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Quote from: tower912 on July 08, 2023, 08:02:36 AM
The worst thing a Lion fan can have is hope.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2023, 10:11:40 AM
The Washington Football Team might change its name again.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/21/washington-commanders-magic-johnson-confirms-team-could-change-name

Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2023, 11:08:12 AM
Warriors would be good

Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2023, 02:29:35 PM
The Lions secondary is doomed.

Of.course, you can say that every year.

Same old Lions until they win a playoff game.

Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2023, 04:03:04 PM
That is good news.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 27, 2023, 03:14:29 PM
Burrow's achilles gowne?

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 27, 2023, 03:19:45 PM
Calf? It's gonna be a real roller coaster season for the Bengals

https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb (https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb)

Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2023, 08:52:48 AM
Sean Payton publicly trashes his predecessor Nathaniel Hackett: "It might have been one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. That's how bad it was."

Payton's Broncos meet the Jets, where Hackett is now Aaron Rodgers' OC, in Week 5.

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 29, 2023, 02:17:57 PM
Guys, I don't know if we have enough information yet but I'm starting to think Sean Payton might be a real pretty boy.

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 29, 2023, 02:17:57 PM
Guys, I don't know if we have enough information yet but I'm starting to think Sean Payton might be a real pretty boy.

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 30, 2023, 08:31:03 AM
So harsh criticism of a coach and then the organization he went to is shameful now?  Wtf.

I don't know how you dispute Hackett may have been one of the worst head coaches in league history, but even if that were a wild exaggeration, he can call out what he feels was a rotten job if he wants. 

And what, there'll be no cold water thrown on Jets expectations because people are being suckered that Aaron Rodgers is not one of the biggest postseason fraud's ever (save for 2010-11)

This is supposedly a big boy league. What a humongous nothing burger of controversy this is, except that it's a refreshing change from the coach speak blather being puked out again by the other 31 in charge.

Quote from: Herman Cain on August 03, 2023, 05:55:37 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lions-sell-out-season-tickets-for-first-time-in-ford-fields-21-year-history/amp/

Quote from: tower912 on August 08, 2023, 07:22:47 AM
Lions sign Bridgewater.  They must be serious.

Quote from: cheebs09 on August 14, 2023, 09:16:14 PM
Man, this is a wild story. I knew he wasn't thrilled with his portrayal in the movie, but this is crazy. Michael Oher wasn't actually adopted, but rather they had him sign conservatorship documents to control his finances. Hopefully Oher can recoup some of the money.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds

Quote from: cheebs09 on August 14, 2023, 09:16:14 PM
Man, this is a wild story. I knew he wasn't thrilled with his portrayal in the movie, but this is crazy. Michael Oher wasn't actually adopted, but rather they had him sign conservatorship documents to control his finances. Hopefully Oher can recoup some of the money.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds

Quote from: Herman Cain on August 15, 2023, 11:18:45 AM
Putting  the money aside, which is outrageous . What that family did to Michael was cold. He has every right to be hurt and angry.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 17, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
Definitely on a wait and see with this one.

Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2023, 12:33:48 PM
This whole story is bizarre.  The family is denying these allegations and are saying he knew about the conservatorship a long time ago.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 17, 2023, 03:38:17 PM
NBC News story showed his reference to the conservatorship in his autobiography. Also producers claim the family and Oher received a total of a couple hundred thousand dollars. IF true, then there is not a lot of money to squabble over.

Sad situation whoever is in the wrong.

Even sadder is the cancel cops are demanding Sandra Bullock return her Oscar.  ::)

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 19, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
I'm surprised Bagent went undrafted, his poise, command in the pocket, and accuracy are impressive. I don't think there's any way the Bears expose him to the practice squad. I'm not building a wing in Canton for him, but he passes the eye test.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 19, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
I have to agree.  Gotta assume it's due to no real historical evidence of successful DII QBs in the NFL?

That being said he looked really good.  I also dont expect him to be starting caliber NFL QB but he's intriguing, especially given his story.  Takes over the reins and is very successful at WV HS football power, really good grades.  Puts up huge numbers but has no FBS offers.  Goes to a local D2, again, puts up MASSIVE stats.  Regardless of the level, 2040 college attempts and less than 50 INTs is wild.  His 2021 year was 580 attempts, 5000 yards, 53 TDs and only 13 INTs, sheesh.  Then to come in and go 9/10 in your first NFL action, says something about his accuracy and confidence.

I think he's probably the Bears #2 at this point, though Peterman likely is officially on the depth chart

Quote from: withoutbias on August 19, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
I love Bears preseason hype.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 20, 2023, 12:03:30 AM
God bless ya, wouldn't be an NFL season without your hot takes here.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 20, 2023, 12:03:30 AM
God bless ya, wouldn't be an NFL season without your hot takes here.

Quote from: withoutbias on August 20, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their "dude," were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.

Good stuff meat.

Quote from: withoutbias on August 20, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their "dude," were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.

Good stuff meat.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 19, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
I have to agree.  Gotta assume it's due to no real historical evidence of successful DII QBs in the NFL?

That being said he looked really good.  I also dont expect him to be starting caliber NFL QB but he's intriguing, especially given his story.  Takes over the reins and is very successful at WV HS football power, really good grades.  Puts up huge numbers but has no FBS offers.  Goes to a local D2, again, puts up MASSIVE stats.  Regardless of the level, 2040 college attempts and less than 50 INTs is wild.  His 2021 year was 580 attempts, 5000 yards, 53 TDs and only 13 INTs, sheesh.  Then to come in and go 9/10 in your first NFL action, says something about his accuracy and confidence.

I think he's probably the Bears #2 at this point, though Peterman likely is officially on the depth chart

Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 21, 2023, 01:48:02 AM
Terry Bradshaw, Dan Pastorini, and Jim Zorn are a few that come to mind.  I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. 

Quote from: withoutbias on August 20, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their "dude," were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.

Good stuff meat.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 21, 2023, 03:23:42 AM
Neil Lomax.

The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 21, 2023, 10:18:42 AM
So instead of any defense of your birdbrained takes, you just prove his point by mocking other people.  Not to mention Bagent has been talked about by football people all over the internet the last few days the same way Dish did, not some reactionary hot take by a meatball homer.

And again, your babbling isn't a take, its you being a douche without any logical standing for your opinions based on lord knows what.

Yea and guys like Lomax and Bradshaw were FCS QBs in modern terms, more like Joe Flacco or Trey Lance than a true DII these days.  Not only was Bradshaw the first pick overall, looking at his schedule in college, he was playing teams like Miss St, Southern Miss, NMSU, and Bama, in addition to FCS opponents.

Abilene Christian University was last DII I can recall regularly sending guys to the NFL (but not QBs) but they also moved to FCS like other strong former DII programs.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 21, 2023, 03:23:42 AM
Neil Lomax.

The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.

Quote from: withoutbias on August 21, 2023, 10:26:32 AM
Uh huh.  No logical standing for my opinion, because there are so many former D2 QBs that went undrafted that are immediately the backup QB of their team in the NFL week 1 of their rookie year.  Every bit of information we have goes directly against my thought that we should pump the breaks on calling this guy a productive NFL player based on a single preseason performance.

Not to mention, he's a Bears quarterback.  I forgot they've had so many awesome quarterbacks in their history.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 21, 2023, 11:04:42 AM
Literally nobody called him a productive NFL player.  All that was spoken of was surprising that he went undrafted and he looks like an unexpectedly intriguing prospect for an undrafted DII player.  Dish even further said he could easily be a 1 hit wonder.  PJ Walker and Peterman are known commodities who stink, so slotting someone above them on a depth chart for the remainder of preseason isn't even remarkable.

You extrapolated a thought into a false premise that nobody was arguing to try and smugly dunk on people...and instead airballed the layup.

Quote from: withoutbias on August 21, 2023, 11:09:57 AM
If you ask me, by definition if you're a player on the 53 man roster every week for a full season you're a productive NFL player.  And I'd assume the Bears will keep more than 1 QB on their 53 man roster, so if this undrafted rookie FA is QB2 for the Bears, he'll be on the 53 man every week.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2023, 01:27:56 PM
"If you ask me". LOL. Nobody has. Ever. But by all means continue to share your "insights" on any subject. Everyone can use a good laugh.

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 25, 2023, 02:30:33 PM
Found this excellent ..

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1611emq/lf/

Quote from: jesmu84 on August 27, 2023, 05:46:49 PM
Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

Quote from: jesmu84 on August 27, 2023, 05:46:49 PM
Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 27, 2023, 10:06:50 PM
Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 27, 2023, 10:06:50 PM
Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2023, 06:58:06 AM
Navy was bad. Trubisky was bad. Bears quarterback history is awful.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 28, 2023, 09:38:03 AM
That's kinda the point to the question in the thread, Sully. As bad as that trade and pick were considering the alternatives, he wasn't a flop like Lance. In fact, as I stated, he incredibly is the Bears career leader in some key QB stats. Sid Luckman wasn't all that.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2023, 09:48:57 AM
Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let's be real here.

Quote from: jesmu84 on August 27, 2023, 05:46:49 PM
Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2023, 09:48:57 AM
Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let's be real here.

Quote from: Pakuni on August 28, 2023, 11:21:18 AM
In a vacuum, Lance was a far worse pick than Mitchell.
If you factor in opportunity cost, i.e. the quarterbacks the Bears had available to them instead, things even out a bit.

Quote from: Pakuni on August 28, 2023, 01:08:23 PM
Life comes at you fast in the NFL.

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/1696215073520263480?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Quote from: JWags85 on August 28, 2023, 12:33:42 PM
Complete flop isn't entirely fair.  Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick?  Absolutely.  But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse.  With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter.  Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops.  Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2023, 01:55:54 PM
I will give you Haskins and Rosen. But Darnold and Trubisky have pretty similar stats.

Furthermore I would suggest that "incredibly dissapointing for a top 3 pick" pretty much means a flop.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 28, 2023, 12:33:42 PM
Complete flop isn't entirely fair.  Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick?  Absolutely.  But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse.  With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter.  Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops.  Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.

Yea, i think the number of firsts the Niners gave up for Lance still sort of pushes it that way.  Mahomes obviously was a miss for the Bears, but tons of people missed on him, I don't know if it was even in play at the time.  And well, Watson is a tricky assessment...

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 30, 2023, 11:04:48 AM
Interesting that the Packers had talks on acquiring Jonathan Taylor.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 30, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
'Cuz they finally figured out #10 can't throw worth a chit, hey?

Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2023, 03:40:40 PM
Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?

Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 30, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 30, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.

The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."

Quote from: withoutbias on August 30, 2023, 08:09:47 PM
Didn't you just ask about his outlook? If the only correct opinion is to not have one until these things called "games" occur, why even ask about it?

Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2023, 03:40:40 PM
Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?

Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 30, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.

The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 31, 2023, 09:38:33 AM
Nads, you've watched lottsa football, as have I. Obviously, as a distinguished writer of sports your expertise in this matta is far greater than mine. However, my opinion remains that #10 is no better than pedestrian, hey?

Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 31, 2023, 11:33:39 AM
Did anyone, other than a hysterical blowhard after an early INT actually say that about Rodgers?  He was a top 10 finalist for the Heisman, would have been the best QB in any conference not named the Pac 10 (which had the Heisman Winner on the nation's best team), and was widely discussed as a potential #1 pick.

Quote from: withoutbias on August 31, 2023, 03:15:15 PM
Bigger question is do Bears fans start discussing paths to the Playoffs if they start 2-1 like they did last year?  And then, with the losses piling up, claim they wanted the Bears to lose as many games as possible down the stretch of the season?

Packers 7-10.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 31, 2023, 03:12:25 PM
Is it season record projection time yet?

I'll start; Bears 6-11.  100% win increase!

Still too young across the board to move into the top half of the league. Not sold on Fields and, as of today, I don't think the idea of the Bears packaging picks to move up to get a top 3 pick next year is too crazy.

Quote from: JWags85 on August 31, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
No way for me.  Regardless of Fields, it's not like this team is just a QB away from contending.  Blowing a bunch of picks in a so so QB draft when there are so many other spots of need isn't something I'm interested in right now

Quote from: JWags85 on August 31, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
No way for me.  Regardless of Fields, it's not like this team is just a QB away from contending.  Blowing a bunch of picks in a so so QB draft when there are so many other spots of need isn't something I'm interested in right now

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 05, 2023, 09:35:31 AM
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/travis-kelce-as-sick-as-a-new-banner-sounds-im-over-last-year

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 07, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
Nice catch by MVS

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 07, 2023, 08:26:20 PM
Bears are winning the superbowl

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2023, 09:48:21 PM
Must be nice that your RT gets to false start every play.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 07, 2023, 10:23:56 PM
Some really weird fourth down decisions on both sides tonight.

Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:46:58 PM
Agree, although I loved Campbell's decision to go on 4th-and-2 with about 3 minutes left. You punt the ball to Mahomes with a 1-point lead and that much time on the clock, you're asking for trouble. Instead, you try to win the game by making 2 yards.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 07, 2023, 10:54:21 PM
Chefs still had three timeouts and the two-minute warning, so a first down doesn't win the game there.
I don't think the risk-reward was worth it. Not converting basically put the Chefs within 20 yards of a GW field goal. Punt and make them go another 40.
Fortunately for the Lions, Mahomes" receivers don't like catching the ball.

Reid's decision to go on 4th and 20+ was even worse, given that they still had three timeouts.

Quote from: tower912 on September 08, 2023, 05:42:39 AM
The gimmick play on third and 1when they had been moving the ball changed the game.   Reid is an offensive genius, but that was the time to trust the offensive line.
But, hey, thanks!    A nice win.

Quote from: swoopem on September 08, 2023, 07:17:44 AM
That had Matt Nagy written all over it. He loves sweep plays that don't work

Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC?  Goff?  Dak?  Geno?  Daniel Jones?  Cousins?  Bagent?  (Sorry, had to)

And who's the third best team?  Cowboys?  Giants?  Lions?

Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.

Quote from: forgetful on September 08, 2023, 03:14:05 PM
And who is the 5th best WR?...I'm not sure the jury is clear on who the best NFC QB is, or who are the top 2 teams, nonetheless other who is 3rd etc.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC?  Goff?  Dak?  Geno?  Daniel Jones?  Cousins?  Bagent?  (Sorry, had to)

And who's the third best team?  Cowboys?  Giants?  Lions?

Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.

Quote from: tower912 on September 08, 2023, 03:19:17 PM
One game has been played.   None of those questions have a definitively right answer at the moment.

As far as AFC vs NFC, you may be right, but these things are cyclical.   Wait a couple of years.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2023, 10:27:09 PM
That game felt like if Nagy had Mahomes in Chicago.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
I think Hurts is pretty significantly better than anyone else.  And I think the Eagles are the best team with a decent gap between them and the 49ers.  I think the 9ers are definitely the second best, but with their QB play you never know.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2023, 09:48:21 PM
Must be nice that your RT gets to false start every play.

Quote from: tower912 on September 09, 2023, 10:30:53 AM
The Lions didn't complain because he was tipping plays.

Quote from: forgetful on September 08, 2023, 08:48:17 PM
I'm notoriously bad at predicting anything about NFL leaders, so my opinion is worth pretty much nothing. But I'm not as high on Hurts right now.

Also, I'm expecting the 49ers at the very least (and maybe Philly) to take serious steps backwards. I'm not sold on the 49ers as the 2nd best team at all. I'd put Philly up there though.

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 10, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
Colts Anthony Richardson an exciting player . Question is can his body withstand the beatings from all the runs over the course of a season.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 10, 2023, 03:14:26 PM
not a fan of the Cilts head coach. Kick the field goal, then attempt the onside kick

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 10, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
Anthony Just took a vicious hit, trying to run it in,  and got knocked out of game. Super first game for him.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
Fields is a nice running back.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2023, 05:18:14 PM
No idea if any of these bears players are any good.

But these bears coaches are not.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2023, 05:18:14 PM
No idea if any of these bears players are any good.

But these bears coaches are not.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2023, 05:58:04 PM
First time Fields has a clean pocket all day and just a brutal decision.  That's a terrible throw

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2023, 06:07:23 PM
Bears trade for 2 WR.

Bears defensive HC gets multiple big-money defensive FA and spends several 2-5 picks on defense.

And this is the result?

Fire this coaching staff into the sun.

Hard to tell if Fields is a QB. Do they trust him to do anything more than hand off up the middle or throw a WR screen until the game is out of hand?

Down 2 scores in the 4th and they called a QB run up the middle.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 10, 2023, 06:10:45 PM
Fields isn't a quarterback. Sorry but he is making the same exact mistakes he has been for the past three years. At least today Love looks way better.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2023, 06:49:42 PM
The Bears GM inherited Fields. No guarantees Fields will be back. Fields has to become a top tier QB or he gawn.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:52:47 PM
And what exactly are the chances he becomes a top tier QB?  10%?

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:38:31 PM
Here's the list of serviceable QB's the Chicago Bears have had in their entire history:

Sid Luckman
Jim McMahon. 

Think about that for a moment.  And what purpose does Getsy serve?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2023, 06:57:20 PM
Sounds about right. I thought 50% before the season.

The Bears had no expectation of a winning season so they have the luxury to let him prove it or not.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2023, 07:08:33 PM
Thus far, they have not allowed him to prove it. Which is a dumb decision

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:56:03 PM
The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 10, 2023, 07:18:10 PM
I don't know what you mean "not allowed him to prove it." Are people thinking he is being let down by limiting the playbook or something?

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2023, 07:46:56 PM
I guess I see an overwhelming number of screen passes called. So, my assumption, is the staff isn't calling plays for him to throw the ball downfield

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
They can't protect him to go deep often

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 10, 2023, 07:50:05 PM

And I haven't seen much from him when he does. A lot of mistakes like the Quay Walker interception.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2023, 07:03:08 PM
To be fair to Fields, the Bears defense was equally awful today. The head coach is supposed to be a defensive guru? Fields isn't the only one on the hot seat.

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 10, 2023, 07:01:14 PM
Muggsy:
I would add Billy Wade who led Bears to 63 NFL Championship. Was a two time All Pro

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/03/10/bill-wade-vanderbilt-football-nfl-chicago-bears/72526512/

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 08:00:50 PM
My bad Herman.  But boy is that franchise a disaster.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2023, 07:58:48 PM
Yup, that is also true.  They did nothing today to work DJ Moore open.  It's probably early to say that's a dead staff coaching on that side of the ball but they haven't been good

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:56:03 PM
The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:56:03 PM
The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2023, 08:47:38 PM
Fields was fine in the first half. Nothing earth shattering but made good throws and good decisions. His QB rating was like 115-120 when I looked just after half.  But the offensive game plan was anemic.  He started to force a lot in the second, which is stupid, and that interception was horrible.

I don't think the offensive game plan is purely what is holding Fields back, but it's certainly not putting him in a position to succeed.  The O Line is college level at best

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 06:38:31 PM
Here's the list of serviceable QB's the Chicago Bears have had in their entire history:
Sid Luckman
Jim McMahon. 

Think about that for a moment.  And what purpose does Getsy serve?

Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2023, 09:33:32 PM
Man, are the Giants this bad, or is Dallas that good?

Daniel Jones is making Fields look like a franchise player.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2023, 10:26:49 PM
Jay Cutler had his warts, but it's nuts to suggest he wasn't a serviceable NFL quarterback.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 09:05:59 AM
Talk on Chicago radio (maybe wishful thinking?) that Claypool may get cut. I didn't see the game but the assessment was he was unprofessional and embarrassing on the field. Can anyone give me color on his play, or lack there of?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 09:05:59 AM
Talk on Chicago radio (maybe wishful thinking?) that Claypool may get cut. I didn't see the game but the assessment was he was unprofessional and embarrassing on the field. Can anyone give me color on his play, or lack there of?

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Greg Olsen, the Fox analyst, twice criticized Claypool for being unwilling to block on quick-hitters to fellow receivers. Indeed, not only didn't Claypool block, he actually got in his teammates' way, and the GB defense blew up the plays.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 10:01:42 AM
Sound like the right guy to have on a young team. :o

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Greg Olsen, the Fox analyst, twice criticized Claypool for being unwilling to block on quick-hitters to fellow receivers. Indeed, not only didn't Claypool block, he actually got in his teammates' way, and the GB defense blew up the plays.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
https://twitter.com/NicholasMoreano/status/1701221995008938441?s=20

Quote from: wadesworld on September 11, 2023, 11:19:13 AM
Doesn't help that the Packers defense did not have to worry about a throw more than 5 yards down field.  Easy to defend bubble screens when that's all you have to worry about.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2023, 10:28:36 AM
Can you cut a guy less than a year after you essentially gave up a first-round pick for him?
I think you should, if you really believe he's that much of a detriment. If you're going to fail, fail fast. But not many NFL GMs have egos that would allow them to s quickly admit such a big mistake.

Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2023, 11:34:23 AM
The power of the NFL:

If there was a pressure point for a short-term end to The Walt Disney Company and Charter Communications dispute, it was tonight's high-profile "Monday Night Football" opener between the Buffalo Bills and New York Jets. That's a significant game on the sports calendar given the New York debut of Aaron Rodgers, featuring two Spectrum market teams.

Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2023, 12:10:11 PM
Yep, pressure to miss out on NFL got the deal done. Looks like more revenue for Disney/ESPN.

Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2023, 09:33:32 PM
Man, are the Giants this bad, or is Dallas that good?

Daniel Jones is making Fields look like a franchise player.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 11, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
Yeah, the Giants laid a large egg last night. It amazes that the QBs and RBs get the big buck when it should be all those guys on the OL.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 11, 2023, 02:28:25 PM
There are 2 diff OL who make more than Barkley...

And if you're talking in the league, OL make VASTLY more than RBs

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 11, 2023, 07:30:31 PM
I was ironically having a conversation with someone about the new turf at MetLife about five minutes before Rodgers injury.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 07:39:58 PM
Is Mike Greenberg on suicide watch?

Quote from: Sir Lawrence on September 11, 2023, 07:33:49 PM
What's with the turf?

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 07:42:11 PM
Why?

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 11, 2023, 07:56:27 PM
Rodgers needs to play 60% or 65% (I don't remember exactly) of snaps for the Packers pick from the Jets to become a 1st next year.

Quote from: Mutaman on September 10, 2023, 08:42:10 PM
is it any worse than New York?

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 07:42:11 PM
Why?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
He's a life long Jets fan. He was very excited for this season.

I like him and his show, so I know stupid stuff like that.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 07:39:58 PM
Is Mike Greenberg on suicide watch?

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 11, 2023, 08:21:23 PM
He's the idiot who suggested the Jets should go and get Bakhtiari since the Packers are supposedly in rebuild mode. As if the Packers were just going to hand him over to be good guys and help the Jets and Rodgers out of a rough situation.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2023, 08:42:44 PM
I get it. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I appreciate that he generally doesn't take himself or sports too seriously and he can communicate using the English language without mixing metaphors. (Jim Rome not knowing the difference between "literally" and "figuratively" is painful to listen to :()

Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2023, 08:44:33 PM
Is it literally painful, or figuratively painful?

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 11, 2023, 08:51:17 PM
I just get so tired of national media acting as though we're total hayseeds and can be easily fleeced into giving up our talent that others covet. Like there were rumors this summer of the Dodgers getting Burnes and Yelich for som asinine return.

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 09:00:47 PM
A little surprised McDermott didn't take that offensive pass interference penalty to make it 3rd-and-23 rather than ceding a 43-yard FG to the Jets.

Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2023, 08:13:15 PM
Not any more.

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 09:33:28 PM
For a great QB, Josh Allen sure makes some questionable decisions out there.

Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2023, 09:45:19 PM
I was thinking the same thing. I'd go beyond just questionable. Some of those were just flat out bad decisions. Reminded me a bit of some of Favre's old throws.

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 10:19:24 PM
ESPN's ref expert says the Jets got away with a tripping penalty on the winning return.

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2023, 10:47:46 PM
I'm no NFL rules expert, but the expert is an expert. But maybe he's wrong.

Doesn't matter anyway. It wasn't called, the Jets won, and the Bills didn't do anything to show they deserved to win.

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 11, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
I think one of the last blocks by the 25. The guy from the Jets dove in front and has he was coming through, swung his leg back I think

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 12, 2023, 06:35:46 PM
For any bears fans who want to rip their hair out:

https://youtu.be/FiiK21VzI_o?si=gtWwidUe-9VamTww

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 12, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
My favorite play is where the right guard cleanly and on purpose knocks the center off his block. That is the kind of play that makes you wonder if there is a fix in on the game.  >:(

Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 11:13:49 AM

Lucas Patrick was gonna block someone? On the other team?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2023, 08:49:01 AM
Looks like the Bear's Claypool will be a healthy scratch for the TB game. Precursor to being cut?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 14, 2023, 08:58:34 AM
I would guess they are trying to trade him.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2023, 09:33:46 AM
If they get a bag of used balls for him, Poles is the GM of the year.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 14, 2023, 09:44:40 AM
I can see someone giving up a fifth or sixth for the guy. But since Poles was the guy who gave up a second for him about ten months ago, I wouldn't give him any awards.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 14, 2023, 09:44:40 AM
I can see someone giving up a fifth or sixth for the guy. But since Poles was the guy who gave up a second for him about ten months ago, I wouldn't give him any awards.

Quote from: forgetful on September 14, 2023, 12:00:23 PM
Maybe a 6th. I was thinking the only thing they might get is a 7th, that can turn into a 6th with sufficient performances.

Right now the Bears have signaled they are not going to play him. Which eventually means he'll be likely cut. So the only reason to trade anything is because you want to claim him, before he is cut.

I don't see anyone giving a 5th, for the right to claim a player that has proven to two teams he has no desire to work hard, before he gets cut.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
It's a bold strategy committing 42 turnovers a game.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1702659441177358572?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Midwest nice

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 15, 2023, 09:48:24 AM
Man, it's sad the lengths people take their fandom. I'm sure Packers players get a lot of stuff based on just how much life in Wisconsin revolves around it.

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 17, 2023, 12:56:16 PM
Richardson two more rushing touchdowns for Colts.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 17, 2023, 01:06:24 PM
and a concussion.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 17, 2023, 12:43:14 PM
Bears moving easily with downfield passes out of shotgun/pistol.

So coaches promptly decide to start calling screen plays from under center

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 17, 2023, 12:56:16 PM
Richardson two more rushing touchdowns for Colts.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 17, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
I'll be shocked if Fields plays a full season, and him being a running QB has nothing to do with it.  Besides him regressing with feel in the pocket and holding the ball...he barely has a pocket and this OL is full of turnstiles.  That last sack was absolutely pathetic protection

Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 11:13:49 AM
Lucas Patrick was gonna block someone? On the other team?

Quote from: JWags85 on September 17, 2023, 02:58:12 PM
Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?

Quote from: JWags85 on September 17, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
I'll be shocked if Fields plays a full season, and him being a running QB has nothing to do with it.  Besides him regressing with feel in the pocket and holding the ball...he barely has a pocket and this OL is full of turnstiles.  That last sack was absolutely pathetic protection

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 17, 2023, 03:16:03 PM
Up 24-12 in the fourth vs Desmond Ridder should be a victory every time.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 17, 2023, 03:18:46 PM
Maybe. But you're without your left tackle, right tackle, WR1, and RB1. With a first year starting QB.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 03:19:47 PM
Sure reminded me of Rodgers losses in 2008.  Well enough to win and the defense craps the bed

Quote from: Herman Cain on September 17, 2023, 03:21:12 PM
Goff streak of no interceptions ends with pick 6

Quote from: wadesworld on September 17, 2023, 03:22:22 PM
Any team that throws the ball around the field against the Packers should fire their coach asap. A lot of first round picks used in the front seven to continue to not be able to stop the run.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 03:19:47 PM
Sure reminded me of Rodgers losses in 2008.  Well enough to win and the defense craps the bed

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 03:45:53 PM
Not just the defense though.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 17, 2023, 04:29:53 PM
Giants 6 quarters played, 0 points scored.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 17, 2023, 03:22:22 PM
Any team that throws the ball around the field against the Packers should fire their coach asap. A lot of first round picks used in the front seven to continue to not be able to stop the run.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 17, 2023, 02:58:12 PM
Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?

Also

Evergreen post. He's basically gently escorted Vea to Fields all game

Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2023, 04:57:07 PM
Patrick was a very close buddy of Rodgers and the team made zero effort to re-sign him. Bears can have all the Equinimious', Patrick's, Graham's, Tongan's, Dix's that they want. Those guys aren't gonna help them pass GB.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 17, 2023, 04:49:39 PM
The Bears have lost 12 straight.  Fields has a grand total of 1 road win in his career.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 05:10:38 PM
Jets can probably trade Cobb and Lazard to Chicago

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2023, 05:38:45 PM
Have the Bears moved to the favorites to land Caleb Williams?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2023, 05:38:45 PM
Have the Bears moved to the favorites to land Caleb Williams?

Quote from: forgetful on September 17, 2023, 06:25:43 PM
Dallas looks really good.

Wondering how they screw it up this year.

Maybe, this will finally be there year.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 17, 2023, 05:56:21 PM
Great result today?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 06:48:41 PM
That hail mary in the Broncos / Commanders game was something.

There was probably PI on the two point conversion...but whatever.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 17, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
We're heading in that direction!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 06:49:30 PM
The Payton-Wilson combo is going to end in flames. 

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 17, 2023, 06:08:57 PM
Wow, Nathaniel Hackett.  The emperor has no clothes since leaving Green Bay. But he's Rodgers boy, so he's got that going for him.  Which is nice.

Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2023, 07:00:30 PM
You think you could devise a scheme to win with Zack Wilson at QB?   ;)

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 17, 2023, 06:06:51 PM
His dad has indicated if they don't like who has the number one overall, Caleb may just be back at SC another season.

Quote from: wadesworld on September 17, 2023, 02:53:49 PM
I'm old enough to remember when Bears fans said they had the best QB in the division...while Aaron Rodgers was still in the NFC North.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 17, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
The Bears have lost 12 straight, and in each of those 12, they've given up 25 or more.

No other team in NFL history has accomplished this.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 17, 2023, 02:58:12 PM
Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?

Also

Evergreen post. He's basically gently escorted Vea to Fields all game

Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2023, 07:00:30 PM
You think you could devise a scheme to win with Zack Wilson at QB?   ;)

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 07:03:57 PM
I dunno, Rodgers thinks Wilson is good and look how good Rodgers has been at judging talent

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 17, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
The Bears have lost 12 straight, and in each of those 12, they've given up 25 or more.

No other team in NFL history has accomplished this.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 06:49:30 PM
The Payton-Wilson combo is going to end in flames.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2023, 10:29:12 PM
The Bears are so bad their effort today received a C-, not F, grade from CBS Sports. I guess it makes sense when they go onto say "The Bears might be the worst team in football." Not just the NFL, "in Football"!

Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2023, 10:41:59 PM
They'd wipe the floor with most HS teams.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2023, 10:19:18 AM
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1703749120752574501?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Interesting thoughts on the kick block last night

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 18, 2023, 10:22:18 AM
Goes into a long detail trying to say somwthing game changing happened. #94 missed his block. Pretty simple explanation

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
Could be, could also be a way to attack the kicking game.  94 misses his block because of the motion

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2023, 10:19:18 AM
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1703749120752574501?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Interesting thoughts on the kick block last night

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 18, 2023, 10:27:03 AM
Or because hes fat and out of shape, and decides to block the inside guy

Quote from: StillAWarrior on September 18, 2023, 08:10:17 PM
As a Browns fan, let me say, f**k!

Never a good sign when they won't even show us the replay.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 18, 2023, 08:25:47 PM
"There are differing numbers from different data sources on this, but per PFF, Justin Fields only has five designed runs through two weeks. This is especially notable because last year, he averaged only 3.5 designed runs per game in Weeks 1-6, when he averaged 15.6 fantasy points per game. But then the offense changed for the New England game, and mostly stuck from there, as he averaged 7.6 designed runs per game from Week 7 through Week 18. And yeah, during that stretch, his fantasy scoring exploded to 27.7 FPPG, but it wasn't just the fantasy scoring — that clearly added a dynamic to their offense which made them harder to defend and elevated everything. Fields was also throwing for more yards, and more TDs, and the Bears scoring almost 8 more points per game during that stretch, an increase of more than 50% on their 15.5 points over the first six weeks. So why, with the same offensive coordinator, are we back to the early 2022 stuff with no designed runs? That's rhetorical, obviously, because there's no logical explanation."

Quote from: withoutbias on September 18, 2023, 09:52:27 PM
Bears fans finally coming to realize what everyone else has seen the whole time has been something.

I'm not sure I can say Jordan Love is a good or bad quarterback yet. But I feel very confident in saying he's a better QB than Justin Fields. Fields could be a more valuable/better football player if they played him at RB, but he's not a good QB.

Quote from: withoutbias on September 18, 2023, 09:52:27 PM
Bears fans finally coming to realize what everyone else has seen the whole time has been something.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
I have never been sold on Fields but to claim that everybody not a Bear's fan  has known all along that he couldn't be an NFL QB is BS.

Your typical contribution.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
I have never been sold on Fields but to claim that everybody not a Bear's fan  has known all along that he couldn't be an NFL QB is BS.

Your typical contribution.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2023, 07:51:38 AM
The Bears failed Fields.  Getsy is a terrible OC and if they fire him and keep Fields, he'd be on his 3rd OC in 4 seasons.  That's just not a good recipe.  Add in a lack of talent around him and a terrible line, his chances of success revolved solely around him overcoming the obstacles.

Let's compare that to Joe Burrow who was also drafted by an organization with a less than stellar reputation.  He's had one coach, one OC and skilled players at RB and WR.  His line has been sketchy but they've made it work by having good people around him.  Plus his talent.

I don't think it's a surprise the best Bears QBs since '92 have probably been Erik Kramer and Jay Cutler, QB's that came from outside the organization

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 19, 2023, 08:59:36 AM
Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 19, 2023, 09:58:09 AM

Burrow came from a much more traditional pro offense, versus Fields who is the latest in a line of quarterbacks to disappoint coming out of the Urban Meyer / Ryan Day system at OSU. IOW, I think transferring to Ohio State was detrimental to Fields, while transferring away from Ohio State was beneficial to Burrow.

Quote from: jficke13 on September 19, 2023, 10:12:06 AM
FWIW when his initial set of starts made clear that they had effectively ordered him *not* to throw the ball and then his second season made it seem like they had only barely gained any confidence in a passing game with him, that sent up more red flags than the Chinese navy.

Did I *know* he was bad when he was a rookie? Of course not. But when he got more and more game action and kept looking like a run first, run second, and run third QB, I started to get real skeptical he was ever going to turn into the type of QB that's effective in the NFL.

On Sunday we had a few conversations about Fields that went something like "it's probably impossible to tell what of his current state is on him and what is on the Bears/Coaching. If he had landed on a better organization, had a better OL, had a stable coaching/OC situation, maybe sat his rookie year and worked on all of the stuff that goes into playing NFL-level QB rather than needing to run for his life, who knows..."

Regardless, there's enough of a book out on him now that if I'm the Bears I think long and hard about tanking, cleaning house on the front office and coaching, and starting fresh with Caleb Williams.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 19, 2023, 08:59:36 AM
Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 19, 2023, 10:45:36 AM
I don't think the national media has been speaking glowingly about Fields at all. In fact, most of the coverage I have seen since the the season started has been concerns over his lack of progress.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 19, 2023, 12:01:35 PM
How many times now has this organization "started over" only to hire a coach before GM or draft a QB before having a coach?

The structure/ownership is terrible and you'll never convince me the organization will have any success until the family is gone

Quote from: Jockey on September 19, 2023, 12:29:55 PM
I think this is the most important post here.

I have said several times here that it always starts at the top. And the Bears are rotten from the McCaskey's on down.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 19, 2023, 12:48:59 PM
The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 19, 2023, 12:48:59 PM
The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 19, 2023, 12:48:59 PM
The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

Quote from: Jockey on September 19, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?

He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.

Quote from: Jockey on September 19, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?

He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 19, 2023, 07:39:50 PM
I thought it looked much worse in real time than it actually was. I don't think it was ejection worthy.

Although, an ejection may have helped the Browns chances.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on September 19, 2023, 08:15:17 PM
He was really bad. He missed a number of passes by 15-20 yards. He was awful.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
Justin Fields stuff

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1704249795810820135?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Quote from: wadesworld on September 20, 2023, 10:04:55 AM
That second one is BRUTAL.  Even when he doesn't make the first throw and pulls it back, the guy down the seam is still WIDE open all the way through Justin running into the middle of the line for no reason.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2023, 12:11:27 PM
https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1704532867013865705?s=20

"Justin Fields acknowledged he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation for why he believes it is that way: "Coaching."

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 12:27:17 PM
The Bears DC quit or got fired?

It like some 60 year old Packer fan has scripted the Bears season.

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 12:58:31 PM
He's just in the corner stomping his feet and pouting.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 20, 2023, 01:18:27 PM
The Bears DC has been away from the team for a week because of personal reasons. Maybe wait and see what's going on before mocking him or the situation. Could be that's he's dealing with some serious sh*t unrelated to football.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 01:22:36 PM
Fair enough, but the head coach will not confirm or deny that he has left the team. Does that seem normal to you?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 01:22:36 PM
Fair enough, but the head coach will not confirm or deny that he has left the team. Does that seem normal to you?

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 20, 2023, 01:30:31 PM
If he's got a family situation that is fluid, I could see how a coach would answer that way. Or a health issue.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 20, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
The head coach has explained that the DC stepped away from the team for personal reasons. He refuses to say when or if he'll return.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-alan-williams-20230920-4xor5sct55b3dm5l2j37n7uyxu-story.html

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 20, 2023, 02:09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BillTZimmerman/status/1704542629239673075?t=D3pAsSif_Qh1THcYMnjqug&s=19

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
Apparently Matt Eberflus is now the odds on favorite in Vegas to be the 1st HC fired this year. (+225)

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 20, 2023, 02:16:00 PM
Not sure how legit this guy is, but said there was a raid of Halas Hall and Alan Williams house.

https://x.com/JonZSports/status/1704567498874499562?s=20

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 20, 2023, 02:16:00 PM
Not sure how legit this guy is, but said there was a raid of Halas Hall and Alan Williams house.

https://x.com/JonZSports/status/1704567498874499562?s=20

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).

Quote from: tower912 on September 20, 2023, 03:08:45 PM
They found Hoffa.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 03:05:20 PM
Probably stuff on Hunter's laptop leading them there

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 03:22:14 PM
Wasn't Hillary's secret server in Chicago??

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 03:44:43 PM
I have no clue on Alan Williams and what happened. The person I got a text from walked it back pretty quickly on the information they thought was legit.

No idea if it's child porn.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 03:44:43 PM
I have no clue on Alan Williams and what happened. The person I got a text from walked it back pretty quickly on the information they thought was legit.

No idea if it's child porn.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Imagine being called a predator despite no evidence.  Shaky reporting by a few in the Chicagoland

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 03:57:55 PM
I'm guilty myself, I thought I had trusted info on the FBI being involved and I did not.

There's wild speculation out there still, none of which is worth delving into until the truth comes out.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 03:57:55 PM
I'm guilty myself, I thought I had trusted info on the FBI being involved and I did not.

There's wild speculation out there still, none of which is worth delving into until the truth comes out.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
Someone pointed out to me the timeline of his resignation doesn't mesh up with when Eberflus spoke to the media, if one wants to dive deep on these details.

Agreed, Kevin Warren and George McCaskey should be out in front of this publicly, like tomorrow morning. Their house is on fire right now, not just with the Williams situation. Unsurprisingly, the PR from the Bears on this has been a complete disaster.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 20, 2023, 03:59:55 PM
Very weird or sad that some reputable people are doubling down on the 'health issue' being BS.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
Someone pointed out to me the timeline of his resignation doesn't mesh up with when Eberflus spoke to the media, if one wants to dive deep on these details.

Agreed, Kevin Warren and George McCaskey should be out in front of this publicly, like tomorrow morning. Their house is on fire right now, not just with the Williams situation. Unsurprisingly, the PR from the Bears on this has been a complete disaster.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Imagine being called a predator despite no evidence.  Shaky reporting by a few in the Chicagoland

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 04:22:50 PM
Williams is a longtime friend of Eberflub - yet not an ounce of sympathy when Everflub announced it was a health issue.

Huh?!!!!

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 04:22:50 PM
Williams is a longtime friend of Eberflub - yet not an ounce of sympathy when Everflub announced it was a health issue.

Huh?!!!!

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 04:11:26 PM
a very terse statement for a 'health issue'. Not a word about wishing him well, which would be SOP with a health issue.

So, we'll see.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2023, 04:30:00 PM
We've been using Everlose at our house.

The Bears official press release was incredibly blunt. Whatever happened, clearly the Bears are trying to distance themselves from it.

Quote from: withoutbias on September 20, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
This guy is REALLY hoping for some pedophile and/or sex trafficking.  Kinda weird.

Quote from: tower912 on September 20, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Like Ziggy does to you.

Quote from: withoutbias on September 20, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
This guy is REALLY hoping for some pedophile and/or sex trafficking.  Kinda weird.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 20, 2023, 04:14:25 PM
And now they release Nathan Peterman.

Day gets worse and worse.

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
I see now why people always make fun of you.

I haven't said even one word about either pedophilia or sex trafficking.

Quote from: withoutbias on September 20, 2023, 04:46:20 PM
But that's what the Twitter rumors are, and you're saying the Bears are BSing saying it's health related.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 04:34:01 PM
No, he's pointing out the obvious. It's why the Bears should be ahead of this

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 04:32:55 PM
:-X
Where do we rank the Bears as the worst organization in football?

It has to be between them and the Cardinals at the moment, no?  Browns?  Texans?

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 04:53:29 PM
Wow. Is English a 2nd language for you?

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on September 20, 2023, 04:56:33 PM
What does that even mean? Have a press conference saying he is or isn't resigning due to health issues? The worst thing that can do is say something that would open them up for liability. If worst case scenario it is something bad like CP, does it really make a difference if they say something now or in 3 days and just said they were letting police do their jobs and get the facts as they were totally shocked by what transpired? If it something health related, they probably have to wait until termination negotiations are finalized since its probably a mix between being fired and resigning.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2023, 04:36:08 PM
https://x.com/670thescore/status/1704609903564804164?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2023, 05:15:20 PM

Kinda wondering if this is more about a family member than him personally.

Quote from: Jockey on September 20, 2023, 06:21:52 PM
Strath would have no clue on that. He has been his attorney for mere hours

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2023, 05:15:20 PM

Kinda wondering if this is more about a family member than him personally.

Quote from: MUBurrow on September 20, 2023, 04:45:21 PM
Bears cleaning house on Petermen today.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 07:43:46 AM
The Bears have now re-signed Petermen.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 07:43:46 AM
The Bears have now re-signed Petermen.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 21, 2023, 08:04:18 AM
Not a good sign for the Bears or Fields. Rumors are the Bears coaches are ready to move on from Fields and need a serviceable QB, all within 24 hours.

The Bears have to be close to the bottom, right?

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 21, 2023, 08:11:38 AM
They just cut him yesterday. I would imagine this is more about contract/salary cap maneuvering than anything else.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 08:38:25 AM
My guess is that they had a trade or FA signing lined up but it fell through.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 21, 2023, 08:04:18 AM
Not a good sign for the Bears or Fields. Rumors are the Bears coaches are ready to move on from Fields and need a serviceable QB, all within 24 hours.

The Bears have to be close to the bottom, right?

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
Maybe we find out today what happened.

Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
Maybe we find out today what happened.

Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
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Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 11:01:04 AM
No I listen to what they say. Well, actually Poles refused to talk about it today and abruptly ended the press conference when asked about it.

If a friend and colleague resigned over a health issue (dubious because when someone has a health issue, giving up your medical insurance is not the 1st thing you do), the absolute 1st thing that any team would do is offer support rather than, say, give a terse 12 word statement saying good riddance.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2023, 12:55:31 PM
If he's wrong, wonder how ESPN handles it.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 02:37:19 PM
Are you saying that coaches are going to avoid working for the Bears because they sounded unsympathetic in a press release?

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
No.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
No.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
You're right. I don't "know" it. And in a normal situation an agreement would probably have been involved. But this isn't a normal separation. The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?

It also is a departure from Chicago's history. They openly support and take care of players with health issues. Think Miller or Knox.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
Uh...yeah you are. Otherwise what does this mean?

"The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?"

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 03:15:15 PM
Ones that want a job in the NFL? The jobs are limited

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:24:15 PM
Normally, you are different than most Scoopers - you actually understand nuance.


It wasn't about the press release. It was about having a high level coach "resign" over health issues and not expressing even an ounce of sympathy or support either in person OR in a press release. Remember, this was a coach who was a close friend of Everflus. Yet Eberflus showed no sympathy publicly. That is why I think this would give pause to other coaches.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 03:30:30 PM

You are WAAAYYYYY overthinking this.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:27:27 PM
You're right. But guys who just want an NFL job are not near as appealing to a team as guys who have earned an NFL job. These guys want a stable environment.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:40:19 PM
Probably.

I think that's a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.

6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.

Oops. Crash and burn on all points.

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:40:19 PM
Probably.

I think that's a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.

6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.

Oops. Crash and burn on all points.

Quote from: Pakuni on September 21, 2023, 04:35:56 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1704971145147982030

Quote from: RJax55 on September 21, 2023, 04:40:26 PM
By the time the playoffs get here, I wonder what stars will still be playing?

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2023, 09:19:20 PM
What kind of numbers would Jerry Rice have in this era?

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 09:31:26 PM
Probably worse.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
Why?  Isn't it more of a receiver friendly league?  His stats are ridiculous.  Would Moss be worse too?

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 09:59:27 PM
Oh, he'd still be the best receiver in the league. But it's very doubtful that he would have 2 HoFers throwing to him. So I don't think his numbers would be as good.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2023, 10:10:30 PM
That's fair.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2023, 09:19:20 PM
What kind of numbers would Jerry Rice have in this era?

Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2023, 12:19:46 PM
Fields could be an effective Taysom Hill type backup QB, if used properly by a coach and OC.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 24, 2023, 10:48:56 AM
What am I missing? The Bears are only 12.5 point dogs? Seems like Vegas is begging everyone to take the Chiefs.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 24, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Joe Staley trying really hard to be the first coach fired.

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 24, 2023, 03:17:21 PM
Brandon Staley may get fired before him

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 24, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Joe Staley trying really hard to be the first coach fired.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2023, 04:43:11 PM
Multiple folks reporting Alan Williams resignation was conduct related

Quote from: Jockey on September 24, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
I'm kinda tired of the gaslighting by the announcers.

Justin is not a "budding superstar".

Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2023, 03:25:00 PM
Horrible non-call in the Baltimore Indy game.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 24, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
Are the Bears the worst NFL team in history?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2023, 05:02:41 PM
Bears are not only bad but it sure looks like they've quit

Quote from: Jockey on September 24, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
I'm kinda tired of the gaslighting by the announcers.

Justin is not a "budding superstar".

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 25, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
Anyone see the Fields press conference? He sounds like he is done. Talking about appreciating the small things in life, NFL football does not sound very important to hm right now.

For a young man who seems like a good person, it is sad to see his life dream dissolve in front of him and everyone else.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 25, 2023, 09:42:01 AM

And his former understudy at OSU, C.J. Stroud, is kicking it so far in Houston.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2023, 12:09:23 PM
Sounds like we have to cancel Travis Kelce

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 25, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
https://x.com/_chandler_____/status/1706336557492277401?s=20

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 25, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
Anyone see the Fields press conference? He sounds like he is done. Talking about appreciating the small things in life, NFL football does not sound very important to hm right now.

For a young man who seems like a good person, it is sad to see his life dream dissolve in front of him and everyone else.

Quote from: MU82 on September 25, 2023, 10:13:38 PM
Lots of lousy teams that had 2-0 records, including 3 NFC South teams, got exposed this week.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 26, 2023, 09:38:02 PM
Word is Saleh is losing the locker room continuing to trot out Wilson, a dumpster fire at its finest

Quote from: Jockey on September 26, 2023, 10:35:20 PM
As a Head Coach, Saleh is a great Defensive Coordinator.

Quote from: Jockey on September 26, 2023, 10:35:20 PM
As a Head Coach, Saleh is a great Defensive Coordinator.

Quote from: cheebs09 on September 26, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
My dream is Saleh gets fired and comes to GB as DC. He was best man for MLF's wedding.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 27, 2023, 09:14:15 AM
I think Saleh probably is toast in NY.  I think they likely skid to a 3-4 win season and with Rodgers unlikely to return next year, the Jets just restart.

That being said, I think he will absolutely be a coach that pops back up and has success at his next stop after another 2-3 years of being a DC.  I thought Saleh did a really good job with the Jets to this point.  He took over an absolute mess after Bowles and Gase and brought them to the bring of competitiveness.  The Jets went all in on Rodgers and everything that came with it, and they really had no back up plan.  I think the plan was to not give up on Wilson, but also be able to shelter/grow him for 2 years behind Rodgers.  Thats all blown up and nobody, including Saleh, is managing it well.  But devils advocate, I think there are very few HCs, much less first time HCs, who would be able to manage it smoothly.  Its so much more than just guiding your team when your starter went down.

Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2023, 09:19:09 AM
I think it is likely that Rodgers returns.

Quote from: JWags85 on September 27, 2023, 09:14:15 AM
I think Saleh probably is toast in NY.  I think they likely skid to a 3-4 win season and with Rodgers unlikely to return next year, the Jets just restart.

That being said, I think he will absolutely be a coach that pops back up and has success at his next stop after another 2-3 years of being a DC.  I thought Saleh did a really good job with the Jets to this point.  He took over an absolute mess after Bowles and Gase and brought them to the bring of competitiveness.  The Jets went all in on Rodgers and everything that came with it, and they really had no back up plan.  I think the plan was to not give up on Wilson, but also be able to shelter/grow him for 2 years behind Rodgers.  Thats all blown up and nobody, including Saleh, is managing it well.  But devils advocate, I think there are very few HCs, much less first time HCs, who would be able to manage it smoothly.  Its so much more than just guiding your team when your starter went down.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
If I were the Jets, there is no way I would fire Saleh. He had them going great last year, and this year his top QB goes down.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
If I were the Jets, there is no way I would fire Saleh. He had them going great last year, and this year his top QB goes down.

Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2023, 12:34:01 PM
I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.

If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.

Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2023, 12:34:01 PM
I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.

If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.

Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2023, 12:34:01 PM
I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.

If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.

Quote from: jficke13 on September 27, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
I'm also not sure how much that show should be taken as sufficient to infer things that it does not show. As in, obviously they have to cut vast swaths of what Salah's DTD activities were or it wouldn't be a watchable product. Maybe they made the editorial decision to focus on his Rodgers-Cheerleading because they thought that was the most compelling angle for the production.

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 27, 2023, 12:31:35 PM
https://x.com/KyleSloter/status/1707067153025814600?s=20

Another observer pointing out how bad the entire offense is.

Also, the bears will continue to be a horrible franchise until ownership changes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/26/bears-losing-streak/

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 27, 2023, 12:31:35 PM
https://x.com/KyleSloter/status/1707067153025814600?s=20

Another observer pointing out how bad the entire offense is.

Also, the bears will continue to be a horrible franchise until ownership changes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/26/bears-losing-streak/

Quote from: JWags85 on September 26, 2023, 10:00:57 PM
Who do they want him to play? Tim Boyle? It's not like there are a bunch of amazing options he's ignoring to the detriment of the locker room

Quote from: MU82 on September 28, 2023, 08:14:12 AM
Tonight's game is just #4 in a long season, but it feels like an important one, especially for the Lions.

The biggest game the Lions have played since they were playoff contenders with Stafford in the mid-teens?

Quote from: MU82 on September 28, 2023, 08:14:12 AM
Tonight's game is just #4 in a long season, but it feels like an important one, especially for the Lions.

The biggest game the Lions have played since they were playoff contenders with Stafford in the mid-teens?

Quote from: swoopem on September 28, 2023, 08:59:48 AM
As a Detroit (Royal Oak) resident, I'd say week 1 was bigger. There was SO much hype going into the year that it needed to be validated and they did that. Tonight is big but week 1 had a lot more buzz

Quote from: swoopem on September 28, 2023, 08:59:48 AM
As a Detroit (Royal Oak) resident, I'd say week 1 was bigger. There was SO much hype going into the year that it needed to be validated and they did that. Tonight is big but week 1 had a lot more buzz

Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2023, 09:12:17 AM


Livin' large on Main St., hey?

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2023, 03:03:47 PM
Does Bakh play another snap for the packers?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 28, 2023, 01:02:53 PM
"Chicago Bears coach Matt Eberflus said Wednesday that he will continue to call defensive plays for the remainder of the season"

I'd like to personally thank Matt for making the decision to fire him at the end of the season, or sooner, even easier. (that is assuming the reports that the decision to fire him has already been made are false)

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 28, 2023, 01:08:38 PM
"Fields threw for 99 yards, a touchdown and an interception in a 41-10 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs last Sunday. His completion percentage and passer rating has declined each week since a season-opening loss to the Green Bay Packers, as have his number of pass attempts and the air yards per attempt."

" Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy is encouraged by the growth he's seeing from Justin Fields "

:o

Quote from: JWags85 on September 28, 2023, 04:40:17 PM
As clueless as I think this may be...he just lost his DC.  I dont know if he has much choice regardless?

Fields has been bad.  And he's regressed and given even fans of his plenty to doubt.  But my god he's being failed by coaching so badly.  This is just a prime example.  If this is a quote given to the press, how can he be getting realistic and actionable guidance behind closed doors?  It's one thing if Getsy slammed him or showed tough love to the press and then uses it to build or motivate in practice, but this is just awful.  I'm sure Fields is disappointed with himself and knows he can be better, he alluded to as much in his comments last week.  Having your OC come out and say this after that and a miserablele performance has got to be a mindf**k

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 28, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
As for being the DC, I somewhat agree but A) he has proven he can't handle being HC with a DC, now he is doing both jobs; B) this is another indictment of not building an NFL quality staff. Not having someone on the staff that can act as interim DC is laughable.  Absolute clown show management. Is Matt going to cover kicking duties if the kicker gets injured?

As for Fields, I agree. Any casual fan can look at games or tape and see that the blame is about 50/50 Justin and coaching. The public statement of being happy with Field's play, paired with Justin's own comments, completely under-minds Getsy's credibility. There is zero reason for Getsy to trash Fields or even give an honest assessment of Fields to the public. But you can not praise his play and expect the public not to laugh at you. How about a neutral and un-verifiable statement "we are pleased with Justin's effort and dedication"?

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 28, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
This quote from Getsy is even better:

"I think we're in the process of building something special," Getsy said, via Mark Potash of the Chicago Sun-Times. "We're in the phase of it's Week Three going into Week Four and we're going on to find a way to attack Denver in a completely different way than we did Kansas City. . . . It's a 17-week process. It is not a three-week process."

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 28, 2023, 07:51:22 PM
I'm a big fan of Kirk Herbstreit , but not for NFL.

Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2023, 07:26:57 AM
Really impressed with the Lions.

They have done a great job of building good offensive and defensive lines, which makes things easier for everyone else.

Goff threw the early horrible INT but then showed a lot of maturity and mental toughness in bouncing right back to lead two nice scoring drives. He has good talent around him and uses it well, and Ben Johnson looks like a fine OC.

Fun team to watch, too, partly because of their coach's personality (and therefore the team's personality).

They play the Panthers at home next. That figures to be a very ugly one for my lads. I hope Young survives.

Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 01, 2023, 12:02:30 PM
82, Young will be just fine.  He needs one full year to develop and he will be off to the races.  The good thing is that he is on a team that can afford the luxury of letting him play and not pulling him when things aren't going exactly the way they want it to go.  Kinda like the opposite of what's been happening in Chicago for the last decade.  I've seen Young in high school, college, and now in the NFL.  I think he will only get better as time goes on.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
Fields outplaying Russell Wilson

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 01, 2023, 01:03:08 PM
How bad is Denver?

Quote from: Jockey on October 01, 2023, 01:15:37 PM
How did Miami only score 70 against this Broncos defense?

Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2023, 01:54:05 PM
Give Fields all the money and all the years you can ASAP. Can't risk letting that talent get away.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2023, 01:56:41 PM
I have no idea what the Broncos are doing on defense.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 01, 2023, 01:12:27 PM
Bears are f-ing up the Tank 2.0 plan.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2023, 02:27:46 PM
Oh no, Bears.

Quote from: jesmu84 on October 01, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
Have faith

Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2023, 01:54:05 PM
Give Fields all the money and all the years you can ASAP. Can't risk letting that talent get away.

Quote from: jesmu84 on October 01, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
Have faith

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 01, 2023, 03:00:19 PM
Were the Bears up 27-7?

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 01, 2023, 03:02:52 PM
Bears crushed my football soul a long time ago. They don't deserve Caleb Williams.

Last year I was more than fine with tanking. This season is just beyond sad, they deserve to be in football hell.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 01, 2023, 03:02:32 PM
Tank 2.0 is back on the menu!

And My Panthers ^tm are keeping up their end of the bargain too. 

The Toy Story broadcast was awesome.

What a Sunday!

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 03:02:38 PM
28-7

Quote from: MU82 on October 01, 2023, 03:10:35 PM
Do Your Panthers suck, too? My Panthers sure do.

And congrats to Not Your Bears on another big week!

Quote from: jesmu84 on October 01, 2023, 04:23:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Zack_Pearson/status/1708591771549134884?t=JSbw29jWvyFU_LMTkNtirw&s=19

What a joke

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 01, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
Kinda think the Pats need to move on from Belichick. He's a legend but it's just not been very good since Brady left.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 04:10:21 PM
The entire Bears team on pace for 8 sacks this year.  :o

The law of averages say the will end up with more........... maybe 12?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 05:47:31 PM
Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?

Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2023, 05:57:20 PM
The Colts did once. Early 90s. Took Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt,

Quote from: forgetful on October 01, 2023, 06:25:03 PM
Man, the Colts really made the best of that didn't they. Wonder if the Bears can outdo them.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 05:47:31 PM
Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 05:47:31 PM
Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 04:27:18 PM
Matt Eberflus says Claypool was given the option to come to the game

The Chicago Bears say Claypool was told to stay home.

Maybe the Bears should talk to their head coach.

** sorry, slow on my post**

Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2023, 06:31:44 AM
How sad will Roger (and the networks, and the internet) be when Kelce and Swift break up?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 01, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
Kinda think the Pats need to move on from Belichick. He's a legend but it's just not been very good since Brady left.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 02, 2023, 08:28:26 AM
Apparently Belichick to the Bears was a topic on ESPN radio.

Yes, please.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 02, 2023, 08:28:26 AM
Apparently Belichick to the Bears was a topic on ESPN radio.

Yes, please.

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 02, 2023, 09:22:35 AM
Belichick to the Bears would give me Phil Jackson to the Knicks type of vibes. A great coach, but we'll past their prime.

Granted, Phil went as an executive. But I think Belichick the executive is making things much harder on Belichick the coach.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2023, 09:35:46 AM
Putting Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge of Mac Jones second year development after McDaniels left was a terrible decision.

Anyway, I know it seems unfair to run a GM out of town after less than two years, but they again need a complete rebuild. Kevin Warren should have the ability to get his group of guys in there.

Quote from: Jockey on October 01, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
He wasn't that good before Brady, either.

Quote from: MU82 on October 02, 2023, 08:38:48 AM
What if Belichick is neither a very good coach nor a very good GM anymore? His record sans Brady is pretty putrid, and he wouldn't exactly be a long-term solution.

Quote from: Jockey on October 02, 2023, 11:19:49 AM
People can bad- mouth Carter, but the draft showed why there are teams that are perennial winners and teams that are perennial losers. The losing teams all passed on Carter. The 1st winning organization to draft snatched him up in a second.

Quote from: JWags85 on October 02, 2023, 11:21:13 AM
That's not totally fair.  He did good stuff in Cleveland. He took over a dumpster fire, got them to the playoffs and won a game and then they were a popular Super Bowl pick heading into 95 before Modell turned the franchise on its head with the shock move announcement.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 02, 2023, 12:55:30 PM
Belichick's record when Brady was out in NE was very impressive. The prevailing thought was it was more Belichick than Brady.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2023, 01:00:12 PM
He had two years without Brady prior to his trade to Tampa. His first, where they went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe as the starter. And 2008, where they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's a brilliant defensive mind. But hiring a 71 year old who wants total control, and a relatively meager recent track record, is not what I think the Bears should be doing.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 02, 2023, 12:55:30 PM
Belichick's record when Brady was out in NE was very impressive. The prevailing thought was it was more Belichick than Brady.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2023, 01:11:06 PM
It's a terrible idea.  I don't know what the answer is in Chicago but I'm confident it's not Belichick.

Quote from: MU82 on October 02, 2023, 01:23:58 PM

Look, Belichick has won a bazillion Super Bowls and obviously is a Hall of Fame coach. But I'm not sure I'd be pining for a 71-year-old guy who has done very little sans Brady and whose work as GM has been shaky at best for years. But you're free to pine for him if you want.

Quote from: swoopem on October 02, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it's worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense

Quote from: swoopem on October 02, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it's worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2023, 01:45:20 PM
I think hiring an offensive coordinator who doesn't call plays gets you the next Nathanial Hackett or Matt Nagy.

Quote from: MU82 on October 02, 2023, 01:38:15 PM
The Panthers interviewed Lions OC Ben Johnson and were said to be very impressed with him. I think he had a couple other interviews, too. He ended up deciding to stay in Detroit for at least one more year.

He might be a good get for the Bears (or anyone else).

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.

The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league

That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.

Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.

Quote from: swoopem on October 02, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it's worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 02, 2023, 01:44:32 PM
I understand there are very good reasons to not hire Belichick. I tend to agree with all of them.

But Belichick could have three strokes and Alzheimer's and be a massive upgrade for the Bears.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.

The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league

That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.

Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.

Quote from: MU82 on October 02, 2023, 02:21:11 PM
Talk about COLE.

Quote from: JWags85 on October 02, 2023, 11:21:13 AM
That's not totally fair.  He did good stuff in Cleveland. He took over a dumpster fire, got them to the playoffs and won a game and then they were a popular Super Bowl pick heading into 95 before Modell turned the franchise on its head with the shock move announcement.

I think the latter is the issue, he's not been a good GM at all for awhile. I think a HUGE part of why he was successful as both was Scott Pioli.  That was really the building blocks of the dynasty.  Then by the time Pioli left they had a stacked roster and a superstar QB.  That made up for a lot of roster issues going forward. 

So you have a combination of a system that was wildly successful but the rest of the NFL caught up to, as they do, a lacking GM who probably has too much on his plate now, and flawed nepotism/loyalty with coaching.  It's hard to notice/correct that when you're full bought into your own merited past genius.

Even with a really good Brady, they still wouldn't be the class of the AFC, much less the NFL.

Quote from: forgetful on October 02, 2023, 09:38:08 PM
And controversial statement. Had Brady stayed in NE instead of going to TB, they likely wouldn't have been any better than they've been without him.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.

The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league

That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.

Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2023, 08:33:00 AM
"Literally everyone knew Carter was good" vs 5 #1s out of 10 who weren't good (crapshoot). And actually everyone knew that Carter was VERY good, quite possibly the most talented player in the draft. Thanks for pointing out why Carter was a no brainer at #9 (Bears) or #10 (Eagles). If there's a 50% chance you'll get a bum anyway, why not take a guy with "history" but top tier talent?

Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up. 

Quote from: PointWarrior on October 02, 2023, 10:38:48 PM
Giants are a fraud, were last year too...

Quote from: jficke13 on October 03, 2023, 09:19:04 AM
Don't people have to think that you're good in order to be a fraud?

Quote from: MU82 on October 03, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
Daboll and Jones were not best buds last night.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 03, 2023, 08:45:58 AM
Yeah, unless you have guys graded real close to one another, its not the worst thing in the NFL to take a risk on high level talent. And to be clear about Carter, he didn't have a reputation as a chronic trouble maker right? It's just that his January incident was REEEEAAALLLYYYY bad.