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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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JWags85

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 12, 2023, 05:49:00 PM
Would you even consider holding on to the #1 and drafting Marvin Harrison Jr.?

#1 overall?  No way.  If you're not taking Williams or Maye, there is too much hype and demand to hold onto that pick any not pick them, leaving too much on the table.  Moving down to to 3/4/5 to try and have a shot at him is a different story.

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 12, 2023, 05:50:37 PM
IMO - roll with Justin for 1 more year (assuming he doesn't try to hold out for long contract) and don't pick up his 5th year option.

Trade down in the draft once or twice and load the team with more picks/depth.

Find out how much another team might give for Fields (draft picks or otherwise).

Take a QB at any point in the draft this year other than 1/2.

This is where I'm at too.  Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd.  Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers

Lennys Tap

Quote from: JWags85 on December 12, 2023, 10:02:37 PM

This is where I'm at too.  Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd.  Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers

I'm no NFL scout, and I've only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed "eye test" sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year's class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?

PointWarrior

no eye tests allowed on Scoop, only analytics...

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 12, 2023, 10:09:11 PM
I'm no NFL scout, and I've only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed "eye test" sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year's class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?

JWags85

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 12, 2023, 10:09:11 PM
I'm no NFL scout, and I've only seen him play a couple of times, but my very flawed "eye test" sees Daniels as the most dynamic QB in this year's class. Where is he slotted in the mock drafts?

Late first, early to mid second Ive seen.  I think there is a bit of concern about durability and how he does progression reads, but I think he's very intriguing.  Some of the concerns are similar to Fields, but I think Daniels is better in the pocket than Fields was at this stage but he's not the elite athlete Fields is and doesn't have the same arm strength (not that he has a noodle at all, just not a top 5 type cannon).

Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on December 13, 2023, 07:27:58 AM
Late first, early to mid second Ive seen.  I think there is a bit of concern about durability and how he does progression reads, but I think he's very intriguing.  Some of the concerns are similar to Fields, but I think Daniels is better in the pocket than Fields was at this stage but he's not the elite athlete Fields is and doesn't have the same arm strength (not that he has a noodle at all, just not a top 5 type cannon).

Bet he gets picked in the first round.  I'll be surprised if he slips out unless he really bombs in the pre-draft process.  The talent is too tantalizing for someone not to take a flyer on him late in the first round at the least. 

Minnesota, Seattle, Tampa, NO, Atlanta and Pittsburgh.  One of those teams is going to make the playoffs and be in that spot in the first round where you can make that pick if you fall in love with him
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MU82

If Daniels is available for the Panthers with the first pick of the 2nd round, it would be very tempting.

But I think he'll be lonnnnnnng gone by then. I've seen mocks with him as high as 2nd overall. (I think it was CBS Sports?) So who knows.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on December 13, 2023, 08:07:38 AM
If Daniels is available for the Panthers with the first pick of the 2nd round, it would be very tempting.

But I think he'll be lonnnnnnng gone by then. I've seen mocks with him as high as 2nd overall. (I think it was CBS Sports?) So who knows.

My gut tells me he's one of the top-3 QBs picked
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

lawdog77

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2023, 08:11:24 AM
My gut tells me he's one of the top-3 QBs picked
What no sponsorship for your gut?


cheebs09


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Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: JWags85 on December 12, 2023, 10:02:37 PM
#1 overall?  No way. If you're not taking Williams or Maye, there is too much hype and demand to hold onto that pick any not pick them, leaving too much on the table.  Moving down to to 3/4/5 to try and have a shot at him is a different story.

This is where I'm at too.  Lot of interesting QBs that could be available late 1st into 2nd/3rd.  Daniels, Nix, Penix, maybe Ewers

Especially since Nabers is also an option a bit later and I think he's gonna be nearly as good

DegenerateDish

Someone will take Daniels in the top 10.

Part of me would be intrigued if the Bears picked up the 5th year option, drafted MHJ and Bowers with their two first round picks, and then drafted someone like McCarthy (or take your pick) in round 2.

Pakuni

Quote from: Pakuni on December 10, 2023, 06:16:18 PM
I don't know how Brandon Staley survives this, but I also said that after last year's playoff meltdown.

Bump.

DegenerateDish


Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
There's no way he's employed 24 hours from now.

Yeah, when I posted that last week I didn't know they were on a short week. Might explain why he's still around.

DegenerateDish

If a coach was ever going to be fired at halftime, this is the time & place to do it.

jesmu84

https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19

No knock on Fields at all. Let's assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can't. The elite can.

cheebs09

I'm shocked Staley is still employed.

MU82

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 15, 2023, 09:07:24 AM
https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19

No knock on Fields at all. Let's assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can't. The elite can.

This is my thought as well. Unless you are sure that Fields is your long-term QB and that he is better than Williams or Maye, you'd be better off drafting one of those two, trading Fields for whatever you can get, and using your other first-round pick to help the new QB.

Otherwise, you have to make a financial commitment to Fields (even if it's only the 5th-year option) and you'll be setting the franchise back if you're wrong about him.

I don't know how anybody can objectively look at Fields' body of work and say, "Yep, he's our star for the next decade." But who knows ... maybe he'll be just that.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

WhiteTrash

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 15, 2023, 09:07:24 AM
https://twitter.com/gregolsen88/status/1734992188398862557?t=zPhPsxlisYdKIMzQz96XDg&s=19

No knock on Fields at all. Let's assume the top QB in draft and Fields are exactly the same now and in the future. The tie breaker goes to starting the clock over before having to pay the QB $50m. Once QB gets paid, he better be able to cover up the holes. Most can't. The elite can.
He is correct.

I'd make a minor argument that Fields will not get $50M but $40M is possible.   

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
I don't know how anybody can objectively look at Fields' body of work and say, "Yep, he's our star for the next decade." But who knows ... maybe he'll be just that.
There in lies the whole conundrum; Field's shows you enough to think he is very good to great but it is not close to consistent. Just look at his last two games. Vikings - stunk, Lions - very good.

aands86


Pakuni

Quote from: aands86 on December 15, 2023, 11:24:27 AM
Not anymore

And the GM that hired is out as well.
Tom Telesco's three hires:
Mike McCoy
Anthony Lynn
Brandon Staley

MU82

Frank Reich is available!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

WhiteTrash

I think Luke Getsy is ready to be a HC. I hope Poles puts in a good word for him at any of the openings.  ;D