2024-25 NFL Thread

[DegenerateDish]

That was a hell of a game.

[Jockey]

Fumblin' and bumblin'.

[Lennys Tap]

That was a hell of a game.

As in bad, yeah. Going to be some housecleaning in Buffalo.

[Pakuni]

That was a hell of a game.

Emphasis on the hell part.

The Bills have the same record as one team starting Gardner Minshew and another team that fired its coach two weeks ago and is starting a rookie 4th round pick.

[DegenerateDish]

Emphasis on the hell part.

The Bills have the same record as one team starting Gardner Minshew and another team that fired its coach two weeks ago and is starting a rookie 4th round pick.

Yup on the emphasis.

I wonder if Buffalo would try to come up with some trade compensation to bring back Daboll. There's no way (barring a miraculous run) McDermott is back.

[DegenerateDish]

Interesting timing...

https://twitter.com/trevondiggs/status/1724285469855260693?s=46&t=NRU9E-3gW4byqA-amu6Xmw

[MU82]

That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.

There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.

This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.

(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)

(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)

[jficke13]

That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.

There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.

This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.

(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)

(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)

Call me crazy but I feel like anytime an NFL line his double digits it's Vegas saying THIS IS A HUGE LINE.

[MU82]

Probably time for a coaching change in Buffalo. This probably isn't even McDermott's "fault," but ...

[JWags85]

Probably time for a coaching change in Buffalo. This probably isn't even McDermott's "fault," but ...

I wouldn't be so sure.  McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo.  His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender.  Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.

But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year.  Its not just Daboll leaving.  He was gone last year and they still went 13-3.  Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference.  They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement.  That is seemingly gone.  Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously.  And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year.  He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I wouldn't be so sure.  McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo.  His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender.  Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.

But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year.  Its not just Daboll leaving.  He was gone last year and they still went 13-3.  Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference.  They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement.  That is seemingly gone.  Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously.  And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year.  He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.

Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.

[cheebs09]

Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.

Good call.

[JWags85]

Good call.

Prescient!

And thus begins Joe Brady's last chance to prove he wasn't a fluke. Terrible in Carolina, has been the QB coach as Allen floundered, now will call the plays for a team/offense in disarray.  Sheesh

To be fair, I'm speaking to the NFL.  If he stinks again, he'll get a QB coach or OC gig for a mid level P5 school in no time

[Jockey]

Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.

They certainly won't get rid of the Human Turnover Machine.

[MU82]

I wouldn't be so sure.  McDermott deserves a ton of credit for what he's done in Buffalo.  His predecessors were thoroughly mediocre and he's turned Buffalo into a contender.  Josh Allen helps, of course, but he wasn't some magic bullet, he needed to be molded and groomed.

But that said, he deserves the full fault and criticism for whatever the hell is going on this year.  Its not just Daboll leaving.  He was gone last year and they still went 13-3.  Anyone who watched the Bills the last few years as opposed to this year can see the difference.  They had a gunslinger swagger and confidence and excitement.  That is seemingly gone.  Ive commented in this thread before that they've played scared and been cautious in some of their coin flip decision making, which is not a hallmark of the McDermott Bills previously.  And Josh Allen has regressed hard this year.  He's always gonna be an up and down guy, like Favre, but there looks to be some consistent flaws game to game.

They seem disjointed, they make an incredible number of sloppy/stoopid mistakes, have poor attention to detail ... and they just don't play winning football. And Allen ... yikes.

I'm just saying that sometimes there is a statute of limitations on when a certain coach's voice stops being heard. Phil Jackson used to talk about that - even for excellent coaches, it can happen. Has McDermott reached that point? Not sure. And they certainly have had a ton of defensive injuries.

Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.

[JWags85]

They seem disjointed, they make an incredible number of sloppy/stoopid mistakes, have poor attention to detail ... and they just don't play winning football. And Allen ... yikes.

I'm just saying that sometimes there is a statute of limitations on when a certain coach's voice stops being heard. Phil Jackson used to talk about that - even for excellent coaches, it can happen. Has McDermott reached that point? Not sure. And they certainly have had a ton of defensive injuries.

Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.

Oh I completely agree.  I was saying I think its primarily McDermott's fault.  They don't "look like the Bills" of the last few years, and thats coaching, IMO.  Moreso than injuries.  The OC situation has been bad, but thats also on the HC to an extent.

They certainly won't get rid of the Human Turnover Machine.

Are you gonna go cranky sports hate on Allen too?

His TD/INT the last 3 years...

37/10
36/15
35/14 

Does he need a good OC to help reign him in and curb a need to play hero ball?  Sure.  But in a league that is SEVERELY lacking in quality QB depth, he's one of the last people that should be getting side eye in Buffalo.

[Pakuni]

Maybe Sultan is right and they'll just do an OC change ... but the OC wasn't responsible for 12 guys being on the field at the end of the last game.

Or a defensive play call with 35 second remaining that left a receiver running free behind the secondary. The Bills stacked eight defenders at the LOS on that play - a 3rd and 10, no less - leaving single coverage on all three receivers without even a single deep safety. An absolutely insane time to call Cover 0.
What could go wrong?

[MU82]

Or a defensive play call with 35 second remaining that left a receiver running free behind the secondary. The Bills stacked eight defenders at the LOS on that play - a 3rd and 10, no less - leaving single coverage on all three receivers without even a single deep safety. An absolutely insane time to call Cover 0.
What could go wrong?

Yeah, that too.

McDermott's been there for 7 years. He's had a lot of regular-season success, especially the last few years. He's had a lot of talent to work with, including a Pro Bowl QB. He's won three straight division titles. He's also 4-5 in the playoffs, with only one trip to the conference title game, and zero Super Bowl appearances.

He certainly has a good enough body of work for the owner to think that this year has been something of an outlier (at least as far as the regular season goes) and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But changing course in a situation like this certainly wouldn't be unprecedented, either.

Way too much talent in Buffalo all these years to have had so little postseason success IMHO. And this season has been a total train wreck.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, that too.

McDermott's been there for 7 years. He's had a lot of regular-season success, especially the last few years. He's had a lot of talent to work with, including a Pro Bowl QB. He's won three straight division titles. He's also 4-5 in the playoffs, with only one trip to the conference title game, and zero Super Bowl appearances.

He certainly has a good enough body of work for the owner to think that this year has been something of an outlier (at least as far as the regular season goes) and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But changing course in a situation like this certainly wouldn't be unprecedented, either.

Way too much talent in Buffalo all these years to have had so little postseason success IMHO. And this season has been a total train wreck.

They're in need of a reset. 

[wadesworld]

I'd trade Love and MLF for Allen and McDermott.  Maybe the Bills would be willing to throw in some weapons or OL help to sweeten the deal, too.

[Uncle Rico]

I'd trade Love and MLF for Allen and McDermott.  Maybe the Bills would be willing to throw in some weapons or OL help to sweeten the deal, too.

Bills OL sucks. 

[4everwarriors]

Eye'd peddle #10 and MLF fore a couple used Bikes, hey?

[Jockey]

Are you gonna go cranky sports hate on Allen too?

His TD/INT the last 3 years...

37/10
36/15
35/14 

Does he need a good OC to help reign him in and curb a need to play hero ball?  Sure.  But in a league that is SEVERELY lacking in quality QB depth, he's one of the last people that should be getting side eye in Buffalo.

It was just a sarcastic comment. No different than if I said that Allen makes Farve look like a game manager.

[Herman Cain]

That the Cowboys are only 10-point favorites over the Panthers is stunning.

There will be more Cowboys fans in the downtown Charlotte stadium on Sunday than there will be Panthers fans.

This could be a 45-6 game, and the Panthers won't have the 45.

(Disclaimer: I am not a betting expert and, in fact, haven't bet on a sporting event in years.)

(Disclaimer II ... though I'm thinking about betting on this one)

An interesting phenomenon we are seeing in The NFL is the stadiums at road games ,for Popular teams ,tend to be half filled or more with road teams fans.

For example,  I went to the Packers Raiders game a few weeks ago and when the Packers gained 4 yards on a rushing play the whole place erupted .

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

An interesting phenomenon we are seeing in The NFL is the stadiums at road games ,for Popular teams ,tend to be half filled or. More with road teams fans.

For example,  I went to the Packers Raiders game a few weeks ago and when the Packers gained 4 yards on a rushing play the whole place erupted .

Yes, this is a new thing that just started this year. I was taken aback when I noticed as well.