2024-25 NFL Thread

[WhiteTrash]

The Packers offensive line was hot trash to start 2023.  By the end of the year, it had stabilized and become effective.  Adam Stenavich and Luke Butkus did great work in 23.

There is that, and then there are the Bears who feel you give the players and coaches five years before you can judge,

[WhiteTrash]

This was my argument last year. Why keep Eberflus? What coaching did he do to deserve keeping him while replacing the entire offensive staff?

I guess you can say that if Poles and him are on the same page and have a good working relationship that there is value in that.

The whole thing is a mess. If, and it is an 'if', they have finally given Poles the power to make the coaching hires, he may have thought he could half-ass it by forcing major staff changes but still appear loyal to his HC. Has that ever worked? It feels like the HC get's the axe by the following year. 

[Dish]

Andy Dalton your new QB1 in Carolina.

[The Sultan]

Andy Dalton your new QB1 in Carolina.

Yeah this was inevitable for all sorts of reasons.

[JWags85]

This was my argument last year. Why keep Eberflus? What coaching did he do to deserve keeping him while replacing the entire offensive staff?

I guess you can say that if Poles and him are on the same page and have a good working relationship that there is value in that.

I actually don't have a huge issue with Eberflus so far. His challenges last night were bad, but I think he's actually done well from the end of last year to where we are.  He's a defensive guy and the defense looks fantastic and keeps rising to the occasion.  I think he's done well establishing a culture and a belief, this Bears team fights and doesn't back down which is worth something.

And I agree he's on the same page with Poles which helps, but the anemic offense is just brutal. Waldron's personnel groupings are brutal. Where has Kmet been? How was Carter a focus last night?

[Pakuni]

Andy Dalton your new QB1 in Carolina.

Incredibly stupid.
Do they think they're in the playoff hunt? The whole point of the season is to try to develop Bryce Young under a new coach touted as a QB whisperer specializing in reclamation projects.
Unless Young is injured this makes no sense. Makes me wonder if Tepper is making this call.

[cheebs09]

Incredibly stupid.
Do they think they're in the playoff hunt? The whole point of the season is to try to develop Bryce Young under a new coach touted as a QB whisperer specializing in reclamation projects.
Unless Young is injured this makes no sense. Makes me wonder if Tepper is making this call.

I don't know. It might be better than just tossing him out there when clearly he and the team are overmatched.

[Pakuni]

Postgame yesterday:
@Sheena_Marie3
Dave Canales is asked if he thought about putting Andy Dalton in and if Bryce Young will start next week.
"Bryce is our quarterback."

Today:
@josephperson
Dave Canales declines to say what role David Tepper had in the Bryce Young decision.

[MU82]

Postgame yesterday:
@Sheena_Marie3
Dave Canales is asked if he thought about putting Andy Dalton in and if Bryce Young will start next week.
"Bryce is our quarterback."

Today:
@josephperson
Dave Canales declines to say what role David Tepper had in the Bryce Young decision.

The total shyte-show continues.

The team went out of its way to say that the coach, the GM and the executive VP made the decision - in other words, Tepper was not involved. But pretty hard to believe.

Starting a 36-year-old has-been over last year's #1 pick is an odd move for a team that has pretty much admitted it is in a major rebuild. But whatevs. It would be a huge story if it was a team that anybody but Panthers fans cared about!

[Jockey]

Incredibly stupid.
Do they think they're in the playoff hunt? The whole point of the season is to try to develop Bryce Young under a new coach touted as a QB whisperer specializing in reclamation projects.
Unless Young is injured this makes no sense. Makes me wonder if Tepper is making this call.

Carolina, welcome to Bearsworld. You drafted the wrong guy so you get to do it all over again. Then, chances are you'll get to do it again 2-3 years after that.

[Uncle Rico]

The total shyte-show continues.

The team went out of its way to say that the coach, the GM and the executive VP made the decision - in other words, Tepper was not involved. But pretty hard to believe.

Starting a 36-year-old has-been over last year's #1 pick is an odd move for a team that has pretty much admitted it is in a major rebuild. But whatevs. It would be a huge story if it was a team that anybody but Panthers fans cared about!

Pretty hard to argue that they are not the worst franchise in the NFL

[JWags85]

Pretty hard to argue that they are not the worst franchise in the NFL

It's honestly kind of amazing how horrible Tepper is as an owner.  But I think if you read about how big of a Steelers fan he was up until buying the Panthers, you can kind of figure out he was never gonna be hands off.   Meddlesome and impatient are basically the 2 worst characteristics an owner can have.

[Uncle Rico]

It's honestly kind of amazing how horrible Tepper is as an owner.  But I think if you read about how big of a Steelers fan he was up until buying the Panthers, you can kind of figure out he was never gonna be hands off.   Meddlesome and impatient are basically the 2 worst characteristics an owner can have.

Panther fans can only hope he dies or does something so abhorrent like stealing money from fellow owners that has to sell

[The Sultan]

Young had to be sat really. He is in no position to be a starting quarterback in the NFL right now, and continued failure is not the way to make him more effective.

[Uncle Rico]

Young had to be sat really. He is in no position to be a starting quarterback in the NFL right now, and continued failure is not the way to make him more effective.

If he played weekly against a Joe Barry defense, however, he might look pretty good

[Pakuni]

https://x.com/Ihartitz/status/1835743574928822413

[JWags85]

When you factor in what it cost the Panthers to get him, Young is a pretty damn good argument for top 2-3 worst #1 picks of all time.  I think you have to go back to Ki-Jana Carter before you reach similar lows.

Even Jamarcus Russell had a great second year if compared to Young in Year 2

[Pakuni]

When you factor in what it cost the Panthers to get him, Young is a pretty damn good argument for top 2-3 worst #1 picks of all time.  I think you have to go back to Ki-Jana Carter before you reach similar lows.

Even Jamarcus Russell had a great second year if compared to Young in Year 2

If he continues on this track, for sure. But way too soon. Some pretty good players had worst starts to their careers. Troy Aikman and Steve Young come to mind.
And no, I don't think Young is likely to become a future HOFer, just that he's got a lot of time left.

[Jockey]

If he continues on this track, for sure. But way too soon. Some pretty good players had worst starts to their careers. Troy Aikman and Steve Young come to mind.
And no, I don't think Young is likely to become a future HOFer, just that he's got a lot of time left.

Generally agree. Problem is that he isn't getting as good coaching as those guys. Plus, he will probably have new coaches every couple years.

[Uncle Rico]

If he continues on this track, for sure. But way too soon. Some pretty good players had worst starts to their careers. Troy Aikman and Steve Young come to mind.
And no, I don't think Young is likely to become a future HOFer, just that he's got a lot of time left.

He's too small

[Pakuni]

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1835770299369046247

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1835812856752664787

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

When you factor in what it cost the Panthers to get him, Young is a pretty damn good argument for top 2-3 worst #1 picks of all time.  I think you have to go back to Ki-Jana Carter before you reach similar lows.

Even Jamarcus Russell had a great second year if compared to Young in Year 2

If you factor in off the field problems, young might be the worst because he has none

[WhiteTrash]

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1835770299369046247

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1835812856752664787

Yep. Hours of that same stuff on tape the past few years.

[MU1in77]

Say what you want about the Bears leadership but at least they didn't draft Bryce Young with the #1 pick last year.

[SoCalEagle]

If he continues on this track, for sure. But way too soon. Some pretty good players had worst starts to their careers. Troy Aikman and Steve Young come to mind.
And no, I don't think Young is likely to become a future HOFer, just that he's got a lot of time left.

Get Bryce to a franchise that has a decent offensive line and a couple of good receivers and he will be fine.  His best bet would be to go to a team with an aging QB where he can learn a system for a year or two, then become the starter.  Teams are in too much of a rush to win now instead of investing the time to build a franchise.  Rams should pick him up in the off season.  Bryce would be a good replacement (eventually) for Stafford who is aging quickly.