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Author Topic: College Football is back  (Read 18098 times)

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #550 on: December 01, 2019, 06:16:15 PM »
Clay Helton has not been fired (yet?).
Charlie Strong has, in fact, been fired.

But the media said it was true.   :o  SI reporting he got fired, school denies it.  #fakenewsForNow?

Charlie Strong, a little surprised he made it this long.  Seems like a good man, perhaps more asst coach material.
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #551 on: December 01, 2019, 06:29:59 PM »
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #552 on: December 01, 2019, 07:13:08 PM »
But the media said it was true.   :o  SI reporting he got fired, school denies it.  #fakenewsForNow?

So you're saying that in a rush to publish information for public consumption someone didn't make sure they had their facts straight?
Shame on anyone who would do that.

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #553 on: December 01, 2019, 07:26:40 PM »
Matt Luke out at Ole Miss.
Given the mess Hugh Freeze left for him, not sure what more could have been reasonably expected of him.

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #554 on: December 01, 2019, 08:02:30 PM »
Matt Luke out at Ole Miss.
Given the mess Hugh Freeze left for him, not sure what more could have been reasonably expected of him.


What do reasonable expectations have to do with SEC football?
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #555 on: December 01, 2019, 08:57:22 PM »
What do reasonable expectations have to do with SEC football?

Fair point.

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #556 on: December 02, 2019, 08:19:03 AM »
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.

I think Strong was in a favorable situation in Louisville. Relatively strong program with some remnants of what Petrine built but other much in the way of expectations, tons of monetary support, soft conference. Texas was a terrible fit.

I actually think USF did the right thing. Same thing happened with Skip Holtz. Once they saw it was going in the wrong direction and early success was based on the previous regime set up, they moved on. Strong took over a really strong setup from Taggert and fell off quickly

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #557 on: December 02, 2019, 08:35:02 AM »
Strong didn't follow Petrino.  He followed Steve Kragthorpe, who was 15-21 his three years as head coach.  Strong won there because he pulled in a lot of Florida talent, including Teddy Bridgewater.  He was supposed to replicate that at Texas, but obviously didn't.  It kind of fell apart for him at USF.  I agree with you about cutting ties early. 
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« Reply #558 on: December 02, 2019, 01:45:00 PM »
Strong finished the season ranked two years ago and had a winning record last year. Furthermore his last two years at Louisville he went 23-3 with a Sugar Bowl win. Texas was a bad for no doubt but the guy has been a successful head coach before.

Don't forget that UT's biggest booster wanted Strong fired before he coached a game for the Horns. He wasn't the white man for the job there.

I'm surprised Strong didn't do well at USF.  He'll be a DC somewhere next year.
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #559 on: December 02, 2019, 02:49:17 PM »
Chris Petersen stepping down at Washington. Moving into administration - at least for now. Will clearly have opportunities in future if he wishes.
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« Reply #560 on: December 02, 2019, 04:08:34 PM »
Chris Petersen stepping down at Washington. Moving into administration - at least for now. Will clearly have opportunities in future if he wishes.

I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.

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« Reply #561 on: December 02, 2019, 07:00:27 PM »
I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.

Of all the college journos out there, I respect Bruce Feldman the most and he raves about Jimmy Lake, fwiw
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #562 on: December 03, 2019, 01:25:37 AM »
Strong didn't follow Petrino.  He followed Steve Kragthorpe, who was 15-21 his three years as head coach.  Strong won there because he pulled in a lot of Florida talent, including Teddy Bridgewater.  He was supposed to replicate that at Texas, but obviously didn't.  It kind of fell apart for him at USF.  I agree with you about cutting ties early.

I know, hence why I said remnants. Kragthorpe was awful, but the appeal of Louisville and their resurgence hasn’t quite disappeared. But the Florida piece was also huge. And I think 1 key thing have changed. When Strong poached Florida at Louisville, UCF wasn’t the power they became in the last 5-7 years. Kiffin is doing some nice stuff at FAU, and for all his faults, dude can recruit. So suddenly, Strong wasn’t as easily compelling an alternative for the instate non UF/FSU/Miami kids at USF like he was at Louisville.

I thought it was interesting that his longtime assistant stemming back to the Boise St days was handed the gig. Good for continuity I'm sure, and Lake has a solid enough resume, but it struck me as unusual that a guy who was only there for six seasons (and less time than he spent at Boise St) would have a coach-in-waiting type succession and a spot made for him in administration.

Totally agree. The Boise tree is strong, but Lake didn’t spend much time there, he’s just a Petersen disciple. I’ve heard good things as well, but it’s still odd for a program like U Dub. Also, I find it odd cause Petersen was good, but he didn’t really set the world on fire outside of 1 year.



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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #563 on: December 03, 2019, 08:28:08 AM »
Some teams are going after Bryan Harsin at Boise St. We'll see if he decides to stay or make a move. Harsin has been an assistant under both Hawkins and Peterson. He has done well there on his own.

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #564 on: December 03, 2019, 09:56:52 AM »
So nice to start December with ND, Bama and UW-Madison on the outside looking in.

Although, to be honest, it was always fun to watch ND lose 849-2 in a playoff game.
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #565 on: December 03, 2019, 06:41:13 PM »
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?

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« Reply #566 on: December 03, 2019, 08:26:13 PM »
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?

Clemson.
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« Reply #567 on: December 03, 2019, 09:04:12 PM »
I could certainly see it, and I don't really have a plausible alternative, but youd have a tough time convincing me that a non-conference champ with 0 top 25 wins is one of the best 4 teams in the country.

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #568 on: December 03, 2019, 10:43:02 PM »
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do? 
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« Reply #569 on: December 04, 2019, 05:57:03 AM »
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do?

Can you please take your ax and somewhere else to grind it?

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« Reply #570 on: December 04, 2019, 06:51:51 AM »
So I think the combination is unlikely, but if Clemson loses to Virginia (unlikely), Georgia loses to LSU (fairly likely), and Utah loses to Oregon (don't know enough about either team to make a call), who gets in?  The winner of the the Baylor Oklahoma game would almost certainly get the #3 seed, but who'd be 4th? A 1 loss Clemson with 0 top 25 wins?

If they take the 4 best teams, it’s Clemson and a clear no-brainer.  I won’t argue the ACC is any good but credit to Clemson for steamrolling those teams (save UNC).  I also agree with Dabo about South Carolina.  It’s a yearly rivalry game on the schedule and not their fault the Cocks are bad.  They also scheduled Texas A&M, another team anyone would agree should be a good game.  All the metrics point to Clemson being a top-3 team, regardless of this weekend.
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« Reply #571 on: December 04, 2019, 07:57:16 AM »
Sports Illustrated’s Adam Maya still hasn’t issued a retraction about Clay Helton during, despite USC firmly saying he is staying.

What will SI do? 


https://www.si.com/college/usc/football/report-usc-keeping-helton/

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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #572 on: December 04, 2019, 07:58:08 AM »
Anyway, my guess is that retaining Helton made sense because either Urban said "no" or "not yet," or maybe they'd go after Chris Petersen next year.
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Re: College Football is back
« Reply #573 on: December 04, 2019, 09:16:12 AM »
Weird that Baylor jumped Wisconsin in the playoff poll.
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« Reply #574 on: December 04, 2019, 09:27:24 AM »
Weird that Baylor jumped Wisconsin in the playoff poll.


Not really.  They are sending the message that Wisconsin has no chance, which they shouldn't.  If Georgia wins, they're in.  If they don't, it looks like it could be Utah, or the winner of Oklahoma v. Baylor.  That's it.
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