2024-25 NFL Thread

[The Sultan]

FWIW when his initial set of starts made clear that they had effectively ordered him *not* to throw the ball and then his second season made it seem like they had only barely gained any confidence in a passing game with him, that sent up more red flags than the Chinese navy.

Did I *know* he was bad when he was a rookie? Of course not. But when he got more and more game action and kept looking like a run first, run second, and run third QB, I started to get real skeptical he was ever going to turn into the type of QB that's effective in the NFL.

On Sunday we had a few conversations about Fields that went something like "it's probably impossible to tell what of his current state is on him and what is on the Bears/Coaching. If he had landed on a better organization, had a better OL, had a stable coaching/OC situation, maybe sat his rookie year and worked on all of the stuff that goes into playing NFL-level QB rather than needing to run for his life, who knows..."

Regardless, there's enough of a book out on him now that if I'm the Bears I think long and hard about tanking, cleaning house on the front office and coaching, and starting fresh with Caleb Williams.

That's not the Bear Way.  The Bear Way means you draft the future quarterback, let them play a year with the current coaching staff, only then to clean house and make him learn an entirely new system in year two.

[wadesworld]

Bears would've probably been best off trading both 1 and Fields this past offseason.  There's enough physical talent to talk yourself into Fields as your franchise QB, and I'm not sold on Young as a true franchise QB (mostly concerned with his size).  Stack up a ton of high draft picks, stack your offensive line and defense, and get your QB in next year's draft (or when Arch is available).

Now, unless Fields really turns around this year (which even if he's good, the team around him stinks so it'll be hard to show it) you're getting what for him?  A third or so?

[Jockey]

Spot on. Either ignorant or trying to troll. The national media has, and continues to, speak glowingly about Fields. The actual reality is that Bears fans have soured on Fields faster than anyone else.

Isn't that an indictment of the national media? Why would they speak glowingly of one of the lowest ranked QBs leading the NFLs worst team?

Looking good at the OSU means nothing. I could have good stats throwing to the greatest college WR group ever.

[The Sultan]

I don't think the national media has been speaking glowingly about Fields at all. In fact, most of the coverage I have seen since the the season started has been concerns over his lack of progress.

[WhiteTrash]

I don't think the national media has been speaking glowingly about Fields at all. In fact, most of the coverage I have seen since the the season started has been concerns over his lack of progress.

To be honest, my point of reference is ESPN (TV and radio). They refer to Fields as a "special talent" but the coaching has been terrible.

I'd say the player and coaches has been terrible.

[jesmu84]

I watched this whole thing (on 2x speed).

I hate this team

https://youtu.be/EDSwzJwiXj8?si=1fhM3Ht9RdDBbsfL

[jesmu84]

How many times now has this organization "started over" only to hire a coach before GM or draft a QB before having a coach?

The structure/ownership is terrible and you'll never convince me the organization will have any success until the family is gone

[Jockey]

How many times now has this organization "started over" only to hire a coach before GM or draft a QB before having a coach?

The structure/ownership is terrible and you'll never convince me the organization will have any success until the family is gone

I think this is the most important post here.

I have said several times here that it always starts at the top. And the Bears are rotten from the McCaskey's on down.

[WhiteTrash]

The fact the the Bears are 0-2 is not surprising to me. I expected 1-1 but 0-2 is not crazy bad. The way they have looked is the concerning issue. If a bunch of young players were missing blocks or tackles or dropping balls, I'd feel okay and hopeful they will mature.  The coaches and QB look out of their league. I guess that goes on the GM, who was hired by the owners.

[WhiteTrash]

I think this is the most important post here.

I have said several times here that it always starts at the top. And the Bears are rotten from the McCaskey's on down.

Virginia will never sell.

I predict the Bears will be sold within 12 months of her passing.  There are some unsubstantiated rumors that some wealthy people have passed on buying other organizations in favor of waiting for the Bears to come on the market. If that does come to pass, of course there are no guarantees it will be better.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

[WhiteTrash]

The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

Taysom Hill?

[Jockey]

The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

I assume this is sarcasm.

[wadesworld]

The Bears QB of the future is on the roster. Put Fields at WR and try to see if he is a Tyreek Hill.

Fields is the five tools guy who can't hit a curve ball.  He cannot (or will not) throw to the open spot (versus open man).

Bagent really is that dude huh?

[Jockey]

What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?

He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.

[The Sultan]

What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?

He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.

Eh. Pretty minor. No reason to call it.

[cheebs09]

What has DeShaun Watson accomplished to be allowed to shove an official with zero in-game consequences?

He should have been ejected and suspended, but he doesn't even get a flag.

I thought it looked much worse in real time than it actually was. I don't think it was ejection worthy.

Although, an ejection may have helped the Browns chances.

[StillAWarrior]

I thought it looked much worse in real time than it actually was. I don't think it was ejection worthy.

Although, an ejection may have helped the Browns chances.

He was really bad. He missed a number of passes by 15-20 yards. He was awful.

[forgetful]

He was really bad. He missed a number of passes by 15-20 yards. He was awful.

He was really bad. But he was another example of every QB will look terrible if they are running for their life on every down. Pittsburg was already on him, on almost every play, before he even got to 3 steps on his drop.

Can't have any success as a QB that way.

[Uncle Rico]

Justin Fields stuff

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1704249795810820135?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

[wadesworld]

Justin Fields stuff

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1704249795810820135?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

That second one is BRUTAL.  Even when he doesn't make the first throw and pulls it back, the guy down the seam is still WIDE open all the way through Justin running into the middle of the line for no reason.

[The Sultan]

That second one is BRUTAL.  Even when he doesn't make the first throw and pulls it back, the guy down the seam is still WIDE open all the way through Justin running into the middle of the line for no reason.

https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1704532867013865705?s=20

"Justin Fields acknowledged he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation for why he believes it is that way: "Coaching."

[MU82]

More on the line? More chances of players suffering concussions.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecin.13173?campaign_id=228&emc=edit_pc_20230920&instance_id=103215&nl=peter-coy&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=145235&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

The National Football League's regular-season games are not of equal importance: some games loom larger than others for determining a team's chance to qualify for the playoffs. We develop an incentive-based measure of the impact of winning a game on a team's qualification probability to study the relationship between stakes and injuries. We find teams are 24 percentage points more likely to suffer concussions in games where a win secures one team a playoff berth. This is the first evidence to support the risk-escalation hypothesis that injuries increase with a competition's stakes. We then discuss implications for sports injury prevention.

[WhiteTrash]

https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1704532867013865705?s=20

"Justin Fields acknowledged he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation for why he believes it is that way: "Coaching."

This will not end well.

[WhiteTrash]

The Bears DC quit or got fired?

It like some 60 year old Packer fan has scripted the Bears season.