So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[BM1090]

Seth Davis has us at 14. Rothstein at 15. Osterman at 12. Borges at 17.

[Daniel]

Seth Davis has us at 14. Rothstein at 15. Osterman at 12. Borges at 17.

I think closer to 20 than 15.

[WarriorFan]

I'd guess 19-21

[MUBigDance]

This is a bit of a downer post:
A 4 seed translates to top 16 in committees eyes. Unless we run the table they the BET, that will be another loss and I'm guessing top 20...5 seed.

That's 3 losses beyond the 3-seed the early seeding gave us.

I know this is about rankings not seeding but if all the rankings and Net have us 17+ at the end of the year then I'm guessing 5 seed.

[Jay Bee]

This is a bit of a downer post:
A 4 seed translates to top 16 in committees eyes. Unless we run the table they the BET, that will be another loss and I'm guessing top 20...5 seed.

#FakeNews #Lies

[brewnewsman]

We are 16.


BC-BKC--T25-AP Top 25,0257
The Top Twenty Five
By The Associated Press
   The top 25 teams in The Associated Press' college basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through March 3, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote and last week's ranking:
                                    Record      Pts  Prv
  1.  Gonzaga  (42)        29-2      1578      1
  2.  Virginia  (21)      26-2      1553      2
  3.  North  Carolina    24-5      1428      5
  4.  Duke  (1)                25-4      1399      3
  5.  Tennessee              26-3      1366      7
  6.  Kentucky                24-5      1274      4
  7.  Michigan                26-4      1216      9
  8.  Texas  Tech            24-5      1100    11
  9.  Michigan  St.        23-6      1039      6
10.  LSU                          24-5      1005    13
11.  Purdue                    22-7        999    14
12.  Houston                  27-2        895      8
13.  Kansas                    22-7        798    15
14.  Florida  St.          23-6        702    18
15.  Virginia  Tech      22-6        668    20
16.  Marquette              23-6        626    10
17.  Nevada                    26-3        579    12
18.  Kansas  St.            22-7        499    16
19.  Buffalo                  26-3        437    21
20.  Cincinnati            25-4        408    23
21.  Wisconsin              20-9        322    19
22.  Wofford                  26-4        269    24
23.  Villanova              22-8        214      --
24.  Maryland                21-9        207    17
25.  UCF                          22-6          48      --
   Others receiving votes: Auburn 43, Mississippi St. 25, Iowa St. 21, Utah St. 17, VCU 14, Washington 14, Louisville 12, New Mexico St. 8, Baylor 7, Belmont 7, Old Dominion 3.
   AP-WF-03-04-19 1706GMT

[We R Final Four]

Still in top 25 after yesterday? 

[IL Warrior]

I'm confused. muguru informed us that top 10 teams don't lose at home. Shouldn't the top 10 look like this?

1 Gonzaga
2 Tennessee
3 Purdue
4 Kansas
5 Buffalo
6 Nevada
7 Washington
8 Gardner-Webb
9 Prairie View A&M
10 (vacant - not enough teams to qualify)

Shouldn't I be panicking about MU being worse than Prairie View A&M?

Oh wait. I forgot this is all subjective analysis done by journalists. As it turns out, I shouldn't get all worked up about one win, one loss, or one set of rankings.

[muguru]

I'm confused. muguru informed us that top 10 teams don't lose at home. Shouldn't the top 10 look like this?

1 Gonzaga
2 Tennessee
3 Purdue
4 Kansas
5 Buffalo
6 Nevada
7 Washington
8 Gardner-Webb
9 Prairie View A&M
10 (vacant - not enough teams to qualify)

Shouldn't I be panicking about MU being worse than Prairie View A&M?

Oh wait. I forgot this is all subjective analysis done by journalists. As it turns out, I shouldn't get all worked up about one win, one loss, or one set of rankings.

Let me ask you this and answer this honestly...were you okay that MU lost at home yesterday to a crap team?? Or was that a pathetic, disgusting performance that should have NEVER happened?? I will hang up and listen to your answer.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

To play that poorly and only lose by 6 is mind blowing. 

[Cheeks]

Let me ask you this and answer this honestly...were you okay that MU lost at home yesterday to a crap team?? Or was that a pathetic, disgusting performance that should have NEVER happened?? I will hang up and listen to your answer.

50th ranked team isn't crap.  Are we better, sure, but it happens.  IU swept Michigan State.  I can give you multiple other examples.

This is why we play the games.  Please hang up...

[BrewCity83]

Let me ask you this and answer this honestly...were you okay that MU lost at home yesterday to a crap team?? Or was that a pathetic, disgusting performance that should have NEVER happened?? I will hang up and listen to your answer.

OMG the sky is falling!!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Let me ask you this and answer this honestly...were you okay that MU lost at home yesterday to a crap team?? Or was that a pathetic, disgusting performance that should have NEVER happened?? I will hang up and listen to your answer.

If you are asking if I think we played poorly against a team we should have beaten, then the answer is yes.

But "should have NEVER happened???" the answer is no. Teams lose games they are supposed to win all the time. Teams win games they are supposed to lose all the the time. As long as the former is an anomaly and the second one happens more than every once and awhile you are in pretty good shape.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

If you are asking if I think we played poorly against a team we should have beaten, then the answer is yes.

But "should have NEVER happened???" the answer is no. Teams lose games they are supposed to win all the time. Teams win games they are supposed to lose all the the time. As long as the former is an anomaly and the second one happens more than every once and awhile you are in pretty good shape.

Yep.  Yesterday was the annual head scratcher that MU is good for. 

Seems like Creighton is just a bad matchup for our guys too.  We really should be 0-2 against them. 

[MU82]

Don't just fire Wojo. Disband the program.

We lost to Creighton at home.

[BrewCity83]

Don't just disband the program, close down the school.  How can we ever recover from the humiliation?

[Windyplayer]

Don't just disband the program, close down the school.  How can we ever recover from the humiliation?

Self-imposed death sentence. See everyone in 10 years.

[lawdog77]

Don't just disband the program, close down the school.  How can we ever recover from the humiliation?

Hiroshima finally arrived

[TallTitan34]

Hiroshima finally arrived

Knew the eventual Hiroshima was going to be bad, but this is far worse than I could have imagined.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Don't just fire Wojo. Disband the program.

We lost to Creighton at home.

I blame the folk in the stands who just weren't competing hard enough.

[IL Warrior]

Let me ask you this and answer this honestly...were you okay that MU lost at home yesterday to a crap team?? Or was that a pathetic, disgusting performance that should have NEVER happened?? I will hang up and listen to your answer.

I'd be glad to respond. I'll take your comments one at a time:

1. Was I okay? Yes. It's a basketball game. It's not life or death. Did I want Marquette to win? Absolutely. Was I disappointed when they lost? Yes.
2. Creighton is a "crap team" No, they aren't. They are #49 NET, #49 T-Rank, #48 Kenpom, #42 BPI, #59 SOR, #56 RPI, #42 KPI, #43 Sagarin. That's pretty good by every objective measure I can find.
3. Was it pathetic and disgusting? It was bad. It was sloppy. Calling a 6-point loss to the ~50th best team in the country "pathetic" and "disgusting" is silly.
4. Should it have NEVER happened? Don't be ridiculous. Upsets happen. The better team doesn't always win, even at home. If the better team won every game, then the best team would be undefeated every year. How often has that happened (including NCAA Tournament championship)? It's happened 7 times, last in 1976. Apparently every team since then has lost a game that they "NEVER" should have lost.

The world is not ending. The rest of the season isn't cancelled. If you compare the results this season (23-6 / 12-4, tied for 1st in BE in loss column, expected 3-6 seed in NCAA tournament) to the expectations, this season is still a success. One loss doesn't wipe all that away.

[MrCNote]

Well said Il Warrior

[MU82]

I'd be glad to respond. I'll take your comments one at a time:

1. Was I okay? Yes. It's a basketball game. It's not life or death. Did I want Marquette to win? Absolutely. Was I disappointed when they lost? Yes.
2. Creighton is a "crap team" No, they aren't. They are #49 NET, #49 T-Rank, #48 Kenpom, #42 BPI, #59 SOR, #56 RPI, #42 KPI, #43 Sagarin. That's pretty good by every objective measure I can find.
3. Was it pathetic and disgusting? It was bad. It was sloppy. Calling a 6-point loss to the ~50th best team in the country "pathetic" and "disgusting" is silly.
4. Should it have NEVER happened? Don't be ridiculous. Upsets happen. The better team doesn't always win, even at home. If the better team won every game, then the best team would be undefeated every year. How often has that happened (including NCAA Tournament championship)? It's happened 7 times, last in 1976. Apparently every team since then has lost a game that they "NEVER" should have lost.

The world is not ending. The rest of the season isn't cancelled. If you compare the results this season (23-6 / 12-4, tied for 1st in BE in loss column, expected 3-6 seed in NCAA tournament) to the expectations, this season is still a success. One loss doesn't wipe all that away.

Superb, logic-filled, common-sense-filled, fact-filled post.

You're new to Scoop, aren't you?

[Silkk the Shaka]

I'd be glad to respond. I'll take your comments one at a time:

1. Was I okay? Yes. It's a basketball game. It's not life or death. Did I want Marquette to win? Absolutely. Was I disappointed when they lost? Yes.
2. Creighton is a "crap team" No, they aren't. They are #49 NET, #49 T-Rank, #48 Kenpom, #42 BPI, #59 SOR, #56 RPI, #42 KPI, #43 Sagarin. That's pretty good by every objective measure I can find.
3. Was it pathetic and disgusting? It was bad. It was sloppy. Calling a 6-point loss to the ~50th best team in the country "pathetic" and "disgusting" is silly.
4. Should it have NEVER happened? Don't be ridiculous. Upsets happen. The better team doesn't always win, even at home. If the better team won every game, then the best team would be undefeated every year. How often has that happened (including NCAA Tournament championship)? It's happened 7 times, last in 1976. Apparently every team since then has lost a game that they "NEVER" should have lost.

The world is not ending. The rest of the season isn't cancelled. If you compare the results this season (23-6 / 12-4, tied for 1st in BE in loss column, expected 3-6 seed in NCAA tournament) to the expectations, this season is still a success. One loss doesn't wipe all that away.

Not to mention, with Zegaraowski in the lineup they probably would have won 2/3 or 3/3 of the @Nova @SH @X stretch, which would have them firmly in the tourney. They've run into some bad breaks (exhibit A our absurd come from behind win at their place). They're a good squad, I wouldn't count them out of the dance even with all those bad breaks. I think they're the Mid Tier Team Most Likely To Make A Run in the BEast Tourney (Xavier a close second in my mind).

[4everwarriors]

Rankin's know longer matta, hey?