2024-25 NFL Thread

[Pakuni]

[tower912]

Luckily for them, many mediocre teams.

[Herman Cain]

Dolphins Need to free up Tyreek in second Half

[forgetful]

While I pretty much agree with you, I honestly don't mind calling out certain actions of the victim (in this case Hill) cause it further illuminates the dereliction of duty from the officer.

There can be a tendency to gloss over anything the victim does (or did) to nistead shine light on the excessive use of force or whatnot.  But I think its also relevant that being rude, or a bit of a snarky ass, or having an attitude during the stop (like some are saying Hill did) doesn't give the police any right to throw a tantrum and pull them out of the car, get physical, prove a point or whatever.

You can believe Hill acted like a dipcrap (like some have) but also believe he did nothing technically wrong and didn't deserve any of what happened to him.  FWIW, I have no real opinion on his behavior during the stop, Ive gotten annoyed during 1-2 BS stops that happened to me in Milwaukee before, but I think he's handled himself VERY well during the game and after.

I think we are 100% in agreement.

[forgetful]

At what point are all the concussions to Tua too many. When do doctors step in and say an individual can't handle another concussion and make them medically ineligible to play.

The man has had a lot of concussions.

On a separate note, this was another game with weak QB play. Combined the teams went 38-58 for 351 yards 2 TDs, and 3 Int.

Is it rust from not playing in the preseason?

[Dish]

At what point are all the concussions to Tua too many. When do doctors step in and say an individual can't handle another concussion and make them medically ineligible to play.

The man has had a lot of concussions.

On a separate note, this was another game with weak QB play. Combined the teams went 38-58 for 351 yards 2 TDs, and 3 Int.

Is it rust from not playing in the preseason?

On your latter point, Allen just didn't have to do a ton tonight. Field position, pick 6, one drive was one play on the Cook 49 yard rush TD, the game flow for the Bills ended up being fairly easy.

Tua just sails passes and the Bills defended expecting that. Overall though, you're spot on. Last week was gross, this weekend could be as well.

[Dish]

Regarding Tua, how has he not learned to slide? That concussion was definitely avoidable had he slid. Going head first into contact when you've had multiple concussions already, come on.

Also, if you're the Dolphins, and you know Tua's history, how is Skylar Thompson still your backup plan?

[Lennys Tap]

While I pretty much agree with you, I honestly don't mind calling out certain actions of the victim (in this case Hill) cause it further illuminates the dereliction of duty from the officer.

There can be a tendency to gloss over anything the victim does (or did) to nistead shine light on the excessive use of force or whatnot.  But I think its also relevant that being rude, or a bit of a snarky ass, or having an attitude during the stop (like some are saying Hill did) doesn't give the police any right to throw a tantrum and pull them out of the car, get physical, prove a point or whatever.

You can believe Hill acted like a dipcrap (like some have) but also believe he did nothing technically wrong and didn't deserve any of what happened to him.  FWIW, I have no real opinion on his behavior during the stop, Ive gotten annoyed during 1-2 BS stops that happened to me in Milwaukee before, but I think he's handled himself VERY well during the game and after.

There ya go. See, Sultan - that wasn't so hard.

[The Sultan]

There ya go. See, Sultan - that wasn't so hard.

I agree with Wags completely.

But that's not close to what you originally stated.  You started out with this: "Tyreek was out of line, the cops response was too. No fair minded person would say otherwise." 

Then you pivoted to this: "The cops was more egregious, but without Tyreek's there are no penalties at all except a traffic citation."

And now you're saying you agree with Wags? GMAFB. That's about as disingenuous as you have ever been on Scoop - and that is a HIGH bar to clear. Your transformation into Chicos is complete.

[Hards Alumni]

I agree with Wags completely.

But that's not close to what you originally stated.  You started out with this: "Tyreek was out of line, the cops response was too. No fair minded person would say otherwise." 

Then you pivoted to this: "The cops was more egregious, but without Tyreek's there are no penalties at all except a traffic citation."

And now you're saying you agree with Wags? GMAFB. That's about as disingenuous as you have ever been on Scoop - and that is a HIGH bar to clear. Your transformation into Chicos is complete.

No no, you don't understand, he's just not eloquent enough to properly convey his thoughts over the course of a week and multiple posts.

[The Sultan]

At what point are all the concussions to Tua too many. When do doctors step in and say an individual can't handle another concussion and make them medically ineligible to play.

The man has had a lot of concussions.

On a separate note, this was another game with weak QB play. Combined the teams went 38-58 for 351 yards 2 TDs, and 3 Int.

Is it rust from not playing in the preseason?

Kirk Herbstreit made a different point about quarterbacking in the NFL that I think makes a lot of sense.

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/kirk-herbstreit-football-crossroads-quarterback-play.html

Basically what he is saying is that the NFL is struggling to adapt its game to the dual-action quarterback, and part of this is because the current generation of coaches and offensive coordinators have largely come from teams where quarterbacks sit in the pocket and distribute.

[jficke13]

Regarding Tua, how has he not learned to slide? That concussion was definitely avoidable had he slid. Going head first into contact when you've had multiple concussions already, come on.

Also, if you're the Dolphins, and you know Tua's history, how is Skylar Thompson still your backup plan?

There was the big thing about how he got into BJJ to learn how to fall without hitting his head. Kind of rendered moot when the head-impact occurs via this kind of collision though.

[jficke13]

Kirk Herbstreit made a different point about quarterbacking in the NFL that I think makes a lot of sense.

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/kirk-herbstreit-football-crossroads-quarterback-play.html

Basically what he is saying is that the NFL is struggling to adapt its game to the dual-action quarterback, and part of this is because the current generation of coaches and offensive coordinators have largely come from teams where quarterbacks sit in the pocket and distribute.

Yeah, the personnel are struggling to adapt to that type of quarterback, but also every single defender is a freak in the NFL. The margin of error that exists at lower levels for absorbing the hits is simply not the same in the league. Quarterbacks absorbing those kinds of hits make them more like RBs in terms of the physical risk of injury and less like pocket passing QBs, and certainly not Protect the QB era QBs.

I think as much as coaches are failing to adapt, the QBs who are running are failing to protect themselves. Slide or get to the sideline, you're not Marshawn Lynch. Don't lower your shoulder into a hit unless the game situation demands you get that last yard. Can't win a ballgame from the concussion protocol.

[Hards Alumni]

I am unsure as to why Tua hasn't been or hasn't been required to wear a guardian cap.

[MUBurrow]

We'll see how it turns out, but man the vibes around Tua sure feel different this time around. 

The scary part isn't necessarily the number of concussions he's had, its how he seems more susceptible to them and they have a greater impact on him.  The hit last night was a knock, but it wasn't the kind of hit that would make you automatically assume brain injury and missed time for most players.  That's actually scarier and I think is the subtext for why a lot of the media is talking retirement.  Sure given the score context he probably should have gotten down last night, but he was fighting for a first down and if a player's health history requires him to make a business decision every time he's facing down a defender - well, that just might mean football isn't for him anymore.

[jficke13]

We'll see how it turns out, but man the vibes around Tua sure feel different this time around. 

The scary part isn't necessarily the number of concussions he's had, its how he seems more susceptible to them and they have a greater impact on him.  The hit last night was a knock, but it wasn't the kind of hit that would make you automatically assume brain injury and missed time for most players.  That's actually scarier and I think is the subtext for why a lot of the media is talking retirement.  Sure given the score context he probably should have gotten down last night, but he was fighting for a first down and if a player's health history requires him to make a business decision every time he's facing down a defender - well, that just might mean football isn't for him anymore.

I've gotta imagine there was a very expensive insurance policy taken out that contract for this very reason. Also, if he is going down the road to medical retirement, just as we saw with Jermichael Finley, expect him to try to move heaven and earth to keep playing in order to satisfy the insurer that they have to issue payment on the policy.

[Jockey]

Yeah, the personnel are struggling to adapt to that type of quarterback, but also every single defender is a freak in the NFL. The margin of error that exists at lower levels for absorbing the hits is simply not the same in the league. Quarterbacks absorbing those kinds of hits make them more like RBs in terms of the physical risk of injury and less like pocket passing QBs, and certainly not Protect the QB era QBs.

I think as much as coaches are failing to adapt, the QBs who are running are failing to protect themselves. Slide or get to the sideline, you're not Marshawn Lynch. Don't lower your shoulder into a hit unless the game situation demands you get that last yard. Can't win a ballgame from the concussion protocol.

This is why I have repeatedly said that Lamar Jackson will never win a title.

It was a problem with Fields (not that he was gonna ever be good enough to win a title) and may be for Caleb as he is extremely quick to vacate the pocket. That means a lot of big, fast, strong guys will be bearing down on you.

[The Sultan]

This is why I have repeatedly said that Lamar Jackson will never win a title.

It was a problem with Fields (not that he was gonna ever be good enough to win a title) and may be for Caleb as he is extremely quick to vacate the pocket. That means a lot of big, fast, strong guys will be bearing down on you.

The Ravens have failed to advance beyond their seed a couple times in the Lamar Jackson era, but it most certainly is not because he runs the ball too much. In fact, I think the reason they lost last year's AFCCG is because he didn't run the ball enough.

[Jockey]

The Ravens have failed to advance beyond their seed a couple times in the Lamar Jackson era, but it most certainly is not because he runs the ball too much. In fact, I think the reason they lost last year's AFCCG is because he didn't run the ball enough.

I understand that their offense is better when he is running. My point, though, is that he is so banged up late in the season that he is not his best self by the time Playoffs roll around.

[The Sultan]

I understand that their offense is better when he is running. My point, though, is that he is so banged up late in the season that he is not his best self by the time Playoffs roll around.

Ahh...gotcha. Makes sense.

[JWags85]

This is why I have repeatedly said that Lamar Jackson will never win a title.

It was a problem with Fields (not that he was gonna ever be good enough to win a title) and may be for Caleb as he is extremely quick to vacate the pocket. That means a lot of big, fast, strong guys will be bearing down on you.

I think the difference with Williams (non biased cause even though he's a Bear im slow to warm to him) is he's more of the Mahomes mold of moving the point of attack/throwing on the run.  Fields, Jackson, other dual guys tuck and use dangerous run abilities which opens them up for big hits.  Williams is really good at throwing on the run, its part of his upside from the scouting report.  Same with Mahomes.  Does that mean they take more hits than a traditional pocket passer?  Sure.  But thats different than running upfield where you're getting whacked by LBs and safeties with momentum downfield.

[Jockey]

Fair enough.

[Lennys Tap]

I agree with Wags completely.

But that's not close to what you originally stated.  You started out with this: "Tyreek was out of line, the cops response was too. No fair minded person would say otherwise." 

Then you pivoted to this: "The cops was more egregious, but without Tyreek's there are no penalties at all except a traffic citation."

And now you're saying you agree with Wags? GMAFB. That's about as disingenuous as you have ever been on Scoop - and that is a HIGH bar to clear. Your transformation into Chicos is complete

Everything I said was true and not at all in disagreement with what Wags opined. You just can't read, at least as it pertains to me.

You (like Chicos) post here constantly. You (like Chicos) stalk other posters. You (like Chicos) constantly lie and misrepresent anything posted by those you stalk.

Look in the mirror, Chico

[The Sultan]

Everything I said was true and not at all in disagreement with what Wags opined. You just can't read, at least as it pertains to me.

You (like Chicos) post here constantly. You (like Chicos) stalk other posters. You (like Chicos) constantly lie and misrepresent anything posted by those you stalk.

Look in the mirror, Chico

lol. Nice try.

No no, you don't understand, he's just not eloquent enough to properly convey his thoughts over the course of a week and multiple posts.

Exactly. At this point he has no idea what he's trying to say.

[Lennys Tap]

lol. Nice try.

lol.