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Title: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on August 30, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
Key story lines for this season:

How does Ohio perform post Meyer?

Where does Meyer end up coaching?

Are USC and UCLA destined for mediocrity?

Is A&M a BCS contender?

Notre Who in the BCS?

Jalen Hurts Heisman for OU?

Clemson or Bama?

Harbaugh makes the BCS?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: BM1090 on August 30, 2019, 06:55:12 PM
Georgia +650 for the national title is pretty good value. Also jumped all over UGA -10 vs. ND week 4.

There are a few decent games tonight, including UW-USF. Go Bulls.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on August 30, 2019, 08:40:59 PM
So hornibrook left a school where I assumed he was guaranteed to start, for a school where he will sit on the bench his senior year. That makes perfectly good sense.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 30, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
So hornibrook left a school where I assumed he was guaranteed to start, for a school where he will sit on the bench his senior year. That makes perfectly good sense.

He wasn’t going to start at Wisconsin. Maybe not even second string.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on August 30, 2019, 10:20:24 PM
He wasn’t going to start at Wisconsin. Maybe not even second string.

Seriously doubt Chryst was going to replace his Orange Bowl MVP and guy he brought here from pitt  because he was injured last year.  Wally Pipp notwithstanding, coaches don't do that. and its not like Coan is Johhny Unitis. Job was Hornibrooks to lose.
And if he left because he didn't think he would start, why transfer to a school where he wouldn't either?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2019, 06:24:28 AM
Seriously doubt Chryst was going to replace his Orange Bowl MVP and guy he brought here from pitt  because he was injured last year.  Wally Pipp notwithstanding, coaches don't do that. and its not like Coan is Johhny Unitis. Job was Hornibrooks to lose.
And if he left because he didn't think he would start, why transfer to a school where he wouldn't either?

Let me put it another way. His transfer wasn’t completely about football. There were off field issues that impacted his status with the team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on August 31, 2019, 11:06:51 AM
Let me put it another way. His transfer wasn’t completely about football. There were off field issues that impacted his status with the team.

What were the off field issues?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
What were the off field issues?

Apparently his concussion didn’t come from football but a bar fight with another player that he initiated. And that was the tip of the iceberg when it came to the relationship with his teammates.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on August 31, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Apparently his concussion didn’t come from football but a bar fight with another player that he initiated. And that was the tip of the iceberg when it came to the relationship with his teammates.
Appears to be just internet gossip.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/23/Contents/Questions-For-the-Wisconsin-Mailbag-129335768/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2019, 01:32:37 PM
Appears to be just internet gossip.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/23/Contents/Questions-For-the-Wisconsin-Mailbag-129335768/
.

It isn’t.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
Harbaugh finally has his QB situation in place. Shea Patterson will have a stellar season but watch for Dylan McCaffrey will have plenty pf run. Expect fireworks from him this season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2019, 02:56:05 PM
Harbaugh finally has his QB situation in place. Shea Patterson will have a stellar season but watch for Dylan McCaffrey will have plenty pf run. Expect fireworks from him this season.


9/21 is going to be an interesting game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2019, 03:06:21 PM

9/21 is going to be an interesting game.

When I look at the schedule I think Penn State will be close but WI has a real chance to win.

Say what you will but Chryst has built a real program in Madison. That was an excellent hire by them. He is a quality guy, too. That hasn't always been the case in WI coaches. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on August 31, 2019, 04:19:34 PM
When I look at the schedule I think Penn State will be close but WI has a real chance to win.

Say what you will but Chryst has built a real program in Madison. That was an excellent hire by them. He is a quality guy, too. That hasn't always been the case in WI coaches.

Built a real program in Madison?  Have you been asleep for the last 25 years?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 31, 2019, 04:35:11 PM
Key story lines for this season:



Notre Who in the BCS?

Clemson or Bama?

Harbaugh makes the BCS?

That is a storyline, that the BCS is back.  ;D
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
When I look at the schedule I think Penn State will be close but WI has a real chance to win.

Say what you will but Chryst has built a real program in Madison. That was an excellent hire by them. He is a quality guy, too. That hasn't always been the case in WI coaches. 

Alvarez thoroughly understands what it takes to win at Wisconsin. Andersen was a huge error.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 31, 2019, 04:46:46 PM
Alvarez thoroughly understands what it takes to win at Wisconsin. Andersen was a huge error.
Anderson's team (Utah State) blew the game away last night at Wake Forest.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on August 31, 2019, 05:03:30 PM
I haven’t seen this much Becky Badger football talk since Sultan was here...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on August 31, 2019, 05:04:41 PM
Built a real program in Madison?  Have you been asleep for the last 25 years?

Hard to tell with the joke of a Western Division they play in each year.  8 wins should be minimum before they even start the season
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PointWarrior on August 31, 2019, 05:30:54 PM
Why question OSU - loaded with 5* talent, a chimp could coach them to a big ten title...

Taylor >> Hurts for Heismann

Harbaugh blows...

Washington beat E. Washington 42-14 - local media has them now penciled in for the national championship.   Of course, they are distracted because the Seahawks signing Clowney has them all making their Superbowl travel reservations...



Key story lines for this season:

How does Ohio perform post Meyer?

Where does Meyer end up coaching?

Are USC and UCLA destined for mediocrity?

Is A&M a BCS contender?

Notre Who in the BCS?

Jalen Hurts Heisman for OU?

Clemson or Bama?

Harbaugh makes the BCS?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2019, 06:13:13 PM
Ohio will be really good this year but the question is can Day maintain the momentum?

BTW, Ohio has tried to trademark "the" so Michigan has a tee shirt where the "of" has a TM next to it. Hilarious.

Washington is for real. I like what Petersen is doing.

Harbaugh needs to deliver this year but, regardless, his seat will never get warm in A2.


Why question OSU - loaded with 5* talent, a chimp could coach them to a big ten title...

Taylor >> Hurts for Heismann

Harbaugh blows...

Washington beat E. Washington 42-14 - local media has them now penciled in for the national championship.   Of course, they are distracted because the Seahawks signing Clowney has them all making their Superbowl travel reservations...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2019, 06:14:53 PM
Georgia State upsets Tennessee!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on August 31, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Ohio will be really good this year but the question is can Day maintain the momentum?

BTW, Ohio has tried to trademark "the" so Michigan has a tee shirt where the "of" has a TM next to it. Hilarious.

Washington is for real. I like what Petersen is doing.

Harbaugh needs to deliver this year but, regardless, his seat will never get warm in A2.

Wow, incredible. I can see how the school is so highly thought of with that type of creativity.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 01, 2019, 01:08:47 AM
Will Bo Nix be something special or was that comeback win a fluke?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 01, 2019, 08:11:42 AM
Will Bo Nix be something special or was that comeback win a fluke?

He will be good but the SEC West will make him look bad.

Bad loss for Oregon. PAC 12 has really fallen off.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 01, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
He will be good but the SEC West will make him look bad.

Bad loss for Oregon. PAC 12 has really fallen off.

Living in a sea of U Dubbers gives interesting perspective on just how bad things are in the Pac 12:

- The Loss cements the view that Cristobal is a great positions coach but a terrible head coach: the man does not know how to manage a game
- Phil Knight was on the sideline last night and the look on his face was not one of joy
- USC's struggles means more LA talent will come north to Eugene and Seattle
- Utah football follows the Majerus model by feasting on CA players
- Pullman Air Raid success sets up the Apple Cup as a prime time Thanksgiving contest 
- USC being down is worse than Ohio or Alabama being down - the lack of quality depth is magnified
- Sorry Huskies: Look where all the 4 and 5 stars from CA are actually headed: the Big 10 and SEC
- When does USC hire Urban?
_ Who gets fired first: Helton, Swann, or Larry Scott?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2019, 12:42:52 PM
I don't know Pat Fitzgerald, but indications are he's a good guy, and he has been a decent coach.

But he embarrassed himself this past week, refusing to name a starting QB because he thought being mysterious gave his team some kind of advantage.

He ended up playing both QBs -- the starter was mediocre and then got hurt; the 5-star transfer sucked -- and Northwestern had just about no offense at all in getting beaten by a middle-of-the-pack team from a bad conference.

Refusing to name the starting QB ... that's high school crap. Fitting that his offense played like a high school team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 01, 2019, 12:56:47 PM
I don't know Pat Fitzgerald, but indications are he's a good guy, and he has been a decent coach.

But he embarrassed himself this past week, refusing to name a starting QB because he thought being mysterious gave his team some kind of advantage.

He ended up playing both QBs -- the starter was mediocre and then got hurt; the 5-star transfer sucked -- and Northwestern had just about no offense at all in getting beaten by a middle-of-the-pack team from a bad conference.

Refusing to name the starting QB ... that's high school crap. Fitting that his offense played like a high school team.

NU also lost their starting TB.  Stanford was ranked #25 going into the game. 

That said, Fitzgerald's teams always seem to start poorly.  To me, that means bad season/OOC game prep which you are alluding to....which I agree.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on September 01, 2019, 02:28:16 PM
I don't know Pat Fitzgerald, but indications are he's a good guy, and he has been a decent coach.

But he embarrassed himself this past week, refusing to name a starting QB because he thought being mysterious gave his team some kind of advantage.

He ended up playing both QBs -- the starter was mediocre and then got hurt; the 5-star transfer sucked -- and Northwestern had just about no offense at all in getting beaten by a middle-of-the-pack team from a bad conference.

Refusing to name the starting QB ... that's high school crap. Fitting that his offense played like a high school team.

Not exactly unprecedented.

Doug Pedersen did it last year.
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/national/pederson-refuses-to-name-starting-quarterback/article_7e2d1567-7fcc-53e1-a61b-c30e0247a99f.html

Nick Saban did it last year
https://deadspin.com/nick-saban-still-wont-clear-up-his-starting-quarterback-1828634780

And in 2016
https://tide1009.com/alabama-qb-battle-narrowed-down-to-2-heading-into-usc-game/

Mike Gundy did it this year.
http://studentunionsports.com/college-football/oklahoma-state-refuses-to-name-starting-quarterback/kmelton

Dirk Koetter did is last year.
https://sportsnaut.com/2018/09/buccaneers-refuse-to-name-starting-qb-for-week-4/

I'd imagine there are plenty of other instances.
That said, it seems Fitz and his coaching staff left their huevos in the Evanston. Some truly head-scratching, ultraconservative playcalls on offense, not the least of which was a QB draw on 3rd and 16 on the NU 44 with three minutes to play. Pretty much handed Stanford the game right there.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on September 01, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Fitz is about two decades outside his  coaching realm.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 01, 2019, 08:42:46 PM
Seems like Jalen Hurts will run more in the Oklahoma offense.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 01, 2019, 08:46:01 PM
Living in a sea of U Dubbers gives interesting perspective on just how bad things are in the Pac 12:

- The Loss cements the view that Cristobal is a great positions coach but a terrible head coach: the man does not know how to manage a game
- Phil Knight was on the sideline last night and the look on his face was not one of joy
- USC's struggles means more LA talent will come north to Eugene and Seattle
- Utah football follows the Majerus model by feasting on CA players
- Pullman Air Raid success sets up the Apple Cup as a prime time Thanksgiving contest 
- USC being down is worse than Ohio or Alabama being down - the lack of quality depth is magnified
- Sorry Huskies: Look where all the 4 and 5 stars from CA are actually headed: the Big 10 and SEC
- When does USC hire Urban?
_ Who gets fired first: Helton, Swann, or Larry Scott?

Apple Cup is a 3pm game on FOX or FS1.

As for USC. Not sure anyone wants to see Swann make the hire. JT Daniels out for the year. It will get ugly.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 01, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
App State over Michigan....this date
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
Not exactly unprecedented.

Doug Pedersen did it last year.
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/national/pederson-refuses-to-name-starting-quarterback/article_7e2d1567-7fcc-53e1-a61b-c30e0247a99f.html

Nick Saban did it last year
https://deadspin.com/nick-saban-still-wont-clear-up-his-starting-quarterback-1828634780

And in 2016
https://tide1009.com/alabama-qb-battle-narrowed-down-to-2-heading-into-usc-game/

Mike Gundy did it this year.
http://studentunionsports.com/college-football/oklahoma-state-refuses-to-name-starting-quarterback/kmelton

Dirk Koetter did is last year.
https://sportsnaut.com/2018/09/buccaneers-refuse-to-name-starting-qb-for-week-4/

I'd imagine there are plenty of other instances.
That said, it seems Fitz and his coaching staff left their huevos in the Evanston. Some truly head-scratching, ultraconservative playcalls on offense, not the least of which was a QB draw on 3rd and 16 on the NU 44 with three minutes to play. Pretty much handed Stanford the game right there.

I never said it was unprecedented, Pakuni. It's always a high school move IMHO. Others are allowed different opinions.

Totally agree that Fitzgerald didn't cover himself in glory with his coaching decisions yesterday. My son and I couldn't believe that QB draw either.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 02, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
App State over Michigan....this date

That was an awful day...But for some perspective:


All Time Wins:

Michigan:    954 (1st)

Indiana:      484 (101st)

Kansas:       584 (65th)

All Time Winning %:

Michigan:    .730 (1st)

Indiana:      .419 (121st)

Kansas:       .477 (103rd)


FBS National Championships:

Michigan:    11 (2nd)

Indiana:       0 (N/A)

Kansas         0 (N/A)


Weeks in Poll:

Michigan:    850 (2nd)

Indiana:        55 (72nd)

Kansas:       109 (64th)


Consensus All Americans:

Michigan:    83 (3rd)

Indiana:       7 (60th)

Kansas:        5 (65th)


Heisman Winners

Michigan:    3 (5th)

Indiana:      0 (N/A)

Kansas:       0 (N/A)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TAMU Garcia on September 02, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
Michigan football?  Please.  My alma mater is undefeated since 1960. Top that
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 02, 2019, 01:59:40 PM
Michigan football?  Please.  My alma mater is undefeated since 1960. Top that

They don't make them like Swede Johnston anymore!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette_Golden_Avalanche_football
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 02, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
Michigan football?  Please.  My alma mater is undefeated since 1960. Top that

A Zag buddy has a T Shirt: Gonzaga Football - Undefeated Since 1941
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 02, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
That was an awful day...But for some perspective:


All Time Wins:

Michigan:    954 (1st)

Indiana:      484 (101st)

Kansas:       584 (65th)

All Time Winning %:

Michigan:    .730 (1st)

Indiana:      .419 (121st)

Kansas:       .477 (103rd)


FBS National Championships:

Michigan:    11 (2nd)

Indiana:       0 (N/A)

Kansas         0 (N/A)


Weeks in Poll:

Michigan:    850 (2nd)

Indiana:        55 (72nd)

Kansas:       109 (64th)


Consensus All Americans:

Michigan:    83 (3rd)

Indiana:       7 (60th)

Kansas:        5 (65th)


Heisman Winners

Michigan:    3 (5th)

Indiana:      0 (N/A)

Kansas:       0 (N/A)

If it makes you feel good to compare to KU and IU football, something is seriously wrong.   ;D
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 06, 2019, 07:00:41 PM
Big Saturday!
6 LSU at  9 Texas (ABC)

12 Texas A&M at 1 Clemson (ABC)

Army at 7 Michigan (FOX)

25 Nebraska at Colorado (FOX)

23 Stanford at USC (ESPN)

Cal at 14 Washington  (FS1)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TAMU Garcia on September 06, 2019, 10:37:56 PM
Our baby shower is tomorrow. I know I married well when the baby shower is going to smoothly transition into a TAMU/Clemson viewing party.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 06, 2019, 10:39:59 PM
Our baby shower is tomorrow. I know I married well when the baby shower is going to smoothly transition into a TAMU/Clemson viewing party.

Congratulations to you and your growing family. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on September 06, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
Our baby shower is tomorrow. I know I married well when the baby shower is going to smoothly transition into a TAMU/Clemson viewing party.

Congratulations. You're truly one of the best of us, even if A&M is gonna get rolled.  Wish you nothing but the best.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 07, 2019, 12:58:42 PM
Army up on Michigan at the half.....
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 07, 2019, 01:20:40 PM
Are they moving the New Mexico State @ Alabama game to a place unaffected by the hurricane?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 07, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Are they moving the New Mexico State @ Alabama game to a place unaffected by the hurricane?

Lol
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 07, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Are they moving the New Mexico State @ Alabama game to a place unaffected by the hurricane?

I thought we were supposed to believe everything NOAA says.  So confusing what we are supposed to believe or not.....  ;)


“From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama," the statement read. "This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed on the center's website.
"The Birmingham National Weather Service's Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 07, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
Dude seriously. We all know what happened here. Be smart.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 07, 2019, 01:46:03 PM
Dude seriously. We all know what happened here. Be smart.

Lol yeah no kidding.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 07, 2019, 03:32:44 PM
Yep - simple apology and the story would have died in a day.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 07, 2019, 05:06:44 PM
Dude seriously. We all know what happened here. Be smart.

We do?  I thought all these agencies are above it all...LOL.  They aren’t...they weren’t in the past and they aren’t now.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 07, 2019, 06:00:40 PM
We do?  I thought all these agencies are above it all...LOL.  They aren’t...they weren’t in the past and they aren’t now.


I agree with you that no agency has ever been completely beyond the control of the administration in power. Simple fact of political life.

But in the past they at least tried to support their actions with facts. Now, they've stopped even trying because they know it's futile.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on September 07, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
I thought we were supposed to believe everything NOAA says.  So confusing what we are supposed to believe or not.....  ;)


“From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama," the statement read. "This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed on the center's website.
"The Birmingham National Weather Service's Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."

Completely bogus argument.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 07, 2019, 07:26:24 PM

I agree with you that no agency has ever been completely beyond the control of the administration in power. Simple fact of political life.

But in the past they at least tried to support their actions with facts. Now, they've stopped even trying because they know it's futile.

I’d invite you to look at 2010 and 2012 and the data nonsense by the same NOAA that was called out and should have been a lead story.

All of this is mostly BS anyway.  Originally Alabama was identified...it’s on NOAA’s website to this day with those maps.  Alabama was later removed as the storm changed.  Bonehead either didn’t know that or kept going with what he originally heard....he was right it was originally on it, but it wasn’t later in the week and he should have stopped there.  A simple I made a mistake.  A simple I made a mistake by the press when they said Alabama was never a target was also in order, because that was also factually true...again, it is on the damn site to this day....but egos by the press and him wouldn’t budge. Two egos bashing back and forth.  The guy could cure cancer and they will hate on him.  The press could write 100% truth and he will bag on it.  That’s where we are and where we shall remain even when he is gone.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 07, 2019, 07:52:03 PM
The guy could cure cancer and they will hate on him.  The press could write 100% truth and he will bag on it.  That’s where we are and where we shall remain even when he is gone.

Lol. You understand that a person would need to at least acknowledge the existence of “science” to have even a remote chance of doing that.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 07, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
So Chico’s has decided to go along with the gaslighting. Not surprised.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 07, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
The Fighting Harbaughs celebrated their huge home win over mighty Army as if they had just won the national title.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 08, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
I don't think Michigan's struggles with Army should be some sort of indicator of larger problems.  Jeff Monken is a very good coach out of the Paul Johnson school of the triple option.  Very hard to coach against because teams rarely see it any longer.  They took Oklahoma to overtime last year and OU ended up in the national semifinals.

In two weeks, a "struggling" Michigan and "dominant" Wisconsin play at Madison.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if those roles reverse.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 08, 2019, 10:22:18 AM
Army is for real. As Fluffy points out, Monken is an excellent coach who, given the talent available to him, runs an old school option that would make Barry Switzer proud. The option relies on discipline and execution, fundamentals of the complete West Point experience.

The score was far more indicative of not Army's play but Michigan's continuing struggles with ball security.  You can't give up the ball that many times and expect to win. Michigan's offense needs to figure things out and they will - ball control, short yardage situations, and stupid penalties is fixable. And Michigan's offense has far too many weapons to remain stagnant. 

As usual, Don Brown's defense is exceptional.

Michigan will be fine and I expect a great season. But they do need to get their sh1t together.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on September 08, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
The Fighting Harbaughs celebrated their huge home win over mighty Army as if they had just won the national title.

Well, it is as close as they will come to one.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 08, 2019, 11:14:47 AM
The Fighting Harbaughs celebrated their huge home win over mighty Army as if they had just won the national title.

The thing about Harbaugh is that he is a goofy guy. He is also one of the most genuine guys coaching a high major program in any sport.

Most importantly, Harbaugh really does care about his players. For those who don't know, that is the essence of leadership.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 08, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
New offense looks pretty strong at LSU. Can they overtake Alabama in the west.

Florida State needed a miss extra point in overtime to beat UL Monroe.

Colorado comeback down 17-0 to beat Nebraska in overtime. Another trillier on FOX.

Weather delay make Cal/Washington start at 12:30am. Cal late field goal, upsets the Huskies.

Mack Brown's return has been excellent. 2-0 after a win over Miami.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 08, 2019, 11:01:31 PM


Weather delay make Cal/Washington start at 12:30am. Cal late field goal, upsets the Huskies.


U Dub loses to Cal for the second year in a row. Stupid penalties, a porous run defense, and Eason looking very human spells defeat.

After racking up big numbers against Eastern WA Eason had zero vertical game.

U Dub will finish in the top 25 but any hopes for a big season like two years ago is gone.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 09, 2019, 08:20:20 AM
I attended my first college game in years this past weekend and was reminded of two things:  1) college football and Saturdays on campus are fantastic; and 2) there are way too many commercials in college football.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: swoopem on September 09, 2019, 09:25:21 AM
I was at the big house Saturday with a bunch of West Point guys. Very strong Army presence throughout Ann Arbor. Really wish Army would’ve pull it off and even though they didn’t it was still tons of fun
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
I attended my first college game in years this past weekend and was reminded of two things:  1) college football and Saturdays on campus are fantastic; and 2) there are way too many commercials in college football.

A definitive American Experience is fall in a college town on a football weekend. One of our finer rituals as a tribe.

 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 09, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
A definitive American Experience is fall in a college town on a football weekend. One of our finer rituals as a tribe.

I was very happy that my daughter really seemed to enjoy it.  She had previously bought tickets for only a couple games.  When we met up after the game -- she sat in the student section -- she said she was going to see if she can get tickets for more games.  Made me very happy.  And she's really pumped for basketball season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2019, 10:17:39 AM
I was at the big house Saturday with a bunch of West Point guys. Very strong Army presence throughout Ann Arbor. Really wish Army would’ve pull it off and even though they didn’t it was still tons of fun

As much as I love Marquette hoops, there is nothing that compares with home game Saturday at The Big House.

I saw that Army had a big contingent at the game which is fantastic. I also saw that LTG/Lt Gen Darryl Williams was in attendance. I knew DW when I was the CAS Chief for I Corps during OIF. DW is FA and was the fire and effects guy for one of the divisions.  Just a great guy and an exceptional officer. I'm not surprised he got three buttons.

One of the great moments on Saturday was that after an incredibly hard fought game the players from both teams gathered together in the end zone together and sang each other's fight song. Impressive.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 10:17:53 AM
A little surprised to see Michigan celebration after beating Army.  End of the day they are kids and I like to see kids celebrate, but I’m guessing it roiled some of the old school Michigander fans.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2019, 10:19:05 AM
I was very happy that my daughter really seemed to enjoy it.  She had previously bought tickets for only a couple games.  When we met up after the game -- she sat in the student section -- she said she was going to see if she can get tickets for more games.  Made me very happy.  And she's really pumped for basketball season.

She's rooting for MU I trust?

Hoya Saxa!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 09, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Army is for real. As Fluffy points out, Monken is an excellent coach who, given the talent available to him, runs an old school option that would make Barry Switzer proud. The option relies on discipline and execution, fundamentals of the complete West Point experience.

The score was far more indicative of not Army's play but Michigan's continuing struggles with ball security.  You can't give up the ball that many times and expect to win. Michigan's offense needs to figure things out and they will - ball control, short yardage situations, and stupid penalties is fixable. And Michigan's offense has far too many weapons to remain stagnant. 

As usual, Don Brown's defense is exceptional.

Michigan will be fine and I expect a great season. But they do need to get their sh1t together.

Monken is the most underrated coach in America.  Brought Georgia Southern up to FBS from FCS and beat Florida in his last year.  Triple option isn't sexy, but its incredible the precision and discipline they play with on both sides of the ball.  They took Oklahoma to OT last year in Norman.  Incredible.  Don't see Navy winning the matchup as long as he's at West Point and Niumatalolo is in Annapolis.

As for Michigan, I think another problem is Patterson stinks.  I don't know if he'll be bad in perpetuity, but he's a far cry from the Heisman candidate he's been hyped to be.  Harbaugh is a good coach, but yet to be seen if Gattis can call a competent offense on his own.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 09, 2019, 10:26:21 AM
A little surprised to see Michigan celebration after beating Army.  End of the day they are kids and I like to see kids celebrate, but I’m guessing it roiled some of the old school Michigander fans.

The celebration that was weird I saw (ACC Network), was Florida State winning on a missed extra point in overtime versus UL Monroe.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 09, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
She's rooting for MU I trust?

Hoya Saxa!

The daughter at Purdue?  Yeah, I'd think so...except for the game against Purdue.  The daughter at Georgetown?  No, she roots for the Hoyas.  It makes for some fun wagering.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 09, 2019, 10:54:19 AM
The daughter at Purdue?  Yeah, I'd think so...except for the game against Purdue.  The daughter at Georgetown?  No, she roots for the Hoyas.  It makes for some fun wagering.

My kid is upset because the Xavier-Seton Hall and Xavier-St. John's games over Christmas break are at Xavier and not road games that she can go see when home in Connecticut.
I will enjoy the family wagering also.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2019, 12:15:35 PM
A little surprised to see Michigan celebration after beating Army.  End of the day they are kids and I like to see kids celebrate, but I’m guessing it roiled some of the old school Michigander fans.

Not sure what you are referencing here. The Michigan players and band always head to the student section end zone after a win at The Big House where they sit on the wall to thank the students. This is a Big House tradition going back to Jerry Ford's time.

The Michigan players and staff were joined by the Army contingent where they sang each other's fight song and celebrated the joy of playing college football. It was a phenomenal demonstration of sportsmanship. Frankly, I believe the nation as a whole could learn from that.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2019, 12:45:15 PM
College football is rich in tradition. Some of the better ones:

- The Go Blue banner
- Play like a champion today
- The Ohio band dotting the i
- Texas A&M's 12th Man
- War Eagle
- Tennessee: Checker Board End Zones and Rocky Top
- Ten Thousand Men of Harvard
- The Game: Michigan-Ohio State
- The Winged Helmet
- Touchdown Jesus
- Game watching from boats on Lake Washington
- Woo pig sooie
- Rammer Jammer, Yellow Hammer
- Rolling Toomer's Corner
- White Out
- Kidnapping Navy Goats and Army Mules
- Little Brown Jug
- The Beer Song
- Blue Turf
- Sparty's Spinning S
- Penn fans throwing toast
- Notre Dame's post game Alma Mater
- Hail to the Victors
- On Wisconsin
- Fight On
- Victory March
- Boomer Sooner
- Bow Down
- The Haka
- Rock Chalk Jayhawk
- Army-Navy
- Harvard-Yale
- Bama-Auburn
- Apple Cup
- Cal-Stanford
- The Civil War
- Red River Shootout
- Miami Smoke
- The Grove
- Lighting The Tower
- Cowbell
- Hook 'em Horns
- Midnight Yell
- Pink Locker Room
- Irish Guard
- Planting the Spear
- Gator Chomp
- Ralphie
- Tunnel Walk
- Stanford Band
- Tightwad Hill

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on September 09, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
The score was far more indicative of not Army's play but Michigan's continuing struggles with ball security.  You can't give up the ball that many times and expect to win. Michigan's offense needs to figure things out and they will - ball control, short yardage situations, and stupid penalties is fixable. And Michigan's offense has far too many weapons to remain stagnant. 

I thought ESPN had a very good summary of Michigan's offense thru two games:

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The early returns: On one hand, things are at least OK. The Wolverines scored 40 points on Middle Tennessee, and though they nearly lost to Army on Saturday, Oklahoma nearly lost to Army last season, and it still made the CFP. The Wolverines outgained Army by 97 yards and went to overtime only because of fumbles and fourth-quarter, fourth-and-short failures, neither of which are necessarily sustainable.

On the other hand, those fourth-and-shorts were awfully telling. Everyone in the stadium knew what Michigan was going to do (hand off to the running back between the tackles), and Army sent the house and made two stops. Michigan seems stuck between identities at the moment.

Also, the fumbles might be sustainable, given that the Wolverines have eight of them so far.

I'm inclined to agree with your conclusions, Keefe, but what's a bit unnerving as a fellow fan is the fear that Michigan gets undone by another identity crisis.  Maybe more than any other program, Michigan's offense is always torn between classic between the tackles and modern (see the RichRod-Hoke cluster) and its really hard to be both. This wouldn't be the first time UM professed to run a flashier offense, only to keep the governor on playcalling or use personnel that didn't fit the scheme (it would be generous to say that Patterson's RPOs looked uncomfortable - if he doesn't improve quick, those will be McCaffrey's plays by year end). I agree that the ingredients should add up to a plenty competent offense, but the familiar way it sputtered is cause for concern.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Lynn Swann resigned today out here
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 03:04:54 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion Harbaugh was really good head coach when a QB named Andrew Luck was throwing the pill around.

 ;)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 09, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
College football is rich in tradition. Some of the better ones:

- The Go Blue banner
- Play like a champion today
- The Ohio band dotting the i
- Texas A&M's 12th Man
- War Eagle
- Tennessee: Checker Board End Zones and Rocky Top
- Ten Thousand Men of Harvard
- The Game: Michigan-Ohio State
- The Winged Helmet
- Touchdown Jesus
- Game watching from boats on Lake Washington
- Woo pig sooie
- Rammer Jammer, Yellow Hammer
- Rolling Toomer's Corner
- White Out
- Kidnapping Navy Goats and Army Mules
- Little Brown Jug
- The Beer Song
- Blue Turf
- Sparty's Spinning S
- Penn fans throwing toast
- Notre Dame's post game Alma Mater
- Hail to the Victors
- On Wisconsin
- Fight On
- Victory March
- Boomer Sooner
- Bow Down
- The Haka
- Rock Chalk Jayhawk
- Army-Navy
- Harvard-Yale
- Bama-Auburn
- Apple Cup
- Cal-Stanford
- The Civil War
- Red River Shootout
- Miami Smoke
- The Grove
- Lighting The Tower
- Cowbell
- Hook 'em Horns
- Midnight Yell
- Pink Locker Room
- Irish Guard
- Planting the Spear
- Gator Chomp
- Ralphie
- Tunnel Walk
- Stanford Band
- Tightwad Hill

All great!

Hold that Tiger! (LSU)
Touching the Rock at Clemson.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 03:07:48 PM
The celebration that was weird I saw (ACC Network), was Florida State winning on a missed extra point in overtime versus UL Monroe.

Didn’t watch it, but that one is probably more from relief they have fallen so far.  I expect UCLA to do the same whenever they get a win
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 03:09:08 PM
Not sure what you are referencing here. The Michigan players and band always head to the student section end zone after a win at The Big House where they sit on the wall to thank the students. This is a Big House tradition going back to Jerry Ford's time.

The Michigan players and staff were joined by the Army contingent where they sang each other's fight song and celebrated the joy of playing college football. It was a phenomenal demonstration of sportsmanship. Frankly, I believe the nation as a whole could learn from that.

Even the commentators noted after the game they were surprised at Michigan’s celebration instead of a “act like you have been there”.  This was not in regard to their tradition at end of games
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on September 09, 2019, 03:09:30 PM
Lynn Swann out as USC AD
What former football player gets the gig now? Matt LI have a toothachert? Carson Palmer? Keyshawn?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 09, 2019, 03:12:20 PM
Lynn Swann resigned today out here


Clay Helton pulled a big win v. Stanford the other night.  His career at USC will be decided the next four games (at BYU, Utah, at UW, at ND.)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on September 09, 2019, 03:16:57 PM

Clay Helton pulled a big win v. Stanford the other night.  His career at USC will be decided the next four games (at BYU, Utah, at UW, at ND.)

I think he's already a dead man walking. New AD is going to want to bring in his own guy.
Heck, Clay may have been a dead man walking the moment Urban Meyer "retired" from tOSU.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 09, 2019, 03:20:41 PM
Yeah you're probably right.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on September 09, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
Lynn Swann out as USC AD
What former football player gets the gig now? Matt LI have a toothachert? Carson Palmer? Keyshawn?

One of their former running backs became available recently. Other than some Twitter videos, it seems like he has some time on his hands.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 09, 2019, 04:23:32 PM

Clay Helton pulled a big win v. Stanford the other night.  His career at USC will be decided the next four games (at BYU, Utah, at UW, at ND.)

At home against a Stanford team missing their starting QB.  Slovis for USC was a freshman too, but he was in friendly and familiar territory at least.

I think he's already a dead man walking. New AD is going to want to bring in his own guy.
Heck, Clay may have been a dead man walking the moment Urban Meyer "retired" from tOSU.

Totally agree.  Swann stepping down solidifies that IMO.  Short of them losing 1 or 2, which i don't see, he's gone.  He's not the man for that job at all.  Unfortunately that means Harrell is probably gone too, which is unfortunate cause I think he's a really good, young OC.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 09, 2019, 10:28:44 PM
Urban Meyer will be next USC coach
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 10, 2019, 02:56:43 AM
Monken is the most underrated coach in America.  Brought Georgia Southern up to FBS from FCS and beat Florida in his last year.  Triple option isn't sexy, but its incredible the precision and discipline they play with on both sides of the ball.  They took Oklahoma to OT last year in Norman.  Incredible.  Don't see Navy winning the matchup as long as he's at West Point and Niumatalolo is in Annapolis.

As for Michigan, I think another problem is Patterson stinks.  I don't know if he'll be bad in perpetuity, but he's a far cry from the Heisman candidate he's been hyped to be.  Harbaugh is a good coach, but yet to be seen if Gattis can call a competent offense on his own.

Justin

Patterson has been stinking it up. The fumbles and the bad throws are a problem and are central to Michigan's struggles with the ball. Let's see if he gets his sh1t together.

Interesting about Niumatalolo. A couple seasons ago he could do no wrong. Now his seat is hotter than a pistol. Crazy business.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 10, 2019, 03:01:22 AM
Even the commentators noted after the game they were surprised at Michigan’s celebration instead of a “act like you have been there”.  This was not in regard to their tradition at end of games

Got it. I wasn't aware of the Michigan players over celebrating.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 10, 2019, 09:56:45 PM
Justin

Patterson has been stinking it up. The fumbles and the bad throws are a problem and are central to Michigan's struggles with the ball. Let's see if he gets his sh1t together.

Interesting about Niumatalolo. A couple seasons ago he could do no wrong. Now his seat is hotter than a pistol. Crazy business.

Agreed. McCaffrey is waiting in the wings and has looked good at times. Major CFB is certainly not unfamiliar with talented but underperforming starters being replaced and the team suddenly exploding upwards in form.  Camp Randall in 2 weeks will likely be his last stand.

As for Ken N, it’s no surprise that his predominant success and shine at Navy coincided with the 4 year stint of Keenan Reynolds, arguably the best Navy player since Staubach, and certainly the best since Navy stopped being a power in the modern era.  His backup was extremely talented as well and they got a good year out of him in 2016.  Rough since then. But I just think he is limited as a coach. Has only known Navy really, likely struggles in recruiting. Guys like a Paul Johnson and Monken excelled with recruiting at lower level schools, as well as time at an academy, that translated well.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 11, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
Saturday the 14th.-- Some key games.
NC State at West Virginia 11:00 am FS1
Ohio State at Indiana 11:00 am FOX 
Pittsburgh at Penn State 11:00 am ABC
 
Alabama at South Carolina 2:30 pm CBS 
USC at BYU 2:30 pm ABC 
Arizona State at Michigan State 3:00 pm FOX
Iowa at Iowa State 3:00 pm FS1 
 
Florida at Kentucky 6:00 pm ESPN
Clemson at Syracuse 6:30 pm ABC
TCU at Purdue 6:30 pm BTN
Oklahoma at UCLA 7:00 pm FOX

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 11, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
Urban Meyer will be next USC coach

Meyer is dirty. The guy has left town in the middle of the night just ahead of the cops. I cannot believe USC would want his issues clouding their program.

What price victory...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 11, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
Meyer is dirty. The guy has left town in the middle of the night just ahead of the cops. I cannot believe USC would want his issues clouding their program.

What price victory...

You can call me biased cause Ive never liked the guy, but he's always had a stink on him.  His departure from Florida was shameful.  He missed a few recruiting classes and knew it and also, from multiple trusted sources, had some business going on with a coed that came to light.  Cue his "health problems" and desire to see his family and vanishing from Gainsville.  But shockingly, those health problems cleared up in less than a year and he decided he saw his family enough so he took an even more stressful and demanding job at OSU, lol.  His departure from OSU was even more squirmy and we know that its likely just the tip of the iceberg given OSU's well documented love of playing in the grey areas.

But why would USC take him?  Cause he's a scumbag but he's probably one of the top 10 CFB coaches of all time and USC needs to restore their former glory badly.  Just win baby, the Trojan way
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 11, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
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Urban is one of three best coaches right now. That is why many in the USC would want him. He won at BG, UTAH, Florida and Ohio State.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jon on September 11, 2019, 01:56:16 PM
His departure from OSU was even more squirmy

Buzz coached at Ohio State?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 15, 2019, 09:39:16 AM
Today's thoughts:

**I was wrong about Clay Helton
**Chip Kelly might be a worse coach at this point
**Alabama's defense isn't what it usually is
**Ohio State may be the best team not named Clemson
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 15, 2019, 09:50:11 AM
Today's thoughts:

**I was wrong about Clay Helton
**Chip Kelly might be a worse coach at this point
**Alabama's defense isn't what it usually is
**Ohio State may be the best team not named Clemson

Chip Kelly needs a stud QB for his system.  His QB right now is an absolute joke.  That said, he is a stubborn man and also looks disinterested.  Reminds me of Buzz his last year....just cashing checks

Bama has already lost two huge parts of the defense to injury

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 15, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
Military schools had a big day.

-Citadel won a Georgia Tech in ot.

-Air Force won at Colorado in ot.

-Army & Navy both won well.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 16, 2019, 10:35:50 AM
Today's thoughts:

**I was wrong about Clay Helton
**Chip Kelly might be a worse coach at this point
**Alabama's defense isn't what it usually is
**Ohio State may be the best team not named Clemson

What was your thought on Helton?  That he was getting a bad rap and is just fine?  I think he needed to finish top 20 and finish top 2 in the Pac 12 to save his job, and I didn't think that was gonna happen even with Daniels and before the BYU mess.

Chip Kelly just looks like he's out of ideas.  He's an offensive genius who brought forth a whole new style and way of looking at offense.  But everyone has adopted and adapted and he just looks like he got caught up in the wash.  And doesn't seem all too willing to evolve.  Plus he doesn't have the horses.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 16, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
What was your thought on Helton?  That he was getting a bad rap and is just fine?

I thought he could save his job with a good season, but losing to BYU likely means he doesn't have much of a chance with a new AD coming in.


Chip Kelly just looks like he's out of ideas.  He's an offensive genius who brought forth a whole new style and way of looking at offense.  But everyone has adopted and adapted and he just looks like he got caught up in the wash.  And doesn't seem all too willing to evolve.  Plus he doesn't have the horses.

He's like the Mike Martz of college football.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 18, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
--Some key games this weekend...
Friday, September, 20th
Utah at USC 8:00 pm FS1

Saturday, September, 21st
Michigan at Wisconsin 11:00 am FOX
Auburn at Texas A&M 2:30 pm CBS
Washington at BYU 2:30 pm (ABC or ESPN2) 
Oklahoma State at Texas 6:30 pm ABC
Notre Dame at Georgia 7:00 pm CBS
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on September 21, 2019, 12:19:14 PM
The unthinkable.   I am watching college football and enjoying Wisconsin beating up on somebody.     I need to sit down in a quiet place and reboot.   
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 21, 2019, 12:34:59 PM
Ass kickin' goin' on, hey?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 12:35:07 PM
Maybe Army wasn’t that good?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 12:35:18 PM
Epic arse kicking at the Camp.  Outstanding.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 12:36:36 PM
When does Uw-Madison extension play a real school this year?  Three warm-ups plus the Big Ten west which is a joke each year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on September 21, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
Mid-major?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 21, 2019, 12:43:59 PM
Off a bye. Michigan looks lost. No run game. Slow on defense.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
When does Uw-Madison extension play a real school this year?  Three warm-ups plus the Big Ten west which is a joke each year.

Please.  While they were significantly overrated last year, this year they look like a genuine playoff threat.  And Coan is a tremendous upgrade at the QB spot.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
Please.  While they were significantly overrated last year, this year they look like a genuine playoff threat.  And Coan is a tremendous upgrade at the QB spot.

All may be true, but they play a joke schedule every year and seem to not be able to win the big games agains the elite teams....until they finally do, that’s the perception.  Other than OSU this year, this schedule is an absolute farce as it almost always is...then they wonder why they cannot win against the big boys after playing marshmallows all year.

Today is another example of why there should be no preseason rankings for football.  Meat chicken is awful and Coach Khacki looks lost.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 01:42:14 PM
All may be true, but they play a joke schedule every year and seem to not be able to win the big games agains the elite teams....until they finally do, that’s the perception.  Other than OSU this year, this schedule is an absolute farce as it almost always is...then they wonder why they cannot win against the big boys after playing marshmallows all year.

Today is another example of why there should be no preseason rankings for football.  Meat chicken is awful and Coach Khacki looks lost.

They play Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, and Ohio State. Who else should they have to play that they’re avoiding? Would adding PSU make their schedule go from “playing marshmallows all year” to a legit schedule?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 21, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
Maebee Jim oughta ring up bil, Tommy, four sum defensive strategy help, hey?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2019, 01:47:27 PM
They play Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, and Ohio State. Who else should they have to play that they’re avoiding? Would adding PSU make their schedule go from “playing marshmallows all year” to a legit schedule?

In conference yes. They aren’t playing anyone worthwhile out of conference.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
In conference yes. They aren’t playing anyone worthwhile out of conference.

But why would they? If they play anyone, even Clemson or Bama, and lose they miss out on the Playoffs even if they win out. But if they play nobody and win all their B1G games they go to the Playoffs. There’s no reward for playing someone good out of conference.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lazar's Headband on September 21, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Wisconsin plays Notre Dame in 2020 & 2021.  Alabama is scheduled for 2024 & 2025.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
All may be true, but they play a joke schedule every year and seem to not be able to win the big games agains the elite teams....until they finally do, that’s the perception.  Other than OSU this year, this schedule is an absolute farce as it almost always is...then they wonder why they cannot win against the big boys after playing marshmallows all year.

Today is another example of why there should be no preseason rankings for football.  Meat chicken is awful and Coach Khacki looks lost.

IDK, LSU recently; Notre Dame upcoming.  They've also won 5 straight bowl games.  Maybe they should schedule the Pac 12.  Real football.   ::)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
BYU and Bama within the past few years as well.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2019, 03:35:24 PM
But why would they? If they play anyone, even Clemson or Bama, and lose they miss out on the Playoffs even if they win out. But if they play nobody and win all their B1G games they go to the Playoffs. There’s no reward for playing someone good out of conference.


Wisconsin has been good with adding quality non conference teams lately.  But my guess is that they declined to do so this year due to Michigan and Ohio State being on their schedule.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 03:40:51 PM

Wisconsin has been good with adding quality non conference teams lately.  But my guess is that they declined to do so this year due to Michigan and Ohio State being on their schedule.

How far ahead do they typically schedule?  I mean in basketball, it is not uncommon to tweak the quality of your non-con based on the perceived talent on your own team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
They play Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, and Ohio State. Who else should they have to play that they’re avoiding? Would adding PSU make their schedule go from “playing marshmallows all year” to a legit schedule?

Michigan sucks. Iowa, please.  The west is a joke every damn year.  They get 5 wins before playing a game because of their division.   Let’s put it this way, would you rather be in the east or the west?  There is only one right answer on this.  Their out of conference schedule is laughable as is usually the case.

I think they are a good team, and have a Heisman candidate back....and they will be highly ranked all year because of the soft schedule, but until they finally win a meaningful game on the national stage that’s where I am.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
Michigan sucks. Iowa, please.  The west is a joke every damn year.  They get 5 wins before playing a game because of their division.   Let’s put it this way, would you rather be in the east or the west?  There is only one right answer on this.  Their out of conference schedule is laughable as is usually the case.

I think they are a good team, and have a Heisman candidate back....and they will be highly ranked all year because of the soft schedule, but until they finally win a meaningful game on the national stage that’s where I am.

Considering they play the three best teams in the west this year I guess you’d just cry about it even if they were in the east, given that you’re crying about it now.

They just won a meaningful game on a national stage.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 04:23:11 PM
Michigan sucks. Iowa, please.  The west is a joke every damn year.  They get 5 wins before playing a game because of their division.   Let’s put it this way, would you rather be in the east or the west?  There is only one right answer on this.  Their out of conference schedule is laughable as is usually the case.

I think they are a good team, and have a Heisman candidate back....and they will be highly ranked all year because of the soft schedule, but until they finally win a meaningful game on the national stage that’s where I am.

Are they Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State, no.  Other than that, I guess you just don't like them.  That's fine.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 04:38:14 PM
IDK, LSU recently; Notre Dame upcoming.  They've also won 5 straight bowl games.  Maybe they should schedule the Pac 12.  Real football.   ::)

PAC 12 is terrible.  Bowl games are sweet and nice....Pinstripe Bowl...ok.  Cotton against Western Michigan...yummy dessert.  An 8-6 USC team.

Come on

They have also been in 3 of the last 5 Big Ten championship games and lost them all, including one by the score of 59-0.  They did manage to beat an overrated Nebraska team one year.  If they want the love, when a game that matters.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 04:39:09 PM
Wisconsin plays Notre Dame in 2020 & 2021.  Alabama is scheduled for 2024 & 2025.

Notre Dame...sorry, overrated every damn year.  Baba will be fun, Dabo should be on the sidelines by then.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 04:40:54 PM
Considering they play the three best teams in the west this year I guess you’d just cry about it even if they were in the east, given that you’re crying about it now.

They just won a meaningful game on a national stage.

The three best teams in the west is like being the tallest midget in the circus.  The West is awful each and every year.  Nebraska..LOL.  Iowa is decent team.  Who is the third best team...Northwestern...my God...or Minnesota...again, my God....murderer’s row.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 04:48:18 PM
PAC 12 is terrible.  Bowl games are sweet and nice....Pinstripe Bowl...ok.  Cotton against Western Michigan...yummy dessert.  An 8-6 USC team.

Come on

They have also been in 3 of the last 5 Big Ten championship games and lost them all, including one by the score of 59-0.  They did manage to beat an overrated Nebraska team one year.  If they want the love, when a game that matters.

So the only teams that don’t suck in your definition over the last half decade are Clemson and Alabama.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 04:49:27 PM
The three best teams in the west is like being the tallest midget in the circus.  The West is awful each and every year.  Nebraska..LOL.  Iowa is decent team.  Who is the third best team...Northwestern...my God...or Minnesota...again, my God....murderer’s row.

I meant the reverse. They play the top 3 teams in the east this year yet you’re still crying. So if they played in the east you’d just cry anyway.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 21, 2019, 05:06:25 PM
So the only teams that don’t suck in your definition over the last half decade are Clemson and Alabama.

Exactly.  It's what cheeks routinely does.  I've made my point.  No need to belabor it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
So the only teams that don’t suck in your definition over the last half decade are Clemson and Alabama.

Source where I said that....because we know I didn’t.  If I was like Lenny or MU82 I would throw around the liar charge, but I know you are just exaggerating and I don’t want to be like those two.

Again, would you rather be in the west or the east....be honest.   They have a massive advantage each year before the season even starts which makes their out of conf scheduling so baffling.  I can excuse Bama and others scheduling a few cream puffs because they play such a brutal conf schedule....but Wisconsin should be scheduling a tough non conference because the conference slate is so bad with the west.

Plenty of quality SEC, Big 12 schools to try and schedule.  I’m just happy for the fans the rules changed and they can no longer schedule the FCS teams anymore.  Wofford and the likes were quite the resume in the early part of the decade

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 05:14:36 PM
Source where I said that....because we know I didn’t.  If I was like Lenny or MU82 I would throw around the liar charge, but I know you are just exaggerating and I don’t want to be like those two.

Again, would you rather be in the west or the east....be honest.   They have a massive advantage each year before the season even starts which makes their out of conf scheduling so baffling.  I can excuse Bama and others scheduling a few cream puffs because they play such a brutal conf schedule....but Wisconsin should be scheduling a tough non conference because the conference slate is so bad with the west.

Plenty of quality SEC, Big 12 schools to try and schedule.  I’m just happy for the fans the rules changed and they can no longer schedule the FCS teams anymore.  Wofford and the likes were quite the resume in the early part of the decade

They’re literally the only two teams who have won the games that have mattered over the last 5 years. So no you didn’t say the words that Bama and Clemson are the only teams in football that don’t suck, you did say WI sucks because they don’t win the games that matter, and Clemson and Bama are the only ones that have.

WI plays the top 3 teams in the East this year. So East or West really doesn’t matter this year. Their schedule will not be the issue.

I hate UW and want to see them lose every sporting event they play in in any sport. But to just be like “ehh their opponent sucks” every single win they have, no matter how good their opponent is, is lazy.

I look forward to their football team looking like they’re going to break through to the CFP this year, only to lose out on it by either getting blown out or losing on a Hail Mary.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2019, 07:44:36 PM
How far ahead do they typically schedule?  I mean in basketball, it is not uncommon to tweak the quality of your non-con based on the perceived talent on your own team.

Years in advance. Current talent isn’t really a consideration.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 21, 2019, 08:19:31 PM
Notre Dame...sorry, overrated every damn year.  Baba will be fun, Dabo should be on the sidelines by then.
Can't be that overrated by going undefeated.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 09:35:22 PM
They’re literally the only two teams who have won the games that have mattered over the last 5 years. So no you didn’t say the words that Bama and Clemson are the only teams in football that don’t suck, you did say WI sucks because they don’t win the games that matter, and Clemson and Bama are the only ones that have.

WI plays the top 3 teams in the East this year. So East or West really doesn’t matter this year. Their schedule will not be the issue.

I hate UW and want to see them lose every sporting event they play in in any sport. But to just be like “ehh their opponent sucks” every single win they have, no matter how good their opponent is, is lazy.

I look forward to their football team looking like they’re going to break through to the CFP this year, only to lose out on it by either getting blown out or losing on a Hail Mary.

Sorry, but I would call a Big Ten championship game a game that matters. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 09:38:26 PM
Sorry, but I would call a Big Ten championship game a game that matters.

Except when Wisconsin wins. And then it’s just Wisconsin beating an overrated team. As you already stated.

Aka when a game being big fits your agenda it’s a big game, and when a game being big doesn’t fit your agenda it isn’t big.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
Can't be that overrated by going undefeated.

???  Not sure I understand.  Last time they were undefeated was 1988 and I was in college.  I know about 7 or 8 years ago they were and got annihilated and totally outclassed in the BCS title because they were overrated that year as well.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: dgies9156 on September 21, 2019, 10:22:30 PM
Gang, the only team that has even a remote chance of making the Nat Champ tournament from the Big 10 is The Ohio State University.

No one. No one else will. Michigan is badly overrated. Wisconsin will get slaughtered when they play tOSU and any SEC team.

Right now, it's Clemson, Alabama, Georgia and tOSU. Doubt anyone other than LSU could crash this party.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 21, 2019, 10:23:06 PM
Except when Wisconsin wins. And then it’s just Wisconsin beating an overrated team. As you already stated.

Aka when a game being big fits your agenda it’s a big game, and when a game being big doesn’t fit your agenda it isn’t big.

Wades, you still haven't answered (that I have seen), would you rather be in the west or east?

Second, they lost the last three...they won back in the day against Nebraska.  It wasn't even a true title back then.  UW-madison went 8-6 that year.  Ohio State was undefeated, but didn't go.  Neither did Penn State. Both were banned. So Third place Wisconsin went.  A meaningless game
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 21, 2019, 10:34:33 PM
Wades, you still haven't answered (that I have seen), would you rather be in the west or east?

Second, they lost the last three...they won back in the day against Nebraska.  It wasn't even a true title back then.  UW-madison went 8-6 that year.  Ohio State was undefeated, but didn't go.  Neither did Penn State. Both were banned. So Third place Wisconsin went.  A meaningless game

So 3 or 4 posts ago you said the B1G Title game matters. And now you’re saying the B1G Title game was meaningless. Very confusing. Which is it? If it’s meaningless like you are now arguing then only Bama and Clemson don’t suck for the past half decade. If it’s meaningful like you posted just a few minutes before you said it was meaningless then Wisconsin won back to back B1G Title games so I guess they have won meaningful games.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 21, 2019, 11:22:23 PM
???  Not sure I understand.  Last time they were undefeated was 1988 and I was in college.  I know about 7 or 8 years ago they were and got annihilated and totally outclassed in the BCS title because they were overrated that year as well.
Yes. Regular season. Outclassed, yes. Again, not overrated when you go undefeated the schedule they play.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 21, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
How far ahead do they typically schedule?  I mean in basketball, it is not uncommon to tweak the quality of your non-con based on the perceived talent on your own team.

Some teams have scheduling agreements set for as far out as 2030.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
So 3 or 4 posts ago you said the B1G Title game matters. And now you’re saying the B1G Title game was meaningless. Very confusing. Which is it? If it’s meaningless like you are now arguing then only Bama and Clemson don’t suck for the past half decade. If it’s meaningful like you posted just a few minutes before you said it was meaningless then Wisconsin won back to back B1G Title games so I guess they have won meaningful games.

How is it confusing, the year they were in it last that they won it, the top teams didn’t even participate.  The divisions were also totally different...Not east and west like now.  And of course you still won’t answer the question every Big Ten sports fan knows....the west is a joke and you would much rather be playing in the west than the east.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2019, 01:25:20 AM
UCLA vs Washington State was crazy tonight.  UCLA trailed by 32 half way in 3rd period....took the lead with 8 min to go in 4th, 60-56.

Wazzu took lead at 63-60.  Chip Kelly with a very odd call....UCLA with a 36 yard FG with 2:40 left, but he opts to go for it on 4th and 5 and fails. 

Wazzu then fumbles....UCLA takes lead 67-63 with 1:07 left.  Wazzu QB threw for 9 TD’s and they lost.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2019, 08:54:14 AM
Gang, the only team that has even a remote chance of making the Nat Champ tournament from the Big 10 is The Ohio State University.

No one. No one else will. Michigan is badly overrated. Wisconsin will get slaughtered when they play tOSU and any SEC team.

Right now, it's Clemson, Alabama, Georgia and tOSU. Doubt anyone other than LSU could crash this party.

Ding, ding, ding.  It’s possible a 4th team not in that list could sneak in but they aren’t winning the title.  The 5 teams you listed are the only legit title contenders.  I’d possibly add Auburn who has a very good defense but a green QB.  If they can develop him, they could sneak in.

As for Michigan, they were never the 11th best team in the nation.  The AP and Coaches polls are nonsense and anyone that uses them are silly.  They replaced almost all their defensive starters and have no depth on the d-line at the moment due to injuries and youth.  They will struggle with power teams like Army and Wisconsin all year.  They have 3 NFL wideouts but the QB is damaged goods.  They should move on to Dylan McCaffey, Christian’s brother
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on September 22, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
I agree that the 4-5 on the list are the best teams this year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
I’d add Oklahoma as a possible team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2019, 10:57:54 AM
I’d add Oklahoma as a possible team.

Agree.  Missed them.  They just need to play some average defense with their offense
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2019, 11:01:33 AM
You all realize that this thread is going the way of almost every other thread on Scoop?

Otherwise reasonable people arguing with a troll.

Over and over and over and .............again.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
You all realize that this thread is going the way of almost every other thread on Scoop?

Otherwise reasonable people arguing with a troll.

Over and over and over and .............again.

The Canadians have pro football....do they have college football?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 22, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
UCLA vs Washington State was crazy tonight.  UCLA trailed by 32 half way in 3rd period....took the lead with 8 min to go in 4th, 60-56.

Wazzu took lead at 63-60.  Chip Kelly with a very odd call....UCLA with a 36 yard FG with 2:40 left, but he opts to go for it on 4th and 5 and fails. 

Wazzu then fumbles....UCLA takes lead 67-63 with 1:07 left.  Wazzu QB threw for 9 TD’s and they lost.

Man. I went to bed. I figure 12.5 hours again on Saturday was enough for me when WSU was leading 42-17 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
Man. I went to bed. I figure 12.5 hours again on Saturday was enough for me when WSU was leading 42-17 in the 3rd.

WSU had a 99.9% probability to win at that point in the game per ESPN.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 22, 2019, 07:13:37 PM
My favorite team (Georgia this past week) won, so all's good.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: WarriorDad on September 22, 2019, 07:35:38 PM
My favorite team (Georgia this past week) won, so all's good.

Confession to make, Notre Dame football was part of our upbringing as Catholics.  That did not change despite the basketball rivalry.  Irish accounted well last night between the hedges.  Are the Irish pretty good, or the Bulldogs not quite as good?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 22, 2019, 11:01:23 PM
Confession to make, Notre Dame football was part of our upbringing as Catholics.  That did not change despite the basketball rivalry.  Irish accounted well last night between the hedges.  Are the Irish pretty good, or the Bulldogs not quite as good?

Doesn't matter to me. Just glad hated ND lost.

I always go back and forth on whether I want them to make the playoffs or not. When they don't, I'm always glad that they will have zero chance to win their first title in decades. But when they do, it's fun to watch them lose 123-6 on the big stage.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 23, 2019, 10:57:36 PM
Confession to make, Notre Dame football was part of our upbringing as Catholics.  That did not change despite the basketball rivalry.  Irish accounted well last night between the hedges.  Are the Irish pretty good, or the Bulldogs not quite as good?

It’s funny. ND fans are hailing this as a victory and claiming they played well.

Without an unforced muffed punt, this is a 23-3 game late in the 4th. Kirby surprisingly kicking the FG on 4th and inches late kept ND in the game. And a completely blown PI on ND was the only reason ND got a shot.

UGA didn’t play well. ND’s D played well at times but the offense was stagnant. No rushing yards and Book was under 200 yards with a pick going into the 4th. When UGA was on their game, ND was entirely overmatched.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 23, 2019, 11:07:25 PM
Confession to make, Notre Dame football was part of our upbringing as Catholics.  That did not change despite the basketball rivalry.  Irish accounted well last night between the hedges.  Are the Irish pretty good, or the Bulldogs not quite as good?

Confession to make.  I grew up Catholic next to a family of seven Domers. They SUCK in football, basketball, field hockey, academics, life and mascotting.  EOS
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 24, 2019, 07:06:06 AM
Confession to make.  I grew up Catholic next to a family of seven Domers. They SUCK in football, basketball, field hockey, academics, life and mascotting.  EOS

Confession to make:  my dad went to Notre Dame and I grew up a huge Notre Dame fan.  I still generally root for them in football, but don't follow closely like I used to.

Potential redemption story:  now that I finally have a kid that is at a school with a legit football program, I can totally see myself switching.  I've tended to become fans of my kids' colleges (when they don't conflict with being a Marquette fan, and even then with one very limited exception).
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 24, 2019, 07:54:01 AM
It’s funny. ND fans are hailing this as a victory and claiming they played well.

Without an unforced muffed punt, this is a 23-3 game late in the 4th. Kirby surprisingly kicking the FG on 4th and inches late kept ND in the game. And a completely blown PI on ND was the only reason ND got a shot.

UGA didn’t play well. ND’s D played well at times but the offense was stagnant. No rushing yards and Book was under 200 yards with a pick going into the 4th. When UGA was on their game, ND was entirely overmatched.


Georgia has a great defense though.  It really doesn't surprise me that ND had trouble moving the ball.

Anyway, ND's schedule is quite favorable.  Toughest games left are Virginia in South Bend this weekend, and at Michigan in late October.  I think they win out.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 24, 2019, 08:28:02 AM
First, players sat out in bowl games, Now, King is going to redshirt after 1-3 start,
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/houston-qb-deriq-king-to-redshirt-the-rest-of-2019-season-remain-with-program/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 24, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
First, players sat out in bowl games, Now, King is going to redshirt after 1-3 start,
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/houston-qb-deriq-king-to-redshirt-the-rest-of-2019-season-remain-with-program/

God forbid a player uses the rules in place to his advantage.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2019, 08:43:02 AM
First, players sat out in bowl games, Now, King is going to redshirt after 1-3 start,
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/houston-qb-deriq-king-to-redshirt-the-rest-of-2019-season-remain-with-program/

Smart kid
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 24, 2019, 08:54:03 AM
God forbid a player uses the rules in place to his advantage.

Doesn't always make it right. His own dad said, "Sometimes you got to be a little self-centered and do what's best for you."

I'm not sure how I feel on this. I don't think he will be at Houston in 2020.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2019, 08:54:44 AM
God forbid a player uses the rules in place to his advantage.

"I have decided the opportunity to redshirt this season gives me the best chance to develop as a player, earn my degree and set me up for the best success in the future. I'm looking forward to being part of the success of this program going forward."

Yeah! What a jerk!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 24, 2019, 08:56:54 AM
Doesn't always make it right. His own dad said, "Sometimes you got to be a little self-centered and do what's best for you."

I'm not sure how I feel on this. I don't think he will be at Houston in 2020.


How is it wrong?  A coach can leave the program under the terms of his contract, and no one really questions the ethics of it, but a player can't do the same?

Of course a player has to be "a little self-centered."  They should be.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 24, 2019, 09:01:34 AM

How is it wrong?  A coach can leave the program under the terms of his contract, and no one really questions the ethics of it, but a player can't do the same?

Of course a player has to be "a little self-centered."  They should be.

When did I say it is wrong?  Some of his teammates thinks he quit on them during the middle of the season. That is not a good look. Yet, IMO you sometimes need to do not the best look, to better yourself down the road.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 24, 2019, 09:05:11 AM
When did I say it is wrong?

Well, when you say "Doesn't always make it right," you imply it.


Some of his teammates thinks he quit on them during the middle of the season. That is not a good look. Yet, IMO you sometimes need to do not the best look, to better yourself down the road.

If he transfers elsewhere and has a great senior season, no NFL team will care about this.  It won't affect his draft status one bit.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 28, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.  Or did they tell the two teams wear old uniforms and play like you are 70 years old.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 28, 2019, 01:54:46 PM
If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.  Or did they tell the two teams wear old uniforms and play like you are 70 years old.

Maybe hold off on making conclusions about a team based on one half of football. They’ve played 7 halves of football. Overrated because 1 of those 7 halves weren’t dominant.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 28, 2019, 02:33:11 PM

How is it wrong?  A coach can leave the program under the terms of his contract, and no one really questions the ethics of it, but a player can't do the same?

Of course a player has to be "a little self-centered."  They should be.

A coach has a buyout, a coach is an employee.  A player IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE....the courts have already ruled.  That. Is. Why.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 28, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Maybe hold off on making conclusions about a team based on one half of football. They’ve played 7 halves of football. Overrated because 1 of those 7 halves weren’t dominant.

24-15 at home late against a 1-3 Northwestern team.  UW-madison extension is a good team, but if that is the 8th best team....yowza. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 28, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
24-15 at home late against a 1-3 Northwestern team.  UW-madison extension is a good team, but if that is the 8th best team....yowza.

Who’s better?

Good teams find a way to win when they aren’t playing well. We get it. You don’t like UW. Not many here do. I hate them. But it’s impossible to lose when you can say, “Look they only beat Northwestern by 9!” One week and then when they beat Michigan by 40 you can say, “Michigan is overrated!”

UVA hoops could only beat Dayton and VCU by 7 last year. You’re telling me they were the top team in college hoops? YOWZA!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 28, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
Top team in the country needed a stop on a 2 point conversion to get a win over the powerhouse football program UNC. College football sucks! Yowza!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2019, 06:04:14 PM
Who’s better?

I don’t think we get a proper read on UW until late Oct based on their schedule. Michigan is clearly not a top 20 team. Weren’t convincing in week 1 and barely snuck past Army at home before being lambasted. OSU and Iowa’s D will be interesting benchmarks.

As for who is better. UGA, Bama, Clemson, OSU, and LSU are clear for me. I’ve been impressed by what OU has done, but Houston is kind of the same situation as Michigan in not being as impressive a win as it could have been. Auburn rightly gets the nod over them cause they have 2 nice wins already. I think UW is right there with all the teams ranked between 8-12 that I wouldn’t have any issue moving any of them around. I don’t think Wisconsin is a playoff caliber team but all they have to do to win the West and likely finish in the top 10 is beat Iowa

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2019, 06:07:21 PM
Top team in the country needed a stop on a 2 point conversion to get a win over the powerhouse football program UNC. College football sucks! Yowza!

Clemson obviously doesn't belong in the Top 8. Lucked out against a very mediocre team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2019, 08:32:37 PM
Fire the Disney a-hole who scheduled these games for primetime tonight.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 28, 2019, 08:39:53 PM
Top team in the country needed a stop on a 2 point conversion to get a win over the powerhouse football program UNC.

Mack Brown bringing the glory days back.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 28, 2019, 08:42:27 PM
Fire the Disney a-hole who scheduled these games for primetime tonight.
Worst night ever. Get me to 9pm on FS1 for WSU/Utah.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 28, 2019, 08:54:37 PM
Top team in the country needed a stop on a 2 point conversion to get a win over the powerhouse football program UNC. College football sucks! Yowza!

UNC has two decent wins this year....Northwestern....lost to bad Stanford team, managed to beat UNLV.  But ok.  I guess many weeks from now we will find out since they play no one.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 28, 2019, 09:11:42 PM
UNC has two decent wins this year....Northwestern....lost to bad Stanford team, managed to beat UNLV.  But ok.  I guess many weeks from now we will find out since they play no one.

Lol. I can only imagine what you would say if it was UW barely squeaking by powerhouse UNC. Appalachian State is a very impressive program.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2019, 08:14:08 AM
Long way between now and then but at this point, the Iron Bowl could be an epic showdown
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 29, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
As one of the ESPN talking mouths said last night, they wouldn’t put Clemson in the top 6 right now through 4 games.
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Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2019, 11:19:04 AM
As one of the ESPN talking mouths said last night, they wouldn’t put Clemson in the top 6 right now through 4 games.
Many were saying that on Sirius XM. Copycat world in saying things. Winning a close game on the road as a #1team, now many are saying Clemson is not a top 5 team. Ya right.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 29, 2019, 11:32:48 AM
As one of the ESPN talking mouths said last night, they wouldn’t put Clemson in the top 6 right now through 4 games.

So who is?

Not Wisconsin. Not Clemson. GA barely beat what you’ll say is an overrated Notre Dame team while at home so not GA.

Who’s your top 6? Or 8?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 29, 2019, 11:41:34 AM
Many were saying that on Sirius XM. Copycat world in saying things. Winning a close game on the road as a #1team, now many are saying Clemson is not a top 5 team. Ya right.

Some were saying it a few weeks ago.  Their QB has looked rather pedestrian.  Last year they started out slow and built up, maybe that is what happens this year.

Meanwhile, the joke of a schedule for Becky continues for weeks. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
Michigan State comes to Madison in two weeks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 29, 2019, 11:59:01 AM
Michigan State comes to Madison in two weeks.

And Ohio State 2 weeks after that.  But to Chicos Ohio State is a cupcake.  So that top 6, or 8...who's in it?  He won't say.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2019, 01:53:53 PM
No. 24 SMU is ranked for the first time since the program received the so-called death penalty for NCAA rules violations in 1987 and did not compete for two seasons.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 29, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
And Ohio State 2 weeks after that.  But to Chicos Ohio State is a cupcake.  So that top 6, or 8...who's in it?  He won't say.

I said weeks, did I not?  Michigan State...LOL...my Hoosiers gave them fits yesterday.  OSU will be first test of the year.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on September 29, 2019, 03:54:41 PM
I said weeks, did I not?  Michigan State...LOL...my Hoosiers gave them fits yesterday.  OSU will be first test of the year.  Looking forward to it.

Who’s your top 6? Or top 8?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 29, 2019, 04:07:10 PM
Who’s your top 6? Or top 8?

In no particular order

Ohio State
Alabama
Oklahoma
Penn State
Georgia
Clemson
LSU





Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
In no particular order

Ohio State
Alabama
Oklahoma
Penn State
Georgia
Clemson
LSU

Penn St?! Their schedule is even more cupcakey than UW so far. They snuck by a mediocre Pitt team at home who has been awful other than that miracle against UCF.

Putting them above Auburn, especially after last night, is hilarious.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on September 29, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
Penn St?! Their schedule is even more cupcakey than UW so far. They snuck by a mediocre Pitt team at home who has been awful other than that miracle against UCF.

Putting them above Auburn, especially after last night, is hilarious.

Oregon played better than Auburn that entire game.  Should not have lost to Auburn.  I would not put Auburn ahead of Penn State.

PSU’s schedule has been soft.  Pitt is a big rivalry, it was a road game, PSU won.  They have rolled everyone else.  Wisconsin looked pedestrian yesterday against a team worse than Pitt, in my opinion.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 29, 2019, 05:08:56 PM
Oregon played better than Auburn that entire game.  Should not have lost to Auburn.  I would not put Auburn ahead of Penn State.

PSU’s schedule has been soft.  Pitt is a big rivalry, it was a road game, PSU won.  They have rolled everyone else.  Wisconsin looked pedestrian yesterday against a team worse than Pitt, in my opinion.

But they beat a team much better than Pitt last week. And Auburn also won at A&M.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2019, 06:38:50 PM
Auburn at Florida is this Saturday. Can't wait.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 03, 2019, 09:26:04 PM
Saturday's bigger game slate....

14 Iowa at 19 Michigan, 11am on FOX
7 Auburn at 10 Florida, 2:30 on CBS
25 Michigan State at 4 Ohio State, 6:30 on ABC
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2019, 11:54:43 AM
Ryan Leaf is doing commentary for the Wisconsin game today. He’s very good. Nice story of recovery.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2019/07/14/ryan-leaf-hired-espn-college-football-analyst-role/1731464001/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 05, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
I hear him tons on Sirius Xm. The guy has really changed his life around.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 05, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
Nothing screams October football like Uw-Madison extension and Kent State.  If only Keith Jackson we’re still alive to get this plum assignment.  ;)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2019, 01:04:24 PM
Nothing screams October football like Uw-Madison extension and Kent State.  If only Keith Jackson we’re still alive to get this plum assignment.  ;)

I mean, 3 of their next 4 are against teams that are currently ranked. They’ve already beaten the Number 11 team at the time.

Their non-conference schedule is incredibly soft.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 06, 2019, 10:35:48 AM
Penn St?! Their schedule is even more cupcakey than UW so far. They snuck by a mediocre Pitt team at home who has been awful other than that miracle against UCF.

Putting them above Auburn, especially after last night, is hilarious.

Yes, Penn State.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 06, 2019, 10:36:56 AM
I mean, 3 of their next 4 are against teams that are currently ranked. They’ve already beaten the Number 11 team at the time.

Their non-conference schedule is incredibly soft.

They will beat MSU who has a solid defense and nothing else.  Ohio State will beat Becky. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
I don't watch much college football (even though my team is undefeated since 1960), when did Michigan fans start doing the chop?  And why?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 07, 2019, 09:00:35 AM
I watch Michigan all the time. It's 4th down and they are chanting you suck.


Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 09:17:51 AM
I don't watch much college football (even though my team is undefeated since 1960), when did Michigan fans start doing the chop?  And why?

You sure it isn’t the Temptation tradition you are referencing?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TSmith34 on October 07, 2019, 10:07:36 AM
You sure it isn’t the Temptation tradition you are referencing?
Maybe so.  It was on at the health club so no sound, maybe they were yelling "you suck", but it was more of a chopping motion rather than pointing. Couldn't figure out how that was related to Wolverines.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 07, 2019, 10:15:09 AM
Yes, Penn State.

LOL, grow up.  Coming to crow about a ranking that made no sense at the time after one team loses on the road to a top 10 opponent and your team beats a 1-4 scrub team is pathetic.  But whatever, expect nothing less from you.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 07, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Maybe so.  It was on at the health club so no sound, maybe they were yelling "you suck", but it was more of a chopping motion rather than pointing. Couldn't figure out how that was related to Wolverines.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CBP61UXEY
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TSmith34 on October 07, 2019, 01:01:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CBP61UXEY
Yup, that's it.  Certainly looks like the tomahawk chop if you don't have the sound on.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 07, 2019, 01:05:58 PM
That's 12 hours every Saturday for 30 years of cfb watching in knowing what you might have saw.  ;)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 05:16:13 PM
LOL, grow up.  Coming to crow about a ranking that made no sense at the time after one team loses on the road to a top 10 opponent and your team beats a 1-4 scrub team is pathetic.  But whatever, expect nothing less from you.

I went by the eye test.  I’ll stick to it.  They may not be that good, but I think better than you are giving them credit for.  Auburn, overhyped.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on October 07, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
I went by the eye test.  I’ll stick to it.  They may not be that good, but I think better than you are giving them credit for.  Auburn, overhyped.

Eye test?  Come on man.  This is confirmation bias nonsense.  The eye test for a team that in 5 games has beaten 3 bad teams, went into halftime trailing a horrible Buffalo team, and tried to give the game to Pitt multiple times?  Compared to one that wasn't over-ranked highly coming in, and rose up the basis of beating multiple good teams (Even Tulane is as good a win as any PSU has).  And they were in a 3 point game on the road until late in the 4th.  Overhyped, lol.

I hate Wisconsin with all my heart, but you championing Penn St while crapping on Wisconsin thus far tells me all I need to know about your "eye tests".
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 05:34:16 PM
Eye test?  Come on man.  This is confirmation bias nonsense.  The eye test for a team that in 5 games has beaten 3 bad teams, went into halftime trailing a horrible Buffalo team, and tried to give the game to Pitt multiple times?  Compared to one that wasn't over-ranked highly coming in, and rose up the basis of beating multiple good teams (Even Tulane is as good a win as any PSU has).  And they were in a 3 point game on the road until late in the 4th.  Overhyped, lol.

I hate Wisconsin with all my heart, but you championing Penn St while crapping on Wisconsin thus far tells me all I need to know about your "eye tests".

His “eye test” is “do I like the program/school? If so they’re underrated. If not then they play a cupcake schedule, every team they beat is overrated, and they suck.”

Auburn? They suck, haven’t played anyone good because Oregon is overrated and FL is overhyped. But that PSU team, very impressive season so far dominating the powerhouses Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland, Purdue, and Pitt. Every one of those programs would smoke Michigan, Wisconsin, Oregon, and Florida. My eyes tell me so.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2019, 07:20:49 PM
Speaking of Penn State, check this out

https://twitter.com/cjho1mes/status/1181333130780844032?s=21
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Eye test?  Come on man.  This is confirmation bias nonsense.  The eye test for a team that in 5 games has beaten 3 bad teams, went into halftime trailing a horrible Buffalo team, and tried to give the game to Pitt multiple times?  Compared to one that wasn't over-ranked highly coming in, and rose up the basis of beating multiple good teams (Even Tulane is as good a win as any PSU has).  And they were in a 3 point game on the road until late in the 4th.  Overhyped, lol.

I hate Wisconsin with all my heart, but you championing Penn St while crapping on Wisconsin thus far tells me all I need to know about your "eye tests".

They are ranked 5th through 8th in the power ratings.  They may not be that good, I don’t know.  In the limited time I have seen them play, they looked pretty good.  And yes, my eyes are definitely going south.

They may be trash and living on a bad schedule. Auburn has looked good, but overhyped to me.  Georgia and Clemson, the same.  But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good and can become great by season’s end.  OSU has been best team I have seen thus far this year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 08:11:08 PM
His “eye test” is “do I like the program/school? If so they’re underrated. If not then they play a cupcake schedule, every team they beat is overrated, and they suck.”

Auburn? They suck, haven’t played anyone good because Oregon is overrated and FL is overhyped. But that PSU team, very impressive season so far dominating the powerhouses Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland, Purdue, and Pitt. Every one of those programs would smoke Michigan, Wisconsin, Oregon, and Florida. My eyes tell me so.

Nope.  I happen to not care for Alabama at all, still think they are good.  Not a big fan of OSU, think they are a great team.  There are programs I like a lot, and they suck and will happily admit it.

Your theory not so good.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
They are ranked 5th through 8th in the power ratings.  They may not be that good, I don’t know.  In the limited time I have seen them play, they looked pretty good.  And yes, my eyes are definitely going south.

They may be trash and living on a bad schedule. Auburn has looked good, but overhyped to me.  Georgia and Clemson, the same.  But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good and can become great by season’s end.  OSU has been best team I have seen thus far this year.

Wait. So you don’t pay attention to the polls, but you use “power ratings” as evidence of how good PSU is? 😂
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
Wait. So you don’t pay attention to the polls, but you use “power ratings” as evidence of how good PSU is? 😂

I trust computers more than people, if that is what you are asking.  Yes.  I don’t mind human polls toward the end of the season, find that unreliable early.

Incidentally, as much as I hate WI, I didn’t say they weren’t any good.  In fact I said they were good and potentially very good, but their schedule, especially historically, leaves me guessing how good they really are.  We will find out a little bit against MSU, who I think is so so.  I expect OSU to handle them easily.  If not, well then they will prove they are the real deal.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
I trust computers more than people, if that is what you are asking.  Yes.  I don’t mind human polls toward the end of the season, find that unreliable early.

Incidentally, as much as I hate WI, I didn’t say they weren’t any good.  In fact I said they were good and potentially very good, but their schedule, especially historically, leaves me guessing how good they really are.  We will find out a little bit against MSU, who I think is so so.  I expect OSU to handle them easily.  If not, well then they will prove they are the real deal.

So you’re going with...Wisconsin might be good. They might be the real deal. Or they might not be good.

Way to go out on a limb there!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 09:59:37 PM
If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.  Or did they tell the two teams wear old uniforms and play like you are 70 years old.

Cheeks: “I never said UW wasn’t good. In fact I said they are good.”

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old. No, you never said the words “UW sucks.” But anyone with one iota of an ability to comprehend the written words sees exactly what you’re saying here. Your playing the dumb victim is hilarious given how you love to shout from the mountain tops how intelligent you are.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
Cheeks: “I never said UW wasn’t good. In fact I said they are good.”

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old. No, you never said the words “UW sucks.” But anyone with one iota of an ability to comprehend the written words sees exactly what you’re saying here. Your playing the dumb victim is hilarious given how you love to shout from the mountain tops how intelligent you are.

I said a few weeks ago...far different than your imaginary interpretation.

“I think they are a good team, and have a Heisman candidate back....and they will be highly ranked all year because of the soft schedule, but until they finally win a meaningful game on the national stage that’s where I am.”
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
I said a few weeks ago...far different than your imaginary interpretation.

“I think they are a good team, and have a Heisman candidate back....and they will be highly ranked all year because of the soft schedule, but until they finally win a meaningful game on the national stage that’s where I am.”

Hmm.

“If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.”

I’ll repeat that.

“ If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.”

There’s genuinely no possible other way to interpret that beyond “Wisconsin is not a quality team.” So in your definition “not a quality team” = “a good team.”

Makes a lot of sense, given who’s posting.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 11:24:04 PM
Hmm.

“If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.”

I’ll repeat that.

“ If this is the 8th best team in the nation, college football has a problem with lack of quality.”

There’s genuinely no possible other way to interpret that beyond “Wisconsin is not a quality team.” So in your definition “not a quality team” = “a good team.”

Makes a lot of sense, given who’s posting.

Cherry picking again.  I also said this...in the same thread only a few posts later...

“24-15 at home late against a 1-3 Northwestern team.  UW-madison extension is a good team, but if that is the 8th best team....yowza. “


I guess you just ignore where I said they are a good team just not the 8th best team.  Tell me, is it possible to be a good team, just not a top 10 team or are only good teams ranked 8th and above?  LOL.  Makes a lot of sense considering who is whining they didn’t bother with the complete picture I stated.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 07, 2019, 11:25:54 PM
So you’re going with...Wisconsin might be good. They might be the real deal. Or they might not be good.

Way to go out on a limb there!

Because their schedule sucks balls most years, that is the position we find ourselves in.  I have repeatedly, multiple times, said they are good.  We will find out how good when they finally play someone.  Not hard to understand for most people.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 07, 2019, 11:40:20 PM
Cherry picking again.  I also said this...in the same thread only a few posts later...

“24-15 at home late against a 1-3 Northwestern team.  UW-madison extension is a good team, but if that is the 8th best team....yowza. “


I guess you just ignore where I said they are a good team just not the 8th best team.  Tell me, is it possible to be a good team, just not a top 10 team or are only good teams ranked 8th and above?  LOL.  Makes a lot of sense considering who is whining they didn’t bother with the complete picture I stated.

Cherry pick? Your entire post was about how awful college football is if Wisconsin is the 8th best team in the country.

So there’s a gap the size of the Grand Canyon between the 8th and 10th best team in college football? College football has a quality issue if UW is the 8th best team, but if they’re the 10th best team all is right in the world?

LOL indeed.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: TSmith34 on October 08, 2019, 06:08:33 AM
Cheeks: “I never said UW wasn’t good. In fact I said they are good.”

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old.
A 5 year old that can never EVER under any circumstances admit they were wrong.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 08:37:55 AM
A 5 year old that can never EVER under any circumstances admit they were wrong.

I have admitted I am wrong on countless occasions here.  So your statement is incorrect....again...nothing new for you.

And if I provided just one example or 50, you would then have to apologize and admit you are wrong, or then you are a 5 year old?  LOL.  Let me know on that one.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
Cherry pick? Your entire post was about how awful college football is if Wisconsin is the 8th best team in the country.

So there’s a gap the size of the Grand Canyon between the 8th and 10th best team in college football? College football has a quality issue if UW is the 8th best team, but if they’re the 10th best team all is right in the world?

LOL indeed.

I didn’t realize how hard this is for you.  LOL. 

Let’s repeat what I actually said.

Wisconsin is good. I Said MULTIPLE TIMES.  Yes or no?

How good are they?  I don’t know because their schedule sucks.  Yes or no?

Do I think they are the 8th best team? No, I do not.  Does that, therefore, mean they suck or are not good?  Nope...but that’s your translation?  LOL

Let’s do this in a form you and maybe even TSmith can process, do I think MU basketball will be good this year?  Yes.  Do I think they are top 10 material?  No.  Does that mean they aren’t good or suck?  Now you ask yourself the same questions.

Amazing. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 08, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
I didn’t realize how hard this is for you.  LOL. 

Let’s repeat what I actually said.

Wisconsin is good. I Said MULTIPLE TIMES.  Yes or no?

How good are they?  I don’t know because their schedule sucks.  Yes or no?

Do I think they are the 8th best team? No, I do not.  Does that, therefore, mean they suck or are not good?  Nope...but that’s your translation?  LOL

Let’s do this in a form you and maybe even TSmith can process, do I think MU basketball will be good this year?  Yes.  Do I think they are top 10 material?  No.  Does that mean they aren’t good or suck?  Now you ask yourself the same questions.

Amazing.

Yet college football has a quality issue if Wisconsin is one of the top teams in the country.  Which means...what exactly?  It means Wisconsin is good?  LOL!  You sure do have a way with words Cheeks.

You're either dumb or you're unwilling to admit you got caught.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 08, 2019, 09:01:11 AM
Speaking of cherry picking, is the B1G title game a big game or not?  I'm still confused on that one.  According to you, Wisconsin can't win the big game.  Wisconsin won back to back B1G title games.  So I have to assume the B1G title game is NOT a big game, given that Wisconsin cannot win the big game and has won B1G title games.

So we're back to Bama and Clemson have been good football teams in the past half decade.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 09:09:39 AM
Yet college football has a quality issue if Wisconsin is one of the top teams in the country.  Which means...what exactly?  It means Wisconsin is good?  LOL!  You sure do have a way with words Cheeks.

You're either dumb or you're unwilling to admit you got caught.

Uhm, sorry but both can be true.  Again, troubling how hard this is for you.

There were a number of people here last year when MU made the top 10 that said MU is good, even really good, but if they are the top 10 team in the nation that shows college basketball in general has quality issues....usually meaning depth of teams.  That was legitimate point. 

You see, both can be true.  You can be good, but also be a down year for college football or basketball. Was last year a good year for the Big East basketball?  Most will say no.  Most will say we finished second because it was a bad year.  Villanova won the Big East last year in a down year...lack of quality....does this mean Villanova sucked last year?

Keep on digging the hole on this one, you know damn well I said UW was good in football, how good I don’t know and until they play someone real we won’t know.  I also said they aren’t the 8th best team in the country....both can be right and are not mutually exclusive in any way.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 09:13:13 AM
Speaking of cherry picking, is the B1G title game a big game or not?  I'm still confused on that one.  According to you, Wisconsin can't win the big game.  Wisconsin won back to back B1G title games.  So I have to assume the B1G title game is NOT a big game, given that Wisconsin cannot win the big game and has won B1G title games.

So we're back to Bama and Clemson have been good football teams in the past half decade.

What was the issue in that year....the two top teams had were left out because of punishment reasons.  Sorry nuance is lost on you, but OSU (undefeated) and PSU not allowed to participate.  Sure, it is a big game, one with a huge asterisk on it.  Tell me how have they done in the last few Big Ten title games?  In two of them they came in the higher rated team and lost anyway...thus why I don’t trust ratings with Wisconsin because they build them up with their faux schedule each year while others fall back playing more quality opponents.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 08, 2019, 09:20:32 AM
Uhm, sorry but both can be true.  Again, troubling how hard this is for you.

There were a number of people here last year when MU made the top 10 that said MU is good, even really good, but if they are the top 10 team in the nation that shows college basketball in general has quality issues....usually meaning depth of teams.  That was legitimate point. 

You see, both can be true.  You can be good, but also be a down year for college football or basketball. Was last year a good year for the Big East basketball?  Most will say no.  Most will say we finished second because it was a bad year.  Villanova won the Big East last year in a down year...lack of quality....does this mean Villanova sucked last year?

Keep on digging the hole on this one, you know damn well I said UW was good in football, how good I don’t know and until they play someone real we won’t know.  I also said they aren’t the 8th best team in the country....both can be right and are not mutually exclusive in any way.

Villanova was not very good last year, no.  There's no hole to dig in.  When you're pointing to a team as proof that a sport has an issue, that means you consider that team to not be very good.  Unless you're just dumb.

What was the issue in that year....the two top teams had were left out because of punishment reasons.  Sorry nuance is lost on you, but OSU (undefeated) and PSU not allowed to participate.  Sure, it is a big game, one with a huge asterisk on it.  Tell me how have they done in the last few Big Ten title games?  In two of them they came in the higher rated team and lost anyway...thus why I don’t trust ratings with Wisconsin because they build them up with their faux schedule each year while others fall back playing more quality opponents.

In what year?  They won it back to back years...

Absolutely hysterical to hear you talk about cherry picking...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
Villanova was not very good last year, no.  There's no hole to dig in.  When you're pointing to a team as proof that a sport has an issue, that means you consider that team to not be very good.  Unless you're just dumb.

In what year?  They won it back to back years...

Absolutely hysterical to hear you talk about cherry picking...

Villanova was good last year, they were not very good...correct.   I said Wisconsin was good this year, very good hasn’t come into the equation yet.  Glad I remain consistent.  Villanova certainly wasn’t bad last year or sucked, as you have implied I said about Wisconsin.  Keep digging.  Keep digging.

How has Wisconsin done the last three Big ten title games, two of which they were the higher rated team and the third one in which they were ranked....wait for it...8th...and lost 59-0.  Thanks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 08, 2019, 09:51:23 AM
Villanova was good last year, they were not very good...correct.   I said Wisconsin was good this year, very good hasn’t come into the equation yet.  Glad I remain consistent.  Villanova certainly wasn’t bad last year or sucked, as you have implied I said about Wisconsin.  Keep digging.  Keep digging.

How has Wisconsin done the last three Big ten title games, two of which they were the higher rated team and the third one in which they were ranked....wait for it...8th...and lost 59-0.  Thanks.

Lol.  Like arguing with a 5 year old.  But that might be an insult to 5 year olds.

Step 1 for you is to get a grasp of the English language.  Step 2 would be to quit twisting yourself into a pretzel.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2019, 05:53:46 PM
The Penn State alum who sent the letter to a player complaining about his dreadlocks clarified his position


https://twitter.com/culturedmodesty/status/1181630578048811008?s=21
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 08, 2019, 06:07:13 PM
The Penn State alum who sent the letter to a player complaining about his dreadlocks clarified his position


https://twitter.com/culturedmodesty/status/1181630578048811008?s=21

Maybe they could wear fedoras and a white shirt and tie. Dig up Bear Bryant and prop him up on the sidelines.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2019, 06:11:52 PM
Maybe they could wear fedoras and a white shirt and tie. Dig up Bear Bryant and prop him up on the sidelines.

I’d hate to hear his opinions on Joe Paterno
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 08, 2019, 06:12:26 PM
I’d hate to hear his opinions on Joe Paterno

 :)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on October 08, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
The Penn State alum who sent the letter to a player complaining about his dreadlocks clarified his position


https://twitter.com/culturedmodesty/status/1181630578048811008?s=21

I'm sure he has many quality hot takes on tattoos and touchdown celebrations.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 08, 2019, 07:36:24 PM
I'm sure he has many quality hot takes on tattoos and touchdown celebrations.



... and, kissing on the 1st date.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on October 08, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
Class of 66, which makes him 75.   Grumpy old guy shaking his fist and yelling get off my lawn.  Every fanbase and message board has them.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 08, 2019, 10:56:25 PM
Lol.  Like arguing with a 5 year old.  But that might be an insult to 5 year olds.

Step 1 for you is to get a grasp of the English language.  Step 2 would be to quit twisting yourself into a pretzel.

LOL

Villanova was good last year, not very good, but good.  They weren’t in the top 10, the Big East wasn’t very good quality, etc.  That did not make Nova bad, or sucks. 

Wisconsin is good this year, and I have said it multiple times.  Whether they are very good I don’t know, their schedule sucks so it is hard to say. 

No pretzel.  You just aren’t able to process the very simple construct that UW can merely be good, college football in general not that good, lack of depth or quality teams...both can be accurate without any twisting at all.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: WithoutBias on October 09, 2019, 06:32:24 AM
people seriously dont know what the phrase “not very good” means? wtf?

cheeky when hoopaloop told you your steak “wasnt very good” over a few beers and exchanged disney tickets your response was “glad you liked it!”?!?! what a f*cking moron! i hope this is just you being so unwilling to admit youre wrong that youre willing to make yourself look dumber and dumber with every post, and not that you are actually this stupid.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 09, 2019, 06:54:34 AM
people seriously dont know what the phrase “not very good” means? wtf?

cheeky when hoopaloop told you your steak “wasnt very good” over a few beers and exchanged disney tickets your response was “glad you liked it!”?!?! what a f*cking moron! i hope this is just you being so unwilling to admit youre wrong that youre willing to make yourself look dumber and dumber with every post, and not that you are actually this stupid.

Lol


Let’s eat, grandma.  Let’s eat grandma.

See how meanings can change.

The Washington Redskins are not very good.   (Meaning they are bad).

The Dallas Cowboys are good, but are not very good. (Meaning they are good, but not better than good...they are not in the VERY GOOD category).

Are we clear now?  There is nothing to admit I am wrong on here. When I am wrong, I admit it.  If I am not, I don’t.


In the end, did I say Wisconsin is a good football team this year?   This is where Wades hang up is.  He says I think they suck because I don’t care for the school, despite the fact on multiple occasions I have said they are good.   How good, I don’t know.  Wades just won’t admit he is wrong in his accusation here. For the umpeenth time, UW Madison extension is a good football team this year.  I ALSO don’t think the overall quality of college football is that great.  Both can and are true in my opinion.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 09, 2019, 08:11:38 AM
Lol


Let’s eat, grandma.  Let’s eat grandma.

See how meanings can change.

The Washington Redskins are not very good.   (Meaning they are bad).

The Dallas Cowboys are good, but are not very good. (Meaning they are good, but not better than good...they are not in the VERY GOOD category).

Are we clear now?  There is nothing to admit I am wrong on here. When I am wrong, I admit it.  If I am not, I don’t.


In the end, did I say Wisconsin is a good football team this year?   This is where Wades hang up is.  He says I think they suck because I don’t care for the school, despite the fact on multiple occasions I have said they are good.   How good, I don’t know.  Wades just won’t admit he is wrong in his accusation here. For the umpeenth time, UW Madison extension is a good football team this year.  I ALSO don’t think the overall quality of college football is that great.  Both can and are true in my opinion.

When anyone else wants to say something is good: "(whatever they're describing) is good."

When Cheeks wants to say something is good: "(whatever he's describing) isn't very good."

It all makes sense Cheeks.  It all makes sense.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 10, 2019, 05:44:24 AM
When anyone else wants to say something is good: "(whatever they're describing) is good."

When Cheeks wants to say something is good: "(whatever he's describing) isn't very good."

It all makes sense Cheeks.  It all makes sense.

Did I say Wisconsin was good in football multiple times in the last few weeks?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 10, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
Did I say Wisconsin was good in football multiple times in the last few weeks?

I don't believe you've called Wisconsin not very good, so no, I don't think you said that.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 10, 2019, 09:18:01 AM
I don't believe you've called Wisconsin not very good, so no, I don't think you said that.

You inability to acknowledge what I said multiple times is all I need to know. I even highlighted it for you. Sorry you dug yourself in such an odd place that you cannot acknowledge it.

I’ll say it for the umpteenth time, Wisconsin is a good team, I don’t know how good because their schedule is a joke.  They might be great, we will find out in a few weeks.  I don’t think they are the 8th best team and college football in general, the quality level this year in my opinion, appears down. 

Thanks...hope your shovel holds up.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 10, 2019, 09:29:02 AM
You inability to acknowledge what I said multiple times is all I need to know. I even highlighted it for you. Sorry you dug yourself in such an odd place that you cannot acknowledge it.

I’ll say it for the umpteenth time, Wisconsin is a good team, I don’t know how good because their schedule is a joke.  They might be great, we will find out in a few weeks.  I don’t think they are the 8th best team and college football in general, the quality level this year in my opinion, appears down. 

Thanks...hope your shovel holds up.

My shovel has no problem.  You're the one who's saying that if Wisconsin is a top team in the country then college football has a quality issue.  You even added "Yowza!" at the end.  It was pretty cool.

That's how most people talk about teams they consider to be good though (or, in your vernacular, "not very good," which, of course, means "good" - to you and only you).

So yes, you've said it both ways, as you always do.  "Wisconsin is good.  But I don't know how good."  "Wisconsin might be good, they might just be a bad team with a bad schedule, or they might be great if they beat up on Ohio State."  "Wisconsin as one of the top teams in the nation?  YOWZA!"

So who knows what you're saying?  All I know is pretzels are delicious.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 10, 2019, 09:33:31 AM
My shovel has no problem.  You're the one who's saying that if Wisconsin is a top team in the country then college football has a quality issue.  You even added "Yowza!" at the end.  It was pretty cool.

That's how most people talk about teams they consider to be good though (or, in your vernacular, "not very good," which, of course, means "good" - to you and only you).

So yes, you've said it both ways, as you always do.  "Wisconsin is good.  But I don't know how good."  "Wisconsin might be good, they might just be a bad team with a bad schedule, or they might be great if they beat up on Ohio State."  "Wisconsin as one of the top teams in the nation?  YOWZA!"

So who knows what you're saying?  All I know is pretzels are delicious.

These pretzels are very old and very stale.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on October 10, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
*Seinfeld pretzels are making me thirsty gif*
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 11, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
It's about time. Many big games this Saturday.

Oklahoma vs. Texas 11:00 am FOX
Alabama at Texas A&M 2:30 pm CBS
Florida State at Clemson 2:30 pm ABC (It used it be)
Michigan State at Wisconsin 2:30 pm BTN
Texas Tech at Baylor 3:00 pm FS1
Nebraska at Minnesota 6:30 pm FS1
Penn State at Iowa 6:30 pm ABC
USC at Notre Dame 6:30 pm NBC 
Florida at LSU 7:00 pm ESPN
Washington at Arizona 10:00 pm FS1 

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 02:44:00 PM
Auburn has looked good, but overhyped to me.  Georgia and Clemson, the same.  But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good and can become great by season’s end.  OSU has been best team I have seen thus far this year.

They’ve looked a bit overhyped all year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 12, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
They’ve looked a bit overhyped all year.

Huh? The only game they’d played within 23 points before today was a win over a top 10 team.

I’m 100% convinced you haven’t watched any college football over the past 5 years.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 04:16:52 PM
Huh? The only game they’d played within 23 points before today was a win over a top 10 team.

I’m 100% convinced you haven’t watched any college football over the past 5 years.

Not only are you wrong, but speculated wrong.  Went to several of the last five Rose Bowls, attended the national championship game twice, watch every weekend.

I said they looked overhyped a few weeks ago.  They did not look good against Notre Dame.  Just as I said on the NFL side that the Packers has edge over Cowboys.  I’m sorry if you don’t like my comments, but they look like they are holding up thus far. 

Let me know about the Counsell claims, wars and bells, non stop talking or whatever it was.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 12, 2019, 04:35:55 PM
Georgia was so bad today.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 12, 2019, 05:02:46 PM
Georgia was so bad today.

True - but they were only rated so high because they were in the SEC.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 12, 2019, 05:05:20 PM
With a little luck (and with backups on defense for UW), MSU might break the 100 yard barrier today.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: forgetful on October 12, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Georgia was so bad today.

College football is just bad in general.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 12, 2019, 05:22:28 PM
College football is just bad in general.
?-(
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
College football is just bad in general.

It is.  The games are wild in a “watching a disaster unfold” kind of way but rarely do games between top teams live up to the hype. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Wisconsin’s top recruit, quarterback Graham Mertz, has only played two games this year. Looks like they want him to redshirt. Someone grab Chico’s his fainting couch.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 12, 2019, 05:47:37 PM
Lookin' like UW could get a Natty befour MU, aina?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 12, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
Wisconsin’s top recruit, quarterback Graham Mertz, has only played two games this year. Looks like they want him to redshirt. Someone grab Chico’s his fainting couch.

Yep. That was the plan for him this year once Coan won the job.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 06:47:30 PM
For you old schoolers, the Dick Butkus press conference yesterday is pretty great...Illinois unveiled a statue in his honor.  The genes passed on. Butkus sharp as a tack still.

Talks about today's kids, the ME ME ME generation vs team. If you are fragile, don't watch it.

His grandson is plays volleyball for UCLA, 6'9" middle. 

Good stuff

https://sports.yahoo.com/illinois-unveils-statue-of-dick-butkus-next-to-memorial-stadium-194310029.html
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 06:48:43 PM
Lookin' like UW could get a Natty befour MU, aina?

LOL.  I think OSU will dispatch of that fantasy in a few weeks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 12, 2019, 09:15:02 PM
Not only are you wrong, but speculated wrong.  Went to several of the last five Rose Bowls, attended the national championship game twice, watch every weekend.

I said they looked overhyped a few weeks ago.  They did not look good against Notre Dame.  Just as I said on the NFL side that the Packers has edge over Cowboys.  I’m sorry if you don’t like my comments, but they look like they are holding up thus far. 

Let me know about the Counsell claims, wars and bells, non stop talking or whatever it was.

Your judgements are holding up? Huh? UW overhyped? Clemson overhyped? PSU a top 7 team? Wut?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 10:11:35 PM
Your judgements are holding up? Huh? UW overhyped? Clemson overhyped? PSU a top 7 team? Wut?

I said Georgia overhyped...yup..looked so so against ND (who looked so so tonight against an average USC team)...check

Clemson I said was overhyped, but could get better like they did last year.  They look to be getting it going...check.

UW...said we would find out in a few weeks, MSU could barely beat IU and has no offense...we will find out in a few weeks as I said....check

Penn State went on the road to beat Iowa...check



Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 12, 2019, 10:12:33 PM
I said Georgia overhyped...yup..looked so so against ND (who looked so so tonight against an average USC team)...check

Clemson I said was overhyped, but could get better like they did last year.  They look to be getting it going...check.

UW...said we would find out in a few weeks, MSU could barely beat IU and has no offense...we will find out in a few weeks as I said....check

Penn State went on the road to beat Iowa...check

😂😂😂
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 12, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
😂😂😂

I know, it's tough.  UGa losing, PSU keeps winning.  UW-madison extension piling up wins but not against anyone of note.  Clemson, have to give them credit...they are putting it together.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 12, 2019, 10:17:33 PM
I know, it's tough.  UGa losing, PSU keeps winning.  UW-madison extension piling up wins but not against anyone of note.  Clemson, have to give them credit...they are putting it together.

Lol. So when UW Madison keeps winning its “against nobody of note.” But with a worse schedule PSU just “keeps winning.”

You’re the best Cheeks/chicos/hoopaloop/warriordad
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on October 13, 2019, 07:12:01 AM
I don't follow college football that closely but here's what I do know.  Running Hornibrook out of town and replacing him with Coan plus the maturation of the D from last year coupled with a world class running game makes this version of Bucky one of the best that I can remember in my near 60 years.  Are they Final 4 good?  Time will tell. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: real chili 83 on October 13, 2019, 07:14:44 AM
ND sucks. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 13, 2019, 06:42:17 PM
True - but they were only rated so high because they were in the SEC.

My main man, Tim Brando is speaking the same ballpark about Georgia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1183510278807285763
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 13, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Lol. So when UW Madison keeps winning its “against nobody of note.” But with a worse schedule PSU just “keeps winning.”

You’re the best Cheeks/chicos/hoopaloop/warriordad

Not warriordad, but ok.

We all have our opinions.  Looking forward to Ohio State vs Wisconsin.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: WarriorDad on October 13, 2019, 09:37:38 PM
Dick Butkus was the best college football player my dad ever saw play in person.  Butkus’ telling about his college grandson playing volleyball instead of football because of concussions, but suffering a concussion in volleyball was classic Butkus storytelling. 

Wisconsin, best team of theirs since 2010.  That team played against TCU in a top 5 matchup.  Fantastic bowl game. 

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 19, 2019, 02:22:44 PM
Thanks Bucky for ruining the major showdown on FOX next Saturday.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on October 19, 2019, 02:24:01 PM
That's gonna leave a mark.   :o
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GB Warrior on October 19, 2019, 02:24:49 PM
That's a real bummer.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 19, 2019, 02:27:24 PM
Bucky uckfayed demselvs, hey?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 19, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on October 19, 2019, 02:43:10 PM
*Seinfeld "that's a shame" gif*
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 19, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
Thanks Bucky for ruining the major showdown on FOX next Saturday.

Becky shat the bed, that was funny.  Reminded me of a few ncaa tournament games...but Illinois fans will take it.  Every year they fall when the CFP nonsense is brought up with them, but at Illinois...bwa  hah bwa hah. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
Didn't see the game because I just got home from umpiring, but I laughed my arse off when I saw the F%cky score. Just get ND to lose one more time this season, and it's a success!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 19, 2019, 04:20:00 PM
30.5 point favorites, second biggest Big 14 upset ever. Epic.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2019, 04:26:38 PM
30.5 point favorites, second biggest Big 14 upset ever. Epic.

Potrykus might walk in front of a bus, the poor guy
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on October 19, 2019, 04:34:48 PM
30.5 point favorites, second biggest Big 14 upset ever. Epic.

A money maker for me. I thought UW would win by10-14 points. To get 30+ points was nuts.

Brutal coaching job, though.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 19, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
UW stepped on their collective Johnsons, aina?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on October 19, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
Wisconsin can only play one sort of way. They are very good at it, but still, much like the basketball team, given that deliberate, non-fluid style, they are beatable if you can get a crack in the armor.

Illinois did the same thing to OSU about 10 years ago, but that Illinois team was actually pretty good and made the Rose Bowl (before getting walloped, but still).

Wisconsin went from supposedly eyeing a playoff bid to now probably having to win at Minnesota to save their West title. I can’t see them winning at OSU. I wouldn’t have even if they beat Illinois by 40 today though either
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 20, 2019, 02:24:42 AM
Fraud CFP contender

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2019/10/19/college-football-week-8-takeaways-wisconsin-michigan/4043337002/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on October 20, 2019, 12:09:04 PM
A money maker for me. I thought UW would win by10-14 points. To get 30+ points was nuts.

Brutal coaching job, though.

brand, curious if you also bet that Ohio State wouldn't cover at Northwestern. I think they were 27-point favorites.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: WarriorDad on October 20, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
A little quieter here this weekend.  Still cannot believe the Illini won that game.  They fooled me, Wisconsin had a chance to go to the playoffs based on my viewing this year. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 20, 2019, 09:37:03 PM
A little quieter here this weekend.  Still cannot believe the Illini won that game.  They fooled me, Wisconsin had a chance to go to the playoffs based on my viewing this year.

Yes, a couple of chortlers seem to have ignored this thread since yesterday after lecturing a number of us for weeks how great Uw-madison extension was this season.  LOL.

They are good, but how good was going to be told this week.  Sadly for them, it came a week early.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 20, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
Nothing better than Cheeks personalities having discussions with themselves.

And cheeks claiming other people are lecturing others.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 21, 2019, 12:36:34 AM
Nothing better than Cheeks personalities having discussions with themselves.

And cheeks claiming other people are lecturing others.

Continue to be wrong if you wish.  How was Bucky yesterday?  LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 25, 2019, 12:06:15 AM
59-0 to the 3rd string QB.  That was fun

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27897509/ohio-state-59-wisconsin-0-shocking-blowout-turned-first-college-football-playoff-race-upside-down
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2019, 06:29:58 AM
59-0 to the 3rd string QB.  That was fun

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27897509/ohio-state-59-wisconsin-0-shocking-blowout-turned-first-college-football-playoff-race-upside-down

Why is this relevant to college football in 2019-20?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: dgies9156 on October 25, 2019, 08:56:43 AM
Wonder if Santa Lovie got a one-week extension down in Champaign after upsetting the Rodent.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 25, 2019, 09:20:02 AM
Why is this relevant to college football in 2019-20?

I don’t know...ESPN posted it yesterday, they think it is relevant...I’m guessing because of the matchup this week.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 25, 2019, 09:40:41 AM
I don’t know...ESPN posted it yesterday, they think it is relevant...I’m guessing because of the matchup this week.

Unable to think independently.  Whatever ESPN tells you is relevant is relevant.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 25, 2019, 11:44:29 AM
Lot's of meat on the bone this weekend............
Wisconsin at Ohio State 11:00 am FOX 
Auburn at LSU 2:30 pm CBS 
Penn State at Michigan State 2:30 pm ABC 
Texas at TCU 2:30 pm FOX 
Oklahoma State at Iowa State 2:30 pm FS1 
Notre Dame at Michigan 6:30 pm ABC 
California at Utah 9:00 pm FS1
Washington State at Oregon 9:30 pm ESPN 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
I've mostly laughed at Harbaugh's inability to beat any good teams, but I'll love him like a brother if he does it tomorrow.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
I've mostly laughed at Harbaugh's inability to beat any good teams, but I'll love him like a brother if he does it tomorrow.

I admit to being torn.    Any time ND loses =good.     Any time Michigan and Harbaugh lose = also good.     Kickoff should come with a driving rain storm.   Which should had to the pleasure of the 110 k in the big house.   
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on October 25, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
I admit to being torn.    Any time ND loses =good.     Any time Michigan and Harbaugh lose = also good.     Kickoff should come with a driving rain storm.   Which should had to the pleasure of the 110 k in the big house.   

Hopefully ND doesn't bring any scissor lifts.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 25, 2019, 08:07:13 PM
Unable to think independently.  Whatever ESPN tells you is relevant is relevant.

How did the Badgers do last Saturday...you have been so quiet...miss the game? 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2019, 11:05:49 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/twitter-user-floats-quite-the-conspiracy-about-clemson-footballs-methods-of-cheating
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on October 26, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
59-0 to the 3rd string QB.  That was fun

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27897509/ohio-state-59-wisconsin-0-shocking-blowout-turned-first-college-football-playoff-race-upside-down

The third string QB that led them to the national title 2 games later.

How did the Badgers do last Saturday...you have been so quiet...miss the game? 

Did miss the game. Saw they lost which is hilariously awesome. Nothing better than the Badgers blowing a shot at a CFP.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 26, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
The third string QB that led them to the national title 2 games later.

Did miss the game. Saw they lost which is hilariously awesome. Nothing better than the Badgers blowing a shot at a CFP.

59-0 by the third string QB entering the game as the underdog.


The Badgers punter is helluva player...enjoyed seeing him in action today.  One of the better performances I have seen.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 26, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
OUTCLASSED
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 26, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Kansas State putting the beatdown on Oklahoma. Goodbye OU!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 26, 2019, 02:18:14 PM
Fire McCall.

The fact that he still has a job is disgraceful.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on October 26, 2019, 03:23:04 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/twitter-user-floats-quite-the-conspiracy-about-clemson-footballs-methods-of-cheating

He lost me with the absurd statement that”ncaa knows that EVERYONE CHEATS”. Simply wrong.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on October 26, 2019, 04:43:06 PM
This could be my favorite day of the college football season. One down, one to go. Go Wolverines!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on October 26, 2019, 09:47:43 PM
F@cky and Frauder Dame lose by a combined 472-4. A great day of college football!!!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 02:31:52 PM
Willie Taggart our at Florida State. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 02:42:04 PM
Willie Taggart our at Florida State.

Taggart’s buyout is estimated to be around $17 million.  Huh
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Where has Keefe gone to?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 03, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
Lose to your rival who is average at best this year at home 27-10. Writing was on the wall.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2019, 03:15:25 PM
Going to interesting to see who FSU thinks they’ll get versus who they actually get. Tough job there.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2019, 03:17:17 PM
Going to interesting to see who FSU thinks they’ll get versus who they actually get. Tough job there.
You can say that about most jobs.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 03:26:40 PM
Going to interesting to see who FSU thinks they’ll get versus who they actually get. Tough job there.

Going after Clemson coordinators, any of them, would be a prudent move.  Brent Venables would be a slam dunk
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 03, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
You can say that about most jobs.


True to a degree, but FSU fans have higher than average expectations for a P5 football school. Their fans consider a conference championship game and top 25 finish the floor. And while it's true that every program is gauged in large part on their performance against their biggest rivals, FSU has a tougher challenge than most, with Florida and Miami as the benchmarks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 03:44:16 PM

True to a degree, but FSU fans have higher than average expectations for a P5 football school. Their fans consider a conference championship game and top 25 finish the floor. And while it's true that every program is gauged in large part on their performance against their biggest rivals, FSU has a tougher challenge than most, with Florida and Miami as the benchmarks.

Given history and location, it’s not unreasonable for them be a perennial top-10 team
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2019, 03:47:49 PM
Going after Clemson coordinators, any of them, would be a prudent move.  Brent Venables would be a slam dunk

Venebles doesn’t recruit.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 04:01:12 PM
Venebles doesn’t recruit.

He was Rivals top recruiter in 2016
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 04:05:32 PM
Going after Clemson coordinators, any of them, would be a prudent move.  Brent Venables would be a slam dunk

Taggert was a slam dunk.  Amazing how many slam dunks end up chunking off the back rim.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2019, 04:24:13 PM
He was Rivals top recruiter in 2016

Yeah I was thinking of someone else. My bad.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 04:26:24 PM
Yeah I was thinking of someone else. My bad.

I mean, he has the Clemson bagman to help things along but I’m sure he could find plenty in Tallahassee
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on November 04, 2019, 12:02:36 AM
From what I can tell, Taggart's salary was $5M per season. That means that FSU will end up paying about $8 million for the time he was their coach (about a year and a half). Between paying him to go away ($17.5M), the Oregon buyout ($3M), and the remainder of the South Florida buyout they agreed to pay ($1.3), FSU will pay $21.8M total.  That's about $30M for a year and a half of Willie Taggart.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
From what I can tell, Taggart's salary was $5M per season. That means that FSU will end up paying about $8 million for the time he was their coach (about a year and a half). Between paying him to go away ($17.5M), the Oregon buyout ($3M), and the remainder of the South Florida buyout they agreed to pay ($1.3), FSU will pay $21.8M total.  That's about $30M for a year and a half of Willie Taggart.

ESPN said that boosters came up with $20 million.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 04, 2019, 08:27:35 AM
ESPN said that boosters came up with $20 million.

Interesting
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 04, 2019, 08:29:58 AM
From what I can tell, Taggart's salary was $5M per season. That means that FSU will end up paying about $8 million for the time he was their coach (about a year and a half). Between paying him to go away ($17.5M), the Oregon buyout ($3M), and the remainder of the South Florida buyout they agreed to pay ($1.3), FSU will pay $21.8M total.  That's about $30M for a year and a half of Willie Taggart.

Idiots.  I'd have done it for 10% of that.  Hell, maybe 5%.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
Interesting

FWIW, FSU is denying that boosters came up with $20M.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27999505/florida-state-fires-willie-taggart
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 04, 2019, 08:45:51 AM
Sports Illustrated in 2017 rated the football hires (20 of them)

Scott Frost best hire.
Chip Kelly 2nd
Taggart 5th

Florida State: Willie Taggart (4.0)

Splash quotient: 4
Geography: 5
Stylistic fit: 4
Execution: 3
Instant impact: 4

This one makes perfect sense. Taggart has major recruiting inroads in Florida and the rest of the Southeast from his time at USF and Western Kentucky, and being a former prep standout from Bradenton doesn’t hurt, either. His name was in the conversation for the Florida State job weeks before Jimbo Fisher decided to leave, even if Taggart’s teams have never reached the heights Florida State routinely expects.

Most of the drama at Florida State came before the coaching search began, as the uncertainty over Fisher’s future dragged, but once the coach bolted to Texas A&M, the Seminoles handled their hire swiftly—although Taggart left Oregon in lurch about his future plans for several days, souring some around the program.

Florida State struggled after Deondre Francois went down this year and has been criticized for playing too traditional (read: slow) of a scheme since Jameis Winston left for the NFL. Taggart is describing his approach for the Seminoles as “lethal simplicity,” which purports to be the opposite of Fisher’s attack. If he can achieve that simple, fast-paced offense, Florida State will be on the right track, and with a roster packed with as many athletes as the Seminoles, he has the personnel to do it.


Sonny Dykes at SMU was way down the list.  Herm Edwards was ranked last

All of these too early to judge, just stating where SI had them



Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on November 04, 2019, 09:05:36 AM
FWIW, FSU is denying that boosters came up with $20M.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27999505/florida-state-fires-willie-taggart

Someone help me understand - why would they deny that boosters came up with the (new) money? That's the only way a public university paying that kind of money for that kind of decision is even remotely defensible.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 04, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
Willie Taggart our at Florida State.

Not a surprise.  He just wasn't the white fit for that fan base.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 04, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
Someone help me understand - why would they deny that boosters came up with the (new) money? That's the only way a public university paying that kind of money for that kind of decision is even remotely defensible.


They money was raised to support FSU athletics.  They will use it to pay his buy out.

Simply saying "we raised money to buy him out" may sound too much like a personal gift, which would call those deductions into question.  They're likely simply being extra careful with their words.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2019, 01:11:32 PM
While nobody is denying Taggart made a bunch of mistakes this year, people are overlooking that Taggart walked into a situation not unlike when Buzz left Marquette.  Jimbo had a nice run, but he left for more than just money.  He left a dumpster fire of a situation with recruiting lapses everywhere.  Sure its FSU, but it was still a rebuilding job.  Herm Edwards is doing "fine" at ASU, but he walked into a decent program that was just kind of flat lining with Todd Graham, it wasn't bottoming out.  Sonny Dykes had been pretty terrible at Cal, but he was out of his element.  Got back to the sort of Texas-centric scenario he had excelled at at Louisiana Tech, and he was back at it.

If Taggart had gotten the same short leash at USF, he never would have turned the program around like he did.  But FSU has to be careful what they wish for, provided they don't get Meyer, they are going to have far less marquee options than they think.  Is this the big second chance for Lane Kiffin?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2019, 01:21:06 PM

They money was raised to support FSU athletics.  They will use it to pay his buy out.

Simply saying "we raised money to buy him out" may sound too much like a personal gift, which would call those deductions into question.  They're likely simply being extra careful with their words.

This.

Not a surprise.  He just wasn't the white fit for that fan base.

Well, they did know he was black when they hired him.

I do think I remember seeing data showing that black coaches in various sports are more likely to be sacked more quickly than white counterparts with similar records, but I am too lazy to look it up.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
While nobody is denying Taggart made a bunch of mistakes this year, people are overlooking that Taggart walked into a situation not unlike when Buzz left Marquette.  Jimbo had a nice run, but he left for more than just money.  He left a dumpster fire of a situation with recruiting lapses everywhere.  Sure its FSU, but it was still a rebuilding job.  Herm Edwards is doing "fine" at ASU, but he walked into a decent program that was just kind of flat lining with Todd Graham, it wasn't bottoming out.  Sonny Dykes had been pretty terrible at Cal, but he was out of his element.  Got back to the sort of Texas-centric scenario he had excelled at at Louisiana Tech, and he was back at it.

If Taggart had gotten the same short leash at USF, he never would have turned the program around like he did.  But FSU has to be careful what they wish for, provided they don't get Meyer, they are going to have far less marquee options than they think.  Is this the big second chance for Lane Kiffin?

Fair points about what Taggart inherited, but after 2+ seasons he'd done little with recruiting or on the field to show progress, and was even regressing.
I don't think they have a chance at Meyer, but I could be absolutely wrong about that. Matt Thomas would be a good fit there, or maybe PJ Fleck. But I don't know if those guys would be seen as too "small time" for the FSU fan base.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 04, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Fair points about what Taggart inherited, but after 2+ seasons he'd done little with recruiting or on the field to show progress, and was even regressing.
I don't think they have a chance at Meyer, but I could be absolutely wrong about that. Matt Thomas would be a good fit there, or maybe PJ Fleck. But I don't know if those guys would be seen as too "small time" for the FSU fan base.



Do you mean Matt Rhule?  Because I think he would be a great choice by FSU.  He's won at places as different as Temple and Baylor.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2019, 03:04:31 PM

Do you mean Matt Rhule?  Because I think he would be a great choice by FSU.  He's won at places as different as Temple and Baylor.

I think Rhule has his sights set on something a bit higher than Florida State, namely the NFL.
Remember, the Jets job was his last year if he wanted to play by management's rules (no pun intended), and that was after an 8-17 start at Baylor.
It would be an upset in my mind if he's not coaching in the pros next year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 04, 2019, 03:08:48 PM
OK, but I don't know who you mean by Matt Thomas.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2019, 03:22:56 PM
OK, but I don't know who you mean by Matt Thomas.

Matt Campbell.
My bad.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 04, 2019, 03:36:17 PM
This.

Well, they did know he was black when they hired him.

I do think I remember seeing data showing that black coaches in various sports are more likely to be sacked more quickly than white counterparts with similar records, but I am too lazy to look it up.

Administration and fan base/boosters are quite different when it comes to patience with minority coaches (especially when the program has not had one before). Texas's biggest donor, Red McCombs, called Charlie Strong's hire a "kick in the face" was as pushing for him to be fired before he coached a game at UT.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2019, 04:10:10 PM
Matt Campbell.
My bad.

Matt Campbell is an interesting, albeit not sexy, name.  He was successful for a good period of time at Toledo and has been consistent at ISU, which isn't an easy place to win.

PJ Fleck to me is still a bit of a fraud.  He had a great season at WMU in 2016, but their best win was getting past a 7-6 NW team to open the season.  The rest of the MAC was very soft, and he had the POY at QB and Corey Davis at WR, neither of whom he recruited.  And in the 2 years prior at WMU, his best wins were against scuffling sub-.500 B10 schools. 

Now Minnesota, this season is completely a result of a favorable schedule.  Their best win is...Illinois?  They snuck by a .500 Fresno State team early in the year.  PSU, at Iowa, and Wisconsin in the next 4 games will show, but at this point, he feels like a less accomplished Tom Crean of football.  Great self promoter with his Row the Boat shctick, but very fortunate in his best years and light on results.  Other than the Wisconsin win last season, which I really enjoyed, he doesn't have a single other impressive win at Minnesota in 3 years.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2019, 05:16:51 PM
Matt Campbell is an interesting, albeit not sexy, name.  He was successful for a good period of time at Toledo and has been consistent at ISU, which isn't an easy place to win.

PJ Fleck to me is still a bit of a fraud.  He had a great season at WMU in 2016, but their best win was getting past a 7-6 NW team to open the season.  The rest of the MAC was very soft, and he had the POY at QB and Corey Davis at WR, neither of whom he recruited.  And in the 2 years prior at WMU, his best wins were against scuffling sub-.500 B10 schools. 

Now Minnesota, this season is completely a result of a favorable schedule.  Their best win is...Illinois?  They snuck by a .500 Fresno State team early in the year.  PSU, at Iowa, and Wisconsin in the next 4 games will show, but at this point, he feels like a less accomplished Tom Crean of football.  Great self promoter with his Row the Boat shctick, but very fortunate in his best years and light on results.  Other than the Wisconsin win last season, which I really enjoyed, he doesn't have a single other impressive win at Minnesota in 3 years.

I know what you mean about Fleck's schtick, but I think you're  underselling his accomplishments, especially at Western Michigan. He took over a program forever mired in mediocrity - even by MAC standards - and after one bad season led them to three straight bowl appearances, a conference title, an undefeated regular season and a major bowl in which they went toe-to-toe with a top 10 Wisconsin team.
Not sure what more one can expect from a MAC program. If you're holding it against him that they didn't beat good P5 programs, then that's just not a realistic standard to measure a MAC coach by.

As for Minnesota, you can only play your schedule - which is set years in advance - but I'd say beating a top 20 Fresno State team last year counts as an impressive win.  They're definitely benefiting from an easy schedule so far this year, but it's not like they're eking out victories of late. Their last three wins against non-Rutgers opponents are by an average 30+ points. Three of their next four are against quality opponents, so we'll see if they're legit.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2019, 06:11:49 PM
I know what you mean about Fleck's schtick, but I think you're  underselling his accomplishments, especially at Western Michigan. He took over a program forever mired in mediocrity - even by MAC standards - and after one bad season led them to three straight bowl appearances, a conference title, an undefeated regular season and a major bowl in which they went toe-to-toe with a top 10 Wisconsin team.
Not sure what more one can expect from a MAC program. If you're holding it against him that they didn't beat good P5 programs, then that's just not a realistic standard to measure a MAC coach by.

As for Minnesota, you can only play your schedule - which is set years in advance - but I'd say beating a top 20 Fresno State team last year counts as an impressive win.  They're definitely benefiting from an easy schedule so far this year, but it's not like they're eking out victories of late. Their last three wins against non-Rutgers opponents are by an average 30+ points. Three of their next four are against quality opponents, so we'll see if they're legit.

I went to undergrad at a MAC school, I know about the up and down nature of programs at that level. What’s appealing to young coaches, and why many take jobs there, is that the overall level of the conference has fallen so much and there is so much turnover among “good programs”, that all you need is a good class or two and you can swing aggressively. Western wasn’t a power, but they were a pretty dang good MAC program under Cubit before Fleck. They just had the misfortune of being in the same division as peak NIU and Toledo, so 3rd was where they resided. They weren’t Akron or Eastern Michigan level incompetent. Ball State, Miami, Buffalo, and one other all had huge quick turnarounds by coaches who had limited to no success after.

As for his schedule, at both WMU and Minnesota, I know it’s not NCAA 14 where you tweak your schedule strength on the fly, but for someone to be viewed as a contender for a job like FSU, id expect a track record of significant success or some scalps. I think him getting the Minnesota job made sense and was a good, justifiable jump up. Him being viewed as ready for a marquee job so quickly thereafter is why I call into question his track record. If he was 8-3 with losses to Iowa, UW, and PSU cause the schedule wasn’t back weighted, not sure we are seeing him he discussed. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 05, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
CFP rankings come out tonight. I'm going to guess the only 1 vs 2 match up this week will be in basketball.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 05, 2019, 11:44:37 AM
Administration and fan base/boosters are quite different when it comes to patience with minority coaches (especially when the program has not had one before). Texas's biggest donor, Red McCombs, called Charlie Strong's hire a "kick in the face" was as pushing for him to be fired before he coached a game at UT.

Coach Strong may be on his way out of USF next....hot seat.  Seems like a good man, might be one of those guys that is a better coordinator than head coach.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 05, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
Apparently Minnesota is nervous about Fleck leaving.

Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy
P.J. Fleck receives a new 7-year contract at Minnesota through 2026 season
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2019, 02:36:09 PM
Apparently Minnesota is nervous about Fleck leaving.

Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy
P.J. Fleck receives a new 7-year contract at Minnesota through 2026 season

contractnomatta

If Florida State called him tomorrow and offered him double and paid the buyout, the contract will have not been worth the piece of paper it was written on -- except to Fleck, who would get richer, and I guess Minnesota, which would get compensated. All the athletes (and their parents) whom Fleck promised that he would be there forever and ever ... tough nuggies.

But sure, I guess Fleck "earned" that extension after 2 mediocre seasons and 2/3 of one very good season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
contractnomatta

If Florida State called him tomorrow and offered him double and paid the buyout, the contract will have not been worth the piece of paper it was written on -- except to Fleck, who would get richer, and I guess Minnesota, which would get compensated. All the athletes (and their parents) whom Fleck promised that he would be there forever and ever ... tough nuggies.

But sure, I guess Fleck "earned" that extension after 2 mediocre seasons and 2/3 of one very good season.

He’s paid more than Paul Chryst now.  Chryst is the 10th highest paid coach in the Medium 14.  King Barry will be opening the purse again
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 06, 2019, 10:43:13 AM
Good to see THAT Penn State make the final four.   :D


And no, I don’t think they will stay there.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 07, 2019, 05:58:25 PM
Giantitic Saturday
Baylor at TCU   11:00 am   FS1
Penn State at Minnesota   11:00 am   ABC
Kansas State at Texas   2:30 pm   ESPN
LSU at Alabama   2:30 pm   CBS
Iowa at Wisconsin   3:00 pm   FOX
Notre Dame at Duke   6:30 pm   ACC Network
Iowa State at Oklahoma   7:00 pm FOX
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 07, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Good to see THAT Penn State make the final four.   :D


And no, I don’t think they will stay there.
Will they be there when they play Ohio State in two weeks on FOX?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 07, 2019, 11:07:30 PM
Ohhh... wut?

@RapSheet: NFL Network analyst and Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has emerged as a candidate for the Florida St. head coaching job, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. A fascinating situation that could unfold.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2019, 08:17:19 AM
Chase Young of Ohio State suspended for at least this weeks game
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 08, 2019, 08:22:32 AM
Chase Young of Ohio State suspended for at least this weeks game

I'm sure it was just coincidental timing that O$U is "looking into" something from 2018 and holding him out when it's Maryland this weekend.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 08, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
I'm sure it was just coincidental timing that O$U is "looking into" something from 2018 and holding him out when it's Maryland this weekend.

I’ll bet if he didn’t play against Becky that the Buckeyes would have lost...  lol
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 08, 2019, 09:11:53 AM
I’ll bet if he didn’t play against Becky that the Buckeyes would have lost...  lol

Maybe.

Crapshoot.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 08, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
I'm sure it was just coincidental timing that O$U is "looking into" something from 2018 and holding him out when it's Maryland this weekend.

I'm offended you would suggest that Gene Smith, defender of all that is good and pure in college athletics, would allow such a cynical move.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 08, 2019, 10:15:43 AM
Ohhh... wut?

@RapSheet: NFL Network analyst and Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has emerged as a candidate for the Florida St. head coaching job, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. A fascinating situation that could unfold.


I'm fairly certain that the source of this rumor is a guy named Deion Sanders.

But if I am wrong, this would be one of the most godawful hires in the history of college football.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2019, 04:47:13 PM
I'm offended you would suggest that Gene Smith, defender of all that is good and pure in college athletics, would allow such a cynical move.

Ohio State usually turns a blind eye to most things
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2019, 09:45:39 AM
Adam Rittenberg of ESPN is reporting Ohio State expects a 4-game suspension for Chase Young.  Big win for amateurism
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUEng92 on November 09, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
Adam Rittenberg of ESPN is reporting Ohio State expects a 4-game suspension for Chase Young.  Big win for amateurism
How coincidental is it that Ohio State has exactly 4 regular season games left including today and that is how many games they expect him to be suspended.   Whew for them getting him back for the postseason
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on November 09, 2019, 10:22:46 AM
How coincidental is it that Ohio State has exactly 4 regular season games left including today and that is how many games they expect him to be suspended.   Whew for them getting him back for the postseason

Seems like 4 games too many. This is a longer suspension than Urban Meyer got for the Zach Smith debacle.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Seems like 4 games too many. This is a longer suspension than Urban Meyer got for the Zach Smith debacle.

That was different.  The NCAA didn’t have a financial stake in that.  That money Chase Young took and paid back for flying his family to the Rose Bowl corrupted amateurism to its core
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2019, 11:31:50 AM
That was different.  The NCAA didn’t have a financial stake in that.  That money Chase Young took and paid back for flying his family to the Rose Bowl corrupted amateurism to its core

Thank goodness he didn't take make-believe classes for two years. The NCAA would have really come down on Ohio State for that. Oh wait ...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 12:02:15 PM
That was different.  The NCAA didn’t have a financial stake in that.  That money Chase Young took and paid back for flying his family to the Rose Bowl corrupted amateurism to its core

How about the simple part...every player knows the rules.  He broke the rules.  Why is this so hard for folks.  Sure, it tugs at the heartstrings, and Yama Yama, but those are the rules given to players and each school has a symposium each year on what you can and cannot do.  I get it, you don’t like the rules...well, that doesn’t get you out of jail.  I don’t like a lot of laws, if I don’t follow them there is a punishment.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2019, 01:10:38 PM
The golden Gophers are playing pretty Flecking good so far.

Edit:. Literally the instant I hit 'post', Minnesota fumbles it away at midfield.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2019, 01:10:58 PM
How about the simple part...every player knows the rules.  He broke the rules.  Why is this so hard for folks.  Sure, it tugs at the heartstrings, and Yama Yama, but those are the rules given to players and each school has a symposium each year on what you can and cannot do.  I get it, you don’t like the rules...well, that doesn’t get you out of jail.  I don’t like a lot of laws, if I don’t follow them there is a punishment.

Lol, you’re so damn reliable
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 02:16:11 PM
Lol, you’re so damn reliable

Tell me what is wrong with the statement...seriously.  It’s like betting in baseball.  When I worked for the Angels we had it drilled into our heads constantly, players, admin, etc...no betting...period...there was a huge sign on the wall you had to see every day going on the field...no gambling....these guys know the rules.  You are right, I am reliable on this because it is straight forward.  This isn’t hard, why make it so.


Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 09, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
Cheeks is very happy they got the right team in the top 4 in PSU.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2019, 02:22:55 PM
Flecking huge win for the Gophers
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
Cheeks is very happy they got the right team in the top 4 in PSU.

LOL

I said earlier this week I didn’t expect them to stay there. 

Poor Becky
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 09, 2019, 03:45:25 PM
Chryst needs to take a hard look at his offense and the coordinator. The play calling is predictable. When he was OC under Beleima it was much more dynamic.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 09, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
LOL

I said earlier this week I didn’t expect them to stay there. 

Poor Becky

So you were happy they got it right...but didn’t think they were a top 4 team? What?!

Lol. Twisting in pretzels again.

“Wisconsin is overrated but they’re good but maybe they’re great.” “PSU should be top 4 but PSU not top 4 team.” “Clemson is overrated but they could be the best team by the end of the year.”

I don’t know why I bother. Of course you’re right. You couldn’t possibly be wrong, because you cover every possible base. If Clemson loses along the way it’s “see I told you they were overhyped!” If they go on and beat Bama by 35 in the semifinals and LSU in the finals by 24 it’s “I told you they could turn this around!” Lol.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2019, 04:23:30 PM
Bama’s defense lookin’ good.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
So you were happy they got it right...but didn’t think they were a top 4 team? What?!

Lol. Twisting in pretzels again.

“Wisconsin is overrated but they’re good but maybe they’re great.” “PSU should be top 4 but PSU not top 4 team.” “Clemson is overrated but they could be the best team by the end of the year.”

I don’t know why I bother. Of course you’re right. You couldn’t possibly be wrong, because you cover every possible base. If Clemson loses along the way it’s “see I told you they were overhyped!” If they go on and beat Bama by 35 in the semifinals and LSU in the finals by 24 it’s “I told you they could turn this around!” Lol.

I sometimes wonder if you are serious or not.

Last I checked it doesn’t mean a hill of beans until the end of the year, so I was glad they were given some validation especially because you and others were so terribly wrong about Wisconsin and them...a double bonus...but no I don’t think they are the 4th best team in the country and did not expect them to stay there.

So far I’ve been pretty right on this.

Called LSU today and Minnesota in our pool.  Been a good year for me.  As I said weeks ago, like around week 3, OSU is the best team and I’m sticking NC to it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2019, 05:07:38 PM
Called LSU today and Minnesota in our pool.  Been a good year for me.  As I said weeks ago, like around week 3, OSU is the best team and I’m sticking NC to it.

Congrats, hoopy.

I can't believe you don't retire from your job and become a professional gambler.

When you are 100% right about everything ... talk about a sure thing!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2019, 05:35:51 PM
Tell me what is wrong with the statement...seriously.  It’s like betting in baseball.  When I worked for the Angels we had it drilled into our heads constantly, players, admin, etc...no betting...period...there was a huge sign on the wall you had to see every day going on the field...no gambling....these guys know the rules.  You are right, I am reliable on this because it is straight forward.  This isn’t hard, why make it so.

Cause it’s nothing like adult professionals and directly betting on their sport. He didn’t take cash from a car dealership, from a coach, from a local businessman. I know you’re all knowing and wise, but compliance and “improper benefits” to a 19-20 year old athlete isnt cut and dried and simple. My friend in college had to self report and was suspended for a game cause he used his neighbor from back home’s car to drive on a road trip over the summer. Didn’t buy it, didn’t lease it, used it to drive a few hundred miles for a few days cause his had been acting funny the last semester. But yet again, lets blame the student athletes. What an ignorant punk, don’t follow the complicated and archaic rules, get smacked!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2019, 07:00:09 PM
Bama better without Tua...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 09, 2019, 07:34:06 PM
How coincidental is it that Ohio State has exactly 4 regular season games left including today and that is how many games they expect him to be suspended.   Whew for them getting him back for the postseason

It’s not. Length of suspension is based upon the amount impermissibly taken over $200.

Oh, there’s also the little issue that the “loan” reportedly came from an NFLPA registered agent.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 09:59:33 PM
The last 4 times #1 played #2, the winner of the game did not go on to win the national title, but the loser of the game won the NC three times.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 09, 2019, 10:04:33 PM
The last 4 times #1 played #2, the winner of the game did not go on to win the national title, but the loser of the game won the NC three times.

Good thing for LSU is they were #2 and Bama was #3.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 09, 2019, 10:09:01 PM
Minnesota better be ranked ahead of Alabama on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 10:34:10 PM
Good thing for LSU is they were #2 and Bama was #3.

For clarity, AP rankings...in which they were 1 and 2.  CFP didn’t exist for some of those games with 1 vs 2.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/ap/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 10:35:11 PM
Congrats, hoopy.

I can't believe you don't retire from your job and become a professional gambler.

When you are 100% right about everything ... talk about a sure thing!

I missed Kansas State vs Texas today.  I am human Mikey.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
Cause it’s nothing like adult professionals and directly betting on their sport. He didn’t take cash from a car dealership, from a coach, from a local businessman. I know you’re all knowing and wise, but compliance and “improper benefits” to a 19-20 year old athlete isnt cut and dried and simple. My friend in college had to self report and was suspended for a game cause he used his neighbor from back home’s car to drive on a road trip over the summer. Didn’t buy it, didn’t lease it, used it to drive a few hundred miles for a few days cause his had been acting funny the last semester. But yet again, lets blame the student athletes. What an ignorant punk, don’t follow the complicated and archaic rules, get smacked!

Uhm, this one was pretty straight forward.  And if it is true whom the loan came from, even more cut and dried.

Not hard.  Don’t take money.  Period.  If you want to, talk to the compliance people first.  This is what we drilled into MU athletes time and time and time again.  Don’t be stupid, don’t make stupid decisions when there is a bevy or people there to help you with the rules.

I’m proud that I’m the nearly 6 years I was in MU athletics we didn’t have any of this crap to worry about.  We took compliance very seriously.  We had a few guys that decided weed was their thing, one was booted off the team.  No issues with loans, etc. 

It really isn’t that hard.  It has nothing do with me being all knowing, it has to do with just paying attention and having a pulse and a few ounces of grey matter between the ears.  Some of these rule breakers are either massive lazy or willfully just dumb.  The rules are that cut and dry.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 09, 2019, 11:00:01 PM
The last 4 times #1 played #2, the winner of the game did not go on to win the national title, but the loser of the game won the NC three times.

Going off the top of my head.
Florida State in 1993
Florida in 97
Alabama 2011

Is that correct?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 09, 2019, 11:39:55 PM
Uhm, this one was pretty straight forward.  And if it is true whom the loan came from, even more cut and dried.

Not hard.  Don’t take money.  Period.  If you want to, talk to the compliance people first.  This is what we drilled into MU athletes time and time and time again.  Don’t be stupid, don’t make stupid decisions when there is a bevy or people there to help you with the rules.

I’m proud that I’m the nearly 6 years I was in MU athletics we didn’t have any of this crap to worry about.  We took compliance very seriously.  We had a few guys that decided weed was their thing, one was booted off the team.  No issues with loans, etc. 

It really isn’t that hard.  It has nothing do with me being all knowing, it has to do with just paying attention and having a pulse and a few ounces of grey matter between the ears.  Some of these rule breakers are either massive lazy or willfully just dumb.  The rules are that cut and dry.

Ohio State has one compliance individual who is embedded with football. It’s the only team with which they work, he goes to every practice, every road trip, goes to major recruiting events with coaches. Considering OSU’s past issues Young had to know it was wrong but he did it anyway.

And why couldn’t his GF pay her own way, or her family? Why couldn’t she take the loan? There is more going on here.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 09, 2019, 11:56:30 PM
Ohio State has one compliance individual who is embedded with football. It’s the only team with which they work, he goes to every practice, every road trip, goes to major recruiting events with coaches. Considering OSU’s past issues Young had to know it was wrong but he did it anyway.

And why couldn’t his GF pay her own way, or her family? Why couldn’t she take the loan? There is more going on here.

I would agree.  Just amazes me the pass that is given.  These student athletes know the rules.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: #UnleashJayce on November 10, 2019, 11:26:16 AM
If yall are done talking about stupid ncaa violations...

Anyone see Iowa state get robbed?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Minnesota better be ranked ahead of Alabama on Tuesday night.

Nah.
I don't think anyone could make the case that if Bama and Minnesota were to play next week, the Gophers should/would be the favorite. Or are the better team.
Alabama pretty much had every bad thing possible happen to them Saturday - most of them self-inflicted, but also some injury and officiating issues -  and still were in that game until the very end. They should be tops among the one-loss candidates.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 12:10:35 PM
Going off the top of my head.
Florida State in 1993
Florida in 97
Alabama 2011

Is that correct?


Very close...Florida lost that game in 96
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: forgetful on November 10, 2019, 01:11:26 PM
Nah.
I don't think anyone could make the case that if Bama and Minnesota were to play next week, the Gophers should/would be the favorite. Or are the better team.
Alabama pretty much had every bad thing possible happen to them Saturday - most of them self-inflicted, but also some injury and officiating issues -  and still were in that game until the very end. They should be tops among the one-loss candidates.

Alabama has not really played anyone besides LSU. Same for Minnesota (Penn St.).

They each played their first elite team. Alabama played poorly and lost. Minnesota played well and won. There is no reason to have Bama ahead of them, besides "they are Alabama".
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
Alabama has not really played anyone besides LSU. Same for Minnesota (Penn St.).

They each played their first elite team. Alabama played poorly and lost. Minnesota played well and won. There is no reason to have Bama ahead of them, besides "they are Alabama".

Uhm, ok.


https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/



Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 01:25:42 PM
Uhm, ok.


https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Wisconsin number 7. But not a top 8 team in college football. Lol.

Can’t wait for this pretzel.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
Alabama has not really played anyone besides LSU. Same for Minnesota (Penn St.).

They each played their first elite team. Alabama played poorly and lost. Minnesota played well and won. There is no reason to have Bama ahead of them, besides "they are Alabama".

How about "they are better."
Honestly ... if these two teams meet up in a bowl game, are you taking the Gophers straight up? If your answer is no, then you rank Alabama ahead of them. Because they're better.
Great win by the Gophers, and remember, I'm the guy who was defending and talking up PJ Fleck here last week. But I'm not dopey enough to believe they're a better team than Bama.

And, no, Penn State isn't an elite team.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
How about "they are better."
Honestly ... if these two teams meet up in a bowl game, are you taking the Gophers straight up? If you're answer is no, then you rank Alabama ahead of them. Because they're better.
Great win by the Gophers, and remember, I'm the guy who was defending and talking up PJ Fleck here last week. But I'm not dopey enough to believe they're a better team than Bama.

And, no, Penn State isn't an elite team.

I want the 4 best teams in a playoff.  Alabama is better than Minnesota. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Minnesota isn't getting past the Buckeyes.  Having said that, if they do, if a no loss Big 1G team is not in the playoff, it will guarantee an expansion to eight.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 02:23:03 PM
Minnesota isn't getting past the Buckeyes.  Having said that, if they do, if a no loss Big 1G team is not in the playoff, it will guarantee an expansion to eight.

Minnesota isn’t getting past Iowa...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
Wisconsin number 7. But not a top 8 team in college football. Lol.

Can’t wait for this pretzel.

Poor Becky....
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 02:45:17 PM
Poor Becky....

Uhhuh. Use your “power ratings” when they support your argument but when someone points out they’re in direct contradiction to your claims just ignore it. Classic Cheekalooper.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
Uhhuh. Use your “power ratings” when they support your argument but when someone points out they’re in direct contradiction to your claims just ignore it. Classic Cheekalooper.

Lol...who was it that said Becky was better, Becky played a tougher schedule, etc, etc....that would be you.  Poor Becky.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 03:23:16 PM
Lol...who was it that said Becky was better, Becky played a tougher schedule, etc, etc....that would be you.  Poor Becky.

Better than who and played a tougher schedule than who? When they were ranked 8th I said they weren’t overrated. Apparently, according to your source (not mine), that’s pretty accurate and in fact maybe they were underrated.

Pretzels. Delicious.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 10, 2019, 03:38:54 PM


Anyone see Iowa State get robbed?
You mean on the 2 point play with no flag? Yes, I saw it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 03:54:34 PM
https://youtu.be/eg3hYP9XvW8

Bout right. Cheeks stuck in an impossible situation. Provides his “power ratings” as proof that MN not close to Bama. But then realizes that he was crying about Wisconsin being overrated at 8 and his power ratings have them at...7. So ditch the actual discussion and post YouTube videos. Very cute.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
I'll play your game

College football computer rankings composite of 53 different systems.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Becky is ranked 14th.   Penn State 4th.  This is through yesterday's games.

Poor Becky.  I'm sorry your favorite college football team stepped on their privates in Champagne and then got trucked in Columbus, but managed to eek out a win yesterday against Iowa....also eeked out a win against mighty Northwestern.  It's the same thing every damn year in Madison, and it is hilarious to watch.

Pinstripe this year?  Redbox?  Are they going to make it to a bowl game with a 2020 date....hmmm...maybe...still a shot...but has to be disappointing after the talk of CFP only a month or so ago.  Poor poor Becky.

(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_688,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/Wisconsin-v-Illinois-eaff0b7083082fdb1b8802ae02505ebd.jpg)


I'm off to take my darling wife to a matinee movie.  Carry on.



Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 04:26:20 PM
I'll play your game

College football computer rankings composite of 53 different systems.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Becky is ranked 14th.   Penn State 4th.  This is through yesterday's games.

Poor Becky.  I'm sorry your favorite college football team stepped on their privates in Champagne and then got trucked in Columbus, but managed to eek out a win yesterday against Iowa....also eeked out a win against mighty Northwestern.  It's the same thing every damn year in Madison, and it is hilarious to watch.

Pinstripe this year?  Redbox?  Are they going to make it to a bowl game with a 2020 date....hmmm...maybe...still a shot...but has to be disappointing after the talk of CFP only a month or so ago.  Poor poor Becky.

(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_688,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/Wisconsin-v-Illinois-eaff0b7083082fdb1b8802ae02505ebd.jpg)


I'm off to take my darling wife to a matinee movie.  Carry on.

Ahh. Okay. So when the argument is MN vs. Bama you’ll use the one that has Bama at 3 and MN at 17, which has UW at 7, but when it’s whether WI is overrated forget that ranking system, we have to use the one that has WI at 14. Got it.

Classic Cheekolooper. Lol.

Pretzels!

Enjoy the movie with your dear wife! Hope you’ve figured out she’s the love of your life after your beautiful post about the real love of your life on here.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 10, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
Ahh. Okay. So when the argument is MN vs. Bama you’ll use the one that has Bama at 3 and MN at 17, which has UW at 7, but when it’s whether WI is overrated forget that ranking system, we have to use the one that has WI at 14. Got it.

Classic Cheekolooper. Lol.

Pretzels!

Enjoy the movie with your dear wife! Hope you’ve figured out she’s the love of your life after your beautiful post about the real love of your life on here.

False story, but good try.  You can fall in love with people and fall in love again later...true story.

I just gave you 53 to choose from...the consensus is Bama better than Minny.  Consensus even bigger that PSU better than Uw Madison.  Sorry about your Badgers.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 10, 2019, 08:13:12 PM
False story, but good try.  You can fall in love with people and fall in love again later...true story.

I just gave you 53 to choose from...the consensus is Bama better than Minny.  Condense even bigger, PSU better than Uw Madison.  Sorry about your Vadgers.

You can keep saying they’re my Vadgers. You’re wrong but hey that never stops cheekalooper.

The Clippers are awesome at basketball. I guess that makes the Clippers my team.

The Patriots are awesome at football. I guess that makes the Patriots my team.

Duke is awesome at basketball. I guess that makes them my team.

Or I don’t judge how good a team is based on how much I like them like you do. You thought UW was overrated at 8. I didn’t. You provided a “power rating” as your proof for an argument. That very “power rating” has UW at 7. You proved yourself to be wrong. Sorry you don’t like it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 10, 2019, 10:35:04 PM
Minnesota isn't getting past the Buckeyes.  Having said that, if they do, if a no loss Big 1G team is not in the playoff, it will guarantee an expansion to eight.

Gophs are not gonna win out(including OSU). But if they did, they would 100% be in the playoff.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
Chase Young will sit one more game as the NCAA and Ohio State punished this kid by making him sit out against Maryland and Rutgers.  It’s a lesson he’ll never forget
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: BM1090 on November 13, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
It was a stupid suspension to begin with. Two games is plenty. It isn't his fault they came against bad opponents.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 13, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
It was a stupid suspension to begin with. Two games is plenty. It isn't his fault they came against bad opponents.

Yeah, what fortunate timing.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 13, 2019, 12:38:30 PM
It was a stupid suspension to begin with. Two games is plenty. It isn't his fault they came against bad opponents.
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Why is it stupid...the rules are clear...don’t take the money....he took the money. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: BM1090 on November 13, 2019, 01:23:48 PM
Yeah, what fortunate timing.

There were plenty of two game stretches he could have been suspended for and people would find a way to say "fortunate timing". First two games at home vs. poor opponents before the big ten opener. Games 4 and 5 against Miami OH and Nebraska before a game against MSU.

OSU would have preferred he sit out the non-con games. It's good timing, but they haven't needed him to beat anyone so far. If the NCAA is fine with a two game suspension then who cares?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: BM1090 on November 13, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
Why is it stupid...the rules are clear...don’t take the money....he took the money.

In a vacuum, sure. He borrowed money from a family friend to fly his girlfriend to one of his games. He paid the money back.

It's penalizing a kid for coming from a poor family. If his parents or grandparents could have afforded it, no problem with the NCAA at all.

By the letter of the law I understand why he was suspended. It doesn't make it not stupid.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 14, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
Great story on P.J. Fleck.  With a couple of Buzz references.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pj-flecks-latest-turnaround-changes-narrative-on-him-he-may-be-a-genius-012329346.html
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 14, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
Couple of year ago PJ and Heather were down at Buzz's Bunch. Both are close. Row the Boat!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2019, 10:39:42 AM
Great story on P.J. Fleck.  With a couple of Buzz references.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pj-flecks-latest-turnaround-changes-narrative-on-him-he-may-be-a-genius-012329346.html

Urban Meyer comparisons?  Sheesh.  The Fleck PR machine in full effect, learned brilliantly from Buzz!

Honestly, I think Fleck has more in common with Crean than he does with Buzz.  Marketing, self promotion, and a brand.  He's a fantastic recruiter and program buzz generator.  Buzz is an Xs and Os junkie who built himself up from the bottom, step by step.  And Urban is a scumbag, but he's an offensive genius, in addition to being a great recruiter. 

But we shall see, I think we see Fleck's name pop up for jobs all over the place, Ive seen this playbook before.  Lets just hope he grabs a second Bunyan's axe first.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on November 14, 2019, 11:44:27 AM

Urban Meyer comparisons?  Sheesh.  The Fleck PR machine in full effect, learned brilliantly from Buzz!

Honestly, I think Fleck has more in common with Crean than he does with Buzz.  Marketing, self promotion, and a brand.  He's a fantastic recruiter and program buzz generator.  Buzz is an Xs and Os junkie who built himself up from the bottom, step by step.  And Urban is a scumbag, but he's an offensive genius, in addition to being a great recruiter. 

But we shall see, I think we see Fleck's name pop up for jobs all over the place, Ive seen this playbook before.  Lets just hope he grabs a second Bunyan's axe first.

I think Buzz worked really hard to build his brand. Maybe less overtly than Cream, but he has a pretty carefully crafted image.

It will be interesting to watch MN the next few weeks. They have the chance to build quite a resume.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2019, 12:06:09 PM
I think Buzz worked really hard to build his brand. Maybe less overtly than Cream, but he has a pretty carefully crafted image.

It will be interesting to watch MN the next few weeks. They have the chance to build quite a resume.

Oh 1000%.  But he didn't start until he was at Marquette.  Fleck started immediately.  As I mentioned, I went to Miami and followed MAC football pretty closely (until the last few years where I got fed up with a failing athletic department, but thats besides the point) and I remember the Row the Boat, cult of Fleck being a media focus as early as his second year, and it was like "wtf, why is this dude a focus when they aren't even that good" then it got to a fever pitch.

But agreed.  Saturday should be interesting.  Save for Rutgers, their average margin in their 2 road wins was 5 pts.  At home, prior to PSU, it was 20+.  Iowa plays teams close and they will be hungry after last week.  I think this is an even tougher test than the PSU game was.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 14, 2019, 12:10:35 PM
Some of the bigger games this Saturday.....

Indiana at Penn State 11:00 am ABC
Michigan State at Michigan 11:00 am FOX 
Navy at Notre Dame 1:30 pm NBC
Georgia at Auburn 2:30 pm CBS
Texas at Iowa State 2:30 pm FS1
Minnesota at Iowa 3:00 pm FOX
Oklahoma at Baylor 6:30 pm ABC
UCLA at Utah 7:00 pm FOX 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
Some of the bigger games this Saturday.....

Indiana at Penn State 11:00 am ABC
Michigan State at Michigan 11:00 am FOX 
Navy at Notre Dame 1:30 pm NBC
Georgia at Auburn 2:30 pm CBS
Texas at Iowa State 2:30 pm FS1
Minnesota at Iowa 3:00 pm FOX
Oklahoma at Baylor 6:30 pm ABC
UCLA at Utah 7:00 pm FOX

I hope my favorite team wins (which this week means Navy).

I also am rooting for Georgia to win out now so Alabama gets shut out of the playoff.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 14, 2019, 01:54:37 PM
Say it isn't so...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2019/11/14/notre-dame-sellout-streak-started-1973-end-against-navy/4191995002/
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 14, 2019, 02:17:55 PM
Oh 1000%.  But he didn't start until he was at Marquette.  Fleck started immediately.  As I mentioned, I went to Miami and followed MAC football pretty closely (until the last few years where I got fed up with a failing athletic department, but thats besides the point) and I remember the Row the Boat, cult of Fleck being a media focus as early as his second year, and it was like "wtf, why is this dude a focus when they aren't even that good" then it got to a fever pitch.

But agreed.  Saturday should be interesting.  Save for Rutgers, their average margin in their 2 road wins was 5 pts.  At home, prior to PSU, it was 20+.  Iowa plays teams close and they will be hungry after last week.  I think this is an even tougher test than the PSU game was.

I still say Iowa beats them, sticking to it from last week.  My college picks this year are en fuego.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
I still say Iowa beats them, sticking to it from last week.  My college picks this year are en fuego.

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
Iowa’s offense is hot trash
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 14, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
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Apparently a bunch of folks that love to opine when I miss them.  Lol
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 15, 2019, 10:06:20 AM
Iowa is a 3 point favorite over Minnesota.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 15, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
Oh 1000%.  But he didn't start until he was at Marquette.  Fleck started immediately.  As I mentioned, I went to Miami and followed MAC football pretty closely (until the last few years where I got fed up with a failing athletic department, but thats besides the point) and I remember the Row the Boat, cult of Fleck being a media focus as early as his second year, and it was like "wtf, why is this dude a focus when they aren't even that good" then it got to a fever pitch.


Well, he had to take it up another notch to overshadow the story about leaving his wife for his secretary.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2019, 04:12:37 PM
Iowa’s offense is definitely not trash today
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 16, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
Tua Tagovailoa is out for the season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 16, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
Tua suffers potentially career threatening dislocated hip injury. Similar to Bo Jackson’s. Brutal.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2019, 04:39:27 PM
Tua suffers potentially career threatening dislocated hip injury. Similar to Bo Jackson’s. Brutal.

Key to recovering from this injury is immediate action and hopefully the doctors were able to do so.  Jackson’s career ended from complications from the injury
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 06:15:15 PM
Tua suffers potentially career threatening dislocated hip injury. Similar to Bo Jackson’s. Brutal.

Good thing he wasn't allowed to go pro after last season.

But at least he's been able to profit from his own likeness ... oh wait ... I mean good thing Nick Saban is making $10 million this season off of Tua's likeness and the likenesses of the rest of the Bama athletes who, unlike Saban, risk serious injury on every play.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 16, 2019, 07:11:46 PM
Good thing he wasn't allowed to go pro after last season.

But at least he's been able to profit from his own likeness ... oh wait ... I mean good thing Nick Saban is making $10 million this season off of Tua's likeness and the likenesses of the rest of the Bama athletes who, unlike Saban, risk serious injury on every play.

Nick Saban profited from his likeness when he was 21 years old as a player?  Nope.  Your continued ridiculous apples to oranges comparisons remain absurd.  Nick Saban is an adult, approaching 70 years old.  He has paid his dues for years making squat as an assistant coach, and yes now makes a ton.  He made $8000 his first year as a coach.

You think it is a good idea for say a 18 year old to go right into the NFL?  The courts have decided this already, but you always know best. 



Iowa over Minnesota pick.....like taking candy from a baby.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 07:25:31 PM
Nick Saban profited from his likeness when he was 21 years old as a player?  Nope.  Your continued ridiculous apples to oranges comparisons remain absurd.  Nick Saban is an adult, approaching 70 years old.  He has paid his dues for years making squat as an assistant coach, and yes now makes a ton.  He made $8000 his first year as a coach.

You think it is a good idea for say a 18 year old to go right into the NFL?  The courts have decided this already, but you always know best.

You don't think Nick Saban is profiting off of all of his players' likenesses -- and off of everything else related to his players? Wow, are you naive.

Did I say it was a good idea for an 18-year-old to go right to the NFL? Stop making things up.

Trevor Lawrence will have to return to Clemson next season even though he would be a top-5 draft pick and a multi-millionaire. I sincerely hope he doesn't suffer the kind of injury Tua just did. But thank goodness Dabo Sweeney will make $10 million off of Lawrence next year either way.

The NFL loves having the NCAA as its minor league, and the NCAA loves keeping these kids as indentured servants for as long as possible.

Oh, and I'm thrilled to hear you think the U.S. courts are 100% right about everything. For some reason I didn't expect that from you about, say, Roe v Wade. Good to know!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 16, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
You don't think Nick Saban is profiting off of all of his players' likenesses -- and off of everything else related to his players? Wow, are you naive.

Did I say it was a good idea for an 18-year-old to go right to the NFL? Stop making things up.

Trevor Lawrence will have to return to Clemson next season even though he would be a top-5 draft pick and a multi-millionaire. I sincerely hope he doesn't suffer the kind of injury Tua just did. But thank goodness Dabo Sweeney will make $10 million off of Lawrence next year either way.

The NFL loves having the NCAA as its minor league, and the NCAA loves keeping these kids as indentured servants for as long as possible.

Oh, and I'm thrilled to hear you think the U.S. courts are 100% right about everything. For some reason I didn't expect that from you about, say, Roe v Wade. Good to know!

Politics.  No, they are not always right, but that doesn’t change the law unless it gets overturned later.

Yes, the NFL does love it as does the NBA.  If you let Lawrence come out, why not an 18 year old...a cutoff exists today....you want to shorten it, and then the next guy will want to shorten it some more....give an inch take a mile.

Should college professors get paid more based on what their students become?  Should grad students who work for a prof who makes a discovery get a share of the spoils?  What if discovery turns out negative and ends up causing cancer years later....should grad student be subject to liabilities?  We can go on.

I’m quite aware why Saban is compensated why he is.  I have done many advertising deals with head coaches over the years.  They are paid to coach their teams, win, keep their players in line, bring good image and brand to the school or firm they represent. That is their platform.  Pretty simple.

I once did a deal for a dog trainer, famous dude who had his pure bread dogs in the Westminster Dog Show...should the dog have been compensated?  How about the Little Leaguers in Williamsport? 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
Politics.  No, they are not always right, but that doesn’t change the law unless it gets overturned later.

Yes, the NFL does love it as does the NBA.  If you let Lawrence come out, why not an 18 year old...a cutoff exists today....you want to shorten it, and then the next guy will want to shorten it some more....give an inch take a mile.

Should college professors get paid more based on what their students become?  Should grad students who work for a prof who makes a discovery get a share of the spoils?  What if discovery turns out negative and ends up causing cancer years later....should grad student be subject to liabilities?  We can go on.

I’m quite aware why Saban is compensated why he is.  I have done many advertising deals with head coaches over the years.  They are paid to coach their teams, win, keep their players in line, bring good image and brand to the school or firm they represent. That is their platform.  Pretty simple.

Mr. Slippery Slope, always looking out for the Overdog.

Tell us more about what your best friend Mike Trout and all your close friends who are top D1 coaches think.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2019, 07:50:58 PM
Politics.  No, they are not always right, but that doesn’t change the law unless it gets overturned later.

Yes, the NFL does love it as does the NBA.  If you let Lawrence come out, why not an 18 year old...a cutoff exists today....you want to shorten it, and then the next guy will want to shorten it some more....give an inch take a mile.

Should college professors get paid more based on what their students become?  Should grad students who work for a prof who makes a discovery get a share of the spoils?  What if discovery turns out negative and ends up causing cancer years later....should grad student be subject to liabilities?  We can go on.

I’m quite aware why Saban is compensated why he is.  I have done many advertising deals with head coaches over the years.  They are paid to coach their teams, win, keep their players in line, bring good image and brand to the school or firm they represent. That is their platform.  Pretty simple.

I once did a deal for a dog trainer, famous dude who had his pure bread dogs in the Westminster Dog Show...should the dog have been compensated?  How about the Little Leaguers in Williamsport?

If someone wants to pay them, absolutely.  Just like Tua should have been able to profit of his likeness
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 16, 2019, 08:00:19 PM
If someone wants to pay them, absolutely.  Just like Tua should have been able to profit of his likeness


They can get paid now....for doing a job not related to playing college sports.  Been that way for a long time.


I don’t understand why you enterprising guys don’t start a minor league football or basketball league since the slavery dynamics of the NCAA are so horrible, people should be throwing money at you guys to do this.  Throwing it at you.  Plus you can run on the mantra that you are freeing people, get the morality money, etc....make a ton of money yourselves.  What is holding you smart guys back?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2019, 08:04:15 PM

They can get paid now....for doing a job not related to playing college sports.  Been that way for a long time.


I don’t understand why you enterprising guys don’t start a minor league football or basketball league since the slavery dynamics of the NCAA are so horrible, people should be throwing money at you guys to do this.  Throwing it at you.  Plus you can run on the mantra that you are freeing people, get the morality money, etc....make a ton of money yourselves.  What is holding you smart guys back?

Or athletes, like Olympic athletes can earn off their likeness.  It’s pretty simple and going to happen.  It’ll be a great day for college athletes
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 16, 2019, 08:17:06 PM
Who’s starting our new college football thread?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 16, 2019, 08:21:15 PM
Nick Saban profited from his likeness when he was 21 years old as a player?  Nope.  Your continued ridiculous apples to oranges comparisons remain absurd.  Nick Saban is an adult, approaching 70 years old.  He has paid his dues for years making squat as an assistant coach, and yes now makes a ton.  He made $8000 his first year as a coach.

You think it is a good idea for say a 18 year old to go right into the NFL?  The courts have decided this already, but you always know best. 



Iowa over Minnesota pick.....like taking candy from a baby.

Oklahoma looking like a top 7 team no doubt. Lose to KState. Gifted a win over Iowa State. Looks like a boat race for Baylor.. Candy from a kid baby.

Wisconsin can hardly beat IU so they can’t be a top 7 team. But PSU sure is. Because they totally handled IU. Oh wait.

Georgia overhyped. Kids and candy baby!

Clemson overhyped. Candy, kids, babies!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 08:28:40 PM
And yet there still will be people complaining when a likely high draft pick pulls a McCaffrey and skips the Weed-Eater Bowl or one of the 35 other meaningless winter exhibitions.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 16, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
So much for Minnesota. Looks like the battle for the Axe this year will also be for Big Ten West title.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 11:13:40 PM
Tua obviously was not 100% going into the game. Did Saban put the athletes' career in jeopardy?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 16, 2019, 11:14:36 PM
Tua obviously was not 100% going into the game. Did Saban put the athletes' career in jeopardy?

No
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 11:42:24 PM
No

Why do you say that so definitively?

I certainly don't think Saban intentionally did so, and I like to think Tua had full medical clearance to play.

But coaches do say quite often that they won't play anybody who isn't "healthy."
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 17, 2019, 08:18:25 AM
Why do you say that so definitively?

I certainly don't think Saban intentionally did so, and I like to think Tua had full medical clearance to play.

But coaches do say quite often that they won't play anybody who isn't "healthy."

Because Tua having a gimpy ankle had no role in two guys landing on him awkwardly, leading to a freak hip injury.

You've made quite clear here previously you're no Nick Saban fan - which is totally fine - but I suspect you may be letting that shade your feelings here.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2019, 09:50:16 AM
The interesting thing here is that people who are advocating that Alabama be one of the final four, not necessarily because of what they accomplish on the f

ield, but because they pass the "eye test" now really can't support that without Tua.

So here is where I stand at this point with the CFP

LSU - lock no matter how they perform in the SEC Championship
Ohio State - assuming they win out (which won't be easy with PSU and UM coming up), lock no matter how they play in B10 champ.
Clemson - needs to win out.
Georgia - only if they win out and win SEC Championship
Pac Ten Champion if Utah and Oregon win out.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 17, 2019, 10:45:28 AM
If Bama wins out and looks good against Auburn they’ll have a chance depending on how the rest of the chips fall.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 17, 2019, 10:45:44 AM
Because Tua having a gimpy ankle had no role in two guys landing on him awkwardly, leading to a freak hip injury.

You've made quite clear here previously you're no Nick Saban fan - which is totally fine - but I suspect you may be letting that shade your feelings here.

Re your last sentence, you're probably right.

Re your first sentence, you might be right, but we'll never really know. That he had a gimpy ankle might have prevented him from escaping those guys or at least putting himself in position to not be tackled the same way by them.

But I do get your point, and I thank you for explaining it.

I wish the best for Tua, and hope he has a full recovery. I also wish that he had been able to ply his craft in the NFL this season for millions and millions of dollars instead of at Bama for slightly more than bupkis.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
The interesting thing here is that people who are advocating that Alabama be one of the final four, not necessarily because of what they accomplish on the f

ield, but because they pass the "eye test" now really can't support that without Tua.

So here is where I stand at this point with the CFP

LSU - lock no matter how they perform in the SEC Championship
Ohio State - assuming they win out (which won't be easy with PSU and UM coming up), lock no matter how they play in B10 champ.
Clemson - needs to win out.
Georgia - only if they win out and win SEC Championship
Pac Ten Champion if Utah and Oregon win out.

Alabama needs a lot of help.  I don’t dismiss them because a backup QB will be starting.  If they win out, they have a chance but needs a lot of help as you state.  Given how the end of the year can be chaotic, it’s not far-fetched
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 17, 2019, 03:42:16 PM
Tuna expected to make full recovery
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on November 17, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
Tuna expected to make full recovery
dolphin safe?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 17, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
dolphin safe?

LOL

Damn phone
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 23, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
Would like to see what would happen if Oregon loses tonight and then wins out, Wisconsin or Minnesota beats O$U in the B1G title game, and Georgia wins out. Would be hilarious to put 3 SEC teams in the CFP, but don’t see how they could do it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2019, 09:26:10 PM
Would like to see what would happen if Oregon loses tonight and then wins out, Wisconsin or Minnesota beats O$U in the B1G title game, and Georgia wins out. Would be hilarious to put 3 SEC teams in the CFP, but don’t see how they could do it.

They could take a one loss Big 12 champion.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
Btw Justin Herbert returning for his senior season wasn’t a smart decision.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 23, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
They could take a one loss Big 12 champion.

True, kind of forgot about the Big 12. If Oklahoma won out I think they’d get in. I also think O$U would get in over 3 SEC teams, but I’d just be intrigued to see what they’d do.  If OU loses again and all that plays out my guess would be Bama left out and O$U makes it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2019, 06:48:50 AM
Has Clay Helton done enough to keep his job at USC?  He finished 8-4 with still a chance at the P12 championship game.  (If Utah loses at home to Colorado.) My guess is he's still gone. The Pac 12 is mediocre and recruiting stinks.  And if you indeed have Urban Meyer waiting in the wings, you'd be dumb not to hire him.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 24, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
Btw Justin Herbert returning for his senior season wasn’t a smart decision.

Maybe we should see where he is drafted.  Kid also said he wanted to play this year rather than sit. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 24, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Even Northwestern's future quarterbacks suck.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/star-high-school-quarterback-arrested-195611174.html
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2019, 12:08:27 PM
Even Northwestern's future quarterbacks suck.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/star-high-school-quarterback-arrested-195611174.html

I see the “Aidan Generation” has reached college age.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
True, kind of forgot about the Big 12. If Oklahoma won out I think they’d get in. I also think O$U would get in over 3 SEC teams, but I’d just be intrigued to see what they’d do.  If OU loses again and all that plays out my guess would be Bama left out and O$U makes it.

The problem is that if Bama beats Auburn, that will be their best win of the year. And even that’s not that great if you look at the rest of their schedule.

I would think if either Baylor or Oklahoma win out, and they play one another in the B12 championship game, they should be in before Bama.

So here is where I stand

1. LSU is a lock as long as they win one of the next two.

2. Ditto Ohio State

3. Clemson has to win out

4. UGa is in if they beat Tech and win the SEC Championship

5. One loss B12 Champion is next if one of the above doesn’t occur.

6. Minnesota if they win out

7. Alabama if they beat Auburn

8. Utah if they win out.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 24, 2019, 01:35:29 PM
The problem is that if Bama beats Auburn, that will be their best win of the year. And even that’s not that great if you look at the rest of their schedule.

I would think if either Baylor or Oklahoma win out, and they play one another in the B12 championship game, they should be in before Bama.

So here is where I stand

1. LSU is a lock as long as they win one of the next two.

2. Ditto Ohio State

3. Clemson has to win out

4. UGa is in if they beat Tech and win the SEC Championship

5. One loss B12 Champion is next if one of the above doesn’t occur.

6. Minnesota if they win out

7. Alabama if they beat Auburn

8. Utah if they win out.

On the flip side, Bama's worst loss would be by 5 points to the #1 team, in a game less than three weeks after their star QB had surgery and clearly wasn't 100 percent.
By contrast, Oklahoma and Georgia lost to teams that are unranked, and Minnesota and Utah have losses to teams that are borderline top 20. Clearly Alabama would have the "best" loss of the 1-loss teams.
I get wanting to reward teams for scheduling tougher opponents, but this seems like punishing Alabama because the SEC West wasn't as good this year as season's past.
Minnesota lost to a team barely in the top 20, Oklahoma lost to a team that's unranked,
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on November 24, 2019, 01:49:45 PM
8 team playoff. P5 champions + 3 at large (determined by committee). Boom, done.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 24, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
If Bama wins and Georgia loses, Bama is in.  Bama is ranked 5th right now in the CFP. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2019, 10:01:14 PM
8 team playoff. P5 champions + 3 at large (determined by committee). Boom, done.

Yes, but that's not how it's done. Fun to talk about, though.

As for this year ...

There is absolutely no way 1-loss Minnesota gets in ahead of 1-loss Alabama.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 24, 2019, 10:09:11 PM
A one loss Minnesota would have beaten Ohio State so both Minny and Bama would likely get in. That said, Minny isn’t beating OSU
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2019, 04:15:58 AM
A one loss Minnesota would have beaten Ohio State so both Minny and Bama would likely get in. That said, Minny isn’t beating OSU

OSU will get in with a championship game loss. A one loss Minnesota team is more deserving than one loss Alabama but that’s not happening.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 25, 2019, 07:20:55 AM
8 team playoff. P5 champions + 3 at large (determined by committee). Boom, done.
I would be for that format. Yet, I hear helmet heads against that. "We can't have a 9-4 Big Ten Champ Northwstern in the playoff."
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 09:32:14 AM
OSU will get in with a championship game loss. A one loss Minnesota team is more deserving than one loss Alabama but that’s not happening.

Why, because it has been forever?  Bama plays Minnesota...who wins?  Bama, going away.

Uw Madison extension beats Minnesota this week.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
Because Minnesota's two best wins (OSU and PSU), and arguably even their third best win (UW), would be better than any of Alabama's.  Right now Real Time RPI has Minnesota at 11 and Alabama at 7.  If UM beats UW and OSU, and Bama only beats Auburn, they would be ahead.

And if Minnesota can beat OSU, they can most certainly beat Alabama.  (It doesn't matter because they won't beat OSU in my opinion.)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 12:25:44 PM
Because Minnesota's two best wins (OSU and PSU), and arguably even their third best win (UW), would be better than any of Alabama's.  Right now Real Time RPI has Minnesota at 11 and Alabama at 7.  If UM beats UW and OSU, and Bama only beats Auburn, they would be ahead.

And if Minnesota can beat OSU, they can most certainly beat Alabama.  (It doesn't matter because they won't beat OSU in my opinion.)

If Minny beats OSU, fine...it isn't going to happen so I'm not going to worry about it.  I also believe that most in this country would say putting Minny and Bama on the field together, Minny is going to lose.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
If Minny beats OSU, fine...it isn't going to happen so I'm not going to worry about it.  I also believe that most in this country would say putting Minny and Bama on the field together, Minny is going to lose.


Well of course they're going to say that.  *I* would say that.  But that's not what the Committee is supposed to do. 

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol.aspx

A one loss, Big Ten Champion should make it over a one loss, SEC West runner-up.  Especially if it gets to that point, their strength of schedules would be relatively the same.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 25, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
No mention of another Yale-Harvard rivalry football classic ending with a 17-pt 4th Qtr comeback by Yale and then winning in the in 2nd OT practically in the dark. (The Yale Bowl does not have lights after 105 years of use (and they're actually coming with a bubble next year).)
The game also included a 1-hour delay due to an on-field climate change protest that saw actor Sam Waterson arrested among others.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
absolutely scathing editorial and another story on fed up bootsters on Rutgers after they chased off their #1 choice for the HC job (who also happens to be the only coach in the modern era to be successful there). Though even if they remain a bottom feeder program Delaney and the Big Ten will be happy with the BTN money they are bringing in.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/white-flag-not-white-smoke-rutgers-kills-big-time-football-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/rutgers-football-boosters-say-pat-hobbs-is-to-blame-for-breakdown-in-greg-schiano-deal.html
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on November 25, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
I don't doubt that Rutgers athletic department is a travesty, but I also can't imagine being upset that my donations won't go to pay Greg Schiano.  I can't imagine what its like to be a Rutgers booster, I guess is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2019, 02:13:35 PM
absolutely scathing editorial and another story on fed up bootsters on Rutgers after they chased off their #1 choice for the HC job (who also happens to be the only coach in the modern era to be successful there). Though even if they remain a bottom feeder program Delaney and the Big Ten will be happy with the BTN money they are bringing in.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/white-flag-not-white-smoke-rutgers-kills-big-time-football-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/rutgers-football-boosters-say-pat-hobbs-is-to-blame-for-breakdown-in-greg-schiano-deal.html


Here's my feeling.  Schiano was undoubtedly successful in the Rutgers scheme of things.  He finished his career there one game over .500 playing a much weaker schedule than they face now.  But I don't think he's a great coach.  I don't think he is what they need moving forward. 

They need a young, hungry guy with connections to the area.  They need their Matt Rhule (who Rutgers could have had when they hired Chris Ash).  Now I have no idea who that could be...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 02:50:22 PM
absolutely scathing editorial and another story on fed up bootsters on Rutgers after they chased off their #1 choice for the HC job (who also happens to be the only coach in the modern era to be successful there). Though even if they remain a bottom feeder program Delaney and the Big Ten will be happy with the BTN money they are bringing in.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/white-flag-not-white-smoke-rutgers-kills-big-time-football-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/rutgers-football-boosters-say-pat-hobbs-is-to-blame-for-breakdown-in-greg-schiano-deal.html

Classic example if you are going to fire someone the backup plan better be rock solid. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
No mention of another Yale-Harvard rivalry football classic ending with a 17-pt 4th Qtr comeback by Yale and then winning in the in 2nd OT practically in the dark. (The Yale Bowl does not have lights after 105 years of use (and they're actually coming with a bubble next year).)
The game also included a 1-hour delay due to an on-field climate change protest that saw actor Sam Waterson arrested among others.

I’m glad for the arrests and anytime these crazies do this to piss off more people, I say keep on doing it...loudly and proudly...keep on doing it for all to see.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 25, 2019, 03:42:05 PM
I’m glad for the arrests and anytime these crazies do this to piss off more people, I say keep on doing it...loudly and proudly...keep on doing it for all to see.

You should’ve driven your dope ass big, loud, environmentally unfriendly pickup right onto that field and revved that engine to get all that exhaust into the air right in front of those crazies. Put them in their place.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2019, 04:12:22 PM
Classic example if you are going to fire someone the backup plan better be rock solid.

they had to fire the previous guy but man, when you float immediately who you're after and screw it up then you really look incompetent.

Nobody is going to cry for Ash to return but any hire is going to be "not Schiano."
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 25, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
I’m glad for the arrests and anytime these crazies do this to piss off more people, I say keep on doing it...loudly and proudly...keep on doing it for all to see.

Actually all was good.  It was jointly planned between Harvard & Yale students and alumni.  Waterson is a Yale grad and was asked to participate.
Police gave time for those to decide to leave.  Most protesters walked off after about an hour; those who remained were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
Actually all was good.  It was jointly planned between Harvard & Yale students and alumni.  Waterson is a Yale grad and was asked to participate.
Police gave time for those to decide to leave.  Most protesters walked off after about an hour; those who remained were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

Didn't see an issue with it.  It's not like there was any destruction of property or violence like when groups such as the Proud Boys and Antifa get together to act like savages.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
Actually all was good.  It was jointly planned between Harvard & Yale students and alumni.  Waterson is a Yale grad and was asked to participate.
Police gave time for those to decide to leave.  Most protesters walked off after about an hour; those who remained were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

Nuisance.  Game was on tv, people make plans for game to start and be home at a specific time.  I just hope they are all living the chaste climate life they want to push on everyone, which I will bet my house they most certainly are not.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2019, 07:01:28 PM
Nuisance.  Game was on tv, people make plans for game to start and be home at a specific time.  I just hope they are all living the chaste climate life they want to push on everyone, which I will bet my house they most certainly are not.

Maybe in soccer where you know each half is going to be 45 minutes (plus around 8-10 minutes of stoppage time) and half-time 15, but football always has variables when it comes to the length of the game.  Style of play (I went to a college game between two spread offense teams and because of the number of passes and incompletions the game lasted over four hours), overtime, scoring, etc.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2019, 07:16:25 PM
Yes.  God forbid that the youth protest something important to them because people could be nuisanced attending a sporting event.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 25, 2019, 08:06:42 PM
Because Minnesota's two best wins (OSU and PSU), and arguably even their third best win (UW), would be better than any of Alabama's.  Right now Real Time RPI has Minnesota at 11 and Alabama at 7.  If UM beats UW and OSU, and Bama only beats Auburn, they would be ahead.

And if Minnesota can beat OSU, they can most certainly beat Alabama.  (It doesn't matter because they won't beat OSU in my opinion.)

I know RPI is virtually worthless in CBB. Honest question: Is it any better for CFB?

Sagerin has OSU, Clemson, Alabama and LSU as his top 4. Minnesota is 20th. Seems about right.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jables1604 on November 25, 2019, 08:22:51 PM
Nuisance.  Game was on tv, people make plans for game to start and be home at a specific time.  I just hope they are all living the chaste climate life they want to push on everyone, which I will bet my house they most certainly are not.
What kind of a share does Harvard-Yale do?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 26, 2019, 06:07:36 PM
What kind of a share does Harvard-Yale do?
The game didn't rate in the top 150. So, I don't have a number.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
What kind of a share does Harvard-Yale do?

are we talking ratings or arrogance and sense of entitlement?  That latter is through the roof.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 06:48:07 PM
What kind of a share does Harvard-Yale do?

Low, but for a person that has an interest in watching it...matters to them...right?  The stadium has no lights, the game went to 2OT, you could hardly see at the end of the game. 

Sunset was 4:26pm, the game ended at 4:38pm with fans complaining you could not see the action at that point.  Player safety etc.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 26, 2019, 06:49:58 PM
Low, but for a person that has an interest in watching it...matters to them...right?  The stadium has no lights, the game went to 2OT, you could hardly see at the end of the game. 

Sunset was 4:26pm, the game ended at 4:38pm with fans complaining you could not see the action at that point.  Player safety etc.



Such a shame that those students have to care about something like the earth. They need to respect the sporting event!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 07:15:12 PM
OSU moves to number one after beating Penn State...committee must have thought PSU was pretty decent.   8-)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 26, 2019, 09:15:11 PM
OSU moves to number one after beating Penn State...committee must have thought PSU was pretty decent.   8-)

That's not how it works.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
That's not how it works.

I guess you should ignore what the committee said in particular of why they moved OSU ahead of LSU and their comments about Penn State....apparently someone forgot to tell them how it works.


“They're obviously both very good on the offensive side. And this week the committee felt that that win over Penn State again solidified that Ohio State's a little better on the defensive side of the ball."
-CFP Selection Committee Chair Rob Mullens

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
SEC officials trying out for the NFL tonight.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 02:43:17 PM
Virginia ends the 15 year losing streak to Virginia Tech. Crowd storms the field. QB, Bryce Perkins gets jumped by Sam Hauser on the field.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2019, 03:04:36 PM
Virginia ends the 15 year losing streak to Virginia Tech. Crowd storms the field. QB, Bryce Perkins gets jumped by Sam Hauser on the field.

I saw that but didn’t recognize Hauser until you mentioned it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 29, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
Such a shame that those students have to care about something like the earth. They need to respect the sporting event!

Yes, because no one else cares about the earth....all they are doing is passing more people off which essentially diminishes them and isolates their cause because of stupid tactics.  Very productive...so smart.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
Yes, because no one else cares about the earth....all they are doing is passing more people off which essentially diminishes them and isolates their cause because of stupid tactics.  Very productive...so smart.

Lol. Dumbasses like yourself keep talking about it though. Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 06:57:16 PM
So, Nebraska and TCU both lost. No bowl game. 5-7.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on November 29, 2019, 07:57:10 PM
Virginia ends the 15 year losing streak to Virginia Tech. Crowd storms the field. QB, Bryce Perkins gets jumped by Sam Hauser on the field.

Sam's accustomed to riding the backs of better athletes.

(Relax ... it's a joke)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jay Bee on November 29, 2019, 08:54:10 PM
Gameday here. Holla
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
Lol. Dumbasses like yourself keep talking about it though. Mission accomplished.

Exposing their stupid actions, not what they stood for...dumbass.

The entire movement now is going under a rebranding they have lost their message so badly.  This is how badly the boy who cried wolf approach they have taken has failed.

https://adage.com/article/industry-insights/renaming-climate-change-can-new-name-finally-make-us-take-action/2218821


Dumbass

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2019, 11:32:05 AM
Exposing their stupid actions, not what they stood for...dumbass.

The entire movement now is going under a rebranding they have lost their message so badly.  This is how badly the boy who cried wolf approach they have taken has failed.

https://adage.com/article/industry-insights/renaming-climate-change-can-new-name-finally-make-us-take-action/2218821


Dumbass

Politics
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 30, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
I could use some cash for the holidays cheeks. Where should I put my money today? Since you’ve never got a college football pick wrong, ever.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
Exposing their stupid actions, not what they stood for...dumbass.

The entire movement now is going under a rebranding they have lost their message so badly.  This is how badly the boy who cried wolf approach they have taken has failed.

https://adage.com/article/industry-insights/renaming-climate-change-can-new-name-finally-make-us-take-action/2218821


Dumbass




More brainless pablum. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
Harbaugh getting humiliated again.

Even Wojo has beaten Whiskey 3 outta the last 5
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2019, 01:50:46 PM
Kicking a FG to cut the lead to 42-19 was embarrassing.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
Iron Bowl is a shootout. That Waddle is sure fast.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 05:21:12 PM
Why, because it has been forever?  Bama plays Minnesota...who wins?  Bama, going away.

Uw Madison extension beats Minnesota this week.


Taking candy from a baby....just giving you all wins week after week after week.


 8-)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 30, 2019, 05:22:32 PM

Taking candy from a baby....just giving you all wins week after week after week.


 8-)

Why would that be? Top 7 team PSU couldn’t beat MN. Non-top-7 WI is annihilating MN.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Why would that be? Top 7 team PSU couldn’t beat MN. Non-top-7 WI is annihilating MN.

Because last time I checked matchups matter...just like in basketball.  How many upsets have I given you guys this year straight up, not even the points?

Packers at Cowboys
Iowa over Minnesota
Minny over Penn State
Ravens over Patriots
Wisconsin over Minnesota
Etc etc

Matchups matter.  Always have, and always will.  A over B, B over C, doesn’t mean A over C.   Sports isn’t that easy. 

Candy from a baby
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 30, 2019, 05:52:33 PM
Because last time I checked matchups matter...just like in basketball.  How many upsets have I given you guys this year straight up, not even the points?

Packers at Cowboys
Iowa over Minnesota
Minny over Penn State
Ravens over Patriots
Wisconsin over Minnesota
Etc etc

Matchups matter.  Always have, and always will.  A over B, B over C, doesn’t mean A over C.   Sports isn’t that easy. 

Candy from a baby

Lol. You came on here and told us you wouldn’t bet your son...after the Packers and Cowboys game had ended. Just like you came on here predicting SJU volleyball over Marquette...after the game had ended. Let us all how at the feet of the all knowing Cheeks!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
Lol. You came on here and told us you wouldn’t bet your son...after the Packers and Cowboys game had ended. Just like you came on here predicting SJU volleyball over Marquette...after the game had ended. Let us all how at the feet of the all knowing Cheeks!

I told you a week before the game Packers jd the edge over the Cowboys...nice try.  Everyone here disagreed, everyone.

As for MU vs SJU, no idea who won or lost. 


Here was my post...Sept 30th, 6 days before the game and why the Packers had the edge.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58916.msg1159300#msg1159300

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on November 30, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
I told you a week before the game Packers jd the edge over the Cowboys...nice try.  Everyone here disagreed, everyone.

As for MU vs SJU, no idea who won or lost. 


Here was my post...Sept 30th, 6 days before the game and why the Packers had the edge.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58916.msg1159300#msg1159300

Christ, what an a--h---
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on November 30, 2019, 06:22:17 PM
I told you a week before the game Packers jd the edge over the Cowboys...nice try.  Everyone here disagreed, everyone.

As for MU vs SJU, no idea who won or lost. 


Here was my post...Sept 30th, 6 days before the game and why the Packers had the edge.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58916.msg1159300#msg1159300

Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
Christ, what an a--h---

Christ was not....please keep religion out of it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on November 30, 2019, 06:34:53 PM
I told you a week before the game Packers jd the edge over the Cowboys...nice try.  Everyone here disagreed, everyone.

As for MU vs SJU, no idea who won or lost. 


Here was my post...Sept 30th, 6 days before the game and why the Packers had the edge.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58916.msg1159300#msg1159300

Lol.  Let me guess.  Next you're going to predict MU blows out USC, scores over 100 points, and Markus goes for over 50 points.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Lol.  Let me guess.  Next you're going to predict MU blows out USC, scores over 100 points, and Markus goes for over 50 points.

All of my picks here happened well before the games, days if not weeks...sorry you don’t like it...taking candy from a baby.  You could have made some dough.

I like Maryland tomorrow over us.  Happy to be wrong.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
So LSU and OSU are locks. Clemson isn’t going to lose to UVA.

So it’s Utah if they win out, Georgia if they win next week, or a one loss B12 champion. All competing for the final spot.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 06:48:26 PM
So LSU and OSU are locks. Clemson isn’t going to lose to UVA.

So it’s Utah if they win out, Georgia if they win next week, or a one loss B12 champion. All competing for the final spot.

Which is it?

You have three in there (Clemson, OSU, LSU) and then say if Utah wins out they are in but if Georgia if they win next week. Both Utah and Georgia can do what you suggest, but one one can get in.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2019, 06:49:38 PM
Usually we don't get upsets in the SEC Title Game. Utah, Oklahoma and Baylor need to hope that trend continues.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2019, 06:53:28 PM
Which is it?

You have three in there (Clemson, OSU, LSU) and then say if Utah wins out they are in but if Georgia if they win next week. Both Utah and Georgia can do what you suggest, but one one can get in.

Read more carefully.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jables1604 on November 30, 2019, 07:09:21 PM
Quote from: Cheeks link=topic=59005.msg1177700#msg1177700

I like Maryland tomorrow over us.  Happy to be wrong.
[/quote

So you like us losing to the #5 team in the country? Way to go out on a limb.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
[quote author=Cheeks link=topic=59005.msg1177700#msg1177700

I like Maryland tomorrow over us.  Happy to be wrong.


So you like us losing to the #5 team in the country? Way to go out on a limb.

Well I liked Wisconsin today on the road over a top ten ranked team...got it right.  Done pretty well with my picks against favorites.

I don’t believe in college basketball ratings this early anyway, we certainly have a great shot tomorrow...hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 08:29:02 PM
Read more carefully.

Write more clearly. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Write more clearly. 

I will try to keep to monosyllabic words in the future to match your intellect.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
The look on Saban's face when he flipped his headset to one of his underlings right after the Alabama defense gave Auburn a first down for illegal substitution ... that was one of the most precious sights of the entire college football season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 09:55:43 PM
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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 01, 2019, 12:36:34 AM
Schiano to Rutgers
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 01, 2019, 09:00:41 AM
Schiano to Rutgers


I don't get it.  I know they're is an emotional attachment to a guy who once was a decent coach in the Big East, but there is little to suggest that this will end well. 

But maybe that's the best they can do and they are hoping for a couple 7-5 finishes by loading up on non-conference cupcakes and hoping the B10 schedule provides a couple winning games.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 01, 2019, 09:22:15 AM

I don't get it.  I know they're is an emotional attachment to a guy who once was a decent coach in the Big East, but there is little to suggest that this will end well. 

But maybe that's the best they can do and they are hoping for a couple 7-5 finishes by loading up on non-conference cupcakes and hoping the B10 schedule provides a couple winning games.

I can't imagine them landing anyone better.
He's a bit of a clown, to be sure, but he's not a bad college football coach.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 01, 2019, 09:55:48 AM
Well I liked Wisconsin today on the road over a top ten ranked team...got it right.  Done pretty well with my picks against favorites.

You know that uw-madison extension was the favorite in yesterday's game, yes? Guess you're talking about something else re: "picks against favorites"
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 01, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
You know that uw-madison extension was the favorite in yesterday's game, yes? Guess you're talking about something else re: "picks against favorites"

Lol.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 01, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
I can't imagine them landing anyone better.
He's a bit of a clown, to be sure, but he's not a bad college football coach.

I think I would rather go for a young coach, who is from the area, who can bring some energy to the program.  Not a retread. 

Granted I have no idea who that would be...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 01, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
You know that uw-madison extension was the favorite in yesterday's game, yes? Guess you're talking about something else re: "picks against favorites"

Nope, I didn’t until you said it.  With reading the what ifs here about Minny beating Ohio State, etc..I am surprised.  Glad you corrected me...thank you.

I think Becky gives OSU a run in Indy...not because Becky is somehow elite...they aren’t...but OSU is in, they know it, and 18 to 22 year old kids let their guard down.  They know they manhandled them the first time, they won’t be as focused. Still have OSU winning, but will be much closer in my opinion.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 01, 2019, 01:07:37 PM
Clay Helton fired
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 01, 2019, 02:13:05 PM
Clay Helton fired

Or not.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 01, 2019, 02:39:05 PM
Clay Helton has not been fired (yet?).
Charlie Strong has, in fact, been fired.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 01, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
Mick McCall finally got canned.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 01, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
Clay Helton has not been fired (yet?).
Charlie Strong has, in fact, been fired.

But the media said it was true.   :o  SI reporting he got fired, school denies it.  #fakenewsForNow?

Charlie Strong, a little surprised he made it this long.  Seems like a good man, perhaps more asst coach material.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 01, 2019, 06:29:59 PM
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 01, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
But the media said it was true.   :o  SI reporting he got fired, school denies it.  #fakenewsForNow?

So you're saying that in a rush to publish information for public consumption someone didn't make sure they had their facts straight?
Shame on anyone who would do that.

#cheeksneverwrong
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 01, 2019, 07:26:40 PM
Matt Luke out at Ole Miss.
Given the mess Hugh Freeze left for him, not sure what more could have been reasonably expected of him.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 01, 2019, 08:02:30 PM
Matt Luke out at Ole Miss.
Given the mess Hugh Freeze left for him, not sure what more could have been reasonably expected of him.


What do reasonable expectations have to do with SEC football?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 01, 2019, 08:57:22 PM
What do reasonable expectations have to do with SEC football?

Fair point.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 02, 2019, 08:19:03 AM
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.

I think Strong was in a favorable situation in Louisville. Relatively strong program with some remnants of what Petrine built but other much in the way of expectations, tons of monetary support, soft conference. Texas was a terrible fit.

I actually think USF did the right thing. Same thing happened with Skip Holtz. Once they saw it was going in the wrong direction and early success was based on the previous regime set up, they moved on. Strong took over a really strong setup from Taggert and fell off quickly
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 08:35:02 AM
Strong didn't follow Petrino.  He followed Steve Kragthorpe, who was 15-21 his three years as head coach.  Strong won there because he pulled in a lot of Florida talent, including Teddy Bridgewater.  He was supposed to replicate that at Texas, but obviously didn't.  It kind of fell apart for him at USF.  I agree with you about cutting ties early. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.

Don't forget that UT's biggest booster wanted Strong fired before he coached a game for the Horns. He wasn't the white man for the job there.

I'm surprised Strong didn't do well at USF.  He'll be a DC somewhere next year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 02:49:17 PM
Chris Petersen stepping down at Washington. Moving into administration - at least for now. Will clearly have opportunities in future if he wishes.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on December 02, 2019, 04:08:34 PM
Chris Petersen stepping down at Washington. Moving into administration - at least for now. Will clearly have opportunities in future if he wishes.

I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2019, 07:00:27 PM
I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.

Of all the college journos out there, I respect Bruce Feldman the most and he raves about Jimmy Lake, fwiw
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2019, 01:25:37 AM
Strong didn't follow Petrino.  He followed Steve Kragthorpe, who was 15-21 his three years as head coach.  Strong won there because he pulled in a lot of Florida talent, including Teddy Bridgewater.  He was supposed to replicate that at Texas, but obviously didn't.  It kind of fell apart for him at USF.  I agree with you about cutting ties early.

I know, hence why I said remnants. Kragthorpe was awful, but the appeal of Louisville and their resurgence hasn’t quite disappeared. But the Florida piece was also huge. And I think 1 key thing have changed. When Strong poached Florida at Louisville, UCF wasn’t the power they became in the last 5-7 years. Kiffin is doing some nice stuff at FAU, and for all his faults, dude can recruit. So suddenly, Strong wasn’t as easily compelling an alternative for the instate non UF/FSU/Miami kids at USF like he was at Louisville.

I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.

Totally agree. The Boise tree is strong, but Lake didn’t spend much time there, he’s just a Petersen disciple. I’ve heard good things as well, but it’s still odd for a program like U Dub. Also, I find it odd cause Petersen was good, but he didn’t really set the world on fire outside of 1 year.


Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 03, 2019, 08:28:08 AM
Some teams are going after Bryan Harsin at Boise St. We'll see if he decides to stay or make a move. Harsin has been an assistant under both Hawkins and Peterson. He has done well there on his own.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
So nice to start December with ND, Bama and UW-Madison on the outside looking in.

Although, to be honest, it was always fun to watch ND lose 849-2 in a playoff game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 03, 2019, 06:41:13 PM
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 03, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?

Clemson.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 03, 2019, 09:04:12 PM
I could certainly see it, and I don't really have a plausible alternative, but youd have a tough time convincing me that a non-conference champ with 0 top 25 wins is one of the best 4 teams in the country.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:43:02 PM
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do? 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 04, 2019, 05:57:03 AM
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do?

Can you please take your ax and somewhere else to grind it?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 06:51:51 AM
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?

If they take the 4 best teams, it’s Clemson and a clear no-brainer.  I won’t argue the ACC is any good but credit to Clemson for steamrolling those teams (save UNC).  I also agree with Dabo about South Carolina.  It’s a yearly rivalry game on the schedule and not their fault the Cocks are bad.  They also scheduled Texas A&M, another team anyone would agree should be a good game.  All the metrics point to Clemson being a top-3 team, regardless of this weekend.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do? 


https://www.si.com/college/usc/football/report-usc-keeping-helton/

Can you please be done with this silliness now?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 07:58:08 AM
Anyway, my guess is that retaining Helton made sense because either Urban said "no" or "not yet," or maybe they'd go after Chris Petersen next year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Weird that Baylor jumped Wisconsin in the playoff poll.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 09:27:24 AM
Weird that Baylor jumped Wisconsin in the playoff poll.


Not really.  They are sending the message that Wisconsin has no chance, which they shouldn't.  If Georgia wins, they're in.  If they don't, it looks like it could be Utah, or the winner of Oklahoma v. Baylor.  That's it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 10:06:08 AM
If they take the 4 best teams, it’s Clemson and a clear no-brainer.

I agree, but I also probably would say that Alabama is one of the 4 best teams. They simply were not at their best, for a number of reasons, in a 5-point loss to LSU and a 3-point loss at Auburn. So they won't get to play among the final four, whether or not they are one of the 4 best.

If Clemson somehow loses Saturday, they still might make the playoff ... but if they don't make the playoff, the fault will be 100% their own. (I know you're not saying anything different.)

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 10:06:40 AM

Not really.  They are sending the message that Wisconsin has no chance, which they shouldn't.  If Georgia wins, they're in.  If they don't, it looks like it could be Utah, or the winner of Oklahoma v. Baylor.  That's it.

Wisconsin would need to beat the doors off Ohio State and have a lot more chaos in front of them and even then, I don’t see a path. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 10:07:06 AM

Not really.  They are sending the message that Wisconsin has no chance, which they shouldn't.  If Georgia wins, they're in.  If they don't, it looks like it could be Utah, or the winner of Oklahoma v. Baylor.  That's it.

OK, I'm fine with a 2 loss Wisconsin having no chance.  Why wouldn't Baylor be ranked ahead of Wisconsin the week before? There is zero reason Baylor should jump Wisconsin, when Baylor beat Kansas and Wisconsin beat Minnesota last week.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
I agree, but I also probably would say that Alabama is one of the 4 best teams.


Yeah, I don't think so.  Not much evidence that's the case at all.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 10:08:51 AM
I agree, but I also probably would say that Alabama is one of the 4 best teams. They simply were not at their best, for a number of reasons, in a 5-point loss to LSU and a 3-point loss at Auburn. So they won't get to play among the final four, whether or not they are one of the 4 best.

If Clemson somehow loses Saturday, they still might make the playoff ... but if they don't make the playoff, the fault will be 100% their own. (I know you're not saying anything different.)

I can see that scenario, too, and agree about Alabama.  I think the top 3 are locks.  About all a Clemson loss does is drop them to the 4, I believe and that would probably be worse for the 1-seed
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
OK, I'm fine with a 2 loss Wisconsin have no chance.  Then, why wouldn't Baylor be ranked ahead of Wisconsin the week before? There is zero reason Baylor should jump Wisconsin, when Baylor beat Kansas and Wisconsin beat Minnesota last week.


Because the polls are a PR excercise meant to justify the final four selections and not a logical one.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 10:10:11 AM

Yeah, I don't think so.  Not much evidence that's the case at all.

The metrics love Alabama.  LSU is simply better this year and that’s why LSU won. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 10:14:32 AM

Yeah, I don't think so.  Not much evidence that's the case at all.

With a healthy Tua, they're definitely a top 4 team.
But they haven't had a healthy Tua for six weeks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2019, 10:37:50 AM
Teams with little or no chance to make the playoffs that would have had a reasonable chance to go unbeaten with Clemson's schedule: Baylor, Florida, Penn State, Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, maybe even Minnesota.  If you're going to punish UCF for playing an incredibly soft schedule (something I agree with), why would you not treat Clemson the same way?  Wasn't Bama blasted because their SOS was incredibly soft for the first 8 weeks, and they were in the top 4 on reputation alone?   We judging Clemson on 2019, or combined 2018-19?

Now, I think they'll beat UVA and make this all unnecessary, an unbeaten P5 team gets in, but they're going to get either Ohio State, or LSU in the semi's.  How it's going to look if a team that only beat Bama by 5 blows out Clemson?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 10:55:09 AM
Teams with little or no chance to make the playoffs that would have had a reasonable chance to go unbeaten with Clemson's schedule: Baylor, Florida, Penn State, Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, maybe even Minnesota.  If you're going to punish UCF for playing an incredibly soft schedule (something I agree with), why would you not treat Clemson the same way?  Wasn't Bama blasted because their SOS was incredibly soft for the first 8 weeks, and they were in the top 4 on reputation alone?   We judging Clemson on 2019, or combined 2018-19?

Now, I think they'll beat UVA and make this all unnecessary, an unbeaten P5 team gets in, but they're going to get either Ohio State, or LSU in the semi's.  How it's going to look if a team that only beat Bama by 5 blows out Clemson?

It's a bit silly, though, to judge a team solely or primarily by its strength of schedule. Clemson can't control the fact that the ACC is trash right now, thanks largely to the demise of Florida State and Miami. At some point, don't you have to judge the quality of a team by how it performs, rather than just who it performs against? SOS definitely ought to be a factor, but it shouldn't be used to exclude a team that checks all the other boxes.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 11:00:49 AM

Because the polls are a PR excercise meant to justify the final four selections and not a logical one.

The polls might or might not be "a PR exercise" -- if that is your opinion, cool. But the AP poll pre-dates the final four selections by eight decades.

So if anything, the playoff system was instituted to "justify" the polls.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
With a healthy Tua, they're definitely a top 4 team.
But they haven't had a healthy Tua for six weeks.

True dat.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Teams with little or no chance to make the playoffs that would have had a reasonable chance to go unbeaten with Clemson's schedule: Baylor, Florida, Penn State, Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, maybe even Minnesota.  If you're going to punish UCF for playing an incredibly soft schedule (something I agree with), why would you not treat Clemson the same way?  Wasn't Bama blasted because their SOS was incredibly soft for the first 8 weeks, and they were in the top 4 on reputation alone?   We judging Clemson on 2019, or combined 2018-19?

Now, I think they'll beat UVA and make this all unnecessary, an unbeaten P5 team gets in, but they're going to get either Ohio State, or LSU in the semi's.  How it's going to look if a team that only beat Bama by 5 blows out Clemson?

All things aren’t equal.  That’s why I dismiss arguments about fairness when it comes to players earning off their NLI.  There are haves and have nots.

Is that fair to UCF?  Nope.  My argument here will be using computer numbers.  Not many computers, if any, had UCF in the top 4 or top 8 for that matter.  Clemson has been a top 4 team all year.

I also add, blowouts in the semi-finals aren’t that rare and probably means the team that does the blowing out is that much better
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2019, 11:08:11 AM
It's a bit silly, though, to judge a team solely or primarily by its strength of schedule. Clemson can't control the fact that the ACC is trash right now, thanks largely to the demise of Florida State and Miami. At some point, don't you have to judge the quality of a team by how it performs, rather than just who it performs against? SOS definitely ought to be a factor, but it shouldn't be used to exclude a team that checks all the other boxes.


Agree that its not Clemson's fault, same way it wasn't UCF fault, but when you're hanging you hat on a Texas A&M team that hasn't beaten a team over .500 this year, I think it warrants a little more scrutiny.   Florida's best win (Auburn) is exponentially better, but they're done because they lost to UGA and LSU (two current top 4 teams).  Auburn beat that same A&M team, plus has wins over Oregon and Bama, yet they're done because they lost to UFA, LSU, and UGA.  Bama won on the road @A&M by a larger margin that Clemson won by at home, plus has proven its ability to pound inferior teams and look great doing it.  The "eye test" has it's merits at times, but at some point, you have to beat someone.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2019, 11:15:19 AM
All things aren’t equal.  That’s why I dismiss arguments about fairness when it comes to players earning off their NLI.  There are haves and have nots.

Is that fair to UCF?  Nope.  My argument here will be using computer numbers.  Not many computers, if any, had UCF in the top 4 or top 8 for that matter.  Clemson has been a top 4 team all year.

I also add, blowouts in the semi-finals aren’t that rare and probably means the team that does the blowing out is that much better

Clemson's in the top 4 because of their success last year, their ability to beat an A&M team in early September (who was not as good as the #12 ranking they had at the time), and their ability to not screw up and beat inferior opponents.  Beating Georgia Tech 52-14 may look good, but then you look and see that GT also lost to the Citadel, and scored 2 whole points against Temple, and it becomes very meh.

Full disclosure, with the implementation of the CFP, I've upped my CFB games watched per year from 1 to 3, so not exactly in my element, but if we're going to start using computer numbers again, why not just go back to BCS rankings? 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 11:24:41 AM
With a healthy Tua, they're definitely a top 4 team.
But they haven't had a healthy Tua for six weeks.

Who is their best win? @ Texas A&M. Alabama's defense is very poor.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
Clemson's in the top 4 because of their success last year, their ability to beat an A&M team in early September (who was not as good as the #12 ranking they had at the time), and their ability to not screw up and beat inferior opponents.  Beating Georgia Tech 52-14 may look good, but then you look and see that GT also lost to the Citadel, and scored 2 whole points against Temple, and it becomes very meh.

Full disclosure, with the implementation of the CFP, I've upped my CFB games watched per year from 1 to 3, so not exactly in my element, but if we're going to start using computer numbers again, why not just go back to BCS rankings?

They’re also undefeated.  A 1-loss Clemson would be scrambling for the last spot with OU, Baylor, Utah and Georgia and have no room for error Saturday.

I’d be fine if the committee used metrics as a barometer for a teams worth
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2019, 11:36:00 AM
They’re also undefeated.  A 1-loss Clemson would be scrambling for the last spot with OU, Baylor, Utah and Georgia and have no room for error Saturday.

I’d be fine if the committee used metrics as a barometer for a teams worth

I've already stated that I think it'll be unnecessary because I think that they'll beat UVA and and undefeated P5 team should get in.  My hypothetical is if they lose to UVA. 

There is certainly an argument to take a two loss team that has marquee wins (Florida, or Penn State for example), over a 1 loss team with no good wins.  Just look at Auburn's schedule; Oregon (neutral site), @Florida, @LSU, Georgia, and Bama.  That's three top 10 teams and an additional 2 top 15 (not to mention beating the same A&M team that is Clemson's best win).  If they had found a way to turn one of their three L's into W's, I would certainly take a two loss Auburn over a 1 loss Clemson.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 11:41:00 AM
Who is their best win? @ Texas A&M. Alabama's defense is very poor.

They don't lose to Auburn with a healthy Tua, and maybe even beat LSU.

And, again, it's lazy and over simplistic to judge teams only by who they've beaten. It's not irrelevant, but it's far from comprehensive.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 11:46:01 AM
I've already stated that I think it'll be unnecessary because I think that they'll beat UVA and and undefeated P5 team should get in.  My hypothetical is if they lose to UVA. 

There is certainly an argument to take a two loss team that has marquee wins (Florida, or Penn State for example), over a 1 loss team with no good wins.  Just look at Auburn's schedule; Oregon (neutral site), @Florida, @LSU, Georgia, and Bama.  That's three top 10 teams and an additional 2 top 15 (not to mention beating the same A&M team that is Clemson's best win).  If they had found a way to turn one of their three L's into W's, I would certainly take a two loss Auburn over a 1 loss Clemson.

I understand your argument and politely disagree if that’s ok in scoop.  I simply think Clemson would beat all the teams you list, including Auburn
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Its DJOver on December 04, 2019, 11:52:06 AM
I understand your argument and politely disagree if that’s ok in scoop.  I simply think Clemson would beat all the teams you list, including Auburn

Perfectly fine to disagree, I'm just laying out the argument against Clemson. 

I know that schedules get made years in advance, but I would hope that Clemson put together a better non-conference next year to avoid all this, because even with a Oregon, or Iowa caliber win on their resume, I think they could lose a game and be in no problem.  Hell, go beat the crap out of Bucky.  If Clemson is as good as some think, it should be no problem, and it's always fun to see Bucky get stomped by an actual contender.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 01:06:37 PM
With a healthy Tua, they're definitely a top 4 team.
But they haven't had a healthy Tua for six weeks.


And that's not really relevant.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 01:44:37 PM
They don't lose to Auburn with a healthy Tua, and maybe even beat LSU.

And, again, it's lazy and over simplistic to judge teams only by who they've beaten. It's not irrelevant, but it's far from comprehensive.

Ok, I'll give you Auburn with two pick six in that game that hurt Bama. Yet, LSU. Tua played in that game and played well. Alabama never lead in that game. There defense was bad.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
Ooopsie....I'm sorry, so sorry, so so sorry

SI reporter apologizes for f'ing up about Clay Helton 4 days later.   https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/04/new-sports-illustrated-sports-illustrated-can-dispute-its-own-reporting/

https://youtu.be/r-TkjEdB1kE
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 06, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
Ooopsie....I'm sorry, so sorry, so so sorry

When will you apologize for posting the same false info here?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: LON on December 06, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
When will you apologize for posting the same false info here?

That would require some self-reflection and at least a modicum of self-awareness.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 06, 2019, 10:21:29 AM
That would require some self-reflection and at least a modicum of self-awareness.


And ethical consistency.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2019, 10:43:53 AM
In fairness, hoopaloop is just an interwebs troll. He should not have to be held to the same high standards as a Sports Illustrated journalist.

Of course, as is often the case missed on interwebs chat boards, there is nuance to all of this.

The guy who wrote the initial piece isn't actually an SI employee. In this day and age of extreme cost-cutting and shortcut-taking in the media, SI uses "local" reporters to provide everything from mundane info to "scoops." This time, SI was burned for its cheapness and its editorial strategy.

In turn, the guy who wrote the piece got burned by what he felt were reliable sources. Thankfully, that's pretty rare, but it has happened since the beginning of journalism and it still happens today. I had a source tell me 20 years ago that the Cubs were not going to fire Jim Riggleman; I can't say who the source was, but if I did, there isn't a single Scooper who would have disbelieved the source. Not one. But Riggleman did get fired, which made me "wrong."

I'm not defending any of that, just stating facts. SI keeping the erroneous report on its site for days is a different matter -- impossible to defend, and I won't try.

Mistakes happen in every industry -- even hoopaloop's. I'll go out on a wild limb here and say that, once or twice in his life, even hoopaloop might have made one.

In journalism, most such mistakes have very minor repercussions, or none at all. Every so often, they have major ones, as was the case for, say, Richard Jewell.

hoopaloop stated awhile back that he was salivating to watch the Jewell movie ... and I'm not surprised, because this will be red meat to those who demonize the media. I also am interested in the movie because I was there in Atlanta, and I hope the film portrays everything accurately. In real life, it obviously was not the finest hour for either law enforcement or journalism.

I do hope that after watching Jewell, hoopaloop goes home and watches All the President's Men and Spotlight -- films that show how journalists have played significant roles in rooting out true evil in society. Thankfully, great journalists are still doing that to this day.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2019, 02:14:30 PM
Ooopsie....I'm sorry, so sorry, so so sorry

SI reporter apologizes for f'ing up about Clay Helton 4 days later.   https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/04/new-sports-illustrated-sports-illustrated-can-dispute-its-own-reporting/

https://youtu.be/r-TkjEdB1kE

I'm quite certain that tweet was sent out in collaboration with Helton and/or his agent so USC had to backtrack and then not fire him.

One more year for Helton then Chris Pedersen comes on down to LA.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
When will you apologize for posting the same false info here?

I’m not a reporter who is supposed to do his job properly with vetting.  Remember the higher standard BS you held to certain occupations...no different here. 

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 07:57:46 PM
In fairness, hoopaloop is just an interwebs troll. He should not have to be held to the same high standards as a Sports Illustrated journalist.

Of course, as is often the case missed on interwebs chat boards, there is nuance to all of this.

The guy who wrote the initial piece isn't actually an SI employee. In this day and age of extreme cost-cutting and shortcut-taking in the media, SI uses "local" reporters to provide everything from mundane info to "scoops." This time, SI was burned for its cheapness and its editorial strategy.

In turn, the guy who wrote the piece got burned by what he felt were reliable sources. Thankfully, that's pretty rare, but it has happened since the beginning of journalism and it still happens today. I had a source tell me 20 years ago that the Cubs were not going to fire Jim Riggleman; I can't say who the source was, but if I did, there isn't a single Scooper who would have disbelieved the source. Not one. But Riggleman did get fired, which made me "wrong."

I'm not defending any of that, just stating facts. SI keeping the erroneous report on its site for days is a different matter -- impossible to defend, and I won't try.

Mistakes happen in every industry -- even hoopaloop's. I'll go out on a wild limb here and say that, once or twice in his life, even hoopaloop might have made one.

In journalism, most such mistakes have very minor repercussions, or none at all. Every so often, they have major ones, as was the case for, say, Richard Jewell.

hoopaloop stated awhile back that he was salivating to watch the Jewell movie ... and I'm not surprised, because this will be red meat to those who demonize the media. I also am interested in the movie because I was there in Atlanta, and I hope the film portrays everything accurately. In real life, it obviously was not the finest hour for either law enforcement or journalism.

I do hope that after watching Jewell, hoopaloop goes home and watches All the President's Men and Spotlight -- films that show how journalists have played significant roles in rooting out true evil in society. Thankfully, great journalists are still doing that to this day.

He wasn’t a SI employee until he was....And you are questioning how much of a journalist he is?  Lol.


That “cheapness” is because of media in this country have driven themselves out of being cared about.  They did it to themselves.

This line is interesting “at the end of the day, I want to be clear that my intentions as a journalist were pure — my ultimate drive is to simply provide for my family.”

He sure seems to think he is a journalist.

He has a degree in Journalism

He has been a journalist at a newspaper for 8 years.

He has been a journalist on the digital front for 5 years.

I’m pretty sure he is a journalist.

And I’ve made plenty of mistakes and will in the future.  But supposedly those entrusted with the public trust to give us correct information have a higher standard.  One can imagine those out there that purposefully get things wrong...a Newsweek reporter fired last week...doesn’t help the media’s already poor reputation.  Too many things wrong, too many slanted opinions or stories spiked to protect other other interests.

I’m happy he apologized.  Good for him. 

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
I'm quite certain that tweet was sent out in collaboration with Helton and/or his agent so USC had to backtrack and then not fire him.

One more year for Helton then Chris Pedersen comes on down to LA.

People who know Peterson have said multiple times he wants no part of Los Angeles (who can blame him)....don’t think that is going to happen.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
He wasn’t a SI employee until he was....And you are questioning how much of a journalist he is?  Lol.


That “cheapness” is because of media in this country have driven themselves out of being cared about.  They did it to themselves.

This line is interesting “at the end of the day, I want to be clear that my intentions as a journalist were pure — my ultimate drive is to simply provide for my family.”

He sure seems to think he is a journalist.

He has a degree in Journalism

He has been a journalist at a newspaper for 8 years.

He has been a journalist on the digital front for 5 years.

I’m pretty sure he is a journalist.

And I’ve made plenty of mistakes and will in the future.  But supposedly those entrusted with the public trust to give us correct information have a higher standard.  One can imagine those out there that purposefully get things wrong...a Newsweek reporter fired last week...doesn’t help the media’s already poor reputation.  Too many things wrong, too many slanted opinions or stories spiked to protect other other interests.

I’m happy he apologized.  Good for him.

Let's make a wager, hoopaloop, OK?

If you can show me where in my post I claimed he wasn't a journalist, I will donate $1,000 to your favorite charity. If you can't, you donate $1,000 to the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

Deal?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 06, 2019, 08:12:22 PM
I’m not a reporter who is supposed to do his job properly with vetting.  Remember the higher standard BS you held to certain occupations...no different here.

Even when you're wrong ...#cheeksneverwrong
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUDish on December 06, 2019, 10:30:04 PM
Fowler talking about how aggressive in life Wittingham is all the time, they’re down a score with 9 minutes left, 4th and 4 at Oregon 45, and he punts. Oregon TD next Drive.

Absolutely awful decision and hilarious.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2019, 07:17:36 AM
Lane Kiffin to Ole Miss is a good hire. He can coach. Turned down Arkansas, which has to be embarrassing for them.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 10:32:17 AM
The New Year's Six match up's that come out at 2pm on Sunday, might hold more drama in who gets those spots, than who will make the CFP. Final spot will be UGA, OU or Baylor.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 12:06:20 PM
The New Year's Six match up's that come out at 2pm on Sunday, might hold more drama in who gets those spots, than who will make the CFP. Final spot will be UGA, OU or Baylor.

I wonder how many high draft picks will sit out these exhibition games.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 01:21:41 PM
I wonder how many high draft picks will sit out these exhibition games.
I hate when some call it that.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Let's make a wager, hoopaloop, OK?

If you can show me where in my post I claimed he wasn't a journalist, I will donate $1,000 to your favorite charity. If you can't, you donate $1,000 to the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

Deal?

You said he wasn’t an employee of Sports Illustrated.  Now, what you, Lenny and others normally do if i had  made that mistake is call me a liar....I won’t call you a liar in this case, but I will definitely call you out on this.  You know, or should know, how journalism contract work is done now and how that work is represented under the header of the publisher.  Who has the responsibility, etc.

After your wrongfulness, I decided to also show he was a full blown journalist despite your drivel this guy as merely some local yokel.  No, you didn’t say he wasn’t a journalist, instead you tried to downplay his role as one, diminish his capabilities and that SI got what they got because of their cheapness of hiring a less than qualified real deal journalist...but please deny this if you wish.

Richard Jewel movie...nothing to do with red meat...it is a true story of the media and the govt Fuked up royally a man’s life.  Yup mistakes happen.  It’s funny when certain parts of society do it, we hold them to really high standards...I could pull out many quotes here from you, Pakuni, etc, that said exactly that....but should not the media be he,d to that same standard when they have the power to screw people?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
OK Cheeks. It’s nap time now.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
Let's make a wager, hoopaloop, OK?

If you can show me where in my post I claimed he wasn't a journalist, I will donate $1,000 to your favorite charity. If you can't, you donate $1,000 to the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

Deal?

Where did I say you said he wasn’t a journalist?  I asked if you are questioning how much of a journalist he was since you went out of your way to diminish him constantly, then proved to you every bit of why he is a bona fife journalist in case anyone didn’t think so based on your attempts to dilute how much of a journalist he is. 

So, what exactly is the deal?  I didn’t do what you claimed.  You incorrectly said he wasn’t an employee.  Etc.  LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 07, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
Richard Jewell and Clay Helton don't feel like comparable situations, but maybe that's just me.
Also, has nothing to do with college football.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2019, 05:54:48 PM
Richard Jewell and Clay Helton don't feel like comparable situations

Lol. Of course they aren’t.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
I hate when some call it that.

The “players are on a plantation” brigade cannot help themselves.  Using their definition, EVERY GAME IS AN EXHIBITION, so their inconsistency and hypocrisy on this is not surprising.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Richard Jewell and Clay Helton don't feel like comparable situations, but maybe that's just me.
Also, has nothing to do with college football.

Not the same, but in both cases idiocy, sloppiness, bias, rush to judgment can alter their lives.  Recruits don’t come, players don’t respect lame duck coach, etc...life altering.  Richard Jewel...life altering. 

The sloppiness and outright crap that comes out nowadays in the rush to publish, forget sources, anonymous sources, etc, can alter people’s lives.  They need to be held responsible.  Mistakes are one thing, outright negligence and malpractice are another.  Glad the Newsweak reporter was held accountable over Thanksgiving.  This happens way too much.  Some great websites out there documenting just how grotesquely bad it has become.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 07, 2019, 06:03:48 PM
You said he wasn’t an employee of Sports Illustrated.  Now, what you, Lenny and others normally do if i had  made that mistake is call me a liar....I won’t call you a liar in this case, but I will definitely call you out on this. 

1.I don't know why you constantly bring me into discussions I'm not part of...wait... yes I do. I inhabit a rather large room in a rather small house...er, brain.
2.You have a long history on Scoop of calling people a liar based on a mistake or even a difference of opinion. If it occasionally comes back to bite you, don't whine.
3.Don't want to be known as a liar on Scoop? Cut back on the lies.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Not the same, but in both cases idiocy, sloppiness, bias, rush to judgment can alter their lives.  Recruits don’t come, players don’t respect lame duck coach, etc...life altering.  Richard Jewel...life altering. 

The sloppiness and outright crap that comes out nowadays in the rush to publish, forget sources, anonymous sources, etc, can alter people’s lives.  They need to be held responsible.  Mistakes are one thing, outright negligence and malpractice are another.  Glad the Newsweak reporter was held accountable over Thanksgiving.  This happens way too much.  Some great websites out there documenting just how grotesquely bad it has become.

You really have no sense of history or perspective.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 06:36:29 PM
Good luck Ohio State...pulling for you.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 07:20:08 PM
You said he wasn’t an employee of Sports Illustrated.  Now, what you, Lenny and others normally do if i had  made that mistake is call me a liar....I won’t call you a liar in this case, but I will definitely call you out on this.  You know, or should know, how journalism contract work is done now and how that work is represented under the header of the publisher.  Who has the responsibility, etc.

After your wrongfulness, I decided to also show he was a full blown journalist despite your drivel this guy as merely some local yokel.  No, you didn’t say he wasn’t a journalist, instead you tried to downplay his role as one, diminish his capabilities and that SI got what they got because of their cheapness of hiring a less than qualified real deal journalist...but please deny this if you wish.

Richard Jewel movie...nothing to do with red meat...it is a true story of the media and the govt Fuked up royally a man’s life.  Yup mistakes happen.  It’s funny when certain parts of society do it, we hold them to really high standards...I could pull out many quotes here from you, Pakuni, etc, that said exactly that....but should not the media be he,d to that same standard when they have the power to screw people?

I specifically called him a reporter - a journalist. I didn't call him a yokel. That apparently is your word to describe "a local reporter," which was the exact term I used. And yet you lied -- suggesting repeatedly that I called him something else. But now, instead of taking my bet or at least admitting you were wrong, you double-down. Because that's you. You love to claim you admit your mistakes ... but you rarely do, even when they are obvious. So take my bet, hoopy!

I know exactly how contract journalism work is done, as I am a contract journalist. I write for two financial websites and also still do a little sportswriting. I absolutely am NOT an employee of any of those sites, just as "USC Maven" Adam Maya is NOT an employee of SI. I simply stated a fact. I didn't try to use that fact to excuse what happened at all; indeed, I did the opposite and said, "I'm not defending" the poor decisions that happened in the SI case.

As for Jewell (not Jewel -- at least spell the poor guy's name right), here is an article about the numerous inaccurate portrayals of the Atlanta newspaper's employees and reporting in the movie:

https://www.thewrap.com/atlanta-journal-constitution-editor-questions-accuracy-of-clint-eastwoods-richard-jewell-ahead-of-premiere/

Did you know that the AJC was first to report, accurately, that authorities were focusing on Jewell days after the bombing? Did you know that the paper was among the media outlets sued after Jewell was exonerated, and the only one that didn’t settle? Litigation naming the AJC was dismissed in 2011, when the Georgia Court of Appeals concluded “the articles in their entirety were substantially true at the time they were published.”

Obviously, several other media outlets -- especially TV outlets -- had many irresponsible reports. As I said, the media and law enforcement didn't cover themselves in glory here. Not sure why you give law enforcement a free pass in your earlier rant.

I do hold journalists to high standards and am critical, embarrassed or both when they fail to meet those standards.

You are an interwebs troll who has made lying, exaggerating and misrepresenting your calling card, so I don't hold you to the same high standards -- or any standards at all, really. But I will call you out when one of your lies is directly about me or something I care about.

I know you won't take the bet, hoopy, because I'm telling the truth and you're not. You'd lose ... and the last thing you would want to do is contribute to a charity ensuring freedom of the press. It must be sad to be so filled with hate, as is the case with you and the free press.

Now if you want to lie further about this, or discuss this with me at all, feel free to PM me. We've bored our fellow Scoopers enough.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
So ...

LSU, OSU, Clemson and Oklahoma, eh?

LSU is the team that has impressed me most, but I know lots of folks like Ohio State (and for good reason).
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2019, 10:34:28 PM
I’m on a flight with dodgy WIFI. Sucks that Wisconsin was up by 14 at half and probably went on cruise control and ran Taylor consistently en route to a comfy win. No way OSU could turn it around. Can they sneak in the playoff?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 10:47:33 PM

I think Becky gives OSU a run in Indy...not because Becky is somehow elite...they aren’t...but OSU is in, they know it, and 18 to 22 year old kids let their guard down.  They know they manhandled them the first time, they won’t be as focused. Still have OSU winning, but will be much closer in my opinion.


Money maker...

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2019, 10:47:55 PM
I’m on a flight with dodgy WIFI. Sucks that Wisconsin was up by 14 at half and probably went on cruise control and ran Taylor consistently en route to a comfy win. No way OSU could turn it around. Can they sneak in the playoff?

On United?  Badgers did what they do:  Choked up a hair ball and got blown out in the 2nd.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2019, 10:53:30 PM
On United?  Badgers did what they do:  Choked up a hair ball and got blown out in the 2nd.

Yea, back from BOM. I was making a joke, the WIFI has been fine. It was hilarious to follow without even needing to watch the game. My group text with two of my friends who are Wisconsin alums got AWFULLY quite post halftime
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 11:57:59 PM
I'm sick of Ohio State, but I have to admit I was enjoying Wisconsin tinkling down its collective leg.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8/15/20727271/too-many-bowl-games
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8/15/20727271/too-many-bowl-games

I don't whine about there being too many bowl games. I simply don't watch them. Aside from the 3 postseason games that help decide a champion, I will not watch one second of one bowl game this year -- just as I haven't for well over a decade.

As for athletes making their choices ...

Christian McCaffrey skipped Stanford's meaningless bowl game, was healthy on draft day, went 8th overall, and has gone on to be a well-paid superstar. His next contract will be a monster.

Jake Butt played in Michigan's meaningless bowl game, got hurt, and went from being a top-50 pick to not getting taken until Round 5, costing him millions of dollars. Butt reinjured his knee early in the 2018 season and has not yet been able to return. He was a "good team player" -- compared to McCaffrey, whom some considered selfish. Sadly, it's impossible to spend "good team player" compared to actual money.

I wouldn't call anybody who plays in a meaningless bowl game "stupid," just as I wouldn't say that about any player who decides to return to school for an extra year. Folks should do whatever they feel is right, knowing all the risks involved. But I certainly wouldn't call a player "selfish" for sitting out one of those exhibitions. It's exactly what I would have advised my son to do if there were tens of millions of dollars at stake.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2019, 12:02:08 PM
Peach Bowl
LSU -11 Oklahoma

Fiesta Bowl
Clemson -2 Ohio State
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 12:10:20 PM
On United?  Badgers did what they do:  Choked up a hair ball and got blown out in the 2nd.

I think it was more like OSU took it soft, weren't ready at the start....injured QB.  Wisconsin did the best they could, but are simply outclassed in that matchup.  Just don't send the Badgers out here to Pasadena please.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Peach Bowl
LSU -11 Oklahoma

Fiesta Bowl
Clemson -2 Ohio State

Interesting line for OSU
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on December 08, 2019, 02:32:49 PM
Interesting line for OSU

Yep - I'm going to be super interested in seeing what happens that over the next couple of weeks. 

My uneducated guess is that vegas likes Clemson a lot more than the general public, and isn't afraid of their soft schedule. So I think we see a bunch of square money coming in on OSU, maybe even moving this close to a pickem and then the sharps are going to move it back to Clemson by a field goal.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 08, 2019, 03:04:57 PM
Georgia OL coach Sam Pittman getting the Arkansas gig, reportedly. Coached there under Bielema,

Supposed to be a top-level recruiter, but not a name that's going to get them excited in Fayetteville , I imagine.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
Eli Drinkwitz is close to a deal with Mizzou to be head football coach. He coached with/under Gus Malzahn (Auburn) and Bryan Harsin (Boise St.) Also had success at NC St. as an assistant before his one year head coaching success at Appalachian St. He's 36.

Mizzou AD Jim Sterk's 4 previous candidates were not received warmly by both Mizzou's Board of Curators and fans. Those names were Blake Anderson (Arkansas St), Skip Holtz (Louisiana Tech), Jeff Monken (Army), Jay Norvell (Nevada)

Sterk didn"t hire Barry Odom. Odom a popular figure at Mizzou was a Mizzou lifer, player, coach etc .. was hired by previous AD Mack Rhoades after Rhoades whiffed on many of his initial targets. Rhoades left to be AD at Baylor.

Sterk wanted power 5 experience, head coaching experience, and an offensive minded head coach. Odom is a leading candidate to take over Memphis after Mike Norvell left for Florida St.

The current AD at Appalachian St.Doug Gillin, did two stints at Mizzou, including as  Deputy AD. And of course, Memphis Athletic Director Laird Veatch spent several years as an assistant athletic director at Mizzou.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 04:44:08 PM
Drinkwitz spent one year as head coach after Scott Satterfield spent five years building up that program before leaving for Louisville last year.  That's always a bit of a red flag for me. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Drinkwitz spent one year as head coach after Scott Satterfield spent five years building up that program before leaving for Louisville last year.  That's always a bit of a red flag for me.

True but he did well in his only season. 12-1 with wins over North Carolina and South Carolina.  Appalachian St. was good prior to Satterfield as well. The program was pretty good both before Satterfield arrived as an assistant and while he was an assistant there. It wasn't as if he built it out of nothing. They won a lot before him.

Mizzou idealistically prefers a Bryan Harsin  type (Boise St ) but Harsin type aren't interested.

When Mizzou was searching a few years back, it reached out to Matt Campbell, Matt Rhule, Tom Herman, etc....it was a more tumultuous time at Mizzou then and they couldn't land any of them. Prior to that their program as a double digit win team every 3 seasons on average with Gary Pinkel, who retired after being diagnosed with cancer

Drinkwitz has the offense, has worked with Malzahn, Harsin etc....Their fans would rather try that than those mentioned.

We'll see.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 08, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
Mizzou AD Jim Sterk's 4 previous candidates were not received warmly by both Mizzou's Board of Curators and fans. Those names were Blake Anderson (Arkansas St), Skip Holtz (Louisiana Tech), Jeff Monken (Army), Jay Norvell (Nevada)

I can’t blame them. That list is brutal. Anderson has been fine at a Sun Belt program, but not great, and just came off an incredibly hard year in his personal life.

Skip Holtz is mediocrity personified. Won more than 9 games only once in his career and flamed out mightily in his most high profile gig.

Monken is an incredible coach, but the SEC is not the place for a triple option guy.

I think Mizzou is due for a rocky patch for awhile, but Drinkwitz at least has an intriguing pedigree. His teams will score points, that’s for sure
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Drinkwitz had a very experienced Defensive Coordinator at Appalachian St St, Ted Roof. Roof was DC for Gus Malzahn for National Champion Auburn  He was with Georgia Tech twice, Minnesota, etc...lots of experience. And the running backs coach at Appalachian St is Garrett Riley, brother of Oklahoma HC Lincoln Riley.

It's  apparently a done deal now, Drinkwitz to Mizzou.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
Ted Roof may be experienced, but he hasn't been considered very good.  He was fired at Auburn a year after the national championship (under Chizik), pushed out at Penn State, and fired again at Georgia Tech.

I'm not saying it's not going to work, and I know its a tough place to coach, but I'll be surprised.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Ted Roof may be experienced, but he hasn't been considered very good.  He was fired at Auburn a year after the national championship (under Chizik), pushed out at Penn State, and fired again at Georgia Tech.

I'm not saying it's not going to work, and I know its a tough place to coach, but I'll be surprised.

I'm not saying that it will work. I am posting the things I know.

It's easy to say what won't work or that you'd be surprised if it did without providing alternatives  Who would you have hired instead?

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2019, 06:55:03 PM
I don't whine about there being too many bowl games. I simply don't watch them. Aside from the 3 postseason games that help decide a champion, I will not watch one second of one bowl game this year -- just as I haven't for well over a decade.

As for athletes making their choices ...

Christian McCaffrey skipped Stanford's meaningless bowl game, was healthy on draft day, went 8th overall, and has gone on to be a well-paid superstar. His next contract will be a monster.

Jake Butt played in Michigan's meaningless bowl game, got hurt, and went from being a top-50 pick to not getting taken until Round 5, costing him millions of dollars. Butt reinjured his knee early in the 2018 season and has not yet been able to return. He was a "good team player" -- compared to McCaffrey, whom some considered selfish. Sadly, it's impossible to spend "good team player" compared to actual money.

I wouldn't call anybody who plays in a meaningless bowl game "stupid," just as I wouldn't say that about any player who decides to return to school for an extra year. Folks should do whatever they feel is right, knowing all the risks involved. But I certainly wouldn't call a player "selfish" for sitting out one of those exhibitions. It's exactly what I would have advised my son to do if there were tens of millions of dollars at stake.

Where would you draw the line, Mike? Should a guy who's assured of being a #1 draft choice by, say game 4 (football) or game 10 (basketball) quit to protect his status? Can't these guys get insurance policies?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
I'm not saying that it will work. I am posting the things I know.

It's easy to say what won't work or that you'd be surprised if it did without providing alternatives  Who would you have hired instead?

I would have tried for Luke Fickell at Cincinnati.  He's a great recruiter who has developed into a solid coach.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 08, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
I would have tried for Luke Fickell at Cincinnati.  He's a great recruiter who has developed into a solid coach.

Worth a try, but Fickell has never worked outside Ohio. He may just wait at Cincy for the next good Big 10 opening (like one of the jobs in Michigan).
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 08, 2019, 07:08:56 PM
I would have tried for Luke Fickell at Cincinnati.  He's a great recruiter who has developed into a solid coach.

Fickell can probably be patient.  I think he might be the longest tenured coach in the AAC now, lol
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 07:10:39 PM
I just think good coaches are going to be good coaches wherever.  But he may just be waiting for Illinois, Michigan State or something similar. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
I would have tried for Luke Fickell at Cincinnati.  He's a great recruiter who has developed into a solid coach.

Fair enough, but, the challenge is that middle tier SEC or Power 5 programs are having trouble hiring coaches at that level. They are waiting winning, making good money where they are and want the cream of the crop of jobs. An AD with knowledge of the situation said Harsin wants minimum $5 million a year to leave Boise St. for example.

Ole Miss hired the Florida Atlantic Coach. Arkansas hired an Offensive Line Coach at Georgia. etc....

Back to Fickell, Sterk was determined to hire an offensive coach. Fickell was born and raised in Columbus Ohio, played there and spent 15 years as an assistant there. His next stop will likely be a higher profile position than Mizzou. Norvell left Memphis for Florida St. Perhaps Fickell would go to a USC type position in the future. Until then he can be content to wait and pick and choose as long as he has success st UC. The only way otherwise is if someone like Fickell has a personal friendship with someone like Sterk and even then it is reaching a little bit. If Fickell's success slips he will be less picky. If it continues, he will get even more choosy.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on December 08, 2019, 07:11:52 PM
I think it was more like OSU took it soft, weren't ready at the start....injured QB.  Wisconsin did the best they could, but are simply outclassed in that matchup.  Just don't send the Badgers out here to Pasadena please.

Who is going to tell him?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 07:13:57 PM
Fair enough, but, the challenge is that middle tier SEC or Power 5 programs are having trouble hiring coaches at that level. They are waiting winning, making good money where they are and want the cream of the crop of jobs. An AD with knowledge of the situation said Harsin wants minimum $5 million a year to leave Boise St. for example.

Ole Miss hired the Florida Atlantic Coach. Arkansas hired an Offensive Line Coach at Georgia. etc....

Back to Fickell, Sterk was determined to hire an offensive coach. Fickell was born and raised in Columbus Ohio, played there and spent 15 years as an assistant there. His next stop will likely be a higher profile position than Mizzou. Norvell left Memphis for Florida St. Perhaps Fickell would go to a USC type position in the future. Until then he can be content to wait and pick and choose as long as he has success.


Don't disagree with any of this.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2019, 07:28:41 PM

Don't disagree with any of this.

Clearly Sterk wanted Odom out more than having a slam dunk hire in his back pocket. This will decide and define his AD tenure at Mizzou. Rolling the dice.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on December 08, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
I think it was more like OSU took it soft, weren't ready at the start....injured QB.  Wisconsin did the best they could, but are simply outclassed in that matchup.  Just don't send the Badgers out here to Pasadena please.

Sorry you're unhappy.  They earned the trip more than PSU.  A good, but not great football team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Sorry you're unhappy.  They earned the trip more than PSU.  A good, but not great football team.

Yep.  Relatively similar overall schedules.  Six common opponents.  PSU went 4-2, UW went 5-2.  It came down to UW beating Minnesota.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: GrimmReaper33 on December 08, 2019, 08:19:11 PM
I prefer college football to the NFL, but the lack of parity in the game kind of sucks.  Since the 4 team playoffs have started there have only been 10 programs that have made it.

Just hard for schools to catch up to the bluebloods.  They're each just loaded with 5 stars year after year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
Yep.  Relatively similar overall schedules.  Six common opponents.  PSU went 4-2, UW went 5-2.  It came down to UW beating Minnesota.
Also, higher ranked.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 08, 2019, 09:14:34 PM
The infallible Chicos eye test says Penn State > Wisconsin and Clemson is overhyped.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 06:30:38 AM
Drinkwitz had a very experienced Defensive Coordinator at Appalachian St St, Ted Roof. Roof was DC for Gus Malzahn for National Champion Auburn  He was with Georgia Tech twice, Minnesota, etc...lots of experience. And the running backs coach at Appalachian St is Garrett Riley, brother of Oklahoma HC Lincoln Riley.

It's  apparently a done deal now, Drinkwitz to Mizzou.

I respect Drinkwitz for being honest about it when asked.

"We're very excited about what we're doing here at App State. But at the same time, with every opportunity, I owe it to my family to see if that's something we're interested in."

That beats the heck out of Lou Holtz saying he wouldn't leave Minnesota and then taking the ND job the next day or Gary Barnett saying "I bleed purple" and then bolting Northwestern for Colorado that same week.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 06:59:21 AM
Where would you draw the line, Mike? Should a guy who's assured of being a #1 draft choice by, say game 4 (football) or game 10 (basketball) quit to protect his status? Can't these guys get insurance policies?

Lenny:

Well, one of many Scoopers' favorite ways to revere Saint Al is to remind everybody how he practically pushed Jim Chones out the door only 3/4 of the way through Chones' second season at Marquette. Al told the player to worry about himself, not the team. Although many Scoopers lament Chones' departure as the event that kept the team from winning the national title, they use the situation as yet another way to voice their admiration for Al.

So was it OK for Chones to leave just weeks before the NCAA tournament so he could better himself financially? Or was Saint Al wrong?

If the Stanford coach had no problem with McCaffrey leaving would it have made it "right," and if the coach did have a problem would it have made it "wrong"?

Butt did have an insurance policy, and he cashed in on it. It still only paid him a fraction of what he would have made as a top-50 draft pick. And now that he is hurt, he might never see any of the $$$ he would have made. But that's OK. It was his choice to not skip the exhibition game, and I don't criticize him for it.

Top athletes have finite careers -- especially in the NFL, which chews them up and spits them out and says, "OK, next man up!" College football players aren't even allowed to leave for the NFL until they've been around for 3 years, meaning that Trevor Lawrence has to risk serious injury all next season -- just as Tua did this year.

So to answer your question ... I think it's an extreme example, one that very, very few players would even consider. But yes, if an athlete decided to leave at the point you name, I would support his right to protect his financial future. If Lawrence decides to sit out all next season, or to leave after 4 games, that wouldn't bother me in the least.

We had an athlete faced with that kind of decision just last March -- when Zion Williamson decided to risk injury to try to help Duke play for a national title. I think very few would have begrudged him if he had decided not to return, but he wanted to play. Many commentators said he was foolish to do so, but it was his choice.

Of course, the difference between Zion and McCaffrey is that one was playing for a national title and the other would have been playing in an exhibition football game. Were I a premier football player, it would be a no-brainer decision to skip a non-playoff bowl game. McCaffrey's dad played in the NFL for a decade, and he knew skipping that bowl game was the right thing to do.

Now, if one wants to say that a player leaving early to protect himself should have to forfeit/repay some or all of his scholarship, that's a discussion that might have merit. Still, I don't think many coaches would want to tell a recruit that was a possibility.

Al not only said it was OK for Chones to go; he told Chones to leave. I think Al was right. I think McCaffrey was right, too.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jsglow on December 09, 2019, 07:55:19 AM
Lenny:

Well, one of many Scoopers' favorite ways to revere Saint Al is to remind everybody how he practically pushed Jim Chones out the door only 3/4 of the way through Chones' second season at Marquette. Al told the player to worry about himself, not the team. Although many Scoopers lament Chones' departure as the event that kept the team from winning the national title, they use the situation as yet another way to voice their admiration for Al.

So was it OK for Chones to leave just weeks before the NCAA tournament so he could better himself financially? Or was Saint Al wrong?

If the Stanford coach had no problem with McCaffrey leaving would it have made it "right," and if the coach did have a problem would it have made it "wrong"?

Butt did have an insurance policy, and he cashed in on it. It still only paid him a fraction of what he would have made as a top-50 draft pick. And now that he is hurt, he might never see any of the $$$ he would have made. But that's OK. It was his choice to not skip the exhibition game, and I don't criticize him for it.

Top athletes have finite careers -- especially in the NFL, which chews them up and spits them out and says, "OK, next man up!" College football players aren't even allowed to leave for the NFL until they've been around for 3 years, meaning that Trevor Lawrence has to risk serious injury all next season -- just as Tua did this year.

So to answer your question ... I think it's an extreme example, one that very, very few players would even consider. But yes, if an athlete decided to leave at the point you name, I would support his right to protect his financial future. If Lawrence decides to sit out all next season, or to leave after 4 games, that wouldn't bother me in the least.

We had an athlete faced with that kind of decision just last March -- when Zion Williamson decided to risk injury to try to help Duke play for a national title. I think very few would have begrudged him if he had decided not to return, but he wanted to play. Many commentators said he was foolish to do so, but it was his choice.

Of course, the difference between Zion and McCaffrey is that one was playing for a national title and the other would have been playing in an exhibition football game. Were I a premier football player, it would be a no-brainer decision to skip a non-playoff bowl game. McCaffrey's dad played in the NFL for a decade, and he knew skipping that bowl game was the right thing to do.

Now, if one wants to say that a player leaving early to protect himself should have to forfeit/repay some or all of his scholarship, that's a discussion that might have merit. Still, I don't think many coaches would want to tell a recruit that was a possibility.

Al not only said it was OK for Chones to go; he told Chones to leave. I think Al was right. I think McCaffrey was right, too.

82, your comparison to the Chones situation is somewhat misleading and I'm surprised you don't already know it.  Today, athletes are opting out of bowl games etc to avoid the risk of injury.  That absolutely was not the case with Chones.  The vagaries associated with the timing of the ABA draft at the time and the fact that they were paying top dollar meant that Chones would have absolutely sacrificed significant upfront money had he stayed to complete the season, guaranteed.  I'm not going to go refresh my memory on the details but the situational difference is significant.   
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2019, 07:57:08 AM
Where would you draw the line, Mike? Should a guy who's assured of being a #1 draft choice by, say game 4 (football) or game 10 (basketball) quit to protect his status? Can't these guys get insurance policies?

It wouldn’t bother me in the least. The downside risk is too great.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 08:10:10 AM
82, your comparison to the Chones situation is somewhat misleading and I'm surprised you don't already know it.  Today, athletes are opting out of bowl games etc to avoid the risk of injury.  That absolutely was not the case with Chones.  The vagaries associated with the timing of the ABA draft at the time and the fact that they were paying top dollar meant that Chones would have absolutely sacrificed significant upfront money had he stayed to complete the season, guaranteed.  I'm not going to go refresh my memory on the details but the situational difference is significant.

I know there were differences in the situations.

In each case, however, the athlete left his team before his season was over to ensure his financial future, and I fully support each athlete's decision.

Chones left a team that had a realistic shot at its first-ever national title. McCaffrey (and others like him) are skipping exhibition football games.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 09, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
I know there were differences in the situations.

In each case, however, the athlete left his team before his season was over to ensure his financial future, and I fully support each athlete's decision.

Chones left a team that had a realistic shot at its first-ever national title. McCaffrey (and others like him) are skipping exhibition football games.
agree with you except for the fact that these are not exhibition games, which are warm ups to a season. These are complete money grabs.  But hey, the kids will get a bowl ring.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2019, 08:48:31 AM
agree with you except for the fact that these are not exhibition games, which are warm ups to a season. These are complete money grabs.  But hey, the kids will get a bowl ring.

They also get Bowl swag.  And the bowl committee people have a great gig.  It’s one of the greatest rackets in sports.  To be a Bowl chairperson!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 08:53:35 AM
agree with you except for the fact that these are not exhibition games, which are warm ups to a season. These are complete money grabs.  But hey, the kids will get a bowl ring.

Fair enough.

Money Grabs it is!

I have no problem with a kid opting to risk injury and play in one. And why should I? It's his life.

But I certainly understand why a big-time pro prospect wouldn't want to play in a Money Grab. And why should anybody else? It's his life.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2019, 09:18:41 AM
agree with you except for the fact that these are not exhibition games, which are warm ups to a season. These are complete money grabs.  But hey, the kids will get a bowl ring.

All of major college football is a money grab.
I still watch.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2019, 09:53:06 AM
The infallible Chicos eye test says Penn State > Wisconsin and Clemson is overhyped.


To be fair, he very well could be right.  I would guess that if Penn State played UW at a neutral site, PSU would likely win.  But that's not how this works. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 09, 2019, 10:29:04 AM
All of major college football is a money grab.
I still watch.
not 100%. Some of it is to win championships
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 09, 2019, 03:03:24 PM
I respect Drinkwitz for being honest about it when asked.

"We're very excited about what we're doing here at App State. But at the same time, with every opportunity, I owe it to my family to see if that's something we're interested in."

That beats the heck out of Lou Holtz saying he wouldn't leave Minnesota and then taking the ND job the next day or Gary Barnett saying "I bleed purple" and then bolting Northwestern for Colorado that same week.

The brother of one of my best friends was Holtz's first recruit to Minnesota. Holtz stood up in the locker room and told the entire team the ND talk was untrue, he would never leave  Minnesota. The next day he was in South Bend being introduced as coach. The brother held a grudge against Holtz until the day he died. A true weasel if there ever was one (not name Buzz Williams, or course).
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 05:29:25 PM
The infallible Chicos eye test says Penn State > Wisconsin and Clemson is overhyped.

If I was Lenny or MU82 I would call you a liar.  But I am not them.

Tell us again what I said in totality about Clemson...please.

As for Penn State...they went to OSU and lost by 11.  Becky went to OSU and got destroyed.  Becky tried again on a neutral field and lost by 13.

Good day.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 09, 2019, 05:45:24 PM
If I was Lenny or MU82 I would call you a liar.  But I am not them.

Tell us again what I said in totality about Clemson...please.

As for Penn State...they went to OSU and lost by 11.  Becky went to OSU and got destroyed.  Becky tried again on a neutral field and lost by 13.

Good day.

Oh, you didn't say Clemson was overhyped?  Hmm.

How'd Penn State do against Minnesota?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 09, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
Back to Fickell, Sterk was determined to hire an offensive coach. Fickell was born and raised in Columbus Ohio, played there and spent 15 years as an assistant there. His next stop will likely be a higher profile position than Mizzou. Norvell left Memphis for Florida St. Perhaps Fickell would go to a USC type position in the future. Until then he can be content to wait and pick and choose as long as he has success st UC. The only way otherwise is if someone like Fickell has a personal friendship with someone like Sterk and even then it is reaching a little bit. If Fickell's success slips he will be less picky. If it continues, he will get even more choosy.

FWIW, Mrs Fickell is also a Mrs Shaka situation. Not so much from a professional standpoint, but opinionated and influential all the same. Fickell supposedly got sniffs for years before taking the UC job, but his wife was a Columbus/OSU lifer and loved the prestige and big fish in a little pond socially of Columbus and apparently thought if they just stuck it out, he’d eventually be given OSU. Cincinnati was a concession. So he can be picky due to his pedigree and success, but will also likely be picky for that reason.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
If I was Lenny or MU82 I would call you a liar
I wouldn't call wades  a liar because, unlike you, he us not a pathological liar.

So you're a liar for suggesting it!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
The brother of one of my best friends was Holtz's first recruit to Minnesota. Holtz stood up in the locker room and told the entire team the ND talk was untrue, he would never leave  Minnesota. The next day he was in South Bend being introduced as coach. The brother held a grudge against Holtz until the day he died. A true weasel if there ever was one (not name Buzz Williams, or course).

I'm sure this kind of thing happens quite frequently, but I was there when Holtz did it, and I was there when Barnett did it. Liars and weasels.

So many coaches yammer on and on about honesty, loyalty and team. But then when it's their turn ... lies, disloyalty and me-first. Hypocrites.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 09:21:50 PM
Oh, you didn't say Clemson was overhyped?  Hmm.

How'd Penn State do against Minnesota?

Hmm, what else did I say in that same paragraph about Clemson...and you accuse others of cherry picking.

How’s Wisconsin do against Illinoiis...isn’t it magical they stepped on their dick for a CFP berth by losing to Illinois.  LOL.  Illinois. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2019, 08:06:21 AM
RIP Hayden Fry.  As important to Iowa football as Al was to Marquette basketball.  Took at team that hadn't won in a couple decades and turned them into Big Ten Champions, breaking a 13 year stranglehold on the conference title by either Michigan or Ohio State.

Oh and he desegregated the SWC while at Baylor.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 18, 2019, 08:35:15 AM
RIP Hayden Fry.  As important to Iowa football as Al was to Marquette basketball.  Took at team that hadn't won in a couple decades and turned them into Big Ten Champions, breaking a 13 year stranglehold on the conference title by either Michigan or Ohio State.

Oh and he desegregated the SWC while at Baylor.

Actually he was never a head coach at Baylor.  He helped to desegregate the SWC while head coach at SMU by signing a black QB who led SMU to the conference title.  Jerry LeVias was the player.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2019, 08:42:00 AM
Actually he was never a head coach at Baylor.  He helped to desegregate the SWC while head coach at SMU by signing a black QB who led SMU to the conference title.  Jerry LeVias was the player.


Yes!  You are correct.  Played at Baylor - coached at SMU.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: dinger on December 18, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
RIP Hayden Fry.  As important to Iowa football as Al was to Marquette basketball.  Took at team that hadn't won in a couple decades and turned them into Big Ten Champions, breaking a 13 year stranglehold on the conference title by either Michigan or Ohio State.

Oh and he desegregated the SWC while at Baylor.

Some coaches are great, but only a few great coaches have that unique character that makes them larger than life. Hayden, like Al, had that. Always able to make people around them better. Had an incredible eye for playing and coaching talent. Always responding with amazing sayings and quotes. We're lucky to share our time on earth with them.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 18, 2019, 11:22:11 AM
When you think of Iowa football, I'm not sure how you can't think of Hayden Fry.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
When you think of Iowa football, I'm not sure how you can't think of Hayden Fry.


He also commissioned the iconic logo for Iowa athletics as part of the rebranding of the program.  That was considered so effective in changing the image of Iowa football, that two of his coaching proteges, Bill Snyder at Kansas State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin, did the same thing when they took over their programs.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 18, 2019, 11:49:54 AM

He also commissioned the iconic logo for Iowa athletics as part of the rebranding of the program.  That was considered so effective in changing the image of Iowa football, that two of his coaching proteges, Bill Snyder at Kansas State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin, did the same thing when they took over their programs.

His coaching tree is INCREDIBLE.  Not all high level assistants, but a lot of former players turned GAs and low assistants before blossoming.  Alvarez, Bill Snyder, all 3 Stoops brothers, Bo Pelini, Jim Leavitt, and obviously Kirk Ferentz.

Also crazy that at a big program in a power conference like Iowa, and in the modern era of impatience and immediate results, they have had 2 HC in 40 years.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: CTWarrior on December 18, 2019, 12:52:39 PM
I don't whine about there being too many bowl games. I simply don't watch them. Aside from the 3 postseason games that help decide a champion, I will not watch one second of one bowl game this year -- just as I haven't for well over a decade.

As for athletes making their choices ...

Christian McCaffrey skipped Stanford's meaningless bowl game, was healthy on draft day, went 8th overall, and has gone on to be a well-paid superstar. His next contract will be a monster.

Jake Butt played in Michigan's meaningless bowl game, got hurt, and went from being a top-50 pick to not getting taken until Round 5, costing him millions of dollars. Butt reinjured his knee early in the 2018 season and has not yet been able to return. He was a "good team player" -- compared to McCaffrey, whom some considered selfish. Sadly, it's impossible to spend "good team player" compared to actual money.

I wouldn't call anybody who plays in a meaningless bowl game "stupid," just as I wouldn't say that about any player who decides to return to school for an extra year. Folks should do whatever they feel is right, knowing all the risks involved. But I certainly wouldn't call a player "selfish" for sitting out one of those exhibitions. It's exactly what I would have advised my son to do if there were tens of millions of dollars at stake.
I get what you are saying, but once a college team loses it's second (or maybe its third) game, aren't all the games then "meaningless"?  Does a bowl game have less meaning than a Wake Forest - Boston College game in November?  I wouldn't judge a guy one way or another for his decision (well, if I were being honest I'd think less of the player who chose not to play), but why bowl games vs regular season games?  What exactly are you agreeing to when you accept the scholarship?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
I get what you are saying, but once a college team loses it's second (or maybe its third) game, aren't all the games then "meaningless"?  Does a bowl game have less meaning than a Wake Forest - Boston College game in November?  I wouldn't judge a guy one way or another for his decision (well, if I were being honest I'd think less of the player who chose not to play), but why bowl games vs regular season games?  What exactly are you agreeing to when you accept the scholarship?


It wouldn't bother me if a random BC player who was planning to go pro decided to shut down in October.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2019, 01:44:20 PM
His coaching tree is INCREDIBLE.  Not all high level assistants, but a lot of former players turned GAs and low assistants before blossoming.  Alvarez, Bill Snyder, all 3 Stoops brothers, Bo Pelini, Jim Leavitt, and obviously Kirk Ferentz.

Also crazy that at a big program in a power conference like Iowa, and in the modern era of impatience and immediate results, they have had 2 HC in 40 years.

Never won a Rose Bowl at Iowa but the ‘86 game is a great game for conspiracy theorists.  Also of note, last Rose Bowl UCLA won
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2019, 02:15:22 PM

Yes!  You are correct.  Played at Baylor - coached at SMU.

After that he coached at what is now North Texas (and he created that logo too).  They were pushing to get into SWC but were denied and they kept being rejected for bowl games (when they meant something) and that's what led Fry to Iowa. I saw an interview with him when he was inducted into their HOF.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2019, 02:17:24 PM

It wouldn't bother me if a random BC player who was planning to go pro decided to shut down in October.

it's what the younger Bosa did and it worked out for him.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
I get what you are saying, but once a college team loses it's second (or maybe its third) game, aren't all the games then "meaningless"?  Does a bowl game have less meaning than a Wake Forest - Boston College game in November?  I wouldn't judge a guy one way or another for his decision (well, if I were being honest I'd think less of the player who chose not to play), but why bowl games vs regular season games?  What exactly are you agreeing to when you accept the scholarship?

And I get what you are saying, CTW, but it's so unlikely to happen right now that I haven't given that kind of unrealistic speculation a lot of thought.

I only have a moment now before I have to head out, so I'll say that the difference is that a team can still win its conference title after a 1-2 start in non-con, and that means something.

Maybe if we see even one player (let alone multiple players) actually shut it down after Week 2 or 3, I'll give it more thought and come up with more.

But again, it only makes sense that a sure-fire pro-to-be skip a non-playoff bowl game rather than risk tens of millions of dollars. And if a team wants to claw back its scholarship over that, fine ... but good luck recruiting the next stud.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 18, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
His coaching tree is INCREDIBLE.  Not all high level assistants, but a lot of former players turned GAs and low assistants before blossoming.  Alvarez, Bill Snyder, all 3 Stoops brothers, Bo Pelini, Jim Leavitt, and obviously Kirk Ferentz.

Also crazy that at a big program in a power conference like Iowa, and in the modern era of impatience and immediate results, they have had 2 HC in 40 years.

Iowa knows, and MU should know, stuck with coaches through thick and thin.  Have to have patience because if you start playing around here at those types of schools, you can quickly find yourself in a tough spot.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: CTWarrior on December 19, 2019, 07:05:59 AM
And I get what you are saying, CTW, but it's so unlikely to happen right now that I haven't given that kind of unrealistic speculation a lot of thought.
I'm not speculating that a player would do this, but rather making the point that I think a bowl game is not an exhibition or meaningless game any more than the last several games of the regular season are for most teams, so why single it out as the game to miss?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 19, 2019, 07:16:26 AM
I'm not speculating that a player would do this, but rather making the point that I think a bowl game is not an exhibition or meaningless game any more than the last several games of the regular season are for most teams, so why single it out as the game to miss?

It is after the semester is over. Skipping it allows you to be home for the Holidays. For most P5 schools there is nearly a month in between games so it seems like a natural break.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2019, 07:22:44 AM
I'm not speculating that a player would do this, but rather making the point that I think a bowl game is not an exhibition or meaningless game any more than the last several games of the regular season are for most teams, so why single it out as the game to miss?

The season ends in either late-Nov or early-Dec, depending upon whether a team plays in its conference championship. There are then 3-4 weeks of practice for one game that determines nothing -- not who wins a conference title, not who can finish in the upper half of conference standings, nothing. It's not even as legit as being a "spoiler" in the conference race.

You are a potential top-50 pick for a 6-6 team that is to play another 6-6 team in the Chick-fil-A Weed Eater Holiday Bowl. You are supposed to spend a month risking injury to participate in that game because of a "contract" you agreed to 3-4 years earlier?

But it's OK for the coach of one of those 6-6 teams to abandon his program in mid-December because a "better" program just offered him a big contract -- something that has already happened at several bowl-bound schools and happens every year? I doubt anybody begrudges the App State coach's right to take the Mizzou job, leaving his team just weeks before its bowl game. But I'll bet some of the same folks who give thumbs-up to the coach's right to improve his lot in life think an athlete who skips a bowl game to protect his financial future is somehow being disloyal. Weird.

Look, as in most cases, I support whatever the athlete decides to do. If you want to risk injury to play in the bowl game, you absolutely should do it. And if you don't want to risk injury -- and tens of millions of dollars -- to play in a game that decides nothing but pride, I applaud what I consider a common-sense decision.

Not sure why anybody would think otherwise, really.

As a Panthers fan, I am thrilled, thrilled, thrilled that Christian McCaffrey skipped Stanford's bowl game, stayed healthy, trained like a demon and convinced the Panthers to draft him. As a human being, I feel bad for Michigan's Jake Butt, who decided to play in a bowl game, got hurt, and might never have the pro career everybody felt he would.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 19, 2019, 10:03:52 AM
Iowa knows, and MU should know, stuck with coaches through thick and thin.  Have to have patience because if you start playing around here at those types of schools, you can quickly find yourself in a tough spot.

Also, Iowa knows its place on the college football landscape and is content with it.
Unlike at places like Alabama, FSU, Texas, etc., Iowa fans have no expectations of being a regular national title contender and hence are happy with being consistently good, but rarely great.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 19, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
It is after the semester is over. Skipping it allows you to be home for the Holidays. For most P5 schools there is nearly a month in between games so it seems like a natural break.

Yep.  And the mentality factors in even if its not a potential top 20 pick.  When I was at Miami, bowl or not, most players with NFL prospects "dropped out" the minute first semester ended.  They took spring semester to completely focus on workouts, prep, and the draft process.  Most were close enough to walk and finished a few courses in the summer, but the point remains. 

My best friend in college was a DB and he flat out said the only reason most of the team cared about the bowl was if it was a cool warm destination and the swag bag.  Nobody was psyched to win an Independence Bowl.  Especially at the expense of the holidays.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2019, 10:57:48 AM
And BTW ... I hope both McCaffrey and Kuechly find reasons to skip the Pro Bowl, too.

Talk about a dumb exhibition game ... even worse than a bowl game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2019, 11:04:23 AM
Yep.  And the mentality factors in even if its not a potential top 20 pick.  When I was at Miami, bowl or not, most players with NFL prospects "dropped out" the minute first semester ended.  They took spring semester to completely focus on workouts, prep, and the draft process.  Most were close enough to walk and finished a few courses in the summer, but the point remains. 

My best friend in college was a DB and he flat out said the only reason most of the team cared about the bowl was if it was a cool warm destination and the swag bag.  Nobody was psyched to win an Independence Bowl.  Especially at the expense of the holidays.

you're telling me a junior or senior who is a guaranteed draft pick wouldn't be enthusiastic about playing in a December bowl game in Detroit, NYC, Annapolis or Boise?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 19, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
And BTW ... I hope both McCaffrey and Kuechly find reasons to skip the Pro Bowl, too.

Talk about a dumb exhibition game ... even worse than a bowl game.

Difference is playing in the Pro Bowl is worth a minimum $39K (and $67K if your team wins).
Decent reward for a free trip and half-a--ing your way through a football game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 19, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
And BTW ... I hope both McCaffrey and Kuechly find reasons to skip the Pro Bowl, too.

Talk about a dumb exhibition game ... even worse than a bowl game.

All games are exhibition games as amateurs...ban them all...the entire seasons.  This must not stand
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2019, 12:50:33 PM
Difference is playing in the Pro Bowl is worth a minimum $39K (and $67K if your team wins).
Decent reward for a free trip and half-a--ing your way through a football game.

Unfortunately, half-arsing can lead to injury, just as "whole-arsing" can. I'm gonna date myself here, but I remember when the best safety in the NFL at the time, the Dolphins' Dick Anderson, blew out his knee in the Pro Bowl. (I was a big Dolphins fan back then.) He was never the same again.

This article mentions that injury, and talks in general about the Pro Bowl. It's a half-arse game, but you can't play a football game without some violence. And violence leads to injury: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/fl-xpm-2010-01-26-fl-hyde-pro-bowl-0127-20100126-story.html

All games are exhibition games as amateurs...ban them all...the entire seasons.  This must not stand

Dribble. I doubt you even know what you're blathering about there.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 19, 2019, 01:23:05 PM


Dribble. I doubt you even know what you're blathering about there.

Exhibition games = no comp for college players.

Regular season games = no comp for college players.


Thus, all games the same conditions of payment exist.  A player can be hurt in a bowl game or in a game against St Mary’s of the poor or Alabama....all exist.

We should just not have them play in any games.  Right?  To use the logic here, why should MU players play against Grambling if some here say they shouldn’t play in a NIT game?  Why should a football player play in a preseason game any more?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
Exhibition games = no comp for college players.

Regular season games = no comp for college players.


Thus, all games the same conditions of payment exist.  A player can be hurt in a bowl game or in a game against St Mary’s of the poor or Alabama....all exist.

We should just not have them play in any games.  Right?  To use the logic here, why should MU players play against Grambling if some here say they shouldn’t play in a NIT game?  Why should a football player play in a preseason game any more?

More dribble.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2019, 09:30:30 PM
Friday, December, 20th
Bahamas Bowl  : Buffalo vs. Charlotte   1:00 pm   ESPN

Frisco Bowl  : Kent State vs. Utah State   6:30 pm   ESPN2

Saturday, December, 21st
New Mexico Bowl  : Central Michigan vs. San Diego State   1:00 pm   ESPN

Cure Bowl: Georgia Southern vs. Liberty   1:30 pm   CBSSN

Boca Bowl  : Florida Atlantic vs. SMU   2:30 pm   ABC

Camellia Bowl  : Arkansas State vs. Florida International   4:30 pm   ESPN

Las Vegas Bowl  : Boise State vs. Washington   6:30 pm   ABC

New Orleans Bowl  : Appalachian State vs. UAB   8:00 pm   ESPN

Monday, December, 23rd
Gasparilla Bowl  : Marshall vs. UCF   1:30 pm   ESPN

Tuesday, December, 24th
Hawaii Bowl  : BYU vs. Hawaii   7:00 pm   ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Unfortunately, half-arsing can lead to injury, just as "whole-arsing" can. I'm gonna date myself here, but I remember when the best safety in the NFL at the time, the Dolphins' Dick Anderson, blew out his knee in the Pro Bowl. (I was a big Dolphins fan back then.) He was never the same again.

This article mentions that injury, and talks in general about the Pro Bowl. It's a half-arse game, but you can't play a football game without some violence. And violence leads to injury: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/fl-xpm-2010-01-26-fl-hyde-pro-bowl-0127-20100126-story.html

Dribble. I doubt you even know what you're blathering about there.

don't forget Robert Edwards who ripped up his knee and ended his NFL career at the Pro Bowl flag football game on the beach. He almost had his lower leg amputated from it. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 20, 2019, 08:32:32 AM
Unfortunately, half-arsing can lead to injury, just as "whole-arsing" can.

I'm not arguing for or against the Pro Bowl (it's dumb and useless, IM0), just pointing out that there is financial incentive for participating, unlike in college bowl games.
The fact that Dick Anderson (early 70s) and Robert Edwards (1999) are the only notable pro bowl injuries you guys can offer in the nearly 70 years of the event- and Edwards wasn't even in the game itself - illustrates exactly how infinitesimal the risk of serious injury is.
I have no issue with any player who decided to skip the Pro Bowl to avoid that risk, but let's not pretend the Pro Bowl is as dangerous as a real NFL game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 20, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
don't forget Robert Edwards who ripped up his knee and ended his NFL career at the Pro Bowl flag football game on the beach. He almost had his lower leg amputated from it.

We were the sponsor of that game.  It was a terrible, freak injury.  From that point forward the beach game was only for retired players mixed with celebs and coed....done the day before the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
I'm not arguing for or against the Pro Bowl (it's dumb and useless, IM0), just pointing out that there is financial incentive for participating, unlike in college bowl games.
The fact that Dick Anderson (early 70s) and Robert Edwards (1999) are the only notable pro bowl injuries you guys can offer in the nearly 70 years of the event- and Edwards wasn't even in the game itself - illustrates exactly how infinitesimal the risk of serious injury is.
I have no issue with any player who decided to skip the Pro Bowl to avoid that risk, but let's not pretend the Pro Bowl is as dangerous as a real NFL game.

Fair enough. And they all know it going in. All they have to do is say their back or toe or wrist hurts and they won't have to play. It used to be a bigger deal to get invited when it was in Hawaii.

And your financial incentive point is well-stated. For college kids it's a financial disincentive!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 20, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
More dribble.

Except you know logically it is correct.  Why are MU BBall players playing against Grambling in December but some of our fans here saying not worth risk to play against Canisius in the NIT? 

Only difference is the time of year it is played.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2019, 07:26:24 PM
Accept you know logically it is correct.  Why are MU BBall players playing against Grambling in December but some of our fans here saying not worth risk to play against Canisius in the NIT? 

Only difference is the time of year it is played.

It's a silly hypothetical, but sure I'll play along because it's just so much fun dealing with an irritant who will argue for the sake of arguing about any subject.

If a Marquette player is a pro prospect, and he decides to not play against Canisius -- or any other team -- in the NIT, I, for one, will not think lesser of him at all.

Why should that same pro prospect play in regular-season games against Grambling or any other opponent? Because he needs to show NBA scouts what he can do. But if he already had demonstrated enough to clinch his financial well-being ... well, let's just say I have no problem with James Wiseman pulling the plug on his college experience. And had Zion decided not to return last season, even with an NCAA title on the line, I would have applauded his decision.

Athletes have very finite careers. They are not earning a dime for playing college sports. They need to protect their main asset -- their athletic ability.

Of course, basketball isn't football, where there is a violent collision just about every play, but I still wouldn't think any lesser of any basketball player who puts his tens of millions -- or hundreds of millions -- of dollars in front of the college basketball experience.

Indeed, isn't that what every college athlete who goes pro before he graduates doing? Didn't Henry Ellenson put his financial concerns ahead of Marquette basketball by choosing to leave before his 4 years were up? Was what he did "better" than what Wiseman did or what McCaffrey did because Ellenson played all the way to the end of the season? That's a matter of opinion. Ed McCaffrey, Christian's dad, would say no.

Would the Marquette player who decides not to go against Grambling be "worse" than the App State football coach who decides to bolt for Mizzou before his team's bowl game? Do you have problems, in general, with coaches who bolt before their bowl games? If not, why not?

Now, a better question is: Why does hoopaloop love being an irritant, arguing for the sake of arguing about practically every subject?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 20, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
It's a silly hypothetical, but sure I'll play along because it's just so much fun dealing with an irritant who will argue for the sake of arguing about any subject.

If a Marquette player is a pro prospect, and he decides to not play against Canisius -- or any other team -- in the NIT, I, for one, will not think lesser of him at all.

Why should that same pro prospect play in regular-season games against Grambling or any other opponent? Because he needs to show NBA scouts what he can do. But if he already had demonstrated enough to clinch his financial well-being ... well, let's just say I have no problem with James Wiseman pulling the plug on his college experience. And had Zion decided not to return last season, even with an NCAA title on the line, I would have applauded his decision.

Athletes have very finite careers. They are not earning a dime for playing college sports. They need to protect their main asset -- their athletic ability.



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Yup, they need to protect those finite careers with the time they have....they should be load managing themselves apparently.  I'm just pointing out the illogical consistency of your claim.  I prefer they play in every game, but if you start picking and choosing which games to play in then you might as well not play in any of the games that are against lowly opponents.  You think a NBA scout is going to care more about what they did against Grambling than what they did against Villanova?  Of course not, so that argument of yours is ridiculous. 

Don't want to play in a bowl game...fine...then you shouldn't be playing against cupcakes in the beginning of the year either.  Guess what the real difference is...POWER.  At the beginning of the year the coach can sit your arse down if you don't want to play.  At the end of the season they cannot.  That's the difference.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2019, 09:10:09 PM
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Yup, they need to protect those finite careers with the time they have....they should be load managing themselves apparently.  I'm just pointing out the illogical consistency of your claim.  I prefer they play in every game, but if you start picking and choosing which games to play in then you might as well not play in any of the games that are against lowly opponents.  You think a NBA scout is going to care more about what they did against Grambling than what they did against Villanova?  Of course not, so that argument of yours is ridiculous. 

Don't want to play in a bowl game...fine...then you shouldn't be playing against cupcakes in the beginning of the year either.  Guess what the real difference is...POWER.  At the beginning of the year the coach can sit your arse down if you don't want to play.  At the end of the season they cannot.  That's the difference.

Dribble.

Also, recommend you seek help for your Erin Andrews obsession. And Erin probably should seek a restraining order against you.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 26, 2019, 06:30:16 PM
Friday, December, 27th
Military Bowl  : North Carolina vs. Temple   11:00 am   ESPN

Pinstripe Bowl  : Michigan State vs. Wake Forest   2:20 pm   ESPN

Texas Bowl  : Oklahoma State vs. Texas A&M   5:45 pm   ESPN

Holiday Bowl: Iowa vs. USC   7:00 pm   FS1

Cheez-it Bowl  : Air Force vs. Washington State   9:15 p ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 28, 2019, 07:39:27 AM
Saturday, December, 28th
Camping World Bowl  : Iowa State vs. Notre Dame   11:00 am   ABC

Cotton Bowl  : Memphis vs. Penn State   11:00 am   ESPN

CFP Semifinal - Peach Bowl  : LSU vs. Oklahoma   3:00 pm   ESPN

CFP Semifinal - Fiesta Bowl  : Clemson vs. Ohio State   7:00 pm   ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 08:56:37 AM
Saturday, December, 28th
Camping World Bowl  : Iowa State vs. Notre Dame   11:00 am   ABC

Cotton Bowl  : Memphis vs. Penn State   11:00 am   ESPN

CFP Semifinal - Peach Bowl  : LSU vs. Oklahoma   3:00 pm   ESPN

CFP Semifinal - Fiesta Bowl  : Clemson vs. Ohio State   7:00 pm   ESPN

Finally, two bowl games I'll spend a few minutes watching!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 28, 2019, 09:33:10 AM
Finally, two bowl games I'll spend a few minutes watching!
Thanks for keep on pointing out what you watch.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 09:56:43 AM
Thanks for keep on pointing out what you watch.

Yeah, sorry. Just happy to have a couple games worth watching. I won't bother y'all again.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Yeah, sorry. Just happy to have a couple games worth watching. I won't bother y'all again.

Bowl games are great for gamblers.  Mostly to chase the dragon
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 28, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
Finally, two bowl games I'll spend a few minutes watching!
Hopefully, your minutes have stopped. What a performance by LSU. Oklahoma players still talking trash after nearly every play too....
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Hopefully, your minutes have stopped. What a performance by LSU. Oklahoma players still talking trash after nearly every play too....

Yeah, I'm at the point where I'm in another room, and I walk in to watch the replay every time I hear, "Touchdown, LSU!"

I was glad Bama didn't make the playoffs, but they wouldn't have gone out like this, methinks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on December 28, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
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Yup, they need to protect those finite careers with the time they have....they should be load managing themselves apparently.  I'm just pointing out the illogical consistency of your claim.  I prefer they play in every game, but if you start picking and choosing which games to play in then you might as well not play in any of the games that are against lowly opponents.  You think a NBA scout is going to care more about what they did against Grambling than what they did against Villanova?  Of course not, so that argument of yours is ridiculous. 

then you shouldn't be playing against cupcakes in the beginning of the year either.

So, assuming Koby is healthy enough to play on Wednesday, was he wise to sit out today?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 28, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
Yeah, I'm at the point where I'm in another room, and I walk in to watch the replay every time I hear, "Touchdown, LSU!"

I was glad Bama didn't make the playoffs, but they wouldn't have gone out like this, methinks.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=401032087
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 05:31:29 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=401032087

True ... but this score is worse and it's just halftime!

LSU actually was kicking Bama's arse in the regular-season meeting but Bama came back to almost steal the game.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUEng92 on December 28, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
Wow, I don't ever remember a team getting blown out this bad in the 1st half of a Final Four game.  Ever.  Nope, I don't have any recollection.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 05:36:28 PM
So, assuming Koby is healthy enough to play on Wednesday, was he wise to sit out today?

Koby who?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
Bowl games are great for gamblers.  Mostly to chase the dragon

Heard a theory the other day that if you bet every under dog in bowl games you will come out ahead sizably ahead.  No idea if true, haven’t validated it....was regurgitated on one of the betting shows.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
Wow, I don't ever remember a team getting blown out this bad in the 1st half of a Final Four game.  Ever.  Nope, I don't have any recollection.

Because Oklahoma doesn’t belong here....would Alabama be losing this badly to LSU?  Not a chance.


Oregon whooped up on FSU a few years ago, but cannot remember halftime score.  MSU and OSU also got blown out a few years ago, both shut out....but games were closer at half if I recall.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUEng92 on December 28, 2019, 05:47:28 PM
You see, I was trying to jokingly reference a certain Final Four game from a different sport that posters on an MU basketball site may have some connection to. 

I honestly couldn't care less who wins college football games as long as they don't play 75 miles west of me
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 05:49:21 PM
You see, I was trying to jokingly reference a certain Final Four game from a different sport that posters on an MU basketball site may have some connection to. 

I honestly couldn't care less who wins college football games as long as they don't play 75 miles west of me

Anyone who didn’t get that doesn’t deserve to have it explained to them. It was pretty clear...
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
Because Oklahoma doesn’t belong here....would Alabama be losing this badly to LSU?  Not a chance.


Oregon whooped up on FSU a few years ago, but cannot remember halftime score.  MSU and OSU also got blown out a few years ago, both shut out....but games were closer at half if I recall.

A 2 loss, Tua-less, 2nd place in the division team was more deserving than the B12 Champion? Lol.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 05:55:00 PM
A 2 loss, Tua-less, 2nd place in the division team was more deserving than the B12 Champion? Lol.

LOL indeed.  Tell me, would Bama play better against LSU or Oklahoma?  I didn’t realize the Big 12 champion was better automatically than a SEC team who barely lost two games.

I remember a bunch of idiots saying that years ago...that 2 loss team was LSU and they won the national title.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 06:03:05 PM
LOL indeed.  Tell me, would Bama play better against LSU or Oklahoma?  I didn’t realize the Big 12 champion was better automatically than a SEC team who barely lost two games.

I remember a bunch of idiots saying that years ago...that 2 loss team was LSU and they won the national title.

So you would do things based on how things went in the bowl games? The games that haven’t been played yet? Given that you make your predictions for games after the games actually happen, that makes sense. Unfortunately they have to make these decisions before the games are actually played. There was literally no debate about who was getting into the CFP this year. None whatsoever.

And good comp. 2 loss LSU getting their shot was such a travesty given that the other teams in contention were...2 loss Oklahoma, 2 loss Georgia, 2 loss Virginia Tech, 2 loss USC, or 2 loss Missouri. Lol.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 06:17:09 PM
So you would do things based on how things went in the bowl games? The games that haven’t been played yet? Given that you make your predictions for games after the games actually happen, that makes sense. Unfortunately they have to make these decisions before the games are actually played. There was literally no debate about who was getting into the CFP this year. None whatsoever.

And good comp. 2 loss LSU getting their shot was such a travesty given that the other teams in contention were...2 loss Oklahoma, 2 loss Georgia, 2 loss Virginia Tech, 2 loss USC, or 2 loss Missouri. Lol.

I would do what I said years ago when this whole thing started....an 8 team playoff...4 teams is too shallow and sets up faux cases of champions from a decent, but not great league...with 8 teams you don’t have to worry about it.  That takes care of the UCF’s of the world, it takes care of 2 or 3 schools from one great conference.  Even your beloved Badgers get a shot at that one, P.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 06:39:19 PM
I would do what I said years ago when this whole thing started....an 8 team playoff...4 teams is too shallow and sets up faux cases of champions from a decent, but not great league...with 8 teams you don’t have to worry about it.  That takes care of the UCF’s of the world, it takes care of 2 or 3 schools from one great conference.  Even your beloved Badgers get a shot at that one, P.

Good dodge.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 06:46:27 PM
They just now showed a graphic about how none of the head coaches in this final 4 was the kind of big-name, already-established hire that fans of all teams in major college and pro sports always want their favorite team to get.

Each had the kind of background that most Marquette coaches over the years have had.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 28, 2019, 07:02:36 PM
A 2 loss, Tua-less, 2nd place in the division team was more deserving than the B12 Champion? Lol.

Not sure if they were more deserving, but doubt they'd get steamrolled like that.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
Good dodge.

The noise about how unfair it was that 2 loss LSU got to go was plenty loud, which was my point.  Alabama, when they care, plays defense.  I don't know if they will give a damn in their bowl game this year, but in the CFP and regular season they do.  Oklahoma, quite frankly, isn't capable of it which is why they got rolled tonight to very little surprise.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 07:55:40 PM
The noise about how unfair it was that 2 loss LSU got to go was plenty loud, which was my point.  Alabama, when they care, plays defense.  I don't know if they will give a damn in their bowl game this year, but in the CFP and regular season they do.  Oklahoma, quite frankly, isn't capable of it which is why they got rolled tonight to very little surprise.

I'm sure you bet the house on LSU at -13.5 then.  Nice of you to always be getting such easy money.

Maybe they should've kept Clemson out of the CFP this year too?  I mean, if we want to put Bama in over a good but not great conference winner, why not put them in over the winner of a bad conference like the ACC?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 28, 2019, 08:08:36 PM
The noise about how unfair it was that 2 loss LSU got to go was plenty loud, which was my point.  Alabama, when they care, plays defense.  I don't know if they will give a damn in their bowl game this year, but in the CFP and regular season they do.  Oklahoma, quite frankly, isn't capable of it which is why they got rolled tonight to very little surprise.

Did Alabama care against Clemson?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
I'm sure you bet the house on LSU at -13.5 then.  Nice of you to always be getting such easy money.

Maybe they should've kept Clemson out of the CFP this year too?  I mean, if we want to put Bama in over a good but not great conference winner, why not put them in over the winner of a bad conference like the ACC?

Nope, didn't bet at all. It wouldn't be easy money either....look I realize the silly game you are playing right now...despite identifying winners all season well in advance, you are hung up on a volleyball game that I didn't know had happened...so you ignore the countless wins predicted days, weeks in advance and hung up on ONE volleyball game....funny watching the geriatric online partner chime in with the same lie is fantastic....Squiggy and Lenny.

No, Clemson should not have been kept out of the CFP this year.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Did Alabama care against Clemson?

Last year, yes....the better team won the game. Clemson was the better team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 28, 2019, 08:14:58 PM
Last year, yes....the better team won the game. Clemson was the better team.

Okay.

So can't LSU just be the (much) better team today?

Why is Alabama getting blown out different than Oklahoma getting blown out?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 08:26:06 PM
Okay.

So can't LSU just be the (much) better team today?

Why is Alabama getting blown out different than Oklahoma getting blown out?

Not to mention Oklahoma missing their best DL plus a RB and WR to suspension and lost a starting safety to targeting in the first quarter.

To suggest Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP is hysterical. Cheeks is the only person in the world that thinks that. Well, Cheeks, ChicosBailBonds, and Hoopaloop.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
Okay.

So can't LSU just be the (much) better team today?

Why is Alabama getting blown out different than Oklahoma getting blown out?

Oklahoma got blown out in a semi final game in which there was some discussion on whether they should even be in this game.  Their defense is awful, etc.   Alabama lost in the championship game in which there was no doubt they were one of the four teams that should have been there.

Put another way, Alabama vs Oklahoma, I’m taking Alabama.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 09:24:40 PM
Not to mention Oklahoma missing their best DL plus a RB and WR to suspension and lost a starting safety to targeting in the first quarter.

To suggest Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP is hysterical. Cheeks is the only person in the world that thinks that. Well, Cheeks, ChicosBailBonds, and Hoopaloop.

Only person in the world....how about we lay some cash down on that for charity, Squiggy P? 


Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 28, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Oklahoma got blown out in a semi final game in which there was some discussion on whether they should even be in this game. 
There was never a discussion about Oklahoma being in the playoff after Georgia and Utah lost.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 10:32:26 PM
There was never a discussion about Oklahoma being in the playoff after Georgia and Utah lost.

Yup. Cheeks, Chicos, and Hoopaloop are the only “three” people in the world who think Oklahoma didn’t deserve to be in the CFP.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUEng92 on December 28, 2019, 10:33:34 PM
For all of you who say the announcers take away from the game, turn on ESPNNews.  No announcers, just the in stadium PA guy with the Skycam view of each play. Kinda weird
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 10:33:57 PM
Only person in the world....how about we lay some cash down on that for charity, Squiggy P?

Is this another one of these things that goes from, “I read what they said,” to, “I talk to agents every day who have told me this news. Talk to college coaches about it someday?”
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 10:51:50 PM
Meanwhile ... helluva game going on now.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 11:01:13 PM
Clemson overhyped. O$U best team in the country.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
Clemson overhyped. O$U best team in the country.

OSU definitely beat themselves all game, but great game by Clemson for sticking it out.  By the way, nice lying again...you are on a roll.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
Is this another one of these things that goes from, “I read what they said,” to, “I talk to agents every day who have told me this news. Talk to college coaches about it someday?”

Are you going to bet or not....$500 for charity....I’m the only one in the world was your statement....man up or go to your room.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
Are you going to bet or not....$500 for charity....I’m the only one in the world was your statement....man up or go to your room.

Lying.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:13:46 PM
Lying.

Easy way for you to make $500 for your charity of choice....the only one in the world to think Alabama should be in the CFP....YOUR WORDS....last chance to win for your charity...cheep cheep cheep ..is that a noise a bird makes?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 11:14:14 PM
Easy way for you to make $500 for your charity of choice....the only one in the world to think Alabama should be in the CFP....YOUR WORDS....last chance to win for your charity...cheep cheep cheep ..is that a noise a bird makes?

Not my words. Quit lying.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:21:26 PM
Not my words. Quit lying.

As I figured, your lies couldn’t be cashed in because it was absurd claim by you.  Shame, good charity of mine would have benefited.

Cheep cheep cheep


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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:36:46 PM
Must say that is also the first time I have seen a player catch a ball and take 3 steps and have the catch overturned by replay....since Dez Bryant. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 11:45:21 PM
As I figured, your lies couldn’t be cashed in because it was absurd claim by you.  Shame, good charity of mine would have benefited.

Cheep cheep cheep


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So you’re finally admitting to being Hoopaloop? Everyone has known for years. Glad you’ve finally admitted it.

I should’ve had WarriorsDad in there too. I’m certain he, too, thinks the team ranked 13th, without their star QB and finishing second in their division, with 0 wins over top 25 opponents all season, should’ve made the CFP over the B12 champion.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 28, 2019, 11:57:13 PM
Joe Burrow was responsible for as many TDs at Mercede's Benz Stadium today as Matt Ryan was this entire season.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:00:35 AM
https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-buckeyes/veteran-nfl-referee-ohio-state-clemson-refs-got-it-wrong


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/ohio-state-bad-calls-blunders-college-football-playoff-loss-clemson/v2l3qs0tf6he1k7nmeli4ggt5


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/sec-officials-catching-heat-after-controversial-call-in-clemson-ohio-state-game/

TD taken away...huge call...bad bad bad. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:05:37 AM
“To suggest Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP is hysterical. Cheeks is the only person in the world that thinks that.”


Coward...know a great charity that would have taken your money and even given you a 2019 tax write off just in time....what a shame.  Cheep cheep cheep <sic>
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: forgetful on December 29, 2019, 01:14:22 AM
https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-buckeyes/veteran-nfl-referee-ohio-state-clemson-refs-got-it-wrong


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/ohio-state-bad-calls-blunders-college-football-playoff-loss-clemson/v2l3qs0tf6he1k7nmeli4ggt5


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/sec-officials-catching-heat-after-controversial-call-in-clemson-ohio-state-game/

TD taken away...huge call...bad bad bad.

That was a terrible overturn. No way there was definitive evidence to overturn it, rather there was definitive evidence to rule it a catch and a fumble.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 07:31:25 AM
“To suggest Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP is hysterical. Cheeks is the only person in the world that thinks that.”


Coward...know a great charity that would have taken your money and even given you a 2019 tax write off just in time....what a shame.  Cheep cheep cheep <sic>

Wonder why you didn’t just quote the post. Keep going with the quote. Liar.

Unless you’re admitting to being Hoopaloop. Long overdue. It’d be good for you.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-buckeyes/veteran-nfl-referee-ohio-state-clemson-refs-got-it-wrong


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/ohio-state-bad-calls-blunders-college-football-playoff-loss-clemson/v2l3qs0tf6he1k7nmeli4ggt5


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/sec-officials-catching-heat-after-controversial-call-in-clemson-ohio-state-game/

TD taken away...huge call...bad bad bad.

Cheeks has yet to figure out NFL and college football have different rules.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2019, 08:09:20 AM
I don't feel even one iota bad for Ohio State regarding the controversial calls.

The targeting call ... it was pretty easy. When one looks at replay, it's obvious he led with the crown of his helmet and hit the QB high.

The catch/no-catch/fumble/no-fumble ... that's much closer. To me, full-speed replay makes it look like no catch but slo-mo makes it look like a catch. Was there indisputable evidence to overturn the call? I'd say probably not, but I am not a paid college football official, and neither are any other Scoopers.

Having said all that, even if those were the two worst calls in football history (which they weren't) ...

It wasn't the refs who idiotically roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 70 yards in two plays for the go-ahead TD right after the OSU idiot roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 94 yards in 78 seconds to take the lead for good. It wasn't the refs who forced Ohio State to settle for chip-shot FGs on 3 early trips into the red zone, when OSU could have broken open the game. It wasn't the refs who gained minus-2 yards on the possession after Clemson's first TD. It wasn't the refs who threw an INT to end OSU's last drive.

I get that OSU fans are mad. They are fans and by definition aren't objective or rational. Hopefully, as things sink in, the coach and OSU players will take responsibility for the real reasons they lost the game.

Looking forward to the national title game. Hard to imagine anybody beating LSU, but Clemson just knows how to win these games. Should be fun!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2019, 08:36:26 AM
I don't feel even one iota bad for Ohio State regarding the controversial calls.

The targeting call ... it was pretty easy. When one looks at replay, it's obvious he led with the crown of his helmet and hit the QB high.

The catch/no-catch/fumble/no-fumble ... that's much closer. To me, full-speed replay makes it look like no catch but slo-mo makes it look like a catch. Was there indisputable evidence to overturn the call? I'd say probably not, but I am not a paid college football official, and neither are any other Scoopers.

Having said all that, even if those were the two worst calls in football history (which they weren't) ...

It wasn't the refs who idiotically roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 70 yards in two plays for the go-ahead TD right after the OSU idiot roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 94 yards in 78 seconds to take the lead for good. It wasn't the refs who forced Ohio State to settle for chip-shot FGs on 3 early trips into the red zone, when OSU could have broken open the game. It wasn't the refs who gained minus-2 yards on the possession after Clemson's first TD. It wasn't the refs who threw an INT to end OSU's last drive.

I get that OSU fans are mad. They are fans and by definition aren't objective or rational. Hopefully, as things sink in, the coach and OSU players will take responsibility for the real reasons they lost the game.

Looking forward to the national title game. Hard to imagine anybody beating LSU, but Clemson just knows how to win these games. Should be fun!

I feel terrible for Ohio State fans, said no one ever
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 29, 2019, 09:21:18 AM
If that Clemson catch/no catch happens in the end zone, is it ruled a touchdown?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 29, 2019, 09:56:26 AM
Crapshoot, hey?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: forgetful on December 29, 2019, 11:37:10 AM
If that Clemson catch/no catch happens in the end zone, is it ruled a touchdown?

That's the thing. If it happened in the end zone, it would have absolutely been ruled a touchdown.

Still haven't seen a replay that even suggests it wasn't a catch.

But MU82 is right, if they hadn't inexplicably made stupid play after play, it wouldn't have mattered.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 11:53:52 AM
Cheeks has yet to figure out NFL and college football have different rules.

P has yet to figure out that Terry McAulay has been a college football coordinator of officials in the former Big East and now for the AAC for over a decade, in addition to his NFL officiating bonafides.  In fact a number of NFL officials are involved in college football in some capacity....and they are able to process the different rules just fine.

Squiggy, of the complaints aren’t coming from folks associated with the NFL...have you seen all the pushback by coaches today on the Targeting call?  Once again, intent matters and why coaches have been up in arms today.  No launch, QB ducks down...that is not targeting.  Penalty...yes.  Targeting penalty...no.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 11:57:04 AM
Wonder why you didn’t just quote the post. Keep going with the quote. Liar.

Unless you’re admitting to being Hoopaloop. Long overdue. It’d be good for you.

Only person in the world....you squatted on your Johnson and got called out...I guess $500 loss for you to benefit kids is too much.  I get it...smart play to explain to the Mrs that you lost money for saying something so stupid and so incredibly wrong. 

You uhm May want to do a little search on this thing called Google regarding how many others think Alabama more deserving of the final spot then Oklahoma...that was before yesterday...of course a few more today....but I am the only person in the world.  LOL.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
P has yet to figure out that Terry McAulay has been a college football coordinator of officials in the former Bog East and now AAC for over a decade, in addition to his NFL officiating bonafides.  In fact a number of NFL officials are involved in college football in some capacity....and they are able to process the different rules just fine.

Squiggy, of the complaints aren’t coming from folks associated with the NFL...have you seen all the pushback by coaches today on the Targeting call?  Once again, intent matters and why coaches have been up in arms today.  No launch, QB ducks down...that is not targeting.  Penalty...yes.  Targeting penalty...no.

Did you just figure out my name is Pat? You seem to be very proud of your ability to figure something out that I literally posted on here years ago lol. So congrats on that. Maybe that’d when you were on one of your first 3 permabans so I guess you might’ve missed it.

Glad the NFL ref thought the college call was wrong. Both the college ref on the broadcast and the college refs doing the game had no hesitation in overturning the call. Both calls reviewed.

Maybe the NCAA just wants the best team in college football out of it’s CFP. I’m guessing overhyped Clemson had a bigger following than O$U, the best team in college football. Lol.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 11:59:37 AM
I don't feel even one iota bad for Ohio State regarding the controversial calls.

The targeting call ... it was pretty easy. When one looks at replay, it's obvious he led with the crown of his helmet and hit the QB high.

The catch/no-catch/fumble/no-fumble ... that's much closer. To me, full-speed replay makes it look like no catch but slo-mo makes it look like a catch. Was there indisputable evidence to overturn the call? I'd say probably not, but I am not a paid college football official, and neither are any other Scoopers.

Having said all that, even if those were the two worst calls in football history (which they weren't) ...

It wasn't the refs who idiotically roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 70 yards in two plays for the go-ahead TD right after the OSU idiot roughed the punter. It wasn't the refs who let Clemson go 94 yards in 78 seconds to take the lead for good. It wasn't the refs who forced Ohio State to settle for chip-shot FGs on 3 early trips into the red zone, when OSU could have broken open the game. It wasn't the refs who gained minus-2 yards on the possession after Clemson's first TD. It wasn't the refs who threw an INT to end OSU's last drive.

I get that OSU fans are mad. They are fans and by definition aren't objective or rational. Hopefully, as things sink in, the coach and OSU players will take responsibility for the real reasons they lost the game.

Looking forward to the national title game. Hard to imagine anybody beating LSU, but Clemson just knows how to win these games. Should be fun!

There is a difference between leading with the helmet and targeting...so no, it isn’t that easy. 

Sure OSU fans are mad, what strikes me is so many non OSU fans that are mad and wow...never thought I would see the media come to their side so much yesterday on social media.  Watching Charles Pierce attack Dabo for his post game religious comments was always fun and predictable as hell.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
Only person in the world....you squatted on your Johnson and got called out...I guess $500 loss for you to benefit kids is too much.  I get it...smart play to explain to the Mrs that you lost money for saying something so stupid and so incredibly wrong. 

You uhm May want to do a little search on this thing called Google regarding how many others think Alabama more deserving of the final spot then Oklahoma...that was before yesterday...of course a few more today....but I am the only person in the world.  LOL.

Keep lying. Unless you’re finally, years later, admitting to being hoopaloop. How’s he doing? Hasn’t been around in awhile. It’s weird. He seems to only show up when you’re on one of your many permabans. You two have a falling out? He doesn’t want to post here if you are?

Bama over OU? LOL! Please provide a link. Or is this another thing where it started as “I read it” and when you can’t provide a link when asked for it it turns into “I spoke with agents. You should try talking to college coaches like I do!”
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
That's the thing. If it happened in the end zone, it would have absolutely been ruled a touchdown.

Still haven't seen a replay that even suggests it wasn't a catch.

But MU82 is right, if they hadn't inexplicably made stupid play after play, it wouldn't have mattered.

Of course it was a TD if it was caught in the end zone.

I don’t buy the second argument...sure, they made plenty of mistakes, but taking 6 points off is taking 6 points off.  Get the calls right, whether the other team screwed up opportunities or not.  Never understood this idea that it was ok to dismiss incompetence by officials because the team messed up opportunities. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 12:15:10 PM
It was the wrong call.
It also was not the reason tOSU lost.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
It was the wrong call.
It also was not the reason tOSU lost.

If OSU has that 6 to 8 points, I’m pretty sure it is at the very least ONE of the reasons they lost.  Dropping TD’s, roughing the punter, etc are also reasons.  But when you lose a game by 6 and you have 6 points taken off the scoreboard along with the momentum that goes with it....yeah...that’s pretty damn big.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:23:20 PM
Glad the NFL ref thought the college call was wrong. Both the college ref on the broadcast and the college refs doing the game had no hesitation in overturning the call. Both calls reviewed.

Maybe the NCAA just wants the best team in college football out of it’s CFP. I’m guessing overhyped Clemson had a bigger following than O$U, the best team in college football. Lol.

The college ref doing the game five feet from the play made the call.  The replay official, despite no replay anywhere to reverse that call...did so.

And McAulay once again is not with the NFL anymore, he is currently with the AAC and oversees football officiating...but go ahead and ignore that and call him a NFL ref which is false and you knowing it is false makes it a lie by you, too.  Anything to further your agenda...just repeat the lie enough.  Let’s repeat, McAulay retired from the NFL last year, he is STILL head of college football officiating for the AAC.  He is not the only COLLEGE official in the last 24 hours to make the comments at how poor the reversal was.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:24:38 PM
Keep lying. Unless you’re finally, years later, admitting to being hoopaloop. How’s he doing? Hasn’t been around in awhile. It’s weird. He seems to only show up when you’re on one of your many permabans. You two have a falling out? He doesn’t want to post here if you are?

Bama over OU? LOL! Please provide a link. Or is this another thing where it started as “I read it” and when you can’t provide a link when asked for it it turns into “I spoke with agents. You should try talking to college coaches like I do!”

$500 bet...I’m the only person in the world....you had so many chances...now you want me to do work for you?  You don’t seem to understand how this works.  LOL.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 12:25:51 PM
If OSU has that 6 to 8 points, I’m pretty sure it is at the very least ONE of the reasons they lost.  Dropping TD’s, roughing the punter, etc are also reasons.  But when you lose a game by 6 and you have 6 points taken off the scoreboard along with the momentum that goes with it....yeah...that’s pretty damn big.

So we agree.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
$500 bet...I’m the only person in the world....you had so many chances...now you want me to do work for you?  You don’t seem to understand how this works.  LOL.

Yeah there’s literally nothing. The only debate out there was LSU or OSU deserving of the number one ranking? So unless you have something google doesn’t...

Which of course you do. Discussion with agents and coaches. Duh.

This is why I’d never, ever make a bet with you. “I read kids saying this!” Please provide the link then cheeks, just one link. “Well they didn’t come out and say it, it’s in what they didn’t say! Just ask the agents they work with years after I claimed they made these statements!”
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: jesmu84 on December 29, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
P has yet to figure out that Terry McAulay has been a college football coordinator of officials in the former Big East and now for the AAC for over a decade, in addition to his NFL officiating bonafides.  In fact a number of NFL officials are involved in college football in some capacity....and they are able to process the different rules just fine.

Squiggy, of the complaints aren’t coming from folks associated with the NFL...have you seen all the pushback by coaches today on the Targeting call?  Once again, intent matters and why coaches have been up in arms today.  No launch, QB ducks down...that is not targeting.  Penalty...yes.  Targeting penalty...no.

Why do you subtlety doxx people that you're in arguments with? You've done the same with fluffy, pakuni, MU82. I'm sure there are others
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
Yeah there’s literally nothing. The only debate out there was LSU or OSU deserving of the number one ranking? So unless you have something google doesn’t...

Which of course you do. Discussion with agents and coaches. Duh.

This is why I’d never, ever make a bet with you. “I read kids saying this!” Please provide the link then cheeks, just one link. “Well they didn’t come out and say it, it’s in what they didn’t say! Just ask the agents they work with years after I claimed they made these statements!”


You said only person in the world.  I’ll give you one more chance on the $500.  No one else in the world....NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...your words.  NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD thinks Bama should be there instead of OU....NO ONE.

Pull the trigger P.  $500...easy for your charity because no one else of 7billion people thinks that Bama is a better team than Oklahoma and should have been there...NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

LOL....please please please pull the trigger on this bet.  Your Google doesn’t seem to be working by the way, perhaps try Bing or another search engine.  LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 12:45:26 PM
Why do you subtlety doxx people that you're in arguments with? You've done the same with fluffy, pakuni, MU82. I'm sure there are others

Excuse me, MU82 has been called by his name here by countless posters....don’t even pretend to go there.

Fluffy...by calling him the Pontiff?  You said nothing when others have said far worse.

I’ve been doxxed countless times here, you have said nothing...to the point I simply listed my name under my username for a long period of time. So give me a break.

Meanwhile, as Wades said...he has put his name out here before.

I’m quite sure you don’t know what the meaning is when the name is already out there and PROVIDED by the user.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
Why do you subtlety doxx people that you're in arguments with? You've done the same with fluffy, pakuni, MU82. I'm sure there are others

It's not all that subtle.
And as always, the justification for his childish behavior involves portraying himself as a victim.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 12:51:11 PM

You said only person in the world.  I’ll give you one more chance on the $500.  No one else in the world....NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...your words.  NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD thinks Bama should be there instead of OU....NO ONE.

Pull the trigger P.  $500...easy for your charity because no one else of 7billion people thinks that Bama is a better team than Oklahoma and should have been there...NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

LOL....please please please pull the trigger on this bet.  Your Google doesn’t seem to be working by the way, perhaps try Bing or another search engine.  LOL

I would never, ever make a bet with you, J (am I cool for knowing your name too?!). Ever.

I also did not say only you, you continue to lie. How’s hoopaloop doing?

Tried them all. Not one source says Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP. So unless you’re going to provide a link (we know you won’t, it’ll turn into your personal discussion with important people like always so just trust you, because you are very trustworthy Mr. I won’t be here that often only 7K posts in 13 months often) just get it over with and let us know which NFL agent or college coach told you Bama, winner of 0 top 25 games this year and second in their conference’s division, should’ve been in the CFP.

This is so predictable.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 29, 2019, 01:03:35 PM
Ohio State kicking 3 field goals in the red zone killed the Buckeyes. Should have been 24-0. Dobbins not holding on to the ball on the pass. He also dropped the screen, that he would have walked in for a touchdown.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
Ohio State kicking 3 field goals in the red zone killed the Buckeyes. Should have been 24-0. Dobbins not holding on to the ball on the pass. He also dropped the screen, that he would have walked in for a touchdown.

Truth.
Dobbins' bad hands cost Ohio State twice as many points as a questionable call.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
I would never, ever make a bet with you, J (am I cool for knowing your name too?!). Ever.

I also did not say only you, you continue to lie. How’s hoopaloop doing?

Tried them all. Not one source says Alabama should’ve been in this year’s CFP. So unless you’re going to provide a link (we know you won’t, it’ll turn into your personal discussion with important people like always so just trust you, because you are very trustworthy Mr. I won’t be here that often only 7K posts in 13 months often) just get it over with and let us know which NFL agent or college coach told you Bama, winner of 0 top 25 games this year and second in their conference’s division, should’ve been in the CFP.

This is so predictable.

Liar.  Feb 2016...you bet me about Henry Ellenson and the NBA.  How soon you forget.

You said NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...that means no one else.  Not a fan, no one...not one person.  You were wrong, of course, which is wise. Or to bet because you would have lost $500 to charity.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:25:21 PM
Truth.
Dobbins' bad hands cost Ohio State twice as many points as a questionable call.

Yup, and despite that they were still in the game and an official made a call on the field, a replay official needs Irrefutable evidence to overturn and did so anyway, costing OSU huge momentum In the second half and at least 6 points with a 98% probability of 7 points.

But yes, Dobbins drops also hurt...and OSU was still in the game and would have taken the lead if the refs didn’t choke that call....not just choke it...actually spent time looking at video and reversed it.  My God.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 01:27:09 PM
Liar.  Feb 2016...you bet me about Henry Ellenson and the NBA.  How soon you forget.

You said NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...that means no one else.  Not a fan, no one...not one person.  You were wrong, of course, which is wise. Or to bet because you would have lost $500 to charity.

Is hoopaloop no longer with us?

Also, I have yet to see anywhere that shows I was wrong. If you’d like to provide evidence I’d be happy to admit I’m wrong and laugh at how stupid people can be in this world, because that’s some incredible stupidity.

But we all know you can’t provide an article. So let’s shift the goalposts to “I was talking to NFL agents who told me so! You’re wrong!”

Very reliable.

And, as always, very predictable.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:27:31 PM
It's not all that subtle.
And as always, the justification for his childish behavior involves portraying himself as a victim.

As usual, the hypocrisy by some here on full display....selective outrage and nothing but silence when exposed for it.  Want the best one, some of you calling MU82 by his first name here and having the gaul to then call someone out for doing it....spectacular hypocrisy and no one is surprised by it.  Would you like the link? 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 01:27:56 PM
Yup, and despite that they were still in the game and an official made a call on the field, a replay official needs Irrefutable evidence to overturn and did so anyway, costing OSU huge momentum In the second half and at least 6 points with a 98% probability of 7 points.

But yes, Dobbins drops also hurt...and OSU was still in the game and would have taken the lead if the refs didn’t choke that call....not just choke it...actually spent time looking at video and reversed it.  My God.


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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 01:29:05 PM
As usual, the hypocrisy by some here on full display....selective outrage and nothing but silence when exposed for it.  Want the best one, some of you calling MU82 by his first name here and having the gaul to then call someone out for doing it....spectacular hypocrisy and no one is surprised by it.  Would you like the link?

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:29:28 PM
Ohio State kicking 3 field goals in the red zone killed the Buckeyes. Should have been 24-0. Dobbins not holding on to the ball on the pass. He also dropped the screen, that he would have walked in for a touchdown.

It definitely didn’t help, but doesn’t justify the absurd was of that call reversal and the huge impact on the game.

Bad calls happen.   This was a REVERSAL from video which is why people are up in arms.  Irrefutable evidence....bad bad bad look.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:38:52 PM
Is hoopaloop no longer with us?

Also, I have yet to see anywhere that shows I was wrong. If you’d like to provide evidence I’d be happy to admit I’m wrong and laugh at how stupid people can be in this world, because that’s some incredible stupidity.

But we all know you can’t provide an article. So let’s shift the goalposts to “I was talking to NFL agents who told me so! You’re wrong!”

Very reliable.

And, as always, very predictable.

You were caught again, saying you would NEVER EVER make a bet with me.   You did...you lied.

Here's the evidence...you are Wadesworld..right?  Someone didn't steal your account when you responded DEAL?  Just checking...a relative maybe?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48286.msg806067#msg806067


I get you keep getting caught in your lies the last few days and you are unable to come to grips with it, so you keep attacking.   So here's your chance to apologize again for lying saying you NEVER EVER would make a bet with me...lie...you did.  Go ahead and deny it.

I feel bad for making is so easy for you on that bet by saying 35 games played. It was laughable that you thought he would average 5 points per game...he averaged 3.2 as I said he would average less than 5...he simply isn't very good as I stated then and was correct.  But I gave you the out he had to play in 35 games.  He was so damn bad that year he played in only 19.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
Ohio State lost because Clemson scored more points.  Many things lead to this happening.  Losers make excuses
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 01:46:44 PM
Ohio State lost because Clemson scored more points.  Many things lead to this happening.  Losers make excuses

Al Mcguire was a loser then?  Interesting
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 01:51:06 PM
You were caught again, saying you would NEVER EVER make a bet with me.   You did...you lied.

Here's the evidence...you are Wadesworld..right?  Someone didn't steal your account when you responded DEAL?  Just checking...a relative maybe?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48286.msg806067#msg806067


I get you keep getting caught in your lies the last few days and you are unable to come to grips with it, so you keep attacking.   So here's your chance to apologize again for lying saying you NEVER EVER would make a bet with me...lie...you did.  Go ahead and deny it.

I feel bad for making is so easy for you on that bet by saying 35 games played. It was laughable that you thought he would average 5 points per game...he averaged 3.2 as I said he would average less than 5...he simply isn't very good as I stated then and was correct.  But I gave you the out he had to play in 35 games.  He was so damn bad that year he played in only 19.

My apologies.  I didn't know you were a pathological liar who shifts the goalposts constantly and plays the victim at every chance he can back then, so I made a bet with you.  I should've said, "Now that I know more about you, J, after your many permabans, I would never, ever make a a bet with you."

Now your turn.  Did I say you are the single only person ever, or did I name 3 different people?  Liar.

Also, since you're claiming I'm wrong on the three people in the world (despite your lies claiming I said one) claiming OU should've been left out for #13 (LOL!) Alabama, please provide a link.  I've Googled everything I can think of.  Nothing.  Which agent did you talk to that told you that?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: WithoutBias on December 29, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
“Hoopaloop it’s your mother. I found your meds on the counter again this morning, you forgot to take them! Get home ASAP before you do something stupid!”
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 02:01:57 PM
It's not all that subtle.
And as always, the justification for his childish behavior involves portraying himself as a victim.

By the way, Mike, what's your opinion on McCarthy becoming coach?

Where would you draw the line, Mike? Should a guy who's assured of being a #1 draft choice by, say game 4 (football) or game 10 (basketball) quit to protect his status? Can't these guys get insurance policies?

Relax Mike.

We got this. 

This post is Underboard approved.

Really, we got this.

   
Mike

Frankly, nothing by Mel Brooks was very funny. They were contrived, predictable, and tepid.

Brooks had some moments but generally speaking his movies lacked wit, insight, or depth.


Mike,

I acknowledged I picked one sentence out of your post, and acknowledged that I understood your premise. We likely agree on 90% of the type of kid to recruit and how to recruit them. Funny thing, you noted how Rick used to recruit the Mom and that probably is true to this day. Sadly, for some kids I would recruit, the appeal of seeing multi millionaires strutting their stuff at the Fiserv might mean more than their child getting an education.


There are 100's more.   Want to do the same thing for the others and more importantly, the TOTAL lack of anyone making any comments regarding it from Jesu, you, and others...until today?

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
My apologies.  I didn't know you were a pathological liar who shifts the goalposts constantly and plays the victim at every chance he can back then, so I made a bet with you.  I should've said, "Now that I know more about you, J, after your many permabans, I would never, ever make a a bet with you."

Now your turn.  Did I say you are the single only person ever, or did I name 3 different people?  Liar.

Also, since you're claiming I'm wrong on the three people in the world (despite your lies claiming I said one) claiming OU should've been left out for #13 (LOL!) Alabama, please provide a link.  I've Googled everything I can think of.  Nothing.  Which agent did you talk to that told you that?

Nice apology...LOL   (https://media.giphy.com/media/y6abC8AndN3aw/giphy.gif)

You said NO ONE IN THE WORLD and then accused me of being multiple people...so by your definition...the same person.  Ergo, you are still saying I am the only person in the world if what you believe is true....right or wrong?

Now, by your definition using YOUR WORDS that you continue to want to get out of....you said NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD except for me (and the people you accuse me of being...thus all the same person according to you) believes this....NO ONE ELSE.  Not one single person...but you have googled it.   LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2019, 02:10:02 PM
Why do you subtlety doxx people that you're in arguments with? You've done the same with fluffy, pakuni, MU82. I'm sure there are others

Appreciate the backup, but please leave me out of this.

It has now been 6 days since I have had any exchanges at all with a certain poster. My goal is to keep that going for a long time. Others are warring with him just fine.

How 'bout Clemson? So many people are so obsessed with whether or not Ohio State got "hosed" that Clemson outplaying OSU for the last 2 1/2 quarters has almost gone unnoticed.

Lawrence would start for several NFL teams. It's a shame that the NFL is going to force him to wait another entire year, risking injury, when he could be making big bucks.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 02:12:08 PM
Nice apology...LOL   (https://media.giphy.com/media/y6abC8AndN3aw/giphy.gif)

You said NO ONE IN THE WORLD and then accused me of being multiple people...so by your definition...the same person.  Ergo, you are still saying I am the only person in the world if what you believe is true....right or wrong?

Now, by your definition using YOUR WORDS that you continue to want to get out of....you said NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD except for me (and the people you accuse me of being...thus all the same person according to you) believes this....NO ONE ELSE.  Not one single person...but you have googled it.   LOL

Wrong. I named 3 people. I apologize on your behalf that you don’t know how to read.

Quit lying, J.

So when you told me to use Google you meant I shouldn’t use Google? I’m a little confused here J. Help me out. What do you want me to do, Google it or should I not Google it?

Please provide me a single link showing someone who thought #13 Alabama should’ve made this year’s CFP over Oklahoma. Just one. I’m getting the feeling you once again have nothing for me so you’ll claim you talked to President Trump in person about it so I’ll just have to take your word.

Shocking!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 02:14:23 PM
Appreciate the backup, but please leave me out of this.

It has now been 6 days since I have had any exchanges at all with a certain poster. My goal is to keep that going for a long time. Others are warring with him just fine.

How 'bout Clemson? So many people are so obsessed with whether or not Ohio State got "hosed" that Clemson outplaying OSU for the last 2 1/2 quarters has almost gone unnoticed.

Lawrence would start for several NFL teams. It's a shame that the NFL is going to force him to wait another entire year, risking injury, when he could be making big bucks.

Then he should sit out next year and show him who's boss and get off the plantation oppressors that the NFL is for wanting people to be mature physically.  I can only imagine a young kid coming out early, getting hurt badly...because his body wasn't ready and the SJWs here screaming why does the NFL or some regulator prevent these attrocities from happening.

And your last communication with me wasn't 6 days...in fact you sent me a PM on Dec 24th.  The memory is often the first thing to go.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 02:16:41 PM
Wrong. I named 3 people. I apologize on your behalf that you don’t know how to read.

Quit lying, J.

So when you told me to use Google you meant I shouldn’t use Google? I’m a little confused here J. Help me out. What do you want me to do, Google it or should I not Google it?

Please provide me a single link showing someone who thought #13 Alabama should’ve made this year’s CFP over Oklahoma. Just one. I’m getting the feeling you once again have nothing for me so you’ll claim you talked to President Trump in person about it so I’ll just have to take your word.

Shocking!

You named 3 people you accused of all being me....thus the same person according to you...not sure why the lying by you continues.  Are you lying that you didn't sugget those 3 posters are all me?  Actually you threw in a 4th, Warrior Dad, too.   Are you going to lie continuously and suggest you didn't say that when I can present many many posts here from you in which you call me one of those names....thus proving beyond all shadows of a doubt you think ONE person.

So, that means you are saying ONE PERSON, not three...not sure why your pathology to lie is so out of hand, but it is here for all to see...or are you denying this now, too?

And now you bring politics into it....also not shocking. 

I want that $500 for charity...man up....not a SINGLE person...man up then, easy money for you.  LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 29, 2019, 02:19:05 PM
You named 3 people you accused of all being me....thus the same person...not sure why the lying by you continues.  Are you lying that you didn't sugget those 3 posters are all me?  Actually you threw in a 4th, Warrior Dad, too.   Are you going to lie continuously and suggest you didn't say that when I can present many many posts here from you in which you call me one of those names....thus proving beyond all shadows of a doubt you think ONE person.

So, that means you are saying ONE PERSON, not three...not sure why your pathology to lie is so out of hand, but it is here for all to see...or are you denying this now, too?

I remember when I was like 6 years old and couldn’t think of anything creative to say so I just used the same exact thing someone said I was and gave it right back to them. Good job, J!

I’ll take it you don’t have any links to share showing Bama should’ve been in this year’s CFP over Oklahoma. So you’re lying when you say I’m wrong. Quit lying, J.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 29, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
I remember when I was like 6 years old and couldn’t think of anything creative to say so I just used the same exact thing someone said I was and gave it right back to them. Good job, J!

I’ll take it you don’t have any links to share showing Bama should’ve been in this year’s CFP over Oklahoma. So you’re lying when you say I’m wrong. Quit lying, J.

$500 bet for charity....still waiting...

You lie like a 6 year old now in your late 40's?  That's a shame, I'm sure counseling is available for you.  In the last 24 hours three times you have been exposed for doing so and you keep on doing it.  That sounds like a serious problem.

Want a link of at least one person saying it who is not me....$500 for charity....let's do it.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2019, 02:22:42 PM
Appreciate the backup, but please leave me out of this.

It has now been 6 days since I have had any exchanges at all with a certain poster. My goal is to keep that going for a long time. Others are warring with him just fine.

How 'bout Clemson? So many people are so obsessed with whether or not Ohio State got "hosed" that Clemson outplaying OSU for the last 2 1/2 quarters has almost gone unnoticed.

Lawrence would start for several NFL teams. It's a shame that the NFL is going to force him to wait another entire year, risking injury, when he could be making big bucks.

Clemson won because they scored more points.  Some people use the refs as an excuse
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 29, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
So, we've established both of you behave like 6 year olds.

Post one more time, you're grounded.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 29, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
Great semifinal. But TV numbers trailed from when semis are put on New Years Day. I really wish they would move the semis to January 1 permanently.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on December 29, 2019, 05:40:53 PM
Mods, can we do something please? We’re at like a 80% hit rate of Superbar threads being hijacked for agendas. This sucks
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2019, 07:28:50 PM
Please.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on December 29, 2019, 09:06:05 PM
Mods, can we do something please? We’re at like a 80% hit rate of Superbar threads being hijacked for agendas. This sucks

It’ll never happen. Cheeks is Ragnarok of Scoop. It’ll burn to the ground, but the good people of Scoop will find a new home.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on December 29, 2019, 11:20:44 PM
It takes 2 to fight. Only way to stop it is to ignore him The guy is clearly emotionally disturbed so people should not bait him. Hope he gets help.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on December 30, 2019, 12:22:24 AM
It takes 2 to fight. Only way to stop it is to ignore him The guy is clearly emotionally disturbed so people should not bait him. Hope he gets help.

This. But it’s super disappointing just scrolling down every page, only to say unnatural carnal knowledge it there’s no point.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 07:44:23 AM
Great semifinal. But TV numbers trailed from when semis are put on New Years Day. I really wish they would move the semis to January 1 permanently.
NYD is ratings gold for college football. The powers to be can't make it work. Hurts the growth of the sports.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 07:45:33 AM
Monday, December, 30th
SERVPRO Bowl  : Western Kentucky vs. Western Michigan   11:30 am   ESPN

Music City Bowl  : Louisville vs. Mississippi State   3:00 pm   ESPN

Red Box Bowl: California vs. Illinois   3:00 pm   FOX

Orange Bowl  : Florida vs. Virginia   7:00 pm   ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
NYD is ratings gold for college football. The powers to be can't make it work. Hurts the growth of the sports.

They choose to make it not work to protect the sanctity of the Rose Bowl
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 11:09:39 AM
They choose to make it not work to protect the sanctity of the Rose Bowl

I think it's not just that. I think ABC/ESPN is OK with slightly lesser ratings for the playoffs on Dec. 28 because those ratings will still be massively higher than any other programming they would show that night.
And while the other bowl games on Jan. 1 might not draw quite the ratings as playoff games, they'll still do pretty well because that's what people watch on Jan. 1.
Big picture, they probably get more total viewers this way.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 30, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
I think it's not just that. I think ABC/ESPN is OK with slightly lesser ratings for the playoffs on Dec. 28 because those ratings will still be massively higher than any other programming they would show that night.
And while the other bowl games on Jan. 1 might not draw quite the ratings as playoff games, they'll still do pretty well because that's what people watch on Jan. 1.
Big picture, they probably get more total viewers this way.

That is probably the best take.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
I think it's not just that. I think ABC/ESPN is OK with slightly lesser ratings for the playoffs on Dec. 28 because those ratings will still be massively higher than any other programming they would show that night.
And while the other bowl games on Jan. 1 might not draw quite the ratings as playoff games, they'll still do pretty well because that's what people watch on Jan. 1.
Big picture, they probably get more total viewers this way.

You’re probably right.  But Jim Delany loves his Rose Bowl and spent nearly two decades protecting it despite the best interests of the sport.  “Death to the BCS” does a great job covering it
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 30, 2019, 01:15:05 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
They choose to make it not work to protect the sanctity of the Rose Bowl
Not totally true.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 01:19:57 PM
I think it's not just that. I think ABC/ESPN is OK with slightly lesser ratings for the playoffs on Dec. 28 because those ratings will still be massively higher than any other programming they would show that night.
And while the other bowl games on Jan. 1 might not draw quite the ratings as playoff games, they'll still do pretty well because that's what people watch on Jan. 1.
Big picture, they probably get more total viewers this way.

ABC has nothing to do with it. It's ESPN.

The Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl signed an 80 million deal to be locked in on NYD. ESPN really pushed to get semis off of NYE to the last Saturday in December, 2 out of 3 years, when the Rose and Sugar are not hosting playoff games.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 01:30:34 PM
ABC has nothing to do with it. It's ESPN.

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 01:34:35 PM
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Yes, Disney owns ABC.  Yes, Disney owns ESPN.  That said, they are individual units with their own P&Ls.  Same thing with Turner Sports was it's own operating unit even though it shared same building with CNN, etc.  Pretty common in the media industry with the proxy walls they have set up. 

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
You’re probably right.  But Jim Delany loves his Rose Bowl and spent nearly two decades protecting it despite the best interests of the sport.  “Death to the BCS” does a great job covering it

I'm glad he did protect it.  The granddaddy of them all for a reason. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 01:40:40 PM

Yes, Disney owns ABC.  Yes, Disney owns ESPN.  That said, they are individual units with their own P&Ls.  Same thing with Turner Sports was it's own operating unit even though it shared same building with CNN, etc.
Plus, It's been since 2010 since Rose and Sugar have been on ABC. Long time ago now.

I also believe ABC Sports ended in 2006.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
Your CNN/Turner Sports analogy sucks. ABC Sports and ESPN share nearly everything, from content to broadcasters to graphics to branding .... even a logo (see above below), and scheduling decisions, rights fees, etc. are addressed jointly.

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2019, 01:53:49 PM
I'm glad he did protect it.  The granddaddy of them all for a reason.

Yes, how could college football go on without a game that decided 1 partial national championship after 1979 before moving out of the stone ages?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 01:59:41 PM
Your CNN/Turner Sports analogy sucks. ABC Sports and ESPN share nearly everything, from content to broadcasters to graphics to branding .... even a logo (see above below), and scheduling decisions, rights fees, etc. are addressed jointly.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/ESPN_on_ABC.png)

No, it actually doesn't suck and is very common in the industry.

You often say to me that I don't belong in your legal space....you don't belong in my space here....to use your words...YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!   A classic example is the "shared logo"....that is a marketing, cross promotional branding and nothing more.  Let's not forget that more than 65% of all ABC stations are not even owned by Disney, but by affiliates.  Conversely, Disney owns ESPN completely.  As such, there are major walls between ABC and ESPN.  Sharing of graphics packages...whoop ti do.  Also very common in the industry primarily for supply chain economics when deals are done.  No different than sports data.  But you are reaching way to far to force this one.

You simply don't know what you are talking about in this area.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 30, 2019, 02:00:16 PM
I'm glad he did protect it.  The granddaddy of them all for a reason. 

Because it's long dead - like both of my grandaddies?

Look, I love the Rose Bowl and most certainly will be watching in a couple of days.  But I would much rather have a new tradition.  Perhaps a semifinal at Noon, the Rose or Sugar at 3:30 (alternating years), and the second semifinal at 7:00. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
Yes, how could college football go on without a game that decided 1 partial national championship after 1979 before moving out of the stone ages?

To a great many people, traditions matter.  Want to know how important it is....my city is besieged again this week by lots of really pasty overweight people wearing red.  In past years, it might they might have been wearing black / yellow, or Scarlet / grey, etc. Good folks, friendly, spend money and leave.  I've been to plenty of these games over the years, nothing like it in my opinion.  I've also been to the title game in that stadium with FSU and Auburn.  Amazing historic facility, with great tradition. 90K to 100K each year, all the pageantry that goes along with it.

I just hope UW-madison's recent lack of success here continues. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 02:08:01 PM
Because it's long dead - like both of my grandaddies?

Look, I love the Rose Bowl and most certainly will be watching in a couple of days.  But I would much rather have a new tradition.  Perhaps a semifinal at Noon, the Rose or Sugar at 3:30 (alternating years), and the second semifinal at 7:00.

Well, then I'd suggest not watching it because traditions usually don't die if the public supports them....through attending games or watching on tv.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 02:13:47 PM
No, it actually doesn't suck and is very common in the industry.

You often say to me that I don't belong in your legal space....you don't belong in my space here....to use your words...YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!   A classic example is the "shared logo"....that is a marketing, cross promotional branding and nothing more.  Let's not forget that more than 65% of all ABC stations are not even owned by Disney, but by affiliates.  Conversely, Disney owns ESPN completely.  As such, there are major walls between ABC and ESPN.  Sharing of graphics packages...whoop ti do.  Also very common in the industry primarily for supply chain economics when deals are done.  No different than sports data.  But you are reaching way to far to force this one.

You simply don't know what you are talking about in this area.

Your bit about being in your element here would work better if you could get the facts right in your so-called area of "expertise."
To wit:
- Disney does not own ESPN completely. Disney owns approximately 80 percent of ESPN. Hearst Communications owns the other 20 percent, as it has since the early 1990s. This arrangement is the only reason for what phony walls exist between ABC and ESPN ... and those have been getting thinner and thinner.
- Who owns the actual affiliates is totally irrelevant to what programming the network produces and airs. It has nothing to do with this conversation.

On everything that matters, ABC Sports and ESPN are the same entity ... same league rights, same production staffs, same broadcasters, same decision makers. Heck, ESPN and ABC Sports had the same president.
Read this interview with that president, George Bodenheimer, and note how he consistently speaks of ABC Sports and ESPN as a joint unit, and never as separate entities.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/espn-and-abc-sports-president-george-bodenheimer

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 02:40:47 PM


Look, I love the Rose Bowl and most certainly will be watching in a couple of days.  But I would much rather have a new tradition.  Perhaps a semifinal at Noon, the Rose or Sugar at 3:30 (alternating years), and the second semifinal at 7:00.
I miss the magic of NYD. Rose Bowl and Playoffs on that day would be outstanding!

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 02:45:08 PM
Your bit about being in your element here would work better if you could get the facts right in your so-called area of "expertise."
To wit:
- Disney does not own ESPN completely. Disney owns approximately 80 percent of ESPN. Hearst Communications owns the other 20 percent, as it has since the early 1990s. This arrangement is the only reason for what phony walls exist between ABC and ESPN ... and those have been getting thinner and thinner.
- Who owns the actual affiliates is totally irrelevant to what programming the network produces and airs. It has nothing to do with this conversation.

On everything that matters, ABC Sports and ESPN are the same entity ... same league rights, same production staffs, same broadcasters, same decision makers. Heck, ESPN and ABC Sports had the same president.
Read this interview with that president, George Bodenheimer, and note how he consistently speaks of ABC Sports and ESPN as a joint unit, and never as separate entities.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/espn-and-abc-sports-president-george-bodenheimer

ABC is SUPPLEMENTAL to ESPN.  There is a reason for this, and most of it is contractual in nature.   Who owns the affiliates absolutely matters because of pre-emption allowances.  A non-owned ABC station can choose not to put on ABC programming in certain situations, including sports....ESPN would never do that because they cannot.  So yes, the control of it matters.

ABC Sports, currently, is a DIVISION OF ABC NETWORK.  NOT ESPN.  They are separate units.  PERIOD.  It is why on George's card (i'll happily scan it and publish here if you wish) he was the President of BOTH....as in BOTH are called out.  If they were one unit, he would simply be the President of ESPN Sports, but they have chosen for the time being to keep both entities separate, and cross-brand promote even if they share in some areas.  At some point I actually expect them to do away with the ABC Sports brand, but as of today in 2019 that is not the case.  And though they share in SOME production and SOME other areas, they do not do so entirely. Jimmy Pitaro will ultimately make that call with George.  As Broadcasters' power changes, that will become an easier decision for them to make.

Hearst...my apologies.  They are a silent partner in the strictest sense and had been talking to Hearst to sell off a bunch of their assets, including co-owned.  Assets like A&E Networks some AMC holdings, etc. As part of the Disney Fox sell-off, including RSN divestiture it was my understanding ESPN was part of that, but maybe Hearst still owns a chunk. I can tell you when you deal with ESPN that Hearst isn't even on the radar.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
I miss the magic of NYD. Rose Bowl and Playoffs on that day would be outstanding!

That’s it. It’s fine keeping the Rose on NYD or Jan. 2 those select years but the day would be amazing with the playoffs there every year
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
ABC is SUPPLEMENTAL to ESPN.  There is a reason for this, and most of it is contractual in nature.   Who owns the affiliates absolutely matters because of pre-emption allowances.  A non-owned ABC station can choose not to put on ABC programming in certain situations, including sports....ESPN would never do that because they cannot.  So yes, the control of it matters.

ABC Sports, currently, is a DIVISION OF ABC NETWORK.  NOT ESPN.  They are separate units.  PERIOD.  It is why on George's card (i'll happily scan it and publish here if you wish) he was the President of BOTH....as in BOTH are called out.  If they were one unit, he would simply be the President of ESPN Sports, but they have chosen for the time being to keep both entities separate, and cross-brand promote even if they share in some areas.  At some point I actually expect them to do away with the ABC Sports brand, but as of today in 2019 that is not the case.  And though they share in SOME production and SOME other areas, they do not do so entirely. Jimmy Pitaro will ultimately make that call with George.  As Broadcasters' power changes, that will become an easier decision for them to make.

Hearst...my apologies.  They are a silent partner in the strictest sense and had been talking to Hearst to sell off a bunch of their assets, including co-owned.  Assets like A&E Networks some AMC holdings, etc. As part of the Disney Fox sell-off, including RSN divestiture it was my understanding ESPN was part of that, but maybe Hearst still owns a chunk. I can tell you when you deal with ESPN that Hearst isn't even on the radar.

Cheeks ... I'll keep this simple for you and say no more.
The reason why ABC Sports and ESPN exist separately in name only is a result of the big fact you got wrong here ... Hearst's partial ownership of ESPN. While Disney owns all of ABC, it owns just 80 percent of ESPN, and therefore needs some "on the books" separation to address the issues therein.
But this is nothing more than a bookkeeping matter. It in no way affects anything that matters in terms of the operations of ESPN/ABC as a sole entity, and certainly nothing that matters concerning ESPN's coverage of college football, which is what this discussion is about.

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Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on December 30, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
That’s it. It’s fine keeping the Rose on NYD or Jan. 2 those select years but the day would be amazing with the playoffs there every year

I'd also enjoy the playoffs being on NYD. Personally, the only day I hate the playoffs being on is NYE. I hope that experiment has ended for good.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 03:54:28 PM
Cheeks ... I'll keep this simple for you and say no more.
The reason why ABC Sports and ESPN exist separately in name only is a result of the big fact you got wrong here ... Hearst's partial ownership of ESPN. While Disney owns all of ABC, it owns just 80 percent of ESPN, and therefore needs some "on the books" separation to address the issues therein.
But this is nothing more than a bookkeeping matter. It in no way affects anything that matters in terms of the operations of ESPN/ABC as a sole entity, and certainly nothing that matters concerning ESPN's coverage of college football, which is what this discussion is about.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/5572f413d16675ebff062409abe8b2d6/tumblr_muztjfouOf1rlbc16o3_400.gifv)

I sent this over to a VP at ESPN that I work with on a near daily basis....his best part of his response

"What lesson does he think he is teaching...something at Trump U?". 


There is a lot of cross over, but it is not in NAME ONLY as you keep saying.   There is a reason why leadership oversees both entities, with to resources to bear for both brands.  Sales and Marketing are unified under one umbrella, but there are dedicated people that ONLY touch ESPN on ABC and those that only deal with ESPN by itself, as an example.

Where we agree Pakuni, this is absolutely a marketing brand consolidation and has been for a decade and a half.  ESPN essentially surpassed ABC Sports long ago, and ABC Sports took a back seat as a result.  The gorilla brand became king...that's why the rebranding.  Companies integrate cross-branding all the time now, and Disney was one of the first and best at it.  The launch of Disney Plus and their integration on ESPN, ABC, all the Disney networks was a classic example.  Comcast Universal with their merger did an amazing job at it and continue to.   But as long as they have dedicated people working on each in some areas, your claim that it is in name only is wrong.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 30, 2019, 04:13:30 PM
There's always an anonymous expert on standby ready to agree.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
I sent this over to a VP at ESPN that I work with on a near daily basis....his best part of his response

"What lesson does he think he is teaching...something at Trump U?". 


There is a lot of cross over, but it is not in NAME ONLY as you keep saying.   There is a reason why leadership oversees both entities, with to resources to bear for both brands.  Sales and Marketing are unified under one umbrella, but there are dedicated people that ONLY touch ESPN on ABC and those that only deal with ESPN by itself, as an example.

Where we agree Pakuni, this is absolutely a marketing brand consolidation and has been for a decade and a half.  ESPN essentially surpassed ABC Sports long ago, and ABC Sports took a back seat as a result.  The gorilla brand became king...that's why the rebranding.  Companies integrate cross-branding all the time now, and Disney was one of the first and best at it.  The launch of Disney Plus and their integration on ESPN, ABC, all the Disney networks was a classic example.  Comcast Universal with their merger did an amazing job at it and continue to.   But as long as they have dedicated people working on each in some areas, your claim that it is in name only is wrong.

Lol
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on December 30, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
There's always an anonymous expert on standby ready to agree.

Great. Now we’re going to get a new persona creating an account, great job.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on December 30, 2019, 06:01:32 PM
I sent this over to a VP at ESPN that I work with on a near daily basis....his best part of his response

"What lesson does he think he is teaching...something at Trump U?". 


There is a lot of cross over, but it is not in NAME ONLY as you keep saying.   There is a reason why leadership oversees both entities, with to resources to bear for both brands.  Sales and Marketing are unified under one umbrella, but there are dedicated people that ONLY touch ESPN on ABC and those that only deal with ESPN by itself, as an example.

Where we agree Pakuni, this is absolutely a marketing brand consolidation and has been for a decade and a half.  ESPN essentially surpassed ABC Sports long ago, and ABC Sports took a back seat as a result.  The gorilla brand became king...that's why the rebranding.  Companies integrate cross-branding all the time now, and Disney was one of the first and best at it.  The launch of Disney Plus and their integration on ESPN, ABC, all the Disney networks was a classic example.  Comcast Universal with their merger did an amazing job at it and continue to.   But as long as they have dedicated people working on each in some areas, your claim that it is in name only is wrong.

You sent a post from MUScoop over to a person you work with from ESPN?  LOL!  You must be a blast to work with!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 30, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
You sent a post from MUScoop over to a person you work with from ESPN?  LOL!  You must be a blast to work with!
Not the first time he sent a post from scoop to former employers.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 06:34:28 PM
You sent a post from MUScoop over to a person you work with from ESPN?  LOL!  You must be a blast to work with!

He and I are tight, friends for 25 years.... an expert.... if I don't know something about a certain topic that someone else does then I go to that expert.  Pretty simple.  Did I send the link...no.  I cut and pasted to him in an email along with the clever animated gif.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 06:35:32 PM
There's always an anonymous expert on standby ready to agree.

Like 10,000 economists...just sitting ready to back one of your positions...right?  LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
Not the first time he sent a post from scoop to former employers.

Ooh, please tell more...looking forward to hearing this.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 30, 2019, 08:18:41 PM
Ooh, please tell more...looking forward to hearing this.
seem to recall reading on here about Fred Glass and Crean on a plane.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 08:41:17 PM
seem to recall reading on here about Fred Glass and Crean on a plane.

Yup, Fred and I have conversed on and off over the years.....yes, Fred set the record straight on that.  The accusation was Crean and Glass were talking trash on a plane about Cody Zeller to Omaha for the college world series.  Well, having worked for Crean and knowing Fred, I reached out to him.  Pretty simple.  If one of my friends was being trashed publicly about something I thought was untrue, I'd reach out to them, too.  What was stated here was false, Glass and Crean never flew together to Omaha and he set the record straight.

Fred is retiring after this upcoming academic year.  He has strong ties to MU as his dad went to MU and one of their kids did as well. 

It seems Wades and others are concerned that I reach out to friends, colleagues, people with relationships when seeking the truth or clarity.  I'm not sure why that would be the case, unless they are nervous their claims will be clarified or corrected.  Who knows.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2019, 09:02:04 PM
Oh My Freakin’ God.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 10:42:04 PM
Oh My Freakin’ God.

Oh Lenny, you already had your say on this one prior...do you not recall?  Is this double jeopardy outrage by you?   ;)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 06:35:40 AM
USC looked bad.  They miss Pete Carroll
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 31, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
Yup, Fred and I have conversed on and off over the years.....yes, Fred set the record straight on that.  The accusation was Crean and Glass were talking trash on a plane about Cody Zeller to Omaha for the college world series.  Well, having worked for Crean and knowing Fred, I reached out to him.  Pretty simple.  If one of my friends was being trashed publicly about something I thought was untrue, I'd reach out to them, too.  What was stated here was false, Glass and Crean never flew together to Omaha and he set the record straight.

Fred is retiring after this upcoming academic year.  He has strong ties to MU as his dad went to MU and one of their kids did as well. 

It seems Wades and others are concerned that I reach out to friends, colleagues, people with relationships when seeking the truth or clarity.  I'm not sure why that would be the case, unless they are nervous their claims will be clarified or corrected.  Who knows.
Revisionist history. I seem to remember it as Crean was talking to donors on the plane about Zeller's bad performance, and you reached out to Glass at that point. What do you think he was going to say to you?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 31, 2019, 08:30:36 AM
Yup, Fred and I have conversed on and off over the years.....yes, Fred set the record straight on that.  The accusation was Crean and Glass were talking trash on a plane about Cody Zeller to Omaha for the college world series.  Well, having worked for Crean and knowing Fred, I reached out to him.  Pretty simple.  If one of my friends was being trashed publicly about something I thought was untrue, I'd reach out to them, too.  What was stated here was false, Glass and Crean never flew together to Omaha and he set the record straight.

Fred is retiring after this upcoming academic year.  He has strong ties to MU as his dad went to MU and one of their kids did as well. 

It seems Wades and others are concerned that I reach out to friends, colleagues, people with relationships when seeking the truth or clarity.  I'm not sure why that would be the case, unless they are nervous their claims will be clarified or corrected.  Who knows.

This is a cry for help (consciously or subconsciously), and I sincerely hope you receive the help you need.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:11:27 AM
USC looked bad.  They miss Pete Carroll

The 49ers are thankful for St. Pete’s incompetence on Sunday night....as are the Patriots. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:25:48 AM
Revisionist history. I seem to remember it as Crean was talking to donors on the plane about Zeller's bad performance, and you reached out to Glass at that point. What do you think he was going to say to you?

Revisionist....I'm sure you will apologize now after reading what the claim was and your memory needs a boost.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39106.msg502384#msg502384

"Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it."


I reached out to Fred because of the comment made that he was on the flight and there in the presence of all this yapping.  I did it as an IU alum and as someone that knew Fred.   What did Fred say....exactly what he did...he wasn't on any plane with Crean or donors to Omaha. The entire comment was a lie which he was glad to dispel.   Hopefully this helped your memory.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 31, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
Revisionist....I'm sure you will apologize now after reading what the claim was and your memory needs a boost.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39106.msg502384#msg502384

"Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it."


I reached out to Fred because of the comment made that he was on the flight and there in the presence of all this yapping.  I did it as an IU alum and as someone that knew Fred.   What did Fred say....exactly what he did...he wasn't on any plane with Crean or donors to Omaha. The entire comment was a lie which he was glad to dispel.   Hopefully this helped your memory.

1. What do you expect Fred to say?

2. There is enough wriggle-room in that statement to allow him to say that and be the truth.

3. We have no reason to believe you're telling the truth anyway because you have a history of exaggeration and lying on here.

Not saying that it happened, but if you think your statement proves something to the rest of Scoop, well it doesn't.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:33:52 AM
1. What do you expect Fred to say?

2. There is enough wriggle-room in that statement to allow him to say that and be the truth.

3. We have no reason to believe you're telling the truth anyway because you have a history of exaggeration and lying on here.

Not saying that it happened, but if you think your statement proves something to the rest of Scoop, well it doesn't.

Excuse me, the direct comment was HE WAS ON A PLANE WITH CREAN WHO WAS DISPARRAGING A PLAYER.   The person accused of being on the plane said flat out he wasn't on ANY private plane let alone with donors or Crean to Omaha.   What do I expect him to say....the truth.  What wiggle room exists based on the facts of the charge?  LOL.   

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 31, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Excuse me, the direct comment was HE WAS ON A PLANE WITH CREAN WHO WAS DISPARRAGING A PLAYER.   The person accused of being on the plane said flat out he wasn't on ANY private plane let alone with donors or Crean to Omaha.   What do I expect him to say....the truth.  What wiggle room exists based on the facts of the charge?  LOL.   

Why would I expect him to tell you the truth?  Why would I expect you to tell us the truth?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 09:38:44 AM
The 49ers are thankful for St. Pete’s incompetence on Sunday night....as are the Patriots.

No idea what that has to do with USC being mediocre under mediocre coaches.  Pete was a winner at USC
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 31, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
No idea what that has to do with USC being mediocre under mediocre coaches.  Pete was a winner at USC

He's also a winner in the NFL. Eight consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances in 10 of his 14 pro seasons, in fact.
Despite his obvious incompetence, I guess.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:47:16 AM
No idea what that has to do with USC being mediocre under mediocre coaches.  Pete was a winner at USC

He was also a cheater at USC and got out of USC as the noose was tightening.  St. Pete
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
Why would I expect him to tell you the truth?  Why would I expect you to tell us the truth?


It was a public email on his public account, from a state entity so he could be subject to a records disclosure as a state employee. 
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 09:53:27 AM
He's also a winner in the NFL. Eight consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances in 10 of his 14 pro seasons, in fact.
Despite his obvious incompetence, I guess.

Yup, he is a good coach and winner in the NFL.  That doesn't mean he can't be incompetent in key moments that cost teams wins....both are possible.  Hell, Jason Garrett is a winner in the NFL (has a winning record).  Mike McCarthy has a Super Bowl ring as a coach...he was a winner, too...he was also incompetent at times that likely cost them another title (Seattle game, Giants game, etc)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on December 31, 2019, 10:03:36 AM
Revisionist....I'm sure you will apologize now after reading what the claim was and your memory needs a boost.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39106.msg502384#msg502384

"Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it."


I reached out to Fred because of the comment made that he was on the flight and there in the presence of all this yapping.  I did it as an IU alum and as someone that knew Fred.   What did Fred say....exactly what he did...he wasn't on any plane with Crean or donors to Omaha. The entire comment was a lie which he was glad to dispel.   Hopefully this helped your memory.
nowhere in there  did it say Glass was involved.  I dont believe you on what you say yoir motives where. I believe you were trying to defend Crean. I find it hard to believe the AD didnt go to the CWS
 Done arguing. Happy New Year
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 10:42:51 AM
He was also a cheater at USC and got out of USC as the noose was tightening.  St. Pete

They obviously don’t care since they keep hiring his former assistants
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 10:49:41 AM
USC made things worse by hiding from the NCAA.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 10:50:26 AM
NYE

Tuesday, December, 31st
Belk Bowl  : Kentucky vs. Virginia Tech   11:00 am   ESPN

Sun Bowl  : Arizona State vs. Florida State   1:00 pm   CBS

Liberty Bowl  : Kansas State vs. Navy   2:45 pm   ESPN

Arizona Bowl: Georgia State vs. Wyoming   3:30 pm   CBSSN

Alamo Bowl  : Texas vs. Utah   6:30 pm   ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 31, 2019, 12:47:59 PM

It was a public email on his public account, from a state entity so he could be subject to a records disclosure as a state employee. 

Exactly.  Which is why he has incentive to not give the full story.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
nowhere in there  did it say Glass was involved.  I dont believe you on what you say yoir motives where. I believe you were trying to defend Crean. I find it hard to believe the AD didnt go to the CWS
 Done arguing. Happy New Year

The AD DID go to the CWS.  The AD DID NOT go on a private plane to CWS with CREAN, as Indeelaw alleged.  Please read.  You should be done arguing, because you are simply wrong on this one.  READ what was said.

My motives....I'm an IU alumnus...I worked for Crean...I know Fred....three reasons.  The story sounded wrong, I verified it from the source.  It was wrong.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 01:02:10 PM
Exactly.  Which is why he has incentive to not give the full story.

And public records can indicate how he traveled and who he traveled with, too.  These are gov't employees, your kind of people Fluff...you should be embracing everything they said.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 01:36:37 PM
They obviously don’t care since they keep hiring his former assistants

USC has a long history of not caring when it comes to NCAA stuff, and more than likely that hasn't helped them when they do get in trouble.  Last I checked they have been placed on major probation 7 times, only 5 schools had more in NCAA history.  They do what they do.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 31, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
USC has a long history of not caring when it comes to NCAA stuff, and more than likely that hasn't helped them when they do get in trouble.  Last I checked they have been placed on major probation 7 times, only 5 schools had more in NCAA history.  They do what they do.

It hasn't exactly hurt them either.
Placed on probation in 2010 ... Finished ranked in the top 10 the next year (but couldn't go to a bowl)
Placed on probation in 2001 ... Finished ranked in the Top 5 every year between 2002 and 2008, including two national titles.
Placed on probation in 1986 ... Won the Pac 10 from 1987-89; finished ranked top 10 in '88 and '89.
Placed on probation in 1982 ... Suffered a losing season and were back in the Rose Bowl and top 10 in 1984.

Cheating pays.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 02:37:13 PM
It hasn't exactly hurt them either.
Placed on probation in 2010 ... Finished ranked in the top 10 the next year (but couldn't go to a bowl)
Placed on probation in 2001 ... Finished ranked in the Top 5 every year between 2002 and 2008, including two national titles.
Placed on probation in 1986 ... Won the Pac 10 from 1987-89; finished ranked top 10 in '88 and '89.
Placed on probation in 1982 ... Suffered a losing season and were back in the Rose Bowl and top 10 in 1984.

Cheating pays.

It can pay, short term and even long term if you believe every conspiracy theorist that Duke or others do nothing but cheat....of course USC has been in the wilderness since the last cheating cycle based on their heights when they were cheating and where they are now (please don't start with being ranked 21st and winning 8 games is the same as being ranked top 3 nearly every year while cheating - no comparison and fraudulent argument). 

I'm also not sure SMU would agree with you on if cheating pays.  Isn't a universal outcome as we all can find examples of schools that recovered...eventually...and schools that still haven't gotten back to the zenith days of when they did cheat.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on December 31, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
I'm also not sure SMU would agree with you on if cheating pays.  Isn't a universal outcome as we all can find examples of schools that recovered...eventually...and schools that still haven't gotten back to the zenith days of when they did cheat.

The fact that SMU is the only program you can name that suffered long-term consequences as a result of NCAA punishment - and that occurred more than three decades ago - is all anyone needs to know to understand the NCA does not - nor does it want to - stop cheating and other illegal and unethical behavior within its sports programs.

Heck, the leaders of Baylor's basketball program tried to cover up the circumstances of a murder ... and five years later were back in the top 25.
The leaders of Baylor's football program covered up rapes ... and four years later are a top 10 program.
Louisville bought strippers and hookers for recruits. Four years after that was revealed, they're the #1 team in the country.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 31, 2019, 03:00:10 PM
I’m not really sure that the death penalty is entirely to blame for SMU football’s problems either.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Jables1604 on December 31, 2019, 04:12:24 PM
It can pay, short term and even long term if you believe every conspiracy theorist that Duke or others do nothing but cheat....of course USC has been in the wilderness since the last cheating cycle based on their heights when they were cheating and where they are now (please don't start with being ranked 21st and winning 8 games is the same as being ranked top 3 nearly every year while cheating - no comparison and fraudulent argument). 

I'm also not sure SMU would agree with you on if cheating pays.  Isn't a universal outcome as we all can find examples of schools that recovered...eventually...and schools that still haven't gotten back to the zenith days of when they did cheat.

You take this week off too?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 04:55:27 PM
I’m not really sure that the death penalty is entirely to blame for SMU football’s problems either.
When the SWC broke up in 1995, that did not help.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 05:05:03 PM
When the SWC broke up in 1995, that did not help.

The death penalty was the biggest cause.  Without it, it’s possible the Big 12 takes them over Baylor or Texas Tech.  What’s more appealing?  Dallas or Lubbock or Waco as a market.  They were still toxic in 1996.  They almost certainly would have had more money to throw around at the outset of the Big XII to be strongly considered
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 31, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
They took Tech because it was a public university and UT and A&M had to drag them along. They took Baylor because it was Ann Richards Alma Mater and she was governor at the time.

SMU and TCU were in the same boat and ended up in the same conference - WAC.  TCU made good coaching decisions and managed their way back to P5 football. SMU did not.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
Wednesday, January, 1st
Citrus Bowl  : Alabama vs. Michigan   12:00 pm   ABC

Outback Bowl:   Auburn vs. Minnesota   12:00 pm   ESPN

Rose Bowl  : Oregon vs. Wisconsin   4:00 pm   ESPN

Sugar Bowl  : Baylor vs. Georgia   7:45 pm   ESPN


Thursday, January, 2nd
Birmingham Bowl  : Boston College vs. Cincinnati   2:00 pm   ESPN

Gator Bowl  : Indiana vs. Tennessee   6:00 pm   ESPN
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 12:52:34 PM
I’m not really sure that the death penalty is entirely to blame for SMU football’s problems either.

Entirely...no....the overwhelming majority...yes.   Some great documentaries on the subject.  The financial impact, their inability to attract the right coaches and players, conference situation, the school needing to cleanse itself and decisions of prioritization, etc.

SMU decided properly they were a university first, not a football team first after this.  Something many other schools and fans should remember
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2020, 01:10:53 PM
Entirely...no....the overwhelming majority...yes.   Some great documentaries on the subject.  The financial impact, their inability to attract the right coaches and players, conference situation, the school needing to cleanse itself and decisions of prioritization, etc.

SMU decided properly they were a university first, not a football team first after this.  Something many other schools and fans should remember

So they sucked for a long time, then cheated and got really good. Then they got caught and decided not to cheat anymore and have sucked (again) ever since. And the moral of the story is...?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 01:23:54 PM
So they sucked for a long time, then cheated and got really good. Then they got caught and decided not to cheat anymore and have sucked (again) ever since. And the moral of the story is...?

They had period of being very good, periods of not being good...I hope you are not suggesting they sucked for a long time and suddenly during that one era were good....that is not true.

That said, they cheated in over drive, got caught and paid dearly.  USC hasn’t been the same level, but I’m sure they will get back there some day.  Will they do it without cheating?  Can give you many other examples of schools that went into swoons for a decade or longer recovering from cheating.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 07:41:34 PM
I love exhibition football in Pasadena.

Happy for Herbert, stayed senior year and led his home town team to a Rose Bowl victory.

Everyone fly safely back to Wisconsin, thank you for spending money here.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2020, 08:24:39 PM
Very entertaining Rose Bowl as is always the case. Turnovers were a killer for Bucky.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
The Badgers have made 4 Rose Bowls in the past 10 years. They have lost all 4 by a combined total of 16 points.

They went 3-0 in a seven year span from 1994-2000 by a combined 20 points.

They went 0-3 during 1953-1963 stretch.

Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: PTM on January 01, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
Ugh. Never bet Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on January 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
my mistake
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 02, 2020, 12:18:02 AM
my mistake


Supposed to be on the Badgers board and logs in on Marquette board....yes, that is definitely a mistake. LOL
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mutaman on January 02, 2020, 12:53:34 AM

Supposed to be on the Badgers board and logs in on Marquette board....yes, that is definitely a mistake. LOL

And when you made the same false speculation (you lied) on the Al board, and i challenged you to find these Badger boards, your response was "No thanks".
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 02, 2020, 08:41:26 AM
And when you made the same false speculation (you lied) on the Al board, and i challenged you to find these Badger boards, your response was "No thanks".

I said no thanks for the entire bundle of nonsense that was offered including the bet.  Are you denying being a Badger fan now?  Yes or no?  Are you saying I lied about you being a Badger fan?  Oh really....LOl
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 09, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Mike Leach will leave Washington State for Mississippi State HC job.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
Mike Leach will leave Washington State for Mississippi State HC job.


Which means the Egg Bowl, which is one of the most underrated rivalries in all of college football, will be between Leach and Lane Kiffin.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2020, 12:46:47 PM
Mike Leach will leave Washington State for Mississippi State HC job.

I like Mike Leach, but think this is a bad move for him and Mississippi State.
Not sure if his coaching style or personality with play in the Deep South and the SEC West isn't getting any easier.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 09, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
 8-)

https://twitter.com/CFBHome/status/1215338750114398216
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2020, 05:51:33 PM
I like Mike Leach, but think this is a bad move for him and Mississippi State.
Not sure if his coaching style or personality with play in the Deep South and the SEC West isn't getting any easier.

Beyond that, Miss St has set themselves up as an RPO style team for years now. They don’t have the personnel to easily pivot to the air raid. It’s going to take a couple years to adjust and get talent.  Meanwhile Kiffin has a really talented QB who played well as a true freshman and even though he ran a ton, he passed for 5000+ yards in HS. Kiffin is gonna make him a star IMO.  Miss St clearly is impatient about success and I think Ole Miss is far better set up in the near term
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 13, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
So, who is winning tonight?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on January 13, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
So, who is winning tonight?

I have the Tigers winning.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Warrior Code on January 13, 2020, 12:59:34 PM
I have the Tigers winning.

Interesting. I have the Tigers losing!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on January 13, 2020, 01:06:27 PM
I have the Tigers winning.

Go Tigers ... or Geaux Tigers?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on January 13, 2020, 01:07:53 PM
Go Tigers ... or Geaux Tigers?

*Gheaux Tighahs.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2020, 06:34:30 PM
I think LSU is the better all-around team, but I just can't shake the feeling that Clemson having been here before so many times, having to work hard to pull out their semifinal win, having the guy who I think will be the better pro QB, plus getting 5 1/2 points ...

Clemson in the upset.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 13, 2020, 07:31:23 PM
Had a good feeling about LSU until Booger McFarland came out for the coin toss.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 13, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
These teams are fast
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUBurrow on January 13, 2020, 07:41:13 PM
Anybody else having trouble with the ESPN app?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: hairy worthen on January 13, 2020, 07:45:59 PM
These teams are fast
An NFL team could draft only lsu and clemson players and come out in very good shape
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Cheeks on January 13, 2020, 08:24:56 PM
OSU was robbed
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: cheebs09 on January 13, 2020, 08:31:58 PM
Anybody else having trouble with the ESPN app?

I’m doing fine on it, but it’s a running joke with my friends this is the worst night for the app. We usually have trouble with it for the National Championship.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MUDish on January 13, 2020, 08:39:04 PM
Etienne reminds me so much of Kamara.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
Anybody else having trouble with the ESPN app?

Yep, kept saying "server down." Missed entire first quarter.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 13, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
Many streamers without cable?
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on January 13, 2020, 10:40:36 PM
OSU was robbed

Yeah they robbed themselves a couple of times. First they let the no good, terrible, horrendous, joke of a Badger program hang around with them in the B1G title game which allowed LSU to jump them for the 1 seed and forced O$U to play the overhyped Clemson Tigers instead of Oklahoma, where they blew a 16 point lead. Don’t see that often from the best team in the country, but alas.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2020, 10:41:36 PM
Burrow is a great college QB, obviously, and might turn out to be a great pro. But boy, that LSU offense sure gives him some incredible weapons at his disposal. Those receivers ... wow!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: manesworld on January 13, 2020, 11:16:08 PM
I’m sure in a few years I’ll look back and have been wrong, but for my money I thought Burrow > Lawrence, and nothing I saw tonight changed that for me.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2020, 09:09:14 AM
So, with another national champion, 8-2 bowl record and four teams in the top 10, safe to say it's still SEC >>>> everyone else.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2020, 09:29:25 AM
I’m sure in a few years I’ll look back and have been wrong, but for my money I thought Burrow > Lawrence, and nothing I saw tonight changed that for me.

I'll admit I didn't ... but I'm now wavering. He's so accurate, and he makes great decisions about when to escape the pocket. Really love watching him play.

He arguably had the greatest season any college QB has ever had. I wish him success. I just hope he survives his first year or two on a Bengals team that would have had trouble beating this year's Bayou Bengals!
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 14, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
So, with another national champion, 8-2 bowl record and four teams in the top 10, safe to say it's still SEC >>>> everyone else.

Top heavy is the best in the country. Top to bottom, not so like in years past.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2020, 10:48:00 AM
Top heavy is the best in the country. Top to bottom, not so like in years past.

Still the best, going by teams in Sagarin's top 50.
SEC - 9 teams
Big 10 - 8
Pac 12 - 7
Big 12 - 7
AAC - 5
ACC - 4
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 14, 2020, 11:06:17 AM
Still the best, going by teams in Sagarin's top 50.
SEC - 9 teams
Big 10 - 8
Pac 12 - 7
Big 12 - 7
AAC - 5
ACC - 4

Correct. I just think the schedule are not the same. The Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 are playing 9 conference games, while the ACC & SEC play 8. So, some coaches in the SEC that say every game week in and week out is a bear is over the top for many, when you look at their non conference schedules.

This man will be in his glory again.


(http://s5.gifyu.com/images/paul-finebaum.gif)
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on January 15, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Joe Burrow's interview on Pardon My Take was referenced in the other thread related to the Odell situation, but his entire interview was great and highlights part of the reason that team was so good and what Coach O brings.  Also, his attitude would have me giddy as a Bengals fan.

"Was there a big pump up speech?
"Nah, we knew what we had to do.  Coach O told us as much, so we just didn't say much to each other and just went out there and started playing football."

"What about at halftime?"
"Nope, we sat, chilled, drank our water and said that we knew these guys couldnt mess with us"

Burrow: He realizes it wont always work in the NFL, but he has utmost confidence in hisability to make a play, and thats why hes so fluid and fearless improvising.  "We talk in meetings about reading defenses and making blitz pickups, and I'm good at that, but I always say...even if I don't pick it up and it breaks down...they still gotta tackle me back there, and they can't often do that"

Burrow: "24 reps. My goal out of HS was to break Brady Quinn's bench press record at the combine.  But its probably not worth it to try".

Also was making fun of himself for being so old and that it wasn't fair that he got to ball out against these young 18 year old kids.  Love this dude.  Baker was/is entertaining but Burrow seems so much more natural and understated with his swagger.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on January 16, 2020, 09:17:28 AM
Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.



Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 16, 2020, 10:08:13 AM
Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.


I think for a school like Missouri State, hiring Petrino is well worth the risk.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 16, 2020, 10:14:56 AM
Just keep away from the volleyball team.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on January 16, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.

"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 16, 2020, 10:34:05 AM
I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on January 16, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.

And if he gets a "better" opportunity after a year? That is a factor when making a hire like this. You are making the point. How long would he stay? Long enough to have multiple years of success? He might. He might not.
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Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 16, 2020, 11:20:39 AM
"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.

plus, many GA positions are one year gigs anyway.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: lawdog77 on January 16, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.
Lay off the fighting trees. You know who coached at Indiana State?  Sean Payton
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on January 16, 2020, 11:43:58 AM
I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.

One of the articles I read, not sure if its the same, called the outgoing coach "a really good man" and lauded the risks he took coming to Missouri St, which is an odd eulogy for a coach who won 13 games in 5 years and never won more than 2 in conference.

And if he gets a "better" opportunity after a year? That is a factor when making a hire like this. You are making the point. How long would he stay? Long enough to have multiple years of success? He might. He might not.

Again, he only left a HC gig after a year once, at WKU.  You can't use the job hopping of a 20 something in the coaching hinterlands (where your windows to move up are often small and very competitive) to what a HC would do.  How long will he stay? His track record says 3-4 years in which he will remake a program like he did at Lville and Arkansas.  Hell, even at WKU, he improved the program in a year and set the groundwork which he handed off to Jeff Brohm to carry on.

If you're a program that won 1 game last year, and hasn't won more than 4 in YEARS.  If your new coach is hired away after a season, that means something INSANE happened with your program, he did an incredible job, and you're likely much better off for it.  Petrino didn't get a job after he was let go from Louisville after last season.  Him going 6-6 at Missouri State in Year 1 isn't going to bring a rush of marquee offers.  If they go 7-5, and 9-3 and he leaves?  Missouri State shouldn't complain and say their worries were justified, they should give him a plaque.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on January 16, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
One of the articles I read, not sure if its the same, called the outgoing coach "a really good man" and lauded the risks he took coming to Missouri St, which is an odd eulogy for a coach who won 13 games in 5 years and never won more than 2 in conference.

Again, he only left a HC gig after a year once, at WKU.  You can't use the job hopping of a 20 something in the coaching hinterlands (where your windows to move up are often small and very competitive) to what a HC would do.  How long will he stay? His track record says 3-4 years in which he will remake a program like he did at Lville and Arkansas.  Hell, even at WKU, he improved the program in a year and set the groundwork which he handed off to Jeff Brohm to carry on.

If you're a program that won 1 game last year, and hasn't won more than 4 in YEARS.  If your new coach is hired away after a season, that means something INSANE happened with your program, he did an incredible job, and you're likely much better off for it.  Petrino didn't get a job after he was let go from Louisville after last season.  Him going 6-6 at Missouri State in Year 1 isn't going to bring a rush of marquee offers.  If they go 7-5, and 9-3 and he leaves?  Missouri State shouldn't complain and say their worries were justified, they should give him a plaque.

The previous coach, (Steckel) was very popular as a person and as a coach. He didn’t have success at MO St. in his 5 seasons as head coach.

Previously at Mizzou, he was coming off of back to back 1st place SEC East Finishes and New Year’s Bowl wins. 23 wins the prior two seasons, as Associate Head Coach and D Coordinator there. The article is saying that he had other options but chose to go there to be a head coach and try to get it going there.
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: JWags85 on January 16, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
The previous coach, (Steckel) was very popular as a person and as a coach. He didn’t have success at MO St. in his 5 seasons as head coach.

Previously at Mizzou, he was coming off of back to back 1st place SEC East Finishes and New Year’s Bowl wins. 23 wins the prior two seasons, as Associate Head Coach and D Coordinator there. The article is saying that he had other options but chose to go there to be a head coach and try to get it going there.

Thats all fine and good, and he may be a great guy, but he objectively STUNK at his job.  And other options, sure, but he was in his mid-50s and had been a coordinator at, at the time, a good to very good program for 5 years.  If he was so "in demand", he wouldn't have to go to a low level FCS school for a HC gig.

Using anything about him as a negative or caution against Petrino just says that person doesn't care much about the program's success.  As a sportswriter, means you just want your buddy thats a good interview and fun guy, not someone that is going to turn the program around.  Dukiet vs Kevin O'Neill
Title: Re: College Football is back
Post by: shoothoops on January 16, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Thats all fine and good, and he may be a great guy, but he objectively STUNK at his job.  And other options, sure, but he was in his mid-50s and had been a coordinator at, at the time, a good to very good program for 5 years.  If he was so "in demand", he wouldn't have to go to a low level FCS school for a HC gig.

Using anything about him as a negative or caution against Petrino just says that person doesn't care much about the program's success.  As a sportswriter, means you just want your buddy thats a good interview and fun guy, not someone that is going to turn the program around.  Dukiet vs Kevin O'Neill

Again, I can’t really comment more as you didn’t share the article or author. But it’s pretty common for media or others to say the fired coach was a good person, just didn’t work out for him, had other other options at the time, but chose to go there, etc....unless an author more specifically compared him to Petrino, it sounds pretty routine.