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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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Quote from: Jockey on November 29, 2023, 12:35:17 PM

To be blunt - Teper is a worse owner than the McCaskey's have been.

Ok let's not be mean to Tepper

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on November 29, 2023, 12:35:17 PM
$$$$$

As the #1 analyst, he is said to make around $10 million a year. If Brady goes to the booth next year as everyone suspects, he will be the #1 guy. Olsen would drop down to around $5 mil as the #2 guy.

He will be set for life for a year or two of work. Tepper will sign him to a long term contract and fire him after a year or two.

To be blunt - Teper is a worse owner than the McCaskey's have been.

Yeah, I don't think Greg Olsen will be the next Panthers coach. Though stranger things have happened, I guess.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2023, 05:45:54 PM
Yeah, I don't think Greg Olsen will be the next Panthers coach. Though stranger things have happened, I guess.

If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2023, 05:50:28 PM
If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard

Damn! Throw in Marcedes, and you got yourself a deal!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Jockey

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2023, 05:50:28 PM
If they hire Nathaniel Hackett, they could trade Young for Rodgers, Cobb and Lazard

And ARod could convince James Jones to come back.

wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on November 29, 2023, 07:28:03 PM
And ARod could convince James Jones to come back.

Maybe take Bakh off the Packers' hands.

JWags85

This is a REALLY good and reasonable tweet/analysis

https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1729982394277511545?s=46

He may be a bit higher in Fields than some people here but I think he's fair and not Bear goggled.

I think the consideration of restarting the rookie QB salary clock is the most compelling piece.  If you truly think the Bears are going in the right direction roster wise, and don't have to blow up EVERYTHING, which I don't completely disagree with, then it's probably the right call.

It's hard, cause I'd LOVE the Bears to have a stud WR1/2 setup with Moore and one of the talented rookies.  Maybe trade down from the 5th pick and grab a 2nd so they can get a lineman and a WR like Nabers/Coleman/Odunze

jesmu84

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/UL5WA5yfH0

The image here is evidence, for me, of why these WR are overrated and our OC is terrible

Pakuni

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 30, 2023, 12:49:52 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/UL5WA5yfH0

The image here is evidence, for me, of why these WR are overrated and our OC is terrible

Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?


jesmu84

Quote from: Pakuni on November 30, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?

Because it's a conspiracy against JF1

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on November 30, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
Why are the same receivers with the same OC getting open at a significantly higher rate for Bagent than Fields?
Same with Jimmy G and Aidan O'Connell?
And are we supposed to believe that the Giants' receiving corps is way better at getting open than the Chargers'?

Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?

The reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle, I think, is because they have NFL-caliber receivers in college and are mostly just throwing to wide open guys. They never learn how to 'throw the receiver open'. They don't need to read a defense. They are never rarely going to see guys as open as they did in college.

We saw a couple times Monday when he completed longer passes - to Kmet and on the winning drive to Moore - that they were wide open. Just pitch and catch. Every NFL QB can do that most of the time.

Pakuni

Quote from: Jockey on November 30, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?

If you read the chart Jesmu linked to, one of the things it purports to measure is receiver separation. And, according to the chart, Bears receivers are getting more separation when Bagent plays than Fields.
I suspect that's not true. Just as I suspect that the Giants receiving corps isn't far better at getting open than the Chargers, despite the chart asserting that.
I think the chart is suspect.

QuoteThe reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle,

I'm not sure I'd say Jalen Hurts, Tua and CJ Stroud are struggling.



Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on November 30, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
Do we know that they are getting more open for Bagent? Or is he better at reading the defense and knowing where and wHEN to throw?

The reason OSU and Alabama QBs struggle, I think, is because they have NFL-caliber receivers in college and are mostly just throwing to wide open guys. They never learn how to 'throw the receiver open'. They don't need to read a defense. They are never rarely going to see guys as open as they did in college.

We saw a couple times Monday when he completed longer passes - to Kmet and on the winning drive to Moore - that they were wide open. Just pitch and catch. Every NFL QB can do that most of the time.

I'll say this, Ohio State QBs do not get tested in the Big Ten of the last decade.  Even the Michigan teams of the last few years let Stroud deal but avoided giving up the quick strikes.

I think Bama QBs get tested a lot more.  Bama QBs pre-Hurts and Tua were game managers, good college QBs but hardly dynamic.  Saban realized the game had changed so dramatically, he needed to change his philosophy at QB.  SEC defense are vastly superior to Big Ten defenses because of the combination of speed and size.  They may not always be coached well, but the playmaking is there on those defenses. 

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Pakuni

Interesting decision by Seattle not to block Micah Parsons on that final play.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

wadesworld


CreightonWarrior


GB Warrior

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 02, 2023, 01:19:17 PM
Jets release Adrian Amos

Was a really good player with marginal athleticism. The athletic decline came quick.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

tower912

It appears that Detroit is a wee bit pi$$Ed this week.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Randall Cobb was a healthy scratch again
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

DegenerateDish

Quote from: tower912 on December 03, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
It appears that Detroit is a wee bit pi$$Ed this week.

Probably should have been pissed for 60 minutes instead of the first 15.

tower912

This game could end up being the perfect metaphor for the Lions.    Come out hot, create excitement, revert to being the Lions.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Can't wait to see what Nathaniel Hackett draws up for the Jets in the 4th quarter against Atlanta
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.