2024-25 NFL Thread

[tower912]

The only 'mediocrity' I see is the number of back up qbs starting.

[Pakuni]

The only 'mediocrity' I see is the number of back up qbs starting.

Even with all starters healthy, QB play is way down from 10-15 years ago, IMO.

[JWags85]

Even with all starters healthy, QB play is way down from 10-15 years ago, IMO.

Agreed, and I think thats the most compeling argument against expansion right now, whether London/Mexico City or otherwise.  You don't have enough quality starting QBs for the current teams, much less more.

I don't know if its due to the quality of defenses and scouting improving, but QB play, comparatively, is much lower.

[MUBurrow]

Feel wrong not having this conversation over beers three through six, but I think its just depends on whether we're saying "the top guys are more mediocre" or "the middle guys are worse."  The former is probably true because we were spoiled by a once-a-generation top tier 10-15 years ago. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees are all time greats, with Rivers, Roethlisberger, and in a "only super bowls matter" way, Eli, close behind.  Only Mahomes looks to be in that tier today. Its hard to see Herbert, Hurts, Allen ever reaching that level.

But assuming the bottom 1/3 of QBs are always more or less equally crapty, that leaves QBs 6-20 to gauge the quality of the position.  There, I think your Tua, Kirk, Goff, Dak are more or less comparable to the Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco types of a decade ago.

[tower912]

OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24.   Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?





I say extend Goff.

[GB Warrior]

OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24.   Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?

I say extend Goff.

You have to. Hooker is older than Love...not to say that he can't develop, but like Love, did not come from a pro style offense and will need time.

A funny hypothesis I saw on Twitter: would the Rams and Lions consider a deal for Stafford?

[tower912]

Stafford would excel with this coordinator, this line, this running game, and these receivers.   He had decent receivers but nothing else while he was in Detroit However, that ship has sailed.   Too old, too banged up after years of abuse.

[JWags85]

OK, prisoner of the moment hair trigger types, Goff's contract is up at the end of 24.   Extend him or turn the reins over to Hooker?





I say extend Goff.

I agree.  Is he a top 5 QB?  No.  Is he good enough to get you to a Super Bowl?  He already did once and he's a better QB now than he was back then.  His accuracy numbers are good, Bears game aside he doesn't throw a bunch of picks, and he fits into this offense well.

[HutchwasClutch]

I agree.  Is he a top 5 QB?  No.  Is he good enough to get you to a Super Bowl?  He already did once and he's a better QB now than he was back then.  His accuracy numbers are good, Bears game aside he doesn't throw a bunch of picks, and he fits into this offense well.

Lions could do worse than Goff, which is testimony to how lousy qb play has become around the league more than anything.  Improved yes, but still very mistake prone.  Fumbles go against qb's too and the three yesterday were very preventable and had huge impact on the outcome.   

I'd be looking elsewhere if I'm Detroit.  Goff is ultimately going to let a team down.  There's a reason LAR reached a Super Bowl with him and traded him for Stafford. Without question the right decision. 

[tower912]

Del Rio is now on the market.

[MU82]

If I were Detroit, I'd love to get somebody better than Goff, but these kinds of decisions aren't made in a vacuum.

Who better than Goff is likely to be available?

If healthy, Cousins would be the most talented by far. But what has he ever won? (I guess the same could be said about Stafford a few years ago - needed to get to a new team to win.)

Fields? Mayfield? Mac Jones? Winston? Would any of those be better for the Lions than Goff?

Hell, maybe Detroit could get Stafford back!

[tower912]

Who better than Goff is likely to be available?

The correct answer.

[MUBurrow]

If I were Detroit, I'd love to get somebody better than Goff, but these kinds of decisions aren't made in a vacuum.

Who better than Goff is likely to be available?

If healthy, Cousins would be the most talented by far. But what has he ever won? (I guess the same could be said about Stafford a few years ago - needed to get to a new team to win.)

Fields? Mayfield? Mac Jones? Winston? Would any of those be better for the Lions than Goff?

Hell, maybe Detroit could get Stafford back!

Totally agree 82 - and anyone that would be assuredly better than Goff would also be more expensive.  Tua is coming up on his second contract, and there is a lot of risk there both in terms of injury and that I think McDaniels + Tyreek have saved his career and made him look better than the system guy he is.  Is Dak worth swapping for Goff? Barring injury Lawrence will get his huge extension and so won't be on the table.

[Uncle Rico]

Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.

Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers

[Jockey]

Apparently the Jets offense is even worse playing defense than they are playing offense - if that's possible.

[Uncle Rico]

Apparently the Jets offense is even worse playing defense than they are playing offense - if that's possible.

The shot of Rodgers before the XP was priceless

[Uncle Rico]

Jets bringing Boyle in because he's friends with Rodgers is paying off handsomely today. 

Randall Cobb has been invisible, too.

[forgetful]

Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.

Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers

At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.

[cheebs09]

At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.

Well, they could be stuck with him if Rodgers wants him back.

[HutchwasClutch]

At least Randall Cobb only signed a 1-year contract, they are pretty much stuck with Lazard until 2025-26 season.

I'd take any of the Packers top 4 receivers- Watson, Doubs, Reed, and Wicks in a heartbeat over Lazard.  Lazard is a pretty good player, but he's already at his ceiling IMO. 

[GB Warrior]

I'd take any of the Packers top 4 receivers- Watson, Doubs, Reed, and Wicks in a heartbeat over Lazard.  Lazard is a pretty good player, but he's already at his ceiling IMO.

Imo, Malik Heath will be Lazard before too long

[CreightonWarrior]

Allen Lazard and his 4-year, $44 million deal is a healthy scratch today but Randall Cobb is back in the lineup.

Good news, bad news for the Jets GM, Aaron Rodgers

The entire packers WR room is making less combined than Lazard this season

[HutchwasClutch]

Imo, Malik Heath will be Lazard before too long

Forgot about Heath, he can play too.

[Herman Cain]

Jags able to eke out a victory over Divisional rival Texans. Lawrence vs Stroud going to be a fun matchup in the coming years . Jags move to 8-3

[Herman Cain]

Falcons claw Saints and move into first place tie with New Orleans in NFC South at 5-6. South is possibly the worst division in NFL