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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM
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Looks like The Lions solid season last year is paying off. Team has done well at box office .
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/lions-expect-ford-field-to-be-sold-out-in-2023#:~:text=Team%20president%20Rod%20Wood%2C%20speaking,satisfied%20with%20the%20rebuilding%20process.
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The worst thing a Lion fan can have is hope.
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The worst thing a Lion fan can have is hope.
"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." Red - Shawshank Redemption
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Red was wise.
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Trevor Lawrence ready for breakout season. He clinched my support when he showed up at Waffle House to celebrate The Jags playoff win
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-trevor-lawrence-aims-to-become-one-of-nfls-top-qbs-after-historic-improvement-from-year-1-to-year-2/amp/
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https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/vikings-jordan-addison-cited-for-reckless-driving-at-140-mph
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The Washington Football Team might change its name again.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/21/washington-commanders-magic-johnson-confirms-team-could-change-name
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The Maroon?
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The Washington Football Team might change its name again.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/21/washington-commanders-magic-johnson-confirms-team-could-change-name
Warriors would be good
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Warriors would be good
Doesn’t matter. NFL is doomed
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The Lions secondary is doomed.
Of.course, you can say that every year.
Same old Lions until they win a playoff game.
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The Lions secondary is doomed.
Of.course, you can say that every year.
Same old Lions until they win a playoff game.
Some modest good news
https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/24/lions-c-j-gardner-johnson-knee-injury-update-good-news/
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That is good news.
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That is good news.
It is. They won’t have 12 given the ball away recklessly like he did last year and single-handedly costing the Packers a playoff appearance
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Joseph appreciates AR making his career.
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Lions Coach trying to tone down The Hype
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/dan-campbell-detroit-lions-have-to-control-hype-train
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Good. Detroit didn't make the playoffs last year. They had a 1-6 start. 7 games in, they were as bad as any team in the league. They made a nice turnaround. It means nothing this year. New running backs, new secondary. Wide receiver suspended for 6 games.
So, it is possible everything comes together and they win their second playoff game in 65 years. That would be fun.
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Burrow's achilles gowne?
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Burrow's achilles gowne?
Calf? It's gonna be a real roller coaster season for the Bengals
https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb (https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb)
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Calf? It's gonna be a real roller coaster season for the Bengals
https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb (https://twitter.com/CalebNoeTV/status/1684655893491662849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684655893491662849%7Ctwgr%5Ebaccebbbd001757f47c583ba75c99b46b905b09a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdknetwork.draftkings.com%2Fnfl-injuries-fantasy%2F2023%2F7%2F27%2F23810411%2Fjoe-burrow-injury-update-return-calf-nfl-bengals-training-camp-fantasy-football-backup-qb)
That's good news. Didn't seem like a knee or ankle, came up kind of like an achilles tear so a calf strain would be great.
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Calvin Ridley looking strong at Jags Training Camp
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/26/calvin-ridley-jaguars-2023-training-camp/
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Sean Payton publicly trashes his predecessor Nathaniel Hackett: “It might have been one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. That’s how bad it was.”
Payton's Broncos meet the Jets, where Hackett is now Aaron Rodgers' OC, in Week 5.
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Sean Payton publicly trashes his predecessor Nathaniel Hackett: “It might have been one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. That’s how bad it was.”
Payton's Broncos meet the Jets, where Hackett is now Aaron Rodgers' OC, in Week 5.
Hackett is Rodgers hand-picked OC, so I’d say Payton is probably right in his assessment
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https://twitter.com/packers/status/1684909821546446848
A few moments later...
https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1684954595611611138?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Bears really big into cross-training their athletes at different positions. Also gave Justin Fields reps at QB.
https://twitter.com/adamjahns/status/1684981405351071744?t=5f20RmZ07drBPQ7ag8PL9w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/adamjahns/status/1684981405351071744?t=5f20RmZ07drBPQ7ag8PL9w&s=19)
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Guys, I don’t know if we have enough information yet but I’m starting to think Sean Payton might be a real pretty boy.
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Guys, I don’t know if we have enough information yet but I’m starting to think Sean Payton might be a real pretty boy.
He's worse than that.
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Guys, I don’t know if we have enough information yet but I’m starting to think Sean Payton might be a real pretty boy.
It's going to be even funnier when he can't fix Russ
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He's now saying he has "regret" about his comments, and he's twisting himself into a pretzel about what he really meant. What a weasel.
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So harsh criticism of a coach and then the organization he went to is shameful now? Wtf.
I don’t know how you dispute Hackett may have been one of the worst head coaches in league history, but even if that were a wild exaggeration, he can call out what he feels was a rotten job if he wants.
And what, there’ll be no cold water thrown on Jets expectations because people are being suckered that Aaron Rodgers is not one of the biggest postseason fraud’s ever (save for 2010-11)
This is supposedly a big boy league. What a humongous nothing burger of controversy this is, except that it’s a refreshing change from the coach speak blather being puked out again by the other 31 in charge.
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Who claimed what Payton said was "shameful?" He certainly can say whatever he wants, and I gladly hope he says more because it is oh-so entertaining, but there is a reason most coaches puke out blather.
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So harsh criticism of a coach and then the organization he went to is shameful now? Wtf.
I don’t know how you dispute Hackett may have been one of the worst head coaches in league history, but even if that were a wild exaggeration, he can call out what he feels was a rotten job if he wants.
And what, there’ll be no cold water thrown on Jets expectations because people are being suckered that Aaron Rodgers is not one of the biggest postseason fraud’s ever (save for 2010-11)
This is supposedly a big boy league. What a humongous nothing burger of controversy this is, except that it’s a refreshing change from the coach speak blather being puked out again by the other 31 in charge.
Who said "shameful"? Wtf. All I did was present the fact that it happened in my first comment. In my second, I called Payton a weasel for trying to back out of what he said - and obviously what he really believes.
I love that he said it. Stuff like that makes following the NFL more fun.
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Jonathan Taylor wants out from Colts
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jonathan-taylor-requests-trade-from-colts-possible-landing-spots-for-disgruntled-star-rb/amp/
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Excellent video interview with Trevor Lawrence. Jags Outlook is promising with Trevor leading the way.
https://www.cbssports.com/watch/nfl/caf2fe48-6931-41a3-a077-b42c4866339f/trevor-lawrence-joins-pete-prisco-and-rick-spielman-to-discuss-looking-to-build-off-his-strong-2nd-half-of-the-2022-season-in-2023
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It's nice to see that excellent interviews extend beyond the Marquette and even Wisconsin sports realms.
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More on Trevor Lawrence breakout potential
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/christian-kirk-on-jaguars-trevor-lawrences-growth-the-light-switch-is-on/
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Davante to the jets?
https://twitter.com/StevenCheah/status/1686002363201380353?t=HE1J5y70AjPF1IYCWgdZaA&s=19
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lions-sell-out-season-tickets-for-first-time-in-ford-fields-21-year-history/amp/
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lions-sell-out-season-tickets-for-first-time-in-ford-fields-21-year-history/amp/
Tower coming in with a storm cloud over his head reaction in 3...2...1...
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https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/05/lions-fan-wind-beneath-my-freaking-wings-for-dan-campbell-bette-midler/
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Lions sign Bridgewater. They must be serious.
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Lions sign Bridgewater. They must be serious.
Dan Campbell has confidence in him as a back up to Goff
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2023/08/08/detroit-lions-nfl-dan-campbell-explains-affinity-teddy-bridgewater/70549185007/
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Yes. This is the first time Detroit has signed a decent back up since... Dave Krieg?
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Dan Campbell bullish on Aidan Hutchinson second season
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/dan-campbell-aidan-hutchinson-has-taken-it-up-a-notch
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https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/11/jaguars-urinals-hydration-test/
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Trevor Lawrence commenting on Jags depth in first pre-season game . Jags will need that depth for Lawrence to have a break out season.
https://www.jaguars.com/video/lawrence-it-s-nice-when-you-can-win-these-games-especially-when-your-depth-plays
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Tower your fan base is strong this year
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dan-campbell-giants-forced-to-use-silent-count-during-preseason-game-due-to-lions-unbelievable-crowd-noise/
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There is so much pent up energy that if this team gets to 11 wins and actually wins a playoff game, the fanbase will probably become more inufferable than the Cubs when they finally won. Or Cardinals fans every year.
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Man, this is a wild story. I knew he wasn’t thrilled with his portrayal in the movie, but this is crazy. Michael Oher wasn’t actually adopted, but rather they had him sign conservatorship documents to control his finances. Hopefully Oher can recoup some of the money.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds
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Man, this is a wild story. I knew he wasn’t thrilled with his portrayal in the movie, but this is crazy. Michael Oher wasn’t actually adopted, but rather they had him sign conservatorship documents to control his finances. Hopefully Oher can recoup some of the money.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds
Wow. WTH????? Crazy is absolutely correct.
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Man, this is a wild story. I knew he wasn’t thrilled with his portrayal in the movie, but this is crazy. Michael Oher wasn’t actually adopted, but rather they had him sign conservatorship documents to control his finances. Hopefully Oher can recoup some of the money.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds
Putting the money aside, which is outrageous . What that family did to Michael was cold. He has every right to be hurt and angry.
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Putting the money aside, which is outrageous . What that family did to Michael was cold. He has every right to be hurt and angry.
This whole story is bizarre. The family is denying these allegations and are saying he knew about the conservatorship a long time ago.
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Definitely on a wait and see with this one.
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Definitely on a wait and see with this one.
Yes. Whatever the truth is it's a pretty ugly and sad situation.
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This whole story is bizarre. The family is denying these allegations and are saying he knew about the conservatorship a long time ago.
NBC News story showed his reference to the conservatorship in his autobiography. Also producers claim the family and Oher received a total of a couple hundred thousand dollars. IF true, then there is not a lot of money to squabble over.
Sad situation whoever is in the wrong.
Even sadder is the cancel cops are demanding Sandra Bullock return her Oscar. ::)
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NBC News story showed his reference to the conservatorship in his autobiography. Also producers claim the family and Oher received a total of a couple hundred thousand dollars. IF true, then there is not a lot of money to squabble over.
Sad situation whoever is in the wrong.
Even sadder is the cancel cops are demanding Sandra Bullock return her Oscar. ::)
Ya.....I don't think anyone got much for the movie other than the studio and actors. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say none of this is Sandra Bullock's fault.
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I’m surprised Bagent went undrafted, his poise, command in the pocket, and accuracy are impressive. I don’t think there’s any way the Bears expose him to the practice squad. I’m not building a wing in Canton for him, but he passes the eye test.
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I’m surprised Bagent went undrafted, his poise, command in the pocket, and accuracy are impressive. I don’t think there’s any way the Bears expose him to the practice squad. I’m not building a wing in Canton for him, but he passes the eye test.
I have to agree. Gotta assume it’s due to no real historical evidence of successful DII QBs in the NFL?
That being said he looked really good. I also dont expect him to be starting caliber NFL QB but he’s intriguing, especially given his story. Takes over the reins and is very successful at WV HS football power, really good grades. Puts up huge numbers but has no FBS offers. Goes to a local D2, again, puts up MASSIVE stats. Regardless of the level, 2040 college attempts and less than 50 INTs is wild. His 2021 year was 580 attempts, 5000 yards, 53 TDs and only 13 INTs, sheesh. Then to come in and go 9/10 in your first NFL action, says something about his accuracy and confidence.
I think he’s probably the Bears #2 at this point, though Peterman likely is officially on the depth chart
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I have to agree. Gotta assume it’s due to no real historical evidence of successful DII QBs in the NFL?
That being said he looked really good. I also dont expect him to be starting caliber NFL QB but he’s intriguing, especially given his story. Takes over the reins and is very successful at WV HS football power, really good grades. Puts up huge numbers but has no FBS offers. Goes to a local D2, again, puts up MASSIVE stats. Regardless of the level, 2040 college attempts and less than 50 INTs is wild. His 2021 year was 580 attempts, 5000 yards, 53 TDs and only 13 INTs, sheesh. Then to come in and go 9/10 in your first NFL action, says something about his accuracy and confidence.
I think he’s probably the Bears #2 at this point, though Peterman likely is officially on the depth chart
Yeah, I agree with all this. I don’t know what Bagent’s ceiling is, and that’s a good thing. He may turn into a competent QB2, and I’d be more than happy with that.
He may end up being a preseason one hit wonder, but it definitely feels like there eventually could be something there with him if he develops.
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I love Bears preseason hype.
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I love Bears preseason hype.
God bless ya, wouldn’t be an NFL season without your hot takes here.
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God bless ya, wouldn’t be an NFL season without your hot takes here.
His hot takes aren’t limited to the NFL/Bears.
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Who should start? Tyson Bagent or Fieids?
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Stevenson High School/Purdue legend Aidan O'Connell is obviously the top rookie QB this year.
@SharpFootball
Among 48 QBs with 20+ preseason dropbacks
no one is throwing it deeper than rookie Aidan O'Connell
11.0 air yards/att (#1)
still has completed 72% of his 30 att for 8.4 YPA
out of 48 QBs he ranks:
#1 in EPA/att
#2 in success %
#1 in first down %
#1 in TD %
#1 in 3rd down %
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If you guys like Bagent, you must LOVE Sean Clifford.
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O’Connell & Clifford were drafted (4th & 5th round). My surprise with Bagent is that he went undrafted, considering his bloodlines, only second D2 player to get a Senior Bowl invitation, and all the records he set.
O’Connell & Clifford are going to be on the 53 man roster come opening day.
I am curious why Cleveland hasn’t played Watson a snap yet, and DTR certainly has shown something. League will certainly be better with competent backup QB’s.
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God bless ya, wouldn’t be an NFL season without your hot takes here.
Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their “dude,” were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.
Good stuff meat.
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Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their “dude,” were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.
Good stuff meat.
Looking forward to it, see ya around kiddo.
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Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their “dude,” were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.
Good stuff meat.
Heard JFB rawdogged your grandma again.
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I have to agree. Gotta assume it’s due to no real historical evidence of successful DII QBs in the NFL?
That being said he looked really good. I also dont expect him to be starting caliber NFL QB but he’s intriguing, especially given his story. Takes over the reins and is very successful at WV HS football power, really good grades. Puts up huge numbers but has no FBS offers. Goes to a local D2, again, puts up MASSIVE stats. Regardless of the level, 2040 college attempts and less than 50 INTs is wild. His 2021 year was 580 attempts, 5000 yards, 53 TDs and only 13 INTs, sheesh. Then to come in and go 9/10 in your first NFL action, says something about his accuracy and confidence.
I think he’s probably the Bears #2 at this point, though Peterman likely is officially on the depth chart
Terry Bradshaw, Dan Pastorini, and Jim Zorn are a few that come to mind. I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
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Terry Bradshaw, Dan Pastorini, and Jim Zorn are a few that come to mind. I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
Neil Lomax.
The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.
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Dave Krieg. Milton, anyone?
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Ken Anderson, Augustana - DIII
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Yes. My hot takes. Not the Bears fans who not only have their “dude,” were talking Playoffs after week 3, and then claiming that they were rooting for 0-17 all along and are now claiming they might have something here in an undrafted D2 QB because of a preseason game. Very logical and level headed takes by the Bears fans here, and I have hot takes laughing at the idea of Bagent being an NFL player.
Good stuff meat.
So instead of any defense of your birdbrained takes, you just prove his point by mocking other people. Not to mention Bagent has been talked about by football people all over the internet the last few days the same way Dish did, not some reactionary hot take by a meatball homer.
And again, your babbling isn't a take, its you being a douche without any logical standing for your opinions based on lord knows what.
Neil Lomax.
The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.
Yea and guys like Lomax and Bradshaw were FCS QBs in modern terms, more like Joe Flacco or Trey Lance than a true DII these days. Not only was Bradshaw the first pick overall, looking at his schedule in college, he was playing teams like Miss St, Southern Miss, NMSU, and Bama, in addition to FCS opponents.
Abilene Christian University was last DII I can recall regularly sending guys to the NFL (but not QBs) but they also moved to FCS like other strong former DII programs.
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So instead of any defense of your birdbrained takes, you just prove his point by mocking other people. Not to mention Bagent has been talked about by football people all over the internet the last few days the same way Dish did, not some reactionary hot take by a meatball homer.
And again, your babbling isn't a take, its you being a douche without any logical standing for your opinions based on lord knows what.
Yea and guys like Lomax and Bradshaw were FCS QBs in modern terms, more like Joe Flacco or Trey Lance than a true DII these days. Not only was Bradshaw the first pick overall, looking at his schedule in college, he was playing teams like Miss St, Southern Miss, NMSU, and Bama, in addition to FCS opponents.
Abilene Christian University was last DII I can recall regularly sending guys to the NFL (but not QBs) but they also moved to FCS like other strong former DII programs.
Uh huh. No logical standing for my opinion, because there are so many former D2 QBs that went undrafted that are immediately the backup QB of their team in the NFL week 1 of their rookie year. Every bit of information we have goes directly against my thought that we should pump the breaks on calling this guy a productive NFL player based on a single preseason performance.
Not to mention, he's a Bears quarterback. I forgot they've had so many awesome quarterbacks in their history.
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Neil Lomax.
The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.
With the proliferation of video, and college scouting becoming an industry unto itself, it's pretty hard for a D1 talent - much less an NFL talent - to fall through the cracks these days.
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Uh huh. No logical standing for my opinion, because there are so many former D2 QBs that went undrafted that are immediately the backup QB of their team in the NFL week 1 of their rookie year. Every bit of information we have goes directly against my thought that we should pump the breaks on calling this guy a productive NFL player based on a single preseason performance.
Not to mention, he's a Bears quarterback. I forgot they've had so many awesome quarterbacks in their history.
Literally nobody called him a productive NFL player. All that was spoken of was surprising that he went undrafted and he looks like an unexpectedly intriguing prospect for an undrafted DII player. Dish even further said he could easily be a 1 hit wonder. PJ Walker and Peterman are known commodities who stink, so slotting someone above them on a depth chart for the remainder of preseason isn't even remarkable.
You extrapolated a thought into a false premise that nobody was arguing to try and smugly dunk on people...and instead airballed the layup.
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Literally nobody called him a productive NFL player. All that was spoken of was surprising that he went undrafted and he looks like an unexpectedly intriguing prospect for an undrafted DII player. Dish even further said he could easily be a 1 hit wonder. PJ Walker and Peterman are known commodities who stink, so slotting someone above them on a depth chart for the remainder of preseason isn't even remarkable.
You extrapolated a thought into a false premise that nobody was arguing to try and smugly dunk on people...and instead airballed the layup.
If you ask me, by definition if you're a player on the 53 man roster every week for a full season you're a productive NFL player. And I'd assume the Bears will keep more than 1 QB on their 53 man roster, so if this undrafted rookie FA is QB2 for the Bears, he'll be on the 53 man every week.
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If you ask me, by definition if you're a player on the 53 man roster every week for a full season you're a productive NFL player. And I'd assume the Bears will keep more than 1 QB on their 53 man roster, so if this undrafted rookie FA is QB2 for the Bears, he'll be on the 53 man every week.
“If you ask me”. LOL. Nobody has. Ever. But by all means continue to share your “insights” on any subject. Everyone can use a good laugh.
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“If you ask me”. LOL. Nobody has. Ever. But by all means continue to share your “insights” on any subject. Everyone can use a good laugh.
Agreed. I am getting a good laugh at Bears fans hyping up an undrafted D2 kid. Maybe all you Bears fans can have him under center and move your "dude" to his natural position.
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I have a family obligation that I can't get out of, and now have two tickets I'm looking to sell for Bears/Packers on opening day, in Section 103, Row 3. I'm selling them for lower than what they'd go for on StubHub, if anyone's interested, send me a PM, thanks.
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Calvin Ridley a great addition for Jags
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/07/calvin-ridley-jaguars-rust-training-camp/
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https://www.jaguars.com/news/lawrence-addresses-confidence-and-preparation-headed-into-jaguars-preseason-week
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Found this excellent ..
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1611emq/lf/
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Found this excellent ..
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1611emq/lf/
I'll take the over on wins this season.
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Jags have some threats on the offensive side
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https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/27/trevor-lawrence-jaguars-calvin-ridley-chemistry/
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Cowboys explain Trey Lance trade
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2023/08/27/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-explains-trey-lance-trade-with-49ers/70694979007/
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Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?
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Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?
Lance, and it's not close. He was always years away from being ready before injuries got in the way. The 49ers roster never set up as one that was going to be patient for him, even if things went well
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Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?
Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?
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Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?
Cuz shooting to match Trubisky is what every teams aspires for their QBs.
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Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?
Navy was bad. Trubisky was bad. Bears quarterback history is awful.
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Navy was bad. Trubisky was bad. Bears quarterback history is awful.
That’s kinda the point to the question in the thread, Sully. As bad as that trade and pick were considering the alternatives, he wasn’t a flop like Lance. In fact, as I stated, he incredibly is the Bears career leader in some key QB stats. Sid Luckman wasn’t all that.
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That’s kinda the point to the question in the thread, Sully. As bad as that trade and pick were considering the alternatives, he wasn’t a flop like Lance. In fact, as I stated, he incredibly is the Bears career leader in some key QB stats. Sid Luckman wasn’t all that.
Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let’s be real here.
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Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let’s be real here.
Here is the question I answered, Sully. Seems like we agree. Try to follow along with the conversation.
Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?
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I’m not pick expert, but I think the what the 9ers had to give up were much more than the Bears traded for Trubisky. So makes that pick look even worse in my opinion.
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In a vacuum, Lance was a far worse pick than Mitchell.
If you factor in opportunity cost, i.e. the quarterbacks the Bears had available to them instead, things even out a bit.
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I was wrong about Bagent. There's definitely something there. The Bears might have the best QB room in all of football. History, even.
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Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let’s be real here.
Complete flop isn't entirely fair. Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick? Absolutely. But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse. With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter. Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops. Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.
In a vacuum, Lance was a far worse pick than Mitchell.
If you factor in opportunity cost, i.e. the quarterbacks the Bears had available to them instead, things even out a bit.
Yea, i think the number of firsts the Niners gave up for Lance still sort of pushes it that way. Mahomes obviously was a miss for the Bears, but tons of people missed on him, I don't know if it was even in play at the time. And well, Watson is a tricky assessment...
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Life comes at you fast in the NFL.
https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/1696215073520263480?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Life comes at you fast in the NFL.
https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/1696215073520263480?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Taking one from the Packers playbook.
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Complete flop isn't entirely fair. Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick? Absolutely. But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse. With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter. Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops. Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.
I will give you Haskins and Rosen. But Darnold and Trubisky have pretty similar stats.
Furthermore I would suggest that "incredibly dissapointing for a top 3 pick" pretty much means a flop.
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I will give you Haskins and Rosen. But Darnold and Trubisky have pretty similar stats.
Furthermore I would suggest that "incredibly dissapointing for a top 3 pick" pretty much means a flop.
Thats fair. I was thinking more Darnold failing as a starter with not 1, but 2 teams. But otherwise sure.
And I guess I was more thinking bust. I don't think Trubisky was a true bust, but I wouldn't oppose the word "flop"
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Complete flop isn't entirely fair. Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick? Absolutely. But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse. With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter. Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops. Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.
Yea, i think the number of firsts the Niners gave up for Lance still sort of pushes it that way. Mahomes obviously was a miss for the Bears, but tons of people missed on him, I don't know if it was even in play at the time. And well, Watson is a tricky assessment...
Trubisky clearly underperformed his NFL Draft and Combine Profile. Often times these combine metrics and college scouting miss the true essence of a player.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mitchell-trubisky/32005452-5521-5336-8519-c8cb45ea9b74
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We all know my thoughts on tanking in the NFL, if you’re going to be bad, be really bad. I admire the Cardinals openly tanking, but I don’t know how they get out of Murray’s contract anytime soon. Murray will cost $81 M in a dead cap hit in ‘24. He’d have $60 M in dead cap combined from ‘25 - ‘27.
They conceivably could have the top 2 picks this year (would have to think Harrison would be one of those picks). Will be really interesting to see if they stuck with Murray or sought a ransom for the first overall pick (if they land it).
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Interesting that the Packers had talks on acquiring Jonathan Taylor.
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'Cuz they finally figured out #10 can't throw worth a chit, hey?
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Interesting that the Packers had talks on acquiring Jonathan Taylor.
Gutey seems to evaluate RBs higher than most NFL GMs do these days, and I think this is going to be Jones' last year in Green Bay. Probably thinks Taylor is a better alternative to AJ Dillon.
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'Cuz they finally figured out #10 can't throw worth a chit, hey?
Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?
Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?
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Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?
Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?
He's been fine with pretty simple gameplans against vanilla defenses. We will see when it becomes real.
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#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?
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#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?
We will see.
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#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?
How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.
Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.
The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."
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How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.
Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.
The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."
Didn’t you just ask about his outlook? If the only correct opinion is to not have one until these things called “games” occur, why even ask about it?
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Didn’t you just ask about his outlook? If the only correct opinion is to not have one until these things called “games” occur, why even ask about it?
Nope. I asked 2 questions and neither was about his outlook.
Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?
Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?
Doc Dribble's non-response response:
#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?
Only then did I bring up the outlook:
How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.
Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.
The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."
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Nads, you've watched lottsa football, as have I. Obviously, as a distinguished writer of sports your expertise in this matta is far greater than mine. However, my opinion remains that #10 is no better than pedestrian, hey?
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Nads, you've watched lottsa football, as have I. Obviously, as a distinguished writer of sports your expertise in this matta is far greater than mine. However, my opinion remains that #10 is no better than pedestrian, hey?
We all have opinions, and you've clearly stated yours about Jordan Love - you are certain he will fail.
You might prove to have been right about him. I have absolutely no expertise when it comes to him, as the only dozen passes I've ever seen him throw were in highlights; the only thing I know about his all-around ability is what Packer coaches, fans such as yourself, and national pundits say.
The general vibe from what I've read on The Athletic and elsewhere seems to be that he had a pretty good preseason. But lots of guys are preseason superstars and regular-season bums.
The good thing is that, starting Sept. 10, we'll soon get to see how good he is or isn't.
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I’d be pretty excited if Love was a league average QB this year.
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Hockenson better put up
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How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.
Did anyone, other than a hysterical blowhard after an early INT actually say that about Rodgers? He was a top 10 finalist for the Heisman, would have been the best QB in any conference not named the Pac 10 (which had the Heisman Winner on the nation's best team), and was widely discussed as a potential #1 pick.
Love wasn't even first team all MWC and was a surprise pick in the first round. I understand your overall point, but I feel like perceptions at the start are very different.
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Did anyone, other than a hysterical blowhard after an early INT actually say that about Rodgers? He was a top 10 finalist for the Heisman, would have been the best QB in any conference not named the Pac 10 (which had the Heisman Winner on the nation's best team), and was widely discussed as a potential #1 pick.
Some good bad takes on Rodgers.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=374643429811544
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=757143088033969
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As I said, Wags, I don't follow the Packers. But based on what Pakuni just posted, I guess there were some negative views on Rodgers after he spent 3 years holding Favre's clipboard.
And what Pak posted didn't even include what Scoopers might have said, and we can be a hyperbolic bunch.
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Is it season record projection time yet?
I'll start; Bears 6-11. 100% win increase!
Still too young across the board to move into the top half of the league. Not sold on Fields and, as of today, I don't think the idea of the Bears packaging picks to move up to get a top 3 pick next year is too crazy.
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Bigger question is do Bears fans start discussing paths to the Playoffs if they start 2-1 like they did last year? And then, with the losses piling up, claim they wanted the Bears to lose as many games as possible down the stretch of the season?
Packers 7-10.
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Same old Lions until they prove differently. And by 'prove differently', I mean a playoff win.
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Bigger question is do Bears fans start discussing paths to the Playoffs if they start 2-1 like they did last year? And then, with the losses piling up, claim they wanted the Bears to lose as many games as possible down the stretch of the season?
Packers 7-10.
LOL. I was not that guy, I was called out for saying 0-17 was a possibility for da' Bears. ('22 preseason prediction was 3-14).
I have no feeling for the Pack. 5 or 12 wins would not surprise me. It's all about the Love.
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Is it season record projection time yet?
I'll start; Bears 6-11. 100% win increase!
Still too young across the board to move into the top half of the league. Not sold on Fields and, as of today, I don't think the idea of the Bears packaging picks to move up to get a top 3 pick next year is too crazy.
No way for me. Regardless of Fields, it’s not like this team is just a QB away from contending. Blowing a bunch of picks in a so so QB draft when there are so many other spots of need isn’t something I’m interested in right now
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No way for me. Regardless of Fields, it’s not like this team is just a QB away from contending. Blowing a bunch of picks in a so so QB draft when there are so many other spots of need isn’t something I’m interested in right now
Nailed it wags
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Lions 7-10
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No way for me. Regardless of Fields, it’s not like this team is just a QB away from contending. Blowing a bunch of picks in a so so QB draft when there are so many other spots of need isn’t something I’m interested in right now
I tend to agree with you. I'm just saying the the odds that Chicago drafts Caleb Williams are not that long. I think the Bears would be in the top 10 of possible teams. Again, not my preference but its possible.
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Jags looking to have a solid season
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/lists/jaguars-questions-2023-season-preview/
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/travis-kelce-as-sick-as-a-new-banner-sounds-im-over-last-year
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/travis-kelce-as-sick-as-a-new-banner-sounds-im-over-last-year
I'm sure I speak for all Bears fans, "I'm over last year" too. :D
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2023/09/06/nick-bosa-contract-san-francisco-niners-highest-paid-defender/70776408007/
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Joe Burrow says he is Ready To Go
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bengals-joe-burrow-ready-to-go-week-1-browns
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From ESPN:
Among Bryce Young’s opening-day challenges: Quarterbacks drafted 1st overall are 0-13-1 in their first career start over the last 20 years. The last to win was David Carr in 2002, when the Texans beat the Cowboys in the first game in franchise history.
I guess that stat shouldn't be too surprising, as the team drafting first overall almost always sucks, and there is a major learning curve to the position. But still ... 0-13-1. Yikes.
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FAKE PUNT
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Lions are winning the Super Bowl
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Chiefs are winning the Super Bowl
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Bears are winning the superbowl
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Nice catch by MVS
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Nice catch by MVS
Too bad Rodgers ran him out of Green Bay
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Bears are winning the superbowl
Heh
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Lions leave points on the field with a fumble. Can’t do it on the road against the leagues best QB
Mahomes manages to get in the end zone twice without his best receiver (some QBs would go on radio shows and complain about inexperienced wideouts and te’s).
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Mahomes with a pick-6 … on a perfectly-thrown pass that went right through the receiver’s hands.
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Must be nice that your RT gets to false start every play.
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Must be nice that your RT gets to false start every play.
It's so bizarre that it hasn't been called. It is very obvious. And apparently he isn't even lined up legally.
For that to continue uncalled the entire game is strange.
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Unnecessary gimmick.
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Did Toney bet against his own team in this game?
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Why did KC go for it on 4th and 25 with three time outs?
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The Chiefs receiving box score is something tonight.
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Needed Kelsey, not Toney.
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Some really weird fourth down decisions on both sides tonight.
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The NFC North has been decided.
Chicago, Green Bay, and Minneapolis are all playing for a Wild Card.
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Impressive win by the Lions. Congrats to them and their fans.
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That game felt like if Nagy had Mahomes in Chicago.
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Some really weird fourth down decisions on both sides tonight.
Agree, although I loved Campbell's decision to go on 4th-and-2 with about 3 minutes left. You punt the ball to Mahomes with a 1-point lead and that much time on the clock, you're asking for trouble. Instead, you try to win the game by making 2 yards.
That the Lions failed to make the first down but then stopped Mahomes anyway ... outstanding for them.
Kinda related (and others have mentioned it, too) ...
It is unfathomable how many passes KC receivers dropped in this game, including one that literally gifted a TD to Detroit.
It wasn't the best any of us have seen Mahomes play, but he did more than enough to win that game without even needing heroics at the end. But Toney and the rest of Edward Bobblehands crew denied him. Saying KC missed Kelce is the understatement of the year.
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Agree, although I loved Campbell's decision to go on 4th-and-2 with about 3 minutes left. You punt the ball to Mahomes with a 1-point lead and that much time on the clock, you're asking for trouble. Instead, you try to win the game by making 2 yards.
Chefs still had three timeouts and the two-minute warning, so a first down doesn't win the game there.
I don't think the risk-reward was worth it. Not converting basically put the Chefs within 20 yards of a GW field goal. Punt and make them go another 40.
Fortunately for the Lions, Mahomes" receivers don't like catching the ball.
Reid's decision to go on 4th and 20+ was even worse, given that they still had three timeouts.
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Chefs still had three timeouts and the two-minute warning, so a first down doesn't win the game there.
I don't think the risk-reward was worth it. Not converting basically put the Chefs within 20 yards of a GW field goal. Punt and make them go another 40.
Fortunately for the Lions, Mahomes" receivers don't like catching the ball.
Reid's decision to go on 4th and 20+ was even worse, given that they still had three timeouts.
No a first down doesn't win the game so I misspoke there, but you make a first down and KC has to burn all 3 time-outs. And if you make a second one, the game's over. Mahomes usually can go 40 yards in his sleep, but I definitely get where you're coming from. I'm certainly not saying it was a slam-dunk call, just one I liked.
Totally agree about Reid going for it on 4th-and-20 (and 4th-and-25). That's basically a Hail Mary, and it wasn't necessary there.
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Big win for Lions
But KC basically handed them that game. Could not have possibly been worse.
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The gimmick play on third and 1when they had been moving the ball changed the game. Reid is an offensive genius, but that was the time to trust the offensive line.
But, hey, thanks! A nice win.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2023/09/08/chiefs-lions-winners-losers-patrick-mahomes-kadarius-toney-jared-goff/70792465007/
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The gimmick play on third and 1when they had been moving the ball changed the game. Reid is an offensive genius, but that was the time to trust the offensive line.
But, hey, thanks! A nice win.
That had Matt Nagy written all over it. He loves sweep plays that don’t work
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That had Matt Nagy written all over it. He loves sweep plays that don’t work
Exactly. Matt thinks he's smarter than the league when in fact he is a box of rocks.
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Sneak the ball with the 250 lb tight end behind the jumbo package or let the best quarterback in the game make a play.
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Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC? Goff? Dak? Geno? Daniel Jones? Cousins? Bagent? (Sorry, had to)
And who's the third best team? Cowboys? Giants? Lions?
Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.
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Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC? Goff? Dak? Geno? Daniel Jones? Cousins? Bagent? (Sorry, had to)
And who's the third best team? Cowboys? Giants? Lions?
Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.
And who is the 5th best WR?...I'm not sure the jury is clear on who the best NFC QB is, or who are the top 2 teams, nonetheless other who is 3rd etc.
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And who is the 5th best WR?...I'm not sure the jury is clear on who the best NFC QB is, or who are the top 2 teams, nonetheless other who is 3rd etc.
I think Hurts is pretty significantly better than anyone else. And I think the Eagles are the best team with a decent gap between them and the 49ers. I think the 9ers are definitely the second best, but with their QB play you never know.
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Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC? Goff? Dak? Geno? Daniel Jones? Cousins? Bagent? (Sorry, had to)
And who's the third best team? Cowboys? Giants? Lions?
Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.
One game has been played. None of those questions have a definitively right answer at the moment.
As far as AFC vs NFC, you may be right, but these things are cyclical. Wait a couple of years.
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One game has been played. None of those questions have a definitively right answer at the moment.
As far as AFC vs NFC, you may be right, but these things are cyclical. Wait a couple of years.
I realize that. Projecting ahead for this season.
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That game felt like if Nagy had Mahomes in Chicago.
Nagy was in Chicago?
Due to my human instinct for emotional well being, Lovie and Ditka were the last two coaches I remember.
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Marc Trestman is just a toll booth attendant to me
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https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/paige-spiranac-picks-jets-to-make-super-bowl-in-2023-nfl-predictions/amp/
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I think Hurts is pretty significantly better than anyone else. And I think the Eagles are the best team with a decent gap between them and the 49ers. I think the 9ers are definitely the second best, but with their QB play you never know.
I'm notoriously bad at predicting anything about NFL leaders, so my opinion is worth pretty much nothing. But I'm not as high on Hurts right now.
Also, I'm expecting the 49ers at the very least (and maybe Philly) to take serious steps backwards. I'm not sold on the 49ers as the 2nd best team at all. I'd put Philly up there though.
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Must be nice that your RT gets to false start every play.
The Lions didn't complain because he was tipping plays.
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The Lions didn't complain because he was tipping plays.
I started to realize that you could tell if it was a pass or run based on how he lined up, and then realized that there was likely a reason the Lions didn't complain.
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NFL Network Jags Colts preview . Trevor Lawerence is a rising star who is fun to watch.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4KkmokxKxKY&si=356jQsIaSjL0jOUd
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Great Lawrence to Ridley play for Jags touchdown. Think we will be seeing a lot of that this season.
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Mid-way through the Vikings' first quarter, I can state that their season will end like all others.
That knowledge saves a lot of Sundays.
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Colts Anthony Richardson an exciting player . Question is can his body withstand the beatings from all the runs over the course of a season.
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I'm notoriously bad at predicting anything about NFL leaders, so my opinion is worth pretty much nothing. But I'm not as high on Hurts right now.
Also, I'm expecting the 49ers at the very least (and maybe Philly) to take serious steps backwards. I'm not sold on the 49ers as the 2nd best team at all. I'd put Philly up there though.
The 49ers going out and proving once again, that I know nothing about NFL football.
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Jaguars should be moved to a city with better fans
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Colts going to have an interesting offense when Jonathan Taylor comes back.
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Vikings look hilariously mediocre.
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Colts Anthony Richardson an exciting player . Question is can his body withstand the beatings from all the runs over the course of a season.
Anthony Just took a vicious hit, trying to run it in, and got knocked out of game. Super first game for him.
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not a fan of the Cilts head coach. Kick the field goal, then attempt the onside kick
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not a fan of the Cilts head coach. Kick the field goal, then attempt the onside kick
I agree with this analysis
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Anthony Just took a vicious hit, trying to run it in, and got knocked out of game. Super first game for him.
He’ll get run into the ground faster than RGIII
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Don’t like the “End Racism” slogan in the end zones. Go woke, go broke.
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Fields is a nice running back.
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Fields is a nice running back.
Very spotty tackling by the Packers so far.
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Rough debut for the NFL's #1 draft pick.
Bryce Young was picked off twice - never saw the DB and looked like he was throwing right to him. Also, though very accurate at Bama, he struggled with his accuracy today. Missed what could have been a 99-yard TD pass when the game was still close.
It's rarely easy for rookie QBs. I'm still glad my team has him.
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No idea if any of these bears players are any good.
But these bears coaches are not.
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No idea if any of these bears players are any good.
But these bears coaches are not.
No, no they are not
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No idea if any of these bears players are any good.
But these bears coaches are not.
Defense has to be elite if you don’t have a QB.
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Braxton Jones, two holding penalties, a false start, and one brutal ole. Not great.
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Bears coaching staff loves:
- first down runs up the middle
- wr screens/quick hits
- 3rd and long soft coverages
Bears coaching staff dislikes:
- getting the ball to their playmakers on offense
- moving the pocket
- RPOs
- attacking an untested QB
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Not a dude.
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First time Fields has a clean pocket all day and just a brutal decision. That’s a terrible throw
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First time Fields has a clean pocket all day and just a brutal decision. That’s a terrible throw
Tyson Bagent, your table is ready!
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Bears trade for 2 WR.
Bears defensive HC gets multiple big-money defensive FA and spends several 2-5 picks on defense.
And this is the result?
Fire this coaching staff into the sun.
Hard to tell if Fields is a QB. Do they trust him to do anything more than hand off up the middle or throw a WR screen until the game is out of hand?
Down 2 scores in the 4th and they called a QB run up the middle.
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Love’s played really well, his poise has been outstanding. No reason to think if everyone stays healthy that the Pack can’t win the North. Aaron Jones hopefully nothing big with his hammy, just a beast this afternoon.
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Bears trade for 2 WR.
Bears defensive HC gets multiple big-money defensive FA and spends several 2-5 picks on defense.
And this is the result?
Fire this coaching staff into the sun.
Hard to tell if Fields is a QB. Do they trust him to do anything more than hand off up the middle or throw a WR screen until the game is out of hand?
Down 2 scores in the 4th and they called a QB run up the middle.
Fields isn’t a quarterback. Sorry but he is making the same exact mistakes he has been for the past three years. At least today Love looks way better.
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Fields isn’t a quarterback. Sorry but he is making the same exact mistakes he has been for the past three years. At least today Love looks way better.
That sucks for the Bears, but, oh well?
Let him throw the ball around and end up with 2 top 5 picks next season and take a QB.
Or, by some miracle, letting him throw it actually develops him? I dunno
Today's offensive game plan was BAD.
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New England with a chance to take the lead after being down 16-0.
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Here's the list of serviceable QB's the Chicago Bears have had in their entire history:
Sid Luckman
Jim McMahon.
Think about that for a moment. And what purpose does Getsy serve?
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Start the clock on Caleb Williams
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The Bears GM inherited Fields. No guarantees Fields will be back. Fields has to become a top tier QB or he gawn.
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The Bears GM inherited Fields. No guarantees Fields will be back. Fields has to become a top tier QB or he gawn.
And what exactly are the chances he becomes a top tier QB? 10%?
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The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.
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And what exactly are the chances he becomes a top tier QB? 10%?
Sounds about right. I thought 50% before the season.
The Bears had no expectation of a winning season so they have the luxury to let him prove it or not.
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Here's the list of serviceable QB's the Chicago Bears have had in their entire history:
Sid Luckman
Jim McMahon.
Think about that for a moment. And what purpose does Getsy serve?
Muggsy:
I would add Billy Wade who led Bears to 63 NFL Championship. Was a two time All Pro
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/03/10/bill-wade-vanderbilt-football-nfl-chicago-bears/72526512/
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To be fair to Fields, the Bears defense was equally awful today. The head coach is supposed to be a defensive guru? Fields isn't the only one on the hot seat.
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Sounds about right. I thought 50% before the season.
The Bears had no expectation of a winning season so they have the luxury to let him prove it or not.
Thus far, they have not allowed him to prove it. Which is a dumb decision
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Thus far, they have not allowed him to prove it. Which is a dumb decision
I don't know what you mean "not allowed him to prove it." Are people thinking he is being let down by limiting the playbook or something?
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The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.
Mel Tucker to the Bears? 8-)
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I don't know what you mean "not allowed him to prove it." Are people thinking he is being let down by limiting the playbook or something?
I guess I see an overwhelming number of screen passes called. So, my assumption, is the staff isn't calling plays for him to throw the ball downfield
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I guess I see an overwhelming number of screen passes called. So, my assumption, is the staff isn't calling plays for him to throw the ball downfield
They can’t protect him to go deep often
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They can’t protect him to go deep often
And I haven't seen much from him when he does. A lot of mistakes like the Quay Walker interception.
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And I haven't seen much from him when he does. A lot of mistakes like the Quay Walker interception.
Yup, that is also true. They did nothing today to work DJ Moore open. It’s probably early to say that’s a dead staff coaching on that side of the ball but they haven’t been good
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To be fair to Fields, the Bears defense was equally awful today. The head coach is supposed to be a defensive guru? Fields isn't the only one on the hot seat.
Fair point. If the two of us took over the Bulls and the Bears we would likely be better with 0.0 experience imo.
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Muggsy:
I would add Billy Wade who led Bears to 63 NFL Championship. Was a two time All Pro
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/03/10/bill-wade-vanderbilt-football-nfl-chicago-bears/72526512/
My bad Herman. But boy is that franchise a disaster.
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My bad Herman. But boy is that franchise a disaster.
I knew Billy Wade personally. He hated Chicago
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Yup, that is also true. They did nothing today to work DJ Moore open. It’s probably early to say that’s a dead staff coaching on that side of the ball but they haven’t been good
Seems a combination of Fields poor play and being too quick all day to pull it down and run and poor game planning by Bears. He had what about two or three targets all day?! That’s inexcusable.
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I just looked at the Bears' schedule. Will they win 5 games?
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This is a great day for scoop. Packer fans get a win. Beat fans get a great result ;D
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The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.
I hadn’t thought of that, but wow that is true Muggsy. The Cubs are it right now. Although I guess Blackhawks may have a franchise changing player as the no 1 overall this year. But it’s pretty grim.
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The level of Chicago sports, both pro and college, is cataclysmicly awful and a total embarrassment.
is it any worse than New York?
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Fields was fine in the first half. Nothing earth shattering but made good throws and good decisions. His QB rating was like 115-120 when I looked just after half. But the offensive game plan was anemic. He started to force a lot in the second, which is stupid, and that interception was horrible.
I don’t think the offensive game plan is purely what is holding Fields back, but it’s certainly not putting him in a position to succeed. The O Line is college level at best
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Fields was fine in the first half. Nothing earth shattering but made good throws and good decisions. His QB rating was like 115-120 when I looked just after half. But the offensive game plan was anemic. He started to force a lot in the second, which is stupid, and that interception was horrible.
I don’t think the offensive game plan is purely what is holding Fields back, but it’s certainly not putting him in a position to succeed. The O Line is college level at best
Did their line have injuries coming in to today?
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Man, are the Giants this bad, or is Dallas that good?
Daniel Jones is making Fields look like a franchise player.
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Delighted to see Raiders over Broncos. Always nice to see Sean Payton on the losing end of things .
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Here's the list of serviceable QB's the Chicago Bears have had in their entire history:
Sid Luckman
Jim McMahon.
Think about that for a moment. And what purpose does Getsy serve?
Jay Cutler had his warts, but it's nuts to suggest he wasn't a serviceable NFL quarterback.
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Man, are the Giants this bad, or is Dallas that good?
Daniel Jones is making Fields look like a franchise player.
The only thing I can say is average teams don't loose 40-0 even against great teams.
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Rams win.
Chargers lose.
All is well in SoCal.
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Maybe only be interesting to me and Dish, but road dogs went 7-4 straight up and 9-2 ATS this weekend.
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Jay Cutler had his warts, but it's nuts to suggest he wasn't a serviceable NFL quarterback.
Serviceable until the gane mattered. The guy had talent but nothing between the ears Pakuni. It's astonishing how bad the QB's have been for this franchise.
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Sean Payton was praised for being bold and brilliant when he decided to start the second half of the Saints' 2010 Super Bowl appearance with an onside kick. New Orleans recovered, scored, and went on to win.
So what the heck ... he opened his Broncos coaching career with an onside kick. But the Broncos didn't recover, and the Raiders used the short field to take a quick 7-0 lead in a game that would go on to be decided by 1 point.
It's only bold and brilliant when it works.
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Talk on Chicago radio (maybe wishful thinking?) that Claypool may get cut. I didn't see the game but the assessment was he was unprofessional and embarrassing on the field. Can anyone give me color on his play, or lack there of?
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Talk on Chicago radio (maybe wishful thinking?) that Claypool may get cut. I didn't see the game but the assessment was he was unprofessional and embarrassing on the field. Can anyone give me color on his play, or lack there of?
https://twitter.com/downbadbears/status/1700987491262890495
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Talk on Chicago radio (maybe wishful thinking?) that Claypool may get cut. I didn't see the game but the assessment was he was unprofessional and embarrassing on the field. Can anyone give me color on his play, or lack there of?
Greg Olsen, the Fox analyst, twice criticized Claypool for being unwilling to block on quick-hitters to fellow receivers. Indeed, not only didn't Claypool block, he actually got in his teammates' way, and the GB defense blew up the plays.
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JB, how were your seats? What was the atmosphere in the stadium?
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Greg Olsen, the Fox analyst, twice criticized Claypool for being unwilling to block on quick-hitters to fellow receivers. Indeed, not only didn't Claypool block, he actually got in his teammates' way, and the GB defense blew up the plays.
Sound like the right guy to have on a young team. :o
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Sound like the right guy to have on a young team. :o
Can you cut a guy less than a year after you essentially gave up a first-round pick for him?
I think you should, if you really believe he's that much of a detriment. If you're going to fail, fail fast. But not many NFL GMs have egos that would allow them to s quickly admit such a big mistake.
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Greg Olsen, the Fox analyst, twice criticized Claypool for being unwilling to block on quick-hitters to fellow receivers. Indeed, not only didn't Claypool block, he actually got in his teammates' way, and the GB defense blew up the plays.
https://twitter.com/NicholasMoreano/status/1701221995008938441?s=20
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Per Fields Post game: "the horizontal passing game was the game plan"
Jfc
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https://twitter.com/NicholasMoreano/status/1701221995008938441?s=20
Doesn't help that the Packers defense did not have to worry about a throw more than 5 yards down field. Easy to defend bubble screens when that's all you have to worry about.
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Doesn't help that the Packers defense did not have to worry about a throw more than 5 yards down field. Easy to defend bubble screens when that's all you have to worry about.
C'mon. Fields threw 3 passes that traveled more than 10 yards downfield. ;D
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The power of the NFL:
If there was a pressure point for a short-term end to The Walt Disney Company and Charter Communications dispute, it was tonight’s high-profile “Monday Night Football” opener between the Buffalo Bills and New York Jets. That’s a significant game on the sports calendar given the New York debut of Aaron Rodgers, featuring two Spectrum market teams.
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Can you cut a guy less than a year after you essentially gave up a first-round pick for him?
I think you should, if you really believe he's that much of a detriment. If you're going to fail, fail fast. But not many NFL GMs have egos that would allow them to s quickly admit such a big mistake.
Can they? Yes. Will they? I think that will be another data point to determine the Bears commitment to winning. The 49er were willing to cut bait on a much bigger investment. They are committed to winning. I also believe Bill Belichick would cut him today from the videos I saw of his effort.
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The power of the NFL:
If there was a pressure point for a short-term end to The Walt Disney Company and Charter Communications dispute, it was tonight’s high-profile “Monday Night Football” opener between the Buffalo Bills and New York Jets. That’s a significant game on the sports calendar given the New York debut of Aaron Rodgers, featuring two Spectrum market teams.
Yep, pressure to miss out on NFL got the deal done. Looks like more revenue for Disney/ESPN.
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Yep, pressure to miss out on NFL got the deal done. Looks like more revenue for Disney/ESPN.
The NFL never loses
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Man, are the Giants this bad, or is Dallas that good?
Daniel Jones is making Fields look like a franchise player.
Yeah, the Giants laid a large egg last night. It amazes that the QBs and RBs get the big buck when it should be all those guys on the OL.
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Yeah, the Giants laid a large egg last night. It amazes that the QBs and RBs get the big buck when it should be all those guys on the OL.
There are 2 diff OL who make more than Barkley...
And if you're talking in the league, OL make VASTLY more than RBs
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Jalen Carter - 6 pressures and a sack.
But the Bears got a borderline pro bowl receiver who couldn’t even breathe when Jaire covered him.
The problems all start at the top.
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There are 2 diff OL who make more than Barkley...
And if you're talking in the league, OL make VASTLY more than RBs
Not only that, but they invested the #4 overall pick in 2020, #7 overall in 2022 and #57 overall in 2023 on offensive lineman.
Say what you want about the Giants, but they haven't minimized their investment in the offensive line.
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40 year old QB has health issues. Odd.
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If Rogers makes it through this season in one piece it will be a miracle
Wait, did he get hurt while I was typing this?
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I was ironically having a conversation with someone about the new turf at MetLife about five minutes before Rodgers injury.
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I was ironically having a conversation with someone about the new turf at MetLife about five minutes before Rodgers injury.
What’s with the turf?
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Is Mike Greenberg on suicide watch?
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Is Mike Greenberg on suicide watch?
Why?
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This is like watching the Bears offense all over again.
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What’s with the turf?
It’s new turf this season, and my son and I were talking about if they replaced part of the turf from the Giants game last night or if it’s just left and repainted with Jets colors/logos.
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Why?
His show has been unwatchable
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Rodgers needs to play 60% or 65% (I don’t remember exactly) of snaps for the Packers pick from the Jets to become a 1st next year.
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Rodgers needs to play 60% or 65% (I don’t remember exactly) of snaps for the Packers pick from the Jets to become a 1st next year.
65%
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If history has taught us anything, the Jets have a better chance at winning in January without Rodgers anyway
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is it any worse than New York?
Not any more.
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Why?
He's a life long Jets fan. He was very excited for this season.
I like him and his show, so I know stupid stuff like that.
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If Wilson had hurt himself making the tackle, that would have reached historic Lions level.
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He's a life long Jets fan. He was very excited for this season.
I like him and his show, so I know stupid stuff like that.
https://x.com/artbutsports/status/1701405060691861622?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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Is Mike Greenberg on suicide watch?
He’s the idiot who suggested the Jets should go and get Bakhtiari since the Packers are supposedly in rebuild mode. As if the Packers were just going to hand him over to be good guys and help the Jets and Rodgers out of a rough situation.
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He’s the idiot who suggested the Jets should go and get Bakhtiari since the Packers are supposedly in rebuild mode. As if the Packers were just going to hand him over to be good guys and help the Jets and Rodgers out of a rough situation.
I get it. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I appreciate that he generally doesn't take himself or sports too seriously and he can communicate using the English language without mixing metaphors. (Jim Rome not knowing the difference between "literally" and "figuratively" is painful to listen to :()
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Is it literally painful, or figuratively painful?
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I get it. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I appreciate that he generally doesn't take himself or sports too seriously and he can communicate using the English language without mixing metaphors. (Jim Rome not knowing the difference between "literally" and "figuratively" is painful to listen to :()
I just get so tired of national media acting as though we’re total hayseeds and can be easily fleeced into giving up our talent that others covet. Like there were rumors this summer of the Dodgers getting Burnes and Yelich for som asinine return.
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Is it literally painful, or figuratively painful?
LOL! figuratively but bordering on literal. ;D
Come on, a professional broadcaster should have elementary knowledge of the language, right?
I can't wait for one of these "professionals" to declare a NFL team with a one game lead and 5 games to go as "the leader in the clubhouse". Every year. Uhhg!
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I just get so tired of national media acting as though we’re total hayseeds and can be easily fleeced into giving up our talent that others covet. Like there were rumors this summer of the Dodgers getting Burnes and Yelich for som asinine return.
The Packers are no Memphis Grizzlies.
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A little surprised McDermott didn’t take that offensive pass interference penalty to make it 3rd-and-23 rather than ceding a 43-yard FG to the Jets.
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A little surprised McDermott didn’t take that offensive pass interference penalty to make it 3rd-and-23 rather than ceding a 43-yard FG to the Jets.
Give Zach Wilson too many chances and he'll make you pay.
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Not any more.
:D Farve, Rodgers, Verlander, Scherzer. Those days when they picked up a Reggie or a Messier are long long.
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For a great QB, Josh Allen sure makes some questionable decisions out there.
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Bears should try to get everything they can from the Jets for Fields.
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For a great QB, Josh Allen sure makes some questionable decisions out there.
I was thinking the same thing. I'd go beyond just questionable. Some of those were just flat out bad decisions. Reminded me a bit of some of Favre's old throws.
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Pretty shockingly bad play by Allen and Burrow to start the season.
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Buffalo was -2500 about 45 minutes ago.
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I was thinking the same thing. I'd go beyond just questionable. Some of those were just flat out bad decisions. Reminded me a bit of some of Favre's old throws.
Well, Aikman did call Allen a “gunslinger.”
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Wow.
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Wow
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ESPN’s ref expert says the Jets got away with a tripping penalty on the winning return.
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ESPN’s ref expert says the Jets got away with a tripping penalty on the winning return.
I saw it live and on replay and didn’t see anything except very poor coverage and lane discipline by Buffalo. They over pursued one side of the field badly.
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I’m no NFL rules expert, but the expert is an expert. But maybe he’s wrong.
Doesn’t matter anyway. It wasn’t called, the Jets won, and the Bills didn’t do anything to show they deserved to win.
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I’m no NFL rules expert, but the expert is an expert. But maybe he’s wrong.
Doesn’t matter anyway. It wasn’t called, the Jets won, and the Bills didn’t do anything to show they deserved to win.
I’m far from one either. I just don’t see where he saw any trip that was missed. I saw nothing of the sort. The Jets didn’t have to do much blocking on the play it was so poorly covered.
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I think one of the last blocks by the 25. The guy from the Jets dove in front and has he was coming through, swung his leg back I think
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I think one of the last blocks by the 25. The guy from the Jets dove in front and has he was coming through, swung his leg back I think
That was a clean and very good block. Nothing at all illegal. He didn’t swing his leg back.
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I was curious about the Jets other QB and his rating .. 81.
Rodgers' rating .. with 1 incomplete pass, one sack for -10 yards is 39.6.
How in heck is the rating anything but a zero?
Safe to say that every MUScoop user has a QB rating of 39.6.
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For any bears fans who want to rip their hair out:
https://youtu.be/FiiK21VzI_o?si=gtWwidUe-9VamTww
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For any bears fans who want to rip their hair out:
https://youtu.be/FiiK21VzI_o?si=gtWwidUe-9VamTww
My favorite play is where the right guard cleanly and on purpose knocks the center off his block. That is the kind of play that makes you wonder if there is a fix in on the game. >:(
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My favorite play is where the right guard cleanly and on purpose knocks the center off his block. That is the kind of play that makes you wonder if there is a fix in on the game. >:(
Lucas Patrick was gonna block someone? On the other team?
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Lucas Patrick was gonna block someone? On the other team?
LOL. It was shocking to see how many plays that one or multiple Bears O linemen were not even engage in blocking. It is one thing to be beaten by technique or physical ability but it is beyond bad to have linemen just standing around with no one to block. The Bears would be way better off if their OL was bull rushed off the field every play.
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Looks like the Bear's Claypool will be a healthy scratch for the TB game. Precursor to being cut?
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Looks like the Bear's Claypool will be a healthy scratch for the TB game. Precursor to being cut?
I would guess they are trying to trade him.
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I would guess they are trying to trade him.
If they get a bag of used balls for him, Poles is the GM of the year.
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If they get a bag of used balls for him, Poles is the GM of the year.
I can see someone giving up a fifth or sixth for the guy. But since Poles was the guy who gave up a second for him about ten months ago, I wouldn't give him any awards.
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I can see someone giving up a fifth or sixth for the guy. But since Poles was the guy who gave up a second for him about ten months ago, I wouldn't give him any awards.
Come on, he has done a bang up job. ::)
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I can see someone giving up a fifth or sixth for the guy. But since Poles was the guy who gave up a second for him about ten months ago, I wouldn't give him any awards.
Maybe a 6th. I was thinking the only thing they might get is a 7th, that can turn into a 6th with sufficient performances.
Right now the Bears have signaled they are not going to play him. Which eventually means he'll be likely cut. So the only reason to trade anything is because you want to claim him, before he is cut.
I don't see anyone giving a 5th, for the right to claim a player that has proven to two teams he has no desire to work hard, before he gets cut.
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Maybe a 6th. I was thinking the only thing they might get is a 7th, that can turn into a 6th with sufficient performances.
Right now the Bears have signaled they are not going to play him. Which eventually means he'll be likely cut. So the only reason to trade anything is because you want to claim him, before he is cut.
I don't see anyone giving a 5th, for the right to claim a player that has proven to two teams he has no desire to work hard, before he gets cut.
Hopefully Poles took Economics 101 and understands the concept of sunk cost. Lynch in SF obviously does.
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It’s a bold strategy committing 42 turnovers a game.
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It’s a bold strategy committing 42 turnovers a game.
I'm starting to wonder if they know they aren't supposed to give the ball to the other team, cause most of these are self inflicted.
The Vikings look terrible. So many unnecessary mistakes. On the last TD, the safety completely bailed on his responsibility over the top.
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Looking at the box score, Cousins is 30+ better QBR than Hurts. Crazy.
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https://x.com/pff_sam/status/1702513891706597405?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1702659441177358572?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Midwest nice
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https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1702659441177358572?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Midwest nice
Man, it’s sad the lengths people take their fandom. I’m sure Packers players get a lot of stuff based on just how much life in Wisconsin revolves around it.
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Man, it’s sad the lengths people take their fandom. I’m sure Packers players get a lot of stuff based on just how much life in Wisconsin revolves around it.
I'd wager money this behavior is because of gambling, not pure fandom.
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Looking forward to Chiefs at Jags game this afternoon . Should be some exciting QB play all around.
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Chiefs fan travel well, seems like stadium is at least half Chiefs supporters.
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Bears moving easily with downfield passes out of shotgun/pistol.
So coaches promptly decide to start calling screen plays from under center
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Richardson two more rushing touchdowns for Colts.
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Richardson two more rushing touchdowns for Colts.
and a concussion.
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and a concussion.
Said last week in his debut that it was questionable how long Richardson can stay healthy given his style of play.
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Bears moving easily with downfield passes out of shotgun/pistol.
So coaches promptly decide to start calling screen plays from under center
Respect the process......
.... to get the number 1 pick.
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Richardson two more rushing touchdowns for Colts.
Two for two on early exits.
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More running QBs = more QB injuries.
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I’ll be shocked if Fields plays a full season, and him being a running QB has nothing to do with it. Besides him regressing with feel in the pocket and holding the ball…he barely has a pocket and this OL is full of turnstiles. That last sack was absolutely pathetic protection
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I’ll be shocked if Fields plays a full season, and him being a running QB has nothing to do with it. Besides him regressing with feel in the pocket and holding the ball…he barely has a pocket and this OL is full of turnstiles. That last sack was absolutely pathetic protection
How he’s only run the ball twice is crazy. Scheme some things up to get the guy in space.
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Mahomes Kelce classic TD
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I’m old enough to remember when Bears fans said they had the best QB in the division…while Aaron Rodgers was still in the NFC North.
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Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?
Also
Lucas Patrick was gonna block someone? On the other team?
Evergreen post. He’s basically gently escorted Vea to Fields all game
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Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?
He was always just a friend of Rodgers. That’s why they brought him back from college ball.
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S
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Up 24-12 in the fourth vs Desmond Ridder should be a victory every time.
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I’ll be shocked if Fields plays a full season, and him being a running QB has nothing to do with it. Besides him regressing with feel in the pocket and holding the ball…he barely has a pocket and this OL is full of turnstiles. That last sack was absolutely pathetic protection
They started to get offensive success in the 2nd of half of last season by moving the pocket, running RPOs and options/zone reads.
So, definitely rely on under center screen passes this season
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Up 24-12 in the fourth vs Desmond Ridder should be a victory every time.
Maybe. But you’re without your left tackle, right tackle, WR1, and RB1. With a first year starting QB.
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Maybe. But you’re without your left tackle, right tackle, WR1, and RB1. With a first year starting QB.
Sure reminded me of Rodgers losses in 2008. Well enough to win and the defense craps the bed
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Goff streak of no interceptions ends with pick 6
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Sure reminded me of Rodgers losses in 2008. Well enough to win and the defense craps the bed
Any team that throws the ball around the field against the Packers should fire their coach asap. A lot of first round picks used in the front seven to continue to not be able to stop the run.
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Goff streak of no interceptions ends with pick 6
Riding in the car with my wife listening to the game. Two plays prior, I said that I feel a pick six coming. Two plays later....
"I hate when you do that. How can you predict that?"
I laughed and said 'Its the Lions' and laughed some more.
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Any team that throws the ball around the field against the Packers should fire their coach asap. A lot of first round picks used in the front seven to continue to not be able to stop the run.
True, but to be fair, I’m not sure there’s very many teams that focus on the run as much of the Falcons with Arthur Smith. Bijan looked really good.
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Sure reminded me of Rodgers losses in 2008. Well enough to win and the defense craps the bed
Not just the defense though.
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Not just the defense though.
Nope. Gotta get a yard on 3rd and 1 when the defense is cooked. Line, even without Bahk, needs to move bodies
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Giants 6 quarters played, 0 points scored.
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Giants 6 quarters played, 0 points scored.
They are absolutely terrible. Playing bad against Dallas was 1 thing. Arizona taking them to the woodshed is another.
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The Bears have lost 12 straight. Fields has a grand total of 1 road win in his career.
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Any team that throws the ball around the field against the Packers should fire their coach asap. A lot of first round picks used in the front seven to continue to not be able to stop the run.
The play calling by Atlanta in the first 1 1/2 quarters was as bad as I’ve seen.
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Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?
Also
Evergreen post. He’s basically gently escorted Vea to Fields all game
Patrick was a very close buddy of Rodgers and the team made zero effort to re-sign him. Bears can have all the Equinimious’, Patrick’s, Graham’s, Tongan’s, Dix’s that they want. Those guys aren’t gonna help them pass GB.
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More erratic game management by Campbell. First down at the Seattle 27 with three time outs left. 30 Seconds allowed to run off. Ended up kicking a 38 yard FG to sent it to OT.
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Patrick was a very close buddy of Rodgers and the team made zero effort to re-sign him. Bears can have all the Equinimious’, Patrick’s, Graham’s, Tongan’s, Dix’s that they want. Those guys aren’t gonna help them pass GB.
Jets can probably trade Cobb and Lazard to Chicago
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The Bears have lost 12 straight. Fields has a grand total of 1 road win in his career.
Have the Bears moved to the favorites to land Caleb Williams?
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Jets can probably trade Cobb and Lazard to Chicago
I forgot to mention 64 year old Mercedes Lewis.
Poles also might give us a 2nd rounder for Royce Newman.
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Have the Bears moved to the favorites to land Caleb Williams?
Great result today?
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Have the Bears moved to the favorites to land Caleb Williams?
His dad has indicated if they don’t like who has the number one overall, Caleb may just be back at SC another season.
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Wow, Nathaniel Hackett. The emperor has no clothes since leaving Green Bay. But he’s Rodgers boy, so he’s got that going for him. Which is nice.
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Cardinals players got the memo
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Dallas looks really good.
Wondering how they screw it up this year.
Maybe, this will finally be there year.
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Dallas looks really good.
Wondering how they screw it up this year.
Maybe, this will finally be there year.
Well, McCarthy is their coach for starters. Second, it’s only week 2 and the New York teams look like they stink.
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Great result today?
We’re heading in that direction!
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That hail mary in the Broncos / Commanders game was something.
There was probably PI on the two point conversion...but whatever.
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That hail mary in the Broncos / Commanders game was something.
There was probably PI on the two point conversion...but whatever.
The Payton-Wilson combo is going to end in flames.
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We’re heading in that direction!
Not sure it will matter with Poles.
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The Payton-Wilson combo is going to end in flames.
Oh and I am definitely here for it.
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Wow, Nathaniel Hackett. The emperor has no clothes since leaving Green Bay. But he’s Rodgers boy, so he’s got that going for him. Which is nice.
You think you could devise a scheme to win with Zack Wilson at QB? ;)
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You think you could devise a scheme to win with Zack Wilson at QB? ;)
I dunno, Rodgers thinks Wilson is good and look how good Rodgers has been at judging talent
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His dad has indicated if they don’t like who has the number one overall, Caleb may just be back at SC another season.
Yes, we all know that Caleb will stay at USC until KC or Philly has the #1 pick.
I'll go out on the shortest limb ever and say Caleb will play for KC before he skips the draft.
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The Bears have lost 12 straight, and in each of those 12, they’ve given up 25 or more.
No other team in NFL history has accomplished this.
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Right now, it looks like whoever wins the North will be the least crappy team.
Minnesota facing Detroit twice in the last 3 weeks could decide it.
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I’m old enough to remember when Bears fans said they had the best QB in the division…while Aaron Rodgers was still in the NFC North.
(https://img.ifunny.co/images/b93f70d7f354c12fdb505cadd8232f984d9e6dd493c1e1a37f1a679b1973cd32_1.jpg)
*scoop
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The Bears have lost 12 straight, and in each of those 12, they’ve given up 25 or more.
No other team in NFL history has accomplished this.
Oof. It’s really NFL fan purgatory the last 30 odd years.
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Is Luke Getsy a sleeper agent?
Also
Evergreen post. He’s basically gently escorted Vea to Fields all game
Yeah, LaFleur’s assistants who have moved on have been a disaster thus far.
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You think you could devise a scheme to win with Zack Wilson at QB? ;)
No argument with that ;D
However, Wilson has had two decent to good weeks so far.
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I dunno, Rodgers thinks Wilson is good and look how good Rodgers has been at judging talent
He’s insufferable in so many ways. It’s a breath of fresh air following the Packers this year already.
Now if Joe Barry would just finally lose his job….
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The Bears have lost 12 straight, and in each of those 12, they’ve given up 25 or more.
No other team in NFL history has accomplished this.
Time to clean house? Again? Can they get a 3rd rd. pick for Fields?
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Wow does Caleb Williams’ dad think of Foxborough?
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The Bears are so bad their effort today received a C-, not F, grade from CBS Sports. I guess it makes sense when they go onto say "The Bears might be the worst team in football." Not just the NFL, "in Football"!
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The Payton-Wilson combo is going to end in flames.
What did Pete Carroll know and when did he know it?
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The Bears are so bad their effort today received a C-, not F, grade from CBS Sports. I guess it makes sense when they go onto say "The Bears might be the worst team in football." Not just the NFL, "in Football"!
They’d wipe the floor with most HS teams.
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They’d wipe the floor with most HS teams.
Not in Texas.
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12 straight GREAT RESULTS for da Bears.
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https://x.com/chatham58/status/1703749120752574501?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Interesting thoughts on the kick block last night
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https://x.com/chatham58/status/1703749120752574501?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Interesting thoughts on the kick block last night
Goes into a long detail trying to say somwthing game changing happened. #94 missed his block. Pretty simple explanation
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Goes into a long detail trying to say somwthing game changing happened. #94 missed his block. Pretty simple explanation
Could be, could also be a way to attack the kicking game. 94 misses his block because of the motion
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Could be, could also be a way to attack the kicking game. 94 misses his block because of the motion
Or because hes fat and out of shape, and decides to block the inside guy
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https://x.com/chatham58/status/1703749120752574501?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Interesting thoughts on the kick block last night
I'm not sure I get it. It definitely looks like he's looking at the ball and long snapper up until the snap. He's running along the line and his helmet is straight forward until the snap of the ball. It doesn't look to be looking left, towards the kicker or holder, at all.
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Or because hes fat and out of shape, and decides to block the inside guy
And poorly coached then. Lots of poorly coached teams in the league, especially on special teams
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I don't think it was a missed block. Likely a missed read. I think the blocking scheme doesn't usually account for a guy sprinting in from the side like that.
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As a Browns fan, let me say, f**k!
Never a good sign when they won’t even show us the replay.
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As a Browns fan, let me say, f**k!
Never a good sign when they won’t even show us the replay.
It’s one of those replays and yeah, woof
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My observation of the NFL is there are a ton of bad teams.
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"There are differing numbers from different data sources on this, but per PFF, Justin Fields only has five designed runs through two weeks. This is especially notable because last year, he averaged only 3.5 designed runs per game in Weeks 1-6, when he averaged 15.6 fantasy points per game. But then the offense changed for the New England game, and mostly stuck from there, as he averaged 7.6 designed runs per game from Week 7 through Week 18. And yeah, during that stretch, his fantasy scoring exploded to 27.7 FPPG, but it wasn’t just the fantasy scoring — that clearly added a dynamic to their offense which made them harder to defend and elevated everything. Fields was also throwing for more yards, and more TDs, and the Bears scoring almost 8 more points per game during that stretch, an increase of more than 50% on their 15.5 points over the first six weeks. So why, with the same offensive coordinator, are we back to the early 2022 stuff with no designed runs? That’s rhetorical, obviously, because there’s no logical explanation."
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Big thumbs down to having two MNF games on at the same time.
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"There are differing numbers from different data sources on this, but per PFF, Justin Fields only has five designed runs through two weeks. This is especially notable because last year, he averaged only 3.5 designed runs per game in Weeks 1-6, when he averaged 15.6 fantasy points per game. But then the offense changed for the New England game, and mostly stuck from there, as he averaged 7.6 designed runs per game from Week 7 through Week 18. And yeah, during that stretch, his fantasy scoring exploded to 27.7 FPPG, but it wasn’t just the fantasy scoring — that clearly added a dynamic to their offense which made them harder to defend and elevated everything. Fields was also throwing for more yards, and more TDs, and the Bears scoring almost 8 more points per game during that stretch, an increase of more than 50% on their 15.5 points over the first six weeks. So why, with the same offensive coordinator, are we back to the early 2022 stuff with no designed runs? That’s rhetorical, obviously, because there’s no logical explanation."
So instead of being disgustingly awful, if they went back to 2022 play calling they would just be awful? And Fields would be more likely to get injured? He's clearly not a pocket passer. He may not even be a QB. I would perhaps run the ball more with their backs, try some play-action, or get Fields rolling out to throw.
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Bears fans finally coming to realize what everyone else has seen the whole time has been something.
I’m not sure I can say Jordan Love is a good or bad quarterback yet. But I feel very confident in saying he’s a better QB than Justin Fields. Fields could be a more valuable/better football player if they played him at RB, but he’s not a good QB.
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Bears fans finally coming to realize what everyone else has seen the whole time has been something.
I’m not sure I can say Jordan Love is a good or bad quarterback yet. But I feel very confident in saying he’s a better QB than Justin Fields. Fields could be a more valuable/better football player if they played him at RB, but he’s not a good QB.
He's obviously a tremendous athlete but the fact that he can't read defenses, or accurately throw, or get rid of the ball, or make basic NFL QB decisions seems to indicate he's not an NFL QB. Certainly not one you can win with. He's like 5-30 or something like that. I'm not even sure he can throw a spiral.
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Trubisky > Fields.
I’m not being sarcastic.
Neither are starting NFL QBs.
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Bears fans finally coming to realize what everyone else has seen the whole time has been something.
I have never been sold on Fields but to claim that everybody not a Bear’s fan has known all along that he couldn’t be an NFL QB is BS.
Your typical contribution.
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I have never been sold on Fields but to claim that everybody not a Bear’s fan has known all along that he couldn’t be an NFL QB is BS.
Your typical contribution.
The Bears failed Fields. Getsy is a terrible OC and if they fire him and keep Fields, he’d be on his 3rd OC in 4 seasons. That’s just not a good recipe. Add in a lack of talent around him and a terrible line, his chances of success revolved solely around him overcoming the obstacles.
Let’s compare that to Joe Burrow who was also drafted by an organization with a less than stellar reputation. He’s had one coach, one OC and skilled players at RB and WR. His line has been sketchy but they’ve made it work by having good people around him. Plus his talent.
I don’t think it’s a surprise the best Bears QBs since ‘92 have probably been Erik Kramer and Jay Cutler, QB’s that came from outside the organization
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I have never been sold on Fields but to claim that everybody not a Bear’s fan has known all along that he couldn’t be an NFL QB is BS.
Your typical contribution.
Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.
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The Bears failed Fields. Getsy is a terrible OC and if they fire him and keep Fields, he’d be on his 3rd OC in 4 seasons. That’s just not a good recipe. Add in a lack of talent around him and a terrible line, his chances of success revolved solely around him overcoming the obstacles.
Let’s compare that to Joe Burrow who was also drafted by an organization with a less than stellar reputation. He’s had one coach, one OC and skilled players at RB and WR. His line has been sketchy but they’ve made it work by having good people around him. Plus his talent.
I don’t think it’s a surprise the best Bears QBs since ‘92 have probably been Erik Kramer and Jay Cutler, QB’s that came from outside the organization
Burrow came from a much more traditional pro offense, versus Fields who is the latest in a line of quarterbacks to disappoint coming out of the Urban Meyer / Ryan Day system at OSU. IOW, I think transferring to Ohio State was detrimental to Fields, while transferring away from Ohio State was beneficial to Burrow.
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Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.
FWIW when his initial set of starts made clear that they had effectively ordered him *not* to throw the ball and then his second season made it seem like they had only barely gained any confidence in a passing game with him, that sent up more red flags than the Chinese navy.
Did I *know* he was bad when he was a rookie? Of course not. But when he got more and more game action and kept looking like a run first, run second, and run third QB, I started to get real skeptical he was ever going to turn into the type of QB that's effective in the NFL.
On Sunday we had a few conversations about Fields that went something like "it's probably impossible to tell what of his current state is on him and what is on the Bears/Coaching. If he had landed on a better organization, had a better OL, had a stable coaching/OC situation, maybe sat his rookie year and worked on all of the stuff that goes into playing NFL-level QB rather than needing to run for his life, who knows..."
Regardless, there's enough of a book out on him now that if I'm the Bears I think long and hard about tanking, cleaning house on the front office and coaching, and starting fresh with Caleb Williams.
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Burrow came from a much more traditional pro offense, versus Fields who is the latest in a line of quarterbacks to disappoint coming out of the Urban Meyer / Ryan Day system at OSU. IOW, I think transferring to Ohio State was detrimental to Fields, while transferring away from Ohio State was beneficial to Burrow.
Fair points, too. CJ Stroud’s trajectory will be interesting. He’s working with a pretty raw staff in Houston
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FWIW when his initial set of starts made clear that they had effectively ordered him *not* to throw the ball and then his second season made it seem like they had only barely gained any confidence in a passing game with him, that sent up more red flags than the Chinese navy.
Did I *know* he was bad when he was a rookie? Of course not. But when he got more and more game action and kept looking like a run first, run second, and run third QB, I started to get real skeptical he was ever going to turn into the type of QB that's effective in the NFL.
On Sunday we had a few conversations about Fields that went something like "it's probably impossible to tell what of his current state is on him and what is on the Bears/Coaching. If he had landed on a better organization, had a better OL, had a stable coaching/OC situation, maybe sat his rookie year and worked on all of the stuff that goes into playing NFL-level QB rather than needing to run for his life, who knows..."
Regardless, there's enough of a book out on him now that if I'm the Bears I think long and hard about tanking, cleaning house on the front office and coaching, and starting fresh with Caleb Williams.
That's not the Bear Way. The Bear Way means you draft the future quarterback, let them play a year with the current coaching staff, only then to clean house and make him learn an entirely new system in year two.
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Bears would've probably been best off trading both 1 and Fields this past offseason. There's enough physical talent to talk yourself into Fields as your franchise QB, and I'm not sold on Young as a true franchise QB (mostly concerned with his size). Stack up a ton of high draft picks, stack your offensive line and defense, and get your QB in next year's draft (or when Arch is available).
Now, unless Fields really turns around this year (which even if he's good, the team around him stinks so it'll be hard to show it) you're getting what for him? A third or so?
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Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.
Isn’t that an indictment of the national media? Why would they speak glowingly of one of the lowest ranked QBs leading the NFLs worst team?
Looking good at the OSU means nothing. I could have good stats throwing to the greatest college WR group ever.
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I don't think the national media has been speaking glowingly about Fields at all. In fact, most of the coverage I have seen since the the season started has been concerns over his lack of progress.
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I don't think the national media has been speaking glowingly about Fields at all. In fact, most of the coverage I have seen since the the season started has been concerns over his lack of progress.
To be honest, my point of reference is ESPN (TV and radio). They refer to Fields as a "special talent" but the coaching has been terrible.
I'd say the player and coaches has been terrible.
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I watched this whole thing (on 2x speed).
I hate this team
https://youtu.be/EDSwzJwiXj8?si=1fhM3Ht9RdDBbsfL
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How many times now has this organization "started over" only to hire a coach before GM or draft a QB before having a coach?
The structure/ownership is terrible and you'll never convince me the organization will have any success until the family is gone
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How many times now has this organization "started over" only to hire a coach before GM or draft a QB before having a coach?
The structure/ownership is terrible and you'll never convince me the organization will have any success until the family is gone
I think this is the most important post here.
I have said several times here that it always starts at the top. And the Bears are rotten from the McCaskey’s on down.
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The fact the the Bears are 0-2 is not surprising to me. I expected 1-1 but 0-2 is not crazy bad. The way they have looked is the concerning issue. If a bunch of young players were missing blocks or tackles or dropping balls, I'd feel okay and hopeful they will mature. The coaches and QB look out of their league. I guess that goes on the GM, who was hired by the owners.
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I think this is the most important post here.
I have said several times here that it always starts at the top. And the Bears are rotten from the McCaskey’s on down.
Virginia will never sell.
I predict the Bears will be sold within 12 months of her passing. There are some unsubstantiated rumors that some wealthy people have passed on buying other organizations in favor of waiting for the Bears to come on the market. If that does come to pass, of course there are no guarantees it will be better.
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The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.
Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball. He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).
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The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.
Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball. He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).
Taysom Hill?
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The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.
Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball. He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).
I assume this is sarcasm.
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The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.
Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball. He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).
Bagent really is that dude huh?
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What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?
He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.
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What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?
He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.
Eh. Pretty minor. No reason to call it.
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What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?
He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.
I thought it looked much worse in real time than it actually was. I don’t think it was ejection worthy.
Although, an ejection may have helped the Browns chances.
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I thought it looked much worse in real time than it actually was. I don’t think it was ejection worthy.
Although, an ejection may have helped the Browns chances.
He was really bad. He missed a number of passes by 15-20 yards. He was awful.
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He was really bad. He missed a number of passes by 15-20 yards. He was awful.
He was really bad. But he was another example of every QB will look terrible if they are running for their life on every down. Pittsburg was already on him, on almost every play, before he even got to 3 steps on his drop.
Can't have any success as a QB that way.
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Justin Fields stuff
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1704249795810820135?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Justin Fields stuff
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1704249795810820135?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
That second one is BRUTAL. Even when he doesn't make the first throw and pulls it back, the guy down the seam is still WIDE open all the way through Justin running into the middle of the line for no reason.
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That second one is BRUTAL. Even when he doesn't make the first throw and pulls it back, the guy down the seam is still WIDE open all the way through Justin running into the middle of the line for no reason.
https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1704532867013865705?s=20
"Justin Fields acknowledged he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation for why he believes it is that way: "Coaching."
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More on the line? More chances of players suffering concussions.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecin.13173?campaign_id=228&emc=edit_pc_20230920&instance_id=103215&nl=peter-coy®i_id=108420427&segment_id=145235&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
The National Football League's regular-season games are not of equal importance: some games loom larger than others for determining a team's chance to qualify for the playoffs. We develop an incentive-based measure of the impact of winning a game on a team's qualification probability to study the relationship between stakes and injuries. We find teams are 24 percentage points more likely to suffer concussions in games where a win secures one team a playoff berth. This is the first evidence to support the risk-escalation hypothesis that injuries increase with a competition's stakes. We then discuss implications for sports injury prevention.
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https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1704532867013865705?s=20
"Justin Fields acknowledged he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation for why he believes it is that way: "Coaching."
This will not end well.
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The Bears DC quit or got fired?
It like some 60 year old Packer fan has scripted the Bears season.
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The Bears DC quit or got fired?
It like some 60 year old Packer fan has scripted the Bears season.
He’s just in the corner stomping his feet and pouting.
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He’s just in the corner stomping his feet and pouting.
LOL. Either way it sounds like he has left the Bears by his choice or theirs. It is early, but these are strong signs that the "house cleaning" is coming and "Collapse for Caleb" will be in full effect.
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The Bears DC has been away from the team for a week because of personal reasons. Maybe wait and see what's going on before mocking him or the situation. Could be that's he's dealing with some serious sh*t unrelated to football.
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The Bears DC has been away from the team for a week because of personal reasons. Maybe wait and see what's going on before mocking him or the situation. Could be that's he's dealing with some serious sh*t unrelated to football.
Fair enough, but the head coach will not confirm or deny that he has left the team. Does that seem normal to you?
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Fair enough, but the head coach will not confirm or deny that he has left the team. Does that seem normal to you?
If he’s got a family situation that is fluid, I could see how a coach would answer that way. Or a health issue.
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Fair enough, but the head coach will not confirm or deny that he has left the team. Does that seem normal to you?
The head coach has explained that the DC stepped away from the team for personal reasons. He refuses to say when or if he'll return.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-alan-williams-20230920-4xor5sct55b3dm5l2j37n7uyxu-story.html
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If he’s got a family situation that is fluid, I could see how a coach would answer that way. Or a health issue.
If that is the case, then shame on the Bears for not affirming his employment with the team. Any decent organization or person would say he is part of our organization and we'll welcome him back when things get resolved.
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The head coach has explained that the DC stepped away from the team for personal reasons. He refuses to say when or if he'll return.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-alan-williams-20230920-4xor5sct55b3dm5l2j37n7uyxu-story.html
You could possibly be right, but I think the personal reason is more likely that he is mad that play calling duties were taken away.
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Bill zimmerman (who is generally a responsible reporter) says that that the details on the Williams absence are “shocking”. No further details yet.
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https://twitter.com/BillTZimmerman/status/1704542629239673075?t=D3pAsSif_Qh1THcYMnjqug&s=19
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https://twitter.com/BillTZimmerman/status/1704542629239673075?t=D3pAsSif_Qh1THcYMnjqug&s=19
He posts on scoop?
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Apparently Matt Eberflus is now the odds on favorite in Vegas to be the 1st HC fired this year. (+225)
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Not sure how legit this guy is, but said there was a raid of Halas Hall and Alan Williams house.
https://x.com/JonZSports/status/1704567498874499562?s=20
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Apparently Matt Eberflus is now the odds on favorite in Vegas to be the 1st HC fired this year. (+225)
That would go without saying given that he's lost 12 games in a row and is 3-16 as a head coach...
Except every single loss is a GREAT RESULT in Chicago. So why would they fire a guy for doing what he's asked to do?
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Not sure how legit this guy is, but said there was a raid of Halas Hall and Alan Williams house.
https://x.com/JonZSports/status/1704567498874499562?s=20
A lot of us had a sneaking suspicion that the Bears were a criminal organization - especially after ARod took ownership.
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Not sure how legit this guy is, but said there was a raid of Halas Hall and Alan Williams house.
https://x.com/JonZSports/status/1704567498874499562?s=20
A raid of Halas Hall not reported by mainstream media. That is highly unlikely. On a BS meter of 1 to 10, I give this a 14.
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I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).
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In addition to losing their defensive leader for the season, having both starting guards on IR, and having their shut-down corner out for several weeks, the Panthers practiced Wednesday without Bryce Young, reportedly due to a sore ankle.
The Panthers are 0-2; every other team in the division is 2-0.
The Bryce Young/Frank Reich Era is off to a wonderful start!
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I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).
Probably stuff on Hunter’s laptop leading them there
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I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).
More Trump documents stored there?
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They found Hoffa.
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They found Hoffa.
Virginia McCaskey being involved checks a lot of boxes
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I have heard from someone I trust that the FBI was at Halas Hall very early this morning (possibly overnight last night).
So uhhhhh this sounds like uhhhhh CP?
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Alan Williams just resigned.
Bears state no "raid" today at halas Hall
https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1704590954873663857?t=nNQ8LHwU5ywja87f_bMDMA&s=19
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Probably stuff on Hunter’s laptop leading them there
Wasn't Hillary's secret server in Chicago??
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Wasn't Hillary's secret server in Chicago??
Entirely possible.
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Peanut Tillman was allegedly the FBI agent informed the Bears upper management about the raid to Williams's house.
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Lots of people denying Halas Hall was raided. Nobody denying Williams's house was raided though.
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Now Justin Fields is focused on "walking back" his indictment of his coaches ::). He has nothing better to due the week he plays the Chiefs in KC. Yikes!
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Seeing multiple places repeating the rumor that Williams was/is under investigation for child pornography. No idea if there is actual fire to go with this smoke or if it's just the same rumor getting reposted over and over.
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I have no clue on Alan Williams and what happened. The person I got a text from walked it back pretty quickly on the information they thought was legit.
No idea if it’s child porn.
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I have no clue on Alan Williams and what happened. The person I got a text from walked it back pretty quickly on the information they thought was legit.
No idea if it’s child porn.
Imagine being called a predator despite no evidence. Shaky reporting by a few in the Chicagoland
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I have no clue on Alan Williams and what happened. The person I got a text from walked it back pretty quickly on the information they thought was legit.
No idea if it’s child porn.
Best new of the year for the Bears is the former DC is not a criminal? Well done Bears! ::)
-Second best news; QB Nathan Peterman is cut.
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The Bears continue to be entertaining - just not on the field.
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Imagine being called a predator despite no evidence. Shaky reporting by a few in the Chicagoland
I’m guilty myself, I thought I had trusted info on the FBI being involved and I did not.
There’s wild speculation out there still, none of which is worth delving into until the truth comes out.
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I’m guilty myself, I thought I had trusted info on the FBI being involved and I did not.
There’s wild speculation out there still, none of which is worth delving into until the truth comes out.
Very weird or sad that some reputable people are doubling down on the 'health issue' being BS.
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I’m guilty myself, I thought I had trusted info on the FBI being involved and I did not.
There’s wild speculation out there still, none of which is worth delving into until the truth comes out.
The Bears need to be proactive on this and have Kevin Warren address the media in some shape or form.
Bottom line is this, the organization is a rotting corpse. Has been for a long time. I see a lot of people saying Kevin Warren will fix things. His tenure thus far has been a dumpster fire. The stadium issue down to the team on the field. Not doing anything at the moment is a bad sign of things to come
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Someone pointed out to me the timeline of his resignation doesn’t mesh up with when Eberflus spoke to the media, if one wants to dive deep on these details.
Agreed, Kevin Warren and George McCaskey should be out in front of this publicly, like tomorrow morning. Their house is on fire right now, not just with the Williams situation. Unsurprisingly, the PR from the Bears on this has been a complete disaster.
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Someone pointed out to me the timeline of his resignation doesn’t mesh up with when Eberflus spoke to the media, if one wants to dive deep on these details.
Agreed, Kevin Warren and George McCaskey should be out in front of this publicly, like tomorrow morning. Their house is on fire right now, not just with the Williams situation. Unsurprisingly, the PR from the Bears on this has been a complete disaster.
Nothing the Zizzo Group can't fix !
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Very weird or sad that some reputable people are doubling down on the 'health issue' being BS.
a very terse statement for a 'health issue'. Not a word about wishing him well, which would be SOP with a health issue.
So, we'll see.
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FWIW,
https://x.com/courtneyrcronin/status/1704603958226891084?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Someone pointed out to me the timeline of his resignation doesn’t mesh up with when Eberflus spoke to the media, if one wants to dive deep on these details.
Agreed, Kevin Warren and George McCaskey should be out in front of this publicly, like tomorrow morning. Their house is on fire right now, not just with the Williams situation. Unsurprisingly, the PR from the Bears on this has been a complete disaster.
Apparently they turned to the Wirtz' for damage control. :-\
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And now they release Nathan Peterman.
Day gets worse and worse.
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Imagine being called a predator despite no evidence. Shaky reporting by a few in the Chicagoland
Like Ziggy does to you.
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Williams is a longtime friend of Eberflub - yet not an ounce of sympathy when Everflub announced it was a health issue.
Huh?!!!!
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Williams is a longtime friend of Eberflub - yet not an ounce of sympathy when Everflub announced it was a health issue.
Huh?!!!!
We’ve been using Everlose at our house.
The Bears official press release was incredibly blunt. Whatever happened, clearly the Bears are trying to distance themselves from it.
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Williams is a longtime friend of Eberflub - yet not an ounce of sympathy when Everflub announced it was a health issue.
Huh?!!!!
a very terse statement for a 'health issue'. Not a word about wishing him well, which would be SOP with a health issue.
So, we'll see.
This guy is REALLY hoping for some pedophile and/or sex trafficking. Kinda weird.
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We’ve been using Everlose at our house.
The Bears official press release was incredibly blunt. Whatever happened, clearly the Bears are trying to distance themselves from it.
Where do we rank the Bears as the worst organization in football?
It has to be between them and the Cardinals at the moment, no? Browns? Texans?
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This guy is REALLY hoping for some pedophile and/or sex trafficking. Kinda weird.
No, he’s pointing out the obvious. It’s why the Bears should be ahead of this
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https://x.com/670thescore/status/1704609903564804164?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Like Ziggy does to you.
It's just "schtick".
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This guy is REALLY hoping for some pedophile and/or sex trafficking. Kinda weird.
I see now why people always make fun of you.
I haven't said even one word about either pedophilia or sex trafficking.
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And now they release Nathan Peterman.
Day gets worse and worse.
Bears cleaning house on Petermen today.
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I see now why people always make fun of you.
I haven't said even one word about either pedophilia or sex trafficking.
But that's what the Twitter rumors are, and you're saying the Bears are BSing saying it's health related.
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But that's what the Twitter rumors are, and you're saying the Bears are BSing saying it's health related.
Wow. Is English a 2nd language for you?
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No, he’s pointing out the obvious. It’s why the Bears should be ahead of this
What does that even mean? Have a press conference saying he is or isn't resigning due to health issues? The worst thing that can do is say something that would open them up for liability. If worst case scenario it is something bad like CP, does it really make a difference if they say something now or in 3 days and just said they were letting police do their jobs and get the facts as they were totally shocked by what transpired? If it something health related, they probably have to wait until termination negotiations are finalized since its probably a mix between being fired and resigning.
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Where do we rank the Bears as the worst organization in football?
It has to be between them and the Cardinals at the moment, no? Browns? Texans?
I don't think the Bears are capable of going up 20-0 on the Giants.
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Wow. Is English a 2nd language for you?
So you were insinuating...what? Why don't you just come out and say whatever it is you mean so those of us who don't speak English can understand.
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What does that even mean? Have a press conference saying he is or isn't resigning due to health issues? The worst thing that can do is say something that would open them up for liability. If worst case scenario it is something bad like CP, does it really make a difference if they say something now or in 3 days and just said they were letting police do their jobs and get the facts as they were totally shocked by what transpired? If it something health related, they probably have to wait until termination negotiations are finalized since its probably a mix between being fired and resigning.
No, what they need to do is give full support to the current staff instead of leaving them to deal with the innuendo of not saying anything at all
They don’t have to comment on it by simply saying no comment on matters with regard to the DC because if it is simply a health issue, then they wish him well. If he resigns simply because of health, they aren’t liable for fulfilling his contract.
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https://x.com/670thescore/status/1704609903564804164?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Kinda wondering if this is more about a family member than him personally.
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Kinda wondering if this is more about a family member than him personally.
That would make a lot of sense, honestly.
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https://x.com/670TheScore/status/1704610723551154437?s=20
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Strath would have no clue on that. He has been his attorney for mere hours
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Strath would have no clue on that. He has been his attorney for mere hours
More hours than you have been.
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Kinda wondering if this is more about a family member than him personally.
I'm wondering if it is not technically illegal, but still very ugly.
I know nothing at all on this, but they are calling it a "health issue" and "family issue," those could something of the ilk of addiction (lots of options here, some of which are not pretty), and infidelity (also possibly very ugly), where the two are really intertwined.
The only reason I go there is because of the oddities in how the Bears reported this, really seems like they are trying to distance themselves from something, and that something doesn't have to be involving criminal proceedings.
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Lost in all the wonderful Bears news today was the "franchise" 3rd year QB admitted that being taught to read defenses is overwhelming.
The starting QB of an NFL team told everyone, "F the coaches, I'm going to do what feels right". Sounds like a recipe for success. ::)
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If it truly is a health or family issue, it would make much more sense for Williams to take FMLA rather than to flat out quit his job.
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Bears cleaning house on Petermen today.
The Bears have now re-signed Petermen.
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The Bears have now re-signed Petermen.
Amazing
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The Bears have now re-signed Petermen.
Not a good sign for the Bears or Fields. Rumors are the Bears coaches are ready to move on from Fields and need a serviceable QB, all within 24 hours.
The Bears have to be close to the bottom, right?
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Not a good sign for the Bears or Fields. Rumors are the Bears coaches are ready to move on from Fields and need a serviceable QB, all within 24 hours.
The Bears have to be close to the bottom, right?
They just cut him yesterday. I would imagine this is more about contract/salary cap maneuvering than anything else.
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They just cut him yesterday. I would imagine this is more about contract/salary cap maneuvering than anything else.
I'm pretty sure he is/was making the league minimum. $1M for a 6th year player is right at the minimum.
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My guess is that they had a trade or FA signing lined up but it fell through.
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My guess is that they had a trade or FA signing lined up but it fell through.
Someone didn't want to play for the Bears? I'm shocked!
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Not a good sign for the Bears or Fields. Rumors are the Bears coaches are ready to move on from Fields and need a serviceable QB, all within 24 hours.
The Bears have to be close to the bottom, right?
Arlington Heights first. Then they're there.
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Maybe we find out today what happened.
Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.
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Maybe we find out today what happened.
Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.
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Maybe we find out today what happened.
Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.
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No I listen to what they say. Well, actually Poles refused to talk about it today and abruptly ended the press conference when asked about it.
If a friend and colleague resigned over a health issue (dubious because when someone has a health issue, giving up your medical insurance is not the 1st thing you do), the absolute 1st thing that any team would do is offer support rather than, say, give a terse 12 word statement saying good riddance.
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No of it passes the smell test. Maybe on the 'scandal meter' it is a 1 out of 10, but I don't feel that he or the Bears are being honest.
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McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.
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McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.
Sounds like the Poles presser didn’t include any additional info. Maybe legally they can’t say much.
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No I listen to what they say. Well, actually Poles refused to talk about it today and abruptly ended the press conference when asked about it.
If a friend and colleague resigned over a health issue (dubious because when someone has a health issue, giving up your medical insurance is not the 1st thing you do), the absolute 1st thing that any team would do is offer support rather than, say, give a terse 12 word statement saying good riddance.
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.
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McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.
If he’s wrong, wonder how ESPN handles it.
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If he’s wrong, wonder how ESPN handles it.
If wrong, they should send him to some crappy 11 a.m. Big Ten West game for one his alternative broadcasts.
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You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.
Jockey is as big of a loser as George McCaskey is, so makes sense that he has the inside scoop.
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You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.
You’re right. I don’t “know” it. And in a normal situation an agreement would probably have been involved. But this isn’t a normal separation. The Bears’ press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.
Don’t fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?
It also is a departure from Chicago’s history. They openly support and take care of players with health issues. Think Miller or Knox.
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Don’t fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?
Are you saying that coaches are going to avoid working for the Bears because they sounded unsympathetic in a press release?
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Are you saying that coaches are going to avoid working for the Bears because they sounded unsympathetic in a press release?
No.
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No.
Lol.
Beginning to look like maybe you're the one struggling with the English language, no? You love to hint at things, but when someone calls you out for it you claim that's not what you're hinting at...
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No.
Uh...yeah you are. Otherwise what does this mean?
"The Bears’ press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.
Don’t fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?"
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You’re right. I don’t “know” it. And in a normal situation an agreement would probably have been involved. But this isn’t a normal separation. The Bears’ press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.
Don’t fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?
It also is a departure from Chicago’s history. They openly support and take care of players with health issues. Think Miller or Knox.
Ones that want a job in the NFL? The jobs are limited
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Uh...yeah you are. Otherwise what does this mean?
"The Bears’ press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.
Don’t fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?"
Normally, you are different than most Scoopers - you actually understand nuance.
It wasn’t about the press release. It was about having a high level coach “resign” over health issues and not expressing even an ounce of sympathy or support either in person OR in a press release. Remember, this was a coach who was a close friend of Everflus. Yet Eberflus showed no sympathy publicly. That is why I think this would give pause to other coaches.
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Ones that want a job in the NFL? The jobs are limited
You’re right. But guys who just want an NFL job are not near as appealing to a team as guys who have earned an NFL job. These guys want a stable environment.
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Normally, you are different than most Scoopers - you actually understand nuance.
It wasn’t about the press release. It was about having a high level coach “resign” over health issues and not expressing even an ounce of sympathy or support either in person OR in a press release. Remember, this was a coach who was a close friend of Everflus. Yet Eberflus showed no sympathy publicly. That is why I think this would give pause to other coaches.
You are WAAAYYYYY overthinking this.
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You are WAAAYYYYY overthinking this.
Probably.
I think that’s a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.
6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.
Oops. Crash and burn on all points.
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You’re right. But guys who just want an NFL job are not near as appealing to a team as guys who have earned an NFL job. These guys want a stable environment.
Anyone who is an NFL assistant coach and values a "stable environment" is in the wrong career.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1704971145147982030
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Probably.
I think that’s a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.
6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.
Oops. Crash and burn on all points.
The Bears were never going to draft Jalen Carter. They were among several teams that took him off the board.
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Probably.
I think that’s a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.
6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.
Oops. Crash and burn on all points.
None of that has anything to do with Alan Williams.
Yes, the situation with Williams is odd. I'm sure a fuller picture of what's going on with him will emerge.
The Bears are saying very little. It's difficult for me to critique the approach without any details. It's possible that the team may not know the full extent of the situation as well.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1704971145147982030
By the time the playoffs get here, I wonder what stars will still be playing?
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By the time the playoffs get here, I wonder what stars will still be playing?
Trade Jaire to them
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Peddle Jaire for Buddy Hield, hey?
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What kind of numbers would Jerry Rice have in this era?
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What kind of numbers would Jerry Rice have in this era?
Probably worse.
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Probably worse.
Why? Isn't it more of a receiver friendly league? His stats are ridiculous. Would Moss be worse too?
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Why? Isn't it more of a receiver friendly league? His stats are ridiculous. Would Moss be worse too?
Oh, he’d still be the best receiver in the league. But it’s very doubtful that he would have 2 HoFers throwing to him. So I don’t think his numbers would be as good.
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Oh, he’d still be the best receiver in the league. But it’s very doubtful that he would have 2 HoFers throwing to him. So I don’t think his numbers would be as good.
That's fair.
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That's fair.
Forget Jerry Rice, Joe Montana would have put up crazy numbers
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Speaking of crazy numbers. Go check out Reggie White's numbers in the strike shortened 1987 season...
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This is Big News
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/travis-kelce-taylor-swift-dating-rumors-are-100-true-per-jason-kelce
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Looks like Chubb only tore his MCL. His ACL is damaged, but not torn. That sounds like about as good as anyone could have hoped for.
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What am I missing? The Bears are only 12.5 point dogs? Seems like Vegas is begging everyone to take the Chiefs.
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What kind of numbers would Jerry Rice have in this era?
He'd probably stick with 80. Rice is a traditionalist (as opposed to a traditional) and wouldn't brook with the single digit numbers kids wear these days.
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Fields could be an effective Taysom Hill type backup QB, if used properly by a coach and OC.
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Fields could be an effective Taysom Hill type backup QB, if used properly by a coach and OC.
Agreed. He’d be great if he received the snap 5 times a game and was otherwise a RB.
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Packers are absolutely putrid.
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What am I missing? The Bears are only 12.5 point dogs? Seems like Vegas is begging everyone to take the Chiefs.
I feel the same about the Panthers - playing without a half-dozen key starters, including their QB and defensive captain - only being a 4.5-point underdog in Seattle.
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I guess Tua has figured things out.
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Trevor Lawrence stinking out the joint today in Duval
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That’s great effort by the Packers, very resilient win this afternoon.
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not a good weekend for football fans in Colorado
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Joe Staley trying really hard to be the first coach fired.
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Joe Staley trying really hard to be the first coach fired.
Brandon Staley may get fired before him
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Jaguars might stink
Russell Wilson cooking up another L
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Brandon Staley may get fired before him
If Staley is employed this time tomorrow, the Chargers' owner hates winning.
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Joe Staley trying really hard to be the first coach fired.
I love the fact that coaches are getting bolder.
But bolder can also lead to stupider.
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Sean’s got that Denver ‘D’ rockin’.
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Horrible non-call in the Baltimore Indy game. Possible game decider.
And it was.
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Colts kicker first ever to hit 4 FG from 50+ in a game
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Rodgers personnel decisions remain unchallenged as his protege Zach Wilson lights it up for the Jets
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Get rid of Getsy by halftime.
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Maybe two 70 burgers today. ;D ;D
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Multiple folks reporting Alan Williams resignation was conduct related
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Multiple folks reporting Alan Williams resignation was conduct related
Almost always in these situations, it’s either resign or else you’re fired.
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Are the Bears the worst NFL team in history?
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Chiefs with plenty of time to get another TD.
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I’m kinda tired of the gaslighting by the announcers.
Justin is not a “budding superstar”.
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I’m kinda tired of the gaslighting by the announcers.
Justin is not a “budding superstar”.
LOL.
I didn't see a penalty on that TD by KC.
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Horrible non-call in the Baltimore Indy game.
Classic case of refs not wanting to "decide" the game ... which is exactly what they did by not enforcing the rules. Pathetic and cowardly.
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Are the Bears the worst NFL team in history?
No
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Bears are not only bad but it sure looks like they’ve quit
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Getting annihilated in the national window game and Taylor Swift dancing on your grave. Tough day for Da Bears fans
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Bears are not only bad but it sure looks like they’ve quit
Yeah. I think they need to make a coaching change of some sort.
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Did Fields regress, or was he just not the best QB in the NFC North last year?
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I’m kinda tired of the gaslighting by the announcers.
Justin is not a “budding superstar”.
What do you mean, he almost threw for 100 yards today.
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CJ Stroud played well today.
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Cardinal way showed up today.
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Given that the NFL is scripted, who did Virginia piss off for the Bears to suck so bad for so long. (note I realize the NFL is not scripted, but was reading about all the conspiracy theories, and the Adrian Foster interview...saying they receive scripts, and couldn't help but wonder what the Bears ownership and fans did to deserve their scripts).
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Try having one playoff win in 65 years.
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Hmm, field goal attempt.
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Broncos favored by 3 on the road next week. Oof!
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Anyone see the Fields press conference? He sounds like he is done. Talking about appreciating the small things in life, NFL football does not sound very important to hm right now.
For a young man who seems like a good person, it is sad to see his life dream dissolve in front of him and everyone else.
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Anyone see the Fields press conference? He sounds like he is done. Talking about appreciating the small things in life, NFL football does not sound very important to hm right now.
For a young man who seems like a good person, it is sad to see his life dream dissolve in front of him and everyone else.
And his former understudy at OSU, C.J. Stroud, is kicking it so far in Houston.
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And his former understudy at OSU, C.J. Stroud, is kicking it so far in Houston.
Many in Charlotte are already saying the Panthers should have taken Stroud. I'm not one of them; once the trade was made, I was on the Young train, and I knew the whole thing would be a project.
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Sounds like we have to cancel Travis Kelce
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Sounds like we have to cancel Travis Kelce
https://x.com/_chandler_____/status/1706336557492277401?s=20
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Ultimately, Taylor will write a song about it and make another $10 million.
Dad joke alert
Maybe the song she writes will be about Travis's unique way of expressing himself. She can call it 'Frasier.'
After that Kelce grammar.
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https://x.com/_chandler_____/status/1706336557492277401?s=20
What about China, Travis?
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Anyone see the Fields press conference? He sounds like he is done. Talking about appreciating the small things in life, NFL football does not sound very important to hm right now.
For a young man who seems like a good person, it is sad to see his life dream dissolve in front of him and everyone else.
https://x.com/LateGreatBears/status/1706139710194913630?s=20
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Lots of lousy teams that had 2-0 records, including 3 NFC South teams, got exposed this week.
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Lots of lousy teams that had 2-0 records, including 3 NFC South teams, got exposed this week.
Philly manhandled Tampa. I actually give the Buccs defense a lot of credit for how it held Philly to 25. That Eagles o-line was good
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Word is Saleh is losing the locker room continuing to trot out Wilson, a dumpster fire at its finest
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Word is Saleh is losing the locker room continuing to trot out Wilson, a dumpster fire at its finest
Who do they want him to play? Tim Boyle? It’s not like there are a bunch of amazing options he’s ignoring to the detriment of the locker room
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As a Head Coach, Saleh is a great Defensive Coordinator.
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As a Head Coach, Saleh is a great Defensive Coordinator.
The Bears would love to have that.
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As a Head Coach, Saleh is a great Defensive Coordinator.
My dream is Saleh gets fired and comes to GB as DC. He was best man for MLF’s wedding.
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My dream is Saleh gets fired and comes to GB as DC. He was best man for MLF’s wedding.
Then he fired his brother. So who knows…
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I think Saleh probably is toast in NY. I think they likely skid to a 3-4 win season and with Rodgers unlikely to return next year, the Jets just restart.
That being said, I think he will absolutely be a coach that pops back up and has success at his next stop after another 2-3 years of being a DC. I thought Saleh did a really good job with the Jets to this point. He took over an absolute mess after Bowles and Gase and brought them to the bring of competitiveness. The Jets went all in on Rodgers and everything that came with it, and they really had no back up plan. I think the plan was to not give up on Wilson, but also be able to shelter/grow him for 2 years behind Rodgers. Thats all blown up and nobody, including Saleh, is managing it well. But devils advocate, I think there are very few HCs, much less first time HCs, who would be able to manage it smoothly. Its so much more than just guiding your team when your starter went down.
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I think it is likely that Rodgers returns.
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I think Saleh probably is toast in NY. I think they likely skid to a 3-4 win season and with Rodgers unlikely to return next year, the Jets just restart.
That being said, I think he will absolutely be a coach that pops back up and has success at his next stop after another 2-3 years of being a DC. I thought Saleh did a really good job with the Jets to this point. He took over an absolute mess after Bowles and Gase and brought them to the bring of competitiveness. The Jets went all in on Rodgers and everything that came with it, and they really had no back up plan. I think the plan was to not give up on Wilson, but also be able to shelter/grow him for 2 years behind Rodgers. Thats all blown up and nobody, including Saleh, is managing it well. But devils advocate, I think there are very few HCs, much less first time HCs, who would be able to manage it smoothly. Its so much more than just guiding your team when your starter went down.
Agree with this with regards to Saleh.
Think the front office needs to be held to task, though. The Jets front office made the mistake of listening to Rodgers by bringing in his cronies and keeping Wilson. Rodgers is 39 behind a leaky line. At the least, have a backup the players believe in more than they do Wilson. That ship sailed last fall with Wilson’s postgame comments after a loss where he passed blame off.
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I think it is likely that Rodgers returns.
Head coach Tom Clements
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I think Saleh probably is toast in NY. I think they likely skid to a 3-4 win season and with Rodgers unlikely to return next year, the Jets just restart.
That being said, I think he will absolutely be a coach that pops back up and has success at his next stop after another 2-3 years of being a DC. I thought Saleh did a really good job with the Jets to this point. He took over an absolute mess after Bowles and Gase and brought them to the bring of competitiveness. The Jets went all in on Rodgers and everything that came with it, and they really had no back up plan. I think the plan was to not give up on Wilson, but also be able to shelter/grow him for 2 years behind Rodgers. Thats all blown up and nobody, including Saleh, is managing it well. But devils advocate, I think there are very few HCs, much less first time HCs, who would be able to manage it smoothly. Its so much more than just guiding your team when your starter went down.
I really like Saleh as a coach. I think he did as good of a job as possible for the Jets. Unfortunately for him, he's finding out what countless others have found out when coaching the Jets. They are unavoidably still the Jets, regardless of his best efforts. Whether it is institutional entropy, ownership micromanagement, an established culture of Murphy's Law, or having offended a witch in disguise ala the beginning of Beauty and the Beast, coaching that franchise is coaching on Hard Mode.
Sure he didn't bank on Rodgers going down, but there aren't really any other cards in his hand to play at this point. It might not be "his fault," but as the HC he's going to take the blame/fall.
He'll be a heckuva DC pickup for someone though.
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If I were the Jets, there is no way I would fire Saleh. He had them going great last year, and this year his top QB goes down.
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If I were the Jets, there is no way I would fire Saleh. He had them going great last year, and this year his top QB goes down.
I agree. It sounds like Rodgers plans to be back next year, and I’m not sure he decides to play with the Jets if it’s a brand new coaching staff.
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Add me to the list that thinks Saleh is good. His Jets tenure has been totally tied to Zach Wilson, and he’s towed the company line on that as best he can. Not only does Wilson suck, but the more important part is that he is a punk and has made his teammates hate him. There isn’t much Saleh can do about that.
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The jets should bring Saleh and Rodgers back but draft a QB in the first round
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https://x.com/KyleSloter/status/1707067153025814600?s=20
Another observer pointing out how bad the entire offense is.
Also, the bears will continue to be a horrible franchise until ownership changes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/26/bears-losing-streak/
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If I were the Jets, there is no way I would fire Saleh. He had them going great last year, and this year his top QB goes down.
I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.
If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.
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I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.
If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.
I’m sure he knows from LaFleur how fragile Rodgers ego is
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I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.
If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.
They were 7-4 before Wilson and the offense completely imploded. The organization had won 6 games total the previous 2 seasons.
And I watched the same Hard Knocks you did. I saw a coach who knew a big part of pushing that team to the next level was embracing the mystique and excitement of a HOF QB to make everyone forget the offensive collapse of last season and managing to score 15 total points the last 3 weeks of the year, even with the OROY. Until this weekend and that terrible presser (though it was largely carrying water for a clueless organization), I don’t know how you could come away with thinking Saleh isn’t impressive. Not to mention it’s not like he’s got a rep as a QB whisperer or offensive mind
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I think 'going great' should include making the Playoffs.
If you watched Hard Knocks, Saleh seemed more like ARod's personal cheerleader than Head Coach.
I'm also not sure how much that show should be taken as sufficient to infer things that it does not show. As in, obviously they have to cut vast swaths of what Salah's DTD activities were or it wouldn't be a watchable product. Maybe they made the editorial decision to focus on his Rodgers-Cheerleading because they thought that was the most compelling angle for the production.
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I'm also not sure how much that show should be taken as sufficient to infer things that it does not show. As in, obviously they have to cut vast swaths of what Salah's DTD activities were or it wouldn't be a watchable product. Maybe they made the editorial decision to focus on his Rodgers-Cheerleading because they thought that was the most compelling angle for the production.
I don’t dispute what you’re saying. And no head coach wins without a decent QB. Not even Belichick. Sean Peyton was a very good coach when he had Drew Brees. How good will he be with Russell Wilson?
I just question whether Saleh is a good head coach or not. There is not enough evidence to proclaim either way. There is evidence that he is/was a good DC.
Great QBs make the coach. Even if the Jets go 4-13, we still won’t know definitively how good Saleh is.
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https://x.com/KyleSloter/status/1707067153025814600?s=20
Another observer pointing out how bad the entire offense is.
Also, the bears will continue to be a horrible franchise until ownership changes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/26/bears-losing-streak/
I am for Tank 2.0 and hope the panthers finish 2nd worst.
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https://x.com/KyleSloter/status/1707067153025814600?s=20
Another observer pointing out how bad the entire offense is.
Also, the bears will continue to be a horrible franchise until ownership changes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/26/bears-losing-streak/
I can't agree 100% with Sloter. I've seen plenty of tape of Fields missing wide open receivers this year. I'll agree 50% of his position.
This level of incompetence is a total team effort.
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Who do they want him to play? Tim Boyle? It’s not like there are a bunch of amazing options he’s ignoring to the detriment of the locker room
Apparently the correct answer is Trevor Siemian.
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Tonight's game is just #4 in a long season, but it feels like an important one, especially for the Lions.
The biggest game the Lions have played since they were playoff contenders with Stafford in the mid-teens?
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(Insert Tower doom and gloom statement despite plenty of reason for optimism)
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Tonight's game is just #4 in a long season, but it feels like an important one, especially for the Lions.
The biggest game the Lions have played since they were playoff contenders with Stafford in the mid-teens?
I think so. Division game on the road where the Lions just won in week, sigh, 18 last year. Pack can go to 2-0 in division with a road win in hand.
That said, the way the NFL is, week-to-week up and downs, it’s hard to gauge what anything means but it feels important tonight
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Tonight's game is just #4 in a long season, but it feels like an important one, especially for the Lions.
The biggest game the Lions have played since they were playoff contenders with Stafford in the mid-teens?
As a Detroit (Royal Oak) resident, I’d say week 1 was bigger. There was SO much hype going into the year that it needed to be validated and they did that. Tonight is big but week 1 had a lot more buzz
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As a Detroit (Royal Oak) resident, I’d say week 1 was bigger. There was SO much hype going into the year that it needed to be validated and they did that. Tonight is big but week 1 had a lot more buzz
That's fair, and you would know.
From an outsider's perspective, tonight's game feels pretty important though.
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It's a big game because it is in the division, but at the end of the night, one team will be 3-1 and the other will be 2-2 with a lot of season left. Or maybe they'll both be 2-1-1?
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As a Detroit (Royal Oak) resident, I’d say week 1 was bigger. There was SO much hype going into the year that it needed to be validated and they did that. Tonight is big but week 1 had a lot more buzz
Livin' large on Main St., hey?
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Livin' large on Main St., hey?
13 and Woodward but I’ve stumbled down Main St a time or two
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Not far from Beaumont, aina?
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Pretty much. I’m on the other side of Woodward
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Not a bad spot for the Dream Cruise, hey?
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I am in a similar place as Cubs fans a decade ago. After 65 years of futility, I am going to have to be shown.
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"Chicago Bears coach Matt Eberflus said Wednesday that he will continue to call defensive plays for the remainder of the season"
I'd like to personally thank Matt for making the decision to fire him at the end of the season, or sooner, even easier. (that is assuming the reports that the decision to fire him has already been made are false)
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"Fields threw for 99 yards, a touchdown and an interception in a 41-10 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs last Sunday. His completion percentage and passer rating has declined each week since a season-opening loss to the Green Bay Packers, as have his number of pass attempts and the air yards per attempt."
" Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy is encouraged by the growth he's seeing from Justin Fields "
:o
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Does Bakh play another snap for the packers?
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Does Bakh play another snap for the packers?
Might make it out there for another game or two before having to shut it down permanently. His knee is more torn up than Jenna Jameson.
edit: nm I see he is on IR now.
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"Chicago Bears coach Matt Eberflus said Wednesday that he will continue to call defensive plays for the remainder of the season"
I'd like to personally thank Matt for making the decision to fire him at the end of the season, or sooner, even easier. (that is assuming the reports that the decision to fire him has already been made are false)
As clueless as I think this may be…he just lost his DC. I dont know if he has much choice regardless?
"Fields threw for 99 yards, a touchdown and an interception in a 41-10 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs last Sunday. His completion percentage and passer rating has declined each week since a season-opening loss to the Green Bay Packers, as have his number of pass attempts and the air yards per attempt."
" Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy is encouraged by the growth he's seeing from Justin Fields "
:o
Fields has been bad. And he’s regressed and given even fans of his plenty to doubt. But my god he’s being failed by coaching so badly. This is just a prime example. If this is a quote given to the press, how can he be getting realistic and actionable guidance behind closed doors? It’s one thing if Getsy slammed him or showed tough love to the press and then uses it to build or motivate in practice, but this is just awful. I’m sure Fields is disappointed with himself and knows he can be better, he alluded to as much in his comments last week. Having your OC come out and say this after that and a miserablele performance has got to be a mindf**k
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Why don't the Bears hire someone with a proven track record of developing QBs and just throw a garbage truck full of cash at him to fix their problem. At this point, even as a Packer fan, I feel awful for what Bears fans are going through year in and year out.
Mostly.
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As clueless as I think this may be…he just lost his DC. I dont know if he has much choice regardless?
Fields has been bad. And he’s regressed and given even fans of his plenty to doubt. But my god he’s being failed by coaching so badly. This is just a prime example. If this is a quote given to the press, how can he be getting realistic and actionable guidance behind closed doors? It’s one thing if Getsy slammed him or showed tough love to the press and then uses it to build or motivate in practice, but this is just awful. I’m sure Fields is disappointed with himself and knows he can be better, he alluded to as much in his comments last week. Having your OC come out and say this after that and a miserablele performance has got to be a mindf**k
As for being the DC, I somewhat agree but A) he has proven he can't handle being HC with a DC, now he is doing both jobs; B) this is another indictment of not building an NFL quality staff. Not having someone on the staff that can act as interim DC is laughable. Absolute clown show management. Is Matt going to cover kicking duties if the kicker gets injured?
As for Fields, I agree. Any casual fan can look at games or tape and see that the blame is about 50/50 Justin and coaching. The public statement of being happy with Field's play, paired with Justin's own comments, completely under-minds Getsy's credibility. There is zero reason for Getsy to trash Fields or even give an honest assessment of Fields to the public. But you can not praise his play and expect the public not to laugh at you. How about a neutral and un-verifiable statement "we are pleased with Justin's effort and dedication"?
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As for being the DC, I somewhat agree but A) he has proven he can't handle being HC with a DC, now he is doing both jobs; B) this is another indictment of not building an NFL quality staff. Not having someone on the staff that can act as interim DC is laughable. Absolute clown show management. Is Matt going to cover kicking duties if the kicker gets injured?
As for Fields, I agree. Any casual fan can look at games or tape and see that the blame is about 50/50 Justin and coaching. The public statement of being happy with Field's play, paired with Justin's own comments, completely under-minds Getsy's credibility. There is zero reason for Getsy to trash Fields or even give an honest assessment of Fields to the public. But you can not praise his play and expect the public not to laugh at you. How about a neutral and un-verifiable statement "we are pleased with Justin's effort and dedication"?
This quote from Getsy is even better:
“I think we’re in the process of building something special,” Getsy said, via Mark Potash of the Chicago Sun-Times. “We’re in the phase of it’s Week Three going into Week Four and we’re going on to find a way to attack Denver in a completely different way than we did Kansas City. . . . It’s a 17-week process. It is not a three-week process.”
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We'll be almost ready by Week 17. Or definitely by Week 17 of 2025!
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This quote from Getsy is even better:
“I think we’re in the process of building something special,” Getsy said, via Mark Potash of the Chicago Sun-Times. “We’re in the phase of it’s Week Three going into Week Four and we’re going on to find a way to attack Denver in a completely different way than we did Kansas City. . . . It’s a 17-week process. It is not a three-week process.”
Oh yeah, I think everyone see they are building something special :o
Great, an NFL Offensive Coordinator doesn't know it's an 18 week season. Or maybe he knows he will be fired after week 17.
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Packers o-line might suck
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D line sucks major ass too, hey?
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I'm a big fan of Kirk Herbstreit , but not for NFL.
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I'm a big fan of Kirk Herbstreit , but not for NFL.
I like him. Understands the game and communicates well.
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The Lions will stomp the Bears.
Of course Michigan would stomp the Bears too.
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Really impressed with the Lions.
They have done a great job of building good offensive and defensive lines, which makes things easier for everyone else.
Goff threw the early horrible INT but then showed a lot of maturity and mental toughness in bouncing right back to lead two nice scoring drives. He has good talent around him and uses it well, and Ben Johnson looks like a fine OC.
Fun team to watch, too, partly because of their coach's personality (and therefore the team's personality).
They play the Panthers at home next. That figures to be a very ugly one for my lads. I hope Young survives.
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Claypool inactive today for the Bears.(cut?)
Tyson Bagent now QB#2
Neither of these seem to be desperate moves to me, just common sense.
(the "desperate stuff" is still to come later)
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Really impressed with the Lions.
They have done a great job of building good offensive and defensive lines, which makes things easier for everyone else.
Goff threw the early horrible INT but then showed a lot of maturity and mental toughness in bouncing right back to lead two nice scoring drives. He has good talent around him and uses it well, and Ben Johnson looks like a fine OC.
Fun team to watch, too, partly because of their coach's personality (and therefore the team's personality).
They play the Panthers at home next. That figures to be a very ugly one for my lads. I hope Young survives.
82, Young will be just fine. He needs one full year to develop and he will be off to the races. The good thing is that he is on a team that can afford the luxury of letting him play and not pulling him when things aren't going exactly the way they want it to go. Kinda like the opposite of what's been happening in Chicago for the last decade. I've seen Young in high school, college, and now in the NFL. I think he will only get better as time goes on.
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Fields outplaying Russell Wilson
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82, Young will be just fine. He needs one full year to develop and he will be off to the races. The good thing is that he is on a team that can afford the luxury of letting him play and not pulling him when things aren't going exactly the way they want it to go. Kinda like the opposite of what's been happening in Chicago for the last decade. I've seen Young in high school, college, and now in the NFL. I think he will only get better as time goes on.
I agree. I'm a Bryce Young fan, he's the guy I wanted the Panthers to draft once they made the trade, and I know it almost always takes time for QBs to make the jump to the NFL.
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Fields outplaying Russell Wilson
How bad is Denver?
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How bad is Denver?
They’re terrible. And that Wilson contract looks worse and worse each game
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Defense optional in buffalo
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Bears are f-ing up the Tank 2.0 plan.
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How did Miami only score 70 against this Broncos defense?
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How did Miami only score 70 against this Broncos defense?
Nice.
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In the first halves of their last two games, the Broncos have allowed 1 incompletion.
That incompletion was the Hail Mary attempt by Fields to end the half.
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Jags win in London versus Falcons. Defense led the way
Bijan Robinson with another solid outing for Falcons.
Nags stay in London to play The Bills next week
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-vs-falcons-score-takeaways-josh-allen-makes-history-in-london-as-jacksonville-rolls-to-week-4-win/live/amp/
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Caleb Williams might as well have stayed in Colorado after yesterday’s game.
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Give Fields all the money and all the years you can ASAP. Can’t risk letting that talent get away.
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Give Fields all the money and all the years you can ASAP. Can’t risk letting that talent get away.
I have no idea what the Broncos are doing on defense.
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Boxers training included abstinence, trainers said S&x weakened the legs ….
https://pagesix.com/2023/10/01/travis-kelce-spends-the-night-with-taylor-swift-ahead-of-kansas-city-chiefs-game/amp/
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I have no idea what the Broncos are doing on defense.
Neither does The Genius.
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Oh no, Bears.
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Bears are f-ing up the Tank 2.0 plan.
Have faith
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Lol.
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Oh no, Bears.
Bump.
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WTF was that? Burning an unnecessary timeout for that?
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Vikings finally found a team they could beat.
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Have faith
Always
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I’d say unbelievable, but totally believable.
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Bear Down(s)
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Not kicking the FG there is an absolutely bizarre decision.
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Were the Bears up 27-7?
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Give Fields all the money and all the years you can ASAP. Can’t risk letting that talent get away.
Bump
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Have faith
Tank 2.0 is back on the menu!
And My Panthers tm are keeping up their end of the bargain too.
The Toy Story broadcast was awesome.
What a Sunday!
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Were the Bears up 27-7?
28-7
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Bears crushed my football soul a long time ago. They don’t deserve Caleb Williams.
Last year I was more than fine with tanking. This season is just beyond sad, they deserve to be in football hell.
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Bears crushed my football soul a long time ago. They don’t deserve Caleb Williams.
Last year I was more than fine with tanking. This season is just beyond sad, they deserve to be in football hell.
If they keep playing Fields, you know the tank is on.
I will say, Fields was once again only 50% of the reason they lost. The coaches are not NFL caliber.
And, I have to say, the refs were very favorable to the Bears today.
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Tank 2.0 is back on the menu!
And My Panthers tm are keeping up their end of the bargain too.
The Toy Story broadcast was awesome.
What a Sunday!
Do Your Panthers suck, too? My Panthers sure do.
And congrats to Not Your Bears on another big week!
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28-7
Wow.
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Do Your Panthers suck, too? My Panthers sure do.
And congrats to Not Your Bears on another big week!
They are still my team. For some reason. Have lived in WI since 1996, if I was going to change teams, it would have been sometime in the Farve/Rodgers era. Alas.
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Rams square up at 2-2 for the season. Not an impressive win at Indy today, but they got the W.
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The entire Bears team on pace for 8 sacks this year. :o
The law of averages say the will end up with more........... maybe 12?
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https://twitter.com/Zack_Pearson/status/1708591771549134884?t=JSbw29jWvyFU_LMTkNtirw&s=19
What a joke
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https://twitter.com/Zack_Pearson/status/1708591771549134884?t=JSbw29jWvyFU_LMTkNtirw&s=19
What a joke
Train wreck. ARod needs to sell the team and clean the entire house.
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Matt Eberflus says Claypool was given the option to come to the game
The Chicago Bears say Claypool was told to stay home.
Maybe the Bears should talk to their head coach.
** sorry, slow on my post**
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Kinda think the Pats need to move on from Belichick. He’s a legend but it’s just not been very good since Brady left.
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Cj Stroud had another good game and Texans win big over The Steelers .
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Kinda think the Pats need to move on from Belichick. He’s a legend but it’s just not been very good since Brady left.
He wasn’t that good before Brady, either.
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Do we need to re-assess how good Cooper Krupp was/is? Was it the system that made him great?
Puca is putting up even bigger numbers after being plugged in to Kupp’s spot. On pace for 170 catches and 2,000 yards.
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The entire Bears team on pace for 8 sacks this year. :o
The law of averages say the will end up with more........... maybe 12?
Khalil Mack.on pace for 8 sacks. this game
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Is Eberflus just the defensive version of Trestman?
I think this game ends Eberflus’ career as a head coach although these dysfunctional idiots will let him stay on.
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Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?
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Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?
The Colts did once. Early 90s. Took Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt,
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Gotta respect Brandon Staley's commitment to the bit.
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The Colts did once. Early 90s. Took Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt,
Man, the Colts really made the best of that didn't they. Wonder if the Bears can outdo them.
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Man, the Colts really made the best of that didn't they. Wonder if the Bears can outdo them.
To be fair, the '92 draft is usually considered the weakest in league history. And Emtman was an absolute beast in college, but injuries killed his NFL career. Coryatt was just bad.
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Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?
Not after My Panthers win their next 13 games.
The big one will be the Nov. 9 Thurs Nighter vs. Youse Guys' Bears!
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Still a long way to go, but the Bears are likely to have the #1 and #2 picks of the draft. Has that ever happened?
I just read that Eberfluus said after the game he didn't know why Claypool wasn't on the sidelines? It was reported he was told to stay home. What on God's Green Earth is going on?
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Hey - I am not sure, but I think Taylor Swift may be at the Chiefs game.
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Matt Eberflus says Claypool was given the option to come to the game
The Chicago Bears say Claypool was told to stay home.
Maybe the Bears should talk to their head coach.
** sorry, slow on my post**
I missed you post earlier. This is truly a dumpster fire.
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Riverboat Ron Rivera had a chance to beat Philly in regulation … but he was too chicken to go for a 2-point conversion.
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How sad will Roger (and the networks, and the internet) be when Kelce and Swift break up?
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A frustrated Ja'Marr Chase to Cincinnati reporters:
"I'm open. I'm always f@$kin' open. Excuse my profanity. I'm sorry."
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How sad will Roger (and the networks, and the internet) be when Kelce and Swift break up?
What will be his reaction if Taylor doesn’t Protect the Shield in her songs about it?
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Kinda think the Pats need to move on from Belichick. He’s a legend but it’s just not been very good since Brady left.
Apparently Belichick to the Bears was a topic on ESPN radio.
Yes, please.
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Apparently Belichick to the Bears was a topic on ESPN radio.
Yes, please.
What if Belichick is neither a very good coach nor a very good GM anymore? His record sans Brady is pretty putrid, and he wouldn't exactly be a long-term solution.
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Apparently Belichick to the Bears was a topic on ESPN radio.
Yes, please.
Yeah I don't think you want that at all.
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Belichick to the Bears would give me Phil Jackson to the Knicks type of vibes. A great coach, but we’ll past their prime.
Granted, Phil went as an executive. But I think Belichick the executive is making things much harder on Belichick the coach.
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Belichick to the Bears would give me Phil Jackson to the Knicks type of vibes. A great coach, but we’ll past their prime.
Granted, Phil went as an executive. But I think Belichick the executive is making things much harder on Belichick the coach.
Putting Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge of Mac Jones second year development after McDaniels left was a terrible decision.
Anyway, I know it seems unfair to run a GM out of town after less than two years, but they again need a complete rebuild. Kevin Warren should have the ability to get his group of guys in there.
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Putting Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge of Mac Jones second year development after McDaniels left was a terrible decision.
Anyway, I know it seems unfair to run a GM out of town after less than two years, but they again need a complete rebuild. Kevin Warren should have the ability to get his group of guys in there.
Poles screwed up their last off-season big time. Spent big $$$ on linebackers when they are the least important position in their scheme, didn’t use their huge pile of cap money on the OL, and failed to draft the consensus #1 player.
People can bad- mouth Carter, but the draft showed why there are teams that are perennial winners and teams that are perennial losers. The losing teams all passed on Carter. The 1st winning organization to draft snatched him up in a second.
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He wasn’t that good before Brady, either.
That’s not totally fair. He did good stuff in Cleveland. He took over a dumpster fire, got them to the playoffs and won a game and then they were a popular Super Bowl pick heading into 95 before Modell turned the franchise on its head with the shock move announcement.
What if Belichick is neither a very good coach nor a very good GM anymore? His record sans Brady is pretty putrid, and he wouldn't exactly be a long-term solution.
I think the latter is the issue, he’s not been a good GM at all for awhile. I think a HUGE part of why he was successful as both was Scott Pioli. That was really the building blocks of the dynasty. Then by the time Pioli left they had a stacked roster and a superstar QB. That made up for a lot of roster issues going forward.
So you have a combination of a system that was wildly successful but the rest of the NFL caught up to, as they do, a lacking GM who probably has too much on his plate now, and flawed nepotism/loyalty with coaching. It’s hard to notice/correct that when you’re full bought into your own merited past genius.
Even with a really good Brady, they still wouldn’t be the class of the AFC, much less the NFL.
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People can bad- mouth Carter, but the draft showed why there are teams that are perennial winners and teams that are perennial losers. The losing teams all passed on Carter. The 1st winning organization to draft snatched him up in a second.
Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.
The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league
That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.
Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.
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That’s not totally fair. He did good stuff in Cleveland. He took over a dumpster fire, got them to the playoffs and won a game and then they were a popular Super Bowl pick heading into 95 before Modell turned the franchise on its head with the shock move announcement.
The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.
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The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.
Right. Great coaches typically have great rosters, and most importantly great QBs.
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The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.
Belichick's record when Brady was out in NE was very impressive. The prevailing thought was it was more Belichick than Brady.
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Belichick's record when Brady was out in NE was very impressive. The prevailing thought was it was more Belichick than Brady.
He had two years without Brady prior to his trade to Tampa. His first, where they went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe as the starter. And 2008, where they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.
I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's a brilliant defensive mind. But hiring a 71 year old who wants total control, and a relatively meager recent track record, is not what I think the Bears should be doing.
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He had two years without Brady prior to his trade to Tampa. His first, where they went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe as the starter. And 2008, where they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.
I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's a brilliant defensive mind. But hiring a 71 year old who wants total control, and a relatively meager recent track record, is not what I think the Bears should be doing.
It’s a terrible idea. I don’t know what the answer is in Chicago but I’m confident it’s not Belichick.
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The people who say "look at Belichick's record without Brady" ought to check out Bill Walsh's record without Montana or Don Shula without Griese/Marino or Marv Levy without Jim Kelly or Mike Tomlin without Roethlisberger or Sean Payton without Brees, etc.
Shula orchestrated the only undefeated season in NFL history despite Griese getting hurt and 100-year-old Earl Morrall having to start a majority of the games. In a move that was controversial at the time, Shula pivoted back to Griese in the middle of a tie playoff game.
Shula also had a Super Bowl season with effen David Woodley as his starting QB, bringing Don Strock in relief whenever the Dolphins' offense would (inevitably) sputter.
As a young Colts coach, Shula won an important game when he had to use RB Tom Matte at QB due to injuries, and he would have won a playoff game with Matte at QB had the Packers not benefited from a bad officiating call on a made FG.
When Shula had Griese, Csonka, Morris and a great offensive line, he ran the ball down the other team's throats. After he drafted Marino (who nobody else wanted due to unfounded drug rumors), Clayton and Duper, Shula changed his offense completely.
Pretty good coach - 2 losing seasons in 33 years.
But yes, I really do get your point.
Belichick's record when Brady was out in NE was very impressive. The prevailing thought was it was more Belichick than Brady.
Brady was incredibly durable. There was only one year in which he missed most of a season - and yes, that year (2008), Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB (but missed the playoffs). In 2016, Belichick went 3-1 when Garoppolo and Brissett had to start 2 games each. So obviously, Belichick and his assistants did a good job in those situations. But the Patriots have fallen apart since Brady left after the 2019 season - and Brady won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.
Look, Belichick has won a bazillion Super Bowls and obviously is a Hall of Fame coach. But I'm not sure I'd be pining for a 71-year-old guy who has done very little sans Brady and whose work as GM has been shaky at best for years. But you're free to pine for him if you want.
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It’s a terrible idea. I don’t know what the answer is in Chicago but I’m confident it’s not Belichick.
I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it’s worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense
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The Panthers interviewed Lions OC Ben Johnson and were said to be very impressed with him. I think he had a couple other interviews, too. He ended up deciding to stay in Detroit for at least one more year.
He might be a good get for the Bears (or anyone else).
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Look, Belichick has won a bazillion Super Bowls and obviously is a Hall of Fame coach. But I'm not sure I'd be pining for a 71-year-old guy who has done very little sans Brady and whose work as GM has been shaky at best for years. But you're free to pine for him if you want.
I understand there are very good reasons to not hire Belichick. I tend to agree with all of them.
But Belichick could have three strokes and Alzheimer's and be a massive upgrade for the Bears.
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I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it’s worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense
I think hiring an offensive coordinator who doesn't call plays gets you the next Nathanial Hackett or Matt Nagy.
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I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it’s worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense
Ben Johnson of Detroit, as MU82 mentioned, will be a head coach in the NFL next year. If the Bills keep putting up numbers like they have been, Ken Dorsey will get a lot of looks, too.
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I think hiring an offensive coordinator who doesn't call plays gets you the next Nathanial Hackett or Matt Nagy.
Then again, it could get you the next Mike McDaniels, Nick Sirianni or Zac Taylor.
Probably really just a case-by-case thing.
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The Panthers interviewed Lions OC Ben Johnson and were said to be very impressed with him. I think he had a couple other interviews, too. He ended up deciding to stay in Detroit for at least one more year.
He might be a good get for the Bears (or anyone else).
There will likely be several Detroit assistants interviewing if this season continues on the current track. Johnson and Glenn, at a minimum. Brunell is probably ready to move from QB coach to OC somewhere, if not a HC gig.
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Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.
The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league
That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.
Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.
Not to mention Carter, on this Bears D, would be double teamed all the time and look terrible.
Easy to look good in Philly when there's significantly more talent in the rest of the D line.
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I know Mike McDaniels calls the plays in Miami but I think it’s worth interviewing their OC. I hope the Bears go with an offensive coach rather than defense
Frank Smith, the OC, is actually from Cedarburg.
Also, he was the anchor of the OL for Big Ben at Miami. And history shows if you’re an NFL HC as a Miami alum, you’re probably gonna win a Super Bowl.
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I understand there are very good reasons to not hire Belichick. I tend to agree with all of them.
But Belichick could have three strokes and Alzheimer's and be a massive upgrade for the Bears.
Talk about COLE.
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Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.
The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league
That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.
Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.
The difference is that good teams overcome their mistakes. Hence the Bears end up with Claypool and a couple of very mediocre looking DLs.
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Talk about COLE.
COLE = Bears Fans 2023 :(
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That’s not totally fair. He did good stuff in Cleveland. He took over a dumpster fire, got them to the playoffs and won a game and then they were a popular Super Bowl pick heading into 95 before Modell turned the franchise on its head with the shock move announcement.
I think the latter is the issue, he’s not been a good GM at all for awhile. I think a HUGE part of why he was successful as both was Scott Pioli. That was really the building blocks of the dynasty. Then by the time Pioli left they had a stacked roster and a superstar QB. That made up for a lot of roster issues going forward.
So you have a combination of a system that was wildly successful but the rest of the NFL caught up to, as they do, a lacking GM who probably has too much on his plate now, and flawed nepotism/loyalty with coaching. It’s hard to notice/correct that when you’re full bought into your own merited past genius.
Even with a really good Brady, they still wouldn’t be the class of the AFC, much less the NFL.
There is a lot of accuracy in this post.
And controversial statement. Had Brady stayed in NE instead of going to TB, they likely wouldn't have been any better than they've been without him. Brady in part left, because he couldn't have success in NE with the way their line deteriorated and with their lack of skill players.
He chose TB, because they had a dominant offensive and defensive line, and strong WRs...which meant he could win there.
Brady was smart, he knew what he needed to have success at his age and to continue playing. TB had it, NE didn't.
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Giants are a fraud, were last year too...
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And controversial statement. Had Brady stayed in NE instead of going to TB, they likely wouldn't have been any better than they've been without him.
That's not "controversial," it's simply an unprovable opinion. We all have them.
As for the Bears being better off with Belichick at least partly because of the way Bears coaches have ruined Justin Fields ... Mac Jones says hi.
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Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.
The Eagles have done very well, but even they're a great illustration of the fluky/random nature of the draft.
Howie Roseman's last 10 first-round drafts include:
2014: Marcus Smith, started 0 games, out of the league since 2018
2015: Nelson Algohor, five disappointing seasons in Philly, now on his fifth team
2016: Carson Wentz, out of the league
2019: Andre Dillard, in Tennessee after only nine starts over three seasons with the Eagles
2020: Jaelen Reagor, out of the league
That's five missed picks in his last 10 first rounds. That's not to say Roseman is bad - he's obviously very good - but don't tall into the trap of thinking "the Eagles did it, so it must be a great move." Everyone misses.
Again, nobody is surprised that Carter is good. Literally everyone knew Carter was good. The question is, and remains, will Monday through Saturday Jalen Carter eventually catch up with Sunday Jalen Carter.
Plenty of questionable character guys looked great at first, only to implode (see: Darrell Russell, Aldon Smith, Aaron Hernandez, etc.). I hope that's not the case for Carter, but it's way too early to be declaring victory there.
“Literally everyone knew Carter was good” vs 5 #1s out of 10 who weren’t good (crapshoot). And actually everyone knew that Carter was VERY good, quite possibly the most talented player in the draft. Thanks for pointing out why Carter was a no brainer at #9 (Bears) or #10 (Eagles). If there’s a 50% chance you’ll get a bum anyway, why not take a guy with “history” but top tier talent?
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“Literally everyone knew Carter was good” vs 5 #1s out of 10 who weren’t good (crapshoot). And actually everyone knew that Carter was VERY good, quite possibly the most talented player in the draft. Thanks for pointing out why Carter was a no brainer at #9 (Bears) or #10 (Eagles). If there’s a 50% chance you’ll get a bum anyway, why not take a guy with “history” but top tier talent?
Yeah, unless you have guys graded real close to one another, its not the worst thing in the NFL to take a risk on high level talent. And to be clear about Carter, he didn't have a reputation as a chronic trouble maker right? It's just that his January incident was REEEEAAALLLYYYY bad.
And has been pointed out, even good GMs miss on first round picks regularly. Ron Wolf drafted 10 first round picks for the Packers and the only one to make the pro bowl was....Bubba Franks. He made up for it being really good in other rounds though, which is where IMO the good GMs excel.
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Seattle, which has had a winning record in 10 of the last 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of them, passed him up.
Maybe because they knew they had someone better in Witherspoon.
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Giants are a fraud, were last year too...
Don't people have to think that you're good in order to be a fraud?
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Don't people have to think that you're good in order to be a fraud?
I don’t think anyone thought they were good by this point, but people thought they were on the cusp last year, very high in Daboll, big expectations going into this season.
But there is no bigger fraud than Daniel the Hustler Jones. Second worst contract in NFL history behind Kyler Murray. (Not counting Watson cause he was a far superior QB before the allegations and it remains to be seen if he gets back to Pro Bowl level, it’s only been 9 games back
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Daboll and Jones were not best buds last night.
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Daboll and Jones were not best buds last night.
I still am high in Daboll as an offensive mind (maybe not as a HC yet) but I think this is the first time in a decade he hasn’t had elite talent.
He was the TE coach for the Pats after Gronk was already a monster. Then the OC for a Bama team that had 3 NFL starting QBs, 2 future first rounders and 2 3rd rounders at RB, and 4 first rounders at WR. Then once he got to Buffalo, Allen was raw but he was an elite talent. Jones is none of that and he doesn’t have his star WR.
If he can’t work with and maneuver around this diversity, he’s just another of many OCs that a great with studs but can’t make lemonade out of lemons
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Yeah, unless you have guys graded real close to one another, its not the worst thing in the NFL to take a risk on high level talent. And to be clear about Carter, he didn't have a reputation as a chronic trouble maker right? It's just that his January incident was REEEEAAALLLYYYY bad.
No, he had a reputation as a chronic troublemaker. Not so much legal stuff (though there are other instances of excessive speeding), but being late for meetings and practices, poor effort, arguing with coaches, fighting teammates, etc. It's telling that the Georgia coaching staff essentially washed their hands of him when he declared for the draft.
And it didn't help when he showed up to his pro day overweight and unable to finish drills.
I think it's worth taking into account the different environments Carter would find himself in with the Bears vs the Eagles. Philly has a veteran, successful team with a core leadership group and several former Georgia teammates. It's also a place where he wouldn't have to step in right away and be "The guy."
The Bears, on the other hand, are a trainwreck, with no apparent leadership, no indication success on the horizon and no talent that would allow Carter to grow into his role and not be the focus of opponents' blocking schemes.
I'm not saying the Bears were right or wrong here. The jury is still out there. But it wasn't some outlandish, unreasonable decision, regardless of how it turns out. The red flags on Carter were real and led several teams to take him off their boards.
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I don’t think anyone thought they were good by this point, but people thought they were on the cusp last year, very high in Daboll, big expectations going into this season.
But there is no bigger fraud than Daniel the Hustler Jones. Second worst contract in NFL history behind Kyler Murray. (Not counting Watson cause he was a far superior QB before the allegations and it remains to be seen if he gets back to Pro Bowl level, it’s only been 9 games back
Plenty of people here said I was wrong when I bashed the contract Jones got during the offseason.
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I think it's worth taking into account the different environments Carter would find himself in with the Bears vs the Eagles. Philly has a veteran, successful team with a core leadership group and several former Georgia teammates. It's also a place where he wouldn't have to step in right away and be "The guy."
The Bears, on the other hand, are a trainwreck, with no apparent leadership, no indication success on the horizon and no talent that would allow Carter to grow into his role and not be the focus of opponents' blocking schemes.
This exactly. And it all starts at the top - especially Poles. They had a boatload of cap space. Sign a top DL and a top OL. Get veteran leadership.
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Hard to believe the Lions aren't even a 10-point favorite over the Panthers.
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Hard to believe the Lions aren't even a 10-point favorite over the Panthers.
"On any given Sunday ...."
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Hard to believe the Lions aren't even a 10-point favorite over the Panthers.
The Bear's only got 12.5 at KC.
Easy money.
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Hard to believe the Lions aren't even a 10-point favorite over the Panthers.
Historically, this is a game Detroit would find a way to lose. Perhaps even Vegas has some reservations.
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9 point wins in the NFL are big wins. Especially when it can be 15 with 2 minutes left and the trailing team scores a touchdown to cut the lead.
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The Bear's only got 12.5 at KC.
Easy money.
KC-Chicago was one of the two best bets of the football season so far IMHO. The other was Colorado being only a 3-point favorite over Nebraska.
I wouldn't put Detroit -9 over Carolina up there with those. But the Panthers are a mess and the Lions, playing at home, aren't. I just think this one could be really ugly, like 38-3 ugly.
Historically, this is a game Detroit would find a way to lose.
This Lions team has nothing to do with the 2019 or 2008 or 1984 Lions. I get fans' tendency to fixate on past failures, but c'mon.
9 point wins in the NFL are big wins. Especially when it can be 15 with 2 minutes left and the trailing team scores a touchdown to cut the lead.
Fair.
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This Lions team has nothing to do with the 2019 or 2008 or 1984 Lions. I get fans' tendency to fixate on past failures, but c'mon.
The Lions could be 14-2 going into Week 18 this year and Tower would be grousing that they can still miss the playoffs cause it’s the Lions
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No, at that point, with that record, they will have clinched their first home playoff game in 30+ years.
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The Lions could be 14-2 going into Week 18 this year and Tower would be grousing that they can still miss the playoffs cause it’s the Lions
It's not just tower. It's classic fandom, especially for fans of franchises that haven't won in decades (or forever). I know a lot of big-time Cubbie fans, including the two I fathered, and they were convinced right up until the final out of the 2016 World Series that the Cubs would blow it.
I don't blame tower for being leery of these Lions because he and other Detroit fans have been burned many a time, but I also stated a simple fact that these Lions have nothing to do with those of yesteryear. And yesteryear's Lions definitely have nothing to do with the probability that these Lions are about to crush the Panthers.
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No, at that point, with that record, they will have clinched their first home playoff game in 30+ years.
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It's not just tower. It's classic fandom, especially for fans of franchises that haven't won in decades (or forever). I know a lot of big-time Cubbie fans, including the two I fathered, and they were convinced right up until the final out of the 2016 World Series that the Cubs would blow it.
I don't blame tower for being leery of these Lions because he and other Detroit fans have been burned many a time, but I also stated a simple fact that these Lions have nothing to do with those of yesteryear. And yesteryear's Lions definitely have nothing to do with the probability that these Lions are about to crush the Panthers.
Fair, but part of fandom, even for beaten down organizations is excitement or hope. I’m a Cubs fan, I know the sentiment you’re referring to. But I was excited and hopeful in 2015 and even after Daniel Murphy murdered the Cubs in the first NLCS appearance since Bartman, I was beyond excited and optimistic heading into 2016.
I respect Tower’s struggle, and the struggle of all Lions fans, but I’ve not seen a single glimmer of excitement. Just a gloomy “this is where it will probably fail” to every positive comment from neutral or even rival fans. That’s all I’m teasing about.
My good friend is a diehard Browns fan. He was born in 88 so he’s had basically only misters but he seems like an ultra Pollyanna in comparison
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And BTW … not only haven’t the Panthers won yet, they also haven’t covered the spread yet.
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RIP Dick Butkus, one of the best linebackers to ever play the game. That SI cover of Butkus from 1970 remains an iconic image.
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RIP Dick Butkus, one of the best linebackers to ever play the game. That SI cover of Butkus from 1970 remains an iconic image.
Bears by a million tonight.
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Truly sad day. One of the greatest ever.
Also one hell of an actor. ;)
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RIP Dick Butkus, one of the best linebackers to ever play the game. That SI cover of Butkus from 1970 remains an iconic image.
Not a Bears fan but Butkus highlights always amazed me. And by all accounts, an even better person
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RIP Dick Butkus, one of the best linebackers to ever play the game. That SI cover of Butkus from 1970 remains an iconic image.
Best middle linebacker ever. RIP
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I’m sure this is in the moment, and there’s probably plenty of other examples, but I’m not sure there’s ever been a player who personified where he was from and where he played, more than Butkus.
Played at CVS, went to Illinois, played for the Bears. He was figuratively “the” Monster of the Midway. Saw him at the opener just last month, he looked pretty good.
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Best middle linebacker ever. RIP
Ray Lewis and it's not really close.
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Best middle linebacker ever. RIP
How badass was the man for those of us that never saw him other than clips?? Ty. May he rest in peace.
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Truly sad day. One of the greatest ever.
Also one hell of an actor. ;)
They better fking show up tonight WT.
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Ray Lewis and it's not really close.
Very different league when Butkus and Lewis played. Each were the best of their generation.
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Very different league when Butkus and Lewis played. Each were the best of their generation.
Right, it’s definitely close. Lewis also moved to the outside mid career.
Butkus was first team all pro more than half his career, Lewis played much longer obviously and made more first team all pros. Splitting hairs here.
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Ray Lewis and it's not really close.
Butkus was the NFL defensive player of the year in 1969 when the Bears won 1 freakin’ game. Never before, never again.
He was 1st team All Pro 6 times in 9 years and two of those years were after a botched knee operation that should have ended his career.
Greatest ever.
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Butkus was the NFL defensive player of the year in 1969 when the Bears won 1 freakin’ game. Never before, never again.
He was 1st team All Pro 6 times in 9 years and two of those years were after a botched knee operation that should have ended his career.
Greatest ever.
Lewis was defensive player of the year twice, was first team all Pro seven times in a much larger league, and was so good that his team never only won one game.
Greatest ever. Not even close.
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Is Iowa playing the Bears?
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Lewis was defensive player of the year twice, was first team all Pro seven times in a much larger league, and was so good that his team never only won one game.
Greatest ever. Not even close.
Butkus and Lewis each won it twice. Lewis needed 16 years to make first team All Pro 7 times. Butkus did it 6 times in 9 years, the last 2 playing on knees that should have had him retired. Lewis was surrounded by lots of other good players. Butkus was on an island.
All in all, the numbers favor (slightly) Butkus. Anyone who says “Lewis and it’s not even close” is either trolling or an idiot.
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Da 🐻 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄.
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Good start.
Excellent protection. Great reads and great throws
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Butkus and Lewis each won it twice. Lewis needed 16 years to make first team All Pro 7 times. Butkus did it 6 times in 9 years, the last 2 playing on knees that should have had him retired. Lewis was surrounded by lots of other good players. Butkus was on an island.
All in all, the numbers favor (slightly) Butkus. Anyone who says “Lewis and it’s not even close” is either trolling or an idiot.
Lewis was a killer LB.
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Wow. He was just at Soldier Field for the Bears/Packers game and seemed really excited about it on Twitter.
RIP
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Butkus and Lewis each won it twice. Lewis needed 16 years to make first team All Pro 7 times. Butkus did it 6 times in 9 years, the last 2 playing on knees that should have had him retired. Lewis was surrounded by lots of other good players. Butkus was on an island.
All in all, the numbers favor (slightly) Butkus. Anyone who says “Lewis and it’s not even close” is either trolling or an idiot.
😂😂😂😂. The old man turns to insults.
Anyway Lewis was better. Not even close.
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Lewis was a killer LB.
A better killer, not even close.
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😂😂😂😂. The old man turns to insults.
Anyway Lewis was better. Not even close.
Tried to throw you a lifeline, not surprised you stubbornly passed it up. You be you.
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Tried to throw you a lifeline, not surprised you stubbornly passed it up. You be you.
You think I need a lifeline…from you????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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😂😂😂😂. The old man turns to insults.
Anyway Lewis was better. Not even close.
Lewis was an awesome player. Lewis is a horrible person, not even debatable.
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Lewis was an awesome player. Lewis is a horrible person, not even debatable.
Was I debating that?
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🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄!!
Who are these guys?
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DJ Moore and Fields looking good.
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The Bears are a different team tonight.
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Quite the effort by Washington. I’d say the defense quit, but they would have had to do something to quit from.
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It’s Denver & Washington, but Fields last six quarters: 40/54, 524 yards, 7 passing TD’s, 1 fumble, 1 INT, 134.6 passer rating.
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There are a ton of crappy NFL teams. Props to this half though from Da Bears.
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The Bears look a lot better when they block the other team instead of themselves and don't have receivers run the exact same routs to the exact same spot and tackle the ball carrier. Crazy type of coaching know nothing fans and analyst have begged for.
(it won't last)
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Bears must be nervous that Caleb Williams doesn’t want to play there.
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Was I debating that?
Well, saying Butkus is not close to Lewis will cause people to question your judgement and wonder what color the sky is in your world.
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Hall of fame metrics rank him 4th all time at inside linebacker, behind Lewis, Lambert, and Singletary. He was really good. So were they.
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On the twitters this evening:
Crazy NFL fact: Jim Harbaugh has more rushing yards than Bo Jackson
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This game definitely far from over.
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Well, saying Butkus is not close to Lewis will cause people to question your judgement and wonder what color the sky is in your world.
I believe Fluffy also stated that Bird wasn't close to Magic.
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If the Bears find a way to lose this game, I would 99% believe they are intentionally losing games in the 2nd half.
They've looked dominant, and almost perfect in the 1st half this game and last, and have looked pretty terrible in 2nd halves.
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If the Bears find a way to lose this game, I would 99% believe they are intentionally losing games in the 2nd half.
They've looked dominant, and almost perfect in the 1st half this game and last, and have looked pretty terrible in 2nd halves.
They'll hold on.
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If the Bears find a way to lose this game, I would 99% believe they are intentionally losing games in the 2nd half.
They've looked dominant, and almost perfect in the 1st half this game and last, and have looked pretty terrible in 2nd halves.
3rd quarter looked like they gave up on both sides of the ball
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DJ Moore came nowhere close to stepping out of bounds.
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DJ Moore came nowhere close to stepping out of bounds.
I was wondering why we didn't see a replay.
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Well, saying Butkus is not close to Lewis will cause people to question your judgement and wonder what color the sky is in your world.
Purple, and it isn’t even close.
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Too many beginner refs tonite.
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I think the game has passed Rivera by. Twice now he has played for a FG when trailing big.
Quite a contrast to most of the younger coaches.
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Wow. What the single game receiving record for da Bears?
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Wow. What the single game receiving record for da Bears?
Alshon Jeffrey randomly had like 250 awhile back. But I think Moore is probably now second best after tonight. Hell of a game
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This box score is loopy.
Sam Howell passed for 388 yards with 11 different receivers making at least 1 reception.
Justin Fields passed for 282 yards with only three receivers making at least 1 reception...and one of those three accounted for over half the receptions and 230 of the yards.
Bears win in a rout.
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Alshon Jeffrey randomly had like 250 awhile back. But I think Moore is probably now second best after tonight. Hell of a game
Moore could have had more if not for a mystery out of bounds call
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I believe Fluffy also stated that Bird wasn't close to Magic.
And that Trump was "little known" before he was elected.
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And that Trump was "little known" before he was elected.
Don’t be dishonest now. I was focusing on the “no campaign experience” part of the comment, which I clarified after you mentioned it the first time.
And Magic was way better than Bird. Just like Lewis was way better than Butkus.
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Don’t be dishonest now. I was focusing on the “no campaign experience” part of the comment, which I clarified after you mentioned it the first time.
And Magic was way better than Bird. Just like Lewis was way better than Butkus.
You ever see Butkus play?
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You ever see Butkus play?
These arguments are unwinnable. Butkus was the best of his era and Lewis the best of his.
If Butkus had access to training and medicine Lewis did, how good could he have been above what he was?
If Lewis played in an era where violence on the field wasn’t regulated how much better could Lewis have been? That’s not meant to be a joke about Lewis but an honest question.
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You ever see Butkus play?
No. Lewis was still clearly better.
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So, did last night change the season narrative for the Bears or was it a one-off?
Now, when the Panthers get a win, the 2008 Lions can break out the champagne.
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You ever see Butkus play?
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
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So, did last night change the season narrative for the Bears or was it a one-off?
The good is that the Fields to Moore connection looked on fire. But is that sustainable with that line and with better teams that will shut down Moore? I guess we will see.
I will also say that Rivera teams always seem to lay eggs like this a couple times a year.
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So, did last night change the season narrative for the Bears or was it a one-off?
Now, when the Panthers get a win, the 2008 Lions can break out the champagne.
1. Fields (and the offense) have played 2 great halves of the last 4. Progress. Caveat - it was the redskins and broncos.
2. They have serious injury concerns at multiple positions on top of already shaky depth.
3. The defense still looks real bad
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Bears by a million tonight.
Prescient
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Bears win!
Talk on ESPN radio this morning is 'trade Fields now, highest trade value to be had'.
Sums up the Bears in 2023.
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Claypool and a 2025 7th to Miami for a 2025 6th.
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So, did last night change the season narrative for the Bears or was it a one-off?
No. I think it can slightly tweak the narratives on Fields now that he has had 2 good games back to back. Yes it was 2 pretty bad teams but confidence was probably the biggest issue from 2022 to 2023 thus far.
Moore is also very encouraging. 19 catches for 380 yards and 4 TDs in the last 2 is fantastic, regardless of competition. Now averaging over 100 YPG for the year and has more than 100 in 3 out of 5 games. That’s exactly what you hoped for out of that trade.
But the team is still bad. No depth and significant injuries as mentioned. The defense let a mediocre team back into the game with a huge lead again. And again the team came out flat in the 3rd after a great first half. And that is all on coaching
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1. Fields (and the offense) have played 2 great halves of the last 4. Progress. Caveat - it was the redskins and broncos.
2. They have serious injury concerns at multiple positions on top of already shaky depth.
3. The defense still looks real bad
Replace the word Fields with the word Love and you've also described the Packers! I guess the opponents would have to change as well though.
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Claypool and a 2025 7th to Miami for a 2025 6th.
Brutal. But moderate credit to Poles for cutting his losses and getting something back without having to cut him.
Another lesson that if something seems to be good from the Steelers, it probably is
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Who will have to die next in order to inspire the Bears to another victory?
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Who will have to die next in order to inspire the Bears to another victory?
Virginia
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Ha.
Mike McDaniel on Dolphins' "exciting" Chase Claypool acquisition: "We definitely weren't looking for receiver help"
https://x.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1710343158293528706?s=20
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Ha.
Mike McDaniel on Dolphins' "exciting" Chase Claypool acquisition: "We definitely weren't looking for receiver help"
https://x.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1710343158293528706?s=20
I hope the Dolphin's system does not require WRs to block.
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Who will have to die next in order to inspire the Bears to another victory?
Sadly, it will be Steve McMichael. ALS is beyond awful.
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These arguments are unwinnable. Butkus was the best of his era and Lewis the best of his.
Nobody is arguing. Everyone acknowledges it’s a close call, a matter of opinion. Except for one person looking for attention beating his childish dumb drum.
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Virginia
God willing
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The Athletic has a Top 100, the greatest 100 NFL players of all time.
Dick Butkus is #10, the #1 MLB.
Ray Lewis checks in at #17.
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Feels like some people around here aren’t acknowledging how impressive it is that a running back has had a 130+ passer rating the past two games.
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Now, when the Panthers get a win, the 2008 Lions can break out the champagne.
That win, if it happens, won't be this week. Lions by a bazillion.
It was fun watching the WR the Panthers sent packing have a career day, especially on a day that there were newspaper articles in Charlotte talking about the Panthers' desperate need for a #1 WR.
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It was fun watching the WR the Panthers sent packing have a career day, especially on a day that there were newspaper articles in Charlotte talking about the Panthers' desperate need for a #1 WR.
I saw tweets about the WR need. It’s bizarre. I thought the trade was smart in terms of what they are trying to do rebuild wise. But to flip into a need for a WR 5 games into the season is just strange. Classic impatient rebuild feelings
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I saw tweets about the WR need. It’s bizarre. I thought the trade was smart in terms of what they are trying to do rebuild wise. But to flip into a need for a WR 5 games into the season is just strange. Classic impatient rebuild feelings
I was concerned the Panthers gave up too much, which isn't a crazy stance given how much they gave up. As stated previously, once they made the trade I was all-in on Bryce Young.
And of course I agree on the impatience thing. Those who were predicting playoff contention this season were on crack.
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The Athletic has a Top 100, the greatest 100 NFL players of all time.
Dick Butkus is #10, the #1 MLB.
Ray Lewis checks in at #17.
I'll concede that Lewis is kind of close to Butkus.
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Three year extension for Jonathan Taylor. Third highest paid back after McCafferey and Kamara.
I was holding out hope the Packers would get him. But with Rodgers $40M dead money, and Bakhtiari likely needing to be released after this season, probably just not feasible for them to pay Taylor what it would have taken as well.
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11-7 Halftime score Jags up on Bills in UK
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Three year extension for Jonathan Taylor. Third highest paid back after McCafferey and Kamara.
Lots and lots of supposed experts said the holdout wouldn't work, that Irsay would never cave, and that RBs are worth so little he'd never get real $$$ from anyone. Glad to see Taylor get his coin.
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That was roughing the passer? What exactly is the defender supposed to do?
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That was roughing the passer? What exactly is the defender supposed to do?
Yes. It was clear. Can’t hit the quarterback in the helmet.
It doesn’t matter what the defender is supposed to do. It can’t result in that.
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Yes. It was clear. Can’t hit the quarterback in the helmet.
It doesn’t matter what the defender is supposed to do. It can’t result in that.
So if the QB lowers his helmet ,and the defender running full speed to sack him hits his helmet, it's an auto-penalty? That's absurd.
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Lot of action here at the end of Bills Jags game. Travis Etienne Jr is quite a player for Jags. Josh Allen moving the ball down the field quickly for a score.
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Rich Eisen did a nice job announcing the Bills Jags game.
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So if the QB lowers his helmet ,and the defender running full speed to sack him hits his helmet, it's an auto-penalty? That's absurd.
Write a letter.
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Could you make a case that the Giants are worse than the Bears?
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Could you make a case that the Giants are worse than the Bears?
Or the Patriots.
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Or the Patriots.
Right??
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If I'm correct, Daniel Jones is on pace to get sacked about 100 times this season. :o
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Why did the Bears let Montgomery go?
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Why did the Bears let Montgomery go?
They were guided by their strong history of solid personnel decisions.
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Steelers coming back at home v Ravens. They trail 10-8 in the 4th after struggling all day. They may just pull it off after all.
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Gardner Minshew is better than Anthony Richardson. There, I said it.
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Why did the Bears let Montgomery go?
A very good RB would not move the needle on the current Bears.
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Gardner Minshew is better than Anthony Richardson. There, I said it.
Not exactly shocking.
Minshew has 25 NFL starts.
Richardson has 13 college starts.
I wasn't sold on Richardson during the draft process, but everyone knew he was a project who would need a season or two to get anywhere near his potential.
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Those who talk about how big and strong Richardson is aren't lying. But big, strong football players suffer head and shoulder and knee injuries all the time. One's noggin' is still one's noggin', and ligaments and tendons are not injury-proof, no matter how big a football player is.
If he's used like a battering ram more often than he's used like a quarterback, he will suffer his share of injuries, many of them serious, and will likely have a short career.
In what seemed like 10 seconds, big, strong Cam Newton went from league MVP to not being able to throw a 15-yard pass. The human body can only take so much punishment, no matter how big and strong.
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Not exactly shocking.
Minshew has 25 NFL starts.
Richardson has 13 college starts.
I wasn't sold on Richardson during the draft process, but everyone knew he was a project who would need a season or two to get anywhere near his potential.
It may be moot now, but I was previously questioning why Richardson was starting over Minshew. Are the Colts trying to win now, or trying to get Richardson experience. If its the latter, why pay JT?
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It may be moot now, but I was previously questioning why Richardson was starting over Minshew. Are the Colts trying to win now, or trying to get Richardson experience. If its the latter, why pay JT?
Good questions. Maybe want to trade JT.
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Philly is -3.5 at the Rams today. Hoping my guys can steal one and go to 3-2, but the Eagles are looking good this season. Go Rams!!!
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Could you make a case that the Giants are worse than the Bears?
Or the Patriots.
The 0-5 Panthers say hello (and they'll say it again next week when they fall to 0-6 after getting crushed at Miami) ... and they don't even have a first-round draft pick to look forward to.
Historically, this is a game Detroit would find a way to lose. Perhaps even Vegas has some reservations.
Sorry for suggesting the Lions would win by 35; they only won by 18 (twice the line at the beginning of the week) -- and dominated from start to finish despite being without their best receiver, their top draft pick and one of their best defenders.
The Lions' "history" is only about now, tower, and they're damn good.
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That was a swift Viking turnover and KC score.
Detroit is off to a good start.
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I appreciate creative play calling. That option reverse on a fake punt by Minnesota was a creative play call. And the Vikings paid it off.
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I think Kelce injured his achilles.
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I think Kelce injured his achilles.
He's back in the game.
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Chiefs are so weird sometimes. That first half final drive was just bizarre and pure hubris. Just have these games where they look like they are sleep walking. They will still win comfortably because the Vikings stink, but following a dominant first drive with a half of complacency on both sides of the ball is something
EDIT: of course as I type this they march flawlessly like they do and basically put the game away
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Lions Roaring
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One step closer to the pending Russell Wilson-Sean Payton blowup
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Kirk Cousins is like a better version of Jay Cutler. He’s got all the passes, he’s got hella stats, and he’s done a little regular-season winning … but it’s impossible to actually trust him to lead your team to greatness.
11 years as an NFL starter, 1 postseason win - and even that 1 was handed to him by the worst defensive play in NFL history.
But he’s excellent at compiling stats and pocketing big paydays, so good for him there.
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Vikings complete regression continues
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11-0 in one score games a year ago. That eventually evens out.
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I didnt catch the refs reason why it wasnt pass interference
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I didnt catch the refs reason why it wasnt pass interference
Ruled uncatchable.
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He's back in the game.
So he was able to….shake it off?
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Cowboys and 49ers are getting chippy.
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So he was able to….shake it off?
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Purdy is no joke. How is this possible? Last guy taken in the draft? Wow just wow.
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Purdy is no joke. How is this possible? Last guy taken in the draft? Wow just wow.
He's accurate, he's smart, he has a great O-line (and defense), and a coach that schemes people open.
The SF system has made QBs look good, provided that they are smart and accurate.
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Kirk Cousins is like a better version of Jay Cutler. He’s got all the passes, he’s got hella stats, and he’s done a little regular-season winning … but it’s impossible to actually trust him to lead your team to greatness.
11 years as an NFL starter, 1 postseason win - and even that 1 was handed to him by the worst defensive play in NFL history.
But he’s excellent at compiling stats and pocketing big paydays, so good for him there.
According to Spotrac Kirk has earned over $231 Million. Pretty good haul .
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-9915/cash-earnings/
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Very happy that Zavala was able to fly home with the Panthers. That was a scary few minutes. Lions fans older than a certain age having Mike Utley and Reggie Brown flashbacks.
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If I were a Vikings fan, I would be upset that KC had that dpi flag picked up (borderline but probably correct) and absolutely livid that the Chiefs db was allowed to remove his helmet to argue about it without receiving a penalty.
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Anthony Richardson getting the RGIII treatment in Indy.
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If I were a Vikings fan, I would be upset that KC had that dpi flag picked up (borderline but probably correct) and absolutely livid that the Chiefs db was allowed to remove his helmet to argue about it without receiving a penalty.
Definitely on the last one. But since the play was over, it would have meant the Chiefs still had the ball, 1st and 10 but 15 yards further back. Enough to make a difference? Who knows.
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If I were a Vikings fan, I would be upset that KC had that dpi flag picked up (borderline but probably correct) and absolutely livid that the Chiefs db was allowed to remove his helmet to argue about it without receiving a penalty.
Yes, if I were a Vikings fan, I'd be upset/livid, too. But fans of teams have rooting interest and do not thing objectively.
IMHO, that would have been a bad interference call. Much, much worse happens on a majority of pass plays, and that ball was uncatchable.
The player absolutely should have been flagged for removing his helmet, but it wouldn't have helped the Vikings on that drive - they already had given up the ball on downs, KC would have had it, and it would have just meant KC began its possession 15 yards back.
If I were a Vikings fan, what I'd really be upset/livid about is that my head coach wasted not 1, not 2, but all 3 time-outs, leaving my team with no way to stop the clock for the last 9 minutes of the game. Ultimately, that killed any chance of a legit Minnesota comeback.
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Yeah, the second timeout was on an obviously bad challenge. The third was on that 4th and 2 where KC had no intention of going for it.
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One step closer to the pending Russell Wilson-Sean Payton blowup
Russel Wilson is such trash.
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https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19)
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One positive out of Denver. That jersey/helmet combo was A+++
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https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19)
In other news, they should move to that logo full-time.
I really thought Payton would turn Wilson around. Can’t say I’m sad to see their struggles.
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https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/SlipperyPete360/status/1711166324381290711?t=BRc1RtgqLFDv31OiivONhQ&s=19)
I'm no Russell Wilson defender, but Sean Payton's schtick is beyond tired at this point.
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I'm no Russell Wilson defender, but Sean Payton's schtick is beyond tired at this point.
They deserve each other.
And stuck with each other, for probably two more years. Cutting Russell after this season would mean an $85 million dead cap hit. Waiting another year would mean $49.6 million. Year three goes down to a more manageable $31 million.
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Russel Wilson is such trash.
Wilson is actually playing well (4th in RTG and tied for 2nd in TDs with only 2 INT). Especially given that his entire team is trash.
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Wilson is actually playing well (4th in RTG and tied for 2nd in TDs with only 2 INT). Especially given that his entire team is trash.
He's an interesting case study in QBR vs quarterback rating.
He's 4th in rating, but 23rd in QBR, behind the likes of Justin Fields, Jimmy G and Sam Howell.
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Wilson is actually playing well (4th in RTG and tied for 2nd in TDs with only 2 INT). Especially given that his entire team is trash.
It’s where the numbers lie and you have to trust the eye test. Who lot of Rodgers in his game
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Based on roster construction and contracts given, I can't figure out if colts are trying to win now or in a couple years
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I'm no Russell Wilson defender, but Sean Payton's schtick is beyond tired at this point.
Payton is another guy who became a ‘great’ coach by having a Hall of Fame QB.
I’ve never seen him as anything other than an average coach with a huge ego.
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Payton is another guy who became a ‘great’ coach by having a Hall of Fame QB.
I’ve never seen him as anything other than an average coach with a huge ego.
A lot of that reputation comes from an onside kick
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Payton is another guy who became a ‘great’ coach by having a Hall of Fame QB.
I’ve never seen him as anything other than an average coach with a huge ego.
No doubt in my mind the Packers got it right with McCarthy instead of Payton
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Payton is another guy who became a ‘great’ coach by having a Hall of Fame QB.
I’ve never seen him as anything other than an average coach with a huge ego.
He certainly has an ego outsized for his accomplishments, and people falling all over themselves to hire him was silly, but I certainly don’t think he’s an average coach.
But that’s a bit of revisionist history with him and Brees. Before NO, Brees was good, but not good enough that the Chargers selected Rivers in the first round cause they weren’t sure if Brees was the guy. Then the injury that had Brees as damaged goods to the Dolphins and others. Brees became a star and a HOF in no small part due to Payton’s offense and schemes.
Though I do think his offense has gotten a bit stale and it’s not 2014 anymore
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Denver this year has lost to:
Former HC Josh McDaniels
Former HC Vic Fangio
Former HC Nathan Hackett
(And, gor good measure, former DC Jack del Rio and former ball boy Mike McDaniels).
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The Panthers are not just 0-5, but also 0-5 against the spread. They are 13.5-point underdogs at Miami this week. They will be missing at least half their starting secondary and probably 3/4 of it, not to mention their starting MLB and 2 offensive linemen. They suck enough even when fully healthy.
Can Tua & Co. put up 71 points?
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The Panthers are not just 0-5, but also 0-5 against the spread. They are 13.5-point underdogs at Miami this week. They will be missing at least half their starting secondary and probably 3/4 of it, not to mention their starting MLB and 2 offensive linemen. They suck enough even when fully healthy.
Can Tua & Co. put up 71 points?
Frank Reich's comments this week were very interesting. Not often you hear a coach discuss how the owner is involved in the day-to-day of the football operation. Even though Frank was diplomatic in his comments, he definitely pulled back the curtain.
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Frank Reich's comments this week were very interesting. Not often you hear a coach discuss how the owner is involved in the day-to-day of the football operation. Even though Frank was diplomatic in his comments, he definitely pulled back the curtain.
Sh!tshow.
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Sh!tshow.
As a Bears fan, I'm enjoying it. The Panthers have no reason to tank, but internal dysfunction is just as good.
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As a Bears fan, I'm enjoying it. The Panthers have no reason to tank, but internal dysfunction is just as good.
I don't blame you. My son is a big Bears fan and he texts me constantly to make fun of the fact that the worse my team does, the better it is for his. Arg!
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A combination of the Broncos throwbacks this weekend and newly residing in the Tampa/St Pete area and seeing the contrast between “vintage” Bucs gear vs the new pewter and red…
Are there any of the “updated” NFL uniforms that are a definitive upgrade from older retro uniforms?
Sherbert Bucs >>> pewter and red
Bronco D>>> angry horse
Pat the Patriot >>> current uniforms
Totem Seahawk >>> neon seahawk
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A combination of the Broncos throwbacks this weekend and newly residing in the Tampa/St Pete area and seeing the contrast between “vintage” Bucs gear vs the new pewter and red…
Are there any of the “updated” NFL uniforms that are a definitive upgrade from older retro uniforms?
Sherbert Bucs >>> pewter and red
Bronco D>>> angry horse
Pat the Patriot >>> current uniforms
Totem Seahawk >>> neon seahawk
Saints and Vikings are about the only two that come to mind.
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A combination of the Broncos throwbacks this weekend and newly residing in the Tampa/St Pete area and seeing the contrast between “vintage” Bucs gear vs the new pewter and red…
Are there any of the “updated” NFL uniforms that are a definitive upgrade from older retro uniforms?
Sherbert Bucs >>> pewter and red
Bronco D>>> angry horse
Pat the Patriot >>> current uniforms
Totem Seahawk >>> neon seahawk
I'll double down and say any of the expansion or relocated team's uniforms are not good. Baltimore is the best at a C-. The rest look like they came from a $100 logo design website.
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A combination of the Broncos throwbacks this weekend and newly residing in the Tampa/St Pete area and seeing the contrast between “vintage” Bucs gear vs the new pewter and red…
Are there any of the “updated” NFL uniforms that are a definitive upgrade from older retro uniforms?
Sherbert Bucs >>> pewter and red
Bronco D>>> angry horse
Pat the Patriot >>> current uniforms
Totem Seahawk >>> neon seahawk
I actually prefer all of the newer ones.
I do think the older Eagles unis with the brighter green were better.
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I actually prefer all of the newer ones.
Goes to show you, you can't teach good taste. ;D
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I'll double down and say any of the expansion or relocated team's uniforms are not good. Baltimore is the best at a C-. The rest look like they came from a $100 logo design website.
Carolina is OK. Jags are terrible. Texans are awful - they should have been allowed to bring back the Oilers.
One that absolutely needs a refresh are the Bengals. Those helmets are really bad.
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Carolina is OK. Jags are terrible. Texans are awful - they should have been allowed to bring back the Oilers.
One that absolutely needs a refresh are the Bengals. Those helmets are really bad.
90’s and early 00’s expansion teams had the misfortune of coming to existence in an era of bad color choices
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90’s and early 00’s expansion teams had the misfortune of coming to existence in an era of bad color choices
Yeah that is why I think Carolina’s is fine. The colors are more timeless than the purple of Baltimore and the teal of Jax.
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Yeah that is why I think Carolina’s is fine. The colors are more timeless than the purple of Baltimore and the teal of Jax.
I suppose Carolina's colors are fine, the logo is awful. Reminds me of logo of a karate studio in a strip mall. Maybe it would look better on the back of a black satin jacket.
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One that absolutely needs a refresh are the Bengals. Those helmets are really bad.
I actually love the Bengals white helmets.
Not surprising as I strongly prefer the old Rams white/navy to the blue/yellow now
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I suppose Carolina's colors are fine, the logo is awful. Reminds me of logo of a karate studio in a strip mall. Maybe it would look better on the back of a black satin jacket.
The logo was supposed to be an outline of both the Carolinas. It was rotated a bit a couple years ago and doesn’t really look like that now.
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90’s and early 00’s expansion teams had the misfortune of coming to existence in an era of bad color choices
It was the era of edgy stuff, man, and we are all worse off for it.
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I actually love the Bengals white helmets.
Not surprising as I strongly prefer the old Rams white/navy to the blue/yellow now
I admit the white helmets are better.
Also like the white Bills helmets instead of the red. Kinda like the green Jets helmets better.
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Honestly, there are more than a few logos that could use some updating. They're stale and very dated.
Except the G and the C. They can never change.
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It was the era of edgy stuff, man, and we are all worse off for it.
Yep. You had a lot of these older clearly hand drawn logos that had character as a result. (Pat the Patriot, Bucco Bruce, the Bronco, even the goofy old Dolphin with a football helmet). Then instead of clever or classic looking, everything had to be FAST, AGGRESSIVE, MEAN looking.
Not just in football, NBA and MLB too. And those are arguably sadder cause you had a lot of clever/creative logos incorporating the city or the geography that got tossed for generic SERIOUS SPORTZ logos
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I only wish the Panthers' biggest problem was their logo.
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Multiples have never been to the Super Bowl, Jets haven’t been there in 60 years. 2 appearances in a short team history, quite your yappin ;D
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Multiples have never been to the Super Bowl, Jets haven’t been there in 60 years. 2 appearances in a short team history, quite your yappin ;D
Fair enough.
2015 is one of the most fun years I've had as a sports fan, and I am grateful for it. But it does seem like more than 8 years ago.
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Fair enough.
2015 is one of the most fun years I've had as a sports fan, and I am grateful for it. But it does seem like more than 8 years ago.
And as usual, a business decision spoiled all the fun.
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Yep. You had a lot of these older clearly hand drawn logos that had character as a result. (Pat the Patriot, Bucco Bruce, the Bronco, even the goofy old Dolphin with a football helmet). Then instead of clever or classic looking, everything had to be FAST, AGGRESSIVE, MEAN looking.
Not just in football, NBA and MLB too. And those are arguably sadder cause you had a lot of clever/creative logos incorporating the city or the geography that got tossed for generic SERIOUS SPORTZ logos
That being said, the current Bucks logo is awesome. And the original Bucks logo is awesome.
The stuff in between? Pure crap.
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The good news is some baseball teams have worked up and gone back to better logos.
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Phillies throwback energy is strong tonight.
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Yeah that is why I think Carolina’s is fine. The colors are more timeless than the purple of Baltimore and the teal of Jax.
I like JAX Black Helmet with the Gold Jags logo with teal tongue
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I like JAX Black Helmet with the Gold Jags logo with teal tongue
Nobody cares about that poverty franchise that should be moved to London
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I like JAX Black Helmet with the Gold Jags logo with teal tongue
Original Jaguars logo. I believe it had to change due to a copyright complaint by the car company.
(https://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Jacksonville-Jaguars-Logo-1993-768x432.png)
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And as usual, a business decision spoiled all the fun.
If you watched the game, you know the fun had been spoiled long before then. But yes, that terrible decision put the final nail in the coffin.
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Phillies throwback energy is strong tonight.
They are absolutely gorgeous. Have always thought so. Honestly, can’t think of a powder blue throwback MLB jersey I don’t like. Brewers, Cubs, even the Cardinals ones are unreal
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Honestly, there are more than a few logos that could use some updating. They're stale and very dated.
Except the G and the C. They can never change.
Agreed.
Blackhawks is the best in all sports.
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Butger nails a clinching 52-yarder to bail out Reid’s bad play call.
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They are absolutely gorgeous. Have always thought so. Honestly, can’t think of a powder blue throwback MLB jersey I don’t like. Brewers, Cubs, even the Cardinals ones are unreal
Don't forget the Chargers' powder blues.
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Sorry if you had Russell Wilson throwing for +100 yards last night
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Anthony Richardson an exciting young QB. Have been worried about his durability in NFL given his aggressive running style of play. Looks like he may be having season ending surgery.
https://www.nfl.com/news/colts-qb-anthony-richardson-considering-season-ending-shoulder-surgery
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Anthony Richardson an exciting young QB. Have been worried about his durability in NFL given his aggressive running style of play. Looks like he may be having season ending surgery.
https://www.nfl.com/news/colts-qb-anthony-richardson-considering-season-ending-shoulder-surgery
That sucks. He is fun to watch.
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Minshew Mania returning to face The Jags
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Look at that Panthers score! Long way to go, but if it holds up that could be a tremendous help for my survivor league :)
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Look at that Panthers score! Long way to go, but if it holds up that could be a tremendous help for my survivor league :)
Knew I should have shut my trap.
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Bryce Young is looking fantastic. He still has his confidence after the 0-5 start. That's promising.
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That Dolphins defense is a problem. Getting Jaelan Philips and Jalen Ramsey back will help, and hopefully they otherwise stay healthy and Vic Fangio gets it figured out. But a lot has to go right and little else can go wrong or else that unit prevents them from being real contenders.
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Trevor Lawrence looking solid in first half
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That didn’t look great on Fields hand/wrist.
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That didn’t look great on Fields hand/wrist.
At least you guys have a competent backup in pla.... oh wait, no, nevermind.
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A change Bagent.
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The Tyson Bagent era in Chicago has been a complete debacle.
Fire everyone and start over.
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Cody Whitehair should be cut tomorrow.
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Cody Whitehair should be cut tomorrow.
Wait. Why? Are snaps like that bad?
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If he never comes back, change his name to Marshall Fields.
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If he never comes back, change his name to Marshall Fields.
i would suggest Baron (barren) fields
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If he never comes back, change his name to Marshall Fields.
Then draft Ma(c)ye to replace him?
(I’ll show myself out.)
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Word play is good.
If the Bears use their alternate uniforms...
Bagent orange?
Special Bagent Oso?
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Bears have found the QB of their future
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I like Bagent, and have sung his praises since the preseason (most of you are happy to remind me of that). He’s looked capable out there.
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Well, then that happens. That was a hero ball shot, no bueno.
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49ers with injuries to two stars on offense.
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Well, then that happens. That was a hero ball shot, no bueno.
Yea he played well after shaking off the fumble, all things considered, but that was just bad
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Shanahan butchered that ending. He settled for a 41 yard kick with two downs to play with and a timeout in hand.
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Shanahan butchered that ending. He settled for a 41 yard kick with two downs to play with and a timeout in hand.
yep. A rookie kicker, who missed one already, as well.
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Wait. Why? Are snaps like that bad?
Yea
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Purdy has never had to win a game in the NFL. Without two weapons.
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Purdy has never had to win a game in the NFL. Without two weapons.
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1713653893727486064?s=20
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I'm shocked they gave Philly a TD on review there. Really no view suggesting he wasn't down.
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Gotta admit that the Tampa / Detroit uniform combination is very pleasing on the eyes.
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49ers with injuries to two stars on offense.
Packers say hi!
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Purdy has never had to win a game in the NFL. Without two weapons.
49ers o-line was bad today. That Browns defense is legit
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Gotta admit that the Tampa / Detroit uniform combination is very pleasing on the eyes.
Taylor Swift needs to demand the Bucs change to those full-time.
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Jameson Williams makes up for drop on previous play with beautiful touchdown reception
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Jameson Williams makes up for drop on previous play with beautiful touchdown reception
With Gibbs out with a hamstring and Montgomery leaving the game with a rib injury, Goff has to win the game with his arm. Has completed passes to 9 different receivers today.
Lions defense has been stout through 3.
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With Gibbs out with a hamstring and Montgomery leaving the game with a rib injury, Goff has to win the game with his arm. Has completed passes to 9 different receivers today.
Lions defense has been stout through 3.
So unusual watching a Lions game expecting them to perform well
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I am still pleasantly surprised.
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Lions offensive line giving Goff plenty of time to operate
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Nice jinx.
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Gotta admit that the Tampa / Detroit uniform combination is very pleasing on the eyes.
Meanwhile watching Jets/Eagles injures my eyes.
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Meanwhile watching Jets/Eagles injures my eyes.
Philly let them get a TD. Should have burned some clock.
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Meanwhile watching Jets/Eagles injures my eyes.
That Hurts pass injured my eyes. The Jets scoring that quick hurt my eyes
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That Hurts the Eagles chances of staying undefeated.
And then the Eagles let the Jets score to get the ball back with lots of time left.
Smart by Philly.
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Nice two point reception by Randall Cobb
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Is Jalen Hurts unwell?
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72 Dolphins pop the champagne.
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72 Dolphins pop the champagne.
And current Dolphins made sure the Panthers fell to 0-6 against the spread (and, of course, winless).
The Panthers have their bye and then have home games against Houston and Indy, followed by a road game at Chicago in the Thursday night blooper reel of the season. If the Panthers lose all 3 of those, they'll be highly likely to go 0-17.
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Bills are such a paper tiger and overhyped. The Giants have a massive number of key guys out and are not a good team even when healthy. And Buffalo has yet to convert a third down or score yet. Pathetic.
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This sh!t is getting old
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Unreal. I don’t get what happened to buffalo and cincy. They just aren’t the same this year.
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Unreal. I don’t get what happened to buffalo and cincy. They just aren’t the same this year.
Buffalo was overrated last year too. Went down at home in the playoffs in a poor showing.
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Atrocious.
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It’s possible Daboll punches one of his quarterbacks on the sideline this year.
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Bad pass by Kelly, terrible FG decision by Sean McDermott.
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It’s possible Daboll punches one of his quarterbacks on the sideline this year.
He should punch the play caller.
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This was an insult to the game of football.
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Ends with back judge choking on his flag.
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Bad pass by Kelly, terrible FG decision by Sean McDermott.
Absolutely horrible decision not to punt and pin them back with 1 timeout and needing a TD. McDermott was incredibly fortunate
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Both teams deserved to lose that game.
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Ends with back judge choking on his flag.
I thought that was more of a foul than the one they called.
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What's the point of having a $10 million running back if you don't trust him to get 1 yard and instead put the game on Tyrod Taylor?
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Just 6 games (and 6 losses) into his tenure as the Panthers' coach, Reich hands off play-calling duties to Thomas Brown, the team's nominal OC and a former Rams assistant.
There is speculation that Tepper forced the change. If so, that doesn't bode well for Reich.
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What's the point of having a $10 million running back if you don't trust him to get 1 yard and instead put the game on Tyrod Taylor?
Yeah, I haven't followed the Giants at all, but I was kind of surprised they didn't give Barkley the ball there. It seemed to me that he'd been getting increasingly effective as the game progressed.
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What's the point of having a $10 million running back if you don't trust him to get 1 yard and instead put the game on Tyrod Taylor?
They gave it to him at the goal line at the end of the half. He was stopped cold.
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They gave it to him at the goal line at the end of the half. He was stopped cold.
Yeah, the Giants o-line has a guard at center, a tackle who was in his words “off the couch” and probably a guy or two who won’t be in the league next year. And Waller is a “TE” in name only
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The Rodgers hype machine is in full effect. Saying he could be ready by Week 12, but most likely Week 15. I’m not sure if the procedure he got was truly revolutionary or if he’s just trying to get in the news.
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The Rodgers hype machine is in full effect. Saying he could be ready by Week 12, but most likely Week 15. I’m not sure if the procedure he got was truly revolutionary or if he’s just trying to get in the news.
Rumors floating it was a partial tear, not a full tear.
Also, he is beside himself with all the attention Travis Kelce is getting. Bad enough Kelce got the SNL hosting gig before ARodg, now his relationship is bigger than ARodg’s. His ego is crushed
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The Rodgers hype machine is in full effect. Saying he could be ready by Week 12, but most likely Week 15. I’m not sure if the procedure he got was truly revolutionary or if he’s just trying to get in the news.
I’m a proud Rodgers shade thrower, but there is video of him walking around without a boot/crutches and throwing yesterday. Obviously a long way to go, but it’s still over 2 months away. The video makes it a bit more believable than if he was just chirping it on McAfee or some other writer was tweeting about his progress.
But also, it allowed him to get himself a couple days of frothy media cycle, which we know is a HUGE component of his recovery process.
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They gave it to him at the goal line at the end of the half. He was stopped cold.
The circumstances were pretty different, and getting stuffed on one run is no reason to stop running. The data shows the chances of success running from the one is higher than passing, and that's not factoring in the runner and the passer.
Heck, if you don't trust Barkley to get a yard, run a tush push. All the kids are doing it.
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I’m a proud Rodgers shade thrower, but there is video of him walking around without a boot/crutches and throwing yesterday. Obviously a long way to go, but it’s still over 2 months away. The video makes it a bit more believable than if he was just chirping it on McAfee or some other writer was tweeting about his progress.
But also, it allowed him to get himself a couple days of frothy media cycle, which we know is a HUGE component of his recovery process.
That’s true, it does sound like he’s a bit ahead. I’ve seen conflicting reports about how far the normal process is. Some aren’t surprised he’s walking under his own power. He wasn’t putting much weight on it.
It just seems kind of wild to talk about a 40 year old basically having an unheard recovery time on an Achilles. Unless this surgery is that revolutionary.
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The circumstances were pretty different, and getting stuffed on one run is no reason to stop running. The data shows the chances of success running from the one is higher than passing, and that's not factoring in the runner and the passer.
Heck, if you don't trust Barkley to get a yard, run a tush push. All the kids are doing it.
The only circumstance that was really different was that the defense was expecting a pass at the end of the half (an incompletion would have given the Giants another shot at a TD or a FG, the run ended the half) - and even with that the Giants and Barkley were stopped for no gain. Barkley is averaging less than 3 yards a carry this year and on the game’s final play the Bills had 11 guys on the line of scrimmage. But hindsight and 2nd guessing are fun.
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Richardson most likely done for the year. His style of play isn’t made for the nfl
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Richardson most likely done for the year. His style of play isn’t made for the nfl
Impossible. All we heard was how big and strong he is. And everyone knows big and strong football players do not have ligaments that can be torn, tendons that can be frayed, heads that can be concussed, disks that can be herniated, etc.
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This has been a really odd game for the officials.
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https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/troy-aikmans-girlfriend-haley-clark-accused-of-scamming-nordstrom/
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Happened to pop up on my feed:
https://twitter.com/Chicago_Jay1/status/1714314036064510432
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Happened to pop up on my feed:
https://twitter.com/Chicago_Jay1/status/1714314036064510432
Cody Whitehair had a really nice rookie year, made a Pro Bowl, got a big contract...then seemingly forgot how to play football. The Halas Hall difference!
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https://twitter.com/DisputedHighly/status/1713995548095553613?s=20
Is that Marshall Mathers?
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Happened to pop up on my feed:
https://twitter.com/Chicago_Jay1/status/1714314036064510432
So Claypool rightfully gets slammed by the media and fans, he is made to sit out and ultimately traded for nothing and this guy keeps his job and business as usual? Ok, that make sense ::)
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So Claypool rightfully gets slammed by the media and fans, he is made to sit out and ultimately traded for nothing and this guy keeps his job and business as usual? Ok, that make sense ::)
Ummm, the Bears benched Whitehair in the 3rd quarter.
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Ummm, the Bears benched Whitehair in the 3rd quarter.
Fair, but according to the HC it was not due to performance. Let's see what happens next week.
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Will Aaron Rodgers be willing to give up some of his ownership stake when the Bears draft Caleb Williams?
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Oh, da dude hoo throws off hiz back foot inta double coverage wen pressured, hey?
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Brett Favre? Mahomes? Stafford?
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Brett Favre? Mahomes? Stafford?
Brett Favre never threw off his back foot into double coverage. He did defraud a state of welfare money, however.
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Brett Favre never threw off his back foot into double coverage. He did defraud a state of welfare money, however.
No it was usually triple coverage.
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No it was usually triple coverage.
Correct. He was a gunslinger and criminal
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I know we talked about Caleb's play a little bit in the college football thread, but definitely starting to get a little buyer beware vibe coming with him.
He makes some electric plays and some throws few guys can make, no doubt about it. I worry about his size, he's right at 6', he takes too many hits for my liking, and makes some throwing decisions that are bad in college, and would be really bad in the NFL. I have no idea if the 5 teams rumor or the ownership stake rumors are true. I'll be really curious to see how Williams plays against Utah this week coming off a rough outing at ND.
Still a lot of time left to evaluate, 7 months worth, and we'll have more of a sample size over the next month.
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I know we talked about Caleb's play a little bit in the college football thread, but definitely starting to get a little buyer beware vibe coming with him.
He makes some electric plays and some throws few guys can make, no doubt about it. I worry about his size, he's right at 6', he takes too many hits for my liking, and makes some throwing decisions that are bad in college, and would be really bad in the NFL. I have no idea if the 5 teams rumor or the ownership stake rumors are true. I'll be really curious to see how Williams plays against Utah this week coming off a rough outing at ND.
Still a lot of time left to evaluate, 7 months worth, and we'll have more of a sample size over the next month.
These are good points.
I think he's still the clear favorite to go #1 (as does Vegas, he's -500 to Drake Maye's +600), but his status as a sure-thing franchise QB that you tank for has probably waned a bit.
As for him demanding an ownership stake, that's prohibited by the NFL.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-bans-giving-equity-stakes-to-players-employees
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Regarding the viral/infamous Cody Whitehair video.
Ted Nguyen
@FB_FilmAnalysis
This play is going viral but the center is sliding right towards his assignment. Left guard has a 1 on 1 backside. I guess in an ideal world center goes back to help with no rushers coming at him but this is on the LG.
Ted Nguyen
@FB_FilmAnalysis
Center does look back at a reasonable time but by the time he does, LG is already beat. And then there’s just no one to block which leads to silliness.
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Regarding the viral/infamous Cody Whitehair video.
Ted Nguyen
@FB_FilmAnalysis
This play is going viral but the center is sliding right towards his assignment. Left guard has a 1 on 1 backside. I guess in an ideal world center goes back to help with no rushers coming at him but this is on the LG.
Ted Nguyen
@FB_FilmAnalysis
Center does look back at a reasonable time but by the time he does, LG is already beat. And then there’s just no one to block which leads to silliness.
The following highlights the issue with anyone having access to the "All 22". The barrier for any dope to become a football analysis is now $99.99.
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The following highlights the issue with anyone having access to the "All 22". The barrier for any dope to become a football analysis is now $99.99.
Not sure if this is meant as a shot at Ted Nguyen, but he's probably the best in the (media) business at this.
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Not sure if this is meant as a shot at Ted Nguyen, but he's probably the best in the (media) business at this.
The shot is not at Ted.
It is directed at the original source of the video that is using this play as a "gotcha" on Whitehair. But as Ted accurately points out, Whitehair was doing his job on the play.
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The shot is not at Ted.
It is directed at the original source of the video that is using this play as a "gotcha" on Whitehair. But as Ted accurately points out, Whitehair was doing his job on the play.
Which makes sense that he was pulled out of the game for doing his job.
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I know we talked about Caleb's play a little bit in the college football thread, but definitely starting to get a little buyer beware vibe coming with him.
He makes some electric plays and some throws few guys can make, no doubt about it. I worry about his size, he's right at 6', he takes too many hits for my liking, and makes some throwing decisions that are bad in college, and would be really bad in the NFL. I have no idea if the 5 teams rumor or the ownership stake rumors are true. I'll be really curious to see how Williams plays against Utah this week coming off a rough outing at ND.
Still a lot of time left to evaluate, 7 months worth, and we'll have more of a sample size over the next month.
Glad to see someone articulate what I was thinking. Well done, Dish.
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Jags playing solid so far in first half.
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Solid road win for Trevor Lawrence and The Jags over The Saints. Jags 5-2 recored best since 2007
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Solid road win for Trevor Lawrence and The Jags over The Saints. Jags 5-2 recored best since 2007
One step closer to London
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Because sometimes the only way through pain is humor…this actually made me laugh pretty hard
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyj0H3zxAqh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Because sometimes the only way through pain is humor…this actually made me laugh pretty hard
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyj0H3zxAqh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Love it! ;D
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So just how bad is Randall Cobb right now. Maybe worst in the league.
https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl (https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl)
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So just how bad is Randall Cobb right now. Maybe worst in the league.
https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl (https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl)
I dunno, some of the Rodgers fanboys think Cobb is a heckuva player still
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So just how bad is Randall Cobb right now. Maybe worst in the league.
https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl (https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl)
But hey, his kids are cute and love Uncle Aaron!
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So just how bad is Randall Cobb right now. Maybe worst in the league.
https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl (https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-randall-cobb-worst-player-nfl)
Cobb caught an important 2 point conversion in the last game.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-zach-wilson-to-randall-cobb-for-a-two-point-conversion-vs-the-eagles
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Cobb caught an important 2 point conversion in the last game.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-zach-wilson-to-randall-cobb-for-a-two-point-conversion-vs-the-eagles
He sucks
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Lions not having a good day
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Back in their comfort zone.
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Have the Giants found their QB? ;)
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QB controversy in Chicago?
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QB controversy in Chicago?
Keep winning, Tyson!
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Baltimore exposing the Lions. The Ravens are good. The talking heads have been way out over their skis in regards to the Lions. Detroit will probably win the north. Yay. I am still not feeling much beyond that.
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Baltimore exposing the Lions. The Ravens are good. The talking heads have been way out over their skis in regards to the Lions. Detroit will probably win the north. Yay. I am still not feeling much beyond that.
The Lions are good.
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They are improved.
Baltimore is better.
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They are improved.
Baltimore is better.
This week.
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This week.
Agreed. Det is very good and I'd guess the HC will get them past a terrible week fast.
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Agreed. Det is very good and I'd guess the HC will get them past a terrible week fast.
Every team has a stinker
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Detroit does not have a tough schedule after today.
LV at home
At the Chargers
At NO
At Dallas
Denver at home.
5 games left against the north
Getting healthy and normal competence gets them to 11 wins.
More than enough to win the north. New scouting report after today, though. Rush Goff, take away the underneath, make Goff beat you down field.
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Detroit does not have a tough schedule after today.
LV at home
At the Chargers
At NO
At Dallas
Denver at home.
5 games left against the north
Getting healthy and normal competence gets them to 11 wins.
More than enough to win the north. New scouting report after today, though. Rush Goff, take away the underneath, make Goff beat you down field.
I don’t think that’s a new scouting report
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No, it isn't. Goff has been amazingly efficient over the last 17 games hitting the short and intermediate routes with accuracy and getting the ball out on time.
Baltimore disrupted him today.
Detroit defense has struggled against mobile qbs. Jackson has been really good today.
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How did the Raiders get 3 wins?
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No, it isn't. Goff has been amazingly efficient over the last 17 games hitting the short and intermediate routes with accuracy and getting the ball out on time.
Baltimore disrupted him today.
Detroit defense has struggled against mobile qbs. Jackson has been really good today.
The Ravens have the personnel to do that. One of those days. Lions are good and good enough to win the NFC
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Perhaps Richardson was holding Indianapolis back.
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Solid win for Pats over The Bills
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Solid win for Pats over The Bills
The Bills have issues
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Astonishingly bad call at the end of Cleveland Indianapolis. Clearly uncatchable ball.
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Colts get screwed on an uncatchable PI call.
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Baltimore exposing the Lions. The Ravens are good. The talking heads have been way out over their skis in regards to the Lions. Detroit will probably win the north. Yay. I am still not feeling much beyond that.
Teams that win the North haven’t done much beyond that recently.
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Meh, they are still the Lions.
Every team has a stinker
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Meh, they are still the Lions.
I agree. Until they win a playoff game.
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I don’t know how Brandon Staley survives the rest of the season. Chargers go punch for punch with the Chiefs in a wild first half…then come out in the second half completely gunshy and conservative.
Not to mention Justin Herbert is completely broken. He went from a star in the making to a dude who is a mess and is almost guaranteed at least one costly INT per game
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As a Dolphins fan this has been a torturous game to watch. Four of those goddamn tush push sneak plays, 10 penalties to 0, a bunch of injuries.
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Lions Super Bowl hype?
Quoth the Ravens, 'Nevermore'.
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Lions Super Bowl hype?
Quoth the Ravens, 'Nevermore'.
That loss played perfectly into the stuff you've been saying all season, tower. Congratulations?
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Lions Super Bowl hype?
Quoth the Ravens, 'Nevermore'.
They’re still very much a Super Bowl contender
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With their remaining schedule, Detroit should win between 11 and 13 games. Should win the north. Will likely host a playoff game for the first time in 30 years. A successful season. Yesterday's games showed that Detroit still has a ways to go to be put in the upper echelon of the NFC with Phillie or a healthy SF.
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With their remaining schedule, Detroit should win between 11 and 13 games. Should win the north. Will likely host a playoff game for the first time in 30 years. A successful season. Yesterday's games showed that Detroit still has a ways to go to be put in the upper echelon of the NFC with Phillie or a healthy SF.
I don't see, hear or read all the pundits, not even close, but the general national vibe I got about the Lions was this: "Up and coming team, player's coach who has command of the locker room, should only get better the next couple of years. Not ready to seriously challenge for a title yet, though."
I really don't think I've heard anyone say, "Look out, they're going to the Super Bowl."
So they've played this season right about at the hype level they've received. Losing one road game to a good, desperate team doesn't change that.
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With their remaining schedule, Detroit should win between 11 and 13 games. Should win the north. Will likely host a playoff game for the first time in 30 years. A successful season. Yesterday's games showed that Detroit still has a ways to go to be put in the upper echelon of the NFC with Phillie or a healthy SF.
For the umpteenth time this season, do you actually like/root for the Lions? Or they are just the local NFL team so you sort of follow them for that reason?
In 2 years, Campbell and Holmes have taken this team from a 3 win season to strong playoff team. The lost by 32 yesterday and still have the 4th best point differential in the NFC. They are clearly in the drivers as the strong favorite to win the division for the first time in THIRTY YEARS. And quite likely have a 12 win season for first time in 32 years
And despite all of this, you point out the negatives each week and throw cold water on the neutral observer optimism of everyone else here. Its just odd. You're not a troll, but its kind of similar to the clowns that only appeared when MU lost last year.
Campbell is a football lunatic in the most likeable way, they play fun football, enjoy it, this should be fun. "Knowing the Lions will just let me down" fatalist mentality at this point just tells me you should stop watching/caring about the NFL as anything more than a casual overall fan.
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Think Cubs fan prior to them finally breaking the curse. I will assume the worst until the Lions actually accomplish something.
While wearing a mask when casually driving. ;D
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82, Wags, while my immediate family is Packer fans, all of my extended family on my dad's side are Lions' fans. As far as Lions' fans go, Tower is a ray of goddamn sunshine.
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Think Cubs fan prior to them finally breaking the curse. I will assume the worst until the Lions actually accomplish something.
While wearing a mask when casually driving. ;D
I was going to equate it to Lucy pulling the football away, but that analogy doesn't work. The Lions haven't really been asked to kick the football until now.
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Think Cubs fan prior to them finally breaking the curse. I will assume the worst until the Lions actually accomplish something.
While wearing a mask when casually driving. ;D
See as huge Cubs fan who literally was at the heart of Cubs land as a North Side Chicago resident from 2007-2018, I disagree. 2008? Absolutely. After getting swept in 2007, even winning back to back division titles, there was the impending doom feeling going into that self fulfilling Dodgers series.
But in 2015? There was palpable excitement from mid summer on. I'm sure some cynical fans were, but there was so much hope/buzz even feeling like they were a year ahead. The NLCS sucked, but I don't think by that point most anyone was assuming misery.
Then 2016, I went to about 15 home games that summer. Sat among grizzled long time season ticket holders for about half, and then a bunch of games with other 25-35 year olds who had only known Cubs mediocrity and Bartman...and it was positive anticipation and fervor. Truly the only "here we go again" doubt I remember experiencing was down 3-1 during the WS. But thats like Lions fans being like this while down 21-7 at halftime in the SB. Not when they were still in position to run away with the division.
82, Wags, while my immediate family is Packer fans, all of my extended family on my dad's side are Lions' fans. As far as Lions' fans go, Tower is a ray of goddamn sunshine.
:o
And I'm truly not trying to trash you Tower, I'm just genuinely puzzled/feel a disconnect to your sentiment. And I'm saying that as a diehard Bears fan who has largely checked out from this season (besides watching some of Bagent yesterday with curiosity). If there is nothing positive, its not worth the time or mental effort. Its not fair weather fandom, I watched every game last year to see what there was to build on with Fields and the roster. But if its a bad team with no direction or hope. F it. Lions to me are the EXACT opposite.
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JWags, I, too, am puzzled. There is a Packer thread longer than the NFL thread. Nothing but wailing and lamentations about one of the first rebuilds in a quarter century. And yet my lack of confidence in the Lions is what vexes you. I have said that I think the Lions will win the north. I have said I will not truly believe things have changed until the Lions win a playoff game. The second in my 57 years on this orb. Why does this offend?
And TAMU is right. Like in most things I AM a goddamn ray of sunshine compared to a lot of Lions fans.
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JWags, I, too, am puzzled. There is a Packer thread longer than the NFL thread. Nothing but wailing and lamentations about one of the first losing seasons in a quarter century. And yet my lack of confidence in the Lions is what vexes you. I have said that I think the Lions will win the north. I have said I will not truly believe things have changed until the Lions win a playoff game. The second in my 57 years on this orb. Why does this offend?
And TAMU is right. Like in most things I AM a goddamn ray of sunshine compared to a lot of Lions fans.
It doesn’t vex me. I’m not offended. I’m just puzzled/bummed for you. There are 10x more Packers fans on here than other franchises, so I’m not surprised at that thread. And it’s the first season in 30 years that they don’t have a HOF QB. They are spoiled and don’t realize how good they’ve had it, but I understand it. Same as the recent lamentations of my friend who is a big Pats fan.
But like I said, potentially the best Lions team in decades, with an exciting rookie RB, a stud WR who is only 23, and a rookie TE who is unexpectedly a top 5 TE production wise. Plus a top 10 defense with a superstar on the edge.
And all of that you seem completely unwilling to be excited and look for the negatives to confirm your pessimism about the franchise, that’s all I’m saying. And per your and TAMU’s statement about other Lions fans, I extend the same to them. It’s just odd to me that I’m more bullish and excited about a division rival, as a Bears fan, than their own fans are. I guess it’s a perspective/mindset thing that implanted by Barry Sanders walking away that only Lions fans understand. I can’t comprehend it but I can accept it.
Legitimately hope for your sake they get a home playoff game and win it so you can relax and enjoy it ;D
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I also don't buy freshman hype at MU. I am patient and accept they will get better, which is more than some. But I believe if you are expecting a freshman to turn around a season, you are destined for disappointment. Fun when it happens, but an unexpected gift.
There have been many opportunities for hope for Lions fans over the decades. And they all ended the same. This team hasn't accomplished anything other than a fast start yet.
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I also don't buy freshman hype at MU. I am patient and accept they will get better, which is more than some. But I believe if you are expecting a freshman to turn around a season, you are destined for disappointment. Fun when it happens, but an unexpected gift.
There have been many opportunities for hope for Lions fans over the decades. And they all ended the same. This team hasn't accomplished anything other than a fast start yet.
Enjoy the ride
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It hasn't sucked so far. I compare and contrast the Eagles-Dolphins game with the Lions-Ravens game. Two teams showed they are ready for prime time. Two showed there is still work to be done.
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And it’s the first season in 30 years that they don’t have a HOF QB. They are spoiled and don’t realize how good they’ve had it, but I understand it.
Some of us definitely know how good we had it, especially after suffering through the 70's and 80's. I feel for Tower and actually hope the Lions win in the playoffs this season.
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Me, too.
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Some of us definitely know how good we had it, especially after suffering through the 70's and 80's. I feel for Tower and actually hope the Lions win in the playoffs this season.
I was in college for the Lynn Dickey, Randy Wright, Don Majkowski era of Packer qbs. I know how good the Packers had it for the Favre-AR era.
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I was in college for the Lynn Dickey, Randy Wright, Don Majkowski era of Packer qbs. I know how good the Packers had it for the Favre-AR era.
Lynn Dickey was seriously underrated. Dude could sling the ball. He just didn't have much around him and was hurt too much.
David Whitehurt and Anthony Dilweg on the other hand...
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David Whitehurt and Anthony Dilweg on the other hand...
Interestingly enough, Dilweg is probably the wealthiest former Packer QB not named Rodgers. My sister recently had a business deal with his real estate company, they are very legit in the SouthEast
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-kisses-travis-kelce-following-kansas-city-chiefs-game
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Everyone deserves to love and be loved. I hope it is their Hallmark ending.
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Hallmark is KC based, I see what you did there.
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I was in college for the Lynn Dickey, Randy Wright, Don Majkowski era of Packer qbs. I know how good the Packers had it for the Favre-AR era.
I thought you were quite a bit younger than me, tower. Dickey was the Packers' starting QB most of the time I was at MU (when he was healthy) - but he did play until 1985, so you musta caught him right at the end?
I went to quite a few games because the Pack used to play several times a year at County Stadium back then. I enjoyed watching them because they were an entertaining offensive team with Lofton, Coffman, Eddie Lee Ivery, Aundra Thompson, and (my senior year) John Jefferson.
IIRC, Dickey had bad knees and a not-great OL, so he took a lot of sacks. Just looked it up and he had 40 INTs and 26 fumbles my junior and senior years - yikes! He was a high-risk, not-so-high-reward QB, with a 43-56-2 record as GB starter and 1 playoff win in 9 seasons.
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Vikings manhandling 49ers defense
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This is gonna be another one of those dumb weeknight NFL games, isnt it? Niners march down the field and end up with a McCaffrey red zone fumble and a missed FG and Vikings steamroll 2 consecutive drives for points.
Also, is it just me or was the OPI on Osborn pretty ticky tack?
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This is gonna be another one of those dumb weeknight NFL games, isnt it? Niners march down the field and end up with a McCaffrey red zone fumble and a missed FG and Vikings steamroll 2 consecutive drives for points.
Also, is it just me or was the OPI on Osborn pretty ticky tack?
Looked like a weak call
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This is gonna be another one of those dumb weeknight NFL games, isnt it? Niners march down the field and end up with a McCaffrey red zone fumble and a missed FG and Vikings steamroll 2 consecutive drives for points.
Also, is it just me or was the OPI on Osborn pretty ticky tack?
To be fair, the Vikes fumbled to even allow that 49ers drive to start.
Think Vikes will be kicking themselves not getting 7 on that second long drive.
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Would rather have Addison than Lukas Van Nowhere to be seen
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This is gonna be another one of those dumb weeknight NFL games, isnt it? Niners march down the field and end up with a McCaffrey red zone fumble and a missed FG and Vikings steamroll 2 consecutive drives for points.
BUMP
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Vikings with two elite WR draft picks in the last 4 years
Gonna need to properly fill in the rest of the team at some point....
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Vikes finally win a home game.
With the up coming schedule theyd be in decent shape to have a interesting second half if they just won one of the 4 close games they dropped. But........doesnt work that way.
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Holy hell was Purdy bad down the stretch. 2 really terrible INTs
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Holy hell was Purdy bad down the stretch. 2 really terrible INTs
What if he's not Johnny U?
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Cousins up.
Purdy down.
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I guess since I have been fascinated by the clown show that is the Chicago Bears, I didn't realize that the Bears average more points and and yards per game than the Packers. Everyone recognizes that the Bears are awful, but WTF with GB?
(GB smacked down the Bears, so I know the Pack is better)
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This Bills/Bucs game has been all kinds of boring.
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This Bills/Bucs game has been all kinds of boring.
I don't know if McDermott is gunshy cause theyve been all over the place and pretty bad this year, but it was the most conservative and lame Ive ever seen the Bills play. 4th and 2 and 4th and short inside the Bucs 45, they did the totally predictable and not at all convincing "fake snap" and took DOG penalties and then punted. They would go for that 100% of the time last year with Allen, especially the 4th and 2.
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https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1718653032542388649?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Randall Cobb a healthy scratch. Jets realizing what Packer fans knew, he’s washed up
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Mahomes out today?
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Mahomes out today?
I think he’s playing but battling the flu.
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Mahomes out today?
Schefter and Rapoport both say he's playing.
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Looking forward to Jags at Steelers game today.
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Looking forward to Jags at Steelers game today.
When the Jags move to London, I wonder how the NFL will handle scheduling
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Panthers win!!!!
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Cousins' injury looks like an achilles. No contact.
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Cousins' injury looks like an achilles. No contact.
SKOL
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Panthers win!!!!
2008 Lions pop the champagne.
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The battle for New York must have been scintillating.
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The battle for New York must have been scintillating.
Still going. Feels like it started on Thursday night.
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The battle for New York must have been scintillating.
They switched for the beginning of overtime. CBS couldn't get away from that game fast enough.
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Panthers win!!!!
We're Super Bowl bound, baby!
Seriously, it's a relief that my guys won't go 0-17, which looked distinctly possible.
The game really meant nothing, of course, as neither of these teams is going anywhere. But I did enjoy watching Bryce Young continue to make progress.
Despite playing under pressure all game, and getting hit probably 20 times, Young outplayed CJ Stroud pretty decisively and made numerous clutch passes late. The 6-3 Stroud even had 3 passes batted down by defensive linemen, something that supposedly only happens to small QBs. Young's a smart, tough kid. I just hope he doesn't take a beating like this every week.
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Young's a smart, tough kid. I just hope he doesn't take a beating like this every week.
C'mon, it worked so well for Richardson.
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The battle for New York must have been scintillating.
Is the Giant's QB, DeVito, from the Gambino, Genovese, Bonanno, Lucchese or Colombo family?
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C'mon, it worked so well for Richardson.
Well, they've taken different kinds of beatings. The Colts regularly used Richardson as a power back, and when he ran he rarely tried to protect themselves. It was pretty much a carbon-copy of a young Cam Newton, who was fortunate to escape serious injury until he wasn't.
The Panthers have no designed runs for Young, and he rarely scrambles. He gets his beating in the pocket behind an inadequate offensive line. Their #1 pick last year, LT Ikem Ekwonu, had a great second half to last season and some were saying he could be a Pro Bowl guy this year, but he's not been very good. He absolutely got his arse kicked today by Jonathan Greenard, a DE who had been OK in his first 3 1/2 seasons but hardly a star. Greenard was often on Young before the QB had a chance to even look for a receiver.
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Cousins' injury looks like an achilles. No contact.
Vaxxed?
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Vaxxed?
All these unvaxxed QBs blowing out their Achilles heels makes one wonder. Heard ivermectin helps with that
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If Cousins is done for the year, I will acknowledge the infinitesimal chance the Lions could win the division. But only because jwags shamed me into it.
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All these unvaxxed QBs blowing out their Achilles heels makes one wonder. Heard ivermectin helps with that
Looking into it
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If Cousins is done for the year, I will acknowledge the infinitesimal chance the Lions could win the division. But only because jwags shamed me into it.
It’s amazing how many teams have backups with little to no experience.
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49ers defense has looked pretty average the last few games
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It’s amazing how many teams have backups with little to no experience.
There aren't that many decent, unemployed back up qbs out there.
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Trying not to troll, so I'll ask this in the NFL and not the Packer thread; what the hell is going on with that offense? We heard glowing reviews of Love and him being paired with a great HC coming into the season. The laughable Bears have a better offense.
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Trying not to troll, so I'll ask this in the NFL and not the Packer thread; what the hell is going on with that offense? We heard glowing reviews of Love and him being paired with a great HC coming into the season. The laughable Bears have a better offense.
1. Love is having the usual trouble that younger quarterbacks have reading regular season NFL defenses, but...
2. He's just not accurate enough. He has to be nearly perfect because....
3. His receivers are not really good. They just don't fight for the ball. This is an ongoing issue though because...
4. Gutekunst stinks. There is just not enough plus-level talent on this team.
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Trying not to troll, so I'll ask this in the NFL and not the Packer thread; what the hell is going on with that offense? We heard glowing reviews of Love and him being paired with a great HC coming into the season. The laughable Bears have a better offense.
Their QB sucks, their OL sucks, and their skill players suck. That about covers it.
They spend the least amount of money on the offensive side of the ball, and not by a small amount. And a decent chunk of that is on a guy who played one game.
The GM flat out stinks. Trades up to take a QB that led the NCAA in INTs despite playing low major talent week in and week out. Prioritizes RBs and ILBs while ignoring the OL and skill position players. Loves injury prone draft picks.
Gutes cannot make another pick for the Pack. This is the best chance for a high draft pick that the Packers have had in 30 years. Cannot have Gutey being the one to make this selection.
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1. Love is having the usual trouble that younger quarterbacks have reading regular season NFL defenses, but...
2. He's just not accurate enough. He has to be nearly perfect because....
3. His receivers are not really good. They just don't fight for the ball. This is an ongoing issue though because...
4. Gutekunst stinks. There is just not enough plus-level talent on this team.
The WRs were really exposed today. I keep seeing youth as an excuse. Jordan Addison is a rookie and he looks like a dude.
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1. Love is having the usual trouble that younger quarterbacks have reading regular season NFL defenses, but...
2. He's just not accurate enough. He has to be nearly perfect because....
3. His receivers are not really good. They just don't fight for the ball. This is an ongoing issue though because...
4. Gutekunst stinks. There is just not enough plus-level talent on this team.
Thanks. So the HC is not an issue? That would be an easier fix than the 4 problems above.
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Thanks. So the HC is not an issue? That would be an easier fix than the 4 problems above.
I don’t think he’s great. I think the bigger issue is the GM. A new GM should bring in whomever they want for a coach.
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Love hasn’t been good, but it’s pretty difficult to accurately evaluate him with these WRs and O Line.
I am not confident he’s the answer, but he doesn’t often look rattled which is a good sign for a first year starter. He has shown flashes, but the accuracy issues are definitely a concern.
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The WRs were really exposed today. I keep seeing youth as an excuse. Jordan Addison is a rookie and he looks like a dude.
Coaching. Coaching. Coaching.
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Coaching. Coaching. Coaching.
I don’t disagree
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1. Love is having the usual trouble that younger quarterbacks have reading regular season NFL defenses, but...
2. He's just not accurate enough. He has to be nearly perfect because....
3. His receivers are not really good. They just don't fight for the ball. This is an ongoing issue though because...
4. Gutekunst stinks. There is just not enough plus-level talent on this team.
#10---poor arm strength
Inaccurate
Can't read defenses
High school offense
U know, the usual rookie chit. Oops, dis iz hiz fort yeer. Peddle hiz ass, hey?
U know, the usual rookie chit. Peddle hiz ass, hey?
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Inexperienced QB, inexperienced receivers and a not great line. They started the rebuild without telling anyone. Completely normal if you look at it from that perspective.
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Their QB sucks, their OL sucks, and their skill players suck. That about covers it.
They spend the least amount of money on the offensive side of the ball, and not by a small amount. And a decent chunk of that is on a guy who played one game.
The GM flat out stinks. Trades up to take a QB that led the NCAA in INTs despite playing low major talent week in and week out. Prioritizes RBs and ILBs while ignoring the OL and skill position players. Loves injury prone draft picks.
Gutes cannot make another pick for the Pack. This is the best chance for a high draft pick that the Packers have had in 30 years. Cannot have Gutey being the one to make this selection.
I agree with this analysis.
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Chiefs legitimately look like they are point shaving.
Also, Kevin Stefanski is an idiot
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No Taylor Swift.
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It’s amazing how many teams have backups with little to no experience.
I have changed my mind. Now that I see the list of who Minnesota could pursue, it is a failure to not have a better back up QB. You are correct.
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I don’t know that Love has trouble reading a defense. He usually makes the right decision with the ball, it just might not be accurate.
Also, based on some videos I’ve seen, there’s a lot of cases of the receivers making the wrong read.
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And not winning battles or making plays.
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No Taylor Swift.
Broncos break 16 game losing streak versus Chiefs
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There aren't that many decent, unemployed back up qbs out there.
Until the last two games, when Young has played quite well, by far the best QB play the Panthers had this season was when Andy Dalton started for an injured Young.
I'd be happy to trade Dalton for a #1 draft pick!
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Not sure why they called Mooney down, he wasn’t close to being touched.
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Not sure why they called Mooney down, he wasn’t close to being touched.
Because it's the bears?
Interestingly, the ref right in front of the play didn't call him down
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Bears defense playing their part in trying to tank
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Not sure why they called Mooney down, he wasn’t close to being touched.
A second bad call.
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If nothing else, Bagent has been impressive mentally. Shaking off that horrible Velus Jones drop to still make throws and finish the drive with a TD was nice to see. He's got a terrible HC and not much around him but he's making do with what he can.
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If nothing else, Bagent has been impressive mentally. Shaking off that horrible Velus Jones drop to still make throws and finish the drive with a TD was nice to see. He's got a terrible HC and not much around him but he's making do with what he can.
Without Bias still thinks he’s a joke.
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I just turned the game on. So Bagent has been OK?
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I just turned the game on. So Bagent has been OK?
He was solid. He’s mobile, accurate and confident. Threw 2 picks, but the one I saw hit his receiver (Mooney) right between the numbers. And he had a 40 yard TD pass dropped by another receiver.
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He was solid. He’s mobile, accurate and confident. Threw 2 picks, but the one I saw hit his receiver (Mooney) right between the numbers. And he had a 40 yard TD pass dropped by another receiver.
Thanks. Tough even for established star QBs when their teammates stink.
When they showed Bagent with his helmet off after the game, he looked about 15 years old. He's a great story. It's already cool that he's started NFL games, would be even cooler if he sticks around.
I'm curious, Lenny ... who dropped the 40-yard TD pass?
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Thanks. Tough even for established star QBs when their teammates stink.
When they showed Bagent with his helmet off after the game, he looked about 15 years old. He's a great story. It's already cool that he's started NFL games, would be even cooler if he sticks around.
I'm curious, Lenny ... who dropped the 40-yard TD pass?
Velus Jones
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24 punts in the Jets - Giants game.
Need I say more?
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24 punts in the Jets - Giants game.
Need I say more?
:-[
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24 punts in the Jets - Giants game.
Need I say more?
A third string undrafted rookie QB, who was on the practice squad a month and change ago, going against one of the best defenses in the NFL. Facing a pretty terrible QB and a struggling offense of their own. Add to that terrible weather. It had all the makings of one of the ugliest games of the year and boy did it ever deliver.
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24 punts in the Jets - Giants game.
Need I say more?
Top two candidates for the Big 10's next expansion.
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https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/sports/chicago-bears/bears-using-back-stabbing-whisper-campaign-injured-justin-fields
More on NBC coverage of Fields v Bagent
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Holy shyte Goff, that was one ridiculously stupid throw.
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Garbage fumble call. Forward progress was obviously stopped. Ridiculous.
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Every game McDaniels coaches is just stubbornly disjointed both in approach and execution. Every time the camera pans to him, he has the same look of “I hope this isn’t the game I get exposed as a poor coach”. It’s just time to move on, be it now or at season’s end.
Outside of ownership, that should otherwise be an attractive gig. High draft pick forthcoming, lots of cap season this offseason.
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I don’t understand not paying Jaylon Johnson, who isn’t asking for elite CB1 money. Makes no sense.
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I don’t understand not paying Jaylon Johnson, who isn’t asking for elite CB1 money. Makes no sense.
Poles and/or Eberflus only want "their" guys?
Would explain JJ, roquan, treatment of Fields, etc
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Poles and/or Eberflus only want "their" guys?
Would explain JJ, roquan, treatment of Fields, etc
They traded Roquan and then signed a far inferior player for basically the same amount.
Poles and Eberflus are bad at their jobs.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Sources: The #Bears and #Commanders are in agreement on a massive trade for star pass-rusher Montez Sweat to land in Chicago in exchange for a 2nd round pick.
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I’d rather have had Young over Sweat. 2nd rounder in 2024 feels steep.
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Does Sweat last the day on the Bears? 2nd round pick on that guy who's a FA in 2 months? It has to be capital for another trade, right?
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I bet they have an extension for him lined up, only way a 2 makes any sense.
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Does Sweat last the day on the Bears? 2nd round pick on that guy who's a FA in 2 months? It has to be capital for another trade, right?
Sounds like they hope to resign him. They have no lack of cap space to do it.
Just wonder if an early second plus a big contract is an overpay for a 27-year-old who's never had a double-digit sack season (though is on pace for one now) and never been asked to be "the guy" along a defensive front.
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Sounds like they hope to resign him. They have no lack of cap space to do it.
Just wonder if an early second plus a big contract is an overpay for a 27-year-old who's never had a double-digit sack season (though is on pace for one now) and never been asked to be "the guy" along a defensive front.
Yeah, I don't get it. Did they need to give up a 2 for the privilege of offering him a market extension and taking on his remaining 2023 injury risk in an uncompetitive year?
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Yeah, I don't get it. Did they need to give up a 2 for the privilege of offering him a market extension and taking on his remaining 2023 injury risk in an uncompetitive year?
Yup, they could have just gone after him in the offseason, paid a similar price to whatever they'll pay him now, and not given up a 2nd round pick.
Dumb (again).
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Yup, they could have just gone after him in the offseason, paid a similar price to whatever they'll pay him now, and not given up a 2nd round pick.
Dumb (again).
Agreed. I’m sure the thinking is this gives them a leg up on re-signing him but unless it’s an overpay, he should hit the market. Lot can change in Chicago in the next 6-8 months from top-to-bottom organization-wise
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We'd have taken our #1 back in exchange for Brian Burns!
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Yup, they could have just gone after him in the offseason, paid a similar price to whatever they'll pay him now, and not given up a 2nd round pick.
Dumb (again).
Maybe. But also maybe another team was going to trade for him and sign him to an extension before the offseason as well, and the 2nd rounder was what it took to outbid them.
If the Bears feel they're good at QB they can charge a ransom (potentially 2x times) to move back not that far in 2024 and still fill out a bunch of needs. Getting a guaranteed quality pass rusher still in his prime is a good use of their 2nd rounder in that case, those guys usually go top 5/10 in the draft.
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Yup, they could have just gone after him in the offseason, paid a similar price to whatever they'll pay him now, and not given up a 2nd round pick.
Dumb (again).
A jittery GM. Poles lack of experience is showing. Same thing happened last year.
Got all jittery that the 2023 WR market was going to be bad, so he forces the Claypool deal. Of course, DJ Moore becomes available in the off-season.
Same deal here. All jittery about the 2024 DE market. So, he forces this deal to ensure he gets Sweat. Likely Sweat was going to be available in March anyway.
Just dumb. This goddamn organization.
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Maybe. But also maybe another team was going to trade for him and sign him to an extension before the offseason as well, and the 2nd rounder was what it took to outbid them.
If the Bears feel they're good at QB they can charge a ransom (potentially 2x times) to move back not that far in 2024 and still fill out a bunch of needs. Getting a guaranteed quality pass rusher still in his prime is a good use of their 2nd rounder in that case, those guys usually go top 5/10 in the draft.
The Bears will be drafting a QB in the 1st Round in April.
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Maybe. But also maybe another team was going to trade for him and sign him to an extension before the offseason as well, and the 2nd rounder was what it took to outbid them.
Then evaluating Sweat as worth a second round pick is another problem. For a team that made a big deal of stockpiling picks the last couple of years, they certainly don't seem to mind trading them for fairly routine players.
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FWIW, the response to the Sweat deal has been seemingly fairly positive, which wasn't the case for Claypool.
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Then evaluating Sweat as worth a second round pick is another problem. For a team that made a big deal of stockpiling picks the last couple of years, they certainly don't seem to mind trading them for fairly routine players.
Chances of finding a DE of equal or better value than Sweat in the top of the second round are pretty poor. Then even if you do, those guys take 2-3 years to develop typically.
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Chances of finding a DE of equal or better value than Sweat in the top of the second round are pretty poor. Then even if you do, those guys take 2-3 years to develop typically.
The Bears are most definitely in a position to wait 2-3 years. They will have a rookie QB next year and the best players are young.
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Chances of finding a DE of equal or better value than Sweat in the top of the second round are pretty poor. Then even if you do, those guys take 2-3 years to develop typically.
The issue for me is less about Sweat's valuation as an early second round pick, but whether they needed to part with that pick to bring him on for the second half of a lost season, when they could have potentially added him or a similar player (Josh Allen or Brian Burns if not tagged, Marcus Davenport) as a FA in the offseason.
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So ESPN article says about Young to 49ers, "The move cut ties with their most productive pass rusher this season"
Young has 12 solo tackles, 5 sacks and 0 forced fumbles
Sweat has 21 solo tackles, 6.5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles.
What am I missing?
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Vikings pick up a QB.
Lions pick up a WR.
This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.
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Vikings pick up a QB.
Lions pick up a WR.
This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.
Thinking Josh Dobbs keeps the Vikings in the playoff hunt is the most pessimistic Lions fan thing you've ever written.
(The Vikings undoubtedly win out now that I've written that).
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The Lions should win the division. I am talking wild card for Vikings. Although.....Detroit closes with Minnesota 2x and @ Dallas. Stranger things have happened.
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The issue for me is less about Sweat's valuation as an early second round pick, but whether they needed to part with that pick to bring him on for the second half of a lost season, when they could have potentially added him or a similar player (Josh Allen or Brian Burns if not tagged, Marcus Davenport) as a FA in the offseason.
Exactly. The Bears gave up a strong asset here (likely a top 40 pick) for a guy that could have been available for nothing. Why the rush? Let the market develop. The Bears were in a strong spot with cap space and picks to address DE, even if Sweat wasn't available.
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Thinking Josh Dobbs keeps the Vikings in the playoff hunt is the most pessimistic Lions fan thing you've ever written.
(The Vikings undoubtedly win out now that I've written that).
I don't think its THAT crazy to predict the Vikings will make the playoffs. The Eagles, Cowboys, Niners, Seahawks and Lions seem very likely. Then you have the NFC South winner. And that leaves the Vikings in a mix with the likes of Rams, other South teams, etc.
Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?
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I don't think its THAT crazy to predict the Vikings will make the playoffs. The Eagles, Cowboys, Niners, Seahawks and Lions seem very likely. Then you have the NFC South winner. And that leaves the Vikings in a mix with the likes of Rams, other South teams, etc.
Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?
Too many teams make the playoffs
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In all sports. Damn those leagues trying to generate interest and revenue.
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In all sports. Damn those leagues trying to generate interest and revenue.
Wouldn’t happen if baby boomers were in charge
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Exactly. The Bears gave up a strong asset here (likely a top 40 pick) for a guy that could have been available for nothing. Why the rush? Let the market develop. The Bears were in a strong spot with cap space and picks to address DE, even if Sweat wasn't available.
Poles is getting desperate. Not unlike HCs playing veterans rather than developing you players when they are headed to unemployment. Poles does not care what the Bears look like in 3 years or even next year. Classic 'death spiral'.
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Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?
Dobbs arguably will have more talent around him than his previous stops, but he's a career 1-9 as a starter, with a QB rating of 77.6. (for a reference point, Johnny Manziel put up a 79.4 in his last NFL season). The Vikings would be better off, IMO, rolling with Mullens.
We'll get to see Sunday how much better/worse than the Falcons they are.
Realistically, they need to go 3-2 in their next five, because three of their last four games are vs Detroit, @ Cincy and @Detroit. They should hope the Lions have nothing to play for in Week 17.
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Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?
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Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?
In no way take this as endorsement of the Sweat deal.
Sweat has better production this year and Young has a significant knee injury history.
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Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?
Young really hasn't been the same since his rookie year.
But if anyone can fix him, it's Kris Kocurek. He's somehow made Cle Ferrell look like a competent pass rusher.
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I don’t understand not paying Jaylon Johnson, who isn’t asking for elite CB1 money. Makes no sense.
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1719437043543974226?s=20
Rumor has it he was asking for elite CB1 money
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The Bears will be drafting a QB in the 1st Round in April.
Probably haveta battle Green Bay chasin' a QB. #10 sucks major ass, hey?
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The Raiders clean house. McDaniels happened in Vegas, does not get to stay there.
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The Raiders clean house. McDaniels happened in Vegas, does not get to stay there.
Are teams done hiring former Patriot coaches and front office guys? It was entirely about Belichick and Brady’s brilliance on the field. That’s it.
Anyway the Raiders seemed to be headed in the right direction under Reggie McKenzie, then Davis wanted to hire Gruden and it’s been downhill from there. Now McKenzie is in the personnel department in Miami. Hmmmm…
I would be 100% comfortable bringing him back to Green Bay.
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Every game McDaniels coaches is just stubbornly disjointed both in approach and execution. Every time the camera pans to him, he has the same look of “I hope this isn’t the game I get exposed as a poor coach”. It’s just time to move on, be it now or at season’s end.
Outside of ownership, that should otherwise be an attractive gig. High draft pick forthcoming, lots of cap season this offseason.
Not a bold prediction on my part, but as I wrote this after Monday night’s game, it seemed like this was inevitably close to happening.
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Are teams done hiring former Patriot coaches and front office guys? It was entirely about Belichick and Brady’s brilliance on the field. That’s it.
Anyway the Raiders seemed to be headed in the right direction under Reggie McKenzie, then Davis wanted to hire Gruden and it’s been downhill from there. Now McKenzie is in the personnel department in Miami. Hmmmm…
I would be 100% comfortable bringing him back to Green Bay.
Disagree a bit on McKenzie. He had one fantastic draft - Mack, Carr and the criminally underrated Gabe Jackson in 2014 - but his other drafts mostly stunk. Other 1st round picks included DJ Hayden, Gareon Conley and Karl Joseph. He got Amari Cooper in 2015, but his career has been about the minimum you'd hope for out of a #4 overall pick. Good player, but never a guy you think of as one of the league's best.
His FA signings were a mixed bag. Some really good - Crabtree, Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele, Donald Penn - and some really bad - Sean Smith, Austin Howard, David Amerson.
His coaching hires were blah - Dennis Allen and JDR.
Anyhow, he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't good either. I don't think the Raiders were crazy to move on. What they've done since, though ... definitely crazy.
For the Raiders' sake, I hope Mark Davis saw his next HC running the Lions offense Monday night.
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Disagree a bit on McKenzie. He had one fantastic draft - Mack, Carr and the criminally underrated Gabe Jackson in 2014 - but his other drafts mostly stunk. Other 1st round picks included DJ Hayden, Gareon Conley and Karl Joseph. He got Amari Cooper in 2015, but his career has been about the minimum you'd hope for out of a #4 overall pick. Good player, but never a guy you think of as one of the league's best.
His FA signings were a mixed bag. Some really good - Crabtree, Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele, Donald Penn - and some really bad - Sean Smith, Austin Howard, David Amerson.
His coaching hires were blah - Dennis Allen and JDR.
Anyhow, he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't good either. I don't think the Raiders were crazy to move on. What they've done since, though ... definitely crazy.
For the Raiders' sake, I hope Mark Davis saw his next HC running the Lions offense Monday night.
If there was a landing spot for Harbaugh, even with NFL saber-rattling about honoring a NCAA suspension, this might be it.
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If there was a landing spot for Harbaugh, even with NFL saber-rattling about honoring a NCAA suspension, this might be it.
That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.
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That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.
I don't think its a great idea, but it is certainly one Davis will be perfectly willing to throw a lot of money at.
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That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.
It’s the one guy I thought of who might work there and with that ownership.
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I don't think its a great idea, but it is certainly one Davis will be perfectly willing to throw a lot of money at.
Can I ask why?
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That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.
What's the history between the Raider and Harbaugh?
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What's the history between the Raider and Harbaugh?
Harbaugh started his coaching career as the Raiders QB coach in the 2002 and 2003 seasons, before getting the HC job at the U of San Diego. He's remained close to the Davis family since.
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Can I ask why?
I don't think it ended well in San Francisco, which was admittedly a disaster, and not sure spending a decade at the college level is going to help him.
It might be fine, and someone with his personality is probably needed to deal with Davis.
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The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There’s no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?
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The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There’s no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?
I mean I think it’s fake. But it could totally be real.
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The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There’s no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?
Pretty sure it's a PF Changs joke.
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The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There’s no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?
I assumed it was something written by PFT Commenter.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/01/chicago-bears-did-not-lay-groundwork-for-extension-before-montez-sweat-trade/
Oh. Smart.
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Will the Bears have more wins or more fired coaches by the end of the season?
Scored is tied right now.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/01/chicago-bears-did-not-lay-groundwork-for-extension-before-montez-sweat-trade/
Oh. Smart.
Wow.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/01/chicago-bears-did-not-lay-groundwork-for-extension-before-montez-sweat-trade/
Oh. Smart.
Said it before, I'll say it again; Poles does not give a damn about the Bears future. He will burn it to the ground on his way out the door.
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Wow.
Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.
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Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.
Good point, franchise tags are the best way to endear yourself to a player. Plus he is one of the top 5 DE in the NFL, right?
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Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.
Nest year's franchise tag for a DE will cost you $20.4 million.
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Good point, franchise tags are the best way to endear yourself to a player. Plus he is one of the top 5 DE in the NFL, right?
What does this even mean?
ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler indicated that Chicago didn’t exactly lay the groundwork for an extension before acquiring Sweat.
What did you expect the bears to do before trading for him?
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Nest year's franchise tag for a DE will cost you $20.4 million.
Here's what Sweat may get in a contract
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/montez-sweat-29061/market-value/ (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/montez-sweat-29061/market-value/)
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Here's what Sweat may get in a contract
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/montez-sweat-29061/market-value/ (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/montez-sweat-29061/market-value/)
That projection is greatly skewed by the odd inclusion of Nick Bosa as a comparable player.
Sacks aren't the only important consideration, even for an edge rusher, but Bosa averages .78 per game played to Sweat's .53. Bosa also has a huge edge in tackles for loss and QB hits, and smaller edge in forced fumbles.
I like Sweat, but really can't find any measure in which he would be a comparable player to Nick Bosa.
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Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.
Does this count as evidence? https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1719788204528672772?t=qVnvMspc7Iq1I-0dj5syyQ&s=19
But now there's this:
https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1719806987897078141?s=20
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Does this count as evidence? https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1719788204528672772?t=qVnvMspc7Iq1I-0dj5syyQ&s=19
But now there's this:
https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1719806987897078141?s=20
Kind of hard to talk with him before he is traded. Tampering?
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Kind of hard to talk with him before he is traded. Tampering?
I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.
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I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.
I tried to find an article to see if Sweat had permission to talk to other teams but couldnt find one.
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I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.
Correct. The Bears did it in the Khalil Mack trade as well.
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Does this count as evidence? https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1719788204528672772?t=qVnvMspc7Iq1I-0dj5syyQ&s=19
But now there's this:
https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1719806987897078141?s=20
Not really.He didnt say his agents weren't working on it, just that hes not.Poles comments didnt say he just started, just that they are working on it.
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Not really.He didnt say his agents weren't working on it, just that hes not.Poles comments didnt say he just started, just that they are working on it.
Hey didn’t realize Ryan Poles was a Scooper.
It’s pretty common to work out this stuff ahead of time when you are trading high value assets.
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Not really.He didnt say his agents weren't working on it, just that hes not.Poles comments didnt say he just started, just that they are working on it.
I think you are really stretching to defend the Bears. The Sweat's words should be taken at face value. Insinuating Sweat is playing coy or BS'ing the public is unfair to him. I think he is telling the truth; he is not engaging with the Bears on a new contract. End of story.
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What real incentive does Sweat have to do a deal with Chicago?
If they use the franchise tag, he gets a huge salary next year and then he gets a long term deal.
If they don’t use the tag, he gets the bucks now.
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So any word on the improper conduct by the latest coach they fired?
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I think you are really stretching to defend the Bears. The Sweat's words should be taken at face value. Insinuating Sweat is playing coy or BS'ing the public is unfair to him. I think he is telling the truth; he is not engaging with the Bears on a new contract. End of story.
He's not, but his agent is. He's giving the words that most players use. "I'm focusing on football". My whold point was that all of this came from a poorly written article stating the Bears haven't "exactly laid the groundwork", whatever that means. I'm not even a Bears Fan.
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He's not, but his agent is. He's giving the words that most players use. "I'm focusing on football". My whold point was that all of this came from a poorly written article stating the Bears haven't "exactly laid the groundwork", whatever that means. I'm not even a Bears Fan.
Maybe you're right and he's full of it. The significant issue is a 2-6 team is giving up major draft capital for a potential "rent a player". They could have negotiated an extension prior to giving up a high 2nd but chose not to.
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Will Levis’ race to the Pro Bowl was interrupted last night.
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That’s a lot of guaranteed cash for Sweat. :-\
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I think you are really stretching to defend the Bears. The Sweat's words should be taken at face value. Insinuating Sweat is playing coy or BS'ing the public is unfair to him. I think he is telling the truth; he is not engaging with the Bears on a new contract. End of story.
ahem
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That’s a lot of guaranteed cash for Sweat. :-\
Poles is shoving up the Bears' @$$ on his way out the door. Top 10 worst contracts on NFL history?
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Poles is shoving up the Bears' @$$ on his way out the door. Top 10 worst contracts on NFL history?
Exaggerate much? In NFL history?
It’s roughly $24M per year. Basically identical to what Maxx Crosby got a couple years ago.
Sweat is currently tied for 8th in sacks, tied for second with Aaron Donald in TFL, and 4 on total tackles for DE/Edge rushers. He’s having a damn good year despite being on a terrible defense in Washington. That deal isn’t gonna look pricey at all when a couple of the other DEs on the market sign/resign
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Exaggerate much? In NFL history?
My thought exactly. Might not be one of the 10 worst contracts the Bears themselves have handed out in the last 20 years.
Or it might end up being that. We sure as sh!t don't know today.
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Exaggerate much? In NFL history?
It’s roughly $24M per year. Basically identical to what Maxx Crosby got a couple years ago.
Sweat is currently tied for 8th in sacks, tied for second with Aaron Donald in TFL, and 4 on total tackles for DE/Edge rushers. He’s having a damn good year despite being on a terrible defense in Washington. That deal isn’t gonna look pricey at all when a couple of the other DEs on the market sign/resign
I'm not sure "We're paying him only $600K more than Maxx Crosby" is a winning argument. (And yes, I understand contract inflation, etc. It's still a bad comp).
Sweat is having a good year, and he's a good player, but his statistical output this season is an outlier compared with the rest of his career. Is it sustainable? We'll see.
And I wouldn't understate how he's benefited from the rest of that D-line in Washington. He's playing alongside two Pro Bowl DTs and a seemingly healthy Chase Young. OCs aren't looking at that defensive front and scheming for one guy (unlike, say, Maxx Crosby or Danielle Hunter), and if they were, that guy isn't Sweat.
We'll see what other edge rushers get, but as of now, Sweat heads into 2024 as the 5th highest paid edge rusher in football - and that's if the Chargers don't release Kahili Mack, who's due to get $38 million next year. That's a big number for a guy who's never had more than 9 sacks in a season.
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Yeah, I don't think it's a great contract. I don't like the trade either. But it most definitely can still work out.
Hell, I thought the Packers trading a first round draft pick for the Falcons' back up quarterback wasn't a good idea either.
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Yeah, I don't think it's a great contract. I don't like the trade either. But it most definitely can still work out.
Hell, I thought the Packers trading a first round draft pick for the Falcons' back up quarterback wasn't a good idea either.
A lot of women who liked quickies in Milwaukee bar bathrooms liked that trade, though
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Are these the two best NFL teams?
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NFL Network just showed a man kiss another man on the cheek on live TV. Suspect the NFL is about to be cancelled and fees rights will plummet
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NFL Network just showed a man kiss another man on the cheek on live TV. Suspect the NFL is about to be cancelled and fees rights will plummet
?????
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NFL Network just showed a man kiss another man on the cheek on live TV. Suspect the NFL is about to be cancelled and fees rights will plummet
The good news is they didn't show anybody drinking Bud Light.
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Are these the two best NFL teams?
No. Not now and I don’t think at the end of the season either.
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The good news is they didn't show anybody drinking Bud Light.
I’ve seen a bunch of Bud Light commercials. This is why the NFL is doomed
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NFL Network just showed a man kiss another man on the cheek on live TV. Suspect the NFL is about to be cancelled and fees rights will plummet
Ya sure it wuzant T. Swift in disguise, hey?
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No. Not now and I don’t think at the end of the season either.
Good because this game has been borderline unwatchable. Thank God for MU Hoops Hutch.
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Good because this game has been borderline unwatchable. Thank God for MU Hoops Hutch.
The NFL is a week-to-week league where who looks like a Super Bowl contender changes all the time. Three weeks ago, the 49ers looked great. Now?
The Chiefs will be one of the favorites heading into the playoffs because they’ll win the west going away. They may not get home field but it won’t matter.
The Dolphins are very explosive but have defensive issues.
I think the more important game is tonight’s game between Cincinnati and Buffalo.
And lol on that TD
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I'm not sure "We're paying him only $600K more than Maxx Crosby" is a winning argument. (And yes, I understand contract inflation, etc. It's still a bad comp).
Sweat is having a good year, and he's a good player, but his statistical output this season is an outlier compared with the rest of his career. Is it sustainable? We'll see.
And I wouldn't understate how he's benefited from the rest of that D-line in Washington. He's playing alongside two Pro Bowl DTs and a seemingly healthy Chase Young. OCs aren't looking at that defensive front and scheming for one guy (unlike, say, Maxx Crosby or Danielle Hunter), and if they were, that guy isn't Sweat.
We'll see what other edge rushers get, but as of now, Sweat heads into 2024 as the 5th highest paid edge rusher in football - and that's if the Chargers don't release Kahili Mack, who's due to get $38 million next year. That's a big number for a guy who's never had more than 9 sacks in a season.
Do I think it’s a great contract? No, not initially. I think it’s an overpay on a hot start being indicative of future success.
That being said, my post was less about proving what a great contract it was and more refuting the absurd notion that it’s a historically bad contract, and that it’s not even a horrible contract in current times/for the Bears recently. And it’s certainly not Poles sabotaging the Bears with some poison pill contract
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Exaggerate much? In NFL history?
It’s roughly $24M per year. Basically identical to what Maxx Crosby got a couple years ago.
Sweat is currently tied for 8th in sacks, tied for second with Aaron Donald in TFL, and 4 on total tackles for DE/Edge rushers. He’s having a damn good year despite being on a terrible defense in Washington. That deal isn’t gonna look pricey at all when a couple of the other DEs on the market sign/resign
Maybe I should have spelled it out, that they could have easily signed him to that contract in the off season and not give up a high 2nd round pick. When you take everything into account it is a god awful contract.
If they made the trade and signed him to a FMV contract or more team friendly because they have the franchise tag available, then the trade would have made sense.
The whole deal clearly shows that Poles is on his way out and he's sticking it to the Bears. Not the first time an employee has done it.
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Do I think it’s a great contract? No, not initially. I think it’s an overpay on a hot start being indicative of future success.
That being said, my post was less about proving what a great contract it was and more refuting the absurd notion that it’s a historically bad contract, and that it’s not even a horrible contract in current times/for the Bears recently. And it’s certainly not Poles sabotaging the Bears with some poison pill contract
Disagree. To measure the contract only in terms of the Bears' deals is putting your thumb (or whole hand) on the scale. Step back and in the whole of the NFL and measure the deal as it is; giving up a high 2nd round pick and then over paying the player.
If they signed Sweat as a FA to this deal, I'd give it a C+, B- grade because the Bears have to overpay to overcome the franchise's warts.
Poles painted the franchise into a corner by giving up the pick for a soon to be FA. Sweat's agent was given a blank check. The Bears had no choice but to pay any amount, or become even bigger laughing stocks of the NFL.
I think ignoring the value of a top 5 2nd round pick is disingenuous when evaluating the deal.
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I'm guessing the Bears would have had no chance to sign sweat to a FA contract. Because someone else would have traded for him had the Bears not done it
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Hope you didn’t turn off the game
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I'm guessing the Bears would have had no chance to sign sweat to a FA contract. Because someone else would have traded for him had the Bears not done it
Story is the Falcons offered a 2nd rd pick as well.
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I'm guessing the Bears would have had no chance to sign sweat to a FA contract. Because someone else would have traded for him had the Bears not done it
1. Falcons trading for Sweat is no guaranty he would not be a FA.
2. Just because the Falcons would have done it (trade and overpay) is the worst argument for doing something stupid. Basically you're saying Poles is the kind of guy who sees others jumping off a cliff and follows.
3. If the Falcons did that, people would be trashing them like the Bears, maybe less since they would have given up less.
I can understand disagreeing about how bad this deal was, but everyone agrees that is is bad.
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1. Falcons trading for Sweat is no guaranty he would not be a FA.
2. Just because the Falcons would have done it (trade and overpay) is the worst argument for doing something stupid. Basically you're saying Poles is the kind of guy who sees others jumping off a cliff and follows.
3. If the Falcons did that, people would be trashing them like the Bears, maybe less since they would have given up less.
I can understand disagreeing about how bad this deal was, but everyone agrees that is is bad.
Just pointing out another likely possibility.
You keep crafting whatever narrative you want
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1. Falcons trading for Sweat is no guaranty he would not be a FA.
2. Just because the Falcons would have done it (trade and overpay) is the worst argument for doing something stupid. Basically you're saying Poles is the kind of guy who sees others jumping off a cliff and follows.
3. If the Falcons did that, people would be trashing them like the Bears, maybe less since they would have given up less.
I can understand disagreeing about how bad this deal was, but everyone agrees that is is bad.
Not all experts think it was a bad deal. There are plenty out there is you care to read them. In a nutshell, he will be the 5th or 6th highest paid rusher (for now), and he is one of 7 guys who have had 5+ sacks the past 5 seasons. The Bears have plenty of cap space.It's an area of need for the Bears.
If Sweat produces, its a reasonable deal, if he doesn't it will be considered a bad deal. Kind of hard to call a deal "bad" until you see what happens with his productivity.
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Shucks. Woke Chiefs won the game
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Ugh that was rough. Good to see the fight at the end, but still a ways to go.
I still really like McDaniel, but all the inefficient presnap movement and misdirection kills me. I get that some of it is probably necessary to create the throwing lanes down the field and confuse the defense. But there was a carry in the fourth where Mostert got the ball on the draw and not counting Tua, I counted 3 or 4 players behind the play. Regardless of where you're drawing eyeballs, you just aren't going to have enough hats for hats on that kind of play.
I'm a bit worried that all the complication and presnap movement was really effective early in the year when defenses are still getting into their rotations and getting their discipline down. But now as the year drags on, base defenses are outcompeting Miami's offensive schemes not by galaxy braining them, but just by staying home and being disciplined. Unless the offensive line improves (which is unlikely with this personnel) I'm not sure there's a way for the Dolphins to beat the top 4-5 teams in each conference.
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WT: First, you took Sweat's word for it that there was no way no how he would consider signing a new contract with the Bears (rather than accept that maybe it was an NFL player simply posturing). To drive your point home, you even added an emphatic: "End of story."
Then, after the story really didn't end that way because Sweat indeed signed a new contract with the Bears, you said it was one of the 10 worst in NFL history. You did so without offering necessary evidence - which in this case would be a look back at all the bad contracts over the last century.
Now, you seem to want to include the 2nd-round draft pick the Bears gave up, which I guess really pushes it into the "top 10 worst contracts in NFL history" realm in your mind?
But we get it. You feel the combination of the pick and the $$$ was too much. You might prove to be right. Or not. The context-less exaggeration was unnecessary, but that happens sometimes here in Scoopland.
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WT: First, you took Sweat's word for it that there was no way no how he would consider signing a new contract with the Bears (rather than accept that maybe it was an NFL player simply posturing). To drive your point home, you even added an emphatic: "End of story."
Then, after the story really didn't end that way because Sweat indeed signed a new contract with the Bears, you said it was one of the 10 worst in NFL history. You did so without offering necessary evidence - which in this case would be a look back at all the bad contracts over the last century.
Now, you seem to want to include the 2nd-round draft pick the Bears gave up, which I guess really pushes it into the "top 10 worst contracts in NFL history" realm in your mind?
But we get it. You feel the combination of the pick and the $$$ was too much. You might prove to be right. Or not. The context-less exaggeration was unnecessary, but that happens sometimes here in Scoopland.
WhiteTrash with an exaggerated negative take on Chicago sports?
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Not all experts think it was a bad deal. There are plenty out there is you care to read them. In a nutshell, he will be the 5th or 6th highest paid rusher (for now), and he is one of 7 guys who have had 5+ sacks the past 5 seasons. The Bears have plenty of cap space.It's an area of need for the Bears.
If Sweat produces, its a reasonable deal, if he doesn't it will be considered a bad deal. Kind of hard to call a deal "bad" until you see what happens with his productivity.
Cap space is completely irrelevant to the deal being good or bad. If anything I'd argue teams in the Bears position need to be more prudent in spending. It's not like Sweat is the final piece of the Super Bowl puzzle so over paying can be justified.
Sweat's future production is also irrelevant. If he becomes the NFL Defensive Player of the Year or has a career ending injury this week, it is a bad deal either way. Based upon his production, he is overpaid and it cost a 2nd round pick.
The Bears/Poles gave Sweat the ultimate negotiating leverage. The absolute worst position to be in. I can not think of a worse position to put your franchise in. (Ok, trading a 1st round pick would be worse).
I see one of two things being true, Poles is a smart NFL guy who purposefully screwed the Bears or Poles is a complete idiot.
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WT: First, you took Sweat's word for it that there was no way no how he would consider signing a new contract with the Bears (rather than accept that maybe it was an NFL player simply posturing). To drive your point home, you even added an emphatic: "End of story."
Then, after the story really didn't end that way because Sweat indeed signed a new contract with the Bears, you said it was one of the 10 worst in NFL history. You did so without offering necessary evidence - which in this case would be a look back at all the bad contracts over the last century.
Now, you seem to want to include the 2nd-round draft pick the Bears gave up, which I guess really pushes it into the "top 10 worst contracts in NFL history" realm in your mind?
But we get it. You feel the combination of the pick and the $$$ was too much. You might prove to be right. Or not. The context-less exaggeration was unnecessary, but that happens sometimes here in Scoopland.
I think the perspective that, in totality, it is a bad deal for the Bears is a settled. As for Top 10, it is debatable, hence I asked a question, I did not make a declaration. I would not be surprised if there are 20 worse deals, or it is top 10 bad.
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Cap space is completely irrelevant to the deal being good or bad. If anything I'd argue teams in the Bears position need to be more prudent in spending. It's not like Sweat is the final piece of the Super Bowl puzzle so over paying can be justified.
Sweat's future production is also irrelevant. If he becomes the NFL Defensive Player of the Year or has a career ending injury this week, it is a bad deal either way. Based upon his production, he is overpaid and it cost a 2nd round pick.
The Bears/Poles gave Sweat the ultimate negotiating leverage. The absolute worst position to be in. I can not think of a worse position to put your franchise in. (Ok, trading a 1st round pick would be worse).
I see one of two things being true, Poles is a smart NFL guy who purposefully screwed the Bears or Poles is a complete idiot.
Another alternative is that you have blind hatred for Poles.
Cap Space is relevant. He seems to be a good building block, and may attract some other free agents. Having the cap space to do so is vital.
Not sure how one can say that future production is irrelevant. He most likely will not be a top 10 paid pass rusher in a year or two. If he plays like an All Pro, only idiots will call it a bad deal.
Should they have not given up a 2nd round pick? That's up for debate, but they gave what they had to in order to get him. It's not like they were bidding against themselves. Did they overpay on his new deal? There's an argument for both sides. I say time will tell. You don't. Again, I am not a Bears Fan, so I'm done with this conversation. Have at it screaming at the clouds.
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The two teams who beat Detroit. Go, Baltimore. Seattle needs the loss.
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Another alternative is that you have blind hatred for Poles.
Cap Space is relevant. He seems to be a good building block, and may attract some other free agents. Having the cap space to do so is vital.
Not sure how one can say that future production is irrelevant. He most likely will not be a top 10 paid pass rusher in a year or two. If he plays like an All Pro, only idiots will call it a bad deal.
Should they have not given up a 2nd round pick? That's up for debate, but they gave what they had to in order to get him. It's not like they were bidding against themselves. Did they overpay on his new deal? There's an argument for both sides. I say time will tell. You don't. Again, I am not a Bears Fan, so I'm done with this conversation. Have at it screaming at the clouds.
I haven't been opposed to Poles until this deal. I thought the Claypool deal was worth the risk. Obviously it blew up in his face. If he would have signed Claypool to a top 5 WR contract, I would have complained.
Not sure I follow the logic in "He seems to be a good building block, and may attract some other free agents. Having the cap space to do so is vital." when supporting over committing cap space on Sweat that could be used for other players.
I don't expect a response. I think your response sums up how bad the Bears have gotten that the arguments are over just how bad the deal was, not if it was good or bad.
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WhiteTrash with an exaggerated negative take on Chicago sports?
Low hanging fruit, my man. Take the easy wins first. 8-)
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Vikes down another QB
Hall actually looked pretty dang good in the brief cameo
Moronic 1st and goal play calling per usual is what set up the chain of events for the injury.
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Skol.
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I think the perspective that, in totality, it is a bad deal for the Bears is a settled. As for Top 10, it is debatable, hence I asked a question, I did not make a declaration. I would not be surprised if there are 20 worse deals, or it is top 10 bad.
How could it be "settled"? What if Sweat goes on to be an All-Pro caliber player the next 3-4 years? What if contracts received by even mediocre DEs swells and his deal actually turns out to be middle of the road?
Not enough info now to make such a declaration.
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How could it be "settled"? What if Sweat goes on to be an All-Pro caliber player the next 3-4 years? What if contracts received by even mediocre DEs swells and his deal actually turns out to be middle of the road?
Not enough info now to make such a declaration.
Any competent GM or any GM that is not trying to stick it to his team would have at most offered a conditional 2nd round pick, dependent upon resigning Sweat, and not the deal he agreed to.
Is it a bad deal if the pick was conditional and/or they signed him to a market value contract if he ends up an All-Pro? I say no. They could have signed him to a more appropriate amount if the pick was conditional. That would be a smart deal for the team and puts the team in a better position to add more talent. I believe that is what a GM's job is to do.
Unless you can tell me that the NFLPA or other would have complained if Sweat was made the top 15 paid DL, I don't believe the Bears paid market value.
They had to overpay because they fully committed in the trade. Sweat's agent had the easiest negotiation of his life.
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Why would Washington have agreed to the trade if the second round pick was conditional? Regardless I think conditions can only be placed on on-field performance.
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Where the hell is this idea that Poles is a dead man walking and it’s out to “stick it to the Bears” coming from? It’s totally bizarre.
I would be willing to bet significant money that short of him flaming out spectacularly in the next 1.5 seasons (or failing to exceed to 3 sacks a year for the duration the contract), NOBODY will be talking about this as a horrible deal, much less one of the worst deals in the last 5/10/infinity years
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Why would Washington have agreed to the trade if the second round pick was conditional? Regardless I think conditions can only be placed on on-field performance.
You may be right. Obviously the best deal structure would be to agree to an extension prior to the trade, which is fairly common.
Assuming the rumors that Poles is being fired are false and he's not poisoning the well on his way out, I'll just say his throw caution to the wind style of team building is not appealing to me.
I guess I look at the quality of the deal when it is made as opposed to the concept of 'the ends justify the means'.
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Where the hell is this idea that Poles is a dead man walking and it’s out to “stick it to the Bears” coming from? It’s totally bizarre.
I also dismissed the Poles (and 'Flues) getting fired rumors prior to this deal.
You have to admit this deal and all the components to it are bizarre. Truly no consideration for the value of high draft picks or salary cap space. Bizarre considering the state of the franchise.
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Seems I've been had by ESPN. I have to adjust my position on the Sweat deal. Reports are the deal is $40M guaranty with an out after 2025. Not $75M like ESPN reported.
This seems more inline with the market. Maybe Poles isn't so bad. A very good deal for a very good player.
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It is time for Fields to return.
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It is time for Fields to return.
Tough day for a segment of Bears fans
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A tough day for all Bears fans. A data point against the idea that Bagent is the solution.
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A tough day for all Bears fans. A data point against the idea that Bagent is the solution.
Or you could say the perfect solution for the #1 pick? ;)
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Ravens look like the best team in football. This week.
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They did two weeks ago, too.
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Vikings pick up a QB.
This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.
Bump
Skol
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Josh Dobbs has entered the MVP convo
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Bears got the wrong OSU QB >:(
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Skol Vikings!!
I was ready to move 100% into college bball season, but now my hopes of a SUPER BOWL are renewed!! (Or at least a second place divisional finish behind the kitties)
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Skol Vikings!!
I was ready to move 100% into college bball season, but now my hopes of a SUPER BOWL are renewed!! (Or at least a second place divisional finish behind the kitties)
Detroit plays Minnesota twice in the last 3 weeks with a trip to Dallas sandwiched in the middle. I hope that Detroit has clinched the division before that stretch. I want no chance of self destruction.
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Giving a proven edge rusher good money is a top 10 worst contract in NFL history? Come on. I hate Chicago sports teams and love trolling Chicago sports fans, but this won’t even be a top 10 worst contract in the next calendar year. This is a worse take than Patrick Williams is just Joey Hauser.
Having said that, Bagent is that dude.
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Giving a proven edge rusher good money is a top 10 worst contract in NFL history? Come on. I hate Chicago sports teams and love trolling Chicago sports fans, but this won’t even be a top 10 worst contract in the next calendar year. This is a worse take than Patrick Williams is just Joey Hauser.
Having said that, Bagent is that dude.
First, I ASKED if it was top 10. Second, it has come out that ESPN was off by $35M in the amount guaranteed. I amended my position. Third, the P Williams take was hyperbole, as I admitted, due to shock of his $200M ask. (FYI, he no longer starts for the Bulls)
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Goal for Bagent is to develop into a quality backup QB. His picks were beyond poor this afternoon, if he cleans that up, he’s on the road to being a good backup QB. He made some nice throws today and his runs were intelligent. If he learns from the mistakes today and can improve, good. If he keeps making throws into coverage, then he’ll be a good XFL QB.
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Goal for Bagent is to develop into a quality backup QB. His picks were beyond poor this afternoon, if he cleans that up, he’s on the road to being a good backup QB. He made some nice throws today and his runs were intelligent. If he learns from the mistakes today and can improve, good. If he keeps making throws into coverage, then he’ll be a good XFL QB.
If Bagent can become a quality backup, that is a win with an undrafted FA QB.
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Young looking horrible today for the Panthers. Hopefully he has a better second half.
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Who else is excited for the prime time Bears v Panthers game this week? I predict the AZ Cardinals are the only winner from that game.
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The Giants are bad, but how much did the Raiders hate Josh McDaniels?
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What is the story with the Giants? I accept the premise they played over their head last year, but they look awful. (11 PPG)
Is the Daniel Jones extension a top 10 worst contract? ;D
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Stroud has been awesome. I give him, Ryans, and their coaching staff a ton of credit. The talent around Stroud is ok at best, and he’s making their playmakers matter.
Both the Bears & Panthers might have made big mistakes.
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Stroud has been awesome. I give him, Ryans, and their coaching staff a ton of credit. The talent around Stroud is ok at best, and he’s making their playmakers matter.
Both the Bears & Panthers might have made big mistakes.
As a Bucs +3 guy, I was pretty happy with Ryans' decision not to attempt an extra point or two-point conversion at the end.
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One week after thoroughly outplaying Stroud in a head-to-head matchup, Young throws 2 awful pick-6s while Stroud goes for like 900 yards and 11 TDs.
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Tommy DeVito getting snaps is something
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My goodness the Cowboys are missing by inches.
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Incredible story around the Texans win with their RB as back up Place Kicker making a go ahead Field Goal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2023/11/05/texans-dare-ogunbowale-emergency-kicker-buccaneers/71467717007/
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Incredible story around the Texans win with their RB as back up Place Kicker making a go ahead Field Goal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2023/11/05/texans-dare-ogunbowale-emergency-kicker-buccaneers/71467717007/
They’re going to win the AFC South
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My goodness the Cowboys are missing by inches.
Bump. Dear Lord.
D'Andre Swift with his second near disastrous fumble.
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Bump. Dear Lord.
D'Andre Swift with his second near disastrous fumble.
he ran into a brick wall.
Eagles D take a dump
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Tommy DeVito getting snaps is something
Pretty sure dats Danny Devito, aina?
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That roughing the passer call was....something.
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That roughing the passer call was....something.
The one on Reddick? He hit him pretty late.
Eagles fans lose a couple days off their lives on that one. Need to throw they into the end zone.
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Dak Prescott in the final two minutes with regards to decision making is something
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Taylor-Britt wasn’t even going for the ball there, yellow card.
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My goodness the Cowboys are missing by inches.
Heyoh!
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Dak Gaack! Prescott in the final two minutes with regards to decision making is something
FIFY
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Philadelphia defense was trying to out gack Dak.
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Philadelphia defense was trying to out gack Dak.
McCarthy is getting a lot of criticism but it’s the QB that took the sack. The false start and delay of game are on the players in that situation. Watching the delay of game and zero urgency from Prescott.
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Randall Cobb is a healthy scratch tonight for the Jets
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Randall Cobb is a healthy scratch tonight for the Jets
Saving himself for when Rodgers returns
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Saving himself for when Rodgers returns
Randy won't be with the Jets next year.
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Saving himself for when Rodgers returns
No, he’s washed up
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Incredible story around the Texans win with their RB as back up Place Kicker making a go ahead Field Goal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2023/11/05/texans-dare-ogunbowale-emergency-kicker-buccaneers/71467717007/
Dare went to Marquette High and his sister, Arike, went to DSHA and now plays in the WNBA.
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Jets have room for improvement
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Headline in The Athletic:
Even the Bears can’t screw up this week’s game against Carolina. (Can they?)
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Jets have room for improvement
Thought they’d rally with Aaaron on the sideline last night
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Zach Wilson would have done better if Aarons mom was in the stands but Aaron is selfish
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Headline in The Athletic:
Even the Bears can’t screw up this week’s game against Carolina. (Can they?)
Is a tie versus Carolina the worst possible outcome?
Barring some unforeseen change in the last 7 weeks, the Bears have to pick a QB.
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Tommy DeVito will start for the Giants on Sunday. He is already the 10th rookie quarterback to start a game this year, the most rookie starters we’ve seen in a season since 1950. It's only Week 10!
(From The Athletic)
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So far, he has played like Danny Devito.
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Aside from gamblers, fantasy football owners and masochistic Bears & Panther fans, who will watch tonight's game?
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Reako, hey?
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Panthers looking good so far.
Go Bryce!!!
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Panthers looking good so far.
Go Bryce!!!
Cardinal fan?
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Herbstreit just said " the Bears have a complete defense " . Huh?
28th in the NFL is complete?
Maybe he's surprised the Bears get 11 players on the field?
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Well, that was a heckuva first half of high-quality football.
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The Panthers are really bad.
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The Panthers are really bad.
Other than the lack of a running game, receiving talent or the ability to pass protect, it's a great setup for a rookie QB.
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The Panthers are really bad.
They’re making the Beats look good.
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82, that Chicago skyline in beautiful. You must miss it at times.
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They’re making the Beats look good.
I appreciate the spirit of that comment but the Bears don't look that good either.
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You’re absolutely right. But, keep playing hard, finish with 6 or 7 wins and build on it. There are no quick turn around sun the NFL. One step at a time. Bears are a proud franchise.
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You’re absolutely right. But, keep playing hard, finish with 6 or 7 wins and build on it. There are no quick turn around sun the NFL. One step at a time. Bears are a proud franchise.
Eventually they will improve. Still a massive lack of talent but you're right that it takes time. 2 more years and a quality QB will help. Fields is not the man.
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The Bears needed that win. Big help to get the #1 pick.
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Other than the lack of a running game, receiving talent or the ability to pass protect, it's a great setup for a rookie QB.
But the good news is that my heroes don’t have any first-round draft picks, either.
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82, that Chicago skyline in beautiful. You must miss it at times.
Big Chicago fan. My son still lives there, as do 3 grandsons. We get back there often.
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Other than the lack of a running game, receiving talent or the ability to pass protect, it's a great setup for a rookie QB.
Panthers were bad last year, but 7-10 bad, like New Orleans or Atlanta.
What happened to them? They only lost by 3 tonight but they were dominated physically - by the Bears, for godsakes!
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That FG attempt felt very tanky even if they don’t have a 1st rounder :o
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Panthers were bad last year, but 7-10 bad, like New Orleans or Atlanta.
What happened to them? They only lost by 3 tonight but they were dominated physically - by the Bears, for godsakes!
Their GM combo - Fitterer and the since-departed Rhule - made some disastrous drafting and FA decisions, especially (but not exclusively) at QB. The owner is on his fifth head coach since 2018. They haven't had many stars, but most of those they had were traded or left via FA.
This year's team was gonna suck anyway, but they also have been devastated by injuries, especially on defense. Out last night were 2 starting CBs, a starting safety, the starting MLB, and both starting DEs (including Burns, their only All-Pro caliber player).
Add in a rookie at QB, and don't give him any WRs who can actually separate from defenders, and a coach who has been very unimpressive ... and viola! Serious suckitude!
But hey, at least my heroes covered against the mighty Bears.
That FG attempt felt very tanky even if they don’t have a 1st rounder :o
My son's text: "Interesting call there."
Yeah. Pineiro is pretty accurate but he's not one of those booming-leg kickers. The Panthers had a much better chance (5%?) to convert the 4th-and-10 than he did of hitting that 59-yarder (0.000001%). Pathetic. As I said, Reich has been unimpressive.
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Herbstreit just said " the Bears have a complete defense " . Huh?
28th in the NFL is complete?
Maybe he's surprised the Bears get 11 players on the field?
As Herbstreit expounded on that, he was saying that the Bears were playing with a fully healthy defensive backfield contingent for the first time this season. That, and the addition of Sweat, improves the defense immeasurably.
They looked good yesterday, but then again these Panthers aren't exactly the 2015 Panthers offensively.
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As Herbstreit expounded on that, he was saying that the Bears were playing with a fully healthy defensive backfield contingent for the first time this season. That, and the addition of Sweat, improves the defense immeasurably.
They looked good yesterday, but then again these Panthers aren't exactly the 2015 Panthers offensively.
I understand both announcers were in terrible position to call that game. I know he's reaching for anything positive to say so as to not turn off the already sparse viewers they had.
If the Bears stay healthy and get a DC they could become a middle of the pack defense. Sweat is a good addition even though is stats are poor so far. They need some decent interior DL players so that Sweat can play to the level of his contract.
I'd say trying to gleam any quality information about the Bears defense from yesterday's game is an exercise in futility (much like the Panther's offense :D)
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I understand both announcers were in terrible position to call that game. I know he's reaching for anything positive to say so as to not turn off the already sparse viewers they had.
If the Bears stay healthy and get a DC they could become a middle of the pack defense. Sweat is a good addition even though is stats are poor so far. They need some decent interior DL players so that Sweat can play to the level of his contract.
I'd say trying to gleam any quality information about the Bears defense from yesterday's game is an exercise in futility (much like the Panther's offense :D)
glean
and yes.
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https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/nfl-viewership-highest-level-2015-week-9-cbs-fox-nbc-espn-amazon.html
The next NFL media deal is going to be unimaginable
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Doomed.
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Their GM combo - Fitterer and the since-departed Rhule - made some disastrous drafting and FA decisions, especially (but not exclusively) at QB. The owner is on his fifth head coach since 2018. They haven't had many stars, but most of those they had were traded or left via FA.
This year's team was gonna suck anyway, but they also have been devastated by injuries, especially on defense. Out last night were 2 starting CBs, a starting safety, the starting MLB, and both starting DEs (including Burns, their only All-Pro caliber player).
Add in a rookie at QB, and don't give him any WRs who can actually separate from defenders, and a coach who has been very unimpressive ... and viola! Serious suckitude!
But hey, at least my heroes covered against the mighty Bears.
Thanks for the info, Mike - good explanation as to why the Panthers are so bad right now. And yes, they covered - due to a punt return. They looked like they could have played for a long, long time without scoring an offensive TD, though.
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Thanks for the info, Mike - good explanation as to why the Panthers are so bad right now. And yes, they covered - due to a punt return. They looked like they could have played for a long, long time without scoring an offensive TD, though.
You got that right. Young has looked terrible the last two weeks, but lots of the problems aren't his fault. It's a sh!tshow.
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NFL.Com preview of 49ers and Jags
https://youtu.be/Z_QR6OXULOY?si=BXRfGeZR-JawzbjW
Should be an excellent game.
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You got that right. Young has looked terrible the last two weeks, but lots of the problems aren't his fault. It's a sh!tshow.
When your receivers get no separation from the defensive backs it’s tough to be a QB. I worry about Young’s size - otherwise think he’ll be fine.
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Minnesota's Justin Jefferson and Carolina's Brian Burns are two stars who decided to play this season despite there being no progress on long-term contract extensions. Both got injured.
Thankfully, neither injury is expected to be a season-ender, but it's still a cautionary tale for players.
Despite all the $$$ rolling into the league and its teams, the NFL largely remains an owner-first league that treats most players - even plenty of star players - as easily replaced items.
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Union agreed to the rules in the CBA.
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Union agreed to the rules in the CBA.
Yep. The NFLPA is much weaker and much more willing to cave to management than its counterparts in MLB and the NBA.
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Yep. The NFLPA is much weaker and much more willing to cave to management than its counterparts in MLB and the NBA.
OK. And in baseball and basketball the owners are much weaker and much more willing to cave to labor.
This isn’t a morality play with good guys and bad guys. It’s negotiation on how to split up piles of $. What’s “fair” is whatever is agreed upon.
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OK. And in baseball and basketball the owners are much weaker and much more willing to cave to labor.
This isn’t a morality play with good guys and bad guys. It’s negotiation on how to split up piles of $. What’s “fair” is whatever is agreed upon.
I like the NFL - NFLPA agreement. I think the vast majority of the players and owners do to.
Players' portion of the revenue is proportional in all leagues. If guaranteed contracts, which do exist, were expanded there will be less money for the players that are actually on the field. Everyone would be bitching about the millions of dollars of cap money tied up in injured players.
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Excellent research article on Randall Cobb being a wasted roster spot for the Jets:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/11/sports/randall-cobb-facing-new-jets-reality-after-healthy-scratches/
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Pack sucks major ass, hey?
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Like a hot knife thru butter, aina?
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Like a hot knife thru butter, aina?
Looked like insurrectionists storming the capitol on January 6th
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More like Palestinians at the BOTUS' Delaware crib, aina?
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More like Palestinians at the BOTUS' Delaware crib, aina?
Good people on both sides
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Only 1 candidate can avoid WWIII, hey?
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Only 1 candidate can avoid WWIII, hey?
Bwahahahhhshahahahahahwhahahahahshhahahahahwhshaha
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Opposing teams came into this game being successful on 64% of 4th down conversions. Only Carolina (71%) has a worse 4th down defense.
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Whether its Cousins, Hall, Dobbs....the Vikes offense is actually pretty formidable
If they would just stop running Mattison as their damn RB1. Hes so unbelievably bad its not funny. Akers was better but didnt start. Now Chandler is clearly better.
Every first down run to Mattison loses two yards.
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Whether its Cousins, Hall, Dobbs....the Vikes offense is actually pretty formidable
If they would just stop running Mattison as their damn RB1. Hes so unbelievably bad its not funny. Akers was better but didnt start. Now Chandler is clearly better.
Every first down run to Mattison loses two yards.
Dobbs to Hockenson is currently a wagon
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Super Bowl, homeboy. #Skol
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Super Bowl, homeboy. #Skol
O’Connell is the Coach of the Year
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OK. And in baseball and basketball the owners are much weaker and much more willing to cave to labor.
This isn’t a morality play with good guys and bad guys. It’s negotiation on how to split up piles of $. What’s “fair” is whatever is agreed upon.
I don't think I made that claim or even suggested it.
I do admit that I "side" with the athletes in all sports, including college sports. In the NFL, in particular, I can understand why elite athletes for whom a career-ending injury is always only 1 play away, might feel they need to threaten to hold out until they have long-term contracts.
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49ers exposing the Jags as frauds
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Vikings pick up a QB.
This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.
Re bump
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CJ Stroud is +4000 for MVP, just sayin’.
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CJ Stroud is +4000 for MVP, just sayin’.
Texans are better than the Jaguars
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The Ravens embarrass two of the better teams in the NFC. Then they play a division foe.....
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Texans are better than the Jaguars
Totally agree.
I’ve been sitting on a Texans to win the AFC South at +1100 from week one.
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Giants doing Giants things
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Jags have room for improvement
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Who is enthused for the Raiders-Jets game?
Nobody.
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I don't think I made that claim or even suggested it.
I do admit that I "side" with the athletes in all sports, including college sports. In the NFL, in particular, I can understand why elite athletes for whom a career-ending injury is always only 1 play away, might feel they need to threaten to hold out until they have long-term contracts.
Why do you “side” with them? If you didn’t think there were good guys (players) and bad guys (owners) there would be no logical reason to choose a side.
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Why do you “side” with them? If you didn’t think there were good guys (players) and bad guys (owners) there would be no logical reason to choose a side.
The owners are the bad guys
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But wait, Brian Danilo was a genius last year.
Giants doing Giants things
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The owners are the bad guys
Especially the Packers' owners.
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Why do you “side” with them? If you didn’t think there were good guys (players) and bad guys (owners) there would be no logical reason to choose a side.
Without the athletes, there are no sports. And I tend to side with those taking physical (and often financial) risk over those taking only financial risk. And let's be honest -- there hasn't even been any financial risk in being an NFL owner for decades.
Besides don't we all take sides on all kinds of things in life without necessarily thinking one side is "good" and one side is "bad"? I sure know I do.
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Who is enthused for the Raiders-Jets game?
Nobody.
The NFL leaning on the NY teams for marquee games ends up being an absolute fiasco as this could be the worst combined season for the Jets/Giants in ages. Everyone gets a horrible Giants/Cowboys game and misses one of the most fun games of the year between the Lions and the Chargers. And then SNF is an absolute pillow fight joke.
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The NFL leaning on the NY teams for marquee games ends up being an absolute fiasco as this could be the worst combined season for the Jets/Giants in ages. Everyone gets a horrible Giants/Cowboys game and misses one of the most fun games of the year between the Lions and the Chargers. And then SNF is an absolute pillow fight joke.
I get it. The Giants made the playoffs last year and Rodgers was supposed to be leading the Jets.
I just wish they would have switched to the Seattle game earlier. Or better yet, offer the double-window for the later games.
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Especially the Packers' owners.
Hey I ask tough questions at the annual shareholders meetings.
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Especially the Packers' owners.
Their decisions lately are worse than their previous decision to vacation in DC in January 2021.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/robert-saleh-jets-may-make-changes-on-offense-but-not-quarterback-or-play-caller
Well, duh. They let Rodgers be the GM and hire the OC and he thinks Wilson can be a star.
Feel bad for Saleh. They could have gone after a QB that isn’t 40 and doesn’t work out in the off-season. Instead, they’re stuck with Wilson and guys on the roster that are washed up. Hope he gets another gig where they have a good QB and good owner
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That FG attempt felt very tanky even if they don’t have a 1st rounder :o
Reich admitted in his press conference today that he shouldn't have gone for the FG. That's really high-quality thinkin' on his feet there - got the play right, but it only took him 4 days!
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This Bills team is definitely really iffy for a playoff birth.
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This Bills team is definitely really iffy for a playoff birth.
Depends when their wives got pregnant
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This Bills team is definitely really iffy for a playoff birth.
I’m stunned how much they’ve imploded. They are just absolutely broken
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Depends when their wives got pregnant
Well played sir, well played. I was going to edit it too.
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49ers Chase Young and Nick Bosa are going to be a real menace for opponents offensive lines
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1723775936863351273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723775936863351273%7Ctwgr%5Eba8dcac49243864de2e74d2fd08fce81f2565e99%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2F49ers-get-right-with-dominant-win-over-jaguars-sparked-by-upgraded-pass-rush-192243515.html
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The amount of turnovers by the bills is absolutely unreal.
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I’m stunned how much they’ve imploded. They are just absolutely broken
Bump
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Bump
Broncos did a nice job getting the FG team out there. Can’t imagine Buffalo pulling that off
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That was a hell of a game.
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Fumblin’ and bumblin’.
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That was a hell of a game.
As in bad, yeah. Going to be some housecleaning in Buffalo.
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That was a hell of a game.
Emphasis on the hell part.
The Bills have the same record as one team starting Gardner Minshew and another team that fired its coach two weeks ago and is starting a rookie 4th round pick.
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Emphasis on the hell part.
The Bills have the same record as one team starting Gardner Minshew and another team that fired its coach two weeks ago and is starting a rookie 4th round pick.
Yup on the emphasis.
I wonder if Buffalo would try to come up with some trade compensation to bring back Daboll. There’s no way (barring a miraculous run) McDermott is back.
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Interesting timing…
https://twitter.com/trevondiggs/status/1724285469855260693?s=46&t=NRU9E-3gW4byqA-amu6Xmw
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That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.
There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.
This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.
(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)
(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)
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That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.
There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.
This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.
(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)
(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)
Call me crazy but I feel like anytime an NFL line his double digits it's Vegas saying THIS IS A HUGE LINE.
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Probably time for a coaching change in Buffalo. This probably isn't even McDermott's "fault," but ...
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Probably time for a coaching change in Buffalo. This probably isn't even McDermott's "fault," but ...
I wouldn't be so sure. McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo. His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender. Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.
But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year. Its not just Daboll leaving. He was gone last year and they still went 13-3. Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference. They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement. That is seemingly gone. Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously. And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year. He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.
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I wouldn't be so sure. McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo. His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender. Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.
But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year. Its not just Daboll leaving. He was gone last year and they still went 13-3. Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference. They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement. That is seemingly gone. Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously. And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year. He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.
Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.
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Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.
Good call.
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Good call.
Prescient!
And thus begins Joe Brady’s last chance to prove he wasn’t a fluke. Terrible in Carolina, has been the QB coach as Allen floundered, now will call the plays for a team/offense in disarray. Sheesh
To be fair, I’m speaking to the NFL. If he stinks again, he’ll get a QB coach or OC gig for a mid level P5 school in no time
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Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.
They certainly won’t get rid of the Human Turnover Machine.
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I wouldn't be so sure. McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo. His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender. Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.
But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year. Its not just Daboll leaving. He was gone last year and they still went 13-3. Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference. They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement. That is seemingly gone. Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously. And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year. He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.
They seem disjointed, they make an incredible number of sloppy/stoopid mistakes, have poor attention to detail ... and they just don't play winning football. And Allen ... yikes.
I'm just saying that sometimes there is a statute of limitations on when a certain coach's voice stops being heard. Phil Jackson used to talk about that - even for excellent coaches, it can happen. Has McDermott reached that point? Not sure. And they certainly have had a ton of defensive injuries.
Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.
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They seem disjointed, they make an incredible number of sloppy/stoopid mistakes, have poor attention to detail ... and they just don't play winning football. And Allen ... yikes.
I'm just saying that sometimes there is a statute of limitations on when a certain coach's voice stops being heard. Phil Jackson used to talk about that - even for excellent coaches, it can happen. Has McDermott reached that point? Not sure. And they certainly have had a ton of defensive injuries.
Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.
Oh I completely agree. I was saying I think its primarily McDermott's fault. They don't "look like the Bills" of the last few years, and thats coaching, IMO. Moreso than injuries. The OC situation has been bad, but thats also on the HC to an extent.
They certainly won’t get rid of the Human Turnover Machine.
Are you gonna go cranky sports hate on Allen too?
His TD/INT the last 3 years...
37/10
36/15
35/14
Does he need a good OC to help reign him in and curb a need to play hero ball? Sure. But in a league that is SEVERELY lacking in quality QB depth, he's one of the last people that should be getting side eye in Buffalo.
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Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.
Or a defensive play call with 35 second remaining that left a receiver running free behind the secondary. The Bills stacked eight defenders at the LOS on that play - a 3rd and 10, no less - leaving single coverage on all three receivers without even a single deep safety. An absolutely insane time to call Cover 0.
What could go wrong?
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Or a defensive play call with 35 second remaining that left a receiver running free behind the secondary. The Bills stacked eight defenders at the LOS on that play - a 3rd and 10, no less - leaving single coverage on all three receivers without even a single deep safety. An absolutely insane time to call Cover 0.
What could go wrong?
Yeah, that too.
McDermott's been there for 7 years. He's had a lot of regular-season success, especially the last few years. He's had a lot of talent to work with, including a Pro Bowl QB. He's won three straight division titles. He's also 4-5 in the playoffs, with only one trip to the conference title game, and zero Super Bowl appearances.
He certainly has a good enough body of work for the owner to think that this year has been something of an outlier (at least as far as the regular season goes) and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But changing course in a situation like this certainly wouldn't be unprecedented, either.
Way too much talent in Buffalo all these years to have had so little postseason success IMHO. And this season has been a total train wreck.
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Yeah, that too.
McDermott's been there for 7 years. He's had a lot of regular-season success, especially the last few years. He's had a lot of talent to work with, including a Pro Bowl QB. He's won three straight division titles. He's also 4-5 in the playoffs, with only one trip to the conference title game, and zero Super Bowl appearances.
He certainly has a good enough body of work for the owner to think that this year has been something of an outlier (at least as far as the regular season goes) and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But changing course in a situation like this certainly wouldn't be unprecedented, either.
Way too much talent in Buffalo all these years to have had so little postseason success IMHO. And this season has been a total train wreck.
They’re in need of a reset.
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I'd trade Love and MLF for Allen and McDermott. Maybe the Bills would be willing to throw in some weapons or OL help to sweeten the deal, too.
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I'd trade Love and MLF for Allen and McDermott. Maybe the Bills would be willing to throw in some weapons or OL help to sweeten the deal, too.
Bills OL sucks.
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Eye'd peddle #10 and MLF fore a couple used Bikes, hey?
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Are you gonna go cranky sports hate on Allen too?
His TD/INT the last 3 years...
37/10
36/15
35/14
Does he need a good OC to help reign him in and curb a need to play hero ball? Sure. But in a league that is SEVERELY lacking in quality QB depth, he's one of the last people that should be getting side eye in Buffalo.
It was just a sarcastic comment. No different than if I said that Allen makes Farve look like a game manager.
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That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.
There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.
This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.
(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)
(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)
An interesting phenomenon we are seeing in The NFL is the stadiums at road games ,for Popular teams ,tend to be half filled or more with road teams fans.
For example, I went to the Packers Raiders game a few weeks ago and when the Packers gained 4 yards on a rushing play the whole place erupted .
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An interesting phenomenon we are seeing in The NFL is the stadiums at road games ,for Popular teams ,tend to be half filled or. More with road teams fans.
For example, I went to the Packers Raiders game a few weeks ago and when the Packers gained 4 yards on a rushing play the whole place erupted .
Yes, this is a new thing that just started this year. I was taken aback when I noticed as well.
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Yes, this is a new thing that just started this year. I was taken aback when I noticed as well.
Yesterday I laughed out loud at one of your posts. Today, you embrace sarcasm.
I like it.
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I don't think it was mentioned Sunday how gutsy Dan Campbell continues to be with his game management. He knew the Lions needed to score lots of points to beat the Chargers, and he went for it 5 times on 4th down. The Lions converted 4 of them - and they weren't 4th-and-inches plays, either.
His boldest call came with just under 2 minutes left and the game tied at 38. It was fourth-and-2 at the LA 26-yard line, and the Lions could have kicked the go-ahead FG, but instead Campbell went for it - and Goff completed a 6-yard pass to keep the drive going. As a result, the Lions were able to run out the clock and kick the game-winner on the final play.
Had Campbell gone for the first FG attempt - as most (if not all) coaches would have done - Herbert would have had plenty of time and a solid chance to win the game. But the coach trusted Goff & Co. to get at least 2 yards to basically win the game.
Of course, had the gambit failed, Campbell would be getting criticized by some for the decision. But it didn't fail, and this is who Campbell is. From an outside observer - neither a Lions fan nor a Lions hater - it's great stuff.
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He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.
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He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.
And yet many (probably most, perhaps even all) other coaches with sieve defenses would have kicked the FG in the same scenario.
The dope here in Charlotte sent out his accurate-but-short-range kicker to try a 59-yarder just to tie the game. It was only about 10 yards short.
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I don't think it was mentioned Sunday how gutsy Dan Campbell continues to be with his game management. He knew the Lions needed to score lots of points to beat the Chargers, and he went for it 5 times on 4th down. The Lions converted 4 of them - and they weren't 4th-and-inches plays, either.
His boldest call came with just under 2 minutes left and the game tied at 38. It was fourth-and-2 at the LA 26-yard line, and the Lions could have kicked the go-ahead FG, but instead Campbell went for it - and Goff completed a 6-yard pass to keep the drive going. As a result, the Lions were able to run out the clock and kick the game-winner on the final play.
Had Campbell gone for the first FG attempt - as most (if not all) coaches would have done - Herbert would have had plenty of time and a solid chance to win the game. But the coach trusted Goff & Co. to get at least 2 yards to basically win the game.
Of course, had the gambit failed, Campbell would be getting criticized by some for the decision. But it didn't fail, and this is who Campbell is. From an outside observer - neither a Lions fan nor a Lions hater - it's great stuff.
Couldn't agree more. They play insanely entertaining football in totality, and much of the vibes come from Campbell himself. He and McDaniel have been such a refreshing addition to an increasingly stale and formulaic NFL HC collection. And IMO, his gutsy calls and decision making has been measured and well placed, unlike Staley on the other sideline who often makes "gutsy" calls that are beyond head scratching.
He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.
The Silver Lining!!! Not just for West Bend Insurance anymore ;D
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Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.
Good call. Dorsey was selected as Mr. Scapegoat. He had some head-coaching interviews this past offseason IIRC.
Not For Long, indeed.
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Couldn't agree more. They play insanely entertaining football in totality, and much of the vibes come from Campbell himself. He and McDaniel have been such a refreshing addition to an increasingly stale and formulaic NFL HC collection. And IMO, his gutsy calls and decision making has been measured and well placed, unlike Staley on the other sideline who often makes "gutsy" calls that are beyond head scratching.
The thing about Staley is I don't think he makes "gutsy" calls, in the sense he's going by gut instinct or any intuitive sense that might go against the grain. I think he's a robot. He seems to make decisions based on whatever the probabilities tell him, regardless of the game situation or flow. Fourth and 1 is fourth and 1, regardless of the time on the clock, ball location, score, defense, run success in the game, etc. He either has no instincts or doesn't trust the instincts he has.
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The thing about Staley is I don't think he makes "gutsy" calls, in the sense he's going by gut instinct or any intuitive sense that might go against the grain. I think he's a robot. He seems to make decisions based on whatever the probabilities tell him, regardless of the game situation or flow. Fourth and 1 is fourth and 1, regardless of the time on the clock, ball location, score, defense, run success in the game, etc. He either has no instincts or doesn't trust the instincts he has.
Thats totally fair, hence why i put the quotations around it. I meant more in the generally accepted sense of gutsy, but I agree. He's not some gambler, he's on autopilot and it burns him way too often, its pretty remarkable.
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Barring a remarkable turnaround, pretty sure Staley will be gone after the season, right?
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Barring a remarkable turnaround, pretty sure Staley will be gone after the season, right?
Get right game this weekend
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The Silver Lining!!! Not just for West Bend Insurance anymore ;D
Fact. Detroit's defense had just given up touchdowns on 5 consecutive possessions. Campbell acknowledged this and said he trusted his offense more than his defense to make a play at that point. Not complaining. Just echoing the coach.
Other than the Seattle loss, Campbell continues to be aggressive with his play calling and continues to go for it on 4th down. Fun stuff.
Detroit is getting serious as they are signing vets with playoff experience to their practice squad.
NM: They grabbed an experienced corner.
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Good read, for anyone interested, on why Ken Dorsey wasn't the problem in Buffalo.
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/sean-mcdermott-buffalo-bills-ken-dorsey/
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Bengals could be in some trouble for not disclosing a Burrow wrist injury.
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Bengals could be in some trouble for not disclosing a Burrow wrist injury.
That would go along with the Bengals' season definitely being in trouble.
The injury is a damn shame. Burrow is a great QB who is fun to watch, and injuries have ruined his season - and the Bengals' championship hopes.
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Burrow officially done for the year
If Bills dont figure it out fast the Chiefs gonna have a cake walk back to the superbowl.
Injuries blow, no Burrow will now give the Vikes another winnable game in their improbable push for another first round playoff exit.
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Burrow officially done for the year
If Bills dont figure it out fast the Chiefs gonna have a cake walk back to the superbowl.
Injuries blow, no Burrow will now give the Vikes another winnable game in their improbable push for another first round playoff exit.
Don't sleep on the Ravens.
And of course the Vikings are in the playoff picture.
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Don't sleep on the Ravens.
And of course the Vikings are in the playoff picture.
Lamar gonna have to show me something in the playoffs before I wake up
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Best fans in football being criticized
https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/nfl-news-and-rumors/christian-watsons-father-slams-packers-fans-says-theyre-worse-than-phillys
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They are taking advantage of their first amendment freedoms. And so is he. And he isn't wrong.
If you look at this season through the prism of it being a rebuild, then there is definitely reason for optimism down the road.
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They are taking advantage of their first amendment freedoms. And so is he. And he isn't wrong.
If you look at this season through the prism of it being a rebuild, then there is definitely reason for optimism down the road.
I’m not a fan of the first amendment
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I’m not a fan of the first amendment
But the second on the other hand…
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I’m not a fan of the first amendment
....he opines ironically....
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....he opines ironically....
I’m a fan of my first amendment rights
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Big game for Texans. In playoff contention . Saw CJ Stroud play live and he has a bright future .
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Browns Steelers always a big rivalry game. Today a lot on the line as both teams are 6-3
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/18/steelers-browns-ravens-afc-north-playoffs/
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Loud crowd in Duu-vaal today. Jags need win against divisional rival Titans.
Titans have one of the worst logos in NFL. Should be a cartoon like Greek God instead of a Winged T
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Trevor Lawrence solid first half for Jags
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Lawrence to Ridley quite a combination.
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Fields looking like an NFL quarterback.
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Randall Cobb a healthy scratch again.
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Fields looking like an NFL quarterback.
Running back…?
That pass to Moore was sick, and stepped up to buy time.
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Fields looking like an NFL quarterback.
Goff, on the other hand
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I am in a comfortable place.
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Heckuva drive by Goff
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Considering how he played for 56 minutes, an impressive finish.
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Considering how he played for 56 minutes, an impressive finish.
Yup. Pretty gutsy
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Did the Bears blow this game or did the Lions win it? Last I checked it was 26-14 Bears. WTF?
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Fields is the Bears QB.
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Did the Bears blow this game or did the Lions win it? Last I checked it was 26-14 Bears. WTF?
Yes.
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That’s a bad beat in Detroit, lol
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Running back…?
That pass to Moore was sick, and stepped up to buy time.
What's his record as a starter? You don't judge a QB on one throw. Now maybe he'd be just fine with a different coaching staff? I dunno but his record speaks for itself.
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Fields is the Bears QB.
For 6 more games.
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Yes.
So we essentially crapped the bed as usual? Unreal.
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Nope. If he plays close to the way he played today, he will be the man until his contract is up.
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That’s a bad beat in Detroit, lol
Bears need to fire the DC.
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Heckuva win by the Browns
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They went prevent after being in Goff's jock all day. Then they were extremely conservative with 3 minutes left. Played not to lose. Lost.
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Nope. If he plays close to the way he played today, he will be the man until his contract is up.
6 more games, right?
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Bears need to fire the DC.
What about Eberfoxtrestman?
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6 more games, right?
Is it? Did not know. Thought he had a couple more years on his rookie deal.
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Is it? Did not know. Thought he had a couple more years on his rookie deal.
Just checked, next year is his final year.
I'm on the side of the majority that they pick a QB at #1.
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The Bills may be cursed. Another ambulance.
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What about Eberfoxtrestman?
I will never get the time back I spent watching the game where John Fox punted on all 10 possessions
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That’s a bad beat in Detroit, lol
But not in Charlotte. I could've put the grandkids through college if I had bet against the Panthers this season.
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I hope Fields is the long term QB for the Bears.
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I hope Fields is the long term QB for the Bears.
He won't be if he keeps having 18 carries per game.
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Vikes offense dominating again early but failing to score inside the 5 yet again because they inexplicably waste 2nd and goal running with Mattison.
Such a bad offensive plan all year inside the 5. Thank god the Broncos couldnt tackle for the first TD.
Offense looks great again other than that.
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Vikes offense dominating again early but failing to score inside the 5 yet again because they inexplicably waste 2nd and goal running with Mattison.
Such a bad offensive plan all year inside the 5. Thank god the Broncos couldnt tackle for the first TD.
Offense looks great again other than that.
Just kept going to Mattison and handed away a game they had nearly wrapped up
Masterclass in how to blow a game by KOC
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Having Hockenson take the snap and then option to Dobbs may be the worst idea I have seen this season.
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Just kept going to Mattison and handed away a game they had nearly wrapped up
Masterclass in how to blow a game by KOC
I agree that Mattison stretches the fungibility of running backs to its limit. He's been bad - I don't get it when you can consistently find workable replacements for close to free.
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Having Hockenson take the snap and then option to Dobbs may be the worst idea I have seen this season.
You lose your franchise QB and a fill-in miraculously steps in to help keep the playoff push alive, why not make sure that fill-in gets more hits than needed? What could go wrong?
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Speaking of stand-ins, Flacco signed to the Browns practice squad in a truly bizzare move from his perspective.
He’s made $175MM in his career, doesn’t need the money, and he’s nearly 39, so it’s not like he’s getting another sizeable contract.
He hasn’t been a regular starter in a couple years and was demoted for a third stringer last year. And he’s not brought in to start, so it’s not like he’s got the competitive fire to lead one more playoff push.
And to top it off, his last 2 teams, Philly and the Jets, are centric to NJ where he’s from so he’d presumably be living in a spot where he’d want to be post-playing days.
I really like Cleveland, but if I had FU money, it wouldn’t be somewhere I was hankering to hang out during the winter for the short term. I mean, maybe he wants to get into coaching and this is part of it, mentoring wise with a young QB? But you’d think he could get a proper coaching gig easier
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I mean, maybe he just likes playing football.
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I mean, maybe he just likes playing football.
Practicing football…cause the odds of him actually playing in a game are fairly low at this point.
And sure, but it’s like if Andrew McCutchen signs a minor league deal with the Twins this off-season. Or Brook Lopez not getting extended so he goes to the G-League. Would just be odd at this point.
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With the rate of QB injuries this season, I would hesitate to say Flacco won't play.
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Practicing football…cause the odds of him actually playing in a game are fairly low at this point.
And sure, but it’s like if Andrew McCutchen signs a minor league deal with the Twins this off-season. Or Brook Lopez not getting extended so he goes to the G-League. Would just be odd at this point.
I wouldn't say practicing for the Cleveland Browns and carrying a clipboard for a few hours every Sunday is all that similar to playing for the Wisconsin Herd or Wichita Wind Surge.
Anyhow, maybe he's bored. Maybe he made some bad investments. Maybe he can't stand his wife and and just wants to get out of the home for a while.
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Am I living in the 'Twilight Zone'? This is from ESPN "Fields was terrific in his first game since dislocating his right thumb on Oct. 15. He finished 16-of-23 for 169 yards and a touchdown."
Since when is 169 yards and 1 TD "terrific"? It is terrific for Justin, but for a 3rd year pro it is a decent game in the NFL.
Fans can go way overboard criticizing Fields, but calling his play "terrific" seems equally disingenuous.
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Am I living in the 'Twilight Zone'? This is from ESPN "Fields was terrific in his first game since dislocating his right thumb on Oct. 15. He finished 16-of-23 for 169 yards and a touchdown."
Since when is 169 yards and 1 TD "terrific"? It is terrific for Justin, but for a 3rd year pro it is a decent game in the NFL.
Fans can go way overboard criticizing Fields, but calling his play "terrific" seems equally disingenuous.
He was terrific
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Am I living in the 'Twilight Zone'? This is from ESPN "Fields was terrific in his first game since dislocating his right thumb on Oct. 15. He finished 16-of-23 for 169 yards and a touchdown."
Since when is 169 yards and 1 TD "terrific"? It is terrific for Justin, but for a 3rd year pro it is a decent game in the NFL.
Fans can go way overboard criticizing Fields, but calling his play "terrific" seems equally disingenuous.
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Leaving out he rushed for 100 yards is also a bit disingenuous.
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Fields was the best player on the field for 55 minutes.
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Yesterday was another great day for the Bears and their fans.
They found a way to turn a seemingly sure win into a loss, and got to watch from afar as the Panthers embarrassed themselves (again).
They even got to see Justin Fields, their maybe yes maybe no QB of the future, play relatively well.
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Tim Boyle is starting for the Jets this week.
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Tim Boyle is starting for the Jets this week.
Tim Boyle is likely the worst quarterback in all of the NFL. How he even is on an NFL roster is something.
https://x.com/rodger/status/1726661700831817757?s=20
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Better they start this guy ...
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/10/you034da.jpg?resize=1064,709&quality=75&strip=all)
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Tim Boyle is likely the worst quarterback in all of the NFL. How he even is on an NFL roster is something.
https://x.com/rodger/status/1726661700831817757?s=20
He’s friends with Aaron
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Leaving out he rushed for 100 yards is also a bit disingenuous.
I guess you'll have to take that up with ESPN.
But you make a good point, so is 250 net yards of offense and 1 TD terrific? If so, what would you call Love's game yesterday?
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I guess you'll have to take that up with ESPN.
But you make a good point, so is 250 net yards of offense and 1 TD terrific? If so, what would you call Love's game yesterday?
Terrific
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Love played his best game so far.
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what would you call Love's game
Exciting and new.
Come aboard. We're expecting you.
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And yet, nobody here has used the obvious...
Love stinks, yeah, yeah (Love stinks)
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Love's game is a zero
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Love.
Love will keep us together.
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Don't you want a Jordan to Love?
Don't you need a Jordan to Love?
Wouldn't you love a Jordan to Love?
You better find a Jordan to Love.
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Tim Boyle is likely the worst quarterback in all of the NFL. How he even is on an NFL roster is something.
https://x.com/rodger/status/1726661700831817757?s=20
Right.
The Jets not going out signing Carson Wentz or making a deal for a guy like Jacoby Brissett - instead insisting that Wilson was their guy - is football malpractice. Maybe Wentz is cooked, but as bad as he's been the past couple of years, it's still an upgrade over what the Jets have in their QB room.
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On ESPN, Rex Ryan said Staley "should go back to Division III, where he belongs."
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On ESPN, Rex Ryan said Staley "should go back to Division III, where he belongs."
Where’s Rex coaching these days? Does he still think he’s a genius? Guy stepped into a great situation with the Jets, two years later their demise began.
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Where’s Rex coaching these days? Does he still think he’s a genius? Guy stepped into a great situation with the Jets, two years later their demise began.
Devils advocate, Rex had almost 15 years as an NFL assistant, 5 as a DC, serving as an integral part of a historically good defense before getting a HC job. He got another HC job shortly after he got fired by the Jets. And even after the Buffalo failure, he likely wouldn’t have had any issue getting a DC job.
Staley spent 4 years in the NFL, one as a DC, after a number of years in the lower college ranks, and has been thoroughly underwhelming as an NFL coach. When he gets fired, I won’t be surprised to see him go back to the position coach ranks cause I don’t think he’ll fall into a DC gig.
Rex may have flamed out but when he has far more bonafides than Staley
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This is why I am a huge Trevor Lawrence fan….
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/11/20/trevor-lawrence-catered-waffle-house-for-the-jaguars-front-office-after-impressive-sunday-win/
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That’s the MVS i remember.
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Where’s Rex coaching these days? Does he still think he’s a genius? Guy stepped into a great situation with the Jets, two years later their demise began.
Don't shoot the messenger. I just relayed the quote.
Also, what Wags said.
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I agree that Mattison stretches the fungibility of running backs to its limit. He's been bad - I don't get it when you can consistently find workable replacements for close to free.
Especially since Chandler seems to have some real potential.
Of course, in a bigger role he may struggle too. But hes explosive and much better in space and pass catching.
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Staley spent 4 years in the NFL, one as a DC, after a number of years in the lower college ranks, and has been thoroughly underwhelming as an NFL coach. When he gets fired, I won’t be surprised to see him go back to the position coach ranks cause I don’t think he’ll fall into a DC gig.
Rex may have flamed out but when he has far more bonafides than Staley
Staley's side of the ball is also what has let the Chargers down year after year, which raises a ton of questions about what he would bring to his next team.
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This is why I am a huge Trevor Lawrence fan….
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/11/20/trevor-lawrence-catered-waffle-house-for-the-jaguars-front-office-after-impressive-sunday-win/
Sounds like an insult to me although if he was really feeling mean, he would have catered IHOP.
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I guess you'll have to take that up with ESPN.
But you make a good point, so is 250 net yards of offense and 1 TD terrific? If so, what would you call Love's game yesterday?
Better than Jalen Hurts stats. He gets MVP love for last night throwing for 150 yards and running for 29.
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Better than Jalen Hurts stats. He gets MVP love for last night throwing for 150 yards and running for 29.
Tom Brady is correct.
"I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's NFL. I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past," Brady said.
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Tom Brady is correct.
"I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's NFL. I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past," Brady said.
Typical old man response.
‘Back in my day, ……..”.
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Yeah I see plenty of good teams. Brady has already moved into old guy mode.
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Gotta love Scoop, dismissing the recently retired GOAT"s opinion about the NFL.
Does Scoop think Stephen Hawking was a hack high-school physics teacher?
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Couldn't teach.
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Gotta love Scoop, dismissing the recently retired GOAT"s opinion about the NFL.
Does Scoop think Stephen Hawking was a hack high-school physics teacher?
I’ve watched the NFL for almost my entire life. I don’t think there is any more “mediocrity” now than there usually is. Certainly not more than two years ago.
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The only 'mediocrity' I see is the number of back up qbs starting.
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The only 'mediocrity' I see is the number of back up qbs starting.
Even with all starters healthy, QB play is way down from 10-15 years ago, IMO.
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Even with all starters healthy, QB play is way down from 10-15 years ago, IMO.
Agreed, and I think thats the most compeling argument against expansion right now, whether London/Mexico City or otherwise. You don't have enough quality starting QBs for the current teams, much less more.
I don't know if its due to the quality of defenses and scouting improving, but QB play, comparatively, is much lower.
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Feel wrong not having this conversation over beers three through six, but I think its just depends on whether we're saying "the top guys are more mediocre" or "the middle guys are worse." The former is probably true because we were spoiled by a once-a-generation top tier 10-15 years ago. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees are all time greats, with Rivers, Roethlisberger, and in a "only super bowls matter" way, Eli, close behind. Only Mahomes looks to be in that tier today. Its hard to see Herbert, Hurts, Allen ever reaching that level.
But assuming the bottom 1/3 of QBs are always more or less equally crapty, that leaves QBs 6-20 to gauge the quality of the position. There, I think your Tua, Kirk, Goff, Dak are more or less comparable to the Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco types of a decade ago.
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OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24. Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?
I say extend Goff.
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OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24. Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?
I say extend Goff.
You have to. Hooker is older than Love...not to say that he can't develop, but like Love, did not come from a pro style offense and will need time.
A funny hypothesis I saw on Twitter: would the Rams and Lions consider a deal for Stafford?
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Stafford would excel with this coordinator, this line, this running game, and these receivers. He had decent receivers but nothing else while he was in Detroit However, that ship has sailed. Too old, too banged up after years of abuse.
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OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24. Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?
I say extend Goff.
I agree. Is he a top 5 QB? No. Is he good enough to get you to a Super Bowl? He already did once and he's a better QB now than he was back then. His accuracy numbers are good, Bears game aside he doesn't throw a bunch of picks, and he fits into this offense well.
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I agree. Is he a top 5 QB? No. Is he good enough to get you to a Super Bowl? He already did once and he's a better QB now than he was back then. His accuracy numbers are good, Bears game aside he doesn't throw a bunch of picks, and he fits into this offense well.
Lions could do worse than Goff, which is testimony to how lousy qb play has become around the league more than anything. Improved yes, but still very mistake prone. Fumbles go against qb’s too and the three yesterday were very preventable and had huge impact on the outcome.
I’d be looking elsewhere if I’m Detroit. Goff is ultimately going to let a team down. There’s a reason LAR reached a Super Bowl with him and traded him for Stafford. Without question the right decision.
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Del Rio is now on the market.
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If I were Detroit, I'd love to get somebody better than Goff, but these kinds of decisions aren't made in a vacuum.
Who better than Goff is likely to be available?
If healthy, Cousins would be the most talented by far. But what has he ever won? (I guess the same could be said about Stafford a few years ago - needed to get to a new team to win.)
Fields? Mayfield? Mac Jones? Winston? Would any of those be better for the Lions than Goff?
Hell, maybe Detroit could get Stafford back!
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Who better than Goff is likely to be available?
The correct answer.
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If I were Detroit, I'd love to get somebody better than Goff, but these kinds of decisions aren't made in a vacuum.
Who better than Goff is likely to be available?
If healthy, Cousins would be the most talented by far. But what has he ever won? (I guess the same could be said about Stafford a few years ago - needed to get to a new team to win.)
Fields? Mayfield? Mac Jones? Winston? Would any of those be better for the Lions than Goff?
Hell, maybe Detroit could get Stafford back!
Totally agree 82 - and anyone that would be assuredly better than Goff would also be more expensive. Tua is coming up on his second contract, and there is a lot of risk there both in terms of injury and that I think McDaniels + Tyreek have saved his career and made him look better than the system guy he is. Is Dak worth swapping for Goff? Barring injury Lawrence will get his huge extension and so won't be on the table.
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Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.
Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers
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Apparently the Jets offense is even worse playing defense than they are playing offense - if that’s possible.
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Apparently the Jets offense is even worse playing defense than they are playing offense - if that’s possible.
The shot of Rodgers before the XP was priceless
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Jets bringing Boyle in because he’s friends with Rodgers is paying off handsomely today.
Randall Cobb has been invisible, too.
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Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.
Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers
At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.
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At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.
Well, they could be stuck with him if Rodgers wants him back.
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At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.
I’d take any of the Packers top 4 receivers- Watson, Doubs, Reed, and Wicks in a heartbeat over Lazard. Lazard is a pretty good player, but he’s already at his ceiling IMO.
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I’d take any of the Packers top 4 receivers- Watson, Doubs, Reed, and Wicks in a heartbeat over Lazard. Lazard is a pretty good player, but he’s already at his ceiling IMO.
Imo, Malik Heath will be Lazard before too long
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Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.
Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers
The entire packers WR room is making less combined than Lazard this season
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Imo, Malik Heath will be Lazard before too long
Forgot about Heath, he can play too.
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Jags able to eke out a victory over Divisional rival Texans. Lawrence vs Stroud going to be a fun matchup in the coming years . Jags move to 8-3
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Falcons claw Saints and move into first place tie with New Orleans in NFC South at 5-6. South is possibly the worst division in NFL
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What is roughing the passer these days?
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Redzone studio currently under evacuation 😂
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Wow … Jake Elliott!
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Pretty good game for such a mediocre league.
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Pretty good game for such a mediocre league.
Ratings are going to finally crater
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Holy moly … Justin Tucker hooked a FG attempt.
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Ahem
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63367.msg1578047#msg1578047 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63367.msg1578047#msg1578047)
And yet, nobody here has used the obvious...
Love stinks, yeah, yeah (Love stinks)
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Carolina fires Frank Reich.
MU82, you have an owner problem in Charlotte. Good luck with that
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Carolina fires Frank Reich.
MU82, you have an owner problem in Charlotte. Good luck with that
Can't say I'm surprised. According to reports, Tepper stormed out of the locker room yesterday screaming the f-word.
Tepper will never fire himself, so that's life in the big city.
I don't feel "sorry" for any highly compensated coaches or athletes, really, but I admit I do feel a little bad for Bryce Young. He never had a chance. If nothing else, the little guy has proven he can take a hit.
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Reich preferred Stroud right? Probably should have listened to him.
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Reich preferred Stroud right? Probably should have listened to him.
We don't know that. I have seen reports, but none that made me believe it definitely was the case.
Wouldn't surprise me, though. And it certainly wouldn't surprise me that Tepper (and his wife) meddled.
IMHO, Stroud would be getting killed behind this line while trying to throw to receivers who can't get open. Several times during yesterday's broadcast, replays showed how Carolina's receivers simply didn't get open. And Tennessee's defense isn't exactly the '85 Bears.
Ironically (or maybe coincidentally), the Panthers' one win was over Houston ... and Young outplayed Stroud by a pretty good margin.
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How many coaches are still on CAR payroll? Def Rhule and now Reich
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One thing the Panthers don't need is an "offensive-minded" head coach. Just hire the best guy and bring in a great offensive coordinator.
For example, I've really liked what Ejiro Evero has done with a defense that has been decimated by injury and has not been helped at all by the Carolina offense. Hired away from the Broncos to be D coordinator this season, he also had been interviewed for the head-coaching job.
Is he the best out there? It's not my job to know that. It's Tepper's job, and so far his record of hires hasn't been the best.
According to The Athletic, Detroit's Ben Johnson was Tepper's first choice last year but Johnson decided (smartly) to stay in Detroit. It's hard to imagine him thinking the job is more attractive now.
Ugh.
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You can't let Luke Getsy get back on the plane.
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You can't let Luke Getsy get back on the plane.
How can he not know you're allowed to pass the ball over 10 yds?
100% chance he is the Jets' QB coach next year.
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Try Getsy in the Hague. aDOT on completions of 0.3 yards
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Screen play called - drink!
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Bears can't even drop an interception. Uhg, cost them 15 yds. :(
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The whole division is pretty trash right now
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This is like watching Giants vs. Jets.
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Bad - the decision to challenge by Eberflus
Worse - he threw the red flag farther than most of Fields' passes tonight
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Yeah … fire everyone and draft a QB.
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I swear at the end of games, the Bears actively try to lose.
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This game was over - and people deserved to be fired - before the 4th quarter started
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Yes, still fire everyone and draft a QB.
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That game was great. Let's do it again
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GB looking good for playoffs. Minny is finished. GB still has NYG, Carolina, Vikings, and Bears after KC.
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Yes, still fire everyone and draft a QB.
I'm sure ESPN will tell us Fields was terrific. ::)
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How do they decide on a “star” for the postgame show? Maybe one of the equipment guys?
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Yes, still fire everyone and draft a QB.
IMO, Bears would be dumb to take a QB (in the first round, top 10 pick). This team is far from a super bowl. And this coaching staff cannot develop a QB.
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IMO, Bears would be dumb to take a QB (in the first round, top 10 pick). This team is far from a super bowl. And this coaching staff cannot develop a QB.
Hence listing "fire everyone" first.
Hell, Tepper woulda done it last season! And you saw how well that turned out for his team!!
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IMO, Bears would be dumb to take a QB (in the first round, top 10 pick). This team is far from a super bowl. And this coaching staff cannot develop a QB.
The Cubs have a better chance to win the Stanley Cup than the Bears coaches returning next year.
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The Cubs have a better chance to win the Stanley Cup than the Bears coaches returning next year.
This coaching staff should be fired yesterday. This is the biggest reason why:
https://x.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1729332683811987753?s=20
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This coaching staff should be fired yesterday. This is the biggest reason why:
https://x.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1729332683811987753?s=20
Good point.
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IMO, Bears would be dumb to take a QB (in the first round, top 10 pick). This team is far from a super bowl. And this coaching staff cannot develop a QB.
If this coaching staff cannot develop a QB, the “solution” isn’t avoiding drafting one - it’s putting a coaching staff together who can develop one. Whether that’s Fields or a 2024 draft choice should be the new staff’s prerogative.
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This coaching staff should be fired yesterday. This is the biggest reason why:
https://x.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1729332683811987753?s=20
Is he saying that the Bears’ coaching staff should draw up a game plan to “evaluate Justin Fields” rather one they think will win them a football game? How would those be fundamentally different?
Furthermore it’s year three. He’s started 33 games. Not to mention countless practices. If you don’t understand if he’s your quarterback of at least the near future by this point, I don’t know what to say.
But regardless the coaching staff’s job is to win games. If the GM doesn’t like the way they are doing that, get a new coaching staff. But the tweet above is kind of like the “let’s have Justin play a lot and still lose” stuff from last year. I don’t see how that helps the team.
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Is he saying that the Bears’ coaching staff should draw up a game plan to “evaluate Justin Fields” rather one they think will win them a football game? How would those be fundamentally different?
Furthermore it’s year three. He’s started 33 games. Not to mention countless practices. If you don’t understand if he’s your quarterback of at least the near future by this point, I don’t know what to say.
But regardless the coaching staff’s job is to win games. If the GM doesn’t like the way they are doing that, get a new coaching staff. But the tweet above is kind of like the “let’s have Justin play a lot and still lose” stuff from last year. I don’t see how that helps the team.
To answer the questions in your first paragraph ...
To win games, you might think the best thing would be to have Fields just about never throw the ball and have him do a lot of designed runs. To evaluate him as an NFL quarterback, you would run the same kinds of plays for him as most NFL teams do for most NFL quarterbacks, making the run more of an as-necessary thing but featuring mostly dropbacks and occasional rollouts. Yes, you try to take advantage of his ability to move, but you want to see him throw early and often, read defenses, make good choices. If he fails repeatedly at the latter, it probably will go against your desire to win games, but you will have come to the conclusion that you need a better QB.
I'm not saying that's what the Bears should do. Maybe they're already doing it to some degree. I don't follow the Bears. You asked the question, and that's the answer.
It's pretty common for teams to sacrifice a potential win or three to develop/evaluate young quarterbacks. Heck, the Panthers might have won another game or two if they had benched Young for Dalton, but that would have been dopey.
But I do agree with what you're saying overall. If the Bears haven't evaluated Fields by now, wow. And coaches are wired to win. It would have "helped" the Bears to lose last night, but Eberflus didn't take a knee on 4th down - he sent in the kicker to make the game-winner.
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I'm not sure I agree with the first paragraph. Whenever I hear MLF talk about Jordan Love, he says very specifically that they draw up a game plan for the opponent and he is asked to execute that game plan. Now are there things that Rodgers could do that he feels that Love cannot? Undoubtedly. But I don't think they are doing things out there specifically to "evaluate" him. They are doing what they game plan calls for.
My guess is that Getsy would be throwing a bunch of screen passes regardless of who the quarterback is. Honestly I found it to be an odd hire because he was really only brought back to Green Bay because Aaron Rodgers likes him. I don't recall anyone ever saying that he is some brilliant offensive mind.
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It's pretty common for teams to sacrifice a potential win or three to develop/evaluate young quarterbacks. Heck, the Panthers might have won another game or two if they had benched Young for Dalton, but that would have been dopey.
You're not wrong, but the key difference here, as Sultan notes, is that Justin Fields isn't a rookie or first-time starter. He has 35 games played and 33 starts. He's well beyond the "let's see what we've got here" stage.
There have been a handful exceptions, but for the most part a QB is who he is at this stage of his career. And for the few who do suddenly get better (Tannehill, Alex Smith) it's usually accompanied by a change of scenery.
I understand why Bears fans hope there's a huge well of untapped potential in Fields and he just needs the right coach to pull it out of him. But more likely than not, what you see is what you've got.
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Pak and Sultan: I am definitely not arguing for a game plan that allows for continued "evaluation" of Fields. If the Bears don't know what they have by now, they deserve whatever pain that follows.
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You're not wrong, but the key difference here, as Sultan notes, is that Justin Fields isn't a rookie or first-time starter. He has 35 games played and 33 starts. He's well beyond the "let's see what we've got here" stage.
There have been a handful exceptions, but for the most part a QB is who he is at this stage of his career. And for the few who do suddenly get better (Tannehill, Alex Smith) it's usually accompanied by a change of scenery.
I understand why Bears fans hope there's a huge well of untapped potential in Fields and he just needs the right coach to pull it out of him. But more likely than not, what you see is what you've got.
I agree with this.
Every NFL QB will be better with better OL play, better receivers and a better running game. The concept that Fields just need a better team around him to evaluate his true potential is wrong. For example, if Fields was throwing great deep passes and his receivers were dropping them, everyone (especially NFL coaches) would see he is great in that aspect of his game and just needs better receivers. If Fields is consistently missing wide open receivers, better OL and receivers will not make him much better, but yes, somewhat better. My point is that Arron Rodgers and Justin Fields are not markedly different QBs just because of their teammates.
I will say that you can make a logical argument that Fields is a quality QB that with a great team can win big. A strategy of paying Fields modestly and paying for a top line defense is a viable strategy (I would not love it).
In the end, the opportunity to get and the massive professional risk of passing on Williams at number 1 will be too great for the Bears FO and Fields will be a FA.
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What if Williams isn't even the best QB in the draft, let alone the best player, and you passed on the opportunity to get the best player (Marvin Harrison Jr) at #1 to reach for a QB?
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What if Williams isn't even the best QB in the draft, let alone the best player, and you passed on the opportunity to get the best player (Marvin Harrison Jr) at #1 to reach for a QB?
What if you drafted Marvin Harrison Jr and only threw screen passes to him? :D
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This just typifies the Bears the last few years…
https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1729514784192704912?s=46
Top 40 draft pick actually performs very well…but has started 13 games in 3 years and can’t stay healthy
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Poles and Eberflus are buddies with the same agent.
Allegedly, Eberflus was Poles choice without outside influence.
I don't see Poles getting fired after this season. I'm hesitant to believe Poles will fire Eberflus.
I'd be totally fine if Eberflus accepted a demotion to DC and they bring in all new other staff, though I'm not sure that's realistic.
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What if Williams isn't even the best QB in the draft, let alone the best player, and you passed on the opportunity to get the best player (Marvin Harrison Jr) at #1 to reach for a QB?
Landing a franchise QB is so much more important than landing a great receiver, that you have to take the risk.
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Maybe it’s not poles and Eberflus. Maybe Fields is just bad - Trubisky 2.0.
It’s pretty obvious by now that he can’t read defenses any better. Running and screen passes. 46% of his throws yesterday were behind the line of scrimmage. Most of the others were less than 5 yards. We have enough proof that he cannot succeed as a pocket passer.
The Bears OL has been better than adequate, the RBs better than average and receivers are at least average. Justin is the weakness.
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Poles and Eberflus are buddies with the same agent.
Allegedly, Eberflus was Poles choice without outside influence.
I don't see Poles getting fired after this season. I'm hesitant to believe Poles will fire Eberflus.
I'd be totally fine if Eberflus accepted a demotion to DC and they bring in all new other staff, though I'm not sure that's realistic.
Makes some sense but Kevin Warren didn't hire either of them and Poles has no clout to fight a change, except resigning himself. Poles would not get another opportunity in the NFL as a GM so he has to cover his butt first. Friendship is great but it only goes so far in a dumpster fire.
Eberflus may be a decent coach and he was given a horrible situation. Honestly I thought 6 wins would be a decent year, and maybe they can get there. My problem with him is Getsy has been an undeniable failure and his defense has been terrible (28th in the NFL), which I did not expect from a defensive guy.
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Landing a franchise QB is so much more important than landing a great receiver, that you have to take the risk.
That's fair.
I keep going back and forth on Williams. I'm gonna be real interested in reading about where the big shots have him rated once we get into the offseason.
It's impossible not to love Harrison. It's been a long time since a receiver with his combination of size, speed and skill has been available.
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Maybe it’s not poles and Eberflus. Maybe Fields is just bad - Trubisky 2.0.
It’s pretty obvious by now that he can’t read defenses any better. Running and screen passes. 46% of his throws yesterday were behind the line of scrimmage. Most of the others were less than 5 yards. We have enough proof that he cannot succeed as a pocket passer.
The Bears OL has been better than adequate, the RBs better than average and receivers are at least average. Justin is the weakness.
Running and screen passes called because that's all Fields can do or that's what Getsy thinks is a good plan? Those things aren't mutually exclusive either.
The OL is decent/good now because they're finally healthy - preseason/beginning of the year they were not.
The RB room is solid and TE is fine.
WR are, at best, average. Look at stats like separation and they aren't good.
Watching breakdown like JT O'Sullivan and you see Fields has flashes of awesome and also serious deficiencies. But he also notes significant issues with the offense as a whole.
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Running and screen passes called because that's all Fields can do or that's what Getsy thinks is a good plan? Those things aren't mutually exclusive either.
The OL is decent/good now because they're finally healthy - preseason/beginning of the year they were not.
The RB room is solid and TE is fine.
WR are, at best, average. Look at stats like separation and they aren't good.
Watching breakdown like JT O'Sullivan and you see Fields has flashes of awesome and also serious deficiencies. But he also notes significant issues with the offense as a whole.
Very fair assessment.
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I just hope he keeps flashing incredible talent twice a years and Bears fans can write it off as bad coaching/an inept organization and the Bears can just keep him as their QB.
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Luke Getsy is a heckuva a OC, aina?
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Landing a franchise QB is so much more important than landing a great receiver, that you have to take the risk.
At this point, the chance that Fields becomes an above average QB are much smaller than QB at #1 becomes great. No guaranty either happens but the odds are better with a QB at #1. Staying with Fields would be based upon 'gut feeling' and/or play in practices that none of us has seen. (Getsy and Eberflus must hate what they see in practice since they don't let him throw down field)
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At this point, the chance that Fields becomes an above average QB are much smaller than QB at #1 becomes great. No guaranty either happens but the odds are better with a QB at #1. Staying with Fields would be based upon 'gut feeling' and/or play in practices that none of us has seen. (Getsy and Eberflus must hate what they see in practice since they don't let him throw down field)
which is kind of odd, he threw a dart to DJ to end that game last night
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I just hope he keeps flashing incredible talent twice a years and Bears fans can write it off as bad coaching/an inept organization and the Bears can just keep him as their QB.
There's gotta be something behind an organization who cannot develop a single decent QB in the last 30+ years
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which is kind of odd, he threw a dart to DJ to end that game last night
Right? Hot Take: Maybe the coaches are not very good at their jobs? ;)
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There's gotta be something behind an organization who cannot develop a single decent QB in the last 30+ years
A vast right wing conspiracy?
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Intended Air Yards/Attempt:
Fields = 7.1
Mahomes = 6.8
Goff = 6.7
Russ = 6.7
Burrow = 6.3
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Right? Hot Take: Maybe the coaches are not very good at their jobs? ;)
Why not both?
Fields missed a wide open Mooney downfield in the first half
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Intended Air Yards/Attempt:
Fields = 7.1
Mahomes = 6.8
Goff = 6.7
Russ = 6.7
Burrow = 6.3
I honestly don't know what I'm looking at.
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which is kind of odd, he threw a dart to DJ to end that game last night
The issue is Fields continues to hold the ball way too long and take too many sacks/hits. The screens and quick throws are a way to get the ball out of his hands. Especially against Minnesota, as no team is blitzing more.
Honestly, I get the game plan. Do I wish Getsy had more creativity with it, without question. But as noted earlier, he is an average OC at best.
I think developing a game plan for Fields is not that easy. He's a QB that doesn't see the field very well and struggles to make anticipatory throws. The holding the ball is a killer. Hard to win if your QB is taking 4 to 5 sacks a game.
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I honestly don't know what I'm looking at.
The average distance the ball travels in the air from the line of scrimmage per attempt.
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The average distance the ball travels in the air from the line of scrimmage per attempt.
Interesting.
I would not have guessed that Fields leads the NFL in average yards per attempt. It just feels like Fields/Bears throws way more screens than the average.
Maybe I should shut up and Troy Aikman should stop laughing at the Bears. This takes the wind out of the Justin is not allowed to throw down field critics and torpedoes the 'Fields could be better if allowed to' argument.
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Interesting.
I would not have guessed that Fields leads the NFL in average yards per attempt. It just feels like Fields/Bears throws way more screens than the average.
Maybe I should shut up and Troy Aikman should stop laughing at the Bears. This takes the wind out of the Justin in not allowed to throw down field critics and torpedoes the 'Fields could be better if allowed to' argument.
Oh, Fields definitely doesn't lead the league. He's something like 25th. But he's still ahead of those guys.
I think it just belies the notion that the Bears offense is extraordinarily screen heavy, or that the playcalling is keeping Fields from throwing downfield.
Some other notables:
Watson = 9.2
Stroud = 9.1
Love = 8.9
Hurts = 8.6
Prescott = 8.3
Allen = 8.2
Purdy = 8.1
Lamar = 8.0
Herbert = 7.7
Tua = 7.4
Lawrence = 7.3
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That's fair.
I keep going back and forth on Williams. I'm gonna be real interested in reading about where the big shots have him rated once we get into the offseason.
It's impossible not to love Harrison. It's been a long time since a receiver with his combination of size, speed and skill has been available.
Best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. And beyond the physical tools, he seems like a mature dude and handled himself really well this weekend with the press and has all season.
Stark contrast to someone like Williams who is a wildcard personality/maturity wise.
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Best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. And beyond the physical tools, he seems like a mature dude and handled himself really well this weekend with the press and has all season.
Stark contrast to someone like Williams who is a wildcard personality/maturity wise.
Curious as to why you say that about Williams.
He's never been in trouble, never complained about the pressure and expectations of carrying talent-deficient teams and continued to play this year when he had nothing to gain from it.
I know what some of the criticisms are, and I think they're BS. I think a lot of the so-called maturity issues surrounding Williams would be hailed as the signs of a feisty competitor if they were exhibited by others.
But I don't assume that's what you mean here.
I don't think anyone should care even a little about this, but I do wonder what the reaction would be if Williams showed up to play in an Apple watch and Louis Vuitton cleats, or proudly wore a nickname like "Maserati Marv" (and to be fair, Harrison didn't coin that, but he has embraced it).
None of those things reflect poorly on Harrison, IMO, But I think Williams would get shredded over it.
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Curious as to why you say that about Williams.
He's never been in trouble, never complained about the pressure and expectations of carrying talent-deficient teams and continued to play this year when he had nothing to gain from it.
I know what some of the criticisms are, and I think they're BS. I think a lot of the so-called maturity issues surrounding Williams would be hailed as the signs of a feisty competitor if they were exhibited by others.
But I don't assume that's what you mean here.
I’ve never gotten good vibes from Williams. And it’s not “fiery competitor” stuff at all. Like maybe you call the paint nails that, but that doesn’t bother me.
He’s HORRIBLE with press. Sullen and sulky when they lose, skipping the UCLA presser was childish (see the difference with Harrison on Saturday), he came off terribly in the GQ interview. I think part of that probably comes from his dad, so it may not entirely his fault, but still.
I have a couple close friends that went to USC for undergrad or business school. I’ve been to at least one USC game a season since 2013 and follow them pretty closely so it’s not like I’m some Trojan/Williams hater and I’ve enjoyed watching him/been wowed by him plenty of times. And I have ZERO issue with cocky/arrogant players, I love swagger.
I just don’t see him as a guy who will handle being on a mediocre/bad team (for the first part of his career at least) very well. Could very well be wrong and he may very well show great in the pre draft process
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I’ve never gotten good vibes from Williams. And it’s not “fiery competitor” stuff at all. Like maybe you call the paint nails that, but that doesn’t bother me.
He’s HORRIBLE with press. Sullen and sulky when they lose, skipping the UCLA presser was childish (see the difference with Harrison on Saturday), he came off terribly in the GQ interview. I think part of that probably comes from his dad, so it may not entirely his fault, but still.
I have a couple close friends that went to USC for undergrad or business school. I’ve been to at least one USC game a season since 2013 and follow them pretty closely so it’s not like I’m some Trojan/Williams hater and I’ve enjoyed watching him/been wowed by him plenty of times. And I have ZERO issue with cocky/arrogant players, I love swagger.
I just don’t see him as a guy who will handle being on a mediocre/bad team (for the first part of his career at least) very well. Could very well be wrong and he may very well show great in the pre draft process
That's fair. I just don't see any of these issues being detrimental to his potential success in the NFL and think a lot of the criticism thrown his way (the fingernails, sullen/crying after a loss) would be spun as a positive for other players.
As an NFL front-office, I'd be far more worried about reining in Williams' bad on-field habits than any of his behavior off the field.
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An article in The Athletic quoted sources close to Greg Olsen - which obviously was Olsen himself - saying Olsen would be interested in coaching the Panthers.
If he'd be as tough on Carolina players as he was on the 8-year-old baseball players he coached in the couple games of his I umpired, a bunch of Panthers would quit the team.
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That's fair. I just don't see any of these issues being detrimental to his potential success in the NFL and think a lot of the criticism thrown his way (the fingernails, sullen/crying after a loss) would be spun as a positive for other players.
As an NFL front-office, I'd be far more worried about reining in Williams' bad on-field habits than any of his behavior off the field.
Like any QB, a lot of his potential success will depend on who drafts him and who his coaches are. Looking at the current draft order, I’d be terrified if I were any of the QB prospects. Chicago, Arizona and New England.
Ideally, the Giants would be an ideal spot to play for Brian Daboll, imo.
New England would be fine if they clean house and hire a modern offensive mind.
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I just don’t see him as a guy who will handle being on a mediocre/bad team (for the first part of his career at least) very well. Could very well be wrong and he may very well show great in the pre draft process
If this is true, he is going to flame out no matter what team drafts him because he isn't going to the Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles, Chiefs, etc.
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Like any QB, a lot of his potential success will depend on who drafts him and who his coaches are. Looking at the current draft order, I’d be terrified if I were any of the QB prospects. Chicago, Arizona and New England.
Ideally, the Giants would be an ideal spot to play for Brian Daboll, imo.
New England would be fine if they clean house and hire a modern offensive mind.
I agree with the premise that the coach, where ever he goes, is very important. But the specific teams you named will all have new staffs next year (maybe not NE), so it is too early to name specific teams that are not a good fit.
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An article in The Athletic quoted sources close to Greg Olsen - which obviously was Olsen himself - saying Olsen would be interested in coaching the Panthers.
If he'd be as tough on Carolina players as he was on the 8-year-old baseball players he coached in the couple games of his I umpired, a bunch of Panthers would quit the team.
$$$$$
As the #1 analyst, he is said to make around $10 million a year. If Brady goes to the booth next year as everyone suspects, he will be the #1 guy. Olsen would drop down to around $5 mil as the #2 guy.
He will be set for life for a year or two of work. Tepper will sign him to a long term contract and fire him after a year or two.
To be blunt - Teper is a worse owner than the McCaskey's have been.
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That's fair. I just don't see any of these issues being detrimental to his potential success in the NFL and think a lot of the criticism thrown his way (the fingernails, sullen/crying after a loss) would be spun as a positive for other players.
As an NFL front-office, I'd be far more worried about reining in Williams' bad on-field habits than any of his behavior off the field.
I think it goes hand in hand with my concerns. I'm not gonna speculate that he's "not coachable" or something flashy like that, but I feel he's got some arrogance and stubbornness, that playing for Riley's trainwreck the last 2 years certainly hasn't helped, that will make those habits hard to erase.
If this is true, he is going to flame out no matter what team drafts him because he isn't going to the Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles, Chiefs, etc.
Right, hence some of my trepidation with him as a prospect.
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To be blunt - Teper is a worse owner than the McCaskey's have been.
Ok let's not be mean to Tepper
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$$$$$
As the #1 analyst, he is said to make around $10 million a year. If Brady goes to the booth next year as everyone suspects, he will be the #1 guy. Olsen would drop down to around $5 mil as the #2 guy.
He will be set for life for a year or two of work. Tepper will sign him to a long term contract and fire him after a year or two.
To be blunt - Teper is a worse owner than the McCaskey's have been.
Yeah, I don't think Greg Olsen will be the next Panthers coach. Though stranger things have happened, I guess.
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Yeah, I don't think Greg Olsen will be the next Panthers coach. Though stranger things have happened, I guess.
If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard
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If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard
Damn! Throw in Marcedes, and you got yourself a deal!
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If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard
And ARod could convince James Jones to come back.
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And ARod could convince James Jones to come back.
Maybe take Bakh off the Packers’ hands.
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This is a REALLY good and reasonable tweet/analysis
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1729982394277511545?s=46
He may be a bit higher in Fields than some people here but I think he’s fair and not Bear goggled.
I think the consideration of restarting the rookie QB salary clock is the most compelling piece. If you truly think the Bears are going in the right direction roster wise, and don’t have to blow up EVERYTHING, which I don’t completely disagree with, then it’s probably the right call.
It’s hard, cause I’d LOVE the Bears to have a stud WR1/2 setup with Moore and one of the talented rookies. Maybe trade down from the 5th pick and grab a 2nd so they can get a lineman and a WR like Nabers/Coleman/Odunze
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/UL5WA5yfH0
The image here is evidence, for me, of why these WR are overrated and our OC is terrible
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/UL5WA5yfH0
The image here is evidence, for me, of why these WR are overrated and our OC is terrible
Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?
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Ugh. Seemed like a chill guy.
https://www.nfl.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-bills-lb-von-miller-for-alleged-assault-of-a-pregnant-
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Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?
Because it's a conspiracy against JF1
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Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?
Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?
The reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle, I think, is because they have NFL-caliber receivers in college and are mostly just throwing to wide open guys. They never learn how to 'throw the receiver open'. They don't need to read a defense. They are never rarely going to see guys as open as they did in college.
We saw a couple times Monday when he completed longer passes - to Kmet and on the winning drive to Moore - that they were wide open. Just pitch and catch. Every NFL QB can do that most of the time.
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Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?
If you read the chart Jesmu linked to, one of the things it purports to measure is receiver separation. And, according to the chart, Bears receivers are getting more separation when Bagent plays than Fields.
I suspect that's not true. Just as I suspect that the Giants receiving corps isn't far better at getting open than the Chargers, despite the chart asserting that.
I think the chart is suspect.
The reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle,
I'm not sure I'd say Jalen Hurts, Tua and CJ Stroud are struggling.
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Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?
The reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle, I think, is because they have NFL-caliber receivers in college and are mostly just throwing to wide open guys. They never learn how to 'throw the receiver open'. They don't need to read a defense. They are never rarely going to see guys as open as they did in college.
We saw a couple times Monday when he completed longer passes - to Kmet and on the winning drive to Moore - that they were wide open. Just pitch and catch. Every NFL QB can do that most of the time.
I’ll say this, Ohio State QBs do not get tested in the Big Ten of the last decade. Even the Michigan teams of the last few years let Stroud deal but avoided giving up the quick strikes.
I think Bama QBs get tested a lot more. Bama QBs pre-Hurts and Tua were game managers, good college QBs but hardly dynamic. Saban realized the game had changed so dramatically, he needed to change his philosophy at QB. SEC defense are vastly superior to Big Ten defenses because of the combination of speed and size. They may not always be coached well, but the playmaking is there on those defenses.
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Interesting decision by Seattle not to block Micah Parsons on that final play.
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https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/sports/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-relationship-is-100-percent-fake-paige-vanzant/
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https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/sports/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-relationship-is-100-percent-fake-paige-vanzant/
Their love story is a publicity stunt, but certainly her saying this and telling Swifties to "come at her" isn't one!
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Jets release Adrian Amos
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Jets release Adrian Amos
Was a really good player with marginal athleticism. The athletic decline came quick.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/trevor-lawrence-no-1-seed-is-attainable-for-us
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It appears that Detroit is a wee bit pi$$Ed this week.
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Randall Cobb was a healthy scratch again
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It appears that Detroit is a wee bit pi$$Ed this week.
Probably should have been pissed for 60 minutes instead of the first 15.
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This game could end up being the perfect metaphor for the Lions. Come out hot, create excitement, revert to being the Lions.
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Can’t wait to see what Nathaniel Hackett draws up for the Jets in the 4th quarter against Atlanta
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This game could end up being the perfect metaphor for the Lions. Come out hot, create excitement, revert to being the Lions.
Or maybe not, Eeyore.
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Trevor Siemian has replaced Aaron Rodgers friend, Tim Boyle
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This game could end up being the perfect metaphor for the Lions. Come out hot, create excitement, revert to being the Lions.
Or maybe so. (Or maybe not.)
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Heh. Campbell playing to win, trusting his offense more than his defense. Goff made a play on the move. Kudos.
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Tough loss for the Jets and GM Aaron Rodgers. Allen Lazard did have a target this week
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Heh. Campbell playing to win, trusting his offense more than his defense. Goff made a play on the move. Kudos.
I didn’t watch the whole game, but when I did watch I was impressed with Goff making plays under pressure.
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Campbell put the game in his hands, opting to throw rather than run the ball and bleed timeouts. Goff made two big throws to ice it.
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DO NOT watch replays of the member of the chain gang get his leg broken in the NO-Detroit game. Icky.
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Kind of crazy that it is actually a high likelihood of occurring. But right now, both Philly and Miami are looking like they have a solid shot at playing in the Super Bowl.
If it occurred, it would place Jalen Hurts and Tua, rivals since their days in Alabama, as competing for a championship.
If the NFL is scripted, they'll make sure that happens for the cool story lines.
Then they can set up Rodgers vs. Love for the Super Bowl next year.
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McCaffrey, who “always gets hurt” when he was in Carolina, never gets hurt for SF.
And that’s great. I never wish for injuries, and he’s fun to watch. A hell of a player.
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McCaffrey, who “always gets hurt” when he was in Carolina, never gets hurt for SF.
And that’s great. I never wish for injuries, and he’s fun to watch. A hell of a player.
SF clearly invests in better ankle tape and more listerine.
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Watched a bit of The Dolphin game. Their offense is impressive
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Ejecting Greenlaw for poking a guy who had no business anywhere near him is insane.
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I was skeptical and kind of WTF about his signing. But my god Flacco has been really damn good today. Totally changed their offense
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If Hurts misses time with a concussion, the whole NFC is up for grabs.
Never mind. Hurts returns. Cowboys game next week will be crucial.
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I have to admit that I was surprised when I saw that the 10-1 Eagles were underdogs heading into this home game.
Wow, that was impressive.
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I have to admit that I was surprised when I saw that the 10-1 Eagles were underdogs heading into this home game.
Wow, that was impressive.
They’ve been playing with fire for awhile. Healthy Niners are a different animal.
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Hurts with a beyond terrific game today.
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I was skeptical and kind of WTF about his signing. But my god Flacco has been really damn good today. Totally changed their offense
Makes you wonder why the Jets didn't give him a call. Or anyone really.
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Makes you wonder why the Jets didn't give him a call. Or anyone really.
Rodgers thought Boyle was a better QB.
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Can the NFL give the NFC South's playoff spot to Florida State?
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Rodgers thought Boyle was a better QB.
Honestly, Rodgers would have seen Flacco as a threat and his ego can’t handle that
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Things going great in NY
https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1731741475992412520?t=KlzQHGsYTF1ftMPE186BEw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1731741475992412520?t=KlzQHGsYTF1ftMPE186BEw&s=19)
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Things going great in NY
https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1731741475992412520?t=KlzQHGsYTF1ftMPE186BEw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1731741475992412520?t=KlzQHGsYTF1ftMPE186BEw&s=19)
Who will GM Aaron Rodgers bring in to be the backup next season? Won’t be a draft pick, we know that his ego won’t allow it. Seems like a good spot for Nathan Peterman
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Who will GM Aaron Rodgers bring in to be the backup next season? Won’t be a draft pick, we know that his ego won’t allow it. Seems like a good spot for Nathan Peterman
Does Matt Flynn need to cash some game checks?
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Why isn't Randall Cobb getting a shot at QB
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Browning is a great story.
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Browning is a great story.
I'm old enough to remember when Josh Dobbs was a great story.
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Back up qbs are fascinating. So many have played this year. Such a huge spread in performance. Dobbs was money for about a month. The disasters in New York, New York, New England, Dobbs in Arizona, Bagent showing just a little. Who could have possibly predicted Browning's first half?
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Unfortunate Injury for Trevor Lawrence
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/05/jaguars-monday-night-football-trevor-lawrence-injury-bengals
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For all the teeth-gnashing about how Bryce Young was so small he'd always be hurt, it's big, strong QBs who have gotten smashed-up this season.
Young could get pummeled and sidelined this week, that's the reality. But so could any other QB. You don't have to be under 6-ft tall to have ligaments, tendons, rotator cuffs, bones and brains that can get torn, sprained or broken during an NFL game. Indeed, some bigger QBs use their bodies like battering rams and take far more abuse than smaller guys do.
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For all the teeth-gnashing about how Bryce Young was so small he'd always be hurt, it's big, strong QBs who have gotten smashed-up this season.
Young could get pummeled and sidelined this week, that's the reality. But so could any other QB. You don't have to be under 6-ft tall to have ligaments, tendons, rotator cuffs, bones and brains that can get torn, sprained or broken during an NFL game. Indeed, some bigger QBs use their bodies like battering rams and take far more abuse than smaller guys do.
I smell a rule change coming to protect the QBs even more.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I wasn't outraged by the call on that Mahomes sideline hit. Yes, he was still inbounds by an inch or two, but he had obviously slowed and was obviously stepping out of bounds. I looked at it as "giving himself up" - as if he were sliding.
Talking to the pool reporter, the referee said: "The covering official believed that the defender made late and unnecessary contact on the quarterback. So that was the call for unnecessary roughness."
As an NFL fan who occasionally likes to see offense, I want healthy QBs. That hit was unnecessary and excessive IMHO. I do understand why folks might disagree.
The no-call on the interference ... the only defense is that they simply didn't see it because they weren't in position or just missed the timing of the mugging.
Because you can't seriously look at that play and say, "There wasn't pass interference." If you say that, you don't know the rule and you shouldn't be officiating.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I wasn't outraged by the call on that Mahomes sideline hit. Yes, he was still inbounds by an inch or two, but he had obviously slowed and was obviously stepping out of bounds. I looked at it as "giving himself up" - as if he were sliding.
Talking to the pool reporter, the referee said: "The covering official believed that the defender made late and unnecessary contact on the quarterback. So that was the call for unnecessary roughness."
So in other words, he made up a rule - or made up an interpretation of one. Because by the letter of the rules, the hit was completely legal. I mean, how can a hit be "late" when the runner is still in-bounds and not down?
It was a terrible call. If Mahomes wants to protect himself from that hit, he could either slide or go out of bounds earlier.
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Never said it was a late hit. The call was unnecessary roughness. Given that info, the penalty was justified, hey?
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If Mahomes wants to protect himself from that hit, he could either slide or go out of bounds earlier.
This is the rub for me - can't have it both ways. Calling a late hit there is like spotting the ball where a QB is at the end of the slide rather than the beginning of the sliding motion. It bakes in an extra couple yards for a QB who has turned into a runner that a defense has no way to prevent.
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Never said it was a late hit. The call was unnecessary roughness. Given that info, the penalty was justified, hey?
What's unnecessary about hitting a runner to stop forward progress within the field of play?
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Never said it was a late hit. The call was unnecessary roughness. Given that info, the penalty was justified, hey?
How was it unnecessary? He was a legal runner and in-bounds.
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It's an unnecessary hit until a runner is slowing up to appear to be heading out of bounds, and then turns up the sidelines and gets 20 more yards and the defender is criticized for giving up on a play.
The guy was in bounds. It was as blatant of a missed call as the non-PI was.
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It was right by the first down marker too. Also, I believe Mahomes has used the defensive hesitation to turn up field before. The call was ridiculous.
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Owens played it perfectly and explained why.
1 - Mahomes was right at the first down marker
2 - if Mahomes momentum was stopped before going out, the clock rolls (not that the refs are concerned about that sort of thing)
He didn't go for the head or the legs, didn't lead with his head. It was pretty textbook except that the dude he it was the face of the league
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Owens played it perfectly and explained why.
1 - Mahomes was right at the first down marker
2 - if Mahomes momentum was stopped before going out, the clock rolls (not that the refs are concerned about that sort of thing)
He didn't go for the head or the legs, didn't lead with his head. It was pretty textbook except that the dude he it was the face of the league
Which they weren't a few plays later (or maybe earlier?) in that drive.
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If you watch the replay, you can see that one thing that wasn't gonna happen was Mahomes turning upfield for more yardage. His right toe was an inch from the sideline and his left foot was in the air headed out of bounds. He's not a contortionist. He gave himself up on the play.
I could see the call going either way. As one who roots neither for nor against either KC or GM, I'm OK with unnecessary roughness being called there. I admit that if I were looking at it through green-and-gold glasses, I'd probably have hated it.
But come on ... it is NOTHING like the interference play. That was obvious and blatant, a total mugging that gave the receiver no chance to catch the ball. But the official responsible for the call was either incompetent or chickensh!t.
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Even after the hit both of Mohomes’s feet were in bounds. Giving himself up would’ve been sliding. He was running with the ball in the field of play. It was as clear of a missed call as you can find, just as the PI was. Terry McAulay confirmed.
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If you watch the replay, you can see that one thing that wasn't gonna happen was Mahomes turning upfield for more yardage. His right toe was an inch from the sideline and his left foot was in the air headed out of bounds. He's not a contortionist. He gave himself up on the play.
I could see the call going either way. As one who roots neither for nor against either KC or GM, I'm OK with unnecessary roughness being called there. I admit that if I were looking at it through green-and-gold glasses, I'd probably have hated it.
But come on ... it is NOTHING like the interference play. That was obvious and blatant, a total mugging that gave the receiver no chance to catch the ball. But the official responsible for the call was either incompetent or chickensh!t.
An inch from the sideline is still in bounds. It was an obviously bad call. Both of them were. And it has nothing to do with fandom, which you strangely keep bringing up.
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If you watch the replay, you can see that one thing that wasn't gonna happen was Mahomes turning upfield for more yardage. His right toe was an inch from the sideline and his left foot was in the air headed out of bounds. He's not a contortionist. He gave himself up on the play.
I could see the call going either way. As one who roots neither for nor against either KC or GM, I'm OK with unnecessary roughness being called there. I admit that if I were looking at it through green-and-gold glasses, I'd probably have hated it.
But come on ... it is NOTHING like the interference play. That was obvious and blatant, a total mugging that gave the receiver no chance to catch the ball. But the official responsible for the call was either incompetent or chickensh!t.
that play the PI allegedly occurred during wouldn’t have occurred if they were 15 yards back. If mahomes is worried about getting hurt while being tackled in bounds while going forward he should probably sit out until his next contract so he can get paid more.
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Both were egregious, as was the MVS play with 19 seconds where the clock shouldn't have stopped. Collinsworth's hand wringing over the Hail Mary is a bit much and took away from the end of the game. At the end of the day, the team that deserved to win, did.
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that play the PI allegedly occurred during wouldn’t have occurred if they were 15 yards back. If mahomes is worried about getting hurt while being tackled in bounds while going forward he should probably sit out until his next contract so he can get paid more.
Thats an absurd deduction. That pass was on 1st and 10 from the 33. Without the penalty, it was on 1st and 10 from the 48. Saying the Chiefs wouldn't have run a 30 yard pass from the 48 as opposed to the 33 is batsh**. And saying "allegedly" makes you sound like a hopeless homer. The 15 yarder on Owens was a weak call at best, egregiously bad at worst. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, outside of blind Packers homers and WAGs thinks the PI was even questionable.
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Relax it was a joke
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Relax it was a joke
I mean clearly the second part was, the first didn't really read like it. My B
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https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/sports/ex-jaguars-employee-allegedly-stole-22-million-from-team/amp/
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https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/sports/ex-jaguars-employee-allegedly-stole-22-million-from-team/amp/
Was it Bryce Paup?
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Going to book Sean McDermott for my next corporate speaking gig after he gets fired from the Bills.
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You can’t lose at home back to back weeks against Arizona & New England.
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Midway through the second quarter Zappe has thrown 3 TD passes vs the Steelers and the Pats are up 21-3. What?
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Midway through the second quarter Zappe has thrown 3 TD passes vs the Steelers and the Pats are up 21-3. What?
Mike Tomlin is one of the greatest frauds ever.
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Mike Tomlin is one of the greatest frauds ever.
This is such a hilariously stupid take.
Never had a losing season as a HC, won a SB, made another SB, pair of AFC champ losses. In 16 seasons, only finished outside the top 2 in the AFC North twice. 10 seasons of 10+ wins, looking primed to add another this year.
And he just turned 50 last year.
But yea TOTAL fraud ::)
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This is such a hilariously stupid take.
Never had a losing season as a HC, won a SB, made another SB, pair of AFC champ losses. In 16 seasons, only finished outside the top 2 in the AFC North twice. 10 seasons of 10+ wins, looking primed to add another this year.
And he just turned 50 last year.
But yea TOTAL fraud ::)
Agree. My comment was on the curious first half performance by the Pats and their QB, not a rip on Tomlin. His record speaks for itself. Staying competitive with a declining Rothlesberger and replacement Pickett/Trubisky hasn’t been easy but they still play tough.
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This is such a hilariously stupid take.
Never had a losing season as a HC, won a SB, made another SB, pair of AFC champ losses. In 16 seasons, only finished outside the top 2 in the AFC North twice. 10 seasons of 10+ wins, looking primed to add another this year.
And he just turned 50 last year.
But yea TOTAL fraud ::)
All they do is underperform with him, bad playoff losses, bad regular season losses. Steelers fans generally are more than done with him.
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Tomlin’s last playoff win was the 2016 season. #overrated
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Funny that last year Lovie gifted the Bears the first pick, and this year Trubisky did the same thing.
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Funny that last year Lovie gifted the Bears the first pick, and this year Trubisky did the same thing.
Mitch had a great Justin Fields line tonight.
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MU82, what is your take on Tepper's supposed obsession with Ben Johnson?
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MU82, what is your take on Tepper's supposed obsession with Ben Johnson?
He wants a young, offense-minded coach, and he apparently thinks Johnson would be perfect. He wants someone Bryce Young can related to and who will grow along with Young. I think Tepper also likes that Johnson is NC born and raised and went to UNC.
Whomever Tepper hires will immediately be one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL. For the sake of that person, I hope he has final say on personnel decisions ... and doesn't mind an owner (and an owner's wife) who meddles.
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He wants a young, offense-minded coach, and he apparently thinks Johnson would be perfect. He wants someone Bryce Young can related to and who will grow along with Young. I think Tepper also likes that Johnson is NC born and raised and went to UNC.
Whomever Tepper hires will immediately be one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL. For the sake of that person, I hope he has final say on personnel decisions ... and doesn't mind an owner (and an owner's wife) who meddles.
Maybe get him a pen pal
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39079186/sources-jaguars-planning-trevor-lawrence-start-vs-browns
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Frank Wycheck passes away after a fall at home and hitting his head. Retired at 32 after numerous concussions.
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Frank Wycheck passes away after a fall at home and hitting his head. Retired at 32 after numerous concussions.
Very sad news. Didn’t he throw the Music City Miracle lateral?
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Very sad news. Didn’t he throw the Music City Miracle lateral?
Yes
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I know he needs reps, but might be time to bench Bryce Young.
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I know he needs reps, but might be time to bench Bryce Young.
Yeah - he also needs things to be organized and stable. At this point is he really getting anything out of this? Seems he’s shellshocked and more of the same isn’t going to make the game slow down any sooner for him.
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What’s going on with Young? I’m at the Milwaukee airport and the only game on any tvs here is Lions-Bears.
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What’s going on with Young? I’m at the Milwaukee airport and the only game on any tvs here is Lions-Bears.
Do you remember playing Pac Man? When all of the ghosts arrived at you at the same time? Young looked like a hapless.Pac Man player and the entire Saints.defense were ghosts. Like a 5 person sack leading to a fumble.
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Yeah, he’s so effed. Never saw anything close to this at Bama.
I thought they should have given him the second half off a couple weeks ago. Sounds like they should today, too.
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Jets and Texans playing a barnburner
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Very sad news. Didn’t he throw the Music City Miracle lateral forward pass?
FTFY
RIP tho, far too young.
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Looks like one of those weeks for some playoff contenders
Lions getting muscled by the Bears
Texans getting gouged by the Jets in the 2nd half
Colts getting punked by the Bengals
Jags have given up 300 yards passing to David Bell
Ravens in a battle at home against the Rams
Can’t take a week off against anyone
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If the Vikings win this afternoon, they control their own fate to win the North.
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FTFY
RIP tho, far too young.
Yeah, agree on the term lateral not really being accurate describing that play. I had forgotten that.
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Since the Bears have brought on Phil Snow, they’ve become a top 5 defense.
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If the Vikings win this afternoon, they control their own fate to win the North.
In other words, the Vikings control their own fate to win the North. 😉
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Joe Flacco having an excellent game today versus Jags
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Trash ass Dobbs just got JJ hurt again.
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Packers might f around and win the division the way things are going
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Packers might f around and win the division the way things are going
Packers are in a really great spot where they have an outside shot at the division, or they get the 6 seed and go to Detroit. I’d be surprised if they’re not (at worst) the 6 seed. They’re playing better than anyone of the other contenders for that spot.
It’s crazy (with Seahawks & Vikings losses today), the Bears would be a game out of the 7 seed, and their remaining conference opponents are AZ, ATL, and GB. Packers potentially could be locked into the 6th seed with nothing to play for in Week 18. That 7 seed is going to be a mess to decide.
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Packers are in a really great spot where they have an outside shot at the division, or they get the 6 seed and go to Detroit. I’d be surprised if they’re not (at worst) the 6 seed. They’re playing better than anyone of the other contenders for that spot.
It’s crazy (with Seahawks & Vikings losses today), the Bears would be a game out of the 7 seed, and their remaining conference opponents are AZ, ATL, and GB. Packers potentially could be locked into the 6th seed with nothing to play for in Week 18. That 7 seed is going to be a mess to decide.
Don’t know how the Packers season will finish but being in this position is a great opportunity for the team.
In Favre’s first year, they were 3-6 and were playing for a playoff berth the final week of the season. Didn’t make it but him getting that experience was a plus in a season no one expected them to be in that position.
Nothing is a given week-to-week in this league. Will be fun to watch it play out
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Yup. JJ to the hospital
Josh Dobbs is evil and must be destroyed
Prior to this game it was hyperbolic to call starting him negligent. But now it literally is. KOC should face a lawsuit imo
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Yup. JJ to the hospital
Josh Dobbs is evil and must be destroyed
Prior to this game it was hyperbolic to call starting him negligent. But now it literally is. KOC should face a lawsuit imo
One of your crazier comments.
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One of your crazier comments.
"Gross negligence refers to a person's conduct where an act or failure to act creates an unreasonable risk of harm to another because of the person's failure to exercise slight care or diligence."
Facts.
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"Gross negligence refers to a person's conduct where an act or failure to act creates an unreasonable risk of harm to another because of the person's failure to exercise slight care or diligence."
Facts.
KOC doesn’t make medical decisions.
Fact.
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Am I the only one that is so over Nance and Romo?
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Am I the only one that is so over Nance and Romo?
Larry or Pete?
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Skol, Vikings. Go, Packers. We got ourselves a division race.
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I don't know how Brandon Staley survives this, but I also said that after last year's playoff meltdown.
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There are extenuating circumstances for Minnesota this year but they have an uncanny knack for being the most embarrassing winning team 2 years running. Great ingenuity.
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There are extenuating circumstances for Minnesota this year but they have an uncanny knack for being the most embarrassing winning team 2 years running. Great ingenuity.
Cleveland fans thank them for choosing Doubs over Flacco.
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My biggest pet peeve. Fair catches on kick-offs when one is in the field of play.
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THAT is your biggest pet peeve? Congratulations.
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Hey, Bears fans. Fields for Goff, straight up. What say you?
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Toney better get a new phone number and a new place to live. KC fans will not forgive this one.
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My biggest pet peeve. Fair catches on kick-offs when one is in the field of play.
An examination of NFL injury data has found that punts and kickoffs cause more injuries, and more serious injuries, than other plays, and the league said today that it is concerned about that.
“Between the punt and the kickoff, there’s a disproportionate number of concussions occurring on only a couple plays,” said Jeff Miller, NFL Executive Vice President overseeing Player Health and Safety.
And it’s not just concussions. The NFL also said there are more serious knee injuries, as well as more other lower-body injuries, per play on punts and kickoffs than on other kinds of plays. About 30 percent of all torn ACLs are on special teams plays, the league said, even though those represent only about 17 percent of all plays.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-injury-data-finds-punts-and-kickoffs-are-disproportionately-dangerous
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THAT is your biggest pet peeve? Congratulations.
yeah. I really dont watch as much NFL as the avarge scooper.. When did they start allowing fair catches in the field of play to be the equivalent of a touchback?
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Chiefs have released Toney.
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Toney better get a new phone number and a new place to live. KC fans will not forgive this one.
Mahomes embarrassing himself on the sidelines. Must suck when you don’t get all the calls.
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Mahomes should be fined heavily. Clearly offsides. No question.
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Chiefs have released Toney.
For real. How many more chances?
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Broncos one game back in the AFC West, and Lions/Broncos next week is suddenly a huge game for both teams.
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An examination of NFL injury data has found that punts and kickoffs cause more injuries, and more serious injuries, than other plays, and the league said today that it is concerned about that.
“Between the punt and the kickoff, there’s a disproportionate number of concussions occurring on only a couple plays,” said Jeff Miller, NFL Executive Vice President overseeing Player Health and Safety.
And it’s not just concussions. The NFL also said there are more serious knee injuries, as well as more other lower-body injuries, per play on punts and kickoffs than on other kinds of plays. About 30 percent of all torn ACLs are on special teams plays, the league said, even though those represent only about 17 percent of all plays.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-injury-data-finds-punts-and-kickoffs-are-disproportionately-dangerous
Thanks, so why dont fair catches on.punts get moved to the 20 when they are caught inside the 20?
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Mahomes embarrassing himself on the sidelines. Must suck when you don’t get all the calls.
I respect that he was smart enough to whip his helmet with his left hand, protecting his throwing shoulder. Crash Davis would be proud.
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Do the Chiefs refuse to realize that Toney was lined up offside? Reid postgame said “it’s embarrassing for the league for that to take place”.
WTF is he talking about? I’m all for officials getting criticized when they mess up, but that was 100% a penalty.
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Do the Chiefs refuse to realize that Toney was lined up offside? Reid postgame said “it’s embarrassing for the league for that to take place”.
WTF is he talking about? I’m all for officials getting criticized when they mess up, but that was 100% a penalty.
No question. I have no idea what they would be arguing about.
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They are frustrated and not seeing it clearly.
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Chiefs are the returning Super Bowl winning cry babies...
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So this kicker on Dallas has casually kicked 60 and 59 yrd fg's tonight? TV doesn't give that achievement justice.
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Thanks, so why dont fair catches on.punts get moved to the 20 when they are caught inside the 20?
I would guess it has something to do with kickoffs being a live ball and punts not, unless touched by the receiving team.
A kick returner doesn't have the option not to field the ball if it's in the field of play. A punt returner has the option of letting it go and hoping it bounces into the end zone.
Just speculation, but makes sense to me.
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So this kicker on Dallas has casually kicked 60 and 59 yrd fg's tonight? TV doesn't give that achievement justice.
Did NBC get rid of the 'good from' ticker? He kicked the dick out of those balls
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Enjoyed the Vikings 3-0 win. Old school point total.
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Something unusual happens to CJ Stroud -- he looks like a rookie QB.
Can't do anything vs. the Jets (10-of-23 for 91 yards) ... and leaves late with a concussion, too.
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They are frustrated and not seeing it clearly.
Yep. It will be interesting to see what the NFL does to punish Reid and Mahomes. Fines almost for certain. Suspensions, too? Hard to believe that would happen, but you can't let a guy who's one of the faces of the NFL and a Super Bowl coach just rip officials, especially when the QB and coach are wrong. Mahomes even threatened the official on the field.
OK, so he was "in the moment." But then he also sounded like a turd at his press conference later.
He and other Chiefs also didn't seem to realize that the flag was thrown right away. It's not as if the officials waited to see what the result of the play was and then decided to negate it.
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Brandon Aubrey is a really cool story.
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Yep. It will be interesting to see what the NFL does to punish Reid and Mahomes. Fines almost for certain. Suspensions, too? Hard to believe that would happen, but you can't let a guy who's one of the faces of the NFL and a Super Bowl coach just rip officials, especially when the QB and coach are wrong. Mahomes even threatened the official on the field.
I think this was the culmination of 2 weeks in a row. The refs most likely cost KC the GB game when their WR was clearly mugged and then this happens.
Technically, maybe yes, he was offsides. But. technically, you see DL offside almost every game where they sometimes line up in the neutral zone and it isn't called.
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I think this was the culmination of 2 weeks in a row. The refs most likely cost KC the GB game when their WR was clearly mugged and then this happens.
Technically, maybe yes, he was offsides. But. technically, you see DL offside almost every game where they sometimes line up in the neutral zone and it isn't called.
I just don't buy into getting mad at an obvious call just because sometimes it isn't called the other direction. He was visibly offsides and should have checked with the ref.
Something that is very easy to prevent. It's like when a hold gets called on a Packer and complaining because they never call it on them usually.
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I just don't buy into getting mad at an obvious call just because sometimes it isn't called the other direction. He was visibly offsides and should have checked with the ref.
Something that is very easy to prevent. It's like when a hold gets called on a Packer and complaining because they never call it on them usually.
Goodell has flat out told the refs to cheat against the Packers. That’s a provable fact
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Technically, maybe yes, he was offsides. But. technically, you see DL offside almost every game where they sometimes line up in the neutral zone and it isn't called.
Sorry, sir, but that's a pretty pitiful excuse.
Just line up right.
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Mahomes and Reid can stfu. Rules are rules and its terrific that the official saw the infraction and made the correct call, hey?
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I understand complaining about the missed PI against the Packers, even if KC got two other gift calls on that drive.
They have no right to be upset about the call yesterday.
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Sorry, sir, but that's a pretty pitiful excuse.
Just line up right.
The funny thing is they're not even disputing whether the call was correct. The argument now is "we should have gotten off with a warning."
Reid and Mahomes generally seem like decent guys, but they're coming off very poorly here.
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Sorry, sir, but that's a pretty pitiful excuse.
Just line up right.
Right.
But last week you said the hit on Mahomes was flag-worthy even though he was in-bounds and moving forwards.
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Technically, maybe yes, he was offsides. But. technically, you see DL offside almost every game where they sometimes line up in the neutral zone and it isn't called.
Any ref who doesn’t call offsides when a DL lines up in the neutral zone should be fired. Refs are human and will make mistakes but not calling an obvious penalty “just because” is no bueno.
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mahomey had no problem with the phantom holding call they got giving them last years super bowl
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/sport/holding-call-super-bowl-lvii-chiefs-eagles-spt-intl/index.html#:~:text=The%20officials%20adjudged%20that%20Eagles,essentially%20wrapping%20up%20the%20victory.
but but but...that's different, eyn'a? i can't believe they let mahomey go on that rant looking pretty stupid
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Right.
But last week you said the hit on Mahomes was flag-worthy even though he was in-bounds and moving forwards.
That's a judgment call, which had to be made in real time with two people moving simultaneously. And it was made with the idea that the league desperately wants to protect its quarterbacks. You might not like the call, but it was literally a bang-bang play that required an instant judgment.
This was a dope, standing still, obviously lining up well offside. The dope didn't look where the ball was, didn't look where the center's helmet was, and didn't look toward the nearest official for guidance. He just stood there being a dope.
Despite his whining about how unfair it all was, Reid walked it back today, and admitted that Toney didn't check with the official.
A flag? Toney deserves to get cut.
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mahomey had no problem with the phantom holding call they got giving them last years super bowl
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/sport/holding-call-super-bowl-lvii-chiefs-eagles-spt-intl/index.html#:~:text=The%20officials%20adjudged%20that%20Eagles,essentially%20wrapping%20up%20the%20victory.
but but but...that's different, eyn'a? i can't believe they let mahomey go on that rant looking pretty stupid
Wow
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mahomey had no problem with the phantom holding call they got giving them last years super bowl
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/sport/holding-call-super-bowl-lvii-chiefs-eagles-spt-intl/index.html#:~:text=The%20officials%20adjudged%20that%20Eagles,essentially%20wrapping%20up%20the%20victory.
but but but...that's different, eyn'a? i can't believe they let mahomey go on that rant looking pretty stupid
6 out of 10
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That's a judgment call, which had to be made in real time with two people moving simultaneously. And it was made with the idea that the league desperately wants to protect its quarterbacks. You might not like the call, but it was literally a bang-bang play that required an instant judgment.
This was a dope, standing still, obviously lining up well offside. The dope didn't look where the ball was, didn't look where the center's helmet was, and didn't look toward the nearest official for guidance. He just stood there being a dope.
Despite his whining about how unfair it all was, Reid walked it back today, and admitted that Toney didn't check with the official.
A flag? Toney deserves to get cut.
You defended the call even after seeing it in slow motion.
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Mahomey? Pathetic. But in character.
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You defended the call even after seeing it in slow motion.
Yes I did. I also said I could understand if others didn't believe it was a penalty.
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Yes I did. I also said I could understand if others didn't believe it was a penalty.
It was a bad call. Black and white. Just like the offsides was black and white.
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Mahomey? Pathetic. But in character.
you guys are pathetic...looking for something that ain't there. if it were one of your "friends" nothing would've been made of it
The Urban Dictionary defines homie as: “shortened version of homeboy, homeboy being a close friend.” Having a very similar definition. as the OED, one is able to see how the term “homie” that was used in the past, has evolved into the word that is used by individuals today.
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Lol
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Urban Dictionary?! There’s a reference I haven’t heard since 7th grade.
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I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it again.
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
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It was a bad call. Black and white. Just like the offsides was black and white.
Warms the heart to see you and Lenny agreeing. I’m all about bringing folks together.
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Warms the heart to see you and Lenny agreeing. I’m all about bringing folks together.
You were all alone on that one.
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Lol
some of you guys seem to have a need to be purposely confrontational when none is really needed.
oh, btw, tell your buddy wades he supports an anti-Semitic organization-might want to rethink his faux virtue signaling-that's kinda old school now. the mask has been pulled off that criminal scam
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some of you guys seem to have a need to be purposely confrontational when none is really needed.
oh, btw, tell your buddy wades he supports an anti-Semitic organization-might want to rethink his faux virtue signaling-that's kinda old school now. the mask has been pulled off that criminal scam
8 out of 10
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What a catastrophe by Miami.
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Are the Bears back to being the 5th pick in the draft?
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What a catastrophe by Miami.
Yeppppp. They're fun, but they're not among the Super Bowl class. And that's not just because of that debacle. They still haven't beaten anyone and still don't really look like a team that can.
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Yeppppp. They're fun, but they're not among the Super Bowl class. And that's not just because of that debacle. They still haven't beaten anyone and still don't really look like a team that can.
They were bad all night but Tennessee handed them a 14 point lead with 4:30 left. And they were at home. And playing against a rookie QB. They give up 2 TDs and 2 point conversion in 3 minutes and can’t even get into FG range in the final minute and a half. Brutal.
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I guess Baltimore is the best team in the AFC, but I can see some team coming out of left field. Cleveland anyone?
NFC will be one of three teams and the Cowboys will advance to their first conference championship in almost 30 years.
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I guess Baltimore is the best team in the AFC, but I can see some team coming out of left field. Cleveland anyone?
NFC will be one of three teams and the Cowboys will advance to their first conference championship in almost 30 years.
Why I am I reading this in the voice of Freeway?
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They were bad all night but Tennessee handed them a 14 point lead with 4:30 left. And they were at home. And playing against a rookie QB. They give up 2 TDs and 2 point conversion in 3 minutes and can’t even get into FG range in the final minute and a half. Brutal.
Good synopsis, Lenny. The Dolphins almost had to try to lose that game. That they did was brutal - and comical.
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some of you guys seem to have a need to be purposely confrontational when none is really needed.
oh, btw, tell your buddy wades he supports an anti-Semitic organization-might want to rethink his faux virtue signaling-that's kinda old school now. the mask has been pulled off that criminal scam
Aw how cute.
The fact that you STILL don't understand says a lot more about you than anything else. Nothing that we didn't already know about you, of course.
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Aw how cute.
The fact that you STILL don't understand says a lot more about you than anything else. Nothing that we didn't already know about you, of course.
I mean, he worships a false god who dines with people that want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. So he's a perfect spokesman for Judaism. roQQet also was so desperate that he put politics in the NFL thread.
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I mean, he worships a false god who dines with people that want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. So he's a perfect spokesman for Judaism. roQQet also was so desperate that he put politics in the NFL thread.
Rocket's a nut job that genuinely needs help.
But you calling out others bringing politics into threads is...something. Given that you do it more than anyone else on Scoop, maybe leave that for others where it wouldn't be so hypocritical.
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some of you guys seem to have a need to be purposely confrontational when none is really needed.
oh, btw, tell your buddy wades he supports an anti-Semitic organization-might want to rethink his faux virtue signaling-that's kinda old school now. the mask has been pulled off that criminal scam
"Hey guys, it's totally ok for me to make a questionable racial reference.
And also, that black oganization is totally bad."
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Rocket's a nut job that genuinely needs help.
But you calling out others bringing politics into threads is...something. Given that you do it more than anyone else on Scoop, maybe leave that for others where it wouldn't be so hypocritical.
Just about the only time I bring politics into a thread is after others do or when a thread has clearly been established as a "political thread," such as the current Everyone Who Doesn't Agree With Doc & Douchey Is An Antisemite thread.
For example, I doubt you'll find examples of me starting political conversations in this 2023-24 NFL Thread.
But duly noted, and we do agree about your first sentence.
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"Hey guys, it's totally ok for me to make a questionable racial reference.
And also, that black oganization is totally bad."
what's the "questionable racial reference"?? homey? if that's "racist" you guys are the ones who need help
never said "that black organization" that wades supports is "totally bad" just that it's a big scam, cheating innocent people out of money they promised and they're anti-Semitic
and WB, i got help so i'm all good now
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never said "that black organization" that wades supports is "totally bad" just that it's a big scam, cheating innocent people out of money they promised and they're anti-Semitic
This was debunked months ago. Why do you keep repeating it?
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So, back to the NFL. Where do the Bears go with JF? Personally, he is getting better but still has obvious issues (ball security, missing open receivers and quick decision making). Vikings game, not so good but very good against the Lions.
Feels like a QB you can win with but maybe not because of, but that will still make him a $40M per year player. Hitting the reset button on the salary with a highly rated QB in the draft is very tempting. So does loading up on other quality players besides the QB.
For me, Eberflus is not a big decision, he can be replaced anytime if he is not the HC to make them a contender. The QB position is the key decision for the Bears short term.
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Would you trade Fields for Love, straight up? Fields for Goff? Look around the league. First of all, all of the back ups make this difficult, but how many QB1s would you honestly take over Fields straight up? I think he is in the middle third of QBs with a better chance than most to move up. Or, the Lions just made him look that way.
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This was debunked months ago. Why do you keep repeating it?
He’s not very bright
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Would you trade Fields for Love, straight up? Fields for Goff? Look around the league. First of all, all of the back ups make this difficult, but how many QB1s would you honestly take over Fields straight up? I think he is in the middle third of QBs with a better chance than most to move up. Or, the Lions just made him look that way.
Its very intriguing. Ive seen a couple of threads recently that with emergence of the Bears defense, Poles maneuvering has actually been very good, save for the Claypool disaster. The Panthers being unexpectedly bad was fortunate, but still. If they stay with Fields and trade out of #1 to one of the QB desperate teams...He could have turned the 2023 #1 into DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, plus potentially another first round pick in both 24 and 25 and you'd think they'd want an impact player along with picks for #1.
I'm open to a variety of options, and not married to Fields, but if Fields has another few good games, I'd want to jettison Getsy and trade out of #1 and keep the rebuild going strong.
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Would you trade Fields for Love, straight up? Fields for Goff? Look around the league. First of all, all of the back ups make this difficult, but how many QB1s would you honestly take over Fields straight up? I think he is in the middle third of QBs with a better chance than most to move up. Or, the Lions just made him look that way.
Great questions. I do think Fields has moved into the 13-20 best QBs. As for moving up the list, not sure at this point in his career many QBs make big improvements (started about 40 NFL games?). Incremental sure, but I don't see him as a top 10 guy over a full season.
I wouldn't trade him for Goff. I think I would for Love. He seems like a better passer and I don't know how long Fields will be a great runner. But I'd rather pick a QB than take Love.
Maybe the answer is "depends on the trade market for Fields"?
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Would you trade Fields for Love, straight up? Fields for Goff? Look around the league. First of all, all of the back ups make this difficult, but how many QB1s would you honestly take over Fields straight up? I think he is in the middle third of QBs with a better chance than most to move up. Or, the Lions just made him look that way.
If I'm a Bears fan? I'd take Love for him, I wouldn't take Goff, but that's because of age and injury history. If I had a Super Bowl contender going into next year, I'd take Goff and Love over Fields.
But I wouldn't want any of those 3 as my starting QB for a team that hopes to win a SB.
I think Love is a little better than Fields. But I think both guys will give you a 3-5 game stretch every year where you think, "Wow, we can win with this guy." And the rest of the year stink out loud. Best thing to do is to move on from those guys.
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I guess Baltimore is the best team in the AFC, but I can see some team coming out of left field. Cleveland anyone?
NFC will be one of three teams and the Cowboys will advance to their first conference championship in almost 30 years.
If the playoffs started today, yes. But with the ebbs and flows, mostly due to injuries, a lot can change before the playoffs.
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I'm open to a variety of options, and not married to Fields, but if Fields has another few good games, I'd want to jettison Getsy and trade out of #1 and keep the rebuild going strong.
The Browns and Packer games are the bellwether games for me. Even in winning at the Vikings, Fields looked rough. No TDs and a horrible turnover (1 of 2).
Agreed, Getsy has to go. He is in way over his head as an NFL OC.
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Wow, lot of smoke with Belichick and the Pats parting ways after this season.
Die young or live long enough to become the villain ineffectual coach
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Its very intriguing. Ive seen a couple of threads recently that with emergence of the Bears defense, Poles maneuvering has actually been very good, save for the Claypool disaster. The Panthers being unexpectedly bad was fortunate, but still. If they stay with Fields and trade out of #1 to one of the QB desperate teams...He could have turned the 2023 #1 into DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, plus potentially another first round pick in both 24 and 25 and you'd think they'd want an impact player along with picks for #1.
I'm open to a variety of options, and not married to Fields, but if Fields has another few good games, I'd want to jettison Getsy and trade out of #1 and keep the rebuild going strong.
Would you even consider holding on to the #1 and drafting Marvin Harrison Jr.?
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IMO - roll with Justin for 1 more year (assuming he doesn't try to hold out for long contract) and don't pick up his 5th year option.
Trade down in the draft once or twice and load the team with more picks/depth.
Find out how much another team might give for Fields (draft picks or otherwise).
Take a QB at any point in the draft this year other than 1/2.
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What a catastrophe by Miami.
But there are a lot of these catastrophes every year. That is the.NFL. REeally bad teams win. Really good teams lose.
The way of the world.
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IMO - roll with Justin for 1 more year (assuming he doesn't try to hold out for long contract) and don't pick up his 5th year option.
Trade down in the draft once or twice and load the team with more picks/depth.
Find out how much another team might give for Fields (draft picks or otherwise).
Take a QB at any point in the draft this year other than 1/2.
I follow the logic. I was surprised they didn't take a QB last draft. IMO the Bears have the luxury of taking a QB in the top 10 but not #1 and keep Fields. But, if your scouts agree that Williams is the generational talent that most think he is, you have to pick him.
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But there are a lot of these catastrophes every year. That is the.NFL. REeally bad teams win. Really good teams lose.
The way of the world.
Yeah, but really good teams don’t blow 14 point in the last 4 minutes at home to a bad team being led by a rookie QB.
Which prove Miami is not a really good team.
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Yeah, but really good teams don’t blow 14 point in the last 4 minutes at home to a bad team being led by a rookie QB.
Which prove Miami is not a really good team.
Those kind of things happen almost every year. It’s part of the game.
That’s why GBs loss last night is not the end of the world.
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Those kind of things happen almost every year. It’s part of the game.
That’s why GBs loss last night is not the end of the world.
Please give me examples of late in the season division leading teams blowing 14 point leads in the last 4 minutes at home to a bottom dweller led by a rookie QB and losing the game in regulation. I’d guess it almost never happens.
You’ve already backtracked from these kind of catastrophes happen frequently every year to one happens almost every year. I think you can go even further.
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Would you even consider holding on to the #1 and drafting Marvin Harrison Jr.?
#1 overall? No way. If you're not taking Williams or Maye, there is too much hype and demand to hold onto that pick any not pick them, leaving too much on the table. Moving down to to 3/4/5 to try and have a shot at him is a different story.
IMO - roll with Justin for 1 more year (assuming he doesn't try to hold out for long contract) and don't pick up his 5th year option.
Trade down in the draft once or twice and load the team with more picks/depth.
Find out how much another team might give for Fields (draft picks or otherwise).
Take a QB at any point in the draft this year other than 1/2.
This is where I'm at too. Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd. Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers
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This is where I'm at too. Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd. Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers
I’m no NFL scout, and I’ve only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed “eye test” sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year’s class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?
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no eye tests allowed on Scoop, only analytics...
I’m no NFL scout, and I’ve only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed “eye test” sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year’s class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?
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I’m no NFL scout, and I’ve only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed “eye test” sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year’s class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?
Late first, early to mid second Ive seen. I think there is a bit of concern about durability and how he does progression reads, but I think he's very intriguing. Some of the concerns are similar to Fields, but I think Daniels is better in the pocket than Fields was at this stage but he's not the elite athlete Fields is and doesn't have the same arm strength (not that he has a noodle at all, just not a top 5 type cannon).
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Late first, early to mid second Ive seen. I think there is a bit of concern about durability and how he does progression reads, but I think he's very intriguing. Some of the concerns are similar to Fields, but I think Daniels is better in the pocket than Fields was at this stage but he's not the elite athlete Fields is and doesn't have the same arm strength (not that he has a noodle at all, just not a top 5 type cannon).
Bet he gets picked in the first round. I’ll be surprised if he slips out unless he really bombs in the pre-draft process. The talent is too tantalizing for someone not to take a flyer on him late in the first round at the least.
Minnesota, Seattle, Tampa, NO, Atlanta and Pittsburgh. One of those teams is going to make the playoffs and be in that spot in the first round where you can make that pick if you fall in love with him
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If Daniels is available for the Panthers with the first pick of the 2nd round, it would be very tempting.
But I think he'll be lonnnnnnng gone by then. I've seen mocks with him as high as 2nd overall. (I think it was CBS Sports?) So who knows.
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If Daniels is available for the Panthers with the first pick of the 2nd round, it would be very tempting.
But I think he'll be lonnnnnnng gone by then. I've seen mocks with him as high as 2nd overall. (I think it was CBS Sports?) So who knows.
My gut tells me he’s one of the top-3 QBs picked
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My gut tells me he’s one of the top-3 QBs picked
What no sponsorship for your gut?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFDgkc6XIAAxaIc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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What no sponsorship for your gut?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFDgkc6XIAAxaIc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Great reference.
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Jags have a tough home game coming up on Sunday versus Ravens.
Trevor needs to finish up the season strong to stay atop AFC South
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#1 overall? No way. If you're not taking Williams or Maye, there is too much hype and demand to hold onto that pick any not pick them, leaving too much on the table. Moving down to to 3/4/5 to try and have a shot at him is a different story.
This is where I'm at too. Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd. Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers
Especially since Nabers is also an option a bit later and I think he's gonna be nearly as good
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Someone will take Daniels in the top 10.
Part of me would be intrigued if the Bears picked up the 5th year option, drafted MHJ and Bowers with their two first round picks, and then drafted someone like McCarthy (or take your pick) in round 2.
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I don't know how Brandon Staley survives this, but I also said that after last year's playoff meltdown.
Bump.
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Bump.
There’s no way he’s employed 24 hours from now.
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There’s no way he’s employed 24 hours from now.
Yeah, when I posted that last week I didn't know they were on a short week. Might explain why he's still around.
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If a coach was ever going to be fired at halftime, this is the time & place to do it.
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https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19
No knock on Fields at all. Let’s assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can’t. The elite can.
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I'm shocked Staley is still employed.
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https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19
No knock on Fields at all. Let’s assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can’t. The elite can.
This is my thought as well. Unless you are sure that Fields is your long-term QB and that he is better than Williams or Maye, you'd be better off drafting one of those two, trading Fields for whatever you can get, and using your other first-round pick to help the new QB.
Otherwise, you have to make a financial commitment to Fields (even if it's only the 5th-year option) and you'll be setting the franchise back if you're wrong about him.
I don't know how anybody can objectively look at Fields' body of work and say, "Yep, he's our star for the next decade." But who knows ... maybe he'll be just that.
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https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19
No knock on Fields at all. Let’s assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can’t. The elite can.
He is correct.
I'd make a minor argument that Fields will not get $50M but $40M is possible.
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I don't know how anybody can objectively look at Fields' body of work and say, "Yep, he's our star for the next decade." But who knows ... maybe he'll be just that.
There in lies the whole conundrum; Field's shows you enough to think he is very good to great but it is not close to consistent. Just look at his last two games. Vikings - stunk, Lions - very good.
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I'm shocked Staley is still employed.
Not anymore
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Not anymore
And the GM that hired is out as well.
Tom Telesco's three hires:
Mike McCoy
Anthony Lynn
Brandon Staley
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Frank Reich is available!
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I think Luke Getsy is ready to be a HC. I hope Poles puts in a good word for him at any of the openings. ;D
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Absolutely incredible touchdown by Higgins
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Quite the loophole:
It’s illegal to run into the punt returner but perfectly legal to throw the returners teammate into him.
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sCOLE
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The offensive offside call against the Broncos was interesting.
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Indeed
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I don't get the NFL Network so I didn't watch any of the games yesterday.
But looking at the box score, I guess Goff isn't garbage any more and Payton's genius certificate expired (or at least was paused)?
It would seem the Lions kicked Denver's butt up and down the field and in every way imaginable.
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I don't get the NFL Network so I didn't watch any of the games yesterday.
But looking at the box score, I guess Goff isn't garbage any more and Payton's genius certificate expired (or at least was paused)?
The offense was humming for Detroit yetserday. Scored TDs on 4 straight drives. Ran well and play action was effective.
Defensively, the secondary largely held up. Russ was largely trash
It would seem the Lions kicked Denver's butt up and down the field and in every way imaginable.
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Buyer beware on George Pickens when the Steelers shop him this offseason.
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The Lions bounced back well. They had their starting offensive line together for the 5th time all season and it showed up in the running game. Two new starters in the secondary played like upgrades. No turnovers. They have thrived in prime time this season.
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Gardner Minshew is a strong second string quarterback.
https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/gardner-minshew-shines-colts-massive-win-steelers
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Ridiculous that the Titans wear Houston Oilers throwbacks.
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Jets have 4 yards of offense at half despite Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb being active
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Jets have 4 yards of offense at half despite Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb being active
Did they get it all on one play? :o
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Ridiculous that the Titans wear Houston Oilers throwbacks.
Agreed.
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Montez Sweat has been awesome. I was way off on the value of this trade, he’s been dominating since coming to Chicago.
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Montez Sweat has been awesome. I was way off on the value of this trade, he’s been dominating since coming to Chicago.
Terrible news for White Trash
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I’d be good if every team in the NFL wore the Oilers uniforms. They are AWESOME.
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That loss probably cost Arthur Smith his job.
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Bears playing chess
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Man, Jets ended up with 103 yards
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Man, Jets ended up with 103 yards
Rodgers bailed out with the loss
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Joe Barry Carroll musta called Flus to give advice. Cover the TE with a defensive lineman. Trust me. It’ll work.
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Rodgers bailed out with the loss
A summer of “I would have been able to come back” will be great
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That loss probably cost Arthur Smith his job.
Panthers-Falcons wasn’t easy to watch but I somehow did.
Atlanta was killed by a Ridder interception near the goal line, though one could argue that play never shoulda been called.
Bryce Young was actually pretty good today, especially on the winning drive.
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Bears playing chess
Justin Fields has to go. His body language is terrible - no leadership, no ability to inspire. Yes he has some great athleticism that he sometimes puts to use but the guy simply doesn't have the fortitude to be a winner at this level.
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Not what was being said a week ago.
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Ridiculous that the Titans wear Houston Oilers throwbacks.
Especially against the Houston Texans. That was making my head hurt.
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Justin Fields has to go. His body language is terrible - no leadership, no ability to inspire. Yes he has some great athleticism that he sometimes puts to use but the guy simply doesn't have the fortitude to be a winner at this level.
JF1 being the future of the Bears? Doubtful.
But stuff like the bolded is just meatball garbage.
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That loss probably cost Arthur Smith his job.
Let’s hope so
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Terrible news for White Trash
He has been more productive than I thought he would. He is living up to his contract.
I still think they gave up too much based upon past production and age. Still think a 3rd was more appropriate especially looking at where the Bears are in the rebuild. He may not be a starter or Bear when they get back to the playoffs.
But hey, if this was considered one of Poles worst deals, I'd be very happy.
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Not what was being said a week ago.
It was 2 weeks ago. Vikings - crap, Lions - very good, Browns - crap. :(
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JF1 being the future of the Bears? Doubtful.
But stuff like the bolded is just meatball garbage.
He's not a real Grabowski.
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Nobody quits faster than the Dallas Cowboys
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That loss probably cost Arthur Smith his job.
Are we sure anyone actually saw the game?
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Are we sure anyone actually saw the game?
Present!
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Were you the fan at the game?
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Is this one of the signs of the end of the world? Next week Bears fans a cheering for the Packers. :o
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Were you the fan at the game?
OH HELL NO. My son actually texted me that there were tickets available on StubHub for 75 cents. I said that if the Panthers paid me $75 to go, I'd have turned them down.
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Jags have room for improvement .
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Panthers-Falcons wasn’t easy to watch but I somehow did.
Atlanta was killed by a Ridder interception near the goal line, though one could argue that play never shoulda been called.
Bryce Young was actually pretty good today, especially on the winning drive.
Young looked very good at times today. He dis exactly what was required for that win. Good job Panthers line for giving him some protection.
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Young looked very good at times today. He dis exactly what was required for that win. Good job Panthers line for giving him some protection.
9 points isn’t going to win a whole lot of games, but I guess…
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9 points isn’t going to win a whole lot of games, but I guess…
That sums up this season for the Panthers.
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Urban Meyer made big mistake trading Gardner Minshew . Would have retained a competent back up QB.
Lawrence got concussion on last play of game . Now jags have inexperienced back up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/trevor-lawrence-in-concussion-protocol
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The quality of back up quarterback play has been a common theme across the NFL this season. There aren't many good ones. And some (coughJoshDobbs) have a very brief shelf life. Whoda thunk Joe Flacco was going to be a hero for a playoff team in 23-24?
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9 points isn’t going to win a whole lot of games, but I guess…
I don't know if Young will ever be good or not, but he hasn't had much of a chance to show it either way.
His #1 receiver is 33-year-old possession guy who the Vikings didn't want. His #2 receiver is ... Jonathan Mingo?
His TE is out for the season with amnesia. His top RB is Chuba Hubbard. His offensive line is one of the league's worst. And play-calling duties have yo-yo'd between coaches throughout the season.
Reminiscent of Lawrence's first season, but worse.
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I don't know if Young will ever be good or not, but he hasn't had much of a chance to show it either way.
His #1 receiver is 33-year-old possession guy who the Vikings didn't want. His #2 receiver is ... Jonathan Mingo?
His TE is out for the season with amnesia. His top RB is Chuba Hubbard. His offensive line is one of the league's worst. And play-calling duties have yo-yo'd between coaches throughout the season.
Reminiscent of Lawrence's first season, but worse.
amnesia?
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amnesia?
Yes, he’s having memory issues after too many concussions
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Yes, he’s having memory issues after too many concussions
huh, seems bad
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amnesia?
He's been diagnosed with post-traumatic amnesia.
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Ridiculous that the Titans wear Houston Oilers throwbacks.
they were the Tennessee Oilers for a few years after the move. not ridiculous
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they were the Tennessee Oilers for a few years after the move. not ridiculous
It's pretty ridiculous given the circumstances of their move from Houston to Nashville.
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they were the Tennessee Oilers for a few years after the move. not ridiculous
It is absolutely ridiculous. They were the Oilers for two seasons, one of which was played in Memphis.
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Okay, so they were the Tennessee Oilers for two years and one was played in Memphis while a stadium was built. How is that not a throwback uniform then? ;D
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Ridiculously great catch by JSN.
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Bucs season moving in right direction
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-offense-coming-together-right-time-week-15-2023
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Matt Patricia still doing his best to keep the Lions from clinching a playoff spot.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39143907/nfl-running-backs-frank-gore-rb-49ers-jets
Fantastic article
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You can have Ben Johnson.... for $15 million per. Wow. For someone who has never been a head coach anywhere and.nobody had heard of 3 years ago. Who ponies up? And what does that do to the coaching market this offseason?
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You can have Ben Johnson.... for $15 million per. Wow. For someone who has never been a head coach anywhere and.nobody had heard of 3 years ago. Who ponies up? And what does that do to the coaching market this offseason?
An ego even bigger than Josh McDaniel?
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You can have Ben Johnson.... for $15 million per. Wow. For someone who has never been a head coach anywhere and.nobody had heard of 3 years ago. Who ponies up? And what does that do to the coaching market this offseason?
Tepper literally doesn't give a sh!t about money. So if that's Ben Johnson's price and if Tepper wants him ... welcome to your new Panthers coach.
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Tepper literally doesn't give a sh!t about money. So if that's Ben Johnson's price and if Tepper wants him ... welcome to your new Panthers coach.
The “great man” theory of coaching rarely works.
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Agreed. But that is always the dream.
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Agreed. But that is always the dream.
Cause hiring one guy is easier than building a competent organization from the top down.
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The “great man” theory of coaching rarely works.
Totally agree.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-insider-proposes-mike-tomlin-trade
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1987/draft.htm
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1987/draft.htm
Worst GB draft ever?
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Worst GB draft ever?
Pretty close. Only pick with remembering is Johnny Holland, who had a nice, but completely serviceable career as a player. Won a ring on the '96 staff.
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So on NBC they were talking about who the Chargers should hire as their GM, and Tony Dungy mentions Bill Polian. Yeah…81 year old Bill Polian who last worked in the league in 2011 and thinks Lamar Jackson should have been a wide receiver. Great thought Tony. 🙄🙄🙄
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So on NBC they were talking about who the Chargers should hire as their GM, and Tony Dungy mentions Bill Polian. Yeah…81 year old Bill Polian who last worked in the league in 2011 and thinks Lamar Jackson should have been a wide receiver. Great thought Tony. 🙄🙄🙄
Tony Dungy hasn't been right about just about anything in the past 15 years
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So on NBC they were talking about who the Chargers should hire as their GM, and Tony Dungy mentions Bill Polian. Yeah…81 year old Bill Polian who last worked in the league in 2011 and thinks Lamar Jackson should have been a wide receiver. Great thought Tony. 🙄🙄🙄
Out of touch studio commentator who likely has very little correspondence with NFL front offices anymore picks his last GM from when he was still involved in the actual day to day of an NFL team...it tracks.
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Giff Smith looks like, and his name sounds like, an auto generated Madden coach.
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From The Athletic:
Austin Karp, the ratings expert from Sports Business Journal, and Anthony Crupi, the viewership expert from Sportico, passed along some updated viewership numbers: NFL games are averaging 17.48 million viewers this season across TV and digital platforms excluding international games. That’s about an 8 percent year-over-year increase from this time last year. “Monday Night Football” is up 24 percent over last year (a direct result of more games on ABC) and Amazon is up 23 percent. NBC is averaging 21.8 million viewers — the best “Sunday Night Football” viewership number at this point since 2015. (All sports have gotten a boost from better accounting for out-of-home viewership in places like bars and restaurants and viewing parties.) What’s worth noting, as Crupi points out, is an NFL viewership increase is an impressive lift given there is an overall 8 percent decline in U.S. TV usage this fall.
As Douchey predicted, the NFL is doomed.
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Heisey is the George Costanza of predictions. It's best to do the opposite.
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Heisey is the George Costanza of predictions. It's best to do the opposite.
I'm already pissed at myself for not investing in DIS on Sept. 8, when he derisively challenged people to buy it. It's up 12% since then, almost double SPY.
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I'm already pissed at myself for not investing in DIS on Sept. 8, when he derisively challenged people to buy it. It's up 12% since then, almost double SPY.
I put my son’s college fund in Harvard LEAPs (had to go to the private back channels to find a market)
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It’s time to give Heisy a break. We’ve been pretty tough on him. Maybe we should start a list of things he has gotten right.
I’ll start:
1) Nope, I got nothin’. Someone help me out.
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He made the right call on AAPL a few years back …..
Oh, nevermind.
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Everyone is driving electric cars.
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Jags have Lawrence available for Big Game with Bucs. Both teams fighting to stay atop their respective divisions.
https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2023/12/23/24013495/jaguars-trevor-lawrence-clears-concussion-protocols
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JJ reminding everyone hes still the best receiver in the league
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He is very good.
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Lions=Last year Vikings
Elite offense with weapons everywhere
But a D that is highly likely to result in 1 playoff game and season over
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Lions=Last year Vikings
Elite offense with weapons everywhere
But a D that is highly likely to result in 1 playoff game and season over
They need a complement to Hutchinson to rush the QB
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Lions=Last year Vikings
Elite offense with weapons everywhere
But a D that is highly likely to result in 1 playoff game and season over
Preach.
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It’s amazing what Flacco is doing. One could argue he should be Comeback Player of the Year.
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It’s amazing what Flacco is doing. One could argue he should be Comeback Player of the Year.
Flacco in the running with Baker Mayfield
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Down to wire in Mpls. Vikes will choke it away.
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Congrats to the Lions and Merry Christmas, Tower! Division champs!
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Merry Christmas to you, Rico. It is nice. Still need a playoff win. Stafford vs. Detroit?
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I am genuinely curious what Nick Mullens current wonderlic score would be.
Do a side by side brain scan of Mullens and Antonio Brown and I’m guessing Brown comes back more in tact.
I’ve seen more stupid throws/decisions by this guy in two weeks than I have by every other QB this year.
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(Forest Gump voice) Back up quarterback is like a box of chocolates.
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(Forest Gump voice) Back up quarterback is like a box of chocolates.
What about the back up to the back up?
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Exactly. Mullens made some really good plays. 4th (?) QB to start for Minnesota this season. Kudos to the coaching staff and defense for getting this far.
Hockenson was clearly his safety blanket.
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I'm already pissed at myself for not investing in DIS on Sept. 8, when he derisively challenged people to buy it. It's up 12% since then, almost double SPY.
Yeah, it you timed things perfectly as a trader (not investor) you can pick a period over which DIS has outperformed the market. That’s true about almost any stock.
If you owned it on Jan 1 and held, it’s up 5.38 this year vs the S+Ps gain of more than 24%. Serious underperformance.
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Jacksonville laying an egg. Trying to get another home playoff game for all 76 Jaguar fans before moving to London but leaving the door open for Indy and Houston
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and Flacco has not had the opportunity to against a JBC defense...
It’s amazing what Flacco is doing. One could argue he should be Comeback Player of the Year.
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Lions Fans with a well deserved NFC North title after all these years.
Need to keep their momentum going the next two games to secure high seeding.
Would love to see a Lions Packers Playoff game
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Mike Evans quietly having a Hall of Fame career . Recording stays in terms of consecutive 1000 yard seasons and 12 touchdown seasons that only Hall of Famers have recorded.
Had two touchdowns among his seven receptions in todays Buc win.
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I am genuinely curious what Nick Mullens current wonderlic score would be.
Do a side by side brain scan of Mullens and Antonio Brown and I’m guessing Brown comes back more in tact.
I’ve seen more stupid throws/decisions by this guy in two weeks than I have by every other QB this year.
This dude is addicted to psychoanalyzing people he’s never met.
It’s sports. Relax and enjoy them. Your hyperbole is insane.
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Mike Evans quietly having a Hall of Fame career . Recording stays in terms of consecutive 1000 yard seasons and 12 touchdown seasons that only Hall of Famers have recorded.
He's not a quiet surprise. Everybody who knows even a little bit about the NFL knows that Evans is a great WR, and a likely Hall of Famer.
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Mile High Meltdown
https://nypost.com/2023/12/24/sports/patriots-score-two-touchdowns-in-8-seconds-after-broncos-kickoff-blunder/amp/
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Dan Campbell is Lions Santa
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/25/dan-campbell-gave-a-fiery-postgame-speech-after-the-lions-secured-the-nfc-north-title
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That was a bad 12 seconds for Mahomes.
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That was a bad 12 seconds for Mahomes.
Can Raiders take advantage of good fortune and hold lead in second half ?
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Hard to win without good WRs.
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Hard to win without good WRs.
True, but Mahomes has won a lot of games with ordinary ones. There was a revolving door of WRs at NE during Brady’s career.
Something is off with Patrick. Wonder if he has an injury we’re not aware of.
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True, but Mahomes has won a lot of games with ordinary ones. There was a revolving door of WRs at NE during Brady’s career.
Something is off with Patrick. Wonder if he has an injury we’re not aware of.
Well, he looked pretty good on that drive - vintage! If they get the ball back…
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If the Raiders win the AFC West (that scenario isn’t as crazy as it sounds), Pierce should be Coach of the Year.
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Excellent win for Raiders .
Chiefs will be there when it counts in Super Bowl
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Excellent win for Raiders .
Chiefs will be there when it counts in Super Bowl
As spectators watching Miami or Baltimore?
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The Chiefs are going to find available wide receivers that can catch the ball in the next two weeks?
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Ummmm, the Ravens against the top teams in the NFC? Ouch
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Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?
Smells like collusion
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Injuries. How many games has he missed? Not the case this season.
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Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?
Smells like collusion
I'm not sure it's that simple. The Ravens placed a tag on him and I believe they were looking for multiple first round draft picks. That coupled with Lamar wanting a Deshaun Watson type guaranteed contract made interest pretty low.
All of this while having some years with injuries. They very well may have been colluding since it's pretty obvious a lot of teams could use him, but it was a very steep price.
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Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?
Smells like collusion
Actually smells more like your world view interfering with the facts.
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...he says with much unrealized irony...
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https://www.joebucsfan.com/2023/12/todd-bowles-bucs-needed-to-go-a-different-way/
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I'm not sure it's that simple. The Ravens placed a tag on him and I believe they were looking for multiple first round draft picks. That coupled with Lamar wanting a Deshaun Watson type guaranteed contract made interest pretty low.
All of this while having some years with injuries. They very well may have been colluding since it's pretty obvious a lot of teams could use him, but it was a very steep price.
They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.
Nothing to gain, so why bid.
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They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.
Nothing to gain, so why bid.
Exactly. Those are collectively bargained rules. I remember a little collusion talk at the time, but there really was nothing there.
Collusion has happened over the years - especially in baseball, when owners actually lost a ton of money after being sued. I believe in the NBA, too. Can't remember it ever getting that far in the NFL; the owners have most of the advantages built into the CBA so they don't really need to collude.
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They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.
Nothing to gain, so why bid.
To put an opposing team in a tougher cap situation. It’s not at all outlandish to suggest it was the owners resetting the power dynamic after the Watson deal.
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Wheels coming off Jags Wagon
https://apnews.com/article/jacksonville-jaguars-analysis-trevor-lawrence-8a59aa05c6f1adf41b111eb9cfaec6c0
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They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.
Nothing to gain, so why bid.
Given that the Ravens very publicly stated they weren't giving Lamar a fully guaranteed deal, I'm not sure why anyone would claim they were going to match any offer.
As for not showing confidence in their QB ... who cares? I don't think teams do, or should, care about that.
This seems the correct take.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lack-interest-lamar-jackson-collusion-181829013.html
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Raiders-Chiefs received the highest XMas day TV rating since 1989. The demise of the NFL continues unabated
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Russ benched for last 2 games of the season to protect his 2024 salary from vesting because of an injury. That might spell the end of him in Denver and maybe anywhere.
Send not to know,
For whom the nanobubbles pop,
They pop for thee
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Russ benched for last 2 games of the season to protect his 2024 salary from vesting because of an injury. That might spell the end of him in Denver and maybe anywhere.
Send not to know,
For whom the nanobubbles pop,
They pop for thee
Future Chicago Bear, Russell Wilson
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Russ benched for last 2 games of the season to protect his 2024 salary from vesting because of an injury. That might spell the end of him in Denver and maybe anywhere.
Send not to know,
For whom the nanobubbles pop,
They pop for thee
Raiders did the same thing last year to get out of guarantees in Derek Carr's contract.
His replacement? Jarrett Stidham.
Russ' replacement? Jarrett Stidham.
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It's easy to think you are a great coach and QB wizard when the QB is Drew Brees (or Tom Brady).
A bit different when the guy is Russ.
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It's easy to think you are a great coach and QB wizard when the QB is Drew Brees (or Tom Brady).
A bit different when the guy is Russ.
To be honest I think Payton did a pretty decent job considering how the season started.
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Jaire suspended for one game, and by all accounts, deserved it. Would be cool if accountability would be extended to the coaching staff
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To be honest I think Payton did a pretty decent job considering how the season started.
Depends how you're evaluating him.
The Broncos played better in weeks 7 to 14 than they did in weeks 1 to 6, for sure.
And they may even exceed their preseason win projection, which was 7.5, with games remaining against the Chargers and Raiders.
On the other hand, if part of Payton's task was to salvage the franchise's massive investment in Russ - and it's hard to imagine that wasn't an expectation - then he's been an abject failure.
And now it seems the team's best option may be a rebuild, which means they're paying Sean Payton $18 million a year to lose for a couple of seasons.
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Theoretical article on Justin Fields trade . I am in the camp that puts the responsibility for Fields mixed performance the last three years on the Bears coaching staff
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/justin-fields-trade-rumors-top-five-logical-landing-spots-if-bears-shop-qb-ahead-of-2024-nfl-draft/
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Jaire suspended for one game, and by all accounts, deserved it. Would be cool if accountability would be extended to the coaching staff
This has to do with a lot more than just the coin toss.
I agree about the coaching staff. As a head coach, MLF is a great OC. Maybe an 8 on a scale of 10.
As a CEO (head coach), maybe a 3 at best.
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Theoretical article on Justin Fields trade . I am in the camp that puts the responsibility for Fields mixed performance the last three years on the Bears coaching staff
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/justin-fields-trade-rumors-top-five-logical-landing-spots-if-bears-shop-qb-ahead-of-2024-nfl-draft/
Getsy is not a good OC. Eberflus is responsible for that. That said, the more I see of Field's the more I think he is nearing the apex of his best. He has started about 40 games and still consistently misses open receivers. The offensive talent is very average but not awful. He has a history of injuries (understandable due to the amount of runs) and I think his ability to throw is going to be more crucial as the injuries continue to add up.
Also, Fielld's has played against the 24th hardest schedule. You'd think he'd put up better numbers versus the teams he's played.
Factor in the salary situation and I'd lean towards going in a new direction.
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IMO the money here is set up in a way that forces the Bears to take a QB. Fields' 5th year option would be over $20MM. You could pick that up in hopes he turns his Josh Allen corner in 2024 (which is the only way I think you could argue not to draft a QB). But if he doesn't, the question one year from now won't be "can we win with Fields?" It will be "can we win with Fields occupying ~15% of our cap?" Because if he's worth keeping after his rookie deal at all, that will be what it will cost. Restarting the clock on your starting QB cap just provides so much cap flexibility that if you have a chance to draft a top prospect I think you have to do it unless you have a pretty sure thing, which Fields is definitely not.
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If you think either Williams or Maye is the QB you can build a franchise around, taking one of them and saying buh-bye to Fields should be an extremely easy decision.
Even if you're only pretty sure, you draft one of them in part because you think he'll be better than Fields and in part for the financial reasons Burrow just mentioned.
If you're not at least pretty sure, it makes the decision more difficult.
The #1 overall pick is too valuable to mess around with. You can get a ton in a trade to move down, so you need to first make the call on Williams/Maye.
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Depends how you're evaluating him.
The Broncos played better in weeks 7 to 14 than they did in weeks 1 to 6, for sure.
And they may even exceed their preseason win projection, which was 7.5, with games remaining against the Chargers and Raiders.
On the other hand, if part of Payton's task was to salvage the franchise's massive investment in Russ - and it's hard to imagine that wasn't an expectation - then he's been an abject failure.
And now it seems the team's best option may be a rebuild, which means they're paying Sean Payton $18 million a year to lose for a couple of seasons.
I don't disagree with any of this. But Wilson has been better this year than last, but "better" just means he's back on the track downwards that he was on in Seattle, which is why they got rid of him. No coach alive was going to be able to turn back the clock and turn Wilson into something he once was. So I don't know if it's a fault of Payton's coaching more than it was a fault of paying a lot of money to Wilson.
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Jaire suspended for one game, and by all accounts, deserved it. Would be cool if accountability would be extended to the coaching staff
great point warrior-especially to joe barry...umm, buh bye? HOPEFULLY!!
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This Jimmy Johnson induction ceremony into the Cowboys Ring of Honor is really bizarre. It just reminds me that the Cowboys have done nothing for a LOOONNNGGG time.
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No matter how many times it backfires, teams still insist on playing soft defense and coverage to protect a late lead. Pathetic by Dallas. The opposite approach worked all night.
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Omg. WTF?
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Wouldn't you just kick the XP now?
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Pretty horrible coaching decision
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I didn't understand that at all.
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Wouldn't you just kick the XP now?
Yeah, I don’t get Campbell insisting on going for the win instead of settling for Ot. Especially quarterbacked by Jared Goff.
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I completely understand it. That’s the way you play.
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I completely understand it. That’s the way you play.
You do it 3 times? And the 2nd time from tbe 7?
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Didn't they mess up I'm the 1H too?
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Dan Campbell is who he is. He plays to win. No one in that locker room will question that decision.
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You do it 3 times? And the 2nd time from tbe 7?
Guy who preaches “attack” shrivels up like a pu$$y….
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Dan Campbell is who he is. He plays to win. No one in that locker room will question that decision.
So they don't kick FG's or XP's?
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Guy who preaches “attack” shrivels up like a pu$$y….
LOL. it's called dealing with reality. It has nothing to do with being in attack mode on the basketball court.
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LOL. it's called dealing with reality. It has nothing to do with being in attack mode on the basketball court.
Ah. So when the going gets tough, you aren’t true to your posts.
Shocking.
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Ah. So when the going gets tough, you aren’t true to your posts.
Shocking.
Now you're just intentionally being moronic Fluffy. It analogous to Zach Edey having a dunk under the basket with 2 secs left to put the game into overtime, and instead passing the ball to a guarded perimeter player to shoot a 3 for the win
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Now you're just intentionally being moronic Fluffy. It analogous to Zach Edey having a dunk under the basket with 2 secs left to put the game into overtime, and
instead passing the ball to a guarded perimeter player to shoot a 3 for the win
So when you preach “attack,” you’re just being a hypocrite. Shocking.
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That was a cluster eff by both teams/coaches.
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Wasn’t the reason the flag was tossed because the OL was covered? They are treating it like a reporting issue, but I think it was a line up issue.
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Dan Campbell is who he is. He plays to win. No one in that locker room will question that decision.
Ok, whatever. That doesn’t make it the right or smart decision.
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Wasn’t the reason the flag was tossed because the OL was covered? They are treating it like a reporting issue, but I think it was a line up issue.
No, it was Decker’s failure to report. If it had been a line up / formation issue, it wouldn’t have been called illegal touching.
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No, it was Decker’s failure to report. If it had been a line up / formation issue, it wouldn’t have been called illegal touching.
Yes it would have because covering him would have made him ineligible.
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Brad Allen and his crew have had a REALLY rough season (not just tonight). He should not work a playoff game.
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Terrible call ruined an otherwise terrible game!
Unless you had Cee Dee Lamb on your fantasy team.
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Yes it would have because covering him would have made him ineligible.
He wasn’t covered lining up. He was the furthest lineman outside. There was a slot receiver lined up to his left but that guy obviously wouldn’t be considered part of the lineman.
He didn’t report according to the officials. That’s why it was called back.
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He wasn’t covered lining up. He was the furthest lineman outside. There was a slot receiver lined up to his left but that guy obviously wouldn’t be considered part of the lineman.
He didn’t report according to the officials. That’s why it was called back.
I stand corrected
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I stand corrected
The refs screwed up
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Goff grabbed Decker by the shoulder and directed him to the ref. (video evidence) Decker walked over to the ref (video evidence), knowing the play call and the ball was coming to him, and didn't report.
If you believe the official.
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Goff grabbed Decker by the shoulder and directed him to the ref. (video evidence) Decker walked over to the ref (video evidence), knowing the play call and the ball was coming to him, and didn't report.
If you believe the official.
Seems to me that Decker and Skipper walked over to the ref, Decker said “report”, ref made note of Skippers number and relayed Skippers number to the Cowboys defense, and then called the penalty on Decker.
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The video shows Sewell and Decker walking up to the official. The official starts running toward the line and Skipper comes running into the frame. Pretty obvious the official got the number wrong.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/taylor-decker-on-lions-controversial-two-point-conversion-penalty-i-did-exactly-what-coach-told-me-to-do/
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Apparently the referee clearly stated that #70 reported eligible over his mic. (Which is what normally happens in that situation.) If that's the case, Detroit didn't notice his error.
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The second int and the third 2 pt conversion attempt were the exact same mistaken read and bad throw by Goff, which highlights the underlying, whispered worry about him.
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Kind of fun. I have raised my 17 year old on the idea that the Lions will find a way to lose that no one has ever seen before. Even in this enjoyable season, it is good to know they still have that in them.
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Could Decker and the Lions have looked more like imbeciles? First, Goff has to tell him to go and report himself to the ref. Then Sewell walks over with him to the ref. Then Skipper runs in at the last minute towards the ref, Sewell, and Decker. Allen the ref clearly ignores Skipper’s presence even.
Only the Lions can make telling a ref you’re eligible difficult. They deserved what happened. The fact reporting eligible is being analyzed tells you all you need to know about how badly the Lions managed to bungle something so simple.
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It was part of the deception. Sewell has caught passes before and lined up outside Skipper. Skipper never reported eligible as he knew he wasn't. Part of the play design.
And Skipper wasn't in that particular huddle. He was running in late from the sideline.
And Campbell had talked to the officials before the game about that play and that formation.
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The ref made an error. But it was one he announced and could have been corrected.
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Indeed.
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Plenty of things cost the Lions that game, but it's OK to admit that the ref royally effed up that call.
Campbell told him before the game to expect it. The correct lineman reported to him. And the ref simply screwed up.
I also love that Campbell went for 2.
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Goff had the look he wanted on the third 2 pt attempt. He threw a bad ball to an open back up tight end. Even if Mitchell caught that ball, he was short of the goal line.
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Goff had the look he wanted on the third 2 pt attempt. He threw a bad ball to an open back up tight end. Even if Mitchell caught that ball, he was short of the goal line.
Goff struggles with that throw some. His last interception was similarly underthrown and thrown to the inside, letting the DB jump the route. I've noticed it in earlier games, too, which didn't exactly take sleuth-like work to see.
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Agreed. I mentioned the second interception was the same error earlier in the thread. He likes to get the ball out fast and seemingly reads short to long. It has worked well this year. It bit him yesterday.
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Must win game for Jags sans Trevor Lawrence . Bears rooting for Jags too
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Fortunately for the Jags, they're playing a high school JV team.
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Gardner Minshew looking solid for Colts again today
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I hope all you gambling types put money on Baltimore before the season began
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The Chicago Bears are on the clock.
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Hate hearing the Dolphin defender laying on the ground screaming after a non contact injury. Good luck, young man.
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I’d stick with Fields if I’m Chicago. Try to trade that #1.
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Time to start using the "f" word about the Eagles?
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That bungled two point conversion is really impacting things after the Noon slate.
Philly at Detroit on wild card weekend would be really interesting.
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Would probably allow me to say 'Same old Lions' for another season.
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Time to start using the "f" word about the Eagles?
Fluke?
Fraud?
Fold?
Future wild card?
Fire, dumpster?
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Would probably allow me to say 'Same old Lions' for another season.
Eagles will get the AFC South winner is them and the Cowboys win out.
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Eagles will get the AFC South winner is them and the Cowboys win out.
It would be proof of the fix if Philly faced the AFC South winner.
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It would be proof of the fix if Philly faced the AFC South winner.
Damnit
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Damnit
;D ;D ;D
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Lamar Jackson with another MVP season
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Probably not a great look for an NFL owner to be throwing a drink at an opposing team’s fan, out of his suite.
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Rams escape from NY with a road win against the Giants. We were banged up early on, but all key players are healthy now (crosses fingers).
Best record in football over the last two months (6-1), with our only loss on the road in OT vs the team with the best overall record (Baltimore).
Hoping we can win at least one playoff game.
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Probably not a great look for an NFL owner to be throwing a drink at an opposing team’s fan, out of his suite.
Who would have guessed Jerry Richardson would go down as the least embarrassing owner of the Carolina Panthers?
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Probably not a great look for an NFL owner to be throwing a drink at an opposing team’s fan, out of his suite.
That happens at Lambeau every home game.
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Who would have guessed Jerry Richardson would go down as the least embarrassing owner of the Carolina Panthers?
I can’t imagine what he’s like behind closed doors.
I know there’s only 32 of them, but if I’m a head coaching candidate this offseason with options, I’m probably not house hunting in Charlotte.
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That happens at Lambeau every home game.
Classic. Well done. ;D
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I’d stick with Fields if I’m Chicago. Try to trade that #1.
Last five games, not bad, not great. 4TDs, 3INTs, 13 Sacks. = $35M/YR?
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Rams escape from NY with a road win against the Giants. We were banged up early on, but all key players are healthy now (crosses fingers).
Best record in football over the last two months (6-1), with our only loss on the road in OT vs the team with the best overall record (Baltimore).
Hoping we can win at least one playoff game.
Stafford returns to Detroit.
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Tomlin keeps his consecutive non losing season streak alive. He is now at 17 season . Landry , 21 , and Belichick , 19, are ahead of him
https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-head-coach-mike-tomlin-clinches-17th-straight-non-losing-season-to-begi
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Dan Campbell is who he is. He plays to win. No one in that locker room will question that decision.
Going for it from the two? Cool. Going for it from the three and a half? Defensible. Going for it from the 7? Idiotic. And if no one in the locker room will question that call they’re idiots, too. It’s the equivalent of 20 seconds left in the game, 4th down, down 3 points from the 7 yard line. Going for it is very low %, just plain dumb. You kick it and play OT.
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He trusts his offense more than he trusts his defense. He played to win.
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He trusts his offense more than he trusts his defense. He played to win.
His offense had a better chance of winning the game in OT than it had of scoring a TD on one play from the 7. Being desperate when there’s no need to be isn’t “playing to win”. You’ll lose a whole lot more often than you’ll win doing that. It’s dumb.
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Thanks, Lenny, for reassuring me that Campbell did the right thing.
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Thanks, Lenny, for reassuring me that Campbell did the right thing.
lol.
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Thanks, Lenny, for reassuring me that Campbell did the right thing.
LOL
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Campbell played for the tie against Seattle earlier in the season. Seahawks got the OT kickoff, drove down the field and scored easily. Since then, every time the choice has been to play it safe and trust his defense to hold on vs. be aggressive and trust his offense to make the big play, he has chosen his offense.
The shocker would have been if he had played it safe. As shocking as Shaka telling his players to not shoot open 3's.
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Campbell played for the tie against Seattle earlier in the season. Seahawks got the OT kickoff, drove down the field and scored easily. Since then, every time the choice has been to play it safe and trust his defense to hold on vs. be aggressive and trust his offense to make the big play, he has chosen his offense.
The shocker would have been if he had played it safe. As shocking as Shaka telling his players to not shoot open 3's.
An open 3? From just behind the 3 point line (2 yard line) with Oso wide open for 2 under the bucket? Questionable. From 40 feet out, down 2 with Oso standing under the basket by himself for the easy 2 (and the tie). Never.
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Stafford returns to Detroit.
That would be fun to watch. Stafford for L.A., Goff for Detroit. Switch em up and see how it all turns out.
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I can’t imagine what he’s like behind closed doors.
I know there’s only 32 of them, but if I’m a head coaching candidate this offseason with options, I’m probably not house hunting in Charlotte.
Entitled, rich a-hole. NFL should fine him $1 million, not that he'd even feel it.
Plenty of coaches will line up for his money. Some won't be swayed by it, but plenty will seriously consider it and one will take it.
Tepper and Harbaugh seem like a delicious marriage!
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An open 3? From just behind the 3 point line (2 yard line) with Oso wide open for 2 under the bucket? Questionable. From 40 feet out, down 2 with Oso standing under the basket by himself for the easy 2 (and the tie). Never.
That is some serious JB/Sultan love child level of pedantic posting.
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I couldn't find information on the odds of succeeding on a 2-point conversion from the 7-yard line, but between 2013 and 2022, a surprisingly high 43% of attempts on 4th-and-7 were successful.
Even if you say it's half that on 4th-and-goal from the 7 because there's less field to work with, the defense is more focused, etc, that's still 20%+ ... better than I'd have thought.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-fourth-down-conversion-chart-rate-by-distance/vofkeub6xwms6imajxqkfipp
We can debate whether or not it was wise to go for the conversion from the 7, though as tower says Campbell knows his team. As it turned out, Detroit had a free play because the Cowboys went offside. And trying from the 2 and the 3 1/2 yard lines were no-brainers. Had the ref not jobbed the Lions on the first one, the 7-yard try would have never happened.
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I couldn't find information on the odds of succeeding on a 2-point conversion from the 7-yard line, but between 2013 and 2022, a surprisingly high 43% of attempts on 4th-and-7 were successful.
Even if you say it's half that on 4th-and-goal from the 7 because there's less field to work with, the defense is more focused, etc, that's still 20%+ ... better than I'd have thought.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-fourth-down-conversion-chart-rate-by-distance/vofkeub6xwms6imajxqkfipp
We can debate whether or not it was wise to go for the conversion from the 7, though as tower says Campbell knows his team. As it turned out, Detroit had a free play because the Cowboys went offside. And trying from the 2 and the 3 1/2 yard lines were no-brainers. Had the ref not jobbed the Lions on the first one, the 7-yard try would have never happened.
In a vacuum, I'm not sure I have a problem with it. Game on the line, I'd hope the Packers would do the same giving their XP challenges.
The issue probably comes from how many plays preceeded it. Cowboys got a lot of looks at what the Lions were trying and that helps when the Lions are down to their 3rd or 4th best play call.
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The NFL's stance is that the Lions engaged in deception and gamesmanship and it backfired.
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Semi sneaky big story that emerged from yesterday is the Cardinals dropping to 4 in the draft order. The Bears leverage increases dramatically with AZ dropping. Having NE/WAS at two/three (no matter the order) and having the Giants at 5 is great for them.
I have no idea what route they should take. Every analytical metric (both on the field and financially) says to move on from Fields. Everyone is focused on Caleb and Maye, but what the Bears think of Jayden Daniels might be the most important decision.
If they bring back Fields, their options in 2024 are endless. They could trade from 1 to 3, and then 3 to 5 and massively clean up. That doesn’t even account for their own pick (currently at 10). Taking Caleb at 1, and then Turner at 10, sets them up financially for the next 5 years.
They’re up to 7th in weighted DVOA, which is insane considering where they were around week 4. If they beat Green Bay on Sunday, the McCaskey’s will probably meatball and bring back the entire coaching staff (which would be a mistake). This will be the most fascinating offseason they’ve ever had coming up, and they can not mess it up.
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They’re up to 7th in weighted DVOA, which is insane considering where they were around week 4. If they beat Green Bay on Sunday, the McCaskey’s will probably meatball and bring back the entire coaching staff (which would be a mistake). This will be the most fascinating offseason they’ve ever had coming up, and they can not mess it up.
Based on their history under the McCaskey’s, they can mess it up incredibly easy.
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Based on their history under the McCaskey’s, they can mess it up incredibly easy.
Honestly, if they beat Green Bay, I’m scared how “confident” the McCaskey’s would be. The amount of stupid meatball reactions and stuff that would come out of a Bears victory could be very detrimental long term.
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Isn’t that why they brought Warren on board?
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The NFL's stance is that the Lions engaged in deception and gamesmanship and it backfired.
Purely coincidentally, the Dallas/Detroit officiating crew will not be working the playoffs. Same crew from the GB/KC game. If memory serves, there was controversy at the end of that game, too.
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Isn’t that why they brought Warren on board?
Mostly brought him in to cut a stadium deal and run the business side of the franchise. Warren isn't a "football guy." He's a lawyer.
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Isn’t that why they brought Warren on board?
McCaskey’s opinion > Warren’s opinion
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Right but does the football side report to him?
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Right but does the football side report to him?
I imagine they do, but I don't think he makes football decisions. He probably would sign off on any major decisions, but he's not giving input on trades or the coaching decision.
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Honestly, if they beat Green Bay, I’m scared how “confident” the McCaskey’s would be. The amount of stupid meatball reactions and stuff that would come out of a Bears victory could be very detrimental long term.
I understand what you are saying. If they beat GB, they will probably stay with the status quo. Nobody gets fired. Everything is great.
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I understand what you are saying. If they beat GB, they will probably stay with the status quo. Nobody gets fired. Everything is great.
I don't have any special information about the Bears but I'd be very surprised if Getsy comes back. If Fields comes back, I don't think he wants to work with Getsy (comments early this season). If the move from Fields, I don't think they would trust a #1 pick QB with Getsy.
IMHO, Getsy will be the Jets' QB coach next year.
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I couldn't find information on the odds of succeeding on a 2-point conversion from the 7-yard line, but between 2013 and 2022, a surprisingly high 43% of attempts on 4th-and-7 were successful.
Even if you say it's half that on 4th-and-goal from the 7 because there's less field to work with, the defense is more focused, etc, that's still 20%+ ... better than I'd have thought.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-fourth-down-conversion-chart-rate-by-distance/vofkeub6xwms6imajxqkfipp
We can debate whether or not it was wise to go for the conversion from the 7, though as tower says Campbell knows his team. As it turned out, Detroit had a free play because the Cowboys went offside. And trying from the 2 and the 3 1/2 yard lines were no-brainers. Had the ref not jobbed the Lions on the first one, the 7-yard try would have never happened.
Half of 43% is fair, so maybe 21.5%. Their chances of winning in OT as a slight underdog are about 45%. .45 x .95 (chance of making the FG) = .4275 or 42.75%. So by “playing to win” he cut his chances to win in half. #Dumb
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Half of 43% is fair, so maybe 21.5%. Their chances of winning in OT as a slight underdog are about 45%. .45 x .95 (chance of making the FG) = .4275 or 42.75%. So by “playing to win” he cut his chances to win in half. #Dumb
As I said, it’s certainly arguable whether going for it from the 7 was wise or dumb. Indeed, you’re arguing “dumb.” But that play was negated by an offside penalty anyway. He also went from 2 and was robbed, and he went from 3.5, which you’ve already said was OK.
So congrats?
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McCaskey’s opinion > Warren’s opinion
DegenerateDish:
What do you estimate The Bears could receive in trade value for Justin Fields
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DegenerateDish:
What do you estimate The Bears could receive in trade value for Justin Fields
Not as much as the Packers could get for Jordan Love
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So not even a used jock strap?
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So not even a used jock strap?
The amount of used jock straps the professional teams of Wisconsin could have is enough to start a new currency
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DegenerateDish:
What do you estimate The Bears could receive in trade value for Justin Fields
Guessing 2 - 2nd round picks.
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Guessing 2 - 2nd round picks.
Bijan and a second
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Bijan and a second
Guessing 2 - 2nd round picks.
I hope those are teal.
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Yeah I’m not understanding the idea that the Bears should move on from Fields, yet will get two seconds for him. They’d get like a fourth or fifth round pick at best.
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Yeah I’m not understanding the idea that the Bears should move on from Fields, yet will get two seconds for him. They’d get like a fourth or fifth round pick at best.
I doubt they’ll trade him but I think you’re underestimating what Fields would bring.
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Then why would the Bears trade him?
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Isn’t that why they brought Warren on board?
Warren is totally in charge
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Who’s giving up any seconds, let alone 2, for the right to pay Justin Fields boatloads of money?
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Yeah I’m not understanding the idea that the Bears should move on from Fields, yet will get two seconds for him. They’d get like a fourth or fifth round pick at best.
Yeah, the idiot Panthers aren't in the QB market, so the Bears can't expect a Darnold-sized haul for Fields.
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Yeah, the idiot Panthers aren't in the QB market, so the Bears can't expect a Darnold-sized haul for Fields.
Plus, what team is willing to give up a haul for Fields with Chicago holding the first overall pick? I think it’s more likely the Bears get a haul for that pick from a QB desperate team.
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Plus, what team is willing to give up a haul for Fields with Chicago holding the first overall pick? I think it’s more likely the Bears get a haul for that pick from a QB desperate team.
Correct.
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Then why would the Bears trade him?
In your scenario (a 4th or 5th), they definitely won’t.
If a team out there thinks he’s worth a couple of 2s (what I’ve read), they might.
You trade a guy if someone values him more than you do - not the other way around.
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In your scenario (a 4th or 5th), they definitely won’t.
If a team out there thinks he’s worth a couple of 2s (what I’ve read), they might.
You trade a guy if someone values him more than you do - not the other way around.
Well, if you bring in another QB and you don't want to pay Fields, you take the best offer you can get for him. If you decide it's time to move on, you can't just hold onto Fields and pay him to sit around.
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Well, if you bring in another QB and you don't want to pay Fields, you take the best offer you can get for him. If you decide it's time to move on, you can't just hold onto Fields and pay him to sit around.
Exactly. They aren’t going to draft the next “quarterback of the future” and have the previous one stick around.
If the Bears make the decision to draft Williams, they’ll get what they can for Fields.
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Well, if you bring in another QB and you don't want to pay Fields, you take the best offer you can get for him. If you decide it's time to move on, you can't just hold onto Fields and pay him to sit around.
It’s not as simple as that, imo - the play of Fields and the team down the stretch has complicated things a bit. If they’re on the fence as to whether to stick with Fields and pay him the two main things that tip the scales are 1) their valuation of the #1 pick vs what they can get for it and 2) their valuation of Justin Fields vs what it can bring.
The Bears will place their own values on both. Included in those valuations will be the money trading Fields will open up to adding other players. If the appetite for #1 exceeds how they value it and the appetite for Fields is less than where they value it, keep Fields, trade the pick. Other way around, do the opposite. It’s not just about a QB - it’s about what the entire roster looks like after the dust settles.
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It’s not as simple as that, imo - the play of Fields and the team down the stretch has complicated things a bit. If they’re on the fence as to whether to stick with Fields and pay him the two main things that tip the scales are 1) their valuation of the #1 pick vs what they can get for it and 2) their valuation of Justin Fields vs what it can bring.
The Bears will place their own values on both. Included in those valuations will be the money trading Fields will open up to adding other players. If the appetite for #1 exceeds how they value it and the appetite for Fields is less than where they value it, keep Fields, trade the pick. Other way around, do the opposite. It’s not just about a QB - it’s about what the entire roster looks like after the dust settles.
I don't think the Bears can afford to think that way. They have to make the call on Fields. If they think he's the man, they can keep him, pay him and trade the pick, parlaying it into a bunch of picks to get pieces to surround Fields. If they don't think he's the man - if they think Williams or Maye or Daniels or whoever will be better - they need to trade Fields for the most they can get.
I do think it's that simple: Is Fields our guy or not?
Soon enough, Lenny, we'll find out.
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I don't think the Bears can afford to think that way. They have to make the call on Fields. If they think he's the man, they can keep him, pay him and trade the pick, parlaying it into a bunch of picks to get pieces to surround Fields. If they don't think he's the man - if they think Williams or Maye or Daniels or whoever will be better - they need to trade Fields for the most they can get.
I do think it's that simple: Is Fields our guy or not?
Soon enough, Lenny, we'll find out.
The Bears have made the call on Fields but they won't play their hand till draft day.
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Seven NFL GMs on Fields' trade value:
GM one: A second-round and fourth-round pick, pending a “good finish” to the season.
GM two: A second-round pick, pending a “strong finish” to the season.
GM three: A third-round pick, plus another late-round pick that could escalate one round based on performance.
GM four: One third-round pick in the 2024 draft, one fourth-round pick in the 2025 draft.
GM five: A third-round pick or a second-round draft pick for Fields, plus a late-round pick back from the Bears.
GMs six and seven had the same proposal: A third-round pick, pending the finish of this season.
Some of these proposals came with caveats. As one GM noted, “it only takes one team” to like Fields enough to give up more than others would expect. Another mentioned that the value could rise or fall based on how long the Bears hold on to Fields, reasoning that a trade lingering all the way to the doorstep of the draft could lessen his value to franchises that would want him to begin working with their staff immediately. All of the GMs said they would factor in a slight tweak to his compensation based on the next four games. None of them put his value in the realm of a first-round pick.
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
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The Bears have made the call on Fields but they won't play their hand till draft day.
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I don't think the Bears can afford to think that way. They have to make the call on Fields. If they think he's the man, they can keep him, pay him and trade the pick, parlaying it into a bunch of picks to get pieces to surround Fields. If they don't think he's the man - if they think Williams or Maye or Daniels or whoever will be better - they need to trade Fields for the most they can get.
I do think it's that simple: Is Fields our guy or not?
Soon enough, Lenny, we'll find out.
We disagree that it’s that simple. They’re not sure re Fields - or any of the college guys. Because it’s not clear. Again I think the decision will rest on what the TEAM looks like under either scenario. At least that’s what I hope they do. It would take as much luck out of the equation as is possible.
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I’m just catching up here, but a 2nd or early 3rd round pick is what I would think. Probably some conditions around the pick (snaps in 2024).
Fields is still dirt cheap next year, if a team picks up the fifth year option, they still wouldn’t have to commit long term dollars any time soon.
As Pakuni says, it only takes one team.
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Seven NFL GMs on Fields' trade value:
GM one: A second-round and fourth-round pick, pending a “good finish” to the season.
GM two: A second-round pick, pending a “strong finish” to the season.
GM three: A third-round pick, plus another late-round pick that could escalate one round based on performance.
GM four: One third-round pick in the 2024 draft, one fourth-round pick in the 2025 draft.
GM five: A third-round pick or a second-round draft pick for Fields, plus a late-round pick back from the Bears.
GMs six and seven had the same proposal: A third-round pick, pending the finish of this season.
Some of these proposals came with caveats. As one GM noted, “it only takes one team” to like Fields enough to give up more than others would expect. Another mentioned that the value could rise or fall based on how long the Bears hold on to Fields, reasoning that a trade lingering all the way to the doorstep of the draft could lessen his value to franchises that would want him to begin working with their staff immediately. All of the GMs said they would factor in a slight tweak to his compensation based on the next four games. None of them put his value in the realm of a first-round pick.
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
Yeah. The idea that the BEST the Bears can get for him is a 4th or 5th rounder is ridiculous. Several would give more, one might give considerably more. The Bears are in a perfect “wait and see” position on both the #1 pick and Fields.
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Yeah. The idea that the BEST the Bears can get for him is a 4th or 5th rounder is ridiculous. Several would give more, one might give considerably more. The Bears are in a perfect “wait and see” position on both the #1 pick and Fields.
As the article says, it's probably best for the Bears to not wait too long.
I haven't put any draft-pick value on Fields, because I don't know beyond thinking it will not be a first-rounder. To me, it's the least important part of the equation, with the most important part being simply if the Bears prefer Fields or one of the rookies. I know you disagree with that part ... and it's OK for friends to disagree on silly sports stuff!
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We disagree that it’s that simple. They’re not sure re Fields - or any of the college guys. Because it’s not clear. Again I think the decision will rest on what the TEAM looks like under either scenario. At least that’s what I hope they do. It would take as much luck out of the equation as is possible.
After 3 years of practice and games, they better know on Fields. If not, they are just the same old Bears.
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We disagree that it’s that simple. They’re not sure re Fields - or any of the college guys. Because it’s not clear. Again I think the decision will rest on what the TEAM looks like under either scenario. At least that’s what I hope they do. It would take as much luck out of the equation as is possible.
The critical decision upon which all the other dominos fall is a belief that Fields will not only be as good but significantly better that Williams or Maye. If Fields projects to be only about as good as Williams or Maye, then it is a no brainer to go with the much less expensive option of a drafted QB.
This opportunity will not come again for a long time as the Bears will have a last place schedule again and would be unlikely to get a top 5 pick next year. While factually correct, the Bears have a coupe of years before having to commit big time to Fields, the options to replace him will be fewer and less attractive at that point.
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Actually if Williams or Maye projects to be no better than Fields, you hang onto the known quantity. He's not going to get Lamar Jackson type money and these days you can work with contracts to get them to work anyway.
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After 3 years of practice and games, they better know on Fields. If not, they are just the same old Bears.
This situation is classic same old Bears. All statistical data points indicate Fields is not a great or very good QB. There seems to be a "gut feeling" belief in some fans and media that Fields will suddenly "turn a corner" and become great.
Reminds me of a certain coach who (myself included) saw as a hard worker, good guy, had all the tools to be a great head coach and just need a little more time to "turn the corner"
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Actually if Williams or Maye projects to be no better than Fields, you hang onto the known quantity. He's not going to get Lamar Jackson type money and these days you can work with contracts to get them to work anyway.
I follow your logic. You are in the small minority that feels that way. Every "expert", ex-GM, and the like place way more value on the massive salary cap savings. Plus, the consensus seems to be that based upon Fields 3 years that his ceiling seems to becoming clear and Williams and Maye have a potentially higher ceiling.
If the Bears goal is to simply win the Central, then you stick with the known commodity, Fields.
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I follow your logic. You are in the small minority that feels that way. Every "expert", ex-GM, and the like place way more value on the massive salary cap savings. Plus, the consensus seems to be that based upon Fields 3 years that his ceiling seems to becoming clear and Williams and Maye have a potentially higher ceiling.
If the Bears goal is to simply win the Central, then you stick with the known commodity, Fields.
You're the one who stated "If Fields projects to be only about as good as Williams or Maye..." so my comments were completely within that limitation.
IMO if they decide to start over, they are going to project that Williams or Maye will be better than Fields. Why start over otherwise?
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You're the one who stated "If Fields projects to be only about as good as Williams or Maye..." so my comments were completely within that limitation.
IMO if they decide to start over, they are going to project that Williams or Maye will be better than Fields. Why start over otherwise?
It’s year 3 of playing for Fields. If we look strictly at passing stats and ignore the threat he poses with his legs, there’s nothing to suggest he’s going to turn the corner as a passer.
We can make a lot of excuses for him but at some point, you have to show more as a passer in today’s league. He gets comped to Lamar a lot and Lamar showed far more as a passer by year 3 than Fields has.
The excuses about a lack of pass catchers doesn’t hold water either. Lamar’s primary receivers in year 3 were Hollywood Brown and Mark Andrews. DJ Moore and Cole Kmet have been better than those 2.
He is what he is at this point, an inconsistent QB that hasn’t shown he’s going to make a leap to become a legit top-10 type QB. I’m absolutely drafting Williams or Maye over him
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And that is 100% legit. I was simply commenting based on the context set by White Trash.
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And that is 100% legit. I was simply commenting based on the context set by White Trash.
Yeah, that’s why I posted that. After thinking about it, the Bears will look foolish passing on Williams or Maye if they think they’re better than Fields and keep him because of feelings.
If he torches the Packers this weekend, they will 100% bring him back. I hate to give Colin Cowherd any credit but when the Bills gave an extension to Ryan Fitzpatrick based on one month of play, he said that’s what bad organizations do, give contracts on feelings because the Bills were desperate for a franchise QB. He was gone a year later.
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Well, for the Bears' sake, they should have already made that decision. If they have decided to move on, they should start Bagent on Sunday instead. Because if you start Fields, and he is worth more than I think he is, they can't risk him getting injured.
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Well, for the Bears' sake, they should have already made that decision. If they have decided to move on, they should start Bagent on Sunday instead. Because if you start Fields, and he is worth more than I think he is, they can't risk him getting injured.
Not playing him also signals his time in Chicago is done and you lose some leverage, too.
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You're the one who stated "If Fields projects to be only about as good as Williams or Maye..." so my comments were completely within that limitation.
IMO if they decide to start over, they are going to project that Williams or Maye will be better than Fields. Why start over otherwise?
I get where you are coming from. I should not have move the goal posts by including the potential upside but you included the potential downside. I should have been more clear, the "experts" (I tend to agree with) are saying if Williams or Maye turn out to be only as good as Fields, you take the rookie and trade Fields.
I think most agree the potential upside with Maye or Williams is higher than Fields and if drafting was an exact science, Fields would be gone. The bird in hand theory is the only reason the Bears have a hard decision.
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Not playing him also signals his time in Chicago is done and you lose some leverage, too.
100% agree. The risk/reward equation favors playing Fields. IMHO, I don't think the Bears have made up their mind yet. Who knows, maybe they interview Williams and he's a head case, maybe Maye falls down the stairs and tears up his shoulder.
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Not playing him also signals his time in Chicago is done and you lose some leverage, too.
I don't think the Bears are going to be able to keep this a big secret. The NFL is a pretty small, incestuous world, and people talk.
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Yeah, that’s why I posted that. After thinking about it, the Bears will look foolish passing on Williams or Maye if they think they’re better than Fields and keep him because of feelings.
If he torches the Packers this weekend, they will 100% bring him back. I hate to give Colin Cowherd any credit but when the Bills gave an extension to Ryan Fitzpatrick based on one month of play, he said that’s what bad organizations do, give contracts on feelings because the Bills were desperate for a franchise QB. He was gone a year later.
There couldn’t be a worse opponent for the Bears this weekend. Every outcome will be tied to emotion because “it’s the Packers”. I hope this game ends in a 17-17 tie.
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I don't think the Bears are going to be able to keep this a big secret. The NFL is a pretty small, incestuous world, and people talk.
No, but I think optics still matter somewhat
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When it comes to QBs, if you aren't 100% sure at the end of a guy's rookie contract, you start over. The NFL is too small a sample size and has too much injury variability to have a template, but to the extent you can draw a curve to success, its the rookie QB deal. Every team with double digit wins except the Browns and Lions have either a QB on a rookie deal or a QB that was a no doubter to sign to a post-rookie deal.
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When it comes to QBs, if you aren't 100% sure at the end of a guy's rookie contract, you start over. The NFL is too small a sample size and has too much injury variability to have a template, but to the extent you can draw a curve to success, its the rookie QB deal. Every team with double digit wins except the Browns and Lions have either a QB on a rookie deal or a QB that was a no doubter to sign to a post-rookie deal.
Starting over would mean the Bears would have to yet once again start from scratch. There is no patience for that and that would also mean a coaching change would be in order.
The only thing that makes sense then would be to sign Cousins to a two year deal, as the "next QB of the future" develops. There will be a lot of competition for KC.
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Starting over would mean the Bears would have to yet once again start from scratch. There is no patience for that and that would also meaning a coaching change would be in order.
The only thing that makes sense then would be to sign Cousins to a two year deal, as the "next QB of the future" develops. There will be a lot of competition for KC.
Do the Bears want to pay Fields at the end of the rookie deal is the bottom line. If the answer is yes, it won’t be a bargain deal. He’ll want a legit extension. Bears have a lot of cap room and can keep a lot of it by drafting Williams or Maye and not overpaying for a QB that may or may not be the guy
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Starting over would mean the Bears would have to yet once again start from scratch. There is no patience for that and that would also meaning a coaching change would be in order.
The only thing that makes sense then would be to sign Cousins to a two year deal, as the "next QB of the future" develops. There will be a lot of competition for KC.
No patience from the ownership and front office? Not saying you are wrong but the Bears haven't appeared to be lacking in patience to win for a long time.
I'd guess and hope the owner, FO and even fans would sign up for another last place finish next year to have a top 5-10 QB for the next 10-15 years.
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Starting over would mean the Bears would have to yet once again start from scratch. There is no patience for that and that would also meaning a coaching change would be in order.
The only thing that makes sense then would be to sign Cousins to a two year deal, as the "next QB of the future" develops. There will be a lot of competition for KC.
Not really. I think the notion that drafting a QB = starting from scratch has been largely dispelled.
Jacksonville was a playoff team in Lawrence's second season and likely will be in his third.
Houston could make the playoffs with a rookie Stroud.
Cincy was in the Super Bowl in Burrow's second season and played for the AFC Championship in his third.
KC was in the playoffs in Mahomes' second season (first as a starter) and won the Super Bowl in his third.
Houston was in the playoffs in Watson's second and third seasons.
Buffalo was in the playoffs in Allen's second season and every season since.
Baltimore went to the playoffs in Lamar's first three seasons.
Rams went to the playoffs in Goff's second season and the Super Bowl in his third.
Obviously, a team has to pick the right quarterback, but nothing in recent history suggests drafting one early = total rebuild and/or years of losing.
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Do the Bears want to pay Fields at the end of the rookie deal is the bottom line. If the answer is yes, it won’t be a bargain deal. He’ll want a legit extension. Bears have a lot of cap room and can keep a lot of it by drafting Williams or Maye and not overpaying for a QB that may or may not be the guy
Then you'd need to use that space on KC, maybe even more.
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Not really. I think the notion that drafting a QB = starting from scratch has been largely dispelled.
Jacksonville was a playoff team in Lawrence's second season and likely will be in his third.
Houston could make the playoffs with a rookie Stroud.
Cincy was in the Super Bowl in Burrow's second season and played for the AFC Championship in his third.
KC was in the playoffs in Mahomes' second season (first as a starter) and won the Super Bowl in his third.
Houston was in the playoffs in Watson's second and third seasons.
Buffalo was in the playoffs in Allen's second season and every season since.
Baltimore went to the playoffs in Lamar's first three seasons.
Rams went to the playoffs in Goff's second season and the Super Bowl in his third.
Obviously, a team has to pick the right quarterback, but nothing in recent history suggests drafting one early = total rebuild.
And then there are Mitch and Fields (let alone many other flame outs like Zach Wilson, Manzel, and TBD on Young).
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No patience from the ownership and front office? Not saying you are wrong but the Bears haven't appeared to be lacking in patience to win for a long time.
I'd guess and hope the owner, FO and even fans would sign up for another last place finish next year to have a top 5-10 QB for the next 10-15 years.
The McCaskey's are trying to build a new stadium and are about to ask their STH's, state and local governments to pony up very large amounts for seat licenses, tax relief and infrastructure. I'd say patience has about run out on another rebuild.
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Do the Bears want to pay Fields at the end of the rookie deal is the bottom line. If the answer is yes, it won’t be a bargain deal. He’ll want a legit extension. Bears have a lot of cap room and can keep a lot of it by drafting Williams or Maye and not overpaying for a QB that may or may not be the guy
This is a tough call for Poles. The Bears are far from a great team and many holes to fill that cap space can be used for; plus the inexpensive, young and talented QB with a talented, expensive, roster is a proven recipe for success.
As a Bears fan I would love to think we have a superstar QB and we can use this massive draft capital for the balance of the roster. Not sure I can honestly say that.
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And then there are Mitch and Fields (let alone many other flame outs like Zach Wilson, Manzel, and TBD on Young).
Right, which is why I wrote "Obviously, a team has to pick the right quarterback"
If you pick the wrong guy, you're screwed whether he plays right away or sits two years behind Kirk Cousins.
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The McCaskey's are trying to build a new stadium and are about to ask their STH's, state and local governments to pony up very large amounts for seat licenses, tax relief and infrastructure. I'd say patience has about run out on another rebuild.
If the "rebuild" is like the Chiefs' rebuild with Mahomes, sign me up. I'd say Smith was a better QB than Fields when KC moved on from him.
If drafting a QB means they are going to trade everyone good and tank like last year, I agree that will not fly.
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The McCaskey's are trying to build a new stadium and are about to ask their STH's, state and local governments to pony up very large amounts for seat licenses, tax relief and infrastructure. I'd say patience has about run out on another rebuild.
Drafting a QB at isn’t a rebuild or start over. With the cap space and draft capital in place, they’re in a prime position to make noise fast.
Also, as discussed, there will be some type of market for Fields. Even if it’s just two picks, more capital.
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Then you'd need to use that space on KC, maybe even more.
I think the Bears would be one of the last teams bidding on Cousins.
A 36 year old QB with ONE playoff win in his entire career? I'd talk Jay Cutler out of retirement before I'd sign Cousins.
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Drafting a QB at isn’t a rebuild or start over. With the cap space and draft capital in place, they’re in a prime position to make noise fast.
Also, as discussed, there will be some type of market for Fields. Even if it’s just two picks, more capital.
I also am not tracking with the rebuild if you draft a QB. While picking a QB #1 usually means your terrible and have to rebuild, the Bears, to their credit, secured the #1 pick through a trade and the rebuild is well under way.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39219170/chicago-bears-quarterback-justin-fields-caleb-williams-drake-maye-no-1-pick-2024-nfl-draft
Interesting comments. Especially w/r/t locker room stability/culture
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The locker room culture is among the last things that should enter into this evaluation. 90% of the players in any NFL locker room are completely replaceable.
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The locker room culture is among the last things that should enter into this evaluation. 90% of the players in any NFL locker room are completely replaceable.
This is especially true with the Bears. If the next QB throws 35TDs & 8 INTs next year the players will be like "Justin who?".
Just like Wojo, Justin checks all the boxes except game results.
I'm a lean to trade him, but it is not a slam dunk decision and I can follow the logic to keep him.
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This is especially true with the Bears. If the next QB throws 35TDs & 8 INTs next year the players will be like "Justin who?".
Just like Wojo, Justin checks all the boxes except game results.
I'm a lean to trade him, but it is not a slam dunk decision and I can follow the logic to keep him.
If the next QB throws 35 TD? Jordan Love has 30 TD passes and no Bears QB has ever done that. ;)
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Can’t believe I have to cheer for the Bears this week.
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Can’t believe I have to cheer for the Bears this week.
Hey, it's an upgrade.
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If the next QB throws 35 TD? Jordan Love has 30 TD passes and no Bears QB has ever done that. ;)
Not even the legendary Sid Luckman? :D
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Can’t believe I have to cheer for the Bears this week.
Where does the little ball land on this week's version of Viking QB roulette?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39219170/chicago-bears-quarterback-justin-fields-caleb-williams-drake-maye-no-1-pick-2024-nfl-draft
Interesting comments. Especially w/r/t locker room stability/culture
Why would Poles be gone. I didn’t even think that was a consideration but the article seems to allude it’s been on the table.
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Why would Poles be gone. I didn’t even think that was a consideration but the article seems to allude it’s been on the table.
IMO, Kevin Warren is going to be VERY involved moving forward. So, if he doesn't like/want poles, then he's gone
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Probably not a great look for an NFL owner to be throwing a drink at an opposing team’s fan, out of his suite.
Not a good video. However, if the Brad Allen crew had been reviewing it, they would have blamed the guy next to him and then blamed Richardson for confusing them by wearing street clothes.
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Where does the little ball land on this week's version of Viking QB roulette?
I’m hoping we say eff it and sign coach KOC to play a game. Otherwise, I’d talk to Justin, ask him what he prefers, and do that
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Mullens
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Mullens
Yeah. Mullens isn't good, but he can at least make some throws. Hall has nothing.
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Yeah, I’m good with that. 330 yards, a TD and 4 INTs instead of 54 yards, 0 TDs and 3 INTs
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Bucs Panthers for all the NFC South Marbles ….
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39226033/bucs-know-game-panthers-all-marbles
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93 of the top 100 most-watched U.S. TV broadcasts in were NFL games, and 3 others were college football games, according to Sports Business Journal.
The four non-sports broadcasts: Thanksgiving Day Parade, State of the Union, Academy Awards and an episode of "Next-Level Chef," which aired on Fox right after the Super Bowl.
Obviously, the NFL continues to be doomed.
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Excellent win for Coach Tomlin and his Steelers .
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Link?
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Cj Stroud has a lot of talent.
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It’s amazing that a Week 18 (last season) 4th and 20, last minute, Davis Mills to Jordan Akins TD pass had changed the fate of the Bears/Panthers/Texans forever.
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AFC South has gone from a lousy division to a fun one. With Cj Stroud , Trevor Lawrence and Anthony Richardson (when healthy) there are 3 very competitive quarterbacks.
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AFC South has gone from a lousy division to a fun one. With Cj Stroud , Trevor Lawrence and Anthony Richardson (when healthy) there are 3 very competitive quarterbacks.
Lawrence sucks
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Jags having some difficulties on road at Titans
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Knees aren’t made to bend like LaPorta’s did.
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Nope.
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Nope.
You don’t catch the ball with your knees
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That Chris Olave catch for a TD was wild
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Perfect season-capper for the Panthers.
They appear to score one TD but the receiver actually loses control of the ball just before crossing the goal line and the Bucs recover in the end zone.
They appear to score another TD but the receiver (a different one) lines up in the wrong spot so it's wiped out with a procedure penalty.
So a pathetic season ends with two straight shutout losses.
Congrats to the Bucs for getting to play the Panthers twice, including a season finale they needed to win.
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Detroit losing the 'play all the starters' gamble.
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Detroit losing the 'play all the starters' gamble.
Haven't seen the game. What's happening, towerr?
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lol. Jags…
https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1744095455917596880?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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lol. Jags…
https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1744095455917596880?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That won’t fly when they move to London
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LaPorta knee, probably out next week.
St. Brown, ribs, in and out, holding ribs
Branch, wrist, they put a splint on it and he cameback in.
Raymond, knee, out.
Can't sit everybody. Injuries happen.
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Panthers points scored each game last 5 weeks.
6
9
30
0
0
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Lions pass defense is shaky
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Jags shat the bed
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Bears/Packers should have been the Sunday night game. Bills/Dolphins certainly lost a lot of luster now.
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All year. Especially against elite receivers.
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Jags shat the bed
Trevor Lawrence lost 5 in a row
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All year. Especially against elite receivers.
I'd be worried if the Rams come to town.
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Jags need to call Tee Higgins and bring him along to London
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I'd be worried if the Rams come to town.
Yep.
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Bears/Packers should have been the Sunday night game. Bills/Dolphins certainly lost a lot of luster now.
My guess is NBC may not have been excited about the Packers on back to back Sunday nights.
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My guess is NBC may not have been excited about the Packers on back to back Sunday nights.
Plus, you’re still deciding a division. 2-seed and playing at home a week or two or being a 6-seed. This game still means a lot
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Arthur Smith looked pretty foolish after that loss.
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Randall Cobb finishes the year with 5 catches for 39 yards and 1 TD
Allen Lazard finishes the year with 23 catches for 311 yards and 1 TD
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Arthur Smith looked pretty foolish after that loss.
Dennis Allen is such a douche. I’m far from a pearl clutcher, but a fake kneel to score a TD with a min left up 24 is bush league
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Lambeau turf is no bueno.
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Dennis Allen is such a douche. I’m far from a pearl clutcher, but a fake kneel to score a TD with a min left up 24 is bush league
I’m more offended by the way Arthur Smith uses Kyle Pitts
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Bears getting bullied on the LOS on both sides of the ball
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I didn’t think that should have been a 1st down.
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I didn’t think that should have been a 1st down.
They definitely should have measured it more precisely. But the official that marked it, and called the 1st down had a more favorable (likely 1st down spot) on the 3rd down run.
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Joe Barry Special!
Quay trying to chase DJ Moore across the middle of the field
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I didn’t think that should have been a 1st down.
I think the right side of the OL left early too.
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Packers lines (both sides of the ball) have been great today.
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Packers lines (both sides of the ball) have been great today.
The improvement by the o-line between now and week 8 is incredible
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The improvement by the o-line between now and week 8 is incredible
Yep. Love wouldn’t have had a chance to develop so much without that improvement.
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Yep. Love wouldn’t have had a chance to develop so much without that improvement.
The sack on the opening drive was a coverage sack. Love has gotten better sliding in the pocket as well. Couple that with him killing the blitz recently and rushing the QB has gotten a lot more difficult
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Yikes.
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WTF just happened there, hey?
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Uh, Philly?
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Uh, Philly?
Matt Patricia is really getting it done.
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Smartest guy in the room.
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Matt Patricia is really getting it done.
Whole thing is a mess. Offense hasn’t been in synch for awhile either
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Dennis Allen is such a douche. I’m far from a pearl clutcher, but a fake kneel to score a TD with a min left up 24 is bush league
Allen told them to take a knee. The players wanted to get Williams a TD.
What that says about Allen as a coach, I don't know. But he didn't call that play and apologized afterwards.
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Packers great on 3rd down. Love playing very well.
Bears D with no significant pressure and soft zone behind.
Loss of Jaylon really impacting the defense for Bears.
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Those of you watching the Detroit game earlier may have noticed a series of quick passes to Josh Reynolds at the end of the game instead of running plays to bleed the clock. Him getting more than 36 receiving yards in the game triggered a $250k bonus. He made it by 8 yards.
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Packers great on 3rd down. Love playing very well.
Bears D with no significant pressure and soft zone behind.
Loss of Jaylon really impacting the defense for Bears.
Can you show examples where that is true, hey?
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Can you show examples where that is true, hey?
You're not watching the game?
Here's the box score that'll reference the 3rd down numbers and Love's stats: https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401547643
If you want the link for Bears D pressure, I can get it for you
You're so cute.
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Can you show examples where that is true, hey?
It’s okay to admit you were wrong on Love.
We’ve all been wrong plenty of times.
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Some things are just so obvious and don't need sources, aina?
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Do the Bears practice how to tackle? WTF?
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Do the Bears practice how to tackle? WTF?
They're going for strips now
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They're going for strips now
:)
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Jordan Fields! (or Justin Love)
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Throw the fking ball. Way too conservative for the 🐻 🐻❄.
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This is on pace to be an incredibly fast played game.
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Bears coaching staff is being severely out coached
Get rid of all of them
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Field's zero passes in the 3Q? I guess that is one way to set the table to draft a new QB.
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Field's zero passes in the 3Q? I guess that is one way to set the table to draft a new QB.
WTF are they doing?
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LaPorta knee, probably out next week.
St. Brown, ribs, in and out, holding ribs
Branch, wrist, they put a splint on it and he cameback in.
Raymond, knee, out.
Can't sit everybody. Injuries happen.
Dang! Sorry to hear about all that.
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A sweep on 2nd and 10?
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This one just has the feel of everything going away from the Packers.
Bears FG clanks in.
Missed Packers FG.
Clock management to end the half.
Love fumble.
Had the Packers intercepted that last one, could have changed momentum. Hope I'm wrong, but kind of has that feel.
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A sweep on 2nd and 10?
Field's and the Bears got very lucky with a dropped INT.
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This one just has the feel of everything going away from the Packers.
Bears FG clanks in.
Missed Packers FG.
Clock management to end the half.
Love fumble.
Had the Packers intercepted that last one, could have changed momentum. Hope I'm wrong, but kind of has that feel.
Jayden Reed
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That same type of play was called a reception in the Lions v. Vikings game.
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Field's and the Bears got very lucky with a dropped INT.
What should da Bears do with the #1 pick?
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Ax Fluffy BM, hey?
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Another horsebleep play call on 2 and 4.
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It’s amazing how few calls Fields gets when he gets annihilated.
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It’s amazing how few calls Fields gets when he gets annihilated.
As of a couple weeks ago, he hasn't received a single flag as runner or thrower this season
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That sack was not on Fields. Not often you can say that.
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As of a couple weeks ago, he hasn't received a single flag as runner or thrower this season
Wasn’t a penalty anyway
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What should da Bears do with the #1 pick?
All I can say is Fields and Company are making the Packers look like the '85 Bears.
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Get rid of this staff.
Can't do anything on offense. Panthers put up how many?
Defense didn't force a single punt.
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This game outcome was definitely best for Chicago long term.
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Ax Fluffy BM, hey?
I was wrong last week when I said they should keep Fields. I see why he is so frustrating. If they feel good about Williams or Maye, I would make that change.
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All that yapping by Chicago this past week and the Packers kicked your butts at the LOS and beat you to make the playoffs. Sad!
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I was wrong last week when I said they should keep Fields. I see why he is so frustrating. If they feel good about Williams or Maye, I would make that change.
I still say keep fields. Trade down. Acquire picks/talent.
Find a QB in another round/another year.
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I'm very glad my gut feeling was wrong. Love had a hell of a game.
The last 3rd down completion was the type of play Rodgers made, before his decline.
Aaron Jones punishing the defenders for a couple extra yards to lock up the win.
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Stafford to finally play a playoff game at Ford Field.
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Bi annual Bears down post.
Maybe someday in his career the best QB in the NFC North will beat the Packers. Hope the Bears can lock him up long term.
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I still say keep fields. Trade down. Acquire picks/talent.
Find a QB in another round/another year.
Fields ain’t it. Processes too slow in the pocket. Keep the pick and hope you get it right
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Fields ain’t it. Processes too slow in the pocket. Keep the pick and hope you get it right
I don't think he's it either.
But I, personally, don't think either of those 2 are worth #1 overall.
Take a later round pick or 2 at QB. Keep fields for his 4th year, but don't sign his 5th yr option.
If Fields doesn't do anything better next year, and you don't like any other QB on your roster, go nuts in 2025 draft.
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I don't think he's it either.
But I, personally, don't think either of those 2 are worth #1 overall.
Take a later round pick or 2 at QB. Keep fields for his 4th year, but don't sign his 5th yr option.
If Fields doesn't do anything better next year, and you don't like any other QB on your roster, go nuts in 2025 draft.
I follow your logic but not all drafts are created equally. If Williams and Maye don't grade out, I'll sign up for your game plan.
I think you are in the vast minority but maybe correct.
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I'm very glad my gut feeling was wrong. Love had a hell of a game.
The last 3rd down completion was the type of play Rodgers made, before his decline.
Aaron Jones punishing the defenders for a couple extra yards to lock up the win.
Both 3rd down conversions on that last drive were impressive as hell.
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I follow your logic but not all drafts are created equally. If Williams and Maye don't grade out, I'll sign up for your game plan.
I think you are in the vast minority but maybe correct.
The haul you could get moving down from #1 is going to be big.
And, again, if you stockpile picks in 2024 and Justin doesn't impress next season, you have ammo to go get a guy you like in 2025.
I'm much more concerned about the coaching staff than I am about the QB situation
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The haul you could get moving down from #1 is going to be big.
And, again, if you stockpile picks in 2024 and Justin doesn't impress next season, you have ammo to go get a guy you like in 2025.
I'm much more concerned about the coaching staff than I am about the QB situation
Understood. I just don't know the quality of next years QB class to endorse that plan.
I am officially over the Fields experiment. I think he could get better but I think he is headed to more injuries and more missed time. He has to run to be successful = injuries; he still holds the ball too long and causes many of his sacks = injuries.
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Understood. I just don't know the quality of next years QB class to endorse that plan.
I am officially over the Fields experiment. I think he could get better but I think he is headed to more injuries and more missed time. He has to run to be successful = injuries; he still holds the ball too long and causes many of his sacks = injuries.
I'm not sold on Eberfluss at all.
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I don't think he's it either.
But I, personally, don't think either of those 2 are worth #1 overall.
Take a later round pick or 2 at QB. Keep fields for his 4th year, but don't sign his 5th yr option.
If Fields doesn't do anything better next year, and you don't like any other QB on your roster, go nuts in 2025 draft.
That's the big question. If the Bears brass believes that Williams, Daniels or Maye is a face-of-franchise-for-decade QB, they should absolutely keep the pick and draft him.
If they're wishy-washy on all of 'em, they should do what you suggest.
Right now, the 2025 QB draft class doesn't look very strong. So that has to play into it, too.
I don't think Fields is the guy, and who knows what the Bears will do with the coaching staff.
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I'm not sold on Eberfluss at all.
I'd take him as a DC.
Losing his DC and RB coach in season is poor HC skills. Add to that, selecting Getsy is not quality staff building.
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That's the big question. If the Bears brass believes that Williams, Daniels or Maye is a face-of-franchise-for-decade QB, they should absolutely keep the pick and draft him.
If they're wishy-washy on all of 'em, they should do what you suggest.
Right now, the 2025 QB draft class doesn't look very strong. So that has to play into it, too.
I don't think Fields is the guy, and who knows what the Bears will do with the coaching staff.
Da Bears shud hire Ditka
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I'd take him as a DC.
Losing his DC and RB coach in season is poor HC skills. Add to that, selecting Getsy is not quality staff building.
Does Harbaugh have interest?
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Panthers points scored each game last 5 weeks.
6
9
30
0
0
And yet Justin Fields could only put up 9 points against the same team that gave Bryce Young two months' worth of points.
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Does Harbaugh have interest?
No idea. I think it will be Chicago, LV or Chargers. I think he will leave Michigan. I'd like it, but I would not be disappointed if it is not him.
While the coach is a huge part of success, we all know the Bears are still rebuilding and need much more talent.
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And yet Justin Fields could only put up 9 points against the same team that gave Bryce Young two months' worth of points.
Completely mutually exclusive from one another.
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This is on pace to be an incredibly fast played game.
A quick search shows that the fastest ever was something like 2:29... and top 5 is about 2:35. I think this might have cracked the top 10 if not the top 5.
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A quick search shows that the fastest ever was something like 2:29... and top 5 is about 2:35. I think this might have cracked the top 10 if not the top 5.
The Bucs-Panthers game seemed crazy fast.
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Bears' post game: Justin said goodbye to Chicago and DJ Moore torched Getsy.
Getsy gone - 110%
Justin gone - 100%
Flus gone - 50%
Poles gone - 10%
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Josh Allen is truly the rightful successor to Brett Favre
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Suppose the Bears decide Fields isn’t the guy but think Williams, Maye, Daniels and Penix are basically equal. Why not trade with the Giants (#6?), trade Fields and take whatever QB falls to them. They’d have their QB, the #9 pick, whatever Fields brings and whatever the Giants pay to move up. A possibility?
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Suppose the Bears decide Fields isn’t the guy but think Williams, Maye, Daniels and Penix are basically equal. Why not trade with the Giants (#6?), trade Fields and take whatever QB falls to them. They’d have their QB, the #9 pick, whatever Fields brings and whatever the Giants pay to move up. A possibility?
I think that works for most positions , but usually teams zero in on a specific quarterback and don’t want to play around.
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Suppose the Bears decide Fields isn’t the guy but think Williams, Maye, Daniels and Penix are basically equal. Why not trade with the Giants (#6?), trade Fields and take whatever QB falls to them. They’d have their QB, the #9 pick, whatever Fields brings and whatever the Giants pay to move up. A possibility?
If the medicals check out on Penix, I'm all in on this if I'm Poles. See if you can get the Pat's to come up to one, get MHJ, then work to come up/come away with your guy.
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Quay Walker on Justin Fields: "We know anytime we can take away his first read, whether we’re in man or zone, he’s pretty much going to take off. Whenever we can keep him in the pocket and allow him just to play QB, and not allow him to run, we have a real, real good chance.”
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I think that works for most positions , but usually teams zero in on a specific quarterback and don’t want to play around.
True. Like when the Bears zeroed in on Trubisky, traded a boatload to move up so they wouldn’t get stuck with DeShaun Watson or (perish the thought) Patrick Mahomes.
But while I agree that you’re probably right, and also conceding that I’m no scout, the little I’ve seen of the 4 would make me at least as comfortable with 3 or 4 as I’d be with 1 or 2.
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Josh Allen just completed one of the lowest IQ halves of football from an established “star” QB that I’ve seen in a LONNNG time
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Josh Allen just completed one of the lowest IQ halves of football from an established “star” QB that I’ve seen in a LONNNG time
Enormous physical gifts but he’s never been known as the most cerebral to play the position.
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Josh Allen just completed one of the lowest IQ halves of football from an established “star” QB that I’ve seen in a LONNNG time
And yet, still much better than Fields >:(
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Enormous physical gifts but he’s never been known as the most cerebral to play the position.
And those enormous physical gifts carried the Bill in the 2nd half.
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Black Monday started at 12:01 am EST as the Falcons fire Arthur Smith.
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I don't think he's it either.
But I, personally, don't think either of those 2 are worth #1 overall.
Take a later round pick or 2 at QB. Keep fields for his 4th year, but don't sign his 5th yr option.
If Fields doesn't do anything better next year, and you don't like any other QB on your roster, go nuts in 2025 draft.
This is exactly what I would do. He isn't the one costing the Bears wins. Surround him with good players and if he's losing them games next year then you move on.
They need to field a team before they just trot the next guy out there to get trashed.
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Quay Walker on Justin Fields: "We know anytime we can take away his first read, whether we’re in man or zone, he’s pretty much going to take off. Whenever we can keep him in the pocket and allow him just to play QB, and not allow him to run, we have a real, real good chance.”
Funny take from a guy who couldn't cover a dog bed with a king sized sheet.
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Funny take from a guy who couldn't cover a dog bed with a king sized sheet.
He’s right. Fields is a 1-read QB who doesn’t see the field at all
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Walker got caught up in the wash the play where he got stuck on Moore, otherwise he had a fine game.
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This is exactly what I would do. He isn't the one costing the Bears wins. Surround him with good players and if he's losing them games next year then you move on.
They need to field a team before they just trot the next guy out there to get trashed.
Fields isn't costing them wins, but he sure isn't earning them wins either.
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Fields isn't costing them wins, but he sure isn't earning them wins either.
I think thats probably the unfortunate best summation of him right now. Despite him being up and down last year, there was a few times he was down right heroic and put them in a position where they should have won. He hasn't done that this year.
That being said, I still want them to trade out of #1 cause of what Hards said. They need a bunch more talent and can still take a QB in the first round while doing so. Fairly certain if they trade down from #1, they can still get a Penix/Daniels at their other pick at #9.
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I'm not sure they need "a bunch" more talent. If I were a Bears' fan I would be pretty optimistic about how this season ended. And if you feel that Williams or someone else is all that, they should go for it.
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Chicago is in an enviable position. I hope for their sake they don't end up with paralysis by analysis.
Can you win a SB with Fields? Y/N
Do you think one of the College QBs is demonstrably better? Y/N
If you stick with Fields, is there enough talent at other positions in the draft to turn other weaknesses into strengths? Y/N
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Walker got caught up in the wash the play where he got stuck on Moore, otherwise he had a fine game.
He gets torched every week in coverage.
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The Bears have always been risk averse. They have rewarded mediocre and sold losing to the fans. This has been a long term issue.
As Packer fans, we all hated the Love draft pick. The SB window was open and Gutey went after a guy who had no chance to play. Luckily for us, Gutey wasn’t afraid to take a risk. He did it again last year, taking 4 receivers in the first 5 rounds. Obviously positions of need, but still a huge gamble with other positions of need and an uncertainty at the QB position.
This is the year the Bears can make a bold move. Do they have it in them?
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He gets torched every week in coverage.
Good coaches work to get favorable coverages through a myriad of schemes. Happens to linebackers all the time.
That being said, Walker is just Blake Martinez, right now. Lotsa tackles - few of them meaningful. Not very good in zone pass coverage. But with a new DC, I think he has a chance to be pretty good.
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Chicago is in an enviable position. I hope for their sake they don't end up with paralysis by analysis.
Can you win a SB with Fields? Y/N
Do you think one of the College QBs is demonstrably better? Y/N
If you stick with Fields, is there enough talent at other positions in the draft to turn other weaknesses into strengths? Y/N
Worse QBs have won Super Bowls. Hell, the Bears went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.
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I'm not sure they need "a bunch" more talent. If I were a Bears' fan I would be pretty optimistic about how this season ended. And if you feel that Williams or someone else is all that, they should go for it.
Depends how you view “bunch” but I don’t think they are just a QB away from being a Super Bowl contender or top 3-4 NFC team
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Worse QBs have won Super Bowls. Hell, the Bears went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.
One year flukes and game managers don’t make for a great team. Or build for the future. In fact, they do the opposite.
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As Packer fans, we all hated the Love draft pick.
Ahem.
The Packers used a similar value pick on Rodgers back in 2005. The Packers were coming off a Wild Card playoff loss, and the time was ticking on Favre's career. The next year sucked, going 4-12 in Sherman's last year, but they were in the NFC Championship Game two year after that. And Rodgers had no impact in any of those years.
Moral of the story? It doesn't matter if their window is right now. Not every player has to be in that window. Let's see what happens the right of the draft and the rest of the off-season.
I have no idea if Love is the guy or not. I'm not smart enough to know if that's the case or not. But Rodgers has 2, maybe 3 years left in a Packers uniform in my opinion. If they feel *that* strongly about Love, it's not a terrible pick.
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Instead of throwing another drink, Tepper throws GM Scott Fitterer out of the Panthers organization.
Rudderless.
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Ahem.
“Most of us” rather than “all”? :)
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Instead of throwing another drink, Tepper throws GM Scott Fitterer out of the Panthers organization.
Rudderless.
Understand what Tepper is, but as a Panthers fan, was it a deserved firing or just Tepper being Tepper?
Does the success of Stroud going to a terrible team cloud our judgment on expectations for a rookie QB? Did the GM in Carolina do enough to help Young out?
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Worse QBs have won Super Bowls. Hell, the Bears went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.
Sure, but were the low end ones paid like T-10 QBs? Or were they on the cheap, which allowed for the rest of the roster to be stacked?
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Sure, but were the low end ones paid like T-10 QBs? Or were they on the cheap, which allowed for the rest of the roster to be stacked?
Fields is due 6m next year, that's incredibly cheap at 2.4% of the cap.
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Fields is due 6m next year, that's incredibly cheap at 2.4% of the cap.
Right but they aren't winning the Super Bowl next year. By the time the picks that they'd be receiving for the #1 grow a bit and the roster has a chance to be a Super Bowl roster, he'll be getting $20M+ for his 5th year option, or like $25-$28M/year on his extension.
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Fields isn't costing them wins, but he sure isn't earning them wins either.
Not true. You can make a reasonable argument to stay with Fields and certainly the roster needs more talent (only year 1 of the rebuild) but to say Fields hasn't cost them games is dishonest. If Fields puts up say 23 TDs instead of 16, the Bears don't win more? Keep in mind the Bears have some of the fewest dropped passes in the NFL. But, I would agree that he is not the biggest reason for the loses.
I think your point that he doesn't 'win' games is also very true. The biggest reason, by far, for the improved play the last half of the season is the defense.
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He gets torched every week in coverage.
True, but I don't think there's a lot of expectation he should be keeping up with DJ Moore.
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True, but I don't think there's a lot of expectation he should be keeping up with DJ Moore.
No, of course not. But he also fails in coverage against basically every TE and RB.
It's easily his weakest attribute on defense.
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Right but they aren't winning the Super Bowl next year. By the time the picks that they'd be receiving for the #1 grow a bit and the roster has a chance to be a Super Bowl roster, he'll be getting $20M+ for his 5th year option, or like $25-$28M/year on his extension.
Your also making a big assumption he will stay healthy.
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IDK. It feels like sticking with a mediocre quarterback because "he doesn't lose games" and hoping for Dilfer-esque results is a very Bearsy thing to do. And that just hasn't worked for them in a long time.
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IDK. It feels like sticking with a mediocre quarterback because "he doesn't lose games" and hoping for Dilfer-esque results is a very Bearsy thing to do. And that just hasn't worked for them in a long time.
I think a very Bearsy thing to do is to draft a new QB and fire the coaching staff. Fill the needs and if a QB is around or you get a deal for Fields take it, obviously.
Either way, they're going to be fine since they've got two top 10 picks.
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It might be time for CBS to move on from Romo. That was not good by any stretch yesterday.
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(I think) the math comes out to:
Williams/Maye + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved by resetting the QB pay scale
vs
Fields + players picked with trading #1 + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved on roster spots filled with those picks
I get that the latter is attractive because its way more stuff. But you still have to hit on those picks too, and you aren't saving as much money as you are not having to pay a QB. Oddly, I think the risk of variance is HIGHER sticking with Fields than drafting a QB. If the Fields standard is "he's fine with a great roster around him," I think the odds are > 50% that Williams or Maye would be able to also reach that standard by year 3, and I think the odds of providing that roster are higher resetting the QB pay scale than hoping to hit on the picks you get for #1.
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Fairly certain if they trade down from #1, they can still get a Penix/Daniels at their other pick at #9.
I agree with trading down, but there is no way they get Daniels at #9. Wouldn’t shock me if he went #1. Penix? Maybe.
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It might be time for CBS to move on from Romo. That was not good by any stretch yesterday.
100%. He was better as a rookie than he is now.
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(I think) the math comes out to:
Williams/Maye + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved by resetting the QB pay scale
vs
Fields + players picked with trading #1 + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved on roster spots filled with those picks
I get that the latter is attractive because its way more stuff. But you still have to hit on those picks too, and you aren't saving as much money as you are not having to pay a QB. Oddly, I think the risk of variance is HIGHER sticking with Fields than drafting a QB. If the Fields standard is "he's fine with a great roster around him," I think the odds are > 50% that Williams or Maye would be able to also reach that standard by year 3, and I think the odds of providing that roster are higher resetting the QB pay scale than hoping to hit on the picks you get for #1.
I don't really disagree, but if the Bears pick Williams or Maye at #1 and either of them end up in the Fields situation everyone will be far angrier than if they have a better overall team. But Maye or Williams could go elsewhere and be great. That's why the GM gets the big bucks. They get to gamble with a franchise. :)
Alternatively, they could take the trade and grab a QB other than the two marquee guys. There have been plenty of drafts where the lower rated guys end up being better pros. Which is why I'd just chill. Especially since the last couple of QB choices in the top 5 by the Bears haven't exactly panned out well.
Lower the hype around QB and set the table for the next guy or Fields in his final year before his option.
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(I think) the math comes out to:
Williams/Maye + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved by resetting the QB pay scale
vs
Fields + players picked with trading #1 + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved on roster spots filled with those picks
I get that the latter is attractive because its way more stuff. But you still have to hit on those picks too, and you aren't saving as much money as you are not having to pay a QB. Oddly, I think the risk of variance is HIGHER sticking with Fields than drafting a QB. If the Fields standard is "he's fine with a great roster around him," I think the odds are > 50% that Williams or Maye would be able to also reach that standard by year 3, and I think the odds of providing that roster are higher resetting the QB pay scale than hoping to hit on the picks you get for #1.
I don't think it's nearly so complicated.
The best, and arguably only, way to build a consistent winner in the NFL is through a top 10 (preferably top 5) level quarterback.
If you don't think Fields can be that guy - and I don't know why anyone would - then you move on and draft someone who might be that guy.
Putting a lot ot talent around a mediocre QB makes you the early Andy Dalton-era Bengals or the Jake Delhomme Panthers.
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I don't think it's nearly so complicated.
The best, and arguably only, way to build a consistent winner in the NFL is through a top 10 (preferably top 5) level quarterback.
If you don't think Fields can be that guy - and I don't know why anyone would - then you move on and draft someone who might be that guy.
Putting a lot ot talent around a mediocre QB makes you the early Andy Dalton-era Bengals or the Jake Delhomme Panthers.
But whiffing makes you the Bears and the fan base is over that.
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It might be time for CBS to move on from Romo. That was not good by any stretch yesterday.
Ha! That was my first time watching one of his games this year. You are spot on, that was ugly. Just to start the game he made the Packers and Bears sound like they were both 16-0, averaging 50pts per game and allowing 0pts per game.
I used to like him but I guess he is just mailing it in. He doesn't sound like he is watching the entire game.
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It does seem like Romo is going through the motions. He really has slipped over past several years and maybe should stick with golfing.
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But whiffing makes you the Bears and the fan base is over that.
If the Bears are trying to avoid wiffs, then its time to relegate them to the SEC. Pro football is based upon drafting players, not recruiting. If they can't properly evaluate talent, then change the FO, don't give up trying to win.
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But whiffing makes you the Bears and the fan base is over that.
No one ever hit a home run by choking up and trying to slap one through the infield.
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If the Bears are trying to avoid wiffs, then its time to relegate them to the SEC. Pro football is based upon drafting players, not recruiting. If they can't properly evaluate talent, then change the FO, don't give up trying to win.
Yeah, if you are confident in what you are doing, you also don't give a rip what the fanbase thinks cause they're a bunch of meatheads.
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To me, the best outcome would be if they evaluated Daniels as special, and New England did not. If the process played out and New England wanted to move up to 1, and the Bears got some type of package to move to 3, and take Daniels there.
If I had to predict what will happen, I think they’ll take Williams at one, fire Getsy, and hire Frank Reich as offensive coordinator.
This isn’t an endorsement of that prediction, I just think that’s a Bears type thing to do. To be clear, their entire coaching staff should be let go immediately in my opinion.
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To me, the best outcome would be if they evaluated Daniels as special, and New England did not. If the process played out and New England wanted to move up to 1, and the Bears got some type of package to move to 3, and take Daniels there.
If I had to predict what will happen, I think they’ll take Williams at one, fire Getsy, and hire Frank Reich as offensive coordinator.
This isn’t an endorsement of that prediction, I just think that’s a Bears type thing to do. To be clear, their entire coaching staff should be let go immediately in my opinion.
I wonder if, with Rivera out in Washington, the Bears make a run at Bienemy. He's got ties to both Poles and Warren, and could he a head coach-in-waiting if they give Eberflus a short leash in 2024.
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It does seem like Romo is going through the motions. He really has slipped over past several years and maybe should stick with golfing.
Not to be an apologist, but I think Romo got reigned in/corrected when he was being TOO analytical and football nerdy early on. Calling out plays, precise reads of formations, etc... Wasn't simple and basic enough for the layman viewer. Then from there, in a neutered form, he slowly morphed into the generic fawning color guy. He was always enthusiastic and positive, but without the nuance and excessive football detail, it just seems bland and overly peppy.
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No one ever hit a home run by choking up and trying to slap one through the infield.
But they put the ball in play, something the Bears haven't done in a decade.
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Not to be an apologist, but I think Romo got reigned in/corrected when he was being TOO analytical and football nerdy early on. Calling out plays, precise reads of formations, etc... Wasn't simple and basic enough for the layman viewer. Then from there, in a neutered form, he slowly morphed into the generic fawning color guy. He was always enthusiastic and positive, but without the nuance and excessive football detail, it just seems bland and overly peppy.
Yep, and I loved the first iteration of him.
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To me, the best outcome would be if they evaluated Daniels as special, and New England did not. If the process played out and New England wanted to move up to 1, and the Bears got some type of package to move to 3, and take Daniels there.
If I had to predict what will happen, I think they’ll take Williams at one, fire Getsy, and hire Frank Reich as offensive coordinator.
This isn’t an endorsement of that prediction, I just think that’s a Bears type thing to do. To be clear, their entire coaching staff should be let go immediately in my opinion.
Agreed on "best" outcome. I don't know that any of these QBs are a sure-fire deal. Skills-wise, it's Williams and I'm not sure it's close. But temperment matters, and he's invited some criticism there and some of it's fair.
I'm all-in on Penix, but either way, there is no outcome othe Bears can take other than grabbing the guy they think has the best shot at being elite, whether or not you get him at 1.
Their defense is very very good, but defense is incredibly volatile over the intermediate term. Unless you have transcendent talents (they don't), you just can't hang your hat on that for the long run.
As far as the coaching staff, it seemed that Eberflus was a steadying influence this year after all of the initial disruption. But back to my point on defense being volatile... this is the risk of a defensive-minded head coach. If your OC is bad, you go down with the ship. If your OC is elite, they become HCs and you start over. It's obviously worked for a # of coaches who are true leaders, but it's a risk.
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Ha! That was my first time watching one of his games this year. You are spot on, that was ugly. Just to start the game he made the Packers and Bears sound like they were both 16-0, averaging 50pts per game and allowing 0pts per game.
I used to like him but I guess he is just mailing it in. He doesn't sound like he is watching the entire game.
There is one word that he loves to use - "Jim".
Maybe start by talking to the viewer rather than your sidekick?
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I'm all-in on Penix, but either way, there is no outcome othe Bears can take other than grabbing the guy they think has the best shot at being elite, whether or not you get him at 1.
Pennix would be the most Bearsy pick ever. Just veer from one extreme to the other to fix things. He is easily the most immobile QB being considered anywhere near the top of the draft. I really like him as a passer, but for a guy like that, you need OL who are pass protectors first and run blockers second - the opposite of what they now have.
My prediction is that the Bears run it back next year with Fields, eberflus, and Getsy. because that's what the Bears do. That is what mediocre teams do.
Maybe Poles will earn his money and take some risks. They are sorely needed. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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It might be time for CBS to move on from Romo. That was not good by any stretch yesterday.
If this game was the only analysis of the Packers I had heard all season, I'd have thought Barry was one of the best DCs in the NFL. Romo's just not very good.
It’s amazing how few calls Fields gets when he gets annihilated.
The same was true of Cam Newton. I sometimes think the ref looks at the size and running ability of a QB and says, "Eh, he's tough enough to take a hit." It's horrible officiating - that hit Fields took after he slid yesterday shoulda been a penalty and probably shoulda been reviewed for targeting.
Newton took hits like that all the time, and it shortened his career.
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Not to be an apologist, but I think Romo got reigned in/corrected when he was being TOO analytical and football nerdy early on. Calling out plays, precise reads of formations, etc... Wasn't simple and basic enough for the layman viewer. Then from there, in a neutered form, he slowly morphed into the generic fawning color guy. He was always enthusiastic and positive, but without the nuance and excessive football detail, it just seems bland and overly peppy.
100%, no notes.
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Just because they trade out of #1 doesn't require them to pay Fields.
If Poles/coaches truly think a QB in this draft is franchise material, then draft them and trade Fields.
But I don't think they should make that move just because they think Fields isn't a franchise QB.
Regardless, my bigger concern as a Chicago fan is the coaching staff. That entire staff should already be fired.
Otherwise, we likely continue with the circus of a staff picks a QB. Then that staff gets fired while the QB sticks around. The new staff didn't want that QB. Etc etc
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If this game was the only analysis of the Packers I had heard all season, I'd have thought Barry was one of the best DCs in the NFL. Romo's just not very good.
The same was true of Cam Newton. I sometimes think the ref looks at the size and running ability of a QB and says, "Eh, he's tough enough to take a hit." It's horrible officiating - that hit Fields took after he slid yesterday shoulda been a penalty and probably shoulda been reviewed for targeting.
Newton took hits like that all the time, and it shortened his career.
It wasn't flagged because it wasn't a penalty. The defender was already in motion towards Fields when he started to slide. Furthermore, Owens hit Fields with his body. There was no helmet to helmet contact, and not even shoulder to helmet.
Was it unfortunate that Fields' head bounced off the turf? Absolutely. I hate seeing that. But it wasn't a penalty.
If you want my strange opinion, the slide has hurt as many QBs as it has seemingly saved. Sure, more penalties get called but I've seen a LOT of guys slide like Fields did and it puts their head right in the zone where a defensive guy is told to aim. Waist level. We've also seen guys slide poorly and hurt their lower body. I'd love to see an in depth analysis of how many QBs have been hurt by sliding. And now, to clarify, I'm not sure what the solution is.
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(I think) the math comes out to:
Williams/Maye + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved by resetting the QB pay scale
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Fields + players picked with trading #1 + roster upgrades purchased w/ money saved on roster spots filled with those picks
I get that the latter is attractive because its way more stuff. But you still have to hit on those picks too, and you aren't saving as much money as you are not having to pay a QB. Oddly, I think the risk of variance is HIGHER sticking with Fields than drafting a QB. If the Fields standard is "he's fine with a great roster around him," I think the odds are > 50% that Williams or Maye would be able to also reach that standard by year 3, and I think the odds of providing that roster are higher resetting the QB pay scale than hoping to hit on the picks you get for #1.
Here's my thoughts, that no one asked for, on the topic.
The Bears have been bad, and have been getting and using top picks for awhile to accumulate talent. They still suck. Why?
Because Love's season would have been the all-time best season for a Bears QB. They need a QB. The last decade has shown that accumulating talent through picks isn't enough.
Fields isn't the QB. Imagine if this Bears team had Stroud instead. They'd be a playoff team.
They didn't go that route, traded down, accumulated more picks and now still need a QB. Be bold, find your guy and go get him.
Getting talent, and then constantly trading it away in "resets" because you need a QB is a decades long losing problem.
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I wonder if, with Rivera out in Washington, the Bears make a run at Bienemy. He's got ties to both Poles and Warren, and could he a head coach-in-waiting if they give Eberflus a short leash in 2024.
It’s funny you say that, at a family holiday party this past weekend, I said I thought it might be Bienemy. I remembered then that Reich and Eberflus worked together in Indy, and I think if they run it back with Eberflus, he’d be more comfortable with Reich.
The worst thing is bringing back Eberflus just to fire him a year from today, and do all of this over again, with not aligning QB/HC/OC on same onboarding timeframe. At that point, Poles is in trouble too. Bears wash/rinse/repeat over forever.
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Here's my thoughts, that no one asked for, on the topic.
The Bears have been bad, and have been getting and using top picks for awhile to accumulate talent. They still suck. Why?
Because Love's season would have been the all-time best season for a Bears QB. They need a QB. The last decade has shown that accumulating talent through picks isn't enough.
Fields isn't the QB. Imagine if this Bears team had Stroud instead. They'd be a playoff team.
They didn't go that route, traded down, accumulated more picks and now still need a QB. Be bold, find your guy and go get him.
Getting talent, and then constantly trading it away in "resets" because you need a QB is a decades long losing problem.
Wrong.
The bears haven't had a coaching staff competent enough to scheme or develop talent in years
The Bears could have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky or Stroud instead of Fields or acquired Lamar or Allen or anyone.
The individual player's talent is nearly irrelevant
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Wrong.
The bears haven't had a coaching staff competent enough to scheme or develop talent in years
The Bears could have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky or Stroud instead of Fields or acquired Lamar or Allen or anyone.
The individual player's talent is nearly irrelevant
So, what you’re saying is, the current QB and coaching staff both stink?
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Wrong.
The bears haven't had a coaching staff competent enough to scheme or develop talent in years
The Bears could have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky or Stroud instead of Fields or acquired Lamar or Allen or anyone.
The individual player's talent is nearly irrelevant
Uh...what?
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My prediction is that the Bears run it back next year with Fields, eberflus, and Getsy. because that's what the Bears do. That is what mediocre teams do.
It is also equally as possible that the Packers will trade for Rodgers. - Fields & Moore have taken shots at Getsy and Eberflus said he is disappointed in the offense. At 'bear' minimum Getsy is gone and he may self-terminate.
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Understand what Tepper is, but as a Panthers fan, was it a deserved firing or just Tepper being Tepper?
Does the success of Stroud going to a terrible team cloud our judgment on expectations for a rookie QB? Did the GM in Carolina do enough to help Young out?
I'm glad he got fired because the vast majority of his draft picks and FA signings failed, and he really effed up the Brian Burns situation.
But you make a good point - with the Panthers, you don't know how hamstrung he was. Fitterer's first two years, Rhule theoretically had the final say on any moves, and Fitterer's last year, the big decisions (head coach and QB) had Tepper's fingerprints all over them.
I for one will not fault Fitterer/Tepper for drafting Young over Stroud, because if I'm to be honest I'd have done the same. Young played his rookie season behind a terrible line and with WRs who couldn't get open. He might prove to be no good - and the decision to draft him instead of Stroud after trading so much to move up could haunt the franchise for a decade - but I want to give Young another couple of years, hopefully with better coaching and talent around him (though I'm not holding my breath).
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I'm glad he got fired because the vast majority of his draft picks and FA signings failed, and he really effed up the Brian Burns situation.
But you make a good point - with the Panthers, you don't know how hamstrung he was. Fitterer's first two years, Rhule theoretically had the final say on any moves, and Fitterer's last year, the big decisions (head coach and QB) had Tepper's fingerprints all over them.
I for one will not fault Fitterer/Tepper for drafting Young over Stroud, because if I'm to be honest I'd have done the same. Young played his rookie season behind a terrible line and with WRs who couldn't get open. He might prove to be no good - and the decision to draft him instead of Stroud after trading so much to move up could haunt the franchise for a decade - but I want to give Young another couple of years, hopefully with better coaching and talent around him (though I'm not holding my breath).
Trading a WR1 to draft your QB1 who has only thrown to high-end talent is certainly a choice.
Even I know it was the cost of doing business, but if you felt like you didn't have another year to spare and the Bears wouldn't take a 1st 3 years out, then the indictment is shared by both Fitterer and Tepper.
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Uh...what?
The bears coaches stink.
Had the bears kept their pick from last draft and taken Stroud at #1, I predict they finish roughly the same this year with Stroud instead of Fields.
Because their coaches and strategy is terrible.
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Trading a WR1 to draft your QB1 who has only thrown to high-end talent is certainly a choice.
Even I know it was the cost of doing business, but if you felt like you didn't have another year to spare and the Bears wouldn't take a 1st 3 years out, then the indictment is shared by both Fitterer and Tepper.
Totally agree - I would not have made that trade for the #1 pick. I'd have continued building talent, would have gotten more of a game-manager QB, probably would have kept last year's interim as HC (Steve Wilks) and seen what happened.
But once Tepper/Federer made the trade for the #1 pick, I can't argue with selecting Young because that's who I would have taken. That's all I was saying. You're right that they gave up far too much, including (and maybe especially) Moore.
I think they deluded themselves into thinking they actually had a pretty good team because they went 6-6 under Wilks and the O line run-blocked well for the scheme Wilks favored, so they thought they could plug in Young and actually improve. But then Tepper fired the coach who made it work and brought in a pass-happy coaching team, and, well ... 2-15!
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Pennix would be the most Bearsy pick ever. Just veer from one extreme to the other to fix things. He is easily the most immobile QB being considered anywhere near the top of the draft. I really like him as a passer, but for a guy like that, you need OL who are pass protectors first and run blockers second - the opposite of what they now have.
My prediction is that the Bears run it back next year with Fields, eberflus, and Getsy. because that's what the Bears do. That is what mediocre teams do.
Maybe Poles will earn his money and take some risks. They are sorely needed. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Just because he’s a pocket passer doesn’t mean he’s immobile. He escapes pressure and steps up with the best of them. One of the best deep balls in college I’ve ever seen. Pair that with Moore and MH jr and I think you’ve got some fun.
What if they draft those two, pick up fields option and if it’s time to move on you have Penix ready in the wings
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I've been hearing we can't really evaluate the Bears QB because the coaching staff sucks for what feels like my entire lifetime. Probably true because when these QBs move on to new teams they kill it. Oh wait...
The idea that some Bears fans throw around that the Bears' outlook would be no different had they drafted Mahomes instead of Trubisky is absolutely hilarious. Mahomes is an all time great. Trubisky was a one year college starter for a okay program. He has continued to stink as a quarterback with the Bills and Steelers. The Bears would be awesome with Mahomes, just like any franchise in the NFL would be awesome with Mahomes.
Justin Fields isn't bad at quarterback because of the Bears coaching staff. He's bad at quarterback because he's a running back.
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I've been hearing we can't really evaluate the Bears QB because the coaching staff sucks for what feels like my entire lifetime. Probably true because when these QBs move on to new teams they kill it. Oh wait...
The idea that some Bears fans throw around that the Bears' outlook would be no different had they drafted Mahomes instead of Trubisky is absolutely hilarious. Mahomes is an all time great. Trubisky was a one year college starter for a okay program. He has continued to stink as a quarterback with the Bills and Steelers. The Bears would be awesome with Mahomes, just like any franchise in the NFL would be awesome with Mahomes.
Justin Fields isn't bad at quarterback because of the Bears coaching staff. He's bad at quarterback because he's a running back.
Is the assertion here that every NFL QB that has failed is a result only of the individual QBs talent and has nothing to do with the coaching staff or team around him?
Have there been any instances of a QB that failed in one place and succeeded in another? Or vice versa?
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Is the assertion here that every NFL QB that has failed is a result only of the individual QBs talent and has nothing to do with the coaching staff or team around him?
Have there been any instances of a QB that failed in one place and succeeded in another? Or vice versa?
Coaching can definitely help a player, but the idea that any QB that goes to the Bears is doomed is hilarious. I'll take the talented QB with the bad coaching staff over Brandon Zappe or Mac Jones with Bill Belichick.
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Is the assertion here that every NFL QB that has failed is a result only of the individual QBs talent and has nothing to do with the coaching staff or team around him?
Have there been any instances of a QB that failed in one place and succeeded in another? Or vice versa?
Sure there have been some instances. Probably the most famous is Steve Young.
But by and large, if quarterback busts have any improvement, its simply marginal.
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Is the assertion here that every NFL QB that has failed is a result only of the individual QBs talent and has nothing to do with the coaching staff or team around him?
Have there been any instances of a QB that failed in one place and succeeded in another? Or vice versa?
I think there are plenty of QBs whose development has been hampered by bad coaching - or too many coaching changes - but I don't think there are many/any examples in which that's the only or primary thing that prevented success.
Most highly drafted QBs get multiple chances in the league after washing out with their first team. See: Trubisky, Wentz, Darnold, Rosen, Jameis, Bortles, EJ Manuel, etc. The ones who don't get second chances tend to be guys with obvious character/ethic concerns, i.e. Manziel, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf.
It's seems super rare that these guys are subpar at their first or second stop and then get good with better coaching. Sultan mentioned Young, but he was really good in the USFL before struggling in Tampa - where, it should be noted, he only played 19 games.
I guess you could throw Tannehill in the conversation ... he never developed into a guy you'd take with the #8 overall pick, but he had some better than average seasons in Tennessee.
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Good responses.
You'll never convince me the bears have had good offensive coaching in the past 25 years.
They could also have drafted/acquired terrible QBs during that stretch.
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I think there are 4 main things you look for. In order:
1. Reading defenses.
2. Accuracy.
3. Pocket presence.
4. Mobility.
I think the 1st two are most critical - Trubisky & Fields are great examples. But most ‘busts’ have issues with 2 of the first 3.
Love could stand to improve his accuracy, but the other 3 look good.
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Good responses.
You'll never convince me the bears have had good offensive coaching in the past 25 years.
They could also have drafted/acquired terrible QBs during that stretch.
Maybe a combination?
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I've been hearing we can't really evaluate the Bears QB because the coaching staff sucks for what feels like my entire lifetime. Probably true because when these QBs move on to new teams they kill it. Oh wait...
The idea that some Bears fans throw around that the Bears' outlook would be no different had they drafted Mahomes instead of Trubisky is absolutely hilarious. Mahomes is an all time great. Trubisky was a one year college starter for a okay program. He has continued to stink as a quarterback with the Bills and Steelers. The Bears would be awesome with Mahomes, just like any franchise in the NFL would be awesome with Mahomes.
Justin Fields isn't bad at quarterback because of the Bears coaching staff. He's bad at quarterback because he's a running back.
Ignoring the annoying running back shtick, I will never forget this.
“While Trubisky didn't ooze charisma like Mahomes and Watson, Pace deeply admired his humility. He valued Trubisky's family support system and dedicated approach.”
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Ignoring the annoying running back shtick, I will never forget this.
“While Trubisky didn't ooze charisma like Mahomes and Watson, Pace deeply admired his humility. He valued Trubisky's family support system and dedicated approach.”
Was Pace a dentist?
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Ignoring the annoying running back shtick, I will never forget this.
“While Trubisky didn't ooze charisma like Mahomes and Watson, Pace deeply admired his humility. He valued Trubisky's family support system and dedicated approach.”
Rich Campbell had the same qualities. Very religious. But sucked at football.
A bigger bust than Mandarich.
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Rich Campbell had the same qualities. Very religious. But sucked at football.
A bigger bust than Mandarich.
The number six pick in the draft and never started a game.
Part of this is because Lynn Dickey finally stayed healthy and was pretty darn good.
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There is a idea that the best teams draft based upon talent not need. If you accept that to be true, then even if Fields is a good QB but through a deft trade you get the #1 pick you owe it to your team to take a great talent to replace the good talent.
The importance of the QB is reflected in the high draft position and later the huge cap allocation. Trying to upgrade the QB position with a #1 pick is not terribly unique or devoid of logic.
If the Bears don't think highly of this years crop, then keep Fields. We will all know in 1 year if they are correct, and so will Poles' real estate agent. :D
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If Michigan wins tonight, Harbaugh to Bears becomes a possibility. Would be interesting to see what Harbaugh would do with Fields and Bears draft choices.
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The scenario is the same if Washington wins.
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If Michigan wins tonight, Harbaugh to Bears becomes a possibility. Would be interesting to see what Harbaugh would do with Fields and Bears draft choices.
He’d trade Fields because he’s terrible
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There is a idea that the best teams draft based upon talent not need. If you accept that to be true, then even if Fields is a good QB but through a deft trade you get the #1 pick you owe it to your team to take a great talent to replace the good talent.
The importance of the QB is reflected in the high draft position and later the huge cap allocation. Trying to upgrade the QB position with a #1 pick is not terribly unique or devoid of logic.
If the Bears don't think highly of this years crop, then keep Fields. We will all know in 1 year if they are correct, and so will Poles' real estate agent. :D
I don't care how good a QB is. If the OL stinks so will the QB.
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Is the assertion here that every NFL QB that has failed is a result only of the individual QBs talent and has nothing to do with the coaching staff or team around him?
Have there been any instances of a QB that failed in one place and succeeded in another? Or vice versa?
Alex Smith
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Geno Smith?
Baker Mayfield?
Brett Favre coming from Atlanta?
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Alex Smith
If “success” means “slightly above average for a season or two,” then sure.
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Geno Smith?
Baker Mayfield?
Brett Favre coming from Atlanta?
Geno maybe. Baker’s as mediocre as Alex Smith. Favre’s not a great example spending just his rookie year there on the bench.
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Alex Smith
Smith played really well his last two seasons in San Francisco.
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He’d trade Fields because he’s terrible
And from Ohio State.
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I don't care how good a QB is. If the OL stinks so will the QB.
Agreed. The Bears will continue to invest, via draft and FA, in the line. They we not awful most of the season, Fields causes more sacks than the average QB, but no doubt they need to upgrade the line. Easier to fix than QB.
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If I’m the Bears I’m taking Williams and then an O lineman and taking any draft capital I can get for Fields.
I would not want anything to do with Penix in the top 10. Would rather have Daniels.
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If I’m the Bears I’m taking Williams and then an O lineman and taking any draft capital I can get for Fields.
I would not want anything to do with Penix in the top 10. Would rather have Daniels.
I’d trade the top pick to the Packers for Anders Carlson
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And from Ohio State.
Eh. If a guy helps him win a Super Bowl, he’ll be fine wherever they’re from
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What we saw tonight from Penix (NFL type defensive scheme and a very good defense) is what would give me a lot of pause about drafting him in round 1.
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What we saw tonight from Penix (NFL type defensive scheme and a very good defense) is what would give me a lot of pause about drafting him in round 1.
Fields fans would say you can't judge a QB on one game (or 38 games ;D)
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What we saw tonight from Penix (NFL type defensive scheme and a very good defense) is what would give me a lot of pause about drafting him in round 1.
Yep. As impressed as I was with him last week, I was disappointed in him this week. Failed to see numerous open receivers, failed to connect on some fairly routine throws that could have made it a different game. He didn't get a lot of help from his teammates, but he didn't help himself much tonight.
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Yep. As impressed as I was with him last week, I was disappointed in him this week. Failed to see numerous open receivers, failed to connect on some fairly routine throws that could have made it a different game. He didn't get a lot of help from his teammates, but he didn't help himself much tonight.
Agreed
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Jacksonville go back to drawing board. Still have confidence in Trevor Lawrence.
https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2024/01/09/jaguars-still-have-full-confidence-in-trevor-lawrence-vow-to-use-collapse-as-fuel-for-next-season/
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Jacksonville go back to drawing board. Still have confidence in Trevor Lawrence.
https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2024/01/09/jaguars-still-have-full-confidence-in-trevor-lawrence-vow-to-use-collapse-as-fuel-for-next-season/
Trade him for a used Bike, eh?
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Trade him for Fields, straight up.
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Trade him for Fields, straight up.
I think Bears and Jags will be among those heavily vying for Mike Evans as a free agent
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Right now, who would you rather have on your team?
Love or Lawrence?
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The Bears should be sprinting to call Vrabel. I know he’s going to go to New England, but at least do some due diligence behind the scenes.
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Right now, who would you rather have on your team?
Love or Lawrence?
Love is healthier right now, so I'd take him.
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Right now, who would you rather have on your team?
Love or Lawrence?
Love, actually.
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Right now, who would you rather have on your team?
Love or Lawrence?
I might be guilty of placing too much value on pedigree, but its Lawrence for me pretty comfortably (and I like Love). I think the Bears should be drafting Caleb Williams for a similar reason.
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I think Bears and Jags will be among those heavily vying for Mike Evans as a free agent
Why would Evans want to play for either of those garbage franchises?
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Why would Evans want to play for either of those garbage franchises?
Money talks.
He's 30 years old and this is almost certainly his last chance for a big contract. He's got a ring, and while he wouldn't mind more, his priority likely will be to maximize his earnings. No saying those for sure are the highest bidders, but he'll likely go to whoever offers the best deal.
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Money talks.
He's 30 years old and this is almost certainly his last chance for a big contract. He's got a ring, and while he wouldn't mind more, his priority likely will be to maximize his earnings. No saying those for sure are the highest bidders, but he'll likely go to whoever offers the best deal.
Hope he likes living in London
Guess he’s played with enough garbage QBs, playing with Lawrence or Fields wouldn’t be a big change
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Hope he likes living in London
Guess he’s played with enough garbage QBs, playing with Lawrence or Fields wouldn’t be a big change
London would be a pretty great place to live, especially on $20+ million a year.
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London would be a pretty great place to live, especially on $20+ million a year.
You’d have to pay me $40 million to live in Jacksonville for even half a year
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Right now, who would you rather have on your team?
Love or Lawrence?
Today:
Love >Lawrence>Fields
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Here's what happens when you let a woman own an NFL franchise (Amy Strunk of the Titans). Gibberish like this:
"As the NFL continues to innovate and evolve, I believe the teams best positioned for sustained success will be those who empower an aligned and collaborative team across all football functions. Last year, we began a shift in our approach to football leadership and made several changes to our personnel to advance that plan. As I continued to assess the state of our team, I arrived at the conclusion that the team would also benefit from the fresh approach and perspective of a new coaching staff. I will never shy away from acknowledging that I have unapologetically high expectations for the football team and every aspect of the Titans organization. Our vision is not simply to produce more wins than losses, it is to regularly compete for championships. While this season was disappointing, I see early signs of progress taking shape. Last year we added a promising young quarterback and several other talented players to our roster. With a coaching search, enviable cap space, and top-10 draft position, this offseason is as important as any in our history. I'm excited for the weeks and months ahead. We will meet the moment'".
Methinks she attended one too many leadership seminars.
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Here's what happens when you let a woman own an NFL franchise (Amy Strunk of the Titans). Gibberish like this:
"As the NFL continues to innovate and evolve, I believe the teams best positioned for sustained success will be those who empower an aligned and collaborative team across all football functions. Last year, we began a shift in our approach to football leadership and made several changes to our personnel to advance that plan. As I continued to assess the state of our team, I arrived at the conclusion that the team would also benefit from the fresh approach and perspective of a new coaching staff. I will never shy away from acknowledging that I have unapologetically high expectations for the football team and every aspect of the Titans organization. Our vision is not simply to produce more wins than losses, it is to regularly compete for championships. While this season was disappointing, I see early signs of progress taking shape. Last year we added a promising young quarterback and several other talented players to our roster. With a coaching search, enviable cap space, and top-10 draft position, this offseason is as important as any in our history. I'm excited for the weeks and months ahead. We will meet the moment'".
Methinks she attended one too many leadership seminars.
And then there's this...
Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
The Titans believed trading Vrabel was too complicated and would take too long, per sources. They wanted to move on quickly. I was told Vrabel never asked ownership for a trade or asked out of Tennessee.
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And then there's this...
Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
The Titans believed trading Vrabel was too complicated and would take too long, per sources. They wanted to move on quickly. I was told Vrabel never asked ownership for a trade or asked out of Tennessee.
Obviously I'm not an NFL owner/GM so I am not an expert and I guess I could buy it may take too long to trade a coach, but "too complicated"? What does that mean? Do they not have Chat GPT in Tennessee to help the process? ;D
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The Bears should be sprinting to call Vrabel. I know he’s going to go to New England, but at least do some due diligence behind the scenes.
What's your top 5 head coaches for the bears look like (assuming Eberflus is gone)?
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I will be shocked if Eberflus is fired.
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I will be shocked if Eberflus is fired.
I wouldn't be shocked. I think he is coming back but the longer they take to confirm he still has the job, the less confident I am. I can only guess they are seeing if they have a better option before committing. If that is what is going on, "shocked" would be too strong for me.
Also, they maybe telling him Getsy has to go or he has to go. I can't believe Eberflus is dumb enough to want Getsy back or dumb enough to die on that hill.
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Can the Packers get anything for Watson or Jaire? Don't think you want Jaire in the locker room (and don't think he wants to be there), and we're proving to be just fine without Watson. If Watson played more than like 5 games a year, of course you keep him. But...
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Can the Packers get anything for Watson or Jaire? Don't think you want Jaire in the locker room (and don't think he wants to be there), and we're proving to be just fine without Watson. If Watson played more than like 5 games a year, of course you keep him. But...
Moving Alexander is going to cost you $27 million in dead cap. That would be one of the five largest dead cap hits in NFL history, and the largest for a non-QB.
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Watson has two more years of a cheap contract. You bring him back next year, hopes he is healthy and performs, and then trade him at his peak if that's what you want. Right now you wouldn't get a big return for him.
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Moving Alexander is going to cost you $27 million in dead cap. That would be one of the five largest dead cap hits in NFL history, and the largest for a non-QB.
Even moving on from Alexander after 2024 isn’t great at an almost $20M dead cap hit.
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What's your top 5 head coaches for the bears look like (assuming Eberflus is gone)?
My priority would be Harbaugh (this is me talking and not the McCaskey’s). The guy is difficult, but he wins everywhere he goes.
I’d take Vrabel in a heartbeat.
I’ve always thought Dave Toub would be a great head coach (that’s just my opinion).
The rest of the field I probably can’t give a decent opinion on as they’d be current coordinators.
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There are an awful lot of good HC candidates out there that might make someone think harder about letting their guy go for a chance to upgrade. No doubt in my mind Vrabel deserves to be HC and that the Titans will regret it. If he can't latch on maybe the Packers can do a stock sale to pay him a billionty dollars to coach the defense
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There are an awful lot of good HC candidates out there that might make someone think harder about letting their guy go for a chance to upgrade. No doubt in my mind Vrabel deserves to be HC and that the Titans will regret it. If he can't latch on maybe the Packers can do a stock sale to pay him a billionty dollars to coach the defense
Considering his history, don't you think NE is the leading candidate for Vrabel?
It would be much safer (and probably better for his career) to come to GB and possibly add a SB title, but I don't know if these guys are built that way.
If he does go to NE, he has zero chance to succeed unless they hit on the right QB in this draft.
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Considering his history, don't you think NE is the leading candidate for Vrabel?
It would be much safer (and probably better for his career) to come to GB and possibly add a SB title, but I don't know if these guys are built that way.
If he does go to NE, he has zero chance to succeed unless they hit on the right QB in this draft.
One would think that, but there's also speculation that Mayo has been next in line there.
Which, if he's not, we'll take that too!
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So it looks like Getsy and the offensive staff has been let go in Chicago. Does Eberfluss survive because of the strides they believe the defense made throughout this season? Do they really believe he is all that? Because it feels like a typical Bears half-move rather than a bold one.
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Bears doing Bears things. Sigh.
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So it looks like Getsy and the offensive staff has been let go in Chicago. Does Eberfluss survive because of the strides they believe the defense made throughout this season? Do they really believe he is all that? Because it feels like a typical Bears half-move rather than a bold one.
What strides? The defense played better when fully healthy against bad teams.
But if there were injuries or playing good teams, defense was unimpressive.
Fire the man.
You're going to let him choose the QB situation? Dumb
Edit:
It has been confirmed Eberflus will stay. So, Eberflus and Poles will decide to take a QB at 1.01 or trade or whatever.
I sincerely hope they don't decide on a QB, then suck, then fire Eberflus (or Eberflus and Poles) and then have to bring in a whole new regime with a QB they didn't pick. They've done that now several times and it doesn't work. It's complete organizational dysfunction.
I do wonder if this is Poles (knowingly or unknowingly) tying his employment to Eberflus.
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What strides? The defense played better when fully healthy against bad teams.
That's why I purposely said "the strides they believe the defense made..." I agree with you. I really see no solid rationale why they would bring him back.
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What strides? The defense played better when fully healthy against bad teams.
But if there were injuries or playing good teams, defense was unimpressive.
Fire the man.
You're going to let him choose the QB situation? Dumb
Who is "him"? Poles?
Eberflus will have slightly more input on the QB than I do.
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Who is "him"? Poles?
Eberflus will have slightly more input on the QB than I do.
Him = Eberflus.
It would seem incredibly dumb to pick a QB your coach (or at least OC) doesn't agree with.
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Who is "him"? Poles?
Eberflus will have slightly more input on the QB than I do.
Then the organization is even more f*cked than we think. The GM and head coach have to be perfectly alligned on the direction the club is taking. The GM can't just say "here is your quarterback."
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That's why I purposely said "the strides they believe the defense made..." I agree with you. I really see no solid rationale why they would bring him back.
I would support Eberflus being canned. But, looking at the entire body of work (coaching a team in tank mode then getting the talent of the Bears to 7 wins) is not terrible. I can live with this.
I would rank the moves needed to be made as 1. Getsy (done), 2. Fields (TBD) 3. Eberflus (not).
(nice to get the GB stink out of Halas Hall :D)
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If Poles valued his own job security, he should have sold the McCaskey’s on firing Eberflus. He then could have reset the coaching staff, at a time when they have a chance to fully change everything on the field, with as fortunate an opportunity that has ever existed for them.
All this way of doing business accomplished is putting Eberflus on the hot seat immediately, and then resetting everything (except the QB) a year from now. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Also, all Kevin Warren is doing is collecting significant pay checks. That puff piece the Bears put out last week on him was utterly ridiculous.
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Who is "him"? Poles?
Eberflus will have slightly more input on the QB than I do.
Then he should probably be fired. If you don't trust him to help pick the QB, how can you trust him to develop the QB?
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I would support Eberflus being canned. But, looking at the entire body of work (coaching a team in tank mode then getting the talent of the Bears to 7 wins) is not terrible. I can live with this.
I would rank the moves needed to be made as 1. Getsy (done), 2. Fields (TBD) 3. Eberflus (not).
(nice to get the GB stink out of Halas Hall :D)
What has Eberflus shown that you would rate him anything greater than "replacement level?" He wasn't even great as a coordinator. He seems like just a guy.
If you are going to hit the reset button, and I think if you are at the point of bringing in a new quarterback and two new coordinators you are definitely at that point, then hit the damn reset button.
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Then he should probably be fired. If you don't trust him to help pick the QB, how can you trust him to develop the QB?
I think you guys are talking past one another a bit.
Eberlus almost certainly will have input on the pick, assuming he's staying. Eberflus will not be making the pick.
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Him = Eberflus.
It would seem incredibly dumb to pick a QB your coach (or at least OC) doesn't agree with.
Maybe. I'd guess that Poles and Eberflus are generally aligned (hence he still has a job). As Sultan said, if they are not then the whole franchise is doomed, but that assumes that guys like Poles and Warren are complete idiots and have b.s.'d their way through their careers. To assert the Vikings, Big10, Colts, etc are too stupid to see these guys for the absolute fools that this would suggest is aggressive.
I guess anything is possible.
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I think you guys are talking past one another a bit.
Eberlus almost certainly will have input on the pick, assuming he's staying. Eberflus will not be making the pick.
This is my point. Eberflus is not Belichick or Sean Payton. He is far from a de-facto GM. The Bears future is in Poles' hands and not Eberflus'.
The other point being made is fair, it is best to have your QB coach, OC and HC aligned with the QB selection.
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This is getting me more riled up as time goes on.
Is Eberflus capable of evaluating an OC? Clearly Getsy wasn't quality enough. How can management believe the next one is quality?
What good OC will want to work under a lame duck HC?
You've got a ton of cap space. You've got a solid young core of talent on both sides of the ball. You've got 1.01 (and 1.09).
Reset your whole coaching staff at a time when the HC candidates are superb quality.
This ownership/management is so inept.
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What probably happened is the Bears were waiting on the NC to end to contact Harbaugh, and he said nahhhhhhhh. So the Bears decided to ride with Eberflus for another year as long as SOME changes were made.
I agree with you guys, the ownership should have just done a full reset.
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This is getting me more riled up as time goes on.
Is Eberflus capable of evaluating an OC? Clearly Getsy wasn't quality enough. How can management believe the next one is quality?
What good OC will want to work under a lame duck HC?
You've got a ton of cap space. You've got a solid young core of talent on both sides of the ball. You've got 1.01 (and 1.09).
Reset your whole coaching staff at a time when the HC candidates are superb quality.
This ownership/management is so inept.
I said above, I would have fully supported firing Eberflus. You make excellent points. His selections of assistants are a big red flag. If Poles had to force him to fire Getsy, that is also very concerning.
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This franchise ain't changing/improving without new ownership. And new ownership ain't happening soon.
Bring me a 2nd Chicago franchise so I can buy new merch.
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What probably happened is the Bears were waiting on the NC to end to contact Harbaugh, and he said nahhhhhhhh. So the Bears decided to ride with Eberflus for another year as long as SOME changes were made.
I agree with you guys, the ownership should have just done a full reset.
Yup. Bears have this draft capital and they’re going to blow it
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@courtneyrcronin
Some thoughts:
1. If a contract extension doesn't come for Matt Eberflus (aka assurance for the next offensive staff coming in), then I think it will be challenging for the Bears to find the pool of candidates they want for an OC, QBs coach, etc. If you're an OC with offers to go several places, why take a job with a head coach entering lame duck status who could be gone if the team doesn't win in 2024? If the HC ends up being fired after next season, nearly every time the whole staff is gone. That's something an OC and his offensive staff would have to consider.
2. If the Bears stick with Justin Fields in 2024, they will be asking him to learn his 3rd offense in 4 years. It takes a whole year alone to master the verbiage of an offense as we were told first hand from Fields and his offensive teammates. That seems like a tall ask for a QB still trying to find his footing after 38 career starts.
3. If no extension comes for Eberflus and the Bears trade Fields and draft a rookie QB with the No. 1 overall pick, the team is perpetuating the same cycle we've seen since John Fox-Mitchell Trubisky, then Trubkisy-Matt Nagy, then Nagy-Justin Fields, then Fields-Matt Eberflus. Ultimately, the Bears could have broken that cycle if they decided to make changes across the board but are moving forward with Eberflus in 2024 and a *massive*, franchise-altering decision to make a QB in the coming months.
Stay tuned.
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Exactly. All because you want to keep Matt Eberflus!!!
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WTF are the Bears doing??
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@courtneyrcronin
Is it routine to give a head coach an extension after two years of a four-year deal?
None of the other coaches hired in that cycle have received extensions either, best as I can tell.
All the other points/criticisms are fair, but handing out an extension halfway through a coaching contract doesn't seem the norm.
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Is it routine to give a head coach an extension after two years of a four-year deal?
None of the other coaches hired in that cycle have received extensions either, best as I can tell.
All the other points/criticisms are fair, but handing out an extension halfway through a coaching contract doesn't seem the norm.
I have no idea.
But I think the implication is that they should consider extension merely to give confidence to any incoming staff.
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Exactly. All because you want to keep Matt Eberflus!!!
IMO, bears ownership is incompetent. No way they thought through the whole scenario
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St. Pete out in Seattle? Surprised by this one.
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Seattle moving on from Pete Carroll as head coach was not something I predicted.
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7 seconds. Kicked your butt.
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Which Schottemheimer will the Bears hire?
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What has Eberflus shown that you would rate him anything greater than "replacement level?" He wasn't even great as a coordinator. He seems like just a guy.
If you are going to hit the reset button, and I think if you are at the point of bringing in a new quarterback and two new coordinators you are definitely at that point, then hit the damn reset button.
I agree on everything you say. But this is the bears. I expect them to extend his contract and then keep Fields. That is what teams like the bears do.
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The most Bearsy thing to do is ditch Fields, draft Williams, and hire a new OC to coach him. They will then go 3-14 and fire everyone, leaving Williams to start over in year two. Or maybe year three. They keep making this same mistake.
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The most Bearsy thing to do is ditch Fields, draft Williams, and hire a new OC to coach him. They will then go 3-14 and fire everyone, leaving Williams to start over in year two. Or maybe year three. They keep making this same mistake.
That's what happened with Trubisky and Fields.
It's insanity.
And it isn't one GM. Or one VP.
That would lead to the conclusion that's it's an owner-related issue
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That's what happened with Trubisky and Fields.
It's insanity.
And it isn't one GM. Or one VP.
That would lead to the conclusion that's it's an owner-related issue
Oh of course it is. To me, they want to emulate the Steelers who have had three coaches in the last 50+ years. That's what proper organizations do.
The problem is that they can't hire a good enough coach to keep him around, and they keep deluding themselves into thinking the current guy is it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqx-RLFWcAEI4Rs.jpg:large)
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Oh of course it is. To me, they want to emulate the Steelers who have had three coaches in the last 50+ years. That's what proper organizations do.
The problem is that they can't hire a good enough coach to keep him around, and they keep deluding themselves into thinking the current guy is it.
Change of ownership would be a dream come true. I honestly think that will happen after Virginia passes. The Halas/McCaskey wealth is virtually all tied up in the Bears and I'd guess they want to cash in.
Funny story from the '90s from a friend who was doing audit work for the Bears was he was at Halas Hall during a board meeting and many of the Bears owners/Halas/McCaskey drove Hondas and Toyotas. Not your typical NFL owner meeting transportation.
I'm okay with Eberflus coming back (not my preference) but I'll be very upset if Poles had to force him to fire Getsy and the lot. That would tell be Eberflus has zero business as a HC and the Bears are screwed next year.
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Change of ownership would be a dream come true. I honestly think that will happen after Virginia passes. The Halas/McCaskey wealth is virtually all tied up in the Bears and I'd guess they want to cash in.
There's something coming on the horizon that will significantly enhance the franchise's value. A sale isn't likely until that's done.
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There's something coming on the horizon that will significantly enhance the franchise's value. A sale isn't likely until that's done.
According to Kevin Warren they are "on track" to have it finalized by summer.
Also, according to Poles and Eberflus they are in Chicago to win Super Bowls. :o
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Per Poles, the organization did not speak to anyone about a potential head coach hire. He made the decision to keep Eberflus himself. He did not consider other candidates.
Wow.
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Per Poles, the organization did not speak to anyone about a potential head coach hire. He made the decision to keep Eberflus himself. He did not consider other candidates.
Wow.
I mean, power to him for putting all his chips to the center
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“I’m wide open to anything,” Poles said. “So if someone wants to call me with an idea, I’m open to it.”
Sounds like a real leader. Gen. Patton would be proud.
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“I’m wide open to anything,” Poles said. “So if someone wants to call me with an idea, I’m open to it.”
Sounds like a real leader. Gen. Patton would be proud.
Does anyone have his number? I have some ideas.
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According to Kevin Warren they are "on track" to have it finalized by summer.
Also, according to Poles and Eberflus they are in Chicago to win Super Bowls. :o
What is IT?
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What is IT?
New stadium deal.
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Belichick out in New England.
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Exit gracefully, Bill. Play more golf.
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Exit gracefully, Bill. Play more golf.
You would hope but it sounds like he's off to ATL or SD. I guess he really covets the all time wins record and needs 15 more.
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As great as he has been, I would be extremely wary. With him getting more and more in charge of personnel, the drafting drop off became very apparent. Also his staff has been getting more and more inbred as time goes on. Is he going to bring in his kid as defensive coordinator?
But these owners being who they are really love the quick fix embodied in the super coach even though that rarely works.
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Is he going to bring in his kid as defensive coordinator?
Better than bringing back Patricia.
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Coach Belichick was royally screwed by GM Belichick.
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Coach Belichick was royally screwed by GM Belichick.
Mostly, but having a DC and Special Teams coach(?) as co-OCs was a curious decision by a HC.
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Mostly, but having a DC and Special Teams coach(?) as co-OCs was a curious decision by a HC.
GM Belichick signed off on those curious decisions by Coach Belichick.
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Coach Belichick was royally screwed by GM Belichick.
I agree with this fully. If he goes somewhere else that has a GM in place and he doesn't just bring his merry band of children and yes men from NE, he could still be a good HC for another 5 years or so, IMO.
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Tom Brady.
Otherwise just another above average coach.
Check the stats.
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Coach Belichick was royally screwed by GM Belichick.
GM Belichick was great when he had Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady.
Otherwise just another above average coach.
Check the stats.
That's nuts.
Stats say he made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and Mac Jones.
Stats also say his defenses were usually among the league's best.
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Tom Brady.
Otherwise just another above average coach.
Check the stats.
Tom Brady has won as many SBs without Belichick as Trent Dilfer.
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All the people that said trading a 2nd rounder for Sweat and paying him was dumb (and were immediately proven wrong) are the same ones convinced Poles doesn't know what he's doing with the HC here.
The man traded out of #1 last year to get OLine (Wright) & WR (DJ Moore) infrastructure for a new QB so he doesn't start off in a disaster position while keeping the Fields option open this year. Let it play out. Poles knows what's up.
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That's nuts.
Stats say he made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and Mac Jones.
Stats also say his defenses were usually among the league's best.
He actually did not make the playoffs the year Cassel was the primary starter. They did go 11-5 however.
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That's nuts.
Stats say he made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and Mac Jones.
Stats also say his defenses were usually among the league's best.
Actually, the Cassel team in 2008 missed the playoffs ... but they were 11-5, so your overall point mostly still stands.
And yes, they almost always had very good defenses, with which Belichick was often directly involved.
GM Belichick was great when he had Tom Brady.
Especially in keeping a good defense in place even after regularly losing players to other teams.
But aside from Gronk and, for one year, Moss, Belichick really didn't give Brady many great weapons to throw to. Welker was a decent WR before and after he was in NE, but he was a superstar with Brady throwing to him. Would Edelman have been great elsewhere? Etc.
One absolutely could argue that Belichick found those guys and knew pairing them with Brady would be golden, but it took Brady for it to happen. Once Brady left, the lack of offensive weapons (including at QB) provided by GM Belichick was glaring, and his offensive coaching-staff decisions were idiotic.
Tom Brady has won as many SBs without Belichick as Trent Dilfer.
I mean, sure. But Belichick has won as many SBs without Brady as you have.
It's always a fun argument but ultimately a silly one. Belichick and Brady obviously were great for each other.
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All the people that said trading a 2nd rounder for Sweat and paying him was dumb (and were immediately proven wrong) are the same ones convinced Poles doesn't know what he's doing with the HC here.
The man traded out of #1 last year to get OLine (Wright) & WR (DJ Moore) infrastructure for a new QB so he doesn't start off in a disaster position while keeping the Fields option open this year. Let it play out. Poles knows what's up.
I'll stand by my Sweat stance. I don't think his production justified a 2nd round pick. The early returns a very good and seem to justify the trade.
If you think paying $50 a share for Apple in 2000 was smart because it is now almost $200, then you will think the Smart trade was good. (FYI - Apple's price in 2000 was $1 per share)
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I mean, sure. But Belichick has won as many SBs without Brady as you have.
It's always a fun argument but ultimately a silly one. Belichick and Brady obviously were great for each other.
Agreed. Great bar argument. And, of course, I was just having fun putting Brady and Dilfer's names in the same sentence.
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It's always a fun argument but ultimately a silly one. Belichick and Brady obviously were great for each other.
You are 100% correct.
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I'll stand by my Sweat stance. I don't think his production justified a 2nd round pick. The early returns a very good and seem to justify the trade.
If you think paying $50 a share for Apple in 2000 was smart because it is now almost $200, then you will think the Smart trade was good. (FYI - Apple's price in 2000 was $1 per share)
LOL good luck finding anyone nearly as good as Sweat at the top of the 2nd round. That's a steal. Bad analogy
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But aside from Gronk and, for one year, Moss, Belichick really didn't give Brady many great weapons to throw to. Welker was a decent WR before and after he was in NE, but he was a superstar with Brady throwing to him. Would Edelman have been great elsewhere? Etc.
This is the key. The Brady years included a lot of receivers who were pretty ordinary.
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LOL good luck finding anyone nearly as good as Sweat at the top of the 2nd round. That's a steal. Bad analogy
Maybe not immediately as good, but in a year or two - when the Bears are (maybe) in their contention window - sure you can. And a lot cheaper.
No guarantee, of course, but really good players come out of the early second round every year.
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Maybe not immediately as good, but in a year or two - when the Bears are (maybe) in their contention window - sure you can. And a lot cheaper.
No guarantee, of course, but really good players come out of the early second round every year.
Yes, possible to get a player as good as or better than Sweat. But the odds are certainly against it.
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Yeah I wasn’t a fan of the Sweat deal. I think it was a good one for the Bears. See how the contract pays out.
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Yeah, its the contract math again. You probably won't get a player as good as Sweat with that pick. But you could get a very good player and also have the money to sign a very good player. The injury risk between now and that competitive window is a not insignificant piece of the timing too.
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Yeah, its the contract math again. You probably won't get a player as good as Sweat with that pick. But you could get a very good player and also have the money to sign a very good player. The injury risk between now and that competitive window is a not insignificant piece of the timing too.
Exactly. It ends up being a math problem as much as anything else.
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Maybe not immediately as good, but in a year or two - when the Bears are (maybe) in their contention window - sure you can. And a lot cheaper.
No guarantee, of course, but really good players come out of the early second round every year.
Many other positions yes. Not top tier edge rushers.
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Many other positions yes. Not top tier edge rushers.
I'm not sure I'd call Sweat a top-tier edge rusher just yet.
That said, Trey Hendrickson, Maxx Crosby, Danielle Hunter, Harold Landry, Alex Highsmith and Matthew Judon (to name a few) were all day 2-3 picks.
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I'm not sure I'd call Sweat a top-tier edge rusher just yet.
That said, Trey Hendrickson, Maxx Crosby, Danielle Hunter, Harold Landry, Alex Highsmith and Matthew Judon (to name a few) were all day 2-3 picks.
Yep, and Hendrickson wasn't a stud until year 4, Hunter year 4, Landry year 4, Judon year 4, Highsmith year 3, Crosby DROY but not a stud til year 3. Sweat is off the shelf double digit stats and a force opponents have to pay attention to. Entering his prime.
I'm sure Bears fans would be super patient waiting for a second rounder to *maybe* get to Sweat's level by year 3 (the 2026 season) lol
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LOL good luck finding anyone nearly as good as Sweat at the top of the 2nd round. That's a steal. Bad analogy
You are completely missing the point being made.
Ask an investment advisor if buying Apple in 2000 for $50/share would be a good investment then get back to me.
I will agree with you that he has played very well and raised the level of play of the entire defense. As Bears fans we can all be happy about that. Let's focus on the future.
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Yep, and Hendrickson wasn't a stud until year 4, Hunter year 4, Landry year 4, Judon year 4, Highsmith year 3, Crosby DROY but not a stud til year 3. Sweat is off the shelf double digit stats and a force opponents have to pay attention to. Entering his prime.
I'm sure Bears fans would be super patient waiting for a second rounder to *maybe* get to Sweat's level by year 3 (the 2026 season) lol
Sweat has had one double-digit sack season in his career, so it may be presumptive to say he's definitely that guy going forward. We'll see.
As for patience, the Bears seem in no rush, especially if they're drafting a QB this year (which they should). If that's the case, they're unlikely to be serious contenders for three more season anyhow, by which time Sweat is in his 30s and on the downside.
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Jacksonville will be Chicago’s London opponent on Oct 13 at Tottenham in London (from what someone told me tonight).
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Kinda wonder if the Eagles lose Monday if Belichick ends up in Philly.
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Kinda wonder if the Eagles lose Monday if Belichick ends up in Philly.
Crazy. I just heard the rumors last night the the Eagles might want to make a change. Polar opposite of the expectations in a place like Chicago.
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Jerod Mayo gets the gig in New England. Good luck to him. Lots of roster work needed
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Crazy. I just heard the rumors last night the the Eagles might want to make a change. Polar opposite of the expectations in a place like Chicago.
I think people have been left wondering if Steichen was actually the one making the magic happen.
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Jerod Mayo gets the gig in New England. Good luck to him. Lots of roster work needed
Can't believe they didn't give it to Patricia.
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Jerod Mayo gets the gig in New England. Good luck to him. Lots of roster work needed
The initial ESPN write up is pretty glowing - seems like a really cool guy. Obviously not a ton of experience, but it hasn't proven to be a problem for DeMeco Ryans. I hope NE gets him a quality assistant for the offensive side of the ball (and some decent players wouldn't hurt either).
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The initial ESPN write up is pretty glowing - seems like a really cool guy. Obviously not a ton of experience, but it hasn't proven to be a problem for DeMeco Ryans. I hope NE gets him a quality assistant for the offensive side of the ball (and some decent players wouldn't hurt either).
He might have his OC in Bill O’Brien, all jokes aside. They need the QB
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Can't believe they didn't give it to Patricia.
I’m hearing chatter about a Lions - Patricia reunion.
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Lol
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The Caleb Williams stuff that is out there is certainly a different approach to things.
I can not imagine the NFL approving him access to the supplemental draft (if that’s something his management team is considering). It would set a precedent the NFL doesn’t want, and would harm their draft revenue now and moving forward.
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Is this due to the Wesley Steinberg report? It sounds like that's a troll account.
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I think people have been left wondering if Steichen was actually the one making the magic happen.
He also lost both of his coordinators and his replacement DC choice struggled mightily. Not to mention Sirianni wasn't the playcaller in Indy, so there is probably some legitimacy to the thoughts of Steichen being the key factor behind the offense.
Not to mention, I think there is an element of the league figuring out Hurts a little bit. Took steps back across the board and made way more questionable decisions than you saw last year. Which isn't at all uncommon or surprising but the timing is bad.
Is this due to the Wesley Steinberg report? It sounds like that's a troll account.
No its just reporting on whats happened since the regular season ended.
I'm not the biggest Caleb Williams fan, and sure some people put too much stock into little things, but there is undeniably a bevy of strange, if not concerning, data points stacking up behind him and his impending NFL career. Its staggering arrogance at best which looks all the worse given his recent season. Is it enough to pass on him? Maybe maybe not. But I don't think you have to be a HATER to raise an eyebrow or two at it all
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He also lost both of his coordinators and his replacement DC choice struggled mightily. Not to mention Sirianni wasn't the playcaller in Indy, so there is probably some legitimacy to the thoughts of Steichen being the key factor behind the offense.
Not to mention, I think there is an element of the league figuring out Hurts a little bit. Took steps back across the board and made way more questionable decisions than you saw last year. Which isn't at all uncommon or surprising but the timing is bad.
No its just reporting on whats happened since the regular season ended.
I'm not the biggest Caleb Williams fan, and sure some people put too much stock into little things, but there is undeniably a bevy of strange, if not concerning, data points stacking up behind him and his impending NFL career. Its staggering arrogance at best which looks all the worse given his recent season. Is it enough to pass on him? Maybe maybe not. But I don't think you have to be a HATER to raise an eyebrow or two at it all
Less so figuring Hurts out, more so he’s hurt.
There’s some stuff out there about how basic Philly’s offense is and there lack of using motion to move the defense around
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/01/13/jim-harbaugh-nfl-chargers-raiders-michigan-football/72217650007/
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/01/13/jim-harbaugh-nfl-chargers-raiders-michigan-football/72217650007/
Allegedly, the Bears didn't even ask.
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Good, Harbaugh is a complete jackass
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JJ McCarthy declares for the draft.
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JJ McCarthy declares for the draft.
Could make a decent enough career backup I guess.
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Could make a decent enough career backup I guess.
While being about as far from an NFL talent evaluator as you can get, IMHO JJ looks like that and a 5-7 round pick.
But what do I know, I had Brady as a 2nd round talent and look how he turned out. ;D
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While being about as far from an NFL talent evaluator as you can get, IMHO JJ looks like that and a 5-7 round pick.
But what do I know, I had Brady as a 2nd round talent and look how he turned out. ;D
He’ll be picked in the top-64 based on arm strength alone.
He’ll be evaluated on that and other measurables NFL people love and the fact his wideouts at Michigan were as pedestrian as Michigan has had in awhile. Wilson was a speed in space guy and Johnson is a good college WR but not a game breaker. Their best receiver was a TE.
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While being about as far from an NFL talent evaluator as you can get, IMHO JJ looks like that and a 5-7 round pick.
But what do I know, I had Brady as a 2nd round talent and look how he turned out. ;D
I would imagine he wouldn't have declared had anyone suggested to him he's a 5-7 round pick. He'd make way more on NIL than he would on a rookie contract. That's why guys like Bo Nix and Sam Hartman stayed in college last year.
We'll see how it turns out, but good bet evaluators are telling him he's likely a 1st/2nd round pick. I've seen no draft guru-type out there suggest otherwise.
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I would imagine he wouldn't have declared had anyone suggested to him he's a 5-7 round pick. He'd make way more on NIL than he would on a rookie contract. That's why guys like Bo Nix and Sam Hartman stayed in college last year.
We'll see how it turns out, but good bet evaluators are telling him he's likely a 1st/2nd round pick. I've seen no draft guru-type out there suggest otherwise.
That's fair. As I said, I'm far from an expert. He feels like a player who benefited greatly from a great OL and running game. I do believe he will go before round 3, I just hope its not to the Bears.
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That's fair. As I said, I'm far from an expert. He feels like a player who benefited greatly from a great OL and running game. I do believe he will go before round 3, I just hope its not to the Bears.
I think the only way he would have gone to the Bears is if they had hired Harbaugh.
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I think the only way he would have gone to the Bears is if they had hired Harbaugh.
That would have made sense. I was kidding about the Bears taking him. If the Bears move on from Fields (most likely scenario) they will pick a QB in the top 10 and most likely #1. They will not take a QB in the before the 6th round, if at all, if they stay with Fields. I think they like Bagent as a back-up.
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Could make a decent enough career backup I guess.
I've seen numerous mock drafts with him going in the first round. Maybe they're all wrong, or maybe any team that takes him that high will be wrong. NFL GMs make mistakes on QBs all the time.
Good arm strength, great mobility. Can he do the other things NFL QBs need to do? We'll see.
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I would imagine he wouldn't have declared had anyone suggested to him he's a 5-7 round pick. He'd make way more on NIL than he would on a rookie contract. That's why guys like Bo Nix and Sam Hartman stayed in college last year.
We'll see how it turns out, but good bet evaluators are telling him he's likely a 1st/2nd round pick. I've seen no draft guru-type out there suggest otherwise.
Yea I don’t love him and obviously being graded as a top round talent doesn’t mean you’ll be a good NFL QB, but I’ve not seen any that have him falling outside the top 40 picks. I don’t think projections are THAT wrong
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I've seen numerous mock drafts with him going in the first round. Maybe they're all wrong, or maybe any team that takes him that high will be wrong. NFL GMs make mistakes on QBs all the time.
Good arm strength, great mobility. Can he do the other things NFL QBs need to do? We'll see.
Yeah, I think 1st round. Other positions get picked based on talent where they should be. QBs get over drafted every year.
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Green Bay does not need to draft a QB.
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Green Bay does not need to draft a QB.
You don’t know ball, aina?
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Lol. Dak…
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Fields to the Cowboys!
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Fields to the Cowboys!
Doesn't seem like a fit for Belichick/McDaniels.
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What kicker can’t get to the end zone indoors?
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Doesn't seem like a fit for Belichick/McDaniels.
;D
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I can’t imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.
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I can’t imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.
He won't make Wednesday. Anyone who watched the Packers this year and came out with THAT game plan...at home...should be run out of town immediately. And Dan Quinn should follow him. Belichick will be coaching them by the end of the week.
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I can’t imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.
Before the game they were talking bout how McCarthy was brought in to win Championships. I found that odd, as he was canned in GB for not being able to win Championships. Kind of thought to myself that if GB could find a way to win, as strange as it would be to fire a coach who had the season he just had, that McCarthy may get canned.
Didn't expect that embarrassment though.
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Cowboys are the first team in NFL history to win 12 games in three straight seasons and fail to make the conference championship in any of them.
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He won't make Wednesday. Anyone who watched the Packers this year and came out with THAT game plan...at home...should be run out of town immediately. And Dan Quinn should follow him. Belichick will be coaching them by the end of the week.
I didn’t think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half. McCarthy was unconscionably bad.
And Dak…man. I like Dak, think he’s been unfairly maligned at times. I think he’s a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever. Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes. But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game? Just endless ammo for haters and critics. It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first
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I didn’t think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half. McCarthy was unconscionably bad.
And Dak…man. I like Dak, think he’s been unfairly maligned at times. I think he’s a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever. Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes. But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game? Just endless ammo for haters and critics. It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first
Packers punched them in the mouth and they turtled. 49ers and Bills did it to them, Pack did, too
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Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.
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Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.
He skipped the bowl game because he intends to go the NFL. I don't think there is a story here. -Could be tomorrow?
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Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.
He may have filed and just not announced it.
We'll see, I guess.
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I didn’t think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half. McCarthy was unconscionably bad.
And Dak…man. I like Dak, think he’s been unfairly maligned at times. I think he’s a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever. Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes. But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game? Just endless ammo for haters and critics. It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first
That's kind of been who Dak is. Maybe the 10th best QB in the league, on average, over the years.
I don't think he was hurt in the first half, though the complete prevent D that GB went into after going up by 32 made him look healthier in the last 6 minutes of the game. With all that talent around him, and GB managing to put very little pressure on him throughout the game, he should have been much, much better.
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The bears are firmly the worst team in the NFC North, right?
They are definitely now the longest tenured without a playoff win - 2011.
IMO, the demise of the bears franchise starts and ends with the McCaskey family. Need new ownership badly
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Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.
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I commented on it somewhere. But what impresses me about Love and the Pack, is who well they spread the ball around. It makes it a lot harder on the defense when there isn't just 1 or 2 guys you have to focus on. The teams that have struggled late in the year, and the Cowboys, really strongly rely on 1 or 2 guys. As an example, below are the % of targets to the top 2 receivers for remaining playoff teams:
Philly: 51.4% Have been being exposed lately
Miami: 50%. Also got exposed
Detroit: 49.5% Packers were able to handle their offense by taking away primary options
Tampa: 48.4% Not a strong offense
Cowboys: 47% Definitely got exposed by the Packers taking away primary options.
Buffalo: 46% Have struggled more this year
----- Cutoff
SF: 41% Very strong and dangerous offense
KC: 37% Mahomes is elite because he spreads it around
Ravens: 36% Add in the dual threat QB and it is why they are the favorites
Texans: 35% Impressive for a rookie to see the field and spread it around
Packers: 34% Been crazy good the latter half of the season
One can argue that part of it is a product of teams having an elite receiver or 2, which is true to an extent, but it also leads to a tendency for the QB to only look at 1 or 2 options, which eventually can become a liability in the playoffs.
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Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.
I don't see the Bears and Commanders making a trade today.
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That's kind of been who Dak is. Maybe the 10th best QB in the league, on average, over the years.
I don't think he was hurt in the first half, though the complete prevent D that GB went into after going up by 32 made him look healthier in the last 6 minutes of the game. With all that talent around him, and GB managing to put very little pressure on him throughout the game, he should have been much, much better.
Yea I don't think he actually was, thats just how tentative, antsy, and bad he looked.
Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.
Forcing a trade to his hometown team, what could go wrong?!
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Dam is Kirk Cousins. Big numbers - but ultimately a dud. The biggest reasons Cowboys flame out every year.
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Dam is Kirk Cousins. Big numbers - but ultimately a dud. The biggest reasons Cowboys flame out every year.
To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league. Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.
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To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league. Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.
I can’t argue with that.
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Caleb Williams has officially declared.
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The Bears could get #8 overall for Justin Fields?
What is Mel smoking?
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To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league. Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.
Big picture you may be right. But yesterday? Until it was over for all intents and purposes he was awful.
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The Bears could get #8 overall for Justin Fields?
What is Mel smoking?
#8 in the 2nd or 3rd round?
IF #8 overall could be had for Fields, I think even the most pro-Fields fans would get onboard with a trade.
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#8 in the 2nd or 3rd round?
IF #8 overall could be had for Fields, I think even the most pro-Fields fans would get onboard with a trade.
#8 overall. I think Mel is basically Jim Cramer of the NFL.
https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1746995003027493309?t=FfmSmOyB2YF3O4ToMsuP2A&s=19
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#8 overall. I think Mel is basically Jim Cramer of the NFL.
https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1746995003027493309?t=FfmSmOyB2YF3O4ToMsuP2A&s=19
Maybe he meant someone would be willing to take him off their hands for a #8 overall if the Bears threw in the #1 pick overall as compensation for taking him.
That's about as realistic.
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Maybe he meant someone would be willing to take him off their hands for a #8 overall if the Bears threw in the #1 pick overall as compensation for taking him.
That's about as realistic.
Except that he said if Bears traded away fields for #8, they would then have 1, 8, 9
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No one's trading a first for Fields. Spending a first on a running back just isn't a smart investment
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No one's trading a first for Fields. Spending a first on a running back just isn't a smart investment
Ironically that’s exactly what Atlanta did last year.
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Bears interviewing Greg Roman as OC candidate is a potential tell. Get your pitchforks ready, Bears fans!
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@AtlantaFalcons
We have interviewed Bill Belichick for our head coach opening
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The Athletic has J.J. McCarthy going #19 to the Rams.
Williams #1 to Chicago, Maye #2 to Washington and Daniels #8 to Atlanta.
FWIW (not much).
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The Athletic has J.J. McCarthy going #19 to the Rams.
Williams #1 to Chicago, Maye #2 to Washington and Daniels #8 to Atlanta.
FWIW (not much).
Feels a bit "chalky". No big diversions from all other predictions other than McCarthy somewhat higher than most.
I do think Chicago will go with Williams unless they get offered "stupid" compensation. (3 #1s & 3 #2's type 'never going to happen' stupid)
Agree these are not worth more than bracketology in December. Combine, workouts, FA and trades will cause major changes.
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The Athletic has J.J. McCarthy going #19 to the Rams.
Williams #1 to Chicago, Maye #2 to Washington and Daniels #8 to Atlanta.
FWIW (not much).
So many QB needy teams. I think a team will see JJ as the next Josh Allen and he goes top 10. QBs always get overdrafted.
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So many QB needy teams. I think a team will see JJ as the next Josh Allen and he goes top 10. QBs always get overdrafted.
Tommy DeVito started games in the NFL this year. Mason Rudolph started a playoff game. The NFL is desperate for QBs.
Thank god for Jordan Love
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So many QB needy teams. I think a team will see JJ as the next Josh Allen and he goes top 10. QBs always get overdrafted.
Josh Allen? Cause he has a big arm? Otherwise I don't see the comp at all. Allen is bigger, more of a running threat, and was really raw coming out of a mid major college. McCarthy isn't as mobile, more polished, and not at all under the radar.
But otherwise I totally agree with your final point. Especially in years where there is tons of good QBs prospects at the top, FOMO comes in hard.
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Josh Allen? Cause he has a big arm? Otherwise I don't see the comp at all. Allen is bigger, more of a running threat, and was really raw coming out of a mid major college. McCarthy isn't as mobile, more polished, and not at all under the radar.
But otherwise I totally agree with your final point. Especially in years where there is tons of good QBs prospects at the top, FOMO comes in hard.
McCarthy is quite mobile. Michigan didn’t use him much in the running game. When they did, he moved the chains
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@AtlantaFalcons
We have interviewed Bill Belichick for our head coach opening
Sources say, here's a transcript from the interview.
Q: Why don't you tell us about yourself?
A: I coach.
Q; What interests you about this position?
A: Football.
Q: Where do you see yourself in 10 years?
A: Breathing.
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Sources say, here's a transcript from the interview.
Q: Why don't you tell us about yourself?
A: I coach.
Q; What interests you about this position?
A: Football.
Q: Where do you see yourself in 10 years?
A: Breathing.
O/U on the number of questions before Bill said "we done here?"....6?
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Josh Allen? Cause he has a big arm? Otherwise I don't see the comp at all. Allen is bigger, more of a running threat, and was really raw coming out of a mid major college. McCarthy isn't as mobile, more polished, and not at all under the radar.
But otherwise I totally agree with your final point. Especially in years where there is tons of good QBs prospects at the top, FOMO comes in hard.
I think McCarthy as a smaller Allen isn't the worst comp Ive ever seen, but maybe not the best. He doesn't have Allen's arm or size, but he's as mobile and more accurate. McCarthy reminds me more of .poor man's Andrew Luck. Maybe very poor man's. Smaller and not the elite arm talent, but tough, accurate and smart, and similar playing styles.
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O/U on the number of questions before Bill said "we done here?"....6?
How did the interview go?
"I'm on to Dallas."
But what were your impressions of the Falcons?
"I'm on to Dallas."
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This is really the issue with teams looking at Belichick right? They want Bill the Coach, but not really Bill the GM. And Bill likely wants both right?
I thought for sure that he would be heading to the Cowboys, but Shannon Sharpe's diatribe about why that would be a disaster got me thinking - would he put up with Jones doing Jones things? (Trading for Trey Lance without talking to the coach, going on the radio weekly, etc.) Or do desperate parties come together for a deal thinking it would work, only to have it fall apart spectacularly?
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How did the interview go?
"I'm on to Dallas."
But what were your impressions of the Falcons?
"I'm on to Dallas."
I'm probably wrong, but I just don't see the Belichick to Cowboys thing.
Is Bill going to want to go to a place where the owner has final say on everything? There is a reason why the Cowboys are losers. Jerry's ego must always be satisfied and he will always sacrifice the team at the altar of ego and money.
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I'm probably wrong, but I just don't see the Belichick to Cowboys thing.
Is Bill going to want to go to a place where the owner has final say on everything? There is a reason why the Cowboys are losers. Jerry's ego must always be satisfied and he will always sacrifice the team at the altar of ego and money.
You may be right. Definitely a fair point.
On the other hand, does soon-to-be 72-year-old Belichick want to go to a rebuild, or a team that's years from being a legitimate contender, i.e. the Falcons, Washington or Carolina?
The downside of the Cowboys is dealing with Jerry. But the upside is he takes over a roster that can compete for a Super Bowl immediately.
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Belichick could do wonders with that defense but i have a feeling he's not going to be into the brand of football that Diggs and Bland play. Ultimate gamblers.
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How did the interview go?
"I'm on to Dallas."
But what were your impressions of the Falcons?
"I'm on to Dallas."
So far there has been Belichick to the Cowboys, Packers (before they won), Philly, Chargers, and Atlanta.
With the flame outs of the Cowboys and Philly, I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up at either of those places. Right now, Bill just wants 2 seasons where he can win a total of at least 15 games. If Philly and/or the Cowboys offer, he goes there. I don't think he cares as much about controlling everything as he does getting the all time Wins record.
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You may be right. Definitely a fair point.
On the other hand, does soon-to-be 72-year-old Belichick want to go to a rebuild, or a team that's years from being a legitimate contender, i.e. the Falcons, Washington or Carolina?
The downside of the Cowboys is dealing with Jerry. But the upside is he takes over a roster that can compete for a Super Bowl immediately.
Shades of Parcells tenure in Dallas? Legendary SB winning coach and ego having one last hurrah with Jerry before retirement?
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bill-belichick-knows-exactly-what-he-wants-next-coaching-gig-report
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Sounds like Jim Irsay’s respiratory illness is code for overdose
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McCarthy is quite mobile. Michigan didn’t use him much in the running game. When they did, he moved the chains
He’s also only 20 years old. His best situation would be to sit for a couple of years and learn from a good coach and QB. The Rams maybe?
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He’s also only 20 years old. His best situation would be to sit for a couple of years and learn from a good coach and QB. The Rams maybe?
I think that’s a good call. A team like that would benefit him.
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He’s also only 20 years old. His best situation would be to sit for a couple of years and learn from a good coach and QB. The Rams maybe?
Maybe the Packers will draft him!
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He’s also only 20 years old. His best situation would be to sit for a couple of years and learn from a good coach and QB. The Rams maybe?
I think the McVay/Stafford combo could be awesome for him. I also firmly believe McVay/Rams are a significant part of Baker figuring it out a bit again. He spoke very highly of McVay's work and belief with him and how freeing it was.
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I'm kind of surprised Mike McCarthy is still employed by the Cowboys.
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I'm kind of surprised Mike McCarthy is still employed by the Cowboys.
I’m really surprised. But no more surprised than how long the Cowboys held on to Garrett. Jerry Jones has become very (too) patient in his old age.
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I'm kind of surprised Mike McCarthy is still employed by the Cowboys.
My hunch is the Ol’ Segregationist made a few calls on the down low and got rebuffed
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Jerry gonna run it back with Medicore Mike...
My hunch is the Ol’ Segregationist made a few calls on the down low and got rebuffed
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Todd Bowles did a solid job this season, after receiving a lot of criticism last season. Bucs had no cap room, they cobbled together a roster to support the elite receiver talent they had. Won Division again ( the weakest for sure) and won a playoff game. Will be interesting to see what they do off season. Probably won't resign Devin White. Need to free up money to retain Mike Evans.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/bucs-todd-bowles-has-silenced-his-critics-youre-seeing-the-results
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Tampa had two really nice stretches and one really crappy stretch. 3-1, then 1-6, then 5-1. Easy at this time of year to point out all the weaknesses. Bottom line is that he took the post-Brady Bucs with a 4-7 record at one point, won the division and a playoff game. Respect.
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Todd Bowles did a solid job this season, after receiving a lot of criticism last season. Bucs had no cap room, they cobbled together a roster to support the elite receiver talent they had. Won Division again ( the weakest for sure) and won a playoff game. Will be interesting to see what they do off season. Probably won't resign Devin White. Need to free up money to retain Mike Evans.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/bucs-todd-bowles-has-silenced-his-critics-youre-seeing-the-results
Mike Evans will be 31 next year. If they're smart they don't offer him too much.
Having said that, he's been great this year in a contract year and someone will pay him.
But contracts are signed for future potential not past accomplishments so...
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Bears add Kliff Kingsbury to their OC list
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Bears add Kliff Kingsbury to their OC list
That makes 9 interviews that we know of?
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Bears add Kliff Kingsbury to their OC list
Rumor has it he may be headed to Vegas, if Antonio Pierce gets the HC job full time.
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Todd Bowles did a solid job this season, after receiving a lot of criticism last season. Bucs had no cap room, they cobbled together a roster to support the elite receiver talent they had. Won Division again ( the weakest for sure) and won a playoff game. Will be interesting to see what they do off season. Probably won't resign Devin White. Need to free up money to retain Mike Evans.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/bucs-todd-bowles-has-silenced-his-critics-youre-seeing-the-results
He has done a good job. The South may have been the weakest division but his team won it. Doesn’t say much about the other coaching staffs.
Sadly, the cap crunch continues next year. Hopefully that will be considered in evaluating him.
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I'm kind of surprised Mike McCarthy is still employed by the Cowboys.
It just sorta proves something that I have always thought. Jerry Jones is a complete and utter fraud.
He really only has 2 things that drive everything he does. Attention and money - I don't know what order to put them in. Winning is never a priority other than winning enough games to perpetuate the "America's Team" myth. Keeping himself as the center of attention has hurt the team immensely.
Keeping McCarthy is just further proof of this.
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Rumor has it he may be headed to Vegas, if Antonio Pierce gets the HC job full time.
Vegas seems more like Kliff's target demographic
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Vegas seems more like Kliff's target demographic
I dunno the Lake Forest Heinen’s is about his speed too
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Sounds like the new Patriots coach is woke. Looks like we have to boycott the Patriots
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I dunno the Lake Forest Heinen’s is about his speed too
Wasn't aware he graduated to moms from girls who haven't graduated
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Antonio Pierce gets the full-time gig in Las Vegas
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Wasn't aware he graduated to moms from girls who haven't graduated
Wrong link
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Wasn't aware he graduated to moms from girls who haven't graduated
https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/lookit/2014/4/8/5595914/kliff-kingsbury-says-he-flirts-with-moms-of-recruits
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https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/lookit/2014/4/8/5595914/kliff-kingsbury-says-he-flirts-with-moms-of-recruits
Chewy would have flirted with the younger sisters of recruits.
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Jags facing extension decision with Trevor Lawrence . Lawrence faded down the stretch so that impacts the economics .
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/will-jaguars-qb-trevor-lawrences-regression-complicate-extension-talks
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https://www.nfl.com/news/buccaneers-qb-baker-mayfield-have-mutual-interest-in-return-for-2024
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There is so much pent up energy that if this team gets to 11 wins and actually wins a playoff game, the fanbase will probably become more inufferable than the Cubs when they finally won. Or Cardinals fans every year.
Insufferable, but bump anyway.
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Waldron to Chicago?
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Waldron to Chicago?
Looks like it. Good hire. Come on down, Caleb
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Seahawks fans are glad he’ll be in Chicago instead of Seattle.
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Seahawks fans are glad he’ll be in Chicago instead of Seattle.
I get that. Big picture, he did way more with Geno than anyone would have imagined. Seems NFL people think highly of him, but I get Seattle fans are not sad to see him leave.
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@HaydenWinks
Caleb Williams is working with @QBCollective for training. New Bears OC Shane Waldron is a QB Collective guy. You do the math here.
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@HaydenWinks
Caleb Williams is working with @QBCollective for training. New Bears OC Shane Waldron is a QB Collective guy. You do the math here.
So did Justin Fields
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So did Justin Fields
Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.
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Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.
My post was more about what Hayden didn't know or didn't state.
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Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.
My working theory is that Field's supporters are convinced that the Bear's FO will take a tolerable QB situation and make it worse. Basically they don't trust the Bears as opposed to supporting Justin. Can't argue they are wrong but it is a very defeatist mentality.
As I've said before, it harkens back to those who supported Wojo; MU could not do better.
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My working theory is that Field's supporters are convinced that the Bear's FO will take a tolerable QB situation and make it worse. Basically they don't trust the Bears as opposed to supporting Justin. Can't argue they are wrong but it is a very defeatist mentality.
As I've said before, it harkens back to those who supported Wojo; MU could not do better.
I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.
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I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.
Bingo.
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I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.
I agree with this mindset.
What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB
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I agree with this mindset.
What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB
Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.
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I agree with this mindset.
What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB
I get that. And maybe they're right. But historically speaking, after nearly 40 starts, a guy usually is who he is.
I honestly can't think of many guys who played that much mediocre (or worse) football and then become a top 10 guy.
Rich Gannon, I guess, but he was a someone who ran a system to perfection, not a guy who carried his team.
Geno? Not really a franchise QB. There's a reason the Seahawks didn't sign him long term. Not a top 10/lead you to Super Bowls guy. And actually had fewer career starts than Fields does by the time he got to Seattle.
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Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.
Two coaching staffs. Coaching was blamed for Trubisky, as well.
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Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina
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Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina
Was Luke Kuechly unavailable?
The Panthers' front office has made misstep after misstep past few seasons, so the obvious decision is to elevate from within.
Wish him well, and who knows, but this seems like a bad decision meant to appease an angry fan base with a local hero.
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Was Luke Kuechly unavailable?
The Panthers' front office has made misstep after misstep past few seasons, so the obvious decision is to elevate from within.
Wish him well, and who knows, but this seems like a bad decision meant to appease an angry fan base with a local hero.
I believe he was the assistant GM entering the season or working for the front office in some capacity
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Always good to hire the internal candidate from a failed front office. I'm sure it will go well.
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Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina
Everyone who has been around the decision making in that front office should have been ruled out from the beginning. What a disaster.
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Titans are hiring Bengals OC Brian Callahan to be their next head coach.
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Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.
Yes, some do. The actual facts are that the Bear's WRs, RBs and OL were not awful. The WRs were among the best in fewest dropped passes and the OL played decent when healthy. Fields was not materially better the second half of the season when the drive by media credited the wins to Fields. The D was significantly better not Fields.
That said, Getsy was very bad. So bad that the "double agent of the Packers" theory had goofballs believing it.
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I'm not sure why the Eagles decided to hold onto Sirianni, yet both of his coordinators have been fired. Does that ever work?
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I'm not sure why the Eagles decided to hold onto Sirianni, yet both of his coordinators have been fired. Does that ever work?
I generally agree with you, but Sirianni is a year off of a SB appearance and still has 3 straight playoff appearances. And Johnson had only been OC for a year and was an internal promotion. So that didn't work and they moved on. Desai also was in his first year and didn't work.
So its not like a long serving unit didn't work as a whole. If Sirianni whiffs on 2 more coordinators, then obviously he's gonna go. But I think this is a bit of a different situation than normally with coordinators being canned like this.
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The conclusion I would draw is that Steichen is the real reason for the offensive success and just move on.
Anyway, we will see if it works.
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The conclusion I would draw is that Steichen is the real reason for the offensive success and just move on.
Anyway, we will see if it works.
The Eagles' problem this year wasn't really the offense, though.
There was a slight dip - from 5.9 yards per play to 5.4 and 2.5 points per drive to 2.33. But the larger issues were on defense, from 4.8 yards per play to 5.5 and 1.78 points per drive to 2.35.
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Obviously somebody will be happy to take those jobs. But I'd imagine it will be hard for the Eagles to land proven coordinators, knowing that if the Eagles have another 1 and done Playoff appearance next year Sirianni is gone, which means they'll once again be looking for a new job.
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https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/sports/falcons-front-office-against-hiring-bill-belichick-bill-simmons/
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The Eagles' problem this year wasn't really the offense, though.
There was a slight dip - from 5.9 yards per play to 5.4 and 2.5 points per drive to 2.33. But the larger issues were on defense, from 4.8 yards per play to 5.5 and 1.78 points per drive to 2.35.
Then why are they ditching the offensive coordinator?
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https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/sports/falcons-front-office-against-hiring-bill-belichick-bill-simmons/
Did he really refer to 64 year old Rich McKay as "John McKay's kid?"
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After the Panthers fired their GM, they hired his best friend and long-time assistant (back to their Seattle days), former Panthers LB Dan Morgan, to take his place.
As a fan, I hope Morgan does a great job. But I go in starting with serious doubts: 1) that this is an actual upgrade; and 2) that he can keep Tepper from being the de facto GM.
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After the Panthers fired their GM, they hired his best friend and long-time assistant (back to their Seattle days), former Panthers LB Dan Morgan, to take his place.
As a fan, I hope Morgan does a great job. But I go in starting with serious doubts: 1) that this is an actual upgrade; and 2) that he can keep Tepper from being the de facto GM.
Bad teams are bad because of who is at the top. It is not about players. Every team has the same player pool to choose from.
The Packers had 2 decades of futility because of leadership - being run like a mom & pop business in a dog-eat-dog world.
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Then why are they ditching the offensive coordinator?
Don't know. Maybe that was the edict from on high.
They're also ditching the defensive coordinator.
Regardless, the Eagles defense is what did them in.
They still had a top 10 offense this year, both in points scored and yards.
The defense, on the other hand, went from 8th to 30th in points allowed, and 2nd to 26th in yards allowed.
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I'm not sure why the Eagles decided to hold onto Sirianni, yet both of his coordinators have been fired. Does that ever work?
This is, in my opinion, why having a coach that calls plays (specifically offense) is important. Coaching staffs change, whether by promotion or firing, and that increases the risk of a HC hire that doesn't innately have the skills to weather that.
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Did he really refer to 64 year old Rich McKay as "John McKay's kid?"
64 year old Rich McKay who was a GM for almost 20 years (and built a SB winner in Tampa) before becoming CEO of the Falcons, also oversaw the building of both Raymond James Stadium and MB Stadium, but yea...just some nobody nepo baby.
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Why does the Belichick and Harbaugh derby seem to center around Atlanta? On paper, their roster situation would seem worse than San Diego's for sure, probably Seattle's, and similar to Washington's. Is it just the preference to work for Blank vs the other owners?
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Don't know. Maybe that was the edict from on high.
They're also ditching the defensive coordinator.
Regardless, the Eagles defense is what did them in.
They still had a top 10 offense this year, both in points scored and yards.
The defense, on the other hand, went from 8th to 30th in points allowed, and 2nd to 26th in yards allowed.
This article disagrees that the offense wasn't a problem.
https://theathletic.com/5221550/2024/01/23/brian-johnson-fired-eagles-offensive-coordinator-nfl/
The Eagles failed to maintain the fullness of its offensive dominance after the departure of Steichen. Sirianni attempted to foster continuity by promoting Johnson from quarterbacks coach to offensive play caller. Although the offense excelled at times to begin the season, the system broke down toward the end of the season in a succession of offensive series that often appeared disjointed, predictable and ineffective in crucial situations.
The Eagles struggled to secure a true offensive identity and the system often appeared in conflict with itself. Johnson tried to empower quarterback Jalen Hurts by equipping the quarterback with a list of checks that he could use at the line of scrimmage. Sometimes this worked. Hurts checked to a game-changing deep pass to DeVonta Smith against the Kansas City Chiefs. Sometimes it failed. A.J. Brown said they’d improvised the damning play against the Seattle Seahawks in which Hurts threw a game-ending interception while trying to throw deep to Brown in double coverage.
The achievements and accolades offensive players still secured in 2023 make the system’s failures even more confounding. Brown logged the franchise’s second-most receiving yards in a season (1,456). D’Andre Swift rushed for a career-high 1,049 yards and was named to his first Pro Bowl. Hurts broke Cam Newton’s NFL record with 15 rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, often via the mostly unstoppable “Brotherly Shove.”
Still, the Eagles failed to score 20 points in five of their final seven games. Hurts struggled mightily against the blitz, and Sirianni, Johnson and the offensive staff did not appear to supply Hurts with sufficient answers against heavy rushes in predictable passing situations.
That the Eagles were incapable of fielding even a mediocre offense during the season’s catastrophic collapse was a severe indictment. — Brooks Kubena, Eagles beat writer
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Why does the Belichick and Harbaugh derby seem to center around Atlanta? On paper, their roster situation would seem worse than San Diego's for sure, probably Seattle's, and similar to Washington's. Is it just the preference to work for Blank vs the other owners?
Chargers are considered cheap by some NFL folks. There is concern Seattle could be for sale in the near future. Just some guesses, though, the Seattle one doesn’t seem to have much legs
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I think Atlanta might be the only team that has any interest in Bellichick.
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Why does the Belichick and Harbaugh derby seem to center around Atlanta? On paper, their roster situation would seem worse than San Diego's for sure, probably Seattle's, and similar to Washington's. Is it just the preference to work for Blank vs the other owners?
I may be an outlier here, but I think the Falcons roster situation is good other than at QB (which yeah, is kind of important).
Other than that, they have good young players at the skill positions, a good offensive line and a good-enough defense. And they play in the league's weakest division with a good owner who's willing to spend.
The Chargers have Herbert, which is obviously huge, but what else? Derwin James is either cooked or was playing very hurt last year. Bosa is very good, but often hurt. Can't imagine they're bringing back Ekeler at his age. Keenan Allen will soon turn 32. Mike Williams is another guy who can't stay healthy. Khalil Mack has a $38.5 million cap hit next year, so I can't imagine he's back. The o-line stinks. Their last two first-round picks are venturing into bust land. And the Spanos family aren't known for their willingness to invest in the team.
The Charges still have tons going their way, but I can see why some might view the Falcons as an equally/more attractive option.
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This article disagrees that the offense wasn't a problem.
I didn't write that. I wrote that the defense was a much bigger problem.
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I may be an outlier here, but I think the Falcons roster situation is good other than at QB (which yeah, is kind of important).
Other than that, they have good young players at the skill positions, a good offensive line and a good-enough defense. And they play in the league's weakest division with a good owner who's willing to spend.
The Chargers have Herbert, which is obviously huge, but what else? Derwin James is either cooked or was playing very hurt last year. Bosa is very good, but often hurt. Can't imagine they're bringing back Ekeler at his age. Keenan Allen will soon turn 32. Mike Williams is another guy who can't stay healthy. Khalil Mack has a $38.5 million cap hit next year, so I can't imagine he's back. The o-line stinks. Their last two first-round picks are venturing into bust land. And the Spanos family aren't known for their willingness to invest in the team.
The Charges still have tons going their way, but I can see why some might view the Falcons as an equally/more attractive option.
Yea its interesting. You have the Chargers with one of the best young QBs in the league but notoriously stingy and not well-liked ownership. Then the Falcons, no QB but a better overall situation with good young weapons and a really good owner. Both have great new stadiums in fairly desirable places to live with NFL HC resources...but also, one is in a division with Patrick Mahomes and the other is in a division with Bryce Young, Derek Carr, and whoever they replace Baker with.
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I didn't write that. I wrote that the defense was a much bigger problem.
So when you said this...
The Eagles' problem this year wasn't really the offense, though.
And quoted stats like this...
They still had a top 10 offense this year, both in points scored and yards.
and this...
There was a slight dip - from 5.9 yards per play to 5.4 and 2.5 points per drive to 2.33.
...you didn't say that the offense wasn't a problem?
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...you didn't say that the offense wasn't a problem?
Right.
They scored the 7th most points in the league and gave up the 30th most.
Feel free to look at that and argue "Boy, the offense is what really killed them this year."
I'll disagree.
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Right.
They scored the 7th most points in the league and gave up the 30th most.
Feel free to look at that and argue "Boy, the offense is what really killed them this year."
I'll disagree.
I posted the article from the Athletic that outlines why those who follow the team thought it was a problem. Frankly I will take their assessment more seriously than your simple reciting of season-long statistics.
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I posted the article from the Athletic that outlines why those who follow the team thought it was a problem. Frankly I will take their assessment more seriously than your simple reciting of season-long statistics.
Thanks for being frank.
But if cutting and pasting someone else's thoughts is all it takes (very Heisey):
The real culprit is Eagles' Defense
The defense has been worse. Much, much worse. There's been no return to the light for it like there has been for the offense. Three weeks ago, the Eagles tried shaking things up at play caller by turning to Matt Patricia to replace Sean Desai, but that's proven to be nothing more than a different presentation of the same poor results.
This is an Eagles defense that could not recreate the magic from last season to begin with, and it has atrophied as this season has gone along. The cost of min-max roster building and the misfortune of a nasty injury bug turned this unit into an almost unrecognizable entity from the force we saw a year ago.
Sadly for the Eagles, this isn't a situation with a clear diagnosis. There's no one issue or position group plaguing them. All three layers of the defense have varying issues, ranging from a practice squad-caliber linebacker group to a defensive line that is producing well below its talent level on paper.
Regression Starts Up Front
Let's start with the underwhelming defensive line. By and large, it's the same unit as last season as far as the main characters go. First-round draft pick Jalen Carter replaced veteran defensive tackle Javon Hargrave, who signed with the 49ers in free agency, but it's the same dudes otherwise. The rest of the starting lineup and most of the key role players are unchanged.
And yet, that same group cannot get to the quarterback the way it could a year ago. The 2022 Eagles recorded 70 sacks, the third-most in NFL history. They have 41 through 16 games this season, right in lockstep with the NFL average. There would always be some regression after a near-historic season in 2022, but falling back down to average hurts.
A lot of the issue is their ability to get it done on clear passing downs. Last year, the Eagles dominated on third down. They produced a 23.4 percent sack rate, by far the best in the league.
So much of that was their creativity in how they attacked the quarterback. Then-defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon loved to place five rushers on the line of scrimmage and threaten all five linemen. He also constantly changed up who was coming from where, using twists and stunts with great success.
That aspect of the defense died in 2023. Desai's, and now Patricia's, defenses don't do as impressive a job mixing up their rush paths and disrupting them. They attack with five rushers less often, and their four-man rush approach features a lot more of a "line up and play" mentality.
The stale approach has turned the Eagles from the fiercest third-down pass rush in the league to the worst, only getting home on 7.5 percent of third downs this season.
The issue up front is less about the talent and more about how the talent is being used.
Back seven suffers from talent Deficiency
For the second and third levels of the defense, that's not the case. The Eagles have a talent deficiency at each level that has limited them schematically in a big way.
Linebacker is a clear pain point for the Eagles. It was always going to be given how they handled the offseason. The linebacker corps was the weakest part of the Eagles' defense last year, but T.J. Edwards at least gave them stable play in the run game and Kyzir White's athleticism made him a useful player in coverage and on the perimeter. Far from a perfect duo, but a functional one.
Edwards and White walked in free agency. Philly's plan to replace them was 2022 third-round pick Nakobe Dean, who came into the league with shoulder injuries and a small frame, and journeymen Nicholas Morrow and Zach Cunningham.
Dean has not been healthy for most of the year. Morrow and Cunningham have missed time, forcing the Eagles to turn to undrafted rookie Ben VanSumeren, Christian Ellis and a depleted version of Shaq Leonard, whom the Colts cut midseason, at different points. It's been bad.
Safety Turns Into a Black Hole
The poor linebacker play is only exacerbated by issues at safety. Last year, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson and Marcus Epps led the charge. Gardner-Johnson was a safety/nickel hybrid who could play legit man-to-man coverage and Epps brought a ton of speed and energy, even if sometimes misguided.
Arizona Cardinals running back James Conner runs through the Philadelphia Eagles
The Philadelphia Eagles defense appeared powerless against James Conner and the Arizona Cardinals. (Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports)
Philly's new safeties have not been up to the same standard. Reed Blankenship has been a replacement-level player. Terrell Edmunds was shaky before being traded to the Tennessee Titans in exchange for Kevin Byard, who has been better but not in such a way that has altered the defense's fate.
As Desai and Patricia have discovered, there's only so much you can do as a playcaller when linebackers can't cover whatsoever, and the safeties have no discernible skills that unlock schematic answers.
None of the Eagles' current linebackers can run in man coverage, and they aren't as sound in zone coverage as Edwards and White were at times. Byard and Blankenship are fine players at safety, but neither can go toe-to-toe with a tight end or slot receiver in man coverage the way Gardner-Johnson could.
Finding answers on defense starts with having players who can solve problems. There just aren't players like that up the spine of the Eagles defense. That's not to excuse Desai or Patricia entirely, but at a certain point, there's only so much you can do unless you want to fully lean into the psycho realm Brian Flores has entered with the Minnesota Vikings, which is not a turn the defense can make one week before the postseason.
Is There a Solution?
Therein lies the bitter truth for the Eagles: it's hard to find the fix. The middle of the defense doesn't have the bodies, and we're far too late in the season to adopt a new identity entirely.
Perhaps the same could have been said about the Buffalo Bills a month ago, but even that was a different circumstance. The Bills, though also gutted by injury, at least had the fallback of schematic continuity. Coach Sean McDermott has been there for years. His system and his language has been in place for a long time. That makes it easier to insert backups into the lineup and cover up the pain points in the defense.
The Eagles don't have that. Not only did they begin the year with a new defensive coordinator, but they installed another one with a month left in the season. Continuity is a foreign concept for this Eagles defense.
It's more than likely this is just what the Eagles defense is for the remainder of the season. And if that's the case, it won't be good enough to compete with the best in the NFC.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/the-philadelphia-eagles-have-a-defense-problem/
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Raiders reportedly hiring Tom Telesco as GM.
Not sure what they're thinking with that one. At least they're not bringing him on to hire a coach.
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Thanks for being frank.
But if cutting and pasting someone else's thoughts is all it takes (very Heisey):
Shifting goalposts. Very Heisey of you.
(I never said defense wasn't a problem.)
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For those of you looking for a DC (looking at you, Packers and Eagles), Vic Fangio has hit the open market.
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For those of you looking for a DC (looking at you, Packers and Eagles), Vic Fangio has hit the open market.
Sounds like Eagles is basically already done.
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For those of you looking for a DC (looking at you, Packers and Eagles), Vic Fangio has hit the open market.
This was disappointing. I thought he got a bum rap for the job he did with Miami.
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This was disappointing. I thought he got a bum rap for the job he did with Miami.
The Fangio defense has kind of run its course.
I'd wait to see what happens with the HC positions. There are a lot of HC candidates that are defensive coaches. Not all of them will find HC jobs and you might get a better than expected shot at a DC
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The Fangio defense has kind of run its course.
I'd wait to see what happens with the HC positions. There are a lot of HC candidates that are defensive coaches. Not all of them will find HC jobs and you might get a better than expected shot at a DC
Agreed. Defenses and Offenses get figured out. Good coordinators adjust to the new paradigm.
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Harbaugh to the Chargers sounds like a done deal.
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So how much trouble is Michigan in that Harbaugh bailed?
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Ben Johnson taking over the Commanders sounds like a done deal.
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So how much trouble is Michigan in that Harbaugh bailed?
Think it had more to do with winning a Super Bowl. He didn’t have anything else to do at Michigan and leaves one of the better staffs behind. Minter and Jay Harbaugh probably tag along.
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Allegedly, bears didn't even ask.
Harbaugh, Slowik, Johnson, Vrabel... Whoever else I'm forgetting.
Bears have their coach. 10-24.
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Allegedly, bears didn't even ask.
Harbaugh, Slowik, Johnson, Vrabel... Whoever else I'm forgetting.
Bears have their coach. 10-24.
I don't love Eberflus and would be just fine if they moved on from him. I was a pro Harbaugh until I heard Harbaugh state emphatically that Michigan was completely innocent of all allegations resulting in both suspensions. I wonder how either arrogant he is that he thinks people believe that, and I suppose that the University was out to get him by accepting one suspension and self imposing the other, or that he is that removed from reality that he actually believes his position.
A reasonable person admits some "errors" of judgment or ignorance of the rules. Like I said, he basically rolled UofM under the bus with his statement. Just a poor decision by someone who wants to lead a team. I don't want that.
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Panthers reportedly have their next coach: Bucs OC Dave Canales
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39386316/panthers-hire-buccaneers-dave-canales-coach
From the article:
Canales was the passing game coordinator for the Seahawks in 2020 when Wilson set career highs with 40 touchdowns and a 68.8 completion percentage and also passed for 4,212 yards.
He was the quarterbacks coach for Seattle in 2022 when Smith passed for a career-high 4,282 yards and 30 touchdowns with a 69.8 completion percentage.
He was the offensive coordinator at Tampa Bay this past season when Mayfield, who spent the previous season with the Panthers, had a career-high 4,044 yards, 28 touchdowns and 64.3 completion percentage.
Canales will inherit Young, the No. 1 pick of the 2023 draft, who had statistically one of the worst seasons in NFL history for a quarterback taken with the top pick.
It would be great if he can help Young be great. But really, I just hope he can make it through the entire 2024 season without Tepper going behind his back and eventually firing him.
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Look, I get that there are legit concerns about Bill Belichick and why the Falcons didn't want to pull that trigger.
But Raheem Morris???
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Look, I get that there are legit concerns about Bill Belichick and why the Falcons didn't want to pull that trigger.
But Raheem Morris???
He was their interim in 2020 too. Was his stint with the Rams that convincing for them?
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Apparently, teams in the NFL saw Brady as the GOAT - not Belichick.
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Meanwhile Mike Vrabel is still sitting there
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Apparently, teams in the NFL saw Brady as the GOAT - not Belichick.
I'm curious how much roster control Belichick is requesting.
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Meanwhile Mike Vrabel is still sitting there
I hope no one is waiting for MLF to call him about the DC job.
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He wouldn't and shouldn't take it. Vrabel has proven himself a good executive. Don't lower your floor.
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@SlaterNFL
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The Chicago Bears will interview Joe Barry for the defensive coordinator position per sources. They are also meeting with #Bills AHC/DL coach Eric Washington for defensive coordinator per sources. twitter.com/slaternfl/stat…
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The Chicago Bears will interview Joe Barry for the defensive coordinator position per sources. They are also meeting with #Bills AHC/DL coach Eric Washington for defensive coordinator per sources. twitter.com/slaternfl/stat…
I'm sure we'll all respond to this rationally and respectfully
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Well the Packers are interviewing his protege Brandon Staley...
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Well the Packers are interviewing his protege Brandon Staley...
Can't go for it on fourth down when you're just the DC.
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The Chicago Bears will interview Joe Barry for the defensive coordinator position per sources. They are also meeting with #Bills AHC/DL coach Eric Washington for defensive coordinator per sources. twitter.com/slaternfl/stat…
Well, we donated Tonyan, Graham, St. Brown, Patrick, Lewis, and Dix already. Barry is almost as good as any of those guys. Almost like putting your used junk on the curb and hoping someone will stop and grab it.
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Don't forget Mike Pettine.
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@SlaterNFL
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The Chicago Bears will interview Joe Barry for the defensive coordinator position per sources. They are also meeting with #Bills AHC/DL coach Eric Washington for defensive coordinator per sources. twitter.com/slaternfl/stat…
Barry's defense did look amazing against Getsy's offense.
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Apparently, teams in the NFL saw Brady as the GOAT - not Belichick.
I'm curious how much roster control Belichick is requesting.
Yea, I think there is a variety of things at play here. Also, not to mention Belichick wasn't necessarily some "I'll take your 11 and beat my 11" kind of coach. So much of his success was scheme, talent to fit it, continuity, longevity, etc... Not exactly the kind of stuff that immediately would pay dividends in Year 1, besides the fact that he's past his prime.
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I'm curious how much roster control Belichick is requesting.
Too much, to get hired so far in this cycle
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https://sports.yahoo.com/as-falcons-pass-on-bill-belichick-its-clear-what-is-shutting-him-out-of-this-nfl-head-coaching-hiring-cycle-012324964.html
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https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/25/trevor-lawrence-jaguars-contract-extension-deal-trent-baalke/
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Pro Football writers name Baker Mayfield Most Improved Player
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/baker-mayfield-2023-nfl-most-improved-player-of-the-year-pfwa#
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Apparently, teams in the NFL saw Brady as the GOAT - not Belichick.
Eh ... Belichick wanted full control over football ops and Blank didn't want to give it to him. Really didn't have anything to do with Belichick's coaching acumen.
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Eh ... Belichick wanted full control over football ops and Blank didn't want to give it to him. Really didn't have anything to do with Belichick's coaching acumen.
I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.
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I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.
There’s plenty more evidence to suggest he’s a great coach.
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I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.
What's the evidence?
How many Super Bowls did Jimmy Johnson win without Aikman? Walsh without Montana? Reid without Mahomes? Noll without Bradshaw (and a half-dozen other HOFers)? Shanahan without Elway?
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Didn't Walsh win with Young?
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Didn't Walsh win with Young?
No, that was 1994 with George Seifert. Walsh retired five years earlier.
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Didn't Walsh win with Young?
Pretty sure that was Siefert.
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Didn't Walsh win with Young?
No sir. Seifert was the coach for Montana's last Super Bowl win and Young's only Super Bowl win.
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Memory fades. Acknowledged.
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There’s plenty more evidence to suggest he’s a great coach.
Without a doubt. Plus he was, for a period of time, the best GM in the NFL. He had a great feel for when guys were losing ability and move on from them and he drafted well in later rounds.
I don't like Bill or the Patriots, so I don't take joy in admitting that, but you have to respect what he did.
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Without a doubt. Plus he was, for a period of time, the best GM in the NFL. He had a great feel for when guys were losing ability and move on from them and he drafted well in later rounds.
I don't like Bill or the Patriots, so I don't take joy in admitting that, but you have to respect what he did.
Was he the best GM? Or did the front office grow inbred, like the coaching staff, by only promoting from within.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-patriots-front-office-brain-drain-has-impacted-bill-belichicks-rosters
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Which team is going to spend $90 million for two years of Kirk Cousins?
Atlanta, maybe? They could probably sell themselves on the idea that they're a decent QB away from the playoffs, especially in that division. Denver won't have the cap space. Vegas seems more likely to draft someone or run it back with O'Connell than risk Jimmy G Part II. New England is in a rebuild. Steelers don't seem likely to have the cap.
https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/report-kirk-cousins-asking-price-will-be-too-much-vikings
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Which team is going to spend $90 million for two years of Kirk Cousins?
Atlanta, maybe? They could probably sell themselves on the idea that they're a decent QB away from the playoffs, especially in that division. Denver won't have the cap space. Vegas seems more likely to draft someone or run it back with O'Connell than risk Jimmy G Part II. New England is in a rebuild. Steelers don't seem likely to have the cap.
https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/report-kirk-cousins-asking-price-will-be-too-much-vikings
I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.
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I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.
Whose perception?
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I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.
I don't think "a lot of teams" will bid at $45M a year.
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Was he the best GM? Or did the front office grow inbred, like the coaching staff, by only promoting from within.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-patriots-front-office-brain-drain-has-impacted-bill-belichicks-rosters
I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme. Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.
That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it. Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with. And that caused the empire to crumble.
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I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme. Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.
That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it. Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with. And that caused the empire to crumble.
I've seen this in organizations outside football. Longtime leaders prefer people in roles they know they will get along with rather than newer people with outside ideas.
I have no doubt that NFL front offices are wary of hiring him due to this. They know way more than the general public or what is being reported.
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I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme. Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.
That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it. Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with. And that caused the empire to crumble.
I think you are spot on. It happens in every sport. A wise man once said it is better to get rid of a player one year too soon than one year too late. But I guess it is understandable since the team sinks a lot of $$$$ developing a player, so they are reluctant to get rid of him.
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Ben Johnson staying in Detroit.
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Ben Johnson staying in Detroit.
Good start to the off-season for Detroit
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Just another Campbell enabler.
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Just another Campbell enabler.
I hope Campbell has learned his lesson and will change how he does things to try and emulate the Lions coaches that came before him
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I hope Campbell has learned his lesson and will change how he does things to try and emulate the Lions coaches that came before him
I expect it will be the Rockette routine. 1-2-3 kick. Like the good old days.
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Ben Johnson staying in Detroit.
No one paying $15 mill?
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Mike Macdonald gets the Seabags job. Imagine that will impact teams DC hires as someone may get promoted in Baltimore and Macdonald will probably bring some guys along
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No one paying $15 mill?
No reason to think that the report is true. Simply Schefter putting it out there because 1 team (Commanders) told him that so they didn't look bad when he didn't want their job. If he was a real reporter, he would have gone to Johnson's camp and gotten their side.
But then, this is the reason teams leak info to Schefter 5 minutes before they were gonna announce it anyway.
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No reason to think that the report is true. Simply Schefter putting it out there because 1 team (Commanders) told him that so they didn't look bad when he didn't want their job. If he was a real reporter, he would have gone to Johnson's camp and gotten their side.
It wasn't Schefter who put it out there.
But why would teams leak a false salary demand from Johnson? What's the benefit?
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It wasn't Schefter who put it out there.
But why would teams leak a false salary demand from Johnson? What's the benefit?
My answer was referring to the post that Johnson was asking for $15M. I believe that was put out there by Schefter.
Maybe Johnson didn't want to go to on of the most dysfunctional teams in the NFL over the last couple decades.
Most head coaches only get one chance. If you are 37 years old, you don't have to jump at the 1st team that comes along.
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Or you could believe what Johnson said.
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Not related to his alleged salary requirements, but Ben Johnson was part of a HEATER stretch from his HS in Asheville. In the span of 5-6 years, it produced former UNC QB/Survivor alum/successful country artist Chase Rice, then UNC QB and now hot shot OC Ben Johnson, then country megastar Luke Combs, and then another UNC QB and social media phenom Caleb Pressley. It would be impressive to have that all come from a city as small as Asheville, but all from a single HS in that city is wild.
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Mike Macdonald gets the Seabags job. Imagine that will impact teams DC hires as someone may get promoted in Baltimore and Macdonald will probably bring some guys along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjqcf5F0YRg
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Dan Quinn to the Washington Football Team
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Dan Quinn to the Washington Football Team
From my DC native BIL..."Snyder selling the team was the most excited Ive been about the NFL since RG3 had 2 functioning knees...and new ownership didn't even get to a new season before smashing my hopes and dreams."
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Anomaly or trend?
For the first time since 2015, more defensive guys were hired as head coaches than offensive-minded guys (5 to 3).
In the previous eight cycles, 39 offensive-minded coaches were hired compared to 16 from the defensive side.
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Anomaly or trend?
For the first time since 2015, more defensive guys were hired as head coaches than offensive-minded guys (5 to 3).
In the previous eight cycles, 39 offensive-minded coaches were hired compared to 16 from the defensive side.
By my quick count, 10 out of 12 playoff head coaches were offensive minded.
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From my DC native BIL..."Snyder selling the team was the most excited Ive been about the NFL since RG3 had 2 functioning knees...and new ownership didn't even get to a new season before smashing my hopes and dreams."
I get being a bit disappointed - Quinn isn't splashy and his resume is a lot like Rivera's. But that seems a bit dramatic, too. Its not like they hired Josh McDaniels. I don't really understand hiring Dan Quinn when Mike Vrabel is right there, but he's not going to burn the place down.
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From my DC native BIL..."Snyder selling the team was the most excited Ive been about the NFL since RG3 had 2 functioning knees...and new ownership didn't even get to a new season before smashing my hopes and dreams."
Atlanta was 10-22 the two seasons before Quinn got there. Two years later, they were in the Super Bowl.
I guess I could understand your BIL not being excited, but there could have been WAAAAAAAY worse hires.
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By my quick count, 10 out of 12 playoff head coaches were offensive minded.
Well, 14 teams make the playoffs.
Offensive (9): Stefanski, McDaniel, Reid, Lafleur, McCarthy, McVay, Campbell, Sirianni, Shanahan
Defensive (4): Bowles, McDermott, Tomlin, Ryans
Special teams/Defense (1): Harbaugh
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Fun fact from The Athletic:
Carroll and Belichick are 72 and 71 years old, respectively. Their replacements, Macdonald and Mayo, are a combined 73.
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Well, 14 teams make the playoffs.
Offensive (9): Stefanski, McDaniel, Reid, Lafleur, McCarthy, McVay, Campbell, Sirianni, Shanahan
Defensive (4): Bowles, McDermott, Tomlin, Ryans
Special teams/Defense (1): Harbaugh
Thanks. One could argue if that means anything compared to this hiring class, but that is the way of the NFL success it would seem, especially with offensive friendly rules changes.
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Fun fact from The Athletic:
Carroll and Belichick are 72 and 71 years old, respectively. Their replacements, Macdonald and Mayo, are a combined 73.
Also, MacDonald is the youngest HC in the league...and Carroll was the oldest
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Lions keep Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. They snag a new defensive line coach from Tennessee, Terrell Williams.
An experienced, dynamic D-line could certainly help one of the weaknesses from last season. Detroit was stout against the run but had an erratic pass rush. This highlighted the weak secondary.
If he is still available, I predict the Lions take T'Vondre Sweat to bolster the D-line.
Then look to free agency for new corners.
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Raiders hire Luke Getsey as their offensive coordinator. That team has the potential of being an absolute disaster next year.
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Raiders hire Luke Getsey as their offensive coordinator. That team has the potential of being an absolute disaster next year.
Aaron Rodgers vouches for Getsy. And he knows good coaches
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The fact Getsy got OC interviews with at least three teams and landed a job may indicate that the NFL views the Bears' crappy passing game as more of a quarterback problem than a coaching problem.
Maybe Getsy is indeed terrible, but it's hard to implement an NFL-level passing scheme with a QB who can't read half the field or throw an intermediate route.
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The fact Getsy got OC interviews with at least three teams and landed a job may indicate that the NFL views the Bears' crappy passing game as more of a quarterback problem than a coaching problem.
Maybe Getsy is indeed terrible, but it's hard to implement an NFL-level passing scheme with a QB who can't read half the field or throw an intermediate route.
I'm not a fan of Getsy, but you're take is logical and difficult to argue.
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The fact Getsy got OC interviews with at least three teams and landed a job may indicate that the NFL views the Bears' crappy passing game as more of a quarterback problem than a coaching problem.
Maybe Getsy is indeed terrible, but it's hard to implement an NFL-level passing scheme with a QB who can't read half the field or throw an intermediate route.
The history of the NFL never hiring people who failed elsewhere suggests this is accurate.
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What if the Raiders trade for Fields? That could be fun.
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The history of the NFL never hiring people who failed elsewhere suggests this is accurate.
Yeah, that was totally my point.
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Aaron Rodgers has made a lot of mediocre coaches a lot of money. The fact Hackett has a job still is 100% to keep Rodgers happy. Jets could save some money by just naming Rodgers OC.
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Aaron Rodgers has made a lot of mediocre coaches a lot of money. The fact Hackett has a job still is 100% to keep Rodgers happy. Jets could save some money by just naming Rodgers OC.
McCarthy says hi and thank you. ;D
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McCarthy isn’t a bad coach. He just generally has a high floor without the high ceiling.
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McCarthy isn’t a bad coach. He just generally has a high floor without the high ceiling.
I also think there was a time he was a pretty innovative offensive coach, but that time passed and he never really adjusted.
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I also think there was a time he was a pretty innovative offensive coach, but that time passed and he never really adjusted.
He’s been better in Dallas than he was at the end of his time in Green Bay with regards to scheming things up.
When it ended in GB, he couldn’t get mismatches or the WR schemed open. TE usage has been better. Just think Dallas is one of those organizations where things don’t completely turn until the structure upstairs changes
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With the passage of time, I'm hoping we all learned the end of the McCarthy era in GB wasn't solely on Mike...
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With the passage of time, I'm hoping we all learned the end of the McCarthy era in GB wasn't solely on Mike...
I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone with eyes that 12 tanked McCarthy's last season, as evidenced by his abrupt return to MVP form under LeFleur.
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I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone with eyes that 12 tanked McCarthy's last season, as evidenced by his abrupt return to MVP form under LeFleur.
I think a new voice and them drafting his replacement had more to do with Rodgers' resurgence. Similar to Favre finding it again when McCarthy was hired.
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https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/kirk-cousins-i-would-love-to-know-where-im-going
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Ejiro Evero officially staying with Panthers as DC.
Not a huge surprise, as he's under contract and the Panthers didn't give other teams permission to pursue him for a lateral move.
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Ejiro Evero officially staying with Panthers as DC.
Not a huge surprise, as he's under contract and the Panthers didn't give other teams permission to pursue him for a lateral move.
That’s a good win for them.
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The Athletic article on Ben Johnson turning down Washington is either very self aware of Johnson knowing he should never be a head coach or somewhat damning for his future prospects of getting a head coaching job.
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Steve Belichick lands the U of Washington defensive coordinator job.
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The NFL is so strange sometimes.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/06/mike-vrabel-physical-size-turned-teams-off-hiring-him-report\\
“I don’t think there was a fit for him. I don’t think he sat in front of any owner who thought that his style was going to work for what they were looking for,” said Russini.
“I had a GM at the Senior Bowl who mentioned to me Vrabel’s physical build, that he’s a very large human being and can be very intimidating to people in an organization that are going to be part of these decisions. And that is a factor.”
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The NFL is so strange sometimes.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/06/mike-vrabel-physical-size-turned-teams-off-hiring-him-report\\
“I don’t think there was a fit for him. I don’t think he sat in front of any owner who thought that his style was going to work for what they were looking for,” said Russini.
“I had a GM at the Senior Bowl who mentioned to me Vrabel’s physical build, that he’s a very large human being and can be very intimidating to people in an organization that are going to be part of these decisions. And that is a factor.”
It's not like Dan Campbell, Jerod Mayo, DeMeco Ryans or even Antonio Pierce are midgets.
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Dan Quinn and the Commanders adding Kingsbury as OC adds an interesting wrinkle to the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Could be a coincidence, but for a seemingly finicky QB prospect, his college OC going to his hometown team that happens to have a high draft pick, capital to further trade up, and very much needs a QB is intriguing...
Related, another offseason of people trumpeting slanted nonsense about Eric Bieniemy. After a season in which his offense in Washington not only faltered, but was uninventive and stubborn, and which his players publicly complained about him early in the season...and which 3 African Americans (and a Latino) were hired as HCs along with half a dozen African Americans were hired as coordinators....people still claim he's being railroaded solely on the basis of race.
Nobody with a brain is claiming there aren't racial issues in the NFL and that the well meaning Rooney Rule is often cheaply circumvented, but maybe, just maybe, Bieniemy is no longer the best use case to champion. The Commanders stunk and had limited weapons, but the offense literally regressed but yet now he should still get HC looks regardless ::)
It's not like Dan Campbell, Jerod Mayo, DeMeco Ryans or even Antonio Pierce are midgets.
Exactly. And Campbell is even bigger than Vrabel and even more big, over caffI have a toothacheted meathead forward stereotype. Hey, at least it wasn't a terribly hidden dog whistle this time?
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Dan Quinn and the Commanders adding Kingsbury as OC adds an interesting wrinkle to the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Could be a coincidence, but for a seemingly finicky QB prospect, his college OC going to his hometown team that happens to have a high draft pick, capital to further trade up, and very much needs a QB is intriguing...
It is very intriguing. I have my doubts that Washington will move the draft capital they just added to for a QB. Washington is one team that you could argue should be trading down for more picks.
If Williams is such a slam dunk pick that Washington will bet the farm on him, chance are the Bears will feel the same and keep the pick.
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Dan Quinn and the Commanders adding Kingsbury as OC adds an interesting wrinkle to the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Could be a coincidence, but for a seemingly finicky QB prospect, his college OC going to his hometown team that happens to have a high draft pick, capital to further trade up, and very much needs a QB is intriguing...
Related, another offseason of people trumpeting slanted nonsense about Eric Bieniemy. After a season in which his offense in Washington not only faltered, but was uninventive and stubborn, and which his players publicly complained about him early in the season...and which 3 African Americans (and a Latino) were hired as HCs along with half a dozen African Americans were hired as coordinators....people still claim he's being railroaded solely on the basis of race.
Nobody with a brain is claiming there aren't racial issues in the NFL and that the well meaning Rooney Rule is often cheaply circumvented, but maybe, just maybe, Bieniemy is no longer the best use case to champion. The Commanders stunk and had limited weapons, but the offense literally regressed but yet now he should still get HC looks regardless ::)
Exactly. And Campbell is even bigger than Vrabel and even more big, over caffI have a toothacheted meathead forward stereotype. Hey, at least it wasn't a terribly hidden dog whistle this time?
If I'm the bears and I really like Williams, it's gonna take a Hershel walker/Ricky Williams type trade (multiple 1s and 2s) + a player like Payne to get me to move.
Tanking your franchise to move up 1 spot seems shortsighted.
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It is very intriguing. I have my doubts that Washington will move the draft capital they just added to for a QB. Washington is one team that you could argue should be trading down for more picks.
If Williams is such a slam dunk pick that Washington will bet the farm on him, chance are the Bears will feel the same and keep the pick.
Williams doesn't have a lot of leverage, but he could be a real pain in the ass for the Bears if he chose to be
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Williams doesn't have a lot of leverage, but he could be a real pain in the ass for the Bears if he chose to be
You could argue about if he has any leverage, but it doesn't matter. He has said he would be happy to go to Chicago. He is looking for a big market team and Chicago is far from your typical #1 pick quality of team.
When Cowherd floated the idea that he didn't want Chicago, Caleb shot it down the very same day. Caleb doesn't want even the rumors of not wanting to Chicago out there. He completely de-leveraged any perceived leverage.
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You could argue about if he has any leverage, but it doesn't matter. He has said he would be happy to go to Chicago. He is looking for a big market team and Chicago is far from your typical #1 pick quality of team.
I have no idea what this even means.
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I have no idea what this even means.
Most teams with the #1 pick are 1-3 win teams.
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I have no idea what this even means.
It means 7 wins is a lot for a team picking #1.
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Y'all are welcome!
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MAGA has come after the Rooney Rule.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/rooney-rule-placed-under-legal-171136325.html
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MAGA has come after the Rooney Rule.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/rooney-rule-placed-under-legal-171136325.html
Miller is such a ghoul.
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Miller is such a ghoul.
He can’t throw babies in cages anymore, so why not go after blacks.
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MAGA has come after the Rooney Rule.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/rooney-rule-placed-under-legal-171136325.html
The irony is it wouldn't change anything. The Rooney Rule has shown to be performative and mostly ineffective. I'd be willing to bet the Rooney Rule hasn't actually lead to any minority coaches being hired.
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The irony is it wouldn't change anything. The Rooney Rule has shown to be performative and mostly ineffective. I'd be willing to bet the Rooney Rule hasn't actually lead to any minority coaches being hired.
Mike Tomlin.
Russ Grimm was a near lock for the job after Cowher retired, but Tomlin blew away the Rooneys (coincidentally) in the interview. Can't know for sure, but a guy who had only been an NFL coordinator for one year (and for a 6-10 team) might not have had a shot at that interview without the rule.
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Mike Tomlin.
Russ Grimm was a near lock for the job after Cowher retired, but Tomlin blew away the Rooneys (coincidentally) in the interview. Can't know for sure, but a guy who had only been an NFL coordinator for one year (and for a 6-10 team) might not have had a shot at that interview without the rule.
I thought Tomlin was a pretty hot commodity even with little experience. I thought his job with Tampa put him on the map.
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Black coaches who have been brought in to interview due to the Rooney Rule have talked about the experience helping them in future situations. So even if they don't directly get hired in a cycle, the process still helped. Without the Rooney Rule, they wouldn't have even gotten that much.
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Ray Lewis introducing the In Memoriam segment and Prince Harry introducing the Payton Man of the Year award are…interesting decisions.
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I thought Tomlin was a pretty hot commodity even with little experience. I thought his job with Tampa put him on the map.
Best as I can find, Tomlin had one other HC interview before the Steelers hired him.
Regardless, it was widely believed that Grimm had the job sewn up ... so much so that Grimm later claimed the Rooneys told him the job was his and the local newspaper did a front-page story reporting that he would soon be announced as HC.
But for the rule, the Steelers may never have bothered to interview outside candidates.
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Apparently Steve Wilks was to blame for the Niners' loss.
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Apparently Steve Wilks was to blame for the Niners' loss.
Shanahan always gets a pass.
Hard to outscore anyone with 5 Pro Bowlers on offense PLUS Deebo and Aiyuk
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They need an average QB. Your talent around the QB and great scheme can win you a lot of games. But it’ll get exposed in the Playoffs.
Quite honestly, the Super Bowl is the game they probably SHOULD have won with how they played. They should have lost to both the Packers and the Lions.
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Shanahan always gets a pass.
Hard to outscore anyone with 5 Pro Bowlers on offense PLUS Deebo and Aiyuk
Shanahan was never going to get fired, nor should it even be in consideration. He hasn't won a Super Bowl, and that looks bad for sure, but in the last 5 years, he has 2 SB berths and 2 NFCG appearances while going 54-29 (which includes a 6-10 season). That's an insane consistency considering he's never had even an above average QB.
If there was a change to make it was probably there. Took over the best scoring defense in the NFL last year that was stingy in the playoffs before the Eagles went crazy. Had a good regular season but then gave up 26 PPG in the playoffs including a TON of big plays. Yea the offense has 5 Pro Bowlers, but the defense has 4, plus guys like Chase Young, Greenlaw, and Armstead.
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Yes. Underperformers on both sides of the ball. I’m still not convinced they are better than GB or Detroit.
I agree on Purdy. Love and Goff are far better.
But I wasn’t calling for Shanahan to be fired. Just saying he gets a pass. Others take the fall.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/trevor-lawrence-on-calvin-ridley-another-year-playing-together-its-only-going-to-get-better
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https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/trevor-lawrence-on-calvin-ridley-another-year-playing-together-its-only-going-to-get-better
Jags need a new QB
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Yes. Underperformers on both sides of the ball. I’m still not convinced they are better than GB or Detroit.
I agree on Purdy. Love and Goff are far better.
But I wasn’t calling for Shanahan to be fired. Just saying he gets a pass. Others take the fall.
Yea, I don't think he gets a pass, people take shots at him constantly. I think some fault definitely falls on him for bringing in a DC that didn't fit their personnel all that well. Honestly the similarities between him and early career Andy Reid are pretty compelling. Reid was doing it with a Pro Bowl caliber QB though.
I get the Niners FO wanted a fall guy, but I don't know who else they would have canned. Maybe Kubiak, but then he left and got the Saints OC job.
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Yea, I don't think he gets a pass, people take shots at him constantly. I think some fault definitely falls on him for bringing in a DC that didn't fit their personnel all that well. Honestly the similarities between him and early career Andy Reid are pretty compelling. Reid was doing it with a Pro Bowl caliber QB though.
I get the Niners FO wanted a fall guy, but I don't know who else they would have canned. Maybe Kubiak, but then he left and got the Saints OC job.
You don't think Purdy had a probowl caliber season?
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You don't think Purdy had a probowl caliber season?
He did. But a single Pro Bowl IMO doesn't mean all that much. I mean, Marc Bulger made a Pro Bowl.
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He did. But a single Pro Bowl IMO doesn't mean all that much. I mean, Marc Bulger made a Pro Bowl.
This is true, but Purdy is also 24 years old and in his second season, first as a full-time starter. Maybe is career flatlines from here, but there's plenty of reason to believe he continues to get better. Unlikely he ever becomes "elite," but barring injury I would be surprised if he doesn't have multiple Pro Bowls by the time he's finished and carves out a Matt Ryan-ish career.
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This is true, but Purdy is also 24 years old and in his second season, first as a full-time starter. Maybe is career flatlines from here, but there's plenty of reason to believe he continues to get better. Unlikely he ever becomes "elite," but barring injury I would be surprised if he doesn't have multiple Pro Bowls by the time he's finished and carves out a Matt Ryan-ish career.
I mean, Matt Ryan won an MVP and was sneakily one of the most underrated QBs of the last decade. I would be shocked if Purdy ends up a regular top 6-8 QB in the league, which is what I think of when I say Pro Bowl caliber, not just making a Pro Bowl.
Looking at QBs in the mid 20s (24-27 range) for guys in the next 6-8 years, I think he's definitely behind Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Hurts, Stroud, Herbert, and probably Tua. So that puts him in a bucket with Kyler, Levis, Love, and Lawrence as wait and sees. You could be right, I just don't see it yet. He majorly overperformed, but I think that was largely due to system and talent around him and got exposed a lot later on. I'd be STUNNED if he was putting up similar numbers next year with the tape that people have on him now.
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I mean, Matt Ryan won an MVP and was sneakily one of the most underrated QBs of the last decade.
I would be shocked if Purdy ends up a regular top 6-8 QB in the league, which is what I think of when I say Pro Bowl caliber, not just making a Pro Bowl.
Rich Gannon, Cam Newton, Boomer Esaison and Steve McNair also won MVPs.
Not sure that makes them elite QBs. Just means they had an elite season.
I would be shocked to learn that anyone believed Matt Ryan was regularly a top 6 to 8 over his career. He was a Pro Bowler four times in 14 seasons. All Pro just once. He was top 10 in passer rating four times in 14 seasons.
Strikes me more like a good QB who had one magical season, a la Gannon or Newton or Boomer.
Looking at QBs in the mid 20s (24-27 range) for guys in the next 6-8 years, I think he's definitely behind Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Hurts, Stroud, Herbert, and probably Tua. So that puts him in a bucket with Kyler, Levis, Love, and Lawrence as wait and sees.
If you're suggesting Purdy, Kyler and Levis all belong in the same bucket ... well, I very much disagree.
I'd be STUNNED if he was putting up similar numbers next year with the tape that people have on him now.
How much game tape do you believe NFL coordinators need?
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He did. But a single Pro Bowl IMO doesn't mean all that much. I mean, Marc Bulger made a Pro Bowl.
Marc Bulger? If you think Bulger's numbers are anywhere near Purdy, you've lost all credibility in this discussion.
Purdy had an excellent year stats wise:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr (https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr)
He was pretty decent last year as well.
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Marc Bulger? If you think Bulger's numbers are anywhere near Purdy, you've lost all credibility in this discussion.
Purdy had an excellent year stats wise:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr (https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr)
He was pretty decent last year as well.
Purdy is better than Trevor Lawrence, too
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Marc Bulger? If you think Bulger's numbers are anywhere near Purdy, you've lost all credibility in this discussion.
Purdy had an excellent year stats wise:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr (https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr)
He was pretty decent last year as well.
You are the one that asked the question about the Pro Bowl. I by and large don’t think it’s relevant until they string a few together.
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If you're suggesting Purdy, Kyler and Levis all belong in the same bucket ... well, I very much disagree.
I don't like Kyler, but he was OROY, 2 time Pro Bowler, and some people are still very high on him, YMMV. Levis played half a season and showed flashes, he's very much an incomplete. People obviously differ, but I think Purdy is still an incomplete. I'm not gonna fight too hard against people who disagree, but I'm comfortable saying I don't think he'll ever be a top 8-10 guy. Very possible I'm wrong.
How much game tape do you believe NFL coordinators need?
There is tape on a week preparing for the Niners, and then there is tape built up over a season, including where Spags and others had success against him later in the season, that you can look at during the offseason. There are many different ways that tape can show more after a player has started for more than a few weeks to half/75% of a season. Plenty of guys take steps back in their second season and it didn't necessarily start during their first season.
I remember a Hard Knocks, maybe the Bucs a few years ago, where the DC was in the film room in preseason talking about a QB and saying something like "we didn't know his tendency towards this second read when we saw him last year".
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You are the one that asked the question about the Pro Bowl. I by and large don’t think it’s relevant until they string a few together.
Just refuting JWags statement that Purdy wasn't ProBowl caliber.
If you look at his rookie year, he had a better QBR than Cousins or Smith, who went to the ProBowl. It could be argued he would have made it if not for his injury.
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I don't like Kyler, but he was OROY, 2 time Pro Bowler, and some people are still very high on him, YMMV. Levis played half a season and showed flashes, he's very much an incomplete. People obviously differ, but I think Purdy is still an incomplete. I'm not gonna fight too hard against people who disagree, but I'm comfortable saying I don't think he'll ever be a top 8-10 guy. Very possible I'm wrong.
I probably didn't elaborate very well, but the point I was trying to make is that I can't put five-year veteran Kyler Murray in the same bucket with two-year guy Brock Purdy in the same bucket with nine-game guy Will Levis. They're all in very different stages of their careers.
I don't disagree that Purdy may never be a top 8 guy. But I don't think Ryan was a top 8 guy. He had one fantastic season that was a statistical and eye-test outlier from the rest of his career. He put up a 117.1 QB rating that year. He only exceeded 100 one other time in his other 13 seasons. Other than the year he won it, he never finished in the top 10 in MVP voting (coincidentally, this means he finished in the top 10 in 13 years as often as Brock Purdy has in two).
To me, Ryan was a guy in a "bucket" with Carson Palmer, Eli Manning and Tony Romo, not Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.
As for tape, by the midpoint of the 2023 season, Purdy had 16 NFL starts under his belt. I very much doubt Purdy has tendencies/abilities/flaws that hadn't shown up over those 16 starts.
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IMO, pro bowl means little.
All-pro means far more
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https://twitter.com/oeste/status/1758148881529909531?t=zii4fC77kal06CNX0i8H3A&s=19
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https://twitter.com/oeste/status/1758148881529909531?t=zii4fC77kal06CNX0i8H3A&s=19
Kelce's mixture of disbelief and not trying to sell an over exuberant "this is perfect" over confidence is hilarious.
Related, if you watch the replay of the game winning touchdown. Kelce knows that as soon as the safety stays with him instead of sliding out to check Hardman, that the play works and its a TD. So he basically slows up, stops his route, and looks up at the scoreboard to watch the catch made. Its awesome.
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Saw a great line about the Bears:
"Some teams find quarterbacks who take them to the Super Bowl. The Bears find quarterbacks to argue about."
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Saw a great line about the Bears:
"Some teams find quarterbacks who take them to the Super Bowl. The Bears find quarterbacks to argue about."
I don't agree. I'll argue that the Bears don't find quarterbacks at all. ;D
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Pitino weighs in on Giants off season plans
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/19/rick-pitino-give-new-york-giants-daniel-jones-some-protection-hell-be-terrific/
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The Athletic looked at the trade market for Justin Fields and seemed to conclude that it's iffy, with the Bears receiving a day-2 pick at best for him. Then again, only one team needs to be enamored with his skill set and potential.
Here's a passage I found interesting:
For all of his physical gifts and glimpses of potential stardom, Fields’ numbers tell you not to pick up his fifth-year option for the 2025 season.
Among qualified QBs, Fields finished the 2023 season 29th in completion percentage, 23rd in passing yards per game, 22nd in passer rating, 24th in QBR, 26th in adjusted net yards per attempt, 31st in sack percentage and 22nd in sack rate (according to Pro Football Reference). His numbers on third downs, in the fourth quarter and in late-game situations don’t inspire much confidence, either.
If you aren't 100% convinced you're going to pick up Fields' 5th-year option, it's hard to justify giving up anything of note for him, even a day-2 pick, isn't it?
Once again, the Bears are THE story in the months leading up to the draft.
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Aaron Jones is getting up there in years and AJ Dillon stinks. Pack could trade for him.
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The Athletic looked at the trade market for Justin Fields and seemed to conclude that it's iffy, with the Bears receiving a day-2 pick at best for him. Then again, only one team needs to be enamored with his skill set and potential.
Here's a passage I found interesting:
For all of his physical gifts and glimpses of potential stardom, Fields’ numbers tell you not to pick up his fifth-year option for the 2025 season.
Among qualified QBs, Fields finished the 2023 season 29th in completion percentage, 23rd in passing yards per game, 22nd in passer rating, 24th in QBR, 26th in adjusted net yards per attempt, 31st in sack percentage and 22nd in sack rate (according to Pro Football Reference). His numbers on third downs, in the fourth quarter and in late-game situations don’t inspire much confidence, either.
If you aren't 100% convinced you're going to pick up Fields' 5th-year option, it's hard to justify giving up anything of note for him, even a day-2 pick, isn't it?
Once again, the Bears are THE story in the months leading up to the draft.
There seems to be a misconception (that I was guilty of too) that Justin improved the second half of the season as the Bears record improved. Yes, INTs were down but production was not. The Bears defense became significantly better, not the offense. Field's last 8 games of 2023-24 QBR 48.6; season avg was 46.1 (5% better). Then there are the fumbles and injuries.
As everyone points out it only takes one team to fall in love with him, but I concede my hope of two 2rd round picks is "pie in the sky" wishful thinking.
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The idea that the Bears were going to get multiple picks for Fields never made sense. Especially with his 2025 option pending. He just hasn't been good enough to justify that investment.
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The idea that the Bears were going to get multiple picks for Fields never made sense. Especially with his 2025 option pending. He just hasn't been good enough to justify that investment.
So your telling me I'm not qualified to be an NFL GM?
That's fair, but I'm more than qualified to be an armchair QB. :D
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There seems to be a misconception (that I was guilty of too) that Justin improved the second half of the season as the Bears record improved. Yes, INTs were down but production was not. The Bears defense became significantly better, not the offense. Field's last 8 games of 2023-24 QBR 48.6; season avg was 46.1 (5% better). Then there are the fumbles and injuries.
As everyone points out it only takes one team to fall in love with him, but I concede my hope of two 2rd round picks is "pie in the sky" wishful thinking.
It's obvious the Bears improved solely because of Montez Sweat ;D
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He certainly did more to help win games than Fields.
3rd rounder for Fields. I can’t see a team giving up more than that. But…, a team will probably step up and once again show us why they are a losing organization.
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It's obvious the Bears improved solely because of Montez Sweat ;D
I agree with you and Jockey, he moved the needle more than Justin.
Also, Sweat for a high 2nd round pick was much better than what the 49ers got out of Young for a 3rd round pick.
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Salary cap going up $30 million.
Good year to be Kirk Cousins.
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Salary cap going up $30 million.
Good year to be Kirk Cousins.
Does the NFL not know of their pending doom?
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Salary cap going up $30 million.
Good year to be Kirk Cousins.
Solely thanks to Taylor Swift
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Fields is sooooooooo done in Chicago. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-justin-fields-picks-lebron-james-over-michael-jordan-in-nba-goat-debate-caleb-williams-sides-with-mj/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-justin-fields-picks-lebron-james-over-michael-jordan-in-nba-goat-debate-caleb-williams-sides-with-mj/)
I guess all the doubts about his decision making were valid.
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So Peter King announced his retirement yesterday. At one point up until a decade or so ago, his MMQB article was one I eagerly anticipated reading at the beginning of each week. It feels like this is a bit of an end of an era, where regular, long-form columns still seemed to have a place - or at least a more prominent place than they do now.
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So Peter King announced his retirement yesterday. At one point up until a decade or so ago, his MMQB article was one I eagerly anticipated reading at the beginning of each week. It feels like this is a bit of an end of an era, where regular, long-form columns still seemed to have a place - or at least a more prominent place than they do now.
Occasionally still delve into the SI archive and Dr. Z’s stuff is a fun trip down memory lane.
The MMQB was still going. Not as strong as it once was but still better than a lot of the sound bite recaps you’d get. He could be a self-righteous but was willing to admit mistakes.
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So Peter King announced his retirement yesterday. At one point up until a decade or so ago, his MMQB article was one I eagerly anticipated reading at the beginning of each week. It feels like this is a bit of an end of an era, where regular, long-form columns still seemed to have a place - or at least a more prominent place than they do now.
In his final column he says the Bears should keep Fields and trade down twice. They could end up with 9 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next two years. That’s been my position all along.
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In his final column he says the Bears should keep Fields and trade down twice. They could end up with 9 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next two years. That’s been my position all along.
As a Packer fan, I agree. Please keep Fields!!
Fields will win about as many Playoff games as Kirk Cousins has (although he won't be near as good of a QB). He will also be given a huge unearned contract. Hopefully for at least 5 years (again, only saying that cuz I'm a GB fan).
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As a Packer fan, I agree. Please keep Fields!!
Fields will win about as many Playoff games as Kirk Cousins has (although he won't be near as good of a QB). He will also be given a huge unearned contract. Hopefully for at least 5 years (again, only saying that cuz I'm a GB fan).
It doesn’t matter. Bears will always suck. Garbage organization. Embarrassment to the league
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As a Packer fan, I agree. Please keep Fields!!
Fields will win about as many Playoff games as Kirk Cousins has (although he won't be near as good of a QB). He will also be given a huge unearned contract. Hopefully for at least 5 years (again, only saying that cuz I'm a GB fan).
Jockey
You don’t have to give Fields the big guaranteed contract for 2 more years. If he doesn’t get it done next year, use one of your 3 1st rounders in 2025 to take a QB. If you’re still on the fence after next year, franchise him. It’s not like this year is their only chance to get a QB.
Of course, if they think Caleb Williams is head and shoulders above the field and possibly a “generational” talent, you take him. But if not, those extra high draft choices can help build a really solid team around whoever the QB is. I haven’t seen greatness in Williams but I confess a) I haven’t seen him that much and b) I’m no expert.
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You don't have to keep Fields for 2 more years, Lenny, but if you're gonna keep him to start for you in 2024, you have to pick up his 2025 option at $25.6M. Then, if he sucks next season, good luck trading a bad, $25.6 million QB. Or maybe you just dump him and eat the $25.6M.
Anyway, reading between the lines of what Poles said, Fields is unlikely to be a Bear for too much longer. For better or worse.
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Jockey
You don’t have to give Fields the big guaranteed contract for 2 more years. If he doesn’t get it done next year, use one of your 3 1st rounders in 2025 to take a QB. If you’re still on the fence after next year, franchise him. It’s not like this year is their only chance to get a QB.
Of course, if they think Caleb Williams is head and shoulders above the field and possibly a “generational” talent, you take him. But if not, those extra high draft choices can help build a really solid team around whoever the QB is. I haven’t seen greatness in Williams but I confess a) I haven’t seen him that much and b) I’m no expert.
I don’t think we are disagreeing much.
I understand being able to build a team with lots of early draft picks, but a great QB is worth multiple first round picks.
I think SF is a good example - best roster in the NFL, easily. They are missing one piece, though. A QB to put them over the top
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I don’t think we are disagreeing much.
I understand being able to build a team with lots of early draft picks, but a great QB is worth multiple first round picks.
I think SF is a good example - best roster in the NFL, easily. They are missing one piece, though. A QB to put them over the top
Yep
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You don't have to keep Fields for 2 more years, Lenny, but if you're gonna keep him to start for you in 2024, you have to pick up his 2025 option at $25.6M. Then, if he sucks next season, good luck trading a bad, $25.6 million QB. Or maybe you just dump him and eat the $25.6M.
Anyway, reading between the lines of what Poles said, Fields is unlikely to be a Bear for too much longer. For better or worse.
25.6M is a consideration, it’s one of the components of your final decision. But (especially given the new boost to the cap), one year of it wouldn’t hamstring the Bears all that much.
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25.6M is a consideration, it’s one of the components of your final decision. But (especially given the new boost to the cap), one year of it wouldn’t hamstring the Bears all that much.
That's probably true.
And I agree with your premise: If you think Caleb Williams is your 10+ year QB solution, you don't mess around. You trade Fields and you draft Williams. It's a no-brainer. But if you have doubts about Williams - and especially if you love the potential of Maye or Daniels and you only have to trade back to 2 or 3 - you could and should do that. Or just keep Fields and roll the dice.
I don't see many Bears games these days. But what I have seen from when they've been on national TV and in the highlights, Fields is not the long-term answer. But hell ... I had never even heard of Brock Purdy.
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I can completely follow the logic of keeping Fields. I don't understand the arguments to draft a QB and keep Fields. I think Justin's trade value is very high (based upon his production) due to his age and cap friendly contract. If the Bears are not sold on him to the point of taking a new QB, then now is the best time to get the best return on his trade.
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That's probably true.
And I agree with your premise: If you think Caleb Williams is your 10+ year QB solution, you don't mess around. You trade Fields and you draft Williams. It's a no-brainer. But if you have doubts about Williams - and especially if you love the potential of Maye or Daniels and you only have to trade back to 2 or 3 - you could and should do that. Or just keep Fields and roll the dice.
I don't see many Bears games these days. But what I have seen from when they've been on national TV and in the highlights, Fields is not the long-term answer. But hell ... I had never even heard of Brock Purdy.
Brock Purdy isn't the long term answer either.
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Brock Purdy isn't the long term answer either.
You're probably right ... though he's been purdy good.
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The NFLPA report card is out.
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024
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The NFLPA report card is out.
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024
These are just so funny. The Chargers offer daycare for families, but it is off-site and the players have to pay.
Half the Bengals showers and locker room toilets don't work.
The Chiefs locker room stinks. The owners said they would upgrade it - then just never got around to it.
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These are just so funny. The Chargers offer daycare for families, but it is off-site and the players have to pay.
Half the Bengals showers and locker room toilets don't work.
The Chiefs locker room stinks. The owners said they would upgrade it - then just never got around to it.
Or a majority of Patriots players think their weight room is worse than what they could find off-site.
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In a stunner, David Tepper gets a D.
He's willing to pay millions for coaches he cycles through like boxer shorts, but he isn't willing to let the Panthers play on natural grass ... because artificial turf is cheaper.
That's in addition to his meddling and his general dopiness.
I had big hopes for this guy, but it's impossible to call his ownership anything other than an abject failure so far. D actually seems a little high to me.
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These are just so funny. The Chargers offer daycare for families, but it is off-site and the players have to pay.
Half the Bengals showers and locker room toilets don't work.
The Chiefs locker room stinks. The owners said they would upgrade it - then just never got around to it.
The Bengals with the most unsurprising reports yet again. Imagine a professional sports team in 2024 that doesn’t employ a dietician. There are prep schools that have a dietician for their sports teams. And they don’t regularly feed their players.
Mike Brown really is a miserable POS. Lives like a skinflint and expects his organization to do so as well. I think Bengals fans yearn for his passing even more than the Bears do with OL’ Ginny
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The Bengals with the most unsurprising reports yet again. Imagine a professional sports team in 2024 that doesn’t employ a dietician. There are prep schools that have a dietician for their sports teams. And they don’t regularly feed their players.
Mike Brown really is a miserable POS. Lives like a skinflint and expects his organization to do so as well. I think Bengals fans yearn for his passing even more than the Bears do with OL’ Ginny
Why are you bringing the white Sox into the conversation about football? :)
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I can completely follow the logic of keeping Fields. I don't understand the arguments to draft a QB and keep Fields. I think Justin's trade value is very high (based upon his production) due to his age and cap friendly contract. If the Bears are not sold on him to the point of taking a new QB, then now is the best time to get the best return on his trade.
Why would a lower level QB who is not even in the top 50% of starting QBs have a trade value that is 'very high'?
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These are just so funny. The Chargers offer daycare for families, but it is off-site and the players have to pay.
Half the Bengals showers and locker room toilets don't work.
The Chiefs locker room stinks. The owners said they would upgrade it - then just never got around to it.
I was surprised by their level of dislike (there may be a better word for it) for MLF. They ranked in the top 50% in every category except Head Coach.
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Why would a lower level QB who is not even in the top 50% of starting QBs have a trade value that is 'very high'?
What’s the market for Fields? Everyone knows the Bears have to trade him. Unless they get multiple teams bidding, the return will be minimal
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Yeah, I don't why White Trash keeps coming back to this. His production isn't very good, and his contract is cap friendly next year, but isn't going to be moving forward IF he turns out better once he has a change of scenery.
I would guess a third round pick at best.
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I was surprised by their level of dislike (there may be a better word for it) for MLF. They ranked in the top 50% in every category except Head Coach.
And he still got a B+. Apparently its because he doesn't listen to the locker room, which could be bad. Or it could be because of the Jaire stuff. Or maybe the defensive players weren't happy with their coordinator.
Who knows.
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Yeah, I don't why White Trash keeps coming back to this. His production isn't very good, and his contract is cap friendly next year, but isn't going to be moving forward IF he turns out better once he has a change of scenery.
I would guess a third round pick at best.
Bears have no leverage unless they create a market.
Plus, they’re a terrible franchise. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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The NFLPA report card is out.
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024 (https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024)
Oh my Tampa Bay
Younger players must have roommates on work travel, unless they pay the team more than $1,750 for their own room each season. They do have a daycare room on gamedays, but charge players’ families $90 per child, which most other teams offer for free.
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Jockey
You don’t have to give Fields the big guaranteed contract for 2 more years. If he doesn’t get it done next year, use one of your 3 1st rounders in 2025 to take a QB. If you’re still on the fence after next year, franchise him. It’s not like this year is their only chance to get a QB.
Of course, if they think Caleb Williams is head and shoulders above the field and possibly a “generational” talent, you take him. But if not, those extra high draft choices can help build a really solid team around whoever the QB is. I haven’t seen greatness in Williams but I confess a) I haven’t seen him that much and b) I’m no expert.
Correct take. I also think they should trade the pick for as much as they can get and load up the rest of their team.
I am not a Bears fan.
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Correct take. I also think they should trade the pick for as much as they can get and load up the rest of their team.
I am not a Bears fan.
The problem with this is it's really hard to build a consistent contender in the NFL without a top-tier QB. It's impossible to do one with a subpar one.
Surrounding Fields with better players won't make him a top-tier QB.
The recipe you guys are suggesting is going to get you the Mark Sanchez Jets.
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The problem with this is it's really hard to build a consistent contender in the NFL without a top-tier QB. It's impossible to do one with a subpar one.
Surrounding Fields with better players won't make him a top-tier QB.
The recipe you guys are suggesting is going to get you the Mark Sanchez Jets.
https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=jfMBQMmLlzTXqq_ObJAM9w&s=19
No knock on Fields at all. Let’s assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can’t. The elite can.
You can win a championship with a stacked team and a decent QB on a rookie contract. (Russell Wilson, Brock Purdy, etc).
But to be at the top for the long term, you'll need to reset the QB every few years with another rookie and surround them with high priced stars OR have a franchise top 5 QB just because of the money required.
IMO, Chicago would be silly to give Fields anything beyond his rookie contract because he isn't (and likely will never) be a top 5 QB. Chicago could get close in Fields' 4th year if they load up on high rookie picks and top FA for next season.
But then they'll have to draft a new QB next year anyway.
If you like Caleb more than potential 2025 QBs, take Caleb now.
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https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=jfMBQMmLlzTXqq_ObJAM9w&s=19
You can win a championship with a stacked team and a decent QB on a rookie contract. (Russell Wilson, Brock Purdy, etc).
I happen to think Purdy is better than decent, but he hasn't won a championship yet.
And Wilson was a lot better than decent in most of his time in Seattle, and especially when they were contending. I think his weirdness combined with the sharp decline has kind of skewed some memories.
Between 2012 and 2021, he was top 5 in passer rating five times and top 10 four others, and top 5 in QBR three times and top 10 four others. He was easily a top 10 QB, and you could make a case for top 5.
Overall, though, agree with your point.
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The problem with this is it's really hard to build a consistent contender in the NFL without a top-tier QB. It's impossible to do one with a subpar one.
Surrounding Fields with better players won't make him a top-tier QB.
The recipe you guys are suggesting is going to get you the Mark Sanchez Jets.
Sure, I guess. But there isn't much sense in drafting a QB with the top pick if you aren't sure he is going to be THE guy. Lots of starters in the NFL haven't been the top pick or even in the top FIVE picks. Trade back, accumulate draft capital, and hope to hit on a few players. Rolling out the #1 pick and having him get killed in the media because he has no one around him is the most Bears thing to do.
Look to what successful franchises do.
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If they feel it is a significant enough upgrade, successful teams draft the quarterback and work out the rest.
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Sure, I guess. But there isn't much sense in drafting a QB with the top pick if you aren't sure he is going to be THE guy. Lots of starters in the NFL haven't been the top pick or even in the top FIVE picks. Trade back, accumulate draft capital, and hope to hit on a few players. Rolling out the #1 pick and having him get killed in the media because he has no one around him is the most Bears thing to do.
Look to what successful franchises do.
What do successful franchises do?
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What do successful franchises do?
The opposite of what the Bears are doing is a good jumping off point.
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Zach Wilson is available.
That ballyhooed 2021 QB class is officially a bust. Even the Day 2 picks (Trask, Mond, Mills) are disappointing.
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The opposite of what the Bears are doing is a good jumping off point.
That's not really an answer.
IMO, "successful" franchises do things many different ways.
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That's not really an answer.
IMO, "successful" franchises do things many different ways.
“Bears bad” is the extent of a lot of analysis here sometimes
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“Bears bad” is the extent of a lot of analysis here sometimes
Well, they’re amongst the worst run sports franchises across any sport, much less the NFL
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Well, they’re amongst the worst run sports franchises across any sport, much less the NFL
We know!
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That's not really an answer.
IMO, "successful" franchises do things many different ways.
Of course, I was just being glib.
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Yeah, I don't why White Trash keeps coming back to this. His production isn't very good, and his contract is cap friendly next year, but isn't going to be moving forward IF he turns out better once he has a change of scenery.
I would guess a third round pick at best.
I think a 3rd is very high - "based upon his production" (quoted my own post)
If they keep him his value will fall as he gets older, out from rookie contract and a back up QB.
Media people are talking about a 2nd or 3rd round pick for JF. I think this his high point of value.
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From The Athletic:
INDIANAPOLIS — It certainly seems Justin Fields’ days in Chicago are waning, with the Bears set to draft a quarterback and move on from their three-year starter.
And when they do part ways, Fields will help the Bears one last time on his way out. The Athletic polled eight team executives and coaches this week to gauge Fields’ trade value, and they all believed the Bears would net a quality asset before ultimately selecting USC’s Caleb Williams with the No. 1 pick in April.
The majority opinion is the Bears would corral a second- or third-round pick, but there was some variation in those responses. One executive said he’d be worth a second-rounder or its equivalent value in a package of a third- and fifth-round pick.
Two other executives thought the return would be a second- or third-rounder, depending where the selection is in the round. Another believed it could be a 2025 third-round pick that could become a second-rounder based on certain statistical benchmarks.
The lowest value came from a coach who would only give up a third-round pick. There was also an executive who predicted he’d net a second-rounder but admitted that would be too much for his own team to surrender.
“There’s a reason they’re moving on,” an executive pointed out.
Fields’ critics in this exercise said he still needs to improve his field vision to anticipate his throws, and the 2021 first-rounder’s inconsistent accuracy remains a concern. Fields finished with a career-high 61.4 completion percentage last season, and he’s got 6,674 passing yards, 40 touchdowns and 30 interceptions in his career.
There was one outlier from a coach who thought the Bears could get a first-round pick.
“Supply and demand,” the coach said.
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Interesting that it was a coach who said a 1st rounder.
Just one more piece of evidence that scouts should scout and coaches should coach.
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Interesting that it was a coach who said a 1st rounder.
Just one more piece of evidence that scouts should scout and coaches should coach.
Right? Patriot's HC thought Brady was only worth a 6th round value. ;D
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The problem with this is it's really hard to build a consistent contender in the NFL without a top-tier QB. It's impossible to do one with a subpar one.
Surrounding Fields with better players won't make him a top-tier QB.
The recipe you guys are suggesting is going to get you the Mark Sanchez Jets.
One more time, trading down (preferably at least twice) to gain a boatload of assets doesn’t mean you’re making anything more than a one year commitment to Fields (if that). All it means it you doubt Caleb Williams as a sure thing top tier QB. Maybe it means you have QBs rated just as high that you can get later in this draft. Maybe it means that with 3 #1s next year you wait until then and give Fields one last chance - all the while building a better team.
Again, if they’re sold that Caleb is the guy, so be it. Either way, a good problem to have.
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Valdes-Scantling released by KC. Cap move considering his usual occasional production.
Now considered a likely Jets target of course and bet it happens.
Just so grateful every day we are rid of #12 forever. Packers can actually operate as an intelligent, prudent football operation again.
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Valdes-Scantling released by KC. Cap move considering his usual occasional production.
Now considered a likely Jets target of course and bet it happens.
Just so grateful every day we are rid of #12 forever. Packers can actually operate as an intelligent, prudent football operation again.
Poor Jets fans
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Poor Jets fans
Agree. They had to have this.
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Agree. They had to have this.
Next season is going to be a mess for them. Coach is a lame duck who will let the QB run things. They’ll tie up the cap in players like MVS and Bakh, though MVS on a smart deal is fine.
I suspect they start hot but fade late
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Caleb Williams Draft and Combine Profile. For what it is worth, his pre-draft evaluation is higher than Mr. Fields
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/caleb-williams/32005749-4c17-6897-a516-9754023602e6
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/02/patrick-mahomes-nfl-world-react-xavier-worthy-40-yard-dash-record
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If they feel it is a significant enough upgrade successful teams draft the quarterback and work out the rest.
Yeah, the Pats drafted the QB - in the 6th round. And the 49ers with the final pick in the draft to avoid the bidding war (lol) that would have ensued for Purdy as a free agent. The Chiefs did take Mahomes in round 1, but only when he fell to them as the #3 QB in the draft. Pack did OK catching the free falling Aaron Rogers late in round 1, too.
Teams who fell in love with a guy and moved up to get him haven’t been right very often. So…
Caleb Williams + maybe a 2nd rounder + a rookie QB contract vs say Justin Fields + Marvin Harrison + a 2nd rounder this year, a 1st and 2nd next year, a 1st in 26 and a player (like DJ Moore) + a potentially difficult decision on Field’s contract down the road.
Or trading down for extra assets, still trading Fields and drafting a different QB.
If Williams is your clear choice, again, fine. But if there’s doubt, plan B, C or some variation would be (imo) a much better one than plan A.
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Well yeah. That's what I mean by a significant enough upgrade. And I don't know if Williams is all that or not - that's up for the Bears to decide. But I do know that Fields is pretty mediocre. And yes, if they can find someone in later rounds that turns out to be decent, that's even better. But there is usually a reason why late round draft picks are drafted late.
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Yeah, the Pats drafted the QB - in the 6th round. And the 49ers with the final pick in the draft to avoid the bidding war (lol) that would have ensued for Purdy as a free agent. The Chiefs did take Mahomes in round 1, but only when he fell to them as the #3 QB in the draft. Pack did OK catching the free falling Aaron Rogers late in round 1, too.
Teams who fell in love with a guy and moved up to get him haven’t been right very often. So…
Caleb Williams + maybe a 2nd rounder + a rookie QB contract vs say Justin Fields + Marvin Harrison + a 2nd rounder this year, a 1st and 2nd next year, a 1st in 26 and a player (like DJ Moore) + a potentially difficult decision on Field’s contract down the road.
Or trading down for extra assets, still trading Fields and drafting a different QB.
If Williams is your clear choice, again, fine. But if there’s doubt, plan B, C or some variation would be (imo) a much better one than plan A.
It is funny, or maybe ironic, that in the past few months I've see the 49ers as a model and argument for trading out of #1 and building a great team around a serviceable QB, while right after the Super Bowl pointing to the 49ers as an example of why a great QB is more important than a great overall team.
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It is funny, or maybe ironic, that in the past few months I've see the 49ers as a model and argument for trading out of #1 and building a great team around a serviceable QB, while right after the Super Bowl pointing to the 49ers as an example of why a great QB is more important than a great overall team.
No one said “a great QB is more important than a great overall team.” People were saying that Purdy wasn’t very good.
If they had QBs better than Jimmy G and Brock Purdy, they likely win both of those Super Bowls.
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It is funny, or maybe ironic, that in the past few months I've see the 49ers as a model and argument for trading out of #1 and building a great team around a serviceable QB, while right after the Super Bowl pointing to the 49ers as an example of why a great QB is more important than a great overall team.
It's good time for a reminder that the 49ers traded three first-round picks and a third-round pick to move up for a quarterback.
Seems like even they believe the "build a great team around a mediocre QB" model doesn't work.
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No one said “a great QB is more important than a great overall team.” People were saying that Purdy wasn’t very good.
If they had QBs better than Jimmy G and Brock Purdy, they likely win both of those Super Bowls.
I wasn't referring to people here making that argument. It has been advanced plenty often on Bears' boards.
I pointed this out as how ironic it is that the exact same team is people's argument for and against trading the pick. I wasn't picking a side.
Personally, I am a hard lean to moving off Fields.
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It's good time for a reminder that the 49ers traded three first-round picks and a third-round pick to move up for a quarterback.
Seems like even they believe the "build a great team around a mediocre QB" model doesn't work.
Chasing unicorns is almost always bad policy.
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Chasing unicorns is almost always bad policy.
Sorry, are you saying that the unicorn chasing is the 49ers trading all those picks hunting a QB unicorn, or teams trying to follow the model of surrounding a mediocre QB with such overwhelming talent they can't help but win a Super Bowl? To me, modeling your team on the Super Bowl blueprint of the Dilfer Ravens, Brad Johnson Bucs, or even Flacco Ravens is the real unicorn. You're better off taking swings at getting a T-8 or so QB than investing in trying to make it work with middle of the road guys.
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Sorry, are you saying that the unicorn chasing is the 49ers trading all those picks hunting a QB unicorn, or teams trying to follow the model of surrounding a mediocre QB with such overwhelming talent they can't help but win a Super Bowl? To me, modeling your team on the Super Bowl blueprint of the Dilfer Ravens, Brad Johnson Bucs, or even Flacco Ravens is the real unicorn. You're better off taking swings at getting a T-8 or so QB than investing in trying to make it work with middle of the road guys.
The 49ers model. Or the Jets. Or the Bears with Trubisky where they didn’t even entertain thought of a Mahomes. I would venture that the vast majority of early QB Ppicks never become great players.
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Chasing unicorns is almost always bad policy.
No, it's not.
Look back at the last, say, 30 years of NFL history. Find me a team that consistently earned playoff bids and contended for championships without a top 10 quarterback.
As Burrow notes, the unicorns are the one-hit wonders that win without an elite QB.
And look at what happened to those teams shortly thereafter.
2000 Ravens ... missed playoffs four of the next seven seasons, won one playoff game in that stretch.
2002 Bucs ... missed playoffs 15 of the next 17 seasons, winning zero playoff games until Tom Brady arrived.
2012 Ravens .... missed playoffs four of the next five seasons.
Having a great QB is no guarantee of winning Super Bowls, but it makes it much more likely and gives you way more margin for error everywhere else on the roster.
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The 49ers model. Or the Jets. Or the Bears with Trubisky where they didn’t even entertain thought of a Mahomes. I would venture that the vast majority of early QB Ppicks never become great players.
Unless you're drafting an O-lineman, the majority of early picks at any position never become great players.
In fact, the success rate for receivers and most defensive players drafted early is worse than it is for QBs.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/assessing-first-round-hit-rate-at-every-nfl-position/
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The 49ers model. Or the Jets. Or the Bears with Trubisky where they didn’t even entertain thought of a Mahomes. I would venture that the vast majority of early QB Ppicks never become great players.
I totally get where you are coming from. I think you are spot on. Player and specifically QB evaluation are difficult and leads to low hit rates. But I'm not sure GM's egos or fan reactions would allow a team to pass on QBs because they are "hard to evaluate".
I understand the thought that QBs are over valued in the draft, but are they really? It is the most important position on the team, so I think it is logical draft them high.
Also, while I agree most early QB picks never become great players, I believe 1st rounders hit at a higher rate. (Edit: see Pakuni post above)
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RIP Chris Mortensen
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39647922/award-winning-nfl-reporter-chris-mortensen-dies-age-72
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Having a great QB is no guarantee of winning Super Bowls, but it makes it much more likely and gives you way more margin for error everywhere else on the roster.
Who doesn’t want a great QB? Everybody wants a great QB. But finding one is the hard part. The 1st QB taken in the last 14 drafts has won zero Super Bowls. The 1st QBs taken in the last 25 have won 3 - Stafford 1, Eli Manning 2. And even though they were picked #1, were Eli or Stafford ever top 5 NFL QBs.
Bottom line, there is so much volatility involved in finding a QB and picking the 1st off the board hasn’t exactly been the the key to Super Bowl titles the last quarter century.
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Who doesn’t want a great QB? Everybody wants a great QB. But finding one is the hard part. The 1st QB taken in the last 14 drafts has won zero Super Bowls. The 1st QBs taken in the last 25 have won 3 - Stafford 1, Eli Manning 2. And even though they were picked #1, were Eli or Stafford ever top 5 NFL QBs.
Bottom line, there is so much volatility involved in finding a QB and picking the 1st off the board hasn’t exactly been the the key to Super Bowl titles the last quarter century.
That’s mostly because there are a lot of bad organizations drafting those QBs. Bad organizations aren’t winning with Justin Fields either.
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That’s mostly because there are a lot of bad organizations drafting those QBs. Bad organizations aren’t winning with Justin Fields either.
I wouldn’t say mostly, but that is part of it. But an awful lot of good organizations passed an awful lot of times on Tom Brady, let Aaron Rodgers fall, etc., etc., etc. It’s just a hell of a lot easier to project an OT than it is a QB.
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Who doesn’t want a great QB? Everybody wants a great QB. But finding one is the hard part. The 1st QB taken in the last 14 drafts has won zero Super Bowls. The 1st QBs taken in the last 25 have won 3 - Stafford 1, Eli Manning 2. And even though they were picked #1, were Eli or Stafford ever top 5 NFL QBs.
Bottom line, there is so much volatility involved in finding a QB and picking the 1st off the board hasn’t exactly been the the key to Super Bowl titles the last quarter century.
Your facts are spot on. I'm not sure what the point is. It has been established the hit rate for QB in the first round is better than any other round. The hit rate for top 5 is better than any other 10 pick window.
Is picking a QB 3-5 better? Should teams not pick QBs in the first round? Or is this just a cautionary tale for the Bears, Commanders and Pats to not expect a SB even if taking a QB is the correct pick?
I for one, don't expect a QB taken by the Bears to guaranty a SB. Hell, AR was the best QB in the game for 10-12 years and won only 1 SB, but I think he was the right pick for GB and gave them the best chance to win a SB every year.
I've seen enough of Fields (about 40 games) to decide he is not the guy due to many reasons including injuries, which will become a bigger issue for him as he gets older.
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Mike Evans back to Tampa.
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Bucs going to re-sign Mike Evans.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39651873/bucs-mike-evans-agree-2-year-52m-contract-agent-says
I would guess this means Evans was comfortable Bucs will also re-sign Baker Mayfield
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Good for Evans, good for the Bucs, good for the Tampa Bay community.
Dude had a really nice bounce-back year. I can't believe he's only 30, feel like he's been around forever.
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Good for Evans, good for the Bucs, good for the Tampa Bay community.
Dude had a really nice bounce-back year. I can't believe he's only 30, feel like he's been around forever.
Thought for sure he’d go to Jacksonville
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Good for Evans, good for the Bucs, good for the Tampa Bay community.
Dude had a really nice bounce-back year. I can't believe he's only 30, feel like he's been around forever.
I think he found out that there wasn't a better market out there for a 30 year old. But he got a nice payday. He's never in the conversation for top NFL receivers, but he just goes out and is quietly great every single year.
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Broncos cutting Russell Wilson. Here’s hoping your favorite team doesn’t sign him
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Broncos cutting Russell Wilson. Here’s hoping your favorite team doesn’t sign him
True, but he was pretty solid last year. Similar to Mayfield and much better than Fields. For that salary though, the Broncos were expecting much more. He could be a great gap solution.
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He stinks.
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True, but he was pretty solid last year. Similar to Mayfield and much better than Fields. For that salary though, the Broncos were expecting much more. He could be a great gap solution.
He’s Aaron Rodgers lite, franchise killer
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True, but he was pretty solid last year. Similar to Mayfield and much better than Fields. For that salary though, the Broncos were expecting much more. He could be a great gap solution.
Mayfield can throw the ball downfield. Wilson can’t. His numbers were deceiving, lots of dinks. All you need to know is Payton benched him for a nobody and then cut him. Nobody would take him over Fields right now.
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Wouldn't have Russell Wilson on my team.
Which, now that I say that, probably means Russell Wilson ends up on my team. :o
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Mayfield can throw the ball downfield. Wilson can’t. His numbers were deceiving, lots of dinks. All you need to know is Payton benched him for a nobody and then cut him. Nobody would take him over Fields right now.
Their air yards per attempt was pretty much identical last year (7.3 to 7.2).
Mayfield attempted 75 passes of 20+ yards out of 566 total attempts (13 percent) and completed 23 of them (30.1 percent).
Russ attempted 65 passes of 20+ yards out of 447 total attempts (14.5 percent) and completed 21 of them (32.3 percent).
Really not much of a difference.
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Their air yards per attempt was pretty much identical last year (7.3 to 7.2).
Mayfield attempted 75 passes of 20+ yards out of 566 total attempts (13 percent) and completed 23 of them (30.1 percent).
Russ attempted 65 passes of 20+ yards out of 447 total attempts (14.5 percent) and completed 21 of them (32.3 percent).
Really not much of a difference.
I’ll admit I didn’t see a lot of either of them. But I watched Mayfield in the playoffs and he showed me both arm strength and accuracy - something very much lacking in Wilson’s game the 3 or so times I saw him play.
It’ll be interesting to see what each guy gets as a free agent.
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I think the biggest difference is Mayfield is still just 28 years old and coming off of a resurgent rebound season after a season and change of injuries and organizational chaos.
Meanwhile, Wilson is 35 and on a steady decline for a few seasons. I would think the markets for them will be quite different.
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I think the biggest difference is Mayfield is still just 28 years old and coming off of a resurgent rebound season after a season and change of injuries and organizational chaos.
Meanwhile, Wilson is 35 and on a steady decline for a few seasons. I would think the markets for them will be quite different.
Getting to pay Russ the vets min because of the offset clause in his Broncos contract might cloud the judgement of more than a few execs.
It shouldn't, though - he looks washed and I wouldn't want his crew around a young team and QB
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I think the biggest difference is Mayfield is still just 28 years old and coming off of a resurgent rebound season after a season and change of injuries and organizational chaos.
Meanwhile, Wilson is 35 and on a steady decline for a few seasons. I would think the markets for them will be quite different.
Don't disagree, though I suspect Baler's market is Tampa.
I do think that Russ' terrible play from 2022 is burned into memories to the extent his much better play last year is getting overlooked.
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I think the biggest difference is Mayfield is still just 28 years old and coming off of a resurgent rebound season after a season and change of injuries and organizational chaos.
Meanwhile, Wilson is 35 and on a steady decline for a few seasons. I would think the markets for them will be quite different.
I agree that age is a big factor in what each would receive. Plus Wilson is going to make $40M next year even if he doesn't get picked up. He will most likely be happy with a team friendly deal, possibly even vet minimum.
My whole point was not to argue Wilson is a better addition to a team than Mayfield, but that he not completely washed up. He had a good (not very good) year. The perception was he crapped the bed again like 2022, but not the case.
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I would be very wary of bringing in Wilson thinking he would be a solid veteran back up. Former quarterbacks with his type of resume generally don't serve well in that role.
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I would be very wary of bringing in Wilson thinking he would be a solid veteran back up. Former quarterbacks with his type of resume generally don't serve well in that role.
And I don't think Russ is going to sign anywhere as a backup. If he can't find a starting gig before camp, he'll sit out until a team loses its starter to injury and sign there (a la Joe Flacco or Miami Dolphin Jay Cutler).
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And I don't think Russ is going to sign anywhere as a backup. If he can't find a starting gig before camp, he'll sit out until a team loses its starter to injury and sign there (a la Joe Flacco or Miami Dolphin Jay Cutler).
Rumor is he’s headed to Pittsburgh. If true, he won’t be a backup. Trubisky, Pickett and Rudolph are really bad.
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A week ago, rumors had Fields going to Pittsburgh.
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A week ago, rumors had Fields going to Pittsburg.
Jaguars should sign him and get some sucker to trade for Lawrence
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A week ago, rumors had Fields going to Pittsburg.
Tannehill to Pittsburgh for an Arthur Smith reunion seems so obvious
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I think Tannehill is on the veteran backup path in his career.
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https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/sports/bears-have-a-problem-with-justin-fields-trade-market/amp/
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https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/sports/bears-have-a-problem-with-justin-fields-trade-market/amp/
NFL GMs and scouts are not as smart as some Bears fans.
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https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/sports/bears-have-a-problem-with-justin-fields-trade-market/amp/
Jaguars should jump in on him and upgrade their qb room
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I think Tannehill is on the veteran backup path in his career.
Yea, agree there. He had the really nice comeback in 2019 and then 2-3 nice years in Tennessee. But he's been on the downslope and he'll be 36 by Opening Weekend. The odds of him suddenly bouncing back AGAIN to be a productive starter are basically nil. He's a smart dude and solid locker room guy, so he makes sense to be a backup for a couple more years if he wants to, but that's about it.
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https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/sports/bears-have-a-problem-with-justin-fields-trade-market/amp/
There is no problem with the trade market. Crappy QBs don’t have a lot of value. I’ll still be surprised if he fetches more than a 3rd.
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There is no problem with the trade market. Crappy QBs don’t have a lot of value. I’ll still be surprised if he fetches more than a 3rd.
It is eye opening to see the perceived value of Fields from evaluating him on a few, fresh in our memories, plays per game a few months ago to evaluating him on the entire body of work now.
I was guilty as anyone thinking two 2nds would be the return a few months ago.
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It is eye opening to see the perceived value of Fields from evaluating him on a few, fresh in our memories, plays per game a few months ago to evaluating him on the entire body of work now.
I was guilty as anyone thinking two 2nds would be the return a few months ago.
I think one of the issues is that there are a lot of new coaches on teams that need QBs. Do they want to put their head coaching future in the hands of Justin Fields?
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No one talking about Eberflus and LaFleur sitting next to each other at the MU game?!? Come on, conspiracy theorists! Raise your game!
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No one talking about Eberflus and LaFleur sitting next to each other at the MU game?!? Come on, conspiracy theorists! Raise your game!
LaFleur can hire Everflus as an assistant next year
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No one talking about Eberflus and LaFleur sitting next to each other at the MU game?!? Come on, conspiracy theorists! Raise your game!
Eberflus is not doing himself any favors with the fanbase (possibly ownership too). The "conspiracy" that may hold water is that he is positioning himself for a spot on the GB staff.
Just the latest in string of questionable decision by a guy who wants to be in charge. I'll go out on the shortest limb ever and say this is Eberflus last year as a head coach.
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Per X, his daughter is considering MU. MU provided some courtside tickets.
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Eberflus is not doing himself any favors with the fanbase (possibly ownership too). The "conspiracy" that may hold water is that he is positioning himself for a spot on the GB staff.
Just the latest in string of questionable decision by a guy who wants to be in charge. I'll go out on the shortest limb ever and say this is Eberflus last year as a head coach.
Just wait until they're seen standing together in the coaches' photo at the winter meetings.
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Jaylon Johnson getting paid.
https://www.nfl.com/news/jaylon-johnson-bears-four-year-76-million-contract
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Jaylon Johnson getting paid.
https://www.nfl.com/news/jaylon-johnson-bears-four-year-76-million-contract
That’s a really good contract for Chicago, I’m guessing Johnson went under market value for a shorter length deal.
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That’s a really good contract for Chicago, I’m guessing Johnson went under market value for a shorter length deal.
Spotrac
@spotrac
Jaylon Johnson's 4 year, $76M extension with the #Bears makes him the 7th highest average paid CB in football. His reported $54M guaranteed ranks 4th, while his $43.8M guaranteed at sign comes in 2nd. A reported $60M in 3-year cash ranks 2nd only to Jaire Alexander.
Why did Jaylon Johnson accept a multi-year contract at less per year than the franchise tag?
The guarantee structure on this contract makes it 3 years, $60M, with a chance to do it all over again before age 28. More star NFL players need to go this route.
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Spotrac
@spotrac
Jaylon Johnson's 4 year, $76M extension with the #Bears makes him the 7th highest average paid CB in football. His reported $54M guaranteed ranks 4th, while his $43.8M guaranteed at sign comes in 2nd. A reported $60M in 3-year cash ranks 2nd only to Jaire Alexander.
Why did Jaylon Johnson accept a multi-year contract at less per year than the franchise tag?
The guarantee structure on this contract makes it 3 years, $60M, with a chance to do it all over again before age 28. More star NFL players need to go this route.
There are also a TON of DBs available in free agency this year. Market may not have been as friendly.
Plus now he gets that reset. Savvy move by him and his agent.
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He stinks. LOL Bears
Garbage franchise
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He stinks. LOL Bears
Garbage franchise
Couldn't cover anyone week 18
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OJ Simpson had a better run with the Broncos than Russell Wilson.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGz7uvXgAAWiMk?format=jpg&name=small)
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OJ Simpson had a better run with the Broncos than Russell Wilson.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGz7uvXgAAWiMk?format=jpg&name=small)
Someone get this guy a job as the President of Harvard.
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OJ in a white Bronco always brightens day. Thank you.
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Thoughts and prayers to the Chiefs fans facing amputation.
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Thoughts and prayers to the Chiefs fans facing amputation.
Prayer for some common sense?
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Broncos trade Jerry Jeudy to the Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick
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Prayer for some common sense?
Packer and Bear fans would have done the same stuff in similar circumstances. How often have you seen the shirtless guy in sub zero conditions?
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Packer and Bear fans would have done the same stuff in similar circumstances. How often have you seen the shirtless guy in sub zero conditions?
How much do they amputate from a shirtless guy?
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Just his oblique.
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Packer and Bear fans would have done the same stuff in similar circumstances. How often have you seen the shirtless guy in sub zero conditions?
I know. Alcohol does wonders :D
I do think people in Chicago and Green Bay are better prepared due to experience.
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I know. Alcohol does wonders :D
I do think people in Chicago and Green Bay are better prepared due to experience.
Yeah, Kansas City is in a tropical state
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Yeah, Kansas City is in a tropical state
Is this a serious response? I don't even know what this means.
KC Avg Temp Jan. - 31
GB Avg Temp Jan. - 19
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Is this a serious response? I don't even know what this means.
KC Avg Temp Jan. - 31
GB Avg Temp Jan. - 19
31 is balmy
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Jacksonville shores up their QB situation by trading a 6th round pick for Mac Jones. Good idea to bring in competition for Trevor Lawrence
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Jones has been to more Pro Bowls than Fields.
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Jones has been to more Pro Bowls than Fields.
Given how bad Lawrence was to close the season, I can see why London took a shot bringing Jones in
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Sounds like Bears are waiting for Cousins and Mayfield situations to play out
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/10/bears-preaching-patience-when-it-comes-to-potential-justin-fields-trade-free-agency/
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The only reason they are waiting is cuz they got no offers.
It’s not a strategy.
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Given how bad Lawrence was to close the season, I can see why London took a shot bringing Jones in
Mac Jones is awful.
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Mac Jones is awful.
He’ll fit in well with the Jaguars
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Mac Jones is awful.
Maybe. Hard to tell given the sh*tshow he had to work with the past two years.
He was a bit above average as a rookie
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Excellent pick up for Jags . Get solid back up Quarterback . Trevor Lawrence style of play makes him susceptible to injury. Also Jones going to his hometown.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/10/sports/patriots-trade-mac-jones-to-jaguars-to-end-three-year-run/amp/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mac-jones-trade-grades-patriots-unloading-former-first-rounder-for-late-pick-jaguars-landing-qb-for-cheap/amp/
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Excellent pick up for Jags . Get solid back up Quarterback . Trevor Lawrence style of play makes him susceptible to injury. Also Jones going to his hometown.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/10/sports/patriots-trade-mac-jones-to-jaguars-to-end-three-year-run/amp/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mac-jones-trade-grades-patriots-unloading-former-first-rounder-for-late-pick-jaguars-landing-qb-for-cheap/amp/
Jones is from London?
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Maybe. Hard to tell given the sh*tshow he had to work with the past two years.
He was a bit above average as a rookie
It’s funny that Bears fans talk about how bad the coaches were for Fields. Now people are blaming the ‘greatest coach ever’ for Jones’ failures.
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It’s funny that Bears fans talk about how bad the coaches were for Fields. Now people are blaming the ‘greatest coach ever’ for Jones’ failures.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
In his rookie season, Jones ranked 13th in passing yards, 8th in completion percentage, 12th in pass success rate, 14th in yards per attempt, 14th in TDs, 15th in passer rating and 16th in QBR. By virtually ever measure, he was a slightly above average NFL quarterback. And he was light years ahead of the rest of the rookie class (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance and Fields).
Then he was given a defensive coordinator for his offensive coordinator and special teams coach as his QB coach. They let go of his #1 receiver and replaced him with a guy who is literally the worst in the league at creating separation.
The results were entirely predictable.
Mac Jones may not be a good QB. But he hasn't had a chance to show it the last two seasons.
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It’s funny that Bears fans talk about how bad the coaches were for Fields. Now people are blaming the ‘greatest coach ever’ for Jones’ failures.
Belichek was the greatest defensive coach ever. Offense? Not that involved. He doesn’t get much credit for Brady or much blame for Jones - nor should he.
Eberflus is also a defensive coach. Fields has had multiple OCs and quarterback coaches in his 3 year career - that can’t help. If all he’s worth on the open market is a 3rd rounder (or less) I wouldn’t trade him even if the Bears are committed to taking Caleb. Start Fields until Caleb is ready - maybe an entire year. Worse case you have 2 decent QBs next year if/when 1 goes down.
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Belichek was the greatest defensive coach ever. Offense? Not that involved. He doesn’t get much credit for Brady or much blame for Jones - nor should he.
Eberflus is also a defensive coach. Fields has had multiple OCs and quarterback coaches in his 3 year career - that can’t help. If all he’s worth on the open market is a 3rd rounder (or less) I wouldn’t trade him even if the Bears are committed to taking Caleb. Start Fields until Caleb is ready - maybe an entire year. Worse case you have 2 decent QBs next year if/when 1 goes down.
Zero and I mean zero chance the Bears have Justin Fields and Caleb Williams on the roster together
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Baker back to Tampa.
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Eberflus is also a defensive coach. Fields has had multiple OCs and quarterback coaches in his 3 year career - that can’t help. If all he’s worth on the open market is a 3rd rounder (or less) I wouldn’t trade him even if the Bears are committed to taking Caleb. Start Fields until Caleb is ready - maybe an entire year. Worse case you have 2 decent QBs next year if/when 1 goes down.
This plan guarantees an unnecessary quarterback controversy, potentially splits the locker room and ensures you get nothing for Fields when he walks in 2025.
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This plan guarantees an unnecessary quarterback controversy, potentially splits the locker room and ensures you get nothing for Fields when he walks in 2025.
Mahomes didn’t start as a rookie. Neither did Brady, Rodgers or Favre. Lots of other great ones too, I’d bet. And (imo) sometimes QBs who start from day 1 and aren’t ready never reach their potential. The Bears might be pretty good next year. What if Caleb’s not ready or he gets hurt? Wouldn’t Fields be worth more as an insurance policy than a late pick who may not even make the team?
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Mac Jones getting a 6th rounder doesn't bode well for the Bears. RB market is depressed right now.
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Mahomes didn’t start as a rookie. Neither did Brady, Rodgers or Favre. Lots of other great ones too, I’d bet. And (imo) sometimes QBs who start from day 1 and aren’t ready never reach their potential. The Bears might be pretty good next year. What if Caleb’s not ready or he gets hurt? Wouldn’t Fields be worth more as an insurance policy than a late pick who may not even make the team?
Then you sign Jimmy Garoppolo or someone like that to start. Zero chance Fields is on the roster with Williams
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Mahomes didn’t start as a rookie. Neither did Brady, Rodgers or Favre. Lots of other great ones too, I’d bet. And (imo) sometimes QBs who start from day 1 and aren’t ready never reach their potential. The Bears might be pretty good next year. What if Caleb’s not ready or he gets hurt? Wouldn’t Fields be worth more as an insurance policy than a late pick who may not even make the team?
Mahomes was behind Alex Smith, who had gone to the Pro Bowl the previous season and led the Chiefs to a 12-4 record and division championship.
Rodgers was behind Favre.
Brady a 6th round pick backing up Drew Bledsoe.
Favre was a second round pick backing up Chris Miller (who went to the Pro Bowl that year).
All those guys were later picks backing up successful, veteran QBs. You want to sit the #1 overall pick to keep one of the league's worst QBs on the field.
Keeping Fields around as an insurance policy is not better than a third-round pick. What are you insuring ... another 7-win season?
If you need a backup/insurance policy, there are plenty of options: Brissett, Darnold, Minshew, Tannehill, Mariotta, etc.
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Then you sign Jimmy Garoppolo or someone like that to start. Zero chance Fields is on the roster with Williams
Correct, zero chance. Both QBs will be pissed and the Bears would be rightfully burried by everyone (except by Packer fans).
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This plan guarantees an unnecessary quarterback controversy, potentially splits the locker room and ensures you get nothing for Fields when he walks in 2025.
Yeah, it's a terrible idea. Which doesn't mean the Bears won't go this route however.
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Mahomes was behind Alex Smith, who had gone to the Pro Bowl the previous season and led the Chiefs to a 12-4 record and division championship.
Rodgers was behind Favre.
Brady a 6th round pick backing up Drew Bledsoe.
Favre was a second round pick backing up Chris Miller (who went to the Pro Bowl that year).
All those guys were later picks backing up successful, veteran QBs. You want to sit the #1 overall pick to keep one of the league's worst QBs on the field.
Keeping Fields around as an insurance policy is not better than a third-round pick. What are you insuring ... another 7-win season?
If you need a backup/insurance policy, there are plenty of options: Brissett, Darnold, Minshew, Tannehill, Mariotta, etc.
Minshew is my favorite backup/Insurance policy. The price is right and he can perform at a reasonable level if called on, has demonstrated leadership abilities with his teammates where-ever he has played.
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You want to sit the #1 overall pick to keep one of the league's worst QBs on the field.
According to NFL.com’s QB rating index Field’s was the 13th best performer in the league on the field last year. Not my rating, perhaps they’re way off.
But you just spent an entire paragraph defending Mac Jones and his ability as an NFL QB. He’s a middle of the pack guy sabotaged by his coaches and his situation. And yet he only drew the slightest interest from 1 team and netted merely a 6th round draft choice in trade. He won’t cause any controversy where he’s going, he won’t be dividing the locker room. Despite your high opinion of him, he’s going to Jacksonville as a back up.
If that’s the case, why would one of the worst QBs in the league bring more than a 6th rounder in a trade? Or cause a controversy in the locker room?
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Zero and I mean zero chance the Bears have Justin Fields and Caleb Williams on the roster together
I don’t disagree. The Bears will basically give Fields away to avoid it. I’m just not sure that’s wise.
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According to NFL.com’s QB rating index Field’s was the 13th best performer in the league on the field last year. Not my rating, perhaps they’re way off.
20th, actually.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season
Also, 22nd in passer rating; 23rd in QBR; 25th in EPA/dropback; 22nd overall/25th passing in PFF.
So, a bottom third QB any way you look at it.
The Bears should pass on a potential franchise-altering quarterback to keep a guy who - according to the most generous ranking - slots between Geno Smith and Russell Wilson.
But you just spent an entire paragraph defending Mac Jones and his ability as an NFL QB.
I mean, I literally wrote "Mac Jones might be bad."
Quite the high praise.
The lockerroom controversy I was speaking of could occur if the Bears keep Fields.
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Russ to the Steelers seems like a #donedeal
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Russ to the Steelers seems like a #donedeal
Denver news reporting it is #donedeal.
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I don’t disagree. The Bears will basically give Fields away to avoid it. I’m just not sure that’s wise.
Justin Fields isn’t great. He may get better with a new coaching staff or change of scenery, but has shown little ability to be consistent at the quarterback position in the NFL. He simply isn’t worth a lot.
And if you make a decision to start over with a a new guy, you don’t keep the old “QB of the future” around.
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https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1767129230435848205?s=20
Bears to Arlington dead?
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20th, actually.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season
I mean, I literally wrote "Mac Jones might be bad."
Quite the high praise.
So 20th out of 66 QBs who started in NFL games makes Fields one of the worst.QBs in the league.
And 50th (Mac Jones rating) merits a “might be bad” toss away line after a paragraph praising his early work and making excuses for his work lately.
Interesting.
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https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1767129230435848205?s=20
Bears to Arlington dead?
It is just amazing to me how the Bears screwed this up. So now they are going to get themselves back into a situation where they don't own their stadium...don't own the land around it for development...and have all of the same logistical issues they have now.
And why should the City of Chicago have any interest in playing ball with them for a new stadium?
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It is just amazing to me how the Bears screwed this up. So now they are going to get themselves back into a situation where they don't own their stadium...don't own the land around it for development...and have all of the same logistical issues they have now.
And why should the City of Chicago have any interest in playing ball with them for a new stadium?
What a disaster of a franchise
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More Super Bowl wins than Detroit.
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Interesting stat from Yahoo Sports:
No Super Bowl–winning team since 2013 has paid its leading rusher more than $2.5 million.
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https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1767129230435848205?s=20 (https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1767129230435848205?s=20)
Bears to Arlington dead?
The Chicago Bears are shifting their quest to build a new domed stadium away from Arlington Heights and plan to invest $2 billion to fund a new publicly-owned lakefront stadium in Chicago, a source confirmed to ESPN.
How is it publicly-owned if the Bears invest $2B$
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So 20th out of 66 QBs who started in NFL games makes Fields one of the worst.QBs in the league.
And 50th (Mac Jones rating) merits a “might be bad” toss away line after a paragraph praising his early work and making excuses for his work lately.
Interesting.
You're right, Lenny. According to that one ranking, Fields was more productive last year than Jake Browning, Bryce Young, Zach Wilson and even Mac Jones.
I can see why you want to keep him in the fold.
Weird hill to die on, man.
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It is just amazing to me how the Bears screwed this up. So now they are going to get themselves back into a situation where they don't own their stadium...don't own the land around it for development...and have all of the same logistical issues they have now.
And why should the City of Chicago have any interest in playing ball with them for a new stadium?
All because they don't want to pay a $10 million property tax bill on a project that'll virtually allow them to print money.
Either this is some truly hamfisted attempt to strongarm the suburban school districts (i.e. the bloodsuckers) or they're very dumb.
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All because they don't want to pay a $10 million property tax bill on a project that'll virtually allow them to print money.
Either this is some truly hamfisted attempt to strongarm the suburban school districts (i.e. the bloodsuckers) or they're very dumb.
On property they purchased for $197 million and want valued at $30 million, even though Chuchill Downs and the districts valued it at $95 million last year.
The districts aren't dumb. The Bears are going to have to pay this tax bill anyway, and if they don't develop it, someone else most certainly will.
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The Chicago Bears are shifting their quest to build a new domed stadium away from Arlington Heights and plan to invest $2 billion to fund a new publicly-owned lakefront stadium in Chicago, a source confirmed to ESPN.
How is it publicly-owned if the Bears invest $2B$
Something isn't factually correct in that post.
I mean, God bless Chicago if they can get the Bears to do $2B in leasehold improvements, but I think Justin Fields has a better shot at passing TB's Super Bowl total than that happening.
Maybe the the total project is $2B that the Bears kick in 10%-20%?
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@DMRussini
Kirk Cousins will hit free agency and begin discussions with Atlanta as soon as the tampering window opens in 90 minutes, per sources.
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Bears are signing Deandre Swift to a 3-year, $24 million deal.
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Bears are signing Deandre Swift to a 3-year, $24 million deal.
I don't get it. Probably the 4th best RB on the Bears between Roschon, Herbert and Fields
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I’m not sure why they were in a hurry to address RB (which was not a major need).
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I don't get it. Probably the 4th best RB on the Bears between Roschon, Herbert and Fields
lol! How do you keep coming up with these
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@DMRussini
Kirk Cousins will hit free agency and begin discussions with Atlanta as soon as the tampering window opens in 90 minutes, per sources.
Wink, wink.
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Bears are signing Deandre Swift to a 3-year, $24 million deal.
Titans giving pretty much the same deal to Tony Pollard.
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I’m not sure why they were in a hurry to address RB (which was not a major need).
100% agree
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I’m not sure why they were in a hurry to address RB (which was not a major need).
It’s a terrible franchise
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Bakhtiari released. How long until he's on the Jets?
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RBs getting good money so far.
We’ll see what the top guys end up with. Will certainly be 10M+ a year.
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Bakhtiari released. How long until he's on the Jets?
Depends if the GM (Aaron Rodgers) is in any fart retreats
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Wilkins to Vegas, 4 years, $84.75 M guaranteed.
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I’m not sure why they were in a hurry to address RB (which was not a major need).
I agree. I guess it's not awful since it is basically 2 yr, $8M/yr for a 25 yo, but not a need.
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Wilkins to Vegas, 4 years, $84.75 M guaranteed.
That's a lot for 11.5 sacks in 5 seasons.
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That's a lot for 11.5 sacks in 5 seasons.
20.5.
And one of the best run defenders in the league.
The best DL on the board once Jones re-signed.
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Packers signing Josh Jacobs???
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PFF aren't fans of the Swift deal.
RB D’ANDRE SWIFT SIGNS WITH CHICAGO BEARS
2023 PFF Grade: 66.5 (45th/59)
2023 PFF WAR: 0.13 (19th)
Fit/need grade: C-
Value grade: C-
Contract: Three years, $24 million ($8 million per year), $15.3 million total guaranteed
PFF projected contract: Three years, $22.5 million ($7.5 million per year), $15 million total guaranteed
For the second year in a row, the Philadelphia Eagles helped resurrect a highly drafted running back's career behind an elite offensive line with offensive line coach/run game coordinator Jeff Stoutland maximizing the talents of his rushers. Swift faced the Chicago Bears twice a year as a member of the Detroit Lions, but he maxed out at 151 carries over his first three seasons, often dealing with minor injuries. Chicago is paying for the 2023 production, with the Miles Sanders warning sign right in front of them. Chicago’s resources would have been much better spent elsewhere.
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Packers signing Josh Jacobs???
*flush money*
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Cousins to the Falcons.
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Swift has already won a game for the Bears during his rookie season.
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Be curious to see the numbers on Jacobs deal and what happens with Jones (either a release or restructure).
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20.5.
And one of the best run defenders in the league.
The best DL on the board once Jones re-signed.
Shame on me for trusting ESPN article.
He is a great run defender. Seems like a lot for mostly run defense, but not terrible.
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Swift has already won a game for the Bears during his rookie season.
Collusion!
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Saquon to the Eagles
Three years, $37.75 million. $26 million guaranteed.
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I did not expect the RB market to be this robust. Not saying these RB's are getting great deals, but the market certainly has seen demand a lot higher than I thought it would be.
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I did not expect the RB market to be this robust. Not saying these RB's are getting great deals, but the market certainly has seen demand a lot higher than I thought it would be.
I'm no expert, but I've been hearing that the draft class for RBs is very thin. Could this be driving the market?
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What’s the Justin Fields market at the moment? New England? Denver?
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Be curious to see the numbers on Jacobs deal and what happens with Jones (either a release or restructure).
Sounds like they were able to restructure, I like this two headed monster. A solid running game keeps the pressure off Love a bit.
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What’s the Justin Fields market at the moment? New England? Denver?
There can't be a Fields-Getsy reunion in the making, can there?
Sounds like the Vikings are signing Darnold.
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What’s the Justin Fields market at the moment? New England? Denver?
Maybe also the Giants? I guess it makes sense if Jones contract falls off as Fields would be due for a new contract.
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Packers release Aaron Jones.
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Packers release Aaron Jones.
Woo boy. Will be interesting to watch this play out.
Market is quite weird on RBs today.
Jacobs is fine but at what cost
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Titans giving pretty much the same deal to Tony Pollard.
Headline value yes. Devil is always in the details though when these are first announced, it's all about guaranteed $. Not sure what the specifics are for each, but my guess is Pollard gets more guaranteed (could be wrong obviously)
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Packers release Aaron Jones.
Cowboys on Line 1
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What’s the Justin Fields market at the moment? New England? Denver?
XFL
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Robert Hunt gets 5 years/$100 million ($63 million guaranteed) from the Panthers.
The guard market is nuts.
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If takes Jones over Jacob’s eight days a week. Better runner. Better receiver. Better team leader.
Don’t get this move at all.
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Robert Hunt gets 5 years/$100 million ($63 million guaranteed) from the Panthers.
The guard market is nuts.
So much for Ron Wolfe’s theory that guards are a dime a dozen.
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If takes Jones over Jacob’s eight days a week. Better runner. Better receiver. Better team leader.
Don’t get this move at all.
The season doesn't start for a few months. It might make sense later on. Sounds like Jones was slated to make $12M and wasn't interested in restructuring.
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If takes Jones over Jacob’s eight days a week. Better runner. Better receiver. Better team leader.
Don’t get this move at all.
29 vs. 26. Injured vs cowbell.
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If takes Jones over Jacob’s eight days a week. Better runner. Better receiver. Better team leader.
Don’t get this move at all.
Not saying this is a good idea, but he is younger, and Jones wouldn't restructure his deal. Will need to see what the cap hit is on the Jacobs' deal.
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Robert Hunt gets 5 years/$100 million ($63 million guaranteed) from the Panthers.
The guard market is nuts.
In a day that has seem some odd moves (in my opinion), this is the one that is ridiculous.
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Robert Hunt gets 5 years/$100 million ($63 million guaranteed) from the Panthers.
The guard market is nuts.
The Panthers, who also are in the market for a center, are desperate to improve the middle of their line to help Young. Their GM and coach have cited the way the Saints did that to make life easier for Brees.
Hunt was supposedly their #1 target, and now it looks like they got him. Super Bowl here we come!
In a day that has seem some odd moves (in my opinion), this is the one that is ridiculous.
The Panthers? Making a ridiculous move? C'mon now!
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Well thats a bummer on AJ
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Well thats a bummer on AJ
Completely replaceable.
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Well, since Kirk was able to get 4 damn years. Def had to move on.
It was 2 years or bust for Vikes.
Let’s see if they actually have the balls to properly swing big and draft a good QB.
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29 vs. 26. Injured vs cowbell.
Huh?
Both have played 73 regular season games in the last 5 years.
Jones YPC for his CAREER is better than Jacobs has had in any SEASON in the League.
Jones is a better receiver by far and a better blocker protecting the QB.
The only thing in Jacobs favor is age and as Jones showed at the end of the season, he hasn't lost anything.
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Packers sign Xavier McKinney.
Big upgrade from Darnell Savage.
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Completely replaceable.
I think that is about as true as 'FT no matta'.
If he is completely replaceable, why sign a guy like Jacobs who is even more replaceable? Just use the draft and go cheap.
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Completely replaceable.
Doesn't mean you can't like the guy and his impact in the locker room.
Xavier McKinney is an upgrade though,
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I think that is about as true as 'FT no matta'.
If he is completely replaceable, why sign a guy like Jacobs who is even more replaceable? Just use the draft and go cheap.
Jacobs is more replaceable than AJ Dillion?
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Jacobs is more replaceable than AJ Dillion?
I think he meant AJ as Aaron Jones.
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I think he meant AJ as Aaron Jones.
OOOOHHHHHH.....
That makes A LOT more sense. I thought people were going a little nutso here.
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Do like the Xavier McKinney signing but with usual caveats such as what’s the real money
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Huh?
Both have played 73 regular season games in the last 5 years.
Jones YPC for his CAREER is better than Jacobs has had in any SEASON in the League.
Jones is a better receiver by far and a better blocker protecting the QB.
The only thing in Jacobs favor is age and as Jones showed at the end of the season, he hasn't lost anything.
Aaron was on the injury list just about every week last season with a leg injury, mostly hamstring as he was the season before. He is breaking down and the wrong side of 26. 162 touches last year versus 270 for Josh (and the Raiders held him out the last few games). Josh had a similar amount of receptions as Jones over the past three seasons.
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Jacobs deal is reportedly 4 years/$48 million, but only $12.5 million guaranteed.
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Jacobs deal is reportedly 4 years/$48 million, but only $12.5 million guaranteed.
Wow...that's...not a lot.
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Gardner Minshew to Vegas.
One less landing spot for Fields.
Not sure Minshew makes a ton of sense for Vegas. Not a long-term answer, and if they're drafting someone, O'Connell seems a capable backup.
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Wow...that's...not a lot.
I've read that it's very similar to the deal Jones signed in 2021. Will be interesting to see who else they get at RB.
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Jacobs deal is reportedly 4 years/$48 million, but only $12.5 million guaranteed.
Makes me feel a bit better.
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Jacobs is more replaceable than AJ Dillion?
Jones.
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Wow...that's...not a lot.
@AndrewBrandt
Josh Jacobs:
Reported deal:
Four years, $48 million.
Real deal:
One year, $14.8 million, and three Packer option years.
Strong deal for one year, and then "we'll see."
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Still a bad deal.
From ESPN:
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jones approximately $11 million and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year.
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Still a bad deal.
From ESPN:
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jones approximately $11 million and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year.
Agree with this analysis
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Still a bad deal.
From ESPN:
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jones approximately $11 million and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year.
You need to consider that the Raiders offense as a whole was a train wreck most of last season. He was the best back in the league in 2022.
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Underrated awful signing is the London Jaguars 3-year deal to Gabe Davis
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Still a bad deal.
From ESPN:
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jones approximately $11 million and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year.
Yep, don't like it. Would have rather done a 2 year rental of Derrick Henry or similar and moved to a true timeshare. Pound for pound, Jones was one of the most valuable RBs in the league this side of Jamaal Charles
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You need to consider that the Raiders offense as a whole was a train wreck most of last season. He was the best back in the league in 2022.
Everyone talks about how RBs are overvalued and then GB and Chicago do what they did today.
Don’t get it.
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Last year, the Panthers reportedly turned down two firsts and a second for Brian Burns.
Today, they traded him for a second and a fifth.
My heart breaks for MU82.
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Huh?
Both have played 73 regular season games in the last 5 years.
Jones YPC for his CAREER is better than Jacobs has had in any SEASON in the League.
Jones is a better receiver by far and a better blocker protecting the QB.
The only thing in Jacobs favor is age and as Jones showed at the end of the season, he hasn't lost anything.
Jacobs had more receiptions and a better yards per catch.
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Yards per carry
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Yards per carry
Yes, thought he meant yards per catch.
Pak is right on Jacobs in 2022. The Raiders had a clue on what they were doing and Jacobs had a great year.
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Last year, the Panthers reportedly turned down two firsts and a second for Brian Burns.
Today, they traded him for a second and a fifth.
My heart breaks for MU82.
Also consider they included DJ Moore in the Bears deal because the old GM didn't want to include Burns in any deal. Now they move Burns for this.
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Underrated awful signing is the London Jaguars 3-year deal to Gabe Davis
The Lions signing Marcus Davenport says hello. Although, to be fair, it looks like a prove it deal.
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Yards per carry
Not correct. For his career, Jones has a higher yards per carry than Jacob’s did in his best year.
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The Lions signing Marcus Davenport says hello. Although, to be fair, it looks like a prove it deal.
We’ll see how Davis does with Christian Kirk next to him in London. Tough break for Mac Jones if they don’t bring Ridley back
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Still a bad deal.
From ESPN:
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jones approximately $11 million and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year.
That Jones figure doesn’t include his prorated signing bonus. He would have counted $17 M against the cap.
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That Jones figure doesn’t include his prorated signing bonus. He would have counted $17 M against the cap.
Correct. I’d still take Jones even though Jacob’s contract is much more team friendly. But with Love and the safety they signed, I understand why they made the move.
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Everyone talks about how RBs are overvalued and then GB and Chicago do what they did today.
Don’t get it.
I don't love the Swift deal but he's 25, 1,000+ yds and 4.8 Yds per carry $8M/yr looks better than Jacobs 26, 800+ yds, 3.5 Yds per carry $12M/yr.
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I don't love the Swift deal but he's 25, 1,000+ yds and 4.8 Yds per carry $8M/yr looks better than Jacobs 26, 800+ yds, 3.5 Yds per carry $12M/yr.
I think Jacobs' deal is only 1 year guaranteed, with 3 team options. Good price to roll the dice to see if he can get back to 2022 productivity.
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Justin Fields is still a Bear.
Is this because no one else wants him?
Or
Is it because Chicago still wants him?
If Chicago does still want him - are they planning on taking a QB and keeping both? Or trading down and keeping Fields alone?
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I don't love the Swift deal but he's 25, 1,000+ yds and 4.8 Yds per carry $8M/yr looks better than Jacobs 26, 800+ yds, 3.5 Yds per carry $12M/yr.
Swift had the benefit of playing behind and elite offensive line and a scheme that makes backs seem better than they are (see: Miles Sanders). And Jacobs spent the year with an offense that was a disaster most of the season. Look beyond a single season.
Also, Jacobs is guaranteed $12.5 million.
Swift is guaranteed $15.3 million.
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Justin Fields is still a Bear.
Is this because no one else wants him?
I suspect it's because teams don't want to give up draft capital when there are better/similar options available in free agency.
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I think Jacobs' deal is only 1 year guaranteed, with 3 team options. Good price to roll the dice to see if he can get back to 2022 productivity.
A one year guarantee is smart and a good gamble. I do like the Swift deal better, but lesser of two evils in my eyes.
I do like the McKinney deal for the Pack, not splashy but a very good NFL player. Basically don't have to worry about that position for 4 years.
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Swift had the benefit of playing behind and elite offensive line and a scheme that makes backs seem better than they are (see: Miles Sanders). And Jacobs spent the year with an offense that was a disaster most of the season. Look beyond a single season.
Also, Jacobs is guaranteed $12.5 million.
Swift is guaranteed $15.3 million.
All that said, and not disagreeing, I think the overall resumes would get similar deals. If both work out, then the Swift deal is better. If they both bust, Jacobs is is slightly better. Based upon age and body of work, I think both will work out for a few years on both teams. Obviously both GMs think they will be good, multi year players.
Still don't love either deal. Swift = C+, Jacobs = C-
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Swift had the benefit of playing behind and elite offensive line and a scheme that makes backs seem better than they are (see: Miles Sanders). And Jacobs spent the year with an offense that was a disaster most of the season. Look beyond a single season.
Also, Jacobs is guaranteed $12.5 million.
Swift is guaranteed $15.3 million.
You’ll be blaming the OC next for Jacob’s low production. ;)
FWIW, I don’t like the Swift deal at all.
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Not correct. For his career, Jones has a higher yards per carry than Jacob’s did in his best year.
Was quoting someone who thought it was referencing yards per catch. For the record, I'm not in on this signing. I think they are a wash if both are healthy, but that's been a big if for Jones. But hard to argue with value down the stretch.
The only place where I'm sure the Packers are on the right side of this is that I'm sure in years 3 and 4 of this deal, Jacobs will be a better player than Jones at age 33 & 34.
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Does GB just say to Jones - We can't come to terms, let's let you test the free agency market to see what open market bears, and GB gets first chance to match with a similar deal (per a handshake agreement between Jones and GM?)
Just wonder about the above as Jones was so respected in that locker room and organization.
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No world in which Jones agrees to any handshake deal or it'd be done. Rosenhaus is smart enough to canvas the market before allowing his client to be cut.
My guess is he gets something like 2 years, $20M, $11M guaranteed with some per game roster bonuses for injury protection.
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Everyone talks about how RBs are overvalued and then GB and Chicago do what they did today.
Don’t get it.
Eh, none of these are bank breaking deals. I think this type of musical chairs market of short team deals is exactly what the teams want. There is still a huge difference between very good RBs and meh RBs. They are team dependent, but you also can't just plug in Patrick Taylor and not miss a beat. The issue is that they just sort of sh!it and stop being productive, and that time often comes in their 20s. Low double digit million for short term deals with guys who have shown recent success is fine.
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Is this bad? https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1767329817093902582?t=QkZN0taC63PrgIwfmcig7w&s=19
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Is this bad? https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1767329817093902582?t=QkZN0taC63PrgIwfmcig7w&s=19
Yuk!
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I’d be surprised if Aaron Jones isn’t a Viking soon.
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Bengals releasing Joe Mixon.
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I’d be surprised if Aaron Jones isn’t a Viking soon.
https://theathletic.com/5334215/2024/03/11/aaron-jones-packers-release/?source=user_shared_article
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I understand what the Panthers are doing with their offensive line signings, but boy are they paying a heavy price to protect Young on the interior.
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I won't insult dumpster fires by calling the Panthers a dumpster fire.
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I understand what the Panthers are doing with their offensive line signings, but boy are they paying a heavy price to protect Young on the interior.
Cost of doing business when your QB is 5'10". But it's hard when Robert Hunt is also their best WR
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I’d be surprised if Aaron Jones isn’t a Viking soon.
LOL...of course.
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LOL...of course.
Thats a dude I didn't want to see in a vikings jersey
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Thats a dude I didn't want to see in a vikings jersey
Eh. I'm fine with it. He'll have his moments, but with Sam Darnold and that offensive line, they are only going so far.
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https://theathletic.com/5334215/2024/03/11/aaron-jones-packers-release/?source=user_shared_article
So he is getting a one-year, $7 million deal with the Vikings. After the Packers cut him after wanting to cut the $12 million he is due by "almost half."
This whole thing seems strange. So either the reporting is bad or the Packers were about right on his market valuation.
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Eh. I'm fine with it. He'll have his moments, but with Sam Darnold and that offensive line, they are only going so far.
Laughable if Darnold actually starts more than two games.
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The narrative he wants to “stick it to the Packers” is interesting. Not sure signing a deal with the Vikes is the way to do it. Rams, Niners, Eagles, teams that can win the conference would have made more sense to “stick it to the Packers”.
But $7 million guaranteed for a year at his age works just fine
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So he is getting a one-year, $7 million deal with the Vikings. After the Packers cut him after wanting to cut the $12 million he is due by "almost half."
This whole thing seems strange. So either the reporting is bad or the Packers were about right on his market valuation.
Seems like he just wasn't willing to take another pay cut "for the Packers." His restructure cost him money from his original deal last year, and I would bet that his attitude, rightly or wrongly, was that his performance justified the Packers paying him under the current contract terms. The Packers did the math and saw it instead as a series of one year deals under the banner of a multi year deal.
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Jameis to the Browns.
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Jameis to the Browns.
Saw Flacco in the playoff game and said 'bet'
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Bengals releasing Joe Mixon.
Stop the presses.
Rather than releasing Mixon, the Bengals work out a deal to trade him to Houston.
Bengals signing Zack Moss to replace him (I guess?).
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Falcons are giving Mooney 3 years/$39M, with $26M (!!!!!) guaranteed.
Stunning.
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AJ Dillon (who most Packers fans think was terrible last year because he was) averaged 3.4 YPC. Josh Jacobs averaged 3.5 YPC.
Admittedly, Jones had maybe 2 good years left - although I got Curtis Martin vibes - but I think GB is clearly a worse offensive team today than they were yesterday.
The good news is that I think they will draft 2 RBs next month - including one in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Falcons are giving Mooney 3 years/$39M, with $26M (!!!!!) guaranteed.
Stunning.
So you're saying he's twice as valuable as Aaron Jones? ;)
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Jacobs had kind of a weird year last year starting with his holdout. He's much better than AJ Dillon.
With the McKinney signing, the Packers are better than they were yesterday. I'm not sure that their offense is worse either. Plus, RBs fall off a cliff quick.
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So you're saying he's twice as valuable as Aaron Jones? ;)
Receiver >>> Running back
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Oh God I hope they don't draft a running back in the second round. They did that with Dillon and got someone very pedestrian.
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Falcons are giving Mooney 3 years/$39M, with $26M (!!!!!) guaranteed.
Stunning.
Every season there is one desperate team that signs B-level free agents to A-level deals.
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Every season there is one desperate team that signs B-level free agents to A-level deals.
Makes the deal London gave to Gabe Davis palatable
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Oh God I hope they don't draft a running back in the second round. They did that with Dillon and got someone very pedestrian.
Yeah. I think Emmanuel Wilson can give at least AJ Dillon numbers and he was signed as an undrafted FA.
My concern is 2 years down the road (no way Jacobs is here for a 3rd year). I haven't looked at what guys are available in the draft - if there is even a guy worthy of a 2nd round pick. But, even at RB, if there is a guy that makes your team appreciably better (think Gibbs in Detroit), I think you have to go for it. It helps the team and is a cheap option for 4 years.
And if Gutey is anything - he's a guy who always looks to go younger. So I have no argument with what you're saying. I just have a bit of a different opinion.
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I feel like it's not that hard to find a serviceable RB. The Chiefs haven't used a star RB to win. Ravens were one of the best teams with the Gus Bus at RB.
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Falcons are giving Mooney 3 years/$39M, with $26M (!!!!!) guaranteed.
Stunning.
Will he drop more TDs than he catches there too?
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I feel like it's not that hard to find a serviceable RB. The Chiefs haven't used a star RB to win. Ravens were one of the best teams with the Gus Bus at RB.
Both have MVPs at QB. The Eagles and 49ers who both have SB aspirations think a running back who is way more than serviceable is important enough to pay for. That is more in line with my thinking.
I’ll admit that part of it might be that a top RB is just way more fun to watch.
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Derrick Henry to the Ravens, which seems to be one of the best fits in free agency so far.
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Derrick Henry to the Ravens, which seems to be one of the best fits in free agency so far.
Wonder if Monken will actually give him the ball during the playoffs.
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Derrick Henry to the Ravens, which seems to be one of the best fits in free agency so far.
Old. Slowing down. Production dropping. Lotsa money.
Does he have enough in the tank for another year?
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Old. Slowing down. Production dropping. Lotsa money.
Does he have enough in the tank for another year?
It's only a two-year contract with $9 million guaranteed.
With the way the Ravens spread carries around, I think they'll be able to keep him fresh.
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Oh God I hope they don't draft a running back in the second round. They did that with Dillon and got someone very pedestrian.
dillon was a goal line beast and filled in fairly well for aaron when he was injured
BUT, he will be just fine
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dillon was a goal line beast and filled in fairly well for aaron when he was injured
Early in his career, yes. But his yards per attempt and yards after broken tackle have decreased each year. The difference in yards per attempt between Jones and Dillion was about 1.5, which is pretty substantial. (This roughly normalizes offensive line play.)
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Early in his career, yes. But his yards per attempt and yards after broken tackle have decreased each year. The difference in yards per attempt between Jones and Dillion was about 1.5, which is pretty substantial. (This roughly normalizes offensive line play.)
DIllon never really materialized into the goal line threat that everyone expected given his frame. I had much higher hopes of how he could be a change of pace/6-minute-offense grinder, but it just never really came together. (Yes, I know this could be because for most of his career he played with 12 who hated 6-minute offense/first down grinding and so maybe he never got a good chance to put it together). He was pretty good at blitz pickups, and was a god locker room/teammate/community member. Shame it didn't work out, best of luck with a change of scenery.
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Bears add Gerald Everett.
What was your favorite moment of the Robert Tonyan era in Chicago?
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Bears add Gerald Everett.
What was your favorite moment of the Robert Tonyan era in Chicago?
That's easy, ...... ummmm....... I've got nothing. :D
Everett seems like a decent sign. Hard for me to grade players down the depth chart but I know they are important in a 17 game season.
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Receiver >>> Running back
Yes…,
But there are way, way more good WRs than RBs.
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Bears add Gerald Everett.
What was your favorite moment of the Robert Tonyan era in Chicago?
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Bears add Gerald Everett.
What was your favorite moment of the Robert Tonyan era in Chicago?
I wonder what team Tonyan could end up with next
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Bears sign Mr. Simone Biles.
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Oh God I hope they don't draft a running back in the second round. They did that with Dillon and got someone very pedestrian.
What I learned there is you don't draft a FB in the 2nd round
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Bears sign Mr. Simone Biles.
This one is more upsetting than Jones to Minnesota, imo
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Henry a good pick up for Ravens
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Giving a 29-year-old pass rusher a $48 million guarantee is the kind of thing you can do when your two best players are on their rookie contracts.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39717947/source-texans-add-star-pass-rusher-danielle-hunter-49m-deal
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Did not expect Darnell Mooney to get $13M/yr, $26M guaranteed. Just 31 catches at 400 yards last year after a poor 2022. The WR market remains hot - too hot?
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Did not expect Darnell Mooney to get $13M/yr, $26M guaranteed. Just 31 catches at 400 yards last year after a poor 2022. The WR market remains hot - too hot?
It's probably an overpay, but he's a really good fit for Atlanta. They needed someone to keep safeties honest.
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It's probably an overpay, but he's a really good fit for Atlanta. They needed someone to keep safeties honest.
Some rumors that the FO talk at the combine was Mooney's tape was better than the production. That is, the QB couldn't see him or get him the ball; which fits with the developing Fields' story. Just some internet fodder to consider.
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If takes Jones over Jacob’s eight days a week. Better runner. Better receiver. Better team leader.
Don’t get this move at all.
Let me help. Jacobs is 26. Jones is 29 and injured all the time.
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A one year guarantee is smart and a good gamble. I do like the Swift deal better, but lesser of two evils in my eyes.
I do like the McKinney deal for the Pack, not splashy but a very good NFL player. Basically don't have to worry about that position for 4 years.
It's probably the splashiest deal in a long time considering McKinney's PFF grade... #4 Safety... He's 24 years old.
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AJ Dillon (who most Packers fans think was terrible last year because he was) averaged 3.4 YPC. Josh Jacobs averaged 3.5 YPC.
Admittedly, Jones had maybe 2 good years left - although I got Curtis Martin vibes - but I think GB is clearly a worse offensive team today than they were yesterday.
The good news is that I think they will draft 2 RBs next month - including one in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Josh Jacobs was an all-pro RB.
Go watch any tape from last year and you'll see how awful the Raiders OL was for him.
He's going to be walking into a much better situation in Green Bay.
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It's probably the splashiest deal in a long time considering McKinney's PFF grade... #4 Safety... He's 24 years old.
I'll just say that ESPN radio/Greeny and friends this morning talked about the Packers FA moves this morning and didn't even mention McKinney.
You and I really like the move, just not "splashy".
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I'll just say that ESPN radio/Greeny and friends this morning talked about the Packers FA moves this morning and didn't even mention McKinney.
You and I really like the move, just not "splashy".
Maybe we are smart and they are the idiots!
But for real, defensive players rarely get people pumped... except for Reggie White... and maybe Joe Johnson. :P
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Maybe we are smart and they are the idiots!
But for real, defensive players rarely get people pumped... except for Reggie White... and maybe Joe Johnson. :P
I remember when they signed Johnson. I was so jazzed about that. My dad called me about three games in and said "he stinks."
But I was also fired up when they signed Charles Woodson, who significantly exceeded expectations.
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Maybe we are smart and they are the idiots!
But for real, defensive players rarely get people pumped... except for Reggie White... and maybe Joe Johnson. :P
Thank you. That will be the only time today, this week, month or year someone says I might be smart. ;D
I'm a Bears fan but I gotta call them like I see them.
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I remember when they signed Johnson. I was so jazzed about that. My dad called me about three games in and said "he stinks."
But I was also fired up when they signed Charles Woodson, who significantly exceeded expectations.
Woodson looked bad in camp and the pre-season. He got cooked by the Bengals in pre-season and there were legit concerns he was done. And the rest is history
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I'll just say that ESPN radio/Greeny and friends this morning talked about the Packers FA moves this morning and didn't even mention McKinney.
You and I really like the move, just not "splashy".
He's a very good safety - many tiers above Amos when we signed him 5 years ago. He's not Nick Collins.
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Josh Jacobs was an all-pro RB.
Go watch any tape from last year and you'll see how awful the Raiders OL was for him.
He's going to be walking into a much better situation in Green Bay.
I hope he does well. For next season, though, I think Jones will be the better player.
The OL angle is way overplayed. Sometimes it is the player. Kinda like the Bears fans who say it was Getsy’s fault or the OL’s fault. Well, the entire NFL is saying no, it was just Fields.
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I hope he does well. For next season, though, I think Jones will be the better player.
The OL angle is way overplayed. Sometimes it is the player. Kinda like the Bears fans who say it was Getsy’s fault or the OL’s fault. Well, the entire NFL is saying no, it was just Fields.
Such an odd thing to say. The Packers are widely considered to have one of the best OLs in football, while the Raiders are in the bottom half. You don't think that matters in a running game?
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Such an odd thing to say. The Packers are widely considered to have one of the best OLs in football, while the Raiders are in the bottom half. You don't think that matters in a running game?
And the Raiders had no QB threat after dumping Carr and opposing defenses just stacked the line.
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I hope he does well. For next season, though, I think Jones will be the better player.
The OL angle is way overplayed. Sometimes it is the player. Kinda like the Bears fans who say it was Getsy’s fault or the OL’s fault. Well, the entire NFL is saying no, it was just Fields.
No
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And the Raiders had no QB threat after dumping Carr and opposing defenses just stacked the line.
Over his career, Jacobs has averaged 2.1 yards before contact.
Jones has averaged 2.7 yards before contact.
Offensive line and scheme matter. Jones has been given an extra half-yard to work with every time he's been handed the ball.
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I hope he does well. For next season, though, I think Jones will be the better player.
The OL angle is way overplayed. Sometimes it is the player. Kinda like the Bears fans who say it was Getsy’s fault or the OL’s fault. Well, the entire NFL is saying no, it was just Fields.
You’re obsessed
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I hope he does well. For next season, though, I think Jones will be the better player.
The OL angle is way overplayed. Sometimes it is the player. Kinda like the Bears fans who say it was Getsy’s fault or the OL’s fault. Well, the entire NFL is saying no, it was just Fields.
For me, I think the single most important thing for an NFL RB to be good is how fast they can hit the hole when it is open. Dillon couldn't get there in time, Jones could. For Jacobs, there never really was a hole last season.
I love Aaron Jones and I'll miss him. He was our best player last year.
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For me, I think the single most important thing for an NFL RB to be good is how fast they can hit the hole when it is open. Dillon couldn't get there in time, Jones could. For Jacobs, there never really was a hole last season.
I love Aaron Jones and I'll miss him. He was our best player last year.
I was just going to post the same thing about explosion to the hole. Besides being important, it is fun to see. It is the sole reason why I think Jones will be better next year than Jacob’s. If we’re talking who will do more in the next 3 years, Jacob’s is the obvious answer.
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I want to ask what you guys think of Gutey’s performance this week.
I was a skeptic his 1st couple years, but now think he may rank in the top 5 GMs - certainly top 10.
Maybe it’s just hard wired in my brain but I love guys that go against conventional wisdom. Current thought in the NFL and among fans is that you don’t pay RBs or safeties. Gutey paid both. McKinney is here only because of that. He went back to the Giants after the GB offer and they told him safety is not a position of value. They let Saquan go because RB is not a position of value. And pay Daniel Jones $40M
Gutey recognizes that players who tilt the field are always players of value. IF Jacobs is 2022 Jacobs, that is adding to game changing players in Free Agency.
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I want to ask what you guys think of Gutey’s performance this week.
I was a skeptic his 1st couple years, but now think he may rank in the top 5 GMs - certainly top 10.
Maybe it’s just hard wired in my brain but I love guys that go against conventional wisdom. Current thought in the NFL and among fans is that you don’t pay RBs or safeties. Gutey paid both. McKinney is here only because of that. He went back to the Giants after the GB offer and they told him safety is not a position of value. They let Saquan go because RB is not a position of value. And pay Daniel Jones $40M
Gutey recognizes that players who tilt the field are always players of value. IF Jacobs is 2022 Jacobs, that is adding to game changing players in Free Agency.
I doubt he’s done yet. I suspect they add a S and LB yet, not splashy, but one of each.
His choice of Anders Carlson was bad and holding onto Rodgers as long as he did was bad.
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Ken Ingalls (@KenIngalls on twitter) is a great follow for Packers cap/contract analysis. He's WAY WAY WAY into the weeds on analyzing this kind of stuff. Not grading Gutey, but on determining who is a cap casualty, who's getting cut, what the *actual* effects of their contracts are on cap, who can get restructured, etc.
He thinks GB is done with big free agents because you need cap space to sign your draft picks, to extend Love, to sign random dudes you need due to injuries, etc, and by his math they're already over the 2025 cap. So there's just not a lot of flexibility left over.
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I want to ask what you guys think of Gutey’s performance this week.
I was a skeptic his 1st couple years, but now think he may rank in the top 5 GMs - certainly top 10.
Maybe it’s just hard wired in my brain but I love guys that go against conventional wisdom. Current thought in the NFL and among fans is that you don’t pay RBs or safeties. Gutey paid both. McKinney is here only because of that. He went back to the Giants after the GB offer and they told him safety is not a position of value. They let Saquan go because RB is not a position of value. And pay Daniel Jones $40M
Gutey recognizes that players who tilt the field are always players of value. IF Jacobs is 2022 Jacobs, that is adding to game changing players in Free Agency.
I remember the Washington Redskins and Dan Snyder winning the FA season many times. ;)
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This will buy a guy a lot of eight-leg parlays.
@AdamSchefter
Calvin Ridley is signing with the Tennessee Titans: 4 years, 92M, $50M fully guaranteed
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This will buy a guy a lot of eight-leg parlays.
@AdamSchefter
Calvin Ridley is signing with the Tennessee Titans: 4 years, 92M, $50M fully guaranteed
That is mind boggling for a guy who is an absolute mess.
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What a disastrous off-season for London except upgrading at QB with Mac Jones
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That is mind boggling for a guy who is an absolute mess.
And they could have kept a younger and better AJ Brown for not much more than this.
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Ken Ingalls (@KenIngalls on twitter) is a great follow for Packers cap/contract analysis. He's WAY WAY WAY into the weeds on analyzing this kind of stuff. Not grading Gutey, but on determining who is a cap casualty, who's getting cut, what the *actual* effects of their contracts are on cap, who can get restructured, etc.
He thinks GB is done with big free agents because you need cap space to sign your draft picks, to extend Love, to sign random dudes you need due to injuries, etc, and by his math they're already over the 2025 cap. So there's just not a lot of flexibility left over.
I suspect that they will draft a lot of redundancy with their 2022 draft class - don't be surprised if they draft WRs because 2022 is a year away from being very costly for as good as a number have been
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What a disastrous off-season for London except upgrading at QB with Mac Jones
They may be light on cash.
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-jaguars-employee-sentenced-to-prison-for-embezzlement-181928322.html
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I remember the Washington Redskins and Dan Snyder winning the FA season many times. ;)
True.
Although they just signed guys at random rather than having any sort of plan.
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Flacco to the Colts.
A natural backup for Anthony Richardson.
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Flacco to the Colts.
A natural backup for Anthony Richardson.
Had seen them mentioned for Fields. Cross them off
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Your 2022 NFL Draft QB Class:
Kenny Pickett - benched and team signed a free agent QB
Desmond Ridder - benched then traded
Malik Willis - team drafted a QB No. 33 overall the next year
Matt Corral - cut after one year
Bailey Zappe - backup, team signed a free agent QB and is expected to draft one early
Sam Howell - traded
Skylar Thompson - backup
Brock Purdy!
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Had seen them mentioned for Fields. Cross them off
Apparently no one is interested in Fields - at least at the price they are asking for him.
They are either going to need to lower their expectations significantly or figure out how to manage potential controversy with both in the locker room. Or maybe they just aren't interested in a QB to begin with.
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Apparently no one is interested in Fields - at least at the price they are asking for him.
They are either going to need to lower their expectations significantly or figure out how to manage potential controversy with both in the locker room. Or maybe they just aren't interested in a QB to begin with.
If they can stomach it, they should wait until the draft now and see how it plays out. Vikings and Broncos definitely appear willing to move up and get a QB. Problem is, both could just as easily take a Bo Nix or Michael Penix if they can’t move up.
Financially, they can keep both. Would be a wild dynamic to watch play out.
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Lions have signed two likely d-line starters and two starting corners. Huh. I can hazard a guess where Homes and Campbell felt the weaknesses were.
Need a guard now to replace Jackson. The draft will be all about depth and development.
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@TomPelissero
Free-agent RB AJ Dillon is expected to re-sign with the #Packers pending a physical, per sources.
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@TomPelissero
Free-agent RB AJ Dillon is expected to re-sign with the #Packers pending a physical, per sources.
That's fine. He knows the offense, can block, and comes cheap.
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That's fine. He knows the offense, can block, and comes cheap.
Looks like they used a contract clause that allows him to be paid $1.35M above the minimum, but only count as the minimum against the cap.
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Looks like they used a contract clause that allows him to be paid $1.35M above the minimum, but only count as the minimum against the cap.
And he can be cut with no cap issues.
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That is a hell of a trade by the Bears.
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Keenan Allen to the Bears for a 4th rounder. Both top Charger WRs gone.
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Keenan Allen to the Bears for a 4th rounder. Both top Charger WRs gone.
Nice move by the Bears. He’s not the player he was but as a complement to Moore, you can do far worse than that.
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Nice move by the Bears. He’s not the player he was but as a complement to Moore, you can do far worse than that.
So the Bears invested in offense. Keeping Fields? You don't spend this money/capital on a rookie QB. Yet...
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Outside of the Swift contract, which seems rich to me, I like the moves they have made. Good value.
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So the Bears invested in offense. Keeping Fields? You don't spend this money/capitalon a rookie QB. Yet...
Williams is a plug and play QB but maybe they’re leaning on keeping Fields. I don’t think it’s bad to have veteran wideouts with a rookie QB. Plus, Allen isn’t a guy getting another contract, well, big one
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Yeah Allen is likely a one year rental. But that’s OK too.
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@TomPelissero
Free-agent RB AJ Dillon is expected to re-sign with the #Packers pending a physical, per sources.
Dude is money for first downs and the goal line
He’s one of those guys like kickers…they ain’t that valuable until they win the game for ya
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Dude is money for first downs and the goal line
He’s one of those guys like kickers…they ain’t that valuable until they win the game for ya
He wasn’t any of those things last year
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Dude is money for first downs and the goal line
Did you stop watching Packer football a couple of years ago? Because he has been pretty ordinary in those situations the last couple of years. And I think the league agrees otherwise he would be elsewhere and not working on a one-year deal that can end at any time.
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Yeah Allen is likely a one year rental. But that’s OK too.
Yea, I look at it as "skill weapon to aid the transition of a rookie QB" or "skill weapon to further stack the offense to truly see the upper limit of Fields"...and like you said, fine with either. For a reasonable price.
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And he can be cut with no cap issues.
Yep. Actually a perfectly fine move. Now there's much less urgency to spend a draft pick on a RB to fill out the room. They keep a guy who knows the system, is good in blitz pickup, and is a good locker room guy for basically peanuts. If you think of him as a depth piece on a minimum salary deal, then it's good.
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https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1768634543534231892?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Vikes add another 1st round pick
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https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1768634543534231892?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Vikes add another 1st round pick
Too lazy to look at the draft capital chart, but this strikes me as a precursor to another move. They already have 11, which should be enough for Penix or Nix. If they are targeting one of those guys, I doubt they take someone else and roll the dice on them lasting to 23. In isolation, unless the chart says they win this deal, I'm not sure what 23 by itself gets you this far from draft day.
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Too lazy to look at the draft capital chart, but this strikes me as a precursor to another move. They already have 11, which should be enough for Penix or Nix. If they are targeting one of those guys, I doubt they take someone else and roll the dice on them lasting to 23. In isolation, unless the chart says they win this deal, I'm not sure what 23 by itself gets you this far from draft day.
11 and 23 should be attractive to someone between 3-6. If New England isn’t sold on whatever QB is as 3, I can see them trade back to acquire more picks as they need a lot of talent infusion. I think Arizona stays at 4 if Harrison is available. Chargers might be inclined to do a trade, too, as they have a lot of holes to fill
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Hopefully, the Vikings take Penix. Solely so I can make jokes non stop.
Penix comes up short once again on 3rd down!
Penix goes deep!
You know, that sort of high brow humor. Deep stuff.
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11 and 23 should be attractive to someone between 3-6. If New England isn’t sold on whatever QB is as 3, I can see them trade back to acquire more picks as they need a lot of talent infusion. I think Arizona stays at 4 if Harrison is available. Chargers might be inclined to do a trade, too, as they have a lot of holes to fill
Chargers definitely want to move out of that pick and 11+23 shoild get it done.
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That's a lot if you're ending up with the 4 most valued QB. Doesn't mean that guy isn't ultimately the best player of the bunch, but as with the 49ers when they drafted Lance, it puts a lot of variables in other teams' hands
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A whole lot of offensive linemen's necks just got safer with Aaron Donald's retirement.
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Yeah Allen is likely a one year rental. But that’s OK too.
4th round pick for a rental? If they were a SB quality team, then okay but if they make the playoffs it will be due to a last place schedule. Poles seems to get fine players but pays too much. If they restructure this into a 2-3 year, then maybe it looks good.
I found it interesting Allen had a list of teams he would only agree to be traded to. Shocked the Bears made the list.
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4th round pick for a rental? If they were a SB quality team, then okay but if they make the playoffs it will be due to a last place schedule. Poles seems to get fine players but pays too much. If they restructure this into a 2-3 year, then maybe it looks good.
I found it interesting Allen had a list of teams he would only agree to be traded to. Shocked the Bears made the list.
This is a Pro Bowl receiver that the Bears are getting with a fourth round pick. Stefon Diggs cost the Bills a first rounder among others. Davante Adams cost the Raiders a first and second. A fourth for Allen seems about right even if its just for one year.
And the Bears may not want to extend him. If he walks in free agency, they'll get a compensatory pick in the '25 draft.
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This is a Pro Bowl receiver that the Bears are getting with a fourth round pick. Stefon Diggs cost the Bills a first rounder among others. Davante Adams cost the Raiders a first and second. A fourth for Allen seems about right even if its just for one year.
And the Bears may not want to extend him. If he walks in free agency, they'll get a compensatory pick in the '25 draft.
Agree. And nothing is more important than seeing if your rookie Qb is worth a damn. They are where they are with Fields because they gave him a Mulligan for Nagy, then a Mulligan for Getsy and ???
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This is a Pro Bowl receiver that the Bears are getting with a fourth round pick. Stefon Diggs cost the Bills a first rounder among others. Davante Adams cost the Raiders a first and second. A fourth for Allen seems about right even if its just for one year.
And the Bears may not want to extend him. If he walks in free agency, they'll get a compensatory pick in the '25 draft.
That's fair. Good points.
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Pickett to the Eagles. There's a non-zero chance that Fields is the Bears starting running back.
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Pickett to the Eagles. There's a non-zero chance that Fields is the Bears starting running back.
I guess D'andre Swift is playing QB in this fantasy of yours?
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I guess D'andre Swift is playing QB in this fantasy of yours?
Can't hurt. But my point is that there are about 2 backup spots open right now. Near zero leverage to unload him and certainly not for anything meaningful
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I guess D'andre Swift is playing QB in this fantasy of yours?
Its just the played joke that him and Wades have been beating into the ground for months that Fields is a RB, not a QB. It was smirk worthy once or twice, now its as tired as using Buffoon of the US in other threads.
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Kenny Pickett to the Eagles for pick 98 and two future 7ths.
Not much return for a guy you took 20th overall less than two years ago.
And there goes another potential landing spot for Fields.
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Kenny Pickett to the Eagles for pick 98 and two future 7ths.
Not much return for a guy you took 20th overall less than two years ago.
And there goes another potential landing spot for Fields.
But it opens up another.
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But it opens up another.
As Russel Wilson's backup?
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Its just the played joke that him and Wades have been beating into the ground for months that Fields is a RB, not a QB. It was smirk worthy once or twice, now its as tired as using Buffoon of the US in other threads.
Bingo.
Fields would be just as crappy at RB as he is at QB.
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Pickett to the Eagles. There's a non-zero chance that Fields is the Bears starting running back.
The Bears will eventually fold and accept a 5th or 6th.rounder.
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The Bears will eventually fold and accept a 5th or 6th.rounder.
Or maybe some team will fold and give the Bears a 5th or 6th rounder.
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But it opens up another.
Could be. Would be weird for the Steelers to give up an asset for him to serve as a backup and then need to decide on an option/extension under those circumstances.
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As Russel Wilson's backup?
Yes. Mason Rudolph is a free agent, and who knows how long Russ will be there.
Could be. Would be weird for the Steelers to give up an asset for him to serve as a backup and then need to decide on an option/extension under those circumstances.
True. But Pickett apparently wanted to move on.
And this point Fields can really only be looking at back up options right?
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And this point Fields can really only be looking at back up options right?
Best case is he is given a chance to compete for the starting job.
Stunning to think how media and most fans (including non Justin fans) were so far off on Fields' value.
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Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.
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Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.
Yeah, god help the packers if they have to play Sean Clifford
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Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.
Agreed. Have 2 power backs. Need a dynamic back.
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Fields to Steelers for 2025 6th
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But Scoop told me he’d get minimum 2 seconds, if not a first and second.
Lol.
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Fields to Steelers for 2025 6th
Lol
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As Russel Wilson's backup?
Hey look. I got something right.
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I must admit that I thought the Bears would do better than that though.
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At the very least, it’s worth remembering that Fields was a Pace move/pick, and not Poles. So I can appreciate Poles realizing a sunk cost and working to assemble more talent around a rookie this time around.
The next time the Bears don’t ruin a highly drafted QB will be the first, but people acting like this is Groundhog Day from Fields’ start aren’t being honest. Allen, Moore, Everett, a much improved Kmet, and 2 good RBs is a far better landing spot for a green QB than Byron Pringle, Chase Claypool, and a between the tackles RB.
I’m not sold on or a fan of Williams, but I was excited about Fields so at least I can temper expectations comfortably
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Schefter, Kiper, Rapoport peddling the market for Fields was certainly something.
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Tyrod Taylor!
Transitioning to his real path. Career backup.
I thought he would bring more - until nothing happened at the Combine. That pretty much let us know what the market was.
And what coach or GM wants to put his NFL career in Field’s hands?
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Williams has been a better QB than Fields for years already. It’s a laughable return given a former top draft pick at QB, but the biggest thing is you’re getting a huge upgrade at the most important position in the game.
Now, whether Williams is good or not is the debate.
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But Scoop told me he’d get minimum 2 seconds, if not a first and second.
Lol.
Scoop and pretty much everyone else was wrong about Fields' value.
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So I guess it can turn into a 4th round pick if Fields plays 51% of the Steeler’s snaps this year.
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Did the Steelers give up a 6th round pick for a QB that might have been released?
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I haven't really followed the Bears closely for years. Did they hang onto Fields for too long, figuring offers would improve over time instead of get worse over time?
I agree with Wags that Williams will have some talent round him. If the coaches don't ruin him and if the line's any good (is it?), he might have a legit chance to succeed, even as a rookie.
It will be interesting to hear what Fields has to say after going from starter with a big payday coming up to backing up an old (washed up?) QB.
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Did the Steelers give up a 6th round pick for a QB that might have been released?
A sixth round pick isn’t that big of a deal really.
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A sixth round pick isn’t that big of a deal really.
What did they get for Pickett?
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Fields had a very classy goodby message to Chicago. Always a class act and hard worker. I wish him well.
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It will be interesting to hear what Fields has to say after going from starter with a big payday coming up to backing up an old (washed up?) QB.
For the many (often justified) criticisms of Fields on field performance, I’ve always been fairly impressed and pleased with how he’s handled the media and off the field aspect of being and NFL starter.
Which leads to my next point. I think he was very lacking in a lot of ways as a starter, but I also think the Bears let him down in a variety of ways. Both can be true.
And one only needs to look to Baker Mayfield for motivation/inspiration. Highly drafted and regarded QB. Showed a lot of spark in Cleveland, but got ousted for a variety of fit reasons, got cut from a disaster of an organization in Carolina (no offense Mike ;D), was a serviceable backup in LA for a minute, then got another chance in Tampa after taking some licks, and performed and got himself a fat contract.
He’s headed to the Steelers as a “backup” but it is very much in the realm of possibility for him to get starter reps for a good chunk of the year given how Wilson has been.
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Oh I absolutely agree that the Bears let him down. Personnel and coaching staff wise.
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For the many (often justified) criticisms of Fields on field performance, I’ve always been fairly impressed and pleased with how he’s handled the media and off the field aspect of being and NFL starter.
Which leads to my next point. I think he was very lacking in a lot of ways as a starter, but I also think the Bears let him down in a variety of ways. Both can be true.
And one only needs to look to Baker Mayfield for motivation/inspiration. Highly drafted and regarded QB. Showed a lot of spark in Cleveland, but got ousted for a variety of fit reasons, got cut from a disaster of an organization in Carolina (no offense Mike ;D), was a serviceable backup in LA for a minute, then got another chance in Tampa after taking some licks, and performed and got himself a fat contract.
He’s headed to the Steelers as a “backup” but it is very much in the realm of possibility for him to get starter reps for a good chunk of the year given how Wilson has been.
Lots of good points in there, Wags, especially about how Fields could end up starting a good chunk of the season for Pittsburgh. Not only given how Wilson has been, but because very few QBs stay healthy an entire season.
Fields' goodbye-to-Chicago note was, as WT pointed out, quite classy.
And no offense taken on your fact about the disaster that is the Carolina organization. Now that you mention it, "No Offense" would be a good working title for the official NFL films production about the 2023 Carolina Panthers.
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What did they get for Pickett?
A 3rd & 2 7ths, gave back a 4th.
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Steelers have an improved QB room at very low cost. Fields moving to back up ,takes the pressure off him, and will hopefully enable Justin to develop in the background
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Steelers have an improved QB room at very low cost. Fields moving to back up ,takes the pressure off him, and will hopefully enable Justin to develop in the background
Justin adds nothing. Crap QB who can't read the field. He will be a negative in the QB room.
He was traded for a 6th round pick - next year. In a new era with NIL money that means most 6th or 7th round players are guys that would have been undrafted FAs.
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I think an aspect of Fields' value that is under (or not) played by fans and media is his injury history paired with his style of play. It is a big reason I was ready for the Bears to move on.
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Justin adds nothing. Crap QB who can't read the field. He will be a negative in the QB room.
He was traded for a 6th round pick - next year. In a new era with NIL money that means most 6th or 7th round players are guys that would have been undrafted FAs.
Herm’s football acumen is pretty terrible but great comedy
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Herm’s football acumen is pretty terrible but great comedy
But in this case, he's 100 percent correct.
They went from Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky and Mason Randolph at a $10.1 million cap hit to Russell Wilson, Justin Fields and likely a late pick/UDFA at about $5 million. ($4.3 million for Russ and Fields)
Their #1 is better than last year's #1.
Their #2 is better than last year's #2.
And they've got $5 million to spare against the cap.
Whatever you think of Russ and Fields, the Steelers have improved their QB room.
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But in this case, he's 100 percent correct.
They went from Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky and Mason Randolph at a $10.1 million cap hit to Russell Wilson, Justin Fields and likely a late pick/UDFA at about $5 million. ($4.3 million for Russ and Fields)
Their #1 is better than last year's #1.
Their #2 is better than last year's #2.
And they've got $5 million to spare against the cap.
Whatever you think of Russ and Fields, the Steelers have improved their QB room.
How do you square that with "Justin adds nothing. Crap QB who can't read the field. He will be a negative in the QB room."?
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But in this case, he's 100 percent correct.
They went from Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky and Mason Randolph at a $10.1 million cap hit to Russell Wilson, Justin Fields and likely a late pick/UDFA at about $5 million. ($4.3 million for Russ and Fields)
Their #1 is better than last year's #1.
Their #2 is better than last year's #2.
And they've got $5 million to spare against the cap.
Whatever you think of Russ and Fields, the Steelers have improved their QB room.
They added Russell Wilson. He’s a poor man’s Aaron Rodgers diva. Fields development will be in the hands of Arthur Smith. If they had a Tom Clements on that staff, I’d say maybe they save Fields.
They saved money. That’s about it.
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They added Russell Wilson. He’s a poor man’s Aaron Rodgers diva. Fields development will be in the hands of Arthur Smith. If they had a Tom Clements on that staff, I’d say maybe they save Fields.
They saved money. That’s about it.
It's not an improvement because Wilson is a diva?
Sit down, and let me tell you a story about a guy named Kenny Pickett ...
It's certainly hard to imagine Arthur Smith developing a disappointing first-round pick into a quality quarterback after he was traded away for a 6th round pick. Let me think on that one for a bit ...
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How do you square that with "Justin adds nothing. Crap QB who can't read the field. He will be a negative in the QB room."?
I think you're replying to the wrong post.
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I guess so. My bad. I was confused with the thread.
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ESPN’s Courtney Cronin reports the Bears had an offer with stronger draft capital for QB Justin Fields but chose the Steelers to “continue his development.”
That should be a fireable offense. Poles actual job is to do what is best for the Bears. I'm just spit balling here, but my guess is that nowhere in his contract is there a clause about helping Justin find a good landing spot at the expense of the Bears' roster..
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It's not an improvement because Wilson is a diva?
Sit down, and let me tell you a story about a guy named Kenny Pickett ...
It's certainly hard to imagine Arthur Smith developing a disappointing first-round pick into a quality quarterback after he was traded away for a 6th round pick. Let me think on that one for a bit ...
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejI4aW9oOHFqdnBmeXZua3gwc2ZsZGE5ZDVpemF6cHkwMDdiNjlvcyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ULVEVbLMYMfdsPoojN/giphy.gif)
Replacing one diva with another diva isn’t an improvement.
Tannehill was a better QB than Fields has shown. Fields is more dynamic but Tannehill had good seasons in Miami.
We’re going to disagree on this. For Fields development, I believe he’d had have far better served going elsewhere
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ESPN’s Courtney Cronin reports the Bears had an offer with stronger draft capital for QB Justin Fields but chose the Steelers to “continue his development.”
That should be a fireable offense. Poles actual job is to do what is best for the Bears. I'm just spit balling here, but my guess is that nowhere in his contract is there a clause about helping Justin find a good landing spot at the expense of the Bears' roster..
What you say is true. I will say, possibly the Bears FO gains a little street cred with NFL players and agents? Maybe some collateral benefit?
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What you say is true. I will say, possibly the Bears FO gains a little street cred with NFL players and agents? Maybe some collateral benefit?
The more likely story is, the better offer came from a team they had no interest trading him to.
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The more likely story is, the better offer came from a team they had no interest trading him to.
Right. Like an in-conference foe or someone they are slated to play next year. Hell, maybe it was the Packers.
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Right. Like an in-conference foe or someone they are slated to play next year. Hell, maybe it was the Packers.
I thought the Rams or Niners might kick the tires on him. They’re good spots for wayward QBs. Don’t think the Rams would trade much for him, though.
Vikings could have been sniffing around, too
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I thought the Rams or Niners might kick the tires on him. They’re good spots for wayward QBs. Don’t think the Rams would trade much for him, though.
Vikings could have been sniffing around, too
I texted my one Viking fan friend that given the price, the Vikings should have offered slightly better to get him. A backfield of Jones and Fields would’ve been exciting, and it’s not like Darnold is a good QB.
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I texted my one Viking fan friend that given the price, the Vikings should have offered slightly better to get him. A backfield of Jones and Fields would’ve been exciting, and it’s not like Darnold is a good QB.
I’m speculating it was the Vikings as a possibility. Probably would have been before they added Darnold.
Bears could be blowing smoke like you said. Seems unlikely they would turn down a better deal unless there was a reason
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Rapaport reports Fields asked Bears to ok trade to Pittsburgh versus 4 other options.
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Rapaport reports Fields asked Bears to ok trade to Pittsburgh versus 4 other options.
If I'm Fields, I'd like to compete against the guy who refuses to throw over the middle.
I'm inclined to think the Bears tried to do right by Fields but they were also never going to trade him in the division. They're not so secure that they think there's no way it'd backfire with the Vikes.
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With the signing of Zeitler to play guard, Detroit now is in a draft position to take the best player available. Draft for depth and development. OL, DL, DB, WR, best available.
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Lions may have to go out and get another corner.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/18/2024-nfl-free-agency-winners-losers-texans-panthers
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Lions may have to go out and get another corner.
Lions definitely have to go out and get a corner.
Sutton released.
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If I'm Fields, I'd like to compete against the guy who refuses to throw over the middle.
I'm inclined to think the Bears tried to do right by Fields but they were also never going to trade him in the division. They're not so secure that they think there's no way it'd backfire with the Vikes.
I believe fields, under the right system, could be decent. remember he played under Chicago people
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I believe fields, under the right system, could be decent. remember he played under Chicago people
I think you are correct, but is still crazy that essentially all NFL teams don't think highly of Fields. Barely even a hint that they feel the system kept him down. NFL personnel just don't like the underlying skill set. But, maybe fans and media are correct and NFL teams are wrong.
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I think you are correct, but is still crazy that essentially all NFL teams don't think highly of Fields. Barely even a hint that they feel the system kept him down. NFL personnel just don't like the underlying skill set. But, maybe fans and media are correct and NFL teams are wrong.
I think that an even bigger reason is that teams that really need a QB have a GM or HC who is either new or on the hot seat. They absolutely do not wanna have their future in the NFL decided by a failed guy like Fields.
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I mean, think of all the QBs who escaped horrible Bears coaching and went on to be superstars elsewhere!
McMahon … Tomczak … Harbaugh … Kramer … Orton … Cutler … Trubisky … the list just goes on and on!
A pretty tough act to follow for Fields.
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Yeah, I think there is a lot of excuse making for Fields here. Sure he may be able to become a decent QB, but I think he just isn't all that good.
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Chiefs sure didn't get much of a return for L'Jarius Sneed.
https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-trading-cb-l-jarius-sneed-to-titans
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If this is true, prepare for more playoff games on streaming. Very, very interesting
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-peacock-retained-71-percent-of-wild-card-subscribers-seven-weeks-later
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If this is true, prepare for more playoff games on streaming. Very, very interesting
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-peacock-retained-71-percent-of-wild-card-subscribers-seven-weeks-later
As long as we aren't subjected to woke Taylor Swift
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I could be way wrong on this, but I don’t get all this J.J. McCarthy love.
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I could be way wrong on this, but I don’t get all this J.J. McCarthy love.
I agree. Maybe everyone is seeing the next Brady from Michigan? He look like a very good QB behind a great line with a great running game. Didn't let him throw 1 pass the second half of the PSU game. 1st round pick sure, top 3?
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Lotta chatter that the Viqueens will trade up to get him.
I hope the reports are correct.
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Lotta chatter that the Viqueens will trade up to get him.
I hope the reports are correct.
Minnesota won’t be able to draft him after Washington takes McCarthy at 2.
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I could be way wrong on this, but I don’t get all this J.J. McCarthy love.
I get it. Good arm, really athletic, smart, coaches and teammates love him, etc.
I'm not expert enough to know whether he'll be any good as a pro, but to me he profiles way better than a lot of recent draftees the draft industrial complex loved (see: Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Baker, Murray), all of whom had more serious flaws.
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I get it. Good arm, really athletic, smart, coaches and teammates love him, etc.
I'm not expert enough to know whether he'll be any good as a pro, but to me he profiles way better than a lot of recent draftees the draft industrial complex loved (see: Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Baker, Murray), all of whom had more serious flaws.
Again, I could be way wrong, but that description sounds a lot like Christian Ponder too.
I just can’t wrap my head around McCarthy going #2 overall. I’d like more on film to believe in him going that high. I say this as someone not sold on Maye and really worried about Daniels longevity. I actually wish the Chargers could trade Herbert (they can’t) to see how Harbaugh would use McCarthy as a pro.
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I get it. Good arm, really athletic, smart, coaches and teammates love him, etc.
I'm not expert enough to know whether he'll be any good as a pro, but to me he profiles way better than a lot of recent draftees the draft industrial complex loved (see: Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Baker, Murray), all of whom had more serious flaws.
Here is what they are saying:
+Outstanding mechanics in both upper and lower body leads to consistently pretty and accurate throws.
+Creates an excellent throwing base with his legs and is typically squared to the target, maximizing a less-than-elite, but still easily NFL-caliber arm.
+Excellent vision in post-snap and also regularly demonstrates good anticipation stemming from accurate pre-snap reads.
+Great size and surprising athleticism. Flashed ability as a big-play runner and should be athletic enough to operate outside of the pocket and as a scrambler in the NFL.
+Particularly excellent deep ball thrower.
+High processing speed, capable of making pro-style progression reads impressively.
+Surprisingly gritty leader.
... in the Daniel Jones draft report. ;)
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Again, I could be way wrong, but that description sounds a lot like Christian Ponder too.
I just can’t wrap my head around McCarthy going #2 overall. I’d like more on film to believe in him going that high. I say this as someone not sold on Maye and really worried about Daniels longevity. I actually wish the Chargers could trade Herbert (they can’t) to see how Harbaugh would use McCarthy as a pro.
I probably missed this..
But what do you think of Caleb?
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Harbaugh limited how much JJ threw the ball. Didn’t trust him?
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I probably missed this..
But what do you think of Caleb?
I’m the college football thread over the course of this past season, I definitely (and still do) raised major Caleb Williams concerns. I think there’s possibly a world where we look back in five years and Spencer Rattler is the best pro QB to come out of this draft.
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I’m the college football thread over the course of this past season, I definitely (and still do) raised major Caleb Williams concerns. I think there’s possibly a world where we look back in five years and Spencer Rattler is the best pro QB to come out of this draft.
Think the bears should take Caleb #1? Take another QB or other player #1? Or trade down?
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Again, I could be way wrong, but that description sounds a lot like Christian Ponder too.
I just can’t wrap my head around McCarthy going #2 overall. I’d like more on film to believe in him going that high. I say this as someone not sold on Maye and really worried about Daniels longevity. I actually wish the Chargers could trade Herbert (they can’t) to see how Harbaugh would use McCarthy as a pro.
Don't really see the Ponder comp. JJ is a better athlete, much more accurate, has a stronger arm (threw 61 mph at the Combine to Ponder's 51 mph), threw better and more often downfield (9.4 AY/A to Ponder's 6.7), and took better care of the ball (11 INTs on 713 attempts to 30 on 965 attempts for Ponder).
And while I think too much can be made of a QB's record, Ponder was 23-12 as a starter, McCarthy was 27-1.
I also would be surprised at him going #2, but again, I get why he's popular. I also get that it would be nice to have more film, but he threw more passes in college than Josh Allen and Tua, and nearly as many as CJ Stroud (713 to 830). So, it's not as if his lack of film is a huge red flag.
Again, no clue here whether he's good or not, but I'm not surprised he's highly regarded. I said that two months ago when he declared.
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Think the bears should take Caleb #1? Take another QB or other player #1? Or trade down?
They’re definitely taking Caleb at 1, and they probably should. I have my concerns (height/decision making against better defensive opponents/shorter windows to throw through in the NFL), but there’s concerns with everyone.
The hit rate on round 1 QB’s isn’t going to overwhelm anyone, it’s as much about aligning right guy with right team/ resources as ever. The Bears infrastructure is probably the best it’s ever been to bring in a new young QB. That’s not meant to be a compliment either, their internal commitment to offense has forever been terrible.
I’m more curious about what they do at 9 than anything else.
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They’re definitely taking Caleb at 1, and they probably should. I have my concerns (height/decision making against better defensive opponents/shorter windows to throw through in the NFL), but there’s concerns with everyone.
The hit rate on round 1 QB’s isn’t going to overwhelm anyone, it’s as much about aligning right guy with right team/ resources as ever. The Bears infrastructure is probably the best it’s ever been to bring in a new young QB. That’s not meant to be a compliment either, their internal commitment to offense has forever been terrible.
I’m more curious about what they do at 9 than anything else.
I would think edge or WR. Potentially BPA
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Packers got a new kicker.
https://x.com/TesslerSports/status/1772652297593487562?s=20
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Packers got a new kicker.
https://x.com/TesslerSports/status/1772652297593487562?s=20
Sounds like he negotiating for a contract on X.
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TV News:
2 games on XMas, which is a Wednesday
The opener in Brazil between Philly and Cleveland will be streamed on Peacock
NFL money machine rolls along
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Kickoffs are back!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39812700/nfl-owners-approve-massive-revamp-kickoff-play
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Kickoffs are back!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39812700/nfl-owners-approve-massive-revamp-kickoff-play
Big boost for Nixon.
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The Jags' banner offseason continues.
A fired Jacksonville Jaguars Jumbotron operator has been sentenced to 220 years in federal prison for multiple offenses involving sexual abuse of children, sex offender violations and causing malfunctions of the EverBank Stadium video boards, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/26/jacksonville-jaguars-jumbotron-operator-sentenced-for-child-sex-abuse/73108978007/
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The Jags' banner offseason continues.
A fired Jacksonville Jaguars Jumbotron operator has been sentenced to 220 years in federal prison for multiple offenses involving sexual abuse of children, sex offender violations and causing malfunctions of the EverBank Stadium video boards, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/26/jacksonville-jaguars-jumbotron-operator-sentenced-for-child-sex-abuse/73108978007/
After they move to London and no longer having to deal with the criminal element that runs rampant throughout Florida, they should avoid these stories
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The Jags' banner offseason continues.
A fired Jacksonville Jaguars Jumbotron operator has been sentenced to 220 years in federal prison for multiple offenses involving sexual abuse of children, sex offender violations and causing malfunctions of the EverBank Stadium video boards, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/26/jacksonville-jaguars-jumbotron-operator-sentenced-for-child-sex-abuse/73108978007/
I first became aware of this when I saw this tweet from the New York Times.
The New York Times
@nytimes
From @TheAthletic: An ex-Jaguars employee who hacked the stadium's jumbotron was sentenced to 220 years in prison.
I thought, "well that sounds harsh." Have to read the article that its because he had thousands of photos and videos on his computer.
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The Jags' banner offseason continues.
A fired Jacksonville Jaguars Jumbotron operator has been sentenced to 220 years in federal prison for multiple offenses involving sexual abuse of children, sex offender violations and causing malfunctions of the EverBank Stadium video boards, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/26/jacksonville-jaguars-jumbotron-operator-sentenced-for-child-sex-abuse/73108978007/
Was Diddy working for the Jaguars?
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Will Matt Gaetz be able to serve that sentence from DC?
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Carolina signing Jadeveon Clowney.
Not exactly a replacement for Brian Burns, but something.
Sixth team in seven years for Clowney.
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Carolina signing Jadeveon Clowney.
Not exactly a replacement for Brian Burns, but something.
Sixth team in seven years for Clowney.
Probably better than a box of rox.
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NFL auctioning off XMas Day games. Expecting $50 million per game
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-nfl-will-auction-2024-christmas-games
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NFL auctioning off XMas Day games. Expecting $50 million per game
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-nfl-will-auction-2024-christmas-games
The NBA should bid on them.
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The NBA should bid on them.
Put them on NBA TV so no one can watch them
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Put them on NBA TV so no one can watch them
Or the PAC 12 Network? ;D
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I’m not sure I’ve seen a trade where I immediately thought both teams came out as losers. That Diggs trade is poor for both teams.
I’m not sure why Houston is doing it, with a good, young WR core, and a deep draft at WR. Diggs hasn’t been good, he’s expensive, over 30, and a malcontent. If you’re going to take advantage of Stroud’s rookie contract, I’m not sure this is the spending I’d consider.
Buffalo’s going to eat $30M+ on a bad extension they gave to Diggs. They were clearly desperate to unload him. Having to throw in two draft picks plus eating that dead cap…yuck.
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I’m not sure I’ve seen a trade where I immediately thought both teams came out as losers. That Diggs trade is poor for both teams.
I’m not sure why Houston is doing it, with a good, young WR core, and a deep draft at WR. Diggs hasn’t been good, he’s expensive, over 30, and a malcontent. If you’re going to take advantage of Stroud’s rookie contract, I’m not sure this is the spending I’d consider.
Buffalo’s going to eat $30M+ on a bad extension they gave to Diggs. They were clearly desperate to unload him. Having to throw in two draft picks plus eating that dead cap…yuck.
I understand why Buffalo is doing it, even if they're a less talented team because of it. Sometimes you need to cut bait, especially when your franchise QB dislikes his #1 receiver.
I can understand it from Houston's perspective if I squint hard ... Diggs' malcontent side hid for a couple of years after he was shipped to Buffalo and it's a low cost for a legit #1 receiver for the next year or two, during the Stroud rookie deal window. But it's a move fraught with peril. They must really trust Demeco Ryans ability to keep him happy.
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I understand why Buffalo is doing it, even if they're a less talented team because of it. Sometimes you need to cut bait, especially when your franchise QB dislikes his #1 receiver.
I can understand it from Houston's perspective if I squint hard ... Diggs' malcontent side hid for a couple of years after he was shipped to Buffalo and it's a low cost for a legit #1 receiver for the next year or two, during the Stroud rookie deal window. But it's a move fraught with peril. They must really trust Demeco Ryans ability to keep him happy.
Excellent move for Houston. Win now.
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Excellent move for Houston. Win now.
When you’re in a division with London, you have two wins on the schedule
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I understand why Buffalo is doing it, even if they're a less talented team because of it. Sometimes you need to cut bait, especially when your franchise QB dislikes his #1 receiver.
I can understand it from Houston's perspective if I squint hard ... Diggs' malcontent side hid for a couple of years after he was shipped to Buffalo and it's a low cost for a legit #1 receiver for the next year or two, during the Stroud rookie deal window. But it's a move fraught with peril. They must really trust Demeco Ryans ability to keep him happy.
The Texans first choice here likely was Keenan Allen. This was Plan B. Still the Texans know what they are doing. Some fine general managering (invented verb, sorry) here. Note:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39875292/texans-wipe-final-three-seasons-stefon-diggs-deal
The rest of the Diggs deal is here. We shorten our term to one year with Diggs by upping cash this year only by a bit and wiping out three years-- avoids a long marriage to a malcontent hanging over us...we are simply one year engaged to a star WR who wants to show us he is still so gooood looking. We have insurance should UH alum WR Tank Dell come back slow from injury, and if Tank is ok then we have added an extra threat for just one year of some extra cash. Diggs should mucho like DeMeco, Stroud, and Texans culture. It aint Buffalo (my wife's side are from there- lol).
Diggs has just been edged to produce big time with free agency now looming, but for a team looking to maximize Stroud's rookie window and still have the $ when time arrives for Stroud's big $$, this is cool. That we came out pretty even on draft capital is great. Texans lack at DT and CB heading into draft, and although lacking a No 1, these are positions that are usually draft filled later down, where Texans have added extra picks.
After a very long Texan drought of good general managering (my new verb, again) it is nice to see Texans outthink league rivals here. Research Texans other offseason moves, and you will be impressed. In team history, this is their best accumulation of front office, coaching and players talent pointed toward playoffs and a poss SB run.
Do not sleep on the Texans.
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Diggs has just been edged to produce big time with free agency now looming, but for a team looking to maximize Stroud's rookie window and still have the $ when time arrives for Stroud's big $$, this is cool. That we came out pretty even on draft capital is great. Texans lack at DT and CB heading into draft, and although lacking a No 1, these are positions that are usually draft filled later down, where Texans have added extra picks.
Is the bolded true? A sixth and future fifth for a future second seems like a big difference off the cuff.
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Is the bolded true? A sixth and future fifth for a future second seems like a big difference off the cuff.
Hard to give exact values certain since we don't know where the 2025 picks will land, but let's assume both teams are decent this season. Per the Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:
Late second to Bills = 300 points
Pick 189 this year + mid-to-late 5th next year to Texans = 43 points.
So, yeah, not really even on draft capital.
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Hard to give exact values certain since we don't know where the 2025 picks will land, but let's assume both teams are decent this season. Per the Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:
Late second to Bills = 300 points
Pick 189 this year + mid-to-late 5th next year to Texans = 43 points.
So, yeah, not really even on draft capital.
Per the Mike Ditka draft pick value chart it is even. ;D
(I love MD, but he was not a good GM)
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Per the Mike Ditka draft pick value chart it is even. ;D
(I love MD, but he was not a good GM)
Ditka wasn't a great coach either.
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Ditka wasn't a great coach either.
Mini Ditka > Lombardi + Belichick
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Tom Brady is available…..
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/will-tom-brady-get-any-calls-about-a-comeback
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https://theclemsoninsider.com/2024/04/11/kay-adams-not-buying-lawrence-is-a-bust-talk/
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RIP former Colts GM Bill Tobin, the man responsible for one of the great moments in NFL Draft history.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWcotPyWj9m--nxl5bjJPtyo5IpvxIcjOo_MquCrujuA&s)
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/longtime-nfl-executive-bill-tobin-dies-at-83
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RIP former Colts GM Bill Tobin, the man responsible for one of the great moments in NFL Draft history.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWcotPyWj9m--nxl5bjJPtyo5IpvxIcjOo_MquCrujuA&s)
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/longtime-nfl-executive-bill-tobin-dies-at-83
Without a doubt, a seminal moment in the history of the NFL Draft and the NFL. The mid-90s is when the draft began to turn from a event for hardcore fans into the sports entertainment behemoth it is today.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-the-nfl-draft-is-so-unpredictable-2023-first-round-pick-sums-things-up-with-this-one-story/
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Bears to reveal designs for lakefront stadium Wednesday.
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Bears to reveal designs for lakefront stadium Wednesday.
I don't know how seriously I take this. Lots of speculation this is still a negotiating tactic with AH.
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Zach Wilson is a Bronco.
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Don't even have to make up new jerseys.
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Zach Wilson is a Bronco.
Time for Sean Payton to work his magic. ::)
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So just a give ‘em away like Justin.
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My hunch is telling me both Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. are both Bears by the end of Thursday night.
I’m not saying I love them paying the price to move up to 5 to draft Harrison, but I have a gut feeling that’s what will happen.
And yes, I said pick 5, because I believe QB’s are going 1-4.
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My hunch is telling me both Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. are both Bears by the end of Thursday night.
I’m not saying I love them paying the price to move up to 5 to draft Harrison, but I have a gut feeling that’s what will happen.
And yes, I said pick 5, because I believe QB’s are going 1-4.
I'm sure that will work out well.
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My hunch is telling me both Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. are both Bears by the end of Thursday night.
I’m not saying I love them paying the price to move up to 5 to draft Harrison, but I have a gut feeling that’s what will happen.
And yes, I said pick 5, because I believe QB’s are going 1-4.
1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Maye
4. MHJ
5. McCarthy to the Vikes
IMHO, Bears are more likely to trade down than trade up. Do they want to give up two firsts for MHJ when they possibly can stand pat and get Odunze, who many have graded about the same? A 2025 second probably isn't enough to entice the Cards or Chargers, especially when others (like the Vikings) will be offering two firsts.
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1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Maye
4. MHJ
5. McCarthy to the Vikes
IMHO, Bears are more likely to trade down than trade up. Do they want to give up two firsts for MHJ when they possibly can stand pat and get Odunze, who many have graded about the same? A 2025 second probably isn't enough to entice the Cards or Chargers, especially when others (like the Vikings) will be offering two firsts.
Just my hunch on MHJ. I’d rather they stand pat if Odunze is there.
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1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Maye
4. MHJ
5. McCarthy to the Vikes
IMHO, Bears are more likely to trade down than trade up. Do they want to give up two firsts for MHJ when they possibly can stand pat and get Odunze, who many have graded about the same? A 2025 second probably isn't enough to entice the Cards or Chargers, especially when others (like the Vikings) will be offering two firsts.
I agree with you. With only four total picks, I see them moving down for more picks. And, I can't believe I'm writing this, the Bears seem good at WR.
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I agree with you. With only four total picks, I see them moving down for more picks. And, I can't believe I'm writing this, the Bears seem good at WR.
They are most definitely not good at WR. They have zero depth, and Allen’s deal is up after 2024.
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They are most definitely not good at WR. They have zero depth, and Allen’s deal is up after 2024.
Good point. I should have stated that I think they should draft a WR later. I think moving up to draft a WR seems a bit much with two good starters in place for next year.
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I agree with you. With only four total picks, I see them moving down for more picks. And, I can't believe I'm writing this, the Bears seem good at WR.
IMO, the 3 top WRs will be gone by #9. If so, I expect the Bears to trade down.
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Damn Ryan Poles "We know what we're going to do, but everyone is going to have to wait until Thursday to go there.", he is playing his cards so close to his vest. I wish we had a clue as to who the Bears will pick #1. ;D
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Damn Ryan Poles "We know what we're going to do, but everyone is going to have to wait until Thursday to go there.", he is playing his cards so close to his vest. I wish we had a clue as to who the Bears will pick #1. ;D
You mean the quarterback equivalent to Prince?
https://x.com/pablofindsout/status/1782786329677287906
NFL GMs are insanely strange.
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You mean the quarterback equivalent to Prince?
https://x.com/pablofindsout/status/1782786329677287906
NFL GMs are insanely strange.
So you think the Bears will go with a QB and not address the special teams? ;)
That was a weird quote about Williams. "..he scares the s*** out of a lot of NFL teams too.". I'm trying to grasp any NFL team or FO that would be "scared to s***" about any player. If your NFL team is "scared to s***" about an potential draft choice, you got waaaaay bigger issues to be addressed, by a therapist ideally.
Anybody think the Packers or Jerry Jones or the Giants or Robert Craft a scared to s*** by anyone?
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So, is Caleb also only 5’2”?
And never played football?
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So, is Caleb also only 5’2”?
And never played football?
He'll probably force a trade to the Vikings. Colors and location matter.
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Is Prince bad? Scary?
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Over/under for Friends of the Park to release a statement/file a lawsuit against the Bears is 2:30 pm tomorrow.
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https://x.com/royalpratt/status/1782931428411367671?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That is really a dumb idea. Why would Chicago even touch that price tag?
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https://x.com/royalpratt/status/1782931428411367671?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That is really a dumb idea. Why would Chicago even touch that price tag?
Kevin Warren's ego may be bigger than any of us imagined.
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https://x.com/royalpratt/status/1782931428411367671?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That is really a dumb idea. Why would Chicago even touch that price tag?
Friends of the Park will thankfully take care of this stupid idea.
Not one dime should come from Illinois taxpayers. I can’t wait to hear their plan tomorrow.
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Kevin Warren's ego may be bigger than any of us imagined.
Courtney Cronin, who is usually a solid reporter, wrote a puff piece (another one!) on Warren yesterday.
It’s really something else.
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I mean, what exactly are the Bears even doing here? This entire stadium escapade has been one misstep after another. Almost like the McCaskeys are TRYING to prove how dysfunctional their ownership has become.
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Courtney Cronin, who is usually a solid reporter, wrote a puff piece (another one!) on Warren yesterday.
It’s really something else.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39974445/nfl-draft-bears-president-kevin-warren-caleb-williams
"It was early March, and Chicago Bears general manager Ryan Poles was having dinner with team president Kevin Warren. It was one of several dinners they would share during a critical two-week span, and among the main topics of conversation was what to do about quarterback Justin Fields.
The Bears have the No. 1 pick in the draft on Thursday and they're expected to take USC quarterback Caleb Williams. That meant Fields was going to be traded.
"I could tell it was one of those situations in which I needed to be close to him, and he needed to be close to me, just to be able to talk through this issue," Warren said of Poles."
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I mean, what exactly are the Bears even doing here? This entire stadium escapade has been one misstep after another. Almost like the McCaskeys are TRYING to prove how dysfunctional their ownership has become.
This is what happens when a pro franchise goes from being a business and morphs into a family heirloom.
The family needs to keep the team for the legacy especially as the matriarch is still alive, but the younger generation has little interest or knowledge in actually running it. So instead, you hire a opportunist eager to fill the power vacuum.
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Kevin Warren's ego may be bigger than any of us imagined.
$4.6B?? WTF? Jerry's World was only like $1B. SoFi was like $5B but I think that included the land.
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$4.6B?? WTF? Jerry's World was only like $1B. SoFi was like $5B but I think that included the land.
AT&T stadium was built 15 years ago. Not a great comp anymore
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AT&T stadium was built 15 years ago. Not a great comp anymore
I didn't realized its been 15 years already. Time flies.
Still maybe not apples to apples, but inflations in about 40%-45% in the past 15 years. Could fairly say its twice as much as AT&T in todays dollars?
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AT&T stadium was built 15 years ago. Not a great comp anymore
Allegiant Stadium was $1.9 billion.
Mercedes-Benz was $1.6 billion.
Buffalo's is projected at $1.7 billion.
Cost isn't really thr issue. Bears can spend whatever they want. But expecting $2.3 billion from the public is quite the ask. Vegas got $750 million in public money, which was the record high at the time. Buffalo is getting $850 million. Asking for nearly triple that is ... bold?
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Allegiant Stadium was $1.9 billion.
Mercedes-Benz was $1.6 billion.
These are better comps.
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I’m irrationally excited to see how they try to pull this off tomorrow.
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These are better comps.
So adjusting for inflation and market, easily 2x as much as other NFL stadiums. Also, SoFi also includes a music venue, not just a stadium and they had to sink about 100' due to LAX.
Maybe the McCaskey's and Halas' get $1B in "management fees"? ;)
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I’m irrationally excited to see how they try to pull this off tomorrow.
Me too.
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Just the Bears doing Bearsy things.
And to Sultan’s point about Warren’s ego - just wow.
As a Packer fan, I expect the usual from the Bears.
As a side note, does any city in America have a worse set of professional sports team owners?
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Couldn't they have basked in the joy of getting Caleb Williams for one day before announcing to the world they're going to get relegated to Schaumburg?
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So adjusting for inflation and market, easily 2x as much as other NFL stadiums. Also, SoFi also includes a music venue, not just a stadium and they had to sink about 100' due to LAX.
Maybe the McCaskey's and Halas' get $1B in "management fees"? ;)
To be fair, the stadium listed price tag was $3.2B, the additional money is for infrastructure improvements. So not necessarily 2X, but still pricey.
And lets be honest, its not the McCaskeys pocketing extra cash, its the Chicago Machine.
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To be fair, the stadium listed price tag was $3.2B, the additional money is for infrastructure improvements. So not necessarily 2X, but still pricey.
And lets be honest, its not the McCaskeys pocketing extra cash, its the Chicago Machine.
Not sure about the other stadiums discussed, but SoFi's cost included infrastructure also. I'd assume the others have infrastructure included but not certain about that.
I'm okay if the Daley family gets a little piece, it would make it feel 'right' in Chicago. :D
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This presser has started out hitting every Kevin Warren point imaginable.
I don’t want this to get political, but Brandon Johnson & Warren we’re made to be BFF’s.
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Warren started the presser off with a prayer asking for wins and a stadium.
Can’t make this stuff up.
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2021 QB class has not fared well
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/22/zach-wilson-trade-looking-back-on-jaguars-trevor-lawrences-qb-class/
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Warren started the presser off with a prayer asking for wins and a stadium.
Can’t make this stuff up.
I'm not sure God could salvage the Bears at this point.
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I'm not sure God could salvage the Bears at this point.
I think God especially hates men who wear pink fingernail polish.
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This presser has started out hitting every Kevin Warren point imaginable.
I don’t want this to get political, but Brandon Johnson & Warren we’re made to be BFF’s.
https://x.com/BenBradleyTV/status/1783164958319968265
Lol
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Just move them to Gary and get it over with
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https://x.com/brendenmoore13/status/1783198389699477681
I lived through the years of efforts trying to get Miller Park built so I know ham-handed stadium efforts when I see them, but this is a completely different level of tone-deafness. I don't think I've seen anyone come out to support this and thinks this has any chance of success.
Honestly the school districts that the Bears tried to strong-arm have to be laughing their asses off right now.
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https://x.com/BenBradleyTV/status/1783164958319968265
Lol
Senate President Don Harmon:
“At first glance, more than $2 billion in private funding is better than zero and a more credible opening offer. But there’s an obvious, substantial gap remaining, and I echo the governor’s skepticism.”
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I watched the entire presser, there’s 0.1% chance that shovels get put into the ground for this plan.
Not getting Pritzker’s support for this ahead of time is a major mistake. I’m not saying JB would have been fully on board with it, but he’s definitely not going to let the city/Bears hamper his presidential aspirations in ‘28.
Trying to ram this through before the spring legislative session is over is a eff you to a lot of politicians (and IL taxpayers).
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If you had DeShaun Watson as the NFL player most likely the send out a gross (and obviously paid for) tweet extolling the virtues of Saudi Arabia, come collect your prize.
https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1782890132992839691
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How’s his golf game? LIV’s looking for more big names.
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If you had DeShaun Watson as the NFL player most likely the send out a gross (and obviously paid for) tweet extolling the virtues of Saudi Arabia, come collect your prize.
https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1782890132992839691
Wonder how much he got paid?
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The only NFL player I ever rooted for to get hurt.
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Dont understand all the Mock Drafts with Drake Maye as a high first round pick. Seems like an erratic player from all the games I have watched him play.
His NFL Draft and Combine Profile classifies him as Boom or Bust. I think that is accurate. So seems like he would be better with a lower first round or second round pick
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/drake-maye/32004d41-5928-9639-2999-10019fb4c292
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If you had DeShaun Watson as the NFL player most likely the send out a gross (and obviously paid for) tweet extolling the virtues of Saudi Arabia, come collect your prize.
https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1782890132992839691
That was hilariously written. It read like a grade schooler writing a report on his Spring Break trip to Florida. "I loved going to the beach, and Disney World, and the Rainforest Cafe!" Ticking off a laundry list of Saudi Pro League clubs was a laughably blatant touch.
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Dont understand all the Mock Drafts with Drake Maye as a high first round pick. Seems like an erratic player from all the games I have watched him play.
His NFL Draft and Combine Profile classifies him as Boom or Bust. I think that is accurate. So seems like he would be better with a lower first round or second round pick
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/drake-maye/32004d41-5928-9639-2999-10019fb4c292
Excellent evaluation. He's going top 3.
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Detroit needs:
DB
DL
OL
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I would be stunned if Homes isn't trading up and down.
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Excellent evaluation. He's going top 3.
I had my doubts about Maye, now I believe he’ll be a star in the NFL after seeing Herm’s post.
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Questionable pick by Falcons
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Great Pick for Eagles
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Wow Jags get a quality Size WR
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Damn Lions snuck in with a great CB pick ahead of Pack
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Rich get richer. KC gets 4.21 burner at WR. Wow. 41 inch vert.
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Solid 5th Round Pick with upside for Bears
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-booker/3200424f-4f00-5373-700b-a9f16bc56e46
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ESPN Draft Grades
NFC North
Packers B
Bears B
Lions B
Vikings C+
Other Notables
Chiefs B+
Eagles A
Cardinals A
Panthers B-
Jags B-
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Pretty surprised by that B- for the Panthers.
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Pretty surprised by that B- for the Panthers.
Pleasantly, or disappointingly?
I think they did OK, other than a possibly pointless move up to get Legette.
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Tennessee 1st round #7-
jc latham-oak creek- attended Catholic memorial under legendary coach bill young for 2 years, transferred to IMG then Alabama for 2 years
6'6" 360
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Pleasantly, or disappointingly?
I think they did OK, other than a possibly pointless move up to get Legette.
Ha - I’m just surprised when they do anything that merits credit from anybody. Practically , it’s impossible to know how good any of their draft picks are, really. But I suppose fans of other teams can say similar.
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Evan Silva not impressed with Carolina’s draft:
Overview: The Panthers were missing 2024’s first-rounder following 2023’s so-far-failed trade up for Bryce Young. Carolina’s day-one jump for Legette seemed unnecessary for an overaged, fifth-year college breakout, while second-round running back Brooks is coming off a November 11 torn ACL at a non-premium position. Last March, the Panthers gave Miles Sanders a four-year, $25.4 million deal with $13 million guaranteed. Wallace and Barrett are undersized off-ball linebackers who may max out on special teams. Sanders can be a vertical pass-game threat but doesn’t block or run after the catch. The Panthers do get some credit for acquiring Diontae Johnson in a pre-draft trade at a very low cost. There’s still little to like about this draft haul, and Carolina continues to pay the tax on last year’s painful trade-up blunder.
Grade: F
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Evan Silva not impressed with Carolina’s draft:
Overview: The Panthers were missing 2024’s first-rounder following 2023’s so-far-failed trade up for Bryce Young. Carolina’s day-one jump for Legette seemed unnecessary for an overaged, fifth-year college breakout, while second-round running back Brooks is coming off a November 11 torn ACL at a non-premium position. Last March, the Panthers gave Miles Sanders a four-year, $25.4 million deal with $13 million guaranteed. Wallace and Barrett are undersized off-ball linebackers who may max out on special teams. Sanders can be a vertical pass-game threat but doesn’t block or run after the catch. The Panthers do get some credit for acquiring Diontae Johnson in a pre-draft trade at a very low cost. There’s still little to like about this draft haul, and Carolina continues to pay the tax on last year’s painful trade-up blunder.
Grade: F
Yeah, that's more like what I was expecting. From what I know about all the players the Panthers have drafted, I'm most looking forward to seeing what the TE, Ja'Tavion Sanders, can become. His film looks quite impressive. But otherwise, I don't have very high expectations, which has been the norm for 5 years now.
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Yeah, that's more like what I was expecting. From what I know about all the players the Panthers have drafted, I'm most looking forward to seeing what the TE, Ja'Tavion Sanders, can become. His film looks quite impressive. But otherwise, I don't have very high expectations, which has been the norm for 5 years now.
It's Evan Silva. I wouldn't sweat it. He's not good at this.
Case in point, he he gave the Bears an 'A' for the Fields draft, the Jets a 'B+' for the Zach Wilson draft, but the Lions a D+ for the Sewell/St. Brown draft and the Chiefs a C for Nick Bolton/Creed Humphrey/Trey Smith.
In 2020, he gave the Bears a 'C-' for Cole Kmet, Jaylon Johnson and Darnell Mooney and the Bengals a 'C+' for Burrow/Higgins/Logan Wilson but the Broncos an 'A' for Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler and the Jets a 'B+' for Mehki Becton and Denzel Mims.
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To be fair, Sewell was a reach at 7 with QBs on the board since Goff is just a placeholder QB, and St. Brown is undersized and lacking elite speed. Not worth a 4th round pick.
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To be fair, Sewell was a reach at 7 with QBs on the board since Goff is just a placeholder QB, and St. Brown is undersized and lacking elite speed. Not worth a 4th round pick.
In the event you're not pulling an Uncle Rico ... I wouldn't say Sewell was a reach.
He was #3 on The Athletic's Big Board.
https://theathletic.com/2530534/2021/04/29/2021-nfl-draft-consensus-big-board-70-lists-one-ranking-of-the-top-300-prospects/
11th on Daniel Jeremiah's board.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2021-nfl-draft-class
4th on PFF's board.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-final-2021-nfl-draft-board-big-board-draft-rankings
6th on Kiper's board.
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2021-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-jr-releases-final-big-board-player-rankings-trevor-lawrence-kyle-pitts-jaylen-waddle--164757859/#1637949
5th on McShay's board
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2941428-todd-mcshay-2021-nfl-draft-big-board-trevor-lawrence-pitts-top-final-rankings
4th on Bleacher Report's board
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2932010-br-nfl-scouting-dept-final-2021-nfl-draft-big-board
As for St. Brown, he was picked #112th.
Pre-draft, he was ranked 70th by BR, 112th by Jeremiah and 87th by PFF and 69th (nice) by The Athletic. So, mostly graded as a third-round value.
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Found it kind of wild that the later rounds featured a DB from the CFL who didn’t play in or attend college as well a lineman from the UK/NFL Pathway Program who not only has never played an organized football game…but didn’t play rugby at even a moderately high level (which has not all been the case for any rugby to NFL convert attempts). Training camps and the NFL itself are full of random long shots and freak athletes from outside of the traditional FBS path, but it’s rare to see them drafted IMO.
I personally think Stiggers, the CFL DB, could be a steal for the Jets. He was a stud in Canada, won ROY, and is still very young but already knows what it’s like to be a pro
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A little Rico, remembering the discussion at the time. Holmes and Campbell did not get the benefit of the doubt.
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Found it kind of wild that the later rounds featured a DB from the CFL who didn’t play in or attend college as well a lineman from the UK/NFL Pathway Program who not only has never played an organized football game…but didn’t play rugby at even a moderately high level (which has not all been the case for any rugby to NFL convert attempts). Training camps and the NFL itself are full of random long shots and freak athletes from outside of the traditional FBS path, but it’s rare to see them drafted IMO.
I personally think Stiggers, the CFL DB, could be a steal for the Jets. He was a stud in Canada, won ROY, and is still very young but already knows what it’s like to be a pro
NIL.
These guys would be FAs in any other year.
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It's Evan Silva. I wouldn't sweat it. He's not good at this.
Case in point, he he gave the Bears an 'A' for the Fields draft, the Jets a 'B+' for the Zach Wilson draft, but the Lions a D+ for the Sewell/St. Brown draft and the Chiefs a C for Nick Bolton/Creed Humphrey/Trey Smith.
In 2020, he gave the Bears a 'C-' for Cole Kmet, Jaylon Johnson and Darnell Mooney and the Bengals a 'C+' for Burrow/Higgins/Logan Wilson but the Broncos an 'A' for Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler and the Jets a 'B+' for Mehki Becton and Denzel Mims.
I'm not sweating it at all. I have low expectations. The last time I saw it, the over/under on wins for the Panthers next season was 4.5, and I'll be quite pleasantly surprised if they cover the over.
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everything I read has the Bears winning the draft and free agency, they will win the next 10 super bowls and never lose to the packers again....
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Everybody in the NFC North is going to the Super Bowl.
OK, it was a good draft for all 4 teams and it should be a grind.