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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 14, 2023, 04:01:32 PM

Yes, this is a new thing that just started this year. I was taken aback when I noticed as well.

Yesterday I laughed out loud at one of your posts. Today, you embrace sarcasm.

I like it.

MU82

I don't think it was mentioned Sunday how gutsy Dan Campbell continues to be with his game management. He knew the Lions needed to score lots of points to beat the Chargers, and he went for it 5 times on 4th down. The Lions converted 4 of them - and they weren't 4th-and-inches plays, either.

His boldest call came with just under 2 minutes left and the game tied at 38. It was fourth-and-2 at the LA 26-yard line, and the Lions could have kicked the go-ahead FG, but instead Campbell went for it - and Goff completed a 6-yard pass to keep the drive going. As a result, the Lions were able to run out the clock and kick the game-winner on the final play.

Had Campbell gone for the first FG attempt - as most (if not all) coaches would have done - Herbert would have had plenty of time and a solid chance to win the game. But the coach trusted Goff & Co. to get at least 2 yards to basically win the game.

Of course, had the gambit failed, Campbell would be getting criticized by some for the decision. But it didn't fail, and this is who Campbell is. From an outside observer - neither a Lions fan nor a Lions hater - it's great stuff.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

tower912

He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on November 15, 2023, 08:35:59 AM
He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.

And yet many (probably most, perhaps even all) other coaches with sieve defenses would have kicked the FG in the same scenario.

The dope here in Charlotte sent out his accurate-but-short-range kicker to try a 59-yarder just to tie the game. It was only about 10 yards short.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

JWags85

Quote from: MU82 on November 15, 2023, 08:17:34 AM
I don't think it was mentioned Sunday how gutsy Dan Campbell continues to be with his game management. He knew the Lions needed to score lots of points to beat the Chargers, and he went for it 5 times on 4th down. The Lions converted 4 of them - and they weren't 4th-and-inches plays, either.

His boldest call came with just under 2 minutes left and the game tied at 38. It was fourth-and-2 at the LA 26-yard line, and the Lions could have kicked the go-ahead FG, but instead Campbell went for it - and Goff completed a 6-yard pass to keep the drive going. As a result, the Lions were able to run out the clock and kick the game-winner on the final play.

Had Campbell gone for the first FG attempt - as most (if not all) coaches would have done - Herbert would have had plenty of time and a solid chance to win the game. But the coach trusted Goff & Co. to get at least 2 yards to basically win the game.

Of course, had the gambit failed, Campbell would be getting criticized by some for the decision. But it didn't fail, and this is who Campbell is. From an outside observer - neither a Lions fan nor a Lions hater - it's great stuff.

Couldn't agree more.  They play insanely entertaining football in totality, and much of the vibes come from Campbell himself.  He and McDaniel have been such a refreshing addition to an increasingly stale and formulaic NFL HC collection.  And IMO, his gutsy calls and decision making has been measured and well placed, unlike Staley on the other sideline who often makes "gutsy" calls that are beyond head scratching.

Quote from: tower912 on November 15, 2023, 08:35:59 AM
He knew his defense was a sieve and the only way to win was to hold onto the ball.

The Silver Lining!!!  Not just for West Bend Insurance anymore  ;D

MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 14, 2023, 09:45:04 AM
Yeah, I think they're going to make a change at Offensive Coordinator first.

Good call. Dorsey was selected as Mr. Scapegoat. He had some head-coaching interviews this past offseason IIRC.

Not For Long, indeed.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on November 15, 2023, 09:25:21 AM
Couldn't agree more.  They play insanely entertaining football in totality, and much of the vibes come from Campbell himself.  He and McDaniel have been such a refreshing addition to an increasingly stale and formulaic NFL HC collection.  And IMO, his gutsy calls and decision making has been measured and well placed, unlike Staley on the other sideline who often makes "gutsy" calls that are beyond head scratching.

The thing about Staley is I don't think he makes "gutsy" calls, in the sense he's going by gut instinct or any intuitive sense that might go against the grain. I think he's a robot. He seems to make decisions based on whatever the probabilities tell him, regardless of the game situation or flow. Fourth and 1 is fourth and 1, regardless of the time on the clock, ball location, score, defense, run success in the game, etc. He either has no instincts or doesn't trust the instincts he has.

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on November 15, 2023, 09:32:07 AM
The thing about Staley is I don't think he makes "gutsy" calls, in the sense he's going by gut instinct or any intuitive sense that might go against the grain. I think he's a robot. He seems to make decisions based on whatever the probabilities tell him, regardless of the game situation or flow. Fourth and 1 is fourth and 1, regardless of the time on the clock, ball location, score, defense, run success in the game, etc. He either has no instincts or doesn't trust the instincts he has.

Thats totally fair, hence why i put the quotations around it.  I meant more in the generally accepted sense of gutsy, but I agree.  He's not some gambler, he's on autopilot and it burns him way too often, its pretty remarkable.

MU82

Barring a remarkable turnaround, pretty sure Staley will be gone after the season, right?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: MU82 on November 15, 2023, 10:29:30 AM
Barring a remarkable turnaround, pretty sure Staley will be gone after the season, right?
Get right game this weekend

tower912

#1435
Quote from: JWags85 on November 15, 2023, 09:25:21 AM

The Silver Lining!!!  Not just for West Bend Insurance anymore  ;D

Fact.  Detroit's defense had just given up touchdowns on 5 consecutive possessions.   Campbell acknowledged this and said he trusted his offense more than his defense to make a play at that point.   Not complaining.   Just echoing the coach.

Other than the Seattle loss, Campbell continues to be aggressive with his play calling and continues to go for it on 4th down.   Fun stuff.

Detroit is getting serious as they are signing vets with playoff experience to their practice squad.   

NM: They grabbed an experienced corner.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni


cheebs09

Bengals could be in some trouble for not disclosing a Burrow wrist injury.

MU82

Quote from: cheebs09 on November 17, 2023, 05:54:07 AM
Bengals could be in some trouble for not disclosing a Burrow wrist injury.

That would go along with the Bengals' season definitely being in trouble.

The injury is a damn shame. Burrow is a great QB who is fun to watch, and injuries have ruined his season - and the Bengals' championship hopes.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

PGsHeroes32

Burrow officially done for the year

If Bills dont figure it out fast the Chiefs gonna have a cake walk back to the superbowl.

Injuries blow, no Burrow will now give the Vikes another winnable game in their improbable push for another first round playoff exit.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

tower912

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 17, 2023, 01:56:31 PM
Burrow officially done for the year

If Bills dont figure it out fast the Chiefs gonna have a cake walk back to the superbowl.

Injuries blow, no Burrow will now give the Vikes another winnable game in their improbable push for another first round playoff exit.
Don't sleep on the Ravens.

And of course the Vikings are in the playoff picture.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: tower912 on November 17, 2023, 01:58:43 PM
Don't sleep on the Ravens.

And of course the Vikings are in the playoff picture.

Lamar gonna have to show me something in the playoffs before I wake up
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....


tower912

They are taking advantage of their first amendment freedoms.   And so is he.    And he isn't wrong.   

If you look at this season through the prism of it being a rebuild, then there is definitely reason for optimism down the road.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2023, 07:56:15 AM
They are taking advantage of their first amendment freedoms.   And so is he.    And he isn't wrong.   

If you look at this season through the prism of it being a rebuild, then there is definitely reason for optimism down the road.   

I'm not a fan of the first amendment
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2023, 07:58:18 AM
I'm not a fan of the first amendment

But the second on the other hand...
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

tower912

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2023, 07:58:18 AM
I'm not a fan of the first amendment

....he opines ironically....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2023, 08:34:10 AM
....he opines ironically....

I'm a fan of my first amendment rights
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Herman Cain

Big game for Texans. In playoff contention . Saw CJ Stroud play live and he has a bright future .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

Browns Steelers always a big rivalry game. Today a lot on the line as both  teams are 6-3
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/18/steelers-browns-ravens-afc-north-playoffs/
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst