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Pakuni

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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 20, 2024, 11:08:00 AM
Why? If you're going to miss a two point conversion, you should miss it early.

Kicking the XP there makes it a one possession game. Putting your team in position where they need one score vs two is huge.
And with all their timeouts, you're not putting your team in a position where they have to score on their next drive and find yourself going for it on 4th and 22 deep in your own territory.
What's the benefit to missing it early?

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on October 20, 2024, 11:13:05 AM
Kicking the XP there makes it a one possession game. Putting your team in position where they need one score vs two is huge.
What's the benefit to missing it early?

You have more time to fit in the possessions. Regardless I don't think it matters really. You have to make it so it really doesn't matter if it's on the first or second TD.
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Pakuni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 20, 2024, 11:17:22 AM
You have more time to fit in the possessions. Regardless I don't think it matters really. You have to make it so it really doesn't matter if it's on the first or second TD.

But then you make any future possessions must-score, which had the Pats going for it on 4th and 22. Had they kicked the XP, they could have punted and used their time outs (plus the two-minute warning) to try to get another possession to tie.

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on October 20, 2024, 11:20:04 AM
But then you make any future possessions must-score, which had the Pats going for it on 4th and 22. Had they kicked the XP, they could have punted and used their time outs (plus the two-minute warning) to try to get another possession to tie.

Again you have to make the two point conversion either way.
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Pakuni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 20, 2024, 11:21:41 AM
Again you have to make the two point conversion either way.

I understand.
I just think you'd much rather be in a one-possession game with 8 minutes to play than a two-possession game. Keeps your team in the game and gives you options if your next drive doesn't go well.

WhiteTrash

I can't wait for Stroud to give Love advice on being an NFL QB after this game.

MU82

Not sure why coaches so often decide against using a first-half time-out to slow the opponent's pace and momentum.

Example: Falcons are going super-quick, no-huddle, and are running the ball effectively vs Seahawks. It's 3rd-and-3 from the 5 and Atlanta quickly gets set. Seattle's D is running around cluelessly, they're exhausted, and they never get set, and Robinson easily goes in for the TD.

Why not call TO there so your guys can catch their breath and get ready for an important play? Maybe you actually stop the Falcons and hold them to a FG.
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Dish

Watson likely torn Achilles.

jesmu84


Dish

Anthony Richardson is bad, he can't be a starting QB in the NFL.

MU82

This just in: Bijan Robinson is good.
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MU82

I know Kirk Cousins has been a statistically outstanding QB for years. But as I watch him today against Seattle, I see why, despite his obvious talent, he's never won a damn thing in his career.

Nothing except huge contracts, that is.
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MU82

I LOVE the Lions bringing an extra pass-rusher on the Hail Mary play - Darnold had no chance to even throw a pass.

Every team should do it every time (instead of only rushing 2 or 3 guys).

Great win for the Lions.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dish

Concerns about Jayden Daniels physical frame have come to life.

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

If this deprives us of Daniels vs Williams I'm gonna be pissed
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tower912

Ayuk will have enough Benjamin's to get through knee surgery and rehab.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

tower912

Lack of pressure on Darnold= defensive end acquisition.

They tried it internally for a week.  Time to go shopping.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on October 20, 2024, 07:08:08 PM
Lack of pressure on Darnold= defensive end acquisition.

They tried it internally for a week.  Time to go shopping.

Nice win, though. 
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The Sultan

So Browns' fans cheered when Watson went out injured, only to have his teammates trot out words like "model citizen" in his defense. Every time you think it can't get worse...
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Why does Cris Collinsworth talk about Russell Wilson like it's 2018 or something?
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Pakuni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 20, 2024, 08:01:34 PM
Why does Cris Collinsworth talk about Russell Wilson like it's 2018 or something?

Fluffing quarterbacks is kind of his thing.

MU82

Wilson wasn't particularly good last night, but you could still see the difference between what he brings (when healthy) to what Fields brings. Wilson sees the game better, and the trajectory of his passes gives his receivers chances to make plays or draw INT penalties.

Mike Tomlin isn't stoopid. He didn't bench Fields for Wilson just for funsies.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MUBurrow

Agreed.  Its weird to say that the ceiling for 35 year old Russ is more of a question mark than 25 year old Fields, but for 2024 I think that's the case.  And its too bad - its not like Russ's most productive throws were anything special, he just put air underneath the ball and let Pickens go get them.  But the way that Fields darts everything, Tomlin felt he had to forbid those 50/50 balls when Fields was starting and it really lowered his upside.

WhiteTrash

Fields is who he is and Tomlin sees the limits as did the Bears as did the rest of the NFL as bore out in the market for him in the offseason. Sometimes theses NFL guys know what they are doing.

Fields is a great backup QB which has real value in the NFL. I think he will draw a nice paycheck for years and that is great for a guy who seems to be a great guy and teammate.

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