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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on January 14, 2012, 03:48:04 PM

Title: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/11/19
Post by: real chili 83 on January 14, 2012, 03:48:04 PM
I say 17.

Let's use this thread to consolidate the weekly discussion on where MU is ranked each Monday in 2011-12.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Norm on January 14, 2012, 03:51:44 PM
24-25
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 14, 2012, 03:53:13 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Clam Crowder on January 14, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your in March do the rankings.

+1

Its completely irrelevant that were ranked right now, we may not even have what qualifies as a quality win yet. Madison will become on (hopefully) when they get their act together as they always do, but right now our next best win is Washington...
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
#1

Because Marquette will always be number one in my heart.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: lab_warrior on January 14, 2012, 04:33:57 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your in March do the rankings.


+1

This has been my stance for years.  Thank God college basketball is NOWHERE NEAR the clusterf*** that college football is. 
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 4everCrean on January 14, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
#1

Because Marquette will always be number one in my heart.

Aww...  This comment was so great, I immediately, involuntarily showed my support for MU by tossing my cookies just like Junior.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: DrDestiny911 on January 14, 2012, 05:03:03 PM
Why do people hate on others who are interested in the rankings? I realize it is all relative but it is a cool way to look at what the perception is about MU as well as how we'd match up against other ranked teams. If you don't care about the rankings why post on this thread.

Anyways, I'll step off the soapbox and say 23-24 is our ranking.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: augoman on January 14, 2012, 05:42:39 PM
higher than we deserve.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 79Warrior on January 14, 2012, 05:48:21 PM

If we can beat UL on Monday I will be fine if we are unranked!!! Beating UL way more important than our ranking.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 14, 2012, 06:20:02 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.

-1

If you do not live in Milwaukee then a ranking means highlights on ESPN and it's better for recruiting.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 14, 2012, 06:27:57 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.

thanks, coach.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 14, 2012, 06:29:14 PM
thanks, coach.

You got it, chief.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Avenue Commons on January 14, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.

College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 14, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

aina?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 14, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

+1, good post.

Being ranked is the most important thing a team can do before the tourney.  To say it does not matter means the poster doesn't know what they are talk about.

Consider this

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/01/13/bloomberg_articlesLXR71A0YHQ0X01-LXR9Q.DTL

Stanford University received an estimated 36,744 applications for freshman admission -- a record -- as the school's athletics success drummed up attention. ... Stanford, near Palo Alto, California, admitted 7.1 percent of its applicants for the 2011-2012 academic year. Admissions officials had speculated that the tough competition to win a seat combined with reinstated early acceptance programs at Harvard University and Princeton University might have deterred some students from applying to Stanford, Patterson said today in an interview.  "It's a little more than we anticipated," Patterson said. "Stanford did very well in football and Andrew Luck was a leader for the university."  Luck, the Stanford Cardinals quarterback and a two-time Heisman Trophy runner-up, is considered a top National Football League prospect.

---

In my book Stanford is the number 1 academic school in the country and being ranked in football mattered A LOT to them.  More so then their bowl game (which they lost).

So, again, please stop embarrassing yourself by saying being ranked does not matter.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: wiscwarrior on January 14, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
higher than we deserve.

So, Augie... what do you think we deserve
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 14, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.


Ya, what he said. 

Chief, lighten up. Everyone knows that polls aren't accurate.  But, they do count.

Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: MUMac on January 14, 2012, 08:24:34 PM
higher than we deserve.
and lower than we desire.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 14, 2012, 08:27:47 PM
Orwell,
Harvard, Yale, and Princeton would disagree with you.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on January 14, 2012, 08:36:15 PM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

Couldnt agree more. Valid points. MU should be ranked 20 with a win Monday.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: MUMac on January 14, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Orville, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton would disagree with you.

You might want to ditch your shovel ...
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 14, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
Everyone knows that polls aren't accurate.  But, they do count.

+1

Polls are inaccurate and unfair but they do matter.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: LastWarrior on January 14, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.

Agreed!  Seriously moderators... can we stop these stupid threads from popping up each week?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 15, 2012, 12:59:12 AM
24
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: bilsu on January 15, 2012, 01:06:40 AM
Who cares? Why does anyone think this is important? Let your play in March do the rankings.
It effects ESPN coverage.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2012, 07:05:13 AM
Aww...  This comment was so great, I immediately, involuntarily showed my support for MU by tossing my cookies just like Junior.

The reason I went with the hyperbole is just because these threads are getting really repetitive. Maybe we should have one "Marquette Ranking" thread in which people can discuss where they think we'll be ranked and where we are ranked on Mondays when the polls come out. Right now, we're seeing 2-3 threads every week about "Where will we be ranked", followed by "AP has MU at XX" and "Coaches Poll -- Marquette #XX". Becoming more than a little bit of a broken record.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2012, 07:29:32 AM
Harvard, Yale, and Princeton would disagree with you.

Yes they would disagree ... and they would be wrong.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2012, 07:41:48 AM
The reason I went with the hyperbole is just because these threads are getting really repetitive. Maybe we should have one "Marquette Ranking" thread in which people can discuss where they think we'll be ranked and where we are ranked on Mondays when the polls come out. Right now, we're seeing 2-3 threads every week about "Where will we be ranked", followed by "AP has MU at XX" and "Coaches Poll -- Marquette #XX". Becoming more than a little bit of a broken record.

Disagree.  Every week should have its own thread for both the ranking and out come. 

No one is forcing you to read them.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2012, 07:52:23 AM
Disagree.  Every week should have its own thread for both the ranking and out come. 

No one is forcing you to read them.

Why?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 15, 2012, 07:54:59 AM
Why?

At the same time, let's do the same for threads on Vander.....either ban them completely, or limit them to one loooooong thread.  :)
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2012, 08:05:17 AM
At the same time, let's do the same for threads on Vander.....either ban them completely, or limit them to one loooooong thread.  :)

I'm honestly asking. What's wrong with one thread? Is it the lack of maturity in posters? The fear of it going off topic? Change the title every week to indicate the current ranking and to promote relevant discussion. The Scout Insider board has one thread that is a catch-all for recruiting tidbits. It's probably around 800+ posts long, but always stays on topic. Just make sure your settings have the maximum posts per page and go to the last page of the thread for current discussion. You can do that directly from the Hangin' board, so why is it a problem?

It really seems like people have a need to start threads for some form of online self-validation. It's not just here, it's all over the Internet. On the Scout free board, I'm pretty sure that the only form of self-validation MuggsyB ever gets is starting threads, because he'll start them on anything, from Vander Blue, to Jimmy Butler, to LeBron James, to what type of berries he likes to put in his breakfast cereal.

One large thread, possibly incorporating the votes of the media involved (similar to how Enlund does) to further encourage discussion seems like a far more engaging and enjoyable prospect. Every week you can use the one thread to look at the voting trends, see which writers like and dislike Marquette, even post up all their Twitter handles so we know who to spam with #mubb posts on a weekly basis.

It's just a lot easier for users to have one thread where they know a certain topic is being discussed. And as for your point with Vander threads (or any others, for that matter), I mostly agree. When I start a thread, I usually do a search first to make sure there isn't a relevant thread already in existence where I can continue discussion rather than starting another discussion we've already had 18 gazillion times.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 15, 2012, 08:07:47 AM
Works for me.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
I'm honestly asking. What's wrong with one thread? Is it the lack of maturity in posters? The fear of it going off topic? Change the title every week to indicate the current ranking and to promote relevant discussion. The Scout Insider board has one thread that is a catch-all for recruiting tidbits. It's probably around 800+ posts long, but always stays on topic. Just make sure your settings have the maximum posts per page and go to the last page of the thread for current discussion. You can do that directly from the Hangin' board, so why is it a problem?

It really seems like people have a need to start threads for some form of online self-validation. It's not just here, it's all over the Internet. On the Scout free board, I'm pretty sure that the only form of self-validation MuggsyB ever gets is starting threads, because he'll start them on anything, from Vander Blue, to Jimmy Butler, to LeBron James, to what type of berries he likes to put in his breakfast cereal.

One large thread, possibly incorporating the votes of the media involved (similar to how Enlund does) to further encourage discussion seems like a far more engaging and enjoyable prospect. Every week you can use the one thread to look at the voting trends, see which writers like and dislike Marquette, even post up all their Twitter handles so we know who to spam with #mubb posts on a weekly basis.

It's just a lot easier for users to have one thread where they know a certain topic is being discussed. And as for your point with Vander threads (or any others, for that matter), I mostly agree. When I start a thread, I usually do a search first to make sure there isn't a relevant thread already in existence where I can continue discussion rather than starting another discussion we've already had 18 gazillion times.

Yes to all ...

I've been here long enough to know I rarely read past the second page because it always off topic. 

I think each week's discussion is unique to itself.  Besides I'm the one that often starts a poll for each week.  How would a poll work?

Why the phobia about threads?  The mods can combine them if more than one start for the same week.

It isn't broke so do not fix it.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
We don't need a poll each week. This thread doesn't have a poll. And because it's a fluid topic, it doesn't matter if it gets off-topic, because every Monday there's a new discussion to be had. And if half the posters each week are complaining about the endless litany of threads, clearly it IS broken.

I don't have a phobia of threads, but why keep making new ones if they aren't necessary, and by the same token, why the obsession with making new threads? Just saying that if there are viable alternatives and half the posts in these threads are either facetious or denigrate the nature of the thread, maybe it's time to explore other options.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
We don't need a poll each week. This thread doesn't have a poll. And because it's a fluid topic, it doesn't matter if it gets off-topic, because every Monday there's a new discussion to be had. And if half the posters each week are complaining about the endless litany of threads, clearly it IS broken.

I don't have a phobia of threads, but why keep making new ones if they aren't necessary, and by the same token, why the obsession with making new threads? Just saying that if there are viable alternatives and half the posts in these threads are either facetious or denigrate the nature of the thread, maybe it's time to explore other options.

You don't think we need a poll every week.  I think they are worthwhile most weeks.

So, problem solved ... I will do polls most weeks and you can ignore them.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 15, 2012, 11:59:15 AM
For coverage purposes all that matters is that we stay ranked.

Our actual ranking doesn't matter at all.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: augoman on January 15, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
So, Augie... what do you think we deserve

hard to say with any certainty..., but the way we've been playing my gut says towards bottom of top 30 or so. 
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: wiscwarrior on January 15, 2012, 12:21:14 PM
hard to say with any certainty..., but the way we've been playing my gut says towards bottom of top 30 or so. 

Can you name 25 teams that deserve to be ranked above us?  :)
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: augoman on January 15, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
probably, but not going to.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2012, 12:55:48 PM
This team deserves to be ranked between 15 and 25. Have we played better than that; yes. Have we played worse than that; yes. This team plays better with a chip on its shoulder than it does with a bulls eye on its chest.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 15, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
This thread is hilarious. Who gives a rats ass if some posters want to talk about what MU will be ranked? I personally like talking about it, and I know several other posters do as well. Leave the moderating to the moderators. 

With that said, I think MU will be ranked between 21-23. It has been a tough week for the top 25. I think Michigan and Louisville will fall considerably...maybe even behind us. Gonzaga and Seton Hall will likely drop out of the top 25, and K State will fall back close to 25 with two straight loses. I also think Vandy, St Mary's and West Virginia could climb into the top 25. So yeah, 22 or 23 sounds about right.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 15, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
Parrish/Goodman have MU at 21 and Seth Davis has MU at 19 in their new polls.

Parrish/Goodman Top 25 (and one):

1.Syracuse (19-0)
2. Kentucky (17-1)
3. Baylor (17-0)
4. Duke (15-2)
5. Missouri (16-1)
6. Ohio State (16-3)
7. North Carolina (15-3)
8. Michigan State (15-3)
9. Kansas (14-3)
10. Indiana (15-3)
11.Creighton (16-2)
12. San Diego State (15-2)
13. UNLV (16-3)
14. Georgetown (14-3)
15. Virginia (14-2)
16. Kansas State (14-4)
17. Mississippi State (15-3)
18. Illinois (15-3)
19. Michigan (14-4)
20. Murray State (18-0)
21. Marquette (14-4)
22. Wisconsin (14-5)
23. Seton Hall (15-3)
24. Connecticut (14-3)
25. Alabama (13-4)
26. West Virginia (13-5)

Davis Top 25:
1. Syr 2. UK 3. Baylor 4. Ohio St 5. Duke 6. Mich St 7. Mizzou 8. KU 9. UNC 10. Indiana 11. Gtown 12. UNLV 13. Mich 14. Murray St 15. UVa 16. Fla 17. Miss St 18. UConn 19. Marq 20. West Va 21. St. Mary's 22. Gonz 23. SDSt 24. Illinois 25. Creighton

Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: PTM on January 15, 2012, 08:38:26 PM
Parrish and Goodman loving Illinois WAY to much.
Title: 23 in AP and stay at 24 in ESPN
Post by: bamamarquettefan on January 15, 2012, 08:46:49 PM
23/24 - maybe move up two in AP and stay the same in ESPN

We have 2/3 teams we could pass - K-State, Gonzaga and in AP Seton Hall (already head of them in ESPN).  So that puts us up to 22 in both polls if it all happens.

While that could happen, I've got to believe at some point they bump Vandy past us in both polls (2 easy SEC wins and their blowout of us has to factor at some point), and St. Mary's blowout of Gonzaga could put us past them in the AP though they had a lot fewer votes in ESPN.

It's possible none of some of these happen, but on balance it seems almost as many could sneak past us, as we could sneak past.  Let's hope Louisville didn't drop too far so a win against them will look more impressive.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: JTBMU7 on January 15, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
outside of the top 4 teams, there isnt a single team on that list that i wouldnt think MU had a could beat. this years tourney is going to be WIDE open again...
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 15, 2012, 09:32:49 PM
So, the tourney selection will have a soft bubble?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 15, 2012, 09:40:56 PM
I'm honestly asking. What's wrong with one thread?

Dang.  We get paid to moderate by the thread.

Otherwise, yeah.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: RawdogDX on January 16, 2012, 09:39:00 AM
+1

Its completely irrelevant that were ranked right now, we may not even have what qualifies as a quality win yet. Madison will become on (hopefully) when they get their act together as they always do, but right now our next best win is Washington...

-1
If u don't want to talk about MU basketball then dont click on the thread.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: RawdogDX on January 16, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
I'm honestly asking. What's wrong with one thread? Is it the lack of maturity in posters? The fear of it going off topic? Change the title every week to indicate the current ranking and to promote relevant discussion. The Scout Insider board has one thread that is a catch-all for recruiting tidbits. It's probably around 800+ posts long, but always stays on topic. Just make sure your settings have the maximum posts per page and go to the last page of the thread for current discussion. You can do that directly from the Hangin' board, so why is it a problem?

It really seems like people have a need to start threads for some form of online self-validation. It's not just here, it's all over the Internet. On the Scout free board, I'm pretty sure that the only form of self-validation MuggsyB ever gets is starting threads, because he'll start them on anything, from Vander Blue, to Jimmy Butler, to LeBron James, to what type of berries he likes to put in his breakfast cereal.

One large thread, possibly incorporating the votes of the media involved (similar to how Enlund does) to further encourage discussion seems like a far more engaging and enjoyable prospect. Every week you can use the one thread to look at the voting trends, see which writers like and dislike Marquette, even post up all their Twitter handles so we know who to spam with #mubb posts on a weekly basis.

It's just a lot easier for users to have one thread where they know a certain topic is being discussed. And as for your point with Vander threads (or any others, for that matter), I mostly agree. When I start a thread, I usually do a search first to make sure there isn't a relevant thread already in existence where I can continue discussion rather than starting another discussion we've already had 18 gazillion times.
is your need of one thread a sign of senility?
No, it's not easier to have to guess if I should click on page 10 or 11.  I'd rather just click on all.  All the information in one place? No one wants to read your posts from week two of the season. U didn't give me the slightest reason to think this was a good idea, actually your off topic ramblings and attacks show why a long thread would suck.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: 79Warrior on January 16, 2012, 10:29:14 AM
It effects ESPN coverage.

ESPN game schedule is set prior to the season.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 16, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
ESPN game schedule is set prior to the season.
But _does_ effect ESPN's news coverage, which is probably his point.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 16, 2012, 10:37:01 AM
or maybe we can just combine these "where will be ranked" threads with the equally dumb "where lunardi has us seeded" threads in January with exacting detail on potential opponents and possible game venues...


Agreed!  Seriously moderators... can we stop these stupid threads from popping up each week?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012
Post by: real chili 83 on January 16, 2012, 11:19:57 AM
This topic, with a weekly thread, with a date, or one thread that we use throughout the seasaon is fine with me.

If you don't like threads on this topic, simply don't read them.  There are plenty of people, who have chimed in on this thread, who like this topic.

Just like thread's on Vander, or Durley, or whatever the topic is....if you don't like the topic, don't read it. 

If it is a duplicate of another thread, the moderators can take care of it....or you can report it to a moderator.

Geez, get over it. 

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: real chili 83 on January 21, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
I say 19.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 21, 2012, 08:48:04 PM
AP 17 / Coaches 18

+/- 1 on either of those, depends on how bad UConn is punished for losing two to unranked teams.
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Post by: Avenue Commons on January 21, 2012, 08:58:28 PM
19/19
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Post by: PTM on January 21, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
AP 17 / Coaches 18

+/- 1 on either of those, depends on how bad UConn is punished for losing two to unranked teams.

Hopefully as bad as we were punished for losing to two ranked teams on the road.

amiright?
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 21, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
There will be a big shake up in the rankings. I say either 17 or 18 sounds about right. Wouldn't be surprised to see MU a little higher, however,
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Post by: romey on January 21, 2012, 10:36:55 PM
Will pass Michigan and Louisville.  I say 19
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Post by: Avenue Commons on January 21, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
Trust me, it'll be 19/19. Word is bond, son.
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Post by: DCWarriors04 on January 22, 2012, 08:38:30 AM
I think we should be top 15, but we'll probably move up 2 spots. That said, as long as Buzz can keep a chip on the team's shoulder, that's fine by me.
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Post by: LAZER on January 22, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
It'll be interesting to see where UConn and IU fall, I'd imagine they will both take quite a hit.  Miss St will be interesting also after losing to Ole Miss and beating Vandy.
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Post by: PTM on January 22, 2012, 03:08:01 PM
Badger should sneak in this week after taking down Illinois.
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2012, 03:22:52 PM
Badger should sneak in this week after taking down Illinois.

Indeed. Their beatdown of Northwestern was also impressive.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: PTM on January 22, 2012, 03:25:25 PM
Indeed. Their beatdown of Northwestern was also impressive.

Big Ten may be consistently decent, but there's not a single great team.
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Post by: MUMac on January 22, 2012, 03:44:04 PM
Indeed. Their beatdown of Northwestern was also impressive.

Watching Northwestern/Minnesota right now.  They are taking the air out of Bucky's big win over them.  Horrible 1st half for them.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
Big Ten may be consistently decent, but there's not a single great team.

I think tOSU and MSU are really good. After that...there's probably another 5-6 teams that are tourney teams, but I'm not sure any are better than a 6-seed. That conference is really deep, but it isn't particularly good, if that makes sense.

I think that at the top, the Big 12, Big East, and SEC are all better than the Big Ten. Heck, even the ACC is, though it's probably only a 4-bid league.
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Post by: PTM on January 22, 2012, 04:02:21 PM
I think tOSU and MSU are really good. After that...there's probably another 5-6 teams that are tourney teams, but I'm not sure any are better than a 6-seed. That conference is really deep, but it isn't particularly good, if that makes sense.

I think that at the top, the Big 12, Big East, and SEC are all better than the Big Ten. Heck, even the ACC is, though it's probably only a 4-bid league.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: jesmu84 on January 22, 2012, 06:52:01 PM
Marquette 19 in Seth Davis latest.
IU 20
Illinois, UConn Out
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 22, 2012, 07:08:53 PM
Marquette 19 in Seth Davis latest.
IU 20
Illinois, UConn Out

Davis' entire top 25:

1. UK 2. Mizzou 3. Syr 4. KU 5. Ohio St 6. Bay 7. UNC 8. Duke 9. Mich St 10. Gtown 11. UNLV 12. Mich 13. Fla 14. Murray St 15. FlaSt 16. SDSU 17. Miss St 18. Marq 19. Uva 20. Ind 21. West Va 22. Creighton 23. St. Mary's 24. Gonz 25. Cincy

Goodman and Parrish Top 25 (and one):

1.Kentucky (19-1)
2.Missouri (18-1)
3.Syracuse (20-1)
4.Ohio State (17-3)
5.Kansas (16-3)
6.Baylor (17-2)
7.North Carolina (16-3)
8.Duke (16-3)
9.Michigan State (16-4)
10.Creighton (18-2)
11.San Diego State (17-2)
12.UNLV (18-3)
13.Georgetown (16-3)
14.Kansas State (14-4)
15.Indiana (16-4)
16.Murray State (20-0)
17.Virginia (15-3)
18.Mississippi State (16-4)
19.Michigan (15-5)
20.Marquette (16-4)
21.Wisconsin (16-5)
22.West Virginia (15-5)
23.Florida (15-4)
24.Florida State (13-6)
25.Saint Mary's (19-2)
26.Connecticut (14-5)

In: Florida, FL State, SMC

Out: Bama, Seton Hall, ILL

I have to imagine that both would drop Virginia after losing to winless ACC rival Va Tech tonight.

Update: Davis tweeted that he dropped UVA to 19 and moved Florida up to 13. I presume that means MU will be 18 in his poll now...I will update up top.
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Post by: groove on January 22, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
19 sounds about right
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Post by: DCWarriors04 on January 22, 2012, 08:48:22 PM
Will Dukey V finally vote for us this week?
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Post by: MattyWarrior on January 22, 2012, 08:53:49 PM
18 but I really don't care as long as we are top 25
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Post by: 4everCrean on January 22, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Will Dukey V finally vote for us this week?

He'll vote us top ten... just as soon as we flood him with emails insisting that he's a much better analyst than Al ever was.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/2012 ...now 1/23/12
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on January 23, 2012, 12:56:15 AM
After the weekend games I say were 18 in both polls
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Post by: Slim on January 23, 2012, 11:50:06 AM
Spot on Brew 17/18
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 23, 2012, 12:07:01 PM
AP 17 / Coaches 18

Guess no further debate was needed after this post ;D
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 1/30/12
Post by: real chili 83 on January 28, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
I say 16.  Up yers Digger.
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Post by: PTM on January 28, 2012, 03:46:55 PM
15.
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Post by: wardle2wade on January 28, 2012, 04:06:29 PM
I'm going to say 14.  3 straight undefeated weeks will get us noticed.
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Post by: The Process on January 28, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
16 AP / 15 coaches.

At least people aren't "forgetting" to put MU on their ballots anymore, right...?
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Post by: chapman on January 28, 2012, 05:00:18 PM
14.  We'll pass Miss State in coaches, and in both we'll pass Indiana, SDSU, and Georgetown. 

On another poll note, I believe Bracketbusters are announced Monday.  I would drool over a St. Mary's / Murray State matchup.
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Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 28, 2012, 05:25:59 PM
14.  We'll pass Miss State in coaches, and in both we'll pass Indiana, SDSU, and Georgetown. 

On another poll note, I believe Bracketbusters are announced Monday.  I would drool over a St. Mary's / Murray State matchup.

#13 San Diego State just lost too.

MU at #14, I agree.

The "down by 17 (or whatever) to close the game" will convince voters that this team - regardless if it was Nova - is talented and gritty to be a top 15 team...since they almost did it to Cuse.
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Post by: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 05:45:02 PM
i agree #14, though I'm not sure if they will put us in front of Gtown since they beat us.

But clearly we pass Indiana (yeah at WI is tough, but we did it), Miss St and SD State.

Not only was Gtown blown out today, but there last game was a 2-point home win against Rutgers.  I do wonder if some voters go "head-to-head" if teams are close, but the fact that they beat us by 3 at home is probably a 5 point win for us at the Bradley Center, so I think we nudge them.

Looks like our last chance to get to 13th is if Air Force can pull an upset at home vs. UNLV tonight.  Unlikely - 10-point underdog on pomeroy, but I'll hope for that.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 1/30/12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 29, 2012, 06:25:44 AM
UNLV needed overtime to survive Air Force, but survive it they did.

My prediction is #15 AP / #14 Coaches. The question will be how far the Pitt loss drops Georgetown. I think getting 2 Big East wins this week and GT losing their only game will allow us to slip past them.
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Post by: Coleman on January 29, 2012, 10:24:22 AM
UNLV needed overtime to survive Air Force, but survive it they did.

My prediction is #15 AP / #14 Coaches. The question will be how far the Pitt loss drops Georgetown. I think getting 2 Big East wins this week and GT losing their only game will allow us to slip past them.

Agreed. 14-15.

What I really want, is to be a at least a 4 seed, so we are a favorite until the Elite 8. For that to happen I think we need to be ranked 15 or better. I know ranking and seeding aren't directly linked, but that would be a good indicator.
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Post by: wadesworld on January 29, 2012, 10:43:47 AM
Agreed. 14-15.

What I really want, is to be a at least a 4 seed, so we are a favorite until the Elite 8. For that to happen I think we need to be ranked 15 or better. I know ranking and seeding aren't directly linked, but that would be a good indicator.

We would not be the favorite in the Sweet Sixteen (if everything played out according to seed).  We would be facing the #1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen.  I would much rather be a 3 than a 4, and even a 6 over a 4 or 5.
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Post by: JTBMU7 on January 29, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
3 seed is probably the best we can do and what i would hope for.
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 29, 2012, 01:49:19 PM
3 seed is probably the best we can do and what i would hope for.

Far too early to say. Assuming we win what we should win and lose what we should lose, 3 is about right. But what if we only lose 1 more Big East game? What if we don't lose any? It's one measurement, but Pomeroy has us favored in 7/9 remaining games. But UConn looks beatable on the road after what ND did today. And WVU is tough, but certainly not an insurmountable obstacle. If we finish 16-2, and Syracuse drops a couple (should've lost yesterday, still have GT at home, UConn and UL both home and away, and Rutgers away) we could win this league outright. Do that, or finish 14-4 or better in league play and win the Big East tournament (ensuring we are the "hot" team and have a 28-6 record) and we could legitimately get a 1-seed.

I have to think we'll slip up once or twice, and there may still be an unexpected loss in there, but other than Syracuse and Kentucky right now, no one is a lock for the top line. Honestly, pretty much anyone in line from the 3-20 teams in the country (except for Murray State, Creighton and the MWC teams) could get a 1-seed. Last year's bubble was really soft at the bottom. This year, there's massive parity at the top.
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2012, 02:21:12 PM
I think 13/14 sounds about right. I could see UNLV dropping a few spots in the AP Poll but not in the coaches poll. Here is my top 25:

1) Kentucky (21-1)
2) Syracuse (22-1)
3) Ohio State (19-3)
4) UNC (18-3) *Assuming win over Georgia Tech tonight
5) Baylor (19-2)
6) Missouri (19-2)
7) Duke (18-3)
8) Kansas (17-4)
9) Michigan State (17-4)
10) Florida (17-4)
11) Georgetown (16-4)
12) Marquette (18-4)
13) Murray State (21-0) *They'll be higher, but I can't justify it.
14) Creighton (20-2)
15) UNLV (20-3)
16) Virginia (17-3)
17) St. Mary's (21-2)
18) San Diego State (18-3)
19) Mississippi State (17-5)
20) Wisconsin (17-5)
21) Vanderbilt (16-5)
22) Indiana (17-5) *Assuming win over Iowa tonight
23) Florida State (14-6)
24) Louisville (17-5)
25) Gonzaga (17-3) / Harvard (18-2) *Couldn't decide

Others I considered: Michigan, K State, UNCONN

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 1/30/12
Post by: jsglow on January 29, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
I think you've got MU and Georgetown a bit too high.  We'll be behind Murray St., Creighton and UNLV. 
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 1/30/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2012, 03:11:03 PM
I think you've got MU and Georgetown a bit too high.  We'll be behind Murray St., Creighton and UNLV. 

I agree. Although UNLV should drop. They had to go to overtime twice this week against BAD teams.

I bet Murray State, Creighton and UNLV will be ahead of MU in the Coaches Poll, but I could see MU sneaking ahead of one or two of them (definitely not Murray State) in the AP Poll.

Either way, it was more what I think the rankings should be as opposed to what I think they WILL be. I think MU beats Murray State and Creighton 8 out of 10 times, if not more, and UNLV 6 or 7 times out of ten.
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Post by: jsglow on January 29, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
I see what you're saying.  I agree we beat those teams most games.  Of course I'd like another crack at Syracuse for that matter.
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
Parrish/Goodman Top 25 (and one):
1. Kentucky (21-1)
2. Syracuse (22-1)
3. Ohio State (19-3)
4. Missouri (19-2)
5. Baylor (19-2)
6. North Carolina (18-3)
7. Duke (18-3)
8. Michigan State (17-4)
9. Kansas (17-4)
10. Creighton (20-2)
11. UNLV (20-3)
12. Murray State (21-0)
13. San Diego State (18-3)
14. Georgetown (16-4)
15. Virginia (17-3)
16. Marquette (18-4)
17. Wisconsin (17-5)
18. Indiana (17-5)
19. Michigan (16-6)
20. Florida (17-4)
21. Mississippi State (17-5)
22. Saint Mary's (21-2)
23. Kansas State (15-5)
24. Florida State (14-6)
25. Gonzaga (17-3)
26. West Virginia (15-7)

They had MU at 20 last week. I can't believe they only drop SDSU to 13 after getting smoked by Colo State.
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Post by: Hoopaloop on January 29, 2012, 07:14:36 PM
15
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Post by: Daniel on January 29, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
Up opne spot in both
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Seth Davis has MU at 17. His rankings are sort of strange this week:

1. UK 2. Syr 3. Ohio St 4. KU 5. Mizzou 6. Baylor 7. UNC 8. Duke 9. MIch St 10. UNLV 11. Mich 12. Fla 13. Murray St 14. Fla St 15. Gtown 16. Miss St 17. Marq 18. UVa 19. SDSU 20. Wisc 21. Indiana 22. WVa 23. Creighton 24. St. Mary's 25. Gonzaga

Michigan 11...really? Florida State 14...with 6 loses? Mississippi St still ahead of MU? I liked 1-9 and 18-25, but I don't really understand what he did in between.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 1/30/12
Post by: wardle2wade on January 29, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
I accept all wagers that we will move up at least 2 spots in each.  I predict 14 in both polls.

Many voters had us in the 20's, so the losses to those behind us will gain us a lot of votes too... MSU, Mich, KSU, Uconn, WVU, Cincy, and even Illinois.  This is addition to IU, Gtown, and SDSU losing.
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Post by: PTM on January 30, 2012, 11:28:33 AM
15 in the Coaches.
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Post by: PTM on January 30, 2012, 12:05:16 PM
15 in the AP
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Post by: The Process on January 30, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
16 AP / 15 coaches.

Gaaahhhh... soooo close on that :(

At least it's moving up, right?
Title: How consistant are the national rankings?
Post by: denverMU on February 04, 2012, 11:59:58 PM
Syracuse went to ND rated # 1 and lost by 9 pts. The next week they were ranked #3.  MU goes to ND ranked #15 and loses by 19 pts.  I'm guessing we drop more than 2 spots even with at least 3 teams ranked ahead of us losing.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: How consistant are the national rankings?
Post by: RideMyBuycks on February 05, 2012, 02:58:25 AM
21
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Post by: real chili 83 on February 05, 2012, 07:06:11 AM
I say 17.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday, 1/16/12....now 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 05, 2012, 07:47:48 AM
20 or 21
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Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2012, 08:40:42 AM
Given the teams ahead and behind us who lost this past week, 18 to 20-ish seems about right.
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Post by: MattyWarrior on February 05, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
22
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: muguru on February 05, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Is it just me or does MU always seem to be the one team that voters punish more than any other when they lose just one game?? They always seem to drop 4-5+ spots, where as other teams lose, and will only drop a spot or two, regardless of what other ranked teams around them did that week. I will bet anyone that MU will drop more spots losing @ Notre Dame(even though other ranked teams ahead of them and behind them lost), than will UW for losing at home to Ohio State.

I get that Ohio State is #3 in the country, and ND is un ranked, but I also understand ND has beaten 5 ranked teams this year more than any other team in the country, and I also know how hard it is to win at ND, so why don't the voters?? It's not like MU just lost to DuhPaul.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: chapman on February 05, 2012, 09:36:14 AM
I'll go with 19.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2012, 10:50:31 AM
Is it just me or does MU always seem to be the one team that voters punish more than any other when they lose just one game?? They always seem to drop 4-5+ spots, where as other teams lose, and will only drop a spot or two, regardless of what other ranked teams around them did that week. I will bet anyone that MU will drop more spots losing @ Notre Dame(even though other ranked teams ahead of them and behind them lost), than will UW for losing at home to Ohio State.

I get that Ohio State is #3 in the country, and ND is un ranked, but I also understand ND has beaten 5 ranked teams this year more than any other team in the country, and I also know how hard it is to win at ND, so why don't the voters?? It's not like MU just lost to DuhPaul.

Have trouble believing there is an anti-Marquette conspiracy. Sportswriters and coaches just don't think like that.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 05, 2012, 04:13:35 PM
I have a hard time seeing us fall further than 18. #9 Michigan State lost, #11 UNLV lost, #13 Creighton lost, #16 Virginia lost, #19 Wisconsin lost, #20 Indiana lost, #23 Michigan lost, #24 Gonzaga lost, #25 Vandy lost twice.

San Diego State, St. Mary's and Florida State could all jump in front of us, but no way they all do. SDSU would be most likely. Creighton and UNLV have an outside chance of dropping behind us.

I'd say 17 or 18 sounds about right.

Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 05, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
#20 in Goodman and Parrish top 25. Same slot as last week.

#18 in Seth Davis top 25. He has us at 17 last week.

Both polls have ND in at 24.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 06, 2012, 06:20:21 AM
#17 AP / #18 Coaches Poll

Looking below us, in the AP, there are only 2 teams from 16-20 that didn't lose a game, and honestly, I'm not even convinced both SD State and St Mary's will leap us. FSU could make a big move from 21, but I think we don't drop much. In the Coaches, 3 teams from 16-22 went unbeaten, and they are all in the 16-19 range. I could see us dropping 3 spots there, though it's possible we'll stay ahead of one of them.

The positive about this time of year is that teams have built up a solid profile and won't drop far because of one loss. The problem is that if you don't lose, you'll climb slowly for the same reason.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 06, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
MU came in at 19 on the Coaches Poll this morning.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/coaches

Florida State and Mississippi State were ahead by only a few votes a piece.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Mu2323 on February 06, 2012, 11:32:06 AM
Funny but i feel marquette would handle teams 18-12 quite easily.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 06, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
Funny but i feel marquette would handle teams 18-12 quite easily.

I think Michigan State (Draymond Green) and Miss. State (Rinardo Sydney) could give MU fits, but the rest of the teams I think MU would take 8/10. Obviously all assumptions.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Mu2323 on February 06, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
yes i agree but mid majors at 16 -13 just looks odd and murry st at 7. Reminds me of a few years ago when new mexico st grabbed at 3 seed after playing no one and got bounced second round.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 06, 2012, 11:39:14 AM
Murray State is garbage, and should not be ranked higher than 15 out of principle.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: strotty on February 06, 2012, 11:40:00 AM
Marquette drops to No. 18 in the AP Poll. Golden Eagles are No. 19 in the Coaches Poll. #mubb
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: wadesworld on February 06, 2012, 12:08:44 PM
Murray State is garbage, and should not be ranked higher than 15 out of principle.

Agreed.  They're a team that if they had some losses and weren't ranked could pull off a first round upset just because they can be dangerous, but they are not a threat to make even the Sweet 16 in my opinion, unless they get a seriously favorable matchup.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: chapman on February 06, 2012, 12:31:41 PM
I'm hoping St. Mary's destroys them in the BracketBuster. 
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
Funny but i feel marquette would handle teams 18-12 quite easily.

I like your confidence, but we couldn't even beat Villanova, Seton Hall and Washington "quite easily," not to mention the games we've lost.

When we're on, we can beat most teams. When we're not, we can lose to lots and lots of teams. Same can be said of most teams in the country -- including, obviously, Notre Dame.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 06, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
I like your confidence, but we couldn't even beat Villanova, Seton Hall and Washington "quite easily," not to mention the games we've lost.

When we're on, we can beat most teams. When we're not, we can lose to lots and lots of teams. Same can be said of most teams in the country -- including, obviously, Notre Dame.

I see where you're coming from but really, look at the teams from 12-18.

San Diego State- Best wins: Arizona, Cal, UNLV... Loses: Creighton, Baylor, Colorado State

UNLV- Best wins: UNC, ILL...loses: Wichita State, Wisconsin, SDSU, Wyoming...went to overtime against the likes of Boise State, UC Santa Barbara and Air Force.

St. Mary's- Best wins: Webber State, Gonzaga (their schedule SUCKS)...loses: Denver, Baylor

Creighton- (so overrated) Best wins: Iowa, Nebraska, Wichita State...loses: St. Joes, Missouri State, Northern Iowa

Florida State- Has some nice wins...but have lost to Princeton, Harvard and Clemson



I just don't think any of those teams are THAT good.  I am also not sure we are THAT GOOD without Gardner, either.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: marquette09 on February 06, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
Murray State is garbage, and should not be ranked higher than 15 out of principle.

They won every game they played, what else do you want them to do?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: wadesworld on February 07, 2012, 12:43:34 AM
They won every game they played, what else do you want them to do?

I don't know, maybe schedule some half way decent non-conference games?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: rmi210 on February 11, 2012, 04:07:10 PM
Could be as high as 13/15 come Monday
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2012, 04:38:45 PM
Who cares? Good to see them playin' like Warriors. Looks like there's plenty left in the tank and they're no where near shootin' their load.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 11, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
Who cares? Good to see them playin' like Warriors. Looks like there's plenty left in the tank and they're no where near shootin' their load.

I care, 15 is my guess
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MattyWarrior on February 11, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
I don't care, but 15 to 18 because we don't get respect.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 11, 2012, 05:58:53 PM
15
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: AZWarrior on February 11, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Oh, I care.  Being ranked helps with "branding maintenance", which in turn helps in recruiting, which helps our brand, which in turn.....   ;)
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: cheebs09 on February 11, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
Should jump Miss St., Florida State, and Creighton. We may be right behind Sand Diego State. Probably should jump Murray State, but I don't know if the voters would drop them that far.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: chapman on February 11, 2012, 06:25:35 PM
Two convincing wins this week.  Hopefully someone took notice...Buzz on postgame with a bit of a rant on how the team is tired of hearing reasons why they're not good enough.

#18/#19 this week.  Now 21-5.  Teams above us with losses and current records (OSU/MSU will be at least one more team to lose, we shouldn't pass either though):

#5 UNC: vs Duke (21-4)
#6 Baylor: vs Kansas, at Mizzou (21-4)
#8/#7 Florida: at Kentucky, vs. Tennessee (19-6)
#9/#7 Murray State: vs. Tennessee State (23-1)
#12/#11 Georgetown: at Syracuse (18-5)
#13/#14 San Diego State: at UNLV (20-4)
#15/#17 Florida State: at Boston College (17-7)
#16/#13 St. Mary's: at Gonzaga (22-3)
#17/#15 Creighton: Evansville, at Wichita State (21-5)
#20/#18 Mississippi State: vs Georgia (19-6)

The team right behind us in both polls, Virginia, lost to UNC.  We've beaten Wisconsin and Louisville who are also behind us and didn't lose - so ridiculous if anyone leaps us.  

As far as how far we should go up, it looks like 3 spots to #15/#16 is a gimme.  We'll see how much the pollsters penalyze SDSU (one game better than us but with weaker schedule), Murray State (explains itself), and Florida (not expected to win but was embarrassed at UK, then dropped a home game to a bad UT team).  Georgetown also ahead of us; don't think we should pass them after they took Syracuse to overtime on the road.  If we got the respect we deserve for playing really well last week and winning 9 of 10 we should be #12.  If you look at overall resume, overall record, RPI, not having any bad losses, total quality wins, and recent play we should be ahead of Florida, that'll be my judge as to how much attention the pollsters are paying.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 11, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
Using the AP rankings ....

(Bold added later)
#21 Harvard lost to Princeton this week

#20 Miss State lost to Georgia this week
#19 Virginia lost to UNC this week

We are #18

#17 Creighton lost this week to Evansville
#16 Saint Mary's lost this week for Gonzaga
#15 Fla State lost this week to Boston College
#13 San Deigo State lost to #14 UNLV this week.
#12 Georgetown lost to Syracuse this week.

Lots of teams around us lost this week.  Yes some lost to better ranked teams but the fact is they lost this week while we we won twice.  So, the door is open for a big jump in our rankings.  That is how it works. 

Originally I said #15 next week.  I still think that is the case but if its wrong, we will be ranked better than that.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 11, 2012, 09:51:24 PM
Prior posts covered it pretty well. I say 14...but wouldn't be surprised to see MU as high as 12. Lots of losers this week.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 12, 2012, 06:29:50 AM
14 AP Poll / 14 Coaches Poll

Though it's possible we could climb higher if Florida or Murray State get heavily penalized for their losses. I could see Murray State dropping as many as 10 spots, and Florida dropping 5 for two losses (including a bad one at home) wouldn't be that much of a surprise. Honestly, 12/12 is possible, though I'm sticking with the more realistic 14/14.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: jsglow on February 12, 2012, 11:51:39 AM
I'll say #12. That was a clinic yesterday against a borderline NCAA team.  Florida and Murray St. will get penalized. We slide past the 4 right ahead of us by virtue of their single game losses this week. Georgetown appropriately stays ahead of us and the Domers jump in at #21.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 12, 2012, 06:03:23 PM
Seth Davis Top 25:

1. UK 2. Syr 3. Mizzou 4. Kansas 5. Mich St 6. Ohio St 7. Duke 8. UNC 9. Baylor 10. UNLV 11. Gtown 12. Marq 13. Mich 14. SDSU 15. Fla 16. Murray St 17. Fla St 18. UVa 19. Wisc 20. Indiana 21. ND 22. Wich St 23. St. Mary's 24. Temple 25. VCU

Dropped Out: Creighton and Miss. State

Also considered: George Mason, Nevada, Iowa St, Weber St, Louisville

He had MU at 18 last week.

Goodman/Parrish Top 25(and one):

1.Kentucky (25-1)
2.Syracuse (25-1)
3.Missouri (23-2)
4.Duke (21-4)
5.Michigan State (20-5)
6.Ohio State (21-4)
7.North Carolina (21-4)
8.Kansas (20-5)
9.Baylor (21-4)
10.Georgetown (19-5)
11.Wisconsin (19-6)
12.UNLV (22-4)
13.Michigan (19-7)
14.Marquette (21-5)
15.Indiana (19-6)
16.Virginia (19-5)
17.San Diego State (20-4)
18.Notre Dame (17-8)
19.Louisville (20-5)
20.Florida (19-6)
21.Murray State (24-1)
22.Florida State (17-7)
23.Saint Mary's (23-3)
24.Gonzaga (20-4)
25.Wichita State (22-4)
26.Temple (19-5)
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: chapman on February 12, 2012, 06:58:48 PM
Davis' list looks pretty good.  But I really think he has to get Louisville in there with the way they're playing lately.  Parrish continues to have us a couple spots below where we belong, as has been the trend all year.  ANd his nuthugging of Bo is just pathetic...does anybody believe UW is the 11th best team in the country even with their recent win streak?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MattyWarrior on February 12, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
We should be #11,not UW. We never get the love and neither does Buzz.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 12, 2012, 07:14:51 PM
Davis' list looks pretty good.  But I really think he has to get Louisville in there with the way they're playing lately.  

I agree. I would put Louisville in at 22 and Gonzaga at 23. So Wichita State at 24 and St. Mary's at 25. Other than that I think Davis' list is spot on.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: bamamarquettefan on February 13, 2012, 12:12:31 AM
Seth Davis Top 25:

1. UK 2. Syr 3. Mizzou 4. Kansas 5. Mich St 6. Ohio St 7. Duke 8. UNC 9. Baylor 10. UNLV 11. Gtown 12. Marq 13. Mich 14. SDSU 15. Fla 16. Murray St 17. Fla St 18. UVa 19. Wisc 20. Indiana 21. ND 22. Wich St 23. St. Mary's 24. Temple 25. VCU

Dropped Out: Creighton and Miss. State

Also considered: George Mason, Nevada, Iowa St, Weber St, Louisville

He had MU at 18 last week.

Goodman/Parrish Top 25(and one):

1.Kentucky (25-1)
2.Syracuse (25-1)
3.Missouri (23-2)
4.Duke (21-4)
5.Michigan State (20-5)
6.Ohio State (21-4)
7.North Carolina (21-4)
8.Kansas (20-5)
9.Baylor (21-4)
10.Georgetown (19-5)
11.Wisconsin (19-6)
12.UNLV (22-4)
13.Michigan (19-7)
14.Marquette (21-5)
15.Indiana (19-6)
16.Virginia (19-5)
17.San Diego State (20-4)
18.Notre Dame (17-8)
19.Louisville (20-5)
20.Florida (19-6)
21.Murray State (24-1)
22.Florida State (17-7)
23.Saint Mary's (23-3)
24.Gonzaga (20-4)
25.Wichita State (22-4)
26.Temple (19-5)

Key to both those lists is what Brew was hoping - Murray State and Florida both pummeling.  If that is true on a lot of ballots, then 12/12 is even possible.

I do think it's important for exposure, because ESPN doesn't always have time to go to No. 19 for highlights.

Shoot, our newspaper in Auburn had their top 25 round up today and only had room to go through #17, so we got left off.

Certainly at least 15, Brew probably still right at 14, but 12 not impossible.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Skitch on February 13, 2012, 12:20:11 AM
I think 13.  Florida gets penalized enough and I wouldn't be surprised to see Murray State down as far as 18-20
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MU_LOL on February 13, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
ANd his nuthugging of Bo is just pathetic...does anybody believe UW is the 11th best team in the country even with their recent win streak?
This irks me to no end... Yeah, I'll give 'em that the Big Ten is pretty good, but it bothers me mostly that they're Wisconsin Badgers. (And we beat them in their house.)
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: ringout on February 13, 2012, 10:35:18 AM
It's clear that Seth Davis is a better pollster.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 13, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
Parrish and Goodman both are huge Buzz/Marquette fans, they're rankings are very fair.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: strotty on February 13, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
Marquette is No. 13 in this week's Coaches Poll.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 13, 2012, 11:21:06 AM
Jumped murray state but not florida (by two votes 388-386).  Just keep winning baby!
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Windyplayer on February 13, 2012, 11:40:28 AM
Jumped murray state but not florida (by two votes 388-386).  Just keep winning baby!
Jumping up six spots in a week...not bad.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Canadian Dimes on February 13, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
im gonna go with 13th
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: CAGASS24 on February 13, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
yeah but not jumping florida is a bit odd - 19-6 with two straight losses - one to tennessee - but great jump - lets back it up with a win at UCONN, a team desperate
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: strotty on February 13, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
Marquette is ranked No. 12 in the AP Poll and No. 13 in the Coaches Poll.

Apparently people took notice of the Cincy trashing.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 13, 2012, 12:36:47 PM
Well, that and a whole bunch of teams ahead of MU lost.  But I would agree that we have the attention of the national media on some level by winning 9 of 10.  Need to keep it going as we are in line for a 3 seed in the tourney if we finish strong.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Canadian Dimes on February 13, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
apparently dont have the attention of Dana Oneill
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: chapman on February 13, 2012, 02:02:52 PM
yeah but not jumping florida is a bit odd - 19-6 with two straight losses - one to tennessee - but great jump - lets back it up with a win at UCONN, a team desperate

Agree, everything is peaches except it should be #12/#12.  The coaches are dumb, Florida should NOT be ahead of us.  21-5 (10-3) vs. 19-6 (7-3).  RPI of 12 vs. 26.  10-5 against top 100 vs. 7-3 top 100....but our worst loss is #75 LSU, Florida has lost to #110 Tennessee twice and #153 Rutgers.  Our SOS is better than theirs in non-conference, conference, and total.  Recent play of 9-1 in last 10 and impressive week last week vs. 7-3 last 10 including looking pathetic against Kentucky and almost as bad at home against Tennessee last week.  Also, with how we're playing now we would destroy them.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on February 15, 2012, 07:54:58 AM
A lot of ball to be played this week, but opportunity to move up a spot if we take care of business with UNLV (#11) losing at TCU (in OT, with UNLV blowing an 18 point lead).
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MUWarrior11 on February 16, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
ESPN Power Rankings came out today, we came in at 11th.  (More surprisingly, it was a full ESPN article that didn't mention Jeremy Lin). Though rankings are meaningless, I think they reveal something worth noting.

Look at the teams above us: Kentucky, Syracuse, Mizzou, KU, Ohio St., Mich St., UNC, Duke, Georgetown, Baylor. Those are almost all powerhouses, perennial heavyweights in the college basketball world. Eight of those teams have won national titles, and the other two are having dream seasons.

My point is simply to realize the company we are in.  It's mid-Feb. and the only teams ranked above us are top class programs that bring in 4 and 5 star recruits year after year (minus Mizzou and Baylor). Kudos to Buzz, team, staff and the program.

Incidently, I think 8-10 is the highest MU can be ranked all year. I could see us passing Baylor or Gtown, but voters aren't ready to rank a five-loss Marquette team above any of those other names, even if those teams lose more.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2012, 01:12:02 PM
Can we move up this week?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MattyWarrior on February 18, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
I think we're a ten
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: VwArrior1 on February 18, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
Can we move up this week?
UNLV lost this week and I imagine we would jump Florida in the poll we are ranked 13th.  Other teams we could jump if they lose today would be Baylor, Georgetown, and maybe UNC.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: wardle2wade on February 18, 2012, 01:42:11 PM
Count me in for a 10.

In the espn poll, there's only 90 votes from the 9th to 13th, so it's a logjam. Besides picking up all of the UNLV votes, we're going to gain a lot of believers with this big road win on espn. 
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 18, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
If Baylor loses today, we'll be 10. If they don't, we'll be 11.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 18, 2012, 02:41:37 PM
The Bears go down. 10 for sure.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: wardle2wade on February 18, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
If Baylor loses today, we'll be 10. If they don't, we'll be 11.

And down Baylor goes... this loss has will be huge for MU's seeding if we continue our winning ways.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 18, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
A very legitimate 10.
Title: Rankings?!
Post by: JD on February 18, 2012, 02:53:03 PM
So UNLV got blown out by 20, Baylor lost to KSU, that's two teams who are currently ahead of Marquette that lost.

Top 10 next week?
Title: Re: Rankings?!
Post by: copious1218 on February 18, 2012, 02:53:54 PM
yes.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: pux90mex on February 18, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
A very legitimate 10.

I don't know, Jimmy Dykes said we didn't look like a top-15 team.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 18, 2012, 03:00:10 PM
we will be ranked the opposite of whatever Digger thinks
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 18, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
I don't know, Jimmy Dykes said we didn't look like a top-15 team.

I agree. We don't look like one.

But we can definitely play like one.

I say #11.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: RideMyBuycks on February 18, 2012, 03:05:09 PM
Bay-bay went down. #10
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2012, 04:08:57 PM
I don't know, Jimmy Dykes said we didn't look like a top-15 team.


I'd rather know what Chicos is figurin'.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2012, 04:15:06 PM

I'd rather know what Chicos is figurin'.

The world according to Chicos ...  you can't judge a coach until he gets his own players.  Otule was recruited while Crean was the head coach.  So what is happening on the court should be credited to Crean is the jury is still out on Buzz.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: dgies9156 on February 18, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
8 to 10

It's like old times again

GO WARRIORS

Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 18, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
Definitely top ten - when were we last there?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
I think Buzz's first year in 2008, unless I'm missing a more recent one. Probably right before we lost the USF game or going into the UCONN game at home. I want to say we were 8th.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
Definitely top ten - when were we last there?

Um ... 8 weeks ago right before the LSU loss we were #10.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2012/week/7/seasontype/2

How soon we forget!
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
Wow, totally forgot about that. For some reason I thought we were ranked number 12 going into LSU.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
Wow, totally forgot about that. For some reason I thought we were ranked number 12 going into LSU.

Now if the question is when were we last top 10 after February 1, the answer, is 2009, Buzz's first season when we started 9 - 0 in the BE.  Were got as high as #8 on four different weeks.  Here is the first.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2009/week/12/seasontype/2

We also hit #10 in 2008 (Crean's last year)

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2008/week/9/seasontype/2

and #8 2003.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2003/week/17/seasontype/2

Higher than #8 in the regular season, you have to go back to the 1970s (post season we were #4 in 2003).
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: rmi210 on February 19, 2012, 10:58:33 AM
10/11
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Goose on February 19, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
I think we crack Top 10 this week. My guess is #9
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 19, 2012, 02:02:18 PM
10/10
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: bamamarquettefan on February 19, 2012, 02:49:36 PM
It looks like 10/11 unless they would drop Ohio State all the way below us for the loss at Michigan.  Honestly, that would be pretty harsh since you never expect to win a road game against a ranked team, but perhaps combined with the fact that they didn't look good the previous week and we looked so good on national TV.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 19, 2012, 02:53:06 PM
Wow, good one 'nother. Missed that.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 19, 2012, 03:02:16 PM
 we land at 10
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 19, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
I think we land at 10/10. Pass by Baylor and UNLV in both, and our impressive win at UConn let's us slide past Florida (only 2 points back) in the coaches poll as well.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Coleman on February 19, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
What are our chances of leapfrogging Ohio St.?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 19, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Parrish/Goodman are jacking Marquette around at #12 this week.

They historically have ranked Marquette 2-3 spots lower than were Marquette lands, so #10 is looking good.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MU B2002 on February 19, 2012, 07:51:13 PM
What are our chances of leapfrogging Ohio St.?

Slim to none.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 19, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Slim to none.

I'd say more like one out of a million
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: ringout on February 19, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
I don't know, Jimmy Dykes said we didn't look like a top-15 team.

Who is Jimmy Dykes?  Should I feel dumb not knowing?  If so, I am feeling dumb.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 19, 2012, 08:21:51 PM
Seth Davis has Marquette at #10.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 07:57:31 AM
Who is Jimmy Dykes?  Should I feel dumb not knowing?  If so, I am feeling dumb.
An ESPN announcer.  He said that earlier this year during a game he called.  Might have been after the LSU or Norfolk State game.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 20, 2012, 07:59:25 AM
He said it during the Vandy drubbing.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
Thanks.  I have compartmentalized that game to a part of my brain I try not to use.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2012, 08:38:48 AM
We didn't look like a top-215 team against Vandy. That game might as well have been another century ago.

I'm sure if you asked Dykes today, he might say we've become a pretty nice team.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 20, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
I'd say more like one out of a million
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Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: PTM on February 20, 2012, 09:50:55 AM
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Thank you.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: muzzwilliams on February 20, 2012, 10:20:45 AM
I would love to see us at the 8 spot but realistically we'll be number 10.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Windyplayer on February 20, 2012, 11:32:29 AM
We're #10 in the USA Today/ESPN poll!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/usatpoll.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/usatpoll.htm)
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
For a bad little conference, 3 in the Top 10, 5 in the Top 20.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 20, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
That is a good indicator that we will be at least 10 in the AP poll. We were 12 in AP and 13 in the Coaches Poll last week.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: kmwtrucks on February 20, 2012, 11:53:07 AM
If you look at the 9 teams in front of us.  Outside of Mizz and maybe Gtown.  Those are some power programs. I think everybody would rate Kansas, Duke, NC, and Kent top 5 all time and many would rate Cuse, OS, and MSU top 10 all time.  Georgetown probably top 15.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/6/12
Post by: Warriors10 on February 20, 2012, 11:55:41 AM
Indiana is still ranked...
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 25, 2012, 09:21:34 AM
I say 8.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 25, 2012, 09:26:26 AM
We could pass Mizzou and Ohio St. if they lose this weekend.  So max of seven, probably.  Right now we'd move up one spot to 9, pending the weekend results.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 25, 2012, 08:45:42 PM
We could pass Mizzou and Ohio St. if they lose this weekend.  So max of seven, probably.  Right now we'd move up one spot to 9, pending the weekend results.

Could end up 7th if the Badgers get lucky against OSU.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: hairy worthen on February 25, 2012, 08:48:01 PM
Could end up 7th if the Badgers get lucky against OSU.

It made me throw up in my mouth a little
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 25, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
I think we will pass Mizzou and GT...not sure of Mizzou, though. Unranked loss at home and blowing a 19-point road lead says to me they should be below us, don't know if the voters will agree. If tOSU loses tomorrow, I say 7/7. If not, 8/8. Also a positive is that Florida and Michigan lost, so no chance we get leapt. UM losing also helps us on the S-Curve.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: bilsu on February 25, 2012, 10:23:54 PM
Mizzou might fall, because they lost a game earlier in the week. However, if you are ranked 3 and lose on the road to the number 2 team by one in overtime, you would think you would not fall at all based on that game. Of course that is not how the polls work.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 25, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
Yeah, I dunno about Mizzou falling below us. I'd say they fall to 8 at the worst. If OSU loses tomorrow, we got a shot at 8th. But I think we will end up at 9, which is damn good.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 26, 2012, 07:04:24 AM
might fall, because they lost a game earlier in the week. However, if you are ranked 3 and lose on the road to the number 2 team by one in overtime, you would think you would not fall at all based on that game. Of course that is not how the polls work.

They won't fall based on it, but it won't help them, either, and it does make for 2 losses in a week. Normally, that loss drops them 1 spot (behind KU) but when coupled with another loss could drop them further.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 26, 2012, 09:23:37 AM
They won't fall based on it, but it won't help them, either, and it does make for 2 losses in a week. Normally, that loss drops them 1 spot (behind KU) but when coupled with another loss could drop them further.

especially when they choked away a 19 point lead.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 26, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Looks like we have a legitimate shot at 8 with Osu loss. 
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: National Champs on February 26, 2012, 05:42:12 PM
Looks like we have a legitimate shot at 8 with Osu loss. 
The two teams in front of us lost. I would say we are a lock for 8. It is just a matter of how far Mizzou slips after two losses.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: The Process on February 26, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
I say we're 8th in both polls.

Unless of course we're "accidentally" left off of people's ballots again...
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 26, 2012, 09:05:47 PM
Seth Davis has MU at 8 and Goodman/Parrish have MU at 9 in this weeks poll.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 09:53:47 AM
Seth Davis has MU at 8 and Goodman/Parrish have MU at 9 in this weeks poll.

And have Baylor ahead of us  ?-(

For all the complaining they do about other people's brackets, their own can be pretty senseless at times.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 10:17:25 AM
And have Baylor ahead of us  ?-(

For all the complaining they do about other people's brackets, their own can be pretty senseless at times.

Well, they've only lost to Mizzou, Kansas and kansas st.  Their RPI is 8, SOS 14, are 7-5 against the top 50 and have a road/neutral record of 11-2.  I don't agree they should be ahead of us based on recent results, but I really don't have a problem with someone having them ranked ahead of us based on the numbers I just cited.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Well, they've only lost to Mizzou, Kansas and kansas st.  Their RPI is 8, SOS 14, are 7-5 against the top 50 and have a road/neutral record of 11-2.  I don't agree they should be ahead of us based on recent results, but I really don't have a problem with someone having them ranked ahead of us based on the numbers I just cited.

They also haven't beaten the level of competition we have. We have three wins better than their best win. They've lost 3 of their last 6. Baylor is a team who's rankings are based almost entirely on their red-hot start, even though the best teams they played in that stretch are St. Mary's and BYU, neither of whom are great teams.

A month ago, I agree Baylor deserved this kind of ranking. Even after the KU and Mizzou initial losses. But now? Ehh...don't see it. Especially from the guys who chastised another voter for putting Wisconsin ahead of Marquette.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 10:49:06 AM
They also beat San Diego St.  As I said, I would agree that based on recent results, MU should be ahead of Baylor.  But it is in no way an egregious error placing them ahead of us.  A strong argument can be made for that.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: strotty on February 27, 2012, 11:34:34 AM
7th in the Coaches Poll. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
7th in the Coaches Poll. Unbelievable.

Where are you seeing this...ESPN still has last week's poll up.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on February 27, 2012, 11:40:34 AM
cbssports
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: w0bbie on February 27, 2012, 11:40:51 AM
Where are you seeing this...ESPN still has last week's poll up.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/coaches
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: kira67 on February 27, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
8th in the AP.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 27, 2012, 11:42:09 AM
Wow, actually made it to #7.  So obligatory question: when was the last time we were ranked that high in either poll?
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
Where are you seeing this...ESPN still has last week's poll up.

ESPN has a story up but hasn't updated their rankings page yet...
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: LAZER on February 27, 2012, 11:47:12 AM
OSU@IU and UNC@Duke this week, could move up a couple more spots if we take care of business
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: w0bbie on February 27, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
Wow, actually made it to #7.  So obligatory question: when was the last time we were ranked that high in either poll?

According to the thread about this from a few days ago, we haven't been #7 or higher since 77-78 (not counting the end of season rankings after the FF in 03).  We've been at #8 a few times since then.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 11:48:54 AM
OSU@IU and UNC@Duke this week, could move up a couple more spots if we take care of business

we're already ranked ahead of OSU and IU, so I'm not sure how that game affects us.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 27, 2012, 11:52:54 AM
we're already ranked ahead of OSU and IU, so I'm not sure how that game affects us.

I think he meant OSU/MSU or MSU/IU.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: Warriors10 on February 27, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
We probably won't pass Duke anyways if they lose.  We'd pass UNC though if they lost.

*Assuming we take care of business to finish out the season.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: LAZER on February 27, 2012, 11:56:04 AM
I think he meant OSU/MSU or MSU/IU.
Woops, some sort of a combo there.  Yes MSU@IU and OSU@MSU.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 12:01:18 PM
Wow, actually made it to #7.  So obligatory question: when was the last time we were ranked that high in either poll?

Technically...the last time was 2003. When the final coaches poll came out (after the tournament) we were 6th. Still irritates me that they had Kentucky ahead of us in that poll, despite us destroying them in Minneapolis behind D-Wade's triple-double.
Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/12/12
Post by: real chili 83 on February 27, 2012, 12:12:00 PM
7th  place is huge.  The only other teams ahead  of us are Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, Kansas, MSU and North Carolina.  The rest of the college basketball world wants to be like us.  Pretty cool.....and well deserved.

Now, lets keep it that way.  One game at a time.  

Goose, you said it after the UW game....we got the F***in horses to win it all!!!

Title: Re: What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/27/12
Post by: Goose on February 27, 2012, 12:18:02 PM
Time to take care of business. We have six more weeks of ball ahead of us!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: real chili 83 on March 03, 2012, 03:41:25 PM
I say 8.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 03, 2012, 03:46:47 PM
I say 8.

Probably depends on what OSU does but 8 should be about right. Mizzou will pass us in the 1 poll they were behind us in. Unless they lose to tech.........not happening.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 03, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
I want to know where the "pundits" think we will rank next year.

I know it depends on how we finish, but it's also dependent on who returns.

My feeling is we're unranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: chapman on March 03, 2012, 08:04:52 PM
We should be #8/#8.  If OSU beats MSU I can settle for #9.  Mizzou was only 2 points behind in Coach's and will pass us.  With Scotty C going off and ISU beating Baylor, there is nobody else behind us beside's OSU that has any business being ranked ahead of us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: brewcity77 on March 03, 2012, 11:18:53 PM
We should be #8/#8.  If OSU beats MSU I can settle for #9.  Mizzou was only 2 points behind in Coach's and will pass us.  With Scotty C going off and ISU beating Baylor, there is nobody else behind us beside's OSU that has any business being ranked ahead of us.

+1

As far as next year, I think we start in the 20s but spend most of the year in the teens. Vander, Jamil, and Junior will run the show, Todd and DG will provide a consistent added offensive punch, and our defense will be rock solid.

We'll miss them, how could any program not, but we'll be better than people think. Again.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 03, 2012, 11:49:52 PM
We'll miss them, how could any program not, but we'll be better than people think. Again.

When was the last time MU was overrated in a pre-season poll??? I honestly can't remember, but the vast majority MU is underrated. Better question......when will the voters learn??? It's pretty pitiful.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: wojosdojo on March 04, 2012, 12:34:36 AM
10/10
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: 77fan88warrior on March 04, 2012, 12:36:31 AM
When was the last time MU was overrated in a pre-season poll??? I honestly can't remember, but the vast majority MU is underrated. Better question......when will the voters learn??? It's pretty pitiful.

1978?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: brewcity77 on March 04, 2012, 06:47:46 AM
When was the last time MU was overrated in a pre-season poll??? I honestly can't remember, but the vast majority MU is underrated. Better question......when will the voters learn??? It's pretty pitiful.

We'll definitely be overlooked nationally, but I meant people on here. I don't think next year will be nearly the transition/rebuilding year people are saying.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: MUMac on March 04, 2012, 08:59:00 AM
We'll definitely be overlooked nationally, but I meant people on here. I don't think next year will be nearly the transition/rebuilding year people are saying.
Before this season, as with every season, I was reading how excited some were for the future.  "Next year's team will be awesome".  Then, as the season get's underway, it turn's to "we do not have any leaders.  The Senior(s) need to take over."  As the season progresses, it becomes "How will we replace the Senior(s) next year?  It will be a rebuilding year."  Then over the summer, we hear about how so and so is tearing it up.  Will be the next stud. The merry go round just continues.

I think Buzz doesn't rebuild, he reloads.  I suspect MU will start outside the Top 25 but by mid Dec., will be back in it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 04, 2012, 09:55:26 AM
Before this season, as with every season, I was reading how excited some were for the future.  "Next year's team will be awesome".  Then, as the season get's underway, it turn's to "we do not have any leaders.  The Senior(s) need to take over."  As the season progresses, it becomes "How will we replace the Senior(s) next year?  It will be a rebuilding year."  Then over the summer, we hear about how so and so is tearing it up.  Will be the next stud. The merry go round just continues.

LOL.  That's so true.  I remember people calling out Jae earlier in the year and now it is "where will we get our scoring from next year without Jae?"
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 04, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
10/10

I'm curious how you think we fall to 10? OSU will jump us with their win over MSU, but who else? Baylor lost, we just beat GU, Murray barely escaped TNST, MI and WI each have two more losses than we do.

We'll be 9 and that's assuming everyone gives MSU the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
Parrish/Goodman Top 25 (and one):

   1. Kentucky (30-1)
   2. Syracuse (30-1)
   3. North Carolina (27-4)
   4. Kansas (26-5)
   5. Duke (26-5)
   6. Missouri (27-4)
   7. Ohio State (25-6)
   8. Michigan State (24-7)
   9. Marquette (25-6)
  10. Baylor (25-6)
  11. Georgetown (22-7)
  12. Michigan (23-8)
  13. Wisconsin (23-8)
  14. Murray State (30-1)
  15. Indiana (24-7)
  16. Florida State (21-9)
  17. UNLV (25-7)
  18. Notre Dame (21-10)
  19. Wichita State (27-5)
  20. San Diego State (24-6)
  21. Creighton (28-5)
  22. Louisville (22-9)
  23. Florida (22-9)
  24. Iowa State (22-9)
  25. Temple (24-6)
  26. *Saint Mary's (26-5)/Gonzaga (25-5)

Had MU at 9 last week as well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: Norm on March 04, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
I'll say 10/10 too. Wouldn't be shocked if the voters put Baylor ahead of us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 04, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
Baylor lost at iowa st. Not sure why they would jump us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2012, 09:15:27 PM
I am guessing 8/8. I think Michigan State will fall to 9/9 having lost twice this past week, and losing a significant contributor in Dawson for the rest of the season today.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on March 05, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
#9 in the coaches poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/12/12
Post by: real chili 83 on November 03, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
......when we beat #4 OSU! ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: brewcity77 on November 03, 2012, 11:34:47 AM
Jump up to 21 ;)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/5/12
Post by: MU_LOL on November 03, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
They should give us more points if we beat them ON A BOAT

(http://thehypefactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/im-on-a-boat-2.jpg)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: real chili 83 on November 18, 2012, 10:00:12 AM
After going 2 and 0 last week       ;)

Hoping for a good week in Maui to make this thread relevant

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: brewcity77 on November 18, 2012, 10:03:32 AM
Make it 5-0 and we'll be ranked. 4-1 might be good enough depending on whether that loss comes Tuesday (unranked) or Wednesday (ranked).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 25, 2012, 01:42:36 PM
Anybody have the link for the website that lists each AP writer's top 25? I seem to remember something like that from the end of last year, but I can't seem to find it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: real chili 83 on November 25, 2012, 01:50:17 PM
Anybody have the link for the website that lists each AP writer's top 25? I seem to remember something like that from the end of last year, but I can't seem to find it.

You can find it on the cnnsi web site.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: spartan3186 on November 25, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
Anybody have the link for the website that lists each AP writer's top 25? I seem to remember something like that from the end of last year, but I can't seem to find it.

http://www.pollspeak.com/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 25, 2012, 01:54:04 PM
Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 25, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
I will go ahead and give my top 25 following Feast Week. This assumes UCONN, Indiana, Gonzaga, UCLA, Illinois, Colorado and California all win their relatively easy games this evening.

1. Duke (6-0)
2. Indiana (6-0)
3. Michigan (5-0)
4. Syracuse (4-0)
5. Louisville (5-1)
6. Ohio State (4-0)
7. Florida (5-0)
8. Arizona (3-0)
9. Kentucky (4-1)
10. Gonzaga (6-0)
11. Cincinnati (6-0)
12. North Carolina (5-1)
13. Creighton (6-0)
14. Illinois (7-0)
15. Kansas (4-1)
16. North Carolina State (4-1)
17. Missouri (5-1)
18. Colorado (5-0)
19. UCONN (5-1)
20. UCLA (5-1)
21. Michigan State (5-1)
22. UNLV (3-1)
23. Oklahoma State (5-0)
24. Marquette (4-1)
25. Minnesota (5-1)

Other notables: San Diego State (4-1), California (6-0), New Mexico (6-0), Notre Dame (5-1),Wichita State (6-0)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: real chili 83 on November 25, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
Maybe next week when we knock off Florida.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: JWags85 on November 25, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
I will go ahead and give my top 25 following Feast Week. This assumes UCONN, Indiana, Gonzaga, UCLA, Illinois, Colorado and California all win their relatively easy games this evening.

1. Duke (6-0)
2. Indiana (6-0)
3. Michigan (5-0)
4. Syracuse (4-0)
5. Louisville (5-1)
6. Ohio State (4-0)
7. Florida (5-0)
8. Arizona (3-0)
9. Kentucky (4-1)
10. Gonzaga (6-0)
11. Cincinnati (6-0)
12. North Carolina (5-1)
13. Creighton (6-0)
14. Illinois (7-0)
15. Kansas (4-1)
16. North Carolina State (4-1)
17. Missouri (5-1)
18. Colorado (5-0)
19. UCONN (5-1)
20. UCLA (5-1)
21. Michigan State (5-1)
22. UNLV (3-1)
23. Oklahoma State (5-0)
24. Marquette (4-1)
25. Minnesota (5-1)

Other notables: San Diego State (4-1), California (6-0), New Mexico (6-0), Notre Dame (5-1),Wichita State (6-0)

Don't really know how we could be ranked and Butler is not...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: MUfan12 on November 25, 2012, 11:23:05 PM
UCLA will fall hard. Lost at home to Cal Poly.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/19/12
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2012, 10:34:23 AM
Don't really know how we could be ranked and Butler is not...

Obviously.

Butler has 2 losses but has played a tougher schedule than we have, pretty much dominated UNC on a neutral court and beat us head-to-head on a neutral court. Those 2 losses will probably keep them from being ranked, but of course they should be ranked ahead of us. We would expect the same if the situation were reversed.

Then again, logic doesn't always apply to these things.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: Blue Horseshoe on November 26, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
MU received 7....7 total votes in the AP

http://youtu.be/sBjNpZ5t9S4 (http://youtu.be/sBjNpZ5t9S4)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
MU received 7....7 total votes in the AP

http://youtu.be/sBjNpZ5t9S4 (http://youtu.be/sBjNpZ5t9S4)

You seem surprised by this. We have beaten two cupcakes despite not playing particularly well in either game, a bad USC team and, in Mississippi State, one of the worst teams any of us have seen this season. We have played one good team and lost to that team -- which, by the way, isn't ranked either. (Although Butler did receive 20 votes.)

Frankly, I'm not sure what those who voted for us were looking at.

I want to be ranked, of course. And if we win at Florida we will be. If we don't win there -- and we will be fairly heavy underdogs -- we won't even get 7 votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: spartan3186 on November 26, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
For what its worth, only 2 voters voted for us

Randy Rosetta - Times Picayune (20th - 6 points)
Mike Hunt - MUBB Beat Writer (25th - 1 point)

Hunt and Rosetta also had UCLA ranked, yikes.

Hunt just didn't have a good voting week. Also decided that Duke should be ranked below Louisville and Memphis ranked #18. Overall just terrible. If he isn't going to take the time to do it correctly, he shouldn't vote.

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,V/s,22/t1,122/t2,/v,750/w,4/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: spartan3186 on November 26, 2012, 05:55:17 PM
Actually Mike Hunt's ballot was so bad it got poll attacked

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21144385/the-poll-attacks
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: real chili 83 on November 26, 2012, 06:55:25 PM
Hey Mike Hunt......

One of the things that Enlund did was post how other sports writers voted each week.  That was good info. 

Would appreciate it if you do so too.  Nice job so far this season.
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Post by: Tugg Speedman on November 26, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Hey Mike Hunt......

One of the things that Enlund did was post how other sports writers voted each week.  That was good info. 

Would appreciate it if you do so too.  Nice job so far this season.

Not (yet) necessary:

We had no votes last week

Seven points this week.  Here is the breakdown ...

Randy Rosetta - Times Picayune (20th - 6 points)
Mike Hunt - MUBB Beat Writer (25th - 1 point)

If we beat Florida Thursday, then this might be needed.  Lose that game, or tonight's game (UMBC) and it is not needed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 28, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
Bilas has MU at 19 in the Bilas Index as of today:

Marquette played in the consolation bracket of the Maui Invitational because Butler's Rotnei Clarke hit a crazy shot to win the opening game (one that was well defended). But for that shot, it would have been Marquette playing Illinois for the title. The Golden Eagles have good guards, a load in Davante Gardner and an emerging star in Vander Blue. Despite the loss to Butler, this is a very good team.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/26/12
Post by: LAZER on November 28, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Bilas has MU at 19 in the Bilas Index as of today:

Marquette played in the consolation bracket of the Maui Invitational because Butler's Rotnei Clarke hit a crazy shot to win the opening game (one that was well defended). But for that shot, it would have been Marquette playing Illinois for the title. The Golden Eagles have good guards, a load in Davante Gardner and an emerging star in Vander Blue. Despite the loss to Butler, this is a very good team.



I wouldn't just assume MU would have beaten UNC.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/3/12
Post by: real chili 83 on December 03, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
We got one vote this week in the AP poll.  Hard to believe.  Surprised we even got one.

Anyone know who that one vote was?
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Post by: AirPunches on December 03, 2012, 01:09:05 PM
Can't remember the name but if I had to guess I would say the same guy that ranked MU number 2 last year.
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Post by: slack00 on December 03, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
Randy Rosetta

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,V/s,22/t1,122/t2,/v,142/w,5/
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Post by: muwarrior97 on December 03, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
Pretty interesting we got a vote, he's got Florida #3 so maybe in some warped away that skewed his thinking on MU
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Post by: Earl Tatum on December 03, 2012, 06:21:03 PM
Glad I didn't see Florida--- Looks like we stunk up the joint on National TV.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/3/12
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 09, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
Two votes this week?
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Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2012, 02:43:19 PM
We'll probably get a couple more. If we win our next four to finish non-con 10-2 we'll start getting some attention. If we start 2-0 in the Big East, we'll be ranked by the first Monday in January.
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
My for fun poll this week:

1) Duke (9-0)
2) Indiana (9-0)
3) Florida (7-0)
4) Syracuse (8-0)
5) Michigan (9-0)
6) Louisville (8-1)
7) Arizona (7-0)
8) Ohio State (8-1)
9) Kansas (7-1)
10) Cincinnati (9-0)
11) Illinois (10-0)
12) Missouri (8-1)
13) Gonzaga (9-1)
14) UNC (7-2)
15) New Mexico (10-0)
16) Minnesota (10-1)
17) Creighton (8-1)
18) Michigan State (8-2)
19) Pittsburgh (9-1)
20) Wyoming (10-0)
21) San Diego State (7-1)
22) UNLV (6-1)
23) Oklahoma State (7-1)
24) Wichita State (9-0)
25) Georgetown (7-1)

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: real chili 83 on December 10, 2012, 01:10:33 PM
8 votes this week versus one last week.

Trending in the right direction.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: spartan3186 on December 10, 2012, 02:54:01 PM
Randy Rosetta really likes Marquette apparently. He is still the only voter for Marquette, and has us at #18 this week.

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,V/s,22/t1,122/t2,/v,142/w,6/
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Post by: real chili 83 on December 10, 2012, 02:57:43 PM
Do you know why AP shows us as having 8 votes this week?
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Post by: spartan3186 on December 10, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
You get 1 vote for each place essentially

#1 gets 25 votes/voter
#25 gets 1 vote/voter

1 voter at #18 = 8 votes
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 10, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
RealTime has MU at #27 in their Power Rankings...

http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/Men.html
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: real chili 83 on December 10, 2012, 05:09:16 PM
You get 1 vote for each place essentially

#1 gets 25 votes/voter
#25 gets 1 vote/voter

1 voter at #18 = 8 votes

Thanks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: Marqus Howard on December 10, 2012, 05:40:04 PM
Randy Rosetta really likes Marquette apparently. He is still the only voter for Marquette, and has us at #18 this week.

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,V/s,22/t1,122/t2,/v,142/w,6/

LSU's beat writer, I believe.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: chapman on December 10, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
Well, speaking of AP voters, our own Mike Hunt is getting ripped continously for his voting by CBS' Gary Parrish.

This week's "Guess who turned in another silly ballot?", where Hunt ranked Duke 5th and no other voter was lower than third was Parrish's highlight.  The prior week seems a stretch since he admitted Hunt was adjusting to what were "appropriate" rankings, the week before again for ranking Duke too low.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21350131/the-poll-attacks-guess-who-turned-in-another-silly-ballot

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 10, 2012, 07:40:26 PM
RealTime has MU at #27 in their Power Rankings...

http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/Men.html

I always wonder what version of RPI they are running since it is so out of skew with the others.  RPI Forecast has us at 91.  Warren Nolan's RPI version has us at 90.  Team Rankings RPI has us at 90. Statsheet RPI has us at 89. CBS RPI only goes to the top 68 and we aren't in there (assuming we are at 90 or 91).  Realtime has something very funky with their formula that no one else in the RPI world uses.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 10, 2012, 07:47:11 PM
I always wonder what version of RPI they are running since it is so out of skew with the others.  RPI Forecast has us at 91.  Warren Nolan's RPI version has us at 90.  Team Rankings RPI has us at 90. Statsheet RPI has us at 89. CBS RPI only goes to the top 68 and we aren't in there (assuming we are at 90 or 91).  Realtime has something very funky with their formula that no one else in the RPI world uses.


Their RPI has MU at 93.  Point is, RPI in December is meaningless.  The #27 is their Power Ranking which is stats based.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Edit:  FAQ on Power Ratings:  http://realtimerpi.com/faq.html
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: chapman on December 10, 2012, 09:32:34 PM
CBS RPI only goes to the top 68 and we aren't in there (assuming we are at 90 or 91). 

They go all the way, they just put all the rest on page two (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/rpi/index2), where we are indeed at 91. 

I'm also a big fan of their simple, one page RPI Breakdown for each team (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/MARQET/marquette-golden-eagles).  Though mostly meaningless for another month at least, it's interesting that our losses are to current RPI 4 and 8, though our best win is 112.
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Post by: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2012, 10:30:18 PM
Their RPI has MU at 93.  Point is, RPI in December is meaningless.





Yes, yes, yes. RPI is a horribly flawed system even in March and as such is waning in influence with the selection committee. In December, it's totally worthless. It makes the preseason pollsters who are laughed at on Scoop look like soothsayers. Why it even bears mention here at this time of the year is baffling.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/17/12
Post by: PTM on December 17, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
30th in the AP with 8 votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/10/12
Post by: PTM on December 17, 2012, 12:31:03 PM
34th in ESPN's Power Rankings.
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Post by: chapman on December 17, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
Guessing we have to win for a few more weeks to make it in at the bottom.  Non-conference would be 10-2 with the losses to good teams, but no noteworthy wins.  Guessing if we can close out the OOC slate and win those first two conference home games we would make it in in three weeks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/17/12
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2012, 07:11:47 AM
#24 in RealTime Power Rankings (not RPI)

http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/Men.html
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/17/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 05, 2013, 03:53:29 PM
I'd say between 26-30. A lot of movement in top 25 this week. A win at PITT next weekend, and we'll jump into the 23-25 range.

Huge win boys!!!
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Post by: LAZER on January 05, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
RPI is up to 36 too.  A great way to start conference play after a lackluster OOC.
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Post by: Warriors Forever on January 05, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

I like that post. Very Jerry Maguire Mission Statement-ish....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/17/12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 05, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
I like that post. Very Jerry Maguire Mission Statement-ish....

Woah, bro.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2013, 09:39:58 PM
25 on Goodman and Parrish top 25. Good sign that we will receive a fair share of votes this week.
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2013, 06:08:28 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if we came in to Pitt ranked and they were unranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 11:48:19 AM
#33 in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Kind of a slap in the face--plays into Buzz's hands.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
#29 in the AP.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Bocephys on January 07, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
#33 in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Kind of a slap in the face--plays into Buzz's hands.

Ehh, not really.  Two home wins don't completely erase the UWGB loss nor the Florida shellacking.  Just because everyone gets their panties in a bunch when Mike Hunt brings it up doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 07, 2013, 12:01:17 PM
#33 in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Kind of a slap in the face--plays into Buzz's hands.

Beat UWGB (even by 1) and this team is ranked. 12-2 with losses to #11 and #14 plus a win over #19 gets you in the top 25.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 12:06:32 PM
Really, do you really believe we are a Top #25 team?  Might have to win a game on the road to do that, secondly MU barely beat both teams, easily could have been 0-2!  They shoot
the ball like a bunch of 9th graders, long way in my mind that they are even a Top 50 team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2013, 12:08:27 PM
#33 in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Kind of a slap in the face--plays into Buzz's hands.

Why, who should we be ranked above?  Losing to Green Bay will leave a sour taste for many voters and rightly so.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 12:09:05 PM
Really, do you really believe we are a Top #25 team? 
Nope, not at all, but thought we deserved to be a little higher outside the top 25 after beating two quality Big East opponents.
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Post by: LAZER on January 07, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
Really, do you really believe we are a Top #25 team?  Might have to win a game on the road to do that, secondly MU barely beat both teams, easily could have been 0-2!  They shoot
the ball like a bunch of 9th graders, long way in my mind that they are even a Top 50 team.

I agree that they're not a top 25 team, but they're top 50 without a doubt.  You're going to have a real hard time finding 50 teams better than MU and once you get past 30 or so you're sifting through a lot of really mediocre teams that have as many issues, if not more, than Marquette.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
Why, who should we be ranked above?  Losing to Green Bay will leave a sour taste for many voters and rightly so.
Well, it depends on how you view rankings. I personally beleive that quality wins should be valued more highly than bad losses. A lot of the teams in front of us have pretty weak schedules and it's just been a matter of taking care of business against cupcakes, which doesn't impress me. See Wichita State, PITT, Maryland, VCU. Ultimately, I don't care since these easy schedules that get you in the polls earlier in the year may doom your tourney chances come March (EDIT: cough, cough Cincy). Admittedly, the Green Bay loss was bad and that alone should keep us out of the top 25, but not behind these teams who either haven't been tested or have failed their tests.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on January 07, 2013, 12:20:53 PM
I think where we're placed is pretty accurate.
Two Big East wins, sure, the teams in the top 25 all have big wins, and our big wins weren't exactly convincing.  Moving in the right direction, and great games for sure, but eye opening nationally, probably not so much yet.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: ATWizJr on January 07, 2013, 12:21:57 PM
Beat UWGB (even by 1) and this team is ranked. 12-2 with losses to #11 and #14 plus a win over #19 gets you in the top 25.


Exactly right.
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Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 07, 2013, 12:44:41 PM
Beat UWGB (even by 1) and this team is ranked. 12-2 with losses to #11 and #14 plus a win over #19 gets you in the top 25.



Yup. 12-2 just looks so much nicer as is then the fact that we would have no bad losses and a good start in conference play. Even if we weren't ranked wed be sitting pretty darn good for march.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 02:17:03 PM
I agree that they're not a top 25 team, but they're top 50 without a doubt.  You're going to have a real hard time finding 50 teams better than MU and once you get past 30 or so you're sifting through a lot of really mediocre teams that have as many issues, if not more, than Marquette.

Lets see how they play on the road?  They easily can lose them all, not sure where they play DePaul, but 2 years ago MU lost there, so if they go 9-9 in the Big East (where I think
they will end up) maybe 8-10th in the league, I can see almost 16-17 teams better than MU in the Big East and Big 10, so in saying that are 30 other teams better we will see? Hope
I am wrong.
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Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 02:27:24 PM
Lets see how they play on the road?  They easily can lose them all, not sure where they play DePaul, but 2 years ago MU lost there, so if they go 9-9 in the Big East (where I think
they will end up) maybe 8-10th in the league, I can see almost 16-17 teams better than MU in the Big East and Big 10, so in saying that are 30 other teams better we will see? Hope
I am wrong.
You do realize that this team is slowly coming together after a non-conference period of soul-searching, right? Assuming, a few players step up and start hitting shots, which I see happening (it cannot get much worse), this team can be top 25 good. MU, under Buzz, is notorious for starting out slow, but they're always playing their best basketball in February and March. This year looks no different. In fact, Buzz may have them a little ahead of the curve at this point in the year. I just don't get how you can be so negative after two quality wins despite abysmal shooting. Wilson, Lockett, Blue, and Mayo will be decent to good shooters at the end of the year and couple that with our staunch defense, and I like what's developing here.  
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Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
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Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 07, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
Really, do you really believe we are a Top #25 team?  Might have to win a game on the road to do that, secondly MU barely beat both teams, easily could have been 0-2!  They shoot
the ball like a bunch of 9th graders, long way in my mind that they are even a Top 50 team.

Not far off from a top 25 team. Watch more college bball besides Marquette and you will see that there just aren't that many good teams. MU beats Green Bay and they're in the 19-16 range. I don't think it is a stretch at all that Marquette is currently the 25th best team in the land.
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Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 02:42:33 PM
You do realize that this team is slowly coming together after a non-conference period of soul-searching, right? Assuming, a few players step up and start hitting shots, which I see happening (it cannot get much worse), this team can be top 25 good. MU, under Buzz, is notorious for starting out slow, but they're always playing their best basketball in February and March. This year looks no different. In fact, Buzz may have them a little ahead of the curve at this point in the year. I just don't get how you can be so negative after two quality wins despite abysmal shooting. Wilson, Lockett, Blue, and Mayo will be decent to good shooters at the end of the year and couple that with our staunch defense, and I like what's developing here.  

Have to prove it on the court, only time will tell.  I hope they shoot it better, but look at Wisky last night, horrible on the road.  The next 3 games will be interesting, Pitt is beatable and
so is Cincy, I will have a different opinion in 2 weeks.  MU defended there court against 2 of the middle of the road Big East teams, GTown was way overated. To get into the
dance, you have to beat those teams and they did, Cincy and Pitt are in the middle as well.  Beat those teams and your an upper tier team.  Lets see!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
Not far off from a top 25 team. Watch more college bball besides Marquette and you will see that there just aren't that many good teams. MU beats Green Bay and they're in the 19-16 range. I don't think it is a stretch at all that Marquette is currently the 25th best team in the land.

Agreed, I do watch a great deal of hoops, but you do still need to win on the road, so maybe between 35-45.  There so many question marks about this team, it is really to hard to
predict.  2 great victories to start, time will tell.  Say 9-9 record in Big East.  Next 3 games might change my mind.  I have them losing the next 2 out of 3.
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Post by: Windyplayer on January 07, 2013, 02:46:58 PM
GTown was way overated.
What are you basing this assertion on? I think they're a very good team that struggled shooting the ball against us, due in part to our defense. They took IU to overtime and beat everyone else they've played including UCLA before coming into MKE.
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2013, 02:52:39 PM
What are you basing this assertion on? I think they're a very good team that struggled shooting the ball against us, due in part to our defense. They took IU to overtime and beat everyone else they've played including UCLA before coming into MKE.

My guess is nothing, though I'm sure he'll argue otherwise. Every post is bashing anyone who asserts this team is any good. Even if they do lose 2 of their next 3, I still think they can get to 11-12 Big East wins. Start 3-2 and if we win 2 of the 3 after that against Providence and USF at home, we'll be 5-3.

Look at the remaining games and tell me we shouldn't win at least 5 of those. I'm sticking with this team reaching 12-6 and finishing in the top-4.
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Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 03:26:10 PM
Hope you are right.  Saturday will be a good test, so Pitt play Saturday and I was not overhelmed, thought they would be better.  Adams there center is way overated, the rest of the
team was average.  It shows that incoming freshman have a long way to go before they are the difference.  Maybe the kids Kentucky recruit, not this year, but last can live up to the
hype.  Shazbuzz Muhammend and Kyle Anderson are good players but it sounds like they might be both top 5 picks in the draft, I feel bad for those teams that have to pay them that
kind of money.  There good and might be great in 4 years, but not now.
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Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 07, 2013, 04:17:50 PM
Hope you are right.  Saturday will be a good test, so Pitt play Saturday and I was not overhelmed, thought they would be better.  Adams there center is way overated, the rest of the team was average.  It shows that incoming freshman have a long way to go before they are the difference.  Maybe the kids Kentucky recruit, not this year, but last can live up to the hype.  Shazbuzz Muhammend and Kyle Anderson are good players but it sounds like they might be both top 5 picks in the draft, I feel bad for those teams that have to pay them that kind of money.  There good and might be great in 4 years, but not now.
???
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Post by: BCHoopster on January 07, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
Glad somebody caught that, a little play on words!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 12, 2013, 01:37:00 PM
Any upsets in the top 25? Will we sneak in this week?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 12, 2013, 01:37:26 PM
Any upsets in the top 25? Will we sneak in this week?

Ranked #1






.....in our hearts.  Probably #23ish
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 12, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
#19 Georgetown lost to us and Pitt at home.
#24 UNLV lost at New Mexico.
#25 New Mexico lost at Saint Louis
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Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2013, 01:40:42 PM
#19 Georgetown lost to us and Pitt at home.
#24 UNLV lost at New Mexico.
#25 New Mexico lost at Saint Louis

We'll be ranked. I'd guess 22-24 range.
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Post by: TallTitan34 on January 12, 2013, 01:43:57 PM
I just want to be ranked to get our highlights on ESPN.
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Post by: JakeBarnes on January 12, 2013, 01:45:55 PM
#13 Illinois getting whooped up by Badgers right now.  Itd be kinda nice if they did well today for RPI purposes
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 12, 2013, 01:47:24 PM
#19 Georgetown lost to us and Pitt at home.
#24 UNLV lost at New Mexico.
#25 New Mexico lost at Saint Louis

We played them last week. They crushed STJ so their week doesnt look as bad, Probably still out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: LAZER on January 12, 2013, 02:32:04 PM
#13 Illinois getting whooped up by Badgers right now.  Itd be kinda nice if they did well today for RPI purposes


Illinois lost to Minnesota earlier too, they'll likely take a big hit in the polls as well.

MU's RPI is up to #24 right now.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: jsglow on January 12, 2013, 02:37:46 PM
I'm saying #24.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 12, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
Too hard to say exactly where until tomorrow, but I'd say 22-24 sounds about right.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 12, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Down go the Domers at home to the Huskies.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Avenue Commons on January 12, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
We'll be ranked. I'd guess 22-24 range.

I think there is a rule that teams that lose to UWGB can not be ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: jsglow on January 12, 2013, 04:47:31 PM
I think there is a rule that teams that lose to UWGB can not be ranked.

Today's win goes a long way toward moving beyond that.  We would have certainly been ranked last week were it not for that performance.  But wins against UConn, GTown and Pitt will be noticed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: only a warrior on January 12, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
guessing "also receiving votes" still.  One more solid win and we are in the top 25 again.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Hards_Alumni on January 12, 2013, 05:31:32 PM
guessing "also receiving votes" still.  One more solid win and we are in the top 25 again.

I think you're probably right... but we could be right on the edge
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: MUMonster03 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
Have to agree that we will probably still be in the others still receiving votes, especially in coaches since we got very little love last week. Would have helped if Pitt was still ranked going into today.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: wojosdojo on January 12, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
They will definitely be ranked. Ill guess 23.

Three solid wins will dim the UWGB loss.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: real chili 83 on January 12, 2013, 07:42:55 PM
Down go the Domers at home to the Huskies.

Ahhhh, all is well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: RealWarriorFan on January 12, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
RPI now at 21
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Daniel on January 12, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

You sum it up well.  Visibility for the university is much higher when ranked because there is simply more coverage of ranked teams. 
That said, I think we still should be jsut outside the top 25 - so I am guesssing the votes MU garners this week will put us at 26.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/7/13
Post by: Kikito MU89 on January 12, 2013, 10:37:45 PM
23
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: JoBo2756 on January 13, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
25 or more likely, a team receiving a vote.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: PTM on January 13, 2013, 10:03:26 PM
Gary Parrish has Marquette up to 20. Was 25 last week
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on January 13, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
And Wisconsin at 26.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 13, 2013, 10:31:29 PM
Gary Parrish has Marquette up to 20. Was 25 last week
Link? The top 25 (plus one) hasn't been updated on Cbssports.com yet.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on January 13, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21551341/updated-top-25-and-one (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21551341/updated-top-25-and-one)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 13, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
Gary Parrish has Marquette up to 20. Was 25 last week

Wisconsin 26?  Hmm, not sure how that helps Gary Parrish's credibility at all.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: PTM on January 13, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
Wisconsin 26?  Hmm, not sure how that helps Gary Parrish's credibility at all.

They beat ILLINOIS!...?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 13, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
Wisconsin 26?  Hmm, not sure how that helps Gary Parrish's credibility at all.

Well, they are undefeated in the mighty B1G...and just throttled the Illini who have had some big wins. Big battle of the unbeatens on Tuesday in Bloom Town to see how Parrish's rating stands up.  Jackson has looked a little better at PG during their six game run.  Hoosiers should triumph but Bo is figuring out their pieces...and Dekker is a tough match up for teams.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: setyoursightsnorth on January 13, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
I would say that we are ranked 23rd. Wichita State lost today and they were ranked 23rd. I can see up jumping to their spot.   
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 14, 2013, 02:21:48 AM
They beat ILLINOIS!...?

Yes, and barely beat Nebraska and Penn State the week prior.  Sorry, I just don't see them at the #26 team in the country.  More like #35.  If they shoot well, which isn't that often, they can be dangerous, but if they are the #26 team in the country we have a crapload of average teams out there. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 14, 2013, 04:46:21 AM
Soft bubble?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2013, 04:48:35 AM
Yes, and barely beat Nebraska and Penn State the week prior.  Sorry, I just don't see them at the #26 team in the country.  More like #35.  If they shoot well, which isn't that often, they can be dangerous, but if they are the #26 team in the country we have a crapload of average teams out there. 

We do. But I agree that they still aren't 26. Personally, I think there are maybe 11 very good teams out there and then a group of about 25-30 teams that there really isn't much difference between. When I was doing a "what if I was a voter" list, it really fell off after tOSU at #11.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: Goose on January 14, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
I think we vsneak in the vtop 25 this week. This season is very strange with a lot of teams being similar in quality/potential IMO. Anything that happens this year with MU or about 20 other teams will not surprise me. We could somehow be a S16 team or be on the outside looking in March. I am going to enjoy each win a bit more this season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: MUMonster03 on January 14, 2013, 08:09:49 AM
After seeing all the other teams who have lost this week I have changed my mind and think we will sneak in probably at 24. Cincy did lose to ND but they won on Saturday so wouldn't be surprised to see them hold on to their ranking.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 14, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
Marquette on the AP at 25.  A little lower than I thought.

Goodman had us at 20 in his 25 +1.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 14, 2013, 11:54:18 AM
Marquette on the AP at 25.  A little lower than I thought.

Goodman had us at 20 in his 25 +1.
Unranked in USA Today/ESPN poll. Hosed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/14/13
Post by: chapman on January 14, 2013, 12:34:03 PM
Unranked in USA Today/ESPN poll. Hosed.

With 9 less votes than Georgetown and the same number as Wisconsin.   O....k...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: real chili 83 on January 20, 2013, 04:10:02 PM
Mentioned, but not top 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: AirPunches on January 20, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
25-27
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 21, 2013, 11:51:22 AM
#26 in the AP. Miami got one more vote than us to sneak into the top 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 21, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
#29 in the USA Today Coaches Poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2013, 12:29:30 PM
Beat Providence and hope someone in the 20-25 range loses and we are back in.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: Damiononthedock on January 21, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
Yeah, absolutely they will return next week. Then get bounced out again after Louisville stomps our boys. Then back in a week later after beating USF and Depaul. These polls are kind of easy to predict.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: MU82 on January 21, 2013, 01:15:33 PM
Shoot ... one point shy of being on the ESPN crawl next Saturday!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/21/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 21, 2013, 10:34:33 PM
Beat Providence and hope someone in the 20-25 range loses and we are back in.
Check! No team better to replace than ND.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: real chili 83 on January 26, 2013, 05:10:02 PM
The bat computer says 23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2013, 12:52:17 PM
What I think the rankings SHOULD be:

1) Kansas (18-1)
2) Michigan (19-1*)
3) Florida (16-2)
4) Indiana (18-2*)
5) Duke (17-2)
6) Syracuse (18-2)
7) Gonzaga (19-2)
8) Arizona (17-2)
9) Louisville (16-4)
10) Ohio State (15-4)
11) Oregon (18-2)
12) Butler (17-3)
13) Cincinnati (16-4)
14) Kansas State (15-4)
15) Michigan State (17-4*)
Things start to get extremely mucky at this point.
16) Wichita State (19-2)
17) Ole Miss (17-2)
18) Miami (15-3*)
19) Marquette (14-4)
20) NC State (16-4)
21) Missouri (15-4)
22) Pittsburgh (17-4)
23) Georgetown (14-4)
24) San Diego State (16-4)
25) New Mexico (17-3)

Other notables:

Minnesota (15-5), Creighton (18-3*), Notre Dame (16-4), Wisconsin (14-6), UCLA (16-5), Memphis (16-3), UNLV (16-4)

* Assumes:
Indiana over Michigan State
Michigan over Illinois
Miami over Florida State (Wanted to go other way)

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: klyrish on January 27, 2013, 12:59:37 PM
I hope you're right but I also hope you're not because every time we get ranked, we just choke. And choking against USF tomorrow night is NOT acceptable.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: wadesworld on January 27, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
I hope you're right but I also hope you're not because every time we get ranked, we just choke. And choking against USF tomorrow night is NOT acceptable.

...we've been ranked once this year and lost on the road in overtime to a top 20 team (started the year top 12).

Last year we were ranked the entire year and went 14-4 in the Big East and finished 2nd in the Big East.

If that's how you define "choke" then I guess you're right.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: klyrish on January 27, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
...we've been ranked once this year and lost on the road in overtime to a top 20 team (started the year top 12).

Last year we were ranked the entire year and went 14-4 in the Big East and finished 2nd in the Big East.

If that's how you define "choke" then I guess you're right.
Fine, let me clarify: every time we get ranked, we seem to play the next game rather crappily. I.e. the Cinci game, scoring 13 points in the first half. Granted, we came back and went to OT, but still.

Last year, we broke the top 10 and got absolutely embarrassed by Florida. It seems like the game after either becoming ranked or jumping in ranks sees a piss-poor performance that either ends in us barely squeaking by or getting utterly embarrassed on the court.

That's the way it feels at least.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 27, 2013, 01:22:28 PM
Fine, let me clarify: every time we get ranked, we seem to play the next game rather crappily. I.e. the Cinci game, scoring 13 points in the first half. Granted, we came back and went to OT, but still.

Last year, we broke the top 10 and got absolutely embarrassed by Florida. It seems like the game after either becoming ranked or jumping in ranks sees a piss-poor performance that either ends in us barely squeaking by or getting utterly embarrassed on the court.

That's the way it feels at least.

I think part of that is we are a borderline team anyways. If we are ranked, that is because we have been hot and won a few games in a row, which means were due for a loss. No team is perfect and streaks have to end if you aren't that good to begin with.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: muguru on January 27, 2013, 01:29:18 PM
What I think the rankings SHOULD be:

1) Kansas (18-1)
2) Michigan (19-1*)
3) Florida (16-2)
4) Indiana (18-2*)
5) Duke (17-2)
6) Syracuse (18-2)
7) Gonzaga (19-2)
8) Arizona (17-2)
9) Louisville (16-4)
10) Ohio State (15-4)
11) Oregon (18-2)
12) Butler (17-3)
13) Cincinnati (16-4)
14) Kansas State (15-4)
15) Michigan State (17-4*)
Things start to get extremely mucky at this point.
16) Wichita State (19-2)
17) Ole Miss (17-2)
18) Miami (15-3*)
19) Marquette (14-4)
20) NC State (16-4)
21) Missouri (15-4)
22) Pittsburgh (17-4)
23) Georgetown (14-4)
24) San Diego State (16-4)
25) New Mexico (17-3)

Other notables:

Minnesota (15-5), Creighton (18-3*), Notre Dame (16-4), Wisconsin (14-6), UCLA (16-5), Memphis (16-3), UNLV (16-4)

* Assumes:
Indiana over Michigan State
Michigan over Illinois
Miami over Florida State (Wanted to go other way)




No freaking way should UL still be a top 10 team after losing two this week and three in a row overall. MAYBE in the 15-20 range.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2013, 01:39:35 PM

No freaking way should UL still be a top 10 team after losing two this week and three in a row overall. MAYBE in the 15-20 range.

Look at the other resumes after Arizona. It falls off a cliff, and it falls fast. I think an argument could be made to drop Louisville down to the #15 range due to the recent losses but fact of the matter is that Louisville is better than the five or six teams that would be ranked ahead of them.

I don't see Louisville dropping any further than 12.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Warrior on January 27, 2013, 01:47:07 PM
The bat computer says 23.


This bat brain agrees. 8-)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: AlienWarrior on January 27, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
We WILL be ranked because we play Louisville on Stupor Bowl Sunday.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 27, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
What I think the rankings SHOULD be:

1) Kansas (18-1)
2) Michigan (19-1*)
3) Florida (16-2)
4) Indiana (18-2*)
5) Duke (17-2)
6) Syracuse (18-2)
7) Gonzaga (19-2)
8) Arizona (17-2)
9) Louisville (16-4)
10) Ohio State (15-4)
11) Oregon (18-2)
12) Butler (17-3)
13) Cincinnati (16-4)
14) Kansas State (15-4)
15) Michigan State (17-4*)
Things start to get extremely mucky at this point.
16) Wichita State (19-2)
17) Ole Miss (17-2)
18) Miami (15-3*)
19) Marquette (14-4)
20) NC State (16-4)
21) Missouri (15-4)
22) Pittsburgh (17-4)
23) Georgetown (14-4)
24) San Diego State (16-4)
25) New Mexico (17-3)

Other notables:

Minnesota (15-5), Creighton (18-3*), Notre Dame (16-4), Wisconsin (14-6), UCLA (16-5), Memphis (16-3), UNLV (16-4)

* Assumes:
Indiana over Michigan State
Michigan over Illinois
Miami over Florida State (Wanted to go other way)



You should forward this to hunt so he does have to bother with a post requesting reader input
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: MU82 on January 27, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
We WILL be ranked because we play Louisville on Stupor Bowl Sunday.

You do realize that the writers who vote in the AP poll don't all get together and decide to rank teams based on when they might or might not be on TV, right?

The networks have zero say in this stuff.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2013, 07:24:39 PM
23 on Parrish Goodman and Davis mentioned that he has MU tied at 26.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 28, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
#25 in the USA Today poll!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: chapman on January 28, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
#25 in the USA Today poll!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)

First appearance in the coach's poll this year, no?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: MUMountin on January 28, 2013, 11:53:15 AM
Villanova not even garnering a vote after two top-5 wins in a week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 28, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
First appearance in the coach's poll this year, no?

Correct. And MUMountin, I was thinking the same thing. I know they have seven losses, but they deserved some recognition in the polls.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 28, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Quote
he USA TODAY Sports Board of Coaches is made up of 31 head coaches at Division I institutions. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The board for the 2012-13 season: Tommy Amaker, Harvard; Tevester Anderson, Jackson State; Randy Bennett, Saint Mary''s; Eddie Biedenbach, North Carolina-Asheville; Jim Boeheim, Syracuse; Rick Byrd, Belmont; Tim Cluess, Iona; Keith Dambrot, Akron; Kermit Davis, Middle Tennessee; Steve Donahue, Boston College; Scott Drew, Baylor; Matt Driscoll, North Florida; Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Bruiser Flint, Drexel; Tim Floyd, Texas-El Paso; Mark Fox, Georgia; Ben Jacobson, Northern Iowa; Rob Jeter, Wisconsin-Milwaukee; Mike McConathy, Northwestern State; Bob McKillop, Davidson; Ron Fang Mitchell, Coppin State; Matt Painter, Purdue; Dave Paulsen, Bucknell; Saul Phillips, North Dakota State; Steve Pikiell, Stony Brook; Randy Rahe, Weber State; Herb Sendek, Arizona State; Shaka Smart, Virginia Commonwealth; Andrew Toole, Robert Morris; Don Verlin, Idaho; Bob Williams, UC-Santa Barbara.

Never knew Jeter got a vote. It would be awesome to see an average of coaches ranking their own team vs other coaches.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: chapman on January 28, 2013, 12:05:11 PM
Quote
Kermit Davis, Middle Tennessee

I guess that's where their two votes came from. 

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx237/GeoWyrm/Muppet%20Show/04_KermitClose300px.jpg)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 28, 2013, 12:32:51 PM
#25 in the AP as well.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
25th in AP:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: jsglow on January 28, 2013, 12:36:57 PM
Big gap back to GTown in 26th with Bucky and UNLV way behind that.  Win tonight; play Louisville tough.  We'll stay.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: jeffreyweee on January 28, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Clearly we were only ranked 25th because we have a game on ESPN tonight and it'll get more attraction with a 25 next to our name similar to the Miami v Duke game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on January 28, 2013, 12:38:07 PM
If Butler can stay at #9 after losing to LaSalle, we can stay at #25 should we lose to Louisville.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 28, 2013, 01:10:44 PM
AP has us #25 with 216 points.  Cincy is 24 with 220 points
GU is 26th with 121 points.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: CAGASS24 on January 28, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Butler is still # 9 and they lose to La Salle - what the hell is that!!!!

KSTATE loses twice and only goes from 11-17?

NC State loses to a crapty Wake Forest team and only drops 1 with their other win for the week not against a top 25 team?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 28, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
K   TEAM   RECORD   PTS
1   Michigan (51)    19-1   1,611
2   Kansas (13)    18-1   1,572
3   Indiana   18-2   1,457
4   Florida (1)    16-2   1,420
5   Duke   17-2   1,328
6   Syracuse   18-2   1,322
7   Gonzaga   19-2   1,177
8   Arizona   17-2   1,160
9   Butler   17-3   1,023
10   Oregon   18-2   969
11   Ohio State   15-4   945
12   Louisville   16-4   905
13   Michigan State   17-4   897
14   Miami (FL)   15-3   894
15   Wichita State   19-2   621
16   Ole Miss   17-2   473
17   Missouri   15-4   464
18   Kansas State   15-4   463
19   North Carolina State   16-4   431
20   New Mexico   17-3   333
21   Creighton   18-3   312
22   San Diego State   16-4   302
23   Minnesota   15-5   281
24   Cincinnati   16-4   220
25   Marquette   14-4   216

    Others receiving votes: Georgetown 121, UNLV 56, Wisconsin 45, UCLA 34, Arizona State 14, Notre Dame 12, Pittsburgh 10, Louisiana Tech 8, Villanova 6, Baylor 5, Iowa State 4, Memphis 4, Virginia Commonwealth 4, La Salle 3, Saint Mary's 2, Colorado State 1

    Dropped from rankings: Virginia Commonwealth 19, Notre Dame 24
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: MU B2002 on January 28, 2013, 01:47:46 PM
Butler is still # 9 and they lose to La Salle - what the hell is that!!!!


La Salle was favored in that game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: ATWizJr on January 28, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
25th in both polls.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 04, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
Holding steady at #23 in the Parrish/Goodman Top 25 (and one) rankings on CBS.com.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 04, 2013, 11:33:54 AM
Lunardi had us at either 18 or 19. Seth Davis had us unranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 04, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
EDIT: Tied for #27 in USA Today poll

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 04, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
#24 in the AP. Wow. OBVIOUSLY, it's because we're on ESPN2 on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: GGGG on February 04, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
Maybe the voters were too busy watching Super Bowl pre game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 04, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
Or because 4 teams ranked between 16-25 went winless this week
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2013, 12:40:44 PM
Or the voters don't see any reason to drop MU considering we lost to a very good team at their place.   
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: ATWizJr on February 04, 2013, 01:20:31 PM
EDIT: Tied for #27 in USA Today poll

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
28th actually.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: slack00 on February 04, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
Or the voters DID drop MU an average of 1 place in their polls--from 216 points to 137 points--but it was still more points than all but 23 of the other teams.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 1/28/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 04, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
28th actually.
Nice catch. Tie at 25 and at 28. Good grief.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/4/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on February 10, 2013, 12:24:16 PM
2-0 in two should win games, lots of teams losing in front of us (but many of those road losses to decent opponents). BPI 21; RPI 16.

I guess 22. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/4/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
I figure last week we got our doors blown off and moved up one spot.  This week we win two games, so should drop.  Love those poll voters, very solid bunch.

I'll go with 21.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: brewcity77 on February 10, 2013, 04:00:01 PM
I think we'll make a big jump in the AP Poll. My prediction is #19. I also think we climb back into the USA Today at #23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Goose on February 10, 2013, 04:06:58 PM
Think we crack top 20. Tomorrow would be a great game to steal. Was worried about UL but very much looking forward to game tomorrow.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 10, 2013, 04:24:10 PM
I think we'll make a big jump in the AP Poll. My prediction is #19. I also think we climb back into the USA Today at #23.

Agree. 19
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 10, 2013, 05:31:18 PM
What I think the AP rankings will look like tomorrow:

1. Duke (21-2)*
2. Florida (19-3)
3. Indiana (20-3)
4. Gonzaga (23-2)
5. Michigan (21-3)
6. Arizona (21-2)*
7. Miami (19-3)
8. Syracuse (19-3)
9. Michigan State (20-4)
10. Kansas (19-4)
11. Kansas State (19-4)
12. Louisville (19-5)
13. Butler (20-4)
14. Ohio State (17-5)
15. Georgetown (17-4)
16. Oklahoma State (17-5)
17. Pittsburgh (20-5)
18. New Mexico (20-4)
19. Marquette (17-5)
20. Notre Dame (19-5)
21. Minnesota (18-6)*
22. Oregon (19-5)
23. Memphis (20-3)
24. Creighton (20-5)
25. Cincinnati (18-6)

Assumes Duke, Arizona and Minnesota win their games tonight.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: chren21 on February 10, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
With the Bove poll if we got the zags we would have 5 in the top 25 in the new conf7.  5 out of 10 I would say is pretty good.  Even 4 is solid. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: brewcity77 on February 10, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
With the Bove poll if we got the zags we would have 5 in the top 25 in the new conf7.  5 out of 10 I would say is pretty good.  Even 4 is solid. 

Gonzaga's not coming.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: chren21 on February 10, 2013, 05:41:37 PM
Gonzaga's not coming.

I know.  It's to bad...  Solid program.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: wadesworld on February 10, 2013, 06:02:38 PM
What I think the AP rankings will look like tomorrow:

1. Duke (21-2)*
2. Florida (19-3)
3. Indiana (20-3)
4. Gonzaga (23-2)
5. Michigan (21-3)
6. Arizona (21-2)*
7. Miami (19-3)
8. Syracuse (19-3)
9. Michigan State (20-4)
10. Kansas (19-4)
11. Kansas State (19-4)
12. Louisville (19-5)
13. Butler (20-4)
14. Ohio State (17-5)
15. Georgetown (17-4)
16. Oklahoma State (17-5)
17. Pittsburgh (20-5)
18. New Mexico (20-4)
19. Marquette (17-5)
20. Notre Dame (19-5)
21. Minnesota (18-6)*
22. Oregon (19-5)
23. Memphis (20-3)
24. Creighton (20-5)
25. Cincinnati (18-6)

Assumes Duke, Arizona and Minnesota win their games tonight.

Don't see any chance Notre Dame doesn't hop over us.  We lose to Louisville by 20.  Notre Dame beats Louisville.  Not to mention all the publicity they got from the win because it went into 5 overtimes.  Plus the hype that was surrounding Louisville because they were "back into form" after stomping us.  Notre Dame will be higher.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 10, 2013, 06:06:08 PM
As long as we are top 20...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 10, 2013, 06:11:06 PM
What I think the AP rankings will look like tomorrow:

2. Florida (19-3)

They got smoked by a crappy Arkansas and stay at #2?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
Don't see any chance Notre Dame doesn't hop over us.  We lose to Louisville by 20.  Notre Dame beats Louisville.  Not to mention all the publicity they got from the win because it went into 5 overtimes.  Plus the hype that was surrounding Louisville because they were "back into form" after stomping us.  Notre Dame will be higher.

Agreed.

I have no problem with ND staying ranked right with us. Will make spanking them next month all the sweeter!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 10, 2013, 07:34:56 PM
Can't see a scenario where Wisconsin stays unranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
Illinois just beat Minnesota at Minnesota.  Minny is out, Wisconsin in.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 10, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
#18 in Goodman and Parrish's Top 25 (plus one) poll.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/top25 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/top25)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on February 11, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
18 in the AP poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 11, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
We came in at 18th this week.  Wow.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 11, 2013, 11:14:51 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)

Wow, indeed. That's great.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 11, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
Not too surprising. A lot of teams in front of us had terrible weeks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 11, 2013, 11:59:11 AM
#20 in the Coaches' Poll. Not too shabby.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: muguru on February 11, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
#20 in the Coaches' Poll. Not too shabby.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)

This is why you cannot EVER take the Coaches poll seriously...it's the AP that matters. On what planet should UW be ranked higher than MU?? MU has fewer losses, beat them head to head and is tied for the BE lead. UW won a game in OT on a lucky shot, big F'n deal.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 11, 2013, 12:20:11 PM
This is why you cannot EVER take the Coaches poll seriously...it's the AP that matters. On what planet should UW be ranked higher than MU?? MU has fewer losses, beat them head to head and is tied for the BE lead. UW won a game in OT on a lucky shot, big F'n deal.
Well I am certainly no badger fan but they have 4 or 5 wins that are better than our best win.  That could be why.

now stop making me think about them.   ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: akmarq on February 11, 2013, 12:20:47 PM
This is why you cannot EVER take the Coaches poll seriously...it's the AP that matters.

None of them matter. The difference between being ranked 18th and 20th is utterly meaningless, even in terms of media exposure.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2013, 12:34:03 PM
The difference between being ranked 2nd and 25th is meaningless.  It's all about just getting your name in the media.

18th should be high enough where if we split the two games this week, we will remained ranked.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Goose on February 11, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
Agreed Titan a split this week probably keeps us ranked. While rankings really mean little to me I do think being ranked is important for the program.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 11, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
Two games against teams ranked in the teens this week - huge opportunity to make a statement nationally, make a move up NCAA seeding-wise, and gain more separation in the Big East standings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on February 11, 2013, 01:13:29 PM
Well I am certainly no badger fan but they have 4 or 5 wins that are better than our best win.  That could be why.

now stop making me think about them.   ;D

Where in the hell do you see 4 or 5 wins better than @Pitt and Gtown, @IU and Michigan are givens (even though they were insanely lucky in the Mich game) then maybe @Illinois, which is being very generous. All in all, that is a ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 11, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
As a side note - I actually agree with IU being ranked #1 even though they lost this week.  They have some big wins after the last couple weeks and have not lost by more than 5 points.  And having watched several of their games, Victor Oladipo is the most impressive player I've seen this year.  Now I hope they lose out the rest of the way, as unlikely as that is (approaching 0%).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: slack00 on February 11, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
This is why you cannot EVER take the Coaches poll seriously...it's the AP that matters. On what planet should UW be ranked higher than MU?? MU has fewer losses, beat them head to head and is tied for the BE lead. UW won a game in OT on a lucky shot, big F'n deal.

Out of 31 voters, Wisconsin has a 6 point lead on Marquette in the latest SID poll.  Basically tied.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2013, 01:29:09 PM
This is why you cannot EVER take the Coaches poll seriously...it's the AP that matters. On what planet should UW be ranked higher than MU?? MU has fewer losses, beat them head to head and is tied for the BE lead. UW won a game in OT on a lucky shot, big F'n deal.

Head to head won't matter in the polls.  Too many other things to consider.  ND just beat Louisville, but Louisville is still ranked ahead of ND and should be. Just one example. 

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
As a side note - I actually agree with IU being ranked #1 even though they lost this week.  They have some big wins after the last couple weeks and have not lost by more than 5 points.  And having watched several of their games, Victor Oladipo is the most impressive player I've seen this year.  Now I hope they lose out the rest of the way, as unlikely as that is (approaching 0%).

I agree with this. They have two lottery picks (neither of whom are freshmen), two 4 year senior starters and a McDonald's AA freshman as starters and one of the top 6th men in the country. In a year without much at the top they stand out. If they stumble a couple of times down the stretch they'll still get a #1 seed. Even a relative collapse means a #2. I don't like them, but given Duke without Kelly, Michigan's recent setbacks, Kansas's implosion, etc. the Hoosiers are pretty solid favorites to take it all.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Head to head won't matter in the polls.  Too many other things to consider.  ND just beat Louisville, but Louisville is still ranked ahead of ND and should be. Just one example. 



True, but losing a game in 5 overtimes that you had easily in hand is a bit different that being smoked by double digits.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 11, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
I agree with this. They have two lottery picks (neither of whom are freshmen), two 4 year senior starters and a McDonald's AA freshman as starters and one of the top 6th men in the country. In a year without much at the top they stand out. If they stumble a couple of times down the stretch they'll still get a #1 seed. Even a relative collapse means a #2. I don't like them, but given Duke without Kelly, Michigan's recent setbacks, Kansas's implosion, etc. the Hoosiers are pretty solid favorites to take it all.

Even though Florida got their doors blown off at Arkansas, I still think they're the other top contender.  The separation likely lies in the fact that IU will be more battle-tested going through the Big Teen gauntlet, wheras Florida should make a mockery out of a really bad SEC.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 11, 2013, 02:51:50 PM
Even though Florida got their doors blown off at Arkansas, I still think they're the other top contender.  The separation likely lies in the fact that IU will be more battle-tested going through the Big Teen gauntlet, wheras Florida should make a mockery out of a really bad SEC.
Agreed. Whatever respect the SEC once had this year has been lost with Mizzou's plight into mediocrity--they are absolutely dreadful on the road.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 11, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
Three weeks ago Miami was 25th, 1 point in front us.  Now they are 3rd with 17 first place votes. 

An amazing ascent.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on February 11, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
Need to win 1 this week to hold steady. Win 2 and you are looking 10-14 range.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2013, 03:33:14 PM
True, but losing a game in 5 overtimes that you had easily in hand is a bit different that being smoked by double digits.

Understood, but that was just one example.  Head to head in polls just doesn't mean a bunch...these guys don't remember that stuff.  They have a tough enough time putting 25 teams next to numbers 1 through 25.  Most of them can't remember what happened 15 games ago in some contest because they would have to do that for every team they vote on.  Having seen how the coaches poll was voted on first hand (literally saw it with my own eyes back in the day), you know how I feel about the sanctity of these things.  Most give it a passing glance, maybe put an hour or so into.  Some go deeper, but many do not.  They don't have the time or energy to do it right.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 11, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Where in the hell do you see 4 or 5 wins better than @Pitt and Gtown, @IU and Michigan are givens (even though they were insanely lucky in the Mich game) then maybe @Illinois, which is being very generous. All in all, that is a ridiculous statement.
You are going to make me look up something regarding the f'ng badgers?

@ Indiana - Duh
vs Michigan - Duh
vs Illinois (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
vs Minnesota (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
@ Illinois -  Better than @ Pitt. (Pitt without Woodall is not that great of a win)

Our best wins are @ Pitt (unranked) and home against Georgetown (#15 at the time).

It's not even close who has the better wins.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 11, 2013, 04:21:08 PM
You are going to make me look up something regarding the f'ng badgers?

@ Indiana - Duh
vs Michigan - Duh
vs Illinois (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
vs Minnesota (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
@ Illinois -  Better than @ Pitt. (Pitt without Woodall is not that great of a win)

Our best wins are @ Pitt (unranked) and home against Georgetown (#15 at the time).

It's not even close who has the better wins.

Where a team is ranked at the time means absolutely nothing. Do you think the selection committee is going to give Butler a "top ten win" for when they beat UNC in Maui? It's all about where teams are at the end of the season, barring injuries.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Coleman on February 11, 2013, 04:26:47 PM
Where a team is ranked at the time means absolutely nothing. Do you think the selection committee is going to give Butler a "top ten win" for when they beat UNC in Maui? It's all about where teams are at the end of the season, barring injuries.

This
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on February 11, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
You are going to make me look up something regarding the f'ng badgers?

@ Indiana - Duh
vs Michigan - Duh
vs Illinois (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
vs Minnesota (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
@ Illinois -  Better than @ Pitt. (Pitt without Woodall is not that great of a win)

Our best wins are @ Pitt (unranked) and home against Georgetown (#15 at the time).

It's not even close who has the better wins.

I wouldn't factor in when teams were beaten at that specific point in time (i.e. what they were ranked when they were beaten). Kentucky was once #3, NC State #6, UNC #11, UCLA #13, Baylor #16, Memphis #17, none of them were deserving of their respective rankings and certainly the wins against UK, UNC, UCLA, Baylor etc. at that time will not be regarded as "great wins" today and most likely the end of the season. The same goes for Illinois and Minnesota. I would say as of now @Pitt outdoes @Illinois and at home against Gtown outdoes at home vs Minnesota.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 16, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
I say we are unchanged at 18.  What say you?

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 16, 2013, 11:18:43 PM
I say we are unchanged at 18.  What say you?



Agreed
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: keefe on February 17, 2013, 12:12:54 AM
Roger 18
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 17, 2013, 03:41:49 AM
I could see 17 with Pitt dropping to 18. Everyone else immediately ahead of MU should stay. OK State had a nice overtime win and Georgetown will go up.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Sunbelt15 on February 17, 2013, 06:44:38 AM
-1

If you do not live in Milwaukee then a ranking means highlights on ESPN and it's better for recruiting.


So true, but some will never understand! We'll stay at 18.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: chren21 on February 17, 2013, 07:15:54 AM
So true, but some will never understand! We'll stay at 18.

Funny how we are ranked, so is Pitt and we still get axed from sportscenter. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 17, 2013, 08:59:48 AM
I could see 17 with Pitt dropping to 18. Everyone else immediately ahead of MU should stay. OK State had a nice overtime win and Georgetown will go up.
This makes the most sense to me.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Sunbelt15 on February 17, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
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Funny how we are ranked, so is Pitt and we still get axed from sportscenter. 

So what. It still helps to tell potential recruits our past and present rankings. Shows a sign of good coaching and talent assembled.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 17, 2013, 09:28:17 AM
Funny how we are ranked, so is Pitt and we still get axed from sportscenter. 

Lots going on on a Saturday.  Recruits will have to settle watching us beat a ranked team in front of 17,000 on CBS!

And the little number next to our name means sportscenter coverage for Seton Hall Tuesday night.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 17, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
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So what. It still helps to tell potential recruits our past and present rankings. Shows a sign of good coaching and talent assembled.

But, but, but, MID-MAJOR PLAYERS!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Damiononthedock on February 17, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
got axed from sportscenter because they played on cbs.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: BallBoy on February 17, 2013, 01:41:47 PM
got axed from sportscenter because they played on cbs.

Don't know what you guys mean by axed.  MU has been on every sports center with full highlights since we won.  I was watching sports center at the gym this morning and saw the highlights twice. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: chren21 on February 17, 2013, 04:29:51 PM
They must run a different in the south then whereever you are then. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 17, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
They must run a different in the south then whereever you are then. 
I am in the south and saw it this morning too.  Called out as "Big East Showdown" in the scroll on the left.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 17, 2013, 10:07:31 PM
Ranked 12th in Seth Davis' top 25. He didn't even have MU in his top 25 until last week. It looks like we did some convincing this weekend as he covers the CBS games.

Ranked 16th in Parrish and Goodman's top 25.

17 or higher is looking likely.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: BM1090 on February 17, 2013, 10:10:59 PM
Could see a decent jump if Seth Davis ballot is indicative of the rest of the voters thought process. He had us at 23 last week. Up to 12 as of tonight.

Edit: Beat me to it. Pretty promising (as far as polls go, anyways)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 17, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
Hopefully that jackass who didn't have either Marquette or Georgetown in his poll last week will add both schools.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 17, 2013, 10:54:09 PM
Ranked 12th in Seth Davis' top 25. He didn't even have MU in his top 25 until last week. It looks like we did some convincing this weekend as he covers the CBS games.

Ranked 16th in Parrish and Goodman's top 25.

17 or higher is looking likely.

Interesting that Davis works for CBS and as soon as we win a CBS game, we make a huge jump in his poll.  Could he really be that lazy (that he does no research and only votes for what is put in front him ... as in the CBS games)?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/11/13
Post by: buckchuckler on February 17, 2013, 11:57:02 PM
You are going to make me look up something regarding the f'ng badgers?

@ Indiana - Duh
vs Michigan - Duh
vs Illinois (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
vs Minnesota (ranked #12 at the time) - Better
@ Illinois -  Better than @ Pitt. (Pitt without Woodall is not that great of a win)

Our best wins are @ Pitt (unranked) and home against Georgetown (#15 at the time).

It's not even close who has the better wins.

You're messing with us right?  You can't really think that Minnesota is a better team than Georgetown, can you?  Minnesota has lost 7 of their last 10 (wins against Wiscy, Iowa and Nebraska), including getting destroyed at Iowa today.  Gtown has won 9 of their last 10, with wins over MU, Louisville, and ND in that span.  Two teams going opposite directions. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Pakuni on February 18, 2013, 10:05:31 AM
#14 in the ESPN power rankings. One of three with the week's biggest jump (five spots, along with Georgetown and Okie State).

Also of note:
#8 Syracuse
#9 Louisville
#11 G'Town
#18 Butler
#19 Pitt
#22 VCU
#25 St. Louis

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/season/2013/week/16
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2013, 10:39:38 AM
We are 14 and tOSU is 21.  If we rescheduled the Carrier Classic for this week, would we now be favored?  :)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: MUfan12 on February 18, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
17th in the AP poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2013, 11:22:23 AM
17th in the AP poll.


RK   TEAM   RECORD   PTS
1   Indiana (43) 23-3   1,597
2   Miami (FL) (20) 21-3   1,571
3   Gonzaga (2)  25-2 1,428
4   Michigan State  22-4  1,416
5   Florida  21-3  1,387   
6   Duke   22-3   1,308
7   Michigan   22-4   1,264
8   Syracuse   21-4   1,125
9   Kansas   21-4   1,077
10 Louisville 21-5  1,011
11 Georgetown 19-4   952
12 Arizona   21-4   924
13 Kansas State   20-5   848
14 Oklahoma State  19-5  786
15 Butler 21-5  659
16 New Mexico 22-4   654
17 Marquette 18-6   524
18 Ohio State 18-7 458
19 Wisconsin 18-8 406
20 Pittsburgh 20-6 370
21 Memphis 22-3 362
22 Colorado State 21-4 307
23 Oregon 21-5 216
24 Virginia Commonwealth 21-5   123
25 Notre Dame 20-6   79

Others receiving votes: Saint Louis 58, Minnesota 52, Louisiana Tech 48, Illinois 46, Cincinnati 20, North Carolina State 20, Akron 16, Missouri 4, Middle Tennessee 3, Saint Mary's 2, Maryland 2, Creighton 1, Wichita State 1
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Stronghold on February 18, 2013, 11:31:10 AM
We are the highest 6 loss team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
A couple of thoughts about above ....

Gonzaga #3, is this their highest ranking ever?  #1 this season is not out of the question, especially if MSU beats IU tomorrow and Miami loses at Duke March 2.

Of out six losses, four are ranked ahead of us (#5 Fla, #10 'ville, #11 G-town, #15 Butler).  The other two are Cincy (other receiving votes) and UWGB (ughh!)  All six losses were away or neutral (Butler).  All-in-all not too much to be ashamed of (if you can get past UWGB but most teams have one of these)

If Butler's Clark missed his last shot, and Jake Thomas hits his last shot at UWGB, and everything else is the same, we are 20-4.  With that record we would probably be a top 10 team.  Point here is that is how close we were to top 10 this year.  In fact win the next four (@SH, @'nova, Home 'cuse, home ND), which is not easy and we could still see a top 10 ranking this year.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Coleman on February 18, 2013, 11:35:28 AM
A couple of thoughts about above ....

Gonzaga #3, is this their highest ranking ever?  #1 this season is not out of the question, especially if MSU beats IU tomorrow and Miami loses at Duke March 2.



Tied for best ever. They hit #3 in 2004.  MSU vs. IU is a huge game tomorrow. I think Zags have a great chance for a 1 seed, if not overall #1.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: 4everCrean on February 18, 2013, 12:03:51 PM
Despite all the hand wringing by some, Marquette is ranked ahead of both Wisconsin and Pitt.  (also, Ohio State)

SLU is the last team out of the top 25.  No votes for Xavier or Dayton, just 1 for Creighton.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
Tied for best ever. They hit #3 in 2004.  MSU vs. IU is a huge game tomorrow. I think Zags have a great chance for a 1 seed, if not overall #1.

It would be a travesty if it happened.  They are not the #1 team in the country.  They have slid up because the function of the polls is so spectacularly stupid.  In most cases when you lose, you drop in the polls...they don't care who you play.  There are exceptions, as happened two weeks ago, but extremely rare. Meanwhile, if you play in a bad conference and keep on winning you keep eeking up.  If Gonzaga is a number 1 seed, especially the overall number 1 seed, please God put Marquette in that bracket.  

They are #10 in Sagarin
#11 in RPI
#6 in Ken Pom

Rewarding a team as the #1 overall seed for playing the 75th toughest schedule...that would be something.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: 4everCrean on February 18, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
We are the highest 6 loss team.

And we are responsible for two losses by the next highest ranked six loss team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2013, 12:17:24 PM

If Butler's Clark missed his last shot, and Jake Thomas hits his last shot at UWGB and everything else is the same and if we beat North Carolina and Illinois instead of getting to feast on patsies in the Maui loser's bracket, we are 20-4.

Fixed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2013, 12:21:05 PM
Despite all the hand wringing by some, Marquette is ranked ahead of both Wisconsin and Pitt.  (also, Ohio State)

SLU is the last team out of the top 25.  No votes for Xavier or Dayton, just 1 for Creighton.

Must admit I'm a little surprised to see Ohio State still ranked ahead of Wisconsin, which has better wins this season and which just beat OSU by a jillion points.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: jsglow on February 18, 2013, 12:50:31 PM
A couple of thoughts about above ....

In fact win the next four (@SH, @'nova, Home 'cuse, home ND), which is not easy and we could still see a top 10 ranking this year.

Concur, certainly a shot depending on others.  I'd also be pretty comfortable we'd be sitting squarely on the #3 seed line.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: JD on February 18, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
Not sure about ya'll but this would be a dream to me....

http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Bracketology11.jpg
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Coleman on February 18, 2013, 01:19:18 PM
It would be a travesty if it happened.  They are not the #1 team in the country.  They have slid up because the function of the polls is so spectacularly stupid.  In most cases when you lose, you drop in the polls...they don't care who you play.  There are exceptions, as happened two weeks ago, but extremely rare. Meanwhile, if you play in a bad conference and keep on winning you keep eeking up.  If Gonzaga is a number 1 seed, especially the overall number 1 seed, please God put Marquette in that bracket.  

They are #10 in Sagarin
#11 in RPI
#6 in Ken Pom

Rewarding a team as the #1 overall seed for playing the 75th toughest schedule...that would be something.


Don't understand the hate. Really, a travesty? Quite a bit of hyperbole. They did everything the committee asked. Scheduled an incredibly tough non-con schedule, and are the only team left with 2 losses. If they win out and win the WCC tournament I don't see how you don't give them a well-deserved 1 seed. Have you actually watched this team play? They play like a 1 seed, and frankly, there just aren't elite teams in college basketball this year. The Zags may not be a 1 seed most years, but who deserves it over them this year? Exactly what else could they have done to meet your specifications?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 18, 2013, 01:20:43 PM
After going .500 last week, moving  up one spot is a nice reward.  More than I expected.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
Don't understand the hate. Really, a travesty? Quite a bit of hyperbole. They did everything the committee asked. Scheduled an incredibly tough non-con schedule, and are the only team left with 2 losses. If they win out and win the WCC tournament I don't see how you don't give them a well-deserved 1 seed. Have you actually watched this team play? They play like a 1 seed, and frankly, there just aren't elite teams in college basketball this year. The Zags may not be a 1 seed most years, but who deserves it over them this year? Exactly what else could they have done to meet your specifications?

Touche...travesty is too much.  I don't hate Gonzaga, actually like Few a lot and think their program is solid.  The point of seeding the tournament is to give an equal (or approximate) path to the championship based on seedings.  In my view, a #1 (especially overall #1) for Gonzaga would mean whomever is in their bracket has an easier chance to reach the Final Four than any other school that has to be in a true region with a true #1 caliber team. 

This is a team that struggled to beat San Francisco the other day.  When they have been tested, they lost to Illinois at home, lost to Butler, got a couple of gifts like beating Washington State by 2 points, San Diego by 2 points, and a Oklahoma State game in which they won by one because the Cowboys missed two free throws with under 10 seconds.  It's one of those situations where they have been tested so few times this year vs other programs that they'll back into a #1 because they have so few opportunities to lose.

I just hope Marquette is in their bracket.  If IU finishes as a two or a three seed, I pray they are in Gonzaga's #1 seed bracket as well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2013, 03:52:48 PM
Tied for best ever. They hit #3 in 2004.  MSU vs. IU is a huge game tomorrow. I think Zags have a great chance for a 1 seed, if not overall #1.

Oladipo might not play tomorrow for IU...if he doesn't, no chance for IU.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2013, 03:56:41 PM
Oladipo might not play tomorrow for IU...if he doesn't, no chance for IU.

He is playing according to CTC...unless this is gamesmanship which is possible.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2013/02/18/indiana-victor-oladipo/1927827/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
He is playing according to CTC...unless this is gamesmanship which is possible.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2013/02/18/indiana-victor-oladipo/1927827/

Thanks...as of this morning ESPN was saying it was up in the air.  Looks like that article just came out.  Hopefully he is 100%, but unlikely.  He's the critical piece on that team...not bad for a 3 star player...I guess he was developed over the years.   ;)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Coleman on February 18, 2013, 04:23:35 PM

This is a team that struggled to beat San Francisco the other day.  When they have been tested, they lost to Illinois at home, lost to Butler, got a couple of gifts like beating Washington State by 2 points, San Diego by 2 points, and a Oklahoma State game in which they won by one because the Cowboys missed two free throws with under 10 seconds.  It's one of those situations where they have been tested so few times this year vs other programs that they'll back into a #1 because they have so few opportunities to lose.


As of right now, I don't think they are deserving of an overall #1, and even if they win out that's probably still not the case. But 3rd or 4th #1? Yes. Again, who deserves it more than them? All your points about their close calls are well taken but again I ask you who in college basketball has an unstained resume this year? Who has clearly been a step above Gonzaga? The bottom line is they have won close games, have no bad losses, and only two losses overall to two good teams. I don't think you can hold a few close calls against them. They won them, and every one of their games in the WCC is their opponents' Super Bowl. They have the biggest target on their back out of any team in the country for conference play.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 18, 2013, 04:42:24 PM
So far IU, Duke, Louisville and Michigan have been #1 this season ... four different teams.

If IU loses to MSU tomorrow night, we could have a fifth ... Miami (all else equal).  If Miami loses at Duke March 2, we could have a sixth ... Gonzaga (again, all else equal).

What is the record number of teams at #1 for a season?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: jesmu84 on February 24, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Seth Davis has MU down to 21.

GTown #7
Cuse #10
Louis #13
Wisc #15
SLU #18
Butler #24

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/305856992742883328
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/305857129057755136
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 24, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
Seth Davis has MU down to 21.

GTown #7
Cuse #10
Louis #13
Wisc #15
SLU #18
Butler #24

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/305856992742883328
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/305857129057755136

20 on Goodman and Parrish's.

21-23 is looking likely.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: real chili 83 on February 24, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
Who give a rats a$$ this week. We gots mo impotant things at hand....

Gotta take care of business.  Destroy orange, and beat the shamrocks out of those pretentious, mouth breathing, good for nothing, phony arse, lying, dirty dog, egg sucking, baby hatin' Obama lovin ;D, pinko communist, squinty eyed, smelly, dirt eatin', leach suckin', hairy armpit women lovin', butt kissin', wanna be's, fouled mouthed, rat lovin' Domers.

Take care of bidness, and we are top 15 a week from Monday.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 24, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
Who give a rats a$$ this week. We gots mo impotant things at hand....

Gotta take care of business.  Destroy orange, and beat the shamrocks out of those pretentious, mouth breathing, good for nothing, phony arse, lying, dirty dog, egg sucking, baby hatin' Obama lovin ;D, pinko communist, squinty eyed, smelly, dirt eatin', leach suckin', hairy armpit women lovin', butt kissin', wanna be's, fouled mouthed, rat lovin' Domers.

Take care of bidness, and we are top 15 a week from Monday.



No doubt about it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
Just about everybody around us in the rankings won. Plus, unlike last week when we lost early but won late, this week we won early and lost late. Add it all up and we fall a few spots. Which sounds about right.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 24, 2013, 10:18:33 PM
No doubt about it.

+1  This week's ranking is a temporary stop to next week's rank given the next two games we have ... good or bad.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 25, 2013, 11:34:23 AM
#22 in Coaches' Poll.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 25, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
#22 in Coaches' Poll.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
#22 in AP, too.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 25, 2013, 11:54:57 AM
and guess who took our spot at 17 this week?   Bucky

Again, 2-0 this week and we are top 15.  0-2 this week (2 home losses) and we are out of the top 25.  So, this week is just a pause in a larger move next week.

Cuse #12
ND #21
MU #22
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Windyplayer on February 25, 2013, 12:39:26 PM
ND #21
MU #22
I like this.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: MU82 on February 25, 2013, 02:19:41 PM
22 seems fair enough.
 
Can make a nice move this week. Or a not-so-nice move in the other direction. Or stay about the same.

2 home games against good teams. Time to take care of bidness.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: RawdogDX on February 25, 2013, 02:29:01 PM
Could you people who don't care just post once (about how you don't care) and not come back.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/4/13
Post by: Retire54 on March 02, 2013, 04:03:36 PM
Two ranked teams go down to the hands of the Warriors--

(21) ND, (20) Butler and (19) Memphis all lost ahead of us. (12) Syracuse might fall beneath us due to the 2 losses this week. If (11) Arizona loses to UCLA tonight, they might fall beneath us (lost to USC earlier this week). Hopefully jump Wisconsin.

Really hoping for around 15-16
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/4/13
Post by: EnderWiggen on March 02, 2013, 04:04:47 PM
Two ranked teams go down to the hands of the Warriors--

(21) ND, (20) Butler and (19) Memphis all lost ahead of us. (12) Syracuse might fall beneath us due to the 2 losses this week. If (11) Arizona loses to UCLA tonight, they might fall beneath us (lost to USC earlier this week). Hopefully jump Wisconsin.

Really hoping for around 15-16

Seems reasonable, but my gut says 16-17.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Sunbelt15 on March 02, 2013, 04:20:43 PM
15
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: keefe on March 02, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
14
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on March 02, 2013, 04:23:53 PM
I'm saying 15. 2 nationally televised wins will draw some attention.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: Archies Bat on March 02, 2013, 04:25:14 PM
14
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: keefe on March 02, 2013, 04:29:47 PM
I'm saying 15. 2 nationally televised wins will draw some attention.

I thought we lost on National TV?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/25/13
Post by: MU89PuertoRico on March 02, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
16
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2013, 05:56:36 PM
13 on Goodman / Parrish top 25 and one.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: dgies9156 on March 03, 2013, 06:06:01 PM
11  - big leap coming
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Goose on March 03, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
16
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: MU82 on March 03, 2013, 06:09:39 PM
15-ish seems about right.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 2/18/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 03, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Who give a rats a$$ this week. We gots mo impotant things at hand....

Gotta take care of business.  Destroy orange, and beat the shamrocks out of those pretentious, mouth breathing, good for nothing, phony arse, lying, dirty dog, egg sucking, baby hatin' Obama lovin ;D, pinko communist, squinty eyed, smelly, dirt eatin', leach suckin', hairy armpit women lovin', butt kissin', wanna be's, fouled mouthed, rat lovin' Domers.

Take care of bidness, and we are top 15 a week from Monday.



Well, the team did its part...lets see if the voters do theirs...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 03, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
17
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 03, 2013, 07:25:21 PM
13 on Goodman / Parrish top 25 and one.

Looking at Goodman's top 25, we are:

5-0 against top 13 to 25 (Bucky[24], Pitt 2x [22], ND[21], Syracuse [16]); and
1-3 against top 12 [Florida[12], Louisville[8], Georgetown [5]).  

Ohio State 15.  Had 9, would have had 10 games vs. current top 25. [Butler and UConn now out].

 Not too shabby.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 03, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
18?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Daniel on March 03, 2013, 08:42:08 PM
I'm guessing 16-17.  That would be a big jump.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: radome on March 03, 2013, 08:47:49 PM
13 on Goodman / Parrish top 25 and one.
Wow, a bit generous. I can't imagine the AP or Coach's Poll anything better than about 15.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2013, 10:08:17 PM
Seth Davis has us at 17.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: chapman on March 04, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
Seth Davis has us at 17.

Would expect that'll be the lowest we'll see.  Must have been hard for him.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: ATWizJr on March 04, 2013, 08:54:07 AM
15.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: MUMonster03 on March 04, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
The three teams directly ahead of us lost this last week along with Wisconsin and Syracuse and Arizona had double loss weeks.

I think we will be 16.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: MUWarrior4Life on March 04, 2013, 09:34:20 AM
15
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 04, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
15 writers/15 coaches. I think this week made believers out of some coaches (or their assistants...who fill out their top 25 list)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: jmayer1 on March 04, 2013, 09:39:54 AM
16 in both.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: real chili 83 on March 04, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
I'm saying 15.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: MUfan12 on March 04, 2013, 10:43:53 AM
I'm saying 15.

And you would be correct. 15th in the AP Poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Pakuni on March 04, 2013, 10:55:23 AM
Up to 15 in the ESPN power rankings.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/season/2013/week/18
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Windyplayer on March 04, 2013, 10:59:51 AM
Wow, I thought #15 would be a pipe dream. Beautiful.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Warriors10 on March 04, 2013, 11:04:40 AM
GT got 2 first place votes...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: Windyplayer on March 04, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
#17 in the Coaches' Poll. Somehow Cuse is one spot ahead of us.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: chapman on March 04, 2013, 01:03:59 PM
Screw the coaches.  Better RPI, record, conference record, haven't lost 4 out of 5 road games and 2 home games in a row.   
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on March 04, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
7 losses is a lot to over-come. Can't really complain with anyone ahead of us besides the Cuse
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: wadesworld on March 09, 2013, 11:53:55 PM
12
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: chapman on March 10, 2013, 12:04:36 AM
Yep, 12.  Leap OK State, KSU, New Mexico in the AP.  And SLU and Cuse in the Coach's Poll; knowing that one they'll probably have us at 15 with the first three mentioned still ahead.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 10, 2013, 09:36:58 AM
Lucky 13.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 10, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
13 unless tOSU loses at home to Illinois (then 12)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 10, 2013, 09:48:43 PM
Seth Davis has us at 14.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: ATWizJr on March 10, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
7 losses is a lot to over-come. Can't really complain with anyone ahead of us besides the Cuse
How many losses did Al's championship team have?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: ATWizJr on March 10, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
BTW,  we'll be 13 tomorrow.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: martyconlonontherun on March 10, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
How many losses did Al's championship team have?

That wasn't a shot at MU, just that its Really hard to be ranked high when you have 2-3 more losses that the team your trying to jump. This thread is about ranking and I was responding to that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/3/13
Post by: keefe on March 11, 2013, 12:17:14 AM
How many losses did Al's championship team have?

7. Virtually al towards the end of the season. It looked bad for Marquette. There was a sense we wouldn't get an invite. Some believe it took a great first half against #1 Michigan in the last game of the season in order for us to get the bid. It was probably Al's worst regular season in the 70's. He complemented that with his best post season of that decade. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: Goose on March 11, 2013, 12:38:19 AM
Keefe

We actually went a pretty good run after losing final three home games. Couple of big road wins prior to Michigan game. We had five home losses that season and bad road loss to Cincy and otherwise played great on the road. Hands down the most losses for NC team up to that point. I think we were getting in without having lead at Michigan, but it definitely helped.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: keefe on March 11, 2013, 03:26:38 AM
Keefe

We actually went a pretty good run after losing final three home games. Couple of big road wins prior to Michigan game. We had five home losses that season and bad road loss to Cincy and otherwise played great on the road. Hands down the most losses for NC team up to that point. I think we were getting in without having lead at Michigan, but it definitely helped.


I remember that. We lost consecutive games at home to DePaul, Detroit and Wichita before winning a few games leading up to Michigan. I went to the game at Wisconsin which was our first win in a few weeks. That game was at their old barn of a facility - I think it was called the Fieldhouse. I know it was the night before a Calculus exam but there was no question about going to the game. Back then we used to play Wisconsin in the old Milwaukee Classic as well as in alternating home games. The crowd in Madison was loud but it wasn't put off by the presence of several dozen MU people. It seems the rivalry has gotten more venomous over the years. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2013, 06:38:06 AM
The Warriors finished the regular season with 5 road games after the lost at home to Wichita State. Beat UW by 15, then Virginia Tech, Tulane, and Creighton before losin' in Ann Arbor on national TV.
The road to the FF at the Omni started in Omaha vs. Cincinnati, then to Oklahoma City vs. Kansas St. and Wake Forest.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2013, 06:43:17 AM
I'll go high...11 in the AP, 12 in the Coaches.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: nyg on March 11, 2013, 06:52:45 AM
12 and 13
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: klyrish on March 11, 2013, 12:03:54 PM
13 in the USA Today poll.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: klyrish on March 11, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
12 in the AP poll

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: jeffreyweee on March 11, 2013, 12:19:48 PM
I want that BET win over Louisville so bad. Sick of getting smothered by them.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: 4th and State on March 11, 2013, 12:31:41 PM
What a difference a few months make.  Who would've thought we'd be ranked above Florida at any point this season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: Windyplayer on March 11, 2013, 12:48:43 PM
What a difference a few months make.  Who would've thought we'd be ranked above Florida at any point this season.
Never in a million years.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 11, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
Within a whisker of 11.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 11, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Win BET, crack top 10? Yowser!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
Also 12 in NCAA's own RPI.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: JWags85 on March 11, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Could Michigan be anymore overrated?  Other than squeaking out a home win in a rivalry game with MSU, they haven't beaten anyone good since early February and lost to Wisconsin, Indiana, MSU, and PENN STATE yet they are still 6 in the AP poll?  What a joke.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: Pakuni on March 12, 2013, 10:21:08 PM
Marquette all the way up to #6 in Sports Illustrated's new power rankings.
(with cool GIF included)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130312/college-basketball-power-rankings/index.html?sct=hp_t12_a4&eref=sihp

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201303/130312.06.gif)

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: real chili 83 on March 17, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
12 based on our 3 seed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: tower912 on March 17, 2013, 05:50:32 PM
Who cares what we are ranked.   The committee says we are a 3 seed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 17, 2013, 06:42:28 PM
Kenosha cares. Had we beaten Virginia, we'd be a 2 seed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: tower912 on March 17, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
I thought it was the K-State scrimmage all of those years ago that is keeping us off the 2 line this year.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on March 17, 2013, 06:55:25 PM
I thought it was the K-State scrimmage all of those years ago that is keeping us off the 2 line this year.

Beasley had what...70+ against us, right?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: real chili 83 on March 18, 2013, 05:40:45 PM
15/16 today.

No votes votes for Davidson.

How could that be?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: ATWizJr on March 18, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
Who cares what we are ranked.   The committee says we are a 3 seed.
exactly!  only one more poll that matters.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: kira67 on March 30, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
We should start next season in the Top 10 (Top 5?) with Blue, Wilson and Gardner coming back and three Top 60 recruits.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/18/13
Post by: Coleman on April 01, 2013, 04:59:59 PM
I think we finish this season around 10, and start next year about the same
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on July 20, 2013, 09:49:17 PM
The scoop poll this week on scoop says 15.

I think they underestimate the Ox.

Fear the Ox.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: real chili 83 on October 24, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
Coaches poll has us at 17.  No other BE teams in top 25.

We are ranked above ND and Becky.  Ha ha.

No love for BE from coaches.  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Will be curious to see what AP says whe it comes out....for comparison to coaches.

And yes, preseason polls are pretty meaningless, except as fodder for meaningless posts like this one.  ;)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on October 24, 2013, 08:02:28 AM
Creighton at 28, G'town at 31 and Nova rec'd a few votes.

Gonzaga and VCU just ahead of us.  SLU mentioned in others.  No Dayton. :o
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: Tugg Speedman on October 24, 2013, 08:29:44 AM
Old BE teams pre-season ranked

# 3 Louisville
# 7 Syracuse
#17 Marquette
# 19 Uconn
#22 Notre Dame

If the old Big East was still together, wouldn't this be a disappointing start?  I seem to recall years where the old BE had 10 teams ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: Coleman on October 24, 2013, 09:03:36 AM
Old BE teams pre-season ranked

# 3 Louisville
# 7 Syracuse
#17 Marquette
# 19 Uconn
#22 Notre Dame

If the old Big East was still together, wouldn't this be a disappointing start?  I seem to recall years where the old BE had 10 teams ranked.

I don't ever recall 10 ranked Big East teams...ever.

10 or 11 in the tournament, sure, but not ranked.

I think the above listing would be a pretty average start to the old Big East. Not surprisingly fantastic, perhaps slightly disappointing, but certainly within the range of expectations.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: Coleman on October 24, 2013, 09:12:28 AM
Did a little homework on preseason rankings since we joined the BE (USA Today Coaches...what we have out now)

2005-2006..... 5 teams ranked
2006-2007..... 5 teams
2007-2008..... 5 teams
2008-2009..... 7 teams
2009-2010..... 6 teams
2010-2011..... 4 teams
2011-2012..... 6 teams
2012-2013..... 4 teams


So never more than 7, and an average of 5.

This year's rankings would be exactly in line with the old Conference.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 3/10/13
Post by: MUMountin on October 24, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
Marquette all the way up to #6 in Sports Illustrated's new power rankings.
(with cool GIF included)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130312/college-basketball-power-rankings/index.html?sct=hp_t12_a4&eref=sihp

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201303/130312.06.gif)



Totally off-topic, but this caught my eye when I opened the thread--I absolutely love watching this play loop over and over again.  I love that there were basically four ways we could have won--Vander nailing the layup, Jamil or Lockett with the high tip back, or Ox sitting and waiting for one of his patented under-the-hoop, how-the-heck-did-he-get-a-hand-on-that tip.  Great play Buzz. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: real chili 83 on October 31, 2013, 10:14:12 PM
AP is same as coache's poll.  Still ahead of ND and Becky.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/polls/

Old BE is well rated.  New BE very under rated.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 11:26:44 PM
AP is same as coache's poll.  Still ahead of ND and Becky.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/polls/

Old BE is well rated.  New BE very under rated.

It's a preseason poll where 90% of this stuff is garbage.  They're voting on name, what they think is coming back, etc.  Means nothing.  A poll in January is where they should start. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: keefe on October 31, 2013, 11:34:57 PM
It's a preseason poll where 90% of this stuff is garbage.  They're voting on name, what they think is coming back, etc.  Means nothing.  A poll in January is where they should start. 

Last year being the exception. Inferior coaching betrayed superior talent, including two NBA Lottery draft picks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: jeffreyweee on October 31, 2013, 11:43:30 PM
It's a preseason poll where 90% of this stuff is garbage.  They're voting on name, what they think is coming back, etc.  Means nothing.  A poll in January is where they should start. 

It's pretty well established that the preseason poll is a better predictor of tournament success than the last poll before the tournament.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 11:58:06 PM
It's pretty well established that the preseason poll is a better predictor of tournament success than the last poll before the tournament.

I'll disagree, but if you can link an article or two on this established fact I would like to read it?   I'll take that bet, considering a bunch of the teams in the preseason poll don't even make the NCAA tournament, let alone win a game in it. 

Now, I know Ken Pom and others will say the preseason top team tends to do well in the tournament and maybe that's what you mean, but I'm talking about the entire poll, not the top team.  But he also says, "In so much as tournament performance is indicative of which team is best, which we know is not always the case, but over 21 years the final poll should have a leg up on the pre-season poll."  I thought I would underline another part...another expert saying the winner of the NCAA tournament isn't always the best team....  ;D 

If we take the top 25 and those receiving votes (meaning some writer somewhere said that team is 25th or better in the country) and looked at how they did in the NCAA tournament vs the final poll before the tournament.  I'm guessing it wouldn't be the case because 99.9% of the top 25 at the end of the year will make the tournament as will about 95% of those receiving votes.  For the preseason poll, about 80% will make the tournament and only about 50% of those receiving votes.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/11/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 10, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
NM.

Say, has anyone been to the Broken Yolk?  ;)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 10, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
17.  No movement this week from what I can tell

Next Monday, 11/18, will be real interesting........

By the way, ND sucks. Congrats to Pitt.  Revenge for last year's theft by ABC's refs.

Just hijacked my own thread.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: Coleman on November 10, 2013, 05:02:33 PM
17.  No movement this week from what I can tell

Next Monday, 11/18, will be real interesting........

By the way, ND sucks. Congrats to Pitt.  Revenge for last year's theft by the ABC refs.

Just hijacked my own thread.

I could be wrong but from a cursory glance I don't think any ranked team lost on opening weekend. Everything should stay the same
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 10/28/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 11, 2013, 12:15:30 PM
I could be wrong but from a cursory glance I don't think any ranked team lost on opening weekend. Everything should stay the same

Interesting...no one lost in the top 25, but Ohio State moves from 11th up to 10th, trading places with Florida.

It will be very nice if we pick off a top ten team this early in the season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 17, 2013, 09:01:16 AM
Drop to #23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on November 17, 2013, 09:13:36 AM
Glad we're still in the top 25. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: chapman on November 17, 2013, 09:54:36 AM
Someone's going to vote for us?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 17, 2013, 10:15:37 AM
Shows how stupid and uninformed the voters are and how meaningless the polls are.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: DUNKS45 on November 17, 2013, 10:35:51 AM
four assists, that's brutal. I like Wilson but he just can't shoot. I know Buzz will turn it around
by March, but that second half was hard to watch, just like Syracuse last year. Look for them to
play well on the west coast.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: Sunbelt15 on November 17, 2013, 06:41:37 PM
21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: Desert_warrior on November 18, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
AP has Marquette at 25. Creighton at 23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: jsglow on November 18, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
AP has Marquette at 25. Creighton at 23.

A good win Thursday followed by a solid victory over ASU on the road and we start our climb back up.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: Coleman on November 18, 2013, 01:11:06 PM
Villanova and Xaiver 33 and 34 in votes, respectively.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: MUfan12 on November 18, 2013, 01:14:28 PM
MU drops out of the Coaches Poll. Iowa gets in at 25 with wins over MD Eastern Shore and Abilene Christian.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 18, 2013, 03:09:52 PM
MU drops out of the Coaches Poll. Iowa gets in at 25 with wins over MD Eastern Shore and Abilene Christian.

Iowa might finish 4th in the conference this year.  They have some nice, veteran players that were close last year, but will put them in the NCAAs this year if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: Coleman on November 18, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
Iowa might finish 4th in the conference this year.  They have some nice, veteran players that were close last year, but will put them in the NCAAs this year if they stay healthy.

Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin.

Which two teams is Iowa better than?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: MUMountin on November 18, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
A good win Thursday followed by a solid victory over ASU on the road and we start our climb back up.

Seems about right--a loss like that at home raises a lot of questions about how good this team is.  But, still given the benefit of the doubt to hang in the Top 25 to demonstrate that we belong there.  ASU game is pretty big for righting the ship--both for the team itself and the polls.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 18, 2013, 05:10:11 PM
Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin.

Which two teams is Iowa better than?

Indiana and Wisconsin
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/18/13
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2013, 05:39:05 PM
Glad we stayed in at 25. I like being on the crawl.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 24, 2013, 10:42:53 PM
I say 25.

Creighton rolls to 4-0.  VCU, Michigan, and Louisville lose.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 25, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
MU stays at #25 in today's AP.  Creighton up to #20.  UMASS sneaks in at #24.  ASU #34 in votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
Surprised but glad we stayed ranked. Hopefully, we will justify that ranking this week, starting tonight.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: MUMountin on November 25, 2013, 12:30:50 PM
Surprised but glad we stayed ranked. Hopefully, we will justify that ranking this week, starting tonight.

I'm only surprised because of the collective uncertainty around the team.  Thankfully (or not), the voters rarely drop a team unless they actually lose during a particular week.  My guess is that we need to win out this week to stay ranked. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 25, 2013, 12:43:30 PM
I'm only surprised because of the collective uncertainty around the team.  Thankfully (or not), the voters rarely drop a team unless they actually lose during a particular week.  My guess is that we need to win out this week to stay ranked. 

Remain on the outside looking in for the Coaches Poll. Went from 26 last week to 28 this week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: real chili 83 on November 25, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
Hunt had three BE teams in his top 25.  Atta boy Mike!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: 4everCrean on November 25, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
I'm only surprised because of the collective uncertainty around the team.  Thankfully (or not), the voters rarely drop a team unless they actually lose during a particular week.  My guess is that we need to win out this week to stay ranked. 

Ahhh... good guess.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: RideMyBuycks on November 29, 2013, 05:06:47 PM
I think we stay at 25 in the AP if we draw Creighton on Sunday and take em down. This is starting to look like a team that belongs in the rankings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2013, 05:25:33 PM
Yeah pretty simple here. Beat Creighton stay ranked right around 25

Lose and we are down a ways on others receiving votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: RideMyBuycks on November 29, 2013, 10:54:54 PM
Not sure it matters now. I think we'll be unranked either way.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: brewcity77 on November 29, 2013, 11:14:17 PM
Not sure it matters now. I think we'll be unranked either way.

If we're ranked, it'll be right around where we're at now. San Diego State's only loss is to the Arizona team that took out Duke today. Of course, the win looks less impressive when balloters see they have a 4-2 record, never mind that the only losses would be Arizona and us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: chren21 on November 30, 2013, 07:29:45 AM
Will the BE even have a ranked team?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: CTWarrior on November 30, 2013, 07:33:12 AM
Will the BE even have a ranked team?
After beating Kansas, I think 6-0 Villanova has a good shot at being ranked.  Definitely if they beat Iowa today.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/25/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on November 30, 2013, 08:39:37 AM
BE will have those 3 teams bunched 23-27. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: real chili 83 on December 02, 2013, 01:23:15 PM
No where to be found.  Very understandable with 2 losses.

A victory on Saturday should get us back on the radar.

Congrats to Villanova for moving to 14th.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: MU82 on December 02, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
Didn't get a single vote. Nor should we have. Also 108th in RPI ... and though that obviously will improve gradually, this hasn't been the greatest 24 hours in recent MU hoops history.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: Windyplayer on December 02, 2013, 01:42:51 PM
Didn't get a single vote. Nor should we have. Also 108th in RPI ... and though that obviously will improve gradually, this hasn't been the greatest 24 hours in recent MU hoops history.
Buzz has re-discovered the "chip." Time to roll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: willie warrior on December 02, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
108 in RPI speaks volumes to our prior overrated status. Hope we do improve.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on December 02, 2013, 02:41:08 PM
San Diego St and...wait for it...Dayton  :'( now ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: MUfan12 on December 02, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
108 in RPI speaks volumes to our prior overrated status. Hope we do improve.

RPI doesn't mean much until conference play starts.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: MU82 on December 02, 2013, 04:14:34 PM
Buzz has re-discovered the "chip." Time to roll.

If only it were as easy as getting a chip on one's shoulder, we wouldn't have lost since the national bashing we took following the Ohio State game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: chapman on December 02, 2013, 04:38:34 PM
Was wondering how the hell someone voted for Xavier in the AP poll.  Parrish was on top of it in his Poll Attacks.  Good thing he retired when he did, he's gone senile.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24315378/poll-attacks-gary-williams-is-an-ap-voter
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: Markusquette on December 02, 2013, 05:51:01 PM
Well, we shouldn't have been at 25 for a while.  Kind of embarrassing being ranked when we all know it isn't deserved. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/2/13
Post by: willie warrior on December 02, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
Was wondering how the hell someone voted for Xavier in the AP poll.  Parrish was on top of it in his Poll Attacks.  Good thing he retired when he did, he's gone senile.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24315378/poll-attacks-gary-williams-is-an-ap-voter
They were probably voting for Xavier Thames who burned us big time.
Title: Re: CHICOS, so....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/3/14
Post by: real chili 83 on April 08, 2014, 08:24:43 AM
Just effin with you Chicos.   ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: real chili 83 on April 16, 2015, 06:30:25 AM
I say 20th. ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 12, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
Bump. I think we get votes for the first time in god knows how long.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2015, 02:48:47 PM
We may well get a vote or two. Doubt we get ranked, especially since UW-Madison started the week losing to Milwaukee, but a couple votes could be coming our way.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
Regardless, we will be ranked behind Ben Simmons!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: warriorchick on December 12, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
Bump. I think we get votes for the first time in god knows how long.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   :)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 12, 2015, 02:52:02 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   :)

Hell, Northwestern got 2 votes and their best win is against VT. I think we snag a vote from Matty V.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: warriorchick on December 12, 2015, 02:53:59 PM
Hell, Northwestern got 2 votes and their best win is against VT. I think we snag a vote from Matty V.

Just don't flame him if he doesn't do it. He's our bud.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
KenPom had us at #81 before the game. We won't be ranked this month.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 12, 2015, 03:14:36 PM
KenPom had us at #81 before the game. We won't be ranked this month.

All the way up to 64 now.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: kryza on December 12, 2015, 03:16:32 PM
All the way up to 64 now.

Could possibly be in the 50's tonight too if ASU somehow steals a win at KY.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 12, 2015, 03:17:07 PM
I bet we'll be between 35-40 in the votes next week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
KenPom had us at #81 before the game. We won't be ranked this month.

He only said getting votes. To be fair, Navy is getting a vote and they are ranked #177 in kenpom.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 12, 2015, 03:28:46 PM
I don't think we'll get votes yet. Not after Wisconsin crapped the bed against WIU and UWM. Maybe we will, Wisconsin is still a household name
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 12, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
I don't think we'll get votes yet. Not after Wisconsin crapped the bed against WIU and UWM. Maybe we will, Wisconsin is still a household name

And WI was a kenpom #39 team, and this was at their place.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: dgies9156 on December 12, 2015, 03:54:56 PM
Others Receiving Votes….

Maybe 5 or 6 votes … but we are on our way!!!!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2015, 03:55:48 PM
And WI was a kenpom #39 team, and this was at their place.

Wisconsin is in the 100s in the RPI....much more accurate ranking
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: MilWarrior on December 12, 2015, 03:58:12 PM
Wisconsin is in the 100s in the RPI....much more accurate ranking
Anything to downplay a post-Crean win
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: tower912 on December 12, 2015, 04:01:26 PM
No votes yet.   
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
Just don't flame him if he doesn't do it. He's our bud.

It is not the beat reporter's job to give the team he covers a spot in the top 25 "just because."

If he thinks we are a legit top 25 team, he should rank us. If he thinks we're not, he absolutely shouldn't.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: BM1090 on December 13, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
This guy, who I believes has a vote in the AP poll, has Marquette at 25 this week.

http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: WarriorFan on December 14, 2015, 01:35:21 AM
2 more wins and it'll be hard for a 10-2 team from a power conference NOT to get a few votes, despite the cupcake feast. 
This week?  Don't get your hopes up. 

Beat Seton Hall for 11-2... then it's time to start thinking about a 24/25 ranking.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 14, 2015, 08:51:48 AM
This guy, who I believes has a vote in the AP poll, has Marquette at 25 this week.

http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/
Regardless of source, so nice to see MU in the top 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 11/2/15
Post by: Benny B on December 14, 2015, 09:47:18 AM
Regardless of source, so nice to see MU in the top 25.

I bet MU receives multiple votes this week in the AP poll.  Never underestimate the number of AP voters whose egos need to justify their placement of Syracuse at #15 two weeks ago (before they lost to Becky) via the transitive laws of basketball.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: Daniel on December 14, 2015, 09:59:31 AM
College and professional athletics, at their essence, are children's games played by young adults for the spectator's entertainment. In the grand scheme of the world, none of us should care about any of the games and none of it is relatively important in the least.

But we do care because we as fans like to see the institutions and teams we root for do well. One of the ways we can gauge how Marquette is doing is by the the two major polls. One of those polls is by the writers who cover the sport as journalists more extensively than any of us could. The other is by the coaches who coach the sport at a higher level than any of us could. So when Marquette, our school and our team, is doing well in the polls, well, it matters to us. And on a small level it is important as it keeps us connected and gives us entertainment.

Also, on a more practical level, if a team is ranked for most of the season, it is a lot more likely that the selection committee will look favorably on them and put them in the tournament. There are not a lot of slots given to unranked teams that do not win their conference's automatic bid.

In addition, ranked teams get vastly more media exposure. This media exposure leads to greater ticket sales and more merchandise sales. It also helps recruit not just athletes, but students who may not otherwise consider Marquette for college.

So it does matter, in a sense. In fact, it matters a lot.

This.  Well done.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: BM1090 on December 14, 2015, 12:34:21 PM
No votes in the Coaches Poll. 1 vote in the AP Poll.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/ap

Butler #17
Providence #14
Villanova #12
Xavier #10
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2015, 12:37:42 PM
No votes in the Coaches Poll. 1 vote in the AP Poll.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/ap

Butler #17
Providence #14
Villanova #12
Xavier #10

WOO-HOO!!! WE'RE RANKED!!!*






*On one AP voter's top-25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 14, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
If we only played all cupcakes to the tune of an 8-0 record, we would be South Carolina at #25 in the coaches poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: GGGG on December 14, 2015, 12:47:11 PM
Tied at 42nd with Army, Houston and Florida!!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 14, 2015, 12:56:06 PM
Checked our RPI breakdown on CBS (great resource, by the way), and LSU's RPI is 212! I realize that they are falling short of pre-season expectations, but my lord, that's dreadful. Again, I don't put a lot of stock into RPI right now, but that definitely caught my attention.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/MARQET/marquette-golden-eagles (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/MARQET/marquette-golden-eagles)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: fjm on December 14, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
Well 1 is better than none! Moving in the right direction!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
If we only played all cupcakes to the tune of an 8-0 record, we would be South Carolina at #25 in the coaches poll.

Hey! They beat Depaul. Show some respect!
Title: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15 -RPI
Post by: jsheim on December 14, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
RPI not really a ranking...but a thought about all those home games against cupcakes.

Only SIU has a worse RPI with as good a record (9-2). Same issue, only two road games and a couple of neutrals like us.

Does anyone know the fate of teams like 21-12 or so and an RPI > 65?
Do they make the tourney?

I wonder because if MU goes 11-2non-conf; 9-9conf; 1-1 tourney = 21-12.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15 -RPI
Post by: Oldgym on December 14, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
I wonder because if MU goes 11-2non-conf; 9-9conf; 1-1 tourney = 21-12.

Can't go 11-2 in non con.  We're 8-2 now with only two left before Big East begins.

Edit: Crap.  Forgot about Stetson.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15 -RPI
Post by: BM1090 on December 14, 2015, 02:24:23 PM
Can't go 11-2 in non con.  We're 8-2 now with only two left before Big East begins.

Stetson in the middle of the conference season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 14, 2015, 02:55:46 PM
Hey! They beat Depaul. Show some respect!
True, they beat a Big East team just as we beat SEC and PAC 12 teams.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: BM1090 on December 14, 2015, 03:07:27 PM
True, they beat a Big East team just as we beat SEC and PAC 12 teams.

I mean, DePaul is the worst team in the Big East. LSU is a middling SEC team, Wisconsin is a middling Big Ten team, and ASU is at least a middling Pac 12 team
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 14, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
I mean, DePaul is the worst team in the Big East. LSU is a middling SEC team, Wisconsin is a middling Big Ten team, and ASU is at least a middling Pac 12 team
I agree. Our victories are against better opponents. Strained comparison on my part.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Benny B on December 14, 2015, 03:39:46 PM
Well 1 is better than none! Moving in the right direction!

Let the letter-writing campaign commence.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2015, 10:08:23 PM
True, they beat a Big East team just as we beat SEC and PAC 12 teams.

Really meant nothing by that, other than making fun of depaul
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 15, 2015, 10:29:58 AM
Really meant nothing by that, other than making fun of depaul
Ha, I know. I was just having a little fun with it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 11:05:24 AM
FWIW, Andy Katz (of all people) has us at 25 in his rankings (not an AP voter): http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/show/middle
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 15, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
FWIW, Andy Katz (of all people) has us at 25 in his rankings (not an AP voter): http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/show/middle
Thanks for sharing. I'll take it!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: fjm on December 15, 2015, 11:43:16 AM
As we all know, Lunardi does Bracketology for entertainments sake etc... But we are now in the first four out in his latest projections.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2015, 01:39:59 PM
This week's rankings (we lost our single vote):

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)

How is SMU 18 in the AP poll but unranked (not even getting votes) in the Coaches Poll? That's crazy. Are they exempt from the poll this year or something?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 21, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
This week's rankings (we lost our single vote):

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)

How is SMU 18 in the AP poll but unranked (not even getting votes) in the Coaches Poll? That's crazy. Are they exempt from the poll this year or something?

Perhaps since they're banned from the NCAA postseason this year, the coaches don't care to even think about them.  I mean, they could be the best team ever, but they're not going to win the national championship!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2015, 01:44:29 PM
Perhaps since they're banned from the NCAA postseason this year, the coaches don't care to even think about them.  I mean, they could be the best team ever, but they're not going to win the national championship!

I had forgotten that to be the case.  That explains it, thanks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Benny B on December 21, 2015, 01:47:42 PM
I can't cite anything specific, but I'm convinced that there's either:

a) a written rule that prohibits coaches from voting for teams ineligible for the postseason
or
b) an unwritten rule that strongly discourages the same.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 28, 2015, 01:12:40 PM
No votes after wins over Chicago State and PC. Get out the pitchforks.

Big East is otherwise well represented per usual these days.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
No votes after wins over Chicago State and PC. Get on the pitchforks.

Big East is otherwise well represented per usual these days.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)

IMO, a team like Cincinnati's resume doesn't look all that different from Marquette's.  A slightly tougher schedule in that they've played 6 quality teams versus Marquette's 5 (4 if you exclude Belmont), but their cupcakes are terrible and their best wins are vs. Nebraska, vs. George Washington and @VCU.  That's not better than vs.LSU, vs. ASU and @ UW, IMO.  Losses to Butler, Xavier and Iowa State. 7 of their 10 wins are against the dregs of the NCAA. 10-3 record and ranked 22/23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: 4everCrean on December 28, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
IMO, a team like Cincinnati's resume doesn't look all that different from Marquette's.  A slightly tougher schedule in that they've played 6 quality teams versus Marquette's 5 (4 if you exclude Belmont), but their cupcakes are terrible and their best wins are vs. Nebraska, vs. George Washington and @VCU.  That's not better than vs.LSU, vs. ASU and @ UW, IMO.  Losses to Butler, Xavier and Iowa State. 7 of their 10 wins are against the dregs of the NCAA. 10-3 record and ranked 22/23.

Patience, Grasshopper.  Northwestern is getting votes for Christsakes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 28, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
Patience, Grasshopper.  Northwestern is getting votes for Christsakes.

I keep trying to tell you all...Though Olah being out for a couple weeks is gonna hurt big time.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2015, 02:54:55 PM
Patience, Grasshopper.  Northwestern is getting votes for Christsakes.

Its not a lack of patience, just an observation. I dont think MU should be ranked, I just think our resume is comparable to a team ranked in the low 20s.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: jsheim on December 28, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Well we have to prove it Wed. against Seton Hall. They are a very decent team...and beating them at home is a MUST.

winning will get us props....right now there are too many teams with two or three losses that claim a spot in the rankings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: mubb3434 on December 28, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Beat Seton Hall and Gtown we should be in the conversation.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 28, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
Beat Seton Hall and Gtown we should be in the conversation.

True.  But with no votes right now even if we win both games I don't see us to being ranked.  And then the next week we would have at Providence and St. John's at home.  I think we would have to start 4-0 in the BE to be ranked.  Just don't see that happening.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 06:40:11 PM
True.  But with no votes right now even if we win both games I don't see us to being ranked.  And then the next week we would have at Providence and St. John's at home.  I think we would have to start 4-0 in the BE to be ranked.  Just don't see that happening.

First we win the next two ... remember that conference play starts for all this week.  This means ranked teams in the 20 to 25 range will start lose and their will be a lot of turnover.  Right now they are all playing cupcakes and everyone is winning.  That is why the rankings do not turnover (see George Washington and Louisville and what a loss does to one's rankings). 

Not saying we will be ranked but couple two wins that with the "right losses" and it is possible.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
Perhaps since they're banned from the NCAA postseason this year, the coaches don't care to even think about them.  I mean, they could be the best team ever, but they're not going to win the national championship!

what the...not again!  what did they do this time?  just when they're getting their feet back under themselves after recovering from the "death penalty".  couldn't be "special arrangements" to athletes by academic departments err anything roy williams would frown upon...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2015, 07:04:06 PM
Let's see... would we rather be aligned in a conference with Xavier/Butler/Providence/Villanova/Georgetown/etc., or SMU/Tulane/East Carolina/UCF/USF/etc. 

The strength of the Big East as a conference and a brand will always be a plus for our rankings.  If we ended up sharing a conference with those weak basketball programs, the hill for us to climb to continue to be relevant in college basketball would have been monumental.  We should be thankful to have avoided that train wreck (Larry Brown included).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
True.  But with no votes right now even if we win both games I don't see us to being ranked.  And then the next week we would have at Providence and St. John's at home.  I think we would have to start 4-0 in the BE to be ranked.  Just don't see that happening.

Uh, I think 3-1 would be fine.  Losing at providence, especially if we play well, wouldn't be much of a negative.  But, a long way to get to 3-1.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 28, 2015, 08:35:11 PM
Uh, I think 3-1 would be fine.  Losing at providence, especially if we play well, wouldn't be much of a negative.  But, a long way to get to 3-1.

Reaaly doubt it. We have not one vote right now. We win both this week and we will get votes but not ranked. Dont know how you move up from there losing then.beating st. John's at home.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Reaaly doubt it. We have not one vote right now. We win both this week and we will get votes but not ranked. Dont know how you move up from there losing then.beating st. John's at home.

I just don't think losing on the road at #12 could be a negative.  Sure, win and we're ranked for sure, but if we lose after playing well there, winning @Georgetown, and at home against SHU and SJ,  we'd be winners of 12 out of 13.  Not a guarantee, but I think a good chance...given a LOT of "if's"
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Windyplayer on December 29, 2015, 11:18:56 AM
There's an advanced statistic in baseball called sequencing that adjusts for the randomness in type of hits given up and their impact on a pitchers ERA, FIP, etc. i.e. why penalize a pitcher more for giving up 3 singles then a grand slam in an innning than another pitcher who gives up solo shot then three singles.

Reminds me of the rankings throughout the year especially early on. Oftentimes, it's how streaky you are that determines whether you crack the the Top 25 or not. A team that goes 4-1 over a stretch and wins the first 4, then loses the 5th is much more likely to get in rather than a team that goes, say, 2-1-2 over that same stretch.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Aughnanure on December 29, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
Marquette receiving votes in ESPN's Power rankings. Xavier at 5, Butler at 8, Providence at 11, and Nova at 15.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2015, 01:33:23 PM
Marquette receiving votes in ESPN's Power rankings. Xavier at 5, Butler at 8, Providence at 11, and Nova at 15.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings

Andy Katz with the votes, has us at 24.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: KampusFoods on December 29, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Andy Katz with the votes, has us at 24.

Ahead of Duke
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 29, 2015, 01:47:46 PM
There's an advanced statistic in baseball called sequencing that adjusts for the randomness in type of hits given up and their impact on a pitchers ERA, FIP, etc. i.e. why penalize a pitcher more for giving up 3 singles then a grand slam in an innning than another pitcher who gives up solo shot then three singles.

Reminds me of the rankings throughout the year especially early on. Oftentimes, it's how streaky you are that determines whether you crack the the Top 25 or not. A team that goes 4-1 over a stretch and wins the first 4, then loses the 5th is much more likely to get in rather than a team that goes, say, 2-1-2 over that same stretch.

Completely agree.  If a team beats a really good team, gets into the Top 25 then beats a bunch of cupcakes over two weeks they will usually be ranked 15-20 or so.  However if you play a bunch a cupcakes first then beat the good team you will not be ranked 15-20.  It is all about sequence.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: jsheim on December 30, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
RPI guess before the SH & GT games this weekend...if we beat SH we jump 25-30 RPI positions...then beat GT away and jump another 30.

Is it too hopeful to see us at RPI#85 by Monday?

In any case, given the RPI math and our lowly Home schedule, we will climb quickly with every win.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: LAZER on December 30, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
RPI guess before the SH & GT games this weekend...if we beat SH we jump 25-30 RPI positions...then beat GT away and jump another 30.

Is it too hopeful to see us at RPI#85 by Monday?

In any case, given the RPI math and our lowly Home schedule, we will climb quickly with every win.

I don't think it'll be that high. Georgetown isn't a Top 100 team right now. My guess is ~110 with two wins.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 30, 2015, 08:59:55 PM
Can pretty much close this thread until December 2016.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: brewcity77 on November 11, 2016, 09:37:06 PM
Maybe November 2016? Might not be ranked, but whoever had them at 25 in the AP should probably give that to us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: warriorchick on November 11, 2016, 10:26:38 PM
LOL One of my childhood friends who is a huge Vandy fan just posted on Facebook that he thinks Marquette will be a Final Four team.

I am sure at least part of that was to explain the whupping his Commodores just got.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday-update: 12/14/15
Post by: Marcus92 on November 11, 2016, 10:54:23 PM
LOL One of my childhood friends who is a huge Vandy fan just posted on Facebook that he thinks Marquette will be a Final Four team.

I am sure at least part of that was to explain the whupping his Commodores just got.

If we go undefeated in non-conference play and win at least 2 of our 4 games against Nova and Xavier, I might start to take an idea like that seriously.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: real chili 83 on November 12, 2016, 06:30:15 AM
After The Vandy arse whooping, #1.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2016, 07:01:16 AM
#351
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 12, 2016, 07:45:13 AM
I bet Gary Parish will rank us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
KPom moved MU up to #33.  Not really worth much this early other than to say MU outperformed his pre-season predictions in the one game (or Vandy sucks or both).  He has MU 19-10, 10-8 now (excluding the Pitt-SMU game). I think we would all be pleased with that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: source? on November 12, 2016, 01:10:04 PM
Sagarin has us at 37. It's super early but I would be pretty happy with a year-end rpi in the mid 30s, at least it would put us back in the NCAA tournament with an even better year possible next season.

Vanderbilt down to 72/68 Kenpom/Sagarin.
Michigan 31/29
SMU 44/28
Pitt 51/63
UW 8/3
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Too early ta get wood 'bout yesterday, hey?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: MUfan12 on November 12, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
Too early ta get wood 'bout yesterday, hey?

Yup. But we all needed that second half, ai'na?

It's been years since they were as entertaining as last night.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: wadesworld on November 12, 2016, 03:00:47 PM
Too early ta get wood 'bout yesterday, hey?

Depends on how long it lasts.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Newsdreams on November 12, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
Depends on how long it lasts.
4ever would be happy just to get it no matter how long
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 12, 2016, 04:02:46 PM
Too early ta get wood 'bout yesterday, hey?

Yep

We just got on an elevator with 30 floors to the Penthouse, we just pushed the 1st floor button.  How many higher buttons will we press?  Or Lower,.....Enjoy the Ride!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on November 13, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Ken Pom says 32
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: dgies9156 on November 13, 2016, 10:03:50 AM
Way too early to discuss this. Let's wait and see what happens with Michigan, Georgia, the Disgusting Rodent and others before we start looking at rankings.

There's only one that matters. It's at the end of the season and it has no curves in it!!!!!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2016, 10:08:51 AM
Way too early to discuss this. Let's wait and see what happens with Michigan, Georgia, the Disgusting Rodent and others before we start looking at rankings.

There's only one that matters. It's at the end of the season and it has no curves in it!!!!!!

11th?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on November 13, 2016, 05:45:54 PM
I feel we can beat michigan, pitt/smu, georgia and the BADgers that could possibly put us in the top 25 if we dont lose any of the cupcakes
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: wadesworld on November 13, 2016, 06:02:34 PM
I feel we can beat michigan, pitt/smu, georgia and the BADgers that could possibly put us in the top 25 if we dont lose any of the cupcakes

Given that that would put us at undefeated in mid December with wins over 5 major conference teams, including one top 10 team, we very well may be ranked in the top 4 in the country if we do that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TSmith34 on November 13, 2016, 06:04:43 PM
Given that that would put us at undefeated in mid December with wins over 5 major conference teams, including one top 10 team, we very well may be ranked in the top 4 in the country if we do that.

Don't be ridiculous. At best we'd be 9th. ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: dgies9156 on November 13, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Don't be ridiculous. At best we'd be 9th. ;D

Exactly.

We are not Notre Dame football.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: wadesworld on November 13, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Don't be ridiculous. At best we'd be 9th. ;D

Exactly.

We are not Notre Dame football.


His post implies that we would be undefeated going into BE conference play.  So my post was even wrong in saying that we'd be undefeated come mid-December.  It'd be come late December.  If our results for the start to the season are as follows:

11/11 vs. Vanderbilt*: W
11/14 vs. Howard: W
11/17 vs. Michigan*: W
11/18 vs. Pittsburgh/SMU*: W
11/22 vs. IUPUI: W
11/26 vs. Houston Baptist: W
11/30 vs. Western Carolina: W
12/04 at Georgia: W
12/06 vs. Fresno State: W
12/10 vs. Rodents: W
12/19 vs. St. Francis (PA): W
12/21 vs. SIU-Edwardsville: W

And we're sitting at 12-0 with wins over Vandy, Michigan, and SMU on a neutral court, at Georgia, and over top 10 Wisconsin and Fresno State at home going into BE play on December 28, we might be ranked top 3.  How many power conference teams make it through non conference undefeated?  Not many.
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: burger on November 14, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
+1, good post.

Being ranked is the most important thing a team can do before the tourney.  To say it does not matter means the poster doesn't know what they are talk about.

Consider this

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/01/13/bloomberg_articlesLXR71A0YHQ0X01-LXR9Q.DTL

Stanford University received an estimated 36,744 applications for freshman admission -- a record -- as the school's athletics success drummed up attention. ... Stanford, near Palo Alto, California, admitted 7.1 percent of its applicants for the 2011-2012 academic year. Admissions officials had speculated that the tough competition to win a seat combined with reinstated early acceptance programs at Harvard University and Princeton University might have deterred some students from applying to Stanford, Patterson said today in an interview.  "It's a little more than we anticipated," Patterson said. "Stanford did very well in football and Andrew Luck was a leader for the university."  Luck, the Stanford Cardinals quarterback and a two-time Heisman Trophy runner-up, is considered a top National Football League prospect.

---

In my book Stanford is the number 1 academic school in the country and being ranked in football mattered A LOT to them.  More so then their bowl game (which they lost).

So, again, please stop embarrassing yourself by saying being ranked does not matter.

I am fairly certain that being in "the Silicon Valley" with the number of startups that make you an instant millionaire and if you have the ability to invent your own startup (app these days).......The "B" word is then within the realm.....(see SnapChat......really????)

As my niece who got 50 free ride offers told me.....They told her when she visited...."Don't boast about being a National Merit scholarship finalist because we don't even look at applications that are not".....

One of the 3 hardest schools to get into in the country.....

One of the only places I would have paid to send my son.....He only had a 98 average and 1520 on the two important parts of the SAT and knew not even to apply.....A waste of time.....

What more needs to be said.....Condoleezza Rice is the dean of the school and turned down running for president of the U.S. because she has a "better job".....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2016, 08:30:54 AM
What a random throwback.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on November 14, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
Exactly.

We are not Notre Dame football.
Thank God we aren't ND.  ND blows.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: real chili 83 on November 14, 2016, 09:17:43 PM
41st this week.   ;D

Nice to get a mention.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 14, 2016, 10:13:22 PM


   Two, please!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Tugg Speedman on November 15, 2016, 06:37:17 AM
Has a Wojo team ever been ranked?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: brewcity77 on November 15, 2016, 06:55:17 AM
Has a Wojo team ever been ranked?

No.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 15, 2016, 07:17:46 AM
Has a Wojo team ever been ranked?

Received a couple votes at some point last year but if I remember correctly it was only 1 or 2 and it was only 1 week
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2016, 08:03:44 AM
Received a couple votes at some point last year but if I remember correctly it was only 1 or 2 and it was only 1 week

1 vote after beating Bucky last season
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Tugg Speedman on November 15, 2016, 12:16:55 PM
So is the 7 votes received this week is the highest ever in the Wojo era?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Windyplayer on November 15, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
So is the 7 votes received this week is the highest ever in the Wojo era?
I believe so. Banner, please.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on November 15, 2016, 01:05:48 PM
I believe so. Banner, please.

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/screen-shot-2015-06-11-at-4-08-03-pm.png)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: warriorchick on November 15, 2016, 01:47:42 PM
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/screen-shot-2015-06-11-at-4-08-03-pm.png)


Looks like you made a mistake here.  This is IUPUI's banner.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Coleman on November 15, 2016, 02:01:34 PM
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7230/7204019852_47f2b3d5d8_n.jpg)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on November 16, 2016, 02:30:28 PM
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7230/7204019852_47f2b3d5d8_n.jpg)

I looked for this one and couldn't find it. Easily my favorite banner ever made.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Windyplayer on November 16, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
I looked for this one and couldn't find it. Easily my favorite banner ever made.
Haha, classic.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 17, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
Fran Fraschilla just said during the Pitt/SMU game that whoever wins this tournament will be ranked next week.

I don't know about that....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GB Warrior on November 17, 2016, 07:52:09 PM
Fran Fraschilla just said during the Pitt/SMU game that whoever wins this tournament will be ranked next week.

I don't know about that....

I think we will be if we win it, but because of Vandy on top of the tournament wins
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: NCMUFan on November 18, 2016, 06:11:34 AM
Hmm, good question.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 18, 2016, 07:24:34 AM
So, what will we be ranked, hey?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on November 19, 2016, 11:31:10 PM
So, what will we be ranked, hey?
Not top 25
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 20, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
#25

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400911280
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: dgies9156 on November 20, 2016, 02:24:13 PM
I think we should resurface this on in 2018

Until then,......
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: real chili 83 on November 20, 2016, 02:24:44 PM
I think we should resurface this on in 2018

Until then,......

Was thinking the same.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/29/17?????
Post by: real chili 83 on January 25, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
I think it's timely to bump this thread.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 25, 2017, 05:13:37 AM
Chili, you got me by 2 minutes! Had the exact same thought.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GB Warrior on January 25, 2017, 05:24:01 AM
27
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: brewcity77 on January 25, 2017, 08:02:09 AM
We should be #1. In Highlander style, you beat the best you become the best.

But in all honesty, I do think we'll jump into the rankings as long as we take care of business against Providence. I think we'll come in at #21.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on January 25, 2017, 08:10:04 AM
We should be #1. In Highlander style, you beat the best you become the best.

But in all honesty, I do think we'll jump into the rankings as long as we take care of business against Providence. I think we'll come in at #21.
We have to win these easy games coming up
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 25, 2017, 08:29:54 AM
No team in the top 25 has more than 5 losses. I don't think we make it yet
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: warriorchick on January 25, 2017, 08:34:40 AM
We have to win these easy games coming up

No easy games in BE this year, I am afraid. Even DePaul is dangerous.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
No team in the top 25 has more than 5 losses. I don't think we make it yet

Does any 5-loss team in the country have wins over the No. 1 and 7 team in a 3-day span while also having no "bad" losses?

Our win was featured prominently on TV and the interwebs last night. FS1 ran a BREAKING NEWS! banner for more than an hour. That's some good pub. If we do what we should against Providence - although it probably won't be easy - I think we'll slip in to the bottom 5 of the top 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2017, 08:37:25 AM
No easy games in BE this year, I am afraid. Even DePaul is dangerous.

I absolutely agree, chickadee. I mean, DePaul almost beat both Nova and Butler.

I fully expect to lose at least a couple of games that we "should" win, events that no doubt will bring out the Fire Wojo-ers who have gone into hiding the last few days!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 25, 2017, 08:45:29 AM
Does any 5-loss team in the country have wins over the No. 1 and 7 team in a 3-day span while also having no "bad" losses?


Well, Pitt is looking more and more like a "bad" loss every day.  But at the least,  we're going to get some votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: dgies9156 on January 25, 2017, 08:47:28 AM
I hope we're not. I want our guys to have a chip on their shoulder.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Coleman on January 25, 2017, 08:50:28 AM
We'll get a few votes next week if we beat Providence. but we won't be ranked. Too many losses at the moment.

If we can string together 3 straight wins against Providence, St Johns and Depaul, we might crack the top 25 the week of 2/6 depending on the number of losses of teams currently ranked 20-25
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: TomW1365 on January 25, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
Rankings matter.  It means we are winning and I like winning.  It means more winning in the future if we can stay ranked.  It means we get more exposure which leads to better recruits which leads to more winning.  Winning=ranked= wins>losses

Another positive is this is the first time I posted in over 2 years since I came to this site specifically for the what are we ranked on Monday argument that morphs into whether or not rankings matter. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/14/16????
Post by: Windyplayer on January 25, 2017, 09:20:23 AM
No team in the top 25 has more than 5 losses. I don't think we make it yet
I think we get in with three straight wins including against two top 10 teams. Oddly, I think the win over Nova gives our win over Creighton more consideration.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2017, 06:43:54 AM
Too bad creighton is taking a poop right now-their loss to Georgetown on the road stings a little unless georgie is turning over a new leaf.  In that game however, creighton was only a 2 point fav and that really surprised me.  I jumped on it on bovada and got my chit handed to me-should have listened to my picks n parleys dude-he's been pretty accurate-damn.  At the time we beat creighton however, I think they were ranked 7 or so
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: MUBigDance on January 28, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
#1

Because Marquette will always be number one in my heart.

Just want to say Brew, I appreciate your new signature GIF. Not that there was a particular problem with the old one...just that old guy turning and looking at me every time I scrolled down was
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: warriorchick on January 28, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
Just want to say Brew, I appreciate your new signature GIF. Not that there was a particular problem with the old one...just that old guy turning and looking at me every time I scrolled down was
Title: Re: Soooooo.....what are we ranked on Monday?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 28, 2017, 08:03:24 AM
Just want to say Brew, I appreciate your new signature GIF. Not that there was a particular problem with the old one...just that old guy turning and looking at me every time I scrolled down was
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on January 28, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Kenpom has us at 32 after the loss to providence
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: real chili 83 on January 29, 2017, 06:48:15 AM
Perhaps a vote or two. 

With Gtown winning twice this. Week, it makes the case that th BE is pretty damned tough now. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2017, 01:28:47 PM
I think there should be a ban on bumping this thread until after we have played all our games for the week. It seems like every time this thread gets bumped after Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday game, we lose the Saturday/Sunday game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: buckchuckler on January 29, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
I think there should be a ban on bumping this thread until after we have played all our games for the week. It seems like every time this thread gets bumped after Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday game, we lose the Saturday/Sunday game.

That is probably a good sign that the team is not good enough to be ranked. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
That is probably a good sign that the team is not good enough to be ranked.

Maybe. But if we are 1 point away from being ranked, that's a lot better than I could have hoped for preseason!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/30/2017????
Post by: fjm on January 29, 2017, 04:07:01 PM
Maybe. But if we are 1 point away from being ranked, that's a lot better than I could have hoped for preseason!

Agreed. Preseason hopes of 6th or 7th in BEAST and a solid NIT invite. So consideration gets me al happy in the pants. And having this opportunity to make the NCAA's clearly without bubble makes me excited also.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: real chili 83 on April 24, 2018, 04:41:15 AM
Time to revive this thread.  8 years ago, this topic was pertinent each week of the season.

I say 17 to start the season. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: brewcity77 on April 24, 2018, 05:40:21 AM
I think receiving votes. Chartouny won't move the national perspective and I think Xavier, Butler, and Creighton are more likely to show up in the rankings than we are.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: dgies9156 on April 24, 2018, 06:20:18 AM
You have to earn a national ranking.

We have not earned it yet.

So maybe a handful of votes and then we'll see. By year's end, I would expect a solid Top 15ish to Top 10ish team.

Frankly, I'd rather be "under the radar" and shock teams going into the season rather than ranked and disappoint if people don't notice us.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: GGGG on April 24, 2018, 07:40:38 AM
1
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2018, 07:42:29 AM
1.  Will finish the season undefeated and unscored upon.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: TSmith34 on April 24, 2018, 08:07:33 AM
1.  Will finish the season undefeated and unscored upon.
Sounds too much like the MU football team for my comfort.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 24, 2018, 08:30:33 AM
22...and it will be our worst ranking of the season.

We got this.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: DUNKS45 on April 24, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
I’m going with 17. What do you say Chili?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 24, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
I could see preseason around 23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Its DJOver on April 24, 2018, 09:21:16 AM
I'll go with others receiving votes preseason, but a Gavitt win, 1-1 in Brooklyn, and a UW win should put us somewhere between 17-23 IMO, assuming no other slip ups.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 24, 2018, 09:27:35 AM
Pass me what u guys are smoking.  Sports writers that basically know MU was a 13 loss NIT team that lost their top scorer and last time they saw them got their doors blown off by villanova and couldnt stop a wheel chair team is suddenly a preseason receiving votes team??
I like our team.
Yet think it may take us a bit to get our legs under us, but even if not i cant see too many sportswriters being high on us before we play a game.  If we receive votes or rankings next year, we will have earned them.  We are not No Dick in the football polls yet.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2018, 09:29:40 AM
Sounds too much like the MU football team for my comfort.
And about as likely.  Others receiving votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: brewcity77 on April 24, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Pass me what u guys are smoking.  Sports writers that basically know MU was a 13 loss NIT team that lost their top scorer and last time they saw them got their doors blown off by villanova and couldnt stop a wheel chair team is suddenly a preseason receiving votes team??

About 25% of the way-too-early rankings have us somewhere in the 20-25 range. That's why I think while we won't be ranked, we will be receiving votes. Some of these people do have votes in the polls and will put us on their ballot. We won't be on all of them, but we'll be on a few. Enough people pay attention to our program and league to know that we project to be pretty good next year.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/4/3/17189916/college-basketball-early-top-25-rankings-2019-kansas-duke-villanova-virginia-kentucky-gonzaga
https://sports.yahoo.com/way-early-top-25-2018-19-college-basketball-season-033644755.html
https://herosports.com/college-basketball/2018-19-preseason-rankings-kansas-villanova-gonzaga-ahah
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2018, 10:09:35 AM
Those were written prior to Chartouny transferring in.  There will be a buzz as the season approaches, particularly if it appears health won't be an issue.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: brewcity77 on April 24, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Those were written prior to Chartouny transferring in.  There will be a buzz as the season approaches, particularly if it appears health won't be an issue.

Sure, but there are a lot of teams with reason for optimism, which is why there are probably 25-30 teams being considered for the last 10 spots of most of these way-too-early lists. Some will see us up there, some won't. 4-0 may be enough to get us ranked. 6-1 certainly would do it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MomofMUltiples on April 24, 2018, 11:40:47 AM
I have seen a lot of twitter buzz from the "in-the-know" guys about the Chartouny (and McEwen, but won't affect this year) transfer and have commented on how this solidifies Marquette.  I would expect to see us somewhere between getting lots of votes to 23 in preseason polls as we get closer to the season.  Brooklyn will either cement us there or we'll fall out for a few weeks, coming back in after our beatdown of the badgers in December.

Like most, I'm wildly optimistic about this team on paper, but we all know it's execution that really matters.  Still, Chartouny and Brendan are really the only guys who haven't played together with this team - I think Joey playing with Sam for a few years in HS will help the communication and flow for him, and Morrow's been practicing all year with them.  Hopefully they will get the rust out quickly and make a run to the top of the BEast.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: CTWarrior on April 24, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Others receiving votes. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2018, 11:52:47 AM
I'm going ranked 23. Much of it will depend on where the coaches poll has us though. If they somehow had us winning the BE I think we'd see a massive amount of AP votes thinking the BE coaches know something they don't
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2018, 12:30:26 PM
1.  Will finish the season undefeated and unscored upon.

I was going to say something similar to this, but Markus finally missing a FT last season burst my hyperbolic bubble!

Pass me what u guys are smoking.  Sports writers that basically know MU was a 13 loss NIT team that lost their top scorer and last time they saw them got their doors blown off by villanova and couldnt stop a wheel chair team is suddenly a preseason receiving votes team??

Oregon was a 13-loss team that lost to Marquette in the NIT, but they will be ranked - and probably quite high - based on their incoming freshman class.

We don't have such an incoming class, but we do have just about everybody returning, we added one of the better rebounders in the nation via transfer and we added one of the best available grad transfers at our exact position of need.

I don't think we'll get enough votes to be ranked, but I do think we'll get votes.

We'll have a chance in November to show if we deserve to be ranked.

I was going to throw in "not that it matters," but actually ... psychologically I do think it would matter to this group. It would be nice to get to see us among the best for most of the season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Marcus92 on April 24, 2018, 01:15:41 PM
I pay zero attention to the AP/coach's rankings until we get into the conference schedule, and not much more attention to them after that. Just because Georgetown was receiving votes for the Top 25 last season didn't mean they were anywhere close to a good team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: LoudMouth on April 24, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Oregon was a 13-loss team that lost to Marquette in the NIT, but they will be ranked - and probably quite high - based on their incoming freshman class.
Yes but Oregon plays for the "Conference of Champions" and we play for the new decrepit Big East according to major media outlets...E$PN
I'm in the camp of us receiving little to no votes to start the year and we will have to earn every ounce of respect this year..which I think we are fully capable of earning. Definitely going to be an uphill battle though
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2018, 03:27:56 PM
Not in the new ESPN “too early” top 25 released on the 23rd. While I would love to see MU ranked in top 25 right now, hopefully once they get in, they see in for a long, long time.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Windyplayer on April 24, 2018, 06:02:49 PM
Not in the new ESPN “too early” top 25 released on the 23rd. While I would love to see MU ranked in top 25 right now, hopefully once they get in, they see in for a long, long time.
Eh, Metcalf. Pass.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 24, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
Eh, Metcalf. Pass.

Benny trolling the entirety of scoop with his Metcalf post still may be the best moment in scoop history.

That or UD Pride saying how the catholic 7 would never be able to pull anyone from the A-10
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: brewcity77 on April 24, 2018, 08:45:36 PM
Not in the new ESPN “too early” top 25 released on the 23rd. While I would love to see MU ranked in top 25 right now, hopefully once they get in, they see in for a long, long time.

That's why I think receiving votes. Some will have us in, more won't.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: real chili 83 on April 24, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
That's why I think receiving votes. Some will have us in, more won't.

Means we will be sneaky good.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Hards_Alumni on April 25, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
Exactly 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MomofMUltiples on June 04, 2018, 10:04:24 AM
Andy Katz put us at 27 in his top 36 (post draft withdrawal) ranking.  Bucky at 25:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-06-04/andy-katzs-power-36-look-ahead-2018-19-season-post-nba-draft (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-06-04/andy-katzs-power-36-look-ahead-2018-19-season-post-nba-draft)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: muwarrior69 on June 04, 2018, 10:35:16 AM
I rather not have the ranking bulls eye on our back or the guys thinking they are as good as their rank.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 04, 2018, 10:45:45 AM
Andy Katz put us at 27 in his top 36 (post draft withdrawal) ranking.  Bucky at 25:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-06-04/andy-katzs-power-36-look-ahead-2018-19-season-post-nba-draft (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-06-04/andy-katzs-power-36-look-ahead-2018-19-season-post-nba-draft)

He says two wins away from a birth? Weren't we one win from being third in the Big East?

Anyways if those rankings hold, and we played Tennessee and Kansas. We'd play an absurdly tough non con
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: warriorchick on June 04, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
I rather not have the ranking bulls eye on our back or the guys thinking they are as good as their rank.

Yep.  In recent years our greatest success has been those in which we have been way underrated pre-season, which is why I don't get honked off about it like some people on this board.

Also, remember 2013-2014, when were projected to win the Big East?  Good times.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: warriorchick on June 04, 2018, 10:47:15 AM
He says two wins away from a birth?

Let's hope there are no births at all.  Last thing we need is one of the guys on maternity leave.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Its DJOver on June 04, 2018, 10:55:50 AM
He says two wins away from a birth? Weren't we one win from being third in the Big East?

Anyways if those rankings hold, and we played Tennessee and Kansas. We'd play an absurdly tough non con

Committee thought we were at best 5th team out.  Beating DePaul or Georgia wouldn't have been enough.  X or Nova would have.  2nd place Pac12 team didn't get a bid
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 04, 2018, 10:58:42 AM
Committee thought we were at best 5th team out.  Beating DePaul or Georgia wouldn't have been enough.  X or Nova would have.  2nd place Pac12 team didn't get a bid

Is that actually released somewhere or are you basing this off NIT seeding? Because my understanding is NIT seeding is not a reflection of the order in which you were out of the field
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
Is that actually released somewhere or are you basing this off NIT seeding? Because my understanding is NIT seeding is not a reflection of the order in which you were out of the field

The selection show showed the first four teams out and we weren't one of them.  I believe these four automatically get the 1 seeds in the NIT but there's no order after that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Its DJOver on June 04, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Is that actually released somewhere or are you basing this off NIT seeding? Because my understanding is NIT seeding is not a reflection of the order in which you were out of the field

The first four out of the NCAA are always the 1 seeds in the NIT.  After that I'm not sure (because of the seeding regarding the mid major automatic qualifiers), but that would still put us, at best, 5th team out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 04, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
The first four out of the NCAA are always the 1 seeds in the NIT.  After that I'm not sure (because of the seeding regarding the mid major automatic qualifiers), but that would still put us, at best, 5th team out.

Got it. Learn something new every day
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MUfan12 on June 04, 2018, 11:17:34 AM
UW at 25 is hysterical.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 04, 2018, 11:25:44 AM
UW at 25 is hysterical.

I agree it's too high but they should be in the tourney next season IMHO
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Skatastrophy on June 04, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
I agree it's too high but they should be in the tourney next season IMHO

In what sport?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: barfolomew on June 04, 2018, 11:32:55 AM
In what sport?

Men's Indoor Basketball.
Unfortunately, I agree with TAMU. If everyone is healthy again they are a borderline tourney team. B1G is stronger than last year.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 04, 2018, 11:41:07 AM
Still belive a win over depaul or prividence would have put ys in the tourney.  10-8 in the BE would have probably been enuff to separate us from thise 4-5-6 teams ahead of us and maybe even some teams in the tourney.  Just a little defense from being a solid tourney team.  Hopefully the addition of Chartouney ngrowth of the other players tightens up the turnstile defense this year. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 04, 2018, 12:03:08 PM
Still belive a win over depaul or prividence would have put ys in the tourney.  10-8 in the BE would have probably been enuff to separate us from thise 4-5-6 teams ahead of us and maybe even some teams in the tourney.  Just a little defense from being a solid tourney team.  Hopefully the addition of Chartouney ngrowth of the other players tightens up the turnstile defense this year.

+1
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Its DJOver on June 04, 2018, 12:06:04 PM
Still belive a win over depaul or prividence would have put ys in the tourney.  10-8 in the BE would have probably been enuff to separate us from thise 4-5-6 teams ahead of us and maybe even some teams in the tourney.  Just a little defense from being a solid tourney team.  Hopefully the addition of Chartouney ngrowth of the other players tightens up the turnstile defense this year.

I don't think DePaul gets us in.  PC would have been incredibly close.  3 sweeps of tourney teams would have been hard to ignore.  If we had won that game.  I think our positions would have swapped going into the BET with us just barely in and them just barely out.  Their win over X in NYC guaranteed them a bid.  Would have been interesting to see if they get a bid without that win, some of their advanced numbers were historically bad for a tourney team despite thier key wins.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 04, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
Read the Katz article, Loyola is not the 12th best team in the nation. I don't even think they are a top 50 team. They will run through the Missouri Valley again because it is a weak conference, so they might end up in the top 25, but I don't see them getting a single digit seed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: brewcity77 on June 04, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
Still belive a win over depaul or prividence would have put ys in the tourney.  10-8 in the BE would have probably been enuff to separate us from thise 4-5-6 teams ahead of us and maybe even some teams in the tourney.

This exactly. Especially the DePaul game. Not because of what a win at DePaul would've been worth, but because of the impact a loss against DePaul had.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 04, 2018, 01:41:17 PM
Read the Katz article, Loyola is not the 12th best team in the nation. I don't even think they are a top 50 team. They will run through the Missouri Valley again because it is a weak conference, so they might end up in the top 25, but I don't see them getting a single digit seed.

Katz is such a B10 homer.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on June 04, 2018, 01:49:23 PM
Katz is such a B10 homer.
He does work on BTN.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Nukem2 on June 04, 2018, 01:58:07 PM
He does work on BTN.
More to the point is that Katz is a Bucky grad.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MUDPT on June 04, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
Another computer model, #25

https://www.brianlefevre.com/2018-19-ncaa-preseason-rankings/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: tower912 on June 04, 2018, 03:19:28 PM
So, rankings will have to be earned.    If the team is good enough, it will be ranked when it matters. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Herman Cain on June 05, 2018, 10:04:24 PM
I had high expectations for the team last year .  I felt we would finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend of the tournament. We ended up one win away from 3rd in the Big East and made it to the second weekend equivalent of the wrong tournament.   I have similar expectations this year, not finalized yet.  That said , my view is that the polls may take some time to catch up with where the team actually  is. If we can get out of the blocks strong, we should start being listed in those receiving additional votes and if we can win 10 or more non conference games we will go into conference season ranked.  Our relative position of strength in the conference should enable us to propel our ranking higher over the course of the season. My bullishness is a function of the complete roster we have now. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MU82 on June 05, 2018, 10:49:52 PM
We're No. 1!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: willie warrior on June 06, 2018, 06:08:07 AM
The first four out of the NCAA are always the 1 seeds in the NIT.  After that I'm not sure (because of the seeding regarding the mid major automatic qualifiers), but that would still put us, at best, 5th team out.
The key to all this stuff is that we did not make the dance, and that is on Wojo
Now, let the excuses and deflection begin.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: dgies9156 on June 06, 2018, 07:48:18 AM
I had high expectations for the team last year .  I felt we would finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend of the tournament. We ended up one win away from 3rd in the Big East and made it to the second weekend equivalent of the wrong tournament.   I have similar expectations this year, not finalized yet.  That said , my view is that the polls may take some time to catch up with where the team actually  is. If we can get out of the blocks strong, we should start being listed in those receiving additional votes and if we can win 10 or more non conference games we will go into conference season ranked.  Our relative position of strength in the conference should enable us to propel our ranking higher over the course of the season. My bullishness is a function of the complete roster we have now.

Brother Herman hit the nail on the head. I would rather go into a season under-rated and watch our guys earn their Top 10 ranking that come in as a ranked team with the expectations and hoopla that follow.

We still have some unknowns going into next November. But the off-season recruiting has shored up some weaknesses and with Joe and Ed in the fold, I’m pretty optimistic.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Zephyr820 on June 06, 2018, 09:10:06 AM
Has everyone seen this one?

http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

7   Villanova
25   Seton Hall
33   Marquette
35   Providence
44   Xavier
45   Butler
54   Creighton
65   St. John's
68   Georgetown
95   DePaul


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It's going to be difficult for anyone to stay in the Top 25, because just about everyone is the same relative quality.  Getting above .500 is going to be quite a task, it looks like everyone will be floating around it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 06, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
Has everyone seen this one?

http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

7   Villanova
25   Seton Hall
33   Marquette
35   Providence
44   Xavier
45   Butler
54   Creighton
65   St. John's
68   Georgetown
95   DePaul


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It's going to be difficult for anyone to stay in the Top 25, because just about everyone is the same relative quality.  Getting above .500 is going to be quite a task, it looks like everyone will be floating around it.

Just don’t see how they have seton hall second
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: IrwinFletcher on June 06, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Why do people want MU to be underrated pre-season and be “under the radar”?  If that is the description you want of this team, that means you aren’t all that well regarded?

Do you think UK, Duke, KU or MSU fans hope they come in under the radar?  If you are considered Top 10 in the  preseason, that means you have a really good team.  I want a really good team. I want this team/program to be considered among the best going into the season. 

Now that isn’t going to happen this year for whatever reason and maybe I am overvaluing this team, but if we reach the level of success many think we can achieve, a year from now we will more than likely be considered a Top 10 team.  That is what I am hoping for.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Its DJOver on June 06, 2018, 10:08:56 AM
Why do people want MU to be underrated pre-season and be “under the radar”?  If that is the description you want of this team, that means you aren’t all that well regarded?

Do you think UK, Duke, KU or MSU fans hope they come in under the radar?  If you are considered Top 10 in the  preseason, that means you have a really good team.  I want a really good team. I want this team/program to be considered among the best going into the season. 

Now that isn’t going to happen this year for whatever reason and maybe I am overvaluing this team, but if we reach the level of success many think we can achieve, a year from now we will more than likely be considered a Top 10 team.  That is what I am hoping for.

I think people want this team to be underrated because some of our most recent success has come when our team has a chip on its shoulder.  If we finish this upcoming season as well as some have theorized and only lose Heldt, and JC going into the '19-'20 season, I think a lot of these "experts" would have us solidly in the top 10-15.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 06, 2018, 10:22:58 AM
Why do people want MU to be underrated pre-season and be “under the radar”?  If that is the description you want of this team, that means you aren’t all that well regarded?

Do you think UK, Duke, KU or MSU fans hope they come in under the radar?  If you are considered Top 10 in the  preseason, that means you have a really good team.  I want a really good team. I want this team/program to be considered among the best going into the season. 

Now that isn’t going to happen this year for whatever reason and maybe I am overvaluing this team, but if we reach the level of success many think we can achieve, a year from now we will more than likely be considered a Top 10 team.  That is what I am hoping for.

Good question.  I think that folks still remember Buzz's last year when MU was picked to win the BE.  But instead of Vander, TJ Taylor, Jameel McKay, Duane Wilson, and Todd Mayo, we got bad Buzz and some solid situational role players being the primary starters. Fans don't remember what was supposed to be but remember what was.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Goose on June 06, 2018, 10:24:56 AM
Dr. B

I remember well what Buzz's last year was supposed to be. One of the big disappointments I have had as an MU fan. That said, I never thought Vander was playing his senior season, but on paper we looked awfully good for a few weeks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: GGGG on June 06, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Why do people want MU to be underrated pre-season and be “under the radar”?  If that is the description you want of this team, that means you aren’t all that well regarded?


To be honest, none of this stuff matters when the ball is tipped off.  Pre-season predictions are ultimately worthless.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: warriorchick on June 06, 2018, 11:17:09 AM

To be honest, none of this stuff matters when the ball is tipped off.  Pre-season predictions are ultimately worthless.

To that end, did anyone see this one?

1. Marquette
2. 350-way tie between all other D1 teams.

Source:  warriorchick


Seriously, why do we care what anyone else thinks at this point, especially "experts" whose only credential is that they have an SBNation blog?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: burger on June 06, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
Just don’t see how they have seton hall second

I think we just found Hillary's email server......
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2018, 11:49:11 AM
To that end, did anyone see this one?

1. Marquette
2. 350-way tie between all other D1 teams.

Source:  warriorchick


Seriously, why do we care what anyone else thinks at this point, especially "experts" whose only credential is that they have an SBNation blog?

Crazy coincidence that you and I have the exact same ratings!

The poll listing Seton Hall 2nd in the Big East did give me a chuckle, though. Surprised DePaul wasn't first!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2018, 07:32:42 PM

Pre-season predictions are ultimately worthless.

Aren't all predictions ultimately worthless?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/2018????
Post by: LloydsLegs on June 07, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
Aren't all predictions ultimately worthless?

Not if you successfully bet your prediction.   :)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: real chili 83 on October 18, 2018, 12:27:19 PM
Bump
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: LoudMouth on October 18, 2018, 12:29:29 PM
Bump
(https://www.thewholecaboodle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/unlucky-tv-show-GIF-downsized_large.gif)

You jinxed it!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: real chili 83 on October 18, 2018, 12:35:23 PM
Ha. I say we become a top 15 team this year!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: fjm on October 18, 2018, 01:49:53 PM
#28 recieving votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Marquette4life on October 21, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
Who else is pumped for tmr
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: MUBigDance on October 22, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
I know this is out there...but we're just 8 wins away from top-5 by the end of the day, Dec. 1.

I suppose other teams could say this...but its a real possibility for MU.

of course overlooking a real test at Carroll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
I know this is out there...but we're just 8 wins away from top-5 by the end of the day, Dec. 1.

I suppose other teams could say this...but its a real possibility for MU.

of course overlooking a real test at Carroll

we were undefeated to Dec 19th in 2011-12 and we still topped out at 10 so not necessarily.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: brewcity77 on October 22, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
we were undefeated past Dec 1st in 2011-12 and we still topped out at 7/8 so not necessarily.

If we start 8-0, that includes wins over the current #1 and (likely) #6. I think top-5 would be very plausible.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Windyplayer on October 22, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
If we start 8-0, that includes wins over the current #1 and (likely) #6. I think top-5 would be very plausible.
Not to mention knocking off #12 KSU.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: brewcity77 on October 22, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
Not to mention knocking off #12 KSU.

True, and Indiana on the road would be a respectable feather. I don't expect we will start 8-0, but if we did we'd have legit 1/2 seed buzz before Big East play even started.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TallTitan34 on October 22, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
I think IU gets us in and KU knocks us out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 22, 2018, 12:52:52 PM
I think both IU and KU keep us from getting in and give us a huge hill to climb but we eventually get there.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Herman Cain on October 22, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
MU received 1.91 points per voter so almost 24th in most polls. The actual 25th place team , Washington received 2.54 points per voter so they were closer to 23rd in most polls.

Not studying the other teams ahead in the poll schedules, I think a true road win for MU at Indiana and we move up. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 23, 2018, 05:10:17 AM
When does the Big East Coaches poll come out? and the national coaches poll?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: MUDPT on October 23, 2018, 05:37:46 AM
we were undefeated to Dec 19th in 2011-12 and we still topped out at 10 so not necessarily.

After we beat UW that year, we were ranked #1 on Pomeroy.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 23, 2018, 06:02:30 AM
After we beat UW that year, we were ranked #1 on Pomeroy.

cool. I don't think that's one of the two polls everyone pays attention to but cool nonetheless.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Windyplayer on October 23, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
When does the Big East Coaches poll come out? and the national coaches poll?
This seems to be perplexing Scoopers, me included.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 09:37:34 PM
This seems to be perplexing Scoopers, me included.

Thursday is Media Day
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Windyplayer on October 25, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Prep the pitchforks!

Coaches Poll (MU not ranked):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Windyplayer on October 25, 2018, 11:53:32 AM
Bu then there's this:

BE Power Rankings from ESPN (MU #2)

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24951708/big-east-preseason-power-rankings (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24951708/big-east-preseason-power-rankings)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Loose Cannon on October 25, 2018, 12:07:15 PM
Prep the pitchforks!

Coaches Poll (MU not ranked):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/)

I always liked being the Hunter.  These are nice pieces to bring to the Fire.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: warriorchick on October 26, 2018, 08:45:31 AM
Prep the pitchforks!

Coaches Poll (MU not ranked):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/)

Excellent. Other coaches are underestimating us. They are falling right into our trap.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 26, 2018, 08:54:16 AM
Excellent. Other coaches are underestimating us. They are falling right into our trap.

Hoping it's Self Gard Miller & Weber. (Also my motto when I want to be the only one grilling at a BBQ)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 27, 2018, 04:00:17 AM
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018

If anyone's curious about who voted for us to be where here's the breakdown. 33 had us between 18 & 25, 32 had us out
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: brewcity77 on October 27, 2018, 05:57:10 AM
Matt Norlander had us #27 on his list of all 353 teams, but when Gary Parrish asked him on their podcast which team outside the top-25 had the best chance to make the Final Four, he wasted no time in saying Marquette. Pointed out that we return almost everyone and have legit, proven shooters.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2018, 06:20:30 AM
Prep the pitchforks!

Coaches Poll (MU not ranked):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/10/25/kansas-jayhawks-no-1-usa-today-preseason-mens-basketball-poll/1751736002/)

Coaches are too busy to waste their time with this. Most turn it over to assistants or to SIDs.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 05, 2018, 01:27:00 AM
Sagarin has us 12

http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: brewcity77 on November 05, 2018, 04:45:43 AM
Sagarin has us 12

http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm

Wow, his model does not like Nevada (39).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Windyplayer on November 05, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
Wow, his model does not like Nevada (39).
What happened in Vegas did not stay in Vegas for Sagarin.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: The Hamberdler on November 05, 2018, 03:49:54 PM
Sagarin has us 12

http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm

And yet another source expecting a truly dramatic turnaround for UW, who apparently has a better incoming class than Nebraska, but literally no one else in the B12 (according to 247). I mean, not like they generally play a ton of freshmen anyway but they could have definitely used them this year. I just don't see where the secret sauce is coming from... Is it as simple as "Wisconsin is always good"?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 05, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
And yet another source expecting a truly dramatic turnaround for UW, who apparently has a better incoming class than Nebraska, but literally no one else in the B12 (according to 247). I mean, not like they generally play a ton of freshmen anyway but they could have definitely used them this year. I just don't see where the secret sauce is coming from... Is it as simple as "Wisconsin is always good"?

You'd think that the math sources would eliminate the possibility of that always good bias. Maybe their models are overly reliant on efficiency which screws up the Wisconsin rating?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
And yet another source expecting a truly dramatic turnaround for UW, who apparently has a better incoming class than Nebraska, but literally no one else in the B12 (according to 247). I mean, not like they generally play a ton of freshmen anyway but they could have definitely used them this year. I just don't see where the secret sauce is coming from... Is it as simple as "Wisconsin is always good"?

They lose nobody and return a starter and top bench player from season long injuries. They were a top 75 team last season per KenPom. Assuming normal progression from their returning players, they should be an NCAA tournament team this season. #30 seems a tad high to me but not unreasonable. They strike me as a top 40 team.

Anytime you use a formula you are bound to get some wonky results. Nevada at 39, Cincy at 11, Auburn at 33, UCF at 17, Mississippi State/Alabama/LSU in the high 40s all seem out of place to me. Also, why do they list Xavier as "Xavier-Ohio"? Is there another D1 Xavier that I am unaware of?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: The Hamberdler on November 05, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
They lose nobody and return a starter and top bench player from season long injuries. They were a top 75 team last season per KenPom. Assuming normal progression from their returning players, they should be an NCAA tournament team this season. #30 seems a tad high to me but not unreasonable. They strike me as a top 40 team.

Anytime you use a formula you are bound to get some wonky results. Nevada at 39, Cincy at 11, Auburn at 33, UCF at 17, Mississippi State/Alabama/LSU in the high 40s all seem out of place to me. Also, why do they list Xavier as "Xavier-Ohio"? Is there another D1 Xavier that I am unaware of?

Don't you think returning actual good players, or bench players, is more valuable than just returning "a" player? I mean, they are returning plenty of guys who have played, but that doesn't really say much about whether they are any good. Outside of Happ, they could put Milwaukee (UWM) on the front of their jerseys and nobody would really know the difference.

Hyperbole aside, that's really my point. There are plenty of returning players out there in the college basketball world, but expecting them to dominate at the high major level is something else entirely, isn't it? I understand your point but I still don't see why that logic doesn't apply to at least 100 other teams as well - plenty of teams returning a lot of players.

Also, they were 15-18. A lot of those might have been "good losses" but I still think it's pretty clear that it will take a dramatic improvement to make that a team that flirts throughout the year with being ranked.

Also my direction on this is "how they get to be mathematically this good" and not just a general discussion on how good they are. I'm not quite seeing what factors are calling for a major improvement.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Jay Bee on November 05, 2018, 05:17:11 PM
Also my direction on this is "how they get to be mathematically this good" and not just a general discussion on how good they are. I'm not quite seeing what factors are calling for a major improvement.

- Trice and King were injured and unable to play most of the year.
- Davison played hurt all year (got surgery in the offseason). He'll be a sophomore
- Reuvers has considerable upside from where he was last year - look out
- Many others getting a year older. They were ranked #328 in the nation in experience last year. That'll change this year
- Lots of eFG% upside on both sides of the ball

Wouldn't surprise me to see them a very much improved team this year and back in the tourney.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2018, 05:44:16 PM
- Trice and King were injured and unable to play most of the year.
- Davison played hurt all year (got surgery in the offseason). He'll be a sophomore
- Reuvers has considerable upside from where he was last year - look out
- Many others getting a year older. They were ranked #328 in the nation in experience last year. That'll change this year
- Lots of eFG% upside on both sides of the ball

Wouldn't surprise me to see them a very much improved team this year and back in the tourney.
I think it is better for MU in the medium and long term  if Wisconsin is back to being a tournament level team. Enhances the quality of our schedule and in general having two good teams in the state has positive PR impact. Our game with them is going to be hard fought no matter what, so I would prefer we get the benefit of them being a quality team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
Don't you think returning actual good players, or bench players, is more valuable than just returning "a" player? I mean, they are returning plenty of guys who have played, but that doesn't really say much about whether they are any good. Outside of Happ, they could put Milwaukee (UWM) on the front of their jerseys and nobody would really know the difference.

Hyperbole aside, that's really my point. There are plenty of returning players out there in the college basketball world, but expecting them to dominate at the high major level is something else entirely, isn't it? I understand your point but I still don't see why that logic doesn't apply to at least 100 other teams as well - plenty of teams returning a lot of players.

Also, they were 15-18. A lot of those might have been "good losses" but I still think it's pretty clear that it will take a dramatic improvement to make that a team that flirts throughout the year with being ranked.

Also my direction on this is "how they get to be mathematically this good" and not just a general discussion on how good they are. I'm not quite seeing what factors are calling for a major improvement.

They do return good players, they were just young last season. As Jay Bee points out, they were near the bottom of D1 in experience. A year older and a year healthier will help change a lot of that.

As for the math, you'd have to ask Sagarin about the nuts and bolts, or maybe one of the statheads around here could break down his formula, I'm only a dabbler. But there are formulas for projecting how much a player will produce based on past production and what year they are. Assuming normal development from all of Bucky's player's they should be a top 40ish type team. No worries, we should still wipe the floor with them at the Forum
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Its DJOver on November 05, 2018, 07:12:26 PM
They do return good players, they were just young last season. As Jay Bee points out, they were near the bottom of D1 in experience. A year older and a year healthier will help change a lot of that.

As for the math, you'd have to ask Sagarin about the nuts and bolts, or maybe one of the statheads around here could break down his formula, I'm only a dabbler. But there are formulas for projecting how much a player will produce based on past production and what year they are. Assuming normal development from all of Bucky's player's they should be a top 40ish type team. No worries, we should still wipe the floor with them at the Forum
I don't think this is a real thing, players either exceed development, or underachieve.  How much do you think that extra year will help Charlie Thomas, or Alex Illikainen?  I would bet they're still glued to the pine.  They likely won't have Aleem Ford when we play them, and I have yet to see anything that would prove that Trice is a high major player (MSU would have been all over him if he was),  Anderson got plenty of time to impress coaches in high school when they were there to see Sam and Joey and he had no high major offers.  King could be decent, but he should be a big question mark coming off major knee surgery, and their Freshman class aint anything to get excited about.  Should they be better than last year?  Yes, but until they prove that they are, they shouldn't be a top 40 team.  This is why preseason rankings are so difficult and pointless.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Jay Bee on November 05, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
I don't think this is a real thing, players either exceed development, or underachieve.  How much do you think that extra year will help Charlie Thomas, or Alex Illikainen?  I would bet they're still glued to the pine.  They likely won't have Aleem Ford when we play them, and I have yet to see anything that would prove that Trice is a high major player (MSU would have been all over him if he was),  Anderson got plenty of time to impress coaches in high school when they were there to see Sam and Joey and he had no high major offers.  King could be decent, but he should be a big question mark coming off major knee surgery, and their Freshman class aint anything to get excited about.  Should they be better than last year?  Yes, but until they prove that they are, they shouldn't be a top 40 team.  This is why preseason rankings are so difficult and pointless.

"Normal development" is most certainly a real thing. Freshman to sophomore jumps being the most notable on average (good news for MU as well as uw-madison). I think Reuvers will surprise people either this year or next. Alex Ill is better than he has shown thus far.. if he gets a chance, will he provide it? Dunno, but he's got lots of room to improve.

I'm not crownin their a$$, but the idea of them being a team that gets into the tourney this year isn't a crazy thought.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Its DJOver on November 05, 2018, 07:25:51 PM
"Normal development" is most certainly a real thing. Freshman to sophomore jumps being the most notable on average (good news for MU as well as uw-madison). I think Reuvers will surprise people either this year or next. Alex Ill is better than he has shown thus far.. if he gets a chance, will he provide it? Dunno, but he's got lots of room to improve.

I'm not crownin their a$$, but the idea of them being a team that gets into the tourney this year isn't a crazy thought.
Sophomore Traci? Sophomore Haani? Sophomore Sandy?  Player development is real, but there is no barometer for "normal".
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: brewcity77 on November 05, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
And yet another source expecting a truly dramatic turnaround for UW, who apparently has a better incoming class than Nebraska, but literally no one else in the B12 (according to 247). I mean, not like they generally play a ton of freshmen anyway but they could have definitely used them this year. I just don't see where the secret sauce is coming from... Is it as simple as "Wisconsin is always good"?

I have to think so, and really like your mention of Nebraska. Last year, Wisconsin played a tougher than usual conference schedule, but still lost to some bad teams (Rutgers, Iowa, Northwestern). Meanwhile, Nebraska played a weak schedule but went 13-5 in league and 4/5 losses were to top-20 kenpom teams. Both teams bring back a lot, yet everyone seems to be tabbing Wisconsin ahead of Nebraska. Personally, I would slot the Huskers ahead of Wisconsin without a second thought. One is a senior laden team coming off a successful year, the other has one admittedly really good senior surrounded by role-players.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 05, 2018, 07:39:42 PM
^^^ Nebraska has tons of Jrs to Seniors & tough def 3fg% comps. I do not like them.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
I don't think this is a real thing, players either exceed development, or underachieve.  How much do you think that extra year will help Charlie Thomas, or Alex Illikainen?  I would bet they're still glued to the pine.  They likely won't have Aleem Ford when we play them, and I have yet to see anything that would prove that Trice is a high major player (MSU would have been all over him if he was),  Anderson got plenty of time to impress coaches in high school when they were there to see Sam and Joey and he had no high major offers.  King could be decent, but he should be a big question mark coming off major knee surgery, and their Freshman class aint anything to get excited about.  Should they be better than last year?  Yes, but until they prove that they are, they shouldn't be a top 40 team.  This is why preseason rankings are so difficult and pointless.

You don't think what is a real a thing? Player improvement? Most players improve from year to year. Rising sophomores tend to show the most improvement while 5th year seniors tend to show the least (but they still show improvement). In fact, outside of monster freshman classes that the blue bloods get, returning production is a much better indicator of improvement than incoming freshmen. Most freshmen don't bring a ton of value.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Its DJOver on November 05, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
You don't think what is a real a thing? Player improvement? Most players improve from year to year. Rising sophomores tend to show the most improvement while 5th year seniors tend to show the least (but they still show improvement). In fact, outside of monster freshman classes that the blue bloods get, returning production is a much better indicator of improvement than incoming freshmen. Most freshmen don't bring a ton of value.
I don't think there is such a thing as "normal" player development.  We see way too many outliers, both overachieving, and underachieving/regressing for there to be a "normal" range.  JB mentioned the Freshman to Sophomore gap.  Just looking at MU and UW in the recent years you have Sandy, Haani, Traci, Duane to some extent (although the biggest drop-off was in between his Sophomore and Junior year), Illikainen, Charlie Thomas, and Jordan Hill underachieving, and Markus, Sam, and that whole crop of Badgers involved in their FF runs overachieving.  The range of successes and failures is far too wide for there to be a "normal" range.  Normal implies that there is a predictability to the model, and I don't think anyone could accurately predict the lines that our true Sophomores will put up this year (without a large amount of luck).

Just look at Jamal.  Last year he averaged 4.6 ppg.  Just based on our depth, I could see a scenario where that number drops, but, I could also see a scenario where he works himself into an everyday starter, and it jumps to about 12 ppg.  Too much unpredictability for "normal".
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2018, 11:02:30 PM
I don't think there is such a thing as "normal" player development.  We see way too many outliers, both overachieving, and underachieving/regressing for there to be a "normal" range.  JB mentioned the Freshman to Sophomore gap.  Just looking at MU and UW in the recent years you have Sandy, Haani, Traci, Duane to some extent (although the biggest drop-off was in between his Sophomore and Junior year), Illikainen, Charlie Thomas, and Jordan Hill underachieving, and Markus, Sam, and that whole crop of Badgers involved in their FF runs overachieving.  The range of successes and failures is far too wide for there to be a "normal" range.  Normal implies that there is a predictability to the model, and I don't think anyone could accurately predict the lines that our true Sophomores will put up this year (without a large amount of luck).

Just look at Jamal.  Last year he averaged 4.6 ppg.  Just based on our depth, I could see a scenario where that number drops, but, I could also see a scenario where he works himself into an everyday starter, and it jumps to about 12 ppg.  Too much unpredictability for "normal".

Well I don't know what to tell you. Smarter people than you or I have done the research and found a normal range. Of course there are outliers, that's why there is the caveat of assuming normal development.

Also, points per game doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. All about efficiency.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/22/2018
Post by: Its DJOver on November 05, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
Well I don't know what to tell you. Smarter people than you or I have done the research and found a normal range. Of course there are outliers, that's why there is the caveat of assuming normal development.

Also, points per game doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. All about efficiency.

Fine, ignore ppg.  How do they factor that Greg will miss most if not all of the non conference?   How do they factor that Davison was playing injured all last year?  How do they factor the fact that King is coming off knee surgery?  How do they factor that Anderson transferred from a mid major?

There are just too many variables for any normalcy.  We spent a good part of the summer speculating how JC would make the jump from mid to high major and even with a lot more data on him, there's conflicting opinions of how he'll be able to adjust.  No one saw Kaminsky blowing up the way he did, no one saw Haani dropping off the way he did. If there are just as many "outliers" than there is no "normal".
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 07:54:09 AM
They have math for all of that though it does require that they have accurate information. For example I doubt they included Elliotts injury because if how recent it is.

While nobody saw Kaminsky becoming an all American,  these services actually did peg him as a breakout player. Kaminsky had fantastic efficiency stats just low opportunities. The clues are usual there if you know where to look.

You can have outliers without normal. There is a range that most players will fall into.  Yes there will be outliers but usually for every one that overachieves there is another that underachieves.

No one is saying that services like KenPom are perfect preseason. But there are reasons why they are generally accurate.  They miss big on a few teams every season but most teams are put generally in the correct area.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
High efficiency, low usage, sounds a lot like Matt, and I don't think anyone is expecting him to become an All American.

There's a reason that there are so many different ranking services out there.  They are all flawed.  As (I believe it was you) pointed out, Sagarin hates Nevada.  KenPom always has UW higher than they actually are.  BPI loves us.  RPI (among its many flaws) always seemed to find a way to make sure Syracuse was the last team in.  I'm sure we'll find that NET is flawed as well.  I am fully aware that there are a lot of people out there that know a lot more about college basketball and advance stats than I do, but just because these people make a ranking system, doesn't mean that we should all buy into it immediately and unequivocally.

Again, if there are more outliers than "normal", I don't think normal would exist.  Just look at the Wojo era of Freshman to Sophomore development (no Henry).  I'd argue that the only one that has followed a "normal" progression has been Matt.  Traci, Haani, and Sandy all underachieved/regressed.  Markus and Sam both overachieved, and I would argue that in Sacar's true Sophomore year, the fact that he felt he hadn't developed enough to get minutes means he underachieved as well.  Now from his TRSoph to his RSSoph he overachieved, but that just further's the point that there's no normalcy in player development.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: #UnleashCain on November 06, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
High efficiency, low usage, sounds a lot like Matt, and I don't think anyone is expecting him to become an All American.

There's a reason that there are so many different ranking services out there.  They are all flawed.  As (I believe it was you) pointed out, Sagarin hates Nevada.  KenPom always has UW higher than they actually are.  BPI loves us.  RPI (among its many flaws) always seemed to find a way to make sure Syracuse was the last team in.  I'm sure we'll find that NET is flawed as well.  I am fully aware that there are a lot of people out there that know a lot more about college basketball and advance stats than I do, but just because these people make a ranking system, doesn't mean that we should all buy into it immediately and unequivocally.

Again, if there are more outliers than "normal", I don't think normal would exist.  Just look at the Wojo era of Freshman to Sophomore development (no Henry).  I'd argue that the only one that has followed a "normal" progression has been Matt.  Traci, Haani, and Sandy all underachieved/regressed.  Markus and Sam both overachieved, and I would argue that in Sacar's true Sophomore year, the fact that he felt he hadn't developed enough to get minutes means he underachieved as well.  Now from his TRSoph to his RSSoph he overachieved, but that just further's the point that there's no normalcy in player development.

None if those players got worse. Better players came in and took their minutes. Sacar improved but was not redshirtted is freshman year out of necessity, Marquette could afford the rs is sophomore.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on November 06, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
Kaminsky had a higher usage rate as a sophomore than Hauser.  Kaminsky's volume of opportunities were low due to only playing 10 mpg.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 08:44:10 AM
None if those players got worse. Better players came in and took their minutes. Sacar improved but was not redshirtted is freshman year out of necessity, Marquette could afford the rs is sophomore.
Haanif's eFG% dropped from his Freshman to Sophomore year despite a usage decrease.  It is not "normal" for a player to take a non-medical redshirt if they followed a "normal" improvement curve.  Did Sacar get better from his trFs to his trSoph year?  Probably, but not to a "normal" degree.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 08:50:30 AM
I'm not trying to say that older players aren't better than younger players.  A lot of the time that is true (most of the time actually), but you can't accurately predict how much or how little a player will improve.  If you want to cast a really wide net and give a super broad range that's fine, but to declare that an accurate "predictive model" is tooting your own horn a bit too much.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 06, 2018, 09:35:03 AM
Did we get more votes this week? The Carroll Game should help seeding.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Bocephys on November 06, 2018, 10:12:40 AM
Did we get more votes this week? The Carroll Game should help seeding.

We actually dropped a seed line because the ladies lost their exhibition.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: brewcity77 on November 06, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
Kaminsky had a higher usage rate as a sophomore than Hauser.  Kaminsky's volume of opportunities were low due to only playing 10 mpg.

Yup. Kaminsky was an incredible jump from role player to NPOY, but the signs were definitely there. His efficiency barely improved from sophomore to junior to senior years, he just managed to maintain it with increased minutes and usage.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Newsdreams on November 06, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
Did we get more votes this week? The Carroll Game should help seeding.

Remember they only take into account 10 pt margin of victory the other 33 pts no matta, hey, plus at home  :P and they would be a 6 quadrant win, actually a bad win  ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 06, 2018, 10:41:27 AM
Remember they only take into account 10 pt margin of victory the other 33 pts no matta, hey, plus at home  :P and they would be a 6 quadrant win, actually a bad win  ;D

Season's over. We've already got a bad win. Maybe the new metric will be kinder to us for scheduling so poorly.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
High efficiency, low usage, sounds a lot like Matt, and I don't think anyone is expecting him to become an All American.

I didn't say low usage. I said low opportunity. There is a difference.

There's a reason that there are so many different ranking services out there.  They are all flawed.  As (I believe it was you) pointed out, Sagarin hates Nevada.  KenPom always has UW higher than they actually are.  BPI loves us.  RPI (among its many flaws) always seemed to find a way to make sure Syracuse was the last team in.  I'm sure we'll find that NET is flawed as well.  I am fully aware that there are a lot of people out there that know a lot more about college basketball and advance stats than I do, but just because these people make a ranking system, doesn't mean that we should all buy into it immediately and unequivocally.

First you are comparing a lot of different things. Predictive models like KenPom measure very different things than ranking models like RPI. And while they all have their flaws, there's a reason why the predictive models tend to have teams in similar ranges and are fairly accurate even by the end of the year.

Again, if there are more outliers than "normal", I don't think normal would exist.

If there were more outliers you would be right. But as you admit in this post, people much smarter than either of us have done the research and determined that there are way less outliers than "normal" developers.

ust look at the Wojo era of Freshman to Sophomore development (no Henry).  I'd argue that the only one that has followed a "normal" progression has been Matt.  Traci, Haani, and Sandy all underachieved/regressed.  Markus and Sam both overachieved, and I would argue that in Sacar's true Sophomore year, the fact that he felt he hadn't developed enough to get minutes means he underachieved as well.  Now from his TRSoph to his RSSoph he overachieved, but that just further's the point that there's no normalcy in player development.

I don't agree with most of your assessments here. Traci, Sandy, and Haani both got better from freshman to sophomore year. The talent around Traci got better and he got passed on the depth chart. Sandy was much better as a sophomore than as a freshman. Haani was way overvalued his freshman year by fans and undervalued by fans his sophomore year. Based on their freshman years, Markus and Sam developed normally as sophomores. They both had monster freshman years and then built on that as sophomores. Sacar redshirtting doesn't mean he didn't improve from freshman to sophomore year, it just means he redshirtted. His third year I would argue was in the range of normal for a third year player who put up the numbers he did as a freshman.

I do agree on Matt being normal development.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
So you're operating on the assumption that  the "normal" range is extremely wide if Haani, Sam and Markus all fit into that category.  I am not.

No one here has even attempted to explain how it works or is calculated,  you yourself admit that you don't know. I am just using the same train of thought that people are when judging the NET right now, unless it can be explained with a formula I'm extremely hesitant to base anything off it.  Just because the people behind the model know more than me or you does not mean that they're always right, based on the fact that all models weight different aspects differently.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 06, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
So you're operating on the assumption that  the "normal" range is extremely wide if Haani, Sam and Markus all fit into that category.  I am not.

No one here has even attempted to explain how it works or is calculated,  you yourself admit that you don't know. I am just using the same train of thought that people are when judging the NET right now, unless it can be explained with a formula I'm extremely hesitant to base anything off it.  Just because the people behind the model know more than me or you does not mean that they're always right, based on the fact that all models weight different aspects differently.

Generally isn't the term normal coined for being within a certain frame of standard deviations away from the mean? So I'd guess calling them normal is saying that they're within those parameters
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 11:43:08 AM
Generally isn't the term normal coined for being within a certain frame of standard deviations away from the mean? So I'd guess calling them normal is saying that they're within those parameters
Haani's eFG%, usage and scoring all dropped from freshman to sophomore year. Sam's all went up. Any model that has both of them in the "normal" range in terms of improvement has an extremely wide range.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
So you're operating on the assumption that  the "normal" range is extremely wide if Haani, Sam and Markus all fit into that category.  I am not.

No one here has even attempted to explain how it works or is calculated,  you yourself admit that you don't know. I am just using the same train of thought that people are when judging the NET right now, unless it can be explained with a formula I'm extremely hesitant to base anything off it.  Just because the people behind the model know more than me or you does not mean that they're always right, based on the fact that all models weight different aspects differently.

I understand how it works but couldn't give you the exact formulas different systems use off the top of my head. You are welcome to do the research and find out.

And while it is a range, the difference between Haani and Markus is not as different as you might think. Haani had a terrible freshman year with a statline that was buoyed by playing an atrocious non-conference schedule with subpar teammates. So when he became a sophomore his numbers got worse because he played a tougher schedule and had better teammates around him taking opportunities away from him to bolster his stats. Markus had an elite freshman year with a statline that was limited by a deep team and strong schedule. So when he became a sophomore and had worse talent around him and played an easier schedule his stat line grew. Also keep in mind that we're talking development, meaning what % a player gets better by. Markus improved a lot more than Haanie, but the % he got better between freshman and sophomore year was closer to what Haanie was (but still better IMHO).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MUDPT on November 06, 2018, 11:54:34 AM
Torvik's UW write up is a good summary of their chances this year.

https://www.bigtengeeks.com/wisconsin/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 12:01:37 PM
Haani's eFG%, usage and scoring all dropped from freshman to sophomore year. Sam's all went up. Any model that has both of them in the "normal" range in terms of improvement has an extremely wide range.

You are correct that Haanie's scoring did drop. There might have been regression in this area but it was also a product of the schedule that Marquette played. There are a lot more things that go into basketball than scoring. Haanie's rebounding, defense, distribution, and ball control all improved significantly. Sam on the other hand did improve greatly in the areas that you noted but also saw dips in his rebounding and defensive numbers. Still, it is a range and I would Haanie towards the bottom of normal and Sam towards the top of it.

We're getting away from the original argument here. Even if you want to dispute Haanie as being inside a normal range of development, that's one example. This, like most statistics are on a bell curve. Most are going to fall into that middle "normal" category.

As for your previous point of all the different predictive models using different criteria, that doesn't make any of them "wrong." You just have to understand what each model is measuring so you properly understand the results. There are always going to be outliers on both ends but that doesn't mean that most don't fall in the center of the bell curve.

When a lot of different predictive models are putting a team in a similar range, that is usually a hint that they are in about the right place. Wisconsin is one of those teams this season. There's a reason why most (all?) of the major predictive models have them as a top 50 team this season. They could end up being an outlier because basketball is played on the court not paper, but the reasoning for putting them there is sound.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Newsdreams on November 06, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
Season's over. We've already got a bad win. Maybe the new metric will be kinder to us for scheduling so poorly.
FIRE WOJO!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
I understand how it works but couldn't give you the exact formulas different systems use off the top of my head. You are welcome to do the research and find out.

And while it is a range, the difference between Haani and Markus is not as different as you might think. Haani had a terrible freshman year with a statline that was buoyed by playing an atrocious non-conference schedule with subpar teammates. So when he became a sophomore his numbers got worse because he played a tougher schedule and had better teammates around him taking opportunities away from him to bolster his stats. Markus had an elite freshman year with a statline that was limited by a deep team and strong schedule. So when he became a sophomore and had worse talent around him and played an easier schedule his stat line grew. Also keep in mind that we're talking development, meaning what % a player gets better by. Markus improved a lot more than Haanie, but the % he got better between freshman and sophomore year was closer to what Haanie was (but still better IMHO).

Here's yet another variable that makes this impossible to accurately predict; level of competition.  Other than his career high 24 against Jackson State, every time Haani broke the 20 point marker his Freshman year was against high majors.  Sophomore year he only broke that barrier twice against low majors, and also combined to score 9 points the last 6 games.  Sam never broke the 20 point barrier his Freshman year, although he did have 19 twice.  His Sophomore year, he broke it 8 times including a pair of 30 point performances.  So when the schedule got tougher for Haani, the level of production dropped off, when it got tougher for Sam, production picked up.  I don't care what the efficiency rating are, any metric that sees going from four 20 point performances to 2, as equal to going from 0 to 8, with two 30 point performances, is majorly flawed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 12:18:35 PM
As for your previous point of all the different predictive models using different criteria, that doesn't make any of them "wrong." You just have to understand what each model is measuring so you properly understand the results. There are always going to be outliers on both ends but that doesn't mean that most don't fall in the center of the bell curve.

That's the thing though, we know that BPI has us too high because of experience, we know that KenPom will have UW too high because of pace.  We don't know how they view missed time for injury, degree of that injury, potential loss of production due to playing through an injury, loss of production due to move up in competition.  I'm not going to blindly trust something that doesn't have an explanation.  BPI, KenPom have one, "normal" player development does not. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 12:42:58 PM
Here's yet another variable that makes this impossible to accurately predict; level of competition.  Other than his career high 24 against Jackson State, every time Haani broke the 20 point marker his Freshman year was against high majors.  Sophomore year he only broke that barrier twice against low majors, and also combined to score 9 points the last 6 games.  Sam never broke the 20 point barrier his Freshman year, although he did have 19 twice.  His Sophomore year, he broke it 8 times including a pair of 30 point performances.  So when the schedule got tougher for Haani, the level of production dropped off, when it got tougher for Sam, production picked up.  I don't care what the efficiency rating are, any metric that sees going from four 20 point performances to 2, as equal to going from 0 to 8, with two 30 point performances, is majorly flawed.

You are way too focused on points and using odd benchmarks. What's the significant of 20 points in a game? Also, your 20 points a game stat needs context. Haanie reached 20 points three times against high majors as a freshman. One was a very good game against a good Xavier team. One was against DePaul and not the recently rejuvinated DePaul, bad DePaul. One was against Providence and required 2 overtimes and 16 shots to do it.

Also, it is very easy to capture level of competition.

That's the thing though, we know that BPI has us too high because of experience, we know that KenPom will have UW too high because of pace.  We don't know how they view missed time for injury, degree of that injury, potential loss of production due to playing through an injury, loss of production due to move up in competition.  I'm not going to blindly trust something that doesn't have an explanation.  BPI, KenPom have one, "normal" player development does not. 

I'm trying not to read it this way, but this sounds like you are saying you don't understand how these models work and because you don't understand them you don't trust them. If you are trying to say something else please correct me. A lot of these you can find the nuts and bolts for you to research and learn more about though some are behind a paywall.

If your argument is that predictive models like KenPom are not 100% accurate than you have no argument from me. They are nothing more than very educated guesses. Still have to play the games.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
No insult perceived as I'm sure no insult was implied (actually think this is a really good discussion).  I'll try to explain my reasoning differently.

While I don't completely understand them, I know that number gurus like Kenpom use hard data.  Offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are calculated based on data that comes off the court.  They plug all their data in, and out pops a number, that compared to other teams numbers create a ranking.  I know that there a lot more nuts and bolts to it than that, but it all comes from numbers pulled off of the court, which are available to everyone.

If you were try to calculate "normal" player development, you would need a lot of data that doesn't come off the court.  How much was Sam's hip bothering him at the end of the year?  You'd have to ask Sam.  When did he return to 100%?  Again, talk to Sam.  Has pain permanently effected Greg's shot (hope not)?  How much off-season work was Ike able to do with his bad back?  You'd have to be in the weight room.  How do you compare Sam's hip injury to Greg's thumb injury, to Ike back injury?  You would need to be within the program to get an answer other than "coach speak". 

I have no doubt that statisticians, and mathematicians can come up with a formula, that I certainly wound't understand, to "attempt" to account for all of this.  Although this would involve a lot of guesswork for a few reasons.  Every injury is different.  Even the same injury to the same player.  You also wouldn't have the raw data that you can't get from a box score, you'd have to get it straight from the horses mouth, which doesn't happen.  The more guesswork that goes into the formula, the less accurate that the formula will end up being.  Kenpom doesn't use much (any?) guessing, he just plugs and chugs.  Any player development calculation would have to use exponentially more guesswork, which would lead to inaccuracies.  That's why I would be extremely hesitant to trust any player development model.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 01:34:41 PM
As far as I am aware, no model considers how an injury will impact a player, they look retroactively at how an injury did impact a player. And development projections all come from hard data that comes from the court. I'm not aware of any "off the court" data that gets used. For example, all the data I alluded to in a past post about Frank Kaminsky being a breakout candidate all came from his performance on the court. Now he did exceed expectations, but all the data that pegged him as a breakout candidate was all readily available. There is no secret sauce, just different formulas.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
You would still need an absurd amount of off-court data to get anything close to an accurate prediction.  Kaminsky's shot total from his entire Sophomore season was less than 100, yet I would bet he took at least 100 shots per day in the off-season before his breakout Junior year.  Where were they from, what was his clip, what coach was he working with.  100 shots with Nelson (he's the shooting guy right?) isn't equal to 100 shots with Stan.  How many hours of film did he watch?  You won't be able to get that data, and without it, any model would be far less accurate, IMO of course.

I'm sure people are smart enough to come up with formulas, but they would not have the data for an accurate model.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 01:50:56 PM
You would still need an absurd amount of off-court data to get anything close to an accurate prediction.  Kaminsky's shot total from his entire Sophomore season was less than 100, yet I would bet he took at least 100 shots per day in the off-season before his breakout Junior year.  Where were they from, what was his clip, what coach was he working with.  100 shots with Nelson (he's the shooting guy right?) isn't equal to 100 shots with Stan.  How many hours of film did he watch?  You won't be able to get that data, and without it, any model would be far less accurate, IMO of course.

I'm sure people are smart enough to come up with formulas, but they would not have the data for an accurate model.

Not really no. Again, these systems have already proved their accuracy by...well...being accurate. While some programs are better at developing talent than others the differences between programs are usually negligible. Some models do account for this but that's based on how players in that program have developed in the past....which is based on on the court numbers.

I'll repeat again, you can claim these systems aren't accurate. But the major predictive ones have shown year after year that they are. They aren't pinpoint accurate, but then tend to put teams into the right ballparks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 01:56:11 PM
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.  I just can't say that a year-to-year projection can be accurate when it ignores April through October. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 02:13:57 PM
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.  I just can't say that a year-to-year projection can be accurate when it ignores April through October.

It doesn't. They have gathered data from years and years to show how much a typical player will improve based on a variety of different factors from April to October. That's why predictive models love Wisconsin this season. They don't add much in terms of freshmen/transfers but should add a ton via offseason improvement from all their returning players.

Again, you say it can't be accurate....yet the major ones have been...so are they just getting lucky?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
It doesn't. They have gathered data from years and years to show how much a typical player will improve based on a variety of different factors from April to October. That's why predictive models love Wisconsin this season. They don't add much in terms of freshmen/transfers but should add a ton via offseason improvement from all their returning players.

Again, you say it can't be accurate....yet the major ones have been...so are they just getting lucky?

So they know that Illikainen is the new Evan Anderson? 

This is another flaw in this system.  I'm sure that they predict that Iverson will be an improved 3 point shooter, and he could hit one against Eastwestern Armpit State, and their model will be "proved" correct because he technically improved his three point shooting percentage, even if he never hits another one all year.

Bolded sounds like you saying they're proved correct because they say they've been proved correct.  If this is the same model that said Haani's Freshman to Sophomore growth is in the same category as Sam's and that "proves them correct", then all they have to do to be proved correct is make a blanket statement that every returning player will get at least a little better.  Are they wrong?  No, but it doesn't tell us anything.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 02:45:31 PM
These models don't know anything. They are predictive. These are just very educated guesses.

You are looking very micro. Look macro. It can't tell you with much accuracy that this specific player will improve in this specific way (though there are often clues in the data that could help make these type of predictions). These models are meant to give a Birdseye view of the entire landscape of college basketball. The more data you add, the more accurate it becomes.

So no,  you shouldn't use these models to say Khalil Inverson will develop a three point shot. You should use it to say Wisconsin will be a top 50 team this season.

And no I'm not saying they have been proven correct because they say they have been proven correct. You can go back and look at their preseason projections and compare them to their postseason results in past years and you will find they have been accurate. Not pinpoint accurate,  not perfect,  but most of their projections end up forming a nice and perty bell curve
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 02:56:45 PM
You're looking too macro by saying that UW was good in the past, so they'll be good in the future.  Look more micro, they have 3 major players coming off major Injuries and one that is already out indefinitely.  Just because Nakovil developed does not guarantee that Reuvers will. Just because Leuer developed does not guarantee that Thomas will.  4 injury question mark's, and 2 scholarship players that were behind the walk ons last year.  Not a great start. Could the be top 50? Sure, but they will need players to overachieved their "proven predictive model".
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 03:46:39 PM
You're looking too macro by saying that UW was good in the past, so they'll be good in the future.  Look more micro, they have 3 major players coming off major Injuries and one that is already out indefinitely.  Just because Nakovil developed does not guarantee that Reuvers will. Just because Leuer developed does not guarantee that Thomas will.  4 injury question mark's, and 2 scholarship players that were behind the walk ons last year.  Not a great start. Could the be top 50? Sure, but they will need players to overachieved their "proven predictive model".

Nakovil, Leuer, etc have nothing to do with this conversation. No one is saying because these players developed these players will. The formulas are based on data from every team across multiple seasons. Not one team. Wisconsin doesn't get a bonus compared to other teams when it comes to player development. How Wisconsin has done in seasons prior to 17-18 is irrelevant to this discussion.

You make some pretty out there assumptions saying that they will need players to overachieve in order to make top 50. If every one of their players develop at a normal pace, they will be a top 50 team easily. Without breaking a sweat.  Now, that doesn't mean all of their players will. Some will exceed, some will fall short. They could be a weird team where everyone exceeds or everyone falls short and they would become an outlier. The most sound assumption is that as a team they will develop at a normal pace.

You use words like guarantee a lot. If you are looking for a guarantee, you are not going to find it anywhere. These are just projections. They are not going to be guarantee level accurate. The goal is results on a bell curve. Most results right in the middle, with some outliers on both ends.

Maybe Wisconsin ends up being one of those outliers this season. Maybe even for the reasons you list. Certainly possible. I doubt the injury to Aleem Ford is included in most models given that we don't know the severity yet. But those listing them as a top 50 team having statistically sound evidence to back up their projection. There is no Wisconsin bias. This isn't "the Badgers are usually good so I'm ranking them higher". It's simply the fact that they were a top 75ish team last season that returns everyone, gets 2 key players back from injury, and will go from being one of the least experienced teams in Division 1 to a team in the middle of the pack for experience. Projecting a 25 point jump in the rankings is completely reasonable for a team with that profile, especially when you consider that virtually every team in front of them lost a lot more production than they did.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 03:56:37 PM
Nakovil, Leuer, etc have nothing to do with this conversation. No one is saying because these players developed these players will. The formulas are based on data from every team across multiple seasons. Not one team. Wisconsin doesn't get a bonus compared to other teams when it comes to player development. How Wisconsin has done in seasons prior to 17-18 is irrelevant to this discussion.

You make some pretty out there assumptions saying that they will need players to overachieve in order to make top 50. If every one of their players develop at a normal pace, they will be a top 50 team easily. Without breaking a sweat.  Now, that doesn't mean all of their players will. Some will exceed, some will fall short. They could be a weird team where everyone exceeds or everyone falls short and they would become an outlier. The most sound assumption is that as a team they will develop at a normal pace.

You use words like guarantee a lot. If you are looking for a guarantee, you are not going to find it anywhere. These are just projections. They are not going to be guarantee level accurate. The goal is results on a bell curve. Most results right in the middle, with some outliers on both ends.

Maybe Wisconsin ends up being one of those outliers this season. Maybe even for the reasons you list. Certainly possible. I doubt the injury to Aleem Ford is included in most models given that we don't know the severity yet. But those listing them as a top 50 team having statistically sound evidence to back up their projection. There is no Wisconsin bias. This isn't "the Badgers are usually good so I'm ranking them higher". It's simply the fact that they were a top 75ish team last season that returns everyone, gets 2 key players back from injury, and will go from being one of the least experienced teams in Division 1 to a team in the middle of the pack for experience. Projecting a 25 point jump in the rankings is completely reasonable for a team with that profile, especially when you consider that virtually every team in front of them lost a lot more production than they did.

Man we're just going in circle, because I'm about to say that this isn't a real thing.  You'll say that there are formulas.  I won't think the formulas will have enough data.  You'll say that they were right in the past, so they'll be right in the future.  I'll counter with the "accuracy" of those correct predictions isn't all that accurate.  Then you'll justify a player regressing in usage, eFG%, and scoring, by saying that our schedule got tougher.  The only thing I'll say about UW is that IMO they have a lot of question marks, and if a majority of those question marks don't turn out positive, this season could have similarities to last.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 06, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Man we're just going in circle, because I'm about to say that this isn't a real thing.  You'll say that there are formulas.  I won't think the formulas will have enough data.  You'll say that they were right in the past, so they'll be right in the future.  I'll counter with the "accuracy" of those correct predictions isn't all that accurate.  Then you'll justify a player regressing in usage, eFG%, and scoring, by saying that our schedule got tougher.  The only thing I'll say about UW is that IMO they have a lot of question marks, and if a majority of those question marks don't turn out positive, this season could have similarities to last.

You have the order of things mixed up in there but I digress.

You say there is no such thing. Of course there is. This is an oversimplification but you take all the data from one season, compare it to all the data from the following season, calculate how much each individual player improved, then average all those together and ipso facto you have your normal pace of development for that season. You add the same data from other seasons and you will start being able to project how players are going to develop. Not a specific player, but on average how much you can expect a player to develop. Some will be over the average, some will be under. Some will be WAY over and some will be WAY under. In the end, it will form a pretty neat bell curve.

Let me repeat that this is a gross oversimplification. I'm not sure how you can say there isn't a normal pace of development. Unless your arguing that most players either are way over average or way below average. Or that it will vary wildly from year to year. One year a ton of people will above average, the next year a ton will be below average.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 04:55:41 PM
Weird that "normal" and "average" are now the same word.  Statistically speaking, yes, of course there is an average.  In this case, however, "normal" would be closely associated with "mode", or most frequent, and since you would have a very large data pool, it would be safe to assume that you could do a little rounding, to calculate mode.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 06, 2018, 05:11:41 PM
Here's yet another variable that makes this impossible to accurately predict; level of competition.  Other than his career high 24 against Jackson State, every time Haani broke the 20 point marker his Freshman year was against high majors.  So when the schedule got tougher for Haani, the level of production dropped off, when it got tougher for Sam, production picked up.  I don't care what the efficiency rating are, any metric that sees going from four 20 point performances to 2, as equal to going from 0 to 8, with two 30 point performances, is majorly flawed.

No. Your metrics are ridiculous. Do we need to get you on a 72 hour hold?

Haani as a frosh against KenPom Tier A&B: 86.5 ORtg, 9.9% DR%
Haanif as a soph against KenPom Tier A&B: 93.0 ORtg, 14.0% DR%
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
No. Your metrics are ridiculous. Do we need to get you on a 72 hour hold?

Haani as a frosh against KenPom Tier A&B: 86.5 ORtg, 9.9% DR%
Haanif as a soph against KenPom Tier A&B: 93.0 ORtg, 14.0% DR%

I thought eFG% ruled all???
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 06, 2018, 05:17:45 PM
I thought eFG% ruled all???

It does when it comes to a team winning and losing basketball games. u no undastand

#FTsNoMatta
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 05:19:08 PM
It does when it comes to a team winning and losing basketball games. u no undastand

#FTsNoMatta

I prefer players that help us win basketball games.  Players with higher eFG% do that better than those with lower eFG%.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 06, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
I prefer players that help us win basketball games.  Players with higher eFG% do that better than those with lower eFG%.

False!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: jesmu84 on November 06, 2018, 05:20:44 PM
Nm. Wrong thread
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
False!

So then eFG% mo matta??? You're contradicting yourself here bud. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 06, 2018, 05:25:20 PM
So then eFG% mo matta??? You're contradicting yourself here bud.

Not at all. You're not understanding the difference between individual stats and team stats.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 06, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Not at all. You're not understanding the difference between individual stats and team stats.

So if a stat helps your argument it matta, but if it doesn't help your argument it no matta.  Man this internet thing is easy man.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 07, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
So if a stat helps your argument it matta, but if it doesn't help your argument it no matta.  Man this internet thing is easy man.

Jay Bee is correct here. He could explain it better but I'm gonna try my best.

There is a significant difference between team and individual stats. eFG% does reign supreme when comparing two teams playing head to head. For as much that goes into a basketball game, winning really comes down to "who uses their possessions most efficiently." The best indicator of this is eFG%. The reason for this being that most possessions are going to end with a single missed or made FG. So the team that shoots the best the eFG% is likely to win because they will have had more made FGs (or less but more 3PMs) than their opponent. There are three other factors that influence but tend to have lower impact because they happen less frequently.  OR% matters because an offensive rebound allows you two FGAs (or more) in a single possession. TO% matters because it causes the possession to end without a FGA. FTR matters because FTAs don't get counted as FGAs but they can still add points to a possession.

Now this works on the team level because both teams are going to have roughly the same amount of possessions. I believe the biggest difference between two opponents in total possessions is 2 (One team wins the tip, gets the last possession arrow, and has the last possession of the game). So because one opponent can't have that many more possessions than their opponent, the efficiency of those possessions will determine who wins the game.

That's not true on the individual level. The amount of possessions a player will get will vary widely between individual players. So a player that gets more possessions but is less efficient may still be more important to winning the game than a player who gets less possession but is more efficient. Take the game last night. Markus' eFG% of 37.5% was very bad. He was still one of the three most important players in the game last night. Certainly more important than Bailey (50% eFG%), Cain (58.3%), or Joey (41.7%). Possibly more important than Sam (57.8%) or Theo (80%).

There's also the defensive side to consider. eFG% reigning supreme isn't just about shooting a good team eFG%, it's also about making your opponent shoot a bad eFG%. So just looking at eFG% on the individual level leaves out any contributions on the defensive end.

The most important thing a team can do is win the eFG% battle. There are a lot of different ways that individual players can help the team achieve that. Grab rebounds, play good defense, not turn the ball over, make the extra pass, and yes, shoot a high individual eFG%. So it is still an important stat, but not as important as it is when talking about team stats.

Clear as mud?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 07, 2018, 11:18:33 AM
I imagine the win last night will put us into #5 seed territory and "First Four Out" on Lunardi's bracket.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 09, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
Loyola Chicago lost to Furman, and #25 Washington is down 28 in the 2nd to Aubrun at the moment. Both were ahead of Marquette in the preseason AP poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2018, 10:02:11 PM
Loyola Chicago lost to Furman, and #25 Washington is down 28 in the 2nd to Aubrun at the moment. Both were ahead of Marquette in the preseason AP poll.

Wait a second ...

The great Loyola of Chicago ... the kingslayers? ... Sister What's Her Name's school? ... the school that is now such a basketball powerhouse that we want them in the Big East? ... they lost to Furman?

Impossible!

And yes, given the way voters vote, there is a chance we could move into the rankings.

Of course, nothing happens in a vacuum. Maybe some other unranked teams had more impressive wins than UMBC and Bethune Cookman.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 09, 2018, 10:50:18 PM
Wait a second ...

The great Loyola of Chicago ... the kingslayers? ... Sister What's Her Name's school? ... the school that is now such a basketball powerhouse that we want them in the Big East? ... they lost to Furman?

Impossible!

And yes, given the way voters vote, there is a chance we could move into the rankings.

Of course, nothing happens in a vacuum. Maybe some other unranked teams had more impressive wins than UMBC and Bethune Cookman.

I must say this result pleased me a great deal indeed!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MUDPT on November 09, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Buffalo beat West Virginia in OT.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: brewcity77 on November 09, 2018, 11:11:28 PM
Buffalo beat West Virginia in OT.

They'll pick up votes. Could be ranked if they come into the week of their game at MU unbeaten.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 05:48:14 AM
I must say this result pleased me a great deal indeed!

I understand the Loyola love, I really do. Everybody loves an underdog.

But they have had one excellent season and one OK season in the last 3 decades, but people were making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. The head coach that people have been drooling over was 89-105 in 6 seasons before last year.

I'll believe the Loyola program is worth a damn when they can be good 4 out of 5 years or 6 out of 8 years.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: brewcity77 on November 10, 2018, 07:29:18 AM
I'll believe the Loyola program is worth a damn when they can be good 4 out of 5 years or 6 out of 8 years.

On a Marquette related note, I do think Wardle is building something significant at Bradley. I could see them finishing ahead of Loyola in the MVC this year.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: barfolomew on November 10, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Loyola Chicago lost to Furman, and #25 Washington is down 28 in the 2nd to Aubrun at the moment. Both were ahead of Marquette in the preseason AP poll.

Final score: #11 Auburn  88    #25 Washington  66


Headline under that score on ESPN home page:

"Washington team bus blows tire, catches fire after loss to Auburn"
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: cheese ball chaser on November 10, 2018, 09:52:52 AM
I understand the Loyola love, I really do. Everybody loves an underdog.

But they have had one excellent season and one OK season in the last 3 decades, but people were making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. The head coach that people have been drooling over was 89-105 in 6 seasons before last year.

I'll believe the Loyola program is worth a damn when they can be good 4 out of 5 years or 6 out of 8 years.

Nobody is making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. I really don't get the hatred for LUC on this board. Let their fans enjoy their one good season. They've put up with a ton of losing.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 10, 2018, 10:17:04 AM
Nobody is making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. I really don't get the hatred for LUC on this board. Let their fans enjoy their one good season. They've put up with a ton of losing.

Agree with all of this.  Overrated this year?  Probably.  But a helluva lot of fun last year and will be decent this year.  After that, who knows? 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 12:19:33 PM
Nobody is making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. I really don't get the hatred for LUC on this board. Let their fans enjoy their one good season. They've put up with a ton of losing.

I have zero hate for Loyola, and I also enjoyed their run last year.

I just don't get those who think they've proven anything, nor do I get seemingly intelligent folks suggesting Loyola has accomplished enough to warrant being mentioned as a possible Big East team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: brewcity77 on November 10, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
We could crack the top-25. I could see us 24/25, if not we'll still be just outside.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
We could crack the top-25. I could see us 24/25, if not we'll still be just outside.

Ditto
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 11, 2018, 07:33:03 AM
I have zero hate for Loyola, and I also enjoyed their run last year.

I just don't get those who think they've proven anything, nor do I get seemingly intelligent folks suggesting Loyola has accomplished enough to warrant being mentioned as a possible Big East team.

Yep same. Plus I'm annoyed Custer didn't grad transfer here!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: dgies9156 on November 11, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
I understand the Loyola love, I really do. Everybody loves an underdog.

But they have had one excellent season and one OK season in the last 3 decades, but people were making them out to be the next Gonzaga or Wichita State. The head coach that people have been drooling over was 89-105 in 6 seasons before last year.

I'll believe the Loyola program is worth a damn when they can be good 4 out of 5 years or 6 out of 8 years.

My MBA is from Loyola and everyone was asking me last year why I wasn't showing "love" to "my" School.

I told them I wished the Ramblers well but "I AM A WARRIOR!" I aint no damn Rambler and as far as I am concerned, the season ended when the NCAA, in their infinite mindlessness, elected not to invite my Warriors to the NCAA tournament. "How's the Cardinals doing, anyway?"

Seems like the world has returned to normal. We have a good team and to the rest of the world, a Rambler is an antique care last made in the 1960s.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: moomoo on November 12, 2018, 06:48:03 AM
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/11/12/power-rankings-top-25-duke-kansas-kentucky-gonzaga-unc

MUBB 25

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 06:58:15 AM
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/11/12/power-rankings-top-25-duke-kansas-kentucky-gonzaga-unc

MUBB 25

Its happening!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 08:19:28 AM
Saw two voters released their votes and had us at 20 and 21.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: fjm on November 12, 2018, 08:30:25 AM
Saw two voters released their votes and had us at 20 and 21.

Encouraging. But preseason some people had us as high as 18 and we still missed out. Here’s hoping!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/5/18
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 12, 2018, 08:41:54 AM
My MBA is from Loyola and everyone was asking me last year why I wasn't showing "love" to "my" School.

I told them I wished the Ramblers well but "I AM A WARRIOR!" I aint no damn Rambler and as far as I am concerned, the season ended when the NCAA, in their infinite mindlessness, elected not to invite my Warriors to the NCAA tournament. "How's the Cardinals doing, anyway?"

Seems like the world has returned to normal. We have a good team and to the rest of the world, a Rambler is an antique care last made in the 1960s.

Like you, Mrs Legs and I are both MU undergrad and Loyola grad school.  Went to the Final Four last year (bc of daughter at Nova), and rooted for and enjoyed Loyola bc it's a local team for us and the underdog angle-but felt nothing for the team as a grad. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Wojoman on November 12, 2018, 11:06:10 AM
Lower then we should be!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 12, 2018, 11:11:10 AM
Saw two voters released their votes and had us at 20 and 21.
I'm hoping for a totally irrational 5-spot jump. Not that far-fetched in these polls...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: fjm on November 12, 2018, 11:28:44 AM
BOOM!!

#24
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on November 12, 2018, 11:29:03 AM
24 BABY!!!! Now let's stay ranked for the rest of the year! ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 12, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Feels good to be relevant again. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 12, 2018, 11:39:01 AM
We're baaaaack
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 11:40:11 AM
Whoot!!!!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GGGG on November 12, 2018, 11:44:10 AM
BOOM!!

#24


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Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 12, 2018, 11:44:17 AM
Whoot!!!!!
Oh hell yeah.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 11:44:23 AM
Nice. Always better to be ranked than not.

Big games coming up against #2 Kansas, #5 Tennessee (hopefully, because it means we beat Kansas), #12 K-State and #25 Buffalo (very deserving jump up for them).

Also two teams high in "others receiving votes": Indiana and F%cky.

And later on, of course, #8 Nova (and whatever other BEast teams move into the polls by the time we play them).

Sure would be nice if we could keep this ranking for awhile, and even improve on it, but it will require us to beat IU, for starters.

We got this!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on November 12, 2018, 11:44:32 AM
Back in Business baby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAa_TkKAwMw
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: jsglow on November 12, 2018, 11:44:38 AM
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Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2018, 11:57:43 AM
Being ranked is a good thing. Now lets beat Indiana and let the good times roll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 12, 2018, 12:03:30 PM
First time since December 1, 2013 when a loss to San Diego State in the Wooden Legacy tournament knocked us out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GB Warrior on November 12, 2018, 12:05:34 PM
Which Pizza Huts are giving free pizza to celebrate?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2018, 12:20:58 PM
First time since December 1, 2013 when a loss to San Diego State in the Wooden Legacy tournament knocked us out.

Wow, it's been a while.  Hope MU can keep it / prove they deserve it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: UWW2MU on November 12, 2018, 12:43:59 PM
My first grad semester at Marquette was the last time for both the men's basketball program and the MBA program to be nationally ranked.  I always figured they both fell out of rankings because the universe was punishing me personally.  Perhaps this proves otherwise!   

Now... when are the USNews rankings released?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: warriorchick on November 12, 2018, 12:58:12 PM
With apologies to MU82...


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Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: SaveOD238 on November 12, 2018, 12:58:45 PM
First time since December 1, 2013 when a loss to San Diego State in the Wooden Legacy tournament knocked us out.

Nearly five years.  Too long.

When was the last time the men and women were both ranked?  Has it ever happened?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Newsdreams on November 12, 2018, 01:00:02 PM
Where is Ron Paul????
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 12, 2018, 01:04:47 PM
Nearly five years.  Too long.

When was the last time the men and women were both ranked?  Has it ever happened?

Well the women's team was horrible during my four years so definitely pre-2011.

On that note, men's bball, women's bball, and volleyball are all ranked. That I can almost assure you has never happened at Marquette.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 01:06:05 PM
With apologies to MU82...


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No apologies necessary.

Prayerful folks ... those who see no value in prayer ... all are welcome under the MU82 umbrella!

(And of course, the gif was all but in teal anyway, given the person saying those prayerful words.)

First time since December 1, 2013 when a loss to San Diego State in the Wooden Legacy tournament knocked us out.

Was wondering about that but too lazy to look it up, so thanks for the info.

I blame Wojo for that loss to SD State, BTW.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: cheebs09 on November 12, 2018, 01:08:11 PM
Nearly five years.  Too long.

When was the last time the men and women were both ranked?  Has it ever happened?

End of 2007 according to Paint Touches.

https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1062055341431635968?s=21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: warriorchick on November 12, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
No apologies necessary.



In that case:

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Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
In that case:

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A-women, sister chickadee!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2018, 01:30:00 PM
What better way to get IU motivated on their home court than to put that bullseye on our backs.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: WarriorInNYC on November 12, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
First time since December 1, 2013 when a loss to San Diego State in the Wooden Legacy tournament knocked us out.

1,807 days
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
I am so pumped for Thursday morning. I think some of these guys are going to come out with swagger we haven't seen before under wojo
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Babybluejeans on November 12, 2018, 02:16:55 PM
Man had no idea it was that long. Figured we slipped in at some point two years ago. Rankings don't mean squat in mid-November and I don't consider this the sign that We're Officially Back (that'll be making the Sweet Sixteen this year). But. It's nice to be relevant.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Man had no idea it was that long. Figured we slipped in at some point two years ago. Rankings don't mean squat in mid-November and I don't consider this the sign that We're Officially Back (that'll be making the Sweet Sixteen this year). But. It's nice to be relevant.

A few weeks during the 15-16 and 16-17 seasons we received votes during one week respectively.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: muguru on November 12, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
1807 days...is exactly 1807 days too long...this had BETTER be the last time this program is unranked for a VERY VERY VERY long time.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Goose on November 12, 2018, 02:45:51 PM
It has been a long time since last ranked and hope this is a start of a long time being ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
1807 days...is exactly 1807 days too long...this had BETTER be the last time this program is unranked for a VERY VERY VERY long time.

Chill amigo, even if we take care of IU and Pres then we follow that up with a week against a top 5 team which we'd then have to take down another top 5 team. Maybe wait till the Big East season. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2018, 03:05:51 PM
Chill amigo, even if we take care of IU and Pres then we follow that up with a week against a top 5 team which we'd then have to take down another top 5 team. Maybe wait till the Big East season.

Yeah but beat IU and we ain’t getting knocked out of the top 25 for losing to Kansas.

Maybe if we also lost to UL.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 03:10:07 PM
Yeah but beat IU and we ain’t getting knocked out of the top 25 for losing to Kansas.

Maybe if we also lost to UL.

I disagree. It depends more what the teams sandwiched around us do. If numbers 25-28 pick up wins and 23 and above continue to then I think we'd fall out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Its DJOver on November 12, 2018, 03:15:08 PM
I disagree. It depends more what the teams sandwiched around us do. If numbers 25-28 pick up wins and 23 and above continue to then I think we'd fall out.
This.  I'd also add that it really doesn't matter this early.  If we beat I4 and go 1-1 in Brooklyn, whether or not we're ranked has nothing to do with the fact that (assuming no cupcake slip-up) November would have gone as well as possible.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
I disagree. It depends more what the teams sandwiched around us do. If numbers 25-28 pick up wins and 23 and above continue to then I think we'd fall out.

There’s no way a Kansas loss would bump us.

That week is holiday tourney week. Everyone is playing real competition...so yeah, some will win. But others will lose to teams much worse.

Of course we have to beat IU first. But I’m willing to bet if we beat IU we stay in the polls til loss #2 at the soonest.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 03:41:15 PM
There’s no way a Kansas loss would bump us.

That week is holiday tourney week. Everyone is playing real competition...so yeah, some will win. But others will lose to teams much worse.

Of course we have to beat IU first. But I’m willing to bet if we beat IU we stay in the polls til loss #2 at the soonest.

Not a perfect comparison but in 2013-14 we were 17 and 1-0 then went 1-1 with the loss being to no 10 Ohio st. We dropped 25. Again not a perfect comp but I stand by my stance. Probably find out soon though.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 12, 2018, 04:05:53 PM
Not a perfect comparison but in 2013-14 we were 17 and 1-0 then went 1-1 with the loss being to no 10 Ohio st. We dropped 25. Again not a perfect comp but I stand by my stance. Probably find out soon though.

We didn't just lose to Ohio State.  We got embarrassed by Ohio State.  I brought 3 HS (non Marquette) friends to that game - we traveled 350 miles by car to get to Milwaukee to go to that game. 

Just brutal.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on November 12, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
Respect the process.  A loss to Kansas won't mean a thing if we also lose to Indiana.  Biggest game of the season is Wednesday.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GGGG on November 12, 2018, 04:14:39 PM
Not a perfect comparison but in 2013-14 we were 17 and 1-0 then went 1-1 with the loss being to no 10 Ohio st. We dropped 25. Again not a perfect comp but I stand by my stance. Probably find out soon though.


We were actually 2-0.  We beat Southern and Grambling, the latter of which is when "Magic Dawson" emerged.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 04:19:26 PM

We were actually 2-0.  We beat Southern and Grambling, the latter of which is when "Magic Dawson" emerged.

College poll archive said 1-0 first week 2-1 next week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GGGG on November 12, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
I misread your post.  I thought you said 1-0 when we played Ohio State.  Sorry.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 12, 2018, 04:32:03 PM
Biggest game of the season is Wednesday.

This already?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 05:06:00 PM
this had BETTER be the last time this program is unranked for a VERY VERY VERY long time.

Or else what?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on November 12, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Or else what?
Fire Wojo
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: cheese ball chaser on November 12, 2018, 07:42:36 PM
Respect the process.  A loss to Kansas won't mean a thing if we also lose to Indiana.  Biggest game of the season is Wednesday.

Not even close to the biggest game of the season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: naginiF on November 12, 2018, 08:14:04 PM
This already?
At least 'the next game is always the most important game of the season' can be reasonably argued as accurate.  The "MU BETTER do _______ or else" is completely illogical.

Legal disclaimer: If MUGuru threatens to plant a bomb at the FF or attack Wojo, this is not an intention to 'trigger' him.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 13, 2018, 11:18:36 AM
What's the deal with the USA Today poll? Did they just, um, decide not to do it this week?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 13, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
What's the deal with the USA Today poll? Did they just, um, decide not to do it this week?

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Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: jsglow on November 13, 2018, 12:49:53 PM
Not a perfect comparison but in 2013-14 we were 17 and 1-0 then went 1-1 with the loss being to no 10 Ohio st. We dropped 25. Again not a perfect comp but I stand by my stance. Probably find out soon though.

THAT game?  I remember that awful day.   >:(
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 13, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
THAT game?  I remember that awful day.   >:(

Me too... for 1000x reasons it was terrible
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 13, 2018, 03:52:47 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/46861819/whats-the-deal.jpg)
Yep, I hear it now.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on November 14, 2018, 08:26:18 PM
Lol...nope
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2018, 10:09:19 PM
Unranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on November 14, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
Cut this threat off.. players see a number next to the schools name and think theyre all that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: tower912 on November 15, 2018, 08:31:37 AM
Just rank.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2018, 09:09:01 AM
I've always hated this thread. Whenever it gets resurrected we seem to lose.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Goose on November 15, 2018, 09:19:29 AM
TAMU

As I have stated to you many times, I respect your excitement over the program and knowledge you bring to the site. This is one post that I think you are better than. I want a program that has a "what are going to be ranked" thread. Furthermore, I want it to be a debate that includes high ranking in the polls.

Like it or not, there remains a great deal of work ahead for this program. From my perspective, the talent level just is not there, especially at the guard position. As I stated in another post, I think there are a lot of nice complimentary players that would be well on a very good team. If Wojo can coach, he can make something out of this group. If not, there will be more disappointing moments this season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: real chili 83 on November 15, 2018, 09:21:12 AM
Goose,

Let's see what next Wednesday brings us.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2018, 09:24:55 AM
TAMU

As I have stated to you many times, I respect your excitement over the program and knowledge you bring to the site. This is one post that I think you are better than. I want a program that has a "what are going to be ranked" thread. Furthermore, I want it to be a debate that includes high ranking in the polls.

Like it or not, there remains a great deal of work ahead for this program. From my perspective, the talent level just is not there, especially at the guard position. As I stated in another post, I think there are a lot of nice complimentary players that would be well on a very good team. If Wojo can coach, he can make something out of this group. If not, there will be more disappointing moments this season.

Goose,

If you think that's what I meant by my post I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Goose on November 15, 2018, 09:28:36 AM
real

I am not jumping ship on the season and my expectations remain at same level as they were a year ago when "next season" was the rally cry on here. I expected, and expect, similar results that we have seen the last couple of years.

I will add, there is nothing that would make happier (in my sports fandom life) than the expectations of others to be met. One season in my life I rooted against MU and that was the Dukiet's swan song. By no stretch, am I hoping for a bust of a year. Said it last year and will say it again, I hope that all that high hopes for this season end up being spot on.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: The Thing on November 19, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Still receiving 7 votes. We can jump right back in with a win Wednesday.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 19, 2018, 12:07:49 PM
Guys, we are going to get smoked on Wednesday.  Don't even bother getting yourself excited about a W. 

I am going to watch and root like hell for a W, and obviously hope it happens.  But we're talking 10% or less chance.  This team has not looked good at all and we're playing likely the best all around team in the country.  Its not going to go well. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 19, 2018, 12:14:08 PM
Guys, we are going to get smoked on Wednesday.  Don't even bother getting yourself excited about a W. 

I am going to watch and root like hell for a W, and obviously hope it happens.  But we're talking 10% or less chance.  This team has not looked good at all and we're playing likely the best all around team in the country.  Its not going to go well.

Do you think we play the same way we did against IU?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2018, 12:22:43 PM
Guys, we are going to get smoked on Wednesday.  Don't even bother getting yourself excited about a W. 

I am going to watch and root like hell for a W, and obviously hope it happens.  But we're talking 10% or less chance.  This team has not looked good at all and we're playing likely the best all around team in the country.  Its not going to go well.

Probably. If both teams play an average game we will lose by double digits. But that's why we play the games. If we play one of our best games, they play one of their worst, or some combo of the two we can win.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2018, 01:13:01 PM
MU received 8 and 7 points respectively in this weeks  AP and Coaches poll. So a few voters gave MU the benefit of the doubt on the road loss in a tough venue.

I am hoping that the  NY area MU fan base shows up at Barclay , could give the team a boost this week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 19, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
It was written...

“With numerous challenging games (more than half of MU’s regular season games will be against teams in or receiving votes in the preseason AP top 25), we see the season playing out in one of two ways.

The Warriors could pick up a few losses to very good teams early on, delaying their recognition by the masses and having some fans expressing needless concern. In this scenario, we still believe by the end of the regular season MU will be set for a strong postseason run and will be seen as a dangerous and “underrated” team heading into the tournament.”
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Goose on November 19, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Herman and others,

Is MU ranked again this season?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: fjm on November 19, 2018, 01:26:21 PM
Herman and others,

Is MU ranked again this season?

Yes.
Jan 14th.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 19, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
It was written...

“With numerous challenging games (more than half of MU’s regular season games will be against teams in or receiving votes in the preseason AP top 25), we see the season playing out in one of two ways.

The Warriors could pick up a few losses to very good teams early on, delaying their recognition by the masses and having some fans expressing needless concern. In this scenario, we still believe by the end of the regular season MU will be set for a strong postseason run and will be seen as a dangerous and “underrated” team heading into the tournament.”

I am not really concerned about the L persay, I am worried that this team has looked terribly disjointed and frankly super unimpressive.

Sorry to be negative - I rarely am when it comes to MU hoops - but I just expected more this season.  I am wholly unimpressed 4 games in.  I still think this is a tournament team, but I don't see a top 15 type team I thought we'd be getting.  Seems to me we're going to rely on Markus shooting the lights out to win big games.  That is not a good thing to have to rely on to win. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 19, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
Herman and others,

Is MU ranked again this season?

Yes.
What is your answer to this Question?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: dgies9156 on November 19, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
Guys, we are going to get smoked on Wednesday.  Don't even bother getting yourself excited about a W. 

I am sure the University of Maryland Baltimore County faithful (all six of them) said exactly the same thing last March. I believe they were up against the Number 1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament.

I'm sure many of the faithful of Loyola University of Chicago also said exactly the same thing. They were up against the field in the NCAA. Had they not won the Missouri Valley Conference tournament, Sister Jean would have been a woman who wasn't known much past Sheridan on the south, Broadway on the west, the city limits on the north and Lake Michigan on the east. We all know how that turned out.

I'm sure many of the faithful said the same thing a couple of years back when the Villanova Wildcats confidently rode into Wisconsin's largest city thinking they had a pesky but eminently beatable basketball foe that requirement vanquishment. Nobody on this board has any doubt about how THAT one turned out.

Finally, there was the little Jesuit school that barely made the NCAA tournament years ago. The school had lost several of its end-of-the-season games and, up to that time, had one of the worst records ever for an at-large bid into the NCAA. It happened only because the school was leading Michigan at halftime (a game it would go on to lose) and its colorful head coach was retiring. NO ONE and I mean NO One on that Sunday afternoon would have dreamed that just a few weeks later, that school would be national champions.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 19, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I am sure the University of Maryland Baltimore County faithful (all six of them) said exactly the same thing last March. I believe they were up against the Number 1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament.

I'm sure many of the faithful of Loyola University of Chicago also said exactly the same thing. They were up against the field in the NCAA. Had they not won the Missouri Valley Conference tournament, Sister Jean would have been a woman who wasn't known much past Sheridan on the south, Broadway on the west, the city limits on the north and Lake Michigan on the east. We all know how that turned out.

I'm sure many of the faithful said the same thing a couple of years back when the Villanova Wildcats confidently rode into Wisconsin's largest city thinking they had a pesky but eminently beatable basketball foe that requirement vanquishment. Nobody on this board has any doubt about how THAT one turned out.

Finally, there was the little Jesuit school that barely made the NCAA tournament years ago. The school had lost several of its end-of-the-season games and, up to that time, had one of the worst records ever for an at-large bid into the NCAA It happened only because the school was leading Michigan at halftime (a game it would go on to lose) and its colorful head coach was retiring. NO ONE and I mean NO One on that Sunday afternoon would have dreamed that just a few weeks later, that school would be national champions.

So now we're on par with UMBC and/or Loyola? That's a bit depressing 2 weeks into the best season this program was supposed to have had in over half a decade. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Goose on November 19, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
Loose

I would say, I doubt that we will be ranked again this season. If NC schedule turns out poorly, it would need a nice winning streak to right the ship.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 19, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
Loose

I would say, I doubt that we will be ranked again this season. If NC schedule turns out poorly, it would need a nice winning streak to right the ship.

OK thanks, that sounds like a qualified No.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 19, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
Yes.
Jan 14th.

Barring a massive upset in NYC this week, this looks like a very good bet
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2018, 05:20:26 PM
B1G looking strong. 6 teams in the top 25 and Indiana, Maryland, and Nebraska are the top 3 vote getters in "Others receiving votes."
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 19, 2018, 06:05:01 PM
B1G looking strong. 6 teams in the top 25 and Indiana, Maryland, and Nebraska are the top 3 vote getters in "Others receiving votes."

Best wins for the others receiving votes...
I4 - vs. Marquette (0-1 against others teams not in the KenPom bottom 300)
Maryland - vs. Hofstra (no good wins)
Nebraska - vs. Seton Hall (no other good wins)

#ItsNotReal
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
Best wins for the others receiving votes...
I4 - vs. Marquette (0-1 against others teams not in the KenPom bottom 300)
Maryland - vs. Hofstra (no good wins)
Nebraska - vs. Seton Hall (no other good wins)

#ItsNotReal

Sure it's based on perception at this point. Personally, I was expecting a lot of Big 10 teams in the 20-40 range. I think that's how it will play out in the end.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 19, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
Sure it's based on perception at this point. Personally, I was expecting a lot of Big 10 teams in the 20-40 range. I think that's how it will play out in the end.

Agreed - they have loads of mediocre teams.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: real chili 83 on November 19, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
Guys, we are going to get smoked on Wednesday.  Don't even bother getting yourself excited about a W. 

I am going to watch and root like hell for a W, and obviously hope it happens.  But we're talking 10% or less chance.  This team has not looked good at all and we're playing likely the best all around team in the country.  Its not going to go well.

Are you rooting from the 508?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 19, 2018, 06:44:08 PM
Are you rooting from the 508?

J5 said he's not coming. Gave some other excuse, but it's probably because he heard you may be there.

Are you almost definitely coming? I'm debating what to do on Weds (MG or stay DT after work). I may leave the office around 1pm and get looooose before the game, then walk over to 508.. but not 100% sure yet. I'm not expecting a big turnout, but who knows.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: real chili 83 on November 19, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
J5 said he's not coming. Gave some other excuse, but it's probably because he heard you may be there.

Are you almost definitely coming? I'm debating what to do on Weds (MG or stay DT after work). I may leave the office around 1pm and get looooose before the game, then walk over to 508.. but not 100% sure yet. I'm not expecting a big turnout, but who knows.

Yes, almost definitely.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on November 20, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
MU received 8 and 7 points respectively in this weeks  AP and Coaches poll. So a few voters gave MU the benefit of the doubt on the road loss in a tough venue.

I am hoping that the  NY area MU fan base shows up at Barclay , could give the team a boost this week.
FWIW, only one AP voter (Theo Lawson) ranked MU and he did so at 19. That is how we have 7 votes
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 20, 2018, 03:53:42 PM
J5 said he's not coming. Gave some other excuse, but it's probably because he heard you may be there.

Are you almost definitely coming? I'm debating what to do on Weds (MG or stay DT after work). I may leave the office around 1pm and get looooose before the game, then walk over to 508.. but not 100% sure yet. I'm not expecting a big turnout, but who knows.

Mainly just worried I'll have to protect my fiance from Jay Bee's advances while the poor girl just tries to watch the game!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Jay Bee on November 20, 2018, 08:16:52 PM
Mainly just worried I'll have to protect my fiance from Jay Bee's advances while the poor girl just tries to watch the game!

#Valid
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 26, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
No longer receiving votes after an L to Kansas and a clutch W over Louisville - yet UW moves up after a loss to UVA (and win over Oklahoma and not-so-good Stanford team). Nothing to see here...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 26, 2018, 02:42:03 PM
No longer receiving votes after an L to Kansas and a clutch W over Louisville - yet UW moves up after a loss to UVA (and win over Oklahoma and not-so-good Stanford team). Nothing to see here...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings)

MU doesn't deserve to be ranked or receiving votes at this juncture, and pretty sure we were only receiving votes last week because one dude must've missed the Indiana game and left MU at 19. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 26, 2018, 03:39:11 PM
MU doesn't deserve to be ranked or receiving votes at this juncture, and pretty sure we were only receiving votes last week because one dude must've missed the Indiana game and left MU at 19.
I like that dude.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on November 29, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
If we go undefeated until conference play -  a distinct possibility - what's our ranking?

I'm guessing #12-#16 range.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Archies Bat on December 02, 2018, 03:24:27 PM
Also receiving votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 02, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
Also receiving votes.

A decent few ranked teams have lost this week. I could see us sneaking in.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 02, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
A decent few ranked teams have lost this week. I could see us sneaking in.

I think we need to win out against UTEP and Rodents then we would be ranked. I am guessing just some votes this week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: tower912 on December 02, 2018, 03:39:07 PM
A couple of votes.  Maybe.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 02, 2018, 03:44:43 PM
Not
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 02, 2018, 04:12:59 PM
I think we'll be receiving votes. Here are teams ahead of us that lost:


9) Michigan State (Lost @ Louisville)
11) North Carolina (Lost @ #7 Michigan)
12) Kansas State (Lost @ Marquette)
13) Virginia Tech (Lost @ Penn State)
14) Iowa (Lost to #22 Wisconsin)
16) Ohio State (Lost to Syracuse)
17) Texas (Lost to Radford)
18) Oregon (Lost to Texas Southern & @ Houston)
19) Purdue (Lost @ #15 FSU & @ #7 Michigan)
24) Maryland (Lost to #4 Virginia)
ARV) Clemson (Lost to Nebraska)
ARV) Creighton (Lost to #1 Gonzaga)
ARV) Indiana (Lost @ #3 Duke)

If I were to guess, Texas, Oregon, Purdue, and Maryland is the most that will fall out, with Texas and Oregon seemingly locks. The next four up in votes received that didn't lose are Arizona State, Furman, LSU, and UCLA. I think Arizona State and LSU seem pretty solid to get in. If it isn't one of those other two, Syracuse and Nebraska both had solid road wins that could allow them to leapfrog some teams, and if any other Big East team does get in I think it would be unbeaten St. John's.

We'll pick up some votes, but it will take at least another week, maybe even two or three, to get back in.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Windyplayer on December 03, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
I think we'll be receiving votes. Here are teams ahead of us that lost:


9) Michigan State (Lost @ Louisville)
11) North Carolina (Lost @ #7 Michigan)
12) Kansas State (Lost @ Marquette)
13) Virginia Tech (Lost @ Penn State)
14) Iowa (Lost to #22 Wisconsin)
16) Ohio State (Lost to Syracuse)
17) Texas (Lost to Radford)
18) Oregon (Lost to Texas Southern & @ Houston)
19) Purdue (Lost @ #15 FSU & @ #7 Michigan)
24) Maryland (Lost to #4 Virginia)
ARV) Clemson (Lost to Nebraska)
ARV) Creighton (Lost to #1 Gonzaga)
ARV) Indiana (Lost @ #3 Duke)

If I were to guess, Texas, Oregon, Purdue, and Maryland is the most that will fall out, with Texas and Oregon seemingly locks. The next four up in votes received that didn't lose are Arizona State, Furman, LSU, and UCLA. I think Arizona State and LSU seem pretty solid to get in. If it isn't one of those other two, Syracuse and Nebraska both had solid road wins that could allow them to leapfrog some teams, and if any other Big East team does get in I think it would be unbeaten St. John's.

We'll pick up some votes, but it will take at least another week, maybe even two or three, to get back in.
Beat Wisconsin on Saturday and we have a real chance to go undefeated in non-con from there on out.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 03, 2018, 11:13:12 AM
We have the opportunity to beat two 12's in a row. And maybe even 3 if Buffalo makes the jump after the rodents fall!  We might have a new lucky number...Matt Heldt is fixen it up with the #12
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 03, 2018, 11:14:36 AM
Also three spots out of the rankings. Close in position but not in actual votes received. Still more votes than anticipated for me 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Its DJOver on December 03, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Also three spots out of the rankings. Close in position but not in actual votes received. Still more votes than anticipated for me
Yep, more votes than I thought we'd get.  Also now confident that 2-0 this week will get us in, wasn't so sure before today with the activity around us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MuMark on December 03, 2018, 11:26:38 AM
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
First of all, Furman being in is a complete and utter joke. Yes, they beat Villanova, but that alone shouldn't put them in. They needed overtime to beat sub-200 Gardner-Webb at home. They needed double-overtime to beat sub-300 Western Carolina at home this past Saturday. If results matter, then their most recent result should matter. Being the equal of a sub-300 team for 45+ minutes does not warrant being in the top-25. Voters just saw they didn't lose and moved them up their ballots.

Second, Michigan doesn't have a single #1 vote. That means 64 AP voters are doing it wrong. Few teams have better wins than Michigan's wins over North Carolina, Villanova, and Purdue. No team has wins of that caliber by 17+ points in each game. No one else has been closer than 17 points either. Michigan is decimating everyone they play. There is no logical rationale for putting Gonzaga, who has 2 single-digit wins including a bad Illinois team, Duke, who has a loss and 1 single-digit win, Kansas, who needed overtime twice and has 4 single-digit wins, or Virginia, who has 3 single-digit wins, ahead of Michigan. Even the pace of play argument doesn't hold up because while Virginia plays slow, Michigan is 327th in the country in pace, so they are destroying teams while playing at a Virginia-like pace.

Third, where did LSU go? They had 41 votes last week and were 5 out of being ranked. Since they, they beat Grambling at home by 21. Not anything special, but they seemingly lost all their votes. They are not ranked and not listed on NCAA.com as having any votes.

Finally, we're where I expected us to be, though we have a pretty good case to be in right now. Our two best wins are better than almost anyone who's ranked 13th or worse. Villanova & Arizona State have comparable wins, but the wins over Louisville and K-State are better than what Texas Tech, UNC, Virginia Tech, K-State, Buffalo, Iowa, Ohio State, Mississippi State, Maryland, Nebraska, or Furman have on their resumes. We do have two losses, but our losses are better than the two losses UNC & Villanova have, and Virginia Tech, K-State, and Mississippi State all have losses that are worse than our worst loss.

It'll all sort itself out. If we win two this week, we will be ranked by this time next week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
We have the opportunity to beat two 12's in a row. And maybe even 3 if Buffalo makes the jump after the rodents fall!  We might have a new lucky number...Matt Heldt is fixen it up with the #12

Love this comment, LM!

Beat F%cky, and we are comfortably in the rankings next week, probably top 20.

We got this!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2018, 12:04:48 PM
Go 2-0 and we will be ranked

Purdue still getting 100 votes?? Sure they have 3 top 25 losses.

But they also are 5-3 with 5 wins vs cupcakes
Edit. Davidson isn’t a cupcake but also not a resume builder
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2018, 12:06:43 PM
First of all, Furman being in is a complete and utter joke. Yes, they beat Villanova, but that alone shouldn't put them in. They needed overtime to beat sub-200 Gardner-Webb at home. They needed double-overtime to beat sub-300 Western Carolina at home this past Saturday. If results matter, then their most recent result should matter. Being the equal of a sub-300 team for 45+ minutes does not warrant being in the top-25. Voters just saw they didn't lose and moved them up their ballots.

Second, Michigan doesn't have a single #1 vote. That means 64 AP voters are doing it wrong. Few teams have better wins than Michigan's wins over North Carolina, Villanova, and Purdue. No team has wins of that caliber by 17+ points in each game. No one else has been closer than 17 points either. Michigan is decimating everyone they play. There is no logical rationale for putting Gonzaga, who has 2 single-digit wins including a bad Illinois team, Duke, who has a loss and 1 single-digit win, Kansas, who needed overtime twice and has 4 single-digit wins, or Virginia, who has 3 single-digit wins, ahead of Michigan. Even the pace of play argument doesn't hold up because while Virginia plays slow, Michigan is 327th in the country in pace, so they are destroying teams while playing at a Virginia-like pace.

Third, where did LSU go? They had 41 votes last week and were 5 out of being ranked. Since they, they beat Grambling at home by 21. Not anything special, but they seemingly lost all their votes. They are not ranked and not listed on NCAA.com as having any votes.

Finally, we're where I expected us to be, though we have a pretty good case to be in right now. Our two best wins are better than almost anyone who's ranked 13th or worse. Villanova & Arizona State have comparable wins, but the wins over Louisville and K-State are better than what Texas Tech, UNC, Virginia Tech, K-State, Buffalo, Iowa, Ohio State, Mississippi State, Maryland, Nebraska, or Furman have on their resumes. We do have two losses, but our losses are better than the two losses UNC & Villanova have, and Virginia Tech, K-State, and Mississippi State all have losses that are worse than our worst loss.

It'll all sort itself out. If we win two this week, we will be ranked by this time next week.

You are putting far too much stock into margin of victory. Those 3 wins for Michigan are nice no doubt. But those 3 teams are also very overrated. They aren’t close to a Duke or even a Wisconsin at this point.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 03, 2018, 12:20:58 PM
I can't speak for the rest of this but LSU lost to OKST on Sunday and most AP voters have their ballots completed before the Sunday games
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 03, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
First of all, Furman being in is a complete and utter joke. Yes, they beat Villanova, but that alone shouldn't put them in. They needed overtime to beat sub-200 Gardner-Webb at home. They needed double-overtime to beat sub-300 Western Carolina at home this past Saturday. If results matter, then their most recent result should matter. Being the equal of a sub-300 team for 45+ minutes does not warrant being in the top-25. Voters just saw they didn't lose and moved them up their ballots.

Second, Michigan doesn't have a single #1 vote. That means 64 AP voters are doing it wrong. Few teams have better wins than Michigan's wins over North Carolina, Villanova, and Purdue. No team has wins of that caliber by 17+ points in each game. No one else has been closer than 17 points either. Michigan is decimating everyone they play. There is no logical rationale for putting Gonzaga, who has 2 single-digit wins including a bad Illinois team, Duke, who has a loss and 1 single-digit win, Kansas, who needed overtime twice and has 4 single-digit wins, or Virginia, who has 3 single-digit wins, ahead of Michigan. Even the pace of play argument doesn't hold up because while Virginia plays slow, Michigan is 327th in the country in pace, so they are destroying teams while playing at a Virginia-like pace.

Third, where did LSU go? They had 41 votes last week and were 5 out of being ranked. Since they, they beat Grambling at home by 21. Not anything special, but they seemingly lost all their votes. They are not ranked and not listed on NCAA.com as having any votes.

Finally, we're where I expected us to be, though we have a pretty good case to be in right now. Our two best wins are better than almost anyone who's ranked 13th or worse. Villanova & Arizona State have comparable wins, but the wins over Louisville and K-State are better than what Texas Tech, UNC, Virginia Tech, K-State, Buffalo, Iowa, Ohio State, Mississippi State, Maryland, Nebraska, or Furman have on their resumes. We do have two losses, but our losses are better than the two losses UNC & Villanova have, and Virginia Tech, K-State, and Mississippi State all have losses that are worse than our worst loss.

It'll all sort itself out. If we win two this week, we will be ranked by this time next week.

You're putting way more thought into this than the voters.  A quick scan of results, tweak last week's ballot, submit. That's the process.

Don't put too much stock in the value of the poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: GGGG on December 03, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
You're putting way more thought into this than the voters.  A quick scan of results, tweak last week's ballot, submit. That's the process.

Don't put too much stock in the value of the poll.


Especially in early December.  It will normalize as more people pay attention.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: UWW2MU on December 03, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
Surprised Ben Steele didn't have us on his ballot.  Is he usually harder on the local teams?  Even that other team in our state is lower seeded than most other ballots.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/ben-steele
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 03, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
You are putting far too much stock into margin of victory. Those 3 wins for Michigan are nice no doubt. But those 3 teams are also very overrated. They aren’t close to a Duke or even a Wisconsin at this point.

?? Strange comment. Michigan is clearly better than UW right now and would be a 1 seed if the season ended today
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
?? Strange comment. Michigan is clearly better than UW right now and would be a 1 seed if the season ended today

Yes. Michigan is better than UW. But UNC, Purdue, and Nova are not. At least not right now. Those are the best wins of teams like Gonzaga and UVA, who started higher in the polls than Michigan did and has at least 1 win that is better than Michigan’s best, by a pretty decent margin.

I’d put Kansas, UVA, and Gonzaga over Michigan for sure and would have Duke and Nevada right on par with them.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 03, 2018, 01:45:56 PM
It is fantastic we are going to get credit for playing the Badgers as a top 12 team.  Even better when we beat them.

There is no way in hell the Badgers are a top 15 team in the country. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 03, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
It is fantastic we are going to get credit for playing the Badgers as a top 12 team.  Even better when we beat them.

There is no way in hell the Badgers are a top 15 team in the country.

Kenpom has them at #10.

But yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 03, 2018, 02:00:24 PM
Kenpom has them at #10.

But yeah, I agree.

He's admitted his system is inaccurate with WI
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 03, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Kenpom has them at #10.

But yeah, I agree.

Wisco is always in Kenpom's top 10. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 02:05:27 PM
Yes. Michigan is better than UW. But UNC, Purdue, and Nova are not. At least not right now. Those are the best wins of teams like Gonzaga and UVA, who started higher in the polls than Michigan did and has at least 1 win that is better than Michigan’s best, by a pretty decent margin.

I’d put Kansas, UVA, and Gonzaga over Michigan for sure and would have Duke and Nevada right on par with them.

UNC, Purdue, and Nova combined are better wins than Wisconsin, Dayton, and Maryland. Especially when Michigan dominated all three and Virginia struggled to put their opponents away while playing at a similar pace (so the idea of margin being irrelevant because of UVa's pace would be a false one).

And UNC, Purdue, and Nova are also better than Duke, Creighton, and Arizona, especially when two of those three were again by narrow margins.

Right now, as far as body of work, Michigan is the best team in the country. It's not close.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TheREALwrk on December 03, 2018, 02:08:21 PM
He's admitted his system is inaccurate with WI

How do you mean?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Its DJOver on December 03, 2018, 02:10:44 PM
How do you mean?

His algorithm value pace differently than others, so playing at a slower pace always helps them have better kenpom numbers than they deserve.  It would be similar with UVA except that they're a legit top 10 team. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 02:13:37 PM
How do you mean?

He wrote an article a few years ago about how Wisconsin benefited overly much in his system. It was largely based on pace of play, because a high efficiency at a slower pace would make for a smaller sample size, which pushed teams like Wisconsin and Virginia to the top of the model.

I'm not sure if that is still a problem. There are more top-100 teams in terms of pace (5) in the top-10 than bottom-100 teams (3).
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 03, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
He's admitted his system is inaccurate with WI

He did. But he also had made changes to his system since then to try to correct it.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 03, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Right now, as far as body of work, Michigan is the best team in the country. It's not close.

All coaches with votes (but 1) and all AP voters disagree with you. 

I tend to agree somewhat, I'd probably have Michigan 3 behind 1. Kansas and 2. Gonzaga, but I do agree they've been the most impressive so far this season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 03, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
UNC, Purdue, and Nova combined are better wins than Wisconsin, Dayton, and Maryland. Especially when Michigan dominated all three and Virginia struggled to put their opponents away while playing at a similar pace (so the idea of margin being irrelevant because of UVa's pace would be a false one).

And UNC, Purdue, and Nova are also better than Duke, Creighton, and Arizona, especially when two of those three were again by narrow margins.

Right now, as far as body of work, Michigan is the best team in the country. It's not close.

It's really too early to say how good any of those wins are.  We'll know much more later in the season.

BTW, Gonzaga beat Creighton by 11 and Arizona by 17. Not exactly close margins.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2018, 03:11:11 PM
UNC, Purdue, and Nova combined are better wins than Wisconsin, Dayton, and Maryland. Especially when Michigan dominated all three and Virginia struggled to put their opponents away while playing at a similar pace (so the idea of margin being irrelevant because of UVa's pace would be a false one).

And UNC, Purdue, and Nova are also better than Duke, Creighton, and Arizona, especially when two of those three were again by narrow margins.

Right now, as far as body of work, Michigan is the best team in the country. It's not close.

Gonzaga and Kansas both have stronger wins at the top.

Zags beat Duke without Tillie which absolutely demolishes any other win to this point.

And Kansas has Tennessee and Michigan State as far superior wins as well
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 03:16:32 PM
BTW, Gonzaga beat Creighton by 11 and Arizona by 17. Not exactly close margins.

And they beat a bad Illinois team by 6. Gonzaga is good, but they have not been as impressive as Michigan so far. It's just a hard sell when the Zags' most decisive significant win (Arizona) is an equal margin to Michigan's least impressive win over UNC.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 03, 2018, 03:35:52 PM
And they beat a bad Illinois team by 6. Gonzaga is good, but they have not been as impressive as Michigan so far. It's just a hard sell when the Zags' most decisive significant win (Arizona) is an equal margin to Michigan's least impressive win over UNC.

Well you never said anything about Illinois so I was confused about who the 2nd close game was against.

I know you're adamant about the quality of Michigan's wins but I think UNC and Purdue are both overrated.   We shall see.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU_CHI on December 03, 2018, 03:55:25 PM
And they beat a bad Illinois team by 6. Gonzaga is good, but they have not been as impressive as Michigan so far. It's just a hard sell when the Zags' most decisive significant win (Arizona) is an equal margin to Michigan's least impressive win over UNC.

Zags win against Duke is probably the best win in college basketball so far. So by your logic are you saying that the fact that Michigan beat Purdue by 19 and UNC by 17 that you're convinced they would beat both Duke and Gonzaga? Wins > Winning margin at the end of the day IMO.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
Zags win against Duke is probably the best win in college basketball so far. So by your logic are you saying that the fact that Michigan beat Purdue by 19 and UNC by 17 that you're convinced they would beat both Duke and Gonzaga? Wins > Winning margin at the end of the day IMO.

Duke looks really overwhelming, but I'm not convinced they are as good as people think. I do think Michigan would beat them. Duke blasted a Kentucky team that frankly hasn't looked that impressive since then against a litany of cupcakes. They slipped by a good but probably not great Auburn team and their wins over San Diego State and Indiana don't impress me as much as any of Michigan's big wins. Zion is a freak of nature and they have great talent, but I'm just not convinced they are a great team, and I'm not sure they will be until they figure out that Tre Jones is by far their most important player.

As far as Gonzaga, again it's simply how impressive they've looked. The Duke win is great and all, but they needed to rally after being down big in the second half against Arizona, struggled to beat Illinois, and had to rally late to come from behind at Creighton. I have no doubt they are good, but they have been far from dominant.

Michigan has been dominant every time out. They trailed once in a second half. They haven't trailed after the under-16 timeout in any game and Pomeroy hasn't had them at less than 85% to win any game after the under-16. They didn't need to rally late, they didn't need to hold off any comeback attempts like Gonzaga and Duke have. And they absolutely suffocate you. They build a massive lead every time out, then bleed the clock on both ends of the floor.

Anything can happen in a one-off, but I think in a seven-game series Michigan would beat Duke or Gonzaga. They are better coached, more disciplined, and far better on defense. They're the best team I've seen this year.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2018, 04:18:25 PM
Duke looks really overwhelming, but I'm not convinced they are as good as people think. I do think Michigan would beat them. Duke blasted a Kentucky team that frankly hasn't looked that impressive since then against a litany of cupcakes. They slipped by a good but probably not great Auburn team and their wins over San Diego State and Indiana don't impress me as much as any of Michigan's big wins. Zion is a freak of nature and they have great talent, but I'm just not convinced they are a great team, and I'm not sure they will be until they figure out that Tre Jones is by far their most important player.

As far as Gonzaga, again it's simply how impressive they've looked. The Duke win is great and all, but they needed to rally after being down big in the second half against Arizona, struggled to beat Illinois, and had to rally late to come from behind at Creighton. I have no doubt they are good, but they have been far from dominant.

Michigan has been dominant every time out. They trailed once in a second half. They haven't trailed after the under-16 timeout in any game and Pomeroy hasn't had them at less than 85% to win any game after the under-16. They didn't need to rally late, they didn't need to hold off any comeback attempts like Gonzaga and Duke have. And they absolutely suffocate you. They build a massive lead every time out, then bleed the clock on both ends of the floor.

Anything can happen in a one-off, but I think in a seven-game series Michigan would beat Duke or Gonzaga. They are better coached, more disciplined, and far better on defense. They're the best team I've seen this year.

Speaking of unimpressive

Purdue
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MUBigDance on December 03, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
Duke, Michigan are both in my 1-seeds and as we have seen, both are great. Wouldn't that be a great final?!

other 1's are Gonzaga and a team to be named later...maybe Virginia. Zags have a nicer road to navigate. But a think a cut below Duke and Michigan.

Kansas is good but not impressive...I see them getting knocked down to a 2 or even 3.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 03, 2018, 05:37:49 PM
Duke, Michigan are both in my 1-seeds and as we have seen, both are great. Wouldn't that be a great final?!

other 1's are Gonzaga and a team to be named later...maybe Virginia. Zags have a nicer road to navigate. But a think a cut below Duke and Michigan.

Kansas is good but not impressive...I see them getting knocked down to a 2 or even 3.

Duke, Gonzaga,  Michigan,  Kansas, and Nevada look like the clear top 5 this year.  Tennessee not far behind,  but I don't think the Vols have upside of the others.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2018, 06:52:10 PM
Duke, Gonzaga,  Michigan,  Kansas, and Nevada look like the clear top 5 this year.  Tennessee not far behind,  but I don't think the Vols have upside of the others.

So ... Marquette at NO. 7 then? Nice!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2018, 07:15:03 PM
Duke, Gonzaga,  Michigan,  Kansas, and Nevada look like the clear top 5 this year.  Tennessee not far behind,  but I don't think the Vols have upside of the others.

Tennessee is really good too. If Schofield plays even a halfway decent game they beat Kansas.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: MuMark on December 03, 2018, 07:20:32 PM
Virginia looks pretty good too........Duke clearly the most talented and with the highest upside.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2018, 10:41:42 PM
And they beat a bad Illinois team by 6. Gonzaga is good, but they have not been as impressive as Michigan so far. It's just a hard sell when the Zags' most decisive significant win (Arizona) is an equal margin to Michigan's least impressive win over UNC.

Again, you're focusing way too much on margin of victory.  UNC, Purdue, and Iowa all lose to Duke by about 25 at this point in the season.  Gonzaga beat them by 2 on a neutral while controlling all but about a 4 minute spurt that got Duke in striking distance, and all without their 2nd best player.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2018, 12:27:10 AM
Again, you're focusing way too much on margin of victory.  UNC, Purdue, and Iowa all lose to Duke by about 25 at this point in the season.  Gonzaga beat them by 2 on a neutral while controlling all but about a 4 minute spurt that got Duke in striking distance, and all without their 2nd best player.

This is pure speculation. I'm talking about facts. On the court, on the resume, Michigan has been the unquestionably better team. And margin of victory is one of the best predictors of team quality and future results.

https://kenpom.com/blog/evidence-that-scoring-margin-matters/

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2018, 06:38:50 AM
This is pure speculation. I'm talking about facts. On the court, on the resume, Michigan has been the unquestionably better team. And margin of victory is one of the best predictors of team quality and future results.

https://kenpom.com/blog/evidence-that-scoring-margin-matters/

Unquestionably? Lol. It simply isn’t. They haven’t beat anyone close to a Duke or a Tennessee. Not even close. They beat a team that lost by 30 to Michigan State (who lost to the team we should’ve beat comfortably, I guess), a team that lost at home to Furman and dang near lost to 0-8 LaSalle, and a team that has one good win.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 04, 2018, 06:53:56 AM
Isn't the general rule that the transitive property doesn't work in basketball?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 04, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
Unquestionably? Lol. It simply isn’t. They haven’t beat anyone close to a Duke or a Tennessee. Not even close. They beat a team that lost by 30 to Michigan State (who lost to the team we should’ve beat comfortably, I guess), a team that lost at home to Furman and dang near lost to 0-8 LaSalle, and a team that has one good win.

Plus, Michigan beat UNC, who lost to Texas, who lost at home to Radford.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2018, 07:30:04 AM
Isn't the general rule that the transitive property doesn't work in basketball?

It is, but apparently this is the hill wades is willing to die on. And if we're going by the "X beat Y beat Z" arguments then we're so far down the rabbit hole we aren't paying attention to actual results.

The body of work and resume favors Michigan, especially when you consider the way in which they created that body of work. They didn't just win games, they curbstomped everyone they played.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Bocephys on December 04, 2018, 07:31:37 AM
Plus, Michigan beat UNC, who lost to Texas, who lost at home to Radford.

Which means Wojo probably can't even beat Radford, which is why we should fire Wojo!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 04, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
It is, but apparently this is the hill wades is willing to die on. And if we're going by the "X beat Y beat Z" arguments then we're so far down the rabbit hole we aren't paying attention to actual results.

The body of work and resume favors Michigan, especially when you consider the way in which they created that body of work. They didn't just win games, they curbstomped everyone they played.

I think you're the one who chose the hill to die on.  Anyone that disagrees with your opinion of Michigan is wrong because you're convinced you're criteria is right.

Michigan is very, very good.   But there is room at the table for other opinions,  including ones that think other teams are better than Michigan.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2018, 09:27:13 AM
It is, but apparently this is the hill wades is willing to die on. And if we're going by the "X beat Y beat Z" arguments then we're so far down the rabbit hole we aren't paying attention to actual results.

The body of work and resume favors Michigan, especially when you consider the way in which they created that body of work. They didn't just win games, they curbstomped everyone they played.

It appears you're the only one dying on a hill.  Basically everyone that hasn't dug into a hot take realizes that Texas is a bubble team, UNC will wind up being solid but really hasn't impressed at all early this season, and Purdue isn't even an NIT team.  It has nothing to do with transitive property and everything to do with none of their wins being very good.  You try to downplay a win against Duke/how good Duke is but then talk up a blowout over Purdue...someone everyone is blowing out.  It's laughable.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2018, 09:34:35 AM
Lets all keep in mind that rankings really mean nothing until about early-to-mid January.  At this point last year, Minnesota (a team that had no postseason play) was ranked higher than Virginia (the number one overall seed).  Some people seem to have a lot invested in non MU teams.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 04, 2018, 09:57:06 AM
At this point Duke neutral/Zona neutral/Creighton away is a better 3 collection of wins than Nova away/Purdue home/Unc home.

Michigan won their games by more pts.

But the zags wins right now have more weight
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2018, 10:16:53 AM
You try to downplay a win against Duke/how good Duke is but then talk up a blowout over Purdue...someone everyone is blowing out.  It's laughable.

I'm going to go ahead and accept this as evidence you don't really pay attention to college basketball that much, because only one team has blown out Purdue.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2018, 10:32:31 AM
At this point Duke neutral/Zona neutral/Creighton away is a better 3 collection of wins than Nova away/Purdue home/Unc home.

Michigan won their games by more pts.

But the zags wins right now have more weight

Debatable, and I would say it isn't. Most any metric would disagree with that take as well. The NET gives Michigan 3 top-35 wins. kenpom.com gives Michigan 3 top-18 wins. Sagarin has them with 3 top-23 wins. The only metric in which Michigan's third best win is better than Gonzaga's second best win is Sagarin (Arizona 22, Villanova 23).

And again, I would point to the fashion of the wins. Michigan has destroyed everyone they've played. No one else has come close to doing that except Nevada, but their best win (@USC by 12) pales in comparison to Michigan's three best by a mile.

The only defensible position is not dropping teams because they didn't lose. That's the entire argument.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 04, 2018, 10:50:53 AM
There's another argument. Fair or not, at the beginning of the season Michigan was projected to be a back of the top 25ish team by most. Kansas was projected to be #1 or #2 and Gonzaga was projected to be top 10. These conclusions were made based on the roster each team had. What they lost, who they gained, etc.

In the first week of December, I have no issue with someone who says the sample size is still too small. I think its reasonable for someone to believe that Gonzaga/Kansas have underachieved so far and Michigan has overachieved. The more games we play, the less valid that argument becomes. But it's only December, we're not a third of the way through the season yet. Michigan has certainly looked like the #1 team in the nation, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them regress towards the mean either. I have the same thoughts about Bucky. What they've done so far has earned them a top 15 ranking....but I don't think they are a top 15 team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 04, 2018, 11:12:05 AM
Debatable, and I would say it isn't. Most any metric would disagree with that take as well. The NET gives Michigan 3 top-35 wins. kenpom.com gives Michigan 3 top-18 wins. Sagarin has them with 3 top-23 wins. The only metric in which Michigan's third best win is better than Gonzaga's second best win is Sagarin (Arizona 22, Villanova 23).

And again, I would point to the fashion of the wins. Michigan has destroyed everyone they've played. No one else has come close to doing that except Nevada, but their best win (@USC by 12) pales in comparison to Michigan's three best by a mile.

The only defensible position is not dropping teams because they didn't lose. That's the entire argument.

No it’s very debatable. You’re using flawed early season ratings like NET while everything is getting sorted out.

Arizona has beaten ISU and a road win at uconn. No need to throw a parade but that beats the living fu ck out of anything Purdue has accomplished. Nova has yet to look impressive than Creighton. And Duke blows away unc.

Can Purdue win a quality game before before call them a quality team?? Seriously. They might be good, but if you’re gonna point to who Michigan has beaten...don’t conveniently stop at what Purdue has done to be a good win.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 04, 2018, 11:15:07 AM
Debatable, and I would say it isn't. Most any metric would disagree with that take as well. The NET gives Michigan 3 top-35 wins. kenpom.com gives Michigan 3 top-18 wins. Sagarin has them with 3 top-23 wins. The only metric in which Michigan's third best win is better than Gonzaga's second best win is Sagarin (Arizona 22, Villanova 23).

And again, I would point to the fashion of the wins. Michigan has destroyed everyone they've played. No one else has come close to doing that except Nevada, but their best win (@USC by 12) pales in comparison to Michigan's three best by a mile.

The only defensible position is not dropping teams because they didn't lose. That's the entire argument.

NET has Zona ahead of both Purdue and Nova btw and closer to UNC than Purdue is to Zona.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 04, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
Michigan barely beats a mediocre Northwestern team. So that means they suck now right?  ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PTM on December 04, 2018, 11:23:44 PM
Michigan barely beats a mediocre Northwestern team. So that means they suck now right?  ;D

Assclowns couldn't cover.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Boston Warrior on December 04, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
So Marquette drops 6 spots in kenpom tonight after the win against UTEP?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PTM on December 04, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
So Marquette drops 6 spots in kenpom tonight after the win against UTEP?

Calculators...amiright?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Jay Bee on December 05, 2018, 05:37:43 PM
So Marquette drops 6 spots in kenpom tonight after the win against UTEP?

Would think so. Bad game from an AdjE perspective.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: jesmu84 on December 06, 2018, 01:55:16 PM
Marquette 33 on Lunardis latest S-curve
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU_CHI on December 06, 2018, 01:57:04 PM
Marquette 36 in NET, Wisconsin 6, Buffalo 12....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 11:57:00 PM
Marquette 36 in NET, Wisconsin 6, Buffalo 12....

So this means we'll move way up after we stomp 'em both, right?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: WarriorFan on December 07, 2018, 01:44:59 AM
If there are 2 teams with 8-2 records in the FF on Saturday afternoon, we should move into the top 25...
Doesn't beating 2 x 12's get you at least a 24?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 07, 2018, 10:58:23 AM
Obviously this is all contingent on beating Bucky, but I tend to think a win on Saturday should (it won't because voters will be gunshy after ranking us 24 too early) vault us into the Top 20 if not Top 15.  Two loss teams around that area would include Iowa (MSU [10], Bucky [12]), UNC (Michigan [5], Texas [UNR]), and Bucky (Virginia [4], MU [UNR]).  Again, contingent on a win against Bucky - on Monday, our resume would be at least on par with those teams, if not better.

Just get that dub Saturday and let's see what happens.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
I'm concerned with the number in the win column not the number next to the team name.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 07, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
I'm concerned with the number in the win column not the number next to the team name.

Yep, they can't take the win away, it's here to stay, Ratings not so much.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 07, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
I'm concerned with the number in the win column not the number next to the team name.
Thanks, John Wooden.  Lol come on, we are the fans - we have nothing to do with the outcome, but it's fun to speculate how high we could climb!  Especially after the Wojo rankings drought of 2013-2018.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
MU will be ranked wherever they deserve to be.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 07, 2018, 11:40:30 AM
MU will be ranked wherever they deserve to be.
I get what you are saying but that is simply not true...Are you telling me that Furman deserves to be ranked?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 07, 2018, 12:45:02 PM
I hate when we post in this thread before a game.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2018, 03:47:31 PM
I hate when we post in this thread before a game.

It doesn't go well when we post in it after a game either  ;D :-[
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: cheebs09 on December 07, 2018, 04:34:45 PM
It doesn't go well when we post in it after a game either  ;D :-[

I think it’s time to get this thing locked.

The AP poll is just Fake News anyways.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: source? on December 07, 2018, 10:57:27 PM
Thanks, John Wooden.  Lol come on, we are the fans - we have nothing to do with the outcome, but it's fun to speculate how high we could climb!  Especially after the Wojo rankings drought of 2013-2018.

Wow, so Wojo was mind gaming Buzz back in 2013? He's worse than I thought!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2018, 06:36:12 AM
Wow, so Wojo was mind gaming Buzz back in 2013? He's worse than I thought!

That's why we lost to Syracuse. Freaking Wojo.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 08, 2018, 12:42:40 PM
Hall might get a good win

But it won’t stay good.

This Kentucky team is absolutely awful.

Not one player actually knows basketball.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2018, 01:11:11 PM
I hate when we post in this thread before a game.

Won't it always be "before a game" until the season's over. And even then, it will be "before" next season's opening game!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 08, 2018, 11:38:05 PM
I don’t know what teams towards the bottom of the top 25 did but I’ll say 22.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2018, 11:58:12 PM
I don’t know what teams towards the bottom of the top 25 did but I’ll say 22.

2nd in ORV Syracuse - W vs Northeastern, W vs Georgetown
1st in ORV Purdue - W vs Maryland
#25 Furman - W @Elon, W @USC Upstate
#24 Nebraska - L @Minnesota, W vs Creighton
#23 Maryland - L @Purdue, W vs Loyola(IL)
#22 Mississippi State - W vs McNeese State, W vs Clemson
#21 Villanova - W vs Temple, W vs St. Joe's
#20 Arizona State - L vs Nevada(N)
#19 Ohio State - W vs Illinois
#18 Iowa - L @Michigan State, W vs Iowa State
#17 Buffalo - W vs LeMoyne(D2), W @ St. Bonaventure
#16 Kansas State - L @Tulsa

I think we hop Syracuse, Furman, Nebraska, Maryland, and Kansas State putting as at #23. I don't see voters punishing Arizona State or or Iowa for their losses too much. I could see an argument for dropping Bucky below us after losing to us and barely beating Rutgers but I doubt that happens. I also think our win over Bucky was more impressive than Purdue's win over Maryland but I think they'll stay in front of us. The teams right behind us in others receiving votes all lost.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 09, 2018, 12:06:07 AM
12 + 12 = 24, just sayin.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 09, 2018, 12:28:18 AM
I don't see voters punishing Arizona State or or Iowa for their losses too much.

Iowa was destroyed though.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: #UnleashCain on December 09, 2018, 12:53:16 AM
Thanks, John Wooden.  Lol come on, we are the fans - we have nothing to do with the outcome, but it's fun to speculate how high we could climb!  Especially after the Wojo rankings drought of 2013-2018.
. What do you mean? We need to be focused on the next opponent no matter what. Or the team will overlook them.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2018, 02:03:43 AM
Iowa was destroyed though.

Yes, but they turned around cruised through a pretty solid Iowa State team a few days later. I hope we hop over them, I just get the feeling we won't.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 09, 2018, 03:03:36 AM
As long as buffalo reached no12 by the time they come to town I don't care what we are ranked
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 09, 2018, 07:32:06 AM
Iowa was destroyed though.

and they lost to wisco on their home floor last week
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 09, 2018, 09:02:27 AM
I want them ranked, so I can see highlights on Sportscenter.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: fjm on December 09, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
23rd sadly. We should be top 20.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: CAGASS24 on December 09, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
How are we still behind Louisville in these Net rankings - my word
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: AirPunch on December 09, 2018, 01:52:09 PM
How are we still behind Louisville in these Net rankings - my word

I just took a quick look at their schedule. My only thought is that they really pounded some of their cupcakes (40-50 points) and their losses have been pretty close other than Tennessee by 11. The beatdown we suffered vs Indiana really must have held a lot of weight as well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 09, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
I just took a quick look at their schedule. My only thought is that they really pounded some of their cupcakes (40-50 points) and their losses have been pretty close other than Tennessee by 11. The beatdown we suffered vs Indiana really must have held a lot of weight as well.

According to NET rankings the beatdown was a 10 point loss, just like their cupcake wins were 10 point wins..
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: cheebs09 on December 09, 2018, 02:22:32 PM
According to NET rankings the beatdown was a 10 point loss, just like their cupcake wins were 10 point wins..

True, but doesn’t the blowouts still benefit their efficiency numbers? So a blowout still shows up in the rankings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2018, 02:22:33 PM
According to NET rankings the beatdown was a 10 point loss, just like their cupcake wins were 10 point wins..

Not exactly. While they did cap the margin at 10, they didn't put any cap on offensive or defensive efficiency. So when you win 100-60 in a 75 possession game, it is the same as a 10-point win in the margin column, but the offensive efficiency is still 1.333 ppp and the defensive efficiency is still 0.800 ppp.

Teams that run up the victory margins will be benefited by the NET despite the margin cap.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 09, 2018, 02:27:00 PM
As long as buffalo reached no12 by the time they come to town I don't care what we are ranked

Yup.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Marquette4life on December 09, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
I dont know if we will get in for sure. I think we should get in and deserve to be ranked, but purdue will get in and I dont know about anyone else. I think if we do, we will be 23-25
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 09, 2018, 03:06:51 PM
I dont know if we will get in for sure. I think we should get in and deserve to be ranked, but purdue will get in and I dont know about anyone else. I think if we do, we will be 23-25

That assumes Purdue beats texas tonight.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Daniel on December 09, 2018, 03:57:04 PM
22 or 23.   When we beat Buffalo maybe we go up a few. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 09, 2018, 07:17:20 PM
  tenn. beat gonzaga on their floor!! 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MuMark on December 09, 2018, 07:50:44 PM
Louisville also has a road win and we don't yet.

 Iirc the NET is still using the road/neutral/home values for wins from the RPI as part of the formula.....road wins are valuable but obviously without knowing the formula it's hard to know how much that is depressing our ranking right now.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2018, 07:54:56 PM
  tenn. beat gonzaga on their floor!!

No they didn't. They played in Phoenix.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 09, 2018, 08:11:06 PM
3 ballots I have see so far:

David Borges:14
Seth Davis: 19
Jon Rothstein: 25
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2018, 08:42:02 PM
Louisville also has a road win and we don't yet.

 Iirc the NET is still using the road/neutral/home values for wins from the RPI as part of the formula.....road wins are valuable but obviously without knowing the formula it's hard to know how much that is depressing our ranking right now.
Quadrant system being used for team sheets again. Based on NET rankings this year.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 09, 2018, 09:03:48 PM
3 ballots I have see so far:

David Borges:14
Seth Davis: 19
Jon Rothstein: 25

Steele has us at 20.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 09, 2018, 10:19:36 PM
Steele has us at 20.

Outside of twitter, anywhere that aggregates these?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Bocephys on December 09, 2018, 10:23:43 PM
Outside of twitter, anywhere that aggregates these?

Two people always releases a list on Monday
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2018, 11:25:50 PM
Shaka did us a solid and beat Purdue. That should keep them from getting very many votes. I think the highest we could end up is 20 and the lowest is 24.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 09, 2018, 11:56:56 PM
So we beat the #12 team two weeks in a row, and have losses to soon to be ranked Indiana, and #1 Kansas... yet we aren't ranked?

You guys are nuts.  I'll take us at 20 at minimum.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
So we beat the #12 team two weeks in a row, and have losses to soon to be ranked Indiana, and #1 Kansas... yet we aren't ranked?

You guys are nuts.  I'll take us at 20 at minimum.

Nature of the beast. Many voters simply look at their rankings from the previous week, see who lost, move them down, and move up the teams that didn't lose. I would be surprised if there were 20 better current resumes out there, but I think we end up in the 20-24 range.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 10, 2018, 03:04:04 AM
3 ballots I have see so far:

David Borges:14
Seth Davis: 19
Jon Rothstein: 25

Eff Jon "It's all fun and games until someone loses a buy game" Rothstein.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2018, 03:18:12 AM
Eff Jon "It's all fun and games until someone loses a buy game" Rothstein.

His rankings are atrocious
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TVDirector on December 10, 2018, 06:26:43 AM
27 in net ranking-
Wonder how that’ll play with another week or so before next game. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: ATWizJr on December 10, 2018, 08:42:25 AM
RPI has us at 19. Important end of year stat if we can hold/improve that ranking.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: cheebs09 on December 10, 2018, 08:44:42 AM
3 ballots I have see so far:

David Borges:14
Seth Davis: 19
Jon Rothstein: 25

Jerry Carino has us at 21.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Archies Bat on December 10, 2018, 09:05:02 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nbc-sports-top-25-duke-042850586.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nbc-sports-top-25-duke-042850586.html)

21 in NBC Sports top 25
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: naginiF on December 10, 2018, 09:17:30 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nbc-sports-top-25-duke-042850586.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nbc-sports-top-25-duke-042850586.html)

21 in NBC Sports top 25
UW moves up a spot on the strength of an OT loss to us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: shoothoops on December 10, 2018, 09:30:55 AM
St. Louis Post Dispatch Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter has Marquette 15th this week in AP. He actually watches games and does his job well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 10, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
St. Louis Post Dispatch Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter has Marquette 15th this week in AP. He actually watches games and does his job well.

Matter no matta.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2018, 09:38:52 AM
Matter no matta.

Neither does Thad Matta!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
Katz has us 13... we beat Buffalo and we could see ourselves being considered top 10 on his list come conference
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
Katz has us 13... we beat Buffalo and we could see ourselves being considered top 10 on his list come conference

Impossible. Isn't "Katz hates us" one of the consistent whines 'round these parts?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 10, 2018, 11:08:58 AM
Katz has us 13... we beat Buffalo and we could see ourselves being considered top 10 on his list come conference

Not sure I like the dizzying talk of (dark)Matter and Katz both having us on the verge of the top10. Sonny might put Moysh in the bathroom with coffee-cake face....too many black cats. Expectedly, Kryptonite on the lead at Aqueduct.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Oldgym on December 10, 2018, 11:14:34 AM
Not sure I like the dizzying talk of (dark)Matter and Katz both having us on the verge of the top10. Sonny might put Moysh in the bathroom with coffee-cake face....too many black cats. Expectedly, Kryptonite on the lead at Aqueduct.

I'm pretty sure I agree with this, but I'll withhold final opinion until my head stops hurting.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2018, 11:15:50 AM
Not sure I like the dizzying talk of (dark)Matter and Katz both having us on the verge of the top10. Sonny might put Moysh in the bathroom with coffee-cake face....too many black cats. Expectedly, Kryptonite on the lead at Aqueduct.

Theres a couple ballots I've found that don't have us in at all. I don't think we're a top 15 team I'd probably have us 19 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 10, 2018, 11:17:02 AM
Impossible. Isn't "Katz hates us" one of the consistent whines 'round these parts?

My Bronx Tale “bathroom” reference is intended for those in our fan base who are eager to rank us too high, not for Matter and Katz. I really respect both those guys. Andy has gone out of is way to be fair towards MU. When he first started out in the business, I didn’t care for him. He seemed to try too hard to prove he had the inside scoop. He is one of my favorites now, as he has learned on the job how to put a unique spin on things.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: GGGG on December 10, 2018, 11:22:53 AM
Not sure I like the dizzying talk of (dark)Matter and Katz both having us on the verge of the top10. Sonny might put Moysh in the bathroom with coffee-cake face....too many black cats. Expectedly, Kryptonite on the lead at Aqueduct.


Katz is ranking us high so our fall will be faster and harder.

He is playing chess while others are simply playing checkers.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 10, 2018, 11:34:17 AM
#21 it is

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Sheriff on December 10, 2018, 11:34:53 AM
AP #21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MUBigDance on December 10, 2018, 11:39:06 AM
I like the Massey Composite:
https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm (https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm)

I don't have to be put off by the warts of any one of these illogical computer algorithms....lets just see where Marquette lands! they have us:
MEAN: ~32
MAX: 74 - Haslametrics
MIN: 15 - Pugh

It also has some nice highlighting helping you see min,max and some other calcs.

downside its sometimes out of date by a couple of days...but right now its pretty recent.

 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MuMark on December 10, 2018, 11:40:35 AM
RPI has us at 19. Important end of year stat if we can hold/improve that ranking.

You are aware that RPI doesn't matter at all anymore right?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 11/12/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 10, 2018, 11:44:19 AM
We have the opportunity to beat two 12's in a row. And maybe even 3 if Buffalo makes the jump after the rodents fall!  We might have a new lucky number...Matt Heldt is fixen it up with the #12

The best news to some might be that we are 21 but to me it is that Buffalo is only 2 spots away from our number!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
Solid #21 -- 70 pts behind Ariz St and 77 pts ahead of Iowa -- seems fair enough.

We jumped over K-State, which fell to a tie for 25th. We are still ranked behind F%cky (16) but then again we are ahead of Indiana (T25).

Two teams we lost to are #1 Kansas (neutral site) and T25 Indiana (on road).

Nova moved back into top 20 (17) and Johnnies moving up on ARV.

And yes, as LM says, Buffalo needs to move up only 2 spots!!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 10, 2018, 12:05:50 PM
21 pretty fair

Kentucky at 19 still is funny tho.

Not sure ASU has done much outside of only losing once to a great team
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: naginiF on December 10, 2018, 12:15:53 PM
Steele has us at 20.
He also put Bucky at 21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 10, 2018, 12:20:40 PM
Someone voted for NJIT?!?!?!

9-2, no good wins, losses to Cornell and UMass-Lowell by 13 and 23, respectively.

Keep this in mind when you think about rankings.  Having a vote in the AP poll does not mean one is a qualified basketball expert.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: warriorstrack on December 10, 2018, 12:26:00 PM
21st and also receiving votes, well played MU is that a first???  Banner!!;).
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-undefeated-kansas-regains-no-1-spot-in-ap-top-25-poll-ahead-of-duke-and-tennessee/   (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-undefeated-kansas-regains-no-1-spot-in-ap-top-25-poll-ahead-of-duke-and-tennessee/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2018, 12:31:55 PM
Surprising number of Pollsters didn't put us in after two top 15 wins

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018

A few of these guys have KState and UW ranked and didn't include us wtf?

Cecil Hurt
Elton Alexander
John Werner
TJ Werre
Richard Croome
David Cloninger
Bruce Pascoe
Theo Lawson
Brian Holland
Damien Sordelett
Dave Preston
Ken Weinman

Twitterverse hold them accountable!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2018, 12:35:00 PM
21 pretty fair

Kentucky at 19 still is funny tho.

Not sure ASU has done much outside of only losing once to a great team

I agree that ASU is overrated but they did beat a top 15 Mississippi State. Their game at San Francisco got delayed.  Would have been interesting to see how they did against a decent mig major on the road.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: UWW2MU on December 10, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
Surprising number of Pollsters didn't put us in after two top 15 wins

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018

A few of these guys have KState and UW ranked and didn't include us wtf?


For the most part, the ballots we missed on are largely... very bad.  That's being nice.  Worst offender I've found: Jesse Newell
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
Surprising number of Pollsters didn't put us in after two top 15 wins

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018

A few of these guys have KState and UW ranked and didn't include us wtf?

It will all work out. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 10, 2018, 12:41:15 PM
Surprising number of Pollsters didn't put us in after two top 15 wins

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018

A few of these guys have KState and UW ranked and didn't include us wtf?

John Wilner had us at 19 last week and dropped us to 20 after our two wins this week lol.

Definitely not concerned but very clear some of these guys don't pay much attention to things. Seth Davis is a guy who I don't like much but it's clear he spends a lot of time on his poll every week and I appreciate that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: lessthannick11 on December 10, 2018, 12:45:15 PM

For the most part, the ballots we missed on are for the most part... very bad.  That's being nice.  Worst offender I've found: Jesse Newell


You should look at Graham Couchs top 25. He has us ranked at 20, but the rest is trash, starting with not having Duke, Kansas and Tennessee ranked.....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: cheebs09 on December 10, 2018, 12:47:47 PM

You should look at Graham Couchs top 25. He has us ranked at 20, but the rest is trash, starting with not having Duke, Kansas and Tennessee ranked.....

He moved Wisconsin up 5 spots this week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: jsglow on December 10, 2018, 01:17:09 PM

You should look at Graham Couchs top 25. He has us ranked at 20, but the rest is trash, starting with not having Duke, Kansas and Tennessee ranked.....

Read his article.  He's simply making a point about putting your team out there on the road once or twice.  It's December.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Benny B on December 10, 2018, 01:17:51 PM
Read his article.  He's simply making a point about putting your team out there on the road once or twice.  It's December.


Oh.  I thought he was perhaps a HS intern whose parents took away his WiFi and TV last week.


EDIT: I read the article.  His point has merit, though I don't think it's valid.  It's a good thing he's not an odds-maker or every home team would start with 20 points.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
Did not make the coaches poll. Most points of others receiving votes though. Coaches still have Badgers 19 and K State 24. Maybe they didn't get the memo about us winning.

Seems like the Johnnies are being dissed by both the AP and the Coaches .

Buffalo needs to beat Southern Illinois and  Syracuse so they come into our game undefeated and  ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 10, 2018, 01:19:30 PM
Read his article.  He's simply making a point about putting your team out there on the road once or twice.  It's December.

That's up there with the "I didn't vote for Maddux because no one should be unanimous" garbage. You are given a privilege to vote--act like it is one.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LloydsLegs on December 10, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
Andy Katz has MU at 13
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: jsglow on December 10, 2018, 01:20:27 PM
Did not make the coaches poll. Most points of others receiving votes though. Coaches still have Badgers 19 and K State 24. Maybe they didn't get the memo about us winning.

Seems like the Johnnies are being dissed by both the AP and the Coaches .

Buffalo needs to beat Southern Illinois and  Syracuse so they come into our game undefeated and  ranked.

Things are about to ramp up for Buffalo.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 10, 2018, 01:20:41 PM

You should look at Graham Couchs top 25. He has us ranked at 20, but the rest is trash, starting with not having Duke, Kansas and Tennessee ranked.....

He wrote an article on it that supports e why he did so and I think it's a fine opinion. He refuses to rank teams that haven't played on the road because he asserts they are effectively playing a different game. He also says he treats each week separately and reevaluates them all, so once they do play on the road, they will go to their deserving position, be it in the top-5 or anywhere else.

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2264942002?__twitter_impression=true

The best part was this:

Quote from: Graham Couch
If you disagree, feel free to email me (gcouch@lsj.com) or tweet at me (@Graham_Couch), but do so only after you email or tweet at your spineless coach, whose fear of the road makes my point. Or whose arrogance deserves to be admonished.

I can respect that.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 10, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
Did not make the coaches poll. Most points of others receiving votes though. Coaches still have Badgers 19 and K State 24. Maybe they didn't get the memo about us winning.

Seems like the Johnnies are being dissed by both the AP and the Coaches .

Buffalo needs to beat Southern Illinois and  Syracuse so they come into our game undefeated and  ranked.

I will say it: I don't get Iowa ranked. They beat who...a disappointing Oregon team?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: jsglow on December 10, 2018, 01:22:59 PM
That's up there with the "I didn't vote for Maddux because no one should be unanimous" garbage. You are given a privilege to vote--act like it is one.

What brew said.  I've got no problem with him.  And was simply correcting any erroneous assumption that he doesn't know what he's talking about by not including Duke, etc.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 10, 2018, 01:24:57 PM
He wrote an article on it that supports e why he did so and I think it's a fine opinion. He refuses to rank teams that haven't played on the road because he asserts they are effectively playing a different game. He also says he treats each week separately and reevaluates them all, so once they do play on the road, they will go to their deserving position, be it in the top-5 or anywhere else.

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2264942002?__twitter_impression=true

The best part was this:

I can respect that.

No, its a stupid opinion.  He is overvaluing home court advantage.  Pure and simple.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2018, 01:26:35 PM
Not really.   How did MU play in their one true road game versus how they played at home in back to back Saturdays against ranked teams?     Road games are rough.    And he is covering one of the true road game warriors, Izzo.   
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 10, 2018, 01:29:04 PM
I will say it: I don't get Iowa ranked. They beat who...a disappointing Oregon team?

And Iowa State.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: skianth16 on December 10, 2018, 01:36:19 PM
I will say it: I don't get Iowa ranked. They beat who...a disappointing Oregon team?

After watching the Iowa-ISU game last week, I'm not surprised to see them in the rankings. I think they'll make some noise in the Big Ten this year. The win against Oregon may be a bit inflated, but convincing wins over UConn and ISU have to be carrying some weight right now.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 10, 2018, 01:40:47 PM
And Iowa State.

Who has lost to a bad Arizona team and hasn't really beat anyone.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 10, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
The fact that we are not ranked in over 25% of the polls is a little ridiculous. I get it is early and the numbers at this point don't matter but I feel like these people need to hold themselves a little more accountable to stay up to date on this
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 10, 2018, 02:08:18 PM

For the most part, the ballots we missed on are largely... very bad.  That's being nice.  Worst offender I've found: Jesse Newell

Looking at his twitter bio, he bases it off of KenPom.  Comparing the two, they are very similar. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: UWW2MU on December 10, 2018, 02:22:58 PM
Looking at his twitter bio, he bases it off of KenPom.  Comparing the two, they are very similar.

That is just pure laziness.  If I wanted to know what the data and metrics say, I would just go to kenpom, et al directly.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 10, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
That is just pure laziness.  If I wanted to know what the data and metrics say, I would just go to kenpom, et al directly.

It's not exact.  He's flipped a few teams and eliminated others.  But yeah, it's close.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: UWW2MU on December 10, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
He wrote an article on it that supports e why he did so and I think it's a fine opinion. He refuses to rank teams that haven't played on the road because he asserts they are effectively playing a different game. He also says he treats each week separately and reevaluates them all, so once they do play on the road, they will go to their deserving position, be it in the top-5 or anywhere else.

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2264942002?__twitter_impression=true

The best part was this:

I can respect that.

I can kind of see his point.   If we had scheduled a cupcake instead of on the road vs IU, our schedule would look 1000 times better to the casual observer.   A 9-1 record, losing only to the #1 ranked team, with wins over Louisville, Kansas State, and WI.     We'd probably be top 10 instead of 20+

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
I know of Cecil Hurt from the Paul Finebaum Show. I shocked to know he evens follows basketball. I though he was 100% a football guy.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
I know of Cecil Hurt from the Paul Finebaum Show. I shocked to know he evens follows basketball. I though he was 100% a football guy.

Given his rankings he probs doesn't
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2018, 08:30:06 AM
Show me #20!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Wojo's Whiteboard on December 17, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
The big question is what is Buffalo ranked and can they beat Syracuse before coming to Milwaukee?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2018, 09:54:59 AM
I'm going to guess 21. We should pass Nova but will guess we'll drop on a few ballots due to not playing and not being top of mind.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2018, 10:00:03 AM
The big question is what is Buffalo ranked and can they beat Syracuse before coming to Milwaukee?

Can they? Sure, but I imagine Boeheim will have the Orange dialed in after losing a buy game to Old Dominion. 2 straight buy losses would be a bad look, though they are both to teams that currently project to win their conferences.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2018, 10:02:22 AM
Luke DeCock has us at 23
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 10:03:04 AM
The big question is what is Buffalo ranked and can they beat Syracuse before coming to Milwaukee?

Buffalo has been interesting to watch. They gained a ton of credibility by winning at West Virginia who was ranked #13 to start the season. Since then, West Virginia has gone 5-3 with 0 top 100 KenPom wins and 2 losses to teams ranked below 90 in KenPom.

Other than the win at West Virginia, all of Buffalo's wins have been against sub 100 KenPom teams save a 4 point neutral court victory over #48 San Francisco.

They are definitely a top 40 team, and I think may be worthy of an at large bid by season's end, but as a top 15 team they are definitely a paper tiger.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
NR from Bozich

Josh Vitale has us at 15

Carino at 21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Marquette4life on December 17, 2018, 10:05:32 AM
Luke DeCock has us at 23
He had us at 24 last week
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2018, 10:07:12 AM
Buffalo has been interesting to watch. They gained a ton of credibility by winning at West Virginia who was ranked #13 to start the season. Since then, West Virginia has gone 5-3 with 0 top 100 KenPom wins and 2 losses to teams ranked below 90 in KenPom.

Other than the win at West Virginia, all of Buffalo's wins have been against sub 100 KenPom teams save a 4 point neutral court victory over #48 San Francisco.

They are definitely a top 40 team, and I think may be worthy of an at large bid by season's end, but as a top 15 team they are definitely a paper tiger.

This discussion I'm sure will continue after the North Dakota game, but I had the exact same feeling about Buffalo. I do like a couple of their players.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Skip Intro on December 17, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
The big question is what is Buffalo ranked and can they beat Syracuse before coming to Milwaukee?

So many reasons to want Buffalo to win that game - foremost for me is because if they lose, UB would be coming into Milwaukee desperately needing a win to even sniff the rankings for awhile.  And a Syracuse win wouldn't even be good film-room fodder on how we could go about beating them. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2018, 10:28:49 AM
Several voters didn't have us on their ballot last week.  I'm hoping those voters see MU at 21 and rethink not including them.  Might grab a few extra votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2018, 10:38:40 AM
Seth Davis has us at 17.

Chris Murray, John Nyatawa, and Mark Berman have us at 16.

Mark Cooper has us at 20.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
I don't know if Katz has a vote, but he has us at 15 in his power rankings which may also differ from a ballot.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
Up 1 to number 20. Villanova is the only other Big East team receiving votes, though they are no longer ranked.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
Up 1 to number 20. Villanova is the only other Big East team receiving votes, though they are no longer ranked.

The site isn't even refreshed, howd you see it?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Its DJOver on December 17, 2018, 11:39:39 AM
Up 1 to number 20. Villanova is the only other Big East team receiving votes, though they are no longer ranked.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

StJ is recieving votes, 59 of them, to Nova's 52.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2018, 11:40:35 AM
The site isn't even refreshed, howd you see it?

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
Much closer to 19 than to 21 ... I always like to see that kinda thing for some odd reason.

Buffalo didn't make it to 12, darn it. Still at 14.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Jay Bee on December 17, 2018, 11:46:09 AM
Up 1 to number 20. Villanova is the only other Big East team receiving votes, though they are no longer ranked.

Lies!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
There's still voters with KSU and UW on their ballots and have us off. Its ridiculous how some of these guys can claim to take their job seriously...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 17, 2018, 12:02:34 PM
There's still voters with KSU and UW on their ballots and have us off. Its ridiculous how some of these guys can claim to take their job seriously...
Brian Holland has us UR and the 6-5 Purdue @ 15...
Jesse Newell has us UR and Iowa State @ 17...
The only thing that makes sense is that nothing makes sense.

Also this was previously posted here but I wanted to throw back up here because its super user friendly and fun to play around with.. https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/2018
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 17, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Syracuse went from ranked 25th to 0 votes.

And someone has NJIT 25th. Explain.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 17, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
Syracuse went from ranked 25th to 0 votes.

And someone has NJIT 25th. Explain.
Syracuse lost to OD at home and John Feinstein has NJIT at 25 and the rest of his bracket his pretty ridiculous...but hey he has us at 14 so maybe he is a genius  ;D
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2018, 12:23:36 PM
Now let’s hope Buffalo takes out Cuse tomorrow

And we do our jobs tomorrow and Friday vs Buffalo.

Will have us in real good shape entering the holidays
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 17, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
Syracuse lost to OD at home and John Feinstein has NJIT at 25 and the rest of his bracket his pretty ridiculous...but hey he has us at 14 so maybe he is a genius  ;D

Yes, I knew Cuse lost to ODU.  My Syracuse comment was meant to be an observation. 

NJIT was the one that needs explaining.  I thought the paragraph break would have made that clear,  but I digress.

I just looked at the Feinstein ballot.  Yowza! That is, um...something.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

StJ is recieving votes, 59 of them, to Nova's 52.

Either I missed it or they edited it after the release. I specifically looked for SJU & Butler two extra times when it popped up on my feed and I didn't see them, so I tend to think it's the latter.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2018, 12:41:25 PM
23 on the coaches poll.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2018, 01:05:31 PM
Feinstein ballot below.

1   Tennessee
2   Kansas (
3   Virginia
4   Duke
5   Michigan
6   Gonzaga   
7   Nevada   
8   North Carolina   
9   Michigan State
10   Buffalo   
11   Auburn   
12   Texas Tech   
13   Florida State   
14   Marquette
15   Virginia Tech   
16   Ohio State
17   Mississippi State
18   Oklahoma   
19   Furman   
20   Arizona State   
21   Houston   
22   Wisconsin
23   Kentucky
24   Belmont   
25   NJIT   

Quote
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice: I'm John Feinstein.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 17, 2018, 01:23:07 PM
Feinstein ballot below.

1   Tennessee
2   Kansas (
3   Virginia
4   Duke
5   Michigan
6   Gonzaga   
7   Nevada   
8   North Carolina   
9   Michigan State
10   Buffalo   
11   Auburn   
12   Texas Tech   
13   Florida State   
14   Marquette
15   Virginia Tech   
16   Ohio State
17   Mississippi State
18   Oklahoma   
19   Furman   
20   Arizona State   
21   Houston   
22   Wisconsin
23   Kentucky
24   Belmont   
25   NJIT

MU at #14! Awesome, this guy knows what he's talking ab-

<continues scrolling, sees Belmont #24 & NJIT #25>

Revoke his voting privileges permanently please. ASAP
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
MU at #14! Awesome, this guy knows what he's talking ab-

<continues scrolling, sees Belmont #24 & NJIT #25>

Revoke his voting privileges permanently please. ASAP

Belmont is pretty damn good. They don’t have a lot on the resume but the UCLA win and two vs Lipscomb were very solid.

25 is overkill. But it’s not a complete out of nowhere pick
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 01:33:46 PM
I'm trying to understand why NJIT and there is literally no reason. They are 11-2 but KenPom ranks them #191 overall. They have a 13-point home loss to #237 Cornell and a 23-point road loss to #280 UMass Lowell. Their best two wins are at home against #152 Colgate in overtime and on the road to #174 Brown by three points.

Belmont is at least a little defensible. They are 8-1 and have a road win over UCLA and beat a top 100 Lipscomb team twice. But NJIT?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 17, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
Belmont is pretty damn good. They don’t have a lot on the resume but the UCLA win and two vs Lipscomb were very solid.

25 is overkill. But it’s not a complete out of nowhere pick

Precisely. So to put them it at even #25 is an offense to the entire exercise
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2018, 04:28:36 PM
See attachment on Feinstein voting NJIT at 25.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2018, 04:38:05 PM
Steve Spurrier used to rank Duke #25 in pre-season every year out of appreciation since they gave him his first head coaching gig.  The coaches association told him to stop doing that because it would wreck the integrity of the poll. 

Yet this overrated, insufferable writer does it week after week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MUMountin on December 17, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
Yet this overrated, insufferable writer does it week after week.

Eh, I don't have a problem with it.  At least there is a rationale and it doesn't sound like he just picks them out of a hat--just uses it to throw a small bone to a team that is playing well that otherwise might not get much recognition.  These are all subjective rankings anyway, so why worry about it?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 17, 2018, 04:47:42 PM
So he is now ranking teams based on who it means more to? Yikes. Participation trophy.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2018, 05:08:03 PM
So he is now ranking teams based on who it means more to? Yikes. Participation trophy.

And he's basically saying the teams he is voting for are undeserving, so how much can it really mean to them?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 17, 2018, 05:11:06 PM
So he is now ranking teams based on who it means more to? Yikes. Participation trophy.

That's so terribly pathetic.

With that logic, he might as well take Duke and KU out, since they know they'll be #1 seeds on Selection Sunday regardless of their ranking.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
Big opportunity week for moving up. We have a cupcake and home game against a top 15 team. A few of the teams in front us are playing some top teams and some sneaky good buy games. Everything comes up Marquette and we could be looking at a top 15 ranking.

#19 Kentucky vs #9 UNC
#18 Arizona State @Vandy & vs #1 Kansas
#17 Mississippi State vs Wofford (top 75 KenPom)
#15 Ohio State vs UCLA
#14 Buffalo @CUSE & @#20 MARQ
#12 Texas Tech vs #2 Duke
#11 Florida State vs Saint Louis (top 75 KenPom)
#8 Auburn @NCST & vs Murray State (top 75 KenPom)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 05:18:40 PM
So he is now ranking teams based on who it means more to? Yikes. Participation trophy.

Meh. Now that I know the rationale I'm a little more okay with it...but still, why NJIT? There are plenty of "little guys"out there who are better than NJIT. San Francisco, Murray State, Fresno State, Toledo, Belmont (who he ranked 24), Old Dominion, UC Irvine.....there's a whole bunch I would give it to before NJIT.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: Jay Bee on December 17, 2018, 05:45:12 PM
I don't know what the AP Voter Instructions are. Based on those, I may want some of the the voters removed immediately. Or, I may be OK with their nonsense and blame it all on the AP.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 17, 2018, 08:00:09 PM
#18 Arizona State just lost to Vandy. The opportunity to move up in the polls will be there this week!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
Big opportunity week for moving up. We have a cupcake and home game against a top 15 team. A few of the teams in front us are playing some top teams and some sneaky good buy games. Everything comes up Marquette and we could be looking at a top 15 ranking.

#19 Kentucky vs #9 UNC
#18 Arizona State @Vandy & vs #1 Kansas
#17 Mississippi State vs Wofford (top 75 KenPom)
#15 Ohio State vs UCLA
#14 Buffalo @CUSE & @#20 MARQ
#12 Texas Tech vs #2 Duke
#11 Florida State vs Saint Louis (top 75 KenPom)
#8 Auburn @NCST & vs Murray State (top 75 KenPom)

One down....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: jsglow on December 17, 2018, 09:45:22 PM
One down....

Don't jinx us brother.  Just win.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: GB Warrior on December 17, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
Chris Murray is the only one that gets this right and lists Buffalo at 12
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 17, 2018, 10:26:38 PM
Don't jinx us brother.  Just win.

Yeah.  The number next to our name will take care of itself if the number in the win column grows by 1 every game we play.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Cream Biggums on December 17, 2018, 10:53:13 PM
Graham Couch with Buffalo at 7, and has Big Ten programs overrated all over the place.  Bucky at 10, Nebraska at 13, Iowa at 15, and Maryland at 19. Oh and he also has Kansas unranked
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2018, 11:08:47 PM
Don't jinx us brother.  Just win.

Don't worry, when I'm on the court playing for Marquette I'm only thinking about the game right in front of me.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2018, 11:15:44 PM
Graham Couch with Buffalo at 7, and has Big Ten programs overrated all over the place.  Bucky at 10, Nebraska at 13, Iowa at 15, and Maryland at 19. Oh and he also has Kansas unranked

He's the guy that refuses to rank a team until they play a true away game. Weird gimmick, but he will have Kansas high ne t week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 18, 2018, 06:27:35 AM
Big opportunity week for moving up. We have a cupcake and home game against a top 15 team. A few of the teams in front us are playing some top teams and some sneaky good buy games. Everything comes up Marquette and we could be looking at a top 15 ranking.

#19 Kentucky vs #9 UNC
#18 Arizona State @Vandy & vs #1 Kansas
#17 Mississippi State vs Wofford (top 75 KenPom)
#15 Ohio State vs UCLA
#14 Buffalo @CUSE & @#20 MARQ
#12 Texas Tech vs #2 Duke
#11 Florida State vs Saint Louis (top 75 KenPom)
#8 Auburn @NCST & vs Murray State (top 75 KenPom)

We should pass Kentucky this week.  I watched their game with Seton Hall and was unimpressed.

And some UK fan on the college basketball subreddit said that UK would beat MU 6 out of 7 times because a) Hagans would shut down Howard and b) they’re taller than us (is that even true?). What a load of crap.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 18, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
We should pass Kentucky this week.  I watched their game with Seton Hall and was unimpressed.

And some UK fan on the college basketball subreddit said that UK would beat MU 6 out of 7 times because a) Hagans would shut down Howard and b) they’re taller than us (is that even true?). What a load of crap.

I tend to disagree. UK is 1-2 vs top-100 kenpom teams with the only win over #99 Greensboro. Their worst loss is to a Seton Hall team whose results haven't matched ours. Meanwhile, our two losses are better than their worst loss and we have three top-50 wins, three more than UK. Sizewise, Hagans is taller than Howard, but we're within an inch (some taller, some shorter) at every other position. I think it'd be close in a seven game series, and think our defense would give us a slight edge, but probably a coin flip.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 18, 2018, 12:56:56 PM
I tend to disagree. UK is 1-2 vs top-100 kenpom teams with the only win over #99 Greensboro. Their worst loss is to a Seton Hall team whose results haven't matched ours. Meanwhile, our two losses are better than their worst loss and we have three top-50 wins, three more than UK. Sizewise, Hagans is taller than Howard, but we're within an inch (some taller, some shorter) at every other position. I think it'd be close in a seven game series, and think our defense would give us a slight edge, but probably a coin flip.

I'm right there with you.  Kentucky hasn't shown anything yet.

I hope we draw them in the tourney.  Besides the Hagans decision to pick UK over us, there's also the simmering feud between the Hausers and Herro that would be fun to see on the court.  Plus, UNC-Nova (and UK-UL) are closing in on our "most matchups all-time in the tourney" record.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: 1SE on December 21, 2018, 11:40:40 PM
Top 10? How many other teams with 3 top-15 wins and no losses outside current AP25?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: RideMyBuycks on December 21, 2018, 11:41:40 PM
15
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 21, 2018, 11:41:52 PM
Top 10? How many other teams with 3 top-15 wins and no losses outside current AP25?

We'll be between 15 and 20.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 21, 2018, 11:44:14 PM
We'll be between 15 and 20.

Hot take.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 21, 2018, 11:46:25 PM
Hot take.

Why? We aren’t jumping 5 spots after a home win. Great win. But you have to work your way up the rankings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: 1SE on December 22, 2018, 12:02:53 AM
We've beat Scony and Buff (18), TT and AZ lost (16), and can very easily argue we have a better resume than UK, MSST, OHST, BuzzTech, FLST (11). Finally, I doubt we'd jump Sparty, but we should - both lost to KU, they lost to L and we lost to IU, their best wins are vs IA and vs UCLA.

I doubt we'll get to 10, but we should be a "high riser" this week - I'll put my money on lucky 13.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2018, 12:05:56 AM
Big opportunity week for moving up. We have a cupcake and home game against a top 15 team. A few of the teams in front us are playing some top teams and some sneaky good buy games. Everything comes up Marquette and we could be looking at a top 15 ranking.

#19 Kentucky vs #9 UNC
#18 Arizona State @Vandy & vs #1 Kansas
#17 Mississippi State vs Wofford (top 75 KenPom)
#15 Ohio State vs UCLA
#14 Buffalo @CUSE & @#20 MARQ
#12 Texas Tech vs #2 Duke
#11 Florida State vs Saint Louis (top 75 KenPom)
#8 Auburn @NCST & vs Murray State (top 75 KenPom)

We'll go past Kentucky, Arizona State and Buffalo IMHO. So that's up to 17. Maybe slip past Texas Tech. Possibly go past Auburn?

I'll be optimistic and say #15, but could see as low as #18.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: DarkWarrior on December 22, 2018, 12:11:20 AM
The rankings are about slowly establishing a position in voters minds. I say way make it to 16 or 17. I really feel it should be more like 14.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: guzica on December 22, 2018, 12:14:48 AM
15------  A big Dbl digit win vs #14....  W's vs 2-- #12 and  A big Dbl digit win vs #14. 8-)
https://www.muscoop.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: 1SE on December 22, 2018, 12:17:50 AM
The rankings are about slowly establishing a position in voters minds. I say way make it to 16 or 17. I really feel it should be more like 14.

But still pretty volatile this time of year, it's not like we beat a top-10 team on the road, but Markus' performance will get a lot of press and put us into people's minds...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 22, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Why? We aren’t jumping 5 spots after a home win. Great win. But you have to work your way up the rankings.

I’m aware. I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 22, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
I’m aware. I was being sarcastic.

I see. I was just responding to what I quoted, someone asking if we’d be ranked in the top 10.

If I have to pinpoint one number I’ll go 17 without much thought about who’s done what outside of MU and Buffalo.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/10/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 22, 2018, 01:14:51 AM
Big opportunity week for moving up. We have a cupcake and home game against a top 15 team. A few of the teams in front us are playing some top teams and some sneaky good buy games. Everything comes up Marquette and we could be looking at a top 15 ranking.

#19 Kentucky vs #9 UNC
#18 Arizona State @Vandy & vs #1 Kansas
#17 Mississippi State vs Wofford (top 75 KenPom)
#15 Ohio State vs UCLA
#14 Buffalo @CUSE & @#20 MARQ
#12 Texas Tech vs #2 Duke
#11 Florida State vs Saint Louis (top 75 KenPom)
#8 Auburn @NCST & vs Murray State (top 75 KenPom)

3.5 down...I think we may still need Murray State to beat Auburn to pass them.

Assuming chalk holds the rest of the week, I think the lowest we can be is #18. I think a dominate win over Buffalo could be impressive enough to also move us past Mississippi State (after struggling with Wofford), Wisconsin, Ohio State (though unlikely), Texas Tech, and Auburn.

So somewhere between 18 and 13 unless we get some crazy results this weekend.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: LoudMouth on December 22, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
No debate...Heldt always has the fix in....#12 bound
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: 1SE on December 22, 2018, 01:19:04 AM
This is a nice discussion to be having.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 22, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
No debate...Heldt always has the fix in....#12 bound

That number and the Fiserv Forum don’t jive well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
FWIW after the Buffalo win, we're up to 13th in the NET Rankings.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: LAZER on December 22, 2018, 10:34:20 AM
I see. I was just responding to what I quoted, someone asking if we’d be ranked in the top 10.

If I have to pinpoint one number I’ll go 17 without much thought about who’s done what outside of MU and Buffalo.
In the AP they could jump ASU, Buffalo, and possibly Kentucky.  Then they get put in a spot right next to UW, do some voters put MU in front of them? But yeah 16/17 probably.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: ChuckyChip on December 22, 2018, 10:46:32 AM
That number and the Fiserv Forum don’t jive well.

FYI - The proper word is "jibe" not "jive".
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: WarriorDad on December 22, 2018, 04:29:53 PM
FYI - The proper word is "jibe" not "jive".


(https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/55/62/1651836192-500x1000px-LL-efab61a8_Airplane-I-speak-jive-600x338.jpeg)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 22, 2018, 04:49:14 PM
This Auburn/Murray State game is a good one. Defense optional but both teams are going back and forth and hitting tough shots.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 22, 2018, 04:59:03 PM
This Auburn/Murray State game is a good one. Defense optional but both teams are going back and forth and hitting tough shots.

And now Murray State has cooled off but Auburn is just hitting everything. I hadn't watched them yet this season and wasn't impressed, but these last few minutes have been good
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
17.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 22, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
#12-
    we leap frog buffalo, wisconsin, nebraska, iowa and Az. state if they can't beat kansas on their floor tonight and maybe kentucky's. their only quality win(UNC)earlier today and they've got a war at louisville next week

 buzz moves up to #10, at least
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Daniel on December 22, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
I think we move up a few.  I think 16-17 but thinking 17. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Benny B on December 22, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
15, right ahead of UW-Madison at 16. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MuMark on December 22, 2018, 10:35:10 PM
Don't think we are going to move up much......pass Buff probably miss state...UW was way ahead of us in votes......we aren't going to pass them I don't think.

Would have passed ASU but not now.....not passing Kentucky. Or Texas Tech with only loss being a competitive game vs Duke.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 22, 2018, 10:56:34 PM
18. Disappointing since we looked a hell of a lot better this week than the teams in front of us. ASU gonna get a huge boost despite getting absolutely CRUSHED by a mediocre Vandy team.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: DrDestiny911 on December 23, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
18 at best is what I think as well. Idk if we are getting much respect on the national stage yet which is mind-boggling. Currently Lunardi has us a 6-seed on the 21 Dec Bracketology. But still has buffalo as a 3-seed. That guy is kinda always out to lunch but even Kenpom still has us as #30 and Butler as #29!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: burger on December 23, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
18 at best is what I think as well. Idk if we are getting much respect on the national stage yet which is mind-boggling. Currently Lunardi has us a 6-seed on the 21 Dec Bracketology. But still has buffalo as a 3-seed. That guy is kinda always out to lunch but even Kenpom still has us as #30 and Butler as #29!

Lunardi does Bracketology only once a week this early in the season....Typically Tuesdays.....No one except Buffalo lost....I think we move up to 18.....That's OK.....I would rather be under the radar.....For now.....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 23, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
18 at best is what I think as well. Idk if we are getting much respect on the national stage yet which is mind-boggling. Currently Lunardi has us a 6-seed on the 21 Dec Bracketology. But still has buffalo as a 3-seed. That guy is kinda always out to lunch but even Kenpom still has us as #30 and Butler as #29!

have they had a chance to make adjustments yet based on weekend play?  Az. state had to have jumped following their upset of #1 kansas, and quite possibly made our ascension a little more difficult

  after MU, i've adopted bobby hurley's team as my sloppy 2nd fav, but seemed like kansas got a little jobbed down there in tempe...and that's...ok
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 23, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
This is the kind of week where the polls could be completely reordered. Usually you can guess based on who lost and who won big games but too much happened right around us in the polls. I'm guessing we end up 17.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: fjm on December 23, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
Yep. HUGE win we will be 16th I’d think.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 23, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
18 at best is what I think as well. Idk if we are getting much respect on the national stage yet which is mind-boggling. Currently Lunardi has us a 6-seed on the 21 Dec Bracketology. But still has buffalo as a 3-seed. That guy is kinda always out to lunch but even Kenpom still has us as #30 and Butler as #29!

KenPom's site just runs the numbers and they are what they are. No judgement call involved
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: jesmu84 on December 23, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/the-most-important-fake-top-25-college-basketball-rankings-on-the-internet-7

18
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Pakuni on December 23, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
After iMU beats #14 Buffalo by double digits, Gary Parrish  ... drops us out of the top 25.
On the other hand, after its big win over Grambling (KenPom #281) Wisconsin moves up a spot.
Wut?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-kansas-loss-opens-door-for-tennessee-to-move-to-no-1-in-the-top-25-and-1/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: AirPunch on December 23, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
After iMU beats #14 Buffalo by double digits, Gary Parrish  ... drops us out of the top 25.
On the other hand, after its big win over Grambling (KenPom #281) Wisconsin moves up a spot.
Wut?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-kansas-loss-opens-door-for-tennessee-to-move-to-no-1-in-the-top-25-and-1/

Parrish is a buzz cronie. Not surprised by that. Isn’t he the one that does “poll attacks” where he criticizes others polls?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: The Thing on December 23, 2018, 11:53:31 AM
I know I have Blue and Gold colored glasses on but I just don’t see how this is not a top 15 team.

It doesn’t really matter in the long run but three top 15 wins over the last 10 days should equal a top 15 ranking in my book.

What has Wisconsin done to earn their spot in the rankings? Comparing resumes I just don’t see it.

I guess they need to keep winning and eventually somebody will notice.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 23, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
Parrish is effing worthless.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: GrimmReaper33 on December 23, 2018, 12:12:37 PM
I know I have Blue and Gold colored glasses on but I just don’t see how this is not a top 15 team.

It doesn’t really matter in the long run but three top 15 wins over the last 10 days should equal a top 15 ranking in my book.

What has Wisconsin done to earn their spot in the rankings? Comparing resumes I just don’t see it.

I guess they need to keep winning and eventually somebody will notice.

I think we'll be right on the verge of the top 15, I'm guessing 16 or 17.  Obviously, none of this matters though.  I think around this time last year wasn't ASU ranked #1?  They went on to be a bubble team.

If I had to guess why some voters are not giving us the respect we feel we deserve is probably because our big W's are at home and we are outside the top 25 on KenPom.  Many writers these days are big KenPom followers and we rank 30 there, despite the big W's.

Also, I understand the UW hate but they probably deserve a ranking right in the same area as us.  They have some solid wins- NC State, Oklahoma, Iowa- and their only losses are against Virginia and road game to us- in OT.  Very similar resumes if we're being honest.  Other rankings like KenPom, NET, Sagarin like UW a bit more than us, which is probably why voters are ranking them higher.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 23, 2018, 01:40:31 PM
Jumping or leapfrogging teams in the polls is faily uncommon.  Seems you have to beat a top 5 team is the only way you leapfrog teams to any significant degree.  Ascension innthe polls is a factor of continuing to win as those teams directly ahead of you lose.  Right or wrong its how it has historically worked.  I have no issue with being “underranked” (not sure that we are) as id prefer not to have that much of a bigger target on our back as we go out on the road in the BE
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MUEng92 on December 23, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
I'd love to see one of those blind side by side resume comparisons between MU and Wisconsin
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 23, 2018, 02:53:42 PM
I'd love to see one of those blind side by side resume comparisons between MU and Wisconsin

Marquette:
NET: 13
KP: 30
RPI: 16
SOS: 22
Scoring Margin: +11.4
Home: 9-0
Away: 0-1
Neutral: 1-1
Group 1: 3-2
Group 2: 1-0
Group 3: 0-0
Group 4: 6-0
Top 5 wins: WIS (#5) vs UL (#17) BUFF (#20) KSU (32), PRES (#195)
Worst losses: vs KU (#4) @IND (#18)

Wisconsin:
NET: 5
KP: 12
RPI: 9
SOS: 20
Scoring Margin: +14.9
Home: 6-0
Away: 2-1
Neutral: 2-1
Group 1: 3-2
Group 2: 1-0
Group 3: 2-0
Group 4: 4-0
Top 5 wins: vs OU (#16) NCST (#8) @IOWA (#37) @XAV (#87) vs STAN (#103)
Worst losses: @UVA (#2) @MARQ (#13)

Yeah....their resume kicks our resume's arse and its not close. Not the team ahead of us that people should be complaining about.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 23, 2018, 04:30:44 PM
Marquette:
NET: 13
KP: 30
RPI: 16
SOS: 22
Scoring Margin: +11.4
Home: 9-0
Away: 0-1
Neutral: 1-1
Group 1: 3-2
Group 2: 1-0
Group 3: 0-0
Group 4: 6-0
Top 5 wins: WIS (#5) vs UL (#17) BUFF (#20) KSU (32), PRES (#195)
Worst losses: vs KU (#4) @IND (#18)

Wisconsin:
NET: 5
KP: 12
RPI: 9
SOS: 20
Scoring Margin: +14.9
Home: 6-0
Away: 2-1
Neutral: 2-1
Group 1: 3-2
Group 2: 1-0
Group 3: 2-0
Group 4: 4-0
Top 5 wins: vs OU (#16) NCST (#8) @IOWA (#37) @XAV (#87) vs STAN (#103)
Worst losses: @UVA (#2) @MARQ (#13)

Yeah....their resume kicks our resume's arse and its not close. Not the team ahead of us that people should be complaining about.

I wouldn't say that their resume beats ours by that much.  What helps the computer numbers like NET and KP is the two road wins.  We have none.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM
I agree with your thinking, Thing - we beat 3 top 15 teams, we should be in the top fifteen.
But I'm thinking 16.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
I agree with your thinking, Thing - we beat 3 top 15 teams, we should be in the top fifteen.
But I'm thinking 16.

I don't think any of those three teams will be top 15 at the end of the season. I don't blame voters for taking that into account.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 23, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
I wouldn't say that their resume beats ours by that much.  What helps the computer numbers like NET and KP is the two road wins.  We have none.

Yep,  and those road wins are why their resume is better then ours. By end of season I think we will have the better resume
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 23, 2018, 07:02:00 PM
First two ballots I’ve seen:

Rothstein: 13
Borges: 12

Seth Davis will release his shortly
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 23, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
Seth Davis has us at 19. All 3 have us above Madison.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Jay Bee on December 23, 2018, 07:59:42 PM
What percent of voters had us completely out last week?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MuMark on December 23, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
Another 19

https://twitter.com/zachosterman/status/1077020560612311040?s=21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 23, 2018, 08:20:50 PM
Just did a little research. Marquette has as many top-50 kenpom wins (4) as five teams ahead of them have COMBINED: Nevada, Auburn, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, and Kentucky.

Marquette is also one of three teams in the nation that has four top-50 wins and zero sub-25 losses. The other two are Duke and Michigan.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MuMark on December 23, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
Yeah our resume is defintely better then our efficiency numbers.

So depending g on what you value you can make a case for a high or a lower ranking.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 23, 2018, 08:56:44 PM
Seth Davis has us at 19. All 3 have us above Madison.

Davis moved us down 2? Weird.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 23, 2018, 10:52:47 PM
Yeah our resume is defintely better then our efficiency numbers.

So depending g on what you value you can make a case for a high or a lower ranking.

All this, and the reality that many (possibly even most voters) put together a preseason top 25 and then move teams up and down from there. Most didn't have us on their top 25 so its going to take teams above us losing.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 24, 2018, 06:51:48 AM
What percent of voters had us completely out last week?

I don’t know the percent, but 8 left us out. Steele just said that he has us at 14 right now vs. 20 from last week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 24, 2018, 07:57:54 AM
Carino moved us up to 15 from 21.

DeCock moved us to 17 from 23.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 24, 2018, 08:04:47 AM
Regardless of our ratings, tv loves us.  We have a good looking, exciting team.  Lots of good stories linking the present with the past. Announcers love doing our games.  Especially at fiserv forum. A great place/atmosphere to do commentary...and get paid for it🤑
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: DoctorV on December 24, 2018, 08:57:53 AM
Regardless of our ratings, tv loves us.  We have a good looking, exciting team.  Lots of good stories linking the present with the past. Announcers love doing our games.  Especially at fiserv forum. A great place/atmosphere to do commentary...and get paid for it🤑

You might be right, and it doesn’t even take a rocket surgeon to figure that out
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 24, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
Parish has us at 26.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-kansas-loss-opens-door-for-tennessee-to-move-to-no-1-in-the-top-25-and-1/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 24, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
Josh Vitale at 15.

Nyatawa at 12.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 24, 2018, 09:13:37 AM
NET has us at 13.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-12-22/college-basketball-scores-schedule-top-25-net-rankings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 24, 2018, 09:33:05 AM
Parish has us at 26.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-kansas-loss-opens-door-for-tennessee-to-move-to-no-1-in-the-top-25-and-1/

Parish has the worst  rankings out there. Good thing he’s not an AP voter.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 24, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
Parish has the worst  rankings out there. Good thing he’s not an AP voter.

Has he responded any any of the MU fans giving him crap on Twitter?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 24, 2018, 10:02:50 AM
Has he responded any any of the MU fans giving him crap on Twitter?

Nope...At least Seth Davis responds to multiple. One of the more entertaining ballot releases

Side note: Chris Murray has us at 14. I think there’s a real chance we sniff the top 15. It will be curious to see where the voters that left us off last week place us.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: DoggyDaddy on December 24, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
16 would be sweet both as ranking this week and as destiny for the season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Pakuni on December 24, 2018, 10:39:08 AM
Andy Katz puts MU at #15

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-12-23/michigan-holds-steady-kentucky-and-arizona-state-leap-andy
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 24, 2018, 11:05:08 AM
18

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2018, 11:05:41 AM
Jumped Buffalo and Mississippi State but that's all.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Tha Hound on December 24, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
I wasn't expecting a massive jump, but 18 to me is still disrespectful. We haven't gotten the national love this team deserves..yet. Make them notice.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 24, 2018, 11:10:44 AM
Rothstein had us at 13 in his tweet and 24 on his ballot. 2 voters that had MU unranked has Kansas State, Buffalo and Wisconsin ranked...

How do these people have jobs?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: tower912 on December 24, 2018, 11:13:49 AM
It is fun to have a team successful enough to feel disrespected.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MU_Beav on December 24, 2018, 11:16:05 AM
It is fun to have a team successful enough to feel disrespected.

On the mark. Think of the last few years for perspective.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: The Thing on December 24, 2018, 11:26:00 AM
I’m really trying to think objectively and I can’t see how the resumes of the 17 teams are better than ours. I do think that playing only one true road game (and getting crushed) is holding us back. Let’s go to work and win some conference road games!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: SoCalEagle on December 24, 2018, 11:42:31 AM
Cool ... fly low and avoid the radar.

Go Warriors!!!

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: HowardsWorld on December 24, 2018, 11:44:52 AM
All comes down to road wins. If we beat St. Johns and Nova on the road we will get a big jump. We have 3 top 15 wins but all were at home.

Also keep in mind that we were jumped by Kentucky and Arizona state for big wins against North Carolina and Kansas. Without those wins Marquette is sitting at 16.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Jockey on December 24, 2018, 11:46:51 AM
Rothstein had us at 13 in his tweet and 24 on his ballot. 2 voters that had MU unranked has Kansas State, Buffalo and Wisconsin ranked...

How do these people have jobs?

Because credibility is not required.

The year that Ted Williams hit .406? He lost MVP because one writer did not have even him on his ballot because he thought Ted wasn't respectful enough to writers.

Credibility is not required.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: T.V. Diener 34 on December 24, 2018, 11:48:05 AM
I feel like this is gonna be one of those years where people are surprised at our seeding for the better come tourney time.... if we hold serve during conference play that is
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
Texas tech still way up there???

Shouldn’t the johnnies be ranked then???


Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2018, 11:49:25 AM
All comes down to road wins. If we beat St. Johns and Nova on the road we will get a big jump. We have 3 top 15 wins but all were at home.

Also keep in mind that we were jumped by Kentucky and Arizona state for big wins against North Carolina and Kansas. Without those wins Marquette is sitting at 16.

Kentucky and ASU were ahead of us last poll by the same margin so they didn’t jump us

ASU also picked up a loss this week.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 24, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
Texas tech still way up there???

Shouldn’t the johnnies be ranked then???

I expect they'll be ranked just as soon as they beat someone. Seton Hall on the road may be enough. Seton Hall and Marquette definitely would be. That #344 SOS and zero top-50 wins is pretty unconvincing.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MuMark on December 24, 2018, 12:02:55 PM
Rothstein had us at 13 in his tweet and 24 on his ballot. 2 voters that had MU unranked has Kansas State, Buffalo and Wisconsin ranked...

How do these people have jobs?

Not what I'm seeing on Rothstein

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jon-rothstein
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: tower912 on December 24, 2018, 12:13:49 PM
Because credibility is not required.

The year that Ted Williams hit .406? He lost MVP because one writer did not have even him on his ballot because he thought Ted wasn't respectful enough to writers.

Credibility is not required.
That and a 56 game hitting streak
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: mubb3434 on December 24, 2018, 12:23:42 PM
Not what I'm seeing on Rothstein

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jon-rothstein

The tracker that I follow must have had it wrong...Glad to see that wasn’t the case.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MuMark on December 24, 2018, 12:43:01 PM
20 in the coaches poll

https://247sports.com/Article/college-basketball-USA-TODAY-Coaches-Poll-Week-8-126835496/Amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2018, 01:26:16 PM
I expect they'll be ranked just as soon as they beat someone. Seton Hall on the road may be enough. Seton Hall and Marquette definitely would be. That #344 SOS and zero top-50 wins is pretty unconvincing.

Yeah I get ya. My point was more in regards to TT. Whose ranked 11th with 1 loss and has a similarly awful SOS with really minimal in the way of wins...yet SJU is the one punished.

I just don’t get the TT love affair.

It’s similar to the Purdue love affair a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MomofMUltiples on December 24, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
Nice to see us show up in rankings, but all that really matters is what the guys do on the court.  Keep winning, get more respect..
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2018, 02:02:30 PM
Rothstein had us at 13 in his tweet and 24 on his ballot. 2 voters that had MU unranked has Kansas State, Buffalo and Wisconsin ranked...

How do these people have jobs?

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jon-rothstein

He has us at 13 on his ballot.

It takes longer to update the "by voter" pages on the AP Poll. You were probably looking at last week's Rothstein ballot.

EDIT: I see MuMark beat me to it
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 24, 2018, 02:04:43 PM
18

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Good news is Buffalo is 21 and 22 in the polls respectively . They will likely stay around that level now that their conference starts.

MU is 20 in the coaches poll.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 24, 2018, 02:13:27 PM
My point was more in regards to TT. Whose ranked 11th with 1 loss and has a similarly awful SOS with really minimal in the way of wins...yet SJU is the one punished.

I just don’t get the TT love affair.

That's a fair comment, and I was actually thinking the same while looking at Tx Tech's resume yesterday. I think it's twofold.

First, the computers love them. They are #1 in eFG% defense, #1 in 3PFG% defense, #2 in 2PFG% defense, & #1 in adjusted defensive efficiency at kenpom.

Second, it's the manner of victory they have. Their home wins have been against weak opposition, but by a minimum of 18 points and an average of 26.3 ppg. Their non-buy games have all been double digit wins. St John's only has one buy win that matches the average of TTU and has struggled with some weak opposition like Bowling Green, Cal, & VCU.

Also probably doesn't hurt that Beard's teams have a tendency to exceed expectations, while Mullin's teams have tended to fall flat as the season progressed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
Went through and checked, we are still unranked by three ballots: Damien Sordelett (Liberty beat writer for The News & Advance), Jesse Newell (Kansas beat writer for Kansas City Star), and Scott Wolf (USC beat writer for LA Daily News)

Our highest rank was #10 and given to us by Shannon Ryan of the Chicago Tribune.

Alright people you know what to do. Time to make the invisible hand of scoop known. Everyone go subscribe to the Chicago Tribune. If you have subscriptions to the News & Advance, KC Star, or LA Daily News cancel them. Follow up with a letter writing campaign to make sure they know why.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 24, 2018, 02:40:04 PM
You might be right, and it doesn’t even take a rocket surgeon to figure that out


Jaime, is dat ewe, hey?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 24, 2018, 03:44:08 PM

Jaime, is dat ewe, hey?

Coming from a doctor v, I’ll take it as a compliment either way. 

  Hey, is that the kind of doctor I’m thinking of?  😮😬.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: lawdog77 on December 24, 2018, 05:06:00 PM
Not what I'm seeing on Rothstein

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jon-rothstein
Rick Bozich moved us down 3 spots? >:(
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 24, 2018, 06:54:46 PM
Rick Bozich moved us down 3 spots? >:(

I thought Bozich had us unranked last week.

Davis moved us down 2.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 24, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
I thought Bozich had us unranked last week.

Davis moved us down 2.

Lemmings
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 24, 2018, 07:05:46 PM
I’m really trying to think objectively and I can’t see how the resumes of the 17 teams are better than ours. I do think that playing only one true road game (and getting crushed) is holding us back. Let’s go to work and win some conference road games!

Right or wrong that is not how polls werk.  Most times someone ahead of you has to lose.  It was a week of ranked teams not playing or winning.  Thats how it goes. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 24, 2018, 07:08:59 PM
Jumping or leapfrogging teams in the polls is faily uncommon.  Seems you have to beat a top 5 team is the only way you leapfrog teams to any significant degree.  Ascension innthe polls is a factor of continuing to win as those teams directly ahead of you lose.  Right or wrong its how it has historically worked.  I have no issue with being “underranked” (not sure that we are) as id prefer not to have that much of a bigger target on our back as we go out on the road in the BE

To repeat my post from 5 pages ago, just sayin

Right or wrong that is how polls werk.  Most times someone ahead of you has to lose.  It was a week of ranked teams not playing or winning.  Thats how it goes. No conspiracy theory no espn bias, no anything just same as it ever was.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
We did leapfrog Mississippi State
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 24, 2018, 07:50:54 PM
Went through and checked, we are still unranked by three ballots: Damien Sordelett (Liberty beat writer for The News & Advance), Jesse Newell (Kansas beat writer for Kansas City Star), and Scott Wolf (USC beat writer for LA Daily News)

Our highest rank was #10 and given to us by Shannon Ryan of the Chicago Tribune.

Alright people you know what to do. Time to make the invisible hand of scoop known. Everyone go subscribe to the Chicago Tribune. If you have subscriptions to the News & Advance, KC Star, or LA Daily News cancel them. Follow up with a letter writing campaign to make sure they know why.

   I just read Shannon Ryan’s coverage of the Busch Bragging Rights game between the Illini and Missouri.  I remembered your post here, and....

   In keeping with the spirit of the season, I just emailed her a note of “Thanks” for acknowledging the recent exploits of our beloved WarriorEagles by rewarding us with a #10 ranking.

 In my email, I touched on how hard it is for private schools not named Duke to get our just recognition. I also suggested some Tribune coverage of both the huge recent successes of Val Ackerman and of the reincarnated league as a whole.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Marquetteauburn on December 25, 2018, 02:15:35 AM
To repeat my post from 5 pages ago, just sayin

Right or wrong that is how polls werk.  Most times someone ahead of you has to lose.  It was a week of ranked teams not playing or winning.  Thats how it goes. No conspiracy theory no espn bias, no anything just same as it ever was.

Agreed, and frankly I was stunned how far we moved up last week, but the Buffalo win validated it so believe we are just settling in. Arizona state beating Kansas didn't help. Indiana still too close behind as well - I don't like having a team that crushed you that close - not that it really matters.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 25, 2018, 07:39:02 AM
That Damien sordelett is an idiot. We have three top 25 wins from his ballot.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: warriorchick on December 25, 2018, 07:44:52 AM
   I just read Shannon Ryan’s coverage of the Busch Bragging Rights game between the Illini and Missouri.  I remembered your post here, and....

   In keeping with the spirit of the season, I just emailed her a note of “Thanks” for acknowledging the recent exploits of our beloved WarriorEagles by rewarding us with a #10 ranking.

 In my email, I touched on how hard it is for private schools not named Duke to get our just recognition. I also suggested some Tribune coverage of both the huge recent successes of Val Ackerman and of the reincarnated league as a whole.

As a general rule, Marquette gets no love from Chicago media, even though it is the out-of-state private university with the most Illinois alumni except for Notre Dame.  It annoys me that the morning news show will have the score from the ND game or even the Valparaiso game on the scroll, but not MU.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Benny B on December 25, 2018, 09:09:23 PM
Listen, MU is in the top 25... that’s all that really matters until the s-curve is drawn. 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on December 26, 2018, 01:31:52 AM
True, but they're not playing, so its fun to talk about something, even it it is just quibbles.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 26, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
As a general rule, Marquette gets no love from Chicago media, even though it is the out-of-state private university with the most Illinois alumni except for Notre Dame.  It annoys me that the morning news show will have the score from the ND game or even the Valparaiso game on the scroll, but not MU.

The big story from this post is … someone actually watches local news!
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 26, 2018, 12:36:53 PM
Went through and checked, we are still unranked by three ballots: Damien Sordelett (Liberty beat writer for The News & Advance), Jesse Newell (Kansas beat writer for Kansas City Star), and Scott Wolf (USC beat writer for LA Daily News)

Our highest rank was #10 and given to us by Shannon Ryan of the Chicago Tribune.

Alright people you know what to do. Time to make the invisible hand of scoop known. Everyone go subscribe to the Chicago Tribune. If you have subscriptions to the News & Advance, KC Star, or LA Daily News cancel them. Follow up with a letter writing campaign to make sure they know why.

Damien has John Dawson bias?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 26, 2018, 12:41:17 PM
It doesn't make sense that the varmints are ranked better than Marquette.  We have played a tougher schedule and beat them.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 26, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
It doesn't make sense that the varmints are ranked better than Marquette.  We have played a tougher schedule and beat them.

We've played similar schedules and and the win was at home. UW has a great resume. MU is under ranked right now. UW deserves to be ranked very well.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 26, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
It doesn't make sense that the varmints are ranked better than Marquette.  We have played a tougher schedule and beat them.

We needed OT to beat them at home. I would understand someone who thinks that because of that they would beat us on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 26, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
We are ranked just fine.  We are 1-2 outside of the FF.  We have 2 losses and 4 solid wins.  We should be ranked somewhere between 15 and 20, and we're ranked 18.  We're right where we deserve to be.

The number in the win column is what is really important.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 27, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
We are ranked just fine.  We are 1-2 outside of the FF.  We have 2 losses and 4 solid wins.  We should be ranked somewhere between 15 and 20, and we're ranked 18.  We're right where we deserve to be.

The number in the win column is what is really important.

I thought the next game was all that is important? 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 27, 2018, 11:43:42 AM
I thought the next game was all that is important?

Nope.  That's the most important game of the season, though.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: Coleman on December 27, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
As a general rule, Marquette gets no love from Chicago media, even though it is the out-of-state private university with the most Illinois alumni except for Notre Dame.  It annoys me that the morning news show will have the score from the ND game or even the Valparaiso game on the scroll, but not MU.

MU is definitely ND's second fiddle, but they do get occasional coverage in the Tribune.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/24/18
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2018, 06:41:42 PM
MU is definitely ND's second fiddle, but they do get occasional coverage in the Tribune.

When we were kickin' arse and takin' prisoners and MU alum Dan McGrath was Tribune sports editor, we got some very nice coverage. They treated us as the home team for awhile there.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 29, 2018, 05:19:18 PM
ASU goes down to known powerhouse Princeton. I imagine they drop out of the polls this coming week.

Marquette at minimum 17 on Monday. Should be higher.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
ASU goes down to known powerhouse Princeton. I imagine they drop out of the polls this coming week.

Marquette at minimum 17 on Monday. Should be higher.

Everyone ignored the loss to Vandy because ASU beat Kansas. That's just karma.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 29, 2018, 05:51:06 PM
Everyone ignored the loss to Vandy because ASU beat Kansas. That's just karma.

Someone remind Parrish.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 29, 2018, 05:56:57 PM
UW on upset alert. Bassey shutting down Happ. Go Hilltoppers. Paying their players may pay off today.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 05:57:21 PM
Under 10 to play, Wisconsin has been back and forth at Western Kentucky. The Hilltoppers just opened up their largest lead of the game at 63-55. Charles Bassey is a man, but they're getting contributions all over the court.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: AlienWarrior on December 29, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
looks like top 15 w/a Badger loss
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
I think Gard May be gone after this season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 06:26:08 PM
I think Gard May be gone after this season.

I doubt it. Top half Big 10 finish and they'll be dancing. But glad to see Bucky go down. We're up to 16 at worst.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 29, 2018, 06:27:25 PM
I think Gard May be gone after this season.

Huh?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Johnny B on December 29, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
We will be ranked numero 16.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
I doubt it. Top half Big 10 finish and they'll be dancing. But glad to see Bucky go down. We're up to 16 at worst.
Alvarez is a competitive guy and he can see they are not recruiting the talent necessary to compete. So I think it is possible they make go in a different direction.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 29, 2018, 06:51:04 PM
Always good to see Bucky go down, especially when it clears out space for us to move up in the rankings. They deserved this loss after how they beat Western Kentucky last season.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: TSmith34 on December 29, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
22 year-old sophomore Trice 1-6 from distance.  Regression to the mean.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: wadesworld on December 29, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
Alvarez is a competitive guy and he can see they are not recruiting the talent necessary to compete. So I think it is possible they make go in a different direction.

If Barry cared about basketball he wouldn’t have caved into WKU’s demand that in order to play at Camp Randall they needed a home and home in basketball in return.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2018, 07:35:50 PM
If Barry cared about basketball he wouldn’t have caved into WKU’s demand that in order to play at Camp Randall they needed a home and home in basketball in return.
Gard has a save his job  potential recruit...
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Wisconsin-Basketball-Recruiting-Nicolet-2020-GF-Jalen-Johnson-Says-Badgers-Wil-126173814/
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
Gard has a save his job  potential recruit...
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Wisconsin-Basketball-Recruiting-Nicolet-2020-GF-Jalen-Johnson-Says-Badgers-Wil-126173814/

They might be on his list until the end, but I'll be shocked if he picks UW-M.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 29, 2018, 07:39:45 PM
They will be there until the end until he goes elsewhere...
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: AirPunch on December 29, 2018, 07:42:45 PM
We will be ranked numero 16.

Assuming the AP voters are competent.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2018, 07:49:39 PM
I think Gard May be gone after this season.
I don't bet, but if I did that would want some of that action.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: We R Final Four on December 29, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
They might be on his list until the end, but I'll be shocked if he picks UW-M.
+100. Especially since Gard is apparently on the way out after this year. 😉
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on December 29, 2018, 09:23:16 PM
He’s a 1 and done no matter where he goes, but if he wants a shot at a National title in his 1 year of college play he’s going to Duke. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t pick Duke. Same with Pat Baldwin Jr. in 2021. Wisconsin has been underrated in terms of the amount of top 10 prospects they’ve developed in the last few years and next few years. Right now 2 of the top 3 in 2021 in the whole country (Baldwin, Foster) are from WI which I find crazy. Very early and silly to think about it but Tayshawn Bridges is in contention to be #1 player in the class of 2024 according to every website, but like I said it’s silly to rank middle schoolers when so much could change.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2018, 09:43:49 PM
I was supposed to root for F%cky because it would be better for our NET rating, right?

Well sorry, but I can't. And I didn't. And I won't.

It will nice to see them plummet below us in the rankings. We're 16 minimum.

I'd like to see Seton Hall get a little love from the voters.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 30, 2018, 12:08:09 AM
Gard has a save his job  potential recruit...
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Wisconsin-Basketball-Recruiting-Nicolet-2020-GF-Jalen-Johnson-Says-Badgers-Wil-126173814/

What would Bucky be today without the Bo recruit Ethan Happ?  What does a pure "Gard team" look like next year?

Johnson goes to a blue blood, or the top 10 team in WI next year, MU. 

Remember Diamond Stone was with the Badgers until the end, how did that work out?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2018, 12:30:54 AM
What would Bucky be today without the Bo recruit Ian Happ?

I think they’d be about the same with or without Ian Happ.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/890232328777342976/3CDOPdbu.jpg)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MUBigDance on December 30, 2018, 05:26:11 AM
...
Remember Diamond Stone was with the Badgers until the end, how did that work out?
(Off thread)
I remember when Stone and Ellenson came out of High School. They were “all that” and with family’s that managed their ascent. Where are they now (see wiki)? Perhaps it’s a function of their large power forward frames...out of vogue in the Giannis/Curry NBA (Lebron notwithstanding). But a bit of humble pie for both. At least they each got a decent paycheck to begin.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: fjm on December 30, 2018, 07:53:30 AM
Sadly we will be 20 tomorrow.

Look at it this way: we beat the badgers, they lost to an u ranked team yesterday so CLEARLY they are not top 15 type team so that’s against us.
We beat Kstate who lost some games. So they are like 150th or something.
And Louisville lost last night to Kentucky. So they also stink because apparently any loss to anyone means you suck. So we will move back spots cause our wins are not that good!

#garyparish
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: burger on December 30, 2018, 12:02:33 PM
Right last week at 18......Will be right this week at 16......

We could squeak into 15.....But I will give us the biased East Coast /ACC non votes to make us a little short.....
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Marquette4life on December 30, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
Right last week at 18......Will be right this week at 16......

We could squeak into 15.....But I will give us the biased East Coast /ACC non votes to make us a little short.....
who could we jump to get to 15?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 30, 2018, 03:15:45 PM
Rothstein dropped us one from 13 to 14. Texas Tech and Kentucky moved ahead of us, Arizona State fell behind.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: warriorchick on December 30, 2018, 04:20:06 PM
Rothstein has us 14th.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: fjm on December 30, 2018, 04:43:23 PM
Rothstein has us 14th.

Exactly my fn point I said earlier. People will
Move us down based on UW-flop lodging to WKU.

Based on other people. We will be 18-20 tops. Lame.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
Will we get dropped by the Michigan State writer once everyone plays abroad game( the guy has some bizarre personal rule about not ranking until a team plays on the road)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: fjm on December 30, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
Sorry. Should have clarified to chick:

Rothstein ladt week has us at 13.

People are
Moving MU DOWN for winning and because the “elite” teams we beat earlier have had recent losses.

Thems the breaks.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 30, 2018, 07:33:36 PM
Beat unbeaten St. Johns on Tuesday in Queens and none of this matters.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Warrior1969 on December 30, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
St. John s is not unbeaten
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 30, 2018, 08:30:02 PM
Did not realize they played yesterday … too busy watching the College Football playoffs.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 30, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
We will move ahead of asu n wisky to 16th
Very simple
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Johnny B on December 31, 2018, 01:47:36 AM
We will move ahead of asu n wisky to 16th
Very simple
Yes ty
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 31, 2018, 06:13:29 AM
Seth Davis has us at 18.
David Borges has us at 12.
Mark Berman also 12.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Archies Bat on December 31, 2018, 06:41:04 AM
NBC Sports has us up one to 17.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/31/nbc-sports-top-25-no-pac-12-teams-anywhere-to-be-found/ (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/31/nbc-sports-top-25-no-pac-12-teams-anywhere-to-be-found/)
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 31, 2018, 08:51:06 AM
J Vitale at 15
DeCock at 16
Carino at 15
bozich at 21
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 31, 2018, 09:22:03 AM
Chris Murray at 14.

Nyatawa bumped us up 1 to 11.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2018, 11:05:02 AM
Ben Steele
Marquette is up to No 16 in AP poll. Every time #mubb moves up it becomes the highest spot in the Steve Wojciechowski era.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 31, 2018, 11:31:35 AM
Ben Steele
Marquette is up to No 16 in AP poll. Every time #mubb moves up it becomes the highest spot in the Steve Wojciechowski era.

Seems about right. NC is about 150 pts higher at 15. A little surprised that Seton Hall isn't getting more love.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
Sometimes these are a little tough to predict, but this one was easy.

16 seems fair and logical.

Nice to see Seton Hall getting some love in the others receiving votes.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 31, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
Ben Steele
Marquette is up to No 16 in AP poll. Every time #mubb moves up it becomes the highest spot in the Steve Wojciechowski era.

Easiest call ever,  all u twitter watchers n prognosticators firget how tgese polls werk.  Pay attention
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 31, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Who's that Jesse Newell that hates us?
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: brewcity77 on December 31, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
Easiest call ever,  all u twitter watchers n prognosticators firget how tgese polls werk.  Pay attention

Everyone knows how the polls work. However the methodology of how they work is inherently flawed.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
18 in Coaches Poll. Buffalo 20 and Badgers 23
http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/

Villanova , The Hall and The Johnnies getting some votes in both polls.

Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 31, 2018, 01:32:16 PM
Everyone knows how the polls work. However the methodology of how they work is inherently flawed.

It is what it is
To expect it to werk like the rpi or sagarin or whatever is lije banging ones head against the wall
In fact its very predictable
Asu n wisky lost
Mu did not
Move up two
I think ive called our last 3 rankings after giving it 15 seconds of preview
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2018, 02:59:38 PM
Everyone knows how the polls work. However the methodology of how they work is inherently flawed.

The polls are fun to talk about, and always nice to see one's team in them. But it's not as if they determine anything real, so the "methodology" isn't very important IMHO.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 31, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
Which poll does everyone think is MOST credible or do you think is the best gauge?

   I think the coaches poll would be the most accurate as these are guys who have a “front row seat” if you will.  Just my opinion however

  Except for...guys I don’t like😬

The thing about beating someone when they were ranked higher, then drops because of our win and then say a few others blows because we beat them when they were ranked as they were.  What if there 2as an injurynfor example or ?? 
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2018, 03:43:22 PM
Which poll does everyone think is MOST credible or do you think is the best gauge?

   I think the coaches poll would be the most accurate as these are guys who have a “front row seat” if you will.  Just my opinion however

Most coaches don't bother with the poll. They delegate their "operations manager" or their sports info director to do it for them. A few will do the first and last one of the season but delegate for the rest. For many years, it was derisively called the SID Poll (and maybe it still is).

Polls are fun conversation pieces, but they are so 1985. Computers determine who goes to the NCAA basketball tourney and who plays in the football playoffs.

It's almost quaint to think that until not all that long ago, sportswriters and coaches/SIDs determined the national football champion.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2018, 04:17:22 PM
The poll that ranks MU the highest is the most credible.
Title: Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 31, 2018, 04:23:02 PM
The polls are fun to talk about, and always nice to see one's team in them. But it's not as if they determine anything real, so the "methodology" isn't very important IMHO.

Some science/computer deniers put their faith in the polls. Las Vegas knows better and laughs.
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