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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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Jockey

Maybe we find out today what happened.

Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
Maybe we find out today what happened.

Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.

::) ::)

lawdog77

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
Maybe we find out today what happened.

Way too many lies from both the Bears and Williams yesterday.

Jockey

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 10:20:44 AM


No I listen to what they say. Well, actually Poles refused to talk about it today and abruptly ended the press conference when asked about it.

If a friend and colleague resigned over a health issue (dubious because when someone has a health issue, giving up your medical insurance is not the 1st thing you do), the absolute 1st thing that any team would do is offer support rather than, say, give a terse 12 word statement saying good riddance.


WhiteTrash

No of it passes the smell test. Maybe on the 'scandal meter' it is a 1 out of 10, but I don't feel that he or the Bears are being honest.

DegenerateDish

McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.

cheebs09

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.

Sounds like the Poles presser didn't include any additional info. Maybe legally they can't say much.

lawdog77

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 11:01:04 AM
No I listen to what they say. Well, actually Poles refused to talk about it today and abruptly ended the press conference when asked about it.

If a friend and colleague resigned over a health issue (dubious because when someone has a health issue, giving up your medical insurance is not the 1st thing you do), the absolute 1st thing that any team would do is offer support rather than, say, give a terse 12 word statement saying good riddance.
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
McAfee is saying/reporting that the FBI did raid Williams house recently, FWIW.

If he's wrong, wonder how ESPN handles it. 
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

RJax55

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2023, 12:55:31 PM
If he's wrong, wonder how ESPN handles it.

If wrong, they should send him to some crappy 11 a.m. Big Ten West game for one his alternative broadcasts.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.

Jockey is as big of a loser as George McCaskey is, so makes sense that he has the inside scoop.

Jockey

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
You don't know that. You don't know what the agreement is conncerning benefits when he is resigning.

You're right. I don't "know" it. And in a normal situation an agreement would probably have been involved. But this isn't a normal separation. The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?

It also is a departure from Chicago's history. They openly support and take care of players with health issues. Think Miller or Knox.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?

Are you saying that coaches are going to avoid working for the Bears because they sounded unsympathetic in a press release?
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 02:37:19 PM
Are you saying that coaches are going to avoid working for the Bears because they sounded unsympathetic in a press release?

No.

withoutbias

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
No.

Lol.

Beginning to look like maybe you're the one struggling with the English language, no?  You love to hint at things, but when someone calls you out for it you claim that's not what you're hinting at...

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
No.

Uh...yeah you are. Otherwise what does this mean?

"The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?"

Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

lawdog77

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
You're right. I don't "know" it. And in a normal situation an agreement would probably have been involved. But this isn't a normal separation. The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?

It also is a departure from Chicago's history. They openly support and take care of players with health issues. Think Miller or Knox.
Ones that want a job in the NFL? The jobs are limited

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
Uh...yeah you are. Otherwise what does this mean?

"The Bears' press release was the same as if they cut a guy from the practice squad. 12 words! For a DC. Refusing to wish him well when he resigned over health issues. That is not normal.

Don't fool yourself. Coaches around the league are watching this. If the Bears and Williams are telling the truth, what coach would ever want to go to Chicago?"

Normally, you are different than most Scoopers - you actually understand nuance.


It wasn't about the press release. It was about having a high level coach "resign" over health issues and not expressing even an ounce of sympathy or support either in person OR in a press release. Remember, this was a coach who was a close friend of Everflus. Yet Eberflus showed no sympathy publicly. That is why I think this would give pause to other coaches.

Jockey

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 21, 2023, 03:15:15 PM
Ones that want a job in the NFL? The jobs are limited

You're right. But guys who just want an NFL job are not near as appealing to a team as guys who have earned an NFL job. These guys want a stable environment.


The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:24:15 PM
Normally, you are different than most Scoopers - you actually understand nuance.


It wasn't about the press release. It was about having a high level coach "resign" over health issues and not expressing even an ounce of sympathy or support either in person OR in a press release. Remember, this was a coach who was a close friend of Everflus. Yet Eberflus showed no sympathy publicly. That is why I think this would give pause to other coaches.


You are WAAAYYYYY overthinking this.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2023, 03:30:30 PM

You are WAAAYYYYY overthinking this.

Probably.

I think that's a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.

6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.

Oops. Crash and burn on all points.

withoutbias

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:27:27 PM
You're right. But guys who just want an NFL job are not near as appealing to a team as guys who have earned an NFL job. These guys want a stable environment.

Anyone who is an NFL assistant coach and values a "stable environment" is in the wrong career.


Pakuni

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:40:19 PM
Probably.

I think that's a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.

6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.

Oops. Crash and burn on all points.

The Bears were never going to draft Jalen Carter. They were among several teams that took him off the board.

RJax55

Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2023, 03:40:19 PM
Probably.

I think that's a result of the pleasure of watching the Bears unravel so quickly.

6 months ago, it was a different story. Fields was gonna make a 3rd year jump in reading defenses. They were in position to take the consensus #1 player in the draft at a position that Eberflus said was the most important on his defense. And they had a ton of cap room to fix the offensive line.

Oops. Crash and burn on all points.

None of that has anything to do with Alan Williams.

Yes, the situation with Williams is odd. I'm sure a fuller picture of what's going on with him will emerge.

The Bears are saying very little. It's difficult for me to critique the approach without any details. It's possible that the team may not know the full extent of the situation as well.