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Title: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BM1090 on October 23, 2018, 09:21:23 PM
We have one for baseball and football so figured I would start this one.

The Bucks are fun.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
Griffin lays 50 tonight. Maybe Doc don't know trades, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 25, 2018, 10:12:54 AM
https://deadspin.com/public-service-announcement-do-not-tug-on-stephs-broth-1829986421

Curry scores 51 last night in typical insane fashion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
https://deadspin.com/public-service-announcement-do-not-tug-on-stephs-broth-1829986421

Curry scores 51 last night in typical insane fashion.

A perfect marriage of sports and entertainment.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 25, 2018, 01:19:57 PM
I really wish I could've heard Budenholzer's thoughts out loud and uncensored the first time he saw the Bucks working out.  Or the first time he sat down to watch film from last year's Bucks season as the new coach of the Bucks.

The guy could be an average NBA coach, but he's going to look like Greg Popovich combined with Brad Stevens just by how awful Kidd/Prunty were.

Force teams to take midrange jumpers?  Don't concede corner 3 pointers, the shortest and most efficient shot in the NBA?  Space the floor around your once in a lifetime freak athlete?  Preach ball movement and perimeter shooting?  What concepts!

Kidd/Prunty were playing Snell/Delly over Brogdon.  What a joke.

Also, as big as it was to get Ersan on the Bucks, it was just as big to get him off of the 6ers, as well as Belinelli.  That team is AWFUL shooting the ball outside of 8 feet.  Simmons trying to finish anything going right is painful to watch.  Fultz looks like he has no confidence whatsoever.  The fact that they start Fultz over Reddick is hilarious, ESPECIALLY given the makeup of the roster.

The Bucks finally made smart offseason moves and they already look like a completely different team.  Should be a fun season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 25, 2018, 01:30:41 PM
Ersan and Donte are nice upgrades to this lineup.  I think they fit what the Bucks are trying to do much better than the likes of Snell, who IMO can still develop a role.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 25, 2018, 02:20:29 PM
Ersan and Donte are nice upgrades to this lineup.  I think they fit what the Bucks are trying to do much better than the likes of Snell, who IMO can still develop a role.

Agreed.  What I like most about Donte is he's a great rebounder for a guard, and he doesn't need shots to contribute.  Really smart playmaker.  Don't think he's ever a featured player in an offense, but think he'll contribute for a number of years.

This team's rebounding should be really good.  Lopez doesn't get rebounds, but he clears out space for everyone else to grab them and get the ball up the floor early.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
4 first round picks for Jimmy B? Sheesh
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2018, 08:53:36 PM
4 first round picks for Jimmy B? Sheesh

The Rockets see the schism between them and the Warriors growing, not narrowing, and they are desperate to win while they have Harden and Paul.

Plus, teams that assume a trade will keep them winning for years don't value first-round picks as highly. There are exceptions, to be sure, but most of the best players are drafted in the first half of the first round. Finally, they can only give up a first-rounder every other year (by NBA rules), so they still will have plenty of first-rounders over the next several years.

One could argue that the Rockets need another 3-point shooter more than Jimmy, but he'd immediately help their lousy defense, and he of course is a great offensive player too.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on October 25, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
The Rockets see the schism between them and the Warriors growing, not narrowing, and they are desperate to win while they have Harden and Paul.

Plus, teams that assume a trade will keep them winning for years don't value first-round picks as highly. There are exceptions, to be sure, but most of the best players are drafted in the first half of the first round. Finally, they can only give up a first-rounder every other year (by NBA rules), so they still will have plenty of first-rounders over the next several years.

One could argue that the Rockets need another 3-point shooter more than Jimmy, but he'd immediately help their lousy defense, and he of course is a great offensive player too.

Jimmy walks in there as the cock of the walk.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on October 25, 2018, 10:18:30 PM
Plus, teams that assume a trade will keep them winning for years don't value first-round picks as highly. There are exceptions, to be sure, but most of the best players are drafted in the first half of the first round. Finally, they can only give up a first-rounder every other year (by NBA rules), so they still will have plenty of first-rounders over the next several years.

Saw they would have to offer 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2025, and they'd all have to be unprotected. That unprotected part is gigantic, and for me tips the scales on making this a bad offer.  First rounders for the next couple of years? Fine, they'll be at worst a middling playoff team so who cares.

But offering unprotected first rounders 5 and 7 years down the road is tremendously risky. A lot will change during that time, and I probably wouldn't trade a single first overall pick for JFB now, taking his contract into account.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on October 26, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
Update from Woj that the "lottery protections around the four picks would be limited." Whatever that means.

Either way, Chris Thompson made the good point on deadspin that this offer highlights the conflict of interest when you make your head coach your GM/top personnel decision maker. In terms of player and draft capital, Min has to make this move. Even taking Butler out of the equation, this would boil down to Kris Dunn, expensive Zach Lavine, and moving down from 7 to 16 in 2017 for four first rounders. No GM passes that up. But when your "GM" is your coach, and that coach is Thibs who doesn't hesitate to put another 250 miles on his star's legs in April just to stay out of the lottery, well...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 26, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
So, the Bucks are 4-0 and the Bulls are 1-3.  That was a short Chicago vs. Milwaukee pissng thread.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Archies Bat on October 26, 2018, 11:45:18 AM
So, the Bucks are 4-0 and the Bulls are 1-3.  That was a short Chicago vs. Milwaukee pissng thread.

Have some faith.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 26, 2018, 12:48:48 PM
So, the Bucks are 4-0 and the Bulls are 1-3.  That was a short Chicago vs. Milwaukee pissng thread.

Did anyone honestly expect any differently? I've been a Pelicans fan for about the past 5 years because of the ineptitude of the Bulls management.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 26, 2018, 12:57:37 PM
Did anyone honestly expect any differently? I've been a Pelicans fan for about the past 5 years because of the ineptitude of the Bulls management.


The Pelicans front office is of pretty much the same caliber as the Bulls.  It's just that they have Anthony Davis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 26, 2018, 07:51:23 PM

The Pelicans front office is of pretty much the same caliber as the Bulls.  It's just that they have Anthony Davis.

At least Demps tried with Boogie. I actually think their squad is pretty solid this season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 26, 2018, 08:30:52 PM
This is the first I’ve watched of the Wolves, but Jimmy’s “leadership” this offseason certainly wasn’t effective if this is any indication. Goodness gracious this team is checked out 5 games into the season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2018, 06:14:48 AM
This is the first I’ve watched of the Wolves, but Jimmy’s “leadership” this offseason certainly wasn’t effective if this is any indication. Goodness gracious this team is checked out 5 games into the season.

They have to trade him, obviously. Hard to imagine them getting a better offer than the Rockets' offer, but maybe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 27, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Jimmy Butler was a nice and humble kid when he got to MU.  And he's got a great story of rising above overwhelming odds to make it huge.   Then he allowed the toxic attitude and ego of vast majority of NBA stars that enable him to become the giant douchebag he is today. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 27, 2018, 12:12:57 PM
Jimmy Butler was a nice and humble kid when he got to MU.  And he's got a great story of rising above overwhelming odds to make it huge.   Then he allowed the toxic attitude and ego of vast majority of NBA stars that enabled him to become the giant douchebag he is today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on October 27, 2018, 12:40:37 PM


It’s like you retweeted yourself.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on October 27, 2018, 12:42:24 PM
Misposted in the top 20 players thread re: the Lakers and upcoming free agents.

—————

Agreed, I just don't think the LAL are trash, and have better players than people realize.

Next two summer's FA has the possibility for the biggest in terms of potential shifting of the tide...

Tier 1
~KD
~Klay
~Kyrie
~Kwaai
~Cousins*

Tier 2
~Jimmy
~Kemba

And then in 2020 you have Draymond and AD...

Wades, do you see a shift back to the East (BOS, Philly, MKE) competing for titles say in the next few years?  Probably depends where KD and AD land, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 27, 2018, 12:44:35 PM
I would not put Klay anywhere near tier one until he can prove he can play on a team without 3 other allstars.

The only reason he gets as much space as he does is because of Curry, KD and co.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 27, 2018, 12:50:59 PM
It’s like you retweeted yourself.

I know, hit quote apparently when I meant to modify.  :)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
I'd rank Kemba ahead of Klay for sure, especially given the premium on scoring PGs. Maybe ahead of Cousins, too, because Kemba will never be a coach-killer.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on October 27, 2018, 01:14:12 PM
Am I on planet Mars where folks would rather have Kemba, than the best shooter in the NBA who plays lockdown defense?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 27, 2018, 01:16:19 PM
Am I on planet Mars where folks would rather have Kemba, than the best shooter in the NBA who plays lockdown defense?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

+1. Kemba is a great scorer. Klay is one of the more underrated player in the NBA (though not even the best shooter on his own team).
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 27, 2018, 01:21:05 PM
Am I on planet Mars where folks would rather have Kemba, than the best shooter in the NBA who plays lockdown defense?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

*2nd best shooter on his team, who has the aid of the best shooter in the NBA, the best scorer in the NBA and the best passing big man.

I would not want Klay Thompson as my franchise player
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on October 27, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
*2nd best shooter on his team, who has the aid of the best shooter in the NBA, the best scorer in the NBA and the best passing big man.

I would not want Klay Thompson as my franchise player

I just think this argument is bunk, basically every #2 with a superstar would fall into it. 

Plus, didn’t say he could be a #1 on a championship NBA team, because I think that list is only 7 or so deep (healthy Kaawai, Steph, KD, AD, Giannis, LBJ, maybe Harden).

But dude would be near the top of my list for a #2. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 27, 2018, 04:47:57 PM
Jimmy Butler was a nice and humble kid when he got to MU.  And he's got a great story of rising above overwhelming odds to make it huge.   Then he allowed the toxic attitude and ego of vast majority of NBA stars that enable him to become the giant douchebag he is today. 


Jimmy isn't the problem. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2018, 06:38:13 PM

Jimmy isn't the problem.

He proved his point in practice and by doing so, he has torn the team down to the ground. Last night was as bad of an effort as you will ever see.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
Is Klay really the Warriors' second best shooter? Would anybody on this board choose him over KD to take a game-winning shot?

I like Klay. He's a fine two-way player and a superb shooter.

Kemba has improved every year he's been in the league, is coming off back-to-back All-Star seasons, and is just entering the prime of his career. So far this season, without a Steph Curry to help him, he is shooting 45% from 3 and averaging 30 ppg early. I'm hoping the Hornets find a way to keep him after this season.

As I said earlier, for me it depends on if one puts a premium on the importance of the PG position. I certainly wouldn't say those who contend Klay is better than Kemba are "wrong."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 07:20:31 PM
Jimmy walks in there as the cock of the walk.



Didn't no ya could say dis here, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 27, 2018, 07:33:30 PM
Jimmy's not the problem.  You guys have no idea how the NBA works.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 27, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
Not necessarily the problem, but also not the solution.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 27, 2018, 07:37:26 PM
Not necessarily the problem, but also not the solution.

I agree with this.  They need to trade him out of there.  Thibs should never have been put in personnel control of an NBA franchise.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 28, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
Watched the Bucks for the first time last night.  The emphasis on ball movement was evident.  Oh, and playing  Bledsoe and Brogdon at the same time should have been done last year.  They are just fine together.

And I didn't know they had signed Pat Connaughton.  He's not going to be big every night, but that guy is going to play a role on this team.  Really bringing him and Snell off the bench really gives you some diverse options given the situation. 

Not saying they are going to win the east, but they are much better coached and have a much better roster than last year.  Still think they need one more guy - but maybe not!  Should be fun.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on October 28, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
Watched the Bucks for the first time last night.  The emphasis on ball movement was evident.  Oh, and playing  Bledsoe and Brogdon at the same time should have been done last year.  They are just fine together.

And I didn't know they had signed Pat Connaughton.  He's not going to be big every night, but that guy is going to play a role on this team.  Really bringing him and Snell off the bench really gives you some diverse options given the situation. 

Not saying they are going to win the east, but they are much better coached and have a much better roster than last year.  Still think they need one more guy - but maybe not!  Should be fun.

It's very early.  But Monday will be an important early measuring stick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2018, 09:20:19 AM
Impressed wit Donte. Dude's gettin' lotsa pt for a rook, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 29, 2018, 11:28:15 AM
Giannis and Kawhi out tonight.  That's a shame.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lazar's Headband on October 29, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
Giannis and Kawhi out tonight.  That's a shame.

Lame!

Edit: Just read Giannis is in concussion protocol.  So not lame on his part. Kawhi still lame.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2018, 12:15:27 PM
Tix prices droppin' fasta than a snowball melts in July, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jay Bee on October 29, 2018, 02:48:54 PM
I went to the Bucks / Wolves Friday. It was brutal.

Going to Lebron at Wolves tonight. I expect ugly things from both teams.

College b-ball only 8 days away.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on October 29, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Going to Lebron at Wolves tonight. I expect ugly things from both teams.

This just has the makings of something stupid happening, doesn't it? JFB trying to prove everything to everyone going up against LBJ, LBJ's band of combustible merry pranksters looking to take offense to everything, both rosters littered with indifferent youngsters.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on October 29, 2018, 08:22:46 PM
Bulls - warriors halftime score? 50-92.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 29, 2018, 09:02:30 PM
Bulls - warriors halftime score? 50-92.


Going out on a limb here and saying the Bucks don't miss Jabari one bit.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on October 29, 2018, 09:15:47 PM
The 1982-83 Lakers, who lost in the NBA Finals, hit 10 three pointers the entire season.  Magic went 0-21 for the year.

Klay has 14 tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 29, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
Damn, did Lowry have some bad oysters before the game? 3 for 14 including 0 for 9 from deep? Whatever the defense he was doing it worked.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on October 29, 2018, 10:00:13 PM
Is Klay really the Warriors' second best shooter? Would anybody on this board choose him over KD to take a game-winning shot?


Klay says scoreboard.

Just messing with you for the record.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: real chili 83 on October 29, 2018, 10:00:38 PM
JFB with daggers tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jay Bee on October 29, 2018, 11:00:23 PM
Wonderful evening at Target Center tonight! Skipped all the way back home! (Pause)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2018, 12:03:11 AM

Going out on a limb here and saying the Bucks don't miss Jabari one bit.

He’s perfecting his defensive talents for the right team. Maybe he was guarding Klay tonite.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2018, 01:14:39 PM
Klay says scoreboard.

Just messing with you for the record.

Didn't need the teal. I appreciate the messing.

Kemba has had games of 41, 39 and 37 this season and his low is 23.

Klay hadn't hit 20 points in a game all season before last night.

I have no problem stating again that I'd take a great scoring PG who consistently excels despite a relative lack of help.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 30, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
Didn't need the teal. I appreciate the messing.

Kemba has had games of 41, 39 and 37 this season and his low is 23.

Klay hadn't hit 20 points in a game all season before last night.

I have no problem stating again that I'd take a great scoring PG who consistently excels despite a relative lack of help.

How's Kaminsky doing?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2018, 03:20:33 PM
How's Kaminsky doing?

Arse is bolted to the bench.

They gave him every opportunity. He can't play D, and he's not a good enough offensive player to overcome that. Taking him over Winslow was a huge mistake, and I said it at the time. Taking Monk over Mitchell last year, same thing. Those are 2 (of many) reasons the Hornets' former GM is now their former GM.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2018, 04:01:42 PM
Arse is bolted to the bench.

They gave him every opportunity. He can't play D, and he's not a good enough offensive player to overcome that. Taking him over Winslow was a huge mistake, and I said it at the time. Taking Monk over Mitchell last year, same thing. Those are 2 (of many) reasons the Hornets' former GM is now their former GM.

Difference is though, that I think Monk can become a very good player. Kaminsky will be a journeyman.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on October 30, 2018, 06:30:21 PM
Pistons moving on from Henry
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/

Unrestricted FA after this season.     Some other NBA team or Europe?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 30, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
Pistons moving on from Henry
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/

Unrestricted FA after this season.     Some other NBA team or Europe?

Europe
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on October 30, 2018, 09:40:30 PM
How's Kaminsky doing?

Going to be fun to think back on Kaminskys career and how MJ passed on 4 firsts for him
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2018, 11:00:49 PM
Difference is though, that I think Monk can become a very good player. Kaminsky will be a journeyman.

I agree with that.

Going to be fun to think back on Kaminskys career and how MJ passed on 4 firsts for him

Huh?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on October 30, 2018, 11:29:01 PM
Huh?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on October 30, 2018, 11:30:07 PM


Huh?

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics   (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics)

Boston wanted Winslow at that spot and offered a haul of 4 first rounders. Hornets said no.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2018, 12:21:16 AM
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics   (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics)

Boston wanted Winslow at that spot and offered a haul of 4 first rounders. Hornets said no.

Ah ... I do recall hearing about that back then now that y'all have reminded me.

All I could think about when 4 first-rounders were mentioned was the recent talk about that offer for Jimmy Butler and I was wondering what that had to do with Kamisky.

Thanks for the reminder.

I'm not a Hornets fan the same way I am a Panthers fan. I'd rather watch LeBron play, or the Warriors play, etc. But I'd rather see the Hornets win than lose. I admit I'd probably get less apathetic about them if they would be any good.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
Good for d Rose
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on October 31, 2018, 10:55:36 PM
Good for d Rose
Happy for him
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2018, 07:00:45 AM
Good for d Rose

That really came out of the blue.

Rose dribbled the ball more in the game than the entire rest of the team combined. I don't think that will go over too well when Jimmy decides to play again.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
Pistons moving on from Henry
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/10/30/detroit-pistons-henry-ellenson/1820979002/

Unrestricted FA after this season.     Some other NBA team or Europe?

To have success in the NBA, Henry has to be able to shoot from distance. Even if he could only defend at a sub-mediocre level, he'd get playing time if he could hit 3s. When the NBA was projecting him as a prospect, they thought he could develop into an effective "stretch 4." The Pistons apparently have decided the experiment is a failure.

Maybe it will happen with another team. I keep thinking about how Spencer Hawes became a guy who could contribute at the NBA level because he developed into a 3-point threat. Shot 30% from distance his first 5 seasons and was considered a major bust, but then became nearly a 40% shooter from behind the arc over his next several years and went on to have a 10-year career in which he earned $48 million.

So maybe Henry still can do it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 04, 2018, 04:09:50 PM
I think Giannis just murdered fellow Greek Kosta Koufos.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fswisconsin/status/1059205717834395648/video/1
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Mutaman on November 04, 2018, 09:14:01 PM
I think Giannis just murdered fellow Greek Kosta Koufos.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fswisconsin/status/1059205717834395648/video/1

"I've met his family, I've met his mother, so it's gonna be kind of awkward when we go back to Greece and talk again. But you've got to do what you've got to do"
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on November 04, 2018, 09:15:39 PM
Lakers players 100% trying to get their coach fired, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 04, 2018, 09:16:27 PM
"I've met his family, I've met his mother, so it's gonna be kind of awkward when we go back to Greece and talk again. But you've got to do what you've got to do"

Haha that’s incredible.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2018, 09:57:08 PM
Lakers players 100% trying to get their coach fired, right?

Surely Lebron would never try to force out a coach mid season that he didn't approve or handpick for one that he did.  Thats not how he's historically operated at all.  Nah.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Surely Lebron would never try to force out a coach mid season that he didn't approve or handpick for one that he did.  Thats not how he's historically operated at all.  Nah.

It seems from afar that Magic is the ringleader on this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2018, 01:00:52 PM
What in the fresh hell

 https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/     (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 05, 2018, 01:28:51 PM
What in the fresh hell

 https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/     (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/)

Those are hideous. Big fan of the Miami Vice style jerseys for the Heat though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TSmith34 on November 05, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
There seems to be a concerted effort across the league to make jerseys successively more hideous.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on November 05, 2018, 02:33:14 PM
Those are hideous. Big fan of the Miami Vice style jerseys for the Heat though.

Fake news, these are 🔥
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2018, 02:38:11 PM
Terrible.  These look like some European club soccer uniforms.  Brutal.

The fact that they took away the "old school" white jerseys from last year to make these...as bad as it gets.  The whites were as clean of a look as you could find.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ZaLiN on November 05, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
Terrible.  These look like some European club soccer uniforms.  Brutal.

The fact that they took away the "old school" white jerseys from last year to make these...as bad as it gets.  The whites were as clean of a look as you could find.

Didn't know Nike brought in a guest designer

(https://media.gq.com/photos/59dfc6d9d61cb80476584e18/3:2/w_640/guy-fieiri-flame.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2018, 02:41:23 PM
Fake news, these are 🔥

I go back and forth depending on the picture.  I honestly think its one of the more creative ones given the inspiration.  Kudos for that.

There seems to be a concerted effort across the league to make jerseys successively more hideous.

This isn't an every day jersey.  Its special edition, city inspired 4th jerseys.  And another example of the NBA "getting it".  This is the kind of mood that creates buzz, good and bad, and also drives merch sales cause these looks  are usually like NOTHING else the teams have, so it can inspire purchases that wont look like every other Bucks/Bulls/etc... piece of apparel you have.

The Heat Miami Vice jerseys are A+++.
The purple Prince themed Twolves jersey is A+++
The Denver Nuggets white with pastel rainbow mountains like the old logo is A++++

Bulls black with the Chicago flag is pretty good.  Brooklyn with the Coogi sweater colored lining in honor of the Notorious BIG is really solid.  The ones that fail are just half assed changes in color or fonts.  Credit to the Bucks for not falling into that trap like the Wizards, Hornets, Magic, that Ive seen so far.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on November 05, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
I love the jerseys.

I think they are only wearing them once or twice.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 05, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
What in the fresh hell

 https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/     (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/)


Nice!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2018, 03:10:08 PM
If Milwaukee is going to produce this type of crap, Seattle can have the franchise.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 05, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
This isn't an every day jersey.  Its special edition, city inspired 4th jerseys.  And another example of the NBA "getting it".  This is the kind of mood that creates buzz, good and bad, and also drives merch sales cause these looks  are usually like NOTHING else the teams have, so it can inspire purchases that wont look like every other Bucks/Bulls/etc... piece of apparel you have.

The Heat Miami Vice jerseys are A+++.
The purple Prince themed Twolves jersey is A+++
The Denver Nuggets white with pastel rainbow mountains like the old logo is A++++

Bulls black with the Chicago flag is pretty good.  Brooklyn with the Coogi sweater colored lining in honor of the Notorious BIG is really solid.  The ones that fail are just half assed changes in color or fonts.  Credit to the Bucks for not falling into that trap like the Wizards, Hornets, Magic, that Ive seen so far.


Exactly.  I think the Brooklyn one is so good that they should keep it for their everyday jersey.

Last year's Cream-City jersey was a bit of a disappointment.  The MECCA jersey hits it out of the park.

EDIT:  I used to say this about Oregon athletics.  They knew they had to be different and flashy to get kids to want to play there and to grab attention.  The Bucks have to do the same thing.  They aren't the Packers who have a tradition to rest on.  They aren't the Celtics or the Lakers.  This is what creates buzz.  (Along with one of the best young players in the game today.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ZaLiN on November 05, 2018, 03:29:08 PM

Exactly.  I think the Brooklyn one is so good that they should keep it for their everyday jersey.

Last year's Cream-City jersey was a bit of a disappointment.  The MECCA jersey hits it out of the park.

EDIT:  I used to say this about Oregon athletics.  They knew they had to be different and flashy to get kids to want to play there and to grab attention.  The Bucks have to do the same thing.  They aren't the Packers who have a tradition to rest on.  They aren't the Celtics or the Lakers.  This is what creates buzz.  (Along with one of the best young players in the game today.)

I'm not sure flashy uniforms translate the same way in the NBA as they do in the NCAA. Mainly due to $$$ reasons. That being said, with the amount of Nike sway Oregon has, I have no idea how they aren't a top 5 program in basically everything.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 05, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
I'm not sure flashy uniforms translate the same way in the NBA as they do in the NCAA. Mainly due to $$$ reasons. That being said, with the amount of Nike sway Oregon has, I have no idea how they aren't a top 5 program in basically everything.


Because they're in Oregon.  Don't get me wrong, Eugene is a lovely place.  But they have to get players to bypass all sorts of other, local schools to play there.  For instance, they used to make hay in the Seattle area when UW was struggling.  Now that Chris Peterson is there, it's harder to get the better players to head south.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on November 05, 2018, 03:32:57 PM
I wish they could have done a little better with the top. The shorts are dynamite.

A tough thing to execute, but why not take a shot at it?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 05, 2018, 04:37:15 PM
What in the fresh hell

 https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/     (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2018/11/05/bucks-unveil-city-edition-uniforms-inspired-mecca-floor/1891402002/)

Well they are unique...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Litehouse on November 05, 2018, 04:58:03 PM
Someone came up with this alternate version for the Bucks that is so much better.
https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/1059504165154631680/photo/1
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
Someone came up with this alternate version for the Bucks that is so much better.
https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/1059504165154631680/photo/1

I like those tops better. But I like the official shorts much more
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2018, 06:10:29 PM
Someone came up with this alternate version for the Bucks that is so much better.
https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/1059504165154631680/photo/1

Those are even worse.

Honestly, that court was ugly as can be.  They should continue to pay homage to the past the same way they did last year, with the sweet throwback white uniforms.  Those were the best uniforms in the NBA.  These are maybe the worst I've ever seen.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on November 05, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
Those are even worse.

Honestly, that court was ugly as can be.  They should continue to pay homage to the past the same way they did last year, with the sweet throwback white uniforms.  Those were the best uniforms in the NBA.  These are maybe the worst I've ever seen.

The white throwbacks you keep mentioning, the Cream City ones?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2018, 10:42:44 PM
The white throwbacks you keep mentioning, the Cream City ones?

The "Classic Edition" ones in the middle.  In my opinion, as good as it gets.  Honorable mention to the Knicks NYC Fire Department uniforms and the Nuggets with the miner pick from last year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on November 06, 2018, 08:05:18 AM
The "Classic Edition" ones in the middle.  In my opinion, as good as it gets.  Honorable mention to the Knicks NYC Fire Department uniforms and the Nuggets with the miner pick from last year.

Aww, gotcha.  Those were nice, super clean.

I always like these from the 70's, haven't seen these revived ever.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 06, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
Aww, gotcha.  Those were nice, super clean.

I always like these from the 70's, haven't seen these revived ever.


I didn't like when Kohl removed the red from the Bucks color scheme.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 06, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
Wendell Carter Jr. is going to be a good one. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: RJax55 on November 06, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
Wendell Carter Jr. is going to be a good one.

He needs to add about 20 pounds, but yes, he's going to be a nice player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jay Bee on November 08, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Wendell Carter Jr. is going to be a good one.

Nikola Jokic seems to think so, hey??  Lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: baumu on November 08, 2018, 01:43:46 PM
Appears the Bucks made the right call on this one

https://deadspin.com/jabari-parker-looks-really-disengaged-right-now-1830314705 (https://deadspin.com/jabari-parker-looks-really-disengaged-right-now-1830314705)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 08, 2018, 02:00:44 PM
Nikola Jokic seems to think so, hey??  Lol

He's done a nice job battling guys like Jokic and Anthony Davis recently.  Looking forward to Markkanen returning to see how they play with each other.  Lavine has been better than I expected as well.  If they continue to stink hopefully they can get a nice wing in the draft and then maybe you have something. 

Obviously the Parker experiment is not working and probably never really had much of a chance to work. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on November 08, 2018, 02:09:15 PM
Appears the Bucks made the right call on this one

https://deadspin.com/jabari-parker-looks-really-disengaged-right-now-1830314705 (https://deadspin.com/jabari-parker-looks-really-disengaged-right-now-1830314705)

As advertised.

I was overjoyed when the Bucks let him go.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on November 08, 2018, 02:40:17 PM
What is your threshold for tanking?  How bad does your team already have to be for you to want them to tank for a shot at Zion?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
What is your threshold for tanking?  How bad does your team already have to be for you to want them to tank for a shot at Zion?

I think it depends on fit.

Zion would be a great fit for the Bulls because Justin Holliday is currently their starting 3.

Now can Zion run with NBA 3s has yet to be seen but at this point who cares?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2018, 03:03:58 PM
Nikola Jokic seems to think so, hey??  Lol

Jokic has been the most underrated player in the NBA for a good 3 years.  Both ability/skills wise as well as that dry Eastern European humor that is throughout the NBA.

Appears the Bucks made the right call on this one

There was ample talk on Chicago sports radio about walking away from his contract already.  Like he's potentially that bad of an influence on the younger players.  So strange that he's potentially cancerous in attitude yet so well liked and spoken off of the court.

What is your threshold for tanking?  How bad does your team already have to be for you to want them to tank for a shot at Zion?

Zion was as advertised and super entertaining, but if you tank, you tank for Barrett.  33, 4, and 6 and 50% from the floor and 3?  Sheesh.  He has a game like T Mac and a fits a position in the league, Zion is more raw and not sure where totally translates to in the NBA until he develops a more consistent outside game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 08, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
Jokic has been the most underrated player in the NBA for a good 3 years.  Both ability/skills wise as well as that dry Eastern European humor that is throughout the NBA.

There was ample talk on Chicago sports radio about walking away from his contract already.  Like he's potentially that bad of an influence on the younger players.  So strange that he's potentially cancerous in attitude yet so well liked and spoken off of the court.

Zion was as advertised and super entertaining, but if you tank, you tank for Barrett.  33, 4, and 6 and 50% from the floor and 3?  Sheesh.  He has a game like T Mac and a fits a position in the league, Zion is more raw and not sure where totally translates to in the NBA until he develops a more consistent outside game.

Yeah.  Barrett is the real player here.  And I think Reddish will be a better pro.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on November 08, 2018, 07:33:46 PM
Yeah.  Barrett is the real player here.  And I think Reddish will be a better pro.

This is a good take 👍🏼
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on November 09, 2018, 07:45:50 AM
I was optimistic about Bud, but this is beyond my most optimistic expectations.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 09, 2018, 08:02:01 AM
I was optimistic about Bud, but this is beyond my most optimistic expectations.

Yeah.  The signings of Lopez (though he is unable to stay on the court against teams that can put 5 shooters on the court) and Ersan were incredibly underrated and exactly what the Bucks have been needing for years to put around Giannis.  And Divenczo was a smart pick.  Once the Bucks knew Giannis was a transcendent star (or looked like he was on his way to it) it was time to stop with the "freak" draft picks in hoping to hit another grand slam (DJ, Thon) and start making picks that will be nice complimentary players.

Didn't stay up to watch any of the game, but decided to record it.  Looking forward to watching it tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on November 09, 2018, 09:27:28 AM
I was optimistic about Bud, but this is beyond my most optimistic expectations.

Bud has been great so far, but I honestly believe that this is more about how bad Kidd was.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 09, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
I didn't think Kidd was great by any means, but the team NEEDED more shooters on the court.  It was very obvious.  They certainly did just that, which makes it so much harder to guard Giannis.  I don't think Bud would have been able to do what he has done so far this year with last year's roster.

And I know Bledsoe can drive some people crazy, but he was really good last night.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 09, 2018, 09:37:44 AM
I didn't think Kidd was great by any means, but the team NEEDED more shooters on the court.  It was very obvious.  They certainly did just that, which makes it so much harder to guard Giannis.  I don't think Bud would have been able to do what he has done so far this year with last year's roster.

And I know Bledsoe can drive some people crazy, but he was really good last night.

Yes, but Kidd also didn't really give his shooters the freedom to...well, shoot.  Or maybe they had the freedom to do so but weren't really told "Khris, why are you passing up good looks from the 3 point line to take fadeaway baseline 15 footers?"  Middleton was shooting 5 three pointers/game last season and is shooting 8 three pointers/game this season.  Snell is shooting 3 three pointers/game this season compared to 3.6 three pointers/game last season, but he's playing 11 minutes/game less this season.  Henson (not that he's a 3 point shooter, but he's shown he can hit the open jumper this season) attempted 13 total three pointers in his career before this year and is attempting 2.2 three pointers/game this year.  The freedom Bud is giving to his players really, really seems to have helped.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on November 09, 2018, 09:39:58 AM
Yeah.  The signings of Lopez (though he is unable to stay on the court against teams that can put 5 shooters on the court) and Ersan were incredibly underrated and exactly what the Bucks have been needing for years to put around Giannis.  And Divenczo was a smart pick.  Once the Bucks knew Giannis was a transcendent star (or looked like he was on his way to it) it was time to stop with the "freak" draft picks in hoping to hit another grand slam (DJ, Thon) and start making picks that will be nice complimentary players.

Didn't stay up to watch any of the game, but decided to record it.  Looking forward to watching it tonight.

This is the correct opinion, and this is a very well constructed team. They are playing within themselves on both ends of the court. Kidd forced them to stretch on defense, and he condensed the offense. They have the unique ability to play essentially a 1-in, 4-out style of offense that only teams with select front-court superstars can support, and the shooting bigs (and Pat Connaughton????) have been huge additions in that.

You'll enjoy watching this game. Yes, Green was out, and yes, Curry left in the 3rd, but this game was very much under control at that point, up 20. 3s weren't falling, but the Bucks dominance on defense made sure it didn't matter. They absolutely bullied Golden State. Kudos to Bledsoe for finally having a complete performance.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on November 10, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
Jimmy to Philly. Butler, Simmons, embid, fultz?. Solid young core

Covington + Saric + 2nd round pick > 4 first round picks.

What?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 10, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
Jimmy to Philly. Butler, Simmons, embid, fultz?. Solid young core

Covington + Saric + 2nd round pick > 4 first round picks.

What?

Well the salaries have to come within a certain percentage of each other so there was more to the story than just Butler for 4 picks. And how good is the 25-30 pick going to be this year and in 2 years? Maybe 4 and 6 years out the picks are valuable, but that’s a long time to wait.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
The vast majority of the time, when a bunch of role players get traded for a star, the team getting the star "wins" the deal by a mile. Even if Jimmy is only a rent-a-player, that might be the case here as long as he doesn't clash with the Sixers' young stars. If they can keep him, all the more so.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: brewcity77 on November 11, 2018, 04:32:33 PM
There was ample talk on Chicago sports radio about walking away from his contract already.  Like he's potentially that bad of an influence on the younger players.  So strange that he's potentially cancerous in attitude yet so well liked and spoken off of the court.

It does somewhat amaze me. I have a friend who was very close with the Parker family when he was in Milwaukee. Regular BBQs, went to games with their family, and it really sounds like from a community aspect, Parker was about as engaged, personable, and ideal as you could ask for. And yet Milwaukee seemed to have no problem parting with him and already issues in Chicago. I suppose many people have different home and work personas, but you'd think being a good role model in the community would normally go hand-in-hand with being a good role model in that type of workplace.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on November 11, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Jimmy to Philly. Butler, Simmons, embid, fultz?. Solid young core

Covington + Saric + 2nd round pick > 4 first round picks.

What?

Yeah, I'd take Covington and Saric over four firsts. Two proven starters who've shown than can succeed in complementary roles.

On the other hand, add Jimmy to Harden and Paul, and Houston likely is a playoff team for the foreseeable future. Historically speaking, history shows those picks aren't likely landing you a bunch of starters. Maybe not even two. For perspective, #20 overall picks 2013-17: Tony Snell, Bruno Caboclo, Delon Wright and Harry Giles. Three bench players and a guy in the G League. Draft picks outside the top 15 or so aren't worth that much in the NBA.
Add that to the fact Thibs can't afford a rebuilding after botching the Jimmy situation, and this trade makes way more sense for the Timberpups. They can still compete for the playoffs with Saric and Covington along with KAT and (blech) Wiggins. No chance they're in playoff contention getting back only draft picks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 11, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
It does somewhat amaze me. I have a friend who was very close with the Parker family when he was in Milwaukee. Regular BBQs, went to games with their family, and it really sounds like from a community aspect, Parker was about as engaged, personable, and ideal as you could ask for. And yet Milwaukee seemed to have no problem parting with him and already issues in Chicago. I suppose many people have different home and work personas, but you'd think being a good role model in the community would normally go hand-in-hand with being a good role model in that type of workplace.


The Bucks didn't have a problem walking away because he is a poor defender and his offensive skills are replicated.  I don't think it had anything to do with his attitude.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 11, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
Well the salaries have to come within a certain percentage of each other so there was more to the story than just Butler for 4 picks. And how good is the 25-30 pick going to be this year and in 2 years? Maybe 4 and 6 years out the picks are valuable, but that’s a long time to wait.

Agreed. Plus Covington & Saric are better than what you could expect to get with those late 1st rounders, and you get them now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on November 11, 2018, 08:46:41 PM
After tonight, I have forgiven Lopez for his transgressions against Marquette.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: baumu on November 11, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
I was hoping for a 2-2 trip but was not expecting the two wins they got
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
Jimmy to Philly. Butler, Simmons, embid, fultz?. Solid young core

Covington + Saric + 2nd round pick > 4 first round picks.

What?

Actually a great deal for both teams IMO.  Sixers and Butler are supposedly talking an extension to keep him in Philly, and he gives experience and toughness to a really talented young core.  Saric and Covington are two nice pieces to try to work with in Minny.

If Jimmy can gel in Philly, the Sixers-Celtics battles are gonna be AMAZING.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on November 12, 2018, 08:51:22 AM
Actually a great deal for both teams IMO.  Sixers and Butler are supposedly talking an extension to keep him in Philly, and he gives experience and toughness to a really talented young core.  Saric and Covington are two nice pieces to try to work with in Minny.

If Jimmy can gel in Philly, the Sixers-Celtics battles are gonna be AMAZING.

I think Jimmy and Embid are going to be just fine. It's Simmons that I think will struggle to mesh. Not to mention Fultz.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 12, 2018, 08:57:38 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25201321/why-jimmy-butler-not-solve-philadelphia-76ers-biggest-problem-nba

Said it before and still feel this way, the Sixers adding Jimmy doesn't scare me as a Bucks fan.  They now have 1 shooter on their roster, and that shooter is a one trick pony.  Stay attached to Reddick and sag off of everyone else.  They added a slasher that needs the ball in his hands to a team that was full of slashers that need the ball in their hands and removed 2 of their 3 best shooters in a league where shooting is the most important aspect of the game.

And good luck talking extension with Jimmy.  5 months is a loooooong time to keep that guy happy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on November 12, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25201321/why-jimmy-butler-not-solve-philadelphia-76ers-biggest-problem-nba

Said it before and still feel this way, the Sixers adding Jimmy doesn't scare me as a Bucks fan.  They now have 1 shooter on their roster, and that shooter is a one trick pony.  Stay attached to Reddick and sag off of everyone else.  They added a slasher that needs the ball in his hands to a team that was full of slashers that need the ball in their hands and removed 2 of their 3 best shooters in a league where shooting is the most important aspect of the game.

And good luck talking extension with Jimmy.  5 months is a loooooong time to keep that guy happy.

Agreed.  Its going to take Elton Brand 2 years to finish what the Colangelos started and spend all of the assets Philadelphia accumulated with #theprocess.  (I place some blame on the Colangelos because I don't think Hinkie would have ever used the 2017 pick that became Fultz).
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 10:31:40 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25201321/why-jimmy-butler-not-solve-philadelphia-76ers-biggest-problem-nba

Said it before and still feel this way, the Sixers adding Jimmy doesn't scare me as a Bucks fan.  They now have 1 shooter on their roster, and that shooter is a one trick pony.  Stay attached to Reddick and sag off of everyone else.  They added a slasher that needs the ball in his hands to a team that was full of slashers that need the ball in their hands and removed 2 of their 3 best shooters in a league where shooting is the most important aspect of the game.

And good luck talking extension with Jimmy.  5 months is a loooooong time to keep that guy happy.

Agree with much here, but I still think it's a good (perhaps great) deal for Philly if (maybe big if) team chemistry is OK.

Jimmy isn't really a "shooter," but he is .378 from 3 this season after .350 and .367 previous two years, and has full-year .381 and .378 percentages earlier in his Chicago career. In other words, not too shabby behind the arc. (Larry Bird's career 3% was .376.)

Embiid can hit 3s - indeed, he just hit a game-tying one against the Hornets in a game the Sixers won in OT - but I do think he generally is doing opponents a favor every time he fires from deep.

Certainly, the Sixers' best lineup -- Butler, Simmons, Embiid, Reddick, Fultz/Shamet -- does not have enough shooters by today's NBA standards.

Then again, it's early. Much easier to find complementary players on the market in the coming months than stars such as Jimmy. Who's to say that by Feb-Mar-Apr the Sixers won't have added a couple of Korver/Ellington types?

I don't think a team passes on getting a multiple All-Star in his prime when all it costs is complementary players.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on November 12, 2018, 10:56:14 AM
I think both Covington and Saric are underrated.

I also would love to see the 76ers add Carmelo like they're rumored to be interested in doing if/when he's cut by the Rockets.  Butler, Embiid, Simmons, Carmelo all on 1 team?  That locker room would be fuuuuun!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2018, 11:11:33 AM
I think both Covington and Saric are underrated.

I also would love to see the 76ers add Carmelo like they're rumored to be interested in doing if/when he's cut by the Rockets.  Butler, Embiid, Simmons, Carmelo all on 1 team?  That locker room would be fuuuuun!

Can't argue with that, wades. I certainly see why the Knicks wanted him a few years back, but I don't really get why so many other franchises these days seem so willing to consider a volume-shooting, defense-averse ball hog who whines a lot and is well past his prime.

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Post by: brewcity77 on November 12, 2018, 08:05:32 PM
Agreed.  Its going to take Elton Brand 2 years to finish what the Colangelos started and spend all of the assets Philadelphia accumulated with #theprocess.  (I place some blame on the Colangelos because I don't think Hinkie would have ever used the 2017 pick that became Fultz).

It's just so weird to think of Elton Brand as a GM. That's when you know you're getting old, when the guys you watched in college as an adult are done with NBA careers and on to front office jobs.
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Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 13, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
I think both Covington and Saric are underrated.

I also would love to see the 76ers add Carmelo like they're rumored to be interested in doing if/when he's cut by the Rockets.  Butler, Embiid, Simmons, Carmelo all on 1 team?  That locker room would be fuuuuun!

Why any contender would even consider Melo right now is beyond me.

The only thing that maybe makes sense in terms of generating a modicum of fan interest is Melo to the Wizards since they're already a dumpster fire and he's from the vicinity. But even at 4-9 they're still very much in the hunt in the East so why do it from their perspective?

Would the Suns do it just to maybe drive some marginal ticket sales? Maybe? Cleveland same thing? Would he go to either? Tough to see where he fits at all. Might be time to head to China and build the global brand.
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Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 17, 2018, 06:39:28 AM
Quite the contrast of halves for the Bucks last night. Bud really laid into the team at halftime and they responded nicely.
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Post by: GB Warrior on November 17, 2018, 09:11:31 AM
Quite the contrast of halves for the Bucks last night. Bud really laid into the team at halftime and they responded nicely.

Players were saying that he was still mad after the game. Very different levels of accountability from the previous coach. He knows this team can't just rest on its laurels if it wants to go places...and that they should have won by 40
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Post by: GGGG on November 17, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
I love the court they were using yesterday.
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Post by: jsglow on November 17, 2018, 09:20:23 AM
Quite the contrast of halves for the Bucks last night. Bud really laid into the team at halftime and they responded nicely.

They'd earned it.  And pretty much to a man acknowledged that after the game.  Let's hope it was a constructive 'lessons learned'.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on November 17, 2018, 05:34:37 PM
Got der vitamins, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on November 17, 2018, 10:48:58 PM
JFB

https://twitter.com/TheLyons_Den/status/1063993972966785024
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Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
JFB

https://twitter.com/TheLyons_Den/status/1063993972966785024

Can we take a moment to appreciate the Hornets for bringing back their old court though? That thing is a beaut.

Also, I know MU82 is on a little vacation, but his Kemba>Klay take looks reaaaal good.
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Post by: cheebs09 on November 18, 2018, 09:28:14 AM
Can we take a moment to appreciate the Hornets for bringing back their old court though? That thing is a beaut.

Also, I know MU82 is on a little vacation, but his Kemba>Klay take looks reaaaal good.

That was my takeaway from the video. That was beautiful.

Also, that was an awesome play.
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Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2018, 09:29:12 AM
Butler showing why Philly wanted him.   
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Post by: JWags85 on November 18, 2018, 11:06:38 AM
Can we take a moment to appreciate the Hornets for bringing back their old court though? That thing is a beaut.

Everything Charlotte did going back to the Hornets, was perfect now that they have the jerseys and the court. Just gorgeous. Now if only they could be some legit talent around Kemba.

Butler showing why Philly wanted him.

Safe to say he has arrived. Has a beast game on Friday night, and then last night wasn’t playing that well but turns it on for a game saving defensive play and the game winner. What a killer.

Love all the critics and haters saying “It’s Embiid’s team, Butler is going to have to just play a supporting role which he won’t like and he’ll kill that team”. Yea Embiid is the best player, but acting like that precludes Jimmy from being a leader and having moments like this is just asinine.
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Post by: BLM on November 18, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
R-E-L-A-X.  It's 3 games.  Glad Jimmy can claim to be happy after 3 games in Philly.  Let's see how happy he is in a month or 2.
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Post by: jesmu84 on November 18, 2018, 12:14:26 PM
JFB

https://twitter.com/TheLyons_Den/status/1063993972966785024

Can you imagine the #firewojo threads if that was our offensive possession at the end of a game?
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Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/had-stop-kemba-getting-70-104739137.html
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Post by: GB Warrior on December 07, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
My excitement at unloading Delly and Henson's contracts is tempered by the fact that the bucks have to get Dekker back. Can they just waive him?

Not wild about the first rounder but it was necessary. Now the team can enter "go for it" mode

Edit: just kidding, Dekker to Washington. There is a god
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Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
Bucks goin' four it, aina?
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Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 07, 2018, 06:45:54 PM
First rounder for  George Hill seems steep but the salary dump makes it worth it
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Post by: reinko on December 07, 2018, 06:51:10 PM
Cleared 18mil in cap space for next year...well worth it
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Post by: GB Warrior on December 07, 2018, 07:16:34 PM
Cleared 18mil in cap space for next year...well worth it

And a legitimate contributor in Hill for the remainder of 2018.
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Post by: BLM on December 07, 2018, 07:29:11 PM
And a legitimate contributor in Hill for the remainder of 2018.

Ehh.
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Post by: GGGG on December 07, 2018, 07:35:51 PM
Yeah Hill hasn't been much for awhile.  He'll be a nice defender when called on but not really a rotation guy.

Bucks have to extend Brogdon next year and a decision to make on Bledsoe.  Getting rid of those contracts are huge.  They just wiped about $20 million in salary off the books.  The Bucks will waive Hill two minutes after the season is over for $1M.  Jason Smith's contract is up after this year.

Honestly this is a brilliant move considering neither of these guys were contributors.
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Post by: jesmu84 on December 08, 2018, 08:26:26 AM
Uh oh...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25481105/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-frustrated-role-jimmy-butler-trade
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2018, 12:55:10 PM
Only a self-centered loser complains about his stats during a winning streak.
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Post by: MUDish on December 08, 2018, 09:45:22 PM
This is the worst I’ve seen the Bulls organization.
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Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2018, 11:02:35 PM
This is the worst I’ve seen the Bulls organization.

Hmmm.

I will remind you that in the 6 years after the dynasty blew up, the Bulls were 119-341, a .259 winning percentage. I believe as part of that, Tim Floyd had the worst record of any coach in NBA history.

So that was pretty bad.
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Post by: MUDish on December 09, 2018, 07:06:44 AM
Hmmm.

I will remind you that in the 6 years after the dynasty blew up, the Bulls were 119-341, a .259 winning percentage. I believe as part of that, Tim Floyd had the worst record of any coach in NBA history.

So that was pretty bad.

Yes, as someone who worked in their front office at that time, I’m well aware. The stuff going on behind the scenes right now is really really bad. That type of dysfunction wasn’t there back then.
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Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
Yes, as someone who worked in their front office at that time, I’m well aware. The stuff going on behind the scenes right now is really really bad. That type of dysfunction wasn’t there back then.

OK, I wasn't behind the scenes, just sitting at courtside most games watching the shyte-show. So I'll defer to you.

But I do remember the offseason in which 7 or 8 free agents, one after another after another, led Krause and Floyd around like dogs on a leash only to choose other teams. The McGrady courtship, if memory serves, was especially humiliating for the franchise, and the Bulls ended up way overpaying for the great Ron Mercer.

Also IIRC, they fired Cartwright right before Xmas after telling him only days earlier that he was doing "fine," and a couple of coaches later they hired the incredibly ill-prepared Vinny Del Negro, who later got into a physical altercation with Paxson. So there might have been a little dysfunction back then, too.

But sure, these Bulls are a joke, too, I won't argue that.
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Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Uh oh...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25481105/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-frustrated-role-jimmy-butler-trade

Three teams- three unhappy messes.

Poor Jimmy keeps picking teams in disarray (sarcasm).
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Post by: GGGG on December 09, 2018, 12:04:06 PM
Three teams- three unhappy messes.

Poor Jimmy keeps picking teams in disarray (sarcasm).


How is this Jimmy's fault?  He's the best player on the team coming in and being given a large role.  Of course Embiid's role was going to change.
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Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2018, 01:47:35 PM
Three teams- three unhappy messes.

Poor Jimmy keeps picking teams in disarray (sarcasm).

Sixers are 10-3 since the trade, so maybe it's not quite time to declare Armageddon.
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Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 09, 2018, 01:55:03 PM
Only a self-centered loser complains about his stats during a winning streak.

Yep. Same type of jerk that would pick KU with an offer from MU in hand!
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Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2018, 01:58:46 PM
Sixers are 10-3 since the trade, so maybe it's not quite time to declare Armageddon.

Not questioning JB’s talent.

Just interesting that each team he has been on has turned into a mess. We’ll see what happens in Philly.
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Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2018, 02:03:02 PM
Not questioning JB’s talent.

Just interesting that each team he has been on has turned into a mess. We’ll see what happens in Philly.

I guess I don't see Embiid griping about being out on the perimeter more than he likes evidence of 1) Butler being the problem or 2) the Sixers being a mess.
If the Sixers are a mess and in disarray, as you say, it sure isn't affecting their ability to win games.
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Post by: JWags85 on December 09, 2018, 05:58:53 PM
I guess I don't see Embiid griping about being out on the perimeter more than he likes evidence of 1) Butler being the problem or 2) the Sixers being a mess.
If the Sixers are a mess and in disarray, as you say, it sure isn't affecting their ability to win games.

Embiid was the unquestioned star and most visible player on a young team with no expectations. Now you have a team that is expected to contend for the East that added an established and proven star. Dynamics change, roles change, Embiid is no longer the big fish in a little pond.

But the Sixers are playing great, Jimmy seems to be fitting in and playing well (stuff with him and Simmons is fun and amusing). Calling the team a mess is overkill.

Also, given what we’ve now seen. The Bulls problem wasn’t Jimmy, and Minnesota was just not the right fit. Wiggins still stinks and the team is underperforming
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Post by: GGGG on December 09, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
Yes, as someone who worked in their front office at that time, I’m well aware. The stuff going on behind the scenes right now is really really bad. That type of dysfunction wasn’t there back then.


Really does anyone think this is going to be effective???

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25493942/chicago-bulls-players-push-back-coach-jim-boylen-aggressive-style
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Post by: MUDish on December 09, 2018, 09:53:09 PM

Really does anyone think this is going to be effective???

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25493942/chicago-bulls-players-push-back-coach-jim-boylen-aggressive-style

Reports are now out of the near mutiny that happened today.
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Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
Embiid was the unquestioned star and most visible player on a young team with no expectations. Now you have a team that is expected to contend for the East that added an established and proven star. Dynamics change, roles change, Embiid is no longer the big fish in a little pond.

But the Sixers are playing great, Jimmy seems to be fitting in and playing well (stuff with him and Simmons is fun and amusing). Calling the team a mess is overkill.

Also, given what we’ve now seen. The Bulls problem wasn’t Jimmy, and Minnesota was just not the right fit. Wiggins still stinks and the team is underperforming

This highlights the difference between a cocky young guy like Embiid and a mature established star like D-Wade.

Wade not only embraced bringing in a brighter star than himself to the Heat, but he actively actually sought to make it happen. And LeBron agreed to take less money than he would have gotten elsewhere (especially Cleveland). All to win championships, which they did -- and they wouldn't have had Wade been overly concerned about his "role."

But Embiid sees only what's in it for him personally, and whines about his situation despite the team winning more than it has in years. It's childish, of course, but he's a child. Maybe he'll grow up some day.
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Post by: forgetful on December 10, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
This highlights the difference between a cocky young guy like Embiid and a mature established star like D-Wade.

Wade not only embraced bringing in a brighter star than himself to the Heat, but he actively actually sought to make it happen. And LeBron agreed to take less money than he would have gotten elsewhere (especially Cleveland). All to win championships, which they did -- and they wouldn't have had Wade been overly concerned about his "role."

But Embiid sees only what's in it for him personally, and whines about his situation despite the team winning more than it has in years. It's childish, of course, but he's a child. Maybe he'll grow up some day.

Not only that, but when it was clear that Wade and Lebron played similar roles, and it wasn't working, Wade took a step back and deferred so that they could win championships.
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Post by: Pakuni on December 10, 2018, 09:51:11 AM
This highlights the difference between a cocky young guy like Embiid and a mature established star like D-Wade.

Wade not only embraced bringing in a brighter star than himself to the Heat, but he actively actually sought to make it happen. And LeBron agreed to take less money than he would have gotten elsewhere (especially Cleveland). All to win championships, which they did -- and they wouldn't have had Wade been overly concerned about his "role."

But Embiid sees only what's in it for him personally, and whines about his situation despite the team winning more than it has in years. It's childish, of course, but he's a child. Maybe he'll grow up some day.

I think you're being a bit harsh here. The guy was asked a question about his  offensive struggles and gave an honest - and correct! - answer, saying he's less effective when forced to play a stretch 5 role. He could have, and should have, given a more PC answer, I suppose, but let's not spin this into anything more than it is. He never complained about the trade for Butler.

I'm not sure the Wade comparison is fair. By the time LeBron went to Miami, Wade was 29 years old, an 8-year veteran and a guy who was accustomed to playing second fiddle to another superstar. Embiid is 24, in his third season and in unchartered territory as far as being asked to sacrifice usage to another player. Not at all apples-to-apples circumstances.
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Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
I think you're being a bit harsh here. The guy was asked a question about his  offensive struggles and gave an honest - and correct! - answer, saying he's less effective when forced to play a stretch 5 role. He could have, and should have, given a more PC answer, I suppose, but let's not spin this into anything more than it is. He never complained about the trade for Butler.

I'm not sure the Wade comparison is fair. By the time LeBron went to Miami, Wade was 29 years old, an 8-year veteran and a guy who was accustomed to playing second fiddle to another superstar. Embiid is 24, in his third season and in unchartered territory as far as being asked to sacrifice usage to another player. Not at all apples-to-apples circumstances.

Pakuni, on the second point, I think I pretty much said almost the exact same thing.

On the first, you're probably right. I didn't hear Embiid's answer or the questions he was asked, and I don't have proper context. All too often, a guy responds to a question and then we blame the guy for giving an honest response. Embiid is obviously a goofball, but I do get a kick out of him when I hear a clip of stuff he says, and he's a very entertaining and talented basketball player.
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Post by: BLM on December 10, 2018, 11:38:39 AM
I think you're being a bit harsh here. The guy was asked a question about his  offensive struggles and gave an honest - and correct! - answer, saying he's less effective when forced to play a stretch 5 role. He could have, and should have, given a more PC answer, I suppose, but let's not spin this into anything more than it is. He never complained about the trade for Butler.

I'm not sure the Wade comparison is fair. By the time LeBron went to Miami, Wade was 29 years old, an 8-year veteran and a guy who was accustomed to playing second fiddle to another superstar. Embiid is 24, in his third season and in unchartered territory as far as being asked to sacrifice usage to another player. Not at all apples-to-apples circumstances.

Before LeBron got to Miami, what superstar had Wade grown accustom to playing second fiddle to?  He was the best player on the Heat from day 1 of his rookie year.
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Post by: Pakuni on December 10, 2018, 12:07:18 PM
Before LeBron got to Miami, what superstar had Wade grown accustom to playing second fiddle to?  He was the best player on the Heat from day 1 of his rookie year.

Some guy named Shaq.
Perhaps you're forgetting how Dwyane happily took on the role of sidekick after the heat acquired Shaq.

Thursday, Wade was asked whose team this was.
No hesitation. Straight into the post. To the dominant big man Richards High and Marquette could not provide.
"Hands down, hands down Shaq's team," Wade said. "It's his team. He's the Big Fella. He's the guy the offense is going to run through. He's the guy that we want our offense to run through, and we'll take it from there."

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2004-07-16-0407160158-story.html

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Post by: BLM on December 10, 2018, 12:13:25 PM
Some guy named Shaq.
Perhaps you're forgetting how Dwyane happily took on the role of sidekick after the heat acquired Shaq.

Thursday, Wade was asked whose team this was.
No hesitation. Straight into the post. To the dominant big man Richards High and Marquette could not provide.
"Hands down, hands down Shaq's team," Wade said. "It's his team. He's the Big Fella. He's the guy the offense is going to run through. He's the guy that we want our offense to run through, and we'll take it from there."

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2004-07-16-0407160158-story.html

Lol. Come on now.
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Post by: forgetful on December 10, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
Some guy named Shaq.
Perhaps you're forgetting how Dwyane happily took on the role of sidekick after the heat acquired Shaq.

Thursday, Wade was asked whose team this was.
No hesitation. Straight into the post. To the dominant big man Richards High and Marquette could not provide.
"Hands down, hands down Shaq's team," Wade said. "It's his team. He's the Big Fella. He's the guy the offense is going to run through. He's the guy that we want our offense to run through, and we'll take it from there."

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2004-07-16-0407160158-story.html

You couldn't be more wrong.  That was in early 2004, before Wade even broke out. That was his breakout year, and midway through that season it was clear that was Wade's team. The next year he single handily carried the Heat to a championship where he was finals MVP.  He was the scoring champion in 2009 (he should have been MVP).

Wade had been the go to defacto leader for his entire career.

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Post by: Jockey on December 10, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
Embiid was the unquestioned star and most visible player on a young team with no expectations. Now you have a team that is expected to contend for the East that added an established and proven star. Dynamics change, roles change, Embiid is no longer the big fish in a little pond.

But the Sixers are playing great, Jimmy seems to be fitting in and playing well (stuff with him and Simmons is fun and amusing). Calling the team a mess is overkill.

Also, given what we’ve now seen. The Bulls problem wasn’t Jimmy, and Minnesota was just not the right fit. Wiggins still stinks and the team is underperforming

You may be right, Wags.  Maybe we can re-visit in a year or so after we see what happens.
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Post by: MUBurrow on December 10, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Jim Boylen is starting to look like what happens when your average NFL coach takes over an NBA squad.
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Post by: MUDish on December 10, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
The Boylen stuff has been brewing for a while now. The players didn’t like him before he was named head coach. Gar wanted Hoiberg fired last year and replaced with Boylen. I’ve heard stuff here and there, and after Saturday’s loss, my Bulls buddy said all hell was going to break loose, and looks like he was right.
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Post by: GGGG on December 11, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
The Boylen stuff has been brewing for a while now. The players didn’t like him before he was named head coach. Gar wanted Hoiberg fired last year and replaced with Boylen. I’ve heard stuff here and there, and after Saturday’s loss, my Bulls buddy said all hell was going to break loose, and looks like he was right.


https://www.blogabull.com/2018/12/11/18133119/chicago-bulls-john-paxson-jim-boylen-mutiny
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Post by: RJax55 on December 11, 2018, 03:35:08 PM

https://www.blogabull.com/2018/12/11/18133119/chicago-bulls-john-paxson-jim-boylen-mutiny

The only hope for this franchise is for Jerry to die or to cede full control over to his son, Michael. And, even then, fans have no idea of whether Michael has the vision/ability to institute a Rocky Wirtz style house-cleaning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 12, 2018, 08:41:39 PM
Bucks lay another egg, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
The Utah Jazz gave Draymond Green the Derrick Wilson treatment last night.

Green has made one 3-pointer in the last 2 months, and his percentage has been declining for years down to this year's 20%. So teams have been backing off of him, daring him to shoot. And the Jazz took it a whole 'nother level. On several possessions, his "defender" backed up all the way into the lane while he was at the 3-point line.

One could make a pretty good argument that with Durant, Curry and Thompson, the Warriors don't need Green to shoot 3s, but they can forget about finding lanes to drive the ball if Green's man can play 10-15 feet off of him with impunity.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on December 31, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
The Bucks are currently in first place in the East but are a half game back of the Raptors.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
The Bucks are currently in first place in the East but are a half game back of the Raptors.

The Bucks are a half game ahead of the Raptors. I get what you're saying but even the NBA acknowledges the Bucks are 0.5 games ahead.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on December 31, 2018, 04:54:20 PM
The Bucks are a half game ahead of the Raptors. I get what you're saying but even the NBA acknowledges the Bucks are 0.5 games ahead.

The Bucks have 25 wins to Toronto’s 27 wins, so Toronto is 2 games ahead in the win column, or 1 full game difference in terms of standings. The Bucks have 10 losses to Toronto’s 11 losses, so the Bucks are 1 game ahead of Toronto in the loss column, or 0.5 games ahead in terms of the standings. So overall they’re 0.5 games back in the standings.

But the Bucks have a .714 winning percentage compared to Toronto’s .711, so the Bucks are listed as in first place despite being 0.5 games back in the standings.

It’s why the Bucks are at the top of the list in the Eastern Conference standings but also listed as 0.5 games back, while Toronto is listed below the Bucks in the standings but have a dash next to their “games back.”
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Wow ... you're really blowin' my mind here, wades.

Let me know if that's still the case at the end of the season, man.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on January 02, 2019, 12:01:18 PM
Giannis posterizing Jon Leuer is very enjoyable.

https://deadspin.com/giannis-antetokounmpo-buried-jon-leuer-with-the-dunk-of-1831433357

"Jon Leuer comes but....he may as well not of" is pretty funny commentary too.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 04, 2019, 09:50:44 AM
Did anyone else see that ridiculous non-call (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGzUhKleLw) in last night's Warriors-Rockets game?  Wow.  I'm not a Rockets fan (or a Harden fan), but I'm glad Harden nailed a circus shot to help mitigate that idiocy.  What the hell happened there?  Think the NBA will address it?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GGGG on January 04, 2019, 10:00:16 AM
And the thing is, since it wasn't called out of bounds, they can't review it.  Which seems strange to me.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on January 04, 2019, 12:54:39 PM
Did anyone else see that ridiculous non-call (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGzUhKleLw) in last night's Warriors-Rockets game?  Wow.  I'm not a Rockets fan (or a Harden fan), but I'm glad Harden nailed a circus shot to help mitigate that idiocy.  What the hell happened there?  Think the NBA will address it?

It was a horrid mistake, but I sure hope the focus is on how great that game was, and Harden's heroics. Wildly entertaining second half and OT.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
It was a horrid mistake, but I sure hope the focus is on how great that game was, and Harden's heroics. Wildly entertaining second half and OT.

The weird thing is that the official closest to the play (with a clear, perfect view) didn't call it out of bounds.

If an official doesn't get suspended for such gross incompetence (this was not a judgement call) - anything goes now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2019, 04:11:08 PM
Butler continues to be a cancer. I can't understand why any team would want him (hence, the reason he has been traded twice is a short period).


League sources have told ESPN that Jimmy Butler has aggressively challenged coach Brett Brown on his role in the offense, complicating an already tenuous chemistry among the team's Big Three hierarchy.

Butler has been vocal in his contesting of Brown and his system, including a recent film session in Portland that some witnesses considered "disrespectful" and beyond normal player-coach discourse.
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Post by: RJax55 on January 04, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
Butler continues to be a cancer. I can't understand why any team would want him (hence, the reason he has been traded twice is a short period).


League sources have told ESPN that Jimmy Butler has aggressively challenged coach Brett Brown on his role in the offense, complicating an already tenuous chemistry among the team's Big Three hierarchy.

Butler has been vocal in his contesting of Brown and his system, including a recent film session in Portland that some witnesses considered "disrespectful" and beyond normal player-coach discourse.

This is the third coach in a row that's he's had issues with. I wonder what the problem is?
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Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2019, 04:37:27 PM
Must be the coaches ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: JWags85 on January 04, 2019, 05:02:17 PM
This is the third coach in a row that's he's had issues with. I wonder what the problem is?

To be fair, Hoiberg had issues with a lot of people and is not being considered for NBA jobs.  Jimmy had no problem with Thibs, he had a problem with the roster.  If Thibs was still coaching the Bulls, the Butler trade likely doesnt happen.

That being said, this isn't a great look.  Cancer is a bit strong, but he's having trouble finally being on a very good team and not being the man.  People downplay the role of it, but thats why coaches like Kerr and Phil Jackson have been so successful, not cause they are X and O masters, but because they manage personalities so well.  Butler certainly isn't the only guy who has had an issue in situations like this.  Should be interesting given Brown has only been the head of a rebuilding team up until this year and came from a Spurs attempted ego-free culture.
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Post by: RJax55 on January 04, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
To be fair, Hoiberg had issues with a lot of people and is not being considered for NBA jobs.  Jimmy had no problem with Thibs, he had a problem with the roster.  If Thibs was still coaching the Bulls, the Butler trade likely doesnt happen.

That being said, this isn't a great look.  Cancer is a bit strong, but he's having trouble finally being on a very good team and not being the man.  People downplay the role of it, but thats why coaches like Kerr and Phil Jackson have been so successful, not cause they are X and O masters, but because they manage personalities so well.  Butler certainly isn't the only guy who has had an issue in situations like this.  Should be interesting given Brown has only been the head of a rebuilding team up until this year and came from a Spurs attempted ego-free culture.

Not a great look, he's been on the 76ers less than two months!

The way he orchestrated his departure from Minnesota was as silly as it gets. I loved the guy at MU, but its becoming harder and harder not to call him a team cancer.
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Post by: MUBurrow on January 04, 2019, 07:11:15 PM
People downplay the role of it, but thats why coaches like Kerr and Phil Jackson have been so successful, not cause they are X and O masters, but because they manage personalities so well.  Butler certainly isn't the only guy who has had an issue in situations like this.  Should be interesting given Brown has only been the head of a rebuilding team up until this year and came from a Spurs attempted ego-free culture.

It’s getting impossible to deny that JFBs constant problems are a product of JFB wanting to be the man over wanting to win and him not being able to adapt his game to an evolving, flow-based, NBA offense.
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Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 04, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Butler continues to be a cancer.


"Brown has told people within the organization that he had no issues with that exchange and considered it within the confines of the relationship that he has developed with Butler, sources said."

Sounds to me like these are two grown men having a frank conversation trying to get the best out of themselves and the team they have. Media-driven non-story. Brown coached under Pop, you think he doesn't welcome & appreciate direct talk?

I can't understand why any team would want him

"The Sixers (25-14), who are currently fourth in the Eastern Conference, are 16-8 since the deal -- 15-6 when Butler plays."

15/21 = 71.4% a.k.a. 2nd best win % in the league for the season. NBA teams want to win, and Butler is a winner. What's left to ponder?
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Post by: MU82 on January 04, 2019, 10:46:00 PM
People downplay the role of it, but thats why coaches like Kerr and Phil Jackson have been so successful, not cause they are X and O masters, but because they manage personalities so well.

JWags, this is the most astute comment I read on Scoop today.

The great coaches and managers in pro sports are those who are best at managing egos. Jackson was the best I've ever seen at it.
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Post by: Pakuni on January 06, 2019, 06:14:47 PM
Woj bomb .... Thibs fired.
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Post by: MUDish on January 06, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
Woj bomb .... Thibs fired.

In the middle of all the NFL tweets, I had to triple check the blue check mark to make sure I read that correctly.
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Post by: MUDish on January 06, 2019, 06:21:53 PM
Woj says strong consideration to Hoiberg coming in for T-Wolves. Maybe Boylen can then take over for Hoiberg in 3 years?
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Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2019, 01:45:54 PM
Anyone see Giannis' pass off of Harden's head last night?

That doinked harder than a Parkey FG off the upright.
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Post by: Chili on January 10, 2019, 02:09:55 PM
Anyone see Giannis' pass off of Harden's head last night?

That doinked harder than a Parkey FG off the upright.

Here's the video:  https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1083201359875313664/video/1 (https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1083201359875313664/video/1)

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Post by: StillAWarrior on January 10, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
Here's the video:  https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1083201359875313664/video/1 (https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1083201359875313664/video/1)

That's fantastic.
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Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2019, 03:53:47 PM
harden was pretty funny about it after the game.
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Post by: BLM on January 23, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
"Significant" knee injury for Oladipo.  They fear he is done for the year.  Might help the Bucks down the road, but that really sucks.  The Pacers scared me more than anybody in the East just in that they'll ugly up a series for all 7 games if they need to.  And Oladipo can take over a game.
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Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2019, 07:49:24 PM
Brooks Lopez is averaging 2.1 blocks and 2.5 threes made per game. If he keeps that up for the entire season, he’ll be the first person in NBA history to average more than 2 blocks and 2 threes per game.
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Post by: forgetful on January 24, 2019, 09:35:29 PM
The NBA all-star game starters is kind of a joke.

Anthony Davis, who is having one of the best seasons ever isn't a starter.

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Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 26, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
Thon Maker apparently asking for a trade.
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Post by: MUBurrow on January 26, 2019, 04:42:25 PM
Thon Maker apparently asking for a trade.

Kind of a bummer way for it to go - i think he was either going to have a bigger role by the end of the year or get traded in the offseason anyway. This just accelerates that and runs the risk of slightly reducing the return with other teams knowing he wants out.
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Post by: BLM on January 26, 2019, 04:48:35 PM
Adios.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on January 26, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
Wunderin' how long it wood bee befour somewon put a fly in da Bucks ointment, hey?
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Post by: BLM on January 26, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
Wunderin' how long it wood bee befour somewon put a fly in da Bucks ointment, hey?

Trade him to the Herd.
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Post by: BLM on January 26, 2019, 08:16:31 PM
I’ve never seen someone use the pass to free himself up into open space like Steph Curry does and the Warriors are so good at looking for him and screening for him out of the pass. Markus should watch tape on that part of Steph’s game. It’s a thing of beauty.
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Post by: JWags85 on January 26, 2019, 11:57:31 PM
I’ve never seen someone use the pass to free himself up into open space like Steph Curry does and the Warriors are so good at looking for him and screening for him out of the pass. Markus should watch tape on that part of Steph’s game. It’s a thing of beauty.

Its such an under appreciated part of his game.  He sees an opening on the floor, gets rid of the ball to get there as it slows the defender down watching the pass and a potential screen, and then gets right back to him, its unreal.  He's the best shooter in league history but he's equally as crafty and clever with getting himself space.
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Post by: MU82 on January 27, 2019, 11:38:29 PM
Paul George threw down in Greek Freak's face.

Fun finish to the Bucks-OKC game.
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Post by: jesmu84 on January 28, 2019, 08:05:44 AM
Anthony Davis requesting trade out of NO.

Oh, and his new agent (as of September) is Rich Paul.

I bet Lebron had nothing to do with this.
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Post by: MU82 on January 28, 2019, 09:05:18 AM
Anthony Davis requesting trade out of NO.

Oh, and his new agent (as of September) is Rich Paul.

I bet Lebron had nothing to do with this.

Pelicans are in the driver's seat, as AD is signed through the end of next season. They don't need to be desperate. Plenty of time between now and the draft to get a primo deal.

You might be right about LeBron orchestrating this, but how many times have we heard that so-and-so was gonna join LeBron in L.A. only to see so-and-so go elsewhere?
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Post by: BLM on January 28, 2019, 09:29:20 AM
And apparently LBJ doesn’t want Luke Walton out, but “his camp” does. Lol. How hilarious. Now LBJ’s “camp” is causing stirs AGAINST why LBJ himself wants. Totally makes sense.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 28, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
Pelicans are in the driver's seat, as AD is signed through the end of next season. They don't need to be desperate. Plenty of time between now and the draft to get a primo deal.


They aren't completely in the driver's seat. AD can indicate which teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with. Of course a team could still take a risk on him like the Thunder did with Paul George and hope he will resign. 

Also his value decreases the later the trade is made.  Boston could be a destination but he can't be traded there until this summer for reasons I don't understand.
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Post by: Pakuni on January 28, 2019, 11:35:07 AM

Also his value decreases the later the trade is made.  Boston could be a destination but he can't be traded there until this summer for reasons I don't understand.

The NBA has a thing called the "Rose Rule" (named after Derrick) which allows teams to sign players to their second contracts above certain cap restrictions if that players has attained certain accomplishments, i.e. won an MVP, been all-NBA, etc. Under league rules, a team cannot trade for more than one player who's playing under a "Rose Rule" contract. The Celtics did that when they traded for Kyrie, so they can't add Davis (also playing under a Rose Rule contract) now. Kyrie's current deal expires at the end of the league year, so at that point the Celtics can re-sign him and then add Davis in a trade.
Hope that makes sense.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 28, 2019, 12:04:55 PM
Thanks for the explanation.  It makes sense but it doesn't in an NBA sort of way.
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Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 28, 2019, 12:12:17 PM
The NBA has a thing called the "Rose Rule" (named after Derrick) which allows teams to sign players to their second contracts above certain cap restrictions if that players has attained certain accomplishments, i.e. won an MVP, been all-NBA, etc. Under league rules, a team cannot trade for more than one player who's playing under a "Rose Rule" contract. The Celtics did that when they traded for Kyrie, so they can't add Davis (also playing under a Rose Rule contract) now. Kyrie's current deal expires at the end of the league year, so at that point the Celtics can re-sign him and then add Davis in a trade.
Hope that makes sense.
This is exactly why Lebron is totally involved. By them announcing now that they want a trade it essentially gives the lakers a 5 month head to start to come up with something before the Celtics (who are definitely a leader for his services) and start to negotiate.
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Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 12:00:50 AM
I'll say again that Pelicans have zero reason to make a panic-driven deal. Tons of time to trade him.

It'll be interesting if he ends up in L.A. Not saying it can't happen, just that I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: WarriorDad on January 29, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
I'll say again that Pelicans have zero reason to make a panic-driven deal. Tons of time to trade him.

It'll be interesting if he ends up in L.A. Not saying it can't happen, just that I'll believe it when I see it.

My beliefs, too.  Boston has much better trade assets.  Davis is young, going to Boston allows him to be a champion for a longer duration.  Playing with the Lakers may give him a short term boost at a title, but how long does LBJ play?  If you are the Pelicans, you want the best assets which Boston > Lakers in draft picks. No rush.
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Post by: BLM on January 29, 2019, 09:39:00 AM
My beliefs, too.  Boston has much better trade assets.  Davis is young, going to Boston allows him to be a champion for a longer duration.  Playing with the Lakers may give him a short term boost at a title, but how long does LBJ play?  If you are the Pelicans, you want the best assets which Boston > Lakers in draft picks. No rush.

But if you are Boston and AD's "camp" has already put it out to the media that he is "not keen" on going to Boston are you really going to give up all those assets for 1 year of an unhappy AD?

I'm not.
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Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 11:12:11 AM
Kevin Durant to The Athletic:

“AD wanted to play basketball somewhere else. It’s not like the president shutting down the government. It’s basketball. We all, as players, we want guys to do exactly what they want to do in this league. We have a short amount of time, so why not do what you want?"
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Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 29, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
But if you are Boston and AD's "camp" has already put it out to the media that he is "not keen" on going to Boston are you really going to give up all those assets for 1 year of an unhappy AD?

I'm not.


Or do you risk it and hope it works out like the Thunder did with Paul George.

Boston needs another asset to get them over the hump. When is a guy like Davis going to be available again? 
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Post by: reinko on January 29, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
I think the Knicks could be a sneaky player in this if they win the lottery.

Would #1 pick (Zion) + anyone not name Porzingis be enough?  Any chance NYK says no, and is content w/ Zion dunking in MSG for the next 10 years??

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Post by: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
Reports are that AD is going to tell teams that he'll only sign an extension with the Lakers.
So he's totally screwing the Pelicans here.
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Post by: reinko on January 29, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Reports are that AD is going to tell teams that he'll only sign an extension with the Lakers.
So he's totally screwing the Pelicans here.

I mean, it's makes logical sense.  If AD wants to go the Lakers, it is in his best interest to have the Lakers give up as little as possible so he can go there with the maximum amount of talent.  Also, if that is the case above, the Pels can do 3 things.  Take the Lakers poo poo platter of Ball, Ingram, Hart and Kuzma immediately.  Wait until the summer, when the LAL offer will go down, maybe 3 of the above, instead of all 4, then gauge what teams would offer for a one-year rental of AD.  The C's would still offer up something decent if AD was gonna bounce after a year, maybe Brown & a pick?

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Post by: forgetful on January 29, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
I mean, it's makes logical sense.  If AD wants to go the Lakers, it is in his best interest to have the Lakers give up as little as possible so he can go there with the maximum amount of talent.  Also, if that is the case above, the Pels can do 3 things.  Take the Lakers poo poo platter of Ball, Ingram, Hart and Kuzma immediately.  Wait until the summer, when the LAL offer will go down, maybe 3 of the above, instead of all 4, then gauge what teams would offer for a one-year rental of AD.  The C's would still offer up something decent if AD was gonna bounce after a year, maybe Brown & a pick?

Or seek NBA punishment of Lebron and the Lakers for tampering, which was clearly done.
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Post by: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 02:31:34 PM
Or seek NBA punishment of Lebron and the Lakers for tampering, which was clearly done.

I hate to go all slippery slope, but ruling that NBA players talking to other NBA players is "tampering," and then punishing it is, well, a pretty slippery slope.
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Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 29, 2019, 02:34:42 PM
The NBA as a product keeps getting worse and worse by the year. Nobody wants to watch their own team be garbage, and nobody is going to wants to watch the same god damn "super teams" every single year.

It's tiresome and it's a terrible product.
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Post by: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
The NBA as a product keeps getting worse and worse by the year. Nobody wants to watch their own team be garbage, and nobody is going to wants to watch the same god damn "super teams" every single year.

It's tiresome and it's a terrible product.

There are too many terrible teams and if you happen to be a fan of one of those teams, the NBA regular season isn't so great.
But the product once the playoffs roll around is anything but terrible. Outside of last year's finals series, the NBA playoffs have perhaps never been better, and the quality of athlete and quality of play has never been better.
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Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 29, 2019, 04:05:26 PM
And the NBA has always been top heavy. Nothing new in this era.
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Post by: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
And the NBA has always been top heavy. Nothing new in this era.

Good point.
Between 1980 and 1991, the Lakers appeared in 9 of 12 Finals series.
The Celtics appeared in 5, the 76ers 3 and the Pistons 3.
The other 19 NBA teams combined for four appearances.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on January 29, 2019, 05:13:03 PM
‘ho boy, this has really gotta hurt! 😳

     next thing the nba might have to consider is sitting players in the corner while writing, I Shall honor thy contract with my team and never ever discuss trades of thyself openly with the media or L’bron ever again

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25879816/anthony-davis-new-orleans-pelicans-fined-50000-public-trade-demand-agent
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Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 29, 2019, 06:02:07 PM
Good point.
Between 1980 and 1991, the Lakers appeared in 9 of 12 Finals series.
The Celtics appeared in 5, the 76ers 3 and the Pistons 3.
The other 19 NBA teams combined for four appearances.

And the Celtic / Lakers series of the 80s are considered a golden age. Just wait until they talk about Lebron’s eight Finals in row or the four straight Cavs / Warriors series.
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Post by: BLM on January 29, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
The NBA is awesome.

I went to the Marquette vs. Xavier game at the Fiserv on Sunday and then the Jazz vs. the Bucks at the Fiserv on Monday and the MU game wasn't even in the same stratosphere.  The absolute only thing the college game has on the NBA is the sentimental attachment fans have to their schools.
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Post by: GB Warrior on January 29, 2019, 07:44:13 PM
The NBA is awesome.

I went to the Marquette vs. Xavier game at the Fiserv on Sunday and then the Jazz vs. the Bucks at the Fiserv on Monday and the MU game wasn't even in the same stratosphere.  The absolute only thing the college game has on the NBA is the sentimental attachment fans have to their schools.

The atmosphere at FF for Bucks games is miles ahead of where they were in the BC. Huge improvement.

Given the budget, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they can beat MUs GameDay environment!
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Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 29, 2019, 08:07:49 PM
The NBA is awesome.

I went to the Marquette vs. Xavier game at the Fiserv on Sunday and then the Jazz vs. the Bucks at the Fiserv on Monday and the MU game wasn't even in the same stratosphere.  The absolute only thing the college game has on the NBA is the sentimental attachment fans have to their schools.

Nah, the NBA is awful. Call travels and offensive fouls first of all, stop granting and-1's three moves after the foul is called, and move the three point line back at least five feet.

I really don't want to see Steph Curry pull up from nearly half court anymore. I just personally don't find that enjoyable in the slightest.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 29, 2019, 08:11:13 PM
Nah, the NBA is awful. Call travels and offensive fouls first of all, stop granting and-1's three moves after the foul is called, and move the three point line back at least five feet.

I really don't want to see Steph Curry pull up from nearly half court anymore. I just personally don't find that enjoyable in the slightest.

Your opinion is your opinion.  Just realize that most people don't share it.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on January 29, 2019, 08:31:29 PM
The atmosphere at FF for Bucks games is miles ahead of where they were in the BC. Huge improvement.

Given the budget, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they can beat MUs GameDay environment!

Yes it is, BUT, nba games pipe in so much music and extra curricular noise throughout the game, it can seem like there’s more going on than really is.  Of course when the bucks are playing well and generating more fan enthusiasm, yes, it’s a great atmosphere.  Understand however, college has to turn off the pump it jam stuff when the ball goes into play
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Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nah, the NBA is awful. Call travels and offensive fouls first of all, stop granting and-1's three moves after the foul is called, and move the three point line back at least five feet.

I really don't want to see Steph Curry pull up from nearly half court anymore. I just personally don't find that enjoyable in the slightest.

Oh good, further encourage people to play like Brad Davison at the highest level.

And calling it awful is dumb and ill informed.  You can say you prefer the college game, but the NBA is better basketball plain and simple, no discussion.  Better shooting, better passing, better defense.  Watch KD or Steph hit 90 jumpers in a row in a video and realize its not a matter of the officiating, they are just frighteningly good players.  Moving the 3pt line back would just mean infinitely more back door layups cause good shooters would still hit, but now there is more space for cuts. I'd rather watch a random Western Conference game than any random NFL game.

I personally think the NCAA should adopt continuation, less judgement calls for the officials cause they get that wrong a lot.
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Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 29, 2019, 09:08:20 PM
Everything you just described is boring basketball to me. Obviously the talent level is superior, but that's what makes it boring to me.

I love AD and Giannis, and I respect the hell out of LeBron James. Other than that, hard pass on the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
Everything you just described is boring basketball to me. Obviously the talent level is superior, but that's what makes it boring to me.

I love AD and Giannis, and I respect the hell out of LeBron James. Other than that, hard pass on the NBA.

So your fav BB is mid level HS then?  You literally said superior talent is boring and then stated you loved two guys who are so freakish that the game looks like they are playing against little kids and the game is easy.

I'm not trying to shots at you, I just don't understand your reasoning.  I have friends that don't like the NBA too, but they can never admit its just preference.  They always have to find some inane reason why it "sucks"
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 29, 2019, 09:39:10 PM
AD, Giannis, and LeBron all aren't ridiculous shooters  ;) In all honestly I actually do think the three point line needs to be moved back at every level, even in high school.

I admit I just don't like the NBA, I much prefer to watch college and high school ball. I'll never doubt the type of athlete that the NBA produces, but I don't think that necessarily makes it a better product.
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Post by: forgetful on January 29, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
And calling it awful is dumb and ill informed.  You can say you prefer the college game, but the NBA is better basketball plain and simple, no discussion.  Better shooting, better passing, better defense.

I agree with the better shooting, better passing, better defense, but saying better basketball isn't necessarily true, so it is not "dumb or ill informed".

Especially from the standpoint of saying they should call offensive fouls, traveling, and get rid of the and 1 3 steps after the whistle is blown.

None of that is part of basketball, it is simply not calling the game as the rules are written. I do think the game would be better if they called it properly. But it would be less entertaining from a fan perspective, so it will never happen. Part of the NBA is for entertainment purposes only.
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Post by: GB Warrior on January 29, 2019, 11:57:05 PM
I laughed at the rumor that the Bucks would offer anyone not named Giannis for Davis, and the result would be:

A trade that meets salary-matching rules: Davis for Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Malcolm Brogdon, Donte DiVincenzo, D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker, Sterling Brown and Christian Wood.


https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/rumor-bucks-offer-to-trade-pelicans-anyone-besides-giannis-antetokounmpo-for-anthony-davis/ (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/rumor-bucks-offer-to-trade-pelicans-anyone-besides-giannis-antetokounmpo-for-anthony-davis/)

That leaves you with a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Giannis, AD, Tony Snell, and..um...George Hill? That's...um...not great. To steal a line from Wojo "the strength of our team is our team".

To me, this underscores why it's going to be INCREDIBLY hard for the Pelicans to pull off a trade and why the Celtics and Lakers are the only two realistic options. They are the only ones that can do this with a combination of young talent with potential and draft capital. Dear god, please go to LA and stay out of the East.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on January 30, 2019, 05:25:02 AM
People claiming NCAA > NBA need to preface their statement by saying they enjoy bad basketball.
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Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 07:53:38 AM
People claiming NCAA > NBA need to preface their statement by saying they enjoy bad basketball.

I don't think this is accurate.  Watching James Harden take an iso step back three 20+ times a game is not what I would call "good basketball".  The Rockets may win if he does that, because the talent level is so high, but there is a strong argument to be made that watching a good college team move the ball, work the shot clock, and take a good shot is significantly "better" basketball.  I'm not ripping on either NCAA or NBA, but just because the talent level is higher (most times significantly so) does not mean that you play "better basketball" in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 30, 2019, 08:28:33 AM
I don't think this is accurate.  Watching James Harden take an iso step back three 20+ times a game is not what I would call "good basketball".  The Rockets may win if he does that, because the talent level is so high, but there is a strong argument to be made that watching a good college team move the ball, work the shot clock, and take a good shot is significantly "better" basketball.  I'm not ripping on either NCAA or NBA, but just because the talent level is higher (most times significantly so) does not mean that you play "better basketball" in the NBA.

Comparing a good college play with a poor NBA play isn’t really fair. Just like it’s not fair to compare the Golden State Warriors with UW-Madison.

When the NBA is playing at pace and moving the ball, it is the best basketball on the planet. Also I think the run of the mill NBA game is way more entertaining than a run of the mill college game.

But both can be good and fun to watch in different sorts of ways. I could go the rest of my life without watching a high school game and be just fine.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 08:39:25 AM
Comparing a good college play with a poor NBA play isn’t really fair. Just like it’s not fair to compare the Golden State Warriors with UW-Madison.

When the NBA is playing at pace and moving the ball, it is the best basketball on the planet. Also I think the run of the mill NBA game is way more entertaining than a run of the mill college game.

But both can be good and fun to watch in different sorts of ways. I could go the rest of my life without watching a high school game and be just fine.

That's the thing though it's not just one possession, it's the majority of the game.  The NBA is obviously more talented, but I think an neutral observer would say that Virginia plays "good basketball" more than the Rockets do, despite the snail like pace versus the current NBA meta.  The NBA is 100% about entertainment, which is why Harden has been getting so many headlines about the ridiculous numbers he's been putting up despite Houston being 7-6 over their last 13 games.  He's arguably the best offensive player in history, but he does not play "good basketball" most of the time, which explains the recent record.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on January 30, 2019, 08:50:51 AM
I don't know.  I hate that Harden gets away with shoving his defender 5 feet backwards and then taking 6 steps back to the 3 point line and everyone drools over that, but the guy's court vision and passing is incredible, along with the shots he's able to hit.  When he gets by his defender and help comes there's nobody better at finding his big man at the rim or skip passing to a corner shooter as the corner shooter's man rotates to help on the vacated big.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 30, 2019, 08:51:44 AM
I didn’t say it was one possession. The NBA iso game has largely fallen out of favor so watching Harden doing things like he is doing is largely the exception and not how successful teams operate.

And he isn’t arguably the best offensive player in history either.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on January 30, 2019, 08:52:17 AM
People claiming NCAA > NBA need to preface their statement by saying they enjoy bad basketball.

This.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on January 30, 2019, 09:36:29 AM
People claiming NCAA > NBA need to preface their statement by saying they enjoy bad basketball.

Bad may be a bit harsh, but it's certainly inferior.
Love the notion that players being too good at shooting (hence the need to move back the 3-point line), the continuation rule and the lack of offensive fouls = bad basketball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on January 30, 2019, 09:56:13 AM
My car said the temperature went up from -26 to -25 on my 20 minute drive into work today, so that was nice.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 10:03:04 AM
Bad may be a bit harsh, but it's certainly inferior.
Love the notion that players being too good at shooting (hence the need to move back the 3-point line), the continuation rule and the lack of offensive fouls = bad basketball.

You said what I was trying to say, only better.  In terms of overall talent, and entertainment value, the NBA will win out 95% of the time, but there is so much NBA where a team will run no offense for 20 seconds, and then still hit a three, just because they are THAT good at shooting.  Entertaining, yes, but IMO it is not "good" basketball.  Now this happens in college too, just less frequently and with a much lower success rate.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 30, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
You said what I was trying to say, only better.  In terms of overall talent, and entertainment value, the NBA will win out 95% of the time, but there is so much NBA where a team will run no offense for 20 seconds, and then still hit a three, just because they are THAT good at shooting.  Entertaining, yes, but IMO it is not "good" basketball.  Now this happens in college too, just less frequently and with a much lower success rate.


I guess I don't understand how that isn't "good" basketball.  You just said they are more successful at the ultimate objective of the game.  Doesn't that make it "good?"
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 10:22:52 AM

I guess I don't understand how that isn't "good" basketball.  You just said they are more successful at the ultimate objective of the game.  Doesn't that make it "good?"

I would define "good" basketball as getting the highest percentage shot on every trip down the floor.  Due to pure shooting ability, most NBA teams have a majority of possessions that don't end this way, and yet you can still win, thus being more "successful at the ultimate objective".  Harden or Westbrook taking a contested 3, 5 seconds into the shot clock may go in, but watching a Pop team move the ball, with every player touching it on a possession that ends in a open mid-range jumper is a higher quality possession to me (even if the shot is missed).  Houston has beaten San Antonio 2 out of 3 games this year, and are higher in the standings, but the Spurs play "better" basketball.  All IMO of course.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 30, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
I would define "good" basketball as getting the highest percentage shot on every trip down the floor.  Due to pure shooting ability, most NBA teams have a majority of possessions that don't end this way, and yet you can still win, thus being more "successful at the ultimate objective".  Harden or Westbrook taking a contested 3, 5 seconds into the shot clock may go in, but watching a Pop team move the ball, with every player touching it on a possession that ends in a open mid-range jumper is a higher quality possession to me (even if the shot is missed).  Houston has beaten San Antonio 2 out of 3 games this year, and are higher in the standings, but the Spurs play "better" basketball.  All IMO of course.


So making a 3 point shot isn't as "good" as moving the ball a lot and missing a mid-range 2 point shot?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 10:47:47 AM

So making a 3 point shot isn't as "good" as moving the ball a lot and missing a mid-range 2 point shot?

You're twisting my words around a bit but yes.
Taking (and potentially making) a contested three point shot, early in the shot clock* is not as good of a possession as one that includes good ball movement and an open (miss-able) 2 point shot.  Whether or not the ball goes in is not the only factor in determining the quality of the possession.

*Obvious exceptions include heat checks, and 2-for-1 opportunities.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2019, 11:57:18 AM
I like basketball.

NBA, college, high school.

Heck, during my 4 years coaching middle school, I saw a lot of talented players.

The NBA has the best athletes in the world, and I enjoy watching them. I love the passion the fans bring to college basketball, in addition to the fine athletes doing their thing; having a rooting interest in a college team makes it extra fun. HS hoops in my last two stops - NC and Chicago - is/was pretty darn good and I've enjoyed it a lot. It's great to see young stars on the rise, and that goes for athletes of each gender.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on January 30, 2019, 12:28:58 PM
You said what I was trying to say, only better.  In terms of overall talent, and entertainment value, the NBA will win out 95% of the time, but there is so much NBA where a team will run no offense for 20 seconds, and then still hit a three, just because they are THAT good at shooting.  Entertaining, yes, but IMO it is not "good" basketball.  Now this happens in college too, just less frequently and with a much lower success rate.

So you love the WNBA and women's CBB then?  Cause strip away the athleticism and strength that allows some of the ridiculous shooting and driving to the basket and you get a more pure form of basketball played in women's ball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 12:39:32 PM
So you love the WNBA and women's CBB then?  Cause strip away the athleticism and strength that allows some of the ridiculous shooting and driving to the basket and you get a more pure form of basketball played in women's ball.

I don't dislike the WNBA or NCAAW like some do.  I think the skill drop off is significant compared to the all male counterparts, which creates a less desirable game more-so than just pure athleticism as it seems that you're trying to imply. 

Look, I'm not trying to hate on the NBA, I watch and enjoy plenty of it.  I was just disputing the assertion that the NBA is always better than college ball.  Most times the NBA is more entertaining and better, sometimes college is.  I hardly think that is some over the top opinion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 30, 2019, 03:47:32 PM
You said what I was trying to say, only better.  In terms of overall talent, and entertainment value, the NBA will win out 95% of the time, but there is so much NBA where a team will run no offense for 20 seconds, and then still hit a three, just because they are THAT good at shooting.  Entertaining, yes, but IMO it is not "good" basketball.  Now this happens in college too, just less frequently and with a much lower success rate.

So the difference for MU is....they pound it for 25 seconds before MH lets it fly :)

1. For me, it makes the game so interesting. I don't think it's horrible offense, but rather good defense that doesn't allow easy buckets. Play great defense for twenty seconds and get your heart broken from a guy nailing a step back 3.

Whereas college, there are so many easy buckets since you don't have these freak athletes at the bucket or the lanky shooter in college is to slow on his coverage on a 5'8'' guard.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on January 30, 2019, 04:15:19 PM
I don't dislike the WNBA or NCAAW like some do.  I think the skill drop off is significant compared to the all male counterparts, which creates a less desirable game more-so than just pure athleticism as it seems that you're trying to imply. 

What skill drop off?  Their shooting percentages aren't wildly different.  They score similar amounts.  The main difference between the male and female game is 100% athleticism and size.

Look, I'm not trying to hate on the NBA, I watch and enjoy plenty of it.  I was just disputing the assertion that the NBA is always better than college ball.  Most times the NBA is more entertaining and better, sometimes college is.  I hardly think that is some over the top opinion.

Thats fair.  I don't think its over the top, but your take is more nuanced.  Others earlier in the thread said the NBA sucks, college rules.  There are plenty of people who say that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on January 31, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
What in the hell are the Knicks doing?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on January 31, 2019, 03:03:04 PM
What in the hell are the Knicks doing?

It has to be Dennis Smith and picks, right? I can't imagine a combination of Mavericks assets that would be enough for me to trade Kristaps, torn ACL and all.

Edit - Not even, its the cap space. They must think they're getting Durant.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
What in the hell are the Knicks doing?

What the Knicks always do. Blow it up and create cap space for max contracts, find out that nobody really wants to play there since the organization sucks and hasn't been relevant for a generation, and then overpay for the likes of Goran Dragic.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: LAMUfan on January 31, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
Dennis smith, wes, jordan, draft assets maybe
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: nyg on January 31, 2019, 03:36:59 PM
Knicks clear salaries of Hardaway and Lee, soon Kanter.
After season release Matthews and Jordan.
Don’t have to negotiate any multi year deal with Porzingis after season since he is gone.

Knicks will have an extraordinary cap space after this, I hope they have some indication that free agent players, yes plural, have made it known somehow they are in play for next year.  This is a complete blowup and leaves them with a young core:

Dennis Smith
Kevin Knox
Mitchell Robinson
Noah Vonleh
And a group of wannabes.

Hopefully they get #1 pick and Zion, then add Durant and someone else like Leonard. Don’t think they have assests for Anthony Davis trade.  I liked Porzingis and he was very popular with fans.  Hope they have plan in place, otherwise this could be disaster. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on January 31, 2019, 04:00:39 PM
It’s times like this I wish the Bulls were good and had competent management. Porzingis was on sale for 50 cents on the dollar. If he is fully recovered and re-ups with Dallas, that’s a hell of a 1-2 punch for the Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on January 31, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
It’s times like this I wish the Bulls were good and had competent management. Porzingis was on sale for 50 cents on the dollar. If he is fully recovered and re-ups with Dallas, that’s a hell of a 1-2 punch for the Mavs.

Doesn’t sound like he’s going to be staying in Dallas long term.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 31, 2019, 04:55:23 PM
Doesn’t sound like he’s going to be staying in Dallas long term.

Where do you see that?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on January 31, 2019, 05:56:52 PM
Where do you see that?

Based on my limited understanding of NBA contract rules, this would mean he becomes an unrestricted free agent after next year and can go anywhere. He may resign with Dallas but read some places he’s looking to be a FA.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1091080742749253632?s=21
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on January 31, 2019, 05:58:00 PM
Knicks clear salaries of Hardaway and Lee, soon Kanter.
After season release Matthews and Jordan.
Don’t have to negotiate any multi year deal with Porzingis after season since he is gone.

Knicks will have an extraordinary cap space after this, I hope they have some indication that free agent players, yes plural, have made it known somehow they are in play for next year.  This is a complete blowup and leaves them with a young core:

Dennis Smith
Kevin Knox
Mitchell Robinson
Noah Vonleh
And a group of wannabes.

Hopefully they get #1 pick and Zion, then add Durant and someone else like Leonard. Don’t think they have assests for Anthony Davis trade.  I liked Porzingis and he was very popular with fans.  Hope they have plan in place, otherwise this could be disaster.

And Alonzo Trier. Plus foreseeably Zion, Barrett, or Hachimura perhaps. That’s a very nice young core. Again, all depends on FAs. There is A LOT of talk from fairly knowledgeable NBA guys about Durant in NY. If so, those pieces with KD makes them a player for another max...Cousins?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: nyg on January 31, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
And Alonzo Trier. Plus foreseeably Zion, Barrett, or Hachimura perhaps. That’s a very nice young core. Again, all depends on FAs. There is A LOT of talk from fairly knowledgeable NBA guys about Durant in NY. If so, those pieces with KD makes them a player for another max...Cousins?

Not Cousins, Kyrie.  Rumor talk crazy, even Butler being brought up now. 

Knicks got two #1 ‘s in deal and they want Zion bad.  If they lose out in lottery and get let’s say #2 overall pick, they use the two Dallas #1’s to move up. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on January 31, 2019, 06:31:34 PM
For the last 20 years there has been “talk” of <insert name here> going to the Knicks.

But it never happens.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on January 31, 2019, 06:34:28 PM
If the Knicks are able to get KD and Kyrie (or KD then AD next year) then it's a good move.  Otherwise one of those two plus a Butler or Cousins just doesn't do it for me.  I'm not nearly as high on guys like Zion/Reddish/Barrett/Rui as many are, nor am I nearly as high on the Knicks "young core."  I just don't think Trier, Knox, Robinson, or Vonleh do much in terms of helping a true NBA contender.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on January 31, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
For the last 20 years there has been “talk” of <insert name here> going to the Knicks.

But it never happens.

I think Fizdale makes a difference. And Perry is a smart GM with a good pedigree to me.

Also, KD seems like he’s ready to be a contrarian trendsetter. Kyrie’s sudden displeasure in Boston is interesting timing too.

I think it’s unfair to look at the young core and make that assessment already. Robinson is still beyond inexperienced and shows flashes, and all they need is one of the guards to be a solid 3/4 option. And no better position for one of the Duke freshmen to come into than not having to be THE MAN immediately.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: drewm88 on January 31, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Unless Jimmy or Wade gets named as a replacement for Oladipo or someone else, we're about to have our first NBA All-Star Game without a Marquette rep since 2004.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Bocephys on February 01, 2019, 03:34:22 AM
Unless Jimmy or Wade gets named as a replacement for Oladipo or someone else, we're about to have our first NBA All-Star Game without a Marquette rep since 2004.

You don't think Giannis is an honorary Marquette alum?  Ohio State acts like LeBron went there all the time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: drewm88 on February 01, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
They've added Dwyane and Dirk as special additions to the rosters. So the streak lives on!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CTWarrior on February 01, 2019, 03:17:37 PM
People claiming NCAA > NBA need to preface their statement by saying they enjoy bad basketball.
I don't particularly like the NBA until the playoffs start.  I get the players are tremendous and everything, but the games don't mean anything.  It doesn't matter who wins.  You know who the handful of teams with any hope of winning the title are before the season starts.  You know unequivocally who has a chance after 25 games and there are still 57 games to go.  The only important things that can happen in those last 57 games is that someone could get injured.  Even the first round of the playoffs are pointless.  The 1-8 and 2-7 series are mismatches, 4-5 series is just to provide round 2 fodder for the top seed and the 3-6 series is either a mismatch or to provide fodder is for the 2 seed, sometimes both. 

But when you get nearer the end, it is spectacular basketball.  I know they could never, ever do this, but it would be so much better if they cut the season roughly in half and you had the best players in the world going at it with each other in the playoffs with much fresher legs.  Now you've got to wade through a ton of pointless basketball to get to the good, important stuff.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 01, 2019, 06:39:49 PM
So the father of the player who is demanding a trade from his team does not want his son going to the Celtics because they showed no loyalty when they traded IT.  Makes sense...

And what exactly has IT done since then?  Just makes the Celtics look attractive if you ask me.  They know their stuff and will put a competitive product on the court.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2019, 07:30:47 PM
They've added Dwyane and Dirk as special additions to the rosters. So the streak lives on!

A bit of a "lifetime achievement award" feel to it, but so what? Nobody remembers when a guy is added because of injury to another player, either.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on February 02, 2019, 11:33:48 PM
So the father of the player who is demanding a trade from his team does not want his son going to the Celtics because they showed no loyalty when they traded IT.  Makes sense...

And what exactly has IT done since then?  Just makes the Celtics look attractive if you ask me.  They know their stuff and will put a competitive product on the court.

Some Archie Manning “Eli to San Diego” stuff there, aina? Issuing a statement that the Brow doesn’t want Boston to get the Celts to leak that they won’t make a run so NO takes LAL’s offer? Doubt it will work but worth a try, and insulates AD from the criticism he would face if he said it himself.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on February 06, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
Does Tobias Harris really push a team over the top?  You now essentially have no bench too, good luck playing your starting five 48 mpg in a seven game series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 08:15:48 AM
Does Tobias Harris really push a team over the top?  You know essentially have no bench too, good luck playing your starting five 48 mpg in a seven game series.

They have no bench because they gave up two bench players, Muscala and Shamet?
If they think Fultz is coming back anytime soon, he can take Shamet's minutes, so that's a wash. Muscala's production and minutes are hardly irreplaceable.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on February 06, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
They have no bench because they gave up two bench players, Muscala and Shamet?
If they think Fultz is coming back anytime soon, he can take Shamet's minutes, so that's a wash. Muscala's production and minutes are hardly irreplaceable.

I haven't seen anything that suggests that Fultz is coming back this season.  Am I just not looking in the right place?
Keep in mind that the 76ers already gave up both Covington and Saric to get Jimmy.  Consistently giving up 2 role players for 1 starter is a quick way to deplete your bench.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on February 06, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
Does Tobias Harris really push a team over the top?  You now essentially have no bench too, good luck playing your starting five 48 mpg in a seven game series.

Jimmy would be used to this with Thibs.

I’ve seen some speculation that this could be setting up the Clippers to offer some of those picks for AD.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 09:02:38 AM
Consistently giving up 2 role players for 1 starter is a quick way to deplete your bench.

But this wasn't a 2-for-1 deal. It was a 3-for-3 deal. The Sixers are getting back Boban, who's arguably an upgrade over Muscala as a backup to Embiid, and Mike Scott. There's no obvious replacement for Shamet there, but I would imagine some veteran guard capable of 15 minutes a night off the bench (Lin, perhaps?) is going to get kicked loose at the trade deadline.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on February 06, 2019, 09:11:38 AM
But this wasn't a 2-for-1 deal. It was a 3-for-3 deal. The Sixers are getting back Boban, who's arguably an upgrade over Muscala as a backup to Embiid, and Mike Scott. There's no obvious replacement for Shamet there, but I would imagine some veteran guard capable of 15 minutes a night off the bench (Lin, perhaps?) is going to get kicked loose at the trade deadline.

Boban + Scott = 24 min 11 points combined.  Chandler + Muscala = 48 min 13 points combined.  The points are pretty much a wash, but the minutes are killer, you're going to need a lot from your starters in this scenario.  Lin is also a significant downgrade versus Shamet.  I don't blame the Sixers for going for it, but I think the Clips got the better deal, especially since one of the picks is un-protected.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 09:36:31 AM
Boban + Scott = 24 min 11 points combined.  Chandler + Muscala = 48 min 13 points combined.  The points are pretty much a wash, but the minutes are killer, you're going to need a lot from your starters in this scenario.  Lin is also a significant downgrade versus Shamet.  I don't blame the Sixers for going for it, but I think the Clips got the better deal, especially since one of the picks is un-protected.

So, where do you figure Tobias Harris in this equation?
Boban and Scott don't have to pick up Chandler's minutes. Harris is going to take those and then some.

I don't see how you figure the Clippers got the better end of this. They gave up their best player, a borderline all star in his prime, for a three rotational players and two draft picks that very likely will fall outside the lottery ... which typically lands you more rotational players.
In a star-driven league, assembling a bunch of 4th through 8th men isn't a winning formula. I understand why the Clippers would do this given their circumstances and Harris' expiring contract, especially if they're setting up something bigger, but they're not getting back any impact players here unless they get lucky in the draft.
In the meantime, the Sixers fill two of their biggest needs - a true 4 and another shooting threat - at once without sacrificing a key player or high pick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on February 06, 2019, 09:47:09 AM
So, where do you figure Tobias Harris in this equation?
Boban and Scott don't have to pick up Chandler's minutes. Harris is going to take those and then some.

I don't see how you figure the Clippers got the better end of this. They gave up their best player, a borderline all star in his prime, for a three rotational players and two draft picks that very likely will fall outside the lottery ... which typically lands you more rotational players.
In a star-driven league, assembling a bunch of 4th through 8th men isn't a winning formula. I understand why the Clippers would do this given their circumstances and Harris' expiring contract, especially if they're setting up something bigger, but they're not getting back any impact players here unless they get lucky in the draft.
In the meantime, the Sixers fill two of their biggest needs - a true 4 and another shooting threat - at once without sacrificing a key player or high pick.

Before the trade, the Clippers ceiling was maybe the 7th seed and 1st round elimination in the playoffs, now they have enough cap space to go for a big free agent and more picks to offer in a trade for a superstar.  Harris was never going to be a superstar, he was kind of in that second tier player.  Your Middleton, McCollum, Conley type player.  Solid player, but you're never going to build a championship team around them.  It's a superstar driven league, and now they have increased their chances of getting a superstar. 

I really don't believe that Harris moves the needle that much for Phily.  I think their ceiling before was Conference Finals, and I don't think adding him changes that.  As of right now, their path to the finals goes through Indiana, Milwaukee, and either Toronto or Boston.  I don't believe that they can beat all three of those teams even with Harris. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
I wish the Clippers would have traded Harris before he almost singlehandedly beat the Hornets last night!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 06, 2019, 12:28:12 PM
Maker two da Pistons four Johnson. Bucks lose half a foot in da deel. Neva a good thang ta lose 6 inches, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on February 06, 2019, 12:37:24 PM
So, where do you figure Tobias Harris in this equation?
Boban and Scott don't have to pick up Chandler's minutes. Harris is going to take those and then some.

I don't see how you figure the Clippers got the better end of this. They gave up their best player, a borderline all star in his prime, for a three rotational players and two draft picks that very likely will fall outside the lottery ... which typically lands you more rotational players.
In a star-driven league, assembling a bunch of 4th through 8th men isn't a winning formula. I understand why the Clippers would do this given their circumstances and Harris' expiring contract, especially if they're setting up something bigger, but they're not getting back any impact players here unless they get lucky in the draft.
In the meantime, the Sixers fill two of their biggest needs - a true 4 and another shooting threat - at once without sacrificing a key player or high pick.

One of the first round picks the Clippers are getting from Philly is Miami’s unprotected 2021 1st. That’s got potential to be a really nice get.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 02:13:00 PM
One of the first round picks the Clippers are getting from Philly is Miami’s unprotected 2021 1st. That’s got potential to be a really nice get.

Maybe, if the East gets a whole lot better in the next couple of years. Otherwise, Miami has enough of a decent young core to remain competitive for the 6-8th seed over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on February 06, 2019, 02:25:10 PM
By my calculations, the Harris trade moves the Sixers from the 4th best team in the East to (checks notes) the 4th best team in the East.

Honestly, even though they are better (without moving the needle because of decimated depth), you have to give props to them for trying to find SOMETHING that might put them in a spot to content. No point in trying to stand pat with a roster you know won't cut it. By all metrics, Harris fits a really key need for them. Just don't think it'll matter against the Raptors or Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Chili on February 06, 2019, 02:32:09 PM
One of the first round picks the Clippers are getting from Philly is Miami’s unprotected 2021 1st. That’s got potential to be a really nice get.

Clippers just setting up to free space for Kawhi.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 06:56:19 PM
Otto Porter to the Bulls for Parker and Portis.
This seems like (gulp) a solid deal for the Bulls.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on February 06, 2019, 10:03:17 PM
Otto Porter to the Bulls for Parker and Portis.
This seems like (gulp) a solid deal for the Bulls.

Meh, that’s a hefty dollar amount to pay Porter with his trade kicker and player option for $28 mil in two years. I don’t mind Porter as a player, he’s the best player in this deal, but for a team saving money, seems like a meh move.

Portis probably would have got an offer sheet from someone this summer. The Jabari experience was a disaster.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2019, 10:49:04 PM
Meh, that’s a hefty dollar amount to pay Porter with his trade kicker and player option for $28 mil in two years. I don’t mind Porter as a player, he’s the best player in this deal, but for a team saving money, seems like a meh move.

Portis probably would have got an offer sheet from someone this summer. The Jabari experience was a disaster.

What are the Bulls saving money for? Durant and Irving aren't walking through that door this summer and the 2020 free agency class is trash.
Definitely not suggesting this somehow makes the Bulls as currently constructed a playoff team, but they got a quality player they can afford and be part of their future, in return for a pair of malcontents who weren't going to be with the team in two months.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on February 07, 2019, 09:30:35 AM
What are the Bulls saving money for? Durant and Irving aren't walking through that door this summer and the 2020 free agency class is trash.
Definitely not suggesting this somehow makes the Bulls as currently constructed a playoff team, but they got a quality player they can afford and be part of their future, in return for a pair of malcontents who weren't going to be with the team in two months.

I meant operationally they are in saving money mindset. They traded Butler because they didn’t want to pay him. They’ve manipulated their roster to transact to get cash (Jordan Bell, every trade they’ve made this year has brought cash back, sans Porter). If all these moves they made were to build to acquire Porter, then it makes sense. But every recent trade transaction has been on saving cash. I’m not saying that’s a bad move if you suck like they do, it just strikes me as semi-odd to get Porter at his price tag. Maybe they really love him though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 07, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
I meant operationally they are in saving money mindset. They traded Butler because they didn’t want to pay him. They’ve manipulated their roster to transact to get cash (Jordan Bell, every trade they’ve made this year has brought cash back, sans Porter). If all these moves they made were to build to acquire Porter, then it makes sense. But every recent trade transaction has been on saving cash. I’m not saying that’s a bad move if you suck like they do, it just strikes me as semi-odd to get Porter at his price tag. Maybe they really love him though.

You're not wrong, but I really don't care if they're saving money or not. As a basketball move, it's a good one, IMO, even if it means they'll be overpaying Porter (which they are).
FWIW, I think trading Jimmy had less to do with paying him as it did believing they couldn't build a contender around him, given their other assets at the time. And as much as I live Jimmy, they were right. They were in NBA hell with Jimmy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 07, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

Bucks will send Jason Smith and Stanley Johnson to Pelicans for Mirotic, per source.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on February 07, 2019, 12:16:58 PM
Horst is a wild man. Totally exceeding my expectations.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Bocephys on February 07, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

Bucks will send Jason Smith and Stanley Johnson to Pelicans for Mirotic, per source.

Whoa, that's a phenomenal trade. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on February 07, 2019, 12:46:22 PM
You're not wrong, but I really don't care if they're saving money or not. As a basketball move, it's a good one, IMO, even if it means they'll be overpaying Porter (which they are).
FWIW, I think trading Jimmy had less to do with paying him as it did believing they couldn't build a contender around him, given their other assets at the time. And as much as I live Jimmy, they were right. They were in NBA hell with Jimmy.

Good points, I don’t disagree with any of that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 07, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
Awesome trade for the Bucks.  Their bench is now Hill, Snell, Brown, DJ Wilson, Mirotic, Connaughton, and Ersan.  Incredible depth.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 07, 2019, 01:01:30 PM
I do not like Marc Gasol going to the Raptors for basically nothing.  They'll now start Lowry, Kawhi, Siakam, Ibaka, Gasol.  That is scary length and still the ability to spread the floor with the jump shot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 07, 2019, 01:13:22 PM
I do not like Marc Gasol going to the Raptors for basically nothing.  They'll now start Lowry, Kawhi, Siakam, Ibaka, Gasol.  That is scary length and still the ability to spread the floor with the jump shot.

Hornets were supposedly trying to get Gasol, too. Oh well ... they weren't gonna win an NBA title with him or without him, and he has a pretty ugly contract next season -- $26M or so.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on February 07, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
I do not like Marc Gasol going to the Raptors for basically nothing.  They'll now start Lowry, Kawhi, Siakam, Ibaka, Gasol.  That is scary length and still the ability to spread the floor with the jump shot.

What does Memphis get out of that deal? Its not like they really get any salary relief given that Valunciunas is owed only $8M less next year. Delon Wright isn't very good. No picks.

Gasol might be a Brook Lopez antidote, so don't love that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 07, 2019, 01:44:42 PM
What does Memphis get out of that deal? Its not like they really get any salary relief given that Valunciunas is owed only $8M less next year. Delon Wright isn't very good. No picks.

Gasol might be a Brook Lopez antidote, so don't love that.

They got a 2024 draft pick, so nothing.  Then again in 2024 the Raptors could be without Lowry and Kawhi so maybe that pick turns into something, but that's 5 years out.  And CJ Miles is literally just a catch and shoot player, no other skills.  I can't imagine they couldn't get something better for Marc Gasol, but I guess not.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 07, 2019, 04:33:38 PM
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2818308-jimmy-butler-is-always-keeping-score.amp.html

Didn't see this posted but good Jimmy article
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on February 07, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
@ShamsCharania
Wesley Matthews will be released by the New York Knicks today and plans to sign with the Indiana Pacers, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium. Major wing addition for the Pacers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 07, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
Awesome trade for the Bucks.  Their bench is now Hill, Snell, Brown, DJ Wilson, Mirotic, Connaughton, and Ersan.  Incredible depth.

love the trade(mirotic) and i like ersan, but he's gotta be lookin over his shoulder a little.  does turkey and montenegro get along?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on February 07, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
love the trade(mirotic) and i like ersan, but he's gotta be lookin over his shoulder a little.  does turkey and montenegro get along?

Hard to look over his shoulder when Niko immediately moves in front of him. Immediately the first guy off the bench. Just a perfect fit for this year's roster. And in addition, they clear a roster spot for a buyout guy - just a bit bummed it won't be Matthews
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on February 07, 2019, 08:11:27 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/isnt-that-tampering-giannis-to-lebron-who-100-tampered-with-every-all-star-linked-to-the-lakers
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 07, 2019, 09:23:08 PM
Hard to look over his shoulder when Niko immediately moves in front of him. Immediately the first guy off the bench. Just a perfect fit for this year's roster. And in addition, they clear a roster spot for a buyout guy - just a bit bummed it won't be Matthews

good point.  maybe i should have said looking over niko's shoulder
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WarriorDad on February 07, 2019, 10:44:20 PM
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2818308-jimmy-butler-is-always-keeping-score.amp.html

Didn't see this posted but good Jimmy article

Wish he wouldn't say the finest woman part, even though there is some truth to it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
What does Memphis get out of that deal? Its not like they really get any salary relief given that Valunciunas is owed only $8M less next year.

Memphis actually got a ton of salary relief because Gasol has a player option for nearly $26 million next season and he surely is going to exercise it because he ain't getting $26M on the open market.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 08, 2019, 02:22:19 PM
Memphis actually got a ton of salary relief because Gasol has a player option for nearly $26 million next season and he surely is going to exercise it because he ain't getting $26M on the open market.

But Valancunis is set to make $17M next year, CJ Miles is set to make $8M next year, and Norman POwell is set to make $10M next year and $11M the year after.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2019, 07:36:35 PM
But Valancunis is set to make $17M next year, CJ Miles is set to make $8M next year, and Norman POwell is set to make $10M next year and $11M the year after.

Oh, wades, you and your facts.

For some reason, I thought the other two besides Valancunis were supposed to be off the payroll after this season. Thanks for setting me straight.

Well then ... that trade really blows for Memphis. I'm guessing that the Hornets must have wanted them to take an even worse contract, like Batum's maybe, because it's hard to believe that otherwise the trade would have been worse for Memphis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 08, 2019, 07:44:43 PM
Oh, wades, you and your facts.

For some reason, I thought the other two besides Valancunis were supposed to be off the payroll after this season. Thanks for setting me straight.

Well then ... that trade really blows for Memphis. I'm guessing that the Hornets must have wanted them to take an even worse contract, like Batum's maybe, because it's hard to believe that otherwise the trade would have been worse for Memphis.

I did just do quick looks at only the salaries for each year. Maybe the other 2 are easy cuts in the offseason or something, not sure on that part.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on February 09, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/2019/02/pistons-sign-wayne-ellington-waive-henry-ellenson.html

Pistons release Henry
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
I saw Henry play last weekend.   He has filled out.    This should be his senior year.      And his game is about where you would expect it to be if he had stayed at MU.    He still does many of the same things he did and could in college.    Get a defensive rebound and go end to end with either hand, a rarity among 6'11 players.     Shoot his team into or out of games from 3.     Defensively, I can say his effort and technique have increased over the last 3 years.    The results have not.   Not strong enough to guard a 5, not quick enough to guard an NBA 3-4. 

Again, this should be his senior year.    I hope he either finds a good fit in Europe or an NBA team that can use his skill set and cover for his defense.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2019, 09:47:22 AM
I saw Henry play last weekend.   He has filled out.    This should be his senior year.      And his game is about where you would expect it to be if he had stayed at MU.    He still does many of the same things he did and could in college.    Get a defensive rebound and go end to end with either hand, a rarity among 6'11 players.     Shoot his team into or out of games from 3.     Defensively, I can say his effort and technique have increased over the last 3 years.    The results have not.   Not strong enough to guard a 5, not quick enough to guard an NBA 3-4. 

Again, this should be his senior year.    I hope he either finds a good fit in Europe or an NBA team that can use his skill set and cover for his defense.   

Based on this assessment, tower, it sounds like Henry made the right decision to go.

He has millions of dollars in the bank (I hope), he has gotten better at many things, and he probably would not have gotten appreciably better had he stayed at Marquette while risking exposing his weaknesses and/or injury.

Of course, he also had to grow up maybe quicker than he wanted and he faces an uncertain basketball future at an age when many are just getting excited about the prospects of their careers.

We can't know if he feels sadness or regret about those things, or if he misses the "college experience." But if it were me, I'd be satisfied with my decision and would be looking for other opportunities, be they here or abroad.

As a fan, I'm grateful for his one year here -- I enjoyed watching that team play most of the time -- and for the jolt of credibility he helped give Wojo's program.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on February 12, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Wtf

https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1095373767868583937?s=19
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on February 22, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
Fun night in the Association last night:

 - Bucks get a big win vs the C's that causes Bill Simmons to cry crocodile tears on twitter and then get owned by the Bucks official account.

 - Dave Joerger further cements that he's going to win Coach of the Year and then promptly get fired, and neither will be the wrong call.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 22, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
Fun night in the Association last night:

- Bucks get a big win vs the C's that causes Bill Simmons to cry crocodile tears on twitter and then get owned by the Bucks official account.

 - Dave Joerger further cements that he's going to win Coach of the Year and then promptly get fired, and neither will be the wrong call.

That's awesome, I'll have to find this.  The Bucks played SO bad last night and still go the win.  Ersan is coming back around and Mirotic is going to really help.  I really think the Bucks are the 2nd best team in the NBA by a pretty decent margin, it'll just come down to whether players not named Giannis can perform when teams make those guys beat them in the Playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on February 22, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
That's awesome, I'll have to find this.  The Bucks played SO bad last night and still go the win.  Ersan is coming back around and Mirotic is going to really help.  I really think the Bucks are the 2nd best team in the NBA by a pretty decent margin, it'll just come down to whether players not named Giannis can perform when teams make those guys beat them in the Playoffs.

I was very confused how the Bucks were called for a shot clock violation under 4 seconds. Turns out that was one of a slew of calls that were missed. Some went against the Celts, but based on this there were tow missed calls in the final 4 seconds that - if made properly - means the Celts don't get that last shot

  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26057309/nba-says-referees-missed-multiple-calls-end-milwaukee-bucks-boston-celtics-game   (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26057309/nba-says-referees-missed-multiple-calls-end-milwaukee-bucks-boston-celtics-game)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/b0/25/68b025a73344970e9703c6af3da978b7.gif)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on February 23, 2019, 12:14:44 AM
Another fun night - DeRozan’s return to Toronto very cool, PG with a crazy game winner over Gobert to cement his entry into the MVP conversation. The NBA is popping right now.

Also SVP and Legler are probably the best sportscenter combo in the last ten years. Legler is great at breaking down tape and SVP brings out the best in his analysts.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2019, 07:39:09 AM
Another fun night - DeRozan’s return to Toronto very cool, PG with a crazy game winner over Gobert to cement his entry into the MVP conversation. The NBA is popping right now.

Also SVP and Legler are probably the best sportscenter combo in the last ten years. Legler is great at breaking down tape and SVP brings out the best in his analysts.

That was a heck of a shot by George, that's for sure. Split two defenders at about the FT line and then lofted that floater waaaaay high to get it over Gobert. The Jazz got Korver a pretty darn good look at the buzzer but it was just off. Entertaining 4Q and OT.

Also agree about the combo of SVP (who isn't always my cup of tea) and Legler.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 23, 2019, 11:27:40 AM
That was a heck of a shot by George, that's for sure. Split two defenders at about the FT line and then lofted that floater waaaaay high to get it over Gobert. The Jazz got Korver a pretty darn good look at the buzzer but it was just off. Entertaining 4Q and OT.

Also agree about the combo of SVP (who isn't always my cup of tea) and Legler.

Let's not ignore Abdel Nader's clutch 3 and solid defense on Mitchell  8-)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2019, 03:07:27 PM
Let's not ignore Abdel Nader's clutch 3 and solid defense on Mitchell  8-)

Yep, he came in cold off the bench after Russ fouled out and hit that 3. Big time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on February 28, 2019, 11:34:09 AM
I think it's absolutely hysterical that it takes LeBron going from Cleveland to LA for people to finally admit the guy is a phony, conceited, terrible teammate.  It's been evident for well over a decade but nobody could say a bad thing about the guy...until he went to the Lakers.

I have to give him credit, though.  He went into "Playoff Mode," activated it early, and boy oh boy has his defensive effort been outstanding!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on February 28, 2019, 11:39:21 AM
I think it's absolutely hysterical that it takes LeBron going from Cleveland to LA for people to finally admit the guy is a phony, conceited, terrible teammate.  It's been evident for well over a decade but nobody could say a bad thing about the guy...until he went to the Lakers.

I have to give him credit, though.  He went into "Playoff Mode," activated it early, and boy oh boy has his defensive effort been outstanding!

Nobody said a bad thing about LeBron until he went to LA?
Hmmm.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on March 01, 2019, 01:37:56 AM
I think it's absolutely hysterical that it takes LeBron going from Cleveland to LA for people to finally admit the guy is a phony, conceited, terrible teammate.  It's been evident for well over a decade but nobody could say a bad thing about the guy...until he went to the Lakers.

I have to give him credit, though.  He went into "Playoff Mode," activated it early, and boy oh boy has his defensive effort been outstanding!

There was a clip on Twitter the other night I saw where he neglected to step out on a shooter to halfheartedly cover the lane (which had a defender in it) and then exasperately looked at the bench and his teammates with his arms up when the jumper was made. Then proceeded to complain about effort in the post game.

I’ve never been a Lebron fan, even though he is an otherworldly talent, but this season has been next level. You openly try to trade your entire team and then get pissy and patronizing when they don’t rally around you. You can see the kind of stuff that likely made Kyrie annoyed, but he’s doing it in the open now.

Lakers missing the playoffs would be AMAZING
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on March 01, 2019, 09:23:48 AM
Nobody said a bad thing about LeBron until he went to LA?
Hmmm.

Lol.  Exactly.  Hugh hmmm
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2019, 10:01:11 AM
I have been a big LeBron fan, but I have been disappointed with him this season.

In many respects, this was a wasted year for him and for the Lakers (except in the Money Made and Drama Created categories). It will be interesting to see what happens there during the offseason.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ZaLiN on March 01, 2019, 12:17:52 PM
I think it's absolutely hysterical that it takes LeBron going from Cleveland to LA for people to finally admit the guy is a phony, conceited, terrible teammate.  It's been evident for well over a decade but nobody could say a bad thing about the guy...until he went to the Lakers.

I have to give him credit, though.  He went into "Playoff Mode," activated it early, and boy oh boy has his defensive effort been outstanding!

I'm glad you were finally able to admit it out in the open!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2019, 05:53:13 PM
Bledsoe extension, 4/70 mil. I think it's a great deal both ways. Bledsoe certainly could have got more if he hit free agency.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on March 01, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
I was really down on Horst when he was hired. Thought he was going to be way over his head. He’s making it a race for who is the best GM in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 01, 2019, 06:37:58 PM
  bucks are adding pau gasol-holy veteran 7 footer back-up centers batman!

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26113538/gasol-join-bucks-spurs-buyout
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on March 01, 2019, 08:01:33 PM
Bledsoe extension, 4/70 mil. I think it's a great deal both ways. Bledsoe certainly could have got more if he hit free agency.

Huge. Allows the team to focus on the rest of the roster and figure out which other pieces need to be retained. I have a hard time with the idea of Middleton getting the max though
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on March 01, 2019, 08:28:36 PM
Huge. Allows the team to focus on the rest of the roster and figure out which other pieces need to be retained. I have a hard time with the idea of Middleton getting the max though

6’8”, All star 3 and D wing who is also also close friends to one of the best 4 b-ball players on the planet who is up for an extension in 2 years...ya gotta do it
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 01, 2019, 08:31:38 PM
Middleton is da most dispensible of da Bucks free agents, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on March 02, 2019, 12:02:12 AM
LeBron tried SO hard tonight to show his “leadership” and “effort” after all the attention placed on his lack of those two things in the media and him responding by telling teams they “have the right to single [him] out” defensively...but the Bucks broke his will in the last 2 minutes. LeBron Blames came out in full force. Was SO close to that big win and showing his young teammates what it takes to win. But then it was pouting, slapping his hips, yelling at the refs, etc.

Fun stuff. Bucks are good.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on March 02, 2019, 12:33:00 AM
LeBron tried SO hard tonight to show his “leadership” and “effort” after all the attention placed on his lack of those two things in the media and him responding by telling teams they “have the right to single [him] out” defensively...but the Bucks broke his will in the last 2 minutes. LeBron Blames came out in full force. Was SO close to that big win and showing his young teammates what it takes to win. But then it was pouting, slapping his hips, yelling at the refs, etc.

Fun stuff. Bucks are good.

He practically sprinted off the court at the final buzzer too.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 04, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Interview with Michael Reinsdorf.  It's a comical read starting with the very first question.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-michael-reinsdorf-interview-20190304-story.html

Will John Paxson and Gar Forman be back next season?

Absolutely. We believe they’ve done a great job. I know that in this market, with some of our fans and some in the media, they look at it differently. That perplexes me.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on March 04, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BumZhBUBydA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=c3nme6vyxluf
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on March 09, 2019, 07:36:14 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Interview with Michael Reinsdorf.  It's a comical read starting with the very first question.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-michael-reinsdorf-interview-20190304-story.html

Will John Paxson and Gar Forman be back next season?

Absolutely. We believe they’ve done a great job. I know that in this market, with some of our fans and some in the media, they look at it differently. That perplexes me.

That organization deserves all the bad that happens to it. They actually have an attractive young core but will do nothing with it cause it’s run by a combination of nepotism, cronyism, and sycophants. It’s a shame
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on March 10, 2019, 10:37:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

And now bats at their game. Did they bring it with them to San Antonio from the Bradley Center.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2019/03/10/bat-interrupts-play-during-bucks-spurts-game/3126787002/


Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on March 12, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
Kudos to Russell Westbrook for threatening a Jazz fan and his wife.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on March 12, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
Kudos to Russell Westbrook for threatening a Jazz fan and his wife.

Its too bad - if he had left out the wife, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. Throwing the wife in there was real weird.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2019, 12:41:03 PM
If what he claims the fan said is accurate, I agree, Burrow.   And I agree that throwing the wife in was weird. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on March 12, 2019, 12:58:21 PM
If what he claims the fan said is accurate, I agree, Burrow.

The bio of the fan is quite disturbing. Good for Westbrook.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2019, 01:02:09 PM
Being a professional, in whatever line of work, encompasses many aspects of a particular vocation. Westbrook should have stayed above the fray.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2019, 01:06:02 PM
Being a professional, in whatever line of work, encompasses many aspects of a particular vocation. Westbrook should have stayed above the fray.

In a perfect world, yes.   Apparently, though, he heard the wrong thing at the wrong time and was unable to restrain himself.   He is neither the first nor last person to do so.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on March 12, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
In a perfect world, yes.   Apparently, though, he heard the wrong thing at the wrong time and was unable to restrain himself.   He is neither the first nor last person to do so.

This was just another virulent MAGA racist who repeated the Creep's language about Sh*thole countries and tweeted about sending Westbrook back to Africa. I'm sure none of us would sit quietly at our desks if someone walked up to us and started yelling this crap.

Of course, he also talked about God and country in his tweets in between using the n*** word.

Westbrook is my new hero.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: baumu on March 12, 2019, 01:32:03 PM
Tonight was supposed to be Nikola Mirotic bobblehead night in New Orleans, since they are playing the Bucks they should still give them away, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on March 12, 2019, 01:45:06 PM
This was just another virulent MAGA racist who repeated the Creep's language about Sh*thole countries and tweeted about sending Westbrook back to Africa. I'm sure none of us would sit quietly at our desks if someone walked up to us and started yelling this crap.

Of course, he also talked about God and country in his tweets in between using the n*** word.

Westbrook is my new hero.

It's possible that they're both a-holes.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on March 12, 2019, 04:22:13 PM
Per ESPN, the Jazz and OKC players Raymond Felton and Patrick Patterson all confirmed Westbrook's account. Jazz players Gobert, Thabo, and Donovan Mitchell all issued statements supporting Westbrook's account, though they don't seem as committal toward personally hearing what was said.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on March 12, 2019, 04:24:42 PM
Per ESPN, the Jazz and OKC players Raymond Felton and Patrick Patterson all confirmed Westbrook's account. Jazz players Gobert, Thabo, and Donovan Mitchell all issued statements supporting Westbrook's account, though they don't seem as committal toward personally hearing what was said.

The fan involved has been banned from Jazz (home) games for life.
Westbrook has been fined $25K.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
The fan involved has been banned from Jazz (home) games for life.
Westbrook has been fined $25K.

Seems fair, given what we (as the public) knows.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on March 12, 2019, 04:57:49 PM
I wish Facebook would reveal all of this guys posts AND also his list of friends. I know I would instantly de-friend anyone who posted this garbage and I assume most people here would do the same.

We should be able to expose all of those who willfully continued to be friends with a creep like this as well as the guy himself.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on March 12, 2019, 05:23:07 PM
I wish Facebook would reveal all of this guys posts AND also his list of friends. I know I would instantly de-friend anyone who posted this garbage and I assume most people here would do the same.

We should be able to expose all of those who willfully continued to be friends with a creep like this as well as the guy himself.

Facebook already sold all his posts/data to corporate interests long ago. Think they're going to give it away to the public for free?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: nyg on March 24, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Getaway from the lunacy of other side of board.

You see this, could be the best buzzer beater ever, well at least how high the ball went. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEjWwKkn69I
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on March 24, 2019, 08:53:12 PM
Getaway from the lunacy of other side of board.

You see this, could be the best buzzer beater ever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEjWwKkn69I

In my opinion definitely not the coolest buzzer beater ever, but definitely cool. I don’t think it stands up against a buzzer beater like NC State in a national championship or a number of others. But helps the Bucks!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: nyg on March 24, 2019, 09:07:43 PM
In my opinion definitely not the coolest buzzer beater ever, but definitely cool. I don’t think it stands up against a buzzer beater like NC State in a national championship or a number of others. But helps the Bucks!

That’s why I modified sentence, knowing this place, someone would comment about “greatest”. You were quick.  But watch how freaking high that ball went, talking scoreboard height.  Posted to break up the arguments and make someone smile. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on March 25, 2019, 01:07:03 PM
By this season's results, Brad Stevens has been a bottom-10 NBA coach.

He has a ton of talent at his disposal but his Celtics are battling the Pacers -- who lost their best player to injury two months ago -- for the 4th spot in the East. As I write this, the Celtics would not even host their first-round series against the Pacers.

Some Scoopers say a decent high school coach could have done better with Wojo's talent this season. Well, give most coaches Irving, Tatum, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Morris and Smart, and see how they would do.

Just two days ago, the Celtics lost to a mediocre-at-best Hornets team that is playing its young players because the playoffs are doubtful.

Stevens' team blew an 18-point 4th-quarter lead. "We saw them relaxing," Charlotte's Miles Bridges said. If accurate, an indictment of both the Boston players and their coach.

Now, we all know Stevens can coach. You don't take a school like Butler to 2 consecutive NCAA championship games if you can't coach. But maybe he's one of those guys who can take a less-talented team from Point D to Point B but can't take a talented team to Point A, especially at the pro level.

Many NBA folks contend that the hardest thing to do is get talented, egocentric guys to buy in and play championship-level team basketball. There actually are people who dismiss the accomplishments of Jackson and Auerbach because "they had so much talent to work with."

That's stupid. It was their ability to get those talented players to work together -- to manage the egos and win titles -- that made them the two greatest basketball coaches ever, IMHO.

Does Stevens have what it takes to do that? We'll see. Early signs are no, but he's still young, and Ainge seemingly has a lot of faith in him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Its DJOver on March 25, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
From the NBA '17 thread.

I've never really understood all the love for Stevens.  I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's great either.  I realize that he's missing his two superstar players, but out coaching Joe Prunty and Ty Lue isn't exactly noteworthy, and Philly threw away a couple of games, and couldn't close others which isn't at all surprising given their youth.  If Bud can get the most out of Giannis, and Brett Brown continues to develop Simmons, Embiid, and/or Fultz, I'd be surprised if anyone other than Milwaukee or Philly comes out of the East for the next 2-3 years. Again, not saying that he's bad, but I would give just as much credit, if not more to Danny Ainge.   

I was pretty much the only one who thought this (which is fine, opinions are cool, hey?), and I still think that the majority of the credit that Boston has gotten should go to Danny Ainge.  This was also pre-Kawhi trade so I'll give myself a pass on not being as high on Toronto as Milwaukee or Philly.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on March 25, 2019, 01:40:27 PM
From the NBA '17 thread.

I was pretty much the only one who thought this (which is fine, opinions are cool, hey?), and I still think that the majority of the credit that Boston has gotten should go to Danny Ainge.  This was also pre-Kawhi trade so I'll give myself a pass on not being as high on Toronto as Milwaukee or Philly.

Good work, IDJO.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on March 25, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
Many NBA folks contend that the hardest thing to do is get talented, egocentric guys to buy in and play championship-level team basketball. There actually are people who dismiss the accomplishments of Jackson and Auerbach because "they had so much talent to work with."

That's stupid. It was their ability to get those talented players to work together -- to manage the egos and win titles -- that made them the two greatest basketball coaches ever, IMHO.

Does Stevens have what it takes to do that? We'll see. Early signs are no, but he's still young, and Ainge seemingly has a lot of faith in him.

1000%

Look at the last 11-12 NBA championship winning teams and their coaches.  Kerr, Jackson, Spoelstra, Doc, Pop, Ty Lue, and Carlisle.

Out of those coaches, you could probably argue only Pop and Carlisle are X&O guys.  And Carlisle's championship was getting an undergunned Mavs team past a beast Lakers team and an even bigger Heat team.  Its all about egos, and chemistry, and motivation.  There is a reason college coaches rarely find success.  Its a tough adjustment.  I think Stevens likely splits mutually with the Cs and heads back to a blue blood college program in the next 2-3 years.  And that doesn't make him a bad coach or a failure, its just not a good fit.  He's performed a lot better than most college coaches who don't work out in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on March 25, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
1000%

Look at the last 11-12 NBA championship winning teams and their coaches.  Kerr, Jackson, Spoelstra, Doc, Pop, Ty Lue, and Carlisle.

Out of those coaches, you could probably argue only Pop and Carlisle are X&O guys.  And Carlisle's championship was getting an undergunned Mavs team past a beast Lakers team and an even bigger Heat team.  Its all about egos, and chemistry, and motivation.  There is a reason college coaches rarely find success.  Its a tough adjustment.  I think Stevens likely splits mutually with the Cs and heads back to a blue blood college program in the next 2-3 years.  And that doesn't make him a bad coach or a failure, its just not a good fit.  He's performed a lot better than most college coaches who don't work out in the NBA.

In college, coaches say, "It's my way or the highway." In the NBA, the stars tell the coaches to hit the highway.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 02, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
I know some folks here hate Westbrook, and I know he has his flaws, and I know he'll probably never win a championship.

But 20 pts, 20 rebs, 21 assists. That's crazy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on April 03, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
I know some folks here hate Westbrook, and I know he has his flaws, and I know he'll probably never win a championship.

But 20 pts, 20 rebs, 21 assists. That's crazy.

Best part was he knew exactly what his stats were when he grabbed board 20 to get to 20/20/20.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 03, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Best part was he knew exactly what his stats were when he grabbed board 20 to get to 20/20/20.

He definitely has an, um, "healthy" ego.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was kept informed by his teammates, who were watching the stats on the board in the arena. But yeah, he might have been tracking every one of them himself, too.

An incredible talent who is amazing to watch when he's at the top of his game, but I'm not sure I'd want to be his teammate.

Then again, OKC did an awful lot of winning for an awful lot of years, including a trip to the NBA Finals. It couldn't have all been despite him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 09, 2019, 10:04:45 PM
Magic Johnson goes on TV and announces he's quitting as Lakers president.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/lakers/2019/04/09/magic-johnson-steps-down-lakers-president/3418649002/

Didn't even tell Jeanie Buss first, telling reporters: “Somebody’s going to have to tell my boss because I knew I couldn’t be face-to-face and tell her."

Wow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on April 09, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Magic Johnson goes on TV and announces he's quitting as Lakers president.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/lakers/2019/04/09/magic-johnson-steps-down-lakers-president/3418649002/

Didn't even tell Jeanie Buss first, telling reporters: “Somebody’s going to have to tell my boss because I knew I couldn’t be face-to-face and tell her."

Wow.

Easy to figure out how Magic screwed up the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 10, 2019, 10:36:39 AM
Easy to figure out how Magic screwed up the Lakers.

Realized he was too successful, established, and rich to have the patients (or patient) running the asylum.  I bet Magic and Rich Paul aren't the best of friends
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on April 10, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
Realized he was too successful, established, and rich to have the patients (or patient) running the asylum.  I bet Magic and Rich Paul aren't the best of friends

He was successful running the Lakers?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 10, 2019, 11:25:33 AM
He was successful running the Lakers?

No no, Magic Johnson the individual and the brand is wildly successful.  Magic Johnson the Lakers executive, not so much. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 11, 2019, 07:41:06 AM
Hornets coach James Borrego might have torn his labrum while patting himself on the back for Jeremy Lamb's improvement this season:

“I went into the season open to starting this kid, not really knowing what he could become, and through development, through our system, through coaching him, demanding, he had the best season of his career.”

Wow.

Lamb's significant improvement actually started last season under Steve Clifford, whom Michael Jordan fired. Borrego replaced Clifford and despite having some talent -- nowhere near enough talent to contend for anything but some decent talent, especially on offense -- the Hornets missed the playoffs. Meanwhile, Clifford guided an Orlando team that was expected to suck big-time to a winning record and a playoff berth.

And now the Hornets almost surely will lose Lamb because they won't be able to afford to keep a decent (but not great) player who will get a ton of offers this season. And they also face the prospect of being unable to keep Kemba Walker, who is in line for a $200 million contract after being drastically underpaid the last 3-4 years.

The Hornets are one of several NBA teams in salary-cap hell. They aren't good enough to compete for anything tangible, but they have more than $100 million allocated in future contracts to the likes of Nic Batum, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Marvin Williams and Bismack Biyombo.

If they manage to keep Kemba, they can compete for the 8th playoff spot next year while they wait for most of those contracts to expire. If they can't keep Kemba, they will have to go "the process" route -- blow it up and start from scratch.

But hey, at least they'll have the great James Barrego to "demand" that everybody get great.

Tough to win in the NBA. I admire what teams like the Bucks, Raptors and of course Warriors have done.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 13, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
so luke walton is fired on friday after going 98-148 with lakers and sacramento grabs him before what...?  ucla signs him?  sacramento is actually supposed to have a decent team next year.  who annointed him as even being head coach material?  magic?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 13, 2019, 05:18:33 PM
so luke walton is fired on friday after going 98-148 with lakers and sacramento grabs him before what...?  ucla signs him?  sacramento is actually supposed to have a decent team next year.  who annointed him as even being head coach material?  magic?

He was the hottest assistant in the NBA given his work with the Warriors, especially when Kerr was out.  The Lakers hiring him wasn't a flier.  And much like David Blatt in Cleveland, he was brought in to mold and coach a young team, not be another in Lebron's game.  So naturally he was the scapegoat when the Lakers weren't a wrecking ball after adding Lebron  ::)

Also, the Kings are an absolute disaster management wise, so thats not entirely shocking they acted rashly
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on April 13, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
I think Walton is great for the Kings. He actually gets to coach a young team with less expectation and no distractions. Was doomed to fail with LeBron and Lavar
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on April 13, 2019, 06:02:56 PM
Amir Johnson sharing a laugh with Embiid over his text messages on the bench during a timeout while trailing in game 1 of the Playoffs was so perfectly “Process” it’s incredible. Then Johnson goes to the locker room with 5 minutes left in a game he was not dressed to play in. I would love to see the Nets bounce them. But Embiid will get 30 free throws a game so it’ll be an uphill climb.

And Kyle Lowry is still Kyle Lowry even though he’s next to Kawhi and not DeMarr, it appears. More whining than contributing from the dough boy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 13, 2019, 06:19:01 PM
He was the hottest assistant in the NBA given his work with the Warriors, especially when Kerr was out.  The Lakers hiring him wasn't a flier.  And much like David Blatt in Cleveland, he was brought in to mold and coach a young team, not be another in Lebron's game.  So naturally he was the scapegoat when the Lakers weren't a wrecking ball after adding Lebron  ::)

Also, the Kings are an absolute disaster management wise, so thats not entirely shocking they acted rashly

 3 years ago, the warriors coulda coached themselves.  agree he was the scapegoat though.  i think the hollywood lakers spell it T-I-E-M
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 13, 2019, 06:37:02 PM
I'm not the greatest coach in the world, but I woulda liked my chances coaching the Warriors the half-season that Luke did.

That being said, he might be a very good coach (or might not be), and he'll get a chance to prove it now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on April 13, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
I'm not the greatest coach in the world, but I woulda liked my chances coaching the Warriors the half-season that Luke did.

That being said, he might be a very good coach (or might not be), and he'll get a chance to prove it now.

Yep. His first situation was set up so he couldn't fail. His 2nd situation was set so he couldn't succeed. We'll finally learn more next year.

Still can't believe LA signed Javale, Rondo, and Lance in 2018
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 13, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
I'm not the greatest coach in the world, but I woulda liked my chances coaching the Warriors the half-season that Luke did.

Sure, but he took a team coming off a title, who were clearly the best team in the league, who lost their coach unexpectedly for an extended period of time who has shown himself to be a master of personality/ego coaching. Walton got them locked in and focused and off to a record start. He showed himself capable in that regard. They could have easily coasted.  His hiring with the Lakers made sense and I actually think he did good work with a lot of those young guys.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on April 13, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
3 years ago, the warriors coulda coached themselves.  agree he was the scapegoat though.  i think the hollywood lakers spell it T-I-E-M LeBron Blames

FIFY.

I freaking love what the Pelicans did.  "Okay LeBron, you want to tamper with our superstar and he ends up asking for a trade (to LAL)?  Sure, we'll entertain trades!  Who would you like to get rid of, LeBron?  Let us know so we can work on a deal!"  They get LeBron's list, knowing full well there is absolutely no reason to make a move before the summer when the Celtics can get into a bidding, and just have the press tapped into LeBron's line of communication with them.  Hilarious.

Has there ever been a professional athlete who created so much turnover before?  Everywhere he goes you might as well just start with a blank slate and ask LeBron to select the yes men he would like to be in place at each position.  I mean, the guy was still a player for the Heat and he was playing GM for the Cavaliers.  Incredible.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 14, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
Sure, but he took a team coming off a title, who were clearly the best team in the league, who lost their coach unexpectedly for an extended period of time who has shown himself to be a master of personality/ego coaching. Walton got them locked in and focused and off to a record start. He showed himself capable in that regard. They could have easily coasted.  His hiring with the Lakers made sense and I actually think he did good work with a lot of those young guys.

Oh, I'm on board with this. I have said many times how difficult it is to keep a great team playing to its level of greatness.

But I really like this:

Yep. His first situation was set up so he couldn't fail. His 2nd situation was set so he couldn't succeed. We'll finally learn more next year.

Dead-on, MUe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on April 14, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
I like Walton (I was on the record saying that he was the best candidate for UCLA if they could get him away from the NBA).  Everywhere he goes, players rave about him - but they still seem to play hard for him, too. Predicting coaching success in the NBA is the last thing I'm qualified to do though. Its one of the few positions that seems to be more about fit than record of success.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 17, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
Warriors blew a 31-point lead in Game 2 vs Clippers.

31!

Steve Kerr musta turned dumm overnight.

Seriously, some are criticizing him for taking out Curry after he picked up his 4th foul in the 3rd quarter ... when the Warriors only had a 28-point lead.

Durant, meanwhile, had 9 TOs (compared to only 8 shots attempted) and picked up 4 offensive fouls in the second half.

And Cousins suffered an injury that might sideline him for the rest of the playoffs.

It's not easy keeping a dynasty going.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 17, 2019, 03:18:14 PM
Warriors blew a 31-point lead in Game 2 vs Clippers.

31!

Steve Kerr musta turned dumm overnight.

Seriously, some are criticizing him for taking out Curry after he picked up his 4th foul in the 3rd quarter ... when the Warriors only had a 28-point lead.

Durant, meanwhile, had 9 TOs (compared to only 8 shots attempted) and picked up 4 offensive fouls in the second half.

And Cousins suffered an injury that might sideline him for the rest of the playoffs.

It's not easy keeping a dynasty going.

The Warriors biggest flaw, and one that could still kill them at some point, is they get complacent.  From Kerr to Curry to KD.  You lose focus, you get cold, and suddenly a lesser team (still full of NBA caliber talent and shooters) gets hot and that happens.  Kerr got cute, team relaxed, and there ya have it. 

Honestly, could be the best thing to happen to them for the push.  Though the Cousins injury is brutal, feel bad for him as I do like him as a player.  Thank god they got Bogut back
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 17, 2019, 03:52:56 PM
The Warriors biggest flaw, and one that could still kill them at some point, is they get complacent.  From Kerr to Curry to KD.  You lose focus, you get cold, and suddenly a lesser team (still full of NBA caliber talent and shooters) gets hot and that happens.  Kerr got cute, team relaxed, and there ya have it. 

Honestly, could be the best thing to happen to them for the push.  Though the Cousins injury is brutal, feel bad for him as I do like him as a player.  Thank god they got Bogut back

Yeah ... they're not gonna lose this series, that's for sure. And if they get in a similar situation they can refer back to the game they let get away. I wouldn't bet against Kerr's team.

Rivers' teams almost always play hard to the end. Heck of a coach.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on April 18, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
Speaking of great coaches, this read on Pop and his dinners is well worth your time.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26524600/secret-team-dinners-built-spurs-dynasty
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2019, 05:38:05 AM
MUfan

That was a great read. Big fan of Pop.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Matt Heldt The Milk Man on April 22, 2019, 10:02:01 AM
MUfan

That was a great read. Big fan of Pop.

I agree with this. Im a big Pop guy
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 23, 2019, 09:37:17 PM
Mobile Jimmy G Buckets wallpaper

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Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 06:29:58 AM
Amazing finish to Blazers-Thunder last night.

Thunder leads by 15 with under 8 to go, and still leads by 8 with a couple minutes left but blows it.

Lillard caps a 50-point game that included some amazingly difficult shots by hitting a step-back 35-footer at the buzzer.

Westbrook played well but, as usual, made some poor decisions down the stretch. George -- who has dubbed himself "Playoff P" even though he hasn't won squat in the playoffs in his entire career -- bricked 2 huge FTs, had a careless turnover and was too far off Lillard on the winning shot.

Thunder is in salary-cap hell, with 2 outstanding players making mega-money, and another good player in Adams (who usually doesn't play down the stretch as they go small) but might never have enough talent around them to really compete in the West.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on April 24, 2019, 08:00:10 AM
Amazing finish to Blazers-Thunder last night.

Thunder leads by 15 with under 8 to go, and still leads by 8 with a couple minutes left but blows it.

Lillard caps a 50-point game that included some amazingly difficult shots by hitting a step-back 35-footer at the buzzer.

Westbrook played well but, as usual, made some poor decisions down the stretch. George -- who has dubbed himself "Playoff P" even though he hasn't won squat in the playoffs in his entire career -- bricked 2 huge FTs, had a careless turnover and was too far off Lillard on the winning shot.

Thunder is in salary-cap hell, with 2 outstanding players making mega-money, and another good player in Adams (who usually doesn't play down the stretch as they go small) but might never have enough talent around them to really compete in the West.

And therein lies the problem.  Westbrook "playing well" is having a point guard go 11-31 in an elimination game.  He knows how to number chase.  He doesn't know how to ring chase.

What's going to happen if Sam gets picked up by OKC after his 5th year senior year?  Think he bails and tries to work his way to the Spurs?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2019, 08:44:36 AM
And therein lies the problem.  Westbrook "playing well" is having a point guard go 11-31 in an elimination game.  He knows how to number chase.  He doesn't know how to ring chase.

What's going to happen if Sam gets picked up by OKC after his 5th year senior year?  Think he bails and tries to work his way to the Spurs?

After he writes a letter asking Donovan to force Westbrook to share
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 24, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
And therein lies the problem.  Westbrook "playing well" is having a point guard go 11-31 in an elimination game.  He knows how to number chase.  He doesn't know how to ring chase.

Westbook was AWFUL down the stretch.  He hit that answer 3, to respond to a big Lillard 3 with 4:30 left.  In the last 4:30, Westbrook was 0-2, had a drive and dish to a dude buried under the basket late in the clock that lead to a missed layup, had an offensive foul, and then a wasteful loose ball foul that gave the Blazers 2 FTs with no time going off the clock as they tried to claw back into it.  And he couldn't have wanted the ball less the last 2 possessions.

George finished rough, but he was the only one with any offensive punch down the stretch.  He hit 2 really tough shots to stem the tide. 

The Thunder are in trouble because beyond the salary issues, I'm not sure who is clamoring to go play with a selfish stat-chasing weirdo in a bottom 2 NBA city.

I saw a number of people rushing in with the "it was only a good shot cause he made it" take last night.  You have your superstar, who has 47 and has been insane, at home and being guarded by a long and very good defender so going at him into the lane isnt great.  I'm fine with the long 3, he is one of 3-4 players in the league with that consistent range (Curry, Trae Young, maybe Booker).  Its not the highest percentage shot, but if he misses, you go to OT, at home, still up 3-1, and Westbrook and PG both had 5 fouls
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 10:29:44 AM
Westbook was AWFUL down the stretch.  He hit that answer 3, to respond to a big Lillard 3 with 4:30 left.  In the last 4:30, Westbrook was 0-2, had a drive and dish to a dude buried under the basket late in the clock that lead to a missed layup, had an offensive foul, and then a wasteful loose ball foul that gave the Blazers 2 FTs with no time going off the clock as they tried to claw back into it.  And he couldn't have wanted the ball less the last 2 possessions.

George finished rough, but he was the only one with any offensive punch down the stretch.  He hit 2 really tough shots to stem the tide. 

The Thunder are in trouble because beyond the salary issues, I'm not sure who is clamoring to go play with a selfish stat-chasing weirdo in a bottom 2 NBA city.

I saw a number of people rushing in with the "it was only a good shot cause he made it" take last night.  You have your superstar, who has 47 and has been insane, at home and being guarded by a long and very good defender so going at him into the lane isnt great.  I'm fine with the long 3, he is one of 3-4 players in the league with that consistent range (Curry, Trae Young, maybe Booker).  Its not the highest percentage shot, but if he misses, you go to OT, at home, still up 3-1, and Westbrook and PG both had 5 fouls

Yep, Westbrook was brutal. As an NBA fan, he's often a lot of fun to watch, and he is an absolutely athletic freak, but I'm pretty sure he would drive me nuts if I were a Thunder fan. I also think George is overrated.

Agree with you about Lillard. I thought he might drive because he is an amazing finisher and quicker than George, and maybe would draw a foul if not score, but as you said he was hitting everything ... so why not? I like that he made sure he didn't leave any time on the clock in what was a tie game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on April 24, 2019, 10:36:21 AM
Saw a lot of people roasting PG for calling it a bad shot in his postgame presser.

I know Dame has that range, but a contested, stepback, 37 foot shot is a great shot in that situation... for the defense. Sure, he hit it and it was an incredible shot, but if I'm the opposition I can live with that shot every single time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
The look on Stotts' face when that went in was precious. I knew it very well.

When I was a middle-school coach, I was lucky enough to have by far our conference's best 3-point shooter. I'm guessing she made more treys in her career than  all the other players in our league combined during that span.

Anyhoo, one game she hits a couple of 3s and then, just before the third-quarter buzzer, throws one in from beyond half court.

Much celebration before the team gathered at the bench for the little between-quarters huddle. I waited until the hootin' and hollerin' ended and it was quiet, and I said, "You know what you call that, ladies?" (2-second pause for effect, and then totally deadpan ... ) "Coaching."

One of my favorite moments as a coach, and it became kind of a running bit.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 24, 2019, 11:53:27 AM
Saw a lot of people roasting PG for calling it a bad shot in his postgame presser.

I know Dame has that range, but a contested, stepback, 37 foot shot is a great shot in that situation... for the defense. Sure, he hit it and it was an incredible shot, but if I'm the opposition I can live with that shot every single time.

Its cause he came off as salty and a sore loser.

"I had him covered and thats a really tough shot.  He made it, credit to him, but thats a tough shot I can live with every time"

That gives props for the shot and conveys your frustration.  And thats what he did earlier in the presser.  Another reporter asked a question about 36-37 footers, and thats when he called it a bad shot.

It just made him look whiny.   And I like PG.  But thats like like a QB threading the needle on a super high degree of difficulty, ill advised pass that snuck in there for a big TD or completion, and the DB that got beat calling it a bad throw or a stupid pass.  Doesn't matter, you got beat, live with it, say you wouldn't have played D any differently, which is totally right and fair, and move on.  PG has hit plenty of "bad shots", same with Steph, same with Lebron, same with the dude sitting next to him.  Great players hit "bad" shots, its part of why they are great players
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 27, 2019, 11:48:03 PM
No matter how great a coach you are, you still need great players, and lots of them.

I don't think anybody would dispute that Popovich is a great coach. But this is 2 straight years his team hasn't made it out of the first round of the playoffs (first in his career for that back-to-back failure). Last year, the Leonard thing hung over the Spurs, but this year, even with Aldridge and DeRozan, just couldn't do it.

Interestingly (for me, anyway), after a DeRozan miss, Denver rebounds up 4 with 27 seconds left. Denver dribbles into the frontcourt and Pop is imploring his players to foul ... because that's the only chance they have to win the game. But they ignore him, totally ignore one of the great coaches in modern basketball history, and they lose without a whimper at the end.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on April 28, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
The Bucks might certainly come back to win this series, but with 5 minutes to go in game 1, arguments from earlier this season that Brad Stevens might be only an average NBA coach look invalid.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 28, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
Celtics' size is a problem for the Bucks.  Makes it hard to spread the floor offensively.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
Head basketball coaches at FF are mediocre
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 29, 2019, 09:34:23 PM
JFB with a huge game on the road to even it up 1-1 with Toronto.  Double-Double.  30 and 11.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 29, 2019, 09:46:35 PM
Head basketball coaches at FF are mediocre

Some are (Porter Moser, TC, some others). Brad Stevens isn't.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 30, 2019, 06:38:51 AM
Some are (Porter Moser, TC, some others). Brad Stevens isn't.


Keep your pissing match out of the NBA topic please.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on April 30, 2019, 07:43:53 AM
Surprisingly litter chatter on one of MU's finest putting up 30/11/5 on the road

I would love to see Jimmy get a title, this Sixers team is loaded and no one seems to be unbeatable this year. Hope he can turn it on down the stretch and bring another championship to the family
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on April 30, 2019, 07:46:02 AM
Some are (Porter Moser, TC, some others). Brad Stevens isn't.

FF=Fiserv Forum. I also disagree with the assertion in relation to Bud.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on April 30, 2019, 09:22:28 AM
Some are (Porter Moser, TC, some others). Brad Stevens isn't.

Fiserv Forum
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
Surprisingly litter chatter on one of MU's finest putting up 30/11/5 on the road

I would love to see Jimmy get a title, this Sixers team is loaded and no one seems to be unbeatable this year. Hope he can turn it on down the stretch and bring another championship to the family

Loved Jimmy responding big-time after playing poorly in Game 1. Two sweet assists down the stretch in addition to his other work.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on April 30, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Surprisingly litter chatter on one of MU's finest putting up 30/11/5 on the road

I would love to see Jimmy get a title, this Sixers team is loaded and no one seems to be unbeatable this year. Hope he can turn it on down the stretch and bring another championship to the family

He'd been inconsistent since Game 1 of the Nets series, but he put them on his back last night.  All the murmurs of dysfunction and such have largely been forgotten.  He's a leader on that team.  They might not win, but they sure as hell need an in-form JFB to have any chance against Toronto
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on April 30, 2019, 09:44:32 PM
Well, that was better.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 30, 2019, 11:02:40 PM

Keep your pissing match out of the NBA topic please.

Tough guy. Who died and made you the boss? LOL "Fluffy".
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2019, 11:15:50 PM
Harden just penetrated and dished to wide-open shooters on 2 straight possessions, and both Rivers and Gordon threw bricks. No wonder he usually just shoots!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2019, 03:59:44 AM
Harden just penetrated and dished to wide-open shooters on 2 straight possessions, and both Rivers and Gordon threw bricks. No wonder he usually just shoots!


Penetrated? Ewe go dude, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 01, 2019, 06:30:26 AM
Harden just penetrated and dished to wide-open shooters on 2 straight possessions, and both Rivers and Gordon threw bricks. No wonder he usually just shoots grabs a defenders arm, flops around like a fish out of water driving to the hoop, and then falls to the ground like there’s a sniper in the nosebleeds before heading to the line!

FIFY.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 01, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
I think Harden is an incredible talent and an incredible player.  The numbers he puts up this year across the board are absurd.  That being said, he really kills that offense.  You have one of the best pure PGs of all time, and a coach who is famous for having a free flowing, fast smooth offense and they allow Harden to clog it up.

Basketball Twitter this past week has been interesting breaking down how the Warriors are choosing to defend Harden.  From getting into his grill and forcing the refs to call fouls instead of playing off and getting touch fouls anyways (like Klay in Game 1) to more nuanced methods like contesting from the side so his attempts to kick his legs out or jump forward don't result in contact.

As for the Bucks, FANTASTIC response.  but then again, SHOCKED they won a game because NOTED BASKETBALL SCHOLAR Paul Pierce told us all on Sunday afternoon that the series was over cause the Celtics just had more talent and the Bucks were hopeless unless Giannis was amazing.  He's so laughably bad in studio.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on May 01, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
I think Harden is an incredible talent and an incredible player.  The numbers he puts up this year across the board are absurd.  That being said, he really kills that offense.  You have one of the best pure PGs of all time, and a coach who is famous for having a free flowing, fast smooth offense and they allow Harden to clog it up.

Basketball Twitter this past week has been interesting breaking down how the Warriors are choosing to defend Harden.  From getting into his grill and forcing the refs to call fouls instead of playing off and getting touch fouls anyways (like Klay in Game 1) to more nuanced methods like contesting from the side so his attempts to kick his legs out or jump forward don't result in contact.

As for the Bucks, FANTASTIC response.  but then again, SHOCKED they won a game because NOTED BASKETBALL SCHOLAR Paul Pierce told us all on Sunday afternoon that the series was over cause the Celtics just had more talent and the Bucks were hopeless unless Giannis was amazing.  He's so laughably bad in studio.

Watching Bledsoe defend Harden is fun. Doesn’t try to stay in front of him. Plays on his left side or even behind to guard against the step back. Forces him to the right and into the lane for either a midrange or a layup amongst the shot blockers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 02, 2019, 09:29:10 PM
JFB!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 06, 2019, 08:28:51 AM
Interesting observation on Zach Lowe's podcast today.  George Hill was basically a nobody in Cleveland with LBJ and is now a very important player for the Bucks, and on Friday night was their second best player in a huge win at Boston.  Also on Friday night, Rodney Hood, who was even less than a nobody in Cleveland with LBJ, was the key player down the stretch for the Blazers in their 4 overtime win over the Nuggets.  This was an observation that he says "did not go unnoticed throughout the league.  It's not easy being Bron's teammate...there were a lot of eyes opened Friday night."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 06, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
Interesting observation on Zach Lowe's podcast today.  George Hill was basically a nobody in Cleveland with LBJ and is now a very important player for the Bucks, and on Friday night was their second best player in a huge win at Boston.  Also on Friday night, Rodney Hood, who was even less than a nobody in Cleveland with LBJ, was the key player down the stretch for the Blazers in their 4 overtime win over the Nuggets.  This was an observation that he says "did not go unnoticed throughout the league.  It's not easy being Bron's teammate...there were a lot of eyes opened Friday night."

If you need the ball in your hands to initiate offense, to work off the dribble, or you need to get into a rhythm, playing with Lebron just wont work.  The guys that Lebron "makes better" are the ones sitting in the corner waiting for a kick out, a dump off in the lane, or an outlet pass.  Also, if you're not one of his guys that he "trusts" you'll get frozen out, aka Rodney Hood.

He's an insane passer and has otherworldly vision, but the idea that Lebron uniformly makes everyone around him better is an overwrought myth.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 06, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
I can see why there were some negative comments about Brad Stevens this season. Really poor execution on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUEng92 on May 06, 2019, 08:28:05 PM
Paul Pierce...ha, ha, ha ,ha
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 06, 2019, 08:53:40 PM
One to get. Closing it out on Wednesday would be fun.

Giannis is unbelievable. And the George Hill trade went from a nice move to dump salary for a big offseason to an incredible move to add a really good veteran for a Playoff run.

Let’s see if Brogdon can add something to this team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 07, 2019, 06:16:05 AM
Paul Pierce...ha, ha, ha ,ha

maybe he needs to go thru concussion protocol...with a rubber glove ;D
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 07, 2019, 07:05:28 AM
One to get. Closing it out on Wednesday would be fun.

Giannis is unbelievable. And the George Hill trade went from a nice move to dump salary for a big offseason to an incredible move to add a really good veteran for a Playoff run.

Let’s see if Brogdon can add something to this team.

The chemistry is so good right now that the can ease Brogdon back some.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 08:13:39 AM
If I were the Celtics, I would wave goodbye to Kyrie. He's Monta Ellis part 2. Has the talent to make you think he's pretty good, but has no concept of how to fit into a team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 07, 2019, 08:16:16 AM
If I were the Celtics, I would wave goodbye to Kyrie. He's Monta Ellis part 2. Has the talent to make you think he's pretty good, but has no concept of how to fit into a team.

I wouldn't want to play with Kyrie. Reminds me of Westbrook, but not as talented all-around. And Russ, as selfishly as he often plays, doesn't routinely throw his teammates under the bus like this guy does. Let him and K.D. go to NY ... and learn to hate each other within a few months.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on May 07, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
What has Kyrie done when he isn't playing alongside LeBron?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 10:10:22 AM
What has Kyrie done when he isn't playing alongside LeBron?

To be fair.  He was ROY, then a back to back All Star before Lebron arrived.

Monta Ellis isn't fair.  Kyrie is one of the best ball handling/scoring talents the league has seen in a decade plus, not just a gunner.

However, he's not a fit for Stevens system.  I don't think he can't play in a team setting, but he needs something more free flowing.  I think his attitude got messed up by the Lebron situation and he hasn't recovered, which is a maturity issue.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
To be fair.  He was ROY, then a back to back All Star before Lebron arrived.

Monta Ellis isn't fair.  Kyrie is one of the best ball handling/scoring talents the league has seen in a decade plus, not just a gunner.

However, he's not a fit for Stevens system.  I don't think he can't play in a team setting, but he needs something more free flowing.  I think his attitude got messed up by the Lebron situation and he hasn't recovered, which is a maturity issue.


Kyrie is a slightly better version of Stephon Marbury. Still a very good player and an all-star, but not a Superstar who can be the big dog on an NBA Champion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2019, 10:31:42 AM
I wouldn't want to play with Kyrie. Reminds me of Westbrook, but not as talented all-around. And Russ, as selfishly as he often plays, doesn't routinely throw his teammates under the bus like this guy does. Let him and K.D. go to NY ... and learn to hate each other within a few months.

Curious why you think it would take that long. 8-)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on May 07, 2019, 10:47:47 AM
If I were the Celtics, I would wave goodbye to Kyrie. He's Monta Ellis part 2. Has the talent to make you think he's pretty good, but has no concept of how to fit into a team.

But don't forget that Monta Ellis's teammates actually really liked playing with him! That was a big part of Steph wearing his jersey to the last regular season game at the Oracle.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 10:48:20 AM

Kyrie is a slightly better version of Stephon Marbury. Still a very good player and an all-star, but not a Superstar who can be the big dog on an NBA Champion.

I don't disagree with this.  I don't think he's a leader.

Honestly, personalities aside, play style I think he could work with KD.  The Warriors have been using KD as a point forward for awhile.  Curry is obviously still a PG, but is playing off the ball more.  I could see this working with Kyrie and KD.  They can switch off being on the ball, play much more fluid and break down defenders if needed.  Add a reliable 3 and D guy and you could have a nice veteran core there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 07, 2019, 10:49:21 AM
I don't disagree with this.  I don't think he's a leader.

Honestly, personalities aside, play style I think he could work with KD.  The Warriors have been using KD as a point forward for awhile.  Curry is obviously still a PG, but is playing off the ball more.  I could see this working with Kyrie and KD.  They can switch off being on the ball, play much more fluid and break down defenders if needed.  Add a reliable 3 and D guy and you could have a nice veteran core there.

Unless they end up hating/resenting each other.

Maybe that never happens and the Knicks win NBA titles. We'll see.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 10:51:22 AM
Kyrie is one of the best ball handling/scoring talents the league has seen in a decade plus, not just a gunner.

Sorry but I just don't believe this statement.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
Sorry but I just don't believe this statement.

Of course you don't.  You just compared him to a player who can't hold a candle to him and was never even top 5 at his position.  Kyrie just averaged 24-5-7 with a 48/40/88 slash, coming off a major injury.  His attitude is problematic and crapty and he's had a bad series, but to diminish him as a player and talent as a result of that is dumb.

The Cavs don't win that championship without him, period.  I already said I don't think he'll ever be "the man" on a championship team, but I also think that about James Harden.

Watch Kyrie's highlights.  He does things that pretty much nobody else in the league can do from a scoring perspective at his size.  And its pretty established among the opinions of his peers that he has the best handle in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 04:47:16 PM
Of course you don't.  You just compared him to a player who can't hold a candle to him and was never even top 5 at his position.  Kyrie just averaged 24-5-7 with a 48/40/88 slash, coming off a major injury.  His attitude is problematic and crapty and he's had a bad series, but to diminish him as a player and talent as a result of that is dumb.

The Cavs don't win that championship without him, period.  I already said I don't think he'll ever be "the man" on a championship team, but I also think that about James Harden.

Watch Kyrie's highlights.  He does things that pretty much nobody else in the league can do from a scoring perspective at his size.  And its pretty established among the opinions of his peers that he has the best handle in the NBA.

Yeah none that f this really supports your initial statement.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Yeah none that f this really supports your initial statement.

I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on May 07, 2019, 06:18:46 PM
I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.

No doubt HOFer. Kyrie is incredible. He's having a poor series and he might be kind of a weird guy. But agree with everything you've said.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.

You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 07, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.

This feels like a weird argument. Unless voters are going to contextualize this entire era because of scoring proliferation, he's undoubtedly on a HOF pace.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.

Neither does your failure to provide any evidence to the contrary other to say “I don’t believe you” and stick to an already proven false comparison
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Neither does your failure to provide any evidence to the contrary other to say “I don’t believe you” and stick to an already proven false comparison


Cool. 

But in the end, your weak arguments didn't change my mind. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 07, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
This feels like a weird argument. Unless voters are going to contextualize this entire era because of scoring proliferation, he's undoubtedly on a HOF pace.


Like I care.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2019, 10:22:33 PM

Cool. 

But in the end, your weak arguments didn't change my mind.

Ok, cool. Hook ‘Em
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 08, 2019, 11:16:15 AM
Brogdon not starting and on a minutes restriction, but he's back.  Really hoping to close this one out tonight.  You do not want to go back to Boston for game 6, and then have all the pressure of having been up 3-1 and facing a game 7.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 08, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
Will be good to get Brogdon back in the flow, but now is not the time to play with our food. If he looks like he's off or out of sorts, yank him and let him get his sea legs in Game 1.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 08, 2019, 04:44:17 PM
Also, OT, but saw this on ESPN today. I'm unclear what impressive stats they're referring to, but ok.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on May 08, 2019, 05:53:45 PM
Also, OT, but saw this on ESPN today. I'm unclear what impressive stats they're referring to, but ok.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities)

lol, am i to understand this isn't just some sort of very cruel, long practical joke that this Nick Metallinos fellow is playing on Harry Froling?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 08, 2019, 07:42:19 PM
lol, am i to understand this isn't just some sort of very cruel, long practical joke that this Nick Metallinos fellow is playing on Harry Froling?

The NBL is aggressively trying to position itself as a competitor to the G League both as a place for American talent to go if not college, as well as a feeder of homegrown talent to the league. They’ve made some salary, roster, and promotion changes to reflect that. Given Froling was ROY this past season, they have a vested interest in him making the NBA and kind of proving out their intentions. So the PR attention and push makes sense
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 08, 2019, 09:31:05 PM
Pierce is calling it - Boston in 9.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 08, 2019, 09:34:35 PM
So much for Brad Stevens being a genius, I guess.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TAMU Eagle on May 08, 2019, 09:40:41 PM
If this was the NCAA tournament,  the celtics would have won already  ;D
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 08, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
If this was the NCAA tournament,  the celtics would have won already  ;D

That is funny.

To 82's comment, that was one piss poorly coached team. Was it Stevens fault? Irving? Tatum?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 08, 2019, 10:20:25 PM
Bucks' Twitter account is savage tonight. Some well earned trolling happening tonight
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 08, 2019, 10:21:00 PM
That is funny.

To 82's comment, that was one piss poorly coached team. Was it Stevens fault? Irving? Tatum?

I'm thinking there will be some addition by subtraction after Irving goes. They did better last year without him.

Based on both his college and NBA accomplishments, it appears Stevens does a better job in an underdog situation.

I was mostly kidding about the "genius" line. Obviously, he hasn't forgotten how to coach. Probably just a bad mix now in Boston, starting with Irving.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 08, 2019, 11:24:30 PM
Did KD just tear his achilles?

Edit to update: they’re saying calf strain.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 06:56:11 AM
That is funny.

To 82's comment, that was one piss poorly coached team. Was it Stevens fault? Irving? Tatum?



I think there are too many A players on that team and not enough complementary ones. That team didn’t need Kyrie.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 07:51:16 AM
Bucks' Twitter account is savage tonight. Some well earned trolling happening tonight

https://twitter.com/SophiaMinnaert/status/1126313229876113408
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 09, 2019, 08:01:07 AM
Congrats to Bucks. Rooting for them to win the title, and I think they can. They have an unselfish superstar, and have done a nice job surrounding him with good players who know their roles. I'm not a Bucks fan, but they are very easy to root for.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 09, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
Did KD just tear his achilles?

Edit to update: they’re saying calf strain.

That was an incredible 5 min on social media.  For all the KD memes and hating, for all the Warriors vitriol, there was a collective "oh no, not like this".  Achilles tears past 30 are very hard to come back from.  He wouldn't have been done, but we could potentially have seen the end of KD's peak.  Thank god it wasnt.

Reggie Miller should be slapped for his fear mongering.  Instead of the prudent "wait and see" approach, dude basically diagnosed the Achilles injury and reiterated it 10 times.

Incredible response from the Warriors.  They aren't a better team without KD, but they were playing an un-Warriorslike iso offense through him in this series.  Freed up Steph to get going.  Draymond to be Draymond and ignite the offense.

Also, shout out Looney.  What a game from him.  Amazing what happens when you can learn and grow in an NBA system without being expected to be a star from day 1.  Still only 23 and on a one year deal.  He keeps this up and the Warriors move on, he's playing himself into a nice summer payday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 09, 2019, 10:29:27 AM

I think there are too many A players on that team and not enough complementary ones. That team didn’t need Kyrie.

I totally agree. Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum all want to be the big dog.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 09, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
That was an incredible 5 min on social media.  For all the KD memes and hating, for all the Warriors vitriol, there was a collective "oh no, not like this".  Achilles tears past 30 are very hard to come back from.  He wouldn't have been done, but we could potentially have seen the end of KD's peak.  Thank god it wasnt.

Reggie Miller should be slapped for his fear mongering.  Instead of the prudent "wait and see" approach, dude basically diagnosed the Achilles injury and reiterated it 10 times.

Incredible response from the Warriors.  They aren't a better team without KD, but they were playing an un-Warriorslike iso offense through him in this series.  Freed up Steph to get going.  Draymond to be Draymond and ignite the offense.

Also, shout out Looney.  What a game from him.  Amazing what happens when you can learn and grow in an NBA system without being expected to be a star from day 1.  Still only 23 and on a one year deal.  He keeps this up and the Warriors move on, he's playing himself into a nice summer payday.

I think Reggie's reaction was fine.  That's looked exactly like how someone responds from an achilles tear.  Not a lot there in terms of a weird movement or bending, nobody touches him, but just a sudden shot of pain, the guy looks back to see what hit him and there was nothing there, and then that limp was very much how someone would limp with an achilles tear.  I definitely admit I immediately thought for sure he just tore his achilles, regardless of what Reggie was saying.

Also agreed on Looney.  It's great that he has developed but I also was texting a friend last night saying he's in such a great situation to get paid and I'm not really sure he's very good.  Not athletic, not quick, average sized for a big guy, no outside shot.  He just has the ability to be efficient because he gets completely left alone by the defense when one of their 4 All Stars (plus Iggy) breaks down the defense.  Look at what playing with the Warriors did for JaVale McGee.  The guy has always been a laughing stock, he plays with the Warriors and some eyes open to think maybe there's something more than a giant who can jump but is just useless in terms of basketball talent, and then he leaves the Warriors and it turns out he is what he's always been, he just got wide open dunks playing next to 4 All Stars.  Looney is more skilled than McGee, but also much less athletic and big.

I totally agree. Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum all want to be the big dog.

I think Brown wants to be the big dog more than Hayward does.  I actually feel bad for Hayward.  I loved watching him play in Utah.  Very smooth, very unselfish, but aggressive.  He was nowhere near that this year.  It took Paul George 1 year to get back on the court physically, but then a second year to get back to where he was before his horrific leg injury.  Maybe Hayward will be back to his normal self next year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 09, 2019, 11:24:07 AM
Also agreed on Looney.  It's great that he has developed but I also was texting a friend last night saying he's in such a great situation to get paid and I'm not really sure he's very good.  Not athletic, not quick, average sized for a big guy, no outside shot.  He just has the ability to be efficient because he gets completely left alone by the defense when one of their 4 All Stars (plus Iggy) breaks down the defense.  Look at what playing with the Warriors did for JaVale McGee.  The guy has always been a laughing stock, he plays with the Warriors and some eyes open to think maybe there's something more than a giant who can jump but is just useless in terms of basketball talent, and then he leaves the Warriors and it turns out he is what he's always been, he just got wide open dunks playing next to 4 All Stars.  Looney is more skilled than McGee, but also much less athletic and big.

I don't disagree.  Honestly, the most impressive stuff wasn't his offense.  He rebounded extremely well, especially on the offensive end.  He played good defense.  He seems to always be in the right spots and make smart plays.  The loose ball grab and pass to Klay for the capping off layup was a prime example. 

He won't be an All-Star, but if he can rebound like that, he'll be an effective undersized 5 and can work on the right team. If Ian Mahinmi can get 4 years $64MM, no reason Looney shouldn't get 3 or 4 at 5-7 per.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
Of course you don't.  You just compared him to a player who can't hold a candle to him and was never even top 5 at his position.  Kyrie just averaged 24-5-7 with a 48/40/88 slash, coming off a major injury.  His attitude is problematic and crapty and he's had a bad series, but to diminish him as a player and talent as a result of that is dumb.

The Cavs don't win that championship without him, period.  I already said I don't think he'll ever be "the man" on a championship team, but I also think that about James Harden.

Watch Kyrie's highlights.  He does things that pretty much nobody else in the league can do from a scoring perspective at his size.  And its pretty established among the opinions of his peers that he has the best handle in the NBA.


So I watched Kyrie's highlights from yesterday.  He was terrible.  Completely overrated player.

Has won exactly one playoff series that he participated in without Lebron. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 09, 2019, 11:32:48 AM
Kerr loves #5. Says, on the court, he's the smartest player on their roster. Golden State holds his Bird rights also. Kevon will get paid.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 09, 2019, 11:59:19 AM

So I watched Kyrie's highlights from yesterday.  He was terrible.  Completely overrated player.

Has won exactly one playoff series that he participated in without Lebron.

LOL.  He's only played in 2.

Yes, he had a terrible series.  On a team that was broken after game 1 and gave up yesterday.  If 1 bad playoff series, in which his entire team played fairly poorly, is what makes a player overrated.  Then most of the league is overrated.

"Watch his career highlights"..."Nah, I watched his highlights from one game and made my complete assessment"   You're hilarious.  I presented you with myriad facts, you called it a weak argument.  And you come back with that subjective crap after watching the highlights of a game.  8-)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
LOL.  He's only played in 2.

Yes, he had a terrible series.  On a team that was broken after game 1 and gave up yesterday.  If 1 bad playoff series, in which his entire team played fairly poorly, is what makes a player overrated.  Then most of the league is overrated.

"Watch his career highlights"..."Nah, I watched his highlights from one game and made my complete assessment"   You're hilarious.  I presented you with myriad facts, you called it a weak argument.  And you come back with that subjective crap after watching the highlights of a game.  8-)


Your boy got shut down.  Cold.  But that's not new for him come playoff time.  But go on about his slash line.  It's amusing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 09, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
LOL.  He's only played in 2.

Yes, he had a terrible series.  On a team that was broken after game 1 and gave up yesterday.  If 1 bad playoff series, in which his entire team played fairly poorly, is what makes a player overrated.  Then most of the league is overrated.

"Watch his career highlights"..."Nah, I watched his highlights from one game and made my complete assessment"   You're hilarious.  I presented you with myriad facts, you called it a weak argument.  And you come back with that subjective crap after watching the highlights of a game.  8-)

You way over rate Kyrie. Just a high volume scorer and a black hole on offense. He shuts down any attempt at team play. And offers very little at the other end of the floor.

He is a great talent, but is nowhere near a great talent on the floor. I wouldn’t trade Brogdon straight up. Kyrie would destroy the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
You way over rate Kyrie. Just a high volume scorer and a black hole on offense. He shuts down any attempt at team play. And offers very little at the other end of the floor.

He is a great talent, but is nowhere near a great talent on the floor. I wouldn’t trade Brogdon straight up. Kyrie would destroy the Bucks.


Yep.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26702069/kyrie-irving-failed-leadership-tells-story-celtics-failed-season

Lebron can do what Lebron does because he's so damn good.  Kyrie can't.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on May 09, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
Looney has actually shown the midrange jumper in this series. He's hit 5-6 baseline 15-20 footers. Didn't know he had it in him but he clearly has confidence in that shot but isn't asked to shoot very often.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 01:54:02 PM
Kerr loves #5. Says, on the court, he's the smartest player on their roster. Golden State holds his Bird rights also. Kevon will get paid.


Yeah he may not get paid at GSW though.  They are hitting the tax cap and have Klay and Durant as UFAs as well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 09, 2019, 02:30:50 PM

Your boy got shut down.  Cold.  But that's not new for him come playoff time.  But go on about his slash line.  It's amusing.

My boy?  Dont make it personal.  You're the one giving opinions and making fun of statistics I present.  I have no feelings on Kyrie either way.  I merely defended a 6x All Star's ability against a comparison as a lesser player.

And vanished come playoff time?  His playoff numbers were great in Cleveland.  He's played 2 whole series without Lebron.  He was fine in one with a monster game, complete crap in another.  You talk like he's had years of failure without Lebron.

You way over rate Kyrie. Just a high volume scorer and a black hole on offense. He shuts down any attempt at team play. And offers very little at the other end of the floor.

He is a great talent, but is nowhere near a great talent on the floor. I wouldn’t trade Brogdon straight up. Kyrie would destroy the Bucks.

Ive never said he was a great team player.  Hell, Ive said multiple times he's not a great leader and a poor defender.  Kyrie would be a terrible fit for the Bucks, agree 100%.  He wasn't a good fit in Boston either, im surprised they went after him.  All Ive said is he is a premier scorer and ballhandler.  Never even said he was a top 5 guard.  Just said he's elite at his 2 best skills.  And Fluffy has felt the need to counter that with Kyrie being trash and overrated, an opinion he'll continue to hold as Kyrie likely picks up another 5-6 All Star nods and finishes in the top 25 in all time NBA scorers on his way to the HOF. Shrug

I don't think Melo is a good team player and a team with him as a pure focal point was never going to win a title, but to diminish his scoring abilities and skills at his peak was just dumb.  Thats how I feel about Kyrie.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 09, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
My boy?  Dont make it personal.  You're the one giving opinions and making fun of statistics I present.  I have no feelings on Kyrie either way.  I merely defended a 6x All Star's ability against a comparison as a lesser player.

And vanished come playoff time?  His playoff numbers were great in Cleveland.  He's played 2 whole series without Lebron.  He was fine in one with a monster game, complete crap in another.  You talk like he's had years of failure without Lebron.

Ive never said he was a great team player.  Hell, Ive said multiple times he's not a great leader and a poor defender.  Kyrie would be a terrible fit for the Bucks, agree 100%.  He wasn't a good fit in Boston either, im surprised they went after him.  All Ive said is he is a premier scorer and ballhandler.  Never even said he was a top 5 guard.  Just said he's elite at his 2 best skills.  And Fluffy has felt the need to counter that with Kyrie being trash and overrated, an opinion he'll continue to hold as Kyrie likely picks up another 5-6 All Star nods and finishes in the top 25 in all time NBA scorers on his way to the HOF. Shrug

I don't think Melo is a good team player and a team with him as a pure focal point was never going to win a title, but to diminish his scoring abilities and skills at his peak was just dumb.  Thats how I feel about Kyrie.

Good post, Wags. I think we just have some basic disagreements. The main one being over the importance of the ability to score.

This "argument" going on is very reminiscent of the discussion when the Cavs acquired Kevin Love. I may have been the only one then who said Love was way over rated. Almost everyone else said he was a top 10-15 player in the league. I said he was simply a high volume scorer and rebounder from a team that had no one else who could do those things. I feel the same about Kyrie. Talented, but no team will ever win a title if he is "the guy".
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: drewm88 on May 10, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
Also, OT, but saw this on ESPN today. I'm unclear what impressive stats they're referring to, but ok.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities)

Congrats on your big game against Josh freaking Boone, Harry!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 10, 2019, 10:50:38 PM
The only noise the Rockets ever make is their constant complaining/excuses. Last year the CP3 injury was why they lost. Last year the refs are why they lost.

Fast forward a year and the Warriors lose a far superior player to injury in the role reversal. But champions step up instead of make excuses.

Can’t wait for the 2019 version of the Rockets’ internal audit on the reffing this series!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 11, 2019, 05:18:30 AM
The only noise the Rockets ever make is their constant complaining/excuses. Last year the CP3 injury was why they lost. Last year the refs are why they lost.

Fast forward a year and the Warriors lose a far superior player to injury in the role reversal. But champions step up instead of make excuses.

Can’t wait for the 2019 version of the Rockets’ internal audit on the reffing this series!

Yep. The Rockets are a big disappointment. Again.

While the KD injury should have given the Rockets a huge advantage, there were some people acting as if the Warriors were a talent-poor team just hoping to survive. Without KD, they went to 2 finals and won one.

Very impressed by the contributions of some of the GS guys who usually don't get much playing time. Looney has become a nice role player. And hell, I didn't know until last week that Shumpert was still in the league!

I also couldn't help but smile when they showed one of Kerr's huddles. He said nothing. "Keep playing hard." "You're doing great." As is the case with Wojo and pretty much every coach, these televised huddles reveal nothing.

I'd love to see Denver or Portland knock off the Warriors, but I don't see it happening. It'll be up to the Bucks!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 11, 2019, 10:41:21 AM
Fast forward a year and the Warriors lose a far superior player to injury in the role reversal. But champions step up instead of make excuses.

Don’t worry, Tilman Fertitta reminded everyone that Hakeem didn’t win his first til 31. Harden just needs to age like a nice Cabernet. No need to worry Rockets fans.

Yep. The Rockets are a big disappointment. Again.

While the KD injury should have given the Rockets a huge advantage, there were some people acting as if the Warriors were a talent-poor team just hoping to survive. Without KD, they went to 2 finals and won one.

The mental gymnastics that people went through to convince themselves the Warriors were only good cause of KD and Curry was no longer good/always was overrated is astounding. Someone in a group of people I talk NBA with was hellbent on the opinion that the Warriors would be a 5/6 seed in the West without KD. People were making fun of Curry for being scoreless in the first even after the game. “Klay made more big shots down the stretch than Curry”. I get the Warriors hate, but the delusion is insane. “The Warriors still win that first title with Klay and Draymond if Livingston was starting and they didn’t have Curry. We saw how he cost them in 2016”... :o

Warriors played a TON of iso with KD against the Rockets, just cause the Rockets style of play and matchups. Taking KD out made them play much more open and gave more touches to their rhythm shooters. So it was actually an upgrade in the series alone.

Hoping for the Blazers. I think warriors in 5 against either team, but seeing Dame/CJ try to keep up with Steph/Klay/KD in a firefight could be fun
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 11, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
Hoping for a Denver/Milwaukee final but the NBA will never let that happen.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 11, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Hoping for a Denver/Milwaukee final but the NBA will never let that happen.


Oh please. The NBA is rigged crowd is so tiresome.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 11, 2019, 06:29:17 PM

Oh please. The NBA is rigged crowd is so tiresome.

+1000
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 11, 2019, 10:34:58 PM

Oh please. The NBA is rigged crowd is so tiresome.

One of the 2 big lies about the NBA - the other is "They don't play any defense".

If you like basketball, NBA playoff basketball is light years superior to any other version of the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 12, 2019, 01:06:02 AM
One of the 2 big lies about the NBA - the other is "They don't play any defense".

If you like basketball, NBA playoff basketball is light years superior to any other version of the game.

Clearly you've never watched the Irish basketball league known as the Super League. Makes the nba look like child's play
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on May 12, 2019, 04:32:00 AM

Oh please. The NBA is rigged crowd is so tiresome.

I’m the last to believe in a conspiracy, especially one that goes to the upper echelons of the league office.

But.....what I do believe is the NBA is a star driven league, and stars more often get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to officiating...and the NBA has the highest advantage of any sport when it comes to home court advantage, so while its not a NBA/Adam Silver conspiracy to not allow smaller market teams advance in the playoffs, I think that officiating is provenly biased to star-laden teams, and star-laden teams generally have home court advantage which also aids thems.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WarriorFan on May 12, 2019, 05:38:04 AM
I've always suspected the NBA had some bias... definitely superstar bias, definitely big market bias, and historically a Philly/Boston/Lakers bias and recently a huge effort to get another good big market western team to step up:  Houston.

Through the regular season the league let Harden take as many steps as he wants, push people off, do his "double" step back, etc. so Houston can win enough games to get a top 4 seed.  CP3 copies harden but takes it a bit further with the pushing off and multiple steps, but because he's allowed to do this, he can still dominate despite his advancing age.  Credit to him also for being skilled enough to learn these new moves.  It's tough when you've been driving to the basket for 25 years using 3 steps after the last dribble to learn how to take 5!

On come the playoffs... the league desperately want the Rockets to win, but they realize that in order to do so, they'll have to let everyone take 5 steps whenever they want to, and they quickly realize the advantage Durant has when he gets to push off like Harden does... so the refs tighten up on these things... and Harden / CP3 simply cannot score as easily without the extra space they create for themselves by taking 5 steps and by pushing off.  Tucker was amazing.  Gordon is a great shooter.  Green is streaky but was pretty good.  Capela is a great rebounder.  The whole group played tough defense.  Probably good enough defense to beat almost anyone.... but you take away the extra 10-15 ppg that Harden/Paul get by cheating pushing off and taking 5 steps, then a team as good as GSW can win. 

The last game of the series was perfect.  Harden had to play clean, without the extra steps, and without the pushing off.  Both he and CP3 got called for push-offs early and then played pretty much without it for the rest of the game.  When they play clean, they are still elite players... but not good enough.

The moral of the story:  The league is smart enough to realize that its' bias could actually destroy the game if left unchecked in an important setting.  So during this series the bias ended, and the best team actually won.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WarriorFan on May 12, 2019, 05:41:07 AM
I totally agree. Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum all want to be the big dog.
As for Kyrie, I think he'd rather be a Russel Westbrook than a Steph Curry.

I don't see him being a team player or sacrificing his stats to win championships.

Absolutely elite talent, bound for HOF, etc... but won't win another championship.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 12, 2019, 06:31:50 AM
As for Kyrie, I think he'd rather be a Russel Westbrook than a Steph Curry.

I don't see him being a team player or sacrificing his stats to win championships.

Absolutely elite talent, bound for HOF, etc... but won't win another championship.

Well he did sacrifice to win. I agree with you though, he'll never be the go to option on a championship team
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 12, 2019, 07:41:05 AM
I’m the last to believe in a conspiracy, especially one that goes to the upper echelons of the league office.

But.....



Stopped reading
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 12, 2019, 08:56:25 AM

Stopped reading

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/waiting_for_the_but.png)

 https://xkcd.com/2146/   (https://xkcd.com/2146/)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2019, 08:58:07 AM

So I watched Kyrie's highlights from yesterday.  He was terrible.  Completely overrated player.

Has won exactly one playoff series that he participated in without Lebron.

kinda a modern day version of melo-did the guy win anywhere but for himself?  i don't recall him making any team better
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 12, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
Melo, in his prime, definitely made the Nuggets better.  But I get your point.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on May 12, 2019, 03:22:54 PM

Stopped reading

So you disagree that the NBA is a star driven league where stars have more lee way when it comes to officiating and disagree with the very clear data that home NBA teams have more favorable officiating? 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
If the NBA is motivated by having its biggest stars in the Finals, wouldn't they make a Bucks (Greek Freak) vs. Rockets (Beard) matchup happen? Likely to finish 1-2 in the MVP balloting, and therefore the league's 2 biggest stars?

Or, if we're saying that just because they will finish 1-2 in MVP balloting, it doesn't mean they are the biggest "stars," wouldn't the NBA have forced everybody to let the Lakers win enough games to get LeBron in the Finals again?

And how can the league not assure a Celtics-Lakers championship series every year?

Sorry ... I have always had a hard time with these "theories" -- especially ever since the NFL apparently maneuvered to have Buffalo make 4 straight Super Bowls and the NBA had San Antonio get to a bunch of Finals. Not to mention the Royals going from wild-card playoff game all the way to the World Series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 12, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
So you disagree that the NBA is a star driven league where stars have more lee way when it comes to officiating and disagree with the very clear data that home NBA teams have more favorable officiating? 

Stars get calls cause they are better.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WithoutBias on May 12, 2019, 08:57:26 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/espn/status/1127750905716043776?s=19

poor guy. i dont wish this upon him but the guy is going to tear his acl or break his wrist flopping around when some 6’1”, 175 lb guard is boxing him out someday. guys a clown.

kawhi vs. bucks will be a fun series. if the raptors dont get more out of lowry, serge, siakam i dont think they can beat the bucks 4 times in 7 games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Herman Cain on May 12, 2019, 09:25:38 PM
Looking forward to a good series. Hopefully the Bucks win. Will be good for MU if the Bucks win it all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 09:58:25 PM
Kawhi traveled on the last play. Took 3 or 4 steps before even starting to dribble.

Actually traveled twice on the play. Traveled again leading into the shot where he took another 3-4 steps after picking up his dribble.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2019, 10:51:41 PM
Kawhi traveled on the last play. Took 3 or 4 steps before even starting to dribble.

Actually traveled twice on the play. Traveled again leading into the shot where he took another 3-4 steps after picking up his dribble.

And the Virginia player famously (or infamously) double-dribbled in the NCAA title game. What's your point?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 11:01:09 PM
And the Virginia player famously (or infamously) double-dribbled in the NCAA title game. What's your point?

My point. Simple. Kawhi traveled twice in a 4 second possession, prior to making the last second shot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 12, 2019, 11:07:36 PM
Kawhi traveled on the last play. Took 3 or 4 steps before even starting to dribble.

Actually traveled twice on the play. Traveled again leading into the shot where he took another 3-4 steps after picking up his dribble.

When you gotta make stuff up (6-8 steps), it kinda defeats your argument/
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 11:25:42 PM
When you gotta make stuff up (6-8 steps), it kinda defeats your argument/

Watch the video. Plainly obvious. Not making anything up. The travel on the catch, before dribbling was easy for anyone to see. The travel before the shot, more difficult, because of camera angles, but a clear travel. Took 1.5 steps before taking a jump stop.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
My point. Simple. Kawhi traveled twice in a 4 second possession, prior to making the last second shot.

I actually just rewatched the ending. From the angle I saw, I couldn't tell if he traveled early in the play, and maybe (maybe) he took a hop right before planting for the shot. It was less egregious than the "travels" that occur on pretty much every step-back jumper that every big-time shooter in pro and college basketball takes. There is not a ref at any level who would have called that a travel against any player.

And you saying 4 steps ... how silly. As brand said, kinda kills your credibility. Why not say 10 steps or 50 steps or a million steps if you're gonna fib?
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Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 11:38:23 PM
I actually just rewatched the ending. From the angle I saw, I couldn't tell if he traveled early in the play, and maybe (maybe) he took a hop right before planting for the shot. It was less egregious than the "travels" that occur on pretty much every step-back jumper that every big-time shooter in pro and college basketball takes. There is not a ref at any level who would have called that a travel against any player.

And you saying 4 steps ... how silly. As brand said, kinda kills your credibility. Why not say 10 steps or 50 steps or a million steps if you're gonna fib?

Pretty sure I said 3-4 steps each time. That is exactly what happened. There are already replays on the internet showing it quite clearly. No idea, why you and Brand are so defensive about it.

Facts still matter.

Video of the one up top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu5xy_54iRE

They count it as 4 steps, I'd count it at 3, as I think he initiated his dribble after the 3rd step.
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Post by: Jockey on May 12, 2019, 11:38:30 PM
I actually just rewatched the ending. From the angle I saw, I couldn't tell if he traveled early in the play, and maybe (maybe) he took a hop right before planting for the shot. It was less egregious than the "travels" that occur on pretty much every step-back jumper that every big-time shooter in pro and college basketball takes. There is not a ref at any level who would have called that a travel against any player.

And you saying 4 steps ... how silly. As brand said, kinda kills your credibility. Why not say 10 steps or 50 steps or a million steps if you're gonna fib?

Mike, I kinda agree with Forgetful that he took steps (2) before dribbling, but I thought the step before the shot was OK. You can see the same thing in every game where a guy takes a step gathering for the shot.

I was giving Forgetful a hard time for exaggerating that he took 6-8 steps total. I don't know why they don't call it when the guy is 30 feet from the basket - yet if he did the same thing in the lane it would be called almost every time.
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Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Mike, I kinda agree with Forgetful that he took steps (2) before dribbling, but I thought the step before the shot was OK. You can see the same thing in every game where a guy takes a step gathering for the shot.

I was giving Forgetful a hard time for exaggerating that he took 6-8 steps total. I don't know why they don't call it when the guy is 30 feet from the basket - yet if he did the same thing in the lane it would be called almost every time.

Agreed on the shot, that it isn't called anymore. Live I didn't see that one, but saw videos of it afterward.
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Post by: Jockey on May 12, 2019, 11:44:09 PM
Agreed on the shot, that it isn't called anymore. Live I didn't see that one, but saw videos of it afterward.

If they called things the same as when I played, there would be 200 turnovers a game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 12, 2019, 11:50:31 PM
If they called things the same as when I played, there would be 200 turnovers a game.

Same. I really just find it funny. The game is quite different. Greatly enjoyable. Amazing athletes and abilities.

Watching the shot over again, it seems like he picks up his dribble planning to shoot, but has his feet wrong, so does a little shuffle, before the jump stop. It just looks awkward. He actually does it pretty clever wise. Similar to a lot of Harden's 4-step step-backs, but more of a side-step then step back.

Also, had no preference in this game. Just watch because game 7's are awesome.
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Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2019, 11:56:48 PM
Watching the shot over again, it seems like he picks up his dribble planning to shoot, but has his feet wrong, so does a little shuffle, before the jump stop. It just looks awkward. He actually does it pretty clever wise. Similar to a lot of Harden's 4-step step-backs, but more of a side-step then step back.

"A little shuffle" is quite different from "3-4 steps," which is what you said multiple times.

Again, not a single ref on any level would call it. Ipso fatso, it's a non-story.

The shot was amazing. The drama was incredible. I'd call it a silly debate, but it's not even worth debating, and I'm already mad at myself for wasting this much time trying.

Just enjoy the sports theater. Or if you can't because of phantom travels, don't watch!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 13, 2019, 07:32:33 AM
Kawhi traveled on the last play. Took 3 or 4 steps before even starting to dribble


🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 13, 2019, 07:54:07 AM
Nobody said anything at the time.  No one said anything afterward.  Not everything is called in most sports.

Don't be a wet blanket.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Macallan 18 on May 14, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
https://nypost.com/video/a-priest-a-rabbi-and-a-shaman-pray-for-the-knicks-to-get-zion-williamson/ (https://nypost.com/video/a-priest-a-rabbi-and-a-shaman-pray-for-the-knicks-to-get-zion-williamson/)

Are KD and Irving next?
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Post by: Jockey on May 14, 2019, 10:37:22 AM
https://nypost.com/video/a-priest-a-rabbi-and-a-shaman-pray-for-the-knicks-to-get-zion-williamson/ (https://nypost.com/video/a-priest-a-rabbi-and-a-shaman-pray-for-the-knicks-to-get-zion-williamson/)

Are KD and Irving next?


Did they walk into a bar to do this?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on May 14, 2019, 06:04:57 PM
So who do ya'll want to see win the lottery? As a Bucks fan, I suppose I should be rooting for a Western conference team to win it, but I feel like Hawks fans deserve something nice.  Ditto 82 and his Hornets folks. I also like the drama of New Orleans winning it then forcing AD to try to coexist with Zion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 14, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
I almost hope the Bulls get absolutely screwed and get bumped down to like the seventh spot so they have another awful season.

Anything to get rid of GarPax, ya know?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 14, 2019, 06:51:48 PM
I almost hope the Bulls get absolutely screwed and get bumped down to like the seventh spot so they have another awful season.

Anything to get rid of GarPax, ya know?

They just extended Boylen. Zero chance any of that crew gets run out of town anytime soon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 14, 2019, 07:26:42 PM
I almost hope the Bulls get absolutely screwed and get bumped down to like the seventh spot so they have another awful season.

Anything to get rid of GarPax, ya know?

They won’t get rid of the front office, but I’d prefer them not get a top pick to ruin anyone who could be a potential All Star talent

I honestly am kind of sneaky rooting for the Knicks. They’ve been bad for so damn long, it would be fun for them to matter again, and I have some close friends who are long suffering Knicks fans
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 14, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
I almost hope the Bulls get absolutely screwed and get bumped down to like the seventh spot so they have another awful season.

Anything to get rid of GarPax, ya know?

Got your wish.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 14, 2019, 08:01:52 PM
Obviously, the fix was in.

Because, as everybody knows, the NBA wants New Orleans and Memphis to rule, and wants the Knicks, Lakers and Bulls to suck.

Just like it wanted Cleveland to get all those No. 1 picks.

If the Knicks or Lakers had won the lottery, the conspiracy theorists would have been out of their minds. Pelicans and Grizz? Crickets!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 14, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
Got your wish.

Yup, the one problem is all the super diehard Bulls fans will still sell out the UC and find a way to spin it into a positive.

Very overconfident fanbase.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 14, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
Go Pack Go for #5 today get Doc?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 15, 2019, 11:04:11 AM
The Warriors are just so dang good.  With a fully healthy roster they can play any style of offense and beat you at it.  Want to play iso ball?  Warriors win.  Want to play pick and roll ball?  Warriors win.  Want to play Spurs style, ball is popping around the court finding open shooters everywhere?  Warriors win.

My favorite thing to watch in all of sports is when Steph gets his defender in the air on a pump fake after picking up his dribble, finds Draymond (or Bell has been good at it too) on a quick pass to the elbow/mid post, doesn't stop moving and kind of rubs off of Draymond/Bell, starts running to the corner, the off ball wing in that corner realizes it and runs just a quick rub screen on Curry's defender who's already chasing from jumping to contest Curry's pump fake, and Draymond/Bell hits Curry in the corner for a 3 (even when the defender somehow closes for what is normally "in time" but for Curry is late).  And every once in a while the rub screener's defender recognizes it in time and is able to get out on Curry, who then finds the rub screener slipping wide open to the basket for a dunk.

I could watch that motion all day, every day.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on May 15, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
They're a ton more fun without KD. Ball doesn't stick as much.

The 73-9 team was a total joy, even though they lost in the finals. I watched them every time I could.
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Post by: JWags85 on May 15, 2019, 01:12:00 PM
The Warriors are just so dang good.  With a fully healthy roster they can play any style of offense and beat you at it.  Want to play iso ball?  Warriors win.  Want to play pick and roll ball?  Warriors win.  Want to play Spurs style, ball is popping around the court finding open shooters everywhere?  Warriors win.

My favorite thing to watch in all of sports is when Steph gets his defender in the air on a pump fake after picking up his dribble, finds Draymond (or Bell has been good at it too) on a quick pass to the elbow/mid post, doesn't stop moving and kind of rubs off of Draymond/Bell, starts running to the corner, the off ball wing in that corner realizes it and runs just a quick rub screen on Curry's defender who's already chasing from jumping to contest Curry's pump fake, and Draymond/Bell hits Curry in the corner for a 3 (even when the defender somehow closes for what is normally "in time" but for Curry is late).  And every once in a while the rub screener's defender recognizes it in time and is able to get out on Curry, who then finds the rub screener slipping wide open to the basket for a dunk.

I could watch that motion all day, every day.

Curry's off the ball movement is sublime.  He will dart into the lane and then reappear free on the wing or the corner and he needs .5 seconds to get that shot off.  That offense freestyles so well too.  Its unreal.  I get the hate for the Warriors, I get the exhaustion that comes from their continued excellence, but from a pure basketball standpoint, they are poetry in motion when playing well.

They're a ton more fun without KD. Ball doesn't stick as much.

This depends on the matchup.  The Rockets series was bad cause they played so much ISO.  They are an even more lethal form of themselves when KD is playing in the flow.  They've ran more offense through KD as a point forward this year, trying to give touches to the best player in basketball, and thats when it snags up a bit.  Will be interesting to see how they play when he comes back.

I frankly think they are still insanely fun with KD.  That iso isn't a constant thing with him, just matchup based.  Playing Draymond/Looney at the 5 and KD/Iggy as 3/4 hybrids.  You have that free flowing offense mentioned before, but instead of selling out on Curry and Klay and having Draymond or Iggy open for a bomb, KD is lurking.  Its unfair. 
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Post by: forgetful on May 15, 2019, 01:15:02 PM
They're a ton more fun without KD. Ball doesn't stick as much.

The 73-9 team was a total joy, even though they lost in the finals. I watched them every time I could.

If only Curry hadn't injured his knee and wasn't 100%.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 15, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
First timer to FiServ tonight - any suggestions for food to try or avoid?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on May 15, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
If only Curry hadn't injured his knee and wasn't 100%.

Seriously, quite the shame and oddly overlooked
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 15, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
First timer to FiServ tonight - any suggestions for food to try or avoid?


FiFo virgin, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ManeCity83 on May 15, 2019, 04:48:26 PM
First timer to FiServ tonight - any suggestions for food to try or avoid?

Get there early and soak in the atmosphere around the plaza....it's been buzzing all day
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 15, 2019, 05:00:56 PM

FiFo virgin, hey?

More of a lifo guy eh?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 15, 2019, 08:13:02 PM
I know nobody here said the Warriors were actually better without Durant, but others have.

Yeah, because winning 2 NBA titles in 2 attempts, with him being the Finals MVP both times certainly proves they are better without him.

Peeples is stoopid sumtimez.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 15, 2019, 09:54:51 PM
Bucks played about as bad as they could the majority of this game. Toronto got as much as you could hope for from their stars.

Bucks still won.
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Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 15, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Gutsy win. Every run the bucks made, the raptors answered back. But they kept fighting and got over the hump.

Lopez was a monster tonight.

Fear the deer!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 15, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
Lopez went all Stanford vs Marquette on the Raptors tonight.

I agree with the broadcasters that Leonard looked tired in the fourth quarter. Gotta give him a little rest, the way the Bucks did for Freak at the end of the 3Q.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 15, 2019, 10:02:00 PM
I thought the Raptors played like a team coached by a rookie head coach. Rode Kawhi into the ground through 3, didn't get him touches at the end.

That said, for most of the game, the Bucks got their absolute best and weathered the storm. Shots will start falling.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 15, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
The "Greedy" New Yorkers look like geniuses with this coverage. 

#visionmattas
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 15, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Does Nick Nurse realize he’s not coaching college? Not sure I’ve ever seen a more animated coach on the sidelines in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 15, 2019, 10:41:51 PM
Does Nick Nurse realize he’s not coaching college? Not sure I’ve ever seen a more animated coach on the sidelines in the NBA.

To be fair that's only because Bud can't get in and out of squats
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 15, 2019, 10:53:47 PM
To be fair that's only because Bud can't get in and out of squats

I don’t know even just calling offensive plays he’s running up and down the sidelines waving his arms around like crazy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2019, 12:18:23 AM
I know nobody here said the Warriors were actually better without Durant, but others have.

Yeah, because winning 2 NBA titles in 2 attempts, with him being the Finals MVP both times certainly proves they are better without him.

Peeples is stoopid sumtimez.

People are incredibly short sighted when it comes to sports.  First, people have been looking for narratives to take the Warriors down a peg for the last 3 years.  "Unmotivated", everyone hates Draymond, Kerr can't motivate the team.  Then it was Steph Curry is overrated/not as good as he used to be.  Truly. The Steph slander was at a fever pitch when he was shooting poorly and then missed the dunk.

Then KD got hurt and the Warriors offense got much more free.  And suddenly they are better by subtraction.  Fairly smart or knowledgeable basketball people couldnt look and say "The Warriors matchup better with the Rockets without KD, but you can't sit KD cause he's the best player in the world, so you take the Warriors at 75-80% of "team play" potential and assume KD will make up the rest, as opposed to 90-100% of potential without him."  No no, they just have to look at the simple results and assume that KD makes the Warriors worse, or something equally dumb.

Also equally dumb, made the mistake of flipping past 97.3 in the car today.  They were saying not only were the Bucks the "most complete" team left in the playoffs because of their bench, as a result of that bench they were also the "most talented".  I turned it off cause I couldn't handle the stupidity.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 16, 2019, 05:29:59 AM
having brogdon back will be the killer.  connaughton is sneaky good.  don't lose anything with them out on the floor.  mirotic, ilyasova, greek freak and lopez running the floor is hard to match up.  bledsoe needs to rein in the 3 pt shot and leave that for the experts.  he's better mid-range and defense.  george hill is a veteran with some gas left in the tank.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 16, 2019, 06:02:51 AM
Kawhi looked like he's slowing down. Cannot believe how poorly the bucks shot for most that game. at one point in the 3rd I looked and they were 6-34. If they start going back to their mean then this should be a quick series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 16, 2019, 06:55:53 AM
During the Sixers series Toronto frequently played only 7.  Last night they got only 40 bench minutes and 4 out of 5 starters played 40 minutes or more (technically Gasol was 5 seconds short).  In contrast, only Giannis (37 minutes) played 35 for the Bucks and they got 79 minutes from arguably the best bench in the NBA.  That will almost always make a difference down the stretch.  When the Bucks could elevate their game in the 4th to 'maximum effort', Toronto simply couldn't answer.

The Raptors played as well as they are capable.  Lowry had a monster game.  For the most part, the Bucks played poorly although the energy was consistent throughout.  But the Bucks still won.  They won because they're simply a better and deeper team. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 16, 2019, 07:59:24 AM
I love Bud's in the huddle segment when he said "if you're open, shoot it.  If you're not, pass it to a guy who is."  Smart NBA players who move the ball gotta love to play in that kind of system.

And I love Charles Barkley on TNT, but when he said that the Bucks halfcourt offense is "awful," I take it he didn't watch many Bucks games this year.  When they aren't hitting shots, it looks awful.  (Like every other offense.)  But when they are moving the ball and hitting shots, it looks like what a modern, NBA offense looks like.

I also think "old school" NBA guys who played in the 80s and 90s don't always appreciate the pace of today's game, which might be the reason for Chuck's comments. It isn't a slow down, isolation game any longer.  It's about moving the defense and getting the best shot you can under 24 seconds.
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Post by: BLM on May 16, 2019, 08:20:12 AM
I don't know what the minutes are, but I heard a stat on the radio about how Giannis and Middleton have played 200-some minutes in the Playoffs so far this year (or maybe going into game 1) while Kawhi was well into the 400 minutes.

The Bucks are a better team.  It felt like they stole this win.  When you're the worse team, you can't have someone steal a game you controlled.  I hope the Bucks come out and roll from start to finish tomorrow night, and Kawhi starts dreaming of being in LA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 16, 2019, 09:22:32 AM
I don't know what the minutes are, but I heard a stat on the radio about how Giannis and Middleton have played 200-some minutes in the Playoffs so far this year (or maybe going into game 1) while Kawhi was well into the 400 minutes.

The Bucks are a better team.  It felt like they stole this win.  When you're the worse team, you can't have someone steal a game you controlled.  I hope the Bucks come out and roll from start to finish tomorrow night, and Kawhi starts dreaming of being in LA.

That does make sense because Kawhi has now played in 13 playoff games this year while Giannis has played 10, and certainly fewer than the 40ish minutes Kawhi plays frequently.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2019, 09:54:57 AM
During the Sixers series Toronto frequently played only 7.  Last night they got only 40 bench minutes and 4 out of 5 starters played 40 minutes or more (technically Gasol was 5 seconds short).  In contrast, only Giannis (37 minutes) played 35 for the Bucks and they got 79 minutes from arguably the best bench in the NBA.  That will almost always make a difference down the stretch.  When the Bucks could elevate their game in the 4th to 'maximum effort', Toronto simply couldn't answer.

The Raptors played as well as they are capable.  Lowry had a monster game.  For the most part, the Bucks played poorly although the energy was consistent throughout.  But the Bucks still won.  They won because they're simply a better and deeper team.

Yep, yep. Nailed it, glow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 16, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
During the Sixers series Toronto frequently played only 7.  Last night they got only 40 bench minutes and 4 out of 5 starters played 40 minutes or more (technically Gasol was 5 seconds short).  In contrast, only Giannis (37 minutes) played 35 for the Bucks and they got 79 minutes from arguably the best bench in the NBA.  That will almost always make a difference down the stretch.  When the Bucks could elevate their game in the 4th to 'maximum effort', Toronto simply couldn't answer.

 

Don't know how it played on TV, but at the game it was very obvious the Raptors were gassed in the 4th. Their biggest problem is that Kawhi has to play 40+ minutes every game for them to have a chance. He was a completely different player in the 4th after being far and away the best player on the floor for the first 2 1/2 quarters.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 16, 2019, 10:35:15 AM
My hope is Middleton understands that his role this series is to make Kawhi work as hard as he can and that offensively his job is to keep Kawhi honest and be more of a spot up shooter vs. trying to be a playmaker/go iso ball.  Kawhi is an outstanding defender who can single handedly make very solid players disappear.  I hope Bud plays Middleton more off the ball and has at least one of Hill/Bledsoe in the game to initiate the offense when Middleton is in.  Middleton really struggled when he was the one initiating the offense last night, and when Middleton got the ball without Kawhi on him they came with a double.

It's clear they're going to collapse everyone but Middleton's man onto Giannis on the drive and force the guys other than Middleton and Giannis to beat them.  I think Giannis will make adjustments like he did against Boston, and I hope Bud gets him the ball more on the baseline than the stand at the top of the key and take on their entire team on the drive.  First you can only really help with one guy when Giannis attacks from the baseline, maybe two, and Giannis can have a better view of everyone else on the perimeter when he's attacking from the baseline vs. straight on where he has to do a 180 to kick it back to the top of the key.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 16, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
Don't know how it played on TV, but at the game it was very obvious the Raptors were gassed in the 4th. Their biggest problem is that Kawhi has to play 40+ minutes every game for them to have a chance. He was a completely different player in the 4th after being far and away the best player on the floor for the first 2 1/2 quarters.

It played that way on TV too.  Shots stopped falling because none of those guys had any legs left.  It also manifested itself on the boards.  Sure Toronto got some tap out offensive rebounds.  But in tight quarters, guys like Lopez were dominating.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2019, 02:21:45 PM
Most of Kawhi's shots were short. Classic sign of fatigue.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2019, 03:11:34 PM
Most of Kawhi's shots were short. Classic sign of fatigue.

Yep, same as in the Blazers/Warriors game.  Blazers had a ton of trouble on rotations.  Basically never made a necessary second rotation cause they were so slow.  Granted the Warriors move the ball so well and force shifts aggressively, but Blazers coming off a grueling and emotional Game 7 on Sunday, travel day, then playing Tues night, they were beat.  Raptors same situation.  Running on fumes
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 16, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
Yep, same as in the Blazers/Warriors game.  Blazers had a ton of trouble on rotations.  Basically never made a necessary second rotation cause they were so slow.  Granted the Warriors move the ball so well and force shifts aggressively, but Blazers coming off a grueling and emotional Game 7 on Sunday, travel day, then playing Tues night, they were beat.  Raptors same situation.  Running on fumes

This is exactly why, I think, Bud is right that playoff basketball is really no different than regular season basketball. Bucks depth has consistently enabled running people out of the gyms in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

I'll say this, if Toronto needs Kyle Lowry playing like Steph Curry to beat the Bucks, coupled with the Bucks shooting 25% from 3, I'll take those odds and tip my cap if it happens.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on May 16, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
This is exactly why, I think, Bud is right that playoff basketball is really no different than regular season basketball. Bucks depth has consistently enabled running people out of the gyms in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

I'll say this, if Toronto needs Kyle Lowry playing like Steph Curry to beat the Bucks, coupled with the Bucks shooting 25% from 3, I'll take those odds and tip my cap if it happens.

Those are both good points but there are outliers both ways. Raptors not named Lowry were 0-15 in the 4th quarter. That's not happening again. Non-Lowry Raptors were 8-33 from 3P range. That likely is not happening again. Kawhi shot 38%. That probably will be his series low. Brook probably played his best game he'll play this series.

I think the Bucks win the series but I've seen a lot of "The Bucks played awful and still won!" today. As if the Raptors didn't play awful outside of Lowry. Both teams got one good performance (Lopez, Lowry). Giannis was better than Kawhi. Nobody else really played well besides maybe Brogdon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 16, 2019, 05:58:38 PM
Those are both good points but there are outliers both ways. Raptors not named Lowry were 0-15 in the 4th quarter. That's not happening again. Non-Lowry Raptors were 8-33 from 3P range. That likely is not happening again. Kawhi shot 38%. That probably will be his series low. Brook probably played his best game he'll play this series.

I think the Bucks win the series but I've seen a lot of "The Bucks played awful and still won!" today. As if the Raptors didn't play awful outside of Lowry. Both teams got one good performance (Lopez, Lowry). Giannis was better than Kawhi. Nobody else really played well besides maybe Brogdon.

That's basically what Toronto has done all post season.  Ride Kawhi to a lot of shots and a lot of points, one other player steps up, and nobody else provides anything offensively really.  Toronto did what they've done all Playoffs.  Could things suddenly change and all of a sudden all of Lowry/Green/Ibaka/Gasol/Siakam play consistently well the rest of the series?  Sure, in theory.  But that just hasn't happened at all this post season.  Yet with Mirotic, Bledsoe, and Middleton being awful, Hill and Pat C. giving you basically nothing after being great all Playoffs so far, and Giannis being, for his standards, average at best, the Bucks still won.

The Bucks didn't win 69 games so far this year on accident.  They're the better team.  But the way a worse team can steal a series is to take game 1 on the road.  Game 1 is a wild card.  Teams feel each other out a bit.  The Raptors had their chance.  The Bucks wore them down.  One team plays 7 and get very little offensively beyond a 2nd guy each game, the other team goes 9 deep and gets consistent contributions from most of the guys that play.  The Bucks probably aren't going to shoot 25% (or worse) from 3 the rest of this series.  And the Raptors might hit 15 three pointers once more this series?  Just think it's a tall task to have a team win 4 of 6, with 3 of those on the road, when they're just not the better overall team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 17, 2019, 08:43:45 AM
Those are both good points but there are outliers both ways. Raptors not named Lowry were 0-15 in the 4th quarter. That's not happening again. Non-Lowry Raptors were 8-33 from 3P range. That likely is not happening again. Kawhi shot 38%. That probably will be his series low. Brook probably played his best game he'll play this series.

I think the Bucks win the series but I've seen a lot of "The Bucks played awful and still won!" today. As if the Raptors didn't play awful outside of Lowry. Both teams got one good performance (Lopez, Lowry). Giannis was better than Kawhi. Nobody else really played well besides maybe Brogdon.

Lopez on line 2 for ya!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 17, 2019, 06:06:51 PM
tyreke evans, former 4th pick of the 1st round 2009 and rookie of the year suspended for 2 years for drug abuse.  i forgot about oj mayo

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26769841/tyreke-evans-disqualified-nba-2-years
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: baumu on May 17, 2019, 11:19:10 PM
38 and 39 minutes for Kawhi and Lowry in a blowout loss...will take that every day as a Bucks fan
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 17, 2019, 11:50:56 PM
38 and 39 minutes for Kawhi and Lowry in a blowout loss...will take that every day as a Bucks fan

Only 35 for Giannis - everyone else under 30.

That is huge this time of year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 18, 2019, 12:09:56 AM
Bucks are steamrolling the Rapts.  Team over SuperStar.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 18, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
Kawhi is really good.  But he's not nearly enough.  The first half was Championship basketball by the Bucks. Joy to watch at both ends of the floor. As Sir Charles said, 'Quick and painless.'
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 18, 2019, 12:25:54 PM
Role players tend to play better at home. We’ll see if the Raptors not named Kawhi step up going back to Toronto and if the Bucks bench mob keeps it up.

I do think people forgot how good Brogdon is when he was out for so long. I think people thought “ehh they lost their 4th best player (which is debatable), solid but not a giant loss.” Turns out it wasn’t a giant loss, but it was a giant addition when he came back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 18, 2019, 08:05:57 PM
Brogdon is a near All Star talent.  Probably the 5th or 6th best player for both teams combined in the series.  Testament to the incredible depth the Bucks have with him coming off the bench.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 18, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
Brogdon is a near All Star talent.  Probably the 5th or 6th best player for both teams combined in the series.  Testament to the incredible depth the Bucks have with him coming off the bench.

And a quality human being.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 18, 2019, 10:36:01 PM
Assuming GS holds on tonight, that means that since Durrant joined GS they have won 30 of the 31 games that Durrant has missed with injuries.

Heard a stat yesterday, that they’ve averaged almost 40 passes more per game since Durrant hurt his calf.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: martyconlonontherun on May 19, 2019, 03:49:57 AM
Role players tend to play better at home. We’ll see if the Raptors not named Kawhi step up going back to Toronto and if the Bucks bench mob keeps it up.

I do think people forgot how good Brogdon is when he was out for so long. I think people thought “ehh they lost their 4th best player (which is debatable), solid but not a giant loss.” Turns out it wasn’t a giant loss, but it was a giant addition when he came back.
I’ve rotated 2 through 5 for most valuable bucks at least eight times this season. They are all highly valued yet flawed players. No clear number 2, but glad we have them all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 19, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
I’ve rotated 2 through 5 for most valuable bucks at least eight times this season. They are all highly valued yet flawed players. No clear number 2, but glad we have them all.

I think their greatest attribute is an unending commitment to team.  Every guy on the Bucks has a 'Whatever you need Coach Bud' attitude.  And it starts at the top.  Hard to think of a more humble committed superstar in sports than Giannis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 19, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
Hard to think of a more humble committed superstar in sports than Giannis.

Odell Beckham Jr.?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on May 19, 2019, 11:49:27 AM
I think their greatest attribute is an unending commitment to team.  Every guy on the Bucks has a 'Whatever you need Coach Bud' attitude.  And it starts at the top.  Hard to think of a more humble committed superstar in sports than Giannis.

Yup. And speaks to the importance of having a coach that has the players' respect, especially in the NBA. All of those guys really believe Coach Bud knows his crape, and that if they implement his plan, it will work out well for the team and the for the individual player. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 19, 2019, 01:42:45 PM
Question for all our Bucks fan Scoopers ...

What was the general feeling when this coach was hired? Likey? No likey? No strong opinion either way?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on May 19, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
I was a big fan of the hire. Did not think we’d be this good this quick. However, I was excited when we got Bud.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 19, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
Question for all our Bucks fan Scoopers ...

What was the general feeling when this coach was hired? Likey? No likey? No strong opinion either way?

5 years to judge...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 19, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
Question for all our Bucks fan Scoopers ...

What was the general feeling when this coach was hired? Likey? No likey? No strong opinion either way?

Liked it a lot. Good track record in San Antonio and Atlanta.

I think you would have been a better coach than Jason Kidd. After watching him for years in Milwaukee, I never had any idea what his offensive OR defensive philosophy was. Only took a few games and you could see exactly what Coach Bud was trying to do on both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 19, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
Question for all our Bucks fan Scoopers ...

What was the general feeling when this coach was hired? Likey? No likey? No strong opinion either way?

Bud was someone who I think most thought would get the most of his players, and the simpler defensive scheme would enable better offensive production.

I did not expect them to be in the driver's seat of the ECF when the players they are getting the most out of included Ilyasova, Brook Lopez and Pat Connaughton
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 19, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Question for all our Bucks fan Scoopers ...

What was the general feeling when this coach was hired? Likey? No likey? No strong opinion either way?

Don't follow the NBA all that closely.  But I knew they had to rid themselves of Kidd.  And the job that Horst has done is top shelf.  Do they even have GM of the year?  Easy choice.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on May 19, 2019, 03:50:11 PM
Honestly, Milwaukee has two of the best young superstar GMs in all of sports.  I hope our native friends in Cream City appreciate it.  Cities of a million folks don't get MVP performances and championship teams often.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 19, 2019, 04:53:40 PM
Assuming GS holds on tonight, that means that since Durrant joined GS they have won 30 of the 31 games that Durrant has missed with injuries.

Heard a stat yesterday, that they’ve averaged almost 40 passes more per game since Durrant hurt his calf.

They are pretty bad when Curry doesn't play.

Curry is the most important and best player on that team.

I don't know why people try to act like he is no longer a top player in the NBA. Do not understand the absurd Curry hate.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 19, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
They are pretty bad when Curry doesn't play.

Curry is the most important and best player on that team.

I don't know why people try to act like he is no longer a top player in the NBA. Do not understand the absurd Curry hate.

Totally agree with ya, Forgetful.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 19, 2019, 07:24:07 PM
Don't follow the NBA all that closely.  But I knew they had to rid themselves of Kidd.  And the job that Horst has done is top shelf.  Do they even have GM of the year?  Easy choice.

NBA Executive of the Year is the award.

Masai Ujiri or Horst are the likely choices.  Marks is also receiving some support.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 19, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
Giannis playin' tanite, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 19, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
Giannis playin' tanite, hey?

Brutal. And Bledsoe...yeesh. Middleton has been absent offensively all series.

But Toronto hasn’t put them away yet. Grind it out and steal this one and it will break their will.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 19, 2019, 08:23:16 PM
Why is Bledsoe playing?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 19, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
15 million reasons why, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 19, 2019, 09:06:17 PM
I’m certain Budenholzer is in on the fix tonight. I cannot for the life of me come up with any other reason that Bledsoe would be back in the game after the Bucks go on a run to tie the game...then to start overtime...then to start double overtime.

NBA couldn’t have both Conference Finals at 3-0.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on May 19, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
I’m certain Budenholzer is in on the fix tonight. I cannot for the life of me come up with any other reason that Bledsoe would be back in the game after the Bucks go on a run to tie the game...then to start overtime...then to start double overtime.

NBA couldn’t have both Conference Finals at 3-0.

Only thing I can think of is guys needing rest.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 19, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
They needed to get the ball inside and he’s good at it. He also is a very good perimeter defender. But he was bad tonight. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on May 19, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
Bledsoe has been bad for a good chunk of the playoffs.

So frustrating tonight. Had every chance to kill this series off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 20, 2019, 11:21:40 PM
Warriors looking unreal right now. Almost like they conserve their energy in the first half cause their 3rd quarters have been unstoppable.

For all his criticism, Draymond has been an absolute joy to watch this series. High energy, making plays all over on both ends, and lifting up his teammates constantly. McKinnie made a great rebound and putback in OT and Draymond was in his ear immediately at the next timeout praising him.

Also, Steph caps off the “Rumors of My Demise Were Greatly Exaggerated” series with a 37 point triple double. Guess he shook off that missed dunk in Houston
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on May 21, 2019, 12:36:14 AM
Hey, number 1 seed makes the finals...again.

Not so crapshooty in the NBA...again.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 21, 2019, 06:36:59 AM
Hey, number 1 seed makes the finals...again.

Not so crapshooty in the NBA...again.

What do you mean “...again?”

Neither number 1 seed made the Finals last year...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: lawdog77 on May 21, 2019, 06:50:08 AM
Hey, number 1 seed makes the finals...again.

Not so crapshooty in the NBA...again.
jfc, you are annoying
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 21, 2019, 08:01:35 AM
Hey, number 1 seed makes the finals...again.

Not so crapshooty in the NBA...again.


Are you an annoying little pest in person too?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on May 21, 2019, 11:08:10 AM
Wall Street Journal with a scorching hot take this morning:

@WSJ
The Warriors would not be a dynasty without Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala and Kevin Durant on.wsj.com/2VV6Ix2
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on May 21, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
What do you mean “...again?”

Neither number 1 seed made the Finals last year...

Again, meaning if you read some of the articles that I posted on who wins NBA, NHL, NCAA, NFL, etc, the NBA by far (not even close) has the top teams make it into the finals.  Again.  Furthermore, let’s not confuse top seed in the playoffs = best team.  You are also a function of your schedule, and if you play in a weaker division or conference you get to pile up more wins. 

So yes, Again.   What was the number posted, something ridiculous like the last 30 nba champions only a small handful were not considered the best team going into the playoffs. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
Wall Street Journal with a scorching hot take this morning:

@WSJ
The Warriors would not be a dynasty without Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala and Kevin Durant on.wsj.com/2VV6Ix2

But hey, the writer has a point.

The Bulls wouldn't have been a dynasty without Jordan, Pippen and a few others, either. And take all the good players away from the old Celtics, and they would have only had bad players!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 21, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
But hey, the writer has a point.

The Bulls wouldn't have been a dynasty without Jordan, Pippen and a few others, either. And take all the good players away from the old Celtics, and they would have only had bad players!

Well, you can't deny that if the Celtics hadn't won all of those championships, they wouldn't have won those championships.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on May 21, 2019, 02:00:50 PM
Wall Street Journal with a scorching hot take this morning:

@WSJ
The Warriors would not be a dynasty without Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala and Kevin Durant on.wsj.com/2VV6Ix2

Magic Johnson must be the new sportswriter for WSJ.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 21, 2019, 03:21:53 PM
Again, meaning if you read some of the articles that I posted on who wins NBA, NHL, NCAA, NFL, etc, the NBA by far (not even close) has the top teams make it into the finals.  Again.  Furthermore, let’s not confuse top seed in the playoffs = best team.  You are also a function of your schedule, and if you play in a weaker division or conference you get to pile up more wins. 

So yes, Again.   What was the number posted, something ridiculous like the last 30 nba champions only a small handful were not considered the best team going into the playoffs.

Okay.  I guess I will apologize for you that you wrote the number one seed is again in the NBA Finals, when you meant to say that the best team and not the number one seed is in the NBA Finals?  You're the one who brought up the one seed...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 21, 2019, 04:35:10 PM
The ink in the WSJ last week, along with this piece reiterates what the results of hard work and dedication can be. Coming back from hip surgery, #5 has lost 35 lbs. by changing his diet, but added needed muscle. Kerr calls him the smartest player on their team. Great success for a very deserving young man. I've shared a number with him that I think is attainable this summer in free agency. Let's just say I'm very happy for him. I know how hard he's worked.

Steve Kerr: "[Kevon] Looney has become one of our foundational pieces"
Last summer, any team could have snapped up Kevon Looney and had him for just a little over the minimum. The Warriors had not picked up his fourth-year option. Part of that was financial, but he hadn’t blown the doors off anybody — he was averaging just 4 points a game for the Warriors — but he was healthy and had become part of the Warriors rotation. The Warriors saw the potential, but nobody else stepped up. Looney returned to the Warriors on a $1.6 million, one year contract.
He’s going to make a lot more this July as an unrestricted free agent after a strong season — establishing himself before DeMarcus Cousins got healthy — and stronger playoffs. The Warriors’ goal is to keep him.
“Looney has become one of our foundational pieces. He does this every single night,” Warriors coach Steve Kerr said after his team eliminated Portland from the playoffs, a game where Looney had 12 points and 14 rebounds off the bench. “I think one thing that we’ve seen in almost every series, is as the game goes on and players get tired, Loon gets more and more rebounds. He just has a knack for the ball. Really long arms. Great feel for the game. And so his rebounding, I think he had 14 tonight, a bunch of offensive boards [four]. Really a big key for us.”
Looney was taken aback by those comments, talking to Anthony Slater of The Athletic.
The question becomes, can the Warriors afford to keep him?
Golden State undoubtedly wants to, team president Bob Myers called him a priority, but then admitted the Warriors have a lot of priorities this summer. Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson will get max offers (Thompson will sign his, Durant is another story), plus there is DeMarcus Cousins, the possibility Shaun Livingston retires, and more. The Warriors are going to be a tax paying team, but how much tax will they pay to keep Looney as their starting center?
Unlike last summer, Looney’s phone will ring with offers from other teams, an athletic big man who is active on the glass is in demand. However, with the way the game is shifting, demand for centers also is down, which could favor Golden State because the market for Looney may not be crazy.
Looney, who has never made more than $1.6 million, is going to take the most money, as he should — this is his kick at the can. This is his chance to set himself and his family up for life.
Looney could be one of those guys on the board for a while this summer as he and others wait for the first big dominoes to fall, then the other big-name centers to be snapped up — Nikola Vucevic, DeAndre Jordan, Cousins, etc. But Looney is going to have options. The Warriors will be one of them, but another team may try to come in over the top.
It’s hard to predict what happens to Looney this summer. All we know is he has won the Warriors over.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: houwarrior on May 21, 2019, 05:21:58 PM
The ink in the WSJ last week, along with this piece reiterates what the results of hard work and dedication can be. Coming back from hip surgery, #5 has lost 35 lbs. by changing his diet, but added needed muscle. Kerr calls him the smartest player on their team. Great success for a very deserving young man. I've shared a number with him that I think is attainable this summer in free agency. Let's just say I'm very happy for him. I know how hard he's worked.

Steve Kerr: "[Kevon] Looney has become one of our foundational pieces"
Last summer, any team could have snapped up Kevon Looney and had him for just a little over the minimum. The Warriors had not picked up his fourth-year option. Part of that was financial, but he hadn’t blown the doors off anybody — he was averaging just 4 points a game for the Warriors — but he was healthy and had become part of the Warriors rotation. The Warriors saw the potential, but nobody else stepped up. Looney returned to the Warriors on a $1.6 million, one year contract.
He’s going to make a lot more this July as an unrestricted free agent after a strong season — establishing himself before DeMarcus Cousins got healthy — and stronger playoffs. The Warriors’ goal is to keep him.
“Looney has become one of our foundational pieces. He does this every single night,” Warriors coach Steve Kerr said after his team eliminated Portland from the playoffs, a game where Looney had 12 points and 14 rebounds off the bench. “I think one thing that we’ve seen in almost every series, is as the game goes on and players get tired, Loon gets more and more rebounds. He just has a knack for the ball. Really long arms. Great feel for the game. And so his rebounding, I think he had 14 tonight, a bunch of offensive boards [four]. Really a big key for us.”
Looney was taken aback by those comments, talking to Anthony Slater of The Athletic.
The question becomes, can the Warriors afford to keep him?
Golden State undoubtedly wants to, team president Bob Myers called him a priority, but then admitted the Warriors have a lot of priorities this summer. Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson will get max offers (Thompson will sign his, Durant is another story), plus there is DeMarcus Cousins, the possibility Shaun Livingston retires, and more. The Warriors are going to be a tax paying team, but how much tax will they pay to keep Looney as their starting center?
Unlike last summer, Looney’s phone will ring with offers from other teams, an athletic big man who is active on the glass is in demand. However, with the way the game is shifting, demand for centers also is down, which could favor Golden State because the market for Looney may not be crazy.
Looney, who has never made more than $1.6 million, is going to take the most money, as he should — this is his kick at the can. This is his chance to set himself and his family up for life.
Looney could be one of those guys on the board for a while this summer as he and others wait for the first big dominoes to fall, then the other big-name centers to be snapped up — Nikola Vucevic, DeAndre Jordan, Cousins, etc. But Looney is going to have options. The Warriors will be one of them, but another team may try to come in over the top.
It’s hard to predict what happens to Looney this summer. All we know is he has won the Warriors over.
4 u dis is a lotta text, I have a toothache?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 21, 2019, 08:38:57 PM
Bonehedded play bye Middleton ta end da half. Give him da max. Bledsoe, give him da air, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 21, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
The ink in the WSJ last week, along with this piece reiterates what the results of hard work and dedication can be. Coming back from hip surgery, #5 has lost 35 lbs. by changing his diet, but added needed muscle. Kerr calls him the smartest player on their team. Great success for a very deserving young man. I've shared a number with him that I think is attainable this summer in free agency. Let's just say I'm very happy for him. I know how hard he's worked.

Steve Kerr: "[Kevon] Looney has become one of our foundational pieces"
Last summer, any team could have snapped up Kevon Looney and had him for just a little over the minimum. The Warriors had not picked up his fourth-year option. Part of that was financial, but he hadn’t blown the doors off anybody — he was averaging just 4 points a game for the Warriors — but he was healthy and had become part of the Warriors rotation. The Warriors saw the potential, but nobody else stepped up. Looney returned to the Warriors on a $1.6 million, one year contract.
He’s going to make a lot more this July as an unrestricted free agent after a strong season — establishing himself before DeMarcus Cousins got healthy — and stronger playoffs. The Warriors’ goal is to keep him.
“Looney has become one of our foundational pieces. He does this every single night,” Warriors coach Steve Kerr said after his team eliminated Portland from the playoffs, a game where Looney had 12 points and 14 rebounds off the bench. “I think one thing that we’ve seen in almost every series, is as the game goes on and players get tired, Loon gets more and more rebounds. He just has a knack for the ball. Really long arms. Great feel for the game. And so his rebounding, I think he had 14 tonight, a bunch of offensive boards [four]. Really a big key for us.”
Looney was taken aback by those comments, talking to Anthony Slater of The Athletic.
The question becomes, can the Warriors afford to keep him?
Golden State undoubtedly wants to, team president Bob Myers called him a priority, but then admitted the Warriors have a lot of priorities this summer. Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson will get max offers (Thompson will sign his, Durant is another story), plus there is DeMarcus Cousins, the possibility Shaun Livingston retires, and more. The Warriors are going to be a tax paying team, but how much tax will they pay to keep Looney as their starting center?
Unlike last summer, Looney’s phone will ring with offers from other teams, an athletic big man who is active on the glass is in demand. However, with the way the game is shifting, demand for centers also is down, which could favor Golden State because the market for Looney may not be crazy.
Looney, who has never made more than $1.6 million, is going to take the most money, as he should — this is his kick at the can. This is his chance to set himself and his family up for life.
Looney could be one of those guys on the board for a while this summer as he and others wait for the first big dominoes to fall, then the other big-name centers to be snapped up — Nikola Vucevic, DeAndre Jordan, Cousins, etc. But Looney is going to have options. The Warriors will be one of them, but another team may try to come in over the top.
It’s hard to predict what happens to Looney this summer. All we know is he has won the Warriors over.

Do you know the guy?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 21, 2019, 09:31:20 PM
Neva herd of 'im, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
Doc has a man-crush on Looney fer sure.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 21, 2019, 10:14:23 PM
Neva herd of 'im, hey?

you keepin his grill real, right doc?




Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 22, 2019, 06:07:59 AM
Bucks defense has absolutely disappeared
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 22, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
Bucks defense has absolutely disappeared

They'll play better at home.

This is looking like one of those classic all-home-cookin' series. That's why you play well all season -- to win a series like this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on May 22, 2019, 09:57:19 AM
Looney has been excellent the entire playoffs. Reliable guy who knows his role. Smart player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 23, 2019, 09:58:43 PM
Raptors star completely out played the Bucks star.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 23, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
Raptors star completely out played the Bucks star.

I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 23, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.

Yeah I don’t think so. Leonard has been way better than Giannis. Nothing to do with the refs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 23, 2019, 10:02:23 PM
I agree the refs have been way better for Toronto than Giannis for the Bucks.
I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He’s not going to get calls doing that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2019, 10:04:04 PM
Another MKE choke job.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 23, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Haven’t felt any sense of urgency from the bucks the last 3 games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 23, 2019, 10:06:23 PM
They'll play better at home.

This is looking like one of those classic all-home-cookin' series. That's why you play well all season -- to win a series like this.

Never mind.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 23, 2019, 10:09:22 PM
I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He’s not going to get calls doing that.

Both are true though. Leonard is pushing off A LOT and getting away with all of it, but also drawing a ton of touch fouls. He’s been excellent this series but he’s still getting a SUPER favorable whistle.

Raps now 16-1 with Tony Brothers on the year.

That no-call on Lowry to give Siakim a free dunk was pathetic
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WithoutBias on May 23, 2019, 10:09:32 PM
I mean, Giannis continues to barrel into a wall of 5 raptors all series. He’s not going to get calls doing that.

agreed. giannis runs into a 5 man wall with 1 man lowering their arms into him and 4 others draping his arms. no calls. kawhi and lowry run into 2 guys and they’re sent to the line over and over.

an obvious, like literally cannot miss, offensive goaltend not called. an obvious, cant miss back court violation not called. go to the monitor to see if ball hits the rim. correctly determine it doesnt. see gasol entirely wrapping lopez’s arm up so he had to try to coral the rebound with one hand and obviously cant...send gasol to the free throw line.

the fix is more in than 2001.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on May 23, 2019, 10:16:12 PM
You'll never win a title in the modern NBA with a star that can't shoot. And you certainly can't give a Max deal to Middleton to appease said star.

I love Giannis, but his limitations are really being exposed in this series. And Khris has totally disappeared.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 23, 2019, 10:55:48 PM
Both are true though. Leonard is pushing off A LOT and getting away with all of it, but also drawing a ton of touch fouls. He’s been excellent this series but he’s still getting a SUPER favorable whistle.

Raps now 16-1 with Tony Brothers on the year.

That no-call on Lowry to give Siakim a free dunk was pathetic

7-0 in their last 7 with Marc Davis.

They got both guys tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 24, 2019, 09:05:05 AM
You'll never win a title in the modern NBA with a star that can't shoot. And you certainly can't give a Max deal to Middleton to appease said star.

I love Giannis, but his limitations are really being exposed in this series. And Khris has totally disappeared.


Yeah Giannis is reminding me of early stage LBJ. Needs to make the three a bigger part of his game. Not much, but enough to make the defense think.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on May 24, 2019, 09:26:26 AM
Maybe the Bucks could draw up a different game plan for game 6?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on May 24, 2019, 09:36:21 AM
NBA refs are going to call games based on flow (which is in turn dictated by style of play) as much as anything.  The game is just too fast and the players are too good to not anticipate calls at least somewhat.  Clearly the refs last night, for whatever reason, have been partial to the Raptors in recent history. The Raps have also been very good all season and won enough games to get the number 2 seed in the conference - so you would expect them to have a +.500 record for just about any officiating crew.  Those numbers are still lopsided, but not as dramatic as they might look at first glance.

Ultimately, the Bucks lack of halfcourt offense didn't do anything to overcome what might have been a marginal reffing obstacle heading in. The replays of set after set of Giannis putting his head down and driving through all 5 defenders were pretty damning. The Bucks ball movement was worse than the Raptors and so to the extent the refs were partial to something about the Raptors' style coming in, the Bucks didn't do anything to disabuse them of that slant - so its tough to for me to be too upset about it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on May 24, 2019, 10:00:15 AM
There are calls/no-calls here and there that bother me, but the Bucks inability to make open threes is 10x more responsible for their collapse than the officiating.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on May 24, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
NBA refs are going to call games based on flow (which is in turn dictated by style of play) as much as anything.  The game is just too fast and the players are too good to not anticipate calls at least somewhat.  Clearly the refs last night, for whatever reason, have been partial to the Raptors in recent history. The Raps have also been very good all season and won enough games to get the number 2 seed in the conference - so you would expect them to have a +.500 record for just about any officiating crew.  Those numbers are still lopsided, but not as dramatic as they might look at first glance.

Ultimately, the Bucks lack of halfcourt offense didn't do anything to overcome what might have been a marginal reffing obstacle heading in. The replays of set after set of Giannis putting his head down and driving through all 5 defenders were pretty damning. The Bucks ball movement was worse than the Raptors and so to the extent the refs were partial to something about the Raptors' style coming in, the Bucks didn't do anything to disabuse them of that slant - so its tough to for me to be too upset about it.

I mean, a combined 23-1 between 2 of the officials is pretty dramatic. That’s a pace of a 77 win season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 24, 2019, 12:22:31 PM
I mean, a combined 23-1 between 2 of the officials is pretty dramatic. That’s a pace of a 77 win season.

You have to see who those games were against to see if it is really a meaningful stat.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 09:40:28 PM
Hopefully, they can turn it around, but, if not, this is one of the greatest choke jobs In NBA history.

It is not one player. It is across the board.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
Hopefully, they can turn it around, but, if not, this is one of the greatest choke jobs In NBA history.

It is not one player. It is across the board.

It was inevitable. Bud’s been outcoached from the beginning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 25, 2019, 09:59:20 PM
Yup
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
It was inevitable. Bud’s been outcoached from the beginning.

Absolutely, Bud choked as well. Toronto adjusted, Milwaukee didn’t.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on May 25, 2019, 10:08:11 PM
Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.

Giannis looks scared out there.

And he’s obviously a stud. But at this point he still can’t be a playoff alpha.

He’s got absolutely no J. And you have to have a J. Mid range at least. He don’t even got that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>> Giannis

This game was won at the end of the third when he was tired and outperformed the entire Bucks team.

The team with the best player usually wins this type of series. Kawhi was the best by far.

On another note, I hope I don’t have to watch Middleton next year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 25, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
The team with the best player usually wins this type of series. Kawhi was the best by far.

On another note, I hope I don’t have to watch Middleton next year.

+1 Everything Jockey has said. Guess they were right about Bud coaching in postseason
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 10:11:41 PM
The ULTIMATE choke. Two biggest plays of the game were giving rebounds to Leonard off of missed FTs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
The team with the best player usually wins this type of series. Kawhi was the best by far.

On another note, I hope I don’t have to watch Middleton next year.

You won’t. Unless he takes a discount.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 10:14:17 PM
Golden State in 6.

Curry is the best player in that series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
You won’t. Unless he takes a discount.

You’re probably right. Two teams will be very sorry in a couple years - the ones that sign Middleton and Jimmy Butler to huge deals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 25, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
MKE was exposed. Devoid of foot speed. Devoid of talent. I would reconfigure their roster and turnover at least 6 players.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on May 25, 2019, 10:23:13 PM
I can't help but think this team will be a shell of itself next year.

No Lopez, no Hill, no Nico, and Middleton and Brogdon are FAs. I believe we can't offer a max to someone else other than Khris (please no) because we'd be hard capped. Someone with better understanding of the NBA cap let me know if I'm mistaken.

Don't think they'll be anywhere near as good in the next several years, and that shouldn't sit well with Giannis
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 25, 2019, 10:35:56 PM
Letting a 15 pt. lead evaporate, within minutes, deep in the 3rd quarter was brutal. Raptors knew they could make a run anytime they needed to. Bud outcoached by a novice. And, I would let Middleton go in FA. The dude is no where close to a max player. Already overpaying Bledsoe and Snell.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on May 25, 2019, 11:56:33 PM
I'm worried they'll sign Middleton to appease Giannis and completely limit what they can put around #34.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: #UnleashJayce on May 26, 2019, 12:36:19 AM
Well that was reminiscent...
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Anti-Dentite on May 26, 2019, 05:32:16 AM
Epic choke job, you could actually feel it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2019, 07:41:25 AM
Shows the importance of playoff experience. I think GS wipes the floor with both teams to be honest. I don’t know who we’d get to replace Middleton, but don’t think he’s worth what some other teams will offer him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on May 26, 2019, 09:10:46 AM
Golden State in 4
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on May 26, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
Letting a 15 pt. lead evaporate, within minutes, deep in the 3rd quarter was brutal. Raptors knew they could make a run anytime they needed to. Bud outcoached by a novice. And, I would let Middleton go in FA. The dude is no where close to a max player. Already overpaying Bledsoe and Snell.

A novice? Come on. Dude has been a head coach for decades and had success at all levels all over the world. That’s like calling Chris Beard a novice just cause he’s only been a D-1 coach 3 years. Basketball is basketball and Nurse is a damn good coach. He killed Bud in Xs and Os this series.

I dont think it was as big of a choke as some are saying. Toronto was at home, with a superior coach this series, and a better roster overall. The better team turned it on when they needed to. The Bucks missed some key rebounds late but they needed to be perfect to extend the game, not like the victory was in their hands and they fumbled it away in the last few min
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 08:29:21 AM
Golden State in 4

Raptors 118, Warriors 109, as Toronto controls the game all night in front of a raucous crowd.

This is why they play the games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 31, 2019, 09:00:19 AM
Raptors 118, Warriors 109, as Toronto controls the game all night in front of a raucous crowd.

This is why they play the games.

KD would have made a difference last night. The idea that GSW is better without him is bunk.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
KD would have made a difference last night. The idea that GSW is better without him is bunk.

Of course you are right. You don't get better after losing one of the 5 best basketball players on the planet.

Most of the time, the narrative I have seen is that GS is "better" with KD but more fun to watch without him. I'm not sure how much fun GS fans had watching last night's game, though.

Having said all that, neither of us (nor anybody else) knows that GS would have won with him last night. It's not like they are 255-0 in games he has played with them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BM1090 on May 31, 2019, 10:21:38 AM
I still think GS wins in 6 but everyone has been underestimating Toronto all year. The Raptors were favorites last night and will be favorites in 4 of the 7 games. They have a great shot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on May 31, 2019, 10:35:01 AM
Raptors 118, Warriors 109, as Toronto controls the game all night in front of a raucous crowd.

This is why they play the games.

Clearly shows the NBA playoffs are a crapshoot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on May 31, 2019, 12:02:21 PM
Raptors 118, Warriors 109, as Toronto controls the game all night in front of a raucous crowd.

This is why they play the games.

I severely underestimated Drake. Golden State in 5.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
Clearly shows the NBA playoffs are a crapshoot.

Nice.

I severely underestimated Drake. Golden State in 5.

Nicer.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 31, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
why was doc/clippers fined here?  i understand the teams cannot "tamper" (ahemlebronahem) with would be free agents, but all doc did was compliment kawhi.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26864879/clippers-fined-50k-rivers-kawhi-comments

i'm all ears here
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 02, 2019, 08:19:07 PM
Brothers reffing another Raptors game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2019, 10:03:29 PM
For some reason, the Raptors wouldn't foul Draymond in the closing seconds -- and they had 2 golden opportunities to do it -- before Iggy hit the dagger 3. Draymond is a 70% career FT shooter. Extend the game!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 02, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
For some reason, the Raptors wouldn't foul Draymond in the closing seconds -- and they had 2 golden opportunities to do it -- before Iggy hit the dagger 3. Draymond is a 70% career FT shooter. Extend the game!

Was weird. They then fouled Curry about 10 times, but no calls. Almost ended up getting Curry to turn it over. 

They didn't even try to recover and contest Iggy's shot.

Bizarre ending. Anyone else see the wink from the ref after calling the T on Curry?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2019, 10:30:22 PM
Was weird. They then fouled Curry about 10 times, but no calls. Almost ended up getting Curry to turn it over. 

They didn't even try to recover and contest Iggy's shot.

Bizarre ending. Anyone else see the wink from the ref after calling the T on Curry?

I thought I saw the wink, so I'm glad I wasn't just seeing things. But we don't know what he was winking at. Maybe somebody said something to him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 02, 2019, 10:38:19 PM
I thought I saw the wink, so I'm glad I wasn't just seeing things. But we don't know what he was winking at. Maybe somebody said something to him.

Agreed. No idea who he was winking at, figured it was someone saying something to him and him replying (I tried to lip read and failed). Just found it weird.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 07, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Is now the time to theorize again, as so many numb-nuts did, that the Warriors are better without one of the three best players in the world?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 08, 2019, 03:53:47 AM
Is now the time to theorize again, as so many numb-nuts did, that the Warriors are better without one of the three best players in the world?

What do you know, Warriors fans?  It’s almost like being down a starter or two in the NBA Finals can affect the outcome. Who’d have thunk it?!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on June 08, 2019, 08:57:20 AM
What do you know, Warriors fans?  It’s almost like being down a starter or two in the NBA Finals can affect the outcome. Who’d have thunk it?!

I know, missing Draymond & Bogut in 2016 just wasn't the same team, it didn't really count
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 08, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Is now the time to theorize again, as so many numb-nuts did, that the Warriors are better without one of the three best players in the world?

Crapshoot, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on June 10, 2019, 09:19:18 PM
The reffing in this game is atrocious.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 10, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
The reffing in this game is atrocious.

Down the stretch things were absurd.

The ball was clearly outside the cylinder on the only angle that had a clear view.

VanVleet had both arms wrapped around Curry holding him, they call the illegal screen against Cousins instead. Should have been a no call.

So much terrible officiating in this game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 10, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
Nick Nurse with just an atrocious job of taking the back to back timeouts. I don’t know if the media will talk about it, but I thought it as soon as he called the first timeout, the Raptors were in trouble. No idea what he was doing there, absolutely awful.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 10, 2019, 10:45:54 PM
Nick Nurse with just an atrocious job of taking the back to back timeouts. I don’t know if the media will talk about it, but I thought it as soon as he called the first timeout, the Raptors were in trouble. No idea what he was doing there, absolutely awful.

Thought the same thing. They were on a role, had all the momentum, the Warriors were way out of sync...and Nurse calls a timeout. Utterly unacceptable from an NBA coach.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 10, 2019, 11:23:16 PM
Nick Nurse with just an atrocious job of taking the back to back timeouts. I don’t know if the media will talk about it, but I thought it as soon as he called the first timeout, the Raptors were in trouble. No idea what he was doing there, absolutely awful.

Posted this elsewhere:

Couple things.

1) Kawhi goes on a personal 8-0 run to go up by 6 with 3? 2? minutes left in the game. Kawhi has the ball at the top of the key and Nick Nurse calls a timeout...and then another timeout before they even inbound the ball. Did Nick Nurse really call 2 timeouts to take in "the moment" as the building was rocking and they had all the momentum?

2) I was listening to a podcast with Brian Windhorst, Zach Lowe, Ramona Shelbourne, and a couple other people immediately after game 4 and they were questioning where KD is, basically saying he should be playing and wondering if there's friction between him and the rest of the Warriors and that's why he's not out there (even though the doctors hadn't cleared him to play...). Now he comes back and quite possibly tears his achilles. Maybe that's why he wasn't playing? This, people claiming Harden (whose playing style I can't stand) "quit" on his team when he plays 1 bad game in a series, etc. Yet nobody has made a peep about Kawhi literally faking an injury for an entire season to quit on the Spurs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 11, 2019, 02:01:06 AM
Raptors fans are crap.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 11, 2019, 05:55:51 AM
Terrible timeouts by Nurse, and then terrible offense on every possession after that.

5 close calls at the end of the game, all went against Warriors.

Cousins absolutely was moving and put his body into VanVleet. In a high school game, it's an easy moving screen call. Maybe in college, though possibly not in that situation. But the NBA lets its big men do that all game long without calling it. I mean, just about every possession. And as wades said, VanVleet was holding Curry.

The offensive interference call ... I thought it was a good call as I watched it live but the replay seemed to show it was off the rim on the one angle. But I believe the rule states that it has to be conclusive proof to overturn a call, and if an angle or two were inconclusive, does that mean they have to stick to the call? That's what Javie said, and I assume he knows the rule and how to interpret it. Tough call, but maybe they got it "right" in the context of the NBA replay rule?

The goaltending call on Cousins was an easy one. The ball obviously hit the backboard before the block. Not sure why any Warriors were upset about that one, although Cousins was probably feeling picked on.

Green double-dribbled. Correct call.

Leonard definitely traveled. No, he didn't move his pivot foot after he finally planted, but he took 3 steps, and pretty big ones at that, beforehand.

All that ... and the Warriors won anyway. Respect to them. Huge shots by Thompson and Curry, good defense by Iguodala, and good defensive game plan by Kerr.

And shame on folks for questioning KD's competitiveness and heart without concrete evidence.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2019, 07:45:42 AM
Like eye sed, a novice, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 11, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
I have been impressed by Nurse these playoffs.  He was terrible at the end of the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 11, 2019, 08:58:39 AM

The offensive interference call ... I thought it was a good call as I watched it live but the replay seemed to show it was off the rim on the one angle. But I believe the rule states that it has to be conclusive proof to overturn a call, and if an angle or two were inconclusive, does that mean they have to stick to the call? That's what Javie said, and I assume he knows the rule and how to interpret it. Tough call, but maybe they got it "right" in the context of the NBA replay rule?


Here's my problem with it, and maybe it is simply a fact that people don't understand perspective. The view that showed it was clearly off the rim was the only angle to give you an accurate view. The others, because of the angle, and how perspective works are going to make it look closer to the rim than it was.

When a ball is tipped out of bounds, they look for one clear angle, and make the call based on that. They don't care if there is a different angle that may suggest otherwise. Javie, and the officials seemed to make up a new rule on the spot, that all angles need to be conclusive. That isn't how they have ever done it, and had to rely on bad angles, with biased perspective to come to their conclusion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 11, 2019, 09:41:43 AM
Here's something that I was thinking about during the game last night that just blew my mind:  Kevin Durant was selected one pick after Greg Oden.  How is that possible when Oden has already been retired for 23 years?  Then again, Oden was 37 when he got drafted, so I guess it kind of makes sense.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 11, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
I have been impressed by Nurse these playoffs.  He was terrible at the end of the game.

Ditto. With about 2 minutes to go, I was thinking that Nurse maybe didn't "oat-coach" Kerr, but that he matched him quite well. But then ...

Here's my problem with it, and maybe it is simply a fact that people don't understand perspective. The view that showed it was clearly off the rim was the only angle to give you an accurate view. The others, because of the angle, and how perspective works are going to make it look closer to the rim than it was.

When a ball is tipped out of bounds, they look for one clear angle, and make the call based on that. They don't care if there is a different angle that may suggest otherwise. Javie, and the officials seemed to make up a new rule on the spot, that all angles need to be conclusive. That isn't how they have ever done it, and had to rely on bad angles, with biased perspective to come to their conclusion.

I think it all had to do with the call on the floor. If they had called a good tip-in, that wouldn't have been reversed, either. Kind of like Sam's shot. If it had been called no good on the floor, I'm 99.9% sure they would have said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn.

But yes, it looked like a good tip to me.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 11, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
I have been impressed by Nurse these playoffs.  He was terrible at the end of the game.

Nurse and Kerr are both very good coaches with different strengths, but both were BAD at times last night.  Kerr's strength is his man management, but also pulling the right levers when it comes to subsitutions and lineups.  I get that GS is pretty injured and he was trying to find rest for his stars into the end of the game, but he almost blew the game and the series running out Jordan Bell and Quinn Cook for as long as he did with McKinnie in crunch time.  They had no offense and Bell was getting abused defensively.  You steal minutes with that lineup in the 3rd quarter or first few min of the 4th.  Not under 5 min when Toronto is gelling for a final push.

What an incredible f-ing game though.  I can't stand Leonard, but his T-1000 stretch where he scored 10 straight was insane.  The response from the Warriors was equally amazing.  They never fail to impress me with the extra pass. Curry rebounding his missed 3 and immediately finding Klay on the wing for the trey.  The whipped swing pass from Draymond that made me get out of my seat before Klay did his side step dagger 3.  Just gorgeous.  And the Warriors completely locking down on that final possession.  Just awesome basketball on both ends.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 13, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
It's absolutely crazy how different officials treat Curry and Klay, compared to any other player. They are grabbed, held, hacked, pushed, etc on every possession with or without the ball, with no calls. Absolutely crazy what they let defenders get away with when guarding them.

There was just a possession where both Curry and Klay were flat out grabbed when they got free on a screen. Klay almost ended up turning it over because his arm was being held/pulled. Curry scored anyway.

Go to the other end, and VanFleet was lightly bumped coming off a screen, immediate whistle.

It's constantly that way, during the regular season now and the playoffs. Don't understand it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2019, 11:22:34 PM
It's absolutely crazy how different officials treat Curry and Klay, compared to any other player. They are grabbed, held, hacked, pushed, etc on every possession with or without the ball, with no calls. Absolutely crazy what they let defenders get away with when guarding them.

There was just a possession where both Curry and Klay were flat out grabbed when they got free on a screen. Klay almost ended up turning it over because his arm was being held/pulled. Curry scored anyway.

Go to the other end, and VanFleet was lightly bumped coming off a screen, immediate whistle.

It's constantly that way, during the regular season now and the playoffs. Don't understand it.

Well, they do get some calls. I mean, Klay twice was given 3 FTs when fouled on 3-pointers in a way that often isn't called. I certainly don't think they were screwed tonight.

It just wasn't their title to win. Overcoming the loss of Durant and Thompson against a team as good as Toronto ... too tough.

I'm glad to see a new champion, and IMHO it's kinda cool that it's the team from Canada.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 13, 2019, 11:46:18 PM
NBA offseason with two max players headed for free agency with a torn Achilles and likely an MCL/ACL tear make for crazy days ahead. With the West now kinda wide open, be really interesting to see what happens with Anthony Davis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 14, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
Well, they do get some calls. I mean, Klay twice was given 3 FTs when fouled on 3-pointers in a way that often isn't called. I certainly don't think they were screwed tonight.

The only person I think who can gripe about the officiating is Cousins. He got a call or two towards the end of the game, but my god he gets beaten up inside without a whistle. It’s shocking.

Raptors tried to give that game away multiple times. Just too much to overcome. Happy for Lowry and Gasol. Leonard can shove it.

FA gonna be wildly interesting. Kyrie to Brooklyn is the first “unexpected” domino
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 14, 2019, 12:34:22 AM
Klay torn left ACL.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 14, 2019, 02:25:56 AM
Anybody see Demar Derozan is trying to take some credit?
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Post by: MUfan12 on June 14, 2019, 08:35:38 AM
Toronto guarded like Huggy's Cincy teams. Beat the hell out of you and hope that they can't call them all.

Free agency is gonna be wild.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 14, 2019, 08:37:54 AM
NBA offseason with two max players headed for free agency with a torn Achilles and likely an MCL/ACL tear make for crazy days ahead. With the West now kinda wide open, be really interesting to see what happens with Anthony Davis.

Agree on this.

The Hornets have a max player in Kemba Walker, and there was speculation that he (and not Irving) would join Durant in New York. But that was before Durant blew out his Achilles and might have to miss all of 2019-20. Meanwhile, Kemba told Charlotte reporters a couple days ago that he'd accept less than the max to stay because he wants to win here and knows he won't be able to if he eats up all the cap space.

Interesting times ahead for sure.

On another note ...

I'd be bittersweet if I were a Bucks fan -- or even a Sixers fan. Each team had a nice season, and battled hard in the playoffs, but given the incredible amount of adversity the Warriors experienced, the title was there for an Eastern team to win this season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 14, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
This Bucks fan keeps going back to the Game 3 2OT loss.  Win that and the Bucks are the ones who could be celebrating this morning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 14, 2019, 09:01:29 AM
This Bucks fan keeps going back to the Game 3 2OT loss.  Win that and the Bucks are the ones who could be celebrating this morning.

If I were a Bucks fan, that would haunt me, too.

And if I were a Sixers fan, I'd see that shot by Leonard in my nightmares.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 14, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
The post '98 Jordan/lockout Bulls come to mind, but has there ever been an NBA title game where the two teams in the title game, immediately after the title game is over, both may struggle to make the playoffs the next season? I'm probably missing something blatant, but as that game unfolded last night, it was weird knowing both these teams are going to be vastly different next season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on June 14, 2019, 09:19:37 AM
Anybody see Demar Derozan is trying to take some credit?

I didn't see what he said, but DeMar DeRozan deserves some credit.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 14, 2019, 09:20:41 AM
As a Bucks fan I'm hoping they can run it back with all of the main pieces and that Kawhi goes West, the C's don't get AD, and one/both of Harris/Butler leave Philli.  Obviously it sucks that KD is probably going to miss the entire next season, but it does prevent the Knicks/Nets from getting Kyrie and KD to team up together next year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on June 14, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
This Bucks fan keeps going back to the Game 3 2OT loss.  Win that and the Bucks are the ones who could be celebrating this morning.

YUUUUUP.

Text to a friend this morning- "We should be going to a damn parade today."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 14, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
The post '98 Jordan/lockout Bulls come to mind, but has there ever been an NBA title game where the two teams in the title game, immediately after the title game is over, both may struggle to make the playoffs the next season? I'm probably missing something blatant, but as that game unfolded last night, it was weird knowing both these teams are going to be vastly different next season.

I don't see either of these teams having anywhere near the fall-off that the Jordan-less, Jackson-less, Pippen-less, Rodman-less, Longley-less, Kerr-less Bulls did.

The Warriors still have a superstar in Curry, several good role players (including an All-Star caliber one in Green) and, depending on what they do with Durant and Thompson, cap space.

Even without Leonard, the Raptors bring back Lowry, Siakam, VanVleet and Ibaka. That's a pretty nice base for a very good team. And I think Toronto looks like a pretty attractive place for free agents if Leonard leaves: a great city with a well-run franchise.

I guess there's a chance the Warriors miss the playoffs in a tough conference, especially if Curry and/or Green get hurt. Barring a catastrophic injury, I see very little chance that the Raptors miss the playoffs next season; I think they would be more likely to be one of the best teams in the conference again, especially if they bring in a decent player or two as they almost surely will.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 14, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
Durant played about 10 minutes total.  Thompson played in 3.5 games.  Looney played with a broken bone was supposed to be out.  Cousins hadn’t played in a long time only to come back for this series.

Still took Toronto 6 games and some bad free throw shooting by the Warriors down the stretch.  Warriors in a world of hurt with two main guys out next year and the contracts that go with them.  Bucks could be champions right now if they got to play that depleted Warriors squad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 14, 2019, 06:57:34 PM
Well, they do get some calls. I mean, Klay twice was given 3 FTs when fouled on 3-pointers in a way that often isn't called. I certainly don't think they were screwed tonight.

It just wasn't their title to win. Overcoming the loss of Durant and Thompson against a team as good as Toronto ... too tough.

I'm glad to see a new champion, and IMHO it's kinda cool that it's the team from Canada.

Both were obvious fouls. Klay was hit while shooting, those are called 90+% of the time. Toronto got the same calls for Lowry and VanVleet.

I'm not saying they were screwed tonight, I'm saying officiating is completely differently in regards to Curry/Klay all season long. They treat them different, you are allowed to grab, hold, hack, both of them and nothing is called. Curry is called for touch fouls when he plays defense, but is mugged non-stop on offense. Why? If you don't allow the defenders to mug Curry and Klay, they are unstoppable.

I agree it wasn't their title to win. Too much to overcome. But I do wish they would go back to officiating normal when it comes to Curry/Klay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 14, 2019, 09:19:01 PM
Anybody see Demar Derozan is trying to take some credit?

https://twitter.com/jlin7/status/1139616191222181888?s=21
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on June 14, 2019, 10:09:08 PM
https://twitter.com/jlin7/status/1139616191222181888?s=21

https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1139403012126806016 (https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1139403012126806016)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 15, 2019, 12:53:38 AM
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on June 15, 2019, 06:43:03 AM
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.

I enjoy this take
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 15, 2019, 10:25:29 AM
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.

Yeah, I was surprised by the massive media push to rewrite history in regards to Kawhi, and turn him into this selfless, reincarnation of Michael Jordan. Really seems like it was decided that Kawhi would be the next big push for the league in terms of face/brand, and it had to start with rewriting his history.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 15, 2019, 05:34:05 PM
Flakers going to the Finals this upcoming season.  UGH.

Just got Davis, will likely get Butler or someone like that.  Warriors in the infirmary.  Lebron back to the finals..... I hate the Flakers!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 15, 2019, 05:49:06 PM
Flakers going to the Finals this upcoming season.  UGH.

Just got Davis, will likely get Butler or someone like that.  Warriors in the infirmary.  Lebron back to the finals..... I hate the Flakers!!

Lebron has A LOT of miles on him.  I still think Butler is going to the Clippers.  I don't think this is a forgone conclusion.  Regardless, the tampering here is so blatant and obvious, but of course nothing will be done.

I actually LOVE this for the Pels.  Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, a top 4 pick, Jrue Holiday still not even 30 yet, and Julius Randle is still a good 3rd option.  Plus 2 firsts and and about another $10MM in cap space.  They could be really dangerous soon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 15, 2019, 05:53:13 PM
I think Butler just goes to whichever team needs to be blown up.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 15, 2019, 05:53:25 PM
Lebron has A LOT of miles on him.  I still think Butler is going to the Clippers.  I don't think this is a forgone conclusion.  Regardless, the tampering here is so blatant and obvious, but of course nothing will be done.

I actually LOVE this for the Pels.  Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, a top 4 pick, Jrue Holiday still not even 30 yet, and Julius Randle is still a good 3rd option.  Plus 2 firsts and and about another $10MM in cap space.  They could be really dangerous soon.

Lonzo, I just don't see it and never have.  Ingram will be good.  Pels got a lot of assets.   I think with Warriors injuries, Lebron is able to get a third piece and maybe a forth for the short haul.  The Flaker flags will be on all the cars starting tomorrow, like they were last Summer when he came here and suddenly they disappeared....similar to how the appeared when Dwight Howard was signed.  Flaker fans are the effing worst.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jonny09 on June 15, 2019, 06:05:14 PM
No guarantee with Ingram at all.  There is absolute potential he is damaged goods.   Dude has blood clots.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 15, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
That’s a haul for one year of Anthony Davis. I wonder what the future trade protections are going to be.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jonny09 on June 15, 2019, 06:07:23 PM
That’s a haul for one year of Anthony Davis. I wonder what the future trade protections are going to be.

1year??   He is absolutely signing long term.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 15, 2019, 06:09:37 PM
1year??   He is absolutely signing long term.

Why would he do that now? He has all the leverage in the world and Rich Paul just said he’s going into free agency next year.

Probable he re-signs there, but zero guarantee. If LBJ tears his Achilles, why stay?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 15, 2019, 06:14:32 PM
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.

How do we know he quit and was faking? There was speculation Durant was milking it and we saw what happened when he was actually rushed back. The guy’s doctors said not to play. His knee injury in the playoffs was from overcompensating for the quad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 15, 2019, 06:20:17 PM
Not one of those pieces does a thing for me. The miracle situation for the best piece (Ingram) is Ingram turns into Melo 2.0. The number 4 pick when it gets you...Culver? Lonzo? And future late first round draft picks?

I said if you’re allowed to include a sign and trade in a package and if Middleton wanted to end up in NO the Bucks should’ve offered Middleton and Bledsoe and told NO they have their starting backcourt for the next 4 years plus throw in Donte and DJ for some youth (don’t think they have any picks to trade). That’d do a lot more for me if I was NO.

As it stands today the Rockets are the best team in the West.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 15, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
How do we know he quit and was faking? There was speculation Durant was milking it and we saw what happened when he was actually rushed back. The guy’s doctors said not to play. His knee injury in the playoffs was from overcompensating for the quad.

You buy Kawhi had a knee injury? Lol.

If you want to believe it was legit fair enough. As far as I know KD never demanded a trade and wasn’t going to sit out a second straight season if he didn’t get it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 15, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
This trade would make sense to me, Jrue & 4 to Washington for Beal & 9.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on June 15, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
Anthony Davis to the Lakers
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 15, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
Anthony Davis to the Lakers

No way!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 15, 2019, 09:11:18 PM
 3 first round picks plus ingram and ball and hart were all were 1st round picks.  what does new orleans do with all these players?  not enough ball(no pun) to go around


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/new-orleans-pelicans-trade-anthony-davis-to-l-a-lakers-reports
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 15, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
toronto is a click above average without KL, that's it.  nice team, but doesn't get past 1st round without him
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 15, 2019, 09:35:03 PM
i was wondering what took so long...sounds kinda like lavar just leveled the curse of the billy goat on the lakers...ruh-roh eyn'a? ::)

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26983392/lakers-going-regret-trading-lonzo
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jonny09 on June 15, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Why would he do that now? He has all the leverage in the world and Rich Paul just said he’s going into free agency next year.

Probable he re-signs there, but zero guarantee. If LBJ tears his Achilles, why stay?

Nothing to argue over, but this is a forgone conclusion.  He will be a laker for a long long time. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 15, 2019, 10:41:18 PM
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 15, 2019, 11:56:25 PM
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

Flakers desperate and in win now mode.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 16, 2019, 06:19:17 AM
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.


If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: WarriorFan on June 16, 2019, 06:37:36 AM
Now all the Pelicans need is coaching and general management.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2019, 08:24:16 AM
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

For teams wanting to actually win championships instead of just hang around the bottom of the playoff chase, it's necessary to acquire superstars.

Lakers now said to be targeting Kemba in free agency, and they have the money to get it done.

Pair a team-first PG who will do whatever a team needs like Kemba, with LeBron, Davis and Kuzma and you certainly have the makings of a championship team -- especially with the Warriors not a factor next season.

If they don't get a guy like Kemba, the Lakers will still need one more very good to great backcourt player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 16, 2019, 10:02:28 AM

If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."

That was done in part to stop big markets from winning the majority of the times.  To give small markets a fighting chance.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: reinko on June 16, 2019, 10:36:04 AM
Now all the Pelicans need is coaching and general management.

Uhhh, their new GM David Griffin literally manufactured this trade to set them up with most amount of assets and flexibility for the next 6-7 years.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 16, 2019, 10:58:38 AM

If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."

BS. If they want the freedom to play where they want to, they can sign 1-year contracts. Just like everything in life, you can't have everything you want, you have to make sacrifices. Whining about how "unfair" free agency is in the NBA is ridiculous.

Kawhi faked a knee injury, at least have the balls to do what Bell did and just say I'm not playing...period.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 16, 2019, 12:16:42 PM
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

Sounds like a lot.... but Lakers are going to win or not based on FAs that they sign - not draft picks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 16, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
And people ripping the Pelicans and saying they made a huge mistake by not accepting the sub-par offer at the deadline this year  ::)

Glad Pelicans management knew what leverage they had with AD. Good for them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
And people ripping the Pelicans and saying they made a huge mistake by not accepting the sub-par offer at the deadline this year  ::)

Glad Pelicans management knew what leverage they had with AD. Good for them.

This. There was absolutely no reason to panic and make an inferior trade last Feb. I was surprised so many folks bought the narrative that they HAD to do something back then.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 16, 2019, 01:38:16 PM
Sounds like a lot.... but Lakers are going to win or not based on FAs that they sign - not draft picks.

The key is the bulk of these picks are with a retired LBJ. If Davis gets hurt in any year these swaps/picks come up, these are really nice lotto tickets. Also the one and done rule will be either gone or significantly different by the time these picks come up. Ton of value to either keep or trade these.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on June 16, 2019, 01:46:14 PM
The key is the bulk of these picks are with a retired LBJ. If Davis gets hurt in any year these swaps/picks come up, these are really nice lotto tickets. Also the one and done rule will be either gone or significantly different by the time these picks come up. Ton of value to either keep or trade these.

Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks
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Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2019, 01:57:42 PM
Reminds me a little of when Bucks traded Kareem to Lakers. Bucks got some nice players in the deal and it helped them make playoffs year after year. But Lakers ended up with the superstar and the titles.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on June 16, 2019, 02:16:57 PM
Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks

Agreed. With this trade, the Lakers really should be AD's team, not Lebron's. AD is young, entering his prime, and at least last year was the better player.

No reason Lebron retiring should make the Lakers suddenly a lottery team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 16, 2019, 02:19:31 PM
Pair a team-first PG who will do whatever a team needs like Kemba, with LeBron, Davis and Kuzma and you certainly have the makings of a championship team -- especially with the Warriors not a factor next season.

If they don't get a guy like Kemba, the Lakers will still need one more very good to great backcourt player.

No disrespect to Kemba, but I don’t see that and don’t think he’s a good fit. He’s a ball dominant PG who isn’t a great defender and his best skill is scoring. He will be the 3rd option there. And you take a guy who scores a ton leading the offense and want to put him on the wing for catch and shoot? Just doesn’t makes sense to me. Honestly someone like Tobias Harris fits better IMO.

And I was talking to another friend of mine, who is a Lakers fan, and he’s not totally convinced Lebron and AD coexist as perfectly as people think. AD is versatile, but he’s still a C, and Lebron has not had great success getting the best out of skilled big men in his career.

If you’re a Lakers hater or NO fan, the not impossible dream scenario is AD picking  up another injury (he’s the Gronk of the NBA in that regard) and Lebron mailing it in afterwards.

Also, if you’re the Pels, you don’t trade Jrue. Jrue and Lonzo are likely a top 2 defensive backcourt in the league
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 16, 2019, 02:38:51 PM
Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks

I think the point being missed by many is the severe lack of protections in place. If all these picks were protected, that’d be different.

Also, it’s not like the Lakers have been some juggernaut recently, and they signed the best possible FA last season and wound up in the lottery. They’re all in for the next 3 years. After that, you’ll have a new CBA, the one and done will be gone. Sure, none of those picks could wind up in the lottery, but that’s a pretty good bet by the Pels.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on June 16, 2019, 03:03:58 PM
I think the point being missed by many is the severe lack of protections in place. If all these picks were protected, that’d be different.

I'm not missing that point, I'm just not convinced protection will be necessary. I see no reason anyone would be confident that the 2023-2025 Lakers will be among the league's worst teams. And as the Ringer story illustrates, lottery picks outside the top 5 are rarely all stars and only become NBA starters about 50 percent of the time. 
So, the "good" bet here by the Pelicans  is that a) the Lakers will be very bad in 4-5 years and b) they'll hit on their picks.

I'm not knocking the Pelicans' return. I think they probably did the best they could. But it's far from a sure thing that these future draft picks are as valuable as some seem to believe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
No disrespect to Kemba, but I don’t see that and don’t think he’s a good fit. He’s a ball dominant PG who isn’t a great defender and his best skill is scoring. He will be the 3rd option there. And you take a guy who scores a ton leading the offense and want to put him on the wing for catch and shoot? Just doesn’t makes sense to me. Honestly someone like Tobias Harris fits better IMO.

And I was talking to another friend of mine, who is a Lakers fan, and he’s not totally convinced Lebron and AD coexist as perfectly as people think. AD is versatile, but he’s still a C, and Lebron has not had great success getting the best out of skilled big men in his career.

If you’re a Lakers hater or NO fan, the not impossible dream scenario is AD picking  up another injury (he’s the Gronk of the NBA in that regard) and Lebron mailing it in afterwards.

Also, if you’re the Pels, you don’t trade Jrue. Jrue and Lonzo are likely a top 2 defensive backcourt in the league

During the Hornets' most recent playoff season, Kemba played off the ball A LOT. Nice Batum and Jeremy Lin did a huge amount of ballhandling.

Kemba would play fine with LeBron and Davis if he chose to sign with LA.

The other stuff you say here ... I guess we'll see if LeBron and Davis can play together and if AD can stay healthy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 16, 2019, 04:21:40 PM
While 5-7 teams every year have an incentive to tank (better chance at a top 3 draft pick), the Lakers will not have that incentive (the Pelicans, a team in their Conference, will have their picks). You have to be REALLY bad to finish below teams TRYING to lose if you have no incentive to lose yourself. Just look at the Celtics and their refusal to trade their Nets pick for a number of stars, including Kawhi. They hung on thinking they’ll go bigger and it’ll be the key piece in their package for AD and then sign him long term, and then it turns out the Nets make the Playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 16, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
Agreed. With this trade, the Lakers really should be AD's team, not Lebron's. AD is young, entering his prime, and at least last year was the better player.

No reason Lebron retiring should make the Lakers suddenly a lottery team.

I don't think AD has ever shown the alpha dog mentality in the NBA. Maybe that can change. I don't see it though.

The Lakers will still be LBJ's team this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 16, 2019, 06:04:39 PM
BS. If they want the freedom to play where they want to, they can sign 1-year contracts. Just like everything in life, you can't have everything you want, you have to make sacrifices. Whining about how "unfair" free agency is in the NBA is ridiculous.


Per usual, nothing you said negates my point.  As I said, its leverage to get "max deals where they want to play."  A one year contract isn't a max deal.

NBA free agency is by and large unfair to those at the top end of the pyramid.  Those players are routinely underpaid considering their impact.  Now it was collectively bargained, so its legally fine, but I don't blame super stars for doing what they do to leverage what they want.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 16, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
Most businesses are made to be profitable. How do you know what an employee “is worth,” and if you pay every single employee what they’re “worth” are you still going to have a business? If LeBron James and Michael Jordan never existed do David Robinson (or pick the 2nd best player from that era) and Kevin Durant become “worth” what those 2 were/are?

Personally, I think anybody making $25M+/year in base salary and hundreds of millions more (total, not yearly) in endorsements is compensated more than “fairly.”
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 16, 2019, 06:59:44 PM
Most businesses are made to be profitable. How do you know what an employee “is worth,” and if you pay every single employee what they’re “worth” are you still going to have a business? If LeBron James and Michael Jordan never existed do David Robinson (or pick the 2nd best player from that era) and Kevin Durant become “worth” what those 2 were/are?

Personally, I think anybody making $25M+/year in base salary and hundreds of millions more (total, not yearly) in endorsements is compensated more than “fairly.”


I don’t think your opinion has anything to do with it. The market does.

James would undoubtedly make much more money without the CBA restrictions in place. Michael Jordan made $33 million in his last year because the cap was more flexible then. And that was 20 years ago.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 16, 2019, 07:00:00 PM
I'm not missing that point, I'm just not convinced protection will be necessary. I see no reason anyone would be confident that the 2023-2025 Lakers will be among the league's worst teams. And as the Ringer story illustrates, lottery picks outside the top 5 are rarely all stars and only become NBA starters about 50 percent of the time. 
So, the "good" bet here by the Pelicans  is that a) the Lakers will be very bad in 4-5 years and b) they'll hit on their picks.

I'm not knocking the Pelicans' return. I think they probably did the best they could. But it's far from a sure thing that these future draft picks are as valuable as some seem to believe.

I think you are spot on. I agree that the Pelicans got a very good return. But, draft picks are an unknown. And as you said, we don't know where those picks will be and if some will even have much value if they are late 1st round.

I think the Lakers clearly "won" this trade. It took them from being a non-playoff team to being one of the top contenders for the title.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2019, 09:02:29 PM

I don’t think your opinion has anything to do with it. The market does.

James would undoubtedly make much more money without the CBA restrictions in place. Michael Jordan made $33 million in his last year because the cap was more flexible then. And that was 20 years ago.

Well then, James should do what Jordan did and work hard to get a better CBA.

Until then, he'll have to feed Latrell Sprewell's family the best he can.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on June 16, 2019, 09:06:56 PM

I don’t think your opinion has anything to do with it. The market does.

James would undoubtedly make much more money without the CBA restrictions in place. Michael Jordan made $33 million in his last year because the cap was more flexible then. And that was 20 years ago.

Exactly.
It's OK to say "NBA players make a sh*tload of money and should feel blessed" while also recognizing they play under a system that artificially depresses the compensation of the best players.
These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 16, 2019, 09:20:38 PM
Exactly.
It's OK to say "NBA players make a sh*tload of money and should feel blessed" while also recognizing they play under a system that artificially depresses the compensation of the best players.
These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.


Right.  I'm not saying anyone should feel sorry for them either.  I just find it odd that Leonard gets criticized for using his leverage to get himself a better deal, but owners like Lasry and Edens are praised for their ownership when much of it is based on how they blackmailed taxpayers to get them to fund a new arena.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 16, 2019, 09:22:49 PM

Right.  I'm not saying anyone should feel sorry for them either.  I just find it odd that Leonard gets criticized for using his leverage to get himself a better deal, but owners like Lasry and Edens are praised for their ownership when much of it is based on how they blackmailed taxpayers to get them to fund a new arena.

Kawhi is on the same deal he was on with the Spurs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2019, 07:30:28 AM
Kawhi is on the same deal he was on with the Spurs.

Yeah no kidding. It’s about his next deal.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 17, 2019, 08:10:50 AM
Yeah no kidding. It’s about his next deal.

He was a Finals MVP at 22 years old.  He finished 3rd in NBA MVP voting in the last year he actually played with the Spurs.  He was the head and shoulders star of a team that was up 20 in Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals before Zaza stepped under his foot and he missed the rest of the series against the GSW.  You really think he was going to be anything other than a max contract player this offseason had he continued playing with the Spurs?  I, for one, do not.  If anything, he gave up money by not being eligible as a super max player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Of course you are assuming he wants to play for the Spurs.  Which he didn't seem to want to any longer for whatever reason.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 17, 2019, 08:48:49 AM
Of course you are assuming he wants to play for the Spurs.  Which he didn't seem to want to any longer for whatever reason.

Then he should've considered that before signing a 5 year contract with the Spurs.  He has only himself to blame for that.  He could've signed a 1 year qualifying offer when his rookie contract was up and been an unrestricted free agent and free to go to LA or wherever else he wanted to.

The guy had an injury that his own teammates said they had and came back from in 2 weeks and Kawhi sat out an entire season.  He then threatened to sit out an entire season after that if he did not get traded for no reason other than he didn't want to play for one of the best basketball coaches in the history of the sport.  The guy should get backlash from that, but rarely seemed to.  Comparing it to an owner of a team saying the team needs to get a new stadium is silly.  The owner bought the franchise with the contingency that a new stadium would be built.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2019, 09:03:42 AM
The owner bought the franchise with the contingency that a new stadium would be built.


What?  No he didn't.  The Bucks were purchased in early 2014 and the new arena financing wasn't approved until the Summer and Fall of 2015.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 17, 2019, 09:30:19 AM

What?  No he didn't.  The Bucks were purchased in early 2014 and the new arena financing wasn't approved until the Summer and Fall of 2015.

Yes, they did.  The Bucks were sold to these owners because they agreed to keep the franchise in Milwaukee.  And the owners agreed to keep the franchise in Milwaukee only if a new arena was built.  If a new arena wasn't built (or financing agreed upon, I can't remember which) by a certain date then they had the right to sell the franchise back for a certain profit.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2019, 09:41:18 AM
Gotcha.  I had forgot about that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on June 20, 2019, 10:54:13 AM
What ya'll think about the Bucks selling their first rounder to Detroit to get rid of Snell's contract? I thought it was interesting they only save $4M this year, and the real savings is just getting out of his $12M player option for 2020-2021.  I think late first rounders tend to be the cost of doing business to get out of these overpriced midlevel contracts, but a little more immediate salary relief to go with it would have been nice.

Also, is this officially the end of this run of the Celtics? Whereas a guy like Morey sees all of his contracts as assets and liabilities, and never seems to lose an asset for free, Ainge is going to watch Kyrie and Horford walk, and are now left with just a package of middling picks they probably can't combine to move up even a handful of spots.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 11:13:28 AM
What ya'll think about the Bucks selling their first rounder to Detroit to get rid of Snell's contract? I thought it was interesting they only save $4M this year, and the real savings is just getting out of his $12M player option for 2020-2021.  I think late first rounders tend to be the cost of doing business to get out of these overpriced midlevel contracts, but a little more immediate salary relief to go with it would have been nice.

Also, is this officially the end of this run of the Celtics? Whereas a guy like Morey sees all of his contracts as assets and liabilities, and never seems to lose an asset for free, Ainge is going to watch Kyrie and Horford walk, and are now left with just a package of middling picks they probably can't combine to move up even a handful of spots.

Any savings they can get for Snell is a bonus.  He's never going to be a 6-7th man on a contending team.  His contract is atrocious.

I think the Celtics were done when they couldn't move all those assets to truly make a difference.  The Tatum-Fultz trade was a good bit of business, but otherwise he really just held his cards until they were worthless.  I think he was the victim of tampering in the AD scenario, but otherwise, he is the only one to blame for a surplus of assets and nothing happening.  Horford saw the writing on the wall and decided he needed to cash in or look for one more chance with a contender.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on June 20, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
What ya'll think about the Bucks selling their first rounder to Detroit to get rid of Snell's contract? I thought it was interesting they only save $4M this year, and the real savings is just getting out of his $12M player option for 2020-2021.  I think late first rounders tend to be the cost of doing business to get out of these overpriced midlevel contracts, but a little more immediate salary relief to go with it would have been nice.

They can stretch Leuer over 3 years to free up $6.5M more. Or flip his expiring in another deal.

I'm in no hurry to deal Ersan at this point. He plays his role well and is on a reasonable deal.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 20, 2019, 11:42:24 AM
They can stretch Leuer over 3 years to free up $6.5M more. Or flip his expiring in another deal.

I'm in no hurry to deal Ersan at this point. He plays his role well and is on a reasonable deal.

This is where I'm at.  For $7M/year, I want Ersan around.  I think he was a big loss for Philly.  The Bucks have more shooting to handle that loss, but I still don't think you find his value for $7M in the NBA.  He was playing outstanding before he broke his nose and missed some time this season, and was okay down the stretch of the season.

I don't understand why they picked up the last year of DJ Wilson's deal.  I know it's not some huge amount, and I know he's shown more than I ever thought he would, but he still will never play in the Playoffs for the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lazar's Headband on June 20, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
The Celtics go into rebuild mode, with Tatum a nice starting point.  Now they have to tank and hope to earn high draft picks to surround Tatum with talent.

The Bucks really need to stop overpaying role players.  Delly, Henson, Snell, etc.  These contracts become liabilities and they have to part with assets to correct the mistake.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on June 20, 2019, 05:19:02 PM
 Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Minnesota has traded No. 11 and Dario Saric to Phoenix for the No. 6 pick in the draft, league source tells ESPN.

Minnesota wants a point guard, perhaps?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on June 20, 2019, 05:19:32 PM
 Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Atlanta has acquired New Orleans No. 4 pick in the draft for No. 8 and 17 and 35, league sources tell ESPN. Pelicans are sending Solomon Hill, No. 57 pick and a future second-round pick.

Atlanta moving up for Deandre Hunter.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 06:45:06 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Atlanta has acquired New Orleans No. 4 pick in the draft for No. 8 and 17 and 35, league sources tell ESPN. Pelicans are sending Solomon Hill, No. 57 pick and a future second-round pick.

Atlanta moving up for Deandre Hunter.

David Griffin DEALING. The list of picks and assets he’s acquired in this trade is remarkable. Cam Reddish at 8 and someone like Brandon Clarke at 17 would look real nice.

Also, Zion is incredibly likeable. The genuine tears and emotion in that interview were really endearing. What a way to transition from AD
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
So glad Woj didn't recruit that POS Herro. Who needs a lottery pick shooting guard? Miami sure got uck fayed, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 20, 2019, 08:12:43 PM
Wojo recruited Herro.  He just read the tea leaves early.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2019, 08:16:31 PM
Sammie and Joey didn't wanna share toys in da sandbox, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on June 20, 2019, 09:10:44 PM
According to you, Saint Sam and Saint Joey.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 20, 2019, 09:21:46 PM
According to you, Saint Sam and Saint Joey.

According to you, Benedict Arnold and Bo Bergdahl.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 20, 2019, 10:26:33 PM
I sat right next to Wojo and Nelson when Herro and his Whitnall team were playing Brown Deer before Herro committed to UW. I feel fairly confident they were not there to recruit anyone other than Herro from those two teams, and I feel fairly confident they weren’t just going to watch a kid they were not recruiting. He committed to UW early. And when he decommitted he was not going anywhere but a blue blood program after blowing up at Team USA camp. MU was never an option for him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 20, 2019, 11:36:19 PM
Heading to bed, only 1 Big East player picked, Eric Paschall from Nova in the 2nd round. All three early entries (Krampelj, Ponds, Simon) still on the board with 2 picks left.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: tower912 on June 21, 2019, 05:18:13 AM
According to you, Benedict Arnold and Bo Bergdahl.

If the letter story is true.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 21, 2019, 08:09:47 AM
I sat right next to Wojo and Nelson when Herro and his Whitnall team were playing Brown Deer before Herro committed to UW. I feel fairly confident they were not there to recruit anyone other than Herro from those two teams, and I feel fairly confident they weren’t just going to watch a kid they were not recruiting. He committed to UW early. And when he decommitted he was not going anywhere but a blue blood program after blowing up at Team USA camp. MU was never an option for him.



I just posted this on the Hanging topic on this:

https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2017/10/17/16492878/tyler-herro-decommits-wisconsin-basketball-recruiting

"When he committed to Wisconsin last year, he did so while holding offers from “dream school” Arizona and Marquette, as well as Creighton, Florida, Indiana, Iowa State, Purdue, Xavier, and others."


https://marquettewire.org/3953484/sports/recruiting-herro-picks-wisconsin-over-mu-others/

"For the second time in 34 days, head basketball coach Steve Wojciechowski and his staff came up short on a highly-touted recruit in Milwaukee County.  This time Tyler Herro, a 2018 guard and resident of Greenfield, Wisconsin, opted to attend Wisconsin."


https://usatodayhss.com/2017/tyler-herro-decommits-from-wisconsin

"He initially chose UW over Arizona, Florida, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, Marquette and several other schools."


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21057553/tyler-herro-no-27-espn-100-decommits-wisconsin-badgers

"Prior to his commitment, Herro had a long list of schools involved in his recruitment, including Marquette, DePaul, Arizona, Oregon and Arizona State."


http://snotapwi.com/tyler-herro-chooses-wisconsin-over-marquette/

"Tyler Herro, a 6’4 guard from Whitnall High School, committed to Wisconsin over Marquette and countless other schools yesterday."


So can we be done with the duma$$ narrative that Wojo didn't recruit Tyler Herro?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on June 21, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
...
So can we be done with the duma$$ narrative that Wojo didn't recruit Tyler Herro?

Thanks for showing the work, FBM. If Wojo had devoted more time to recruiting Herro, then we'd hear about how he doesn't know how to prioritize and wasted his time and resources for a guy he'd never get. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  And regardless of one's position on Wojo, he's earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to in-state blue chippers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 21, 2019, 09:18:02 AM
So glad Woj didn't recruit that POS Herro. Who needs a lottery pick shooting guard? Miami sure got uck fayed, hey?

?????   He was offered, he was never coming to MU.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 21, 2019, 09:18:31 AM
According to you, Benedict Arnold and Bo Bergdahl.

Bo is a hero to some people in this country.....
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
Sammie and Joey didn't wanna share toys in da sandbox, aina?

You're a hoot, Doc.

That Wojo didn't appease the Hausers to keep them at MU is on Wojo.

That Wojo did appease the Hausers regarding Herro is also on Wojo.

When a recruit signs elsewhere, you all but celebrate a Wojo miss.

When he lands good recruits, it's either crickets or some veiled rip.

At least you're consistent, oon'a?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TSmith34 on June 21, 2019, 05:33:54 PM
Bo is a hero to some people in this country.....
Hey mods, is the "next political post earns a ban" still in place?  Banny McBannerson is hoping this one gets him a set of steak knives.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2019, 05:59:44 PM
Hey mods, is the "next political post earns a ban" still in place?  Banny McBannerson is hoping this one gets him a set of steak knives.

Everyone on Scoop knows I am loathe to defend Chico ever, but....

I don’t think we ban people for bad puns.

I agree with most of your posts, TSmith, but I think you took this a bit too seriously.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2019, 06:11:13 PM
Everyone on Scoop knows I am loathe to defend Chico ever, but....

I don’t think we ban people for bad puns.

I agree with most of your posts, TSmith, but I think you took this a bit too seriously.

While I would not favor a ban, what Cheeks wrote was not a play on words (a pun) but an opinion - that some in this country consider Bo Bergdahl a hero (insinuating, I guess, that Bo is a hero to some on the left). I would guess very few of any political persuasion believe this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: TSmith34 on June 21, 2019, 06:22:44 PM
Everyone on Scoop knows I am loathe to defend Chico ever, but....

I don’t think we ban people for bad puns.

I agree with most of your posts, TSmith, but I think you took this a bit too seriously.
Jockey, I believe the same as Lenny -- it is just another of Chicos' colossally stupid right-wing slurs.  It was not a play on Bo Ryan.  He is quite literally unable stop himself from repeating idiotic things like this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2019, 07:04:44 PM
It was absolutely political, and not the first political post he has had since the "next political talk gets a ban" warning.

I guess his rabbit's foot is working well for him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
While I would not favor a ban, what Cheeks wrote was not a play on words (a pun) but an opinion - that some in this country consider Bo Bergdahl a hero (insinuating, I guess, that Bo is a hero to some on the left). I would guess very few of any political persuasion believe this.

Let me correct myself, Lenny and Mike.

I mixed up two different threads. I was reading the other thread involving Herro and UW - and, skimming too quickly, took it as a pun about Bo Ryan and Tyler Herro.

It was my mistake, Chico should be banned, and I was an idiot for even entertaining the idea of defending him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 21, 2019, 08:53:51 PM
Hey mods, is the "next political post earns a ban" still in place?  Banny McBannerson is hoping this one gets him a set of steak knives.

How is that a political post?  It isn't.  What I stated was true, he is a hero to some people in this country.  You disagree, that's fine and your right....but what I said was true.  His father, some of his fellow soldiers, and some members of his hometown call him a hero. As do many other people.  That was my statement, it is factually true and you are reading something that isn't there. Nothing about ideology, politics, etc, and no insinuation either.  I simply said he is a hero to some people in this country. FACT.

As an example:

"To those of us in Hailey, he is certainly a hero," said Sue Martin,  Sgt Bergdahl's former boss the owner of Zaney's River Street Coffee House


If my post was political, then wouldn't Lenny's be political from the start for bringing this man's name up in the first place? Personally, I say no.  Also, didn't someone yesterday bring up a candidate's name in the UCONN to Big East thread  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58833.msg1139723#msg1139723 ?   I don't recall you guys saying a single word about their comments, because you didn't. 

Stop reading into things that aren't there.  Let's stick to truthful posts based on facts...as I did.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 22, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
How is that a political post?  It isn't.  What I stated was true, he is a hero to some people in this country.  You disagree, that's fine and your right....but what I said was true.  His father, some of his fellow soldiers, and some members of his hometown call him a hero. As do many other people.  That was my statement, it is factually true and you are reading something that isn't there. Nothing about ideology, politics, etc, and no insinuation either.  I simply said he is a hero to some people in this country. FACT.

As an example:

"To those of us in Hailey, he is certainly a hero," said Sue Martin,  Sgt Bergdahl's former boss the owner of Zaney's River Street Coffee House


If my post was political, then wouldn't Lenny's be political from the start for bringing this man's name up in the first place? Personally, I say no.  Also, didn't someone yesterday bring up a candidate's name in the UCONN to Big East thread  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58833.msg1139723#msg1139723 ?   I don't recall you guys saying a single word about their comments, because you didn't. 

Stop reading into things that aren't there.  Let's stick to truthful posts based on facts...as I did.

So all of your political posts are not factual? They are filled with lies? Good to know!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 22, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
So all of your political posts are not factual? They are filled with lies? Good to know!

My post wasn’t politicL....but seeing the three or four of you that reacted and saw it that way makes me feel group think is alive and well...you have a lot in common.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on June 22, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
Hey mods, is the "next political post earns a ban" still in place?

Well, I mean, since it was my rule early in the week, yes it's still in place.  I then took a few day Scoopcation (totally voluntary - others could learn!).  In the meantime SoCal locked the "Here comes the judge" thread, and I still own one of the magical ban-hammers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 22, 2019, 01:43:36 PM
So who is staying in Toronto and who is going to the Lakers?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Herman Cain on June 24, 2019, 10:18:14 PM
Giannis wins MVP

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jesmu84 on June 25, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/if-you-watched-giannis-mvp-speech-and-video-theres-a-solid-chance-you-cried-your-eyes-out
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on June 25, 2019, 06:59:52 PM
Ryan Hollins sucks

https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1143590726707687424?s=19 (https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1143590726707687424?s=19)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on June 25, 2019, 11:14:12 PM
Ryan Hollins sucks

https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1143590726707687424?s=19 (https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1143590726707687424?s=19)

That’s not even my favorite, this is
Alex Murphy (@amurph164) Tweeted:
@natemarzion But wait, THERE’S MORE! https://t.co/gGt4zdUC73

“Ryan Hollis, 14 seconds played...load management”
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 29, 2019, 09:18:22 AM
Great piece on HBO Real Sports about Don Nelson.

A true stoner.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 29, 2019, 09:21:14 AM
Reports are that the Hornets are "only" willing to offer Kemba $170 million over 5 years, which is "only" $30 million more than the Lakers, Celtics and Mavs could offer him over 4 years. Speculation is that Kemba, who has said multiple times that he wants to stay in Charlotte and would take "a little less money" to do so, will leave.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on June 29, 2019, 04:23:19 PM
Reports are that the Hornets are "only" willing to offer Kemba $170 million over 5 years, which is "only" $30 million more than the Lakers, Celtics and Mavs could offer him over 4 years. Speculation is that Kemba, who has said multiple times that he wants to stay in Charlotte and would take "a little less money" to do so, will leave.

Looks like he’s going to Boston. The Celt’s will be a better team with Kemba instead of Irving. Look for Brown and Tatum to flourish alongside Kemba.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on June 29, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
Looks like he’s going to Boston. The Celt’s will be a better team with Kemba instead of Irving. Look for Brown and Tatum to flourish alongside Kemba.

If I'm Horford, I'm opting back into that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 29, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
Looks like he’s going to Boston. The Celt’s will be a better team with Kemba instead of Irving. Look for Brown and Tatum to flourish alongside Kemba.

Yep on all of that.

Kemba truly is a team-oriented player who wants to make those around him better. He shot more the last couple of years because he had to (and that only after working tirelessly to become a reliable 3-point threat), but he was not a ball-hog.

Kemba is a winner. He didn't have enough help to win in Charlotte, but he is a winner, and he will win big-time in Boston.

I'd take him over Kyrie without hesitation; heck, the Celtics were better without Kyrie and they didn't even have a player like Kemba to replace him.

I'm gonna miss him in Charlotte, but I understand why they aren't offering him the max -- they would be in salary-cap hell, and would not win any more than they have been -- and I'm genuinely happy for him that he'll have a chance to be on a very good team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on June 30, 2019, 03:45:14 PM
Splash Mountain back with the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on June 30, 2019, 04:15:18 PM
Splash Mountain back with the Bucks.

Four years, $52M is a lot of Brook Lopez. He was awesome, but I'll look to others on here that are smarter on the cap for what this means for the Bucks flexibility. I assume this means that only one of Middleton and Brogdon are staying (likely Middleton because of the unique way he would count against the cap?) and little to no flexibility to add pieces for the rest of Giannis's contract?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on June 30, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
Middleton also coming back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 30, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
That Middleton situation was damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Good for him getting a truckload of cash, but years 4/5 of that deal...ugh.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on June 30, 2019, 05:44:13 PM
Malcolm Brogdon has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal with Indiana.

Indiana is trading a first-round and two future second round picks to the Milwaukee for Malcolm Brogdon.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
Malcolm Brogdon has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal with Indiana.

Indiana is trading a first-round and two future second round picks to the Milwaukee for Malcolm Brogdon.

bad deal!!!  we needed to keep malcolm!!!  love the guy!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
and the bucks had no draft picks.  connaughton must be feeling a little better and that's ok.  the guy is energy + and adds a lot coming off the bench. 

need to get better shooting out of bledsoe. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Wow ... those are some huge contracts.

Timing matters on these things. Nic Batum became a free agent right after he had the best year of his career and helped the Hornets to a 48-win season. They pretty much had to sign him ... but he couldn't live up to the contract and it's a major albatross for the organization.

In baseball, similar happened with Joe Mauer; he had several outstanding years, capped by his career year right as his contract expired. The Twins HAD to keep their home-town hero ... and he spent the next 8 years as an outrageously overpaid, injury-prone slap-hitter who couldn't even play catcher any more.

It happens, so I hope it doesn't happen to the Bucks with Lopez and Middleton.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 30, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
It's amazing how many guys have career years the last year of their contracts....eh?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on June 30, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
Larry Bird, Steph Curry, Reggie Miller, KD, Steve Nash, Dirk, Mark Price, and Malcolm Brogdon. That's the list of players to ever go 50/40/90. And the Bucks had a chance to keep one of them on their team who was the 2nd best player in the Playoffs for an ECF team for $21M/season while we're willing to pay Middleton $35.6M/season.

If there was ever a time for the Bucks to go big time it was this year. You come off an ECF, the Nets are a year away from being the best team in the East, Giannis is a year away from being eligible to sign a supermax extension. You run it back, win the East, and get Giannis to sign long term. Instead we want to stay out of the tax and show Giannis how small time we are.

There will be more moves made but I don’t see anyone coming in as good as Brogdon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: cheebs09 on June 30, 2019, 07:40:54 PM
I think the foot issues probably contributed to the Bucks not wanting to pay that contract.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
Didant seam ta concern daPacers, doe, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUfan12 on June 30, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
Didant seam ta concern daPacers, doe, aina?

Not too surprised after Bogdanovic went to Utah. They had cash to spend and needed a shooter next to Oladipo.

That said, the Bucks got a great deal. Three picks and you don't have to pay Brogdon to miss 25 games per year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
Sew far, Bucks didant address der short comin's orr get bedder. Just like da Brew Crew two, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on June 30, 2019, 09:02:23 PM
Hornets just gave nearly $20M a year to a PG who averaged 10 pts and 3 assists the last 2 years.

Rozier did have a great playoff run in 2018, though. Maybe that's who he really is (he said, hopefully).
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2019, 09:07:16 PM
Fookin' owned a dude hoo da Bucks gave $15+ Bones/yr ta. Sew, witch teem is da fool, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 30, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
Hornets just gave nearly $20M a year to a PG who averaged 10 pts and 3 assists the last 2 years.

Rozier did have a great playoff run in 2018, though. Maybe that's who he really is (he said, hopefully).

Michael Jordan....what an actor...like Barney Rubble.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Cheeks on June 30, 2019, 09:13:39 PM
Not too surprised after Bogdanovic went to Utah. They had cash to spend and needed a shooter next to Oladipo.

That said, the Bucks got a great deal. Three picks and you don't have to pay Brogdon to miss 25 games per year.

Oladipo was one of those cats not a 4 or 5 star recruit that made it to the big time, hyeI have a toothachea?  Those rankings out of high school sometimes are a wee bit off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on June 30, 2019, 09:28:34 PM
Hill coming back to the bucks
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on June 30, 2019, 11:08:42 PM
And both Lopezes.

May I just say that the NBA cap rules are f'ing great?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on June 30, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
I got the chance to hang out with Robin Lopez a couple times that last two years. He is an awesome dude, absolutely down to earth, great guy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 01, 2019, 04:50:57 AM
Yeah I don’t think the Bucks got any better. But I’m not sure what they could have done. Unless another team wanted to sign and trade Middleton, and the Bucks could have gotten someone else in the process, I don’t know what their options were.

Might as well roll with what you have and see what pieces you can add.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on July 01, 2019, 05:57:40 AM
I like what the Pacers have done. Jeremy Lamb is a good (not great, but good) NBA player, and they got him cheap. They also got Brogdon to pair with Oladipo to form one of the best (if not the best) all-around backcourts in the NBA. They will be set at those 3 spots for years.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 01, 2019, 06:50:55 AM
Read this morning that the Bucks are going to have to get creative just to get Hill in with the cap restrictions likely to include delaying the inking of the Middleton deal and a waive/stretch of Leuer.

I sure like Brogdon and will miss him but a first and two seconds reloads some ammo.  Way better than having some bluff called.  And remember people, in 12 months Giannis is getting $253 large so every single decision needs to be made in such a way as to maximize his talent.  Therein lies the easy Lopez decision, an obvious choice when compared to Brogdon.

One more thing. John Horst knows more than all of us combined.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on July 01, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
LOVE Wes for the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 01, 2019, 03:21:50 PM
Wes Matthews baby!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Lazar's Headband on July 01, 2019, 03:25:35 PM
LOVE Wes for the Bucks.

Awesome!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on July 01, 2019, 06:05:07 PM
Wes Matthews baby!!!!!

Love the fit. Thought they should have signed him for down the stretch last year. Could be solid in limited minutes.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 01, 2019, 06:51:09 PM
Love the fit. Thought they should have signed him for down the stretch last year. Could be solid in limited minutes.

Agreed.  He's a solid spot up shooter and good defender.  He'll provide great leadership.  And he'll be happy to either start of come off the bench.  Coming home in hopes of a ring.  What's not to like?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 01, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
hey doc, now your lil guy kevon can afford that grill you've been dying to make ever since your senior year in the old school.  how many units were those worth?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27099899/looney-return-warriors-3-year-15m-deal
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 02, 2019, 04:02:29 AM
Happy for #5. Absolutely has earned it and loves CA. I happy when dreams come true.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on July 06, 2019, 06:39:04 AM
Jerry West, you old dog.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on July 06, 2019, 09:26:21 AM
Jerry West, you old dog.

Yep. Pretty amazing.

Related:

Glenn Rivers and I went to MU at the same time and had several classes together, and I later got to know him professionally. A good guy and a fine coach. However ...

He had some talented Clippers teams that never did squat in the playoffs, and he is basically living off his one title with a loaded Celtics team that was kind of the trendsetter for the superteams that have followed. He has the makings of a superteam again, and with the Warriors unlikely to be championship-quality next season, he will be one of the favorites to win it all.

It will be interesting to see if he and his team can live up to the hype. With the Hornets about to be a 25-win team (at best), I am adopting the Clips as my NBA team to root for in 2019-20.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 07, 2019, 07:08:46 PM
bucks sign giannis older bro, the greek streak, to a 2 year deal $3 million veterans minimum-me thinks it's a little IN-surance to re-sign giannis, eyn'a?

https://fox6now.com/2019/07/07/sources-milwaukee-bucks-signing-giannis-older-brother-thanasis-to-2-year-contract/
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on July 07, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
bucks sign giannis older bro, the greek streak, to a 2 year deal $3 million veterans minimum-me thinks it's a little IN-surance to re-sign giannis, eyn'a?

https://fox6now.com/2019/07/07/sources-milwaukee-bucks-signing-giannis-older-brother-thanasis-to-2-year-contract/

Feels unnecessary and a guy that should probably never see the floor
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 08, 2019, 07:34:43 AM
Feels unnecessary and a guy that should probably never see the floor

Understand that the Bucks are only doing minimum wage deals for their final roster spots.  They already have their young developmental guys (Wilson, Brown, DiVincenzo) in the fold.  The last 'real' signing was Matthews, coming home on the cheap looking to get a ring.  He'll contribute significantly for next to nothing.

The alternative was probably Ners...... or maybe Henry Ellenson!

Small price to pay given Giannis' love for his family and genuine appreciation for what the organization has done for him through the years.  Increases the chances he'll be a lifer so why not?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on July 08, 2019, 08:43:11 AM
Understand that the Bucks are only doing minimum wage deals for their final roster spots...
Small price to pay given Giannis' love for his family and genuine appreciation for what the organization has done for him through the years.  Increases the chances he'll be a lifer so why not?

Yup. Hard to feel more confident about Giannis resigning after this move, but if it gains even a little goodwill with him, its a more valuable use of that roster spot than anything else they were going to do with it.  Going to be an interesting locker room with two sets of brothers roaming around.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on July 08, 2019, 08:43:58 AM
Understand that the Bucks are only doing minimum wage deals for their final roster spots.  They already have their young developmental guys (Wilson, Brown, DiVincenzo) in the fold.  The last 'real' signing was Matthews, coming home on the cheap looking to get a ring.  He'll contribute significantly for next to nothing.

The alternative was probably Ners...... or maybe Henry Ellenson!

Small price to pay given Giannis' love for his family and genuine appreciation for what the organization has done for him through the years.  Increases the chances he'll be a lifer so why not?

They should hire 9-9-9 as the Antetokounmpo Whisperer!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 08, 2019, 08:54:28 AM
Yup. Hard to feel more confident about Giannis resigning after this move, but if it gains even a little goodwill with him, its a more valuable use of that roster spot than anything else they were going to do with it.  Going to be an interesting locker room with two sets of brothers roaming around.

I think the locker room is going to be great.  The Lopez bros are reportedly wonderful guys (despite our bad blue/gold memories) and I can't envision 'Streak' being any different than his humble younger brother.  Neither Robin nor Thanasis will be complainers.  If one thinks about it, the Bucks are really without any 'problem' guys with everyone fulfilling their role.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Herman Cain on July 08, 2019, 10:57:54 AM
I love this signing by the Bucks. Very smart move. Keeps Giannis and family happy. Now MU should go ahead and offer baby brother Alex....:)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on July 11, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
Yep. Pretty amazing.

Related:

Glenn Rivers and I went to MU at the same time and had several classes together, and I later got to know him professionally. A good guy and a fine coach. However ...

He had some talented Clippers teams that never did squat in the playoffs, and he is basically living off his one title with a loaded Celtics team that was kind of the trendsetter for the superteams that have followed. He has the makings of a superteam again, and with the Warriors unlikely to be championship-quality next season, he will be one of the favorites to win it all.

It will be interesting to see if he and his team can live up to the hype. With the Hornets about to be a 25-win team (at best), I am adopting the Clips as my NBA team to root for in 2019-20.

To be fair, he never suffered a true upset in the playoffs with the Clips.  First two years he lost in the second round to the 2 seed as a 3 seed and then the next two years he lost as a 4 to the 5.  I however also find it curious that each of those 4 teams featured Chris Paul, who has no history of playoff success and seems to be boogeyman on teams looking to make deep runs.  But I would agree people expected more.

Its interesting, Rivers got shaded so much for being overrated after his Celtics title and time in LA that I think he's actually back to being quite underrated.  I think he's a fantastic coach, but a very poor front office/basketball ops guy.  Now they have Lawrence Frank and Jerry West making moves, and he's back to pure coaching, I think they are going to be THE force.  Heck, what he got out of that team this year as cannon fodder for the Warriors in the first round was incredible.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Pakuni on July 11, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
Westbrook to the Rockets. Can't imagine that possibly going sideways.

OKC collecting all the first round picks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on July 11, 2019, 07:48:28 PM
Westbrook to the Rockets. Can't imagine that possibly going sideways.

OKC collecting all the first round picks.

Rockets are gonna be a hot mess. Russ and Harden fighting each other for rebounds and screaming at each other will be hilarious.

Chris Paul gonna fade off into oblivion with his albatross of a contract
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on July 11, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
Russ only yells at his teammates when teammates don’t take a shot that would get him a 10th assist for a triple double.

CP3 yells at teammates no matter what they’re doing. He’d yell at someone to run to the right and when they start running to the right he’d start yelling at them for running to the right. I can’t remember a more petty (not so) passive aggressive player in sports towards his own teammates.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on July 11, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
Some upcoming draft is just going to be OKC emailing Adam Silver saying “we’ll take these 60 guys, alphabetical order is fine”.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on July 11, 2019, 08:33:36 PM
Rockets are gonna be a hot mess. Russ and Harden fighting each other for rebounds and screaming at each other will be hilarious.



Disagree 100%.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on July 11, 2019, 11:00:25 PM
Not sure if it will be a hot mess or a huge success. Most likely something in between.

One thing it will be is interesting.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: forgetful on July 11, 2019, 11:05:46 PM
Not sure if it will be a hot mess or a huge success. Most likely something in between.

One thing it will be is interesting.

Was just talking to a bunch of people tonight when this trade went down, including several Rockets fans. This was the general consensus.

Also, CP3 will be traded again, he is not staying in OKC.

How many first round picks will OKC end up with before next season starts.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUDish on July 11, 2019, 11:28:11 PM
What’s funny is the Thunder could be sneaky good this year, even in the West.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on July 11, 2019, 11:30:45 PM
You have to think that you can win a title immediately to be willing to take on Chris Paul's contract.

He's 34, he gets paid $40M a year, he's been battling injuries, and he clearly is on the decline.

Not a lot of teams will be willing and/or able to even consider CP3 ... and I haven't even mentioned that he supposedly not the greatest teammate.

Despite all of that, I wouldn't doubt it if OKC finds a taker.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on July 12, 2019, 12:02:17 AM
I saw some speculation that it might actually cost OKC some of that draft capital to find a taker for CP3 if they want to deal him. As a fan of this insanity, I hope they don't end up trading any picks for salary relief.  I'm looking forward to watching Presti try to package and kick these picks down the road so he never has to actually use them, and he can try to parlay them into stars.  I think being an NBA GM with an embarrassment of draft riches might be the most stressful job in the world. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: JWags85 on July 12, 2019, 06:20:29 AM
Disagree 100%.

How? Russ has never been unselfish enough to tone down anything for the sake of the team. There would be games where Paul George was going supernova and Russ would still be jacking terrible shots to thwart comebacks or momentum. I just can’t see him coexisting with Harden. Also, he’s not a good outside shooter at all, which is not a fit for that Houston offense.

I think being an NBA GM with an embarrassment of draft riches might be the most stressful job in the world.

What do you mean? It’s easy, Danny Ainge parlayed all those picks into a successful powerhouse team...oh wait
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: baumu on July 12, 2019, 07:56:46 AM
You have to think that you can win a title immediately to be willing to take on Chris Paul's contract.

He's 34, he gets paid $40M a year, he's been battling injuries, and he clearly is on the decline.

Not a lot of teams will be willing and/or able to even consider CP3 ... and I haven't even mentioned that he supposedly not the greatest teammate.

Scott Perry is listening
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 12, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
It looks as though CP3 is interested in Miami to team up with JFB. I think Houston wanted a player in return because they aren't in tank mode yet with Harden, so this might work out positively for all three teams from their respective points of view.

Miami gets Paul.  Houston get's a reasonable replacement for Paul.  OKC gets draft picks.

Now in reality this is a high risk move for Houston.  They have to hope that Harden and Westbook can gel because they have mortgaged their future on it.  This might be a decent move for Miami because the East is so much weaker.  Does this make them one of the top four in the conference?  They certainly would be in the discussion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Retire0 on July 12, 2019, 08:51:17 AM
It looks as though CP3 is interested in Miami to team up with JFB. I think Houston wanted a player in return because they aren't in tank mode yet with Harden, so this might work out positively for all three teams from their respective points of view.

Miami gets Paul.  Houston get's a reasonable replacement for Paul.  OKC gets draft picks.

Now in reality this is a high risk move for Houston.  They have to hope that Harden and Westbook can gel because they have mortgaged their future on it.  This might be a decent move for Miami because the East is so much weaker.  Does this make them one of the top four in the conference?  They certainly would be in the discussion.

CP3 with JFB is blood in the water.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on July 15, 2019, 12:04:08 PM
::puts on Bucks hat. walks into bathroom and turns off lights. peeks head back out bathroom door and looks both ways to make sure no one is around. walks back into dark bathroom and closes door. stands in front of mirror, grinning mischievously::

[whispering] "JR Smith. JR Smith. JR Smith."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 19, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
Sew, due da Bucks now sign Kostas just ta appease Giannis, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Herman Cain on July 19, 2019, 09:33:54 PM
Sew, due da Bucks now sign Kostas just ta appease Giannis, hey?
Better if they gave a big contribution to MU and we sign up Alex to keep him here.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on July 20, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
Korver to the Bucks. Outstanding.

Wouldn’t even hate JR coming in now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on July 20, 2019, 11:26:51 AM
Korver to the Bucks. Outstanding.

Wouldn’t even hate JR coming in now.

At 38, hopefully his minutes will be limited to keep him fresh.

Not expecting too much, but he will get a lot of open looks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 20, 2019, 11:55:03 AM
I’m pretty pumped about Korver
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 20, 2019, 12:12:07 PM
At 38, hopefully his minutes will be limited to keep him fresh.

Not expecting too much, but he will get a lot of open looks.

I’m pretty sure he’ll be a situational shooter and that’s about it. He will be fresh.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 21, 2019, 09:04:05 AM
A great 14th man signing.  Limited minutes, one job.

Maybe 2 jobs.  He had a lot to do with LeBron's improved 3.  Giannis is his last pupil while still wearing the jersey.

Championship pedigree.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Herman Cain on July 22, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Lakers pick up Kostas.
https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-antetokounmpo-kostas-giannis-free-agency-225103921.html
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: Jockey on July 22, 2019, 12:15:14 PM
Lakers pick up Kostas.
https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-antetokounmpo-kostas-giannis-free-agency-225103921.html

Who cares. He still is not good enough to come to MU.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on July 22, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
Lakers pick up Kostas.
https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-antetokounmpo-kostas-giannis-free-agency-225103921.html

There is exactly one reason they did this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: jsglow on July 22, 2019, 01:46:13 PM
There is exactly one reason they did this.

And is has approximately zero chance of working.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MUBurrow on July 22, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
Bucks better hurry up and return fire by signing Alexis and Francis too. Would hate to not re-sign Giannis because you left some Antetokounmpos on the table.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 08, 2019, 02:00:44 PM
Rich Paul on Anthony Davis:

“I think he’s one of the better passing big men in our game. In my opinion, this is what makes him different from Giannis [Antetokounmpo].

“Like, if you put Anthony Davis on that Bucks team last year, they’d be playing in the Finals. He knows how to make guys better.”

Anthony Davis career assists: 982
Giannis Antetokounmpo assists in the last 3 seasons: 1,219

🤔
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: BLM on October 08, 2019, 02:13:31 PM
https://www.en24.news/2019/10/bucks-troll-lakers-after-pre-season-win.html
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: MU82 on October 08, 2019, 08:54:40 PM
Rich Paul on Anthony Davis:

“I think he’s one of the better passing big men in our game. In my opinion, this is what makes him different from Giannis [Antetokounmpo].

“Like, if you put Anthony Davis on that Bucks team last year, they’d be playing in the Finals. He knows how to make guys better.”

Anthony Davis career assists: 982
Giannis Antetokounmpo assists in the last 3 seasons: 1,219

🤔

Well, number of assists don't necessarily mean a guy is a better passer or not. I mean, Westbrook already has more assists in fewer years than Larry Bird did, and there isn't a soul in his or her right mind who would claim that Westbrook is a better passer than Bird was.

But I do get your point, wades. I think Freak is a pretty damn good passer.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 08, 2019, 09:04:14 PM
Well, number of assists don't necessarily mean a guy is a better passer or not. I mean, Westbrook already has more assists in fewer years than Larry Bird did, and there isn't a soul in his or her right mind who would claim that Westbrook is a better passer than Bird was.

But I do get your point, wades. I think Freak is a pretty damn good passer.

  didn't know they count as passes when they ricochet off the rim/backboard?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
Post by: GB Warrior on October 10, 2019, 08:21:00 AM
Wrap Giannis in bubble wrap and ship him to the regular season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BM1090 on October 10, 2019, 06:38:31 PM
Changed title to this season so we don't get a new thread. Season is right around the corner.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUBurrow on October 17, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Draymond Green dropping some non-China-related fire today - https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27863544/teams-deserve-more-blame-top-picks-pan-out (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27863544/teams-deserve-more-blame-top-picks-pan-out)

Draymond's at least 70% right, of course.  I think the culpability of the team for players that are busts also varies across sports somewhat.  MLB clubs are probably the least at fault for their draft busts, and as a guy who's favorite team is sporting Josh Rosen every other week, the NFL is absolutely the worst about its bad teams developing good talent. NBA is probably somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 17, 2019, 05:25:37 PM
Do bad teams fail to develop talent?  Or are they just bad at scouting talent which leads to poor draft choices?  Or are they bad at creating a supportive network where a player can develop both on and off the floor?

My guess is that it is all three to various degrees. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on October 21, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
Zion out 6-8 weeks after undergoing surgery to repair a torn meniscus.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/zion-williamson-injury-latest-pelicans-rookie-has-knee-surgery-expected-to-sit-out-6-8-weeks/?fbclid=IwAR36b1q_QP2ESwKWN21Vfts6Ue57j96747Gg8-9aHdf4pOF3Wb08GRISRBk

Not sure how well this bodes for him. He is a large man who plays a very violent style of basketball. His body will take a pounding nightly. His legs have to support a ton of weight and deal with lots of torque.

I hope he recovers fully, mostly for him and his future; he seems to get such joy out of playing basketball. Secondarily, though, if he is beset by injuries it also would be horrible for the NBA, as he is the most anticipated player to come along since LeBron. TNT and ESPN have a bunch of Pelicans games scheduled to air, and it ain't because of E'Twaun Moore.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: forgetful on October 21, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
Zion out 6-8 weeks after undergoing surgery to repair a torn meniscus.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/zion-williamson-injury-latest-pelicans-rookie-has-knee-surgery-expected-to-sit-out-6-8-weeks/?fbclid=IwAR36b1q_QP2ESwKWN21Vfts6Ue57j96747Gg8-9aHdf4pOF3Wb08GRISRBk

Not sure how well this bodes for him. He is a large man who plays a very violent style of basketball. His body will take a pounding nightly. His legs have to support a ton of weight and deal with lots of torque.

I hope he recovers fully, mostly for him and his future; he seems to get such joy out of playing basketball. Secondarily, though, if he is beset by injuries it also would be horrible for the NBA, as he is the most anticipated player to come along since LeBron. TNT and ESPN have a bunch of Pelicans games scheduled to air, and it ain't because of E'Twaun Moore.

You hit on a lot of points that I fear will make his time in the NBA very limited. I just don't see his body holding up. More size and power than his joints are meant to take.

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Post by: MU82 on October 21, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
You hit on a lot of points that I fear will make his time in the NBA very limited. I just don't see his body holding up. More size and power than his joints are meant to take.

To be fair, much of the same was said about Barkley. And he mostly avoided serious injuries to have a heck of a career. Maybe Zion will be a big-bodied freak like Sir Charles.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 22, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
You hit on a lot of points that I fear will make his time in the NBA very limited. I just don't see his body holding up. More size and power than his joints are meant to take.

"Very limited' is a stretch.  Larry Johnson was a similar build and athletic type of player and he played a decade. He had back issues, but medicine and training has come a long ways in 20 years.
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Post by: cheebs09 on October 22, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
"Very limited' is a stretch.  Larry Johnson was a similar build and athletic type of player and he played a decade. He had back issues, but medicine and training has come a long ways in 20 years.

That was the worry with Jabari. I think Zion is more proportional. Jabari is pretty top heavy.
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Post by: MU82 on October 22, 2019, 02:41:41 PM
"Very limited' is a stretch.  Larry Johnson was a similar build and athletic type of player and he played a decade. He had back issues, but medicine and training has come a long ways in 20 years.

LJ is a good comparison, probably at least as good as Barkley.

I hope you're right. I want to see Zion have a long career, both because I want good things for the young man and also because I like being entertained.
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Post by: jesmu84 on October 22, 2019, 05:28:33 PM
Zion 6'6 280
Charles 6'6 250
LJ 6'7 250
Lebron 6'8 250

Zion plays much more like Lebron than LJ or Charles.

IMO, he needs to drop 30-40 lbs. Quickly. Or play only in the post.
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Post by: MU82 on October 23, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
Zion 6'6 280
Charles 6'6 250
LJ 6'7 250
Lebron 6'8 250

Zion plays much more like Lebron than LJ or Charles.

IMO, he needs to drop 30-40 lbs. Quickly. Or play only in the post.

I'll generally agree with you that Zion's game is more similar to young LeBron's, although LBJ was (and still is) far more of a facilitator.

I do think you are misremembering a little bit how athletic both LJ and Charles were, though, especially their first few seasons. They did a lot of running-and-gunning, high-flying, slam-dunking hoopin'.

And Charles was said to be closer to 6-4. He also was legit fat his first couple seasons, living up to his "Round Mound of Rebound" nickname.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 23, 2019, 10:18:43 AM
Well the first new Battle for LA goes to the Clips.  Its the first game of the season, so you can't take too much from it, but nice to see the Clips pull a W out without PG.  Kawhi was booed, to the surprise of nobody cause even with a new look and excitement, the Clippers will never surpass the Lakers.

Granted its not the greatest sample, but I enjoyed the complaints already from the Lebron stans that he has no help.  Lebron was fine but didn't play great.  AD and Danny Green did a lot of the heavy lifting.  But acting, yet again, like he was putting the team on his back with a bunch of bums is hilarious.
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Post by: MU82 on October 23, 2019, 10:24:45 AM
Well the first new Battle for LA goes to the Clips.  Its the first game of the season, so you can't take too much from it, but nice to see the Clips pull a W out without PG.  Kawhi was booed, to the surprise of nobody cause even with a new look and excitement, the Clippers will never surpass the Lakers.

Granted its not the greatest sample, but I enjoyed the complaints already from the Lebron stans that he has no help.  Lebron was fine but didn't play great.  AD and Danny Green did a lot of the heavy lifting.  But acting, yet again, like he was putting the team on his back with a bunch of bums is hilarious.

The Clippers need their own place, and I believe they are building one (or at least trying to get one built) in Inglewood (ironically enough). It's bad enough that they will always be the red-haired stepchild in L.A., but playing in the same arena as the Lakers only makes it worse.

LeBron did have one incredible defensive sequence yesterday where he chased down someone (Lou Williams perhaps?) from behind to block a shot and then, seconds later, took a charge from Harrell. But he had serious trouble shooting -- even layups -- and had a bunch of turnovers. Not a great game.

I do think most observers consider this a pretty darn good supporting cast for LeBron, and that's one reason they have been picked by many to win the conference. Has he said differently?

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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 23, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
Lebron is going to be 35 by the end of the calendar year.  I think it is fair to say that he isn't going to be what he was.  And arguably hasn't for a couple of years.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 23, 2019, 10:55:46 AM
LeBron did have one incredible defensive sequence yesterday where he chased down someone (Lou Williams perhaps?) from behind to block a shot and then, seconds later, took a charge from Harrell. But he had serious trouble shooting -- even layups -- and had a bunch of turnovers. Not a great game.

I do think most observers consider this a pretty darn good supporting cast for LeBron, and that's one reason they have been picked by many to win the conference. Has he said differently?

It was Shamet.  His timing on those blocks has always been great.  Wasn't exactly a chase down as they were stride for stride from center court, but still well done.

And he hasn't...yet.  Gotta wait until things go sideways.  Its just from his supporters and biased observers.  He will wear down, and its yet to be seen how chemistry is in that team.  I don't think its a given they are gonna be contenders.  I still think the Rockets, Nuggets, and Clippers will be better.
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Post by: 1SE on October 24, 2019, 04:50:15 AM
Can anyone provide a quick list of MU alumns on rosters this year?
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Post by: baumu on October 24, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Can anyone provide a quick list of MU alumns on rosters this year?

MU twitter posted this yesterday
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Post by: cheebs09 on October 24, 2019, 07:42:11 AM
MU twitter posted this yesterday

So strange to not see Wade in there.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 24, 2019, 07:49:10 AM
Is it me, or do coaches in Chicago seem to have more of these weird ideas than the rest of the country.

https://deadspin.com/report-jim-boylens-back-and-sweatier-than-ever-1839307059
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Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2019, 10:49:53 AM
Is it me, or do coaches in Chicago seem to have more of these weird ideas than the rest of the country.

https://deadspin.com/report-jim-boylens-back-and-sweatier-than-ever-1839307059

Boylen is just terrible and clueless obsessed with being authoritarian.  Nothing he does will surprise me.  Lauri looked very good from what I saw in the first half last night.  They have pieces.  Will they do anything with them tho.
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Post by: BLM on October 24, 2019, 10:56:12 AM
Boylen is just terrible and clueless obsessed with being authoritarian.  Nothing he does will surprise me.  Lauri looked very good from what I saw in the first half last night.  They have pieces.  Will they do anything with them tho.

But what pieces do they really have?  I love Markkanen and think he's really good...at one end of the floor.  Carter should be a decent interior player.  But look at their guards.  Koby White maybe will turn into something, but right now he knows a single speed.  Dunn, LaVine, Satoransky, and Archidiacano are your other guards.  Yikes.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
But what pieces do they really have?  I love Markkanen and think he's really good...at one end of the floor.  Carter should be a decent interior player.  But look at their guards.  Koby White maybe will turn into something, but right now he knows a single speed.  Dunn, LaVine, Satoransky, and Archidiacano are your other guards.  Yikes.

Oh I don't mean pieces to contend.  They are going to be horrible.  I meant potentially build around in Markkanen, Carter, and White.  Lavine is still only 24, he could be a good secondary piece with development.  However, thats the thing, I don't trust the Bulls as an organization to do anything in terms of development or progression.  I actually really like Satoransky if he led the second line for a good team.  But thats not Chicago, so he'll be a waste as well
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Post by: 1SE on October 24, 2019, 11:04:57 AM
MU twitter posted this yesterday

Thanks!
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Post by: BLM on October 24, 2019, 11:08:04 AM
Oh I don't mean pieces to contend.  They are going to be horrible.  I meant potentially build around in Markkanen, Carter, and White.  Lavine is still only 24, he could be a good secondary piece with development.  However, thats the thing, I don't trust the Bulls as an organization to do anything in terms of development or progression.  I actually really like Satoransky if he led the second line for a good team.  But thats not Chicago, so he'll be a waste as well

Gotcha.  I think those three can all be nice pieces in the sense of being secondary scorers, but you need at least 2 playmakers that are better than at least Carter and Markkanen to really contend.  White could wind up being one of those two.

The problem with LaVine is that he might be able to be a nice secondary piece, but I don't think he sees himself as anything but the star of a team.  And, though I haven't watched the Bulls extensively because, well, why would anyone if you aren't a Bulls fan, I don't think he does much well beyond scoring on a lot of shots.
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Post by: Galway Eagle on October 24, 2019, 01:29:03 PM
Can anyone provide a quick list of MU alumns on rosters this year?

Henry, Wes, Jimmy, Jae. doc coaching
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Post by: ZaLiN on October 24, 2019, 01:49:45 PM
How is this box score possible? In a win no less.(http://)
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Post by: rocket surgeon on October 24, 2019, 07:18:45 PM
haven't been reading this thread from front to back, but what the...challenges now in the nba?  the green light?  just watching my first one on the bucks-rockets game.  this should go the way of the nfl's pass interference challenge.  i could see out of bounds kind of things, but now fouls?  maybe in the last 5 minutes.

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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 24, 2019, 07:34:50 PM
It's just one a game.  So I really don't see it as that big of a deal.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 24, 2019, 07:43:28 PM
Bledsoe sucks ass, aina?
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Post by: BLM on October 24, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
I am 100% baffled by how horrendous this defensive scheme is by the Bucks. Literally intentionally playing 4 on 5. The bigs are getting bent over by this scheme. “Here big men, we’re going to let Harden and Westbrook have a wide open lane to you by literally playing behind them. Your job is to defend the rim with a guard coming full steam ahead, AND stop the lob/drop off to Capella/Chandler. Good luck!”
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Post by: BLM on October 24, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
That’s a hell of a win. Didn’t see that turnaround coming with how the Bucks were playing. Loved Budenholzer throwing it into Lopez on the block once Giannis fouled out. And Wes looked good on both ends of the court!
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Post by: MUfan12 on October 24, 2019, 11:25:29 PM
Houston got one dunk on a Harden lob after putting Wes on him. He was fantastic taking away the drive and forced Harden into some tough looks.

Best way to beat this Rockets team is to make them take it out of the basket, as we saw in the second half. They're a load to deal with in transition with Russ pushing the pace.
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Post by: GB Warrior on October 25, 2019, 01:47:36 AM
One game - and a reminder that for the Bucks and most contenders, the regular season doesn't matter - but that game was fun as hell. Cool to see throwback Brook down the stretch and see them pick up a tough win without Giannis in the last 5 mins. A lot of fun pieces once it starts clicking
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Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
This is a SCARY Bucks team.  Depth is crazy.  Players seem to know their roles.  Brogdon is a loss, but I dont know how much they feel it, cause think Wes is gonna be amazing for this squad.  Also, what a turnaround for Giannis.  Texted my friend "1-4 on FTs, 2 fouls and 2 TOs with 930 in the 2nd.  Not a great start for Papa Giannis"...and then he promptly went MVP mode on us.

Also last night, the Clips are NASTY.  Really love watching them play already.  When PG comes back?  SHEEEESH
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2019, 11:27:12 AM
Herro=ROY, hey?
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Post by: Its DJOver on October 25, 2019, 11:33:28 AM
Aint to hard to look good against Memphis hey?  Lets see how much of the ball he gets when JFB comes back.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on October 25, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
man that bucks team is deep.  hoping donte still has a future role.  i think he's gonna be a stud.  i just hope they can find some minutes for him within this lineup
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Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on October 25, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
Herro=ROY, hey?

Not even ROY on his own team yet

That honor belongs to Kendrick Nunn thus far, bizarrely enough (another MU near-miss)
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Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 12:44:20 PM
Herro=ROY, hey?

I can't believe Wojo didn't get an NBA head coaching job just so he could have passed on Herro again.
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Post by: BLM on October 25, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
I can't believe Wojo didn't get an NBA head coaching job just so he could have passed on Herro again.

Just wait until Sam and Joey Hauser get drafted by the Heat, write a letter, and go play in China so they don't have to play with Herro.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
Not even ROY on his own team yet

That honor belongs to Kendrick Nunn thus far, bizarrely enough (another MU near-miss)

Can he be ROY if he was in the G-League last year?  Not sure.  What an circuitous career though.  Left U of I to some raised eyebrows, got onto a run and gun team at Oakland that scored a bajillion points and shot tons of 3s, then played his way into the NBA after going undrafted.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2019, 01:01:29 PM
Y'll laugh, butt, ass ewe no, the kid kan flat out ball and wit swag ta boot, aina?
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Post by: Its DJOver on October 25, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Who's laughing?  Who's not saying that he's an immensely talented kid?  Only one poster keeps bringing him up.  Why does that one poster have an obsession with one kid from Wisconsin that went on to play in the NBA, but completely ignored others.  If he wasn't just doing it to troll, and was legitimately following Wisconsin kids in the NBA why no mention of Looney's injury? 
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Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 01:12:45 PM
Who's laughing?  Who's not saying that he's an immensely talented kid?  Only one poster keeps bringing him up.  Why does that one poster have an obsession with one kid from Wisconsin that went on to play in the NBA, but completely ignored others.  If he wasn't just doing it to troll, and was legitimately following Wisconsin kids in the NBA why no mention of Looney's injury?

Yepp. Dis iss troo.
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Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2019, 01:13:12 PM
Hausers didn't want to lay with him.    Which rings a bell, somehow.   
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Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on October 25, 2019, 01:25:30 PM
Hausers didn't want to lay with him.    Which rings a bell, somehow.

Yeah definitely get a "fool me once" vibe when Wojo was made to pass on Herro (if that's in fact true). Then you try to make him choose vs. Markus? Later
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Post by: BLM on October 25, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
Herro seems like a kid who will love the Miami lifestyle.  I hope he's smart with his money.  $3M can go pretty quick down there.
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Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 25, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
Early clubhouse prediction for the NBA finals, Clippers vs. Bucks.

Love Patrick Beverly
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2019, 03:43:22 PM
Who's laughing?  Who's not saying that he's an immensely talented kid?  Only one poster keeps bringing him up.  Why does that one poster have an obsession with one kid from Wisconsin that went on to play in the NBA, but completely ignored others.  If he wasn't just doing it to troll, and was legitimately following Wisconsin kids in the NBA why no mention of Looney's injury?


Sure, Woj didn't even sniff Whitnall HS after the Hausers wouldn't play nice in the sandbox with Tyler. Wonder how coach feels about that now, not that Herro would have chosen to play for Woj vs. Calipari.
As for #5, he's doing quite well, thank you. Just bought a new crib. Even in San Francisco, $5mil per plus new shoe deal, can go quite far. I'll give him your best.

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Post by: Its DJOver on October 25, 2019, 03:51:06 PM

Sure, Woj didn't even sniff Whitnall HS after the Hausers wouldn't play nice in the sandbox with Tyler. Wonder how coach feels about that now, not that Herro would have chosen to play for Woj vs. Calipari.
As for #5, he's doing quite well, thank you. Just bought a new crib. Even in San Francisco, $5mil per plus new shoe deal, can go quite far. I'll give him your best.

You actually brought Looney up. Good job. Was kind worried all your attention to random 19 year old boys was going to Tyler.   Considering the Herro to UK rumors were going strong when he was still a badger commit, I feel confident in saying that there was nothing that Wojo could have done to get him, but since you know every 5* kid to come out of the state I'm sure you'll be seeing Jordan Poole, and Jalen Johnson and give us all first hand knowledge of their collegiate recruitment.
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Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
As for #5, he's doing quite well, thank you. Just bought a new crib. Even in San Francisco, $5mil per plus new shoe deal, can go quite far. I'll give him your best.

He showed he can step out and hit the 3 now too, which is an added element to his game.  He's slow and steady progressing on becoming a really nice piece.  Saw him outside Cubanitas this summer on my way to a haircut.  Had a Warriors hat on and didn't realize it was him until he said "Dubs" and nodded at me.  Good dude

Also, speaking of the Clippers and the game last night, Lou Williams may have the worst agent in the league.  He's been 6th man of the year 3 times, been good for mid teens in PPG since his 3rd year in the league...and never made more than $8MM a year, and thats on his most recent deal.  When guys like Marvin Williams or Ian Mahimi are making the same or more than you for the production he has, something is off.
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Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
Y'll laugh, butt, ass ewe no, the kid kan flat out ball and wit swag ta boot, aina?

Love Tyler Herro.  Hope he kills it.  Still see Tom Oates kicking dirt for every success Herro has
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Post by: Retire0 on October 25, 2019, 05:34:38 PM
You actually brought Looney up. Good job. Was kind worried all your attention to random 19 year old boys was going to Tyler.   Considering the Herro to UK rumors were going strong when he was still a badger commit, I feel confident in saying that there was nothing that Wojo could have done to get him, but since you know every 5* kid to come out of the state I'm sure you'll be seeing Jordan Poole, and Jalen Johnson and give us all first hand knowledge of their collegiate recruitment.

Not sure the Doc really deserved this. He makes it known who he's close to and who he isn't, not every 5*.
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Post by: Its DJOver on October 25, 2019, 05:58:51 PM
Not sure the Doc really deserved this. He makes it known who he's close to and who he isn't, not every 5*.

Nothing wrong with having inside info and sharing it, but when a 5* in state kid that we recruited and offered decides to go to Kentucky, most people would accept that as losing a recruiting battle to a BB.  Very few would see it as Wojo not even bothering to continue recruit a kid that was already committed because there were rumors that he might de-commit and head off to a BB. 

Then to continue to bring it up years later when that kid is in the NBA, when there are multiple other examples of other in state kids that have gone to BBs and then to the NBA that you are ignoring.  This is not a case of just name dropping to impress people on the internet, he is taking a shot at Wojo and the program, by implying that we didn't even try to get him, when that is just not true. 

No one else has posted as much fluff about Herro since he decided to go to college elsewhere (other than the two dummy accounts that were presumably run by a family or friend of Tyler).  The vast majority of posters moved on and choose to focus on active MU topics (on a MU message board, weird right).  Just about anyone else who has posted about him has wished him well, and no one else feels its necessary to take a shot at our program while doing so.

If he wants to be the new Herman and provide updates on all the Wisconsin natives/MU players playing professional basketball, by all means, but then we should all be expecting some Trey McKinnie Jones updates soon.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.fcgi?country=US&state=WI
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Post by: BLM on October 25, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
James Harden "ducking" out of the way of Giannis's airball 3 pointer was great.  Giannis 2-5 from 3, Harden 1-8.  Maybe worry about shooting over 15% from the field clown.  Or maybe he wasn't ducking at all and it was just him spazzing out like he does when he's flopping around all over the court to bate refs into sending him to the free throw line.

Guy's worse than LeBron.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2019, 07:13:41 PM
I want to clear the air here since some think I'm merely trolling. That is not the case. It is, however, my opinion that Wojo, for a multitude of reasons, is not capable of leading this program to the upper echelon of college basketball. Has he had glimmers of success over the past 5 years? Of course, but sustainability, has eluded him. I have maintained all along that a college coach should be judged on how successful he is in March. Wojo, in March, speaks volumes. But, it appears he has the full backing of MU's current administration. And, if he's fulfilling his job description, as was delineated to him when hired, I guess he'll continue to lead this program well into the future.
Herro may never have given MU the time of day. I don't know that, nor is it likely that anyone else here has that answer in truth. But, if it is true that the Hausers convinced the coach that they didn't want to play with Tyler, it is a real sign of weakness that he acquiesced to that demand. Couple that with Sam and Joey leaving the program and you have to wonder if Steve has second thoughts on how he's handled the leadership of his program. I wonder how many high school coaches in WI are in Wojo's corner and would encourage their 4 and 5 star recruits to attend Marquette? I do not wish failure upon Wojo. Quite the opposite. But, my confidence that he is capable, is very low. Hope I'm wrong.
BTW, I have never said or insinuate that I know the 5 stars in WI. As those of you who have been on this board for a while know, I have, however, known Kevon since he was 6 years old. Over the years, I have engaged in lengthy basketball discussions, not only with him, but also with his Mom and Dad. We continue to talk, albeit less basketball, and more every day life. He was in town just prior to the start of training camp and we met for quite a while.The Looneys are a marvelous family and I continue to celebrate Kevon's success. He has worked extremely hard to reach the pinnacle of basketball and is well deserving of everything he has earned.

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Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
If you posted like this more often, people would have a vastly different opinion of you.
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Post by: Its DJOver on October 25, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
Yea it's pretty clear that you think that Wojo isn't the man for the job.  Where I get confused is why you continue to bring up a 5* recruit that originally snubbed us over 3 years ago?  Diamond had an offer from us, he'd be a missed in state 5*, and no one has mentioned him in years.  Wojo has plenty of faults, you don't need to go back 3+ years to find one.

And just to bring this back to the Superbar, WTF is up up with Kemba?  I understand it's an extremely small sample size, against two of the better teams from the East, but he just looks awful.  In the 20%s from the floor, in the teens from 3, grand total of 4 boards, and the same number of TOs as assists.  Is it possible that Charlotte made the right decision with him?  I didn't know Charlotte made right decisions.  Now that I said that, he'll probably go off in the 4th.
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Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 08:19:19 PM
Doc, I agree with brand. Thanks for the interesting post.

I just wish you wouldn't sound so damn happy when Wojo misses on a recruit.

I also know you are knowledgeable enough  about basketball to know the importance of chemistry. Wojo looked at the Hausers and Markus as cornerstones of his program. He looked at Sam as a leader. If two of the cornerstones and one of the leaders come to you and say, "We got this, Coach; and we don't think Herro is right for our team," you'd be doing the team a great disservice to recruit Herro anyway. And the fact that he wanted to go to Kentucky anyway makes Wojo not wasting time and effort on him even more understandable IMHO.

Now, obviously, things didn't work out as planned with the Hausers, and like you I think that reflects poorly on Wojo. But I really don't think Wojo did one single thing wrong by not persuing Herro. And frankly, as deferential as you have been to the Hausers, I'm a little surprised you hold this against Wojo.

You obviously are allowed your opinion about him, but this smacks of ripping him just for the sake of ripping him.
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Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 25, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
I want to clear the air here since some think I'm merely trolling. That is not the case. It is, however, my opinion that Wojo, for a multitude of reasons, is not capable of leading this program to the upper echelon of college basketball. Has he had glimmers of success over the past 5 years? Of course, but sustainability, has eluded him. I have maintained all along that a college coach should be judged on how successful he is in March. Wojo, in March, speaks volumes. But, it appears he has the full backing of MU's current administration. And, if he's fulfilling his job description, as was delineated to him when hired, I guess he'll continue to lead this program well into the future.
Herro may never have given MU the time of day. I don't know that, nor is it likely that anyone else here has that answer in truth. But, if it is true that the Hausers convinced the coach that they didn't want to play with Tyler, it is a real sign of weakness that he acquiesced to that demand. Couple that with Sam and Joey leaving the program and you have to wonder if Steve has second thoughts on how he's handled the leadership of his program. I wonder how many high school coaches in WI are in Wojo's corner and would encourage their 4 and 5 star recruits to attend Marquette? I do not wish failure upon Wojo. Quite the opposite. But, my confidence that he is capable, is very low. Hope I'm wrong.
BTW, I have never said or insinuate that I know the 5 stars in WI. As those of you who have been on this board for a while know, I have, however, known Kevon since he was 6 years old. Over the years, I have engaged in lengthy basketball discussions, not only with him, but also with his Mom and Dad. We continue to talk, albeit less basketball, and more every day life. He was in town just prior to the start of training camp and we met for quite a while.The Looneys are a marvelous family and I continue to celebrate Kevon's success. He has worked extremely hard to reach the pinnacle of basketball and is well deserving of everything he has earned.
Nobody thinks you know crap. You are a unnatural carnal knowledgeing dentist.
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Post by: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2019, 09:39:40 PM

I just wish you wouldn't sound so damn happy when Wojo misses on a recruit.


All in the eye of the beholder, I guess, but when I hear "He gone" or "Next man up" from the good doctor it sounds like resignation tinged with disappointment to me. Certainly not joy.

And in fairness (eye of the beholder again), the defensiveness that I sense in you and others when Wojo misses may be me viewing through a biased lens.

Bottom line - we all want MU success with every fiber in our being. Some are cheerleaders, some are critics, some wear both hats. Some are optimists, some pessimists. None are "better".
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Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
All in the eye of the beholder, I guess, but when I hear "He gone" or "Next man up" from the good doctor it sounds like resignation tinged with disappointment to me. Certainly not joy.

And in fairness (eye of the beholder again), the defensiveness that I sense in you and others when Wojo misses may be me viewing through a biased lens.

Bottom line - we all want MU success with every fiber in our being. Some are cheerleaders, some are critics, some wear both hats. Some are optimists, some pessimists. None are "better".

I like Doc. But sorry, Lenny, going into the recruiting thread the moment it looks like Marquette might lose a recruit and gleefully talking about "green weenies" is the opposite of "better." In the eye of this beholder, anyway.
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Post by: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2019, 10:20:41 PM
I like Doc. But sorry, Lenny, going into the recruiting thread the moment it looks like Marquette might lose a recruit and gleefully talking about "green weenies" is the opposite of "better." In the eye of this beholder, anyway.

There is, no doubt, a back and forth between posters with differing opinions of the state of the program. Wojophiles call out those not in their camp after each success. And those who think he's not the guy are just as quick to point out his failures. In the former's case, their joy is exacerbated by being able to say "I told you so". In the latter's case, their disappointment is (somewhat) assuaged by being able to say the same.

But make no mistake, guys like 4ever (and Goose, Keefe, Lens, myself and others with the temerity to frequently or occasionally criticize Wojo) want him to win every recruiting battle, win every game - just as much as you do. Anoint yourself the better fan (or better person) if that makes you happy. I'll respectfully disagree.
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Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2019, 10:33:39 PM
There is, no doubt, a back and forth between posters with differing opinions of the state of the program. Wojophiles call out those not in their camp after each success. And those who think he's not the guy are just as quick to point out his failures. In the former's case, their joy is exacerbated by being able to say "I told you so". In the latter's case, their disappointment is (somewhat) assuaged by being able to say the same.

But make no mistake, guys like 4ever (and Goose, Keefe, Lens, myself and others with the temerity to frequently or occasionally criticize Wojo) want him to win every recruiting battle, win every game - just as much as you do. Anoint yourself the better fan (or better person) if that makes you happy. I'll respectfully disagree.

I anoint myself only "Marquette fan," "follicly challenged grandpa" and "wannabe beer connoisseur."

I criticize Wojo plenty.

And I like all y'all.
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Post by: hairy worthen on October 26, 2019, 08:31:49 AM
Nobody thinks you know crap. You are a unnatural carnal knowledgeing dentist.
what an insightful, witty and positive contribution you anti-dentite SOB.
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Post by: hairy worthen on October 26, 2019, 08:38:16 AM
James Harden "ducking" out of the way of Giannis's airball 3 pointer was great.  Giannis 2-5 from 3, Harden 1-8.  Maybe worry about shooting over 15% from the field clown.  Or maybe he wasn't ducking at all and it was just him spazzing out like he does when he's flopping around all over the court to bate refs into sending him to the free throw line.

Guy's worse than LeBron.
Rockets have to be the most unlikeable team. Hardin, Westbrook, Chandler, Capella are everything i hate about the NBA. On top of that they bitch about every call. Starts with their whiney coach.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 26, 2019, 09:09:53 AM
Rockets have to be the most unlikeable team. Hardin, Westbrook, Chandler, Capella are everything i hate about the NBA. On top of that they bitch about every call. Starts with their whiney coach.

And now China hates them too.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 26, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
Hausers didn't want to lay with him.    Which rings a bell, somehow.

I wouldn't want to lay with him either. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
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Post by: forgetful on October 26, 2019, 05:47:01 PM
Lebron having to be told by AD that his fake hair is falling out during the game. Brilliant!

https://www.barstoolsports.com/viral/anthony-davis-is-a-good-friend-for-telling-lebron-his-fake-hair-was-unnatural carnal knowledgeed-up

*Problem with link because of Scoopiness.
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Post by: BLM on October 26, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
Bledsoe, Matthews, Middleton is just not good  nearly good enough of a backcourt to win an NBA title.
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Post by: GB Warrior on October 26, 2019, 08:21:04 PM
Long season, but the offense was not why the Bucks lost. Hopefully a wakeup call for the defense. Giannis also has to stop giving away fouls.
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Post by: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2019, 04:23:54 AM
Dude kant hit a free throw ta save his ass, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2019, 10:01:24 AM
Dude kant hit a free throw ta save his ass, hey?

FTsnomatta
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Post by: Jay Bee on October 27, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
Trying not to get my hopes up on the Twolves.. fun start to the year. Jimmy-less Miami Heat in town tonight for the opener. Bucks arrive Monday November 4, the day before cbb begins. I'll be in the building for that one.

KAT at his best is really, really good. Hungry boi Shabazz has been a nice backup at point guard. RoCo healthy again. Wiggins will continue to show flashes but mostly blow. Graham with toughness. Jake Layman looking good from deep (nh).

Go Wolves!
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Post by: Cheeks on October 27, 2019, 08:06:22 PM
This kid named Ja Morant is having himself a pretty nice start....anyone ever heard of him?   8-)
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 27, 2019, 08:08:47 PM
This kid named Ja Morant is having himself a pretty nice start....anyone ever heard of him?   8-)

Joey does.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2019, 08:32:34 PM
This kid named Ja Morant is having himself a pretty nice start....anyone ever heard of him?   8-)

was at the game yesterday-tyler h is on the perfect team for him to grow and develop.  he's going to be alright.  reminds me a little of jj redick.  he's got the quicks.  now he's got to work on his shot under pressure.

    would have been cool to see jfb and wesley playing against each other.  the guy formerly known as lew alcindor got a really nice ovation sitting down near the front row. 
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Post by: JWags85 on October 28, 2019, 12:13:11 AM
Trying not to get my hopes up on the Twolves.. fun start to the year. Jimmy-less Miami Heat in town tonight for the opener. Bucks arrive Monday November 4, the day before cbb begins. I'll be in the building for that one.

KAT at his best is really, really good. Hungry boi Shabazz has been a nice backup at point guard. RoCo healthy again. Wiggins will continue to show flashes but mostly blow. Graham with toughness. Jake Layman looking good from deep (nh).

Go Wolves!

KAT has been a man possessed, super efficient, really active, and his 3 ball has been on point. His shot looks creaky but it’s been very good.

My fav part of the new season is finding the 2-3 teams that become targeted viewing for me (aka if I’m flipping around and they are in, I’ll watch, or I’ll seek out their good matchups), besides the Bucks obviously. So far it’s the Mavs and the Pels, then the Hawks are sneaking in there.

Luka is amazing. He and Porzingis have been working together really nicely early on. Delon Wright and then Seth curry off the bench for quick offense.

NO is interesting even without Zion. Ingram and Hart especially have been really good and clearly needed to get out of LA to thrive. Always been a big Jrue Holiday fan, and then what I’ve really liked is watching JJ run the team as a veteran leader. He and Hart play well off each other in leadership roles.

Hawks are super young, no pun intended, but Young and Collins are REALLY good, plus now they have Hunter and maybe a non-toxic Jabari who is still shockingly only 24. They could be a dark horse in the East
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 28, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
Joey does.

??? Joey does what?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 28, 2019, 09:56:43 AM
??? Joey does what?

Heard of Ja.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUDish on October 30, 2019, 11:21:48 PM
Bulls have lost to Charlotte, Knicks, and the Cavs. That’s really, really, really bad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2019, 08:26:31 AM
Stephen Curry broke his hand last night. That sucks.

In the last 5 months, the Warriors have lost Durant, Thompson and now Curry, as well as several complementary players. Fortunately for them, Thompson and Curry will be back, but who knows if they ever will be able to win another title.

Nothing lasts forever ... except Brady and Belichick, of course.
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Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 31, 2019, 08:32:58 AM
Stephen Curry broke his hand last night. That sucks.

In the last 5 months, the Warriors have lost Durant, Thompson and now Curry, as well as several complementary players. Fortunately for them, Thompson and Curry will be back, but who knows if they ever will be able to win another title.

Nothing lasts forever ... except Brady and Belichick, of course.

The upside is they get to keep their lottery pick and can get to rebuilding more quickly (with their two stars injured).

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/if-steph-curry-less-warriors-hit-lottery-2020-draft-pick-doesnt-go-nets
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Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2019, 09:12:39 AM
The upside is they get to keep their lottery pick and can get to rebuilding more quickly (with their two stars injured).

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/if-steph-curry-less-warriors-hit-lottery-2020-draft-pick-doesnt-go-nets

That is fortunate, and a very good point.

I doubt they'll finish in the bottom 5, though, and anything after that requires both great scouting and some good fortune. They have shown the ability to build without being at the top of the draft, as Curry, Thompson and Green all came later (in Green's case, much later), and they did a nice job of identifying free agents who could help as role players. Durant, obviously, was a huge get, but they won their first title without him.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on November 02, 2019, 06:40:59 PM
a little buzz going around that lamelo ball could become a number 1 draft pick?  i'd love to have his PR guy.  i mean, what the hell, so could markus.  lonzo is ok, but the lakers gave him a gift

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2804887-no-question-lamelo-ball-can-be-no-1-nba-draft-pick-says-spire-head-coach
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Post by: GB Warrior on November 02, 2019, 07:53:51 PM
That is fortunate, and a very good point.

I doubt they'll finish in the bottom 5, though, and anything after that requires both great scouting and some good fortune. They have shown the ability to build without being at the top of the draft, as Curry, Thompson and Green all came later (in Green's case, much later), and they did a nice job of identifying free agents who could help as role players. Durant, obviously, was a huge get, but they won their first title without him.

I think giving Russell a platform to shine can't hurt either. Trade value if they do indeed choose to go that way.
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Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
a little buzz going around that lamelo ball could become a number 1 draft pick?  i'd love to have his PR guy.  i mean, what the hell, so could markus.  lonzo is ok, but the lakers gave him a gift

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2804887-no-question-lamelo-ball-can-be-no-1-nba-draft-pick-says-spire-head-coach

It’s his high school coach.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on November 02, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
It’s his high school coach.

yes, but he is one of a few.  watching espn last night, some guy(other than his h.s. coach) was touting him on scott van pelt's show.  this may not be the guy, but  jonathon givony is another fan
https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/espn-releases-glowing-scouting-report-for-lamelo-ball/
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Post by: Herman Cain on November 04, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
I want to clear the air here since some think I'm merely trolling. That is not the case. It is, however, my opinion that Wojo, for a multitude of reasons, is not capable of leading this program to the upper echelon of college basketball. Has he had glimmers of success over the past 5 years? Of course, but sustainability, has eluded him. I have maintained all along that a college coach should be judged on how successful he is in March. Wojo, in March, speaks volumes. But, it appears he has the full backing of MU's current administration. And, if he's fulfilling his job description, as was delineated to him when hired, I guess he'll continue to lead this program well into the future.
Herro may never have given MU the time of day. I don't know that, nor is it likely that anyone else here has that answer in truth. But, if it is true that the Hausers convinced the coach that they didn't want to play with Tyler, it is a real sign of weakness that he acquiesced to that demand. Couple that with Sam and Joey leaving the program and you have to wonder if Steve has second thoughts on how he's handled the leadership of his program. I wonder how many high school coaches in WI are in Wojo's corner and would encourage their 4 and 5 star recruits to attend Marquette? I do not wish failure upon Wojo. Quite the opposite. But, my confidence that he is capable, is very low. Hope I'm wrong.
BTW, I have never said or insinuate that I know the 5 stars in WI. As those of you who have been on this board for a while know, I have, however, known Kevon since he was 6 years old. Over the years, I have engaged in lengthy basketball discussions, not only with him, but also with his Mom and Dad. We continue to talk, albeit less basketball, and more every day life. He was in town just prior to the start of training camp and we met for quite a while.The Looneys are a marvelous family and I continue to celebrate Kevon's success. He has worked extremely hard to reach the pinnacle of basketball and is well deserving of everything he has earned.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on November 04, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
Jay Bee, were you hanging on the rim before the game tonight?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
yes, but he is one of a few.  watching espn last night, some guy(other than his h.s. coach) was touting him on scott van pelt's show.  this may not be the guy, but  jonathon givony is another fan
https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/espn-releases-glowing-scouting-report-for-lamelo-ball/

He won’t be the #1 pick, but I think he’s moved past the “overrated cause he’s a Ball” label. He’s been really solid in Australia and has impressed with his basketball IQ/unselfishness. He’s filled out and has nice size and a well rounded game, lot of potential from when he was scrawny and cherry picking huge stats against bad teams at Chino
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Post by: BLM on November 08, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
Middleton is so bad that, with the Bucks taking the ball out of bounds from the side with 2.3 seconds left, he travels quickly enough to give the ball back to the Jazz, then, while guarding the guy who has 30 points, loses his man to give up a wide open game winner.

Hope I’m wrong but the Bucks aren’t winning a title with Middleton as the Bucks’ second best player. And Middleton will be the Bucks’ second best player for as long as this contract lasts as you can’t afford anyone better with what you’re paying him.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on November 09, 2019, 06:33:26 AM
He won’t be the #1 pick, but I think he’s moved past the “overrated cause he’s a Ball” label. He’s been really solid in Australia and has impressed with his basketball IQ/unselfishness. He’s filled out and has nice size and a well rounded game, lot of potential from when he was scrawny and cherry picking huge stats against bad teams at Chino

fair analysis
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on November 18, 2019, 10:45:52 PM
Is Luka Doncic an athletic Larry Bird?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 19, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
LeBron has 17 fouls in 13 games this season.  5 games in which he has not picked up a single foul.  That's pretty remarkable.

Giannis has fouled out twice and has 52 fouls in 13 games this season.

Also, some of the Tweets that come out after every Rockets game showing the "fouls" Harden gets called his way are unfathomable.
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Post by: JWags85 on November 19, 2019, 01:18:00 PM
Is Luka Doncic an athletic Larry Bird?

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or slight.  But Doncic is unreal.  He's putting up stats as a 20 year old that are unheard of.  He's a joy to watch.

LeBron has 17 fouls in 13 games this season.  5 games in which he has not picked up a single foul.  That's pretty remarkable.

Giannis has fouled out twice and has 52 fouls in 13 games this season.

Also, some of the Tweets that come out after every Rockets game showing the "fouls" Harden gets called his way are unfathomable.

Tale of two player perceptions by officials.  Harden is incredibly crafty and smart to be sure, but he baits officials into calls and gets more "anticipation" calls that anyone Ive ever seen.  Meanwhile, Giannis doesn't get a star whistle at all.  I think he had 5 offensive fouls last night?  In a superstar driven league where those stars are officiated a bit differently, he's not seen that benefit as of yet.  Ironic considering the All American who shares an arena with him who doesn't get a favorable whistle when drawing contact inside the arc either.
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Post by: GB Warrior on November 19, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or slight.  But Doncic is unreal.  He's putting up stats as a 20 year old that are unheard of.  He's a joy to watch.

Tale of two player perceptions by officials.  Harden is incredibly crafty and smart to be sure, but he baits officials into calls and gets more "anticipation" calls that anyone Ive ever seen.  Meanwhile, Giannis doesn't get a star whistle at all.  I think he had 5 offensive fouls last night?  In a superstar driven league where those stars are officiated a bit differently, he's not seen that benefit as of yet.  Ironic considering the All American who shares an arena with him who doesn't get a favorable whistle when drawing contact inside the arc either.

The NBA just wants to sandbag the Bucks season so Giannis wants to go to a big market. The Bucks just have been resilient thus far.
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Post by: Jockey on November 19, 2019, 01:45:48 PM
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or slight.  But Doncic is unreal.  He's putting up stats as a 20 year old that are unheard of.  He's a joy to watch.



It was meant totally as a compliment. Bird was so great despite a clear lack of athleticism. Doncic, while not an elite athlete, is a very good athlete.
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Post by: Jockey on November 19, 2019, 01:48:12 PM
The NBA just wants to sandbag the Bucks season so Giannis wants to go to a big market. The Bucks just have been resilient thus far.

Regarding the Bucks - I always love when a team has to go thru adversity. It allows us to see what they are made of. I think the loss of Middleton - the clear #2 option - will greatly help the team.  It is giving DD a chance to step up and get major minutes on the floor. That will pay off in April, May, and hopefully, June.
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Post by: MUDish on November 20, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
Doncic 22-5-5...in the first quarter tonight.

That’s unbelievable. I couldn’t believe at the time the Suns, Kings, Hawks all passed (traded) on him. Three franchises desperate for a star.

Think about how crazy it is to score 22 and have 5 assists in a quarter!
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Post by: JWags85 on November 21, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
Doncic 22-5-5...in the first quarter tonight.

That’s unbelievable. I couldn’t believe at the time the Suns, Kings, Hawks all passed (traded) on him. Three franchises desperate for a star.

Think about how crazy it is to score 22 and have 5 assists in a quarter!

Especially when you rewatch and see that he was bombing semi-contested step back 3s.  Absolutely staggering performance.  His whole line was one of the most efficient brilliant triple doubles you'll ever see.

I can't speak to front offices, but I found the "cautious" narrative around him to be pretty lame.  He's far more accomplished than Rubio was coming into the league, and at a younger age.  Also, the hesitations about the competition he faced is hilarious when you're taking someone the same age who instead of playing against polished professionals, has been playing AAU and against majority of college competition who will be working corporate jobs when their college career is over.  I thought he was a complete slam dunk #1, but I guess hindsight is 20/20.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: WarriorDad on November 23, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
Very early, but Lebron playing MVP level. Lakers team to beat?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: forgetful on November 23, 2019, 01:00:37 PM
Is Luka Doncic an athletic Larry Bird?

Which Bird? Young in his prime Bird was very athletic. Debilitated by devastating injuries Bird, was more limited but still quite athletic.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 23, 2019, 01:15:42 PM
Very early, but Lebron playing MVP level. Lakers team to beat?

No.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: WarriorDad on November 23, 2019, 01:48:12 PM
No.

Who is team to beat?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2019, 05:34:31 PM
Which Bird? Young in his prime Bird was very athletic. Debilitated by devastating injuries Bird, was more limited but still quite athletic.

I don't think so. Compared to us, he was athletic. Compared to NBA players, he was not.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: forgetful on November 23, 2019, 06:06:18 PM
I don't think so. Compared to us, he was athletic. Compared to NBA players, he was not.

If he played today, his vertical leap would be the NBA average. His vertical was only 1.5 inches less than Bruno Fernando (who was considered extremely athletic) and 0.5" more than Quentin Grimes.

Back then, because of different training and conditioning it was above average.

In all honesty, it would be more accurate to say that Bird was an athletic Doncic.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 23, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
Who is team to beat?

The Bucks in the East and the Clippers in the West.

Nuggets, Jazz, and Rockets right there with the Lakers. I’d be surprised if the Lakers are in the WCF. Their top 2 are studs obviously. But they have just one other player averaging double figures and he’s at 12 PPG (Kuzma).
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 23, 2019, 07:36:03 PM
  jimmy b's having a tough time in the city of big shoulders-

  https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28145351/bulls-zach-lavine-says-trust-issue-coach-jim-boylen
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2019, 07:42:18 PM
  jimmy b's having a tough time in the city of big shoulders-

  https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28145351/bulls-zach-lavine-says-trust-issue-coach-jim-boylen

What does this have to do with jimmy?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 23, 2019, 08:06:12 PM
What does this have to do with jimmy?

Think he means Jim Boylen. I don’t know what “the city of big shoulders” is though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
I’m shocked that a harda$$ coach is struggling in today’s NBA.
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Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 23, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
Think he means Jim Boylen. I don’t know what “the city of big shoulders” is though.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/12840/chicago
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 23, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/12840/chicago

Haha thanks. Had never read that or heard of Chicago referred to as that before.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
After injuries and other stuff ruined his Laker debut year, LeBron is having a pretty amazing season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 24, 2019, 01:02:06 AM
After injuries and other stuff ruined his Laker debut year, LeBron is having a pretty amazing season.

apparently he was showcasing some of his other talents for his fans while leaving an oklahoma steak house.  he really should be a little more careful so as not to strain a muscle or something


https://nypost.com/2019/11/23/lebron-james-farts-at-fans-after-they-ask-for-his-autograph/
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Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2019, 09:39:39 AM
apparently he was showcasing some of his other talents for his fans while leaving an oklahoma steak house.  he really should be a little more careful so as not to strain a muscle or something


https://nypost.com/2019/11/23/lebron-james-farts-at-fans-after-they-ask-for-his-autograph/

That's funny. And disgusting.

He's also having an amazing season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 24, 2019, 10:13:18 AM
That's funny. And disgusting.

He's also having an amazing season.

Lots of farting by prominent people of late on camera....something in the food?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 24, 2019, 05:49:47 PM
Lots of farting by prominent people of late on camera....something in the food?

and people are worried about the cows?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2019, 05:55:48 PM
Hard ta teech klass, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 25, 2019, 10:29:29 AM
After injuries and other stuff ruined his Laker debut year, LeBron is having a pretty amazing season.

Other stuff?  You mean being cantankerous and putting in no effort on defense while alienating all his young teammates in an attempt to successfully run them off?  He's having a great year, but suddenly its all fun and games now that he has AD and a good role players?  Shocking.

I'll wait on the Lakers until they play the meat of their schedule.  The Lakers have one of the most amazing soft start schedules Ive seen.  12 of their 16 games have been against teams under .500.  They are 2-2 in those other 4 games. They play Dallas, Denver, and Utah to start December.  They already beat Dallas but that was before Luka turned into an inferno and Utah will be on the road.  Good benchmark games to see now that people are salivating over the Lakers winning 70+ and waltzing to a title as they destroy another 5 and 10 team  ::)

Meanwhile, speaking of Luka, he's averaging 35-10-10.5 over his last 5.  Thats insanity.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 02:56:31 PM
Other stuff?  You mean being cantankerous and putting in no effort on defense while alienating all his young teammates in an attempt to successfully run them off?  He's having a great year, but suddenly its all fun and games now that he has AD and a good role players?  Shocking.

I'll wait on the Lakers until they play the meat of their schedule.  The Lakers have one of the most amazing soft start schedules Ive seen.  12 of their 16 games have been against teams under .500.  They are 2-2 in those other 4 games. They play Dallas, Denver, and Utah to start December.  They already beat Dallas but that was before Luka turned into an inferno and Utah will be on the road.  Good benchmark games to see now that people are salivating over the Lakers winning 70+ and waltzing to a title as they destroy another 5 and 10 team  ::)

Meanwhile, speaking of Luka, he's averaging 35-10-10.5 over his last 5.  Thats insanity.

No effort on defense...you don’t say.

 :-*
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 25, 2019, 03:27:27 PM
No effort on defense...you don’t say.

 :-*

Leave this thread to people that actually watch the sport. Stick to ruining the other threads with your trite wanking to the past nonsense. Thanks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 25, 2019, 03:42:52 PM
Leave this thread to people that actually watch the sport. Stick to ruining the other threads with your trite wanking to the past nonsense. Thanks.

Exactly. He’s lacking attention so he’s here to ruin every thread. And then play the victim and claim it wasn’t his fault.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 25, 2019, 03:47:19 PM
Fartin' at autograph seekers ain't kool, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Fartin' at autograph seekers ain't kool, hey?

Depends (use it anyway you want)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 05:27:23 PM
Leave this thread to people that actually watch the sport. Stick to ruining the other threads with your trite wanking to the past nonsense. Thanks.

LOL.  I'm just glad you acknowledged that defense is a joke in the NBA...Lebron a perfect example.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2019, 05:39:30 PM
"NBA Defense is a Joke" ... brought to you by the people behind "What's with All the Tattoos?" and "These Guys Stink at Fundamentals."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 05:51:47 PM
"NBA Defense is a Joke" ... brought to you by the people behind "What's with All the Tattoos?" and "These Guys Stink at Fundamentals."

Yes, Draymond Green....Kyrie Irving...Patrick Beverely...etc...all saying NBA doesn't play defense but "WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THE TATTOOS".

Wonder if they plan on having their tattoos removed.  Good one.

All about the points...keep those with no attention spans paying attention with points points points points.  OLE....OLE....OLE





Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 25, 2019, 05:58:14 PM
College defenses are so superior to the jokes that are NBA defenses that you could put the current Warriors (worst team...or pick whatever NBA team you want to with the worst offense) up against Virginia with NBA rules (3 point line, shot clock, etc.) and the Warriors/whatever NBA team would put up 150 easily.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 25, 2019, 06:04:08 PM
Yes, Draymond Green....Kyrie Irving...Patrick Beverely...etc...all saying NBA doesn't play defense but "WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THE TATTOOS".

Wonder if they plan on having their tattoos removed.  Good one.

All about the points...keep those with no attention spans paying attention with points points points points.  OLE....OLE....OLE

Now the only people who enjoy the NBA are those without attention spans?  Aka millenials and those who aren't as basketball cultured and savvy?  You're such pompous douchebag man.  Thank god you have this outlet, otherwise you'd be degrading service staff and kicking dogs.

And if the NBA didn't play defense, Beverly wouldn't have a job.  But keep it up honey, you're doing great.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 06:43:54 PM
College defenses are so superior to the jokes that are NBA defenses that you could put the current Warriors (worst team...or pick whatever NBA team you want to with the worst offense) up against Virginia with NBA rules (3 point line, shot clock, etc.) and the Warriors/whatever NBA team would put up 150 easily.

I would hope so, they are all pros where most college teams have zero pros on them.  I would say 200.

The difference is effort, and actually being allowed to breathe on the offensive player, also not allowing 4 steps and the continuation nonsense in the NBA.  So yes, NBA players better...way way way better.  College players worse...way way way worse.  Desire, attitude, effort, also different between the two.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 06:53:01 PM
Now the only people who enjoy the NBA are those without attention spans?  Aka millenials and those who aren't as basketball cultured and savvy?  You're such pompous douchebag man.  Thank god you have this outlet, otherwise you'd be degrading service staff and kicking dogs.

And if the NBA didn't play defense, Beverly wouldn't have a job.  But keep it up honey, you're doing great.

Mr Beverley said he can no longer play defense the way it is supposed to be played.  He is a good defender and we all praise him like he is a insanely great because so few even put the effort into it like he does, that’s how much of a void there is now.

Mr. Green said it best, this is what the NBA wants...lots of points, make it exciting.  Our data shows the same thing, and the skewing of people who say it is way younger. Points points points.  If Harden needs to take 5 steps and it looks cool doing it...he deserves it.  Give an inch take a mile.

Incidentally I didn’t say only those with short attention spans, please read.

All these leagues are in a major panic (we all have the same data) to get those young eyeballs to watch....the ones glued to their phones, the ones that feel separation anxiety when they don’t have their phones (true...several studies) with them, so they are going to do whatever it takes to make it fast and entertaining. 

Baseball has the toughest job here.  Robot umpires? Being in the fences? Juice the balls? Make the games 7 innings? 

Basketball, before I’m 70 there will be a four point line.  Hockey will widen the nets sooner rather than later. Football will continue to make it more and more difficult to defend against the pass.  Just how it is.  They are in full blown panic because the numbers from the under 30’s are so bad at the moment.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: lawdog77 on November 25, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
I would hope so, they are all pros where most college teams have zero pros on them.  I would say 200.

The difference is effort, and actually being allowed to breathe on the offensive player, also not allowing 4 steps and the continuation nonsense in the NBA.  So yes, NBA players better...way way way better.  College players worse...way way way worse.  Desire, attitude, effort, also different between the two.
Why do I picture you in the cockpit with Kareem saying this?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on November 25, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
I’m going to disagree. Some players can be lazy on defense no doubt. By and large NBA players play hard and physical as hell. You aren’t watching if you don’t see that. The fact of the matter is that unlike college players, NBA players make open shots and even we’ll defended shots consistently.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2019, 08:48:58 PM
I’m going to disagree. Some players can be lazy on defense no doubt. By and large NBA players play hard and physical as hell. You aren’t watching if you don’t see that. The fact of the matter is that unlike college players, NBA players make open shots and even we’ll defended shots consistently.

All this.
The notion that these guys became the best players in the world while also being lazy is beyond dumb.
If they lacked desire, work ethic and the necessity attitude, they wouldn't be where they are today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 25, 2019, 09:06:18 PM
All this.
The notion that these guys became the best players in the world while also being lazy is beyond dumb.
If they lacked desire, work ethic and the necessity attitude, they wouldn't be where they are today.

Don’t forget any passion or love for the game. That vanishes when you put on an NBA jersey. Then you’re just a mercenary salaryman who only cares for green.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: WarriorDad on November 25, 2019, 09:19:46 PM
The Bucks in the East and the Clippers in the West.

Nuggets, Jazz, and Rockets right there with the Lakers. I’d be surprised if the Lakers are in the WCF. Their top 2 are studs obviously. But they have just one other player averaging double figures and he’s at 12 PPG (Kuzma).

Good picks.  Think Laker studs slightly better than Clipper studs.  Will someone like Dwight Howard be an X factor?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on November 25, 2019, 11:26:20 PM
Stick to sports, guys. You can go post that sh!t at Deadspin. Does Nielsen have a forum?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
Why do I picture you in the cockpit with Kareem saying this?

We have clearance, Clarence.


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Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 12:05:34 AM
I’m going to disagree. Some players can be lazy on defense no doubt. By and large NBA players play hard and physical as hell. You aren’t watching if you don’t see that. The fact of the matter is that unlike college players, NBA players make open shots and even we’ll defended shots consistently.

I’m curious why you thought those guys went on record to say that about defense?  Incidentally there were about 5 or 6 others that also did, but figured the point was made?  That’s quite a few players willing to state it publicly and not just also ran players.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
All this.
The notion that these guys became the best players in the world while also being lazy is beyond dumb.
If they lacked desire, work ethic and the necessity attitude, they wouldn't be where they are today.

Lots of false arguments here.  You can be one of the best players in the world and take plays off or even neglect an aspect of your game.  Carmelo Anthony ring a bell?  Or in some cases just not be very good at one side of it...Andrew Rowsey comes to mind at MU.  Not sure why you are making this argument.  Again, why are these high profile players making this statement about lack of defense and the NBA not emphasizing it?  As Green stated, they know what the league wants and where the emphasis is...his words...so they can work very hard at the offensive game and not need to put full effort in the defensive side...both can be true and to believe Green and Irving, that seems to be the case.  Is Green not someone who seems to speak his mind?  How about Irving? 

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Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2019, 07:32:29 AM
Lots of false arguments here.  You can be one of the best players in the world and take plays off or even neglect an aspect of your game.  Carmelo Anthony ring a bell?  Or in some cases just not be very good at one side of it...Andrew Rowsey comes to mind at MU.  Not sure why you are making this argument.  Again, why are these high profile players making this statement about lack of defense and the NBA not emphasizing it?  As Green stated, they know what the league wants and where the emphasis is...his words...so they can work very hard at the offensive game and not need to put full effort in the defensive side...both can be true and to believe Green and Irving, that seems to be the case.  Is Green not someone who seems to speak his mind?  How about Irving? 

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College kids don’t play offense because coaches want defense or something.  I heard Tom Izzo say defense wins championships.  🙄
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 07:55:02 AM
"There's no defense in the NBA" has been something folks have been claiming, off and on, for as long as I've been watching NBA hoops.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 26, 2019, 09:31:30 AM
Lots of false arguments here.  You can be one of the best players in the world and take plays off or even neglect an aspect of your game.  Carmelo Anthony ring a bell?  Or in some cases just not be very good at one side of it...Andrew Rowsey comes to mind at MU.  Not sure why you are making this argument.  Again, why are these high profile players making this statement about lack of defense and the NBA not emphasizing it?  As Green stated, they know what the league wants and where the emphasis is...his words...so they can work very hard at the offensive game and not need to put full effort in the defensive side...both can be true and to believe Green and Irving, that seems to be the case.  Is Green not someone who seems to speak his mind?  How about Irving? 

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/RJDizq5cXzThRYEAx0/giphy.gif?cid=4d1e4f29bfec135ec019b57f0a0a24300ad41d9b852d5297&rid=giphy.gif)

As you're wont to do, you're shifting goalposts again.
You started this by claiming "NBA defense is a joke" and that NBA players lack the effort, desire and attitude of college players.
That very bad, provably false argument has now changed into something entirely different, that "NBA rules favor offense" (like the rules in every other sport) and "some players aren't good on defense" (like the players in every other sport).

Should take this to mean that you admit you were wrong about NBA players' effort, desire and attitude?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:11:54 AM
"There's no defense in the NBA" has been something folks have been claiming, off and on, for as long as I've been watching NBA hoops.

Then you didn’t watch the NBA during the 90’s when it was a brawl.


I’m enjoying Derrick Rose’s comments...”but for real, who really plays defense in the NBA?”

https://streamable.com/9iki8


Some guy named Wesley Matthews last year was asked...should see his response.  All these actual players saying the same thing about defense, offense is what NBA wants, defense discouraged or penalized, etc.  Must be a union thing that they all have the same talking points...LOL.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: tower912 on November 26, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
Dumb.  I remember the Bad Boys Pistons, the Bulls, the Knicks turning playoff games into first to 80 slogs.  Then, the NBA changed the rules and legislated that kind of physicality out of the game.   The simple fact is that the average and above NBA player is too talented to be guarded 1 on 1 in space without hand checking except by the exceptional defenders.
NBA players play defense.   Against the best in the world.   Without being permitted to be physical.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 10:46:29 AM
Dumb.  I remember the Bad Boys Pistons, the Bulls, the Knicks turning playoff games into firstrst to 80 slogs.  Then, the NBA changed the rules and legislated that kind of physicality out of the game.   The simple fact is that the average and above NBA player is too talented to be guarded 1 on 1 in space without hand checking except by the exceptional defenders.
NBA players play defense.   Against the best in the world.   Without being permitted to be physical.

Yep.

Then you didn’t watch the NBA during the 90’s when it was a brawl.

Not sure which "you" you're talking about. I didn't say it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 26, 2019, 10:50:44 AM
Then you didn’t watch the NBA during the 90’s when it was a brawl.

And also bad basketball.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
And also bad basketball.

Seriously? Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Ewing, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, Thomas, Miller, Robinson,  etc. the 90s were probably the deepest collection of all time players in their primes of any era. It wasn't as offensively pretty if that's what you mean by bad basketball because the rules were different.

Edit: Shaq reasonably belongs on that list before you start hitting the great but not all timers portion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 26, 2019, 06:21:26 PM
Seriously? Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Ewing, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, Thomas, Miller, Robinson,  etc. the 90s were probably the deepest collection of all time players in their primes of any era. It wasn't as offensively pretty if that's what you mean by bad basketball because the rules were different.

Edit: Shaq reasonably belongs on that list before you start hitting the great but not all timers portion.

You answered your own question.
I didn't say bad basketball players. I said bad basketball. Slow pace, lots of fouls, ridiculous amount of hand-checking, etc.
I say all these as a Bulls fans who loved every moment of their dynasty. But man, how much more fund would Jordan, Pippen. etc., been if they didn't have to put up with muggings by the Pistons and Knicks?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
And also bad basketball.

I didn’t care for it either, but they did play defense then at a rate nowhere close to the level today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 06:44:04 PM
As you're wont to do, you're shifting goalposts again.
You started this by claiming "NBA defense is a joke" and that NBA players lack the effort, desire and attitude of college players.
That very bad, provably false argument has now changed into something entirely different, that "NBA rules favor offense" (like the rules in every other sport) and "some players aren't good on defense" (like the players in every other sport).

Should take this to mean that you admit you were wrong about NBA players' effort, desire and attitude?

Nope

I am saying both.  Endless examples of guys literally not trying...low effort.  AND also, NBA rules and emphasis push offense, which in turn feeds part A again because why the need to try as hard on defense if the NBA is going to make it so difficult, rack up fouls for breathing on someone, etc.   Sorry, not demonstrably false....there is a reason why so many guys are saying things....different things...but all coming to the conclusion that defense is an after thought in the NBA currently.  Rudy Gay another one.  The quotes, videos, etc just keep on coming....I’m in a sharing mood....
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 26, 2019, 06:53:07 PM
I didn’t care for it either,  it they did play defense then at a rate nowhere close to the level today.

80% of that is because rules have changed. The other 20% is due to innovative offensive basketball. 0% due to change in player effort.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 26, 2019, 06:55:17 PM
Nope

I am saying both.  Endless examples of guys literally not trying...low effort.  AND also, NBA rules and emphasis push offense, which in turn feeds part A again because why the need to try as hard on defense if the NBA is going to make it so difficult, rack up fouls for breathing on someone, etc.   Aorry, not demonstrably false....there is a reason why so many guys are saying things....different things...but all coming to the conclusion that defense is an after thought in the NBA currently.  Rudy Gay another one.  The quotes, videos, etc just keep on coming....I’m in a sharing mood....

Former players saying current players aren’t doing the right things are worn and tired...and largely inaccurate.

So provide all the quotes you want. It doesn’t prove anything.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
Former players saying current players aren’t doing the right things are worn and tired...and largely inaccurate.

So provide all the quotes you want. It doesn’t prove anything.

Come on, man. ALL former players and/or older players always played killer defense every second they were on the court. Barkley, Dirk, Iceman, Pistol Pete ... they never took a single defensive possession off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
80% of that is because rules have changed. The other 20% is due to innovative offensive basketball. 0% due to change in player effort.

0%...LOL. 


Kyrie Irving didn’t say anything about effort...he said, “There’s no defense. There’s just none. We got into a Utah-Boston game and it’s [98-86] and you can see the difference in effort in every single night, which I get from an NBA player’s standpoint, the amount of games we play, but sometimes you have to make guys miss.“

Lebron James was destroyed here locally for his “lack of effort defensively” with the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: reinko on November 26, 2019, 09:01:09 PM
Seriously? Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Ewing, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, Thomas, Miller, Robinson,  etc. the 90s were probably the deepest collection of all time players in their primes of any era. It wasn't as offensively pretty if that's what you mean by bad basketball because the rules were different.

Edit: Shaq reasonably belongs on that list before you start hitting the great but not all timers portion.

Lol



Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 09:26:57 PM
0%...LOL. 


Kyrie Irving didn’t say anything about effort...he said, “There’s no defense. There’s just none. We got into a Utah-Boston game and it’s [98-86] and you can see the difference in effort in every single night, which I get from an NBA player’s standpoint, the amount of games we play, but sometimes you have to make guys miss.“

Lebron James was destroyed here locally for his “lack of effort defensively” with the Lakers.

Wait ... I thought it wasn't about "effort." Which is it?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 27, 2019, 05:39:49 AM
Seriously? Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Ewing, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, Thomas, Miller, Robinson,  etc. the 90s were probably the deepest collection of all time players in their primes of any era. It wasn't as offensively pretty if that's what you mean by bad basketball because the rules were different.

Edit: Shaq reasonably belongs on that list before you start hitting the great but not all timers portion.

No the basketball sucked. Little ball movement. Isolation ball dominated. Defensive mugging allowed.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on November 27, 2019, 09:30:34 AM
0%...LOL. 


Kyrie Irving didn’t say anything about effort...he said, “There’s no defense. There’s just none. We got into a Utah-Boston game and it’s [98-86] and you can see the difference in effort in every single night, which I get from an NBA player’s standpoint, the amount of games we play, but sometimes you have to make guys miss.“

Lebron James was destroyed here locally for his “lack of effort defensively” with the Lakers.

Don't misconstrue what I said for your BS narrative.  I said Lebron James, he of chasedown block fame and 5x Defensive First Team, didn't try on defense last year cause his team sucked, he was pouting, and he didn't like the squad.  Of course you use that to bang the dumb drum of no effort and no defense.  Find a quote thats not pissed off at the end of a game and stop cherry picking deceiving material.  But you can't, cause thats your game.  Might want to name drop an NBA talent you had a meeting with who supports your point, those are always fun!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 27, 2019, 09:55:35 AM
Wait ... I thought it wasn't about "effort." Which is it?

I’ll put the first part in teal for clarity
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 27, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
Don't misconstrue what I said for your BS narrative.  I said Lebron James, he of chasedown block fame and 5x Defensive First Team, didn't try on defense last year cause his team sucked, he was pouting, and he didn't like the squad.  Of course you use that to bang the dumb drum of no effort and no defense.  Find a quote thats not pissed off at the end of a game and stop cherry picking deceiving material.  But you can't, cause thats your game.  Might want to name drop an NBA talent you had a meeting with who supports your point, those are always fun!

I see, quotes by nba players that don’t fit your point of view do not count or have a * around them because they are said at the end of a game (Draymond Green’s wasn’t at the end of a game nor was Wesley Matthews)...got it.   Classic.   So strange that so many guys come to the same conclusion...weird.  I didn’t even bother posting quotes from GM’s, several coaches and other players saying the same things.

I think the most fun I have is with this logical fallacy...you know the one...the offensive skills and athleticism is so great today that it over power the defensive “effort”.  Think about that for a second.  Apparently all that great athleticism of today doesn’t also benefit defense?  It’s a one way street?  Lol. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 27, 2019, 11:04:52 AM
I see, quotes by nba players that don’t fit your point of view do not count or have a * around them because they are said at the end of a game (Draymond Green’s wasn’t at the end of a game nor was Wesley Matthews)...got it.   Classic.   So strange that so many guys come to the same conclusion...weird.  I didn’t even bother posting quotes from GM’s, several coaches and other players saying the same things.

I think the most fun I have is with this logical fallacy...you know the one...the offensive skills and athleticism is so great today that it over power the defensive “effort”.  Think about that for a second.  Apparently all that great athleticism of today doesn’t also benefit defense?  It’s a one way street?  Lol. 

I’m trying to figure out if you are actually this dumb or just playing dumb. What players are allowed to do on defense has changed. This has been explained multiple times here.

But you’ll continue with the narrative come hell or high water because that’s what you do. It’s the only thing you do here. Antagonize.

So congrats on that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUBurrow on November 27, 2019, 11:18:02 AM
No the basketball sucked. Little ball movement. Isolation ball dominated. Defensive mugging allowed.

Just chiming in to preemptively and gratuitously defend The Dream. Dude would have been an all-timer if he had been shooting into a peach basket, guarding Kareem, playing against Magic and Bird, in the 90s, or today. He embarrassed young Shaq for years, and if he played today would be Joel Embiid-plus. Made it look pretty at a time when it all looked ugly.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on November 27, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
I think the most fun I have is with this logical fallacy...you know the one...the offensive skills and athleticism is so great today that it over power the defensive “effort”.  Think about that for a second.  Apparently all that great athleticism of today doesn’t also benefit defense?  It’s a one way street?  Lol.

The irony here is that you wrongly assert one thing as a logical fallacy while at the same time offering a logical fallacy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: WarriorDad on November 27, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
As a fan of the NBA and college basketball they each have their strengths and weaknesses.  NBA players pace themselves in games, and at times that means a less vigorous attempt at defense.  When the time is right, they turn it on. 

Pippen called out Lebron’s lack of effort last year in a public way.  In the college game, that player would be yanked and benched.  In the pro game, it doesn’t happen.  This may be why some fans prefer one version over another.  The NBA is a players league.  College basketball is a coaches league. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on November 27, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
I’m trying to figure out if you are actually this dumb or just playing dumb. What players are allowed to do on defense has changed. This has been explained multiple times here.

But you’ll continue with the narrative come hell or high water because that’s what you do. It’s the only thing you do here. Antagonize.

So congrats on that.

What I can't understand is why you don't acknowledge that it is both, which I have done.  Yes, the rules have changed where you can no longer play defense like you used to....offense is emphasized.  BUT ALSO, the effort, etc are ALSO not there.  Why is this so hard for you to understand when actual players, coaches, GMs and fans own eyes are saying this?  Why do you dig in with your narrative, come high water...it's the only thing you do here.

So congrats on that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 05, 2019, 05:31:02 PM
This uncalled travel against James was fantastic (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-explains-how-he-malfunctioned-on-that-hilarious-missed-travel-call-in-the-lakers-jazz-game/?fbclid=IwAR1t73-FMqRvDWBmZv06TZtDI0P9p5myCeXofkM-y5dzkSKzOusOgPNiIf8).  Oops.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2019, 10:40:49 PM
This uncalled travel against James was fantastic (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-explains-how-he-malfunctioned-on-that-hilarious-missed-travel-call-in-the-lakers-jazz-game/?fbclid=IwAR1t73-FMqRvDWBmZv06TZtDI0P9p5myCeXofkM-y5dzkSKzOusOgPNiIf8).  Oops.

Yeah, saw that on ESPN. Incredible.

In the ref's defense ...

I have called games in which a kid double-dribbled right in front of me, but it happened fast and the first instinct is to not believe what happened was what really happened.

Then again, LeBron is not a kid, and the ref who was 15 feet away from him is theoretically one of the best in the world. I'm slightly lower than that level - ha!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
Yeah, saw that on ESPN. Incredible.

In the ref's defense ...

I have called games in which a kid double-dribbled right in front of me, but it happened fast and the first instinct is to not believe what happened was what really happened.

Then again, LeBron is not a kid, and the ref who was 15 feet away from him is theoretically one of the best in the world. I'm slightly lower than that level - ha!

This didn’t happen fast, at all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2019, 08:40:57 AM
This didn’t happen fast, at all.

That too!

It was like a slo-mo double-dribble. Crazy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 08:52:22 AM
The announcer also not noticing.  No defense of the ref...it was just ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/o6AcGoc1E4w

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Kawhi should’ve load managed tonight. Sad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
Kawhi should’ve load managed tonight. Sad.

Best way to load manage? Keep blowing teams out. Plus have a deep bench. GA has had a lot of low minute games this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2019, 10:14:49 PM
40 point lead in 3 consecutive games.

Also, tied NBA record with 4 consecutive wins by 24 or more points.

Great time to be a sports fan in Wisconsin!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Mutaman on December 06, 2019, 11:30:58 PM

Butler with his second triple double in the past few days.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 12:05:22 PM
Best way to load manage? Keep blowing teams out. Plus have a deep bench. GA has had a lot of low minute games this year.

We'll stated.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: jsglow on December 07, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Best way to load manage? Keep blowing teams out. Plus have a deep bench. GA has had a lot of low minute games this year.

Last night's game smelled like championship basketball to me.  Every single man embracing his role at both ends of the floor. Doc waved the white flag 3 minutes into the 4th in a 'we're not worthy' gesture.  Simply outstanding.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 02:38:48 PM
Dey were gettin' ass whupped on both ends. MKE is bedder in all aspects of a basketball team. Butt, two bee totally objective, LA's on a road trip and da Deer were waitin' on 'em, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 07, 2019, 02:45:32 PM
Dey were gettin' ass whupped on both ends. MKE is bedder in all aspects of a basketball team. Butt, two bee totally objective, LA's on a road trip and da Deer were waitin' on 'em, hey?

Bucks are better right now regardless of where they were playing. But the two best players for the Clippers were on different teams last year and one just started playing within the last couple of weeks. They’ll be much better come May and June. Will they be better than the Bucks, Lakers, Nuggets, Celtics, etc.? We’ll see. I still think they have the best roster in the NBA. Definitely needs to come around though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 03:46:12 PM
Have ya checked out the Bucks roster? Pretty damn good complementary playas. Loaded with good shootas and even sum of da honkies have hops, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 07, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
Have ya checked out the Bucks roster? Pretty damn good complementary playas. Loaded with good shootas and even sum of da honkies have hops, aina?

The Bucks roster is awesome but come playoff time it’s less about the 2nd man off the bench and more about the second star. Lakers and Clippers win that big over the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Pretty much always dat wey, high school, college, or pro. Neither Leonard nor George did stink last nite. Giannis wuz the 1st and 2nd star. Eye'm knot a big fan of #22, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 07, 2019, 04:18:31 PM
Dey were gettin' ass whupped on both ends. MKE is bedder in all aspects of a basketball team. Butt, two bee totally objective, LA's on a road trip and da Deer were waitin' on 'em, hey?

in all fairness doc, this was the 1st game of the road trip having had 2 days off between...unless they uber'd it, shoulda been plenty of time to get their blows, eyn'a?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 04:23:30 PM
Watts da board's average time ta get one's blows, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on December 13, 2019, 09:07:10 PM
Does any league hate its star player as much as the league officials hate Giannis?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUDish on December 13, 2019, 09:24:30 PM
This Bulls team is so bad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 06:39:18 AM
Does any league hate its star player as much as the league officials hate Giannis?


Yeah I don't see it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2019, 10:22:10 AM

Yeah I don't see it.

Agreed. I think Giannis is very fairly treated by the refs. He spends a lot of time at the line. Giannis initiates contact on an awful lot of his drives and still gets foul calls.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
After watching Tyler Herro last night, I realized why the Hausers didn't want to play with him. He is so much better than either. They want to be the stars of the team, which is why they couldn't deal with MH either.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 04:33:53 PM
After watching Tyler Herro last night, I realized why the Hausers didn't want to play with him. He is so much better than either. They want to be the stars of the team, which is why they couldn't deal with MH either.

Yep, it would have been great to have Herro for one year on the Warriors. But when Sam and Joey (and probably mommy and daddy) gave an "us or them" edict to Wojo, it was a no-brainer for the coach to not go after Herro.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2019, 05:17:22 PM
In retrospect Nads, a near fatal mistake, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: reinko on December 14, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
After watching Tyler Herro last night, I realized why the Hausers didn't want to play with him. He is so much better than either. They want to be the stars of the team, which is why they couldn't deal with MH either.

Is it confirmed both Hausers felt this way?  The tea leaves on Scoop leaned toward only one of them felt this way.  I may have missed something though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 06:52:53 PM
Yep, it would have been great to have Herro for one year on the Warriors. But when Sam and Joey (and probably mommy and daddy) gave an "us or them" edict to Wojo, it was a no-brainer for the coach to not go after Herro.

Yup. 

People blame Wojo for not keeping team together with MH and Hausers....yet some want Herro to be here with Hausers?  How is that possible?

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
20/20 hindsite, ya pik Tyler 💯% over ova da Point bros., aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
Der only playin' da lowly Cadavers tonite, but da Dear can flat out shoot it, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
20/20 hindsite, ya pik Tyler 💯% over ova da Point bros., aina?

But that der choice wazn't an option doh, aiina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 09:54:32 PM
In retrospect Nads, a near fatal mistake, aina?

How, Doc?

If Wojo got Herro, your precious Hausers would have gone a year earlier (or Joey might never even have shown up). Are you actually claiming that last year's team, with Herro and Markus in the backcourt but no Hausers in the frontcourt, would have had more success than they did? Herro couldn't even help a Kentucky team loaded with top-30 talent and coached by Calipari beat a 5-seed in the Elite Eight.

How was the mistake "nearly fatal"? The thing many of us feared most (I know I did) -- that Hausershima would hurt Wojo's future recruiting -- never materialized. His first recruiting class after it is top 10 in the nation. It would appear to have been the opposite of "near fatal."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 09:57:36 PM
Wojo recruited and offered Herro before he went to UW.  When he decommited from UW, there was zero chance he was coming to Marquette.  Wojo would have been pissing in the wind spending time on him.  To pretend otherwise is foolish.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 16, 2019, 05:29:00 PM
Wojo recruited and offered Herro before he went to UW.  When he decommited from UW, there was zero chance he was coming to Marquette.  Wojo would have been pissing in the wind spending time on him.  To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Wasn't the Herro's dad account on here constantly saying MU should be recruiting him after the UW decommit? Or am I totally misremembering?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on December 16, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
20/20 hindsite, ya pik Tyler 💯% over ova da Point bros., aina?

Nah.
3 years of Sam + 1 year of Joey > 1 year of Herro.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 16, 2019, 05:48:41 PM
Nah.
3 years of Sam + 1 year of Joey > 1 year of Herro.

*1.5 years of Joey
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 16, 2019, 06:02:32 PM
Wasn't the Herro's dad account on here constantly saying MU should be recruiting him after the UW decommit? Or am I totally misremembering?

There were two very clear trolls. No actual indication either was a relative but people were calling them mr herro
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Cheeks on December 17, 2019, 09:10:50 AM
Mavericks take some shine off of Thursday’s game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 17, 2019, 09:57:10 AM
Mavericks take some shine off of Thursday’s game.

Not really.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
Bledsoe is so important to what the Bucks run on both sides of the ball
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: baumu on December 17, 2019, 11:47:41 AM
Mavericks take some shine off of Thursday’s game.

Nope
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2019, 11:49:51 AM
Bledsoe is so important to what the Bucks run on both sides of the ball


Very underappreciated player.  Really has grown nicely under Bud.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2019, 11:56:17 AM
Dey kan due bedder dan Bledsoe. Dude's   
pulled a Houdini last too yeers in da postseesun, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on December 17, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Dey kan due bedder dan Bledsoe. Dude's   
pulled a Houdini last too yeers in da postseesun, hey?

Herd lotsa da same thangs about Lowry beefour last seezun. If he craps da bedd dis year eye'll bee wit ya.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2019, 12:19:19 PM

Very underappreciated player.  Really has grown nicely under Bud.

Yep. Their defensive scheme is built to fight through screens and funnel things towards Lopez which Bledsoe is elite at. And their offensive scheme is obviously dribble penetration and kick/swing for open 3s. Bledsoe is the only guy on the bucks who can consistently get penetration other than Giannis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
"Bledsoe is the only guy on the bucks who can consistently get penetration other than Giannis."



Den da hole teem gots lottas problems, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 17, 2019, 03:40:45 PM
The Bucks are 24-4. They’re okay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
"Bledsoe is the only guy on the bucks who can consistently get penetration other than Giannis."



Den da hole teem gots lottas problems, hey?

In the playoffs, maybe.

For the regular season? Too much depth and too many floor spacers for it to be a real concern.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on December 17, 2019, 08:45:08 PM
Pacers taking away some of the shine of the Bucks vs. Lakers game Thursday hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: jsglow on December 22, 2019, 08:59:49 PM
Pacers taking away some of the shine of the Bucks vs. Lakers game Thursday hey?

Nah.  The Bucks just crushed both of them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2019, 12:15:57 AM
Is it confirmed both Hausers felt this way?  The tea leaves on Scoop leaned toward only one of them felt this way.  I may have missed something though.

Confirmed? LOL Other than the fact that they transferred, virtually nothing has been confirmed. Tons of speculation (mostly illogical) and plenty of outright BS, very few (any?) facts. It's the Scoop way.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2019, 07:33:13 AM
Confirmed? LOL Other than the fact that they transferred, virtually nothing has been confirmed. Tons of speculation (mostly illogical) and plenty of outright BS, very few (any?) facts. It's the Scoop way.

Agreed, Lenny. For the record, though, plenty of mostly illogical speculation by both the Wojo Defenders/Hauser Bashers and the Hauser Defenders/Wojo Bashers.

Now ... back to the NBA ...

Since Nov. 6, Giannis has made 37% of his 3-pointers, with at least 1 in each of the 23 games. Scary, given all the other incredible skills he has.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on December 23, 2019, 09:16:26 AM
Agreed, Lenny. For the record, though, plenty of mostly illogical speculation by both the Wojo Defenders/Hauser Bashers and the Hauser Defenders/Wojo Bashers.

Now ... back to the NBA ...

Since Nov. 6, Giannis has made 37% of his 3-pointers, with at least 1 in each of the 23 games. Scary, given all the other incredible skills he has.

A lot still to play out in a long season, but at this exact moment, this Bucks team is one of the most terrifying regular season teams in recent memory. No superstars beyond Giannis, but they just fit so well. Require tremendous execution from deep to beat them. Even in their recent loss to the Mavs (yeah, I know, no Luka), the Bucks lost by 4 in a game where Dallas shot lights out and players not named Giannis shot like Derrick Wilson.

Fun team basketball happening in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: jsglow on December 23, 2019, 09:44:40 AM
A lot still to play out in a long season, but at this exact moment, this Bucks team is one of the most terrifying regular season teams in recent memory. No superstars beyond Giannis, but they just fit so well. Require tremendous execution from deep to beat them. Even in their recent loss to the Mavs (yeah, I know, no Luka), the Bucks lost by 4 in a game where Dallas shot lights out and players not named Giannis shot like Derrick Wilson.

Fun team basketball happening in Milwaukee.

I honestly think they surpass the all-time Bucks winning record of 66-16 assuming no long term injuries to key players.  Of course with a team this good it all comes down to May/June.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2019, 09:52:52 AM
Rooting for the Bucks to win it all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on December 23, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
A lot still to play out in a long season, but at this exact moment, this Bucks team is one of the most terrifying regular season teams in recent memory. No superstars beyond Giannis, but they just fit so well. Require tremendous execution from deep to beat them. Even in their recent loss to the Mavs (yeah, I know, no Luka), the Bucks lost by 4 in a game where Dallas shot lights out and players not named Giannis shot like Derrick Wilson.

Fun team basketball happening in Milwaukee.

The Lakers game was a prime example.  The Lakers pushed with mini runs to bring it into single digits and the Bucks always had an answer, and it wasn't just Giannis.  They are just such a solid overall unit
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on January 14, 2020, 10:06:59 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/FSIndiana/status/1216912927279632384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-29656565952475115345.ampproject.net%2F1912180046560%2Fframe.html

This is pretty good.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 18, 2020, 05:33:12 PM
Kinda diggin’ this court in Brooklyn.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on January 18, 2020, 05:36:45 PM
Kinda diggin’ this court in Brooklyn.

I do not enjoy it. Too much grey.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 18, 2020, 05:41:13 PM
I do not enjoy it. Too much grey.

I think I would feel the same if I watched it every night.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Markusquette on January 18, 2020, 05:59:43 PM
That's the best court in the league. Muted with nice contrast to their white unis. Easy on the eyes. Coogi theme on the baselines and center logo. It's fresh.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Iz it just mee, orr due Bender and Bledsoe have gray shorts on, and not green, hey?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Markusquette on January 18, 2020, 06:03:48 PM
Iz it just mee, orr due Bender and Bledsoe have gray shorts on, and not green, hey?
They definitely do.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on January 28, 2020, 10:10:49 PM
Giannis sits.  Bucks give up 131...and win by 20.

No Giannis.  Bledsoe goes for 34, 10, and 6...and is a side note.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 29, 2020, 06:56:47 AM
Bucks have the best shooting team assembled in the Association, possibly ever. Nearly impossible to beat in a 7 game series. The only way they don't win the whole shebang is a key injury or a few come down with a case of the yips, aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on January 29, 2020, 08:05:29 AM
Bucks have the best shooting team assembled in the Association, possibly ever. Nearly impossible to beat in a 7 game series. The only way they don't win the whole shebang is a key injury or a few come down with a case of the yips, aina?

Yup.  If Middleton and Bledsoe play at 80% of what they are in the regular season instead of 40% of what they are in the regular season (like they've done in the past) this team wins the Title.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 29, 2020, 08:23:53 AM
I hope so.  Just worried that depth doesn't mean as much in the playoffs, and the Bucks bench is as good as any.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 29, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
Giannis sits.  Bucks give up 131...and win by 20.

No Giannis.  Bledsoe goes for 34, 10, and 6...and is a side note.
Bucks better without Giannis?
1.00 W/L % without him
A lowly 86% W/L % with him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 29, 2020, 09:02:36 AM
Bucks better without Giannis?
1.00 W/L % without him
A lowly 86% W/L % with him.


LOL...yeah.  Look who they play when they rest him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
Bucks have the best shooting team assembled in the Association, possibly ever. Nearly impossible to beat in a 7 game series. The only way they don't win the whole shebang is a key injury or a few come down with a case of the yips, aina?

Ever?  Come on man.  They are really fricken good, but they aren't better than the recent Warriors teams with the Big 3.  Especially when you add a guy like Iggy who shot the same percentage from deep as someone like Matthews, and had an eFG in the 55-60% range.  Gotta hope someone like Hill, who is close to 15% above his career average from deep, doesn't come back to earth.

That being said, Bucks are incredible and fun to watch though.  When they are really clicking, I don't know how they don't rampage through the East.  Truly, especially in a 7 game series.  Just gotta stay healthy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on January 29, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
Ever?  Come on man.  They are really fricken good, but they aren't better than the recent Warriors teams with the Big 3.  Especially when you add a guy like Iggy who shot the same percentage from deep as someone like Matthews, and had an eFG in the 55-60% range.  Gotta hope someone like Hill, who is close to 15% above his career average from deep, doesn't come back to earth.

That being said, Bucks are incredible and fun to watch though.  When they are really clicking, I don't know how they don't rampage through the East.  Truly, especially in a 7 game series.  Just gotta stay healthy.

I agree. The Bucks are so deep that they can outlast teams in the rehilarious season by overwhelming second units. I worry when rotations shorten, they could be more at risk against a strong starting 5.

Also, we will see if Giannis changes from last year with teams collapsing in the lane on him once it became more of a half court game.

The good news is most of their losses are when teams shoot out of their minds from 3. That is a tough thing to rely to happen 4 times in a 7 game series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: jsglow on January 29, 2020, 01:38:17 PM
One of the things the Bucks really seem to have going for them is everyone literally down to the 15th man is absolutely embracing their role.  But when the best player in the league is as humble as Giannis, can you imagine the blow back any malcontent would get?  Let's also not forget that they are incredibly well coached.  Stay healthy boys.  Long time until it counts in May and June.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: hairy worthen on January 29, 2020, 02:08:04 PM
Ever?  Come on man.  They are really fricken good, but they aren't better than the recent Warriors teams with the Big 3.  Especially when you add a guy like Iggy who shot the same percentage from deep as someone like Matthews, and had an eFG in the 55-60% range.  Gotta hope someone like Hill, who is close to 15% above his career average from deep, doesn't come back to earth.

That being said, Bucks are incredible and fun to watch though.  When they are really clicking, I don't know how they don't rampage through the East.  Truly, especially in a 7 game series.  Just gotta stay healthy.

I don't know, 4ever wasn't spewing hyperbole.

This Bucks team is on pace to win over 70 games that's rare air. 
Also their over 12 points a game margin of victory is near the best ever.
They have scored 100 points or more in over 70 games in a row, I believe, second best ever. 

If this team was in New York or La they would be getting run as possibly the best ever regular season team to date, still a long way to go.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
I don't know, 4ever wasn't spewing hyperbole.

This Bucks team is on pace to win over 70 games that's rare air. 
Also their over 12 points a game margin of victory is near the best ever.
They have scored 100 points or more in over 70 games in a row, I believe, second best ever. 

If this team was in New York or La they would be getting run as the best ever regular season team to date, still a long way to go.

He said best shooting team ever assembled. That’s all I was objecting to. Not the overall dominance of the team in totality, which is undeniable
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 29, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
He said best shooting team ever assembled. That’s all I was objecting to. Not the overall dominance of the team in totality, which is undeniable

Statistically, this Bucks team only trails the 2016-17 and 2017-18 team in terms of EFG: .564 v. .561

The 2018-19 Golden State team also finished at .561

In terms of three point shooting, this Bucks team isn't even in the top ten THIS year. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: hairy worthen on January 29, 2020, 02:33:42 PM
He said best shooting team ever assembled. That’s all I was objecting to. Not the overall dominance of the team in totality, which is undeniable
Ok, yes I would agree but it is pretty close.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 29, 2020, 02:49:37 PM
For the record, I said "possibly ever," aina?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2020, 02:58:53 PM
At this point I do not think anyone can beat the Buck's in a seven game series. As noted, only way to beat them is to outshoot them and that can be done from time to time, but not in seven game series. If they stay healthy and do not win the whole thing I will be disappointed. That said, the death of Kobe has me worried about the Lakers. I could see them swinging for the fences to win it for Kobe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: hairy worthen on January 29, 2020, 03:35:15 PM
At this point I do not think anyone can beat the Buck's in a seven game series. As noted, only way to beat them is to outshoot them and that can be done from time to time, but not in seven game series. If they stay healthy and do not win the whole thing I will be disappointed. That said, the death of Kobe has me worried about the Lakers. I could see them swinging for the fences to win it for Kobe.
I dont think Lakers are even second best team in west. They do not have the depth to get it done. That will bite them in the ass in a long season and playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on January 29, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Khris has been really good this year, but he turns it up a notch when Giannis is out. They aren't exactly complementary talents, so it's fun to watch when Khris is given the keys. Dude can score from wherever he wants
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 30, 2020, 08:53:02 AM
Khris has been really good this year, but he turns it up a notch when Giannis is out. They aren't exactly complementary talents, so it's fun to watch when Khris is given the keys. Dude can score from wherever he wants


How are they not complementary? 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
The other day, Draymond Green dribbled the ball inbounds instead of passing it in. Green has always been considered a guy with great Bkb IQ, but he and Kerr could do nothing but laugh after ref blew his whistle.

Barkley recently had a great line about Green, who was known for trash talking.

"He does s lot less talking now that he's averaging a triple-single for a terrible team."
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jay Bee on February 06, 2020, 12:31:31 PM
No idea who is on what team
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 06, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
No idea who is on what team

The ones with the same color uniform are on the same team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Sir Lawrence on February 08, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Bucks may be picking up Marvin Williams:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28659756/sources-bucks-clearing-space-sign-marvin-williams

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 08, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
Nearly 15 years after the Bucks considered drafting him #1 overall in 2005.  They chose Bogut.  Williams went to Atlanta #2.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
All y'all Bucks fans got a hell of a guy in Marvin Williams.

Super smart, a real leader, and the exact opposite of "ego-driven." He's obviously lost a step or three, but he is very good at positional defense, and he's a connect-the-dot guy on offense. He's what every teammate he's ever had calls a "true professional."

I think he still has a little left in the tank, and I hope so because the Bucks would really benefit if he does.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on February 10, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
All y'all Bucks fans got a hell of a guy in Marvin Williams.

Super smart, a real leader, and the exact opposite of "ego-driven." He's obviously lost a step or three, but he is very good at positional defense, and he's a connect-the-dot guy on offense. He's what every teammate he's ever had calls a "true professional."

I think he still has a little left in the tank, and I hope so because the Bucks would really benefit if he does.

Cool to see. I think he'll fit in nicely. Any defensive deficiencies he might have as he ages tends to get cleaned up by how well Brook Lopez is playing inside. Certainly has more defensive prowess than Ersan (charges notwithstanding)
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on February 10, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
All y'all Bucks fans got a hell of a guy in Marvin Williams.

Super smart, a real leader, and the exact opposite of "ego-driven." He's obviously lost a step or three, but he is very good at positional defense, and he's a connect-the-dot guy on offense. He's what every teammate he's ever had calls a "true professional."

I think he still has a little left in the tank, and I hope so because the Bucks would really benefit if he does.

Was actually having a discussion about him earlier in the season with a buddy of mine.  People had been inclined to label him a "bust" of sorts earlier in his career, cause he didn't have the kind of career people expect out of a top 2 pick.  They ignore that he was super raw and wasn't even a top 3 option on that 2005 UNC champ team. He's been a pretty consistent player, aside from a bad fit his short time in Utah, and developed in the NBA.  I think he also unfortunately played on pretty bad teams his whole career.  He's been a good 10-5 guy who has improved his shooting over the last decade actually turned into a nice 3pt option the last few years.  I think he should actually fit in very well.

Unrelated, unfortunately he's been getting attention for a very justified outburst at officials after that joke of a finish in the Blazers-Jazz game, but Dame Lillard has been absolutely unconscious.  In 2020, hes averaging 35-5-8 a game and a stupid 46% from 3.  Over his last 10 games?  42 a game and 52% from 3.  Thats including 2 games where he went 1-6 and 3-9 and scored 21 and 26 respectively.  Take those out, 46 and 55% from 3 over his last 8.  Thats just video game mode.  He's probably my favorite player in the league when he goes nuclear, just must watch TV.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2020, 10:27:33 PM
Was actually having a discussion about him earlier in the season with a buddy of mine.  People had been inclined to label him a "bust" of sorts earlier in his career, cause he didn't have the kind of career people expect out of a top 2 pick.  They ignore that he was super raw and wasn't even a top 3 option on that 2005 UNC champ team. He's been a pretty consistent player, aside from a bad fit his short time in Utah, and developed in the NBA.  I think he also unfortunately played on pretty bad teams his whole career.  He's been a good 10-5 guy who has improved his shooting over the last decade actually turned into a nice 3pt option the last few years.  I think he should actually fit in very well.

Unrelated, unfortunately he's been getting attention for a very justified outburst at officials after that joke of a finish in the Blazers-Jazz game, but Dame Lillard has been absolutely unconscious.  In 2020, hes averaging 35-5-8 a game and a stupid 46% from 3.  Over his last 10 games?  42 a game and 52% from 3.  Thats including 2 games where he went 1-6 and 3-9 and scored 21 and 26 respectively.  Take those out, 46 and 55% from 3 over his last 8.  Thats just video game mode.  He's probably my favorite player in the league when he goes nuclear, just must watch TV.

Lillard has been ridiculous. I always liked watching him play, and he's taken his game to another level.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on February 16, 2020, 11:41:03 PM
Fun 4th quarter of All-Star Game. Guys played hard.

I like that they named the MVP award after Kobe. Kawhi showed real emotion after winning it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on February 17, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
Fun 4th quarter of All-Star Game. Guys played hard.

I like that they named the MVP award after Kobe. Kawhi showed real emotion after winning it.

I love the idea of that format, and it was successful. But I do think it's hard for the refs to adjust from lob-show to playoff intensity from one quarter to the next.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on February 17, 2020, 09:24:22 AM
Fun 4th quarter of All-Star Game. Guys played hard.

I like that they named the MVP award after Kobe. Kawhi showed real emotion after winning it.

The irony of a guy who just sat out an entire season to force his way out of a city he won a championship with, one of the best run franchises in the history of the NBA with one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport coaching it, because he didn't think they could attract the start talent he needed next to him to win titles, who now requires about 20% of his season be "load management" to save himself for the Playoffs, winning the "Koby Bryant All Star MVP Award" (which, in my opinion, the Koby tributes were overkill, but that's another argument) is not lost on me.  Koby ran stars out of town because he couldn't stand sharing the glory, and then went out and won Titles with lesser talent.  I'd also love to hear Koby talk about the idea of "load management."  A guy who went and shot his free throws after he tore his achilles and shot the ball left handed the rest of a game when he messed up his right shoulder mid game.

Someone like Giannis or Westbrook (whose game I can't stand, but at least I can respect that he would go hard playing against a bunch of old men at a YMCA if he walked into one) are the type of players Koby was.  Kawhi?  Nah.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 17, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Had it on for a couple of minutes early on. It was tough to watch. Flipped!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on February 17, 2020, 09:45:37 AM
I wonder if anyone does a time study today to determine which was longer - the National Anthem or the Irishman.

Somewhere today, Rosanne is rolling over in her grave laughing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 17, 2020, 09:55:02 AM
I wonder if anyone does a time study today to determine which was longer - the National Anthem or the Irishman.

Somewhere today, Rosanne is rolling over in her grave laughing.


Not to mention, it is really an awful song.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on February 17, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
The irony of a guy who just sat out an entire season to force his way out of a city he won a championship with, one of the best run franchises in the history of the NBA with one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport coaching it, because he didn't think they could attract the start talent he needed next to him to win titles, who now requires about 20% of his season be "load management" to save himself for the Playoffs, winning the "Koby Bryant All Star MVP Award" (which, in my opinion, the Koby tributes were overkill, but that's another argument) is not lost on me.  Koby ran stars out of town because he couldn't stand sharing the glory, and then went out and won Titles with lesser talent.  I'd also love to hear Koby talk about the idea of "load management."  A guy who went and shot his free throws after he tore his achilles and shot the ball left handed the rest of a game when he messed up his right shoulder mid game.

Someone like Giannis or Westbrook (whose game I can't stand, but at least I can respect that he would go hard playing against a bunch of old men at a YMCA if he walked into one) are the type of players Koby was.  Kawhi?  Nah.

First ... Kobe. (Sorry to be that guy ... but c'mon wades!)

I forgot the game was on and didn't start watching until about halfway through the fourth quarter. But yes, the Kobe tributes have been way over the top in general. At least it made sense to do one (or even a couple) at the NBA ASG just a few weeks after he died.

I respect the hell out of Leonard's talent, but he leaves a little to be desired as a "face of a franchise" guy. I love the fact that Toronto is winning without him; even though I like Rivers, it would be funny as hell if the Raptors got back to the Finals but Leonard didn't.

As for "load management," I get it on a limited scale. Even Giannis has taken a couple games off. But to sit out 1/4 to 1/3 of the schedule, it's totally cheating the fans who pay him, and cheating the game itself.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on February 22, 2020, 09:21:59 PM
If the Bucks get the Middleton of the regular season in the Playoffs they might not lose a game until the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 24, 2020, 08:56:32 PM
If the Bucks get the Middleton of the regular season in the Playoffs they might not lose a game until the Finals.

down by 7 in OT, he just scored the bucks last 9 to hold on for the win.  no letting up in these guys-goin for the gold!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 25, 2020, 08:02:07 AM
down by 7 in OT, he just scored the bucks last 9 to hold on for the win.  no letting up in these guys-goin for the gold!

Slight correction. They were never down 7 in OT. They were down four.

But Beal was incredible. Something like 108 points in two nights.

Now they are at Toronto tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on February 26, 2020, 11:20:34 PM
Maybe Jimmy should've played with the 3rd stringers tonight against the Wolves, ai'na?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: pbiflyer on March 02, 2020, 09:03:00 PM
Maybe Jimmy should've played with the 3rd stringers tonight against the Wolves, ai'na?

He seemed to do fine tonight, along with Jae, leading scorers again the Bucks. Let's go heat! ai'na?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 02, 2020, 09:04:40 PM
He seemed to do fine tonight, along with Jae, leading scorers again the Bucks. Let's go heat! ai'na?

Teams know there is really only one way to beat the Bucks - make around 50% of 3-pointers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: pbiflyer on March 02, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
Teams know there is really only one way to beat the Bucks - make around 50% of 3-pointers.

Doesn't hurt that the Heat held the Bucks to around 20% of 3 pointers in both wins.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 11, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
Commissioner expected to announce all NBA games will be played in empty arenas tomorrow.

This would be the year Milwaukee gets a championship. When no fans can be in attendance and they can’t have a parade to celebrate it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 11, 2020, 07:25:00 PM
Commissioner expected to announce all NBA games will be played in empty arenas tomorrow.

This would be the year Milwaukee gets a championship. When no fans can be in attendance and they can’t have a parade to celebrate it.


My guess is that things normalize by that point.  But who knows?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 11, 2020, 07:38:10 PM

My guess is that things normalize by that point.  But who knows?

I do agree and hope that is the case. Just would be the most Milwaukee professional sports thing ever if that was the case. At least in my lifetime.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on March 11, 2020, 07:43:14 PM
Gobert fell ill before the game in OKC and they decided to postpone.

I think a hiatus just became a much bigger possibility.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 11, 2020, 08:37:21 PM
Rudy Gobert got coronavirus and the NBA season is now suspended indefinitely.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 11, 2020, 08:38:00 PM
And they just announced it. Wonder if the NCAA will follow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 11, 2020, 08:42:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/1237791921742979072

What a clown.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: forgetful on March 11, 2020, 08:50:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/1237791921742979072

What a clown.

Well lets pray he wasn't contagious when he touched every mic and recorder in the room. 2-days ago. Incubation period is 5 days. Unless his incubation period was exceptionally short, he was infectious.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2020, 08:52:23 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/1237791921742979072

What a clown.

It was nice of him to thoroughly document his criminal negligence.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUBurrow on March 11, 2020, 09:07:53 PM
And they just announced it. Wonder if the NCAA will follow.

I'll go on the record as saying its time.  You can't cancel the the NBA season, with a minimum salary of over half a million dollars per season, and keep marching college players out there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: CreightonWarrior on March 11, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Honestly couldn’t have come at a better time for the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on March 11, 2020, 09:21:08 PM
They're going to cancel the season as a ploy to deny Giannis a championship and get him to the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 11, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
Rudy Gobert got coronavirus and the NBA season is now suspended indefinitely.

I hope Rudy recovers and is OK soon. But,...

If any NBA player "deserves" to be infected, it is Rudy. I guessing that he won't be calling it a hoax any more.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on March 11, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
Playoffs are set to start 4/18.

5.5 and 3.5 game gap between 8 and 9 seeds.

I wonder if they call it a regular season and pick it up in a month, if conditions allow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 11, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
Mark Cuban says he's going to put a program in place to take care of Mavericks concession workers and others making hourly pay who will lose work time due to NBA coronavirus shutdown
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 11, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
Playoffs are set to start 4/18.

5.5 and 3.5 game gap between 8 and 9 seeds.

I wonder if they call it a regular season and pick it up in a month, if conditions allow.

That was my thought, as well - if it is contained by then.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Hards_Alumni on March 12, 2020, 04:56:28 AM
Playoffs are set to start 4/18.

5.5 and 3.5 game gap between 8 and 9 seeds.

I wonder if they call it a regular season and pick it up in a month, if conditions allow.

ha, on 4/18 we won't be thinking about basektball at all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on March 12, 2020, 08:46:17 AM
ha, on 4/18 we won't be thinking about basektball at all.

Right. We'll all be dead.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 12, 2020, 08:52:18 AM
China's professional basketball league is in the process of starting up again.  It will have been shut down for about 10 weeks.  If it is the same with the NBA, that puts the start in late May.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 12, 2020, 09:56:43 AM
Woj reporting that Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus.  Apparently (no surprise given how he handled his media session) he has been careless in the locker room and touching other players' belongings.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on March 12, 2020, 10:11:26 AM
Woj reporting that Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus.  Apparently (no surprise given how he handled his media session) he has been careless in the locker room and touching other players' belongings.

Thankfully he was the only other positive test out of the Utah traveling party.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on March 12, 2020, 10:17:37 AM
Woj reporting that Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus.  Apparently (no surprise given how he handled his media session) he has been careless in the locker room and touching other players' belongings.

To clarify, Gobert was the one touching everyone’s belongings.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUBurrow on March 12, 2020, 10:23:33 AM
Thankfully he was the only other positive test out of the Utah traveling party.

I don't think that's right - Mitchell makes three, so far, along with Gobert and Emmanuel Mudiay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 12, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
To clarify, Gobert was the one touching everyone’s belongings.

Sorry, that is correct.  Thought I had mentioned Gobert before saying "he had been careless in the locker room" but I didn't.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on March 12, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
I don't think that's right - Mitchell makes three, so far, along with Gobert and Emmanuel Mudiay.

I don’t know if Mudiay has tested positive. All I’ve seen is he’s out with an illness and people jumped to conclusions.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 12, 2020, 11:27:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYC6oQIAzbI

Guru would be proud, he's really showing everyone what wimps they are.

What a freaking moron Gobert is.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 12, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
This is exactly the problem with people, including our leaders, completely minimizing the issue. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 13, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
Giannis and Kevin Love each pledge $100,000 to laid off arena workers.

I expect more players to follow suit.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on March 13, 2020, 03:47:26 PM
Giannis and Kevin Love each pledge $100,000 to laid off arena workers.

I expect more players to follow suit.

Blake Griffin just did as well for Detroit
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 13, 2020, 03:48:40 PM
Cool that the players are doing it but are any of the owners except for Cuban?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 13, 2020, 05:52:37 PM
Cool that the players are doing it but are any of the owners except for Cuban?

The Bucks announced they will match any player donations.  I don't think that will be coming directly from Edens's or Lasry's pockets, but they're helping.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on March 13, 2020, 06:09:00 PM
Zion says he will pay salaries of arena workers for 30 days. Cool to see this stuff happening.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Zion says he will pay salaries of arena workers for 30 days. Cool to see this stuff happening.

Owners?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on March 13, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
Owners?

About 80% of the league’s teams have committed to doing something, not just players. Interestingly the Pelicans are one who have not
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on March 13, 2020, 10:52:24 PM
Zion says he will pay salaries of arena workers for 30 days. Cool to see this stuff happening.

This is the NBA equivalent of gofundme for Healthcare bills. Genuine generosity laying bare the fundamental flaws in our society.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Its DJOver on March 27, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
Middleton is so bad that, with the Bucks taking the ball out of bounds from the side with 2.3 seconds left, he travels quickly enough to give the ball back to the Jazz, then, while guarding the guy who has 30 points, loses his man to give up a wide open game winner.

Hope I’m wrong but the Bucks aren’t winning a title with Middleton as the Bucks’ second best player. And Middleton will be the Bucks’ second best player for as long as this contract lasts as you can’t afford anyone better with what you’re paying him.

I realize that this was back in November (and you've sang many praises for him since), but this would be pretty elite company to be a part of, assuming he gets, and takes, the chance.  Didn't realize how good of a season he was having with all the Giannis MVP talk.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28949594/khris-middleton-staying-ready-and-milwaukee-bucks-resume-their-quest-history 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on March 31, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
The Last Dance, a documentary about Jordan’s last year on the Bulls is being released early. First two episodes on April 19. One silver lining at least.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on March 31, 2020, 12:17:54 PM
I realize that this was back in November (and you've sang many praises for him since), but this would be pretty elite company to be a part of, assuming he gets, and takes, the chance.  Didn't realize how good of a season he was having with all the Giannis MVP talk.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28949594/khris-middleton-staying-ready-and-milwaukee-bucks-resume-their-quest-history

Yeah Middleton had been incredible this year. If we got that guy in the Playoffs with normal Giannis it’s game over. Wish I could’ve seen that play out with no season interruptions.

The Last Dance, a documentary about Jordan’s last year on the Bulls is being released early. First two episodes on April 19. One silver lining at least.

As Bart Scott famously said, “CAN’T WAIT!”
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 03, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
The NBA is apparently considering holding its entire post-season in Las Vegas.  However besides concerns about puttng everyone together into one place, there are concerns about taking medical personnel off line.  Realistically I can't see this happening until June or July...if at all.  And at that point, it's not really going to "feel" like the same season anyway.  But I know that's how they earn their TV money.

Maybe they should just end the season now and declare the Bucks the champions!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 03, 2020, 01:28:10 PM
Hey it looks like the Bulls are finally going to get rid of GarPax!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on April 03, 2020, 01:45:36 PM
Hey it looks like the Bulls are finally going to get rid of GarPax!!!

Did the both succumb to COVID?  Or did Michael Reinsdorf?  Cause otherwise not sure I will ever believe it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: GB Warrior on April 03, 2020, 02:02:08 PM
The NBA is apparently considering holding its entire post-season in Las Vegas.  However besides concerns about puttng everyone together into one place, there are concerns about taking medical personnel off line.  Realistically I can't see this happening until June or July...if at all.  And at that point, it's not really going to "feel" like the same season anyway.  But I know that's how they earn their TV money.

Maybe they should just end the season now and declare the Bucks the champions!

This isn't how I want the Bucks to win a championship. Win an abbreviated playoff, fine.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Retire0 on April 04, 2020, 06:55:08 AM
Tough year for Milwaukee, regardless what happens, always going to be a ‘what if’
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: BLM on April 05, 2020, 10:19:35 PM
Am I the only person who thinks Vernon Carey is being incredibly underrated as a pro prospect? Every mock draft I see has him going late in the first round. I’d pick him in the top 10, possibly even top 5. I get it, he’s more of an “old school, back to the basket” big than the stretch bigs that can also guard in space. But he just gets it done. I think he may end up being like Bam Adebyo. Thought to be this guy who would be great had he played 15 years ago but that the modern game had passed that style up. But when he gets to the NBA he expands his game and is a monster.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on April 13, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
Ding Dong the witch is dead ... the Bulls have fired Gar Foreman.
I'm generally reluctant to be happy about someone losing their job, but this is a hige relief for us Bulls fans who feared nothing would change, even with a new director of basketball ops, as long as Gar had a role in the organization.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUDish on April 13, 2020, 02:33:18 PM
Ding Dong the witch is dead ... the Bulls have fired Gar Foreman.
I'm generally reluctant to be happy about someone losing their job, but this is a hige relief for us Bulls fans who feared nothing would change, even with a new director of basketball ops, as long as Gar had a role in the organization.

Oddly, Covid-19 may end up being the best thing that could have happened for the Bull to clean house and get their $hit together.

Only a matter of time until Boylen is gone, but Karnisovas is by all accounts a great hire, and reportedly the Bulls paid a very high price to get him. JJ Polk by all accounts is a great hire as well.

I believe Nazr Mohammed will be Bulls GM, and he and Karnisovas would work together in Mohammed's first year. Remains to be seen, but that's my gut feeling.

Weird to think there'd be a competent Bulls front office and coaching staff soon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on April 13, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Devon Dotson of Kansas declared for NBA draft and said he will hire an agent.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 13, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Oddly, Covid-19 may end up being the best thing that could have happened for the Bull to clean house and get their $hit together.

Only a matter of time until Boylen is gone, but Karnisovas is by all accounts a great hire, and reportedly the Bulls paid a very high price to get him. JJ Polk by all accounts is a great hire as well.

I believe Nazr Mohammed will be Bulls GM, and he and Karnisovas would work together in Mohammed's first year. Remains to be seen, but that's my gut feeling.

Weird to think there'd be a competent Bulls front office and coaching staff soon.

A little slice of good news amidst the hell we're dealing with.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Jockey on April 13, 2020, 10:59:36 PM
Oddly, Covid-19 may end up being the best thing that could have happened for the Bull to clean house and get their $hit together.

Only a matter of time until Boylen is gone, but Karnisovas is by all accounts a great hire, and reportedly the Bulls paid a very high price to get him. JJ Polk by all accounts is a great hire as well.

I believe Nazr Mohammed will be Bulls GM, and he and Karnisovas would work together in Mohammed's first year. Remains to be seen, but that's my gut feeling.

Weird to think there'd be a competent Bulls front office and coaching staff soon.

As a Bucks Fan, I hate this hire.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 10:22:57 AM
Season might be over:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/nba-team-execs-agents-are-calling-on-the-league-to-cancel-season.html

Even though the current NBA season is still technically suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic, its return this year seems less and less likely with each passing day.

Team executives are starting to feel the pressure, frustrated with the lack of information from the league and pushing for an outright cancellation of the season so everyone can focus on safely resuming play next season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Hards_Alumni on April 30, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
Season might be over:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/nba-team-execs-agents-are-calling-on-the-league-to-cancel-season.html

Even though the current NBA season is still technically suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic, its return this year seems less and less likely with each passing day.

Team executives are starting to feel the pressure, frustrated with the lack of information from the league and pushing for an outright cancellation of the season so everyone can focus on safely resuming play next season.


Great year to be a Bucks fan.

NO BIG DEAL GUYS.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUBurrow on April 30, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
Great year to be a Bucks fan.

NO BIG DEAL GUYS.

The timing of this has been brutal for Bucks fans, and tough for the NBA as a whole.  If any league is best positioned to try a version of MLB's FL-AZ quarantine league, its the NBA.  Still a big undertaking, and the negotiations for it with the union would be rough, but the number of people you need to make it work is just so much smaller for the NBA than for MLB, and you can play in any college facility or other basketball facility that makes sense.  If covid had popped up in July, itd be really interesting to see what the NBA came up with.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 30, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
All these relocation ideas sound good in general, but when you look at the specifics, they are still REALLY hard to pull off.  That's what the NBA and MLB are up against.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on May 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Thought this was interesting... bringing up the possibility of expansion to help mitigate losses from the coronavirus- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890710-should-the-nba-consider-expansion-to-ease-unprecedented-financial-pain

Seattle would obviously be on the list. Wonder where they'd look for a second team, and if realignment would come with it. If it's another western city like Vegas, I'd think the T-Wolves or Pelicans would flip over to the East.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
Thought this was interesting... bringing up the possibility of expansion to help mitigate losses from the coronavirus- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890710-should-the-nba-consider-expansion-to-ease-unprecedented-financial-pain

Seattle would obviously be on the list. Wonder where they'd look for a second team, and if realignment would come with it. If it's another western city like Vegas, I'd think the T-Wolves or Pelicans would flip over to the East.

Honestly, would be a boon for the T-Wolves and Pels.  More East coast starting times would be better for the fans
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 08, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
Thought this was interesting... bringing up the possibility of expansion to help mitigate losses from the coronavirus- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890710-should-the-nba-consider-expansion-to-ease-unprecedented-financial-pain

Seattle would obviously be on the list. Wonder where they'd look for a second team, and if realignment would come with it. If it's another western city like Vegas, I'd think the T-Wolves or Pelicans would flip over to the East.

Kansas City is a strong possibility with the Sprint Center and no competition during heart of the NBA season. And they could slide into the Southwest Division and end Memphis to the Eastern Conference. Seattle would bump OKC to the Southwest and send NO to the Eastern Conference and the SE Division, bumping Washington to the Atlantic. 

Other than them, Seattle and Vegas I can't think of any that would make sense or could realistically support a team
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: shoothoops on May 23, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
The AP is reporting that the NBA is having exploratory discussions for late July, at the Disney/ESPN Complex for games, housing, practice, one site for all.

Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: #UnleashJayce on May 24, 2020, 04:27:56 PM
The AP is reporting that the NBA is having exploratory discussions for late July, at the Disney/ESPN Complex for games, housing, practice, one site for all.

Nba.com confirmed it.

Now in talks for finishing the season vs doing a tournament.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: cheebs09 on June 03, 2020, 12:33:02 PM
Sounds like NBA is starting up at the end of July with 8 regular season games. Then a play-in for the 8 seed if it is within 4 games.

I’ve not seen if there’s any change to the playoff format.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on June 12, 2020, 09:31:01 PM
Sounds like Kyrie is doing his best to kill a return of the NBA.
In case it wasn't already obvious, Kyrie is the worst.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: HutchwasClutch on June 12, 2020, 09:40:02 PM
Sounds like Kyrie is doing his best to kill a return of the NBA.
In case it wasn't already obvious, Kyrie is the worst.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on June 12, 2020, 09:59:10 PM
Sounds like Kyrie is doing his best to kill a return of the NBA.
In case it wasn't already obvious, Kyrie is the worst.

I LOVE Kyrie the player. He’s an absolutely absurd natural scorer and one of the smoothest ball handlers and finishers ive ever seen.

And I used to defend Kyrie a lot cause I thought he caught some unfair criticism for being a different sort of cat and got scapegoated for some stuff as a result of Lebron.

That being said, he’s become increasingly obnoxious and bizarre and just overall annoying. This is no different given that progression. It’s disappointing
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Eh. I don’t blame the players for not wanting to work under the proposed conditions. Especially if they want to be involved in protests.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on June 15, 2020, 09:41:33 AM
That being said, he’s become increasingly obnoxious and bizarre and just overall annoying. This is no different given that progression. It’s disappointing

I kinda think the "we shouldn't play because it will distract people" line is a little offensive. Like people aren't capable of working towards justice and enjoying a basketball game. If anything, I'd think it would give the players an even larger platform.

Also, his "something is fishy here" line was odd. No league has supported its players speaking up more than the NBA. Insinuating that the league wants to return to play in part to silence protests is ridiculous.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on June 15, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
I kinda think the "we shouldn't play because it will distract people" line is a little offensive. Like people aren't capable of working towards justice and enjoying a basketball game. If anything, I'd think it would give the players an even larger platform.

Also, his "something is fishy here" line was odd. No league has supported its players speaking up more than the NBA. Insinuating that the league wants to return to play in part to silence protests is ridiculous.

Completely agree. These players have the platform for change and the ability to do good specially cause of the NBA, how popular it is, and the attention people pay to it.  And this isn’t a “shut up and dribble” situation, nobody is seeking to silence them, it’s Kyrie and a select few others declaring that there can’t be parallel pathing here.

And not for nothing, if they season was carrying on as planned without COVID, and there was massive protests and social upheaval, there would be no calls to pause games cause they are a distraction. Countless players have been vocal and involved in marches, protests, etc... and they aren’t the ones calling for this.

As my buddy said “Kyrie is ‘logic adjacent’”.  Hell, while I like him, Bomani Jones catches criticism and negativity from people for his attention to racial issues and allegedly playing them up “too much😧” for some people’s liking...and even he all weekend was like “come on man, I respect your desire for social change, but this ain’t it”
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 15, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
I think the issue isn't the playing.  It's the living in a bubble for months.  Kyrie, et. al. could play and also protest in a non-Covid world.  They can't do that now.

And yeah I think they will have a platform, but I can understand how out-of-touch that platform is if you're living at Disney for a couple of months.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on June 15, 2020, 11:05:56 AM
I think the issue isn't the playing.  It's the living in a bubble for months.  Kyrie, et. al. could play and also protest in a non-Covid world.  They can't do that now.

Is it, doe?

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1272021048016297986/photo/2
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 15, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Yeah I know what Howard is saying.  I just don't think under "normal" circumstances with these protests happening that the thought of not playing would be out there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MU82 on June 15, 2020, 11:27:16 AM
I don't think the players' "platform" will be reduced at all. They will be in the media all the time, both mainstream media and social media.

I do acknowledge they won't be able to go out and join protests, so from the standpoint of speaking at rallies and such, that part of their platform will be reduced. But one could argue that they will be so under the microscope, and there will be so much attention on this season, that their platform will be bigger than ever.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: JWags85 on June 15, 2020, 11:39:03 AM
I don't think the players' "platform" will be reduced at all. They will be in the media all the time, both mainstream media and social media.

I do acknowledge they won't be able to go out and join protests, so from the standpoint of speaking at rallies and such, that part of their platform will be reduced. But one could argue that they will be so under the microscope, and there will be so much attention on this season, that their platform will be bigger than ever.

BINGO. If the driving force is truly enduring change, being in TV in front of millions, with the attention of the media, the press, the fans globally, is FAR more impactful than being one of thousands in a march.  Kyrie could make a more widely seen and impactful statement after a game than MLK ever had the chance to in one of his most enduring speeches.  It’s the nature of media and platform these days.

My other issue is there’s no “ask”. There is the NBA shouldn’t be playing argument, ok. And it’s cause of COVID concerns, or it’s the quarantine bubble, it’s the “distraction” angle, it’s the not being able to protest. But there is no “this is what we should be doing”...cause I think a plan based any of those arguments would be pretty quickly proven to be completely feasible within the framework of the league restarting.

Again, I support the general message. Sterling Brown showed that even being a millionaire pro athlete doesn’t exempt you from the struggles of being a black man in America. But this is just a vague, jumbled cluster of opposition lead by someone who has been enigmatic in the most generous of lights, a disruptive liability at worst.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on June 15, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
Ed Davis was on the call, and had some thoughts- https://hoopshype.com/2020/06/15/utahs-ed-davis-was-on-fridays-players-call-this-is-why-hes-against-sitting-out/

He's spot on about the economic factors and the CBA. While it's not popular to bring that up, not playing could bring more setbacks in terms of what the players can do.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Pakuni on June 16, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
@SBondyNYDN: In a recent chat group with Nets players, Kyrie Irving lobbied for skipping the bubble, the Daily News has learned. In that chat, he also proposed that the players can start their own league, according to a source. https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1273023235362299904


Honestly, could the NBAPA have picked two worse people to be out front on this than Kyrie and Dwight Howard?
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: CreightonWarrior on June 17, 2020, 05:05:08 AM
@SBondyNYDN: In a recent chat group with Nets players, Kyrie Irving lobbied for skipping the bubble, the Daily News has learned. In that chat, he also proposed that the players can start their own league, according to a source. https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1273023235362299904


Honestly, could the NBAPA have picked two worse people to be out front on this than Kyrie and Dwight Howard?
I wonder what his stance be if Durant said he was going to play when they resumed. Kyrie’s got nothing to play for at this point so makes sense he doesn’t want to play.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
Kyle Korver said he would support not playing too and he most certainly has something to play for.  I just think many players have moved on from the season and don't want to be bottled up in Orlando for weeks.  By the time they start playing, it will be four and a half months since the season was suspended. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 17, 2020, 07:50:05 AM
I think the larger issue that we are seeing with MLB, NBA, etc., is that pulling off sports is going to be very hard.  Plans that sound simple a month or two out, quickly become very complex, and require a crap ton of testing and isolation.  I'd like to think we are going to have football and college basketball, but everything seems very complex with no easy answers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: MUfan12 on June 17, 2020, 08:18:59 AM
After reading about all the protocols, I wouldn't blame any player who'd rather stay home at this point.
Title: Re: NBA Thread 2019-20
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 17, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
Just have the series of Milwaukee vs Lakers