2024-25 NFL Thread

[Uncle Rico]

I thought everything was Luke Getsy's fault.
Or was that Mark Helfrich? Dowell Loggains? Mike Martz? John Schoop? Terry Shea? Gary Crowton?
Seems to be a theme.

Yeah, the Bears are a poorly run organization. 

[Pakuni]

Yeah, the Bears are a poorly run organization.

Well, that also.
But it's Lazy Football Fan 101 to blame the coordinator whenever the offense struggles. Good scheme and playcalling can't magically wipe away a lack of talent or poor execution.
I mean, go check out Andy Reid's offenses when Nick Foles and Doug Pederson were under center.
Or how the Shanahan/McDaniel/Slowik braintrust fared when Nick Mullen and CJ Beathard were starting.

Bears fans aren't alone in doing this, they just seem to be the best at it.

[Herman Cain]

Trevor Lawrence always take full responsibility and owns its . Acknowledges the Team Sucks. Doesn't deflect or make excuses, accepts that it is on him as Team Leader. Refreshing.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-qb-trevor-lawrence-on-jacksonville-s-0-2-start-we-suck-right-now

[MU82]

Williams is a rookie QB whose game has flaws that need fixing, he's playing in an offense with many holes (especially on the OL), and he's being coached by an OC he just met a few months ago.

What's taking place should have been expected.

Stroud last season was the exception, not the norm.

[WhiteTrash]

I know some are saying Justin Fields has been better so far this year.  Cool.  The guy has thrown for 1 touchdown and 0 interceptions through 2 weeks.  273 total passing yards.  Tomlin has the training wheels on big time for him.  If you want a running back who you have to throw out 3/4 of your passing game for because he's incapable of making the reads and throws, then go for it with Justin Fields.  He stinks out loud and Tomlin knows it, which is why he's not throwing the ball at all.

The fact that Fields couldn't win the starting job and his actual play this season makes me very comfortable that the Bears made the right choice.

[Uncle Rico]

Trevor Lawrence always take full responsibility and owns its . Acknowledges the Team Sucks. Doesn't deflect or make excuses, accepts that it is on him as Team Leader. Refreshing.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-qb-trevor-lawrence-on-jacksonville-s-0-2-start-we-suck-right-now

They suck because he sucks

[Dish]

This is a problem:

League wide passing TD's through 2 weeks the last 5 years

2024 66 (pending MNF)
2023 86
2022 105
2021 110
2020 110

[Uncle Rico]

Well, that also.
But it's Lazy Football Fan 101 to blame the coordinator whenever the offense struggles. Good scheme and playcalling can't magically wipe away a lack of talent or poor execution.
I mean, go check out Andy Reid's offenses when Nick Foles and Doug Pederson were under center.
Or how the Shanahan/McDaniel/Slowik braintrust fared when Nick Mullen and CJ Beathard were starting.

Bears fans aren't alone in doing this, they just seem to be the best at it.

There's enough evidence over the last 40+ years the Bears are poorly run and remain poorly run.  Poorly run organizations hire bad coaches.

Bad coaches can ruin or hinder good players

[Uncle Rico]

This is a problem:

League wide passing TD's through 2 weeks the last 5 years

2024 66 (pending MNF)
2023 86
2022 105
2021 110
2020 110

QB play is atrocious in the NFL.  Truly remarkable how bad it is. 

I think Sultan's point about pre-season lack of reps extends back to less structured camps in the spring as well.

[Pakuni]

There's enough evidence over the last 40+ years the Bears are poorly run and remain poorly run.  Poorly run organizations hire bad coaches.

Bad coaches can ruin or hinder good players

1. Well, I didn't disagree.
2. Good coaches can't turn bad players into good players.

[The Sultan]

The thing is, of the quarterbacks who finished in the top 10 of TD passes for the entire season back in 2022, all of them except Tom Brady are still playing. And 7 of the remaining 9 are still playing for same team - Rodgers and Cousins are the exception.

And IMO it's not just quarterback play. OLs don't look all that good early in the season either.  I just think so many teams sit players in pre-season because there are now 17 games and 7/16 make the playoffs.

[Pakuni]

This is a problem:

League wide passing TD's through 2 weeks the last 5 years

2024 66 (pending MNF)
2023 86
2022 105
2021 110
2020 110

How does scoring compare?

[Uncle Rico]

1. Well, I didn't disagree.
2. Good coaches can't turn bad players into good players.

On point 2, I think good coaches can maximize the talent of players better than bad coaches.  I watched the Vikings somehow remain competitive with garbage QBs after Couisins got hurt last year.

[cheebs09]

On point 2, I think good coaches can maximize the talent of players better than bad coaches.  I watched the Vikings somehow remain competitive with garbage QBs after Couisins got hurt last year.

Being 2-0 with Sam Darnold is no small feat.

[Pakuni]

On point 2, I think good coaches can maximize the talent of players better than bad coaches.  I watched the Vikings somehow remain competitive with garbage QBs after Couisins got hurt last year.

They lost 6 of their last 7, with the win being a 3-0 game over the Raiders.

[WhiteTrash]

On point 2, I think good coaches can maximize the talent of players better than bad coaches.  I watched the Vikings somehow remain competitive with garbage QBs after Couisins got hurt last year.

I agree with this. I think some positions or groups can be more effected by coaches (good or bad) than others. I think great OL coaches can do wonders with pedestrian talent, maybe ST coaches also. WR coaches, maybe not as much influence.

[Dish]

How does scoring compare?

2024    1324
2023    1452
2022    1360
2021    1536
2020    1611

[Uncle Rico]

They lost 6 of their last 7, with the win being a 3-0 game over the Raiders.

They did.  They also gave the Bengals and Lions all they could handle during the last month of the season.

Good coaching can maximize talent of bad and mediocre players.

The Bears haven't had good coaches because the organization is terrible at identifying good coaches outside Lovie Smith

[cheebs09]

2024    1324
2023    1452
2022    1360
2021    1536
2020    1611

The lack of Anders Carlson may explain the 2023 to 24 drop.

[Uncle Rico]

I agree with this. I think some positions or groups can be more effected by coaches (good or bad) than others. I think great OL coaches can do wonders with pedestrian talent, maybe ST coaches also. WR coaches, maybe not as much influence.

The Packers offensive line was hot trash to start 2023.  By the end of the year, it had stabilized and become effective.  Adam Stenavich and Luke Butkus did great work in 23.

[cheebs09]

I don't have any proof of this, but the new wave of QBs seem to be underwhelming or rushing focused. Lawrence hasn't really lived up to the hype. Young has been a mess. Fields was more of a runner and so far Caleb hasn't had time to throw.

Stroud has been good, but I'm not sure there's been many other good ones. Then you have guys like Rodgers, Wilson, and Cousins who are hanging on but might not be physically up to it.

[tower912]

How many first string offenses played zero snaps in the preseason?   Yes, there are a shortage of elite QBs right now.   

[Dish]

The lack of Anders Carlson may explain the 2023 to 24 drop.

Well done sir, well done.

[WhiteTrash]

The Bears haven't had good coaches because the organization is terrible at identifying good coaches outside Lovie Smith

They run everything backwards Why pick your coach, then GM, then president???? (I do think they told Poles to hire Flus)

I think Virginia and the family care about the Bears and want to win and are willing to spend some money, but they just don't know how to run a modern football organization. (This is opposite of the Bulls and Sox who's owner doesn't care at all except for making money).

[The Sultan]

They run everything backwards Why pick your coach, then GM, then president???? (I do think they told Poles to hire Flus)

This was my argument last year. Why keep Eberflus? What coaching did he do to deserve keeping him while replacing the entire offensive staff?

I guess you can say that if Poles and him are on the same page and have a good working relationship that there is value in that.