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Herman Cain

I thoroughly enjoyed Brady's playing career . So a lot of games in person including two Super Bowls.

Tom will do an Excellent job as an announcer and doesn't need no stinking midweek production meetings ...

https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ?si=kbBJWZaVVHSIZyzJ
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

tower912

Aiyuk.  All of the money, none of the two-a-days.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on August 29, 2024, 08:55:38 PM
Aiyuk.  All of the money, none of the two-a-days.

49ers will regret that contract.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Herman Cain on August 29, 2024, 08:44:32 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed Brady's playing career . So a lot of games in person including two Super Bowls.

Tom will do an Excellent job as an announcer and doesn't need no stinking midweek production meetings ...

https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ?si=kbBJWZaVVHSIZyzJ

I sit in the commissioner's box at the Super Bowl now. 
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Not hanging with Taylor and the Kelces?   Yawn.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2024, 07:20:33 AM
Not hanging with Taylor and the Kelces?   Yawn.

No, they're woke
Guster is for Lovers

lawdog77

Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 30, 2024, 06:13:00 AM
49ers will regret that contract.
He needs to thank Bart Starr, I mean Brock Purdy.

The Sultan

I've always said that Brandon Aiyuk is just like Max McGee.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 30, 2024, 06:13:00 AM
49ers will regret that contract.

5th highest paid contract for a guy who isn't even the best offensive weapon on his team and has never had over 75 catches or 8 TDs in a season.  Just wild.  Makes DJ Moore's deal look like a steal.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 30, 2024, 06:13:00 AM
49ers will regret that contract.
Pulled hamstring week one and on the sideline for 4 weeks?

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on August 30, 2024, 02:26:27 PM
5th highest paid contract for a guy who isn't even the best offensive weapon on his team and has never had over 75 catches or 8 TDs in a season.  Just wild.  Makes DJ Moore's deal look like a steal.

$76M isn't an outrageous commitment for one of the better WRs in the league.

lawdog77

Quote from: JWags85 on August 30, 2024, 02:26:27 PM
5th highest paid contract for a guy who isn't even the best offensive weapon on his team and has never had over 75 catches or 8 TDs in a season.  Just wild.  Makes DJ Moore's deal look like a steal.
He had 78 catches two years ago. He was also 2nd team all pro last year. 7th in yards, 2nd in YPC. 5th highest paid seems not too far from what he should get, IMO.

JWags85

Quote from: lawdog77 on August 30, 2024, 04:46:22 PM
He had 78 catches two years ago. He was also 2nd team all pro last year. 7th in yards, 2nd in YPC. 5th highest paid seems not too far from what he should get, IMO.

I meant to write 80, but close enough.  Fair enough on your points but I guess I don't rank him that high.  I have him closer to outside the top 10 than in the top 5.

Lamb, Jefferson, Brown, St Brown, Hill, and Adams are cleanly ahead of him for me.  Then you get into guys like Chase, Diggs, Moore that are right with him.  He's a good player for sure, I just don't see him as an absolute stud.  Like if you could have him or Samuel as a WR, I don't think he's the no brainer choice

The Sultan

Quote from: JWags85 on August 30, 2024, 07:50:59 PM
I meant to write 80, but close enough.  Fair enough on your points but I guess I don't rank him that high.  I have him closer to outside the top 10 than in the top 5.

Lamb, Jefferson, Brown, St Brown, Hill, and Adams are cleanly ahead of him for me.  Then you get into guys like Chase, Diggs, Moore that are right with him.  He's a good player for sure, I just don't see him as an absolute stud.  Like if you could have him or Samuel as a WR, I don't think he's the no brainer choice

And honestly I don't think devoting that much cap space to a receiver is a good idea.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 08:02:53 PM
And honestly I don't think devoting that much cap space to a receiver is a good idea.

I don't necessarily disagree.  Also, in that vein, its kind of a silly metric but I didn't see a single mock draft or either of my 2 fantasy drafts that had him in the top 25-30 picks.  Not ideal stat projection for a guy taking over 10% of your cap.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: JWags85 on August 30, 2024, 08:13:49 PM
I don't necessarily disagree.  Also, in that vein, its kind of a silly metric but I didn't see a single mock draft or either of my 2 fantasy drafts that had him in the top 25-30 picks.  Not ideal stat projection for a guy taking over 10% of your cap.

You can afford to do stuff like this when your QB is on a 7th round rookie deal

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Hards Alumni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 08:02:53 PM
And honestly I don't think devoting that much cap space to a receiver is a good idea.

Yep, this is where I fall as well.

Jockey

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 08:02:53 PM
And honestly I don't think devoting that much cap space to a receiver is a good idea.

While generally I agree, it depends on the situation. It was absolutely the right move with Jefferson. Much more questionable with Aiyuk.

It will be interesting for GB next off-season with Watson and Doubs. While neither is in the same realm as JJ, both will be in line for big multi-year deals if they perform as expected this year.

Any opinion on their contract values?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 03:18:43 PM
While generally I agree, it depends on the situation. It was absolutely the right move with Jefferson. Much more questionable with Aiyuk.

It will be interesting for GB next off-season with Watson and Doubs. While neither is in the same realm as JJ, both will be in line for big multi-year deals if they perform as expected this year.

Any opinion on their contract values?

Let's see if Watson can stay healthy.  He may not have much of a market if he's missing time again this year.

Reed might be the best of the bunch.  Could see them lowballing Doubs or he becomes the best of the bunch.  Will be fascinating
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 03:18:43 PM
While generally I agree, it depends on the situation. It was absolutely the right move with Jefferson. Much more questionable with Aiyuk.

It will be interesting for GB next off-season with Watson and Doubs. While neither is in the same realm as JJ, both will be in line for big multi-year deals if they perform as expected this year.

Any opinion on their contract values?

See, I don't agree. JJ is clearly a great receiver, but is the increase in the marginal value he brings worth the percentage of the cap he takes? I mean, the entire Packers receiving group makes less than Cee Dee Lamb - I would rather have that group than Cee Dee and his cohorts.

As for Watson and Doubs, my guess is they will sign one of them to a larger deal but we need to see how the year plays out.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

I have no problem with the 49ers keeping Aiyuk and going for it.
Their window is probably open for probably only this season and next. Williams is 36. Kittle is 30. McCaffery is 28. Deebo is 28. Hargrave is 31. Juszczyk is 33.
And then they're going to have to pay Purdy in two years or let him walk and start over.
Why not put themselves in the best possible position to win now? Other than outright cutting or trading Aiyuk, there will always be ways to make the cap hit easier to manage in the future.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 03:54:30 PM
I have no problem with the 49ers keeping Aiyuk and going for it.
Their window is probably open for probably only this season and next. Williams is 36. Kittle is 30. McCaffery is 28. Deebo is 28. Hargrave is 31. Juszczyk is 33.
And then they're going to have to pay Purdy in two years or let him walk and start over.
Why not put themselves in the best possible position to win now? Other than outright cutting or trading Aiyuk, there will always be ways to make the cap hit easier to manage in the future.

Yep. This absolutely.

Situations matter. The Panthers or Patriots giving this contract to Aiyuk would have been idiotic. But in pro sports, when you have a legit chance to win a championship, you go for it.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 04, 2024, 03:35:54 PM
See, I don't agree. JJ is clearly a great receiver, but is the increase in the marginal value he brings worth the percentage of the cap he takes? I mean, the entire Packers receiving group makes less than Cee Dee Lamb - I would rather have that group than Cee Dee and his cohorts.

As for Watson and Doubs, my guess is they will sign one of them to a larger deal but we need to see how the year plays out.

The reason I am fine with the contract for JJ is that they aren't paying a QB or any other wide receiver. They have plenty of room and frontloaded the contract.

lawdog77

Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 06:49:07 PM
The reason I am fine with the contract for JJ is that they aren't paying a QB or any other wide receiver. They have plenty of room and frontloaded the contract.
Paying that much for a wide receiver (JJ) without a proven quarterback is kind of risky IMO.

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