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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #725 on: June 15, 2019, 06:22:28 PM »
How do we know he quit and was faking? There was speculation Durant was milking it and we saw what happened when he was actually rushed back. The guy’s doctors said not to play. His knee injury in the playoffs was from overcompensating for the quad.

You buy Kawhi had a knee injury? Lol.

If you want to believe it was legit fair enough. As far as I know KD never demanded a trade and wasn’t going to sit out a second straight season if he didn’t get it.
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #726 on: June 15, 2019, 06:59:35 PM »
This trade would make sense to me, Jrue & 4 to Washington for Beal & 9.

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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #727 on: June 15, 2019, 08:50:07 PM »
Anthony Davis to the Lakers
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #728 on: June 15, 2019, 08:56:48 PM »
Anthony Davis to the Lakers

No way!
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #729 on: June 15, 2019, 09:11:18 PM »
 3 first round picks plus ingram and ball and hart were all were 1st round picks.  what does new orleans do with all these players?  not enough ball(no pun) to go around


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/new-orleans-pelicans-trade-anthony-davis-to-l-a-lakers-reports
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« Reply #730 on: June 15, 2019, 09:17:47 PM »
toronto is a click above average without KL, that's it.  nice team, but doesn't get past 1st round without him
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« Reply #731 on: June 15, 2019, 09:35:03 PM »
i was wondering what took so long...sounds kinda like lavar just leveled the curse of the billy goat on the lakers...ruh-roh eyn'a? ::)

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26983392/lakers-going-regret-trading-lonzo
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #732 on: June 15, 2019, 10:23:23 PM »
Why would he do that now? He has all the leverage in the world and Rich Paul just said he’s going into free agency next year.

Probable he re-signs there, but zero guarantee. If LBJ tears his Achilles, why stay?

Nothing to argue over, but this is a forgone conclusion.  He will be a laker for a long long time. 

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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #733 on: June 15, 2019, 10:41:18 PM »
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

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« Reply #734 on: June 15, 2019, 11:56:25 PM »
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

Flakers desperate and in win now mode.
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« Reply #735 on: June 16, 2019, 06:19:17 AM »
People keep saying Kawhi ended two dynasties in the Warriors and the Heat. Quit selling the guy short. He also ended the Spurs dynasty by quitting on them and faking a season long injury.


If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."
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« Reply #736 on: June 16, 2019, 06:37:36 AM »
Now all the Pelicans need is coaching and general management.
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« Reply #737 on: June 16, 2019, 08:24:16 AM »
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

For teams wanting to actually win championships instead of just hang around the bottom of the playoff chase, it's necessary to acquire superstars.

Lakers now said to be targeting Kemba in free agency, and they have the money to get it done.

Pair a team-first PG who will do whatever a team needs like Kemba, with LeBron, Davis and Kuzma and you certainly have the makings of a championship team -- especially with the Warriors not a factor next season.

If they don't get a guy like Kemba, the Lakers will still need one more very good to great backcourt player.
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« Reply #738 on: June 16, 2019, 10:02:28 AM »

If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."

That was done in part to stop big markets from winning the majority of the times.  To give small markets a fighting chance.
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #739 on: June 16, 2019, 10:36:04 AM »
Now all the Pelicans need is coaching and general management.

Uhhh, their new GM David Griffin literally manufactured this trade to set them up with most amount of assets and flexibility for the next 6-7 years.


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« Reply #740 on: June 16, 2019, 10:58:38 AM »

If that's true, he was using really the only leverage that super stars have to get max deals where they want to play.  Free agency is very much inequitable in the NBA and not very "free."

BS. If they want the freedom to play where they want to, they can sign 1-year contracts. Just like everything in life, you can't have everything you want, you have to make sacrifices. Whining about how "unfair" free agency is in the NBA is ridiculous.

Kawhi faked a knee injury, at least have the balls to do what Bell did and just say I'm not playing...period.

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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #741 on: June 16, 2019, 12:16:42 PM »
The Pels Get:

2019 1st (4th)
2021 top 8 protected, otherwise unprotected 2022 (LBJ up)
2023 unprotected swap
2024 unprotected first
2025 unprotected swap

Holy hell.

Sounds like a lot.... but Lakers are going to win or not based on FAs that they sign - not draft picks.

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« Reply #742 on: June 16, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
And people ripping the Pelicans and saying they made a huge mistake by not accepting the sub-par offer at the deadline this year  ::)

Glad Pelicans management knew what leverage they had with AD. Good for them.

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« Reply #743 on: June 16, 2019, 12:38:20 PM »
And people ripping the Pelicans and saying they made a huge mistake by not accepting the sub-par offer at the deadline this year  ::)

Glad Pelicans management knew what leverage they had with AD. Good for them.

This. There was absolutely no reason to panic and make an inferior trade last Feb. I was surprised so many folks bought the narrative that they HAD to do something back then.
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Re: NBA Thread 2018-19
« Reply #744 on: June 16, 2019, 01:38:16 PM »
Sounds like a lot.... but Lakers are going to win or not based on FAs that they sign - not draft picks.

The key is the bulk of these picks are with a retired LBJ. If Davis gets hurt in any year these swaps/picks come up, these are really nice lotto tickets. Also the one and done rule will be either gone or significantly different by the time these picks come up. Ton of value to either keep or trade these.

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« Reply #745 on: June 16, 2019, 01:46:14 PM »
The key is the bulk of these picks are with a retired LBJ. If Davis gets hurt in any year these swaps/picks come up, these are really nice lotto tickets. Also the one and done rule will be either gone or significantly different by the time these picks come up. Ton of value to either keep or trade these.

Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks

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« Reply #746 on: June 16, 2019, 01:57:42 PM »
Reminds me a little of when Bucks traded Kareem to Lakers. Bucks got some nice players in the deal and it helped them make playoffs year after year. But Lakers ended up with the superstar and the titles.
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« Reply #747 on: June 16, 2019, 02:16:57 PM »
Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks

Agreed. With this trade, the Lakers really should be AD's team, not Lebron's. AD is young, entering his prime, and at least last year was the better player.

No reason Lebron retiring should make the Lakers suddenly a lottery team.

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« Reply #748 on: June 16, 2019, 02:19:31 PM »
Pair a team-first PG who will do whatever a team needs like Kemba, with LeBron, Davis and Kuzma and you certainly have the makings of a championship team -- especially with the Warriors not a factor next season.

If they don't get a guy like Kemba, the Lakers will still need one more very good to great backcourt player.

No disrespect to Kemba, but I don’t see that and don’t think he’s a good fit. He’s a ball dominant PG who isn’t a great defender and his best skill is scoring. He will be the 3rd option there. And you take a guy who scores a ton leading the offense and want to put him on the wing for catch and shoot? Just doesn’t makes sense to me. Honestly someone like Tobias Harris fits better IMO.

And I was talking to another friend of mine, who is a Lakers fan, and he’s not totally convinced Lebron and AD coexist as perfectly as people think. AD is versatile, but he’s still a C, and Lebron has not had great success getting the best out of skilled big men in his career.

If you’re a Lakers hater or NO fan, the not impossible dream scenario is AD picking  up another injury (he’s the Gronk of the NBA in that regard) and Lebron mailing it in afterwards.

Also, if you’re the Pels, you don’t trade Jrue. Jrue and Lonzo are likely a top 2 defensive backcourt in the league

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« Reply #749 on: June 16, 2019, 02:38:51 PM »
Even when LeBron retires, if the Lakers add another good player now (Kemb, Kyrie, etc.) to go with Davis, that keeps them out of the lottery barring injury or a drastic drop off in play from one of those stars.
And when LeBron retires, the Lakers will still be a premiere destination for free agents, so it's seems just as likely none of those picks ever sees the lottery.

The Ringer did a pretty good analysis of this when Porzingis was dealt, and found future first-round draft picks aren't as valuable as we think.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/5/18211132/trade-future-first-round-pick-value-kristaps-porzingis-new-york-knicks

I think the point being missed by many is the severe lack of protections in place. If all these picks were protected, that’d be different.

Also, it’s not like the Lakers have been some juggernaut recently, and they signed the best possible FA last season and wound up in the lottery. They’re all in for the next 3 years. After that, you’ll have a new CBA, the one and done will be gone. Sure, none of those picks could wind up in the lottery, but that’s a pretty good bet by the Pels.

 

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