RIP Pete Rose

[WhiteTrash]

I mean, there's tons of beer ads during football games. Doesn't mean the NFL and NCAA want players drunk on the field.

Agreed. I can't see the logic behind the argument.

[Mutaman]

Two things that really have nothing to do with each other, but you are welcome to make believe they do and/or to feign outrage.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

[JWags85]

Rose was the least talented superstar I ever watched. Not much power, mediocre arm, average speed - but every day he left nothing on the table. On the field I admired him as much as anyone I ever saw play.

Ichiro broke the hit record, if you count Japan.  And there is good reason to believe he would have gotten more hits if he started his career in the US, since his hits per year jumped upon getting here (partly due to more games per season).  When Ichiro and Rose learned baseball concentrating on driving up pitch counts and getting walks was not emphasized.

This is such a great contrast.  Rose played like he did cause it was basically the extent of his skills.  Balls out hustle and limited ability/upside.

Meanwhile, Ichiro was a 5 tool player who hit the way he did for absolute efficiency and effect.  He had a cannon, was a weapon on the base paths (Rose rarely stole and only had 15+ stolen bases twice in his career whereas Ichiro was nearly a guaranteed 35, if not 40, until he was basically 40).

Nearly everyone who played with Ichiro said he could have hit for more power if he wanted to, whereas Rose basically tapped out what he could.  It speaks highly to Rose's mentality and work ethich, but I think if you were given the choice of either in their prime, nobody would take Rose.

[MU82]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

Cool. It's still a bannable offense for baseball players and managers to bet on baseball.

When you have proof that Ohtani or other current players have done so, I respectfully ask you to submit it. Thanks!

[CTWarrior]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

This isn't that complicated.  Professional teams cannot have anybody with an obligation to participate in a game in any manner betting on the sport, because that opens up the possibility that the games are not on the level.  It has to have the severest form of punishment possible because violating that rule affects the integrity of the game and could cause its downfall.

That is different than taking a share of the money that another legal business is making off of their product.  I hate that those companies are legal and gambling does a lot of harm.  But so does alcohol and I do like the occasional G & T so it would make me hypocritical to think that gambling should be banned, too.

[Mutaman]

If MLB could have made a buck by reinstating Rose, they would have reinstated Rose.

[Uncle Rico]

If MLB could have made a buck by reinstating Rose, they would have reinstated Rose.

You don't think they'd have made money reinstating Rose?  Seriously?

[tower912]

If MLB could have made a buck by reinstating Rose, they would have reinstated Rose.

Have they reinstated the Black Sox yet?

Kennesaw Mountain Landis took one look at Joe Jackson and said...

If my eyes don't deceive me
There's something going wrong around here...

[Lennys Tap]

You don't think they'd have made money reinstating Rose?  Seriously?

You're right on this Rico - Pete Rose's induction into the HOF would have been bigger than any that have gone before.

I get why he's banned. Gambling on baseball is the third rail. Ironically, Pete Rose might have been the absolute last guy to ever play who would bet against his own team. He didn't know how to take his foot off the gas pedal even in exhibition games - ask Ray Fosse. If I were a manager I'd want every guy on my team betting on my team - as long as they didn't get caught, of course.

[MU82]

A manager who bets on his own team could make decisions that hurt his players.

For example ...

Closer Sam already has had some arm problems in his career and he has pitched in 3 straight games. He desperately needs a day off. But the manager has bet on the fourth game, so he sends Sam out there despite knowing he is putting Sam at risk for injury.

Starter Joe has never thrown more than 100 pitches in a game in his entire career. But he is pitching well and the manager has big money on the game, so what the hell ... push him to 110 or 120 or more pitches.

One could come up with other examples why the manager should never bet, including on his own team - especially now that one can bet on pretty much every little thing that happens in a ballgame.

Moreover, it's simply against the rules, and everybody knows the consequences.

[Lennys Tap]

A manager who bets on his own team could make decisions that hurt his players.

For example ...

Closer Sam already has had some arm problems in his career and he has pitched in 3 straight games. He desperately needs a day off. But the manager has bet on the fourth game, so he sends Sam out there despite knowing he is putting Sam at risk for injury.

Starter Joe has never thrown more than 100 pitches in a game in his entire career. But he is pitching well and the manager has big money on the game, so what the hell ... push him to 110 or 120 or more pitches.

One could come up with other examples why the manager should never bet, including on his own team - especially now that one can bet on pretty much every little thing that happens in a ballgame.

Moreover, it's simply against the rules, and everybody knows the consequences.

Possible, I guess. But not likely imo. Anyway, my statement was (as a manager) wanting 25 players who bet on us to win.

[MU82]

Possible, I guess. But not likely imo. Anyway, my statement was (as a manager) wanting 25 players who bet on us to win.

As a manager, I want zero players to bet on us to win because it's against the rules and I want what's best for them, and I don't want any of them to be suspended or banned forever.

I simply trust that my players will play to win.

And I think it's quite likely that there were occasions when Rose did not have his players' best interests in mind as he desperately tried to win large, illegal wagers.

[Lennys Tap]

And I think it's quite likely that there were occasions when Rose did not have his players' best interests in mind as he desperately tried to win large, illegal wagers.

And I think quite unlikely, so unlikely that I'd place a large bet against it!

[MU82]

And I think quite unlikely, so unlikely that I'd place a large bet against it!

Nicely done.