NBA Thread 2019-20

[Galway Eagle]

He will get hate for it, but they are completely right.  Badger fans love to point to Kaminsky and Dekker, but completely miss the point.  The Badgers havent had a highly rated recruit come in and leave for the NBA in under 3 years under the Bo/Gard reign...ever.

Greg Steisma, top 35 recruit.  Stayed 4 years, undrafted.
Brian Butch, top 10 McD AA.  F-ing redshirted, stayed 5 years, undrafted.
Sam Dekker, top 15-20 recruit, stayed 3 years.
Devin Harris, highly rated recruit, but again, stayed 3 years.

Its a great system for under the radar or late blooming guys like Kaminsky, Alando Tucker, or Jon Leuer, but if you're trying to come in and ball out right away and bounce in a year or two, its the worst place for that.

Wojo brought in a one and done and let him go to work and he ended up being a top 20 pick.  With the incompleteness of his game, he wouldn't have been the go-to guy in Madison for a year or two, no chance he's getting drafted right away.

Wojo has had 3 top 40 level guys (before Dawson).  One was a top 20 pick and the other was a first team AA and set a pile of records.  The other was Joey and thats an incomplete.  I'm not a Wojo fan, but he's still gonna be a better spot for you to get to the league, or put yourself in that position quickly, than Gard or his mentor.

Leuer was a top 100.

Henry fell to top 20 when he was gonna be a lottery.

You probably should include Fischer and Johnson for top 40s

Anyways it's no argument that our system is usually better just saying this isn't exactly the buzz years where pretty much everyone at least got a cup of coffee compared to like nobody from Bo

[JWags85]

Leuer was a top 100.

Henry fell to top 20 when he was gonna be a lottery.

You probably should include Fischer and Johnson for top 40s

Anyways it's no argument that our system is usually better just saying this isn't exactly the buzz years where pretty much everyone at least got a cup of coffee compared to like nobody from Bo

Leuer didn't even start until the very end of his sophomore year. He was borderline top 100 but nobody viewed him as a pro prospect most of his career. Completely different than a Dekker or Herro situation.

Counting Jayce is a joke given he was a 5th year who had been unremarkable in his other 4 years and Fischer is a bit more valid but again he didn't recruit him out of HS and he had plenty of issues by the time he was here.

[Billy Hoyle]

Apparently Hayes and Dekker have something in common with Sam and Joey. All worked behind the scenes to make sure Herro left the state.

A few Badger players told Vander not to go to Madison either.

[Its DJOver]

Leuer didn't even start until the very end of his sophomore year. He was borderline top 100 but nobody viewed him as a pro prospect most of his career. Completely different than a Dekker or Herro situation.

Counting Jayce is a joke given he was a 5th year who had been unremarkable in his other 4 years and Fischer is a bit more valid but again he didn't recruit him out of HS and he had plenty of issues by the time he was here.

I believe the Johnson being referenced is Jajuan as he was a consensus top 50 recruit.

[Galway Eagle]

Leuer didn't even start until the very end of his sophomore year. He was borderline top 100 but nobody viewed him as a pro prospect most of his career. Completely different than a Dekker or Herro situation.

Counting Jayce is a joke given he was a 5th year who had been unremarkable in his other 4 years and Fischer is a bit more valid but again he didn't recruit him out of HS and he had plenty of issues by the time he was here.

See below

I believe the Johnson being referenced is Jajuan as he was a consensus top 50 recruit.

But yes Leuer started exactly on the path as a normal lower top 100 I was just pointing out he's different than Kaminsky or Happ in that he was a well regarded recruit. Heck we've gotten excited over lower ranked kids.

[4everwarriors]

I applaud Herro for having the nut sack to decommit, gamble on himself, and chart his future.  He made the difficult, right decision, and he and his family took some vicious chit for doing so.
We used to recruit kids with not only talent, but also a chip on their shoulder who played with moxie. They won NCAA Tournament games and personified Warriors, aina?

[Hards Alumni]

The strangest thing about this Hayes story is his motivation for bringing this up at all.  Why would he talk about this publicly?  Now Badger fans probably don't like him, and he has hurt recruiting for his alma mater.  All for what?  A mention of his name nationally?

I just don't understand the logic here.

[cheebs09]

The strangest thing about this Hayes story is his motivation for bringing this up at all.  Why would he talk about this publicly?  Now Badger fans probably don't like him, and he has hurt recruiting for his alma mater.  All for what?  A mention of his name nationally?

I just don't understand the logic here.

Nigel likes attention. Also, based on his feelings on college athletics, I don't see him caring much about helping out his alma mater or any school until things change.

[MUfan12]

I applaud Herro for having the nut sack to decommit, gamble on himself, and chart his future.  He made the difficult, right decision, and he and his family took some vicious chit for doing so.
We used to recruit kids with not only talent, but also a chip on their shoulder who played with moxie. They won NCAA Tournament games and personified Warriors, aina?

Yup.

As for UW... that system will get you to the league as a stretch big, but what decent guard is gonna want to be setting screens half the time?

[MU82]

I applaud Herro for having the nut sack to decommit, gamble on himself, and chart his future.  He made the difficult, right decision, and he and his family took some vicious chit for doing so.
We used to recruit kids with not only talent, but also a chip on their shoulder who played with moxie. They won NCAA Tournament games and personified Warriors, aina?

Woulda been nice if the Hausers had the nut sacks to want to play with somebody who had talent and a chip on his shoulder who played with moxie.

[4everwarriors]

Major error in judgment by the Woj dude, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Major error in judgment by the Woj dude, hey?

Recruiting the Hausers?  Yes.  They seemingly wouldn't play with Herro and then took their ball and left anyway.  Of course, Herro was never coming to Marquette anyway but it's a nice fantasy to blame Wojo for that

[Uncle Rico]

With friends in the Whitnall district and friends involved in the travel basketball world during the Herro recruitment process, I can tell you it was widely known well in advance that if he got offers from schools of Kentucky's ilk, he was not going to stay in state.  It was also widely known he was not going to stay committed to UW well in advance of his decommitment.  The kid is baller and fun to watch.  He wasn't coming to Marquette regardless of the coach. 

[brewcity77]

With friends in the Whitnall district and friends involved in the travel basketball world during the Herro recruitment process, I can tell you it was widely known well in advance that if he got offers from schools of Kentucky's ilk, he was not going to stay in state.  It was also widely known he was not going to stay committed to UW well in advance of his decommitment.  The kid is baller and fun to watch.  He wasn't coming to Marquette regardless of the coach.

His commitment to UW was surprising and his dad repeatedly talked down the decision at AAU events & made it clear they were still open to offers. Anyone paying attention not only wasn't surprised, they knew UW was never really an option.

[tower912]

Dynamic of the finals may have just changed.   How bad is AD?   LbJ can still put the team on his back and finish.

[GooooMarquette]

Dynamic of the finals may have just changed.   How bad is AD?   LbJ can still put the team on his back and finish.

If AD's injury is serious, it opens the door wide open for the Heat. They still have a tough hill to climb and LeBron does have the ability to take over games, but the Heat would have a legit shot.

[jesmu84]

Lakers gonna win it tonight.

[jesmu84]

Lakers gonna win it tonight.

Reverse jinx.

Let's go heat

[GooooMarquette]

What a battle. Go JFB!

[Lennys Tap]

Dynamic of the finals may have just changed.   How bad is AD?   LbJ can still put the team on his back and finish.

Lakers have had the "injury edge" for the last 4 games and should have finished off the Heat in 4 (or 5 at the most). Jimmy wouldn't let that happen. If AD is out that would give the same edge to the Heat for game 6 (and 7 if necessary). Bottom line? King James has been great. JFB has been every bit his equal. And that is astounding. Marquette fans everywhere should be proud.

[MU82]

If anybody didn't like the fourth quarter of that game, they simply don't like basketball. Or sports.

[Skatastrophy]

30-point Triple-Doubles in NBA Finals History

LeBron James - 3x, two in one series 2015

Jimmy Butler - 2x in one series 2020

James Worthy - 1x in 1988

Charles Barkley - 1x in 1993

[forgetful]

Lakers have had the "injury edge" for the last 4 games and should have finished off the Heat in 4 (or 5 at the most). Jimmy wouldn't let that happen. If AD is out that would give the same edge to the Heat for game 6 (and 7 if necessary). Bottom line? King James has been great. JFB has been every bit his equal. And that is astounding. Marquette fans everywhere should be proud.

Switch JFB and LBJ, and the JFB led Lakers would have won in 4.

[The Sultan]

I think it's funny that the Heat beat them after the Lakers wore their "Black Mamba" jerseys, loudly proclaiming they never lost in them during the playoffs.

Oops.

Still think the Lakers will win one out of two though. 

[tower912]

Switch JFB and LBJ, and the JFB led Lakers would have won in 4.

Switch LbJ and JFB and the Heat would have won in 4.