2024-25 NFL Thread

[jesmu84]

Waldron to Chicago?

[Uncle Rico]

Waldron to Chicago?

Looks like it.  Good hire.  Come on down, Caleb

[Jockey]

Seahawks fans are glad he'll be in Chicago instead of Seattle.

[WhiteTrash]

Seahawks fans are glad he'll be in Chicago instead of Seattle.

I get that. Big picture, he did way more with Geno than anyone would have imagined. Seems NFL people think highly of him, but I get Seattle fans are not sad to see him leave.

[Pakuni]

@HaydenWinks

Caleb Williams is working with @QBCollective for training. New Bears OC Shane Waldron is a QB Collective guy. You do the math here.

[jesmu84]

@HaydenWinks

Caleb Williams is working with @QBCollective for training. New Bears OC Shane Waldron is a QB Collective guy. You do the math here.

So did Justin Fields

[Pakuni]

So did Justin Fields

Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.

[jesmu84]

Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.

My post was more about what Hayden didn't know or didn't state.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah, I see the Fields Army came after him in the replies.
Who knew a bottom-third QB had such a hardcore following.

My working theory is that Field's supporters are convinced that the Bear's FO will take a tolerable QB situation and make it worse. Basically they don't trust the Bears as opposed to supporting Justin. Can't argue they are wrong but it is a very defeatist mentality.

As I've said before, it harkens back to those who supported Wojo; MU could not do better.

[Pakuni]

My working theory is that Field's supporters are convinced that the Bear's FO will take a tolerable QB situation and make it worse. Basically they don't trust the Bears as opposed to supporting Justin. Can't argue they are wrong but it is a very defeatist mentality.

As I've said before, it harkens back to those who supported Wojo; MU could not do better.

I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.

[MU82]

I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.

Bingo.

[jesmu84]

I get that, but it's incredibly silly to argue that the Bears should pass on a potential franchise QB because they whiffed on previous attempts to land a franchise QB.
By that logic, the Colts shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning, because they missed on Jeff George and Art Schlichter. Or the Lions should have passed on Stafford because Joey Harrington, Andre Ware and Chuck Long all busted.
Gotta keep taking swings.

I agree with this mindset.

What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I agree with this mindset.

What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB

Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.

[Pakuni]

I agree with this mindset.

What you're overlooking is that the people who still support fields think he can be a franchise QB

I get that. And maybe they're right. But historically speaking, after nearly 40 starts, a guy usually is who he is.
I honestly can't think of many guys who played that much mediocre (or worse) football and then become a top 10 guy.
Rich Gannon, I guess, but he was a someone who ran a system to perfection, not a guy who carried his team.
Geno? Not really a franchise QB. There's a reason the Seahawks didn't sign him long term. Not a top 10/lead you to Super Bowls guy. And actually had fewer career starts than Fields does by the time he got to Seattle.

[Jockey]

Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.

Two coaching staffs. Coaching was blamed for Trubisky, as well.

[Uncle Rico]

Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina

[Pakuni]

Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina

Was Luke Kuechly unavailable?
The Panthers' front office has made misstep after misstep past few seasons, so the obvious decision is to elevate from within.
Wish him well, and who knows, but this seems like a bad decision meant to appease an angry fan base with a local hero.

[Uncle Rico]

Was Luke Kuechly unavailable?
The Panthers' front office has made misstep after misstep past few seasons, so the obvious decision is to elevate from within.
Wish him well, and who knows, but this seems like a bad decision meant to appease an angry fan base with a local hero.

I believe he was the assistant GM entering the season or working for the front office in some capacity

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Always good to hire the internal candidate from a failed front office. I'm sure it will go well.

[GB Warrior]

Dan Morgan is the new GM in Carolina

Everyone who has been around the decision making in that front office should have been ruled out from the beginning. What a disaster.

[Uncle Rico]

Titans are hiring Bengals OC Brian Callahan to be their next head coach.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah I think there are a fair number of people that blame the coaching staff for his lack of development.

Yes, some do. The actual facts are that the Bear's WRs, RBs and OL were not awful. The WRs were among the best in fewest dropped passes and the OL played decent when healthy. Fields was not materially better the second half of the season when the drive by media credited the wins to Fields. The D was significantly better not Fields.

That said, Getsy was very bad. So bad that the "double agent of the Packers" theory had goofballs believing it.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I'm not sure why the Eagles decided to hold onto Sirianni, yet both of his coordinators have been fired. Does that ever work?

[JWags85]

I'm not sure why the Eagles decided to hold onto Sirianni, yet both of his coordinators have been fired. Does that ever work?

I generally agree with you, but Sirianni is a year off of a SB appearance and still has 3 straight playoff appearances.  And Johnson had only been OC for a year and was an internal promotion.  So that didn't work and they moved on.  Desai also was in his first year and didn't work.

So its not like a long serving unit didn't work as a whole.  If Sirianni whiffs on 2 more coordinators, then obviously he's gonna go.  But I think this is a bit of a different situation than normally with coordinators being canned like this.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The conclusion I would draw is that Steichen is the real reason for the offensive success and just move on.

Anyway, we will see if it works.