So....What are we ranked on Monday - 1/6/2025?

[#UnleashSean]

Wojo is the first coach since Dukiet to not hang a banner at The Al. 

He did not:

Win conference
Win conference tourney
Make a S16

All of the above get you a banner at The Al.  Those should be minimum expectations of your tenure.  He failed.

Didn't even win the Alaskan shootout.

[Uncle Rico]

Again, after listening to people say "respect the process". Those of us who called out wojo in years 1,2, and 3 deserve one year to gloat.

Enjoy your victory. 

[#UnleashSean]

The raw results were ok'ish at times and Wojo really did the absolute bare minimum not to be fired earlier (with some very lucky breaks in year 3 to sneak into the tournament...playing Creighton and Xavier without their top players, Nova shooting 6 of 34 wide open threes, etc). Wojo was also saved by the bell in 2020 and if the season was just a game or two longer, we were going to be left out if there was a tournament.

This is the real history behind those two years that projos love to bring up. Year 3 was absolute luck sneaking into the tournament. Had nova played anywhere near their ceiling in that game Wojo would have never gone to that tournament.

People forget that Marquette was in a tailspin at the end of 2020. Projos love to pretend that something magical would have happened in March with Howard. However Marquette was far from being a lock(though I do think they would have been selected) and were talks of them being left out. Covid gave wojo another year.

[4everwarriors]

T-Cubed hung 'nough banners four future MU coaches goin' forward ad nauseum, aina?

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[wadesworld]

This is the real history behind those two years that projos love to bring up. Year 3 was absolute luck sneaking into the tournament. Had nova played anywhere near their ceiling in that game Wojo would have never gone to that tournament.

People forget that Marquette was in a tailspin at the end of 2020. Projos love to pretend that something magical would have happened in March with Howard. However Marquette was far from being a lock(though I do think they would have been selected) and were talks of them being left out. Covid gave wojo another year.

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2020.html

After every game that contributes to NCAA Tournament selection had been played in 2020, Marquette was in 97/97 projected brackets (100%) with an average seed of 8.87. They were an absolute, stone cold lock and there was literally no talk of them missing the Tournament (given that 0 brackets projected them to miss the Tournament).

But you get to gloat so don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[5DollarPitcher]

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2020.html

After every game that contributes to NCAA Tournament selection had been played in 2020, Marquette was in 97/97 projected brackets (100%) with an average seed of 8.87. They were an absolute, stone cold lock and there was literally no talk of them missing the Tournament (given that 0 brackets projected them to miss the Tournament).

But you get to gloat so don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Shaka is about to get a better seed than Wojo ever got in his first year (that most Projos guaranteed was going to be a painful rebuilding year)!

Oh we are allowed to gloat buddy

[wadesworld]

Shaka is about to get a better seed than Wojo ever got in his first year (that most Projos guaranteed was going to be a painful rebuilding year)!

Oh we are allowed to gloat buddy

So we rewrite history because of it!

Makes sense.

[#UnleashSean]

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2020.html

After every game that contributes to NCAA Tournament selection had been played in 2020, Marquette was in 97/97 projected brackets (100%) with an average seed of 8.87. They were an absolute, stone cold lock and there was literally no talk of them missing the Tournament (given that 0 brackets projected them to miss the Tournament).

But you get to gloat so don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

But can we plug and play an opening round lose to st johns? As well as mid majors getting upset and getting 2/3 teams into the tournament? Marquette could easily have been bumped.

[wadesworld]

But can we plug and play an opening round lose to st johns? As well as mid majors getting upset and getting 2/3 teams into the tournament? Marquette could easily have been bumped.

We would've had to fall from a 9 seed (conservatively) to below an 11 seed in the S curve off of a bunch of games that have proven to mean no more than a single sample size in a 30+ game sample. We weren't a play in team or a last 4 bye team. We were not anywhere close to being one loss to a high major away from being out of the tournament.

[Uncle Rico]

Marquette should probably get a bump in the rankings next week

[#UnleashSean]

We would've had to fall from a 9 seed (conservatively) to below an 11 seed in the S curve off of a bunch of games that have proven to mean no more than a single sample size in a 30+ game sample. We weren't a play in team or a last 4 bye team. We were not anywhere close to being one loss to a high major away from being out of the tournament.

As I've stated, I believe marquette gets in. But they were not a lock. There were numerous possibilities (while not likely) that could have dropped marquette out of the tournament.

[ATL MU Warrior]

For me, the worst part about Wojo's tenure by far was the continuous growth of apathy among the fan base as the years went by.

The raw results were ok'ish at times and Wojo really did the absolute bare minimum not to be fired earlier (with some very lucky breaks in year 3 to sneak into the tournament...playing Creighton and Xavier without their top players, Nova shooting 6 of 34 wide open threes, etc). Wojo was also saved by the bell in 2020 and if the season was just a game or two longer, we were going to be left out if there was a tournament.

How many "lucky breaks" has this year's team had?  By my count we have played three or four teams who were missing their best player. Does that make this year's results lucky as well? 

[wadesworld]

As I've stated, I believe marquette gets in. But they were not a lock. There were numerous possibilities (while not likely) that could have dropped marquette out of the tournament.

Let's pretend that every multi bid league had a team that wasn't going to get in without the AQ win their conference tournament that year. Lunardi has 9 multi bid leagues this year. Let's pretend there were 10 in 2020, and all 10 had bid stealers. That still doesn't knock Marquette out of the Tournament. They were an absolute lock.

[PGsHeroes32]

As I've stated, I believe marquette gets in. But they were not a lock. There were numerous possibilities (while not likely) that could have dropped marquette out of the tournament.

We were definitely a lock.

Was it another embarrassing collapse? Yes.

But MU was going to dance that season regardless of anything that happened championship week. Could have lost by 175 pts to SHU(I believe that was our oppenent) and had every bid stealer win.

[JakeBarnes]

Wojo is the first coach since Dukiet to not hang a banner at The Al. 

He did not:

Win conference
Win conference tourney
Make a S16

All of the above get you a banner at The Al.  Those should be minimum expectations of your tenure.  He failed.

You also get to hang a banner if you beat Duke in the Alaskan Shootout

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This is fascinating. I don't think I've ever read a thread on Scoop analyzing Wojo's tenure at MU.

[PointWarrior]

Would 4ever changing his refrain from "Crean sucks" to "Wojo sucks" help the cause?

This is fascinating. I don't think I've ever read a thread on Scoop analyzing Wojo's tenure at MU.

[PointWarrior]

What's dumber - posts on a message board telling posters to "focus on one game at a time" or debating NCAA third round matchups in January?

Gang, a game at a time.

Let's focus on putting the Husky down. Crappie little dog — had enough of him this year.

Go one from there after Wednesday.

[Uncle Rico]

What's dumber - posts on a message board telling posters to "focus on one game at a time" or debating NCAA third round matchups in January?

Well, message boards are rarely sensible

[MU82]

Marquette should probably get a bump in the rankings next week

I'm thinking 18-20, Unk.

[4everwarriors]

Would 4ever changing his refrain from "Crean sucks" to "Wojo sucks" help the cause?

Woj was just incompetent. Crean's a fraud and a phony, hey?

[JakeBarnes]

I'm thinking 18-20, Unk.

Agreed. 19 feels like the spot.

[RushmoreAcademy]

I'll say 20.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Yea Wojo had a bad run, but nothing in my time as a Marquette basketball fan was more disappointing than the 2013-14 season when Buzz completely quit on that team.

The back to back OT losses to Providence and St. John's, followed by pulling a red hot Deonte Burton against X in the Big East tourney sucked so much.