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Author Topic: NBA Thread 2019-20  (Read 219572 times)

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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #450 on: May 07, 2019, 10:48:20 AM »

Kyrie is a slightly better version of Stephon Marbury. Still a very good player and an all-star, but not a Superstar who can be the big dog on an NBA Champion.

I don't disagree with this.  I don't think he's a leader.

Honestly, personalities aside, play style I think he could work with KD.  The Warriors have been using KD as a point forward for awhile.  Curry is obviously still a PG, but is playing off the ball more.  I could see this working with Kyrie and KD.  They can switch off being on the ball, play much more fluid and break down defenders if needed.  Add a reliable 3 and D guy and you could have a nice veteran core there.

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« Reply #451 on: May 07, 2019, 10:49:21 AM »
I don't disagree with this.  I don't think he's a leader.

Honestly, personalities aside, play style I think he could work with KD.  The Warriors have been using KD as a point forward for awhile.  Curry is obviously still a PG, but is playing off the ball more.  I could see this working with Kyrie and KD.  They can switch off being on the ball, play much more fluid and break down defenders if needed.  Add a reliable 3 and D guy and you could have a nice veteran core there.

Unless they end up hating/resenting each other.

Maybe that never happens and the Knicks win NBA titles. We'll see.
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« Reply #452 on: May 07, 2019, 10:51:22 AM »
Kyrie is one of the best ball handling/scoring talents the league has seen in a decade plus, not just a gunner.

Sorry but I just don't believe this statement.
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« Reply #453 on: May 07, 2019, 04:41:22 PM »
Sorry but I just don't believe this statement.

Of course you don't.  You just compared him to a player who can't hold a candle to him and was never even top 5 at his position.  Kyrie just averaged 24-5-7 with a 48/40/88 slash, coming off a major injury.  His attitude is problematic and crapty and he's had a bad series, but to diminish him as a player and talent as a result of that is dumb.

The Cavs don't win that championship without him, period.  I already said I don't think he'll ever be "the man" on a championship team, but I also think that about James Harden.

Watch Kyrie's highlights.  He does things that pretty much nobody else in the league can do from a scoring perspective at his size.  And its pretty established among the opinions of his peers that he has the best handle in the NBA.

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« Reply #454 on: May 07, 2019, 04:47:16 PM »
Of course you don't.  You just compared him to a player who can't hold a candle to him and was never even top 5 at his position.  Kyrie just averaged 24-5-7 with a 48/40/88 slash, coming off a major injury.  His attitude is problematic and crapty and he's had a bad series, but to diminish him as a player and talent as a result of that is dumb.

The Cavs don't win that championship without him, period.  I already said I don't think he'll ever be "the man" on a championship team, but I also think that about James Harden.

Watch Kyrie's highlights.  He does things that pretty much nobody else in the league can do from a scoring perspective at his size.  And its pretty established among the opinions of his peers that he has the best handle in the NBA.

Yeah none that f this really supports your initial statement.
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« Reply #455 on: May 07, 2019, 05:17:31 PM »
Yeah none that f this really supports your initial statement.

I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.

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« Reply #456 on: May 07, 2019, 06:18:46 PM »
I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.

No doubt HOFer. Kyrie is incredible. He's having a poor series and he might be kind of a weird guy. But agree with everything you've said.

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« Reply #457 on: May 07, 2019, 06:50:52 PM »
I stated he's one of the best ball handlers in a decade.  Go ahead, name some better.  Again, this has been an NBA consensus since his first All Star season in Year 2.
https://theundefeated.com/features/kyrie-irving-dribbling-cleveland-cavaliers/

He's the best scoring "small" guard since AI.  He's top 30 in career PPG average.  On that list, other than AI, the only comparably sized guys on that list are Lillard and Curry.  Both shoot substantially more 3s than Kyrie (30% of his FGA), Lillard around 40% of his FG attemps while Curry is closer to 50.  He's a super crafty scorer who actually does a ton around the rim and in the midrange despite probably realistically being 6'2.

You could say he's a cancer.  You could say he's not a team player.  But dude can absolutely ball at an elite level.  He's on a HOF arc statistically if he does this another 5-6 years.

You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #458 on: May 07, 2019, 07:14:04 PM »
You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.

This feels like a weird argument. Unless voters are going to contextualize this entire era because of scoring proliferation, he's undoubtedly on a HOF pace.

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« Reply #459 on: May 07, 2019, 07:41:15 PM »
You know that just saying the same thing multiple times doesn’t really prove something.

Neither does your failure to provide any evidence to the contrary other to say “I don’t believe you” and stick to an already proven false comparison

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« Reply #460 on: May 07, 2019, 09:02:43 PM »
Neither does your failure to provide any evidence to the contrary other to say “I don’t believe you” and stick to an already proven false comparison


Cool. 

But in the end, your weak arguments didn't change my mind. 
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« Reply #461 on: May 07, 2019, 09:03:18 PM »
This feels like a weird argument. Unless voters are going to contextualize this entire era because of scoring proliferation, he's undoubtedly on a HOF pace.


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« Reply #462 on: May 07, 2019, 10:22:33 PM »

Cool. 

But in the end, your weak arguments didn't change my mind.

Ok, cool. Hook ‘Em

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« Reply #463 on: May 08, 2019, 11:16:15 AM »
Brogdon not starting and on a minutes restriction, but he's back.  Really hoping to close this one out tonight.  You do not want to go back to Boston for game 6, and then have all the pressure of having been up 3-1 and facing a game 7.
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« Reply #464 on: May 08, 2019, 04:34:35 PM »
Will be good to get Brogdon back in the flow, but now is not the time to play with our food. If he looks like he's off or out of sorts, yank him and let him get his sea legs in Game 1.

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« Reply #465 on: May 08, 2019, 04:44:17 PM »
Also, OT, but saw this on ESPN today. I'm unclear what impressive stats they're referring to, but ok.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities

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« Reply #466 on: May 08, 2019, 05:53:45 PM »
Also, OT, but saw this on ESPN today. I'm unclear what impressive stats they're referring to, but ok.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities


lol, am i to understand this isn't just some sort of very cruel, long practical joke that this Nick Metallinos fellow is playing on Harry Froling?

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« Reply #467 on: May 08, 2019, 07:42:19 PM »
lol, am i to understand this isn't just some sort of very cruel, long practical joke that this Nick Metallinos fellow is playing on Harry Froling?

The NBL is aggressively trying to position itself as a competitor to the G League both as a place for American talent to go if not college, as well as a feeder of homegrown talent to the league. They’ve made some salary, roster, and promotion changes to reflect that. Given Froling was ROY this past season, they have a vested interest in him making the NBA and kind of proving out their intentions. So the PR attention and push makes sense

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« Reply #468 on: May 08, 2019, 09:31:05 PM »
Pierce is calling it - Boston in 9.

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« Reply #469 on: May 08, 2019, 09:34:35 PM »
So much for Brad Stevens being a genius, I guess.
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« Reply #470 on: May 08, 2019, 09:40:41 PM »
If this was the NCAA tournament,  the celtics would have won already  ;D
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« Reply #471 on: May 08, 2019, 09:48:20 PM »
If this was the NCAA tournament,  the celtics would have won already  ;D

That is funny.

To 82's comment, that was one piss poorly coached team. Was it Stevens fault? Irving? Tatum?

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« Reply #472 on: May 08, 2019, 10:20:25 PM »
Bucks' Twitter account is savage tonight. Some well earned trolling happening tonight

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« Reply #473 on: May 08, 2019, 10:21:00 PM »
That is funny.

To 82's comment, that was one piss poorly coached team. Was it Stevens fault? Irving? Tatum?

I'm thinking there will be some addition by subtraction after Irving goes. They did better last year without him.

Based on both his college and NBA accomplishments, it appears Stevens does a better job in an underdog situation.

I was mostly kidding about the "genius" line. Obviously, he hasn't forgotten how to coach. Probably just a bad mix now in Boston, starting with Irving.
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #474 on: May 08, 2019, 11:24:30 PM »
Did KD just tear his achilles?

Edit to update: they’re saying calf strain.
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