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Title: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 05, 2017, 08:04:11 AM
Pistons:

Henry 20min, 2 reb, 1 asst, 10pts

Buycks 0min, 0 reb, 0 asst, 0pts

Lakers:

Blue 12min 0 reb, 1 asst, 7pts
         7min 0 reb, 2 asst, 5pts
         8min 1 reb, 0 asst, 2pts

Timberwolves:

Butler 12min, 3 reb, 2 asst, 10pts
         26min, 5 reb, 3 asst, 16pts

Mavericks:

Matthews 12min, 4 reb, 5 asst, 4pts
               26min, 3 reb, 2 asst, 7pts

Clippers:

Wilson 12min, 1 reb, 1 asst, 5pts
            9min, 0 reb, 1 asst, 0pts

Rivers looked nice on the sideline

Caveliers:

Crowder 15min, 1 reb, 0 asst, 8pts

Wade 15min, 2 reb, 4 asst, 7pts

Boylan looked nice on the sideline
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 06, 2017, 03:44:18 PM
Henry making good progress.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/ellenson-wont-make-it-easy-svg-make-call-pistons-playing-time/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 08, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
Lonzo out for the rest of pre season. Big opportunity for Vander to show he can fit in Luke Waltons scheme. Hopefully he can get some meaningful minutes the next few games.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 09, 2017, 05:01:56 PM
Vander survived the first round of Lakers cuts.  They have one remaining two way spot open as well as one regular roster spot open which is mostly likely going to Andrew Bogut. Banders  performance last night was not helpful to his cause. Granted, he is getting scrub minutes, but he has to make the most of them. He missed a wide open 3 and Vince Carter, 41 years old , scored three pointers twice on him. Although Vander did play within the flow of the game and didn't force anything, and that may be what the coaches are looking for.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/9/16449534/la-lakers-news-training-camp-preseason-roster-cuts
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: hdog1017 on October 10, 2017, 11:22:23 PM
Always thought Jamil could make a NBA roster.  He underachieved in college, but he's got a great NBA body and relative skillset. 

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on October 11, 2017, 06:35:46 AM
Uh oh. I feel the word 'expectations' is in our near future.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MomofMUltiples on October 11, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
Great cover story for JFB in Sports Illustrated:

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau (https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau)

Apologies if it has already been posted somewhere else. Too busy to keep track the last couple days.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 11, 2017, 01:50:11 PM
Vander in thin ice... Lets hope Jeannie can push it over the goal line.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-have-important-decisions-to-make-with-roster-cuts-looming/2017/10/11/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
Always thought Jamil could make a NBA roster.  He underachieved in college, but he's got a great NBA body and relative skillset.

  if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 11, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
  if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?

What?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 11, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
  if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?

Dude. Come on.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
Great cover story for JFB in Sports Illustrated:

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau (https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau)

Apologies if it has already been posted somewhere else. Too busy to keep track the last couple days.

So proud that JFB wore our Warrior Blue and Gold. What a solid, hard working no BS guy. Great article - thanks for sharing, Mom.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 12, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
Lakers fading on Vander...
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/12/16465286/la-lakers-news-sign-travis-wear-contract-two-way-preseason-training-camp

Was hoping he could get last two way contract but this signing is not encouraging. I think when he got DNP last game the hand writing was on the wall.

It looks like the next stop will be to get picked up off waivers.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 13, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
Vander getting stiffed with no minutes again tonight. Looks like they are giving minutes to Josh Hart. Here is a research report on who gets the last couple of roster spots, one full and one two way.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/13/16472278/la-lakers-training-camp-final-roster-spot-andrew-bogut
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
Vander getting stiffed with no minutes again tonight. Looks like they are giving minutes to Josh Hart. Here is a research report on who gets the last couple of roster spots, one full and one two way.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/13/16472278/la-lakers-training-camp-final-roster-spot-andrew-bogut
Vander Ended up with 7 minutes. Had a slightly cleaner stat line than Briante Weber who had 6 minutes. Roster decision coming soon. Don’t know if any other teams may have an interest in Vander.

Jamil got in the game for 6 minutes and contributed a little bit for the Clippers .  He is a better position because he has the two way contract already.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MuMark on October 14, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Vander got cut
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 14, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Feels like it might be in his best interest to start plying his trade overseas. Just not sure the NBA is a realistic goal for Blue anymore. This would be his fifth year trying to latch on, if it hasn't happened by now, seems like it probably won't, unfortunately for him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2017, 10:03:44 PM
Feels like it might be in his best interest to start plying his trade overseas. Just not sure the NBA is a realistic goal for Blue anymore. This would be his fifth year trying to latch on, if it hasn't happened by now, seems like it probably won't, unfortunately for him.
The only hope Vander has left is to get one of the few remaining two way contracts left with some other team . If that does not come through , then I agree he should give it up and go overseas and get paid. He has enough game to be a star in the highest levels of any foreign league. He can make a comfortable living, build some savings and move on in life.

Vander has represented MU very well in his journey. Hopefully , he can find a good quality foreign situation.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 17, 2017, 11:48:53 PM
Lakers signed Blue to a two-way deal. Good for him, at least guarantees him some kind of shot.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 18, 2017, 04:59:09 AM
Lakers signed Blue to a two-way deal. Good for him, at least guarantees him some kind of shot.
Excellent news. This gives him a chance to play under less stressful situation than a 10 day contract . I think he can stick in the league.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/lakers-vander-blue-signs-two-way-contract-with-lakers/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MuMark on October 18, 2017, 08:00:55 PM
Henry with 13 points in 16 minutes......Kaminsky going against him...1-9 in 25 minutes....
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2017, 08:04:49 PM
Henry is a second unit big next to Leuer.  Tonight they were mostly matched up against Kaminsky and Cody Zeller.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on October 18, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Henry with 13 points in 16 minutes......Kaminsky going against him...1-9 in 25 minutes....
#soft
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2017, 08:12:01 PM
Well played.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 18, 2017, 08:12:27 PM
Yeah, maybe he fooked up bye beein’ won and dunn, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: naginiF on October 18, 2017, 08:40:41 PM
I can't believe nobody has linked this tweet from the Virginia Tech account yet:
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256 (https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256)
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 18, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
I can't believe nobody has linked this tweet from the Virginia Tech account yet:
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256 (https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256)
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on October 18, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks

I don't know ifVander had the contract when Wojo tweeted that. Good to see Henry off to a good start.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: reinko on October 18, 2017, 09:16:58 PM
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks

That tweet about the MU players in the Association came out about 3 hours before the Vander contract was announced.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 18, 2017, 09:22:49 PM
Hank looked good in the preseason. I was telling a coworker I thought he’d see decent minutes this year. Good start.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 19, 2017, 12:03:16 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/clippers-jamil-wilson-will-play-in-opener-thursday/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
In some openers ...

The new-look TWolves couldn't beat a Spurs team that was playing without Leonard and Parker. Jimmy had 12 points, 3 turnovers and was -19 in his Minny debut. Better days ahead.

Wes went 15-8-5 for the Mavs in a home loss to Atlanta.

Henry had a nice 16-minute run for the Pistons, who opened by beating Charlotte. 13 points on 5-10 from floor (2-4 from 3) and 4 rebs. Significantly outplayed Kaminsky (4 pts on 1-9 shooting).
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: jsglow on October 19, 2017, 08:27:51 AM
So help me out here guys.  JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on October 19, 2017, 08:44:49 AM
So help me out here guys.  JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?

I think two way deals guarantee 45 days with the NBA team, but I don't think it's necessarily the first 45.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: jsglow on October 19, 2017, 08:56:57 AM
I think two way deals guarantee 45 days with the NBA team, but I don't think it's necessarily the first 45.

Actually, isn't it 'up to' 45 days (maybe with day guarantee pay regardless).  What I was really asking is which guy(s) are actually on the NBA roster now.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: swoopem on October 19, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
So help me out here guys.  JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?

Dwight got introduced at the Pistons game last night and was on the bench but was in street cloths
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on October 19, 2017, 09:53:15 AM
Henry was in the rotation yesterday and he played really well. 13 pts 4 boards 1 ast in 16 minutes
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WithoutBias on October 19, 2017, 10:29:04 AM
Henry was in the rotation yesterday and he played really well. 13 pts 4 boards 1 ast in 16 minutes

That’s only been shared by 4 other people!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU B2002 on October 19, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Dwight got introduced at the Pistons game last night and was on the bench but was in street cloths

I think Dwight is injured (hip flexor). 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on October 19, 2017, 01:54:44 PM
Hank looked good in the preseason. I was telling a coworker I thought he’d see decent minutes this year. Good start.


Henry's option for 2018-19 was picked up by Detroit as well.  Pretty much cements the idea that leaving was the right choice.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 20, 2017, 04:16:03 PM

Henry's option for 2018-19 was picked up by Detroit as well.  Pretty much cements the idea that leaving was the right choice.

Cement was unnecessary, but this is nice to see for the Hankster.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on October 21, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
So apparently both Wally Ellenson and Derrick Wilson were drafted in the G-League draft today. I'm happy for both of them, but I definitely did not see that coming.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 21, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Sure dat wuzant da military draft, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 21, 2017, 06:14:42 PM
Henry DNP in game 2
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 21, 2017, 08:44:53 PM
So apparently both Wally Ellenson and Derrick Wilson were drafted in the G-League draft today. I'm happy for both of them, but I definitely did not see that coming.
Derrick to Grand Rapids, so the will be playing with Dwight and possibly Henry.

Wally to OKC.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 22, 2017, 07:40:54 PM
Wade having a hard time adjusting . Hopefully the team can work through it.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21107967/cleveland-cavaliers-guard-dwyane-wade-says-searching-role-team
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 22, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
http://www.mlive.com/drive/2017/10/meet_the_grand_rapids_drive_g.html#incart_river_home

I may go to the open practice on Thursday.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 23, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
Weigh ta represent, Fahrenheit, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 23, 2017, 12:22:01 PM
I want to see if he has developed a jumper yet.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 23, 2017, 12:47:05 PM
Maybe save da gas money, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 23, 2017, 07:48:58 PM
Not a long drive.  More like a three quarter 6 iron.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 23, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Wade role with Cavs to change.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/10/23/dwyane-wade-moving-bench-role-cleveland-cavaliers#/

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 23, 2017, 10:34:17 PM
Starting no matta.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 23, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Starting no matta.

I'm pretty sure Matta exhausted his eligibility a while ago
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 26, 2017, 06:54:38 PM
Derrick looked like he has worked on his jumper.  Pull up 3 off the dribble that looked smooth, though he missed it.  Played the entire scrimmage, only makes off of lay ups.  Dwight played limited minutes, still recovering from a leg injury.  Not getting good lift on his jumper yet.   Very gracious afterward.  Noticed my Marquette swag and commented.  Appeared to be bff's.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
Henry in danger of falling  out of the Piston rotation.  Still can't defend.  Derrick not on the Drive opening day roster.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 01, 2017, 03:56:39 PM
Henry in danger of falling  out of the Piston rotation.  Still can't defend.  Derrick not on the Drive opening day roster.
Hopefully Derrick can make the team at some point down the road.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 03, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Dwight had 21 points 12 rebounds and 4 assists in the Grand Rapids win tonight. Looks like he is healthy again.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 04, 2017, 09:48:38 PM
Henry suiting up for the Grand Rapids Drive tomorrow.  I'll wave.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 04, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Henry suiting up for the Grand Rapids Drive tomorrow.  I'll wave.
Hopefully there will be a big crowd there to cheer him and Dwight on.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 05, 2017, 12:01:59 PM
Dwight and Henry both starting, along with Luke Kennard from Duke.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 05, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
Henry scored a lot of points, but he still has a gunner's mentality.    Also has a unique skill set for 6'11.   Even in the G-league, gets a defensive rebound dribbles it upcourt, backs down a defender and shoots a fallaway J without anyone else touching the ball.    Ah, well.   He would be a junior in college right now.    By the time his rookie contract is up and he signs his next deal, he is going to be ready to do some damage in the League. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2017, 09:35:25 PM
Henry scored a lot of points, but he still has a gunner's mentality.    Also has a unique skill set for 6'11.   Even in the G-league, gets a defensive rebound dribbles it upcourt, backs down a defender and shoots a fallaway J without anyone else touching the ball.    Ah, well.   He would be a junior in college right now.    By the time his rookie contract is up and he signs his next deal, he is going to be ready to do some damage in the League.
How did Dwight look out there?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
Looks like Vander was activated for tonights Lakers game with Memphis. His name is listed in the box score . No minutes so far.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974896
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on November 06, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
So how does this work with a two way contract? Is it a game by game call up?
Is it a 10 day concract?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2017, 09:15:19 AM
How did Dwight look out there?

Dwight was the best guard on the floor.    Never made a bad decision, got to the rim, made jumpers, played good defense.  He has taken what he did at MU and improved on every facet of the game.    The problem is that he is not 6'3 (as listed) and he lacks that one exceptional skill that stands out.   And the Pistons are pretty set at PG right now with Reggie Jackson and Ish Smith.    I think he could handle back up minutes in the NBA, but I never root for injuries. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
So how does this work with a two way contract? Is it a game by game call up?
Is it a 10 day concract?
It is a game by game call up. They can be on the parent roster a maximum of 45 days not including days before start of g league and after g league. In order to go beyond that the parent has to offer a full contract. The effect of the 2 way contract is to give each time a 16th and 17th roster spot. Only 13 can be activated for a game though.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on November 06, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/06/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-luke-kennard-gatorade-league/835983001/

It appears that Henry's ability to get into and remain in the rotation for the Pistons is based on how he plays defense.    He wasn't great on Sunday in the G-League. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 07:09:39 AM
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/06/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-luke-kennard-gatorade-league/835983001/

It appears that Henry's ability to get into and remain in the rotation for the Pistons is based on how he plays defense.    He wasn't great on Sunday in the G-League.

The Pistons coach is very straightforward about things and has been a big supporter of Henry. Hopefully , Henry can bear down and make the effort on defense. I think it is combination of defense and becoming more efficient on his shooting that will carry the day for him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 08, 2017, 07:52:26 AM

The Pistons coach is very straightforward about things and has been a big supporter of Henry. Hopefully , Henry can bear down and make the effort on defense. I think it is combination of defense and becoming more efficient on his shooting that will carry the day for him.

Can you please provide detailed info on the type of schedule he's been keeping while with the G League team?  I assume you're his alarm clock, his personal dietician, his personal trainer, his personal physical therapist, his coach, his GM, and his team's owner like you are for...well, every basketball player ever.  Would love to hear the type of work Hank's been putting in from someone on the inside.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 08, 2017, 10:18:07 AM
Dwight Buycks now competing with Bronson Koenig for minutes on the Drive.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 07:33:47 PM
Dwight Buycks now competing with Bronson Koenig for minutes on the Drive.   
Dwight did well last night with 29 points 6 boards and 3 assists
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 07:41:35 PM
Looks like Vander is activated again for the Lakers at their road game against Boston.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974912

Looks like Vander may make a few bucks on this road trip.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 09:24:49 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/lakers-vander-blue-with-lakers-for-road-trip/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on November 08, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
DNP

How much Ching will he make?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
DNP

How much Ching will he make?
I think he gets about 5k per day he is with the parent team. He has been there since Sunday. So maybe 35 k on top of his 75 base.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on November 08, 2017, 10:40:25 PM
That's a pretty good hourly rate.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on November 10, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
He’s back....
Vander Blue
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/929080921504043011
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on November 10, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
Vander scored 2 points in 3 minutes last night for the Lakers, now in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
Looking forward to seeing  Vander in action back in Milwaukee. He worked very hard to get to this place. Nice to see MU embracing him warmly.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2017, 09:27:19 PM
Vander getting good minutes tonight. Playing tough defense, just blocked Thon Makers shot.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2017, 10:01:11 PM
Good interview with Vander and great to see his tight connection with program.

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Marquettes-Vander-Blue-110320295
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on November 11, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
That’s great—happy to see Van getting a little run.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
Rocked da lavender Nikes two, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2017, 01:16:08 PM
Rocked da lavender Nikes two, ai na?
Good PR for MU
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/11/varsity-blue-fighting-for-place-in-nba-lakers-guard-vander-blue-returns-to-alma-mater/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
Vander getting some time early in the game again tonight versus the Suns.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
Encouraging News from Luke Walton re: Vander

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-luke-walton-explains-reasoning-for-playing-vander-blue-over-josh-hart/2017/11/14/

Vander pushed Josh Hart to the G League ! MU > Villanova lol
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on November 14, 2017, 10:32:00 PM
Encouraging News from Luke Walton re: Vander

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-luke-walton-explains-reasoning-for-playing-vander-blue-over-josh-hart/2017/11/14/

Vander pushed Josh Hart to the G League ! MU > Villanova lol
He's earned it, happy for Vander
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skitch on November 15, 2017, 02:47:11 AM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/930609912396308480

Pretty sweet jacket for Jimmy.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
Jamil got pulled up to Clippers. Will have 5 MU alums involved in the game versus the Cavs tonight. 3 players and 2 coaches.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/11/17/16670872/clippers-send-cj-williams-brice-johnson-to-agua-caliente-call-up-jamil-wilson-nba-g-league
 

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
Wade assist to Crowder...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21450315
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2017, 08:13:06 AM
Jamil got pulled up to Clippers. Will have 5 MU alums involved in the game versus the Cavs tonight. 3 players and 2 coaches.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/11/17/16670872/clippers-send-cj-williams-brice-johnson-to-agua-caliente-call-up-jamil-wilson-nba-g-league
Good for Jamil.   It is a testament that he has continued to work to bring out the talent he was given.   I don't know if he sticks or not.  To me, he was one of the more frustrating players at MU because it always looked to me like he had the ability to dominate but somehow never did.   I am glad he kept working.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
Buycks had a meh first half and then put the team on his back in an overtime loss to Canton.  The other player on the Drive with a two way contract with the Pistons,  Luis Montero, was abysmal.  Koenig had nothing in about 12 minutes of run.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 18, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
  wesley takes the dear to school for 22 including 6/8 from the arc in a 111-79 spankin-ouch!  happy for the man though.  didn't recognize him at first
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
Buycks had a meh first half and then put the team on his back in an overtime loss to Canton.  The other player on the Drive with a two way contract with the Pistons,  Luis Montero, was abysmal.  Koenig had nothing in about 12 minutes of run.
Hopefully Buycks gets the call up soon.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 19, 2017, 07:32:45 AM
It will take an injury or a trade.  He isn't better than Reggie Jackson or Ish Smith.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
http://www.mlive.com/drive/2017/11/henry_ellenson_gets_bonus_play.html#incart_river_home

Henry versus Wally in the G-league.     Seriously, who knew Wally was in the G-league?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2017, 06:44:43 PM
Jamil scored his first NBA points last night. Had 6 on 2/3 from the field in 4 minutes. Hopefully he can make the most of his opportunities .
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
Jamil continues to make progress. He played 14 minutes tonight. 8 points. 2 boards and an assist. 3/5 shooting 2/4 from 3.

Keep up the good work Jamil.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skitch on December 03, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
Jamil started for the Clippers tonight. Has a couple of 3s and a bunch of fouls. Griffin's injury should lead to some opportunities for him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skitch on December 04, 2017, 07:45:00 PM
Might not fit here but Novak is filling in announcing the Bucks game on FS-Wisc. Seems to be pretty good thus far.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
Just checking in here to see how Wojo's guys are doing. Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
Just checking in here to see how Wojo's guys are doing. Oh, wait...

How many guys did Buzz have in the NBA after his third year as a head coach?

Flat out stupid.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 01:04:49 AM
How many guys did Buzz have in the NBA after his third year as a head coach?

Flat out stupid.

Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play.  Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2017, 06:25:16 AM
Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play.  Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.

He said first three years that amounts to Lazar and Jimmy. Maybe includ Wes but that’s pushing it
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play.  Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.

Because Wojo has completed three seasons as coach. After three years of Buzz, Jimmy was a just drafted rookie, Lazar was washing out of the league, Blue and Jae were still in school, and Buycks was in France.

Sorry, Buzz doesn't get extra credit because a Tom Crean recruit thanked him at senior day. Comparing Wojo's NBA pedigree to Buzz is problematic in two regards. First, many Buzz guys took a long time to settle into roles, so looking at Buzz 9 years later and Wojo after year 3 is apples and oranges. Second, if you're crediting Buzz for guys TC recruited, we'll have to look at how Wojo did with guys at Duke. Not sure that comparison will still favor Buzz.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 08:24:53 AM
Because Wojo has completed three seasons as coach. After three years of Buzz, Jimmy was a just drafted rookie, Lazar was washing out of the league, Blue and Jae were still in school, and Buycks was in France.

Sorry, Buzz doesn't get extra credit because a Tom Crean recruit thanked him at senior day. Comparing Wojo's NBA pedigree to Buzz is problematic in two regards. First, many Buzz guys took a long time to settle into roles, so looking at Buzz 9 years later and Wojo after year 3 is apples and oranges. Second, if you're crediting Buzz for guys TC recruited, we'll have to look at how Wojo did with guys at Duke. Not sure that comparison will still favor Buzz.

Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.

Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2017, 08:25:50 AM
Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.

Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.


No one said Buzz wasn't a good coach.  Keep building the strawmen.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 08:41:20 AM

No one said Buzz wasn't a good coach.  Keep building the strawmen.

It's all stemming from determining what the benchmark for the program should be and how we expect our coach to perform. Using Buzz as that benchmark explains why some of us are not impressed with Wojo. And in defending Wojo, there have been plenty of comments minimizing what Buzz did, so offering a refresher on how we played and what kinds of guys we had seemed needed.

Definitely didn't need to post in this thread. That was a d**k move on my part. My bad.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.

Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.

This post is an utter load of s#!t. So Buzz gets credit for guys that weren't his recruits but Wojo doesn't get credit for Henry because he was a five-star? I guess it's easy to defense your complete horsecrap argument when you make up the rules as you go, shift the goalposts to fit your malleable position. Sorry, but you lost all credibility with this post. But have fun making up the rules as you go along and changing them when it doesn't suit you.

EDIT: And Wesley Matthews was ALWAYS the best pro prospect of the Amigos. Always. He didn't get to the league because Buzz transformed him, he got to the league because he is 6'5", a great three-point shooter, and a quality defender. Dominic James was never big enough nor a good enough shooter. Jerel wasn't a good enough man defender, shooter, and definitely too small to play the 2 and didn't have the handle for the 1. Anyone who didn't see that Wes was clearly the best pro prospect from their freshman year despite aggregate stats was blind.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 05, 2017, 11:35:38 AM
And I would argue that "getting guys to the NBA" is 90% about recruiting.  Take a look at how many years most college players in the NBA spent in college.  My guess is the average is around 1.5, though I could be very wrong.  It's very rare for a guy like Frank Kaminsky to come in and be completely off NBA radars and steadily progress though 4 (or 5) years of college basketball and end up being a 1st round pick.  It does happen, but it's very much the exception, not the rule.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 11:45:11 AM
And I would argue that "getting guys to the NBA" is 90% about recruiting.  Take a look at how many years most college players in the NBA spent in college.  My guess is the average is around 1.5, though I could be very wrong.  It's very rare for a guy like Frank Kaminsky to come in and be completely off NBA radars and steadily progress though 4 (or 5) years of college basketball and end up being a 1st round pick.  It does happen, but it's very much the exception, not the rule.

Agreed. In the past 6 years, 180 players have been drafted in the first round. 22 of them have been seniors, only 12.2%. If you include second round picks, it's 97/360 for 26.9%. Developing players is nice, but if you are getting NBA talent, you usually know in the first year or two.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 12:07:25 PM
Another note on Wojo vs Buzz in the NBA. Since Buzz left, both coaches have had three full seasons at their new jobs. The only player drafted from either school was Henry Ellenson. Buzz's best players at Va Tech (LeDay and Allen) are both overseas. So let's not pretend he has some magic wand that turns non-NBA guys into NBA guys.

Buzz is a good coach. I'm happy for what he did here. He's generally been better at developing JUCO players than high school players, which is part of why 66% of the MU players recruited by him to land in the NBA (Jimmy, Jae, DJO, Buycks, Vander, Jamil) came from the JUCO ranks.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Agreed. In the past 6 years, 180 players have been drafted in the first round. 22 of them have been seniors, only 12.2%. If you include second round picks, it's 97/360 for 26.9%. Developing players is nice, but if you are getting NBA talent, you usually know in the first year or two.

Talk about shifting goalposts... The NBA draft is 2 rounds, so looking only at the first round doesn't really prove any point about how guys get into the league. And then you only include seniors, so again, you're intentionally limiting the sample size in an attempt to make your argument. How about looking guys that are 3 or more years removed from high school that get signed - that would be a more logical way to determine whether college coaches are developing the players or not.

The majority of guys getting NBA contracts aren't one and done, so coaching and developing players has to be more important than recruiting, no?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2017, 12:12:39 PM
Wade has really found his role in Cleveland

Him and the Cavs rolling now
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 05, 2017, 12:14:44 PM
nm read it wrong
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 12:15:05 PM
Another note on Wojo vs Buzz in the NBA. Since Buzz left, both coaches have had three full seasons at their new jobs. The only player drafted from either school was Henry Ellenson. Buzz's best players at Va Tech (LeDay and Allen) are both overseas. So let's not pretend he has some magic wand that turns non-NBA guys into NBA guys.

Buzz is a good coach. I'm happy for what he did here. He's generally been better at developing JUCO players than high school players, which is part of why 66% of the MU players recruited by him to land in the NBA (Jimmy, Jae, DJO, Buycks, Vander, Jamil) came from the JUCO ranks.

Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2017, 12:26:24 PM
Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.

Lazar. I also think Jamil gets there eventually maybe even earlier with a different coach
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on December 05, 2017, 12:36:45 PM
Lazar. I also think Jamil gets there eventually maybe even earlier with a different coach

Also definitely Wes if we're counting him.

I think Crowder had a good shot no matter where he ended up in college. Same for Butler.

Both those guys were great here but they got to the league because they had size, could defend and were capable shooters. That probably would have been true even if they didn't attend MU. Butler did most of his improving after he made it to the NBA

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 01:08:31 PM
Talk about shifting goalposts... The NBA draft is 2 rounds, so looking only at the first round doesn't really prove any point about how guys get into the league. And then you only include seniors, so again, you're intentionally limiting the sample size in an attempt to make your argument. How about looking guys that are 3 or more years removed from high school that get signed - that would be a more logical way to determine whether college coaches are developing the players or not.

The majority of guys getting NBA contracts aren't one and done, so coaching and developing players has to be more important than recruiting, no?

You brought up the development, but I was specifically responding to wades.

Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.

Yes, no doubt. Jimmy absolutely gets there regardless and I thought that from about midway through his first year at Marquette. I think Wes and Jae both get there. And I think Vander, Jamil, and Dwight all may have gotten there sooner with a different coach.

Buzz did fine with those guys and certainly didn't impede them, but I don't think he made them "more" NBA players than they would have been without him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2017, 01:11:17 PM
Not to be this guy but can we keep this thread about what our NBA and G-League alumni are doing?

Skianth16 this is 100% your fault for getting this thread off topic with your need to take shots at wojo in what was a perfectly nice update thread.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 01:20:06 PM
Not to be this guy but can we keep this thread about what our NBA and G-League alumni are doing?

Skianth16 this is 100% your fault for getting this thread off topic with your need to take shots at wojo in what was a perfectly nice update thread.

Fully aware. I did note that and comment that it was unneeded. Go ahead and mark a little tally for yourself on your scorecard.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 08, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
Bill Simmons’ column today was talking about the state of the Clippers and included the line “I don’t even know who Wilson is.”  Does that say more about the Clips, Jamil, or Marquette?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on December 08, 2017, 10:57:49 PM
Comparing Wojo v Buzz is not an NBA thing. That whole premise is a red herring. It’s about success in the BE and the NCAA tourney (and a bit about beating UW
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
I want us to get where Villanova is. Wojo will need to become a better coach to get to Jay level though.

Agreed.

Of course, first Jay had to become a better coach to get to Jay level.

First head-coaching job: Hofstra.
94-95 ... 10-18
95-96 ... 9-18
96-97 ... 12-15

Second head-coaching job: Villanova.
01-02 ... 19-13
02-03 ... 15-16
03-04 ... 18-17

Yet another guy who didn't step right into a program (or in his case, 2 programs) and work miracles.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2017, 12:27:36 AM
Something strange going on with Vander. Has been inactive for two games in a row on G League. I watched part of the first game and they mentioned he was out for personal reasons.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on December 09, 2017, 10:28:08 AM
Something strange going on with Vander. Has been inactive for two games in a row on G League. I watched part of the first game and they mentioned he was out for personal reasons.
He is transferring, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
Vander has an arm injury. He is lissted as doubtful for tonights game.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/lakers/files/sbl-gamenotes/gamenotes.pdf
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on December 09, 2017, 09:09:41 PM
Vander has an arm injury. He is lissted as doubtful for tonights game.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/lakers/files/sbl-gamenotes/gamenotes.pdf
Over zealous slap of five?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
John Dawson had 12 points 4 rebounds and 1 assist in 22 minutes in the Greensboro Swarm win in the G League tonight. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
Jamil got the start again for the Clippers tonight.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 13, 2017, 07:54:24 PM
Jamil with another start for the Clippers. Getting good minutes and playing well against the Heat. It’s nice when your coach is an MU guy.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on December 13, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
Jamil with another start for the Clippers. Getting good minutes and playing well against the Heat. It’s nice when your coach is an MU guy.

9 pts, 3 reb.  Solid
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
9 pts, 3 reb.  Solid


In da Association dat’s good four $44 mil over for years in his next contract, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: StillWarriors on December 14, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
Bill Simmons’ column today was talking about the state of the Clippers and included the line “I don’t even know who Wilson is.”  Does that say more about the Clips, Jamil, or Marquette?

....or Bill Simmons, actually.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Carl Spackler on December 14, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
....or Bill Simmons, actually.

Simmons stopped being fun to read about 5 years ago.  He is insufferable on his sports podcasts.  Not surprised his HBO show failed. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: StillWarriors on December 14, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
Simmons stopped being fun to read about 5 years ago.  He is insufferable on his sports podcasts.  Not surprised his HBO show failed.

I completely agree; he is awful. He's had quite the fall from being one of the main NBA guys for ESPN.  I don't miss seeing him pout when he couldn't get a word in among the other analysts. Couldn't stand watching him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2017, 09:09:35 AM
Jamil got the start again last night. Had 10 points 3 blocked shots 2 boards and 2 assist in 23 minutes. Nice to see Jamil continuing to make the most of his opportunity.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on December 16, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
Jamil got the start again last night. Had 10 points 3 blocked shots 2 boards and 2 assist in 23 minutes. Nice to see Jamil continuing to make the most of his opportunity.

Best part is the Clippers think undrafted Jamil is a better option to start at small forward than first round pick Sam Dekker
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
Best part is the Clippers think undrafted Jamil is a better option to start at small forward than first round pick Sam Dekker

He had a bit of injury trouble, but Dekker has really been pretty unimpressive in his NBA career.  Not shooting well, shows some flashes, but you'd expect a lot more from a top-20 draft pick in his 3rd year, especially one who came out after 3 years in college and wasn't viewed as a project.

But awesome for Jamil.  He's still not overly athletic for that level, but he has a smoothness to his game and certainly looks to belong when he's out there.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2017, 12:14:17 PM
....or Bill Simmons, actually.

NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career.  :-[

I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career.  :-[

I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.

He should.  He's been a self professed Clipper fan and season ticket holder since he moved to LA.  Wilson isn't some off the street signing, he was the first player the Clippers signed under the new 2-way contract rule and was one of their standouts in Summer Leauge.  Read a message board and most Laker fans knew who Vander Blue was even before he became a 2-way.

For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2017, 05:06:34 PM


For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.

I happen to like Simmons, but agree with you 100% here.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 16, 2017, 05:38:08 PM
He should.  He's been a self professed Clipper fan and season ticket holder since he moved to LA.  Wilson isn't some off the street signing, he was the first player the Clippers signed under the new 2-way contract rule and was one of their standouts in Summer Leauge.  Read a message board and most Laker fans knew who Vander Blue was even before he became a 2-way.

For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.

Didn’t he start a campaign for himself to be GM of the Clippers when he wrote for ESPN?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2017, 05:49:48 PM
Didn’t he start a campaign for himself to be GM of the Clippers when he wrote for ESPN?

I think that was the TWolves.  And then some snarky jabs about being the Bucks GM where Edens' daughter burned him pretty good on Twitter.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on December 16, 2017, 05:53:36 PM
He is an entertaining writer.  The portion of his Book of Basketball about the 1984 draft is really fantastic reading.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2017, 06:42:12 PM
Jamil had another start Saturday night for the Clippers. Had 9 points 4 boards 1 block in 23 minutes.  He seems to understand the role they are asking him to play. Several starts in a row is a good sign for the future. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: StillWarriors on December 17, 2017, 10:08:48 PM
NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career.  :-[

I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.

Even if he didn't know him as a multi-year starter on some fairly successful Big East teams, Jamil made enough noise this summer that he absolutely should know who he is. He was probably just saying that for effect.

I agree Simmons was/is an entertaining writer. I think sometimes these guys get full of themselves with the higher profile being on tv.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Jamil had another start last night 27 minutes 13 points 2 boards 2 steals . Clippers are really pleased that he is making the most of his opportunity. Doc is worried that they may run out of days available on the two way.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20171216-story.html

 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
Can den be signed ta a regular Association contract, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2017, 08:45:50 PM
Can den be signed ta a regular Association contract, ai na?
Hopefully Doc can push that through.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2017, 11:03:30 PM
Good article on D Wade with some nice mention of MU.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21821458/dwyane-wade-cleveland-cavaliers-raves-getting-vet-days
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
Jamil with another start for Clippers and playing well again .  The nice thing about this for Jamil is that the other teams in the league are seeing that Jamil is demonstrating that he is a legitimate NBA level talent. So no matter what happens with him and the Clippers he is likely to be in the mix somewhere in the league over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 22, 2017, 08:28:44 PM
Jamil with another start for Clippers and playing well again .  The nice thing about this for Jamil is that the other teams in the league are seeing that Jamil is demonstrating that he is a legitimate NBA level talent. So no matter what happens with him and the Clippers he is likely to be in the mix somewhere in the league over the next couple of years.

He's outplaying Dekker
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
Jamil got another start tonight in the Clippers win over the Rockets.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on December 24, 2017, 06:07:20 PM
Has Vander been called up?  I see he is listed on their roster on their web site. 

Playing against JFB tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on December 24, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
Has Vander been called up?  I see he is listed on their roster on their web site. 

Playing against JFB tomorrow.
I would think he will be, Lonzo out with shoulder injury.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 24, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
Has Vander been called up?  I see he is listed on their roster on their web site. 

Playing against JFB tomorrow.
He was called up earlier this year. The Lakers called up Alex Caruso their other two way player earlier this week.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 25, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
D Wade and Jae both did well today in the Cavs loss to Golden State.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 26, 2017, 01:46:47 PM
Solid research report on Jamil. He is really making the most of his big opportunity.

https://hoopshabit.com/2017/12/24/los-angeles-clippers-the-rise-of-jamil-wilson/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on December 26, 2017, 03:40:53 PM
Solid research report on Jamil. He is really making the most of his big opportunity.

https://hoopshabit.com/2017/12/24/los-angeles-clippers-the-rise-of-jamil-wilson/

Good find
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 26, 2017, 10:10:50 PM
Dwight got his first action of the season for the Pistons tonight. Nice to see him overcome his injuries and show up in a box score. All the MU 2 way guys have seen action now this season.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on December 26, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
Dwight got his first action of the season for the Pistons tonight. Nice to see him overcome his injuries and show up in a box score. All the MU 2 way guys have seen action now this season.

Henry got in, too (and logged an easy rebound, to boot).
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Afroman on December 26, 2017, 10:48:15 PM
Jamil with 14 points (4-of-5 threes) in first half vs. Kings.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 27, 2017, 07:33:09 AM
Jackson sprained his ankle last night and Bradly has an ongoing leg issue.    The Pistons are going to need Buycks to step up.   

edit: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/12/27/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/984739001/

Jackson will be out 6-8 weeks.    Buycks has the opportunity to make or break. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 27, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Jackson sprained his ankle last night and Bradly has an ongoing leg issue.    The Pistons are going to need Buycks to step up.   

edit: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/12/27/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/984739001/

Jackson will be out 6-8 weeks.    Buycks has the opportunity to make or break.

Been there before and landed a damn good euro contract hopefully he sticks in the NBA again.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2017, 05:31:32 PM
Good article on Dwight and the Pistons. Lets hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Would be great to have to MU guys on a playoff team.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/well-traveled-buycks-hopes-make-decision-point-guard-easy-call-pistons
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on December 29, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
Good article on Dwight and the Pistons. Lets hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Would be great to have to MU guys on a playoff team.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/well-traveled-buycks-hopes-make-decision-point-guard-easy-call-pistons
I'm sure Wade and Crowder will be in the playoffs
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
2 minutes in his return to the Pistons. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2017, 03:24:31 PM
2 minutes in his return to the Pistons.
Sometimes it takes a few games to work into rotation.  I think he will get a few more minutes next game.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 30, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
https://freep.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/nba-boxscores.aspx?page=/data/NBA/results/2017-2018/boxscore969164.html

More injuries, more playing time.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
https://freep.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/nba-boxscores.aspx?page=/data/NBA/results/2017-2018/boxscore969164.html

More injuries, more playing time.
Excellent News. Dwight did well.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2017, 10:05:46 PM
Vander recalled to the Lakers. Injuries and House Arrests create more playing time.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/12/30/lakers-news-vander-blue-gets-called-g-league/

Luke Walton said he had confidence in Vander last time he was called up. So hopefully he can build off of that.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 31, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
Good article in today's Journal Times about Jamil Wilson making it in the NBA

Wilson beats the odds
GERY WOELFEL

http://journaltimes.com/news/local/wilson-beats-the-odds/article_0ad7c03c-7491-515c-8891-03d5a6ffdcf2.html

Wilson spent the first 15 games with the Clippers watching — either being inactive or suiting up but not playing. On Nov. 20, Wilson got on the court, getting mop-up minutes against the New York Knicks in historic Madison Square Garden.

“It was a pretty awesome moment,’’ Wilson said. “And it came a day before my birthday. I turned 27 the next day. Making my debut there was something special.’’

It got even better. On Dec. 3, Clippers head coach Glenn “Doc’’ Rivers, a former Marquette University star himself, decided to insert Wilson into the starting lineup against the Minnesota Timberwolves at Minneapolis.

Not only was his first NBA starting assignment a moment Wilson will never forget, it also came against his old Marquette teammate and friend Jimmy Butler, now a star for the Timberwolves.

“That was special, having gone to school with Jimmy and having played along with him at Marquette,’’ said Wilson, who scored nine points in 28 minutes in that game. “He has had a great influence on my basketball career.’’


What Wilson has accomplished this season IS big. According to the Elias Sports Bureau in New York, there are only two other undrafted rookies who have started more games in the NBA this season: Maxi Kleber of the Dallas Mavericks and Mike Jones of the Phoenix Suns.

But Kleber, who has started 19 games, and Jones, who has started 10 games, are playing for two of the worst teams in the league. Wilson, who has started nine games and has played 25 for the Clippers, is playing for a legitimate playoff contender.

What’s more, Wilson has been receiving major minutes. In eight straight games, he played between 21 and 28 minutes before being replaced in the starting lineup on Friday night by Clippers All-Star forward Blake Griffin, who had been sidelined with a sprained left medial collateral ligment.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: BossplayaOtto on December 31, 2017, 06:37:05 PM
Clippers left Jamil Wilson in NBA G-League for Sunday’s Game vs Hornets.
For the first time in over a month, Wilson wasn’t called up. They’ve been shuffling him back and forth between the LA and Agua Caliente to preserve as many days as the can on his 45-day split. He didn’t play in Friday’s game either but was called up. He must be getting close to exceeding the limit. With how well he has played hopefully they just give him an NBA deal.

Question: can another team sign a player that is on a split to a full-NBA deal similar to raiding a practice squad player in the NFL?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 31, 2017, 08:57:52 PM
I'm pretty sure he's contracted to the Clips. Blake Griffin's return has killed his opportunity. Too bad, I need a Clipper for my fantasy team this week.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2017, 09:41:04 PM
I'm pretty sure he's contracted to the Clips. Blake Griffin's return has killed his opportunity. Too bad, I need a Clipper for my fantasy team this week.
Clippers have one open roster spot and may have to swallow some penalty dollars to fill it. Hopefully they choose to use it on Jamil.  The good news for Jamil is that he made a good impression on the league as a whole. So ultimately he will land somewhere .
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 01, 2018, 07:54:47 PM
Jimmy and Vander on the court at the same time in Wolves Lakers game. Nice moment for both I am sure.

edit ; Vander just caused Jimmy to turn over ball. maybe Jimmy is not so pumped 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Jimmy and Vander on the court at the same time in Wolves Lakers game. Nice moment for both I am sure.

Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn’t win a natty...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 01, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn’t win a natty...

Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time.

In college...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 01, 2018, 08:27:18 PM
In college...

It wasn't ahead of its time in college either.  The Flyin' Illini, the 40 Minutes of Hell Razorbacks, Roy Williams' UNC teams, etc. all used similar styles with guys guarding multiple positions.   Buzz was just the first to label it something.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on January 01, 2018, 08:27:33 PM
Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time.

And left out that pesky detail of outside shooting.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 01, 2018, 08:40:20 PM
Vander assist

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21937253
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 01, 2018, 09:18:43 PM
Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn’t win a natty...

What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 01, 2018, 10:33:09 PM
What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?

The Crowder S16 team if Otule was healthy IMO
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 01, 2018, 11:10:23 PM
What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?

If you look strictly at the pieces on the team, the 2011 squad had 5 NBA players (Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue, Buycks). That's pretty hefty, moreso than 2003.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
It wasn't ahead of its time in college either.  The Flyin' Illini, the 40 Minutes of Hell Razorbacks, Roy Williams' UNC teams, etc. all used similar styles with guys guarding multiple positions.   Buzz was just the first to label it something.

Ah, those were great teams before their time for sure. I might throw in UNLV and MSU but might subtract Roy. He seemed to favor a Ostertag or Zeller type. That said, the prototype in both at the time was for the traditional line up. I think maybe only Izzo has been consistent in his recruiting for switchables.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2018, 12:05:58 AM
Jimmy having a great year.
https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/30/jimmy-butler-quickly-became-the-timberwolves-alpha/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 02, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
The Crowder S16 team if Otule was healthy IMO


Had Marquette gotten by Florida, they would have faced a Louisville team that beat them in the BET by 13 just a couple weeks prior.  Then would have faced eventual national champion Kentucky (by far Cal's best UK team) in the Final Four.

That team was hardly worthy of a national championship.  It would have been a near miraculous run.  Final Four was probably the best to hope for.

I think the 2013 team had a better shot not because I thought that MU team was better, but because I think the field was worse.  They get by Syracuse, I think they could have handled Michigan and Louisville.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 02, 2018, 09:05:26 AM

Had Marquette gotten by Florida, they would have faced a Louisville team that beat them in the BET by 13 just a couple weeks prior.  Then would have faced eventual national champion Kentucky (by far Cal's best UK team) in the Final Four.

That team was hardly worthy of a national championship.  It would have been a near miraculous run.  Final Four was probably the best to hope for.

I think the 2013 team had a better shot not because I thought that MU team was better, but because I think the field was worse.  They get by Syracuse, I think they could have handled Michigan and Louisville.

Don't lose Otule & they win more reg season games, get a different seed, don't play Florida, etc. Not the same bracket at that point. Agree field was worse in 2013 but Crowder was a better alpha dog than Blue.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 02, 2018, 09:15:15 AM
Don't lose Otule & they win more reg season games, get a different seed, don't play Florida, etc. Not the same bracket at that point. Agree field was worse in 2013 but Crowder was a better alpha dog than Blue.

Maybe they beat GTown but I don’t see them beating any other team that year. LSU has 4 or 5 players Otules size, with or without him we get dominated down low. Cuse, ND and Cinci were never close games that we may have won.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: BossplayaOtto on January 03, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
Buycks with 14/2/4 tonight in 17 minutes in a 7-point loss to Heat
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
Buycks with 14/2/4 tonight in 17 minutes in a 7-point loss to Heat
He shot well from the field. Glad to see him making the most of his opportunity.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2018, 10:34:59 PM
Maybe they beat GTown but I don’t see them beating any other team that year. LSU has 4 or 5 players Otules size, with or without him we get dominated down low. Cuse, ND and Cinci were never close games that we may have won.

Might be remembering wrong didn't we barely lose the LSU game?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU86NC on January 03, 2018, 10:46:04 PM
This is the reason Scoop exists!  Good arguments...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2018, 08:46:52 PM
Jamil was waived by the Clippers. He ran out of days on his 2 way contract. Clippers had injuries and had no cap room so they had to bring up another 2 way player from their G League. I think if Jamil clears Waivers Clippers will be able to re assign him to their G league team and then be in a position to bring him up again on 10 day contracts.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: nyg on January 06, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil’s fate was sealed. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
16 tonight for Buycks in the Detroit's win over Houston.    4-5 from three.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2018, 09:17:26 PM
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil’s fate was sealed.
Doc said it was because they were short on shooting guards do to injury. So they had to waive Jamil in order to activate another shooting guard. Jamil has a two year two way deal so some other team could step into that.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: nyg on January 06, 2018, 09:39:58 PM
Doc said it was because they were short on shooting guards do to injury. So they had to waive Jamil in order to activate another shooting guard. Jamil has a two year two way deal so some other team could step into that.

Of course, with Griffin, Johnson and Dekker, they had an overload at that position, so Wilson was odd man out.  He may get another chance, may not, gave it his best shot.    Least Dwight Buycks had a career game tonight.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 07, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
TWolves should pick up Jamil
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: BossplayaOtto on January 07, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
TWolves should pick up Jamil

Bucks are releasing Liggins. Perhaps a homecoming for Jamil?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on January 07, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
Bucks are releasing Liggins. Perhaps a homecoming for Jamil?

I think Kilpatrick took the last spot.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on January 08, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
Saw a tweet from an NBA reporter that the Lakers are front runners to sign Jamil now, and by saying front runner it seems the Lakers aren?t the only interested team. Good news for Jamil.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lurch91 on January 08, 2018, 12:18:29 PM
Dwight Buycks getting some run with Detroit (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/07/detroit-pistons-dwight-buycks-stan-van-gundy/1011180001/)
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2018, 12:44:52 PM
Saw a tweet from an NBA reporter that the Lakers are front runners to sign Jamil now, and by saying front runner it seems the Lakers aren?t the only interested team. Good news for Jamil.
This article lays out some of the possible options for Jamil. The good news is he made the most of his opportunity when he had it.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/1/5/16856598/whats-next-for-jamil-wilson-la-clippers-nba-free-agent-g-league
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on January 08, 2018, 03:30:03 PM
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil’s fate was sealed.

Pelton reporting that it was also largely luxury tax driven, which coaches/ownership are always loathe to mention:
Quote
With an open roster spot, the obvious move would have been to convert one of their contracts. But even so much as signing Wilson or Williams to a 10-day contract would have pushed the Clippers into the luxury tax. So instead of trading little-used Brice Johnson to create the necessary flexibility -- a move that might require attaching a draft pick since the Clippers can't cover his salary with cash, having used most of their limit to buy draft picks -- they simply waived Wilson.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 08, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers.  Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on January 08, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers.  Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
Supposedly they needed a 3 pt shooter and that is what he was doing for the Clippers
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers.  Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
They need a 3 point shooter and Jamil has been doing well in that regard. He also played for the Lakers summer team two years ago , so he was known to their organization. Jamil is a good guy , who will work within the team concept and that is what Luke Walton is looking for.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 08, 2018, 08:55:03 PM
Nice article on Buycks: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/07/journeyman-buycks-makes-chance-pistons/109256470/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2018, 11:34:30 PM
Timing of this is suspect.


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2018/01/09/lakers-jamil-wilson-sued-for-sexual-battery-herpes
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
Timing of this is suspect.


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2018/01/09/lakers-jamil-wilson-sued-for-sexual-battery-herpes

 ::)

Hope it's not true but seems like this would be a hard one to defend. If they both have the disease, they both admit to having sex, and can prove that he had the disease before her seems like a civil court would probably find him responsible.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: drewm88 on January 10, 2018, 08:05:53 AM
::)

Hope it's not true but seems like this would be a hard one to defend. If they both have the disease, they both admit to having sex, and can prove that he had the disease before her seems like a civil court would probably find him responsible.

Assuming that all happens, couldn't he argue she was aware of the situation?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Shark on January 10, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
I thought 90% of the world had herpes or something like that?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 08:57:38 AM
Assuming that all happens, couldn't he argue she was aware of the situation?

Yes but this is Civil court. They use the "more likely than not" standard. I think they would find it more likely that Jamil didn't mention the herpes than someone willingly signed up for herpes. Could be wrong though
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
Jamil got screwed.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 10, 2018, 07:54:48 PM
Jamil got screwed.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson
That does seem to be where all his trouble started.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Dwight Buycks is a player that continues to improve over time. He has made steady progress each time he has transitioned From High School to JUCO to College to Overseas to G League and NBA. Obviously sticking at the highest level is a challenge.  He is making the most of his current opportunity with the Pistons. I like how he gives his all on offense and defense. If he can continue at his current level of play he may earn a full contract.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:41:38 PM
Jamil got screwed.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson

Assuming he is innocent. If he did what he is accused of then this exactly what should happen.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 11, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Assuming he is innocent. If he did what he is accused of then this exactly what should happen.

The organization has a player who spent 25 days in a correctional detention center and was unable to travel out of state due to his criminal behavior.

Seems interesting they've drawn a line in the sand because of a civil lawsuit.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 11, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/10/detroit-pistons-brooklyn-nets-andre-drummond-tobias-harris/1022949001/

Dwight with 17 in 24 minutes in a drubbing of Brooklyn. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on January 11, 2018, 11:53:01 AM
Glad Dwight is playing well, hard work pays off
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2018, 12:09:06 PM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/10/detroit-pistons-brooklyn-nets-andre-drummond-tobias-harris/1022949001/

Dwight with 17 in 24 minutes in a drubbing of Brooklyn.
His defense is fantastic as well.  I think SVG is a big fan of his.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 12, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Buycks got upgraded from a two way to a standard contract with the Pistons. Awesome news for him
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Dwight has been playing well on both offense and defense. The coach was firmly in his corner. Really tremendous news for him. He took a gamble and only took a one year two way contract, instead of the two that was offered and it worked out. I really enjoy his style of play.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/01/detroit_pistons_convert_dwight.html
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Sad news for Vander. Lakers gave up on him. He did not make the most of his opportunity. In addition he had not been shooting well in the G League , either and I think that was what finalized it for him.  I know he won't give up on his dream, and will probably stay in the G League for the rest of the year, but he should go overseas next year and make some coin.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/12/16885342/la-lakers-news-waive-cut-vander-blue-2-way
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on January 12, 2018, 09:22:21 PM
Buycks got upgraded from a two way to a standard contract with the Pistons. Awesome news for him

That is frickin great news! Yeah DB!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Talk about the ultimate kick in the b@#$ls. Lakers cut Vander, renege on Jamil and then sign noted anarchist Nigel Hayes.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/18/16907032/la-lakers-news-nigel-hayes-10-day-contract-knicks-sign
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
https://detroitjockcity.com/2018/01/19/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-play-trade/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 19, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
Talk about the ultimate kick in the b@#$ls. Lakers cut Vander, renege on Jamil and then sign noted anarchist Nigel Hayes.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/18/16907032/la-lakers-news-nigel-hayes-10-day-contract-knicks-sign

Wow!  I’d rather take my chance On a guy with a (not so magic) Johnson, ennn’a hey? 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: SlowJoe on February 02, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
http://www.eurobasket.com/Italy/news/521525/Vander-Blue-joins-Fiat-Torino

Vander is going to Italy to play against Travis and DJO. Fiat Torino also has former Marquette player Trevor Mbakwe.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2018, 07:31:37 PM
http://www.eurobasket.com/Italy/news/521525/Vander-Blue-joins-Fiat-Torino

Vander is going to Italy to play against Travis and DJO. Fiat Torino also has former Marquette player Trevor Mbakwe.
Happy for Vander. This is the right move for him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2018, 10:08:28 AM
Nice to see D Wade able to finish his career in Miami. Also I believe Jae will be better off in Utah.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PTM on February 09, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
Jae had to be removed from the facility after fighting with LeBron.

Who wins that bare knuckle match?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 09, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
Jae had to be removed from the facility after fighting with LeBron.

Who wins that bare knuckle match?

That was a fake story.

And they're basketball players, it's  almost always just a stare down and some pushing.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PTM on February 09, 2018, 02:22:17 PM

And they're basketball players, it's  almost always just a stare down and some pushing.

If only they were a bunch of fighting Irish guys, right?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 09, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
If only they were a bunch of fighting Irish guys, right?

Hopefully Notre Dame loses that soon

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/notre-dame-fighting-irish-offensive
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
Jimmy


Not good
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Jimmy


Not good

Agreed. Hoping he's not too seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on February 23, 2018, 10:13:12 PM
Jimmy


Not good

The basketball gods were not happy that Jimmy "rested" during the NBA All-Star game.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 25, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
Reportedly, Jimmy had a meniscal tear as opposed to ligament damage.
Timeline 4-6 weeks. Could've been worse!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 25, 2018, 01:39:06 PM
Reportedly, Jimmy had a meniscal tear as opposed to ligament damage.
Timeline 4-6 weeks. Could've been worse!

Not for my first place fantasy team that just lost a top-7 player 2 weeks before the playoffs.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
Dwight Buycks has been getting some playing time lately for the Pistons. Three straight 12 point games off the bench.  He seems to be very effective when he is in the game. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2018, 10:46:02 AM
Dwyane Wade has had some strong performances the last couple of days with the Heat.  Heat are making a stretch run for the playoffs and Wade is a key component for them.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s20180302-story.html
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 03, 2018, 09:19:51 AM
A Marquette NBA Twitter war broke out last night after the TWolves v Jazz game got testy:

https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/969943206141071362?s=21

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/jimmy-butler-jeff-teague-ricky-rubio-jae-crowder-tackle-reaction-twitter/amp/

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
A Marquette NBA Twitter war broke out last night after the TWolves v Jazz game got testy:

https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/969943206141071362?s=21

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/jimmy-butler-jeff-teague-ricky-rubio-jae-crowder-tackle-reaction-twitter/amp/

Definitely some interesting tweets and takes going on there...not sure why JFB was approving/applauding Teague's play against Rubio - was a cheap shot.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MomofMUltiples on March 03, 2018, 11:29:59 AM
Definitely some interesting tweets and takes going on there...not sure why JFB was approving/applauding Teague's play against Rubio - was a cheap shot.

(Patient Minnesota-splaining). It’s because Jimmy has been trying to get the Minnesota-nice Timberwolves to play with some fire and intensity.  The tackle was whack, but it’s the attitude Jimmy wants to see.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skitch on April 12, 2018, 01:06:24 AM
Henry got 28 minutes tonight and had 14 pts 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 12, 2018, 07:36:10 AM
Chick needs to put up some pics.  We were courtside for the game.  Henry looked solid.  BTW, Dwight was a DNP-CD.  But he still got his paycheck.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 12, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
Chick needs to put up some pics.  We were courtside for the game.  Henry looked solid.  BTW, Dwight was a DNP-CD.  But he still got his paycheck.

Here ya go. Sorry about the size...

(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30653318_10156179312706083_2475784492770394112_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=43d0f0b3c694e4910a1fcec8fbcc80ef&oe=5B2C37A2)

(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30623690_10156179329811083_3379180539352186880_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a5f8d475f2d2d2181d3e954ffec20c66&oe=5B5E170C)
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Bocephys on April 12, 2018, 08:17:28 AM
Here ya go. Sorry about the size...


I'll take "Things heard while dating Glow" for $600, Alex.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on April 12, 2018, 08:20:05 AM
Exactly.   Usually that apology goes the other way. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 12, 2018, 08:29:21 AM
I'll take "Things heard while dating Glow" for $600, Alex.

That's just cold. Funny, but cold.  ;D
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 12, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
That's just cold. Funny, but cold.  ;D

At this point, I am not going to even post my picture of the alleged "footlong grilled cheese sandwich" I ordered last night before the game other than to say that the estimate of the length was definitely done by a man.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 12, 2018, 09:54:41 AM
At this point, I am not going to even post my picture of the alleged "footlong grilled cheese sandwich" I ordered last night before the game other than to say that the estimate of the length was definitely done by a man.

Did Glow at least bring some bacon for that sandwich?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on April 12, 2018, 10:42:38 AM
Did he bringBacon or BACON
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 12, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
Hoo said dey maid bacon courtside, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Crowder with a monster offensive game tonight 6 3's 20 pts. Still 3rd qtr OK down big now with a rally down 12.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Ok ties it end 3rd qtr after being down 25 pts
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.

In another MU in NBA note ...

Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.

I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on April 26, 2018, 12:16:16 PM
They’ll be back in the playoffs and Jimmy was clearly the reason they were in the playoffs, I don’t think Thibs is the right coach for that team though
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on April 26, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.

In another MU in NBA note ...

Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.

I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.
Came to play right after the knee injury, not expected, plus ankle and wrist injuries that he would not acknowledge because he didn't want them to be used as an excuse, true Warrior.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.

In another MU in NBA note ...

Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.

I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.

Harden was far from why the wolves lost this series
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2018, 07:33:49 PM
Harden was far from why the wolves lost this series

Well, he averaged 29 pts, 5 reb, 7 asst and 2.4 steals, and he dominated every significant run the Rockets had in the series ... so not TOO far.

But yes, there were many reasons the Rockets beat the Timberwolves.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on April 28, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.

The translation is "I'm just not doing it".

https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 28, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.

The translation is "I'm just not doing it".

https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
I'm shocked
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PTM on April 28, 2018, 10:06:17 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.

The translation is "I'm just not doing it".

https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617

Spirit animal.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on April 28, 2018, 10:11:38 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.

The translation is "I'm just not doing it".

https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617

I guess when you lead the league in scoring and average a double-double (28.8 ppg/10.0 rpg) you can do, or not do, what you want  ;D
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 30, 2018, 09:58:43 PM
An interesting research report on Jamil Wilson.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/4/17/17245808/2017-2018-clippers-exit-interviews-jamil-wilson-is-good
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 05, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Dwight Buycks was cut by the Pistons today. Hopefully he can find a new NBA team over the course of the summer .  His days were numbered once Detroit let Stan Van Gundy go.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 05, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
Dwight Buycks was cut by the Pistons today. Hopefully he can find a new NBA team over the course of the summer .  His days were numbered once Detroit let Stan Van Grundy go.

TBT, baby!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 09, 2018, 09:25:56 PM
Comments from Coach Crean on D Wade:
http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/07/08/tom-crean-says-dwyane-wade-has-plenty-left-in-the-tank-but-does-he-think-hell-return-to-the-heat/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 11, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on July 11, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708

#emptyCupboard
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on July 11, 2018, 09:10:40 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
A stout defender?   ;)
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 11, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
#emptyCupboard

So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?

who also sustained a horrible family tragedy that prompted him to want to get out of his hometown."  Wojo really messed that one up.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on July 11, 2018, 11:11:00 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708

Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 11, 2018, 12:06:21 PM
Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.

Who knew that fine line was herpes
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 11, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
I saw Deonte play for a few minutes the other day. Looked as slow as a plow horse. Also jacked up an airball from 3; acted as if the shot clock was running out but it still had plenty of time - he was just being a gunner.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on July 12, 2018, 10:22:23 AM
Henry shooting the lights out in summer league
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on July 13, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: #UnleashCain on July 14, 2018, 02:36:53 AM
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
The only thing I'll ever say about Burton is what another scooper said thsy made me spill milk out of my nose.

Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 14, 2018, 06:09:31 AM
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.

Starting to think he has a gambling problem
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on July 14, 2018, 10:05:59 AM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: BossplayaOtto on July 14, 2018, 10:16:20 AM
An article on Henry Ellenson’s NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:

Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on July 14, 2018, 10:40:17 AM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.

Salary cap increases next year, he could stay in MPS with even more dollars, but it is a risk for sure.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on July 14, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
An article on Henry Ellenson’s NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:

Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
 

Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years.  He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 14, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.

Sigh. Politifact ranks this statement as: technically true but very misleading.

Sandy Cohen started in exactly 3 games with Deonte Burton on the bench. Most of the time he was coming off the bench as well.

Cohen also only got more minutes in Deonte in a total of 2 games. Deonte got significantly more time in every other game they played together.

In those two games where Cohen got more minutes, he played very well. He averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, and shot 60% from the floor and 50% from deep. If he hadn't played well he wouldn't have gotten as many minutes.

Deonte on the other hand did play well in one of those games but also racked up 4 fouls in 13 minutes and was forced to the bench. The other game he shot 1-4 from the floor with 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in only 12 minutes. If he hadn't been in foul trouble or played well he would have gotten more minutes.

The "Cohen started over Burton" line is one of the most tired on this board.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years.  He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on July 14, 2018, 12:29:44 PM
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.

Do players take out an insurance policy to guard against an injury when they do this? It sounds like something Lloyds of London would cover.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on July 14, 2018, 01:00:37 PM
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.

Yes, a possibility for sure.  He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later.  He made a smart business decision.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2018, 01:15:41 PM
Yes, a possibility for sure.  He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later.  He made a smart business decision.
Yes he did.  Obviously he could have had an incredible collegiate career had he stayed.  Hard to turn down the money and the opportunity and the dream.  Even if it is a foreign journey going forward, he could still make some additional substantial income.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on July 14, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.


He will get $188M over 5 from the TWolves after next year if he gets a max contract.  Or $140 M from any other team.

It was a very, very smart move on Butler's part in an NBA where Zach Levine gets $78M.  I mean, even if he gets hurt, he aint getting $5M considering Jabari just got $20M.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on July 14, 2018, 04:02:58 PM
He will be 30 entering the 2019 season. It's obvious, but the Bulls are paying for potential. The  question marks add up if there's a serious issue. Not a stretch to take a near max level veteran player to a 1 year prove it contract (Cousins, IT) with a single injury. He's betting on himself, I get it, there's risk in everything, I hope he gets paid and keeps being successful.



Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on July 14, 2018, 04:07:41 PM
39 year all star is in his prime. Very safe risk.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: avid1010 on July 14, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
Jimmy will be playing with Lebron next year...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.

No. It’s a $ thing. He’d be nuts to take the offer.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on July 15, 2018, 07:26:57 AM
Jimmy will be playing with Lebron next year...

I think you might be right on this one.  I guarantee Marky Mark is in Jimmy's ear telling him about how great LA is.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on July 15, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
No. It’s a $ thing. He’d be nuts to take the offer.

Seriously. It was an almost insulting offer. The Wolves must have known it had a 1-5%chance of being accepted but why not tryI guess?

https://deadspin.com/of-course-jimmy-butler-rejected-minnesotas-bargain-shop-1827600706
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 21, 2018, 07:04:34 PM
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1019333240207769600
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on July 21, 2018, 07:19:35 PM
Is Van back in the league??
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PTM on July 21, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
Is Van back in the league??

Vander is 58?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 25, 2018, 05:08:04 PM
D Wade offered 3 years and 25 million to go to China.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/07/24/dwyane-wade-free-agency-contract-offer-china

This is on the heels of him signing a life contract with his shoe company Li Ning.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215091300.html

Stephon Marbury giving his advice to D Wade on the matter.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/07/dwyane-wade-china-contract-stephon-marbury-advice
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2018, 11:04:21 PM
D Wade and Lebron enjoying some action at the Las Vegas Fab48 event
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1022649419089494016/video/1
https://twitter.com/cassyathena/status/1022667150966763520

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 06, 2018, 02:25:26 PM
Solid interview with Henry Ellenson
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/08/03/henry-ellenson-detroit-pistons-blake-griffin-andre-drummond-lessons
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 06, 2018, 10:07:28 PM
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/6/17654922/podcast-la-lakers-trade-jimmy-butler-deadline-khris-middleton-marvel-lebron-james-steph-curry
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 10, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
Some interesting footage of D Wade and Oladipo get a run in with  and a number of other NBA players. If you watch closely you will see a couple snippets of Haanif Cheatem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azuHcJLkl8A
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 13, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Lazar teaching basketball to Nicole Richie


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIwmu2KPPk
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 13, 2018, 07:16:25 PM
Lazar teaching basketball to Nicole Richie


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIwmu2KPPk

You know that video is at least 5 years old right?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on August 13, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
You know that video is at least 5 years old right?
And posted in Scoop way back
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 13, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
And posted in Scoop way back
Slow news day.
They have reruns of Gilligans Island too.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
Vander sporting some MU gear while he works out...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmCEXU3gKs-/?hl=en&taken-by=slickveez
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 18, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-beef-didnt-know-needed-dwyane-wade-jimmy-butler-instagram-photo-gabrielle-union-181944657.html
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 25, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
I love Davante's tweets. He posted this picture yesterday. I am pretty sure that the ratio of bus size to Davante size is properly scaled:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlXVT0fUYAAkLhL.jpg)
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 26, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
Looks like Jamil Wilson is headed back to Italy Series A with Fiat Torino. In negotiations with Fiat Torino. He may have an out of the contract if an NBA team calls or if he goes to the EuroLeague. Hopefully he can land an NBA training camp deal. 

https://sportando.basketball/it/italia/serie-a/286658/fiat-torino-ai-dettagli-con-jamil-wilson.html

 http://basket-infos.com/2018/08/26/jamil-wilson-pour-remplacer-royce-white/

https://www.basketnet.it/la-fiat-torino-vicina-jamil-wilson/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 28, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Looks like Jamil Wilson is headed back to Italy Series A with Fiat Torino. In negotiations with Fiat Torino. He may have an out of the contract if an NBA team calls or if he goes to the EuroLeague. Hopefully he can land an NBA training camp deal. 

https://sportando.basketball/it/italia/serie-a/286658/fiat-torino-ai-dettagli-con-jamil-wilson.html

 http://basket-infos.com/2018/08/26/jamil-wilson-pour-remplacer-royce-white/

https://www.basketnet.it/la-fiat-torino-vicina-jamil-wilson/
Further update. Looks Like Jamil is on his way to fatherhood.
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurocup/730611/fiat-turin-brings-back-jamil-wilson/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 03, 2018, 09:08:27 PM
It may be possible that Dwight Buycks has a training camp deal with the  Pistons. Two clues, First, he is still listed on the Pistons  2018-19 roster, which right now is the max 20 men. Secondly, his Rotowold profile mentions that he has a training camp deal if he wants one .  I guess we will find out when the Pistons release their official training camp roster at the end of the month.

http://www.nba.com/players/dwight/buycks/202779
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1923/dwight-buycks
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 04, 2018, 12:16:49 PM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/04/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-usa-fiba-world-cup/1191245002/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 11, 2018, 06:56:31 PM
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2018/08/16/dont-expect-constant-trade-speculation-around-wesley-matthews-stop-next-season
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
DJO getting a look by the Timberwolves. Lets hope it works out for him. 


https://www.pianetabasket.com/nba/workout-con-i-minnesota-timberwolves-per-l-ex-cremona-darius-johnson-odom-164029


https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/09/11/minnesota-timberwolves-roundup-jimmy-butler-day-more-workouts/


Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 17, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
DJO getting a look by the Timberwolves. Lets hope it works out for him. 


https://www.pianetabasket.com/nba/workout-con-i-minnesota-timberwolves-per-l-ex-cremona-darius-johnson-odom-164029


https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/09/11/minnesota-timberwolves-roundup-jimmy-butler-day-more-workouts/

DJO getting a further look by the Timberwolves. Possible camp invite.

https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1041802767566884866/photo/1

DJO was suspended today for 8 months from overseas play due to an anti doping violation .

http://sport.repubblica.it/news/sport/basket-doping-cremona-ex-johnson-odom-squalificato-8-mesi/4753347?refresh_ce
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 19, 2018, 12:57:17 PM
Jimmy wants out of Minnesota.
Can't blame him.


@ShamsCharania
Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on September 19, 2018, 01:05:48 PM
Cripes
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 19, 2018, 01:07:48 PM
Eye kan blame 'im. Cat is leavin' neerly $49 mil. on the table. U'd tink MU wooda taught 'im somethin' 'bout 💰, aina?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
I love these guys.  Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.

Guess what, that's what free agency is for.  Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.

Prima donna.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 19, 2018, 02:23:51 PM
I love these guys.  Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.

Guess what, that's what free agency is for.  Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.

Prima donna.

For the record, the list Butler provided is a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with before free agency. That list isn't preventing Minnesota from trading him anywhere they deem in their best interests. But realistically, Minnesota is going to get much more return in a trade with one of those teams than a team Butler won't sign with immediately.

Also, let's be clear ... Jimmy never signed a contract with Minnesota and never indicated he would sign there after his current contract expires. He could just as easily play out his contract and walk at season's end, with Minnesota getting zero in return.
They knew this was a possibility when they traded for him.

So, in conclusion, Butler is doing the Minnesota a favor by asking for a trade now and providing this list.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 19, 2018, 02:26:31 PM
I love these guys.  Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.

Guess what, that's what free agency is for.  Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.

Prima donna.

Why? He was traded
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Cooby Snacks on September 19, 2018, 02:26:35 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1042479195371266050?s=20

Nets, Knicks, or Clippers

Eff winning, get money. No one’s beating the Warriors anyway.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on September 19, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
For the record, the list Butler provided is a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with before free agency. That list isn't preventing Minnesota from trading him anywhere they deem in their best interests. But realistically, Minnesota is going to get much more return in a trade with one of those teams than a team Butler won't sign with immediately.

Also, let's be clear ... Jimmy never signed a contract with Minnesota and never indicated he would sign there after his current contract expires. He could just as easily play out his contract and walk at season's end, with Minnesota getting zero in return.
They knew this was a possibility when they traded for him.

So, in conclusion, Butler is doing the Minnesota a favor by asking for a trade now and providing this list.


Not only that, but Jimmy hasn't said anything publicly that I can tell.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 19, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
All I care about is that DJO gets a roster opportunity with the T Wolves. Jimmy will get his money either way.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 02:59:56 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him?  Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 19, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him?  Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?

Wade and Jimmy didn't seem to get along with Hoiberg style of coaching and Bulls were sort of dismantling the team. Wade had also said that if they traded Jimmy he wanted out and that happened eventually.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 19, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him?  Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?

Not really. He was outspokenly critical of Hoiberg one time (and he wasn't wrong), but repeatedly said he wanted to stay in Chicago. The Bulls traded him because they had nothing around him. With him, they were going to be stuck in 6-10th place every year, aka NBA hell.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 19, 2018, 04:30:18 PM
Jimmy wants out of Minnesota.
Can't blame him.


@ShamsCharania
Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.


D - I - V - A!!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on September 20, 2018, 09:00:28 PM
Funny, today JFB denied all of this.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 21, 2018, 10:22:41 AM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him?  Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?

JFB works extremely hard at his craft, He'll butt heads with those who don't.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 21, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
JFB works extremely hard at his craft, He'll butt heads with those who don't.

I'd buy that if it was just one locker room. If the recent rumors are true and it's happening in another locker room I start to buy it less.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: oldwarrior81 on September 21, 2018, 12:31:18 PM
I'm guessing the T-Wolves may regret the 5yr-$147 million contract they gave Wiggins.
Poor defensively. 
Below average 3pt shooter (33% career). 
Mediocre mid-range game (37% 10-16 feet), (41% 3-10 feet)


Jimmy is looking out for his next contract.  As a free agent next summer he can max at 4 years @ $140 million with a different team.
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on September 21, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
I'm guessing the T-Wolves may regret the 5yr-$147 million contract they gave Wiggins.
Poor defensively. 

Below average 3pt shooter (33% career). 
Mediocre mid-range game (37% 10-16 feet), (41% 3-10 feet)


Jimmy is looking out for his next contract.  As a free agent next summer he can max at 4 years @ $140 million with a different team.
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.

Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.

Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!

But yes, I also think that is one of the worst contracts in sports. Not quite as bad as Joe Mauer's, though!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: barfolomew on September 21, 2018, 01:28:47 PM
Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!

Are they the B.o.bcats now? Will they be coming to Madness?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on September 21, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.

The Cavs actually look pretty smart for trading Wiggins for Kevin Love.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 21, 2018, 01:51:11 PM
Wear duz JFB bangin' KAT's old lady factor inta all diz, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on September 21, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.
That's...simply insane. 

$38M/year.  Particularly when you think the homeless kid from Trumbull could end up making that.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 21, 2018, 02:08:23 PM
Bet his mother duzant think he's ugly now, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on September 21, 2018, 03:25:22 PM
That's...simply insane. 

$38M/year.  Particularly when you think the homeless kid from Trumbull could end up making that.

Wat iz Trumbull?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on September 21, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!

But yes, I also think that is one of the worst contracts in sports. Not quite as bad as Joe Mauer's, though!

LOL brain fart
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 24, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
DJO gets a training camp invite from the Timberwolves.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/9/24/17896262/timberwolves-sign-darius-johnson-odom-and-jonathan-stark-complete-training-camp-roster-nba
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
DJO gets a training camp invite from the Timberwolves.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/9/24/17896262/timberwolves-sign-darius-johnson-odom-and-jonathan-stark-complete-training-camp-roster-nba

Next T-Wolves superstar after Jimmy gets traded to the Hornets for a box of rocks!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 24, 2018, 10:44:02 PM
Maybe MU has something planned for Wade's farewell?

https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044408420848324609?s=21
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 25, 2018, 12:30:00 PM
Wade giving MU some love

https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044635314076241920?s=21
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 25, 2018, 12:46:15 PM
Wade giving MU some love

https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044635314076241920?s=21

Yeah, but what kind of shorts was he wearing?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 25, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Lol was going to say it but abstained. Hopefully Bulls /Heat???
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2018, 05:09:32 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/26/detroit-pistons-dwayne-casey-henry-ellenson/1431466002/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 27, 2018, 06:10:43 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/26/detroit-pistons-dwayne-casey-henry-ellenson/1431466002/

Did he really think going home and doing pickup games was going to be beneficial in the offseason? Is there even D1 talentaround his home?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on September 27, 2018, 06:51:57 AM
White Lake?  Gotta love accurate reporting.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2018, 08:06:56 AM
Pretty sure ya kant sey dat heer, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on September 27, 2018, 10:09:23 AM
Did he really think going home and doing pickup games was going to be beneficial in the offseason? Is there even D1 talentaround his home?
Really have to wonder about his agency representation. His agent needs to get on the ball with advice.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2018, 10:11:39 PM
DJO DNP tonight in the T Wolves first exhibition versus Golden State. Don't think he will play much in the exhibitions, but hopefully he ends up on their Iowa Wolves G League affiliate.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 01, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
White Lake?  Gotta love accurate reporting.

C'mon ... everybody knows he grew up in Traditional Lake!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 12, 2018, 10:13:38 PM
DJO with 4 minutes tonight in the Timberwolves loss to the Bucks

4 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds plus a steal and a TO in garbage time. Pretty efficient, tied for 2nd on the team in assists.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 12, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
DJO with 4 minutes tonight in the Timberwolves loss to the Bucks

4 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds plus a steal and a TO in garbage time. Pretty efficient, tied for 2nd on the team in assists.
Built on momentum from practice.
I think DJO will eventually be called up from the G League at some point this year.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
As expected DJO was cut by Minnesota. Looks like he is headed to their Iowa Wolves G League affiliate.
https://www.foxsports.com/north/story/minnesota-timberwolves-waive-four-players-canyon-barry-darius-johnson-odom-william-lee-jonathan-stark-101418
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2018, 06:03:49 AM
The Pistons were missing two starters on opening night, one to a minor injury and one to flu, and Casey played 10 players by early in the second quarter.    Henry DNP-CD'd.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 18, 2018, 06:32:23 AM
The Pistons were missing two starters on opening night, one to a minor injury and one to flu, and Casey played 10 players by early in the second quarter.    Henry DNP-CD'd.

He'll have a great career in Europe.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on October 18, 2018, 06:38:31 AM
Henry Ellenson is a great example of why the NBA needs a legitimate minor league.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 18, 2018, 07:53:01 AM
Henry Ellenson is a great example of why the NBA needs a legitimate minor league.


They have one.  He's been playing there quite a bit.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on October 18, 2018, 08:21:06 AM

They have one.  He's been playing there quite a bit.

In my opinion,  the G-League is a haphazardly thrown together mess.  You have a hodge podge free agents playing for themselves,  2 way contract players,  and end of the bench players shuffling back and forth between there and the Association.

There is a lack of structure with the vast majority of teams.  The G-League is essentially a glorified pickup game, with very little player development.   Some NBA teams are starting to figure it out but the vast majority have no idea how to develop prospects.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 18, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
I think the G-League of about five years ago is how you have described it.  With pretty much every team owning their own affiliate, the development of two-way contracts and the ability to send players down and back whenever they want, I think it has become much better as a developmental league. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 18, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
I think the G-League of about five years ago is how you have described it.  With pretty much every team owning their own affiliate, the development of two-way contracts and the ability to send players down and back whenever they want, I think it has become much better as a developmental league.

Without a doubt better but till they can hold on to the majority of borderline NBA prospects and the old Gleaguers have aged out it's still going to be far away from what they want.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on October 18, 2018, 08:51:03 AM
The G-League has improved some but still has a long way to go.  Problems:

1. Only 27 G-League teams exist but there are 30 NBA teams.   It's the 18th season of the G-League and it still lacks a 1 to 1 team ratio to the NBA.

2. The vast majority of rosters are players signed by the G-League itself,  then drafted by affiliates.  Rosters shuffle yearly.  These players are pure G-League fodder and they have no incentive to play team ball or help develop their teammates that are legitimate prospects.

3.  Foreign leagues take a lot of talent away from the States.  The two contract has improved this situation but there is a huge drop from the NBA fringe to the typical G-League player.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 21, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
Duane drafted by Maine Red Claws in the G League.
https://gleague.nba.com/news/2018-nba-g-league-draft-board/
Hope he makes the roster.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 21, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
JJJ made training camp roster for Erie Bay Hawks
https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/erie-bayhawks-finalize-training-camp-roster/n-5411718
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 22, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
Jamil Wilson performing well in Italy. Shooting 50% from 3 point line in first  6 games. 14-28. If he keeps this pace up he will make it back to the NBA once his herpes issue clears.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Fiat-Torino/8913?Page=3
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 22, 2018, 12:50:10 PM
Jamil Wilson performing well in Italy. Shooting 50% from 3 point line in first  6 games. 14-28. If he keeps this pace up he will make it back to the NBA once his herpes issue clears.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Fiat-Torino/8913?Page=3

That sh*t is forever
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 22, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
That sh*t is forever

Score!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 22, 2018, 12:57:16 PM
That sh*t is forever


Orr his johnson rots off, aina?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 22, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
Good news for DJO he will be on the roster of the Iowa Wolves.
https://iowa.gleague.nba.com/news/wolves-announce-four-affiliate-players-for-2018-19-season/

Lets hope he gets called up and plays a few games with Jimmy.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 03:03:11 PM
What’s Vander Blue up to?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
What’s Vander Blue up to?
He is not playing anywhere right now. Went to Italy last year after being cut had a few good games then went into bad slump. Came back from Italy with tail between his legs and is not doing anything right now. His twitter and instagram show him constantly working out but he seems to be holding on to a dream that some NBA team will sign him again instead of sucking it up and going to G League .
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on October 24, 2018, 04:29:46 PM
What’s Vander Blue up to?

About 6-3.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
That’s too bad. Seems like a decent enough kid. Has NBA size and skill. Seems like one of those guys that never got a good fit. Lakers were a terrible fit with Kuzma, Ingram, Ball etc kinda fitting same role.

He is not playing anywhere right now. Went to Italy last year after being cut had a few good games then went into bad slump. Came back from Italy with tail between his legs and is not doing anything right now. His twitter and instagram show him constantly working out but he seems to be holding on to a dream that some NBA team will sign him again instead of sucking it up and going to G League .
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 24, 2018, 07:36:16 PM
That’s too bad. Seems like a decent enough kid. Has NBA size and skill. Seems like one of those guys that never got a good fit. Lakers were a terrible fit with Kuzma, Ingram, Ball etc kinda fitting same role.



He does not have NBA skills. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MuMark on October 24, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
And is undersized for a 2 guard.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 08:56:59 PM

He does not have NBA skills.

Lakers and Celtics disagree. He didn't stick, but he had the skills to get there. Not a lot of guys walking the planet who can say they were in the NBA.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 24, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
Lakers and Celtics disagree. He didn't stick, but he had the skills to get there. Not a lot of guys walking the planet who can say they were in the NBA.

Fine.  He has NBA 10 day contract skills.  He's just not good enough for a permanent gig.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
And is undersized for a 2 guard.

6'4" and 200 lbs? Not by much.

Name   Height w/o shoes   Height with shoes   Weight   Wingspan   Standing reach   Body fat   Hand length   Hand width

Blue, Vander   6' 3.5''   6' 5.25''   197.4   6' 6''   8' 4.5''   4.6   8.5   9.5


Found this via a google search. Interesting, good point about reach and wing span mattering as much as height. D Wade famously has a huge wingspan.

Quote
Shooting Guards

For most of my basketball life, I’ve assumed 6-6 was the prototypical shooting guard height, but the average is almost exactly 6-5. Sometimes we idealize what the game should be and forget all the concessions teams have to make for real basketball games and how many smaller players, or dual point guard set-ups, are utilized. You can see some extremes of 6-foot shooting guards or one near 7-foot, but those are uncommon situations. For wingspan, one can consider 7-foot and above large for a shooting guard. Try not to only focus on height for defensive potential because, for perimeter players especially, wingspan is key for attacking passing lanes and covering offensive players. For standing reach, shooting guards are rarely under 8-foot, and those that play there are normally point guards. Standing reach is important for every player, by the way; I imagine some people think of it as something useful for big men. But you contest shots with your standing reach, not your height.


https://fansided.com/2016/06/23/average-position-measurements-2016/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
Fine.  He has NBA 10 day contract skills.  He's just not good enough for a permanent gig.

Joke: What do you call the person who graduates last in their class from medical school?

Answer: Doctor.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 24, 2018, 09:18:31 PM
Joke: What do you call the person who graduates last in their class from medical school?

Answer: Doctor.


OK.

You claimed above that he has "NBA skills and size" and said that the reason he hasn't stuck was "fit."    It's not "fit."  It's that he's not good enough.

Sure he should be proud of making it.  But its obvious why he's no longer on a roster.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Vander is good enough and big enough to play in the NBA. How do I know this for an absolute fact? Because he played for not one but two NBA teams and even started a game for LA. 

In a different system/team he could’ve stuck.

Disagree? Good for you. That’s what the internet is for. But he dominated the G League and has gotten a couple of cups of coffee in the league. If that isn’t being on the cusp and maybe just not finding the right fit, I don’t know what is.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 24, 2018, 11:40:25 PM
If Vander were bigger or if he were more skilled, he might be a player worthy of more than 10-day contracts.

I mean, he's bigger than some NBA guards (even than some 2-guards, such as the Hornets' Malik Monk), and maybe he's more skilled than a few (big maybe). But the combination of being a skinny 6-3 guy who can't play PG at an NBA level ... it's a hard pass from the entire league.

Not sure why some have difficulty with that. It's a fact, and it has played out as a fact. If he had the size and/or skill (especially the skill), he'd be in the league.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 25, 2018, 07:19:28 AM
Vander is good enough and big enough to play in the NBA. How do I know this for an absolute fact? Because he played for not one but two NBA teams and even started a game for LA. 

In a different system/team he could’ve stuck.

Disagree? Good for you. That’s what the internet is for. But he dominated the G League and has gotten a couple of cups of coffee in the league. If that isn’t being on the cusp and maybe just not finding the right fit, I don’t know what is.
I respect Vander's determination and hard work to try and stay in the NBA and am rooting for him. You are absolutely correct about his ability and size not being a barrier. He is also a kid who puts value on his team winning and has shown some ability in the clutch or down the stretch in games.

I spent some time watching entire G League games over the last few years  where Vander was the feature player. It was interesting to note that many of the commentators, who were NBA Personnel executives, said that Vander was an acquired taste of sorts for GM's . In that his style was primarily driving to the basket and getting fouled which is presently out of vogue.  This compounds his basic problem which is that his shooting is very inconsistent. His percentages are not that far off from what is needed, but  that variance in game to game performance is extreme. So that is why there are very few takers.  I do think the Lakers did him a disservice though, as they pointed out he had to show he was more than a scorer, so when he did get his big chance, with the two way contract last year, he played the role of supportive team guy and then was told he didn't produce. I am not sure that was a reasonable approach either.

Finally, Vander has not proven that he can be a factor in high level international play.  He claims to have turned down big money offers to stay close to his NBA dream which is his choice. I think he needs to show he can play well at the Euro league level at this point to make his case again. Although that is not to say that some team could have some major injuries and he could get lucky and get another 10 day contract and stick.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 25, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
I respect Vander's determination and hard work to try and stay in the NBA and am rooting for him. You are absolutely correct about his ability and size not being a barrier. He is also a kid who puts value on his team winning and has shown some ability in the clutch or down the stretch in games.

I spent some time watching entire G League games over the last few years  where Vander was the feature player. It was interesting to note that many of the commentators, who were NBA Personnel executives, said that Vander was an acquired taste of sorts for GM's . In that his style was primarily driving to the basket and getting fouled which is presently out of vogue.  This compounds his basic problem which is that his shooting is very inconsistent. His percentages are not that far off from what is needed, but  that variance in game to game performance is extreme. So that is why there are very few takers.  I do think the Lakers did him a disservice though, as they pointed out he had to show he was more than a scorer, so when he did get his big chance, with the two way contract last year, he played the role of supportive team guy and then was told he didn't produce. I am not sure that was a reasonable approach either.


This is a good summary.  Except if his shooting is inconsistent, that means he really doesn't have enough "NBA skill."
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on October 25, 2018, 10:48:00 AM
Everyone is in agreement that Vander Blue is a talented basketball player and is right on the cusp of an NBA-caliber player. Some of us (me included) see a spot for him on an NBA roster and others think some of his weaknesses keep him on the outside looking in. It's really a bit of an argument about shades of grey. All, I'm sure, are proud of Vander and grateful for his contributions to Marquette basketball.

Here's an old but on point article on Vander's NBA chances. https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/7/18/15987218/the-curious-case-of-vander-blue-nba-la-dfenders-south-bay-lakers-nba-gleague-summer-league
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 25, 2018, 06:34:33 PM
Portland Trailblazers in discussion with Jamil for possible two way contract per Italian press.
https://www.pianetabasket.com/lega-a/lega-a-fiat-torino-il-futuro-di-jamil-wilson-potrebbe-condurlo-a-portland-166792
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2018, 09:02:57 PM
Everyone is in agreement that Vander Blue is a talented basketball player and is right on the cusp of an NBA-caliber player. Some of us (me included) see a spot for him on an NBA roster and others think some of his weaknesses keep him on the outside looking in. It's really a bit of an argument about shades of grey. All, I'm sure, are proud of Vander and grateful for his contributions to Marquette basketball.

Here's an old but on point article on Vander's NBA chances. https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/7/18/15987218/the-curious-case-of-vander-blue-nba-la-dfenders-south-bay-lakers-nba-gleague-summer-league

It might be a bit of an argument about shades of grey ... but the facts say he is not an NBA player.

I was not among Scoop's Vander-bashers. I liked him as a Warrior, especially (obviously) as a junior but I valued what he brought to the table even before then. I wish he would be an NBA player. But he isn't one.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 26, 2018, 08:57:08 PM
JJJ had a DNP tonight in the Erie Bay Hawks only preseason game , a 141-102. Looks like he may be getting cut. Although the rest of the team sucked so bad he might actually be an improvement lol.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 27, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Wes Matthews credits Pilates for hot start to season. Nice to see Wes doing well. 
 http://basketballsocietyonline.com/wesley-matthews-pilates
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Pistons elect to not pick up Henry’s contract for next year. His lack of shooting skills hurt his cause. Hope they at least give Henry some junk time minutes this year to showcase himself.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Skip Intro on October 31, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
Pistons elect to not pick up Henry’s contract for next year. His lack of shooting skills hurt his cause. Hope they at least give Henry some junk time minutes this year to showcase himself.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/

At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age.  Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling.  If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency.  If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Ain't know big thang. Looney's contrat wuzant picked up last yeer ether. Proved himself, wuz unrestricted, and resigned with GSW for 1 yeer and dey hold his Bird wrights after dis ceeson wen he's unrestricted again. #5 will due just fein, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 31, 2018, 07:59:23 AM
Yeah but Kevon was at least in the rotation somewhat.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2018, 07:59:38 AM
At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age.  Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling.  If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency.  If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.
I have watched him in a half dozen G-league games in Grand Rapids.   The G-league forwards are quicker and more physical than he is.   And even at an average of 6'7, their quickness and physicality can disrupt his shot at the G-league level.   Plus, when he plays in GR, he is a conscience free gunner who still does the whole 'get a defensive rebound, dribble it down court, back into the mid post, then shoot a turnaround jumper with no other teammate touching the ball' thing that he does. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2018, 09:58:26 PM
Looks like Portland passed on Jamil for two way for now.
https://sportando.basketball/fiat-torino-per-ora-nessun-rischio-di-partenza-per-la-nba-per-jamil-wilson/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age.  Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling.  If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency.  If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.

I said similar in the NBA thread on the Superbar.

Henry has to make 3s to play in today's NBA. He still has a chance to improve. Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 01, 2018, 11:23:19 AM
I said similar in the NBA thread on the Superbar.

Henry has to make 3s to play in today's NBA. He still has a chance to improve. Or maybe not.

He has solid form, he just can't hit them. Almost convinced he needs glasses or something.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 02, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
DJO with a solid 27 point outing in his first game for the Iowa Wolves. Really enjoy watching him back in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_t_E1wtH64
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/11/detroit_pistons_assign_henry_e.html

Henry needs minutes.    Assigned to the G-League drive.    I will see him tonight.    Kid's school's band is playing the national anthem. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 03, 2018, 10:35:49 AM
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/11/detroit_pistons_assign_henry_e.html

Henry needs minutes.    Assigned to the G-League drive.    I will see him tonight.    Kid's school's band is playing the national anthem.
Looking forward to your report.  Should be fun for the family too.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2018, 06:00:13 PM
Possible Henry v Jameel McKay match-up tonight.  Spending a lot of time matched against CJ Fair.

Through one half, Henry...
Looks bigger.  Shoulders are broader, more definition to his arms.
Will still get a rebound and push it.  The other bigs will outlet to him while the guards sprint up the wings.
Can't defend.
Had his pocket picked by Tyler Ulis.
When shooting an open 3 has great form and touch.
Will still force a turnaround 3.  Or 4.
https://www.mlive.com/drive/2018/11/ellenson_leads_drive_to_first.html

Ended up with 29-15.    Matched up with CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, and Tre'Darius McCallum most of the night.    All in the 6-7-6'8 range.
Played a really solid game for the most part, offensively. 
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 04, 2018, 11:55:12 AM
Good news for Dwight Buycks he got a job in China.
https://m.pianetabasket.com/cina/mercato-cba-dwight-buycks-torna-in-cina-giochera-per-i-leopards-167607
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2018, 10:36:17 AM
It is interesting that the French, Italian and Spanish press pick up the news about Dwight Buycks going to China but nothing here in the US.

https://www.bebasket.fr/championnat-a-l-etranger/faute-d-offres-en-nba--dwight-buycks-retourne-en-chine.htmlh
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2018, 08:33:22 PM
Jimmy Butler (general soreness) will play on Wednesday against the Lakers.


Thank you JB for gracing us with your brilliance. I know "general soreness" can be very rough. Especially after having to play 8 games already this season.

Ooops.... game is a national broadcast. Make it about you, big guy.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
Good Chinese PR for Dwight Buycks
http://sports.sina.com.cn/basketball/cba/2018-11-06/doc-ihnknmqx5916449.shtml

Is in China now. Apparently he is some kind of alternate foreigner on the roster.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on November 10, 2018, 11:54:30 AM
JFB to Sixers. Makes the East stronger.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
I don't get this for the 76ers. The thing they need most is more outside shooting, and Covington and Saric shoot the second and third most threes on the team (Covington 39% this year and Saric 30% but he's a young guy who shot 39% last year).  Simmons, Butler and Embiid will be fun to watch on defense, but the chemistry risk of adding JFB to that locker room + worsening their offensive achilles heel outweigh the upside for me.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GGGG on November 10, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won’t work.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
I don't get this for the 76ers. The thing they need most is more outside shooting, and Covington and Saric shoot the second and third most threes on the team (Covington 39% this year and Saric 30% but he's a young guy who shot 39% last year).  Simmons, Butler and Embiid will be fun to watch on defense, but the chemistry risk of adding JFB to that locker room + worsening their offensive achilles heel outweigh the upside for me.

Yup. As a Bucks fan, I like this. The 76ers are what the Bucks were the past 4 years. Just put as many athletic slashers as you can together and forget that shooting is what wins in basketball.

Love that the 76ers traded away 2 of their 3 competent shooters for a guy they’ll have for 5 months.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
Very interesting.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 12:19:35 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won’t work.

I've outed myself as a non-fan of JFB's recent behavior, but I don't think the bolded is a given even if you're a JFB fan. He and Embiid are two very wound up alpha dog type dudes who are both young and still growing into that role. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if they didn't mesh, and if they don't mesh, they aren't going to just quietly disagree.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
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The Sixers and Butler, 29, have every intention on formalizing a long-term agreement this summer, sources said, but nothing is allowed to be negotiated or agreed upon now. The Sixers will weigh Butler's physical condition and how he fits with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, but they didn't give up such significant assets believing that this would be a rental situation.

AHAHAHAHA. Can someone photoshop Elton Brand's face onto Charlie Brown trying to kick the football?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUDish on November 10, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.

Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn’t happen today.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 10, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won’t work.

I saw a tweet by a writer basically saying Simmons presents the same type of issues as KAT and Wiggins did. Should be interesting.

It will be interesting to see how the Sixers gel. This could go really well or really poorly I think. I agree with the lack of shooters and looking like the old Bucks comment.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard.

I hope you're right because I love JFB and want to see him do well. But can we agree that if he goes to a third team and then there are locker room issues because "his teammates aren't playing hard enough" that maybe the problem isn't with his teammates, maybe the problem is the only person who was present in all three locker rooms?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.

Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn’t happen today.

This is probably true, but the way that trade went down, I still contend the Bulls did poorly too. Markkanen looks solid, but the original trade was for Dunn, LaVine, and swapping the 7th pick for the 16th. The Bulls took Markkanen at 7, but the Wolves took Justin Patton at 16 - so you kind of forget that the Markkanen pick wasn't an additional pick that year.  Had the Wolves taken OG Anunoby or Kyle Kuzma instead of Justin Patton at 16, and the trade were remembered as "JFB and Kyle Kuzma for Dunn, LaVine, and Markkanen" it wouldn't look like as much of a win for Chi.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2018, 02:15:03 PM
Hope Jimmy is able to thrive in his new environment.  Will be good for MU if he does.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 10, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.

Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn’t happen today.

I said that the day it happened the Bulls definitely won that trade.

Don't get me wrong, GarPax suck, but even a blind squirrel...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
I've outed myself as a non-fan of JFB's recent behavior, but I don't think the bolded is a given even if you're a JFB fan. He and Embiid are two very wound up alpha dog type dudes who are both young and still growing into that role. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if they didn't mesh, and if they don't mesh, they aren't going to just quietly disagree.

I agree there could be problems. This is Embiid's team. He is the better player.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2018, 06:05:15 PM
Maybee Jimmy kan reestablish our relationship wit Philly Coach, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUDish on November 10, 2018, 09:19:31 PM
This is probably true, but the way that trade went down, I still contend the Bulls did poorly too. Markkanen looks solid, but the original trade was for Dunn, LaVine, and swapping the 7th pick for the 16th. The Bulls took Markkanen at 7, but the Wolves took Justin Patton at 16 - so you kind of forget that the Markkanen pick wasn't an additional pick that year.  Had the Wolves taken OG Anunoby or Kyle Kuzma instead of Justin Patton at 16, and the trade were remembered as "JFB and Kyle Kuzma for Dunn, LaVine, and Markkanen" it wouldn't look like as much of a win for Chi.

I’m getting old, I totally forgot about the 16th pick, you’re right.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 11, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
I said that the day it happened the Bulls definitely won that trade.

Don't get me wrong, GarPax suck, but even a blind squirrel...

Disagree. None of those players are as good as Jimmy or really even close. With almost no exceptions in NBA trades, if you get the best player you won.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 16, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
Watched Henry again tonight.  Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance.  Again against the Windy City Bulls.  CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with.   Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller.   He worked hard on defense tonight.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 16, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
Watched Henry again tonight.  Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance.  Again against the Windy City Bulls.  CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with.   Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller.   He worked hard on defense tonight.

CJ Fair, the only Syracuse player I've ever liked.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2018, 09:24:42 PM
Watched Henry again tonight.  Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance.  Again against the Windy City Bulls.  CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with.   Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller.   He worked hard on defense tonight.
Thanks for the uodate
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 16, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
Watched Henry again tonight.  Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance. 

Nothing new.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2018, 06:55:31 AM
Whole team could not hit.  6-32
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2018, 05:50:20 PM
Fantastic News For Vander. He has been signed by the Bucks G League affiliate. 

https://www.channel3000.com/sports/herd-sign-madison-native-vander-blue/870263626

Good luck Vander. Hope it works out this time.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 25, 2018, 10:15:03 PM
D Wade with 35 points 6 assists 5 rebounds and 1 blocked shot in 34 minutes off the bench for the Heat  in their loss to the Raptors.

He has been playing well this season, took some time off for the birth of his daughter , and is now picking up where he left off.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2018, 10:35:45 PM
Wade continues to play well. Led the Heat down the stretch to a win over the Jazz and Jae Crowder.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/jazz-100-heat-102-game-recap-181202?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_heat&utm_campaign=heatdotcom_gamerecap
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
DJO on the sixers now??

I just had NBA countdown on in the background and they cut to jimmy walking around in the tunnel with DJO

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
DJO on the sixers now??

I just had NBA countdown on in the background and they cut to jimmy walking around in the tunnel with DJO
DJO still on the Iowa Wolves.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 07:51:03 PM
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/

So?

Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?

Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on December 06, 2018, 10:02:12 PM
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/

Good for Deonte "Empty Cupboard" Burton.  Glad to see him straight BAMMIN on people THE LEAGUE.

#bodyBag
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
So?

Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?

Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?
John was asked to play the wing by the coaches. He has made the Greensboro Swarm G League team two years in a row. It is not in debate that John has real basketball talent by those who are willing to pay him to do so .
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2018, 10:35:05 PM
John was asked to play the wing by the coaches. He has made the Greensboro Swarm G League team two years in a row. It is not in debate that John has real basketball talent by those who are willing to pay him to do so .

Lol.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 06, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
So?

Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?

Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?

In a Marquette NBA thread it kinda makes sense to post articles about former MU players progress in the NBA / G League. There's no issue with the link at all.

Why bring up Dawson?
Better question: Why try to turn yet another thread into that downward spiral? Geez.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
In a Marquette NBA thread it kinda makes sense to post articles about former MU players progress in the NBA / G League. There's no issue with the link at all.

Why bring up Dawson?
Better question: Why try to turn yet another thread into that downward spiral? Geez.

Ah ... so this is on me. Cool.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: skianth16 on December 07, 2018, 08:33:28 AM
Ah ... so this is on me. Cool.

Yeah, this one is for sure. You brought up Dawson based on an article about Deonte's progress with OKC. And the only reason you did it was to start the same tired argument again. Come on, it's all been hashed out by now. 99% of the board is sick of reading it over and over again.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2018, 08:58:23 AM
Yeah, this one is for sure. You brought up Dawson based on an article about Deonte's progress with OKC. And the only reason you did it was to start the same tired argument again. Come on, it's all been hashed out by now. 99% of the board is sick of reading it over and over again.

I brought up Dawson because I felt Ners was being passive aggressive and this was my way of calling him out on it.

I allow that I could have been wrong and Ners was just kindly sharing some information -- sort of like when I kindly share information about Shaka losing at home to Radford.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
For the record this thread is for any Marquette alumni who play in the NBA or NBAG-League.

Interpret the term "alumni" however you would like to though the initial vision was those who ended their collegiate careers with us.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on December 07, 2018, 09:09:28 AM
For the record this thread is for any Marquette alumni who play in the NBA or NBAG-League.

Interpret the term "alumni" however you would like to though the initial vision was those who ended their collegiate careers with us.

In that case, Cinmeon Bowers from the MU alumni TBT team averaged 6.6 points per game this year with the Wisconsin Herd.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on December 07, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can’t play D.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2018, 05:06:21 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can’t play D.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
Couldn't, not can't.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on December 07, 2018, 05:49:27 PM
Couldn't, not can't.
Wasn't particularly interested in
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2018, 06:03:06 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can’t play D.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo

I'd put that very far down the list on what makes a basketball player a good defender.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2018, 10:26:46 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can’t play D.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo

I feel even less badly about my Dawson response now.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on December 07, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Couldn't, not can't.

I'll take that one step further, "wouldn't," not "couldn't."
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2019, 12:18:38 AM
Solid research report on Deonte Burton.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2019/01/06/deonte-burton-iowa-state-cyclones-oklahoma-city-thunder/2495620002/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
Vander has been traded by the Wisconsin Herd to The Texas Legends. He is now teammates with Kostas. This is great news as it formalizes the long awaited MU and Kostas Connection. As Kostas will always have an MU teammate now, whether he is with Legend or the Mavericks. 

https://texas.gleague.nba.com/news/legends-acquire-vander-blue/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 07:21:44 PM
Vander has been traded by the Wisconsin Herd to The Texas Legends. He is now teammates with Kostas. This is great news as it formalizes the long awaited MU and Kostas Connection. As Kostas will always have an MU teammate now, whether he is with Legend or the Mavericks. 

https://texas.gleague.nba.com/news/legends-acquire-vander-blue/

Awesome.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on January 26, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
So no MU night honoring Vander at a herd game?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2019, 07:36:24 PM
So no MU night honoring Vander at a herd game?
No but I think the Badgers were thinking of giving him some special recognition as Vander was looking for a massage therapist recently.
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1085291787495895042
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 31, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
Crap, Wes is a Knick.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 31, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Crap, Wes is a Knick.

Pretty sure he’s on the last year of his deal and they wanted to take another expiring.

However, if he did stick around, you’re talking about a team with DSJ, a likely top 3 pick (Zion? Barrett?), and the cap space for 2 max contracts, one of which is allegedly KD. Of course it’s the Knicks and they will likely mess it up, but that’s a tasty basis for a team, in a top 3 most attractive market for players
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 06:11:31 PM
Wes may end up with the  Rockets.
https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/31/knicks-mavericks-trade-news-wesley-matthews-buyout-houston-rockets/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 31, 2019, 06:29:02 PM
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?
Two thins. First , His contract was not extended. So the Pistons have no vested  interest in playing him. Second he has had an ankle injury since December 10 and I am sure he is taking his time to work back from that because of point one above. When he does come back he needs to be in good form to impress some other team to sign him.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 01, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
Two thins. First , His contract was not extended. So the Pistons have no vested  interest in playing him. Second he has had an ankle injury since December 10 and I am sure he is taking his time to work back from that because of point one above. When he does come back he needs to be in good form to impress some other team to sign him.

I knew about point 1. Was not aware of the injury.

Henry will be in Europe somewhere next season. Bummer for the kid.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: oldwarrior81 on February 01, 2019, 06:02:41 PM
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?

Off the injury list today, and shipped off to Grand Rapids.  Hopefully for him, to rehab before joining the Pistons for the last month or so.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 01, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
I knew about point 1. Was not aware of the injury.

Henry will be in Europe somewhere next season. Bummer for the kid.

Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on February 01, 2019, 08:36:58 PM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity

Certainly beats most of the jobs other kids his age have, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on February 02, 2019, 12:48:47 AM
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy.  Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2019, 06:27:12 AM
Certainly beats most of the jobs other kids his age have, ai na?

I don't know I really loved my early and mid 20s making cold calls for Groupon and Stericycle. If I were him I'd pass up playing basketball around the world to do that in a heartbeat!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on February 02, 2019, 06:58:32 AM
I don't know I really loved my early and mid 20s making cold calls for Groupon and Stericycle. If I were him I'd pass up playing basketball around the world to do that in a heartbeat!

You are getting paid to do something that most people do for fun.  If it pays the bills, what's not to love?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Same for being a gigolo or lady of da evenin', hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy.  Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.

I don’t see the Warriors adding him, so really no chance at a championship this year.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity

I mean ya, obviously better than a desk job. But also obviously not even remotely close to how he planned his first contract going. It’s been an unmitigated disaster.

Hope he finds somewhere to latch on in the NBA next season, though. Will always root for the kid.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2019, 01:05:02 PM
You are getting paid to do something that most people do for fum.  If it pays the bills, what's not to love?

Oh I was being sarcastic, cold calling sucks.

Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.

Yeah I wouldn't mind doing either one.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: warriorchick on February 02, 2019, 01:30:16 PM
Oh I was being sarcastic, cold calling sucks.


I know, honey, was agreeing with you,   :-*
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 02, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
It’s been an unmitigated disaster.

Nice use of hyperbole
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.

Henry is an early 20s recent lottery pick. He’s not playing in Romania. He will end up in Spain, Italy, or Greece/Turkey on one of the Euroleague teams. It’s not the NBA, but it’s high level ball and playing in 10-15K arenas. Luke Fischer’s team in Gran Canaria plays in a 12K seat arena
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 02, 2019, 01:46:26 PM
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy.  Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.

Hope Jimmy recruits him to the Sixers, just what they need
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Same for being a gigolo or lady of da evenin', hey?

Witch r u?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Johnny B on February 02, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
Yeah its bizarre. 6'10 guy who is decently athletic. Who can dribble and pass and shoot. It's odd how he hasn't looked like he can make it in the nba at all... guys like john luer can make it but not Henry? Hell idk I think Joey will play nba ball. Is Joey better? Lol crap idk
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on February 02, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Yeah its bizarre. 6'10 guy who is decently athletic. Who can dribble and pass and shoot. It's odd how he hasn't looked like he can make it in the nba at all... guys like john luer can make it but not Henry? Hell idk I think Joey will play nba ball. Is Joey better? Lol crap idk

I think "can't shoot" may be more accurate.  Henry was drafted on the potential to develop into a good shooter,  but that part hasn't developed as hoped.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Eldon on February 02, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.

Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?

Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lazar's Headband on February 02, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?

Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked

Top European leagues definitely pay over $100k.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?

Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked

Median MLS salary in 2017 was $135K. It's gone up since then. Last year, 25 MLS players were being paid more than seven figures.

Euro basketball salaries can vary widely by leagues, but the top players in the better leagues can earn high six to seven figures. And remember, it's often tax free. China also is becoming a high-paid option for American players.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2019, 03:56:28 PM
I think "can't shoot" may be more accurate.  Henry was drafted on the potential to develop into a good shooter,  but that part hasn't developed as hoped.
from what I remember reading, when healthy, he wasn't seeing the floor because of his defense
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
Henry has been healing from an ankle injury.   Rehabbing last night and tonight in the G-league.   I am about to go watch him.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 07:53:16 PM
Henry is an early 20s recent lottery pick. He’s not playing in Romania. He will end up in Spain, Italy, or Greece/Turkey on one of the Euroleague teams. It’s not the NBA, but it’s high level ball and playing in 10-15K arenas. Luke Fischer’s team in Gran Canaria plays in a 12K seat arena
Fair enough.  Per wiki, average attendance this year has been 5,800+.  Not as small as I expected.  Couldn't find any salary info though. Looks like he is the 3rd string C, averaging < 4ppg, so I doubt he is getting paid much.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on February 04, 2019, 08:04:52 PM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
He would be making much more than that and in front of larger crowds. He wouldn't be going to a lower division.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: IrwinFletcher on February 05, 2019, 07:53:32 AM
Aaron White from Iowa makes $300,000 playing in Lithuania.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lessthannick11 on February 08, 2019, 01:40:15 PM
Henry Ellenson will be released soon. That might end his NBA career for a while

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2019, 01:42:43 PM
Henry Ellenson will be released soon.

Smoke and Mirrors
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
Things didn’t work out for Henry in Detroit. Let’s hope he can get picked up by a g league team for the rest of this year .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/252598/Pistons-To-Sign-Wayne-Ellington-Waive-Henry-Ellenson
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2019, 10:31:06 PM
I mean surely he put how how many million in the bank already? Cant feel to bad for him
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 08, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Wild that just a couple years ago I think we hadn't the most guys in the NBA in my lifetime and now here we are with wade retiring and Henry getting waived leaving us with three and who knows how many more years Matthews has.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: WarriorFan on February 09, 2019, 12:43:13 AM
I'd say with Matthews at Indiana while Oladipo is out - he will get pretty good run there, probably for 2 years. 

Sounds like he's a real positive guy - based on Fizdale's comments.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/david-fizdale-gets-in-final-enes-kanter-jab-with-matthews-praise/

I hoped he'd get a chance with a contender - thought his D and 3 would really help a team like Golden State.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Norm on February 09, 2019, 02:05:06 AM
Henry Ellenson will be released soon. That might end his NBA career for a while
Pistons announced they were not picking up his option back in October. He's played 2 games for them this season. His NBA career could be over.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 09, 2019, 04:42:26 AM
Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked

The MLS salary piece was already debunked, but not even close to true on professional appeal. Many places it’s second after soccer (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, former Soviet nations). Places like France, Germany, and Belgium have strong well followed leagues as well. Europe’s impact on professional and Olympic basketball dwarfs that of the US in international soccer
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 09, 2019, 05:28:34 AM
The MLS salary piece was already debunked, but not even close to true on professional appeal. Many places it’s second after soccer (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, former Soviet nations). Places like France, Germany, and Belgium have strong well followed leagues as well. Europe’s impact on professional and Olympic basketball dwarfs that of the US in international soccer

Hockey still number 2 in the former Soviet states I'd say but overall good point
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
Pistons officially release Henry.

I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: AirPunch on February 09, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
Pistons officially release Henry.

I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.

I’m not sure how I will ever get to bed after reading this news.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on February 10, 2019, 12:20:21 AM
Pistons officially release Henry.

I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.

~$3 million should last quite a while up der en Rice Lake, aina?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on February 12, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
It's been a rough go for Henry Ellenson and Diamond Stone, the faces of Wisconsin basketball in 2015

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/12/ellenson-released-pistons-its-been-rough-go-diamond-stone/2841033002/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on February 12, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401071514
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on February 12, 2019, 02:26:02 PM
.....wearing the blue and gold.
Title: Henry Released and Diamond in the G-League
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on February 12, 2019, 11:16:09 PM
It's been a rough go for Henry Ellenson and Diamond Stone, the faces of Wisconsin basketball in 2015
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/12/ellenson-released-pistons-its-been-rough-go-diamond-stone/2841033002/

It's premature to already write the career obituary of any player good enough to be drafted into the NBA after one year of college basketball in 2016, but the 2015 co-Mr. Basketball recipients in Wisconsin have had a rough go.

Henry Ellenson, the former star at Rice Lake who spent one year at Marquette University, was waived by the Detroit Pistons over the weekend as the franchise swooped in to sign Wayne Ellington. The 2016 first-round pick, taken 18th overall, was the youngest player on the roster and is only 21 years old, but Detroit already made it clear in October that Ellenson wasn't in the organization's long-term plans.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
DJO has been quietly having a very productive season for the Iowa Wolves. I realize it is the G League but the consistency has been there game after game. Has played several roles, PG, SG and even SF.

DJO anti doping suspension ends March 16. So the question is will he get called up by the T Wolves or will he go back and finish off the season back  in Italy  to make a few bucks?

Would be great if he could get a couple of 10 day contracts here.   
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 17, 2019, 06:35:00 PM
DJO anti doping suspension ends March 16. So the question is will he get called up by the T Wolves or will he go back and finish off the season back  in Italy  to make a few bucks?

Hadn't been following, so this made it sound performance enhancing.  But no, it was just dope.  Metabolized THC.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MuMark on February 19, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Forward Henry Ellenson plans to sign a 10-day contract with the New York Knicks, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2019, 08:51:50 PM
Forward Henry Ellenson plans to sign a 10-day contract with the New York Knicks, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Excellent News for Henry. Hope he can play and get it renewed .

In the meantime DJO and the Iowa Wolves will be battling Vander and the Texas Legends Wednesday . Should be an instant G League classic .

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2019, 11:26:19 PM
With about 1 minute left in OT in tonight's Jazz-Thunder game, Jae stepped in and drew a charge on Westbrook for Westbrook's 6th foul. Clutch, heady play by one of my all-time favorite Warriors!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
Delighted that Henry got a chance to play 36 minutes tonight. Hopefully he can build off of it.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2019, 12:36:53 AM
Interviews with DJO who is having a very good year with Iowa Wolves. Talks about working at MU in part 1 and mentions his MU degree in part 2

 https://www.kcci.com/article/a-pro-ballers-journey-pt1-darius-johnson-odom-iowa-wolves/26506699

https://www.kcci.com/article/a-pro-ballers-journey-pt-2-darius-johnson-odom-iowa-wolves/26507317


Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Wes has a pre game coffee ritual. 
 https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2019/02/24/indiana-pacers-wesley-matthews-has-hot-pre-game-ritual-get-him-wired-nba-players-coffee/2791820002/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 28, 2019, 04:54:30 AM
Holy crap DWade with the crazy 3 to beat the Warriors (!) at the buzzer.  Nice.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 1SE on February 28, 2019, 05:06:05 AM
Can we bring the GOAT discussion to this thread?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2019, 09:23:03 AM
Can we bring the GOAT discussion to this thread?
Hoping D Wade and the Heat makes the playoffs.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
Henry signs contract for rest of the season.  Hopefully he can show enough so the Knicks pick up the option.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/henry-ellenson-turns-fast-start-into-longer-knicks-contract/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2019, 10:01:38 PM
Wes playing hard  for another contract
https://www.mavs.com/wesley-matthews-touched-by-tribute-but-hasnt-changed-a-bit-with-pacers/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 05, 2019, 09:28:21 PM
DJO has been playing well all season for Iowa Wolves in g league. Just won player of the month for February.  Hopefully, something good happens for DJO.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-call-up-candidates-darius-johnson-odom-rob-gray-derek-cooke-jr-chinanu-onuaku-dusty-hannahs/

Also in 12 days his suspension for doping expires. So who knows he may back in Italy playing with Travis or Jamil again soon.
 







Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 26, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
DJO finished up a very successful season with the Iowa Wolves. Unfortunately he was not called up by the T Wolves. However, now that his drug suspension is over he has signed a contract to finish out the season in Italy. I hope he plays for the MU TBT again this year.
https://sportando.basketball/en/reggio-emilia-signs-darius-johnson-odom-and-darel-poirier/

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/darius-johnson-odom-heads-to-italy/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on April 09, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
DWade eliminated from the playoffs  :'(
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 09, 2019, 10:09:52 PM
DWade eliminated from the playoffs  :'(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/dwyane-wade-final-home-game-heat-highlights-video/amp/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Chief Cohen getting some attention in NBA Land.

https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1138490513647112192
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 11, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
Chief Cohen getting some attention in NBA Land.

https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1138490513647112192

Summer league.  Good luck to Sandy.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on June 14, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
JFB has opted for free agency. Sixers can pay him more than others, but it's nice to think about where he might end up.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Cheeks on June 15, 2019, 05:01:53 PM
JFB has opted for free agency. Sixers can pay him more than others, but it's nice to think about where he might end up.

Flakers
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on June 17, 2019, 01:22:50 PM
Flakers

It wasn't funny the first 10 times...

If he travels west, I think JFB ends up with the Clippers.  Leonard and JFB with the nice young pieces they have.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Cheeks on June 19, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
It wasn't funny the first 10 times...

If he travels west, I think JFB ends up with the Clippers.  Leonard and JFB with the nice young pieces they have.

I said it twice.....
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Anti-Dentite on June 19, 2019, 09:57:47 AM
I said it twice.....
Sounds like you should retire it after this brief unsuccessful run.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: drewm88 on June 19, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 19, 2019, 02:35:52 PM
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.

I'm a big fan of Conley's and would love to have him on the Bucks.  That's a pretty steep price for a 32 year old though.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 19, 2019, 02:50:36 PM
I'm a big fan of Conley's and would love to have him on the Bucks.  That's a pretty steep price for a 32 year old though.

I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.

2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 19, 2019, 02:59:53 PM
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.
Solid Research Report on the trade.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/06/19/mike-conley-trade-memphis-grizzlies-utah-jazz/1499726001/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 19, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.

2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.

Agreed. If healthy, Conley is still one of the top 5-10 PGs in the world.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on June 19, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.

2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.

In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.

All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 19, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.

All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.

Agreed.  This all but guarantees Rubio walks, they lose 2 of their more reliable shooters (their weakness), and they get a guy who will be 32 years old, has consistently had injury issues, and is  going to make $66M over the next 2 seasons.  In a league where you need the elite of the elite to win a title, they don't have that.  I see a lot of "solid" to "very good" players and no "great" players on this team.  When's the last time a team without a top 5 player in the NBA won a title?  I'm not sold this team has even a top 20 player in the NBA (Gobert is good, but offensively limited).
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: swoopem on June 20, 2019, 01:10:47 PM
Agreed.  This all but guarantees Rubio walks, they lose 2 of their more reliable shooters (their weakness), and they get a guy who will be 32 years old, has consistently had injury issues, and is  going to make $66M over the next 2 seasons.  In a league where you need the elite of the elite to win a title, they don't have that.  I see a lot of "solid" to "very good" players and no "great" players on this team.  When's the last time a team without a top 5 player in the NBA won a title?  I'm not sold this team has even a top 20 player in the NBA (Gobert is good, but offensively limited).

The 2004 pistons
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 20, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
The 2004 pistons

Yup.  That's the last team I can think of.  So 15 years ago.  And that team had one player who will most likely make the HOF (Billups) and another one who is a coin flip for it (Wallace, as crazy as it is to think a guy who never averaged double figures in scoring for a season could be a HOFer).  I'm not sure the Jazz have any future HOFers.  Gobert could get there eventually.  I personally don't see it with Mitchell and I don't think Conley has even made an AS Game (which he should have by now).
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 20, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.

All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.

I agree. Conley just makes them a bit better - not a favorite.

My point was that Memphis got not very much in return. There was no doubt that the Griz will be Ja’s team, so apparently that was the best offer they got.

I just don’t see
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on June 20, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
I agree. Conley just makes them a bit better - not a favorite.

My point was that Memphis got not very much in return. There was no doubt that the Griz will be Ja’s team, so apparently that was the best offer they got.

I think for Memphis, the return is not paying Mike Conley $67 million over the next two years. He's a good player and all, but an oft-injured point guard on the wrong side of 30 is useless for a rebuilding team.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on June 20, 2019, 05:53:11 PM
So is Heldt still on the board by pick 30 tonight?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: swoopem on June 20, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Yup.  That's the last team I can think of.  So 15 years ago.  And that team had one player who will most likely make the HOF (Billups) and another one who is a coin flip for it (Wallace, as crazy as it is to think a guy who never averaged double figures in scoring for a season could be a HOFer).  I'm not sure the Jazz have any future HOFers.  Gobert could get there eventually.  I personally don't see it with Mitchell and I don't think Conley has even made an AS Game (which he should have by now).

Actually that’s interesting to think about: had there ever been a team that won it that didn’t have a hall of famer? I don’t think Chauncey is a lock. I’d actually think Ben Wallace has a better chance. I can think of every team back to the 1977 blazers and they all had some in the hall
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 20, 2019, 06:46:25 PM
So Jae and Ja are on the same team now.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 20, 2019, 06:51:19 PM
So Jae and Ja are on the same team now.

Ya
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on June 20, 2019, 06:59:49 PM
Knew they’d show the video of Morant putting his nuts in Joeys face on that dunk when he got picked
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on June 20, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Actually that’s interesting to think about: had there ever been a team that won it that didn’t have a hall of famer? I don’t think Chauncey is a lock. I’d actually think Ben Wallace has a better chance. I can think of every team back to the 1977 blazers and they all had some in the hall

Larry Brown is in the HOF, so there's that.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on June 20, 2019, 07:38:40 PM
So is Heldt still on the board by pick 30 tonight?

Bucks traded the pick, so he'd be headed to Detroit.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 21, 2019, 03:42:46 AM
Marial Shayok former MU commit drafted by 76ers in second round.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: franklinjerry on June 21, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
The record for most franchises in a career is 12. I think Jae has a shot!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 08:23:24 PM
Jamil Wilson working out with 76ers. Good luck Jamil.


https://sportando.basketball/jamil-wilson-tra-gli-atleti-impegnati-in-un-workout-per-free-agent-con-i-76ers/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 23, 2019, 08:31:52 PM
Jamil Wilson working out with 76ers. Good luck Jamil.


https://sportando.basketball/jamil-wilson-tra-gli-atleti-impegnati-in-un-workout-per-free-agent-con-i-76ers/

Hopefully he wraps it before tapping it this time.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on June 25, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
12:07PM 25 Jun 19

Shout out to former Seymour, Marquette and UW-Green Bay wing Sandy Cohen for signing a summer contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2019, 06:45:09 PM
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
12:07PM 25 Jun 19

Shout out to former Seymour, Marquette and UW-Green Bay wing Sandy Cohen for signing a summer contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Great work Chief
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on June 29, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
Anybody know if there’s any MU guys playing in the summer league this year?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 29, 2019, 06:49:22 PM
Anybody know if there’s any MU guys playing in the summer league this year?
As of June 27
https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/27/nba-summer-league-rosters-2019/

Juan Anderson Golden State


Also. Sandy Cohen is playing for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Deonte Burton is playing for Oklahoma City.

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
Sew one, Juan, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 30, 2019, 01:05:03 PM
Fun Interview With Jimmy Butler. It is worth taking the time to watch. Moved this to its own thread.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58868.msg1142013#msg1142013
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
jfb to miami?  interesting

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUDish on June 30, 2019, 10:31:42 PM
jfb to miami?  interesting

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler

...or maybe not...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Cheeks on June 30, 2019, 11:45:13 PM
...or maybe not...

Mavericks backed out of deal, so trade is in limbo for now.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 01, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
Wes Matthews signing with the Bucks
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 01, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Wes Matthews signing with the Bucks

LOVE it.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on July 01, 2019, 03:27:48 PM
A little surprised they got him for the minimum, but it's a chance to come home and play on a title contender.

Lost a step after the achilles, but still gives them some much-needed outside shooting after Brogdon's departure.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on July 01, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Wes Matthews signing with the Bucks

Nice. Hopefully he can be a shooter off the bench.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 01, 2019, 04:27:34 PM
Excellent News for Wes, The Bucks and MU. Wes should be a solid contributor for a contender .
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 01, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
Seeing "Herman Cain" I see there's a Godfather's Pizza in Minneapolis Airport.  I just didn't think that crap they called pizza really existed?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 01, 2019, 05:03:57 PM
Seeing "Herman Cain" I see there's a Godfather's Pizza in Minneapolis Airport.  I just didn't think that crap they called pizza really existed?
It’s big in the upper Midwest and Great Plains . If you want a franchise we can get you in touch with the right people.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 01, 2019, 06:13:47 PM
Wes to the Bucks is awesome

Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on July 01, 2019, 06:17:22 PM
Wes to the Bucks is awesome



Very cool to see him get a chance playing in front of friends and family (including, of course, his MU family)...and on a team with legit title hopes.

Welcome home, Wesley!
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 01, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
Should help Woj's recruitin', aina?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 01, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
Should help Woj's recruitin', aina?
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 02, 2019, 07:36:31 AM
Excellent research report by Matty V on Wes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/1615806001
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on July 03, 2019, 02:56:03 PM
Juan’s been getting some decent PT in the Warriors summer league games, he went 3-3 from the field I believe in the first game so they rewarded him with a start in today’s game vs Miami and Tyler Herro
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 04, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
I hope Swaggy Du can get another shot at the G League this year. Looks like he is 100 percent healthy again.

https://twitter.com/MkeSummaJam2019/status/1146136817911156737
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 06, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Doc with Presidential endorsement

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1147483613367361539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3920261594498901765.ampproject.net%2F1906282130140%2Fframe.html
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Bling on July 10, 2019, 10:06:10 PM
Anybody catch ESPN2 announcers referring to Jordan Howard as Markus during Summer League Lakers vs Knicks tonight. They haven’t realized their error yet, keep saying Markus. LOL

Autocorrect
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on July 10, 2019, 10:22:16 PM
When they say it, do they say it with a “c”?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 15, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Henry Ellenson signing a two-way contract with the Nets.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 15, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
Henry Ellenson signing a two-way contract with the Nets.

Good slot for him. His position is down the greatest player in the game so the opportunity is there to be a solid backup.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 15, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
Good move for Henry. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 15, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
Good move for Sam. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.

huh?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 15, 2019, 01:07:39 PM
He meant Henry. Easy mistake. All those white dudes look alike.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on July 15, 2019, 03:12:18 PM
Good move for Sam. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.
I think congratulations are in order for Sam.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 15, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
He meant Henry. Easy mistake. All those white dudes look alike.

Like GarPax.  SamHe?
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 15, 2019, 04:03:54 PM
huh?

He meant Henry. Easy mistake. All those white dudes look alike.
Correction noted . Good point FBM.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 17, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
Happy Birthday Vander

https://mobile.twitter.com/Lake_Show_Time/status/1151569551043129344
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 18, 2019, 08:17:17 PM
Excellent research report on Lou Williams, JJJ's uncle . Mentions how Doc Rivers has embraced him.
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/lou-williams-story/
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 22, 2019, 11:03:33 PM
Juan Anderson really working hard on defense.  At a minimum I think he makes the Warriors G League again and who knows may come from that.

https://twitter.com/GSWReddit/status/1153024280105328640
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: MUDPT on August 27, 2019, 04:58:32 PM
https://theathletic.com/1164008/2019/08/26/chase-center-tour-some-early-thoughts-on-the-warriors-new-arena/

Juan has a locker in the new Warriors arena...
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 27, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
https://theathletic.com/1164008/2019/08/26/chase-center-tour-some-early-thoughts-on-the-warriors-new-arena/

Juan has a locker in the new Warriors arena...

With Juan it seems that Buzz maybe wasn't the talent developer that people remember him as. Awful lot of average college players under him going on to be borderline NBA players.
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on August 27, 2019, 06:55:57 PM
Cue up the Buzz V Crean debate in 3.2.1....
Title: Re: Marquette NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 27, 2019, 07:19:29 PM
Bazz was fantastic at creating a system that fit the personnel he had and he was fantastic at getting teams to play harder than their opponents.

Bazz wasn’t very good at developing talent and most of his most productive players were guys who developed at the JUCO level first. His high school recruits very rarely met expectations. Vander was about what he should’ve been and Davante far exceeded what anyone thought he would be. Otherwise most of the high school guys were meh. He excelled with guys who came in physically advanced and skilled like DJO, Jae, and Jimmy (though Jimmy did develop at MU much more than the first two) who came from JUCOs.