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Author Topic: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/24/2020  (Read 364568 times)

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2400 on: February 25, 2019, 11:32:49 AM »
The biggest joke of all is that Kansas only dropped to 15. They got crushed by 30 and only dropped 3 spots.

I think its very clear the blue bloods get the benefit of the doubt.  The KUs, can have very poor  losses that have little to no effect while the “others” either struggle to ascend or plummet with a single loss.
  KU is a classic in this regard.  Were initially very high, then lost their lottery pick in Azibuke and still did well behind the out of this world showing of Vick.  MU fans as well as any know how important to that team those two were.  Then they lose Vick and have gone 5-5 in their last 10 games including losing to WVU.  What other team in the country loses its two best players , goes 5-5 in its last 10 and is 15th in the country? Unreal
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2401 on: February 25, 2019, 11:34:14 AM »
Jesse Newell dropped us from 20 to 21.  Not impressed by our wins I guess.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jesse-newell

He also has Nova one ahead of us despite us having a higher KenPom ranking... and beating Nova... and not losing 4 of 5.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2402 on: February 25, 2019, 11:35:29 AM »
Jesse Newell dropped us from 20 to 21.  Not impressed by our wins I guess.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jesse-newell

That guy is an imbecile

Edit: that's his poll from last week, so not sure where he put us this week. I stand by my statement.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2019, 11:38:02 AM by KampusFoods »

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2403 on: February 25, 2019, 11:36:10 AM »
Jesse Newell dropped us from 20 to 21.  Not impressed by our wins I guess.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jesse-newell

I BELIEVE that is his week 16 bracket still. Also he has Nova at 20 which is just not possible
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2404 on: February 25, 2019, 11:38:37 AM »
I BELIEVE that is his week 16 bracket still. Also he has Nova at 20 which is just not possible

Ooooo maybe.  It says week 17 but has our week 16 record. 

AP really needs a quicker site update.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2405 on: February 25, 2019, 11:45:14 AM »
Ooooo maybe.  It says week 17 but has our week 16 record. 

AP really needs a quicker site update.

It says released Feb 17th.

Here is his current ballot.

https://kenpom.com/

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2406 on: February 25, 2019, 11:49:08 AM »
In regards to the Kansas piece, could u imagine what would happen to MU if we lost Markus and Sam n went 5-5 with some home losses and losing to the last place team in the conference?  Yet they are lock status n 15th in the country.  Unreal.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2407 on: February 25, 2019, 11:50:43 AM »
I think its very clear the blue bloods get the benefit of the doubt.  The KUs, can have very poor  losses that have little to no effect while the “others” either struggle to ascend or plummet with a single loss.
  KU is a classic in this regard.  Were initially very high, then lost their lottery pick in Azibuke and still did well behind the out of this world showing of Vick.  MU fans as well as any know how important to that team those two were.  Then they lose Vick and have gone 5-5 in their last 10 games including losing to WVU.  What other team in the country loses its two best players , goes 5-5 in its last 10 and is 15th in the country? Unreal

They also earned themselves a buffer by having more Q1 wins than any team not named Michigan State. Look at the teams ranked lower than them, who among them have better resumes than Kansas? A few might have slightly better resumes but not by much.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2408 on: February 25, 2019, 11:53:45 AM »
It says released Feb 17th.

Here is his current ballot.

https://kenpom.com/

They should really revoke his voting rights. If they want to add a kenpom vote in there then fine, but for him to do that every week is lame.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2409 on: February 25, 2019, 11:57:30 AM »
They also earned themselves a buffer by having more Q1 wins than any team not named Michigan State. Look at the teams ranked lower than them, who among them have better resumes than Kansas? A few might have slightly better resumes but not by much.

Granted but are we talking ncaa resumes or current ranking?  Cuz look at the box scores, the team that beat all those teams pre-con doesnt exist anymore.  And if we are talking ncaa doesnt the kenyon martin effect come into play here?
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2410 on: February 25, 2019, 12:07:45 PM »
Granted but are we talking ncaa resumes or current ranking?  Cuz look at the box scores, the team that beat all those teams pre-con doesnt exist anymore.  And if we are talking ncaa doesnt the kenyon martin effect come into play here?

I don't think there's a real standard for how people vote. Some look at resume, some eye test, some use advanced metrics, and some have weird rules like "I won't rank you until you win a road game" or "I always give the 25th spot to a low major".
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2411 on: February 25, 2019, 12:08:35 PM »
Kansas' 5-5 stretch started on January 19th, when they were 7th in the country and had 1,188 points in the poll.  Today they only dropped to 15th, but they also only have 580 points.  You have to look at both the position and the number of points, I think dropping over 600 points is appropriate considering their struggles.  They are almost closer to being un-ranked than being top 10, 488 points above #25 Washington, 439 points behind #10 MU.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2412 on: February 25, 2019, 12:22:12 PM »
Jesse Newell was on Ken Pomeroy's podcast a few weeks ago.  At that time, he explained that his methodology was to rank teams how he thought Vegas would rank them. 

He looks at a number of rankings including KenPom, T-Rank, Sagarin, TeamRankings, etc., takes an average of those, and then moves them around.  He admitted that he had Marquette lower than others and moved us up from the straight average.  Newell also admitted there's no way to mathematically measure having someone like Howard that can take over a game.

He's had "extreme" ballots all year, but if you look back his Weeks 5-8 ballots are probably the most spot on of any of the writers.  He was one that never ranked Arizona State even after they beat Kansas and he mentioned on that podcast that he had gotten a lot of flack from ASU fans.

I think we'll be moving up at least a few spots on his ballot this week.  A road win where we were supposed to win by 6 and won by 18 looks really good in all the tempo-free efficiency rankings.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2413 on: February 25, 2019, 12:54:37 PM »
213 votes out of 6th place. 199 votes ahead of 14th place, but a healthy 439 vote cushion between us and 15th.

213 votes can be made up with 2 wins for us and 1 loss for the teams in front of us.

Go Indiana, ECU, UCF, Nebraska, Maryland, Ole Miss, and Kentucky, my 2nd favorite teams this week! Rankings are dumb, but I'm with Boxer, since I attended Marquette I have never seen Marquette break the #8 barrier. I'd like to see us get there.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2414 on: February 25, 2019, 01:22:06 PM »
Jesse Newell was on Ken Pomeroy's podcast a few weeks ago.  At that time, he explained that his methodology was to rank teams how he thought Vegas would rank them. 

He looks at a number of rankings including KenPom, T-Rank, Sagarin, TeamRankings, etc., takes an average of those, and then moves them around.  He admitted that he had Marquette lower than others and moved us up from the straight average.  Newell also admitted there's no way to mathematically measure having someone like Howard that can take over a game.

He's had "extreme" ballots all year, but if you look back his Weeks 5-8 ballots are probably the most spot on of any of the writers.  He was one that never ranked Arizona State even after they beat Kansas and he mentioned on that podcast that he had gotten a lot of flack from ASU fans.

I think we'll be moving up at least a few spots on his ballot this week.  A road win where we were supposed to win by 6 and won by 18 looks really good in all the tempo-free efficiency rankings.

I would honestly rather have more people like him that take the poll serious and give it some actual thought even if it doesn't tend to work in our favor at the moment.

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« Reply #2415 on: February 25, 2019, 01:25:01 PM »
I would honestly rather have more people like him that take the poll serious and give it some actual thought even if it doesn't tend to work in our favor at the moment.

He relies too blindly on numbers though, I believe at one point he had 3 teams we had beaten ahead of us. That's ridiculous and at a certain point you need to look up from the math equation and say "something isn't adding up here"
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/25/19
« Reply #2416 on: February 25, 2019, 01:48:50 PM »
I mean, OK, maybe he's secretly a serial killer who's pulled the wool over our eyes with his good deeds and smooth jumper - Pakuni (on Markus Howard)

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2417 on: March 03, 2019, 07:34:03 AM »
Do we hold our spot with a win today?  Teams behind us had a good week.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2418 on: March 03, 2019, 07:46:29 AM »
If we win today we are 12 tomorrow.

Lose today we are 15.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2419 on: March 03, 2019, 07:51:29 AM »
Do we hold our spot with a win today?  Teams behind us had a good week.

but but but, mich st.(6 losses) houston and kentucky(5 losses) all lost
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2420 on: March 03, 2019, 09:08:26 AM »
If we win today we are 12 tomorrow.

Lose today we are 15.

This seems accurate. Could see 11 happening depending on Michigan today.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2421 on: March 03, 2019, 09:19:58 AM »
If we win today we are 12 tomorrow.

Lose today we are 15.

Agree with 12. 15 could be wear we drop to but I could see 16, Florida State won both their games this week.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2422 on: March 03, 2019, 05:27:43 PM »
I think I'm going with 15 as my official guess. Could see as high as 14 or as low as 16. I think Texas Tech, LSU, Purude, and Kansas all jump us for sure. The two I'm not sure about are Florida State and Nevada. Nevada beat a nobody UNLV squad and lost on the road to Utah State. I think they will make up votes on us for sure but I think some voters have been waiting to punish them. Florida State looked meh at home against an average NC State team and a bad Notre Dame team. Definitely going to get closer to us in votes, but enough to make up the 518 vote gap?
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2423 on: March 03, 2019, 05:35:30 PM »
16.

Beat SH (maybe) and Georgetown, along with two wins in BE tournament and back to the 12 to 13 range before NCAAs.

The two home losses to SJU and CU will be the losses that hurt their overall ranking and seeding. 

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 3/4/19
« Reply #2424 on: March 03, 2019, 05:38:34 PM »
15/16. Didnt think they would drop with a W today. 2 L's in a week hurt.