So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[Dr. Blackheart]

27 coaches Equipment Managers' poll

FIFY

[Dish]

If you want to unnecessarily raise your blood pressure, look to see who those 20 schmucks had on their ballet.

I was first mad at Jesse Newell for putting Texas at 16, but then I saw he had Wisconsin at 25, so it evens out, and the Dayton writer clearly has Marquette envy.

Newell basically took KenPom top 25 and submitted it to the AP.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Despite wins over 4 top 25 and one Recieving votes.

Hope the team can use that disrespect as fire this week as opposed to getting too high from the AP 22

Agree. But No teams in Coaches Poll had more than 5 losses and MU net is 32. But again. MU has more Quad 1 wins than anyone except Baylor. MU has played one of the hardest schedules in the Country.

[1SE]

If you want to unnecessarily raise your blood pressure, look to see who those 20 schmucks had on their ballet.

I was first mad at Jesse Newell for putting Texas at 16, but then I saw he had Wisconsin at 25, so it evens out, and the Dayton writer clearly has Marquette envy.

Someone compile a list of the twitter handles?

[CountryRoads]

Someone compile a list of the twitter handles?

Out of curiosity, I took a quick look. Looks like mostly people from west of the Mississippi, 2 likely projos from the Durham/Raleigh area, and then just some randoms.

With all due respect, there are some other teams that likely deserve to also be ranked but are not.

[brewcity77]

Newell basically took takes KenPom top 25 and submitted it to the AP.

FIFY. That's been his MO for years now. He just outsources his ballot to Pomeroy with the occasional tweak.

[MU82]

FIFY

Mostly sports information directors or their assistants. Polls are polls -- some say they have value, others say they're little more than conversation starters -- but the "SID poll" has always been a sham.

I thought we might sneak into the top 20 but I didn't do the research TAMU did. After seeing that, 22 makes sense. We're right behind UConn, who we lost to at home, and X, who we split very similar games with, so I'm not complainin' at all.

Marquette's fundraisers are already on this -- I just received this email:

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[NCMUFan]

I'd want to know receiving votes as well because I've always thought it's easier to get into the Top 25 if you start there than breaking into it from the outside.

I agree.  If you ascend into the lower part of the Top 25 during the season, it does not afford a slip as there are a bunch of other teams ready to take that place.

[pbiflyer]

This is true. I also think it's true that the overwhelming majority of college hoops fans never visit a message board and never listen to a college hoops podcast.

Wait, you are saying we here are not normal??????? 

[The Equalizer]

Would be interesting to know how many returning players/recruits each coach had. Obviously Hank and Buzz are outliers in that regard, but what Shaka has done with an almost entirely rebuilt team is nothing short of remarkable.

To be fair to all prior coaches, Shaka is the first MU coach to be able to recruit transfers who would be immediately available. And the grad transfer rule was only implemented in 2006, so anyone before Buzz didn't have that option either.  Look at what Morsell, Kuath and Kolek bring to the table, and realize that no coach prior to Buzz would have been able to use them in Year 1. 


 

[Pepe Sylvia]

Excellent point, equalizer.

[PBRme]

To be fair to all prior coaches, Shaka is the first MU coach to be able to recruit transfers who would be immediately available. And the grad transfer rule was only implemented in 2006, so anyone before Buzz didn't have that option either.  Look at what Morsell, Kuath and Kolek bring to the table, and realize that no coach prior to Buzz would have been able to use them in Year 1. 

Also OMP

[Jockey]

I would respectfully say if it was 1998, then yes, I'd absolutely agree with you.

A big time hoops fan, a recruit, AAU coach, etc., they know if you're good, and the AP poll helps solidify that. I think data and notoriety have evolved with how we consume college basketball has radically changed over the last 25 years. The casual college hoops fan is a dying breed. If you're listening to a college hoops podcast, you're a fan who knows what's going on.

I love that MU is good, I'm not trying to piss on the AP poll just to be a jerk, I just think we collectively have evolved as college hoops fans.

I'm on your side here, Dish. Get to the S16 and the program gets more cred from those who matter than 16 weeks worth of poll results.

Polls are for fans to feel good. Studio and play-by-play announcers talking about the hottest team in the country matters way more.

[Pepe Sylvia]

I'm a fan and I like to feel good.

[muwarrior69]

Obviously all coaches entered different circumstances but just for fun I looked at how many games it took past MU coaches to get their team ranked.

Data from www.muoverload.com

Shaka - 20
Wojo - 133
Buzz - 0
Crean - 62
Deane - 46
O'Neil - 102
Dukiet - Never
Majerus - Never
Raymonds - 0
McGuire - 103

It used to be the top 20; not sure when they increased it to the top 25. I know it was the top 20 during Al's time.

[YaBlueIt]

To be fair to all prior coaches, Shaka is the first MU coach to be able to recruit transfers who would be immediately available. And the grad transfer rule was only implemented in 2006, so anyone before Buzz didn't have that option either.  Look at what Morsell, Kuath and Kolek bring to the table, and realize that no coach prior to Buzz would have been able to use them in Year 1. 

This is a great point and it should be no surprise that our 5 most impactful players are either all transfers or were on the team last year.

The more impressive side of that is how cohesive they already look as a team and how well each of them fits into their role. That culture will only strengthen over time. I'm cherishing every minute of this season so far, but it's hard not to daydream a little about the Shaka teams of the future, with our top players having matured over years within his system and Kolek running the offense as a seasoned upperclassman. Sheesh

[Jay Bee]

It used to be the top 20; not sure when they increased it to the top 25. I know it was the top 20 during Al's time.

1989-90 season

[MU82]

To be fair to all prior coaches, Shaka is the first MU coach to be able to recruit transfers who would be immediately available. And the grad transfer rule was only implemented in 2006, so anyone before Buzz didn't have that option either.  Look at what Morsell, Kuath and Kolek bring to the table, and realize that no coach prior to Buzz would have been able to use them in Year 1. 

I'll be the latest to jump in and say this is an excellent point. Shaka had built-in advantages that his predecessors did not. Still, major, major kudos to Shaka for identifying these transfers, getting them here, and getting them all working together so well and so quickly.

Only about 3 weeks ago, thread after thread was about how we had no chance to win this season with the guys Shaka brought in. Mea culpa too: I was among those saying this team wasn't built to win in Year 1.

Anybody who isn't completely impressed with how things have gone since that 0-3 BEast start is ... well ... is NLW!

[willie warrior]

Thank you for this contribution, however you should delete this post as it will trigger some here.  Any references to past coaches must be muzzled and immediately suppressed.

Yes the cancel culture is alive and well on Scoop.

[MomofMUltiples]

No need to name call Mom. 

That's the Saint Paulite in me, TAMU.  Thinking about that old Catholic High School that produced pros like Paul Molitor and Joe Mauer.

[Dr. Blackheart]

To be fair to all prior coaches, Shaka is the first MU coach to be able to recruit transfers who would be immediately available. And the grad transfer rule was only implemented in 2006, so anyone before Buzz didn't have that option either.  Look at what Morsell, Kuath and Kolek bring to the table, and realize that no coach prior to Buzz would have been able to use them in Year 1. 

JUCO transfers were the norm

[real chili 83]

That's the Saint Paulite in me, TAMU.  Thinking about that old Catholic High School that produced pros like Paul Molitor and Joe Mauer.

And TAMU, and one other person on Scoop.  Can't remember his name, though.

[augoman]

It used to be the top 20; not sure when they increased it to the top 25. I know it was the top 20 during Al's time.

Funny, all I remember during Al's tenure is the top 10- did they really list a top 20 then?

[WhiteTrash]

Funny, all I remember during Al's tenure is the top 10- did they really list a top 20 then?

First world problem... I can only think Alabama football fans believe there is only the Top 5.

[DoctorV]

Didn't want to start a new thread with this, and now that the monkey is off the back we can speak freely here...

In terms of top 25 ranking I think tomorrows game at the Dunk might be the most important of MUs season.

7 wins in a row, a win @#17 would make it 8. Looking at the top 25 I honestly see a 6/7 spot jump to #15 with a victory.

That would be huge because in that case B2b losses to Nova and UConn would likely still keep Marquette in the top 25 before the schedule gets easier (although I don't love the trip to Butler after those).

Barring a letdown to end the season that could mean a top 5 seed and that's huge for the ability to win a game in the dance.

A loss tomorrow- barring a massive blowout- still keeps MU in the top 25 for now IMO but a loss to Nova then pushes MU out with a trip to UConn in the wings.
That could then send Marquette back to the 9/10 seed range as the season winds down into March.

I know AP ranking doesn't affect seeding, metrics play a much bigger role, but staying in the eye of the committee as a top 25 team for several weeks leading up to selection Sunday- even with a bad loss here or there or early exit in the BET- could be VERY beneficial for the overall outcome of the season.

Lets Dunk on the Friars