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MUfan12

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 09:42:16 AM
They only team they are clearly behind is Boston.

Yup. Although we didn't get either side playing at full strength during the regular season, so who knows what it might have looked like.

Doc is assembling a really good staff, and hopefully they can figure some things out with a full offseason.


The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 09:23:02 AM
Exactly.  And they gave themselves no time to build a roster that had Dame on it instead of Jrue.  They made moves to add Malik and Cam Payne for scoring punch off of the bench with the assumption that everything else would stay the same, and then suddenly you trade your defensive stopper for all offense and your roster just doesn't make sense.

It's a big offseason for Horst.  His drafting has sucked and it's not the best draft, plus he has no cap space for anything other than vet minimums.  So he'll have to be creative.  But he has a chance to build a roster that actually fits having Dame on it now.

Horst hasn't had a decent draft pick since Donte, but he's been at the bottom of round one if he even had a pick. It's not as though there were obvious misses.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Holy hell all time

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 10:14:01 AM
Horst hasn't had a decent draft pick since Donte, but he's been at the bottom of round one if he even had a pick. It's not as though there were obvious misses.

His first pick was DJ Wilson and I think everyone in the world knew that was a horrible pick.  I hated the MarJon pick and I think that also surprised a lot of people.  But yeah the rest are just not having any picks to use.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 10:25:48 AM
His first pick was DJ Wilson and I think everyone in the world knew that was a horrible pick.  I hated the MarJon pick and I think that also surprised a lot of people.  But yeah the rest are just not having any picks to use.

Ah. I didn't think DJ was his choice. Yeah that wasn't great.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 09:42:16 AM
They only team they are clearly behind is Boston.

Ya....I completely disagree with you. 

Holy hell all time

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:17:22 PM
Ya....I completely disagree with you.

So you think the team they took to 6 (who also went to the ECF) with Giannis playing 0 seconds and Dame missing 2.5 games is "clearly ahead" of the Bucks? The Bucks would have the 2 best players and 3 of the 4 best players in a series against them if healthy.

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 06:52:33 PM
So you think the team they took to 6 (who also went to the ECF) with Giannis playing 0 seconds and Dame missing 2.5 games is "clearly ahead" of the Bucks? The Bucks would have the 2 best players and 3 of the 4 best players in a series against them if healthy.

They don't defend and aren't getting any younger. 

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:17:22 PM
Ya....I completely disagree with you. 

Well, you're wrong. They finished a game behind the Knicks, ahead of the Sixers, and would have beat the Pacers with Giannis.

But they're "clearly behind" those teams? Typical Muggsy, terrible take.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 06:58:27 PM
Well, you're wrong. They finished a game behind the Knicks, ahead of the Sixers, and would have beat the Pacers with Giannis.

But they're "clearly behind" those teams? Typical Muggsy, terrible take.

Oh and here are the odds to win the title next year.

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/40379566/nba-championship-odds-2024-25-betting-favorites

Bucks: 10-1
Knicks: 16-1
Sixers: 16-1
Pacers: 33-1
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 06:58:27 PM
Well, you're wrong. They finished a game behind the Knicks, ahead of the Sixers, and would have beat the Pacers with Giannis.

But they're "clearly behind" those teams? Typical Muggsy, terrible take.

You don't know that at all.  This team is old.  They are nowhere near competing for a title as they currently stand.  That's all that matters. 

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 07:01:07 PM
You don't know that at all.  This team is old.  They are nowhere near competing for a title as they currently stand.  That's all that matters. 

Strike two. Of course they compete for a title as they currently stand. Do I think they will win it? Probably not. But saying they can't compete is insane.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 07:02:45 PM
Strike two. Of course they compete for a title as they currently stand. Do I think they will win it? Probably not. But saying they can't compete is insane.

You're whistling dixie here Fluffy. 

4everwarriors

They're slow as molasses, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MuggsyB

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 18, 2024, 07:03:53 PM
They're slow as molasses, hey?

I have eyes.  Thay can't guard and this is a severe problem. 

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 07:10:35 PM
Strike three.

You lack foresight.  This team hasn't won a playoff series in quite some time.  Again, they're not getting younger. 

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 07:12:09 PM
You lack foresight.  This team hasn't won a playoff series in quite some time.  Again, they're not getting younger. 

Yes, you keep repeating this. You're still wrong. They aren't "clearly behind" anyone but the Celtics.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 07:17:24 PM
Yes, you keep repeating this. You're still wrong. They aren't "clearly behind" anyone but the Celtics.

So you would just run this team back as it stands? 

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 07:19:03 PM
So you would just run this team back as it stands? 

No. No team runs back as it stands. Any changes will be on the fringe however.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

4everwarriors

Peddle #34 while he's got some value, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 18, 2024, 07:56:16 PM
Peddle #34 while he's got some value, aina?

I like this. Last time you said it, the Bucks were champs a few months later.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Tyler COLEk

That post might have been a joke, but there is no "selling high" on top-tier players like Giannis in the NBA. It isn't realistically possible to return value that high in a trade with how the league is structured economically. That's why you only ever see it when the Durants and Lillards of the league force their teams' hands. The Bucks are extraordinarily lucky to have Giannis under contract.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 19, 2024, 01:17:44 AM
That post might have been a joke, but there is no "selling high" on top-tier players like Giannis in the NBA. It isn't realistically possible to return value that high in a trade with how the league is structured economically. That's why you only ever see it when the Durants and Lillards of the league force their teams' hands. The Bucks are extraordinarily lucky to have Giannis under contract.

4elder isn't what we call, "sports savvy"
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

4everwarriors

Meanwhile Jon Horst sucks ass, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MuggsyB

The truth is that it doesn't really matter if they are 2-5 in the East.  They aren't remotely close to competing with Boston.  And the fact remains that if you have a prime Giannis, a top 3 player in the league, the only goal is winning chips.  The guy is turning 30 early next season.  The opportunities are dwindling and he's had trouble staying healthy.  If you essentially keep this team in tack, with minor tweaking, the result will be losing before the NBA Finals 100/100 times.  They're obviously in a difficult situation but no rational person that wants to compete for a title would essentially run it back. 

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