College Football is back

[JWags85]

Joe Burrow's interview on Pardon My Take was referenced in the other thread related to the Odell situation, but his entire interview was great and highlights part of the reason that team was so good and what Coach O brings.  Also, his attitude would have me giddy as a Bengals fan.

"Was there a big pump up speech?
"Nah, we knew what we had to do.  Coach O told us as much, so we just didn't say much to each other and just went out there and started playing football."

"What about at halftime?"
"Nope, we sat, chilled, drank our water and said that we knew these guys couldnt mess with us"

Burrow: He realizes it wont always work in the NFL, but he has utmost confidence in hisability to make a play, and thats why hes so fluid and fearless improvising.  "We talk in meetings about reading defenses and making blitz pickups, and I'm good at that, but I always say...even if I don't pick it up and it breaks down...they still gotta tackle me back there, and they can't often do that"

Burrow: "24 reps. My goal out of HS was to break Brady Quinn's bench press record at the combine.  But its probably not worth it to try".

Also was making fun of himself for being so old and that it wasn't fair that he got to ball out against these young 18 year old kids.  Love this dude.  Baker was/is entertaining but Burrow seems so much more natural and understated with his swagger.

[shoothoops]

Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.

[The Sultan]

Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.

I think for a school like Missouri State, hiring Petrino is well worth the risk.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Just keep away from the volleyball team.

[JWags85]

Bobby Petrino hired as new Missouri St. football coach. It of course is getting badly panned. Petrino, and his checkered past has left 8 schools after one season.

The AD who hired him?

Former Senior Associate AD at MU Rah Rah, (2002-2005) Kyle Moats. They worked together 2005-2009 at Louisville. Petrino called him asking for the job.

"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.

[The Sultan]

I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.

[shoothoops]

"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.

And if he gets a "better" opportunity after a year? That is a factor when making a hire like this. You are making the point. How long would he stay? Long enough to have multiple years of success? He might. He might not.

[Billy Hoyle]

"Left 8 schools after 1 season"...that could be one of the most deceptive and misleading statements you could make about a college coach.  All but one of those moves was as a position coach or coordinator.  And included GA stops at places like Weber St or Carroll College in Montana.  As an up and coming coach, its very common to bounce around and get up the ladder.

As for panning the hire, I'm no Petrino fan and think he's a clown for the Falcons stunt, HOWEVER, he had an affair and lied about it a decade.  In the grand scheme of things, thats enough to side eye someone for a hire in perpetuity?  Especially at a place like Missouri St that hasn't had a coach with a winning record in 25 years.  This isn't Art Briles or someone that got severe sanctions brought down upon them.

plus, many GA positions are one year gigs anyway.

[lawdog77]

I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.

Lay off the fighting trees. You know who coached at Indiana State?  Sean Payton

[JWags85]

I have a feeling the author of that article really liked the outgoing coach.

But really what are you going to do if you're Missouri State?  You are in a crappy recruiting location, in an absolute powerhouse conference, and no tradition.  And here you have a former successful FBS coach calling to accept your $250,000 a year job.  And you're going to go out and hire the likes of Indiana State's defensive coordinator instead?

If he fails, he fails.  Just like every other coach who has coached there.  But the upside risk is great.

One of the articles I read, not sure if its the same, called the outgoing coach "a really good man" and lauded the risks he took coming to Missouri St, which is an odd eulogy for a coach who won 13 games in 5 years and never won more than 2 in conference.

And if he gets a "better" opportunity after a year? That is a factor when making a hire like this. You are making the point. How long would he stay? Long enough to have multiple years of success? He might. He might not.

Again, he only left a HC gig after a year once, at WKU.  You can't use the job hopping of a 20 something in the coaching hinterlands (where your windows to move up are often small and very competitive) to what a HC would do.  How long will he stay? His track record says 3-4 years in which he will remake a program like he did at Lville and Arkansas.  Hell, even at WKU, he improved the program in a year and set the groundwork which he handed off to Jeff Brohm to carry on.

If you're a program that won 1 game last year, and hasn't won more than 4 in YEARS.  If your new coach is hired away after a season, that means something INSANE happened with your program, he did an incredible job, and you're likely much better off for it.  Petrino didn't get a job after he was let go from Louisville after last season.  Him going 6-6 at Missouri State in Year 1 isn't going to bring a rush of marquee offers.  If they go 7-5, and 9-3 and he leaves?  Missouri State shouldn't complain and say their worries were justified, they should give him a plaque.

[shoothoops]

One of the articles I read, not sure if its the same, called the outgoing coach "a really good man" and lauded the risks he took coming to Missouri St, which is an odd eulogy for a coach who won 13 games in 5 years and never won more than 2 in conference.

Again, he only left a HC gig after a year once, at WKU.  You can't use the job hopping of a 20 something in the coaching hinterlands (where your windows to move up are often small and very competitive) to what a HC would do.  How long will he stay? His track record says 3-4 years in which he will remake a program like he did at Lville and Arkansas.  Hell, even at WKU, he improved the program in a year and set the groundwork which he handed off to Jeff Brohm to carry on.

If you're a program that won 1 game last year, and hasn't won more than 4 in YEARS.  If your new coach is hired away after a season, that means something INSANE happened with your program, he did an incredible job, and you're likely much better off for it.  Petrino didn't get a job after he was let go from Louisville after last season.  Him going 6-6 at Missouri State in Year 1 isn't going to bring a rush of marquee offers.  If they go 7-5, and 9-3 and he leaves?  Missouri State shouldn't complain and say their worries were justified, they should give him a plaque.

The previous coach, (Steckel) was very popular as a person and as a coach. He didn't have success at MO St. in his 5 seasons as head coach.

Previously at Mizzou, he was coming off of back to back 1st place SEC East Finishes and New Year's Bowl wins. 23 wins the prior two seasons, as Associate Head Coach and D Coordinator there. The article is saying that he had other options but chose to go there to be a head coach and try to get it going there.

[JWags85]

The previous coach, (Steckel) was very popular as a person and as a coach. He didn't have success at MO St. in his 5 seasons as head coach.

Previously at Mizzou, he was coming off of back to back 1st place SEC East Finishes and New Year's Bowl wins. 23 wins the prior two seasons, as Associate Head Coach and D Coordinator there. The article is saying that he had other options but chose to go there to be a head coach and try to get it going there.

Thats all fine and good, and he may be a great guy, but he objectively STUNK at his job.  And other options, sure, but he was in his mid-50s and had been a coordinator at, at the time, a good to very good program for 5 years.  If he was so "in demand", he wouldn't have to go to a low level FCS school for a HC gig.

Using anything about him as a negative or caution against Petrino just says that person doesn't care much about the program's success.  As a sportswriter, means you just want your buddy thats a good interview and fun guy, not someone that is going to turn the program around.  Dukiet vs Kevin O'Neill

[shoothoops]

Thats all fine and good, and he may be a great guy, but he objectively STUNK at his job.  And other options, sure, but he was in his mid-50s and had been a coordinator at, at the time, a good to very good program for 5 years.  If he was so "in demand", he wouldn't have to go to a low level FCS school for a HC gig.

Using anything about him as a negative or caution against Petrino just says that person doesn't care much about the program's success.  As a sportswriter, means you just want your buddy thats a good interview and fun guy, not someone that is going to turn the program around.  Dukiet vs Kevin O'Neill

Again, I can't really comment more as you didn't share the article or author. But it's pretty common for media or others to say the fired coach was a good person, just didn't work out for him, had other other options at the time, but chose to go there, etc....unless an author more specifically compared him to Petrino, it sounds pretty routine.

[Pakuni]

Mark Dantonio just resigned/retired from Michigan State.
The day before the second signing window opens.
Hard feelings there?

[cheebs09]

Mark Dantonio just resigned/retired from Michigan State.
The day before the second signing window opens.
Hard feelings there?

Stayed in there long enough to get his $4.3M bonus for staying as head coach on January 15. Sounds like some violations may be causing this too.

[jesmu84]

Mark Dantonio just resigned/retired from Michigan State.
The day before the second signing window opens.
Hard feelings there?

Not before securing his bonus. Oh, and after allegations of violations.

Good for him for getting his though

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/1796416/mike-dantonio-steps-down-as-michigan-states-head-coach-after-finessing-a-dollar4-million-bonus-17-days-ago

[keefe]

Not before securing his bonus. Oh, and after allegations of violations.

Good for him for getting his though

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/1796416/mike-dantonio-steps-down-as-michigan-states-head-coach-after-finessing-a-dollar4-million-bonus-17-days-ago

AMF, Dantonio!

Pullin' an Urban!

Gutless cheating sh1ts

[tower912]

For you conspiracy theorists.... and I have been a Dantonio fan....

https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2020/02/lawsuit-alleges-mark-dantonio-michigan-state-may-have-committed-ncaa-recruiting-violations.html

[jesmu84]

AMF, Dantonio!

Pullin' an Urban!

Gutless cheating sh1ts

Ya, no cheating has ever gone on in Ann Arbor. 

[Uncle Rico]

Campus at East Lansing just got safer with Mork retiring

[keefe]

Ya, no cheating has ever gone on in Ann Arbor. 

Michigan has an exceptional record of playing well within the rules.

There was an issue with a non-alum booster during the Fab Five period but Michigan acted swiftly and with authority.

Michigan athletics through and through is superlative. The teams in all sports are winners, the kids go to class, and they compete squarely.

Comparing U of M athletics with Michigan State isn't fair because the two universities are polar opposites - academically, culturally, and socially.

Izzo and Dantonio are both complicit in sexual assaults and academic fraud involving their players. Let's face it, the Larry Nasser problem was systemic at East Lansing. Michigan State failed as an institution.

If you are asserting that cheating goes on at the University of Michigan you need to provide evidence.

 

[jesmu84]

Michigan has an exceptional record of playing well within the rules.

There was an issue with a non-alum booster during the Fab Five period but Michigan acted swiftly and with authority.

Michigan athletics through and through is superlative. The teams in all sports are winners, the kids go to class, and they compete squarely.

Comparing U of M athletics with Michigan State isn't fair because the two universities are polar opposites - academically, culturally, and socially.

Izzo and Dantonio are both complicit in sexual assaults and academic fraud involving their players. Let's face it, the Larry Nasser problem was systemic at East Lansing. Michigan State failed as an institution.

If you are asserting that cheating goes on at the University of Michigan you need to provide evidence.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/246515-michigans-cheating-scandal-is-serious

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3553527002

https://www.chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/Michigan-football-covered-up-rape-allegations-and-threats-of-violence-then-lied-about-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-393

Found those after a quick Google search.

[tower912]

Ah, yes, the RichRod years.  Rumor had it Lloyd Carr was the one who blew the whistle on that one.  Not because of the ethics of it, because he hated RichRod.

[keefe]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/246515-michigans-cheating-scandal-is-serious

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3553527002

https://www.chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/Michigan-football-covered-up-rape-allegations-and-threats-of-violence-then-lied-about-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-393

Found those after a quick Google search.

If you call that evidence of systemic problems then I have a bridge to sell you.

[jesmu84]

If you call that evidence of systemic problems then I have a bridge to sell you.

I didn't call it that.

You asked for cheating at Michigan - not systemic problems. There is the evidence.