So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[MarquetteDano]

Admittedly not looking at the other teams but if we beat Northern Illinois does not seem like enough.

Beat Jackson State and the rodents we would most likely be ranked.

[brewcity77]

how are we feeling about this now?

I think we move up a bit, but not to ranked. Probably pass two loss Va Tech and lackluster Oregon for sure. Maybe past Xavier and Ohio State too. Though Wisconsin and Iowa State will likely get some votes too, so we might move up a bit, but probably not too far.

[DoctorV]

Bonnies lost by 10 to 1-3 Northern Iowa

[zcg2013]

UNI shot 15/31 from 3. Quite the game

[Scoop Snoop]

Bonnies lost by 10 to 1-3 Northern Iowa

And one of the three losses was to mighty Nicholls St.

[rocket surgeon]

i'm going with what ever doc says

[JakeBarnes]

Goodman has us at 18

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

9th in receiving votes.  Wisconsin debuts in rankings - so we can add a ranked W to our list.  Illinois and St. Bonnie both fall from top 25.

Nova 6
UCONN 17
Seton Hall 25

Xavier getting votes with MU.

[Its DJOver]

Jesse Newell has had... interesting ballots before, but this is a new one. Why doesn't he just give his ballot to Kenpom?

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette #31 in Coaches Poll #34 Writers Poll

[TSmith34, Inc.]

After last night's win, Haslametrics has MU at...118?

[Shooter McGavin]

After last night's win, Haslametrics has MU at...118?

If Kenpom wasn't randomly guessing on a team like Marquette at the beginning of the year (whole new team, nothing to go by) and were randomly slated at #20 preseason.  Would we still be 78 at this point based on our body of work?

Just curious.  I'm not enough of a stats guy.  I do see teams like ND who have not even beaten a high major team so far start off at 28 (which seemed ridiculously high) and are still well ahead of us as a reference point to my question. 

 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If Kenpom wasn't randomly guessing on a team like Marquette at the beginning of the year (whole new team, nothing to go by) and were randomly slated at #20 preseason.  Would we still be 78 at this point based on our body of work?

Just curious.  I'm not enough of a stats guy.  I do see teams like ND who have not even beaten a high major team so far start off at 28 (which seemed ridiculously high) and are still well ahead of us as a reference point to my question. 

KenPom doesn't randomly guess. The formula looks at last season's stats from players currently on the roster and spits out a projection. KenPom seems to over-reward teams that have minimal roster turnover from year to year. Notre Dame was ranked where they were because they returned their top 4 players and 5 out of their top 6 players, added a stud transfer from Yale, and a 4-star freshman. KenPom may have also anticipated that the oft injured Robby Carmody (former top 100 recruit) would be returning which has not happened.

To answer your question, no, if we were just looking at games this season, we would be ranked higher by KenPom. Sometime in January KenPom only uses data from the current season. Until then, KenPom slowly phases out the data from last season.

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Notre Dame was ranked where they were because they returned their top 4 players and 5 out of their top 6 players, added a stud transfer from Yale, and a 4-star freshman. KenPom may have also anticipated that the oft injured Robby Carmody (former top 100 recruit) would be returning which has not happened.

Carmody is from my area, so I followed his high school career pretty closely.  His story is pretty heartbreaking - he tore his ACL on a garbage-time dunk back in Dec. 2019 and hasn't played a game since.  Some think his leg is completely done and he'll never play again.  After seeing that, I wince every time I a player tries to get themselves on SportsCenter in a blowout. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

KenPom doesn't randomly guess. The formula looks at last season's stats from players currently on the roster and spits out a projection. KenPom seems to over-reward teams that have minimal roster turnover from year to year. Notre Dame was ranked where they were because they returned their top 4 players and 5 out of their top 6 players, added a stud transfer from Yale, and a 4-star freshman. KenPom may have also anticipated that the oft injured Robby Carmody (former top 100 recruit) would be returning which has not happened.

To answer your question, no, if we were just looking at games this season, we would be ranked higher by KenPom. Sometime in January KenPom only uses data from the current season. Until then, KenPom slowly phases out the data from last season.

???

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

KenPom doesn't randomly guess. The formula looks at last season's stats from players currently on the roster and spits out a projection. KenPom seems to over-reward teams that have minimal roster turnover from year to year. Notre Dame was ranked where they were because they returned their top 4 players and 5 out of their top 6 players, added a stud transfer from Yale, and a 4-star freshman. KenPom may have also anticipated that the oft injured Robby Carmody (former top 100 recruit) would be returning which has not happened.

To answer your question, no, if we were just looking at games this season, we would be ranked higher by KenPom. Sometime in January KenPom only uses data from the current season. Until then, KenPom slowly phases out the data from last season.

So, he's randomly guessing by using data from the previous year that may or may not have any correlation with the current year?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

???

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-atkinson-1.html

[MU82]

What I'm hearing is that kenpom isn't very useful until at least January. I honestly don't know why anybody quotes it before then.

[Jay Bee]

What I'm hearing is that kenpom isn't very useful until at least January. I honestly don't know why anybody quotes it before then.

That's not what you should be hearing. It's not as if January arrives and there is huge movement throughout.

[MU82]

That's not what you should be hearing. It's not as if January arrives and there is huge movement throughout.

February then?

Only kidding.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What I'm hearing is that kenpom isn't very useful until at least January. I honestly don't know why anybody quotes it before then.

I wouldn't say that. You just need to understand what it is early in the year and not overly emphasize it. It is also a slow progression towards increased usefulness, not a dramatic switch in January.

[5DollarPitcher]

KenPom doesn't randomly guess. The formula looks at last season's stats from players currently on the roster and spits out a projection.

OK so rather than a random guess, it's a semi-educated guess.  Either way, KenPom at the start of the year had no data on this TEAM and typically a TEAM does not equal the sum of its parts (sometimes more, sometimes less, but it usually never works out as a sum of every player's 'rating' like a video game).

I'm not crazy about KenPom, in general - too mechanical and had a tendency to overrate our Wojo teams, but I'm definitely not giving it any credence when evaluating this year's team.  Let's just watch and see.

[warriorchick]

I don't understand fans who get bent out of shape over rankings, especially early in the year. Personally I'd rather be underrated and let our opponents lower their expectations.

[Galway Eagle]

I don't understand fans who get bent out of shape over rankings, especially early in the year. Personally I'd rather be underrated and let our opponents lower their expectations.

I think it's general university publicity. I always feel better when we're at least receiving votes

[Miss Katie’s]

I don't understand fans who get bent out of shape over rankings, especially early in the year. Personally I'd rather be underrated and let our opponents lower their expectations.

Word.  I enjoy being more off the radar and surprising people.