Pistons:
Henry 20min, 2 reb, 1 asst, 10pts
Buycks 0min, 0 reb, 0 asst, 0pts
Lakers:
Blue 12min 0 reb, 1 asst, 7pts
7min 0 reb, 2 asst, 5pts
8min 1 reb, 0 asst, 2pts
Timberwolves:
Butler 12min, 3 reb, 2 asst, 10pts
26min, 5 reb, 3 asst, 16pts
Mavericks:
Matthews 12min, 4 reb, 5 asst, 4pts
26min, 3 reb, 2 asst, 7pts
Clippers:
Wilson 12min, 1 reb, 1 asst, 5pts
9min, 0 reb, 1 asst, 0pts
Rivers looked nice on the sideline
Caveliers:
Crowder 15min, 1 reb, 0 asst, 8pts
Wade 15min, 2 reb, 4 asst, 7pts
Boylan looked nice on the sideline
Henry making good progress.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/ellenson-wont-make-it-easy-svg-make-call-pistons-playing-time/
Lonzo out for the rest of pre season. Big opportunity for Vander to show he can fit in Luke Waltons scheme. Hopefully he can get some meaningful minutes the next few games.
Vander survived the first round of Lakers cuts. They have one remaining two way spot open as well as one regular roster spot open which is mostly likely going to Andrew Bogut. Banders performance last night was not helpful to his cause. Granted, he is getting scrub minutes, but he has to make the most of them. He missed a wide open 3 and Vince Carter, 41 years old , scored three pointers twice on him. Although Vander did play within the flow of the game and didn't force anything, and that may be what the coaches are looking for.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/9/16449534/la-lakers-news-training-camp-preseason-roster-cuts
Always thought Jamil could make a NBA roster. He underachieved in college, but he's got a great NBA body and relative skillset.
Uh oh. I feel the word 'expectations' is in our near future.
Great cover story for JFB in Sports Illustrated:
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau (https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau)
Apologies if it has already been posted somewhere else. Too busy to keep track the last couple days.
Vander in thin ice... Lets hope Jeannie can push it over the goal line.
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-have-important-decisions-to-make-with-roster-cuts-looming/2017/10/11/
Quote from: hdog1017 on October 10, 2017, 11:22:23 PM
Always thought Jamil could make a NBA roster. He underachieved in college, but he's got a great NBA body and relative skillset.
if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?
What?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
if ya mean this kind of "NBA BODY", i hears ya loud n clear-GO WARRIORS eheheh, umm ehyn'a hey?
Dude. Come on.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on October 11, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
Great cover story for JFB in Sports Illustrated:
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau (https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/10/jimmy-butler-nba-preview-timberwolves-tom-thibodeau)
Apologies if it has already been posted somewhere else. Too busy to keep track the last couple days.
So proud that JFB wore our Warrior Blue and Gold. What a solid, hard working no BS guy. Great article - thanks for sharing, Mom.
Lakers fading on Vander...
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/12/16465286/la-lakers-news-sign-travis-wear-contract-two-way-preseason-training-camp
Was hoping he could get last two way contract but this signing is not encouraging. I think when he got DNP last game the hand writing was on the wall.
It looks like the next stop will be to get picked up off waivers.
Vander getting stiffed with no minutes again tonight. Looks like they are giving minutes to Josh Hart. Here is a research report on who gets the last couple of roster spots, one full and one two way.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/13/16472278/la-lakers-training-camp-final-roster-spot-andrew-bogut
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 13, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
Vander getting stiffed with no minutes again tonight. Looks like they are giving minutes to Josh Hart. Here is a research report on who gets the last couple of roster spots, one full and one two way.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/10/13/16472278/la-lakers-training-camp-final-roster-spot-andrew-bogut
Vander Ended up with 7 minutes. Had a slightly cleaner stat line than Briante Weber who had 6 minutes. Roster decision coming soon. Don't know if any other teams may have an interest in Vander.
Jamil got in the game for 6 minutes and contributed a little bit for the Clippers . He is a better position because he has the two way contract already.
Vander got cut
Feels like it might be in his best interest to start plying his trade overseas. Just not sure the NBA is a realistic goal for Blue anymore. This would be his fifth year trying to latch on, if it hasn't happened by now, seems like it probably won't, unfortunately for him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 14, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Feels like it might be in his best interest to start plying his trade overseas. Just not sure the NBA is a realistic goal for Blue anymore. This would be his fifth year trying to latch on, if it hasn't happened by now, seems like it probably won't, unfortunately for him.
The only hope Vander has left is to get one of the few remaining two way contracts left with some other team . If that does not come through , then I agree he should give it up and go overseas and get paid. He has enough game to be a star in the highest levels of any foreign league. He can make a comfortable living, build some savings and move on in life.
Vander has represented MU very well in his journey. Hopefully , he can find a good quality foreign situation.
Lakers signed Blue to a two-way deal. Good for him, at least guarantees him some kind of shot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 17, 2017, 11:48:53 PM
Lakers signed Blue to a two-way deal. Good for him, at least guarantees him some kind of shot.
Excellent news. This gives him a chance to play under less stressful situation than a 10 day contract . I think he can stick in the league.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/lakers-vander-blue-signs-two-way-contract-with-lakers/
Henry with 13 points in 16 minutes......Kaminsky going against him...1-9 in 25 minutes....
Henry is a second unit big next to Leuer. Tonight they were mostly matched up against Kaminsky and Cody Zeller.
Quote from: MuMark on October 18, 2017, 08:00:55 PM
Henry with 13 points in 16 minutes......Kaminsky going against him...1-9 in 25 minutes....
#soft
Well played.
Yeah, maybe he fooked up bye beein' won and dunn, ai na?
I can't believe nobody has linked this tweet from the Virginia Tech account yet:
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256 (https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256)
Quote from: naginiF on October 18, 2017, 08:40:41 PM
I can't believe nobody has linked this tweet from the Virginia Tech account yet:
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256 (https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/920396248556896256)
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 18, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks
I don't know ifVander had the contract when Wojo tweeted that. Good to see Henry off to a good start.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 18, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Dang Blue being shut out from that despite the same contract as Jamil and Buycks
That tweet about the MU players in the Association came out about 3 hours before the Vander contract was announced.
Hank looked good in the preseason. I was telling a coworker I thought he'd see decent minutes this year. Good start.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/clippers-jamil-wilson-will-play-in-opener-thursday/
In some openers ...
The new-look TWolves couldn't beat a Spurs team that was playing without Leonard and Parker. Jimmy had 12 points, 3 turnovers and was -19 in his Minny debut. Better days ahead.
Wes went 15-8-5 for the Mavs in a home loss to Atlanta.
Henry had a nice 16-minute run for the Pistons, who opened by beating Charlotte. 13 points on 5-10 from floor (2-4 from 3) and 4 rebs. Significantly outplayed Kaminsky (4 pts on 1-9 shooting).
So help me out here guys. JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?
Quote from: jsglow on October 19, 2017, 08:27:51 AM
So help me out here guys. JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?
I think two way deals guarantee 45 days with the NBA team, but I don't think it's necessarily the first 45.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 19, 2017, 08:44:49 AM
I think two way deals guarantee 45 days with the NBA team, but I don't think it's necessarily the first 45.
Actually, isn't it 'up to' 45 days (maybe with day guarantee pay regardless). What I was really asking is which guy(s) are actually on the NBA roster now.
Quote from: jsglow on October 19, 2017, 08:27:51 AM
So help me out here guys. JWill is on the 'big' club while Vander and Dwight are on the D league squads at the opening bell?
Dwight got introduced at the Pistons game last night and was on the bench but was in street cloths
Henry was in the rotation yesterday and he played really well. 13 pts 4 boards 1 ast in 16 minutes
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on October 19, 2017, 09:53:15 AM
Henry was in the rotation yesterday and he played really well. 13 pts 4 boards 1 ast in 16 minutes
That's only been shared by 4 other people!
Quote from: swoopem on October 19, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
Dwight got introduced at the Pistons game last night and was on the bench but was in street cloths
I think Dwight is injured (hip flexor).
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on October 18, 2017, 09:22:49 PM
Hank looked good in the preseason. I was telling a coworker I thought he'd see decent minutes this year. Good start.
Henry's option for 2018-19 was picked up by Detroit as well. Pretty much cements the idea that leaving was the right choice.
Quote from: TinyTimsLittleBrother on October 19, 2017, 01:54:44 PM
Henry's option for 2018-19 was picked up by Detroit as well. Pretty much cements the idea that leaving was the right choice.
Cement was unnecessary, but this is nice to see for the Hankster.
So apparently both Wally Ellenson and Derrick Wilson were drafted in the G-League draft today. I'm happy for both of them, but I definitely did not see that coming.
Sure dat wuzant da military draft, hey?
Henry DNP in game 2
Quote from: Quentin's Jaw on October 21, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
So apparently both Wally Ellenson and Derrick Wilson were drafted in the G-League draft today. I'm happy for both of them, but I definitely did not see that coming.
Derrick to Grand Rapids, so the will be playing with Dwight and possibly Henry.
Wally to OKC.
Wade having a hard time adjusting . Hopefully the team can work through it.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21107967/cleveland-cavaliers-guard-dwyane-wade-says-searching-role-team
http://www.mlive.com/drive/2017/10/meet_the_grand_rapids_drive_g.html#incart_river_home
I may go to the open practice on Thursday.
Weigh ta represent, Fahrenheit, hey?
I want to see if he has developed a jumper yet.
Maybe save da gas money, hey?
Not a long drive. More like a three quarter 6 iron.
Wade role with Cavs to change.
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/10/23/dwyane-wade-moving-bench-role-cleveland-cavaliers#/
Starting no matta.
Quote from: MU82 on October 23, 2017, 10:34:17 PM
Starting no matta.
I'm pretty sure Matta exhausted his eligibility a while ago
Derrick looked like he has worked on his jumper. Pull up 3 off the dribble that looked smooth, though he missed it. Played the entire scrimmage, only makes off of lay ups. Dwight played limited minutes, still recovering from a leg injury. Not getting good lift on his jumper yet. Very gracious afterward. Noticed my Marquette swag and commented. Appeared to be bff's.
Henry in danger of falling out of the Piston rotation. Still can't defend. Derrick not on the Drive opening day roster.
Quote from: tower912 on November 01, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
Henry in danger of falling out of the Piston rotation. Still can't defend. Derrick not on the Drive opening day roster.
Hopefully Derrick can make the team at some point down the road.
Dwight had 21 points 12 rebounds and 4 assists in the Grand Rapids win tonight. Looks like he is healthy again.
Henry suiting up for the Grand Rapids Drive tomorrow. I'll wave.
Quote from: tower912 on November 04, 2017, 09:48:38 PM
Henry suiting up for the Grand Rapids Drive tomorrow. I'll wave.
Hopefully there will be a big crowd there to cheer him and Dwight on.
Dwight and Henry both starting, along with Luke Kennard from Duke.
Henry scored a lot of points, but he still has a gunner's mentality. Also has a unique skill set for 6'11. Even in the G-league, gets a defensive rebound dribbles it upcourt, backs down a defender and shoots a fallaway J without anyone else touching the ball. Ah, well. He would be a junior in college right now. By the time his rookie contract is up and he signs his next deal, he is going to be ready to do some damage in the League.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
Henry scored a lot of points, but he still has a gunner's mentality. Also has a unique skill set for 6'11. Even in the G-league, gets a defensive rebound dribbles it upcourt, backs down a defender and shoots a fallaway J without anyone else touching the ball. Ah, well. He would be a junior in college right now. By the time his rookie contract is up and he signs his next deal, he is going to be ready to do some damage in the League.
How did Dwight look out there?
Looks like Vander was activated for tonights Lakers game with Memphis. His name is listed in the box score . No minutes so far.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974896
So how does this work with a two way contract? Is it a game by game call up?
Is it a 10 day concract?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 05, 2017, 09:35:25 PM
How did Dwight look out there?
Dwight was the best guard on the floor. Never made a bad decision, got to the rim, made jumpers, played good defense. He has taken what he did at MU and improved on every facet of the game. The problem is that he is not 6'3 (as listed) and he lacks that one exceptional skill that stands out. And the Pistons are pretty set at PG right now with Reggie Jackson and Ish Smith. I think he could handle back up minutes in the NBA, but I never root for injuries.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 06, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
So how does this work with a two way contract? Is it a game by game call up?
Is it a 10 day concract?
It is a game by game call up. They can be on the parent roster a maximum of 45 days not including days before start of g league and after g league. In order to go beyond that the parent has to offer a full contract. The effect of the 2 way contract is to give each time a 16th and 17th roster spot. Only 13 can be activated for a game though.
Thanks.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/06/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-luke-kennard-gatorade-league/835983001/
It appears that Henry's ability to get into and remain in the rotation for the Pistons is based on how he plays defense. He wasn't great on Sunday in the G-League.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/06/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-luke-kennard-gatorade-league/835983001/
It appears that Henry's ability to get into and remain in the rotation for the Pistons is based on how he plays defense. He wasn't great on Sunday in the G-League.
The Pistons coach is very straightforward about things and has been a big supporter of Henry. Hopefully , Henry can bear down and make the effort on defense. I think it is combination of defense and becoming more efficient on his shooting that will carry the day for him.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 07:09:39 AM
The Pistons coach is very straightforward about things and has been a big supporter of Henry. Hopefully , Henry can bear down and make the effort on defense. I think it is combination of defense and becoming more efficient on his shooting that will carry the day for him.
Can you please provide detailed info on the type of schedule he's been keeping while with the G League team? I assume you're his alarm clock, his personal dietician, his personal trainer, his personal physical therapist, his coach, his GM, and his team's owner like you are for...well, every basketball player ever. Would love to hear the type of work Hank's been putting in from someone on the inside.
Dwight Buycks now competing with Bronson Koenig for minutes on the Drive.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2017, 10:18:07 AM
Dwight Buycks now competing with Bronson Koenig for minutes on the Drive.
Dwight did well last night with 29 points 6 boards and 3 assists
Looks like Vander is activated again for the Lakers at their road game against Boston.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974912
Looks like Vander may make a few bucks on this road trip.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/lakers-vander-blue-with-lakers-for-road-trip/
DNP
How much Ching will he make?
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 08, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
DNP
How much Ching will he make?
I think he gets about 5k per day he is with the parent team. He has been there since Sunday. So maybe 35 k on top of his 75 base.
That's a pretty good hourly rate.
He's back....
Vander Blue
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/929080921504043011
Vander scored 2 points in 3 minutes last night for the Lakers, now in Milwaukee.
Looking forward to seeing Vander in action back in Milwaukee. He worked very hard to get to this place. Nice to see MU embracing him warmly.
Vander getting good minutes tonight. Playing tough defense, just blocked Thon Makers shot.
Good interview with Vander and great to see his tight connection with program.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Marquettes-Vander-Blue-110320295
That's great—happy to see Van getting a little run.
Rocked da lavender Nikes two, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
Rocked da lavender Nikes two, ai na?
Good PR for MU
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/11/varsity-blue-fighting-for-place-in-nba-lakers-guard-vander-blue-returns-to-alma-mater/
Vander getting some time early in the game again tonight versus the Suns.
Encouraging News from Luke Walton re: Vander
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-luke-walton-explains-reasoning-for-playing-vander-blue-over-josh-hart/2017/11/14/
Vander pushed Josh Hart to the G League ! MU > Villanova lol
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
Encouraging News from Luke Walton re: Vander
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-luke-walton-explains-reasoning-for-playing-vander-blue-over-josh-hart/2017/11/14/
Vander pushed Josh Hart to the G League ! MU > Villanova lol
He's earned it, happy for Vander
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/930609912396308480
Pretty sweet jacket for Jimmy.
Jamil got pulled up to Clippers. Will have 5 MU alums involved in the game versus the Cavs tonight. 3 players and 2 coaches.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/11/17/16670872/clippers-send-cj-williams-brice-johnson-to-agua-caliente-call-up-jamil-wilson-nba-g-league
Wade assist to Crowder...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21450315
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 17, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
Jamil got pulled up to Clippers. Will have 5 MU alums involved in the game versus the Cavs tonight. 3 players and 2 coaches.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/11/17/16670872/clippers-send-cj-williams-brice-johnson-to-agua-caliente-call-up-jamil-wilson-nba-g-league
Good for Jamil. It is a testament that he has continued to work to bring out the talent he was given. I don't know if he sticks or not. To me, he was one of the more frustrating players at MU because it always looked to me like he had the ability to dominate but somehow never did. I am glad he kept working.
Buycks had a meh first half and then put the team on his back in an overtime loss to Canton. The other player on the Drive with a two way contract with the Pistons, Luis Montero, was abysmal. Koenig had nothing in about 12 minutes of run.
wesley takes the dear to school for 22 including 6/8 from the arc in a 111-79 spankin-ouch! happy for the man though. didn't recognize him at first
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
Buycks had a meh first half and then put the team on his back in an overtime loss to Canton. The other player on the Drive with a two way contract with the Pistons, Luis Montero, was abysmal. Koenig had nothing in about 12 minutes of run.
Hopefully Buycks gets the call up soon.
It will take an injury or a trade. He isn't better than Reggie Jackson or Ish Smith.
http://www.mlive.com/drive/2017/11/henry_ellenson_gets_bonus_play.html#incart_river_home
Henry versus Wally in the G-league. Seriously, who knew Wally was in the G-league?
Jamil scored his first NBA points last night. Had 6 on 2/3 from the field in 4 minutes. Hopefully he can make the most of his opportunities .
Jamil continues to make progress. He played 14 minutes tonight. 8 points. 2 boards and an assist. 3/5 shooting 2/4 from 3.
Keep up the good work Jamil.
Jamil started for the Clippers tonight. Has a couple of 3s and a bunch of fouls. Griffin's injury should lead to some opportunities for him.
Might not fit here but Novak is filling in announcing the Bucks game on FS-Wisc. Seems to be pretty good thus far.
Just checking in here to see how Wojo's guys are doing. Oh, wait...
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
Just checking in here to see how Wojo's guys are doing. Oh, wait...
How many guys did Buzz have in the NBA after his third year as a head coach?
Flat out stupid.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
How many guys did Buzz have in the NBA after his third year as a head coach?
Flat out stupid.
Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play. Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 01:04:49 AM
Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play. Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.
He said first three years that amounts to Lazar and Jimmy. Maybe includ Wes but that's pushing it
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 01:04:49 AM
Even though Buzz didn't recruit Wes, on senior day, Wes gave a lot of credit to Buzz for loosening the reins and letting him play. Then you have Jimmy and Jae, who are clearly Buzz guys, and they're the best MU has in the NBA right now. Throw in some appearances from Vander and Buycks, and you start to understand that Buzz could get guys into the league. I really don't get how you can call that stupid.
Because Wojo has completed three seasons as coach. After three years of Buzz, Jimmy was a just drafted rookie, Lazar was washing out of the league, Blue and Jae were still in school, and Buycks was in France.
Sorry, Buzz doesn't get extra credit because a Tom Crean recruit thanked him at senior day. Comparing Wojo's NBA pedigree to Buzz is problematic in two regards. First, many Buzz guys took a long time to settle into roles, so looking at Buzz 9 years later and Wojo after year 3 is apples and oranges. Second, if you're crediting Buzz for guys TC recruited, we'll have to look at how Wojo did with guys at Duke. Not sure that comparison will still favor Buzz.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
Because Wojo has completed three seasons as coach. After three years of Buzz, Jimmy was a just drafted rookie, Lazar was washing out of the league, Blue and Jae were still in school, and Buycks was in France.
Sorry, Buzz doesn't get extra credit because a Tom Crean recruit thanked him at senior day. Comparing Wojo's NBA pedigree to Buzz is problematic in two regards. First, many Buzz guys took a long time to settle into roles, so looking at Buzz 9 years later and Wojo after year 3 is apples and oranges. Second, if you're crediting Buzz for guys TC recruited, we'll have to look at how Wojo did with guys at Duke. Not sure that comparison will still favor Buzz.
Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.
Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 08:24:53 AM
Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.
Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.
No one said Buzz wasn't a good coach. Keep building the strawmen.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on December 05, 2017, 08:25:50 AM
No one said Buzz wasn't a good coach. Keep building the strawmen.
It's all stemming from determining what the benchmark for the program should be and how we expect our coach to perform. Using Buzz as that benchmark explains why some of us are not impressed with Wojo. And in defending Wojo, there have been plenty of comments minimizing what Buzz did, so offering a refresher on how we played and what kinds of guys we had seemed needed.
Definitely didn't need to post in this thread. That was a d**k move on my part. My bad.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 08:24:53 AM
Getting guys to the NBA is about coaching, not recruiting. Wojo didn't get Henry into the NBA. Henry would have gone pro right from high school if he had the option. We got lucky that he made a pit stop at MU along the way, but we knew what his plans were from day 1.
Buzz took relative unknowns and turned them into pro prospects. To me, that's good coaching. Wes obviously thought enough of the way Buzz changed his personal trajectory as a player to thank him on senior night. Again, to me, that's the sign of a good coach, a coach who is getting the most out of his players. And yeah, you're absolutely right that it took guys like Jimmy and Jae some time to find their place, but they still went from Juco to the NBA because of Buzz. That's a big deal. I think you're focusing too much on the recruiting side of things and not enough on what happens after the guys sign their LOIs.
This post is an utter load of s#!t. So Buzz gets credit for guys that weren't his recruits but Wojo doesn't get credit for Henry because he was a five-star? I guess it's easy to defense your complete horsecrap argument when you make up the rules as you go, shift the goalposts to fit your malleable position. Sorry, but you lost all credibility with this post. But have fun making up the rules as you go along and changing them when it doesn't suit you.
EDIT: And Wesley Matthews was ALWAYS the best pro prospect of the Amigos. Always. He didn't get to the league because Buzz transformed him, he got to the league because he is 6'5", a great three-point shooter, and a quality defender. Dominic James was never big enough nor a good enough shooter. Jerel wasn't a good enough man defender, shooter, and definitely too small to play the 2 and didn't have the handle for the 1. Anyone who didn't see that Wes was clearly the best pro prospect from their freshman year despite aggregate stats was blind.
And I would argue that "getting guys to the NBA" is 90% about recruiting. Take a look at how many years most college players in the NBA spent in college. My guess is the average is around 1.5, though I could be very wrong. It's very rare for a guy like Frank Kaminsky to come in and be completely off NBA radars and steadily progress though 4 (or 5) years of college basketball and end up being a 1st round pick. It does happen, but it's very much the exception, not the rule.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 05, 2017, 11:35:38 AM
And I would argue that "getting guys to the NBA" is 90% about recruiting. Take a look at how many years most college players in the NBA spent in college. My guess is the average is around 1.5, though I could be very wrong. It's very rare for a guy like Frank Kaminsky to come in and be completely off NBA radars and steadily progress though 4 (or 5) years of college basketball and end up being a 1st round pick. It does happen, but it's very much the exception, not the rule.
Agreed. In the past 6 years, 180 players have been drafted in the first round. 22 of them have been seniors, only 12.2%. If you include second round picks, it's 97/360 for 26.9%. Developing players is nice, but if you are getting NBA talent, you usually know in the first year or two.
Another note on Wojo vs Buzz in the NBA. Since Buzz left, both coaches have had three full seasons at their new jobs. The only player drafted from either school was Henry Ellenson. Buzz's best players at Va Tech (LeDay and Allen) are both overseas. So let's not pretend he has some magic wand that turns non-NBA guys into NBA guys.
Buzz is a good coach. I'm happy for what he did here. He's generally been better at developing JUCO players than high school players, which is part of why 66% of the MU players recruited by him to land in the NBA (Jimmy, Jae, DJO, Buycks, Vander, Jamil) came from the JUCO ranks.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 11:45:11 AM
Agreed. In the past 6 years, 180 players have been drafted in the first round. 22 of them have been seniors, only 12.2%. If you include second round picks, it's 97/360 for 26.9%. Developing players is nice, but if you are getting NBA talent, you usually know in the first year or two.
Talk about shifting goalposts... The NBA draft is 2 rounds, so looking only at the first round doesn't really prove any point about how guys get into the league. And then you only include seniors, so again, you're intentionally limiting the sample size in an attempt to make your argument. How about looking guys that are 3 or more years removed from high school that get signed - that would be a more logical way to determine whether college coaches are developing the players or not.
The majority of guys getting NBA contracts aren't one and done, so coaching and developing players has to be more important than recruiting, no?
Wade has really found his role in Cleveland
Him and the Cavs rolling now
nm read it wrong
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2017, 12:07:25 PM
Another note on Wojo vs Buzz in the NBA. Since Buzz left, both coaches have had three full seasons at their new jobs. The only player drafted from either school was Henry Ellenson. Buzz's best players at Va Tech (LeDay and Allen) are both overseas. So let's not pretend he has some magic wand that turns non-NBA guys into NBA guys.
Buzz is a good coach. I'm happy for what he did here. He's generally been better at developing JUCO players than high school players, which is part of why 66% of the MU players recruited by him to land in the NBA (Jimmy, Jae, DJO, Buycks, Vander, Jamil) came from the JUCO ranks.
Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 12:15:05 PM
Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.
Lazar. I also think Jamil gets there eventually maybe even earlier with a different coach
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 05, 2017, 12:26:24 PM
Lazar. I also think Jamil gets there eventually maybe even earlier with a different coach
Also definitely Wes if we're counting him.
I think Crowder had a good shot no matter where he ended up in college. Same for Butler.
Both those guys were great here but they got to the league because they had size, could defend and were capable shooters. That probably would have been true even if they didn't attend MU. Butler did most of his improving after he made it to the NBA
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Talk about shifting goalposts... The NBA draft is 2 rounds, so looking only at the first round doesn't really prove any point about how guys get into the league. And then you only include seniors, so again, you're intentionally limiting the sample size in an attempt to make your argument. How about looking guys that are 3 or more years removed from high school that get signed - that would be a more logical way to determine whether college coaches are developing the players or not.
The majority of guys getting NBA contracts aren't one and done, so coaching and developing players has to be more important than recruiting, no?
You brought up the development, but I was specifically responding to wades.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 05, 2017, 12:15:05 PM
Do you think any of the guys that made it into the league under Buzz would have made it without him? Vander is the only one I can remember hearing any kind of NBA murmurings about prior to their arrival at MU.
Yes, no doubt. Jimmy absolutely gets there regardless and I thought that from about midway through his first year at Marquette. I think Wes and Jae both get there. And I think Vander, Jamil, and Dwight all may have gotten there sooner with a different coach.
Buzz did fine with those guys and certainly didn't impede them, but I don't think he made them "more" NBA players than they would have been without him.
Not to be this guy but can we keep this thread about what our NBA and G-League alumni are doing?
Skianth16 this is 100% your fault for getting this thread off topic with your need to take shots at wojo in what was a perfectly nice update thread.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 05, 2017, 01:11:17 PM
Not to be this guy but can we keep this thread about what our NBA and G-League alumni are doing?
Skianth16 this is 100% your fault for getting this thread off topic with your need to take shots at wojo in what was a perfectly nice update thread.
Fully aware. I did note that and comment that it was unneeded. Go ahead and mark a little tally for yourself on your scorecard.
Bill Simmons' column today was talking about the state of the Clippers and included the line "I don't even know who Wilson is." Does that say more about the Clips, Jamil, or Marquette?
Comparing Wojo v Buzz is not an NBA thing. That whole premise is a red herring. It's about success in the BE and the NCAA tourney (and a bit about beating UW
Quote from: MUBigDance on December 08, 2017, 10:57:49 PM
I want us to get where Villanova is. Wojo will need to become a better coach to get to Jay level though.
Agreed.
Of course, first Jay had to become a better coach to get to Jay level.
First head-coaching job: Hofstra.
94-95 ... 10-18
95-96 ... 9-18
96-97 ... 12-15
Second head-coaching job: Villanova.
01-02 ... 19-13
02-03 ... 15-16
03-04 ... 18-17
Yet another guy who didn't step right into a program (or in his case, 2 programs) and work miracles.
Something strange going on with Vander. Has been inactive for two games in a row on G League. I watched part of the first game and they mentioned he was out for personal reasons.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 09, 2017, 12:27:36 AM
Something strange going on with Vander. Has been inactive for two games in a row on G League. I watched part of the first game and they mentioned he was out for personal reasons.
He is transferring, hey?
Vander has an arm injury. He is lissted as doubtful for tonights game.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/lakers/files/sbl-gamenotes/gamenotes.pdf
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 09, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
Vander has an arm injury. He is lissted as doubtful for tonights game.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/lakers/files/sbl-gamenotes/gamenotes.pdf
Over zealous slap of five?
John Dawson had 12 points 4 rebounds and 1 assist in 22 minutes in the Greensboro Swarm win in the G League tonight.
Jamil got the start again for the Clippers tonight.
Jamil with another start for the Clippers. Getting good minutes and playing well against the Heat. It's nice when your coach is an MU guy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 13, 2017, 07:54:24 PM
Jamil with another start for the Clippers. Getting good minutes and playing well against the Heat. It's nice when your coach is an MU guy.
9 pts, 3 reb. Solid
Quote from: Eldon on December 13, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
9 pts, 3 reb. Solid
In da Association dat's good four $44 mil over for years in his next contract, ai na?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 08, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
Bill Simmons' column today was talking about the state of the Clippers and included the line "I don't even know who Wilson is." Does that say more about the Clips, Jamil, or Marquette?
....or Bill Simmons, actually.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 14, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
....or Bill Simmons, actually.
Simmons stopped being fun to read about 5 years ago. He is insufferable on his sports podcasts. Not surprised his HBO show failed.
Quote from: Carl Spackler on December 14, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Simmons stopped being fun to read about 5 years ago. He is insufferable on his sports podcasts. Not surprised his HBO show failed.
I completely agree; he is awful. He's had quite the fall from being one of the main NBA guys for ESPN. I don't miss seeing him pout when he couldn't get a word in among the other analysts. Couldn't stand watching him.
Jamil got the start again last night. Had 10 points 3 blocked shots 2 boards and 2 assist in 23 minutes. Nice to see Jamil continuing to make the most of his opportunity.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2017, 09:09:35 AM
Jamil got the start again last night. Had 10 points 3 blocked shots 2 boards and 2 assist in 23 minutes. Nice to see Jamil continuing to make the most of his opportunity.
Best part is the Clippers think undrafted Jamil is a better option to start at small forward than first round pick Sam Dekker
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on December 16, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
Best part is the Clippers think undrafted Jamil is a better option to start at small forward than first round pick Sam Dekker
He had a bit of injury trouble, but Dekker has really been pretty unimpressive in his NBA career. Not shooting well, shows some flashes, but you'd expect a lot more from a top-20 draft pick in his 3rd year, especially one who came out after 3 years in college and wasn't viewed as a project.
But awesome for Jamil. He's still not overly athletic for that level, but he has a smoothness to his game and certainly looks to belong when he's out there.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 14, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
....or Bill Simmons, actually.
NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career. :-[
I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.
Quote from: Jockey on December 16, 2017, 12:14:17 PM
NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career. :-[
I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.
He should. He's been a self professed Clipper fan and season ticket holder since he moved to LA. Wilson isn't some off the street signing, he was the first player the Clippers signed under the new 2-way contract rule and was one of their standouts in Summer Leauge. Read a message board and most Laker fans knew who Vander Blue was even before he became a 2-way.
For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 16, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.
I happen to like Simmons, but agree with you 100% here.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 16, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
He should. He's been a self professed Clipper fan and season ticket holder since he moved to LA. Wilson isn't some off the street signing, he was the first player the Clippers signed under the new 2-way contract rule and was one of their standouts in Summer Leauge. Read a message board and most Laker fans knew who Vander Blue was even before he became a 2-way.
For an NBA analyst, its just laziness from Simmons and some lame schtick about how to complain about "his team" being so cursed with injuries.
Didn't he start a campaign for himself to be GM of the Clippers when he wrote for ESPN?
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 16, 2017, 05:38:08 PM
Didn't he start a campaign for himself to be GM of the Clippers when he wrote for ESPN?
I think that was the TWolves. And then some snarky jabs about being the Bucks GM where Edens' daughter burned him pretty good on Twitter.
He is an entertaining writer. The portion of his Book of Basketball about the 1984 draft is really fantastic reading.
Jamil had another start Saturday night for the Clippers. Had 9 points 4 boards 1 block in 23 minutes. He seems to understand the role they are asking him to play. Several starts in a row is a good sign for the future.
Quote from: Jockey on December 16, 2017, 12:14:17 PM
NBA analysts should know about college kids who averaged 8.5 / 4.5 for a career. :-[
I hope Jamil can hang on for a few years and make a little money.
Even if he didn't know him as a multi-year starter on some fairly successful Big East teams, Jamil made enough noise this summer that he absolutely should know who he is. He was probably just saying that for effect.
I agree Simmons was/is an entertaining writer. I think sometimes these guys get full of themselves with the higher profile being on tv.
Jamil had another start last night 27 minutes 13 points 2 boards 2 steals . Clippers are really pleased that he is making the most of his opportunity. Doc is worried that they may run out of days available on the two way.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20171216-story.html
Can den be signed ta a regular Association contract, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
Can den be signed ta a regular Association contract, ai na?
Hopefully Doc can push that through.
Good article on D Wade with some nice mention of MU.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21821458/dwyane-wade-cleveland-cavaliers-raves-getting-vet-days
Jamil with another start for Clippers and playing well again . The nice thing about this for Jamil is that the other teams in the league are seeing that Jamil is demonstrating that he is a legitimate NBA level talent. So no matter what happens with him and the Clippers he is likely to be in the mix somewhere in the league over the next couple of years.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 20, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
Jamil with another start for Clippers and playing well again . The nice thing about this for Jamil is that the other teams in the league are seeing that Jamil is demonstrating that he is a legitimate NBA level talent. So no matter what happens with him and the Clippers he is likely to be in the mix somewhere in the league over the next couple of years.
He's outplaying Dekker
Jamil got another start tonight in the Clippers win over the Rockets.
Has Vander been called up? I see he is listed on their roster on their web site.
Playing against JFB tomorrow.
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 24, 2017, 06:07:20 PM
Has Vander been called up? I see he is listed on their roster on their web site.
Playing against JFB tomorrow.
I would think he will be, Lonzo out with shoulder injury.
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 24, 2017, 06:07:20 PM
Has Vander been called up? I see he is listed on their roster on their web site.
Playing against JFB tomorrow.
He was called up earlier this year. The Lakers called up Alex Caruso their other two way player earlier this week.
D Wade and Jae both did well today in the Cavs loss to Golden State.
Solid research report on Jamil. He is really making the most of his big opportunity.
https://hoopshabit.com/2017/12/24/los-angeles-clippers-the-rise-of-jamil-wilson/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 26, 2017, 01:46:47 PM
Solid research report on Jamil. He is really making the most of his big opportunity.
https://hoopshabit.com/2017/12/24/los-angeles-clippers-the-rise-of-jamil-wilson/
Good find
Dwight got his first action of the season for the Pistons tonight. Nice to see him overcome his injuries and show up in a box score. All the MU 2 way guys have seen action now this season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 26, 2017, 10:10:50 PM
Dwight got his first action of the season for the Pistons tonight. Nice to see him overcome his injuries and show up in a box score. All the MU 2 way guys have seen action now this season.
Henry got in, too (and logged an easy rebound, to boot).
Jamil with 14 points (4-of-5 threes) in first half vs. Kings.
Jackson sprained his ankle last night and Bradly has an ongoing leg issue. The Pistons are going to need Buycks to step up.
edit: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/12/27/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/984739001/
Jackson will be out 6-8 weeks. Buycks has the opportunity to make or break.
Quote from: tower912 on December 27, 2017, 07:33:09 AM
Jackson sprained his ankle last night and Bradly has an ongoing leg issue. The Pistons are going to need Buycks to step up.
edit: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/12/27/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/984739001/
Jackson will be out 6-8 weeks. Buycks has the opportunity to make or break.
Been there before and landed a damn good euro contract hopefully he sticks in the NBA again.
Good article on Dwight and the Pistons. Lets hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Would be great to have to MU guys on a playoff team.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/well-traveled-buycks-hopes-make-decision-point-guard-easy-call-pistons
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2017, 05:31:32 PM
Good article on Dwight and the Pistons. Lets hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Would be great to have to MU guys on a playoff team.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/well-traveled-buycks-hopes-make-decision-point-guard-easy-call-pistons
I'm sure Wade and Crowder will be in the playoffs
2 minutes in his return to the Pistons.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
2 minutes in his return to the Pistons.
Sometimes it takes a few games to work into rotation. I think he will get a few more minutes next game.
https://freep.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/nba-boxscores.aspx?page=/data/NBA/results/2017-2018/boxscore969164.html
More injuries, more playing time.
Quote from: tower912 on December 30, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
https://freep.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/nba-boxscores.aspx?page=/data/NBA/results/2017-2018/boxscore969164.html
More injuries, more playing time.
Excellent News. Dwight did well.
Vander recalled to the Lakers. Injuries and House Arrests create more playing time.
https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/12/30/lakers-news-vander-blue-gets-called-g-league/
Luke Walton said he had confidence in Vander last time he was called up. So hopefully he can build off of that.
Good article in today's Journal Times about Jamil Wilson making it in the NBA
Wilson beats the odds
GERY WOELFEL
http://journaltimes.com/news/local/wilson-beats-the-odds/article_0ad7c03c-7491-515c-8891-03d5a6ffdcf2.html
Wilson spent the first 15 games with the Clippers watching — either being inactive or suiting up but not playing. On Nov. 20, Wilson got on the court, getting mop-up minutes against the New York Knicks in historic Madison Square Garden.
"It was a pretty awesome moment,'' Wilson said. "And it came a day before my birthday. I turned 27 the next day. Making my debut there was something special.''
It got even better. On Dec. 3, Clippers head coach Glenn "Doc'' Rivers, a former Marquette University star himself, decided to insert Wilson into the starting lineup against the Minnesota Timberwolves at Minneapolis.
Not only was his first NBA starting assignment a moment Wilson will never forget, it also came against his old Marquette teammate and friend Jimmy Butler, now a star for the Timberwolves.
"That was special, having gone to school with Jimmy and having played along with him at Marquette,'' said Wilson, who scored nine points in 28 minutes in that game. "He has had a great influence on my basketball career.''
What Wilson has accomplished this season IS big. According to the Elias Sports Bureau in New York, there are only two other undrafted rookies who have started more games in the NBA this season: Maxi Kleber of the Dallas Mavericks and Mike Jones of the Phoenix Suns.
But Kleber, who has started 19 games, and Jones, who has started 10 games, are playing for two of the worst teams in the league. Wilson, who has started nine games and has played 25 for the Clippers, is playing for a legitimate playoff contender.
What's more, Wilson has been receiving major minutes. In eight straight games, he played between 21 and 28 minutes before being replaced in the starting lineup on Friday night by Clippers All-Star forward Blake Griffin, who had been sidelined with a sprained left medial collateral ligment.
Clippers left Jamil Wilson in NBA G-League for Sunday's Game vs Hornets.
For the first time in over a month, Wilson wasn't called up. They've been shuffling him back and forth between the LA and Agua Caliente to preserve as many days as the can on his 45-day split. He didn't play in Friday's game either but was called up. He must be getting close to exceeding the limit. With how well he has played hopefully they just give him an NBA deal.
Question: can another team sign a player that is on a split to a full-NBA deal similar to raiding a practice squad player in the NFL?
I'm pretty sure he's contracted to the Clips. Blake Griffin's return has killed his opportunity. Too bad, I need a Clipper for my fantasy team this week.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2017, 08:57:52 PM
I'm pretty sure he's contracted to the Clips. Blake Griffin's return has killed his opportunity. Too bad, I need a Clipper for my fantasy team this week.
Clippers have one open roster spot and may have to swallow some penalty dollars to fill it. Hopefully they choose to use it on Jamil. The good news for Jamil is that he made a good impression on the league as a whole. So ultimately he will land somewhere .
Jimmy and Vander on the court at the same time in Wolves Lakers game. Nice moment for both I am sure.
edit ; Vander just caused Jimmy to turn over ball. maybe Jimmy is not so pumped
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2018, 07:54:47 PM
Jimmy and Vander on the court at the same time in Wolves Lakers game. Nice moment for both I am sure.
Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn't win a natty...
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn't win a natty...
Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 01, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time.
In college...
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
In college...
It wasn't ahead of its time in college either. The Flyin' Illini, the 40 Minutes of Hell Razorbacks, Roy Williams' UNC teams, etc. all used similar styles with guys guarding multiple positions. Buzz was just the first to label it something.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 01, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
Buzz's switchable philosophy was hardly ahead of its time.
And left out that pesky detail of outside shooting.
Vander assist
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21937253
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Those Buzz teams sure had a lot of talent...Switchables philiosophy was ahead of its time in college but he read the pro game well. We may one day ask how those teams didn't win a natty...
What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 01, 2018, 09:18:43 PM
What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?
The Crowder S16 team if Otule was healthy IMO
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 01, 2018, 09:18:43 PM
What version of Marquette under Buzz did you think worthy of winning a National Title?
If you look strictly at the pieces on the team, the 2011 squad had 5 NBA players (Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue, Buycks). That's pretty hefty, moreso than 2003.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 01, 2018, 08:27:18 PM
It wasn't ahead of its time in college either. The Flyin' Illini, the 40 Minutes of Hell Razorbacks, Roy Williams' UNC teams, etc. all used similar styles with guys guarding multiple positions. Buzz was just the first to label it something.
Ah, those were great teams before their time for sure. I might throw in UNLV and MSU but might subtract Roy. He seemed to favor a Ostertag or Zeller type. That said, the prototype in both at the time was for the traditional line up. I think maybe only Izzo has been consistent in his recruiting for switchables.
Jimmy having a great year.
https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/30/jimmy-butler-quickly-became-the-timberwolves-alpha/
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 01, 2018, 10:33:09 PM
The Crowder S16 team if Otule was healthy IMO
Had Marquette gotten by Florida, they would have faced a Louisville team that beat them in the BET by 13 just a couple weeks prior. Then would have faced eventual national champion Kentucky (by far Cal's best UK team) in the Final Four.
That team was hardly worthy of a national championship. It would have been a near miraculous run. Final Four was probably the best to hope for.
I think the 2013 team had a better shot not because I thought that MU team was better, but because I think the field was worse. They get by Syracuse, I think they could have handled Michigan and Louisville.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 02, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
Had Marquette gotten by Florida, they would have faced a Louisville team that beat them in the BET by 13 just a couple weeks prior. Then would have faced eventual national champion Kentucky (by far Cal's best UK team) in the Final Four.
That team was hardly worthy of a national championship. It would have been a near miraculous run. Final Four was probably the best to hope for.
I think the 2013 team had a better shot not because I thought that MU team was better, but because I think the field was worse. They get by Syracuse, I think they could have handled Michigan and Louisville.
Don't lose Otule & they win more reg season games, get a different seed, don't play Florida, etc. Not the same bracket at that point. Agree field was worse in 2013 but Crowder was a better alpha dog than Blue.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 02, 2018, 09:05:26 AM
Don't lose Otule & they win more reg season games, get a different seed, don't play Florida, etc. Not the same bracket at that point. Agree field was worse in 2013 but Crowder was a better alpha dog than Blue.
Maybe they beat GTown but I don't see them beating any other team that year. LSU has 4 or 5 players Otules size, with or without him we get dominated down low. Cuse, ND and Cinci were never close games that we may have won.
Buycks with 14/2/4 tonight in 17 minutes in a 7-point loss to Heat
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on January 03, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
Buycks with 14/2/4 tonight in 17 minutes in a 7-point loss to Heat
He shot well from the field. Glad to see him making the most of his opportunity.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 02, 2018, 09:15:15 AM
Maybe they beat GTown but I don't see them beating any other team that year. LSU has 4 or 5 players Otules size, with or without him we get dominated down low. Cuse, ND and Cinci were never close games that we may have won.
Might be remembering wrong didn't we barely lose the LSU game?
This is the reason Scoop exists! Good arguments...
Jamil was waived by the Clippers. He ran out of days on his 2 way contract. Clippers had injuries and had no cap room so they had to bring up another 2 way player from their G League. I think if Jamil clears Waivers Clippers will be able to re assign him to their G league team and then be in a position to bring him up again on 10 day contracts.
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil's fate was sealed.
16 tonight for Buycks in the Detroit's win over Houston. 4-5 from three.
Quote from: nyg on January 06, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil's fate was sealed.
Doc said it was because they were short on shooting guards do to injury. So they had to waive Jamil in order to activate another shooting guard. Jamil has a two year two way deal so some other team could step into that.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 06, 2018, 09:17:26 PM
Doc said it was because they were short on shooting guards do to injury. So they had to waive Jamil in order to activate another shooting guard. Jamil has a two year two way deal so some other team could step into that.
Of course, with Griffin, Johnson and Dekker, they had an overload at that position, so Wilson was odd man out. He may get another chance, may not, gave it his best shot. Least Dwight Buycks had a career game tonight.
TWolves should pick up Jamil
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 07, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
TWolves should pick up Jamil
Bucks are releasing Liggins. Perhaps a homecoming for Jamil?
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on January 07, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
Bucks are releasing Liggins. Perhaps a homecoming for Jamil?
I think Kilpatrick took the last spot.
Saw a tweet from an NBA reporter that the Lakers are front runners to sign Jamil now, and by saying front runner it seems the Lakers aren?t the only interested team. Good news for Jamil.
Dwight Buycks getting some run with Detroit (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/07/detroit-pistons-dwight-buycks-stan-van-gundy/1011180001/)
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 08, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
Saw a tweet from an NBA reporter that the Lakers are front runners to sign Jamil now, and by saying front runner it seems the Lakers aren?t the only interested team. Good news for Jamil.
This article lays out some of the possible options for Jamil. The good news is he made the most of his opportunity when he had it.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/1/5/16856598/whats-next-for-jamil-wilson-la-clippers-nba-free-agent-g-league
Quote from: nyg on January 06, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
With Griffin and Johnson back and with Dekker on bench, Jamil's fate was sealed.
Pelton reporting that it was also largely luxury tax driven, which coaches/ownership are always loathe to mention:
QuoteWith an open roster spot, the obvious move would have been to convert one of their contracts. But even so much as signing Wilson or Williams to a 10-day contract would have pushed the Clippers into the luxury tax. So instead of trading little-used Brice Johnson to create the necessary flexibility -- a move that might require attaching a draft pick since the Clippers can't cover his salary with cash, having used most of their limit to buy draft picks -- they simply waived Wilson.
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers. Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 08, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers. Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
Supposedly they needed a 3 pt shooter and that is what he was doing for the Clippers
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 08, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
Jamil signing a 10-day with the Lakers. Not sure that is ideal fit: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/950487701064646656
They need a 3 point shooter and Jamil has been doing well in that regard. He also played for the Lakers summer team two years ago , so he was known to their organization. Jamil is a good guy , who will work within the team concept and that is what Luke Walton is looking for.
Nice article on Buycks: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/07/journeyman-buycks-makes-chance-pistons/109256470/
Timing of this is suspect.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2018/01/09/lakers-jamil-wilson-sued-for-sexual-battery-herpes
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 09, 2018, 11:34:30 PM
Timing of this is suspect.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2018/01/09/lakers-jamil-wilson-sued-for-sexual-battery-herpes
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Hope it's not true but seems like this would be a hard one to defend. If they both have the disease, they both admit to having sex, and can prove that he had the disease before her seems like a civil court would probably find him responsible.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
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Hope it's not true but seems like this would be a hard one to defend. If they both have the disease, they both admit to having sex, and can prove that he had the disease before her seems like a civil court would probably find him responsible.
Assuming that all happens, couldn't he argue she was aware of the situation?
I thought 90% of the world had herpes or something like that?
Quote from: drewm88 on January 10, 2018, 08:05:53 AM
Assuming that all happens, couldn't he argue she was aware of the situation?
Yes but this is Civil court. They use the "more likely than not" standard. I think they would find it more likely that Jamil didn't mention the herpes than someone willingly signed up for herpes. Could be wrong though
Jamil got screwed.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 10, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
Jamil got screwed.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson
That does seem to be where all his trouble started.
Dwight Buycks is a player that continues to improve over time. He has made steady progress each time he has transitioned From High School to JUCO to College to Overseas to G League and NBA. Obviously sticking at the highest level is a challenge. He is making the most of his current opportunity with the Pistons. I like how he gives his all on offense and defense. If he can continue at his current level of play he may earn a full contract.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 10, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
Jamil got screwed.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22030390/los-angeles-lakers-renege-deal-free-agent-forward-jamil-wilson
Assuming he is innocent. If he did what he is accused of then this exactly what should happen.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:41:38 PM
Assuming he is innocent. If he did what he is accused of then this exactly what should happen.
The organization has a player who spent 25 days in a correctional detention center and was unable to travel out of state due to his criminal behavior.
Seems interesting they've drawn a line in the sand because of a civil lawsuit.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/10/detroit-pistons-brooklyn-nets-andre-drummond-tobias-harris/1022949001/
Dwight with 17 in 24 minutes in a drubbing of Brooklyn.
Glad Dwight is playing well, hard work pays off
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/01/10/detroit-pistons-brooklyn-nets-andre-drummond-tobias-harris/1022949001/
Dwight with 17 in 24 minutes in a drubbing of Brooklyn.
His defense is fantastic as well. I think SVG is a big fan of his.
Buycks got upgraded from a two way to a standard contract with the Pistons. Awesome news for him
Dwight has been playing well on both offense and defense. The coach was firmly in his corner. Really tremendous news for him. He took a gamble and only took a one year two way contract, instead of the two that was offered and it worked out. I really enjoy his style of play.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/01/detroit_pistons_convert_dwight.html
Sad news for Vander. Lakers gave up on him. He did not make the most of his opportunity. In addition he had not been shooting well in the G League , either and I think that was what finalized it for him. I know he won't give up on his dream, and will probably stay in the G League for the rest of the year, but he should go overseas next year and make some coin.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/12/16885342/la-lakers-news-waive-cut-vander-blue-2-way
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 12, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Buycks got upgraded from a two way to a standard contract with the Pistons. Awesome news for him
That is frickin great news! Yeah DB!
Talk about the ultimate kick in the b@#$ls. Lakers cut Vander, renege on Jamil and then sign noted anarchist Nigel Hayes.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/18/16907032/la-lakers-news-nigel-hayes-10-day-contract-knicks-sign
https://detroitjockcity.com/2018/01/19/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-play-trade/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Talk about the ultimate kick in the b@#$ls. Lakers cut Vander, renege on Jamil and then sign noted anarchist Nigel Hayes.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/18/16907032/la-lakers-news-nigel-hayes-10-day-contract-knicks-sign
Wow! I'd rather take my chance On a guy with a (not so magic) Johnson, ennn'a hey?
http://www.eurobasket.com/Italy/news/521525/Vander-Blue-joins-Fiat-Torino
Vander is going to Italy to play against Travis and DJO. Fiat Torino also has former Marquette player Trevor Mbakwe.
Quote from: SlowJoe on February 02, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
http://www.eurobasket.com/Italy/news/521525/Vander-Blue-joins-Fiat-Torino
Vander is going to Italy to play against Travis and DJO. Fiat Torino also has former Marquette player Trevor Mbakwe.
Happy for Vander. This is the right move for him.
Nice to see D Wade able to finish his career in Miami. Also I believe Jae will be better off in Utah.
Jae had to be removed from the facility after fighting with LeBron.
Who wins that bare knuckle match?
Quote from: PTM on February 09, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
Jae had to be removed from the facility after fighting with LeBron.
Who wins that bare knuckle match?
That was a fake story.
And they're basketball players, it's almost always just a stare down and some pushing.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 09, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
And they're basketball players, it's almost always just a stare down and some pushing.
If only they were a bunch of fighting Irish guys, right?
Quote from: PTM on February 09, 2018, 02:22:17 PM
If only they were a bunch of fighting Irish guys, right?
Hopefully Notre Dame loses that soon
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/notre-dame-fighting-irish-offensive
Jimmy
Not good
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
Jimmy
Not good
The basketball gods were not happy that Jimmy "rested" during the NBA All-Star game.
Reportedly, Jimmy had a meniscal tear as opposed to ligament damage.
Timeline 4-6 weeks. Could've been worse!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 25, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
Reportedly, Jimmy had a meniscal tear as opposed to ligament damage.
Timeline 4-6 weeks. Could've been worse!
Not for my first place fantasy team that just lost a top-7 player 2 weeks before the playoffs.
Dwight Buycks has been getting some playing time lately for the Pistons. Three straight 12 point games off the bench. He seems to be very effective when he is in the game.
Dwyane Wade has had some strong performances the last couple of days with the Heat. Heat are making a stretch run for the playoffs and Wade is a key component for them.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s20180302-story.html
A Marquette NBA Twitter war broke out last night after the TWolves v Jazz game got testy:
https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/969943206141071362?s=21
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/jimmy-butler-jeff-teague-ricky-rubio-jae-crowder-tackle-reaction-twitter/amp/
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 03, 2018, 09:19:51 AM
A Marquette NBA Twitter war broke out last night after the TWolves v Jazz game got testy:
https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/969943206141071362?s=21
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/jimmy-butler-jeff-teague-ricky-rubio-jae-crowder-tackle-reaction-twitter/amp/
Definitely some interesting tweets and takes going on there...not sure why JFB was approving/applauding Teague's play against Rubio - was a cheap shot.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
Definitely some interesting tweets and takes going on there...not sure why JFB was approving/applauding Teague's play against Rubio - was a cheap shot.
(Patient Minnesota-splaining). It's because Jimmy has been trying to get the Minnesota-nice Timberwolves to play with some fire and intensity. The tackle was whack, but it's the attitude Jimmy wants to see.
Henry got 28 minutes tonight and had 14 pts 10 rebounds.
Chick needs to put up some pics. We were courtside for the game. Henry looked solid. BTW, Dwight was a DNP-CD. But he still got his paycheck.
Quote from: jsglow on April 12, 2018, 07:36:10 AM
Chick needs to put up some pics. We were courtside for the game. Henry looked solid. BTW, Dwight was a DNP-CD. But he still got his paycheck.
Here ya go. Sorry about the size...
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Quote from: warriorchick on April 12, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
Here ya go. Sorry about the size...
I'll take "Things heard while dating Glow" for $600, Alex.
Exactly. Usually that apology goes the other way.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 12, 2018, 08:17:28 AM
I'll take "Things heard while dating Glow" for $600, Alex.
That's just cold. Funny, but cold. ;D
Quote from: jsglow on April 12, 2018, 08:29:21 AM
That's just cold. Funny, but cold. ;D
At this point, I am not going to even post my picture of the alleged "footlong grilled cheese sandwich" I ordered last night before the game other than to say that the estimate of the length was definitely done by a man.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 12, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
At this point, I am not going to even post my picture of the alleged "footlong grilled cheese sandwich" I ordered last night before the game other than to say that the estimate of the length was definitely done by a man.
Did Glow at least bring some bacon for that sandwich?
Did he bringBacon or BACON
Hoo said dey maid bacon courtside, hey?
Crowder with a monster offensive game tonight 6 3's 20 pts. Still 3rd qtr OK down big now with a rally down 12.
Ok ties it end 3rd qtr after being down 25 pts
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.
In another MU in NBA note ...
Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.
I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.
They'll be back in the playoffs and Jimmy was clearly the reason they were in the playoffs, I don't think Thibs is the right coach for that team though
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.
In another MU in NBA note ...
Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.
I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.
Came to play right after the knee injury, not expected, plus ankle and wrist injuries that he would not acknowledge because he didn't want them to be used as an excuse, true Warrior.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
Incredible comeback by OKC, incredible performance by Westbrook.
In another MU in NBA note ...
Jimmy was so abused by Harden all series that he should have filed a criminal complaint. But hey, it's happened to other very good defenders, too. Harden is one of the two most difficult players to guard in the league - he and Durant are 1 and 1A, in whatever order - and the Rockets do a great job of accentuating his talent. Capela has become an extraordinary pick-and-roll 5.
I would have felt bad for Jimmy, but it's impossible for me to feel bad for any guy who makes a bazillion dollars playing a game! Too bad for the Wolves that he got hurt and missed a ton of games because it dropped them from a possible 3 or 4 seed to the 8 seed. There are no easy opponents in the West, but playing the Rockets in the first round was tough.
Harden was far from why the wolves lost this series
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
Harden was far from why the wolves lost this series
Well, he averaged 29 pts, 5 reb, 7 asst and 2.4 steals, and he dominated every significant run the Rockets had in the series ... so not TOO far.
But yes, there were many reasons the Rockets beat the Timberwolves.
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.
The translation is "I'm just not doing it".
https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
Quote from: warriorchick on April 28, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.
The translation is "I'm just not doing it".
https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
I'm shocked
Quote from: warriorchick on April 28, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.
The translation is "I'm just not doing it".
https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
Spirit animal.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 28, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Okay, not the NBA, but check out this tweet a teammate posted of Davante in Japan.
The translation is "I'm just not doing it".
https://twitter.com/Akiaki2525Lol/status/990233234096111617
I guess when you lead the league in scoring and average a double-double (28.8 ppg/10.0 rpg) you can do, or not do, what you want ;D
An interesting research report on Jamil Wilson.
https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/4/17/17245808/2017-2018-clippers-exit-interviews-jamil-wilson-is-good
Dwight Buycks was cut by the Pistons today. Hopefully he can find a new NBA team over the course of the summer . His days were numbered once Detroit let Stan Van Gundy go.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 05, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Dwight Buycks was cut by the Pistons today. Hopefully he can find a new NBA team over the course of the summer . His days were numbered once Detroit let Stan Van Grundy go.
TBT, baby!
Comments from Coach Crean on D Wade:
http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/07/08/tom-crean-says-dwyane-wade-has-plenty-left-in-the-tank-but-does-he-think-hell-return-to-the-heat/
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 11, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
#emptyCupboard
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 11, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
A stout defender? ;)
Quote from: Eldon on July 11, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
#emptyCupboard
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 11, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
who also sustained a horrible family tragedy that prompted him to want to get out of his hometown." Wojo really messed that one up.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 11, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on July 11, 2018, 11:11:00 AM
Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.
Who knew that fine line was herpes
I saw Deonte play for a few minutes the other day. Looked as slow as a plow horse. Also jacked up an airball from 3; acted as if the shot clock was running out but it still had plenty of time - he was just being a gunner.
Henry shooting the lights out in summer league
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal. Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 11, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
The only thing I'll ever say about Burton is what another scooper said thsy made me spill milk out of my nose.
Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.
Quote from: WarriorDad on July 13, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal. Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.
Starting to think he has a gambling problem
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.
An article on Henry Ellenson's NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:
Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on July 14, 2018, 10:05:59 AM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.
Salary cap increases next year, he could stay in MPS with even more dollars, but it is a risk for sure.
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on July 14, 2018, 10:16:20 AM
An article on Henry Ellenson's NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:
Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years. He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
Quote from: #UnleashLaxBros on July 14, 2018, 02:36:53 AM
Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.
Sigh. Politifact ranks this statement as: technically true but very misleading.
Sandy Cohen started in exactly 3 games with Deonte Burton on the bench. Most of the time he was coming off the bench as well.
Cohen also only got more minutes in Deonte in a total of 2 games. Deonte got significantly more time in every other game they played together.
In those two games where Cohen got more minutes, he played very well. He averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, and shot 60% from the floor and 50% from deep. If he hadn't played well he wouldn't have gotten as many minutes.
Deonte on the other hand did play well in one of those games but also racked up 4 fouls in 13 minutes and was forced to the bench. The other game he shot 1-4 from the floor with 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in only 12 minutes. If he hadn't been in foul trouble or played well he would have gotten more minutes.
The "Cohen started over Burton" line is one of the most tired on this board.
Quote from: WarriorDad on July 14, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years. He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.
Quote from: WarriorDad on July 13, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal. Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.
Do players take out an insurance policy to guard against an injury when they do this? It sounds like something Lloyds of London would cover.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 14, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.
Yes, a possibility for sure. He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later. He made a smart business decision.
Quote from: WarriorDad on July 14, 2018, 01:00:37 PM
Yes, a possibility for sure. He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later. He made a smart business decision.
Yes he did. Obviously he could have had an incredible collegiate career had he stayed. Hard to turn down the money and the opportunity and the dream. Even if it is a foreign journey going forward, he could still make some additional substantial income.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on July 14, 2018, 10:05:59 AM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.
He will get $188M over 5 from the TWolves after next year if he gets a max contract. Or $140 M from any other team.
It was a very, very smart move on Butler's part in an NBA where Zach Levine gets $78M. I mean, even if he gets hurt, he aint getting $5M considering Jabari just got $20M.
He will be 30 entering the 2019 season. It's obvious, but the Bulls are paying for potential. The question marks add up if there's a serious issue. Not a stretch to take a near max level veteran player to a 1 year prove it contract (Cousins, IT) with a single injury. He's betting on himself, I get it, there's risk in everything, I hope he gets paid and keeps being successful.
39 year all star is in his prime. Very safe risk.
Jimmy will be playing with Lebron next year...
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on July 14, 2018, 10:05:59 AM
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.
No. It's a $ thing. He'd be nuts to take the offer.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 14, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
Jimmy will be playing with Lebron next year...
I think you might be right on this one. I guarantee Marky Mark is in Jimmy's ear telling him about how great LA is.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 14, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
No. It's a $ thing. He'd be nuts to take the offer.
Seriously. It was an almost insulting offer. The Wolves must have known it had a 1-5%chance of being accepted but why not tryI guess?
https://deadspin.com/of-course-jimmy-butler-rejected-minnesotas-bargain-shop-1827600706
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1019333240207769600
Is Van back in the league??
D Wade offered 3 years and 25 million to go to China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/07/24/dwyane-wade-free-agency-contract-offer-china
This is on the heels of him signing a life contract with his shoe company Li Ning.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215091300.html
Stephon Marbury giving his advice to D Wade on the matter.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/07/dwyane-wade-china-contract-stephon-marbury-advice
D Wade and Lebron enjoying some action at the Las Vegas Fab48 event
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1022649419089494016/video/1
https://twitter.com/cassyathena/status/1022667150966763520
Solid interview with Henry Ellenson
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/08/03/henry-ellenson-detroit-pistons-blake-griffin-andre-drummond-lessons
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/6/17654922/podcast-la-lakers-trade-jimmy-butler-deadline-khris-middleton-marvel-lebron-james-steph-curry
Some interesting footage of D Wade and Oladipo get a run in with and a number of other NBA players. If you watch closely you will see a couple snippets of Haanif Cheatem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azuHcJLkl8A
Lazar teaching basketball to Nicole Richie
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIwmu2KPPk
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 13, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Lazar teaching basketball to Nicole Richie
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIwmu2KPPk
You know that video is at least 5 years old right?
Quote from: BagpipingHurler on August 13, 2018, 07:16:25 PM
You know that video is at least 5 years old right?
And posted in Scoop way back
Quote from: Newsdreams Likes Chardonnay on August 13, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
And posted in Scoop way back
Slow news day.
They have reruns of Gilligans Island too.
Vander sporting some MU gear while he works out...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmCEXU3gKs-/?hl=en&taken-by=slickveez
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-beef-didnt-know-needed-dwyane-wade-jimmy-butler-instagram-photo-gabrielle-union-181944657.html
I love Davante's tweets. He posted this picture yesterday. I am pretty sure that the ratio of bus size to Davante size is properly scaled:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlXVT0fUYAAkLhL.jpg)
Looks like Jamil Wilson is headed back to Italy Series A with Fiat Torino. In negotiations with Fiat Torino. He may have an out of the contract if an NBA team calls or if he goes to the EuroLeague. Hopefully he can land an NBA training camp deal.
https://sportando.basketball/it/italia/serie-a/286658/fiat-torino-ai-dettagli-con-jamil-wilson.html
http://basket-infos.com/2018/08/26/jamil-wilson-pour-remplacer-royce-white/
https://www.basketnet.it/la-fiat-torino-vicina-jamil-wilson/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 26, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
Looks like Jamil Wilson is headed back to Italy Series A with Fiat Torino. In negotiations with Fiat Torino. He may have an out of the contract if an NBA team calls or if he goes to the EuroLeague. Hopefully he can land an NBA training camp deal.
https://sportando.basketball/it/italia/serie-a/286658/fiat-torino-ai-dettagli-con-jamil-wilson.html
http://basket-infos.com/2018/08/26/jamil-wilson-pour-remplacer-royce-white/
https://www.basketnet.it/la-fiat-torino-vicina-jamil-wilson/
Further update. Looks Like Jamil is on his way to fatherhood.
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurocup/730611/fiat-turin-brings-back-jamil-wilson/
It may be possible that Dwight Buycks has a training camp deal with the Pistons. Two clues, First, he is still listed on the Pistons 2018-19 roster, which right now is the max 20 men. Secondly, his Rotowold profile mentions that he has a training camp deal if he wants one . I guess we will find out when the Pistons release their official training camp roster at the end of the month.
http://www.nba.com/players/dwight/buycks/202779
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1923/dwight-buycks
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/04/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson-usa-fiba-world-cup/1191245002/
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2018/08/16/dont-expect-constant-trade-speculation-around-wesley-matthews-stop-next-season
DJO getting a look by the Timberwolves. Lets hope it works out for him.
https://www.pianetabasket.com/nba/workout-con-i-minnesota-timberwolves-per-l-ex-cremona-darius-johnson-odom-164029
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/09/11/minnesota-timberwolves-roundup-jimmy-butler-day-more-workouts/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 12, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
DJO getting a look by the Timberwolves. Lets hope it works out for him.
https://www.pianetabasket.com/nba/workout-con-i-minnesota-timberwolves-per-l-ex-cremona-darius-johnson-odom-164029
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/09/11/minnesota-timberwolves-roundup-jimmy-butler-day-more-workouts/
DJO getting a further look by the Timberwolves. Possible camp invite.
https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1041802767566884866/photo/1
DJO was suspended today for 8 months from overseas play due to an anti doping violation .
http://sport.repubblica.it/news/sport/basket-doping-cremona-ex-johnson-odom-squalificato-8-mesi/4753347?refresh_ce
Jimmy wants out of Minnesota.
Can't blame him.
@ShamsCharania
Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.
Cripes
Eye kan blame 'im. Cat is leavin' neerly $49 mil. on the table. U'd tink MU wooda taught 'im somethin' 'bout 💰, aina?
I love these guys. Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.
Guess what, that's what free agency is for. Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.
Prima donna.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
I love these guys. Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.
Guess what, that's what free agency is for. Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.
Prima donna.
For the record, the list Butler provided is a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with before free agency. That list isn't preventing Minnesota from trading him anywhere they deem in their best interests. But realistically, Minnesota is going to get
much more return in a trade with one of those teams than a team Butler won't sign with immediately.
Also, let's be clear ... Jimmy
never signed a contract with Minnesota and never indicated he would sign there after his current contract expires. He could just as easily play out his contract and walk at season's end, with Minnesota getting zero in return.
They knew this was a possibility when they traded for him.
So, in conclusion, Butler is doing the Minnesota a favor by asking for a trade now and providing this list.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
I love these guys. Sign contracts, are unhappy so want a trade, but give their team "one to three" teams that they want to play for.
Guess what, that's what free agency is for. Teams will, and should, do what is in the best interest of the team, whether that be keeping the player or shipping him to Oklahoma City.
Prima donna.
Why? He was traded
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1042479195371266050?s=20
Nets, Knicks, or Clippers
Eff winning, get money. No one's beating the Warriors anyway.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 19, 2018, 02:23:51 PM
For the record, the list Butler provided is a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with before free agency. That list isn't preventing Minnesota from trading him anywhere they deem in their best interests. But realistically, Minnesota is going to get much more return in a trade with one of those teams than a team Butler won't sign with immediately.
Also, let's be clear ... Jimmy never signed a contract with Minnesota and never indicated he would sign there after his current contract expires. He could just as easily play out his contract and walk at season's end, with Minnesota getting zero in return.
They knew this was a possibility when they traded for him.
So, in conclusion, Butler is doing the Minnesota a favor by asking for a trade now and providing this list.
Not only that, but Jimmy hasn't said anything publicly that I can tell.
All I care about is that DJO gets a roster opportunity with the T Wolves. Jimmy will get his money either way.
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him? Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 02:59:56 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him? Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?
Wade and Jimmy didn't seem to get along with Hoiberg style of coaching and Bulls were sort of dismantling the team. Wade had also said that if they traded Jimmy he wanted out and that happened eventually.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 02:59:56 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him? Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?
Not really. He was outspokenly critical of Hoiberg one time (and he wasn't wrong), but repeatedly said he wanted to stay in Chicago. The Bulls traded him because they had nothing around him. With him, they were going to be stuck in 6-10th place every year, aka NBA hell.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 19, 2018, 12:57:17 PM
Jimmy wants out of Minnesota.
Can't blame him.
@ShamsCharania
Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.
D - I - V - A!!
Funny, today JFB denied all of this.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2018, 02:59:56 PM
Didn't Jimmy in some ways force Chicago's hand to trade him? Not straight up ask for a trade, but didn't he butt some heads in that locker room as well?
JFB works extremely hard at his craft, He'll butt heads with those who don't.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 21, 2018, 10:22:41 AM
JFB works extremely hard at his craft, He'll butt heads with those who don't.
I'd buy that if it was just one locker room. If the recent rumors are true and it's happening in another locker room I start to buy it less.
I'm guessing the T-Wolves may regret the 5yr-$147 million contract they gave Wiggins.
Poor defensively.
Below average 3pt shooter (33% career).
Mediocre mid-range game (37% 10-16 feet), (41% 3-10 feet)
Jimmy is looking out for his next contract. As a free agent next summer he can max at 4 years @ $140 million with a different team.
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on September 21, 2018, 12:31:18 PM
I'm guessing the T-Wolves may regret the 5yr-$147 million contract they gave Wiggins.
Poor defensively.
Below average 3pt shooter (33% career).
Mediocre mid-range game (37% 10-16 feet), (41% 3-10 feet)
Jimmy is looking out for his next contract. As a free agent next summer he can max at 4 years @ $140 million with a different team.
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.
Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on September 21, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.
Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!
But yes, I also think that is one of the worst contracts in sports. Not quite as bad as Joe Mauer's, though!
Quote from: MU82 on September 21, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!
Are they the B.o.bcats now? Will they be coming to Madness?
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on September 21, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
Has to be a top 5 worst contract in the league at this point. They should have traded him for whatever picks they could get in his contract year. A dumb team like the Bobcats or the Nets or Cavs would have paid something stupid for him.
The Cavs actually look pretty smart for trading Wiggins for Kevin Love.
Wear duz JFB bangin' KAT's old lady factor inta all diz, hey?
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on September 21, 2018, 12:31:18 PM
If he is traded and resigns with that new team he's eligible for 5 years @ $190 million.
That's...simply insane.
$38M/year. Particularly when you think the homeless kid from Trumbull could end up making that.
Bet his mother duzant think he's ugly now, hey?
Quote from: TSmith34 on September 21, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
That's...simply insane.
$38M/year. Particularly when you think the homeless kid from Trumbull could end up making that.
Wat iz Trumbull?
Quote from: MU82 on September 21, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
Bobcats are so dumb that they haven't been the Bobcats for several years!
But yes, I also think that is one of the worst contracts in sports. Not quite as bad as Joe Mauer's, though!
LOL brain fart
DJO gets a training camp invite from the Timberwolves.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/9/24/17896262/timberwolves-sign-darius-johnson-odom-and-jonathan-stark-complete-training-camp-roster-nba
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 24, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
DJO gets a training camp invite from the Timberwolves.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/9/24/17896262/timberwolves-sign-darius-johnson-odom-and-jonathan-stark-complete-training-camp-roster-nba
Next T-Wolves superstar after Jimmy gets traded to the Hornets for a box of rocks!
Maybe MU has something planned for Wade's farewell?
https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044408420848324609?s=21
Wade giving MU some love
https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044635314076241920?s=21
Quote from: Newsdreams on September 25, 2018, 12:30:00 PM
Wade giving MU some love
https://twitter.com/dwyanewade/status/1044635314076241920?s=21
Yeah, but what kind of shorts was he wearing?
Lol was going to say it but abstained. Hopefully Bulls /Heat???
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/26/detroit-pistons-dwayne-casey-henry-ellenson/1431466002/
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2018, 05:09:32 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/09/26/detroit-pistons-dwayne-casey-henry-ellenson/1431466002/
Did he really think going home and doing pickup games was going to be beneficial in the offseason? Is there even D1 talentaround his home?
White Lake? Gotta love accurate reporting.
Pretty sure ya kant sey dat heer, hey?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 27, 2018, 06:10:43 AM
Did he really think going home and doing pickup games was going to be beneficial in the offseason? Is there even D1 talentaround his home?
Really have to wonder about his agency representation. His agent needs to get on the ball with advice.
DJO DNP tonight in the T Wolves first exhibition versus Golden State. Don't think he will play much in the exhibitions, but hopefully he ends up on their Iowa Wolves G League affiliate.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on September 27, 2018, 06:51:57 AM
White Lake? Gotta love accurate reporting.
C'mon ... everybody knows he grew up in Traditional Lake!
DJO with 4 minutes tonight in the Timberwolves loss to the Bucks
4 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds plus a steal and a TO in garbage time. Pretty efficient, tied for 2nd on the team in assists.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 12, 2018, 10:13:38 PM
DJO with 4 minutes tonight in the Timberwolves loss to the Bucks
4 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds plus a steal and a TO in garbage time. Pretty efficient, tied for 2nd on the team in assists.
Built on momentum from practice.
I think DJO will eventually be called up from the G League at some point this year.
As expected DJO was cut by Minnesota. Looks like he is headed to their Iowa Wolves G League affiliate.
https://www.foxsports.com/north/story/minnesota-timberwolves-waive-four-players-canyon-barry-darius-johnson-odom-william-lee-jonathan-stark-101418
The Pistons were missing two starters on opening night, one to a minor injury and one to flu, and Casey played 10 players by early in the second quarter. Henry DNP-CD'd.
Quote from: tower912 on October 18, 2018, 06:03:49 AM
The Pistons were missing two starters on opening night, one to a minor injury and one to flu, and Casey played 10 players by early in the second quarter. Henry DNP-CD'd.
He'll have a great career in Europe.
Henry Ellenson is a great example of why the NBA needs a legitimate minor league.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on October 18, 2018, 06:38:31 AM
Henry Ellenson is a great example of why the NBA needs a legitimate minor league.
They have one. He's been playing there quite a bit.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 18, 2018, 07:53:01 AM
They have one. He's been playing there quite a bit.
In my opinion, the G-League is a haphazardly thrown together mess. You have a hodge podge free agents playing for themselves, 2 way contract players, and end of the bench players shuffling back and forth between there and the Association.
There is a lack of structure with the vast majority of teams. The G-League is essentially a glorified pickup game, with very little player development. Some NBA teams are starting to figure it out but the vast majority have no idea how to develop prospects.
I think the G-League of about five years ago is how you have described it. With pretty much every team owning their own affiliate, the development of two-way contracts and the ability to send players down and back whenever they want, I think it has become much better as a developmental league.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 18, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
I think the G-League of about five years ago is how you have described it. With pretty much every team owning their own affiliate, the development of two-way contracts and the ability to send players down and back whenever they want, I think it has become much better as a developmental league.
Without a doubt better but till they can hold on to the majority of borderline NBA prospects and the old Gleaguers have aged out it's still going to be far away from what they want.
The G-League has improved some but still has a long way to go. Problems:
1. Only 27 G-League teams exist but there are 30 NBA teams. It's the 18th season of the G-League and it still lacks a 1 to 1 team ratio to the NBA.
2. The vast majority of rosters are players signed by the G-League itself, then drafted by affiliates. Rosters shuffle yearly. These players are pure G-League fodder and they have no incentive to play team ball or help develop their teammates that are legitimate prospects.
3. Foreign leagues take a lot of talent away from the States. The two contract has improved this situation but there is a huge drop from the NBA fringe to the typical G-League player.
Duane drafted by Maine Red Claws in the G League.
https://gleague.nba.com/news/2018-nba-g-league-draft-board/
Hope he makes the roster.
JJJ made training camp roster for Erie Bay Hawks
https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/erie-bayhawks-finalize-training-camp-roster/n-5411718
Jamil Wilson performing well in Italy. Shooting 50% from 3 point line in first 6 games. 14-28. If he keeps this pace up he will make it back to the NBA once his herpes issue clears.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Fiat-Torino/8913?Page=3
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 22, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
Jamil Wilson performing well in Italy. Shooting 50% from 3 point line in first 6 games. 14-28. If he keeps this pace up he will make it back to the NBA once his herpes issue clears.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Fiat-Torino/8913?Page=3
That sh*t is forever
Good news for DJO he will be on the roster of the Iowa Wolves.
https://iowa.gleague.nba.com/news/wolves-announce-four-affiliate-players-for-2018-19-season/
Lets hope he gets called up and plays a few games with Jimmy.
What's Vander Blue up to?
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 03:03:11 PM
What's Vander Blue up to?
He is not playing anywhere right now. Went to Italy last year after being cut had a few good games then went into bad slump. Came back from Italy with tail between his legs and is not doing anything right now. His twitter and instagram show him constantly working out but he seems to be holding on to a dream that some NBA team will sign him again instead of sucking it up and going to G League .
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
That's too bad. Seems like a decent enough kid. Has NBA size and skill. Seems like one of those guys that never got a good fit. Lakers were a terrible fit with Kuzma, Ingram, Ball etc kinda fitting same role.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 24, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
He is not playing anywhere right now. Went to Italy last year after being cut had a few good games then went into bad slump. Came back from Italy with tail between his legs and is not doing anything right now. His twitter and instagram show him constantly working out but he seems to be holding on to a dream that some NBA team will sign him again instead of sucking it up and going to G League .
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
That's too bad. Seems like a decent enough kid. Has NBA size and skill. Seems like one of those guys that never got a good fit. Lakers were a terrible fit with Kuzma, Ingram, Ball etc kinda fitting same role.
He does not have NBA skills.
And is undersized for a 2 guard.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 24, 2018, 07:36:16 PM
He does not have NBA skills.
Lakers and Celtics disagree. He didn't stick, but he had the skills to get there. Not a lot of guys walking the planet who can say they were in the NBA.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 08:56:59 PM
Lakers and Celtics disagree. He didn't stick, but he had the skills to get there. Not a lot of guys walking the planet who can say they were in the NBA.
Fine. He has NBA 10 day contract skills. He's just not good enough for a permanent gig.
Quote from: MuMark on October 24, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
And is undersized for a 2 guard.
6'4" and 200 lbs? Not by much.
Name Height w/o shoes Height with shoes Weight Wingspan Standing reach Body fat Hand length Hand width
Blue, Vander 6' 3.5'' 6' 5.25'' 197.4 6' 6'' 8' 4.5'' 4.6 8.5 9.5
Found this via a google search. Interesting, good point about reach and wing span mattering as much as height. D Wade famously has a huge wingspan.
QuoteShooting Guards
For most of my basketball life, I've assumed 6-6 was the prototypical shooting guard height, but the average is almost exactly 6-5. Sometimes we idealize what the game should be and forget all the concessions teams have to make for real basketball games and how many smaller players, or dual point guard set-ups, are utilized. You can see some extremes of 6-foot shooting guards or one near 7-foot, but those are uncommon situations. For wingspan, one can consider 7-foot and above large for a shooting guard. Try not to only focus on height for defensive potential because, for perimeter players especially, wingspan is key for attacking passing lanes and covering offensive players. For standing reach, shooting guards are rarely under 8-foot, and those that play there are normally point guards. Standing reach is important for every player, by the way; I imagine some people think of it as something useful for big men. But you contest shots with your standing reach, not your height.
https://fansided.com/2016/06/23/average-position-measurements-2016/
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 24, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
Fine. He has NBA 10 day contract skills. He's just not good enough for a permanent gig.
Joke: What do you call the person who graduates last in their class from medical school?
Answer: Doctor.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
Joke: What do you call the person who graduates last in their class from medical school?
Answer: Doctor.
OK.
You claimed above that he has "NBA skills and size" and said that the reason he hasn't stuck was "fit." It's not "fit." It's that he's not good enough.
Sure he should be proud of making it. But its obvious why he's no longer on a roster.
Vander is good enough and big enough to play in the NBA. How do I know this for an absolute fact? Because he played for not one but two NBA teams and even started a game for LA.
In a different system/team he could've stuck.
Disagree? Good for you. That's what the internet is for. But he dominated the G League and has gotten a couple of cups of coffee in the league. If that isn't being on the cusp and maybe just not finding the right fit, I don't know what is.
If Vander were bigger or if he were more skilled, he might be a player worthy of more than 10-day contracts.
I mean, he's bigger than some NBA guards (even than some 2-guards, such as the Hornets' Malik Monk), and maybe he's more skilled than a few (big maybe). But the combination of being a skinny 6-3 guy who can't play PG at an NBA level ... it's a hard pass from the entire league.
Not sure why some have difficulty with that. It's a fact, and it has played out as a fact. If he had the size and/or skill (especially the skill), he'd be in the league.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Vander is good enough and big enough to play in the NBA. How do I know this for an absolute fact? Because he played for not one but two NBA teams and even started a game for LA.
In a different system/team he could've stuck.
Disagree? Good for you. That's what the internet is for. But he dominated the G League and has gotten a couple of cups of coffee in the league. If that isn't being on the cusp and maybe just not finding the right fit, I don't know what is.
I respect Vander's determination and hard work to try and stay in the NBA and am rooting for him. You are absolutely correct about his ability and size not being a barrier. He is also a kid who puts value on his team winning and has shown some ability in the clutch or down the stretch in games.
I spent some time watching entire G League games over the last few years where Vander was the feature player. It was interesting to note that many of the commentators, who were NBA Personnel executives, said that Vander was an acquired taste of sorts for GM's . In that his style was primarily driving to the basket and getting fouled which is presently out of vogue. This compounds his basic problem which is that his shooting is very inconsistent. His percentages are not that far off from what is needed, but that variance in game to game performance is extreme. So that is why there are very few takers. I do think the Lakers did him a disservice though, as they pointed out he had to show he was more than a scorer, so when he did get his big chance, with the two way contract last year, he played the role of supportive team guy and then was told he didn't produce. I am not sure that was a reasonable approach either.
Finally, Vander has not proven that he can be a factor in high level international play. He claims to have turned down big money offers to stay close to his NBA dream which is his choice. I think he needs to show he can play well at the Euro league level at this point to make his case again. Although that is not to say that some team could have some major injuries and he could get lucky and get another 10 day contract and stick.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 25, 2018, 07:19:28 AM
I respect Vander's determination and hard work to try and stay in the NBA and am rooting for him. You are absolutely correct about his ability and size not being a barrier. He is also a kid who puts value on his team winning and has shown some ability in the clutch or down the stretch in games.
I spent some time watching entire G League games over the last few years where Vander was the feature player. It was interesting to note that many of the commentators, who were NBA Personnel executives, said that Vander was an acquired taste of sorts for GM's . In that his style was primarily driving to the basket and getting fouled which is presently out of vogue. This compounds his basic problem which is that his shooting is very inconsistent. His percentages are not that far off from what is needed, but that variance in game to game performance is extreme. So that is why there are very few takers. I do think the Lakers did him a disservice though, as they pointed out he had to show he was more than a scorer, so when he did get his big chance, with the two way contract last year, he played the role of supportive team guy and then was told he didn't produce. I am not sure that was a reasonable approach either.
This is a good summary. Except if his shooting is inconsistent, that means he really doesn't have enough "NBA skill."
Everyone is in agreement that Vander Blue is a talented basketball player and is right on the cusp of an NBA-caliber player. Some of us (me included) see a spot for him on an NBA roster and others think some of his weaknesses keep him on the outside looking in. It's really a bit of an argument about shades of grey. All, I'm sure, are proud of Vander and grateful for his contributions to Marquette basketball.
Here's an old but on point article on Vander's NBA chances. https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/7/18/15987218/the-curious-case-of-vander-blue-nba-la-dfenders-south-bay-lakers-nba-gleague-summer-league
Portland Trailblazers in discussion with Jamil for possible two way contract per Italian press.
https://www.pianetabasket.com/lega-a/lega-a-fiat-torino-il-futuro-di-jamil-wilson-potrebbe-condurlo-a-portland-166792
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 25, 2018, 10:48:00 AM
Everyone is in agreement that Vander Blue is a talented basketball player and is right on the cusp of an NBA-caliber player. Some of us (me included) see a spot for him on an NBA roster and others think some of his weaknesses keep him on the outside looking in. It's really a bit of an argument about shades of grey. All, I'm sure, are proud of Vander and grateful for his contributions to Marquette basketball.
Here's an old but on point article on Vander's NBA chances. https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/7/18/15987218/the-curious-case-of-vander-blue-nba-la-dfenders-south-bay-lakers-nba-gleague-summer-league
It might be a bit of an argument about shades of grey ... but the facts say he is not an NBA player.
I was not among Scoop's Vander-bashers. I liked him as a Warrior, especially (obviously) as a junior but I valued what he brought to the table even before then. I wish he would be an NBA player. But he isn't one.
JJJ had a DNP tonight in the Erie Bay Hawks only preseason game , a 141-102. Looks like he may be getting cut. Although the rest of the team sucked so bad he might actually be an improvement lol.
Wes Matthews credits Pilates for hot start to season. Nice to see Wes doing well.
http://basketballsocietyonline.com/wesley-matthews-pilates
Pistons elect to not pick up Henry's contract for next year. His lack of shooting skills hurt his cause. Hope they at least give Henry some junk time minutes this year to showcase himself.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 31, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Pistons elect to not pick up Henry's contract for next year. His lack of shooting skills hurt his cause. Hope they at least give Henry some junk time minutes this year to showcase himself.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/
At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age. Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling. If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency. If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.
Ain't know big thang. Looney's contrat wuzant picked up last yeer ether. Proved himself, wuz unrestricted, and resigned with GSW for 1 yeer and dey hold his Bird wrights after dis ceeson wen he's unrestricted again. #5 will due just fein, hey?
Yeah but Kevon was at least in the rotation somewhat.
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 31, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age. Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling. If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency. If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.
I have watched him in a half dozen G-league games in Grand Rapids. The G-league forwards are quicker and more physical than he is. And even at an average of 6'7, their quickness and physicality can disrupt his shot at the G-league level. Plus, when he plays in GR, he is a conscience free gunner who still does the whole 'get a defensive rebound, dribble it down court, back into the mid post, then shoot a turnaround jumper with no other teammate touching the ball' thing that he does.
Looks like Portland passed on Jamil for two way for now.
https://sportando.basketball/fiat-torino-per-ora-nessun-rischio-di-partenza-per-la-nba-per-jamil-wilson/
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 31, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
At this point, the main thing HE has going for him is his age. Since he has no hope of playing more than garbage time minutes with the Pistons, he should happily head to Grand Rapids and pray that his shots start falling. If he can shoot the three at 35% or above in the G-league, someone might pick him up in free agency. If not, head to Europe and live the sweet Diener life.
I said similar in the NBA thread on the Superbar.
Henry has to make 3s to play in today's NBA. He still has a chance to improve. Or maybe not.
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
I said similar in the NBA thread on the Superbar.
Henry has to make 3s to play in today's NBA. He still has a chance to improve. Or maybe not.
He has solid form, he just can't hit them. Almost convinced he needs glasses or something.
DJO with a solid 27 point outing in his first game for the Iowa Wolves. Really enjoy watching him back in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_t_E1wtH64
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/11/detroit_pistons_assign_henry_e.html
Henry needs minutes. Assigned to the G-League drive. I will see him tonight. Kid's school's band is playing the national anthem.
Quote from: tower912 on November 03, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/11/detroit_pistons_assign_henry_e.html
Henry needs minutes. Assigned to the G-League drive. I will see him tonight. Kid's school's band is playing the national anthem.
Looking forward to your report. Should be fun for the family too.
Possible Henry v Jameel McKay match-up tonight. Spending a lot of time matched against CJ Fair.
Through one half, Henry...
Looks bigger. Shoulders are broader, more definition to his arms.
Will still get a rebound and push it. The other bigs will outlet to him while the guards sprint up the wings.
Can't defend.
Had his pocket picked by Tyler Ulis.
When shooting an open 3 has great form and touch.
Will still force a turnaround 3. Or 4.
https://www.mlive.com/drive/2018/11/ellenson_leads_drive_to_first.html
Ended up with 29-15. Matched up with CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, and Tre'Darius McCallum most of the night. All in the 6-7-6'8 range.
Played a really solid game for the most part, offensively.
Good news for Dwight Buycks he got a job in China.
https://m.pianetabasket.com/cina/mercato-cba-dwight-buycks-torna-in-cina-giochera-per-i-leopards-167607
It is interesting that the French, Italian and Spanish press pick up the news about Dwight Buycks going to China but nothing here in the US.
https://www.bebasket.fr/championnat-a-l-etranger/faute-d-offres-en-nba--dwight-buycks-retourne-en-chine.htmlh
Jimmy Butler (general soreness) will play on Wednesday against the Lakers.
Thank you JB for gracing us with your brilliance. I know "general soreness" can be very rough. Especially after having to play 8 games already this season.
Ooops.... game is a national broadcast. Make it about you, big guy.
Good Chinese PR for Dwight Buycks
http://sports.sina.com.cn/basketball/cba/2018-11-06/doc-ihnknmqx5916449.shtml
Is in China now. Apparently he is some kind of alternate foreigner on the roster.
JFB to Sixers. Makes the East stronger.
I don't get this for the 76ers. The thing they need most is more outside shooting, and Covington and Saric shoot the second and third most threes on the team (Covington 39% this year and Saric 30% but he's a young guy who shot 39% last year). Simmons, Butler and Embiid will be fun to watch on defense, but the chemistry risk of adding JFB to that locker room + worsening their offensive achilles heel outweigh the upside for me.
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won't work.
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
I don't get this for the 76ers. The thing they need most is more outside shooting, and Covington and Saric shoot the second and third most threes on the team (Covington 39% this year and Saric 30% but he's a young guy who shot 39% last year). Simmons, Butler and Embiid will be fun to watch on defense, but the chemistry risk of adding JFB to that locker room + worsening their offensive achilles heel outweigh the upside for me.
Yup. As a Bucks fan, I like this. The 76ers are what the Bucks were the past 4 years. Just put as many athletic slashers as you can together and forget that shooting is what wins in basketball.
Love that the 76ers traded away 2 of their 3 competent shooters for a guy they'll have for 5 months.
Very interesting.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 10, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won't work.
I've outed myself as a non-fan of JFB's recent behavior, but I don't think the bolded is a given even if you're a JFB fan. He and Embiid are two very wound up alpha dog type dudes who are both young and still growing into that role. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if they didn't mesh, and if they don't mesh, they aren't going to just quietly disagree.
QuoteThe Sixers and Butler, 29, have every intention on formalizing a long-term agreement this summer, sources said, but nothing is allowed to be negotiated or agreed upon now. The Sixers will weigh Butler's physical condition and how he fits with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, but they didn't give up such significant assets believing that this would be a rental situation.
AHAHAHAHA. Can someone photoshop Elton Brand's face onto Charlie Brown trying to kick the football?
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.
Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn't happen today.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 10, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard. I know what the Wolves are trying to do but it won't work.
I saw a tweet by a writer basically saying Simmons presents the same type of issues as KAT and Wiggins did. Should be interesting.
It will be interesting to see how the Sixers gel. This could go really well or really poorly I think. I agree with the lack of shooters and looking like the old Bucks comment.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 10, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
JFB will be fine in the locker room if they play hard.
I hope you're right because I love JFB and want to see him do well. But can we agree that if he goes to a third team and then there are locker room issues because "his teammates aren't playing hard enough" that maybe the problem isn't with his teammates, maybe the problem is the only person who was present in all three locker rooms?
Quote from: MUDish on November 10, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.
Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn't happen today.
This is probably true, but the way that trade went down, I still contend the Bulls did poorly too. Markkanen looks solid, but the original trade was for Dunn, LaVine, and swapping the 7th pick for the 16th. The Bulls took Markkanen at 7, but the Wolves took Justin Patton at 16 - so you kind of forget that the Markkanen pick wasn't an
additional pick that year. Had the Wolves taken OG Anunoby or Kyle Kuzma instead of Justin Patton at 16, and the trade were remembered as "JFB and Kyle Kuzma for Dunn, LaVine, and Markkanen" it wouldn't look like as much of a win for Chi.
Hope Jimmy is able to thrive in his new environment. Will be good for MU if he does.
Quote from: MUDish on November 10, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
In hindsight, the Bulls may have gotten the best value when they dealt Butler.
Crazy to think that way couple years later, but Butler for Dunn, LaVine, Markkanen doesn't happen today.
I said that the day it happened the Bulls definitely won that trade.
Don't get me wrong, GarPax suck, but even a blind squirrel...
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 12:19:35 PM
I've outed myself as a non-fan of JFB's recent behavior, but I don't think the bolded is a given even if you're a JFB fan. He and Embiid are two very wound up alpha dog type dudes who are both young and still growing into that role. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if they didn't mesh, and if they don't mesh, they aren't going to just quietly disagree.
I agree there could be problems. This is Embiid's team. He is the better player.
Maybee Jimmy kan reestablish our relationship wit Philly Coach, hey?
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 10, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
This is probably true, but the way that trade went down, I still contend the Bulls did poorly too. Markkanen looks solid, but the original trade was for Dunn, LaVine, and swapping the 7th pick for the 16th. The Bulls took Markkanen at 7, but the Wolves took Justin Patton at 16 - so you kind of forget that the Markkanen pick wasn't an additional pick that year. Had the Wolves taken OG Anunoby or Kyle Kuzma instead of Justin Patton at 16, and the trade were remembered as "JFB and Kyle Kuzma for Dunn, LaVine, and Markkanen" it wouldn't look like as much of a win for Chi.
I'm getting old, I totally forgot about the 16th pick, you're right.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 10, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
I said that the day it happened the Bulls definitely won that trade.
Don't get me wrong, GarPax suck, but even a blind squirrel...
Disagree. None of those players are as good as Jimmy or really even close. With almost no exceptions in NBA trades, if you get the best player you won.
Watched Henry again tonight. Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance. Again against the Windy City Bulls. CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with. Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller. He worked hard on defense tonight.
Quote from: tower912 on November 16, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
Watched Henry again tonight. Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance. Again against the Windy City Bulls. CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with. Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller. He worked hard on defense tonight.
CJ Fair, the only Syracuse player I've ever liked.
Quote from: tower912 on November 16, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
Watched Henry again tonight. Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance. Again against the Windy City Bulls. CJ Fair, Kaiser Gates, Tre'Darius McCallum and Farrakhan Hall were the guys he matched up with. Didn't really dominate, though 3-4 inches taller. He worked hard on defense tonight.
Thanks for the uodate
Quote from: tower912 on November 16, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
Watched Henry again tonight. Looked comfortable but could not hit from distance.
Nothing new.
Whole team could not hit. 6-32
Fantastic News For Vander. He has been signed by the Bucks G League affiliate.
https://www.channel3000.com/sports/herd-sign-madison-native-vander-blue/870263626
Good luck Vander. Hope it works out this time.
D Wade with 35 points 6 assists 5 rebounds and 1 blocked shot in 34 minutes off the bench for the Heat in their loss to the Raptors.
He has been playing well this season, took some time off for the birth of his daughter , and is now picking up where he left off.
Wade continues to play well. Led the Heat down the stretch to a win over the Jazz and Jae Crowder.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/jazz-100-heat-102-game-recap-181202?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_heat&utm_campaign=heatdotcom_gamerecap
DJO on the sixers now??
I just had NBA countdown on in the background and they cut to jimmy walking around in the tunnel with DJO
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
DJO on the sixers now??
I just had NBA countdown on in the background and they cut to jimmy walking around in the tunnel with DJO
DJO still on the Iowa Wolves.
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 07:51:03 PM
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/
So?
Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?
Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 07:51:03 PM
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/12/03/okc-thunders-prospect-deonte-burton-earning-playing-time/
Good for Deonte "Empty Cupboard" Burton. Glad to see him straight BAMMIN on people THE LEAGUE.
#bodyBag
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
So?
Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?
Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?
John was asked to play the wing by the coaches. He has made the Greensboro Swarm G League team two years in a row. It is not in debate that John has real basketball talent by those who are willing to pay him to do so .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 06, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
John was asked to play the wing by the coaches. He has made the Greensboro Swarm G League team two years in a row. It is not in debate that John has real basketball talent by those who are willing to pay him to do so .
Lol.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
So?
Dawson averaged 8.5 pts on 39% shooting his last year at Liberty; does that "prove" that MU coaches were right to keep him glued to the bench?
Better question: Have you always been so obsessive?
In a Marquette NBA thread it kinda makes sense to post articles about former MU players progress in the NBA / G League. There's no issue with the link at all.
Why bring up Dawson?
Better question: Why try to turn yet another thread into that downward spiral? Geez.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 06, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
In a Marquette NBA thread it kinda makes sense to post articles about former MU players progress in the NBA / G League. There's no issue with the link at all.
Why bring up Dawson?
Better question: Why try to turn yet another thread into that downward spiral? Geez.
Ah ... so this is on me. Cool.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
Ah ... so this is on me. Cool.
Yeah, this one is for sure. You brought up Dawson based on an article about Deonte's progress with OKC. And the only reason you did it was to start the same tired argument again. Come on, it's all been hashed out by now. 99% of the board is sick of reading it over and over again.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 07, 2018, 08:33:28 AM
Yeah, this one is for sure. You brought up Dawson based on an article about Deonte's progress with OKC. And the only reason you did it was to start the same tired argument again. Come on, it's all been hashed out by now. 99% of the board is sick of reading it over and over again.
I brought up Dawson because I felt Ners was being passive aggressive and this was my way of calling him out on it.
I allow that I could have been wrong and Ners was just kindly sharing some information -- sort of like when I kindly share information about Shaka losing at home to Radford.
For the record this thread is for any Marquette alumni who play in the NBA or NBAG-League.
Interpret the term "alumni" however you would like to though the initial vision was those who ended their collegiate careers with us.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
For the record this thread is for any Marquette alumni who play in the NBA or NBAG-League.
Interpret the term "alumni" however you would like to though the initial vision was those who ended their collegiate careers with us.
In that case, Cinmeon Bowers from the MU alumni TBT team averaged 6.6 points per game this year with the Wisconsin Herd.
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can't play D.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 07, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can't play D.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
Couldn't, not can't.
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 07, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can't play D.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
I'd put that very far down the list on what makes a basketball player a good defender.
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 07, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
This was nice. Especially for a guy who can't play D.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAInbMyquNo
I feel even less badly about my Dawson response now.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2018, 05:06:21 PM
Couldn't, not can't.
I'll take that one step further, "wouldn't," not "couldn't."
Solid research report on Deonte Burton.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2019/01/06/deonte-burton-iowa-state-cyclones-oklahoma-city-thunder/2495620002/
Vander has been traded by the Wisconsin Herd to The Texas Legends. He is now teammates with Kostas. This is great news as it formalizes the long awaited MU and Kostas Connection. As Kostas will always have an MU teammate now, whether he is with Legend or the Mavericks.
https://texas.gleague.nba.com/news/legends-acquire-vander-blue/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 26, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
Vander has been traded by the Wisconsin Herd to The Texas Legends. He is now teammates with Kostas. This is great news as it formalizes the long awaited MU and Kostas Connection. As Kostas will always have an MU teammate now, whether he is with Legend or the Mavericks.
https://texas.gleague.nba.com/news/legends-acquire-vander-blue/
Awesome.
So no MU night honoring Vander at a herd game?
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 26, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
So no MU night honoring Vander at a herd game?
No but I think the Badgers were thinking of giving him some special recognition as Vander was looking for a massage therapist recently.
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1085291787495895042
Crap, Wes is a Knick.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 31, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
Crap, Wes is a Knick.
Pretty sure he's on the last year of his deal and they wanted to take another expiring.
However, if he did stick around, you're talking about a team with DSJ, a likely top 3 pick (Zion? Barrett?), and the cap space for 2 max contracts, one of which is allegedly KD. Of course it's the Knicks and they will likely mess it up, but that's a tasty basis for a team, in a top 3 most attractive market for players
Wes may end up with the Rockets.
https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/31/knicks-mavericks-trade-news-wesley-matthews-buyout-houston-rockets/
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 31, 2019, 06:29:02 PM
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?
Two thins. First , His contract was not extended. So the Pistons have no vested interest in playing him. Second he has had an ankle injury since December 10 and I am sure he is taking his time to work back from that because of point one above. When he does come back he needs to be in good form to impress some other team to sign him.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
Two thins. First , His contract was not extended. So the Pistons have no vested interest in playing him. Second he has had an ankle injury since December 10 and I am sure he is taking his time to work back from that because of point one above. When he does come back he needs to be in good form to impress some other team to sign him.
I knew about point 1. Was not aware of the injury.
Henry will be in Europe somewhere next season. Bummer for the kid.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 31, 2019, 06:29:02 PM
I noticed Henry has only played 2 games in the league and 6 games in the G league this season. He hurt?
Off the injury list today, and shipped off to Grand Rapids. Hopefully for him, to rehab before joining the Pistons for the last month or so.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 01, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
I knew about point 1. Was not aware of the injury.
Henry will be in Europe somewhere next season. Bummer for the kid.
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 01, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
Certainly beats most of the jobs other kids his age have, ai na?
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy. Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 01, 2019, 08:36:58 PM
Certainly beats most of the jobs other kids his age have, ai na?
I don't know I really loved my early and mid 20s making cold calls for Groupon and Stericycle. If I were him I'd pass up playing basketball around the world to do that in a heartbeat!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2019, 06:27:12 AM
I don't know I really loved my early and mid 20s making cold calls for Groupon and Stericycle. If I were him I'd pass up playing basketball around the world to do that in a heartbeat!
You are getting paid to do something that most people do for fun. If it pays the bills, what's not to love?
Same for being a gigolo or lady of da evenin', hey?
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 02, 2019, 12:48:47 AM
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy. Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.
I don't see the Warriors adding him, so really no chance at a championship this year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 01, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 01, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Yeah spend your early 20s getting paid decent money to play a sport you love around foreign countries, terrible. I feel like we act like playing in Europe is a big punishment but it's something that's still a fantastic life opportunity
I mean ya, obviously better than a desk job. But also obviously not even remotely close to how he planned his first contract going. It's been an unmitigated disaster.
Hope he finds somewhere to latch on in the NBA next season, though. Will always root for the kid.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2019, 06:58:32 AM
You are getting paid to do something that most people do for fum. If it pays the bills, what's not to love?
Oh I was being sarcastic, cold calling sucks.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
Yeah I wouldn't mind doing either one.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2019, 01:05:02 PM
Oh I was being sarcastic, cold calling sucks.
I know, honey, was agreeing with you, :-*
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
Henry is an early 20s recent lottery pick. He's not playing in Romania. He will end up in Spain, Italy, or Greece/Turkey on one of the Euroleague teams. It's not the NBA, but it's high level ball and playing in 10-15K arenas. Luke Fischer's team in Gran Canaria plays in a 12K seat arena
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 02, 2019, 12:48:47 AM
If the knicks buy out Wes's contract - he'll be strongly in demand for top level playoff teams who need a D and 3 guy. Could be his lucky year and a chance at a championship.
Hope Jimmy recruits him to the Sixers, just what they need
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Same for being a gigolo or lady of da evenin', hey?
Witch r u?
Yeah its bizarre. 6'10 guy who is decently athletic. Who can dribble and pass and shoot. It's odd how he hasn't looked like he can make it in the nba at all... guys like john luer can make it but not Henry? Hell idk I think Joey will play nba ball. Is Joey better? Lol crap idk
Quote from: Johnny B on February 02, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
Yeah its bizarre. 6'10 guy who is decently athletic. Who can dribble and pass and shoot. It's odd how he hasn't looked like he can make it in the nba at all... guys like john luer can make it but not Henry? Hell idk I think Joey will play nba ball. Is Joey better? Lol crap idk
I think "can't shoot" may be more accurate. Henry was drafted on the potential to develop into a good shooter, but that part hasn't developed as hoped.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?
Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked
Quote from: Eldon on February 02, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?
Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked
Top European leagues definitely pay over $100k.
Quote from: Eldon on February 02, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Pretty sure euro leagues don't pay $150K. Maybe in the range of $40-60K?
Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked
Median MLS salary in 2017 was $135K. It's gone up since then. Last year, 25 MLS players were being paid more than seven figures.
Euro basketball salaries can vary widely by leagues, but the top players in the better leagues can earn high six to seven figures. And remember, it's often tax free. China also is becoming a high-paid option for American players.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 02, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
I think "can't shoot" may be more accurate. Henry was drafted on the potential to develop into a good shooter, but that part hasn't developed as hoped.
from what I remember reading, when healthy, he wasn't seeing the floor because of his defense
Henry has been healing from an ankle injury. Rehabbing last night and tonight in the G-league. I am about to go watch him.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Henry is an early 20s recent lottery pick. He's not playing in Romania. He will end up in Spain, Italy, or Greece/Turkey on one of the Euroleague teams. It's not the NBA, but it's high level ball and playing in 10-15K arenas. Luke Fischer's team in Gran Canaria plays in a 12K seat arena
Fair enough. Per wiki, average attendance this year has been 5,800+. Not as small as I expected. Couldn't find any salary info though. Looks like he is the 3rd string C, averaging < 4ppg, so I doubt he is getting paid much.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Sure, but once you've sniffed the NBA, playing in front of 18,000 fans for millions of dollars, playing in a 1,500 person gym for $150K doesn't have quite the same appeal.
He would be making much more than that and in front of larger crowds. He wouldn't be going to a lower division.
Aaron White from Iowa makes $300,000 playing in Lithuania.
Henry Ellenson will be released soon. That might end his NBA career for a while
Things didn't work out for Henry in Detroit. Let's hope he can get picked up by a g league team for the rest of this year .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/252598/Pistons-To-Sign-Wayne-Ellington-Waive-Henry-Ellenson
I mean surely he put how how many million in the bank already? Cant feel to bad for him
Wild that just a couple years ago I think we hadn't the most guys in the NBA in my lifetime and now here we are with wade retiring and Henry getting waived leaving us with three and who knows how many more years Matthews has.
I'd say with Matthews at Indiana while Oladipo is out - he will get pretty good run there, probably for 2 years.
Sounds like he's a real positive guy - based on Fizdale's comments.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/david-fizdale-gets-in-final-enes-kanter-jab-with-matthews-praise/
I hoped he'd get a chance with a contender - thought his D and 3 would really help a team like Golden State.
Quote from: lessthannick11 on February 08, 2019, 01:40:15 PM
Henry Ellenson will be released soon. That might end his NBA career for a while
Pistons announced they were not picking up his option back in October. He's played 2 games for them this season. His NBA career could be over.
Quote from: Eldon on February 02, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Europeans see basketball how we see soccer. MLS players aren't making six figures, at least last I checked
The MLS salary piece was already debunked, but not even close to true on professional appeal. Many places it's second after soccer (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, former Soviet nations). Places like France, Germany, and Belgium have strong well followed leagues as well. Europe's impact on professional and Olympic basketball dwarfs that of the US in international soccer
Quote from: JWags85 on February 09, 2019, 04:42:26 AM
The MLS salary piece was already debunked, but not even close to true on professional appeal. Many places it's second after soccer (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, former Soviet nations). Places like France, Germany, and Belgium have strong well followed leagues as well. Europe's impact on professional and Olympic basketball dwarfs that of the US in international soccer
Hockey still number 2 in the former Soviet states I'd say but overall good point
Pistons officially release Henry.
I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
Pistons officially release Henry.
I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.
I'm not sure how I will ever get to bed after reading this news.
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
Pistons officially release Henry.
I'm guessing they won't keep Wally now, either.
~$3 million should last quite a while up der en Rice Lake, aina?
It's been a rough go for Henry Ellenson and Diamond Stone, the faces of Wisconsin basketball in 2015
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/12/ellenson-released-pistons-its-been-rough-go-diamond-stone/2841033002/
http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401071514
.....wearing the blue and gold.
It's been a rough go for Henry Ellenson and Diamond Stone, the faces of Wisconsin basketball in 2015
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/12/ellenson-released-pistons-its-been-rough-go-diamond-stone/2841033002/
It's premature to already write the career obituary of any player good enough to be drafted into the NBA after one year of college basketball in 2016, but the 2015 co-Mr. Basketball recipients in Wisconsin have had a rough go.
Henry Ellenson, the former star at Rice Lake who spent one year at Marquette University, was waived by the Detroit Pistons over the weekend as the franchise swooped in to sign Wayne Ellington. The 2016 first-round pick, taken 18th overall, was the youngest player on the roster and is only 21 years old, but Detroit already made it clear in October that Ellenson wasn't in the organization's long-term plans.
DJO has been quietly having a very productive season for the Iowa Wolves. I realize it is the G League but the consistency has been there game after game. Has played several roles, PG, SG and even SF.
DJO anti doping suspension ends March 16. So the question is will he get called up by the T Wolves or will he go back and finish off the season back in Italy to make a few bucks?
Would be great if he could get a couple of 10 day contracts here.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 17, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
DJO anti doping suspension ends March 16. So the question is will he get called up by the T Wolves or will he go back and finish off the season back in Italy to make a few bucks?
Hadn't been following, so this made it sound performance enhancing. But no, it was just dope. Metabolized THC.
Forward Henry Ellenson plans to sign a 10-day contract with the New York Knicks, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Quote from: MuMark on February 19, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Forward Henry Ellenson plans to sign a 10-day contract with the New York Knicks, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Excellent News for Henry. Hope he can play and get it renewed .
In the meantime DJO and the Iowa Wolves will be battling Vander and the Texas Legends Wednesday . Should be an instant G League classic .
With about 1 minute left in OT in tonight's Jazz-Thunder game, Jae stepped in and drew a charge on Westbrook for Westbrook's 6th foul. Clutch, heady play by one of my all-time favorite Warriors!
Delighted that Henry got a chance to play 36 minutes tonight. Hopefully he can build off of it.
Interviews with DJO who is having a very good year with Iowa Wolves. Talks about working at MU in part 1 and mentions his MU degree in part 2
https://www.kcci.com/article/a-pro-ballers-journey-pt1-darius-johnson-odom-iowa-wolves/26506699
https://www.kcci.com/article/a-pro-ballers-journey-pt-2-darius-johnson-odom-iowa-wolves/26507317
Wes has a pre game coffee ritual.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2019/02/24/indiana-pacers-wesley-matthews-has-hot-pre-game-ritual-get-him-wired-nba-players-coffee/2791820002/
Holy crap DWade with the crazy 3 to beat the Warriors (!) at the buzzer. Nice.
Can we bring the GOAT discussion to this thread?
Quote from: 1SE on February 28, 2019, 05:06:05 AM
Can we bring the GOAT discussion to this thread?
Hoping D Wade and the Heat makes the playoffs.
Henry signs contract for rest of the season. Hopefully he can show enough so the Knicks pick up the option.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/henry-ellenson-turns-fast-start-into-longer-knicks-contract/
Wes playing hard for another contract
https://www.mavs.com/wesley-matthews-touched-by-tribute-but-hasnt-changed-a-bit-with-pacers/
DJO has been playing well all season for Iowa Wolves in g league. Just won player of the month for February. Hopefully, something good happens for DJO.
https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-call-up-candidates-darius-johnson-odom-rob-gray-derek-cooke-jr-chinanu-onuaku-dusty-hannahs/
Also in 12 days his suspension for doping expires. So who knows he may back in Italy playing with Travis or Jamil again soon.
DJO finished up a very successful season with the Iowa Wolves. Unfortunately he was not called up by the T Wolves. However, now that his drug suspension is over he has signed a contract to finish out the season in Italy. I hope he plays for the MU TBT again this year.
https://sportando.basketball/en/reggio-emilia-signs-darius-johnson-odom-and-darel-poirier/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/darius-johnson-odom-heads-to-italy/
DWade eliminated from the playoffs :'(
Quote from: GoldenEagle323 on April 09, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
DWade eliminated from the playoffs :'(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uproxx.com/dimemag/dwyane-wade-final-home-game-heat-highlights-video/amp/
Chief Cohen getting some attention in NBA Land.
https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1138490513647112192
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 11, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Chief Cohen getting some attention in NBA Land.
https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1138490513647112192
Summer league. Good luck to Sandy.
JFB has opted for free agency. Sixers can pay him more than others, but it's nice to think about where he might end up.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 14, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
JFB has opted for free agency. Sixers can pay him more than others, but it's nice to think about where he might end up.
Flakers
Quote from: Cheeks on June 15, 2019, 05:01:53 PM
Flakers
It wasn't funny the first 10 times...
If he travels west, I think JFB ends up with the Clippers. Leonard and JFB with the nice young pieces they have.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 17, 2019, 01:22:50 PM
It wasn't funny the first 10 times...
If he travels west, I think JFB ends up with the Clippers. Leonard and JFB with the nice young pieces they have.
I said it twice.....
Quote from: Cheeks on June 19, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
I said it twice.....
Sounds like you should retire it after this brief unsuccessful run.
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.
Quote from: drewm88 on June 19, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.
I'm a big fan of Conley's and would love to have him on the Bucks. That's a pretty steep price for a 32 year old though.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 19, 2019, 02:35:52 PM
I'm a big fan of Conley's and would love to have him on the Bucks. That's a pretty steep price for a 32 year old though.
I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.
2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.
Quote from: drewm88 on June 19, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
Jae's headed to Memphis. Traded with Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver, and 2 picks for Mike Conley.
Solid Research Report on the trade.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/06/19/mike-conley-trade-memphis-grizzlies-utah-jazz/1499726001/
Quote from: Jockey on June 19, 2019, 02:50:36 PM
I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.
2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.
Agreed. If healthy, Conley is still one of the top 5-10 PGs in the world.
Quote from: Jockey on June 19, 2019, 02:50:36 PM
I don't think they overpaid. I think as of now it is a win for Utah.
2 bench guys and a shooter at the end of his career. Plus 2 draft picks that look to be in the 20s.
In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.
All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.
All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.
Agreed. This all but guarantees Rubio walks, they lose 2 of their more reliable shooters (their weakness), and they get a guy who will be 32 years old, has consistently had injury issues, and is going to make $66M over the next 2 seasons. In a league where you need the elite of the elite to win a title, they don't have that. I see a lot of "solid" to "very good" players and no "great" players on this team. When's the last time a team without a top 5 player in the NBA won a title? I'm not sold this team has even a top 20 player in the NBA (Gobert is good, but offensively limited).
Quote from: wadesworld on June 19, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
Agreed. This all but guarantees Rubio walks, they lose 2 of their more reliable shooters (their weakness), and they get a guy who will be 32 years old, has consistently had injury issues, and is going to make $66M over the next 2 seasons. In a league where you need the elite of the elite to win a title, they don't have that. I see a lot of "solid" to "very good" players and no "great" players on this team. When's the last time a team without a top 5 player in the NBA won a title? I'm not sold this team has even a top 20 player in the NBA (Gobert is good, but offensively limited).
The 2004 pistons
Quote from: swoopem on June 20, 2019, 01:10:47 PM
The 2004 pistons
Yup. That's the last team I can think of. So 15 years ago. And that team had one player who will most likely make the HOF (Billups) and another one who is a coin flip for it (Wallace, as crazy as it is to think a guy who never averaged double figures in scoring for a season could be a HOFer). I'm not sure the Jazz have any future HOFers. Gobert could get there eventually. I personally don't see it with Mitchell and I don't think Conley has even made an AS Game (which he should have by now).
Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
In a way, it makes sense. The Warriors dynasty appears over - or at least for a year - and the west is there for the taking, especially with Houston apparently in shambles. Added to that, Toronto showed this year that bold, risky moves can reap big rewards.
All that said, how much better does Conley make the Jazz. Does this push the past the Lakers with a (presumably) health LeBron and AD? Probably not. Does this make them better than Portland or Denver? I'm a bit skeptical.
I laud them for the effort, but I don't see this moving the needle for them all that much.
I agree. Conley just makes them a bit better - not a favorite.
My point was that Memphis got not very much in return. There was no doubt that the Griz will be Ja's team, so apparently that was the best offer they got.
I just don't see
Quote from: Jockey on June 20, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
I agree. Conley just makes them a bit better - not a favorite.
My point was that Memphis got not very much in return. There was no doubt that the Griz will be Ja's team, so apparently that was the best offer they got.
I think for Memphis, the return is not paying Mike Conley $67 million over the next two years. He's a good player and all, but an oft-injured point guard on the wrong side of 30 is useless for a rebuilding team.
So is Heldt still on the board by pick 30 tonight?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
Yup. That's the last team I can think of. So 15 years ago. And that team had one player who will most likely make the HOF (Billups) and another one who is a coin flip for it (Wallace, as crazy as it is to think a guy who never averaged double figures in scoring for a season could be a HOFer). I'm not sure the Jazz have any future HOFers. Gobert could get there eventually. I personally don't see it with Mitchell and I don't think Conley has even made an AS Game (which he should have by now).
Actually that's interesting to think about: had there ever been a team that won it that didn't have a hall of famer? I don't think Chauncey is a lock. I'd actually think Ben Wallace has a better chance. I can think of every team back to the 1977 blazers and they all had some in the hall
So Jae and Ja are on the same team now.
Knew they'd show the video of Morant putting his nuts in Joeys face on that dunk when he got picked
Quote from: swoopem on June 20, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Actually that's interesting to think about: had there ever been a team that won it that didn't have a hall of famer? I don't think Chauncey is a lock. I'd actually think Ben Wallace has a better chance. I can think of every team back to the 1977 blazers and they all had some in the hall
Larry Brown is in the HOF, so there's that.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 20, 2019, 05:53:11 PM
So is Heldt still on the board by pick 30 tonight?
Bucks traded the pick, so he'd be headed to Detroit.
Marial Shayok former MU commit drafted by 76ers in second round.
The record for most franchises in a career is 12. I think Jae has a shot!
Jamil Wilson working out with 76ers. Good luck Jamil.
https://sportando.basketball/jamil-wilson-tra-gli-atleti-impegnati-in-un-workout-per-free-agent-con-i-76ers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 08:23:24 PM
Jamil Wilson working out with 76ers. Good luck Jamil.
https://sportando.basketball/jamil-wilson-tra-gli-atleti-impegnati-in-un-workout-per-free-agent-con-i-76ers/
Hopefully he wraps it before tapping it this time.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
12:07PM 25 Jun 19
Shout out to former Seymour, Marquette and UW-Green Bay wing Sandy Cohen for signing a summer contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on June 25, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
12:07PM 25 Jun 19
Shout out to former Seymour, Marquette and UW-Green Bay wing Sandy Cohen for signing a summer contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Great work Chief
Anybody know if there's any MU guys playing in the summer league this year?
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 29, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
Anybody know if there's any MU guys playing in the summer league this year?
As of June 27
https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/27/nba-summer-league-rosters-2019/
Juan Anderson Golden State
Also. Sandy Cohen is playing for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Deonte Burton is playing for Oklahoma City.
Sew one, Juan, hey?
Fun Interview With Jimmy Butler. It is worth taking the time to watch. Moved this to its own thread.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58868.msg1142013#msg1142013
jfb to miami? interesting
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
jfb to miami? interesting
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
...or maybe not...
Quote from: MUDish on June 30, 2019, 10:31:42 PM
...or maybe not...
Mavericks backed out of deal, so trade is in limbo for now.
Wes Matthews signing with the Bucks
A little surprised they got him for the minimum, but it's a chance to come home and play on a title contender.
Lost a step after the achilles, but still gives them some much-needed outside shooting after Brogdon's departure.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 01, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
Wes Matthews signing with the Bucks
Nice. Hopefully he can be a shooter off the bench.
Excellent News for Wes, The Bucks and MU. Wes should be a solid contributor for a contender .
Seeing "Herman Cain" I see there's a Godfather's Pizza in Minneapolis Airport. I just didn't think that crap they called pizza really existed?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 01, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
Seeing "Herman Cain" I see there's a Godfather's Pizza in Minneapolis Airport. I just didn't think that crap they called pizza really existed?
It's big in the upper Midwest and Great Plains . If you want a franchise we can get you in touch with the right people.
Wes to the Bucks is awesome
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 01, 2019, 06:13:47 PM
Wes to the Bucks is awesome
Very cool to see him get a chance playing in front of friends and family (including, of course, his MU family)...and on a team with legit title hopes.
Welcome home, Wesley!
Should help Woj's recruitin', aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 01, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
Should help Woj's recruitin', aina?
I agree with this analysis.
Excellent research report by Matty V on Wes
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/1615806001
Juan's been getting some decent PT in the Warriors summer league games, he went 3-3 from the field I believe in the first game so they rewarded him with a start in today's game vs Miami and Tyler Herro
I hope Swaggy Du can get another shot at the G League this year. Looks like he is 100 percent healthy again.
https://twitter.com/MkeSummaJam2019/status/1146136817911156737
Doc with Presidential endorsement
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1147483613367361539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3920261594498901765.ampproject.net%2F1906282130140%2Fframe.html
Anybody catch ESPN2 announcers referring to Jordan Howard as Markus during Summer League Lakers vs Knicks tonight. They haven't realized their error yet, keep saying Markus. LOL
Autocorrect
When they say it, do they say it with a "c"?
Henry Ellenson signing a two-way contract with the Nets.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Henry Ellenson signing a two-way contract with the Nets.
Good slot for him. His position is down the greatest player in the game so the opportunity is there to be a solid backup.
Good move for Henry. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
Good move for Sam. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.
huh?
He meant Henry. Easy mistake. All those white dudes look alike.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
Good move for Sam. This is the last year he is eligible for a two way contract.
I think congratulations are in order for Sam.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 15, 2019, 01:07:39 PM
He meant Henry. Easy mistake. All those white dudes look alike.
Like GarPax. SamHe?
Happy Birthday Vander
https://mobile.twitter.com/Lake_Show_Time/status/1151569551043129344
Excellent research report on Lou Williams, JJJ's uncle . Mentions how Doc Rivers has embraced him.
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/lou-williams-story/
Juan Anderson really working hard on defense. At a minimum I think he makes the Warriors G League again and who knows may come from that.
https://twitter.com/GSWReddit/status/1153024280105328640
https://theathletic.com/1164008/2019/08/26/chase-center-tour-some-early-thoughts-on-the-warriors-new-arena/
Juan has a locker in the new Warriors arena...
Quote from: MUDPT on August 27, 2019, 04:58:32 PM
https://theathletic.com/1164008/2019/08/26/chase-center-tour-some-early-thoughts-on-the-warriors-new-arena/
Juan has a locker in the new Warriors arena...
With Juan it seems that Buzz maybe wasn't the talent developer that people remember him as. Awful lot of average college players under him going on to be borderline NBA players.
Cue up the Buzz V Crean debate in 3.2.1....
Bazz was fantastic at creating a system that fit the personnel he had and he was fantastic at getting teams to play harder than their opponents.
Bazz wasn't very good at developing talent and most of his most productive players were guys who developed at the JUCO level first. His high school recruits very rarely met expectations. Vander was about what he should've been and Davante far exceeded what anyone thought he would be. Otherwise most of the high school guys were meh. He excelled with guys who came in physically advanced and skilled like DJO, Jae, and Jimmy (though Jimmy did develop at MU much more than the first two) who came from JUCOs.
Juan Anderson working hard to make the Warriors. Played some minutes the first two preseason games. Rooting hard for him.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/oaklands-juan-toscano-aims-inspire-push-make-warriors-roster
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 11, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
Juan Anderson working hard to make the Warriors. Played some minutes the first two preseason games. Rooting hard for him.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/oaklands-juan-toscano-aims-inspire-push-make-warriors-roster
Toscano
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 11, 2019, 08:40:41 PM
Alcindor
Exactly. People were completey disrespectful to Kareem because they didn't want to call him the name he wanted to be called. Don't be that guy.
Bump for the new season.
Jimmy on the Heat
Wes on the Bucks
Jae on Grizzlies
Henry on Nets
Doc coaching Clippers
Anybody want to research the G League guys?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 24, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Bump for the new season.
Jimmy on the Heat
Wes on the Bucks
Jae on Grizzlies
Henry on Nets
Doc coaching Clippers
Anybody want to research the G League guys?
Lawrence Frank President of the Clippers.
Not sure if Chris Gilmartin is still in scouting with the T Wolves
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 24, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Bump for the new season.
Jimmy on the Heat
Wes on the Bucks
Jae on Grizzlies
Henry on Nets
Doc coaching Clippers
Anybody want to research the G League guys?
Henry is on a 2-way contract. He'll spend most of his time in the G-League.
wesley get's the starting nod for the deers
Wesley goes for 14 in the Bucks opener.
Instrumental in holding Harden to 2/13 from the floor
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on October 24, 2019, 09:49:51 PM
Wesley goes for 14 in the Bucks opener.
Instrumental in holding Harden to 2/13 from the floor
He was great. Big time 3 after the Rockets hit a 3 to cut the lead from 6 to 3 with a minute and a half left.
Jimmy out tomorrow against milwaukee after the birth of his daughter
Didant no he wuz married, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2019, 03:18:25 PM
Didant no he wuz married, hey?
damn, that's one lazy troll job
Curious to see how Tyler Herro does. Had a good preseason.
Quote from: romey on October 25, 2019, 05:29:50 PM
Curious to see how Tyler Herro does. Had a good preseason.
Can we redirect you to the regular nba thread?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 24, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Bump for the new season.
Jimmy on the Heat
Wes on the Bucks
Jae on Grizzlies
Henry on Nets
Doc coaching Clippers
Anybody want to research the G League guys?
G League draft was today. Vander got drafted by Santa Cruz Warriors.
Ja to Jae for the game winner last night
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 26, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
G League draft was today. Vander got drafted by Santa Cruz Warriors.
335 points from becoming the all-time leading scorer.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/leaders/pts_career.html
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2019, 07:12:42 AM
Ja to Jae for the game winner last night
Looked just like the Arcidiacono to Jenkins play that won Nova their first natty.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 28, 2019, 07:20:07 AM
335 points from becoming the all-time leading scorer.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/leaders/pts_career.html
Only two spots ahead of acclaimed actor/director Ron Howard!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 28, 2019, 07:20:07 AM
335 points from becoming the all-time leading scorer.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/leaders/pts_career.html
Very Crash Davisesque
Quote from: SaveOD238 on October 28, 2019, 07:50:28 AM
Only two spots ahead of acclaimed actor/director Ron Howard!
Former MU great Ron Howard
Quote from: SaveOD238 on October 28, 2019, 07:49:06 AM
Looked just like the Arcidiacono to Jenkins play that won Nova their first natty.
Second natty
Deonte Burton has played two games with Oklahoma City. He is on a regular contract.
G League training camp rosters posted. Only MU players were ,as previously noted , Vander and Juan with Santa Cruz. John Dawson also is on the Greensboro Swarm for the third straight year.
Buycks, Jamil and Lazar are not any teams anywhere in the world. Lazar out two years now, so I think the game may be over for him. Surprised that Buycks and Jamil are on the outside looking in. Although sometimes Buycks goes to China later in the season for some reason.
Rowsey had a good rookie season last year in Hungary but is not listed anywhere.
JJJ was draft eligible but no one picked him.
Duane, Katin, Mo Acker, Carlino, Dominic, Luke, DJO, Davante and Luke all playing overseas.
I think you forgot Luke.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 28, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
John Dawson also is on the Greensboro Swarm for the third straight year.
I might have to take a mini-road trip to see if Dawson is as Awesome as ever!
Quote from: MU82 on October 28, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
I might have to take a mini-road trip to see if Dawson is as Awesome as ever!
He is Magical
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 28, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
Deonte Burton has played two games with Oklahoma City. He is on a regular contract.
G League training camp rosters posted. Only MU players were ,as previously noted , Vander and Juan with Santa Cruz. John Dawson also is on the Greensboro Swarm for the third straight year.
Buycks, Jamil and Lazar are not any teams anywhere in the world. Lazar out two years now, so I think the game may be over for him. Surprised that Buycks and Jamil are on the outside looking in. Although sometimes Buycks goes to China later in the season for some reason.
Rowsey had a good rookie season last year in Hungary but is not listed anywhere.
JJJ was draft eligible but no one picked him.
Duane, Katin, Mo Acker, Carlino, Dominic, Luke, DJO, Davante and Luke all playing overseas.
Lazar is actively doing other pursuits outside of playing.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 29, 2019, 12:26:50 PM
Lazar is actively doing other pursuits outside of playing.
Ghostbuster?
Counselling Sam Darnold?
Jimmy with some funny commentary on Herro
https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/southwest/sports/2019/10/18/tyler-herro-carter-williams-get-technical-fouls-nba-preseason-game/4019371002/
O, ya meen da Cat hoo scored 29pts vs Hawks tonite, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
O, ya meen da Cat hoo scored 29pts vs Hawks tonite, hey?
Correct spelling noted.
https://twitter.com/5ReasonsSports/status/1189539366596726785
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 30, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
https://twitter.com/5ReasonsSports/status/1189539366596726785
Or Milwaukee or Chicago. For a Texas kid Jimmys had some cold weather the past 10yrs
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 30, 2019, 09:46:29 AM
Or Milwaukee or Chicago. For a Texas kid Jimmys had some cold weather the past 10yrs
Jamil opted out of doing G League and went to Russia instead. Hope he does well there and gets a shot later in the season at the NBA.
https://www.eurobasket.com/Eurocup/news/600467/Jamil-Wilson-is-a-newcomer-at-Unics
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 31, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
Jamil opted out of doing G League and went to Russia instead. Hope he does well there and gets a shot later in the season at the NBA.
https://www.eurobasket.com/Eurocup/news/600467/Jamil-Wilson-is-a-newcomer-at-Unics
in soviet Russia basketball plays you
Jimmy with 5 points, 9 Reb, 11 assists, 6 steals, 3 blocks, +21.
"Nunn was impressed by Butler's play, especially the assists.
"That's huge, for your star player to be unselfish like that," Nunn said.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 31, 2019, 10:41:02 PM
in soviet Russia basketball plays you
This comment made me GLOW with delight.
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2019, 08:32:39 AM
This comment made me GLOW with delight.
Does this mean Jamil is a Soviet asset?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 01, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Does this mean Jamil is a Soviet asset?
I'll pass on this.
Only if der short on STDs, aina?
Buycks heading back to China for now. Although, He may come back for G League later.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4UsPAHILAA/?igshid=1hqdozqhaegoc
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/dwight-buycks-heads-to-china/
Glad to Dwight making some coin.
Jae Crowder takes nut shot from James Harden, gets ejected.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/11/05/jae-crowder-gets-hit-in-groin-by-james-harden-called-for-foul-ejected-video/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjExuLH99blAhUhFTQIHb1FBbUQyM8BCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw359_Eg9crtzvyxgJHLVu7v&cf=1
Quote from: warriorchick on November 06, 2019, 07:23:35 PM
Jae Crowder takes nut shot from James Harden, gets ejected.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/11/05/jae-crowder-gets-hit-in-groin-by-james-harden-called-for-foul-ejected-video/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjExuLH99blAhUhFTQIHb1FBbUQyM8BCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw359_Eg9crtzvyxgJHLVu7v&cf=1
Hard to believe the ref had the balls to make a call like that.
NBA refs are feeling threatened that the MLB Umpires and NFL refs were outshining them with incompetency so they had to fight back
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 07:48:42 PM
Hard to believe the ref had the balls to make a call like that.
Jae left one on the floor for the team. McNutpuncher tried to claim foul last year too when he gave Joey the Wisconsin Handshake.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 06, 2019, 07:23:35 PM
Jae Crowder takes nut shot from James Harden, gets ejected.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/11/05/jae-crowder-gets-hit-in-groin-by-james-harden-called-for-foul-ejected-video/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjExuLH99blAhUhFTQIHb1FBbUQyM8BCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw359_Eg9crtzvyxgJHLVu7v&cf=1
The nerve of Jae to use his nuts to foul Harden's arm.
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2019, 09:43:56 PM
The nerve of Jae to use his nuts to foul Harden's arm.
Now that is well done.
Austin Rivers calls for his dad to get T'd up. Doc ends up getting ejected.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hQk-hZI1T30
Then this happens:
https://twitter.com/AustinRivers25/status/1194824359292080128
Hilarious
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2019, 09:43:56 PM
The nerve of Jae to use his nuts to foul Harden's arm.
learned that move from slugger davison
Sad news for Vander. Waived by the G League Santa Cruz Warriors . Not sure what the future holds for him. Hopefully he can get another G League spot. Was not able to make it work in Europe previously. All the good spots overseas are taken at this point.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/vander-blue-let-go-by-g-league-warriors/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 13, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
Sad news for Vander. Waived by the G League Santa Cruz Warriors . Not sure what the future holds for him. Hopefully he can get another G League spot. Was not able to make it work in Europe previously. All the good spots overseas are taken at this point.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/vander-blue-let-go-by-g-league-warriors/
Didn't he win POY like twice?
He's just over 200 points away from being the all-time leading G League scorer. I guess he's the G League Crash Davis.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2019, 06:24:07 PM
He's just over 200 points away from being the all-time leading G League scorer. I guess he's the G League Crash Davis.
Vander might be able to hook on with the Asheville Tourists to set the record.
2 great MU alums.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 13, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
Sad news for Vander. Waived by the G League Santa Cruz Warriors . Not sure what the future holds for him. Hopefully he can get another G League spot. Was not able to make it work in Europe previously. All the good spots overseas are taken at this point.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/vander-blue-let-go-by-g-league-warriors/
He won a club cup and was the Cup MVP with Torino. I don't think performance was an issue. Not sure what the fit issue is, maybe homesick? He's still in his prime and could have 5-6 good years if he could be set up and adjust right. Otherwise he's gonna fall out of favor with G League teams wanting the slots to develop young talent
Quote from: JWags85 on December 13, 2019, 10:33:40 PM
He won a club cup and was the Cup MVP with Torino. I don't think performance was an issue. Not sure what the fit issue is, maybe homesick? He's still in his prime and could have 5-6 good years if he could be set up and adjust right. Otherwise he's gonna fall out of favor with G League teams wanting the slots to develop young talent
After Vander won the Cup MVP he went into a major slump shooting something like 12 percent from the field . Since then he simply has been less effective . I agree he is in his prime, but the problem is Vander needs a venue to play in.
We saw this happen with Lazar where he has not played for a couple of years and according to him it's not for lack of trying.
Hoping Vander gets a deal somewhere.
Rowsey to the G League. Lakeland Magic.
Fantastic news for Andrew.
Now we need to find Lazar one last home.
Wes givin' Bron all hee kan handle, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2019, 07:14:49 PM
Wes givin' Bron all hee kan handle, aina?
Wes earned that starting spot with play like this.
"According Second Spectrum, among 300 players who've defended at least 100 FG, Matthews entered today holding opponents to an NBA-best 33.5% FG pct when he's the closest defender."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM66DAXYAATeJk?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: Mutaman on December 19, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
"According Second Spectrum, among 300 players who've defended at least 100 FG, Matthews entered today holding opponents to an NBA-best 33.5% FG pct when he's the closest defender."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM66DAXYAATeJk?format=jpg&name=small)
Even more impressive at age 33 that he is still a fantastic defensive stopper.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 20, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
Even more impressive at age 33 that he is still a fantastic defensive stopper.
Yeah, and he's near-perfect replacement for Brogdon. The Bucks are such a ridiculously well-run organization.
Quote from: Skip Intro on December 20, 2019, 08:46:32 AM
Yeah, and he's near-perfect replacement for Brogdon. The Bucks are such a ridiculously well-run organization.
Totally agree, except for paying Middleton a top 10 salary for a fringe All Star player. I know it was to keep Giannis happy but Middleton has been underwhelming and arguably not even the 2nd best player in the team
Quote from: JWags85 on December 20, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
Totally agree, except for paying Middleton a top 10 salary for a fringe All Star player. I know it was to keep Giannis happy but Middleton has been underwhelming and arguably not even the 2nd best player in the team
I think Middleton is probably the 2nd best player but he's not the 2nd most important to the Bucks. Bledsoe would earn that distinction, for me.
I also believe that paying Middleton was necessary. You mentioned it kept Giannis happy which is the main reason, but players his quality are getting max contracts. I'm not sure where that money goes if not to Middleton. They could have allocated more money to depth but they got Bledsoe for a pretty reasonable contract and filled out the rest of the roster nicely with what they had left. Overall the front office has done a good job.
I'd rather have a player like KM who wants to be here than trading for a slightly better player who may leave after a year or two.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 20, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
Even more impressive at age 33 that he is still a fantastic defensive stopper.
Defender would suffice but alright.
The money Middleton gets is just fine when compared to the money a lot of good but not great players are getting. Some people complain that the Bucks should've given Brogdon the money Middleton got and let Middleton walk. I have it on fairly good authority that the Bucks offered Brogdon as much money as they could've, even knowing Middleton would be back and what they were paying him (so were willing to go very far into the luxury tax), but Brogdon wanted out. He wanted to be on the ball and wasn't going to be there in Milwaukee. He was also very outspoken about how Milwaukee is the most segregated city he's ever been in, etc. The proof seems to be in the pudding given that they could've forced Brogdon's hand and kept him no matter where he wanted to be (restricted free agent) but worked out a sign and trade instead. Seems to suggest Brogdon indeed wanted out.
For my money, even with how awful he's been offensively, especially shooting from distance, Brook has been the Bucks' 2nd most important player. His defense is incredible, especially in the pick and roll. He can guard two players at once just by using his sheer size until the guard defender in the pick and roll is able to recover to the ball handler. Giannis might win DPOY, but in my opinion Brook is the most important defensive player on the team. Giannis is a great defender, and Wes, Divencenzo, and Bledsoe all defend very well. Middleton reminds me of college Jerel, where their defense seems to have fallen off as their offense has developed.
I only got to watch about a quarter of last night's game, but it was interesting seeing strong, tall, power forwards be the facilitators for both teams.
Quote from: MU82 on December 20, 2019, 03:38:34 PM
I only got to watch about a quarter of last night's game, but it was interesting seeing strong, tall, power forwards be the facilitators for both teams.
Man Anthony Davis was really something.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 20, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
Man Anthony Davis was really something.
Yeah he actually landed on his feet a whole like 3 times when he was shooting the ball!
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 20, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
Man Anthony Davis was really something.
Probably shouldn't have called Giannis a PF, either. Positionsnomatta. The point was two big strong guys being each team's main ballhandler/facilitator. And you of course knew that's what I meant, too, Sultan.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 20, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
Totally agree, except for paying Middleton a top 10 salary for a fringe All Star player. I know it was to keep Giannis happy but Middleton has been underwhelming and arguably not even the 2nd best player in the team
Middleton has been better then last season when you look at his numbers on a per 36 minute basis. His overall numbers are down because he has played fewer minutes because of blowouts and load management by Bud.
As of Dec 12
2018-19 per 36 (77 games): 21.2 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.1 blocks, 2.7 3P/G, 7.1 3pA/G, 44.1 FG%, 37.8 3FG%, 48.5 2FG%, 83.7 FT%.
2019-20 per 36 (through 18 games): 23.4 points, 7.5 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 0.1 blocks, 2.7 3P/G, 6.8 3PA/G, 49.0 FG%, 39.4 3FG%, 54.9 2FG%, 89.6 FT%.
Quote from: MuMark on December 20, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
Middleton has been better then last season when you look at his numbers on a per 36 minute basis. His overall numbers are down because he has played fewer minutes because of blowouts and load management by Bud.
As of Dec 12
2018-19 per 36 (77 games): 21.2 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.1 blocks, 2.7 3P/G, 7.1 3pA/G, 44.1 FG%, 37.8 3FG%, 48.5 2FG%, 83.7 FT%.
2019-20 per 36 (through 18 games): 23.4 points, 7.5 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 0.1 blocks, 2.7 3P/G, 6.8 3PA/G, 49.0 FG%, 39.4 3FG%, 54.9 2FG%, 89.6 FT%.
Middleton has unfairly entered the "Suppan Zone" where Wisconsin sports fans view a player who gets paid big with great skepticism
Middleton's contract just shows how much super stars are underpaid.
Henry has been waived by the nets today
Woof. Is that the end of the nba road for Henry?
Speaking of Henry, where is his Wisco counterpart, Diamond Stone, at these days?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 03, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
Woof. Is that the end of the nba road for Henry?
Needs to go to China, Europe, or Australia/NZ ASAP and make as much $ as he can before the window closes for good. Do not stop in the G league, do not collect $200.
https://mobile.twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1215085457203064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-7224522241949431242.ampproject.net%2F1912180046560%2Fframe.html
What a nut.
Quote from: manesworld on January 08, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1215085457203064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-7224522241949431242.ampproject.net%2F1912180046560%2Fframe.html
What a nut.
I love Butler's energy. It's much needed at MU right now.
Love Butlers competitive fire.
Rowsey doing well in G League. Some highlights in his profile
https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629880/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 11:18:26 PM
Rowsey doing well in G League. Some highlights in his profile
https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629880/
What about Diamond Stone?
That has nothing to do with "competitive fire." He got fouled. Move on.
Head case.
Quote from: manesworld on January 08, 2020, 11:26:49 PM
That has nothing to do with "competitive fire." He got fouled. Move on.
Head case.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/pKhxd3mz6xxv2/giphy.gif)
Quote from: manesworld on January 08, 2020, 11:26:49 PM
That has nothing to do with "competitive fire." He got fouled. Move on.
Head case.
No he's not.
Butler was maybe my favorite Marquette player ever. But hoo boy is he hard to root for in the NBA. Where he goes, drama and malcontent will follow. Easily my least favorite former Marquette NBA player.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 08:29:42 AM
Butler was maybe my favorite Marquette player ever. But hoo boy is he hard to root for in the NBA. Where he goes, drama and malcontent will follow. Easily my least favorite former Marquette NBA player.
??? What "drama and malcontent" is he creating in Miami? He was flat out right about the problems in Minnesota, and was just fine for the Sixers - he was offered max contract and turned it down for a sign and trade.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2020, 09:11:06 AM
??? What "drama and malcontent" is he creating in Miami? He was flat out right about the problems in Minnesota, and was just fine for the Sixers - he was offered max contract and turned it down for a sign and trade.
His Sixers teammates loved him, and his current teammates in Miami love him as well. The Wolves (a team he never asked to be on) were and are a horrifically constructed team that was infinitely better with him on it than off. They stupidly chose to try to make it work with Wiggins & Towns than build around Jimmy. Same with Chicago. Both of those teams now royally suck ass while Miami is a legit contender since the second he walked through the door.
He wears his heart on his sleeve, plays with an edge & sense of urgency, and does not give one flying eff about manufacturing a bland public image for marketing purposes. Refreshing! I love it
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 09, 2020, 09:25:07 AM
His Sixers teammates loved him, and his current teammates in Miami love him as well. The Wolves (a team he never asked to be on) were and are a horrifically constructed team that was infinitely better with him on it than off. They stupidly chose to try to make it work with Wiggins & Towns than build around Jimmy. Same with Chicago. Both of those teams now royally suck ass while Miami is a legit contender since the second he walked through the door.
He wears his heart on his sleeve, plays with an edge & sense of urgency, and does not give one flying eff about manufacturing a bland public image for marketing purposes. Refreshing! I love it
Yeah, he never asked to be on the Timberwolves...but he trashed his coaches and then trashed his teammates in Chicago which resulted in him winding up in Minnesota, where he trashed his teammates and demanded a trade.
What's ironic is that his "playing with an edge and sense of urgency" is, well, even less than what TJ Warren did to "spark" this whole thing last night. The dude was trying to chase down a ball handler coming around a screen and happened to get his arm tangled a little bit. Happens multiple times in every basketball game at every level beyond middle school. Butler acted as if the guy had undercut him from behind on a run out dunk or stepped under his feet intentionally on a jump shot. He got fouled and his fists were immediately balled up and he's blowing kisses? Very cool Jimmy. Very cool.
It's no surprise he's Mark Wahlberg's best friend.
There is no doubt the Timberwolves, or any team, should build around KAT over Jimmy. Jimmy's a very good player. He'll never be the best player on a title team. KAT probably won't be, but he has a chance to be.
Also, the Heat aren't "legit contenders." They're playing very well in the regular season. Without making a pretty big move, they have 0 chance of getting to the Finals without injuries to star players on the Bucks, 76ers, and C's.
Lol. You can build around KAT and lose a lot of games. I'll build around Jimmy and beat your a$$ repeatedly.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
Lol. You can build around KAT and lose a lot of games. I'll build around Jimmy and beat your a$$ repeatedly.
KAT is better in every facet of the game other than ball handling and guarding on the perimeter. Jimmy is so much better that he really turned the Timberwolves into a great team when he joined them.
Err...
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2020, 09:11:06 AM
??? What "drama and malcontent" is he creating in Miami? He was flat out right about the problems in Minnesota, and was just fine for the Sixers - he was offered max contract and turned it down for a sign and trade.
The Heat players, staff, and front office love Jimmy. He fits in well into their culture. They keep Udonis Haslem on the team for that same intensity, attitude and desire, even though he can't really play anymore.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
Lol. You can build around KAT and lose a lot of games. I'll build around Jimmy and beat your a$$ repeatedly.
Jimmy's so good at beating everyone's ass repeatedly that he joined a team that went to the ECF the year before he got into the league and the furthest they ever went with him was the second round. He's so good at beating everyone's ass that, even with an extra 5 years in the league, he's never been beyond the second round of the Playoffs.
I also love that he was yelling, "This is my city!" Lol. You've been there for 4 months. You will never even be the most popular athlete from your alma mater in that city. Get a clue.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
I also love that he was yelling, "This is my city!" Lol. You've been there for 4 months. You will never even be the most popular athlete from your alma mater in that city. Get a clue.
Was thinking that. Hilarious.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
KAT is better in every facet of the game other than ball handling and guarding on the perimeter. Jimmy is so much better that he really turned the Timberwolves into a great team when he joined them.
Err...
Lol. No he's not a better player than Jimmy.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
KAT is better in every facet of the game other than ball handling and guarding on the perimeter. Jimmy is so much better that he really turned the Timberwolves into a great team when he joined them.
Err...
KAT is soft serve vanilla that might put up some big #s on losing teams like Kevin Love. #3 option on a winner at best. #1 option on a doormat.
As the story goes....
When Butler was in Minnesota, he took the guys at the end of the bench against Kat's A team of starters and whooped their azzes. KAT is just an evolved, glorified Charlie Villaneuva, stat stuffing, non Alpha. It doesn't surprise me that a Wojo supporter would go to battle for KAT though. Image is everything these days, isn't it?
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Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 11:19:01 AM
As the story goes....
When Butler was in Minnesota, he took the guys at the end of the bench against Kat's A team of starters and whooped their azzes. KAT is just an evolved, glorified Charlie Villaneuva, stat stuffing, non Alpha. It doesn't surprise me that a Wojo supporter would go to battle for KAT though. Image is everything these days, isn't it?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26u4cS5vSnWyepw6Q/giphy.gif)
Lol what? KAT is Charlie Villanueva?
KAT is awesome but agreed that a team led by Jimmy will win more than a team led by KAT. Awful defender, pretty soft player. Highly skilled, though.
And the Wolves best year did come with Jimmy.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 11:19:01 AM
As the story goes....
When Butler was in Minnesota, he took the guys at the end of the bench against Kat's A team of starters and whooped their azzes. KAT is just an evolved, glorified Charlie Villaneuva, stat stuffing, non Alpha. It doesn't surprise me that a Wojo supporter would go to battle for KAT though. Image is everything these days, isn't it?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26u4cS5vSnWyepw6Q/giphy.gif)
love this take!
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Big article in The Athletic about
dissension on Rivers' Clippers.
Harrell complained publicly that Doc was giving George and Leonard preferential treatment.
Of course, dating back to Mikan (and probably earlier), stars have gotten special treatment forever.
Is it just me, or is Doc a little overrated as a NBA coach?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 23, 2020, 03:58:14 PM
Is it just me, or is Doc a little overrated as a NBA coach?
Don't think he is overrated.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 23, 2020, 03:58:14 PM
Is it just me, or is Doc a little overrated as a NBA coach?
It is you.
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on January 23, 2020, 04:09:49 PM
Don't think he is overrated.
Agreed. I think he's pretty properly rated. Not the best coach in the NBA, but one of the better ones.
Quote from: manesworld on January 24, 2020, 08:16:00 AM
Agreed. I think he's pretty properly rated. Not the best coach in the NBA, but one of the better ones.
Agreed. People get caught up in his failures as a front office figure in addition to his coaching responsibilities. He's still a really good coach.
Harrell is in a weird position, and I can understand the difficulty for Doc to manage that. Harrell was unheralded end of the bench guy, worked hard and grew, especially once Doc went out and got him and coached him in LA. He was positioned to be a potential star for the Clips...then PG and Kawhi happened. On one hand, its 2 of the top 10 players in the game, come on. On the other, I see where he is coming from.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 23, 2020, 03:58:14 PM
Is it just me, or is Doc a little overrated as a NBA coach?
Well, his Chris Paul team underachieved due to rifts between team members.
Now there's talk about how teammates are grumbling about preferential treatment for George and Leonard.
He's a good coach but can he deal with the personalities like Phil Jackson can to get the team to the next level? - There are a lot of question marks there.
A professional sports team that has players butting heads? NO WAY!
He handled KG, Ramon Rondo, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen just find.
Quote from: manesworld on January 24, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
A professional sports team that has players butting heads? NO WAY!
He handled KG, Ramon Rondo, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen just find.
They never had issues though....
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 24, 2020, 06:30:29 PM
They never had issues though....
Again, you're telling me there's some tension in a profession sports team's locker room? That's just unfathomable.
I'll take a ring and some big egos not always being best friends over a bunch of guys adding lottery picks to their roster and singing Kumbaya together.
Great quote from Doc Rivers at bottom of this story..
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28556962/heat-jimmy-butler-not-being-voted-all-star-starter-joke-erik-spoelstra-says
Quote from: manesworld on January 24, 2020, 06:33:18 PM
Again, you're telling me there's some tension in a profession sports team's locker room? That's just unfathomable.
I'll take a ring and some big egos not always being best friends over a bunch of guys adding lottery picks to their roster and singing Kumbaya together.
Yeah, well like I said..... there was tension in the Clippers lockerroom with Paul/Griffin etc. That team imploded.
Henry Ellenson picked up by the 905 Raptors. Has done well in the two games he played with them so far. Hopefully, he can find his way back to the League.
https://raptors905.gleague.nba.com/news/raptors-905-acquire-forward-henry-ellenson/
Rowsey doing incredibly well in G League. Shooting 49 percent from 3
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/andrew-rowsey-drops-38-on-canton/
DJO and Jae Crowder both posted about kobe today
Jimmy seemed to be beyotching out Herro about something or other in tonight's Heat-Celtics game.
Jae got tossed tonight. Bit of controversy.
Marcus Morris than called Jae a woman in his post game while being interviewed by a woman.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Jae got tossed tonight. Bit of controversy.
Marcus Morris than called Jae a woman in his post game while being interviewed by a woman.
Apparently me chucked a 3 in the waning seconds with a double digit lead and it didn't sit well with the homies
[/https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28596473/knicks-elfrid-payton-knocks-grizzlies-jae-crowder-seats-late-3-point-attempt
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Jae got tossed tonight. Bit of controversy.
Marcus Morris than called Jae a woman in his post game while being interviewed by a woman.
Ya kant sey dat chit no moore, hey?
Was a punk move by the Knicks player to shove out of bounds like that Jae. Was lucky he was not injured.
WFAN has been playing an audio clip this morning and the radio play-by-play man said "You don't wan to mess with him." referring to Jae Crowder of course.
I'm in no way defending the shove, but only seeing the replay, it does seem like a bit of a punk move on Jae's part to not only go for the steal at that point, but to also immediately put up a 3. However, I'm sure it was in response to some trash talk throughout the game, especially knowing the history between Morris and Jae
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Jae got tossed tonight. Bit of controversy.
Marcus Morris than called Jae a woman in his post game while being interviewed by a woman.
Jae curb-stomped Morris on Twitter after that.
https://twitter.com/CJC9BOSS/status/1222743645264207872
Here is another recent Jae related imbroglio...
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/01/18/tristan-thompson-slaps-jae-crowders-rear-end-gets-ejected-video/
Latest Yahoo! Sports mock draft has Markus getting picked in the first round by the Nets, which would be a nice landing spot for him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-2020-nba-mock-draft-20-its-still-a-threeman-race-at-the-top-165551308.html
Quote from: Pakuni on February 04, 2020, 11:19:17 AM
Latest Yahoo! Sports mock draft has Markus getting picked in the first round by the Nets, which would be a nice landing spot for him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-2020-nba-mock-draft-20-its-still-a-threeman-race-at-the-top-165551308.html
They actually have him as the 25th pick of the
second round, which is probably about right.
And man, woulda been nice to have Nico this year.
Quote from: Skip Intro on February 04, 2020, 11:24:09 AM
They actually have him as the 25th pick of the second round, which is probably about right.
And man, woulda been nice to have Nico this year.
Oof ... my bad.
Still a nice landing spot, though.
Jimmy Butler heads back to Miami to have an MRI on a shoulder injury.
A healthy Jae Crowder held out of the Memphis game last night. Which could mean he may be moved before today's trading deadline.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on February 06, 2020, 10:05:44 AM
Jimmy Butler heads back to Miami to have an MRI on a shoulder injury.
A healthy Jae Crowder held out of the Memphis game last night. Which could mean he may be moved before today's trading deadline.
Crowder to Knicks would be kind of funny
Just now announced Jae is off to Miami. This could be real interesting with those two together.
Awesome! While I'd rather have MU players on different teams for the pub, I have the feeling that 1+ 1 = 3 in Miami for MU brand (and then add in DWade)
Can't wait to watch jimmy and jae together
So obviously Jae was inducted into the MU hall of fame on Saturday. Has Jimmy been inducted yet?
Quote from: swoopem on February 06, 2020, 11:15:55 AM
So obviously Jae was inducted into the MU hall of fame on Saturday. Has Jimmy been inducted yet?
Jimmy was good but not sure he's worthy. 2x BE honorable mention isn't exactly HoF worthy to me.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 06, 2020, 11:09:35 AM
Can't wait to watch jimmy and jae together
Maybe they will draft Markus as well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 06, 2020, 11:09:35 AM
Can't wait to watch jimmy and jae together
Can they convince the heat to sign DJO Vander and Buycks?
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 06, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
Maybe they will draft Markus as well.
Tyler Herro's success guarantees Sam Hauser as their 1st round pick in 2021. #MarquetteSouthSorta
Wait until the trade deadline is over to celebrate. Still deals to be made.
Jae's going to finish his NBA career having played for every team.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 06, 2020, 11:57:43 AM
Wait until the trade deadline is over to celebrate. Still deals to be made.
This. Isn't he headed to OKC for Gallinari?
Quote from: MUDPT on February 06, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
This. Isn't he headed to OKC for Gallinari?
That's what Woj was saying this AM, but had an update 2 hours ago
This morning> Miami and reps for OKC's Danilo Gallinari were working on a contract extension overnight to help finalize three-team trade, league sources tell ESPN. The challenge: Miami's desire to preserve cap space for 2021. He can become a free agent this summer. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225404940161617920?s=21
2 hours ago > If Miami and Oklahoma City could reach a deal on Gallinari, there's still time to make this a three-team trade -- but those talks are fully stalled, league sources tell ESPN. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225468029934370819
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 06, 2020, 01:31:16 PM
That's what Woj was saying this AM, but had an update 2 hours ago
This morning
> Miami and reps for OKC's Danilo Gallinari were working on a contract extension overnight to help finalize three-team trade, league sources tell ESPN. The challenge: Miami's desire to preserve cap space for 2021. He can become a free agent this summer. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225404940161617920?s=21
2 hours ago
> If Miami and Oklahoma City could reach a deal on Gallinari, there's still time to make this a three-team trade -- but those talks are fully stalled, league sources tell ESPN. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225468029934370819
Thanks. Also read the warriors have 6 open roster spots. Hello Juan Anderson?
Good call on the Warriors giving Juan Anderson a spot
https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21 (https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21)
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on February 06, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
Good call on the Warriors giving Juan Anderson a spot
https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21 (https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21)
What a long, weird journey from the Juan Anderson mix tape to making NBA.
Gotta bee honest heer. Didant tink Juan had it in 'em. Congrats ta Anderson and neva stop improvin', hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 06, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
Gotta bee honest heer. Didant tink Juan had it in 'em. Congrats ta Anderson and neva stop improvin', hey?
Same. Add him to the list of MU players that I wish peaked earlier
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 06, 2020, 07:23:37 PM
What a long, weird journey from the Juan Anderson mix tape to making NBA.
One of the all-time great...mixtapes.
Does Marial Shayok belong in this thread? Got some run tonight.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
Jimmy was good but not sure he's worthy. 2x BE honorable mention isn't exactly HoF worthy to me.
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Why?
Congrats to Juan. I would have lost my house on that bet, but hat's off to him.
Quote from: Goose on February 07, 2020, 06:28:03 AM
Congrats to Juan. I would have lost my house on that bet, but hat's off to him.
Tom Copa 2.......Wow......Congrats......
Quote from: Goose on February 07, 2020, 06:28:03 AM
Congrats to Juan. I would have lost my house on that bet, but hat's off to him.
No kidding, what a weird trajectory Juan has had, but congrats to him. I guess he grew into his mixed tape. Who would have thought than Juan could possible end up with more time in the NBA than Jerel?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
1. How do you know Jae NEVER will?
2. So no HOF or retired number for Dwayne Wade.
Hypothetical.....a player goes three years, helps us win a NC, gets NPOY. He gets offered a kabillion dolla offer to go pro. He's probably HOF and banner worthy (duh). Would you deny him those accolades for doing the right thing?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Why? It's the Athletics HoF not a HoF of graduates.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on February 06, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
Good call on the Warriors giving Juan Anderson a spot
https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21 (https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1225585567405989888?s=21)
He really looked good for them in the pre-season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Dribble.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Agreed, and I would go further. We should only recruit Marquette graduates from now on.
Maybe Andrew Rowsey will be MU's next NBA'er after Juan. In his last 11 games with the Lakeland Magic of the G League, Rowsey is averaging 26.3 points, including games of 38 and 43 points. He is shooting 51 percent from three during that stretch (46-for-90).
Congrats Juan You earned it.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Jimmy graduated. Jae never will. HOF and retired numbers should be reserved for graduates.
Tool.
Juan has been playing under the name Juan Toscano.
Juan's playing in the league and Henry isn't. Interesting twist of fate.
One played defense.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 06, 2020, 11:04:32 AM
Awesome! While I'd rather have MU players on different teams for the pub, I have the feeling that 1+ 1 = 3 in Miami for MU brand (and then add in DWade)
How much publicity for Marquette does a player like jae even generate. I'd say almost zero. Maybe?
Quote from: Johnny B on February 07, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
How much publicity for Marquette does a player like jae even generate. I'd say almost zero. Maybe?
They always talk about how Jae is one of those all out tough Marquette players during games so......
Quote from: Johnny B on February 07, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
How much publicity for Marquette does a player like jae even generate. I'd say almost zero. Maybe?
On a scale of 1 to 10, Jae is a nice 6 for Marquette mentions. DWade 10, JFB 9, Wes 7.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on February 07, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
Juan has been playing under the name Juan Toscano.
I've been seeing him referred to as Juan Toscano-Anderson.
Whatevs ... I'm really happy for the kid.
Toscano is his mother's surname. When he played for the Mexican national team, he adopted the Spanish naming tradition of hyphenating the mother's surname and the father's surname, likely to show his heritage so fellow Mexicans weren't wondering why there was a Norwegian on the Mexican national team.
Juan immediately burries a 3!
Juan Anderson playing in the NBA is just unreal. Talk about being a late bloomer. Guy was a complete bust in college for his ranking. Crazy
Quote from: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 08:07:19 PM
Juan Anderson playing in the NBA is just unreal. Talk about being a late bloomer. Guy was a complete bust in college for his ranking. Crazy
Juan is an effective defensive specialist and that is worth something in the NBA. Very happy him and for MU that he is realizing on his dream.
Quote from: Goose on February 07, 2020, 06:28:03 AM
Congrats to Juan. I would have lost my house on that bet, but hat's off to him.
Yup, me too.
just goes to show, ya never know what's in a man's heart-always good to see a warrior representing the school
Quote from: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 08:07:19 PM
Juan Anderson playing in the NBA is just unreal. Talk about being a late bloomer. Guy was a complete bust in college for his ranking. Crazy
Juan was misused and poorly coached under Buzz. His one year with Wojo was a breakout season. Wes was held back by Crean, broke out under Buzz. Juan was the opposite.
It shows that who a player plays for in college can matter a lot. In some cases, simply a matter of personalities, in others the system.
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Juan was misused and poorly coached under Buzz. His one year with Wojo was a breakout season. Wes was held back by Crean, broke out under Buzz. Juan was the opposite.
It shows that who a player plays for in college can matter a lot. In some cases, simply a matter of personalities, in others the system.
He averaged 8 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists as a senior. He was just a guy.
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
He averaged 8 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists as a senior. He was just a guy.
Yep. His "breakout" is an exaggeration at best. He did shoot better as a senior, but mostly he just played a little more. Actually averaged fewer rebounds, steals, assists and blocks per 40 minutes as a senior than he did as a sophomore and a junior.
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Juan was misused and poorly coached under Buzz. His one year with Wojo was a breakout season. Wes was held back by Crean, broke out under Buzz. Juan was the opposite.
It shows that who a player plays for in college can matter a lot. In some cases, simply a matter of personalities, in others the system.
I suspect the increase to 68% of minutes played as a senior under Wojo, versus 31% under Buzz, may have been responsible for the "breakout." Also, guys should generally improve year over year in a college program.
Yet another misguided example of ProJos grasping at straws trying to prop up Wojo against Buzz. Just stop.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 09, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
I suspect the increase to 68% of minutes played as a senior under Wojo, versus 31% under Buzz, may have been responsible for the "breakout." Also, guys should generally improve year over year in a college program.
Yet another misguided example of ProJos grasping at straws trying to prop up Wojo against Buzz. Just stop.
Says the guy who jumps into any conversation ever had here talking only about Bazz and jumps to his defense by bringing Wojo into the conversation, claiming ProJos" are just trying to "prop up" Wojo...despite never having mentioned Wojo. This coming after multiple permabans for doing the exact same thing under previous usernames. Yet here we are, telling other people to stop...
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 10:06:08 AM
Says the guy who jumps into any conversation ever had here talking only about Bazz and jumps to his defense by bringing Wojo into the conversation, claiming ProJos" are just trying to "prop up" Wojo...despite never having mentioned Wojo. This coming after multiple permabans for doing the exact same thing under previous usernames. Yet here we are, telling other people to stop...
Review the thread genius. Take a look who inserted Buzz into this thread: Forgetful - with a forgetful point made.
And just so you know: The lengths at which you've gone to support Wojo, and defend all things under his tenure, FAR exceeds the lengths Cheeks did with Crean, myself/Lenny's Tap, did with Buzz. At least our guys had legitimate achievements in their first 5 years on the job.
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
He averaged 8 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists as a senior. He was just a guy.
I didn't say he was a star, but he did make a significant jump. It was his "breakout" year.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 09, 2020, 10:12:18 AM
Review the thread genius. Take a look who inserted Buzz into this thread: Forgetful - with a forgetful point made.
And just so you know: The lengths at which you've gone to support Wojo, and defend all things under his tenure, FAR exceeds the lengths Cheeks did with Crean, myself/Lenny's Tap, did with Buzz. At least our guys had legitimate achievements in their first 5 years on the job.
Yeah. And the irony of you coming here whining about somebody turning a thread into a Wojo vs. Bazz thread is incredibly rich, given you've been banned multiple times for doing just that and just did it in the Juan Anderson thread. So congrats on someone else doing it for once! Your crying about it is hysterical.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 09, 2020, 10:12:18 AM
Review the thread genius. Take a look who inserted Buzz into this thread: Forgetful - with a forgetful point made.
And just so you know: The lengths at which you've gone to support Wojo, and defend all things under his tenure, FAR exceeds the lengths Cheeks did with Crean, myself/Lenny's Tap, did with Buzz. At least our guys had legitimate achievements in their first 5 years on the job.
Actually I made a statement on how in some/many cases, the development of the player has a lot to do with being a good match in terms of personality and style (of system). It was neither an admonishment of Buzz, nor a celebration of Wojo, rather simply stating something that should be a widely accepted fact.
You turned it into a projo vs. nojo argument. That was never my intention, nor did I think it would go there. What you have shown is that one cannot simply make an observation without sending you on tilt.
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2020, 10:21:26 AM
I didn't say he was a star, but he did make a significant jump. It was his "breakout" year.
Ehh, I agree that he was just a guy at best, one who played a lot more because the team was so poor. But that just makes him reaching the NBA all the more remarkable. Will have more points than DJO and Jerel combined most likely.
Count me among those stunned that Juan has played even one second of NBA hoops. Good for him!
Who is the guy on this year's roster not named Markus Howard who is most likely to get time in the Association? It's probably Bailey but his age does hurt, so I'll say Sacar if he can continue to improve his 3 and become a poor man's Wes.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 09, 2020, 10:07:07 PM
Who is the guy on this year's roster not named Markus Howard who is most likely to get time in the Association? It's probably Bailey but his age does hurt, so I'll say Sacar if he can continue to improve his 3 and become a poor man's Wes.
Bailey by a mile.
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Bailey by a mile.
Definitely but with Juan getting time in the NBA...none of the guys should give up the dream. Looking at you, Jamal lol
Also, watched the heat game tonight. Crowder looked great. Double double in his first game with Miami
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 09, 2020, 10:33:23 PM
Definitely but with Juan getting time in the NBA...none of the guys should give up the dream. Looking at you, Jamal lol
Also, watched the heat game tonight. Crowder looked great. Double double in his first game with Miami
Jamal would be my pick for surprise cup of coffee in the NBA. All the physical tools and the shooting skills, I could see his weaknesses being shored up with time.
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Bailey by a mile.
I could see Symir if his shot develops (came to the right place for that). Good size for position and a head for the game that can't be taught.
Too lazy to dig up the WNBA thread, so I'll drop this here:
Ben Steele @BenSteeleMJS
The @ConnecticutSun make it official: Former @MarquetteWBB star Natisha Hiedeman has signed to return with team next season. After signing late last season, she appeared in seven of eight playoff games. #muwbb
It was nice seeing Jae, Jimmy, and Juan on the court together last night when the Heat played the Warriors. What a treat
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 11, 2020, 07:35:34 AM
It was nice seeing Jae, Jimmy, and Juan on the court together last night when the Heat played the Warriors. What a treat
Jimmy, back after missing a couple of games, with 21 pts, 10 reb, 5 ast, 4 stl.
Crowder, in his second game with the Heat, with 21 pts, 8 reb, 3 stl.
Juan, 3 pts (made his only shot), 3 reb, 2 stl, 1 ast in 14 mins for the Warriors.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-jae-crowder-debut-20200209-sbq2l3ajizfrddr5u2uzjrluj4-story.html
Miami recognizing their Marquette South title.
"Obviously, the Marquette guys are my big brothers," said Crowder, in Heat uniform for the first time Sunday night against the Portland Trail Blazers at the Moda Center. "I joked around with Pat [Thursday] on the phone. He said Marquette holds some weight here in Miami culture. So it feels right at home."
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28672481/miami-made-jimmy-butler-gamble-chicago-never-could
The top story on ESPN this morning is about Butler finally finding his fit in Miami Heat team culture. It talks a lot about how after their experience together in Chicago, Dwyane Wade convinced Riley and Spoelstra that Butler was a great fit for their system and culture.
And yet...they fail to mention that Wade and Butler both went to MU and were already connected through that hoops alumni network.
As for me, I got my Bucks-Heat tix yesterday and I cant wait to see Jimmy, Jae, and Wes all on the court together!!
Wholesome postgame interviews from Jimmy and Jae last night
Jimmy post-game - https://streamable.com/f40sb
Jae post-game - https://streamable.com/skqk9
Some great Marquette related quotes in here about last night's game.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-jimmy-butler-jae-crowder-20200211-ti5apbfpobgsnafohqpzdsnep4-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1Vb6nu-m3UMmTKTOM5KZtUGJY0W-shJAmHldiIajMEwSdyZ7eROHtL0u0
Bring DJO Vander and/or Buycks to the heat! Scoop letter writing campaign?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 11, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28672481/miami-made-jimmy-butler-gamble-chicago-never-could
The top story on ESPN this morning is about Butler finally finding his fit in Miami Heat team culture. It talks a lot about how after their experience together in Chicago, Dwyane Wade convinced Riley and Spoelstra that Butler was a great fit for their system and culture.
And yet...they fail to mention that Wade and Butler both went to MU and were already connected through that hoops alumni network.
Amazing article. Shame they didn't mention MU connection, pretty obvious oversight. Hopefully that's all they talk about with Wade commentating on a long Heat playoff run. Meeting the Bucks in the ECF would be great for MU pub
As for me, I got my Bucks-Heat tix yesterday and I cant wait to see Jimmy, Jae, and Wes all on the court together!!
Dwight Buycks has escaped China is. Is playing for Olympiacos in the top level EuroLeague. Good news for Buycks as he may be able to move back to the NBA from there.
https://www.basketinside.com/europe-basketball/mercato-europe-basketball/ufficiale-dwight-buycks-firma-con-lolympiacos/
Fantastic game from Juan in San Fran. 10-6-4 on 5-8 shooting in 24 min. Would love to see him continue to be productive and stick
Quote from: JWags85 on February 21, 2020, 12:09:55 AM
Fantastic game from Juan in San Fran. 10-6-4 on 5-8 shooting in 24 min. Would love to see him continue to be productive and stick
If he keeps busting his ass on D, studies and learns their system and stays somewhat efficient with his opportunities, I think he's got a decent chance to stick next year as an end of bench guy.
I know they are depleted but he is getting more than just spot minutes.
Juan is working very hard and is a effective and disruptive defender. Delighted to see him making the most of his opportunity.
This was just tweeted:
Jae Crowder in 5 games with the HEAT
▫️16.0 PPG
▫️6.2 RPG
▫️2.2 SPG
▫️3.4 3PG
▫️54.8 3P%
▫️28.2 MPG
▫️6.8 net rating
nm
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 23, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
This was just tweeted:
Jae Crowder in 5 games with the HEAT
▫️16.0 PPG
▫️6.2 RPG
▫️2.2 SPG
▫️3.4 3PG
▫️54.8 3P%
▫️28.2 MPG
▫️6.8 net rating
Contract year. Lets hope he keeps up the good work
https://twitter.com/ThompsonScribe/status/1231766054860230661?s=19
Juan is winning some people over in the bay.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 23, 2020, 08:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ThompsonScribe/status/1231766054860230661?s=19
Juan is winning some people over in the bay.
Juan was already popular in the Bay which is the reason he was signed. The Warriors are very connected to the community and to give one of their own a chance was a no-brainer.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
Juan was already popular in the Bay which is the reason he was signed. The Warriors are very connected to the community and to give one of their own a chance was a no-brainer.
Let me rephrase. Juan's performance on the court at the NBA level is winning some people over.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 23, 2020, 08:52:12 PM
Let me rephrase. Juan's performance on the court at the NBA level is winning some people over.
I wasn't disagreeing, sorry. My point was, even at Marquette or when he played in Mexico, Juan had a strong following in the Bay Area checking in on him.
Andrew Rowsey making the most of his G League opportunity. Shooting 50.4% from NBA 3 point and 93.9% from line. Averaging 21.06 per game.
Here is a research report from a few weeks ago:
https://www.newsleader.com/story/sports/2020/01/30/andrew-rowsey-basketball-nba-g-league/4608352002/
Juan played well yesterday
16Pts (6/10fg, 3/5 3pt)
8Reb
3Ast
1Stl
2Blk
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-looks-inspire-young-mexican-nba-fans
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-looks-inspire-young-mexican-nba-fans
Quote from the article: "I didn't have anything close to a good college career," he said. Ouch. He didn't meet expectations, but I hope that is not his overriding feeling about his MU career. Those guys work awful hard for four years, it would be a shame if that is his take-away from those years. It is one short quote from the article and in the context of saying he didn't have any great options coming out in terms of interest, so I suspect and hope that is just an overly broad characterization of his play.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 24, 2020, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from the article: "I didn't have anything close to a good college career," he said. Ouch. He didn't meet expectations, but I hope that is not his overriding feeling about his MU career. Those guys work awful hard for four years, it would be a shame if that is his take-away from those years. It is one short quote from the article and in the context of saying he didn't have any great options coming out in terms of interest, so I suspect and hope that is just an overly broad characterization of his play.
I took it to mean he didn't play well and thus his options were severely limited. I don't think he was saying he didn't enjoy his time here or that it was a negative experience.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 24, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
I took it to mean he didn't play well and thus his options were severely limited. I don't think he was saying he didn't enjoy his time here or that it was a negative experience.
I suspect you are right, Dr. Rosenrosen.
Quote from: genious expert on February 24, 2020, 08:27:17 AM
Juan played well yesterday
16Pts (6/10fg, 3/5 3pt)
8Reb
3Ast
1Stl
2Blk
Inpressive. How many times did he score 16 or more in an MU uniform?
Quote from: Afroman on February 24, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
Inpressive. How many times did he score 16 or more in an MU uniform?
4 times. All in his Senior season.
16pts vs UT-Martin
23pts vs Omaha (Want to barf just thinking about that game)
20pts vs NJIT
18pts vs Providence
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/juan-anderson-1/gamelog/
Juan got his first start tonight. Didn't play all that well, but still got 30 min of run. Just incredible continued development for him. Awesome to see
Quote from: JWags85 on March 01, 2020, 12:28:46 AM
Juan got his first start tonight. Didn't play all that well, but still got 30 min of run. Just incredible continued development for him. Awesome to see
His team won so that's a positive also.
Andrew Rowsey had a great year in the G League , incredible 48 percent 3 Point shooting percentage 94 percent from line and 19.3 points a game. Would be great if he could earn a training camp invite somewhere.
https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2020/4/3/21207350/lets-appreciate-some-g-leaguers-edition-3-adams-caver-brown-rowsey
https://youtu.be/DYnJTHDoDl8
I wonder if DJO will get one last shot at the NBA. Here are some highlights from Italy. He has developed a very nice step back jump shot.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B812kiyhUVW/
Bumping for Wes vs Jimmy & Jae
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 30, 2020, 09:13:01 PM
I wonder if DJO will get one last shot at the NBA. Here are some highlights from Italy. He has developed a very nice step back jump shot.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B812kiyhUVW/
6'2 shooting guard. Please list the current successful NBA shooting guards who are 6'2.
Quote from: tower912 on August 29, 2020, 08:07:45 PM
6'2 shooting guard. Please list the current successful NBA shooting guards who are 6'2.
He's also 30 years old.
Quote from: tower912 on August 29, 2020, 08:07:45 PM
6'2 shooting guard. Please list the current successful NBA shooting guards who are 6'2.
Avery Bradley and Donovan Mitchell?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 30, 2020, 06:03:05 PM
Avery Bradley and Donovan Mitchell?
Seth Curry & Dame (CG, but he's in that Markus Howard not just a PG mode) come to mind as well.
There are also a number of rotation SGs at 6'1"-6'2". At this point, I think being on the wrong side of 30 hurts more. He's no one's developmental piece.
Mitchell is a freakish athlete with the wingspan of an almost 7-footer.
Lillard is one of the most talented basketball players in the world (and is a shoot-first PGs with incredible handles).
Bradley is officially listed at 6-3, but I guess DJO is closer to him in style than Mitchell or Lillard.
Seth Curry ... all right. He bounced around the league, and the G-League, for awhile before finally making his mark. It no doubt helped that he is the brother of a superstar. He got a couple of breaks and he took advantage. For some of these guys on the fringe, they need a series of breaks and then must be ready to answer the call when they get it. I root for DJO, but agree with others that his age is yet another factor - along with his height and lack of any PG skills whatsoever - working against him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 30, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
Seth Curry & Dame (CG, but he's in that Markus Howard not just a PG mode) come to mind as well.
There are also a number of rotation SGs at 6'1"-6'2". At this point, I think being on the wrong side of 30 hurts more. He's no one's developmental piece.
Agree - the biggest issue is his age, not his height. If he had his current skill set five years ago, plenty of teams would have been interested.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 31, 2020, 12:07:58 AM
Agree - the biggest issue is his age, not his height. If he had his current skill set five years ago, plenty of teams would have been interested.
Is his skill set really all that different now? What does DJO do better now than he did Five years ago?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2020, 07:10:58 AM
Is his skill set really all that different now? What does DJO do better now than he did Five years ago?
All that different? No. But he has a better handle and is a better passer. Not dramatically better, but incrementally more refined. And since he has always been on the edge between making it and not, incremental refinement is probably all it would've taken a few years back....
Quote from: MU82 on August 30, 2020, 10:36:23 PM
Mitchell is a freakish athlete with the wingspan of an almost 7-footer.
Lillard is one of the most talented basketball players in the world (and is a shoot-first PGs with incredible handles).
Bradley is officially listed at 6-3, but I guess DJO is closer to him in style than Mitchell or Lillard.
Seth Curry ... all right. He bounced around the league, and the G-League, for awhile before finally making his mark. It no doubt helped that he is the brother of a superstar. He got a couple of breaks and he took advantage. For some of these guys on the fringe, they need a series of breaks and then must be ready to answer the call when they get it. I root for DJO, but agree with others that his age is yet another factor - along with his height and lack of any PG skills whatsoever - working against him.
Curry is also an elite shooter which helps give him a role even if undersized.
DJO is a solid shooter but nothing close to what younger Curry can do
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 31, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
All that different? No. But he has a better handle and is a better passer. Not dramatically better, but incrementally more refined. And since he has always been on the edge between making it and not, incremental refinement is probably all it would've taken a few years back....
Based on watching him in the TBT?
Big fan of DJO, but he simply does not have enough skills to overcome his height deficit. Similar to Vander; you have to be elite at something to make it at that height/body type. Throw in DJO's age, and it's a complete non-starter for him.
The advance stats guys who work for NBA offices aren't exactly going to beat down any doors to bring DJO in when he had quite possibly the all time worst cup of coffee per 48 that anyone has ever had as I recall.
I love this
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonjwilde/status/1300397547668865024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1300397547668865024%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1990605start%3D40
Quote from: NickelDimer on August 31, 2020, 11:05:55 AM
I love this
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonjwilde/status/1300397547668865024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1300397547668865024%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1990605start%3D40
This twitterer makes a good point. I thought the reporter did an excellent job of responding to Butler in a way to advance the conversation and not make himself the story. It ended up resulting in a great quote, and a lot of humor. I'm sure that the many other reporters who also took part in this press conference ended up being appreciative.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 31, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
The advance stats guys who work for NBA offices aren't exactly going to beat down any doors to bring DJO in when he had quite possibly the all time worst cup of coffee per 48 that anyone has ever had as I recall.
I was hoping DJO would have gotten another chance during the 2018-19 Season when he had to play for the Iowa Wolves ( had a bad drug test that kept him out of international play). He had a very good stat line that season and was quite effective.
I agree the various factors of size and age work against him in the NBA. However, heart and winning attitude can't be measured and every once in a while a team wants a guy with some of those skills in the mix. Definitely a long shot to return to the league. The silver lining though is DJO is a true star in the European circles so he can actually play on teams where he will get paid ( which is sometimes an issue in Foreign Basketball). The way he plays the game he can probably go for many years collecting a decent paycheck.
Jimmy showed out big time tonight
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 31, 2020, 09:28:43 PM
Jimmy showed out big time tonight
It is just amazing to me how much better he is than Crowder.
Quote from: bilsu on September 01, 2020, 09:15:45 AM
It is just amazing to me how much better he is than Crowder.
I suppose, but he's a completely different player. Jae is a very good role player who will have a well-paying job in the league for a long, long time; Jimmy is an All-Star.
LeBron is way better than Kuzma, but it doesn't mean Kuzma sucks. (Nor did you say Jae sucks.)
I am not surprised that Jimmy ended up the better player in the NBA. Jae always gives max effort, but is an undersized forward who isn't going to create his own shot at this level. Jimmy is the natural size for a G/F and is plenty athletic enough to be a star. Couple that with his effort and there is no doubt as to why he is the alpha player.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 01, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
I am not surprised that Jimmy ended up the better player in the NBA. Jae always gives max effort, but is an undersized forward who isn't going to create his own shot at this level. Jimmy is the natural size for a G/F and is plenty athletic enough to be a star. Couple that with his effort and there is no doubt as to why he is the alpha player.
Agreed. Plus, both of them are better than any players on the Bulls.
The Bulls refusing to see Butler as a star player to build around was one of many, many blunders that John Paxson and Gar Forman made that consistently prevented the organization from reaching its potential as a championship contender. Jimmy is everything you want as an NBA fan: skilled, hard-working, refuses to lose, is vocal about teammates not giving maximum effort and is a winner. Alas, the Bulls found more value in acquiring LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn - major fail. The T'Wolves and Sixers made the same mistake. He fits with Miami like a glove.
Great exposure and attention last night for MU alums. Odd that Wojo was mentioned and that Buzz wasn't, especially since Wojo didn't coach any of the MU guys in the game. Buzz deserved a shout out too.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 01, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
The Bulls refusing to see Butler as a star player to build around was one of many, many blunders that John Paxson and Gar Forman made that consistently prevented the organization from reaching its potential as a championship contender. Jimmy is everything you want as an NBA fan: skilled, hard-working, refuses to lose, is vocal about teammates not giving maximum effort and is a winner. Alas, the Bulls found more value in acquiring LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn - major fail. The T'Wolves and Sixers made the same mistake. He fits with Miami like a glove.
Great exposure and attention last night for MU alums. Odd that Wojo was mentioned and that Buzz wasn't, especially since Wojo didn't coach any of the MU guys in the game. Buzz deserved a shout out too.
Agreed about Buzz and all else. Paxton and Foeman were a mess. I think only the Knicks have been worse the past 5 years. LaVine should be a third option on a good team. The rest are bench quality players.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 01, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
Agreed about Buzz and all else. Paxton and Foeman were a mess. I think only the Knicks have been worse the past 5 years. LaVine should be a third option on a good team. The rest are bench quality players.
I'm sure Buzz called ESPN and TNT to remind them
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 01, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
Great exposure and attention last night for MU alums. Odd that Wojo was mentioned and that Buzz wasn't, especially since Wojo didn't coach any of the MU guys in the game. Buzz deserved a shout out too.
Buzz isn't our coach. Crean recruited Wes and he wasn't mentioned either. The comment was in regards to Wojo using it for recruiting to MU.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2020, 05:30:07 PM
I'm sure Buzz called ESPN and TNT to remind them
Wrong. He wrote a bunch of letters.
Crean sucks
Chico's defending his boy.....right on cue!
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 31, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
Based on watching him in the TBT?
Yes.
In any event, you are missing my bigger point. I agree with those who say he won't make it in the NBA. I just happen to think his age is a bigger issue than his skillset. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on September 01, 2020, 10:51:57 PM
Yes.
In any event, you are missing my bigger point. I agree with those who say he won't make it in the NBA. I just happen to think his age is a bigger issue than his skillset. Nothing more, nothing less.
And I don't think that his skill set is much better than it was five years ago.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 02, 2020, 07:51:39 AM
And I don't think that his skill set is much better than it was five years ago.
Fair enough. We'll just have to disagree.
Either way, we will never know, because we likely will never see him play in the NBA, and I doubt GMs are gonna tell us why.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on September 02, 2020, 09:23:06 AM
Fair enough. We'll just have to disagree.
Haven't you scooped before? This is not an option.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 02, 2020, 09:24:01 AM
Haven't you scooped before? This is not an option.
Yeah, I know.
I should probably make a nasty comment about him or his family...like his momma is a vegan, or something....
wonder if Jimmy thought about the FSU game when he went 4-12 at the FT in that gym and MU lost by 1
Lots of love for Wes' defense on Jimmy last night, including a couple of specific Marquette references. Great to hear that stuff!
Jimmy arm-barring/shoving Wesley after a dead-ball play was a little odd to see. As a Bucks and Marquette fan it was even more gut-wrenching to see Jimmy end the Bucks in both games. Crowder with some deep and huge threes didnt help.
Quote from: MU24 on September 03, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
Jimmy arm-barring/shoving Wesley after a dead-ball play was a little odd to see. As a Bucks and Marquette fan it was even more gut-wrenching to see Jimmy end the Bucks in both games. Crowder with some deep and huge threes didnt help.
Yeah. Though I did notice Jae and Wes seemed rather friendly, you could see Wes calm Jae down when a shoving match was about to break out.
JFB and Wes are going to be fine. All part of the game.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 03, 2020, 02:25:33 PM
JFB and Wes are going to be fine. All part of the game.
Well yeah, I mean Jae and Jimmy got into a brawl when they were on the Celtics and bulls respectively and they're alright. Just seemed interesting seeing how one might view a friend playing on the other team.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 03, 2020, 02:26:55 PM
Well yeah, I mean Jae and Jimmy got into a brawl when they were on the Celtics and bulls respectively and they're alright. Just seemed interesting seeing how one might view a friend playing on the other team.
Wes committed a hard foul on Bam. JFB is the leader of that team, so he gave Wes a little shove as he went to pick up his teammate. They didn't jaw, Wes didn't react. It was a total non issue. They are buddies but teammates come before friends, especially in the playoffs
Jimmy to Jae for the exclamation.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 03, 2020, 02:02:29 PM
Yeah. Though I did notice Jae and Wes seemed rather friendly, you could see Wes calm Jae down when a shoving match was about to break out.
Of course those two didn't play together at Marquette, and there was a whole year in between so it's unlikely Crowder met Wes on a recruiting visit even. Their connection is as fellow alums, but not as teammates. Jimmy played with both Wes and Jae though.
The Miami Crowder-Butlers are a better team then the Milwaukee Mathews.
#14 gots da swag, hey?
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 06, 2020, 10:22:00 AM
The Miami Crowder-Butlers are a better team then the Milwaukee Mathews.
"Team" being the operative word. Part of that lies with the coaching, but Jimmy is also much better at motivating his teammates than Giannis.
I think Jimmy would get into a shoving match with his best friend if he was on the other team. Seems to be how he is wired.
If the Bucks brought this intensity and the offensive movement when Giannis went down to start, I think they'd be in great shape. Unfortunately, they didn't have that at any point in the bubble.
Although, I think people forget the Bucks were not playing well before the shutdown. Although I think Giannis missed some time when his son was born.
Feeling conflicted on who to cheer for?
Enjoyed going to school in Milwaukee and cheered for their teams, but live Jae and Jimmy...don't forget about Wes!!
? So....the Heat? But also Wes!?
Not sure who to cheer for?
Hope Jae can turn his solid performance with The Heat into another long term contract somewhere.
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on September 07, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
Hope Jae can turn his solid performance with The Heat into another long term contract somewhere.
He more than likely sticks with the Heat on a short deal
A nice write-up about Jae, the 3-and-D he's excelling at, and him being an immediate fit in Miami.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/feature-jae-crowder-heat-guy-200912
QuoteAfter primarily matching up with Victor Oladipo and T.J. Warren to a lesser extent in the first round, Crowder then defended Giannis Antetokounmpo and Middleton a ton in the Eastern Conference Semifinals.
Though no easy feat, Crowder held those four guys to just 40-of-96 shooting (41.7 percent) combined and forced them to commit 12 turnovers. Now, that tracking data can be a little finicky at times given the material, but the fact is he made things tough on all of them
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on September 07, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
Hope Jae can turn his solid performance with The Heat into another long term contract somewhere.
He's a top target of the Blazers for the off season.
Some interesting comments from Jae
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-disney-main-sunday-20200913-wcubhpfnsnbnbd4dlldgcqykjq-story.html
What a game.
Jimmy loves the moment.
Jae was huge all game too
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 15, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
What a game.
Jimmy loves the moment.
Jae was huge all game too
Not to mention Bucky's favorite had a near triple double.
Doc might be looking for new work
Maebee heel coach MU. Ring 'em up, hey?
I'm conflicted as well, being a lifelong Celtic fan. Our MU guys were key last night.
Hard to see why some folks wouldn't want to play with Herro.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on September 16, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
I'm conflicted as well, being a lifelong Celtic fan. Our MU guys were key last night.
Hard to see why some folks wouldn't want to play with Herro.
Who needs Herro? We got Joey (for approximately 2 months before checking out, and taking Sam with him).
Thank goodness he left before doing more damage, like losing out on any of our 3 freshmen forwards.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on September 16, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Hard to see why some folks wouldn't want to play with Herro.
Some did not want to play with Hero because they thought he was a ball hog. Some did not want to play with Markus because they thought he was a ball hog. I would check where those groups overlap.
Y kant wee ever recruit playas like Butler, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 16, 2020, 12:41:55 PM
Y kant wee ever recruit playas like Butler, hey?
Dudes with negative wingspan and that can't shoot? We got those dudes. Why can't they work harder?
If I could get good at interviewing candidates for drive my company would thrive. It's hard to measure those intangibles. I should start asking people how often they've swept a gym.
Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Some did not want to play with Hero because they thought he was a ball hog. Some did not want to play with Markus because they thought he was a ball hog. I would check where those groups overlap.
Love this.
Congrats to JFB making 3rd team all-NBA!
Regular season only award, btw, which accounts for why some players that had epic playoff meltdowns are up there.
(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/09/16/30484633-6a6f-439e-9a24-760157b60fcd/resize/670x377/ee154180d7ffbcab45cb7c0fb03b8cd0/all-nba-teams.jpg)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 16, 2020, 12:41:55 PM
Y kant wee ever recruit playas like Butler, hey?
Jimmy give the fans their money's worth with his determined effort every game.
Would love to see Jimmy and Jae close this out tonight.
Kudos to Jimmy and Jae
Quote from: Mutaman on September 27, 2020, 11:01:38 PM
Kudos to Jimmy and Jae
Finals Game 1 on Wednesday at 8pm Central
Yeah, Woj has gotta couple MU dudes in da Finals, aina?
Trying to list all of the MU alumni that have won an NBA Championship. Anyone I missed?
J. Chones (1980)
B. Lee (1980)
M. Lucas (1977)
D. Meminger (1973)
D. Wade (2006, 2012, 2013)
Coaches
J. Boylan (2016)
D. Rivers (2008)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 28, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Trying to list all of the MU alumni that have won an NBA Championship. Anyone I missed?
J. Chones (1980)
B. Lee (1980)
M. Lucas (1977)
D. Meminger (1973)
D. Wade (2006, 2012, 2013)
Coaches
J. Boylan (2016)
D. Rivers (2008)
If you include assistant coaches and former head coaches as alumni, you can mark Tex Winter down for a buttload of them.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 28, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
If you include assistant coaches, you can mark Tex Winter down for a buttload of them.
Tex isn't an alum though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
Yeah, Woj has gotta couple MU dudes in da Finals, aina?
That's why it doesn't count.
Fantastic finals showcase for Jimmy and Jae . Love that the two of them are representing MU so well in the playoffs .
Finals will be tough for sure . Our two guys will play a key role with their hustle , heart and defense .
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
Yeah, Woj has gotta couple MU dudes in da Finals, aina?
4ever
"If they didn't play for AL it doesn't count. Aina."
4ever
"Am I right fellas?"
Meat eaters
"You are absolutely right. Keep sucking the life out of any good MU story"
4 ever
"Will do boys, aina, aina, aina"
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-vs-heat-three-things-to-know-as-los-angeles-miami-face-off-in-2020-nba-finals/
Jimmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimmy shows what it takes to win in the Finals .Head, Heart and Hustle. What a performance for the ages.
Jimmy is a damn legend.
Loved him just chirping LeBron who spent the entire 4th qtr whining.
No sweep! Looking for 45 from LeBron next game. Also looking for AD to want a little revenge.
Quote from: tower912 on October 04, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
No sweep! Looking for 45 from LeBron next game. Also looking for AD to want a little revenge.
Jeez Tower, Jimmy just put a short handed 5 seed team on his back and turned in a performance for the ages and this is all you've got? Why do you hate Marquette?
Quote from: tower912 on October 04, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
No sweep! Looking for 45 from LeBron next game. Also looking for AD to want a little revenge.
Take the Lakers in game 5 for sure.
Who should we take in game 4?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2020, 09:45:05 PM
Jeez Tower, Jimmy just put a short handed 5 seed team on his back and turned in a performance for the ages and this is all you've got? Why do you hate Marquette?
Datz right Lenny. I'm with you!
Jimmy was awesome. Getting this far is a hell of an achievement.
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpears/status/1312947613491245057
Jimmy always had the heart of a warrior and Buzz taught him this incredible work ethic. Didn't realize he had this much talent.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/how-buzz-williams-lured-nba-finals-starters-jimmy-butler-jae-crowder-from-jucos-to-marquette/
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1312945770866253825?s=20
Wish I could embed
Quote from: Mutaman on October 05, 2020, 12:51:44 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/how-buzz-williams-lured-nba-finals-starters-jimmy-butler-jae-crowder-from-jucos-to-marquette/
Thanks for posting. That was a really fun run under Buzz. Those teams were tough.
Quote from: Mutaman on October 04, 2020, 10:44:45 PM
Jimmy always had the heart of a warrior and Buzz taught him this incredible work ethic. Didn't realize he had this much talent.
Big Jimmy fan. Big Buzz fan.
Methinks Jimmy already had a tremendous work ethic before he even met Buzz.
Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2020, 03:36:38 PM
Methinks Jimmy already had a tremendous work ethic before he even met Buzz.
Methinks Jimmy was shy, tentative and a little in awe when he arrived in Milwaukee. At least one Scooper thought he was a wasted scholarship.
No doubt he had some skills and a solid work ethic. They were further honed at MU under Buzz. That continued after Jimmy left and went on to the NBA.
I'm sure JFB gives Buzz credit (and Buzz deserves it) but the lion's share goes to Jimmy himself. From homeless to here, it's one hell of a story.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
Methinks Jimmy was shy, tentative and a little in awe when he arrived in Milwaukee. At least one Scooper thought he was a wasted scholarship.
No doubt he had some skills and a solid work ethic. They were further honed at MU under Buzz. That continued after Jimmy left and went on to the NBA.
I'm sure JFB gives Buzz credit (and Buzz deserves it) but the lion's share goes to Jimmy himself. From homeless to here, it's one hell of a story.
Agree totally that, like every good coach, Buzz undoubtedly influenced Jimmy.
Also agree that Jimmy deserves most of the credit for what he has become. A great story, indeed. Proud he's a Warrior!
Lenny, if you can, read that Athletic article with everyone talking about Jimmy.
Jimmy gives Buzz a ton of credit, that's for sure.
And Buzz has this great quote:
As his career unfolded, before practice he would run over to me: "Coach, you going to be soft today or you going to be hard?" "Jimmy, I've got it." "Oh, you're saying I got more energy than you today?" "Jimmy, I've got it." "Oh, OK. I was just wondering if you were going to coach me today." He thrives on that. He would hold me accountable to that. "You coach me today. You coach me as hard as you want today, Coach." He said it, and he meant it. He wanted everything to be grueling. He wanted it.
Great stuff.
Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2020, 09:26:13 PM
Lenny, if you can, read that Athletic article with everyone talking about Jimmy.
Jimmy gives Buzz a ton of credit, that's for sure.
And Buzz has this great quote:
As his career unfolded, before practice he would run over to me: "Coach, you going to be soft today or you going to be hard?" "Jimmy, I've got it." "Oh, you're saying I got more energy than you today?" "Jimmy, I've got it." "Oh, OK. I was just wondering if you were going to coach me today." He thrives on that. He would hold me accountable to that. "You coach me today. You coach me as hard as you want today, Coach." He said it, and he meant it. He wanted everything to be grueling. He wanted it.
Great stuff.
Mike
I read the whole series of quotes and according to everyone Jimmy did NOT arrive at Marquette with a great work ethic. He was out of shape and constantly talking about quitting the team because he couldn't hack it. However, coaches (and probably teammates) repeatedly talked him out of quitting and once he turned the corner (learned a work ethic) he became the leader/poster child for hard work. That's what Mutaman means about learning his work ethic from Buzz. The quotes back up his opinion.
Additionally, my guess is that if Jimmy Butler the Younger had a super work ethic he could have parlayed his 1200 SAT scores into at least one 4 year D1 scholarship offer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2020, 09:41:04 PM
Mike
I read the whole series of quotes and according to everyone Jimmy did NOT arrive at Marquette with a great work ethic. He was out of shape and constantly talking about quitting the team because he couldn't hack it. However, coaches (and probably teammates) repeatedly talked him out of quitting and once he turned the corner (learned a work ethic) he became the leader/poster child for hard work. That's what Mutaman means about learning his work ethic from Buzz. The quotes back up his opinion.
Additionally, my guess is that if Jimmy Butler the Younger had a super work ethic he could have parlayed his 1200 SAT scores into at least one 4 year D1 scholarship offer.
I seem to recall Jimmy telling a story where after his first few weeks in Milwaukee he called his "stepmom" and told her he didn't like it and she should send him the money to get back to Houston. She said if he was going to quit he would have to pay his own way back. So he stayed.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2020, 09:41:04 PM
Mike
I read the whole series of quotes and according to everyone Jimmy did NOT arrive at Marquette with a great work ethic. He was out of shape and constantly talking about quitting the team because he couldn't hack it. However, coaches (and probably teammates) repeatedly talked him out of quitting and once he turned the corner (learned a work ethic) he became the leader/poster child for hard work. That's what Mutaman means about learning his work ethic from Buzz. The quotes back up his opinion.
Additionally, my guess is that if Jimmy Butler the Younger had a super work ethic he could have parlayed his 1200 SAT scores into at least one 4 year D1 scholarship offer.
I think you are making out Jimmy as more of a sloth than those quotes represent, but I don't want to argue with you.
I give Buzz a ton of credit for bringing Jimmy to MU, coaching him up, and getting our program among the nation's top few dozen. I enjoyed watching his teams play, and I wish we had some of that style now.
And I give Jimmy a ton of credit for working hard, both on his own accord and as pushed by his teammates and coaches. I think I speak for all of us when I say that back in 2011, nobody would have expected him to become one of the very best basketball players in the world -- which is exactly what he is.
And BTW, I also give Crean a ton of credit for all the good things he did at MU, especially recruiting Wade and hiring Buzz. Wade constantly credits Crean for the player he became -- pretty much never talks about MU without bringing up Crean -- so I guess if we're going to give Buzz lots of credit for Jimmy, we have to give Crean lots of credit for one of the five best 2-guards in basketball history.
Crean sucks
Spoelstra just said:
"What else can you say but Jimmy F'n Butler!"
He didn't mention Scoop.
Quote from: ProjoSlim on October 06, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
Spoelstra just said:
"What else can you say but Jimmy F'n Butler!"
He didn't mention Scoop.
WtF? That's poor form.
Wish Jimmy was a little more confident in his three point shot. Would be unstoppable and Miami would probably be tied 2-2.
So fun....
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 08:29:42 AM
Butler was maybe my favorite Marquette player ever. But hoo boy is he hard to root for in the NBA. Where he goes, drama and malcontent will follow. Easily my least favorite former Marquette NBA player.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
There is no doubt the Timberwolves, or any team, should build around KAT over Jimmy. Jimmy's a very good player. He'll never be the best player on a title team. KAT probably won't be, but he has a chance to be.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
Also, the Heat aren't "legit contenders." They're playing very well in the regular season. Without making a pretty big move, they have 0 chance of getting to the Finals without injuries to star players on the Bucks, 76ers, and C's.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 09, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
KAT is better in every facet of the game other than ball handling and guarding on the perimeter. Jimmy is so much better that he really turned the Timberwolves into a great team when he joined them.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 07, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
So fun....
So wait. You think if Butler and KAT trade places that the TWolves are in the Finals and the Heat are nowhere?
Let's face it. The Bucks didn't have Giannis for 2.5 games, Simmons wasn't even available for any of the Playoffs, and the Heat aren't winning the Title. They'll have a chance once Bam takes the next step and becomes the star he's going to be.
Currently? Yeah, I'd take Butler over KAT. But if I'm trying to build a team that's going to win a title? I'm not taking a wing who won't (not even can't, but straight up won't) shoot 3s.
But congrats to Butler on a huge game that the Lakers slept through. Glad he got his one win in the Finals.
LOL.
I think the Heat are way better off with Butler than they would be with KAT. Are you kidding?
Butler made the Finals. (After your prediction they would have a "0 chance.") KAT finished 14th in the Western Conference and didn't even make the bubble. Great guy to build around.
I mean, if you keep wanting to have this discussion, I'm fine with it. But it seems like a REALLY bad hill to defend right now.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 07, 2020, 09:08:07 AM
LOL.
I think the Heat are way better off with Butler than they would be with KAT. Are you kidding?
Butler made the Finals. (After your prediction they would have a "0 chance.") KAT finished 14th in the Western Conference and didn't even make the bubble. Great guy to build around.
I mean, if you keep wanting to have this discussion, I'm fine with it. But it seems like a REALLY bad hill to defend right now.
Yes. The Heat are better off with Butler than they are with KAT. Why? Because they have Bam. Who is a very similar player to KAT.
And ahh. You stopped reading at "0 chance" and didn't realize I said "If there were injuries," which there were.
But yeah good call. Other than the Bam and KAT, the roster makeups are identical, the East is as good as the West, etc. TWolves a well run franchise with great pieces all over the place just like the Heat. Only difference is KAT and Jimmy.
LOL!
Quote from: WithoutBias on October 07, 2020, 09:42:10 AM
Yes. The Heat are better off with Butler than they are with KAT. Why? Because they have Bam. Who is a very similar player to KAT.
And ahh. You stopped reading at "0 chance" and didn't realize I said "If there were injuries," which there were.
But yeah good call. Other than the Bam and KAT, the roster makeups are identical, the East is as good as the West, etc. TWolves a well run franchise with great pieces all over the place just like the Heat. Only difference is KAT and Jimmy.
LOL!
Well for 1.
Giannis didnt miss 2.5 games. He actually missed 1.5. They were already down 3-0 with Giannis. Their 1 win came in the game he was hurt lol.
Second off.
Jimmy and the Heat didn't play the 76ers. The 76ers lost to the Celtics. In a 4 game sweep. The Celtics were the considerably better basketball team.
Third off.
Jimmy now has injuries to his 2nd and 3rd best players in the finals. No mention there.
4th off.
You're an idiot.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 07, 2020, 10:33:33 AM
Well for 1.
Giannis didnt miss 2.5 games. He actually missed 1.5. They were already down 3-0 with Giannis. Their 1 win came in the game he was hurt lol.
Second off.
Jimmy and the Heat didn't play the 76ers. The 76ers lost to the Celtics. In a 4 game sweep. The Celtics were the considerably better basketball team.
Third off.
Jimmy now has injuries to his 2nd and 3rd best players in the finals. No mention there.
4th off.
You're an idiot.
Giannis had 18 points in the game the Bucks won...
So write off the fact that the Bucks missed Giannis for 1.5 games, but it's a devastating blow that the heat missed Bam for 1 game? Makes sense.
Has Jimmy won a title as the best player on the team? As far as I know, he hasn't. Which was the point that fluffy thought he was disproving. But...
Quote from: WithoutBias on October 07, 2020, 10:54:28 AM
Giannis had 18 points in the game the Bucks won...
So write off the fact that the Bucks missed Giannis for 1.5 games, but it's a devastating blow that the heat missed Bam for 1 game? Makes sense.
Has Jimmy won a title as the best player on the team? As far as I know, he hasn't. Which was the point that fluffy thought he was disproving. But...
Uhhh the Heat missed Bam for 2.5 games.
Boy you are really, really not good at this.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 07, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
Uhhh the Heat missed Bam for 2.5 games.
Boy you are really, really not good at this.
AKA "No, Jimmy has not won a title as the best player, but I can't say that because that's the entire point, so I'll go into calculating minutes a guy played in a game and decide he didn't play half a game here or there."
You're right. I'm not as good at deflecting as you are.
Best player on a team that won a championship? That's a pretty lofty goal for any.
Over the past 30 seasons this basically is the list: Outside the Pistons, first ballot HOF players.
Kawhi
Durant/Curry
LeBron
Nowitzki
Kobe
Duncan
Garnett
Wade
Billups/Hamilton
Shaq
Jordan
Olajuwon
The bubble has been a complete mess. Even with a dysfunctional team, Philly would have battled the Celtics with Simmons. They could have gotten to the ECF with him healthy.
I'm not sold on Towns as a superstar at all. Hype faded after his rookie year. Butler has the makeup of a winner and Towns, not so much. The Heat have been undermanned the last couple of games and banged up. Barely lost last night. What Miami/Butler did to get to this point is very impressive. The Lakers just have Lebron and Davis. That's hard as hell to get past.
Quote from: WithoutBias on October 07, 2020, 11:05:29 AM
AKA "No, Jimmy has not won a title as the best player, but I can't say that because that's the entire point, so I'll go into calculating minutes a guy played in a game and decide he didn't play half a game here or there."
You're right. I'm not as good at deflecting as you are.
I haven't deflected anything, nor made any sort of stance.
I just keep calling out your errors.
Which you then deflect.
Y'all are arguing about a bunch of hypothetical situations in which nobody can be proved right or wrong.
In other words ...
Scoop!
Jimmy has done amazing with the Heat and yes, I'd rather have him than KAT. We know Jimmy has the game and the mind set to win and lead. We don't know that about KAT, who couldn't even take the heat from ... Jimmy.
One thing that a couple of you have talked about is Jimmy's cruddy 3-point shooting, and I felt the same. But I just looked it up and, from 2014-19 -- covering his last 3 seasons in Chicago, his 1.5 years in Minny and his half season in Philly -- he shot a respectable .351 from 3, on 3.1 attempts per game. During his time in Minnesota, he shot .355 on 3.6 attempts per game.
So it's not like he is, well, Ben Simmons.
LeBron is a career .344 shooter from deep, Kemba .360 (though better his last few seasons), and Kawhi, the two seasons he ended with titles, shot .349 and .371. As good as Kawhi and LeBron are, nobody fears their 3-point shots; most opponents will pick their poison and give them those.
Now, Jimmy shot only .244 this season, which isn't good enough. But I have a feeling that if he feels he's settling in for Miami, he will focus on that this offseason and will improve at least to his best level. Which will be plenty good enough, especially as Bam, Herro and others around him get better. The Heat have two elite 3-point shooters and a few other guys who can score from deep.
Jimmy does everything else at an All-Star level. All he needed was the right team to lead and the right coach, and it looks like he's found all that.
I mean yeah, it would be nice if Butler was a better three point shooter, but as MU82 points out, it's hardly a necessity if...
...he does other things at an elite level (like getting to the free throw line)
...and there are other's that fill that role on the team.
When Jimmy gets the ball around the top of the key he makes a strong move through the lane and can either get the mid range jumper or long arm extended layup almost every time. He also plays with a very high IQ and realizes when the defense collapses on him to kick it out to a wide open three. He has an old school style to his game that is very appealing .
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on October 07, 2020, 07:41:23 PM
When Jimmy gets the ball around the top of the key he makes a strong move through the lane and can either get the mid range jumper or long arm extended layup almost every time. He also plays with a very high IQ and realizes when the defense collapses on him to kick it out to a wide open three. He has an old school style to his game that is very appealing .
Traditional?
Jimmy is a legend
Spoelstra on Jimmy:
https://clutchpoints.com/heat-news-erik-spoelstra-advice-young-players-after-thrilling-game-5-finals-win/
Butch Lee's FB Post
https://www.facebook.com/butch.lee.15
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on October 10, 2020, 09:00:19 AM
Spoelstra on Jimmy:
https://clutchpoints.com/heat-news-erik-spoelstra-advice-young-players-after-thrilling-game-5-finals-win/
Pretty simple.
Team JFB with hungry, team oriented hard workers who want to get the most of their talents and he's an inspiration. Team him with entitled "me firsters" who don't want to pay the price of winning and he's a disruption.
Good for Jimmy.
If the Heat should win, finals MVP is obvious.
If the Lakers win, then it's time again for a member of the losing squad to be MVP.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 10, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
If the Heat should win, finals MVP is obvious.
If the Lakers win, then it's time again for a member of the losing squad to be MVP.
Why? I hate LBJ, maybe my least favorite athlete ever. But he's averaging 30 points, 11.5 rebounds, and 8 assists while shooting 58% from the floor and 45% from 3. Butler is averaging 29 points, 8.6 rebounds, and 10 assists while shooting 55% from the floor and 27% from 3. If the Lakers win there's absolutely no argument for Jimmy Butler as Finals MVP, or anyone but LeBron.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on October 10, 2020, 09:12:53 AM
FIFY ;)
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1314781231016488962?s=10
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 10, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
If the Heat should win, finals MVP is obvious.
If the Lakers win, then it's time again for a member of the losing squad to be MVP.
Nah. LeBron has had an outstanding Finals.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on October 10, 2020, 09:22:31 AM
Butch Lee's FB Post
https://www.facebook.com/butch.lee.15
Stoopid Butch. ftsnomatta
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 10, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
If the Heat should win, finals MVP is obvious.
If the Lakers win, then it's time again for a member of the losing squad to be MVP.
Have to pile on and wonder if you're hitting the electric lettuce a little too heavy with words like the above.
The Athletic doesn't think Wes Matthews will exercise his $2.69M player option to stay with the Bucks next season:
Matthews rehabilitated some of his 3-and-D value for a dominant Bucks team, but let's not get carried away: He's 34 and had a PER of 8.1 this year, with league-average True Shooting despite taking mostly wide-open looks next to Giannis Antetokounmpo and Khris Middleton. He might have benefited from a championship halo had the Bucks fared better in the postseason, but instead will face a tougher evaluation environment.
Nonetheless, it's hard to see what the downside is for him to opt out. Matthews' minimum salary as a 10-year vet is just under $2.6 million, and certainly somebody will sign him after he started all year for the team with the league's best record. It's just not clear if he can garner much of a raise, or if he's looking at another 1+1 arrangement this offseason. Note that Matthews could also re-sign in Milwaukee on a one-year deal that gave him a 20% raise as a non-Bird free agent, which would earn him slightly above $3 million. Verdict: No
Also, The Athletic doesn't see OKC picking up Deonte Burton's $1.66M team option.
Of the three young Thunder wings with team options, Burton seems by far the most expendable. He had a PER of 4.3 in 39 games and shoots 22.5 percent career on 3s. Ou est le passeport? Verdict: No
Wes going to the Lakers is good for MU's NBA , would have been nice if could have stayed in Milwaukee but if he is starting out on the Coast that should be good visibility .
Will be interesting to see where Jae ends up . I think he is looking for a multi year deal , which he definitely earned. I don't think the Heat will step up for that many years so he may end up at one of the Texas teams , Mavs, Spurs or Rockets or even Golden State .
Hoping for the best for Juan hanging on to his roster spot with the Warriors. Although he played well with mouth for some other team to give him a shot.
Henry will need to keep working on his Defense if he is going to get another chance . He will keep tearing up the G League on the offensive side.
Former MU Deonte Burton was waived by the Thunder
Hornets could use Jae's toughness. Would love to see him sign here.
Jae got his long term money from Phoenix . Good for him.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260472/Jae-Crowder-Agrees-To-Three-Year-$30M-Deal-With-Suns
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on November 21, 2020, 01:25:47 PM
Jae got his long term money from Phoenix . Good for him.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260472/Jae-Crowder-Agrees-To-Three-Year-$30M-Deal-With-Suns
Jae deserves it, and that's a great landing spot for him. Suns definitely a team on the rise, and Jae is a winner who will help them move up in the West.
I hope Henry Ellenson is able to get one more shot at the NBA. I think he has done a good job over the last four years polishing his offensive game. He is now playing as a stretch 5 and still has his great instinct for rebounds. Henry is also still relatively young from an NBA perspective and has experience. His lack of defense is what is holding him back.
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on November 23, 2020, 05:57:20 PM
I hope Henry Ellenson is able to get one more shot at the NBA. I think he has done a good job over the last four years polishing his offensive game. He is now playing as a stretch 5 and still has his great instinct for rebounds. Henry is also still relatively young from an NBA perspective and has experience. His lack of defense is what is holding him back.
Lack of defense has been a persistent problem with Wojo's players/teams.
But if Henry is ever going to be a "stretch" anything (even a 5) in the NBA he'll have to shoot it better.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 23, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
Lack of defense has been a persistent problem with Wojo's players/teams.
But if Henry is ever going to be a "stretch" anything (even a 5) in the NBA he'll have to shoot it better.
I think Henry worked hard to improve his shooting and it much better now. Although you are correct if he was to make it in the league as a pure shooter he would have to take it up another level for sure.
G League
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfiFjzR-F9M
Knicks
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oJLTxO27HDQ
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 23, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
Lack of defense has been a persistent problem with Wojo's players/teams.
But if Henry is ever going to be a "stretch" anything (even a 5) in the NBA he'll have to shoot it better.
Henry's issues with defense have nothing to do with Wojo. He spent less than a year with Wojo. He's been a professional player for five years.
Henry just got picked up by the Raptors on a 2-year min deal with $50k guaranteed. "Effectively a camp deal with a small guarantee"
https://twitter.com/BlakeMurphyODC/status/1332376447877591044
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 27, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Henry just got picked up by the Raptors on a 2-year min deal with $50k guaranteed. "Effectively a camp deal with a small guarantee"
https://twitter.com/BlakeMurphyODC/status/1332376447877591044
Henry played well for their G League team, but I think he is no longer eligible for two way deals since has had 4 years in the league. Hopefully he does well in their training camp and can stay within their organization.
Looks like Juan has an opportunity to fill the final roster spot as two way player at Golden State per this article if he doesn't earn it in regular course.
The article Is mainly about Nico Mannion being a second round pick for the Warriors and signing a two way contract . Nico had a strong freshman year at Arizona. This is the same deal Markus and Ty -Shon Alexander ,who were free agents , got . There is some upside to this , if Nico , Markus and Ty-Shon can perform , They can go straight to a big contract the way Wes and Jae did , and not have to wait 4 years like a first rounder.
I hope Juan earns his spot again with The Warriors
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/amp/2nd-round-pick-Nico-Mannion-to-sign-two-way-15758044.php
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on November 29, 2020, 07:29:29 AM
Looks like Juan has an opportunity to fill the final roster spot as two way player at Golden State per this article if he doesn't earn it in regular course.
The article Is mainly about Nico Mannion being a second round pick for the Warriors and signing a two way contract . Nico had a strong freshman year at Arizona. This is the same deal Markus and Ty -Shon Alexander ,who were free agents , got . There is some upside to this , if Nico , Markus and Ty-Shon can perform , They can go straight to a big contract the way Wes and Jae did , and not have to wait 4 years like a first rounder.
I hope Juan earns his spot again with The Warriors
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/amp/2nd-round-pick-Nico-Mannion-to-sign-two-way-15758044.php
Jae had to wait two years unlike Wes as a second round pick who had his option picked up.
Going from an undrafted player to a seven-figure salary in year two, a la Wes, just doesn't happen very often.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2020, 07:35:01 AM
Jae had to wait two years unlike Wes as a second round pick who had his option picked up.
Going from an undrafted player to a seven-figure salary in year two, a la Wes, just doesn't happen very often.
Wes' story was as remarkable as it was unique. If I recall correctly, he was the highest paid player from his draft class in his second year because Portland front-loaded his free agent contract with $9.1M in the first year of the deal, 2010-11. That same season, #1 pick Blake Griffin made just $6.3M including incentives. Suffice to say, it's pretty rare for the undrafted guy to ever be making more than the #1 overall pick.
Well written article chronicling the three players competing for the last roster spot on The Raptors. Has some good detail on Henry.
https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/12/2/21726531/nba-toronto-raptors-training-camp-invitees-henry-ellenson-alize-johnson-yuta-watanabe
Positive mention about Juan Anderson chances to make The Warriors roster.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/17/steph-curry-leads-warriors-win-kings-preseason/
Did I read somewhere that NBA rosters were going to be at 15 instead of the usual 13 for at least the beginning of the season?
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 18, 2020, 02:58:40 PM
Did I read somewhere that NBA rosters were going to be at 15 instead of the usual 13 for at least the beginning of the season?
Yes, 15 players on active rosters for 2020-2021 season - https://www.nba.com/news/teams-allowed-to-carry-15-players-on-active-roster-for-2020-21-season (https://www.nba.com/news/teams-allowed-to-carry-15-players-on-active-roster-for-2020-21-season)
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on December 10, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Well written article chronicling the three players competing for the last roster spot on The Raptors. Has some good detail on Henry.
https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/12/2/21726531/nba-toronto-raptors-training-camp-invitees-henry-ellenson-alize-johnson-yuta-watanabe
Not gonna happen. Henry waived today.
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on December 18, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
Positive mention about Juan Anderson chances to make The Warriors roster.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/17/steph-curry-leads-warriors-win-kings-preseason/
Not gonna happen. Juan waived today.
Quote from: nyg on December 19, 2020, 06:04:59 PM
Not gonna happen. Juan waived today.
I think the Warriors looking to fill that last spot with Jeremy Lin. Hopefully Juan can stay with the Warriors G League team
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on December 21, 2020, 01:04:45 AM
I think the Warriors looking to fill that last spot with Jeremy Lin. Hopefully Juan can stay with the Warriors G League team
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30545720/source-jeremy-lin-sign-golden-state-warriors-g-league-team
Lin not signing. Warriors signing another player to G-League.
This article has some good comments from Steve Kerr about Juan and the potential for the last two way spot on the Warriors roster
https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-waive-juan-toscano-anderson-230303460.html
Juan signs two way deal with Golden State:
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1341396582428774402?s=19
Quote from: shoothoops on December 22, 2020, 12:40:12 PM
Juan signs two way deal with Golden State:
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1341396582428774402?s=19
Congrats to Juan! Even if he sees little PT with the Warriors, his post-college development has been outstanding. Sort of Buycks-esque.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 22, 2020, 01:37:33 PM
Congrats to Juan! Even if he sees little PT with the Warriors, his post-college development has been outstanding. Sort of Buycks-esque.
Delighted for Juan. Kid has worked very hard, he is playing on his Home Town team and the beautiful thing is the coach completely understands the value Juan brings.
https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/12/22/22195285/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-two-way-contract
Juan played a pretty solid first half, 3 rebounds, 2 blocks, and an assist a -1 +/-, which is good, considering they are down 18
Not a bad line for Juan in the end:
4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rebs, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 0 turnovers in 13 minutes. -9 in +/- isn't horrible when the team loses by 26 points.
Quote from: shoothoops on December 22, 2020, 12:40:12 PM
Juan signs two way deal with Golden State:
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1341396582428774402?s=19
Loved seeing this news. Kept working hard. Go get 'em, Juan.
This is why I don't gamble.
I would have bet my life's savings against Juan playing even 1 second in the NBA.
Good for him. I hope he can hustle and work his way to a long career.
Quote from: cven7 on December 22, 2020, 08:30:35 PM
Not a bad line for Juan in the end:
4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rebs, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 0 turnovers in 13 minutes. -9 in +/- isn't horrible when the team loses by 26 points.
He honestly looked like the only Warrior who knew the fundamentals of basketball.
How many of Buzz's guys have made the NBA now?
Quote from: 1SE on December 24, 2020, 08:49:46 AM
How many of Buzz's guys have made the NBA now?
Depends. If you count Wes as a Buzz guy then Juan is a Wojo guy.
Overall it's:
Wes (Crean/Buzz)
Jerel (Crean/Buzz)
Lazar (Crean/Buzz)
Dwight
Jimmy
DJO
Jae
Vander
Jamil
Juan (Buzz/Wojo)
Deonte (Buzz/Wojo/Iowa State)
Jae gets off to a nice start in the Suns season opening win.
Juan with 3 rebounds and an assist in 13 minutes in the Warriors loss to The Bucks .
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2020, 10:21:55 AM
Depends. If you count Wes as a Buzz guy then Juan is a Wojo guy.
Overall it's:
Wes (Crean/Buzz)
Jerel (Crean/Buzz)
Lazar (Crean/Buzz)
Dwight
Jimmy
DJO
Jae
Vander
Jamil
Juan (Buzz/Wojo)
Deonte (Buzz/Wojo/Iowa State)
First of all, seeing "Dwight" after Wes Jerel and Lazar makes me think of Dwight Burke, who definitely did NOT play in the NBA. Had to do a double take.
Also, you forgot Ellenson (Wojo) and Markus (Wojo).
Does Markus count yet? ESPN has him at 1 GP but 0 minutes and no stats. Did he get into that Clippers game briefly?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 27, 2020, 12:33:34 PM
First of all, seeing "Dwight" after Wes Jerel and Lazar makes me think of Dwight Burke, who definitely did NOT play in the NBA. Had to do a double take.
Also, you forgot Ellenson (Wojo) and Markus (Wojo).
Does Markus count yet? ESPN has him at 1 GP but 0 minutes and no stats. Did he get into that Clippers game briefly?
Yes. They put him in with 26 seconds left to play in a game the Nuggets were losing by 13. What happened was, the Clippers inbounded the ball to Markus' man. The Clippers player was just going to dribble out the shot clock, but Markus hounded him on defense, going for the steal, forcing the guy to pass it off. Markus then sat on edge for the rest of that possession until the Clippers were called for a shot clock violation. Then Markus made damn sure he'd be the one to get the inbounds pass and, with 2 seconds left in a game that was completely decided and with nobody guarding him, he dribbled up the court as fast as he could and took a thirty foot jump shot as time expired. The shot did not go in. It was completely unprofessional, but if Markus gets in a game again, he'll at least be able to act like he's been there before.
He came into the game with the Nuggets down 13 with 26 seconds left. The Clippers ran down the shot clock to 2 seconds. The Nuggets inbounded the ball to Markus and he launched one from the mid-court logo at the buzzer. It rimmed out.
The above is from Heisy on another thread. I would say this counts. If you play 26 seconds.....that should be recorded as a minute. If you miss a 1/2 court shot, he should be 0-1 FG, 0-1 3pt.
Hopefully, he sees action and scores so this is not even up for debate.
So Markus is in Club Trillion.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 27, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
Yes. They put him in with 26 seconds left to play in a game the Nuggets were losing by 13. What happened was, the Clippers inbounded the ball to Markus' man. The Clippers player was just going to dribble out the shot clock, but Markus hounded him on defense, going for the steal, forcing the guy to pass it off. Markus then sat on edge for the rest of that possession until the Clippers were called for a shot clock violation. Then Markus made damn sure he'd be the one to get the inbounds pass and, with 2 seconds left in a game that was completely decided and with nobody guarding him, he dribbled up the court as fast as he could and took a thirty foot jump shot as time expired. The shot did not go in. It was completely unprofessional, but if Markus gets in a game again, he'll at least be able to act like he's been there before.
God Markus is the worst.
The mere mention of his name causes a COVID like virus of vitriol to spread.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 27, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
Yes. They put him in with 26 seconds left to play in a game the Nuggets were losing by 13. What happened was, the Clippers inbounded the ball to Markus' man. The Clippers player was just going to dribble out the shot clock, but Markus hounded him on defense, going for the steal, forcing the guy to pass it off. Markus then sat on edge for the rest of that possession until the Clippers were called for a shot clock violation. Then Markus made damn sure he'd be the one to get the inbounds pass and, with 2 seconds left in a game that was completely decided and with nobody guarding him, he dribbled up the court as fast as he could and took a thirty foot jump shot as time expired. The shot did not go in. It was completely unprofessional, but if Markus gets in a game again, he'll at least be able to act like he's been there before.
I heard there will be a letter writing campaign by the Nuggets bench. Cant believe Markus made sure he'd get the ball. Was there a nut punch involved?
Jimmy, Jae and Wes have had NBA careers. The others ... not so much.
Among ex-MU players of the Buzz/Wojo eras, I believe Henry would be 4th in both NBA games and earnings.
(Assumes Wes is counted for Buzz.)
Juan could catch Henry.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 27, 2020, 12:57:35 PM
So Markus is in Club Trillion.
Are you in Club Trillion if you didn't log a full minute and had a shot attempt? I thought you needed a number in the minute column and nothing in the rest (FGA included).
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 27, 2020, 04:47:43 PM
Are you in Club Trillion if you didn't log a full minute and had a shot attempt? I thought you needed a number in the minute column and nothing in the rest (FGA included).
Serious question.....if you play 26 seconds (or 59 seconds for the sake of argument) does the NBA (or ESPN) not count it as a minute played?
Secondly, why is a 30 foot shot with two seconds left in the game not considered a shot attempt?
Quote from: MU82 on December 27, 2020, 02:14:05 PM
Jimmy, Jae and Wes have had NBA careers. The others ... not so much.
Among ex-MU players of the Buzz/Wojo eras, I believe Henry would be 4th in both NBA games and earnings.
(Assumes Wes is counted for Buzz.)
Buycks had more than a cup of coffee
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 27, 2020, 12:33:34 PM
First of all, seeing "Dwight" after Wes Jerel and Lazar makes me think of Dwight Burke, who definitely did NOT play in the NBA. Had to do a double take.
Also, you forgot Ellenson (Wojo) and Markus (Wojo).
Does Markus count yet? ESPN has him at 1 GP but 0 minutes and no stats. Did he get into that Clippers game briefly?
The question was asking about Buzz affiliated NBA players. As much reason to include Markus or Henry in that as there would've been to include Wade Novak or Deiner.
Also Markus hadn't played an official minute yet when I posted that.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 27, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
Serious question.....if you play 26 seconds (or 59 seconds for the sake of argument) does the NBA (or ESPN) not count it as a minute played?
Secondly, why is a 30 foot shot with two seconds left in the game not considered a shot attempt?
If I'm not mistaken, once you appear in a game your minutes are listed as "1." At least that seems to be what happens in the box score.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 27, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
Serious question.....if you play 26 seconds (or 59 seconds for the sake of argument) does the NBA (or ESPN) not count it as a minute played?
Secondly, why is a 30 foot shot with two seconds left in the game not considered a shot attempt?
I don't know, but when I looked at the box score after the game went final, Howard was listed with 0 minutes & 0/1 shooting.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 27, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
Buycks had more than a cup of coffee
"Cup of coffee" is your phrase, not mine. I said he didn't have much of an NBA career.
He played in 49 games over parts of three seasons. I don't believe I was incorrect in my assessment. Frankly, given what we saw in college, I'm amazed he even got a cup of coffee (same is true of Juan), and I congratulate him on that.
Jae had a solid 17 8 and 2 game for the Suns in a hard fought loss against the Kings yesterday. Jae has gotten off to a nice start so far this season.
Juan getting the start tonight against The Bulls.
Quote from: MU82 on December 27, 2020, 07:17:03 PM
"Cup of coffee" is your phrase, not mine. I said he didn't have much of an NBA career.
He played in 49 games over parts of three seasons. I don't believe I was incorrect in my assessment. Frankly, given what we saw in college, I'm amazed he even got a cup of coffee (same is true of Juan), and I congratulate him on that.
Really that's it with 49 games? Thought he was in a lot more with Toronto and chose to head back to France because more money was offered.
Wish we could've seen what Jamil had to offer. Sadly borderline prospects aren't ever worth the PR issues he had.
Juan is going to play a lot for GS. One of the few reliable defenders they have. He moved into the starting lineup last night.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 28, 2020, 11:26:33 AM
Juan is going to play a lot for GS. One of the few reliable defenders they have. He moved into the starting lineup last night.
Watching him beat KD down the floor on a fast break just before xmas was incredible. He's no star, but he seems to have stuck! I'm really happy for the young man.
Juan with another start tonight. Played 24 minutes. Truly believe and hope that he is going to stick. He won't start once GS gets Green back and some of the young guys improve, but he looks like a solid 9th/10th guy who will bring defense and energy off the bench. He looks comfortable out there.
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on December 27, 2020, 07:31:04 PM
Jae had a solid 17 8 and 2 game for the Suns in a hard fought loss against the Kings yesterday. Jae has gotten off to a nice start so far this season.
Juan getting the start tonight against The Bulls.
Bit generous calling Jaes start "nice".
But hes having a great game tonight. Should settle in nicely with the Suns as a vet.
insane juan made it to the nba. absolutely incredible.
Living up to his high school videos. And he is what the game is evolving toward. 6'6. Fast, versatile, able to shoot the 3, put it on the floor, and reasonably defend multiple positions. Or, position-less basketball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWm2VNolvw
Great interview.
Juan is also an example of what talent can be unlocked when you're truly a professional ball player and have no other obligations or focus other than being all that you can be there. Stories like his are actually compelling cases for the G League/Abroad path for talented young players instead of college.
Also, missed the discussion before but Markus shooting a long shot with 2 seconds left while his team is down double digits is not unprofessional in any way. If they were up 13, sure. But down? Literally nobody would be bothered by that, especially for young players. I personally think dribbling out the clock on a team that is losing is incredibly lame. It's not like he sprinted for an uncontested dunk as the Clippers were walking off the floor
Markus got in for the last 30 seconds again. Nothing happened.
Juan still has served more time suspended by the NCAA than Miller, Self and Wade combined.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 30, 2020, 12:26:37 PM
Juan is also an example of what talent can be unlocked when you're truly a professional ball player and have no other obligations or focus other than being all that you can be there. Stories like his are actually compelling cases for the G League/Abroad path for talented young players instead of college.
You're absolutely right about this. However, 18yr olds who aren't that emotionally mature could easily get distracted by the money, women, club appearances, free booze (seriously again how was it not a bigger deal that the underage NBA players were on TV popping champagne?) and just attention in general.
Still think there's more reason to go pro than not, but I think you'll see more and more crazy off court instances and people washing out.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 30, 2020, 01:31:32 AM
insane juan made it to the nba. absolutely incredible.
Definitely the most surprising former MUBB player to make the league I can think of. He improved incrementally during his time in college. By his senior year, Juan was definitely good, but never did I think he had a shot at the pros. Good for him.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 30, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
Definitely the most surprising former MUBB player to make the league I can think of. He improved incrementally during his time in college. By his senior year, Juan was definitely good, but never did I think he had a shot at the pros. Good for him.
Even when he played on the TBT team last year or the year before, he did not look any different than he did at MU. But, good for him!
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 30, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Even when he played on the TBT team last year or the year before, he did not look any different than he did at MU. But, good for him!
He played on the TBT team?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 30, 2020, 01:55:50 PM
He played on the TBT team?
In 2019. Although I don't even remember him getting a lot of playing time overall.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 30, 2020, 02:23:48 PM
In 2019. Although I don't even remember him getting a lot of playing time overall.
Yep, he was just an energy guy off the bench.
Wes went 6-for-6 from behind the arc vs Spurs after having not made a 3 this season.
Methinks he'll make a few more.
Good quotes on article on Juan in last nights win for the Warriors
https://www.wfmz.com/news/tatum-celtics-hold-off-curry-and-warriors-for-111-107-win/article_3f95ac39-54d8-5197-95d1-2e0a5afee835.html
Quote from: The Big East on February 03, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
Good quotes on article on Juan in last nights win for the Warriors
https://www.wfmz.com/news/tatum-celtics-hold-off-curry-and-warriors-for-111-107-win/article_3f95ac39-54d8-5197-95d1-2e0a5afee835.html
Warriors lost...
Anyone know what Juan said to Rodney McGruder of the Pistons to start the kerfuffle?
Steve Kerr highly complimentary of Juan. Loves the way he plays .
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/Warriors-Steve-Kerr-on-Juan-Toscano-Anderson-15920477.php
Markus went 1-5 in 6 min last night, couple rebounds, a foul and a TO. Not sure he'll last long unless he can get that shooting percentage up.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 11:07:11 AM
Markus went 1-5 in 6 min last night, couple rebounds, a foul and a TO. Not sure he'll last long unless he can get that shooting percentage up.
His percentage of shots per minute seems plenty high already! I guess he has the ultimate green light in Denver too.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 11:07:11 AM
Markus went 1-5 in 6 min last night, couple rebounds, a foul and a TO. Not sure he'll last long unless he can get that shooting percentage up.
Malone is on the record saying that he doesn't care if Markus makes shots as he knows that he'll make them eventually. Lack of shot making won't knock him out of the league. Absence of other developing skills might.
https://twitter.com/LakelandMagic/status/1360039293834698752?s=19
Rowsey doing Rowsey things in the G League
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 10:22:07 PM
https://twitter.com/LakelandMagic/status/1360039293834698752?s=19
Rowsey doing Rowsey things in the G League
Bam. The left-handed, double clutch triple with the and one, he made vs the Dence, is one of the greatest individual shots I have seen in my lifetime. And of course the hammer sequence vs Creighton with three consecutive DEEP triples was special.
Jimmy passes D-Wade for second-most triple-doubles in Heat history.
Miami playing very well again with Jimmy fully healthy.
Juan with another good performance for the Warriors in their win over Orlando. 9 points and 5 rebounds in 20 minutes. Spent most of his time guarding Vucevic.
Averaging 30 MPG, 10 PPG and 8 RPG in six games this month.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 11, 2021, 11:19:27 PM
Juan with another good performance for the Warriors in their win over Orlando. 9 points and 5 rebounds in 20 minutes. Spent most of his time guarding Vucevic.
Averaging 30 MPG, 10 PPG and 8 RPG in six games this month.
I don't mean this as a knock on Juan in any way, but this really makes you wonder how many guys would do well if they were only given the chance. Sports are more like show business than people realize: Sometimes to get your big break, you just need to be in the right place at the right time. Success happens when preparation meets opportunity, hey?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 12, 2021, 12:05:45 AM
I don't mean this as a knock on Juan in any way, but this really makes you wonder how many guys would do well if they were only given the chance. Sports are more like show business than people realize: Sometimes to get your big break, you just need to be in the right place at the right time. Success happens when preparation meets opportunity, hey?
I've often thought the same. Almost everyone in G league and on the end of the NBA bench, given 25 minutes per game with 4 NBA starters, would get 10 points and a few boards and assists. Very glad that Juan is making the best of his chance.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 12, 2021, 12:05:45 AM
I don't mean this as a knock on Juan in any way, but this really makes you wonder how many guys would do well if they were only given the chance. Sports are more like show business than people realize: Sometimes to get your big break, you just need to be in the right place at the right time. Success happens when preparation meets opportunity, hey?
Absolutely. We've seen it time and time again in the history of sports. And some who were denied a shot but then suddenly got opportunities have ended up with far more than just token appearances.
I mean, Kurt Warner was stackin' shelves at Hy-Vee, for crissakes!
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 12, 2021, 12:05:45 AM
I don't mean this as a knock on Juan in any way, but this really makes you wonder how many guys would do well if they were only given the chance. Sports are more like show business than people realize: Sometimes to get your big break, you just need to be in the right place at the right time. Success happens when preparation meets opportunity, hey?
Or in Jamil's case success would have happen when preparation meets opportunity meets wrapping your tool/disclosing you've got herpes
https://arizonasports.com/story/2538506/jae-crowder-makes-winning-plays-in-winning-time-of-huge-suns-win/
Markus Howard, due to Denver's mounting injury problem, received ten minutes of playing time last night. He was scoreless in those ten minutes and is now 6 for 29 from the field on the season, including a most inauspicious debut from three point range - 3 for 21. I hope he continues to get some time on the floor, but he's certainly not taking advantage of his opportunities. This is a rough start for a guy signed to a contract on his shooting ability.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 12, 2021, 09:26:29 PM
https://arizonasports.com/story/2538506/jae-crowder-makes-winning-plays-in-winning-time-of-huge-suns-win/
Replacing Frank K in teh starting lineup it sounds like. Take that badgers.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 17, 2021, 01:19:46 PM
Replacing Frank K in teh starting lineup it sounds like. Take that badgers.
Given that Jae is 3x the player Kaminsky is, this shouldn't be stunning.
Quote from: bradforster on February 17, 2021, 01:12:52 PM
This is a rough start for a guy drafted on his shooting ability.
You mean signed right?
Quote from: bradforster on February 17, 2021, 01:12:52 PM
Markus Howard, due to Denver's mounting injury problem, received ten minutes of playing time last night. He was scoreless in those ten minutes and is now 6 for 29 from the field on the season, including a most inauspicious debut from three point range - 3 for 21. I hope he continues to get some time on the floor, but he's certainly not taking advantage of his opportunities. This is a rough start for a guy drafted on his shooting ability.
His whole life, Markus has been a guy who the coach played every minute of every game, and was always given the ultimate green light, with zero consequences if he was having a bad shooting night. Now when he comes to the arena, he's not sure if he'll play at all, and when he does he knows he might get pulled if he misses a few shots. Completely different mentality that's probably very difficult to adjust to.
Also, for the first time in his life, he's not the best player on the floor. Most players have to make that particular mental and physical adjustment the first time they lace 'em up in a college game. That was never the case for Markus. With few exceptions, he was always the best player out there at Marquette. Now, it's rare if he's in the top half.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 17, 2021, 01:48:27 PM
His whole life, Markus has been a guy who the coach played every minute of every game, and was always given the ultimate green light, with zero consequences if he was having a bad shooting night. Now when he comes to the arena, he's not sure if he'll play at all, and when he does he knows he might get pulled if he misses a few shots. Completely different mentality that's probably very difficult to adjust to.
Also, for the first time in his life, he's not the best player on the floor. Most players have to make that particular mental and physical adjustment the first time they lace 'em up in a college game. That was never the case for Markus. With few exceptions, he was always the best player out there at Marquette. Now, it's rare if he's in the top half.
Ja Morant says hi
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 17, 2021, 01:48:27 PM
His whole life, Markus has been a guy who the coach played every minute of every game, and was always given the ultimate green light, with zero consequences if he was having a bad shooting night. Now when he comes to the arena, he's not sure if he'll play at all, and when he does he knows he might get pulled if he misses a few shots. Completely different mentality that's probably very difficult to adjust to.
Also, for the first time in his life, he's not the best player on the floor. Most players have to make that particular mental and physical adjustment the first time they lace 'em up in a college game. That was never the case for Markus. With few exceptions, he was always the best player out there at Marquette. Now, it's rare if he's in the top half.
Aside from saying Markus quite often (maybe even most of the time) wasn't the best player on the floor his freshman season at Marquette, I agree with you.
Quote from: MU82 on February 17, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
Given that Jae is 3x the player Kaminsky is, this shouldn't be stunning.
I admit that I have bias, but whenever I watch Suns games, I can't believe Kaminsky is even a rotation player for a playoff team. He's slow, can't stick with anyone defensively, and takes a lot of clumsy missed shots inside. It's even more glaring when he's on the same team as Saric, a similar style of player, who makes him look entirely JV, despite not being a world beater himself.
Meanwhile Jae is almost always in the right spot, continues to rebound far better than his size, and has been shooting well from deep.
I'd be shocked if anyone signs Kaminsky once his deal is done. Ship off to Japan like a guy like Ryan Kelly. Meanwhile Jae continues to be a valuable contributor for playoff teams into his 9th year and don't see that changing for awhile
Quote from: JWags85 on February 17, 2021, 06:57:42 PM
I admit that I have bias, but whenever I watch Suns games, I can't believe Kaminsky is even a rotation player for a playoff team. He's slow, can't stick with anyone defensively, and takes a lot of clumsy missed shots inside. It's even more glaring when he's on the same team as Saric, a similar style of player, who makes him look entirely JV, despite not being a world beater himself.
Meanwhile Jae is almost always in the right spot, continues to rebound far better than his size, and has been shooting well from deep.
I'd be shocked if anyone signs Kaminsky once his deal is done. Ship off to Japan like a guy like Ryan Kelly. Meanwhile Jae continues to be a valuable contributor for playoff teams into his 9th year and don't see that changing for awhile
According to the media in Madison, Frank has yet to be properly used in the nba which I can only assume is unclogging toilets at halftime
Quote from: JWags85 on February 17, 2021, 06:57:42 PM
I admit that I have bias, but whenever I watch Suns games, I can't believe Kaminsky is even a rotation player for a playoff team. He's slow, can't stick with anyone defensively, and takes a lot of clumsy missed shots inside. It's even more glaring when he's on the same team as Saric, a similar style of player, who makes him look entirely JV, despite not being a world beater himself.
Meanwhile Jae is almost always in the right spot, continues to rebound far better than his size, and has been shooting well from deep.
I'd be shocked if anyone signs Kaminsky once his deal is done. Ship off to Japan like a guy like Ryan Kelly. Meanwhile Jae continues to be a valuable contributor for playoff teams into his 9th year and don't see that changing for awhile
It helps when you are 7 feet but I agree he is a fringe player at best.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 10:22:07 PM
https://twitter.com/LakelandMagic/status/1360039293834698752?s=19
Rowsey doing Rowsey things in the G League
Haha that was awesome. I love everything about Andrew except his defense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2021, 07:56:52 PM
According to the media in Madison, Frank has yet to be properly used in the nba which I can only assume is unclogging toilets at halftime
That's hysterical. There are plenty of 7 footers who can step out and shoot. Many are more athletic than Kaminsky and can defend at least somewhat. Love that a guy who has been in the league over 5 years, multiple coaches, none of whom could get much more than decent bench production out of him, before even that has tailed off to where he is now....but it's clearly a coaching/usage issue ;D : :(
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2021, 07:56:52 PM
According to the media in Madison, Frank has yet to be properly used in the nba which I can only assume is unclogging toilets at halftime
Haven't heard Frank mentioned in the Madison media in years. That is more telling than anything.
I'm all about BADger hate...Notre Dame hate too...but I'm sure Frank's bank account is lookin' quite fine. (is Frank the only BADger stiff in the nba these days?)
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 18, 2021, 06:57:05 AM
I'm all about BADger hate...Notre Dame hate too...but I'm sure Frank's bank account is lookin' quite fine. (is Frank the only BADger stiff in the nba these days?)
Well Herro is still on the Heat...wait a minute
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 18, 2021, 06:57:05 AM
I'm all about BADger hate...Notre Dame hate too...but I'm sure Frank's bank account is lookin' quite fine. (is Frank the only BADger stiff in the nba these days?)
Remember when the entire starting lineup of the Kaminsky-led Madison team were gonna be NBA stars, even Josh Gasser?
That wasn't one of Jay Bilas' best calls.
Having said that, I am envious of Madison's success during that time. They were a fine team and if I didn't hate them so much, I might have even enjoyed watching them play. Ugh.
Regardless of their NBA success, that was a very talented UW team.
Yeah, wee should bea sew talented, aina?
Obligatory Badger NBA post.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JkY-MygZxlw/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEiCKgBEF5IWvKriqkDFQgBFQAAAAAYASUAAMhCPQCAokN4AQ==&rs=AOn4CLBN6s6GGu_AnLcgf0SArY1rvh4jaA)
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 18, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
Regardless of their NBA success, that was a very talented UW team.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2021, 07:56:44 AM
Yeah, wee should bea sew talented, aina?
Agree. And said so.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 18, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
Regardless of their NBA success, that was a very talented UW team.
I also remember in 2003 before the draft that on "Bilas' Best" he rated Kirk Hinrich ahead of D. Wade. That officially ended me listening to Bilas other than on a live broadcast. :)
Career earnings, including all guaranteed future years:
Frank Kaminsky: $18 million
Jae Crowder: $66 million (includes two guaranteed future years)
Rumors of eliminating the 2 way game limit would help Juan.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/juan-toscano-anderson-warriors-get-great-two-way-nba-player-news
Markus Howard out, covid protocol.
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 04, 2021, 09:17:49 PM
Markus Howard out, covid protocol.
He's been out a few games. He was out the Bucks game on Tuesday for contact tracing too
https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1367641908407922689
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1367641908407922689
15 pts/3 reb on 7-10 shooting in 21 minutes for Sacar last night.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1367641908407922689
Is that John Fanta on PBP?
Sacar is one of my favorites. Let's see if he makes a NBA run.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2021, 03:07:00 PM
Is that John Fanta on PBP?
Sacar is one of my favorites. Let's see if he makes a NBA run.
John Fanta and Sacar Anim on a highlight , can't beat that.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2021, 03:07:00 PM
Is that John Fanta on PBP?
Sacar is one of my favorites. Let's see if he makes a NBA run.
Fanta has been doing NBA G League games with Kim Adams this season.
They have a good time. This was his Reservation Denied call on Valentine's Day:
https://twitter.com/Kim_Adams1/status/1361067031576141827?s=19
Quote from: The Big East on March 05, 2021, 05:58:26 PM
John Fanta and Sacar Anim on a highlight , can't beat that.
Idk. I like Fanta and think his content is good. But dude does not have a voice for PBP. Just a bit too sharp and shrill. That highlight was rough
Quote from: shoothoops on March 05, 2021, 06:57:23 PM
Fanta has been doing NBA G League games with Kim Adams this season.
They have a good time. This was his Reservation Denied call on Valentine's Day:
https://twitter.com/Kim_Adams1/status/1361067031576141827?s=19
Fanta and Adams will be calling the Big East Women's Quarterfinal games today.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 05, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
Idk. I like Fanta and think his content is good. But dude does not have a voice for PBP. Just a bit too sharp and shrill. That highlight was rough
I believe Fanta is perfect for college sports, and events like the g league, because he puts a lot of enthusiasm into the broadcast. He also does a great job on interviews . Glad he is part of the Big East.
Henry Ellenson with 35, 8 boards and 4 assists in a a quarterfinal of the G-League one and done tourney.
Including 5/9 from 3.
For the season Henry averaging 21.2, 8.1 reb plus 43% from 3, 88% from FT
Rowsey playing for Lakeland in the early evening game.
Second leading scorer on the season for Lakeland. Top scorer Mamadi Diakite just recalled by the Bucks. Rowsey will get his shots
The Lakeland coach said they signed Rowsey, and when Rowsey showed up for the game they thought he was a reporter.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 08, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
Henry Ellenson with 35, 8 boards and 4 assists in a a quarterfinal of the G-League one and done tourney.
Including 5/9 from 3.
For the season Henry averaging 21.2, 8.1 reb plus 43% from 3, 88% from FT
Rowsey playing for Lakeland in the early evening game.
Second leading scorer on the season for Lakeland. Top scorer Mamadi Diakite just recalled by the Bucks. Rowsey will get his shots
The Lakeland coach said they signed Rowsey, and when Rowsey showed up for the game they thought he was a reporter.
Sounds like a coach you'd run through a brick wall for, ai na?
Rowsey with 19 points in 20 minutes. Added 7 rebounds and 0 assists.
Lakeland with a couple familiar names on the roster. Billy Garrett from DePaul and none other than Karim Mane starting at the 3. Mane averaged about 5 points a game in 15 starts
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Toronto is signing forward Henry Ellenson to a 10-day contract, sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1369681225661743112?s=20
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 10, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Toronto is signing forward Henry Ellenson to a 10-day contract, sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1369681225661743112?s=20
That's awesome news. He has had a nice stretch for their G-League team. Would be great if he could stick with them.
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 10, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Toronto is signing forward Henry Ellenson to a 10-day contract, sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1369681225661743112?s=20
Delighted for Henry. I think the move to stretch 5 last year has been very good for him.
Downside: there goes the chance for Henry to joint the TBT team.
J/K, hope Henry can stick this time.
Henry had a nice game Saturday night for the Raptors 9 points and 9 Rebounds in 18 minutes.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-henry-ellenson-debut-charlotte-hornets
I think the longer hair is helping Henry. Kind of like Sampson.
Henry released by Raptors after 10 day contract. Possibly can be picked up again after the trade deadline on Thursday.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/henry-ellenson-hits-open-market/
Article on Markus struggles . Hope he can find his shooting touch soon.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/nuggets-markus-howard-struggling-to-adapt/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfPA8B90awA
Not sure if this was posted but Juan on NBA The Jump earlier this week!
OK MARKUS
https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1380000566256955395?s=21
Quote from: JWags85 on April 07, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
OK MARKUS
https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1380000566256955395?s=21
Sweet!
Or as Raftery would say: a little lingerie on the deck!
Juan dropped 20 pts and added 7 rebs tonight. Amazing story of perseverance.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 15, 2021, 11:55:58 PM
Juan dropped 20 pts and added 7 rebs tonight. Amazing story of perseverance.
The team won an important game for their playoff hopes and Juan played a key role .
Great article on Juan's 3 Point shooting improvement. This skill development makes him even more valuable.
https://news.yahoo.com/juan-toscano-anderson-3-point-190219343.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2021, 09:06:18 AM
Article on Markus struggles . Hope he can find his shooting touch soon.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/nuggets-markus-howard-struggling-to-adapt/
No surprise here. Time for Europe.
Jusn playing meaningful minutes off the bench first half, game on ABC
Marquette's Name was flashed across the screen for Juan Toscano Anderson 10 points 8 Rebounds and 3 Assists with Milwaukeans Poole and Looney who beat the Denver Nuggets Tonight as Marquette's Markus Howard went 1-1 from 3 for 3 points.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 23, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Marquette's Name was flashed across the screen for Juan Toscano Anderson 10 points 8 Rebounds and 3 Assists with Milwaukeans Poole and Looney who beat the Denver Nuggets Tonight as Marquette's Markus Howard went 1-1 from 3 for 3 points.
Yes!! They (Juan & Markus) also had a nice embrace at the end of the game. I think Juan will stick in the big boy league. Hopefully he gets a 3+ yr contract with GSW. It's truly an amazing story....perhaps unprecedented?? Not a lot of guys take that route to the the NBA. His versatility is what I envisioned at MU when he was a Frosh.
Steve Novak interviewed on WFAN in NYC this afternoon. He was talking NBA.
https://twitter.com/MandMWFAN/status/1389980692847681543
Congrats to Juan; no question that he's earned this. https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1390715648469311488?s=21
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on May 07, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
Congrats to Juan; no question that he's earned this. https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1390715648469311488?s=21
Wow truly incredible how he worked his way into the league. Frustrating we didn't get an ounce of that skill for MU but incredible.
So happy for Juan. Just a remarkable work ethic, and always a great teammate.
Juan has worked so hard for so long to earn this. He hit the trifecta, 1) His Skills have been on an uptrend 2) The Coach is really into Juan's style of play and 3) The Best Player on the team enjoys playing along side Juan.
Great story of a hometown hero( Juan is from Oakland) making good.
I love Juan's story. That kind of thing is so rare.
He's such a hard-working guy, and very humble.
I'd have put his shot at an NBA career at less than 1% when he left Marquette. Amazing.
Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
I love Juan's story. That kind of thing is so rare.
He's such a hard-working guy, and very humble.
I'd have put his shot at an NBA career at less than 1% when he left Marquette. Amazing.
There were Scoopers here who didn't think he was good enough for the TBT team.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2021, 09:06:18 AM
Article on Markus struggles . Hope he can find his shooting touch soon.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/nuggets-markus-howard-struggling-to-adapt/
Getting some minutes tonight
Great 3 from corner against Brooklyn
Quote from: dajudge on May 08, 2021, 09:45:26 PM
Getting some minutes tonight
Great 3 from corner against Brooklyn
8 points in 4 min. Vintage Markus explosion. Bench loving it.
Didn't realize he is roommates with Michael Porter Jr. Thats some heavy scoring talent in a single apartment
Quote from: JWags85 on May 08, 2021, 10:09:33 PM
8 points in 4 min. Vintage Markus explosion. Bench loving it.
Didn't realize he is roommates with Michael Porter Jr. Thats some heavy scoring talent in a single apartment
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1391227064871800834?s=21
Howard finished with 13 points last night.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 08, 2021, 10:57:12 PM
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1391227064871800834?s=21
Markus being Markus.
Very happy to see it and hope it continues for a great young man.
If there were more of Markus's character and class around the league, I'd start following it again.
Nothing like using Markus' success to take shots at the NBA. I'm sure Markus feels that the league has plenty of "character and class."
Good for Markus.
That is fantastic—career high?
Glad he got some minutes, things were looking pretty bleak for him over the past month.
Denver traded Harris, traded Hampton, lost Murray to injury, lost Morris to injury, lost Barton to injury. In light of that, Markus saw no time, then got "over recruited" by the signings of Rivers and Harrison. Still no playing time, until last night.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 09, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
Markus being Markus.
Very happy to see it and hope it continues for a great young man.
If there were more of Markus's character and class around the league, I'd start following it again.
Black Lives Matter
Quote from: nyg on May 09, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
Glad he got some minutes, things were looking pretty bleak for him over the past month.
Denver traded Harris, traded Hampton, lost Murray to injury, lost Morris to injury, lost Barton to injury. In light of that, Markus saw no time, then got "over recruited" by the signings of Rivers and Harrison. Still no playing time, until last night.
Delighted that Markus got some minutes. He came out Guns A-Blazing with 11 shots in 13 minutes. Showed a little proof of concept of being instant offense.
Hope he can build off this performance.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 09, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
Markus being Markus.
Very happy to see it and hope it continues for a great young man.
If there were more of Markus's character and class around the league, I'd start following it again.
How the h*ll would you know if there are classy people in the league? You proudly state you don't pay attention.
From someone who follows the NBA closely, there are classy players everywhere.
All Lives Matter
Quote from: muwar2014@gmail.com on May 09, 2021, 08:36:50 PM
All Lives Matter
And here come the racist dog whistles. We really looking to get this thread locked?
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 10, 2021, 05:31:09 AM
And here come the racist dog whistles. We really looking to get this thread locked?
Not a racist dog whistle. Just a racist whistle.
ignorance is no excuse
Wes Matthews starting for the Lakers in a victory over the Knicks, in place of some schlep named Lebron.
+14 +/- for the game, highest on the team.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 12, 2021, 09:56:13 AM
Wes Matthews starting for the Lakers in a victory over the Knicks, in place of some schlep named Lebron.
+14 +/- for the game, highest on the team.
That settles it...Wes is the GOAT.
Seriously, though, he
is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.
Steve Kerr gives Juan some credit for the Warriors turnaround. Juan is averaging 7/7/6 this month and playing 40 MPG.
I try to catch the Warriors whenever I can. He has been legitimately good for the past year. He's shooting 58% from the field and 41% from 3. If he can hit anywhere near that number from deep he's going to stick for a long time. He brings so much value on defense.
https://twitter.com/ThompsonScribe/status/1392340019562520576
Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 12, 2021, 10:03:16 AM
That settles it...Wes is the GOAT.
Seriously, though, he is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.
https://twitter.com/jerel_mcneal/status/1392349156950294538?s=20
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 12, 2021, 10:53:39 AM
https://twitter.com/jerel_mcneal/status/1392349156950294538?s=20
Thanks for posting that. Fantastic.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 12, 2021, 09:56:13 AM
Wes Matthews starting for the Lakers in a victory over the Knicks, in place of some schlep named Lebron.
+14 +/- for the game, highest on the team.
Wesley Matthews including the game tying Bucket with 3 Seconds left to send the game against the Knicks to Overtime where the Lakers Won. And Tonight Wesley Mathews had the Game saving poke away from Kelly Olynyk of the Rockets with 2 Seconds left to Win the Game for the Lakers.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 12, 2021, 11:57:45 PM
Wesley Matthews including the game tying Bucket with 3 Seconds left to send the game against the Knicks to Overtime where the Lakers Won. And Tonight Wesley Mathews had the Game saving poke away from Kelly Olynyk of the Rockets with 2 Seconds left to Win the Game for the Lakers.
You're like the anti-rocket with these random capitalizations.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 12, 2021, 11:57:45 PM
Wesley Matthews including the game tying Bucket with 3 Seconds left to send the game against the Knicks to Overtime where the Lakers Won. And Tonight Wesley Mathews had the Game saving poke away from Kelly Olynyk of the Rockets with 2 Seconds left to Win the Game for the Lakers.
Not sure what someone is seeing but Wesley Matthews is the anti-rocket.
Not sure if this applies but Sam Hauser
https://twitter.com/glushonsm/status/1392511025426046980?s=21
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 13, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
Not sure if this applies but Sam Hauser
https://twitter.com/glushonsm/status/1392511025426046980?s=21
I'd say keep Sam away from this thread. Keep it to NBA and GLeague players & coaches with an MU degree (ie if Duane Wilson ever gets there) or who finished their college career at MU (ie Crowder, Carlino when he was in the DLeague)
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 13, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
Not sure if this applies but Sam Hauser
https://twitter.com/glushonsm/status/1392511025426046980?s=21
Not quite the client list as a Rich Paul, but a pretty solid agency.
https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Jason-Glushon/765 (https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Jason-Glushon/765)
Grats to JTA on the 2 year contract with the Warriors!
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1392883564518289411?s=19
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 13, 2021, 06:38:45 PM
Grats to JTA on the 2 year contract with the Warriors!
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1392883564518289411?s=19
Congratulations Awesome News!!
2 games after a career high 13, Markus gets 17 minutes and makes the most of it. 15 points on 5/10, 4/8 from deep. Kid is finding his stroke
Quote from: JWags85 on May 13, 2021, 09:20:01 PM
2 games after a career high 13, Markus gets 17 minutes and makes the most of it. 15 points on 5/10, 4/8 from deep. Kid is finding his stroke
Cancer, I heard teammates starting to complain and thinking of writing a letter to coach.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 13, 2021, 09:20:01 PM
2 games after a career high 13, Markus gets 17 minutes and makes the most of it. 15 points on 5/10, 4/8 from deep. Kid is finding his stroke
I thought it'd be a transition for him not being the go to player and have to make the most of his action. Great for him!
Quote from: JWags85 on May 13, 2021, 09:20:01 PM
2 games after a career high 13, Markus gets 17 minutes and makes the most of it. 15 points on 5/10, 4/8 from deep. Kid is finding his stroke
Great news for Markus. Showing he can be a Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson type player. Sometimes all is takes is a couple of good games and confidence builds.
Nice thing about this last game for Markus is that he didn't just play in garbage time. Entered in 2Q with Nuggets leading 35-31. Made two 3s, hit a layup, assisted on bucket by Millsap. Subbed out after playing about 5 1/2 minutes, with Nuggets up 52-42. Very nice.
The injury to Murray obviously gives him an opening. I imagine it will be about matchups and particular needs as to whether he plays at all. And then once he gets into a game, it will be about if he's working the offense and not a liability on D.
Always happy to see any former Warrior succeed, and especially happy with one who gave so much to Marquette, as Markus did.
Great news about Juan, too!
Is anyone watching these nuggets games? How's he look on defense? Do the other teams post him up? Is he taking his shots within a flow of the offense or shooting whenever he gets the ball (which could be what's asked of him)? I'm curious if anyone is actually watching or only seeing the box score post game?
Quote from: swoopem on May 14, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Is anyone watching these nuggets games? How's he look on defense? Do the other teams post him up? Is he taking his shots within a flow of the offense or shooting whenever he gets the ball (which could be what's asked of him)? I'm curious if anyone is actually watching or only seeing the box score post game?
I'd say the last two could be argued as rushed a little. Certainly the second to last one from the corner. The rest looks solidly in the flow to me.
https://youtu.be/EAvK_k8QbVA
That last one is rushed but it was end of the shot clock.
It's only two games but Markus certainly looked like he belonged in both of them. Liked the wraparound pass to Millsap for the easy deuce. Hopefully he can build on this and continue to stick to rosters.
Markus with his first career start tonight. Of course the Nuggets have injury issues but he's out there next to the favorite for MVP. Pretty incredible. I've seen a few tweets talking about how he's clearly won over Malone and how hyped the bench is when he hits shots. Sure signs of a cancerous locker room presence
UPDATE: He's currently out of his mind. 7/8, 2/3 from deep, 16 in the first half. Twitter loving him
Great to see. Very happy for Markus!
7-9, 2-4 3pt, 16pts. He's making the most of this at least in the first half!
Nice!
Saw someone on Twitter call him the Air Fryer.
So great to see—up to 20 pts now!
Rumors Joker upset writing a letter and will ask for a trade if this keeps up
While I get the Hauser insinuation, Howard is not a cancar on Denver, that's this guy: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cancavl01.html
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
While I get the Hauser insinuation, Howard is not a cancar on Denver, that's this guy: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cancavl01.html
Well played.
Watching Howard on the pick and roll with Jokic was awesome.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
While I get the Hauser insinuation, Howard is not a cancar on Denver, that's this guy: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cancavl01.html
LOL
Toscano started for Warriors and playing PG "Magic like" 5 ast 1st qt
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
While I get the Hauser insinuation, Howard is not a cancar on Denver, that's this guy: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cancavl01.html
Still sore?
Quote from: Newsdreams on May 14, 2021, 09:10:06 PM
Toscano started for Warriors and playing PG "Magic like" 5 ast 1st qt
Herman Cain would approve of his stat line
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 15, 2021, 06:21:19 AM
Herman Cain would approve of his stat line
Bravo, glad I went to check the box score.
Markus has had a couple of nice games.
The Stan Johnson BBQ good luck charm perhaps. Markus paid a dinner visit to Stan's house in between Denver games vs the Lakers and Clippers in L.A. A week later, Markus puts up 3 career highs, gets a start etc...
Funniest part of Markus' Friday night box score: 1 block.
Is he the least likely MU player to ever record a block in an NBA game?
Markus Howard>>>Myles Powell.
Quote from: cven7 on May 15, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
Funniest part of Markus' Friday night box score: 1 block.
Is he the least likely MU player to ever record a block in an NBA game?
Watch out Jim McIlvaine!
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 15, 2021, 06:21:19 AM
Herman Cain would approve of his stat line
Absolutely, I love it for Juan. 9 points 9 rebounds and 9 assists
Markus with ANOTHER career high. 23 tonight to lead all Nuggets. Had 4 3s in the 3rd, also 4 rebounds and 3 assists. He was the only Nugget to play significant minutes with a positive +\- tonight.
Interestingly, lot of chatter on Twitter the last few nights about him having an excellent handle. Funny how he was often criticized for that at MU, but again, I think further evidence of how the offense hung primary ball handlers out to dry a lot.
Amazing seizing of opportunity for Markus. Got minutes when Murray went down and has played his azz off. Would not be shocked to see his contract converted in the offseason
Hell of a 4 game stretch for Markus. Great for him. Should translate to a real payday either in Denver or elsewhere.
Of Wojo's many sins, I think his greatest is how he squandered a generational talent and one of the top few players ever to play at Marquette. The fact that he couldn't put (or keep) together a roster around Markus is probably the main reason he's collecting the pandemic relief payment.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 17, 2021, 12:27:22 AM
Markus with ANOTHER career high. 23 tonight to lead all Nuggets. Had 4 3s in the 3rd, also 4 rebounds and 3 assists. He was the only Nugget to play significant minutes with a positive +\- tonight.
Interestingly, lot of chatter on Twitter the last few nights about him having an excellent handle. Funny how he was often criticized for that at MU, but again, I think further evidence of how the offense hung primary ball handlers out to dry a lot.
Amazing seizing of opportunity for Markus. Got minutes when Murray went down and has played his azz off. Would not be shocked to see his contract converted in the offseason
Also led the team in minutes.
Is this where I point out that they lost and call him cancerous?
Quote from: BLM on May 17, 2021, 06:29:41 AM
Is this where I point out that they lost and call him cancerous?
Malone lost the team...
Markus making a good case for his contract to be renewed .
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 17, 2021, 07:37:35 AM
Markus making a good case for his contract to be renewed .
What sort of options does he have? Will he be a Free Agent like Wes was? Or do the 2-way contracts give the Nuggets rights to him?
Great to see him making the most of his opportunity. The efficiency is nice to see.
Quote from: 1SE on May 17, 2021, 04:10:00 AM
Hell of a 4 game stretch for Markus. Great for him. Should translate to a real payday either in Denver or elsewhere.
Actually 5 games. He had a scoreless 3 minute appearance in there too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
What sort of options does he have? Will he be a Free Agent like Wes was? Or do the 2-way contracts give the Nuggets rights to him?
Great to see him making the most of his opportunity. The efficiency is nice to see.
AFAIK, because Markus spent 15+ days called up this year, if contract expires he'll be a restricted free agent. He has the potential to make a lot of money next year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
What sort of options does he have? Will he be a Free Agent like Wes was? Or do the 2-way contracts give the Nuggets rights to him?
At the end of the contract, the NBA team will have the right to tender a qualifying offer to the player should it choose to do so. If an offer is made and accepted, the player will become a full-salaried member of that team. If no offer is made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent. If an offer is made and rejected, the player becomes a restricted free agent, giving the team the right to match an offer the player receives.
A player on a two-way contract is not eligible to be on a playoff roster, so I think* we've seen the last of Markus this season.
*Caveat: During the season, a team can sign a two-way player to its active roster if it has an open spot, so I'm not sure if the Nuggets still could "promote" Markus or if that window has closed.
Thanks for the responses. Looks like Markus is working himself into a good position.
JTA got a long article in the WSJ this morning
https://www.wsj.com/articles/juan-toscano-anderson-warriors-lakers-nba-playoffs-11621307052
relevant MU bit
QuoteOnly by coincidence did his college coach begin recruiting him. Buzz Williams was sitting in a Las Vegas gym waiting for a summer game on Court 1 when that game was delayed and his attention drifted to Court 2. He was basically scouting blind, since he didn't know the name of anybody on the court, but one player intrigued him. He texted an assistant coach for more information about this kid he had accidentally discovered, and that's when he found out who he was and where Toscano-Anderson was from. "That's a long way to Milwaukee," thought Marquette's coach at the time.
Williams had never been to Oakland before visiting him—the recruit's mother made tamales—and Toscano-Anderson was so homesick at Marquette that he nearly transferred. But he also showed flashes of the skills that would translate to a future beyond college basketball.
"What he did as a player is similar to what everybody in the world is seeing over the past few months," Williams said. "He played that way even when Steph Curry wasn't on his team."
Buzz's MU legacy in terms of NBA results is really a consistent and compelling story.
Wes grinded and fought his way into a long career.
Butler was a first round pick, sure, but nobody thought he would be a star. His first season he was a nobody and even season 2 he was just a spot player mostly on a decent Bulls team. But dude's work ethic is unmatched.
Now Juan with the incredible story of resilience and fight.
Markus obviously is a different "era" but I would love him to become another story of low to no expectations turning into something.
Would love a few more Wade lottery pick type players, but I sneaky love having a bunch of MU guys who are the talk of Twitter or thinkpieces because of their unorthodox way to NBA regulars.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 18, 2021, 09:59:31 AM
Buzz's MU legacy in terms of NBA results is really a consistent and compelling story.
Wes grinded and fought his way into a long career.
Butler was a first round pick, sure, but nobody thought he would be a star. His first season he was a nobody and even season 2 he was just a spot player mostly on a decent Bulls team. But dude's work ethic is unmatched.
Now Juan with the incredible story of resilience and fight.
Markus obviously is a different "era" but I would love him to become another story of low to no expectations turning into something.
Would love a few more Wade lottery pick type players, but I sneaky love having a bunch of MU guys who are the talk of Twitter or thinkpieces because of their unorthodox way to NBA regulars.
Don't forget Jae, who I never thought would stick in the NBA.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 18, 2021, 10:07:52 AM
Don't forget Jae, who I never thought would stick in the NBA.
I thought Jae was well on his away out of the league when Dallas traded him. Things really turned around in Boston.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 18, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
JTA got a long article in the WSJ this morning
https://www.wsj.com/articles/juan-toscano-anderson-warriors-lakers-nba-playoffs-11621307052
Anyone with a subscription want to cut and paste?
Quote from: The Lens on May 18, 2021, 01:24:31 PM
Anyone with a subscription want to cut and paste?
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He Watched Steph vs. LeBron. Now He's Playing With Them.The first time that Stephen Curry and LeBron James met in the NBA Finals, one of the fans in the Golden State Warriors' crowd was a recent college graduate named Juan Toscano-Anderson. He watched the rest of the series on television, like anyone who grew up rooting for the Warriors, and he was at home in the Bay Area when they won the championship.
The NBA draft was held a few days later. If teams knew then what they know now, he might have been a first-round pick. But he wasn't disappointed when he went undrafted. As it turns out, he wasn't even watching.
Toscano-Anderson knew there was no way that he was going to play in the NBA.
Some players are undervalued. He was simply unvalued. But that night in 2015 began a series of preposterous developments that would take Juan Toscano-Anderson from his mother's home in Oakland after college to Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, an open tryout for the G League, a spot at the end of the Warriors' bench and now, incredibly, a game featuring the sport's biggest stars.
He's gone from being in the arena with Steph and LeBron to being on the court with them.
Wednesday's showdown between the Warriors and Lakers in the NBA's play-in tournament is the latest, unlikeliest chapter of the epic Steph vs. LeBron rivalry that defined the last decade of basketball. But the stakes are different—and so are their supporting casts. Many of their current teammates watched them play in four straight Finals while in college. Some were in high school and middle school. And one of them was in Oakland.
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Juan Toscano-Anderson was born and raised in the shadow of Golden State's home—he wears No. 95 in honor of a family house on 95th Avenue, so close to the team's former arena that it's in Curry's shooting range—and the Warriors were part of him long before he became a part of the Warriors.
He went to their basketball camps when he was a kid. He watched their "We Believe" team beat a No. 1 seed in the first round when he was a teenager. He doesn't have to be told how peculiar it is that most people now think of Golden State as a glittering dynasty. He knows the painful history of his favorite NBA team better than anyone in the locker room. "I grew up a Warriors fan," Toscano-Anderson said. "We sucked for years."
But the Warriors are partially responsible for him playing basketball in the first place. The person who steered Toscano-Anderson to basketball in elementary school—when he occasionally slept in his mother's car and once had a second-grader pull a knife on him—was a teacher named Wilhelmina Attles. She's married to the legendary Warriors player and coach Al Attles. "She just changed my life," he said.
It would keep changing. Toscano-Anderson was in high school when the Warriors drafted Curry in 2009 and were sold to new owners in 2010. He was getting better every year, too. "I thought he had a chance to play professionally somewhere," said Nick Jones, his coach. "But the NBA? No."
Only by coincidence did his college coach begin recruiting him. Buzz Williams was sitting in a Las Vegas gym waiting for a summer game on Court 1 when that game was delayed and his attention drifted to Court 2. He was basically scouting blind, since he didn't know the name of anybody on the court, but one player intrigued him. He texted an assistant coach for more information about this kid he had accidentally discovered, and that's when he found out who he was and where Toscano-Anderson was from. "That's a long way to Milwaukee," thought Marquette's coach at the time.
Williams had never been to Oakland before visiting him—the recruit's mother made tamales—and Toscano-Anderson was so homesick at Marquette that he nearly transferred. But he also showed flashes of the skills that would translate to a future beyond college basketball.
"What he did as a player is similar to what everybody in the world is seeing over the past few months," Williams said. "He played that way even when Steph Curry wasn't on his team."
But somebody who averages 3.8 points per game over four years in college is not exactly destined for the NBA, and Toscano-Anderson moved back to the Bay Area as Steph beat LeBron for the Warriors' first title. Then, at the exact moment when it would have made sense for him to stop, he moved to the one place that would let him keep playing.
He would make it from Oakland to San Francisco by way of Mexico.
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Toscano-Anderson was offered a spot on the Mexican national team and parlayed that experience into contracts with teams in Venezuela, Argentina and Mexico, where he was a league MVP, two-time champion and too good for his foreign league while not good enough for the NBA.
But he was ready to come home. Toscano-Anderson essentially invited himself to an open tryout for the Warriors' affiliate in Santa Cruz, a job he wanted so badly that he asked a friend on the team to vouch for him. Toscano-Anderson made the team and then paid a tax to chase his dream: He turned down a six-figure salary in Mexico and took a G League salary of $35,000.
He played for Santa Cruz in 2018, earned a place on Golden State's summer league team in 2019, returned to Santa Cruz and made his debut for the real Warriors in February 2020, a feel-good moment right before nobody would feel good for a very long time. He wasn't expected to contribute much when the Warriors finally started playing again close to a year later. But then something curious happened.
Toscano-Anderson, a role player averaging 5.7 points who was supposed to make less in one season than Curry makes in one game, revealed himself to be invaluable next to their most valuable players.
The Warriors destroy teams with small-ball lineups when he shares the floor with Curry and Draymond Green. He's a good passer, cutter and shooter on offense with the size, energy and intelligence to switch positions on defense. He knows exactly who he is, what to do and how to exploit the attention that Curry demands. He was even willing to crash into a scorer's table and split open his head to get the ball to the best shooter on earth.
He's also a bargain for the most expensive team in NBA history. His two-way contract paid roughly $450,000—half the salary of the lowest-paid players on league-minimum deals—and the Warriors signing him last week to a $1.7 million contract for next season was a no-brainer. If they could invent someone for their roster, he would be cheap, versatile and complementary to Curry. He would be a lot like this person who already exists.
LINK - https://twitter.com/juanonjuan10/status/1360117559392051201
That person often sounds like someone who can't believe he's paid money to watch Curry, "the Picasso of our time," in the words of Toscano-Anderson. There are still moments when he acts like a fan who happens to be playing in the game.
Toscano-Anderson provided the canvas for one of Curry's finest works this season when he found him for an open look and started celebrating as soon as the ball left his fingertips. He could tell what was going to happen next. He'd seen it happen from every part of the arena.
"Steph's teammate knew it was cash before he even passed it," read a tweet from the website Bleacher Report.
"Hi, I'm Steph's teammate," Toscano-Anderson replied. "My name's Juan."
The thing that stand out to me in that article was that Juan turned down a 6-figure international contract to play in the G-League for $35K.
Folks often wonder why guys leave college early even though they know they won't be drafted, or why guys turn down European/Asian money to play in the G-League.
These guys have been competitive, ego-driven athletes for most of their lives. Supreme confidence in themselves is a huge part of why they achieve what they do. So while I was disappointed that Vander and DJ would leave school when they did, I wasn't shocked by either decision. Nor am I stunned that Juan turned down what had to look like huge money to him (hell, to most anyone) to chase an unlikely dream.
Very proud of Juan. He truly deserves it.
I also loved that Juan called Curry "the Picasso of our time." A great description!
Great article, thanks for sharing, Ska. Has to be the most improbable Marquette NBA player in recent memory.
I loved the "my name's Juan" Twitter interaction. Hilarious.
I'm sure it's been said before - but Jae being on what, his like 7th diff playoff team? Wow! Every team I believe he's ever joined was better record wise after he joined - didn't think he had the athleticism to survive long term but goes to show what 6'6 a sweet stroke and dogged determination can get for you - mu Rah!!!
Matthew's hits a 3 and some good D had the announcers saying what a call by Frank Vogel to insert Matthews into the game.
Wes flipped the game. The lakers were trying to play big with Drummond, but their spacing was awful. Wes stretched the floor and opened the lane for drives. Defensively, he took a huge charge and also drew an illegal screen on Draymond late in the game.
Quote from: MUDPT on May 20, 2021, 05:33:36 AM
Wes flipped the game. The lakers were trying to play big with Drummond, but their spacing was awful. Wes stretched the floor and opened the lane for drives. Defensively, he took a huge charge and also drew an illegal screen on Draymond late in the game.
He also played a lot instead of Shroder who was literally awful
Wes and Juan did Marquette proud.
Next, Wes takes on Jae. And Jimmy will be trying to get the Heat another conference title.
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on May 20, 2021, 07:21:04 AM
Wes and Juan did Marquette proud.
Next, Wes takes on Jae. And Jimmy will be trying to get the Heat another conference title.
We Are Marquette!
And the winner of Wes and Jae may take on Marks
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/02/report-nba-allowing-two-way-players-to-play-unlimited-games-including-playoffs/ (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/02/report-nba-allowing-two-way-players-to-play-unlimited-games-including-playoffs/)
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 20, 2021, 08:47:48 AM
And the winner of Wes and Jae may take on Marks
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/02/report-nba-allowing-two-way-players-to-play-unlimited-games-including-playoffs/ (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/02/report-nba-allowing-two-way-players-to-play-unlimited-games-including-playoffs/)
And Wade owns the Jazz & Doc coaches the Sixers, both 1 seeds
I realize I've completely lost interest in the NBA but I thought I would have heard at least in passing that the Heat moved to Pittsburgh.
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
Quote from: JWags85 on May 22, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
Got some good run there! Maybe he impressed a little in those last few bench games. Go get 'em Markus.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 22, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
Cancer!!
Looking forward to Markus winning a postseason game this year
Quote from: JWags85 on May 22, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
16 minutes and 2/3 from the floor with 2 rebounds so far.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 22, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
Markus Howard 20 minutes 3/5 from the floor 2 rebounds 7 points.
Markus Howard +\- was 2nd Best on the Nuggets Team.
There are definitely a few scoopers who owe me some money after Howard's NBA performance this year. I'm too lazy to look though. You know who you are.
Markus has to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the weird 2-way rules this year. Given his performances early on hard to see how he wouldn't have been sent down under the regular rules. Instead he's made the most of the opportunity and has a shot at a.legit NBA career
Quote from: JWags85 on May 22, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Markus Howard has entered the game and scored. So not only has he played in the NBA in defiance of what many here thought, he's now getting playoff minutes and contributing
Taking down this jacka$$ post and sincerely apologize to all for it.
MH and Compazzo out there at the same time gave me defensive flashbacks to the MH/Rowsey era. Not sure I can ever remember 2 sub 5'10" guards playing together in the NBA.
Not sure that size differential holds up over a game, but they made the most of it. Markus fights his a off, but there's only so much he can do. Props to MH though.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 23, 2021, 09:30:01 AM
Bet the opposite of the majority opinion and narrative here and you'll do very well. Yet, obnoxious know nothings are still never humbled. Just look at their post stats in the tens of thousands.
I know. Crazy, right? I said countless times that he was a 5'10 Curry, that if he had been 6'3 he'd have gone early. Man, those people who used to call him a cancer.
I'll admit it. I didn't think Markus had enough to make a true mark in the NBA. He is an elite shooter, in many was the opposite of Vander, in that he has one A+ skill rather than a cupboard full of B+ ones. And it's true that NBA teams can find ways to use guys with special talent in one area.
Anyway, super happy for him as he's a great kid.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 23, 2021, 09:30:01 AM
Bet the opposite of the majority opinion and narrative here and you'll do very well. Yet, obnoxious know nothings are still never humbled. Just look at their post stats in the tens of thousands.
I said Markus had a legit shot due to his one superior skill. But go ahead and generalize ... because it's a verifiable fact that every single Scooper with lower post numbers predicted that he'd play 20 minutes in playoff games.
For the record, I also am saying Sam Hauser will use a similar skillset to be an NBA player for multiple seasons.
And for the record, no, I didn't think Juan would be an NBA player.
Markus is making the most of his opportunity. Sports are unforgiving especially the higher up you go on the ladder. Every solid game is more proof of concept that he belongs. Would be good if the Nuggets could go deep in the playoff and give Markus more chances to keep developing his niche.
A few years back Jamil was playing well, Had Doc in his corner and then he ran out of two way days, and the Herpes episode put a lid on his chances.
Credit to JB, he was #M2N from the beginning.
Quote from: Newsdreams on May 23, 2021, 03:33:14 PM
Credit to JB, he was #M2N from the beginning.
Yes he was. Bravo!
Great to see Jae have a quality game today in the Suns win over the Lakers
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 30, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
Great to see Jae have a quality game today in the Suns win over the Lakers
Agreed. Tough son of a gun.
He keeps on going. Also some good moments from Wes.
Its hard to argue against the value that CP3 has brought to the Suns and how much him health running the show makes them better
But you could make a legit case that Jae is their second most valuable player.
For most of this series he hasnt been able to hit a shot if his life depended on it. And the Suns have still been far, far, far better whenever hes on the court than when hes off it.
Guy just does so much all around to help the team.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 31, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
Its hard to argue against the value that CP3 has brought to the Suns and how much him health running the show makes them better
But you could make a legit case that Jae is their second most valuable player.
For most of this series he hasnt been able to hit a shot if his life depended on it. And the Suns have still been far, far, far better whenever hes on the court than when hes off it.
Guy just does so much all around to help the team.
I think the Heat are missing the grittiness and team first attitude Jae brings every day.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 31, 2021, 11:57:07 AM
I think the Heat are missing the grittiness and team first attitude Jae brings every day.
Yes very dumb of them to let him go
I get why they didn't. He shot way better than his career average last year in the 20 games plus playoffs with the Heat. (His EFG was 100 points LESS this year with the Suns.) Furthermore the Suns offered him three years, which the Heat were never going to match because they have been setting themselves up for this off-season with some cap space available. Though that Bam contract is pretty bad.
Sure they miss the intangibles he brought to the floor, but with those have gotten them past the Bucks, Nets and Sixers? Highly doubtful.
I love me some Jae Crowder but I think we are wearing some blue and gold glasses here.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 01, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
I get why they didn't. He shot way better than his career average last year in the 20 games plus playoffs with the Heat. (His EFG was 100 points LESS this year with the Suns.) Furthermore the Suns offered him three years, which the Heat were never going to match because they have been setting themselves up for this off-season with some cap space available. Though that Bam contract is pretty bad.
Sure they miss the intangibles he brought to the floor, but with those have gotten them past the Bucks, Nets and Sixers? Highly doubtful.
I love me some Jae Crowder but I think we are wearing some blue and gold glasses here.
I don't follow the heat close enough at all to know if anything else changed but him playing with the heat got them past the bucks last year just to be fair
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 01, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
I don't follow the heat close enough at all to know if anything else changed but him playing with the heat got them past the bucks last year just to be fair
True, but the Bucks are much better this year in my opinion.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 01, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
I get why they didn't. He shot way better than his career average last year in the 20 games plus playoffs with the Heat. (His EFG was 100 points LESS this year with the Suns.) Furthermore the Suns offered him three years, which the Heat were never going to match because they have been setting themselves up for this off-season with some cap space available. Though that Bam contract is pretty bad.
Sure they miss the intangibles he brought to the floor, but with those have gotten them past the Bucks, Nets and Sixers? Highly doubtful.
I love me some Jae Crowder but I think we are wearing some blue and gold glasses here.
Would Jae on the Heat of lead them on the exact same run? Probably not. But he probably helps them win an extra game or 2 to get that much better 4/5 game. He also does give them a better chance in any one series.
Like I said the other day. Just look at the Suns in this series with Jae on the court vs off the court. Guy is shooting like most of us would out there and they are still considerably better just by simply having him on the court
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 01, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
I get why they didn't. He shot way better than his career average last year in the 20 games plus playoffs with the Heat. (His EFG was 100 points LESS this year with the Suns.) Furthermore the Suns offered him three years, which the Heat were never going to match because they have been setting themselves up for this off-season with some cap space available. Though that Bam contract is pretty bad.
Sure they miss the intangibles he brought to the floor, but with those have gotten them past the Bucks, Nets and Sixers? Highly doubtful.
I love me some Jae Crowder but I think we are wearing some blue and gold glasses here.
About 27 teams would trade for Bam in a vacuum (probably not Denver, Utah or Philly).
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 01, 2021, 11:02:56 AM
Would Jae on the Heat of lead them on the exact same run? Probably not. But he probably helps them win an extra game or 2 to get that much better 4/5 game. He also does give them a better chance in any one series.
Like I said the other day. Just look at the Suns in this series with Jae on the court vs off the court. Guy is shooting like most of us would out there and they are still considerably better just by simply having him on the court
Jae is one of my fave MU guys, but 3-and-D guys are pretty common in the league. I think the biggest plus with Jae is his attitude. He never takes a play off - always 100%.That can be infectious.
Quote from: MUDPT on June 01, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
About 27 teams would trade for Bam in a vacuum (probably not Denver, Utah or Philly).
With that contract?
Big opportunity for Jae and the Suns tonight
Markus rode pine today but the Nuggets closed it out and hes moving on to Round 2.
Awesome stuff.
Crowder starting out hot: 3/3 all triples.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 03, 2021, 09:40:46 PM
Markus rode pine today but the Nuggets closed it out and hes moving on to Round 2.
Awesome stuff.
Gives Markus several more chances to add to his body of work. He has to be pumped up the way things are going.
Quote from: CrowdOf5 on June 03, 2021, 09:53:52 PM
Crowder starting out hot: 3/3 all triples.
Bam
Bam
Bam
Hopefully he keeps it up.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 03, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
Bam
Bam
Bam
Hopefully he keeps it up.
Missed heat check but good look
Hopefully Suns come out strong in the second half and close this series out. Would love to see Jae get some more visibility .
Jae Crowder 4-5 from 3 for 12 points and Wes Matthews 7 points so far in the middle of the 3rd Quarter.
Wes is keeping the Lakers in this game along with the Suns melting down. Both MU players have played very well on both ends of the floor.
Jae just dropped the hammer on Lebron. :)
Jae is a very, very divisive topic on twitter.
Quite entertaining
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 04, 2021, 12:15:21 AM
Jae is a very, very divisive topic on twitter.
Quite entertaining
He blocked Lebron twice down the stretch and dropped six threes. He also set the tone with his Bam, Bam, Bam, sequence early. Tremendous performance by Jae tonight.
Jae's little dance at the end was very reminiscent of Buzz' Country Roads affair.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 01, 2021, 04:17:00 PM
With that contract?
23 year old, all defensive team last year, borderline all NBA this year (seen him on some lists, don't think he'll make it). He is the cornerstone of the Heat for the next 10 years to build around. Have you seen who gets max deals these days?
Delighted to see Jae playing a key role in the Suns win.
Also was good to see Wes making contributions for The Lakers
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 04, 2021, 12:15:21 AM
Jae is a very, very divisive topic on twitter.
Not surprising.
I love Jae. One of the best Marquette players of the post-Al era. I'm guessing Al would have loved Jae, too.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 03, 2021, 10:46:28 PM
Hopefully Suns come out strong in the second half and close this series out. Would love to see Jae get some more visibility .
He did. ;D
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 03, 2021, 10:46:28 PM
Hopefully Suns come out strong in the second half and close this series out. Would love to see Jae get some more visibility .
Jae has has unbelievable visibility for the role he plays since his 2017 playoff run with the Celtics (and including riding with JFB to the finals last year).
Everyone who knows the NBA knows Jae.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on June 04, 2021, 01:10:57 PM
Jae has has unbelievable visibility for the role he plays since his 2017 playoff run with the Celtics (and including riding with JFB to the finals last year).
Everyone who knows the NBA knows Jae.
Agree. However, Always want more visibility for all MU guys all the time.
An editor friend of mine just said this of Jae: He is pretty much the ideal example of "not a superstar, but the kind of player every good team needs."
Crowder's amazing Twitter handle only helps the situation.
#BOSSMAN
Quote from: MU82 on June 04, 2021, 06:52:08 PM
An editor friend of mine just said this of Jae: He is pretty much the ideal example of "not a superstar, but the kind of player every good team needs."
Which explains why he has bounced around so much- he's good enough to be a very valuable trade asset, but not so good that you can't trade him.
I wonder if there's ever been a guy who plays the type of minutes he does that has been on more teams? What is he at, 7 teams in 10 seasons? And that's not even counting being traded on draft night.
Quote from: Skip Intro on June 05, 2021, 06:31:20 AM
Which explains why he has bounced around so much- he's good enough to be a very valuable trade asset, but not so good that you can't trade him.
I wonder if there's ever been a guy who plays the type of minutes he does that has been on more teams? What is he at, 7 teams in 10 seasons? And that's not even counting being traded on draft night.
Well, the Suns gave him a real contract: 3 years, $30M. So I think he'll be there for at least a couple years!
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2021, 02:24:32 PM
Well, the Suns gave him a real contract: 3 years, $30M. So I think he'll be there for at least a couple years!
Jae's contracts may be as good a value as you can get in the NBA today.
Would like to see Jae and the Suns continue to do well. One more quality win and they can get to the Western Conference Finals.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 10, 2021, 10:10:43 AM
Would like to see Jae and the Suns continue to do well. One Two more quality win wins of any type and they can get to the Western Conference Finals.
Fixed it
Juan Toscano-Anderson is a finalist for the new Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Social Justice Champion award in the NBA (along with Melo, Jrue Holiday, Harrison Barnes, and Tobias Harris). I think they're trying to make this into something like the NFL Man of the Year award.
If JTA were to win this award I think the University would probably promote it pretty heavily, since it seems to fit the Jesuit mission. Would be good publicity for the program and MU as a whole.
That said, they'll almost certainly give it to one of the bigger name guys.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 11, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
Juan Toscano-Anderson is a finalist for the new Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Social Justice Champion award in the NBA (along with Melo, Jrue Holiday, Harrison Barnes, and Tobias Harris). I think they're trying to make this into something like the NFL Man of the Year award.
If JTA were to win this award I think the University would probably promote it pretty heavily, since it seems to fit the Jesuit mission. Would be good publicity for the program and MU as a whole.
That said, they'll almost certainly give it to one of the bigger name guys.
The good news his name is on the list. Which hopefully means the league in general sees Juan as having a durable career, which is highly beneficial to MU.
https://www.nba.com/warriors/news/juan-toscano-anderson-finalist-social-justice-award-20210611
Another solid night for Jae and Suns. Hope they can keep this momentum up.
Jae and Markus share a hug at end of Suns-Nuggets series.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2021, 09:41:23 PM
Jae and Markus share a hug at end of Suns-Nuggets series.
Markus should write a letter to see if he can get more playing time
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 14, 2021, 06:11:57 AM
Markus should write a letter to see if he can get more playing time
Seriously, it was odd that Malone chose to play Markus only 1 minute in G3 and not at all in G4.
I'm not at all claiming Markus would have made the difference. But the Denver guards, by and large, sucked. And the team needed something. I'd have tried anything and everything, including throwing a guy out there who could make three 3s in a minute to jack up the crowd.
Obviously, Malone knows his team better than I do or anybody else here does, and he did a good job getting his team to the second round without Murray and Barton. It's just a little strange that he couldn't find even 3 or 4 minutes for Markus in a "nothing else is working so why the hell not?" move.
Markus already has played more NBA minutes and spent more time on an NBA roster than many (most?) thought he would. I hope he has earned a "real" contract for next season.
The best photos I could find of our boys playing each other from the past couple of rounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/fPJ8WO6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PNnTZrs.jpg)
Chris Paul on Covid protocol. Hopefully gets cleared before the start of the series.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 16, 2021, 07:21:03 PM
Chris Paul on Covid protocol. Hopefully gets cleared before the start of the series.
CP3 was definitely the best MU PG since Tony Miller
Quote from: JWags85 on June 16, 2021, 07:25:37 PM
CP3 was definitely the best MU PG since Tony Miller
LOL Jae's team ;)
Jimmy with a casual 2nd team all-NBA & 2nd team all-defense to follow up his NBA finals campaign
Jae received a vote for 2nd team all-defense
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on June 16, 2021, 08:22:03 PM
Jimmy with a casual 2nd team all-NBA & 2nd team all-defense to follow up his NBA finals campaign
Jae received a vote for 2nd team all-defense
Jae just one vote is LOL
Jae with a big first half. Found his shooting stroke again. Hopefully the Suns can close out the series tonight.
Four more wins to a ring , Jae!
Anyone know if recruits are at the game?
Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 08:28:27 PM
Anyone know if recruits are at the game?
Leon Bond is an official visit that I assume includes going to the game.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 01, 2021, 08:33:59 PM
Leon Bond is an official visit that I assume includes going to the game.
Hope so, it would be "this is how loud it is here during big games"
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 01, 2021, 08:33:59 PM
Leon Bond is an official visit that I assume includes going to the game.
Man, I was going to say that I hope we bring Scott Merritt in to go to the game with the kid... but he's an associate head coach for UW-Madison's Women's team. Maybe Tony Smith instead?
Edit: For the Tosa East connection
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 01, 2021, 08:33:59 PM
Leon Bond is an official visit that I assume includes going to the game.
Holloman was also visiting today. Guessing they are both there.
Congrats Markus!
https://twitter.com/AndyGold24/status/1410776958183559169
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Holloman was also visiting today. Guessing they are both there.
I might be wrong, but I think his visit ended yesterday morning. His mom posted in the past tense thanking Shaka for the visit yesterday evening.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 02, 2021, 12:51:51 AM
Congrats Markus!
https://twitter.com/AndyGold24/status/1410776958183559169
Nice!
Congratulations to Markus. It is a good thing she isn't one of those 'must be 6 foot or taller' girls.
An even better thing that that was not a thing when I met my wife-to-be.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 02, 2021, 08:06:01 AM
I might be wrong, but I think his visit ended yesterday morning. His mom posted in the past tense thanking Shaka for the visit yesterday evening.
How long do official visits last? I thought it was 2 or 3 days? It seems like during the season recruits visit for a full weekend
Quote from: swoopem on July 02, 2021, 09:33:28 AM
How long do official visits last? I thought it was 2 or 3 days? It seems like during the season recruits visit for a full weekend
I believe it's 48 hours.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 02, 2021, 12:08:08 PM
I believe it's 48 hours.
You are both right. 48 hours or the span of one weekend
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibility-center/recruiting-rules/official-visits#:~:text=At%20all%20levels%2C%20recruits%20can,junior%20year%20of%20high%20school. (https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibility-center/recruiting-rules/official-visits#:~:text=At%20all%20levels%2C%20recruits%20can,junior%20year%20of%20high%20school.)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 02, 2021, 12:51:51 AM
Congrats Markus!
https://twitter.com/AndyGold24/status/1410776958183559169
Congrats Markus . Also nice to see an MU Wire guy continuing to follow the happy couple.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 02, 2021, 12:51:51 AM
Congrats Markus!
https://twitter.com/AndyGold24/status/1410776958183559169
Hard work pays off. Happy for you both.
Jae quoted in AP article previewing the NBA Finals ...
Jae Crowder went to the finals last season with Miami, then chose to sign a three-year deal with Phoenix last summer.
"I knew our potential," Crowder said. "I knew where we could get to, the level of basketball we could play, when I first got here. I just knew it was a special group. I knew we had a chance to do something special."
Quote from: MU82 on July 05, 2021, 08:01:11 AM
Jae quoted in AP article previewing the NBA Finals ...
Jae Crowder went to the finals last season with Miami, then chose to sign a three-year deal with Phoenix last summer.
"I knew our potential," Crowder said. "I knew where we could get to, the level of basketball we could play, when I first got here. I just knew it was a special group. I knew we had a chance to do something special."
Wonder if he is still getting death threats
Reports on the Twatter that JFB was tagging rachel nichols during last season's bubble.
No wonder he had to sell coffee, hey?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 06, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
Reports on the Twatter that JFB was tagging rachel nichols during last season's bubble.
The old Crosby Stills Nash and Young song ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Y
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 06, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
No wonder he had to sell coffee, hey?
He was his own best customer - up all night.
Here is to Jae and the Suns stomping the venison!! Always root for the Marquette connection.
Good luck to the Phoenix Crowders, may they do better than the Miami Butlers.
Quote from: Badgerhater on July 06, 2021, 08:15:24 PM
Good luck to the Phoenix Crowders, may they do better than the Miami Butlers.
Definitely rooting for Jae
Jimmy had quite a coffee enterprise going.
He knew the players received per diem in the form of a 100 and two 20's. He was charging around $10 a cup and when they gave him a 20, he said he didn't have change. When they ran out of 20's he really had them as they couldn't leave the hotel.
Even though Jae had the only FT miss for the Suns all night, he had a darn good, impactful game for a guy who finished with only 1 point.
Jae is close to NBA Brad Davidson. It's open season on Jae slander as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on July 06, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
Jae is close to NBA Brad Davidson. It's open season on Jae slander as far as I'm concerned.
Not worth responding.
Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2021, 10:31:39 PM
Even though Jae had the only FT miss for the Suns all night, he had a darn good, impactful game for a guy who finished with only 1 point.
Game high +19
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on July 06, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
Jae is close to NBA Brad Davidson. It's open season on Jae slander as far as I'm concerned.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/70755053.jpg)
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 07, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/70755053.jpg)
I'm second that. Jae was impressive.
Jae's a Marcus Smart type. He's the kind of guy you love on your team and hate to play. He's pretty much powered by his physicality. Needless to say, he had a terrible game last night in the win.
Quote from: Markusquette on July 07, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
Jae's a Marcus Smart type. He's the kind of guy you love on your team and hate to play. He's pretty much powered by his physicality. Needless to say, he had a terrible game last night in the win.
Umm no he didn't.
His shooting was absolutely rancid. The rest of his game was closer to fantastic than even remotely terrible.
Anyone else see Vander Blue created a logo & merch is coming soon via his twitter.
for a second I thought it was 2014
Quote from: Markusquette on July 07, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
Jae's a Marcus Smart type. He's the kind of guy you love on your team and hate to play. He's pretty much powered by his physicality. Needless to say, he had a terrible game last night in the win.
He actually had an outstanding game. Van Gundy and Jackson said so during it, his coach said so afterwards, and the eye test said so, too. He just couldn't hit a shot.
Nuggets have renamed their G-League team which used to be the Pistons'. Pistons had named it the Grand Rapids Drive (because, cars) and the Nuggets have renamed it............
The Grand Rapids Gold
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1412835283851042822?s=20
Yup. Maybe I will get a chance to see Markus next year.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
Nuggets have renamed their G-League team which used to be the Pistons'. Pistons had named it the Grand Rapids Drive (because, cars) and the Nuggets have renamed it............
The Grand Rapids Gold
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1412835283851042822?s=20
Because, Bricky?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on July 07, 2021, 01:45:26 PM
Anyone else see Vander Blue created a logo & merch is coming soon via his twitter.
for a second I thought it was 2014
Vander throws Tiger Woods, Van Halen and Weezer logos in a blender and comes up with....
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1412504534425817089?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: BrewCity83 on July 07, 2021, 04:52:37 PM
Vander throws Tiger Woods, Van Halen and Weezer logos in a blender and comes up with....
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1412504534425817089?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
cool but how many people will buy from a fringe NBA player/G League star? I mean maybe if he'd built up a name in europe I could see it
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 07, 2021, 05:11:39 PM
cool but how many people will buy from a fringe NBA player/G League star? I mean maybe if he'd built up a name in europe I could see it
A G League star...six years ago.
Maybe we wish him well and hope it catches on the same way we did with Lazar instead of throwing shade at him.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 07, 2021, 06:44:11 PM
Maybe we wish him well and hope it catches on the same way we did with Lazar instead of throwing shade at him.
Oh I do hope the best for him. Just don't want him to have a lifetime of inventory and bills for a graphic designer only to realize he wasn't as big as he thought.
https://www.theringer.com/2021/7/8/22567678/jae-crowder-phoenix-suns-nba-finals-bucks
Great article.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 08, 2021, 02:41:09 PM
https://www.theringer.com/2021/7/8/22567678/jae-crowder-phoenix-suns-nba-finals-bucks
Great article.
Rooting for Jae in this series
Me too, Herm.
Another great article for those with a subscription:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31779114/nba-finals-2021-how-jae-crowder-became-nba-premier-role-player
Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2021, 06:09:28 PM
Another great article for those with a subscription:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31779114/nba-finals-2021-how-jae-crowder-became-nba-premier-role-player
Very in depth article. Tremendous. Thanks for sharing.
Another outstanding performance by Jae. Two wins away from an NBA title.
He'd be the first Warrior/Golden Eagle to win the title since D-Wade, right? Or was there an MU player on the bench of a champion since then?
Quote from: MU82 on July 09, 2021, 08:24:00 AM
Another outstanding performance by Jae. Two wins away from an NBA title.
Yes sir. Jae is fun to watch. That Big East player of the year award was no fluke. The guy does all the little things to win.
Hope the Bucks can make it a series though.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 09, 2021, 08:35:48 AM
Yes sir. Jae is fun to watch. That Big East player of the year award was no fluke. The guy does all the little things to win.
Hope the Bucks can make it a series though.
I guess this is as good of an example as possible of a win-win. Either Milwaukee (somehow) overcomes a 0-2 deficit and wins the championship or Jae Crowder plays on a championship team. Although I have been hoping that the Bucks win, so far the Suns have simply been the better team.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the Jimmy Butler Jungle Cruise commercial. The humorous part is when he said Dwyane booked the cruise.
Found some neat Jimmy Butler art
(https://i.imgur.com/cTckGfg.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cTckGfg.jpg)
So where does DJ Carton get drafted tonight?
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: saucy1_23 on July 29, 2021, 05:44:02 PM
So where does DJ Carton get drafted tonight?
;D ;D ;D
He has been invited to quite a few workouts. So a lot of teams are considering him for late second round. I think if he is not drafted , DJ will sign with some team as a free agent and get a camp invite. Possibly even a two way contract.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 09, 2021, 09:57:03 AM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the Jimmy Butler Jungle Cruise commercial. The humorous part is when he said Dwyane booked the cruise.
Dwayne Johnson...
Quote from: avid1010 on July 29, 2021, 08:01:05 PM
Dwayne Johnson...
The former Marquette player?
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/dwayne_johnson
3 of Shaka's players 6'9" or taller from Texas got drafted last night.
One of the letter writers has signed a two-way with the Celtics.
DJ Carton signed an exhibit 10 contract with the Charlotte Hornets. Guarantees a camp invite and $50,000 bonus if he plays with their G League affiliate.
Nuggets offered Markus a qualifying offer. He is now a restricted free agent.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 31, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Nuggets offered Markus a qualifying offer. He is now a restricted free agent.
Does that mean he's on the team for '21-22? Excuse my ignorance.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 30, 2021, 06:17:44 AM
3 of Shaka's players 6'9" or taller from Texas got drafted last night.
and he could not win a game in NCAA tournament with them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 05:12:28 PM
Does that mean he's on the team for '21-22? Excuse my ignorance.
Yes. He can sign the offer and it is the equivalent of a one year deal and would be an unrestricted FA in 22-23. Or he can get a better offer on the market which has to be at least two years. If he signs that offer sheet, the Nuggets have an opportunity to match or let him go.
Quote from: bilsu on July 31, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
and he could not win a game in NCAA tournament with them.
Then I guess he sucks huh?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2021, 05:27:28 PM
Then I guess he sucks huh?
I have my doubts about Shaka but what happened last March is a shoulder shrug
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2021, 05:30:07 PM
I have my doubts about Shaka but what happened last March is a shoulder shrug
Agree about last March. it happened to Bennett also but then the next year....
Care to share one or two of your doubts?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
Yes. He can sign the offer and it is the equivalent of a one year deal and would be an unrestricted FA in 22-23. Or he can get a better offer on the market which has to be at least two years. If he signs that offer sheet, the Nuggets have an opportunity to match or let him go.
Excellent. Ty.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 31, 2021, 05:43:04 PM
Agree about last March. it happened to Bennett also but then the next year....
Care to share one or two of your doubts?
His Final 4 run was a fluke a decade ago. He inherited a good program at VCU. To his credit, he made it better. He was fine at Texas but he didn't elevate the program. It's possible, maybe likely, there is a low ceiling at Texas but he didn't near it. The further we get from his hire, the lore I think Marquette would have been better served hiring a hungry up and comer but I don't begrudge them for hiring him. It made-makes sense. He's an upgrade over Wojo but I don't think it's as big as many think
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
His Final 4 run was a fluke a decade ago. He inherited a good program at VCU. To his credit, he made it better. He was fine at Texas but he didn't elevate the program. It's possible, maybe likely, there is a low ceiling at Texas but he didn't near it. The further we get from his hire, the lore I think Marquette would have been better served hiring a hungry up and comer but I don't begrudge them for hiring him. It made-makes sense. He's an upgrade over Wojo but I don't think it's as big as many think
Thanks. I knew about that VCU's program prior to Shaka was solid because I lived in Richmond at the time but he really got the students and entire city pumped up about the team and I think some of that resulted in the them exceeding their own expectations. God knows we could use some of that at Marquette.
Fair questions regarding his tenure at Texas. I wanted Moser because I thought we needed a lifer who would eventually develop in Marquette whatever the hell it was that he had at Loyola.
I'm a little skeptical about Shaka but not to the degree you are. I appreciate the reality check.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 31, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Nuggets offered Markus a qualifying offer. He is now a restricted free agent.
Fantastic news for Markus and MU. Having Markus in the league for at least another year is a good thing.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 31, 2021, 06:56:05 PM
Thanks. I knew about that VCU's program prior to Shaka was solid because I lived in Richmond at the time but he really got the students and entire city pumped up about the team and I think some of that resulted in the them exceeding their own expectations. God knows we could use some of that at Marquette.
Fair questions regarding his tenure at Texas. I wanted Moser because I thought we needed a lifer who would eventually develop in Marquette whatever the hell it was that he had at Loyola.
I'm a little skeptical about Shaka but not to the degree you are. I appreciate the reality check.
The program needed an enthusiasm infusion. The Wojo era had sapped all that out and another year, even if successful, wouldn't have mattered. Shaka gives an enthusiasm injection and that is important in my opinion. He still can do a lot do good things and deserves a long leash.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
Yes. He can sign the offer and it is the equivalent of a one year deal and would be an unrestricted FA in 22-23. Or he can get a better offer on the market which has to be at least two years. If he signs that offer sheet, the Nuggets have an opportunity to match or let him go.
He's not guaranteed to be in the league. According to this site:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/2021-nba-qualifying-offer-recap.html
Players on two-way contracts:
Note: Qualifying offers for two-way players are one-year, two-way contracts with a $50K guarantee unless otherwise indicated.
Keita Bates-Diop, Spurs
Jarrell Brantley, Jazz
Note: Brantley's qualifying offer is a one-year, minimum-salary contract with a partial guarantee equivalent to a two-way salary.
Armoni Brooks, Rockets
Amir Coffey, Clippers
Devon Dotson, Bulls
Trent Forrest, Jazz
Josh Hall, Thunder
Nate Hinton, Mavericks
Markus Howard, Nuggets
Thank you. I didn't realize there was a different rule for two-way players.
Markus is listed on the Nuggets summer league roster.
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802 (https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802)
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2021, 05:56:57 PM
Markus is listed on the Nuggets summer league roster.
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802 (https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802)
Markus will do well in the Summer League. Nuggets drafted a larger shooting guard in the first round, however, I think Markus will find a home with the Nuggets on one of the two way positions.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2021, 05:56:57 PM
Markus is listed on the Nuggets summer league roster.
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802 (https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/klask-summer-league-20210802)
To watch Markus Howard: Nuggets v Heat this Sunday at 9pm Central (Summer League, obv)
To watch DJ Carton: Hornets v Trail Blazers this Sunday at 5pm Central
https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/schedule
Mark your calendars for August 10th 6 PM CT.. summer league Markus (Nuggets) vs S. Hauser (Celtics) on ESPNU
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on August 04, 2021, 11:03:30 PM
Mark your calendars for August 10th 6 PM CT.. summer league Markus (Nuggets) vs S. Hauser (Celtics) on ESPNU
Markus your calendars.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on August 04, 2021, 11:03:30 PM
Mark your calendars for August 10th 6 PM CT.. summer league Markus (Nuggets) vs S. Hauser (Celtics) on ESPNU
Markus already has a half million dollar head start on Sam and ended up with the same amount of NCAA Tournament wins as Sam, even though Markus lost out on his last chance to win a Tournament game while Sam joined the reigning national champion and couldn't get one. Sad.
Don't give no chit, hey?
Gonna be uncomfortable for some here when they happily embrace and joke with each other cause they are friends and have gotten over it where a bunch of grown adults here haven't and/or can't.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 05, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Gonna be uncomfortable for some here when they happily embrace and joke with each other cause they are friends and have gotten over it where a bunch of grown adults here haven't and/or can't.
Think Wojo will tweet about it , a la Tom Crean?
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 05, 2021, 12:16:02 PM
Think Wojo will tweet about it , a la Tom Crean?
That would involve Wojo bringing back his Twitter that he deleted.
A little FBF for you
https://www.youtube.com/v/4OkP5_1qb7Y
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 06, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
A little FBF for you
https://www.youtube.com/v/4OkP5_1qb7Y
Wade was the best player on the planet at that point. When he got the look in his eye there was absolutely no stopping him
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 06, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
A little FBF for you
https://www.youtube.com/v/4OkP5_1qb7Y
Two things about this that are absolutely fantastic. First, Jermain O'Neal's block of James is basically ignored because of what happened after.
Second, the reaction of the crowd when they saw the replay.
I love that MJ is all smiles with Pat Riley at the end. What a great moment
That clip gets me pumped up every time
Juan threw out the first pitch at the Oakland A's game:
https://twitter.com/nbcsathletics/status/1423831972753850368?s=21
Not bad for a homeless kid from Tomball.
Miami Heat sign Jimmy Butler to 4-year, $184 million extension
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31973097/miami-heat-sign-jimmy-butler-4-year-184-million-extension
Quote from: shoothoops on August 07, 2021, 07:36:26 AM
Juan threw out the first pitch at the Oakland A's game:
https://twitter.com/nbcsathletics/status/1423831972753850368?s=21
Hometown Hero. Happy for Juan and his family .
Seriously, dat's da best he's got, hey?
https://www.nba.com/hornets/press-releases/charlotte-hornets-sign-dj-carton
Thought they signed him already but just saw this.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 07, 2021, 06:04:43 PM
Seriously, dat's da best he's got, hey?
Steph Curry agrees with Your analysis....
https://twitter.com/StephenCurry30/status/1423832983492907009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1423832983492907009%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcsports.com%2Fbayarea%2Fwarriors%2Fsteph-curry-cracks-joke-about-juan-toscano-andersons-first-pitch
Quote from: saucy1_23 on August 08, 2021, 12:12:16 AM
https://www.nba.com/hornets/press-releases/charlotte-hornets-sign-dj-carton
Thought they signed him already but just saw this.
Heard Kupchak was the one scouting at Wade's Marquette at Tulane game where Wade had like 35 points. Kupchak reported back to the Miami Heat and I think Pat Riley.
DJ Carton with an efficient 8 points on 3-5 shooting in his summer league debut for the Hornets. 16 minutes, 2 rebounds 2 assists
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on August 08, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
DJ Carton with an efficient 8 points on 3-5 shooting in his summer league debut for the Hornets. 16 minutes, 2 rebounds 2 assists
Nice debut for DJ
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on August 08, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
DJ Carton with an efficient 8 points on 3-5 shooting in his summer league debut for the Hornets. 16 minutes, 2 rebounds 2 assists
Just saw some highlights. DJ played very well. On one play, he moved his feet to get in great defensive position, had a strip steal, and then made a perfect 60-foot pass to set up a wide-open 3 that his teammate made.
He'd have contended for BE POY had he stayed, so as an MU fan that's a bummer, but I understand why he left. He's pursuing his dream.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 08, 2021, 12:19:05 PM
Heard Kupchak was the one scouting at Wade's Marquette at Tulane game where Wade had like 35 points. Kupchak reported back to the Miami Heat and I think Pat Riley.
I believe Kupchak was still Lakers GM during Wade's collegiate career.
As Riley tells it, he first moved Wade up his draft board while watching Marquette vs. his beloved UK Wildcats in the tourney.
He was riding an exercise bike in an attempt to ease the stress of an ardent Kentucky fan during that game. Must have logged a lot of miles that day.
Quote from: saucy1_23 on August 08, 2021, 12:12:16 AM
https://www.nba.com/hornets/press-releases/charlotte-hornets-sign-dj-carton
Thought they signed him already but just saw this.
I think they just got around to announcing something that was already agreed to.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/07/d-j-carton-agrees-to-exhibit-10-deal-with-hornets.html
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2021, 07:50:18 AM
Just saw some highlights. DJ played very well. On one play, he moved his feet to get in great defensive position, had a strip steal, and then made a perfect 60-foot pass to set up a wide-open 3 that his teammate made.
He'd have contended for BE POY had he stayed, so as an MU fan that's a bummer, but I understand why he left. He's pursuing his dream.
In a weird way , playing less minutes creates an environment where DJ has to focuses on every play, which allows his athleticism to shine . The lapses he had at MU are not going to be tolerated at this high level and DJ probably recognizes that.
DJ was also one of the few guys who , when measured at the combine, was taller than his listed height in college.
I actually think he will see some playing time in The Association this year. Which I always say helps MU even if he was only here a year.
Mixed bag from DJ tonight. Scored in double figures and had some nice steals and assists, but he had at least a half-dozen turnovers. Bouknight had a boatload of TOs for Charlotte too. Davion Mitchell had a good game for Sacraments.
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2021, 10:22:07 PM
Mixed bag from DJ tonight. Scored in double figures and had some nice steals and assists, but he had at least a half-dozen turnovers. Bouknight had a boatload of TOs for Charlotte too. Davion Mitchell had a good game for Sacraments.
Carton tied for the lead in scoring for Hornets with 13 going 3-5. Giannis's youngest brother Alex didn't play for the Kings but played last game and went 1-2 off the bench.
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 09, 2021, 09:07:45 PM
In a weird way , playing less minutes creates an environment where DJ has to focuses on every play, which allows his athleticism to shine . The lapses he had at MU are not going to be tolerated at this high level and DJ probably recognizes that.
DJ was also one of the few guys who , when measured at the combine, was taller than his listed height in college.
I actually think he will see some playing time in The Association this year. Which I always say helps MU even if he was only here a year.
What combine was DJ at? Not the NBA combine.
Quote from: Jockey on August 10, 2021, 09:35:11 AM
What combine was DJ at? Not the NBA combine.
G League combine.
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2021, 10:22:07 PM
Mixed bag from DJ tonight. Scored in double figures and had some nice steals and assists, but he had at least a half-dozen turnovers. Bouknight had a boatload of TOs for Charlotte too. Davion Mitchell had a good game for Sacraments.
Those six turnovers sound familiar. DJ working every day as a G League Pro will help him clean up his ball handling and allow time to develop his three game. The dude has the talent...
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 10, 2021, 11:04:13 AM
Those six turnovers sound familiar. DJ working every day as a G League Pro will help him clean up his ball handling and allow time to develop his three game. The dude has the talent...
Yes, although I really like DJ's potential and selfishly wish he were still at MU, I admit that the turnover parade made me say, "Welp, we've seen that before!" I do think it's "cure-able," though, and I agree with you that working with good coaches and fellow pros will help him immensely.
Can he make it to the NBA? I'm not sure. But after seeing Juan and Buycks and a few others make it, I sure won't say it can't happen!
DJ looks like one of those guys who's going to have to spend a couple years down in the G League or in Europe working on his game, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in an NBA rotation someday.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 10, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
DJ looks like one of those guys who's going to have to spend a couple years down in the G League or in Europe working on his game, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in an NBA rotation someday.
Which was probably his fate whether he stayed at MU or not. Just as another data point that shows he was probably right to move on from a financial/development perspective.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 10, 2021, 11:04:13 AM
Those six turnovers sound familiar. DJ working every day as a G League Pro will help him clean up his ball handling and allow time to develop his three game. The dude has the talent...
He has NBA athleticism, but what other NBA skills do you see? Ball-handling, passing, shooting, defense are all below NBA level. With other skills still undeveloped, defense becomes more important. As of now, I don't see his D as good enough to warrant a roster spot.
Quote from: Jockey on August 10, 2021, 02:10:13 PM
He has NBA athleticism, but what other NBA skills do you see? Ball-handling, passing, shooting, defense are all below NBA level. With other skills still undeveloped, defense becomes more important. As of now, I don't see his D as good enough to warrant a roster spot.
DJ is aggressive and athletic on offense, and also a willing defender who has a nose for the ball. He also has an "NBA body." He needs improvements in all aspects of his game, but especially ballhandling, decision-making and shooting.
He's a long-shot for the NBA with lots of holes in his game, but so is everybody at his level. So was Juan, so was Buycks, so was Crawford, etc etc etc. A big "we'll see."
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2021, 03:50:55 PM
DJ is aggressive and athletic on offense, and also a willing defender who has a nose for the ball. He also has an "NBA body." He needs improvements in all aspects of his game, but especially ballhandling, decision-making and shooting.
He's a long-shot for the NBA with lots of holes in his game, but so is everybody at his level. So was Juan, so was Buycks, so was Crawford, etc etc etc. A big "we'll see."
I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the league in 2-3 years. As you say, he has the body and there are skills there to work with.
Quote from: Jockey on August 10, 2021, 02:10:13 PM
He has NBA athleticism, but what other NBA skills do you see? Ball-handling, passing, shooting, defense are all below NBA level. With other skills still undeveloped, defense becomes more important. As of now, I don't see his D as good enough to warrant a roster spot.
I'm not picking on you, but its the difference in the thinking of the 80s-90s NBA versus now. Its beyond DJ Carton as the player now, and what he projects to. His flashes and high points are NBA caliber, and that is what is focused on and why he's scouted/projected as an NBA player.
Say you need to be an 8-8.5 to play in the NBA. The NBA is gonna be intrigued byand writers project the 19-20 year old player that flashes 8.5+ even if they are inconsistent, compared to the 23 year old complete 8 who likely is around their peak for any number of reasons.
Look at Bruce Bowen, look at Nassir Little, look at Kevin Porter Jr., look at how unfinished Steven Adams was at Pitt. Countless guys who were not anywhere near NBA level on a consistent basis in college but projected out.
Of course Carton isn't ready to be an NBA PG and play real minutes, but there were a bunch of plays he made last year that made you go WHOA. And it wasn't just being a good athlete. His game will improve by leaps and bounds when thats his full time only job.
Hauser did not look the least bit out of place in the Celtics game tonight. I only saw bits and pieces, but during the times I watched, he swished a 3 from the baseline, missed a trail 3 off the back iron, grabbed a handful of rebounds and was always where he was supposed to be on defense.
His outing didn't leave me swooning, but it also didn't leave me saying, "This guy doesn't belong."
Is Hauser a Marquette player playing in the NBA or a guy who quit on his Marquette teammates and fan base?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 11, 2021, 10:37:18 AM
Is Hauser a Marquette player playing in the NBA or a guy who quit on his Marquette teammates and fan base?
Yeah ... fine line.
Played hard, played injured and mostly played well for 3 years at MU. If one wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, one can say he got caught in a no-win situation and had to choose family over MU for his senior season.
I also forgot there was a specific Hauser thread on the Superbar, so in the future it's probably best to post this stuff there anyway.
I believe I've said this before but the vision of this thread was for players who completed their final year of CBB at MU (DJ, Vander, Carlino, Henry) or have MU degrees before grad transferring (Duane) that are in the NBA, GLeague, or Summer League.
That does not include the Hausers.
Eye'm guessin' if ya ax Sam, heed sai he's a Cavalier, hey?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 11, 2021, 10:51:29 AM
I believe I've said this before but the vision of this thread was for players who completed their final year of CBB at MU (DJ, Vander, Carlino, Henry) or have MU degrees before grad transferring (Duane) that are in the NBA, GLeague, or Summer League.
That does not include the Hausers.
Agreed—-they are quitters. Don't give a sheet about either of them.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 11, 2021, 10:51:29 AM
I believe I've said this before but the vision of this thread was for players who completed their final year of CBB at MU (DJ, Vander, Carlino, Henry) or have MU degrees before grad transferring (Duane) that are in the NBA, GLeague, or Summer League.
That does not include the Hausers.
True, but fans and schools are going to lay claim to any former player who does well in the NBA. If I remember correctly, Carlino came from BYU so they will claim him as well. Both Maryland and Marquette will claim Morsell if he plays in the NBA. Maybe its time to expand the "vision" of this thread and include Sam Hauser. Three years here and we are going to disown him? With the new transfer rules there will be even more players "shared" by two schools. I'm good with laying partial claim to Sam.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2021, 11:23:12 AM
Eye'm guessin' if ya ax Sam, heed sai he's a Cavalier, hey?
And if you axed a Cavalier phan about Sam, heed probly say, "Hoo?" hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2021, 11:23:12 AM
Eye'm guessin' if ya ax Sam, heed sai he's a Cavalier, hey?
Dr. Ebonics:
He's trying to be a Celtic, not a Cavalier.
Though in college he won exactly as many NCAA tournament games as a Cavalier as he did as a Warrior Eagle.
Yes, der iz a Santa Klaws, Virginia, aina?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 11, 2021, 11:38:11 AM
True, but fans and schools are going to lay claim to any former player who does well in the NBA. If I remember correctly, Carlino came from BYU so they will claim him as well. Both Maryland and Marquette will claim Morsell if he plays in the NBA. Maybe its time to expand the "vision" of this thread and include Sam Hauser. Three years here and we are going to disown him? With the new transfer rules there will be even more players "shared" by two schools. I'm good with laying partial claim to Sam.
Luckily there's a lovely Hauser thread for that debate. I think of it like this, was Deonte Burton on the wall at the AL when he was in the NBA? Nope.
I think if some people want to "claim Sam" go for it but that opens up a lot of flood gates what about Haanif? Joey? Steve Taylor? A definitive definition for Marquette guys being degree getters or finishing their college career seems the best bet for me.
If Hauser was from Milwaukee Washington, no one would care
Quote from: JWags85 on August 10, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
I'm not picking on you, but its the difference in the thinking of the 80s-90s NBA versus now. Its beyond DJ Carton as the player now, and what he projects to. His flashes and high points are NBA caliber, and that is what is focused on and why he's scouted/projected as an NBA player.
Say you need to be an 8-8.5 to play in the NBA. The NBA is gonna be intrigued byand writers project the 19-20 year old player that flashes 8.5+ even if they are inconsistent, compared to the 23 year old complete 8 who likely is around their peak for any number of reasons.
Look at Bruce Bowen, look at Nassir Little, look at Kevin Porter Jr., look at how unfinished Steven Adams was at Pitt. Countless guys who were not anywhere near NBA level on a consistent basis in college but projected out.
Of course Carton isn't ready to be an NBA PG and play real minutes, but there were a bunch of plays he made last year that made you go WHOA. And it wasn't just being a good athlete. His game will improve by leaps and bounds when thats his full time only job.
I think we are agreeing here. I said he was not NBA ready other than athleticism, but the other skills were there (not fully)to be developed. I have also argued many times in this thread and others that a player's college or stats are really pretty meaningless. Everything is based on what the player projects to be when fully developed. None of DJs skills are totally broken, but they all need refinement. A year or two in the G League could do wonders for him Or not. We will see.
I watched the Bucks summer league team today and I really like the Georgios Kalaitzakis kid. Very refined game compared to most guys in the 2nd round or FAs. Great size - 6'7" for a '2'. Without any practice, he stepped on the floor today and looked like he knew what he wanted to do. Needs a year or two to add 10-15 pounds and some strength.
Speaking of Hauser, led the Celtics in scoring tonight 21 points, 4 rebounds 7 assists on 7-12 (6-10 from 3)
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on August 12, 2021, 08:36:45 PM
Speaking of Hauser, led the Celtics in scoring tonight 21 points, 4 rebounds 7 assists on 7-12 (6-10 from 3)
Too bad we got little brother to MU...
Markus Howard hasn't played in the summer league yet. He's got covid and may miss the whole season/session
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 12, 2021, 10:15:55 PM
Markus Howard hasn't played in the summer league yet. He's got covid and may miss the whole season/session
Have you seen it announced that he actually has COVID? I saw he's in protocols. He was in protocol back in March but that was due to contact tracing. A bunch of Nuggets are out so I wonder if its the same issue
Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2021, 11:06:20 PM
Have you seen it announced that he actually has COVID? I saw he's in protocols. He was in protocol back in March but that was due to contact tracing. A bunch of Nuggets are out so I wonder if its the same issue
Good pushback. Just protocols officially. The fanbase is certain he'll be out for the rest of the summer, but groupthink doesn't really amount to much.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2021, 11:06:20 PM
Have you seen it announced that he actually has COVID? I saw he's in protocols. He was in protocol back in March but that was due to contact tracing. A bunch of Nuggets are out so I wonder if its the same issue
If a player is vaccinated, is he required to sit if he was in close contact with someone who tested positive?
I thought the NBA said there are no quarantine requirements following contact tracing issues.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2021, 11:06:20 PM
Have you seen it announced that he actually has COVID? I saw he's in protocols. He was in protocol back in March but that was due to contact tracing. A bunch of Nuggets are out so I wonder if its the same issue
A couple of the other guys that were out right away with him have returned I believe.
So if Markus doesnt actually have symptoms he appears to be testing positive.
Deonte Burton re-emerged in the NBA Summer League for the Nuggets .
https://twitter.com/thehurryupnba/status/1427810087498813443?s=21
Sad!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2021, 08:44:45 AM
https://twitter.com/thehurryupnba/status/1427810087498813443?s=21
Sad!
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take".
Jae using lowercase letters?
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FairShyGuineafowl-max-1mb.gif)
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 18, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
Jae using lowercase letters?
OMG are you saying rocket is actually Jae Crowder?
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 18, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
Jae using lowercase letters?
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FairShyGuineafowl-max-1mb.gif)
I actually had the same thought, lol
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 18, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
Jae using lowercase letters?
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FairShyGuineafowl-max-1mb.gif)
Hopefully it's fake. Jae has had a tough go of it on social media and his love life.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 18, 2021, 12:26:27 PM
Hopefully it's fake. Jae has had a tough go of it on social media and his love life.
Sliding into someone's DMs is a thing. Nothing embarrassing about it. Anytime he messages anyone this could happen and I'm sure he isn't worried about it.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 19, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
Sliding into someone's DMs is a thing. Nothing embarrassing about it. Anytime he messages anyone this could happen and I'm sure he isn't worried about it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE3nMqrXkAEUVIO.jpg)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 19, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
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Did he actually propose or was this a joke thing?
You're not asking this question seriously, are you?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 19, 2021, 02:03:26 PM
You're not asking this question seriously, are you?
I dunno, I don't exactly keep up to tabs on Celeb news even when they're MU affiliated.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 19, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
I dunno, I don't exactly keep up to tabs on Celeb news even when they're MU affiliated.
Agreed, I didn't know anything either, so I googled it for you. Quite the story:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/d6mckv/jae_crowder_i_proposed_lastnight_she_said_no/f0upmw4/
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 19, 2021, 03:25:47 PM
Agreed, I didn't know anything either, so I googled it for you. Quite the story:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/d6mckv/jae_crowder_i_proposed_lastnight_she_said_no/f0upmw4/
Headaches like this are one reason I didn't pursue a career in the NBA.
That, and being terrible at basketball.
Haven't verified but cool if true.
Dwyane Wade is the shortest person ever in the NBA to reach 1000 dunks.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 21, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
Haven't verified but cool if true.
Dwyane Wade is the shortest person ever in the NBA to reach 1000 dunks.
Similarly, he owns the NBA blocks record for players 6'4" & under by a country mile (set the record in 2013 then racked up 200+ more after that)
https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/19125/inside-dwyane-wades-all-time-blocks-mark
Unreal combination of instincts, awareness, and explosiveness
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on August 23, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
Unreal combination of instincts, awareness, and explosiveness
Don't forget long-ass arms! 6'11" wing span on a 6'4" guard.
Sounds like this Wade guy was quite a player.
Who knew?
My Wade bobble head is the coolest thing in my office. Love that guy.
Sorry if I missed this somewhere else, but Jonathan Givony (of draftexpress.com) released his 2022 NBA Draft Top 100 today, and Justin Lewis checked in at #40. Link below but behind a paywall. His mock draft from about a month ago had Lewis going #39 to the Kings.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32073102/2022-nba-draft-top-100-updated-prospect-list-key-storylines-return-upperclassman (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32073102/2022-nba-draft-top-100-updated-prospect-list-key-storylines-return-upperclassman)
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 25, 2021, 06:04:45 PM
Sorry if I missed this somewhere else, but Jonathan Givony (of draftexpress.com) released his 2022 NBA Draft Top 100 today, and Justin Lewis checked in at #40. Link below but behind a paywall. His mock draft from about a month ago had Lewis going #39 to the Kings.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32073102/2022-nba-draft-top-100-updated-prospect-list-key-storylines-return-upperclassman (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32073102/2022-nba-draft-top-100-updated-prospect-list-key-storylines-return-upperclassman)
Wow.
I like JL and I think he can be a nice college player. But looking at him, I didn't see a top-30 player in the entire nation -- which is basically what he is if he's going 39th, what with international players not at US colleges mixed in.
If he plays to that level, it will bode very well for the upcoming season!
Quote from: MU82 on August 25, 2021, 07:48:05 PM
Wow.
I like JL and I think he can be a nice college player. But looking at him, I didn't see a top-30 player in the entire nation -- which is basically what he is if he's going 39th, what with international players not at US colleges mixed in.
If he plays to that level, it will bode very well for the upcoming season!
I see him as a top 30 player when I put my blue and gold glasses on.
Seriously, I think he has NBA talent but not now. Pat myself on the back, I said Jimmy was NBA talent his first year at MU. I also endorsed Wojo's extension. So take it for what is worth. Not much.
No team has signed Wes Matthews for next season. Wes may be getting some consideration from Indiana as a potential injury replacement for Edmond Sumner
https://www.si.com/nba/pacers/news/possible-signing-an-nba-vet-whos-played-for-the-new-york-knicks-milwaukee-bucks-dallas-mavericks-portland-trail-blazers-utah-jazz-and-more
I love Wes, but he didn't have a very good end to his time with the Bucks and had a pretty poor series with the Lakers v. the Suns this year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
No team has signed Wes Matthews for next season. Wes may be getting some consideration from Indiana as a potential injury replacement for Edmond Sumner
https://www.si.com/nba/pacers/news/possible-signing-an-nba-vet-whos-played-for-the-new-york-knicks-milwaukee-bucks-dallas-mavericks-portland-trail-blazers-utah-jazz-and-more
Heat have an open roster spot and a need for minimum contracts
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on September 21, 2021, 09:46:41 AM
Heat have an open roster spot and a need for minimum contracts
Wes would be a good fit with the Heat
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 20, 2021, 12:37:39 PM
I love Wes, but he didn't have a very good end to his time with the Bucks and had a pretty poor series with the Lakers v. the Suns this year.
He's turning 35 in a few weeks, too. I'm sure he'll get a vet minimum one-year contract somewhere this season, but I think his career is coming to a natural close. And what a career it has been.
Quote from: Skip Intro on September 21, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
He's turning 35 in a few weeks, too. I'm sure he'll get a vet minimum one-year contract somewhere this season, but I think his career is coming to a natural close. And what a career it has been.
This.
Quote from: Skip Intro on September 21, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
He's turning 35 in a few weeks, too. I'm sure he'll get a vet minimum one-year contract somewhere this season, but I think his career is coming to a natural close. And what a career it has been.
Especially with his Achilles injury right before a big potential payday. Although, he still did better on that contract than most thought.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 21, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Especially with his Achilles injury right before a big potential payday. Although, he still did better on that contract than most thought.
I think Wes' professional career in general was better than just about anyone anticipated. Even with the lessening of his "big payday" due to his injury, a career earnings north of 100 mil for an undrafted player had never been done before.
https://ca.nba.com/news/who-are-highest-paid-undrafted-players-of-all-time-fred-vanvleet-wesley-matthews-wallace-barea-bowen/1nsynn9r9lofv1p8rlrgzdlb57
I believe that the 2021 Duncan Robinson contract surpassed VV, but in terms of lifetime earnings, Wes is going to be at or near the top of the list for a very long time.
VanVleet's current contract gets him within a few million bucks of Wes. He's only be 30 when the contract ends, so assuming he'll still be a valuable player -- which he certainly will be if he's healthy -- his career earnings eventually will pass those of Wes.
Regardless, it is quite a credit to our guy that he has had such a long, prosperous career -- better even than most Marquette players who WERE drafted. Wes was a fave of mine, and I'm very happy for him.
Quote from: Its DJOver on September 21, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
I think Wes' professional career in general was better than just about anyone anticipated. Even with the lessening of his "big payday" due to his injury, a career earnings north of 100 mil for an undrafted player had never been done before.
https://ca.nba.com/news/who-are-highest-paid-undrafted-players-of-all-time-fred-vanvleet-wesley-matthews-wallace-barea-bowen/1nsynn9r9lofv1p8rlrgzdlb57
I believe that the 2021 Duncan Robinson contract surpassed VV, but in terms of lifetime earnings, Wes is going to be at or near the top of the list for a very long time.
Who is the best NBA player to go undrafted? Ben Wallace comes to mind. I'm sure there's others but Big Ben has to be up there. Hall of famer, multiple times defensive player of the year, and a champion.
Quote from: swoopem on September 22, 2021, 07:42:20 AM
Who is the best NBA player to go undrafted? Ben Wallace comes to mind. I'm sure there's others but Big Ben has to be up there. Hall of famer, multiple times defensive player of the year, and a champion.
I think he's pretty much the undisputed number 1. John Starks is up there.
I think with the G-League and number of players who start overseas and make their way back, its a bit different than just being undrafted and finding your way to an NBA roster like they did, or Wes did.
There are collegiate stars who dont even flame out, but just find their way out of the league after 1-2 contracts, 5-6 years. So for Wes to not only stick as an undrafted guy, but play 12 years, is an incredible testament to him, his grind, and his durability.
Quote from: Its DJOver on September 21, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
I think Wes' professional career in general was better than just about anyone anticipated. Even with the lessening of his "big payday" due to his injury, a career earnings north of 100 mil for an undrafted player had never been done before.
https://ca.nba.com/news/who-are-highest-paid-undrafted-players-of-all-time-fred-vanvleet-wesley-matthews-wallace-barea-bowen/1nsynn9r9lofv1p8rlrgzdlb57
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While true, the $100M club was pretty small before Wes came into the league. Guys inducted into the Hall when he was coming in like Pippen, Ewing, and Malone barely cleared $100M for their careers. Stockton, Barkley, and Wilkins didn't get there. Salaries really exploded in the 2000s, so it's not surprising no one accomplished that before him.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 22, 2021, 09:32:21 AM
I think he's pretty much the undisputed number 1. John Starks is up there.
I think with the G-League and number of players who start overseas and make their way back, its a bit different than just being undrafted and finding your way to an NBA roster like they did, or Wes did.
There are collegiate stars who dont even flame out, but just find their way out of the league after 1-2 contracts, 5-6 years. So for Wes to not only stick as an undrafted guy, but play 12 years, is an incredible testament to him, his grind, and his durability.
Bruce Bowen would be another.
Connie Hawkins wuzant drafted inta da Association, hey?
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
No Bulls jersey? Outrageous!
Where are the IU shorts?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
That's pretty sweet.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
That's pretty sweet. Crean has the same one, but has him at the bottom holding that up like Atlas does the Earth.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
Disrespectful to the prestigious Cavaliers franchise.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
DWade's new tattoo
(https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/S8zmXa6.jpg)
MU's Jersey is lowest, lost all love for MU
Closest to his heart.
The Hornets cut DJ Carton but retained his G League rights, so he could still play for their Greensboro entry in that league.
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 08:17:15 AM
The Hornets cut DJ Carton but retained his G League rights, so he could still play for their Greensboro entry in that league.
The G League would be a good landing spot for DJ. He can work on the skills he will need to move up.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 09, 2021, 09:47:17 AM
The G League would be a good landing spot for DJ. He can work on the skills he will need to move up.
It's Greensboro, it's Greensboro!
ESPN's 2022 draft top 100 has Justin Lewis at #41:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32375218/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-moved-pro-days
I get that this season will be unpredictable, and we don't have one particular go-to scorer, but the pieces are there to really surprise the league.
FWIW, Dawson Garcia is #70 on this list.
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 12, 2021, 08:43:33 AM
ESPN's 2022 draft top 100 has Justin Lewis at #41:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32375218/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-moved-pro-days
I get that this season will be unpredictable, and we don't have one particular go-to scorer, but the pieces are there to really surprise the league.
FWIW, Dawson Garcia is #70 on this list.
Justin>Dawson
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 12, 2021, 08:43:33 AM
ESPN's 2022 draft top 100 has Justin Lewis at #41:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32375218/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-moved-pro-days
I get that this season will be unpredictable, and we don't have one particular go-to scorer, but the pieces are there to really surprise the league.
FWIW, Dawson Garcia is #70 on this list.
Not rooting against Garcia in life but would genuinely love to see Justin skyrocket past him on the national level.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 12, 2021, 09:48:14 AM
Not rooting against Garcia in life but would genuinely love to see Justin skyrocket past him on the national level.
Definitely agree - I have no ill will toward DG. I really just found the comparison interesting because I think many people, even on this board, would have had the inverse. Seems like the experts have been seeing things in Lewis this summer that has surprised them.
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 12, 2021, 10:06:02 AM
Definitely agree - I have no ill will toward DG. I really just found the comparison interesting because I think many people, even on this board, would have had the inverse. Seems like the experts have been seeing things in Lewis this summer that has surprised them.
Scouts were on him pre-injury last year. He's got the physical gifts to have a long NBA career. Can his defense/jumper improve enough to get him there?
If Justin is a mid second round pick this team should dance. He's certainly not getting drafted on his defense. So that means we'll have an alpha on offense and the defense should be solid.
Kind of MU NBA related....Zaire Wade is signing with the G League to play for Utah's affiliate.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 12, 2021, 11:32:01 AM
Kind of MU NBA related....Zaire Wade is signing with the G League to play for Utah's affiliate.
Ah nepotism.
Quote from: BLM on October 12, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
Ah nepotism.
Forgot D-Wade had an ownership stake. Is he bypassing college?
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 12, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
Forgot D-Wade had an ownership stake. Is he bypassing college?
yes. I guess he didn't sign with anyone after last season and per ESPN (76, 3 star rating) was last at Brewster Academy. He had offers from DePaul, URI, Nebraska, and Toledo (MU connection with Coach K).
It's not like he needs the money so why not take advantage of family connections and play pro?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 12, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
yes. I guess he didn't sign with anyone after last season and per ESPN (76, 3 star rating) was last at Brewster Academy. He had offers from DePaul, URI, Nebraska, and Toledo (MU connection with Coach K).
It's not like he needs the money so why not take advantage of family connections and play pro?
Not to mention he'll be 20 years old in February. He was originally a 2020 recruit, I believe, then reclassified to 2021, and is now several months into the academic year.
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1448839900896370688?t=1qOkaf1JM8AYzkv4QTedbg&s=19
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 15, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1448839900896370688?t=1qOkaf1JM8AYzkv4QTedbg&s=19
The kid is good at the sport.
Still strikes as bizarre that 30% of Scoop wanted to disown any association with him and constantly disparaged him during the latter half of his MU career.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 15, 2021, 09:49:55 AM
The kid is good at the sport.
Still strikes as bizarre that 30% of Scoop wanted to disown any association with him and constantly disparaged him during the latter half of his MU career.
Or in the seven years of Wojo, Markus is the only favorable memory that will stick with us. Everything else was meh.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 15, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Or in the seven years of Wojo, Markus is the only favorable memory that will stick with us. Everything else was meh.
Lewis's tip-in against the Badgers will stick with me too.
Quote from: forgetful on October 15, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
Lewis's tip-in against the Badgers will stick with me too.
Beating Wisconsin a few times. And beating number one Villanova.
But, the lack of postseason success and our team mostly getting worse as the seasons went along we're damning.
Markus is a great representative of MU. I wish him nothing but the best.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 15, 2021, 10:20:30 AM
Beating Wisconsin a few times. And beating number one Villanova.
But, the lack of postseason success and our team mostly getting worse as the seasons went along we're damning.
The Nova win was great for the students. What I remember is losing 4 out of the next five to middling to poor teams.
Lewis tip in was exciting. Tempered by three straight home BE blow outs to start conference.
Ellenson at Madison. Sam at Creighton or GU. Garcia versus UNC. Same tempered footnote as what came next to build on. The post-season blowouts. Wojo was a momentum and memory killer.
Many will argue that Markus was tempered by Hausergate. To me, there was excitement every time MH laced them up. You didn't know what else incredible we would see. That Buffalo performance was special and MU actually built on it. That is a lasting memory.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 15, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
The Nova win was great for the students. What I remember is losing 4 out of the next five to middling to poor teams.
Lewis tip in was exciting. Tempered by three straight home BE blow outs to start conference.
Ellenson at Madison. Sam at Creighton or GU. Garcia versus UNC. Same tempered footnote as what came next to build on. The post-season blowouts. Wojo was a momentum and memory killer.
Many will argue that Markus was tempered by Hausergate. To me, there was excitement every time MH laced them up. You didn't know what else incredible we would see. That Buffalo performance was special and MU actually built on it. That is a lasting memory.
As usual, spot on Doc.
That Buffalo game was my favorite game of the Wojo era. Two really good teams, a soaked crowd on a Friday night, and an all-time great performance from Markus.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 15, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1448839900896370688?t=1qOkaf1JM8AYzkv4QTedbg&s=19
Letters written and players demanding to be traded.
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 15, 2021, 11:51:07 AM
Letters written and players demanding to be traded.
Who was guarding him? Leadfoot Joey Hauser?
Damn. I was hoping to see him play with the Gold.
Quote from: tower912 on October 15, 2021, 12:07:01 PM
Damn. I was hoping to see him play with the Gold.
Are you secretly Tom Crean?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 15, 2021, 09:49:55 AM
The kid is good at the sport.
Still strikes as bizarre that 30% of Scoop wanted to disown any association with him and constantly disparaged him during the latter half of his MU career.
Plus Tax
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 15, 2021, 01:25:45 PM
Are you secretly Tom Crean?
That may be the worst insult I have ever received.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 15, 2021, 09:49:55 AM
The kid is good at the sport.
Still strikes as bizarre that 30% of Scoop wanted to disown any association with him and constantly disparaged him during the latter half of his MU career.
It is wild! Good human who was a great player and a big mental health and MU advocate.
There is some turd on Twitter who posts on almost every Howard highlight tweet putting him down and talking about "zero basketball iq" and "set our program (Marquette) back decades in basketball"
It's quite hilarious. The dude is killing it and such fun to watch.
Quote from: fjm on October 15, 2021, 02:48:25 PM
It is wild! Good human who was a great player and a big mental health and MU advocate.
There is some turd on Twitter who posts on almost every Howard highlight tweet putting him down and talking about "zero basketball iq" and "set our program (Marquette) back decades in basketball"
It's quite hilarious. The dude is killing it and such fun to watch.
Gotta be a Hauser.
Or a scooper.
I always root for MU Alumni to do well in The Association of any other league they are in.
It helps the MU Cause.
So hopefully Markus can get some playing time in the regular season and continue to grow as a player.
Quote from: Skip Intro on October 15, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
Gotta be a Hauser.
Quote from: tower912 on October 15, 2021, 02:58:56 PM
Or a scooper.
My money's on this guy:Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 21, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
I don't worship the Hausers, although them leaving was one the darkest days in recent MU history. I also think we'd have been a much better team if they'd stayed and Markus left.
You can keep bringing it up like it's some outrageous claim, but guess what? He WAS a cancer! Players who tear teams apart are cancers. And frankly, there's a large
Percentage of fans who agree with me. My guess is his teammates do, too.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 15, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Or in the seven years of Wojo, Markus is the only favorable memory that will stick with us. Everything else was meh.
Yup. Watching Markus at MU was a damn treat, it was unfortunate team success didn't come with it.
I will say that the season where MU started like 23-4, which Markus and the Hausers were a big part of, is my most favorable memory of the wojo era. Despite the disastrous and catastrophic finish that team was fun as hell, awesome to watch and root for, until the wheels fell off...
I always told myself when Buzz left that MU fans were in for some dark days because that success under Buzz had us spoiled rotten.
Similarly, I think MU fans are in for some major disappointment if we think we will ever see as special of a scorer as MH. During those games when that ball just won't make its way into the hoop we will realize it.
That said, overall team success under Shaka, with a renewed passion for defense to go along with a profound improvement in athleticism and effort, will hopefully make us completely forget about the previous era.
Quote from: MU82 on October 15, 2021, 06:20:51 PM
My money's on this guy:
I'm not the Twitter guy of which you speak, but the post you dug up is as true today as the day I posted it.
I'll give credit to Howard for one thing...he exposed Wojo. I guess that means you can add "coach killer" to his resume.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on October 16, 2021, 05:40:48 AM
I'm not the Twitter guy of which you speak, but the post you dug up is as true today as the day I posted it.
I'll give credit to Howard for one thing...he exposed Wojo. I guess that means you can add "coach killer" to his resume.
Michigan State just had its worst season since Tom Izzo's first year.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 16, 2021, 09:01:59 AM
Michigan State just had its worst season since Tom Izzo's first year.
Yeah I think Joey was a bigger problem than Markus in retrospect. Sam and Markus seemed just fine until Little Bro showed up.
But that's all in the past and hopefully we are in a better place now.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 16, 2021, 09:33:01 AM
Yeah I think Joey was a bigger problem than Markus in retrospect. Sam and Markus seemed just fine until Little Bro showed up.
But that's all in the past and hopefully we are in a better place now.
Say what you will about the Hausers but everywhere they go, bad things happen to teams. It's a pattern at this point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2021, 09:55:31 AM
Say what you will about the Hausers but everywhere they go, bad things happen to teams. It's a pattern at this point.
Not sure that's the case with Sam.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 15, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1448839900896370688?t=1qOkaf1JM8AYzkv4QTedbg&s=19
Thank You for posting. Someone texted me this right after it happened. Difficult to do in any NBA game Awesome news!
Juan looking good. Just drilled a triple from deep.
Jimmy and The Heat spanking the Bucks
Jimmy with 36 on 15-21 shooting in Heat win over Magic
Villanova point guard running the offense.
Quote from: tower912 on October 26, 2021, 05:06:13 AM
Villanova point guard running the offense.
Superbar ;D
I'm not sure people have noticed but Jimmy Buckets is seriously balling early in the NBA season. We're talking prime-time performances and dominating in every facet of the game.
He has a PG setting him up. He doesn't have to initiate offense.
Quote from: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 08:04:49 AM
He has a PG setting him up. He doesn't have to initiate offense.
Goran Dragic isn't a PG?
Not like Lowry. And Dragic's absence made a difference in the finals against LA.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 31, 2021, 12:58:50 AM
I'm not sure people have noticed but Jimmy Buckets is seriously balling early in the NBA season. We're talking prime-time performances and dominating in every facet of the game.
Jimmy has been a top-20 NBA player for years now. People have noticed!
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 31, 2021, 12:58:50 AM
I'm not sure people have noticed but Jimmy Buckets is seriously balling early in the NBA season. We're talking prime-time performances and dominating in every facet of the game.
I have been enjoying his strong performance .
Quote from: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 08:50:08 AM
Not like Lowry. And Dragic's absence made a difference in the finals against LA.
His absence 100% made a difference, not arguing there. But otherwise its splitting hairs. Dragic isn't a bum, he's a really good accomplished player. Lowry is also a very good PG but not an all world PG. So saying that suddenly Jimmy is a world beater cause he has some huge upgrade at PG just seems nonsensical.
More likely he and his team finally had a full offseason to rest, recover, and improve and came back at 100% ready to rock.
In theory, I agree with you. Dragic isn't a bum and Lowry is old. However, Jimmy and Bam have been vocal about Lowry.
Jimmy has been initiating the offence for the Heat for the past 2 years, and finally he has Lowry doing that for him so he can get aggressive about scoring. I love Dragic, but Jimmy has averaged nearly 2x the assists that Goran had the past couple years.
Goran is the better scorer, but Lowry is the better floor general and defender. Goran also struggled to be on the floor for 30-35 minutes per game. Butler is unlocked to aggressively score and play defense instead of being responsible for getting the guys going.
I really like this heat team with Lowry. I also want The Dragon back since he's getting DNPs up in Toronto.
Not sure where to put this. Brendan Bailey gets the start for the Salt Lake City G league team. Zaire Wade comes off the bench to score 10. Carton goes for 15 for Greensboro
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/SLCOKL/ (https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/SLCOKL/)
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/BIRGBO/ (https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/BIRGBO/)
i don't recall juan using the "toscano" name when he was with us. avg about 13 min/game on a 7-1 team- good to see!
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on November 06, 2021, 07:09:18 AM
i don't recall juan using the "toscano" name when he was with us. avg about 13 min/game on a 7-1 team- good to see!
He didn't, I believe he started using the hyphenated once he started playing for the Mexican National Team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2021, 07:18:04 AM
He didn't, I believe he started using the hyphenated once he started playing for the Mexican National Team.
This is correct, because he is of Mexican descent he can play in Mexican league as a native Mexican. In MĂ©xico like in most pro foreign leagues there is a limit of foreign players per team. Same reason he can represent MĂ©xico, as long as he had not played for any other national team, even under the an "under" teams, then that federation needs to issue a release.
Sam with 27 for Celtics G League team
https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/sam-hauser-with-27-points-vs-college-park-skyhawks/n-5761615
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 06, 2021, 05:26:30 AM
Not sure where to put this. Brendan Bailey gets the start for the Salt Lake City G league team. Zaire Wade comes off the bench to score 10. Carton goes for 15 for Greensboro
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/SLCOKL/ (https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/SLCOKL/)
DJ also posterized someone last night. Regardless of how last season ended, it was always refreshing when he had some crazy dunk.
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/BIRGBO/ (https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211105/BIRGBO/)
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2021, 09:56:11 AM
Sam with 27 for Celtics G League team
https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/sam-hauser-with-27-points-vs-college-park-skyhawks/n-5761615
And one Tweet rejection by his own franchise.
Markus was not sent down to the Grand Rapids Gold for their G Leauge season opener. Has had 4 cameo appearances with the Nuggets this season. Maybe the Nuggets feel he is better off practicing with the NBA team.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Markus was not sent down to the Grand Rapids Gold for their G Leauge season opener. Has had 4 cameo appearances with the Nuggets this season. Maybe the Nuggets feel he is better off practicing with the NBA team.
The brightside is that he did play 5 meaningful minutes in the last game. He does need to do what he does best when he gets in there, though. Do not be afraid to make scoring plays.
I'm sitting in my office on my computer. In the next room, I have the Warriors-Sixers game on. And about every 30 seconds, I hear ESPN announcer Ryan Ruocco screaming, "Toscano Anderson!" ... and I have to get up to go watch a replay of Juan's latest play.
Juan is having a game, with a variety of dunks, drives, rebounds, passes, etc. And he is getting some serious love from Ruocco and an analyst Richard Jefferson, who was in the league forever.
Ruocco also quoted a San Francisco Chronicle article in which Juan said he'd rather be a bench player for a fine team like Golden State -- even if it means there are nights he doesn't play at all -- than a guy who gets more playing time on a losing team. Juan said he learned that lesson at Marquette, when he went from little-used reserve on some real good teams to one of the main men on a bad team.
I would have bet almost anything that Juan would never have seen 1 second on the court for an NBA team. Good for him for working his arse off and becoming a contributor to a real good franchise.
Quote from: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 11:39:24 PM
I'm sitting in my office on my computer. In the next room, I have the Warriors-Sixers game on. And about every 30 seconds, I hear ESPN announcer Ryan Ruocco screaming, "Toscano Anderson!" ... and I have to get up to go watch a replay of Juan's latest play.
Juan is having a game, with a variety of dunks, drives, rebounds, passes, etc. And he is getting some serious love from Ruocco and an analyst Richard Jefferson, who was in the league forever.
Ruocco also quoted a San Francisco Chronicle article in which Juan said he'd rather be a bench player for a fine team like Golden State -- even if it means there are nights he doesn't play at all -- than a guy who gets more playing time on a losing team. Juan said he learned that lesson at Marquette, when he went from little-used reserve on some real good teams to one of the main men on a bad team.
I would have bet almost anything that Juan would never have seen 1 second on the court for an NBA team. Good for him for working his arse off and becoming a contributor to a real good franchise.
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He was impressive tonight. Just an all around player. Very Draymond Green like.
Quote from: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 11:39:24 PM
I'm sitting in my office on my computer. In the next room, I have the Warriors-Sixers game on. And about every 30 seconds, I hear ESPN announcer Ryan Ruocco screaming, "Toscano Anderson!" ... and I have to get up to go watch a replay of Juan's latest play.
Juan is having a game, with a variety of dunks, drives, rebounds, passes, etc. And he is getting some serious love from Ruocco and an analyst Richard Jefferson, who was in the league forever.
Ruocco also quoted a San Francisco Chronicle article in which Juan said he'd rather be a bench player for a fine team like Golden State -- even if it means there are nights he doesn't play at all -- than a guy who gets more playing time on a losing team. Juan said he learned that lesson at Marquette, when he went from little-used reserve on some real good teams to one of the main men on a bad team.
I would have bet almost anything that Juan would never have seen 1 second on the court for an NBA team. Good for him for working his arse off and becoming a contributor to a real good franchise.
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I just watched the last 30 mins at SFO but the sound was off. Juan was absolutely brilliant. 13, 6, 6, 1, 1, and 6-6 from the field. He completely dominated the game when the Warriors took over. :) It's kind of amazing the talent we had during his years at MU. He's a really good overall defender and has outstanding intangibles. Gotta give him a ton of credit, I honestly never imagined he'd be a solid NBA player let alone make a roster. Instead I thought Jamil could land somewhere, boy was I wrong. We do need to add some guys with bounce that can play multiple positions.
Suns have 14 straight . Jae doing the dirty work is a key component of that success .
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 11:55:02 PM
I just watched the last 30 mins at SFO but the sound was off. Juan was absolutely brilliant. 13, 6, 6, 1, 1, and 6-6 from the field. He completely dominated the game when the Warriors took over. :) It's kind of amazing the talent we had during his years at MU. He's a really good overall defender and has outstanding intangibles. Gotta give him a ton of credit, I honestly never imagined he'd be a solid NBA player let alone make a roster. Instead I thought Jamil could land somewhere, boy was I wrong. We do need to add some guys with bounce that can play multiple positions.
Jamal did get a contract, an unfortunate event caused by him led to it being rescinded.
Herpes iz a bitch, aina?
It's phenomenal -- unheard of, really -- what Juan has done. In the modern history of basketball, has there been any other player who accomplished less in college only to end up as a solid contributor for a championship-contending team?
I mean, we're talking about a guy who averaged 3.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, .289 from 3, and more TOs than assists under two coaches over 4 seasons at Marquette. Even as a senior, he was only at 8.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg and 2.1 TO/g.
That's not even close to being an NBA prospect, especially when you factor is that he isn't an elite athlete and he's not tall for his skillset.
And yet here he is, sometimes playing 20+ minutes for the team with the NBA's best record.
Bravo to Juan for doing what's really kind of impossible.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32745808/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-the-move-feast-week
Smart gets a player drafted in one season, wojo never did.
Lewis is projected to be the 35th pick.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 30, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32745808/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-the-move-feast-week
Smart gets a player drafted in one season, wojo never did.
Lewis is projected to be the 35th pick.
So...Henry doesn't count or something???
And let's not forget who recruited Lewis to Marquette.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 30, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32745808/2022-nba-draft-top-100-stock-watch-the-move-feast-week
Smart gets a player drafted in one season, wojo never did.
Lewis is projected to be the 35th pick.
You're already saying Lewis is drafted? Come on...
But let's say that he is, that means Wojo will have coached 5 NBA players at MU recruiting 4 of them here. Maybe cool off on this comp for a bit
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
So...Henry doesn't count or something???
And let's not forget who recruited Lewis to Marquette.
Henry wasn't "in one season," which was what jfp61 was lauding Shaka for. He arrived in Year 2 for The Coach Who Shall Not Be Named.
Your second point is correct, of course. Good job not using TCWSNBN's name.
TCWMNBN* imo
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
Henry wasn't "in one season," which was what jfp61 was lauding Shaka for. He arrived in Year 2 for The Coach Who Shall Not Be Named.
Your second point is correct, of course. Good job not using TCWSNBN's name.
Well if the complaint is that Wojo didn't have a player drafted in his
first season, that is an exceedingly dumb argument given most of the roster was not even recruited by him.
Dump on Wojo all you'd like for his poor coaching, but this one is a silly stretch of a criticism.
It's honestly amazing news to hear that Justin has already been drafted, and is making big bucks in the NBA! Best of luck to him, it was a pleasure to have him as a Marquette player for the past 1+ year.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 30, 2021, 04:11:22 PM
It's honestly amazing news to hear that Justin has already been drafted, and is making big bucks in the NBA! Best of luck to him, it was a pleasure to have him as a Marquette player for the past 1+ year.
Must have gone to the ABA.
Shaka opened J Lew's fridge.......saw that it was empty and told him to go to the league....today!
Wojo only got the easy NBA players.
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 30, 2021, 06:07:58 PM
Shaka opened J Lew's fridge.......saw that it was empty and told him to go to the league....today!
Did Shaka punch J Lew in the face first?
Possible time for Markus to breakthrough?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32762074/denver-nuggets-bones-hyland-austin-rivers-enter-nba-health-safety-protocols-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32762074/denver-nuggets-bones-hyland-austin-rivers-enter-nba-health-safety-protocols-sources-say)
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 01, 2021, 02:46:55 PM
Possible time for Markus to breakthrough?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32762074/denver-nuggets-bones-hyland-austin-rivers-enter-nba-health-safety-protocols-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32762074/denver-nuggets-bones-hyland-austin-rivers-enter-nba-health-safety-protocols-sources-say)
So you're saying that not only was he a cancer in college, he's now causing breakthrough COVID cases on the Nuggets?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 01, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
So you're saying that not only was he a cancer in college, he's now causing breakthrough COVID cases on the Nuggets?
Ha!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 01, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
So you're saying that not only was he a cancer in college, he's now causing breakthrough COVID cases on the Nuggets?
Diseases, viruses, illnesses ... and they said Markus only did one thing well!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 01, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
So you're saying that not only was he a cancer in college, he's now causing breakthrough COVID cases on the Nuggets?
I am 100% sure he is vaccinated cause we all know he is always up for a shot.
Yup. Never met a shot he wouldn't take.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1466890417752915968
QuoteFree agent Wesley Matthews plans to sign a deal with the Bucks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. The 12-year veteran, who spent last season with the Los Angeles Lakers, is set to return to Milwaukee.
Quote from: THRILLHO on December 03, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1466890417752915968
Hell yeah
Juan is having a great first half for Golden State against the Suns. Put Javale McGee on a poster earlier and making a bunch of glue guy plays.
Quote from: THRILLHO on December 03, 2021, 10:03:55 PM
Juan is having a great first half for Golden State against the Suns. Put Javale McGee on a poster earlier and making a bunch of glue guy plays.
Crowder also playing well but Suns are struggling a little bit.
Lol Crowder called for a flagrant on Juan going in for a dunk.
Huge game for JTA tonight. 7-8, 17 pts.
Looks like WesMat is suited up for the Heat v Bucks game tonight. Too bad Jimmy is out.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 04, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
Looks like WesMat is suited up for the Heat v Bucks game tonight. Too bad Jimmy is out.
Delighted that the Bucks picked up Wes Matthew's .
To take your mind off the UCLA game, try to find a replay of the Nuggets game last night. Markus being Markus, 5 threes and 16 points in the 2nd quarter. Ends with 21.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 12, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
To take your mind off the UCLA game, try to find a replay of the Nuggets game last night. Markus being Markus, 5 threes and 16 points in the 2nd quarter. Ends with 21.
From the Denver Post:
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/12/12/markus-howard-nuggets-spurs-chance/
His second-quarter eruption catapulted the Nuggets to a 72-56 halftime lead, and eventually, a win. He poured in 16 of his 21 points in the quarter, dousing San Antonio's porous defense with five of his six 3-pointers.
"I thought Markus was a difference-maker tonight," said Nuggets coach Michael Malone, who brought his name up unsolicited.
Howard accounted for six of Denver's 20 3-pointers.
On the first triple, Howard broke the Spurs' press by canning a 3-pointer from the top of the arc with 14 seconds left on the shot clock. Next, he buried one from the corner after Facu Campazzo collapsed the defense with his penetration.
Sensing his thermometer was rising, the Nuggets ran plays for Howard on his next two threes, both of which came via dribble hand-offs by Nikola Jokic. On his last trey of the second quarter, the Spurs lost him in transition and Howard buried another one.
"Markus can shoot, he can score," Malone said. "Some of those plays we haven't ran in a while."
When he checked out with 3:12 left in the quarter, the Nuggets up 59-52, the entire bench stood to congratulate him as he walked to his seat.
"I just know any time I'm put in a position to be in the game, I know my skillset, and I know what I'm capable of doing," Howard said. "And so do my teammates. They have trust in me to be able to make plays."It's why he'll make nice money for a long time.
Delighted to see Markus get some quality minutes . He is making the most of his opportunities like this when they happen
Great to see Markus do Markus with some extended run.
The Nuggets are such a mixed blessing for him - I think the organization is really high on him and spends a lot of time on his development - but he's buried so far down the chart that his only chance for real minutes are if a bunch of guys are hurt.
I wonder if in these early years he wouldn't be better served being on a bottom feeder where he got a ton of run and exposure, which then might lead him to being scooped up by some better team on something other than a two-way.
Quote from: 1SE on December 12, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
Great to see Markus do Markus with some extended run.
The Nuggets are such a mixed blessing for him - I think the organization is really high on him and spends a lot of time on his development - but he's buried so far down the chart that his only chance for real minutes are if a bunch of guys are hurt.
I wonder if in these early years he wouldn't be better served being on a bottom feeder where he got a ton of run and exposure, which then might lead him to being scooped up by some better team on something other than a two-way.
I honestly think he's in a great spot. Malone is a very good coach and clearly likes him. He's in a system that can utilize him and work for him. And he gets to play with talent guys every day in practice.
I don't necessarily think a bad team like the Pistons or Rockets are any better. Look at Vander and others that got run on terrible Lakers teams. Young draft picks and touted prospects are the focus of those teams. The boundary guys get run and eat up minutes but it's not like they are getting proper auditions.
Markus getting shine in situations like this and even in the playoffs last year will lead to more
Quote from: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 04:10:38 PM
I honestly think he's in a great spot. Malone is a very good coach and clearly likes him. He's in a system that can utilize him and work for him. And he gets to play with talent guys every day in practice.
I don't necessarily think a bad team like the Pistons or Rockets are any better. Look at Vander and others that got run on terrible Lakers teams. Young draft picks and touted prospects are the focus of those teams. The boundary guys get run and eat up minutes but it's not like they are getting proper auditions.
Markus getting shine in situations like this and even in the playoffs last year will lead to more
No, I think Denver is a great organisation for him - just don't like the fact the getting minutes depends on a bunch of other guy getting hurt. But maybe that would be his situation anywhere.
At any rate, he may have already scored more association pts the both hauser bros ever will
I think Markus is in an ideal situation . He has a coach who values and understands what Markus can bring to the table. having the coach on your side matters a lot.
Worth noting, as far as I can see , Markus has spent no time on the Denver G League even though he is a two way player .
By comparison Vander never had a coach who believed in him. When he finally made the Lakers he got almost no time and then was cut .
Hauser got his first NBA bucket tonight. A three vs the Bucks.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on December 13, 2021, 09:14:33 PM
Hauser got his first NBA bucket tonight. A three vs the Bucks.
Who?
MarKus 3-4 from 3. Solid eve. Glad to see him playing well. I honestly thought he would average 1 min a game and play garbage time only. Really impressed.
wonder how long he lasts
Quote from: fjm on December 13, 2021, 11:01:25 PM
MarKus 3-4 from 3. Solid eve. Glad to see him playing well. I honestly thought he would average 1 min a game and play garbage time only. Really impressed.
Only downside was 5 fouls in 12 minutes ha.
But yeah it's great to see him have a few games in the non garbage time rotation and make shots during that time.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2021, 08:26:00 AM
Only downside was 5 fouls in 12 minutes ha.
But yeah it's great to see him have a few games in the non garbage time rotation and make shots during that time.
He was like this in the playoffs as well. When he was given quality minutes, he held his own. Hopefully, he gets a shot somewhere to get some run. I was surprised nobody picked him up last offseason.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2021, 08:26:00 AM
Only downside was 5 fouls in 12 minutes ha.
But yeah it's great to see him have a few games in the non garbage time rotation and make shots during that time.
I saw those fouls in the box score and laughed. What was he doing out there on D?
But like you say, it's nice to see him taking advantage of his time on the court. When Covid and injuries to his teammates resulted in him getting a more extended run (33 minutes total) these last 2 games, he has averaged 15 points on 50% shooting (including .563 from 3) while committing only 1 turnover. He's been kind of like MU freshman Markus -- instant offensive bursts and incredible 3-point shooting.
Oh, and the Nuggets have won both games.
It may take some time, I think Markus will become a player like Lou Williams (JJJs Uncle). An instant offense type of guy off the bench who has a very long career. Markus has a different style than Lou and is smaller but is basically the same concept of a player.
Quote from: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 09:24:05 AM
I saw those fouls in the box score and laughed. What was he doing out there on D?
But like you say, it's nice to see him taking advantage of his time on the court. When Covid and injuries to his teammates resulted in him getting a more extended run (33 minutes total) these last 2 games, he has averaged 15 points on 50% shooting (including .563 from 3) while committing only 1 turnover. He's been kind of like MU freshman Markus -- instant offensive bursts and incredible 3-point shooting.
Oh, and the Nuggets have won both games.
Markus fouls and resulting points
2:28 Markus Howard personal take foul 12 - 24- no free throws
7.3 Markus Howard personal foul 22 - 29 no free throws
5:36 Markus Howard shooting foul 34 - 44-Neto with the basket and free throw
9:43 Markus Howard personal foul no free throws
9:21 Markus Howard personal foul no free throws
So only one "bad foul", The first was to stop a breakaway, the second was they had a foul to give. Not as bad as the box score looks.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 14, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Markus fouls and resulting points
2:28 Markus Howard personal take foul 12 - 24- no free throws
7.3 Markus Howard personal foul 22 - 29 no free throws
5:36 Markus Howard shooting foul 34 - 44-Neto with the basket and free throw
9:43 Markus Howard personal foul no free throws
9:21 Markus Howard personal foul no free throws
So only one "bad foul", The first was to stop a breakaway, the second was they had a foul to give. Not as bad as the box score looks.
Thanks. That makes sense.
0-fer inside the arc last night, but Markus is now 13-23 on 3s in his last three games in about 16 minutes a game - not shabby.
Markus left the game with a knee injury. Hopefully nothing too serious.
Rub sum chicken phat and spit on it, hey?
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 16, 2021, 07:45:36 AM
Markus left the game with a knee injury. Hopefully nothing too serious.
That sucks. He was getting some really nice run and being very productive.
The Nuggets may be without Markus Howard with a left knee injury on Wednesday against Minnesota. He was injured while scrambling for a loose ball in the fourth quarter and had to be helped to the locker room.
Quote from: 1SE on December 16, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
The Nuggets may be without Markus Howard with a left knee injury on Wednesday against Minnesota. He was injured while scrambling for a loose ball in the fourth quarter and had to be helped to the locker room.
Nuggets guard Markus Howard left Wednesday's game in the second half with a left knee injury but appears to have avoided a worst-case scenario, a league source told the Denver Post - https://www.denverpost.com/2021/12/16/markus-howard-nuggets-knee-injury-update/
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 16, 2021, 05:40:25 PM
Nuggets guard Markus Howard left Wednesday's game in the second half with a left knee injury but appears to have avoided a worst-case scenario, a league source told the Denver Post - https://www.denverpost.com/2021/12/16/markus-howard-nuggets-knee-injury-update/
We already knew there weren't any Hausers on the Nuggets.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 16, 2021, 06:29:37 PM
We already knew there weren't any Hausers on the Nuggets.
I think you meant to transpose the bolded.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 17, 2021, 12:12:43 AM
I think you meant to transpose the bolded.
We would have to ask Brad Davison for confirmation.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 17, 2021, 09:26:34 AM
We would have to ask Brad Davison for confirmation.
You know ... maybe Floppy McNutgrabber actually took Vanilla Soft Serve's onions when he grabbed 'em. Would explain a lot.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 16, 2021, 05:40:25 PM
Nuggets guard Markus Howard left Wednesday's game in the second half with a left knee injury but appears to have avoided a worst-case scenario, a league source told the Denver Post - https://www.denverpost.com/2021/12/16/markus-howard-nuggets-knee-injury-update/
Latest update:
Markus Howard
Markus Howard
PG
Status
Out
Howard sprained his left knee during Denver's loss to the Timberwolves on Wednesday and will be re-evaluated in six weeks.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 17, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
Latest update:
Markus Howard
Markus Howard
PG
Status
Out
Howard sprained his left knee during Denver's loss to the Timberwolves on Wednesday and will be re-evaluated in six weeks.
That's a real bummer for Markus. He worked hard and patiently waited for his turn. And when his number was called, he answered, doing really well and helping his team win games.
I feel really bad for Marquette's top scorer and outstanding representative, but I'm confident he'll produce the next time he gets the chance.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 17, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
Latest update:
Markus Howard
Markus Howard
PG
Status
Out
Howard sprained his left knee during Denver's loss to the Timberwolves on Wednesday and will be re-evaluated in six weeks.
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Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 02:46:58 PM
That's a real bummer for Markus. He worked hard and patiently waited for his turn. And when his number was called, he answered, doing really well and helping his team win games.
I feel really bad for Marquette's top scorer and outstanding representative, but I'm confident he'll produce the next time he gets the chance.
Markus will get another chance and continue to do well
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 17, 2021, 09:52:19 PM
Markus will get another chance and continue to do well
Yes, and yes.
Not the NBA, but Davante Gardner reached a milestone with the Seahorses:
https://twitter.com/go_seahorses/status/1472703295936360448/photo/1
Quote from: warriorchick on December 19, 2021, 09:33:38 PM
Not the NBA, but Davante Gardner reached a milestone with the Seahorses:
https://twitter.com/go_seahorses/status/1472703295936360448/photo/1
Nice! Davante was incredibly skilled. I wonder if he could have played NBA ball if he shed 50 lbs? Or maybe 75 lbs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Nice! Davante was incredibly skilled. I wonder if he could have played NBA ball if he shed 50 lbs? Or maybe 75 lbs.
Nah. Davante is incredible skilled and agile, but not overly athletic. Even if he dropped weight he wouldnt have been springy and long. And that weight helped his style of game immensely. He's a delight and found a great place for him where he's won a ton of accolades and made a lot of money, but 6'8 under the rim players don't have a place on the modern NBA
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Nice! Davante was incredibly skilled. I wonder if he could have played NBA ball if he shed 50 lbs? Or maybe 75 lbs.
He could've played in the NBA had he been born 50 years earlier...okay, that's an exaggeration, he could've played in the 1980s or 1990s, so maybe 20-30 years, but not today. And losing 50-75 pounds might have hurt his overall game by diminishing his ability to control space around the paint and hold his position. Fun guy to watch, but not an NBA player in this century.
The only successful post players even close to DG's size that I can think of off the top of my bald head were Wes Unseld and Ben Wallace. Neither were known for their offense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Nice! Davante was incredibly skilled. I wonder if he could have played NBA ball if he shed 50 lbs? Or maybe 75 lbs.
As a senior, he was pretty trim. I remember that year seeing a tall African American guy walking down Wells and was surprised when I passed him that it was Davante. I had expected him to be significantly heavier, and I saw him all the time at the Courtside Club. Maybe he didn't get a smaller uniform when he lost the weight, and that made him look larger.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 20, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
As a senior, he was pretty trim. I remember that year seeing a tall African American guy walking down Wells and was surprised when I passed him that it was Davante. I had expected him to be significantly heavier, and I saw him all the time at the Courtside Club. Maybe he didn't get a smaller uniform when he lost the weight, and that made him look larger.
He cut down on portion size at The Broken Yolk
Matthews with big 3 to lead Bucks win
Jimmy getting really injury prone
Thought of him bc we just played Georgetown.... Our old pal Mac McClung finished up a 10-day with the Bulls. Got into one game and made his only shot. Back in G-League now. Always wondered if he would find a place to play.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on January 08, 2022, 03:01:34 PM
Thought of him bc we just played Georgetown.... Our old pal Mac McClung finished up a 10-day with the Bulls. Got into one game and made his only shot. Back in G-League now. Always wondered if he would find a place to play.
He's too short and not a good enough shooter. Fun player but there are tons of guys like him and unless he's a 40%+ 3P shooter he'd never stick, regardless of his athleticism
It was fantastic to see Wes get the start and perform well down the stretch yesterday.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 06:16:07 PM
It was fantastic to see Wes get the start and perform well down the stretch yesterday.
Bucks guaranteed his contract too which is nice.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2022, 06:33:51 PM
Bucks guaranteed his contract too which is nice.
Excellent Article on Wes
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2022/01/04/wesley-matthews-reunion-milwaukee-bucks-working-out/9087573002/
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2022, 06:33:51 PM
Bucks guaranteed his contract too which is nice.
I admit I don't follow the NBA much.....what does this mean? His contract wasn't guaranteed??
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 08, 2022, 08:42:29 PM
I admit I don't follow the NBA much.....what does this mean? His contract wasn't guaranteed??
During a season, a team can sign a player to a contract that isn't guaranteed for the full season but such contracts have a date by which the team either must waive the player or guarantee the contract. In Wes' deal, that deadline was Friday, and The Athletic says the Bucks opted to guarantee it. $1.9 mil.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 10:13:01 PM
During a season, a team can sign a player to a contract that isn't guaranteed for the full season but such contracts have a date by which the team either must waive the player or guarantee the contract. In Wes' deal, that deadline was Friday, and The Athletic says the Bucks opted to guarantee it. $1.9 mil.
Thank you—ah yes I do recall this now.
Talking about LaMelo Ball's game-winning shot vs. the Bucks last night, Wes set an NBA record for most use of the word "hell" in a single quote:
"It was a hell of a play, hell of a move. We knew they like to do a lot of slip action and he is a hell of a talent. He makes tough shots and he makes tough shots look easy. A one-foot runner, high pick over the top from right to left. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat. That is just a hell of a play by a hell of a player. Give credit to them. They play hard, play fast and a hell of a player made a hell of a shot."
That's a hell of a quote!
Watt da hell, hey?
Wes played Hella well in the loss.
Great to see that Markus played last night.
Wesley completely shut down Steph Curry last night. It was fun to watch him smother Curry the entire length of the court, denying him the ball and not giving him any room to get his shots off. Wes played him like an NFL bump-and-run corner at the line of scrimmage, and he never ever backed off.
Jimmy giving a DePaul player the credit he deserves. ;D
https://twitter.com/bradyhawk305/status/1482217607621136387?s=21
I'm truly stunned Strus has found a consistent spot in the NBA. Credit to him
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 15, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
Jimmy giving a DePaul player the credit he deserves. ;D
https://twitter.com/bradyhawk305/status/1482217607621136387?s=21
So good!
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 14, 2022, 12:32:57 PM
Great to see that Markus played last night.
Happy he is back from the knee injury. More quickly than originally projected.
Saw he was optioned to the G League team in Grand Rapids.
For some MU irony, the Grand Rapids G-League team nickname is, you guessed it, Gold.
Just wantid ta bea kloser two Joey, hey?
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on January 15, 2022, 09:41:40 PM
Happy he is back from the knee injury. More quickly than originally projected.
Saw he was optioned to the G League team in Grand Rapids.
For some MU irony, the Grand Rapids G-League team nickname is, you guessed it, Gold.
Will be fun to see Markus finally get some G League action , will put you some monster numbers
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2022, 11:14:06 AM
Just wantid ta bea kloser two Joey, hey?
That's the only way they'll be close as basketball players. The only other thing they have in common is they both played at Marquette for a few months.
One was a first-team All-American who was a credit to his university for 4 years and who has been earning an NBA paycheck ... the other was an overhyped baby who gutted a potentially fine season with his pouting and poor play and who is the master of the septuple-single at Michigan State.
Nads, how's da ice and sleet in yo hood, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2022, 05:25:02 PM
Nads, how's da ice and sleet in yo hood, hey?
Thanks for asking, Doc. Seriously.
We got a pretty good coating of ice, sleet and a little snow. It's right around 32 now and it's gonna go down into the 20s, so the roads could get pretty icy. Supposed to be sunny but only around 40 tomorrow, so not sure if it'll melt until Tuesday. The talkin' heads are saying we were lucky and it coulda been worse, so I'll take their word for it.
Its a jungle out der. So, put those Chicago drivin' skills ta good use, hey?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 03:47:37 PM
Will be fun to see Markus finally get some G League action , will put you some monster numbers
Markus had a modest G League debut . 14 points 7 boards 2 assist 4 turnovers in 28 minutes . 4-14 shooting. Hopefully gets healthy soon and back in form.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2022, 05:59:58 PM
Its a jungle out der. So, put those Chicago drivin' skills ta good use, hey?
I used to be OK at driving in this kinda crap (because I had to be), but the folks down here suck at it. And we don't have an army of plows, sanders and salters to send out to clear the roads.
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:08:06 PM
I used to be OK at driving in this kinda crap (because I had to be), but the folks down here suck at it. And we don't have an army of plows, sanders and salters to send out to clear the roads.
Wait till tomorrow when the sun comes out and the temp is above freezing.
Markus played two games in the G League for Grand Rapids . Had 19 points in 22 minutes the second game with 4-8 from 3. Markus was then called back up to The Nuggets
Good to hear!
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 02:51:23 PM
Markus played two games in the G League for Grand Rapids . Had 19 points in 22 minutes the second game with 4-8 from 3. Markus was then called back up to The Nuggets
What's the purpose of this? Just keeping guys warm?
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:08:06 PM
I used to be OK at driving in this kinda crap (because I had to be), but the folks down here suck at it. And we don't have an army of plows, sanders and salters to send out to clear the roads.
Where be you, MU,Eight-Two?
Quote from: JWags85 on January 15, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
I'm truly stunned Strus has found a consistent spot in the NBA. Credit to him
You're surprised a big, athletic wing who can play D and shoot from distance found a spot in today's NBA?
Kid had NBA written all over him at DePaul.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 24, 2022, 02:26:47 PM
You're surprised a big, athletic wing who can play D and shoot from distance found a spot in today's NBA?
Kid had NBA written all over him at DePaul.
Are we talking about the same Max Strus? 6'5-6'6 isn't "big" for any position in the NBA other than PG.
Athletic? Compared to you or me maybe, but he's not some explosive slasher.
And shoot from distance? The guy who shot 34-35% from 3 on 6 attempts a game in college? Not exactly a sniper. He's improved his shot this year but last year was still shooting like 33%.
And yet there he is.
Strus breaking Westbrook's ankles last night was great
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2022, 03:37:21 PM
And yet there he is.
I said full credit to him. He clearly works hard and found a spot. Wouldn't be the first unlikely guy to find a role.
But to act like he was a no brainer NBA guy at DePaul, while greatly exaggerating his NBA attributes, is just incorrect and 20/20 hindsight.
He surprises me less than Juan does.
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2022, 04:43:28 PM
He surprises me less than Juan does.
I would say much less
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 24, 2022, 04:02:51 PM
Strus breaking Westbrook's ankles last night was great
So, you're saying that Westbrook suffered a Strus fracture?
Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 09:54:26 PM
So, you're saying that Westbrook suffered a Strus fracture?
And there we have today's winner of the Internet. Congrats!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq991lCguuA
Interview with DJO where he talks about his route to MU and his relationship with Zar and JFB. Continues to be incredibly humble and a great representative of MU.
Markus Howard got in for the final few minutes at the Fiserv tonight against the Bucks. Made all three of his three point attempts and had a steal.
Quote from: kclem on January 30, 2022, 08:51:20 PM
Markus Howard got in for the final few minutes at the Fiserv tonight against the Bucks. Made all three of his three point attempts and had a steal.
Was nice that the Nuggets threw Markus a bone in his old stomping grounds. Nice to see that he went 3-3 on threes.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 09:08:59 PM
Was nice that the Nuggets threw Markus a bone in his old stomping grounds. Nice to see that he went 3-3 on threes.
...not just 3/3...but in 3mins of PT!! Love it!! Play the man!!!
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 29, 2022, 06:36:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq991lCguuA
Interview with DJO where he talks about his route to MU and his relationship with Zar and JFB. Continues to be incredibly humble and a great representative of MU.
Great stuff!
Quote from: Viper on January 30, 2022, 09:14:31 PM
...not just 3/3...but in 3mins of PT!! Love it!! Play the man!!!
I've heard a letter has been drafted (sorry couldn't resist).
Quote from: Viper on January 30, 2022, 09:14:31 PM
...not just 3/3...but in 3mins of PT!! Love it!! Play the man!!!
Looking at the play by play, he scored those in the final 1:15
Saw Markus after his 3/3 on 3s
Juan Anderson is in the dunk contest.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2022, 06:44:42 PM
Juan Anderson is in the dunk contest.
They must have seen his high school mix tape.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2022, 06:44:42 PM
Juan Anderson is in the dunk contest.
Continuing the most unlikely Marquette-to-NBA story ever. Maybe it's time to make a movie about him.
This is a comprehensive article on the son of former MU Great Dwyane Wade:
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/02/15/how-is-zaire-wade-doing/
In case you missed this from Jimmy this week (sound on)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaSygp_FLJt/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=0feee29c-ac09-4e22-88b3-b82337bcc2d0
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 25, 2022, 09:46:49 AM
In case you missed this from Jimmy this week (sound on)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaSygp_FLJt/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=0feee29c-ac09-4e22-88b3-b82337bcc2d0
Incredibly on brand.
(https://i.imgur.com/d5js209.jpg)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 15, 2022, 08:34:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d5js209.jpg)
Someone photoshop a knife into Crowder's left hand... please!
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 25, 2022, 10:50:42 AM
Incredibly on brand.
Tremendous "How It Started vs How Its Going" content.
ESPN latest mock NBA draft has JL going #21 to San Antonio...was hoping they meant next year
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on March 16, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
ESPN latest mock NBA draft has JL going #21 to San Antonio...was hoping they meant next year
That mock draft only included players in the NCAA tournament. No foreign players, no G League Ignite, no Overtime Elite, and no college players that missed the tournament.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 16, 2022, 04:14:10 PM
That mock draft only included players in the NCAA tournament. No foreign players, no G League Ignite, no Overtime Elite, and no college players that missed the tournament.
Lulz
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 16, 2022, 04:14:10 PM
That mock draft only included players in the NCAA tournament. No foreign players, no G League Ignite, no Overtime Elite, and no college players that missed the tournament.
Buzz is definitely gonna write a letter about this.
Jimmy bein' Jimmy
Heat's Jimmy Butler was physically separated from Udonis Haslem and Erik Spoelstra after verbal altercation in loss to Warriors.
Quote from: Jockey on March 23, 2022, 10:59:24 PM
Jimmy bein' Jimmy
Heat's Jimmy Butler was physically separated from Udonis Haslem and Erik Spoelstra after verbal altercation in loss to Warriors.
Haslem has to be like 40. I was playing with him in nba live 2005.
Markus with a career high 25 in the season finale.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 11, 2022, 05:10:21 AM
Markus with a career high 25 in the season finale.
25 points in only 24 minutes, and he only made two 3s.
Markus ended up playing in 30 games this season and he has played in 67 in his two pro years. Improved his stats just about across the board from year 1 to year 2.
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
25 points in only 24 minutes, and he only made two 3s.
Markus ended up playing in 30 games this season and he has played in 67 in his two pro years. Improved his stats just about across the board from year 1 to year 2.
I would think some team would offer him a contract this summer. Whenever he gets extended minutes, he seems to be able to put up points. He has that Vinnie Johnson quality to him.
25 points and 1 assist in a game where his team loses by 5 allowing 146 points in regulation is the most Markus Howard game ever.
Good for him though! Nice to see him get more time on the NBA court. He's worked and works hard to be where he is at.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 11, 2022, 10:45:00 AM
25 points and 1 assist in a game where his team loses by 5 allowing 146 points in regulation is the most Markus Howard game ever.
Good for him though! Nice to see him get more time on the NBA court. He's worked and works hard to be where he is at.
What was Markus's plus minus?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 11, 2022, 10:45:00 AM
25 points and 1 assist in a game where his team loses by 5 allowing 146 points in regulation is the most Markus Howard game ever.
Good for him though! Nice to see him get more time on the NBA court. He's worked and works hard to be where he is at.
The whole team had a whopping 10 assists on 49 made baskets. Going to blame him for no assists on the other 41 made baskets? Everyone was playing hero ball, it seems.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 11, 2022, 10:45:00 AM
25 points and 1 assist in a game where his team loses by 5 allowing 146 points in regulation is the most Markus Howard game ever.
The whole game was basically garbage time because it was meaningless. Everybody was jacking up shots.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 11, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
The whole team had a whopping 10 assists on 49 made baskets. Going to blame him for no assists on the other 41 made baskets? Everyone was playing hero ball, it seems.
I'm not blaming him for anything, I'm just saying everything about that game is right up Markus' alley
The NBA could take the 5 worst players from each roster and create a heck of an entertaining B-league.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 11, 2022, 08:55:02 AM
I would think some team would offer him a contract this summer. Whenever he gets extended minutes, he seems to be able to put up points. He has that Vinnie Johnson quality to him.
Markus' performance in "meaningless" late season games last year is what got him playoff minutes in a crunch when the Nuggets had injuries. Regardless of the game situation, the fact that he can come in cold and immediately get buckets is his most attractive NBA quality and will likely keep getting him spots on the end of NBA benches for a number of years more.
Seems to me a dude with Marquette as his alma mater getting NBA minutes is a good thing for the school, even if it makes certain scoopers mad
Quote from: JWags85 on April 11, 2022, 02:06:25 PM
Markus' performance in "meaningless" late season games last year is what got him playoff minutes in a crunch when the Nuggets had injuries. Regardless of the game situation, the fact that he can come in cold and immediately get buckets is his most attractive NBA quality and will likely keep getting him spots on the end of NBA benches for a number of years more.
Good point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 11, 2022, 02:22:43 PM
Seems to me a dude with Marquette as his alma mater getting NBA minutes is a good thing for the school, even if it makes certain scoopers mad
Yep. For example, even though I preferred Markus to Sam when looking at the entirety of their Marquette experiences, I am quite glad to see Sam representing. I hope both of them get to make an NBA playoff memory or two in the next couple months.
45 points for Jimmy Butler tonight on 60% shooting with 0 turnovers.
He is on a Hall of Fame path right now. If he somehow gets a title he will be a lock.
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
The whole game was basically garbage time because it was meaningless. Everybody was jacking up shots.
Nah, Bubbe meises, aina?
Chuck & Shaq must read Scoop. Both referred to Jimmy as 'Jimmy F'in Butler' in last night's postgame.
Chuck said it to Jimmy's face in the interview. Jimmy said, 'I appreciate that.'
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 20, 2022, 07:21:02 AM
Chuck & Shaq must read Scoop. Both referred to Jimmy as 'Jimmy F'in Butler' in last night's postgame.
Everybody reads Scoop. We're
infamous.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 20, 2022, 07:23:50 AM
Everybody reads Scoop. We're infamous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6_i_eSgR8
Jimmy Butler arrives for postgame with a knit cap on.
Kyle: "Take that dumbass hat off."
Jimmy: "Leave my hat alone."
Kyle: "You live in Miami."
https://www.youtube.com/v/PdMPuno5gYU
Only players in Miami Heat franchise history to have 3 or more 40+ playoff games. A guy named LeBron and two former MU players: Dwyane Wade and Jimmy F'in Butler.
Quote from: pbiflyer on April 20, 2022, 09:56:15 AM
Jimmy Butler arrives for postgame with a knit cap on.
Kyle: "Take that dumbass hat off."
Jimmy: "Leave my hat alone."
Kyle: "You live in Miami."
My goodness. What a fake tough guy.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 22, 2022, 04:18:00 PM
My goodness. What a fake tough guy.
Well, not every one can be manly like the badgers.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eXQh6Qsh7Z8/R6OGxIeMt-I/AAAAAAAAARU/JGzRwxy42F8/s320/BrianButch.jpg)
Great piece in The Athletic about Jimmy -- specifically how much better off the Sixers would be if they had prioritized him instead of Harris and Simmons, but also about what makes Jimmy a great NBA player.
https://theathletic.com/3309738/2022/05/13/jimmy-butler-heat-bucks-celtics/?source=weeklyemail&campaign=602288
This really says it all about our Marquette stud:
"I think he's one of the ultimate competitors in this profession," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I think a lot of things get lost in translation. And I think as this league sometimes gets younger, I think it ends up being about some things that are not about winning. He competes on both ends. He is an extremely efficient offensive player. And when his only focus is just about driving a team to win, all the other things just are irrelevant."
Jimmy agrees.
https://twitter.com/kevinoconnornba/status/1524964232533422080?s=21&t=waXWF7OVoxKDDnn6bQgwTA
Dwindling numbers of MU alum still alive for a ring in the NBA this year. Jimmy (Mia) and Juan (GSW) have the best chances. Had hopes for Jae going in but they don't look good at the time of this entry.
Sam is with the Celts, but he doesn't count in my book.
Not sure if this was mentioned in another thread, but Darryl has recently worked out with the Warriors and Pistons, Kuath has worked out with Memphis and Milwaukee.
Jamal Cain has worked out with the hawks
Quote from: GoldenDieners32 on May 17, 2022, 11:57:19 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned in another thread, but Darryl has recently worked out with the Warriors and Pistons, Kuath has worked out with Memphis and Milwaukee.
Jamal Cain has worked out with the hawks
That is all good news
The guy who writes The Athletic's daily morning digest, which summarizes all the big sports stories, this morning referred to our guy as Jimmy freaking Butler.
Quote from: MU82 on May 18, 2022, 07:35:58 AM
The guy who writes The Athletic's daily morning digest, which summarizes all the big sports stories, this morning referred to our guy as Jimmy freaking Butler.
He doesn't know what the F stands for.
https://youtu.be/llDB5ENjEVk
At the 1:08:30 mark Tracy McGrady talks his favorite player in the league today. Spoiler alert. It's Jimmy Butler. Pretty cool to hear a Hall of Famer with words like that about JFB.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeltBQSDFVj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
I hope this link works, I'm not really fluent in Instagram, but this is really cool from Dwyane Wade and his sister.
On another note Juan Anderson and Sam Hauser have both played in all 3 finals games thus far (garbage time) but still cool. Hauser made a 3 towards end of game 2
Not sure if posted yet. My apologies if already posted.
https://andscape.com/features/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-has-embraced-his-mexican-heritage-en-route-to-the-nba/?addata=espn:frontpage (https://andscape.com/features/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-has-embraced-his-mexican-heritage-en-route-to-the-nba/?addata=espn:frontpage)
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 13, 2022, 03:52:54 PM
Not sure if posted yet. My apologies if already posted.
https://andscape.com/features/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-has-embraced-his-mexican-heritage-en-route-to-the-nba/?addata=espn:frontpage (https://andscape.com/features/warriors-juan-toscano-anderson-has-embraced-his-mexican-heritage-en-route-to-the-nba/?addata=espn:frontpage)
Tremendous article thanks for posting
Congratulations to Juan . He achieved his life long dream to be a member of an NBA Championship team. Great representative of MU.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 17, 2022, 06:32:55 AM
Congratulations to Juan . He achieved his life long dream to be a member of an NBA Championship team. Great representative of MU.
Agreed Herm, what a great accomplishment for that young man!
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 17, 2022, 07:08:42 AM
Agreed Herm, what a great accomplishment for that young man!
A guy no one thought had a chance to make the NBA.
Juan better send a pic of his ring to Jimmy and Jae
Both Juan and Sam Dekker left school after 2015. Wild to think about who has had a better career
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2022, 11:54:48 AM
Both Juan and Sam Dekker left school after 2015. Wild to think about who has had a better career
Actally, Dekker has played in almost 3 times as many games over more seasons than Juan and his #s are also better than Juan.
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 17, 2022, 01:12:03 PM
Actally, Dekker has played in almost 3 times as many games over more seasons than Juan and his #s are also better than Juan.
Except that even some Hall of Famers don't have a ring.
Congrats to Juan on an incredible achievement. His career has been remarkable since leaving MU. Extra emphasis on "since leaving MU" because he was a pretty big disappointment on the basketball court when he played here.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 17, 2022, 01:20:23 PM
Except that even some Hall of Famers don't have a ring.
Sure, but what does that have to do with individual comparisons. Not like Juan was a major contributor to GS's success.
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 17, 2022, 01:32:08 PM
Sure, but what does that have to do with individual comparisons. Not like Juan was a major contributor to GS's success.
RNGZ
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 17, 2022, 01:32:08 PM
Sure, but what does that have to do with individual comparisons. Not like Juan was a major contributor to GS's success.
So he still was part of a championship team. Most players rather have a championship than anything else. I bet Dekker would, not easy getting a ring. Besides I'm sure Juan os very valuable in practice and it looked like he enjoyed the ride.
https://twitter.com/jennylynnfisch/status/1537703947536076800?s=21&t=zwEirKvKtqZE_qzZTZVTHA
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 17, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
So he still was part of a championship team. Most players rather have a championship than anything else. I bet Dekker would, not easy getting a ring. Besides I'm sure Juan os very valuable in practice and it looked like he enjoyed the ride.
Does that mean he had the "better career?" Because if that's the standard, Juan has had a better career than Karl Malone.
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 17, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Does that mean he had the "better career?" Because if that's the standard, Juan has had a better career than Karl Malone.
When you have two absolute shitburgers of NBA players, at least one can claim he's a champion.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 17, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
When you have two absolute crapburgers of NBA players, at least one can claim he's a champion.
Oh. So now we move the goalposts again. Gotcha.
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 17, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Oh. So now we move the goalposts again. Gotcha.
I'm not sure how I can move any goalposts when I never even set any goalposts in the first place.
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 17, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Does that mean he had the "better career?" Because if that's the standard, Juan has had a better career than Karl Malone.
Not saying exactly that, but I bet if you gave Dekker a choice he would rather be part of a championship team. Anyway I'm letting this go, whatever you think is ok you're right!
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 17, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Does that mean he had the "better career?" Because if that's the standard, Juan has had a better career than Karl Malone.
Will Purdue = 5X better than Karl Malone and Sir Charles.......combined!
Dekker has had a better career. But if you follow social media, Juan, as the first Mexican American to win a Championship, it's a big, big deal. Dekker better player, Juan will probably be remembered more.
Quote from: MUDPT on June 17, 2022, 03:48:03 PM
Dekker has had a better career. But if you follow social media, Juan, as the first Mexican American to win a Championship, it's a big, big deal. Dekker better player, Juan will probably be remembered more.
And Dekker is in the Klan
Quote from: MUDPT on June 17, 2022, 03:48:03 PM
Dekker has had a better career. But if you follow social media, Juan, as the first Mexican American to win a Championship, it's a big, big deal. Dekker better player, Juan will probably be remembered more.
This is definitely true. Was talking to a friend whose family still lives in Mexico and Juan basically has a national following. I didn't realize how significant it was.
Quote from: CountryRoads on June 17, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
Congrats to Juan on an incredible achievement. His career has been remarkable since leaving MU. Extra emphasis on "since leaving MU" because he was a pretty big disappointment on the basketball court when he played here.
CR:
Juan started over 75 games at MU. Was a member of our Elite 8 and specialized as a glue defense guy.
Juan has advanced his glue guy defense game to the NBA Level and earned the respect of the coach and the best player on the team , which is why he has made the Warriors roster three years in a row .
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 17, 2022, 04:39:09 PM
CR:
Juan started over 75 games at MU. Was a member of our Elite 8 and specialized as a glue defense guy.
Juan has advanced his glue guy defense game to the NBA Level and earned the respect of the coach and the best player on the team , which is why he has made the Warriors roster three years in a row .
I agree. What Juan accomplished is just incredible and he will have that ring forever that no one can take from him.
I think this may be his last hurrah with GS though. I believe his contract is done. After Klay and Otto Porter came back from injuries and Gary Payton arrived, Juan was delegated to the bench and hardly played at all. GS has Kuminga and
Moody waiting in the wings. May be a numbers victim.
Yeah, butt Sam is bangin' Harlan. Gotta kount fore somethin', aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 17, 2022, 07:35:16 PM
Yeah, butt Sam is bangin' Harland. Gotta kount fore somethin', aina?
Not really
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 17, 2022, 07:35:16 PM
Yeah, butt Sam is bangin' Harland. Gotta kount fore somethin', aina?
Probably getting grifted, like you with Q and dear leader, hey?
If Shaka wasn't going after him hard, I hope Shaka's got a better eye for talent than consensus. If he was going after him hard, serious NIL issues. I have zero doubt Shaka has the personality to recruit. If he wanted Milan and couldn't even get into his top 6 while the kid is living 25 minutes away, not good.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 17, 2022, 08:11:36 PM
If Shaka wasn't going after him hard, I hope Shaka's got a better eye for talent than consensus. If he was going after him hard, serious NIL issues. I have zero doubt Shaka has the personality to recruit. If he wanted Milan and couldn't even get into his top 6 while the kid is living 25 minutes away, not good.
Wrong thread.
Quote from: nyg on June 17, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
I agree. What Juan accomplished is just incredible and he will have that ring forever that no one can take from him.
I think this may be his last hurrah with GS though. I believe his contract is done. After Klay and Otto Porter came back from injuries and Gary Payton arrived, Juan was delegated to the bench and hardly played at all. GS has Kuminga and
Moody waiting in the wings. May be a numbers victim.
Iggy is likely retiring, I hope Juan keeps the dream alive.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 17, 2022, 07:35:16 PM
Yeah, butt Sam is bangin' Harlan. Gotta kount fore somethin', aina?
Juan's girlfriend https://www.instagram.com/p/BzoSu3VJqn7/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Hot tamale, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 18, 2022, 08:19:23 AM
Hot tamale, hey?
ahubdahubda boinga! holy schnikees juan!! ya think he discovered his "special purpose" yet? although some people do believe in saving themselves. heard it's one of those old traditions making a come back...here? probably not so much though, eyn'a?
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on June 18, 2022, 08:29:30 AM
ahubdahubda boinga! holy schnikees juan!! ya think he discovered his "special purpose" yet? although some people do believe in saving themselves. heard it's one of those old traditions making a come back...here? probably not so much though, eyn'a?
What does The Bible say about coveting thy neighbors wife? Objectifying women based solely on looks by creepy old men is something that has never gone away.
Quote from: MUDPT on June 18, 2022, 07:40:53 AM
Juan's girlfriend https://www.instagram.com/p/BzoSu3VJqn7/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
She's been with him since his days in The Mexican League. Smart investment on her part .
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2022, 08:38:26 AM
What does The Bible say about coveting thy neighbors wife? Objectifying women based solely on looks by creepy old men is something that has never gone away.
No kidding. Wondering (out loud no less) about a former MU player's sex life. Jesus there are some weird people here.
So, do we do a rushed number retirement ceremony for him now?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 18, 2022, 03:19:48 PM
So, do we do a rushed number retirement ceremony for him now?
I assume you're referencing the retirement of Curry's number at Davidson, but you must have missed the story last month where he finished his undergrad degree so that he could be retired. Davidson has a rule that only graduates can have numbers retired. So that was clearly not rushed, just happy timing.
And there is no way in hell that Juan's number is retired by Marquette.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 19, 2022, 05:36:20 AM
And there is no way in hell that Juan's number is retired by Marquette.
Depends on how good Zach Wrightsil is, aina?
Retire Juan's pro number 95.
Bronze his jockstrap, hey?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 20, 2022, 06:03:15 AM
Haha I approve of this.
Off the top of my head I can't remember what number he even wore at MU.
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 20, 2022, 06:24:35 AM
Off the top of my head I can't remember what number he even wore at MU.
Let's put it this way,
Justin would be getting the number retired a lot quicker than Juan would.
Quote from: User Name #251 on June 20, 2022, 06:24:35 AM
Off the top of my head I can't remember what number he even wore at MU.
That's why I pointed out new #10 Zach Wrightsil ;)
Jamal Cain got a summer league invite from the Miami Heat. They do have a history with former Marquette players.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 24, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
Jamal Cain got a summer league invite from the Miami Heat. They do have a history with former Marquette players.
Good luck to Jamal!!
Darryl Morsell has signed with the Utah Jazz...good for him:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/bs-sp-darryl-morsell-utah-jazz-20220624-2u7vtlpcr5g5le7ponywogccfa-story.html
kur?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 19, 2022, 05:36:20 AM
I assume you're referencing the retirement of Curry's number at Davidson, but you must have missed the story last month where he finished his undergrad degree so that he could be retired. Davidson has a rule that only graduates can have numbers retired. So that was clearly not rushed, just happy timing.
And there is no way in hell that Juan's number is retired by Marquette.
No, I was referring to the rushed retirement for Wade, even though we had the same policy as Davidson.
Quote from: Spirit Of James on June 24, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
Darryl Morsell has signed with the Utah Jazz...good for him:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/bs-sp-darryl-morsell-utah-jazz-20220624-2u7vtlpcr5g5le7ponywogccfa-story.html
It's a longshot, but an Exhibit 10 deal at least gives him a chance.
Quote from: Spirit Of James on June 24, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
Darryl Morsell has signed with the Utah Jazz...good for him:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/bs-sp-darryl-morsell-utah-jazz-20220624-2u7vtlpcr5g5le7ponywogccfa-story.html
This is a good opportunity for Darryl. Essentially getting a camp invite and spot on the Jazz G League team.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 24, 2022, 05:11:11 PM
This is a good opportunity for Darryl. Essentially getting a camp invite and spot on the Jazz G League team.
I don't think he is promised or is automatically getting a G league spot. I believe he gets a camp invite, plays the summer league and if he earns a spot in G League, then it happens. The other 29 teams will be watching who gets waived after summer league and can invite them to their appropriate team to build a G League roster. Wishing him all the best in his efforts.
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2022, 05:33:57 PM
I don't think he is promised or is automatically getting a G league spot. I believe he gets a camp invite, plays the summer league and if he earns a spot in G League, then it happens. The other 29 teams will be watching who gets waived after summer league and can invite them to their appropriate team to build a G League roster. Wishing him all the best in his efforts.
Maybe not automatically, but most of the guys with these section 10 do get the G League with the team they signed the Section 10 with , DJ Carton had the same deal. Getting to the camp is a big positive.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 24, 2022, 05:36:57 PM
Maybe not automatically, but most of the guys with these section 10 do get the G League with the team they signed the Section 10 with , DJ Carton had the same deal. Getting to the camp is a big positive.
Exactly Hermie, not guaranteed but there is a probable good outcome for a spot. You never know how he will perform in camp and I hope he displays good skills.
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2022, 05:53:19 PM
Exactly Hermie, not guaranteed but there is a probable good outcome for a spot. You never know how he will perform in camp and I hope he displays good skills.
I think Daryll offers a lot . He has size, is a proven defender with a tough attitude , His offense improved quite a bit over his prior years. If he can get in a G League environment and continue to trend upward some teams may have an interest.
I don't think the Nuggets signing Collin Gillespie to a two way deal helps Markus cause . Either has to beet our Devon Reed for final two way spot or make the team as the 15th player now. Hope Markus has an outstanding summer league .
https://milehighsports.com/nuggets-to-add-villanova-guard-collin-gillespie-on-two-way-contract/
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/collin-gillespie-villanova-nba-draft-20220624.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 26, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
I don't think the Nuggets signing Collin Gillespie to a two way deal helps Markus cause . Either has to beet our Devon Reed for final two way spot or make the team as the 15th player now. Hope Markus has an outstanding summer league .
https://milehighsports.com/nuggets-to-add-villanova-guard-collin-gillespie-on-two-way-contract/
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/collin-gillespie-villanova-nba-draft-20220624.html
Markus has been over traded and drafted. Believe his two year is over and be a miracle if he gets a contract.
Guards in front of him:
Barton
Murray
Campazzo
Forbes
Hyland
Morris
Rivers
Reed
Braun - drafted
Gillespie - two way.
Quote from: nyg on June 26, 2022, 11:31:55 AM
Markus has been over traded and drafted. Believe his two year is over and be a miracle if he gets a contract.
Guards in front of him:
Barton
Murray
Campazzo
Forbes
Hyland
Morris
Rivers
Reed
Braun - drafted
Gillespie - two way.
Yes., Markus has used up his two way deal time with the Nuggets. He does have a 1.8 million qualifying offer from the Nuggets. Rivers and Forbes are unrestricted free agents, Reed and Compazzo are restricted free agents. He may not make the Nuggets roster, but he will get paid.
Markus has not yet had the chance to play in the summer league in his 2 NBA years, feel like that's a setting where he could put up a couple 30 point games and get some buzz
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 26, 2022, 11:45:52 AM
Yes., Markus has used up his two way deal time with the Nuggets. He does have a 1.8 million qualifying offer from the Nuggets. Rivers and Forbes are unrestricted free agents, Reed and Compazzo are restricted free agents. He may not make the Nuggets roster, but he will get paid.
Markus needs to make some teams roster to earn that qualifying offer. Wishing him the best of luck.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 26, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
Markus needs to make some teams roster to earn that qualifying offer. Wishing him the best of luck.
Heres what I found:
Qualifying offers
For a player to become a restricted free agent, his team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day after the last game of the NBA Finals.
The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed deal, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 26, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
Heres what I found:
Qualifying offers
For a player to become a restricted free agent, his team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day after the last game of the NBA Finals.
The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed deal, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it.
Markus does not have a 2022 qualifying offer yet . That $ 1.8 million figure is what the offer would be if it was made .
Last year he had a qualifying offer for a two way with a 50k guarantee. He obviously made the team and earned the full amount of his contract for the year .
Everywhere I look it shows that he has the qualifying offer, not that he is guaranteed a roster spot, but he is guaranteed the $$
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 26, 2022, 04:13:44 PM
Everywhere I look it shows that he has the qualifying offer, not that he is guaranteed a roster spot, but he is guaranteed the $$
The Nuggets have a deadline of June 30,2022
to make Markus a qualify offer. Here is a list of all the players on their current roster, it does not include the recently drafted players. They had two first round picks , a second and Gillespie signed a two way.
There are 17 players on an NBA Roster. 15 plus two two-way. 3 of those spots are taken by the two first round draft picks ( guaranteed contracts) and Gillespie. So that leaves 14 available and lots of players competing .
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/denver-nuggets/cap/
WesMat 21-22 highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FmZV_w3vU&t=3s)
https://www.youtube.com/v/l5FmZV_w3vU&t=3s
Wonder how this trade will impact Markus chances for making the Nuggets roster this year
https://nypost.com/2022/06/29/nuggets-trade-monte-morris-will-barton-to-wizards-for-kcp-ish-smith/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 29, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
Wonder how this trade will impact Markus chances for making the Nuggets roster this year
https://nypost.com/2022/06/29/nuggets-trade-monte-morris-will-barton-to-wizards-for-kcp-ish-smith/
I dont think a two guards for two guards trade is that impactful.
Quote from: jfp61 on June 29, 2022, 03:25:24 PM
I dont think a two guards for two guards trade is that impactful.
He should have a better chance of beating out Ish Smith instead of Monte Morris.
I bet Pope is kept and ish is bought out
So it may be two out for one in which would be helpful
I believe this would be a NBA record for the number of teams in Smith's career, loved him at Wake but apparently everyone in the NBA thinks he's the equivalent to a hot potato.
Quote from: PBRme on June 29, 2022, 03:33:22 PM
I bet Pope is kept and ish is bought out
So it may be two out for one in which would be helpful
I agree but including Gillespie on a signed two way, that's eight guards in front of Markus now, with Markus and Gillespie basically tied for last place.
As of today Markus not on Denver's Summer League team.
Looks like Juan not getting qualifying offer from The Warriors and will now be an unrestricted free agent . Hopefully he signs up with another team
https://mobile.twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1542241273184104448?cxt=HHwWgMCt4YmRkucqAAAA
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 29, 2022, 05:33:54 PM
Looks like Juan not getting qualifying offer from The Warriors and will now be an unrestricted free agent . Hopefully he signs up with another team
https://mobile.twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1542241273184104448?cxt=HHwWgMCt4YmRkucqAAAA
Saw that coming after mid season benching when injured players returned.
He is 29 and great back story on his earning roster spot, along with NBA ring. Can't take that away from him. Believe the NBA run is over.
Quote from: nyg on June 29, 2022, 06:32:34 PM
Saw that coming after mid season benching when injured players returned.
He is 29 and great back story on his earning roster spot, along with NBA ring. Can't take that away from him. Believe the NBA run is over.
Doubtful the run is over.
He will get a spot on a team. Will it be much of a role? Probably not.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/celtics-sam-hauser-to-become-restricted-free-agent.html
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/6/29/23188989/boston-celtics-make-housekeeping-moves-on-sam-hauser-brodric-thomas-and-juwan-morgan-brad-stevens
Celtic plans for Sam.
Yeah, goodie Woj got rid of dat worthless pos, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2022, 07:38:59 AM
Yeah, goodie Woj got rid of dat worthless pos, aina?
Yes, he's a locker room cancer
A man's coach woulda had da stones to deal with the entire Howard/Hausers fiasco quickly and efficiently without losin' da team. Butt den again, we're talkin' Woj here, aka Buffoon 4, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
A man's coach woulda had da stones to deal with the entire Howard/Hausers fiasco quickly and efficiently without losin' da team. Butt den again, we're talkin' Woj here, aka Buffoon 4, aina?
Sure, Jan
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
A man's coach woulda had da stones to deal with the entire Howard/Hausers fiasco quickly and efficiently without losin' da team. Butt den again, we're talkin' Woj here, aka Buffoon 4, aina?
Yes. I think you should continue to bring this up three years after the fact when no one is disagreeing with you.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
A man's coach woulda had da stones to deal with the entire Howard/Hausers fiasco quickly and efficiently without losin' da team. Butt den again, we're talkin' Woj here, aka Buffoon 4, aina?
You do have a miserable life old man. Forgot to take your meds again?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
A man's coach woulda had da stones to deal with the entire Howard/Hausers fiasco quickly and efficiently without losin' da team. Butt den again, we're talkin' Woj here, aka Buffoon 4, aina?
Airline tickets were booked for the first thing smoking MKE --> LGA for that Saturday AM. Will never forget Markus' hero ball pull up while Sam was wide open. Wojo's inability to reel in Markus and operate a team cost my son and I a great weekend in NYC
but more importanly cost MU a run at the Final Four. The pieces were in place. Never forget.
Quote from: The Lens on June 30, 2022, 08:37:08 AM
Airline tickets were booked for the first thing smoking MKE --> LGA for that Saturday AM. Will never forget Markus' hero ball pull up while Sam was wide open. Wojo's inability to reel in Markus and operate a team cost my son and I a great weekend in NYC but more importanly cost MU a run at the Final Four. The pieces were in place. Never forget.
Joey would have fallen down
Quote from: The Lens on June 30, 2022, 08:37:08 AM
Airline tickets were booked for the first thing smoking MKE --> LGA for that Saturday AM. Will never forget Markus' hero ball pull up while Sam was wide open. Wojo's inability to reel in Markus and operate a team cost my son and I a great weekend in NYC but more importanly cost MU a run at the Final Four. The pieces were in place. Never forget.
HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
Good one!
2003 Rankings by Week
1/20 20th
1/27 18th
2/3 15th
2/10 11th
2/17 11th
2/24 10th
2019 Rankings by Week
1/21 12th
1/28 10th
2/4 10th
2/11 10th
2/18 10th
2/25 11th
Quote from: nyg on June 29, 2022, 04:41:35 PM
I agree but including Gillespie on a signed two way, that's eight guards in front of Markus now, with Markus and Gillespie basically tied for last place.
As of today Markus not on Denver's Summer League team.
Markus is just a little bit late to the NBA. The three point specialist is a dying breed with everyone on the floor now capable to some degree or another of knocking down the trey ball.
Quote from: The Lens on June 30, 2022, 08:37:08 AM
Airline tickets were booked for the first thing smoking MKE --> LGA for that Saturday AM. Will never forget Markus' hero ball pull up while Sam was wide open. Wojo's inability to reel in Markus and operate a team cost my son and I a great weekend in NYC but more importanly cost MU a run at the Final Four. The pieces were in place. Never forget.
your great time in NYC determined by a bunch of 18-21 yr old basketball players. Really? I'll never forget Markus was The Man that put butts in the seats and gave MU some national publicity. Hausers? Not so much. Never forget.
Quote from: The Lens on June 30, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
2003 Rankings by Week
1/20 20th
1/27 18th
2/3 15th
2/10 11th
2/17 11th
2/24 10th
2019 Rankings by Week
1/21 12th
1/28 10th
2/4 10th
2/11 10th
2/18 10th
2/25 11th
They weren't as good as their rankings. However, had the roster stayed together, a Final 4 a year later would not have been a shock. I doubt the staff could have navigated March without losing a game, though.
Quote from: tower912 on June 30, 2022, 07:14:10 AM
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/celtics-sam-hauser-to-become-restricted-free-agent.html
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/6/29/23188989/boston-celtics-make-housekeeping-moves-on-sam-hauser-brodric-thomas-and-juwan-morgan-brad-stevens
Celtic plans for Sam.
Good. Always liked Sam. During has time at Marquette, I thought he had a shot at an NBA career, and as his one season at Virginia progressed I was sure enough about it to make a bet to that effect with former Scoop sensation Crash.
Sam is a solid fundamental player who is elite at a skill valued by every NBA team. He's a better all-around player than Novak was, and he could hang around for 10 years like Novak did.
Sam was put in an impossible situation by his baby bro, who has gone on to greatness under a HoF coach.
Quote from: The Lens on June 30, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
2003 Rankings by Week
1/20 20th
1/27 18th
2/3 15th
2/10 11th
2/17 11th
2/24 10th
2019 Rankings by Week
1/21 12th
1/28 10th
2/4 10th
2/11 10th
2/18 10th
2/25 11th
I love how you are looking at the rankings of our final four team right after back to back loses to East Carolina and Dayton that happened at the start of the calendar.
In 2019, all of those overtime and small margin wins vs Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier, Georgetown really screamed final four. What was your favorite loss that year, was it losing by 23 to a bad Indiana team, Losing by 20 to St. Johns, or Georgetown on Senior day? I really liked Makus Howard's Guard cover being Joseph Cartouny.
Our 2019 KP rating was never above 24. Shaka Smarts team peaked at 23 last year before the UCONN game. It looks like Sam Hauser is going to be the only NBA talent on that team that lasts over 3 years in the league. Though im cheering for Jamal.
That 2019 hardly ended up being better than the 2017 team.
Quote from: jfp61 on June 30, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
I love how you are looking at the rankings of our final four team right after back to back loses to East Carolina and Dayton that happened at the start of the calendar.
In 2019, all of those overtime and small margin wins vs Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier, Georgetown really screamed final four. What was your favorite loss that year, was it losing by 23 to a bad Indiana team, Losing by 20 to St. Johns, or Georgetown on Senior day? I really liked Makus Howard's Guard cover being Joseph Cartouny.
Our 2019 KP rating was never above 24. Shaka Smarts team peaked at 23 last year before the UCONN game. It looks like Sam Hauser is going to be the only NBA talent on that team that lasts over 3 years in the league. Though im cheering for Jamal.
That 2019 hardly ended up being better than the 2017 team.
I booked flights for NYC the Saturday afternoon when we won at Providence to 23-4, 12-2 in conference. We went 1-6 the rest of the way.
Re: 2003, I started the comp after we won 4 in a row to go 4-1 in conf and 12-3 overall. I don't think I was cherry picking. 2019 had Indiana, 2003 had ND (and Dayton, and ECU). Losses happen.
Markus does not receive qualifying offer . Is now an unrestricted free agent . Will be interesting to see who picks him up.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/markus-howard-not-extended-qualifying-offer/
Here's how the Nuggets roster shakes out so far
https://gazette.com/sports/denver-nuggets-free-agency-updates-jokic-agrees-to-supermax-deandre-jordan-joins-squad/article_9b0e3dbc-f82a-11ec-9586-c7fa60068992.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 30, 2022, 05:28:51 PM
Markus does not receive qualifying offer . Is now an unrestricted free agent . Will be interesting to see who picks him up.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/markus-howard-not-extended-qualifying-offer/
Here's how the Nuggets roster shakes out so far
https://gazette.com/sports/denver-nuggets-free-agency-updates-jokic-agrees-to-supermax-deandre-jordan-joins-squad/article_9b0e3dbc-f82a-11ec-9586-c7fa60068992.html
Will be interesting if anyone picks him up. Best of luck to him, uphill NBA battle now.
Now we know why he was not on Denver's Summer League roster.
Quote from: MU82 on June 30, 2022, 11:01:53 AM
Good. Always liked Sam. During has time at Marquette, I thought he had a shot at an NBA career, and as his one season at Virginia progressed I was sure enough about it to make a bet to that effect with former Scoop sensation Crash.
Sam is a solid fundamental player who is elite at a skill valued by every NBA team. He's a better all-around player than Novak was, and he could hang around for 10 years like Novak did.
Sam was put in an impossible situation by his baby bro, who has gone on to greatness under a HoF coach.
i wish Sam had finished at MU, but I get it. Joey made it tough. I'm a Celtics-guy originally from Mass. MU alum residing in WI since sr yr HS. Go Sammy!
Juan Anderson has signed with the Lakers per his agent
https://twitter.com/kendra__andrews/status/1542655803156353025?s=21&t=YOQiW4f-55kAYnDtIXNjwQ
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 30, 2022, 06:47:45 PM
Juan Anderson has signed with the Lakers per his agent
https://twitter.com/kendra__andrews/status/1542655803156353025?s=21&t=YOQiW4f-55kAYnDtIXNjwQ
Excellent News for Juan. The Lakers need a guy like Juan on their roster .Being in LA helps with his Mexican fan base
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Excellent News for Juan. The Lakers need a guy like Juan on their roster .Being in LA helps with his Mexican fan base
I don't know how big a Mexican fan base Juan has, but an incredible story continues.
Did not think he would be signed and very happy for him. Will be curious to see details of contract.
Wes returning to the Bucks. Excellent news.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038875-bucks-rumors-wes-matthews-agrees-to-1-year-contract-to-stay-in-milwaukee
Juan got a one year deal at $1.9 million, fully guaranteed.
Quote from: nyg on June 30, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Juan got a one year deal at $1.9 million, fully guaranteed.
That's awesome. Excited to see him continue his career.
Not confirmed yet but Jae Crowder favored to resign with the Heat and reunite with Jimmy
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Excellent News for Juan. The Lakers need a guy like Juan on their roster .Being in LA helps with his Mexican fan base
Nice shout out
https://twitter.com/StephenCurry30/status/1542666539756707840?cxt=HHwWgICj0ezC0-gqAAAA (https://twitter.com/StephenCurry30/status/1542666539756707840?cxt=HHwWgICj0ezC0-gqAAAA)
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 30, 2022, 10:32:59 PM
Not confirmed yet but Jae Crowder favored to resign with the Heat and reunite with Jimmy
He'd have to be traded there.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 01, 2022, 09:40:30 AM
He'd have to be traded there.
If KD to Phoenix, this could be part of deal?
Quote from: nyg on June 30, 2022, 07:24:24 PM
I don't know how big a Mexican fan base Juan has, but an incredible story continues.
Did not think he would be signed and very happy for him. Will be curious to see details of contract.
Its big and growing. He's becoming the face of Mexican basketball.
As for Markus, I keep thinking Shane Larkin for him. Another undersized scorefirst PG. Minimal NBA success, but has become a superstar for Andalou Efes, who are basically the best team in Europe the last few years. If he doesn't latch on, and he has a good agent, I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up in Spain, Turkey, or one of the top 2-3 French teams.
Another ball of energy
Justin Lewis, a 6-foot-7 forward out of Marquette, signed a two-way contract with the Bulls immediately after going undrafted last week. His spirit and enthusiasm have been likened to Terry's.
"I'm excited about Justin Lewis," Bryant said. "That man comes with a lot of energy every day."
Bryant praised Lewis' versatility, saying he can guard almost every position and added he's excited to see what he'll do in Las Vegas.
"He's very versatile," Bryant said. "I think we can put him in a lot of different spots. But the dude comes with a smile, he's always in the gym. I probably had to kick him out of the gym, I forget what night it was, I said, 'Hey, we have a long week and we haven't started playing games.' He's just in here and his energy is very infectious, almost like D.T."
Ball of energy? Hmmmm?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 02, 2022, 11:31:30 PM
Another ball of energy
Justin Lewis, a 6-foot-7 forward out of Marquette, signed a two-way contract with the Bulls immediately after going undrafted last week. His spirit and enthusiasm have been likened to Terry's.
"I'm excited about Justin Lewis," Bryant said. "That man comes with a lot of energy every day."
Bryant praised Lewis' versatility, saying he can guard almost every position and added he's excited to see what he'll do in Las Vegas.
"He's very versatile," Bryant said. "I think we can put him in a lot of different spots. But the dude comes with a smile, he's always in the gym. I probably had to kick him out of the gym, I forget what night it was, I said, 'Hey, we have a long week and we haven't started playing games.' He's just in here and his energy is very infectious, almost like D.T."
Ball of energy? Hmmmm?
Good riddance, aina?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 03, 2022, 07:55:59 AM
Good riddance, aina?
He just didn't have the drive to hack it in the college game. We need guys who want it more.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 02, 2022, 11:31:30 PM
Another ball of energy
Justin Lewis, a 6-foot-7 forward out of Marquette, signed a two-way contract with the Bulls immediately after going undrafted last week. His spirit and enthusiasm have been likened to Terry's.
"I'm excited about Justin Lewis," Bryant said. "That man comes with a lot of energy every day."
Bryant praised Lewis' versatility, saying he can guard almost every position and added he's excited to see what he'll do in Las Vegas.
"He's very versatile," Bryant said. "I think we can put him in a lot of different spots. But the dude comes with a smile, he's always in the gym. I probably had to kick him out of the gym, I forget what night it was, I said, 'Hey, we have a long week and we haven't started playing games.' He's just in here and his energy is very infectious, almost like D.T."
Ball of energy? Hmmmm?
This is great to read. Thank you
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 03, 2022, 07:55:59 AM
Good riddance, aina?
Yeah I'm glad he is GOWNE, we'll be much better.
What a lazy write up on him.
That was a quote from the coach of the Bull's summer league team. I'm looking forward to the games. Hope he does well and is another MU player in the league for a long time.
Sam Nice New Contract with Celtics.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/03/sports/celtics-re-sign-forward-sam-hauser-three-year-deal/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 03, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Sam Nice New Contract with Celtics.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/03/sports/celtics-re-sign-forward-sam-hauser-three-year-deal/
First and foremost, the shooting stands out," coach Ime Udoka said in April. "Elite shooter . . . But he's a very cerebral player across the board. He's fit in well in games that he's played early in the season when guys were injured. He plugged right in and he didn't really miss a beat as far as, defensively, and some of the things we were looking for. So, always in the right spot, great team defender and knows how to use himself, his angles and a cerebral guy, not just offensively but defensively as well."
Yeah, wee didant kneed dem kinda playas know how, aina?
He gowne Doc......let it go.
I let it go a long time ago. But, you know as well as I, that there are posters here who will rip players after they've left the program. Oh, they're chit or soft, but never admitting that maybe the coach fooked up handling a tough situation. For those who think we were so talented as to not needing the Hausers, I'll say flat out, "you don't know ball," aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2022, 04:53:08 PM
I let it go a long time ago. But, you know as well as I, that there are posters here who will rip players after they've left the program. Oh, they're chit or soft, but never admitting that maybe the coach fooked up handling a tough situation. For those who think we were so talented as to not needing the Hausers, I'll say flat out, "you don't know ball," aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2022, 04:53:08 PM
I let it go a long time ago. But, you know as well as I, that there are posters here who will rip players after they've left the program. Oh, they're chit or soft, but never admitting that maybe the coach fooked up handling a tough situation. For those who think we were so talented as to not needing the Justin Lewis, I'll say flat out, "you don't know ball," aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
First and foremost, the shooting stands out," coach Ime Udoka said in April. "Elite shooter . . . But he's a very cerebral player across the board. He's fit in well in games that he's played early in the season when guys were injured. He plugged right in and he didn't really miss a beat as far as, defensively, and some of the things we were looking for. So, always in the right spot, great team defender and knows how to use himself, his angles and a cerebral guy, not just offensively but defensively as well."
Yeah, wee didant kneed dem kinda playas know how, aina?
Smart player/dumb coach often doesn't end well.
Who?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 03, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Sam Nice New Contract with Celtics.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/03/sports/celtics-re-sign-forward-sam-hauser-three-year-deal/
Good for Sam. Wish he would have stuck around despite his brother leaving. Great representative of MU. Have to believe bridges will be mended and he will be an active MU supporter at some point. I'll always root for him. Was very nice to my family and me in Maui. Good player and a class act.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2022, 04:53:08 PM
I let it go a long time ago. But, you know as well as I, that there are posters here who will rip players after they've left the program. Oh, they're chit or soft, but never admitting that maybe the coach fooked up handling a tough situation. For those who think we were so talented as to not needing the Hausers, I'll say flat out, "you don't know ball," aina?
Grandpa unhinged....
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 03, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
Good for Sam. Wish he would have stuck around despite his brother leaving. Great representative of MU. Have to believe bridges will be mended and he will be an active MU supporter at some point. I'll always root for him. Was very nice to my family and me in Maui. Good player and a class act.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 03, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
Good for Sam. Wish he would have stuck around despite his brother leaving. Great representative of MU. Have to believe bridges will be mended and he will be an active MU supporter at some point. I'll always root for him. Was very nice to my family and me in Maui. Good player and a class act.
I don't think Sam or his brother had any qualms with anyone outside of Howard and the weakest coaching staff in Marquette history. I'm sure Sam will be fine with Marquette, but scoop... Who knows.
jfb being jfb...ahhh, he's just a joshing with the boys, eyn'a?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jimmy-butler-f-bomb-pj-tucker-joel-embiid
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 07, 2022, 08:35:15 PM
jfb being jfb...ahhh, he's just a joshing with the boys, eyn'a?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jimmy-butler-f-bomb-pj-tucker-joel-embiid
He literally praised Embiid in the playoffs, said he loves him, and Embiid had hinted at wanting to join the Heat during the season. Maybe don't read into random out of context IG comments that could easily be a joke.
LOL at the source for sports news tho.
Will be in London for a week. Anything beyond the obvious stuff that we have to check out? Is the day trip to Bath worth it?
Morselll with a DNP-return to competition reconditioning, whatever that means
https://twitter.com/chicagobulls/status/1545242329883332610?s=21&t=prxhGUxFAFEcNJajXtb61w
Good for Justin
Quote from: JWags85 on July 07, 2022, 09:12:32 PM
He literally praised Embiid in the playoffs, said he loves him, and Embiid had hinted at wanting to join the Heat during the season. Maybe don't read into random out of context IG comments that could easily be a joke.
LOL at the source for sports news tho.
yeah, weird how i found it there ;) but hadn't seen it in my usual sources...tmz, mother jones or salon
just found it interesting, seemed like more trying to raise a stink where there ain't any
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 08, 2022, 05:43:04 AM
https://twitter.com/chicagobulls/status/1545242329883332610?s=21&t=prxhGUxFAFEcNJajXtb61w
Good for Justin
For those who want to check out Lewis vs. his peers, the Bulls' first 2 summer league games will be on ESPN channels today at 3 CT and Sunday at 4 CT.
https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-summer-league-2022-schedule-and-roster
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2022/7/1/23189598/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-nba-summer-league-lewis-morsell-cain-john
Here is the schedule for all related to MUBB.
Sam Hauser summer league schedule. Should be getting a lot of minutes .
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-boston-celtics-summer-league-roster-schedule-tv-channel-live-stream-players-to-watch/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 08, 2022, 11:36:36 AM
Sam Hauser summer league schedule. Should be getting a lot of minutes .
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-boston-celtics-summer-league-roster-schedule-tv-channel-live-stream-players-to-watch/
Please put this in the Virginia alumni thread.
Quote from: We R Final Four on July 08, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2022/7/1/23189598/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-nba-summer-league-lewis-morsell-cain-john
Here is the schedule for all related to MUBB.
Thanks for posting. I forgot Jamal was with the Heat's entry. Max Strus opened some eyes with a great summer league performance last year (21ppg, 6rpg), so one never knows.
Also, that schedule has a different time for Sunday's Bulls-Knicks game than the Bulls' site, so I recommend that those interested in seeing Lewis check ESPN's schedule on Sunday.
Quote from: MU82 on July 08, 2022, 01:37:47 PM
Thanks for posting. I forgot Jamal was with the Heat's entry. Max Strus opened some eyes with a great summer league performance last year (21ppg, 6rpg), so one never knows.
Also, that schedule has a different time for Sunday's Bulls-Knicks game than the Bulls' site, so I recommend that those interested in seeing Lewis check ESPN's schedule on Sunday.
Jamal is a Detroit alum. Please discuss him elsewhere
Oakland.
Lewis in the game right now vs Dallas.
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on July 08, 2022, 03:36:54 PM
Lewis in the game right now vs Dallas.
Started and has two dunks.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 08, 2022, 01:43:25 PM
Jamal is a Detroit alum. Please discuss him elsewhere
Also an MU alum
On the heels of winning a championship with Steph, this is Juan's world. How crazy is this?
https://twitter.com/nba/status/1545624932926820352?s=21&t=pwoqh_zaBIPFSLIJ1WuQrg (https://twitter.com/nba/status/1545624932926820352?s=21&t=pwoqh_zaBIPFSLIJ1WuQrg)
Quote from: Wade for President on July 09, 2022, 12:48:12 AM
On the heels of winning a championship with Steph, this is Juan's world. How crazy is this?
https://twitter.com/nba/status/1545624932926820352?s=21&t=pwoqh_zaBIPFSLIJ1WuQrg (https://twitter.com/nba/status/1545624932926820352?s=21&t=pwoqh_zaBIPFSLIJ1WuQrg)
Haha that will probably be one of his shining moments
Quote from: DoctorV on July 09, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Haha that will probably be one of his shining moments
Juan's or LBJ's?
Quote from: DoctorV on July 09, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Haha that will probably be one of his shining moments
That, and checking his deposit statement every two weeks.
https://theathletic.com/3412517/2022/07/10/bulls-justin-lewis-summer-league/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983
Quote from: We R Final Four on July 11, 2022, 11:09:18 AM
https://theathletic.com/3412517/2022/07/10/bulls-justin-lewis-summer-league/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983
Thanks for the link. It's the first extended interview of Justin that I've seen since draft night. Interesting that he compared himself to Jae. Also used the word "tough" to describe himself and his game several times.
The writer must be misguided, though, as he said this:
Lewis, a 6-foot-7 forward from Marquette, is described as a hard worker and an eager learner who also is a ball of energy.
If he had read Scoop, he'd have know that Lewis is more like a slacker who is also a sled of laziness.
Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 2022, 06:16:20 PM
Thanks for the link. It's the first extended interview of Justin that I've seen since draft night. Interesting that he compared himself to Jae. Also used the word "tough" to describe himself and his game several times.
The writer must be misguided, though, as he said this:
Lewis, a 6-foot-7 forward from Marquette, is described as a hard worker and an eager learner who also is a ball of energy.
If he had read Scoop, he'd have know that Lewis is more like a slacker who is also a sled of laziness.
Oh great. Another horse to beat to death.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 11, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
Oh great. Another horse to beat to death.
It was other Scoopers' lazy pony.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 11, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
Oh great. Another horse to beat to death.
This beat a horse to death thing is lazy.
Justin with 10 points and 5 boards yesterday in a Bulls win.
Jamal Cain with 11 points and 11 boards yesterday in a loss for the Heat.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on July 17, 2022, 10:17:58 AM
Justin with 10 points and 5 boards yesterday in a Bulls win.
Jamal Cain with 11 points and 11 boards yesterday in a loss for the Heat.
As pointed out in another thread, Jamal has earned a camp invite with the Heat. I think Jamal will do well on the Heat G League team this year.
Warriors got the Espy for best team
Award was accepted by Curry, Klay, Draymond, Iggy..........Juan
The Espys are still a thing?
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 21, 2022, 05:32:09 AM
The Espys are still a thing?
Yep. Always thought they were dumb. The awards that matter are handed out after a teams respective season. Teams and players don't need ESPNs blessing. Stupid and useless. Surprised these athletes even go. Must be good parties afterward.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 21, 2022, 08:48:41 AM
Yep. Always thought they were dumb. The awards that matter are handed out after a teams respective season. Teams and players don't need ESPNs blessing. Stupid and useless. Surprised these athletes even go. Must be good parties afterward.
You're surprised athletes go to something celebrating athletes?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 09:05:56 AM
You're surprised athletes go to something celebrating athletes?
Ha! No. Must be good parties. The awards likely mean nothing to them.
Ask Curry whether a finals MVP or an Espy for best male athlete means more? I think he would start laughing.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on July 21, 2022, 09:10:26 AM
Ha! No. Must be good parties. The awards likely mean nothing to them.
Ask Curry whether a finals MVP or an Espy for best male athlete means more? I think he would start laughing.
I know which one means more and agree the ESPYs are dumb but it's still a chance to celebrate being an athlete and they love their egos getting stroked
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 09:16:32 AM
I know which one means more and agree the ESPYs are dumb but it's still a chance to celebrate being an athlete and they love their egos getting stroked
True. I shouldn't have said "surprised".
Apparently enough people watch the ESPYs to sell enough ads to justify their existence.
It doesn't bother me at all that they exist. Why would it? And I'm sure it doesn't bother ESPN at all that I have never watched even one second of one ESPY telecast. Why would it?
It's filler for the day after the All Star Game. Probably the only day on the calendar with none of the major four leagues or college sports playing.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 21, 2022, 09:54:23 AM
It's filler for the day after the All Star Game. Probably the only day on the calendar with none of the major four leagues or college sports playing.
Exactly. There's no NBA, NHL, college basketball, or college football going on. It's the middle of the week so no golf is going on. And it's the middle of a 162 game MLB season where the games don't mean much and there aren't even any games being played on the day. It's fun to see the highlights from the past year of athletics, and the awards like the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage and the Jimmy V Award for Perseverance are usually pretty cool features.
If they aired this on a Sunday night of Week 5 of the NFL would I be glued to ESPN? No. But I'd probably go back and watch the Jimmy V and Arthur Ashe Awards on Youtube at some point. As it is, I watched the last 2 hours after we got home from dinner because what else was on TV?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 21, 2022, 09:59:33 AM
Exactly. There's no NBA, NHL, college basketball, or college football going on. It's the middle of the week so no golf is going on. And it's the middle of a 162 game MLB season where the games don't mean much and there aren't even any games being played on the day. It's fun to see the highlights from the past year of athletics, and the awards like the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage and the Jimmy V Award for Perseverance are usually pretty cool features.
If they aired this on a Sunday night of Week 5 of the NFL would I be glued to ESPN? No. But I'd probably go back and watch the Jimmy V and Arthur Ashe Awards on Youtube at some point. As it is, I watched the last 2 hours after we got home from dinner because what else was on TV?
After a night out with the better half, you watch the ESPYs? Who said romance is dead.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2022, 11:01:22 AM
After a night out with the better half, you watch the ESPYs? Who said romance is dead.
Fox is coming out with the Foxys to rival it.
It seems like Kur Kuath is headed to play in Greece.
https://twitter.com/LAVRIO_BC/status/1550107255261073408?cxt=HHwWgMC8mb-Vi4MrAAAA
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 01:09:39 PM
It seems like Kur Kuath is headed to play in Greece.
https://twitter.com/LAVRIO_BC/status/1550107255261073408?cxt=HHwWgMC8mb-Vi4MrAAAA
That's a solid club that finished near the top in a very good Greek League. Good for him.
Nowhere near fal-awful as far as landing spots
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
Nowhere near fal-awful as far as landing spots
BOOOOOO. Falafel is Middle Eastern, not Greek. Be feta bro!
Quote from: JWags85 on July 21, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
BOOOOOO. Falafel is Middle Eastern, not Greek. Be feta bro!
E gypt us out of a good pun.
Sheesh. Kabob
Feeling quite gyro-ic.
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 04:31:05 PM
Feeling quite gyro-ic.
Heard he is replacing Ouzo Barro
Is Greek yogurt COLE?
Jae Crowder and the Suns have agreed to attempt to trade him.
Jae twitted over the weekend, "One must seek work where he is wanted."
https://twitter.com/CJC9BOSS/status/1574154769970634752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1574154769970634752%7Ctwgr%5E67736615ae3d917b259813c83d173c26712030df%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2Fnba%2Fstory%2F_%2Fid%2F34665442%2Fsources-phoenix-suns-jae-crowder-skip-training-camp-amid-trade-talks
He's entering the final season of his 3-year, $30 million contract.
I'm not sure there's a path to a trade, but he'd be really good on the Bucks in my opinion. Some added toughness and shooting.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 26, 2022, 08:29:16 AM
I'm not sure there's a path to a trade, but he'd be really good on the Bucks in my opinion. Some added toughness and shooting.
Thought Bucks roster is full with recent signings? I might be wrong...
Quote from: Newsdreams on September 26, 2022, 08:39:24 AM
Thought Bucks roster is full with recent signings? I might be wrong...
I like Joe Ingles, but I'd definitely trade him for Jae. Not that it'll happen, but both have expiring contracts at the end of the year, and the Bucks will be lucky to get a healthy Ingles for half of the season.
Quote from: Newsdreams on September 26, 2022, 08:39:24 AM
Thought Bucks roster is full with recent signings? I might be wrong...
It would take a trade to get Jae. I'm not really sure what the Bucks have to offer other than Grayson Allen, so I don't know that the Suns would trade with the Bucks.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 26, 2022, 09:02:18 AM
It would take a trade to get Jae. I'm not really sure what the Bucks have to offer other than Grayson Allen, so I don't know that the Suns would trade with the Bucks.
Jae could slide into the PJ role beautifully, but you're right, I don't think the Bucks have enough to get it done.
Social media indicated he's trying to get back to Miami.
Justin Lewis on a 2 way still per Bulls training camp release. Can those smarter than me at NBA stuff tell me if this is good news for Justin?
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/)
Quote from: JakeBarnes on September 26, 2022, 12:32:30 PM
Justin Lewis on a 2 way still per Bulls training camp release. Can those smarter than me at NBA stuff tell me if this is good news for Justin?
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/)
Was it ever confirmed if he tore his ACL or not? If he did then that's pretty cool of the bulls to honor his contract
Quote from: swoopem on September 26, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
Was it ever confirmed if he tore his ACL or not? If he did then that's pretty cool of the bulls to honor his contract
Yes he tore his ACL. Lewis confirmed it himself.
Itz chump change, aina?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on September 26, 2022, 12:32:30 PM
Justin Lewis on a 2 way still per Bulls training camp release. Can those smarter than me at NBA stuff tell me if this is good news for Justin?
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2022/09/26/chicago-bulls-officially-announce-training-camp-roster-one-two-way-spot-up-for-grabs/)
Came here to post this. Great to see and good news for Justin.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2022, 12:53:13 PM
Itz chump change, aina?
Yes, but since an NBA team is only allowed to have two on two-way contracts, they are a limited resource.
Jimmy Buckets with an A+ promo for the Miami Heat Golden Oldies dance group.
https://twitter.com/BradyHawk305/status/1574756760484732928?t=Q6Mjah_B8CLDWhYrowMJ8w&s=19
Not sure where to put it, so I'll drop it here
Markus played his first game in Europe today. Played 9 minutes off the bench.
Scored 15 points
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp)
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 30, 2022, 03:45:04 PM
Not sure where to put it, so I'll drop it here
Markus played his first game in Europe today. Played 9 minutes off the bench.
Scored 15 points
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp)
Not bad - tenth in minutes second in scoring. Will be interesting to see how he progresses.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 30, 2022, 03:45:04 PM
Not sure where to put it, so I'll drop it here
Markus played his first game in Europe today. Played 9 minutes off the bench.
Scored 15 points
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2022/0930_108_138.asp)
Lol at 9 shots in 9 minutes, gotta love it. Not one of those guys that needs time to get into the flow of the game I guess.
Quote from: THRILLHO on September 30, 2022, 05:27:17 PM
Lol at 9 shots in 9 minutes, gotta love it. Not one of those guys that needs time to get into the flow of the game I guess.
Selfish and sucks per some of the Scoop guys
What was his overall plus minus in the NBA? I know it would be a limited sample size but I think he gets another shot at some point. He is a gifted scorer. Has to be a place for him in the NBA somewhere.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on September 30, 2022, 08:43:36 PM
What was his overall plus minus in the NBA? I know it would be a limited sample size but I think he gets another shot at some point. He is a gifted scorer. Has to be a place for him in the NBA somewhere.
Bad body language....
https://twitter.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1578856270605733888
Looks like Kur found his way over to one of the Greek leagues and he has a former Big East foe as his PG.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 09, 2022, 07:08:14 AM
https://twitter.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1578856270605733888
Looks like Kur found his way over to one of the Greek leagues and he has a former Big East foe as his PG.
He even made the dunk!
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 26, 2022, 12:49:36 PM
Yes he tore his ACL. Lewis confirmed it himself.
He also confirmed he was returning to MU, aina
Ps - jazz say they have signed morsell
Justin Lewis released from his contract, but will rehab with the team.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2022/10/14/bulls-justin-lewis-waive-acl-injury/
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 15, 2022, 06:43:26 AM
Justin Lewis released from his contract, but will rehab with the team.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2022/10/14/bulls-justin-lewis-waive-acl-injury/
Sucks not to be paid for a year plus. Hope he had a good insurance policy.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 15, 2022, 06:43:26 AM
Justin Lewis released from his contract, but will rehab with the team.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2022/10/14/bulls-justin-lewis-waive-acl-injury/
Ughhhh.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 15, 2022, 07:26:00 AM
Sucks not to be paid for a year plus. Hope he had a good insurance policy.
Unfortunate - but prudent by the team. Why pay a contract for a fringe player when you know he can't play immediately. Although, since they seem committed to helping him rehab - I read that a a good sign that they'd like to give him a chance (again) once he's healthy.
How about Wes Matthew's putting a dagger into Doc Rivers 76ers team. 3 pointer to take the lead late in the game.
MU on MU crime.
Quote from: fjm on October 20, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
How about Wes Matthew's putting a dagger into Doc Rivers 76ers team. 3 pointer to take the lead late in the game.
MU on MU crime.
Saw that—that was fantastic.
Interesting intentional missed FT by Lopez to seal the win.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 20, 2022, 09:48:16 PM
Saw that—that was fantastic.
Interesting intentional missed FT by Lopez to seal the win.
I didn't understand the miss...math tells us to do that?
Quote from: avid1010 on October 21, 2022, 06:46:57 AM
I didn't understand the miss...math tells us to do that?
Coach consulted Kenpom analytics.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 21, 2022, 06:46:57 AM
I didn't understand the miss...math tells us to do that?
I wasn't sure about that either. With less than a second? Sure. But nearly two seconds could have gotten a makable shot had they secured the rebound.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 21, 2022, 06:46:57 AM
I didn't understand the miss...math tells us to do that?
That was the wrong decision as was Budenholzer challenging the play where Tucker was pushed going out of bounds.
Put in the NBA thread too, but per Shams the Bucks are working on a trade for Jae Crowder. Would be a great 3-and-D fit in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 21, 2022, 07:30:32 AM
I wasn't sure about that either. With less than a second? Sure. But nearly two seconds could have gotten a makable shot had they secured the rebound.
I think both teams were out of timeouts
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2022, 10:03:36 AM
Put in the NBA thread too, but per Shams the Bucks are working on a trade for Jae Crowder. Would be a great 3-and-D fit in Milwaukee.
Grayson Allen for Crowder would be a huge upgrade for the Bucks. Better D, Better size, better shooting, playoff experience, and smart enough to get away from the dumpster fire that is Phoenix.
Jamal Cain may get some run in the Heat v Raptors game tonight. Both of the guys ahead of him at the 4 were suspended for a game, and the Heat aren't very deep at the 4 or 5.
Well this aged well. Popped in a social media feed reminding me of 5 years ago: :o
Stan Van Gundy said Pistons forward Henry Ellenson has earned a right to play because no one works harder.
"He's just gonna keep getting better and better," Van Gundy said of the Marquette product. ;D
Also 5 years ago, Kyrie saying he could tell within 3 steps that the MECCA court wasn't safe/wasn't what the NBA normally plays on...even though the court was made that year and wasn't the court the Bucks were playing on in the 70s.
https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/923610168658743297?s=20&t=v5BBNnQdgm8XZ1IRFk4VVw
Kyrie says lots of things -- including that the earth is flat, that life-saving vaccines are poison, and that the CIA hired "Jamaicans" to kill Bob Marley.
Quote from: MU82 on October 26, 2022, 05:52:51 PM
Kyrie says lots of things -- including that the earth is flat, that life-saving vaccines are poison, and that the CIA hired "Jamaicans" to kill Bob Marley.
I mean he's not completely insane for the last one
Kyrie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NDjt4FzFWY
Jamal Cain has been sent to the Skyforce, the Heat's G-League team.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 31, 2022, 04:51:23 PM
Jamal Cain has been sent to the Skyforce, the Heat's G-League team.
He needs to play, so this is good for Jamal.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 31, 2022, 04:51:23 PM
Jamal Cain has been sent to the Skyforce, the Heat's G-League team.
Had a nice opportunity to practice with The Heat . G League season will start soon and he should get plenty of reps.
"We're gonna win the f%ckin' championship."
-- Jimmy Butler, when asked about the Heat's cold start.
What is it about Marquette players, both current and past, that makes 'em such effen potty mouths?
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
"We're gonna win the f%ckin' championship."
-- Jimmy Butler, when asked about the Heat's cold start.
What is it about Marquette players, both current and past, that makes 'em such effen potty mouths?
All of the crime on and near campus
More Jimmy in The Athletic article:
"Y'all will look back at this, and be like, oh man, they started 2-5 and they ended the season f%cking 77-5."
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2022, 10:54:59 AM
More Jimmy in The Athletic article:
"Y'all will look back at this, and be like, oh man, they started 2-5 and they ended the season f%cking 77-5."
They're closer to a play in team than a real contender.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 01, 2022, 01:38:56 PM
They're closer to a play in team than a real contender.
I think they have a decent 3 with Jimmy, Tyler, and Bam. Why they gave Robinson all that $$, I have no idea. Lowry is a waste of $$ as well.
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2022, 02:48:10 PM
I think they have a decent 3 with Jimmy, Tyler, and Bam. Why they gave Robinson all that $$, I have no idea. Lowry is a waste of $$ as well.
Lowry at least had a good all-around skill set, and a history of being both a leader and a gamer. I couldn't believe they threw all that money at Robinson, and said so at the time. The guy has a good few months in a bubble at one (and only one) skill, and the great Pat Riley commits a king's ransom to him over the long-term.
JFB closed out the champs last night. I will never not be amazed by the leap he took in his career.
https://twitter.com/BradyHawk305/status/1587835850909442049?t=71Ftti3GImPB_AHS-WR_Vw&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 02, 2022, 12:27:27 PM
JFB closed out the champs last night. I will never not be amazed by the leap he took in his career.
https://twitter.com/BradyHawk305/status/1587835850909442049?t=71Ftti3GImPB_AHS-WR_Vw&s=19
Jimmy is undefeated since he promised to win the championship.
Herro nailed da game winner. Hellofa playa, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Herro nailed da game winner. Hellofa playa, hey?
On one side of the ball, at least.
Too bad the Hausers didn't want to play with him, hey?
So glad he didnt play at Wisco.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Herro nailed da game winner. Hellofa playa, hey?
He is a good player. Was he really coming to Marquette if Wojo wanted him? Would Kentucky have won out in the end anyway even if we offered? Do you have inside info that he was a done deal to MU if offered a scholarship? Did the Hausers really nix the deal? Is all this revisionist history?
In the end, does it make a difference now? The Shaka era has begun.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 03, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
On one side of the ball, at least.
Too bad the Hausers didn't want to play with him, hey?
Hausers keeping Herro away really speaks to the character of them, aina?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
Hausers keeping Herro away really speaks to the character of them, aina?
I kinda doubt that was a true story, but who knows? I do think that Herro's dad was/is bad news, so dealing with him may have scared away Wojo and Co. from even offering.
In the end Herro made the absolute right decision going to Kentucky, and it has paid off for him.
Quote from: Skip Intro on November 03, 2022, 12:53:42 PM
I kinda doubt that was a true story, but who knows? I do think that Herro's dad was/is bad news, so dealing with him may have scared away Wojo and Co. from even offering.
In the end Herro made the absolute right decision going to Kentucky, and it has paid off for him.
He didn't have the grades
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
Hausers keeping Herro away really speaks to the character of them, aina?
Just says they wanted to win. They're winners. See all their NCAA Tournament wins after leaving Marquette.
Their basketball IQs were so far beyond what anyone at Marquette had. They just wanted guys like Ed Morrow and Theo John to have as many opportunities to shoot the ball as the all time leading scorer in Big East history. They get it.
The general thinking at the time was the Hauser's said they wouldn't play with Herro. However, I don't think Herro was coming here if we recruited him or not. I think the general thought was he was going to a blue blood to be one and done.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 03, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
On one side of the ball, at least.
Too bad the Hausers didn't want to play with him, hey?
Soft serve screwed us in so many ways
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 03, 2022, 01:11:32 PM
The general thinking at the time was the Hauser's said they wouldn't play with Herro. However, I don't think Herro was coming here if we recruited him or not. I think the general thought was he was going to a blue blood to be one and done.
There's a lot of revisionist history about the Herro recruiting with regards to Marquette by the mopes. Wojo and staff were recruiting him hard early but there wasn't a lot of reciprocation.
I'm friends with someone whose son was in the local travel circuit at the same time as Herro. It was a big shock that he committed to UW because no one thought he was going local. It was also widely thought that commitment was very soft.
In the end, it worked out for Herro and gave UW-Madison another villain
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 03, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
On one side of the ball, at least.
Too bad the Hausers didn't want to play with him, hey?
Actually, too bad Limp Dick didn't have the chops to coach a team, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2022, 06:42:59 PM
Actually, too bad Limp Dick didn't have the chops to coach a team, hey?
No, too bad the Hausers didn't want to play him. Selfish, aina?
We have a topic about the Hausers. Herro isn't a former Marquette player.
Can we keep this on topic please?
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 03, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
We have a topic about the Hausers. Herro isn't a former Marquette player.
Can we keep this on topic please?
And while we are at it, lets stop saying hausers in this thread. Only one of them will ever sniff the NBA
And Sam is a Virginia NBA player, hey?
Quote from: jfp61 on November 03, 2022, 07:41:20 PM
And while we are at it, lets stop saying hausers in this thread. Only one of them will ever sniff the NBA
Joey already got to sniff the NBA when Ja dunked on him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2022, 03:09:39 PM
There's a lot of revisionist history about the Herro recruiting with regards to Marquette by the mopes. Wojo and staff were recruiting him hard early but there wasn't a lot of reciprocation.
I'm friends with someone whose son was in the local travel circuit at the same time as Herro. It was a big shock that he committed to UW because no one thought he was going local. It was also widely thought that commitment was very soft.
In the end, it worked out for Herro and gave UW-Madison another villain
Scoop Insider
Jamal Cain called up to join the Heat for tonight's game against the Pacers.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 04, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
Jamal Cain called up to join the Heat for tonight's game against the Pacers.
Miami Heat have zero bench this year. This is great for him. I am glad he has a chance.
According to Twitter, Sam Hauser leads all NBA players with a +121 in +/-
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 10:25:06 AM
According to Twitter, Sam Hauser leads all NBA players with a +121 in +/-
Take it to the Hauser thread. This is for graduates and people who leave early. Sam is neither.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 17, 2022, 10:54:36 AM
Take it to the Hauser thread. This is for graduates and people who leave early. Sam is neither.
Do you know what this is? This is the World's smallest violin 👌
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 11:46:09 AM
Do you know what this is? This is the World's smallest violin 👌
Wrong context for that saying.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 01:15:46 PM
I never understand anonymous people stubbornly doubling down on odd mistakes when being called out. It's like redditors who post in the wrong thread and flip out when being told "umm you're lost"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 17, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
I never understand anonymous people stubbornly doubling down on odd mistakes when being called out. It's like redditors who post in the wrong thread and flip out when being told "umm you're lost"
Playing a sad song for those still butthurt about the Hauser's leaving a terrible situation.
Yet these same people still butthurt are the ones that ran Wojo out for the same reasons the Hauser's left. That is what is odd.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
Playing a sad song for those still butthurt about the Hauser's leaving a terrible situation.
Yet these same people still butthurt are the ones that ran Wojo out for the same reasons the Hauser's left. That is what is odd.
"Butthurt"
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2022, 01:28:36 PM
"Butthurt"
Definitely seems to be a softspot for plenty as you can see from the immediate backlash about a harmless Hauser stat.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
Playing a sad song for those still butthurt about the Hauser's leaving a terrible situation.
Yet these same people still butthurt are the ones that ran Wojo out for the same reasons the Hauser's left. That is what is odd.
Can you go through my post history for a year maybe even 2 and see if I've indicated any "butthurt" (what is this 2009?) feelings about them?
I invite you to keep this thread on the topic I initially meant it for: MU graduates (ie Cain) and people who left early (ie Lewis) playing and coaching in the NBA, G-League, or Summer league. Me keeping the thread on topic doesn't have anything to do with my feelings on the Hausers.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 17, 2022, 01:35:25 PM
Can you go through my post history for a year maybe even 2 and see if I've indicated any "butthurt" (what is this 2009?) feelings about them?
I invite you to keep this thread on the topic I initially meant it for: MU graduates (ie Cain) and people who left early (ie Lewis) playing and coaching in the NBA, G-League, or Summer league. Me keeping the thread on topic doesn't have anything to do with my feelings on the Hausers.
Sorry. I missed that clarification in the title and original post.
Heat only have 7 players that aren't on the injury report tonight, including Cain. Hopefully he gets some solid minutes against the Wizards.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 17, 2022, 10:54:36 AM
Take it to the Hauser thread. This is for graduates and people who leave early. Sam is neither.
To be pedantic, Hauser did leave early.......
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 18, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
Heat only have 7 players that aren't on the injury report tonight, including Cain. Hopefully he gets some solid minutes against the Wizards.
9 minutes 4 pts 5 bounds so far 2nd qt
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 18, 2022, 05:32:38 PM
To be pedantic, Hauser did leave early.......
Point taken, let me clarify it as people who ended their eligibility at MU or who have an MU degree.
Cain 4-6 and 8pts today. Spo should start him based on what his other players are doing.
Kyrie, KD, Simmons and the rest of a full-strength Nets team just lost to a .500 Sixers squad playing without Embiid, Harden and Maxey.
The Heat got fined for not reporting injuries properly, so today they put their whole roster of players on the injury report.
Lol
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1605659160091103235?t=j8T-oR8Ul9sVEctpOM05xg&s=19
This is an awesome snippet from Juan. Dude's attitude and work ethic is beyond admirable.
https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1605647857557458945
Whole interview is worth a watch.
Too lazy to search for a Marquette players in the pros other than NBA.
Looks like Sevilla bball team just signed Big Fish.
https://twitter.com/RealBetisBasket/status/1610972281672536066?s=20
https://twitter.com/RealBetisBasket/status/1610988360104820736?s=20
So, mark(us) down the date March 12 when Real Betis takes on Baskonia and Fish takes on Markus!
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 05, 2023, 08:36:18 AM
Too lazy to search for a Marquette players in the pros other than NBA.
Looks like Sevilla bball team just signed Big Fish.
https://twitter.com/RealBetisBasket/status/1610972281672536066?s=20
https://twitter.com/RealBetisBasket/status/1610988360104820736?s=20
So, mark(us) down the date March 12 when Real Betis takes on Baskonia and Fish takes on Markus!
Credit to Luke, he underwhelmed intially playing for a Liga ACB/EuroCup team in Gran Canaria, but he played well on a slightly lower level German team and in the top tier in France. All the makings of carving out a long career in Europe.
Also, in a career that can also land players all over the globe, especially early on, a lot worse things than making good 6 figures playing basketball in the Canary Islands, Bavaria, Paris, the Lorraine Valley, and now Seville. Living like a Frommers guide to Western Europe.
Almost halftime, but Adebayo and Herro are hurt and Dedmon just got ejected, so the Heat are down to 7 available players.
Jamal Cain getting a ton of playing time alongside Jimmy.
On TNT.
Heat are 32/32 at the line through 3. Jimmy has 20 of them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 10, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
Heat are 32/32 at the line through 3. Jimmy has 20 of them.
20 for 20 through 3 quarters is hilarious
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 10, 2023, 07:31:50 PM
Almost halftime, but Adebayo and Herro are hurt and Dedmon just got ejected, so the Heat are down to 7 available players.
Jamal Cain getting a ton of playing time alongside Jimmy.
On TNT.
Was just going to say, it's pretty cool seeing them both on the floor together.
Wow. Jimmy gets the game winning And 1 and the free throw broke the NBA record.
40/40
Miami Heat set an NBA record going 40/40 from the FT line.
Jimmy was 23-23, including an And-1 with 12.9 seconds left which proved to be the deciding point.
Jamal Cain was 5-5 from the line.
Jamal is going to stick in the league isn't he. Shame Wojo couldn't unlock more of his potential at MU.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 10, 2023, 09:06:59 PM
Jamal is going to stick in the league isn't he. Shame Wojo couldn't unlock more of his potential at MU.
+1 his first year and he never looks lost out there. Very good defender
Undrafted Jamal has 52 points in his NBA career so far, compared to lottery pick Johnny Davis's 11...
Anyone know if there's a Jamal NBA graphic in the Al like there is for all the other MU NBA players? I'm assuming and hoping so
Quote from: swoopem on January 11, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
Anyone know if there's a Jamal NBA graphic in the Al like there is for all the other MU NBA players? I'm assuming and hoping so
Doubtful since he transferred.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 11, 2023, 09:26:13 AM
Doubtful since he transferred.
I know you are kidding but transfer or not MU should be advertising all NBA players. Hell, if DJ Carton makes it he should be recognized. The more the merrier as far as recruiting goes.
Congratulations to Jamal.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 11, 2023, 09:29:30 AM
I know you are kidding but transfer or not MU should be advertising all NBA players. Hell, if DJ Carton makes it he should be recognized. The more the merrier as far as recruiting goes.
I'm actually not kidding. I doubt he is recognized because he transferred elsewhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 11, 2023, 09:33:24 AM
I'm actually not kidding. I doubt he is recognized because he transferred elsewhere.
MU graduate. Of course he'll be recognized.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2023, 09:36:10 AM
MU graduate. Of course he'll be recognized.
You know, I forgot that he was here four years and graduated before transferring. (I was using Greg Elliot as a gauge, but forgot about his redshirt year.)
So you're probably right.
Jamal on playing the 5 with the Heat last night
https://www.youtube.com/v/VuNnuV_UuTI
On his corner 3: "The whole bench behind me was yelling 'He can't shoot!'" lol
Good for Jamal. Miami won on Butler's free throw which gave them a perfect 40-40 from the line. Pretty nuts.
23 free throw attempts for Jimmy. Lol. You'd think he was MJ's star power, skills, and ability with Bill Russell's rings the way he gets refereed.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 11, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
Undrafted Jamal has 52 points in his NBA career so far, compared to lottery pick Johnny Davis's 11...
You mean lottery picks aren't supposed to spend the majority of their first half of NBA ball in the G League? And he hasn't even tore it up when he's been there, hmmm...
Quote from: withoutbias on January 11, 2023, 11:14:33 AM
23 free throw attempts for Jimmy. Lol. You'd think he was MJ's star power, skills, and ability with Bill Russell's rings the way he gets refereed.
RENT...FREE
Ted Turner levels of land ownership in that brain
Quote from: JWags85 on January 11, 2023, 01:17:16 PM
RENT...FREE
Ted Turner levels of land ownership in that brain
Its psychotic at this point.
Jimmy average 8.2 attempts per game. 10th in the NBA. Not getting some abnormal whistle. Getting the same one that all star players that attack the rim get. Only .3 more than rookie Banchero.
Damn barely more than a rookie! Disrespect!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 11, 2023, 10:19:55 AM
Jamal on playing the 5 with the Heat last night
https://www.youtube.com/v/VuNnuV_UuTI
On his corner 3: "The whole bench behind me was yelling 'He can't shoot!'" lol
"You think I'm funny?!?"
Cain with another very nice game tonight. He looks long even in the NBA. 2 steals for the young man
Young Heat fan finding out in the arena that Jimmy is sitting out with back tightness.
💔
https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/status/1618043893559484416?t=mGPRTthsBsVWg33vNVlMnQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 24, 2023, 07:05:58 PM
Young Heat fan finding out in the arena that Jimmy is sitting out with back tightness.
💔
https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/status/1618043893559484416?t=mGPRTthsBsVWg33vNVlMnQ&s=19
An update https://twitter.com/JCrossover/status/1618309140564279296?t=WC6jlcRuq2g86i_QL-RJWQ&s=19
Come back home, Jae!
https://mobile.twitter.com/CJC9BOSS/status/1620114287330197505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1620114287330197505%7Ctwgr%5Eee89fcdf11f31ea1568ea08f4a8a2046bbe7239f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2259892start%3D620
Juan is going to the Utah Jazz.
Anyone know how they got that name? It could just be me but Utah is one of the last places I think of when somebody mentions jazz.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 09, 2023, 05:53:26 AM
Juan is going to the Utah Jazz.
Anyone know how they got that name? It could just be me but Utah is one of the last places I think of when somebody mentions jazz.
Relocated from New Orleans
Ah, Frenn, I'd forgotten that - thanks.
L.A. isn't famous for its lakes, either.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 09, 2023, 05:58:38 AM
Relocated from New Orleans
yeah that's weird...utah has as much to do with jazz as the lakers have do with, well, lakes. the names should have stayed with the city. i do like timberwolves for minny though. jazz should stay with new orleans
82 beat me to it by .09 sec
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 09, 2023, 08:29:09 AM
yeah that's weird...utah has as much to do with jazz as the lakers have do with, well, lakes. the names should have stayed with the city. i do like timberwolves for minny though. jazz should stay with new orleans
82 beat me to it by .09 sec
lots of dinosaurs in toronto as well
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 09, 2023, 08:35:21 AM
lots of dinosaurs in toronto as well
Raptors was one of those dopey fan-choice nicknames. I think Jurassic Park was popular and they let a bunch of 10-year-olds pick the team name.
If they had gone for a slightly younger demographic, maybe they'd be the Toronto SquarePantses.
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2023, 08:37:59 AM
Raptors was one of those dopey fan-choice nicknames. I think Jurassic Park was popular and they let a bunch of 10-year-olds pick the team name.
If they had gone for a slightly younger demographic, maybe they'd be the Toronto SquarePantses.
Ain't no Angels in LA.
Not too many Grizzlies in Memphis either
Jae to Brooklyn in the KD trade
Maybe a buyout to get him to the bucks or the heat?
Jae was always coming back to Milwaukee. It was just a matter of from whom and for what
Love it for the Bucks and for Jae. Didn't have to give up a rotational piece to add a hard nosed perimeter defender.
Jimmy Butler game winner!
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1624251741368897536?t=hayyMnHdnLDWhKdlxt4zpQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2023, 04:37:05 AM
Jimmy Butler game winner!
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1624251741368897536?t=hayyMnHdnLDWhKdlxt4zpQ&s=19
Great play design - Spo is damn good. Great pass. And obviously great play by one of the NBA's best Marquette alums ever.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2023, 09:17:12 AM
Great play design - Spo is damn good. Great pass. And obviously great play by one of the NBA's best Marquette alums ever.
Spo as Shaka assistant? Wade picks up salary as donation to MU?
Sam Hauser going for revenge over Ja Morant today for that Murray State game, has 8 points in first 5 minutes starting for 2nd game in Celtics last 3 with Jaylen Brown out. Had 15, 14 and 12 points last 3 games prior.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 12, 2023, 01:27:01 PM
Sam Hauser going for revenge over Ja Morant today for that Murray State game, has 8 points in first 5 minutes starting for 2nd game in Celtics last 3 with Jaylen Brown out. Had 15, 14 and 12 points last 3 games prior.
Two quick fouls, too, earns him a seat on the bench. Good role player to get buckets and boards. Can't be a playoff starter
I'm sure Ja is heartbroken and would trade the MU game for this February regular season NBA game.
Sam proactively drafting the letter for when Brown comes back and gets his minutes and shots, and then some?
Would love to see the C's give Sam the Duncan Robinson contract.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 12, 2023, 01:27:01 PM
Sam Hauser going for revenge over Ja Morant today for that Murray State game, has 8 points in first 5 minutes starting for 2nd game in Celtics last 3 with Jaylen Brown out. Had 15, 14 and 12 points last 3 games prior.
Had 20 today.
Sam has always been a good player, with one elite skill and good overall basketball sense, and him getting some a nice NBA run doesn't surprise me.
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2023, 08:13:00 AM
Sam has always been a good player, with one elite skill and good overall basketball sense, and him getting some a nice NBA run doesn't surprise me.
Absolutely. It really is interesting to see what traits/skills can lead to guys making it at the NBA level who wouldn't necessarily have been expected to do so based upon college success. The MU guys alone present an interesting illustration of that with several performing far better in the pros than most would have imagined. The common thread seems to be hard nosed guys who know how to play and can fill a role. Sam's shooting, size and smarts fit the bill. Jae, Wesley, Juan, Jamal all do as well. Even Jimmy, who became much more than a role player, started that way at MU and in the pros. Hustle guy who would do dirty work and defend. Fun to see guys who aren't necessarily the best guys in college find a niche and have long NBA careers earning a ton of money.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 13, 2023, 08:48:44 AM
Absolutely. It really is interesting to see what traits/skills can lead to guys making it at the NBA level who wouldn't necessarily have been expected to do so based upon college success. The MU guys alone present an interesting illustration of that with several performing far better in the pros than most would have imagined. The common thread seems to be hard nosed guys who know how to play and can fill a role. Sam's shooting, size and smarts fit the bill. Jae, Wesley, Juan, Jamal all do as well. Even Jimmy, who became much more than a role player, started that way at MU and in the pros. Hustle guy who would do dirty work and defend. Fun to see guys who aren't necessarily the best guys in college find a niche and have long NBA careers earning a ton of money.
I wouldn't call Sam "hard-nosed" the same way I'd put that label on Jae, Wes and Butler. Sam is a defensive liability in the NBA, although his basketball sense helps cover a little of that up. Sam is much closer to Novak or a guy like Craig Hodges -- someone very good at one thing that NBA teams value very much. As long as he keeps hitting 3-pointers at a well-above-league-average clip, he will have a job.
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2023, 12:01:19 PM
I wouldn't call Sam "hard-nosed" the same way I'd put that label on Jae, Wes and Butler. Sam is a defensive liability in the NBA, although his basketball sense helps cover a little of that up. Sam is much closer to Novak or a guy like Craig Hodges -- someone very good at one thing that NBA teams value very much. As long as he keeps hitting 3-pointers at a well-above-league-average clip, he will have a job.
Agreed. Shooting is the elite skill as far as Sam goes, but I think it showed even at MU that he makes up for some of his physical limitations with a really good sense of being in the right place as a help defender and role player. I do think he will be in the league a while.
Oh great another Hauser thread. Sure they have a thread of their own plus how many detailed ones focusing on them but we can derail another!
Keep this for people who finished their careers at MU or at least graduated (Jamal)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 13, 2023, 02:18:00 PM
Oh great another Hauser thread. Sure they have a thread of their own plus how many detailed ones focusing on them but we can derail another!
Keep this for people who finished their careers at MU or at least graduated (Jamal)
Agreed. If there was a quitters thread, they can be discussed there, too
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 13, 2023, 02:18:00 PM
Oh great another Hauser thread. Sure they have a thread of their own plus how many detailed ones focusing on them but we can derail another!
Keep this for people who finished their careers at MU or at least graduated (Jamal)
I agree that it's best to keep the Hauser stuff in the Hauser thread, but nobody was "derailing" this one. StillWarriors and I were having a congenial discussion.
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
I agree that it's best to keep the Hauser stuff in the Hauser thread, but nobody was "derailing" this one. StillWarriors and I were having a congenial discussion.
Sam lists his school as Virginia for NBA stuff not Virginia/Marquette not Stephens Point, thus he doesn't represent Marquette in the NBA in any capacity nor post NBA in the professional world would he represent MU by having an MU degree. Hence bringing him up and continuing it is derailing a "Marquette in the NBA thread"
Which now I'm admittedly doing as well.
We have a Hauser topic on the Superbar.
Some great MU love in here
https://youtu.be/CCWj2tq_S_c
Shakea offered Jae the chance to come to Milwaukee and scrimmage 5-on-5 with the team while he was waiting for his contract issues to be resolved. Jae turned it down due to injury concerns.
Quote from: Jockey on February 14, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
Shakea offered Jae the chance to come to Milwaukee and scrimmage 5-on-5 with the team while he was waiting for his contract issues to be resolved. Jae turned it down due to injury concerns.
Is Shakea, Shaka's cousin?
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 14, 2023, 03:29:15 PM
Some great MU love in here
https://youtu.be/CCWj2tq_S_c
That is fantastic. Saw him at a MU game earlier this year. This is a win win win.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1629214411176001540
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 02:59:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1629214411176001540
Terrible message for the team having a Wojo recruit around the team
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 13, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
Sam lists his school as Virginia for NBA stuff not Virginia/Marquette not Stephens Point, thus he doesn't represent Marquette in the NBA in any capacity nor post NBA in the professional world would he represent MU by having an MU degree. Hence bringing him up and continuing it is derailing a "Marquette in the NBA thread"
I think thats also NBA protocol. NBA.com actually lists "last attended". Show me a player that shows a slashed alma mater in the NBA. Or further, a player that shows the school he spent longer at, rather than the one he played at last before entering the NBA.
There is no cutesy MNF intro where they say whatever they want.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 24, 2023, 03:47:03 PM
I think thats also NBA protocol. NBA.com actually lists "last attended". Show me a player that shows a slashed alma mater in the NBA. Or further, a player that shows the school he spent longer at, rather than the one he played at last before entering the NBA.
There is no cutesy MNF intro where they say whatever they want.
Went to Bulls games when Wade and Butler were on the Bulls. Butler was Marquette, wade's intro was Chicago.
You're right though Cain has a MU degree and yet it's listed as Oakland idk if he finished his masters but it's interesting. I don't think I'd want NUIG (now U of G) as my school over MU.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 03:26:01 PM
Terrible message for the team having a Wojo recruit around the team
No JFB visit is telling.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 24, 2023, 06:12:56 PM
No JFB visit is telling.
What is up with JFB? What is the controversy?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 24, 2023, 08:08:55 PM
What is up with JFB? What is the controversy?
Hes kidding.
Jae getting a few buckets in his first game.
No Jamal or Wes.
Could be a full MU party
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 08:17:57 PM
Hes kidding.
Jae getting a few buckets in his first game.
No Jamal or Wes.
Could be a full MU party
Wes is on street clothes right behind Jae, either injury or rest, or he GOWNE
Jamal is in the game now.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 24, 2023, 08:45:48 PM
Wes is on street clothes right behind Jae, either injury or rest, or he GOWNE
Calf injury per google
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
Calf injury per google
I call BS, he probably wants to be traded. Bad body language.
Maybe Jimmy was addressing the DePaul team at the invitation of Max Strus.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 24, 2023, 09:04:51 PM
Maybe Jimmy was addressing the DePaul team at the invitation of Max Strus.
Most likely, I've heard as a Buzz recruit he hates Shaka.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 24, 2023, 09:06:08 PM
Most likely, I've heard as a Buzz recruit he hates Shaka.
Jimmy's absence at any Marquette event the last few days is a clear signal he's upset about how Wojo handled John Dawson
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 24, 2023, 09:04:51 PM
Maybe Jimmy was addressing the DePaul team at the invitation of Max Strus.
Hopefully, tomorrow, Max will be wearing a Marquette jersey and doing other embarrassing things.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 25, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
Hopefully, tomorrow, Max will be wearing a Marquette jersey and doing other embarrassing things.
Tomorrow? How about if he makes him go to game tonight in MU gear.
What a shot by Jimmy.
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1630393833283366912?t=_Ak5ZOqV8LWNtLiJQSE1EQ&s=19
Anybody got any info on why Jimmy no longer likes Marquette? That's the rumor still flying around.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 27, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
What a shot by Jimmy.
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1630393833283366912?t=_Ak5ZOqV8LWNtLiJQSE1EQ&s=19
Anybody got any info on why Jimmy no longer likes Marquette? That's the rumor still flying around.
The look on PJ's face at the end of that clip is priceless.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 27, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
What a shot by Jimmy.
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1630393833283366912?t=_Ak5ZOqV8LWNtLiJQSE1EQ&s=19
Anybody got any info on why Jimmy no longer likes Marquette? That's the rumor still flying around.
Other way around.
Why doesn't MU like Jimmy? What happened? Beuller? Beuller?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 28, 2023, 10:30:33 AM
Why doesn't MU like Jimmy? What happened? Beuller? Beuller?
Everytime someone asks, no one has an answer. There's been a disconnect somewhere.
bias
What is MU's beef with Jimmy?
Nm
Quote from: Goose on February 28, 2023, 05:25:41 PM
bias
What is MU's beef with Jimmy?
Bias has claimed that Jimmy assaulted females and went "in front of a judge multiple times" for it, though zero record of that exists. So I'm sure that's what he's referring to with no other info.
Wags
That could explain things. Hard to believe it could be completely covered up, but I guess a possibility.
Quote from: Goose on February 28, 2023, 06:31:22 PM
Wags
That could explain things. Hard to believe it could be completely covered up, but I guess a possibility.
You havent seen bias talk sh it about JImmy any chance he gets for the last like decade??
It borders on mental illness.
Idk about any judge
Justin Lewis just signed back with the Bulls on a Two-Way contract.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 07, 2023, 09:27:58 AM
Justin Lewis just sign back with the Bulls on a Two-Way contract.
Too bad
Is Justin already recovered from the ACL? Or is this mainly for next season?
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on March 07, 2023, 07:55:21 PM
Is Justin already recovered from the ACL? Or is this mainly for next season?
Glad for Justin. Hopefully this is for next season. Maybe he can be ready for the Summer League.
https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-sign-justin-lewis-to-two-way-contract
I'm sure this was posted elsewhere and I just didn't see it. But jic:
https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-sign-justin-lewis-to-two-way-contract
Sorry, just found it on the MU NBA thread. I'd delete this if I knew how. My bad
Quote from: Ben Golds Five on March 07, 2023, 09:27:20 PM
Sorry, just found it on the MU NBA thread. I'd delete this if I knew how. My bad
Hit "modify", erase the messages on both posts and substitute "NM" on the posts (never mind).
Oso at 60
OMax at 62
on Sam Vecenie's NBA Top 100 Big Board this morning.
Ighodaro's ability to flip screens and get Kolek into the middle of the floor, in addition to his short-roll passing and playmaking (he averages 3.3 assists per game), is what makes Marquette's offense go. Marquette assists on about 60 percent of his field goals, which is top 20 in the country. Ighodaro learning to shoot from distance and continuing to improve his ability to defend in space would be enormous for his future.
Full Vecenie text on Oso:
There are a couple of other upperclassmen I really like who haven't gotten a ton of publicity. Marquette 6-foot-9 big Oso Ighodaro is arguably the most versatile screener and dribble-handoff big in all of college basketball. He's the key to that Marquette offense currently in the top five nationally. I love Tyler Kolek's passing and playmaking ability, but we saw last season how inefficient his game can look without someone like Ighodaro consistently creating that separation for him with his quick hands and quick feet in those screen/handoff exchanges. Ighodaro's ability to flip screens and get Kolek into the middle of the floor, in addition to his short-roll passing and playmaking (he averages 3.3 assists per game), is what makes Marquette's offense go. Marquette assists on about 60 percent of his field goals, which is top 20 in the country. Ighodaro learning to shoot from distance and continuing to improve his ability to defend in space would be enormous for his future. But I love the baseline skills he brings every single night, being involved in almost everything that Marquette runs with Kolek.
What a quote by Bill Simmons.
"There's Jimmy and Spo and Bam and Riley lurking every April like Michael F*cking Myers. You know how the movie ends, and you'll probably survive, but you'll also probably be standing in your burning house covered in blood. Any Jimmy Butler team scares the sh!t out of me."
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2023, 11:07:08 AM
What a quote by Bill Simmons.
"There's Jimmy and Spo and Bam and Riley lurking every April like Michael F*cking Myers. You know how the movie ends, and you'll probably survive, but you'll also probably be standing in your burning house covered in blood. Any Jimmy Butler team scares the sh!t out of me."
It's hilarious how Celtic fans are terrified of Miami
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 24, 2023, 12:44:38 PM
It's hilarious how Celtic fans are terrified of Miami
Bill Simmons is terrified of Pat Riley
Nice to see Jamal on the Heat bench tonight for the play in game against the Bulls.
Quote from: pbiflyer on April 14, 2023, 07:05:59 PM
Nice to see Jamal on the Heat bench tonight for the play in game against the Bulls.
Also nice to see a guy named James F. Butler take over down the stretch.
Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2023, 10:25:40 PM
Also nice to see a guy named James F. Butler take over down the stretch.
And hearing "Jimmy F'n Butler" never gets old either. Got to love it!
Can't wait to see Jimmy Butler start his summer vacation in ten days or so
Jimmy Butler with 35, 11, 5, and 3 in a dismantling of the Bucks.
Marquette players and coaches had a box for the action.
Anybody got answers yet as to why Jimmy dislikes Marquette yet?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 16, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
Jimmy Butler with 35, 11, 5, and 3 in a dismantling of the Bucks.
Marquette players and coaches had a box for the action.
Anybody got answers yet as to why Jimmy dislikes Marquette yet?
This is the third time that Jimmy Butler has had 35 points, 10 assists and five rebounds in a playoff game.
Only LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West and Russell Westbrook have done it more.
(Statmuse - https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1647756765902061570)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 16, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
Jimmy Butler with 35, 11, 5, and 3 in a dismantling of the Bucks.
Marquette players and coaches had a box for the action.
Anybody got answers yet as to why Jimmy dislikes Marquette yet?
Thought Buzz was treated poorly by MU admin.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2023, 08:49:05 AM
Can't wait to see Jimmy Butler start his summer vacation in ten days or so
Looks like it might be Crowder and Matthews starting their vacations in 10 days or so.
Quote from: wisblue on April 17, 2023, 06:00:03 AM
Looks like it might be Crowder and Matthews starting their vacations in 10 days or so.
If Giannis is out, might be
My money's on Jamal and Jimmy starting their vacations early. No way does Miami continue to hit 60% of their threes while Milwaukee hits 22% of theirs.
with miami's tyler herro out-changes the scenario a little bit. the bucks are too deep for the heat and if they can stay healthy from here on out, they will be tough to beat even without the freak.
if i'm recruiting for MU, take the prospective baller to a couple of bucks-heat games, sit back and let the game do the talking. then intro them to "the MU boys"
jimmy and his bulletin board material-that's a bozo no-no? ain't no fat lady singing if ya can't pull her away from the golden corral food line
nice article on Jamal Cain in today's MJS
Former Marquette basketball player Jamal Cain soaking up experience with Miami Heat (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/04/18/marquette-oakland-player-jamal-cain-on-two-way-deal-with-miami-heat/70122997007/)
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on April 18, 2023, 07:29:23 AM
nice article on Jamal Cain in today's MJS
Former Marquette basketball player Jamal Cain soaking up experience with Miami Heat (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/04/18/marquette-oakland-player-jamal-cain-on-two-way-deal-with-miami-heat/70122997007/)
A tremendous young man, with a great attitude. Earning it every day with his work ethic and positive outlook.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 18, 2023, 11:41:17 AM
A tremendous young man, with a great attitude. Earning it every day with his work ethic and positive outlook.
Never liked him
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 18, 2023, 11:41:17 AM
A tremendous young man, with a great attitude. Earning it every day with his work ethic and positive outlook.
Flew down to Miami to watch the Heat play Orlando on the last day of the season. No Jimmy was a bummer, but DWade in the building for UDs retirement and watching Jamal go off was awesome. Some people in the crowd asked my son and I if we knew him as we were standing and hollering every time he made a shot. Love Jamal
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on April 18, 2023, 01:13:48 PM
Flew down to Miami to watch the Heat play Orlando on the last day of the season. No Jimmy was a bummer, but DWade in the building for UDs retirement and watching Jamal go off was awesome. Some people in the crowd asked my son and I if we knew him as we were standing and hollering every time he made a shot. Love Jamal
nm
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 18, 2023, 05:57:22 AM
with miami's tyler herro out-changes the scenario a little bit. the bucks are too deep for the heat and if they can stay healthy from here on out, they will be tough to beat even without the freak.
if i'm recruiting for MU, take the prospective baller to a couple of bucks-heat games, sit back and let the game do the talking. then intro them to "the MU boys"
jimmy and his bulletin board material-that's a bozo no-no? ain't no fat lady singing if ya can't pull her away from the golden corral food line
Herro or no Herro no matta
Remember when the Bucks put Crowder in the game last night and he looked like he was 57 years old? He's basically unplayable.
Quote from: Afroman on April 23, 2023, 11:47:15 AM
Remember when the Bucks put Crowder in the game last night and he looked like he was 57 years old? He's basically unplayable.
Crowder and Dragic had a good 2 man game going once the Heat scrubs were in.
Jimmy's not shabby.
JFB
JFB 56 wow.
Unbelievable performance from Buckets.
I want the bucks to win, but sort of funny to see how upset badger fans are at this tweet:
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1650683783870283776?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
They would act the same way if a player from their school had that type of performance.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 24, 2023, 09:57:19 PM
I want the bucks to win, but sort of funny to see how upset badger fans are at this tweet:
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1650683783870283776?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
They would act the same way if a player from their school had that type of performance.
...what's RED got, one guy in the entire NBA? They should be happy for that!
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 24, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
JFB 56 wow.
Just watched the highlights...all the "Wow. Jimmy Butler!" and "Jimmy Butler does it again" and blah blah blah. My mind kept hearing "...Jimmy F***in' Butler..."!!!
So a naive question: Has that nickname carried into his professional career? Do boards of teams that he's been on refer to JFB?
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 24, 2023, 09:57:19 PM
I want the bucks to win, but sort of funny to see how upset badger fans are at this tweet:
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1650683783870283776?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
They would act the same way if a player from their school had that type of performance.
They did. John Davis had like 17 points against the Bucks near the end of the regular season and they all lost their minds.
Quote from: mug644 on April 24, 2023, 11:01:03 PM
Just watched the highlights...all the "Wow. Jimmy Butler!" and "Jimmy Butler does it again" and blah blah blah. My mind kept hearing "...Jimmy F***in' Butler..."!!!
So a naive question: Has that nickname carried into his professional career? Do boards of teams that he's been on refer to JFB?
I just read your post 90 seconds after seeing an Athletic email with a section header in bold "Jimmy f-ing Butler". So, apparently yes.
I saw one said Jimmy MF Butler. Close enough.
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 25, 2023, 06:58:14 AM
I just read your post 90 seconds after seeing an Athletic email with a section header in bold "Jimmy f-ing Butler". So, apparently yes.
I feel like the JFB nickname is similar to calculus in that it was simultaneously invited by multiple people and used ever since. I remember being on spring break Jimmy's sophomore season and screaming "Jimmy F@cling Butler" at the top of my lungs after each unexpected bucket he had against Nova in his 19 point off-the-bench explosion against Nova in the BET.
I also heard a new one that I liked last night: Himmy Butler.
His nicknames now are
JGB or Jimmy Gets Buckets or Jimmy G Butler or Jimmy Buckets. Harkens back to the Bulls anouncer
James Butler or Literally Jimmy
Himmy Butler, more recent with players being called Him the past few years
Jimbo is thrown around
I rarely see JFB or Jimmy MF Butler outside of Scoop, but it might be catching on
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1650683518308225028
What difference does it make? Jimmy doesn't come back to Marquette for events, proving beyond all doubt that he is a horrible, horrible person, truly one of the worst human beings on the planet.
He's also a fake tough guy who is overrated. He didn't actually score 56 points in a playoff game against the #1 seed last night, and anybody who claims he did is biased.
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2023, 08:23:02 AM
What difference does it make? Jimmy doesn't come back to Marquette for events, proving beyond all doubt that he is a horrible, horrible person, truly one of the worst human beings on the planet.
He's also a fake tough guy who is overrated. He didn't actually score 56 points in a playoff game against the #1 seed last night, and anybody who claims he did is biased.
Most of the first part of your post is accurate.
But imagine if someone took your journalistic words and twisted them as much as you are. My god the novel we would all get here...
Somebody already has.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
Most of the first part of your post is accurate.
OK WTF, I'll play along. What evidence beyond something you've heard can you provide the rest of us to prove that Jimmy Butler is a horrible, horrible person?
I know firsthand that athletes often are not what they seem, so maybe Jimmy really is one of the worst human beings on the planet. Did he assault a child? Rape a woman? Shoot somebody? Spit in an innocent person's face? Instigate a bar brawl? Break up with a girlfriend via text? Serve moldy cheese at a party? What?
I'm seriously asking you to please help the rest of us understand your point of view.
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2023, 09:22:46 AM
OK WTF, I'll play along. What evidence beyond something you've heard can you provide the rest of us to prove that Jimmy Butler is a horrible, horrible person?
I know firsthand that athletes often are not what they seem, so maybe Jimmy really is one of the worst human beings on the planet. Did he assault a child? Rape a woman? Shoot somebody? Spit in an innocent person's face? Instigate a bar brawl? Break up with a girlfriend via text? Serve moldy cheese at a party? What?
I'm seriously asking you to please help the rest of us understand your point of view.
I've posted it here before. You can look through my history to find it if you want to.
I'm glad he's nice to fans. So was OJ Simpson. So were tons of awful people.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
I've posted it here before. You can look through my history to find it if you want to.
I'm glad he's nice to fans. So was OJ Simpson. So were tons of awful people.
This doesn't help anything.
People on Twitter claim to know, but when asked they don't say a thing.
Same with people on here.
Someone said he didn't like how the school treated Buzz or something stupid like that, but yet he was at Marquette just a few years ago having a great time being indicted into the HoF well after the Buzz era.
Seems like no one knows why they disconnected or why anyone should feel a certain way about Jimmy. There are never answers.
https://youtu.be/EuwLN1x3_ds
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 10:19:02 AM
This doesn't help anything.
People on Twitter claim to know, but when asked they don't say a thing.
Same with people on here.
Someone said he didn't like how the school treated Buzz or something stupid like that, but yet he was at Marquette just a few years ago having a great time being indicted into the HoF well after the Buzz era.
Seems like no one knows why they disconnected or why anyone should feel a certain way about Jimmy. There are never answers.
I know nothing about the tension between JFB and MU, and don't pretend to. But looking at that link you provided, I wonder if maybe it has something to do with the fact that -- contrary to what you said in the highlighted portion -- Jimmy
hasn't been inducted into MU's HoF. Perhaps he considers it a slight. Total speculation on my part.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 25, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
I know nothing about the tension between JFB and MU, and don't pretend to. But looking at that link you provided, I wonder if maybe it has something to do with the fact that -- contrary to what you said in the highlighted portion -- Jimmy hasn't been inducted into MU's HoF. Perhaps he considers it a slight. Total speculation on my part.
Good catch! I've always just assumed he had been.
Maybe there is something to that, though I'm sure he'll get inducted at some point and I'm sure he knows that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2023, 09:22:46 AM
OK WTF, I'll play along. What evidence beyond something you've heard can you provide the rest of us to prove that Jimmy Butler is a horrible, horrible person?
I know firsthand that athletes often are not what they seem, so maybe Jimmy really is one of the worst human beings on the planet. Did he assault a child? Rape a woman? Shoot somebody? Spit in an innocent person's face? Instigate a bar brawl? Break up with a girlfriend via text? Serve moldy cheese at a party? What?
I'm seriously asking you to please help the rest of us understand your point of view.
I think there are two different questions here:
1) Why is Jimmy a horrible person
2) Why has the MU-Jimmy relationship gone sour
Every time I've seen #1 come up here, it gets associated with https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-marquette-sex-cases-20111028-story.html
If #1 is the cause of #2, then why was Jimmy welcomed back well after those events (as posted elsewhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwLN1x3_ds) and what has changed?
If it's the way Buzz was treated, that doesn't clear it up either as the youtube video is from Jan 2019, several years later.
I've never seen a good explanation for #2 which leads me to believe no one here really knows and I recall someone posting that s/he heard the university doesn't know either.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
I've posted it here before. You can look through my history to find it if you want to.
I'm glad he's nice to fans. So was OJ Simpson. So were tons of awful people.
LOL. Do the board a favor and re-post/quote your post. But, as with all things "withoutbias" you won't because you're just a troll.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 25, 2023, 11:31:30 AM
LOL. Do the board a favor and re-post/quote your post. But, as with all things "withoutbias" you won't because you're just a troll.
Gotta agree with Ners here. You have well over 1,000 total posts. Without knowing key words, context, or the timetable, it would require looking at all of those posts. No one has the time for that. If you have receipts, provide them.
Go to youtube. Type in Jimmy Butler at Marquette. And watch "I went back to Marquette". Enjoyable to see this humble and decent man.
Quote from: oilcan on April 25, 2023, 12:17:37 PM
Go to youtube. Type in Jimmy Butler at Marquette. And watch "I went back to Marquette". Enjoyable to see this humble and decent man.
Or...I don't know...click on the link that's been posted twice in the last eight or so posts in this thread. But your way works too.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 10:19:02 AM
This doesn't help anything.
People on Twitter claim to know, but when asked they don't say a thing.
Same with people on here.
Someone said he didn't like how the school treated Buzz or something stupid like that, but yet he was at Marquette just a few years ago having a great time being indicted into the HoF well after the Buzz era.
Seems like no one knows why they disconnected or why anyone should feel a certain way about Jimmy. There are never answers.
https://youtu.be/EuwLN1x3_ds
Ironic that Jamal had a brief cameo role in the film and now He and Jimmy are teammates on The Heat
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
I've posted it here before. You can look through my history to find it if you want to.
I'm glad he's nice to fans. So was OJ Simpson. So were tons of awful people.
Crickets.
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2023, 06:42:32 PM
Crickets.
Yup. Always is.
Everybody who claims they know why Jimmy disconnected from MU is always silent when asked.
Same with anyone who says Jimmy is a 'bad guy'.
Jimmy, Jamal and Jae will meet tomorrow morning for breakfast or later for lunch. Get there early and don't give up your seat. Shuuush!
OH no! Did I forget to say where? I thought everyone knew. Miss Katie's. See you there.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 09:03:54 PM
Yup. Always is.
Everybody who claims they know why Jimmy disconnected from MU is always silent when asked.
Same with anyone who says Jimmy is a 'bad guy'.
Maybe he went to the registrars to get his diploma and they tried to charge him and it rubbed him the wrong way
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 09:03:54 PM
Yup. Always is.
Everybody who claims they know why Jimmy disconnected from MU is always silent when asked.
Same with anyone who says Jimmy is a 'bad guy'.
Frankly, I don't care why Jimmy disconnected from Marquette. It doesn't affect Shaka's team or anything else that matters IMHO.
But when you accuse someone of being "an awful awful person," and you never offer evidence, that's just wrong.
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2023, 10:02:45 PM
Frankly, I don't care why Jimmy disconnected from Marquette. It doesn't affect Shaka's team or anything else that matters IMHO.
But when you accuse someone of being "an awful awful person," and you never offer evidence, that's just wrong.
I kinda care. It sucks that Jimmy doesn't like Marquette anymore. He'd be a great guy to have connect with the current team.
He's a winner.
He was shooting around at MSOE tonight instead of his former school. That's at the very least unfortunate.
Oh well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 10:22:44 PM
I kinda care. It sucks that Jimmy doesn't like Marquette anymore. He'd be a great guy to have connect with the current team.
He's a winner.
He was shooting around at MSOE tonight instead of his former school. That's at the very least unfortunate.
Oh well.
Pretty telling, hey? You'd think MU would be on their hands and knees to get this guy in their gym following a 56 point Playoff performance to take a commanding lead against the 1 seed.
Unless...
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 10:29:19 PM
Pretty telling, hey? You'd think MU would be on their hands and knees to get this guy in their gym following a 56 point Playoff performance to take a commanding lead against the 1 seed.
Unless...
You claim it's in your history. Feel free to bring those receipts.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2023, 10:38:13 PM
You claim it's in your history. Feel free to bring those receipts.
+1
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2023, 10:38:13 PM
You claim it's in your history. Feel free to bring those receipts.
I'm assuming he's referring to one of these posts:
Quote from: withoutbias on January 29, 2021, 06:25:47 PM
One of the players named above was involved.
The gang rape resulted in at least one "starter" being dismissed from the program after the season. And the handling of it was brutally terrible.
Montrerale Clark was scheduled to play for Marquette until he was put (still is?) in jail for raping a girl.
The "final straw" in "messing with happy" was when MU would not allow a recruit who attempted to light a girl's hair on fire with a Bunsen burner in science lab into MU (fire department had to be called). Admin bent over backwards and stretched the rules time and again, but MU finally stood its ground and Buzz was out the door. Kid was quickly kicked out of the program that did take him for behavioral issues.
And no, I will not name names. The only one I will is the one who was convicted in the court of law.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 07, 2022, 10:06:28 AM
Would feel bad for the victims of the "F" in his middle name while he was at Marquette if he got that recognition. Least favorite MU player by a long shot.
or his posts in this thread
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63466.msg1458294#msg1458294
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 25, 2023, 09:03:54 PM
Yup. Always is.
Everybody who claims they know why Jimmy disconnected from MU is always silent when asked.
Same with anyone who says Jimmy is a 'bad guy'.
Regarding why he's not engaging with Marquette now, I don't know. My understanding is that it's fairly recent. Like Shaka-era recent. (Not saying it's Shaka's fault or anything.)
And I highly doubt it has anything to do with what bias is talking about. He is still featured in the "Prayer" video, and his segments were recorded during the Wojo era.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 25, 2023, 08:01:47 AM
His nicknames now are
JGB or Jimmy Gets Buckets or Jimmy G Butler or Jimmy Buckets. Harkens back to the Bulls anouncer
James Butler or Literally Jimmy
Himmy Butler, more recent with players being called Him the past few years
Jimbo is thrown around
I rarely see JFB or Jimmy MF Butler outside of Scoop, but it might be catching on
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1650683518308225028
You forgot JBut
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 25, 2023, 08:01:47 AM
His nicknames now are
JGB or Jimmy Gets Buckets or Jimmy G Butler or Jimmy Buckets. Harkens back to the Bulls anouncer
James Butler or Literally Jimmy
Himmy Butler, more recent with players being called Him the past few years
Jimbo is thrown around
I rarely see JFB or Jimmy MF Butler outside of Scoop, but it might be catching on
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1650683518308225028
Jimmy Playoffs
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2023, 08:20:29 AM
Jimmy Playoffs
WHOP
Worst Human On Planet-signed withoutbias
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 10:29:19 PM
Pretty telling, hey? You'd think MU would be on their hands and knees to get this guy in their gym following a 56 point Playoff performance to take a commanding lead against the 1 seed.
Unless...
Well thanks. "Unless..." is absolute proof.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 02:30:48 PM
Well thanks. "Unless..." is absolute proof.
You bet. Thanks for your riveting input about seeing two highlights that involved Sam Hauser on ESPN.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 25, 2023, 10:29:19 PM
Pretty telling, hey? You'd think MU would be on their hands and knees to get this guy in their gym following a 56 point Playoff performance to take a commanding lead against the 1 seed.
Unless...
They published his accomplishment all over social media. He HAS been on campus numerous times since he left.
He wasn't in the gym because he is feuding with MU for some unknown reason. (Unknown to me...not saying MU doesn't know.)
I have no idea about your claims about what he did or did not do on campus. But I feel pretty confident your claims have nothing to do with his involvement with MU right now.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 26, 2023, 02:33:08 PM
You bet. Thanks for your riveting input about seeing two highlights that involved Sam Hauser on ESPN.
My apologies for putting an item about Hauser in the Hauser thread.
I should have made a riveting, evidence-free accusation about Sacar Anim being an awful awful person.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 04:09:34 PM
My apologies for putting an item about Hauser in the Hauser thread.
I should have made a riveting, evidence-free accusation about Sacar Anim being an awful awful person.
It's been shared. It was even posted for you to view by someone else. If you don't want to believe it that's fine. I'm not sure why I'd make it up. But you're totally right. I had 2 dartboards. One with a list of famous MU basketball alum. The other with a list of bad things a human can do. I threw one at each board and just threw what came up on Scoop for fun.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 26, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
It's been shared. It was even posted for you to view by someone else. If you don't want to believe it that's fine. I'm not sure why I'd make it up. But you're totally right. I had 2 dartboards. One with a list of famous MU basketball alum. The other with a list of bad things a human can do. I threw one at each board and just threw what came up on Scoop for fun.
Checks out
Those claims should be verifiable if someone was charged, no? Why are there no records?
Quote from: withoutbias on April 26, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
It's been shared. It was even posted for you to view by someone else. If you don't want to believe it that's fine. I'm not sure why I'd make it up. But you're totally right. I had 2 dartboards. One with a list of famous MU basketball alum. The other with a list of bad things a human can do. I threw one at each board and just threw what came up on Scoop for fun.
Zero evidence. Thanks.
Former Marquette forward Jimmy Butler had a nice game against the Bucks tonight.
https://instagram.com/stories/miamiheat/3089989485912472044?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I don't know how to link a story so hopefully this works. Maybe he didn't notice it was her, but Jimmy was waving bye bye to the crowd and completely plowed by Barb Kellaher only adding to the mystery of the Jimmy/Marquette story.
This could be a TV series lol.
Edited: Here's the same video on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1651468736078000129?t=I4AnKG-O0IfqY6GvRMb3fg&s=19
He clearly didn't notice who it was. She seemed like just another Karen yelling at him.
I knew the story of Jimmy beating the Wolves starters with the 3rd stringers, but these details from Jeff Teague are hilarious! Never heard this side before.
https://twitter.com/wellssssssssss/status/1651377970244616192?t=1LYouxNocD8g3NcOG5iIMg&s=19
So, its been well established here that #22 isn't a very good NBA player. But, is #31 a good NBA head coach, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 09, 2023, 08:13:07 PM
So, its been well established here that #22 isn't a very good NBA player. But, is #31 a good NBA head coach, hey?
Jimmy Butler is averaging exactly 35 points in his last 10 playoff games.
He is the best player in the world at this very moment in time.
May be different next week, but he's just locked in.
And Doc has another 3-1 series lead, basically locked up. What could possibly go wrong?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 10, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
And Doc has another 3-1 series lead, basically locked up. What could possibly go wrong?
Rooting for Doc and Jimmy to make it to the Eastern Conference finals. That way MU is guaranteed representation in The Finals.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 10, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
And Doc has another 3-1 series lead, basically locked up. What could possibly go wrong?
The Sixers have a 3-2 series lead.
Quote from: MU82 on May 10, 2023, 10:34:23 PM
The Sixers have a 3-2 series lead.
Wow, the collapse has already begun.
Quote from: drewm88 on May 11, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Wow, the collapse has already begun.
Well, it was 2-2 and the Sixers won in Boston, but your post still made me chuckle.
Rooting for Philly to phinish 'em off tonight!
Rcap of Jimmy's 1st Round Series against the Bucks from his own production crew.
At the end of the video "Get me the f**k up outta here man, I don't want to be here no more. Tyler Junior College Grad."
Whatever happened between Jimmy and Marquette made him hate them, not just dislike 😂😂😂. Awesome video.
https://youtu.be/EvTH7HJujBw
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 15, 2023, 03:13:22 PM
Rcap of Jimmy's 1st Round Series against the Bucks from his own production crew.
At the end of the video "Get me the f**k up outta here man, I don't want to be here no more. Tyler Junior College Grad."
Whatever happened between Jimmy and Marquette made him hate them, not just dislike 😂😂😂. Awesome video.
https://youtu.be/EvTH7HJujBw
The guy's a total douche. Milwaukee is a safer place when he's the f**k up outta here. So good riddance.
35 Points
7 Assists
5 Rebounds
6 Steals
For Jimmy Butler in a Game 1 win over Boston.
Even got a "JIMMY FRICKEN BUTLER" putts Kevin Harlan.
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1659034875784044546
Skip Bayless
@RealSkipBayless
I've never seen anything quite like Jimmy Butler. Such crafty strength and athleticism. Such high-IQ vision. He IS the Heat offense. He is the PG, SG, PF. He is the best 1-on-1 defender. NEVER HAS A CONF FINALS TEAM BEEN MORE DEPENDENT ON A SINGLE STAR. He is HE.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on May 18, 2023, 06:01:30 AM
Skip Bayless
@RealSkipBayless
I've never seen anything quite like Jimmy Butler. Such crafty strength and athleticism. Such high-IQ vision. He IS the Heat offense. He is the PG, SG, PF. He is the best 1-on-1 defender. NEVER HAS A CONF FINALS TEAM BEEN MORE DEPENDENT ON A SINGLE STAR. He is HE.
That's just wrong. But yes, Jimmy has been incredible.
Bayless can't even get the bit right. ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2023, 06:52:34 AM
Bayless can't even get the bit right. ;D
As we all know, his business model isn't about getting things right.
Jimmy doing a great job leading The Heat to a 2-0 lead versus Celts.
Jimmy Fricken Buckets!
Well worth the read for those with a subscription to the Athletic who would like a stroll down memory lane with reflections on JFB from familiar names: https://theathletic.com/2107706/2020/10/05/hannah-montana-country-music-and-a-bunny-suit-jimmy-butlers-college-days/?source=user_shared_article
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on May 23, 2023, 12:40:28 PM
Well worth the read for those with a subscription to the Athletic who would like a stroll down memory lane with reflections on JFB from familiar names: https://theathletic.com/2107706/2020/10/05/hannah-montana-country-music-and-a-bunny-suit-jimmy-butlers-college-days/?source=user_shared_article
It is a great article. Thanks for posting it. It was fun reading it for a second time.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on May 23, 2023, 12:40:28 PM
Well worth the read for those with a subscription to the Athletic who would like a stroll down memory lane with reflections on JFB from familiar names: https://theathletic.com/2107706/2020/10/05/hannah-montana-country-music-and-a-bunny-suit-jimmy-butlers-college-days/?source=user_shared_article
Great article. JFB is one amazing dude.
Excellent win for Jimmy , Jamal and The Heat
Looking forward to the Finals
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 27, 2023, 10:15:05 PM
Excellent win for Jimmy , Jamal and The Heat
Looking forward to the Finals
Fan f'ing tastic
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 27, 2023, 10:15:05 PM
Excellent win for Jimmy , Jamal and The Heat
Looking forward to the Finals
Is someone gonna tell him?
Denver is sweeping the winner
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2023, 10:17:04 PM
Fan f'ing tastic
Herm couldn't wait another 3 seconds.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 27, 2023, 10:25:33 PM
Denver is sweeping the winner
Hope so. Can't stand either.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 27, 2023, 10:25:33 PM
Denver is sweeping the winner
Nah. But they are the best team.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 27, 2023, 10:27:55 PM
Herm couldn't wait another 3 seconds.
Dewey beat Truman LOL
I was just watching CBS Sports app and it showed Marcus Smart missed shot with no time left , so I went to bed .
Just woke up to a false alarm. Looked at phone and Wow!
Quote from: wadesworld on May 27, 2023, 10:29:01 PM
Nah. But they are the best team.
Not playing for a week plus won't be great short term.
The Heat were not getting many calls down the stretch. Seems to me like the NBA wanted a game Monday.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 28, 2023, 01:03:30 AM
Dewey beat Truman LOL
I was just watching CBS Sports app and it showed Marcus Smart missed shot with no time left , so I went to bed .
Just woke up to a false alarm. Looked at phone and Wow!
Love the Dewey/Truman analogy Herman! I doubted the CBS statement though. A couple of scoopers had a little fun at your expense, and I think you will be on the receiving end of another jibe or two. I won't be one of them if you promise to abandon the god awful "English Enterprises." ;D
Quote from: 79Warrior on May 28, 2023, 09:38:17 AM
The Heat were not getting many calls down the stretch. Seems to me like the NBA wanted a game Monday.
Jimmy got fouled ~2.5 left. Stopped at 2.1 in real time. They bumped it back to 3.0.
NBA definitely wanted a game on Monday.
Quote from: 1318WWells on May 28, 2023, 02:14:57 PM
Jimmy got fouled ~2.5 left. Stopped at 2.1 in real time. They bumped it back to 3.0.
NBA definitely wanted a game on Monday.
The NBA made the 1972 Russian Olympic basketball team proud.
Quote from: 1318WWells on May 28, 2023, 02:14:57 PM
Jimmy got fouled ~2.5 left. Stopped at 2.1 in real time. They bumped it back to 3.0.
NBA definitely wanted a game on Monday.
FFS not every questionable call is a conspiracy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 28, 2023, 03:42:41 PM
FFS not every questionable call is a conspiracy.
Watch the end of the game. They reviewed Jimmy's shot to make sure it was a 3point attempt. Fine if you want to correct the clock, but there's no possible way it was more than 2.5 left. That was the exact moment he got fouled.
The clock didn't run off a couple secs. It stopped at 2.1.
They reset it to 3.0.
The ball left White's hand with less than .1 on the winning putback.
Quote from: 1318WWells on May 28, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
Watch the end of the game. They reviewed Jimmy's shot to make sure it was a 3point attempt. Fine if you want to correct the clock, but there's no possible way it was more than 2.5 left. That was the exact moment he got fouled.
The clock didn't run off a couple secs. It stopped at 2.1.
They reset it to 3.0.
The ball left White's hand with less than .1 on the winning putback.
The NBA is rigged in late game situations. I think just about everyone recognizes that by now.
Some still enjoy watching because there is still entertainment value. Who doesn't like a game 7?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 28, 2023, 04:29:08 PM
The NBA is rigged in late game situations. I think just about everyone recognizes that by now.
Some still enjoy watching because their is still entertainment value. Who doesn't like a game 7?
I agree.
The NBA definitely wanted a game on Monday.
Quote from: 1318WWells on May 28, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
Watch the end of the game. They reviewed Jimmy's shot to make sure it was a 3point attempt. Fine if you want to correct the clock, but there's no possible way it was more than 2.5 left. That was the exact moment he got fouled.
The clock didn't run off a couple secs. It stopped at 2.1.
They reset it to 3.0.
The ball left White's hand with less than .1 on the winning putback.
Do I have to wear tin foil in advance of watching the replay? Or do I just channel my inner Alex Jones.
Quote from: 1318WWells on May 28, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
Watch the end of the game. They reviewed Jimmy's shot to make sure it was a 3point attempt. Fine if you want to correct the clock, but there's no possible way it was more than 2.5 left. That was the exact moment he got fouled.
The clock didn't run off a couple secs. It stopped at 2.1.
They reset it to 3.0.
The ball left White's hand with less than .1 on the winning putback.
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1662742251884408833?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Neat seeing the international recognition with Neymar celebrating his bro Jimmy
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs3HTL_A11D/?hl=en
Never would have thought I'd see Jamal Cain with Jimmy, Alonzo Mourning, Spo, and Love on his way to the NBA Finals in his first year in the league. Wild ride for the young man!
Not sure if this was posted.
https://youtu.be/cOiYvdQOECw (https://youtu.be/cOiYvdQOECw)
I guess this goes here?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1664658386598912001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1664658386598912001%7Ctwgr%5E035dc1c8b7bdd1f3ccd8260872f647efc612c1da%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2294629start%3D140
Add some fuel to the MU-JFB feid internet speculation... 34 minute mark on this podcast interview with Stevie: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/big-east-barroom/id1668814992?i=1000615805147
Kam Jones appearing on mock draft:
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2024 (https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2024)
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on June 06, 2023, 12:00:29 AM
Add some fuel to the MU-JFB feid internet speculation... 34 minute mark on this podcast interview with Stevie: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/big-east-barroom/id1668814992?i=1000615805147
For those who didn't listen, in addition to adding fuel to that fire, Stevie showed that perhaps coaching isn't in his future. He was asked, "Start, Bench, or Cut" about Jimmy, Wes, and Jay. His answer:
Start Wes
Bench Jae
Cut Jimmy
Kind of an rough question to ask a college kid about famous alum of his program.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 06, 2023, 08:43:14 AM
Kam Jones appearing on mock draft:
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2024 (https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2024)
Ahead of Bronny.
And also ahead of Oso and Kolek, who didn't make the cut of this mock.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 06, 2023, 09:12:56 AM
For those who didn't listen, in addition to adding fuel to that fire, Stevie showed that perhaps coaching isn't in his future. He was asked, "Start, Bench, or Cut" about Jimmy, Wes, and Jay. His answer:
Start Wes
Bench Jae
Cut Jimmy
Kind of an rough question to ask a college kid about famous alum of his program.
The guys running that podcast are just kids themselves, but agreed that it was an unfair question for a college player.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 06, 2023, 09:12:56 AM
For those who didn't listen, in addition to adding fuel to that fire, Stevie showed that perhaps coaching isn't in his future. He was asked, "Start, Bench, or Cut" about Jimmy, Wes, and Jay. His answer:
Start Wes
Bench Jae
Cut Jimmy
Kind of an rough question to ask a college kid about famous alum of his program.
If you are going with what they were in their time at Marquette you probably flip Jae and Wes, but it's debatable. He also clarified that it was because Wes and Jae have shown the program love while Jimmy has not. The hosts said they need to get Jimmy to a game and Stevie noted that Wade has been very involved, so he'd go right to the top if he was included.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 06, 2023, 10:14:23 AM
If you are going with what they were in their time at Marquette you probably flip Jae and Wes, but it's debatable. He also clarified that it was because Wes and Jae have shown the program love while Jimmy has not. The hosts said they need to get Jimmy to a game and Stevie noted that Wade has been very involved, so he'd go right to the top if he was included.
Stevie is from PA. I'd imagine he is or was a 76ers fan. They have envy towards Jimmy for leaving and taking Miami to the Finals twice. Could be why.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 06, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
Stevie is from PA. I'd imagine he is or was a 76ers fan. They have envy towards Jimmy for leaving and taking Miami to the Finals twice. Could be why.
He literally spelled it out. He said it's because Wes and Jae have shown them love and been back to MU while Jimmy has not.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 06, 2023, 12:36:54 PM
He literally spelled it out. He said it's because Wes and Jae have shown them love and been back to MU while Jimmy has not.
Oh nice! Even better!
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1666145759383678977?t=bnUDPtiOG2sUIyLT9S-ujQ&s=19
Jimmy knows Marquette still exists. We're back!
Can someone who's more aware than me go into detail on why there's this supposed MU-Jimmy feud? Or is it simply confirmation bias.
Is it just because Buzz isn't there anymore? You know...because HE chose to leave and then publicly trash the school that gave him his shot.
Because we don't recruit JUCO's anymore?
What am I missing here?
Quote from: onepost on June 07, 2023, 12:08:20 PM
Can someone who's more aware than me go into detail on why there's this supposed MU-Jimmy feud? Or is it simply confirmation bias.
Is it just because Buzz isn't there any more? You know...because HE chose to leave and then publicly trash the school that gave him his shot?
What am I missing here?
Haha this got a chuckle out of me
Quote from: onepost on June 07, 2023, 12:08:20 PM
Can someone who's more aware than me go into detail on why there's this supposed MU-Jimmy feud? Or is it simply confirmation bias.
Is it just because Buzz isn't there anymore? You know...because HE chose to leave and then publicly trash the school that gave him his shot.
Because we don't recruit JUCO's anymore?
What am I missing here?
Quote from: DoctorV on June 07, 2023, 01:02:31 PM
Haha this got a chuckle out of me
Yeah. And if someone does decide to answer him, I hope they'll address the Warriors/Golden Eagles name change and restoring football while they're at it.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 07, 2023, 01:10:43 PM
Yeah. And if someone does decide to answer him, I hope they'll address the Warriors/Golden Eagles name change and restoring football while they're at it.
Let's not forget our new entrant. MU cancelling Senior Week.
Pissed about all the Bud Light advertising at Fiserv.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 07, 2023, 01:10:43 PM
Yeah. And if someone does decide to answer him, I hope they'll address the Warriors/Golden Eagles name change and restoring football while they're at it.
Honest to God don't follow closely enough to know, other than assuming the obvious.
But thanks!
Quote from: onepost on June 07, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
Honest to God don't follow closely enough to know, other than assuming the obvious.
But thanks!
It wasn't intended as a shot at you,
onepost. It's just kind of funny when people pop in and ask question about things that have been discussed
ad nauseum recently. I don't fault you or others for not having read it. My post came off as more mean-spirited than intended.
There's plenty of discussion here (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64804.0). You could also scroll back a couple months in this thread - it's raised on 4/16 and comes up again a week later (and even then the tone is already sarcastic because it had been hashed and rehashed). A word of advice for you if you start digging into this: don't expect to find many answers.
Specifics haven't been posted here because they don't exist.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 07, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Specifics haven't been posted here because they don't exist.
Not true.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 07, 2023, 03:03:03 PM
It wasn't intended as a shot at you, onepost. It's just kind of funny when people pop in and ask question about things that have been discussed ad nauseum recently. I don't fault you or others for not having read it. My post came off as more mean-spirited than intended.
There's plenty of discussion here (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64804.0). You could also scroll back a couple months in this thread - it's raised on 4/16 and comes up again a week later (and even then the tone is already sarcastic because it had been hashed and rehashed). A word of advice for you if you start digging into this: don't expect to find many answers.
Thanks SAW. Outside of recruiting threads, I basically spend no time in the offseason on here.
Will check it out.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 06, 2023, 10:14:23 AM
If you are going with what they were in their time at Marquette you probably flip Jae and Wes, but it's debatable.
Jae was POY in the Big East and led us to a Big East Championship. Wes had a solid though unspectacular college career and went undrafted. Not really debatable.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
Jae was POY in the Big East and led us to a Big East Championship. Wes had a solid though unspectacular college career and went undrafted. Not really debatable.
False
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 07, 2023, 06:43:51 PM
False
You are correct - we were 14-4 but finished 2nd.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
Jae was POY in the Big East and led us to a Big East Championship. Wes had a solid though unspectacular college career and went undrafted. Not really debatable.
No doubt Jae's peak was better. But Wes had 4 years to accumulate stats (1 injury riddled) while Jae only had 2.
Wes's senior year was 18.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists with an eFG % of 52.7.
Jae's senior year was 17.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists with an eFG % of 56.8.
Jae was better in their respective best seasons at MU, but it's not that big of a difference.
For their careers, Wes was 13.2 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists with an eFG% of 48.8 over 4 years. Jae was 14.6 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists with an eFG% of 56% over 2 years.
Definitely debatable.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 07, 2023, 03:23:39 PM
Not true.
Still no evidence of the phantom post on the IWB board. I'll believe it when I see it.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 07, 2023, 08:21:35 PM
No doubt Jae's peak was better. But Wes had 4 years to accumulate stats (1 injury riddled) while Jae only had 2.
Wes's senior year was 18.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists with an eFG % of 52.7.
Jae's senior year was 17.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists with an eFG % of 56.8.
Jae was better in their respective best seasons at MU, but it's not that big of a difference.
For their careers, Wes was 13.2 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists with an eFG% of 48.8 over 4 years. Jae was 14.6 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists with an eFG% of 56% over 2 years.
Definitely debatable.
So in their best (senior) seasons it clearly Jae. For their careers it's clearly Jae. But it's debatable. LOL.
Jae was easily the best player on a team that was 14-4 in the Big East, a S16, 3 seed tournament team.
Wes was the second best player on a 10-6, round of 32, 6 seed tournament team.
Not all that close.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 09:28:20 PM
So in their best (senior) seasons it clearly Jae. For their careers it's clearly Jae. But it's debatable. LOL.
Jae was easily the best player on a team that was 14-4 in the Big East, a S16, 3 seed tournament team.
Wes was the second best player on a 10-6, round of 32, 6 seed tournament team.
Not all that close.
Clearly? Yeah, no. And career? I'd argue it's clearly Wes, given that he was around for 4 years.
Wes's "10"-6 (they were 12-6, but that doesn't sound as good for the narrative), round of 32, 6 seed tournament team was 23-4, 12-2 and ranked 8 in the country when their point guard got injured and they lost 6 of 8 after the injury. And he was clearly the best player on that team.
No doubt close.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 07:13:23 PM
You are correct - we were 14-4 but finished 2nd.
I think Syracuse had to vacate wins that season, so they probably did win the Big East, retroactively. #hangthebanner
Quote from: wadesworld on June 07, 2023, 09:57:24 PM
Clearly? Yeah, no. And career? I'd argue it's clearly Wes, given that he was around for 4 years.
Wes's "10"-6 (they were 12-6, but that doesn't sound as good for the narrative), round of 32, 6 seed tournament team was 23-4, 12-2 and ranked 8 in the country when their point guard got injured and they lost 6 of 8 after the injury. And he was clearly the best player on that team.
No doubt close.
Mea Culpa on the 10-6 vs 12-6. Wes made 2nd team all Big East that year. The only time he made the list in his career. You say he was "clearly the best player on that team" but Jerel McNeal was 1st team all Big East East that year. They finished 5th, and collapsed down the stretch despite being led by 1st and 2nd team all Big East players.
Jae wasn't just 1st team, he was POY FFS. The next time Wes gets one (1) vote for Big East POY it will be the first. I doubt he ever even received one vote for 1st team all Big East.
Wes was a complimentary player for three years and a standout for one. Jae was a complimentary player for one year and the POY for one. No contest, no debate except for someone looking for one.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 07, 2023, 08:45:31 PM
Still no evidence of the phantom post on the IWB board. I'll believe it when I see it.
Ok. My job isn't to convince you of something you don't want to believe.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 11:03:03 PM
Mea Culpa on the 10-6 vs 12-6. Wes made 2nd team all Big East that year. The only time he made the list in his career. You say he was "clearly the best player on that team" but Jerel McNeal was 1st team all Big East East that year. They finished 5th, and collapsed down the stretch despite being led by 1st and 2nd team all Big East players.
Jae wasn't just 1st team, he was POY FFS. The next time Wes gets one (1) vote for Big East POY it will be the first. I doubt he ever even received one vote for 1st team all Big East.
Wes was a complimentary player for three years and a standout for one. Jae was a complimentary player for one year and the POY for one. No contest, no debate except for someone looking for one.
Yeah it's a theme with you. Jae's team won the BE (didn't), Wes's team went 10-6 (didn't). If it was so obvious that Wes doesn't compare to Jae, you wouldn't have to make stuff up to make Jae's accomplishments (even though both of those things are how their teams did, reaching even further) look better. The team "collapsed down the stretch" after losing their starting point guard.
Correct. Like I've said, Jae's best year was better than Wes's best year. Wes was here for 4 years, while Jae was here for 2 years. Wes averaged 11.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 2.2 assists over his freshman and sophomore years (heck of a "complimentary player") while Jae averaged 0.0 points, 0.0 rebounds, and 0.0 assists for Marquette his freshman and sophomore years. Those years matter.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 08, 2023, 03:22:35 AM
Ok. My job isn't to convince you of something you don't want to believe.
If you have something, then post it. No sense in discussing it otherwise.
Jae made a big mistake by holding out with Suns. Got traded and ended up hurt and on the bench anyway. Will be interesting to see who signs him now.
https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/news/will-jae-crowder-stay-with-the-milwaukee-bucks-or-go-somewhere-else
Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2023, 08:47:09 AM
Yeah it's a theme with you. Jae's team won the BE (didn't), Wes's team went 10-6 (didn't). If it was so obvious that Wes doesn't compare to Jae, you wouldn't have to make stuff up to make Jae's accomplishments (even though both of those things are how their teams did, reaching even further) look better. The team "collapsed down the stretch" after losing their starting point guard.
Correct. Like I've said, Jae's best year was better than Wes's best year. Wes was here for 4 years, while Jae was here for 2 years. Wes averaged 11.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 2.2 assists over his freshman and sophomore years (heck of a "complimentary player") while Jae averaged 0.0 points, 0.0 rebounds, and 0.0 assists for Marquette his freshman and sophomore years. Those years matter.
Whatever. Despite your protestations to the contrary,Wes was never judged to be the best player on his team. Wes never made 1st team All Big East. And the team on which he was judged to be the 2nd best player was 12-6, 5th place, 6 seed, round of 32. Jae was unanimous All Big East and conference POY. The team on which he was clearly the best player was 14-4, 2nd place, 3 seed, S16.
Those were Wes and Jae's senior year, BY FAR their best at Marquette. And in those years Jae was MUCH BETTER, not debatable. You want to give Wes a trophy for 11.8, 4.8 and 2.2, go ahead and crown him. I love the guy, but he'd be embarrassed by your weak sauce argument.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 13, 2023, 09:06:22 PM
Whatever. Despite your protestations to the contrary,Wes was never judged to be the best player on his team. Wes never made 1st team All Big East. And the team on which he was judged to be the 2nd best player was 12-6, 5th place, 6 seed, round of 32. Jae was unanimous All Big East and conference POY. The team on which he was clearly the best player was 14-4, 2nd place, 3 seed, S16.
Those were Wes and Jae's senior year, BY FAR their best at Marquette. And in those years Jae was MUCH BETTER, not debatable. You want to give Wes a trophy for 11.8, 4.8 and 2.2, go ahead and crown him. I love the guy, but he'd be embarrassed by your weak sauce argument.
Okay hoopaloop. Funny because you are very much like Chicos.
18.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists is MUCH WORSE, not debatable than 17.5/8.4/2.1. Interesting stuff chee...err, len!
You just not have been a big fan or overly impressed with Oso this year if you think 11.2/4.8/2.2 per game is "weak sauce." We're salivating over a rising senior who had numbers that were a hair better than Wes had as a freshman and sophomore.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2023, 09:56:07 PM
Okay hoopaloop. Funny because you are very much like Chicos.
18.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists is MUCH WORSE, not debatable than 17.5/8.4/2.1. Interesting stuff chee...err, len!
You just not have been a big fan or overly impressed with Oso this year if you think 11.2/4.8/2.2 per game is "weak sauce." We're salivating over a rising senior who had numbers that were a hair better than Wes had as a freshman and sophomore.
Insult me all you want with the Chico type BS - it's your go to move every time you're owned in a disagreement on Scoop so I guess it's a compliment.
You're hung up on old school stats (and cherry picked ones at that - no steals, no blocks). In 2011-12, Jae was 2nd in the Big East in steals, 10th nationally. Wes didn't cracked the top 20 in any of his seasons. Blocks, Jae was 20th and 15th in the Big East in his 2 years. Wes didn't crack the top 20. Let's move on to some advanced stats:
Total Win Shares: Wes cracked the Big East top 20 twice - 20th in 2006-7, 4th in 2008-9. Jae was 9th in 2010-11, 1st in 2011-12 (and 5th Nationally).
EFG%: Each were in the top 20 BE once - Wes was 6th (.527) in 2008-9, Jae was 1st in 2011-12 (.568).
Bottom line - Jae was better than Wes in every defensive metric and most offensive ones. Because of that, he was a unanimous 1st team All Big East player and the #1 player in the conference his senior year. And a 2nd team All American. Wes was a solid contributor who came into his own his senior year and made 2nd team All Big East.
So you're wrong and the important stats and awards prove it. But nobody here digs in better than you once you've taken an indefensible position. Congrats on that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 13, 2023, 11:26:25 PM
Insult me all you want with the Chico type BS - it's your go to move every time you're owned in a disagreement on Scoop so I guess it's a compliment.
You're hung up on old school stats (and cherry picked ones at that - no steals, no blocks). In 2011-12, Jae was 2nd in the Big East in steals, 10th nationally. Wes didn't cracked the top 20 in any of his seasons. Blocks, Jae was 20th and 15th in the Big East in his 2 years. Wes didn't crack the top 20. Let's move on to some advanced stats:
Total Win Shares: Wes cracked the Big East top 20 twice - 20th in 2006-7, 4th in 2008-9. Jae was 9th in 2010-11, 1st in 2011-12 (and 5th Nationally).
EFG%: Each were in the top 20 BE once - Wes was 6th (.527) in 2008-9, Jae was 1st in 2011-12 (.568).
Bottom line - Jae was better than Wes in every defensive metric and most offensive ones. Because of that, he was a unanimous 1st team All Big East player and the #1 player in the conference his senior year. And a 2nd team All American. Wes was a solid contributor who came into his own his senior year and made 2nd team All Big East.
So you're wrong and the important stats and awards prove it. But nobody here digs in better than you once you've taken an indefensible position. Congrats on that.
Lol. I'm hung up on "old school stats" (who cares about points, rebounds, and assists?) but hey let's take a look at who made what All Conference Teams, when they were playing in different years and the BE was a lot stronger Wes's senior year. That's a good quality new metric there for you!
Hilarious that I'm "cherry-picking stats" (nobody would ever look at points, rebounds, and assists!) while you're just blatantly making things up (good news guys, MU has an extra Big East title! Bad news is MU has 2 less BE wins. Solid trade off though).
The funny part is I've said Jae's best year was better! You're just the one who said it was MUCH BETTER, and then point to a difference of 20th best compared to 9th best, 4th best compared to best, and 6th best compared to best. You're right, of all the players in the Big East, having 11 players separate them, 3 players separate them, and 5 players separate them shows that Jae was MUCH BETTER than Wes.
All this despite averaging what Oso just averaged for 2 years that Jae wasn't even playing at MU! Lol. But hey, Wes and Oso are just nice complimentary players for Marquette. They might as well be Chris Otule, Juan Anderson, or Duane Wilson. Just complimentary guys.
Good stuff as always Chico! Look forward to you bumping this a week from now!
Quote from: wadesworld on June 14, 2023, 07:27:08 AM
Lol. I'm hung up on "old school stats" (who cares about points, rebounds, and assists?) but hey let's take a look at who made what All Conference Teams, when they were playing in different years and the BE was a lot stronger Wes's senior year. That's a good quality new metric there for you!
Hilarious that I'm "cherry-picking stats" (nobody would ever look at points, rebounds, and assists!) while you're just blatantly making things up (good news guys, MU has an extra Big East title! Bad news is MU has 2 less BE wins. Solid trade off though).
The funny part is I've said Jae's best year was better! You're just the one who said it was MUCH BETTER, and then point to a difference of 20th best compared to 9th best, 4th best compared to best, and 6th best compared to best. You're right, of all the players in the Big East, having 11 players separate them, 3 players separate them, and 5 players separate them shows that Jae was MUCH BETTER than Wes.
All this despite averaging what Oso just averaged for 2 years that Jae wasn't even playing at MU! Lol. But hey, Wes and Oso are just nice complimentary players for Marquette. They might as well be Chris Otule, Juan Anderson, or Duane Wilson. Just complimentary guys.
Good stuff as always Chico! Look forward to you bumping this a week from now!
Wades
You think 2nd team AA is slightly better than 2nd team All Big East, I think it's a lot better.
You think Big East POY and unanimous 1st team All Big East is slightly better than 2nd team All Big East, I think it's a lot better.
You think being 5th nationally in win shares is slightly better than not being in the top 20, I think it's significantly better.
You think a league leading .568 efg% is slightly better than a 6th best .527, I think it's significantly better.
You think being much better at every defensive metric and having a much lower TO rate means a guy is slightly better, I think it makes him significantly better.
I could go on, but you're dug in like Chico used to be so there's no point. We can just agree to disagree.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
Wades
You think 2nd team AA is slightly better than 2nd team All Big East, I think it's a lot better.
You think Big East POY and unanimous 1st team All Big East is slightly better than 2nd team All Big East, I think it's a lot better.
You think being 5th nationally in win shares is slightly better than not being in the top 20, I think it's significantly better.
You think a league leading .568 efg% is slightly better than a 6th best .527, I think it's significantly better.
You think being much better at every defensive metric and having a much lower TO rate means a guy is slightly better, I think it makes him significantly better.
I could go on, but you're dug in like Chico used to be so there's no point. We can just agree to disagree.
Very original my man!
But yes. Objectively Jae was slightly better as a senior than Wes was. Thank you for confirming that. One of them played 4 years at Marquette while the other played 2. I hope Oso can up his game to be more than a complimentary player next year!
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2023, 03:37:29 PM
Jae made a big mistake by holding out with Suns. Got traded and ended up hurt and on the bench anyway. Will be interesting to see who signs him now.
https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/news/will-jae-crowder-stay-with-the-milwaukee-bucks-or-go-somewhere-else
He might be donezo
Jimmy apparently would "not show up" if he was voted into the Basketball HOF. He was asked about this in the context of D.Wade making it this year. He was very adamant in a NBA radio interview he was against individual awards. Truthfully this is completely asinine and he comes across as a tool/fool with this take. His point that "this is a team sport" has nothing to do with receiving the greatest honor as a basketball player. It's insulting to other players and draws attention to himself.
Who cares really.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 14, 2023, 02:28:26 PM
Very original my man!
But yes. Objectively Jae was slightly better as a senior than Wes was. Thank you for confirming that. One of them played 4 years at Marquette while the other played 2. I hope Oso can up his game to be more than a complimentary player next year!
One of Chico's favorite tactics in a lost argument was moving the goalposts and bringing up something extraneous. What does Oso have to do with the Wes, Jae comparison? Different position, totally different player but when the apples to apples comparison fails let's bring in an orange. But if you insist on going there...
Scott Merritt was the quintessential complimentary player on the 2002-3 MU team. His numbers in your 3 cherry picked categories that year were 10.8, 6.6 and 1.5 - basically a push with Wes's first 3 year composites. Doesn't mean a lot, but neither does all the Oso bullish!t you brought into the discussion.
It is an anti look at me take and keeping in character for Jimmy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 14, 2023, 07:56:31 PM
You would know.
Another one of your brilliant retorts Fluffy. The bottom line is this is a bad take from Jimmy.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2023, 08:00:34 PM
It is an anti look at me take and keeping in character for Jimmy.
No, it is not.
It must be June. Have at it.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2023, 08:04:31 PM
It must be June. Have at it.
So if Jimmy is voted into the HOF do you think he'll decline? Is he the only player in history that thinks "team first"?
Don't care.
Bad take, that's all I'm saying.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
Don't care.
It is a bad take but you're right who cares. He'll accept the instant the HOF calls. No one should pay that comment any attention.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 14, 2023, 08:33:16 PM
It is a bad take but you're right who cares. He'll accept the instant the HOF calls. No one should pay that comment any attention.
Okay....but it's a terrible take.
Just doing your job...officially 'terrible'.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/h3oKBn2omu2IukJOZQ/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9528o8tunwohl9vlko56g8nvvwe9irn444x1zdb6pen&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2023, 07:53:27 PM
One of Chico's favorite tactics in a lost argument was moving the goalposts and bringing up something extraneous. What does Oso have to do with the Wes, Jae comparison? Different position, totally different player but when the apples to apples comparison fails let's bring in an orange. But if you insist on going there...
Scott Merritt was the quintessential complimentary player on the 2002-3 MU team. His numbers in your 3 cherry picked categories that year were 10.8, 6.6 and 1.5 - basically a push with Wes's first 3 year composites. Doesn't mean a lot, but neither does all the Oso bullish!t you brought into the discussion.
Lol. This is a serious comment? So the 17.5/8.4/2.1 is "MUCH BETTER" than the 18.3/5.7/2.5 , but the 10.8/6.6/1.5 is "basically a push" with 11.2/4.6/3.1?
Nothing if not consistent Lenny!
But yes, I'm the one "cherrypicking stats" by pointing to points, rebounds, and assists. You know, the stats that are literally used for everything in basketball? Haha. But please, go show me a "Way Too Early Top 25" article that lists the win shares and true shooting percentages of each team's projected rosters, or as the stats that pop up on images during games when they show a player's season numbers.
Anyway, since I can't do anything but cherrypick stats by pointing out points, rebounds, and assists (who would ever look at such things?!), I'm going to go check out how Jae celebrated his Big East championship and maybe watch the highlights of all 10 Big East wins we got Wes's senior year! I'll give you credit. You'd never cherrypick stats. You'll just straight make them up!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2023, 11:03:03 PM
Wes was a complimentary player for three years and a standout for one. Jae was a complimentary player for one year and the POY for one. No contest, no debate except for someone looking for one.
*complementary
He could've been both. Maybe he was very nice to his teammates in an effort to boost the collective self esteem.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 14, 2023, 09:00:04 PM
Okay....but it's a terrible take.
Agree Muggs! He's FOS about this one and will accept the HOF invite when its given. In the meantime, let him say stupid stuff. Doesn't matter.
In the wake of last night's draft I was looking over some stuff about Marquette players in the NBA. Even though Wes was my favorite of the "Amigos" it's hard to believe how successful his career has been compared to the others. A few random facts:
- Wes has played in 950 games - second only to DWade (1054)
- Jerel played six games in the NBA, DJ none
- Wes has earned $113 million in the NBA
- Wes has averaged 11.68 points over his career
Maybe everyone else realized this; it kind of snuck up on me. One of my favorite memories of my son back when he was at that age where boys believe they have a future as a professional athlete was after Wes signed with Utah and my son said, "I hope I don't get drafted out of HS so that I can pick the team that I want to play for." I responded, "In the unlikely event you don't get drafted out of high school, I hope you'll give college a try for a year or two."
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 23, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
In the wake of last night's draft I was looking over some stuff about Marquette players in the NBA. Even though Wes was my favorite of the "Amigos" it's hard to believe how successful his career has been compared to the others. A few random facts:
- Wes has played in 950 games - second only to DWade (1054)
- Jerel played six games in the NBA, DJ none
- Wes has earned $113 million in the NBA
- Wes has averaged 11.68 points over his career
Maybe everyone else realized this; it kind of snuck up on me. One of my favorite memories of my son back when he was at that age where boys believe they have a future as a professional athlete was after Wes signed with Utah and my son said, "I hope I don't get drafted out of HS so that I can pick the team that I want to play for." I responded, "In the unlikely event you don't get drafted out of high school, I hope you'll give college a try for a year or two."
That was an outstanding response to your son. Love it!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 23, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
In the wake of last night's draft I was looking over some stuff about Marquette players in the NBA. Even though Wes was my favorite of the "Amigos" it's hard to believe how successful his career has been compared to the others. A few random facts:
- Wes has played in 950 games - second only to DWade (1054)
- Jerel played six games in the NBA, DJ none
- Wes has earned $113 million in the NBA
- Wes has averaged 11.68 points over his career
Maybe everyone else realized this; it kind of snuck up on me. One of my favorite memories of my son back when he was at that age where boys believe they have a future as a professional athlete was after Wes signed with Utah and my son said, "I hope I don't get drafted out of HS so that I can pick the team that I want to play for." I responded, "In the unlikely event you don't get drafted out of high school, I hope you'll give college a try for a year or two."
Wesley Matthews is also 24th on the all time 3-pointers made list, only 6 behind Kobe Bryant
The Miami Heat have extended a qualifying offer to Jamal Cain. LFG
couple of Marquette men make the list:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37923744/nba-free-agency-every-team-most-impactful-signing-2010 (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37923744/nba-free-agency-every-team-most-impactful-signing-2010)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 26, 2023, 08:13:12 PM
The Miami Heat have extended a qualifying offer to Jamal Cain. LFG
Excellent news for Jamal
Jae back with The Bucks on a one year contract
The OMax deal finally closed (Kings trading him to the Mavs). Looking forward to seeing him in the Summer League
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 29, 2023, 04:57:56 PM
Excellent news for Jamal
...never understood Wojo's strategy with JC. Happy for him now. Hope he sticks. He certainly looked good last night in the few minutes I watched his game.
Quote from: Viper on July 06, 2023, 06:28:48 PM
...never understood Wojo's strategy with JC. Happy for him now. Hope he sticks. He certainly looked good last night in the few minutes I watched his game.
Wojo was all in on Joey.
Quote from: Viper on July 06, 2023, 06:28:48 PM
...never understood Wojo's strategy with JC. Happy for him now. Hope he sticks. He certainly looked good last night in the few minutes I watched his game.
Credit Greg Kampe
Jamal had 17 6 and 0 1 steal last night in 24 minutes . Shot 7-10 from the field
Love JCs energy and enthusiasm
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/07/06/heats-jamal-cain-hoping-for-summer-statement-as-defensive-stopper-amid-contract-uncertainty/
the latest from Ben Steele
Here are the eight former Marquette Golden Eagles playing in the NBA summer league (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/07/04/marquettes-jamal-cain-justin-lewis-o-max-prosper-in-nba-summer-play/70381595007/)
Omax 2-3 for 5 pts in the first half, but no blocks.
Omax didn't do much. Played defense and wasn't involved in the offense. He didn't fall down once. He was a first round pick. I expected him to get some attempts. The other players were playing one on one. UGGGG Oh well, he will do what it takes to find his footing.
No blocks, no steals, no boards
#Consistent
Justin turned his ankle.
Jamal with another solid Summer League game 10 and 7
Great game for Cain tonight - including a late, game-tying 3, and a fine defensive play to force a turnover with 11 seconds to go to keep Miami in the game.
Omax is on ESPNU. Mediocre 1st half.
Quote from: MU82 on July 10, 2023, 07:26:24 PM
Great game for Cain tonight - including a late, game-tying 3, and a fine defensive play to force a turnover with 11 seconds to go to keep Miami in the game.
Jamal is working hard. Hopefully, The Heat retain him on the roster.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 10, 2023, 08:03:55 PM
Jamal is working hard. Hopefully, The Heat retain him on the roster.
Unlike Shaka who ran him off
OMax finishes with
10 points
7 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
1 block
in a win. Elite shot blocking skills.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 10, 2023, 09:15:16 PM
OMax finishes with
10 points
7 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
1 block
in a win. Elite shot blocking skills.
and 0 turnovers
How many times did he fall down?
Jae's theory to holdout from the Suns , as a way to get a better contract ,turned out to be a bad decision. According to this source , Jae signed for an NBA minimum deal.
https://twitter.com/eric_nehm/status/1678465276810264576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1678465276810264576%7Ctwgr%5E4dd79d84db0335f691d4fdfaed77ff1b6a40c12a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwisportsheroics.com%2Fnba-news-milwaukee-bucks-jae-crowder-contract%2F
O-Max showing a little more aggressiveness this game. No blocks, however.
Jamal another quality Summer League game
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-jamal-cain-productive-against-phoenix/amp/
Excellent article on Jamal
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article277190868.html
17 points
10 rebounds
3 assists
1 steal
for OMax in an overtime win. He looked great.
Often matched up with Brandin Podziemski who finish 1-10 with 5 points.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 12, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
17 points
10 rebounds
3 assists
1 steal
for OMax in an overtime win. He looked great.
Often matched up with Brandin Podziemski who finish 1-10 with 5 points.
Nice!!!!
No block? Dallas must have low standards.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 12, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
17 points
10 rebounds
3 assists
1 steal
for OMax in an overtime win. He looked great.
Often matched up with Brandin Podziemski who finish 1-10 with 5 points.
Podziemski is a heckuva player, aina?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 12, 2023, 07:04:30 PM
Excellent article on Jamal
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article277190868.html
I'm not sure how you can call an article on a player excellent when it doesn't mention block stats! ;D
Just a reminder that Jamal started a game for the Heat......at center!
I would be shocked if they don't keep him. They are indoctrinating him in #HeatCulture. They don't do that for just anyone.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 12, 2023, 08:26:28 PM
I'm not sure how you can call an article on a player excellent when it doesn't mention block stats! ;D
Just a reminder that Jamal started a game for the Heat......at center!
I would be shocked if they don't keep him. They are indoctrinating him in #HeatCulture. They don't do that for just anyone.
Jamal is a great kid pbi. I really hope he gets a shot so to speak.
Guessing Cain's got a pretty good shot at a standard contract once the Heat complete the Lillard deal. Sounds to me like the organization is giving him a chance to win a roster spot.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 12, 2023, 08:00:19 PM
Podziemski is a heckuva player, aina?
"heckuva" is the new "traditional."
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 12, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
17 points
10 rebounds
3 assists
1 steal
for OMax in an overtime win. He looked great.
Often matched up with Brandin Podziemski who finish 1-10 with 5 points.
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 08:48:53 AM
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
One of the comments:
"Pretty sure this guy pump fakes on every drive to basket"
Yep. At least he's not falling down though...
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on July 13, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
One of the comments:
"Pretty sure this guy pump fakes on every drive to basket"
Yep. At least he's not falling down though...
Heckuva player, aina?
The pump fake is as central to the game as the mid-range jumper.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 08:48:53 AM
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
Idiot fans don't know about his Blk%
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 08:48:53 AM
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
So happy to see Omax prospering in Summer League. Gives him some confidence when he goes to training camp.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 13, 2023, 11:17:32 AM
So happy to see Omax prospering in Summer League. Gives him some confidence when he goes to training camp.
I see what you did there
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 08:48:53 AM
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
Are they? I can't tell 😅😂
https://twitter.com/newlyalex/status/1679307305429393408?t=Va3ndrR57DLBoBbUs2xDN4JLAmaqQKEfrjCj1BBzjLI&s=19
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 08:48:53 AM
Mavs fans gushing about OMax. I'm happy that they're happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/14y5dnt/mavsmuse_omax_prosper_today_17_pts_10_reb_3_ast_1/
JB won't like this comment:
Maxi would be the perfect 5th guy there for some weakside shot blocking
didn't they pick omax to fill the void left by porzingis
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
didn't they pick omax to fill the void left by porzingis
Yes. They picked him to replace a guy who wasn't on their roster last year.
Quote from: withoutbias on July 13, 2023, 04:36:20 PM
Yes. They picked him to replace a guy who wasn't on their roster last year.
the lanky 3 point shooter they missed last year probably cost them a shot at the playoffs
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on July 12, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Guessing Cain's got a pretty good shot at a standard contract once the Heat complete the Lillard deal. Sounds to me like the organization is giving him a chance to win a roster spot.
From the Heat's media.
Excellent Interview with Jamal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TNo-MpwpA
I don't think he was playing.
DJ Carton playing for the TWolves in Summer League. Looks really good. Would not be surprised to see him get a shot in the next season or two. Putting up good numbers in the G League and certainly looks the part. Athleticism is still unreal, distribution and vision is good, and he's really quick on D.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 13, 2023, 09:28:52 PM
DJ Carton playing for the TWolves in Summer League. Looks really good. Would not be surprised to see him get a shot in the next season or two. Putting up good numbers in the G League and certainly looks the part. Athleticism is still unreal, distribution and vision is good, and he's really quick on D.
Just had to grow up a bit.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 13, 2023, 09:28:52 PM
DJ Carton playing for the TWolves in Summer League. Looks really good. Would not be surprised to see him get a shot in the next season or two. Putting up good numbers in the G League and certainly looks the part. Athleticism is still unreal, distribution and vision is good, and he's really quick on D.
ESPN highlighted this dunk from yesterday's game. Looks fairly routine on first glance, but watch the replays. He explodes to the hoop and throws it down despite taking a lot of contact.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=38008315
Same stuff he did at MU.
Quote from: MU82 on July 14, 2023, 07:20:47 AM
ESPN highlighted this dunk from yesterday's game. Looks fairly routine on first glance, but watch the replays. He explodes to the hoop and throws it down despite taking a lot of contact.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=38008315
And another
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38001617 (https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38001617)
I used to love the fake-handoff-go-in-for-the-poster-dunk play Carton was able to run surprisingly often.
I'd have enjoyed seeing DJ in Shaka's offense and defense, but oh well. Can't blame a kid for wanting to take a shot at his dream.
Jamal Cain looking like a man who will be on the NBA roster for the Heat this year. https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1680023964435750914/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1680023964435750914¤tTweetUser=MiamiHEAT
She make a man wants to speak Spanish
https://twitter.com/dru_star/status/1679813319316611074?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
"Shakira & Jimmy Butler separately arrived at the eatery within minutes of one another. The pair were spotted looking cozy inside the restaurant...After the dinner, Butler's security team assisted Shakira into her chauffeur-driven car...The athlete departed not long afterward"
jimmy f'ing butler sneaking around with the well traveled veteran. well, trying to sneak around..this is why i chose not to be rich n famous
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 14, 2023, 10:20:14 PM
She make a man wants to speak Spanish
https://twitter.com/dru_star/status/1679813319316611074?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
"Shakira & Jimmy Butler separately arrived at the eatery within minutes of one another. The pair were spotted looking cozy inside the restaurant...After the dinner, Butler's security team assisted Shakira into her chauffeur-driven car...The athlete departed not long afterward"
Shakira ex husband moving on to younger version
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11161517/PIC-EX-Gerard-Piqu-35-new-girlfriend-Clara-Chia-Marti-23-attend-wedding-Spain.html
Nothing better than old farts discussing other people's sex lives.
Creepy as can be.
Quote from: withoutbias on July 15, 2023, 12:13:45 PM
Nothing better than old farts discussing other people's sex lives.
Creepy as can be.
That's the Christian lifestyle
Omax with 18 points, 5 boards and a steal. +19 in a Mavs win over the Pacers
Quote from: JWags85 on July 13, 2023, 09:28:52 PM
DJ Carton playing for the TWolves in Summer League. Looks really good. Would not be surprised to see him get a shot in the next season or two. Putting up good numbers in the G League and certainly looks the part. Athleticism is still unreal, distribution and vision is good, and he's really quick on D.
An elite athlete. Wish we could have had him more than one year and playing for a competent coach.
Problem is he's not a shooter. Unless that improves significantly, he has almost no chance of sticking around.
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-olivier-maxence-prosper-summer-league-jared-dudley-rookie-impact-luka-doncic-draft-roster
Instant impact? All about the hustle. Scoring 17 points without a single play being called for him. Still doing the things that got him drafted.
He's going to have a long NBA career.
1 block
Quote from: tower912 on July 18, 2023, 06:25:41 AM
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-olivier-maxence-prosper-summer-league-jared-dudley-rookie-impact-luka-doncic-draft-roster
Instant impact? All about the hustle. Scoring 17 points without a single play being called for him. Still doing the things that got him drafted.
Suprised that his coach didn't mention lack of blocks. Although O-Max did state everyone is looking to block the shot Apparently not everyone.
The Athletic's Stan Son looked at each team's main Summer League participants. Here's their take on Prosper and Cain:
Prosper was one of the biggest risers in the pre-draft process and was eventually selected by the Mavericks with the 24th overall pick. He's 6-foot-8 and 230 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan. He converted 33% of his attempts from downtown in college and was 4-of-14 in four games in Las Vegas. He's looked explosive and had some impressive dunks while showing off the handles and punishing smaller defenders in the post. The defense was solid and the stroke from outside and the free-throw line looked good. If he can't shoot, though, then it's going to be difficult for Prosper to... prosper this season because the Mavs are not going to run out a 0-and-D player.
I just wanted to write up Cain so that I could insert: Cain is able. I'm the worst. Anyways, I do like Cain. He did some things in Summer League last year and earned a contract from Miami. He's 6-foot-6, 191 pounds and athletic. He's a good cutter, crashes the boards and can space the floor. He's a G League guy, but if given the opportunity, I think he can contribute.
No mention of Joey in the Utah section.
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2023, 08:22:25 AM
The Athletic's Stan Son looked at each team's main Summer League participants. Here's their take on Prosper and Cain:
Prosper was one of the biggest risers in the pre-draft process and was eventually selected by the Mavericks with the 24th overall pick. He's 6-foot-8 and 230 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan. He converted 33% of his attempts from downtown in college and was 4-of-14 in four games in Las Vegas. He's looked explosive and had some impressive dunks while showing off the handles and punishing smaller defenders in the post. The defense was solid and the stroke from outside and the free-throw line looked good. If he can't shoot, though, then it's going to be difficult for Prosper to... prosper this season because the Mavs are not going to run out a 0-and-D player.
I just wanted to write up Cain so that I could insert: Cain is able. I'm the worst. Anyways, I do like Cain. He did some things in Summer League last year and earned a contract from Miami. He's 6-foot-6, 191 pounds and athletic. He's a good cutter, crashes the boards and can space the floor. He's a G League guy, but if given the opportunity, I think he can contribute.
No mention of Joey in the Utah section.
Man, all that digital ink spilled for O-Max and Cain but Joey doesn't even get a letter?
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2023, 08:22:25 AM
The Athletic's Stan Son looked at each team's main Summer League participants. Here's their take on Prosper and Cain:
Prosper was one of the biggest risers in the pre-draft process and was eventually selected by the Mavericks with the 24th overall pick. He's 6-foot-8 and 230 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan. He converted 33% of his attempts from downtown in college and was 4-of-14 in four games in Las Vegas. He's looked explosive and had some impressive dunks while showing off the handles and punishing smaller defenders in the post. The defense was solid and the stroke from outside and the free-throw line looked good. If he can't shoot, though, then it's going to be difficult for Prosper to... prosper this season because the Mavs are not going to run out a 0-and-D player.
I just wanted to write up Cain so that I could insert: Cain is able. I'm the worst. Anyways, I do like Cain. He did some things in Summer League last year and earned a contract from Miami. He's 6-foot-6, 191 pounds and athletic. He's a good cutter, crashes the boards and can space the floor. He's a G League guy, but if given the opportunity, I think he can contribute.
No mention of Joey in the Utah section.
I appreciate the wordplay.
Wes gets another one year deal. This time with Hawks. Keep the cash flowing .
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1682390872363597827
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2023, 11:07:22 AM
Wes gets another one year deal. This time with Hawks. Keep the cash flowing .
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1682390872363597827
Heckuva player. Great job by Coach Crean making him a Golden Eagle
OMax signed his rookie deal. He came out ok.
Quote from: tower912 on July 28, 2023, 02:26:24 PM
OMax signed his rookie deal. He came out ok.
So did Jimmy...
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/shakira-getting-progressively-closer-jimmy-170240317.html
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 10, 2023, 12:32:01 AM
So did Jimmy...
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/shakira-getting-progressively-closer-jimmy-170240317.html
"They've been getting progressively closer over the past several weeks," an insider exclusively tells Us Weekly of Shakira, 46, and Butler, 33. "Jimmy makes Shakira smile, and she's really enjoying getting to know him on a deeper level."
Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJgOKjq1zfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJgOKjq1zfM)
Good luck to her.
Anybody see this coming?
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Good for Jayce. I wish he would have been healthy at MU.
Heat sign Cain to a two way contract.
https://twitter.com/miamiheat/status/1690082334123364352?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 12, 2023, 09:36:52 AM
Heat sign Cain to a two way contract.
https://twitter.com/miamiheat/status/1690082334123364352?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Jamal earned this
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 12, 2023, 09:36:52 AM
Heat sign Cain to a two way contract.
https://twitter.com/miamiheat/status/1690082334123364352?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Was hoping he'd get a regular deal, but I'm glad he at least got this.
Quote from: MU82 on August 12, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Was hoping he'd get a regular deal, but I'm glad he at least got this.
I am thinking if theDame trade happens, it will get converted. If not, Heat are kinda full. I view this as a way to keep him without having to commit with an unknown roster make up.
August 11, 2023
Dwyane Wade Says Heat Star, Fellow Marquette Alum Jimmy Butler Will Join Him in HOF
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10085874-dwyane-wade-says-heat-star-fellow-marquette-alum-jimmy-butler-will-join-him-in-hof
NBA legend Dwyane Wade will become the first ex-Marquette player to make the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame after being enshrined with the rest of the class of 2023 on Saturday.
However, Wade told reporters at a Friday press conferences that he won't be the last, noting that Jimmy Butler should find his way to Springfield, Massachusetts someday as well.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on August 12, 2023, 05:44:13 PM
August 11, 2023
Dwyane Wade Says Heat Star, Fellow Marquette Alum Jimmy Butler Will Join Him in HOF
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10085874-dwyane-wade-says-heat-star-fellow-marquette-alum-jimmy-butler-will-join-him-in-hof
NBA legend Dwyane Wade will become the first ex-Marquette player to make the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame after being enshrined with the rest of the class of 2023 on Saturday.
However, Wade told reporters at a Friday press conferences that he won't be the last, noting that Jimmy Butler should find his way to Springfield, Massachusetts someday as well.
Without question he will.
How about Doc Rivers... as a coach?
My word...
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1690564403555348481?s=20
https://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/1690501152687763457?t=Aft721jXDZGVqQEWUE2pXw&s=19
Didn't know where else to put this. I don't think Jerel is going to get a call up anytime soon
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2023, 05:40:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/1690501152687763457 ;D?t=Aft721jXDZGVqQEWUE2pXw&s=
Didn't know where else to put this. I don't think Jerel is going to get a call up anytime soon
Southpaw? ;D
This caused me to notice he is coaching at Mean Streets 17U EYBL for next season. Congrats!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 12, 2023, 10:30:07 PM
My word...
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1690564403555348481?s=20
WOW!!!
that was powerful!! "WE'RE in the hall of fame dog" son to dad, there is NOTHING that beats that man! class act is an understatement!
i tell my dad, who's been in a nursing home for the past 5 years, the role he's played within our family, our community and all of those he's touched how valuable he still is. as he sits, a shell of himself, he needs to know that there is a reason he is still with us, no matter how useless he feels. to remind them of their accomplishments...that never gets old...tell them again...and again...and...they earned those
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 12, 2023, 10:30:07 PM
My word...
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1690564403555348481?s=20
Thanks for posting that, Sultan. I admit I got a little tear in my eye watching it.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2023, 05:40:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/1690501152687763457?t=Aft721jXDZGVqQEWUE2pXw&s=19
Didn't know where else to put this. I don't think Jerel is going to get a call up anytime soon
I'm amazed by the number of elite-level basketball players I see (better athletes than I could ever dream of being) that can't throw a baseball. At all. It surprises me every time.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 13, 2023, 08:14:59 AM
I'm amazed by the number of elite-level basketball players I see (better athletes than I could ever dream of being) that can't throw a baseball. At all. It surprises me every time.
Hands are too big
Guys, that's 50 Cent at a Mets game from like 10 years ago. Give Jerel the benefit of the doubt!
https://youtu.be/i-yuxF-C4_8
Quote from: panda on August 13, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
Hands are too big
I don't think that's it. When I've seen it and been surprised, it's the throwing motion that's "off." Also, large hands are typically considered a plus for pitchers.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 13, 2023, 08:55:11 AM
Guys, that's 50 Cent at a Mets game from like 10 years ago. Give Jerel the benefit of the doubt!
Even though that's not Jerel, I stand by my comment. I've seen quite a few elite athletes who aren't baseball players throw out first pitches and am often surprised that they can't throw.
Also, I'm pretty sure Rosiak did not think that was really Jerel. It seems he was teasing Jerel about a different questionable first pitch. (https://twitter.com/jerel_mcneal/status/1690518398004875264?s=20) Looks like Jerel has a good sense of humor about it. Defnitely better than 50 Cent...but still a little rough (https://twitter.com/SoxNerd/status/1690521921316675584?s=20).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 13, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
I don't think that's it. When I've seen it and been surprised, it's the throwing motion that's "off." Also, large hands are typically considered a plus for pitchers.
I think throwing a baseball is like swinging a golf club in that the later in life you first "learn it" the more abnormal it feels. Its a different sort of motion and throwing something much smaller than you are used to.
I played intramural softball with a football player in college. He was lightning quick and covered acres of space in the outfield. But he literally would throw it in underhand or sort of side arm fling it. The hand eye coordination of catch was easy. The throwing just felt weird.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 13, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
I don't think that's it. When I've seen it and been surprised, it's the throwing motion that's "off." Also, large hands are typically considered a plus for pitchers.
Even though that's not Jerel, I stand by my comment. I've seen quite a few elite athletes who aren't baseball players throw out first pitches and am often surprised that they can't throw.
Also, I'm pretty sure Rosiak did not think that was really Jerel. It seems he was teasing Jerel about a different questionable first pitch. (https://twitter.com/jerel_mcneal/status/1690518398004875264?s=20) Looks like Jerel has a good sense of humor about it. Defnitely better than 50 Cent...but still a little rough (https://twitter.com/SoxNerd/status/1690521921316675584?s=20).
Not every tall person is good at basketball...
Quote from: panda on August 13, 2023, 06:14:03 PM
Not every tall person is good at basketball...
Inexcusable
Quote from: panda on August 13, 2023, 06:14:03 PM
Not every tall person is good at basketball...
Very true. But you'll notice in my posts I was much more focused on the elite athleticism than the height. I never even mentioned the "tall" thing. I just always assume - wrongly, I realize - that elite athletes will be good across the spectrum of athletic skills. But a lot of basketball players obviously never spent much time in throwing sports.
Not judging...just saying that it always surprises me.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 13, 2023, 08:06:44 PM
Very true. But you'll notice in my posts I was much more focused on the elite athleticism than the height. I never even mentioned the "tall" thing. I just always assume - wrongly, I realize - that elite athletes will be good across the spectrum of athletic skills. But a lot of basketball players obviously never spent much time in throwing sports.
Not judging...just saying that it always surprises me.
My future wife, a few buddies and I took team sports as an elective at MU, and Rivers was in our class. We were surprised at how bad he was at volleyball.
Now, if he spent any time learning and training for volleyball, I'm pretty sure he would have been darn good. But he didn't ... and he wasn't!
Quote from: MU82 on August 14, 2023, 08:58:50 AM
My future wife, a few buddies and I took team sports as an elective at MU, and Rivers was in our class. We were surprised at how bad he was at volleyball.
Now, if he spent any time learning and training for volleyball, I'm pretty sure he would have been darn good. But he didn't ... and he wasn't!
That's really what it boils down to -- if you focus all your attention and training in one area, it's quite possible that you won't have even basic skills in another area...but it still surprises me. Probably says more about me being a slow learner than about anything else.
Quote from: MU82 on August 14, 2023, 08:58:50 AM
My future wife, a few buddies and I took team sports as an elective at MU, and Rivers was in our class. We were surprised at how bad he was at volleyball.
Now, if he spent any time learning and training for volleyball, I'm pretty sure he would have been darn good. But he didn't ... and he wasn't!
Wish that elective (and I assume the easy A that went with it) was available I'm my day. All we had were Horton Roe music appreciation classes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 14, 2023, 11:15:22 AM
Wish that elective (and I assume the easy A that went with it) was available I'm my day. All we had were Horton Roe music appreciation classes.
Team sports and individual sports were part of the phys ed program and both were taught by Charlie Nader, who was then the golf coach.
I took Individual and Dual Sports taught by Nader. Consisted of tennis, golf, and bowling. Bowled at the Y on 10th and da Ave. Lotsa basketball players in class including #20 and #50 who were both on my bowling team. We sucked major ass, hey?
Oh, you guys got to take 'fun' classes? The 'fun' classes when I was in school were History of Jazz and Acting for Non-majors.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2023, 06:47:33 AM
Oh, you guys got to take 'fun' classes? The 'fun' classes when I was in school were History of Jazz and Acting for Non-majors.
Ahh yes, History of Jazz - I took that last semester of senior year just to get to 12 credits to keep my scholarship. Fun times.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2023, 06:47:33 AM
Oh, you guys got to take 'fun' classes? The 'fun' classes when I was in school were History of Jazz and Acting for Non-majors.
Theory of coaching basketball, taught by Majerus was awesome. I think all the freshmen players were in that one. I am pretty sure that when he explained the game plan against Minnesota, he said if they won and we could show him a ticket stub that we attended, we would get an A. We did and I did and yep, an A.
Philosophy of coaching was decent. Advanced First Aid and CPR was supposed to be fun, but included a human anatomy section that was killer.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 14, 2023, 10:24:26 AM
That's really what it boils down to -- if you focus all your attention and training in one area, it's quite possible that you won't have even basic skills in another area...but it still surprises me. Probably says more about me being a slow learner than about anything else.
Yup, and it's why you should let your kids multisport when younger. Not only is there less chance of burnout, those other sports hone different abilities which will improve your focus sport.
TSmith was on the chess and math teams, plus played a mean flute. Well rounded.
I believe I only had three true electives at MU.
Looks like Nico Mannion is joining Baskonia. Wonder if the Arizona boys ever say hi again to the NBA
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 20, 2023, 04:26:57 PM
TSmith was on the chess and math teams, plus played a mean flute. Well rounded.
Scoop's TSmith (34, Inc.) was on the checkers and arithmetic teams and played the spoons.
pbiflyer
We were possibly in Rick's class together. I loved that class.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 20, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
Scoop's TSmith (34, Inc.) was on the checkers and arithmetic teams and played the spoons.
People wildly underestimate the complexity of mastering the spoons.
Or spoonin', hey?
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 20, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
Looks like Nico Mannion is joining Baskonia. Wonder if the Arizona boys ever say hi again to the NBA
Markus, who knows, look at Mike James and Pat Beverly. But he needs to make one more jump. He's been electric a bunch, but I think he needs to average 20+ in Liga ACB and EuroLeague to have a shot. Which honestly isn't THAT far fetched given numbers he's put up.
Mannion has just been a complete PFFTT. The Virtus Bologna move made sense given his Italian roots and National team play. But whereas Markus went to Europe and tore it up, Mannion was just a guy...only 15-20 min a game and pedestrian stats. He's not even gonna be close to the starting line up at Baskonia
The latest from Ben Steele discussed how Korei Lucious and Bryquis Perinehave organized workouts and games for pro ballers in June & July. Mentions of Kevon Looney, Duane Wilson, Tyler Herro, James Batemon, Dwight Buycks and Alondes Williams etc.
This is where pro basketball players in Milwaukee play pickup games in the summer (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/2023/08/22/kevon-looney-tyler-herro-and-other-milwaukee-pros-play-pickup-games/70648245007/)
Quote from: JWags85 on August 21, 2023, 09:08:16 PM
Markus, who knows, look at Mike James and Pat Beverly. But he needs to make one more jump. He's been electric a bunch, but I think he needs to average 20+ in Liga ACB and EuroLeague to have a shot. Which honestly isn't THAT far fetched given numbers he's put up.
Mannion has just been a complete PFFTT. The Virtus Bologna move made sense given his Italian roots and National team play. But whereas Markus went to Europe and tore it up, Mannion was just a guy...only 15-20 min a game and pedestrian stats. He's not even gonna be close to the starting line up at Baskonia
I'm as big a Markus fan as the next guy, but "tore it up" is a bit of an overstatement. He had a couple "Markus" games but also a lot of meh. Pretty low blk percentage
Quote from: 1SE on August 22, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
I'm as big a Markus fan as the next guy, but "tore it up" is a bit of an overstatement. He had a couple "Markus" games but also a lot of meh. Pretty low blk percentage
He averaged 16+ on 54%/42% shooting splits playing less than 20 min a game as their 6th man. 14+ a game in only 20 mpg in the Euroleague against the best of the non-NBA best. If a rookie did that in the NBA, tore it up would not be out of line. If a rookie scored 28 or more points 5 times in their first 12 games in the NBA, Twitter would be going crazy. Also, mind you, the play 40 min games in Europe, so thats more like 30+
I was looking at the 2K24 ratings. They have different groupings of players. One is by college. They must do it by multiple players as there are only a few colleges listed. I was surprised to see Marquette had as many as UNC and this excludes Juan Toscano-Anderson. I'm not sure what omits they or other schools have but scrolling the list I thought this was impressive especially since there was a time wandering in the desert for MU.
Quote from: Marquette Fan in WI on September 10, 2023, 09:44:46 PM
I was looking at the 2K24 ratings. They have different groupings of players. One is by college. They must do it by multiple players as there are only a few colleges listed.
Wat
https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/2023/09/olivier-maxence-prosper-dallas-mavericks/
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-jason-kidd-dereck-lively-ii-olivier-maxence-prosper-starting-lineup
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2023, 04:38:09 PM
https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/2023/09/olivier-maxence-prosper-dallas-mavericks/
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-jason-kidd-dereck-lively-ii-olivier-maxence-prosper-starting-lineup
Thanks for those, tower.
In the first one, we learn that "Prosper
led the Golden Eagles to the Big East regular-season and tournament titles." And here I thought the BEPOY and BETOP led us, but sure.
In the second, Kidd calls O-Max "NBA ready" and says Prosper will play "a lot" and could even be a Game 1 starter.
Good stuff.
Natasha gets sports center love.
5'8" VS. 6'4"
Natisha Hiedeman got some major hops to block Stewie 😤
https://x.com/sportscenter/status/1706028323158028445?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Omax opening the preseason as a starter
https://twitter.com/sixfivelando/status/1708192456699699432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1708192456699699432%7Ctwgr%5E487a56485254e633b1e2a279aaaeef38f98b3e5c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2305644start%3D1260
Quote from: NickelDimer on October 01, 2023, 09:29:11 AM
Omax opening the preseason as a starter
https://twitter.com/sixfivelando/status/1708192456699699432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1708192456699699432%7Ctwgr%5E487a56485254e633b1e2a279aaaeef38f98b3e5c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2305644start%3D1260
Excellent opportunity for Omax
Jimmy's got a new look
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ZUksfF7XLULsySNLI_HPZg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQxOQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/miami_herald_mcclatchy_975/0c46536b2f04d8ad6d70ac7410bc7ba1)
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/10/02/jimmy-butler-arrives-with-his-emo-look-including-pierced-lips-nose-eyebrow/
Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
Jimmy's got a new look
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ZUksfF7XLULsySNLI_HPZg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQxOQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/miami_herald_mcclatchy_975/0c46536b2f04d8ad6d70ac7410bc7ba1)
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/10/02/jimmy-butler-arrives-with-his-emo-look-including-pierced-lips-nose-eyebrow/
Maybe that'll help him convince someone to help him win a ring
Must be feeling like an Outkast.
Heeyyyy ya....
Wonder if JFB wore that wig while banging bias's old lady....
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 02, 2023, 03:24:46 PM
Wonder if JFB wore that wig while banging bias's old lady....
Probably.
Justin Lewis playing for the Bulls today but I believe we're cheering against him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
Justin Lewis playing for the Bulls today but I believe we're cheering against him
I loved when he didn't get drafted, and really loved when he got hurt.
Payback for having never done a single good thing for Marquette's basketball team -- and, especially, for his bad body language that kept us from winning the 2022 national title.
Ben Steele with a Lewis update:Former Marquette star Justin Lewis finally starting pro career with Bulls after knee injury (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2023/10/08/healthy-justin-lewis-on-two-way-contract-with-chicago-bulls/71111109007/)
Of course Shaka is still involved:
QuoteLewis also got daily encouragement from MU coach Shaka Smart.
"It was a every day thing," Lewis said. "And I would say personally, the things I learned from Shaka sophomore year, it helped me through my injury.
"He had a thing ... you should crave adversity. My thing was I wanted to go through my injury with my head held high. Because the only way I was going to get better is a positive mind-set and a positive attitude."
Smart and Donovan remain tight (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/04/22/marquettes-shaka-smart-worked-bulls-billy-donovan-florida/7394090001/) after Smart spent a season on Donovan's staff at Florida, so it's not surprising that Lewis is a frequent subject when they talk.
"(Lewis) is a great guy," Donovan said. "He's a really, really good worker. I'm obviously very close to Shaka. So I talk a lot to Shaka about him and he's got a lot of admiration for him."
Former Marquette star Justin Lewis finally starting pro career with Bulls after knee injury
Ben Steele, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Sun, Oct 8, 2023, 7:15 PM EDT·4 min read
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-marquette-star-justin-lewis-231543891.html
Good luck, Justin.
OMP off to a slow start for Dallas.
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2023, 02:50:01 PM
I loved when he didn't get drafted, and really loved when he got hurt.
Payback for having never done a single good thing for Marquette's basketball team -- and, especially, for his bad body language that kept us from winning the 2022 national title.
You must of missed the game where Lewis tipped in missed free throw to beat Wisconsin.
Holy missing the sarcasm, batman.
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2023, 07:54:26 AM
Holy missing the sarcasm, batman.
Disagree. Lewis was a Wojo recruit and now that all his recruits are gone, look how good they are
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 08:33:54 AM
Disagree. Lewis was a Wojo recruit and now that all his recruits are gone, look how good they are
Wojo's recruits aren't all gone.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 10, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Wojo's recruits aren't all gone.
Unk meant all the Wojo recruits with bad body language.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 10, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Wojo's recruits aren't all gone.
(https://media.tenor.com/nljsFCjSKBIAAAAC/the-simpsons-thats-the-joke.gif)
It must be particularly satisfying to Rico that he was responding to this:
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2023, 07:54:26 AM
Holy missing the sarcasm, batman.
Jamal with a nice run tonight against Wimby and the spurs. Double double with 22 points and 6-8 from 3 point land in a high profile game.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 13, 2023, 08:10:04 PM
Jamal with a nice run tonight against Wimby and the spurs. Double double with 22 points and 6-8 from 3 point land in a high profile game.
BAM.
Will he make the team?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2023, 10:21:44 PM
BAM.
Will he make the team?
He re-signed another 2-way contract with them in August for the year. So he's already locked into that as a minimum
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2023, 10:21:44 PM
BAM.
Will he make the team?
Bam? I'm sure, but he was talking about Jamal.
So we have:
Jimmy
Jae
Wes
OMax
Jamal 2-Way
Am I missing anyone?
How many rodents are in the league?
Is Johnny Davis still on a roster?
Look it up
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2023, 11:23:00 PM
So we have:
Jimmy
Jae
Wes
OMax
Jamal 2-Way
Am I missing anyone?
How many rodents are in the league?
Is Johnny Davis still on a roster?
Justin Lewis?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2023, 11:23:00 PM
So we have:
Jimmy
Jae
Wes
OMax
Jamal 2-Way
Am I missing anyone?
How many rodents are in the league?
Is Johnny Davis still on a roster?
Juan & Justin
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2023, 11:23:00 PM
So we have:
Jimmy
Jae
Wes
OMax
Jamal 2-Way
Am I missing anyone?
How many rodents are in the league?
Is Johnny Davis still on a roster?
I would count Sam in MU total played 3 years
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 14, 2023, 11:36:06 AM
I would count Sam in MU total played 3 years
Nope. He's a UVA NBA player.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 14, 2023, 11:36:06 AM
I would count Sam in MU total played 3 years
Cool you can award him an honorary degree from Marquette and edit the NBA programs to say "Marquette/Virginia" instead of Virginia. But in the meantime when I started this thread the parameters were people playing/coaching in NBA or GLeague that finished their eligibility with Marquette or graduated from MU. Neither of which he did.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 14, 2023, 12:17:34 PM
Cool you can award him an honorary degree from Marquette and edit the NBA programs to say "Marquette/Virginia" instead of Virginia. But in the meantime when I started this thread the parameters were people playing/coaching in NBA or GLeague that finished their eligibility with Marquette or graduated from MU. Neither of which he did.
Sam Worthen, Washington Generals.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 13, 2023, 08:10:04 PM
Jamal with a nice run tonight against Wimby and the spurs. Double double with 22 points and 6-8 from 3 point land in a high profile game.
That picture of Wemby jumping to contest Jamal's shot is really pretty amazing. I realize it's an exaggerated angle, but still...
https://x.com/bleacherreport/status/1713013552380834292?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 18, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
That picture of Wemby jumping to contest Jamal's shot is really pretty amazing. I realize it's an exaggerated angle, but still...
https://x.com/bleacherreport/status/1713013552380834292?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
Would have been more impressive except for the fact Jamal drained the three......
At the 1:10 mark https://www.nba.com/heat/videos/cain-drains-6-threes-scores-24-points-and-pulls-down-10-boards
And at the 50 second mark where Jamal grabs a rebound and puts it back up while Wemby remained flatfooted.
This is helpful to Jamals cause
https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/erik-spoelstra-gives-high-praise-to-improvement-of-jamal-cains-defense
Omax debut prediction? 12 pts, 4 rebs?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2023, 08:24:11 PM
Omax debut prediction? 12 pts, 4 rebs?
Hopefully more than 5 minutes. But he'll probably play fewer than 10 minutes.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 25, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Hopefully more than 5 minutes.
He doesn't appear to be in their top 9.
Mop up minutes.
Quote from: tower912 on October 25, 2023, 09:13:49 PM
Mop up minutes.
Well, if Dante Exum is getting more mins that's a prob.
Jason Kidd hates Marquette.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 25, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Hopefully more than 5 minutes. But he'll probably play fewer than 10 minutes.
Hopefully not DNP - Coach's Decision
Quote from: MU82 on October 25, 2023, 09:23:22 PM
Jason Kidd hates Marquette.
I've very disappointed with Kidd right now.
He looked good in the huddle yelling "team".
Oso looks like he could do what Lively is doing.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 25, 2023, 10:22:27 PM
Oso looks like he could do what Lively is doing.
Good point. Both of these aren't exactly defensive stalwarts.
I don't recall if this was previously shared?
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jimmy-butler-country-music-miami-heat-nba-morgan-wallen-shakira-damian-lillard-1234836515/
THE LAST WORD
Jimmy Butler Is Ready to Be the Next Big Country Music Star
Miami Heat baller dishes on the dozens of country music songs he's recorded, his friendship with Morgan Wallen, and starting a coffee biz in the Bubble
BY MARLOW STERN
Illustration by Mark Summers
OCT 2, 2023 9:30 AM
FEW PRO ATHLETES have overcome more than Jimmy Butler. Homeless by 13. Unrecruited out of high school. Played ball at a small junior college. Landed at Marquette. Came off the bench till his junior year. Slid to 30th in the draft. Didn't start as a rookie. Spent years banging his head against the wall in Minnesota. Today, he's known as "Jimmy Buckets," one of the best clutch players in the NBA who's guided his Miami Heat to two Finals appearances. He's a six-time All-Star and Olympic gold medalist. Plus, he makes the best damn cup of joe in the league.
The native of Tomball, Texas, is also a massive country music fan who's spent the past several years recording dozens of songs with some of the top country artists. He says he has enough tracks for at least two albums and can't wait to show the country music world what he's made of. Given his track record, you'd be foolish to doubt him.
Butler spoke with Rolling Stone about everything from his country music turn to fatherhood.
[This interview was conducted before the Damian Lillard trade.]
What have been the highlights of your offseason "Unexpected Tour?"
There you go! "The Unexpected Tour" was just of China and being able to go over there and witness the amount of love that I have with the fans there. I have so much love for that country. It's just incredible to know that somebody even knows my name on that side of the world. But the best thing is I've been able to grow my dad skills. I'm getting really good at this dad thing.
What dad skills have you learned?
I'm now teaching my daughter to hit a tennis ball, which is very important in my household. I'm teaching her to compete and never accept losing. I'm getting good at making oatmeal — I can mix some fruit and stuff in there. I got to take my babies to Legoland, and they were going absolutely nuts. And the fans there were going more nuts. My daughter doesn't know I'm quote-unquote "famous," she just doesn't like when I take pictures with strangers. She's like, "Don't talk to strangers!" And I'm like, "That's good — that's exactly what I tell you."
I know you're a big soccer fan. What's it like having Messi in Miami, and did you help recruit him?
I absolutely had no say in Messi coming to Miami. I'm grateful that he's there so the fans and the people get to see one of the greatest football talents of all time. I'm a huge football fan and I hope I get the opportunity to watch a match and witness greatness. I was hoping Neymar would come join him because then I'd be in hog heaven. Hopefully they'll bring a championship in football there, and I know a team that plays basketball there that would love a championship as well.
You could maybe get on the field and kick the ball around with Messi.
No. I like to stay in my lane and don't like when people outdo me in certain things, and I just have this gut feeling that Messi is way better than me at soccer, and I don't want to showcase that.
Jimmy Butler of the Marquette Golden Eagles during the 2010 Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden on March 12, 2010, in New York City. JIM MCISAAC/GETTY IMAGES
A lot of dudes come back from the offseason out of shape. But not you. You stay vigilant.
I love what I do, and I understand why I do what I do — for my family, for my kids — and I love the work. I think that's where it comes from. I've always been like that. I take a little bit of a break and then I think, "Nah... taking a break isn't how you got to where you are now." Being a professional athlete is a blessing and something I do not take for granted.
It was never given to you and you've had to work hard for everything you've achieved. Is that what drives you?
That's definitely it. Now, I don't think about things the same way I used to think about them when I was 18, 23 years old. I'm 33 and understand that you grow, but hard work and dedication to the craft is the key to everything. I love to work, train, and play any other sport I can translate to basketball — soccer with the footwork, tennis with the hand-eye coordination and changing of directions.
So, you never take a beat. You're always studying, working to improve.
Always. There's always room for improvement and always room to be better — in all aspects of life. I'm trying to maximize every single second of every single day and be the best version of myself I can be.
When did you first fall in love with country music?
I fell in love with country music in the fall of 2010. It was my senior year at Marquette, and everyone in the locker room was listening to Lil Wayne and Jay-Z, and I love the hip-hop world and respect that music as well, but I kept telling them to turn the music down. They said, "Worry about what's in your headphones." So, I went home and googled, "What's the most country song?" The first song that came up is "Don't Take the Girl" by Tim McGraw. I downloaded it, went back into the locker room, and started blaring that song over and over again — because it was the only country song that I had — and everyone was going, "Turn that crap down! Ain't nobody want to hear that!" And I went, "Uh-uh. Same thing you told me last time: Worry about what's in your headphones, and I'm going to listen to mine."
Then, I started to listen to the lyrics and learned about more country singers, women and men. So, I went from Tim McGraw to Faith Hill to Brad Paisley to Kenny Chesney to Trisha Yearwood and Garth Brooks. It was an ever-winding road of musical talent. Now, you have country music that's basically like hip hop or R&B. You have Dan + Shay who are singing these incredible notes. Now, in 2023, I'm knee-deep in it and try to see as many concerts as I can.
Jimmy Butler on 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' airing June 1, 2017. RANDY HOLMES/DISNEY GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT CONTENT VIA GETTY IMAGES
You're a fan of Garth Brooks, but are you also into Chris Gaines?
You know... I'm a fan of everybody. I'm just biased because the very first country concert I saw when I became an NBA player was Garth Brooks. When I was in Vegas doing Summer League, he was doing a residency there. I got to see him sing and this was at a point in time where I was trying to learn to play guitar. I was sitting front row and I'm not even listening to the music like I should be. I was just watching his hand movements playing guitar. Afterward, I got to go backstage and meet Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood, but I wasn't really paying attention. I was just looking at his hands, which were so calloused from playing guitar. I said, "So, if I'm going to get as good as you my hands will have to look like that?" We said our goodbyes, I went home, and I never touched a guitar again because I didn't want my hands to look like that. Now I'm on the writing side of country music instead of playing guitar.
I heard that you're writing and recording music with some Nashville artists.
I don't want to tell anyone who I've been writing with because then it'll ruin the surprise. Now, I'm in the lab writing and producing country music. We got some real artists and songwriters. We probably got around 45 tracks right now, and I hope to go write some more. Maybe a week before training camp I'll get down and do some. There's definitely going to be an album. That's the goal. I just don't know when. The date I want to do it always gets pushed back because this other job that I have, playing basketball, kind of overshadows everything. [Laughs] And maybe some of the songs will be down the line for my second or third album. I can't wait to get it to the people.
What's on your pregame music mix?
It just depends on how I'm feeling on any given day. Country music is definitely [there] a bit. I listen to Dermot Kennedy, who's like a brother to me, and then I got into the U.K. hip hop, like Stormzy, Dave, and Central Cee. I listen to some Brazilian funk and I don't understand a single word that's being said, but I like the beat and think I'm Brazilian because my favorite soccer player is Neymar. And you obviously have the pop, R&B, and hip hop.
I read that you're friends with Morgan Wallen and you had his music blasting through the Nuggets arena before Game 1 of the NBA Finals.
Yeah. That is my guy. My birthday is September 14 and he plays a concert on my birthday in Toronto. I've already talked to him and said that I want to come onstage and just sing one line of a song. I mean, I could sing many of his songs, but I just want to sing one line of "'98 Braves." Maybe I'll sing a whole verse!
Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, and DeAndre Jordan flash their gold medals at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games on August 21, 2016, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. GETTY IMAGES
He was embroiled in some controversy when he was caught on video saying the N-word. Did you two talk through that as friends? How did you guys move past that?
Wasn't no controversy for me. I don't even know what happened. I heard about it. I didn't see the video. I didn't look much into it and I'm not going to look much into it. I don't think he's a bad human being in any way, shape or form. He is a friend of mine, and I don't know what happened. Obviously, it was a mistake, I think he learned from it, I think he knows better, and I don't know what was said and in what context, but I think he's an incredible human being who made a mistake.
Your story is incredible. You were out on the street at 13. Do you look back at that young guy and think about how far you've come?
I actually don't think about it. My life is great now. I have wonderful kids and a wonderful family, and I just know how I want them to grow up and I'll give them every tool and everything they need and want to be successful in their lifetime. I focus on the right-now and hope and pray for the future. I don't look too far back. You can get lost doing that. That's a long way to go back, trying to remember each and every turn you took to get back there, so when you turn around to try and get back where you're at, you're stuck being back there. I'm not thinking about going backward.
That being said, what advice would you give other kids stuck in a situation like that?
My advice would be to use whatever you use to motivate you, but I would never tell anybody to prove anyone else wrong. I used to be like that, and to me, it was very spiteful of me. And then I grew up and realized that it wasn't even about proving them wrong, it was about proving myself right, because I knew I could do this the entire time. Prove yourself right. Don't worry about what other people say. The only thing you have to prove is to yourself. Be the best version of you every single moment of every single day.
Most people know your story — unrecruited out of high school, drafted late in the first round of the NBA Draft. Why do you think people keep underestimating you?
People are gonna be people, and it's OK. I don't get mad at 'em for it. I wouldn't pick me either. I would pick the shiny one who's supposed to be there because those are the ones you can normally bank on. It never bugs me. I'm too confident and comfortable in my own skin that nothing really gets to me. I don't watch TV, so I don't hear what anyone ever says about me. I don't read anything on the internet, so I can't read what anyone says about me. Every once in a while, when I'm on Instagram, I can read a comment someone says. But I don't pay attention to that. It actually makes me worse. I would never want to be so caught up in what someone else thinks that I can't even hear my own thoughts or focus on what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm good. I'll just stay in my own head.
Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat reacts late in the fourth quarter during Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden on April 30, 2023, in New York City. ELSA/GETTY IMAGES
You filed a trademark for "HIMMY BUTLER." What do you plan to do with that?
Who knows! Something down the line. Maybe I got a special "Himmy Butler/Himmy Buckets" coffee blend with Big Face, my coffee brand. It's just better safe than sorry, I guess! But there's definitely something there and I'll figure out what it is.
There are rumors that you're dating Shakira. Are they true?
She's an incredible human being and an incredible talent, but you never know what people are doing so people just make stuff up. Just because we are friends, she lives in Miami, and her sons are big basketball fans — that doesn't mean anybody's dating. Just because people hang out doesn't mean anybody's dating. But it gives everybody something to talk about, so y'all take it and y'all run with it. She's very, very cool and that's all I got!
Hips don't lie.
Yeah, you like that? [Laughs]
How did you come up with the idea for Big Face Coffee in the NBA Bubble?
Man, it was another way for me not to take my mind off basketball, but to not make basketball what Jimmy Butler is 24-7. In the Bubble, you didn't have your family or anybody, so I just started ordering all this stuff off Amazon because I wanted coffee and there was no good coffee in the Bubble. I started making my own, and before you know it everyone is sending me all types of beans and machines they use, and that idea was born to start my own coffee brand the way I think coffee should be made, and the way coffee goes with anything and everything if you do it right.
I read that you were charging players $20 a cup but offered no change, which means players who only had hundreds were paying $100 for a cup of your coffee. That is genius.
That's a fact. Everybody was paying a large amount of money for a cup of coffee because during the Covid/pandemic time, there was no cash. Everything in the Bubble was done with wristbands. We would get our per diems and I realized, if I could get people to pay me in twenties, they'd eventually run out of twenties and have to pay me with hundreds, and then they didn't realize that they'd really be paying $100 a cup because I said I didn't have change. But ain't nobody care about paying a hundred dollars for a cup of coffee if I'm makin' it. It's just that good.
Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat exchanges words with Grant Williams of the Boston Celtics during the fourth quarter in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals at TD Garden on May 19, 2023, in Boston, Massachusetts. ADAM GLANZMAN/GETTY IMAGES
How do you take your coffee?
I drink coffee in all different types of ways — cappuccino, latte, flat white. I haven't gotten onboard with the straight espresso shots yet. With iced coffee, you could go coffee with tonic, or I like coffee with sparkling water. I'm always experimenting.
What do you feel your Miami Heat need to do to win it all? Is Dame Lillard the answer?
The thing we need to do to win it all is whenever the Playoffs start, be the first team to win sixteen games. It's literally as simple as that. It doesn't matter what seed you are. If you're healthy, confident, and playing your best basketball at the right time, which is during the Playoffs — and I really hope I'm doing everything in my power to get my squad to sixteen wins.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 27, 2023, 10:37:01 AM
I don't recall if this was previously shared?
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jimmy-butler-country-music-miami-heat-nba-morgan-wallen-shakira-damian-lillard-1234836515/
THE LAST WORD
Jimmy Butler Is Ready to Be the Next Big Country Music Star
Miami Heat baller dishes on the dozens of country music songs he's recorded, his friendship with Morgan Wallen, and starting a coffee biz in the Bubble
BY MARLOW STERN
Illustration by Mark Summers
OCT 2, 2023 9:30 AM
FEW PRO ATHLETES have overcome more than Jimmy Butler. Homeless by 13. Unrecruited out of high school. Played ball at a small junior college. Landed at Marquette. Came off the bench till his junior year. Slid to 30th in the draft. Didn't start as a rookie. Spent years banging his head against the wall in Minnesota. Today, he's known as "Jimmy Buckets," one of the best clutch players in the NBA who's guided his Miami Heat to two Finals appearances. He's a six-time All-Star and Olympic gold medalist. Plus, he makes the best damn cup of joe in the league.
The native of Tomball, Texas, is also a massive country music fan who's spent the past several years recording dozens of songs with some of the top country artists. He says he has enough tracks for at least two albums and can't wait to show the country music world what he's made of. Given his track record, you'd be foolish to doubt him.
Butler spoke with Rolling Stone about everything from his country music turn to fatherhood.
[This interview was conducted before the Damian Lillard trade.]
What have been the highlights of your offseason "Unexpected Tour?"
There you go! "The Unexpected Tour" was just of China and being able to go over there and witness the amount of love that I have with the fans there. I have so much love for that country. It's just incredible to know that somebody even knows my name on that side of the world. But the best thing is I've been able to grow my dad skills. I'm getting really good at this dad thing.
What dad skills have you learned?
I'm now teaching my daughter to hit a tennis ball, which is very important in my household. I'm teaching her to compete and never accept losing. I'm getting good at making oatmeal — I can mix some fruit and stuff in there. I got to take my babies to Legoland, and they were going absolutely nuts. And the fans there were going more nuts. My daughter doesn't know I'm quote-unquote "famous," she just doesn't like when I take pictures with strangers. She's like, "Don't talk to strangers!" And I'm like, "That's good — that's exactly what I tell you."
I know you're a big soccer fan. What's it like having Messi in Miami, and did you help recruit him?
I absolutely had no say in Messi coming to Miami. I'm grateful that he's there so the fans and the people get to see one of the greatest football talents of all time. I'm a huge football fan and I hope I get the opportunity to watch a match and witness greatness. I was hoping Neymar would come join him because then I'd be in hog heaven. Hopefully they'll bring a championship in football there, and I know a team that plays basketball there that would love a championship as well.
You could maybe get on the field and kick the ball around with Messi.
No. I like to stay in my lane and don't like when people outdo me in certain things, and I just have this gut feeling that Messi is way better than me at soccer, and I don't want to showcase that.
Jimmy Butler of the Marquette Golden Eagles during the 2010 Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden on March 12, 2010, in New York City. JIM MCISAAC/GETTY IMAGES
A lot of dudes come back from the offseason out of shape. But not you. You stay vigilant.
I love what I do, and I understand why I do what I do — for my family, for my kids — and I love the work. I think that's where it comes from. I've always been like that. I take a little bit of a break and then I think, "Nah... taking a break isn't how you got to where you are now." Being a professional athlete is a blessing and something I do not take for granted.
It was never given to you and you've had to work hard for everything you've achieved. Is that what drives you?
That's definitely it. Now, I don't think about things the same way I used to think about them when I was 18, 23 years old. I'm 33 and understand that you grow, but hard work and dedication to the craft is the key to everything. I love to work, train, and play any other sport I can translate to basketball — soccer with the footwork, tennis with the hand-eye coordination and changing of directions.
So, you never take a beat. You're always studying, working to improve.
Always. There's always room for improvement and always room to be better — in all aspects of life. I'm trying to maximize every single second of every single day and be the best version of myself I can be.
When did you first fall in love with country music?
I fell in love with country music in the fall of 2010. It was my senior year at Marquette, and everyone in the locker room was listening to Lil Wayne and Jay-Z, and I love the hip-hop world and respect that music as well, but I kept telling them to turn the music down. They said, "Worry about what's in your headphones." So, I went home and googled, "What's the most country song?" The first song that came up is "Don't Take the Girl" by Tim McGraw. I downloaded it, went back into the locker room, and started blaring that song over and over again — because it was the only country song that I had — and everyone was going, "Turn that crap down! Ain't nobody want to hear that!" And I went, "Uh-uh. Same thing you told me last time: Worry about what's in your headphones, and I'm going to listen to mine."
Then, I started to listen to the lyrics and learned about more country singers, women and men. So, I went from Tim McGraw to Faith Hill to Brad Paisley to Kenny Chesney to Trisha Yearwood and Garth Brooks. It was an ever-winding road of musical talent. Now, you have country music that's basically like hip hop or R&B. You have Dan + Shay who are singing these incredible notes. Now, in 2023, I'm knee-deep in it and try to see as many concerts as I can.
Jimmy Butler on 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' airing June 1, 2017. RANDY HOLMES/DISNEY GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT CONTENT VIA GETTY IMAGES
You're a fan of Garth Brooks, but are you also into Chris Gaines?
You know... I'm a fan of everybody. I'm just biased because the very first country concert I saw when I became an NBA player was Garth Brooks. When I was in Vegas doing Summer League, he was doing a residency there. I got to see him sing and this was at a point in time where I was trying to learn to play guitar. I was sitting front row and I'm not even listening to the music like I should be. I was just watching his hand movements playing guitar. Afterward, I got to go backstage and meet Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood, but I wasn't really paying attention. I was just looking at his hands, which were so calloused from playing guitar. I said, "So, if I'm going to get as good as you my hands will have to look like that?" We said our goodbyes, I went home, and I never touched a guitar again because I didn't want my hands to look like that. Now I'm on the writing side of country music instead of playing guitar.
I heard that you're writing and recording music with some Nashville artists.
I don't want to tell anyone who I've been writing with because then it'll ruin the surprise. Now, I'm in the lab writing and producing country music. We got some real artists and songwriters. We probably got around 45 tracks right now, and I hope to go write some more. Maybe a week before training camp I'll get down and do some. There's definitely going to be an album. That's the goal. I just don't know when. The date I want to do it always gets pushed back because this other job that I have, playing basketball, kind of overshadows everything. [Laughs] And maybe some of the songs will be down the line for my second or third album. I can't wait to get it to the people.
What's on your pregame music mix?
It just depends on how I'm feeling on any given day. Country music is definitely [there] a bit. I listen to Dermot Kennedy, who's like a brother to me, and then I got into the U.K. hip hop, like Stormzy, Dave, and Central Cee. I listen to some Brazilian funk and I don't understand a single word that's being said, but I like the beat and think I'm Brazilian because my favorite soccer player is Neymar. And you obviously have the pop, R&B, and hip hop.
I read that you're friends with Morgan Wallen and you had his music blasting through the Nuggets arena before Game 1 of the NBA Finals.
Yeah. That is my guy. My birthday is September 14 and he plays a concert on my birthday in Toronto. I've already talked to him and said that I want to come onstage and just sing one line of a song. I mean, I could sing many of his songs, but I just want to sing one line of "'98 Braves." Maybe I'll sing a whole verse!
Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, and DeAndre Jordan flash their gold medals at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games on August 21, 2016, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. GETTY IMAGES
He was embroiled in some controversy when he was caught on video saying the N-word. Did you two talk through that as friends? How did you guys move past that?
Wasn't no controversy for me. I don't even know what happened. I heard about it. I didn't see the video. I didn't look much into it and I'm not going to look much into it. I don't think he's a bad human being in any way, shape or form. He is a friend of mine, and I don't know what happened. Obviously, it was a mistake, I think he learned from it, I think he knows better, and I don't know what was said and in what context, but I think he's an incredible human being who made a mistake.
Your story is incredible. You were out on the street at 13. Do you look back at that young guy and think about how far you've come?
I actually don't think about it. My life is great now. I have wonderful kids and a wonderful family, and I just know how I want them to grow up and I'll give them every tool and everything they need and want to be successful in their lifetime. I focus on the right-now and hope and pray for the future. I don't look too far back. You can get lost doing that. That's a long way to go back, trying to remember each and every turn you took to get back there, so when you turn around to try and get back where you're at, you're stuck being back there. I'm not thinking about going backward.
That being said, what advice would you give other kids stuck in a situation like that?
My advice would be to use whatever you use to motivate you, but I would never tell anybody to prove anyone else wrong. I used to be like that, and to me, it was very spiteful of me. And then I grew up and realized that it wasn't even about proving them wrong, it was about proving myself right, because I knew I could do this the entire time. Prove yourself right. Don't worry about what other people say. The only thing you have to prove is to yourself. Be the best version of you every single moment of every single day.
Most people know your story — unrecruited out of high school, drafted late in the first round of the NBA Draft. Why do you think people keep underestimating you?
People are gonna be people, and it's OK. I don't get mad at 'em for it. I wouldn't pick me either. I would pick the shiny one who's supposed to be there because those are the ones you can normally bank on. It never bugs me. I'm too confident and comfortable in my own skin that nothing really gets to me. I don't watch TV, so I don't hear what anyone ever says about me. I don't read anything on the internet, so I can't read what anyone says about me. Every once in a while, when I'm on Instagram, I can read a comment someone says. But I don't pay attention to that. It actually makes me worse. I would never want to be so caught up in what someone else thinks that I can't even hear my own thoughts or focus on what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm good. I'll just stay in my own head.
Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat reacts late in the fourth quarter during Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden on April 30, 2023, in New York City. ELSA/GETTY IMAGES
You filed a trademark for "HIMMY BUTLER." What do you plan to do with that?
Who knows! Something down the line. Maybe I got a special "Himmy Butler/Himmy Buckets" coffee blend with Big Face, my coffee brand. It's just better safe than sorry, I guess! But there's definitely something there and I'll figure out what it is.
There are rumors that you're dating Shakira. Are they true?
She's an incredible human being and an incredible talent, but you never know what people are doing so people just make stuff up. Just because we are friends, she lives in Miami, and her sons are big basketball fans — that doesn't mean anybody's dating. Just because people hang out doesn't mean anybody's dating. But it gives everybody something to talk about, so y'all take it and y'all run with it. She's very, very cool and that's all I got!
Hips don't lie.
Yeah, you like that? [Laughs]
How did you come up with the idea for Big Face Coffee in the NBA Bubble?
Man, it was another way for me not to take my mind off basketball, but to not make basketball what Jimmy Butler is 24-7. In the Bubble, you didn't have your family or anybody, so I just started ordering all this stuff off Amazon because I wanted coffee and there was no good coffee in the Bubble. I started making my own, and before you know it everyone is sending me all types of beans and machines they use, and that idea was born to start my own coffee brand the way I think coffee should be made, and the way coffee goes with anything and everything if you do it right.
I read that you were charging players $20 a cup but offered no change, which means players who only had hundreds were paying $100 for a cup of your coffee. That is genius.
That's a fact. Everybody was paying a large amount of money for a cup of coffee because during the Covid/pandemic time, there was no cash. Everything in the Bubble was done with wristbands. We would get our per diems and I realized, if I could get people to pay me in twenties, they'd eventually run out of twenties and have to pay me with hundreds, and then they didn't realize that they'd really be paying $100 a cup because I said I didn't have change. But ain't nobody care about paying a hundred dollars for a cup of coffee if I'm makin' it. It's just that good.
Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat exchanges words with Grant Williams of the Boston Celtics during the fourth quarter in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals at TD Garden on May 19, 2023, in Boston, Massachusetts. ADAM GLANZMAN/GETTY IMAGES
How do you take your coffee?
I drink coffee in all different types of ways — cappuccino, latte, flat white. I haven't gotten onboard with the straight espresso shots yet. With iced coffee, you could go coffee with tonic, or I like coffee with sparkling water. I'm always experimenting.
What do you feel your Miami Heat need to do to win it all? Is Dame Lillard the answer?
The thing we need to do to win it all is whenever the Playoffs start, be the first team to win sixteen games. It's literally as simple as that. It doesn't matter what seed you are. If you're healthy, confident, and playing your best basketball at the right time, which is during the Playoffs — and I really hope I'm doing everything in my power to get my squad to sixteen wins.
Thanks for sharing. JFB could be the next Big Country Star
Jae out for two months
https://africa.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38892470/bucks-jae-crowder-sidelined-two-months-injury?platform=amp
The Athletic's take:
Bucks forward Jae Crowder will miss about eight weeks after undergoing groin surgery yesterday, the team announced. It's a huge loss for a team that's struggled since trading for Damian Lillard and, as Eric Nehm points out, Crowder had been a rare bright spot thus far.
Somethin' 'bout a huge loss after groin surgery dat few of us kan relate two, aina?
Omax had 6 pts tonight in garbage mins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 14, 2023, 09:55:04 PM
Omax had 6 pts tonight in garbage mins.
More points than Jop had in all of his garbage minutes
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 14, 2023, 09:55:04 PM
Omax had 6 pts tonight in garbage mins.
Omax collecting a pretty penny to pick up the garbage.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 14, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
More points than Jop had in all of his garbage minutes
We need Jop. But I understand being frustrated by his play this evening.
Jamal dropped 38 in the G league tonight. Crazy to think what Shaka would have done with a kid as talented as Jamal. Total waste by Wojo.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 15, 2023, 12:00:23 AM
Jamal dropped 38 in the G league tonight. Crazy to think what Shaka would have done with a kid as talented as Jamal. Total waste by Wojo.
Agreed. Wojo's love affair with Joey hurt Jamal's development.
And good for OMax. The journey of a thousand miles and all that.
Jimmy calling his shot.
https://x.com/ryan_cortes/status/1726778812774449587?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Awesome! JFB is hilarious
Jimmy flew private from Chicago to Oshkosh to watch some of his teammates play the Herd on his off day yesterday 😅😅😂
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1726647308824215790?t=LVIKyJqHql43QwUfh54haQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 20, 2023, 08:53:09 PM
Jimmy flew private from Chicago to Oshkosh to watch some of his teammates play the Herd on his off day yesterday 😅😅😂
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1726647308824215790?t=LVIKyJqHql43QwUfh54haQ&s=19
Cool of the Herd to pick him up too.
Omax getting some great run tonight
8 pts in 16 minutes on 3/5, 2/4 from 3 and 4 boards 2 assists.
Good for OMax.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 11, 2023, 09:03:45 PM
Omax getting some great run tonight
8 pts in 16 minutes on 3/5, 2/4 from 3 and 4 boards 2 assists.
How many blocks?
Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2023, 09:47:29 PM
How many blocks?
1. 11, 4, and 2. 4-7, 3-6 from distance.
Nice. Thanks, Muggs.
Has he fallen down 7 times and gotten up 8 though?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 11, 2023, 09:03:45 PM
Omax getting some great run tonight
8 pts in 16 minutes on 3/5, 2/4 from 3 and 4 boards 2 assists.
This is fantastic. I wasn't sure he had what it took, but I definitely root for him. Good human that one
NM
OMax snuck into the NYT, top of the sports 'page' today
(https://i.imgur.com/r4zsSPc.png)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 12, 2023, 01:22:39 PM
OMax snuck into the NYT, top of the sports 'page' today
(https://i.imgur.com/r4zsSPc.png)
I would be 100% for the Mavs moving to Vegas. Glow Jr's GF's dad is an in-house attorney for Sands. I will have to ask him if that's in the works.
jamaal getting some real nice PT at miami-what kind of contract do they have him signed to?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2023, 08:06:58 AM
jamaal getting some real nice PT at miami-what kind of contract do they have him signed to?
Played in six games so far.
Signed a two way contract. 560K this year.
Looks like Juan is getting another shot at the Show: https://x.com/wojespn/status/1735442011329581209?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
I hope Jamal and every MU players hits the jackpot. Good for him.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on December 14, 2023, 05:34:52 PM
Looks like Juan is getting another shot at the Show: https://x.com/wojespn/status/1735442011329581209?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Excellent news
Mavs will stay in Dallas, Texas is opening casinos and the Mavs will be part of it. Adelson and Cuban will do ridiculously well.
Omax with his best game as a pro getting a lot of minutes as the Mavs were boat raced without Luka and Kyrie.
30 min. 20 pts 6 rebounds(zero blocks though) on 6/13 and 7/9 from the line
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 22, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Omax with his best game as a pro getting a lot of minutes as the Mavs were boat raced without Luka and Kyrie.
30 min. 20 pts 6 rebounds(zero blocks though) on 6/13 and 7/9 from the line
FANTASTIC!
Good for Omax.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 22, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Omax with his best game as a pro getting a lot of minutes as the Mavs were boat raced without Luka and Kyrie.
30 min. 20 pts 6 rebounds(zero blocks though) on 6/13 and 7/9 from the line
Excellent News . Proud to see him representing MU so well
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 10:22:25 AM
Excellent News . Proud to see him representing MU so well
Not me
No surprise.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 22, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Omax with his best game as a pro getting a lot of minutes as the Mavs were boat raced without Luka and Kyrie.
30 min. 20 pts 6 rebounds(zero blocks though) on 6/13 and 7/9 from the line
He definitely had a block. Weird if he wasn't credited with one. But no matta.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 24, 2023, 11:14:38 PM
He definitely had a block. Weird if he wasn't credited with one. But no matta.
No block. He's had 1 in his career
Why does Jason Kidd hate OMax? No way Derrick Jones Jr. is better in practice or the games.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on December 25, 2023, 11:13:44 PM
Why does Jason Kidd hate OMax? No way Derrick Jones Jr. is better in practice or the games.
Because he hates MU
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 25, 2023, 11:58:28 PM
Because he hates MU
Used to play pick up with J Kidd's agent in the east bay. Would torch him while wearing my MU gear. Probably had a lasting effect.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 25, 2023, 12:59:54 AM
No block. He's had 1 in his career
I am 10000% certain he had a block. I watched the game. I'm not sure why it wasn't credited.
Stat keepers make mistakes sometimes. For example, Oso wasn't credited with an assist on this play at the 0:45 mark against PC despite it being a pretty clear DHO assist. I know he wasn't credited because I bet on him to get 2+ assists and it cost me $.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhmr2HE6TA
Quote from: BM1090 on December 26, 2023, 12:27:16 PM
I am 10000% certain he had a block. I watched the game. I'm not sure why it wasn't credited.
Stat keepers make mistakes sometimes. For example, Oso wasn't credited with an assist on this play at the 0:45 mark against PC despite it being a pretty clear DHO assist. I know he wasn't credited because I bet on him to get 2+ assists and it cost me $.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhmr2HE6TA
Had the same Oso bet. Fml
Jamal Cain career high 18 pts in a win over the Warriors. He's getting there
Great job by Cain. While I was a not a fan of him early on at MU, there was never a doubt that he was a first-class athlete. I hope he has a long NBA career.
Love it. One of my favorite MU players.
Quote from: Goose on December 29, 2023, 06:51:58 AM
Great job by Cain. While I was a not a fan of him early on at MU, there was never a doubt that he was a first-class athlete. I hope he has a long NBA career.
Jamal is a really good young guy. Always well liked by his teammates . So happy for his success.
Jamal made dribbling an adventure early in his career. How he played in the NIT game at the AL gave me hope for his sophomore year. I foresaw a team with 4 versatile forwards. Maybe Wojo would run three forward sets, switching more effectively with size and versatility, de-emphasizing having a true post in there in certain sets, running some 5 out action.
Anyway....
I thought the way Jamal got buried so Joey and Sam could both play 30 was a tactical error. It worked for a while, but everybody was worn out down the stretch. I am happy for Mr. Cain.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
Jamal made dribbling an adventure early in his career. How he played in the NIT game at the AL gave me hope for his sophomore year. I foresaw a team with 4 versatile forwards. Maybe Wojo would run three forward sets, switching more effectively with size and versatility, de-emphasizing having a true post in there in certain sets, running some 5 out action.
Anyway....
I thought the way Jamal got buried so Joey and Sam could both play 30 was a tactical error. It worked for a while, but everybody was worn out down the stretch. I am happy for Mr. Cain.
Let's not forget he was also buried behind "all timer" Bailey.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
Jamal made dribbling an adventure early in his career. How he played in the NIT game at the AL gave me hope for his sophomore year. I foresaw a team with 4 versatile forwards. Maybe Wojo would run three forward sets, switching more effectively with size and versatility, de-emphasizing having a true post in there in certain sets, running some 5 out action.
Anyway....
I thought the way Jamal got buried so Joey and Sam could both play 30 was a tactical error. It worked for a while, but everybody was worn out down the stretch. I am happy for Mr. Cain.
I believe when he left, the phrase used was, "don't let the door hit yeah, where the lord split yeah"
I wished him well. He had spent 4 years at MU and there was a coaching change. Good for the young man thriving.
jamal looking really good. going to have to start filling out the fanduel with him especially watching the injury reports on jimmy and caleb. looks like he's leap frogged haywood highsmith
i think jamal is going to get signed by miami or someone to a long term deal...just wish they would switch his college from oakland to marquette. same for sammy
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 29, 2023, 08:41:09 AM
jamal looking really good. going to have to start filling out the fanduel with him especially watching the injury reports on jimmy and caleb. looks like he's leap frogged haywood highsmith
i think jamal is going to get signed by miami or someone to a long term deal...just wish they would switch his college from oakland to marquette. same for sammy
Jamal actually graduated from MU, if he has an office a degree from MU would be on the wall and like many of us he went to grad school elsewhere. It's reasonable to have Marquette be the listed school.
Can't say the same about Sam. He's no different than any forgettable classmate your first couple years that decided MU wasn't for them and dipped off to a State school. His Degree is from UVA, he spent 2/5 of his college career there.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 29, 2023, 08:21:01 AM
Let's not forget he was also buried behind "all timer" Bailey.
I've seen a couple references to this but I don't remember the origin of the quote. Were some Scoopers actually saying Bailey was an "all timer"?
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2023, 11:54:27 AM
I've seen a couple references to this but I don't remember the origin of the quote. Were some Scoopers actually saying Bailey was an "all timer"?
Chicos claimed Bailey would finish his career being a Marquette all timer. Pretty sure it was after the Hausers left and he said we'd be fine
Quote from: swoopem on December 29, 2023, 12:27:32 PM
Chicos claimed Bailey would finish his career being a Marquette all timer. Pretty sure it was after the Hausers left and he said we'd be fine
Well, that's an all-timer example of "consider the source."
Just wait till the other shoe falls!
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2023, 03:28:33 PM
Well, that's an all-timer example of "consider the source."
Just wait till the other shoe falls!
Five, 6, 7, 8, no 9 years to judge.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2023, 11:16:00 AM
Jamal actually graduated from MU, if he has an office a degree from MU would be on the wall and like many of us he went to grad school elsewhere. It's reasonable to have Marquette be the listed school.
Can't say the same about Sam. He's no different than any forgettable classmate your first couple years that decided MU wasn't for them and dipped off to a State school. His Degree is from UVA, he spent 2/5 of his college career there.
I've heard it said that UVA is
kind of a good school.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
Jamal made dribbling an adventure early in his career. How he played in the NIT game at the AL gave me hope for his sophomore year. I foresaw a team with 4 versatile forwards. Maybe Wojo would run three forward sets, switching more effectively with size and versatility, de-emphasizing having a true post in there in certain sets, running some 5 out action.
Anyway....
I thought the way Jamal got buried so Joey and Sam could both play 30 was a tactical error. It worked for a while, but everybody was worn out down the stretch. I am happy for Mr. Cain.
Jamal had two things that you can't teach and that separate the greats...athleticism and attitude. Jamal is an incredible human, big fan.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
Jamal made dribbling an adventure early in his career. How he played in the NIT game at the AL gave me hope for his sophomore year. I foresaw a team with 4 versatile forwards. Maybe Wojo would run three forward sets, switching more effectively with size and versatility, de-emphasizing having a true post in there in certain sets, running some 5 out action.
Anyway....
I thought the way Jamal got buried so Joey and Sam could both play 30 was a tactical error. It worked for a while, but everybody was worn out down the stretch. I am happy for Mr. Cain.
Sam was a stud who deserved 30 minutes. Wojo promised minutes to Bailey and Joey. Jamal was odd man out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2023, 06:19:09 PM
Sam was a stud who deserved 30 minutes. Wojo promised minutes to Bailey and Joey. Jamal was odd man out.
At least he didn't break his promises, hey?
Sam was a stud. Playing 30+ a game on a surgically repaired hip. Another one who was worn down by the end of the year.
Dave and Stephanie had no problem with Sam or Joey's minutes at MU. They had a problem with who got the shot attempts.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 29, 2023, 05:27:16 PM
Jamal had two things that you can't teach and that separate the greats...athleticism and attitude. Jamal is an incredible human, big fan.
Love this tweet about him.
https://x.com/5reasonssports/status/1740612484132942009?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 29, 2023, 10:08:01 PM
Love this tweet about him.
https://x.com/5reasonssports/status/1740612484132942009?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Jamal Cain is one of the few players to suit up for MU who was harmed in his career aspirations as a result. Glad to see him have success. He was seemingly a great kid and teammate whom the staff never gave a fair shake.
Quote from: JustinLewisFanClubPres on December 29, 2023, 10:11:39 PM
Jamal Cain is one of the few players to suit up for MU who was harmed in his career aspirations as a result. Glad to see him have success. He was seemingly a great kid and teammate whom the staff never gave a fair shake.
Absolutely agree here! I could see the way Jamal moved about the floor and his athleticism that stood out. All screaming "put me in coach". Me wonders if he didn't "toe the wojo line" but another part of me thinks it was just another one of the many bad decisions wojo made that led to his dismal showing almost like he allowed personal chit get in way of making sound basketball decisions
Quote from: withoutbias on December 29, 2023, 08:07:58 PM
Dave and Stephanie had no problem with Sam or Joey's minutes at MU. They had a problem with who got the shot attempts.
Sam averaged a whopping 0.6 more FGA per game at UVa than he had his last year at Marquette. Joey averaged 0.1 more FGA per game in his first season at MSU and 1.7
fewer FGA per game in his second season at MSU.
So if daddy and mommy mostly wanted their boys to leave MU so they'd be able to pile up big-time shot attempts ... it wasn't exactly mission accomplished.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 29, 2023, 10:08:01 PM
Love this tweet about him.
https://x.com/5reasonssports/status/1740612484132942009?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
0 Blk%, will never make it
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 30, 2023, 09:57:17 AM
0 Blk%, will never make it
Actually had several years w solid blk%. Translated well to nba
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 29, 2023, 04:47:17 PM
I've heard it said that UVA is kind of a good school.
Oh yeah if anyone at MU was anything other than a PT major itd make sense to jump for the academic prestige.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 30, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
Actually had several years w solid blk%. Translated well to nba
Not in that game, therefore should have been benched
Not all that surprising, but Pat Riley announced at halftime of the Heat game that Dwyane Wade will be getting a statue outside the arena in Miami.
Wade is in Miami now being elected into their Hall of Fame and is supposedly going to be in attendance tomorrow afternoon in Milwaukee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsJY7EUv_Dw
Discussion of TKo's NBA prospects.
Texas Legends' cager OMax prosper logged 2 blocks in 219 mins w the big club this season, but has amassed 4 over 254 mins in g league play
Quote from: JustinLewisFanClubPres on December 29, 2023, 10:11:39 PM
Jamal Cain is one of the few players to suit up for MU who was harmed in his career aspirations as a result. Glad to see him have success. He was seemingly a great kid and teammate whom the staff never gave a fair shake.
Very Happy for the guy Loved his athleticism at MU
Congrats to DJ Carton for getting his first regular season NBA opportunity, getting a 10 day contract with the Toronto Raptors:
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1760320796755431741?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
I think Carton would have fit Shaka's system well. But he definitely would have been gone after 1 year, he almost surely wouldn't have helped the 2022 team have a long NCAAT run, and his presence might have slowed Kolek's development ... so no real loss from an MU perspective.
I wish him well.
Yup. Congratulations to DJ and good luck.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on February 21, 2024, 09:19:08 AM
Congrats to DJ Carton for getting his first regular season NBA opportunity, getting a 10 day contract with the Toronto Raptors:
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1760320796755431741?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Fantastic News. Congrats DJ. Hopefully he makes a few of his signature Dunks.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on February 21, 2024, 09:19:08 AM
Congrats to DJ Carton for getting his first regular season NBA opportunity, getting a 10 day contract with the Toronto Raptors:
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1760320796755431741?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Been waiting for this, I think he is such a good player. Hope he sticks.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on February 21, 2024, 09:19:08 AM
Congrats to DJ Carton for getting his first regular season NBA opportunity, getting a 10 day contract with the Toronto Raptors:
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1760320796755431741?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Another Wojo player in The League!
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 21, 2024, 03:19:31 PM
Been waiting for this, I think he is such a good player. Hope he sticks.
I really liked watching him play. I hope he has a good career.
I loved the fake-handoff-drive-baseline-for-dunk play. Pulled it off numerous times, and it was exciting every time. He also was capable of ugly turnovers and bricked 3s, but I think he'd have been a good all-around college player under better coaching.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2024, 03:25:15 PM
I loved the fake-handoff-drive-baseline-for-dunk play. Pulled it off numerous times, and it was exciting every time. He also was capable of ugly turnovers and bricked 3s, but I think he'd have been a good all-around college player under better coaching.
You're not casting asparagus at Wojo, are you? (or maybe it is a different word, but asparagus sounds right to me).
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 21, 2024, 03:28:56 PM
You're not casting asparagus at Wojo, are you? (or maybe it is a different word, but asparagus sounds right to me).
Asparagus for sure.
I'm not sure this was posted here, but it was clear that Carton really appreciated Wojo for helping him through some of his mental health issues.
Here is a three-part series that a Quad Cities (where he is from) television station did on how he dealt with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBxqLtTtg2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Ong9DjTqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9N3NQtmlRs
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2024, 03:21:53 PM
Another Wojo player in The League!
Absolutely. Guy could recruit talent.
Unfortunately, his entire sum of his coaching acumen was yelling, "COMPETE! COMPETE! COMPETE!"
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 03:42:52 PM
I'm not sure this was posted here, but it was clear that Carton really appreciated Wojo for helping him through some of his mental health issues.
Here is a three-part series that a Quad Cities (where he is from) television station did on how he dealt with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBxqLtTtg2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Ong9DjTqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9N3NQtmlRs
Thanks for sharing. Hard not to root for that kid. Would have loved to see what Shaka would have done with him.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 21, 2024, 04:21:59 PM
Absolutely. Guy could recruit talent.
Unfortunately, his entire sum of his coaching acumen was yelling, "COMPETE! COMPETE! COMPETE!"
You forgot "PLAY HARDER!"
Seriously...kudos to Wojo for helping Carton with his mental health issues.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on February 21, 2024, 09:19:08 AM
Congrats to DJ Carton for getting his first regular season NBA opportunity, getting a 10 day contract with the Toronto Raptors:
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1760320796755431741?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Another Projo, COLE
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(https://media1.tenor.com/images/dcc7a1ff5c23839d85c6616c085769fc/tenor.gif?itemid=3400704)
Aspersions
Aspergers
Persians
And DJ gets his first NBA points in some garbage time minutes for the raptors. And one layup plus the free throw, 1-1 FG for 3 points and a rebound in 4 minutes.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on February 22, 2024, 08:31:17 PM
And DJ gets his first NBA points in some garbage time minutes for the raptors. And one layup plus the free throw, 1-1 FG for 3 points and a rebound in 4 minutes.
Only Marquette alum in NBA history with a 1.000 FG% and/or a 1.000 FT%!
OMax looks clearly too good for the GLeague.
He looks awesome. Big, fast, strong.
https://twitter.com/TexasLegends/status/1764154996675760349?t=KpDSV_Tq5d3_PtqLBCM1fw&s=19
2 BLOCKS???????
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 03, 2024, 03:30:40 PM
2 BLOCKS???????
It's Lent. He's repenting for his umm...disappointing block rate at Marquette and showing that he really
can do it!
Jamal Cain went off for 39 and 13 playing for the Skyforce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgq0sUwsto
Congrats to DJ Carton . Signed a two-way contract with Raptors. Worked hard to improve his overall game.
https://www.nba.com/raptors/news/raptors-sign-carton-to-two-way-contract
Solid shooting last night from Sam Hauser, 1/18 (1/13 from 3)
Shooter! 😉
Quote from: Viper on April 06, 2024, 10:05:13 AM
Solid shooting last night from Sam Hauser, 1/18 (1/13 from 3)
Shooter! 😉
Yup, he's all the way down to a dreadful 45.1% 3PT% this NBA season.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on April 06, 2024, 11:45:25 AM
Yup, he's all the way down to a dreadful 45.1% 3PT% this NBA season.
whatever, dude. Roll with it...1/18. 1 for freaking 18. Have some fun with it, if you can.
ONE...FOR EIGHTEEN!!
OMAX!!!!! 4pts in 27 secs!!
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 10, 2024, 08:53:20 PM
OMAX!!!!! 4pts in 27 secs!!
a current day 'microwave' Vinnie Johnson!!
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1778956667079495971?t=vP96lWf-cAjWtKABRIDv8w&s=19
Omax still landing on his butt in the Association
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2024, 02:07:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1778956667079495971?t=vP96lWf-cAjWtKABRIDv8w&s=19
Omax still landing on his butt in the Association
Heh
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2024, 02:07:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1778956667079495971?t=vP96lWf-cAjWtKABRIDv8w&s=19
Omax still landing on his butt in the Association
Still just 21. Nice game last night. Even got a block!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2024, 02:07:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1778956667079495971?t=vP96lWf-cAjWtKABRIDv8w&s=19
Omax still landing on his butt in the Association
If it was good enough for DWade, it's good enough for OMax.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2024, 02:07:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1778956667079495971?t=vP96lWf-cAjWtKABRIDv8w&s=19
Omax still landing on his butt in the Association
We can't get a foul call even on the next level!
OMax finishing well in the season's garbage time.
Quote from: tower912 on April 16, 2024, 08:06:04 PM
OMax finishing well in the season's garbage time.
I'm still surprised how physically imposing he looks on a court full of NBA players. Probably took that for granted at Marquette.
OMax was ruled out for most of the Clippers series due to an ankle sprain. Yeah, I know.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2024, 06:46:29 AM
OMax was ruled out for most of the Clippers series due to an ankle sprain. Yeah, I know.
Should have come back to college
From The Athletic:
Miami Heat president Pat Riley — while maintaining he does not want to trade his franchise superstar — admonished Jimmy Butler yesterday, after Butler was seen in a video saying both the Celtics and Knicks would be "home" if he'd been healthy enough to play. "If you're not on the court playing against Boston, if you're not on the court playing against the New York Knicks," Riley said, "you should keep your mouth shut in your criticism of those teams."
Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2024, 07:43:14 AM
From The Athletic:
Miami Heat president Pat Riley — while maintaining he does not want to trade his franchise superstar — admonished Jimmy Butler yesterday, after Butler was seen in a video saying both the Celtics and Knicks would be "home" if he'd been healthy enough to play. "If you're not on the court playing against Boston, if you're not on the court playing against the New York Knicks," Riley said, "you should keep your mouth shut in your criticism of those teams."
Extension chess game.
Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2024, 07:43:14 AM
From The Athletic:
Miami Heat president Pat Riley — while maintaining he does not want to trade his franchise superstar — admonished Jimmy Butler yesterday, after Butler was seen in a video saying both the Celtics and Knicks would be "home" if he'd been healthy enough to play. "If you're not on the court playing against Boston, if you're not on the court playing against the New York Knicks," Riley said, "you should keep your mouth shut in your criticism of those teams."
Riley is 100% correct.
I don't think there is an easy fix here for the Heat. They've done a good job locking up their own but it feels like a number of their players are overpaid, and they are getting a little old.
They may need to look at doing something with Butler or Herro this off-season, but I don't know if their 80 year old GM wants to think about a rebuild.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 07, 2024, 08:47:55 AM
I don't think there is an easy fix here for the Heat. They've done a good job locking up their own but it feels like a number of their players are overpaid, and they are getting a little old.
They may need to look at doing something with Butler or Herro this off-season, but I don't know if their 80 year old GM wants to think about a rebuild.
Need to draft both Oso and TKO to keep the Marquette magic alive.
But agree, that team feels like they are on the wrong side of the median age and there isn't really a "guy" outside of Jimmy. Bam is inconsistent and Herro has been too.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 07, 2024, 08:47:55 AM
I don't think there is an easy fix here for the Heat. They've done a good job locking up their own but it feels like a number of their players are overpaid, and they are getting a little old.
They may need to look at doing something with Butler or Herro this off-season, but I don't know if their 80 year old GM wants to think about a rebuild.
If the Heat wants to win it all, they need to blow it up now before the current players get too old. Nobody wants to play with Butler. I'd move him now while he has value. Who wants him though that's a contender? The Knicks? I suppose but that team has great chemistry. Feels like he's a bad fit with that.
Herro isn't even a third banana on a championship team. Doubt he has a lot of value but if you can get someone to take the terrible contract, I'd move him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 10:43:15 AM
Nobody wants to play with Butler. I'd move him now while he has value.
Reminiscent of the "Nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded". Yogi Berra would be proud.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2024, 02:18:39 PM
Reminiscent of the "Nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded". Yogi Berra would be proud.
Not really. Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Jimmy. Might as well get something for him and get players other players will want to play with. A lot of dumb people in NBA front offices. Should be able to find one dumb enough to add Jimmy Butler to their roster
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
Not really. Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Jimmy. Might as well get something for him and get players other players will want to play with. A lot of dumb people in NBA front offices. Should be able to find one dumb enough to add Jimmy Butler to their roster
Part of that is because they have signed their own guys. But as mentioned above, those contracts aren't great and would be hard to move.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
Not really. Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Jimmy. Might as well get something for him and get players other players will want to play with. A lot of dumb people in NBA front offices. Should be able to find one dumb enough to add Jimmy Butler to their roster
There also are reasons - primarily financial, but other reasons too - that Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Butler.
For example, by all accounts - including his - Lillard desperately wanted to be traded to the Heat. But the parties couldn't make a deal for a variety of reasons. Obviously, Lillard wasn't cowed by Jimmy's personality.
But sure, there undoubtedly have been some who simply didn't want to play with JFB.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
Not really. Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Jimmy. Might as well get something for him and get players other players will want to play with. A lot of dumb people in NBA front offices. Should be able to find one dumb enough to add Jimmy Butler to their roster
So somebody dumb like Pat Riley. Right.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
Not really. Miami hasn't been able to get players to come play with Jimmy. Might as well get something for him and get players other players will want to play with. A lot of dumb people in NBA front offices. Should be able to find one dumb enough to add Jimmy Butler to their roster
This is pretty funny. Every star asking out has Heat on their preferred destination list.
Markus Howard led his league in scoring. FIBA is allowing him to play for Puerto Rico in international competitions.
Quote from: tower912 on May 10, 2024, 10:44:12 AM
Markus Howard led his league in scoring. FIBA is allowing him to play for Puerto Rico in international competitions.
He lead both the Spanish league and the Euroleague in scoring.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 10, 2024, 10:50:03 AM
He lead both the Spanish league and the Euroleague in scoring.
And he's doing it in only 23 min a game. Absolutely insane output/efficiency. The equivalent of averaged 24 pts in just under 28 min a game in the NBA. For fun, of the 16 players who averaged more than 24 PPG this year in the NBA, the lowest average minutes played was SGA with 34. He'd have the second highest PPM in the NBA after SGA, just ahead of Giannis. And after those 2, the drop off is pretty huge.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him get another NBA look or two in the next year or so, but regardless, he's set up for another 8-10 years of Euroleague greatness and a pile of money.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 10, 2024, 11:20:21 AM
And he's doing it in only 23 min a game. Absolutely insane output/efficiency. The equivalent of averaged 24 pts in just under 28 min a game in the NBA. For fun, of the 16 players who averaged more than 24 PPG this year in the NBA, the lowest average minutes played was SGA with 34. He'd have the second highest PPM in the NBA after SGA, just ahead of Giannis. And after those 2, the drop off is pretty huge.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him get another NBA look or two in the next year or so, but regardless, he's set up for another 8-10 years of Euroleague greatness and a pile of money.
Glad to see Markus find success. A great rep of Marquette
Markus is still 5'10. He has always been a great shooter and prolific scorer. If he was 6'3, he would be in the NBA. It is that simple. But he isn't so he isn't.
Quote from: tower912 on May 10, 2024, 11:26:12 AM
Markus is still 5'10. He has always been a great shooter and prolific scorer. If he was 6'3, he would be in the NBA. It is that simple. But he isn't so he isn't.
If he was 6'3 He'd probably be an all star signed to a max contract
Amen.
Quote from: tower912 on May 10, 2024, 11:26:12 AM
Markus is still 5'10. He has always been a great shooter and prolific scorer. If he was 6'3, he would be in the NBA. It is that simple. But he isn't so he isn't.
If he was 6'3" he's not the type of recruit that considers Marquette let alone stays there for four years.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 10, 2024, 11:42:19 AM
If he was 6'3" he's not the type of recruit that considers Marquette let alone stays there for four years.
Edit: NM, I'll keep the OT stuff to the Superbar NBA thread
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 10, 2024, 11:42:19 AM
If he was 6'3" he's not the type of recruit that considers Marquette let alone stays there for four years.
He was a highly regarded recruit as it was.
Somebody wake up Newsdreams.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 10, 2024, 10:50:03 AM
He lead both the Spanish league and the Euroleague in scoring.
If Baskonia had eliminated Real Madrid and made the Final 4, I'd likely be on my way to Berlin on 5/23 to watch him face Olympiakos.
Alas, maybe next year.
And to think, Markus is only 17!
Quote from: MU82 on May 10, 2024, 10:38:04 PM
And to think, Markus is only 17!
Drake going to try and get him to the Raptors.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 11, 2024, 08:57:43 PM
Drake going to try and get him to the Raptors.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/c3/23/67c323b8ed7b7b2ed866f7bfc9833cd6.gif)
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 10, 2024, 11:29:32 AM
If he was 6'3 He'd probably be an all star signed to a max contract
And if JFB were 7'2" he'd be the greatest player in NBA history. And if your Bubby had balls...
Oso in the audience for the NBA Draft lottery.
Wonder what that's about.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 12, 2024, 02:29:35 PM
Oso in the audience for the NBA Draft lottery.
Wonder what that's about.
A lot of players participating in the combine were there as both are in Chicago
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 12, 2024, 02:32:31 PM
A lot of players participating in the combine were there as both are in Chicago
Combine being at Wintrust Arena should help our guys, they've played well there plenty of times
OMax up being a great teammate sporting a bright green sport coat.
And OMax enters the NBA finals record book.
And Sam is an NBA champion.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 17, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
And Sam is an NBA champion.
Congrats to UVA fans. I'm sure they love him.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 17, 2024, 10:02:17 PM
Congrats to UVA fans. I'm sure they love him.
Thanks Joey
Just thankful he had the brains to leave MU...we may have missed on Shaka had he stayed.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 17, 2024, 10:26:29 PM
Just thankful he has the brains to leave MU...we may have missed on Shaka had he stayed.
If the Meat Men are to be believed, he wanted to stay but his family would've "broken up" if he did, so he made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of his family.
Hellofa playa, hey?
Absolutely he is. Too many people here blame him for Hausergate, when it was their idol Wojos responsibility. And plenty here stuck up for Wojo to the bitter end, offering the lame excuses why Wojo should be kept.(They know who they are, just wont admit it). Yet here we are, with Shaka, but unfortunately still paying Wojo, while Hauser is another former Warrior with an NBA ring.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 18, 2024, 07:15:11 AM
Absolutely he is. Too many people here blame him for Hausergate, when it was their idol Wojos responsibility. And plenty here stuck up for Wojo to the bitter end, offering the lame excuses why Wojo should be kept.(They know who they are, just wont admit it). Yet here we are, with Shaka, but unfortunately still paying Wojo, while Hauser is another former Warrior with an NBA ring.
Dung - MU is done paying Wojo.
https://painttouches.com/2024/05/28/shaka-smart-salary-wojos-buyout-and-other-notes-from-marquettes-2023-tax-filings/
willie stalks his ex-girlfriends too. It's weird.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 08:27:33 AM
willie stalks his ex-girlfriends too. It's weird.
I have heard the same - it is quite weird tbh.
Congratulations to Sam. Congratulations to the Celtics.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 18, 2024, 07:15:11 AM
Absolutely he is. Too many people here blame him for Hausergate, when it was their idol Wojos responsibility. And plenty here stuck up for Wojo to the bitter end, offering the lame excuses why Wojo should be kept.(They know who they are, just wont admit it). Yet here we are, with Shaka, but unfortunately still paying Wojo, while Hauser is another former Warrior with an NBA ring.
nobody cares.
I will never understand people blaming Hauser for begging his coach to actually do his job. Wojo was an AWFUL coach.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 18, 2024, 09:00:16 AM
I will never understand people blaming Hauser for begging his coach to actually do his job. Wojo was an AWFUL coach.
This is it in a nutshell. Those twisted over Hausers transfer were the prolific posters here on Scoop who swore for 5 Wojo was the goods. Their pride won't allow them to place blame where it rightly belongs for the Hausers transfers - Wojo. (Not Joey or Sam.)
We should be grateful the Hausers transferred as that definitely helped to put the nail in Wojo's coffin. Highly likely had the Hausers not transferred, we never would have fired Wojo and gotten Shaka.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 18, 2024, 10:37:15 AM
This is it in a nutshell. Those twisted over Hausers transfer were the prolific posters here on Scoop who swore for 5 Wojo was the goods. Their pride won't allow them to place blame where it rightly belongs for the Hausers transfers - Wojo. (Not Joey or Sam.)
We should be grateful the Hausers transferred as that definitely helped to put the nail in Wojo's coffin. Highly likely had the Hausers not transferred, we never would have fired Wojo and gotten Shaka.
Who here said that Wojo deserved no blame for the Hauser transfers?
What's strange is that people still talk about them around here despite the fact that neither has anything to do with Marquette any longer. I know Herman is just trolling everyone, but its just really odd that others keep doing it.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 18, 2024, 10:45:23 AM
Wrongo
The only people who care are Hauser-stans such as yourself. It's odd.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 18, 2024, 10:37:15 AM
This is it in a nutshell. Those twisted over Hausers transfer were the prolific posters here on Scoop who swore for 5 Wojo was the goods. Their pride won't allow them to place blame where it rightly belongs for the Hausers transfers - Wojo. (Not Joey or Sam.)
We should be grateful the Hausers transferred as that definitely helped to put the nail in Wojo's coffin. Highly likely had the Hausers not transferred, we never would have fired Wojo and gotten Shaka.
How dare you blaspheme those scoopers that made lame excuses to keep Wojo. Sounds like you care, but according to somebody above, "nobody cares". Looks like Sam has turned out well with his decision. Wish he would have stayed though to finish a pretty good college career.
I'm a huge UVA fan so I love Sam. Loved he jumped on board after the Hoos won the national title and then led the Hoos to 0 NCAA Tournament wins. He's an all timer at UVA, and at MU. We should bow to him here for getting rid of Wojo, and we bow to him at UVA for continuing the legacy that Kyle Guy, De'Andre Hunter, Ty Jerome, Mamdi Diakite, Braxton Key, Kihei Clark, Jay Huff, and Jack Salt started. Heck, he's right up there with Ralph Sampson.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 10:47:05 AM
The only people who care are Hauser-stans such as yourself. It's odd.
Wrong. But that is your MO. Wrong about everything. Guess we know where you came down on Wojo, although you would deny reality.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 18, 2024, 10:50:04 AM
Wish he would have stayed though to finish a pretty good college career.
make up your mind
What I don't get with the obsession with Sam and Joey is why it didn't seem like people were obsessing about the careers for Haanif, Jerome Maymonn, Trevor Mbakwe, Reggie smith, Jamal Ferguson, Erik Williams, Steve Taylor (outside of Herm), the list goes on and on.
what's different about these brothers that made a bunch of people obsessively latch onto them as still being MU guys but not those other transfers? Many of the guys defending Sam as 'forever an MU guy' wouldnt say that about Erik Williams or Steve Taylor and didn't give a damn about them after leaving.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 18, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
What I don't get with the obsession with Sam and Joey is why it didn't seem like people were obsessing about the careers for Haanif, Jerome Maymonn, Trevor Mbakwe, Reggie smith, Jamal Ferguson, Erik Williams, Steve Taylor (outside of Herm), the list goes on and on.
what's different about these brothers that made a bunch of people obsessively latch onto them as still being MU guys but not those other transfers? Many of the guys defending Sam as 'forever an MU guy' wouldnt say that about Erik Williams or Steve Taylor and didn't give a damn about them after leaving.
I will tell you what's different in my observation.
1. We had a coach that not many people were satisfied with on the court (solidified the Wojo Shortcomings)
2. We lost someone who had scored as many points in an MU uniform as D Wade and J Butler (Embarrassing/Jilting)
3. It significantly diminished the prospects for the next season and was somewhat unprecedented for MU's past experience (Immediately Frustrating)
My personal opinion is that I was sad for Sam. He had already built a legacy and would have been celebrated at MU in a similar light as a Novak, Diener or the like. There is no way he is seen in that light if he comes back to an MU game after the above. It probably didnt matter to him at the time doesnt matter today with the Celtics. But it something I'd imagine it he may miss someday - but that is the consequence of his choice.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 18, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
What I don't get with the obsession with Sam and Joey is why it didn't seem like people were obsessing about the careers for Haanif, Jerome Maymonn, Trevor Mbakwe, Reggie smith, Jamal Ferguson, Erik Williams, Steve Taylor (outside of Herm), the list goes on and on.
what's different about these brothers that made a bunch of people obsessively latch onto them as still being MU guys but not those other transfers? Many of the guys defending Sam as 'forever an MU guy' wouldnt say that about Erik Williams or Steve Taylor and didn't give a damn about them after leaving.
Sam was good and for the most part those guys sucked (other than Maymon and Mbakwe)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 18, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
What I don't get with the obsession with Sam and Joey is why it didn't seem like people were obsessing about the careers for Haanif, Jerome Maymonn, Trevor Mbakwe, Reggie smith, Jamal Ferguson, Erik Williams, Steve Taylor (outside of Herm), the list goes on and on.
what's different about these brothers that made a bunch of people obsessively latch onto them as still being MU guys but not those other transfers? Many of the guys defending Sam as 'forever an MU guy' wouldnt say that about Erik Williams or Steve Taylor and didn't give a damn about them after leaving.
They play the game the right way. They understand the game, which there is no better evidence of than getting away from Wojo (but nobody wants to talk about being dumb enough to commit 2 kids to him in the first place...), and this resulted in Wojo being fired by MU. We owe them our entire program.
Oh, and they're white.
I liked Sam. He was a solid player on our team for three years. For me personally, he built up enough capital that I still liked him "well enough" after he left. I wouldn't say that I root for him, but if I see that something good happens to him -- such as winning an NBA championship -- my general attitude is "good for him." I actively root for most other MU guys and am much more enthusiastic if they do well.
Joey, on the other hand...well he didn't build up the capital that Sam did. I wouldn't say that I actively root against him...well...actually...yes, I kind of do root against him.
Edited to add: I have similar generally positive feelings for a number of guys who put in several years at MU -- Greg Elliott, Jamal Cain, Theo John, etc.
I would've bailed on Wojo, too. No hate for Sam.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 18, 2024, 12:13:36 PM
Edited to add: I have similar generally positive feelings for a number of guys who put in several years at MU -- Greg Elliott, Jamal Cain, Theo John, etc.
To be fair these three are all MU grads like most of this board, and like many on here with post grad degrees they chose to go elsewhere for post grad.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 18, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
To be fair these three are all MU grads like most of this board, and like many on here with post grad degrees they chose to go elsewhere for post grad.
For many on here I think the fact Sam is a white guy from Wisconsin plays a big part in the obsession.
Galway
Sam was a three year guy at MU and a very highly regarded player. The other guys really are not great comps because they did not have the three career that Sam did. If TK, Kam or Oso had transferred after last season to get a big payday, I would have been cheering for them and hoping they would have bigger paydays in the future. I think Sam and Kam is a good comparison.
bias
Seriously?
Very few transfers we have lost transfer up or even transfer even.
Sam going to a ACC power and then making the NBA puts him on a level that even Mbakwe can't touch. Throw in the Markus and Wojo dynamics and that's why people still talk about him.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 12:46:11 PM
Galway
Sam was a three year guy at MU and a very highly regarded player. The other guys really are not great comps because they did not have the three career that Sam did. If TK, Kam or Oso had transferred after last season to get a big payday, I would have been cheering for them and hoping they would have bigger paydays in the future. I think Sam and Kam is a good comparison.
Hmm to me the success is irrelevant if it about him being a forever MU guy.
Personally I've never rooted for a girl I've dated to "go get it" after we broke up, and certainly not for the ones that I dated for long periods of time. Apathetic to mildly pleased their life wasn't destroyed sure. I view it the same with transfers, had a relationship (representing MU) but my rooting for them was predicated on said relationship. If that ends, then they're just a face in a crowd to which I'm apathetic toward that doesn't change whether the majority of that relationship was successful (Sam) or not (Erik Williams)
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I would've bailed on Wojo, too. No hate for Sam.
Yep. No hate for Sam. I was happy for him last night. He represented MU well right up until he quit the team. Its a shame he is a man without a true CBB home to come back to. Quitting on the team was a double edged sword for him and for us. Hard for MU to recognize him in any way shape or form officially given the way things went down at the time.
I think over time if Sam shows interest in Maquette (participates in golf outings, shows up at the Al, etc.) he could/would be brought back into the fold.
galway
That is what make America great, we can have different opinions. I would love to have Sam back in the fold and helping with recruiting.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 01:46:53 PM
galway
That is what make America great, we can have different opinions. I would love to have Sam back in the fold and helping with recruiting.
Differing opinion. Having Sam in good graces would not affect recruiting. What do you tell the recruit, come here, and you can be just like Sam? Stay for 3, then transfer. Sam doesn't need to be part of a recruiting pitch.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 01:46:53 PM
galway
That is what make America great, we can have different opinions. I would love to have Sam back in the fold and helping with recruiting.
USA! USA! USA!
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 01:46:53 PM
galway
That is what make America great, we can have different opinions. I would love to have Sam back in the fold and helping with recruiting.
Right Goose! At this point Sam could do a lot more for Shaka and MU than Marquette can do for him. Have no way of knowing if that is even a possibility, hey?
Congratulations to Sam. Shaka doesn't need his help.
Stephanie's got some athletic administration experience in the state of Wisconsin. Maybe she can replace Bill? And Dave knows ball, so maybe find him a position on the staff or as a consultant.
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2024, 02:01:55 PM
Congratulations to Sam. Shaka doesn't need his help.
Why does Shaka somehow
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 12:46:11 PM
I think Sam and Kam is a good comparison.
If Kam had gotten into a tiff with Stevie and Shaka, and then quit Marquette after his junior year to go play at Virginia, yes, then it would have been a good comparison.
lol at anyone that thinks Sam will be recruiting for Marquette or doing anything for Shaka
Wild that some still think of Hauser as a Marquette guy. He is not.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on June 18, 2024, 03:05:16 PM
Wild that some still think of Hauser as a Marquette guy. He is not.
Nope, but maybe he'll spend some time around the program and help out
😂😂😂😂
Yeah. And I think Dwyane Wade traveling to Maui, doing golf tournaments, being in the locker room at home games, etc. is probably just a touch more valuable than UVA grad Sam Hauser. Just one man's opinion though.
Honestly, I didn't start disliking Sam until posters here tried to do everything they could to discredit Markus. When people blame Wojo for Sam leaving, it makes sense and I respect Sam's decision. But scoop turned into a place where praising and respecting Markus was frowned upon by a large group, and that made my resentment for Sam built up.
But that's a me issue, and logically Sam's decision probably was the right one for him. It's the anti Markus stances that get to me.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 18, 2024, 03:14:42 PM
Honestly, I didn't start disliking Sam until posters here tried to do everything they could to discredit Markus. When people blame Wojo for Sam leaving, it makes sense and I respect Sam's decision. But scoop turned into a place where praising and respecting Markus was frowned upon by a large group, and that made my resentment for Sam built up.
But that's a me issue, and logically Sam's decision probably was the right one for him. It's the anti Markus stances that get to me.
Scoop is the only place this is discussed. The next Marquette watch party I attend or fan I encounter in the wild that discusses this topic will be the first
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 03:08:25 PM
Yeah. And I think Dwyane Wade traveling to Maui, doing golf tournaments, being in the locker room at home games, etc. is probably just a touch more valuable than UVA grad Sam Hauser. Just one man's opinion though.
More valuable, Sam's ring or Shaka on Thanasis' podcast?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2024, 03:15:38 PM
Scoop is the only place this is discussed. The next Marquette watch party I attend or fan I encounter in the wild that discusses this topic will be the first
100%
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 18, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
What I don't get with the obsession with Sam and Joey is why it didn't seem like people were obsessing about the careers for Haanif, Jerome Maymonn, Trevor Mbakwe, Reggie smith, Jamal Ferguson, Erik Williams, Steve Taylor (outside of Herm), the list goes on and on.
what's different about these brothers that made a bunch of people obsessively latch onto them as still being MU guys but not those other transfers? Many of the guys defending Sam as 'forever an MU guy' wouldnt say that about Erik Williams or Steve Taylor and didn't give a damn about them after leaving.
Sam was here for three years and was my favorite MU player while he was here. I really liked his game. And I don't blame him for leaving Wojo. So I still root for the guy and I'm happy that he got a ring and the paycheck that goes with it. Don't feel like I obsessively latch on to him.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on June 18, 2024, 03:05:16 PM
Wild that some still think of Hauser as a Marquette guy. He is not.
Agree.
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 18, 2024, 03:31:43 PM
Sam was here for three years and was my favorite MU player while he was here. I really liked his game. And I don't blame him for leaving Wojo. So I still root for the guy and I'm happy that he got a ring and the paycheck that goes with it. Don't feel like I obsessively latch on to him.
Rooting for someone because you like their game is different than trying to defend it by saying he's still a Marquette stakeholder. The parent of a Marquette grad is more a stakeholder in the university than a transfer (regular student or high profile athlete)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 18, 2024, 12:13:36 PM
I liked Sam. He was a solid player on our team for three years. For me personally, he built up enough capital that I still liked him "well enough" after he left. I wouldn't say that I root for him, but if I see that something good happens to him -- such as winning an NBA championship -- my general attitude is "good for him." I actively root for most other MU guys and am much more enthusiastic if they do well.
Joey, on the other hand...well he didn't build up the capital that Sam did. I wouldn't say that I actively root against him...well...actually...yes, I kind of do root against him.
Edited to add: I have similar generally positive feelings for a number of guys who put in several years at MU -- Greg Elliott, Jamal Cain, Theo John, etc.
Nailed it, Still.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 18, 2024, 11:42:06 AM
My personal opinion is that I was sad for Sam. He had already built a legacy and would have been celebrated at MU in a similar light as a Novak, Diener or the like. There is no way he is seen in that light if he comes back to an MU game after the above. It probably didnt matter to him at the time doesnt matter today with the Celtics. But it something I'd imagine it he may miss someday - but that is the consequence of his choice.
This.
I am sure it is this way at other schools, but not having football means our basketball players are beloved and remembered forever. Sam would have been one of the most celebrated players in MU's long history. But it is hard for a 20 year old to realize it, let alone care about it.
I am sure he is thrilled with his decision and that is the only opinion that really matters.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on June 18, 2024, 05:49:43 PM
This.
I am sure it is this way at other schools, but not having football means our basketball players are beloved and remembered forever. Sam would have been one of the most celebrated players in MU's long history. But it is hard for a 20 year old to realize it, let alone care about it.
I am sure he is thrilled with his decision and that is the only opinion that really matters.
Honestly I doubt he will ever care.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 18, 2024, 11:42:06 AM
I will tell you what's different in my observation.
1. We had a coach that not many people were satisfied with on the court (solidified the Wojo Shortcomings)
2. We lost someone who had scored as many points in an MU uniform as D Wade and J Butler (Embarrassing/Jilting)
3. It significantly diminished the prospects for the next season and was somewhat unprecedented for MU's past experience (Immediately Frustrating)
My personal opinion is that I was sad for Sam. He had already built a legacy and would have been celebrated at MU in a similar light as a Novak, Diener or the like. There is no way he is seen in that light if he comes back to an MU game after the above. It probably didnt matter to him at the time doesnt matter today with the Celtics. But it something I'd imagine it he may miss someday - but that is the consequence of his choice.
Diener and Novak are celebrated in the light that they are because of their Final Four run.
Sam was not part of a FF team. Different light.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2024, 03:15:38 PM
Scoop is the only place this is discussed. The next Marquette watch party I attend or fan I encounter in the wild that discusses this topic will be the first
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What do your golfin' buddies at Grant Park say 'bout dis, hey?
I would bet a lot of money that Novak and Diener have a very favorable opinion of Sam. Plus, I would bet more money they feel Sam is part of the MU family.
I learned a long time ago to always trust former players and coaches on they view a player. I have zero doubt that Sam is being celebrated by many former players and coaches today.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 08:04:42 PM
I would bet a lot of money that Novak and Diener have a very favorable opinion of Sam. Plus, I would bet more money they feel Sam is part of the MU family.
LOL. Who cares?
It seems pretty clear that Sam doesn't think that way. With all of the connections that Shaka and the entire program seeks out with former players, why do you think that Sam is never mentioned? I believe that MUBB even congratulated Jamal Cain last year when the Heat made the Finals...but not a peep about Sam.
This obsession with him is so strange.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 08:04:42 PM
I would bet a lot of money that Novak and Diener have a very favorable opinion of Sam. Plus, I would bet more money they feel Sam is part of the MU family.
I learned a long time ago to always trust former players and coaches on they view a player. I have zero doubt that Sam is being celebrated by many former players and coaches today.
I have never heard either opine (favorably or otherwise) on Sam. I honestly haven't seen any MU former players and coaches celebrate Sam today...have you seen any congratulatory posts?
Fluff
I like Sam and happy for him and that is it. Obsession? That might be the wildest thing I have seen you post.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 08:58:07 PM
Fluff
I like Sam and happy for him and that is it. Obsession? That might be the wildest thing I have seen you post.
The obsession is that people keep bringing him up here even though it's pretty clear that MU and him don't have any relationship with one another.
It's weird.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 08:59:54 PM
The obsession is that people keep bringing him up here even though it's pretty clear that MU and him don't have any relationship with one another.
It's weird.
Otoh, Sam had 3 very nice seasons with MU. That's one more year than Dwayne Wade, Jim Chones, OMax Prosper, Justin Lewis, etc. who left for greener pastures after 2 seasons on the court. He is still part of MU BB legacy. Just sayin.......
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 18, 2024, 09:10:47 PM
Otoh, Sam had 3 very nice seasons with MU. That's one more year than Dwayne Wade, Jim Chones, OMax Prosper, Justin Lewis, etc. who left for greener pastures after 2 seasons on the court. He is still part of MU BB legacy. Just sayin.......
He didn't turn pro. He transferred. You can't tell the difference? Marquette can. lol.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 09:13:20 PM
He didn't turn pro. He transferred. You can't tell the difference? Marquette can. lol.
Obviosly know the difference. But, truth is that he put in 3 very good seasons on MU's behalf and was a huge part of 3 successful MU seasons. Hate that he left, but gotta give him credit for what he did. Ended up helping MU by departing and leading to Wojo's demise and Shaka's arrival. Joey, otoh......
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 18, 2024, 09:25:06 PM
Obviosly know the difference. But, truth is that he put in 3 very good seasons on MU's behalf and was a huge part of 3 successful MU seasons. Hate that he left, but gotta give him credit for what he did. Ended up helping MU by departing and leading to Wojo's demise and Shaka's arrival. Joey, otoh......
I don't have to give him credit for anything. But keep fawning over a transfer. You fit in good with the weird ones here.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 09:26:23 PM
I don't have to give him credit for anything. But keep fawning over a transfer. You fit in good with the weird ones here.
Just reflecting on the conversation in this thread. Have not thought about Sam in quite a while other than maybe discussing his pro potential.
I wouldn't at all be surprised for Sam Hauser and Marquette to have a reconciliation 5/10/20 years down the road. I think it's human nature for great players to want some connection to their younger playing days—especially ones great enough to have long NBA careers and keep basketball at the center of their adult lives. Sam has no legacy to draw on at UVA, but he certainly had three good years at MU.
On a personal level, I don't understand the enduring animus player who made a decision to transfer colleges as a 20 year-old, especially one who was probably unduly influenced by his helicopter parents. Perhaps there's mending to be done behind the scenes before any sort of public reunion, but to me that should be possible.
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 18, 2024, 08:38:10 PM
I have never heard either opine (favorably or otherwise) on Sam. I honestly haven't seen any MU former players and coaches celebrate Sam today...have you seen any congratulatory posts?
Novak is too busy in neighborhood patrol to comment at the moment but I'm sure as part of the cabal of white guys from Wisconsin that played at Marquette, he'll comment shortly
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 19, 2024, 12:59:37 AM
I wouldn't at all be surprised for Sam Hauser and Marquette to have a reconciliation 5/10/20 years down the road. I think it's human nature for great players to want some connection to their younger playing days—especially ones great enough to have long NBA careers and keep basketball at the center of their adult lives. Sam has no legacy to draw on at UVA, but he certainly had three good years at MU.
On a personal level, I don't understand the enduring animus player who made a decision to transfer colleges as a 20 year-old, especially one who was probably unduly influenced by his helicopter parents. Perhaps there's mending to be done behind the scenes before any sort of public reunion, but to me that should be possible.
Who cares? Seriously, I have no animus toward the guy, but why do we care if he is somehow connected to the program in 5/10/20 years?
I'm much more hopeful that Markus and MU have a connection than Sam.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 19, 2024, 06:30:17 AM
Who cares? Seriously, I have no animus toward the guy, but why do we care if he is somehow connected to the program in 5/10/20 years?
I'm much more hopeful that Markus and MU have a connection than Sam.
I hope Marquette mends the fences with Deonte Burton and Duane Wilson and Sandy Cohen and Dameon Mason and Scott Christopherson and Odartey Blankson
It's a shame Omax couldn't get a ring. It's a pretty cool way to add additional prestige to a school, beyond just having someone in the Association. He would have been the envy of everyone at those Clemson reunions.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 19, 2024, 06:30:17 AM
Who cares? Seriously, I have no animus toward the guy, but why do we care if he is somehow connected to the program in 5/10/20 years?
I'm much more hopeful that Markus and MU have a connection than Sam.
No one's comin' ta MU cuz 0 chucked up 40 shots/game and plays overseas, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 19, 2024, 07:51:39 AM
No one's comin' ta MU cuz 0 chucked up 40 shots/game and plays overseas, aina?
No one is coming to MU because of Sam Hauser, aina?
And Markus is MUBB family. The program would love to have him around
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 19, 2024, 07:51:39 AM
No one's comin' ta MU cuz 0 chucked up 40 shots/game and plays overseas, aina?
Oso talked about his relationship with Markus and his family quite a bit when the coaching change happened. Oso was pretty good for MU.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 19, 2024, 07:58:23 AM
Oso talked about his relationship with Markus and his family quite a bit when the coaching change happened. Oso was pretty good for MU.
In 4elder's world, that's a strike against Markus
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 19, 2024, 07:51:39 AM
No one's comin' ta MU cuz 0 chucked up 40 shots/game and plays overseas, aina?
So your theory is that the programs all time leading scorer isn't valuable to the program, but a guy who transferred out is?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 19, 2024, 06:15:48 AM
4elder isn't what we call, "sports savvy"
Yep.
Markus can tell recruits about Marquette producing two All-American PGs in a 5-year span, about the school's academics, and about the many opportunities student-athletes have to make off-the-court contributions to the Marquette and Milwaukee communities.
Sam can help them with his penmanship, though, so that's good.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 19, 2024, 07:04:58 AM
I hope Marquette mends the fences with Deonte Burton and Duane Wilson and Sandy Cohen and Dameon Mason and Scott Christopherson and Odartey Blankson
Duane at least had the paper saying he's an alum
Quote from: Its DJOver on June 19, 2024, 07:15:02 AM
It's a shame Omax couldn't get a ring. It's a pretty cool way to add additional prestige to a school, beyond just having someone in the Association. He would have been the envy of everyone at those Clemson reunions.
Omax's perimeter defense will eventually get him some playing time. Just needs to hit that three at an above average clip and he will have a long NBA career. I'm optimistic. And agreed it would have been nice for him to get a ring. Even with the Clemson comment. Which made me laugh.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 19, 2024, 10:37:30 AM
Omax's perimeter defense will eventually get him some playing time. Just needs to hit that three at an above average clip and he will have a long NBA career. I'm optimistic. And agreed it would have been nice for him to get a ring.
Which in turn helps Clemson a lot
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 19, 2024, 06:30:17 AM
Who cares? Seriously, I have no animus toward the guy, but why do we care if he is somehow connected to the program in 5/10/20 years?
I'm much more hopeful that Markus and MU have a connection than Sam.
You could apply the "who cares?" framework to any player outside of Dwyane Wade and Jimmy Butler. Frankly you could apply it to college basketball fandom to a whole. I wouldn't say I "care" about Sam Hauser reuniting with MU, I'm just remarking that I think it's very possible down the line. Many in this thread, including you, are suggesting that possibility is nil because he transferred from MU. I don't think you're right about that.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 19, 2024, 10:49:31 AM
You could apply the "who cares?" framework to any player outside of Dwyane Wade and Jimmy Butler. Frankly you could apply it to college basketball fandom to a whole. I wouldn't say I "care" about Sam Hauser reuniting with MU, I'm just remarking that I think it's very possible down the line. Many in this thread, including you, are suggesting that possibility is nil because he transferred from MU. I don't think you're right about that.
Hauser doesn't give a crap about MU. MU doesn't give a crap about Hauser. It's not that difficult.
Tyler
Anyone that would argue with your post simply wants to argue. Hopefully all of the anti-Sam fans will stick to their guns and not support a MU-Sam reunion if it were to happen. By the way, I feel the exact same way on the topic as you do.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 19, 2024, 10:49:31 AM
You could apply the "who cares?" framework to any player outside of Dwyane Wade and Jimmy Butler. Frankly you could apply it to college basketball fandom to a whole. I wouldn't say I "care" about Sam Hauser reuniting with MU, I'm just remarking that I think it's very possible down the line. Many in this thread, including you, are suggesting that possibility is nil because he transferred from MU. I don't think you're right about that.
I care about players who finished at Marquette.
Quote from: Goose on June 19, 2024, 11:08:02 AM
Tyler
Anyone that would argue with your post simply wants to argue. Hopefully all of the anti-Sam fans will stick to their guns and not support a MU-Sam reunion if it were to happen. By the way, I feel the exact same way on the topic as you do.
If it were to happen, it would get a big yawn from me.
The fact that you think it would be nice is pretty pathetic actually.
I always root for Kumbaya moments.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 19, 2024, 07:56:11 AM
No one is coming to MU because of Sam Hauser, aina?
And Markus is MUBB family. The program would love to have him around
0's impact on the program going forward is pretty much on par with Automatic's, hey?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 18, 2024, 12:13:36 PM
I liked Sam. He was a solid player on our team for three years. For me personally, he built up enough capital that I still liked him "well enough" after he left. I wouldn't say that I root for him, but if I see that something good happens to him -- such as winning an NBA championship -- my general attitude is "good for him." I actively root for most other MU guys and am much more enthusiastic if they do well.
Joey, on the other hand...well he didn't build up the capital that Sam did. I wouldn't say that I actively root against him...well...actually...yes, I kind of do root against him.
Edited to add: I have similar generally positive feelings for a number of guys who put in several years at MU -- Greg Elliott, Jamal Cain, Theo John, etc.
Yep, same.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 19, 2024, 11:12:04 AM
I care about players who finished at Marquette.
If it were to happen, it would get a big yawn from me.
The fact that you think it would be nice is pretty pathetic actually.
positive relationships > negative ones
Also, I doubt Sam or Marquette will have you on speed dial for a response.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 19, 2024, 12:30:37 PM
0's impact on the program going forward is pretty much on par with Automatic's, hey?
Well, one is Marquette alum
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 19, 2024, 01:54:49 PM
positive relationships > negative ones
Also, I doubt Sam or Marquette will have you on speed dial for a response.
Speed dial? That reference isn't going to win us any recruits.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 19, 2024, 04:05:03 PM
Speed dial? That reference isn't going to win us any recruits.
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 19, 2024, 11:12:04 AM
I care about players who finished at Marquette.
You don't care about Jamal Cain? I'm rooting for him to succeed in the NBA. Sam's departure was more acrimonious, but I'd be fine with MU bringing him back someday. Relationships of all kinds are complicated.
I def root for Cain.
He was at MU 4 years. He left during a coaching change. Go, Jamal.
I think we can all agree Jamal was and is a great part of MU.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 19, 2024, 08:02:55 PM
I think we can all agree Jamal was and is a great part of MU.
And Oakland. We can share him
I'd have no problem with Marquette "bringing Sam back" someday. Hell, I wouldn't even have a problem with Marquette "bringing Joey back" someway somehow. Neither would affect me one iota, nor would it affect the program I root for.
But it's hardly surprising that Marquette doesn't go out of its way to promote a guy who left the school on not the greatest terms just a few years ago. Nor does it surprise me that Sam probably isn't reaching out to Marquette.
As for Sam's NBA career ... I predicted years ago that he'd make it in the league, and it's cool for him that he's got a ring.
Former summer camp MVP Riley Crean an assistant coach on the Dallas summer league team.
Quote from: tower912 on June 19, 2024, 08:01:41 PM
He was at MU 4 years. He left during a coaching change. Go, Jamal.
And he graduated.
DJ Carton is on Toronto's summer league roster.
Jamal will need to find a new team. As Heat do not extend an offer . Article gives details on why offer was not extended.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ask-ira-heat-reached-endgame-100500451.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 06, 2024, 02:29:54 PM
Jamal will need to find a new team. As Heat do not extend an offer
https://sports.yahoo.com/ask-ira-heat-reached-endgame-100500451.html
Posted over week ago.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64866.msg1666111#msg1666111
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 06, 2024, 02:48:28 PM
Posted over week ago.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64866.msg1666111#msg1666111
for those of us who do not make this our daily, no, minute by minute "breaking news" scoop from end to end/top to bottom indulgence, not everyone sees the hot off the press bulletins so no harm in re posting
thanks Hermie!!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 07, 2024, 07:08:49 AM
for those of us who do not make this our daily, no, minute by minute "breaking news" scoop from end to end/top to bottom indulgence, not everyone sees the hot off the press bulletins so no harm in re posting
thanks Hermie!!
Hermie's a troll. No surprise you find him impressive.
Markus Howard no longer on the Nuggets
Sam Hauser 4 year/$45 mil extension signed with Celtics
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on July 21, 2024, 11:12:27 AM
Sam Hauser 4 year/$45 mil extension signed with Celtics
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
But wait, according to the naysayers here, Hauser sucks. They know who they are, now cue the comments, and we know where the first will come from
Quote from: willie warrior on July 21, 2024, 01:14:30 PM
But wait, according to the naysayers here, Hauser sucks. They know who they are, now cue the comments, and we know where the first will come from
Quote from: willie warrior on July 21, 2024, 01:14:30 PM
But wait, according to the naysayers here, Hauser sucks. They know who they are, now cue the comments, and we know where the first will come from
True knowledge overflows from you like effluvia from a Port-o-Potty, Dung Willie
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on July 21, 2024, 11:12:27 AM
Sam Hauser 4 year/$45 mil extension signed with Celtics
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
It's going to be really interesting to watch what happens with the sale of the Cs. The team salary total for next year plus the salary cap penalties are almost a half billion dollars combined. No new owner wants to watch half a bil go out the door each year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 06, 2024, 02:29:54 PM
Jamal will need to find a new team. As Heat do not extend an offer . Article gives details on why offer was not extended.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ask-ira-heat-reached-endgame-100500451.html
Not sure if posted anywhere, but Jamal signs
https://www.nba.com/player/1631288/jamal-cain (https://www.nba.com/player/1631288/jamal-cain)
07/12/2024, 5:33 PM
Inks deal with New Orleans
The Pelicans signed Cain to a two-way contract Friday, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN reports.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 23, 2024, 04:26:08 AM
Not sure if posted anywhere, but Jamal signs
https://www.nba.com/player/1631288/jamal-cain (https://www.nba.com/player/1631288/jamal-cain)
07/12/2024, 5:33 PM
Inks deal with New Orleans
The Pelicans signed Cain to a two-way contract Friday, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN reports.
Excellent news for Jamal. Hard worker and great teammate .
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 23, 2024, 08:09:52 AM
Excellent news for Jamal. Hard worker and great teammate .
Shaka ran him off.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 21, 2024, 01:14:30 PM
But wait, according to the naysayers here, Hauser sucks. They know who they are, now cue the comments, and we know where the first will come from
You say this, but have never produced any evidence proving the claim.
Tyler Kolek talks about summer training. Will be fun to watch him in the NBA. If the article is correct, $6.6 million guaranteed money is the most ever for any 2nd Round pick.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rookie/2024/09/07/knicks-tyler-kolek-offseason-workout-instagram/75121367007/
looks like tylers arms have grown!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2024, 09:39:11 AM
Tyler Kolek talks about summer training. Will be fun to watch him in the NBA. If the article is correct, $6.6 million guaranteed money is the most ever for any 2nd Round pick.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rookie/2024/09/07/knicks-tyler-kolek-offseason-workout-instagram/75121367007/
Just think of how good it would be for him if he returned to Marquette to improve.
OMax just killed a guy
https://x.com/NBAonTNT/status/1847088768701943820?t=KhrcYKqdJEb46HHMun8Gsg&s=19
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 17, 2024, 10:48:41 PM
OMax just killed a guy
https://x.com/NBAonTNT/status/1847088768701943820?t=KhrcYKqdJEb46HHMun8Gsg&s=19
Nice. Thanks for posting
Oso just got 6 early 1st half minutes.
5 rebounds and 1 block. He looked really really good! Also pulled the chair out on Harden on a fast break and blocked it off his face.
Wish Oso got the easy rebounds in bulk for us
First bucket was of course an Oso floater.
https://x.com/muoverload/status/1849297818093047826?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Oso looked really comfortable out there, and you could see why he's in the Suns' rotation. He had several fine defensive possessions.
Quote from: MU82 on October 24, 2024, 01:06:23 AM
Oso looked really comfortable out there, and you could see why he's in the Suns' rotation. He had several fine defensive possessions.
I was really impressed with the limited minutes I saw. To say he looked comfortable understates how natural he looked. He was really tough on defense several times with some of the big vets he went against. He wasn't going to get shoved around and really battled it out inside. And of course then the Harden block. Harden sat on the floor looking for a foul for the rookie, but it was a nice clean hand on ball. That must have felt so good for Oso.
Quote from: UWW2MU on October 24, 2024, 09:42:50 AM
I was really impressed with the limited minutes I saw. To say he looked comfortable understates how natural he looked. He was really tough on defense several times with some of the big vets he went against. He wasn't going to get shoved around and really battled it out inside. And of course then the Harden block. Harden sat on the floor looking for a foul for the rookie, but it was a nice clean hand on ball. That must have felt so good for Oso.
The fact that he was playing with Durant and Nurkic at the same time was a nice development for him. 3 guys 6'11" or taller on the court at the same time.
He caught the ball at 15+ feet a lot and never really looked at the basket though so it'll be tough for him to get minutes to close out games with limited offensive ability. He looked really good all things considered!
It was interesting the number of times Oso's role was to wait in the corner to spread the court - as if he were a 3-point threat. But he also got a lot of play up top as both a screen-setter, pick-and-roller and facilitator. His ability to defend anybody credibly is what will get him most of his PT, though. He didn't disappoint in that aspect last night.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 17, 2024, 10:48:41 PM
OMax just killed a guy
https://x.com/NBAonTNT/status/1847088768701943820?t=KhrcYKqdJEb46HHMun8Gsg&s=19
Fell down
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 23, 2024, 11:21:33 PM
First bucket was of course an Oso floater.
https://x.com/muoverload/status/1849297818093047826?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw (https://x.com/muoverload/status/1849297818093047826?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw)
A little post game interview
https://x.com/DuaneRankin/status/1849352864122237001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849352864122237001%7Ctwgr%5Ee0cdefe06dec3f434c2dbdb18d9b3217620c7c36%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fnba%2Fsuns%2F2024%2F10%2F24%2Fphoenix-suns-los-angeles-clippers-nba-game-score-analysis%2F75818971007%2F (https://x.com/DuaneRankin/status/1849352864122237001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849352864122237001%7Ctwgr%5Ee0cdefe06dec3f434c2dbdb18d9b3217620c7c36%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fnba%2Fsuns%2F2024%2F10%2F24%2Fphoenix-suns-los-angeles-clippers-nba-game-score-analysis%2F75818971007%2F)
Bud used Oso as the 3 in a big lineup, as the 5 in a small lineup and as the 4 in a more conventional lineup. He did well in each role, and also did well when switched onto a smaller guy on the perimeter.
Being able to make 3s is probably the #1 thing teams look for nowadays, but being able to defend anybody while also having a high offensive IQ is important, too, and it will keep Oso getting PT for the Suns.
Oso getting 12 minutes spread throughout a competitive game in game 1 is a good sign for his role going forward
Pretty confident if he does play well and show versatility he will begin stealing bench minutes from Plumlee
News: 2 days ago The Mavericks exercised Prosper's third-year rookie option for 2025-26, the team announced Wednesday.
OMax didn't play against Oso tonight.
Oso got 6 minutes with 1 rebound and 1 assist.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on October 26, 2024, 11:36:41 PM
OMax didn't play against Oso tonight.
Oso got 6 minutes with 1 rebound and 1 assist.
They were both in the game the last ~90 seconds. Didn't D up on each other though.
Good 1st half for Oso. 4pts, 8 rebs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 09:02:38 PMGood 1st half for Oso. 4pts, 8 rebs.
You anti block?
He's got 3 of those too
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2024, 09:16:09 PMYou anti block?
He's got 3 of those too
Nice! I just didn't see that.
Oso starting to get more PT.
Had 6 pts and 7 boards in 27 minutes last night
Suns got crushed but he was just -3 in the loss
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 16, 2024, 06:57:46 PMOso starting to get more PT.
Durant is hurt. Phoenix needs Oso to play more.
Lucky for them, Oso's game is a mirror image of KD's!
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2024, 10:05:11 PMDurant is hurt. Phoenix needs Oso to play more.
Lucky for them, Oso's game is a mirror image of KD's!
I agree with this analysis
OMax on the roster in Dallas, playing primarily garbage minutes. But playing.
Quote from: tower912 on November 17, 2024, 08:19:48 AMOMax on the roster in Dallas, playing primarily garbage minutes. But playing.
Hope he has his degree
Dammit, totally forgot the Suns play the wolves today so I get the game locally.
Missed the first half but Oso is 3/4 and +11 in 15 min nice.
Make that 5/6. :)
Playing a ton down the stretch. Making the push shot off pick n rolls
Had a beautiful pass for a corner 3 on one as well but the guy missed
Has had a few patented Oso tap outs to keep plays alive. Had another big O board that resulted in a 3.
Oso is playing in the NBA?!?!? I am shocked.
Someone ( MUSCOOPER? ) wearing Marquette pullover on the ESPN highlight of T-Wolves buzzer beater shot
Quote from: StateStreetMission on November 17, 2024, 05:53:04 PMSomeone ( MUSCOOPER? ) wearing Marquette pullover on the ESPN highlight of T-Wolves buzzer beater shot
I doubt it was a scoop denizen unless the cutaway was to a person in their mom's basement.
He appears to have bathed, gotten a haircut, and not be a basement dweller.
Quote from: tower912 on November 17, 2024, 06:08:54 PMHe appears to have bathed, gotten a haircut, and not be a basement dweller.
Then I'm out (NoLamelo)
https://x.com/NBATV/status/1858253211355820247?t=lV0JIhgecCs9R3MTGRzBLA&s=19
1st career game in double figures...at least scoring wise...had 12 rebounds in a game the other day.
Oso made his first career start tonight.
That is great for him. A fine representative of MU.
Oso with some sweet power dunks
3/3 from the floor 6 pts 6 boards in 1st half
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 18, 2024, 09:01:01 PMOso with some sweet power dunks
https://x.com/suns/status/1858705853567676873?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals. Well done, young man.
Quote from: tower912 on November 19, 2024, 05:37:17 AM12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals. Well done, young man.
Woj recruit
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2024, 07:39:10 AMWoj recruit
He was a very good recruiter. Would be a great assistant coach.
TK vs Oso on ESPN Wed night.
Jae's career not done yet
Oso is 2-2, 5 points, 1-1 at the FT line, 1 assist in the 1st half against the Lakers on TNT. Watching him guard LeBron on switches is awesome.
Also guarded Jaxon Hayes primarily. Shaka gotta be smiling watching that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 26, 2024, 09:55:18 PMOso is 2-2, 5 points, 1-1 at the FT line, 1 assist in the 1st half against the Lakers on TNT. Watching him guard LeBron on switches is awesome.
Also guarded Jaxon Hayes primarily. Shaka gotta be smiling watching that.
He's probably not watching that😁 with two future opponents in UD and ISU on at the same time
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 26, 2024, 09:55:18 PMOso is 2-2, 5 points, 1-1 at the FT line, 1 assist in the 1st half against the Lakers on TNT. Watching him guard LeBron on switches is awesome.
Also guarded Jaxon Hayes primarily. Shaka gotta be smiling watching that.
5 pts, 5 mins, doesn't suck.
Suns up 27 and rolling with the starters in with 3 min left.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2024, 11:13:47 PMSuns up 27 and rolling with the starters in with 3 min left.
The Lakers are going to get a dose in reality as the season goes on.
Will O Max & TKO be on floor tonight
TKo is out with an illness.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2024, 07:29:11 PMTKo is out with an illness.
Maybe the MU bug isn't from the Bahamas!!!
https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1863908386519351613?t=FSnmRCZfa5xeVk15RcLiEQ&s=19
Sam Vecenie has Kam Jones at 20 and Chase Ross at 52 on his NBA Big Board.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2024, 07:07:42 AMhttps://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1863908386519351613?t=FSnmRCZfa5xeVk15RcLiEQ&s=19
Sam Vecenie has Kam Jones at 20 and Chase Ross at 52 on his NBA Big Board.
This makes a lot of sense. Kam's demonstrating legit PG skills and better defense to go a long with his scoring prowess. As a SG, he wouldn't stand out but as a big PG or combo G off the bench he has much more appeal.
Chase has improved a lot this year, too. His defense was always good, but it's taken a noticeable leap this year. Chase has also improved his ball handling, passing, and shooting to the point where he looks like a legitimate guard, not just an athlete. I don't think Chase's draft stock has peaked yet. With a strong year, he could be an early entry candidate. At the very least, he would be very much on the NBA radar as a senior next year.
The last piece for Chase is being able to use his athleticism to get to the rim more effectively. He's still slower than he should be on the dribble drive.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 03, 2024, 09:32:41 AMThis makes a lot of sense. Kam's demonstrating legit PG skills and better defense to go a long with his scoring prowess. As a SG, he wouldn't stand out but as a big PG or combo G off the bench he has much more appeal.
Chase has improved a lot this year, too. His defense was always good, but it's taken a noticeable leap this year. Chase has also improved his ball handling, passing, and shooting to the point where he looks like a legitimate guard, not just an athlete. I don't think Chase's draft stock has peaked yet. With a strong year, he could be an early entry candidate. At the very least, he would be very much on the NBA radar as a senior next year.
Unfortunately for us I think Chase may be in more of a position to leave early than Kam was. Kam had reasons to come back and show he could run a team, Chase will never do that.
His best chance may be now. I'll worry about that later though and enjoy him now!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2024, 07:07:42 AMhttps://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1863908386519351613?t=FSnmRCZfa5xeVk15RcLiEQ&s=19
Sam Vecenie has Kam Jones at 20 and Chase Ross at 52 on his NBA Big Board.
Vecenie has always been super bullish on Marquette guys in the Shaka era. Nice to see that continuing.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2024, 10:53:34 AMUnfortunately for us I think Chase may be in more of a position to leave early than Kam was. Kam had reasons to come back and show he could run a team, Chase will never do that.
His best chance may be now. I'll worry about that later though and enjoy him now!
I'm not so sure. Next year would be Chase's chance to be "the guy." Right now, he's always going to be seen as the Robin to Kam's Batman.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 03, 2024, 09:38:23 AMThe last piece for Chase is being able to use his athleticism to get to the rim more effectively. He's still slower than he should be on the dribble drive.
That's only important for him if he's to become an NBA starter. As a bench player it's less important.
Chase can do a lot of the stuff NBA teams want role players to do. I can easily see Chase in a role similar to Pat Connaughton.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on December 03, 2024, 11:08:34 AMVecenie has always been super bullish on Marquette guys in the Shaka era. Nice to see that continuing.
I'm not so sure. Next year would be Chase's chance to be "the guy." Right now, he's always going to be seen as the Robin to Kam's Batman.
I was going to say the same thing. But an even more important factor is money. If Chase becomes a top 40 pick, it makes sense to leave. Otherwise things get a bit more fuzzy.
Vecenie on Kam:
Marquette's Kam Jones has been outstanding so far, and he's about as efficient a scoring guard as you'll find. His passing also has continued to make strides since he took over as Marquette's primary playmaker after Tyler Kolek went out late last year with an injury. Any of those four seem like the best bet right now.
And on Chase:
Marquette wing Chase Ross has been a demon on defense, as disruptive as I've seen any player this season.
FWIW, Vecenie's board lists both at 6-5.
Also, he says that being in the top 30 or top 60 doesn't necessarily mean he thinks a team will draft the player because of a variety of factors.
I think if Kam continues to produce this efficiently as a playmaker through conference play he'll flirt with the lottery. The only real knock is athleticism and that concern is significantly mitigated if he can play point. His defensive improvement has probably helped him address that too.
Chase gowne. #pray
Oso with his 2nd career start has 6 1st quarter points against Wembanyama and the Spurs.
Can't believe Oso won the tip against Wemby
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 03, 2024, 08:47:41 PMCan't believe Oso won the tip against Wemby
Nice!!
Oso: 3-3
Wemby: 0-7
:)
I watched TKO get in at garbage time and miss two 3's. One, an air ball. Ouch.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 03, 2024, 04:33:39 PMI think if Kam continues to produce this efficiently as a playmaker through conference play he'll flirt with the lottery. The only real knock is athleticism and that concern is significantly mitigated if he can play point. His defensive improvement has probably helped him address that too.
The real knock on him is his age. Guys that old are rarely lottery picks (see Dalton Knecht). He may well be good enough to be a lottery pick, but I would be very surprised if it happened.
Quote from: Jockey on December 03, 2024, 09:54:21 PMThe real knock on him is his age. Guys that old are rarely lottery picks (see Dalton Knecht). He may well be good enough to be a lottery pick, but I would be very surprised if it happened.
He's a better scorer than Knecht, but not quite as good of a knock down shooter.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2024, 08:32:32 PMOso with his 2nd career start has 6 1st quarter points against Wembanyama and the Spurs.
28 and 30 minutes in last two games. Duncan injured last night- playing time likely to continue.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2024, 10:01:25 PMHe's a better scorer than Knecht, but not quite as good of a knock down shooter.
Yeah...no. Just the opposite, honestly. Knecht averaged 22 points per game last year...at Tennessee. That might as well be 30 ppg for your average high major program. He's averaging 12 ppg in the NBA right now. Knecht is a bucket. He's a good shooter, but never shot above 40% from 3 in college. Kam shot 41% from 3 last year and is currently shooting 44% from 3 this year.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on December 04, 2024, 06:44:13 AM28 and 30 minutes in last two games. Duncan injured last night- playing time likely to continue.
Tim Duncan came out of retirement and joined the Suns?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2024, 09:30:51 AMTim Duncan came out of retirement and joined the Suns?
Oso could learn a lot from him
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2024, 09:29:33 AMYeah...no. Just the opposite, honestly. Knecht averaged 22 points per game last year...at Tennessee. That might as well be 30 ppg for your average high major program. He's averaging 12 ppg in the NBA right now. Knecht is a bucket. He's a good shooter, but never shot above 40% from 3 in college. Kam shot 41% from 3 last year and is currently shooting 44% from 3 this year.
He is shooting 41% from 3 right now...in the NBA.
It is all role based. Knecht profiles as a knock down shooter in the NBA. Kam is much more diverse in his offensive game as a 3 level scorer.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2024, 10:00:34 AMHe is shooting 41% from 3 right now...in the NBA.
It is all role based. Knecht profiles as a knock down shooter in the NBA. Kam is much more diverse in his offensive game as a 3 level scorer.
I feel like you haven't watched Knecth much. He scores at all 3 levels (including the midrange, which Kam does not) and finishes above the rim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRDoE0ExJZI
Knecth can clearly shoot. But he's a bucket getter and playmaker. Again, he averaged 22 ppg playing for Tennessee. He was the 2nd best player in college basketball last year, even with his lack of defensive ability.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2024, 10:15:19 AMI feel like you haven't watched Knecth much. He scores at all 3 levels (including the midrange, which Kam does not) and finishes above the rim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRDoE0ExJZI
Knecth can clearly shoot. But he's a bucket getter and playmaker. Again, he averaged 22 ppg playing for Tennessee. He was the 2nd best player in college basketball last year, even with his lack of defensive ability.
I've watched plenty of Dalton Knecht. Even enough to know how to spell his name!
NBA is a different animal than NCAAB. Kam's game is set up to translate to the NBA IMO where Knecht profiles as primarily a 3 point shooter at that level (Especially in his situation on the Lakers).
117 of his 187 shots have been from behind the arc for the Lakers.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2024, 10:00:34 AMHe is shooting 41% from 3 right now...in the NBA.
It is all role based. Knecht profiles as a knock down shooter in the NBA. Kam is much more diverse in his offensive game as a 3 level scorer.
My post wasn't meant to compare the players. It was to show that older guys tend to not be lottery picks.
But, if we are comparing them, I agree completely with Wades.
Knecht was a better prospect. Longer, maybe quicker, and a better 3 point shooter.
That being said, I think Kam will be in the NBA next year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2024, 10:40:03 AMI've watched plenty of Dalton Knecht. Even enough to know how to spell his name!
NBA is a different animal than NCAAB. Kam's game is set up to translate to the NBA IMO where Knecht profiles as primarily a 3 point shooter at that level (Especially in his situation on the Lakers).
117 of his 187 shots have been from behind the arc for the Lakers.
Unless Kam is going to run point, I don't think his game translates nearly as good as you think it does. He plays below the rim and not enough of a knock down shooter.
Sounds like Jimmy and Miami are heading for divorce court. Sad!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2024, 11:32:07 AMSounds like Jimmy and Miami are heading for divorce court. Sad!
Jimmy Butler wearing out his welcome? Stop the presses!
He's is going to decline his player option for next year (which is smart), and honestly he is too risky for a Supermax extension, so trading him is the best option with them not going anywhere this season.
GLeague
Henry Ellenson continues to dominate! The NBA veteran posted a double-double and tied his career-high in points. Over the past three games, Ellenson is averaging 33.7 PPG and 13 RPG. 💪
https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1868850922031661552?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 17, 2024, 07:07:38 AMGLeague
Henry Ellenson continues to dominate! The NBA veteran posted a double-double and tied his career-high in points. Over the past three games, Ellenson is averaging 33.7 PPG and 13 RPG. 💪
https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1868850922031661552?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
G League no Matta
Weeks away from turning 28 - that's getting up there, hoopswise.
Wally was the better Ellenson
Henry is older, but if you are a serviceable big who can guard the rim and hit some shots, 27 isn't too old. Brook Lopez didn't get to the Bucks until he was 30. Not saying that Henry is a a Brook replacement or anything, but he's of a similar mold.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 17, 2024, 07:07:38 AMGLeague
Henry Ellenson continues to dominate! The NBA veteran posted a double-double and tied his career-high in points. Over the past three games, Ellenson is averaging 33.7 PPG and 13 RPG. 💪
https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1868850922031661552?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
There is no way this photo is of Henry Ellenson. He looks like a cross between Danny Ainge and Toby from The Office.
The Miami Heat left it all on the court during their recent matchup against the Detroit Pistons. Tyler Herro sent the game to overtime, but the Heat were ultimately handed a 125-124 defeat in OT.
Apart from Herro, Jimmy Butler had a terrific game. The 35-year-old carried the team on his back with 35 points, 19 rebounds, and 10 assists.
According to StatMuse, Butler became the first player in 40 years to record a 30-point triple-double with 0 fouls and turnovers.
Yeah, but money changed him. So, there's that, aina?
TKo playing in the G league.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2024, 05:21:59 AMTKo playing in the G league.
I think he's going back and forth on off nights to get some mins. He played 2 mins last night in the Knicks blowout too.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 20, 2024, 05:33:29 AMI think he's going back and forth on off nights to get some mins. He played 2 mins last night in the Knicks blowout too.
Correct. He didn't go to the G League showcase. Not sure what that means either way.
OMax has played better recently with Kleber out.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 04, 2024, 07:12:54 PMUnless Kam is going to run point, I don't think his game translates nearly as good as you think it does. He plays below the rim and not enough of a knock down shooter.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2024, 09:27:06 AMHenry is older, but if you are a serviceable big who can guard the rim and hit some shots, 27 isn't too old. Brook Lopez didn't get to the Bucks until he was 30. Not saying that Henry is a a Brook replacement or anything, but he's of a similar mold.
LOL at these takes. I don't know if Kam will stick in the NBA, but he will likely get drafted. Possibly in the 1st round. Playing PG this year has boosted his draft stock immensely.
But comparing Henry to Brook Lopez is mind boggling. Brook was an All-Star at 24 and consistently averaged 17-21 PPG for an 8 year stretch. Meanwhile, Henry's playing against HS gym teachers for a team that can't outdraw the EAA museum. To compare the two is just silly.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 20, 2024, 08:03:41 AMLOL at these takes. I don't know if Kam will stick in the NBA, but he will likely get drafted. Possibly in the 1st round. Playing PG this year has boosted his draft stock immensely.
But comparing Henry to Brook Lopez is mind boggling. Brook was an All-Star at 24 and consistently averaged 17-21 PPG for an 8 year stretch. Meanwhile, Henry's playing against HS gym teachers for a team that can't outdraw the EAA museum. To compare the two is just silly.
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote. He clearly isn't in the same ballpark as Brook. He plays a similar game. That's all I was saying.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 20, 2024, 08:03:41 AMBut comparing Henry to Brook Lopez is mind boggling. Brook was an All-Star at 24 and consistently averaged 17-21 PPG for an 8 year stretch. Meanwhile, Henry's playing against HS gym teachers for a team that can't outdraw the EAA museum. To compare the two is just silly.
i dont think the HS gym teachers thing has been true since it was called tbe D League. its a lot better talent now that they connected the two and forced out the aging marginal at best college players who were scared to leave the country.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 20, 2024, 09:19:04 AMApparently you didn't read what I wrote. He clearly isn't in the same ballpark as Brook. He plays a similar game. That's all I was saying.
Similar in the same way that a Grade A ribeye and ground chuck are both beef.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 20, 2024, 09:32:19 AMi dont think the HS gym teachers thing has been true since it was called tbe D League. its a lot better talent now that they connected the two and forced out the aging marginal at best college players who were scared to leave the country.
It's a metaphor.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 20, 2024, 08:03:41 AMMeanwhile, Henry's playing against HS gym teachers for a team that can't outdraw the EAA museum.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 20, 2024, 09:58:15 AMSimilar in the same way that a Grade A ribeye and ground chuck are both beef.
Haha, just wanted to say these are great.
Tyler Kolek, MVP of the G league showcase.
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2024, 05:24:43 PMTyler Kolek, MVP of the G league showcase.
Watched it on ESPN2 last night. He was unstoppable.
10 players got $100,000 for winning the Title. Seems like they called TK down to chase the bag...and succeeded.
TK adds some chump change (😂) to his $9 Million Contract.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2024, 05:39:26 PMWatched it on ESPN2 last night. He was unstoppable.
10 players got $100,000 for winning the Title. Seems like they called TK down to chase the bag...and succeeded.
TK adds some chump change (😂) to his $9 Million Contract.
Should toss it to MU NIL
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 23, 2024, 05:40:53 PMShould toss it to MU NIL
Great idea!
Kolek flew in yesterday for the game after being with the Knicks and in his interview they asked him what it was like to come down for the Championship game and play with a team he is totally accustomed to and he compared it to being a part of a group project where you just show up for the presentation and get an A. Lol.
How would he know, since he can't read?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 04, 2024, 07:12:54 PMUnless Kam is going to run point, I don't think his game translates nearly as good as you think it does. He plays below the rim and not enough of a knock down shooter.
I fell pretty confident Kam's game will be just fine for the NBA, despite being a below the rim player. I wouldn't be surprised to see him taken as a lottery pick.
I think Kam will play in the league. I think lottery pick is optimistic. A 4 year guard with one year at the point is not a typical profile. But, it would be really cool if he were.
Yeah Kam at 23 and below the rim is not going lottery.
But he's gonna get drafted and get a nice contract to prove himself in the league
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 20, 2024, 08:03:41 AMLOL at these takes. I don't know if Kam will stick in the NBA, but he will likely get drafted. Possibly in the 1st round. Playing PG this year has boosted his draft stock immensely.
But comparing Henry to Brook Lopez is mind boggling. Brook was an All-Star at 24 and consistently averaged 17-21 PPG for an 8 year stretch. Meanwhile, Henry's playing against HS gym teachers for a team that can't outdraw the EAA museum. To compare the two is just silly.
Why is your knowledge of the g league stuck in 2007?
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 09:45:31 AMI think Kam will play in the league. I think lottery pick is optimistic. A 4 year guard with one year at the point is not a typical profile. But, it would be really cool if he were.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2024, 09:47:21 AMYeah Kam at 23 and below the rim is not going lottery.
But he's gonna get drafted and get a nice contract to prove himself in the league
The age component of Kam and the lottery are valid for sure. Assuming he continues to play at the level he's been playing thus far, I'd say his age would be the only reason he wouldn't be a lottery pick - yet I think he's just too good to pass on for a 19 year old that may have superstar potential. Here's a great article from this past summer on Kam, NBA prospects, Shaka, etc.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/07/10/kam-jones-may-be-preseason-all-american-after-returning-to-marquette-for-senior-season/74337009007/
We are mostly in agreement. I won't split the hairs any finer.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on December 24, 2024, 10:23:55 AMWhy is your knowledge of the g league stuck in 2007?
Once again, it was a metaphor.
I wonder why Oso still has that push shot?
Nice Oso interview. 5 minute mark and on is all Marquette. More specifically he'll be on campus to accept an award for sports and academics.
https://youtu.be/fIT7ZMlWg4U?si=ySZ5h5e1wsrQzOYN
University of Marquette.
U of M....
Didn't realize there was a "W" in Igg-WHA-darro
Quote from: tower912 on December 27, 2024, 08:06:18 AMUniversity of Marquette.
I redirected the domain to mu.edu instead of scoop because the mods stopped paying me for the traffic. Scoop has fallen on hard times
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 27, 2024, 11:00:55 AMI redirected the domain to mu.edu instead of scoop because the mods stopped paying me for the traffic. Scoop has fallen on hard times
Arby's
ESPN now lists Oso at 7'.
Quote from: tower912 on December 28, 2024, 08:26:18 AMESPN now lists Oso at 7'.
So does the NBA/Suns roster. Just a few months ago they had him at 6'9.5" without shoes at the combine. I wonder if they're now measuring hair.
Just checked the NBA/Cavs roster and they have Jarrett Allen listed at 6'9", so I don't think they're measuring hair.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 30, 2024, 08:19:59 AMSo does the NBA/Suns roster. Just a few months ago they had him at 6'9.5" without shoes at the combine. I wonder if they're now measuring hair.
Just checked the NBA/Cavs roster and they have Jarrett Allen listed at 6'9", so I don't think they're measuring hair.
Amazing how beneficial vitamin d can be for the human body!
https://x.com/Topbunksports/status/1874630161167233450?t=dBx4TyEGMeaD5oElfXcYxQ&s=19
Kolek played 40 minutes and dropped 36 points and 11 dimes in the g league earlier today.
Tonight he's playing in non garbage minutes for the Knicks with Brunson out. 2 points, an assist, and a board so far.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 01, 2025, 08:10:07 PMhttps://x.com/Topbunksports/status/1874630161167233450?t=dBx4TyEGMeaD5oElfXcYxQ&s=19
Kolek played 40 minutes and dropped 36 points and 11 dimes in the g league earlier today.
Tonight he's playing in non garbage minutes for the Knicks with Brunson out. 2 points, an assist, and a board so far.
Wow that is awesome! Tyler ended up with 4 assists! Tyler was also on the Marquette radio broadcast the night earlier for a long time too!
Tyler finished with the second most minutes for a Knicks bench player tonight with....12 minutes. Precious Achiuwa had the most with 13. Holy crap Thibs it's the regular season, no wonder your starters are run down by the postseason
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 01, 2025, 10:05:12 PMTyler finished with the second most minutes for a Knicks bench player tonight with....12 minutes. Precious Achiuwa had the most with 13. Holy crap Thibs it's the regular season, no wonder your starters are run down by the postseason
I've long thought Thibs would be better as a college coach. He could run players like that, be a complete obsessive nutcase and it'd actually lead to meaningful results that haven't happened in the NBA.
Jimmy Buckets basically asked out of Miami tonight in the postgame. That's as clear you can be aside from actually saying "trade me".
https://x.com/WorldWideWob/status/1875017553002872976?t=PoP2MS1lZuPLAgiZuiXjlA&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 09:40:22 PMJimmy Buckets basically asked out of Miami tonight in the postgame. That's as clear you can be aside from actually saying "trade me".
https://x.com/WorldWideWob/status/1875017553002872976?t=PoP2MS1lZuPLAgiZuiXjlA&s=19
Bobby Portis and Khris Middleton for Jimmy Butler works for me (LOL)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 09:40:22 PMJimmy Buckets basically asked out of Miami tonight in the postgame. That's as clear you can be aside from actually saying "trade me".
https://x.com/WorldWideWob/status/1875017553002872976?t=PoP2MS1lZuPLAgiZuiXjlA&s=19
Soft
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 03, 2025, 07:55:04 AMNot a Warrior, just a Golden Eagle
Guy can't play with anybody without quitting on them, like he quit being a Marquette alum.
In retrospect, the 76ers team of Embiid, Simmons and Butler really deserved each other
Job's legacy going down the chitter am I'm sure he doesn't give a chit
Kinda disappointed in how he came from little to playing and earning his way to vixen status but cheezuz dude, ride the bus a little bit man
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 04, 2025, 05:22:11 AMJob's legacy going down the chitter am I'm sure he doesn't give a chit
Kinda disappointed in how he came from little to playing and earning his way to vixen status but cheezuz dude, ride the bus a little bit man
I think his legacy will be more defined by dragging two Heat teams to the Finals than anything. His TWolves exit might be remembered more if only for his legendary story of beating the starters with the bench guys.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 04, 2025, 08:29:48 AMI think his legacy will be more defined by dragging two Heat teams to the Finals than anything. His TWolves exit might be remembered more if only for his legendary story of beating the starters with the bench guys.
His legacy is being another guy that didn't want to play with Tyler Herro, just like the Hausers
I'm sure his Bubble exploits will be a thing of legend as well.
I love watching the guy play and Yes his talent and abilities to carry a team are all there, but a few of his moves (team to team) seem to have a "me" tone to them
Just Jimmy being Jimmy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2025, 09:14:43 AMHis legacy is being another guy that didn't want to play with Tyler Herro, just like the Hausers
The Book of Job: "I had heard reports about you, Tyler Herro, but now my eyes have seen you."
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2025, 10:35:10 AMJust Jimmy being Jimmy.
(https://media.tenor.com/g28E7FbCS_oAAAAM/seinfeld-jimmy.gif)
Marquette's Wesley Matthews is announcing on FS 1 Today. He was the color commentator for the Villanova DePaul game.
Wes was great. Talked about Nique, Jerel, and Novak. He mentioned MU several times.
How will Jimmy feel when his home court is the Fiserv Forum and there are hundreds of Jimmy Butler MU jerseys in the crowd? 😂
Sixers broadcasters are effusive with praise for Oso.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 08:05:16 PMSixers broadcasters are effusive with praise for Oso.
Great game for them to see. Played really well and got some key run
8-6-3 for Oso in 21 mins - more than either of the Suns' other 2 bigs (Plumlee, Nurkic).
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 10:05:02 PM8-6-3 for Oso in 21 mins - more than either of the Suns' other 2 bigs (Plumlee, Nurkic).
And a three point attempt!
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 10:05:02 PM8-6-3 for Oso in 21 mins - more than either of the Suns' other 2 bigs (Plumlee, Nurkic).
Oso is an incredibly smart player, and finds a way to be productive. If he could shoot, he'd have an incredibly high ceiling.
Kam Jones at 15 in the latest 'No Ceilings' Mock Draft
https://x.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1877070084117581903?t=dA5CLxNQmX-p5bWcDSuNaA&s=19
19 in the Athletic
https://www.si.com/nba/heat/report-heat-star-jimmy-butler-in-heated-financial-battle-with-mother-of-children-01jh9etb6j40
Tough stretch for Jimmy
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 10, 2025, 10:22:01 PMhttps://www.si.com/nba/heat/report-heat-star-jimmy-butler-in-heated-financial-battle-with-mother-of-children-01jh9etb6j40
Tough stretch for Jimmy
He's not a good dude
Oso with 9 points on 4-6 shooting in 23 minutes in the Suns' win over Utah.
He appears to have moved past Nurcic to be the main backup at the 5.
I'm sure this is mentioned else where in this thread, but I hate for Kolek that he's on the Knicks, whose coach only plays his starters 40min per game. TKO could easily be playing meaningful min on another team.
Quote from: fjm on January 11, 2025, 09:19:06 PMI'm sure this is mentioned else where in this thread, but I hate for Kolek that he's on the Knicks, whose coach only plays his starters 40min per game. TKO could easily be playing meaningful min on another team.
TKo can't play defense to save his life. He's a gleague allstar at this point.
Being under Thibs will be good for him in the short, medium, and long term. Just like it was for Jimmy under Thibs on the Bulls. TKo will respond to the pressure.
Thibs also has the problem that his starting 5 played like 0 minutes together before this season. He's been forcing chemistry this first half of the season. We'll see how minutes shake out after the all-star break, hopefully Tyler moves up in the rotation.
Oso hasn't attempted a shot but he's got 2 pts 4 boars in 16 first half minutes, +13 in a game they lead by 2
So he's been impactful
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2025, 09:06:43 PMOso hasn't attempted a shot but he's got 2 pts 4 boars in 16 first half minutes, +13 in a game they lead by 2
So he's been impactful
Pig, if true.
Looks like he just won them the ball game.
https://x.com/BE_GoldenEagle/status/1878659616328003797?t=uyQrVij1jRW6WqrsKbLkPw&s=19
Quote from: fjm on January 11, 2025, 09:19:06 PMI'm sure this is mentioned else where in this thread, but I hate for Kolek that he's on the Knicks, whose coach only plays his starters 40min per game. TKO could easily be playing meaningful min on another team.
No doubt. That was cast in stone the minute he got drafted. Thibs doesn't seem to have changed much at all over the years.
30 minutes, including crunch time. Congratulations, young man.
More negative hot takes for the circular file.
https://x.com/YoungNBA/status/1878681279639781535?t=D8OlRGwNRo7jqRy4eVwcnA&s=19
Suns tanking so hard that KD is wearing a Sox hat and Oso playing in crunch time
Edit - A more serious take: Oso is playing so well that Suns fans are learning how to spell Ighodaro. You love to see it!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 13, 2025, 10:30:49 AMSuns tanking so hard that KD is wearing a Sox hat and Oso playing in crunch time
Edit - A more serious take: Oso is playing so well that Suns fans are learning how to spell Ighodaro. You love to see it!
I think it is cool that an NBA superstar wears minor league swag.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 13, 2025, 11:04:31 AMI think it is cool that an NBA superstar wears minor league swag.
Bravo.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 13, 2025, 08:50:37 AMhttps://x.com/YoungNBA/status/1878681279639781535?t=D8OlRGwNRo7jqRy4eVwcnA&s=19
One of the top 20 players in NBA history is "just grateful" that Oso is on his team. Nice!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 12, 2025, 12:18:08 AMTKo can't play defense to save his life. He's a gleague allstar at this point.
Being under Thibs will be good for him in the short, medium, and long term. Just like it was for Jimmy under Thibs on the Bulls. TKo will respond to the pressure.
Thibs also has the problem that his starting 5 played like 0 minutes together before this season. He's been forcing chemistry this first half of the season. We'll see how minutes shake out after the all-star break, hopefully Tyler moves up in the rotation.
Agree with all of this.
TK gets to learn from one of the best PGs in the world - a guy to whom he has been compared. He's a good student of the game. This experience will make him better.
https://www.instagram.com/gtvhoops/p/DBz35WzMG8k/?img_index=1
The Nowitski of the G-League
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2025, 03:08:37 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/gtvhoops/p/DBz35WzMG8k/?img_index=1
The Nowitski of the G-League
Smoke & mirrors
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2025, 03:08:37 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/gtvhoops/p/DBz35WzMG8k/?img_index=1
The Nowitski of the G-League
That's certainly a take.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdhzqpEpBiY
Kolek on the pod. Pretty fun listen.
Quote from: zcg2013 on January 16, 2025, 03:31:48 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdhzqpEpBiY
Kolek on the pod. Pretty fun listen.
The part where that have him read is pretty funny.
There are some major rumblings going on about the Bucks and Jimmy Butler.
That would be pretty awesome to have him back close to the program. He's a great guy for this group to model their game after (on the court that is).
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2025, 06:21:00 PMThere are some major rumblings going on about the Bucks and Jimmy Butler.
That would be pretty awesome to have him back close to the program. He's a great guy for this group to model their game after (on the court that is).
Seems more like he's just going to continue with the Heat.
Not sure a veteran, old team really needs an always disgruntled vet to model their game after, but sure.
Jimmy'd be more likely to stop by the Klotche than the Al.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2025, 06:21:00 PMThere are some major rumblings going on about the Bucks and Jimmy Butler.
That would be pretty awesome to have him back close to the program. He's a great guy for this group to model their game after (on the court that is).
It'd actually be pretty hilarious to see Jimmy be coached by an alum, in the city he crapped on, near his Alma matter he pretends he didn't go to that supplies a ton of fans.
And I wouldn't count on him suddenly embracing MU unless Bucks management told him it is necessary for some PR reason.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2025, 10:29:27 PMIt'd actually be pretty hilarious to see Jimmy be coached by an alum, in the city he crapped on, near his Alma matter he pretends he didn't go to that supplies a ton of fans.
And I wouldn't count on him suddenly embracing MU unless Bucks management told him it is necessary for some PR reason.
How did he crap on Milwaukee?
Quote from: The Sultan on January 16, 2025, 10:30:41 PMHow did he crap on Milwaukee?
57 points in a game against the Bucks and eliminating them in MKE.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 16, 2025, 10:30:41 PMHow did he crap on Milwaukee?
One of the games against MKE he was on a hot mic yelling get me out of this city, Tyler Junior college for life! Pretty sure he used an adjective before city, might be misremembering.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2025, 10:29:27 PMAnd I wouldn't count on him suddenly embracing MU unless Bucks management told him it is necessary for some PR reason.
What in Jimmy's history makes you believe that the way to get him to do something is to have "management" tell him he needs to?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2025, 10:52:36 PMOne of the games against MKE he was on a hot mic yelling get me out of this city, Tyler Junior college for life! Pretty sure he used an adjective before city, might be misremembering.
Jimmy plays a character, and his favorite is playing the heel.
Also, a bit ago I was joking that Jimmy would end up in Milwaukee... Honestly, I'm 100% for it. Even if it breaks up the team a bit it might put that dog in GA.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2025, 10:52:36 PMOne of the games against MKE he was on a hot mic yelling get me out of this city, Tyler Junior college for life! Pretty sure he used an adjective before city, might be misremembering.
Ok. I guess I'm not that sensitive about it.
Bucks were interested when he wanted out of Minnesota and Giannis said no. Why would he want an older more disruptive Butler now.
Didn't he say "no" cause it would have cost them Khris?
Regardless, if he thinks he is the key to a championship...
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 08:14:27 AMDidn't he say "no" cause it would have cost them Khris?
Regardless, if he thinks he is the key to a championship...
Yes but I would think they would still have to move him.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 08:14:27 AMDidn't he say "no" cause it would have cost them Khris?
Regardless, if he thinks he is the key to a championship...
It would have been the right move then, as it would be now.
I think Giannis' biggest weakness is his loyalty to his friends, when winning championships is a business.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 17, 2025, 08:42:29 AMIt would have been the right move then, as it would be now.
I think Giannis' biggest weakness is his loyalty to his friends, when winning championships is a business.
I'm not sure it was the wrong move. They won a Championship and Khris has had some great playoff performances. Plus, who knows how long Jimmy would have stayed with the Bucks.
With injuries and having already won a championship, Giannis might be more willing to let the Bucks trade Khris. I saw a post saying Middleton's house is for sale, but might mean nothing.
Giannis isn't from around here.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 17, 2025, 08:51:38 AMI'm not sure it was the wrong move. They won a Championship and Khris has had some great playoff performances. Plus, who knows how long Jimmy would have stayed with the Bucks.
With injuries and having already won a championship, Giannis might be more willing to let the Bucks trade Khris. I saw a post saying Middleton's house is for sale, but might mean nothing.
Yeah it is hard to say it was the wrong move. The Bucks won a title and Jimmy hasn't.
If Middleton's house is up for sale it could just mean that he is going to opt-out.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 09:01:15 AMYeah it is hard to say it was the wrong move. The Bucks won a title and Jimmy hasn't.
If Middleton's house is up for sale it could just mean that he is going to opt-out.
Yeah, I agree, it is hard to say it, but I will continue to believe that JB has been a better player over the last five years than Khris. Would that have guaranteed championship? Certainly not.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 17, 2025, 09:29:37 AMYeah, I agree, it is hard to say it, but I will continue to believe that JB has been a better player over the last five years than Khris. Would that have guaranteed championship? Certainly not.
I won't disagree that Jimmy has been a better player in that span. Especially with all of Khris' injuries. But yeah, I'm not sure he'd be a better fit at the time for what the Bucks need.
You have to look at when that was, as well. Even though they broke through and got the 2021 title, the 2019 and 2020 versions of the Bucks were probably the peak of this window. Especially before the COVID shutdown, they were a wagon. It would have been silly to break that group up.
Jimmy to the Bucks would screw MU and the BE
Oso's playing time is probably going to be decreased now that the Suns have acquired Nick Richards from the Hornets. Richards is no star, but he is a defense-minded 7-footer who can block shots and who runs the court well.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 07:06:57 AMOk. I guess I'm not that sensitive about it.
Huh? Can't tell if you're trying to be weirdly passive aggressive or not.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 17, 2025, 05:33:15 AMWhat in Jimmy's history makes you believe that the way to get him to do something is to have "management" tell him he needs to?
I figured the early 2000s Fall Out Boy fan look was definitely a management decision
QuoteI figured the early 2000s Fall Out Boy fan look was definitely a management decision
No way. That is all Jimmy. He is his own guy. I mean, he walked around Marquette with a pink Hannah Montana back pack. He is unashamed to be himself... and it is my favorite thing about him. Warts and all.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 09:01:15 AMYeah it is hard to say it was the wrong move. The Bucks won a title and Jimmy hasn't.
If Middleton's house is up for sale it could just mean that he is going to opt-out.
I don't think the house going for sale means anything, but my god that would be incredible for the Bucks if Middleton opted out of $34MM next year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2025, 10:52:40 AMHuh? Can't tell if you're trying to be weirdly passive aggressive or not.
I don't find what Butler said was trashing Milwaukee.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 11:46:42 AMI don't find what Butler said was trashing Milwaukee.
If said adjective that I can't remember was "crap" or "trash" then it'd be hard to argue otherwise but I guess to each their own idk what you'd consider trashing a city then.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2025, 12:05:47 PMIf said adjective that I can't remember was "crap" or "trash" then it'd be hard to argue otherwise but I guess to each their own idk what you'd consider trashing a city then.
Can't tell if you're trying to be weirdly passive aggressive or not.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 12:09:45 PMCan't tell if you're trying to be weirdly passive aggressive or not.
::) pretty obviously not... My response is clearly saying you do you. Yours was pretty clearly trying to insinuate it's being overly sensitive to say someone using a negative adjective about a city is... trashing a city. Which is an odd contrarian position to take.
If a CBB player said "get me away from this trash university" regarding MU it's pretty unarguable they're trashing MU. The same would then hold true about saying the same about a city. This is just you arguing for arguments sake.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2025, 12:19:43 PM::) pretty obviously not... My response is clearly saying you do you. Yours was pretty clearly trying to insinuate it's being overly sensitive to say someone using a negative adjective about a city is... trashing a city. Which is an odd contrarian position to take.
If a CBB player said "get me away from this trash university" regarding MU it's pretty unarguable they're trashing MU. The same would then hold true about saying the same about a city. This is just you arguing for arguments sake.
Really? You just responded with two paragraphs! 😂😂😂
Sensitive guy you are.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 17, 2025, 12:24:55 PMReally? You just responded with two paragraphs! 😂😂😂
Sensitive guy you are.
So you woke up today and thought let me troll to get someone worked up to make myself feel good? That's rather gross.
https://x.com/NBA/status/1880438408994255057?t=5YtBQFG_XjfNVMy7WOW2KA&s=19
Having attended and watched my first full Bucks game tonight, I feel like Jimmy would improve this team. Unless the plan is to ramp Khris up for the playoffs, they'd be trading 2 bench guys and a DNP'r (Khris, Bobby, and Pat) for a starter.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 17, 2025, 10:37:07 PMHaving attended and watched my first full Bucks game tonight, I feel like Jimmy would improve this team. Unless the plan is to ramp Khris up for the playoffs, they'd be trading 2 bench guys and a DNP'r (Khris, Bobby, and Pat) for a starter.
I have no idea if it was a message on trade, but 2 days ago Giannis posted a selfie on the bench. He was between Kris and Dame and said "we only want positivity here"
OMax has 6 points and 7 rebounds at halftime right now against the Hornets.
Game is on NBAtv for anyone interested in watching the 2nd half.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2025, 12:15:48 PMOMax has 6 points and 7 rebounds at halftime right now against the Hornets.
Game is on NBAtv for anyone interested in watching the 2nd half.
Finished with 6 pts and career-high 8 rebs in 19 minutes.
With Doncic out and a couple other Mavs hurting, OMax recently has been getting his first non-garbage-time PT.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 17, 2025, 11:39:53 PMI have no idea if it was a message on trade, but 2 days ago Giannis posted a selfie on the bench. He was between Kris and Dame and said "we only want positivity here"
That's nice. Maybe they can win some games too.
As long as they're having fun, who cares!
Jimmy wore Suns colored shoes during the game last night and just got suspended 2 more games for missing a team flight today.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 04:17:08 PMJimmy wore Suns colored shoes during the game last night and just got suspended 2 more games for missing a team flight today.
I do enjoy that he is absolutely tanking his trade value to the point that it is actively hurting the Heat and himself.
This is a shocking development.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 22, 2025, 04:29:26 PMThis is a shocking development.
It's great, to be honest.
Hahahahaha just realized the flight he missed was to Milwaukee. The Heat play the Bucks tomorrow. I hope it comes out one day why he hates it here so much all of a sudden.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 04:36:31 PMHahahahaha just realized the flight he missed was to Milwaukee. The Heat play the Bucks tomorrow. I hope it comes out one day why he hates it here so much all of a sudden.
Probably not even allowed in this city.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 22, 2025, 04:57:49 PMProbably not even allowed in this city.
Not without a lawyer, anyway
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 04:36:31 PMHahahahaha just realized the flight he missed was to Milwaukee. The Heat play the Bucks tomorrow. I hope it comes out one day why he hates it here so much all of a sudden.
It's an act. He doesn't hate Milwaukee enough to skip. He hates Pat Riley enough to ruin the tail end of his career.
The Heat are at the "find out" portion of of the acronym.
OMax starting for the Mavs on ESPN tonight
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 04:17:08 PMJimmy wore Suns colored shoes during the game last night and just got suspended 2 more games for missing a team flight today.
C-A-N-C-E-R
An elephant doesn't change his stripes.
OMax has 13 points at halftime against the 1 seed Thunder.
4-5 from the field. 4-5 from the FT line.
Good for him. Always a fan.
Quote from: Jockey on January 22, 2025, 07:07:09 PMC-A-N-C-E-R
An elephant doesn't change his stripes.
Serious question: Was Butler a "cancer" when he was carrying the Heat to two NBA Finals? Maybe he was in remission.
Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2025, 09:14:31 PMSerious question: Was Butler a "cancer" when he was carrying the Heat to two NBA Finals? Maybe he was in remission.
Serious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.
However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.
Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2025, 09:26:36 PMSerious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.
However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.
Actually, the Heat didn't want to dump him.
He's intent on forcing his way out, and looking like a 4-year-old in the process.
But no, he definitely was not a "cancer" with the heat before recently. If you have evidence otherwise, please share it.
Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2025, 09:26:36 PMSerious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.
However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.
Jimmy definitely handles things like a it's my way or the highway child
But to say teams can't wIt to dump him is absurdly incorrect
His issues in Minnesota and Miami are both him literally trying to force them to not keep him there
I think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).
I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.
Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.
Jimmy Butler is way better at his profession than Jaire is at his.
And that's the point that people are making.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 24, 2025, 12:00:27 PMJimmy Butler is way better at his profession than Jaire is at his.
And that's the point that people are making.
When healthy, they are pretty close. Jaire has been all-2nd team twice. Jimmy has been all-2nd team once (3rd team a few times). My personal feeling is it is quite a bit harder to be all-pro 2nd team in hoops as opposed to football.
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).
I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.
Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.
Like any of us, you are allowed to have favorite and least-favorite athletes.
But your statement that Miami was trying to dump him because he's a cancer (or for any reason at all) was inaccurate and showed your bias.
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).
Joey says hi.
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).
I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.
Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.
Some Marquette alum and fans think it's a plus Jimmy acts the way he does towards Marquette
Jimmy had important stuff to do instead of making the plane:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2025/01/23/so-where-was-jimmy-butler-on-day-heat-flew-to-milwaukee-pr-firm-issues-details/
That followed from a subject line of: Jimmy Butler unexpectedly attends Reserve Cup Draft Dinner amid suspension.
As in the Reserve Cup in Miami, a championship event for padel, a racquet sport that is similar to tennis but played in an enclosed court with walls, one that Butler has played and promoted over the years.
The background on Butler's day away, in its entirety, as supplied Thursday by the event's promotion, along with a photo of the event held the same day as the Heat's team flight to Milwaukee:
Nick Richards is a solid NBA center and was a great pickup by the Suns. He quickly took over for Miles Plumlee in the starting lineup and had 20 points and 19 rebounds last night. Oso, whose playing time has decreased since the trade, never got in the game.
TK and OMax played only sparingly for NY and Dal last night, with neither scoring.
Jimmy suspended indefinitely after walking out of practice today when they told him he wouldn't be starting.
Butler has had issues with every organization he's played for.
What's the common denominator in each of those situations?
I'm not sure if "cancer" is the right descriptor but he eventually becomes a problem wherever he plays.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 27, 2025, 03:32:55 PMButler has had issues with every organization he's played for.
What's the common denominator in each of those situations?
I'm not sure if "cancer" is the right descriptor but he eventually becomes a problem wherever he plays.
It's business. Jimmy thinks his production is worth extending...the Heat feel he's too old to extend. He wants to play for someone that sees his value. All too common in sports with aging athletes that can still produce.
Good little back and forth here from Chuck and Shaq on Jimmy.
https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1882625059396927613?t=Htfjxy-9Q6ga1uiSydYtBw&s=19
Jimmy is the problem
Someone on another board speculated if his repeated sabotaging of relationships is a result of the trauma he dealt with when his parents kicked him out of the house as a child.
No idea if that's actually the case but it wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 03:40:46 PMIt's business. Jimmy thinks his production is worth extending...the Heat feel he's too old to extend. He wants to play for someone that sees his value. All too common in sports with aging athletes that can still produce.
Good little back and forth here from Chuck and Shaq on Jimmy.
https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1882625059396927613?t=Htfjxy-9Q6ga1uiSydYtBw&s=19
It's business for every player in the NBA. Many players deserve extensions as early as possible. Not many act like Jimmy Butler when he doesn't get it immediately.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2025, 04:09:00 PMIt's business for every player in the NBA. Many players deserve extensions as early as possible. Not many act like Jimmy Butler when he doesn't get it immediately.
Not many players are this good late into their career to even have a chance to sign a max level extension at that age. He's closer to 40 than 30 and an extension would probably take him to age 40 at least. This isn't all that uncommon.
Wade left Miami once for money that the same Pat Riley didn't want to give him, Shaq explains that he did it multiple times. Durant demanded a trade from Brooklyn. It happens with high level players that don't have the situation they hoped for. 🤷
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:17:47 PMNot many players are this good late into their career to even have a chance to sign a max level extension at that age. He's closer to 40 than 30 and an extension would probably take him to age 40 at least. This isn't all that uncommon.
Wade left Miami once for money that the same Pat Riley didn't want to give him, Shaq explains that he did it multiple times. Durant demanded a trade from Brooklyn. It happens with high level players that don't have the situation they hoped for. 🤷
Was Butler, Shaq or Durant repeaedly suspended or conducted themselves the way Butler is now?
A business decision by Jimmy. And by Riley.
Quote from: tower912 on January 27, 2025, 04:27:55 PMA business decision by Jimmy. And by Riley.
Exactly what it is. Two guys that don't want to back down.
I have no idea if Shaq and Durant got suspended, but I know this was always going to be the case for Jimmy...he's not going to risk injury playing for a team that doesn't want to commit to him in the future.
That's business between billionaires and millionaires...and always will be.
I'm not sure what exactly this Butler saga accomplishes Tower.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:41:50 PMExactly what it is. Two guys that don't want to back down.
I have no idea if Shaq and Durant got suspended, but I know this was always going to be the case for Jimmy...he's not going to risk injury playing for a team that doesn't want to commit to him in the future.
That's business between billionaires and millionaires...and always will be.
I will give you some history - Shaq, Durant and Wade were not suspended for reasons around their contract.. How Butler is handling this does not happen all of the time. It is a clear outlier. My guess is you are giving him a pass because he's a Marquette guy.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:17:47 PMNot many players are this good late into their career to even have a chance to sign a max level extension at that age. He's closer to 40 than 30 and an extension would probably take him to age 40 at least. This isn't all that uncommon.
Wade left Miami once for money that the same Pat Riley didn't want to give him, Shaq explains that he did it multiple times. Durant demanded a trade from Brooklyn. It happens with high level players that don't have the situation they hoped for. 🤷
But Jimmy did it when he was 25...and 30...and now 36...
It's not just a one time thing, Jimmy trying to secure his future and get that one last contract. It's every contract he's ever been under. This is who Jimmy is.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 27, 2025, 04:46:19 PMI will give you some history - Shaq, Durant and Wade were not suspended for reasons around their contract.. How Butler is handling this does not happen all of the time. It is a clear outlier. My guess is you are giving him a pass because he's a Marquette guy.
I have no reason to hate on what another guy does with his career. The situation has nothing to do with me and that's why I won't judge. It just is what it is to me.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:49:45 PMI have no reason to hate on what another guy does with his career. The situation has nothing to do with me and that's why I won't judge. It just is what it is to me.
That's fine - I don't care if you care. But you made false equivalencies and are now shifting the goalposts because those equivalencies were obviously absurd.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 03:40:46 PMIt's business. Jimmy thinks his production is worth extending...the Heat feel he's too old to extend. He wants to play for someone that sees his value. All too common in sports with aging athletes that can still produce.
Good little back and forth here from Chuck and Shaq on Jimmy.
https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1882625059396927613?t=Htfjxy-9Q6ga1uiSydYtBw&s=19
Come on, dude. If this was the first time this had happened, sure.
But it was just business with the Bulls, Wolves, and Sixers too, right?
Quote from: The Sultan on January 27, 2025, 04:53:00 PMThat's fine - I don't care if you care. But you made false equivalencies and are now shifting the goalposts because those equivalencies were obviously absurd.
Lol. Here we go again.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:57:05 PMLol. Here we go again.
Did I get something wrong? That is clearly what you are doing here. YOU were the one who brought up Durant, Wade and Shaq in the first place.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 27, 2025, 04:54:49 PMCome on, dude. If this was the first time this had happened, sure.
But it was just business with the Bulls, Wolves, and Sixers too, right?
Idk. It seems like he has gotten what he wanted in every scenario so far...and it seems like he will again.
Everyone handles scenarios differently, but the goal is the same.
To me, it just is what it is, and I'm in no position to be telling someone how they should go about their business or setting standards for how they go about their business.
If others want to be angry with him or bury him, so be it.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 05:02:36 PMIdk. It seems like he has gotten what he wanted in every scenario so far...and it seems like he will again.
Everyone handles scenarios differently, but the goal is the same.
To me, it just is what it is, and I'm in no position to be telling someone how they should go about their business or setting standards for how they go about their business.
If others want to be angry with him or bury him, so be it.
I'm sure he appreciates that.
Jimmy Butler is a d-bag
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2025, 05:39:19 PMJimmy Butler is a d-bag
Perhaps you should give him a call and discuss what the H his problem with Marquette is?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 27, 2025, 06:02:51 PMPerhaps you should give him a call and discuss what the H his problem with Marquette is?
Pass
When in doubt, assume it all about the filthy lucre.
OMax has 11 points, 4 rebounds, and an assist at halftime. Mavericks up 73-43.
Hopefully he gets enough time in the 2nd half to have a 20 point game!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 08:32:04 PMOMax has 11 points, 4 rebounds, and an assist at halftime. Mavericks up 73-43.
Hopefully he gets enough time in the 2nd half to have a 20 point game!
He did it!
OMax finishes with 20 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 27, 2025, 04:54:49 PMCome on, dude. If this was the first time this had happened, sure.
But it was just business with the Bulls, Wolves, and Sixers too, right?
Not totally defending Butler but, Bulls were not willing to pay anyone at that point, @Wolves he was right the young talent didn't want to give full effort, @76ers combination of Wolves situation(Embiid acknowledge they could had been better) and Jimmy being selfish. At Heat I believe Riley could have been smarter, but he has a big ego like Jimmy. So it became a battle of egos.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 09:43:12 PMHe did it!
OMax finishes with 20 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist!
Sweet!!
Jimmy allegedly told Pat Riley to lace them up and guard him during a team meeting. 🤣 Wonder if Pat's response was something along the lines of, "My 9 NBA championship rings weigh be down too much to guard someone with none."
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 08:53:55 PMJimmy allegedly told Pat Riley to lace them up and guard him during a team meeting. 🤣 Wonder if Pat's response was something along the lines of, "My 9 NBA championship rings weigh be down too much to guard someone with none."
I think that was a spoof, but I hope it is true haha
I swear at some point in the next decade Jimmy Butler will be dining with Kim Jong Un
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 28, 2025, 10:02:17 PMI swear at some point in the next decade Jimmy Butler will be dining with Kim Jong Un
Probably when he's in Washington at the 2028 dictators retreat
Luka to the Lakers for AD, not made up.
Has nothing to do with MU hoops, but I wonder if that's a bigger shock than losing wire to wire when you're supposed to win by 23 according to shot quality.
Wonder what trade quality says here
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2025, 11:54:34 PMLuka to the Lakers for AD, not made up.
Has nothing to do with MU hoops, but I wonder if that's a bigger shock than losing wire to wire when you're supposed to win by 23 according to shot quality.
Wonder what trade quality says here
Being discussed in the NBA Superbar topic.
Hey, OMAX got the start today with the shorthanded Mavs after the trade. They are down 56-21 at the moment, but he got the start.
Luka was so good for us in 2017, Wojo's crown jewel
Omax fell into 10/6/4.
Maybe Jimmy just wants to retire?
https://x.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1886240555207933992?t=IZWi1ZPIRQXLXoBB1O7DlQ&s=19
Wow! Jimmy to the Warriors and they give him a 2 year extension for $121 Million.
https://x.com/NBAonTNT/status/1887319057294389551?t=FhjX61hHBMbLLjhwpuMHxg&s=19
Hey, a Marquette Warrior!
(Ducks and runs away)
$60MM+ for an old (in NBA age) malcontent is something.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 09:07:12 PMHey, a Marquette Warrior!
(Ducks and runs away)
Hahaha nice.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 09:07:12 PMHey, a Marquette Warrior!
(Ducks and runs away)
You can run? I'm impressed!
Quote from: wadesworld on February 05, 2025, 09:09:48 PM$60MM+ for an old (in NBA age) malcontent is something.
Many people on Scoop are not the ball-knowers they think they are.
What a fool that Jimmy Butler is, thinking he could force his way out of Miami and into a $60M/year contract extension.
https://x.com/FanDuel/status/1888431635089006851?t=BI00f3tZ4NJmYzd5Kw2yxw&s=19
https://x.com/WarriorsMuse/status/1888436121295900700?t=6oWBQ0_kzEHvhVUAwv0BKg&s=19
That'll play. My goodness.
It was one game against a bad team. It will take awhile to see how it plays out.
Better than losing one game against a bad team, aina?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 08, 2025, 09:41:51 PMhttps://x.com/FanDuel/status/1888431635089006851?t=BI00f3tZ4NJmYzd5Kw2yxw&s=19
Just so happy for Jimmy. Always exudes class. I'll be pulling for him to get his championship. Just a wonderful human being. Good for him.
Jimmy mentioned Marquette.
We're back!
https://x.com/NBATV/status/1889120689438826623?t=IOiY56Klc7dpvh1adAwpTQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 10, 2025, 07:28:47 PMJimmy mentioned Marquette.
We're back!
https://x.com/NBATV/status/1889120689438826623?t=IOiY56Klc7dpvh1adAwpTQ&s=19
Always the trouble maker, speaking in foreign languages....
OMax getting decent minutes recently.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2025, 07:13:01 PMOMax getting decent minutes recently.
They traded Luka to clear the path for him is what I heard.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 17, 2025, 07:24:56 PMThey traded Luka to clear the path for him is what I heard.
Would be more reasonable than some of the reasons the Mavs' GM has thrown out there to be honest.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2025, 07:13:01 PMOMax getting decent minutes recently.
But he still falls too much.
Some love him, some hate him, and most are probably in between ... but Jimmy Butler is playing great and helping the Warriors a ton.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2025, 10:54:35 AMSome love him, some hate him, and most are probably in between ... but Jimmy Butler is playing great and helping the Warriors a ton.
Yeah, it's a clear fit which is cool. One more interesting team in the West.
O-Max with 9-2-2 in 24 minutes vs. the Bucks tonight.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 05, 2025, 10:22:43 PMO-Max with 9-2-2 in 24 minutes vs. the Bucks tonight.
Who needs Luka, AD or Kyrie?!?!
Tough news
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1898143009453064387?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Damn.
Did he fall on it?
That sucks! He was playing a ton
Did he fall on it?
Too bad, regardless of how it happened.
That stinks considering how much PT he was gonna continue to get with the other injuries
Sam Hauser with career-high 33 points tonight, including seven 3s in one quarter.
Longtime reader of Scoop, but decided to bite the bullet and make an account.
I've been doing a few NBA check-ins over at Paint Touches, so while we wait for Selection Sunday, check out this little update on Marquette players in the NBA.
https://painttouches.com/2025/03/15/marquette-in-the-nba-march-update/
Let me know if there is a better thread to be posting this stuff to!
Oso fell out of the Suns' rotation in mid-January, and either didn't play or barely played in the next 24 games, during which Phoenix went 10-14 to fall behind in the race for a play-in spot.
He has gotten back into the rotation the last 5 games, averaging 25.8 mpg. He's averaging 7.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 2.0 apg and 1.2 bpg. Had 11 points in one game, 9 rebs in another, 4 blocks in another, 4 assists in another.
The Suns are 3-2 in those 5 games and have crept back into the last play-in spot.
Included in an article in The Athletic was this:
Though Booker, Durant and Bradley Beal carry the most responsibility, the spark has come from two rookies and a newcomer. Rookies Ryan Dunn and Oso Ighodaro have bounced in and out of the rotation all season. This never made much sense considering both provide the energy and athletic ability Phoenix needs most. Dunn has been up and down with his 3-point shooting, but he's the Suns' most versatile defender.
Ighodaro, a springy, 6-foot-11 forward who was a plus-39 in 26 minutes against Toronto, operates under a mindset molded in college. At Marquette, the coaching staff graded players on "Energy Generated Behavior," which is just as it sounds. Chest bumps. High fives. Floor slaps.
"Energy matters," Ighodaro said. "I don't know how many points it's worth on the court, but it adds up."
Oso just cleared out Lopez and Trent Jr. on a screen for the Suns game winner. He's been great the last stretch of games for Phoenix. He was a +39 the other day as well (edited: oops just seeing this mentioned above) and followed that up by playing 44 of 48 minutes in a win against the Cavs.
https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1904391301371658342?t=h7KCTCA1G8KJlUkZYmzZKQ&s=19
https://x.com/realapp_/status/1901849369067884868?t=ngdGrNZ66MuMLXnkpiHU7g&s=19
https://x.com/DuaneRankin/status/1903306949195862364?t=iQ01UAr4V4DIkYVzHoHCBw&s=19
Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on March 24, 2025, 11:45:27 PMOso just cleared out Lopez and Trent Jr. on a screen for the Suns game winner. He's been great the last stretch of games for Phoenix. He was a +39 the other day as well (edited: oops just seeing this mentioned above) and followed that up by playing 44 of 48 minutes in a win against the Cavs.
https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1904391301371658342?t=h7KCTCA1G8KJlUkZYmzZKQ&s=19
https://x.com/realapp_/status/1901849369067884868?t=ngdGrNZ66MuMLXnkpiHU7g&s=19
https://x.com/DuaneRankin/status/1903306949195862364?t=iQ01UAr4V4DIkYVzHoHCBw&s=19
I love Oso. But boy, if that "screen" is legal...
Nice article on Ty.
https://nypost.com/2025/03/25/sports/tyler-kolek-gave-encouraging-glimpse-of-his-knicks-potential/
Kolek has 16 assists (and 6 points) with zero TOs in 35 minutes over the last 2 games. He's absolutely cooking in a distributing role out there in his limited minutes. He's been lights out with KAT on the PnR.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 25, 2025, 08:44:39 PMKolek has 16 assists (and 6 points) with zero TOs in 35 minutes over the last 2 games. He's absolutely cooking in a distributing role out there in his limited minutes. He's been lights out with KAT on the PnR.
Bam. Now he needs to develop a consistent J.
https://x.com/BE_GoldenEagle/status/1904738169272389683?t=4L4XG4U1TnXc9GpHhtc2Gg&s=19
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2025, 10:19:47 AMI love Oso. But boy, if that "screen" is legal...
It was like every other uncalled moving screen in the NBA and college basketball. There's one on almost every play. It's very surprising the 1-2 times a game when one is called.
More importantly, it's great that Oso is playing in crunch time for a team fighting to get into the postseason. That's a lot of trust from his teammates and from Bud. He has earned it.
Great to hear TK finally getting some run from Thibs, too.
OMax was getting more minutes prior to his injury. Good for all of them.
Thibs on TK: "He's a gym rat."
I mean ... duh.
Kam will soon be a former Marquette player in the NBA, so I thought this was as good a place to put mock draft stuff related to him ...
His months-long shooting slump appears to have hurt his standing in the eyes of observers, as he has fallen out of the first round of most mocks I've seen.
Kevin O'Connor of Yahoo Sports updated his 60-player "big board," and had Kam at #53, saying:
Jones offers crafty combo guard skills with advanced shot creation and a blossoming playmaking feel. But his so-so athleticism and streaky shooting paint him as just a cog rather than the rare star upperclassmen set to enter the league.
O'Connor also provided a comparison or two for each player. For Kam it was
Donte DiVincenzo.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2025, 10:51:10 AMO'Connor also provided a comparison or two for each player. For Kam it was
Donte DiVincenzo.
That seems like a terrible comparison. DDV is very athletic and shot the ball way better from deep than Kam did in college. Furthermore DDV was never the primary ball handler at Nova.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 11:05:44 AMThat seems like a terrible comparison. DDV is very athletic and shot the ball way better from deep than Kam did in college. Furthermore DDV was never the primary ball handler at Nova.
I had the same thoughts about DiVicenzo's athletic ability. As for 3-pt shooting ... DDV's career percentage at Nova (.378) was not much better than Kam's career pct at MU (.366), but his final season (.401) was miles better than Kam's (.311). Kam did shoot .406 as a junior, so not sure if NBA types would say, "He's shot 40% so we think he can get there again if he doesn't have all the ballhandling duties" or if they'd say, "from 41% to 31% ... ugh!"
Anyhoo, I agree it wasn't a great comp.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 08:54:26 PMBam. Now he needs to develop a consistent J.
Yeah - 2 for 13 from 3 over the last 7 when he's seeing significant minutes - hard to see how he sticks around in the association unless that turns around, no matter how many dimes he gives out - hope he find the shot.
I'm guessing a team will see Kam as the off-ball shooting specialist and bank on traits that he showed when he wasn't the primary scorer and handler. Not sure that's a first rounder for an older senior but I think he'll get some run as a Malik Beasley if his junior shooting form returns
My Kam comparison is Mike Conley Jr
Tyler isn't good enough to play in the NBA. Ask my brother-in-law
If Kam makes it in the NBA, it will be as a PG
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 03, 2025, 10:15:03 AMIf Kam makes it in the NBA, it will be as a PG
Most likely, but I could see him on a bench as a poor man's Lou Williams too. 15 MPG and in for his scoring, hoping he gets hot.
Quote from: swoopem on April 03, 2025, 08:01:51 AMMy Kam comparison is Mike Conley Jr
He entered the NBA as a pass-first PG with a questionable shot, so I'm not seeing that.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 03, 2025, 10:27:16 AMMost likely, but I could see him on a bench as a poor man's Lou Williams too. 15 MPG and in for his scoring, hoping he gets hot.
Interesting comp.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 03, 2025, 10:27:16 AMMost likely, but I could see him on a bench as a poor man's Lou Williams too. 15 MPG and in for his scoring, hoping he gets hot.
Actually LOVE this comp. He's got a bit better size than Lou Will, but smooth streaky scorers who aren't prototypical 2G height, but can score at every level
The brotherhood
https://x.com/nba_newyork/status/1909065386865127600?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Yahoo Sports has Kam going in the second round, #43 overall to OKC.
Jones offers crafty combo guard skills with advanced shot creation and a blossoming playmaking feel. But his so-so athleticism and streaky shooting paint him as just a cog rather than the rare star upperclassmen set to enter the league.
Butler goes for 38 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals as Golden State sneaks past Memphis in a play-in win that puts the Warriors in the playoffs.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2025, 09:14:16 AMButler goes for 38 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals as Golden State sneaks past Memphis in a play-in win that puts the Warriors in the playoffs.
Butler unlocks another part of his game. More than just Playoff Jimmy, now we get Play-in Jimmy. That man is aging like fine wine.
That ageing will take a hit if he has a sacral fracture. MRI coming.
The $45 Million Sam is 0-fer Boston's first-round series.
Knicks choking. Even the commentators are talking about how bad they look. Imagine if they had a facilitator that wouldn't turn the ball over and we get the ball to the right people inthe right places. They should totally try to draft someone like that.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 01, 2025, 09:00:46 PMKnicks choking. Even the commentators are talking about how bad they look. Imagine if they had a facilitator that wouldn't turn the ball over and we get the ball to the right people inthe right places. They should totally try to draft someone like that.
Don't think this aged as well as it seemed it would