So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

1. UConn
2. Purdue
3. Houston
4. Arizona
5. Marquette
6. Kansas
7. North Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Duke
10. Iowa State
11. South Carolina
12. Auburn
13. Baylor
14. Illinois
15. Virginia
16. Alabama
17. Kentucky
18. Saint Mary's
19. Creighton
20. Indiana State
21. BYU
22. Dayton
23. Colorado State
24. Clemson
25. Wisconsin

[HowardsWorld]

I would really like to know the love affair with Arizona. They beat literally no one and play in the worst conference in basketball

[El Guerrero 2]

I would really like to know the love affair with Arizona. They beat literally no one and play in the worst conference in basketball

I don't think they're top 5 either but to be fair they beat Duke at Cameron and beat the piss out of Wisky and MSU. Thats more than no one.

[wisblue]

I don't care much about the voted polls that get all of the publicity, but pay much more attention to the NCAA seed lists issued by respected bracketologists.

I'm looking forward to Saturday's release by the NCAA to see if the bracketologists have been accurately anticipating the NCAA's evaluation of the top teams.

But, to say that Arizona hasn't beaten anyone is refuted by the fact that they are 7-3 in quad one games.

Only UConn and Purdue with 8 have more Quad 1 wins, and Houston is the only other team with 7. That is a big reason why those teams are considered the current front runners for the 1 seeds.

The only teams with 6 are Kansas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, which explains why the Badgers are still very comfortably in the NCAA field despite their recent losing streak (probably around a 5 seed).

Unlike the voted polls, NCAA selections do not have a significant recency bias.

All that being said, I expect MU to be either 6 or 7 in the AP and Coaches polls behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, Arizona, Notth Carolina, and maybe Kansas (whose loss to KSU is muted by their recent wins over Houston and Baylor).

I don't think NC deserves to be rated that high, but I don't see them falling all the way from 3 to out of the top 5. IMHO they were overrated in those polls at 3, and that isn't likely to be corrected because of one Monday loss.

[willie warrior]

I don't care much about the voted polls that get all of the publicity, but pay much more attention to the NCAA seed lists issued by respected bracketologists.

I'm looking forward to Saturday's release by the NCAA to see if the bracketologists have been accurately anticipating the NCAA's evaluation of the top teams.

But, to say that Arizona hasn't beaten anyone is refuted by the fact that they are 7-3 in quad one games.

Only UConn and Purdue with 8 have more Quad 1 wins, and Houston is the only other team with 7. That is a big reason why those teams are considered the current front runners for the 1 seeds.

The only teams with 6 are Kansas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, which explains why the Badgers are still very comfortably in the NCAA field despite their recent losing streak (probably around a 5 seed).

Unlike the voted polls, NCAA selections do not have a significant recency bias.

All that being said, I expect MU to be either 6 or 7 in the AP and Coaches polls behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, Arizona, Notth Carolina, and maybe Kansas (whose loss to KSU is muted by their recent wins over Houston and Baylor).

I don't think NC deserves to be rated that high, but I don't see them falling all the way from 3 to out of the top 5. IMHO they were overrated in those polls at 3, and that isn't likely to be corrected because of one Monday loss.

NC like Duke always gets the ACC bias.

[1SE]

I don't care much about the voted polls that get all of the publicity, but pay much more attention to the NCAA seed lists issued by respected bracketologists.

I'm looking forward to Saturday's release by the NCAA to see if the bracketologists have been accurately anticipating the NCAA's evaluation of the top teams.

But, to say that Arizona hasn't beaten anyone is refuted by the fact that they are 7-3 in quad one games.

Only UConn and Purdue with 8 have more Quad 1 wins, and Houston is the only other team with 7. That is a big reason why those teams are considered the current front runners for the 1 seeds.

The only teams with 6 are Kansas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, which explains why the Badgers are still very comfortably in the NCAA field despite their recent losing streak (probably around a 5 seed).

Unlike the voted polls, NCAA selections do not have a significant recency bias.

All that being said, I expect MU to be either 6 or 7 in the AP and Coaches polls behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, Arizona, Notth Carolina, and maybe Kansas (whose loss to KSU is muted by their recent wins over Houston and Baylor).

I don't think NC deserves to be rated that high, but I don't see them falling all the way from 3 to out of the top 5. IMHO they were overrated in those polls at 3, and that isn't likely to be corrected because of one Monday loss.

We should definitely be ahead of UNC and KU. They both now have 5 losses. UNC has lost 2 of its last 4 including to an unranked team at home. KU's road loss not as bad, but we've won 7 straight. And if we're 5/6 you'd have to think the head-to-head of 2 5-loss teams would matter for pollsters.

[wisblue]

NC like Duke always gets the ACC bias.

I think all of the blue bloods like Kansas, Arizona, Kentucky, et al get preferential treatment from voters.

[Uncle Rico]

NC like Duke always gets the ACC bias.

Heckuva game from Jop, Gold and Mitchell yesterday.  Surprised Shaka keeps playing them

[wisblue]

We should definitely be ahead of UNC and KU. They both now have 5 losses. UNC has lost 2 of its last 4 including to an unranked team at home. KU's road loss not as bad, but we've won 7 straight. And if we're 5/6 you'd have to think the head-to-head of 2 5-loss teams would matter for pollsters.

You're putting in the recency factor that the NCAA generally ignores.

[wisblue]

Heckuva game from Jop, Gold and Mitchell yesterday.  Surprised Shaka keeps playing them

Seems like the wrong thread for these words of wisdom.

[WhiteTrash]

I think all of the blue bloods like Kansas, Arizona, Kentucky, et al get preferential treatment from voters.

Agreed.

Arizona is weird. By an reasonable definition, Arizona is not really close to being a blue blood. I suppose if your definition of blue blood has about 15 schools, I'd put AZ there.

[Uncle Rico]

Seems like the wrong thread for these words of wisdom.

Those 3 players have kept us from number 1 because Shaka played them in losses

[mugrad_89]

Those 3 players have kept us from number 1 because Shaka played them in losses

He really should be giving the walk-ons more playing time.

[Uncle Rico]

He really should be giving the walk-ons more playing time.

I like what I've seen out of Jonah Lucas

[mugrad_89]

I like what I've seen out of Jonah Lucas

Unlimited potential that Shaka is holding back.

[wisblue]

Agreed.

Arizona is weird. By an reasonable definition, Arizona is not really close to being a blue blood. I suppose if your definition of blue blood has about 15 schools, I'd put AZ there.

In this context I'm talking about a team that has been in the top 10-20 for much of the last 10 years and makes the NCAA tournament virtually every year.

[Viper]

Heckuva game from Jop, Gold and Mitchell yesterday.  Surprised Shaka keeps playing them

an idiot doing idiot things, hey

[MuggsyB]

In this context I'm talking about a team that has been in the top 10-20 for much of the last 10 years and makes the NCAA tournament virtually every year.

Based on your definition is Gonzaga a Blue Blood?

[wisblue]

Based on your definition is Gonzaga a Blue Blood?

Yes.

Instead of "Blue Blood" maybe I would call them "traditional powers". And for most people "tradition" doesn't go back too far.

[mugrad_89]

Based on your definition is Gonzaga a Blue Blood?

I can almost guarantee the Gonzaga will be back in the top 25 based on 1 win against an overrated Kentucky team.

[tower912]

Yes.

Instead of "Blue Blood" maybe I would call them "traditional powers".

Traditional Powers, international man of mystery.

[wisblue]

I haven't seen a game with Gillen on color for a while.

Does he routinely go "whoa" just about every time someone makes a shot?

[Ardmore Mug]

CBS 25+1  poll by Gary Parrish out today... MU up to 4..... Rodents down to 20...   No sight of Gonzaga ! ! ! 

[MuggsyB]

I haven't seen a game with Gillen on color for a while.

Does he routinely go "whoa" just about every time someone makes a shot?

He isn't doing it routinely. 

[wisblue]

He isn't doing it routinely.

I consider more than 10 to be pretty routine, and he has had at least that many.