So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[brewcity77]

Seth Davis has us at #14.

https://twitter.com/sethdavishoops/status/1490513572178415619?s=21

[DoctorV]

This is a complete impossibility unless Wojo took a midmajor so far out of our league that we wouldn't care (Cleveland State or something) or they took him back at Duke and he sat in a chair watching Banchero dominate his competition.

Either option there would produce no salt from me. He's too inept to succeed anywhere on Marquette's level - so it's not even a hypothetical worth considering.

I'm not going to engage in a back and forth and argue with you but this is flat out wrong.
Your hatred of the guy has brutally clouded your judgement.

He didn't turn Marquette to DePaul, or what Butler or Georgetown are producing this year. He had MU competitive, in the tourney or at the doorstep for several of his years here.

Sure, not winning an NCAA tourney game sucks arse, there's no denying that, and MU is much better off with coach Smart. However, relax with the "the guy is completely useless and doesn't deserve to coach anywhere outside of a midmajor" rhetoric.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps Wojo was fully doomed coming to Marquette immediately after coach Buzz took MU to 3 consecutive sweet 16s with an Elite 8 to boot? Did it ever occur to you that maybe that was catching lightning in a bottle and that almost any coach that tried to fill those shoes would have fallen short?

I know he fell way short in your eyes, but don't exaggerate it because your expectations for what you wanted from him were a bit irrational, or biased because of the previous tenures successes.

Wojo can coach at a higher level than you think, and he will. I'm not sure he will be successful, but I'm sure he's earned another opportunity

[TallTitan34]

Dicky V has us at 13

https://www.espn.com/espn/dickvitale/story/_/id/33232131/duke-aj-griffin-dick-vitale-diaper-dandy-week-arizona-rises-top-25

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Borges has us at 15 up from 25.
Davis 14 from 18

Seth Davis has us at 14

Seth Davis has us at #14.

https://twitter.com/sethdavishoops/status/1490513572178415619?s=21

You guys get a group rate or something? 

[TallTitan34]

Safe to expect a 23 from Jesse Newell?

[JakeBarnes]

Safe to expect a 23 from Jesse Newell?

Sharpie

[DoctorV]

That's it, MU is done for the week (sad!)

That said, solid for top 25 ranking.

I'll go with the solid/bold 6 spot jump prediction. I know I know still games to be played, but I did the math and I'm sticking to it!

17 in the AP next week.

From 6 pages ago but only 4 days ago.

It's happening!?!?

[5DollarPitcher]

I'm not going to engage in a back and forth and argue with you but this is flat out wrong.
Your hatred of the guy has brutally clouded your judgement.

He didn't turn Marquette to DePaul, or what Butler or Georgetown are producing this year. He had MU competitive, in the tourney or at the doorstep for several of his years here.

Sure, not winning an NCAA tourney game sucks arse, there's no denying that, and MU is much better off with coach Smart. However, relax with the "the guy is completely useless and doesn't deserve to coach anywhere outside of a midmajor" rhetoric.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps Wojo was fully doomed coming to Marquette immediately after coach Buzz took MU to 3 consecutive sweet 16s with an Elite 8 to boot? Did it ever occur to you that maybe that was catching lightning in a bottle and that almost any coach that tried to fill those shoes would have fallen short?

I know he fell way short in your eyes, but don't exaggerate it because your expectations for what you wanted from him were a bit irrational, or biased because of the previous tenures successes.

Wojo can coach at a higher level than you think, and he will. I'm not sure he will be successful, but I'm sure he's earned another opportunity

The original hypothetical was what if Wojo was "killing it" somewhere else. My position is that he's incapable of "killing it" period. Unless with a midmajor. Sure - he can go somewhere else on MU's level and help them tread water in the middle of their conference. Maybe make the tournament once or twice. But that doesn't fall under the definition of "killing it".

Any program accepting Wojo's results long term, despite the fact that he never fully tanked us,  has no pride in its basketball program.

[JakeBarnes]

Updated:

Dickie V 13  (from 17)
Seth Davis 14 (from 18)
Clayton Collier 15 (from 18)
Borges 15 (from 25)

[DoctorV]

The original hypothetical was what if Wojo was "killing it" somewhere else. My position is that he's incapable of "killing it" period. Unless with a midmajor. Sure - he can go somewhere else on MU's level and help them tread water in the middle of their conference. Maybe make the tournament once or twice. But that doesn't fall under the definition of "killing it".

Any program accepting Wojo's results long term, despite the fact that he never fully tanked us,  has no pride in its basketball program.

Maybe if you look at things from your perspective, or from the perspective of what you expect at Marquette.

There are several high major programs that would accept "Wojos results" long term- if you consider those "results" being middle of the pack in their conference yearly, sniffing the dance and making it a few times here and there, having a top 25 team on occasion that gets to the doorstep of winning a conference title, recruiting a few NBA type talent guys, several top 100 kids and some top 50, and bringing in an all American/all world talent that is alltime leading scorer in conference history and can drop 50 and make your head spin.

Would they accept no tourney wins? Most wouldn't like it but many would be happy to just be there. All it takes is a good bounce here and there when you put yourself in position.

Im not going to list all the high majors that "wojos results" would be acceptable for, but universities like DePaul, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Georgia, Georgetown at this point, a few big 10 teams, etc would sign up for those results and the hope of becoming relevant again.

Don't be fooled into forgetting that our current coach had very similar "wojo results" at his previous stop, and that hasn't slowed him down at Marquette.
Meanwhile, Porter Moser, who I was also very positive on as a candidate, had much better recent results and is 1-7 in his last 8 games at Oklahoma (13-10, 3-7).

Fit matters, and at the end of the day even though "wojos results" aren't what we all want at MU there are plenty of programs that would take those results and be very happy with the turnaround.

[GB Warrior]

Updated:

Dickie V 13  (from 17)
Seth Davis 14 (from 18)
Clayton Collier 15 (from 18)
Borges 15 (from 25)

Wow, thought Davis would be the outlier when I saw his. F**k that's high.

[JakeBarnes]

Wow, thought Davis would be the outlier when I saw his. F**k that's high.

Did a lot of digging on ballots. A lot of voters who had us 23-25 had us behind teams like LSU, Iowa State, Texas, Uconn, Boise, Alabama, Miami, X, etc.

Just cutting those teams out of ballots could give us 4-5 spot jumps on a lot of ballots. And that's before seeing what they do to MSU and USC.

[DoctorV]

Wow, thought Davis would be the outlier when I saw his. F**k that's high.

Yea I had a feeling that this week would be a more pleasant jump than we expected.

It's just one of those weeks that makes sense to have a big jump. Getting in a few weeks ago with that many losses probably had voters skeptical.

Then MU won at SH comfortably, nearly won at Providence, and swept Villanova at home fairly comfortably.

Now those voters believe and the rankings jump will show that.
Obviously you need help from others in front of you losing, but IMO Marquette will also jump ahead of a team like Tennessee who didn't lose but hasn't has as impressive of a recent stretch at MU.

[The Thing]

Would they accept no tourney wins? Most wouldn't like it but many would be happy to just be there. All it takes is a good bounce here and there when you put yourself in position.

[/quote]

All we needed was a good bounce or two against Murray State and South Carolina and we would have been in the round of 32! Can we please stop defending Wojo? I've moved on. He recruited well but he sucked as a major program head coach.

[The Thing]

...and I'm going with 17 this week.

[JakeBarnes]

Updated:

Dickie V 13  (from 17)
Seth Davis 14 (from 18)
Clayton Collier 15 (from 18)
Borges 15 (from 25)

Chad Leistikow 16 (from 25)
Berman at 15 (from 18)

Assume Jesse Newell/kenpom 23 (from NR)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Alabama and LSU were the only ones behind us who were reasonably close enough to leapfrog us and they went 0-4, so we're not being jumped.

We will pass:
#23 Texas (L@TTU, W-IAST)
#21 Xavier (W-BUT, L-DPL)
#20 Iowa State (L-KU, L@UT)
#17 UConn (L-CREI, L@NOVA)

We may pass:
#22 Tennessee (W-TAMU, W@SC)
#19 USC (W@ASU, L@ZONA)
#16 Ohio State (W-MARY)
#13 Michigan State (W@MARY, L@RUT)
#12 Villanova (L@MARQ, W-UCONN)
#11 Wisconsin (L@ILL, W-PSU)

We won't pass:
#18 Illinois (W-WIS, W@IND)
#15 Providence (W@SJU, W@GTWN)
#14 Texas Tech (W-TEX, W@WVU)
Anyone ranked #10 or higher

So a floor #20, a ceiling of 14. I'm guessing 18, but we close the gap on those that we don't pass.

[Goose]

I'll go 14 this week.

[NotAnAlum]

Not wild about going into UCONN with a big number on our back against a good team who just lost their ranking. Big motivation for the home team and their fans.

[MUfan12]

Not wild about going into UCONN with a big number on our back against a good team who just lost their ranking. Big motivation for the home team and their fans.

This is what we should want!

[MU82]

Not wild about going into UCONN with a big number on our back against a good team who just lost their ranking. Big motivation for the home team and their fans.

Marquette is a good team that should have big motivation to win an important game against a team that beat us in Milwaukee.

We Are Marquette!

[Shooter McGavin]

Marquette is a good team that should have big motivation to win an important game against a team that beat us in Milwaukee.

We Are Marquette!

I'm with you 82.  F Uconn's motivation.  Let's play like we're the better team (which we are) and get a W!

[StillAWarrior]

Not wild about going into UCONN with a big number on our back against a good team who just lost their ranking. Big motivation for the home team and their fans.

Part of being successful is having a target on your back. All the time. It's what we aspire to.

[JakeBarnes]

Chad Leistikow 16 (from 25)
Berman at 15 (from 18)

Assume Jesse Newell/kenpom 23 (from NR)

Carino 14 (from 22)
Rothstein 16 (from 20)
DeCock 20 (from nr)

[NotAnAlum]

Part of being successful is having a target on your back. All the time. It's what we aspire to.

Yep Shaka stage 2 and we're less than a year in