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Title: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 23, 2018, 12:57:57 PM
I know this thread might not be for everyone, and didn’t want to confuse this thread for when people ask questions about specific destinations, which usually leads to really great and detailed info.

I know there’s folks on here that travel a lot, so figured this could be about airports/hotels/reward programs/tips/frustrations, stuff like that.

With that said, I flew in and out of Lambert for the first time (typically I’ll just make the drive from Chicago), but Lambert could use a new coat of paint. Maybe a couple of coats. Albeit a long time ago, for a former hub, I was surprised by how outdated it is.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
I last flew in/out of Lambert in 25 years ago and I recall nothing about it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on March 23, 2018, 03:35:15 PM
OK, here's a start from someone who's already done 91k miles this year.

Airports that Suck:
Miami
LHR
LAX
Moscow Shermetyevo
Beijing
everything in Australia except Melbourne
Bangkok
Phuket
KLIA
Narita T1
Las Vegas
Dubai
Charles DeGaulle

airports I barely tolerate:
IAH
ORD
Incheon
Melbourne
JNB
Jakarta
Narita T2
PHX
DEN
Abu Dhabi
Newcastle
Denpasar (Bali)
Midway
ATL

good airports:
SIN
HKG
Vienna
Capetown
MKE
Tokyo Haneda
Tucson
Doha
AMS
Manchester

Updated with a few more I've used recently.



Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on March 23, 2018, 05:27:46 PM
I was just in Lambert this week too. Down there about every 6 weeks or so - it's a dump. I mean it's not LGA hot pile of garbage bad - but it's really bad.

Favorite airports have to be AMS & MUC.

GRU in Sao Paulo isn't bad for a South American airport. AUK isn't too bad either. Narita > Haneda. DUS is a convenient place to directly get Europe from ORD. 

Echo the statements above regarding Beijing and Australia being subpar. I would throw the Shanghai airports on their too - nothing special. This goes for a lot travel in mainland China. Mexico City is a pain as well. Rio isn't that great.

As for alliances - what is everyone's choice? I was 1K on United for a few years but a new job doesn't have me going overseas as much anymore so I am now just grinding out Gold. Was thinking about switching to another international star alliance carrier to get gold easier but wasn't sure if I should.

Also, a while back someone mentioned Briggs & Riley luggage. Good lord that person needs a high five. I love my bag. I had to get my wife one so she would stop stealing mine. I won't buy another brand ever again.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 23, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
I just bought a piece of luggage .. the $120 model will do just fine.  Serious q, Briggs & Riley seems to be $300-600.  What makes it 3x better? 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 23, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
don't know how you guys do it...i get stiff and a little outta wack and constipated enough after a 3-4 hour flight and a 2 hour time change.  mke to las or phx via southwest in line anywhere from #1-5 or so, hello exit row window seat with no one in front of me and i'm good to go baby
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 23, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
IAH Terminal C is the bomb.

Frankfort is the worst. Prefer to connect through Düsseldorf. Narita a close second for dump.

Zurich is prime.

Agree on Hong Kong. 

Rome, Paris DeGaule crazy.

Absolute best airport is Dublin.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on March 24, 2018, 01:20:39 AM
IAH Terminal C is the bomb.

Overall this is true. But the best restaurant in the whole place is in Terminal A. Breakfast Klub. The Wings and Waffles will change your life. Wings and Grits not so bad either. The actual location in Houston is better but the airport locations are still top notch airport food.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 24, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
I was just in Lambert this week too. Down there about every 6 weeks or so - it's a dump. I mean it's not LGA hot pile of garbage bad - but it's really bad.

Favorite airports have to be AMS & MUC.

GRU in Sao Paulo isn't bad for a South American airport. AUK isn't too bad either. Narita > Haneda. DUS is a convenient place to directly get Europe from ORD. 

Echo the statements above regarding Beijing and Australia being subpar. I would throw the Shanghai airports on their too - nothing special. This goes for a lot travel in mainland China. Mexico City is a pain as well. Rio isn't that great.

As for alliances - what is everyone's choice? I was 1K on United for a few years but a new job doesn't have me going overseas as much anymore so I am now just grinding out Gold. Was thinking about switching to another international star alliance carrier to get gold easier but wasn't sure if I should.

Also, a while back someone mentioned Briggs & Riley luggage. Good lord that person needs a high five. I love my bag. I had to get my wife one so she would stop stealing mine. I won't buy another brand ever again.

That’s funny what you said about Lambert and LGA, because that was my immediate thought that Lambert was the LGA of the Midwest.

I too grind out Gold on United each year. I’m on pace for this year to get to 1K (I’ll have 40 segments in by end of next week). I don’t business travel internationally though.

Marriott platinum, and I use the SPG Amex. Converting the SPG points 1:3 to Marriott is one of the best deals out there. I’ll use my Marriott Chase for hotels, but the SPG Amex for everything else.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 24, 2018, 09:30:52 AM
LGA is a complete mess right now but should be greatly improved when the major overhaul and rebuild is done.
I missed a flight at LGA in the fall due to the mess.  I haven't parked in LongTerm parking since.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 24, 2018, 09:42:45 AM
LGA is a complete mess right now but should be greatly improved when the major overhaul and rebuild is done.
I missed a flight at LGA in the fall due to the mess.  I haven't parked in LongTerm parking since.

I’m curious, being in CT, what’s your main airport of choice. Obviously would depend if you’re closer to Hartford or not. Plenty of options though in your neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 24, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
It's exactly a 1h drive to Bradley-Hartford, 1h15m to LGA (add and hour if rush hour) and 1h35m to JFK.  I try to pick flights away from rush hour.
It's all about the points and I fly Delta so I've been using LGA lately.  Hartford tends to be slightly more expensive and you usually have to transfer flights somewhere.  LGA has more flight choices and also direct flights. I usually price both out.  Parking is way cheaper in Hartford so I usually throw that in the equation.   
JFK is for international and it has the Air Train connection, so I have the train connection option from home.  (I'm stuck on a Metro North train in the Bronx at the moment as trains to/ from Grand Central are delayed for a "police investigation at 125th Street).  The Air Train is coming to LGA, construction of it is part if the current LGA mess. 
20/25 years ago I would have also considered White Plains, NY but they have less choices than Hartford and they jacked the prices up.   
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
Haven't been to Lambert since I was a frequent flyer on Ozark and then TWA. Yeah, that's been a few years. Several that stand out within the past 10-15 years:

Just Bad:
LGA, JFK, EWR
Dulles
Honolulu (people tolerate it because they're in paradise)
Rome
London Heathrow

Decent by US Standards
ATL
PHX
JAX
DEN (not counting the awful location)
SEA
DCA (dated, but bonus points for convenience)

Good by US Standards
DTW (which replaced my least favorite airport of all time)
MSP

Decent by International Standards
CDG
London Gatwick
Incheon
NRT

Great
SIN
AMS

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 24, 2018, 01:13:12 PM
Haven't been to Lambert since I was a frequent flyer on Ozark and then TWA. Yeah, that's been a few years. Several that stand out within the past 10-15 years:

Just Bad:
LGA, JFK, EWR
Dulles
Honolulu (people tolerate it because they're in paradise)
Rome
London Heathrow

Decent by US Standards
ATL
PHX
JAX
DEN (not counting the awful location)
SEA
DCA (dated, but bonus points for convenience)

Good by US Standards
DTW (which replaced my least favorite airport of all time)
MSP

Decent by International Standards
CDG
London Gatwick
Incheon
NRT

Great
SIN
AMS

One interesting aspect is what airline you fly into a specific airport. Sky Harbor is a great example, as Terminal 2 (United) is terrible, but if you go to the Southwest Terminal, it’s great, totally different experience.

I also knock down PHX for the 10 minute drive to the car rental facility.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2018, 01:50:58 PM
One interesting aspect is what airline you fly into a specific airport. Sky Harbor is a great example, as Terminal 2 (United) is terrible, but if you go to the Southwest Terminal, it’s great, totally different experience.

I also knock down PHX for the 10 minute drive to the car rental facility.

Good point - that's just a crazy downgrade from how it used to work. From luggage to car used to be 5 minutes total; now it's about 30.

And the specific airline issue as well.  In some airports, the experience is equally good or bad regardless of the airline.  In others, the difference can be night and day.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 24, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
What's wrong with Heathrow out of curiosity? I flew into Heathrow and Gatwick and much preferred Heathrow.

Reykjavic was my least favorite. Only had one person scanning tickets and it took a hour to board because you needed to take a bus to the plane.

Dublin was my favorite. Easy to navigate, and nice new renovations.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2018, 03:35:44 PM
What's wrong with Heathrow out of curiosity? I flew into Heathrow and Gatwick and much preferred Heathrow.

Reykjavic was my least favorite. Only had one person scanning tickets and it took a hour to board because you needed to take a bus to the plane.

Dublin was my favorite. Easy to navigate, and nice new renovations.

Which terminal in Heathrow? I think this is another good example of which airline/terminal you use at a given airport.

I have flown in and out of T4 several times, and it's crowded, disorganized and immigration takes forever. On one outbound flight, several gates were very close together and it was complete chaos. An overhead announcement was made for our flight to MSP so we got into a long line. We were halfway down the jetbridge when an airport employee told us that the MSP announcement was an error, and that the plane we almost boarded was headed to Accra. So about half of the people (us included) headed back up the jetbridge just in time to make it onto our actual flight out (from an adjacent gate that had been mislabeled). Oh...and some T4 departures require you to take a bus to your plane.  ;)

I have heard the newer British Airways T5 is much better.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 24, 2018, 04:29:32 PM
The bizarrest thing outside an airport is next to the Cleveland car rental park.  There is a "ghost" neighborhood with streets, stop signs, fire hydrants, ornamental trees around where a house used to be.  Everything but houses.

I like Amsterdam and Hong Kong also.  Like Amsterdam, are there any other airports with casinos in them besides Las Vegas?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 24, 2018, 04:39:48 PM
MKE is underated. Peninsula first, Fairmont second, aina?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 24, 2018, 06:06:45 PM
One interesting aspect is what airline you fly into a specific airport. Sky Harbor is a great example, as Terminal 2 (United) is terrible, but if you go to the Southwest Terminal, it’s great, totally different experience.

I also knock down PHX for the 10 minute drive to the car rental facility.

absolutely right on!  i do anything but terminal 4(s.w.) it's a whole different world for me
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2018, 06:11:45 PM
MKE is underated. Peninsula first, Fairmont second, aina?

Always wanted to try a Peninsula (ideally Hong Kong) and get picked up at the airport in a Rolls. Bucket list.

Fairmont is really nice and I like Ritz-Carlton too, but the nicest "chain" hotel I've stayed in is the Mandarin Oriental in Singapore. Probably helped that we booked a club level room so we had lounge access and a special concierge. We also splurged on a Mercedes limo pickup. Was gonna try Raffles, but I would have had to sell a kidney.....
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2018, 06:39:01 PM
Always wanted to try a Peninsula (ideally Hong Kong) and get picked up at the airport in a Rolls. Bucket list.

Fairmont is really nice and I like Ritz-Carlton too, but the nicest "chain" hotel I've stayed in is the Mandarin Oriental in Singapore. Probably helped that we booked a club level room so we had lounge access and a special concierge. We also splurged on a Mercedes limo pickup. Was gonna try Raffles, but I would have had to sell a kidney.....

You are supposed to say "Mandarin Asian" now.   ;)

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 24, 2018, 06:56:45 PM
How are you dudes not including MKE in your rankings?

And a shout-out to Rockford International.  Flew out of there once, best experience ever.  You park about 100 feet from the door, there's like 4 gates and one luggage carousel. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
How are you dudes not including MKE in your rankings?

And a shout-out to Rockford International.  Flew out of there once, best experience ever.  You park about 100 feet from the door, there's like 4 gates and one luggage carousel.

MKE rocks.

Rarely busy, TSA is always a breeze, and the only airport with a designated Recombobulation area.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2018, 08:58:40 PM
You are supposed to say "Mandarin Asian" now.   ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on March 24, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Hotels:

Best chain hotel - especially if you live in Asia - Shangri La.  Mandarin Oriental is inconsistent from city to city. Peninsula of course is great, but really too expensive for my budget. 

I'm Marriott lifetime Platinum, SPG Platinum and stick to those most of the time.  Depends on city and location, but I find that Marriott has something that meets my needs almost everywhere except Australia. 

Marriott and SPG platinum upgrades are really nice. 

Worst chain:  Hyatt.  Horrible room design, not friendly.

Honorable Mention:  Radisson.  Lots of nice new properties, especially outside the USA.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on March 24, 2018, 10:51:31 PM
How are you dudes not including MKE in your rankings?

And a shout-out to Rockford International.  Flew out of there once, best experience ever.  You park about 100 feet from the door, there's like 4 gates and one luggage carousel.

Expense is one downside of MKE, and flight availability.  Great little airport, but airports that are like that usually a result of less flights which means more expensive flights on average.  When my wife and I lived in Milwaukee years ago and Midwest Express was there, what a great experience. 

Dealing with O'Hare sucks, but cost of flights are better. 


Other airports I recommend that sometimes can save you money because multiple options in a city, but also more limited schedules and I have run into more expensive flights, too.   

Love Field over DFW in Dallas.  Oakland instead of San Francisco.  Long Beach over Los Angeles.  Ft. Lauderdale over Miami.  Colorado Springs instead of Denver.  Providence instead of Boston.  Hobby instead of Bush in Houston.  BMI instead of Dulles. Mesa instead of Sky Harbor in Phoenix.


Marriott Platinum Elite member, never had an issue anywhere in the USA.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on March 24, 2018, 11:08:45 PM
Airlines:
Note that this comes from the perspective of someone who flies only business/first.  I've been lucky from a work perspective since about age 25 to fly business except on regional flights when it just isn't available.  For leisure, I believe the vacation starts when you leave for the airport, so I fly only business.  That being said, I always choose only the cheapest business class and have no loyalty to anything except my wallet.  Even with that philosophy, I'm platinum on American (lifetime), S7, and Qatar and gold on SQ, Aeroflot and Delta.

Airlines that Suck:
All USA based airlines
BA
Aeroflot (45 pax to 1 toilet in Business!)
Emirates
Malaysian
Turkish
Air Asia (never had an on time flight)
Air France
All Chinese airlines

Airlines I'll tolerate:
S7
Thai
Korean - Actually good unless the guy next to you orders Kimchi
Qantas
KLM
China Airlines (Taipei)

The good ones:
ANA
JAL
Austrian
Lufthansa
Asiana

The best:
Singapore Air - the best by far.
Qatar
Cathay
Garuda Indonesia
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 24, 2018, 11:28:52 PM
Which terminal in Heathrow? I think this is another good example of which airline/terminal you use at a given airport.

I have flown in and out of T4 several times, and it's crowded, disorganized and immigration takes forever. On one outbound flight, several gates were very close together and it was complete chaos. An overhead announcement was made for our flight to MSP so we got into a long line. We were halfway down the jetbridge when an airport employee told us that the MSP announcement was an error, and that the plane we almost boarded was headed to Accra. So about half of the people (us included) headed back up the jetbridge just in time to make it onto our actual flight out (from an adjacent gate that had been mislabeled). Oh...and some T4 departures require you to take a bus to your plane.  ;)

I have heard the newer British Airways T5 is much better.

Agreed.  I fly out of Terminal 2, the Queens Terminal, with United and its rather nice.  Clean, modern, the "TSA" is actually helpful and friendly, albeit stricter than most.  Probably my favorite United lounge that Ive encountered abroad.

LGA obviously sucks, but the Delta terminal is far nicer.

HKG lives up to all that has been said here. 

BOM in India is brand new and quite nice in a lot of ways.   No special brand specific lounges, but executive lounges with plenty of space, very nice bathrooms and excellent food.

BRU is fantastically efficient save for one 2-3 international flights land and they only have 1 non EU customs agent on duty.  Easily the fastest non-domestic TSA pre check from check in to gate that Ive experienced regularly.

I'm United 1K.  Definitely still the carrier of choice if you're traveling long haul international and you're not springing for the Etihad/Emirates/Qatar/Cathay tier.  My 6 business class upgrades annually make the status more than worthwhile.  I usually eclipse most of my other business travel friends in miles significantly, but they kill me in segments.  But I usually only travel once every 5-6 weeks, but thats usually to HK or India, if not Europe, with NY in between.

Any other United regulars flying on routes with the upgraded Polaris business?  I looked at the map and see that everything out of ORD for the most part is going to be the last to be upgraded, which pisses me off.  But not surprising given 90% of my LHR to ORD flights are on super dated POS planes that don't have in seat power and still have the ancient 4 channel closed circuit TV entertainment.

I sometimes get Lufthansa flights depending on route given the Star Alliance connection.  Love it, night and day compared to US airlines even on simple economy.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 24, 2018, 11:55:02 PM
Polaris seems to really be hit or miss. I go to SFO about every other month and sometimes will catch the 777 out of ORD to SFO and get the upgrade to Polaris, and it’s not impressive. Granted it’s only 4 hours, but the cabin didn’t have a wow factor. I’d be curious of people taking long hauls on Polaris and thumbs up or thumbs down.

Agreed that HGK is the best airport I’ve ever been to. I don’t know if most people include Hong Kong as a bucket list city, but especially if you love London (my favorite city), the British footprint will forever be a part of Hong Kong, and it’s just an amazing city.

The sole trip I took to HGK was first class on Singapore Air out of SFO, best airline experience I’ve ever had.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 25, 2018, 11:27:43 AM
Polaris seems to really be hit or miss. I go to SFO about every other month and sometimes will catch the 777 out of ORD to SFO and get the upgrade to Polaris, and it’s not impressive. Granted it’s only 4 hours, but the cabin didn’t have a wow factor. I’d be curious of people taking long hauls on Polaris and thumbs up or thumbs down.

Agreed that HGK is the best airport I’ve ever been to. I don’t know if most people include Hong Kong as a bucket list city, but especially if you love London (my favorite city), the British footprint will forever be a part of Hong Kong, and it’s just an amazing city.

The sole trip I took to HGK was first class on Singapore Air out of SFO, best airline experience I’ve ever had.

The issue is United calls all business/first "Polaris" when its a fraction of their fleet.  So you're likely just riding the old business class cabin, and I'll agree.  While its great compared to economy, its really not that impressive of an offering.

As for HK, 10000% agree.  First time I went to HK it blew my mind.  Its a marvel of a city in a number of ways, but British touches and sensibilities in a tropical setting really make it extra crazy (London is also my fav city).  Talking to people like my father who have been traveling there for 25+ years, makes me sad I couldn't have experienced it pre-handover to China.  I love it now, but you ask people Westerners or ex-pats who were there prior, and they bemoan all the changes, I imagine it was even more like Europe.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 25, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
How are you dudes not including MKE in your rankings?

And a shout-out to Rockford International.  Flew out of there once, best experience ever.  You park about 100 feet from the door, there's like 4 gates and one luggage carousel.

my question as well, except the more i thought about-mke vs. all the other internationals?  that's why mke for the most part will always be fairly stress free to fly in/out of.

     i've got to find a different long term parking facility though.  the super-saver ain't that anymore.  plus they are always the last van to stroll through for pick-ups.  anyone do the wally-park or marriot?  i mean "super-saver is up to $8.00/day with sshmitty service.  i'd gladly pay a little more for better more reliable service
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 25, 2018, 04:20:34 PM
my question as well, except the more i thought about-mke vs. all the other internationals?  that's why mke for the most part will always be fairly stress free to fly in/out of.

     i've got to find a different long term parking facility though.  the super-saver ain't that anymore.  plus they are always the last van to stroll through for pick-ups.  anyone do the wally-park or marriot?  i mean "super-saver is up to $8.00/day with sshmitty service.  i'd gladly pay a little more for better more reliable service

MKE is a fantastic experience in terms of speed.  Since I moved back to the MKE area about 3 months ago, Ive flown out 5-6 times and have yet to see more than 1 person in front of me in TSA pre-check.  So thats nice.  But flight options are pretty limited or pricey, even to somewhere like NY, so that kind of sucks.

I use FastPark, bit closer than WallPark.  $7 a day, they now valet on drop off, and have multiple shuttles running so Ive never really waited.  Its nice.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 25, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
MKE is a fantastic experience in terms of speed.  Since I moved back to the MKE area about 3 months ago, Ive flown out 5-6 times and have yet to see more than 1 person in front of me in TSA pre-check.  So thats nice.  But flight options are pretty limited or pricey, even to somewhere like NY, so that kind of sucks.

I use FastPark, bit closer than WallPark.  $7 a day, they now valet on drop off, and have multiple shuttles running so Ive never really waited.  Its nice.

thanks wags!  i've seen fastpark quite a bit.  i like the valet thing and it actually looks closer than super-saver, especially if they move ya all the way down to lot B.  i think we give fastpark a try next
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on March 25, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
I actually was at a dinner party last night and for some reason the subject of airports came up.

The guy I was talking to most was really talkin' up MSP.

I haven't lived in Minny since 1994, and I haven't flown into the airport there since 2008, so I'm not one to judge. That last time, I remember thinking it was nice that they had the train now, but otherwise it didn't make me go, "Wow, what an airport!"

Sounds like some stuff has been done there in the years since to make it a good one.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 26, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
You're good doe, gotta wait 5 years ta judge anyways, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 26, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
I feel for you guys that live on the road. I don't think I could have done it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 26, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
I feel for you guys that live on the road. I don't think I could have done it.

I did a lot of it for several years, but haven't had a single biz trip since about 2012.

It was really exciting for the first couple of years (NWA then Delta Platinum Elite, Marriott Rewards status, constant upgrades, etc), but then it got old. After about five years, the only thing I enjoyed anymore was the fact that we got perks even on family vacations. The entire family got upgrades on a several international flights, and we once used Marriott Rewards points for a free week in two adjoining club-level rooms at the JW Marriott in Seoul.

My fav moment was when my daughter (then about 8 or so) went with me when we were called to the ticket counter just before boarding for a flight to Paris. We had all been bumped up to Biz, so my daughter went running back to my wife screaming "mom, we're all going to be in first class!!!"

It was fun for a while, but I don't miss it a bit.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2018, 10:03:05 AM
JWags

HK was a fantastic city and still is a very good one, IMO. I have been traveling there since 1985 and my family had an office there from 1992 to 2001. The handover definitely changed the city, but not so much the flair of the city. Two things have influenced the changes in HK, the influx of local Chinese and the wealth factor. To me, HK changed when they started hiring Chinese, over HK natives, in the service area. HK is service driven city and the hotels, even The Penisula, lost some of the upper end service it was known for.

The local Chinese brought their customs, styles to HK and it really is the exact opposite of what HK folks represent. We have had HK staff working our family from 1992, and still do, and they hate how the local Chinese act and their behavior. Major, major difference between HK folks and those from 50 miles to the north.

As for the wealth factor, the old money HK have a unique style and stems from the Brits influence. New rich Chinese roll into HK on the weekend with paper bags full of cash to hit the LV and jewelry stores and pisses off the locals. HK people are extremely proud of their city and not anything like the new rich Chinese.

All that said, IMO, unless you visited HK often prior to the handover, you would not notice the changes. To me, the veneer of HK remains the same, only the intangibles have changed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 26, 2018, 12:25:19 PM
JWags

HK was a fantastic city and still is a very good one, IMO. I have been traveling there since 1985 and my family had an office there from 1992 to 2001. The handover definitely changed the city, but not so much the flair of the city. Two things have influenced the changes in HK, the influx of local Chinese and the wealth factor. To me, HK changed when they started hiring Chinese, over HK natives, in the service area. HK is service driven city and the hotels, even The Penisula, lost some of the upper end service it was known for.

The local Chinese brought their customs, styles to HK and it really is the exact opposite of what HK folks represent. We have had HK staff working our family from 1992, and still do, and they hate how the local Chinese act and their behavior. Major, major difference between HK folks and those from 50 miles to the north.

As for the wealth factor, the old money HK have a unique style and stems from the Brits influence. New rich Chinese roll into HK on the weekend with paper bags full of cash to hit the LV and jewelry stores and pisses off the locals. HK people are extremely proud of their city and not anything like the new rich Chinese.

All that said, IMO, unless you visited HK often prior to the handover, you would not notice the changes. To me, the veneer of HK remains the same, only the intangibles have changed.

Appreciate the perspective.  And it matches a lot of what Ive heard in some ways.  The majority of my customers and people I interact with in HK are traditional Hong Kong-ese and def have the unique British influenced style.  The Chinese in service industries Ive noticed, especially as I get more and more interactions where either English isn't spoken, or they purposefully don't want to speak English.

One example that multiple people have bemoaned is the change of the waterfront in Kowloon.  From all the bars and restaurants along the water that are now gone and replaced by Chinese governmental buildings and a "park" which completely obscure most of that prime area.

All in all, I still love the city, its absolutely bucket list.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 26, 2018, 05:05:51 PM
I do about 110,000 miles a year on  United and 35,000 assorted other airlines. All domestic. Million miler and at least Gold for the rest of my life. Best part about a million miler on United is that my wife has my 1K status too.  Like some others in here, I tend to fly first and business class.

United is like an old suit. Still fits and feels good. But you know it's a bit ragged and those lapels -- geez! Their first class has deteriorated over the years and they tend to forget who pays the bills. Sad thing is once upon a time, United/American/Delta stood for something.  Now they're trying to out Southwest Southwest.

I can hardly wait until they try to out-do Spirit or Allegiant!

Some of my favorites and avoidances:

Favorite Airports:

1) Chicago -- What can I say, it's home. I tend not to have problems with O'Hare, unless we land on 10-28 Right and the taxi is longer than the drive home. The United Clubs are OK and the Admirals Club is good. Rarely have trouble finding a place to work. Well organized. One of the few  things in Chicago that works.

2) SEA-TAC  -- On a clear day, the views from the main terminal to the Olympic Peninsula are to die for. People are friendly. The place works. Rarely are there delays. Walks can be a bit long and I swear the rental cars are in Portland or Vancouver but otherwise a great place to fly into and out of.

3) Houston Interco -- Sorry gang, I like the place. I go through Interco regularly when I fly out of MCO and its just not that bad an airport. A bit of a walk at times, but not unreasonable. Good barbecue too.

4) MKE -- Chick is right on this one. Just wish they had more flights to more places I need to go.

Places I hate:

1) BOS -- Run by Massport. Need I say more?

2) MCO -- 10 gazillion people who have never flown before cramming through security wanting to know why they can take contraband aboard. If you don't have TSA pre (I do), count on at least an hour in security. This is my winter home airport. The airline people are nice, but this place can be a mess. Inadequate parking means you'll often end up in a satellite lot somewhere near Daytona Beach.

3) Twin Cities International -- Security personnel here suck. Like Lambert in St. Louis, look for some goofy TSA agent to come up with a way to harass you so he can justify keeping his job.

4) Denver -- DIA is what happens when you mix bailing out struggling real estate developers with public works experts that have no idea what they're doing. This airport is somewhere just east of the Kansas/Colorado line. It's easier to get to downtown Chicago from O'Hare (or Milwaukee for that matter) than it is to get into Denver from DIA. The Satanic followers who built this place forgot that people come to Denver to go skiiing, not to enjoy the unique characteristics of the Colorado flatlands. The folks that did this went from airports to designing Soldier Field. I swear both are about as goofy. On United, the gate staff are incompetent and unfeeling.

5) LGA -- A hell hole. Will be under construction until after I'm dead and still not have anywhere near enough airside aprons and runways to serve demand. Should have been shut down after 9/11.

I'll lay out some hotels and some stories in future posts.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 26, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
One of the things I note is the prevalence of very infrequent flyers when evaluating an airport.  I swear, 80% of the passengers on my frequent flight to LAS haven't been on a plane in at least 2 years.  I chalk it up to being simply part of the process.  MCO suffers from the same issue.

dgies, is it United for you based on your non-stop capability?  I fully understand why regular business travelers go with a legacy for things like clubs and first class seats.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
jsglow

That is a big pet peeve of mine. It seems every time I get on a flight to China the person next to me is in frequent flyer and wants to ask a million questions. Unlike here on Scoop, I have ZERO interest in talking to anyone on a 16 hour flight. Only thing that frustrates more, is when people at home want to ask me a million questions regarding Asia.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 26, 2018, 05:38:54 PM
One of the things I note is the prevalence of very infrequent flyers when evaluating an airport.  I swear, 80% of the passengers on my frequent flight to LAS haven't been on a plane in at least 2 years.  I chalk it up to being simply part of the process.  MCO suffers from the same issue.

dgies, is it United for you based on your non-stop capability?  I fully understand why regular business travelers go with a legacy for things like clubs and first class seats.

Glow:

You have never seen anything until you see the security lines at MCO! Not a regular at Vegas, but I never seen anything as bad as MCO. And there's nothing they can do to fix that.

I've flown United since my honeymoon back in 1980. I've been Mileage Plus since 1984 and elite level since 1987. The loyalty, I can say, has been a two-way street. I've been to Hawaii and Europe more times than I can count because of Mileage Plus!

My loyalty to United stems from a 1997 incident  in which the entire airline was mobilized to get me home. My daughter was adopted from Belarus and we had to go during high season to Europe (June to September). Trying to find a seat was virtually impossible. Since I was a 1K and we were bringing home a young girl who had never been out of an orphanage, we were shooting for international first class.

They "found" us three international first class seats from Amsterdam to London and Chicago. I say "found" because they pulled three revenue seats for us to get us home. The people at United could not have been more accommodating, more appreciative of me as a frequent flyer or, frankly, more caring. A month later, I was in Denver coming home when the lead flight attendant pulled me aside and asked, "how's Tracy?" I asked her, "how on earth do you know who Tracy is?" She looked back at me and said, "your wife was in 1C, Tracy was in 1D and you were in 1E, London to Chicago, United 959, a month ago. Some people, we never forget..."

We've had other incredible moments on United over the years. Yeah, sometimes they really suck especially when Commander Jeff was at the controls, but they try hard.  They really do

Their non-stops help, but their service from MCO is good too.

Goose:

I make a really concerted effort when I fly to read the person next to me. I'll always say hello and from time to time chat. But the secret is to know when to go about your business.  I've sat next to some fascinating people. Gary Fencick of the Super Bowl Chicago Bears and former Governor James Thompson immediately come to mind.

But if they signal they don't want to talk, I'll go about my business. And, if I get a chatterer, I'll take out my Bose noise cancelling headphones and listen to something for an hour.

If I ever sit next to you, I'll say hello and then put my headphones on.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Babybluejeans on March 26, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Worst domestic airports: LGA is truly atrocious. On Thursday it took me an hour to leave the airport - and that doesn't even factor in the 30 minutes I spent eating at the Centurion Lounge. Horrible place. EWR is pretty crappy too if you're not flying out of Terminal C. MCI sucks with their poor design requiring separate security at each gate. MIA is a dump and the A.C. is always cranked too cold.

Favorite domestic airports: DCA (b/c everything is close), SFO, and somehow, Indianapolis! LAS, SEA, and Jackson Hole are up there too.

Favorite int'l business classes: JAL, if you get the SkySuites. Better than int'l first class on 99% of other airlines. Love the service on Thai, even if the product can be outdated. And I've loved every trip on Turkish, especially if you get a few hours in the Turkish Lounge in Istanbul (which is an oasis in a nightmare airport). KLM and Lufthansa for the pretty FAs. U.S.-based airlines, I'll take AA refurbed 777 or Delta One. And I'll admit I'm a total sucker for BA's 747 upper deck, even if the hard product is poop. I feel like I'm on a private jet in another era. I'll even take that over BA first class, which is basically business class on every other airline. 

Worst int'l business classes: United 777-200, TAP Portugal (service, dear god), BA non-747 upper deck. And of course any intra-Europe flight on a non-widebody.

Seems like there are some United flyers on here. I switched over from AA to United after moving to Denver. Are people generally pleased with it? I noticed my upgrade % has dropped from AA, likely because Denver is a hub. But otherwise my experience has been that it's totally fine...yet everyone I know complains about it. Is that a non-elite flyer thing? Or have I just not gotten the Real United experience yet?



 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on March 26, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
MSP has the worst security lines in my experience. I don't fly often but the lines at MSP always seem to take at least 25 minutes
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2018, 06:35:50 PM
dgies

The million mile companion is a very nice perk. I am million on both United and Delta, and will two million on United in next couple of years. Unfortunately I almost always fly in economy plus. They do a nice job of blocking out my row on less crowded flights. My biggest regret from flying in back is not hitting Global Services. I guess the fact I am paying $802 for my flight in couple of weeks is great for me, but not Global Service status.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on March 26, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
I feel for you guys that live on the road. I don't think I could have done it.

Been doing it for 27 years and still a happy traveler.  I've seen more of China than most Chinese, more of Russia than nearly all Russians, more of India than you can imagine, and so much of Indonesia that I could write a book.  Wouldn't trade these experiences for anything. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
Warrior fan

32 years and would not trade for anything!! I am with you 100%.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: T-Bone on March 26, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
DFW sucks

I don't really care that much, infrequent flyer (3-5/year), see airports as means to an end. Don't want to hang out there, but never been stuck, and never travelled a ton for work.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2018, 08:59:35 PM
Agree on MCO, doesn’t matter time of day or time of year, absolute zoo at security every time. I think MCO is way tougher than LAS, because for the most part, LAS is in frequent travelers who are more capable of figuring things out. MCO is almost impossible between families with young kids, older people, and a lot of foreigners not familiar with the process. McCarran also has much more open space, MCO is like shoving a thousand people into a clown car.

I personally fly only United, mainly because that’s what my dad has flown (he’s global services), and we traveled a ton growing up because he traveled so much, I got used to it. It’s fine, never had any issues. I generally like to keep a small stack of $5 Starbucks cards on me to compliment good gate agents or attendants to show appreciation to those folks (who mostly put up with crap).

I too gauge the person next to me. Try to be friendly but my Bose headphones are on about a minute after I settle in.

I never recline.

Best airports in US: SFO, CLT, AUS
Worst: LGA, MIA, EWR

Most Famous People I’ve Met (either in an airport or on a flight): Paris Hilton, Jeff Van Gundy, Dolph Ziggler
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 26, 2018, 09:08:45 PM
Seems like there are some United flyers on here. I switched over from AA to United after moving to Denver. Are people generally pleased with it? I noticed my upgrade % has dropped from AA, likely because Denver is a hub. But otherwise my experience has been that it's totally fine...yet everyone I know complains about it. Is that a non-elite flyer thing? Or have I just not gotten the Real United experience yet?

As I mentioned, I'm 1K and I don't have many complaints.  My gf flies primarily Delta for work, and while she doesn't have great status, her boss is top tier so I can get a relatively fair comparison and United seems to have a significant advantage, especially when it comes to Delta's horrible award redemption. 

I can't compare to other carriers, but flying out of Chicago, my upgrade percentage is damn close to 95%.  Even regularly flying from Chicago to NY.  I think Ive used regional upgrades maybe twice in 3 years.

Are the complaints coming from occasional fliers?  Cause I cant think of any United MileagePlus Gold and higher that I know that have complaints.  If they are just casual travelers, than I get it.  I find it funny when people act like AA/Delta/United are so much better or worse than the others.  They are what they are.  I do wish United had more highly rated partners in Star Alliance besides Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines, but otherwise no real complaints.  I love the people who complain how much United sucks or how great Southwest is (or insert airline of choice) and seek to convince me, when I fly more miles in a year than they will in 7-10.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 26, 2018, 09:11:50 PM
Glow:

You have never seen anything until you see the security lines at MCO! Not a regular at Vegas, but I never seen anything as bad as MCO. And there's nothing they can do to fix that.

I've flown United since my honeymoon back in 1980. I've been Mileage Plus since 1984 and elite level since 1987. The loyalty, I can say, has been a two-way street. I've been to Hawaii and Europe more times than I can count because of Mileage Plus!

My loyalty to United stems from a 1997 incident  in which the entire airline was mobilized to get me home. My daughter was adopted from Belarus and we had to go during high season to Europe (June to September). Trying to find a seat was virtually impossible. Since I was a 1K and we were bringing home a young girl who had never been out of an orphanage, we were shooting for international first class.

They "found" us three international first class seats from Amsterdam to London and Chicago. I say "found" because they pulled three revenue seats for us to get us home. The people at United could not have been more accommodating, more appreciative of me as a frequent flyer or, frankly, more caring. A month later, I was in Denver coming home when the lead flight attendant pulled me aside and asked, "how's Tracy?" I asked her, "how on earth do you know who Tracy is?" She looked back at me and said, "your wife was in 1C, Tracy was in 1D and you were in 1E, London to Chicago, United 959, a month ago. Some people, we never forget..."

We've had other incredible moments on United over the years. Yeah, sometimes they really suck especially when Commander Jeff was at the controls, but they try hard.  They really do

Their non-stops help, but their service from MCO is good too.

Goose:

I make a really concerted effort when I fly to read the person next to me. I'll always say hello and from time to time chat. But the secret is to know when to go about your business.  I've sat next to some fascinating people. Gary Fencick of the Super Bowl Chicago Bears and former Governor James Thompson immediately come to mind.

But if they signal they don't want to talk, I'll go about my business. And, if I get a chatterer, I'll take out my Bose noise cancelling headphones and listen to something for an hour.

If I ever sit next to you, I'll say hello and then put my headphones on.

Great story.  We've experienced MCO when it's bad.  I know.  We felt blessed this January when our SJU flight out of there was at 6a; even on like 3 hours sleep following our flight in the night before.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 26, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Part 2: Worst Airline Experiences Ever

A) Air Ukraine -- Kiev Ukraine to Warsaw, Poland, 1998 -- Was on a Soviet-built 727 knock-off (I believe a TU 154 but not sure). Plane was about 35 years old and didn't look a day under 60. Got on the plane with my wife and newly adopted son. When we landed in Warsaw, the pilot acted like he was landing on aircraft carrier. Plane went in nose first, flared at the last minute and ate the entire runway. We were in the "white" on the back side of the runway when the plane stopped and had to turn around and taxi about a quarter mile just to get to a taxiway. I think the plane also had a dump toilet.

B) North Central 575 -- December 22, 1972 -- Showed up for a delayed North Central from Chicago to Duluth, North Central 573. Two hours later, the plane on which we were scheduled, North Central 575, clipped the back end of a Delta jet and pancaked onto an O'Hare runway.

C) Vanguard Airlines -- Early 1990s -- I'm not sure what possessed my wife and I to fly Vanguard one Sunday morning from Chicago to Minneapolis. But we did. Plane got in the air. Flight attendant had boyfriend/significant other in the first row. Flight attendant did boarding announcement and then did  boyfriend to Minneapolis.

D) United Express -- Early 1990s -- Denver to Grand Junction -- Prop plane took off in a thunderstorm. Was the early days of regional airlines and the mainline carriers slapped their names on almost anything. This small regional prop left Denver, headed east, in an effort to gain altitude to make it over the mountains. Got really nervous as he turned west and flew into a nasty one as we got to the edge of the mountains. I'm here so it worked out.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 26, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
Worst domestic airports: LGA is truly atrocious. On Thursday it took me an hour to leave the airport - and that doesn't even factor in the 30 minutes I spent eating at the Centurion Lounge. Horrible place. EWR is pretty crappy too if you're not flying out of Terminal C. MCI sucks with their poor design requiring separate security at each gate. MIA is a dump and the A.C. is always cranked too cold.

Favorite domestic airports: DCA (b/c everything is close), SFO, and somehow, Indianapolis! LAS, SEA, and Jackson Hole are up there too.

Favorite int'l business classes: JAL, if you get the SkySuites. Better than int'l first class on 99% of other airlines. Love the service on Thai, even if the product can be outdated. And I've loved every trip on Turkish, especially if you get a few hours in the Turkish Lounge in Istanbul (which is an oasis in a nightmare airport). KLM and Lufthansa for the pretty FAs. U.S.-based airlines, I'll take AA refurbed 777 or Delta One. And I'll admit I'm a total sucker for BA's 747 upper deck, even if the hard product is poop. I feel like I'm on a private jet in another era. I'll even take that over BA first class, which is basically business class on every other airline. 

Worst int'l business classes: United 777-200, TAP Portugal (service, dear god), BA non-747 upper deck. And of course any intra-Europe flight on a non-widebody.

Seems like there are some United flyers on here. I switched over from AA to United after moving to Denver. Are people generally pleased with it? I noticed my upgrade % has dropped from AA, likely because Denver is a hub. But otherwise my experience has been that it's totally fine...yet everyone I know complains about it. Is that a non-elite flyer thing? Or have I just not gotten the Real United experience yet?

Agreed.  Absolutely blows.  They should take a wrecking ball to it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 26, 2018, 09:34:56 PM
Agreed.  Absolutely blows.  They should take a wrecking ball to it.

A wrecking ball is in the works. Voters in Kansas City approved a new airport terminal last November.

http://crankyflier.com/2017/11/09/with-the-new-terminal-approved-southwest-sees-opportunity-in-kansas-city/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 26, 2018, 10:39:40 PM
A wrecking ball is in the works. Voters in Kansas City approved a new airport terminal last November.

http://crankyflier.com/2017/11/09/with-the-new-terminal-approved-southwest-sees-opportunity-in-kansas-city/

Flew through MCI for the first time on the way to Denver for Thanksgiving.  Had gotten off a 14 hour flight from BOM to EWR, met my gf, and flew from EWR to MCI then had a 3-4 hour layover.  Was absolutely stunned by the asinine layout.  They also had no TSA precheck in our terminal and looked at me like I was speaking Greek when I asked about it.  Ended up riding the shuttle to other terminals in a feeble attempt to kill off the boredom.  Felt like I was flying through Montana or Wyoming, not a top 25 metro area.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on March 26, 2018, 11:45:14 PM
I never recline.

God bless you sir.

I'm 6'4 and most of that length is in my legs. Don't make enough scratch to fly anything other than economy. On most airlines, the person reclining in front of me simply isn't an option. Short of attempting to sit cross legged in my seat, it is physically impossible for the seat in front of me to fully recline. Whenever someone tries, I try to politely explain my height and most understand and don't try to recline. I once had a flight from DFW to San Fran and the person said they understood....then he tried to recline every 10 minutes or so as if I had somehow gotten shorter since takeoff. Halfway through he pressed the flight attendant call and angrily explained to her that I was keeping him from reclining. Poor young woman actually knelt down and checked my legs to verify that I was indeed as tall as I said I was. She politely and professionally told him to suck it up.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2018, 06:48:56 AM
God bless you sir.

I'm 6'4 and most of that length is in my legs. Don't make enough scratch to fly anything other than economy. On most airlines, the person reclining in front of me simply isn't an option. Short of attempting to sit cross legged in my seat, it is physically impossible for the seat in front of me to fully recline. Whenever someone tries, I try to politely explain my height and most understand and don't try to recline. I once had a flight from DFW to San Fran and the person said they understood....then he tried to recline every 10 minutes or so as if I had somehow gotten shorter since takeoff. Halfway through he pressed the flight attendant call and angrily explained to her that I was keeping him from reclining. Poor young woman actually knelt down and checked my legs to verify that I was indeed as tall as I said I was. She politely and professionally told him to suck it up.

What a jerk.  I do recline literally at the moment of the aircraft 10,000 foot chime but would happily accommodate your request.  I also feel really, really bad for the 6' 4" valet that has to get my Miata out of the parking garage.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 27, 2018, 06:54:24 AM
Agreed.  Absolutely blows.  They should take a wrecking ball to it.

MCI was awesome before 9/11. Get off the plane, go down the jet way, and get your bag right there at the gate.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2018, 07:03:17 AM
The issue is United calls all business/first "Polaris" when its a fraction of their fleet.  So you're likely just riding the old business class cabin, and I'll agree.  While its great compared to economy, its really not that impressive of an offering.

As for HK, 10000% agree.  First time I went to HK it blew my mind.  Its a marvel of a city in a number of ways, but British touches and sensibilities in a tropical setting really make it extra crazy (London is also my fav city).  Talking to people like my father who have been traveling there for 25+ years, makes me sad I couldn't have experienced it pre-handover to China.  I love it now, but you ask people Westerners or ex-pats who were there prior, and they bemoan all the changes, I imagine it was even more like Europe.

Hong Kong - Any time I had to go to China for work I always made sure I flew home from Hong Kong, so I would be forced to spend a night in there so I could "decompress" from 2 weeks in China.  British Pub beer & food & soccer viewing followed by Temple Street Night Market action for a little "scavenger hunt".  The day I'd fly home I'd take a nice run along the Avenue of Stars for the awesome harbor views before heading on a lonnnnggg flight to NYC.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2018, 08:39:30 AM
MUFaninCT

I have spent hundreds of nights in HK and still look at as a treat. Over the past decade I only venture to HK if needed, simply because the cost is crazy and I want to get home more than hang in HK. That said, I highly, highly recommend everyone follow your plan.

I am getting a break and will be staying in HK for two nights next month. In addition, I have two days in Taiwan and have not been there over 15 years. I used to spend more time Taiwan than HK, back in the day, and actually miss it. For first time in while, I am looking for forward to heading to asia.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on March 27, 2018, 09:48:22 AM
Been interesting to read this thread.

I thought I traveled a lot during my working days, but nothing compared to a lot of you.

A lot of friends thought I had a glamorous life because of travel ... I didn't bother telling them that going to Detroit on Saturday night, working Sunday and coming home Monday morning wasn't exactly "glamorous." They wouldn't have wanted to hear it.

Occasionally I did get to go on a cool trip in which I had time to incorporate a little fun. Every once in a blue moon I could bring my wife and kids. Those were always special.

My 2 kinda-interesting flight stories:

1. Coming home from Tokyo in 1998 on United, I wanted to upgrade to business class but my upgrade certificate was only good for a domestic flight. A female in the company who already was booked in business class agreed to pretend to be my "fiancee" and we went to the desk together to plead our case - "please let us sit together on this long flight" - and it actually worked! Not sure if such negotiations are possible any more.

2. I had the "honor" of joining the 1994 US hockey team on its charter flight from Oslo to Gothenburg Sweden for a pre-Olympic exhibition. It was a little prop plane. I was sitting next to Peter Laviolette, who was one of the team captains and now coaches the Nashville Predators. The flight takes off and gets near its cruising altitude but then starts to dive down fairly steeply. Much panic ensued among the players and coaches. Thankfully, they got whatever it was under control and the rest of the flight was uneventful. When it appeared all was OK, Laviolette turned to me and said something like, "Wow, that was scary. I thought we might have a Buddy Holly thing going." And I said, "Hey, at least all you guys would have been memorialized forever as heroes who died tragically in a plane crash. Maybe the big story about the crash would have included one line at the end saying: 'A sportswriter also died.' Maybe. But probably not."
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2018, 10:17:28 AM
I actually really like LAS.  But I suppose anything that one gets familiar with is easy.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 27, 2018, 10:26:10 AM
Hong Kong - Any time I had to go to China for work I always made sure I flew home from Hong Kong, so I would be forced to spend a night in there so I could "decompress" from 2 weeks in China.  British Pub beer & food & soccer viewing followed by Temple Street Night Market action for a little "scavenger hunt".  The day I'd fly home I'd take a nice run along the Avenue of Stars for the awesome harbor views before heading on a lonnnnggg flight to NYC.

If I go to China, I'm usually in Shenzhen.  The first time I was in Shenzhen for more than a day, I spent the last day without our Shenzhen-based rep, and I was staying in Luohu, in Old Shenzhen, so finding anyone speaking English was rare.  Heading back to HK the next day for the last 2 days of my trip felt like a comfortable, warm, familiar embrace.  Suddenly this place which was crazy and exotic my first few times there was like returning NYC.  Kind of amusing.

A lot of friends thought I had a glamorous life because of travel ... I didn't bother telling them that going to Detroit on Saturday night, working Sunday and coming home Monday morning wasn't exactly "glamorous." They wouldn't have wanted to hear it.

People hear that I fly around 120-130K miles a year and see social media updates from abroad and think that I jetset like mad.  But in reality, I take about 8 trips abroad a year between Asia and Europe, which works out to about once every 6 weeks.  Contrast that with some of my friends, who arent even consultants, who travel almost every other week.  Granted one is based in Columbus and goes to Indy, Detroit, Toledo, and Cincinnati and the other's main customers are in Saskatoon, Boise and Sacramento from his LA base, so I guess I get it haha.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
Jwags

First time I was SZ, the population was under 300k. Getting back to HK was the best feeling in the world. My office is in Guangzhou, but not a big fan of southern China.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
Sorry lateto the party, but any discussion of this nature should be predicated on not only the acknowledgement of the five types of travelers, each having their own needs, desires, etc. but also the disclosure of which category your opinion derives... the categories have different names and subcategories depending on the airline, but generally fall into the following:

Commuters: Single destination, constant travel (virtually every week)
Executive: Various destinations, constant travel (on the road >50% of the time)
Business: Various destinations, regular travel (on the road 10-50%)
Leisure: Single destination, single instance

There's also another group that is a hybrid between Leisure and Business... whether it's people who travel for business once or twice a year or people who travel for leisure multiple times a year.  Let's just call those the Hybrids.


Personally, I'm a Business traveler.  I'm on the road at least once a month (on average) to one of about a half dozen regular destinations and occasionally a new place or two every year.  I fly in/out same day when possible, and maintain tight schedules even when over-nighting, so for example, I don't care about what restaurants an airport has... I care about how accessible rental cars are, how many TSA checkpoints they have, how far I have to walk to the gate, etc. because I'm scheduling meetings from how many minutes from touchdown it takes to get to the site until how many minutes prior to the boarding doors closing I need to leave in order to make my flight.

In that regard, DEN is by far the worst of my regular destinations.  IAH, SAN and LAX are 2nd, 3rd and 4th, but not necessarily in that order.  MCO would also be in that group, but I don't travel there for business, so I couldn't care less about having to take the tram.  MSP is at least very predictable, and the AAL gates aren't far from TSA, so that is actually pretty good for me, but not necessarily for someone connecting on DAL or transferring between Lindbergh and HHH.

On that note... very infrequently do I connect unless it's personal travel, so typically, I don't care about how big and/or spaced out the terminals are at DFW, PHX, ATL, etc., and those sites are rarely my final destination, so none of them are going to make the above list.

Favorite Airports (from a business/convenience standpoint):
RNO
BUR
EVV
EGE
MKE
HSV
DSM
BOI
ROC
(Anyone sensing a pattern here?)

Large Airports I Actually Like:
CLT
SLC
YYZ

Favorite Airports (from a leisure/lounging perspective):
Just about anything other than MIA and LHR (bad prior experiences at both) because hey... I'm on vacation.  WTF do I care?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2018, 11:09:46 AM
I had to look half those up Benny!  Guess I'm a hybrid now.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Schmidtyfactor on March 27, 2018, 11:32:15 AM
For those that complain about MSP security... There is a secret sky way check in that barely anyone uses. It's in back of the parking garage, also near the rentals. Floor 2, I think it's called the skyway check in.

It's only good for carry on luggage and it has limited business hours. But many times I've been caught scrambling to get my phone and ID ready as I literally walk up to the counter with no line. Once in, you may have to walk to the other side of the airport for your flight, but it gets you in fast. If your getting dropped off at the dropoff right by the main entrance it might not make sense to head out to the parking garages... but it's there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
For those that complain about MSP security... There is a secret sky way check in that barely anyone uses. It's in back of the parking garage, also near the rentals. Floor 2, I think it's called the skyway check in.

It's only good for carry on luggage and it has limited business hours. But many times I've been caught scrambling to get my phone and ID ready as I literally walk up to the counter with no line. Once in, you may have to walk to the other side of the airport for your flight, but it gets you in fast. If your getting dropped off at the dropoff right by the main entrance it might not make sense to head out to the parking garages... but it's there.

Agree on the back door. At some point it is easier, though, to drive to the Twin Cities depending on schedules
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2018, 12:44:39 PM

Most Famous People I’ve Met (either in an airport or on a flight): Paris Hilton, Jeff Van Gundy, Dolph Ziggler

* I had a contract engineering job that put me on the JFK to LAX flight once a month.  Had Tommy Hilfiger on one flight who gave me a cool finger point, had LaVar Burton on another flight and saw Slash at LAX.
* In the early 90's flying out to Milwaukee for Summer Fest I had Paul Schaffer and the World's Most Dangerous Band on my flight.  I sat next to Anton the drummer as only Paul was in First Class.  They were all at the luggage carousel later.
* In the 80's and 90's I used to see NHL teams in airports all the time, but they must be doing charter flights in 2000's.
* Like 15 years ago on a flight to Cleveland, I sat next to a polite chatty older gentlemen who ended up engaging me in an interesting philosophical conversation the whole flight.  He was on his way to Oberlin College to give a talk.  I got on the flight determined to take a nap because it was like a 6:30am flight out of LGA and was charmed otherwise.  It turned out to be Noam Chomsky.

* I'm leaving out my celebrity interactions elsewhere including my very funny grocery shopping experience with Matthew Perry on a Sunday night at Stew Leonard's.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 27, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
For those that complain about MSP security... There is a secret sky way check in that barely anyone uses. It's in back of the parking garage, also near the rentals. Floor 2, I think it's called the skyway check in.

It's only good for carry on luggage and it has limited business hours. But many times I've been caught scrambling to get my phone and ID ready as I literally walk up to the counter with no line. Once in, you may have to walk to the other side of the airport for your flight, but it gets you in fast. If your getting dropped off at the dropoff right by the main entrance it might not make sense to head out to the parking garages... but it's there.

I use that whenever I fly out of MSP because the shuttles from RST drop you off there.  You're right - it's incredibly fast. I don't think there have ever been more than 3 or 4 people in front of me in line.

And FWIW, if you go down 1 floor, they also have a desk where you can check luggage. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2018, 01:43:14 PM
* I had a contract engineering job that put me on the JFK to LAX flight once a month.  Had Tommy Hilfiger on one flight who gave me a cool finger point, had LaVar Burton on another flight and saw Slash at LAX.
* In the early 90's flying out to Milwaukee for Summer Fest I had Paul Schaffer and the World's Most Dangerous Band on my flight.  I sat next to Anton the drummer as only Paul was in First Class.  They were all at the luggage carousel later.
* In the 80's and 90's I used to see NHL teams in airports all the time, but they must be doing charter flights in 2000's.
* Like 15 years ago on a flight to Cleveland, I sat next to a polite chatty older gentlemen who ended up engaging me in an interesting philosophical conversation the whole flight.  He was on his way to Oberlin College to give a talk.  I got on the flight determined to take a nap because it was like a 6:30am flight out of LGA and was charmed otherwise.  It turned out to be Noam Chomsky.

* I'm leaving out my celebrity interactions elsewhere including my very funny grocery shopping experience with Matthew Perry on a Sunday night at Stew Leonard's.

Don't think I've ever had a celebrity interaction on a plane.  Vegas, different story.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 27, 2018, 05:29:24 PM
Polaris seems to really be hit or miss.

Here's why: There is not much of it. Polaris is one of the worst brand roll-outs imaginable.

When United announced Polaris, it had exactly 2 Polaris equipped airplanes. They now have about 25, compared to more than 200 over water international planes. Of this group, 23 are 777-300s delivered since 2016 and used in Asian services as a replacement for the 747-400s. The rest (about 2) are former three-class 767-400s used between the eastern US and Europe.

By contrast, United has close to 100 777-200s that were legacy Continental and United, plus about 50 787 Dreamliners and an assorted number of 767-300s and 757s that fly internationally. None of these planes have Polaris and it's doubtful any except the Dreamliners will ever get it. The 757s and 767s are approaching the end of their service lives and the legacy 777-200s are scheduled to rotate out of the fleet beginning in 2023. And it will be a cold day in Satanville before the bean counters at United refurbish a relatively new Dreamliner for brand identity.

I doubt the 777-200s will ever get Polaris. They'll be replaced either by the A350-900 or new Dreamliners, which will get Polaris (eventually). So you'll end up with eight-across 777-200 business class seating, which decidedly is NOT Polaris, until these planes are replaced or go into "unprofitable domestic service."

United had another problem with Polaris. No Polaris lounges except for Chicago until fairly recently. And, in Chicago, the lounge was too small for demand so the Polaris receptionist was turning away high-value first and business class passengers. United has fixed that problem (which they also had in the International first class lounge while they were building Polaris) by taking space away from the unprofitable domestic passengers who use the United Club.

Again, I love United people and they make a difference to me. But the bean counters left over from the Commander Jeff era are just a bit much to take.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
dgies, wonder if our good friend has every been your pilot?  An old F-14 driver that graduated from United's domestic to international long haul a few years ago.  I think (but am not certain) that he drives a triple 7 in addition to other birds.  Runs the Asia route regularly in addition to Europe and South America.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on March 27, 2018, 06:37:18 PM
Favorite HKG story:
I was stuck in Palembang Indonesia during 9/11.  Actually was sick and in hospital before 9/11 but that's a different story (don't eat road-side tempe).  Asian flights were not stopped, so on 9/13 I got to Jakarta and to HKG trying to get home to UK where I was living at the time.  In HKG I realized the severity of the overall situation when, upon landing, I saw that one complete runway was closed and was being used for aircraft parking.  There must have been 100 x 747s and everything else you can imagine, wing to wing, on the whole runway, taxi-way, and every available hard stand.  At that point I realized I might best just go into the city and find a hotel and wait it out.  Went to my (at the time) favorite Sheraton Towers in Kowloon.  Jogged the avenue of the stars every morning and drinks on the top floor with island view every evening, and the rest of the time watching BBC and CNN and talking with other travelers trying to figure out how to get home.  It was a very nervous time but the memories are etched forever. 

Lots of drunken Hong Kong 7's stories as well... but not for today. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
Warrior fan

Great HK story. Not a bad place to be stuck for a week. I was in my to Chicago to catch a flight to HK on 9/11. I think your story sounds like a far better experience.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2018, 09:32:52 PM
Favorite Hong Kong story was from the old airport on a 747, pre-handover.  A major typhoon was approaching and our United flight was literally the last plane left.  The airlines wanted all equipment out.

They announced at the gate we are going.  Get on at your own risk but we advise you don't. It was an all glass Terminal on the pre-landfill runway but we all went.  They didn't even take tickets.  As soon as we were seated, the pilot said "strap them on"and took off straight up like the space shuttle and flew over the monsoon the hell out of there.

Hard to top that.  I think the cocktails were free flowing for the 20 of us on the entire plane.  Pretty sure there was a sonic boom.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 31, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Staying at the JW in San Antonio (highly recommend) and my wife ordered some lunch at the pool. Bill came and I told the young twenty something waitress that we’re guests of the Underhills. Needless to say she didn’t pick up the reference.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on April 01, 2018, 11:12:35 PM
Staying at the JW in San Antonio (highly recommend) and my wife ordered some lunch at the pool. Bill came and I told the young twenty something waitress that we’re guests of the Underhills. Needless to say she didn’t pick up the reference.

There’s this term called “operator error” that everyone should learn and understand.  The simplest of which is don’t give an input to which the expected response is a 404 or BSD.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2018, 06:46:28 PM
I just bought a piece of luggage .. the $120 model will do just fine.  Serious q, Briggs & Riley seems to be $300-600.  What makes it 3x better?
Lifetime Guarantee and it holds more on the inside because the handle is on the outside . I got one after Delta ruined a great Tumi I had for many years . I recommend the Briggs.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 05, 2018, 09:43:57 PM
Lifetime Guarantee and it holds more on the inside because the handle is on the outside . I got one after Delta ruined a great Tumi I had for many years . I recommend the Briggs.

I have had Hartman for years. I go nowhere without it.

Today I have my Hartman road warrior. I began calling it that because it has been rebuilt at least twice and is so scuffed up, it looks like it has been with me for all the miles I've ever flown.

Best buy in the world for Hartman is Lebanon, Tennessee. It's about a half hour east of Metro Airport in Nashville and is Hartman's factory store. Great luggage. Reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 06, 2018, 07:43:53 AM
I have had Hartman for years. I go nowhere without it.

Today I have my Hartman road warrior. I began calling it that because it has been rebuilt at least twice and is so scuffed up, it looks like it has been with me for all the miles I've ever flown.

Best buy in the world for Hartman is Lebanon, Tennessee. It's about a half hour east of Metro Airport in Nashville and is Hartman's factory store. Great luggage. Reasonable prices.

Making a note for a future trip down.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 06, 2018, 08:05:53 AM
Making a note for a future trip down.

There is also an outlet store in Aurora.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 06, 2018, 09:39:29 AM
There is also an outlet store in Aurora.

I need to get out more!   :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on April 06, 2018, 09:55:12 AM
To me, no amount of travel justifies spending more than a couple hundred on luggage, especially if travelling internationally... luggage should be the perfect balance between durable and disposable.

Case in point: The reimbursement limit for lost baggage is $3,300 domestically.  That includes your luggage, everything that was inside of it, and anything you may need to purchase to make up for the lost items.  If you travel often, chances are you have a nice suit or a few nice outfits in your bag, maybe a couple nice pairs of shoes, etc... if your baggage is lost going to a business meeting or presentation, $3,300 may be enough of a cushion to get you a new suit and a pair of shoes on short notice and still get your luggage reimbursed; however, internationally, the limit is around $1,700.

Another benefit: I'm only on my second set of bags over 13+ years of business travel.  I check bags, at most, on 20% of the flights I take, and it was only two years ago that I had a wheel broken off my large roller case (sheered or torn off may be more accurate).  In any event, I had a reimbursement check from AAL within 30 days for the full replacement cost (depreciation be damned), and I put that towards a brand new set of bags.  So as long as nothing is lost, damaged bags can be the gift that keeps on giving if you play your cards right.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GoldenEagles1990 on April 06, 2018, 01:27:41 PM
I have a 5 hour layover in Amsterdam next month. I have heard it from many people, and have seen it a couple times on this list, but what makes this airport so great?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 06, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
It has a casino in the airport.  It is very clean and very well organized and laid-out.  Lots of shops.
That's my experience. 
I'll be passing through Schipol-Amsterdam next weekend myself en route to Dusseldorf.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: reinko on April 06, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
It has a casino in the airport.  It is very clean and very well organized and laid-out.  Lots of shops.
That's my experience. 
I'll be passing through Schipol-Amsterdam next weekend myself.

I can't believe casinos haven't made their way into more airports (sans free alcohol).  It would be like printing money.

Not too mention, throw some small seat movie theaters in airports too.  Upon entry you get a little pager or something where you input your flight info and it pages you 15 min before boarding. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 06, 2018, 09:37:01 PM
I can't believe casinos haven't made their way into more airports (sans free alcohol).  It would be like printing money.

Not too mention, throw some small seat movie theaters in airports too.  Upon entry you get a little pager or something where you input your flight info and it pages you 15 min before boarding.

It amazes me too that airports haven’t figured out how to do a better job of maximizing revenue, especially hubs that are more likely to have delays. I sat at United Club at DFW two weeks ago for 6 hours waiting out weather. I honestly said to myself if there was a blackjack table, I’d have gone and killed at least half an hour. I remember the old PGA Tour stores at airports (I think McCarran still has one actually), and I used to go putt there to kill time.

Imagine a Top Golf at Hartsfield, Bush, or LAX? Place would be a goldmine.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 07, 2018, 07:31:02 PM
Staying at the JW in San Antonio (highly recommend) and my wife ordered some lunch at the pool. Bill came and I told the young twenty something waitress that we’re guests of the Underhills. Needless to say she didn’t pick up the reference.

Loved the JW when we stayed there a few years ago. Very good food at the onsite restaurants, huge outdoor pools, water park, and great staff.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2018, 10:28:23 PM
I have a 5 hour layover in Amsterdam next month. I have heard it from many people, and have seen it a couple times on this list, but what makes this airport so great?

I believe the casino is closed, there is a small museum that carries rotating exhibits of the Dutch masters and a lot of good duty free shopping.

https://www.amsterdam.info/airport-museum/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 08, 2018, 10:32:30 AM
I have a 5 hour layover in Amsterdam next month. I have heard it from many people, and have seen it a couple times on this list, but what makes this airport so great?
Everything works, relatively few delays for a European airport (the Germans and French go on strike every other week, the Brits have no clue), the transit walks aren't too long and it's reasonably well signed (except for non-schengen to schengen, which can catch you if you're not careful).  Good restaurants, decent lounges if you are so entitled and quite clean. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on April 15, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
So.. I wouldn't let any of my friends or family fly allegiant after reading this. I knew nothing of the company prior to reading.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-the-budget-airline-flying-under-the-radar/

FAA switching from enforcement to compliance also seems like a move that may be bad for citizens
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 15, 2018, 11:12:42 PM
Marriott/SPG program update coming Monday. Don’t know if this is going to be good or bad.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on April 16, 2018, 04:55:44 AM
Hope the Marriott news is good news. Getting screwed for $400usd for a room that is normally $150 tonight. I have no problem with it because I booked on short notice and knew Canton Fair was going on, but only because I like Marriott. Would be disappointed if they have bad news and I jump ship to another group. Have five good years invested in Marriott and do not want to start over.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on April 16, 2018, 05:30:10 AM
So.. I wouldn't let any of my friends or family fly allegiant after reading this. I knew nothing of the company prior to reading.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-the-budget-airline-flying-under-the-radar/

FAA switching from enforcement to compliance also seems like a move that may be bad for citizens

Had a double segment on 60 minutes last night.  Made the old jokes about flying with crates of animals in back and a pilot with goggles, scarf and no teeth sound pretty good
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 16, 2018, 07:00:56 AM
So.. I wouldn't let any of my friends or family fly allegiant after reading this. I knew nothing of the company prior to reading.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-the-budget-airline-flying-under-the-radar/

FAA switching from enforcement to compliance also seems like a move that may be bad for citizens

The 60 Minutes report was unbelievable.  Now I'm always on the lookout for shaded journalism but I was convinced the story was 'straight up'.  I mean, 300% above the average on industry wide mechanical failures?  I'd be going nuts as a CEO if we were 15% above the average.  What was it, 25 freakin' engine failures when the expert indicated most pilots never experience even one in their career?  Or how 'bout the cotter pin coming out of the primary flight control as one barreled down the runway at LAS?  That pilot had to slam the breaks and stop just short of The Strip or he might have put her through my bedroom window shortly after takeoff.  Um, no thanks.

And all through the segment I'm thinking 'What the hell was that defunct BS airline that dumped one in the Everglades?'  And there it was right at the end of the segment.  Effin' Valuejet.  That's exactly where the CEO came from. 

I'd never step foot on an Allegiant aircraft and hope that 60 Minutes just buried their business.  Before innocent people die would be nice.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 16, 2018, 08:43:26 AM
Never flown  Allegiant and never will. I hate rock-bottom airlines. This is what happens when costs are the prevailing reason why a company exists.

Conversely, I fly United for a reason. While I have seen some maintenance problems on United jets from time to time, none were "mission critical." In all my years of flying, I have three aborted landings, all due to air traffic control errors, one aborted take-off and one "near miss" by taking advantage of a scheduling glitch and missing a plane that crashed. Again, air traffic control errors.

What the 60 Minutes  report did not address is the "outsourcing" of maintenance and the fact that if a plane breaks down away from the maintenance base, the "local" airline will fix it at the local airline's prevailing costs. Which means that if AAR's maintenance base is in Kansas City and a plane breaks down in Houston, they probably have to pay someone else in Houston who has experience with the MD-80. That gets expensive.

They never touched on who AAR is and whether it was AAR or Allegiant who had the problems. If it is the former, shouldn't Allegiant find a new maintenance provider?

Other airlines do this all the time and maintenance often is done in places like Lake City, FL, Duluth etc. But they also have big in-house maintenance operations and parts inventories around the United States.

Secondly, other airlines fly the MD-80 and its derivatives. Delta and American both have substantial fleets of MD-80s still (though American's is quickly on the way out and Delta's will be gone when it starts getting the CS-100). What separates American and Delta from Allegiant? Probably in-house maintenance and an acknowledgment these planes are old. There's nothing wrong with old planes -- just like there is nothing wrong with old cars. The key is maintenance. You have to know older planes require more frequent maintenance and if you provide it, the planes are fine.

Delta was flying up until about four years ago, DC-9-50 models purchased by North Central Airlines that I swear I flew on in high school and college. The model 50s were purchased in the early 1970s.

I knew it was a North Central jet because the registration was N---NC. Plus, the cockpit was turquoise in color.

I doubt Delta had the kind of aborted take-offs, inflight problems and other issues Allegiant/ValueJet had. Delta and Northwest maintain their airplanes!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 16, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Never flown  Allegiant and never will. I hate rock-bottom airlines. This is what happens when costs are the prevailing reason why a company exists.

Conversely, I fly United for a reason. While I have seen some maintenance problems on United jets from time to time, none were "mission critical." In all my years of flying, I have three aborted landings, all due to air traffic control errors, one aborted take-off and one "near miss" by taking advantage of a scheduling glitch and missing a plane that crashed. Again, air traffic control errors.

What the 60 Minutes  report did not address is the "outsourcing" of maintenance and the fact that if a plane breaks down away from the maintenance base, the "local" airline will fix it at the local airline's prevailing costs. Which means that if AAR's maintenance base is in Kansas City and a plane breaks down in Houston, they probably have to pay someone else in Houston who has experience with the MD-80. That gets expensive.

They never touched on who AAR is and whether it was AAR or Allegiant who had the problems. If it is the former, shouldn't Allegiant find a new maintenance provider?

Other airlines do this all the time and maintenance often is done in places like Lake City, FL, Duluth etc. But they also have big in-house maintenance operations and parts inventories around the United States.

Secondly, other airlines fly the MD-80 and its derivatives. Delta and American both have substantial fleets of MD-80s still (though American's is quickly on the way out and Delta's will be gone when it starts getting the CS-100). What separates American and Delta from Allegiant? Probably in-house maintenance and an acknowledgment these planes are old. There's nothing wrong with old planes -- just like there is nothing wrong with old cars. The key is maintenance. You have to know older planes require more frequent maintenance and if you provide it, the planes are fine.

Delta was flying up until about four years ago, DC-9-50 models purchased by North Central Airlines that I swear I flew on in high school and college. The model 50s were purchased in the early 1970s.

I knew it was a North Central jet because the registration was N---NC. Plus, the cockpit was turquoise in color.

I doubt Delta had the kind of aborted take-offs, inflight problems and other issues Allegiant/ValueJet had. Delta and Northwest maintain their airplanes!

Exactly.  Everyone is for saving costs and I will be the first to acknowledge that some carriers may have found a newer and perhaps more efficient ways to skin the people mover cat for some routes (thinking alternate business models ranging from Jet Blue to SWA to Spirit) but have not heard any of those guys failing to properly maintain their planes. 

That was truly frightening last night.  We had occasionally looked at RFD-LAS as an alternative for our commute.  Not anymore.  I harken back to Hooters Airline.  Um, I don't think so.  Chicken wings and short shorts boys.  Leave it at that, mkay.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on April 16, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-60-minutes-defensive-2018-04-16/

Allegiant's response
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 16, 2018, 02:32:32 PM
What's wrong with Heathrow out of curiosity? I flew into Heathrow and Gatwick and much preferred Heathrow.

Reykjavic was my least favorite. Only had one person scanning tickets and it took a hour to board because you needed to take a bus to the plane.

Dublin was my favorite. Easy to navigate, and nice new renovations.

I actually liked Reykjavik but admittedly it was my first time landing in Europe so there's probably a bit of nostalgia involved. I didn't have to go through security because I was just there for a connection.

I flew out of Luton and Stansted on a couple of separate occasions and at one of them we had to go through basically an entire shopping mall to get to our gate. That was obnoxious.

Munich was weird. Either there was absolutely no security or we somehow bypassed it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 16, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Anybody check out the Marriott/SPG announcement and changes? One thing I saw and am trying to understand, I will fall into Platinum Premier, and read that any Marriott Platinum’s will get 10 Suite Night Awards this year. I’m not exactly sure what that means.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 16, 2018, 05:40:18 PM
Munich was weird. Either there was absolutely no security or we somehow bypassed it.

That happened to me in Colombia. Was going from Bogota to Armenia. Thought I was in the wrong place because I somehow missed security. Terrifying flight, only 30 minutes but pretty much a blind landing in a one runway airport.

Another weird one, I flew from London into ORD (Changed planes in Dublin) about a month ago. We got in a hour early, and I didn't have to go through customs. I'm guessing they changed our gate last minute since we were so early.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on April 16, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
MUDish

I did not have a chance to look too closely at the announcement, but seems to be customer friendly. I hope i am not disappointed after I dig deeper into it. Looks like a smart move grouping it all together. It is easier to lock in frequent travelers, and makes it easy for the travelers. In Asia I stay 90% at Renaissance or JW, but some very nice Westin’s I have wanted to try.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 16, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
MUDish

I did not have a chance to look too closely at the announcement, but seems to be customer friendly. I hope i am not disappointed after I dig deeper into it. Looks like a smart move grouping it all together. It is easier to lock in frequent travelers, and makes it easy for the travelers. In Asia I stay 90% at Renaissance or JW, but some very nice Westin’s I have wanted to try.
If they really add the two together I should jump up to Platinum Premier!  I also enjoy the starwood properties in Asia - they seem to be ahead of Marriott there. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 17, 2018, 08:13:49 AM
The latest chapter of "Why I hate discount airlines."

http://crankyflier.com/2018/04/17/sun-country-earns-the-cranky-jackass-award-for-giving-no-options-to-stranded-customers/

This deserves a state and/or federal investigation. When you issue a ticket, you make a promise. You don't decide it is inconvenient to fly someone home and strand them. I'm suspecting that Sun Country Airlines will be getting a wave of lawsuits in Hennipen County Circuit Court in Minnesota. And, they deserve it.

As I alluded to with Allegiant yesterday, when costs become the primary driver for your existence, you lose a sense of values and ethics. It is one thing to be efficient. We all get that in our personal and business lives. It's another thing to be cheap. This is just plain cheap and unfeeling.

Quite frankly, while I think we would sell our own mothers for an extra 5% off airfare, there are some things that are just not worth being cheap over!

Yes, United dragged people off airplanes. Yes, someone's canine died in an overhead bin. But I dare say, United would never leave me stranded in a foreign country with no way out. Nor would Delta, American or Southwest.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 17, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
The latest chapter of "Why I hate discount airlines."

http://crankyflier.com/2018/04/17/sun-country-earns-the-cranky-jackass-award-for-giving-no-options-to-stranded-customers/

This deserves a state and/or federal investigation. When you issue a ticket, you make a promise. You don't decide it is inconvenient to fly someone home and strand them. I'm suspecting that Sun Country Airlines will be getting a wave of lawsuits in Hennipen County Circuit Court in Minnesota. And, they deserve it.

As I alluded to with Allegiant yesterday, when costs become the primary driver for your existence, you lose a sense of values and ethics. It is one thing to be efficient. We all get that in our personal and business lives. It's another thing to be cheap. This is just plain cheap and unfeeling.

Quite frankly, while I think we would sell our own mothers for an extra 5% off airfare, there are some things that are just not worth being cheap over!

Yes, United dragged people off airplanes. Yes, someone's canine died in an overhead bin. But I dare say, United would never leave me stranded in a foreign country with no way out. Nor would Delta, American or Southwest.

Similarly, I was in Europe on business a couple years ago, flying from Basel to London.  France did their classic bimonthly "Air Traffic is going on strike" BS, thus shutting down all French airspace.  We were flying Ryanair cause it made sense price and timing wise and its usually a perfectly fine option for quick flights there.

Well our flight was cancelled straight away.  We approached the counter and the customer service didn't even attempt to be helpful or constructive.  Just "too bad, the ticket will be refunded in 7-10 business days, NEXT!"  It was laughable.  Naturally we called United 1K line and they managed to get us a very good rate on a Lufthansa flight connecting through Munich so we routed around France.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 17, 2018, 09:46:59 AM
Similarly, I was in Europe on business a couple years ago, flying from Basel to London.  France did their classic bimonthly "Air Traffic is going on strike" BS, thus shutting down all French airspace.  We were flying Ryanair cause it made sense price and timing wise and its usually a perfectly fine option for quick flights there.

Well our flight was cancelled straight away.  We approached the counter and the customer service didn't even attempt to be helpful or constructive.  Just "too bad, the ticket will be refunded in 7-10 business days, NEXT!"  It was laughable.  Naturally we called United 1K line and they managed to get us a very good rate on a Lufthansa flight connecting through Munich so we routed around France.
Sounds similar to what happened to me last March at Orly in our way to Grenada, Spain.  We got to Orly, looked up at the board to find out gate and found our flight canceled by an air traffic control strike.  After standing in line for a couple of hours, we were told we could get rebooked two days later on a flight.  I listened to others bitch and scream at the people behind the counter and get nowhere, so I took the opposite tact.  They got us out the following morning, first to Barcelona, then Madrid, then a 4 hour bus ride to Grenada.  14 hours after we left the airport hotel at Orly, we made it to Grenada. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 17, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
That's brutal dgies. I'm a frequent cranky reader and I agree that one of his 3 solutions would have been a reasonable answer.  Cross them off the list too.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2018, 12:05:56 PM
WarriorFan
I agree on better option than Marriott. I have to admit, I never took advantage of rewards points until last 5-6 years and regret it. Marriott was my biggest clients chain of choice and I started doing Marriot exclusively. Looking forward to exploring other brands in the group moving forward.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on April 17, 2018, 12:42:48 PM
My favorite airports have many destinations. I'd rather fly nonstop out of a dump than have a layover originating from a palace.

So with that criteria in mind, are some of my favorites, domestic and international:

O'Hare's International Terminal (probably the nicest part of the entire airport)
Portland
Sea-Tac
Denver
Minneapolis
Munich
Vienna
Copenhagen (awesome places to sleep during a layover)
Krakow
Dublin

Don't care for Mitchell. Lambert is definitely a dump.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on April 17, 2018, 01:00:55 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/dmv/woah-plane-engine-exploded-and-a-woman-was-sucked-out-of-the-window-and-pulled-back-in-by-passengers
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 17, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
Nothin' butt a fart in da wind. Happened on Ma and Pa's favorite carrier, no less, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
4ever

Up with jet lag and you had me laughing out loud. Thanks for the laugh,
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: PBRme on April 17, 2018, 03:24:35 PM
My favorite airports have many destinations. I'd rather fly nonstop out of a dump than have a layover originating from a palace.

So with that criteria in mind, are some of my favorites, domestic and international:

O'Hare's International Terminal (probably the nicest part of the entire airport)
Portland
Sea-Tac
Denver
Minneapolis
Munich
Vienna
Copenhagen (awesome places to sleep during a layover)
Krakow
Dublin

Don't care for Mitchell. Lambert is definitely a dump.

I'd second Munich.  I often camped at the Hilton between Terminals 1 & 2 and did day trips when I spent a lot of time in Europe.  Also great for two leg flight to the Middle East before there were more options direct.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 17, 2018, 07:42:28 PM
Terrible what happened to that passenger.  Read that the pilot was the first female Navy fighter pilot.  Fine job with a crippled airplane.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 18, 2018, 06:45:24 AM
That's brutal dgies. I'm a frequent cranky reader and I agree that one of his 3 solutions would have been a reasonable answer.  Cross them off the list too.

As a side note, what Glow and I are speaking about is www.crankyflier.com. For those of you who are interested in the airline industry, Cranky is a must read. He's a former airline executive who blogs every weekday except Wednesday.

Cranky knows his stuff. For me, I love his "Cranky Jackass" award. He's given it to Sun Country, United, American and I think even the beloved Delta has received one. He's also awarded the title "World's Worst Airline" to Alitalia.

Quick read. Really good for those of you who are interested.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 18, 2018, 09:51:01 AM
Cranky knows his stuff. For me, I love his "Cranky Jackass" award. He's given it to Sun Country, United, American and I think even the beloved Delta has received one. He's also awarded the title "World's Worst Airline" to Alitalia.

I know two different stories of people paying for business/first class on Alitalia for flights to Europe, getting to the gate, and being informed that they had been bumped down to economy and any complaints or questions of refunds were told that they would have to handle it with corporate.  I can't even imagine.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on April 18, 2018, 11:37:45 AM
Terrible what happened to that passenger.  Read that the pilot was the first female Navy fighter pilot.  Fine job with a crippled airplane.
Hat tipped to the pilot who got that plane and those passengers to the ground.   If you get a chance, listen to the audio between pilot and the control tower.    Remarkably controlled.   What any of us would hope our pilot would sound like under those circumstances. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 18, 2018, 12:14:05 PM
Hat tipped to the pilot who got that plane and those passengers to the ground.   If you get a chance, listen to the audio between pilot and the control tower.    Remarkably controlled.   What any of us would hope our pilot would sound like under those circumstances.

Naval aviators rock.  Our good friend drives for United.  Dodging Gulf War missiles has a way of focusing the mind.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 18, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
Hat tipped to the pilot who got that plane and those passengers to the ground.   If you get a chance, listen to the audio between pilot and the control tower.    Remarkably controlled.   What any of us would hope our pilot would sound like under those circumstances.

Not surprised. Those men and women who fly commercially have probably faced the  same situation or worse at least 100 times -- maybe more -- in a simulator.

By the time they get into an airline cockpit, they've seen and done it all. And if they flew F15s or F22s, they've seen things that even airline simulators can't reproduce.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 23, 2018, 12:54:46 PM
Interesting passing through Amsterdam yesterday on my way home. 
I had to report to Gate "D1" for my flight.  Gate "D1" is a fake gate for all Delta flights headed towards the United States.  Basically, everyone has to pass through an extra line of security before they are told their actual gate.  The line was super long, so I went and shopped then grabbed something to eat and the line was next to nothing by time I got there.  Of course, my actual gate was D57 on the exact opposite side of the terminal.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 23, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
My summer travel odyssey begins this week:
Moscow - Zurich - Chicago - Frankfurt - Moscow - Novosibirsk
Novosibirsk - Beijing - Jakarta - Beijing - Novosibirsk
Moscow - Singapore - Jakarta - Doha - JFK
JFK-DOH- Jakarta - NRT - ORD
ORD- PEK - Moscow
All in the next 7 weeks.
Ugh.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
WarriorFan

I sure hope you are being well for that schedule. Safe travels.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 24, 2018, 09:06:18 PM
Out of curiosity, am I the only nerd that gets excited when visiting a new state to see what that states Google Maps avatar looks like? I hit Wyoming today, always try to slow down when crossing the border to see it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Disco Hippie on April 27, 2018, 09:55:20 PM
I just bought a piece of luggage .. the $120 model will do just fine.  Serious q, Briggs & Riley seems to be $300-600.  What makes it 3x better?

If you're not a hardcore road warrior and mostly carry on, I'm sure the $120 model will do just fine.  Briggs & Riley is excellent quality, has a lifetime warranty, and Is widely considered to be every bit as good as Rimowa which is more than double the price.  Not that Briggs is inexpensive by any means.  Those that can afford it swear by Rimowa but it's way over my budget so I have no personal experience with that brand.  I did splurge on a Briggs a couple years ago and it's held up very well but I'm not a what most would consider to be a road warrior.  I take a two or three day trip every 5 or 6 weeks which is nothing compared to a lot you.   In my experience where bags take the worst beating by far is when they're checked in and even one long haul Int'l trip with a connection can break multiple zipper pulls and make a relatively new bag look 10 years old, so for folks that routinely travel internationally for a week at a clip or more and need to check bags, it's worth it to pay significantly more for higher quality.   Just be careful and do your homework because many of the luxury brands aren't that high quality.  TUMI for example, looks great and while not poor quality by any means, is more expensive than Briggs, but not as durable over the long haul and only has a 5 yr warranty to Briggs's lifetime.  The luxury Italian brand Brics is way overpriced for what it is and didn't last for me at all but damn it looked great!  In my view the best quality luggage for the price is Victorinox/Swiss Army followed closely by Costco's Kirkland Signature private label line.   Neither are as good as Briggs or as sleek and luxe as TUMI and their ilk, but I haven't encountered better quality or value for the price, than Victorinox.   Full disclosure:  I live very close Victorinox's North American HQ in CT and have bought almost every piece of theirs that I own at their bi annual warehouse sale, where the merch is heavily discounted....usually more than 50% so I've bought it at a substantial discount but it's still better than every other piece of luggage I've ever owned, some for 3x the price.

On another note, there is no airport in the world worse than LGA, nor will there ever be and I say that as a proud NYC area native who's lived in the city or its suburbs my whole life minus the 4 yrs in MKE.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: muarmy81 on April 29, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
As a mid-tier road warrior I’m glad to see this thread. Couple questions for the group-

1. I’m a delta guy and hover between gold and platinum status but thinking of making a job change and delta just wouldn’t make sense based on new travel requirements so I’m considering making a change to either American or United. Curious to get the groups preferences between those two carriers and why?

2.  Along those lines, I’m also considering platinum Amex for lounge access in either DFW or IAH. I have chase reserve and really like it but would it be worth it to swap it for the platinum AMEX?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
As a mid-tier road warrior I’m glad to see this thread. Couple questions for the group-

1. I’m a delta guy and hover between gold and platinum status but thinking of making a job change and delta just wouldn’t make sense based on new travel requirements so I’m considering making a change to either American or United. Curious to get the groups preferences between those two carriers and why?

2.  Along those lines, I’m also considering platinum Amex for lounge access in either DFW or IAH. I have chase reserve and really like it but would it be worth it to swap it for the platinum AMEX?

I only fly United, but maybe ask for a status match with both UA & AA and try them both out? I think it would mainly come down to where you’re based out of and who has more options for you. I will say IAH has maybe the quickest premiere or TSA security lines for any United hub that I’ve seen.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 29, 2018, 05:30:01 PM
As a mid-tier road warrior I’m glad to see this thread. Couple questions for the group-

1. I’m a delta guy and hover between gold and platinum status but thinking of making a job change and delta just wouldn’t make sense based on new travel requirements so I’m considering making a change to either American or United. Curious to get the groups preferences between those two carriers and why?

2.  Along those lines, I’m also considering platinum Amex for lounge access in either DFW or IAH. I have chase reserve and really like it but would it be worth it to swap it for the platinum AMEX?

Depends on to where you are relocating. If it's DFW,  American is the answer. IAH, then United, no questions asked.

I've been high mileage on both in the past. I'm not sure there is a whole lot of difference, though I tend to think you're slightly more likely to see a widebody/overwater airplane on domestic routes on United. One particularly attractive plane that shows up from time to time is the 757-200s, which are equipped with sleeper seats in first class (don't be fooled by the 757-300s though, which are domestic shop hogs and break down regularly). American may have the same overwater thing in some A321s, so I would check.

Ultimately, if you are not in an airline's hub city, I agree with Brother Dish that you should call both airlines and see who gives you the better deal to transition. They both will, if you send them a copy of your Delta card.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: muarmy81 on April 29, 2018, 07:39:13 PM
Thanks guys...I’m based in San Antonio so will have to connect via IAH or DFW. DFW is logistically better but my experience with AA jets is that if you don’t get one of their new a321’s you end up with a really old md88 or 737; which is not preferred. From DFW I will be flying to ABQ, MEM, DEN, TUL, OKC, and lovely Lambert...STL
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 29, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Thanks guys...I’m based in San Antonio so will have to connect via IAH or DFW. DFW is logistically better but my experience with AA jets is that if you don’t get one of their new a321’s you end up with a really old md88 or 737; which is not preferred. From DFW I will be flying to ABQ, MEM, DEN, TUL, OKC, and lovely Lambert...STL

1) American's 737s generally are not THAT old. Most have been delivered in the past five years or so.

2) From Dallas, ABQ and MEM probably are either A320s, the remaining MD88s (which will not be in the fleet much longer) or the Eagle. STL probably is a real jet but OKC is likely to be the Eagle. TUL is a crapshoot since American has a major maintenance base there and shuttles planes between DFW and Tulsa.

3) If you are in San Antonio, you may want to consider living north of the city and fly out of Austin. Dpeending on where you are going, it may be nonstop.

4) I would weigh driving to another airport against connecting time, especially if it is Austin. In my case, the winter, I generally drive from the Treasure Coast of Florida to MCO. The alternative is Delta via Melbourne, FL, and the connection time in Atlanta or Charlotte is usually longer than the drive up Interstate 95 (which is usually done at 90+ miles per hour).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2018, 09:31:24 PM
1) American's 737s generally are not THAT old. Most have been delivered in the past five years or so.

2) From Dallas, ABQ and MEM probably are either A320s, the remaining MD88s (which will not be in the fleet much longer) or the Eagle. STL probably is a real jet but OKC is likely to be the Eagle. TUL is a crapshoot since American has a major maintenance base there and shuttles planes between DFW and Tulsa.

3) If you are in San Antonio, you may want to consider living north of the city and fly out of Austin. Dpeending on where you are going, it may be nonstop.

4) I would weigh driving to another airport against connecting time, especially if it is Austin. In my case, the winter, I generally drive from the Treasure Coast of Florida to MCO. The alternative is Delta via Melbourne, FL, and the connection time in Atlanta or Charlotte is usually longer than the drive up Interstate 95 (which is usually done at 90+ miles per hour).

I was going to chime in the same thing about Austin. When we went to the Final Four, flew home out of Austin. Have to imagine if there’s a direct flight to/from AUS, it’d be much faster. Good news is with hubs in DFW and IAH, you have at least close options.

FWIW, San Antonio is now my most underrated city in America.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: muarmy81 on April 30, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Again...thanks guys, much appreciated!

yes...we love San Antonio, which is why i'm making a change to stay.  I do fly out of Austin as Delta has started adding directs to places I needed to go with my previous job. (Seattle, LAX, JFK)  unfortunately, there aren't any Delta directs to my new required places but I have begun scouting out my new routes and the aircraft AA and UA use.  I will definitely take your advice and see if I can get any deals from those 2 carriers if I switch.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: PBRme on April 30, 2018, 10:32:08 AM
Again...thanks guys, much appreciated!

yes...we love San Antonio, which is why i'm making a change to stay.  I do fly out of Austin as Delta has started adding directs to places I needed to go with my previous job. (Seattle, LAX, JFK)  unfortunately, there aren't any Delta directs to my new required places but I have begun scouting out my new routes and the aircraft AA and UA use.  I will definitely take your advice and see if I can get any deals from those 2 carriers if I switch.

If the choice is to fly through IAH and DFW you can expect winter deicing about 20X more in DFW  than IAH.  When I flew to South America a lot I always tried to go through IAH or Miami not DFW.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 30, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
Again...thanks guys, much appreciated!

yes...we love San Antonio, which is why i'm making a change to stay.  I do fly out of Austin as Delta has started adding directs to places I needed to go with my previous job. (Seattle, LAX, JFK)  unfortunately, there aren't any Delta directs to my new required places but I have begun scouting out my new routes and the aircraft AA and UA use.  I will definitely take your advice and see if I can get any deals from those 2 carriers if I switch.

Anytime Brother MUArmy!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on April 30, 2018, 06:20:13 PM
Thanks guys...I’m based in San Antonio so will have to connect via IAH or DFW. DFW is logistically better but my experience with AA jets is that if you don’t get one of their new a321’s you end up with a really old md88 or 737; which is not preferred. From DFW I will be flying to ABQ, MEM, DEN, TUL, OKC, and lovely Lambert...STL
Based on this set of cities you sound like a typical SWA traveller...basing out of SA dont ignore this obvious choice
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: muarmy81 on May 02, 2018, 03:18:35 PM
Based on this set of cities you sound like a typical SWA traveller...basing out of SA dont ignore this obvious choice

You're right...there are some direct options on SWA but i'm not a fan...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 02, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
You're right...there are some direct options on SWA but i'm not a fan...

You either:

   Don't like getting sucked out of airplanes; or,

   Don't fly coach very often.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 08, 2018, 06:44:39 PM
I was able to join the 50 State Club today. I had a customer meeting in Salt Lake get canceled last minute after I was out here, so I drove I-15 North to Idaho and Montana.

The Continental Divide as you enter Montana is amazing. I didn’t necessarily pick Montana or that route on purpose (it was spur of the moment), but I’ll humble brag that I’m proud of this accomplishment. I didn’t cheat either and just drive in and out of any state either or use an airport connection as a visit.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 08, 2018, 06:49:25 PM
I was able to join the 50 State Club today. I had a customer meeting in Salt Lake get canceled last minute after I was out here, so I drove I-15 North to Idaho and Montana.

The Continental Divide as you enter Montana is amazing. I didn’t necessarily pick Montana or that route on purpose (it was spur of the moment), but I’ll humble brag that I’m proud of this accomplishment. I didn’t cheat either and just drive in and out of any state either or use an airport connection as a visit.

Favorite state?  For people?  Nature? Views? Food and drink? Business?  Culture?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 08, 2018, 11:32:42 PM
Favorite state?  For people?  Nature? Views? Food and drink? Business?  Culture?

Favorite state is really tough. Hawaii is too easy of an answer, and I hate saying it only because it's obvious, but California is just awesome to visit. I'm removing any politics/people/costs here, it just has everything to offer.

Most underrated state to visit: Maine (I'll defer to east coasters if it's underrated, but the Maine coast is spectacular and one of the best national parks in Acadia)
Sneaky good: Tennessee (Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga, good weather, very pretty)

I'm too picky of an eater and not a foodie to rate food, I'm sure other's on here would have better views.

What I've learned and tried to take perspective in is how lucky we are to live in the US (remove politics/money/taxes/anything like that). I've had a lot of west coast travel the last two months, and in 8 weeks have driven the Oregon coastline, saw the Continental Divide, been to Lake Tahoe, drove from Denver to Cheyenne, and all were spectacular. I don't say that by any means to brag, but America has crazy great things to see and experience, it really does.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: PBRme on May 08, 2018, 11:37:40 PM
State would be Hawaii

City New Orleans hands down--Music Food Architecture History
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 09, 2018, 07:21:03 AM
So many beautiful places it's hard to pick just one, so I'll list a few of my favorites off the top of my head.

For natural beauty: Na Pali Coast and Kilauea Volcano in Hawaii (renewing as we speak), Rocky Mountains in CO & UT, Badlands in SD, Big Sur coastline in CA, Oregon coast, Sonoran Desert when the cacti bloom after a big rainfall.

Most beautiful natural scene/moment I've ever seen: Driving at sunrise in Southern Alabama on a humid summer morning, seeing the fog dissipate in the early morning sun to reveal the Spanish moss hanging from the Oak trees.

For food: Italian in Boston, Chinese and sourdough in San Francisco and most anything in New Orleans...followed by beignets.

For culture: DC museums (National Portrait Gallery and National Archives are my favorites).

Random fun things/cool attractions: San Francisco cable cars, Ruby Falls in TN.

So many amazing and diverse things to see in this great country. I'm sure I will think of many more right after I hit "post."
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 09, 2018, 07:26:31 AM
Favorite state?  For people?  Nature? Views? Food and drink? Business?  Culture?

State:  Washington. The Pacific Northwest is awesome with the green forests, mountains, urban Seattle and the large number of waterfalls. Close runner-up is my old home state of Tennessee.

For People:  California. There is no place nuttier than California. Only place I ever have been where they had a safe sex float in an Easter parade where the Easter Bunny was handing out free condoms. Same parade had a float from a funeral home saying, "we put the fun in funerals." Everything about California is just goofy and there is NO runner-up.

For Nature:  Agree with Brother Dish, Hawaii. Very pretty and the birds are gorgeous.

For Food and Drink:  This is a sleeper, but Texas. The barbecue is to die for. And the Town of Castroville near San Antonio is undiscovered excellence in Alsatian Cuisine.

For Business:  Los Angeles. The people there know how to negotiate and get a deal d-o-n-e. And they are not provincial the way many parts of the country are.

For Culture: Don't really travel much for culture but I probably would say New York City. Paris blows everything away, but I am trying to stay domestic.

Places I avoid when possible:

1) New York City -- Getting in from the airport is a disaster, no matter which airport you choose (go to EWR and take the train to MSG). The place smells like garbage most of the time and the crowds are well, yuck. Little here you can't get in Chicago or San Francisco. Just lots more of it.

2) Atlanta -- When you find a city here, let me know. More than 1,000 suburbs looking for that city center. And the freeways are awful.

3) Dallas -- Like Atlanta with less culture.

4) Boston -- Any airport run by Massport is by definition the worst run airport in America. The city has a lot of charm but the airport is a disaster and ruins the trip.

5) Orlando -- Full disclosure, I use MCO a lot in the winter. But Orlando is Duluth on steroids. Never, ever fly into MCO without TSA Pre. The lines in the conventional security line are two hours long. If I hear "OrlandoMayorBuddyDyer" tell me about the "Orlando Experience" one more time, I'm going to gag. Other than plastic mice and people eating alligators, what does Orlando offer?





Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 09, 2018, 08:02:10 AM


For People:  California. There is no place nuttier than California. Only place I ever have been where they had a safe sex float in an Easter parade where the Easter Bunny was handing out free condoms. Same parade had a float from a funeral home saying, "we put the fun in funerals." Everything about California is just goofy and there is NO runner-up.




Glow jr. made his first trip to (southern) California at the age of 16.  His analysis:

"Like Florida, only with way more douchebags."
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 09, 2018, 08:08:56 AM
Glow jr. made his first trip to (southern) California at the age of 16.  His analysis:

"Like Florida, only with way more douchebags."

And less humidity....
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 09, 2018, 02:57:52 PM
Glow jr. made his first trip to (southern) California at the age of 16.  His analysis:

"Like Florida, only with way more douchebags."

Tell Glow Jr., Floridians aren't all bad.

We're residents of Florida six months of the year and love it down here.

Full Disclosure: Headed back to Chicago tomorrow!!!!!!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 09, 2018, 03:08:07 PM
Kant stand da heet, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 09, 2018, 03:12:22 PM
California really is such a weird place. My cousin lived in Santa Monica for a few years so I visit him once.

Walking down that stretch of beach from the Santa Monica Pier, through Ocean Park and Venice Beach to Maria del Rey it sure was something.

Just such a laid back atmosphere.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 09, 2018, 03:19:22 PM
Kant stand da heet, hey?

Brother 4ever, guess not.

That and I love Chicago and there's so much clean living, clean government I can take in a year!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 09, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
Tell Glow Jr., Floridians aren't all bad.

We're residents of Florida six months of the year and love it down here.

Full Disclosure: Headed back to Chicago tomorrow!!!!!!

He was dissing Californians, my friend, not Floridians.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 09, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
California really is such a weird place. My cousin lived in Santa Monica for a few years so I visit him once.

Walking down that stretch of beach from the Santa Monica Pier, through Ocean Park and Venice Beach to Maria del Rey it sure was something.

Just such a laid back atmosphere.

Need to separate SoCal from NorCal, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on May 10, 2018, 08:47:15 AM
I was able to join the 50 State Club today. I had a customer meeting in Salt Lake get canceled last minute after I was out here, so I drove I-15 North to Idaho and Montana.

The Continental Divide as you enter Montana is amazing. I didn’t necessarily pick Montana or that route on purpose (it was spur of the moment), but I’ll humble brag that I’m proud of this accomplishment. I didn’t cheat either and just drive in and out of any state either or use an airport connection as a visit.

Well done Dish.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: muarmy81 on May 11, 2018, 09:40:12 AM
Favorite state is really tough. Hawaii is too easy of an answer, and I hate saying it only because it's obvious, but California is just awesome to visit. I'm removing any politics/people/costs here, it just has everything to offer.

Most underrated state to visit: Maine (I'll defer to east coasters if it's underrated, but the Maine coast is spectacular and one of the best national parks in Acadia)
Sneaky good: Tennessee (Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga, good weather, very pretty)

I'm too picky of an eater and not a foodie to rate food, I'm sure other's on here would have better views.

What I've learned and tried to take perspective in is how lucky we are to live in the US (remove politics/money/taxes/anything like that). I've had a lot of west coast travel the last two months, and in 8 weeks have driven the Oregon coastline, saw the Continental Divide, been to Lake Tahoe, drove from Denver to Cheyenne, and all were spectacular. I don't say that by any means to brag, but America has crazy great things to see and experience, it really does.

Amen Dish!  America is a great place and so diverse...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on May 11, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
Don't think I mentioned.  Chick and I are hitting #48 for me in two weeks.  Alaska.  Helluva deal last minute on a one-way SB cruise from Anchorage.  Still bucket list to drive the Cassiar and AlCan but that'll have to wait.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 12, 2018, 06:29:52 AM
He was dissing Californians, my friend, not Floridians.

I know but I have to give out a bit of a bad time 8-)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on May 13, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
In Denver this weekend. Nothing but good experiences. Train from the airport to the city is reasonably priced and convenient. Location isn't great.

For anyone traveling to Denver, do not Uber or taxi from the airport to downtown. Trains leave every 15 minutes and are $8 tickets. A taxi or uber to the city is 40-50.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on May 14, 2018, 05:38:31 AM
Frankfurt is permanently off my list after this weekend.  Transfer from Z66 to B24 was 2.9km walk. 

Then the Lufthansa staff took exception with my carry on. 

They definitely know how to disappoint customers.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on May 14, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
Frankfurt is permanently off my list after this weekend.  Transfer from Z66 to B24 was 2.9km walk. 

Then the Lufthansa staff took exception with my carry on. 

They definitely know how to disappoint customers.

There are definitely better places to transit in Europe if you have to connect to secondary cities on the continent (connecting in MUC or CPH is a much better experience on Star Alliance, AMS excellent on Skyteam, MAD or even LHR better than FRA on OW).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on May 14, 2018, 11:57:07 AM
There are definitely better places to transit in Europe if you have to connect to secondary cities on the continent (connecting in MUC or CPH is a much better experience on Star Alliance, AMS excellent on Skyteam, MAD or even LHR better than FRA on OW).

Agreed, much prefer MUC.  LHR for United is fantastic, but I haven't seen many flights that connect through there, but then again, when I go to Europe, I am normally ending at LHR or BRU and anything else is regional.

Speaking of issues with carry-ons, for the second time in 6 months, I had a TSA agent try to make me measure my bag BEFORE security.  First at LGA, then on Friday at EWR.  I totally get when it happens at the gate and I'm happy to gate check or even check to baggage claim (though not as happily), but being forced to go to the counter is obnoxious.  This PATRIOT physically stood in front of the entrance when I mentioned I would handle it at the gate and insisted I put it in the metal size frame.

My carry-on is standard sized, might have been bulging a bit as I was returning from 2 weeks abroad, but certainly wasn't an exorbitant size.  Being forced to measure your bag feels ridiculously demeaning and like you're being scolded, especially when Ive seen MANY appropriately sized roller carry-ons struggle to fit in something thats far less forgiving than an overhead bin.

Not to mention by this point its 40-45 min before my flight, so I need to get special treatment from United to even check my bag, doubt it would have happened if I wasn't 1K as 2 different agents told me I missed my window.  Just beyond silly.  AND, after all that, when I went back through, he didn't remember me and needed to check for my PreCheck again.  What a delight
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 14, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Agreed, much prefer MUC.  LHR for United is fantastic, but I haven't seen many flights that connect through there, but then again, when I go to Europe, I am normally ending at LHR or BRU and anything else is regional.

Speaking of issues with carry-ons, for the second time in 6 months, I had a TSA agent try to make me measure my bag BEFORE security.  First at LGA, then on Friday at EWR.  I totally get when it happens at the gate and I'm happy to gate check or even check to baggage claim (though not as happily), but being forced to go to the counter is obnoxious.  This PATRIOT physically stood in front of the entrance when I mentioned I would handle it at the gate and insisted I put it in the metal size frame.

My carry-on is standard sized, might have been bulging a bit as I was returning from 2 weeks abroad, but certainly wasn't an exorbitant size.  Being forced to measure your bag feels ridiculously demeaning and like you're being scolded, especially when Ive seen MANY appropriately sized roller carry-ons struggle to fit in something thats far less forgiving than an overhead bin.

Not to mention by this point its 40-45 min before my flight, so I need to get special treatment from United to even check my bag, doubt it would have happened if I wasn't 1K as 2 different agents told me I missed my window.  Just beyond silly.  AND, after all that, when I went back through, he didn't remember me and needed to check for my PreCheck again.  What a delight

I've just been checking in my suitcase regardless of the length of the trip.  It's no cost anyway with the Delta gold card.  People are literally fighting over the overhead bins and I found that it's better avoiding that argument for my sanity and that my luggage arrives on the carousel before I do every time anyway no matter what airport so why bother lugging around.

Last month, my suitcase was way overweight after my week in Dusseldorf and KLM surprising didn't charge me when I gave them my Delta gold card.  I believe they were supposed to charge me an overweight fee, but I still have no idea why they did not.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2018, 12:02:37 AM
The latest chapter of "Why I hate discount airlines."

http://crankyflier.com/2018/04/17/sun-country-earns-the-cranky-jackass-award-for-giving-no-options-to-stranded-customers/

This deserves a state and/or federal investigation. When you issue a ticket, you make a promise. You don't decide it is inconvenient to fly someone home and strand them. I'm suspecting that Sun Country Airlines will be getting a wave of lawsuits in Hennipen County Circuit Court in Minnesota. And, they deserve it.

As I alluded to with Allegiant yesterday, when costs become the primary driver for your existence, you lose a sense of values and ethics. It is one thing to be efficient. We all get that in our personal and business lives. It's another thing to be cheap. This is just plain cheap and unfeeling.

Quite frankly, while I think we would sell our own mothers for an extra 5% off airfare, there are some things that are just not worth being cheap over!

Yes, United dragged people off airplanes. Yes, someone's canine died in an overhead bin. But I dare say, United would never leave me stranded in a foreign country with no way out. Nor would Delta, American or Southwest.

Frontier offering golden showers now...

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/05/20/passenger-urinates-on-seat-frontier-airlines/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 22, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
Dat an ala carte add on fee, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 25, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
Several days in Salt Lake coming up. Any suggestions?  Be aware that I won’t have a car, so public transportation/Uber is a must.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 25, 2018, 03:59:42 PM
Several days in Salt Lake coming up. Any suggestions?  Be aware that I won’t have a car, so public transportation/Uber is a must.

Just went to Salt Lake for first time ever a couple weeks ago. Don’t know how to say it otherwise, but safest downtown I’ve ever seen. Downtown is fine, it’s obviously not crazy because of the Mormons, but restaurant selection was good. There’s a mile or so stretch from the Tabernacle (gorgeous, especially at dusk) to downtown with shops/restaurants. That’s pretty much it. Scenery around the city is great, and if you like to hike, I’m sure someone has a specific recommendation.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on May 30, 2018, 01:13:29 AM
Several days in Salt Lake coming up. Any suggestions?  Be aware that I won’t have a car, so public transportation/Uber is a must.

Stay somewhere between Temple and 300 S.  East of Pioneer park.  The Marriott location is perfect.  Holiday Inn express also good.  I historically have stayed at Residence Inn downtown but it's old and getting pretty bad so after my January stay there I vowed to try something different next time.  Red Rock and Squatters are affordable favorites. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sacarby’s on June 14, 2018, 08:11:44 AM
Boring Co. wins bid to build high-speed facility between O'Hare and the Loop, (allegedly) will foot the bill.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-boring-company-wins-bid-to-build-high-speed-1826822962 (https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-boring-company-wins-bid-to-build-high-speed-1826822962)

I did get a chuckle out of this line:

Quote
Musk has previously said that trips in Los Angeles using his new system could cost just $1. It’s not immediately clear why Chicago’s estimates are much higher.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on June 14, 2018, 08:29:52 AM
Just went to Salt Lake for first time ever a couple weeks ago. Don’t know how to say it otherwise, but safest downtown I’ve ever seen. Downtown is fine, it’s obviously not crazy because of the Mormons, but restaurant selection was good. There’s a mile or so stretch from the Tabernacle (gorgeous, especially at dusk) to downtown with shops/restaurants. That’s pretty much it. Scenery around the city is great, and if you like to hike, I’m sure someone has a specific recommendation.

Park City.  Looks just like the commercials.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 14, 2018, 10:02:42 AM
Boring Co. wins bid to build high-speed facility between O'Hare and the Loop, (allegedly) will foot the bill.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-boring-company-wins-bid-to-build-high-speed-1826822962 (https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-boring-company-wins-bid-to-build-high-speed-1826822962)

I did get a chuckle out of this line:

The first reactions I was seeing on Twitter and online were "why is this necessary, we already have a train, just make some express."  "Why not just have the CTA update the route and system"...which tells me those people live in the suburbs and never take the CTA, much less to Ohare.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 14, 2018, 10:17:35 AM
The first reactions I was seeing on Twitter and online were "why is this necessary, we already have a train, just make some express."  "Why not just have the CTA update the route and system"...which tells me those people live in the suburbs and never take the CTA, much less to Ohare.

I'm more excited about the Elgin/ORD finally going to ORD after 30 years (or however long it's been). Given I live in Elgin (and the Elgin/ORD doesn't go to Elgin), but hopefully this makes getting out of ORD a lot easier. That I-190 route absolutely sucks leaving the airport.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on June 14, 2018, 11:12:37 AM
I'm more excited about the Elgin/ORD finally going to ORD after 30 years (or however long it's been). Given I live in Elgin (and the Elgin/ORD doesn't go to Elgin), but hopefully this makes getting out of ORD a lot easier. That I-190 route absolutely sucks leaving the airport.

It doesn't go to ORD either.

They need to change the name to the Hanover Park/Itasca expressway.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 14, 2018, 11:22:57 AM
It doesn't go to ORD either.

They need to change the name to the Hanover Park/Itasca expressway.

You’re correct, but it was announced today the ORD western access route will be completed by 2025. The litigation between the railroads and IDOT was settled or dropped (if I read the Trib correctly).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on June 14, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
You’re correct, but it was announced today the ORD western access route will be completed by 2025. The litigation between the railroads and IDOT was settled or dropped (if I read the Trib correctly).

Funny, chick and I hope to be long gone by then relocating to greener pastures.  We'll have waited a lifetime for nothing!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 14, 2018, 12:44:12 PM
Funny, chick and I hope to be long gone by then relocating to greener pastures.  We'll have waited a lifetime for nothing!

It’s funny because for 10 years, I drove the Elgin/ORD from Elgin to the office park next to the Westin off of 355/Thorndale. When I changed jobs 4 years ago, they started the Elgin/ORD expansion to what it is today. I never used it for work after it got significantly better, but also happily missed having to pay all those tolls.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on June 14, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
It’s funny because for 10 years, I drove the Elgin/ORD from Elgin to the office park next to the Westin off of 355/Thorndale. When I changed jobs 4 years ago, they started the Elgin/ORD expansion to what it is today. I never used it for work after it got significantly better, but also happily missed having to pay all those tolls.

Cool, in 7 years I can save 10 minutes heading to ORD...

Of course at that point, the 355 will no longer be the emptiest highway around Chicago, and you probably won't be able to go 85 consistently from Schaumburg to Joliet...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on June 14, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
It’s funny because for 10 years, I drove the Elgin/ORD from Elgin to the office park next to the Westin off of 355/Thorndale. When I changed jobs 4 years ago, they started the Elgin/ORD expansion to what it is today. I never used it for work after it got significantly better, but also happily missed having to pay all those tolls.

You and me both.  I called it 'Glow's house to Glow's work' expressway.  Those tolls still piss me off although these days I'm usually heading up to MKE.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on June 14, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
It’s funny because for 10 years, I drove the Elgin/ORD from Elgin to the office park next to the Westin off of 355/Thorndale. When I changed jobs 4 years ago, they started the Elgin/ORD expansion to what it is today. I never used it for work after it got significantly better, but also happily missed having to pay all those tolls.

Hmmmm...Glow worked in one of those buildings for almost 20 years.

We are so old we were living where we live before both the Elgin OHare and I355.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 14, 2018, 03:52:45 PM
Hmmmm...Glow worked in one of those buildings for almost 20 years.

We are so old we were living where we live before both the Elgin OHare and I355.

Same here, I grew up wondering why the Elgin/ORD was going to be built when it didn’t actually go to either destination.

I worked at 500 Park Blvd for 10 years. I walked around the Hamilton Lakes walking path almost every day, pretty good amenities and location for a suburban office park.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on May 14, 2019, 04:21:27 PM
Traveling to Spain/Portugal in September. Barcelona, Sevilla, Lisbon, Porto. Four days in each city. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on May 14, 2019, 08:49:49 PM
Traveling to Spain/Portugal in September. Barcelona, Sevilla, Lisbon, Porto. Four days in each city. Any recommendations?

Learn Spanish.  Then Portuguese.  Not to fluency... just enough to show you’re putting in an effort. 

Seriously. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on May 14, 2019, 09:01:22 PM
Learn Spanish.  Then Portuguese.  Not to fluency... just enough to show you’re putting in an effort. 

Seriously.

Catalan > Spanish if you're in Catalonia.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on May 14, 2019, 10:09:53 PM
Barcelona

Picasso museum...who knew that already as a young man he was a highly skilled classic painter...think Velasquez/Zubaran
Evening walk down Las Ramblas (main drag) toward the sea then left up along the beach Columbus ship replicas, great eats leftover improvements from 92 Olympics
Head up to the hills to site of 32 worlds fair recreation of multiple habitats with Gaudi works too....and of course Sagrada Familia
Of your cities this is the best for an evening tapas crawl. Start in the old section near the main cathederal

Sevilla

Cathedral...biggest in Europe...lots of gold
La Giralda and El Alcazar...remember the Moors ruled much of Spain for almost 500 years and this was one of their capitals
The river...take a tour boat....great views and very relaxing
Great food here try to sample Andalusian specialties every region of Spain prides itself on its local fare
Plaza de Espana best location of art tile work in Spain ...great for a relaxing siesta
As you'll miss Madrid where the best art is grab a little at the Museo de Bellas arte
If you can read spanish the General Archive of the Indies has all the documents of Columbus and of 300 years of spanish control of South America

We try to get over annually also. This year its a few weeks in Madrid and Galicia in late August early September
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 14, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Learn Spanish.  Then Portuguese.  Not to fluency... just enough to show you’re putting in an effort. 

Seriously.

I actually very much agree with this. Spain and Portugal are the two countries I’ve been to where it was striking how much of a difference in the travel experience was based on a willingness to try to speak the language.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 15, 2019, 04:50:17 AM
Anybody have Edinburgh recommendations?

Huge scotch lover but primarily stick to Highland and Islay scotches so I'm not too familiar with the local distilleries if anyone could advise. Anything that is a must do, must try restaurant/pub, or must skip attraction?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 15, 2019, 09:56:10 AM
Anybody have Edinburgh recommendations?

Huge scotch lover but primarily stick to Highland and Islay scotches so I'm not too familiar with the local distilleries if anyone could advise. Anything that is a must do, must try restaurant/pub, or must skip attraction?

Never been but a quick google search and I'd try to hit this place in Edinburgh: https://www.scotchwhiskyexperience.co.uk/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 15, 2019, 10:07:18 AM
Never been but a quick google search and I'd try to hit this place in Edinburgh: https://www.scotchwhiskyexperience.co.uk/

Yeah that's the one thing that keeps coming up. Was hoping for a legit distillery but looks like that's going to be the spot
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on May 15, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Most of the distilleries are up in the highlands or islands. Not much in Edinburgh/Glasgow areas.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on May 15, 2019, 10:49:14 AM
I actually very much agree with this. Spain and Portugal are the two countries I’ve been to where it was striking how much of a difference in the travel experience was based on a willingness to try to speak the language.

Can't speak to Portugese, but Spaniards 1000%.  Ive spoke more or less fluent Spanish since I was in college.  Ordering in Spanish at Mexican or Latin restaurant in the US usually gets a smile and they will return in kind and usually be a bit more friendly.  But Spaniards are a different level.

Beyond Spain, in Spanish restaurants in NY and London, multiple times, speaking/ordering in Spanish took service from polite but efficient/brief to conversational, jovial, and recommendations. My GF when we went in NYC was stunned to the point she thought I was flirting initially.  Its a very warm and friendly culture that they are happy to share when you connect on that level.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on May 15, 2019, 01:38:38 PM
Learn Spanish.  Then Portuguese.  Not to fluency... just enough to show you’re putting in an effort. 

Seriously.

I know enough Spanish to get by but will brush up on it over the next few months. My girlfriend is nearly fluent so hopefully that'll be enough to get by.

I'm hopeless in Portuguese, though.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on May 15, 2019, 01:54:50 PM
Barcelona

Picasso museum...who knew that already as a young man he was a highly skilled classic painter...think Velasquez/Zubaran
Evening walk down Las Ramblas (main drag) toward the sea then left up along the beach Columbus ship replicas, great eats leftover improvements from 92 Olympics
Head up to the hills to site of 32 worlds fair recreation of multiple habitats with Gaudi works too....and of course Sagrada Familia
Of your cities this is the best for an evening tapas crawl. Start in the old section near the main cathederal

Sevilla

Cathedral...biggest in Europe...lots of gold
La Giralda and El Alcazar...remember the Moors ruled much of Spain for almost 500 years and this was one of their capitals
The river...take a tour boat....great views and very relaxing
Great food here try to sample Andalusian specialties every region of Spain prides itself on its local fare
Plaza de Espana best location of art tile work in Spain ...great for a relaxing siesta
As you'll miss Madrid where the best art is grab a little at the Museo de Bellas arte
If you can read spanish the General Archive of the Indies has all the documents of Columbus and of 300 years of spanish control of South America

We try to get over annually also. This year its a few weeks in Madrid and Galicia in late August early September
A few more tips for Sevilla:
Barrio Santa Cruz-wander around going from bar to bar experiencing each bar's best tapas.
If you can, stay at the Hotel Dona Maria-right in the heart of the city, with a rooftop bar and pool overlooking the Cathedral. Surprisingly inexpensive
Attend a bullfight
If you like spanish plates/tiles-please do so. Beautiful
Parqu de Maria Luisa-Plaza de America

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: LloydsLegs on May 15, 2019, 01:55:25 PM
Anybody have Edinburgh recommendations?

Huge scotch lover but primarily stick to Highland and Islay scotches so I'm not too familiar with the local distilleries if anyone could advise. Anything that is a must do, must try restaurant/pub, or must skip attraction?

Highly recommend Scran and Scallie pub for dinner
Good GIN distillery/tasting bar across from Waldorf Astoria - Caledonian
We hired a driver for a day who took us (among other places) to Aberfeldy (Highlands)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 15, 2019, 01:59:22 PM
Highly recommend Scran and Scallie pub for dinner
Good GIN distillery/tasting bar across from Waldorf Astoria - Caledonian
We hired a driver for a day who took us (among other places) to Aberfeldy (Highlands)

Thanks Legs. Not must of a Gin drinker and neither is my mom, did it give you an appreciation that wasn't there? or were you already a Gin guy?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 15, 2019, 02:13:18 PM
The Spaniards speak English but won't.  In Portugal, they really don't speak English. 

My Spanish is good enough to order.  The Portuguese people are some of the warmest around. Your Spanish can make do in Portugal.

Btw, La Rambla is overrated. All Russian hookers and street thiefs. I would add Montserrat if you are in Barca for four days. 

Sevilla:  Four days is a long time.  Consider a day trip to Gibraltar and/or Morocco.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 15, 2019, 08:46:43 PM
The Spaniards speak English but won't.  In Portugal, they really don't speak English. 

My Spanish is good enough to order.  The Portuguese people are some of the warmest around. Your Spanish can make do in Portugal.

Btw, La Rambla is overrated. All Russian hookers and street thiefs. I would add Montserrat if you are in Barca for four days. 

Sevilla:  Four days is a long time.  Consider a day trip to Gibraltar and/or Morocco.

I once worked at a factory full of Portuguese and Brazilian immigrants.  They all told me they can understand Spanish, but Spanish speakers can't understand them.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on May 16, 2019, 11:03:25 AM
I once worked at a factory full of Portuguese and Brazilian immigrants.  They all told me they can understand Spanish, but Spanish speakers can't understand them.

Were they cardiologists back in Portugal?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 24, 2019, 03:30:09 AM
Has anyone flown in "real" United Polaris  in recent months. Being a United UDP ("Unprofitable Domestic Passenger"), I never see "real" Polaris, so when I booked a flight to Paris last month for last week, I was really intrigued.

I was incredibly disappointed. In fact, I had trouble fathoming the big deal about Polaris. The product is marginally better than United's non-Polaris equipped planes and the service, candidly, is typically United -- spotty to indifferent where the flight attendants are "there" but seem generally disinterested in going the extra mile, or even doing their job.

Full disclosure: the service on the return flight has been exponentially better than on the outbound. The pulsar is the same hard worker but the rest of the flight attendants on this trip are outstanding. United needs to bottle and sell this service quality. The seats are still indifferent, though.

The Polaris Lounge in Chicago is great, but the lounges are only in Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and Newark. Pity the poor sucker that flies through, say, Dulles (America's worst hub) or Los Angeles.

The fivefour-across seats solve the problem of crawling across your neighbor, but trying to sleep is like trying to sleep in an MRI tube -- or a coffin. The area around the seat where you place your head is inadequately wide for the human shoulder -- an ergonomic sacrifice on the altar of efficiency. It's easier to move in an MRI tube than it is to move in  one of these seats. And getting in and out, well, yuck.

I'll admit it's better than the eight-across coach masquerading as first class in the 777-200s. But damn,  if your competition is the foreign airlines, I suspect United has a long way to go. I suspect this makes their premium economy product  attractive.

Am I too harsh????????   
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 24, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
I flew a 787-9 from LAX to IAH the other day, while it didn't have full Polaris service, I definitely see your point. I'm 1K and got upgraded to 6L. The lay flat leaves alot to be desired, it is fairly narrow, and the arm rest doesn't move which makes laying fairly uncomfortable. I had a short flight relatively speaking for a 787, but I can see flying overseas and trying to be comfortable for an extended period of time being not worth the cash/points (if you don't get an auto upgrade).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on May 24, 2019, 09:19:26 AM
I flew a 787-9 from LAX to IAH the other day, while it didn't have full Polaris service, I definitely see your point. I'm 1K and got upgraded to 6L. The lay flat leaves alot to be desired, it is fairly narrow, and the arm rest doesn't move which makes laying fairly uncomfortable. I had a short flight relatively speaking for a 787, but I can see flying overseas and trying to be comfortable for an extended period of time being not worth the cash/points (if you don't get an auto upgrade).


Keep in mind... you're not paying a premium for Polaris. You're paying the premium to not be in coach.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 24, 2019, 09:46:40 AM

Keep in mind... you're not paying a premium for Polaris. You're paying the premium to not be in coach.

I’m not paying anything, I wasn’t going to take that particular route unless I knew I would get upgraded at no charge. I’d have been fine in Economy Plus or Premier Plus.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 24, 2019, 09:52:24 AM

Keep in mind... you're not paying a premium for Polaris. You're paying the premium to not be in coach.

NO. Many of us are paying for Polaris. We’re paying for a level of service appropriate to an international flight of eight to 10 hours.

Brother Gyros, I also took a walk back into United Premium Economy (also known as “Coach with more leg room). It’s on international flights and is distinguished from Economy Plus by eight across seating (current United 777-200 protocol is a cramped 10 across in standard economy) and about 34-36 inches of seat pitch. I actually think that looks like a great deal given the comparative cramped position of United Polaris.

It seems like United just can’t shed the bean counters attitude toward its most loyal customers.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on May 24, 2019, 09:57:35 AM
Has anyone flown in "real" United Polaris  in recent months. Being a United UDP ("Unprofitable Domestic Passenger"), I never see "real" Polaris, so when I booked a flight to Paris last month for last week, I was really intrigued.

I was incredibly disappointed. In fact, I had trouble fathoming the big deal about Polaris. The product is marginally better than United's non-Polaris equipped planes and the service, candidly, is typically United -- spotty to indifferent where the flight attendants are "there" but seem generally disinterested in going the extra mile, or even doing their job.

Full disclosure: the service on the return flight has been exponentially better than on the outbound. The pulsar is the same hard worker but the rest of the flight attendants on this trip are outstanding. United needs to bottle and sell this service quality. The seats are still indifferent, though.

The Polaris Lounge in Chicago is great, but the lounges are only in Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and Newark. Pity the poor sucker that flies through, say, Dulles (America's worst hub) or Los Angeles.

The five-across seats solve the problem of crawling across your neighbor, but trying to sleep is like trying to sleep in an MRI tube -- or a coffin. The area around the seat where you place your head is inadequately wide for the human shoulder -- an ergonomic sacrifice on the altar of efficiency. It's easier to move in an MRI tube than it is to move in  one of these seats. And getting in and out, well, yuck.

I'll admit it's better than the eight-across coach masquerading as first class in the 777-200s. But damn,  if your competition is the foreign airlines, I suspect United has a long way to go. I suspect this makes their premium economy product  attractive.

Am I too harsh????????   

What route did you fly?  ORD to CDG?  They don't have any routes with the new Polaris seating out of Chicago yet, save for random unplanned planes that get moved around.  Not sure what you mean by 5 across?  The new layout is 1-2-1 and every seat has aisle access.

As someone has flown the majority of my 1K business class upgrades on the terrible 777-200s, its a HUGE upgrade.  They finally started flying it on the EWR to BOM routes, so I finally flew it in Jan, and then again on a HKG to EWR flight in March.  I had no issues with the new seat and love the privacy/direct aisle access.  I have no clue what you expect if 4 across business is "cramped". Literally no other airline has less.

United can't compete with the foreign carriers, name the Asian and Middle Eastern, but their seats have been reviewed very favorably across the internet.  Service is spotty, I agree.  You'll have great FAs and some that don't care, its not consistent.  But the bedding/pillows are fantastic.  The new seats are a huge improvement.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 24, 2019, 10:14:42 AM
What route did you fly?  ORD to CDG?  They don't have any routes with the new Polaris seating out of Chicago yet, save for random unplanned planes that get moved around.  Not sure what you mean by 5 across?  The new layout is 1-2-1 and every seat has aisle access.

As someone has flown the majority of my 1K business class upgrades on the terrible 777-200s, its a HUGE upgrade.  They finally started flying it on the EWR to BOM routes, so I finally flew it in Jan, and then again on a HKG to EWR flight in March.  I had no issues with the new seat and love the privacy/direct aisle access.  I have no clue what you expect if 4 across business is "cramped". Literally no other airline has less.

United can't compete with the foreign carriers, name the Asian and Middle Eastern, but their seats have been reviewed very favorably across the internet.  Service is spotty, I agree.  You'll have great FAs and some that don't care, its not consistent.  But the bedding/pillows are fantastic.  The new seats are a huge improvement.

Brother Wags:

IAD-CDG.

My son and I flew to France to celebrate his 21st birthday. We had “real” Polaris on the 5:25 p.m., CDG Departure and again on the 12:25 p.m., IAD departure today. I don’t disagree that the Polaris is a huge upgrade from the 777-200 Business cattle cars, which probably should be called Waygu Class. And, you are right — my oversight on the 4 across. I’m just not a big fan of sleeping/resting in a coffin or an MRI tube. Neither engender warmth!

I have compared it to United International First, which I’ve flown quite a few times to Europe (most recently 1.5 years ago to LHR). Not even close! The amenities on Global First, which is a thing of the past not just with United but with many other European and Asian airlines, were far superior to what we experienced in Polaris.

Given the hype with which United rolled Polaris out, it’s a dud.

Full disclosure: I’m sitting on United 914 4A from CDG to IAD as I write this.

P.S. — The SFA amenities were an improvement, to the extent we received them, but I suspect there are more than what we received. Something about limited quantities. If United can’t have enough of what they offer for each passenger, then, well, yikes.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 24, 2019, 06:10:32 PM
Traveling to Spain/Portugal in September. Barcelona, Sevilla, Lisbon, Porto. Four days in each city. Any recommendations?

I’d add a. Day to Barcelona and take one away from Sevilla.
There are some great beer bars in Barcelona. Will get you a list if interested.

Take tuk-tuk tour in Lisbon. Great way to see the city. Do it on the first day. Eat in the a Time Out market. Eat peri peri chicken.  Go to Belen. And Sinatra. Make a day of it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on May 24, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
When my first daughter turned 10, I took her to Washington DC.  I really just wanted to see the Cubs play the Nats, but it turned into a birthday present and, I guess, a tradition I will now do with the other kids.

On June 9 I'm taking my 10 year-old daughter to New York to see a Harry Potter play on Broadway.  We're staying in Times Square and flying into LaGuardia.  Does anyone have a good recommendation for getting to the airport to our hotel?

(I'm not trying to start another debate), but I should probably mention I don't have a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 24, 2019, 06:22:04 PM
Taxi. No other good way without Uber or lyft.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 24, 2019, 07:22:12 PM
When my first daughter turned 10, I took her to Washington DC.  I really just wanted to see the Cubs play the Nats, but it turned into a birthday present and, I guess, a tradition I will now do with the other kids.

On June 9 I'm taking my 10 year-old daughter to New York to see a Harry Potter play on Broadway.  We're staying in Times Square and flying into LaGuardia.  Does anyone have a good recommendation for getting to the airport to our hotel?

(I'm not trying to start another debate), but I should probably mention I don't have a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone.


Take da furst horse and buggy ya cee, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on May 24, 2019, 07:54:45 PM
When my first daughter turned 10, I took her to Washington DC.  I really just wanted to see the Cubs play the Nats, but it turned into a birthday present and, I guess, a tradition I will now do with the other kids.

On June 9 I'm taking my 10 year-old daughter to New York to see a Harry Potter play on Broadway.  We're staying in Times Square and flying into LaGuardia.  Does anyone have a good recommendation for getting to the airport to our hotel?

(I'm not trying to start another debate), but I should probably mention I don't have a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone.

Its hard to tell because LGA seems to change week to week because of construction but I arrived there a couple weeks ago and found their Uber set-up to be excellent.  They have an Uber "lounge" in the arrival area with a couple helpful employees to help you know where to go to find the cars but it's also well signed.  You book your car and actually walk into the parking garage into a designated ride share pickup area.  Once your car confirms you text back to the driver and tell them what pillar you are standing at (4F, 4E, etc.) and the car pulls up to where you are standing.  Pretty easy.

There are bus links to manhattan from LGA if you really want to do it on the cheap, but the Uber thing is so easy I wouldn't try anything else.

On ground level there is a queue for smelly yellow taxi for those who are not smartphone enabled. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 24, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
I was at LGA last week, taxi is really your only option without Uber/Lyft.

I’m actually fighting with the Renaissance in Midtown right now over their valet service to the airport that was supposed to be $54, and then my credit card got dinged at $85.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on May 24, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
I’d add a. Day to Barcelona and take one away from Sevilla.
There are some great beer bars in Barcelona. Will get you a list if interested.

Take tuk-tuk tour in Lisbon. Great way to see the city. Do it on the first day. Eat in the a Time Out market. Eat peri peri chicken.  Go to Belen. And Sinatra. Make a day of it.

Would love a list. Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: buckchuckler on May 24, 2019, 09:25:00 PM
Traveling to Spain/Portugal in September. Barcelona, Sevilla, Lisbon, Porto. Four days in each city. Any recommendations?

Sagrada Familia (in Barcelona). For me, I think really the most beautiful man made structure I have ever seen.  Spend the time to go inside.  The outside is cool as heck, but the inside, with all the stained glass, lights up like crazy.  Red, yellow and orange on one side, and blues and greens on the other.  It is immensely beautiful.   You can also go up to the top and have great views of the city.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 24, 2019, 10:37:37 PM
Would love a list. Thanks for the suggestions!

When do you go?


Barcelona

Bars:
Red Fish Barcelona - great beach bar - https://www.facebook.com/redfishbarcelona
Biercab - Beers from around the world - https://www.facebook.com/biercab
Garage Beer Co - Local microbrew, they did a collaboration with our local brewery - https://www.facebook.com/Garage-Beer-Co-228690754358087
Kælderkold - great beer selection in the Gothic quarter - https://www.instagram.com/olgodcraftbeer/
Cocovail - https://www.facebook.com/cocovailbeerhall

Tapa Tapa Maremagnum - touristy, but a great location on the marina if you can get an outdoor seat. good cheap tapas and wine. https://www.facebook.com/Tapatapabar-306968553174204/


Lisbon:

Bars:
Crafty Corner - good local beers, good wings - https://www.craftycornerbeer.com/
Castro Beer - https://www.craftycornerbeer.com/

Walk along the river, ton of little outdoor stands. Go to the main square on the water, hang a right, start walking. Sit, have a drink, watch the world go by.
Stop at any hole in the wall that has Ginja, a cherry liquor that is a tradition. Have a shot.

Food:
Time Out Market (good local beers too): https://www.timeoutmarket.com/lisboa/
Piri Piri Chicken - It is just grill chicken with piri piri sauce, a national favorite
Two places that had good ones:
Piri Piri - R. do Arco do Marquês de Alegrete 9, 1100-034 Lisboa
Bonjardim - a bit more touristy, but good - Tv. de Santo Antão 12, 1150-265 Lisboa

Get out to Belem and see the Belem Tower and the Monument to the Discoveries. Go to the top of both.
As I said, do a tuk tuk tour when you get there, gives you a great overview of the very hilly city. We used these guys, but there are a ton out there - https://www.lisbon-tuk-tours.com/tuktukbestsellers

Sintra is cool if you have the time.  Could be combined with Belem
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 24, 2019, 10:41:10 PM
Oh, and in Sevilla, find a park, square, plaza where there is a stand that sells fresh squeezed orange juice, sit and have a glass and watch the world go by. You will never be happy with store bought OJ again. And have a second glass and ask them to add vodka. Repeat.

Looking back at my posts, I think I may have a drinking problem.  ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 25, 2019, 06:58:05 AM
When my first daughter turned 10, I took her to Washington DC.  I really just wanted to see the Cubs play the Nats, but it turned into a birthday present and, I guess, a tradition I will now do with the other kids.

On June 9 I'm taking my 10 year-old daughter to New York to see a Harry Potter play on Broadway.  We're staying in Times Square and flying into LaGuardia.  Does anyone have a good recommendation for getting to the airport to our hotel?

(I'm not trying to start another debate), but I should probably mention I don't have a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone.

LGA is a mess right now with the major construction.  As suggested taxi or Uber are really the only choices.  (JFK has a train option.). Just allow yourself a few extra minutes getting to LGA. 
I fly out of there frequently.  2 weeks ago I forgot to reserve the parking for Terminal D and had to park in B and it added 30-40 getting in & out of the terminal waiting for shuttle busses then going around the LGA loop.  Thank goodness for Pre-Check and Silver Medallion status.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 25, 2019, 07:41:57 AM
Oh, and in Sevilla, find a park, square, plaza where there is a stand that sells fresh squeezed orange juice, sit and have a glass and watch the world go by. You will never be happy with store bought OJ again. And have a second glass and ask them to add vodka. Repeat.

Looking back at my posts, I think I may have a drinking problem.  ;D
.

I can confirm.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 25, 2019, 10:53:14 AM
.

I can confirm.

Thanks for confirming that my Sevilla suggestion was a good one.  ;)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on May 25, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
When do you go?


Barcelona

Bars:
Red Fish Barcelona - great beach bar - https://www.facebook.com/redfishbarcelona
Biercab - Beers from around the world - https://www.facebook.com/biercab
Garage Beer Co - Local microbrew, they did a collaboration with our local brewery - https://www.facebook.com/Garage-Beer-Co-228690754358087
Kælderkold - great beer selection in the Gothic quarter - https://www.instagram.com/olgodcraftbeer/
Cocovail - https://www.facebook.com/cocovailbeerhall

Tapa Tapa Maremagnum - touristy, but a great location on the marina if you can get an outdoor seat. good cheap tapas and wine. https://www.facebook.com/Tapatapabar-306968553174204/


Lisbon:

Bars:
Crafty Corner - good local beers, good wings - https://www.craftycornerbeer.com/
Castro Beer - https://www.craftycornerbeer.com/

Walk along the river, ton of little outdoor stands. Go to the main square on the water, hang a right, start walking. Sit, have a drink, watch the world go by.
Stop at any hole in the wall that has Ginja, a cherry liquor that is a tradition. Have a shot.

Food:
Time Out Market (good local beers too): https://www.timeoutmarket.com/lisboa/
Piri Piri Chicken - It is just grill chicken with piri piri sauce, a national favorite
Two places that had good ones:
Piri Piri - R. do Arco do Marquês de Alegrete 9, 1100-034 Lisboa
Bonjardim - a bit more touristy, but good - Tv. de Santo Antão 12, 1150-265 Lisboa

Get out to Belem and see the Belem Tower and the Monument to the Discoveries. Go to the top of both.
As I said, do a tuk tuk tour when you get there, gives you a great overview of the very hilly city. We used these guys, but there are a ton out there - https://www.lisbon-tuk-tours.com/tuktukbestsellers

Sintra is cool if you have the time.  Could be combined with Belem

Sincere thank you for all the suggestions. We'll make sure to check some (or all) of these places out in each city. We're already planning on Sintra and Belem.

We go the first few weeks of September.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 25, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
LGA is a mess right now with the major construction.  As suggested taxi or Uber are really the only choices.  (JFK has a train option.). Just allow yourself a few extra minutes getting to LGA. 
I fly out of there frequently.  2 weeks ago I forgot to reserve the parking for Terminal D and had to park in B and it added 30-40 getting in & out of the terminal waiting for shuttle busses then going around the LGA loop.  Thank goodness for Pre-Check and Silver Medallion status.
Flew in and out of LGA last week. Construction is a mess. On arrival, instead of getting in taxi line outside of terminal, all taxi pickups are a 5 minute shuttle bus ride away. Not a big deal, but if used to looking for cabs at terminal it was a little odd.

Give yourself plenty of time when you leave.  I would also suggest to look at JFK and Newark both have trains that take you right to Penn Station and Times Square is just a few blocks north of Penn Station. Cab from Grand Central area to LGA was close to $50 (probably more with tip). Train is just a few dollars.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 26, 2019, 10:40:10 AM
Sincere thank you for all the suggestions. We'll make sure to check some (or all) of these places out in each city. We're already planning on Sintra and Belem.

We go the first few weeks of September.

Not sure I would go far out of my way for any of them. But you will likely be on the beach and the Gothic Quarter, so two for sure. If you are in the neighborhood of the others and need a break, good palces to stop. Mrs pbflyer really liked Garage.

Not sure who you are going with, but if you need to buy gifts for females, the cork jewelry in Lisbon goes over really well. Buy them at a market in a square. Cheap and popular. One of my wife's favorite pieces of jewelry.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 02, 2019, 11:50:01 PM
Doing a Brewers road trip and hitting Great American Ball Park and PNC the first week of July. Would welcome Cincy and Pittsburgh restaurant/bar suggestions as well as any must sees while in the cities for a few days.

I've been to Cincinnati a few times and done everything there except the Newport Aquarium. Looking mostly for nightlife, bars and restaurants.

It will be our first time in Pittsburgh so all suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on June 04, 2019, 11:41:11 AM
Just a quick heads up.

Came back from Normandy a little over a week ago. The tour of the beaches is moving, especially given the sacrifices that many made on the day of the invasion. It was special to be able to tour the area and to realize what type of country we and our allies are.

Stayed in Bayeaux, France, about 20 minutes away. Bayeaux is a fascinating little town that was untouched by World War II. Good food and very friendly people. Scenery is very pretty in the area. Also went to St. Lo, where we saw an 11th century cathedral that had been badly damaged in WWII but reconstructed. Damage from artillery was still there in the walls. Most interesting piece: seeing the new and legacy stain glass.

How do I know it's new: It had a drawing of a farmer on a Ford tractor in it and another had etchings of St. John XXIII and Maximillian Kolb in it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 04, 2019, 03:43:51 PM
Just a quick heads up.

Came back from Normandy a little over a week ago. The tour of the beaches is moving, especially given the sacrifices that many made on the day of the invasion. It was special to be able to tour the area and to realize what type of country we and our allies are.

Stayed in Bayeaux, France, about 20 minutes away. Bayeaux is a fascinating little town that was untouched by World War II. Good food and very friendly people. Scenery is very pretty in the area. Also went to St. Lo, where we saw an 11th century cathedral that had been badly damaged in WWII but reconstructed. Damage from artillery was still there in the walls. Most interesting piece: seeing the new and legacy stain glass.

How do I know it's new: It had a drawing of a farmer on a Ford tractor in it and another had etchings of St. John XXIII and Maximillian Kolb in it.

Last night, I just took photos of my photos from my Normandy visit in February 1986.  (The good ole Kodak Disc Camera.)  I planned to share on Facebook for the 75th anniversary of D-Day.  As a high school exchange student in LeMans a trip to Normandy was included.   I visited Bayeux too and saw the Bayeux Tapestry with Haley's Comet on it which was cool to see because the comet was passing Earth in 1986.  I remember hanging out on the church steps in St. Lo in the evening as our hotel was there.

I was very moved too looking at Omaha Beach knowing my Great Uncle and his twin brother landed on it on Day 1.  I also vividly recall visiting Pont-du-Hoc, the Mulberry Harbor at Arromanche and the American Cemetery in COLLEVILLE-SUR-MER. 

Le Mont St Michel is the area as is St. Malo where all the French explorers departed from on there way to the New World.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on June 04, 2019, 03:53:32 PM
I love Normandy.

My ancestors came from Dieppe and settled in Trois Rivieres in Quebec in the late 1600s, before making their way to Southern New France (Ste. Genevieve and later St. Louis, where I was born).

Visted the Normandy Beaches in 2013, but was unable to go to the cemeteries as our government was shut down (infuriating). Pont du Hoc was by far the most memorable experience of that day.

Mont St Michel was worthwhile, although incredibly touristy nowadays.

The food in Normandy is incredible. I've never had anything like the fresh seafood from there.

Nantes is also a cool nearby city worth checking out (in Brittany, not Normandy, but still close). It is not touristy at all, you get a great sense of the local culture and cuisine. There is a beautiful castle in the town center, which you can tour. It is also worth seeing the Machines of the Isle of Nantes: https://www.lesmachines-nantes.fr/en/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on June 04, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
Mont St Michel was worthwhile, although incredibly touristy nowadays.

The food in Normandy is incredible. I've never had anything like the fresh seafood from there.

I did Mont St. Michel on the Sunday I was there. What was amazing about it was that they built this massive abbey on top of a rock in the Atlantic Ocean. They did so by moving massive stones to a large rock outcropping and then lifting them to the final location. In the 10th Century!

No steel. No iron and no other supporting structures. Just stone. Amazing.

Think about it. The work was done without cranes, without hydraulics and without bulldozers and dynamite. The notion of being able to do this with, what by today's standards, is primitive and almost primordial construction techniques is beyond fathoming.

P.S. -- The tapestry was a hoot as well. There were some scenes of everyday life in the first few panels that were, to say the least, amusing.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on June 04, 2019, 04:56:09 PM
I did Mont St. Michel on the Sunday I was there. What was amazing about it was that they built this massive abbey on top of a rock in the Atlantic Ocean. They did so by moving massive stones to a large rock outcropping and then lifting them to the final location. In the 10th Century!

No steel. No iron and no other supporting structures. Just stone. Amazing.

Think about it. The work was done without cranes, without hydraulics and without bulldozers and dynamite. The notion of being able to do this with, what by today's standards, is primitive and almost primordial construction techniques is beyond fathoming.

P.S. -- The tapestry was a hoot as well. There were some scenes of everyday life in the first few panels that were, to say the least, amusing.

The abbey was very cool indeed. Didn't mean to knock Mt St Michel, just wish there wasn't so much touristy stuff at the bottom of the Mount.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 17, 2019, 09:01:10 PM
https://instagram.com/passengershaming?igshid=n8lzp8grzuqc

Any Scoopers in here?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 18, 2019, 07:27:06 AM
Damn, there are a lot of messed up people on a plane.  WTF?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 16, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
Grand Rapids recommendations anyone?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 16, 2019, 01:19:32 PM
Founders Brewing?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 16, 2019, 01:53:42 PM
Founders Brewing?

Yeah that's about all I know about the place
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 16, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
Grand Rapids recommendations anyone?
 

Recommendations for what?   When will you be here and for how long?    Business or pleasure?     I am your GRR huckleberry.   
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 16, 2019, 02:48:14 PM
 

Recommendations for what?   When will you be here and for how long?    Business or pleasure?     I am your GRR huckleberry.   

Thursday mid day to Friday afternoon for pleasure. Ideally two restaurants, a cool bar and if there's a more unique brewery than founders you'd suggest. Also at least one cheap dive food spot.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 16, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
This week?    Where are you staying?    What is your favorite kind of diner dive food?   

https://harmonybeer.com/
http://www.mittenbrewing.com/
https://www.perrinbrewing.com/
http://newhollandbrew.com/knickerbocker/
https://www.atwaterbeer.com/locations/atwater-grand-rapids/

If you are staying downtown, New Holland and Atwater are within walking distance, a little less than 1/2 mile apart, crossing the river.   
Mitten is a mile and a half from downtown,  has phenomenal pizza and good homemade beer.    If you are really feeling adventurous, try the Westerdog pizza.   
Harmony has two locations, in opposite directions from downtown.    I recommend the Eastown location.   
 Perrin is about 6 miles from downtown, but has a good menu and my personal favorite, Perrin Black Ale.   

If you are downtown and just want to eat stupid, I recommend Stella's   https://www.stellasgr.com/

Or the original Hopcat.     http://www.hopcat.com/

If you are staying out by the airport, honestly, it feels like any other generic upscale suburb.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 16, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Things that bother me about air travel...and safety.

Getting banged on the head in my aisle seat by clueless dorks with backpacks who can’t carry them at waist level as they enter the plane.

The up and downers to the overhead bins.

Families who let their young kids take over the luggage carousel (Hint: They cannot carry your overstuffed 60 pound luggage bag and the carousel isn’t a playground).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on July 16, 2019, 08:33:49 PM
Alright looking at a winter vacation resorts, criteria:

1. Non-stop from ORD. MKE would be a plus if possible.
2. All-inclusive. Don’t care what your opinion is.
3. Within 60 minutes from destination airport, we’ll have a private transfer, but prefer not to spend a lot of time in transit.
4. Golf nearby or included.

Adults only preferred, butler service is nice. Prefer to be on the ocean, but not a dealbreaker. Good food is a priority, but the all inclusive part understands the quality may be lacking.

I’m going to get 4ever’s suggestion of Hedo out of the way, we’re not looking at getting into that. I’d have to grow a mustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions and I'd need a new bedspread and new curtains I'd have to get thick carpeting and weirdo lighting.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on July 16, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
Cabo San Lucas. Best beaches. Wonderful restaurants and great people.

More than a few all-inclusive resorts if that's your gig.

Non-stop from ORD on AA and UA.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on July 16, 2019, 11:09:51 PM
Grand Rapids recommendations anyone?

It’s been more than a few years since I was a regular visitor in GR, but if you have the means, I highly suggest the JW Marriott.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on July 17, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
This week?    Where are you staying?    What is your favorite kind of diner dive food?   

https://harmonybeer.com/
http://www.mittenbrewing.com/
https://www.perrinbrewing.com/
http://newhollandbrew.com/knickerbocker/
https://www.atwaterbeer.com/locations/atwater-grand-rapids/

If you are staying downtown, New Holland and Atwater are within walking distance, a little less than 1/2 mile apart, crossing the river.   
Mitten is a mile and a half from downtown,  has phenomenal pizza and good homemade beer.    If you are really feeling adventurous, try the Westerdog pizza.   
Harmony has two locations, in opposite directions from downtown.    I recommend the Eastown location.   
 Perrin is about 6 miles from downtown, but has a good menu and my personal favorite, Perrin Black Ale.   

If you are downtown and just want to eat stupid, I recommend Stella's   https://www.stellasgr.com/

Or the original Hopcat.     http://www.hopcat.com/

If you are staying out by the airport, honestly, it feels like any other generic upscale suburb.

Love GR. Great recommendations above.

Really +1 to Harmony Brewing, and +1 for the Eastown recommendation. Outstanding pizza & good beer options.

The JW is probably nicest to stay; the Homewood Suites is better than what the brand usually offers, although $30+ overnight for parking is BS in GR.

Others:

- Brewery Vivant - great Belgian beer; go for lunch or dinner as the food is outstanding.
- The Chop House is your local flagship steakhouse; was impressed late last year.
- Madcap Coffee makes a mean cortado & was one of the first 3rd wave coffeeshops in the country. Rowster on Wealthy also gets the job done.
- Craft Beer Cellar to bring home bottles/cans from 40+ local breweries - all from one place.

In Holland - about a half-hour away - huge fan of almost everything on tap at Big Lake Brewing.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 17, 2019, 02:31:51 PM
30 years in GR for me.    Agreed on everything.    Except I don't drink coffee.   
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2019, 10:47:05 AM
Galway Eagle, where did you end up going?  Or did you just stay in?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 21, 2019, 10:58:56 AM
Galway Eagle, where did you end up going?  Or did you just stay in?

Thought I PM'd you letting you know and thanking you for all the recommendations.

Ended up doing Perrin, Founders, and Atwater when we arrived. The B.O.B that night. New Holand and Mitten the next day for lunch.

Also checked out the Meijer Japanese Garden and a cool coffee truck called outdoor coffee. We were staying on 28th and Buchanon which I would not do again though.

It's a much bigger city than I expected and I would 100% go back. Only bust was Atwater, didn't care for the beer and it was abandoned save a little league baseball team having dinner in the back room. Every other spot was fantastic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
Yeah, don't do 28th and Buchanan.  Glad you had fun.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: shoothoops on July 25, 2019, 06:38:51 PM
One interesting aspect is what airline you fly into a specific airport. Sky Harbor is a great example, as Terminal 2 (United) is terrible, but if you go to the Southwest Terminal, it’s great, totally different experience.

I also knock down PHX for the 10 minute drive to the car rental facility.

This. In some of the older posts on here people mentioned Lambert. Were/Are those people flying in and out of the Southwest terminal? That’s the only way to do it there. Locals all fly Southwest, which has its own terminal there whenever possible. It’s been that way there for many years. It’s way better. American was the big airline there prior to that, as it had a big hub there. And of course TWA was there. Different terminals matter sometimes in different airports.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 25, 2019, 09:06:32 PM
I’d add a. Day to Barcelona and take one away from Sevilla.
There are some great beer bars in Barcelona. Will get you a list if interested.

Take tuk-tuk tour in Lisbon. Great way to see the city. Do it on the first day. Eat in the a Time Out market. Eat peri peri chicken.  Go to Belen. And Sinatra. Make a day of it.

Where you staying (specific area or property)?  Porto is the bomb too.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on July 25, 2019, 10:05:49 PM
Where you staying (specific area or property)?  Porto is the bomb too.

Gothic Quarter in Barcelona. Calle Lanza near Casa de Pilatos in Sevilla.

Airbnb near Masa Hotel Almirante in Lisbon. On R. De Tomas Gonzaga near Cometa restaurant in Porto
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on July 26, 2019, 07:41:53 AM
This. In some of the older posts on here people mentioned Lambert. Were/Are those people flying in and out of the Southwest terminal? That’s the only way to do it there. Locals all fly Southwest, which has its own terminal there whenever possible. It’s been that way there for many years. It’s way better. American was the big airline there prior to that, as it had a big hub there. And of course TWA was there. Different terminals matter sometimes in different airports.

American and TWA were one in the same. American acquired TWA just about the time TWA was on its last legs. Much of what TWA had in St. Louis came from TWA's acquisition of Ozark.

St. Louisians fly Southwest because its about the only way you can get anywhere from St. Louis non-stop without passing through a hub somewhere else. Southwest also offers the opportunity to fly on real jets (no matter how cramped) rather than third-rate flying partners on crapjets.

The TWA acquisition and addition of the St. Louis hub was one of the dumber things American ever did. While they may have picked up some slots into London, they acquired a hub in St. Louis that was duplicative of Chicago and Dallas (and about an hour's flying time from either). And, with the years-later acquisition of US Air (aka US Scare), the hub American acquired from TWA at JFK was redundant with US Scare's principal hub at Philadelphia.

Not quite as bad as Pan Am's acquisition of National but up there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: shoothoops on July 26, 2019, 11:06:12 AM
American and TWA were one in the same. American acquired TWA just about the time TWA was on its last legs. Much of what TWA had in St. Louis came from TWA's acquisition of Ozark.

St. Louisians fly Southwest because its about the only way you can get anywhere from St. Louis non-stop without passing through a hub somewhere else. Southwest also offers the opportunity to fly on real jets (no matter how cramped) rather than third-rate flying partners on crapjets.

The TWA acquisition and addition of the St. Louis hub was one of the dumber things American ever did. While they may have picked up some slots into London, they acquired a hub in St. Louis that was duplicative of Chicago and Dallas (and about an hour's flying time from either). And, with the years-later acquisition of US Air (aka US Scare), the hub American acquired from TWA at JFK was redundant with US Scare's principal hub at Philadelphia.

Not quite as bad as Pan Am's acquisition of National but up there.


St. Louis was the largest hub for TWA. Ozark bought it's airplanes from McDonnell and Douglas which later merged and headquartered there. Later bought by Boeing. Just 20 years ago Lambert had the 8th most flights per day. Airline deregulation hurt St. Louis as did antitrust anti-monopoly legislation in the 70's and 80's. It went from mid 20's fortune 500 companies to half of that amount. This also hurt other mid sized cities/metros.

Yep. Fun fact. TWA was the original football dome sponsor there. The seats were even red and never changed color.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on July 26, 2019, 12:01:47 PM
It just shows me how time flies.  I remember flying TWA when our kids were young and changing planes in SLU on the way to Tampa.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2019, 12:05:34 PM
JFK Airport just opened the TWA Hotel in the old Eero Saarinen designed TWA Terminal.  It is TWA themed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on July 26, 2019, 12:06:44 PM
JFK Airport just opened the TWA Hotel in the old Eero Saarinen designed TWA Terminal.  It is TWA themed.

I saw that featured on some TV show.  Seems like a nostalgic waste of money to me.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 26, 2019, 12:12:41 PM
I saw that featured on some TV show.  Seems like a nostalgic waste of money to me.

Been quite open that they're looking to attract plane nerds with cash to burn.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on July 26, 2019, 12:17:52 PM
Been quite open that they're looking to attract plane nerds with cash to burn.

All 100 of 'em, huh?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on July 26, 2019, 02:05:56 PM
It just shows me how time flies.  I remember flying TWA when our kids were young and changing planes in SLU on the way to Tampa.

I flew Ozark from Nashville to St. Louis and then to Milwaukee back from Christmas and Spring Break in the 1970s. When my Dad did not all but toss me onto the Amtrak that ran through town at the time.

Or, as it was known at the time, "Nozark"
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on July 27, 2019, 01:30:50 AM
JFK Airport just opened the TWA Hotel in the old Eero Saarinen designed TWA Terminal.  It is TWA themed.

What a great memory for me. On a return from Spain in the late 70s I sat in that terminal for many hours enjoying the parade of landings out the window of that  incredible view ...what a great design!!!

I have kind of stupid/silly memory of TWA.  It had posters up all over Madrid promoting TWA flights to the USA. The photo was of a very pretty Stewardess...with the caption !Venga, Vuele Conmigo! ....this was the ad agency loosely translating TWAs "Come fly with me" ad slogan.

The girl in the photo, however,... also had a prominent name tag that said JODI .....Spaniards loved and laughed at the inadvertent double meaning which jumped out at them....ya seeee

Joder is the castillian spanish verb for "to f#ck" ....Jodi is the personal past tense ..... yo Jodi means ...I F#cked!!!......SO....

...This TWA poster and her name tag accidentally said to Madrid locals....Come fly with me and ( BTW, by this tag...JODI) I f#ck!!!!!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 27, 2019, 07:28:37 AM
Ah, da origin of da mile hi club. Eye sea, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 29, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
I saw that featured on some TV show.  Seems like a nostalgic waste of money to me.

Reviews for it have actually been very good.  Bit pricey for an airport hotel, but the dining is supposedly fantastic and it was a pool/pool bar overlooking the airport and its runways.  There is some nostalgia and the cocktail bar in the old TWA plane is a bit corny, but its not a dumpy Disney style tourist trap.  What else should they have done with an iconic historical building?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 30, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
Just got back from 2+ weeks in the Pacific Northwest -- 5 nights in Bend, 2 nights in Redwoods Natl Park area, 5 nights along Oregon coast, 4 nights in Seattle.

Had a great time at every stop, saw and did a lot of interesting, fun things. Stayed at airbnbs our first four stays. Our first time ever doing the airbnb thing -- each very different, each with positives (mostly) and negatives.

Loved Bend; could definitely live there. Enjoyed it all, though. Time with family, friends, Mrs. 82, some incredible scenery, lots of outdoorsy stuff, more than a little beer.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 30, 2019, 10:39:51 PM
Just got back from 2+ weeks in the Pacific Northwest -- 5 nights in Bend, 2 nights in Redwoods Natl Park area, 5 nights along Oregon coast, 4 nights in Seattle.

Had a great time at every stop, saw and did a lot of interesting, fun things. Stayed at airbnbs our first four stays. Our first time ever doing the airbnb thing -- each very different, each with positives (mostly) and negatives.

Loved Bend; could definitely live there. Enjoyed it all, though. Time with family, friends, Mrs. 82, some incredible scenery, lots of outdoorsy stuff, more than a little beer.

Any conifer ale summits with Crash to report on?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 31, 2019, 09:35:19 AM
Any conifer ale summits with Crash to report on?

Not this time. We have met in the past and solved most of the world's problems.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on July 31, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
Not this time. We have met in the past and solved most of the world's problems.

Apparently we are still waiting on implementation.   ::)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 31, 2019, 09:43:40 AM
Apparently we are still waiting on implementation.   ::)

I know ... It's hard to believe the House and Senate didn't agree that Hazy Mosaic IPAs For All would be a game-changer.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 01, 2019, 12:42:49 AM
Love Seattle, haven’t been here in about 5 years. Sea-Tac great airport...except for the continued brutally bad rental car transportation. I’m here at 11pm and rental car bus line is 150 people deep. Bad, bad, bad.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 01, 2019, 01:19:22 AM
Love Seattle, haven’t been here in about 5 years. Sea-Tac great airport...except for the continued brutally bad rental car transportation. I’m here at 11pm and rental car bus line is 150 people deep. Bad, bad, bad.

Not a fan. What do you love? I have friends who travel there on business and love it. I have friends who live there a long and love it in doses but need to get out of there every other weekend.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 01, 2019, 06:59:19 AM
Not a fan. What do you love? I have friends who travel there on business and love it. I have friends who live there a long and love it in doses but need to get out of there every other weekend.

Glow Jr. is living there now. He loves it, especially because he is a skier and hiker, but doesn't love the cost of living there. He doesn't have one of those super highly paid tech jobs. I am not sure he intends to be there long term.

Fortunately, he has the type of job where it is relatively easy to transfer to another office in just about any region in the country.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 01, 2019, 08:00:18 AM
He should ring up keefe. Certain heel bee happy ta show him'round, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 01, 2019, 08:18:27 AM
He should ring up keefe. Certain heel bee happy ta show him'round, hey?

Glow jr. reads Scoop.  He knows how to get ahold of Keefe if he is so inclined.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 01, 2019, 09:48:50 AM
Glow Jr. is living there now. He loves it, especially because he is a skier and hiker, but doesn't love the cost of living there. He doesn't have one of those super highly paid tech jobs. I am not sure he intends to be there long term.

Fortunately, he has the type of job where it is relatively easy to transfer to another office in just about any region in the country.

My daughter and her husband live there. They love Seattle and it's hard to imagine them leaving. They both have pretty good jobs, though. You certainly are right about it being expensive.

My son lives in Chicago, so both kids live in high-priced places.

Kids ... whattayagonna do?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 01, 2019, 10:25:08 AM
Glow jr. reads Scoop.  He knows how to get ahold of Keefe if he is so inclined.

So safe bet Keefe's inbox ain't filling up anytime soon?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 01, 2019, 10:30:51 AM
Not a fan. What do you love? I have friends who travel there on business and love it. I have friends who live there a long and love it in doses but need to get out of there every other weekend.

I almost moved there to work for Amazon about 5 years ago and in my current job, get there about twice a year.  As a Midwest lifer across 3-4 states in the region, I LOVE the geographic diversity. You have the ocean/bay but also mountains right behind you.  For all the talk of gloomy weather, I'm just fine with the milder winter, and Ive been there multiple times during summer months where it is perfect.

There is also just kind of a different vibe to it.  Lots has changed with the tech invasion and expansion, but my Dad has been traveling there since the late 80s and said there is still a uniqueness to Seattle that hasn't changed.

Cons: Its become and continues to be wildly expensive. And the Northwest Freeze.  Even my friend who lives there that showed me around during my interview visit warned me I'd likely be mostly hanging with "ex pats" cause PNW lifers weren't super keen on outsiders.  They are nice, but it wouldn't move much past surface level.

And Keefe is a fantastic source for recos.  For all the varied opinions of him here, he's generous and very helpful when it comes to Seattle.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on August 03, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
I can understand the NW freeze JWags.  Outsiders have overwhelmed the city and that has assuredly changed the culture somewhat.  And we're not even talking about what it has done to the affordability factor.

It's funny.  For decades I lamented that Milwaukee was unbelievably insular because ZERO new blood ever arrived.  That's changed in the last decade or so and I personally believe it has dramatically enhanced the city.  A little new blood is great for a city.  Too much, maybe not so much.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
Just spent a week in Cooperstown at the Cooperstown dream park.    I was one of the coaches for my son's team and as such got to spend a week in an un-airconditioned barrack with a dozen smelly 12 year olds.    However, if you ever have an opportunity to go watch one of their tournaments, do so.    13 weeks, a different set of 104 teams every week.     All U-12 teams.     Fascinating to see the difference in sizes among 12 and young 13 year olds.    Shortest around 4'4, the tallest 6'4.    If you have children or grandchildren who play travel baseball and they get the chance to go, spend the money for them to do it and then go with them.    You will not regret it. 

edit:    Clearly, my typing skills have atrophied.     An embarrassing amount of typos. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 03, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
Just spent a week in Cooperstown at the Cooperstown dream park.    I was one of the coaches for my son's team and as such got to spend a week in an un-airconditioned barrack with a dozen smelly 12 year olds.    However, if you ever have an opportunity to go watch one of their tournaments, do so.    13 weeks, a different set of 104 teams every weeks.     All U-12 teams.     Fascinating to see the difference in sizes among 12 and yound 12 year olds.    Shortest around 4'4, the tallest 6'4.    If you have children or grandchildren who play travel baseball and they get the chance to go, spend the money for them to do it and then go with them.    You will not regret it.

I umpired there for a week in mid-June. First time for me. I shared a barracks with smelly old guys ... but at least it was an unseasonably cool week temp-wise. We had one day that was just about lost to rain, but otherwise weather was nice. The top 20 teams or so were very, very good but there also was some bad baseball -- teams that were just there for the experience, which I certainly can see why.

It was fun to make friends with umps from all over the country, and the kids were almost all great. A few coaches and parents were jags, but that happens anywhere at any level. I probably would do it again if they ask.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
I talked to an ump who will spend all 13 weeks there and is currently working on a streak of 100 straight weeks.    Talk about not having a life.   I saw mostly good baseball.   However, the big kids who can launch are in a category by themselves.   300' homers on 200' fences.     I never met a jerk on the sidewalks between games.     Yes, during games, some of the participants, coaches, fans get intense.    But in the down time, I came in contact with only one person who really ticked me off, and that was a mom with a two pack a day voice berating the service staff for the amount of chips in her nachos and the lack of lids for her soft drink.     The coaches had great talks about the 12 year old thought process and hygiene practices and lack thereof.  It is apparently universal.


And good for you for working one.    I am glad you enjoyed it.  (For the most part)

I had a team that was there mostly for the experience.    1-6, but only one blowout.    An extra inning loss, 2 one run losses, 2 two run losses, and a 9-2 loss in the elimination round that was 3-2 in the 4th.   One sloppy inning later and pfffft.   Our hitters didn't hit enough for the week.   But it was a hoot. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 03, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
Glow jr. reads Scoop.

I thought you would have raised him better than that!  ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 03, 2019, 02:09:22 PM
I thought you would have raised him better than that!  ;D

Yeah, he is an adult now.  We have to let him make his own decisions.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 03, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
I talked to an ump who will spend all 13 weeks there and is currently working on a streak of 100 straight weeks.    Talk about not having a life.   I saw mostly good baseball.   However, the big kids who can launch are in a category by themselves.   300' homers on 200' fences.     I never met a jerk on the sidewalks between games.     Yes, during games, some of the participants, coaches, fans get intense.    But in the down time, I came in contact with only one person who really ticked me off, and that was a mom with a two pack a day voice berating the service staff for the amount of chips in her nachos and the lack of lids for her soft drink.     The coaches had great talks about the 12 year old thought process and hygiene practices and lack thereof.  It is apparently universal.


And good for you for working one.    I am glad you enjoyed it.  (For the most part)

I had a team that was there mostly for the experience.    1-6, but only one blowout.    An extra inning loss, 2 one run losses, 2 two run losses, and a 9-2 loss in the elimination round that was 3-2 in the 4th.   One sloppy inning later and pfffft.   Our hitters didn't hit enough for the week.   But it was a hoot.

I ran across a few of those "permanent umpires." They've got quite a gig. I might go back, but never for more than 1 week in a summer. That's more than enough. Glad you, your son and the rest of the kids had such a great time.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 05, 2019, 12:03:50 PM
I've been on the road way too much this last month, and one thing I've noticed now more than in the past is how many airports have major construction projects going on. My home base of ORD has the never ending runway project and the upcoming Terminal 2 re-design. LGA is going through it's major rehaul, I was at Sky Harbor last week and saw the rental car tram finally under construction. In Nashville now and they're under major construction as well.

It'll be interesting to see these changes come mid 2020's, US airports lag far behind their Asian/European counterparts.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 05, 2019, 01:56:57 PM
I've been on the road way too much this last month, and one thing I've noticed now more than in the past is how many airports have major construction projects going on. My home base of ORD has the never ending runway project and the upcoming Terminal 2 re-design. LGA is going through it's major rehaul, I was at Sky Harbor last week and saw the rental car tram finally under construction. In Nashville now and they're under major construction as well.

It'll be interesting to see these changes come mid 2020's, US airports lag far behind their Asian/European counterparts.

SFO is in the midst of a redesign. Just partially opened a new Terminal 1 for ValuJet and SWA.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 05, 2019, 04:35:48 PM
It'll be interesting to see these changes come mid 2020's, US airports lag far behind their Asian/European counterparts.

I think it all depends. I don’t think Euro airports necessarily outpace most of the US ones unless you compare those that are recently remodeled against US ones that have not been. Frankfort and Munich are two of the best and I don’t find them to be all that special other than being modern and efficient. Zurich is nice but I just flew Geneva and it’s...fine. There is a heavier focus on duty free in Europe because of VAT, but other than funneling people through a flashy duty free area and some variety in lounges (due to more “international” carriers) I don’t view it as significantly different than somewhere like LGA’s remodeled terminals or what I assume new ORD will look like.

Asia is a different story. From the airlines to the airports and their lounges, its all elevated service and customer experience. And the airports themselves serve as tourist attractions in and of themselves. I’m flying through Changi Airport in Singapore next week and it’s a spectacle. Designed and focused in a way that just wouldn’t happen in the US or Europe. Between US cost cutting and Europe fundamental changes to air travel on the national carriers to match the ultra low cost carriers, it’s just a different mindset to air travel. Just my thoughts as someone who sees a fair amount of airports
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 05, 2019, 10:21:03 PM
SFO is in the midst of a redesign. Just partially opened a new Terminal 1 for ValuJet and SWA.

MSY will open a whole new airport. KC in building a new one.
Getting out of LGA is a nightmare at least C and D terminals.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on August 06, 2019, 10:19:26 AM
I've been on the road way too much this last month, and one thing I've noticed now more than in the past is how many airports have major construction projects going on. My home base of ORD has the never ending runway project and the upcoming Terminal 2 re-design. LGA is going through it's major rehaul, I was at Sky Harbor last week and saw the rental car tram finally under construction. In Nashville now and they're under major construction as well.

It'll be interesting to see these changes come mid 2020's, US airports lag far behind their Asian/European counterparts.

Was just flying in and out of LGA a few weeks ago and got see the completed 1st phase for Terminal B (United). Good Lord it's miracle. It wasn't a terrible experience like the past - in fact, it was fairly enjoyable. The new way they do RideShare works well - similar to the Seattle method of going to a specifically marked zone (and they have multiple) in the parking garage. As for flying out, they still haven't finished the reno for security so that still is crap for PreCheck. Once thu security the terminal is open, airy, lots of plugs, way better layout and finally has decent options for food. No Auntie Anne's pretzel dogs for dinner when your flight is delayed. Have a Shake Shack in the terminal it's great. Bathrooms are actually able to handle people and luggage too.

I don't think you can just say Asian airports are great - it really depends on the country. I'll be flying into Beijing in a few weeks and the airports is really great looking, has well organized immigration but the Air China lounge is garbage! A lot of Chinese airports are lipstick on pigs - very superficial. Bangkok is so so. Incheon is nice but Gimpo is meh - though most of the "city" airports are older and therefore more dated.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on August 06, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Closer to home.  Does this really get legs?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2019/08/06/midwest-express-airline-takes-next-step-toward-flying-again/1931377001/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on August 07, 2019, 07:43:51 AM
Closer to home.  Does this really get legs?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2019/08/06/midwest-express-airline-takes-next-step-toward-flying-again/1931377001/

Big question is if the naming rights of the convention center come full circle. And the cookies.

Sounds like it will be limited and a long ways out. I grew up flying Midwest, so from a nostalgia perspective it would be cool.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 22, 2019, 05:11:04 PM
I'm getting old, I forgot how miserable the car rental shuttle experience is at LAX, especially if you fly United and you're last to get on, and last to get off going back to the airport.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 22, 2019, 05:44:17 PM
Was just flying in and out of LGA a few weeks ago and got see the completed 1st phase for Terminal B (United). Good Lord it's miracle. It wasn't a terrible experience like the past - in fact, it was fairly enjoyable. The new way they do RideShare works well - similar to the Seattle method of going to a specifically marked zone (and they have multiple) in the parking garage. As for flying out, they still haven't finished the reno for security so that still is crap for PreCheck. Once thu security the terminal is open, airy, lots of plugs, way better layout and finally has decent options for food. No Auntie Anne's pretzel dogs for dinner when your flight is delayed. Have a Shake Shack in the terminal it's great. Bathrooms are actually able to handle people and luggage too.

Security is a work in progress, but going to the numbered gates instead of the C gates for United flights is like heaven.  C gates felt like you were in a set for a TV period piece, now its modern, clean and airy.  I don't spend a ton of time, I'm a 45 min before my flight kind of guy with PreCheck, but its appreciated if I catch a delay.  Agree about the Rideshare too.  Its smooth, its efficient.  Usually in and out in about 5 min if I order when I'm walking over.  Slowly cleansing the nightmares of the rideshare shuttle I put up with for a year plus.

I'm getting old, I forgot how miserable the car rental shuttle experience is at LAX, especially if you fly United and you're last to get on, and last to get off going back to the airport.

LAX at best is fine, at worst it can be the 7th level of hell.  Between that, between times where the Uber/Lyft pickup is a disaster.  I almost missed a flight last year when I was ON LAX PROPERTY, 90 min before my flight.  Came in on the North side, per usual, but he missed the turn in front of the old restaurant to cross over to the United terminal.  Then to go to the next cross over and merge and the merge again took the better part of 45 min.  I thought I was in a SAW film.  It was insanity.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 22, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
Closer to home.  Does this really get legs?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2019/08/06/midwest-express-airline-takes-next-step-toward-flying-again/1931377001/

No.

Next question.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on August 24, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
We went to LGA recently from ORD on Delta.  Delayed over 2 hours before we took off. On the flight home, we were delayed 4 hours before we got on the plane (they claimed it was because a flight attendant didn’t show), then after we boarded, we sat on the tarmac for 3.5 hours. Like the recent stories, little to no communication about what was going on and when we’d leave, finally got a tiny bottle of water and peanuts about 2.5 hours after being on the tarmac and at one point, the pilot came on to say we were about to pull away when the ground crew just left for some unknown reason. 

It doesn’t surprise me to read about the recent delays involving Delta. By far, they have to be the worst airline around.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on August 26, 2019, 02:03:06 PM
We went to LGA recently from ORD on Delta.  Delayed over 2 hours before we took off. On the flight home, we were delayed 4 hours before we got on the plane (they claimed it was because a flight attendant didn’t show), then after we boarded, we sat on the tarmac for 3.5 hours. Like the recent stories, little to no communication about what was going on and when we’d leave, finally got a tiny bottle of water and peanuts about 2.5 hours after being on the tarmac and at one point, the pilot came on to say we were about to pull away when the ground crew just left for some unknown reason. 

It doesn’t surprise me to read about the recent delays involving Delta. By far, they have to be the worst airline around.

I'm curious as to what the delay/cancellation numbers look like at hub vs non-hub airports.  I suppose LGA is technically a DL hub, but what's their ability to cover equipment and personnel delays compared to ATL, MSP, DTW, etc.?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 27, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Sorry gang, I still think LGA is a hellhole to be avoided at all costs.

New York has a funny way of making good ideas bad. They can make a nice airport but an adequacy of seating on the new United/American concourse is still lacking. And, they'll never fix the air side or air space problem at LGA unless the Port Authority is able to demolish nearby homes and build another runway.

I tend to use EWR, taking a train from Midtown Manhattan. EWR is a dump in its own right but it is better run and better organized than LGA. By a long-shot.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 27, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
Sorry gang, I still think LGA is a hellhole to be avoided at all costs.

New York has a funny way of making good ideas bad. They can make a nice airport but an adequacy of seating on the new United/American concourse is still lacking. And, they'll never fix the air side or air space problem at LGA unless the Port Authority is able to demolish nearby homes and build another runway.

I tend to use EWR, taking a train from Midtown Manhattan. EWR is a dump in its own right but it is better run and better organized than LGA. By a long-shot.

I don't disagree that LGA is a mess.  I still think all construction and renovation needs to be completed before a full assessment is made.  They improved the B gates tremendously.  The rideshare set up for Terminal B is excellent.  It went from a dated logistical mess overall to a mid tier airport in terms of overall experience.  The delay issues are always going to be a problem, that wont change, I agree there.

I object to EWR being a dump.  Depends what you fly I guess.  Terminal C is excellent.  Its bright, its airy, its open.  Makes LGA seem claustrophobic.  They are sorting out the security a bit still, but I have no issues.  Very simple and easy to get a car or taxi after.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 27, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
I don't disagree that LGA is a mess.  I still think all construction and renovation needs to be completed before a full assessment is made.  They improved the B gates tremendously.  The rideshare set up for Terminal B is excellent.  It went from a dated logistical mess overall to a mid tier airport in terms of overall experience.  The delay issues are always going to be a problem, that wont change, I agree there.

I object to EWR being a dump.  Depends what you fly I guess.  Terminal C is excellent.  Its bright, its airy, its open.  Makes LGA seem claustrophobic.  They are sorting out the security a bit still, but I have no issues.  Very simple and easy to get a car or taxi after.

Flying DL in and out of LGA is a nightmare. Waited 2 hours for an Uber, would have been longer to get a shuttle to get a taxi.
But even after the renovation is completed, it will still be a challenge to get in/out of there. Why they didn't include something other than a bus route in a multi billion dollar renovation is beyond me.
People call NY a world class city, but it really isn't. They haven't figured out a way to collect garbage other than dumping it on the sidewalks, leaving a feast for rats and roaches. Airports are dismal at best. Traffic is horrific.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 27, 2019, 01:44:57 PM
I don't disagree that LGA is a mess.  I still think all construction and renovation needs to be completed before a full assessment is made.  They improved the B gates tremendously.  The rideshare set up for Terminal B is excellent.  It went from a dated logistical mess overall to a mid tier airport in terms of overall experience.  The delay issues are always going to be a problem, that wont change, I agree there.

I object to EWR being a dump.  Depends what you fly I guess.  Terminal C is excellent.  Its bright, its airy, its open.  Makes LGA seem claustrophobic.  They are sorting out the security a bit still, but I have no issues.  Very simple and easy to get a car or taxi after.

This.  I fly out of LGA regularly and it's getting there.  I always got to Terminals C & D (Delta).
The AirTrain is coming too.  Looks likely construction is set to begin in 2020.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 27, 2019, 03:45:54 PM
I object to EWR being a dump.  Depends what you fly I guess.  Terminal C is excellent. 

Terminal C? United?

Are we talking Newark, NJ or Newark, DE?

The United Club is C is a joke. Horribly bad. Overcrowded. Impossible do any work. The Polaris Lounge is a poor excuse for a United Club, much less the premium amenity United promises. My wife went in the Polaris lounge on her way to Greece and almost screamed. It was crowded, dirty and had used dishes laying around everywhere. Any chance for a proper dinner went out the window.

The terminal itself is a food mall with airport crammed around the edges. I'll agree that around C130, its nice. Dump is generally descriptive for the rest of it. And, the old United "A" concourse, where all the Distress flights depart, is downright nasty.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 27, 2019, 04:36:39 PM
Terminal C? United?

Are we talking Newark, NJ or Newark, DE?

The United Club is C is a joke. Horribly bad. Overcrowded. Impossible do any work. The Polaris Lounge is a poor excuse for a United Club, much less the premium amenity United promises. My wife went in the Polaris lounge on her way to Greece and almost screamed. It was crowded, dirty and had used dishes laying around everywhere. Any chance for a proper dinner went out the window.

The terminal itself is a food mall with airport crammed around the edges. I'll agree that around C130, its nice. Dump is generally descriptive for the rest of it. And, the old United "A" concourse, where all the Distress flights depart, is downright nasty.

The Polaris Lounge is a poor excuse for a United Club?  GTFO.  Maybe your wife had a bad experience, but its a large step up from the normal United Clubs.  Your first mistake is expecting a "proper dinner" in an airline lounge.  Try to swing a meal at Classified if you want that at EWR.  Sorry the US doesn't do bourgeois "First Class" lounges with 15 people in them. 

Of course the airport is focused around dining and retail, what else should it be?  A nice cinema and a spa down the middle of the concourse?  The bar/dining in the middle with touch screen ordering is efficient and clean and keeps things open and moving, reduces clutter.  The A terminal is dated and in need of a facelift but calling it "downright nasty" makes you sound like you fly twice a year.  I just flew through Nashville, if you want to talk about a major city's airport that is a dump.

Really curious what airports really blow your hair back.  And preferably not small regional ones. 

People call NY a world class city, but it really isn't. They haven't figured out a way to collect garbage other than dumping it on the sidewalks, leaving a feast for rats and roaches. Airports are dismal at best. Traffic is horrific.

LOL.  Name a world class city then?  Bad traffic disqualifies?  See ya to every large city in the US and Asia.  The airports are a mess, agreed but again, so are plenty.

The garbage is a problem but thats because they didn't plan for the population and growth 250 years ago.  They aren't alone in that.  Chicago is really the only historically old city in the country planned with them.  But again, name me world class cities that don't have issues with tons of population and the trash they produce.  Sound awfully sheltered or like you have a bad experience in Times Square and have it out for the Big Apple
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 27, 2019, 04:48:04 PM
The Polaris Lounge is a poor excuse for a United Club?  GTFO.  Maybe your wife had a bad experience, but its a large step up from the normal United Clubs.  Your first mistake is expecting a "proper dinner" in an airline lounge.  Try to swing a meal at Classified if you want that at EWR.  Sorry the US doesn't do bourgeois "First Class" lounges with 15 people in them. 

Of course the airport is focused around dining and retail, what else should it be?  A nice cinema and a spa down the middle of the concourse? 

1) In Chicago, we did have a "proper meal" when my son and I went to Paris. It was incredibly pleasant, calming and frankly, what I expected from United. Newark was a dump, pure and simple. United just changed the United Club's name on the door, as best we can tell.

2) Actually, until recently most US carriers did a first class lounge. At Heathrow, United had one of the best airline experiences in its first class lounge I've ever had. It was quiet. Service was attentive and unbelievable. Likewise, the first class lounge at O'Hare and Houston was really great when it existed. The only time it went bad was when United was building Polaris in Chicago and they opened a bus station for a first class lounge. Quite simply, bean counting met luxury head on and customer service lost.

3) How about an airport. How about having enough seats for people to sit. How about having a concourse where we don't have to dodge diners to get to a gate. Is that too much to ask? Probably!

The airports I like, in no particular order, are Seattle, Orlando McCoy, Houtson InterCo and even O'Hare.

Places I hate are Washington Dulles, Newark, LaGuardia, LAX and Atlanta. DTW is good is you are not flying Delta. Awful if you are! Ditto for MSP.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 27, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
1) In Chicago, we did have a "proper meal" when my son and I went to Paris. It was incredibly pleasant, calming and frankly, what I expected from United. Newark was a dump, pure and simple. United just changed the United Club's name on the door, as best we can tell.

2) Actually, until recently most US carriers did a first class lounge. At Heathrow, United had one of the best airline experiences in its first class lounge I've ever had. It was quiet. Service was attentive and unbelievable. Likewise, the first class lounge at O'Hare and Houston was really great when it existed. The only time it went bad was when United was building Polaris in Chicago and they opened a bus station for a first class lounge. Quite simply, bean counting met luxury head on and customer service lost.

3) How about an airport. How about having enough seats for people to sit. How about having a concourse where we don't have to dodge diners to get to a gate. Is that too much to ask? Probably!

The airports I like, in no particular order, are Seattle, Orlando McCoy, Houtson InterCo and even O'Hare.

Places I hate are Washington Dulles, Newark, LaGuardia, LAX and Atlanta. DTW is good is you are not flying Delta. Awful if you are! Ditto for MSP.

Fair enough.  I was more speaking to the fact that with US carriers (save American...for now) merging International First and Business, those lounges don't really exist.  So comparing that as the standard is unrealistic.  Same as comparing to Midwest Express or how PanAm/TWA was years and years ago.  Your experiences are surprising.  Ive spent a decent amount of time in both the ORD and EWR Polaris lounges, and it really must be time dependent.  Ive seen both packed and both sparsely populated  I didn't see much of a difference and frankly like EWR's runway views better.  If you've been in a standard UC bathroom versus the individual cubicles at the Polaris lounge, also no comparison.

Your complaints about the dining areas near gates, I won't even deal with further.  There are ample walkways on both sides, you're don't walking through a mall food court  :o

Funny you say ORD.  I have no issue, its my home base airport, and its perfectly fine, but you get people who act like its the 7th level of hell cause they got delayed on the way to Vegas one time.  I personally hate MCO, the whole place feels tacky.  I do love that there is usually approx 2 people in the Pre-Check line cause everyone else flies once every 2 years.  Heathrow is a lightning rod as well for people, but I absolutely enjoy flying in and out.  Spacious, airy, efficient, love the Heathrow Express, and the best "standard" United Club ive been to.

IAD and LAX are the pits.  CVG, KCI, BNA, and MSY round out my domestic hated list.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 27, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Everytime I fly in and out of BNA, I want to steal one of the retro posters up on the wall during the long walk from the United gates to the rest of the terminal.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 27, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
I agree that MSY and KCI are terrible. I always thought the variation in mid market airports throughout the US varied wildly. MSY is just bleak, for such a vibrant city, it isn’t the most welcoming place. PDX, DSM, CLT, CMH all seem to do a good job of cleanliness, well laid out, feels like you’re “in” that city, ample space and food options spread out to not be clustered.

Of major cities, ORD actually does a decent job, I don’t understand people that hate on it. The people mover fiasco though...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 27, 2019, 07:48:50 PM
KCI is the absolute worst, with MSY (just flew out of there today) and MEM also pretty terrible. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 27, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
I agree that MSY and KCI are terrible. I always thought the variation in mid market airports throughout the US varied wildly. MSY is just bleak, for such a vibrant city, it isn’t the most welcoming place. PDX, DSM, CLT, CMH all seem to do a good job of cleanliness, well laid out, feels like you’re “in” that city, ample space and food options spread out to not be clustered.

Of major cities, ORD actually does a decent job, I don’t understand people that hate on it. The people mover fiasco though...

MSY is getting a new airport. If they ever fix the issues with the piping, it may even open. From what I have seen, it looks really nice. Getting to and from will be even more of a challenge though with the limited access from I-10. And for people like me that rent cars, it will be a pain, as they are leaving the car rental facility at the old terminal.

I like the refurbishment in place in Austin, plus the added perk of being able to take your drink and stroll around the airport. It did startle me the first time I saw someone board the plane with a beer in their hand.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 27, 2019, 07:52:25 PM
I agree that MSY and KCI are terrible. I always thought the variation in mid market airports throughout the US varied wildly. MSY is just bleak, for such a vibrant city, it isn’t the most welcoming place. PDX, DSM, CLT, CMH all seem to do a good job of cleanliness, well laid out, feels like you’re “in” that city, ample space and food options spread out to not be clustered.

Of major cities, ORD actually does a decent job, I don’t understand people that hate on it. The people mover fiasco though...

We were just in MSY last night.  They are opening up a completely new airport  in a couple of months.  Looks cool from the outside, and we saw on TV that the woman who was named "Chef of the Year" in NOLA is opening up a restaurant there.

ETA:  Jinx, Flyer!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 27, 2019, 07:56:47 PM
Everytime I fly in and out of BNA, I want to steal one of the retro posters up on the wall during the long walk from the United gates to the rest of the terminal.

Dish, the next time you are in town, check this place out (if you haven't already).

https://hatchshowprint.com/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 27, 2019, 08:03:59 PM

LOL.  Name a world class city then?  Bad traffic disqualifies?  See ya to every large city in the US and Asia.  The airports are a mess, agreed but again, so are plenty.

The garbage is a problem but thats because they didn't plan for the population and growth 250 years ago.  They aren't alone in that.  Chicago is really the only historically old city in the country planned with them.  But again, name me world class cities that don't have issues with tons of population and the trash they produce.  Sound awfully sheltered or like you have a bad experience in Times Square and have it out for the Big Apple

Yeah, sheltered. I ate at the Red Lobster in Time Square on my only visit.  ::) In the past 12 months, I've only been to NYC 10 times, which is actually a bit of a down year for me. And I stray well beyond Time Square, as I work and stay in Brooklyn and Queens, as well as Manhattan. I am by no means an expert in the Big Apple.
Let me clarify for you.  As far as the garbage, no other major city that I have been in piles their garbage on the sidewalks each and every night.  Now, I haven't been to Kabul or other garden spots you may be saying also have the same problem.
And for traffic, the infrastructure in NYC is god awful. All the expressways are strewn with potholes and generally in awful conditions, as are the surface streets. And they have no real plans to address any of their traffic issues, unlike many world class cities. It will only get worse.
The cabs are nasty. Use a taxi in Berlin, London, or Rome and they are far better. (Although the ones in Rome are much like Mr Toad's Wild Ride)
The whole city seems to be in constant constructions. You can't walk more than a few blocks without having to duck through scaffolding or detour around closed sidewalks.
Bars are closing by the hundreds, as rent prices have drove them out of business.

Look there are some amazing things about NYC, but there are major flaws to what people proclaim as the greatest city in the world.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on August 27, 2019, 08:07:29 PM
We were just in MSY last night.  They are opening up a completely new airport  in a couple of months.  Looks cool from the outside, and we saw on TV that the woman who was named "Chef of the Year" in NOLA is opening up a restaurant there.

ETA:  Jinx, Flyer!

And kudos to your choices of venues in the Big Easy. Some excellent places!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 27, 2019, 08:29:53 PM
We were just in MSY last night.  They are opening up a completely new airport  in a couple of months.  Looks cool from the outside, and we saw on TV that the woman who was named "Chef of the Year" in NOLA is opening up a restaurant there.

ETA:  Jinx, Flyer!
Was told much the same by one of the people I met with there who is a 5th generation New Orleansian. She was not quite as optimistic about the timing although she did mention you had to drive through a neighborhood to get there as well as the chef/restaurant. It does look nice from the outside.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 27, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
And kudos to your choices of venues in the Big Easy. Some excellent places!

The most fun place was a neighborhood joint in Central City that we stopped in on Sunday afternoon after touring the Garden District.  We were the only people in the place except for the bartender and a local guy, and we all watched a Marvel movie on the TV and cracked jokes about it. Local Guy was a stitch.  Typical comment:

"Mmm, that Black Widow is fine!  You KNOW The Hulk hit that!"

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 27, 2019, 09:52:43 PM
Yeah, sheltered. I ate at the Red Lobster in Time Square on my only visit.  ::) In the past 12 months, I've only been to NYC 10 times, which is actually a bit of a down year for me. And I stray well beyond Time Square, as I work and stay in Brooklyn and Queens, as well as Manhattan. I am by no means an expert in the Big Apple.
Let me clarify for you.  As far as the garbage, no other major city that I have been in piles their garbage on the sidewalks each and every night.  Now, I haven't been to Kabul or other garden spots you may be saying also have the same problem.
And for traffic, the infrastructure in NYC is god awful. All the expressways are strewn with potholes and generally in awful conditions, as are the surface streets. And they have no real plans to address any of their traffic issues, unlike many world class cities. It will only get worse.
The cabs are nasty. Use a taxi in Berlin, London, or Rome and they are far better. (Although the ones in Rome are much like Mr Toad's Wild Ride)
The whole city seems to be in constant constructions. You can't walk more than a few blocks without having to duck through scaffolding or detour around closed sidewalks.
Bars are closing by the hundreds, as rent prices have drove them out of business.

Look there are some amazing things about NYC, but there are major flaws to what people proclaim as the greatest city in the world.

I didn't say you were sheltered, I said your argument sounded sheltered  8-) like it was an exception. First off, Ive never called it the greatest city in the world, and those that do either have a romanticized version of it, or default by virtue of it being the premiere city in what they consider the best country in the world.  But not saying its the greatest city in the world, doesn't mean its not "world class" which is all I pushed back on.

Tokyo leaves garbage out on the streets for collection.  HK, Beijing, and Shanghai all have trash problems.  Rome may not have garbage bags sitting out, rather they have trash everywhere.  Easily the dirtiest city Ive ever been to.  I adore London more than anything, but there is a growing rubbish problems in the streets there as well.  Massive cities with high density have trash problems.  Many are looking at ways to solve it, but NYC isn't unique with those struggles.

Cabs, agree to disagree, London is the only place where cabs are clearly superior for me, and you pay for it.  There is a reason rideshare apps have taken over the world in all varieties.  And NY is hardly the only city under "constant construction".  Chicago has the most cranes going in the Western Hemisphere, Asia is constantly growing and changing, London is constantly revitalizing.  One of the amusing things about my world travels is noticing the different scaffolding types and layouts from country to country, continent to continent.

Again, NY has it warts, no denying it.  But deeming it some uniquely flawed place that isn't "world class" just smacks of bias.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 27, 2019, 10:09:26 PM

Funny you say ORD.  I have no issue, its my home base airport, and its perfectly fine, but you get people who act like its the 7th level of hell cause they got delayed on the way to Vegas one time.  I personally hate MCO, the whole place feels tacky.  I do love that there is usually approx 2 people in the Pre-Check line cause everyone else flies once every 2 years.  Heathrow is a lightning rod as well for people, but I absolutely enjoy flying in and out.  Spacious, airy, efficient, love the Heathrow Express, and the best "standard" United Club ive been to.

IAD and LAX are the pits.  CVG, KCI, BNA, and MSY round out my domestic hated list.

I like MCO. It is my home airport six months out of the year. Quick security clearance because i have pre-check. The people mover with the recording of OrlandoMayorBuddyDyer I could do without but it's efficient and the United club staff are wonderful. The club is a bit small but the folks more than make up for it. Car to security to gate is about nine minutes on average.

BNA? I don't get that one. I remember the old BNA and that WAS a dump. It has been gone for years. I get that BNA is like a six level chess set sometimes and that the walks are long, but it's a mid-sized airport and fine. Parking and rental cars are easy to get to (though a bit more silly since they moved the cars to the end of the garage). Close to downtown Nashville and the freeways aren't bad.

IAD needs to be blown up and tried again. At the very least, tear down the United Terminal and start over. What a hellhole.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 27, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
I didn't say you were sheltered, I said your argument sounded sheltered  8-) like it was an exception. First off, Ive never called it the greatest city in the world, and those that do either have a romanticized version of it, or default by virtue of it being the premiere city in what they consider the best country in the world.  But not saying its the greatest city in the world, doesn't mean its not "world class" which is all I pushed back on.

Tokyo leaves garbage out on the streets for collection.  HK, Beijing, and Shanghai all have trash problems.  Rome may not have garbage bags sitting out, rather they have trash everywhere.  Easily the dirtiest city Ive ever been to.  I adore London more than anything, but there is a growing rubbish problems in the streets there as well.  Massive cities with high density have trash problems.  Many are looking at ways to solve it, but NYC isn't unique with those struggles.

Cabs, agree to disagree, London is the only place where cabs are clearly superior for me, and you pay for it.  There is a reason rideshare apps have taken over the world in all varieties.  And NY is hardly the only city under "constant construction".  Chicago has the most cranes going in the Western Hemisphere, Asia is constantly growing and changing, London is constantly revitalizing.  One of the amusing things about my world travels is noticing the different scaffolding types and layouts from country to country, continent to continent.

Again, NY has it warts, no denying it.  But deeming it some uniquely flawed place that isn't "world class" just smacks of bias.

I second this post. Pbiflyer's complaints re NYC are applicable to every city regarding traffic and trash. Cabs are gross? Easy don't take one, a world class city offers great public transport and in most countries Uber and Lyft.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 28, 2019, 07:37:00 AM
I second this post. Pbiflyer's complaints re NYC are applicable to every city regarding traffic and trash. Cabs are gross? Easy don't take one, a world class city offers great public transport and in most countries Uber and Lyft.

Living in Connecticut, I'm in NYC all the time.  I've taken a cab maybe once?  I either drive in and subway & walk or Metro North Train and subway & walk. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on August 28, 2019, 10:34:58 AM
No.

Next question.

Do you prefer Grand Rapids, Omaha or Cincinnati?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2019/08/28/new-midwest-express-fly-between-mke-and-grand-rapids-omaha-and-cincinnati/2131665001/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 28, 2019, 10:02:26 PM
I dig the United gate signage at ORD that is now in Bears script with the old B in B concourse and the helmet C in C concourse. I also travel too much.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:05:58 PM
I dig the United gate signage at ORD that is now in Bears script with the old B in B concourse and the helmet C in C concourse. I also travel too much.

Had a Dodge Challenger rental yesterday and today in Denver....what a powerful production car.  Loved it.  Would never buy one, but loved it
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 28, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
Do you prefer Grand Rapids, Omaha or Cincinnati?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2019/08/28/new-midwest-express-fly-between-mke-and-grand-rapids-omaha-and-cincinnati/2131665001/

No.

And they're leasing service from Elite Airways. Let's see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on August 29, 2019, 07:21:50 AM
No.

And they're leasing service from Elite Airways. Let's see how long it lasts.

And there's plenty of discussions going on all excited about the return of real dinners and china and 2 across leather seating.  Fools.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on August 29, 2019, 11:09:19 AM
Flew business class to Europe from ORD on Lufthansa. Got to use the Polaris Club. Was blown away. Super nice.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 29, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Flew business class to Europe from ORD on Lufthansa. Got to use the Polaris Club. Was blown away. Super nice.

In Chicago, yes it is.

In Newark, forget it (please see conversation/debate with Brother JWags)

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on August 29, 2019, 02:36:56 PM
No.

And they're leasing service from Elite Airways. Let's see how long it lasts.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it works out. A direct OMA/MKE flight would be very nice.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 29, 2019, 09:53:49 PM
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it works out. A direct OMA/MKE flight would be very nice.

How many people do you think fly daily between Omaha and Milwaukee?

Without a connecting hub and spokes, this service is doomed.

Even with CRJ 200s, probably the most cramped jet in the sky, I don't see how this works.

Go back a few years. When Midwest Airlines started as Midwest Express, it came out of a need to fly Kimberly Clark executives and staff from Appleton to Atlanta. It later grew into a premium airline out of Milwaukee. The problem Midwest had was there was not enough O/D traffic from Milwaukee and not enough spokes flying into the city to make the hub there competitive against Fortress Chicago with United and American.

With Southwest in the Milwaukee market, I don't understand the opportunity for a contract airline to fly spoke service between Milwaukee, Grand Rapids (23 minutes flying time), Omaha and any other regional sub-market. The only thing that might make sense is Milwaukee to Dallas, Denver, Seattle, New York or Florida.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on August 30, 2019, 04:49:30 AM
Yeah, again, keeping my fingers crossed. I understand why it doesn’t exist now. I remember all the flights I used to take when it was Midwest and AirTran. I consistently had my group of three seats to myself, sometimes full rows, sometimes sections of the plane. I knew it wasn’t going to last. But damn, it was convenient.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 30, 2019, 08:31:42 AM
I'm really stumped how Midwest Express can grow .. let alone survive .. with Omaha, Grand Rapids, and Cincy as their routes.

Gotta have some money makers, like southbound tourism flights in the winter-spring months.

I know how hard it is to get a gate at an major airport.  I wonder if any have ever tried going to minor airports.  Like .. (random Florida search..) Sarasota, Florida.  It's a legit airport with a few gates and 17 regular flights.   It's within 2.5 hours drive of Tampa, Orlando, Ft. Myers, Naples and dozens of tourist islands.

Link MKE to Sarasota, and market it as a way to get to Florida's beaches.  Same story for something like Pensacola.   Zillions of Wisconsinites make that awful drive to Florida's panhandle.

I'm sure there's a reason this doesn't happen.. ?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 30, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
Yeah, again, keeping my fingers crossed. I understand why it doesn’t exist now. I remember all the flights I used to take when it was Midwest and AirTran. I consistently had my group of three seats to myself, sometimes full rows, sometimes sections of the plane. I knew it wasn’t going to last. But damn, it was convenient.

My father used to fly AirTran for his domestic business travel and United abroad.  AirTran basically gave you status if you flew 5 round trips in a 3 month period.  Which lead to alot of upgrades, status benefits, etc...  It was pretty great for a frequent traveler.  SWA has its benefits, but didn't compete with that, so when SWA acquired AirTran, he and many others were pretty ticked.  Started flying United for everything then.


I know how hard it is to get a gate at an major airport.  I wonder if any have ever tried going to minor airports.  Like .. (random Florida search..) Sarasota, Florida.  It's a legit airport with a few gates and 17 regular flights.   It's within 2.5 hours drive of Tampa, Orlando, Ft. Myers, Naples and dozens of tourist islands.

Link MKE to Sarasota, and market it as a way to get to Florida's beaches.  Same story for something like Pensacola.   Zillions of Wisconsinites make that awful drive to Florida's panhandle.

I'm sure there's a reason this doesn't happen.. ?

All about price.  Sarasota is a great smaller airport. During my time at PepsiCo, I worked on Tropicana.  The former HQ and still base of operations was the plant in Bradenton.  Sarasota was the preferred airport but only about 1 out of 3 trips would I fly into there because it was a substantially higher cost than heading to Tampa and renting a car.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on August 30, 2019, 12:29:50 PM
I'm really stumped how Midwest Express can grow .. let alone survive .. with Omaha, Grand Rapids, and Cincy as their routes.

Gotta have some money makers, like southbound tourism flights in the winter-spring months.

I know how hard it is to get a gate at an major airport.  I wonder if any have ever tried going to minor airports.  Like .. (random Florida search..) Sarasota, Florida.  It's a legit airport with a few gates and 17 regular flights.   It's within 2.5 hours drive of Tampa, Orlando, Ft. Myers, Naples and dozens of tourist islands.

Link MKE to Sarasota, and market it as a way to get to Florida's beaches.  Same story for something like Pensacola.   Zillions of Wisconsinites make that awful drive to Florida's panhandle.

I'm sure there's a reason this doesn't happen.. ?

supposedly they asked local business for what routes they would use that are underserved
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 30, 2019, 01:50:13 PM
Eye wuzant axed, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on August 30, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
All about price.  Sarasota is a great smaller airport. During my time at PepsiCo, I worked on Tropicana.  The former HQ and still base of operations was the plant in Bradenton.  Sarasota was the preferred airport but only about 1 out of 3 trips would I fly into there because it was a substantially higher cost than heading to Tampa and renting a car.

Elite Airways, which is leasing crews and planes for the Midwest Express venture, already flies to "off-the-beaten-path" airports in Florida in the winter. They have regular service to Melbourne from cities on the east coast and from Vero Beach to Newark and Asheville.

Melbourne is a city with a boatload of defense contractors serving the Cape and Vero is a city desperate for commercial air service to anywhere. The Elite service to Newark and, more recently, Asheville, NC, has done well.

None of these places are Omaha, Grand Rapids and Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on September 30, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Benny is flying into San Diego on Thursday evening for a Friday morning meeting. 

Benny flies AAL and is looking at return flight options on Friday afternoon that connect through LAX.

Benny is a Brewer fan and knows there's a possibility that the Brewers will be playing in LA on Friday evening.

Ideally, Benny would like to take an afternoon flight into LAX, throw his duffel bag in a locker, Uber over to Dodger Stadium for a few hours, Uber back to LAX, and take the red-eye back to ORD in time for his daughter's volleyball game on Saturday. 

However, if the Brewers don't advance to the NLDS (or they do but it's an afternoon game), Benny would like to take an earlier flight in order to get into ORD Friday evening.

Benny has status with AAL so can standby for earlier flights or do a same-day flight change (based on availability) for $75.

Benny knows that AAL allows a maximum connection time of 4 hours.

Accordingly, Benny the following options:

1) Book SAN-LAX and LAX-ORD as separate tickets.  Pros: Pricing is roughly the same, flexibility to move one flight without having to adjust the other.  Cons: If the first flight is delayed, AAL has no liability if the second flight is missed (likely only a problem if there's no Brewer game in LA); while not explicitly prohibited, may be a violation of the Carriage Rules which says: "Reservations made to exploit or circumvent fare and ticket rules are strictly prohibited."

2) Book return LAX-ORD.  Rent car in SAN and drive to LA Friday afternoon.  Pros: No rules violations.  Maximum flexibility on LAX-ORD flight.  Could leave San Diego a little later afternoon (and minimize downtime in LA).  Cons: Driving from San Diego to LA; could miss earlier flight out of LAX (i.e. if no Brewer game that evening) if traffic is bad.

3) Book one ticket through SAN-LAX-ORD.  Pros: Easiest to book.  A little cheaper.  Peace of mind if first flight is delayed.  Cons: Can you standby or change just one leg of connecting flights?

4) Don't book anything until tomorrow night.  This is actually what I'm going to do, but just out of curiosity has anyone ever done a "same-day flight change" on AAL only on the second leg of a connecting flight -or- fly standby on the first leg of that arrives >4 hours before the second flight
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 30, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
If you're flying for work then just fly into San Diego and fly home from LAX.  Pick up car rental in San Diego and return it at LAX.  I do all the time.  You have to fit your schedule.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 30, 2019, 06:10:51 PM
I don’t know AAL’s change process, but on United I can change any leg all the time for $0 (I’m 1K though on United). As an example, to get segments to keep my status, I’ll go to Austin from ORD. 24 hours before my return flight home, instead of going AUS-ORD, I’ll go AUS-HOU-ORD. If I want to keep AUS-ORD, and there’s availability, I can go later if I want. I’d imagine since LAX has more availability than an SAN flight, you’d be fine.

That being said, I’d go with #3 as my first option and #1 as my second option. I’d see how things shake out with the Brew Crew, and then if needed, adjust the LAX-ORD leg to the red eye. I can’t imagine AA disallowing that. You also should have 24 hours after booking to change as needed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2019, 04:32:59 AM
Benny is flying into San Diego on Thursday evening for a Friday morning meeting. 

Benny flies AAL and is looking at return flight options on Friday afternoon that connect through LAX.

Benny is a Brewer fan and knows there's a possibility that the Brewers will be playing in LA on Friday evening.

Ideally, Benny would like to take an afternoon flight into LAX, throw his duffel bag in a locker, Uber over to Dodger Stadium for a few hours, Uber back to LAX, and take the red-eye back to ORD in time for his daughter's volleyball game on Saturday. 

However, if the Brewers don't advance to the NLDS (or they do but it's an afternoon game), Benny would like to take an earlier flight in order to get into ORD Friday evening.

Benny has status with AAL so can standby for earlier flights or do a same-day flight change (based on availability) for $75.

Benny knows that AAL allows a maximum connection time of 4 hours.

Accordingly, Benny the following options:

1) Book SAN-LAX and LAX-ORD as separate tickets.  Pros: Pricing is roughly the same, flexibility to move one flight without having to adjust the other.  Cons: If the first flight is delayed, AAL has no liability if the second flight is missed (likely only a problem if there's no Brewer game in LA); while not explicitly prohibited, may be a violation of the Carriage Rules which says: "Reservations made to exploit or circumvent fare and ticket rules are strictly prohibited."

2) Book return LAX-ORD.  Rent car in SAN and drive to LA Friday afternoon.  Pros: No rules violations.  Maximum flexibility on LAX-ORD flight.  Could leave San Diego a little later afternoon (and minimize downtime in LA).  Cons: Driving from San Diego to LA; could miss earlier flight out of LAX (i.e. if no Brewer game that evening) if traffic is bad.

3) Book one ticket through SAN-LAX-ORD.  Pros: Easiest to book.  A little cheaper.  Peace of mind if first flight is delayed.  Cons: Can you standby or change just one leg of connecting flights?

4) Don't book anything until tomorrow night.  This is actually what I'm going to do, but just out of curiosity has anyone ever done a "same-day flight change" on AAL only on the second leg of a connecting flight -or- fly standby on the first leg of that arrives >4 hours before the second flight

Has Brother Benny ever driven in Los Angeles traffic? The 405 at that time of day is a nightmare only surpassed by the 5.

Assuming Brother Benny is in Downtown San Diego, the trip to Dodger Stadium should take between 90 and 120 minutes sans traffic. But, that's a fantasy except after 10:00 p.m. Plan up to six hours to get to Dodger Stadium depending on time of day. And, there is NO mass transit!

If the Benster is planning on a 7:00 p.m. start, the game will be over by 10:30 p.m., assuming no extra innings. The bank of flights from LAX to ORD that would get Brother Benny to the volleyball game would leave around midnight. Assuming 2.5 hours to get from Dodger Stadium (Pasadena Freeway -- Cal 110 at Elysian Fields) down to the Harbor Freeway to the 105, return a rental car and clear security at LAX Terminal 5 and Brother Benny is pushing it in the extreme. More likely, Brother Benny is sleeping in chairs at LAX.

Uber probably takes 45 minutes less, but you lose that benefit at Dodger Stadium when you are competing late at night for the Ubers operating in LA at that time.

The morning bank leaves beginning between 5:30 a.m., and 6:00 a.m., and would arrive in Chicago around noon. Assuming an hour connecting time for a flight to Milwaukee and a 30 minutes actual flight, Brother Benny better hope the volleyball game does not start before 2:30 p.m.

P.S.— Benny, I travel to LA quite a bit on business and have entertained various versions of your great adventure — even when the Cardinals were in town. The logistics are a nightmare in SoCal. Also, have you priced Dodger tickets?

You are better off waiting until they return to Milwaukee!
 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 01, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
Has Brother Benny ever driven in Los Angeles traffic? The 405 at that time of day is a nightmare only surpassed by the 5.

Assuming Brother Benny is in Downtown San Diego, the trip to Dodger Stadium should take between 90 and 120 minutes sans traffic. But, that's a fantasy except after 10:00 p.m. Plan up to six hours to get to Dodger Stadium depending on time of day. And, there is NO mass transit!

If the Benster is planning on a 7:00 p.m. start, the game will be over by 10:30 p.m., assuming no extra innings. The bank of flights from LAX to ORD that would get Brother Benny to the volleyball game would leave around midnight. Assuming 2.5 hours to get from Dodger Stadium (Pasadena Freeway -- Cal 110 at Elysian Fields) down to the Harbor Freeway to the 105, return a rental car and clear security at LAX Terminal 5 and Brother Benny is pushing it in the extreme. More likely, Brother Benny is sleeping in chairs at LAX.

Uber probably takes 45 minutes less, but you lose that benefit at Dodger Stadium when you are competing late at night for the Ubers operating in LA at that time.

The morning bank leaves beginning between 5:30 a.m., and 6:00 a.m., and would arrive in Chicago around noon. Assuming an hour connecting time for a flight to Milwaukee and a 30 minutes actual flight, Brother Benny better hope the volleyball game does not start before 2:30 p.m.

P.S.— Benny, I travel to LA quite a bit on business and have entertained various versions of your great adventure — even when the Cardinals were in town. The logistics are a nightmare in SoCal. Also, have you priced Dodger tickets?

You are better off waiting until they return to Milwaukee!

Despite the facade, rest assured that Benny's no idiot (although, Benny is asking Scoop for travel advice, so maybe Benny is a few french fries short of a Happy Meal).

Yes, I have driven in SoCal.  Twice.  Once involved a late-morning drive from LAX to Ventura and back home that afternoon via Hope International.  The other time was landing SNA at 9:15a, driving to Carlsbad, and having my 4:45 SAN-PHX-ORD flight (via PHX) cancelled while I was at lunch... so I calmly finished my meal and headed for LAX; I drove by the San Pechugas nuke station at 2:30 (which I know from the timestamp, because of course I took a picture), which means I left Carlsbad around 2:00, and still made it in plenty of time for my 6:15 flight back to ORD (incidentally, arriving at roughly the same time as my original PHX-ORD would have).

Yes, I've already priced tickets... a little over $200 gets me 20 rows from the Visitor's dugout.  But I would hope that a combination of my a) needing just a single ticket and b) willingness to wait until last minute to buy will provide an opportunity to get into the stadium at a bargain price... at least by LA standards, which roughly translates to "not-sure-if-I-did-or-didn't-get-ripped-off" in Milwaukee.

But it occurred to me that it's not flight schedules or ticket prices that are going to make/break my plans.... Are there even lockers at LAX?  I know some airports have done away with them, and Dodger Stadium most assuredly isn't going to let me inside the stadium with a duffel bag, especially after that debacle their counterpart across town had several years ago with the Queen.

You are better off waiting until they return to Milwaukee!

Of course I already have tickets for Game 3 back home... I figured I'd try to catch 2 NLDS games this year since after Sunday's game, there won't be baseball in Milwaukee for another 8 days.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 01, 2019, 04:34:39 PM
I've never seen lockers at LAX, and I did a quick google search to confirm and looks like there are not any. My two cents advice would be to find a hotel at LAX and ask if you can store your bags, I'm sure for a sawbuck someone would take your bags, and you'd be good to go. I think for one ticket, you'll end up getting a good deal.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
Despite the facade, rest assured that Benny's no idiot (although, Benny is asking Scoop for travel advice, so maybe Benny is a few french fries short of a Happy Meal).

Yes, I have driven in SoCal.  Twice.  Once involved a late-morning drive from LAX to Ventura and back home that afternoon via Hope International.  The other time was landing SNA at 9:15a, driving to Carlsbad, and having my 4:45 SAN-PHX-ORD flight (via PHX) cancelled while I was at lunch... so I calmly finished my meal and headed for LAX; I drove by the San Pechugas nuke station at 2:30 (which I know from the timestamp, because of course I took a picture), which means I left Carlsbad around 2:00, and still made it in plenty of time for my 6:15 flight back to ORD (incidentally, arriving at roughly the same time as my original PHX-ORD would have).

Yes, I've already priced tickets... a little over $200 gets me 20 rows from the Visitor's dugout.  But I would hope that a combination of my a) needing just a single ticket and b) willingness to wait until last minute to buy will provide an opportunity to get into the stadium at a bargain price... at least by LA standards, which roughly translates to "not-sure-if-I-did-or-didn't-get-ripped-off" in Milwaukee.

But it occurred to me that it's not flight schedules or ticket prices that are going to make/break my plans.... Are there even lockers at LAX?  I know some airports have done away with them, and Dodger Stadium most assuredly isn't going to let me inside the stadium with a duffel bag, especially after that debacle their counterpart across town had several years ago with the Queen.

Of course I already have tickets for Game 3 back home... I figured I'd try to catch 2 NLDS games this year since after Sunday's game, there won't be baseball in Milwaukee for another 8 days.

Why not just check your bag Brother B?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2019, 05:55:59 PM
Brother Benjamin

Assuming the Brewers play Friday, here is you solution. You can pay me later!

1) When you finish your meeting, go to the Amtrak station and catch a San Diegan from SD to LAUPT. That’s about 3 miles from Dodger Stadium and no traffic worries.

2) there should be lockers at LAUPT.

3) Assuming the game is timed for the east coast, it should start by 5 pm so be in LA by 3, check your bag and enjoy the game.

4) After the game, get an Uber and pick your bag up at LAUPT on the way to the airport.

5) In case if no locker, see Dish’s idea. Smart one and the Westin, Marriott and several other hotels are nearby

Go Brewers!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 01, 2019, 09:09:36 PM
The obligatory pining of Scoop for travel info.  I literally have a round the world business trip coming up the end of the month to visit several customers and a sister manufacturing plant.


I've got flights and hotels booked and most of the transportation worked out. 
I'm vaccinated up. 
I will bring my running shoes.
I was reading that Uber is big in Banagalore.  I booked hotels walking distance to downtown sites or near metro stops.
Any thoughts on how much cash to bring for each country for gift shopping, cabs, dinners? 
Good gift shopping location for wife and kids?
Typical gift types? I read orchid jewelry from Singapore for example. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 01, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
The obligatory pining of Scoop for travel info.  I literally have a round the world business trip coming up the end of the month to visit several customers and a sister manufacturing plant.

  • 12 hour layover in Seoul where I've already booked a Transit Tour.  Special tours from Incheon to nearby places and you supposedly get to skip security on the return to airport.
  • Kuala Lumpur - Just overnight on my way to......
  • Penang, Malaysia
  • Singapore
  • Bangalore, India

I've got flights and hotels booked and most of the transportation worked out. 
I'm vaccinated up. 
I will bring my running shoes.
I was reading that Uber is big in Banagalore.  I booked hotels walking distance to downtown sites or near metro stops.
Any thoughts on how much cash to bring for each country for gift shopping, cabs, dinners? 
Good gift shopping location for wife and kids?
Typical gift types? I read orchid jewelry from Singapore for example.

I don’t have any good advice for you other than have a great time and be safe, even though it’s a work trip, that’s an awesome itinerary. Very impressed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on October 01, 2019, 09:52:36 PM
The obligatory pining of Scoop for travel info.  I literally have a round the world business trip coming up the end of the month to visit several customers and a sister manufacturing plant.

  • 12 hour layover in Seoul where I've already booked a Transit Tour.  Special tours from Incheon to nearby places and you supposedly get to skip security on the return to airport.
  • Kuala Lumpur - Just overnight on my way to......
  • Penang, Malaysia
  • Singapore
  • Bangalore, India

I've got flights and hotels booked and most of the transportation worked out. 
I'm vaccinated up. 
I will bring my running shoes.
I was reading that Uber is big in Banagalore.  I booked hotels walking distance to downtown sites or near metro stops.
Any thoughts on how much cash to bring for each country for gift shopping, cabs, dinners? 
Good gift shopping location for wife and kids?
Typical gift types? I read orchid jewelry from Singapore for example.

Get a Schwab Investment Checking Account. Comes with a global ATM card which pays you back for all your fees. Best way to get cash. Seoul has great food. Not quite the sites of say Tokyo, Beijing or Shanghai. But a great city. you could always go to the Goose Island Brewhouse. They have an in house steak aging program. It's pretty sweet.

That's all I got. Have fun. Trust your business associates on places to go eat. If you see a long line of locals it's probably good. Bring Cipro just in case you get some stomach uh ohs.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 01, 2019, 10:48:03 PM
Get a Schwab Investment Checking Account. Comes with a global ATM card which pays you back for all your fees. Best way to get cash.

Beat me to it.  Best advice there is for international travel. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
Benny -- feel bad for you tonight. Thought the Brewers played well and was sad to Washington come up big late.

Fortunately, our season is just around the corner to soothe any wounds.

Love the Brewers effort. Team reflects the best of baseball. Craig Counsell is Manager of the Year.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on October 01, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
I don't understand the opportunity for a contract airline to fly spoke service between Milwaukee, Grand Rapids (23 minutes flying time), Omaha and any other regional sub-market. The only thing that might make sense is Milwaukee to Dallas, Denver, Seattle, New York or Florida.

Keep in mind that MKE is a different airport with different service than 10-20+ years ago when Midwest Express filled that gap. All of these markets now see mainline service from major carriers with decent FF programs — which means the only thing the new airline could compete on in these markets would be price.

The CVG/GRR/OMA plan is pretty strategic. There’s some business demand each way, and anyone in MKE heading to those markets is either looking at an ugly, expensive connection, a drive to ORD to catch a United Express flight, or in the case of CVG or GRR, a drive through Chicago traffic hell — and there is a premium to be commanded for nonstop service.

So initially promising. If there’s a critique I just don’t see the endgame. You can only pick and choose your way through so many markets that don’t have nonstop competition and can drive enough demand. What’s left? IND? PIT? AUS? Expansion gets tough pursuing this approach for the long term.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 02, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
The obligatory pining of Scoop for travel info.  I literally have a round the world business trip coming up the end of the month to visit several customers and a sister manufacturing plant.

  • 12 hour layover in Seoul where I've already booked a Transit Tour.  Special tours from Incheon to nearby places and you supposedly get to skip security on the return to airport.
  • Kuala Lumpur - Just overnight on my way to......
  • Penang, Malaysia
  • Singapore
  • Bangalore, India

I've got flights and hotels booked and most of the transportation worked out. 
I'm vaccinated up. 
I will bring my running shoes.
I was reading that Uber is big in Banagalore.  I booked hotels walking distance to downtown sites or near metro stops.
Any thoughts on how much cash to bring for each country for gift shopping, cabs, dinners? 
Good gift shopping location for wife and kids?
Typical gift types? I read orchid jewelry from Singapore for example.

Thats an awesome route, unfortunately you're ending in Bangalore instead of Seoul or Singapore.

Uber in India is a game changer.  Extremely inexpensive, cuts through a lot of the BS.  As someone who has traveled to India a dozen times, Id caution against the Metro.  Just unpleasant, uncomfortably crowded and unhygienic, and will add nothing to your visit.  You can use Ubers all day for practically nothing.   Ill take 2-3 Ubers a day in Mumbai, stuck in traffic on 45-1 hour long trips...and still combine multiple days into a single expense line item under $25.

Singapore is incredible.  Make sure you go up to the Marina Bay Sands, get a drink at either Spago or Lavo.  Views are absolutely stunning and surreal.  Also walk around the Marina Bay mall.  Gorgeous and upscale.  Speaking of malls, the Jewel I can't recommend highly enough.  Beautiful from the outside, inside its a combination upscale mall and botanical garden.  Absolutely stunning interior with tons of amazing vegetation.  Felt like the best zoo exhibit I'd see...without the animals.

KL is supposed to be great too.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 02, 2019, 11:23:56 AM
Thats an awesome route, unfortunately you're ending in Bangalore instead of Seoul or Singapore.

Uber in India is a game changer.  Extremely inexpensive, cuts through a lot of the BS.  As someone who has traveled to India a dozen times, Id caution against the Metro.  Just unpleasant, uncomfortably crowded and unhygienic, and will add nothing to your visit.  You can use Ubers all day for practically nothing.   Ill take 2-3 Ubers a day in Mumbai, stuck in traffic on 45-1 hour long trips...and still combine multiple days into a single expense line item under $25.

Singapore is incredible.  Make sure you go up to the Marina Bay Sands, get a drink at either Spago or Lavo.  Views are absolutely stunning and surreal.  Also walk around the Marina Bay mall.  Gorgeous and upscale.  Speaking of malls, the Jewel I can't recommend highly enough.  Beautiful from the outside, inside its a combination upscale mall and botanical garden.  Absolutely stunning interior with tons of amazing vegetation.  Felt like the best zoo exhibit I'd see...without the animals.

KL is supposed to be great too.  Enjoy!

Thanks for the feedback.
Most of my recent travel has been domestic or Europe and I have not been to Asia in over 10+ years and a I figured some things have changed.
I will look into the Schwab Investment Checking Account.  I've been ordering cash online through Travelex before trips and they take back your surplus after your trip.

Bangalore was my planned first stop (because I wanted to knock it out first) and my customer informed me the preceding Monday & Tuesday was a national holiday and the factory would be closed so I had to put on the tail end else I would have an extra day in Singapore.

Reading up on Bangalore it said it's the best first place to visit in India because it's cleaner, less hot, and less congested than most of India.  Don't know if it's true.  Same article mentioned the metro was clean and just opened like 2 years ago.  But cheap Uber works for me. 

And there is nothing like staying at a Conrad Hotel for the same price as the Hampton Inn in Downtown Milwaukee.  (It's all about the points.)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 02, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
A good flight crew makes such a big difference, especially when travelling with wife/kids. I'm on a flight to Denver right now on a 777 from ORD, gave my wife the upgrade to the lie flat, and myself and 3 kids are in the middle 4 seats in economy plus. A + crew on this flight, they made sure my kids felt welcomed and were happy (we sat on the tarmac for an hour this morning). When it came time for bistro on board, my 1K took care of my meal, and they comped my kids snacks (multiple Pringles/M&M's/gummy bears...we look like we looted a 7-11). Travelling with kids can be really stressful, and this particular crew has made a gigantic difference. Often overlooked how that can impact the travel experience.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on October 02, 2019, 01:25:11 PM
This mainly relates to Madrid so rather than create a new narrow topic I will plug this post in here, under travel.....

Thank you MU, Sam Sauceda and the MU in Madrid program.

An early basketball/football star at MU, Hispanic pioneer, former MU AD (1969 to 73) and very kind man named Sam Sauceda was a Spanish professor  at MU who also founded the Marquette program at University of Madrid. He passed a few years ago, and for those who never heard of him, here is a partial obituary:

Samuel Paul Sauceda, age 89, died peacefully in his home on April 4, 2016. Sauceda, the oldest of six siblings, was a star athlete at Elgin High School and earned all state honors in football and basketball. He was inducted into the Elgin Sports Hall of Fame in 1981. Sauceda was the first Hispanic to earn an athletic scholarship to Marquette University and played the 1944 football season before enlisting in the U.S. Army. He was stationed in Germany at the end of World War II. Upon returning from the war, he played four years of basketball at Marquette University (1947-1950) and an additional year of football in 1948. Sauceda, a six-time letter winner, was one of only four freshmen in Marquette history to letter in both football and basketball. After his senior year, he was the school's all-time leader in steals and second leading scorer in basketball. Following the 1949-50 season, he represented Marquette in the College Basketball All-Star game at Chicago Stadium. Sauceda served as Marquette's Athletic Director from 1969-73 and was also Chairman of the Athletic Board. A Spanish professor, Sauceda received his B.A. from Marquette University, a Master Degree of Arts from the University of Wisconsin-Madison (Spanish) and a Doctorate from the University of Madrid (Spanish). He was a faculty member of the Foreign Language Department at Marquette University where he taught for 43 years and retired in 1997. He established the Marquette in Madrid Junior Year Abroad program in 1965 and served as its resident director. He also taught in Guadalajara, Mexico for eight years with the University of San Diego Summer Program. Sauceda cherished being a teacher and was an avid sports fan - proudly one of Marquette University's biggest supporters.

Anyway... for me the best thing I got out my MU time was August 77-September 78, including attending the Univ of Madrid. Immersed in life, art, the love of a spanish girl, music partying and tons of European travel...it was great. I owe MU and Sam S many thanks. Returning often ...sharing this city with others has been a lifelong joy.

The last half of this October my wife and I are heading to Madrid, for three weeks (I have clients there) and our highlight will be bringing our 10 year old granddaughter for the first time. I am so excited to have her see the Art at the Prado, the Royal Palace, Toledo, the Alcazar and Aqueduct in Segovia, etc...her first exposure to another world will impact her life...forever .

Thanks Sammy and MU, for my love of Madrid....and those of you with kids going now or soon to MU...if you can work it out I heartily recommend junior year in the MU program at Univ of Madrid...it will change their life.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 02, 2019, 01:33:09 PM
Sam Sauceda also spearheaded getting rid of Willie Wampum. Just sayin', hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 02, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
Bangalore was my planned first stop (because I wanted to knock it out first) and my customer informed me the preceding Monday & Tuesday was a national holiday and the factory would be closed so I had to put on the tail end else I would have an extra day in Singapore.

Reading up on Bangalore it said it's the best first place to visit in India because it's cleaner, less hot, and less congested than most of India.  Don't know if it's true.  Same article mentioned the metro was clean and just opened like 2 years ago.  But cheap Uber works for me. 

And there is nothing like staying at a Conrad Hotel for the same price as the Hampton Inn in Downtown Milwaukee.  (It's all about the points.)

Valid points, but...its still India  ::)  I have my issues with China and other heavily populated areas with transportation, but India takes the cake.  Heck, when I was in Singapore, I managed to find myself amidst an Indian tour group of 200+ when taking the monorail.  Beautiful sparkling modern monorail, but it was a disaster with pushing and shoving and no personal space and rudeness, etc... Take that times x10 and you have the scenario on even the best public transit in India. 

And the climate is a bit more moderate, but you're still gonna be catching the end of raining season and looking at upper 70s/low 80s with big humidity.

But you nailed it with the Conrad.  One of the silver linings on my trips to the country.  I personally stay at a Sofitel near the business park where my customers are.  Over the top service, scented air in the hallways, random cleaning staff call me by name, breakfast and happy hour in a rooftop lounge included, and a room near the size of my 1BR in Chicago...for $150.  It makes the trip perfectly palatable when I have an oasis to return to.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on October 02, 2019, 01:42:44 PM
Sam Sauceda also spearheaded getting rid of Willie Wampum. Just sayin', hey?

Well yeah....duh....He was Hispanic with N American indian blood lines (common to many latinos)

....maybe you wanna be reasonable and  concede he shouldve been allowed to take a little offense at the cartoonish  Willie

Remember too as a lifelong MU Sports guy... Sam had nothing, zero to do with Dilulio's elimination of the "Warriors".
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 02, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
A good flight crew makes such a big difference, especially when travelling with wife/kids. I'm on a flight to Denver right now on a 777 from ORD, gave my wife the upgrade to the lie flat, and myself and 3 kids are in the middle 4 seats in economy plus. A + crew on this flight, they made sure my kids felt welcomed and were happy (we sat on the tarmac for an hour this morning). When it came time for bistro on board, my 1K took care of my meal, and they comped my kids snacks (multiple Pringles/M&M's/gummy bears...we look like we looted a 7-11). Travelling with kids can be really stressful, and this particular crew has made a gigantic difference. Often overlooked how that can impact the travel experience.

United is pretty good with families, especially with families of high mileage frequent fliers. Had one time where someone figured out my wife and I were in first and my junior high children were in coach, so they upgraded both of them as we boarded the plane.

A couple of things I learned about flying with my children when they were in middle school and beyond:

1) Threaten them with death. They respond to that and usually works.

2) Make sure there are video games available to them. That keeps them happy no matter how long the trip is.

3) My children were fascinated with the wonder of flight. We made sure they acted fascinated and like adults. The result was they were always good until we got off the plane.

4) See if you can get them in the cockpit before or after. The pilots love it unless they are busy and love to show kids around. United will do this on  widebodies and on smaller jets if they have time.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on October 02, 2019, 06:50:46 PM
I always marvel at you road warriors.  I'm sure it's wonderful to see the world.  I'm sure it's more wonderful when you get to attend your kid's soccer game.  I never had to travel much for business.  And then only very early and late in my career and only domestically.

Our kid has traveled a ton in his first few years out of college, again only domestically.  Has now earned Bonvoy 'lounge access' just based on travel this year.  Don't think he has enough airline miles to get the airport clubs yet though. Soon, I'm sure.  I'm hanging with him!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 02, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
Our kid has traveled a ton in his first few years out of college, again only domestically.  Has now earned Bonvoy 'lounge access' just based on travel this year.  Don't think he has enough airline miles to get the airport clubs yet though. Soon, I'm sure.  I'm hanging with him!

When it comes to perks, hotel status like with Marriott usually is more useful, IMO. My airline status is great for business travel perks and flexibility, but minimal benefit for personal travel with a SO unless we’re using miles. My GF is Titanium with Marriott and I get way more benefit from that then she does from my 1K.

As for clubs, unfortunately he won’t. Those are usually tied to either ticket class purchased or if you have the right CC (United Club Card or one with Priority Pass). As I mentioned, I’m 1K, and I only get into lounges if I’m flying international. I never have United Club access for domestic travel
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 02, 2019, 10:41:50 PM
When it comes to perks, hotel status like with Marriott usually is more useful, IMO. My airline status is great for business travel perks and flexibility, but minimal benefit for personal travel with a SO unless we’re using miles. My GF is Titanium with Marriott and I get way more benefit from that then she does from my 1K.

As for clubs, unfortunately he won’t. Those are usually tied to either ticket class purchased or if you have the right CC (United Club Card or one with Priority Pass). As I mentioned, I’m 1K, and I only get into lounges if I’m flying international. I never have United Club access for domestic travel

JWags hit the nail on the head. I’m 1K with United and haven’t been in a United Club in a couple years. All my work travel is domestic and I always plan to spend as little time as possible at the airport. My 1K status for my family is nice when they travel with me (all checked bags free, and I use my Regional/Global premier upgrades to try to get some combo of us upgraded), but as JWags said, my Marriott Titanium status is far more handy for the family. We’ve stayed in suites at some really nice places. My tip to people, if you’re staying at a resort with your family on an upcoming trip and you have status, always email the hotel manager a month ahead, let them know what your family is celebrating on that trip, and you should get something nice when you get there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on October 03, 2019, 06:40:02 AM
I think he's Marriott Platinum now thus earning the lounge.  I never got past Silver.  Fine by me.  He also flies Alaska Air almost exclusively.  Seattle, Alaska, Pacific NW with occasional business trips and training exercises elsewhere.  Just spent 4 weeks at headquarters in DC.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 03, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
I agree... hotel loyalty is still worth something.  I'm Marriott lifetime titanium and I haven't stayed in a standard room in ages.  Always suites, always lounge access, free very fast internet, and check in/out pretty much whenever I need to.  I really think twice before booking another brand, although I still end up 20+ nights a year in non-Marriott due to conferences or company bookings or cities where it's just not convenient.

Airline loyalty programs are pretty useless.  I'm spending the last of my AA miles (it got up over 2,000,000 for a while) but can't get much for them any more, and really must book ahead.   What I do to make travel simple is just fly on the cheapest business class there is.  That means I've used nearly every airline you can imagine.  In the last 18 months I've done trans-atlantic on BA, AA, Lufthansa, Swiss, Finn, Austrian, Qatar, and Lot and trans-pacific on Qatar, SQ, JAL, ANA, and Asiana.  Some are great... none are bad.  By doing this I get some very interesting layovers in new cities.

In the USA you can fly almost any route in first class for about $400.  It's worth it.  Even when you're on a little CRJ, the pointy end is always better.  When it's more expensive than that, I use my miles.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
Airline loyalty programs are pretty useless.  I'm spending the last of my AA miles (it got up over 2,000,000 for a while) but can't get much for them any more, and really must book ahead.   What I do to make travel simple is just fly on the cheapest business class there is.  That means I've used nearly every airline you can imagine.  In the last 18 months I've done trans-atlantic on BA, AA, Lufthansa, Swiss, Finn, Austrian, Qatar, and Lot and trans-pacific on Qatar, SQ, JAL, ANA, and Asiana.  Some are great... none are bad.  By doing this I get some very interesting layovers in new cities.

In the USA you can fly almost any route in first class for about $400.  It's worth it.  Even when you're on a little CRJ, the pointy end is always better.  When it's more expensive than that, I use my miles.

It really depends.  If you can have 7-10 years of heavy travel and get million mile status on an airline, then it doesn't matter much.  My father is lifetime Gold on United as a 1MM and that gets him lounges for any Star Alliance lounge on international travel, free bags, and economy plus.  You don't need much more as a casual flier.  If you're just a domestic flier, status is eh these days, especially if you're not checking bags.

I still gun for 1K cause the Global Upgrades are vital.  I fly to Asia/India 4-5 a year, and its the difference between flying business for $1000-1500 round trip or $5000+.  Unfortunately, I don't work for a consulting firm or Fortune100 company that would pay for the business fares, so the upgrades are vital.

And fully aware Im sounding douchey as someone who gets upgraded on 80% of domestic flights to 1st (im actually surprised when im not top 3 on the upgrade list, Dish I'm sure can relate), its usually not worth it.  Flights longer than 3 hours, then it is, but point to point anywhere east of the Mississippi and north of Florida, nah. You might get a drink and a mediocre meal.  The leg room isn't meaningfully different than EconomyPlus (unless you're 6'3+). 

I think Delta's actual in air product domestically is better, but United I get fed in first from NYC to Chicago.  I flew Delta first from Dallas to NYC with my gf and got to pick from a snack box and they had a limited drink selection.  Id never pay $250+ for that.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 03, 2019, 01:27:21 PM
Delta flier.  I have Silver Medallion status and it is worth it.  I always book a seat in Main Cabin and the half-dozen round trips I've flown this year I've been bumped up on every leg of every flight to either Comfort Plus or First Class.

I have Hilton Honors, Marriot Bonvoy & use Hotels.com.  I usually go for a Hilton brand for a first choice, Marriott second, then an 8.0 or higher customer rated place on Hotels.com.  The problem is there isn't always a Hilton or Marriott branded hotel in the right location and if there is it may be too expensive (whether personal or business travel) or missing breakfast. 
I have Gold Status for Hilton & Hotels.com.  I get free breakfast at Hiltons that don't include breakfast and late check-out / early check-in.  My last Hotels.com stay was the Brewhouse Inn & Suites and I got upgraded to the top floor room with an outdoor patio. 

I don't recall ever missing any of my kids events.  I've always got to pick my travel schedule so I scheduled travel around their activities.  My upcoming Asia trip is a good example.  Squeezing in between Family Weekend at Xavier for the older daughter and an Open House for UVM for the younger daughter.  Plus I'm back on Election Day in time to vote in my town municipal election.  I miss Halloween, but I'm not missing because the younger daughter said "she's done with it" this year.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 03, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
JWags hit the nail on the head. I’m 1K with United and haven’t been in a United Club in a couple years. All my work travel is domestic and I always plan to spend as little time as possible at the airport. My 1K status for my family is nice when they travel with me (all checked bags free, and I use my Regional/Global premier upgrades to try to get some combo of us upgraded), but as JWags said, my Marriott Titanium status is far more handy for the family. We’ve stayed in suites at some really nice places. My tip to people, if you’re staying at a resort with your family on an upcoming trip and you have status, always email the hotel manager a month ahead, let them know what your family is celebrating on that trip, and you should get something nice when you get there.

Been 1K for a long time and am legacy United Premier Executive and 1K. I fly them an awful lot (million mile flyer) and generally don't fly coach (am 6'5"). They're good about upgrading my family or traveling companions to Economy Plus. With Million Mile Status, I get Gold for life, which means I have automatic placement in Economy Plus if I fly Coach. That's about it. My wife also gets my status for the rest of her life.

I find that as a 1K, they care for me. They are concerned about me and they'll make sure they can do what they can for me.

I have a United Club membership, which is really great or downright awful depending on the city. Newark, Dulles and SFO 60s concourse is awful. ORD "B" is great, C is a craphole. Orlando is magnificent, the people are incredible and the service as good as anywhere. United Club in Minneapolis is small but nice. The new Los Angeles is club is fantastic and Houston isn't bad either.

The Globals and Regionals are worthless. United just rolled out a new program to replace them because too many of us have found these programs to be unusable.

I go to so many different places that a hotel loyalty is harder. I tend to prefer Starwood/Marriott and have to admit I stay at Westins when I can. The interesting thing about hotels is I can tell the quality within 5 seconds of walking in a room. How does it smell? Are there scuffs and scratches on the furniture and walls? What's the bathroom like? Are the windows clean? Does the furniture look like something made in the 21st century? And, how firm is the bed?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 03, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
As a watch-out, my Hilton Rewards account of about 2 million points was wiped out in a day and used on AMZ to buy products. Crooks are smart as they are looking for easy holes as these hotels are obviously not cyber security savvy. No alerts whatsoever. When called, they restored them no problem and they said it was the fifth case recently.  Hello...sounds like an inside job.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2019, 02:50:21 PM
I have a United Club membership, which is really great or downright awful depending on the city. Newark, Dulles and SFO 60s concourse is awful. ORD "B" is great, C is a craphole. Orlando is magnificent, the people are incredible and the service as good as anywhere. United Club in Minneapolis is small but nice. The new Los Angeles is club is fantastic and Houston isn't bad either.

The Globals and Regionals are worthless. United just rolled out a new program to replace them because too many of us have found these programs to be unusable.

I go to so many different places that a hotel loyalty is harder. I tend to prefer Starwood/Marriott and have to admit I stay at Westins when I can. The interesting thing about hotels is I can tell the quality within 5 seconds of walking in a room. How does it smell? Are there scuffs and scratches on the furniture and walls? What's the bathroom like? Are the windows clean? Does the furniture look like something made in the 21st century? And, how firm is the bed?

United Club inconsistency is part of the reason why I'd never get the club card.  So many of them are cramped, outdated, no decent food options.

HARD disagree on Global's being worthless.  Again though, if you're a domestic flier who flies to Europe once a year in summer or around the holidays, then yes, probably worthless cause availability will be hard to find.  If you take 1 or more international trips a year, especially with a spouse, they are fantastic, provided you're not in a peak period.  I know 1Ks that have done mini-vacations in Asia, Europe, and S America cause they found good fares as demand wasn't high, and auto upgraded with the Globals.

But the new program will do little to fix that IMO.  While I still haven't figured out how 1Ks will be inconvenienced by the new program (cause I'm under no circumstances naive enough to believe its being done for passenger benefit and not a financial benefit for United), it seems like a response to Regionals.  If you're 1K like us, you rarely use them cause you're often upgraded, and when you're not, having a regional wouldn't have done much anyways.  Additionally, I have a hunch that bumping up the annual spend for 1K qualification from $12K to $15K (which factoring taxes that don't get included in qualifying spend, means more like $4000-4500 additional instead of $3K) sheared off a bunch of 1K fliers down to Platinum.  Now this new system removes Regionals, and gives Platinum an "ability" to get 1 Global while also allowing 1Ks to not waste Regionals and convert those to a Global.  They still likely wont open them up any earlier.  Thats my biggest gripe with United right now.  Put in an upgrade request, 50% of business class is open 3-4 days before the flight, and they wont clear it until day of.  I'm pretty sure they are sending messages or alerts with discounted upgrade fees to Global Services members or the like, cause its amazing how no B class seats are selling and then they jump up an additional $5000 each in the days leading up to the flight and they start disappearing in waves.

I'm a pretty ardent Hotels.com user.  My travel is 60% international trips every 6-8 weeks or so, 30% NYC (where my company has an apt), and 10% domestic.  So I don't load up on decent priced domestic nights like a lot of business travelers.  Staying at a US brand in places like London, Belgium, or HK is $300+ a night which often falls outside of budget, and without great status is a mediocre experience.  So I split between Hotels.com and Accor (as I have decent status from about 20 Sofitel nights a year).  Not great, but I get free nights on both a few times a year.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: awilhelmscream on October 03, 2019, 03:57:02 PM

Airline loyalty programs are pretty useless.  I'm spending the last of my AA miles (it got up over 2,000,000 for a while) but can't get much for them any more, and really must book ahead.   What I do to make travel simple is just fly on the cheapest business class there is.  That means I've used nearly every airline you can imagine.  In the last 18 months I've done trans-atlantic on BA, AA, Lufthansa, Swiss, Finn, Austrian, Qatar, and Lot and trans-pacific on Qatar, SQ, JAL, ANA, and Asiana.  Some are great... none are bad.  By doing this I get some very interesting layovers in new cities.

In the USA you can fly almost any route in first class for about $400.  It's worth it.  Even when you're on a little CRJ, the pointy end is always better.  When it's more expensive than that, I use my miles.

I don't entirely agree.  I fly Southwest and Delta exclusively and always end up with enough points for status on both.  For domestic travel Southwest has hands down the best frequent flyer program for domestic travelers.  If you get the credit card and fly enough the companion pass is well worth it if you can get there.  It gives you the ability to pick a person that will fly with you for free for the year and the ability to change who that person is up to 6 times per year.  We have the credit card and put everything on it and pay it off at the end of the month.  That coupled with the amount I fly (~75,000 points worth of flights per year) has had me there for the last 4 years or so.  Their point redemption seems to be the most fair to me as well.

I do Delta for everything west of the Mississippi and for my international flights to Europe for work.  I've found them to be the most reliable (knock on wood) and accommodating when things do go wrong out of the other major airlines that go international. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 03, 2019, 10:06:59 PM

HARD disagree on Global's being worthless.  Again though, if you're a domestic flier who flies to Europe once a year in summer or around the holidays, then yes, probably worthless cause availability will be hard to find.  If you take 1 or more international trips a year, especially with a spouse, they are fantastic, provided you're not in a peak period.  I know 1Ks that have done mini-vacations in Asia, Europe, and S America cause they found good fares as demand wasn't high, and auto upgraded with the Globals.


I am a UPD, as in Unprofitable Domestic Passenger, on United. All of my travel is domestic, so I got 1K the hard way. I tend to purchase a discounted first class fare most of the time.

You perspective otherwise is right on. The problem with United Clubs has been access. They went from being an amenity to almost being given away. I like them for work, but the problem is the work environment in most now sucks. What's worse, my wife went into the new Polaris Lounge at EWR on her way to Greece last summer and found it downright disgusting. She was a Polaris passenger and 1K and could not find a seat at the bar, a table or anyone who would help her. To top it all off, it was dirty.

She walked in, spent less than five minutes and said anything beat that.

By contrast, my son and I flew to France and visited the Polaris Lounge in Chicago. Absolutely fantastic! United needs to get its act together in first class passenger amenities in the worst way.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 03, 2019, 11:11:43 PM
As for airport clubs, my bank gave me priority pass for free and I use it pretty regularly when my airline doesn't have a lounge or when the location is more convenient.  The lounges aren't great, but better than sitting (often on the floor) in the concourse.  I think I'd even pay the $450 per year for it if I didn't get it for free.  It has also worked in some very bizarre places like Balikpapan, Victoria Falls, Yakutsk and others.  If I have a bunch of American flights coming up, I use miles to pay for another year of Admirals club.  I'd never pay real money for Admirals club. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2019, 11:36:42 PM
I love this thread, I realize it’s not for everyone, and I honestly find joy in every perspective from all you guys/gals on travel.

I agree with JWags on the new Upgrades program has me trying to figure out how it’s getting downgraded. The Regional/Global upgrade process ticks me off more than anything else. I totally get United wants to wait as long as possible to sell that inventory rather than give it away. My beef was we went to Maui on March 1st this year on a Friday from LAX. I requested upgrades for all 5 of my family, and there was a ton of open inventory all the way up to the day of. I knew there was no business traveler competition on this leg either. I called United the morning of the flight asking why none of us had cleared yet. Long story short, 3 of the 5 ended up cleared, but even that didn’t happen until minutes before boarding. I’d rather know 24 hours before if I have multiple people on an itinerary that I’m trying to clear. 1K desk never has any idea, it’s frustrating (#firstworldproblem).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2019, 11:49:52 PM
I wanted to mention too, to me the best part of having higher levels of elite status is for when stuff goes wrong (and at some point it will). As an example, back in May I had a team meeting to go to in Atlanta. I got to my hotel in midtown around midnight and got walked. I was tired and had never been walked before (I’m Titanium with Marriott) and walking a Titanium is very costly. I ended up with 90k in points for the incident and cash compensation. Deep down I really didn’t care, the other hotel was across the street, but was able to rack up a ton of easy points.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 04, 2019, 12:23:20 AM
I love this thread, I realize it’s not for everyone, and I honestly find joy in every perspective from all you guys/gals on travel.

I agree with JWags on the new Upgrades program has me trying to figure out how it’s getting downgraded. The Regional/Global upgrade process ticks me off more than anything else. I totally get United wants to wait as long as possible to sell that inventory rather than give it away. My beef was we went to Maui on March 1st this year on a Friday from LAX. I requested upgrades for all 5 of my family, and there was a ton of open inventory all the way up to the day of. I knew there was no business traveler competition on this leg either. I called United the morning of the flight asking why none of us had cleared yet. Long story short, 3 of the 5 ended up cleared, but even that didn’t happen until minutes before boarding. I’d rather know 24 hours before if I have multiple people on an itinerary that I’m trying to clear. 1K desk never has any idea, it’s frustrating (#firstworldproblem).
This is why I just suck it up and book biz/first. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 04, 2019, 07:34:32 AM
This is why I just suck it up and book biz/first.

Yeup, the airlines figured this out, finally.

When I first started traveling regularly in the 1980s, there was no discounting first class. No yield management either. The airlines ended up with eight or nine unsold first class seats because the fares were absurd. They would sell "upgrades" to elite frequent flyers for pennies on the dollar.

The games we played with the upgrade rules were ridiculous, as was the thought that for $25 or $50 and some silly coupon, you rode first class.

There was one trip my wife and I took to San Francisco, where she flew for one cent (yeup a one cent companion fare) and was in first class both ways ORD-SFO.  I laughed my backside off when United called me one night and offered to refund the one cent. They really did. They knew what was coming.

About a decade ago, someone woke up and asked why the airlines were creating an unrealistic expectation of a first class seat for coach passengers. The result was yield management in domestic and international first class and people like me and Brother WarriorFan who just buy the domestic seats because the price is not much greater than coach.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 04, 2019, 08:50:25 AM
I bode no ill will towards the airlines.  They are (almost all) horrible companies, run by idiots, staffed by drones and they don't care at all about customers.  ONE MUST ACCEPT THIS and find a way to get what one wants regardless of loyalty and points and miles and all of that. 

Anyone who thinks that airline "status"  will get you anything in 5-10 years is kidding themselves.

Hotels - some chains at least - are headed the same way, but you can still play it while there's a game to play. Probably 10-15 more years before the same scenario exists as exists now with air travel.  By then I'll be done traveling and won't care anymore anyway.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 04, 2019, 08:51:39 AM
I love this thread, I realize it’s not for everyone, and I honestly find joy in every perspective from all you guys/gals on travel.

I agree with JWags on the new Upgrades program has me trying to figure out how it’s getting downgraded. The Regional/Global upgrade process ticks me off more than anything else. I totally get United wants to wait as long as possible to sell that inventory rather than give it away. My beef was we went to Maui on March 1st this year on a Friday from LAX. I requested upgrades for all 5 of my family, and there was a ton of open inventory all the way up to the day of. I knew there was no business traveler competition on this leg either. I called United the morning of the flight asking why none of us had cleared yet. Long story short, 3 of the 5 ended up cleared, but even that didn’t happen until minutes before boarding. I’d rather know 24 hours before if I have multiple people on an itinerary that I’m trying to clear. 1K desk never has any idea, it’s frustrating (#firstworldproblem).

Same here.

I find it interesting where people live kind of determines their airline of choice.

Chicago area people seem to be United fliers.  Elsewhere is usually another carrier.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on October 04, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
Same here.

I find it interesting where people live kind of determines their airline of choice.

Chicago area people seem to be United fliers.  Elsewhere is usually another carrier.

Yeah, it's so crazy that people tend to fly the airline that has a hub at the airport closest to their house....   ;)

However, I am one of those moron SWA flyers, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
Same here.

I find it interesting where people live kind of determines their airline of choice.

Chicago area people seem to be United fliers.  Elsewhere is usually another carrier.

Cause when you stick to your airline for status and perks, and that airline isn't hubbed near you, every trip is a connection nightmare.  One of my friends was United 1MM by his late 20s.  Very loyal, raved about them, almost aggressively pro-United.  He moved to Charlotte for work about 5 years ago.  He lasted 2.5, once he realized the job was long term, before switching begrudgingly to American cause he missed direct flights and ease of travel on a regular basis, instead of flying to IAD/EWR/ORD for basically every flight.

And oh the sensitive SWA fliers, yay!  Again, its a fantastic airline for the kind of traveler it caters to.  If you fly enough to have decent status and have any international travel needs (or just enjoy getting to the airport late as possible for varieties of reason), its just not an ideal option.  But yet, SWA loyalists still call you a snob and a slave to legacy carriers.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on October 04, 2019, 09:40:56 AM

And oh the sensitive SWA fliers, yay!  Again, its a fantastic airline for the kind of traveler it caters to.  If you fly enough to have decent status and have any international travel needs (or just enjoy getting to the airport late as possible for varieties of reason), its just not an ideal option.  But yet, SWA loyalists still call you a snob and a slave to legacy carriers.

I think that's the key.  It serves a particular niche very well.  Others, not so much.  For us relocating on flexible schedules back and forth between our two domestic homes it is absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on October 04, 2019, 09:42:31 AM


And oh the sensitive SWA fliers, yay!  Again, its a fantastic airline for the kind of traveler it caters to.  If you fly enough to have decent status and have any international travel needs (or just enjoy getting to the airport late as possible for varieties of reason), its just not an ideal option.  But yet, SWA loyalists still call you a snob and a slave to legacy carriers.

Goodness, I didn't realize I would need teal.

I have never called people who don't fly SWA snobs.  It's a choice, just like anything else.  Who I do take issue with (and I have run into a number of them) are people who have never flown SWA and denigrate it based on Jay Leno jokes.  I know Chicago-area natives (mostly North Short types) who have not been to Midway in decades, and wouldn't fly out of that "filthy old place", and were surprised to learn from me that it has been completely renovated since the '80's.  It's significantly nicer than many parts of O'Hare.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 04, 2019, 09:43:27 AM
Cause when you stick to your airline for status and perks, and that airline isn't hubbed near you, every trip is a connection nightmare.  One of my friends was United 1MM by his late 20s.  Very loyal, raved about them, almost aggressively pro-United.  He moved to Charlotte for work about 5 years ago.  He lasted 2.5, once he realized the job was long term, before switching begrudgingly to American cause he missed direct flights and ease of travel on a regular basis, instead of flying to IAD/EWR/ORD for basically every flight.

And oh the sensitive SWA fliers, yay!  Again, its a fantastic airline for the kind of traveler it caters to.  If you fly enough to have decent status and have any international travel needs (or just enjoy getting to the airport late as possible for varieties of reason), its just not an ideal option.  But yet, SWA loyalists still call you a snob and a slave to legacy carriers.

That's why I don't fly out of Hartford often.  LaGuardia as big of a construction mess as it is, is only another 15 minutes more drive from my home than Hartford and always has multiple daily direct flights to where I'm going. 
Other than when I have to visit my company's big customer in Lincoln, NE which you just can't get there from anywhere not named Minneapolis or Chicago?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 04, 2019, 11:46:25 AM
I bode no ill will towards the airlines.  They are (almost all) horrible companies, run by idiots, staffed by drones and they don't care at all about customers.  ONE MUST ACCEPT THIS and find a way to get what one wants regardless of loyalty and points and miles and all of that. 

Anyone who thinks that airline "status"  will get you anything in 5-10 years is kidding themselves.

Hotels - some chains at least - are headed the same way, but you can still play it while there's a game to play. Probably 10-15 more years before the same scenario exists as exists now with air travel.  By then I'll be done traveling and won't care anymore anyway.

Brother Fan, I beg to differ. There is nothing that you want from an airline that you can't get by paying for it. Or bringing it on if it is a food matter.

The problem we have -- especially those of us who traveled in the days before the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 -- is that we have a romanticized notion of what air travel is. We oldsters remember the days when flight attendants waited on a cabin of 100 people head-to-toe in 1.5 hours between Chicago and New York. Hell, United used to have a Sud Aviation Caravelle (an early French plane similar to a DC9-10) that was all first class and all male. The flight attendants absolutely hated that flight. You can guess why!

Back in the mid-1970s, Douglas Souter, who was then an aide to Senator Kennedy, got roundly berated for spending time on airline matters. "Well never be able to afford to fly," a woman said. "That's the problem we're trying to fix," said Souter.

Before 1978, air travel was highly regulated and extremely expensive. Relatively few people could afford it and too often, it was a once in a lifetime experience. The airlines had both the revenue and the desire to make it special which, for the most part, they did.

Today, the airlines are giving people what they want. The cheap fares we cherish come with a very high price -- customer discomfort, expensive amenities (i.e., baggage fees and snack boxes) and lack of ground support due to automation. Planes are fuller because to get profit margins, airlines have to jam every possible ounce of passenger and freight on to a plane. That's what we said we wanted and the geniuses at the airlines business are giving it to us. It's how markets work!

As a side not, one of my favorite stories was a 1960s United Airlines "take me along" promotion, in which the airline did a reduced fare (with CAB approval) for husbands to take their wives on business trips. It was so rare for wives to fly that this was thought to be critical to building awareness. As a side benefit, "take me along" cut down on customer misbehavior with flight attendants on the planes.

After the trip, United sent roses to the "take me along" wives, thanking them for flying United. Not long afterward, there was a surge in divorces among United Airlines "take me along" men. True story.. want to guess why... LOL!!@!



Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on October 04, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
Goodness, I didn't realize I would need teal.

I have never called people who don't fly SWA snobs.  It's a choice, just like anything else.  Who I do take issue with (and I have run into a number of them) are people who have never flown SWA and denigrate it based on Jay Leno jokes.  I know Chicago-area natives (mostly North Short types) who have not been to Midway in decades, and wouldn't fly out of that "filthy old place", and were surprised to learn from me that it has been completely renovated since the '80's.  It's significantly nicer than many parts of O'Hare.
I have your back...totally.

SWA is the legend. Back when airlines and rates remained high due to post WW2 interstate regulation schemes....lil ol SWA flew INTRAstate within Texas only....no interstate regulation or rate problems. It was a revolution

Mainly....They were able to reduce fares so very dramatically to the point where the entire US domestic industry eventually conceded to the Reagan era airline deregulation. A key reason all air fares dropped since the 70s is the pioneering of the rate busting intrastate carrier SWA.

Admittedly, ...Other changes like SWA open seating, bags fly free, no classes, no lounges, etc have been less adopted...the rest still sell these as differentiators. Apparently even claiming a snob appeal to keeping these vintage features.

Non SWA flyers owe much to SWA for their comparatively cheap commonly used air travel today...few remember the 50s to 70s when air travel was controlled, restricted,expensive and used by a relative few....those were actually the days when all air travel was for snobs
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on October 04, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Brother Fan, I beg to differ. There is nothing that you want from an airline that you can't get by paying for it. Or bringing it on if it is a food matter.

The problem we have -- especially those of us who traveled in the days before the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 -- is that we have a romanticized notion of what air travel is. We oldsters remember the days when flight attendants waited on a cabin of 100 people head-to-toe in 1.5 hours between Chicago and New York. Hell, United used to have a Sud Aviation Caravelle (an early French plane similar to a DC9-10) that was all first class and all male. The flight attendants absolutely hated that flight. You can guess why!

Back in the mid-1970s, Douglas Souter, who was then an aide to Senator Kennedy, got roundly berated for spending time on airline matters. "Well never be able to afford to fly," a woman said. "That's the problem we're trying to fix," said Souter.

Before 1978, air travel was highly regulated and extremely expensive. Relatively few people could afford it and too often, it was a once in a lifetime experience. The airlines had both the revenue and the desire to make it special which, for the most part, they did.

Today, the airlines are giving people what they want. The cheap fares we cherish come with a very high price -- customer discomfort, expensive amenities (i.e., baggage fees and snack boxes) and lack of ground support due to automation. Planes are fuller because to get profit margins, airlines have to jam every possible ounce of passenger and freight on to a plane. That's what we said we wanted and the geniuses at the airlines business are giving it to us. It's how markets work!

As a side not, one of my favorite stories was a 1960s United Airlines "take me along" promotion, in which the airline did a reduced fare (with CAB approval) for husbands to take their wives on business trips. It was so rare for wives to fly that this was thought to be critical to building awareness. As a side benefit, "take me along" cut down on customer misbehavior with flight attendants on the planes.

After the trip, United sent roses to the "take me along" wives, thanking them for flying United. Not long afterward, there was a surge in divorces among United Airlines "take me along" men. True story.. want to guess why... LOL!!@!
Thanks for this. I was typing my prior post at the same time as you....two old farts remembering air travel before deregulation.
The early years after 1978 saw it share of upheavals, too....many airlines with multiple bankruptcies, union and pension busting, route and hub battles, etc
Its good that all now can fly...but boy it was a journey reaching this point.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 04, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
Brother Fan, I beg to differ. There is nothing that you want from an airline that you can't get by paying for it. Or bringing it on if it is a food matter.

The problem we have -- especially those of us who traveled in the days before the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 -- is that we have a romanticized notion of what air travel is. We oldsters remember the days when flight attendants waited on a cabin of 100 people head-to-toe in 1.5 hours between Chicago and New York. Hell, United used to have a Sud Aviation Caravelle (an early French plane similar to a DC9-10) that was all first class and all male. The flight attendants absolutely hated that flight. You can guess why!

Back in the mid-1970s, Douglas Souter, who was then an aide to Senator Kennedy, got roundly berated for spending time on airline matters. "Well never be able to afford to fly," a woman said. "That's the problem we're trying to fix," said Souter.

Before 1978, air travel was highly regulated and extremely expensive. Relatively few people could afford it and too often, it was a once in a lifetime experience. The airlines had both the revenue and the desire to make it special which, for the most part, they did.

Today, the airlines are giving people what they want. The cheap fares we cherish come with a very high price -- customer discomfort, expensive amenities (i.e., baggage fees and snack boxes) and lack of ground support due to automation. Planes are fuller because to get profit margins, airlines have to jam every possible ounce of passenger and freight on to a plane. That's what we said we wanted and the geniuses at the airlines business are giving it to us. It's how markets work!

As a side not, one of my favorite stories was a 1960s United Airlines "take me along" promotion, in which the airline did a reduced fare (with CAB approval) for husbands to take their wives on business trips. It was so rare for wives to fly that this was thought to be critical to building awareness. As a side benefit, "take me along" cut down on customer misbehavior with flight attendants on the planes.

After the trip, United sent roses to the "take me along" wives, thanking them for flying United. Not long afterward, there was a surge in divorces among United Airlines "take me along" men. True story.. want to guess why... LOL!!@!

Inquisitive on my birth year, I just finished reading this book.

1969: The Year Everything Changed
by Rob Kirkpatrick

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6139711-1969

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/1969-rob-kirkpatrick/1101009335#/

One of the many 1969 firsts was the first flight of the Boeing 747 which completely changed air travel going forward.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 04, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
Brother Fan, I beg to differ. There is nothing that you want from an airline that you can't get by paying for it. Or bringing it on if it is a food matter.

The problem we have -- especially those of us who traveled in the days before the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 -- is that we have a romanticized notion of what air travel is. We oldsters remember the days when flight attendants waited on a cabin of 100 people head-to-toe in 1.5 hours between Chicago and New York. Hell, United used to have a Sud Aviation Caravelle (an early French plane similar to a DC9-10) that was all first class and all male. The flight attendants absolutely hated that flight. You can guess why!

Back in the mid-1970s, Douglas Souter, who was then an aide to Senator Kennedy, got roundly berated for spending time on airline matters. "Well never be able to afford to fly," a woman said. "That's the problem we're trying to fix," said Souter.

Before 1978, air travel was highly regulated and extremely expensive. Relatively few people could afford it and too often, it was a once in a lifetime experience. The airlines had both the revenue and the desire to make it special which, for the most part, they did.

Today, the airlines are giving people what they want. The cheap fares we cherish come with a very high price -- customer discomfort, expensive amenities (i.e., baggage fees and snack boxes) and lack of ground support due to automation. Planes are fuller because to get profit margins, airlines have to jam every possible ounce of passenger and freight on to a plane. That's what we said we wanted and the geniuses at the airlines business are giving it to us. It's how markets work!

As a side not, one of my favorite stories was a 1960s United Airlines "take me along" promotion, in which the airline did a reduced fare (with CAB approval) for husbands to take their wives on business trips. It was so rare for wives to fly that this was thought to be critical to building awareness. As a side benefit, "take me along" cut down on customer misbehavior with flight attendants on the planes.

After the trip, United sent roses to the "take me along" wives, thanking them for flying United. Not long afterward, there was a surge in divorces among United Airlines "take me along" men. True story.. want to guess why... LOL!!@!
Man, I'm not THAT old!.  I only flew once before 1978, and it was from CWA to GRR on Midwest Air Commuter to go see grandma... and I will say the stewardesses doted on me, BECAUSE I WAS 6 YEARS OLD and flying alone!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 18, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
Going to Puerto Viarta in a couple weeks for a wedding, have a couple days to kill and would like to do something other than standard resort stuff. Anybody been before and have suggestions?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on October 18, 2019, 09:51:36 PM
Going to Puerto Viarta in a couple weeks for a wedding, have a couple days to kill and would like to do something other than standard resort stuff. Anybody been before and have suggestions?

Puerto Vallarta.  Rent a boat to take you whale watching or snorkeling or both.  You won’t have trouble finding one at the main beach.  Negotiate the price. Ask the operator to take you to Los Arcos.

There’s also a pretty cool zip line establishment south of Puerto Vallarta, set in the “jungle.”

Enjoy the weather.  Eternal summer.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 23, 2019, 08:30:36 AM
Portland (OR)/Vancouver (WA)

Anyone?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on October 23, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Portland (OR)/Vancouver (WA)

Anyone?

The airport in Portland is great. Solid food options. You can buy packaged beer past security. Solid coffee.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on October 24, 2019, 02:38:22 AM
Anybody have Bronx Little Italy suggestions? Looking for a sunday brunch / great lunch for this weekend.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on October 24, 2019, 06:48:32 AM
Portland (OR)/Vancouver (WA)

Anyone?

Fly there a lot. Airport is relatively close to the city. It is small and generally well done.

Unless you are in a rush, take the TriMet Maxx into the city. 25 minutes and $2.00
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 25, 2019, 09:59:22 PM
Anybody have Bronx Little Italy suggestions? Looking for a sunday brunch / great lunch for this weekend.

Google Arthur Avenue Restaurants. You'll get a list of good choices
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 01, 2019, 10:45:07 PM
Portland (OR)/Vancouver (WA)

Anyone?

If you have not gone, try a restaurant called Andina. Absolutely wonderful South American crusine. Jake's near downtown is a great steak place.

The Nines Hotel is really different. Like the restaurant and rooftop bar. Rooms are tiny and very expensive.

Lots of little nook and cranny places that are great. Try Russell Street BBQ. Really good.

Also, Powell's Books is a must-see.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 03, 2019, 05:06:16 AM
Thats an awesome route, unfortunately you're ending in Bangalore instead of Seoul or Singapore.

Uber in India is a game changer.  Extremely inexpensive, cuts through a lot of the BS.  As someone who has traveled to India a dozen times, Id caution against the Metro.  Just unpleasant, uncomfortably crowded and unhygienic, and will add nothing to your visit.  You can use Ubers all day for practically nothing.   Ill take 2-3 Ubers a day in Mumbai, stuck in traffic on 45-1 hour long trips...and still combine multiple days into a single expense line item under $25.

Singapore is incredible.  Make sure you go up to the Marina Bay Sands, get a drink at either Spago or Lavo.  Views are absolutely stunning and surreal.  Also walk around the Marina Bay mall.  Gorgeous and upscale.  Speaking of malls, the Jewel I can't recommend highly enough.  Beautiful from the outside, inside its a combination upscale mall and botanical garden.  Absolutely stunning interior with tons of amazing vegetation.  Felt like the best zoo exhibit I'd see...without the animals.

KL is supposed to be great too.  Enjoy!

Sunday afternoon and I essentially have one more day on the trip (in Bangalore) so I figured I'd give a little recap.

     The Transit Tours they offer are fantastic.  $2 for a 1-hr tour, $10 for the 5-hr and some more in-between.  I took the 5-hr tour of the Royal Palace and shopping and lunch in the old town section of Insadong.  If I understood them better I could have gone on an additional 1-hr tour of a temple.  I was supposed to be on an 8 am tour but was put on the 10 am and still had plenty of time to make my flight.  The website says to report 1/2 hour to the kiosk in the airport before and I later learned you should report 1-hr+ where they walk you past immigration with a special voucher that says "Transit Tour".  You then pay at a desk that is past immigration AND customs.  Jack the tour guide was very funny.  They call the lunch into a restaurant where you have only two choices, beef stew or vegetarian lunch and it's waiting when you get there so you have about 30-40 minutes left to market shop.  I met and chatted with people from Cincinnati (my daughter's Xavier connection), Twin Cities (my brother & sister-in-law's home), Atlanta and NYC.  I was the only one coming, everyone else going home.
     I was here only one night.  I arrived at 10:30pm and the speed train to DT Sentral Station was 25 minutes and easy, because oh yeah it's the only stop.  I booked a room at a Hilton right in the train station complex.  I went for my morning run where I thought I'd see something in KL, but found out it was all contained.  I could not literally find a way out of the train/hotel/office building & hospital complex.  Everything lead to a dead end even though I could see a Botanical Garden or other hotels out of windows.  In hindsight I should have thrown on Google Maps for directions out but this was a first.  Train did make it easy getting back to the airport.
     I don't know how to describe the very interesting mix of this town.  It's like Saint Augustine, FL as the old British fort, Fort Cornwallis and colonial buildings are at the center of town and it's surrounded by the old town neighborhood that is like 35% Malay, 30% Chinese & 30% Indian & 5% European & other SE Asian as well as Muslim, Hindu, Chinese religion, Catholic, & Protestant.  There was a few block stretch downtown where all were represented.  I recall seeing a Jewish temple also.  The city was decorated for the Indian holiday of Deepevalli on Monday.  All three food types were available.  Everyone was super friendly and the Muslim Malay taxi driver and Indian taxi driver told me the same that everything is laid back here, everyone gets along.  Taxi's were not cheap but I spoke a few times with a guy from California who comes here for work 2-3 times a year and he told me another Uber-like service called GRAB that's available in several Asian countries.  He swears by GRAB so I downloaded the App for future use.
My customer grilled me on price (as every customer does) so I was thankful for the friendliness of everyone around me to not be bothered by it.
I honestly would like to come back here on vacation.  It was super cheap.  Friendly as mentioned plus I got to see none of the other stuff the town is know for: the train up the peak for the experience and view similar to Hong Kong, the rain forest-like national park with monkeys and good swimming beaches (both the other side of peaks and hills that separate the island).
Wow!  What a modern, clean super-efficient, orderly, friendly place with the most idiot-proof MRT system I've ridden anywhere.  At times I felt it was too orderly and lacked a little chaos that makes places interesting, but everything else made up for it.  Everything from designated yellow lined smoking boxes to the queue line arrows painted on the floor of the MRT stations. I loved that they highly emphasized unique architecture.
My morning runs and Saturday excursion, got me to see all the highlighted touristy stuff in the DT Core area.  The National Museum showcased how Singapore was a trading hub since the 1200's. 
I planned to visit the Marina Sands observation deck for a beer on Friday night but I ended up going to dinner with the President & his wife of our Distributor instead.  Work called.
Can't wait to revisit here.
Only weird story - I went back to Malaysia on Thursday for a 1/2 day which is just over the Causeway to get a tour of my sister-companies' plant.  The Malays showed their graciousness once again.  On the way back, Jr.-Border-Guard-in training broke my stones because I couldn't remember my flight number out on Saturday to write on the entry card and the Singapore Air App wasn't working.  I was told by others later they were very surprised because I was an American and they never say anything against American businessman. 
     Holy Snikes, sweet mother of God!  As advised on Scoop, nothing can prepare you for India.  I'm still not sure if I'm glad this is the last stop or would have been better at the beginning. 
My morning run was around Lake Ulsoor.  The first half was dodging cars, broken sidewalks, construction, people, cess pool smells and trash.  The second half was easier as there are paths in the lake front park and were loaded with walkers and runners.  I'm still laughing at the 50-something year old guys power-walking with polo shirts and dress pants wearing matching baseball hats that read "CROSS-FIT". 
I tried to go for a walk to Cubbon Park.  I stepped around dirt poor people on the sidewalk and it turned out to be farther than I thought and I kept getting accosted by guys driving Tuk Tuks.  I finally got tired by the walk, the rising heat and me actually wanting to go for a ride in one for the experience.  I got dragged to shops instead of where he said he would take me and I ended up with souvenirs I actually had on my list (scarves, jewelry, sandalwood anything).  But there is so so many people here and continually pushing that my high tolerance and dick-ness that I often employ when traveling got over whelmed that even I gave up.  I found the Hard Rock Cafe for a breather to get my traditional classic white Tee and figured I'd just eat and go back to the hotel pool and overlook for beer and work.  I saw the HRC manager be a little arrogant yelling at two new workers, try to show off for me and when I went to get my tee, that had no classic white.  Manager said, because "he didn't order any."  Man I was disappointed.  No Bengaluru for my 50 shirt collection.
I called Uber for the ride back to the hotel.  Ride was great, but I had to get out 80% way to the Conrad as there was some religious festival parade going on and they said it might otherwise be another hour for the remaining 5 minutes.
I'm not looking forward to the ride to see my customer tomorrow.  Would be 35 minutes with Sunday traffic, but I'm told it might be 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 hr ride on Monday.
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Sorry so wordy, but what an adventure.  If there's anything weird and interesting to add from tomorrow I will including involving my 1:50 am departure Tuesday morning.  I'm told the long international flights are all at this time because the traffic is better.

Home in time for Marquette opening game!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 22, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
Anyone been around Butler in Indianapolis?  Going to the game this weekend and looking for breweries, local
favorite food.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 22, 2020, 12:07:59 PM
I bode no ill will towards the airlines.  They are (almost all) horrible companies, run by idiots, staffed by drones and they don't care at all about customers.  ONE MUST ACCEPT THIS and find a way to get what one wants regardless of loyalty and points and miles and all of that. 

Anyone who thinks that airline "status"  will get you anything in 5-10 years is kidding themselves.

Hotels - some chains at least - are headed the same way, but you can still play it while there's a game to play. Probably 10-15 more years before the same scenario exists as exists now with air travel.  By then I'll be done traveling and won't care anymore anyway.

Depends how you achieve statuses. Hundreds of nights at hotels and dozens of flights? Yeah not worth it to be loyal. Get the status through Churning a credit card, it absolutely is worth the perks.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 22, 2020, 12:13:26 PM
Anyone been around Butler in Indianapolis?  Going to the game this weekend and looking for breweries, local
favorite food.

The Broad Ripple neighborhood has brew pubs, restaurants.  About five miles from Hinkle. 
There are some good spots in Broad Ripple, Or follow College Avenue 10 blocks south to South Broad Ripple.  Places all along that road. OR there is a new bar/restaurant that just opened that is a 30 second walk to Hinkle called Chatham Tap. Locally owned.  3rd one they've opened in Indy. Get there early.  Solid beer selection, breaded tenderloin and fish and chips.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on January 22, 2020, 01:27:03 PM
The Broad Ripple neighborhood has brew pubs, restaurants.  About five miles from Hinkle. 
There are some good spots in Broad Ripple, Or follow College Avenue 10 blocks south to South Broad Ripple.  Places all along that road. OR there is a new bar/restaurant that just opened that is a 30 second walk to Hinkle called Chatham Tap. Locally owned.  3rd one they've opened in Indy. Get there early.  Solid beer selection, breaded tenderloin and fish and chips.

Broad Ripple is my favorite Ben and Jerry's flavor.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 22, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
The Broad Ripple neighborhood has brew pubs, restaurants.  About five miles from Hinkle. 
There are some good spots in Broad Ripple, Or follow College Avenue 10 blocks south to South Broad Ripple.  Places all along that road. OR there is a new bar/restaurant that just opened that is a 30 second walk to Hinkle called Chatham Tap. Locally owned.  3rd one they've opened in Indy. Get there early.  Solid beer selection, breaded tenderloin and fish and chips.

Thanks only been out downtown both times I went to Indy wanted to see more
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on January 22, 2020, 06:15:29 PM
My last time in Indy, I went to Brugge Brasserie in Broad Ripple. Excellent mussels, and a great Belgian Style beers. The owner of the place went to high school with Abe Benrubi, the actor, who is from Indy.. Random fact.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on January 22, 2020, 06:29:38 PM
Do people still leave porn mags under the mattress in hotel rooms?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on January 23, 2020, 08:17:15 PM
Looking for a long weekend with the wife, probably June-ish. Preferably within 6 hours of Kenosha.

House rental preferred, but not necessary. Stuff to do is a positive, winery, breweries, light hiking. Possibly golf, but might be frowned upon playing a solo round.

What ya got?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on January 23, 2020, 08:37:07 PM
Looking for a long weekend with the wife, probably June-ish. Preferably within 6 hours of Kenosha.

House rental preferred, but not necessary. Stuff to do is a positive, winery, breweries, light hiking. Possibly golf, but might be frowned upon playing a solo round.

What ya got?
Go to Canada. There are a ton of wineries in Canada on Lake Erie. Right around a 6 hour drive. One of the breweries in the area has something fun as well
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Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on January 24, 2020, 07:00:36 AM
Looking for a long weekend with the wife, probably June-ish. Preferably within 6 hours of Kenosha.

House rental preferred, but not necessary. Stuff to do is a positive, winery, breweries, light hiking. Possibly golf, but might be frowned upon playing a solo round.

What ya got?

Have you ever been to Galena? Has everything you mention above (plus a really cool distillery) and a lot of historical stuff . It was in the house rental business decades before AirBnB was a thing.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on January 24, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Have you ever been to Galena? Has everything you mention above (plus a really cool distillery) and a lot of historical stuff . It was in the house rental business decades before AirBnB was a thing.

I've stayed at Eagle Ridge before, but that's a good idea. Thank you.

I've actually never done Door County either, we've always been Michigan people. Continue to not to Door County?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on January 24, 2020, 08:19:46 AM
I've stayed at Eagle Ridge before, but that's a good idea. Thank you.

I've actually never done Door County either, we've always been Michigan people. Continue to not to Door County?

Door County is way cool as well.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2020, 08:34:16 AM
I've stayed at Eagle Ridge before, but that's a good idea. Thank you.

I've actually never done Door County either, we've always been Michigan people. Continue to not to Door County?

I was going to say Grand Haven/Saugatuk but it sounds like you have done that area. Door County is good.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on January 24, 2020, 08:37:14 AM
What's recommended in Door County?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 24, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
Leelanau peninsula.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on January 24, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
Leelanau peninsula.

Yeah, awesome place. Grew up there in the summers. Was thinking about going back, haven't been in 4-5 years now. Trying to figure out if I want to do nostalgia or be adventurous. Never been as an adult without kids, so there's that angle now.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on January 24, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
Looking for a long weekend with the wife, probably June-ish. Preferably within 6 hours of Kenosha.

House rental preferred, but not necessary. Stuff to do is a positive, winery, breweries, light hiking. Possibly golf, but might be frowned upon playing a solo round.

What ya got?

1) Sister Chick is right about Galena. But I'd add that Dubuque, 11 miles away, makes this especially appealing. Dubuque is finally embracing its architectural heritage. The restaurant scene has improved vastly. Still has a ways to go but an interesting city. Has gaming, which Galena lacks, in addition to water parks, boating and scenery. Full disclosure: Ms. Dgies is a Dubuque native and I've been going to both Galena and Dubuque since the 19..s (long time ago).

2) North Shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota -- Fits everything you want except, I suspect, wineries. This is the most beautiful scenery in the Midwest and it's relatively unknown outside Minnesota. The area looks like Maine's coast. Restaurant and dining scene has improved dramatically in recent years. Houses are everywhere. Also, don't ignore Duluth. In the summer, it's a hopping place. Real Chili knows the area well, as do I since it is my family's homeland.

3) Stillwater, MN -- Kind of a rustic place along the Dalles of the St. Croix River on the Wisconsin/Minnesota border. Boating is fantastic, scenery is beautiful and its very Minnesota/Wisconsin/Northswoodsy rural. Close to Minneapolis-St. Paul (45 mins) if you're bored or want that special spa.

4) Bayfield -- Very rustic, extremely woodsy but gorgeous. Should be able to play golf, canoe, enjoy wonderful scenery including the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore. Inns are wonderful and there's a very nice hotel in Ashland, nearby. Drive along Lake Superior's South Shore is very nice and it's right at six hours. Again not likely to find wineries but dining is good.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 24, 2020, 01:48:12 PM
I think early June, I'd go to Galena, late June, Door County.   Galena is going to be warmer, being 200 miles further south.

Galena is often overlooked .. but its landscape is really spectacular, in the Mississippi river basin.  I remember driving there a few years ago and asked my wife, if I'd popped her down right here, without knowing .. where would you think you were?  Answer:  Ireland.  (which was my guess too.)

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on January 28, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Aside from Wis. Dells and Lake Geneva, does anyone know of a place in Wisconsin that would minimally resemble the setting in "Great Outdoors," specifically: i) a lake suitable for boating and fishing, ii) a decent selection of nearby restaurants/supper clubs, iii) supply of modest rental cabins/cottages/vacation homes, and iv) a tolerable drive from Chicago with kids.  (Ferris wheel, go-karts and bare-assed bear not necessary.)  If not Wisconsin, what about Michigan? 

Closest I could come up with was Waupaca/King area in Wisconsin and Shelbyville/Gun Lake in Michigan.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on January 28, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
Aside from Wis. Dells and Lake Geneva, does anyone know of a place in Wisconsin that would minimally resemble the setting in "Great Outdoors," specifically: i) a lake suitable for boating and fishing, ii) a decent selection of nearby restaurants/supper clubs, iii) supply of modest rental cabins/cottages/vacation homes, and iv) a tolerable drive from Chicago with kids.  (Ferris wheel, go-karts and bare-assed bear not necessary.)  If not Wisconsin, what about Michigan? 

Closest I could come up with was Waupaca/King area in Wisconsin and Shelbyville/Gun Lake in Michigan.


Leelanau County. It’s fantastic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 28, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
Aside from Wis. Dells and Lake Geneva, does anyone know of a place in Wisconsin that would minimally resemble the setting in "Great Outdoors," specifically: i) a lake suitable for boating and fishing, ii) a decent selection of nearby restaurants/supper clubs, iii) supply of modest rental cabins/cottages/vacation homes, and iv) a tolerable drive from Chicago with kids.  (Ferris wheel, go-karts and bare-assed bear not necessary.)  If not Wisconsin, what about Michigan? 

Closest I could come up with was Waupaca/King area in Wisconsin and Shelbyville/Gun Lake in Michigan.


Phantom Lake or Lake Buelah in Mukwonago?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 28, 2020, 03:43:13 PM
Aside from Wis. Dells and Lake Geneva, does anyone know of a place in Wisconsin that would minimally resemble the setting in "Great Outdoors," specifically: i) a lake suitable for boating and fishing, ii) a decent selection of nearby restaurants/supper clubs, iii) supply of modest rental cabins/cottages/vacation homes, and iv) a tolerable drive from Chicago with kids.  (Ferris wheel, go-karts and bare-assed bear not necessary.)  If not Wisconsin, what about Michigan? 

Closest I could come up with was Waupaca/King area in Wisconsin and Shelbyville/Gun Lake in Michigan.

Landerdale Lakes off 12.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 28, 2020, 03:52:50 PM
Boyne properties.  Shanty Creek, Schuss Mountain, Bellaire.  Petoskey area.

Honestly, anywhere west of I-75 in Northern Michigan neets your criteria.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on January 28, 2020, 05:00:12 PM
Delavan lake, beaver dam lake, big cedar lake.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 28, 2020, 05:18:59 PM
I have heard Pentenwell Lake/Castle Rock Lake may fit your requirements.  Some of the others listed are too small and crowded. Can hit the Dells for a day or at night.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on January 28, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
I have heard Pentenwell Lake/Castle Rock Lake may fit your requirements.  Some of the others listed are too small and crowded. Can hit the Dells for a day or at night.

Beautiful area. 45 minutes from the dells. Has a great golf course, northern bay at castle rock in ark dale wi.  Has 7 rendition holes including tpc island hole, Augusta, oakmont church pews, bayhill, Firestone,  very fun and well managed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 20, 2020, 03:27:20 PM
Anybody got Kuala Lampur, Pnom Phenh, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh, and Hanoi recommendations/things to avoid?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 20, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
Coronavirus, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on February 20, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Coronavirus, hey?

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Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on February 20, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
Anybody got Kuala Lampur, Pnom Phenh, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh, and Hanoi recommendations/things to avoid?
Avoid chewing gum and illegal drugs in Singapore.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 20, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
Anybody got Kuala Lampur, Pnom Phenh, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh, and Hanoi recommendations/things to avoid?

Great spots. Send me a PM about Singapore if you want. Incredible place with some really cool stuff
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 21, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
Anybody got Kuala Lampur, Pnom Phenh, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh, and Hanoi recommendations/things to avoid?

Was just in KL & Singapore.

KL - I got in late, took the speed train from the airport to DT KL and my Hilton was at the Sentral Station.  I had an 11:00am flight out of KL, so did not have time to go see anything like the Petronas Towers.  I did my morning run where I generally see something, but the area around the train station is truly a maze and ended up confined and saw nothing of significance.   What I can say is the train service is very good and I wanted to ride the metro like the movie Entrapment and everything in Malaysia is super inexpensive.

Singapore - There are other alums here who have spent more time in a Singapore than me.  I would definitely say to stay in the Downtown Core area with the Garden's by the Bay, Sands Casino, waterfront walking/running trails, Fort Canning, museums all near by.  The entire city-state is a shopping mall.  Architecture is incredible in the city.  Excellent Chinese food.
Was less expensive than the USA.  Found it amusing my hotel overlooked the Fountain of Wealth.  Only in Singapore.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on February 21, 2020, 11:46:26 AM
Anybody got Kuala Lampur, Pnom Phenh, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh, and Hanoi recommendations/things to avoid?
PM me... I have lived in Singapore (twice) and know KL pretty well.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on February 21, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
Looking for a long weekend with the wife, probably June-ish. Preferably within 6 hours of Kenosha.

House rental preferred, but not necessary. Stuff to do is a positive, winery, breweries, light hiking. Possibly golf, but might be frowned upon playing a solo round.

What ya got?
Stay at Lake Arrowhead in Nekoosa.  There are several options there- all house rentals.  Arrowhead has 2 great courses, Sand Valley is 1 mile away.  You can walk/hike there (arrowhead lets non-players join you and you can walk the course in the evening - and I'm hearing Sand Valley does the same), or you can go to nearby Roch-a-cri, lake delevan, etc.  You can just walk the snowmobile trails as well... but they are so sandy in the summer it's like walking on a beach.  If you have a boat, Petenwell is 15 minutes to a good landing at devil's elbow, and arrowhead landing is right there.   You can fish or waterski on both.  Be careful on petenwell, parts are shallow... you need to know the lake or have a good map.  If the water is low, you can lose a prop on a couple of old brick silos.  PM me for some specifics if you are interested.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on February 21, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Jables1604 on February 21, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears
What part?

My girlfriend lived in Florence and we have spent significant amounts of time in both Florence and Positano on the Amalfi Coast. If either of those are your destinations I have plenty of restaurant/hotel/sightseeing recommendations.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on February 23, 2020, 01:42:35 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears

Yeah, where are you flying in out of? What do you like to do?
Great time to go though. Missing the crowds and still good weather.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 23, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears

Only been to Rome, so if you end up there my advice is that the inside of the coleseum was underwhelming especially given the line, they've cemented so much of it that it's sort of meh. Outside of it was awesome
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on February 23, 2020, 02:29:05 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears

Sent you a PM. We went October a few years ago, and it was great. Happy to share some tips with you depending on what you’re looking to do.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 23, 2020, 05:37:26 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears

Oh, I was just there in Dec/Jan.

Venice, Milan, Florence, Cinque Terra, Rome, Naples

I can make plenty of recommendations.  Just need to know where you're going.

Also, I've been to several of those places twice.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on February 23, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
Italy in October gang.

Any special thoughts. Never there so all ears

While there are lots of travel guides, my go to place for vacation info is a forum called Flyer Talk. They have boards for everything and one dedicated to Italy. Ask a question or search previous posts for a wealth of info. People that live there or are frequent visitors often will answer questions in minutes for you.
Link to Italy forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/italy-634/

My 2 cents as a multi time visitor. There are no wrong places to go (well maybe Pisa for more than 15 minutes). Pay to skip lines, especially in Rome. Pay to get a guide. Makes everything so much more interesting. Usually a guide and skipping lines go hand in hand.

And since this is a Marquette board, if you are in Rome, there is a great beer bar in Trastevere (just across the Tiber river (literally that is what Tastevere means). called Ma Che Siete Venuti A Fà. Means "what am I doing here" but more commonly known as the Football Pub. As a Marquette person, you will feel at home in this place. https://www.football-pub.com/


A general tip. You're going to too many cities. Almost everyone (myself included the first time) try to cram too many stops in one trip.  Pick a place or two and relax and enjoy just being there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on February 23, 2020, 08:00:49 PM
While there are lots of travel guides, my go to place for vacation info is a forum called Flyer Talk. They have boards for everything and one dedicated to Italy. Ask a question or search previous posts for a wealth of info. People that live there or are frequent visitors often will answer questions in minutes for you.
Link to Italy forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/italy-634/

My 2 cents as a multi time visitor. There are no wrong places to go (well maybe Pisa for more than 15 minutes). Pay to skip lines, especially in Rome. Pay to get a guide. Makes everything so much more interesting. Usually a guide and skipping lines go hand in hand.

And since this is a Marquette board, if you are in Rome, there is a great beer bar in Trastevere (just across the Tiber river (literally that is what Tastevere means). called Ma Che Siete Venuti A Fà. Means "what am I doing here" but more commonly known as the Football Pub. As a Marquette person, you will feel at home in this place. https://www.football-pub.com/


A general tip. You're going to too many cities. Almost everyone (myself included the first time) try to cram too many stops in one trip.  Pick a place or two and relax and enjoy just being there.

pbi,

chick and I are heading to a Med Cruise in 9/2021 embarking from Rome.  We'll fly in at least a couple days before.  We'll talk (outside scoop) as we get to the planning stage later this year.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on February 23, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
pbi,

chick and I are heading to a Med Cruise in 9/2021 embarking from Rome.  We'll fly in at least a couple days before.  We'll talk (outside scoop) as we get to the planning stage later this year.
We can chat Saturday!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 23, 2020, 10:59:03 PM
While there are lots of travel guides, my go to place for vacation info is a forum called Flyer Talk. They have boards for everything and one dedicated to Italy. Ask a question or search previous posts for a wealth of info. People that live there or are frequent visitors often will answer questions in minutes for you.
Link to Italy forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/italy-634/

My 2 cents as a multi time visitor. There are no wrong places to go (well maybe Pisa for more than 15 minutes). Pay to skip lines, especially in Rome. Pay to get a guide. Makes everything so much more interesting. Usually a guide and skipping lines go hand in hand.

And since this is a Marquette board, if you are in Rome, there is a great beer bar in Trastevere (just across the Tiber river (literally that is what Tastevere means). called Ma Che Siete Venuti A Fà. Means "what am I doing here" but more commonly known as the Football Pub. As a Marquette person, you will feel at home in this place. https://www.football-pub.com/


A general tip. You're going to too many cities. Almost everyone (myself included the first time) try to cram too many stops in one trip.  Pick a place or two and relax and enjoy just being there.

Generally, I disagree.  You may have been more than a few times, but most people take trips like these once in a lifetime.  Three to Four days in most of these cities is more than enough.
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Post by: pbiflyer on February 24, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
Generally, I disagree.  You may have been more than a few times, but most people take trips like these once in a lifetime.  Three to Four days in most of these cities is more than enough.

Fair enough. I was really thinking of those folks that try and do 4 cities in a week. They spend way too much time traveling between cities checking in and out of hotels. 2 places per week is a nice pace, I agree.
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Post by: Hards Alumni on February 24, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Fair enough. I was really thinking of those folks that try and do 4 cities in a week. They spend way too much time traveling between cities checking in and out of hotels. 2 places per week is a nice pace, I agree.

I guess I was making assumptions as well.  I don't know how long he is going to be there.

FWIW, I'd skip Milan because overall, it is kind of a boring city.  Cathedral is cool, couple of nice pieces of art... but then what?  Spend all day at the Sforzesco Castle?  Check out the massive  Cimitero Monumentale?  We sort of ran out of things to do.  One thing I did like was that it was a large diverse modern city... but that isn't why I would go visit... that is more a QoL thing for me.  Great metro and aperitivo culture were great too.

Personally, I liked Naples the best of the places we went in Dec/Jan.  With Naples, you get the city (not a ton to do in fairness, and it is very dirty... but great pizza!), Capri, Herculaneum and Pompeii, Mt. Vesuvius, PLUS Sorrento and the Amalfi coast are a short car/boat ride away. 
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Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2020, 10:28:25 AM
There are no wrong places to go (well maybe Pisa for more than 15 minutes).

Cant emphasize this enough.  Went to Italy a number of years ago for the eldest of my younger sisters' college graduations.  Were in Florence but for some reason, flights to London (our hub for getting back to the US) were insane, so we found good fares out of Pisa which was a quick 50 min train ride away.  Thought we could check off another "famous" Italian spot as we did so we planned a full day there.  Talk about disappointment.  City was basically a dump, the Tower was tremendously underhwelming, and the Duomo was under heavy restoration so it was covered in scaffolding.  Was pleasantly surprised by the cuisine and we had a nice lunch and a fantastic early dinner, but otherwise, my feelings on Pisa are not kind.

Oh, don't get me started on Galileo Galilei Airport.  The airport design and operations may have been designed by Galileo himself, lack of knowledge about the invention of flight 250 years after his death included.

I guess I was making assumptions as well.  I don't know how long he is going to be there.

FWIW, I'd skip Milan because overall, it is kind of a boring city.  Cathedral is cool, couple of nice pieces of art... but then what?  Spend all day at the Sforzesco Castle?  Check out the massive  Cimitero Monumentale?  We sort of ran out of things to do.  One thing I did like was that it was a large diverse modern city... but that isn't why I would go visit... that is more a QoL thing for me.  Great metro and aperitivo culture were great too.

Personally, I liked Naples the best of the places we went in Dec/Jan.  With Naples, you get the city (not a ton to do in fairness, and it is very dirty... but great pizza!), Capri, Herculaneum and Pompeii, Mt. Vesuvius, PLUS Sorrento and the Amalfi coast are a short car/boat ride away. 

Milan is a cool cosmipolitan city, but for sight seeing/history, I agree.  It feels more like NYC compared to the other great Italian cities that have modern and historical seamlessly blended.

Did you like Naples or Naples as a central point for those other places?  Cause its so dirty it makes Rome look clean and everyone I spoke to, locals in Amalfi or otherwise, didn't downplay its reputation for pickpocketing and other petty crime.  I saw a purse snatched at the train station at 2 in the afternoon on a Saturday that was so blatant I thought it was a movie being filmed.
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Post by: Hards Alumni on February 24, 2020, 11:40:01 AM
Cant emphasize this enough.  Went to Italy a number of years ago for the eldest of my younger sisters' college graduations.  Were in Florence but for some reason, flights to London (our hub for getting back to the US) were insane, so we found good fares out of Pisa which was a quick 50 min train ride away.  Thought we could check off another "famous" Italian spot as we did so we planned a full day there.  Talk about disappointment.  City was basically a dump, the Tower was tremendously underhwelming, and the Duomo was under heavy restoration so it was covered in scaffolding.  Was pleasantly surprised by the cuisine and we had a nice lunch and a fantastic early dinner, but otherwise, my feelings on Pisa are not kind.

Oh, don't get me started on Galileo Galilei Airport.  The airport design and operations may have been designed by Galileo himself, lack of knowledge about the invention of flight 250 years after his death included.

Milan is a cool cosmipolitan city, but for sight seeing/history, I agree.  It feels more like NYC compared to the other great Italian cities that have modern and historical seamlessly blended.

Did you like Naples or Naples as a central point for those other places?  Cause its so dirty it makes Rome look clean and everyone I spoke to, locals in Amalfi or otherwise, didn't downplay its reputation for pickpocketing and other petty crime.  I saw a purse snatched at the train station at 2 in the afternoon on a Saturday that was so blatant I thought it was a movie being filmed.

More as a central point, but I did enjoy the city.  If they can figure out their litter problem it could be a much better place to visit on its own.  FWIW, I saw zero crime, but we stayed down by the Caste dell'Ovo right along the water.  Having said that, we comfortably walked around the entire central city, even at night through some questionable neighborhoods, and we were never bothered.  Walking with purpose and confidence is usually the key... not stopping and checking your phone every half block, and not looking all over the place like a lost child will keep you safe almost anywhere.  If you have to stop, duck into a store and have a look around and then check your phone before you leave. 

One interesting story was that My FIL did get hit by a car while we waited for pizza at L'Antica Pizzeria Da Michele... luckily just the side mirror caught his side, and he was fine.. but the locals around us FLIPPED OUT at the car driver.  One flaw while we were there was that the Metro wasn't functional, and being massively expanded.  So we had to taxi... which was harrowing.  They drive like absolute maniacs, and traffic signs, and lanes are mere suggestions.  Having driven in France, Netherlands, Germany, I would NEVER consider driving in Italy.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2020, 11:59:33 AM
New Orleans for a Bachelor Party. Suggestions?
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Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2020, 12:11:45 PM
More as a central point, but I did enjoy the city.  If they can figure out their litter problem it could be a much better place to visit on its own.  FWIW, I saw zero crime, but we stayed down by the Caste dell'Ovo right along the water.  Having said that, we comfortably walked around the entire central city, even at night through some questionable neighborhoods, and we were never bothered.  Walking with purpose and confidence is usually the key... not stopping and checking your phone every half block, and not looking all over the place like a lost child will keep you safe almost anywhere.  If you have to stop, duck into a store and have a look around and then check your phone before you leave. 

Makes sense.  And I didn't personally feel worried.  Ive traveled enough, in far dicier places in Asia or Mexico or Athens, to always keep my head on a swivel and actively avoid looking like a tourist.  Hell, years ago, before I travelled 100K+ miles a year for work, I remember visiting London for the first time and taking pictures of maps on my phone because I knew I wouldn't have to look at a physical map.  That was as much for pride as it was for safety.  Its just something I keep in mind when I recommend places for less experienced travelers.

New Orleans for a Bachelor Party. Suggestions?

Abso-fricken-lutely.  By happenstance, I had 2 BPs there within a year and change.  One we rented a house in Marigny, which is the neighborhood just east of the French Quarter, and the other we stayed near the casino.  Both were walking distance which was key.

Biggest reco for me, rent a balcony on Bourbon St.  Variety of companies and ways to do it.  We got one for 3-4 hours one night.  Its basically a big open space with a bar and your own private balcony.  Ours was combo BYOB and stocked, with a bartender.  Amazing way to drink, hang out, observe the street, etc...  We had 10 guys, space for probably 40 people up there, so we ended up inviting people we met up and having a mini party.  Great time.

One of the trips, we did a airboat bayou tour.  That was awesome, saw a bunch of gators, heard some cool stories from a great Cajun tour guide, beat the summer heat in NO and got away from the hustle and bustle for a few hours.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 24, 2020, 06:34:04 PM
Anyone have any input on Sandals resorts in the Caribbean? We are currently shopping for our honeymoon in September and am curious to see some firsthand reviews.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Jables1604 on February 24, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
New Orleans for a Bachelor Party. Suggestions?
Don’t answer any questions without counsel.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 24, 2020, 08:44:35 PM
Anyone have any input on Sandals resorts in the Caribbean? We are currently shopping for our honeymoon in September and am curious to see some firsthand reviews.

Don't?

But for real, where are you looking?
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Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 24, 2020, 08:46:03 PM
Anyone have any input on Sandals resorts in the Caribbean? We are currently shopping for our honeymoon in September and am curious to see some firsthand reviews.

Check out Hedonism II.  Can pack light.
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Post by: Benny B on February 24, 2020, 10:56:00 PM
Anyone have any input on Sandals resorts in the Caribbean? We are currently shopping for our honeymoon in September and am curious to see some firsthand reviews.

The only one I can recommend is Sandals Whitehouse Jamaica (it’s been renamed something else by now, I’m sure).  It was spectacular as far as all-inclusives go, but the bus ride from MB is about 2-3 hours.  Also, we were there in 2008, i.e. one year after its grand opening.  So YMMV.

Sandals - in general - isn’t horrible.  People give them a bad rap for being greedy and overcharging the customer, but guess what... that’s also true if THE ENTIRE TOURISM INDUSTRY.  Most people who enjoy all-inclusives will enjoy Sandals.  Anything can go wrong at any time while you’re on vacation... if you’re worried about a bad experience, the question to ask yourself is which operator is more likely to help you out of a disaster should it arise... the awesome boutique place ran by the hot lady with big tits, or the multi-million dollar corporation with resources and connections around the world?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 25, 2020, 12:24:53 AM
Thanks for the info. We’re looking at Caribbean for honeymoon in September. We’ve never traveled there. Budget about $5k for 5 nights. A lower range sandals room is right there but doesn’t leave much room for other activities so I’ve been looking elsewhere. Curious what other places people have been there for all-inclusive.
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Post by: Retire0 on February 25, 2020, 05:45:44 AM
Thanks for the info. We’re looking at Caribbean for honeymoon in September. We’ve never traveled there. Budget about $5k for 5 nights. A lower range sandals room is right there but doesn’t leave much room for other activities so I’ve been looking elsewhere. Curious what other places people have been there for all-inclusive.

For five days, keep it easy. Direct flight into Cancun, stay at one of the newer all-inclusive a north of the city.
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Post by: reinko on February 25, 2020, 06:00:51 AM
Thanks for the info. We’re looking at Caribbean for honeymoon in September. We’ve never traveled there. Budget about $5k for 5 nights. A lower range sandals room is right there but doesn’t leave much room for other activities so I’ve been looking elsewhere. Curious what other places people have been there for all-inclusive.

Checkout Iberostar Grand properties, they are top tier, adults only, generally a bit smaller with better food and drinks, butler service in your room...many include golf too.  We stayed at the Grand Bavaro in Punta Cana, and it was fantastic.

PM for details.
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Post by: MUWarrior2007 on February 25, 2020, 08:29:44 AM
Checkout Iberostar Grand properties, they are top tier, adults only, generally a bit smaller with better food and drinks, butler service in your room...many include golf too.  We stayed at the Grand Bavaro in Punta Cana, and it was fantastic.

PM for details.

Second this.  My wife and I did our honeymoon at Iberostar Grand Bavaro in Punta Cana.  Great resort, great amenities.  Highly recommend.
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Post by: Retire0 on February 25, 2020, 08:50:39 AM
Big fan of the Excellence Resorts.

https://www.excellenceresorts.com/
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Post by: Benny B on February 25, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
For five days, keep it easy. Direct flight into Cancun, stay at one of the newer all-inclusive a north of the city.

Or you can stay anywhere else in the world and not have your drink diluted with methanol.
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Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 25, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
We did sandals in st lucia years ago.  It was nice.  Food was average but not bad for being on a small island.  The local beer was good.

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Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 25, 2020, 11:15:52 AM
thanks for the suggestions
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Post by: Retire0 on February 25, 2020, 11:19:58 AM
Or you can stay anywhere else in the world and not have your drink diluted with methanol.

Uhh, that's the good stuff.

For a shorter trip, why spend more than half a day traveling? Direct 3.5-4 hours into Cancun or Cabo, on the beach in 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on February 25, 2020, 02:15:53 PM
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding.  Chick and I are well traveled throughout the Caribbean although it's been years since we did all-inclusive.  Make sure that's what you want to do and research the various AI brands.  Personally, we went to Cancun for our honeymoon many years ago.  I remember thinking it was so exotic because it was my first time outside the country with the exception of Canada.

Agree that for 5 days you want air travel to be efficient, which means US based jet only service.  But I'm going to encourage you to dig just a bit deeper than the standard Mexico or Jamaica all-inclusive if you are a touch more adventurous.  Two easy access air destinations I'll point to are St. Thomas via STT and St. Maarten via SXM.  If a little research of those places and something slightly more exotic like that floats your boat after some reading let me know.  I can make some suggestions.

You may also consider a 5-6 day cruise on a variety of lines.  It's wonderful to hop a beautiful ship in Florida and sail away to some really nice cruiseport destinations.  And you'd be hard pressed to spend your budget even on a very nice line with a beautiful cabin even including your excursion and bar bill.  Plus it would give you a sampling of places to visit on future land based vacations.

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Post by: jsglow on February 25, 2020, 02:28:16 PM
Makes sense.  And I didn't personally feel worried.  Ive traveled enough, in far dicier places in Asia or Mexico or Athens, to always keep my head on a swivel and actively avoid looking like a tourist.  Hell, years ago, before I travelled 100K+ miles a year for work, I remember visiting London for the first time and taking pictures of maps on my phone because I knew I wouldn't have to look at a physical map.  That was as much for pride as it was for safety.  Its just something I keep in mind when I recommend places for less experienced travelers.

Abso-fricken-lutely.  By happenstance, I had 2 BPs there within a year and change.  One we rented a house in Marigny, which is the neighborhood just east of the French Quarter, and the other we stayed near the casino.  Both were walking distance which was key.

Biggest reco for me, rent a balcony on Bourbon St.  Variety of companies and ways to do it.  We got one for 3-4 hours one night.  Its basically a big open space with a bar and your own private balcony.  Ours was combo BYOB and stocked, with a bartender.  Amazing way to drink, hang out, observe the street, etc...  We had 10 guys, space for probably 40 people up there, so we ended up inviting people we met up and having a mini party.  Great time.

One of the trips, we did a airboat bayou tour.  That was awesome, saw a bunch of gators, heard some cool stories from a great Cajun tour guide, beat the summer heat in NO and got away from the hustle and bustle for a few hours.

Chick and I stay in Marigny nearly every year.  Love it.
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Post by: pbiflyer on February 25, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
Chick and I stay in Marigny nearly every year.  Love it.

Uber to Vaughan's in the Bywater District for a true New Orleans dive bar experience.
They are cracking down on AirBnB type places in the Marigny district. May be harder soon.
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Post by: warriorchick on February 26, 2020, 07:01:13 AM
Uber to Vaughan's in the Bywater District for a true New Orleans dive bar experience.
They are cracking down on AirBnB type places in the Marigny district. May be harder soon.

Yep.  Our proprietor ended up having to sell one of her two places.  It's a shame.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on February 26, 2020, 07:55:20 AM
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding.  Chick and I are well traveled throughout the Caribbean although it's been years since we did all-inclusive.  Make sure that's what you want to do and research the various AI brands.  Personally, we went to Cancun for our honeymoon many years ago.  I remember thinking it was so exotic because it was my first time outside the country with the exception of Canada.

Agree that for 5 days you want air travel to be efficient, which means US based jet only service.  But I'm going to encourage you to dig just a bit deeper than the standard Mexico or Jamaica all-inclusive if you are a touch more adventurous.  Two easy access air destinations I'll point to are St. Thomas via STT and St. Maarten via SXM.  If a little research of those places and something slightly more exotic like that floats your boat after some reading let me know.  I can make some suggestions.

You may also consider a 5-6 day cruise on a variety of lines.  It's wonderful to hop a beautiful ship in Florida and sail away to some really nice cruiseport destinations.  And you'd be hard pressed to spend your budget even on a very nice line with a beautiful cabin even including your excursion and bar bill.  Plus it would give you a sampling of places to visit on future land based vacations.

Glow, I'm not a big fan of St. Thomas. Had some really bad experiences there. The USVI is way too touristy and it has its problems. If you're going that way, I'd do the BVI instead.

I'm also not a big fan of AI. When I go to someplace like Cabo San Lucas (which I love), I want to get into the community and find neat little bars, restaurants and artistic shops. We've done that in Mexico a lot (before we settled on a second home in Florida). AI takes away some of the incentive for going to local spots.

And for the Italy discussion, we're going to be there for 12 days. My wife and I done the "do all you can do" tours of Europe in our lives before and I agree that they can be exhausting and you tend to miss things that are just under the surface. Our current thought is, land in Rome and recover from jet lag there. Go to Florence and Tuscany and, if time permits, the Amalfi Coast. We acknowledge that's an awful lot and we probably will cut back somewhat. We'll fly back via Rome, her to Florida and me to Chicago.
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Post by: jsglow on February 26, 2020, 10:01:56 AM
Glow, I'm not a big fan of St. Thomas. Had some really bad experiences there. The USVI is way too touristy and it has its problems. If you're going that way, I'd do the BVI instead.

I'm also not a big fan of AI. When I go to someplace like Cabo San Lucas (which I love), I want to get into the community and find neat little bars, restaurants and artistic shops. We've done that in Mexico a lot (before we settled on a second home in Florida). AI takes away some of the incentive for going to local spots.

And for the Italy discussion, we're going to be there for 12 days. My wife and I done the "do all you can do" tours of Europe in our lives before and I agree that they can be exhausting and you tend to miss things that are just under the surface. Our current thought is, land in Rome and recover from jet lag there. Go to Florence and Tuscany and, if time permits, the Amalfi Coast. We acknowledge that's an awful lot and we probably will cut back somewhat. We'll fly back via Rome, her to Florida and me to Chicago.

I 100% agree.  But I'm trying to give CW some 'easy' choices for a 5 dayer.  Flying into EIS is a little trickier and for that short a trip I'd hate to fly, then ferry.
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Post by: Benny B on February 26, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Glow, I'm not a big fan of St. Thomas. Had some really bad experiences there. The USVI is way too touristy and it has its problems. If you're going that way, I'd do the BVI instead.

All else equal, don't underestimate the benefit of having the American justice system at your back.  Obviously, it doesn't immunize you to crime and/or getting screwed over, but realistically, the prospect of recourse is a lot stronger for a US citizen in a US territory than it is elsewhere.
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Post by: warriorchick on February 26, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
On many of the islands, you can get a really beautiful AirBnB for a fraction of the price of a resort. There's more planning involved as far as where you are going to eat, what beach you are going to hang out on, etc. but IMO that is part of the fun.  You are also not paying for activities or amenities that you don't plan on using.
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Post by: dgies9156 on February 26, 2020, 01:13:10 PM
All else equal, don't underestimate the benefit of having the American justice system at your back.  Obviously, it doesn't immunize you to crime and/or getting screwed over, but realistically, the prospect of recourse is a lot stronger for a US citizen in a US territory than it is elsewhere.

Brother Benny:

What exactly do you do on vacation that you have to worry about this stuff?

LOL!!!!!

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Post by: warriorchick on February 26, 2020, 01:27:31 PM
Brother Benny:

What exactly do you do on vacation that you have to worry about this stuff?

LOL!!!!!

You have apparently never been to the BVIs during their famous "Full Moon" parties.
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Post by: jsglow on February 26, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
Here's the other thing CW.  For the top dozen Caribbean destinations they are TOTALLY used to dealing with Americans.  So stuff like currency, language, etc. aren't a barrier at all.  It's not quite 'just like going to Wisconsin' as they say in Stripes but honestly it's no problem at all.  Culturally they are not all the same and chick and I definitely have our favorites and our not so favorites.  Broadly speaking we probably enjoy those with a French affiliation and culture most.  But dgies is correct that the BVIs are simply spectacular.  On our very short bucket list are the Grenadines.  That's a tougher get to, especially to the archipelago islands and cays away from Grenada itself.

I guess what I'm saying is be comfortable if you choose to expand your horizons a little beyond the AIs.
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Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 27, 2020, 01:21:42 PM
Great suggestions. Travel Agent has been recommending a few couples resorts on 7 mile beach in Negril, Jamaica. Fits the budget perfectly and gives us a free day for an extended honeymoon. Definitely favoring all-inclusive as we have a little bit of travel for the actual wedding (where we live v where family lives) so we don't want to plan on anything. Any input on 7 mile beach?
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Post by: jsglow on February 27, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Negril is by far the nicest place on the island.
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Post by: drewm88 on February 27, 2020, 03:35:37 PM
Last minute, anyone have recommendations for Lima or Cusco/Aguas Calientes/Machu Picchu? My time is basically filled short of some evenings but can't miss a chance to call on the Scoop hive mind.
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Post by: reinko on February 27, 2020, 04:27:42 PM
Great suggestions. Travel Agent has been recommending a few couples resorts on 7 mile beach in Negril, Jamaica. Fits the budget perfectly and gives us a free day for an extended honeymoon. Definitely favoring all-inclusive as we have a little bit of travel for the actual wedding (where we live v where family lives) so we don't want to plan on anything. Any input on 7 mile beach?

Stunning, but the drive from MoBay is no bueno.  Only like like 45 miles, but can take over two hours.  Spring for private transportation.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 27, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Somewhat off topic, but on topic...

With the coronavirius impact, I wonder how the airlines/hotels are going to respond. Obviously the stock market has been pummeled, but travel and leisure stocks especially have been taken to the woodshed.

I'm curious if companies will make 2020 an exception for elite status, I realize that's probably the least of anyone's concerns right now (rightfully so), but I can see all types of unintended consequences happening here for the travel industry. I know there's a lot of folks on here who travel internationally regularly for their jobs, and I'd be curious if you can't fly for a quarter/half the year to those destinations, you're probably going to have a tough time hitting certain status levels.

I understand this post isn't for everyone here looking for travel advice, but I think it's going to be interesting to see how travel companies respond.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Benny B on February 27, 2020, 05:12:51 PM
Brother Benny:

What exactly do you do on vacation that you have to worry about this stuff?

LOL!!!!!

It's not what I do, it's what I don't do..... and that is I don't get screwed over by the locals.

Trust me, it doesn't matter where you are, in every tourist area in the entire world, the #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5 goal of the locals is to extract maximum value from every tourist, and the more "foreign" you are, the greater the probability they will resort to illegal/unethical means to do so.
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Post by: JWags85 on February 27, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Somewhat off topic, but on topic...

With the coronavirius impact, I wonder how the airlines/hotels are going to respond. Obviously the stock market has been pummeled, but travel and leisure stocks especially have been taken to the woodshed.

I'm curious if companies will make 2020 an exception for elite status, I realize that's probably the least of anyone's concerns right now (rightfully so), but I can see all types of unintended consequences happening here for the travel industry. I know there's a lot of folks on here who travel internationally regularly for their jobs, and I'd be curious if you can't fly for a quarter/half the year to those destinations, you're probably going to have a tough time hitting certain status levels.

I understand this post isn't for everyone here looking for travel advice, but I think it's going to be interesting to see how travel companies respond.

I'd be shocked to be honest.  I'm a bit jaded, but I think airlines are actively trying to rid themselves of the burden of status'd fliers, that aren't the Global Services types.  You used to be able to get the status based on miles, then they factored in spend, and now its more spend dependent than anything.  They would rather have the Apple Executive who flies business class to China 2-3x a year at $8-10K a pop round trip, than someone who flies 125K miles in economy.  This slowdown is hurting the latter.  I fly close to 120K miles a year and this year, 2 months in, I've flown only back and forth to NY a few times and I don't see March being any different.

I already had pretty much given up on reaching 1K for next year with United as the threshold rising to $18K, a full 50% increase over 2 years, puts it pretty much out of reach when I STRAINED to get $15K last year.  But if I'm not going back and forth to Asia much, its likely a moot point.

I think the hotels are a different story.  I read something about Marriott making concessions for Chinese customers when it initially broke out.  But I never have elite status with the hotel chains, so I can't speak to that.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 27, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
Great suggestions. Travel Agent has been recommending a few couples resorts on 7 mile beach in Negril, Jamaica. Fits the budget perfectly and gives us a free day for an extended honeymoon. Definitely favoring all-inclusive as we have a little bit of travel for the actual wedding (where we live v where family lives) so we don't want to plan on anything. Any input on 7 mile beach?

I knew you'd come around to Hedo.  Well done, lad.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on February 28, 2020, 08:32:55 AM
Somewhat off topic, but on topic...

With the coronavirius impact, I wonder how the airlines/hotels are going to respond. Obviously the stock market has been pummeled, but travel and leisure stocks especially have been taken to the woodshed.

I'm curious if companies will make 2020 an exception for elite status, I realize that's probably the least of anyone's concerns right now (rightfully so), but I can see all types of unintended consequences happening here for the travel industry. I know there's a lot of folks on here who travel internationally regularly for their jobs, and I'd be curious if you can't fly for a quarter/half the year to those destinations, you're probably going to have a tough time hitting certain status levels.

I understand this post isn't for everyone here looking for travel advice, but I think it's going to be interesting to see how travel companies respond.

I'll just do a different twist on this Dish.  I'm expecting vacation companies (let's take cruise lines as an example) to have to discount their product.  I, for one, can't wait to take my $39 737 MAX flight to my $299 week-long cruise.

I mean seriously.  Princess is going to have to take the Diamond out to the middle of the Pacific and scuttle it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on February 28, 2020, 08:48:11 AM
Gonna be a rough go for Tom Wamsgans for awhile.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 28, 2020, 09:03:16 AM
I'll just do a different twist on this Dish.  I'm expecting vacation companies (let's take cruise lines as an example) to have to discount their product.  I, for one, can't wait to take my $39 737 MAX flight to my $299 week-long cruise.

I mean seriously.  Princess is going to have to take the Diamond out to the middle of the Pacific and scuttle it.

This I can agree with.  Cruise lines, travel/charter groups, I would expect to see a lot of mailers from Vegas offering cheap options.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 28, 2020, 09:50:09 AM
My wife's high school where she teaches, April break trip to Japan was cancelled this week.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on February 28, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
I'd be shocked to be honest.  I'm a bit jaded, but I think airlines are actively trying to rid themselves of the burden of status'd fliers, that aren't the Global Services types.  You used to be able to get the status based on miles, then they factored in spend, and now its more spend dependent than anything.  They would rather have the Apple Executive who flies business class to China 2-3x a year at $8-10K a pop round trip, than someone who flies 125K miles in economy. 

Brother Wags:

I read somewhere that there are something like 500,000 1Ks worldwide on United. It seems ridiculous but very possible. When I first made 1K, it was a very elite status and there were comparatively few people who made that level. The perks for being a 1K at the time were huge. Now, anything they offer will dilute the brand.

I've done four trips this year and I'm about a third of the way there. All domestic but, at my level in my firm, I am guaranteed first class. That's where the points come in.

United is catching a lot of flack from 1Ks who make it on miles but low spends. But there are two things to note. First, I'm not sure I care if I have 1K status anymore, as long as I can still fly first. There's just not that many perks to 1K as it exists today, which is why Global Services was created. Second, I suspect that the real reason United is getting tougher is to put more value back in the 1K status.

Ultimately, too many of us are UDPs -- Unprofitable Domestic Passengers. United reminds us of that status with its often crappy service.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on February 29, 2020, 08:08:08 AM
Somewhat off topic, but on topic...

With the coronavirius impact, I wonder how the airlines/hotels are going to respond. Obviously the stock market has been pummeled, but travel and leisure stocks especially have been taken to the woodshed.

I'm curious if companies will make 2020 an exception for elite status, I realize that's probably the least of anyone's concerns right now (rightfully so), but I can see all types of unintended consequences happening here for the travel industry. I know there's a lot of folks on here who travel internationally regularly for their jobs, and I'd be curious if you can't fly for a quarter/half the year to those destinations, you're probably going to have a tough time hitting certain status levels.

I understand this post isn't for everyone here looking for travel advice, but I think it's going to be interesting to see how travel companies respond.
I have spent nearly every day since Feb 6th in hotels in Russia, Dubai and Indonesia.  Occupancy is down and prices are going down.  Flights have been less full than normal, but I expect capacity to be reduced rapidly so the remaining flights will be full.  I don't expect any airline or hotel chain to offer any charity... they see this as an opportunity for long term cost reduction. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 01, 2020, 12:49:49 AM
United is catching a lot of flack from 1Ks who make it on miles but low spends. But there are two things to note. First, I'm not sure I care if I have 1K status anymore, as long as I can still fly first. There's just not that many perks to 1K as it exists today, which is why Global Services was created. Second, I suspect that the real reason United is getting tougher is to put more value back in the 1K status.

Ultimately, too many of us are UDPs -- Unprofitable Domestic Passengers. United reminds us of that status with its often crappy service.

Cant disagree with you.  Honestly, the only value left, for me, in 1K is my global upgrades, given the long haul trips I take fairly often to India and SE Asia where I don’t have a paid business class seat.  Even with that, they are getting notoriously crappy with that. I flew to Frankfurt late last year and put in an upgrade knowing I’d have a surplus come EOY. At time of boarding, there was 2 open Premium Plus seats, and 4 open business class seats. I was 2nd on the upgrade list.  I was boarded and in my seat and they came to pull me out and upgrade me. Great I got the seat, but what a joke, clearly trying to squeeze every last penny out without respect for service.

Save for that, having Gold is just fine as it gets you the Star Alliance perks and lounge access when traveling abroad.  Otherwise you can get a checked bag with the CC and most other perks are negligible, and their new mileage devaluation further de-incentivizes loyalty.

Heck, it’s not even UDP, the last few years you could regularly get RT economy fares to Hong Kong/Shanghai/Beijing for $800-$1000. Could easily rack up a lot of miles with not a ton of meaningful spend by their standards. The game has changed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 09, 2020, 09:23:05 PM
Vegas tomorrow, haven’t been in five years, anything new?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 10, 2020, 01:07:11 AM
Vegas tomorrow, haven’t been in five years, anything new?

Legal weed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 10, 2020, 04:01:21 AM
Take a can of Lysol and spray down da bed reel well. Viruses 🦠 are a bitch, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 10, 2020, 07:04:12 AM
Vegas tomorrow, haven’t been in five years, anything new?

East Fremont. Lots of cool bars and music venues.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 10, 2020, 07:29:22 AM
Vegas tomorrow, haven’t been in five years, anything new?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47811.msg735721#msg735721
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Vegas tomorrow, haven’t been in five years, anything new?

WCC Championship, Orleans Arena.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 10, 2020, 10:20:10 AM
On my way to DC tomorrow. Last time I checked, I'm tougher and meaner than the CoronaVirus.

Not letting a little bug get in the way of making money!!!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 10, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
WCC Championship, Orleans Arena.

Yeah leaning toward that.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 13, 2020, 08:44:34 AM
Left Vegas a day early. Wasn't dead, but a noticeable drop off in crowds no doubt.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 13, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Left Vegas a day early. Wasn't dead, but a noticeable drop off in crowds no doubt.

Just curious, were the casinos dead? I can see either scenario...people being scared to go and be at a blackjack table next to other people, or people bored out of their mind and hitting the casinos more.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on March 13, 2020, 01:19:17 PM
Likely going to be in LA in two weeks. Anyone have any good ideas of things to do outside?

Not really sure how to spend 3-4 days. Going to do a lot of hiking, maybe Santa Monica Pier, beaches, etc.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 13, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
Just curious, were the casinos dead? I can see either scenario...people being scared to go and be at a blackjack table next to other people, or people bored out of their mind and hitting the casinos more.

Not dead, not empty seats everywhere. I went to the Sportsbook at Caesars to bet some Wednesday action, there were 6 dudes in there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 14, 2020, 07:29:12 PM
Likely going to be in LA in two weeks. Anyone have any good ideas of things to do outside?

Not really sure how to spend 3-4 days. Going to do a lot of hiking, maybe Santa Monica Pier, beaches, etc.




Hang out on Wilshire and Rodeo. Watch da young ladies and grab a Go Greek, hey?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 14, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
My parents got on a cruise last Friday in Buenos Aires against all of my warnings... It was supposed to be a month long, and it has been cancelled after going 1/4 the trip.  They have now been told they can't dock in Argentina at all.  So they're hoping for Chile.  Who knows when they'll be able to go ashore.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: forgetful on March 15, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
My parents got on a cruise last Friday in Buenos Aires against all of my warnings... It was supposed to be a month long, and it has been cancelled after going 1/4 the trip.  They have now been told they can't dock in Argentina at all.  So they're hoping for Chile.  Who knows when they'll be able to go ashore.

If there are no cases on board, maybe chillin' on the cruise ship is actually safer. Isolated from the rest of the world.

If there is a case on board, it is one of the worst places to be.

Hope all works out best for your parents.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
If there are no cases on board, maybe chillin' on the cruise ship is actually safer. Isolated from the rest of the world.

If there is a case on board, it is one of the worst places to be.

Hope all works out best for your parents.

Can't dock in Chile either, they're anchored a mile off shore near Punta Arenas... so the end of the world.  So far, no one appears to be sick.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 16, 2020, 10:59:02 PM
I contemplated putting this in the Investing thread, but the airlines can eff off in asking for a bailout. For the amount they’ve collectively spent on stock buy backs, eff them.

I totally get that the airline business is fragile, more so than other industries. But spending all that cash on stock buy backs, while delivering a mediocre at best product, with record profits...eff em, let them go to bankruptcy and figure it out.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on March 16, 2020, 11:12:06 PM
I contemplated putting this in the Investing thread, but the airlines can eff off in asking for a bailout. For the amount they’ve collectively spent on stock buy backs, eff them.

I totally get that the airline business is fragile, more so than other industries. But spending all that cash on stock buy backs, while delivering a mediocre at best product, with record profits...eff em, let them go to bankruptcy and figure it out.

Amen Dish, could not agree more.  F##k them
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 16, 2020, 11:42:29 PM
I contemplated putting this in the Investing thread, but the airlines can eff off in asking for a bailout. For the amount they’ve collectively spent on stock buy backs, eff them.

I totally get that the airline business is fragile, more so than other industries. But spending all that cash on stock buy backs, while delivering a mediocre at best product, with record profits...eff em, let them go to bankruptcy and figure it out.

I'm with you.  The products are continually declining, service has been abysmal for years, I too find it hard to sympathize.  Ive griped many times on here recently about United's degradation of their FF program.  And that's not even company specific, as we've seen MANY times over the years that the Big 3 US airlines just follow each other.  One tests a new charge or devaluation, it sticks, and the others adopt it posthaste.  They all race to the bottom in lockstep and are happy to each have their hubs and routes they dominate, no need for meaningful differentiation.

On United, I flew last Wed, my plane boarded about 30% full in 10 min.  If I wanted to same day change, I could have switched to ANY flight.  They were ALL wide open.  However, if you looked to book a flight later in the week, nothing had changed.  The "regular" price for MKE to EWR is $194-203ish.  But it jumps to around $400-425 if its within the magical 1 week window.  When I looked, flights with 60%+ seats open were still at that level due to the threshold.  If you're that rigid, you deserve what you get.  (Since then, I looked today and it was the same $200 price, 2 days from now, but it took long enough).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2020, 08:02:48 AM
I contemplated putting this in the Investing thread, but the airlines can eff off in asking for a bailout. For the amount they’ve collectively spent on stock buy backs, eff them.

I totally get that the airline business is fragile, more so than other industries. But spending all that cash on stock buy backs, while delivering a mediocre at best product, with record profits...eff em, let them go to bankruptcy and figure it out.

Vegas hotels will be next
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 17, 2020, 02:33:28 PM
I'm with you.  The products are continually declining, service has been abysmal for years, I too find it hard to sympathize.  Ive griped many times on here recently about United's degradation of their FF program.  And that's not even company specific, as we've seen MANY times over the years that the Big 3 US airlines just follow each other.  One tests a new charge or devaluation, it sticks, and the others adopt it posthaste.  They all race to the bottom in lockstep and are happy to each have their hubs and routes they dominate, no need for meaningful differentiation.

On United, I flew last Wed, my plane boarded about 30% full in 10 min.  If I wanted to same day change, I could have switched to ANY flight.  They were ALL wide open.  However, if you looked to book a flight later in the week, nothing had changed.  The "regular" price for MKE to EWR is $194-203ish.  But it jumps to around $400-425 if its within the magical 1 week window.  When I looked, flights with 60%+ seats open were still at that level due to the threshold.  If you're that rigid, you deserve what you get.  (Since then, I looked today and it was the same $200 price, 2 days from now, but it took long enough).

Brother Wags and Brother Dish:

Sorry dudes but I REALLY don't agree with you. The product quality has nothing to do with the situation the Big 3 are in right now. They could have been Emirates Light or Singapore Air Midwest and it would not have mattered. These lines are critical components of the USA economy and they did nothing to cause this problem.

What needs to be done is a situation similar to what the country did with the auto industry in 2008. Issue convertible preferred securities with a 0.02 percent coupon rate. The convertibility occurs at the average price the airlines traded one month before the market tumbled. Sell at $1,000 a unit and give 'em as much as they need. When the market recovers, the government converts the preferred to common and sells it. The risk is the government pumps billions into an enterprise that fails anyway. The government agrees if it converts and owns the securities not to vote them except on M&A issues.

Sure beats giving a blank check away.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2020, 03:14:22 PM
Brother Wags and Brother Dish:

Sorry dudes but I REALLY don't agree with you. The product quality has nothing to do with the situation the Big 3 are in right now. They could have been Emirates Light or Singapore Air Midwest and it would not have mattered. These lines are critical components of the USA economy and they did nothing to cause this problem.

What needs to be done is a situation similar to what the country did with the auto industry in 2008. Issue convertible preferred securities with a 0.02 percent coupon rate. The convertibility occurs at the average price the airlines traded one month before the market tumbled. Sell at $1,000 a unit and give 'em as much as they need. When the market recovers, the government converts the preferred to common and sells it. The risk is the government pumps billions into an enterprise that fails anyway. The government agrees if it converts and owns the securities not to vote them except on M&A issues.

Sure beats giving a blank check away.

My issue is the airlines have made billions in profit for years, and rather than knowing the volatility that can quickly exist in their industry, the airlines were buying back stock like drunk sailors.

How does an industry like the airlines not have cash reserves set aside for "Act of God"?

The quality of the product pisses me off, and if this crisis means all airlines have to re-examine things, I'm good with it. To me, I'd rather this be a watershed moment where the domestic airline industry resets.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
My issue is the airlines have made billions in profit for years, and rather than knowing the volatility that can quickly exist in their industry, the airlines were buying back stock like drunk sailors.

How does an industry like the airlines not have cash reserves set aside for "Act of God"?

The quality of the product pisses me off, and if this crisis means all airlines have to re-examine things, I'm good with it. To me, I'd rather this be a watershed moment where the domestic airline industry resets.

Because the stock market punishes them when they carry large reserves, and everyone knows they'll get bailed out anyway.

Maybe as a condition of any loan or grant they would have to commit to a certain level of cash?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Because the stock market punishes them when they carry large reserves, and everyone knows they'll get bailed out anyway.

Maybe as a condition of any loan or grant they would have to commit to a certain level of cash?

You're certainly not wrong. If there's an industry that "should" have to (by law) carry a certain level of cash, it should be the airlines. Maybe that's opening up a huge can of worms, there's certainly much smarter people here than me about these things. Somebody can probably better eloquently explain why that's a good or bad idea.

I'm just overall jaded by the flying experience and seeing it with those glasses on, and want to stick it back to the airlines for it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Because the stock market punishes them when they carry large reserves, and everyone knows they'll get bailed out anyway.

Maybe as a condition of any loan or grant they would have to commit to a certain level of cash?

Maybe there's a deeper problem than the airlines?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2020, 03:27:36 PM
Also, bailout ideas:

Mark Cuban on Corona bailouts:

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1239901248167522304?s=19
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Maybe there's a deeper problem than the airlines?


There is on many levels.  I'm not going to "go political" here, but this stuff starting with the NBA and the conference tournaments cancelling was LESS THAN A WEEK AGO!  The fact that the economy can apparently be brought to its knees enough, people are getting laid off, corporations needing bailouts, Congress considering doling out over a trillion $$$ in stimulus, etc. shows there are huge problems in the economy / society to begin with.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 17, 2020, 03:35:03 PM
Also, bailout ideas:


Cuban often acts like a jagoff, but he also seems to have some fundamental sense of fairness.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 17, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Because the stock market punishes them when they carry large reserves, and everyone knows they'll get bailed out anyway.

Maybe as a condition of any loan or grant they would have to commit to a certain level of cash?

Ah, you're suggesting regulation.  If these companies can't be trusted to do the right thing, we have no other choice.   Unless we nationalize it... which would be wildly unpopular.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 17, 2020, 03:43:53 PM

There is on many levels.  I'm not going to "go political" here, but this stuff starting with the NBA and the conference tournaments cancelling was LESS THAN A WEEK AGO!  The fact that the economy can apparently be brought to its knees enough, people are getting laid off, corporations needing bailouts, Congress considering doling out over a trillion $$$ in stimulus, etc. shows there are huge problems in the economy / society to begin with.

The problem is that we all want a market economy when things are going well, but then don't want to deal with the consequences of a downturn.

The human race is extremely reactive.  We've designed our government this way as well.  We don't do long term projects because they don't win votes, and we are short term focused.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2020, 03:49:41 PM
Privatize profits, socialize losses
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2020, 03:52:58 PM
Privatize profits, socialize losses


Right.  And this is exactly what happened in 2008 - and here we go again 12 years later.  At some point society should demand certain safeguards so we don't have to do this again in 2032.  I'm not smart enough to know what that is.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 17, 2020, 04:00:29 PM

Cuban often acts like a jagoff, but he also seems to have some fundamental sense of fairness.

He's cocky and arrogant in some ways, but I think he honestly retains a pretty decent level of self awareness and perspective due to the myriad of stuff he's involved in.  My sister's BF has interacted with him a decent amount through golf related networking stuff in the Dallas area and said he's pretty much "what you see is what you get" and pretty likable.  And thats from someone who has had interactions with ALOT of rich douchebags.

I used to read Cuban's blog a lot and appreciate his perspective cause he has the success across a variety of business endeavors to justify his expertise and he comes off pretty reasonable and wide perspective based.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on March 17, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
Privatize profits, socialize losses

Yep. I’m a bit in the “screw em” camp, especially after quotes like Doug Parker’s below.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/09/28/american-airlines-ceo-well-never-lose-money-again/715467001/

Never lose money again, huh? Maybe take it easy on profit sharing and stock buybacks as not to stick it to the taxpayer when a global pandemic hits. I get that the industry is effectively a utility and critical commercial engine for the country, but it seems like airline leadership has us in a “heads I win, tails you lose” scenario.

More aggravating are proposed bailouts for the cruise industry — these organizations do absolutely everything to avoid paying taxes, paying decent salaries to American citizens, etc. and they want a government bailout? Let it burn...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 17, 2020, 04:07:05 PM
Yep. I’m a bit in the “screw em” camp, especially after quotes like Doug Parker’s below.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/09/28/american-airlines-ceo-well-never-lose-money-again/715467001/

Never lose money again, huh? Maybe take it easy on profit sharing and stock buybacks as not to stick it to the taxpayer when a global pandemic hits. I get that the industry is effectively a utility and critical commercial engine for the country, but it seems like airline leadership has us in a “heads I win, tails you lose” scenario.

More aggravating are proposed bailouts for the cruise industry — these organizations do absolutely everything to avoid paying taxes, paying decent salaries to American citizens, etc. and they want a government bailout? Let it burn...

Let the flag countries bail out the ships under their registry.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2020, 04:50:36 PM

Right.  And this is exactly what happened in 2008 - and here we go again 12 years later.  At some point society should demand certain safeguards so we don't have to do this again in 2032.  I'm not smart enough to know what that is.

Understanding that the immediate bailouts only significantly helped the wealthy after 2008, worse yet is to look at the difference in benefit long-term between the wealthy and the rest of us.

But here we are.

And we keep voting for it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM

There is on many levels.  I'm not going to "go political" here, but this stuff starting with the NBA and the conference tournaments cancelling was LESS THAN A WEEK AGO!  The fact that the economy can apparently be brought to its knees enough, people are getting laid off, corporations needing bailouts, Congress considering doling out over a trillion $$$ in stimulus, etc. shows there are huge problems in the economy / society to begin with.

It wasn't that strong. Construction & Manufacturing were both down or at best flat when you look at jobs numbers. Since construction is usually the leading indicator and that was down it was only a matter of time. The only sector that was growing was the service industry. And when something comes that cripples that sector you're in for a world of suck.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 17, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
Let the flag countries bail out the ships under their registry.

HA! YES!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 18, 2020, 08:16:58 AM
It wasn't that strong. Construction & Manufacturing were both down or at best flat when you look at jobs numbers. Since construction is usually the leading indicator and that was down it was only a matter of time. The only sector that was growing was the service industry. And when something comes that cripples that sector you're in for a world of suck.

I've been talking with a lot of manufacturers and the consensus is manufacturing started to slow / became flat around May 2019.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
South east Asia and Nola got pushed back a year 😭
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on March 18, 2020, 10:18:03 AM
South east Asia and Nola got pushed back a year 😭

Cancelled my LA trip as well. we have a couple other ones planned for late May and July. Everything is kind of up in the air at the moment.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 18, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
I have a HUGE trade show in HK that is typically the last week in Feb into first week in March.  It was delayed till May.  Not sure if that will hold.  The second largest such show in my industry, the largest for the US market, is in Vegas in early June.  I just was notified last night that its been postponed without a new date yet.

I fly an average of 120K miles a year.  I average 2 trips to India, 2-3 to Europe, and 2-3 to SE Asia a year.  Thus far in 2020, Ive travelled 6K miles and don't anticipate leaving the country till at least May at this point.  Its WILD to be honest.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 18, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
My trade show in Germany that was supposed to be two weeks from now was rescheduled to Dec 7-11.
A trade show in mid-May in Boston I planned to attend was moved to late September.
A trade show in Milwaukee also in Mid-May has been postponed to a date sometime in the fall that is TBD.

I was planning another trip to India either in late April or mid-June but not sure when now?  Mid-June is still possible I suppose.
I had a Southern California trip and two more Midwest trips that I need to make but are all TBD at his point.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 18, 2020, 05:23:08 PM
If an airline takes a dime of bailout money, they should be prohibited from ever charging a seat fee, bag fee, check-in fee, printed ticket fee, or any other bullsht fee for the rest of their existence. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on March 18, 2020, 07:10:10 PM
If an airline takes a dime of bailout money, they should be prohibited from ever charging a seat fee, bag fee, check-in fee, printed ticket fee, or any other bullsht fee for the rest of their existence.
And better snacks. Any flight over 2 hours should be a meal! Better magazines!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 21, 2020, 06:22:51 PM
Ah, you're suggesting regulation.  If these companies can't be trusted to do the right thing, we have no other choice.   Unless we nationalize it... which would be wildly unpopular.

Federal Air... I can hardly wait!

As bad as air travel can be today, just imagine what would happen with Federal Air.

In case you think I'm full of it, just look at Amtrak. That one has been screwed up beyond hope. All because the government has dictated everything about what it can and can't do.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
Federal Air... I can hardly wait!

As bad as air travel can be today, just imagine what would happen with Federal Air.

In case you think I'm full of it, just look at Amtrak. That one has been screwed up beyond hope. All because the government has dictated everything about what it can and can't do.

I mean, the problems are not all Amtrak's fault.  Its bad rail, on bad tracks, and its pricey.  Its Amtrak or nothing.  But that is because no one else can be competitive on rail. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
Not sure anyone really cares, but my parents cruise in SA has been routed from Valparaiso, Chile to Ft. Lauderdale via the Panama Canal.  Basically, they are back to their original itinerary without any of the stops.  No one on the ship appears sick.  Plan is to arrive 4/1.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 22, 2020, 10:20:18 AM
Not sure anyone really cares, but my parents cruise in SA has been routed from Valparaiso, Chile to Ft. Lauderdale via the Panama Canal.  Basically, they are back to their original itinerary without any of the stops.  No one on the ship appears sick.  Plan is to arrive 4/1.

All things considered, not a bad way to spend a lockdown. Hope they are in good spirits
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 22, 2020, 10:27:17 AM
I mean, the problems are not all Amtrak's fault.  Its bad rail, on bad tracks, and its pricey.  Its Amtrak or nothing.  But that is because no one else can be competitive on rail.

Other than the price, Amtrak is actually pretty good here in the Northeast.

Wether good or bad I read an article that the former Delta CEO had been running Amtrak and turning some stuff around.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2020, 12:58:33 PM
All things considered, not a bad way to spend a lockdown. Hope they are in good spirits

Well now their ship has quarantined the passengers to their rooms.  Food delivered to them.

So that isn't exciting.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on March 22, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Recommendations for vacations in South America?

Looking at Peru, Chile or Argentina.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: drewm88 on March 22, 2020, 10:23:31 PM
Recommendations for vacations in South America?

Looking at Peru, Chile or Argentina.

Just got back from Peru. Lima was fascinating. Cusco/Sacred Valley was breathtaking.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 07:57:30 AM
Other than the price, Amtrak is actually pretty good here in the Northeast.

Wether good or bad I read an article that the former Delta CEO had been running Amtrak and turning some stuff around.

In the NEC, Amtrak is the best way to travel. Outside the NEC, it is a joke.

Richard Anderson, Amtrak's CEO, was at the forefront of reviving Amtrak and probably was the best leader the railroad ever had. He went after the long-distance train group the way any corporate executive would go after a money losing, poorly operated and horribly inefficient division. He wanted reform and had proposed eliminating much of it in favor of the kind of corridor service you have in the Northeast.

For that, he was chased off the ranch. Not sure if he was fired or quit and frankly it doesn't matter. He spoke the truth and for that, he no longer runs Amtrak.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 23, 2020, 08:02:05 AM
In the NEC, Amtrak is the best way to travel. Outside the NEC, it is a joke.

Richard Anderson, Amtrak's CEO, was at the forefront of reviving Amtrak and probably was the best leader the railroad ever had. He went after the long-distance train group the way any corporate executive would go after a money losing, poorly operated and horribly inefficient division. He wanted reform and had proposed eliminating much of it in favor of the kind of corridor service you have in the Northeast.

For that, he was chased off the ranch. Not sure if he was fired or quit and frankly it doesn't matter. He spoke the truth and for that, he no longer runs Amtrak.

One of the issues with Amtrak is unprofitable routes.  These are seen as government service to communities and keep getting protected at the expense of profitability.  I personally don't know who is taking an Amtrak train as a necessity since it is pretty expensive and very inefficient, but its still seen that way.  Many people who have run this railroad have gotten to that issue and failed/move on when they see the political will is not there to eliminate these.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 08:31:12 AM
One of the issues with Amtrak is unprofitable routes.  These are seen as government service to communities and keep getting protected at the expense of profitability.  I personally don't know who is taking an Amtrak train as a necessity since it is pretty expensive and very inefficient, but its still seen that way.  Many people who have run this railroad have gotten to that issue and failed/move on when they see the political will is not there to eliminate these.

Count me among them.

I was brought in back in 1999 because the CEO of Amtrak, the late George Warrington, demanded that we be on a glidepath to self-sufficiency. I ran financial analysis for the long-distance train group and for a promising but later ill-fated Mail & Express group.

I loved the job. It was challenging and we were doing things that heretofore had not been done.

But politics intervened. We tried to streamline dining services and were told "there was no political appetite for it." We found fraud only to find that the product line admitted they knew about it for some time. We tried to reduce station services in places where the ticket revenue from passengers who boarded and detrained at the station was insufficient to even cover the salary of the agent.

You can guess what happened. The agent was in West Virginia and a government affairs person called me angrily and asked if I wanted to tell Senator Byrd I was eliminating the job of one of his constituents. I said, "No ____, that's your job!"

Two trains that operate make absolutely no economic or social sense whatsoever. The Cardinal, which ran from Chicago to Washington, DC and New York via West Virginia and the Sunset Limited, which ran from Los Angeles to New Orleans and didn't cross a city of 100,000 people between El Paso and Tucson. Trains work when you have population density, which is why the NEC works and most of the long distance system does not.

The Cardinal and Sunset Limited are political trains. Amtrak won't be ready for reform until both are killed and their equipment put into corridor service.

Probably the worst Amtrak pork muncher is a former Vice President who is running for President. When he was a U.S. Senator from Delaware, he was brought in to speak to our Management meeting. He smiled and said some nice words about our work and then wagged his finger at us and warned us not to touch any staff in Delaware (Amtrak has a major maintenance center at Bare and a crew base in Wilmington). "They're nice people," he said, failing to mention then that we were one of Delaware's largest employers and if we shuttered Bare, or laid off significant numbers of our team there, his re-election chances would be mortally wounded.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 23, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
When Glow jr. was stationed in Mississippi for FEMA Corps, he took the City of New Orleans (yes, like the song) to and from Jackson, because airfares were insane (apparently, no one really wants to fly to Jackson).

His train was always several hours late arriving at its destination, with no decent excuse like weather.  If you can't even predict when your transportation will get there within a half-day window, you've got problems.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 23, 2020, 12:28:48 PM
When Glow jr. was stationed in Mississippi for FEMA Corps, he took the City of New Orleans (yes, like the song) to and from Jackson, because airfares were insane (apparently, no one really wants to fly to Jackson).

His train was always several hours late arriving at its destination, with no decent excuse like weather.  If you can't even predict when your transportation will get there within a half-day window, you've got problems.

Part of that problem is that Amtrak rents space on the rails and gets put behind freight (commerce).  So they are at the mercy of the company that owns the line, with some parameters.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 23, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
Pardon the ignorance... Are rail stations/tracks more expensive to build than airports?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
Part of that problem is that Amtrak rents space on the rails and gets put behind freight (commerce).  So they are at the mercy of the company that owns the line, with some parameters.

Half right.

Amtrak has slots on which it operates passenger trains. Just like a landing slot at ORD or LGA. The slots are between freight trains that operate on the same line.

While many miles of rail are double tracked mainline, most of America's rails are single track. Trains are cleared across a block, where they have exclusive access. The block clearances are dependent on everything from how fast trains are moving, whether you have a breakdown or accident in the block or how long the sidings are. Hint: Short sidings cannot be used by long trains.

Another problem not generally known is that the General Freight Speed in the United States is 52 miles per hour. The speed at which passenger trains outside the NEC operate generally is 79 miles per hour. Except for all you journalists, you passed math. One of the questions in seventh grade math was the weeding-out calculation for train dispatchers. If one train leaves Stuart at 79 miles an hour and the other leaves Jacksonville at 52 miles an hour, where will they meet? If you want to make it real life: There's a 3,000 foot passing siding at Daytona Beach and a 3,500 foot passing siding at Cocoa. Which train gets the siding and how long will it wait for the other to pass?

We have not built any new rail, except for Virgin Trains from Cocoa to Orlando (which is under construction now). In fact, more than a few lines of rail were torn up in the 1970s and 1980s because of lost business.

That's why Amtrak has problems!

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
Pardon the ignorance... Are rail stations/tracks more expensive to build than airports?

Depends on how long, what you want them to do and how much right of way you have to acquire.

If you want high-speed passenger rail, you have to electrify it. You probably need grade separation (i.e., bridges, tunnels and fencing). Electrification on intercity rail means elevated power lines and towers to hold the line.

You also will need tons and tons of concrete ties, ballast to hold it down and quarter-mile or more segments of welded rail.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
Depends on how long, what you want them to do and how much right of way you have to acquire.

If you want high-speed passenger rail, you have to electrify it. You probably need grade separation (i.e., bridges, tunnels and fencing). Electrification on intercity rail means elevated power lines and towers to hold the line.

You also will need tons and tons of concrete ties, ballast to hold it down and quarter-mile or more segments of welded rail.

This ignores the most expensive part.  Buying the land to run the track on.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 01:40:08 PM
This ignores the most expensive part.  Buying the land to run the track on.

Depends on how long, what you want them to do and how much right of way you have to acquire.

Don't think so LOL!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on March 23, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
In the NEC, Amtrak is the best way to travel. Outside the NEC, it is a joke.

Richard Anderson, Amtrak's CEO, was at the forefront of reviving Amtrak and probably was the best leader the railroad ever had. He went after the long-distance train group the way any corporate executive would go after a money losing, poorly operated and horribly inefficient division. He wanted reform and had proposed eliminating much of it in favor of the kind of corridor service you have in the Northeast.

For that, he was chased off the ranch. Not sure if he was fired or quit and frankly it doesn't matter. He spoke the truth and for that, he no longer runs Amtrak.

Hiawatha is definitely not a joke. It is a comfortable ride and faster than driving between MKE and Chicago in rush hour.

I agree with Chick that cross-country trips on Amtrak are not dependable and hardly ever on time. But for trips like Hiawatha or Chicago to St. Louis they can make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2020, 01:51:38 PM
Half right.

Amtrak has slots on which it operates passenger trains. Just like a landing slot at ORD or LGA. The slots are between freight trains that operate on the same line.

While many miles of rail are double tracked mainline, most of America's rails are single track. Trains are cleared across a block, where they have exclusive access. The block clearances are dependent on everything from how fast trains are moving, whether you have a breakdown or accident in the block or how long the sidings are. Hint: Short sidings cannot be used by long trains.

Another problem not generally known is that the General Freight Speed in the United States is 52 miles per hour. The speed at which passenger trains outside the NEC operate generally is 79 miles per hour. Except for all you journalists, you passed math. One of the questions in seventh grade math was the weeding-out calculation for train dispatchers. If one train leaves Stuart at 79 miles an hour and the other leaves Jacksonville at 52 miles an hour, where will they meet? If you want to make it real life: There's a 3,000 foot passing siding at Daytona Beach and a 3,500 foot passing siding at Cocoa. Which train gets the siding and how long will it wait for the other to pass?

We have not built any new rail, except for Virgin Trains from Cocoa to Orlando (which is under construction now). In fact, more than a few lines of rail were torn up in the 1970s and 1980s because of lost business.

That's why Amtrak has problems!

Connecticut double tracked the line between New Haven & Springfield, Mass, so it could exponentially expand commuter rail service.  The state worked in conjunction with Amtrak.   
(Coincidentally, I believe it was paid for by the federal government with funds originally allocated for the train line from Milwaukee to Madison.)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Depends on how long, what you want them to do and how much right of way you have to acquire.

Don't think so LOL!

Right, which is why its expensive.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
Hiawatha is definitely not a joke. It is a comfortable ride and faster than driving between MKE and Chicago in rush hour.

I agree with Chick that cross-country trips on Amtrak are not dependable and hardly ever on time. But for trips like Hiawatha or Chicago to St. Louis they can make a lot of sense.

Brother Coleman:

That's called corridor service. That's the type of service Mr. Anderson was trying to play up. I absolutely agree with you (having used it more than a few times).

The best thing Amtrak could do would be to ditch Denver and add more, faster trains over short distances to places like Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland and Minneapolis.

But the foamers (people who foam at the mouth at the sight of a train) want the long-distance train service. Period. They are archaic.  And, for some strange reason, they have a magical hold on Congress generally reserved for real estate agents, credit unions and large moneyed contributors.

Until they build a statue of Richard Anderson as father of the Contemporary Rail System at Union Station in Washington, we'll be stuck with a slow-moving, crappy system that few ride but Congress loves.


Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 23, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Connecticut double tracked the line between New Haven & Springfield, Mass, so it could exponentially expand commuter rail service.  The state worked in conjunction with Amtrak.   
(Coincidentally, I believe it was paid for by the federal government with funds originally allocated for the train line from Milwaukee to Madison.)

the Amtrak stop in Dane Co is right in downtown Madison near UW, crap near the airport, crap, right off the interstate, crap, next to the central bus station, crap, in Columbus -a town of 4900 people a half hour's drive from downtown Madison on a good day.  No worries, you can take a Madison Metro bus to Columbus to get to the Amtrak station.  It's only a 2 hour 45 minute bike ride.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 23, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
the Amtrak stop in Dane Co is right in downtown Madison near UW, crap near the airport, crap, right off the interstate, crap, next to the central bus station, crap, in Columbus -a town of 4900 people a half hour's drive from downtown Madison on a good day.  No worries, you can take a Madison Metro bus to Columbus to get to the Amtrak station.  It's only a 2 hour 45 minute bike ride.



Wow, never knew that. That's extremely poor and sad.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on March 23, 2020, 02:56:50 PM
Brother Coleman:

That's called corridor service. That's the type of service Mr. Anderson was trying to play up. I absolutely agree with you (having used it more than a few times).

The best thing Amtrak could do would be to ditch Denver and add more, faster trains over short distances to places like Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland and Minneapolis.

But the foamers (people who foam at the mouth at the sight of a train) want the long-distance train service. Period. They are archaic.  And, for some strange reason, they have a magical hold on Congress generally reserved for real estate agents, credit unions and large moneyed contributors.

Until they build a statue of Richard Anderson as father of the Contemporary Rail System at Union Station in Washington, we'll be stuck with a slow-moving, crappy system that few ride but Congress loves.

Then we agree more than we disagree.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 03:02:50 PM
the Amtrak stop in Dane Co is right in downtown Madison near UW, crap near the airport, crap, right off the interstate, crap, next to the central bus station, crap, in Columbus -a town of 4900 people a half hour's drive from downtown Madison on a good day.  No worries, you can take a Madison Metro bus to Columbus to get to the Amtrak station.  It's only a 2 hour 45 minute bike ride.

This is a perfect example of why I became concerned at an earlier comment about federalizing air service. The second largest population center in Wisconsin, a university community and the center of government can't get railroad service.

What do you think will happen when the federal government gets control of air service? And the corollary is that once you serve a community, what do you think the chances ever will be that if the service does not work, you'll get rid of it?

Fed Air -- No where thank you very much!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on March 23, 2020, 03:05:45 PM
This is a perfect example of why I became concerned at an earlier comment about federalizing air service. The second largest population center in Wisconsin, a university community and the center of government can't get railroad service.

What do you think will happen when the federal government gets control of air service? And the corollary is that once you serve a community, what do you think the chances ever will be that if the service does not work, you'll get rid of it?

Fed Air -- No where thank you very much!

There is a middle ground between nationalizing airline(s) and status quo...regulation, which is what we had for most of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
This is a perfect example of why I became concerned at an earlier comment about federalizing air service. The second largest population center in Wisconsin, a university community and the center of government can't get railroad service.

What do you think will happen when the federal government gets control of air service? And the corollary is that once you serve a community, what do you think the chances ever will be that if the service does not work, you'll get rid of it?

Fed Air -- No where thank you very much!

I hope I'm not stepping into politics, but wasn't that a Scott Walker special canceling the project?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 23, 2020, 04:11:03 PM
I hope I'm not stepping into politics, but wasn't that a Scott Walker special canceling the project?

Walker killed the Cow Speed rail.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 23, 2020, 04:17:17 PM
Thanks for the train info, fam.

Airline/rail discussion furthers my belief that "politician" should not be a career. I dunno how long to limit it, but when your election success is predicated on doing something bad for the majority, that seems a bit wrong.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 23, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
There is a middle ground between nationalizing airline(s) and status quo...regulation, which is what we had for most of the 20th century.

Brother Coleman:

The Civil Aeronautics Board ("CAB") had degenerated into a club of airline executives that was anti-consumer, anti-growth. The regulation of the airline industry was predicated on technology and service that was well-surpassed by the 1960s. It was put down in 1978 by Congress and Jimmy Carter in a landmark piece of domestic legislation.

It's an example of what happens when government sets all the rules and controls everything. Since the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, air travel is nearly universal, far less expensive and service much better than anyone would have imagined before 1978. Sure, we all like to think of wide leather seats, wonderful hostesses and food on board that existed before deregulation. The reality was that the airlines were a very few times in a lifetime experience for most.

Killing the CAB and deregulated the airline industry was a huge gift from President Carter to the nation.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
We've talked on here about the airline bailouts, and I previously had brought up that I think that this pandemic will have to be a turning point in the airline industry. I was just reading an article on how sports/entertainment venues are going to have to drastically change (no more buffets, redesign of bathrooms, no more stainless steel at concession areas, no more open condiments).

Once things return to whatever the new normal is, will anyone ever want to sit in a middle seat? Not that anyone ever wants to sit in a middle seat, but with social distancing becoming more the norm, people having to share armrests, I can't imagine a good scenario coming up here if airlines stay "business as usual". Travelling a lot for work, I could easily foresee scenarios on planes soon where if someone coughs/sneezes, the people sitting next to that person asking (loudly) to switch seats. It's going to be a tense experience to say the least.

To be clear, I don't think the airlines will do anything like rip out rows of seats and drastically change their business models. I also think as a result of that line of thinking, in the next 24 months, you'll see at least one of Delta/American/United collapse.

Companies are going to get used to Zoom/WebEx/Teams virtual meetings, discretionary income is going to fall dramatically for families, and if the airlines think people are going to want to be crammed like sardines going forward in a world where space and cleanliness are the new norm, it's going to be a rough go for the airlines.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 26, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
We've talked on here about the airline bailouts, and I previously had brought up that I think that this pandemic will have to be a turning point in the airline industry. I was just reading an article on how sports/entertainment venues are going to have to drastically change (no more buffets, redesign of bathrooms, no more stainless steel at concession areas, no more open condiments).

Once things return to whatever the new normal is, will anyone ever want to sit in a middle seat? Not that anyone ever wants to sit in a middle seat, but with social distancing becoming more the norm, people having to share armrests, I can't imagine a good scenario coming up here if airlines stay "business as usual". Travelling a lot for work, I could easily foresee scenarios on planes soon where if someone coughs/sneezes, the people sitting next to that person asking (loudly) to switch seats. It's going to be a tense experience to say the least.

To be clear, I don't think the airlines will do anything like rip out rows of seats and drastically change their business models. I also think as a result of that line of thinking, in the next 24 months, you'll see at least one of Delta/American/United collapse.

Companies are going to get used to Zoom/WebEx/Teams virtual meetings, discretionary income is going to fall dramatically for families, and if the airlines think people are going to want to be crammed like sardines going forward in a world where space and cleanliness are the new norm, it's going to be a rough go for the airlines.

I struggle to see how this brings about a complete and utter change in some of those things across the board, especially long term. I'm not trying to say this is just like the flu, but once they have a vaccine and treatments for this, it will largely get treated like influenza and people will move on with their lives.  People aren't going to be terrified to be in close spaces or middle seats or communal food come, say, 2022.  No more than they do with cold and flu season now.  Especially if these measures are successful and the total deaths in the US stay in the mid 5, maybe low 6 figures.

The work from home piece is interesting, as it will likely display the capacity for that sort of set up in more and more industries and roles.

But I believe that this will largely be looked back on as a surreal period of time that lead to changes in pandemic approach and response, hopefully the curbing of wet markets, and hastening more developments in how we work and approach office life, but wont bring sea change in public transit, airline protocol, or public dining.  IMO
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 27, 2020, 10:50:35 PM

Companies are going to get used to Zoom/WebEx/Teams virtual meetings, discretionary income is going to fall dramatically for families, and if the airlines think people are going to want to be crammed like sardines going forward in a world where space and cleanliness are the new norm, it's going to be a rough go for the airlines.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but at some point a fax, text message, video conference etc., can never make-up for personal contact and personal meetings. I know we're most successful when we're face to face with our clients talking about what we do and about their problems.

This says it all. Change fax and phone call to email and textmessage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa6Id-7SdRQ

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on March 27, 2020, 11:42:41 PM
Fax huh?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 28, 2020, 06:56:01 AM
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but at some point a fax, text message, video conference etc., can never make-up for personal contact and personal meetings. I know we're most successful when we're face to face with our clients talking about what we do and about their problems.

This says it all. Change fax and phone call to email and textmessage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa6Id-7SdRQ

My company has pushed me for more face-to-face time with customers and suppliers which I've been doing the last 6 months.  The market intelligence I've gathered in these meetings I would never have gotten anywhere close to getting via emai or other means.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on March 28, 2020, 09:03:07 AM
Fax huh?

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 28, 2020, 04:34:39 PM
And yet I have business dealings with large companies that still insist on using fax even after I practically beg them to use email.  Optum is one. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 28, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
And yet I have business dealings with large companies that still insist on using fax even after I practically beg them to use email.  Optum is one.

We disconnected our fax machine.

I heard people still use for security reasons because fax machines are not hackable.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 28, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
And yet I have business dealings with large companies that still insist on using fax even after I practically beg them to use email.  Optum is one.

We ask people to use fax if they are sending over PII.  Still trying to get my IT department to get us a secure dropbox for electronic documents.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 28, 2020, 05:16:49 PM
We disconnected our fax machine.

I heard people still use for security reasons because fax machines are not hackable.
Insist on getting wire instructions by fax rather than e-mail for this very reason.  Too many e-mail accounts have gotten hacked and wire instructions changed, causing people to lose their life savings. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 05, 2020, 11:45:26 PM
United (following Delta’s lead) announces just now they will extend current status through Jan 2022.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 06, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
Cancelled our Florida trip on March 16th, currently hold vouchers that are good for 90 days. That puts us in the middle of June to book a flight, chances that Frontier has to revisit this?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 06, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
United (following Delta’s lead) announces just now they will extend current status through Jan 2022.

First good news Ive gotten on the travel front in a LONG time.  And the lowered thresholds for re-qualifying is fantastic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 06, 2020, 09:44:04 AM
Cancelled our Florida trip on March 16th, currently hold vouchers that are good for 90 days. That puts us in the middle of June to book a flight, chances that Frontier has to revisit this?

99.9%. My concern would be that Frontier will no longer exist and my money is gone.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 06, 2020, 10:01:52 AM
99.9%. My concern would be that Frontier will no longer exist and my money is gone.

Yeah, that's actually my gut feeling.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 06, 2020, 12:16:03 PM
99.9%. My concern would be that Frontier will no longer exist and my money is gone.

Then call your credit card and say you never got the service.

As a Floridian, would rather have you come in June, but I'll acknowledge what you get then may not be worthy of the effort you make.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 06, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
Then call your credit card and say you never got the service.


Yep.  Depending on the CC/bank, they can be pretty good with travel related reimbursement.  Last summer, my GF and I went to Greece, specifically Crete.  Huge island so naturally needed a rental car.  Found a great rate through Kayak, got all the "documentation" needed.  Arrived at the rental agency at 11PM after plenty of flight delays from Mykonos...cause Greece.  Had to walk a KM cause we couldn't find their van.  Get there, they inform me that they won't give me a car cause I don't have an International Drivers License.  "Firm Greek law, no exceptions, you will go to jail, and so will we".  I knew this wasn't true as I had rented on Corfu a few summers back without IDL and without issue.  They wouldn't refund and said I needed to contact the 3rd party provider. 

Contacted Holiday Autos, or whatever it was, they informed me it was CLEARLY stated.  I looked through their emails, their forms, the website.  Nothing was listed other than passport, CC, travel itinerary, etc...  I was told it was in the rental agreement...on the last page in tiny print on a final paragraph.  As a result, it was my fault, they would not refund a dime.  And better yet, they curtly told me "you received a lesson and some knowledge so you won't make this mistake again!"

I logged into my Sapphire account on Chase, submitted a claim and that I never received services.  It was removed and cleared less than 3 days later without even a followup email or phone call.

Oh, and after we left the agency, a nice British couple who heard our plight in the office drove us back to airport.  We walked over to Hertz...and rented a car without a single issue, got an upgrade, and when I asked about the IDL the woman assisting us looked right at me and bluntly said "no, why would you?".  Lesson learned  8-)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 06, 2020, 01:29:10 PM
Yep.  Depending on the CC/bank, they can be pretty good with travel related reimbursement.  Last summer, my GF and I went to Greece, specifically Crete.  Huge island so naturally needed a rental car.  Found a great rate through Kayak, got all the "documentation" needed.  Arrived at the rental agency at 11PM after plenty of flight delays from Mykonos...cause Greece.  Had to walk a KM cause we couldn't find their van.  Get there, they inform me that they won't give me a car cause I don't have an International Drivers License.  "Firm Greek law, no exceptions, you will go to jail, and so will we".  I knew this wasn't true as I had rented on Corfu a few summers back without IDL and without issue.  They wouldn't refund and said I needed to contact the 3rd party provider. 

Contacted Holiday Autos, or whatever it was, they informed me it was CLEARLY stated.  I looked through their emails, their forms, the website.  Nothing was listed other than passport, CC, travel itinerary, etc...  I was told it was in the rental agreement...on the last page in tiny print on a final paragraph.  As a result, it was my fault, they would not refund a dime.  And better yet, they curtly told me "you received a lesson and some knowledge so you won't make this mistake again!"

I logged into my Sapphire account on Chase, submitted a claim and that I never received services.  It was removed and cleared less than 3 days later without even a followup email or phone call.

Oh, and after we left the agency, a nice British couple who heard our plight in the office drove us back to airport.  We walked over to Hertz...and rented a car without a single issue, got an upgrade, and when I asked about the IDL the woman assisting us looked right at me and bluntly said "no, why would you?".  Lesson learned  8-)

A IDL at AAA is just $20.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 06, 2020, 02:06:20 PM
A IDL at AAA is just $20.

Not a AAA member, but understood.  That would have done nothing for me at the time, and again, driven and rented in half a dozen European countries, including the epicenter of bureaucracy, Belgium, and this was the only issue Id had.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 07, 2020, 01:28:05 PM
Then call your credit card and say you never got the service.

As a Floridian, would rather have you come in June, but I'll acknowledge what you get then may not be worthy of the effort you make.

I have never filed a claim with my credit card company, but thinking about it for our entire vacation now.

What’s the downside?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 07, 2020, 04:14:37 PM
I have never filed a claim with my credit card company, but thinking about it for our entire vacation now.

What’s the downside?

You literally have nothing to lose by calling.  The worst thing they can do is deny your request. 

Also, for next time, I recommend trip insurance.  It's worth the money for peace of mind alone.   We had it on the big trip that got cancelled.  Fortunately, all of our vendors refunded our money (even Hotwire, which is supposed to be strictly non-refundable), and our trip insurance company even refunded our premium without even us having to ask.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 07, 2020, 04:50:48 PM
You literally have nothing to lose by calling.  The worst thing they can do is deny your request. 

Also, for next time, I recommend trip insurance.  It's worth the money for peace of mind alone.   We had it on the big trip that got cancelled.  Fortunately, all of our vendors refunded our money (even Hotwire, which is supposed to be strictly non-refundable), and our trip insurance company even refunded our premium without even us having to ask.

It’s a usual pass for me on the insurance, we never cancel trips. But yeah...

We’ve got vouchers for everything. Car is good for two years, so I won’t dispute that.

Frontier flights from MKE to RSW are seasonal. I’ve got until June to book a flight that probably will not happen until March 2021 and there’s no clue what the 20-21 academic schedule will be.

Our rental through VRBO is a voucher, totally dependent on rebooking the same house. The house has been completely wiped from all the rental sites.

Screw it, filing claims tonight.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 07, 2020, 05:22:07 PM
It’s a usual pass for me on the insurance, we never cancel trips. But yeah...



Yep.  You never cancel trips until you do.  It's something you don't plan.  That's why it is called insurance.

 :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2020, 06:05:36 PM
Our rental through VRBO is a voucher, totally dependent on rebooking the same house. The house has been completely wiped from all the rental sites.

Fascinating how competitors handle the same situation so differently.  AirBNB has been fairly good, giving blanket refunds.  They had left certain date ranges up to the owner/renter (obviously most were not giving unless forced to), but then went over the top and made it right.  My buddy's bachelor party was supposed to be this upcoming weekend in Denver, the renter was initially annoying about it, but AirBNB broadened the date ranges and it was all good.

Meanwhile, I have a friend who had a VRBO rental in Austin for SXSW, basically got told "too bad so sad" and is out a bunch.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 07, 2020, 08:22:29 PM
Fascinating how competitors handle the same situation so differently.  AirBNB has been fairly good, giving blanket refunds.  They had left certain date ranges up to the owner/renter (obviously most were not giving unless forced to), but then went over the top and made it right.  My buddy's bachelor party was supposed to be this upcoming weekend in Denver, the renter was initially annoying about it, but AirBNB broadened the date ranges and it was all good.

Meanwhile, I have a friend who had a VRBO rental in Austin for SXSW, basically got told "too bad so sad" and is out a bunch.

I am pretty sure refund policies are driven by the property owners themselves and not AirBnB vs. VRBO.

Just like cleaning fees, deposit requirements, etc.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 07, 2020, 08:24:20 PM
I am pretty sure refund policies are driven by the property owners themselves and not AirBnB vs. VRBO.

Just like cleaning fees, deposit requirements, etc.

AirBNB has pivoted to covering more changes during this - for good reason.

Good to hear about VRBO.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 07, 2020, 08:49:45 PM
We canceled our apartment in Rome through Air BNB with 2 clicks.  This was just as Northern Italy was getting bad, Rome was still unaffected and there were no travel restrictions to Rome in place.

Good to know that VBRO isn't as customer friendly.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 08, 2020, 04:21:14 AM
Swissair wouldn't do a thing for me for an april trip.  Wouldn't even  respond to phone, email, twitter, etc.  So I went on to the Chase website for the card I used to purchase the tix, selected the option for service not received, and was refunded the money within minutes. 
Swiss - 100
Chase +1000
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Babybluejeans on April 08, 2020, 10:02:16 AM
Yep.  You never cancel trips until you do.  It's something you don't plan.  That's why it is called insurance.

 :)

To be clear, though, travel insurance offered by the airlines/travel booking websites are almost uniformly a horrible deal and require submitting to Kaftka-esque claims processes.

If you’re going to do it, go with vetted independent vendors. Berkshire Hathaway is solid and transparent, and I’ve heard Allianz and Amex Assurance are good too. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 08, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
You definitely want to read the fine print. Before the companies started offering refunds, many of the trip insurances  people purchased were deemed ineligible, as they themselves weren't sick.
Be aware of what is and what isn't covered and the reasons to be able to claim for a cancelled trip. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 08, 2020, 11:22:38 AM
To be clear, though, travel insurance offered by the airlines/travel booking websites are almost uniformly a horrible deal and require submitting to Kaftka-esque claims processes.

If you’re going to do it, go with vetted independent vendors. Berkshire Hathaway is solid and transparent, and I’ve heard Allianz and Amex Assurance are good too.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 09, 2020, 05:37:28 PM
Cancelled our Florida trip on March 16th, currently hold vouchers that are good for 90 days. That puts us in the middle of June to book a flight, chances that Frontier has to revisit this?

DOT warns airlines to issue refunds instead of vouchers for flights cancelled due to coronavirus

https://www.dontwasteyourmoney.com/dot-warns-airlines-issue-refunds-instead-vouchers/

Maybe you want to try and ask for a refund. Cite the DOT directive.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 09, 2020, 09:11:45 PM
DOT warns airlines to issue refunds instead of vouchers for flights cancelled due to coronavirus

https://www.dontwasteyourmoney.com/dot-warns-airlines-issue-refunds-instead-vouchers/

Maybe you want to try and ask for a refund. Cite the DOT directive.

Yeeeeessssssss. Thanks man.

I’ll probably wait another month anyway, if they will guarantee the voucher longer than 90 days I’m cool. Let’s get the world figured out before making people’s vouchers expire.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: shoothoops on July 24, 2020, 08:42:49 AM
https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1286618600091131904?s=19

737 problems possibly linked to inactivity.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on August 16, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
Green Lake the second weekend in September, any recommendations for food?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 16, 2020, 04:22:26 PM
Green Lake the second weekend in September, any recommendations for food?

Norton's.  Its on the water, generally good food.  Otherwise the Southwest terrace has Riley's... which was Linda's Tap from back in the day.  Decent food as well.

If you hate yourself enough, you can always check out the Gooseblind or Adam's Rib.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on August 16, 2020, 04:35:33 PM
Norton's.  Its on the water, generally good food.  Otherwise the Southwest terrace has Riley's... which was Linda's Tap from back in the day.  Decent food as well.

If you hate yourself enough, you can always check out the Gooseblind or Adam's Rib.

Definition of hating myself? Because, uh, yeah.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 16, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
Norton's.  Its on the water, generally good food.  Otherwise the Southwest terrace has Riley's... which was Linda's Tap from back in the day.  Decent food as well.

If you hate yourself enough, you can always check out the Gooseblind or Adam's Rib.

Norton's has changed hands within the past few years and is now horribly overpriced.

If you want decent pub food, go to Reilly's
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 17, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Definition of hating myself? Because, uh, yeah.

Old school townie dive.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on August 17, 2020, 12:11:20 PM
Old school townie dive.

Yeah, I don't want COVID. Just need some food after golf.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Denver recommendations? All that's planned is my 30th at El Five, beyond that I'm looking for breweries, good food, bars, hikes, maybe a spot with music.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on March 23, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
Denver recommendations? All that's planned is my 30th at El Five, beyond that I'm looking for breweries, good food, bars, hikes, maybe a spot with music.

A few years ago I went to a wedding there and stayed at the Brown Palace.  I think the hip bars are in LOdi and Cherry Creek.  The Brown P had an awesome bar with live music and Chimay Red on draft.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 10:03:34 AM
A few years ago I went to a wedding there and stayed at the Brown Palace.  I think the hip bars are in LOdi and Cherry Creek.  The Brown P had an awesome bar with live music and Chimay Red on draft.

Nice, thanks for the heads up! Any chance you remember any spots with good patios/beer gardens?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU11W on March 24, 2021, 10:29:55 AM
I was in Denver summer of 2019 and enjoyed a few breweries that had solid outdoor patios. I believe two of them were in the River North Arts District or very nearby: Our Mutual Friend & Ratio Beerworks.  The other was over by the Denver Zoo and Botanic Gardens - Cerebral Brewing.  All three had great beers
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2021, 01:52:20 PM
Denver recommendations? All that's planned is my 30th at El Five, beyond that I'm looking for breweries, good food, bars, hikes, maybe a spot with music.

Where you staying, how much/far do you want to drive? 

Hikes will all be a pretty good drive.  Best bet close-ish is head up to Chautauqua park in boulder.  Very scenic and lots of hike options.  The Table Mountain area around Golden also has some decent hikes.  Father travel into the mtns will get you better hikes.

El Five is fun.  Unless you're opposed to going out for steak, Guard & Grace is one of my favorite steakhouses.  The food scene is really pretty good these days - and don't miss some of the great food trucks.

Not breweries, but staying downtown....Falling Rock Tap House always has a great beer selection, not view.  After you've had one or two there, head across the street to Tap Fourteen's rooftop patio for some still decent beers, and good views.  In the same area Rino Beer Garden is actually pretty fun.  If you want a dive bar with GREAT beers, try Star Bar - it will surprise you!

Not sure when you're going, but if the Rockies have a home game at the time and if they are allowing fans, get some "Rooftop" tickets to drink, catch the views, and maybe see a game if you like.

If you do go up to Boulder to hike, head a little farther north up to Avery Brewing for an apre-hike beer - they keep a ton of taps of their hard to find and not-distributed stuff flowing.  They built a big new complex a few years ago, but it's a cool environment.

Tons of breweries otherwise.  You'd be hard pressed not to stumble into a few.  If you have any in mind that you've mapped out, and want any of my opinions feel free to throw them out here. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 02:05:17 PM
Where you staying, how much/far do you want to drive? 

Hikes will all be a pretty good drive.  Best bet close-ish is head up to Chautauqua park in boulder.  Very scenic and lots of hike options.  The Table Mountain area around Golden also has some decent hikes.  Father travel into the mtns will get you better hikes.

El Five is fun.  Unless you're opposed to going out for steak, Guard & Grace is one of my favorite steakhouses.  The food scene is really pretty good these days - and don't miss some of the great food trucks.

Not breweries, but staying downtown....Falling Rock Tap House always has a great beer selection, not view.  After you've had one or two there, head across the street to Tap Fourteen's rooftop patio for some still decent beers, and good views.  In the same area Rino Beer Garden is actually pretty fun.  If you want a dive bar with GREAT beers, try Star Bar - it will surprise you!

Not sure when you're going, but if the Rockies have a home game at the time and if they are allowing fans, get some "Rooftop" tickets to drink, catch the views, and maybe see a game if you like.

If you do go up to Boulder to hike, head a little farther north up to Avery Brewing for an apre-hike beer - they keep a ton of taps of their hard to find and not-distributed stuff flowing.  They built a big new complex a few years ago, but it's a cool environment.

Tons of breweries otherwise.  You'd be hard pressed not to stumble into a few.  If you have any in mind that you've mapped out, and want any of my opinions feel free to throw them out here.

Staying at the Hilton on 14th & Welton.

My cousin just moved there and I know we're driving to Outer Range Brewery in Frisco (no idea if that's near by?) but I don't really want to drive more than 30min for a hike or anything.

Usually I'd be all about steak but I did a Costco run and have pretty much lived off steak for the past month. But I'll take that recommendation for next time!

Thanks for the rooftop recommendations definitely will check those out!

Here's my Brewery list so far that Beer Advocate people recommended: 

TRVE
Cerebral
New Image
River North
dry Dock
O'dell
Comrade

While I trust their beer recommendations I'd prefer a solid atmosphere to. Ideally with a beer garden since my cousin and his GF aren't vaccinated yet.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on March 24, 2021, 03:00:59 PM
Where you staying, how much/far do you want to drive? 

Hikes will all be a pretty good drive.  Best bet close-ish is head up to Chautauqua park in boulder.  Very scenic and lots of hike options.  The Table Mountain area around Golden also has some decent hikes.  Father travel into the mtns will get you better hikes.

El Five is fun.  Unless you're opposed to going out for steak, Guard & Grace is one of my favorite steakhouses.  The food scene is really pretty good these days - and don't miss some of the great food trucks.

Not breweries, but staying downtown....Falling Rock Tap House always has a great beer selection, not view.  After you've had one or two there, head across the street to Tap Fourteen's rooftop patio for some still decent beers, and good views.  In the same area Rino Beer Garden is actually pretty fun.  If you want a dive bar with GREAT beers, try Star Bar - it will surprise you!

Not sure when you're going, but if the Rockies have a home game at the time and if they are allowing fans, get some "Rooftop" tickets to drink, catch the views, and maybe see a game if you like.

If you do go up to Boulder to hike, head a little farther north up to Avery Brewing for an apre-hike beer - they keep a ton of taps of their hard to find and not-distributed stuff flowing.  They built a big new complex a few years ago, but it's a cool environment.

Tons of breweries otherwise.  You'd be hard pressed not to stumble into a few.  If you have any in mind that you've mapped out, and want any of my opinions feel free to throw them out here.

This. Falling Rock has Pliney the Elder as well as a ton of other beers. The bar in the train station is fun.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
Whoa -

Outer Range is at least a 2:30 round trip from Denver (more like 3hr).    Nice place - but at that point you're 15 min from Breckenridge and might as well get some skiing in!  But on your way up (or down) stop by Westbound & Down in Idaho Springs.

I'll precede this with - I haven't been to any of these places since sometime in early 2020 (likely earlier) so can't speak to covid protocols seating (other than what I quickly find on the internet):

TRVE - their beers don't really interest me, but the heavy metal vibe is interesting.  Never been there for outside seating.
Cerebral - Like their beer, cool place, I know they've set up tents / can use their parking lot.
New Image - Like their beer - they have setup outdoor seating
River North - Good beer, haven't been since they were forced out and moved into new locations, but if you stop by consider the other places below.
Dry Dock - meh
Odell - meh
Comrade - Good beer, not sure they have anything outdoor

Near River North / RiNo Beer garden / ODell (I don't think there's an apostrophe) (walking distance):
Black Shirt brewing - good beer, outdoor patio (across from Rino Beer Garden)
Epic Brewing - interesting selection, outdoor seating (I think)
Out Mutual Friend - some patio seating
Ratio Brewing - courtyard

Some others I'd throw on the list (for vibe/seating):
Joyride  - Some good beer, amazing rooftop patio
--- further north - just hitting your 30 min rule:
Odd13 - One of my personal beer favorites (a little north, in Lafayette)  but patio seating
Cellar West - if you make it to Lafayette, a few blocks away, cool farmhouse ales

But your best bet for easy waling / lots of breweries is to stay in the RiNo area.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
Whoa -

Outer Range is at least a 2:30 round trip from Denver (more like 3hr).    Nice place - but at that point you're 15 min from Breckenridge and might as well get some skiing in!  But on your way up (or down) stop by Westbound & Down in Idaho Springs.

I'll precede this with - I haven't been to any of these places since sometime in early 2020 (likely earlier) so can't speak to covid protocols seating (other than what I quickly find on the internet):

TRVE - their beers don't really interest me, but the heavy metal vibe is interesting.  Never been there for outside seating.
Cerebral - Like their beer, cool place, I know they've set up tents / can use their parking lot.
New Image - Like their beer - they have setup outdoor seating
River North - Good beer, haven't been since they were forced out and moved into new locations, but if you stop by consider the other places below.
Dry Dock - meh
Odell - meh
Comrade - Good beer, not sure they have anything outdoor

Near River North / RiNo Beer garden / ODell (I don't think there's an apostrophe) (walking distance):
Black Shirt brewing - good beer, outdoor patio (across from Rino Beer Garden)
Epic Brewing - interesting selection, outdoor seating (I think)
Out Mutual Friend - some patio seating
Ratio Brewing - courtyard

Some others I'd throw on the list (for vibe/seating):
Joyride  - Some good beer, amazing rooftop patio
--- further north
Odd13 - One of my personal beer favorites (a little north, in Lafayette)  but patio seating
Cellar West - if you make it to Lafayette, a few blocks away, cool farmhouse ales

But your best bet for easy waling / lots of breweries is to stay in the RiNo area.

Wow I did not realize it was that far. Well he's determined to go so I guess I'll just get a nice afternoon nap in while he drives.

Thanks for the recommendations! Any local dive food joints you'd recommend? I know green chili is a staple but anything else?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2021, 04:10:09 PM
Wow I did not realize it was that far. Well he's determined to go so I guess I'll just get a nice afternoon nap in while he drives.

Thanks for the recommendations! Any local dive food joints you'd recommend? I know green chili is a staple but anything else?

Sticking near where you're staying:
You're walking distance to Sam's  #3 (there's several of them, and they're all #3).  Classic breakfast brunch place.  Their pork green chili is decent (I usually get something smothered with it)
Not far from Steuben's - American / retro cool place.
La Loma is ok for Mexican (not the best, but it's nearby)
Jax fish house is great seafood for a a land-locked place (used to have good happy hour deals too).
The Kitchen is trendy and people like it, not my style
Syrup - breakfast, but again mostly trendy IMO
As pbiflyer mentioned, the who Union station area is "fun" these days, several restaurants there now. Stop by Wynkoop brewing across the street while you're there "Colorado's first brewpub". (they have a green chili beer)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on March 24, 2021, 04:17:56 PM
Nice, thanks for the heads up! Any chance you remember any spots with good patios/beer gardens?

I don't remember any patios but there was a great bar called Pony Up in LoDo somewhere.   They have great craft beer places and Mexican food there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 24, 2021, 05:58:55 PM
Everything is secondary to Casa Bonita
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2021, 06:09:46 PM
Everything is secondary to Casa Bonita

Yup, I was surprised to find out it is a real place.

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Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2021, 06:12:59 PM
Everything is secondary to Casa Bonita

If they were open (they aren't) I would absolutely recommend it.  It is very entertaining!  no kidding.

I've been twice, the second time maybe a little too close to the cliff divers (splash!).  But whatever, you're not there for the food anyway.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 06:49:05 PM
Lol I'll save that spot for bringing my kids out to meet his kids in a few years
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Babybluejeans on March 24, 2021, 07:53:19 PM
Denver recommendations? All that's planned is my 30th at El Five, beyond that I'm looking for breweries, good food, bars, hikes, maybe a spot with music.

I live in downtown Denver and am in the same age bracket. El Five is great -- make sure to ask for a table outside (views are KILLER). Breweries are easy: you can do a serious brewery crawl walking around RiNo. There are at least a dozen of them all within walking distance. Eat at Finn's Manor (food trucks and a bar in an Austin-style circle) while you're doing that. 

Bars: rooftop at Linger, patio at Avanti, Star Bar if you go to a Rockies game, 715 club for hipster drinking/dancing, the hipster bars along South Broadway (Sputnik is the best), the many dives along East Colfax (PS Lounge and Lost Lake)

Food: My Brother's Bar for both an old school dive and the best burgers in Denver, Tacos/Tequila/Whiskey (for hip Mexican, there are two of them, either works), Tavernetta for a nice lunch or dinner,  Bar Dough, Uncle (if you like Ramen)

Music: Go to Red Rocks. Doesn't matter who's playing. Just go. Otherwise, lots of breweries have bluegrass bands playing during the day and there are endless numbers of cool venues for live music in Denver at night.

Feel free to DM me for more specific stuff if you'd like.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 24, 2021, 07:58:26 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about Italy in October 2021? Should I even bother? Should I drive or take trains? What do you think of Tuscany and the area north of Rome.

Any ideas on where to stay?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2021, 08:00:29 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about Italy in October 2021? Should I even bother? Should I drive or take trains? What do you think of Tuscany and the area north of Rome.

Any ideas on where to stay?

Get trip insurance.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 24, 2021, 08:02:57 PM
Get trip insurance.

The only thing we spend money on so far will be airline tickets. The total fare will be be about 4200 and I’ll burn through that in two months once travel starts again.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 24, 2021, 08:33:05 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about Italy in October 2021? Should I even bother? Should I drive or take trains? What do you think of Tuscany and the area north of Rome.

Any ideas on where to stay?

Tuscany is incredible.  Florence was a city I wasn’t lusting after as a destination that I left feeling super impressed.

Definitely avoid Pisa, wildly underwhelming and one of the worst airports I’ve had the misfortune of flying through.

Trains are the way to go.  I’ve take trains from Naples to Rome. Rome to Florence. Florence to Pisa.  Venice to Milan.  Easy breezy
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 24, 2021, 09:46:43 PM
Get trip insurance.

Probably won't cover another covid outbreak.  Didn't last year when we were scheduled to go to Italy.  Just a heads up.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on March 24, 2021, 10:16:39 PM
Tuscany is incredible.  Florence was a city I wasn’t lusting after as a destination that I left feeling super impressed.

Definitely avoid Pisa, wildly underwhelming and one of the worst airports I’ve had the misfortune of flying through.

Trains are the way to go.  I’ve take trains from Naples to Rome. Rome to Florence. Florence to Pisa.  Venice to Milan.  Easy breezy

Second all of this. Florence was incredible. Train ride from Florence to Roma Termini was a breeze.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 24, 2021, 10:56:26 PM
Going on first work trip next week in over a year. Feels both weird and good. I wasn’t going to travel until I got at least one shot in the arm first. I know that’s not foolproof, but feel less anxious.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on March 24, 2021, 11:27:41 PM
Going on first work trip next week in over a year. Feels both weird and good. I wasn’t going to travel until I got at least one shot in the arm first. I know that’s not foolproof, but feel less anxious.

Don't take United. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2021, 11:47:35 PM
Probably won't cover another covid outbreak.  Didn't last year when we were scheduled to go to Italy.  Just a heads up.

You can get trip insurance that specifically covers Covid.  We got some for our upcoming trip to Maui.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 25, 2021, 12:14:52 AM
You can get trip insurance that specifically covers Covid.  We got some for our upcoming trip to Maui.

No chit.

How much?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2021, 06:54:36 AM
Anyone have any thoughts about Italy in October 2021? Should I even bother? Should I drive or take trains? What do you think of Tuscany and the area north of Rome.

Any ideas on where to stay?

Trains 100%  Driving in Italy is a terrible experience.  Milan is boring, especially if you like history.

Florence is 10/10
Rome is 9/10
Venice is 9/10
Naples/Capri/Amalfi/Sorrento is my personal favorite, but it's not for everyone
Cinque Terra is also 9/10

Drink wine, eat off the main streets!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 25, 2021, 10:55:02 AM
No chit.

How much?

Just like any other insurance, it depends on a lot of factors. It didn't seem to be much more than what I have paid in the past.

I went with a very popular travel insurance company and bought a plan with a Covid Rider.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2021, 10:57:21 AM
I live in downtown Denver and am in the same age bracket. El Five is great -- make sure to ask for a table outside (views are KILLER). Breweries are easy: you can do a serious brewery crawl walking around RiNo. There are at least a dozen of them all within walking distance. Eat at Finn's Manor (food trucks and a bar in an Austin-style circle) while you're doing that. 

Bars: rooftop at Linger, patio at Avanti, Star Bar if you go to a Rockies game, 715 club for hipster drinking/dancing, the hipster bars along South Broadway (Sputnik is the best), the many dives along East Colfax (PS Lounge and Lost Lake)

Food: My Brother's Bar for both an old school dive and the best burgers in Denver, Tacos/Tequila/Whiskey (for hip Mexican, there are two of them, either works), Tavernetta for a nice lunch or dinner,  Bar Dough, Uncle (if you like Ramen)

Music: Go to Red Rocks. Doesn't matter who's playing. Just go. Otherwise, lots of breweries have bluegrass bands playing during the day and there are endless numbers of cool venues for live music in Denver at night.

Feel free to DM me for more specific stuff if you'd like.

Thanks a bunch for all these recommendations!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
You can get trip insurance that specifically covers Covid.  We got some for our upcoming trip to Maui.

Was in Maui in late Feb, was fantastic - especially with less crowds.  Heard it's picked up a bit since then (good for them).  Just make sure to carry your negative covid test printout everywhere (though mostly only lodging asks for it), take a screenshot of your Hawaii travel exempt status once you're processed at the airport (one place asked for that instead), and have fun!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2021, 12:17:11 PM
Trains 100%  Driving in Italy is a terrible experience.  Milan is boring, especially if you like history.

Florence is 10/10
Rome is 9/10
Venice is 9/10
Naples/Capri/Amalfi/Sorrento is my personal favorite, but it's not for everyone
Cinque Terra is also 9/10

Drink wine, eat off the main streets!

In 1997 my wife and I went to Naples/Capri/Pompei as part of our honeymoon.  We went to Poland first to have a second reception for the large group of my wife's friends and family who could not make the wedding.   I don't know why we picked, but it was tied into my desire to visit the ancestral place of my grandmother.

Here's where the fun with Italian trains come in.  The guidebook said 1 hour train ride from Rome to Naples.  Our train ride ended up taking just over 3 hours.  We did not realize there was the speed train and then there was the commuter train just like Metro North to NYC back home.  Was not spelled out very well in Rome. 
(Visiting Naples sure did explain a lot of personality things in the extended family.)

For the train back we made sure we were catching the speed train and it would give us time for a quick visit to Rome for like 5-6 hours.  We figured we could check in at the airport, drop off our luggage and train back to Rome.  That all ended before leaving Naples.  We got on on speed train.  It did not move.  We had to move to another train which turned out to be a commuter train.  A passenger on the train showed us the newspaper and explained there had been a train derailment and major accident in Rome the night before and all trains were stopping at the station before and busing people to the train terminal in Rome.  We ended up taking the last taxi from that station direct to the airport where we got stuck in a highway accident backup and our taxi driver ended up pulling in the emergency breakdown lane and driving 60 MPH in reverse to reach the previous exit ramp.  We did make our flight on time. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
In 1997 my wife and I went to Naples/Capri/Pompei as part of our honeymoon.  We went to Poland first to have a second reception for the large group of my wife's friends and family who could not make the wedding.   I don't know why we picked, but it was tied into my desire to visit the ancestral place of my grandmother.

Here's where the fun with Italian trains come in.  The guidebook said 1 hour train ride from Rome to Naples.  Our train ride ended up taking just over 3 hours.  We did not realize there was the speed train and then there was the commuter train just like Metro North to NYC back home.  Was not spelled out very well in Rome. 
(Visiting Naples sure did explain a lot of personality things in the extended family.)

For the train back we made sure we were catching the speed train and it would give us time for a quick visit to Rome for like 5-6 hours.  We figured we could check in at the airport, drop off our luggage and train back to Rome.  That all ended before leaving Naples.  We got on on speed train.  It did not move.  We had to move to another train which turned out to be a commuter train.  A passenger on the train showed us the newspaper and explained there had been a train derailment and major accident in Rome the night before and all trains were stopping at the station before and busing people to the train terminal in Rome.  We ended up taking the last taxi from that station direct to the airport where we got stuck in a highway accident backup and our taxi driver ended up pulling in the emergency breakdown lane and driving 60 MPH in reverse to reach the previous exit ramp.  We did make our flight on time.

This is very near my experience.  All signs are suggestions
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on March 27, 2021, 10:43:28 AM
Anyone have any thoughts about Italy in October 2021? Should I even bother? Should I drive or take trains? What do you think of Tuscany and the area north of Rome.

Any ideas on where to stay?

I have been to Italy several times. Latest was a couple years ago. Some thoughts:
October is a great time for Italy. Shoulder season. Less crowds, pleasant weather.
If you are going to do Tuscany, I would recommend a car. Lots of beautiful places to see and explore that aren't accessible by train. We ran across a small village where the cook at the only restaurant was playing soccer in the courtyard with kids. A scene I will never forget.
Siena is an amazing medieval town worth a day or two exploring and a good base for Tuscany.
Do not even think about driving in Rome or other major Italian cities. And the taxi rides can be downright terrifying, especially to/from Rome airport.

But, if you are headed for Italy for what I assume is the first time, I would spend time in Rome and Florence. Amazing cities. Seeing history up close and personal.
Some tips - arrange things in advance - restaurant reservations in the evenings, tickets for things, especially the Vatican museum. It also is worth the money these days to pay to skip the lines to enter the Vatican, Coliseum.   A great restaurant in Rome for Carbonara https://www.facebook.com/RoscioliRistoranteSalumeria/
My wife loves Sorrento and the Amalfi coast. If you go there, a couple off the beaten paths suggestions - Herculaneum over Pompeii, less crowded and almost as spectacular ruins.
Also, a free trip to Greece - go to Paestum. It is an hour south of Naples and has three spectacular Greek temples. (I know, who knew?) https://www.museopaestum.beniculturali.it/

But basically, unless you go to Pisa for an extended amount of time, there is no wrong choice in Italy.

A great travel board resource here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/italy-634/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 29, 2021, 12:20:08 AM
Doing a four day trip to Galena IL. Debating whether to do mid-week or a weekend. Mid-week obviously cheaper but was wondering if there are more things to do over the weekend?

Anybody who has been to Galena have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on March 29, 2021, 12:26:54 AM
Doing a four day trip to Galena IL. Debating whether to do mid-week or a weekend. Mid-week obviously cheaper but was wondering if there are more things to do over the weekend?

Anybody who has been to Galena have any suggestions?

Most of the events are over the weekend, but nearly everything else that you can do - eating, shopping, golfing, hiking, museums - can be done mid-week.

Also check out Dubuque across the river. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 29, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
Most of the events are over the weekend, but nearly everything else that you can do - eating, shopping, golfing, hiking, museums - can be done mid-week.

Also check out Dubuque across the river.

The National Mississippi River Museum & Aquarium is worth a stop in Dubuque... if you're into that sort of thign.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on March 29, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
Also check out Dubuque across the river.

My wife’s hometown. A sleepy manufacturing town that has transformed itself. Dining is much better than it once was. The gambling along the River can be fun on weekends. The architecture can be cool.

Best line: How do you know you are in Iowa? The line at the nickel slots is eight deep!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 29, 2021, 03:45:13 PM
Doing a four day trip to Galena IL. Debating whether to do mid-week or a weekend. Mid-week obviously cheaper but was wondering if there are more things to do over the weekend?

Anybody who has been to Galena have any suggestions?

Make sure you avoid Scout week.  There is a huge boy scout camp somewhere near there and downtown is overrun by kids.  I think it's in June.  My parents live there and say it's the worst week of the year.

Eagle Ridge had 4 golf courses, plus a spa and a brand new restaurant at the General.

Downtown is the touristy shops, but there sure some fun places.  Galena Garlic company, the popcorn store(forgot the name), Poopsies is a toy store.  Lots of bars and restaurants.  We like Gobbies and Fried Green Tomatoes.

The Irish Cottage is fun for live music.

Chestnut mountain has skiing in the winter, obv, but also zip lines and alpine slides in summer.

**this is all pre-covid. Not sure what is still open there, I'm sure their economy has been hammered.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 02, 2021, 10:19:39 PM
So, Glow and I are doing our first trip ever to Hawaii.  Going to Maui, assuming we pass the Covid test.  Have one Moderna shot down: getting the next one the day after we return.

Amy recommendations regarding restaurants or excursions?  We have a Luau booked, but not much else.  Taking advantage of some crazy cheap airfares.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 02, 2021, 10:54:17 PM
So, Glow and I are doing our first trip ever to Hawaii.  Going to Maui, assuming we pass the Covid test.  Have one Moderna shot down: getting the next one the day after we return.

Amy recommendations regarding restaurants or excursions?  We have a Luau booked, but not much else.  Taking advantage of some crazy cheap airfares.
I’ve got a buddy who lives there. Give me a day.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 02, 2021, 11:23:22 PM
So, Glow and I are doing our first trip ever to Hawaii.  Going to Maui, assuming we pass the Covid test.  Have one Moderna shot down: getting the next one the day after we return.

Amy recommendations regarding restaurants or excursions?  We have a Luau booked, but not much else.  Taking advantage of some crazy cheap airfares.

Mamma's Fish House is overpriced but quite popular and very good. 

Merriman's in Kapalua is solid.

Every restaurant I have been to in Paia has been excellent.

There is a little cafe in Kula called La Provence that is outstanding for breakfast. 

In general there are number of good restaurants in Maui, definitely the best of all the islands.  Their food trucks are really good too.   I forgot the great Japanese place there....hmmmmm. 

Miso Phat in Kihei was superb.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 02, 2021, 11:34:27 PM
So, Glow and I are doing our first trip ever to Hawaii.  Going to Maui, assuming we pass the Covid test.  Have one Moderna shot down: getting the next one the day after we return.

Amy recommendations regarding restaurants or excursions?  We have a Luau booked, but not much else.  Taking advantage of some crazy cheap airfares.

I recommend the Kapua suit at Turtle Bay Resort.  They have gorgeous luaus as well.  Also, be sure to talk to the best surf instructor I have ever met, Kunu.  He has a ton of life lessons to teach.  And if you're lucky, you might just run into a famous TV personality or Rock star while they're on vacation.  One place I can't recommend is Keoki's bar. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 03, 2021, 10:35:16 AM
I recommend the Kapua suit at Turtle Bay Resort.  They have gorgeous luaus as well.  Also, be sure to talk to the best surf instructor I have ever met, Kunu.  He has a ton of life lessons to teach.  And if you're lucky, you might just run into a famous TV personality or Rock star while they're on vacation.  One place I can't recommend is Keoki's bar.

Wrong island.

Where you staying in Maui, Chick?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 03, 2021, 10:59:12 AM
Obviously you have to do Haleakalā. If you do the sunrise, it is freezing at the top. The bike ride down is fun. However you do it, note the silversword plants. They are no where else in the world. I don’t think you guys dive, but don’t do what I did and plan on doing Haleakala after diving. Altitude is too high. I missed out because of that.

Somewhere, have a plate lunch, preferably from a food truck. Meat, gravy, scoop rice, scoop macaroni salad. Best thing you will ever eat. Also, if someone is selling huli huli chicken, get it. Usually it is road side or a fund raiser.

I think the road to Hana has had issues with the flooding, so check before you go.

Have shave ice. No, it’s not shaved ice. But real Hawaiian shave ice is delicious.

I’ll look for good hiking trails. Kauai has amazing ones, but don’t remember the Maui ones as well.

One of the day trips to Lanai was fun on a catamaran, but not sure if they do them or are the same.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 03, 2021, 04:02:52 PM
Monkeypod, there’s a location in Wailea and one in Kaanapali. Just trust me, get a meal there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 03, 2021, 05:04:29 PM
Little beach or Red Sand beach for sunbathing?  ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 03, 2021, 05:49:27 PM
Monkeypod, there’s a location in Wailea and one in Kaanapali. Just trust me, get a meal there.

+1. By Merriman
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 03, 2021, 05:57:31 PM
Doing a four day trip to Galena IL. Debating whether to do mid-week or a weekend. Mid-week obviously cheaper but was wondering if there are more things to do over the weekend?

Anybody who has been to Galena have any suggestions?

Mid-week definitely better if you want fewer tourists.

If you golf, Eagle Ridge has 4 courses. The General is the signature course, but it's quite difficult - a lot of target golf - and it's a little overrated IMHO. Priciest, too. Both the North and South courses are nice, and the 9-hole East course is sporty, challenging and underrated.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 03, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
http://www.cuatro808.com/
Kihei gem. Buy wine next store.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 03, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
Looking for a recommendation from anyone - but maybe especially Glow and Chick - for a restaurant in Vegas.

A little background to help understand what we are looking for. We’re stopping in Vegas for a 24-hour pit stop on the drive from Phoenix to SLC. It’ll be the whole family including our kids (24, 22, 20 and 18). The three youngest have never been to Vegas. My wife and I haven’t need for 25 years.

We’re staying on the strip. We want to have a “nice” dinner to celebrate. I realize that “nice” is relative. Looking at some menus, I don’t think we really want to be in the $50-60 entree range, but I could do $30-40 range (which would probably make this the most expensive dinner we’ve had as a family). It’s a special occasion and I’m hoping to do something nice.

I’m somewhat interested in some of the celebrity chefs, but that’s not a deal breaker for me if it’s not. I’m interested in good food, but also a cool room/experience. Any recommendations would be appreciated.  And any suggestions to reduce cost also appreciated. If it matters, it will be a Thursday, and I’m definitely willing to make it a lunch. And if there’s something in that higher price range that you think is absolutely worth it - let me know. Not sure I can swing it, but I’d consider it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 03, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Looking for a recommendation from anyone - but maybe especially Glow and Chick - for a restaurant in Vegas.

A little background to help understand what we are looking for. We’re stopping in Vegas for a 24-hour pit stop on the drive from Phoenix to SLC. It’ll be the whole family including our kids (24, 22, 20 and 18). The three youngest have never been to Vegas. My wife and I haven’t need for 25 years.

We’re staying on the strip. We want to have a “nice” dinner to celebrate. I realize that “nice” is relative. Looking at some menus, I don’t think we really want to be in the $50-60 entree range, but I could do $30-40 range (which would probably make this the most expensive dinner we’ve had as a family). It’s a special occasion and I’m hoping to do something nice.

I’m somewhat interested in some of the celebrity chefs, but that’s not a deal breaker for me if it’s not. I’m interested in good food, but also a cool room/experience. Any recommendations would be appreciated.  And any suggestions to reduce cost also appreciated. If it matters, it will be a Thursday, and I’m definitely willing to make it a lunch. And if there’s something in that higher price range that you think is absolutely worth it - let me know. Not sure I can swing it, but I’d consider it.
I have to say, one of the best meals I’ve EVER had was at Emerils. But 4 of us got out of there for about  $750-$800. That was in 2000.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 03, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Delmonico is fantastic, but definitely a bit on the pricy side.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 04, 2021, 12:01:10 AM
Looking for a recommendation from anyone - but maybe especially Glow and Chick - for a restaurant in Vegas.

A little background to help understand what we are looking for. We’re stopping in Vegas for a 24-hour pit stop on the drive from Phoenix to SLC. It’ll be the whole family including our kids (24, 22, 20 and 18). The three youngest have never been to Vegas. My wife and I haven’t need for 25 years.

We’re staying on the strip. We want to have a “nice” dinner to celebrate. I realize that “nice” is relative. Looking at some menus, I don’t think we really want to be in the $50-60 entree range, but I could do $30-40 range (which would probably make this the most expensive dinner we’ve had as a family). It’s a special occasion and I’m hoping to do something nice.

I’m somewhat interested in some of the celebrity chefs, but that’s not a deal breaker for me if it’s not. I’m interested in good food, but also a cool room/experience. Any recommendations would be appreciated.  And any suggestions to reduce cost also appreciated. If it matters, it will be a Thursday, and I’m definitely willing to make it a lunch. And if there’s something in that higher price range that you think is absolutely worth it - let me know. Not sure I can swing it, but I’d consider it.

To be honest, we don't go out to eat much on the Strip.  I don't think we have been there at all since we got here in January.  There are a lot of great options off-strip and you aren't paying tourist prices.  But I understand  wanting to go there if it's only 24 hours.


What type of food are you interested in (steak, italian,etc.)?  What hotel are you staying at?

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 08:55:13 AM
Looking for a recommendation from anyone - but maybe especially Glow and Chick - for a restaurant in Vegas.

A little background to help understand what we are looking for. We’re stopping in Vegas for a 24-hour pit stop on the drive from Phoenix to SLC. It’ll be the whole family including our kids (24, 22, 20 and 18). The three youngest have never been to Vegas. My wife and I haven’t need for 25 years.

We’re staying on the strip. We want to have a “nice” dinner to celebrate. I realize that “nice” is relative. Looking at some menus, I don’t think we really want to be in the $50-60 entree range, but I could do $30-40 range (which would probably make this the most expensive dinner we’ve had as a family). It’s a special occasion and I’m hoping to do something nice.

I’m somewhat interested in some of the celebrity chefs, but that’s not a deal breaker for me if it’s not. I’m interested in good food, but also a cool room/experience. Any recommendations would be appreciated.  And any suggestions to reduce cost also appreciated. If it matters, it will be a Thursday, and I’m definitely willing to make it a lunch. And if there’s something in that higher price range that you think is absolutely worth it - let me know. Not sure I can swing it, but I’d consider it.

Warriorchick is right.  The best restaurants are off the strip.  There are several good Steakhouses, Mexican, Japanese, and Bulgarian places.  The place I would recommend would be Marrakesh if you like Morrocan/Mediterranean cuisine.  It's not too far from the strip.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:04:40 AM
Which is the best food city in the country that has under 100,000 people?  Just a little trivia, I'm going there next month.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 04, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
Which is the best food city in the country that has under 100,000 people?  Just a little trivia, I'm going there next month.

Asheville
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:40:35 AM
Asheville

Nope.  But good guess.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on April 04, 2021, 09:57:51 AM
Obviously you have to do Haleakalā. If you do the sunrise, it is freezing at the top. The bike ride down is fun. However you do it, note the silversword plants. They are no where else in the world. I don’t think you guys dive, but don’t do what I did and plan on doing Haleakala after diving. Altitude is too high. I missed out because of that.

Somewhere, have a plate lunch, preferably from a food truck. Meat, gravy, scoop rice, scoop macaroni salad. Best thing you will ever eat. Also, if someone is selling huli huli chicken, get it. Usually it is road side or a fund raiser.

I think the road to Hana has had issues with the flooding, so check before you go.

Have shave ice. No, it’s not shaved ice. But real Hawaiian shave ice is delicious.

I’ll look for good hiking trails. Kauai has amazing ones, but don’t remember the Maui ones as well.

One of the day trips to Lanai was fun on a catamaran, but not sure if they do them or are the same.

Haleakala was the most spiritually inspiring moment in my life thus far. It is indescribable. It gets very cold and windy, and it is at altitude. I did not bike down.

Road to Hana was also incredible. I took my time, stopped at the black sand beach, hiked to waterfalls, had exotic fruits from a roadside stand. I also drove back around the backside of the island. Bring food and drink, the “store” in Hana is small and a bit random.

Took a helicopter ride, it had recently rained so many beautiful waterfalls.

Took a boat, snorkeled/snuba’d in Molokini, whale watching was incredible, they came right up to the boat.

Surf. I was AWFUL, but it was fun.

Eat a loco moco, shave ice, spam, poke. I also liked Star Noodle for a restaurant experience.

Maui is forever in my soul, only and handful of places have left this impression on me. Remember to stop and take in the beauty.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 10:40:45 AM
Which is the best food city in the country that has under 100,000 people?  Just a little trivia, I'm going there next month.

Napa?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 11:05:38 AM
Napa?

Nope.  But another good effort.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 04, 2021, 11:11:04 AM
Nope.  But another good effort.

You realize that this is a matter of opinion, right?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
You realize that this is a matter of opinion, right?

Yes, to a degree. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
Portland, ME is way up there....but that's not it.   And the overall seafood in Nova Scotia and PEI is better than Maine btw.  :)

But to your points yes, some people prefer certain cuisines or are allergic to seafood. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 04, 2021, 01:20:52 PM
You realize that this is a matter of opinion, right?

I’m still trying to figure out which countries have under 100,000 people. Vatican City? But not known for restaurants.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 01:23:39 PM
I’m still trying to figure out which countries have under 100,000 people. Vatican City? But not known for restaurants.

Monaco, no brainer
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2021, 01:59:23 PM
I have to say, one of the best meals I’ve EVER had was at Emerils. But 4 of us got out of there for about  $750-$800. That was in 2000.

Coincidentally, the last time we did this it was at Emeril’s in New Orleans. It was outstanding. He had a very reasonably priced prix fixe lunch menu. It was only like $30 each. It was a lot of fun and the kids really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2021, 02:06:59 PM
To be honest, we don't go out to eat much on the Strip.  I don't think we have been there at all since we got here in January.  There are a lot of great options off-strip and you aren't paying tourist prices.  But I understand  wanting to go there if it's only 24 hours.


What type of food are you interested in (steak, italian,etc.)?  What hotel are you staying at?

Yeah, I’m really struggling with the huge premium that we’ll pay if we eat on the strip. We may venture out, but it’s probably not likely. We’re staying at Paris. My daughters really wanted to and the rooms were very reasonable. I know there are a lot of better places — a lot — but it should be good. It’s certainly very centrally located. We’re just planning on mostly walking around, shopping, people watching and very little gambling. So, with so little time, I’m reluctant to leave the strip.

We like pretty much anything with the possible exception of fancy French-type with all the foam and stuff like that. Other than that, though, pretty much anything goes. And it doesn’t have to be too fancy. If there’s a great burger or pizza place, that’s cool too.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 02:08:42 PM
Monaco, no brainer

I'm talking in the USA.  Yes, Monoco would be way up there worldwide.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2021, 02:09:03 PM
Warriorchick is right.  The best restaurants are off the strip.  There are several good Steakhouses, Mexican, Japanese, and Bulgarian places.  The place I would recommend would be Marrakesh if you like Morrocan/Mediterranean cuisine.  It's not too far from the strip.

That is intriguing. I’ll look it up. Thank you. We love trying different types of places and food.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
That is intriguing. I%u2019ll look it up. Thank you. We love trying different types of places and food.

That place was excellent and a really good value.  Very close to the strip, like a 5 min uber/cab.  They do a 6 course price-fixe for like $50.  They also have a number of Bulgarian restaurants that aren't extraordinary or flashy but kind of interesting.  Good beer and often live music....at least they did before covid.

marrakechvegas.com

bgbistro.com
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 02:18:08 PM
Yeah, I’m really struggling with the huge premium that we’ll pay if we eat on the strip. We may venture out, but it’s probably not likely. We’re staying at Paris. My daughters really wanted to and the rooms were very reasonable. I know there are a lot of better places — a lot — but it should be good. It’s certainly very centrally located. We’re just planning on mostly walking around, shopping, people watching and very little gambling. So, with so little time, I’m reluctant to leave the strip.

Honestly, you’ll enjoy it.  Paris is among the newer of those mid strip hotels, besides the City Center set with Cosmo/Aria/etc.  And while it’s a bit “dated” compared to some of the glitzier names, the old school French/Parisian style and decor of the hotel and the rooms helps.  The location on the Strip is fantastic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 04, 2021, 03:28:44 PM
Yeah, I’m really struggling with the huge premium that we’ll pay if we eat on the strip. We may venture out, but it’s probably not likely. We’re staying at Paris. My daughters really wanted to and the rooms were very reasonable. I know there are a lot of better places — a lot — but it should be good. It’s certainly very centrally located. We’re just planning on mostly walking around, shopping, people watching and very little gambling. So, with so little time, I’m reluctant to leave the strip.

We like pretty much anything with the possible exception of fancy French-type with all the foam and stuff like that. Other than that, though, pretty much anything goes. And it doesn’t have to be too fancy. If there’s a great burger or pizza place, that’s cool too.

Thanks.

I actually like Mon Ami Gabi at Paris.  Yes, it's a Melman restaurant, but the food is decent and reasonably priced.  If you can get a table that has views of the Bellagio fountain (indoors or outdoors), it's totally worth it.

A few off-strip suggestions:

For an old-school Vegas steak experience, I like Herbs and Rye.  Classic cocktails, red naugahyde booths, good food.  And during happy hour, the steaks are half-price.

http://www.herbsandrye.com/

My favorite Italian place for the price is Capo's.  It's got an old-school mobster vibe.  You enter the restaurant through a secret door.  They usually have live piano music with a guy singing Sinatra songs.  Your party is big enough that you may be able to score the VIP table, which is on a raised platform in a corner  (but with a clear view of the front door, natch).

http://www.caposrestaurant.com/specials.html

My favorite farm-to-table place is a place called Honey Salt.  Not super fancy, but the food is great.

https://www.honeysalt.com/

All these places are 5-15 minutes from the strip.  Wherever you go, be sure to get a reservation, especially if you want to request the special seating. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 04, 2021, 03:36:35 PM
Best Mexican in town and actually quite close by car/Uber from Paris.

http://www.bonitomichoacan.com/
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 04, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
I'm talking in the USA.  Yes, Monoco would be way up there worldwide.

I was just poking fun at the way the question was written.  ;D City in a country with less than 100k.

And D’oh, of course Monaco. Steph would be so disappointed I forgot her country.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 04:16:36 PM
I was just poking fun at the way the question was written.  ;D City in a country with less than 100k.

And D%u2019oh, of course Monaco. Steph would be so disappointed I forgot her country.

I would think Bernuda could be up there? 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 06:14:11 PM
I'm talking in the USA.  Yes, Monoco would be way up there worldwide.

Naperville?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2021, 07:00:49 PM
I'm talking in the USA.  Yes, Monoco would be way up there worldwide.


Whitefish, Montana, or maybe Aspen?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 07:12:56 PM

Whitefish, Montana, or maybe Aspen?

Aspen is the best guess yet.  I am just stunned Goooo no one has gotten it.  I can't even give a hint, it would give it away. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 04, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
Aspen is the best guess yet.  I am just stunned Goooo no one has gotten it.  I can't even give a hint, it would give it away.

Franklin TN or Decatur GA?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 07:50:26 PM
Franklin TN or Decatur GA?

Nope.  These are the only mini hints I can give:

It is not a suburb of a major city.

It's conceivable people think it's larger than 100K.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
Are you implying Charleston is less than 100K?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
Are you implying Charleston is less than 100K?

No, but that's a great guess and a fabulous food city. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 08:06:53 PM
Aspen is the best guess yet.  I am just stunned Goooo no one has gotten it.  I can't even give a hint, it would give it away.

Rochester?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 08:12:30 PM
Rochester?

Nope.

It appears you all are really struggling. 

I guess I will just give it away.

Per capita there are an enormous amount of artists and restaurants.

So people vacation in the area.  It's popular enough to have Four Seasons type resorts.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 04, 2021, 08:29:42 PM
Are you implying Charleston is less than 100K?
This was my thought as well but slightly too large. Really though, one of the best small cities in the U.S.  Savannah is up there too but has a fun nasty streak.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
This was my thought as well but slightly too large. Really though, one of the best small cities in the U.S.  Savannah is up there too but has a fun nasty streak.

I agree on both counts.  My Aunt and Uncle are retired in Hilton Head, SC.  I really enjoy both Charleston and Savannah and have been fortunate to spend some time in both places.  They looked seriously at Charleston but prime-time property there I guess was too much.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 08:53:11 PM
Aspen is the best guess yet.  I am just stunned Goooo no one has gotten it.  I can't even give a hint, it would give it away.

I said Rochester because you typed Goooo in your sentence.

A serious guess is Santa Fe.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 04, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
Funny, I was going to say SantaFe, when you said you might think it is larger.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:09:14 PM
I said Rochester because you typed Goooo in your sentence.

A serious guess is Santa Fe.

Bam!!!  You got it Ziggy!!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
Funny, I was going to say SantaFe, when you said you might think it is larger.

Only 88k population.  I had to look it up.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
Bam!!!  You got it Ziggy!!

Swing by GRRM's theater and tell him to finish the Goddamn book.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:50:36 PM
Swing by GRRM's theater and tell him to finish the Goddamn book.

I'll give him a call because the theater is still closed.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 04, 2021, 09:51:27 PM
I'll give him a call because the theater is still closed.  :)

might have to head to the hills. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:54:28 PM
might have to head to the hills.

My primary focus will be Sopapillas so remind me closer to May 15th.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on April 04, 2021, 09:55:43 PM
Funny, I was going to say SantaFe, when you said you might think it is larger.

ZFB said what now?

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Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 05, 2021, 05:24:08 AM
I agree on both counts.  My Aunt and Uncle are retired in Hilton Head, SC.  I really enjoy both Charleston and Savannah and have been fortunate to spend some time in both places.  They looked seriously at Charleston but prime-time property there I guess was too much.

Both are fun places.  I've been multiple times to each.  Nothing like grabbing a beer in Savannah and walking around town.  Just like in "Garden" as long as it's in a plastic cup.  We love eating at the Pirate House  Restaurantf or traditional Georgia fare.  It is the actual house where Chapter 1 of Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island takes place.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2021, 09:36:59 AM

I said Rochester because you typed Goooo in your sentence.



We got our first Chick-Fil-A a couple years back....
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 06, 2021, 10:33:26 AM

We got our first Chick-Fil-A a couple years back....

And Chick-Fil-A is average at best. It's no Bojangles.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2021, 12:56:41 PM
And Chick-Fil-A is average at best. It's no Bojangles.



Agree. I've only been to Chick-Fil-A a couple of times, when connecting flights in ATL. Meh. Haven't had any desire to go to the local one...but folks here seem to think it's the bomb. Probably will change when the novelty wears off.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 06, 2021, 01:14:58 PM


Agree. I've only been to Chick-Fil-A a couple of times, when connecting flights in ATL. Meh. Haven't had any desire to go to the local one...but folks here seem to think it's the bomb. Probably will change when the novelty wears off.

Without fail, whenever I am jonesing for Chik-Fil-A, it's Sunday.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on April 06, 2021, 01:26:44 PM
My go to lunches when I am on the road and don't give AF:

1. Big Mac, fries, Diet Coke.  (Value meal #1)
2. Chick-Fil-A, waffle fries, Diet Dr. Pepper
3.  Some burger, tots and chocolate (or strawberry) shake from Sonic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 06, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
My favorite fast food chicken is Raising Cane's.

The bread that comes with it is amazing.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 06, 2021, 01:39:32 PM
Wrong island.

Where you staying in Maui, Chick?

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Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 06, 2021, 03:55:53 PM
My favorite fast food chicken is Raising Cane's.

The bread that comes with it is amazing.

Not a big fan of the chicken itself but the bread and the sauce are great.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2021, 04:23:32 PM
Without fail, whenever I am jonesing for Chik-Fil-A, it's Sunday.


I’ve always thought Chick-fil-A could make a fortune if they set up ‘Sunday’ vending machines across the country that they filled with leftovers from Saturday. They could charge the regular price even though they are cold and a day old.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 06, 2021, 04:41:53 PM

I’ve always thought Chick-fil-A could make a fortune if they set up ‘Sunday’ vending machines across the country that they filled with leftovers from Saturday. They could charge the regular price even though they are cold and a day old.

Certainly not as dumb as their decision to open up a location in the Mercedes Benz Arena in Atlanta - a venue where most of the events (Falcons games) are held on Sunday.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 06, 2021, 05:09:06 PM
My go to on the road lunch is, in order:

1) Culver’s — ain’t none better. Good, tasty lunch is a double butterburger, onion rings and cole slaw. Wished they did beer to finish it.

2) Skyline Chili — Lunch hits about Cincinnati when I go to Florida via the mountains. Unique, not really chili, but tasty.

3) Burger King — Whopper without cheese is the best mass produced burger.

4) Subway — Tuna with salad and yellow peppers and a bag of bbq chips.

5) Panera Bread — wife loves it. Soup is OK. Can eat outside, which is nice when  traveling with a very very spoiled cocker spaniel.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 06, 2021, 06:00:44 PM
My go to on the road lunch is, in order:

1) Culver’s — ain’t none better. Good, tasty lunch is a double butterburger, onion rings and cole slaw. Wished they did beer to finish it.

2) Skyline Chili — Lunch hits about Cincinnati when I go to Florida via the mountains. Unique, not really chili, but tasty.

3) Burger King — Whopper without cheese is the best mass produced burger.

4) Subway — Tuna with salad and yellow peppers and a bag of bbq chips.

5) Panera Bread — wife loves it. Soup is OK. Can eat outside, which is nice when  traveling with a very very spoiled cocker spaniel.

Cardinal fan rot gut
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 06, 2021, 07:43:51 PM
My go to on the road lunch is, in order:

1) Culver’s — ain’t none better. Good, tasty lunch is a double butterburger, onion rings and cole slaw. Wished they did beer to finish it.

2) Skyline Chili — Lunch hits about Cincinnati when I go to Florida via the mountains. Unique, not really chili, but tasty.

3) Burger King — Whopper without cheese is the best mass produced burger.

4) Subway — Tuna with salad and yellow peppers and a bag of bbq chips.

5) Panera Bread — wife loves it. Soup is OK. Can eat outside, which is nice when  traveling with a very very spoiled cocker spaniel.

Chili is dangerous on the road, hey?  Where's your favorite poop stop?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 06, 2021, 07:57:08 PM
DGies, now I see how you maintain that 28-inch waist!   ;D

My roadfood faves in no particular order (depends on the meal and what part of the country we are passing through)

Culvers - 'nuff said

Waffle House - a family breakfast tradition for our family on the way to visit my folks

Cracker Barrel - don't @ me - I grew up a few miles from the original restaurant and the food is pretty damn authentic, given it's a chain - right down to the salty cornbread muffins and the sweet tea.  Also - you can get Goo Goo Clusters in the gift shop.

A&W - good root beer, decent burgers

Captain D's - another childhood memory - 100X  better than Long John Silver's - best fast food fish I have had besides Culver's

I know I don't have many healthy options here, but that's why it's called vacation.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on April 06, 2021, 08:40:45 PM
Arby's.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 06, 2021, 08:52:17 PM
Arby's.

The topic is quick eats. Not fine dining.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 06, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Recently spent a 2 week holiday in Dubai.  It's one of the few places that's "open".  It was never one of my desired holiday places after many business trips there's so I went with low expectations.  Had to do some "medical tourism" and decided to make a holiday of it.

Result:
- very tight COVID controls.  Masks mandatory everywhere, even walking outside
- PCR test on arrival at airport
- JBR area is really nice and walking with a mask is not the end of the world
- Restaurants were also strict
- all attractions were open.  Nothing crowded.
- Within the resort was more relaxed - no masks required in pool and beach areas

Overall it was nice.  Much better than expected. 

Also, it has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 06, 2021, 11:39:07 PM
Recently spent a 2 week holiday in Dubai.  It's one of the few places that's "open".  It was never one of my desired holiday places after many business trips there's so I went with low expectations.  Had to do some "medical tourism" and decided to make a holiday of it.

Result:
- very tight COVID controls.  Masks mandatory everywhere, even walking outside
- PCR test on arrival at airport
- JBR area is really nice and walking with a mask is not the end of the world
- Restaurants were also strict
- all attractions were open.  Nothing crowded.
- Within the resort was more relaxed - no masks required in pool and beach areas

Overall it was nice.  Much better than expected. 

Also, it has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world.

I have a couple work associates that live there and for all the annoyances that come with strict rule, it is beneficial in a time like this.  Less than 10MM in population, tons of money, tons of oversight, basically a template for how to be well resourced to deal with something like this.

Related, the first time I was ever in the UAE, I went through customs in Abu Dhabi.  They are very easy and once you’ve been to Dubai or AD or Sharjah, you’re in the system and you can use E-Gates without further registration.  Well I hadn’t and I went to the counter.  The agent was so surprised and seemingly exasperated that He actually needed to manually clear someone that he made me feel like a massive inconvenience.  Fortunately he was very nice and quick
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: drewm88 on April 07, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
Maui:

Mama's Fish House was the best fish I've ever eaten in my life. Be sure to book your reservation early.

Second the rec of Star Noodle.

People raved to us about Monkeypod. It was good, I'd go back, but seemed like I was missing something--it was just a solid restaurant.

Paia Fish Market is great for a casual meal.

We did about 2/3 of the Road to Hana and turned around. Seemed sufficient to me. Best advice is go early early--can't imagine if we were stuck in a parade that whole drive.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 07, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Heading to Savannah with my fiancé for 3 days at the end of May. I've never been. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 12:06:41 PM
Heading to Savannah with my fiancé for 3 days at the end of May. I've never been. Any recommendations?

Mrs. Wilkes

Alligator Soul

Planter's Tavern
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 07, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
Heading to Savannah with my fiancé for 3 days at the end of May. I've never been. Any recommendations?

My family likes:
The Pirates House Restaurant  (Chapter 1 of RL Stevenson's Treasure Island takes place in this house.)
Moon River Brewing Company
Visit Chippewa Square to see the famous Forrest Gump film spot.  There is no bus stop bench there.  It was added for the movie.
We've taken a Savannah Ghost Tours which was a lot of fun.
Savannah offers those trolley tours that take will cover all the key points of the city.
I like morning runs, so I can visit all the squares around town and Forsyth Park.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2021, 12:33:48 PM
My family likes:
The Pirates House Restaurant  (Chapter 1 of RL Stevenson's Treasure Island takes place in this house.)

Not to call you out, but I don't think this is true.  I know the restaurant has pages from an early version of the book in the restaurant (maybe on the walls I think) but RLS was Scottish and the start of Treasure Island is near the Bristol Channel in England
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 07, 2021, 02:48:34 PM
Heading to Savannah with my fiancé for 3 days at the end of May. I've never been. Any recommendations?

The haunted bar tour is fun. Pro tip. Do not pre-game. You get a drink at each bar.  ;D

The Old Pink House is a great restaurant, especially if you can get a window seat up stairs.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59a7470e6f4ca3ff9e4ef513/t/5f25d45244abb10a175a9d98/1596314707755/Screen+Shot+2020-08-01+at+4.44.22+PM.png

Tour the cemetery. Timely, in that tons of Spanish Flu epidemic victims are buried there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 07, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
Not to call you out, but I don't think this is true.  I know the restaurant has pages from an early version of the book in the restaurant (maybe on the walls I think) but RLS was Scottish and the start of Treasure Island is near the Bristol Channel in England

https://thepirateshouse.com/history/

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 07, 2021, 02:57:08 PM
Mrs. Wilkes

Alligator Soul

Planter's Tavern
The Olde Pink House blows away Planter's Tavern!  ;D   

Nice choices!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 03:01:43 PM
The Olde Pink House blows away Planter's Tavern!  ;D   

Nice choices!

The Olde Pink is excellent as well.  I had a really good meal at PT but my apologies.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2021, 03:13:13 PM
https://thepirateshouse.com/history/

Yea, seems like some creative liberties by them  :D  All the "connections" or references to Savannah pertaining to RLS or TI come from Savannah tourism sources haha.

Regardless, its a cool spot and Savannah is a very very cool town
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 07, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
Other than Paula Deen's joints, are there any bad restaurants or bars in Savannah?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 07, 2021, 03:33:26 PM
Other than Paula Deen's joints, are there any bad restaurants or bars in Savannah?

No.

Is her place still even open?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 07, 2021, 07:43:00 PM
Going to the Big Island in May. 2 years of Chase Point Hoarding means vacation time.

Anyone ever been with recommendations?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 07, 2021, 07:48:31 PM
The Olde Pink is excellent as well.  I had a really good meal at PT but my apologies.

I was just kidding, because iirc, they have the same menu, share the same kitchen, don't they?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 08:53:01 PM
I was just kidding, because iirc, they have the same menu, share the same kitchen, don't they?

Oh....you're right!!  I guess my memory is failing.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 08, 2021, 09:34:11 PM
DGies, now I see how you maintain that 28-inch waist!   ;D

My roadfood faves in no particular order (depends on the meal and what part of the country we are passing through)

Waffle House - a family breakfast tradition for our family on the way to visit my folks

Cracker Barrel - don't @ me - I grew up a few miles from the original restaurant and the food is pretty damn authentic, given it's a chain - right down to the salty cornbread muffins and the sweet tea.  Also - you can get Goo Goo Clusters

First of all, I’m flattered you noticed  ;D

Sorry, any chain restaurant that has two locations at every freeway interchange in the Southeast leaves me wondering. Not to mention that Waffle House fare scares me.

Cracker Barrel is a Nashville institution the way Minnie Pearl’s fried chicken is. Better known for how fast it comes out rather than how slow it goes in.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 08, 2021, 09:52:12 PM
First of all, I’m flattered you noticed  ;D

Sorry, any chain restaurant that has two locations at every freeway interchange in the Southeast leaves me wondering. Not to mention that Waffle House fare scares me.

Cracker Barrel is a Nashville institution the way Minnie Pearl’s fried chicken is. Better known for how fast it comes out rather than how slow it goes in.

You can get a togo styrofoam cup of grits from Waffle House. At least you could 20 years ago. Grab a spoon, a pad of butter, and a packet of sugar and you're good to go!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 08, 2021, 10:07:47 PM
You can get a togo styrofoam cup of grits from Waffle House. At least you could 20 years ago. Grab a spoon, a pad of butter, and a packet of sugar and you're good to go!

I lived in the southeast a long time, but not that long!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 09, 2021, 05:48:32 PM
Going to the Big Island in May. 2 years of Chase Point Hoarding means vacation time.

Anyone ever been with recommendations?

The Big Island is absolutely amazing. You should have a blast.

Our whole family enjoyed a tour of a coffee plantation. There are several just a short drive south of the main resort area in Kona. We did the free tour of Greenwell Farms (https://www.greenwellfarms.com/big-island-kona-coffee-tours/), and had a great time.

Volcanos National Park is definitely worth a visit. Lots of excellent sights and walking areas. If you have a chance, take a walking tour into the Thurston Lava Tube. I believe we found out about that at the ranger station in the park.

Finally, if you enjoy horseback riding, there are many great places north of the Kona area. We did Painolo Adventures (https://www.panioloadventures.com/index.php) with our kids. I have also heard that Waipi’o on Horseback (https://waipioonhorseback.com/) is phenomenal (great trails into the lush Waipi’o Valley), but was afraid that the three-hour excursions might be a little long for our kids.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 09, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Going to the Big Island in May. 2 years of Chase Point Hoarding means vacation time.

Anyone ever been with recommendations?

I have a close friend who has a house on the Big Island and I have been lucky enough to go almost every year the past decade.  There are wide ranges of activities and quite a bit to cover if you want to see everything.  Because some of these attractions are far apart you sort of have to pick and choose if you have limited time.  I could give you a number of suggestions but perhaps it would be best to send me a personal message.  I will just say point blank that while they are not close to the major resorts seeing the stars on top of Mauna Kea, the green sand beach, and the Waipio Valley are absolute must sees  along with the Volcanoes National Park.  Sadly you will not be there during whale season but you'll still have a blast. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 09, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
Great suggestions Muggs.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on April 09, 2021, 11:40:18 PM
How about Sanibel/Captiva? Heading down in a few weeks. Bonus points for great fish tacos, local breweries, decent espresso, places that have solid menus while accommodating my somewhat picky-eating kindergartner, & day to day activities (though I’m good on the beach the full week). 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 09, 2021, 11:49:05 PM
How about Sanibel/Captiva? Heading down in a few weeks. Bonus points for great fish tacos, local breweries, decent espresso, places that have solid menus while accommodating my somewhat picky-eating kindergartner, & day to day activities (though I’m good on the beach the full week).

It's been years and years but cheeburger cheeburger is a must hit.

Bring water shoes, the beaches are all shells.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 10, 2021, 01:04:06 AM
Great suggestions Muggs.

Ty.  The easiest thing to remember about the Big Island is that the two most popular areas, Waikoloa/Kailua-Kona, are the least interesting.  Unless you want to just lay on the beaches or golf.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 10, 2021, 08:28:53 AM
Ty.  The easiest thing to remember about the Big Island is that the two most popular areas, Waikoloa/Kailua-Kona, are the least interesting.  Unless you want to just lay on the beaches or golf.

Thanks for the tips everyone.

Muggs - sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 10, 2021, 08:32:37 AM
Ty.  The easiest thing to remember about the Big Island is that the two most popular areas, Waikoloa/Kailua-Kona, are the least interesting.  Unless you want to just lay on the beaches or golf.

This. Visit the town of Hilo or the little towns north of it. Hike through the nearby rainforest.
Not sure if the volcano is active, but seeing it at night if it is is spectacular.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on April 10, 2021, 08:42:49 AM
It's been years and years but cheeburger cheeburger is a must hit.

Bring water shoes, the beaches are all shells.

The Mucky Duck on Captiva is a long standing tradition. Gets crowded though. Spectacular views.
Renting a kayak and paddling through Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge is nice if you like that.

Doc Ford’s restaurants, one on Sanibel, one on Captiva are good. Owner is local author Randy Wayne White, who writes novels similar to John MacDonald. About a former CIA turned marine biologist living in the area. Good and appropriate  beach reading material for your visit.

Order a blackened fish sandwich somewhere and try fish dip (Florida version of chips and salsa)

One last suggestion for a Floridian must do. Lunch at Cabbage Key. It is accessible only by boat. Family owned small resort. So you need to hitch a ride. I think there are still a bunch of places that will shuttle you out there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 10, 2021, 10:05:36 AM
This. Visit the town of Hilo or the little towns north of it. Hike through the nearby rainforest.
Not sure if the volcano is active, but seeing it at night if it is is spectacular.

We're flying into Hilo and spending the first 3 days on that side of the island and the volcano park. We'll head to the northwest side then for 5 days and fly out of Kona.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 10, 2021, 10:42:16 AM
We're flying into Hilo and spending the first 3 days on that side of the island and the volcano park. We'll head to the northwest side then for 5 days and fly out of Kona.

I just sent you a message, hope you got it.

Great job flying into Hilo but returning from Kona.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 10, 2021, 12:50:11 PM
We're flying into Hilo and spending the first 3 days on that side of the island and the volcano park. We'll head to the northwest side then for 5 days and fly out of Kona.


If you are at all into botanical gardens, the Hawaii Tropical Bioreserve and Garden just north of Hilo is amazing.

https://htbg.com/

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on April 10, 2021, 01:21:12 PM

If you are at all into botanical gardens, the Hawaii Tropical Bioreserve and Garden just north of Hilo is amazing.

https://htbg.com/

Great spot.  The Hamakua coast is beautiful and often ignored by travelers. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Marquette Gyros on April 10, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
The Mucky Duck on Captiva is a long standing tradition. Gets crowded though. Spectacular views.
Renting a kayak and paddling through Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge is nice if you like that.

Doc Ford’s restaurants, one on Sanibel, one on Captiva are good. Owner is local author Randy Wayne White, who writes novels similar to John MacDonald. About a former CIA turned marine biologist living in the area. Good and appropriate  beach reading material for your visit.

Order a blackened fish sandwich somewhere and try fish dip (Florida version of chips and salsa)

One last suggestion for a Floridian must do. Lunch at Cabbage Key. It is accessible only by boat. Family owned small resort. So you need to hitch a ride. I think there are still a bunch of places that will shuttle you out there.

Thanks for the Sanibel Scoop!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 22, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 22, 2021, 02:52:54 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.

KFC
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 22, 2021, 03:12:06 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.

Porcini's back room is delish.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: tower912 on April 22, 2021, 03:24:18 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.
Papa John's.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 22, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Eating fettucine at Vincenzos
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 22, 2021, 04:09:32 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.

My one and visit to Louisville about 5 years ago I took a tour of Churchill Downs.  Very cool.
It was closed, but I stopped anyway at the Muhammad Ali Center.  It's right on the riverfront and has a viewing platform of the river.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 22, 2021, 05:20:12 PM
Any must dos or restaurant recommendations in Louisville? Headed there this weekend. Only two full days.

Momma's Mustard, Pickles & BBQ (https://mommasbbq.com/) -- I love that place. Great KC-style BBQ (the owner is a transplant).

Also, we really enjoyed our tour of the Louisville Slugger factory.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 22, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Also, we really enjoyed our tour of the Louisville Slugger factory.

James Breeding, longtime BE official, was the COO of Louisville Slugger. He is now with Northwestern Mutual.

His officiating in MU games has improved for some reason.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 22, 2021, 07:08:38 PM
KFC

The first KFC was actually in Corbin, KY, southeast part of the state.

Doc Crows is really good.  For all of the jokes, Porcini's has really good food.  The Library Bar in the Omni hotel has a great bourbon selection.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 23, 2021, 09:15:52 AM
Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: The Lens on April 23, 2021, 10:20:26 AM
Friends just did the Buffalo Trace tour and raved about it (even for kids).  It fills up tho so make a ressy.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Badgerhater on April 23, 2021, 11:51:24 AM
Anticipating attending the BET next March and locked in a room for under $100 a night—able to cancel.   Never seen hotel rooms there so cheap.

Lock something in now and cancel if plans change.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: PBRme on April 23, 2021, 01:28:20 PM
Have not been there is a while but used to stay at the Brown Hotel.  Great little bar with huge bourbon selection.  Very historic.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 23, 2021, 03:29:38 PM
I've got travel issues right now because a certain Jesuit institution went from telling us that there would be a virtual commencement on "commencement weekend" to telling us that there might be an in-person commencement to telling us yesterday that there will, in fact, be an in-person commencement. That's fantastic! Just one thing -- the in-person commencement will be on Monday, May 24 -- the day after "commencement weekend." Unfortunately, we had planned our family vacation beginning with flights in the early morning on May 24. We're scrambling. A lot.

While I am genuinely thrilled that my daughter will have an in-person commencement, I find it remarkable that they would schedule it for the Monday after "commencement weekend" without so much as a single word acknowledging that this likely significantly affects the travel plans of many attending (if not most).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 23, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
Have not been there is a while but used to stay at the Brown Hotel.  Great little bar with huge bourbon selection.  Very historic.

I said Omni previously but PBR is right, the Brown has the Library, a great bourbon bar and a speakeasy with a bowling alley.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 26, 2021, 10:01:45 PM
So today, Glow and I were hiking down from the Delicate Arch in Arches National Park, and a fortyish woman going the other direction saw my hoodie and said, "Go, Marquette!" When we asked her what her connection was, she said, "Al McGuire was my grandpa".

Turns out that she is the daughter of Al's middle child. She doesn't live in the area anymore and doesn't get back much. But she was there for the Al's dedication and was very happy to hear how much he is still revered.

She was born after Al retired from coaching, so she remembers him mostly as a TV commentator, career-wise. She said he would do special signals on-air to say "hello" to her.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2021, 10:34:01 PM
So today, Glow and I were hiking down from the Delicate Arch in Arches National Park, and a fortyish woman going the other direction saw my hoodie and said, "Go, Marquette!" When we asked her what her connection was, she said, "Al McGuire was my grandpa".

Turns out that she is the daughter of Al's middle child. She doesn't live in the area anymore and doesn't get back much. But she was there for the Al's dedication and was very happy to hear how much he is still revered.

She was born after Al retired from coaching, so she remembers him mostly as a TV commentator, career-wise. She said he would do special signals on-air to say "hello" to her.

That's a real cool story, chick ... and even better if "hiking down from the Delicate Arch" is you and glow's version of Mark Sanford's "hiking the Appalachian Trail."
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 26, 2021, 10:45:08 PM
That's a real cool story, chick ... and even better if "hiking down from the Delicate Arch" is you and glow's version of Mark Sanford's "hiking the Appalachian Trail."
Ha, no.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 27, 2021, 10:22:13 AM
So today, Glow and I were hiking down from the Delicate Arch in Arches National Park, and a fortyish woman going the other direction saw my hoodie and said, "Go, Marquette!" When we asked her what her connection was, she said, "Al McGuire was my grandpa".

Turns out that she is the daughter of Al's middle child. She doesn't live in the area anymore and doesn't get back much. But she was there for the Al's dedication and was very happy to hear how much he is still revered.

She was born after Al retired from coaching, so she remembers him mostly as a TV commentator, career-wise. She said he would do special signals on-air to say "hello" to her.
Hope you took a selfie with her.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 27, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
Anybody have a good recommendation for a day trip from Chicago? a cute suburb that's unique (local business outnumbering chains) or a small town that's close enough I could still get back home at the end of the day?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 27, 2021, 11:29:18 AM
Anybody have a good recommendation for a day trip from Chicago? a cute suburb that's unique (local business outnumbering chains) or a small town that's close enough I could still get back home at the end of the day?

Saugatuck is only like 2 hours from Chicago. We escaped up to there during last summer and rented a house for a bit. Lots of local restaurants. Really recommend The Southerner. Not sure how unique it all is, but it is quaint and charming. Holland, MI is another decent bet for walking around and hitting a few local spots (and only a few miles north of Saugatuck).

Not sure if that's what you're looking for in terms of distance.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on April 27, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Anybody have a good recommendation for a day trip from Chicago? a cute suburb that's unique (local business outnumbering chains) or a small town that's close enough I could still get back home at the end of the day?

A couple of ideas:

1) Lake Geneva -- The ultimate Chicago local road trip. Lots of interesting stores, quaint and a nice lake to boot. Lots of tourists on a summer weekend.

2) Galena -- Have to get up early and be back late, but this is the outer limits of a day trip. Ultra quaint downtown and decent restaurants. If you want more, a much improving Dubuque is 12 miles away.

3) Milwaukee -- Beside stopping at MU, there's kayaking on the Milwaukee River, the beach is less crowded and the shops can be fun.

4) Indiana Dunes -- Nice beaches. No quaint towns (unless Gary qualifies).
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 27, 2021, 11:34:21 AM
Saugatuck is only like 2 hours from Chicago. We escaped up to there during last summer and rented a house for a bit. Lots of local restaurants. Really recommend The Southerner. Not sure how unique it all is, but it is quaint and charming. Holland, MI is another decent bet for walking around and hitting a few local spots (and only a few miles north of Saugatuck).

Not sure if that's what you're looking for in terms of distance.

That's pushing it for just a day trip but something I'd certainly consider for the future!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 27, 2021, 11:37:23 AM
A couple of ideas:

1) Lake Geneva -- The ultimate Chicago local road trip. Lots of interesting stores, quaint and a nice lake to boot. Lots of tourists on a summer weekend.

2) Galena -- Have to get up early and be back late, but this is the outer limits of a day trip. Ultra quaint downtown and decent restaurants. If you want more, a much improving Dubuque is 12 miles away.

3) Milwaukee -- Beside stopping at MU, there's kayaking on the Milwaukee River, the beach is less crowded and the shops can be fun.

4) Indiana Dunes -- Nice beaches. No quaint towns (unless Gary qualifies).

1) My uncle had a house on Lilly lake, 10min from Lake Geneva. So many a memory in lake Geneva but I haven't been back since I could check out a bar or two!

2) same with Galena, we used to stay at that Irish pub/hotel and go skiing but haven't been since I could check out a brewery or really appreciate the local food.

3) My fiancé moved back to MKE b/c schools are in person so that ones happening either way!

4) I have actually never done the dunes, never even occurred to me.

Thanks!!! These are definitely within the "day trip" radius I was looking for.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 27, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
Anybody have a good recommendation for a day trip from Chicago? a cute suburb that's unique (local business outnumbering chains) or a small town that's close enough I could still get back home at the end of the day?

Fennville / Saugatuck, MI.

Virtue Cider. Wineries. A few breweries. Great restaurants. 2 hours each way from Chicago.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on April 27, 2021, 02:45:34 PM
Saugatuck is only like 2 hours from Chicago. We escaped up to there during last summer and rented a house for a bit. Lots of local restaurants. Really recommend The Southerner. Not sure how unique it all is, but it is quaint and charming. Holland, MI is another decent bet for walking around and hitting a few local spots (and only a few miles north of Saugatuck).

Not sure if that's what you're looking for in terms of distance.

Southerner is fantastic!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 27, 2021, 03:02:12 PM
Southerner is fantastic!

It really is. I ate there way too much because the house we were at was walking distance from it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 27, 2021, 05:25:50 PM
Anybody have a good recommendation for a day trip from Chicago? a cute suburb that's unique (local business outnumbering chains) or a small town that's close enough I could still get back home at the end of the day?

Is Long Grove still a cute little town or is that all overgrown now?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 27, 2021, 05:37:26 PM
Geneva (not Lake Geneva) has a great restaurant scene. It's on the Fox River so there is some nice outdoor opportunities. It has a great flea market the first weekend of every month if you are into that sort of thing.
It's straight out route 38 from Chicago.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 27, 2021, 05:39:56 PM
Hope you took a selfie with her.

Why would I do that?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 27, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
1) My uncle had a house on Lilly lake, 10min from Lake Geneva. So many a memory in lake Geneva but I haven't been back since I could check out a bar or two!

2) same with Galena, we used to stay at that Irish pub/hotel and go skiing but haven't been since I could check out a brewery or really appreciate the local food.

3) My fiancé moved back to MKE b/c schools are in person so that ones happening either way!

4) I have actually never done the dunes, never even occurred to me.

Thanks!!! These are definitely within the "day trip" radius I was looking for.

Don't forget to go to Leon's during your Milwaukee trip. Far superior to Kopps or Gilles. The butter pecan is indescribably delicious. Don't get the chocolate, for whatever reason it's a little bitter. All other flavors excel though.

Lots of nice forest preserves to hike through if you're into that. I remember going to the one in (or near) Hinsdale a couple of times - very relaxing, shaded, can hike as long or short as you want.

The Graue Mill near Oak Brook is cool. A real working mill, where they grind cornmeal, etc. Feels like you're in yesteryear, and it's impossible to not take a bag of something home with you.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 27, 2021, 07:36:44 PM
Geneva (not Lake Geneva) has a great restaurant scene. It's on the Fox River so there is some nice outdoor opportunities. It has a great flea market the first weekend of every month if you are into that sort of thing.
It's straight out route 38 from Chicago.

Score. Plus St. Charles and Batavia are walkable along the River path. Can take the Metra if in the city.

Long Grove?  No. Cedarburg? Yes.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 27, 2021, 09:22:05 PM
So today, Glow and I were hiking down from the Delicate Arch in Arches National Park, and a fortyish woman going the other direction saw my hoodie and said, "Go, Marquette!" When we asked her what her connection was, she said, "Al McGuire was my grandpa".

Cool story. 

My (former) boss .. one day he tells me, oh, yeah, Al McGuire is my godfather.  --  Crazy that he was a Badger.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on April 28, 2021, 07:12:51 AM
Is Long Grove still a cute little town or is that all overgrown now?

It should be a tollway by now.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2021, 08:20:47 AM
Geneva (not Lake Geneva) has a great restaurant scene. It's on the Fox River so there is some nice outdoor opportunities. It has a great flea market the first weekend of every month if you are into that sort of thing.
It's straight out route 38 from Chicago.

I'd heard that about Geneva before, will definitely have to give it a shot now that's it's been verified!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 28, 2021, 08:37:29 AM
I'd heard that about Geneva before, will definitely have to give it a shot now that's it's been verified!

I used to live reasonably close to it, so PM me if you would like some specific recommendations.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on April 29, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
Anyone arrived in the USA on an international flight recently?  Care to share the experience?  Were there extra COVID-related hassles upon arrival?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on April 29, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Anyone arrived in the USA on an international flight recently?  Care to share the experience?  Were there extra COVID-related hassles upon arrival?

Fiance returned from India in March. Had to submit a negative test within 48 hours of her flight before boarding. No other hassles.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on April 29, 2021, 09:34:43 PM
Anyone arrived in the USA on an international flight recently?  Care to share the experience?  Were there extra COVID-related hassles upon arrival?

Wife and I went to Costa Rica a couple weeks ago.  We stopped by a local clinic to get a rapid test the day before our flight and got results via email in an hour.  Airline employee checked documentation at check-in and that was the extent of it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 16, 2021, 05:21:22 PM
I just downed some Sopapillas at Tomasita's in Santa Fe.  There are just big square puffy pillows of bliss with a little honey and butter.  Whoever invented these things should get some version of the medal of honor.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 16, 2021, 08:46:20 PM
I just downed some Sopapillas at Tomasita's in Santa Fe.  There are just big square puffy pillows of bliss with a little honey and butter.  Whoever invented these things should get some version of the medal of honor.  :)

Didn't they have those at Chi-Chi's?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 16, 2021, 09:41:30 PM
It should be a tollway by now.

Think again, Kimosabe.

After about 40 years of debate, discussion and all around nonsense, the Toll Highway Authority gave up on the North Central Tollway. It's off the maps.

In Illinois, that doesn't mean its dead. But the chance it will happen in our lifetime is zero.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 16, 2021, 10:20:06 PM
Didn't they have those at Chi-Chi's?

I dunno what they had at chi-chi but Sopapillas and Navajo Fry Bread are both outstanding. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 17, 2021, 07:37:27 AM
I just downed some Sopapillas at Tomasita's in Santa Fe.  There are just big square puffy pillows of bliss with a little honey and butter.  Whoever invented these things should get some version of the medal of honor.  :)

Sopapillas are a staple of New Mexican style/variation of Mexican food. Growing up in SW Colorado, that is the variation of Mexican food that I grew up with and still reminds me of home. Green chile and green chile sauce are another main feature of that style food. I'll be in Phoenix in a week...can't wait to have some green chile and sopapillas.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 17, 2021, 07:48:19 AM
What about fried ice cream?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 17, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
What about fried ice cream?

My favorite authentic Mexican food is nachos.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 17, 2021, 09:08:22 AM
Sopapillas are a staple of New Mexican style/variation of Mexican food. Growing up in SW Colorado, that is the variation of Mexican food that I grew up with and still reminds me of home. Green chile and green chile sauce are another main feature of that style food. I'll be in Phoenix in a week...can't wait to have some green chile and sopapillas.

I like the Green Chile sauce as well.   The Red is good too but the Green puts me in a better mood.  I think I'll start my morning off with some Huevos Rancheros before heading up to the Bandelier monument. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on May 17, 2021, 09:17:26 PM
Think again, Kimosabe.

After about 40 years of debate, discussion and all around nonsense, the Toll Highway Authority gave up on the North Central Tollway. It's off the maps.

In Illinois, that doesn't mean its dead. But the chance it will happen in our lifetime is zero.

Well aware on a personal level, thank you.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 20, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
New Zealand thoughts?  What's your itinerary if you had a week?  Ty.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 20, 2021, 11:55:03 PM
New Zealand thoughts?  What's your itinerary if you h ad a week?  Ty.

Double it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 20, 2021, 11:55:22 PM
New Zealand thoughts?  What's your itinerary if you had a week?  Ty.

Just a week?!?!  I spent 3+ on the south island, can't give any advice on the north (other than flying through).  Highlights were Franz Josef/Fox Glacier, Queenstown, Fjordland (Te Anau), Dunedin, Akaroa. It's hard to go wrong there.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 21, 2021, 06:39:41 AM
Ty Ziggy and Rocky.  Ya... I'm hearing a week is nowhere near enough time.  I thought maybe I could hop over there from Canberra later this year but I guess I wasn't thinking too clearly.  Maybe I'll look into Tasmania if I go to the conference. 

I would imagine the best time to be in NZ is Dec-March.? 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 21, 2021, 08:25:01 AM
Double it.

This.
Also, do adventure stuff, they are experts at it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 21, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
I would imagine the best time to be in NZ is Dec-March.?

Depends on how you define "best".  That's probably the best weather, but you'll have to fight the crowds to see things. We went in late September/early October (their spring). And while we had a few rainy cold days, it felt we had the island to ourselves, but most tourist things were open (but most of it is just nature).  Plus, fjordland during the rain is amazing with the spontaneous waterfalls.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 21, 2021, 02:51:48 PM
Depends on how you define "best".  That's probably the best weather, but you'll have to fight the crowds to see things. We went in late September/early October (their spring). And while we had a few rainy cold days, it felt we had the island to ourselves, but most tourist things were open (but most of it is just nature).  Plus, fjordland during the rain is amazing with the spontaneous waterfalls.

Good point Rocky.  I would like the entire country to myself if possible.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 21, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
New Zealand thoughts?  What's your itinerary if you had a week?  Ty.

Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit stuff.  They were all filmed there and the tie-in to Marquette.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on May 22, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
New Zealand thoughts?  What's your itinerary if you had a week?  Ty.

Went in August several years ago.  South Island.  Stayed in Queenstown and skiied all the local resorts.  It was great.  Did some touristy stuff on the lake as well.  Lots of good vineyards not too far to drive as well.

It's like USA in 70's... nothing open on Sunday, most shops close at 5... many towns have one night per week of "late" shopping until 6 or 7 so if you plan to rent a house or apartment or even just drive around you do need to plan your provision stops.  I'd definitely go back.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 27, 2021, 08:22:22 AM
One of our favorite beaches -- Hapuna, on The Big Island -- is named No. 1 by "Dr. Beach."

https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-science-travel-health-coronavirus-pandemic-80008cba38897a7706029251a8d26d9b?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=May26_Morning_Wire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
One of our favorite beaches -- Hapuna, on The Big Island -- is named No. 1 by "Dr. Beach."

https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-science-travel-health-coronavirus-pandemic-80008cba38897a7706029251a8d26d9b?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=May26_Morning_Wire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers

I love Hapuna.  I probably mentioned I have a good friend who lives 10 mins north of there in Kawaihae.  When you go back be sure to stop at the Hale Da Fish shack which is about 8 mins from Hapuna towards Kawaihae and Hawi.  Phenomenal poke and a great assortment of fresh fish and seafood.  You can see them bring in the fish if you go early.  It's a little bitty place but well worth your time.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 27, 2021, 02:37:09 PM
I love Hapuna.  I probably mentioned I have a good friend who lives 10 mins north of there in Kawaihae.  When you go back be sure to stop at the Hale Da Fish shack which is about 8 mins from Hapuna towards Kawaihae and Hawi.  Phenomenal poke and a great assortment of fresh fish and seafood.  You can see them bring in the fish if you go early.  It's a little bitty place but well worth your time.

Good stuff, Muggs.

We go to Hawaii every 3-4 years and kind of rotate our islands. Most recently went to TBI (in 2017), so probably won't get back there for awhile. Our next trip figures to be Maui in 2023, when our Warrior/Eagles play in the tourney there. Plus, we like Kauai best, so we try to spend a few days there on every trip.

We went to TBI the very first time we went to Hawaii, in 1993, to celebrate my parents' 50th anniversary. Hapuna was sensational but, as the writer of that article notes, more than a little dangerous. Our first day there was apparently perfect conditions. We boogie-boarded for hours and had a blast. We had such a good time that we went back the next day, and it was quite treacherous. The waves would sweep us up on our boogie-boards, and then send us crashing down. I landed on my shoulders and back repeatedly, and we later were told that it's quite common for boogie-boarders to suffer concussions there. We went back one more time and were more careful not to ride the waves too high, but my brother and I weren't paying attention to exactly where we were and all of a sudden we looked up and we were way out away from shore. We are both strong swimmers, but we were like, "Uh-oh, this isn't good." Thankfully, a guy came by on a surfboard and asked if we wanted to be towed in. We weren't too proud - we accepted his help.

Back then, Hapuna was totally undeveloped. Now there are  resorts around it. Still beautiful, though.

Damn, I love effen Hawaii!

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 27, 2021, 02:38:42 PM
Recommendations for Minneapolis?

Been more than a couple times but figure I'd see if there's anything people could suggest to peak my interest :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2021, 03:23:27 PM
Good stuff, Muggs.

We go to Hawaii every 3-4 years and kind of rotate our islands. Most recently went to TBI (in 2017), so probably won't get back there for awhile. Our next trip figures to be Maui in 2023, when our Warrior/Eagles play in the tourney there. Plus, we like Kauai best, so we try to spend a few days there on every trip.

We went to TBI the very first time we went to Hawaii, in 1993, to celebrate my parents' 50th anniversary. Hapuna was sensational but, as the writer of that article notes, more than a little dangerous. Our first day there was apparently perfect conditions. We boogie-boarded for hours and had a blast. We had such a good time that we went back the next day, and it was quite treacherous. The waves would sweep us up on our boogie-boards, and then send us crashing down. I landed on my shoulders and back repeatedly, and we later were told that it's quite common for boogie-boarders to suffer concussions there. We went back one more time and were more careful not to ride the waves too high, but my brother and I weren't paying attention to exactly where we were and all of a sudden we looked up and we were way out away from shore. We are both strong swimmers, but we were like, "Uh-oh, this isn't good." Thankfully, a guy came by on a surfboard and asked if we wanted to be towed in. We weren't too proud - we accepted his help.

Back then, Hapuna was totally undeveloped. Now there are  resorts around it. Still beautiful, though.

Damn, I love effen Hawaii!

I'm very fortunate to have spent a lot of time in Hawaii and all of the islands because my friend  is there.  If you need any recommendations let me know.  I'm partial to the Big Island but Kauai is without question the most attractive and easiest to cover.  Personally, I like to stay in Kekaha just West of Poipu.  The North Shore is absolutely gorgeous but it can  pour up there.  Kekaha is probably the least touristy spot, has the best weather on the island, and has a superb beach along with Polahalie which is further West towards Waimea Canyon.  Kekaha Beach, if you're looking for boogie boarding, surfing, or swimming is better than Poipu.  It's never crowded and a lot larger than people realize.  The sunsets there are spectacular.  Because the Island is so small you can still get all the way to the North from there in 1.5 hrs.  Again, Kekaha is the place with the best grocery store on the island in Waimea 5 mins away.   
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 27, 2021, 04:04:16 PM
Recommendations for Minneapolis?

Been more than a couple times but figure I'd see if there's anything people could suggest to peak my interest :)

Hit up beejay's crib.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 27, 2021, 08:19:27 PM
I'm very fortunate to have spent a lot of time in Hawaii and all of the islands because my friend  is there.  If you need any recommendations let me know.  I'm partial to the Big Island but Kauai is without question the most attractive and easiest to cover.  Personally, I like to stay in Kekaha just West of Poipu.  The North Shore is absolutely gorgeous but it can  pour up there.  Kekaha is probably the least touristy spot, has the best weather on the island, and has a superb beach along with Polahalie which is further West towards Waimea Canyon.  Kekaha Beach, if you're looking for boogie boarding, surfing, or swimming is better than Poipu.  It's never crowded and a lot larger than people realize.  The sunsets there are spectacular.  Because the Island is so small you can still get all the way to the North from there in 1.5 hrs.  Again, Kekaha is the place with the best grocery store on the island in Waimea 5 mins away.

I was fortunate enough to live in Hawaii for three years back in the 90s. Big island is by far my favorite. Much laxer rules back then. We walked on ground that didn’t exist just days before. Somewhere I have a picture standing on ground where you could still see red hot glowing earth through a crack in the rock.
Kauai is gorgeous beyond words. Napali coast is quite rainy. Don’t go hiking if it’s raining. Same is true for many parts of the islands.
One time we went over to Kauai for the day just to hike the Napali coast, raining on the flight over, sprinkling as we headed that way. Saw an amazing waterfalls the way in the distance , wondered if we’d see it up close. Debated about the go no go decision to hike as we drove to the trail head. As we turned the corner of the only road to the trailhead, we saw the decision was made for us, as the outflow of the earlier waterfall was pouring across the road making it impassable. Sucked for us, but not nearly as much as it did for the people trapped on the other side as there was no other way out. Wonder how long they ended up stuck there.
We did an amazing hike in the center of the island, drinks and food on a beach front bar, then home to Oahu.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2021, 09:14:05 PM
I was fortunate enough to live in Hawaii for three years back in the 90s. Big island is by far my favorite. Much laxer rules back then. We walked on ground that didn’t exist just days before. Somewhere I have a picture standing on ground where you could still see red hot glowing earth through a crack in the rock.
Kauai is gorgeous beyond words. Napali coast is quite rainy. Don’t go hiking if it’s raining. Same is true for many parts of the islands.
One time we went over to Kauai for the day just to hike the Napali coast, raining on the flight over, sprinkling as we headed that way. Saw an amazing waterfalls the way in the distance , wondered if we’d see it up close. Debated about the go no go decision to hike as we drove to the trail head. As we turned the corner of the only road to the trailhead, we saw the decision was made for us, as the outflow of the earlier waterfall was pouring across the road making it impassable. Sucked for us, but not nearly as much as it did for the people trapped on the other side as there was no other way out. Wonder how long they ended up stuck there.
We did an amazing hike in the center of the island, drinks and food on a beach front bar, then home to Oahu.

I'm totally with you and that's awesome that you got to live there for three years.  Your description is exactly right.  To witness the earth changing in front of you ,and walk on beaches, that didn't exist a day before is indescribably amazing.  Truthfully, despite my bias, I just think the Big Island has by far the most to see and do.  And for vastly different interest levels.  There are really beautiful spots but they're generally not in touristy areas at all.  That's probably what Iike the most: outside of Kailua-Kona, Waikoloa, and the Volcanoes Park, the Big Island actually isn't touristy at all.  Personally I like Maui the least despite the beauty of the island. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 27, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Big Island is my favorite.
I agree with you on Maui. My least favorite. That being said, it’s like which is your least favorite car between a Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari and Bentley. All are amazing.
If you have one shot at Hawaii and just want to experience “Hawaii” Maui is a good choice, it’s like a sample platter. Volcano, check, beautiful beaches, check, amazing golf, check, waterfalls, check.
Everyone that says Oahu is too crowded, touristy, hasn’t gone off the beaten track or gone to locals places. Hike through bamboo forests, have  Haunama bay all to yourself by going at the end of the day, plate lunches, real shave ice in Kailua, gorgeous local beaches in Waimanalo, the original Roy’s restaurant in Hawaii Kai far from tourists, malasada donuts at Leonard’s.

And yes, I did spend way too much money for a couple trips down the mountain, but I can say I’ve snow skied Hawaii.  ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2021, 09:36:32 PM
Big Island is my favorite.
I agree with you on Maui. My least favorite. That being said, it’s like which is your least favorite car between a Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari and Bentley. All are amazing.
If you have one shot at Hawaii and just want to experience “Hawaii” Maui is a good choice, it’s like a sample platter. Volcano, check, beautiful beaches, check, amazing golf, check, waterfalls, check.
Everyone that says Oahu is too crowded, touristy, hasn’t gone off the beaten track or gone to locals places. Hike through bamboo forests, have  Haunama bay all to yourself by going at the end of the day, plate lunches, real shave ice in Kailua, gorgeous local beaches in Waimanalo, the original Roy’s restaurant in Hawaii Kai far from tourists, malasada donuts at Leonard’s.

And yes, I did spend way too much money for a couple trips down the mountain, but I can say I’ve snow skied Hawaii.  ;D

No doubt. Your sports car analogy is spot-on. Molokai is absolutely gorgeous as well.  Highest sea cliffs in the world I believe.  I just think the Big I is by far the most interesting.  I even like Hilo despite the rain.  But most of all the humpback whales are beyond words.  If I could just get off the ground like they can from the water.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 27, 2021, 11:06:04 PM
I appreciate the conversation, Muggs and pbi. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

One of the many things I love about the islands is that you can be touristy if you want to, or you can get away from it all if you want to ... and either choice is beautiful.

Thanks Muggs for the info on Kekaha. We’ll definitely check it out next time on Kauai.

My favorite spot is Queen’s Bath - I told my family that’s where I want my ashes spread after I’m gone.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 27, 2021, 11:20:52 PM
I hadn’t read this thread in a while, just booked a two week trip with the family back to the islands for February.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2021, 11:37:22 PM
I appreciate the conversation, Muggs and pbi. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

One of the many things I love about the islands is that you can be touristy if you want to, or you can get away from it all if you want to ... and either choice is beautiful.

Thanks Muggs for the info on Kekaha. We’ll definitely check it out next time on Kauai.

My favorite spot is Queen’s Bath - I told my family that’s where I want my ashes spread after I’m gone.

Queen's Bath is a phenomenal spot.  Love that place.  Part of my fondness for Kekaha may be personal preference but it's absolutely the best weather location on the Island.  It's certainly isolated but yet you have everything you need there and it's so peaceful.  All I can tell you is I would wake up, cross the street, and paddleboard off a pristine beach every day.   The six of us rented a 4 bedroom house, across from this beach, about 4000 square feet, 2017, for $450 a night.  The Hyatt in Poipu was like $850 a night.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 12:06:04 AM
I hadn’t read this thread in a while, just booked a two week trip with the family back to the islands for February.

Which parts of which islands, Dish?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 12:16:29 AM
Queen's Bath is a phenomenal spot.  Love that place.  Part of my fondness for Kekaha may be personal preference but it's absolutely the best weather location on the Island.  It's certainly isolated but yet you have everything you need there and it's so peaceful.  All I can tell you is I would wake up, cross the street, and paddleboard off a pristine beach every day.   The six of us rented a 4 bedroom house, across from this beach, about 4000 square feet, 2017, for $450 a night.  The Hyatt in Poipu was like $850 a night.

Someday, I'll tell you about my near demise at Queen's Bath.

We've stayed at the Marriott timeshare on Poipu a couple times (Waiohai Beach Club). Also have stayed up in Princeville and near Kalapaki Beach. In addition to Queen's Bath, we really love Waimea Canyon State Park. Once upon a time, we wanted to do the hike to Napali, but I think that kind of rugged hike is out of our wheelhouse now.

Can't wait to get back in 2023 ... though this conversation is making me think we need to do an interim trip before then!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 12:27:48 AM
Someday, I'll tell you about my near demise at Queen's Bath.

We've stayed at the Marriott timeshare on Poipu a couple times (Waiohai Beach Club). Also have stayed up in Princeville and near Kalapaki Beach. In addition to Queen's Bath, we really love Waimea Canyon State Park. Once upon a time, we wanted to do the hike to Napali, but I think that kind of rugged hike is out of our wheelhouse now.

Can't wait to get back in 2023 ... though this conversation is making me think we need to do an interim trip before then!

The Napali Coast hike has it's challenges.  It's best to be safe if you have some trepidation.  The 4 mile isn't all that difficult so I'm sure you can manage.  It would be a breeze if you were an Ibex.  :) 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 28, 2021, 01:34:16 AM
Which parts of which islands, Dish?

I have a soft spot for Wailea, as do my parents and siblings. 14 of us headed there for a week. My wife/kids have always wanted to go to Disney’s Aulani, so we’re spending a week there as well.

PS - I’ll be broke for a while.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 08:06:18 AM
I have a soft spot for Wailea, as do my parents and siblings. 14 of us headed there for a week. My wife/kids have always wanted to go to Disney’s Aulani, so we’re spending a week there as well.

PS - I’ll be broke for a while.

Eh ... it's only money. As I get (only a little) older, I am realizing that experiences matter a whole lot more than "stuff," and experiences with our families matter most of all.

What's not to love about Wailea? Great beaches and all the pampering one can afford!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 28, 2021, 08:33:06 AM
I have a soft spot for Wailea, as do my parents and siblings. 14 of us headed there for a week. My wife/kids have always wanted to go to Disney’s Aulani, so we’re spending a week there as well.

PS - I’ll be broke for a while.

Have a buddy whose at Aulani right now. He’s absolutely loving life.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 28, 2021, 08:51:30 AM
Eh ... it's only money. As I get (only a little) older, I am realizing that experiences matter a whole lot more than "stuff," and experiences with our families matter most of all.

What's not to love about Wailea? Great beaches and all the pampering one can afford!

Oh totally agree with you. I should have added some context. I’ve got 3 kids, and when we went to Wailea in 2019, we got a decent sized suite and made it work with 5 of us. My twins will be almost 12 on next year’s trip and add a 7 year old, and from a comfort level, we’ve reached the point of needing two rooms now on trips.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
Oh totally agree with you. I should have added some context. I’ve got 3 kids, and when we went to Wailea in 2019, we got a decent sized suite and made it work with 5 of us. My twins will be almost 12 on next year’s trip and add a 7 year old, and from a comfort level, we’ve reached the point of needing two rooms now on trips.

Sounds like fun. Expensive fun, but fun nonetheless!

My son is father to twin boys who will turn 2 in August, and man that's a lot of work!! So my hat is off to you!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on May 28, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
Eh ... it's only money. As I get (only a little) older, I am realizing that experiences matter a whole lot more than "stuff," and experiences with our families matter most of all.

That was one of the most illuminating tidbits of advice my Dad ever gave me in my young adulthood.  Obviously its not based in "accumulate debt/be reckless", but when it comes to money you have, when looking at trips or memories on those trips.   Spend the extra $100 for the room upgrade, spend $$ on an excursion you're not sure about, splurge for that dinner at the restaurant all the locals rave about...you'll remember it far more than anything you'll gain from taking that extra cash home with you.

I remember a trip to Disney as a kid.  We had never stayed near the parks, for good reason, cause it was absurdly expensive and we stayed an entire long weekend for the cost of a night at one hotel.   But for one of my younger sister's first trip, my Dad booked us at the Contemporary (with the monorail running through it) and I thought my head was gonna explode as we pulled up.  Its a vivid memory 25 years later. 

Later we went on a trip to Amalfi as a family.  Were gonna take a ferry to Capri for the day.  My sisters convinced my Dad to charter a boat with a captain for the day to cruise us all around, including stopping on Capri.  I could see my Dad wince as he handed the credit card to run it, but it was an incredible day, incredible memories, and I know he never regretted it for a minute.

Memories & Experiences>>>>
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 28, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
Oh totally agree with you. I should have added some context. I’ve got 3 kids, and when we went to Wailea in 2019, we got a decent sized suite and made it work with 5 of us. My twins will be almost 12 on next year’s trip and add a 7 year old, and from a comfort level, we’ve reached the point of needing two rooms now on trips.

When my kids were young and I had a ton of hotel points, our VP said enjoy it, soon you will have to get multiple rooms or do air b&b. At the time, vrbo and air b&b were somewhat new. I dismissed it.
Now, we hardly ever do hotels, but mostly air b&b, vrbos, etc. Much more comfortable. Hotels are always two rooms now and my points total have dwindled considerably.  >:(
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 28, 2021, 02:58:57 PM
Confirmed my wife's and mine's trip to Italy. Going in October for 12 days. Positives are that neither of us expects much in the way of crowds for most of the trip (Rome probably will be an exception). Negatives are that we sure hope the Covid-19 hangover is gone and that stores etc., are open.

Probably will spend time in Rome, Tuscany and Venice. Rome is marginal while Tuscany is a big draw for us as is Venice.

Side note -- scheduled myself on a Lufthansa 747-800 in what probably will be my last ever ride in a passenger Boeing 747. Lufthansa is still flying the Queen of the Skies and it will be kinda nice to be in one.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on May 28, 2021, 03:40:53 PM
Confirmed my wife's and mine's trip to Italy. Going in October for 12 days. Positives are that neither of us expects much in the way of crowds for most of the trip (Rome probably will be an exception). Negatives are that we sure hope the Covid-19 hangover is gone and that stores etc., are open.

Probably will spend time in Rome, Tuscany and Venice. Rome is marginal while Tuscany is a big draw for us as is Venice.

Side note -- scheduled myself on a Lufthansa 747-800 in what probably will be my last ever ride in a passenger Boeing 747. Lufthansa is still flying the Queen of the Skies and it will be kinda nice to be in one.

If you've never been to Tuscany, you'll love it.  Its my favorite place in Italy Ive been by far.  And Venice with limited to sparse tourism sounds DIVINE.  If only cutting out the cruise traffic, it could become a radically different trip.

As for the 747, enjoy!  Its crazy the shift.  Flying roughly 75 international legs in the last 5 years pre-Covid, I think I was on a single 747 flight, maybe 2.  And both were accidental, a Lufthansa rebook and a trip through Tokyo due to delays messing up a direct to HK.  One of my goals leading into 2020 was trying to find a way into an upper deck business class seat on a 747 given their rapid retirement.  My Dad's trips, usually to Narita, in that class are highlights in his extensive world travel.  Now I'm realizing Im probably gonna be SOL.  Ive actually never flown an A380 either come to think of it.  Neither my ANA or Lufthansa flights have been on one and an Etihad flight had an equipment change due to low volume when I flew Shanghai to Abu Dhabi a few years back.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 05:03:30 PM
That was one of the most illuminating tidbits of advice my Dad ever gave me in my young adulthood.  Obviously its not based in "accumulate debt/be reckless", but when it comes to money you have, when looking at trips or memories on those trips.   Spend the extra $100 for the room upgrade, spend $$ on an excursion you're not sure about, splurge for that dinner at the restaurant all the locals rave about...you'll remember it far more than anything you'll gain from taking that extra cash home with you.

I remember a trip to Disney as a kid.  We had never stayed near the parks, for good reason, cause it was absurdly expensive and we stayed an entire long weekend for the cost of a night at one hotel.   But for one of my younger sister's first trip, my Dad booked us at the Contemporary (with the monorail running through it) and I thought my head was gonna explode as we pulled up.  Its a vivid memory 25 years later. 

Later we went on a trip to Amalfi as a family.  Were gonna take a ferry to Capri for the day.  My sisters convinced my Dad to charter a boat with a captain for the day to cruise us all around, including stopping on Capri.  I could see my Dad wince as he handed the credit card to run it, but it was an incredible day, incredible memories, and I know he never regretted it for a minute.

Memories & Experiences>>>>

Agree with every word. Glad you and your family had those great experiences.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 28, 2021, 08:47:42 PM
Eh ... it's only money.



Yeah, but too many people take that farther than they probably should.

I read somewhere that the typical family spends more on vacations in a given year than they put into the kids' college funds.

No Bueno.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 28, 2021, 08:59:25 PM
About 15 years ago, flew from SFO to Singapore (Singapore Air) on the top deck of a 747. Best flight experience I’ve ever had, not even close.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
About 15 years ago, flew from SFO to Singapore (Singapore Air) on the top deck of a 747. Best flight experience I’ve ever had, not even close.
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Singapore Airlines is the absolute best.  Did you get their pajamas?  I have yet to be lucky enough to get a first cabin which is basically a bedroom.  :)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 09:45:11 PM
Yeah, but too many people take that farther than they probably should.

I read somewhere that the typical family spends more on vacations in a given year than they put into the kids' college funds.

No Bueno.

I didn’t think that applied to Dish, so I had no problem saying what I did.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 29, 2021, 07:12:02 AM
I didn’t think that applied to Dish, so I had no problem saying what I did.

I am not saying it did apply to Dish.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 29, 2021, 07:29:09 AM
If you've never been to Tuscany, you'll love it.  Its my favorite place in Italy Ive been by far.  And Venice with limited to sparse tourism sounds DIVINE.  If only cutting out the cruise traffic, it could become a radically different trip.

As for the 747, enjoy!  Its crazy the shift.  Flying roughly 75 international legs in the last 5 years pre-Covid, I think I was on a single 747 flight, maybe 2.  And both were accidental, a Lufthansa rebook and a trip through Tokyo due to delays messing up a direct to HK.  One of my goals leading into 2020 was trying to find a way into an upper deck business class seat on a 747 given their rapid retirement.  My Dad's trips, usually to Narita, in that class are highlights in his extensive world travel.  Now I'm realizing Im probably gonna be SOL.  Ive actually never flown an A380 either come to think of it.  Neither my ANA or Lufthansa flights have been on one and an Etihad flight had an equipment change due to low volume when I flew Shanghai to Abu Dhabi a few years back.

Smiling... am looking forward to it.

By the way, our seat assignments are in business class on the upper deck of the 747-8. Assuming, of course, no equipment change.

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One of our favorite 747 stories ever happened about 27 years ago in Hawaii. We were out there for two weeks on vacation at the same time as a high school cheerleader convocation. The cheerleaders were in downtown Honolulu and made big news when they turned on their hairdryers, curlers and curling irons kinda simultaneously and blew out power to a six block section of downtown.

Anyway, these cheerleaders had to get home. We were on a 747-200 of United Airlines and waiting in the Red Carpet Club (aka, United Club) when 250 cheerleaders showed up, noisily, at the gate. They all checked in for the trip back to Chicago on United 2 when a stream of frequent flyers, many of whom were 1Ks, raced for the podium and asked for upgrades. As one of the cheerleaders yelled out, "Slumber Party," the gate agent said "I'm sorry, we are sold out... over and over again."

As I watched this scene unfold, I looked at Ms. Dgies and simply said, "you know, we would make an awful lot of money tonight!" Ms. Dgies had the "if looks could kill" look on her face and simply said, "NO... AND I MEAN  NO!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 29, 2021, 10:57:37 AM
Too funny!

If you haven’t been to Tuscany before, you are in for a treat. Make sure at some point you find a outdoor cafe with a view, have a glass of wine and enjoy the view, watch life go by.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 29, 2021, 11:00:18 AM
Yeah, but too many people take that farther than they probably should.

I read somewhere that the typical family spends more on vacations in a given year than they put into the kids' college funds.

No Bueno.

My European colleagues would think the above statement is insane. They think travel and experience is an education all on its own. But then again, their college costs are a trifle. Sadly, not at all the case in the US.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on May 29, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
My European colleagues would think the above statement is insane. They think travel and experience is an education all on its own. But then again, their college costs are a trifle. Sadly, not at all the case in the US.

Vacation and travel aren't necessarily the same thing. I would hardly call a week at Disney World or laying on the beach in the Florida Panhandle educational.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on May 29, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Vacation and travel aren't necessarily the same thing. I would hardly call a week at Disney World or laying on the beach in the Florida Panhandle educational.

Good point.  I do think though that many would argue a college education today, especially when you consider the costs,  isn't worth the investment. 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 29, 2021, 03:32:29 PM
Vacation and travel aren't necessarily the same thing. I would hardly call a week at Disney World or laying on the beach in the Florida Panhandle educational.

That I wholeheartedly agree with!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 29, 2021, 03:36:15 PM
I didn’t think anything of the cost statement I made. For our family, we try to take as many trips as possible, in part to get our kids exposed to the world. In my job I travel often, so it helps with miles/points. I have my kids keep track of how many states they’ve been to (they’re 11 and 7 and have hit 25 states already). But within that, we’ve tried teaching them about geography/history/etc of where they are at.

Just two weeks ago, we were in the Quad Cities for my son’s travel tournament. It was arguably the most fun we’ve had as a family on a trip, ever.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 30, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
I didn’t think anything of the cost statement I made. For our family, we try to take as many trips as possible, in part to get our kids exposed to the world. In my job I travel often, so it helps with miles/points. I have my kids keep track of how many states they’ve been to (they’re 11 and 7 and have hit 25 states already). But within that, we’ve tried teaching them about geography/history/etc of where they are at.

Just two weeks ago, we were in the Quad Cities for my son’s travel tournament. It was arguably the most fun we’ve had as a family on a trip, ever.

Great stuff, Dish. I also traveled a lot for work. When I could, I brought the family along; even though I couldn't spend much time with them, my wife and kids got to explore while I worked. Or we'd all go a few days before I had to start working and spend that time together; then they'd go home and I'd stay. It was a valuable part of their learning experience. Plus, as you said, I built up significant FF miles and Marriott points, which were very useful for "real" family vacations to Europe, Cali, Arizona, etc.

I especially love your last paragraph.

We once went on a great driving vacation from Chicago to Toronto to Montreal to Quebec City to Maine to Boston to Easton, Pa. On our last two stops, we stayed a few days each with friends who had kids roughly the same age as ours. On our way back home from Easton, we asked the kids what their favorite parts of the trip were, expecting them to say Montreal or Quebec, but both said that while they loved those spots it was Boston and Easton because they got to have fun sightseeing, playing basketball, going out to eat, etc, with the other kids.

A couple years earlier, we went to Disney World for a few days and then went to the Boca Raton area to stay a week with my parents; again, the kids loved Disney, obviously, but they said they loved being with grandma and grandpa even more.

So it's both experiences and, perhaps even more importantly, the people you get to share them with.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on May 30, 2021, 09:30:20 AM

Just two weeks ago, we were in the Quad Cities for my son’s travel tournament. It was arguably the most fun we’ve had as a family on a trip, ever.

Must have been the family experience. I spent the first four years of my career in the Quad Cities and I can vouch for the fact that I wouldn’t go out of my way to go back. But with a family together, even the Quad Cities looks good.

That said, I’ve had wonderful family experiences with our children in off the beaten path places as well. My daughter, wife and I went to Solon Springs, WI (near Superior) to close up my late parents home before we sold it. For my family, it was a nice way to say goodbye to an important part of our lives.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 30, 2021, 11:51:40 AM
I didn’t think anything of the cost statement I made. For our family, we try to take as many trips as possible, in part to get our kids exposed to the world. In my job I travel often, so it helps with miles/points. I have my kids keep track of how many states they’ve been to (they’re 11 and 7 and have hit 25 states already). But within that, we’ve tried teaching them about geography/history/etc of where they are at.

Just two weeks ago, we were in the Quad Cities for my son’s travel tournament. It was arguably the most fun we’ve had as a family on a trip, ever.

This. If you do vacations right, they can be great educational experiences. While my kids have only been to 14 states, they have been to 14 countries. My daughter’s history teacher throws up pictures of places throughout the world and often it’s been places she’s been to. When she was 13 and we were visiting London, she wanted to visit the deli associated with Sherlock Holmes series at the time. I said fine, but you have to figure out how to get us there from our AirBnB on the other side of the city and navigate it. She did with a route that took us through Kings Cross, so that she could check off the Harry Potter thing as well.
The amount of confidence that gave her was amazing. Though now, she is lobbying to visit her friend in London on her own. 
The experiences, both large and small, are the things they talk about. They have friends around the world that they met during travels that they talk to regularly.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on May 30, 2021, 11:55:40 AM
Vacation and travel aren't necessarily the same thing. I would hardly call a week at Disney World or laying on the beach in the Florida Panhandle educational.

My European colleagues think only a week anywhere isn’t a real vacation. They are confused why we would spend such a short time in a place. They tend to spend three to four weeks in a place. Sadly not a realistic option for most Americans. I remember the grief I got for a three+ week vacation a few years ago.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 01, 2021, 11:34:25 AM
My European colleagues think only a week anywhere isn’t a real vacation. They are confused why we would spend such a short time in a place. They tend to spend three to four weeks in a place. Sadly not a realistic option for most Americans. I remember the grief I got for a three+ week vacation a few years ago.

Funny you say that. Went to a wedding this weekend, was in the actual wedding party, gave two months notice that I wasn’t going to be at work this weekend, and still got flack/had a hard time taking days off because it was a busy weekend at work.

Absolutely silly.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on June 01, 2021, 03:08:39 PM
Vacation and travel aren't necessarily the same thing. I would hardly call a week at Disney World or laying on the beach in the Florida Panhandle educational.

I'd hardly call a week at Disney a vacation either.

Maybe a week of penance to lessen time in purgatory, but not a vacation.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on June 02, 2021, 10:00:52 PM
I'd hardly call a week at Disney a vacation either.

Maybe a week of penance to lessen time in purgatory, but not a vacation.

Brother Coleman, I'd go a step further. A week at Disney amounts to as Get Out of Hell Free card.

I reside in Florida. While I appreciate the impact Disney has on our state, the thought of actually going there is about as appealing as eight hours of back surgery followed by a week flat on my back, all the while undergoing a simultaneous root canal and colonoscopy, neither with anesthesia.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 02, 2021, 10:27:12 PM
Disney would be great if not for the people at Disney  :D I appreciate different parts of it returning their as an adult, but good lord the crowds are awful.  Not just in number, but in many other ways.

Tangentially related, Epcot.  Does anyone actually know what all the space above and around the buildings and villages in the various country setups in the World Showcase contain?  Is it just storage? Offices?  I thought of it looking above the shops and pubs in the UK section, but then also all the space in France and Japan as well.  So many of the buildings are multiple stories yet only the first floor is exhibit use
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 07:18:31 AM
Disney would be great if not for the people at Disney  :D I appreciate different parts of it returning their as an adult, but good lord the crowds are awful.  Not just in number, but in many other ways.

Tangentially related, Epcot.  Does anyone actually know what all the space above and around the buildings and villages in the various country setups in the World Showcase contain?  Is it just storage? Offices?  I thought of it looking above the shops and pubs in the UK section, but then also all the space in France and Japan as well.  So many of the buildings are multiple stories yet only the first floor is exhibit use

Disney is a lot of fun if you go while school is in session.  I think the upper portions of the buildings are for show only.  They're designed with perspective in mind to look bigger than they are... but I think they are empty/storage.  My guess is they are empty now considering how much storage exists at Disney.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 03, 2021, 08:05:02 AM
Disney is a lot of fun if you go while school is in session.

I think that this is the key. Years ago, we took our kids out of school for a week and went to Disney World. It was not crowded and it was a lot of fun. I think another thing that can make it much more enjoyable is to have enough time so you don't feel the need to cram everything into your day. We had a full week so we'd get up and go to a park in the morning; return to the hotel for pool/nap time in the early afternoon; and then spend a couple hours in a park in the evening. It really was a great and memorable trip.  Several years later when we happened to be in Orlando for a volleyball tournament we crammed Universal into a single day. Even though certain aspects of it were fun, it was kind of miserable. In an effort to see/try/ride everything we kind of ruined the experience.

Another thing about our Disney vacation...we surprised the kids. We woke them up in the morning and told them we were going...they had no idea.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 03, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
Disney would be great if not for the people at Disney  :D I appreciate different parts of it returning their as an adult, but good lord the crowds are awful.  Not just in number, but in many other ways.

Tangentially related, Epcot.  Does anyone actually know what all the space above and around the buildings and villages in the various country setups in the World Showcase contain?  Is it just storage? Offices?  I thought of it looking above the shops and pubs in the UK section, but then also all the space in France and Japan as well.  So many of the buildings are multiple stories yet only the first floor is exhibit use

A lot of those multi story building in Disney are just for show and the top floors are unusable.

Disney uses perspective tricks to make the buildings seem taller than they are. A lot of those upper floors aren’t actually normal height, but the design makes it seem taller than they actually are.

Kinda a Disney Park nerd so send all Disney Park questions this way.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 10:55:07 AM
So just gonna ask again before I head up there.


Any brewery or dive food suggestions for Minneapolis?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 03, 2021, 11:15:33 AM
A lot of those multi story building in Disney are just for show and the top floors are unusable.

Disney uses perspective tricks to make the buildings seem taller than they are. A lot of those upper floors aren’t actually normal height, but the design makes it seem taller than they actually are.

Kinda a Disney Park nerd so send all Disney Park questions this way.

Makes sense.  I always figured that (besides maybe the second floors in some places).  It was always more whimsical thinking it would be cool/amusing for some park operations manager having their above the British pub or on the second floor of one of the Japanese pagodas.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
So just gonna ask again before I head up there.


Any brewery or dive food suggestions for Minneapolis?

Here, I'll be controversial and get some of the MN guys fired up.

Go to Surly, get good beer, have a good time.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 11:37:38 AM
Here, I'll be controversial and get some of the MN guys fired up.

Go to Surly, get good beer, have a good time.

I expect there to be some surly responses to this.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 03, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
I say this with perspective that hopefully none of you are ever in this position. When my son was sick, he got a Make A Wish, and he used it on a Disney cruise. After the cruise, we stayed near Disney for a week. We were given passes to Disney/Universal/Sea World by some other charitable organizations. Each day we went to a park, we wore our Make A Wish shirts, and we got immediately to the front of the line of every ride. Not even Fast Pass front of line, like “you’re next” front of the line. Luckily my son is fine, and at the time I told my wife “we’ll never ever get a better Disney experience than this.”
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 03, 2021, 11:57:27 AM
Here, I'll be controversial and get some of the MN guys fired up.

Go to Surly, get good beer, have a good time.

Might as well swing by New Glarus too.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 12:01:04 PM
Might as well swing by New Glarus too.

Closed till October.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 12:12:47 PM
Might as well swing by New Glarus too.

No food, unfortunately.

Wait, do you not like NG?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 03, 2021, 12:18:15 PM
...and we got immediately to the front of the line of every ride. Not even Fast Pass front of line, like “you’re next” front of the line...

When we went to Universal we made the calculated decision to stay in their over-priced hotel because it included fast passes for all of us - a $500 value (and also allowed us into the park an hourly early). It was the first time I ever had a fast pass. Honestly, it probably ruined amusement parks for me for life. I don't think I could ever go without a fast pass, and I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay for one.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 03, 2021, 12:46:07 PM
No food, unfortunately.

Wait, do you not like NG?

So overrated.

WI Brewing, Capitol, Karben 4 all much better options.  Haven't been to Ale Asylum but like their beers too.

I thought Deb would follow the science and reopen??
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on June 03, 2021, 12:52:50 PM
So overrated.

WI Brewing, Capitol, Karben 4 all much better options.  Haven't been to Ale Asylum but like their beers too.

I thought Deb would follow the science and reopen??

I really like New Glarus beers. I think Spotted Cow is overrated. Still good, but definitely not their best. The location is really cool, but I agree, if you have easy access to New Glarus beers, it’s a little underwhelming. They really only have on tap the widely available beers.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 03, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
So overrated.

WI Brewing, Capitol, Karben 4 all much better options.  Haven't been to Ale Asylum but like their beers too.

I thought Deb would follow the science and reopen??

None of those are in the twin cities, I could tell stories about Capitol that would ruin any good impressions you have.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 03, 2021, 01:17:53 PM
None of those are in the twin cities, I could tell stories about Capitol that would ruin any good impressions you have.

Not in Mpls?  No chit.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 01:20:46 PM
So overrated.

WI Brewing, Capitol, Karben 4 all much better options.  Haven't been to Ale Asylum but like their beers too.

I thought Deb would follow the science and reopen??

Hard disagree on all accounts.  WI Brewing and Captal make the most boring average beers in the entire area.  K4 and AA are running into the opposite problem.  They're bored and makings 10000 different types of beer and not deciding if the beer they're brewing is actually good.  IMO, if you want a good brewery in Madison check out Delta Beer Labs (off of Rimrock Rd) or Young Blood Brewing (Downtown).

New Glarus is widely considered the best brewery in the state.  Now, I will disagree that it is, and I think they're getting a tad lazy.  Best brewery (IMO) is Central Waters.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 01:23:44 PM
I really like New Glarus beers. I think Spotted Cow is overrated. Still good, but definitely not their best. The location is really cool, but I agree, if you have easy access to New Glarus beers, it’s a little underwhelming. They really only have on tap the widely available beers.

Hmmmm not my experience at all.   A couple of years ago, they had thumbprint stuff and some anniversary stuff on tap outside.  Gorgeous day with my extended family that ended with two of the less experienced beer drinkers tossing their malted barley at Sugar River pizza.

If you're in that area again, be sure to hit up Bailey's Run winery up the hill to the West of town.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 03, 2021, 01:31:58 PM
Hard disagree on all accounts.  WI Brewing and Captal make the most boring average beers in the entire area.  K4 and AA are running into the opposite problem.  They're bored and makings 10000 different types of beer and not deciding if the beer they're brewing is actually good.  IMO, if you want a good brewery in Madison check out Delta Beer Labs (off of Rimrock Rd) or Young Blood Brewing (Downtown).

New Glarus is widely considered the best brewery in the state.  Now, I will disagree that it is, and I think they're getting a tad lazy.  Best brewery (IMO) is Central Waters.

Agreed on Central Waters.  3 Sheep's fresh coast pale is good too.

Just don't like any New Glarus beers.  Different strokes, aina.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Retire0 on June 03, 2021, 01:47:46 PM
So overrated.

WI Brewing

Not a great example. Corporate, generic recipe following and not interesting. Unless something has changed in the last couple years.

New Glarus is overrated.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on June 03, 2021, 01:49:10 PM
Hmmmm not my experience at all.   A couple of years ago, they had thumbprint stuff and some anniversary stuff on tap outside.  Gorgeous day with my extended family that ended with two of the less experienced beer drinkers tossing their malted barley at Sugar River pizza.

If you're in that area again, be sure to hit up Bailey's Run winery up the hill to the West of town.

Interesting. Maybe I went at unlucky times. Their facilities were incredibly nice.

We did do Baileys Run and it was a lot of fun. I would echo the recommendation. Having a Golden Doodle ourselves just added to it.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 01:56:03 PM
Cool so the recommendation is stop in Madison on the way back but not WI brewery got it
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on June 03, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
Hard disagree on all accounts.  WI Brewing and Captal make the most boring average beers in the entire area.  K4 and AA are running into the opposite problem.  They're bored and makings 10000 different types of beer and not deciding if the beer they're brewing is actually good.  IMO, if you want a good brewery in Madison check out Delta Beer Labs (off of Rimrock Rd) or Young Blood Brewing (Downtown).

New Glarus is widely considered the best brewery in the state.  Now, I will disagree that it is, and I think they're getting a tad lazy.  Best brewery (IMO) is Central Waters.

We agree here. I used to enjoy the bocks Capital made but those declined when Kirby left. AA still makes a couple decent beer, but nothing special. Yet to have anything from K4 that I loved.

Young Blood is fun... they have their hits and misses but I've liked most of what I've had from them.

I appreciate what NG does. Yes, Spotted Cow is overrated. But they brew to style and do it well. And the fruit/thumbprint beers are always worth a buy.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on June 03, 2021, 03:24:20 PM
Hot take here and Sconnies will probably burn me alive for it...

Most Wisconsin breweries are overrated. There are better breweries in the city of Chicago alone than the entire state of Wisconsin. Some of the best....


Dovetail
Half Acre
Metropolitan
Alarmist
Argus
Begyle
Maplewood
Old Irving
Pipeworks


And that's not even counting the big boys like Revolution, Lagunitas and Goose Island which are overrated.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 03, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
Hot take here and Sconnies will probably burn me alive for it...

Most Wisconsin breweries are overrated. There are better breweries in the city of Chicago alone than the entire state of Wisconsin. Some of the best....


Dovetail
Half Acre
Metropolitan
Alarmist
Argus
Begyle
Maplewood
Old Irving
Pipeworks


And that's not even counting the big boys like Revolution, Lagunitas and Goose Island which are overrated.

Lagunitas is Petaluma, CA... they just ran out of water!

Also, hard disagree.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 03, 2021, 03:32:27 PM
Cool so the recommendation is stop in Madison on the way back but not WI brewery got it

Ale Asylum, Karben 4 and One Barrell are the best in Madison.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on June 03, 2021, 04:08:59 PM
If you are up that way, Some Nerve Brewing in Manitowish Waters has some very tasty beers with great names (Including Cream Abdul Jabar Cream Ale) . The owners are fun people, too.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 07:12:24 PM
On Hards' word earlier I decided to stop with my fiancé at Youngblood

Beer was great! Food was not...
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Hot take here and Sconnies will probably burn me alive for it...

Most Wisconsin breweries are overrated. There are better breweries in the city of Chicago alone than the entire state of Wisconsin. Some of the best....


Dovetail
Half Acre
Metropolitan
Alarmist
Argus
Begyle
Maplewood
Old Irving
Pipeworks


And that's not even counting the big boys like Revolution, Lagunitas and Goose Island which are overrated.

Cant speak for alarmist or Argus, and I think old Irving is overrated but every other one I agree and would add Whiner to that list before we even consider the suburbs

Also Begyle does a colab with Galway Bay Brewery that's phenomenal
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 03, 2021, 11:06:20 PM
Cool so the recommendation is stop in Madison on the way back but not WI brewery got it

Can't beat WI Brewing outside on a summer weekend night.  Tons of people, food service (usually a non profit), live music, and a great environment (at least until Costco goes in across the street. )
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 04, 2021, 06:17:05 AM
Can't beat WI Brewing outside on a summer weekend night.  Tons of people, food service (usually a non profit), live music, and a great environment (at least until Costco goes in across the street. )

Well unless you like beer.  ;)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on June 04, 2021, 07:22:56 AM
When we went to Universal we made the calculated decision to stay in their over-priced hotel because it included fast passes for all of us - a $500 value (and also allowed us into the park an hourly early). It was the first time I ever had a fast pass. Honestly, it probably ruined amusement parks for me for life. I don't think I could ever go without a fast pass, and I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay for one.

A few years ago, we evacuated the east coast due to approaching cat 5 hurricane. Went to the Tampa area. The hurricane slowed, so great weather, school was still in for the Tampa area kids. Ours went to Busch Gardens. Basically had the place to themselves. Less than 1000 people entered the park that day. It got to the point they just rode some coasters repeatedly without getting off. Talk about being spoiled.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on June 04, 2021, 08:57:21 AM
Can't beat WI Brewing outside on a summer weekend night.  Tons of people, food service (usually a non profit), live music, and a great environment (at least until Costco goes in across the street. )

Big +1.  WI Brewing definitely has the best venue to just hang out.  And if you're a dog person, all the more. Most dog friendly place in the city.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on June 04, 2021, 09:44:11 AM
I was at Disney World with my Florida friends the December after 9/11. I played at every exhibit and rode every ride at Epcot with no wait anywhere on the extra day I stayed after they left.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 04, 2021, 10:07:51 AM
Big +1.  WI Brewing definitely has the best venue to just hang out.  And if you're a dog person, all the more. Most dog friendly place in the city.

City of Verona, maybe.  I don't know Verona that well.   ;D
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Coleman on June 04, 2021, 10:22:24 AM
Lagunitas is Petaluma, CA... they just ran out of water!


Everything east of the Rockies is brewed in Chicago. One of the best tap rooms I've ever visted as well.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on June 04, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
I agree it is a great tap room. I was at a retirement party there several years ago as well.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 04, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Everything east of the Rockies is brewed in Chicago. One of the best tap rooms I've ever visted as well.

I'm aware... it was a joke.

The Petaluma brewery is also really cool if you make it out that way.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 04, 2021, 04:57:13 PM
Pryes Brewery was solid today. Never had a nitro sour if anyone wants to try one in Minneapolis
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 10, 2021, 11:40:37 AM
Not a great example. Corporate, generic recipe following and not interesting. Unless something has changed in the last couple years.

New Glarus is overrated.

They were one of the first so they're held in high regard due to history. Like Pliney the Elder, one is supposed to like it because of history.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 10, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
I seem to remember a lot of valuable info surrounding Hawaii but can't seem to locate it. We may be switching our honeymoon from Bali to Hawaii just for peace of mind since Indonesia hasn't yet opened their borders. Flights from Chicago into Kauai seem to be cheapest and the shortest. Is that normal? Is that a good route to go?

Any recommendations, even if it's just a link to a prior post?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: warriorchick on June 10, 2021, 04:29:33 PM
I seem to remember a lot of valuable info surrounding Hawaii but can't seem to locate it. We may be switching our honeymoon from Bali to Hawaii just for peace of mind since Indonesia hasn't yet opened their borders. Flights from Chicago into Kauai seem to be cheapest and the shortest. Is that normal? Is that a good route to go?

Any recommendations, even if it's just a link to a prior post?

Just like any other flights, fares to the different islands can change.  When we went a couple of months ago, Maui was the cheapest.  Make sure when you are looking at flights that you look at Southwest.  They aren't on the regular travel agency sites.

Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 10, 2021, 04:54:16 PM
I seem to remember a lot of valuable info surrounding Hawaii but can't seem to locate it. We may be switching our honeymoon from Bali to Hawaii just for peace of mind since Indonesia hasn't yet opened their borders. Flights from Chicago into Kauai seem to be cheapest and the shortest. Is that normal? Is that a good route to go?

Any recommendations, even if it's just a link to a prior post?

There are no direct flights into Kauai from Chicago to my experience. Kauai is the most northern tourist island so it's furthest (not by much in mileage but by time as it requires a 2nd flight). So, the question is where you do your transfer to Lihue?  In Oakland, Oahu or Maui.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 10, 2021, 10:55:06 PM
I seem to remember a lot of valuable info surrounding Hawaii but can't seem to locate it. We may be switching our honeymoon from Bali to Hawaii just for peace of mind since Indonesia hasn't yet opened their borders. Flights from Chicago into Kauai seem to be cheapest and the shortest. Is that normal? Is that a good route to go?

Any recommendations, even if it's just a link to a prior post?

Can’t go wrong with Kauai. I’m jealous!

My 3 must-sees there:

1. Waimea Canyon - the “Grand Canyon of the Pacific.” Truly spectacular. Easily can spend a whole day there.

2. Na Pali Coast - see it by boat unless you really are very strong hikers.

3. Queen’s Bath - probably my favorite place on Mother Earth.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: LON on June 11, 2021, 12:21:23 PM
So overrated.

WI Brewing, Capitol, Karben 4 all much better options.  Haven't been to Ale Asylum but like their beers too.

I thought Deb would follow the science and reopen??

Karben 4 was started by a group of guys from Appleton (Xavier HS), one of which went to MU...also, great beers.  Spotted Cow is totally overrated.  Give me Two Women or Moon Man over Spotted Cow all day, every day.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 11, 2021, 12:54:04 PM
Karben 4 was started by a group of guys from Appleton (Xavier HS), one of which went to MU...also, great beers.  Spotted Cow is totally overrated.  Give me Two Women or Moon Man over Spotted Cow all day, every day.

Moon man for sure, depends on the mood for two women vs spotted

New Glarus should really market its sours better that's where they excel
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on June 11, 2021, 12:58:06 PM
Moon man for sure, depends on the mood for two women vs spotted

Black Top was my favorite. RIP.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jficke13 on June 11, 2021, 12:59:13 PM
I seem to remember a lot of valuable info surrounding Hawaii but can't seem to locate it. We may be switching our honeymoon from Bali to Hawaii just for peace of mind since Indonesia hasn't yet opened their borders. Flights from Chicago into Kauai seem to be cheapest and the shortest. Is that normal? Is that a good route to go?

Any recommendations, even if it's just a link to a prior post?

Kauai is the least developed of the tourist islands. I loved it, but it's a little more of a "make your own fun" island. Amazing hiking if you're into that kind of thing. Maui was a little more resort-y and had fancier restaurants and the like. Loved it too, but it was a slightly different vibe.

I'd absolutely go back to Hawaii, so you can't go wrong. Just up to what you want out of the vacation, tbh.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on June 11, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Spotted Cow may be a bit overrated at this point due to its "only in Wisconsin; Smokey & the Bandit" schtick, but the thing I love about NG is how drinkable everything is. I also think that Totally Naked is a great beer though, so if that disqualifies my opinion I want to throw it out there for full disclosure.  ;)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 11, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
Kauai is the least developed of the tourist islands. I loved it, but it's a little more of a "make your own fun" island. Amazing hiking if you're into that kind of thing. Maui was a little more resort-y and had fancier restaurants and the like. Loved it too, but it was a slightly different vibe.

I'd absolutely go back to Hawaii, so you can't go wrong. Just up to what you want out of the vacation, tbh.

Appreciate all the responses. Right now it seems like we're down to Hawai vs. Dubai/Abu Dhabi. Two completely different trips/experiences. If anyone has been to Dubai I'd gladly hear some feedback and recommendations.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 11, 2021, 03:45:46 PM
Appreciate all the responses. Right now it seems like we're down to Hawai vs. Dubai/Abu Dhabi. Two completely different trips/experiences. If anyone has been to Dubai I'd gladly hear some feedback and recommendations.

Are you guys looking for a more sight-seeing trip?  More relaxing by pool/beach?  Or outdoorsy/hiking/exploring?

I would think if you switched from Bali, you'd be looking for mostly the middle, with a bit of the latter.

Dubai and AD are extremely cool, especially if you've never been.  But unless you're fine hanging out at a luxury hotel, its gonna be a pretty active trip.  Tons of absolute spectacles to see.  Ive been to Dubai a few times before, but Abu Dhabi, I had an impromptu long layover.  So I anticipated hanging out, going to the pool for a bit, having a nice meal.  But there was a bunch of cool stuff to see, especially when I didn't know when I'd be back, that I ended up having a super busy day.

Other than both being warm, you might as well ask "Hawaii or London" or "Hawaii or HK"  cause the draws are drastically different.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 11, 2021, 03:59:51 PM
Are you guys looking for a more sight-seeing trip?  More relaxing by pool/beach?  Or outdoorsy/hiking/exploring?

I would think if you switched from Bali, you'd be looking for mostly the middle, with a bit of the latter.

Dubai and AD are extremely cool, especially if you've never been.  But unless you're fine hanging out at a luxury hotel, its gonna be a pretty active trip.  Tons of absolute spectacles to see.  Ive been to Dubai a few times before, but Abu Dhabi, I had an impromptu long layover.  So I anticipated hanging out, going to the pool for a bit, having a nice meal.  But there was a bunch of cool stuff to see, especially when I didn't know when I'd be back, that I ended up having a super busy day.

Other than both being warm, you might as well ask "Hawaii or London" or "Hawaii or HK"  cause the draws are drastically different.

We're going for 9 nights. Probably want to spend most of our time sightseeing, hiking and exploring with 1 or 2 pool/relaxing days.

I think we're leaning towards Dubai. We'll probably stay at a nice hotel but most time will be spent outside the resort. We don't mind trekking around.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 11, 2021, 10:03:02 PM
We're going for 9 nights. Probably want to spend most of our time sightseeing, hiking and exploring with 1 or 2 pool/relaxing days.

I think we're leaning towards Dubai. We'll probably stay at a nice hotel but most time will be spent outside the resort. We don't mind trekking around.

Maldives maybe?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 12, 2021, 06:27:49 AM
We're going for 9 nights. Probably want to spend most of our time sightseeing, hiking and exploring with 1 or 2 pool/relaxing days.

I think we're leaning towards Dubai. We'll probably stay at a nice hotel but most time will be spent outside the resort. We don't mind trekking around.

Have you looked at Thailand?
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 12, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Have you looked at Thailand?

Yes. Strongly considered it but decided that's somewhere we would like to go once the region has COVID more under control.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 12, 2021, 07:34:00 PM
Yes. Strongly considered it but decided that's somewhere we would like to go once the region has COVID more under control.

Fair enough.  PM me if you're interested in going there in the future.  I've been fortunate to have visited many times and covered most of the country.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on June 13, 2021, 09:09:07 AM
Appreciate all the responses. Right now it seems like we're down to Hawai vs. Dubai/Abu Dhabi. Two completely different trips/experiences. If anyone has been to Dubai I'd gladly hear some feedback and recommendations.
Recently did 2 weeks in Dubai because it's one of the few places "open".  Spilled for 5 star hotel in JBR and never regretted a second of it.  PM for details.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: jsglow on June 13, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
So I just re-checked the Hawaii travel site for fun.  Now it appears you can go without the 3 day Covid test by uploading your vaccination card.  Progress.

(You all may recall chick and I went in April when a negative test was absolutely required.)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on June 13, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
Everything east of the Rockies is brewed in Chicago. One of the best tap rooms I've ever visted as well.

Not anymore unless it's New Castle. It's more a Heineken brewery now than Lagunitas.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 13, 2021, 12:59:16 PM
One of the interesting things about traveling is the whole being a tourist versus living there discussion.

About 15 years ago, I had to spend significant time actually working in Hawaii and dealing with their bureaucracy, traffic, local work ethic etc . It was far different from the times I spent there as a tourist. Going out two weeks out of month really wore me out.

Manhattan is the same way. Fun to visit, but living there is much different, even in the best locations.
 
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 16, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.

Never been, but I've heard it's awesome, so enjoy!

And while you're in Split, say hi to the Kukoc family! (All I know about the place is that before every Bulls game he started, Toni would be introduced, "From Split, Croatia, number 7 ... ")
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 16, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.

Croatia has inched its way up my bucket list. Honestly, it's probably tops at this point. It looks spectacular.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on June 16, 2021, 01:01:13 PM
+3 on Croatia interest.  We'll be expecting a full report!
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on June 16, 2021, 01:38:08 PM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.

There is an MU alum working remotely there now. He used to be in the travel industry and says Dubrovnik is his favorite place in the world.
Let me know if you have specific questions and I will pass them along.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 16, 2021, 01:48:37 PM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.

Unless you’re REALLY craving a visit to an urban center, then don’t worry about Zagreb.  Dubrovnik is surreal (it would be a must visit and disigistingly picturesque place even without the GoT fame), Split is cool, and Hvar is amazing.  You’ll be thrilled with all of those.

Croatians are awesome people, the Dalmatian Coast is fantastic, and it’s still relatively inexpensive.

It’s funny, while it’s still inexpensive, the “cheap” stories about Croatia I get from my European colleagues are nuts.  My associates in Belgium vacation there in August 3 out of 4 years, more or less.  Drive down and bring their boat.  In the mid-late 90s, before the Euro took hold, they used to go to islands near Hvar and buy out the bar for the night for what they would pay for a normal round of drinks back in Antwerp.  They would joke that would pay more in gas driving down and for the boat than they would on food and drink for almost a month.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on June 17, 2021, 11:16:35 AM
I know the Scoop community is hanging on every word so....we decided against Dubai or Hawaii and settled on Croatia. Flying into Dubrovnik and planning on a couple nights in Split and Hvar. The hotel points worked well and seems like a nice mix of hiking, national parks, sightseeing and relaxation.

Has anyone been? We have 10 nights and are debating whether it's worth spending a day or two in Zagreb. Leaning no right now but could be convinced.


Go to Plitvice Lakes National Park. In the north of Croatia. It's spectacular.

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/98/ (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/98/)
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: BM1090 on June 17, 2021, 12:39:33 PM

Go to Plitvice Lakes National Park. In the north of Croatia. It's spectacular.

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/98/ (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/98/)

We definitely intend to take a full day trip to Plitvice from Split.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Chili on June 17, 2021, 08:11:17 PM
We definitely intend to take a full day trip to Plitvice from Split.

A tip I can offer is to head up one evening and stay the night at hotel in the area so you can get up early and get to the park. This way you can avoid all heavy bus traffic that shows up late morning. We did this and got to enjoy a lot of the park before it got slammed. This is of course if travel tours are a thing when you.
Title: Re: Scoop Airport/Hotel/Travel Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 18, 2021, 07:09:36 PM
Been to Croatia a few times.  I like Split a lot. History, art, cafes, li