Lots of games Monday to start season
New Orleans at Butler
LaSalle at Nova - Big 5 game to start season
Merrimack at Johnnies
Stonehill College at U Conn
Morgan State at X
Loyola MD at DePaul
St. Thomas at Creighton
Radford at MU
The Post Jay Wright Era starts tonight. Preview of The Lasalle game.
https://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-basketball/2022/11/7/23444335/villanova-wildcats-basketball-2022-23-game-preview-la-salle-explorers-college-ncaa
This could play a role for the first few games for SH
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1589713686318714881
Butler opening lineup had 1 center and 4 guards
Curbelo got T'd up with 18:59 on the clock in the 1st half.
Tommies hanging tough with Creighton only down 5 at half
St. Thomas is putting in their BEast application tonight.
If they win let's trade out DePaul.
Add St. Thomas and Dayton.
Respectable performance by the Tommies against Creighton
Nova wins a Big 5 game against LaSalle has another Big 5 game against Temple coming up on Saturday.
David Jones had a good game for The Johnnies ,21 and 10
A real nice transfer pick up in the off-season
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2022, 06:45:45 AM
David Jones had a good game for The Johnnies ,21 and 10
A real nice transfer pick up in the off-season
They're going to be tough this year. Lots of veteran talent.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 06:47:29 AM
They're going to be tough this year. Lots of veteran talent.
It depends. Lot of that veteran talent is just meh. Soriano, Mathis, and Wusu have just been ok guys for 3 years. Need to make a jump to be meaningful pieces.
Obviously Alexander is great. Jones is a really nice piece. But I'm not sold on Curbelo. Dude seems to be more of a liability than a big plus whenver he's playing quality opponents. He vanished in the Big 10 season last year, concussion early in the year or not.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 06:47:29 AM
They're going to be tough this year. Lots of veteran talent.
If people thought our young team having 18 TOs was bad
SJU and the veterans turned it over...........TWENTY NINE. Times.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
If people thought our young team having 18 TOs was bad
SJU and the veterans turned it over...........TWENTY NINE. Times.
They'll force a ton of turnovers which will even out that figure.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
They'll force a ton of turnovers which will even out that figure.
I'll take that bet
Tonight's games
Rider at Cooley& Company
Coppin State at Georgetown - This has not been a gimme historically for Georgetown
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
If people thought our young team having 18 TOs was bad
SJU and the veterans turned it over...........TWENTY NINE. Times.
But more possessions in that game!
That's what Merrimack does, tho - turn teams over. Sucky team but last 3 seasons their def to% has ranked 19, 40 and 3, respectively
Ps - Merrimack College WARRIORS. Why can't we have it?
Providence looks terrible early. Awful defense
Quote from: JWags85 on November 08, 2022, 06:12:53 PM
Providence looks terrible early. Awful defense
Providence is terrible. Cellar dwellers this year, save DePaul.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 06:17:58 PM
Providence is terrible. Cellar dwellers this year, save DePaul.
Rider up 11??? Is my phone correct? Cooley must not be happy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2022, 04:12:09 PM
Tonight's games
This has not been a gimme historically for Georgetown
Not many games are lately.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
Rider up 11??? Is my phone correct? Cooley must not be happy.
Cooley needs to get his squad going. Big East cannot be losing games like this.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2022, 06:53:12 PM
Cooley needs to get his squad going. Big East cannot be losing games like this.
They'll win this one.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 06:57:01 PM
They'll win this one.
Another single digit win haha.
I guess they woke up.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2022, 07:27:21 PM
I guess they woke up.
Can't quite put them away. Bynum with multiple air balls as the shot clock expired.
Rider with a final possession to win and the dude trips over his own foot.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 08, 2022, 07:05:39 PM
Another single digit win haha.
Lol - now that was a lucky win
Did anyone watch Purdue today?
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 07:55:41 PM
Lol - now that was a lucky win
The rider guard did what Marcus Howard did on NMD against them in like 2017-18. wild
Coppin State and Georgetown tied 53-53 with 11:46 left second half
Wow. Gtown in enormous trouble.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
Did anyone watch Purdue today?
I didn't, but my dad did, and here was his report:
Yes. It appears they have a long way to go to be a good team. The Freshman point guard did an excellent job, but I did not see any other strong ball handlers. Also, I thought they struggled getting Edey the ball down low. They'll get better. I heard the announcers say that Milwaukee's coach was a former Marquette assistant.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2022, 09:07:14 PM
Wow. Gtown in enormous trouble.
The backcourt made the plays down the stretch. That said, they're bad.
That was a bad, bad game.
Quote from: panda on November 08, 2022, 06:17:58 PM
Providence is terrible. Cellar dwellers this year, save DePaul.
I was ready to eat my words. With like 8 min left, they were up double digits, and I was like, good for them. Their defense was intense the first chunk of the second half...then they went back to sleep and let Rider get back into it.
Jared Bynum is a pretty decent player, but no way do I want him playing iso step back ball in critical situations, yuck
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 08, 2022, 10:01:24 PM
That was a bad, bad game.
And Coppin State played the previous evening. That may well be what saved Georgetown.
Monmouth at Seton Hall
Battle of Jersey
Quote from: MUDPT on November 08, 2022, 09:28:23 PM
I didn't, but my dad did, and here was his report:
Yes. It appears they have a long way to go to be a good team. The Freshman point guard did an excellent job, but I did not see any other strong ball handlers. Also, I thought they struggled getting Edey the ball down low. They'll get better. I heard the announcers say that Milwaukee's coach was a former Marquette assistant.
I had to check . . . I missed the news that they hired Bart Lundy, former Buzz assistant.
Quote from: JWags85 on November 09, 2022, 12:03:25 AM
I was ready to eat my words. With like 8 min left, they were up double digits, and I was like, good for them. Their defense was intense the first chunk of the second half...then they went back to sleep and let Rider get back into it.
Jared Bynum is a pretty decent player, but no way do I want him playing iso step back ball in critical situations, yuck
Yea I'm not seeing them as the middle of the pack talent they're projected as.
Returning players are fine but not game changers and the transfers coming in are meh.
They don't have much going for them aside from the Ed Cooley mystique.
It would be pretty foolish to write off Providence after one less-than stellar Nov game that they still won.
In 19-20 they had a non-conference stretch of 2-5 ball with losses to Penn, Long Beach State, Charleston, Rhode Island, and a blow out loss to Florida, with their wins being a 3 point win against Pepperdine, and a 4 point win against Stony Brook. They then proceeded to go 12-6 in conference, including a sweep of MU, and would have been safely in the field.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 09, 2022, 08:22:20 AM
It would be pretty foolish to write off Providence after one less-than stellar Nov game that they still won.
In 19-20 they had a non-conference stretch of 2-5 ball with losses to Penn, Long Beach State, Charleston, Rhode Island, and a blow out loss to Florida, with their wins being a 3 point win against Pepperdine, and a 4 point win against Stony Brook. They then proceeded to go 12-6 in conference, including a sweep of MU, and would have been safely in the field.
David Duke and Alpha Diallo ain't walkin through the door this year.
Quote from: panda on November 09, 2022, 09:04:30 AM
David Duke and Alpha Diallo ain't walkin through the door this year.
And Ed Cooley ain't leaving mid-season. It's one game in November, let's try not to read to much into it.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 09, 2022, 09:11:36 AM
And Ed Cooley ain't leaving mid-season. It's one game in November, let's try not to read to much into it.
Can't put the toothpaste back into the tube
Quote from: panda on November 09, 2022, 09:04:30 AM
David Duke and Alpha Diallo ain't walkin through the door this year.
I thought Noah Locke was one of the worst transfers this year. He was very bad at Louisville. He can really only play an off ball combo guard. And his one marketable talent his is three point shooting. He shot 34% last season and he shot 2-8 in his first game.
Bynum needed a big guard next to him. Their guard defense has a ceiling.
Quote from: panda on November 09, 2022, 09:04:30 AM
David Duke and Alpha Diallo ain't walkin through the door this year.
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:
22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins
I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.
Georgetown really only went 6 deep in a 45 minute game against a high calorie cupcake. 4 players went 42 minutes or more. Wahab fouled out in 15 minutes and Bristol Jr played 29 minutes off the bench (while also fouling out). 3 other players combined for 10 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 0 FGAs, 0 FTAs.
Feels like having only 6 games that you can trust to play more than 4 minutes in an OT game against Coppin State is not a recipe for success. But they did snap that 21 game losing streak!
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 08, 2022, 10:01:24 PM
That was a bad, bad game.
Just here to say I enjoy that you are part of this board. Always nice to get the perspective of another team's fans.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 09, 2022, 06:01:00 AM
And Coppin State played the previous evening. That may well be what saved Georgetown.
This won't end well for Coppin State or Juan Dixon (https://baltimorebrew.com/2022/11/07/former-player-sues-coppin-state-over-alleged-sexual-assault-and-blackmail-by-coach/)
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 09, 2022, 09:33:13 AM
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:
22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins
I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.
The thing about providence for me is, outside of Bryce Hopkins, they really don't have a starter who would sniff MU's starting lineup in a joint team. And personally i don't think any of them start would unless you bump a guard out and move OMAX to a three and play Hopkins at the 4. I think Bynum and Crosswell are solid pieces for a BE team, but they arn't the guys to carry a team to a top half of the conference finish. They needed a second guard. Maybe Devin Carter comes good for them, but he felt like a smaller Justin Minaya with some guard skills to me.
They had loads of turnover, from the worst (or 2nd worst 'Nova 19') team to win the BE this century. They'll have an average St Johns year IMO.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 10:52:41 AM
The thing about providence for me is, outside of Bryce Hopkins, they really don't have a starter who would sniff MU's starting lineup
I see the kool-aid was strong this morning!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 09, 2022, 11:11:25 AM
I see the kool-aid was strong this morning!
Absolutely.
That or we should have a couple 20 point wins over Providence this year, so that's nice.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 09, 2022, 11:11:25 AM
I see the kool-aid was strong this morning!
In all sincerity are you a big Croswell or Bynum fan?
Those guys might be better than Kam or Stevie overall all, but that fit doesn't work. Bynum is exclusively a point guard, Croswell is exclusively a 5 man.
I guess maybe Bynum. But i don't like him as much as Kolek, Posh, Nembhard, or Richmond.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
In all sincerity are you a big Croswell or Bynum fan?
I would take Croswell in a second, I don't know much about many of their newcomers. But also the idea that none of the other players being able to
sniff Maquette's starting lineup is surely hyperbole. Hell, most of their team will sniff Marquette's starters at least two times this year :)
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 09, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
Georgetown really only went 6 deep in a 45 minute game against a high calorie cupcake. 4 players went 42 minutes or more. Wahab fouled out in 15 minutes and Bristol Jr played 29 minutes off the bench (while also fouling out). 3 other players combined for 10 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 0 FGAs, 0 FTAs.
Feels like having only 6 games that you can trust to play more than 4 minutes in an OT game against Coppin State is not a recipe for success. But they did snap that 21 game losing streak!
That's crazy to me! I caught the OT portion of the game and was shocked b/c they actually looked decent/better than I expected. CSU must have just been exhausted by that point, because they made Georgetown look like a legit Big East team at that point.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 09, 2022, 12:45:11 PM
I would take Croswell in a second, I don't know much about many of their newcomers. But also the idea that none of the other players being able to sniff Maquette's starting lineup is surely hyperbole. Hell, most of their team will sniff Marquette's starters at least two times this year :)
I would take Croswell. But I think he would just take about 35% of the center minutes. I don't think Croswell and Oso playing together really benefits a team. We'll probably split games in conference, because that should be the expectation against everyone except Georgetown. I'm sure one of their transfers will do well, it might just take until January.
Marquette was +30 against providence last year, and Providence lost more than MU did despite MU losing the best player in Lewis.
Durham, Horchler, Watson, Reeves, and Minaya are better than every player they gained this year with the lone exception of Hopkins. If i had to guess, i think Horchler, Durham and Minaya are probably better than Hopkins but who knows. Hopkins is an unknown quantity.
I just don't really rate that team.
Providence shot 43 free throws. Rider shot 10 free throws. Providence won by1 66-65. Providence got the whistle Marquette used to get in box scores in the Old Big East.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 09, 2022, 09:33:13 AM
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:
22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins
I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.
How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?
Quote from: panda on November 09, 2022, 04:55:47 PM
How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?
This isn't the first year that some fans have declared that Providence's roster is weak and that an early non-conference struggle was a sign that they were going to be bad. Honestly, it's a yearly tradition at this point. Most years those fans are wrong.
I'm not even saying your assessment is wrong. I don't think Providence has a good roster this year either and think that they will be on the wrong side of the bubble. But Cooley has enough of a track record that I'm not going to label their season as doomed this early in the year.
Quote from: panda on November 09, 2022, 04:55:47 PM
How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?
Coaching
The Hall is romping to a big win over Monmouth.
Big East 11-0 helps everyone's cause
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 09, 2022, 05:06:23 PM
This isn't the first year that some fans have declared that Providence's roster is weak and that an early non-conference struggle was a sign that they were going to be bad. Honestly, it's a yearly tradition at this point. Most years those fans are wrong.
I'm not even saying your assessment is wrong. I don't think Providence has a good roster this year either and think that they will be on the wrong side of the bubble. But Cooley has enough of a track record that I'm not going to label their season as doomed this early in the year.
Not true.
Before last year. So from 2018-2021. Cooley under performed in 4 of the previous 4 season per Ken Pom. He dropped at least 10 spots each year and averaged a 25.5 drop in rankings.
Additionally Cooley under preformed in 3 of the previous 4 seasons relative to his big east preseason rankings. The only season he didn't underperform his big east preseason ranking, he tied it.
He is a great coach. Providence shouldn't be as good as they are. But he doesn't overperform every year.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 10:08:00 PM
Not true.
Before last year. So from 2018-2021. Cooley under performed in 4 of the previous 4 season per Ken Pom. He dropped at least 10 spots each year and averaged a 25.5 drop in rankings.
Additionally Cooley under preformed in 3 of the previous 4 seasons relative to his big east preseason rankings. The only season he didn't underperform his big east preseason ranking, he tied it.
He is a great coach. Providence shouldn't be as good as they are. But he doesn't overperform every year.
I never said he overperformed per KenPom. I said fans (I meant specifically our fans) say that Providence has a weak roster and then say that their non-conference struggles prove it, and then they go on a run in BE conference play and make the NCAAT.
Big East should be able to pick up 2 more wins tonight
CMU at MU
North Dakota at Creighton
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
Big East should be able to pick up 2 more wins tonight
CMU at MU
North Dakota at Creighton
50/50
Cooley needs to wear a tuque.
Creighton comfortably ahead of North Dakota
Big East performing well
If I saw correctly, Notre Dame only beat Radford by 3 late, and Bellarmine beat Louisville. Never thought I'd live long enough to see that.
Radford all but had it won. Notre Dame got away with a foul, then made a layup with 9 seconds left to take the lead and escape.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 10, 2022, 11:06:58 PM
Radford all but had it won. Notre Dame got away with a foul, then made a layup with 9 seconds left to take the lead and escape.
If Radford continues to play well, MU might be able to get some minor benefit from the win .
Nova in a dog fight against Temple.
Dixon with a mans rebound and kick out to Longino for the go ahead 3.
64-62 just under a minute left
Good to see Zags take out Sparty and Joey! Zags to the BE!
Quote from: MU86NC on November 11, 2022, 08:07:35 PM
Good to see Zags take out Sparty and Joey! Zags to the BE!
Not a BE result.
Down goes Nova though. Damn, no bueno.
Temple fans storm the floor.
Villanova start out the season with two Big 5 games . Temple on the road not a gimme as we just saw
I don't think the conference necessarily runs through Nova going forward. They hired a nobody.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 11, 2022, 08:25:36 PM
I don't think the conference necessarily runs through Nova going forward. They hired a nobody.
Neptune calling timeout down 4 with 0.2 to play seemed pretty petty. Guessing he rubbed both Temple fans the wrong way with the timeout and Villanova fans the wrong way with the result.
Quote from: MU86NC on November 11, 2022, 08:07:35 PM
Good to see Zags take out Sparty and Joey! Zags to the BE!
Are we still doing this? Dear God.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 11, 2022, 08:10:06 PM
Not a BE result.
Down goes Nova though. Damn, no bueno.
Villanova officially welcomes their "Hank Raymonds Era".
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 11, 2022, 09:12:19 PM
Are we still doing this? Dear God.
Meanwhile, Marquette still wishes it could be in DePaul's place
Here's a tip kiddo - the internet never forgets.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 09:29:17 PM
Meanwhile, Marquette still wishes it could be in DePaul's place
Here's a tip kiddo - the internet never forgets.
Lol.
Remember when a nova play swung on a Marquette fan storming the court... happy he missed. even for him
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 09:29:17 PM
Meanwhile, Marquette still wishes it could be in DePaul's place
Here's a tip kiddo - the internet never forgets.
Reading comprehension still 0%, years later
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 11, 2022, 09:50:05 PM
Reading comprehension still 0%, years later
Really? That's your excuse. This post (in it's entirety, not edited) seems immune to a comprehension problem:
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 09:55:27 PM
Really? That's your excuse. This post (in it's entirety, not edited) seems immune to a comprehension problem:
*might*
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 11, 2022, 10:02:09 PM
*might*
Oh! Well then clearly it's not one of the dumbest things ever said on this sight then. You said *might*!!!
- You didn't request DePaul's result that year, you said "program"
- Marquette ended that year alone 2nd in the BE with a 12-6 conference record, DePaul last at 7-11
But sure, I'm the one with a situational comprehension problem!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 11, 2022, 08:10:06 PM
Not a BE result.
Down goes Nova though. Damn, no bueno.
But soft serve 0-5 from field 2 pts and fouled out.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Oh! Well then clearly it's not one of the dumbest things ever said on this sight then. You said *might*!!!
- You didn't request DePaul's result that year, you said "program"
- Marquette ended that year alone 2nd in the BE with a 12-6 conference record, DePaul last at 7-11
But sure, I'm the one with a situational comprehension problem!
site**
I was right about Wojo - cry.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 11, 2022, 10:24:11 PM
site**
I was right about Wojo - cry.
Ohhh...you got me! Mi gramer ys bhad. Just admit you made a really dumb comment - instead of defending it, and I'll never mention it again kiddo!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 10:35:09 PM
Ohhh...you got me! Mi gramer ys bhad. Just admit you made a really dumb comment - instead of defending it, and I'll never mention it again kiddo!
i've never made a dumb comment - i stand by every post. go marquette!
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 11, 2022, 10:36:27 PM
i've never made a dumb comment - i stand by every post. go marquette!
Glad to have you posting here Mr Musk.
Todays games
Green Bay at Georgetown
St Peter's at The Hall
Lafayette at The Johnnies
Northeastern at Cooley & Company
Beast is going to miss Wright sooooooooo much.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 12, 2022, 06:40:39 AM
We need different personalities.
Oh, we have
plenty of those!
DePaul ,X and U Conn posted solid wins yesterday
Georgetown and The Hall in the win column today
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 12, 2022, 06:59:33 AM
Oh, we have plenty of those!
And about 30% are just from Chicos
St. John's stinks.
Once again overrated by the masses.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 12, 2022, 06:44:33 PM
St. John's stinks.
Once again overrated by the masses.
But just like DePaul they'll beat us
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 12, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
But just like DePaul they'll beat us
Everyone can beat everyone this year. The Big East just eats itself, but DePaul is better than St. John's.
DePaul at Dawson on Monday
Johnnies get the win.
Cooley & Company in a dog fight versus Northeastern.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 12, 2022, 08:02:27 PM
Johnnies get the win.
Cooley & Company in a dog fight versus Northeastern.
Fire Cooley
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2022, 10:37:29 PM
Glad to have you posting here Mr Musk.
Are you trying to imply that 5DollarPitcher is another account of mine? Because it's not, and pretty sure you know that. I do happen to agree with a lot of 5 Dollar's viewpoints though.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 12, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Are you trying to imply that 5DollarPitcher is another account of mine? Because it's not, and pretty sure you know that. I do happen to agree with a lot of 5 Dollar's viewpoints though.
Pretty sure he's taking a dig at the actual Elon Musk
Cooley & Company came back with a strong second and won
Nova looks absolutely awful. It is early, but they have no offensive rhythm and having trouble playing defense. I hope they turn it around.
Delaware State at Nova
DePaul at The Gophers
Butler at Penn State
Holy Cross at Creighton - A battle of Jesuit's featuring ex MU assistant Brett Nelson at Holy Cross
Quote from: TheGym on November 14, 2022, 05:40:28 PM
Nova looks absolutely awful. It is early, but they have no offensive rhythm and having trouble playing defense. I hope they turn it around.
They're missing their 2 best players, but that still may not make them a real threat.
Might make them a tournament team but they are currently trailing by 8 to a team they were favored to beat by 36. Long ways to go.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 14, 2022, 06:04:08 PM
They're missing their 2 best players, but that still may not make them a real threat.
Might make them a tournament team but they are currently trailing by 8 to a team they were favored to beat by 36. Long ways to go.
0-16 from behind the arc at half... ooooffff
and 1 assist.
DePaul up 12 at half over Gophers . Dawson had a tough first half .
Depaul just way faster and more atheltic than Minny.
Payne for the gophers looks like a real steal especially when he gets better at taking care of the ball.
But man they are slow and weak. Dawson still cant get more than 1 inch off the ground. And the guards are getting abused by Depauls guards speed.
DePaul leveled Minny in Minny.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 14, 2022, 08:00:15 PM
DePaul leveled Minny in Minny.
Good win for The Big East
That was an impressive second half from DePaul.
Butler with 4 guards and a Center lineup . Several of men injured
Nova escapes thanks to a 21-25 vs 4-4 FT discrepancy. Apparently FTs do matta when high majors are in danger of losing to bi-directional state schools at home.
Quote from: 1SE on November 15, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
Nova escapes thanks to a 21-25 vs 4-4 FT discrepancy. Apparently FTs do matta when high majors are in danger of losing to bi-directional state schools at home.
Home cooking
Quote from: 1SE on November 15, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
Nova escapes thanks to a 21-25 vs 4-4 FT discrepancy. Apparently FTs do matta when high majors are in danger of losing to bi-directional state schools at home.
As Nova lost the free throw percentage battle 100%-84%, it actually reinforces the #FTnomatta argument, which was always that free throw rate matters, free throw percentage does not.
Stonehill at Cooley & Company. I think this is Stonehill first year in D1
Northwestern at Georgetown
Buffalo 🦬 at U Conn
Central Connecticut at The Johnnies
MU at Boilermakers
Fairfield at X
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 15, 2022, 05:36:06 PM
Stonehill at Cooley & Company. I think this is Stonehill first year in D1
Northwestern at Georgetown
Buffalo 🦬 at U Conn
Central Connecticut at The Johnnies
MU at Boilermakers
Fairfield at X
Do you know there's a thread pinned to the top of the board that is updated daily with today's BEast games, lines, start times, and viewing options?
Solid win for Cooley& Company
Ladies and Gentlemen... Northwestern v Georgetown!
https://twitter.com/mwino/status/1592670760564555776?s=46&t=j3FGJAtQHF_bD2lJJaZKUg
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 15, 2022, 05:41:30 PM
Do you know there's a thread pinned to the top of the board that is updated daily with today's BEast games, lines, start times, and viewing options?
Remember that he is dead, go easy on him.
I'm really not sure how Ewing is still employed as a coach.
I saw Brandon Murrays numbers at LSU and thought he'd be someone Marquette would look at or could use.
I can see exactly why he wasn't. His body language is horrible and he looks like he has 0 interest in playing any defense. Georgetown getting smacked by Northwestern in the 2nd half.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 15, 2022, 07:23:01 PM
I'm really not sure how Ewing is still employed as a coach.
All 5 starters and the first three subs are all transfers. Plus, Dantae Harris probably their best player, is on leave from the team for personal reasons. Maybe take time to mesh together as a team, but not a good showing tonight at home.
as long as georgetown/NW doesn't go into overtime, we'll get our game in on time
Quote from: nyg on November 15, 2022, 07:26:37 PM
All 5 starters and the first three subs are all transfers. Plus, Dantae Harris probably their best player, is on leave from the team for personal reasons. Maybe take time to mesh together as a team, but not a good showing tonight at home.
I mean, apart from looking disappointing so far this year, my comment was not just about tonight. Ewing usually has plenty of talent. Continuity of that talent (transfers out) and bad coaching have doomed them during his tenure.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 15, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
I mean, apart from looking disappointing so far this year, my comment was not just about tonight. Ewing usually has plenty of talent. Continuity of that talent (transfers out) and bad coaching have doomed them during his tenure.
Administration don't care
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 15, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
I mean, apart from looking disappointing so far this year, my comment was not just about tonight. Ewing usually has plenty of talent. Continuity of that talent (transfers out) and bad coaching have doomed them during his tenure.
Agree 100% and as you are aware it has been brought up hundreds of times that Ewing should have been gone. Just wanted to advise his entire roster is new transfers in and their best player is out for personal reasons. It has happened almost each of the last three years, not retaining players.
Johnnies post a solid win
U Conn stampedes the Buffalo Bills
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 15, 2022, 07:23:01 PM
I'm really not sure how Ewing is still employed as a coach.
It's complicated.
https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/editorial_110722.htm
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 15, 2022, 08:06:36 PM
It's complicated.
https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/editorial_110722.htm
TL;DR. But I assume it says something to the effect to GTown being inept and unable to make their own decisions without the Thompson family getting involved and/or making them angry. And now the Ewing supporters being angry.
X is now 3-0 under their new coach .
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 15, 2022, 10:13:05 PM
TL;DR. But I assume it says something to the effect to GTown being inept and unable to make their own decisions without the Thompson family getting involved and/or making them angry. And now the Ewing supporters being angry.
That's not what it said. Georgetown doesn't make decisions on men's basketball because 1) it's not the institutional priority it once was, and 2) it's not worth the uncertainty of what would follow.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
That's not what it said. Georgetown doesn't make decisions on men's basketball because 1) it's not the institutional priority it once was, and 2) it's not worth the uncertainty of what would follow.
Scared???
The Hall getting clawed by Hawkeyes down 12 at half
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 16, 2022, 07:00:12 PM
Scared???
They're so afraid of change they're projecting an elitist, above the fray attitude towards the sport more than a little responsible for their institutional status. If they think that putting out a consistently inferior product (on the court and in the classroom) won't eventually hurt the entire university they are sadly mistaken.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 16, 2022, 08:09:50 PM
They're so afraid of change they're projecting an elitist, above the fray attitude towards the sport more than a little responsible for their institutional status. If they think that putting out a consistently inferior product (on the court and in the classroom) won't eventually hurt the entire university they are sadly mistaken.
I think Georgetown's reputation in the world of higher education doesn't have much to do with their on-court performance these days. It's not 1983 any longer. If anything their reputation has improved as the basketball has slid.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 16, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
I think Georgetown's reputation in the world of higher education doesn't have much to do with their on-court performance these days. It's not 1983 any longer. If anything their reputation has improved as the basketball has slid.
Unlike many Big East schools, basketball at Georgetown doesn't drive admissions or fundraising. And because none of the other Big East schools are direct competitors for student enrollment, it leads to less competitive response at the higher levels if other teams do well. Not a lot of kids choose between Creighton and Georgetown.
And while some people assume basketball drove Georgetown's admissions surge, it was in fact a move to need-based, full financial aid in the late 1970's that opened the doors to applicants that couldn't otherwise afford to attend and began to move them up the rankings. Basketball didn't hurt, of course, but it wasn't a causal effect.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 16, 2022, 08:09:50 PM
If they think that putting out a consistently inferior product (on the court and in the classroom) won't eventually hurt the entire university they are sadly mistaken.
Georgetown has one win in the NCAA since 2012 and no one is marching on the president's office demanding action. "Winning is a habit," said Vince Lombardi. But he added, "Unfortunately, so is losing."
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2022, 09:29:53 PM
Unlike many Big East schools, basketball at Georgetown doesn't drive admissions or fundraising. And because none of the other Big East schools are direct competitors for student enrollment, it leads to less competitive response at the higher levels if other teams do well. Not a lot of kids choose between Creighton and Georgetown.
And while some people assume basketball drove Georgetown's admissions surge, it was in fact a move to need-based, full financial aid in the late 1970's that opened the doors to applicants that couldn't otherwise afford to attend and began to move them up the rankings. Basketball didn't hurt, of course, but it wasn't a causal effect.
Georgetown has one win in the NCAA since 2012 and no one is marching on the president's office demanding action. "Winning is a habit," said Vince Lombardi. But he added, "Unfortunately, so is losing."
Is there such a lack of interest at Georgetown among fans and administrators that they would consider dropping down to D2?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 16, 2022, 09:59:25 PM
Is there such a lack of interest at Georgetown among fans and administrators that they would consider dropping down to D2?
I do not see that. And I doubt that they are worried even a little bit that the BE would boot them out. It's too valuable of a market. Having DePaul as a perennial cellar dweller was bad enough but just about all conferences have one. Two teams in a last place battle drags the BE down a bit. What they also have in common is both are in major markets.
Shaheen took blame for The Hall loss to Iowa.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2022/11/17/seton-hall-basketball-gets-reality-check-from-iowa-red-hot-murray/69648807007/
So we are relying solely on DePaul to uphold the honor of our conference.
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 17, 2022, 04:12:45 PM
So we are relying solely on DePaul to uphold the honor of our conference.
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BE is mid major
Big East rolling tonight
Johnnies , Butler , Creighton all kicking butt .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 17, 2022, 09:03:49 PM
Big East rolling tonight
Johnnies , Butler , Creighton all kicking butt .
You need to rest until April 9th, 2023
With the MTE Tourney's starting up, make sure the top pinned thread with have schedule updates for Big East schools.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63704.msg1481047#msg1481047
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 18, 2022, 08:38:53 AM
With the MTE Tourney's starting up, make sure the top pinned thread with have schedule updates for Big East schools.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63704.msg1481047#msg1481047
Thanks
Georgetown got outscored 52-24 in the 2nd half in an 84-66 loss to old friend Stan Johnson and LMU.
I'd say it can't get lower for the Hoyas but I'm not sure of that
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
I'd say it can't get lower for the Hoyas but I'm not sure of that
Agreed.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
That's not what it said. Georgetown doesn't make decisions on men's basketball because 1) it's not the institutional priority it once was, and 2) it's not worth the uncertainty of what would follow.
That's just silly. Uncertainty? A meth'd out bum off the streets in DC could probably get more wins than Ewing at this point..
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
Georgetown got outscored 52-24 in the 2nd half in an 84-66 loss to old friend Stan Johnson and LMU.
I'd say it can't get lower for the Hoyas but I'm not sure of that
they went winless in con last year. the program is dead. rock bottom. cant belive they go from boaderline powerhouse to irellevant crazy bad. yet ewing remains. its a joke.
Ewing is going to be visited by 3 George Thompsons this Christmas
Happy for Stan. Good win for his program .
Tough loss for X. Kunkle with a good look for the winner but good rotation D changed the shot just enough.
Tough loss for X tonight against I4
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2022, 07:19:38 PM
Happy for Stan. Good win for his program .
He's not tearing it up out there. They were picked 9th preseason. And I'm not sure this was a better win than UC-Davis
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 18, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
Tough loss for X. Kunkle with a good look for the winner but good rotation D changed the shot just enough.
Woodson has put together a very tough squad.
They have Jackson-Davis, a probable first team AA and NPOY candidate, add two quality Division One transfers in Johnson and Kopp (not Div 2, Div 3 or NAIA), get two Top 25 recruits in Reneau and Schifilno, a top 30 recruit in Bates and a top 100 recruit in Geronimo. Plus Thompson who has improved in his years there and Indiana has a formidable team. Beat a good Xavier team on the road.
That's what happens when you recruit well and get a few quality transfers. Jackson Davis is just a beast and Reneau will be a very good player.
Nova is not Nova anymore. Wright is an enormous loss.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 18, 2022, 08:27:35 PM
Nova is not Nova anymore. Wright is an enormous loss.
Agree...sorta. Will be interesting to see how they do if/when 5* Whitmore and Moore are healthy.
Nova showed some fight.
But idk about that out of time out plan of attack.
Not a good Gavitt Games for the BEast.
U Conn goes to 4-0 with win over UNC Wilmington
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 18, 2022, 09:23:46 PM
Not a good Gavitt Games for the BEast.
Kinda.... It was pretty pair. Even with more losses than wins, most of the big east teams that lost covered. which matters for efficiency.
Pretty much every result was expected with the exception of the killings of SHU, Gtown, and Nebraska.
Also missed that Central michigan somehow lost to Minnesota by single digits yesterday. Yikes
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 15, 2022, 08:06:36 PM
It's complicated.
https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/editorial_110722.htm
A well-heeled Georgetown alum I know made an interesting comment to me re the difference between Marquette and Georgetown and generational support. He said that Al McGuire was a supreme unifying factor, and the goodwill and fan edifice being built mostly by him and his personality ensured cross-generational support. Then the MU administration got behind that. At Georgetown, while there was a foundational rock of an ultra-successful coach in John Thompson, the university didn't capitalize on that success as to generational support. Coach Thompson was anything but a warm and fuzzy figure, and he HAD to be that way. Stern, stately, demanding of his players, and often rightly chastising fans and media alike. I'm not saying I 💯 agree with this take. It was just interesting to hear.
DePaul is DePauling hard right now.
Down 15 at half to Santa Clara.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2022, 10:04:00 PM
DePaul is DePauling hard right now.
Down 15 at half to Santa Clara.
Yikes.
DePaul loses to Santa Clara.
Tough day for the Big East yet again.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on November 18, 2022, 10:02:09 PM
A well-heeled Georgetown alum I know made an interesting comment to me re the difference between Marquette and Georgetown and generational support. He said that Al McGuire was a supreme unifying factor, and the goodwill and fan edifice being built mostly by him and his personality ensured cross-generational support. Then the MU administration got behind that. At Georgetown, while there was a foundational rock of an ultra-successful coach in John Thompson, the university didn't capitalize on that success as to generational support. Coach Thompson was anything but a warm and fuzzy figure, and he HAD to be that way. Stern, stately, demanding of his players, and often rightly chastising fans and media alike. I'm not saying I 💯 agree with this take. It was just interesting to hear.
Re: generational support, from what decade is this alumnus from? It might help to frame a response.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 18, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
Re: generational support, from what decade is this alumnus from? It might help to frame a response.
Georgetown's problem is they keep hiring from the Thompson tree. Marquette learned that themselves.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 19, 2022, 05:14:29 AM
Georgetown's problem is they keep hiring from the Thompson tree. Marquette learned that themselves.
But the JTIII era wasn't awful. It kinda just petered out at the end. It just extended the idea that they doing things the JT way made sense. But in reality, having the basketball coach STILL report to the President is a bad idea for all sorts of reasons. They need to hire their Kevin O'Neill.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 19, 2022, 05:58:23 AM
But the JTIII era wasn't awful. It kinda just petered out at the end. It just extended the idea that they doing things the JT way made sense. But in reality, having the basketball coach STILL report to the President is a bad idea for all sorts of reasons. They need to hire their Kevin O'Neill.
They didn't have a plan post-JT III.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2022, 10:58:20 PM
DePaul loses to Santa Clara.
Tough day for the Big East yet again.
Santa Clara had a quality transfer , Brandon Podziemski, that did a lot of damage to the Blue Demons
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 19, 2022, 08:08:37 AM
Santa Clara had a quality transfer , Brandon Podziemski, that did a lot of damage to the Blue Demons
Shaka whiffed on him in the portal
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2022, 08:36:37 AM
Shaka whiffed on him in the portal
Did he really go after him?
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 19, 2022, 09:36:18 AM
Did he really go after him?
Doesn't matter. Facts aren't important when it comes to recruiting
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2022, 09:59:52 AM
Doesn't matter. Facts aren't important when it comes to recruiting
Would this qualify as a grey one?
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 19, 2022, 05:58:23 AM
But the JTIII era wasn't awful. It kinda just petered out at the end. It just extended the idea that they doing things the JT way made sense. But in reality, having the basketball coach STILL report to the President is a bad idea for all sorts of reasons. They need to hire their Kevin O'Neill.
It's DePaul and Joey Meyer all over again. JT3 wasn't bad and Joey wasn't either initially but that led to a slow decline which led to apathy and if GT doesn't get out of this soon it could lead to DePaul bad for an extended period.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2022, 10:21:44 AM
Would this qualify as a grey one?
I'm surprised there isn't more angst about losing this kid. He's local and he's white.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 18, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
Re: generational support, from what decade is this alumnus from? It might help to frame a response.
He graduated early '80s and was just starting out in business when GU won it all in 1984.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2022, 10:44:53 AM
I'm surprised there isn't more angst about losing this kid. He's local and he's white.
The Hausers hated him.
Providence is playing Miami on ESPNNEWS right now.
Looks to be 2 pretty evenly matched teams halfway through the 1st half.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Providence is playing Miami on ESPNNEWS right now.
Looks to be 2 pretty evenly matched teams halfway through the 1st half.
Talent seems to be evenly matched, but Providence has gone cold. Big East looks horrible early.
Miami 38
Providence 26 at half
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2022, 03:43:53 PM
Talent seems to be evenly matched, but Providence has gone cold. Big East looks horrible early.
Miami 38
Providence 26 at half
For those not watching, Miami is coasting. Miami much the better team.
Quote from: panda on November 19, 2022, 04:00:26 PM
For those not watching, Miami is coasting. Miami much the better team.
NIL money works.
Miami 51
Providence 45
Fun game! Should be an even better finish. Cooley is pumped up. Big East could use this Win.
This is the first time I can remember the BEast struggling mightily in the non-c. This may just be a down year for our league. Creighton is really good but after that? I'm just not sure. I'm not sold on Nova or XU.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2022, 04:32:02 PM
This is the first time I can remember the BEast struggling mightily in the non-c. This may just be a down year for our league. Creighton is really good but after that? I'm just not sure. I'm not sold on Nova or XU.
Marquette?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 19, 2022, 04:36:06 PM
Marquette?
I would be shocked if we are 9-11 in this league Dr. B. I think we can make some noise assuming people heed my advice. :)
Cooley & Company swept away by Hurricanes
Providence had 3 possessions to try and make it a 3 or 4 point game.
They just cannot score. (3-16) from behind the arc.
They'll face St. Louis in the Consolation game. DePaul gets Oklahoma State in their Consolation game.
This conference sucks.... ill be honest. The only reason theyll stay 4th best is because the acc and Pas 12 are gonna be worse
Quote from: jfp61 on November 19, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
This conference sucks.... ill be honest. The only reason theyll stay 4th best is because the acc and Pas 12 are gonna be worse
Definitely not looking good so far.
Providence stinks. Basically home court for them and they got dominated.
Quote from: panda on November 19, 2022, 04:59:19 PM
Providence stinks. Basically home court for them and they got dominated.
3 letters. N. I. L. Miami has it.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2022, 05:15:51 PM
3 letters. N. I. L. Miami has it.
Lots of teams will be better than providence this year
Quote from: jfp61 on November 19, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
This conference sucks.... ill be honest. The only reason theyll stay 4th best is because the acc and Pas 12 are gonna be worse
Mope
Quote from: jfp61 on November 19, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
This conference sucks.... ill be honest. The only reason theyll stay 4th best is because the acc and Pas 12 are gonna be worse
you ain't from these parts are ye? best you be runnin along before the new sheriff in town comes
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 19, 2022, 05:51:23 PM
you ain't from these parts are ye? best you be runnin along before the new sheriff in town comes
He is a mope
Quote from: jfp61 on November 19, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
This conference sucks.... ill be honest. The only reason theyll stay 4th best is because the acc and Pas 12 are gonna be worse
Lol. Yeah that's usually how it works. BE has been consistently better than P12 in recent years and pretty equal to the ACC. BE should reliably be the #3-#5 conference each year. And that's ok.
Quote from: LAZER on November 19, 2022, 06:41:21 PM
Lol. Yeah that's usually how it works. BE has been consistently better than P12 in recent years and pretty equal to the ACC. BE should reliably be the #3-#5 conference each year. And that's ok.
Mid major
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2022, 04:43:16 PM
Providence had 3 possessions to try and make it a 3 or 4 point game.
They just cannot score. (3-16) from behind the arc.
They'll face St. Louis in the Consolation game. DePaul gets Oklahoma State in their Consolation game.
Providence trying to be like StLU?
Butler with a tasty cupcake win. Should keep their fans happy for a while.
Opportunity for DePaul to help the Big East with a win over Oklahoma State today
The league needs some quality wins
Georgetown had a 35-10 lead on LaSalle. Explorers tie the score at 62 with 2:13 to play, then miss their last seven shots of the game.
Final, Georgetown 69, LaSalle 62
Panda Bear's Miami Hurricanes are down 20 to Kevin Willard's Maryland Terps.
Providence had the talent to beat them yesterday, but just refused to put the ball in the bucket.
Good to see Hoyas get a Win
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 20, 2022, 01:28:30 PM
Good to see Hoyas get a Win
Almost blew it. They continue to look worse and worse under Ewing.
The Hall comfortably up on Wagner.
Cooley & Company up 10 against Billikens 14:42 left second.
Providence blows a double digit lead and the Big East loses another.
This League desperately needs a Marquette Championship win at Ft. Myers.
DePaul also losing to Oklahoma St.
Cooley & Company crapping the bed is not a good thing.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 20, 2022, 04:29:55 PM
Providence blows a double digit lead and the Big East loses another.
This League desperately needs a Marquette Championship win at Ft. Myers.
DePaul also losing to Oklahoma St.
Looks like they just couldn't make shots. Again... Maybe scoring is important in basketball ?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 20, 2022, 01:16:13 PM
Panda Bear's Miami Hurricanes are down 20 to Kevin Willard's Maryland Terps.
Providence had the talent to beat them yesterday, but just refused to put the ball in the bucket.
Nothing I said yesterday is incorrect. PC stinks.
DePaul had a WIDE open 3 for the win from Eral Penn who has 25 and 10 tonight. Just didn't hit the shot.
Another Big East loss.
Big East needs to up its game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 20, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Big East needs to up its game.
Need Creighton to win the Maui.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/20/st-johns-searching-for-consistency-after-flashes-of-potential/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 20, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Big East needs to up its game.
Awful week for the BEast Herman. The time is now to step the H up.
Quote from: panda on November 20, 2022, 05:05:23 PM
Looks like they just couldn't make shots. Again... Maybe scoring is important in basketball ?
Providence tried to slow the pace. On offense, they saw zones after made baskets and they had their bigs doubled. The Friars did shoot 20 for 20 from the free throw line.
Quote from: shoothoops on November 20, 2022, 09:41:08 PM
Providence tried to slow the pace. On offense, they saw zones after made baskets and they had their bigs doubled. The Friars did shoot 20 for 20 from the free throw line.
100% Fts....
That is all that matters.
Quote from: shoothoops on November 20, 2022, 09:41:08 PM
Providence tried to slow the pace. On offense, they saw zones after made baskets and they had their bigs doubled. The Friars did shoot 20 for 20 from the free throw line.
17-22
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2022, 08:04:36 AM
17-22
Providence made 17 of 22 FT's vs Miami Fl.
Providence was 20/20 FT's vs SLU.
SLU prefers a faster pace. They shot poorly from 3, usually a strength. However, they outscored Providence 40-26 in the paint. And they are much improved with their FT shooting this year. 12th or so nationally thus far. 15 of 17 vs Providence.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 20, 2022, 09:37:01 PM
Awful week for the BEast Herman. The time is now to step the H up.
Big East needs to sweep today.
Creighton playing top 25 team in Texas Tech. Blue Jays need to win to verify their own ranking .
Would be helpful for The Johnnies to avenge the Temple defeat of Nova .
MU needs a P5 win on the resume n
Quote from: shoothoops on November 21, 2022, 10:29:52 AM
Providence made 17 of 22 FT's vs Miami Fl.
Providence was 20/20 FT's vs SLU.
SLU prefers a faster pace. They shot poorly from 3, usually a strength. However, they outscored Providence 40-26 in the paint. And they are much improved with their FT shooting this year. 12th or so nationally thus far. 15 of 17 vs Providence.
My mistake...And as always good for you and st Louis
Quality win for The Blue Jays over The Red Raiders .The starters played well for Creighton .
Temple has some interesting results.
Wins- Villanova and Rutgers
Losses- Wagner and Vanderbilt (Both in OT)
They play St. John's tonight. Should be a fun one.
Creighton/Arkansas should be a good one. Something doesn't smell right in Fayetteville with Musselman.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2022, 07:08:41 PM
Creighton/Arkansas should be a good one. Something doesn't smell right in Fayetteville with Musselman.
Arkansas is freaking good and Muss can coach
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2022, 07:13:54 PM
Arkansas is freaking good and Muss can coach
True. But top 5 recruiting classes seemingly instantaneously makes Mr wonder a little.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2022, 07:20:32 PM
True. But top 5 recruiting classes seemingly instantaneously makes Mr wonder a little.
Why
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2022, 07:08:41 PM
Creighton/Arkansas should be a good one. Something doesn't smell right in Fayetteville with Musselman.
Please provide us with some evidence, proof, etc. along with your comments. Just because the team, which has been great since Musselman arrived, has elevated its recruitment does not mean it smells of impropriety. It is a scoop thing at times, as others have used the word "squirmy" when a team excels, so must be a cheating thing. Musselman is a great coach and recruiter.
Quote from: nyg on November 21, 2022, 07:35:41 PM
Please provide us with some evidence, proof, etc. along with your comments. Just because the team, which has been great since Musselman arrived, has elevated its recruitment does not mean it smells of impropriety. It is a scoop thing at times, as others have used the word "squirmy" when a team excels, so must be a cheating thing. Musselman is a great coach and recruiter.
It just an instinct but I could be wrong.
Kalkbrenner ankle may not play for Creighton against Hogs
Somebody in here picked this team to win like 23 or 24 games in the preseason predictions. They have absolutely no shot at that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
It just an instinct but I could be wrong.
A lot of that is gone with NIL, and there are serious dollars to be permissibly thrown around in Fayetteville.
St John's with a nice win against a solid Temple team to go to 4-0. They now have a legit post threat in Joel Soriano, averaging 13 and 12. Much more balanced offensively this season.
Quote from: nyg on November 21, 2022, 07:35:41 PM
Please provide us with some evidence, proof, etc. along with your comments. Just because the team, which has been great since Musselman arrived, has elevated its recruitment does not mean it smells of impropriety. It is a scoop thing at times, as others have used the word "squirmy" when a team excels, so must be a cheating thing. Musselman is a great coach and recruiter.
People are saying that Muss is on steroids.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 21, 2022, 10:00:22 PM
A lot of that is gone with NIL, and there are serious dollars to be permissibly thrown around in Fayetteville.
...but not so much in Milwaukee.
Syracuse 3-1 at The Johnnies 5-0
Rooting for The Johnnies to keep their winning streak going. Will help The Big East.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/andre-curbelo-comes-up-big-in-st-johns-win-over-temple/
Quote from: nyg on November 21, 2022, 07:35:41 PM
Please provide us with some evidence, proof, etc. along with your comments. Just because the team, which has been great since Musselman arrived, has elevated its recruitment does not mean it smells of impropriety. It is a scoop thing at times, as others have used the word "squirmy" when a team excels, so must be a cheating thing. Musselman is a great coach and recruiter.
We've done this before, and we can do it again. Even before NIL...
Muss has been an INCREDIBLE coach his entire career, at all levels.
CBA: 70% Winnning percentage over 7 seasons starting at age 24, all before he was 32. His "worst" years were due to losing players to NBA call ups.
USBL: 95% winning percentage over 2 seasons.
G League: 72% winning percentage over 2 seasons, including coach of the year and the best record in league history at the time.
NBA: 44% winning percentage, with 2 of the worst franchises in the NBA at the time. The fact that he guided any of those teams over 30 wins was remarkable.
NCAA (pre-Arkansas): 76% winning percentage, 3 straight conference titles, S16 at a program that had been 36-58 the previous 3 seasons and hadn't been to the NCAAs in a decade. Also brought in 4 of the top 5 highest rated recruits in program history including a top 20 MCD AA.
His bona fides are WELL established. He is one of the best pure coaches in America. Plus he recruits well. He stocked those Nevada teams with great transfers to get them scaled up in a hurry. Now at a historic program with big resources in a big basketball conference, of course he's killing it.
Creighton is getting an insanely friendly whistle. Haven't seen a whistle this one-sided in some time. Good for the Big East!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2022, 08:26:36 PM
Creighton is getting an insanely friendly whistle. Haven't seen a whistle this one-sided in some time. Good for the Big East!
Blue Jays get a lot of production out of their starters
Quote from: JWags85 on November 22, 2022, 04:08:44 PM
We've done this before, and we can do it again. Even before NIL...
Muss has been an INCREDIBLE coach his entire career, at all levels.
CBA: 70% Winnning percentage over 7 seasons starting at age 24, all before he was 32. His "worst" years were due to losing players to NBA call ups.
USBL: 95% winning percentage over 2 seasons.
G League: 72% winning percentage over 2 seasons, including coach of the year and the best record in league history at the time.
NBA: 44% winning percentage, with 2 of the worst franchises in the NBA at the time. The fact that he guided any of those teams over 30 wins was remarkable.
NCAA (pre-Arkansas): 76% winning percentage, 3 straight conference titles, S16 at a program that had been 36-58 the previous 3 seasons and hadn't been to the NCAAs in a decade. Also brought in 4 of the top 5 highest rated recruits in program history including a top 20 MCD AA.
His bona fides are WELL established. He is one of the best pure coaches in America. Plus he recruits well. He stocked those Nevada teams with great transfers to get them scaled up in a hurry. Now at a historic program with big resources in a big basketball conference, of course he's killing it.
Yep. He's an even better coach than his dad was, and Bill was a great coach.
Big win for Creighton over The Hogs. Blue Jays had 3 starters over 20 points .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 22, 2022, 09:14:28 PM
Big win for Creighton over The Hogs. Blue Jays had 3 starters over 20 points .
Arkansas played without their best player. I'm sure they'll be a major factor down the road. Might even get a rematch. The committee loves the potential for rematches in March.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2022, 09:52:39 PM
Arkansas played without their best player. I'm sure they'll be a major factor down the road. Might even get a rematch. The committee loves the potential for rematches in March.
Do they?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2022, 10:07:23 PM
Do they?
Yes. They often pair prior opponents in the same region.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2022, 10:35:37 PM
Yes. They often pair prior opponents in the same region.
Well yeah. It's impossible to avoid putting teams that have played each other in the same region.
St. John's 6-0 after cleaning up Syracuse.
Thanks to St. John's. Oh....and thank you Colgate.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2022, 10:39:00 PM
St. John's 6-0 after cleaning up Syracuse.
Another double double for Soriano. Curbelo is playing under control. Last year after six games he was 6/32 from three, this season he's 6/11. Jones has been a stud too averaging 17 and 8. DePaul's loss. They are a very strong team.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2022, 12:56:17 AM
Another double double for Soriano. Curbelo is playing under control. Last year after six games he was 6/32, this season he's 6/11. Jones has been a stud too averaging 17 and 8. DePaul's loss. They are a very strong team.
2 BE losses
Jones still make very bad decisions and that will be something to watch. After hitting a 3 two go up two possessions with under a minute left in OT, Johnnies got a steal and Jones threw up an ugly heat check and you can see Anderson just screaming at him from the sidelines.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2022, 12:56:17 AM
Another double double for Soriano. Curbelo is playing under control. Last year after six games he was 6/32 from three, this season he's 6/11. Jones has been a stud too averaging 17 and 8. DePaul's loss. They are a very strong team.
Early BE basketball today:
American 47
Georgetown 48
13:23 2nd
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2022, 11:46:26 AM
Early BE basketball today:
American 47
Georgetown 48
13:23 2nd
Yikes.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 23, 2022, 11:47:33 AM
Yikes.
Georgetown was once up 13. AU just took the lead at the 12 minute time out.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
Georgetown was once up 13. AU just took the lead at the 12 minute time out.
DFW,
You are a trooper and level headed. I hope GU basketball is back to its upper echelon status sooner rather than later.
Georgetown who we hiring? McCasland? Grasso? Local High school coaches at Gonzaga or Demathia?
Quote from: jfp61 on November 23, 2022, 12:14:09 PM
Georgetown who we hiring? McCasland? Grasso? Local High school coaches at Gonzaga or Demathia?
If they win this game, that might be the worst thing for the program.
If it wasn't already, Georgetown is now 2 games that nobody in the Big East wants to play. There is nothing but bad that can come from playing them.
American 74
Georgetown 70
Final
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This game was 29-13 Georgetown in the first half.
In five of its six games Georgetown is a net -69 points after halftime.
American entered the game with a NET of 335.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2022, 12:46:09 PM
This game was 29-13 Georgetown in the first half.
In five of its six games Georgetown is a net -69 points after halftime.
American entered the game with a NET of 335.
So, it was a bad loss?
not for gtown.
Georgetown is not on a good place
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2022, 12:46:09 PM
This game was 29-13 Georgetown in the first half.
In five of its six games Georgetown is a net -69 points after halftime.
American entered the game with a NET of 335.
Georgetown trying to be SLU?
butler sucks ass. dont expext them to finish too half of big for the forseeable future
Quote from: Johnny B on November 23, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
butler sucks ass. dont expext them to finish too half of big for the forseeable future
Thanks
Quote from: Johnny B on November 23, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
butler sucks ass. dont expext them to finish too half of big for the forseeable future
Sheesh not even I had that much ron
St. John's hasn't lost yet but I still think they are overrated.
They and a few others will be getting love all year for a good NC record when they don't really play anybody.
Meanwhile we play Purdue, MS St., Baylor, UW, ND and nobody will care. Oh well. 1 game at a time I suppose. Dominate Chicago St.
Cooley & Company with a win over Merrimack
Butler got destroyed by the Vols
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2022, 12:41:36 AM
St. John's hasn't lost yet but I still think they are overrated.
They and a few others will be getting love all year for a good NC record when they don't really play anybody.
Meanwhile we play Purdue, MS St., Baylor, UW, ND and nobody will care. Oh well. 1 game at a time I suppose. Dominate Chicago St.
Nobody will care about St. John's record if they play nobody. And nobody should care how many good teams we played if we don't beat any of them.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 23, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
butler sucks ass.
Is that good or bad? MU82 wants 2 know
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2022, 12:56:17 AMCurbelo is playing under control.
Curbelo's 27.1% turnover rate is the highest of his career. Not sure that's "under control."
Good win for X. All five starters in double figures. Boum is a difference maker as a grad transfer.
I can say with confidence that I don't believe we'll be worse than the preseason 9th place consensus prediction.
Eff em
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 24, 2022, 06:58:04 PM
I can say with confidence that I don't believe we'll be worse than the preseason 9th place consensus prediction.
Eff em
That's one hell of an endorsement Jay Bee. No worse than ninth makes me truly optimistic about the season.
I agree Eff em!
Good to see X get a win on board against The Gators
Nova continuing to embarrass the legacy of Jay Wright
Uhhh......Tristen Newton? I've never heard of him and he has 21 pts in the first half for UCONN.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 24, 2022, 06:23:57 PM
Curbelo's 27.1% turnover rate is the highest of his career. Not sure that's "under control."
Facts don't care about your feelings
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2022, 07:52:14 PM
Uhhh......Tristen Newton? I've never heard of him and he has 21 pts in the first half for UCONN.
6 ft 5 guard, who was transfer portal from East Carolina, where he spent three years.
Not a ranked player out of high school, but became a good player at ECU and was highly sought after in portal last year.
UCONN is playing at an elite level tonight. And basically Sanogo hasn't played in the entire 2nd half.
Solid win for Butler
The Hall makes last second shot to beat Memphis Tigers
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2022, 08:51:06 PM
The Hall makes last second shot to beat Memphis Tigers
Hilarious choke by Memphis. Got an offensive rebound on a missed free throw up 2 with 9 seconds left. The guy who got the rebound didn't want to have to shoot free throws so he threw the ball away to Seton Hall.
Ends up costing them.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2022, 08:51:06 PM
The Hall makes last second shot to beat Memphis Tigers
Nice!
Lots of opportunities to put decent wins on the board today for Big East
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2022, 08:08:17 AM
Lots of opportunities to put decent wins on the board today for Big East
Two huge games for the BEast. X has a very good chance vs Duke. UCONN played lights out yesterday but Bama poses a big challenge. That team is deadly in an up and down game with athletes coming from all angles.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2022, 09:29:35 AM
Two huge games for the BEast. X has a very good chance vs Duke. UCONN played lights out yesterday but Bama poses a big challenge. That team is deadly in an up and down game with athletes coming from all angles.
Would love to see Xavier take down Duke and have Scheyer fall flat on his face.
Black Friday Slate
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63704.msg1483347#msg1483347
DePaul vs. Buzz was on FS1 (and is still supposed to be) but mid-game the feed cut out to some documentary.
Clearly a malfunction but still funny.
Nova in big, big, trouble.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Nova hitting bottom
They are going to be so much better with Whitmore. I do believe he will make a monster difference, but they are digging themselves a hole early.
Xavier completely lost focus the last few mins.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2022, 03:15:45 PM
They are going to be so much better with Whitmore. I do believe he will make a monster difference, but they are digging themselves a hole early.
If Justin Moore comes back, he and Whitmore will make a huge difference.
Justin Moore is coming back in January with a bad ankle. Whitmore won't play unless he is 100% he is a top 10 pick.
Any nova hype at this point is Copium.
Nunge has been atrocious in the XU/Duke game. 1-12 and a total dumpster fire.
Nova kinda sucks. Not great
Nunge is driving me crazy. Getting owned defensively as well, only 4 rebs. Killing Xavier.
Buzz stung the Blue Demons
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 24, 2022, 06:23:57 PM
Curbelo's 27.1% turnover rate is the highest of his career. Not sure that's "under control."
35 assists to twenty turnovers, 60% of those in two games. 6/11 from three (as opposed to 6/34 through 6 games last year), shooting 50% on the season. That's playing under control.
Remember, he's the reason we beat Illinois last year. This gear hes not losing them games.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Buzz stung the Blue Demons
That's big for them to win their toughest non-conference game.
Big East 0-3 today? Could easily end 0-6.
I think Seton Hall beats Moser and Oklahoma, but I'd bet against UConn(Alabama) and Butler(NC State) if I had to choose.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 25, 2022, 05:10:24 PM
That's big for them to win their toughest non-conference game.
When they don't make the NCAAT again, Buzz'll be cryin': "But what about our big win over mighty DePaul?"
Sooners whipping The Hall
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2022, 09:00:04 PM
Sooners whipping The Hall
Rough day Herman. Hopefully UCONN and Butker win.
UCONN completely craps the bed to close the first half.
UCONN is the last hope for the Big East avoiding an 0-6 day.
Hall
DePaul
Nova
Xavier
all lost
UCONN tied with Bama 2nd half
Butler down 13 to NC State 2nd half
We got a down league this year.
I think it's pretty clear that UCONN has the best overall talent In our league.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2022, 10:31:47 PM
I think it's pretty clear that UCONN has the best overall talent In our league.
I agree because they have depth that Creighton does not.
We thinking 0-4 vs. the 2 of them or can we pick one of them off and catch them sleeping once?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
I agree because they have depth that Creighton does not.
We thinking 0-4 vs. the 2 of them or can we pick one of them off and catch them sleeping once?
Their back-up big can also play and is a freaking giant. They have a lot of overall size and pretty good shooters on the perimeter with Sanogo. They're a pretty complete team as far as I can tell.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
I agree because they have depth that Creighton does not.
We thinking 0-4 vs. the 2 of them or can we pick one of them off and catch them sleeping once?
We wont beat Uconn.
They own us. Not a good match up.
Could beat Creighton if things break right.
U Conn helped The Big East Cause with that with win over Bama
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
I agree because they have depth that Creighton does not.
We thinking 0-4 vs. the 2 of them or can we pick one of them off and catch them sleeping once?
COLE 1
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2022, 11:46:22 PM
We wont beat Uconn.
They own us. Not a good match up.
Could beat Creighton if things break right.
COLE 2
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
I agree because they have depth that Creighton does not.
We thinking 0-4 vs. the 2 of them or can we pick one of them off and catch them sleeping once?
Nah, we thinking 0-8 vs. the 2 of them, as Shaka's shabby squad will fall so badly to them both that the Big East will have no choice but to say each defeat equals 2 losses in the standings. And if MU plays one of them in the conference tourney, it'll be 2 more losses, so 0-10. Average margin of defeat: 30 points, give or take.
As Marquette fans, we're doomed. Not sure why we don't just cancel the season, especially after the loss to Georgia Tech.
Having now watched all the BEast teans I would say UCONN and Creighton are clearly better than us. Xavier is very likely better than us as well. Nova may get there with their two starters out and St. John's has some talented players that can go off. However, the idea that we are the 9th best team in the BEast has left the building for me. I could easily see us 4th or 5th and expect us to be no worse than 6th.
Lots of delicious cupcakes on schedule today . Big East should pick up some good optics for win loss . Of course with a Georgetown there is no such thing as a cupcake game .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 26, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
Of course with a Georgetown there is no such thing as a cupcake game .
None.
UMBC 27
Georgetown 19
10:25 1st
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 26, 2022, 11:20:35 AM
None.
UMBC 27
Georgetown 19
10:25 1st
I'm don't care what that blogger said about your alums not caring. There has to be one or two with deep pockets that care enough to get Ewing fired this year. You will fall to DePaul depths for years to come if this isn't rectified soon. Hang in there DFW!
UMBC 70
Georgetown 79
Final
UMBC was at one point shooting 13% in the second half, down 17 with 5:49, closed to five in the final minute.
Hoyas travel to Texas Tech Wednesday.
Johnnies and Georgetown producing wins is a good thing
Cooley & Company pad the win loss record against The Lions
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
35 assists to twenty turnovers, 60% of those in two games. 6/11 from three (as opposed to 6/34 through 6 games last year), shooting 50% on the season. That's playing under control.
Remember, he's the reason we beat Illinois last year. This gear hes not losing them games.
Lol 25%+ turnover rate and mostly against trash opponents. Yuck.
MU defends Big East and doesn't lose to a cupcake
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 26, 2022, 09:46:31 PM
MU defends Big East and doesn't lose to a cupcake
We lost, didn't cover.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 26, 2022, 06:51:27 PM
Lol 25%+ turnover rate and mostly against trash opponents. Yuck.
Yeah, they've yet to beat a team with a record currently over .500. Another weak non-con with only one chance at a good win.
Some opportunity games today in Big East.
Nova needs to get back in win column
X has a chance at to get a quality win
U Conn has a chance to win a tournament championship
Nova down 9 to Oregon. Ducks are playing two walk-ons and have seven scholarship players.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2022, 03:12:10 PM
Nova down 9 to Oregon. Ducks are playing two walk-ons and have seven scholarship players.
Nova starts a walkon in Ryan's brother. Its an even game.
Nova looks bad ... just as they did in Wright's second season and even moreso in 2011-12.
Whether this is a temporary setback for the program or a long-term one, we need to take advantage of it.
Nova drops to 2-5...
Nova crapping the bed left and right
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 27, 2022, 03:56:42 PM
Nova drops to 2-5...
Probs? Or will they be okay when two of their starters are back?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2022, 04:12:01 PM
Probs? Or will they be okay when two of their starters are back?
Their team will be just fine, but their situation may not be. They are leaving themselves no room for error when they do get back.
Seton Hall just lost to...Siena.
The Big East is STRUGGLING.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 27, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Seton Hall just lost to...Siena.
The Big East is STRUGGLING.
Ughhhhhhh.
Opportunities for greatness await.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2022, 06:45:31 PM
Opportunities for greatness await.
X is nor marking the spot right now. WTH?
Xavier can't score against Gonzaga.
This might just be a blowout.
It will likely come down to UCONN later tonight to avoid a winless Big East day.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 27, 2022, 06:52:11 PM
Xavier can't score against Gonzaga.
This might just be a blowout.
It will likely come down to UCONN later tonight to avoid a winless Big East day.
Hold up a sec......they just drained a three.
Now Xavier scoring easily but can't get a stop. Ugly stuff.
Xavier has a lead!
Gonzaga might not be good, but they are going to win a ton of games in their weak conference so this win could go a long way. Need Xavier to finish the job.
Xavier needs to focus and win this game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2022, 08:13:35 PM
Xavier needs to focus and win this game.
So much for that.
They lead by 8 with 6 minutes left. They now might trail by 8 after these Gonzaga free throws. Collapse.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 27, 2022, 08:22:38 PM
So much for that.
They lead by 8 with 6 minutes left. They now might trail by 8 after these Gonzaga free throws. Collapse.
Smh. UCONN or bust.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 27, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Seton Hall just lost to...Siena.
The Big East is STRUGGLING.
5th or 6th place finish doesn't seem that crazy right now.
I can even see 4th
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2022, 08:13:35 PM
Xavier needs to focus and win this game.
I wish X had signed onto Scoop and had read this post of yours so they could have focused.
The Hall pure embarrassment
X needed to closed out the win . Instead a wasted opportunity.
Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2022, 09:29:09 PM
I wish X had signed onto Scoop and had read this post of yours so they could have focused.
Clearly they did not. Total loss of focus. :)
UCONN looks legit.
Quote from: LAZER on November 27, 2022, 08:40:53 PM
5th or 6th place finish doesn't seem that crazy right now.
UConn and Creighton are a clear 1/2 right now
St. John's, MU, X, and, when healthy, Nova should be in the 3-6 range (though Nova losing to an Oregon team with six active scholarship players isn't a good sign, healthy or not, especially when that full strength UO team lost at home to UC Irvine).
I can't get a good read on PC right now 5th to 8th, so I'll say 7th
Seton Hall, DePaul, and Butler in 8-10 range
Georgetown 11th
Looking forward to see how Creighton fares on the road against a loaded Texas Longhorn Roster
Christian Bishop will likely be pumped up against his former school.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2022, 12:41:12 PM
Looking forward to see how Creighton fares on the road against a loaded Texas Longhorn Roster
Christian Bishop will likely be pumped up against his former school.
I'd say his former team has a bigger reason to be pumped up--this article about his transfer leads one to the conclusion that Bishop was a late bloomer who thought he was too good for Creighton.
https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2021/09/28/creighton-transfer-christian-bishop-looking-grow-his-game-texas/5907115001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2021/09/28/creighton-transfer-christian-bishop-looking-grow-his-game-texas/5907115001/)
Big East really needed MU's win tonight over a quality Big 12 opponent . Hopefully the other squads in the league can perform well against the Big 12 in their games
Solid win by The Johnnies against LIU to stay undefeated .
St John's is not good.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 29, 2022, 11:08:27 PM
St John's is not good.
I've been thinking this too, but you can't get through to anyone when they are 8-0.
Time will tell.
Last night was an adequate win for the conference.
Big East needs to build on momentum of MU win.
Butler with a solid first half lead over K State
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
Butler with a solid first half lead over K State
Is K.State any good?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 30, 2022, 06:59:49 PM
Is K.State any good?
51st in KenPom as of tonight and was +1 favorite. 6-0 with its best win being over LSU
Butler with a much needed win for The Big East tonight against K State
georgetown doing georgetown things.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 30, 2022, 08:24:30 PM
georgetown doing georgetown things.
And Providence is having serious issues.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 30, 2022, 08:27:56 PM
And Providence is having serious issues.
0-3 in their non-cupcake games in November. Those three games weren't that good either (Miami, Saint Louis, and TCU).
Is there any reason Ewing should make it through this season?
This has to be the worst Big East since the reformation. Creighton and UConn look solid at the top, but the bottom is so incredibly weak. GT, DP, PC, and SH are all atrocious. While that should be 8 wins right there for MU, .500 in conference isn't going to be enough to go dancing methinks.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on November 30, 2022, 09:12:23 PM
This has to be the worst Big East since the reformation. Creighton and UConn look solid at the top, but the bottom is so incredibly weak. GT, DP, PC, and SH are all atrocious. While that should be 8 wins right there for MU, .500 in conference isn't going to be enough to go dancing methinks.
I can almost guarantee they don't go 8-0 vs. those 4. There's no such thing as 8 gimme games in the Big East.
That being said, it depends who the wins are against. If they go 10-10 in the Big East with a win against each of Creighton and UConn then there's probably a pretty good case assuming we go 8-3 or 9-2 in the NonCon.
SMDH
DePaul........
Coach probably confused his guys by adding a third Blue to "Blue Blue."
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2022, 09:16:22 PM
I can almost guarantee they don't go 8-0 vs. those 4. There's no such thing as 8 gimme games in the Big East.
That being said, it depends who the wins are against. If they go 10-10 in the Big East with a win against each of Creighton and UConn then there's probably a pretty good case assuming we go 8-3 or 9-2 in the NonCon.
Fair enough, but this looks like a 4 bid league at the moment, 5 best case. We need to pick up some keynote wins—UW, ND, CU, UConn— because the bottom third of the league is really going to drag down everyone's computer numbers.
Looking forward to this Creighton/Texas game. I see UCONN is up 17 at the hslf.
Wow. I guess it's been complete brick city for both teams from distance.
Creighton 1/12 from 3 and Schiermann is 0/6
But only down 5 at half.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2022, 06:46:22 PM
Creighton 1/12 from 3 and Schiermann is 0/6
But only down 5 at half.
Yes, but Texas is only 1-7. Get Kalky more shots?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2022, 06:59:15 PM
Yes, but Texas is only 1-7. Get Kalky more shots?
No, get him less
Creighton looks really good right now.
Still cant buy a 3. But they are getting a good shot every time down the floor. Got Texas a good defensive team scrambling a lot.
1 for 15 ? Crazy. This game is right there for Creighton.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2022, 07:08:08 PM
Creighton looks really good right now.
Still cant buy a 3. But they are getting a good shot every time down the floor. Got Texas a good defensive team scrambling a lot.
Jinx.
Right after I say that Schierman starts trying to be Steph Curry and Alexander takes a long 2.
Texas on a quick 8-0 run to get back up 9.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2022, 07:14:14 PM
Jinx.
Right after I say that Schierman starts trying to be Steph Curry and Alexander takes a long 2.
Texas on a quick 8-0 run to get back up 9.
Creighton is pissing the bed. 1 for 19,??
You just cant win going 1/21 from 3 much less against #2.
Its amazing Creighton is even hanging as close as they are.
Have to bury a couple
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2022, 07:37:52 PM
You just cant win going 1/21 from 3 much less against #2.
Its amazing Creighton is even hanging as close as they are.
Have to bury a couple
It's incredible. They are 2-23 and only down 5.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2022, 07:40:54 PM
It's incredible. They are 2-23 and only down 5.
When they attack Texas has no answer.
If they dont force the looks they have a shot if a couple more 3s fall on the good looks. A lot of the misses have been wide open on drive and kicks, just bad luck.
That one bad stretch of 3 min where they forced shots is the difference so far
Damn, they were down 3 with the ball with 2 min left and stopped attacking again.
Texas wins. Bummer for league.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
When they attack Texas has no answer.
If they dont force the looks they have a shot if a couple more 3s fall on the good looks. A lot of the misses have been wide open on drive and kicks, just bad luck.
That one bad stretch of 3 min where they forced shots is the difference so far
They threw away a pretty good opportunity. A lot of wide open misses.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2022, 07:49:54 PM
They threw away a pretty good opportunity. A lot of wide open misses.
They clearly can play with any team in the country. Has to be fun for their fan base.
Can't let up when trying to knock off a good #2.
Ha....and then the guy makes that one. Smh.
He may have been fouled on that one.
Good win for U Conn
Creighton hung in there close despite their terrible shooting . They are going to be tough all year .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 01, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
Good win for U Conn
Creighton hung in there close despite their terrible shooting . They are going to be tough all year .
Just pedestrian shooting from 3 and Creighton wins going away.
X versus Huggy Bear going to be quite the battle
https://wvusports.com/news/2022/12/2/mens-basketball-huggins-renews-acquaintances-with-xavier-in-big-12-big-east-battle.aspx
Really big weekend for the BEast. We have a bunch of games where we are slight favorites and St.J at Iowa St. MU, Nova, and XU in particular have to take care of business.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2022, 09:34:45 AM
Really big weekend for the BEast. We have a bunch of games where we are slight favorites and St.J at Iowa St. MU, Nova, and XU in particular have to take care of business.
Cooley & Company need a win against cross town rival for win loss optics .
Grown just somehow got away with a clear jersey grab. They may come away with a W over South C.
I stand corrected, they didn't get away with it. Complete bonehead play, typical Gtown.
Georgetown led by 11 at the half. Again.
Lost in OT, 74-71.
Nova appears to be in trouble.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 03, 2022, 01:08:45 PM
Georgetown led by 11 at the half. Again.
Lost in OT, 74-71.
Brutal. I don't understand why Ewing is still there.
Nova getting absolutely destroyed on the glass.
Important win for Nova. They still have significant probs though.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
Brutal. I don't understand why Ewing is still there.
Short answer: buyout.
Longer, more troubling answer: no Plan B and institutional uncertainty on what follows.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2022, 01:42:53 PM
Important win for Nova. They still have significant probs though.
Nova win helped our cause
Is anybody else irritated seeing that before the MU-Wisconsin game on FS1 the mighty "GOLDEN EAGLES" from Tennessee Tech are playing Butler. I still cannot stand seeing that nickname and hate that it is so common.
Quote from: The Thing on December 03, 2022, 02:32:05 PM
Is anybody else irritated seeing that before the MU-Wisconsin game on FS1 the mighty "GOLDEN EAGLES" from Tennessee Tech are playing Butler. I still cannot stand seeing that nickname and hate that it is so common.
MOPE
Big win for X over Huggy Bear
Cooley & Company with win over in state rival.
Butler with a solid win over Tennessee Tech
Big East needs wins and these help
XU over Huggy Bear and West Virginia.
Helpful win for The Big East by DePaul over Loyola
Good opportunity for a quality win today for The Johnnies with road game against MU West
St.John's with 2 points in 8+ mins in Ames. Yikes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2022, 02:25:39 PM
St.John's with 2 points in 8+ mins in Ames. Yikes.
Hilton is an extremely hard place to play.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2022, 04:13:33 PM
Unsurprising result in Ames.
Assuming we'll get the result we want in the end but Creighton down 25-23 AT HOME to Nebraska at half...WTF
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2022, 04:13:33 PM
Unsurprising result in Ames.
Yes, saw upsets there when oldest went to school. Very tough place to play.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 04:25:46 PM
Assuming we'll get the result we want in the end but Creighton down 25-23 AT HOME to Nebraska at half...WTF
23 points?? Nebraska? WTF is correct.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2022, 04:30:22 PM
23 points?? Nebraska? WTF is correct.
The Big East is terrible.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 04, 2022, 04:25:53 PM
Yes, saw upsets there when oldest went to school. Very tough place to play.
Not an upset, just a good team (ISU) playing a bad team (SJU) and the good team won.
This is the classic Mike Anderson St. John's team that will have a great (9-2 or 10-1) non-con record then fall flat on their face in conference play. So far, he's 33-7 (26-1 in home buy games) in non-con and 23-33 in conference play.
If the over/under on Big East wins for St. John's is 8.5, my money would be on the under.
Quickly 31 to 23 Nebraska over Creighton 2 minutes into the 2nd half...come on...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 04:36:50 PM
Quickly 31 to 23 Nebraska over Creighton 2 minutes into the 2nd half...come on...
Total disaster if Creighton gets punked today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2022, 04:42:32 PM
Total disaster if Creighton gets punked today.
Their starters look gassed. They have no help behind them off the bench.
42-33 Nebraska over Creighton at the Under 8 timeout.
Damnit. What a horrible weekend of basketball.
THIRTY THREE...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 04:55:45 PM
42-33 Nebraska over Creighton at the Under 8 timeout.
Damnit. What a horrible weekend of basketball.
THIRTY THREE...
BB
Beyond Brutal.
big least is bad. a finish under 5th would be disapointing. looks like uconn is going to carry the confrence going forward. who knows what happens with nova. i think they fall off a bit. hope uconn doesnt leave or the big east may be the atlantic ten with sugar on top.
This would truly be an embarrassing loss for Crieghton in their building.
Creighton clearly not ready to play today.
They really are going to do it.
Creighton gonna post a fat home L to Nebraska. This is clearly UConn's league.
Creighton is looking to emulate the blue bloods. They saw UNC get to #1 and proceed to lose four straight, so when they got into the top-10 at #7, they promptly lost 3 in a row. Going for the fourth straight loss against BYU on Saturday.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2022, 04:35:43 PM
Not an upset, just a good team (ISU) playing a bad team (SJU) and the good team won.
This is the classic Mike Anderson St. John's team that will have a great (9-2 or 10-1) non-con record then fall flat on their face in conference play. So far, he's 33-7 (26-1 in home buy games) in non-con and 23-33 in conference play.
If the over/under on Big East wins for St. John's is 8.5, my money would be on the under.
Not saying otherwise, just saying even favored teams come on empty there a lot. They call it Hilton magic, the student body shows up for both football and basketball.
Creighton with an embarrassing loss. This definitely does not help the Big East Cause.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2022, 06:24:12 PM
Creighton with an embarrassing loss. This definitely does not help the Big East Cause.
Mid major
Again, the team that was like 50th in KenPom last year and added a mid major transfer not being a top 5 team is surprising to nobody who pays attention.
The Big East is fine. When your down year is 10/11 teams in the top 100 and 6/11 teams in the top 50, you're doing okay.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2022, 07:45:24 PM
Again, the team that was like 50th in KenPom last year and added a mid major transfer not being a top 5 team is surprising to nobody who pays attention.
The Big East is fine. When you're down year is 10/11 teams in the top 100 and 6/11 teams in the top 50, you're doing okay.
Mid major BE sucks!
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2022, 06:24:12 PM
Creighton with an embarrassing loss. This definitely does not help the Big East Cause.
Creighton shot 40 3s, made 10. Too many taken, too few made.
Well, we can end the "Power 6" delusion.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 04:31:03 PM
The Big East is terrible.
I thought there were fewer freebie wins in the Big East this season?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2022, 08:08:02 PM
Well, we can end the "Power 6" delusion.
Let me know when the Big East finishes below the 5th best conference in the country.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 04, 2022, 08:16:29 PM
I thought there were fewer freebie wins in the Big East this season?
There are because the whole league is down.
It is UCONN and maybe Creighton at the top, some slop in the middle and Georgetown at the bottom.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2022, 08:08:02 PM
Well, we can end the "Power 6" delusion.
We're currently ranked ahead of the Pac 12 and ACC. So are we kicking them out of the Power 6 too?
Since the league reformed, we've been the worst conference in the Power 6 once. Most years we are one of the top 3 (though usually third and never first).
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 08:20:23 PM
There are because the whole league is down.
It is UCONN and maybe Creighton at the top, some slop in the middle and Georgetown at the bottom.
Uh huh. Marquette is up 40 spots in Kenpom from what they were last season (and for those who don't like KenPom is playing much better than they did last season no matter what metric or eye test you use). So better Marquette + worse Big East = more or less freebies in conference for Marquette?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2022, 08:08:02 PM
Well, we can end the "Power 6" delusion.
No worse than rooting for an EFL team, aina?
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 04, 2022, 08:22:52 PM
Uh huh. Marquette is up 40 spots in Kenpom from what they were last season (and for those who don't like KenPom is playing much better than they did last season no matter what metric or eye test you use). So better Marquette + worse Big East = more or less freebies in conference for Marquette?
If only KenPom through 9 games guaranteed conference results.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 08:26:29 PM
If only KenPom through 9 games guaranteed conference results.
It doesn't, but just shows that you have no basis for your assertions you are just moping to set up a win win situation for yourself. Either your team makes the NCAAT or you get to crow about how you were right. Be brave, take away the safety net.
And to be clear, it's fine to think this team won't make the postseason. But you predicting losses for every game (or close hard fought wins against cupcakes) plus takes such as Wisconsin being better than Baylor, the flip flopping, and the assertion that there are less freebies for Marquette this season while simultaneously saying the Big East is terrible....it's hard to take it seriously.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 04, 2022, 08:36:07 PM
It doesn't, but just shows that you have no basis for your assertions you are just moping to set up a win win situation for yourself. Either your team makes the NCAAT or you get to crow about how you were right. Be brave, take away the safety net.
The only win for me is Marquette being good.
I get nothing from anything else.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2022, 08:38:55 PM
The only win for me is Marquette being good.
I get nothing from anything else.
I don't believe you given your attempts to crow about Radford and Wisconsin already.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 04, 2022, 08:40:41 PM
I don't believe you given your attempts to crow about Radford and Wisconsin already.
Huh?
I think to be in the NCAA tournament MU will have to finish 5th at worst in the BEast. That said I believe we could easily finish 1-4.
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2022, 08:23:39 PM
No worse than rooting for an EFL team, aina?
Did anyone answer your question why Manchester has two teams but London none? Did they keep a straight face?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2022, 08:53:50 PM
Did anyone answer your question why Manchester has two teams but London none? Did they keep a straight face?
Soccer
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2022, 07:45:24 PM
Again, the team that was like 50th in KenPom last year and added a mid major transfer not being a top 5 team is surprising to nobody who pays attention.
The Big East is fine. When your down year is 10/11 teams in the top 100 and 6/11 teams in the top 50, you're doing okay.
I would caution you against believing either of those things right now when there is so much old data included in kenpom.
Butler Bulldogs hosting 8-1 Yale Bulldogs tonight . May the best Dog win.
Solid win for Butler over the 8-1 Yale Bulldogs.
DePaul/St. John's has the potential to be must see TV if DePaul can keep it close.
David Jones against his former team. I imagine there is some bad blood there.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
DePaul/St. John's has the potential to be must see TV if DePaul can keep it close.
David Jones against his former team. I imagine there is some bad blood there.
DePaul and St John's is never must see TV
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2022, 01:50:56 PM
DePaul and St John's is never must see TV
There's always a 1st time for everything.
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2022, 01:50:56 PM
DePaul and St John's is never must see TV
5th best game of the night. DePaul/STJ into UConn/Florida, not too bad.
Many games tonight.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63704.msg1487899#msg1487899
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2022, 02:24:53 PM
Many games tonight.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63704.msg1487899#msg1487899
Interested to see how Whitmore looks in his 2nd game. He alone could really shake up the Big East with how he impacts Villanova.
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2022, 01:50:56 PM
DePaul and St John's is never must see TV
It'll end in a tie?
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2022, 01:50:56 PM
DePaul and St John's is never must see TV
1987 NCAA tournament Depaul a 3 seed St. John's a 6 seed
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2022, 02:51:09 PM
1987 NCAA tournament Depaul a 3 seed St. John's a 6 seed
Were you even conceived yet?
DePaul must have still been an independent back then.
Why are these two teams playing on 12/7?
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 07, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
Why are these two teams playing on 12/7?
Was wondering the same thing. But all I can tell is that it was intentionally scheduled this way!?
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2022/9/9/big-east-announces-2022-23-mens-basketball-schedule.aspx
QuoteThe 110-game BIG EAST conference schedule begins Wednesday, Dec. 7, with DePaul traveling to play St. John's at Carnesecca Arena on FS1.
Clearly the league wanted to kick off the conference season with a blockbuster event.
Didn't Mark Aguirre at one time want to coach DePaul?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2022, 07:19:48 PM
Good question.
They are honoring the veterans (only a few are left} on Pearl Harbor Day. St. John's is sinking a ship named Blue! Blue!
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 07, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
Why are these two teams playing on 12/7?
St John's is playing next Saturday Dec 17 in the Orange Bowl Classic v Florida State. De Paul is playing Northwestern the same day.
My guess is they scheduled this game early to accommodate both.
who tf is Hall.playing
Quote from: Johnny B on December 07, 2022, 08:41:24 PM
who tf is Hall.playing
Lincoln, PA?? Is this a high school program?
It's a D2 program.
The Johnnies , Nova and Georgetown help The Big East cause with some wins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2022, 08:47:55 PM
Lincoln, PA?? Is this a high school program?
One of their assistants was the former head coach there.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
One of their assistants was the former head coach there.
Exhibition? Ok. Dec game? Gross.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2022, 09:31:33 PM
Exhibition? Ok. Dec game? Gross.
Seemed like an odd choice. Corey Lowery was on staff at St. Peter's before taking the Lincoln job, then Sha brought him back when he got SHU. Maybe it was part of the buyout? Glad that we don't have any such games. I really don't get a high-major ever bringing in a D2/D3. Unless maybe you're Louisville and you can't beat anyone in D1.
Lol. Yeah. I'd be afraid of d2 if I was Louisville this year tho.. migh be afraid of a rando 40+ league
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 07, 2022, 08:53:59 PM
The Johnnies , Nova and Georgetown help The Big East cause with some wins.
Does the Johnnies beating another Big East team help the Big East's cause?
Watched a majority of that SJU DePaul game. A few things I gathered on both.
SJU - Soriano is going to get his. Dude has seriously improved. However, Anderson really doesn't have them run lots of plays. More just tries to win on sheer athleticism and speeding up the other team (which worked against DePaul). If we don't get sped up, can beat this team twice
DePaul - Missing their two best big men and they definitely need them. Horrible at handling the pressure and got lost all over the place on D. If people make their open looks, Kolek might have 20 assists each game against the Blue Demons.
Quote from: zcg2013 on December 08, 2022, 09:48:32 AM
Watched a majority of that SJU DePaul game. A few things I gathered on both.
SJU - Soriano is going to get his. Dude has seriously improved. However, Anderson really doesn't have them run lots of plays. More just tries to win on sheer athleticism and speeding up the other team (which worked against DePaul). If we don't get sped up, can beat this team twice
DePaul - Missing their two best big men and they definitely need them. Horrible at handling the pressure and got lost all over the place on D. If people make their open looks, Kolek might have 20 assists each game against the Blue Demons.
Never easy sweeping DePaul. We have done it six times in the last twenty years and there has been some awful DePaul teams in that span and some Top 10 teams for Marquette. I go to the game every year in Chicago and other than some exceptions it is always a battle.
Sweeping DePaul
Madison stinks this year
Two fallacies that Marquette fans seem to spew every single year.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 08, 2022, 10:34:25 AM
Sweeping DePaul
Madison stinks this year
Two fallacies that Marquette fans seem to spew every single year.
Madison stinks. Unfortunately, so does the rest of college basketball.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 08, 2022, 10:14:25 AM
Never easy sweeping DePaul. We have done it six times in the last twenty years and there has been some awful DePaul teams in that span and some Top 10 teams for Marquette. I go to the game every year in Chicago and other than some exceptions it is always a battle.
There's a reason I didn't say we should beat DePaul twice. I know all too well about the games that we mess up in grand fashion.
There's nothing wrong with believing that we should beat DePaul twice. I do. We're clearly the better team.
But we're all smart enough to know that the better team doesn't necessarily win each given game, and we also have memories of some agonizing losses to DePaul when we were by far the better team.
If one looks at the group of DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Butler and Seton Hall, it's not outrageous for a Marquette fan to say, "I think we'll win 8 of those 10 games." If that happens to include 2 expected wins vs. DePaul, it's easily supportable.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 08, 2022, 10:14:25 AM
Never easy sweeping DePaul. We have done it six times in the last twenty years
This is a troubling fact
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 08, 2022, 10:14:25 AM
Never easy sweeping DePaul. We have done it six times in the last twenty years and there has been some awful DePaul teams in that span and some Top 10 teams for Marquette. I go to the game every year in Chicago and other than some exceptions it is always a battle.
There were 4 times in those 20 years (08, 11, 12, & 13) where we only played DePaul once and we beat them.
Quote from: The Lens on December 08, 2022, 11:38:18 AM
There were 4 times in those 20 years (08, 11, 12, & 13) where we only played DePaul once and we beat them.
True. Maybe a better way to look at it is away games: Since 2002 we have played them away 17 times. Our record in those games is 8-9 and we have lost 2 home games in that span.
Think of some of those Marquette teams in that span and how poor DePaul was for a bulk of those. Sweeping them is not easy.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball link=topic=63698.msg1488111#msg1488111 date=
Does the Johnnies beating another Big East team help the Big East's cause?
Depends on who the other Big East team is.
This year, by all appearances DePaul and Georgetown likely have no shot at post-season play, so any wins by them (other than to each other) hurts the cause of another team qualifying.
Maximizing bids for the Big East requires a handful of teams to absorb a ton of losses, allowing more teams to finish .500 or better.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 08, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
Depends on who the other Big East team is.
This year, by all appearances DePaul and Georgetown likely have no shot at post-season play, so any wins by them (other than to each other) hurts the cause of another team qualifying.
Maximizing bids for the Big East requires a handful of teams to absorb a ton of losses, allowing more teams to finish .500 or better.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 08, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
Depends on who the other Big East team is.
This year, by all appearances DePaul and Georgetown likely have no shot at post-season play, so any wins by them (other than to each other) hurts the cause of another team qualifying.
Maximizing bids for the Big East requires a handful of teams to absorb a ton of losses, allowing more teams to finish .500 or better.
That's fair. I don't think SJU makes the tourney but they certainly have a better chance than DePaul does
I think Georgetown would beat Dawson and his crew at Minnesota. They look rough.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2022, 11:12:04 AM
There's nothing wrong with believing that we should beat DePaul twice. I do. We're clearly the better team.
But we're all smart enough to know that the better team doesn't necessarily win each given game, and we also have memories of some agonizing losses to DePaul when we were by far the better team.
If one looks at the group of DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Butler and Seton Hall, it's not outrageous for a Marquette fan to say, "I think we'll win 8 of those 10 games." If that happens to include 2 expected wins vs. DePaul, it's easily supportable.
"But we're all smart enough to know that the better team doesn't necessarily win each given game" I wish that argument worked against Badger-guy. Then again, Badger-guy and Smart-guy not exactly aligned.
Great opportunity Sunday for MU to help The Big East cause
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 10, 2022, 06:21:33 AM
Great opportunity today for MU to help The Big East cause
By preparing for the game tomorrow? ;)
I don't know that beating Loyola Chicago today will greatly help the league's cause, but I suppose it won't hurt.
Georgetown: Up 11 in the first half, lost by 19.
Final:
Georgetown 64
Syracuse 83
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 10, 2022, 02:43:28 PM
Georgetown: Up 11 in the first half, lost by 19.
Final:
Georgetown 64
Syracuse 83
On National TV too
X wins The Crosstown Shoot Out at Cincinnati .
Very helpful to the Big East Cause .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 10, 2022, 04:49:34 PM
X wins The Crosstown Shoot Out at Cincinnati .
Very helpful to the Big East Cause .
is Cincy a tournament team Herman? I have the impression they're not.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
is Cincy a tournament team Herman? I have the impression they're not.
You do know that he is dead.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
is Cincy a tournament team Herman? I have the impression they're not.
They have a tough road to make the NCAAT. Their best wins are against either #171 Bryant at home or #237 Louisville on a neutral court. They also have to overcome a home loss to #224 Northern Kentucky. They played Arizona and Xavier tough but ultimately lost both. No meaningful games left in their OOC. Will likely need 14ish wins (out of 18) in the AAC to make themselves tournament worthy.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 10, 2022, 05:13:54 PM
They have a tough road to make the NCAAT. Their best wins are against either #171 Bryant at home or #237 Louisville on a neutral court. They also have to overcome a home loss to #224 Northern Kentucky. They played Arizona and Xavier tough but ultimately lost both. No meaningful games left in their OOC. Will likely need 14ish wins (out of 18) in the AAC to make themselves tournament worthy.
Ouch. That's worse than I thought.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
is Cincy a tournament team Herman? I have the impression they're not.
I am guessing a true road win may age well for X by the end of the season. That would be contingent on Cincy have a good season in their conference .
Butler with good optics going to 8-3 non conference with win over The Golden Bears .
The Bulldog fan base should be pumped up with their new Head Coach delivering some wins .
Marquette plays Creighton on Friday.
"Creighton center Ryan Kalkbrenner is in the locker room while everyone else warms up. He won't play today due to a non-COVID related illness. He'll be a day-to-day decision moving forward."
*For tonight's game between Creighton and BYU.
Creighton fans on Twitter saying Kalkbrenner has looked sick and slow since Maui. Hopefully nothing serious for him.
Creighton down 4 at the half to a bad BYU team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 10, 2022, 10:14:32 PM
Creighton down 4 at the half to a bad BYU team.
This would be a BAD loss Brew. Even without Kalky. Creighton has a lot of talent and truthfully should have beaten Zona and Texas. What in the world has happened to this team? Or were they overhyped?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 10:24:30 PM
This would be a BAD loss Brew. Even without Kalky. Creighton has a lot of talent and truthfully should have beaten Zona and Texas. What in the world has happened to this team? Or were they overhyped?
They finished 50th at KenPom and added a good mid major transfer. They were never a top 5 team.
They miss miss Rati.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2022, 10:32:28 PM
They finished 50th at KenPom and added a good mid major transfer. They were never a top 5 team.
They miss miss Rati.
It's not good for us or the BEast if they lose this game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 10:24:30 PM
This would be a BAD loss Brew. Even without Kalky. Creighton has a lot of talent and truthfully should have beaten Zona and Texas. What in the world has happened to this team? Or were they overhyped?
If they should have beaten Zona and Texas they would have beaten Zona and Texas.
Creighton is getting embarrassed right now.
Creighton started 6-0.
On the verge of being 6-4 if they don't find their legs in the last 5 minutes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 10:58:38 PM
Creighton started 6-0.
On the verge of being 6-4 if they don't find their legs in the last 5 minutes.
They're getting completely outworked and exhibiting crappy poise and discipline.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:00:21 PM
They're getting completely outworked and exhibiting crappy poise and discipline.
You just know they'll be desperate for a win and probably hit ridiculous shots next Friday because that's how it always goes.
I think Brew called this from the start of the season. This Creighton team had the makings to disappoint. They are still a strong team and are going to make noise eventually but they weren't top 5 good.
Creighton not done yet!
What a run!
Maybe BYU will hand them a come-back win.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:13:57 PM
Maybe BYU will hand them a come-back win.
They are trying to!
lol uconn only ranked team. wherr all yhe ppl sayimg tjis wqa bad idea
Not exaggerating when I say this last 3 minutes from BYU is the worst basketball I've seen this season.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
They are trying to!
That "lob pass" breaking the press was a real beauty.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 10, 2022, 11:14:56 PM
lol uconn only ranked team. wherr all yhe ppl sayimg tjis wqa bad idea
Have another one.
Maybe avoid Scoop when it's past 9 PM. Things don't seem to go well for you.
I've seen meltdowns.....this one would be way up there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:20:14 PM
I've seen meltdowns.....this one would be way up there.
Big East needed it though. Creighton needs this win.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 11:24:12 PM
Big East needed it though. Creighton needs this win.
Definitely. Hopefully they pull this off. I believe in less than two mins BYU has 6 turns and two missed free throws.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 10:58:38 PM
Creighton started 6-0.
On the verge of being 6-4 if they don't find their legs in the last 5 minutes.
I don't know that Crieghton actually found their legs. More like BYU cut their own legs off.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:20:14 PM
I've seen meltdowns.....this one would be way up there.
It's been over 3 minutes since BYU even got past half court.
Fk. Call a time-out.
And then McDermott hands them the game.
☠☠☠
Creighton works all the way back for a lead and BYU scores on their final shot attempt. Back breaker.
What a wild game.
Quote from: Jockey on December 10, 2022, 11:28:29 PM
And then McDermott hands them the game.
That was awful on both ends of thr floor.
The winning hoop was the only time they got the ball over half court in over 3 1/2 minutes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
☠☠☠
Creighton works all the way back for a lead and BYU scores on their final shot attempt. Back breaker.
What a wild game.
You can't let a guy go all the way wirb his dominant hand. Hoops 101.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:26:24 PM
Definitely. Hopefully they pull this off. I believe in less than two mins BYU has 6 turns and two missed free throws.
Roller coaster of emotions there for their fans in the last 15 minutes, but there's zero moral victories. This is two terrible losses in a row for Creighton.
Quote from: Jockey on December 10, 2022, 11:30:21 PM
The winning hoop was the only time they got the ball over half court in over 3 1/2 minutes.
That whole 3 minutes blended into one play in my mind. I don't even remember what all happened because it looked like a poor press break on loop for 3 minutes.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 10, 2022, 11:31:11 PM
Roller coaster of emotions there for their fans in the last 15 minutes, but there's zero moral victories. This is two terrible losses in a row for Creighton.
A 6 game winning streak followed by a 4 game losing streak.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 10, 2022, 11:31:11 PM
Roller coaster of emotions there for their fans in the last 15 minutes, but there's zero moral victories. This is two terrible losses in a row for Creighton.
Exactly. I'm a bit concerned that to make the tournament we will have to be top 4 or possibly top 3.
just ban me 8 to 12 midnight fri saturday thx
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:34:16 PM
Exactly. I'm a bit concerned that to make thr tournament we will have to be top 4 or possibly top 3.
If we win tomorrow and go 10-10 in conference with a win against UCONN that's probably be enough.
1 game at a time though I suppose! Beat ND!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 11:41:20 PM
If we win tomorrow and go 10-10 in conference with a win against UCONN that's probably be enough.
1 game at a time though I suppose! Beat ND!
I don't see 10-10 getting it done. This is a highly unusual year for the BEast.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:46:33 PM
I don't see 10-10 getting it done. Thus is a highly unusual year for the BEast.
I have a hard time believing 18-13, 10-10 with wins against Baylor and UCONN wouldn't be enough, but I'd rather not find out and just win 12 or 13. I personally think that is even asking a lot, but I just enjoy watching this team play. I just hope they are rewarded with wins for their effort.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2022, 12:18:51 AM
I have a hard time believing 18-13, 10-10 with wins against Baylor and UCONN wouldn't be enough, but I'd rather not find out and just win 12 or 13. I personally think that is even asking a lot, but I just enjoy watching this team play. I just hope they are rewarded with wins for their effort.
You're right that it's about who you beat but it's also about bad losses. The overall strength of our league is definitely down from past seasons.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2022, 12:30:36 AM
You're right that it's about who you beat but it's also about bad losses. The overall strength of our league is definitely down from past seasons.
That's why 10-10 won't do it. You're not getting to 10 losses without likely taking a couple that offset the value of 2 good wins.
Avoiding bad losses means sweeping Georgetown, DePaul, probably Providence and Seton Hall too. You can maybe drop one in that group, but you don't want to drop more. So 7-1 there, assuming a UConn split you get to 8-2. That means going 2-8 against Creighton, Butler, Villanova, Xavier, and St John's. That's an NIT resume.
So the bad news is that we probably need 12-8 to get in. But we don't need UConn. If we're 7-1 against the bottom, lose both to UConn, but go 5-5 against the middle that should be enough.
It's all academic though, because we're top-2 in the league.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2022, 11:34:16 PM
Exactly. I'm a bit concerned that to make the tournament we will have to be top 4 or possibly top 3.
NIT here we come
C'mon. Johnny B drunk posts are comedy gold.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 10, 2022, 11:35:55 PM
just ban me 8 to 12 midnight fri saturday thx
I thought you were trying your best 4ever impersonation
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2022, 12:18:51 AM
I have a hard time believing 18-13, 10-10 with wins against Baylor and UCONN wouldn't be enough, but I'd rather not find out and just win 12 or 13. I personally think that is even asking a lot, but I just enjoy watching this team play. I just hope they are rewarded with wins for their effort.
.500 has not been enough on its own to make the tournament.
Since the restructuring, 10 teams have finished at .500 in Big East regular season play
- Five lost their first game in the BET, none of them made the NCAA tournament
Five won their first game, and 4 of them made the tournament.
2014:
9-9 MU did not make the tournament after losing its first BET game to Xavier
2015:
9-9 Xavier made the tournament after reaching the Championship game of the BET.
2016:
9-9 Creighton did not make the tournament after losing in the BET to Seton Hall
2017:
9-9 Xavier made the tournament after beating Butler in the BET
2018:
9-9 Butler made the tournament after beating Seton Hall
9-9 Marquette did not after losing to Villanova in the first round
2019:
9-9 Seton Hall - made the tournament after reaching the Championship game
9-9 Georgetown - did not make the tournament, lost its first game to Seton Hall
9-9 Xavier - did not make the tournament, won its first game in the quarterfinals, then lost to Villanova
9-9 Creighton - did not make the tournament, lost its first game to Xavier
2021:
No .500 teams
2022:
No .500 teams
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 10, 2022, 11:16:19 PM
Not exaggerating when I say this last 3 minutes from BYU is the worst basketball I've seen this season.
You must not have seen Northwestern vs Georgetown.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on December 11, 2022, 11:16:58 AM
You must not have seen Northwestern vs Georgetown.
For those that haven't seen and want to.
Fast forward to 20:55 and have a look. It was horrible to watch.
https://youtu.be/fBwDN5aX5PA
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 11, 2022, 06:39:26 AM
It's all academic though, because we're top-2 in the league.
Exactly.
Announcers in this Va Tech/Ok. State game just said the ACC is murderer's row and Va Tech will have a tough time ahead in league play...get ready for a Notre Dame favored broadcast lol
My CBS App tells me Seton Hall/Rutgers is tied at 38 at the under 8 timeout in the 2nd half. Sounds like a brick fest.
Seton Hall wins at Rutgers.
45 to 43 (lol)
Seton Hall beat in state rival Rutgers in a low scoring game
SH ? Sounds like an awful game ..
But it's a win for BE over B 10 / 14
Every tiny bit helps. :)
I guess Kalky is still out.
Healthy enough to be sitting on the bench.
Creighton is getting spanked.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Healthy enough to be sitting on the bench.
Mono is very contagious
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Healthy enough to be sitting on the bench.
Is mono the reason? If so, he may need to be out for several weeks. Sometimes you can get an enlarged spleen and can't play contact sports for up to 6 weeks after being diagnosed.
Just a guess. I thought someone mentioned mono at some point in this thread.
Dr B we posted at the same time.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 12, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
Is mono the reason? If so, he may need to be out for several weeks. Sometimes you can get an enlarged spleen and can't play contact sports for up to 6 weeks after being diagnosed.
Just a guess. I thought someone mentioned mono at some point in this thread.
Creighton fans have been saying "he's looked sick" since Maui. Not sure if he actually was or not obviously but he may have already been playing sick if true.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
Creighton fans have been saying "he's looked sick" since Maui. Not sure if he actually was or not obviously but he may have already been playing sick if true.
It seems Creighton has been the most unlucky team in the conference over the years when it comes to injuries or key players missing games.
Who is Jack Jones?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 12, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
Is mono the reason? If so, he may need to be out for several weeks. Sometimes you can get an enlarged spleen and can't play contact sports for up to 6 weeks after being diagnosed.
Just a guess. I thought someone mentioned mono at some point in this thread.
I had a bad bout of mono in my prime. Out for the count for 1.5 years. Lost like 40 pounds when I couldn't afford to, couldn't walk around the block. Affects the liver too (didn't drink for all that time plus...made up for it in Ft. Myers).
There we go Creighton!
14-0 run!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
There we go Creighton!
14-0 run!
Now they need to sustain the lead
What could possibly have happened for someone to name their kid Baylor?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
There we go Creighton!
14-0 run!
Hurley with a purposeful tech.
It would be much better for us if Creighton finds a way to win this game.
Pretty entertaining game.
I'd like for Creighton to win this one so we can beat them on Friday. With each loss they take you have to assume they break their losing streak eventually.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 09:50:52 PM
Pretty entertaining game.
I'd like for Creighton to win this one so we can beat them on Friday. With each loss they take you have to assume they break their losing streak eventually.
Exactly. And Kalky may be back. Bur in the last minute or so Creighton did some idiotic things out there. Including Nembhard dribbling 500 times.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 12, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Exactly. And Kalky may be back. Bur in the last minute or so Creighton did some idiotic things out there. Including Nembhard dribbling 500 times.
I'd rather have him back. The optics will look better regardless of result and he'll likely be slow if recovering from illness.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 09:56:51 PM
I'd rather have him back. The optics will look better regardless of result and he'll likely be slow if recovering from illness.
The bottom line is a W is imperative. :)
Another Creighton L
Not sure having your terrible shooting PG bombing away from Kam Jones territory is what you want when calling a TO to draw up a play.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 12, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
The bottom line is a W is imperative. :)
Welp they'll be desperate playing like their season is on the line...because it might be now.
6-5.
6 game winning streak followed by a 5 game losing streak. Wow.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 12, 2022, 10:07:14 PM
Another Creighton L
Not sure having your terrible shooting PG bombing away from Kam Jones territory is what you want when calling a TO to draw up a play.
That's the play McD set up?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 12, 2022, 10:07:14 PM
Another Creighton L
Not sure having your terrible shooting PG bombing away from Kam Jones territory is what you want when calling a TO to draw up a play.
Let it fly
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 12, 2022, 10:07:53 PM
Welp they'll be desperate playing like their season is on the line...because it might be now.
6-5.
6 game winning streak followed by a 5 game losing streak. Wow.
Yes. We need to essentially smother their will. But frankly I didn't see much tenacity from Creighton down the stretch tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 12, 2022, 10:11:23 PM
Yes. We need to essentially smother their will. But frankly I didn't see much tenacity from Creighton down the stretch tonight.
Play our game. Nothing in the past matters, nothing past Friday matters. I trust Shaka will have them ready.
A real shot to completely ruin their season. I'm for it.
Will their center vibe back Friday? He travelled with the team so can't be that bad right? Hm
Just jumped in on the live Creighton Fan Twitter Spaces and it is something.
They are at a complete loss of words.
X helps The Big East cause with a big win over Southern
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 13, 2022, 08:13:30 PM
X helps The Big East cause with a big win over Southern
NC central only lost by 10 to LSU.
Chicago State is up on Murray St.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 13, 2022, 08:16:29 PM
NC central only lost by 10 to LSU.
Chicago State is up on Murray St.
Chicago State was up 15 at half. 14 with 11 minutes left. They lost by 1 of course.
DePaul is a 3.5 point dog to Duquesne. My goodness.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2022, 12:55:16 PM
DePaul is a 3.5 point dog to Duquesne. My goodness.
Big Game for Duquesne . They have not had many home games against schools from High Major Conferences
https://goduquesne.com/news/2022/12/12/mens-basketball-preview-duquesne-vs-depaul
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2022, 12:55:16 PM
DePaul is a 3.5 point dog to Duquesne. My goodness.
DePaul plays a funnel defense, and they are without their bigs. Also Caleb Murphey's been injured all season. And its a road game.
They've benefited from the Murphy injury. They'll get worse when he comes back.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2022, 05:48:23 PM
They've benefited from the Murphy injury. They'll get worse when he comes back.
Depends on his role. He is better than Ahamad Bynum.
Duquense??? I guess Mark Aguirre isn't walking through that door.
Didn't even come close to covering.
Woof!
Solid win for The Hall. Had some injuries though. Big game against Cooley & Company coming.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/15/seton-hall-basketball-handles-drexel-as-injuries-mount/69723303007/
georgetown is a f kin joke. disgrace how far they have fallen. wtf???
Quote from: Johnny B on December 16, 2022, 07:22:22 PM
georgetown is a f kin joke. disgrace how far they have fallen. wtf???
There what.....in the 250 range among D-1 teams?
Quote from: Johnny B on December 16, 2022, 07:22:22 PM
georgetown is a f kin joke. disgrace how far they have fallen. wtf???
Dont get me wrong, they stink.
But tonight they have basically played to the spread all night
DePaul just lost to Northwestern by 38 points in the Battle of Teams Chicago Could Give Two Shytes About.
Blue! Blue blue!
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
DePaul just lost to Northwestern by 38 points in the Battle of Teams Chicago Could Give Two Shytes About.
Blue! Blue blue!
Hope we split with them this year
The PG that Xavier picked up from the transfer portal, Souley Boum ... man, he looked good yesterday against Georgetown. I look forward to seeing him against a real opponent.
Nova down 4 against St.Joes with 17 minute to play.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 03:56:54 PM
The PG that Xavier picked up from the transfer portal, Souley Boum ... man, he looked good yesterday against Georgetown. I look forward to seeing him against a real opponent.
yet Gtown did drop 89. What's that say for X?
Quote from: Viper on December 17, 2022, 04:14:44 PM
yet Gtown did drop 89. What's that say for X?
The pace of the game was very fast, but yes, Sean Miller did publicly criticize his team's defense.
None of which nullifies my comment about Boum.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 03:56:54 PM
The PG that Xavier picked up from the transfer portal, Souley Boum ... man, he looked good yesterday against Georgetown. I look forward to seeing him against a real opponent.
That kid is having an insanely good year. Massive get for Xavier. Shooting 54% from 3 and getting to the free throw line a ton. Will be interesting to see who draws him as their matchup when we play X - probably Stevie.
SJU with a comfy win over a scuffling FSU team. Curbelo looks WAYYY better than he did with all the hype last year at Illinois. Guess all he needed to do was go back home to NYC and put on some terrible rec specs
Manny Bates is going to be a problem for Marquette when we get that far into the season.
He is huge.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 17, 2022, 06:11:52 PM
Manny Bates is going to be a problem for Marquette when we get that far into the season.
He is huge.
Marquette is going to be a problem for Butler
UCONN 21
Butler 14
At the Under 4.
That's some old school Big East basketball.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
DePaul just lost to Northwestern by 38 points in the Battle of Teams Chicago Could Give Two Shytes About.
Blue! Blue blue!
38???? Unreal.
its depaul
They blew blew it today.
Wow....Butler only down 4.
Okay....Sanogo slammed the door.
Sanogo is a significant prob btw.
UConn is a problem.
Ali on Butler gets a flagrant one for such a clear slap to head and Jop gets flag 2?
Yeah that makes sense. ::)
uconn might win it all
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 17, 2022, 07:44:38 PM
Ali on Butler gets a flagrant one for such a clear slap to head and Jop gets flag 2?
Yeah that makes sense. ::)
I almost started a whole thread about that. Crazy difference in officiating.
Don't get hurt.
The fact that he can hit the makes things tough. Is Wrightsil done?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2022, 08:05:23 PM
The fact that he can hit the makes things tough. Is Wrightsil done?
Yes
Quote from: JWags85 on December 17, 2022, 05:18:39 PM
SJU with a comfy win over a scuffling FSU team. Curbelo looks WAYYY better than he did with all the hype last year at Illinois. Guess all he needed to do was go back home to NYC and put on some terrible rec specs
Perhaps you know this, but at least his claim is that after his concussion(s?) last year he was having vision/focus problems with stadium lighting. Apparently the specs help him with that.
Cooley & Company quietly posting a 9-3 record after win over The Hall
Good to see the Johnnies beat an ACC team even though the Seminoles suck this year
Also Nova digging out from the early season avalanche with a Big 5 win
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 16, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Dont get me wrong, they stink.
But tonight they have basically played to the spread all night
Georgetown missed 13 free throws, lost by 13.
It's rare to score 89 points in any game and never really contend. The Hoyas held the lead for a total of 22 seconds in this game.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 17, 2022, 09:58:14 PM
Georgetown missed 13 free throws, lost by 13.
It's rare to score 89 points in any game and never really contend. The Hoyas held the lead for a total of 22 seconds in this game.
I'm starting to get the feeling that this might not be Georgetown's season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2022, 07:48:56 PM
Solutions?
On defense, pressure them. They turn it over and getting run-outs could help offset their offense. On the other end, they chase hard off the line and are foul prone. Shot fake threes to open driving lanes and draw both touch and shooting fouls.
Those and hope. They are really good, but there are places to exploit them and it's highly unlikely they enter the Tourney unbeaten, so why not us?
We were Villanova killers last year—why not UConn killers this year?
Quote from: The Thing on December 18, 2022, 12:59:32 AM
We were Villanova killers last year—why not UConn killers this year?
Well Oso gives up 30lbs to Sanogo so if it happens it's not coming from there
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 18, 2022, 01:03:01 AM
Well Oso gives up 30lbs to Sanogo so if it happens it's not coming from there
Weight doesn't = wins in College Hoops
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 18, 2022, 01:31:31 AM
Weight doesn't = wins in College Hoops
Thanks for explaining that, I've been wondering for 9yrs why Gardner didn't lead us to 4 undefeated seasons
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/17/seton-hall-basketball-drops-gritty-big-east-opener-to-providence/69730310007/
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 18, 2022, 02:05:04 AM
Thanks for explaining that, I've been wondering for 9yrs why Gardner didn't lead us to 4 undefeated seasons
Plumber's Crack Williams was a missed graduate transfer by Shaka
https://youtu.be/uIorWQnAOuM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
Plumber's Crack Williams was a missed graduate transfer by Shaka
https://youtu.be/uIorWQnAOuM
Biggest miss yet.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 18, 2022, 10:03:02 AM
Biggest miss yet.
Would've filled a big hole in the lineup
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
Plumber's Crack Williams was a missed graduate transfer by Shaka
https://youtu.be/uIorWQnAOuM
Be kind. Let's not make the guy the butt of jokes.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 18, 2022, 02:05:04 AM
Thanks for explaining that, I've been wondering for 9yrs why Gardner didn't lead us to 4 undefeated seasons
The Ox
The Town up early in the 2nd half against The Con
The Town is back!
The Hoyas lead UCONN at the under 12 by 7.
Hoyas ball. Hoyas have the guards to close this if they want it.
Extend Ewing!
Welp, Georgetown and UConn both remembers who they are
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 20, 2022, 07:13:19 PM
Welp, Georgetown and UConn both remembers who they are
I just want them to #ExtendEwing.
Solid win for X over The Hall
Georgetown showed some fight against U Conn.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 20, 2022, 10:54:44 PM
Georgetown showed some fight against U Conn.
They finished the game shooting 2 for 16, missed seven second half free throws, and lost by 11.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 20, 2022, 11:56:25 PM
They finished the game shooting 2 for 16, missed seven second half free throws, and lost by 11.
Hoyas have to learn to play hard for every possession for 40 minutes in this league
MU has to learn the same lesson.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 21, 2022, 02:37:23 PM
MU has to learn the same lesson.
So does Providence and Villanova and Creighton and St. John's and Xavier and St. Thomas
Solid win for Nova over The Johnnies . Looks like The Wildcats are gaining some momentum.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 21, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Solid win for Nova over The Johnnies . Looks like The Wildcats are gaining some momentum.
Solid post
Kalkbrenner back with 19 points in 29 minutes as Creighton clobbers Butler to snap losing streak.
Quote from: MU82 on December 22, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
Kalkbrenner back with 19 points in 29 minutes as Creighton clobbers Butler to snap losing streak.
That will hurt Marquette's seeding
Quote from: MU82 on December 22, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
Kalkbrenner back with 19 points in 29 minutes as Creighton clobbers Butler to snap losing streak.
Win for Creighton helped them move up significantly in NET . Creighton now close to being a Quad 1 win for MU. Hopefully the Blue Jays have a big win over The Blue Demons on Christmas Day
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 21, 2022, 08:48:01 AM
Hoyas have to learn to play hard for every possession for 40 minutes in this league
They play hard but they visibly tire late in games. Four of five starters average 34.5 or more minutes per game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2022, 07:11:31 AM
That will hurt Marquette's seeding
But will it hurt it as much as the closed-door preseason scrimmages?
Big Romp by The Blue Jays over The Blue Demons. This win by Creighton should help MU's cause.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 25, 2022, 05:38:50 PM
Big Romp by The Blue Jays over The Blue Demons. This win by Creighton should help MU's cause.
Why
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 25, 2022, 05:38:50 PM
Big Romp by The Blue Jays over The Blue Demons. This win by Creighton should help MU's cause.
DePaul covered the +15,5 (lost by 15) so it does nothing really.
If anything, it's just a shame that that was the first BE game on Christmas.
DePaul fans, of which there aren't many, must be blue blue on this Holiday
Quote from: DoctorV on December 25, 2022, 07:34:07 PM
DePaul fans, of which there aren't many, must be blue blue on this Holiday
All 8 of them will survive.
Appears Sanogo got in early foul trouble for UCONN so as a result they went with the only shoot 3s strategy.
20 of their 29 shots from deep.
33-32 over Nova at half.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 28, 2022, 06:35:18 PM
Appears Sanogo got in early foul trouble for UCONN so as a result they went with the only shoot 3s strategy.
20 of their 29 shots from deep.
33-32 over Nova at half.
Will help the Big East cause if Nova can keep it close or even pull off a win
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 06:38:00 PM
Will help the Big East cause if Nova can keep it close or even pull off a win
Agreed. I think I'm pulling for Nova and St Johns tonight unless someone can convince me otherwise.
I'm of the opinion that MU can win the conference so it'd be nice to get some losses on these 2-0 teams. Also, some of these big east teams could use a big NET boost.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 06:38:00 PM
Will help the Big East cause if Nova can keep it close or even pull off a win
We can't bite on the constant Nova shot fakes Herman.
UCONN's two bigs are a Gargantuan problem. We may have to go medieval a la Baylor.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 07:01:45 PM
UCONN's two bigs are a Gargantuan problem. We may have to go medieval a la Baylor.
Nova is playing well. However , U Conn simply has better players .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 07:13:30 PM
Nova is playing well. However , U Conn simply has better players .
Nova has almost 20 turnovers, they aren't playing very well.
Losing by single digits at #2. Solid.
Quote from: tower912 on December 28, 2022, 07:40:54 PM
Losing by single digits at #2. Solid.
Nova plays a low possession game. That's not our style so the question is question is can we run with UCONN. As for beating Nova? I think we can attack the rim effectively.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
Nova plays a low possession game. That's not our style so the question is question is can we run with UCONN. As for beating Nova? I think we can attack the rim effectively.
Will Whitmore get more minutes against MU?
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 07:50:11 PM
Will Whitmore get more minutes against MU?
Maybe a few? Slater and Daniel's are physical but seem inconsistent to me.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 07:50:11 PM
Will Whitmore get more minutes against MU?
Hopefully he doesn't show why many consider him to be a top 5/10 pick
This All Access game between Xavier and St. John's is hilarious. Neither team is playing a lick of defense and Mike Anderson has said "NOOO!" to about 50% of his teams shots.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2022, 08:08:50 PM
This All Access game between Xavier and St. John's is hilarious. Neither team is playing a lick of defense and Mike Anderson has said "NOOO!" to about 50% of his teams shots.
Anderson scooper
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2022, 08:08:50 PM
This All Access game between Xavier and St. John's is hilarious. Neither team is playing a lick of defense and Mike Anderson has said "NOOO!" to about 50% of his teams shots.
Not a fan of "All Access".
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2022, 07:50:11 PM
Will Whitmore get more minutes against MU?
I read this as if Freeway were talking to me
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 08:30:42 PM
Not a fan of "All Access".
I hate it. They use up a third of the screen to show coaches screaming at the players while play is going on. I can't believe the players can hear and respond to the things the coaches yell while play is going on.
I wish they would limit it to timeouts.
Quote from: wisblue on December 28, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I hate it. They use up a third of the screen to show coaches screaming at the players while play is going on. I can't believe the players can hear and respond to the things the coaches yell while play is going on.
I wish they would limit it to timeouts.
That would be a start. I suppose there are some coaches that are entertaining on the sidelines but that would not include Sean Miller or Mike Anderson.
Quote from: wisblue on December 28, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I hate it. They use up a third of the screen to show coaches screaming at the players while play is going on. I can't believe the players can hear and respond to the things the coaches yell while play is going on.
I wish they would limit it to timeouts.
Some love it, some hate it...but personally the DePaul game last year was nearly unwatchable for me. I could not focus whatsoever on the game and had a huge headache afterwards.
It seems like St. John's hasn't run a play all game. They just run up and down chucking up stupid shots.
Their motto out of the locker room was "street fight time". This is just terrible basketball to watch.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2022, 09:02:29 PM
Some love it, some hate it...but personally the DePaul game last year was nearly unwatchable for me. I could not focus whatsoever on the game and had a huge headache afterwards.
I was getting a headache until I turned the sound off.
I know UConn is better than we are. I know they'll be favored in both games, probably huge favorites at home.
But I've seen pretty big chunks of their games vs. Georgetown and Nova, and they don't seem unbeatable to me.
Really looking forward to our game on the 11th. What's the worst that happens? MU loses like just about everybody will expect us to? I say we give 'em a hell of a game.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
I know UConn is better than we are. I know they'll be favored in both games, probably huge favorites at home.
But I've seen pretty big chunks of their games vs. Georgetown and Nova, and they don't seem unbeatable to me.
Really looking forward to our game on the 11th. What's the worst that happens? MU loses like just about everybody will expect us to? I say we give 'em a hell of a game.
There is 0.0 doubt we can beat them if we play our hammer game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
There is 0.0 doubt we can beat them if we play our hammer game.
I'm not sure I understand the definition of "our hammer game," Muggs.
We gonna take a hit out on Sanogo?
Curbelo and Alexander are so overrated it isn't even funny. People like Top 5's...well there are easily 5 PGs in the league I'd take over them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2022, 09:53:44 PM
Curbelo and Alexander are so overrated it isn't even funny. People like Top 5's...well there are easily 5 PGs in the league I'd take over them.
Thankfully, we have one of them.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 09:52:09 PM
I'm not sure I understand the definition of "our hammer game," Muggs.
We gonna take a hit out on Sanogo?
It means we can introduce them to darkness when we play our A game. The combination of good shot selection, low turns, stifling and pestiferous D, and holding our own on the glass will get it done on 1/11.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 10:04:37 PM
It means we can introduce them to darkness when we play our A game. The combination of good shot selection, low turns, stifling and pestiferous D, and holding our own on the glass will get it done on 1/11.
Yes, it would be wonderful if we did all that.
I dont think we beat Uconn. Not a knock on our guys, I just think they are a terrible match up for us and have been for a while.
Itll take a year where we have the vast experience to offset the size of their style of player compared to ours imo.
Obviously not impossible we win especially at home. But they are the ones I truly just dont think happen.
Lets beat Nova saturday, that will be tough as hell but we can definitely do it.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
Yes, it would be wonderful if we did all that.
It's very doable but we have to be +6 or more in FT makes and not have sustained lapses.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 28, 2022, 10:09:36 PM
I dont think we beat Uconn. Not a knock on our guys, I just think they are a terrible match up for us and have been for a while.
Itll take a year where we have the vast experience to offset the size of their style of player compared to ours imo.
Obviously not impossible we win especially at home. But they are the ones I truly just dont think happen.
Lets beat Nova saturday, that will be tough as hell but we can definitely do it.
I agree their bigs are a problem for sure. But I think we can cause them a lot of headaches with our versatility.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
Thankfully, we have one of them.
Absolutely. I'd take Kolek 1st overall in the Big East PG draft.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2022, 10:10:34 PM
It's very doable but we have to be +6 or more in FT makes and not have sustained lapses.
What???
Quote from: wisblue on December 28, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I hate it. They use up a third of the screen to show coaches screaming at the players while play is going on. I can't believe the players can hear and respond to the things the coaches yell while play is going on.
I wish they would limit it to timeouts.
Agree completely. Just focus on what is happening on the court.
Same old St. John's
https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1608447614571220992?s=46&t=_lfGQn-PNhdnogTDQvB-Lg
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2022, 07:22:22 AM
Same old St. John's
https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1608447614571220992?s=46&t=_lfGQn-PNhdnogTDQvB-Lg
It's hard not to be cynical and say that Mike Anderson schedules this way to keep his no losing seasons tag in place
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 29, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
It's hard not to be cynical and say that Mike Anderson schedules this way to keep his no losing seasons tag in place
His scheduling is a joke. It shouldn't be hard for them to put together a better non-conference schedule. Teams will play in NYC
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 29, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
It's hard not to be cynical and say that Mike Anderson schedules this way to keep his no losing seasons tag in place
Exactly. Win 10 in non-con and you only need to go 7-13 in conference to keep up that streak of "success."
I hate Danny Hurley. No doubt he's a great coach and recruits big time athletes. But he's such a clown on the sidelines.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
I hate Danny Hurley. No doubt he's a great coach and recruits big time athletes. But he's such a clown on the sidelines.
Very punchable!
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2022, 11:06:09 AM
Very punchable!
My UCONN grad friend is a big time bball fan and is also a good sport, laughing with me with as I told him that the UCONN fans at MSG were like having 3,000 Dan Hurleys in the stands. He can't stand Hurley's theatrics either, but of course he likes what he's done with the team. I asked him to show me his diploma to prove that he is a grad, as he simply does not fit the profile of being totally insufferable.
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2022, 11:06:09 AM
Very punchable!
majority of UW Badger fans are punchable too. Just because.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
I hate Danny Hurley. No doubt he's a great coach and recruits big time athletes. But he's such a clown on the sidelines.
Let's hope we avoid All Access Hurley
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2022, 09:04:33 PM
It seems like St. John's hasn't run a play all game. They just run up and down chucking up stupid shots.
Their motto out of the locker room was "street fight time". This is just terrible basketball to watch.
That has been StJ for years now and it is awful to watch.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 29, 2022, 01:17:39 PM
That has been StJ for years now and it is awful to watch.
Imagine All Access for the St. Johns vs. DePaul game.
NO!NO!NO! Blue!, Blue! ,Blue!. Get it back! Get it back! Blue!, Blue!, Blue!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 29, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
Imagine All Access for the St. Johns vs. DePaul game.
NO!NO!NO! Blue!, Blue! ,Blue!. Get it back! Get it back! Blue!, Blue!, Blue!
Tonight it's "Blue!" vs. "Move!"
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 29, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
Imagine All Access for the St. Johns vs. DePaul game.
NO!NO!NO! Blue!, Blue! ,Blue!. Get it back! Get it back! Blue!, Blue!, Blue!
Sounds like election night results.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 29, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
It's hard not to be cynical and say that Mike Anderson schedules this way to keep his no losing seasons tag in place
Tangential, does anyone know why a few people in the media call him "Golden Gate Mike"? I saw it on Twitter the other day and couldn't figure it out.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
Tangential, does anyone know why a few people in the media call him "Golden Gate Mike"? I saw it on Twitter the other day and couldn't figure it out.
I believe St. John's scheduled a game in San Francisco while Chris Mullen was still the coach so they'd be out there when the Warriors retired his jersey. Then Chris Mullin was replaced by Mike Anderson, so he became "Golden Gate Mike."
Cooley & Company looking to extend their winning streak to six games against The Bulldogs in Indianapolis tonight.
Would be helpful if The Friars could have a big win and improve their NET ranking .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 29, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
Cooley & Company looking to extend their winning streak to six games against The Bulldogs in Indianapolis tonight.
Would be helpful if The Friars could have a big win and improve their NET ranking .
don't worry about the net rankings of in conference opponents until the conference tournament. too long of a season. many injuries to come. Every win helps and hurts the rest of the schedule. worry about it when there is 1-2 games left and a team needs to reach a certain Q1/Q2 benchmark.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 29, 2022, 04:30:03 PM
don't worry about the net rankings of in conference opponents until the conference tournament. too long of a season. many injuries to come. Every win helps and hurts the rest of the schedule. worry about it when there is 1-2 games left and a team needs to reach a certain Q1/Q2 benchmark.
I'm pretty sure he knows this and is trolling. Its what he does.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 29, 2022, 04:34:17 PM
I'm pretty sure he knows this and is trolling. Its what he does.
no he's dead..
Quote from: jfp61 on December 29, 2022, 04:30:03 PM
don't worry about the net rankings of in conference opponents until the conference tournament. too long of a season. many injuries to come. Every win helps and hurts the rest of the schedule. worry about it when there is 1-2 games left and a team needs to reach a certain Q1/Q2 benchmark.
Based on past years , it seems easier to get a NET boost earlier in the conference season . There are less data points.
At end of season hard to move NET meter.
So I am hoping the teams that have a chance of doing well get out to strong starts and solidify their positions.
Of course I am rooting for MU to beat all these quality teams as well.
Providence up 46-18 at the half. So much for Hinckle Magic tonight.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 29, 2022, 06:38:33 PM
Providence up 46-18 at the half. So much for Hinckle Magic tonight.
That's bad for Marquette
Matta was a great hire on paper, but starting to wonder how well that will work out for them. Looking like 3 straight 20+ point losses to start the year.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 29, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Matta was a great hire on paper, but starting to wonder how well that will work out for them. Looking like 3 straight 20+ point losses to start the year.
I won't definitively say they'll be fine, but the cupboard was left extremely empty when he came in.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 06:53:30 PM
I won't definitively say they'll be fine, but the cupboard was left extremely empty when he came in.
Yeah. Matta's a really good coach and Butler invests in its program. They'll be solid.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 29, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Matta was a great hire on paper, but starting to wonder how well that will work out for them. Looking like 3 straight 20+ point losses to start the year.
At least he's not losing close games
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 29, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Matta was a great hire on paper, but starting to wonder how well that will work out for them. Looking like 3 straight 20+ point losses to start the year.
I mean the cupboard was barren. Like Marquette in 2014-15 barren.
They'll be fine.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 29, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Matta was a great hire on paper, but starting to wonder how well that will work out for them. Looking like 3 straight 20+ point losses to start the year.
Is this his 1st year as HC?
Georgetown shoots 62% in the first half...and trails by seven.
Georgetown 40
DePaul 47
Halftime
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2022, 06:54:59 PM
Yeah. Matta's a really good coach and Butler invests in its program. They'll be solid.
My only concern from a butler fans standpoint would be whether or not they can recruit at the highest level. They succeeded early on getting local guys to buy into the butler way, but they need to elevate their recruiting profile to compete year in year out in the BE.
I think Matta brings that dynamic recruiting opportunity but it'll take a couple seasons.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 07:52:51 PM
My only concern from a butler fans standpoint would be whether or not they can recruit at the highest level. They succeeded early on getting local guys to buy into the butler way, but they need to elevate their recruiting profile to compete year in year out in the BE.
I think Matta brings that dynamic recruiting opportunity but it'll take a couple seasons.
Some over in Milwaukee are starting to think recruiting no Matta, just coach em up!
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 07:52:51 PM
My only concern from a butler fans standpoint would be whether or not they can recruit at the highest level. They succeeded early on getting local guys to buy into the butler way, but they need to elevate their recruiting profile to compete year in year out in the BE.
I think Matta brings that dynamic recruiting opportunity but it'll take a couple seasons.
I think the biggest concern is that the Big East has had a major upgrade in overall coaching over the last few years. Obviously Jay Wright is a huge loss. But Matta, Shaka, and Miller are all big time coaches. I think Xavier and Marquette are better programs than Butler, and I think Nova is big enough that Neptune will have some success there. So getting towards the top of the Big East will be tough with those guys plus Cooley, McDermott, and Hurley.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2022, 08:41:43 PM
I think the biggest concern is that the Big East has had a major upgrade in overall coaching over the last few years. Obviously Jay Wright is a huge loss. But Matta, Shaka, and Miller are all big time coaches. I think Xavier and Marquette are better programs than Butler, and I think Nova is big enough that Neptune will have some success there. So getting towards the top of the Big East will be tough with those guys plus Cooley, McDermott, and Hurley.
Agreed - I hope butler can figure it out though. They're a good program to have humming. Solid fan base and I love watching a game at hinkel.
Solid win for Cooley & Company. Going to 11-3 is a good thing . If The Friars pick up a big win against The Blue Demons on Sunday they will get closer to breaking into the top 25.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 08:50:20 PM
Agreed - I hope butler can figure it out though. They're a good program to have humming. Solid fan base and I love watching a game at hinkel.
Somebody has to be at the bottom of the league. Better them than us.
Stop me if you've heard this before: Georgetown leads by three, loses by seven.
Ewing goes 0 for 2022.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 29, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
Stop me if you've heard this before: Georgetown leads by three, loses by seven.
Ewing goes 0 for 2022.
I have never seen a bench sooooo disinterested in my whole life. That is not an exaggeration. So much. Ole boy had ro yell at his teammates when he cut the lead to 3 late.
It was if the other team had scored. Wow.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 07:52:51 PM
My only concern from a butler fans standpoint would be whether or not they can recruit at the highest level. They succeeded early on getting local guys to buy into the butler way, but they need to elevate their recruiting profile to compete year in year out in the BE.
I think Matta brings that dynamic recruiting opportunity but it'll take a couple seasons.
He turned OSU from a sub .500 team to a team that win 26 games and the B10 in 2 seasons. And that was after only 4 seasons as a HC at Butler and Xavier so he wasn't a known commodity. I don't think he'll need all that long to be respectable.
He also brought in Mike Pegues who was Mack's lead recruiter at X and Ville
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 29, 2022, 07:51:39 PM
For Butler, yes.
I know.......can't believe they haven't fired him in same calendar year he was hired.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 29, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
Stop me if you've heard this before: Georgetown leads by three, loses by seven.
Ewing goes 0 for 2022.
I poured a little out for you during the last minute that took forever. Godspeed.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 29, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
Stop me if you've heard this before: Georgetown leads by three, loses by seven.
Ewing goes 0 for 2022.
According to this article The buyout of Ewing contract is still very large
Patrick may be coaching the team for quite a while unless someone comes up with the funding to buy his contract out
https://hilltophoops.substack.com/p/patrick-ewing-contract-extension-details
The coaches of Georgetown's three largest sports by budget are all under water for 2022:
Patrick Ewing (Men's Basketball): 5-29
Rob Sgarlata (Football): 2-9, 10 straight losses at home over last two seasons
James Howard (Women's Basketball): 12-20
Bigger Peak to Trough?
Marquette - Al McGuire years to Bob Dukiet years, or
Georgetown - John Thompson years to Patrick Ewing years?
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 30, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
Bigger Peak to Trough?
Marquette - Al McGuire years to Bob Dukiet years, or
Georgetown - George Thompson years to Patrick Ewing years?
GT is the bigger vertical drop, but MU was more dramatic because it happened in a shorter period of time.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 30, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
Bigger Peak to Trough?
Marquette - Al McGuire years to Bob Dukiet years, or
Georgetown - George Thompson years to Patrick Ewing years?
Tony...
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on December 30, 2022, 07:40:10 AM
GT is the bigger vertical drop, but MU was more dramatic because it happened in a shorter period of time.
Agreed, Marquette in less than 10 years went from a coaching icon with multiple FFs and a natty to hiring a low major coach who didn't even have an NCAA appearance, didn't even win an NIT game in 2 appearances, and who went 31-26 the previous 2 seasons. Results were unsurprising in retrospect.
But man the GT drop is profound. The Esherick era isn't super dissimilar to Hank's tenure, a bit worse at the end. But JT3 righted the ship. For 90% of programs his tenure would have been a massive success. But Ewing makes Dukiet look like Al. Less than 15 wins in 2 years COMBINED, probably more like 12, is shocking
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 30, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
Georgetown - George Thompson years to Patrick Ewing years?
Both George and John are turning over in their graves
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 30, 2022, 09:34:13 AM
Both George and John are turning over in their graves
That took a couple hours longer than I thought it would. lol
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 30, 2022, 09:35:09 AM
That took a couple hours longer than I thought it would. lol
The grace period expired but I Sir Rico had already jumped on this. ;D
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 30, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
The grace period expired but I Sir Rico had already jumped on this. ;D
Indeed he had. Scanning through the posts I didn't appreciate the meaning of Rico's comment.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 30, 2022, 09:45:52 AM
Indeed he had. Scanning through the posts I didn't appreciate the meaning of Rico's comment.
Oh. Heh. I will correct. :P
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
Game at Finneran Pavilion , it's going to be loud in there .
https://villanova.com/news/2022/12/30/mens-basketball-marquette-and-villanova-to-meet-on-new-years-eve.aspx
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
Opponents only shoot 68% at the line against Marquette. FT defense matters
Teams get 17% of their points from the line against Marquette. National average is 18%.
Villanova FTA/FGA is 33.3%, national average is 31.3%. 21% of their points come at the line, 37% from 3. Stop the 3
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
FT% no matta
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/30/seton-hall-basketball-faces-a-game-we-have-to-win-vs-st-johns/69761544007/
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
The worst free throw shooting team in the country is Brown at 56.4%. With that average, if you sent them to the line every trip down, they would average 1.128 points per possession, which would be a top-20 offense. You shouldn't let anyone get to the line.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2022, 05:30:24 PM
Stop the 3
I want them to shoot threes. It's their most used but least efficient method of scoring. This is their worst shooting team in a decade. Let it fly.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 09:51:16 AM
The worst free throw shooting team in the country is Brown at 56.4%. With that average, if you sent them to the line every trip down, they would average 1.128 points per possession, which would be a top-20 offense. You shouldn't let anyone get to the line.
I want them to shoot threes. It's their most used but least efficient method of scoring. This is their worst shooting team in a decade. Let it fly.
How about guard the 3
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2022, 10:01:30 AM
How about guard the 3
I would say always contest threes, but I'm a big fan of zoning this team. They want to shoot threes (8th in 3PFGA/FGA) and aren't very good at it, so let them shoot from range. They also aren't a good offensive rebounding team, so that minimizes the biggest drawback of our zone. If they get hot, we could very well end up paying for that strategy, but I still think it's better than letting Daniels, Slater, and Dixon attack inside and get to the line, both areas where they are more efficient.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 10:08:43 AM
I would say always contest threes, but I'm a big fan of zoning this team. They want to shoot threes (8th in 3PFGA/FGA) and aren't very good at it, so let them shoot from range. They also aren't a good offensive rebounding team, so that minimizes the biggest drawback of our zone. If they get hot, we could very well end up paying for that strategy, but I still think it's better than letting Daniels, Slater, and Dixon attack inside and get to the line, both areas where they are more efficient.
This sounds sound
Xavier playing without fear.
X is pushing UCONN around early. Very surprised.
If UConn hits the offensive boards like this against X, how will it look against MU?
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 11:36:49 AM
If UConn hits the offensive boards like this against X, how will it look against MU?
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I've stated we could have probs Tower but we did a tremendous job vs Purdue. UCONN with a nice little push to take a 1pt lead. They're super dangerous when they hit triples.
Yup. Somewhere Xavier Muggsy is displeased.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Villanova is 1st in the country in FT%.
84.1%
Can't let them get to the line.
Completely irrelevant. #FTsNoMatta
Seton Hall up by 5 on St. John's at half
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 10:08:43 AM
I would say always contest threes, but I'm a big fan of zoning this team. They want to shoot threes (8th in 3PFGA/FGA) and aren't very good at it, so let them shoot from range. They also aren't a good offensive rebounding team, so that minimizes the biggest drawback of our zone. If they get hot, we could very well end up paying for that strategy, but I still think it's better than letting Daniels, Slater, and Dixon attack inside and get to the line, both areas where they are more efficient.
I'm of the opposite mind. In general on defense I think it is better to not let the opponent do what they want to do. Neptune is no Wright but he's not a dummy. If they want to shoot threes it is because the coach knows that that this is a better strategy for their team than going for twos. Yes they have a better 2P% than 3P% but I think that is because teams are defending the three and they are only taking the two when it is effectively a gimme. I think Nova will turn down twos in favor of threes whether you try to run them off the line or not. The difference is that they will make them if you leave them open and will only make some of them if you are in their grill.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 11:49:47 AM
Yup. Somewhere Xavier Muggsy is displeased.
Who is Xavier Muggsy?
Nunge missing the start of the second half with flu like symptoms.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
Who is Xavier Muggsy?
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Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 12:04:06 PM
Nunge missing the start of the second half with flu like symptoms.
Huh? Is that a euphemism for "tired of guarding Sanogo"?
X showing a lot of fight today against U Conn. Would be helpful to the
whole league if The Musketeers could win .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2022, 12:12:39 PM
X showing a lot of fight today against U Conn. Would be helpful to the
whole league if The Musketeers could win .
Doesn't matter
Like the crowd noise on the Fox Broadcast of the game . Would like to see this approach on all broadcasts .
I've seen enough. St. John's sucks. Mike Anderson sucks. Case closed.
Both X and UConn look real good..
Posh seems irrelevant.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
Of course it matters.
No it doesn't. Too obsessed with these NET rankings three games in, every day.
UCONN keeps winning and becomes Number One in country, better for BE exposure than a daily NET rank that means nothing right now.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 31, 2022, 12:43:10 PM
Both X and UConn look real good..
Classic Big East Battle . Very fun to watch.
Is Danny Hurley the BE. Coach you'd most like to smack in the mouth (if you thought you could get away with it).
Why? Advocating for his team.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 31, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
Is Danny Hurley the BE. Coach you'd most like to smack in the mouth (if you thought you could get away with it).
He just cost his team with that Tech.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 12:50:57 PM
Why? Advocating for his team.
Right. He just advocated into a 4 point play against his team with under 2 minutes to play.
UConn went to the all 3 offense too soon. Good for X.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 31, 2022, 12:55:47 PM
Right. He just advocated into a 4 point play against his team with under 2 minutes to play.
Right. And the free throw differential on the road is? And how long ago were scoopers wanting Shaka to get mad enough to take a tech?
UCONN is VERY good, but my god have they panicked late. Down 6 with 130 left and you exclusively look to throw up hurried 3s? Jackson has looked like a complete out of control chucker late
X deserved the W.
FT's no Matta blah blah blah.
But it is insane some of the free throw disparities that are happening in these games. X shooting 15 more free throws before garbage time.
That cost UConn the game.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 12:57:53 PM
Right. And the free throw differential on the road is? And how long ago were scoopers wanting Shaka to get mad enough to take a tech?
Sure. Whatever you say.
I'd take Danny Hurley coaching my team
Quote from: JWags85 on December 31, 2022, 12:58:11 PM
Jackson has looked like a complete out of control chucker late
True, though I was rooting for him to get the triple-double (2 assists away)
Quote from: fjm on December 31, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
FT's no Matta blah blah blah.
But it is insane some of the free throw disparities that are happening in these games. X shooting 15 more free throws before garbage time.
That cost UConn the game.
UCONN lost because they jacked up 36 threes and not going inside to Sanago, who was invisible in second half.
Give X credit, they are good balanced team and well coached
The Johnnies stunk today in lost to The Hall.
Quote from: nyg on December 31, 2022, 01:02:02 PM
UCONN lost because they jacked up 36 threes and not going inside to Sanago, who was invisible in second half.
Give X credit, they are good balanced team and well coached
Agreed.
Quote from: fjm on December 31, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
FT's no Matta blah blah blah.
But it is insane some of the free throw disparities that are happening in these games. X shooting 15 more free throws before garbage time.
That cost UConn the game.
Actually that is the free throw stat that matters. Free throw rate.
Free throw percentage is not usually a statistically significant factor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2022, 01:00:27 PM
I'd take Danny Hurley coaching my team
I'll take Jay Wright coaching my team. You can win a National Championship without swearing at referees in the final 2 minutes of essentially an even game.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 31, 2022, 01:07:21 PM
I'll take Jay Wright coaching my team. You can win a National Championship without swearing at referees in the final 2 minutes of essentially an even game.
Yes, I'd take him, too
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 31, 2022, 01:07:21 PM
I'll take Jay Wright coaching my team. You can win a National Championship without swearing at referees in the final 2 minutes of essentially an even game.
Uh... you don't think Wright got techs for yelling at refs?
From what I've seen so far this conference season, if MU wants to get to 12 conference wins, they'd better get 8 or 9 in the 10 games against SH, Butler, DePaul, GU, and SJU. Those teams all look pretty bad.
Then pick up 3 or 4 against the other 5 teams. Those are going to be hard to come by; getting the one against Creighton is a good first step.
I'd like to see us guard the 3 point line in the second half.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 12:00:36 PM
I'm of the opposite mind. In general on defense I think it is better to not let the opponent do what they want to do. Neptune is no Wright but he's not a dummy. If they want to shoot threes it is because the coach knows that that this is a better strategy for their team than going for twos. Yes they have a better 2P% than 3P% but I think that is because teams are defending the three and they are only taking the two when it is effectively a gimme. I think Nova will turn down twos in favor of threes whether you try to run them off the line or not. The difference is that they will make them if you leave them open and will only make some of them if you are in their grill.
We discussed this at length, but they mirrored the strategy I thought they would and ultimately it worked. 'Nova shot over their heads in the first half, then regressed to the mean in the second. They were still getting plenty of good looks, but they weren't hitting them. It was always unlikely 'Nova would keep up the 46% they were making in the first half, and they finished right around 36% while taking more than half their shots from beyond the arc. It was the right strategy. We left them open, they made some early, then came back to reality because we shut them out of the lane.
UCONN plays Providence, Creighton and then us. Will they sweep?
Quote from: wisblue on December 31, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
From what I've seen so far this conference season, if MU wants to get to 12 conference wins, they'd better get 8 or 9 in the 10 games against SH, Butler, DePaul, GU, and SJU. Those teams all look pretty bad.
Then pick up 3 or 4 against the other 5 teams. Those are going to be hard to come by; getting the one against Creighton is a good first step.
And winning at Nova is a good second step. ;D
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 31, 2022, 03:40:39 PM
UCONN plays Providence, Creighton and then us. Will they sweep?
I think UConn is very good, but I also think overrated some with all the Best in Country talk. Unimpressive against Georgetown, not overpowering against Nova, and now this loss.
I think Marquette has a great opportunity to take one from them at home. We'll have trouble with Sanogo ... but they'll have some trouble with us, too.
I think UConn might still be the best team in the country, but that's because I don't think there are any overwhelming teams. Houston, Purdue, UConn, Tennessee, and maybe Kansas all have a case right now. Today went poorly for them, but no one is finishing undefeated. I still think they win 16-18 Big East games. Hopefully January 11th is one they don't win.
UCONN had been as impressive as any team in the country. Lost to a top 25 team on the road in a tight game.
Marquette's got a decent shot at making UConn lose to another top-25-ish team on the road on 1/11/23.
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 03:59:56 PM
I think UConn is very good, but I also think overrated some with all the Best in Country talk. Unimpressive against Georgetown, not overpowering against Nova, and now this loss.
I think Marquette has a great opportunity to take one from them at home. We'll have trouble with Sanogo ... but they'll have some trouble with us, too.
Until the Georgetown game, I admit I was buying into the Best in the Country talk, but I saw some chinks in their armor in DC. Nova played fairly well against them on the road (another chink) and then today they simply got outplayed. Hurley getting T'd up was the icing on the cake. ;D
Marquette taking them down in Milwaukee is very doable. On the road? I doubt it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 31, 2022, 04:10:55 PM
Until the Georgetown game, I admit I was buying into the Best in the Country talk, but I saw some chinks in their armor in DC. Nova played fairly well against them on the road (another chink) and then today they simply got outplayed. Hurley getting T'd up was the icing on the cake. ;D
Marquette taking them down in Milwaukee is very doable. On the road? I doubt it.
You said this better than I did. My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2022, 01:00:51 PM
True, though I was rooting for him to get the triple-double (2 assists away)
Not me. After getting a tech last game talking sh!t to the Nova coach, as well as him talking trash today to Kunkel after a made 3, he is moving up on the dislike list
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 31, 2022, 04:16:17 PM
Not me. After getting a tech last game talking sh!t to the Nova coach, as well as him talking trash today to Kunkel after a made 3, he is moving up on the dislike list
Two things. Easy to hate, good coach
So I know there has been talk of there only being 4 Big East teams potentially making the tourney this year. It's early but it seems there might be a clear top and bottom "half" of the league. Could definitely see these 6 going dancing:
Marquette
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Creighton
Nova
Thoughts?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 31, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
So I know there has been talk of there only being 4 Big East teams potentially making the tourney this year. It's early but it seems there might be a clear top and bottom "half" of the league. Could definitely see these 6 going dancing:
Marquette
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Creighton
Nova
Thoughts?
Nova and Creighton are both skilled enough. Question is whether there's enough good opportunities left for both to get a good resume to counter some rough losses
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 04:11:47 PM
You said this better than I did. My thoughts exactly.
Did I not write several days ago we could absolutely take them out on 1-11?
I hope I'm wrong...
But, no way the BE gets 6 teams. 5 maybe...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 31, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
Nova and Creighton are both skilled enough. Question is whether there's enough good opportunities left for both to get a good resume to counter some rough losses
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 31, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
I hope I'm wrong...
But, no way the BE gets 6 teams. 5 maybe...
Both fair and maybe Providence ends up on the outside. But I can see Providence, Creighton, and Nova running up wins on the lower half of the conference and getting a big win or two.
Maybe I'm just being too optimistic for the conference as a whole give the OOC struggles.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 31, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
So I know there has been talk of there only being 4 Big East teams potentially making the tourney this year. It's early but it seems there might be a clear top and bottom "half" of the league. Could definitely see these 6 going dancing:
Marquette
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Creighton
Nova
Thoughts?
I think all six have the potential to get there. Butler and Seton Hall aren't entirely dead as both have some decent non-con wins to hang their hats on.
Might try to dig in tonight, but it will depend largely on how the standings come out. Teams like PC, Creighton, and 'Nova probably don't get in at 10-10 or 11-9. But if you had all of those teams at 12+ wins in league they could all get in. But then you need 3-4 really bad teams. Get Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul all to 15+ losses and you have a shot. Last year, the six Big East tourney teams went 34-4 against the bottom three teams in the league. Do something like that and we might be able to get to six, especially with the ACC, Pac-12, A-10, and WCC down compared to recent years.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 31, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
So I know there has been talk of there only being 4 Big East teams potentially making the tourney this year. It's early but it seems there might be a clear top and bottom "half" of the league. Could definitely see these 6 going dancing:
Marquette
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Creighton
Nova
Thoughts?
Technically possible but the bottom 5 will get a few wins and knock a team or two in that list out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
I think all six have the potential to get there. Butler and Seton Hall aren't entirely dead as both have some decent non-con wins to hang their hats on.
Might try to dig in tonight, but it will depend largely on how the standings come out. Teams like PC, Creighton, and 'Nova probably don't get in at 10-10 or 11-9. But if you had all of those teams at 12+ wins in league they could all get in. But then you need 3-4 really bad teams. Get Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul all to 15+ losses and you have a shot. Last year, the six Big East tourney teams went 34-4 against the bottom three teams in the league. Do something like that and we might be able to get to six, especially with the ACC, Pac-12, A-10, and WCC down compared to recent years.
Yeah, that was the type of scenario I was thinking of. Probably unlikely but possible.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
I think all six have the potential to get there. Butler and Seton Hall aren't entirely dead as both have some decent non-con wins to hang their hats on.
Might try to dig in tonight, but it will depend largely on how the standings come out. Teams like PC, Creighton, and 'Nova probably don't get in at 10-10 or 11-9. But if you had all of those teams at 12+ wins in league they could all get in. But then you need 3-4 really bad teams. Get Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul all to 15+ losses and you have a shot. Last year, the six Big East tourney teams went 34-4 against the bottom three teams in the league. Do something like that and we might be able to get to six, especially with the ACC, Pac-12, A-10, and WCC down compared to recent years.
Lot of trash out there this year
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
We discussed this at length, but they mirrored the strategy I thought they would and ultimately it worked. 'Nova shot over their heads in the first half, then regressed to the mean in the second. They were still getting plenty of good looks, but they weren't hitting them. It was always unlikely 'Nova would keep up the 46% they were making in the first half, and they finished right around 36% while taking more than half their shots from beyond the arc. It was the right strategy. We left them open, they made some early, then came back to reality because we shut them out of the lane.
That's not what happened. We repeatedly zoned in the first half and they hit a three almost every time we trotted it out. We played an aggressive man in the second half and defended out to the three point line and their percentage predictably dropped
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 05:54:18 PM
That's not what happened. We repeatedly zoned in the first half and they hit a three almost every time we trotted it out. We played an aggressive man in the second half and defended out to the three point line and their percentage predictably dropped
With Oso sitting, Shaka had to go zone with Gold, Jop and Sean in. In 2nd, he shortened his rotation and alternating Oso offense and sitting defense until later where Oso owned the interior defensively. Beautiful adjustment.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 05:54:18 PM
That's not what happened. We repeatedly zoned in the first half and they hit a three almost every time we trotted it out. We played an aggressive man in the second half and defended out to the three point line and their percentage predictably dropped
I'm rewatching it right now. They had plenty of open looks that just didn't fall.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
We discussed this at length, but they mirrored the strategy I thought they would and ultimately it worked. 'Nova shot over their heads in the first half, then regressed to the mean in the second. They were still getting plenty of good looks, but they weren't hitting them. It was always unlikely 'Nova would keep up the 46% they were making in the first half, and they finished right around 36% while taking more than half their shots from beyond the arc. It was the right strategy. We left them open, they made some early, then came back to reality because we shut them out of the lane.
I am sure there is some statistical analysis can prove or disprove the following, but my impression was that while the MU defense was decent in the 1st half, it outstanding in the 2nd in terms of forcing more difficult Nova attempts. Many fewer open shots, and some like Dixon's attempt from about 27' you are happy for them to take.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
I'm rewatching it right now. They had plenty of open looks that just didn't fall.
Sure but they killed the zone and changed the defense so there were a ton less
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 07:22:03 PM
Sure but they killed the zone and changed the defense so there were a ton less
Don't let this distract anyone from the fact St. John's sucks
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 07:22:03 PM
Sure but they killed the zone and changed the defense so there were a ton less
Not really, 17 3PA in the first half, 16 in the second half.
What changed was the defensive rebounding. Why, out of zone, plus more Oso.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 31, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
Not really, 17 3PA in the first half, 16 in the second half.
What changed was the defensive rebounding. Why, out of zone, plus more Oso.
I didn't say less attempts total, I said less wide open attempts, especially catch and shoots
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 31, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
So I know there has been talk of there only being 4 Big East teams potentially making the tourney this year. It's early but it seems there might be a clear top and bottom "half" of the league. Could definitely see these 6 going dancing:
Marquette
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Creighton
Nova
Thoughts?
I think this scenario can be realized . Especially since Creighton and Nova have the talent to potentially win the Big East Tournament and get the auto bid
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2022, 08:27:53 PM
I think this scenario can be realized . Especially since Creighton and Nova have the talent to potentially win the Big East Tournament and get the auto bid
They can't win the Big East Tournament when we're winning the Big East Tournament.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 31, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
I didn't say less attempts total, I said less wide open attempts, especially catch and shoots
I think too, MU wore them down.
Whitmore sat for 10 minutes in the second half. The game became a slog. Coincidence?
Hurley claims he received the tech for yelling 'Unbelievable' at the ref. If he followed it up with 'WTF', he would be quoting a one hit wonder.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 07:28:25 AM
Hurley claims he received the tech for yelling 'Unbelievable' at the ref. If he followed it up with 'WTF', he would be quoting a one hit wonder.
My guess is that he had plenty of prior warnings.
Solid romp by Cooley & Company over The Blue Demons. DePaul program still in a Blue Funk.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 06:33:37 PM
Solid romp by The Blue Jays over The Blue Demons. DePaul program still in a Blue Funk.
You mean the Friars.
Ed Cooley doing it again early in conference play, when it matters most.
7 consecutive wins, 4-0 to start the conference.
Host UConn at what was formerly known as the Dunk on Wed.
Probably due for a reality check game and UConn will play with extra passion after a loss, but should be a good game.
Butler destroying Gtown on the road...
MU gonna have some pressure in those DePaul and GTown games if all the other conference teams keep decimating them
How can Georgetown not move on from Ewing - this is beyond embarrassing for a once proud program.
Georgetown this year is legit in the discussion for worst power conference team I've ever seen. Athletic but the number of bricked shots not even close and out of control turnovers is right up there with when D2 teams play in preseason exhibitions. Like I'm legit surprised when a contested jumper falls
Quote from: JWags85 on January 01, 2023, 07:33:08 PM
Georgetown this year is legit in the discussion for worst power conference team I've ever seen. Athletic but the number of bricked shots not even close and out of control turnovers is right up there with when D2 teams play in preseason exhibitions. Like I'm legit surprised when a contested jumper falls
They're pathetic. And they have several decent players on the roster.
It's interesting because I've seen some pundits recently still say Georgetown is a tier 1 job. The last couple of years shows that the administration does not care about the program whatsoever and the fan support is at a zero. It's incredible to see such a proud program reduced to the pathetic state it's at now.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 01, 2023, 07:09:48 PM
You mean the Friars.
Ed Cooley doing it again early in conference play, when it matters most.
7 consecutive wins, 4-0 to start the conference.
Host UConn at what was formerly known as the Dunk on Wed.
Probably due for a reality check game and UConn will play with extra passion after a loss, but should be a good game.
Butler destroying Gtown on the road...
MU gonna have some pressure in those DePaul and GTown games if all the other conference teams keep decimating them
Correction noted. I was so focused on Packers game I wasn't paying close attention lol
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 07:28:25 AM
Hurley claims he received the tech for yelling 'Unbelievable' at the ref. If he followed it up with 'WTF', he would be quoting a one hit wonder.
Every other word out of his mouth is a F-bomb, his version of events is actually unbelievable.
GTown hiring Ewing after all the drama about firing JT3 and watching Mullen crash and burn at STJ just shows that their administration really could give two shits about athletics. Never hire the former great player as your coach; it never works out and then the relationship is tainted.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 01, 2023, 08:15:59 PM
GTown hiring Ewing after all the drama about firing JT3 and watching Mullen crash and burn at STJ just shows that their administration really could give two craps about athletics. Never hire the former great player as your coach; it never works out and then the relationship is tainted.
I agree with you - but devils advocate. Ewing was a hot name on the nba assistant list. Very well respected.
Mullin was out of nowhere
The Bulldogs mauled The Hoyas tonight .
Ewing keeps collecting his salary.
I don't think Ewing was THAT hot of an assistant. He had a couple interviews a few years prior but wasn't really on a lot of short lists when he was hired. It was an understandable hire but I think it's clear when he never got a head gig in the NBA.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 08:23:54 PM
The Bulldogs mauled The Hoyas tonight .
Ewing keeps collecting his salary.
Hoyas shot 20 percent after halftime. Brandon Murray has hit a wall.
Starting five was 13 for 42.
Quote from: panda on January 01, 2023, 08:17:26 PM
I agree with you - but devils advocate. Ewing was a hot name on the nba assistant list. Very well respected.
Mullin was out of nowhere
This is correct. He was interviewed for some NBA jobs.
His problem has been roster construction at Georgetown as much as anything. It's constant churn and lack of identity has doomed his tenure. I hoped he would succeed but it's just a failure.
I know pundits think it's a good job but I'm not sure of that anymore. They need to find their Tom Crean who embraces the past but forges a new identity for the program
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 08:49:44 PM
This is correct. He was interviewed for some NBA jobs.
His problem has been roster construction at Georgetown as much as anything. It's constant churn and lack of identity has doomed his tenure. I hoped he would succeed but it's just a failure.
I know pundits think it's a good job but I'm not sure of that anymore. They need to find their Tom Crean who embraces the past but forges a new identity for the program
Definitely not a top tier job. Big time coaches are not going to run to the job. Like you said, they'll need to find their TC diamond in the rough to redirect the program.
Quote from: panda on January 01, 2023, 08:58:29 PM
Definitely not a top tier job. Big time coaches are not going to run to the job. Like you said, they'll need to find their TC diamond in the rough to redirect the program.
Dennis Gates would have been great for that position. I'd kick the tires on Ryan Odom, too.
Jai Lucas and Brandin Knight would be assistants worth looking at, too.
I think Georgetown can draw bigger names. They retain tremendous brand recognition, and even in their current state routinely outdraw the bulk of the league in terms of television eyes.
One name that might be worth looking at there is Pitino. No, not THAT Pitino, the younger one. His Minnesota teams were usually pretty good. Had 2 NCAA bids and even in down years had big wins. Long term probably a better fit on the East Coast.
Heard an interview with him recently talked about the value of taking jobs at the top of their conference. Georgetown is still that. It just needs someone who can use the portal and turn it around.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2023, 07:47:54 AM
I think Georgetown can draw bigger names. They retain tremendous brand recognition, and even in their current state routinely outdraw the bulk of the league in terms of television eyes.
One name that might be worth looking at there is Pitino. No, not THAT Pitino, the younger one. His Minnesota teams were usually pretty good. Had 2 NCAA bids and even in down years had big wins. Long term probably a better fit on the East Coast.
Heard an interview with him recently talked about the value of taking jobs at the top of their conference. Georgetown is still that. It just needs someone who can use the portal and turn it around.
Eh. They need a program builder. They need someone to come in and lay a foundation. Pitino hasn't shown that. He had one winning season in the Big 14.
They also need to get rid of Ronny Thompson...
https://hilltophoops.substack.com/p/ronny-thompson-georgetown-basketball-influence
And stop the nonsense of the basketball coach reporting directly to the president. It's 2023. Georgetown need to start acting like it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2023, 07:47:54 AM
I think Georgetown can draw bigger names. They retain tremendous brand recognition, and even in their current state routinely outdraw the bulk of the league in terms of television eyes.
One name that might be worth looking at there is Pitino. No, not THAT Pitino, the younger one. His Minnesota teams were usually pretty good. Had 2 NCAA bids and even in down years had big wins. Long term probably a better fit on the East Coast.
Heard an interview with him recently talked about the value of taking jobs at the top of their conference. Georgetown is still that. It just needs someone who can use the portal and turn it around.
Brand recognition is still kind of there. I don't think the name Georgetown resonates even remotely the same to those under 30 as it does to those over 30.
The administration showing a complete lack of regard for the state of the basketball program also would be a significant red flag if I'm an outsider prospect (non Georgetown or thompson related candidate).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
Eh. They need a program builder. They need someone to come in and lay a foundation. Pitino hasn't shown that. He had one winning season in the Big 14.
Tom Crean is available
Close to home for Wojo.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 02, 2023, 07:58:17 AM
Tom Crean is available
Chris Mack would be a good choice
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2023, 08:14:24 AM
Chris Mack would be a good choice
Jay Wright, your table is ready.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
Close to home for Wojo.
Since Buzz will be a Senator (or president) someday, what better way to get his feet wet in the beltway than to take the Georgetown job.
AI deserves a look.
Quote from: TheGym on January 01, 2023, 08:10:40 PM
Every other word out of his mouth is a F-bomb, his version of events is actually unbelievable.
...must have attended a KO summer camp, hey
By now JT4 must be ready to do some coaching.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
They need someone to come in and lay a foundation. Pitino hasn't shown that.
Maybe not a foundation, but definitely a gal or two at a nearby Italian restaurant.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2023, 08:59:07 AM
Maybe not a foundation, but definitely a gal or two at a nearby Italian restaurant.
Well played. ;D
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2023, 08:59:07 AM
Maybe not a foundation, but definitely a gal or two at a nearby Italian restaurant.
Bwahahaha
Quote from: Retire0 on January 02, 2023, 08:28:30 AM
AI deserves a look.
Chat GPT is ready and willing
Chat GPT vs. Hologram Al is going to be an epic battle.
Quote from: Retire0 on January 02, 2023, 08:28:30 AM
AI deserves a look.
Players would love it - no practices.
Allen Iverson has no college degree--he left after three completed semesters. It is required to be employed in any Division I coaching position. Also, he turns 48 this year.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 02, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
Allen Iverson has no college degree--he left after three completed semesters. It is required to be employed in any Division I coaching position. Also, he turns 48 this year.
By the NCAA? I don't think so.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 02, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
Allen Iverson has no college degree--he left after three completed semesters. It is required to be employed in any Division I coaching position. Also, he turns 48 this year.
My dude, if you can't pick up the sarcasm here...
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 02, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
Allen Iverson has no college degree--he left after three completed semesters. It is required to be employed in any Division I coaching position. Also, he turns 48 this year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/sports/ncaabasketball/rutgers-says-new-basketball-coach-eddie-jordan-is-not-a-graduate.html
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 02, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/sports/ncaabasketball/rutgers-says-new-basketball-coach-eddie-jordan-is-not-a-graduate.html
Yeah that's what I thought. Not a requirement by the NCAA.
Thanks for the clarification. Nearly all Division I schools that I know of would require this from a full time employee in the department.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 02, 2023, 09:51:11 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Nearly all Division I schools that I know of would require this from a full time employee in the department.
Does an honorary degree count?
Someone with DC connections and a knowledge of the area and GT local history is key. A name with cache. And since winning isn't super important apparently...
Wizards legend and Coppin St HC Juan Dixon, come on down!!!!
Creighton up early at home against the Hall
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2023, 08:25:49 PM
Creighton up early at home against the Hall
Understatement
I stay awake at night hoping for coaching staff improvements and subsequent wins from Georgetown in the near future.
Creighton's next 3 games are
UConn
Xavier
Providence
After Georgetown this Saturday Marquette's schedule is also
UConn
Xavier
Providence
Should see in the next two weeks if any team has the ability to pull away in the standings or if it will be a jumbled mess at the top.
Quote from: JWags85 link=topic=63698.msg1496777#msg1496777 date=
Someone with DC connections and a knowledge of the area and GT local history is key. A name with cache. And since winning isn't super important apparently...
Wizards legend and Coppin St HC Juan Dixon, come on down!!!!
If you're going for legendary, coax Stew Morrill back to coaching.
Nova looking lethargic and disinterested so far against the Hoyas
Hoyas giving The Wildcats a heckuva battle in the first half
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 04, 2023, 06:19:18 PM
Hoyas giving The Wildcats a heckuva battle in the first half
Extend Ewing's Contract!
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 04, 2023, 06:08:50 PM
Nova looking lethargic and disinterested so far against the Hoyas
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/157/itsatrap.jpg)
U Conn at Cooley & Company.
The "AMP" will be rocking tonight
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-Providence-advance-17691532.php
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 04, 2023, 06:19:18 PM
Hoyas giving The Wildcats a heckuva battle in the first half
Except there are two halves.
Hoyas shoot 21% after halftime, lose 73-57. Twenty points in the paint in the first half, two in the second.
Of interest to Marquette: four GU players out: Heath (broken finger) and Bristol (concussion) did not play, while Murray (arm injury) and Mozone (hip) were hurt in this one.
Andre Jackson with 2 fouls in the 1st 3 minutes. Providence getting a friendly whistle. Go figure.
Any preferences for MU as to who wins this UConn-Prov game? Would be nice to have one loss fewer than UConn, but also nice to see Prov reeled in a bit.
Quote from: mug644 on January 04, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
Any preferences for MU as to who wins this UConn-Prov game? Would be nice to have one loss fewer than UConn, but also nice to see Prov reeled in a bit.
We definitely want PC to win this. They'll likely fall to teams like X and CU, and we'll beat them in MKE. UConn has fewer opportunities to lose IMHO.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 04, 2023, 08:18:23 PM
We definitely want PC to win this. They'll likely fall to teams like X and CU, and we'll beat them in MKE. UConn has fewer opportunities to lose IMHO.
Nah death to PC
And I want Uconn to still be top 5 when they come to us next week.
Quote from: mug644 on January 04, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
Any preferences for MU as to who wins this UConn-Prov game? Would be nice to have one loss fewer than UConn, but also nice to see Prov reeled in a bit.
I dislike everything Providence, but at the end of the day it is probably better for us if they win this.
Quote from: mug644 on January 04, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
Any preferences for MU as to who wins this UConn-Prov game? Would be nice to have one loss fewer than UConn, but also nice to see Prov reeled in a bit.
Hold your nose and root for UCONN. We want them coming to Milwaukee a week from tonight with only one loss and ranked as high as possible. Also, by seasons end we stand a better chance of finishing ahead of Providence in the conference standings than of finishing ahead of UCONN, so tag the Friars with as many losses as possible, IMO.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2023, 08:23:00 PM
I dislike everything Providence, but at the end of the day it is probably better for us if they win this.
Is it?
Butler-DePaul is so bad.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2023, 08:21:36 PM
Nah death to PC
And I want Uconn to still be top 5 when they come to us next week.
Yep. Screw PC. They got away with too much last year and our loss there still stings.
14 vs 55 percent differential on 3 pointers is not going to continue.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 04, 2023, 08:25:08 PM
Hold your nose and root for UCONN. We want them coming to Milwaukee a week from tonight with only one loss and ranked as high as possible. Also, by seasons end we stand a better chance of finishing ahead of Providence in the conference standings than of finishing ahead of UCONN, so tag the Friars with as many losses as possible, IMO.
No, you're setting your sights too low. PC wins tonight and we beat UConn next week and we're two games ahead of UConn in the standings and anything is possible.
What does the free throw differential look like? And will Danny get another T if it stays like this?
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
What does the free throw differential look like? And will Danny get another T if it stays like this?
17-7
18-9 fouls
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
What does the free throw differential look like? And will Danny get another T if it stays like this?
19-7 right now.
About to be 25'-7.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2023, 09:26:01 PM
About to be 25'-7.
And PC fans are still bitching about calls.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 04, 2023, 09:29:40 PM
And PC fans are still bitching about calls.
That said UCONN hss been abysmal tonight. We need to throttle both of these teams and have the firepower to do just that.
That should have been an F-1 on Carter.
I would like Shaka to get an enforcer type player at MU.
This is sickening officiating.
Uconn gets mugged no call.
Then Jackson get undercut on a put back. No call.
What is Cooley paying this league?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2023, 09:38:20 PM
This is sickening officiating.
Uconn gets mugged no call.
Then Jackson get undercut on a put back. No call.
What is Cooley paying this league?
Croswell is leaning on Sanogo every single time he touches the ball. Can't believe they aren't calling him for fouls. Also is Bynum hurt?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2023, 09:38:20 PM
This is sickening officiating.
Uconn gets mugged no call.
Then Jackson get undercut on a put back. No call.
What is Cooley paying this league?
Agreed. Poor, poor, officiating.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2023, 09:38:20 PM
This is sickening officiating.
Uconn gets mugged no call.
Then Jackson get undercut on a put back. No call.
What is Cooley paying this league?
Cooley is about as likeable coach as exists in college sports; and Hurley is about as unlikeable a person as there is on the planet. That has to play a role.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 04, 2023, 09:45:58 PM
Cooley is about as likeable coach as exists in college sports; and Hurley is about as unlikeable a person as there is on the planet. That has to play a role.
Fair point but some of this seems laughable to me.
Providence's hustle is amazing to watch and they are crashing the boards.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 04, 2023, 09:45:58 PM
Cooley is about as likeable coach as exists in college sports; and Hurley is about as unlikeable a person as there is on the planet. That has to play a role.
I dislike them both equally.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2023, 09:56:52 PM
You dislike Cooley?
Yes. If they're not on or for Marquette then...you know...what Kolek said
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2023, 09:57:41 PM
Yes. If they're not on or for Marquette then...you know...what Kolek said
Okay.
UConn has Creighton on Saturday before Marquette on Wednesday. Gauntlet for them.
As I said a few days ago, UConn does not look like some kind of Best Team In Country juggernaut. They're just one of the many very good teams in a season that does not yet seem to have any truly dominant squads.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2023, 10:03:22 PM
As I said a few days ago, UConn does not look like some kind of Best Team In Country juggernaut. They're just one of the many very good teams in a season that does not yet seem to have any truly dominant squads.
Getting into a Top 5 ranking might backfire of Hurley. He's yet to win a tourney game for UConn but now his fanbase is expecting a Final Four this March. They've got the guys, but I'm not sure he's got the approach to get the most out of his team. He's got to get to the S16 or I expect some will be calling for a change in Connecticut.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 09, 2022, 09:33:13 AM
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:
22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins
I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.
This is why we don't write Providence off after one bad non-conference game. I was wrong too, thought they wouldn't be good this season. At this point I'm just trying for a reverse jinx ;D
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 04, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
Except there are two halves.
Hoyas shoot 21% after halftime, lose 73-57. Twenty points in the paint in the first half, two in the second.
Of interest to Marquette: four GU players out: Heath (broken finger) and Bristol (concussion) did not play, while Murray (arm injury) and Mozone (hip) were hurt in this one.
If all four of those are out on Saturday, we're look at an opposing starting lineup of:
Primo Spears
Denver Anglin
Jordan Riley
Akok Akok
Qudus Wahab
Imagine having to start two guys in a Big East conference game who get less than 10 minutes a game for the 217th best team in the country. Plus three of the four available subs would be centers who can't play together at the same time.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2023, 09:39:55 PM
Also is Bynum hurt?
Bynum left in the first half holding his ribs after going up in with some other players to contest a shot. He never returned.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2023, 09:38:20 PM
This is sickening officiating.
Uconn gets mugged no call.
Then Jackson get undercut on a put back. No call.
What is Cooley paying this league?
40 percent of their points were at the line. It was 2 to 1 against UCONN and almost 3 to 1 against us. There seems to be a pattern there. Let's see how they do when they play on the road. I'm sure when they play in the tournament the zebras won't be so lop sided.
Sportcenter ticker all over GT losing 25 straight Big East games. Crazy to think about.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 05, 2023, 04:57:03 AM
40 percent of their points were at the line. It was 2 to 1 against UCONN and almost 3 to 1 against us. There seems to be a pattern there. Let's see how they do when they play on the road. I'm sure when they play in the tournament the zebras won't be so lop sided.
Yout point is fair but Hurley was completely outcoached last night. Sanogo barely got the ball in the 2nd half. UCONN is really talented but did not play well at all at XU or at Prov.
The homecooking officiating helped Providence. But Muggsy is right that UConn quit looking for Sanogo. They started jacking early shot clock 3's, just like they did at Xavier.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 05, 2023, 06:02:26 AM
Sportcenter ticker all over GT losing 25 straight Big East games. Crazy to think about.
And ESPN.com has an article (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35381864/georgetown-sets-dubious-mark-25th-straight-big-east-loss) about it. In the article, they mention that yesterday Georgetown's AD issued a statement (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35379380/georgetown-ad-acknowledges-frustrating-men-hoops-team) acknowledging that it's a "frustrating time" for the program and fans. Any time you have press writing stories about your teams futility and the AD commenting publicly, it's probably not a good sign. I suspect that Ewing's days on the Hilltop are numbered. I'm certainly not predicting it, but I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ewing isn't at Fiserv Saturday.
Delighted to see Cooley & Company romp over their local rival U Conn.
Also nice to see Butler get to 10 wins on the year
Nova back above .500 for the year after avoiding the spectacle of losing to Georgetown
Is the Georgetown job not desirable anymore? The fact that they kept Ewing is crazy but who could turn that program around and would want that gig?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 07:10:09 AM
crazy could turn that program around...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TizsgaGRKeU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 05, 2023, 06:55:35 AM
And ESPN.com has an article (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35381864/georgetown-sets-dubious-mark-25th-straight-big-east-loss) about it. In the article, they mention that yesterday Georgetown's AD issued a statement (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35379380/georgetown-ad-acknowledges-frustrating-men-hoops-team) acknowledging that it's a "frustrating time" for the program and fans. Any time you have press writing stories about your teams futility and the AD commenting publicly, it's probably not a good sign. I suspect that Ewing's days on the Hilltop are numbered. I'm certainly not predicting it, but I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ewing isn't at Fiserv Saturday.
Ewing basically double dog dared the administration to fire him during his presser last night. If I were Degoia, I'd take him up on the invite.
https://open.substack.com/pub/hilltophoops/p/patrick-ewing-georgetown-future?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 05, 2023, 06:02:26 AM
Sportcenter ticker all over GT losing 25 straight Big East games. Crazy to think about.
Wojo to Georgetown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 07:10:09 AM
Is the Georgetown job not desirable anymore? The fact that they kept Ewing is crazy but who could turn that program around and would want that gig?
I think it's still a desirable job. Despite it's total collapse, Georgetown has a proud history and that's a draw for a coach looking to make a name. I'd think that plenty of mid-major HC or power-5 assistants would be more than wiling to give it a shot. Don't get me wrong, I think that there are a lot of things that make it a crappy job, but they won't have to much trouble getting the job filled with a hungry up-and-comer. If they're determined to hire someone "established"...well...that might be a little more difficult. Robert Jones at Norfolk State is on a lot of lists as a coach to watch and has made the tournament the last couple years. Would that be dipping too low for GU? Could Drew Valentine be pried away from Loyola? Our old friend Stan Johnson?
If GTown had any sense at all they'd have lined up a deal with Chris Mack already.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 05, 2023, 07:48:57 AM
If GTown had any sense at all...
I have serious doubts that they do. Obviously, basketball is a
very different beast than non-revenue sports, but in my experience with the GU athletics department (and GU in general)... well, they often don't seem to have a lot of sense.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 05, 2023, 07:48:57 AM
...they'd have lined up a deal with Chris Mack already.
At the risk of being indelicate, I'd be a little surprised if GU made a traditional coaching hire.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2023, 06:45:28 AM
The homecooking officiating helped Providence. But Muggsy is right that UConn quit looking for Sanogo. They started jacking early shot clock 3's, just like they did at Xavier.
Home cooking? More like a 7 course banquet especially against us, though I agree UCONN did not play well these last 2 games. Even Gtown would win a game with so many fouls called against their opponent.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 06:24:19 AM
Yout point is fair but Hurley was completely outcoached last night. Sanogo barely got the ball in the 2nd half. UCONN is really talented but did not play well at all at XU or at Prov.
Cooley's game plan and preparation of his team for UCONN vs.
whatever that was that Hurley put together as a game plan was in stark contrast. Hurley got schooled.
I do not think that the huge disparity in FT's in our game vs. PC and the differential from last night can
solely be chalked up to the refs favoring PC. Motive? I think we need to include two factors in the disparity in both games- PC seems to be coached in how to draw fouls and both MU's and UCONN's defenses are aggressive (not saying PC's is not). Lastly, refs have admitted over the years of being affected by the home crowd and trying to be conscious of that being a factor, yet the home teams still seem to have an advantage. The refs are human (insert jokes here debating that short statement) and the home teams are likely to continue to have an edge in referees' calls. I'll finish by saying that the 49-19 disparity in our game goes well beyond the home court advantage, but again I ask. Motive?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 06:24:19 AM
Yout point is fair but Hurley was completely outcoached last night. Sanogo barely got the ball in the 2nd half. UCONN is really talented but did not play well at all at XU or at Prov.
Didn't play very well against Georgetown and most of the game against Nova, either.
I'll believe in Dan Hurley being a superior coach as soon as he gets to a second weekend in March. So far he's 0-for-12, including 0-for-4 at UConn.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2023, 08:16:03 AM
Cooley's game plan and preparation of his team for UCONN vs. whatever that was that Hurley put together as a game plan was in stark contrast. Hurley got schooled.
I do not think that the huge disparity in FT's in our game vs. PC and the differential from last night can solely be chalked up to the refs favoring PC. Motive? I think we need to include two factors in the disparity in both games- PC seems to be coached in how to draw fouls and both MU's and UCONN's defenses are aggressive (not saying PC's is not). Lastly, refs have admitted over the years of being affected by the home crowd and trying to be conscious of that being a factor, yet the home teams still seem to have an advantage. The refs are human (insert jokes here debating that short statement) and the home teams are likely to continue to have an edge in referees' calls. I'll finish by saying that the 49-19 disparity in our game goes well beyond the home court advantage, but again I ask. Motive?
No motive, it just demonstrates how the zebras can take a team out of the game when they don't call the same contact consistently at both ends and quite frankly we could have pooled that game out if our guys did not foul out.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 05, 2023, 07:44:50 AM
I think it's still a desirable job. Despite it's total collapse, Georgetown has a proud history and that's a draw for a coach looking to make a name. I'd think that plenty of mid-major HC or power-5 assistants would be more than wiling to give it a shot. Don't get me wrong, I think that there are a lot of things that make it a crappy job, but they won't have to much trouble getting the job filled with a hungry up-and-comer. If they're determined to hire someone "established"...well...that might be a little more difficult. Robert Jones at Norfolk State is on a lot of lists as a coach to watch and has made the tournament the last couple years. Would that be dipping too low for GU? Could Drew Valentine be pried away from Loyola? Our old friend Stan Johnson?
Is the structure that has the b-ball coach reporting directly to the President of the University rather than to the AD something that is appealing to a potential candidate? Or, will the AD (or future coach) try to insist upon a change before a new coach is contracted?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 05, 2023, 08:33:42 AM
No motive, it just demonstrates how the zebras can take a team out of the game when they don't call the same contact consistently at both ends and quit frankly we could have pooled that game out if our guys did not foul out.
PC's court is often wet, but I would not call it a pool.
In so many of your posts, you remind me of the self-deprecating humorous tagline from NPR's
Car Talk featuring
Cllck and Clack, the tappet brothers: "All of our answers are unimpeded by the thought process."
At least you added one fact- we "could have pooled that game out". Kudos!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2023, 08:16:03 AM
Cooley's game plan and preparation of his team for UCONN vs. whatever that was that Hurley put together as a game plan was in stark contrast. Hurley got schooled.
I do not think that the huge disparity in FT's in our game vs. PC and the differential from last night can solely be chalked up to the refs favoring PC. Motive? I think we need to include two factors in the disparity in both games- PC seems to be coached in how to draw fouls and both MU's and UCONN's defenses are aggressive (not saying PC's is not). Lastly, refs have admitted over the years of being affected by the home crowd and trying to be conscious of that being a factor, yet the home teams still seem to have an advantage. The refs are human (insert jokes here debating that short statement) and the home teams are likely to continue to have an edge in referees' calls. I'll finish by saying that the 49-19 disparity in our game goes well beyond the home court advantage, but again I ask. Motive?
We were still in perfect position to win that game in Providence Scoop Snoop with that ridiculous FT disparity. The bottom line is we had no answers for Hopkins and did not execute when we had a 8 or 9 point lead late. I'm a big proponent of slamming the door. The fact is we did not and let that game slip through our hands. That said I'm encouraged that this group didn't let that stinging loss linger. I fully expect a surgical and medieval evisceration when the Friars come to Milwaukee. Just sayin.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 08:59:45 AM
We were still in perfect position to win that game in Providence Scoop Snoop with that ridiculous FT disparity. The bottom line is we had no answers for Hopkins and did not execute when we had a 8 or 9 point lead late. I'm a big proponent of slamming the door. The fact is we did not and let that game slip through our hands. That said I'm encouraged that this group didn't let that stinging loss linger. I fully expect a surgical and medieval evisceration when the Friars come to Milwaukee. Just sayin.
Cooley has Shaka's number
Although I have "factually" acknowledged home cooking, let's look at an example of skill at drawing fouls: Andrew Rowsey's "thing".
There are probably stats somewhere detailing the rate of occurrence of a 3-point shooter being fouled while successfully making his shot. Without my doing the research to prove it, can we agree that his success at drawing that foul is probably well above average? This is a easy example of skill in drawing a foul. I loved it when Angel Delgado lined up at the FT line once and laughed "You got me Rowsey. You got me."
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
Cooley has Shaka's number
Uh-Huh. Just like he did last year when we unloaded on his team mercilessly at Fiserv?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 08:59:45 AM
We were still in perfect position to win that game in Providence Scoop Snoop with that ridiculous FT disparity. The bottom line is we had no answers for Hopkins and did not execute when we had a 8 or 9 point lead late. I'm a big proponent of slamming the door. The fact is we did not and let that game slip through our hands. That said I'm encouraged that this group didn't let that stinging loss linger. I fully expect a surgical and medieval evisceration when the Friars come to Milwaukee. Just sayin.
Agree that we were in a position to win and the disparity played a huge part, but we didn't. The bolded is soooo true.
Quote from: mug644 on January 05, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
Is the structure that has the b-ball coach reporting directly to the President of the University rather than to the AD something that is appealing to a potential candidate? Or, will the AD (or future coach) try to insist upon a change before a new coach is contracted?
It's hard to say for sure since candidates might have differing views. I'd think that it might be unappealing...but opportunity and cash are
very appealing and may overshadow that unusual structure. I think Georgetown has tremendous upside potential as a job (or at least will be able to convince an eager and confident candidate that it does). Maybe the issue with DeGioia will deter some candidates who have other high-major opportunities, but I think they'll end up with a decent candidate.
I saw on one of the pre- game shows that PC has the biggest FT number in the BE, and by a pretty good margin. The question is, why? Our game there was surreal as to the calls. Last night, PC would strip a guy - clean, of course. At the other end, same play, foul. If a Friar stumbles on a drive and there's an opponent anywhere near him, foul. Plus, the PC guys have no shortage of drama, play to the (loud) crowd, and get the call, often quite late. Does the league have any role here?
And speaking of the league, I know PC was a charter member, and I respect St. David's pivotal role in its founding, but for God's sake, how long are the conditions in that arena to be tolerated? I was at the hockey game we had there a few years ago and if I had been Wojo I would not have played given the conditions and would have accepted the consequences. I would not have subjected my guys to the risk of playing on a surface like that.
What good is a league if it does nothing to deal with issues like these? The first, although constituting a competitive disadvantage for visiting teams, is merely annoying. The second is a different story because it is a threat to the well-being of the league's players.
Maybe if a talented athlete sustains a significant injury there due to the conditions someone will wake up (while paying the handsome settlement).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
Cooley has Shaka's number
I mean, I imagine they've exchanged numbers before. Would be weirder if they didn't.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 05, 2023, 09:15:19 AM
I saw on one of the pre- game shows that PC has the biggest FT number in the BE, and by a pretty good margin. The question is, why? Our game there was surreal as to the calls. Last night, PC would strip a guy - clean, of course. At the other end, same play, foul. If a Friar stumbles on a drive and there's an opponent anywhere near him, foul. Plus, the PC guys have no shortage of drama, play to the (loud) crowd, and get the call, often quite late. Does the league have any role here?
And speaking of the league, I know PC was a charter member, and I respect St. David's pivotal role in its founding, but for God's sake, how long are the conditions in that arena to be tolerated? I was at the hockey game we had there a few years ago and if I had been Wojo I would not have played given the conditions and would have accepted the consequences. I would not have subjected my guys to the risk of playing on a surface like that.
What good is a league if it does nothing to deal with issues like these? The first, although constituting a competitive disadvantage for visiting teams, is merely annoying. The second is a different story because it is a threat to the well-being of the league's players.
Maybe if a talented athlete sustains a significant injury there due to the conditions someone will wake up (while paying the handsome settlement).
You have added some valuable insights into PC's FT advantage and added a very important point regarding safety on their wet court. I remember a SH player being seriously injured there some years back. It makes perfect sense that PC would be better adapted to playing on a wet court and also it is reasonable that visitors would be not only at a disadvantage on both ends of the court but also more likely to be called for fouls. That does not preclude "home cooking" but a knee-jerk "the refs gave them the game" response fails to logically delve into other factors. Thanks for posting.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 09:04:25 AM
Uh-Huh. Just like he did last year when we unloaded on his team mercilessly at Fiserv?
#FakeNews
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 05, 2023, 09:15:19 AM
I was at the hockey game we had there a few years ago and if I had been Wojo I would not have played given the conditions and would have accepted the consequences. I would not have subjected my guys to the risk of playing on a surface like that.
The most ridiculous game of the wojo tenure. Refs stopped calling traveling in the second half and just let Providence take the ball out of bounds every time they "slipped", which happened repeatedly as a 14 point lead evaporated.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2023, 08:20:38 AM
I'll believe in Dan Hurley being a superior coach as soon as he gets to a second weekend in March. So far he's 0-for-12, including 0-for-4 at UConn.
Plus, he has a punchable face.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2023, 09:45:42 AM
Plus, he has a punchable face.
Tower, I didn't know you had a violent streak?
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 05, 2023, 09:31:17 AM
The most ridiculous game of the wojo tenure. Refs stopped calling traveling in the second half and just let Providence take the ball out of bounds every time they "slipped", which happened repeatedly as a 14 point lead evaporated.
Wojo was a bad coach, but what should he have done? I guess he could have taken his team to the locker room in protest. It would have been a forfeit loss, but he'd have made a statement.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2023, 10:13:35 AM
Wojo was a bad coach, but what should he have done? I guess he could have taken his team to the locker room in protest. It would have been a forfeit loss, but he'd have made a statement.
Yes. That's what he should have done.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 05, 2023, 10:36:48 AM
Yes. That's what he should have done.
That would have created its own firestorm, but I tend to agree.
I wonder how many coaches would have done that. Perhaps some.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2023, 10:45:37 AM
That would have created its own firestorm, but I tend to agree.
I wonder how many coaches would have done that. Perhaps some.
As in most things, I suppose it comes down to money. I wonder if Wojo even talked to anyone. He should have. I imagine he could get it touch with the AD without difficulty. Does the league have people on site? TV contract and $$$$ probably led to the game being played under unsafe conditions.
That instance aside, there are still always multiple slips, falls in games played there, up to and including last night. The league's continuing to acquiesce to those conditions shows where their priorities are.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 05, 2023, 10:58:01 AM
As in most things, I suppose it comes down to money. I wonder if Wojo even talked to anyone. He should have. I imagine he could get it touch with the AD without difficulty. Does the league have people on site? TV contract and $$$$ probably led to the game being played under unsafe conditions.
That instance aside, there are still always multiple slips, falls in games played there, up to and including last night. The league's continuing to acquiesce to those conditions shows where their priorities are.
The BE should force the issue. I think PC has an unfair advantage since they have far more experience in playing on that (expletives deleted) court. I would be in favor of the BE bailing PC out of whatever is left on their lease obligations, but telling them, not asking them, that BE games cannot be played there. Unlikely to happen and I do not know if the BE has the legal authority to do that. Just venting.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2023, 10:45:37 AM
That would have created its own firestorm, but I tend to agree.
I wonder how many coaches would have done that. Perhaps some.
It would have been so easy to say that he didn't want any of his players blowing out their knee or putting a bone through their skin like Kevin Ware. Then mention that this seems to happen often at this particular arena and that he has brought it up before and it clearly hasn't been addressed. Then say that because it hasn't been addressed and the surface is unsafe that he is keeping his players in the locker room. Suggest that the game be moved to the nearest high school if the BEAST would like to continue safely. Accept that if his decision means that Marquette will take a loss for forfeiting that at least he did something unlike those in charge of simple court maintenance... and end with something about having to change the rules of the game because of the playing surface just to play the game feels wrong, and that the problem isn't new.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2023, 08:44:10 AM
PC's court is often wet, but I would not call it a pool.
In so many of your posts, you remind me of the self-deprecating humorous tagline from NPR's Car Talk featuring
Cllck and Clack, the tappet brothers: "All of our answers are unimpeded by the thought process."
At least you added one fact- we "could have pooled that game out". Kudos!
I deserved that, but I think you know what I meant.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2023, 09:25:57 AMI remember a SH player being seriously injured there some years back.
That would be Desi Rodriguez (I had to look it up). Not only was he significantly hurt, the game was stopped and was finished on campus the next day!
And Rodriguez was not himself for the rest of the season.
And even with that, crickets from the league office. I wonder if the gross receipts from ticket sales at the Dunk/AMP vs. what they'd be able to make playing in their gym has anything to do with the perpetuation of this perilous situation.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 10:01:21 AM
Tower, I didn't know you had a violent streak?
Quoting dickthedribbler.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2023, 12:06:34 PM
Quoting dickthedribbler.
Well.....Hurley is really, really, really, really, unlikable. :)
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 04, 2023, 11:23:13 PM
If all four of those are out on Saturday, we're look at an opposing starting lineup of:
Primo Spears
Denver Anglin
Jordan Riley
Akok Akok
Qudus Wahab
Imagine having to start two guys in a Big East conference game who get less than 10 minutes a game for the 217th best team in the country. Plus three of the four available subs would be centers who can't play together at the same time.
At present, part of GT's problems relate to injuries. But when they are setting records for futility, we need to look for a precedent. Temple got the boot from the BE for failure to field a competitive team so there is a precedent. Anyone in the league office got the stones to oust a charter member?
Not gonna happen.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 05, 2023, 12:51:33 PM
At present, part of GT's problems relate to injuries. But when they are setting records for futility, we need to look for a precedent. Temple got the boot from the BE for failure to field a competitive team so there is a precedent. Anyone in the league office got the stones to oust a charter member?
Not gonna happen.
I don't think so because at present GTown would probably still fight it based on not kicking DePaul out. I imagine we'd have to reach another level of complete ineptitude to kick Georgetown out and them not have that leg to stand on.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 04, 2023, 11:08:15 PM
This is why we don't write Providence off after one bad non-conference game. I was wrong too, thought they wouldn't be good this season. At this point I'm just trying for a reverse jinx ;D
Count me as one of those (probably the main guy) knocking PC early. I never in a million years Hopkins would be the player he is so quickly. That's freed up croswell from a lot of the pressure inside. Carter is proving to be a more than capable consistent scorer. Something he didn't do at USC. Noah Locke found his Florida form and Bynum is holding everything together well at the point. Basically best case scenario for all of the individual pieces.
I was very off on them for sure.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 10:01:21 AM
Tower, I didn't know you had a violent streak?
He prolly meant donkey punch, hey
Actually had to google that. Nah. Not my can of diet Pepsi.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2023, 09:04:25 AM
Uh-Huh. Just like he did last year when we unloaded on his team mercilessly at Fiserv?
Muggsy Muggsy Muggsy get with the program.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2023, 11:06:31 AM
The BE should force the issue. I think PC has an unfair advantage since they have far more experience in playing on that (expletives deleted) court. I would be in favor of the BE bailing PC out of whatever is left on their lease obligations, but telling them, not asking them, that BE games cannot be played there. Unlikely to happen and I do not know if the BE has the legal authority to do that. Just venting.
There'd have to be an alternative location, and there just isnt. Providence isn't a big enough city to need two arenas over 10k in capacity. The next best alternative would be to rent space from URI, but I can't see that happening (except maybe as a 1-year construction stop gap).
We're stuck with the Dunk.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 05, 2023, 11:01:43 PM
There'd have to be an alternative location, and there just isnt. Providence isn't a big enough city to need two arenas over 10k in capacity. The next best alternative would be to rent space from URI, but I can't see that happening (except maybe as a 1-year construction stop gap).
We're stuck with the Dunk.
Yeah, I know. That's why I added "just venting" at the end. They do have an alternative if you count their on-campus facility, but that's so obviously not a comparable alternative. I have absolutely no problem with a team having a phenomenal home court record (25-1) but not the part where (I believe) they have an advantage due to a crappy court that they have adjusted to.
Do we want UCONN and Prov in these two games?
Donny Marshall just stated that Creighton has one of the top 3/4 coaches in America.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 07, 2023, 11:47:09 AM
Do we want UCONN and Prov in these two games?
I think we want the teams we beat Creighton and The Johnnies to win.
On the other hand probably better for the league overall if U Conn and Cooley & Company win
Johnnies up at halftime over Cooley & Company
U Conn solid in control at half over Creighton
I just can't ever pull for PC after the hose job we took there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 07, 2023, 11:47:09 AM
Do we want UCONN and Prov in these two games?
I hope they play hard and have fun.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 07, 2023, 11:47:09 AM
Do we want UCONN and Prov in these two games?
It doesn't really matter, we want teams to qualify at the back end of quadrants for seeding. Personally until Marquette drops 3+ games, I like seeing PC and UConn lose because it makes me feel like we can win the league.
Creighton winning probably helps them stay Q1.
St. John's has a long way to go to q1.
Johnnies giving PC everything they can handle.
Curbelo playing today. His penance must be served.
Bynum out with an abdominal strain. When it happened against UConn, I thought he was moving like he cracked a rib. Oops. Abdominal strains can linger.
It looks like Prov will hold on.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 07, 2023, 01:06:31 PM
It looks like Prov will hold on.
Some kind of horseshoe or clover up there.
Didn't see Creighton-UConn game, but looking at stats it appears Sanogo dominated Kalkbrenner.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2023, 01:32:16 PM
Didn't see Creighton-UConn game, but looking at stats it appears Sanogo dominated Kalkbrenner.
Kalkbrenner looked pretty intimidated today.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 07, 2023, 01:37:09 PM
Kalkbrenner looked pretty intimidated today.
Imagine how Oso will look 🫣
Cooley & Company keeps on winning.
U Conn getting back to feeding the Big Fella worked out.
Rooting for a Nova win against X.
Will be interesting to see what Butler can bring against The Hall.
Dixon wearing a jersey that is not his number and does not have his name on it. Did he do a Hulk to his regular jersey?
Nova not looking good right now.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2023, 04:39:22 PM
Dixon wearing a jersey that is not his number and does not have his name on it. Did he do a Hulk to his regular jersey?
Blood stained, so he changed. None of that sissy ACC style ball in the BE.
Solid road win for X over an improving Nova
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 07, 2023, 06:13:49 PM
Solid road win for X over an improving Nova
Villanova looked terrible today
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2023, 01:32:16 PM
Didn't see Creighton-UConn game, but looking at stats it appears Sanogo dominated Kalkbrenner.
Had his way with Kalkbrenner. Every time he received a good entry pass, he patiently backed K down, went left, right and back again, and dropped a 6 footer over him. Very impressive. Plan was evident that there would be no help D, and Sanogo took advantage.
As to someone else's comment on Oso, I think MU will mix up the D, with Oso getting help a fair amount of the time - and he'll probably front him too, with backside help, and I don't think Kalkbrenner ever fronted him. Also will need some good minutes from Gold vs Clingan
Thad seriously madda right now. Mike Deane-esque with the time outs right now.
First half: Seton Hall pushing the ball and attacking. Butler standing still.
Not looking ahead past UConn, but biggest X-factor for the Xavier game will be Freemantle. Hit massive 3s at the end of the game. I kinda hope Oso guards Freemantle and Omax on Nunge since Nunge steps out and shoots so well.
Butler seems to get blown out a lot despite their winning record
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 07, 2023, 09:22:21 PM
Butler seems to get blown out a lot despite their winning record
It's good for the Big East
Quote from: zcg2013 on January 07, 2023, 09:08:39 PM
Not looking ahead past UConn, but biggest X-factor for the Xavier game will be Freemantle. Hit massive 3s at the end of the game. I kinda hope Oso guards Freemantle and Omax on Nunge since Nunge steps out and shoots so well.
Makes sense. Freemantle has cut way back on his 3s this year, but can still get hot as he showed yesterday. Nunge is a consistent weapon inside and from 3.
I'd love to know the story behind the story on Freemantle last year. Something had to be going on. He is a completely different player. He is back to playing this year like he was supposed to last year when I believe he was pre-season player of the year, or at least first-team All Big East. Now that X has a coach to go along with the talent level, they are formidable. What a different when they aren't taking f'd up shots (Miller's term). MU v. X will be fun to watch. Two talented, disciplined and very good passing teams.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 08, 2023, 02:01:56 PM
Makes sense. Freemantle has cut way back on his 3s this year, but can still get hot as he showed yesterday. Nunge is a consistent weapon inside and from 3.
I'd love to know the story behind the story on Freemantle last year. Something had to be going on. He is a completely different player. He is back to playing this year like he was supposed to last year when I believe he was pre-season player of the year, or at least first-team All Big East. Now that X has a coach to go along with the talent level, they are formidable. What a different when they aren't taking f'd up shots (Miller's term). MU v. X will be fun to watch. Two talented, disciplined and very good passing teams.
Two of the best offenses in college basketball, one pressures a lot on defense, the other more of a containment but still moderately effective defense.
Big East with two of the top 10 transfers per this article . Hopkins and Boum
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-power-rankings-Bryce-Hopkins-soars-in-10-best-transfers-after-Providence-blitzes-UConn-202197980/Amp/
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 08, 2023, 02:01:56 PM
Makes sense. Freemantle has cut way back on his 3s this year, but can still get hot as he showed yesterday. Nunge is a consistent weapon inside and from 3.
I'd love to know the story behind the story on Freemantle last year. Something had to be going on. He is a completely different player. He is back to playing this year like he was supposed to last year when I believe he was pre-season player of the year, or at least first-team All Big East. Now that X has a coach to go along with the talent level, they are formidable. What a different when they aren't taking f'd up shots (Miller's term). MU v. X will be fun to watch. Two talented, disciplined and very good passing teams.
Because my daughter is a student I've watched a lot of Xavier games the last few seasons. I believe Freemantle came back after an injury and missed games early and never seemed to be able to get in a groove after returning last season.
https://www.ctpost.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-s-Adama-Sanogo-Wooden-Award-17695236.php
St. John's up 7 late in the first half against Butler. Would be a terrible loss for the Bulldogs
Johnnies with a excellent win over The Bill Dogs. Soriano putting up a lot of production .
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 10, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
Johnnies with a excellent win over The Bill Dogs. Soriano putting up a lot of production .
Terrible loss for Butler. You can't lose to a team like St. John's and expect to make the tournament
Georgetown and SHU doing the point-a-minute offense.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2023, 08:12:26 PM
Georgetown and SHU doing the point-a-minute offense.
Seton Hall is worse than St. John's
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2023, 07:42:41 PM
Terrible loss for Butler. You can't lose to a team like St. John's and expect to make the tournament
But good for the BE
Nova in a dog fight against Blue Demons
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 10, 2023, 09:15:28 PM
Nova in a dog fight against Blue Demons
Jeesh. They better wake up.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 10, 2023, 09:39:51 PM
Jeesh. They better wake up.
60 ticks to do so. Down 8.
Quote from: Oldgym on January 10, 2023, 10:04:35 PM
60 ticks to do so. Down 8.
Will their 14 fans be storming the court?
Is Villanova done? I keep hearing they are going to get their act together but I think they may be out of time.
Nova's next three are @Butler, Georgetown, and @St John's. Not great for their numbers, but a talented team needing to get its sh*t should be able to do it against that Murderer's Row.
They have time.
Quote from: The Thing on January 10, 2023, 10:18:01 PM
Is Villanova done? I keep hearing they are going to get their act together but I think they may be out of time.
If they aren't finished, then they are on life support. We've lost to DePaul enough times to know that's it's very difficult to make that one up as far the metrics go.
I predicted Nova to go 7-0 in January and even that would have only just put them in the conversation. Too steep a hill to climb, imo. I guess that's what you get when you get lazy with your coaching search.
Quote from: Oldgym on January 10, 2023, 10:37:54 PM
Nova's next three are @Butler, Georgetown, and @St John's. Not great for their numbers, but a talented team needing to get its sh*t should be able to do it against that Murderer's Row.
They have time.
They just lost at DePaul, so it's hard to feel confident heading to Butler and St John's. They have time, but they probably need to win 10/14 to have any type of tournament hopes.
Nova made a mistake with their coaching hire
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 11, 2023, 02:54:33 AM
Nova made a mistakes with their coaching hire
It is odd that Jay seems to have surprised the administration with his retirement. I would have thought he'd spend a little more time succession planning to avoid this type of drop off.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 11, 2023, 02:54:33 AM
Nova made a mistakes with their coaching hire
I'm not ready to go there yet. That system takes time and they don't have three proven point guard that was there for a decade before. He didn't try to do what Jerome Tang or Dennis Gates are doing. I want to see what he does recruitment and development wise, particularity at the 1, before writing him off.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Whitmore look elsewhere in this day and age.
I expect Wright to coach again. Maybe in the NBA.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 11, 2023, 06:42:29 AM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Whitmore look elsewhere in this day and age.
Yes, the NBA
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 11, 2023, 07:11:05 AM
Mistake
Guys didn't leave school when Jay Wright was there.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 10, 2023, 10:46:41 PM
If they aren't finished, then they are on life support. We've lost to DePaul enough times to know that's it's very difficult to make that one up as far the metrics go.
I predicted Nova to go 7-0 in January and even that would have only just put them in the conversation. Too steep a hill to climb, imo. I guess that's what you get when you get lazy with your coaching search.
Yeah, but I think they were too focused on continuity with their very successful program. Neptune may pull this off in the next season or two, but I think they would have been better to hire a well proven coach and let him take over and establish his own system.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 11, 2023, 05:27:31 AM
It is odd that Jay seems to have surprised the administration with his retirement. I would have thought he'd spend a little more time succession planning to avoid this type of drop off.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 10, 2023, 10:46:41 PM
I predicted Nova to go 7-0 in January and even that would have only just put them in the conversation. Too steep a hill to climb, imo. I guess that's what you get when you get lazy with your coaching search.
I think Kyle Neptune was always their succession plan. Is promoting the long-time assistant of a head coach "lazy?"
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2023, 05:30:22 AM
I'm not ready to go there yet. That system takes time and they don't have three proven point guard that was there for a decade before. He didn't try to do what Jerome Tang or Dennis Gates are doing. I want to see what he does recruitment and development wise, particularity at the 1, before writing him off.
Exactly. He may not be the guy, but we are halfway through year one.
I get what you are saying Sultan, but question if a system-in this case Wright's- can be successfully passed on to another coach, even if he was the designated heir? It has worked for UW, but it will take a while to see if it will also work at Nova. I think Gillespie's absence is a huge factor, but even so- this year's team does not look polished and in control like Jay's teams did.
As has been observed, lamented, and obsessed over here for years, PG play is important.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 11, 2023, 07:50:57 AM
I get what you are saying Sultan, but question if a system-in this case Wright's- can be successfully passed on to another coach, even if he was the designated heir? It has worked for UW, but it will take a while to see if it will also work at Nova. I think Gillespie's absence is a huge factor, but even so- this year's team does not look polished and in control like Jay's teams did.
Look, I get all that. And Neptune might not be the guy in the long run. But think about the most successful college basketball coaches over the course of history. Almost all of them are replaced by a long time assistant with various degrees of success. (And yes I realize that Neptune spent a year at Fordham.)
Duke, UNC, Villanova... None of them were ever going to hire outside their program. The players don't like it, the boosters don't like it, the former coach doesn't like it. And coaches who are hired from the outside often have a REAL tough time. Gene Bartow at UCLA is an example.
It's just easier to hire the in-house guy, and if it doesn't work look elsewhere.
Gard, Izzo and Few worked out tremendously as coaches-in-waiting. Plenty of others have failed miserably.
It wasn't at all shocking that Nova hired in house, and it's far too early to say whether or not he will succeed IMHO. Neptune inherited a team with no PG and with its heart-and-soul player hurt. Fairness (for lack of better word) dictates that he get at least a couple of recruiting classes before he's judged.
Wright is always mentioned in reverential tones -- and deservedly so -- but he was a combined 52-46 in his first three seasons, with losing BE records in each one. He didn't win an NCAAT game until his 11th season as a head coach. I'm sure there were observers opining that he was lacking, too.
As much as we've talked about our close games, Nova is in a similar situation. If Whitmore is healthy, I'd bet that they win at least 2 out of MSU, ISU and Temple. If Moore was healthy, they probably add another 2 wins in there. There's a reason that 5 years to judge was a thing, let's actually see how Neptune does developing his own players. While he most likely won't be at Wright's level, I think there's every chance that he gets them consistently in the tournament.
What's the best way to replace a legend? Historically, most schools have gone internal/alumni tree. Guys like Cunningham, Gutheridge and Hank did very well but it wasn't enough for restless alumni. Others like Ollie and Davis rode the wave and then flamed out. You might add Joey Meyer to that. Then there are others as 82 pointed out like Gard, Few and Izzo who have kept the success up with the keeping it in house approach.
Louisville and Kentucky have had mostly success going outside to hire a proven coach, with the exception of Billy the Kid and Mack. Yet, Joe B Hall was successful following Rupp. (Sutton was a success, with the help of a briefcase).
Georgetown is mostly a failure keeping it within a tree. Nova hired Lappas and Wright out of their tree after Rollie, but both like Neptune went elsewhere first. One was a dud and one a stud. Arizona transition was a mess from Lute, going internal/interim then with cheater Miller. Kansas went external with Self after Roy returned to UNC after Doherty's flame out. Larry Brown was a short term fix at many programs/teams. Jimmy B has stayed on for too long.
End of the day, most programs go first within their trees, with mixed success.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 11, 2023, 08:12:02 AM
Look, I get all that. And Neptune might not be the guy in the long run. But think about the most successful college basketball coaches over the course of history. Almost all of them are replaced by a long time assistant with various degrees of success. (And yes I realize that Neptune spent a year at Fordham.)
Duke, UNC, Villanova... None of them were ever going to hire outside their program. The players don't like it, the boosters don't like it, the former coach doesn't like it. And coaches who are hired from the outside often have a REAL tough time. Gene Bartow at UCLA is an example.
It's just easier to hire the in-house guy, and if it doesn't work look elsewhere.
Yeah, you're right. I
hate when that happens.
Gotta say,
Genius scheduling putting your only two league games on at the exact same time. Compounded more when its 4 of the top 5 teams in the league.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2023, 10:10:04 PM
Will their 14 fans be storming the court?
Surprisingly, on TV it looked and sounded like they actually had a great crowd.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
Gotta say,
Genius scheduling putting your only two league games on at the exact same time. Compounded more when its 4 of the top 5 teams in the league.
I agree with this analysis
Creighton up 4 second half over X
Creighton gave it all it had but X prevails in the end .
Tough year for The Blue Jays relative to expectations . They need to go on a multi game winning streak soon.
Creighton has played 3 of the 4 top teams in the conference... Marquette, UConn and X. All 3 on the road.
We have played 3 of the top teams in the conference... Creighton, Providence and UConn. 2 at home, 1 on the road.
Creighton will be just fine.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 11, 2023, 08:31:39 PM
Creighton gave it all it had but X prevails in the end .
Tough year for The Blue Jays relative to expectations . They need to go on a multi game winning streak soon.
I thought Creighton would be a much better shooting team than they've been so far.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 11, 2023, 08:49:43 PM
I thought Creighton would be a much better shooting team than they've been so far.
Their real shooting % is 54.0%. That's actually better than their 50% of a year ago.
Kaluma is 33% from 3 which is better than his 27% last year. Nembhard is the same shooter. Scheierman is the problem. 38% is fine but it's well below his career averages. Step up in competetion has certainly been tough for him overall
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 11, 2023, 08:31:39 PM
Creighton gave it all it had but X prevails in the end .
Tough year for The Blue Jays relative to expectations . They need to go on a multi game winning streak soon.
Agreed. Single game winning streaks haven't been effective
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2023, 08:54:42 PM
Their real shooting % is 54.0%. That's actually better than their 50% of a year ago.
Kaluma is 33% from 3 which is better than his 27% last year. Nembhard is the same shooter. Scheierman is the problem. 38% is fine but it's well below his career averages. Step up in competetion has certainly been tough for him overall
I think those percentages have been inflated by some easy wins. Trey Alexander has been hot and cold all season. And with limited production from the bench, Scheierman and Alexander's struggles get magnified.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2023, 07:30:50 AM
Guys didn't leave school when Jay Wright was there.
I know this is somewhat of a tongue-in-cheek comment but one of my closest friends played on the Villanova 1985 National Championship team (that beat Ewing and Georgetown). He's stayed close to the program and is still extremely tight with Jay.
What he told me was that Jay was tired of having to re-recruit all of his players at the end of every season. The change in the transfer rules has made it something of the Wild, Wild West where pretty much every single one of the players will listen to any and all offers.
Also, as a side note, last year I went to the game at the Finn. Before the game and prior to the National Anthem they had a professor, who was a minority, sing a song of unity. The entire Nova team was on the floor linking arms. The National Anthem immediately followed. Only about half a dozen players remained on the floor for the that. The rest went back into the locker room and returned prior to the tip.
My buddy remarked that another friend, who works in the Nova development department and was also a walk-on on that 1985 team, was constantly fielding calls after every game from angry alumni who wanted to know why Jay was "letting them get away with that."
I think in the end it just got to be too political for Jay and he was in a position where, even with his proven track record of success, someone was always unhappy with the going-ons in the program.
Sean Miller post game press conference On X win over Creighton. Very complimentary toward Creighton and The Fans at X
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Article/sean-miller-postgame-press-conference-creighton-bluejays-202751247/Amp/
Creighton has to regroup quickly for Cooley & Company
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creightons-fierce-rally-in-final-seconds-falls-short-in-loss-to-no-12-xavier/article_624eb932-91bf-11ed-9ef3-4b6e0afd70fd.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 12, 2023, 11:54:28 AM
Creighton has to regroup quickly for Cooley & Company
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creightons-fierce-rally-in-final-seconds-falls-short-in-loss-to-no-12-xavier/article_624eb932-91bf-11ed-9ef3-4b6e0afd70fd.html
The game is in Omaha, so I'm expecting a Creighton win.
Sam Vecenie has 5 Big East Players in his mock draft.
4. Cam Whitmore (NOVA)
22. Jordan Hawkins (UCONN)
23. Colby Jones (XAVIER)
35. Andre Jackson (UCONN)
45. Bryce Hopkins (PROVIDENCE)
Weird, no post-game article on ESPN or anything about the win over #6 ranked UCONN
I'll share the New Haven Register article tomorrow. MU82 can probably answer the newspaper question better why the post-game write-up is not in the next days paper.
Its probably on the online version, but I haven't had time to look today.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 12, 2023, 07:33:51 PM
I'll share the New Haven Register article tomorrow. MU82 can probably answer the newspaper question better why the post-game write-up is not in the next days paper.
Its probably on the online version, but I haven't had time to look today.
I took a quick look and I have no idea why ESPN.com didn't at least run the AP article on the game.
I mean, ESPN led its 11 p.m. Sportscenter last night with a fairly lengthy recap, and the Kam-Oso alley-dunk was #7 on top plays, so it's not as if the company was ignoring it. Weird.
BYU up by 4 over the Zags with 2 minutes left.
ETA: Sorry, I accidentally picked the wrong thread to post this.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 12, 2023, 10:25:44 PM
BYU up by 4 over the Zags with 2 minutes left.
ETA: Sorry, I accidentally picked the wrong thread to post this.
Zags to Big East
UConn fans take a crack at ranking BE coaching performance this season
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/ranking-the-big-east-coaches-thru-1-11.186917/
Quote from: Carl on January 13, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
UConn fans take a crack at ranking BE coaching performance this season
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/ranking-the-big-east-coaches-thru-1-11.186917/
Rakasan makes a fair point; but as Goose says this team looks like it can get over the hump and shed that late season albatross off our neck. We know we're not going to win every game from here on out. I am sure most here would be surprised if we did, but the real test of character is how we bounce back from a loss.
Butler up in first half over Wildcats . Home game for Bulldogs.
Butler up 10 at half
Bates injured?
Nova with 8-0 run to start second half . Playing Nova style and getting lots of wide open looks
Some what off and on topic. At MSG tonight for Billy Joel and getting into the building is a disaster with the Penn Station construction. Just a heads-up for the Big East Tournament.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 13, 2023, 07:07:50 PM
Nova with 8-0 run to start second half . Playing Nova style and getting lots of wide open looks
Close game, just like the ones MU needs
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 13, 2023, 07:07:50 PM
Nova with 8-0 run to start second half . Playing Nova style and getting lots of wide open looks
Nova is getting very close to toast Herman.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 13, 2023, 07:45:35 PM
Nova is getting very close to toast Herman.
Would be good for the BE
Tough game butler nova. Dang. Thought Nova was going to get it. Still a little time left
How does NovaScoop feel about Kyle Neptune?
Midway through his first season having never had a healthy squad.
Butler seems to beat Nova quite often in recent years
Nova fans must want to send Neptune to Uranus
Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2023, 08:10:21 PM
Midway through his first season having never had a healthy squad.
Go easy on the excuses he's not our coach
I feel bad for Neptune. They lost a ton, and haven't been at full strength. A really tough spot to start off from.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on January 13, 2023, 08:00:04 PM
How does NovaScoop feel about Kyle Neptune?
Fire Neptune, Jay's fault. Sums it up.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 13, 2023, 07:23:33 PM
Some what off and on topic. At MSG tonight for Billy Joel and getting into the building is a disaster with the Penn Station construction. Just a heads-up for the Big East Tournament.
Went to the Rangers game Tuesday night. Getting out was even more atrocious.
Nova has plenty of talented players . 4 guys averaging double digits . Their coach hasn't put them together in a cohesive way and they have a losing record .
Butler does not have many talented players and yet Matta has figured out how to coax out a winning record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZk4MRX62Gs
Some good MU and BE talk at 34 min.
Very complimentary of us to this point.
And I agree with Dauster, IF the top 4 can all make the BET semis, that will be the best conference tournament final 4 out there. Could probably just swap in Creighton as well but hopefully not for us.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 14, 2023, 12:01:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZk4MRX62Gs
Some good MU and BE talk at 34 min.
Very complimentary of us to this point.
And I agree with Dauster, IF the top 4 can all make the BET semis, that will be the best conference tournament final 4 out there. Could probably just swap in Creighton as well but hopefully not for us.
"The thing that is scary, the thing that should have every other program in the Big East $hitting their pants just a little bit, is this entire group can stay together for 3 more years if they wanted."
-Dauster regarding Marquette
I laughed at it because it's true.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 14, 2023, 12:27:50 AM
"The thing that is scary, the thing that should have every other program in the Big East $hitting their pants just a little bit, is this entire group can stay together for 3 more years if they wanted."
-Dauster regarding Marquette
I laughed at it because it's true.
Is that really true?
Or is it two more years after this year?
I know remaining eligibility is confusing now because of the COVID year addition and possible injury redshirts, but would players like last year's freshmen (Kam Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin) have 3 more years of eligibility after this season?
I also wonder whether the transfers who are now playing their third seasons also have a COVID year option.
What is the maximum eligibility remaining for each of the players in this year's rotation?
Quote from: wisblue on January 14, 2023, 05:44:38 AM
Is that really true?
Or is it two more years after this year?
I know remaining eligibility is confusing now because of the COVID year addition and possible injury redshirts, but would players like last year's freshmen (Kam Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin) have 3 more years of eligibility after this season?
I also wonder whether the transfers who are now playing their third seasons also have a COVID year option.
What is the maximum eligibility remaining for each of the players in this year's rotation?
I doubt most will stay, most if not all will probably have graduated and will look to play pro at some level. Shaka has been recruiting expecting departures, although that is what coaches do.
Quote from: wisblue on January 14, 2023, 05:44:38 AM
Is that really true?
Or is it two more years after this year?
I know remaining eligibility is confusing now because of the COVID year addition and possible injury redshirts, but would players like last year's freshmen (Kam Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin) have 3 more years of eligibility after this season?
I also wonder whether the transfers who are now playing their third seasons also have a COVID year option.
What is the maximum eligibility remaining for each of the players in this year's rotation?
All our players except the freshman have 2 more years of eligibility. Not sure about EE and Itjere.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 14, 2023, 07:05:02 AM
I doubt most will stay, most if not all will probably have graduated and will look to play pro at some level. Shaka has been recruiting expecting departures, although that is what coaches do.
I realize that, but I am wondering what the actual eligibility status of each of MU's current rotation players is, especially the 3 players (Prosper, Oso, and Kolek) who are playing their third seasons.
Quote from: wisblue on January 14, 2023, 07:18:54 AM
I realize that, but I am wondering what the actual eligibility status of each of MU's current rotation players is, especially the 3 players (Prosper, Oso, and Kolek) who are playing their third seasons.
Prosper, Oso, and Kolek are eligible to play two more seasons after this one.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 14, 2023, 07:16:19 AM
All our players except the freshman have 2 more years of eligibility. Not sure about EE and Itjere.
Ellis and Itejere have 3 more years eligibility at the moment. If Ellis were to play this year, it would drop to 2.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 14, 2023, 07:45:32 AM
Ellis and Itejere have 3 more years eligibility at the moment. If Ellis were to play this year, it would drop to 2.
Has Ellis officially redshirted, or do you not have to declare that, just not enter a game?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 14, 2023, 07:54:51 AM
Has Ellis officially redshirted, or do you not have to declare that, just not enter a game?
Jay bee on line 1.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 14, 2023, 07:24:29 AM
Prosper, Oso, and Kolek are eligible to play two more seasons after this one.
In other words, they can't "stay together for 3 more years if they wanted."
And they wouldn't want to even if they could.
I'll be thrilled if Oso and O-Max are still here next season. For now, I'm enjoying the hell out of this one.
What a bunch of hacks DePaul and Seton Hall are.
DePaul/Hall with a must see finish? Who would have thought.
Good that Hall pulled that out.
Need them to be a Q1 road game for us.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 14, 2023, 01:16:26 PM
Good that Hall pulled that out.
Need them to be a Q1 road game for us.
Do we want Creighton in this next game?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 14, 2023, 01:19:56 PM
Do we want Creighton in this next game?
That's who I'm pulling for without question. MU has a chance to be in position for a conference championship so any loss by the top teams is beneficial.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 14, 2023, 01:19:56 PM
Do we want Creighton in this next game?
I kind of want CU to win. It would be good to essentially bury them and have PC come to town ranked near 15.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 14, 2023, 01:19:56 PM
Do we want Creighton in this next game?
1000%
Prov needs L's
And we already beat Creighton at home so keep them a Q1. Prov has other chances to move into top 30 later.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 14, 2023, 01:21:49 PM
That's who I'm pulling for without question. MU has a chance to be in position for a conference championship so any loss by the top teams is beneficial.
Fair enough.
Cooley doesn't get the home whistle; immediately gets a tech.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 14, 2023, 07:54:51 AM
Has Ellis officially redshirted, or do you not have to declare that, just not enter a game?
Even if they declared he was redshirting, he could come in at any time and burn the eligibility. Until the season ends, it's not officially official.
Watching this one, I can't believe how quickly I went from a "PC is OK' guy to despising them thoroughly. They are borderline thugs and inveterate floppers. Plus, Driscoll is on the job today and we've (unfortunately) seen his act before. It was sweet to see Cooley T'd up. I hope the Bluejays run their ragged asses out of the gym. Obviously still pissed about 12/20.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 14, 2023, 02:18:02 PM
Watching this one, I can't believe how quickly I went from a "PC is OK' guy to despising them thoroughly. They are borderline thugs and inveterate floppers. Plus, Driscoll is on the job today and we've (unfortunately) seen his act before. It was sweet to see Cooley T'd up. I hope the Bluejays run their ragged asses out of the gym. Obviously still pissed about 12/20.
?-(
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 14, 2023, 02:18:02 PM
Watching this one, I can't believe how quickly I went from a "PC is OK' guy to despising them thoroughly. They are borderline thugs and inveterate floppers. Plus, Driscoll is on the job today and we've (unfortunately) seen his act before. It was sweet to see Cooley T'd up. I hope the Bluejays run their ragged asses out of the gym. Obviously still pissed about 12/20.
"Borderline thugs?" 😬😬😬
I don't really dislike the Friars S a team, but their fans are obnoxious and think they're better than they are. I definitely don't want to see them repeat.
If they repeat, then their fans are right.
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
If they repeat, then their fans are right.
That's not what Ellenson is saying and his point is well taken.
Providence fans can be obnoxious. No argument.
The Hall escapes WinTrust with a win over The Blue Demons.
Providence players borderline crying after every foul called against them. Wonder how they'd react if they had 4 guys fouls out and the opponent shot 49 free throws in a game?
F*ck 'em.
Providence with only 12 FT's right now in Omaha.
I feel really bad for Cooley that he's not getting every call in this game. It's a rotten shame!
Quote from: MU82 on January 14, 2023, 02:57:03 PM
I feel really bad for Cooley that he's not getting every call in this game. It's a rotten shame!
He has not looked happy about it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 14, 2023, 02:58:09 PM
He has not looked happy about it.
It's heartbreaking.
Now that was a charge. Clearly
Good job Creighton!
That makes it official...winner of tomorrow's game between Marquette and Xavier is alone at the top of the Big East standings.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 02:23:00 PM
"Borderline thugs?" 😬😬😬
Made me laugh, Sultan. OK, I take undeserved, totally one-sided (officiating), stolen losses hard. But you're right.
All good. I think they are just a tough, physical team. Always have been under Cooley. That's just their identity.
McDermott beats his good friend Cooley. Nice to see the Blue Jays get another quality win. Want to see a 5th strong team in The Big East
Looking forward to our rematch with Cooley & Company next week. Should be a spirited battle.
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
If they repeat, then their fans are right.
The crap talking should wait until they repeat, then I'd have no argument. But PC fans act like they've been Villanova when last year was their first S16 since the 90s.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 14, 2023, 03:50:12 PM
The crap talking should wait until they repeat, then I'd have no argument. But PC fans act like they've been Villanova when last year was their first S16 since the 90s.
Exactly.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 14, 2023, 03:50:12 PM
The crap talking should wait until they repeat, then I'd have no argument. But PC fans act like they've been Villanova when last year was their first S16 since the 90s.
Yep. The Great Ed Cooley had teams with multiple NBA players fail to get out of the first weekend. One such team lost twice to the Flyin' Ellensons.
Cooley's a good coach. But the idea that he's some kind of genius is funny. I mean, he went 7-7 against The Worst Coach In Basketball History.
Oh, and I guess today's game doesn't count as a "close loss" for him because his team fell by 6.
It is a positive for The Big East for teams to have energetic fan bases. An energized Providence and U Conn fan base make the victories over these teams that much sweeter.
It really is crazy how obnoxious many PC fans are when you look at their programs history. Totally insignificant but you would never know by the way they act.
By far the worst of the conference. X a distant second.
Quote from: Tha Hound on January 14, 2023, 08:20:46 PM
It really is crazy how obnoxious many PC fans are when you look at their programs history. Totally insignificant but you would never know by the way they act.
By far the worst of the conference. X a distant second.
Everyone seems cool compared to Syracuse fans.
Must be an east coast thing
St. John's blowing UCONN out of their own building.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 15, 2023, 01:11:01 PM
St. John's blowing UCONN out of their own building.
And Sanogo just got tossed. UConn is completely broken.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 15, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
And Sanogo just got tossed. UConn is completely broken.
Now Curbelo tossed. What a mess.
Johnnie win somewhat sullies our win over U Conn. Although it is a zero sum game in conference as we beat The Johnnies.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 15, 2023, 01:11:01 PM
St. John's blowing UCONN out of their own building.
HuskyScoop at DEFCON 5
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 15, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
HuskyScoop at DEFCON 5
I'm guessing it's lower than that after what happened today.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
I'm guessing it's lower than that after what happened today.
Yeah, I guess he doesn't understand how DEFCON works ;D
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 15, 2023, 05:15:24 PM
Yeah, I guess he doesn't understand how DEFCON works ;D
OK then, they're at DEFCON -2.
See, totally know how it works.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 15, 2023, 06:48:06 PM
OK then, they're at DEFCON -2.
See, totally know how it works.
There you go, but nuclear weapons used.
Georgetown trying to end its long conference losing streak.
Hoyas lead Nova by 3 with 7:30 to play.
Turned on the Georgetown/Villanova game and it looks like Georgetown is wearing Nova's uniforms.
The officials have taken over this game for Nova, wow this is bad.
Ball clear as day goes off of Nova and they give them the ball back. Georgetown doesn't handle adversity well (obviously) and they aren't getting any help.
I'm guessing barely scratching out a 4-point home win against GU doesn't cool the fires under Neptune's seat.
As long as Georgetown plays pick-up ball late in games, it's the same outcome.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 16, 2023, 02:00:44 PM
I'm guessing barely scratching out a 4-point home win against GU doesn't cool the fires under Neptune's seat.
Is he on the hot seat?
Could he be fired after the season if it continues like this, or is it assumed he gets at least another year or two to build his program?
I do not know enough about Nova's administration and boosters to know the answers to those questions.
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Is he on the hot seat? Could he be fired after the season if it continues like this, or is it assumed he gets at least another year or two to build his program?
No and no. Villanova had a total of five coaches from 1936 to 2022. Steve Lappas, at nine seasons, was the shortest tenured of that bunch, so you give Neptune time.
Thank you for a different perspective.
The big questions for Nova are when or if Justin Moore will return from his ACL that was suffered in last years elite 8
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Is he on the hot seat?
From the fans, which as we know frequently doesn't align with the administration. The fans are ready to tie his chair to stake and set it all on fire.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 16, 2023, 06:03:50 PM
From the fans, which as we know frequently doesn't align with the administration. The fans are ready to tie his chair to stake and set it all on fire.
They think he's a witch?
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 06:32:46 PM
They think he's a witch?
They have no doubt he has put a curse on Nova, but also apparently Arcidiacono has some pact with the devil the forces Neptune to play him.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 16, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
They have no doubt he has put a curse on Nova, but also apparently Arcidiacono has some pact with the devil the forces Neptune to play him.
Maybe he actually thinks he's playing Ryan.
Creighton in a Dog Fight with Butler at Hinkle.
With Manny Bates OUT due to a knee injury, Butler is doing an awesome job on Kalkbrenner with almost no size.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 06:37:10 PM
With Manny Bates OUT due to a knee injury, Butler is doing an awesome job on Kalkbrenner with almost no size.
Lukosius adds a lot of value for Butler.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Lukosius adds a lot of value for Butler.
His shooting form and playstyle looks just like Luka Doncic. Only difference is Luka is about 1,000,000× better.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2023, 06:36:50 PM
Creighton in a Dog Fight with Butler at Hinkle.
Butler's Bulldog lost the fight to a blue jay.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 07:05:22 PM
His shooting form and playstyle looks just like Luka Doncic. Only difference is Luka is about 1,000,000× better.
They should just call him Lukosic
Marquette -6 seems steep. I'm hoping it's reminiscent of Baylor and/or Providence last year but know something similar to a few weeks ago is probably more likely.
Bynum and Hopkins listed as Game Time Decisions tomorrow.
Laughing out loud at that. Idk about Bynum but there is no way Hopkins sits.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 09:33:35 PM
Marquette -6 seems steep. I'm hoping it's reminiscent of Baylor and/or Providence last year but know something similar to a few weeks ago is probably more likely.
Now at 7.5. Maybe the sharps know something?
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on January 17, 2023, 11:04:16 PM
Now at 7.5. Maybe the sharps know something?
Hopkins and Bynum are questionable. No way Hopkins sits, not sure on Bynum.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 11:43:09 PM
Hopkins and Bynum are questionable. No way Hopkins sits, not sure on Bynum.
Why no way that Hopkins sits? Do you know the extent of his injuries? Kid has legitimate draft aspirations, would be terrible if they vanished because he tried to play through an injury.
Uconn withouth Hurley and the associate coach today
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 10:52:26 AM
Uconn withouth Hurley and the associate coach today
Covid. Wonder how the team is doing in that regard?
https://www.nj.com/sports/2023/01/uconns-dan-hurley-to-miss-nj-homecoming-vs-seton-hall.html
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 17, 2023, 08:10:00 PM
Butler's Bulldog lost the fight to a blue jay.
This was good for us. Unless it was bad for us.
Need a Root For This Result scorecard.
This Seton Hall comeback on UConn is electric
Uconn on a epic drought where they couldnt score if their families lives depended on it.
SHU crowd absolutely rocking.
Holloway decides to get a T. Not ideal for momentum.
UCONN is not looking good at all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 18, 2023, 07:02:37 PM
UCONN is not looking good at all.
They had a 17 point lead, whittled down to 1. Absolute meltdown.
Edit: Maybe 15. Same sentiment
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 18, 2023, 07:04:23 PM
They had a 17 point lead, whittled down to 1. Absolute meltdown.
Edit: Maybe 15. Same sentiment
Highest I saw was 17
14 at half.
Sanogo missing the zero footer.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 06:59:01 PM
Uconn on an epic drought where they couldnt score if their families lives depended on it
I don't know. I would think trying to make a shot to save your families lives would be a lot more pressure than to win a stupid game. ;D
And that UConn win looks worse and worse with each passing day.
Surprised Hall could win, given that it was a trap game for them.
UConn has no idea how to win on the road right now.
Uconn a total mess right now.
Biffed so many bunnies. Not ready for the blatantly short board
SHU def gonna be a Q1 game on Saturday now. And they have a chance to really get in the NCAA convo with a W over us now.
That was a complete meltdown.
The Big East is flat-out awful.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 18, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
And that UConn win looks worse and worse with each passing day.
Top 20 teams don't really worry about any one win looking worse.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 18, 2023, 07:41:44 PM
The Big East is flat-out awful.
Or is it just way better than people thought?
Marquette hung with Purdue and routed Baylor.
UConn has really good wins.
Creighton has some good wins.
Xavier has good wins.
Seton Hall has beaten UConn and won at Rutgers.
Butler beat Kansas State.
Providence is much better than anticipated.
Tremendous comeback for The Hall. Big East getting more treacherous each day.
🤦🏼♂️
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2023, 07:44:37 PM
Tremendous comeback for The Hall. Big East getting more treacherous each day.
UConn is a perfect example of why every game is a must win game. You never know when the wheels are going to fall off.
I was in sell mode on UConn a couple weeks ago but boy oh boy. What a terrible loss to a bad seton hall team.
A B1G fan talking about how bad the Big East is. That's cute.
Quote from: panda on January 18, 2023, 07:50:09 PM
I was in sell mode on UConn a couple weeks ago but boy oh boy. What a terrible loss to a bad seton hall team.
This Hall team is not bad.
They go through crazy stretches of totally inept offense. But they can really defend and they are tough.They are a legit middle of pack power 6 type of team. Flawed with also a clear strength that can see them get hot if the flaws improve a bit.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 18, 2023, 07:52:46 PM
A B1G fan talking about how bad the Big East is. That's cute.
It's either that or discuss the scintillating offense of the bagders.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
This Hall team is not bad.
They go through crazy stretches of totally inept offense. But they can really defend and they are tough.They are a legit middle of pack power 6 type of team. Flawed with also a clear strength that can see them get hot if the flaws improve a bit.
I'll upgrade bad to painfully mediocre. UConn is much better than them. Bad loss for the huskies
A month ago it looked like UConn could run the table. When the wheels come off, they come off.
Quote from: panda on January 18, 2023, 07:58:44 PM
I'll upgrade bad to painfully mediocre. UConn is much better than them. Bad loss for the huskies
100% agree that Uconn should be winning a game like this. Especially with all the big chances theyve missed recently.
But Hall should def stay a Q1 game in their building. So cant sleep on em. Would be nice for our resume Saturday.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 18, 2023, 07:41:44 PM
The Big East is flat-out awful.
Get some help:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17955-micropenis
DePaul up 6 midway through the 1st against Xavier. DePaul really using their strength at the rim.
Xavier started off 7-0 over Depaul, now down 28-21
Quote from: panda on January 18, 2023, 07:50:09 PM
I was in sell mode on UConn a couple weeks ago but boy oh boy. What a terrible loss to a bad seton hall team.
Nah, Saturday will be a challenge.
I like it more after SH win tonight though
Re: NLW
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DePaul up 5 on X. That would be a shocker to say the least.
X in a dog fight against The Blue Demons
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
X in a dog fight against The Blue Demons
Are they playing tonight?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
This Hall team is not bad.
They go through crazy stretches of totally inept offense. But they can really defend and they are tough.They are a legit middle of pack power 6 type of team. Flawed with also a clear strength that can see them get hot if the flaws improve a bit.
I'd take Ndefo in a heartbeat.
DePaul's not gonna be an easy game.
Never is.
Watching X/DeP @ the half. God, Sean Miller reminds me of Jackie Gleason, especially when he's sweating.
Alright. Go heckle Fran. He said it.
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1615891021329580032?t=W6iWGPmnAwWYjK-05majXg&s=19
Let's go DePaul!!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 09:13:00 PM
Alright. Go heckle Fran. He said it.
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1615891021329580032?t=W6iWGPmnAwWYjK-05majXg&s=19
It's uncanny. You post this and Xavier comes back and takes the lead. Incredible
Of course tonite Boum and Nunge miss bunnies.
Oso picks up his 3rd after Providence gets away with a Hopkins travel.
DePaul!
Wow.
Wow... didn't see that one coming. And I was about to go X -7.5
DePaul player got away with an obvious push on the late three point play. X couldn't make anything.
X is tough. They just don't guard anyone. If shots aren't falling they could be an early tournament exit team.
DePaul tried to DePaul it up at the end by not being able to inbound the ball. Big win for them though. Maybe for us too.....
Fantastic win for DePaul.
Classic trap game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2023, 10:22:28 PM
Fantastic win for DePaul.
Is this bad for the Big East? 👀
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 18, 2023, 10:29:45 PM
Is this bad for the Big East? 👀
Was inevitable that DePaul would upset some one good. Was glad it wasn't us
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2023, 10:41:01 PM
Was inevitable that DePaul would upset some one good. Was glad it wasn't us
Well, you can't be upset by a team you haven't played. So yeah, it's good that hasn't happened.
Anyone else Stub their toe tonight?!?
Tony Stubblefield
BLUE BLUE
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2023, 11:00:36 PM
Anyone else Stub their toe tonight?!?
Tony Stubblefield
BLUE BLUE
Okay, Jon.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 18, 2023, 10:29:01 PM
Classic trap game.
Yes. Xavier was definitely look past DePaul to their big matchup with *checks notes* 5-14 Georgetown.
Colby Jones and Souley Boum at the Wintrust Arena tonight
4-26, 0-8.
Let's go now
DePaul's first game with Murphy running the point.
I think Xavier more had a mental let down game on the road after a big home win on Sunday. I worry about something similar out of our guys on Saturday.
Xavier missed a ton of layups, including one in the waning seconds as well as a tip. Miss a bunch of layups on the road and you lose.
Plus, DePaul's projected starting PG, Caleb Murphy, finally played.
Quote from: tower912 on January 19, 2023, 08:07:17 AM
Xavier missed a ton of layups, including one in the waning seconds as well as a tip. Miss a bunch of layups on the road and you lose.
Souley Boum finished 1 for 12 and a season low four points. A team which averages almost 40 percent from three point range shot 4 for 20.
Expect Xavier to take it out on their next opponent Saturday at home and restate their case as the best team in the league. Who is their opponent? Georgetown.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 19, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
Souley Boum finished 1 for 12 and a season low four points. A team which averages almost 40 percent from three point range shot 4 for 20.
Expect Xavier to take it out on their next opponent Saturday at home and restate their case as the best team in the league. Who is their opponent? Georgetown.
Xavier is gonna have the easiest conference SOS in the league after this Saturday. Which makes sense when you're a good team, but Providence is 1st, Marquette is 3rd, and Creighton is 4th.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 19, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
Souley Boum finished 1 for 12 and a season low four points. A team which averages almost 40 percent from three point range shot 4 for 20.
Expect Xavier to take it out on their next opponent Saturday at home and restate their case as the best team in the league. Who is their opponent? Georgetown.
Well, it's a dirty job, but
someone's got to do it. ;D
Seriously, despite the odds against it, I really hope your guys finally play an entire game and shock Xavier with an upset on their home court. And forgive me for admitting that I will
not take the spread and bet on Georgetown, OK?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2023, 08:02:38 AM
I think Xavier more had a mental let down game on the road after a big home win on Sunday. I worry about something similar out of our guys on Saturday.
Yeah, but Hall is also coming off a big home win so let's have a letdown-off and see what happens.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 19, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
Souley Boum finished 1 for 12 and a season low four points. A team which averages almost 40 percent from three point range shot 4 for 20.
Expect Xavier to take it out on their next opponent Saturday at home and restate their case as the best team in the league. Who is their opponent? Georgetown.
Clearly it was a trap game because X was looking forward to its Showdown with G-Town!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2023, 08:02:38 AM
I think Xavier more had a mental let down game on the road after a big home win on Sunday. I worry about something similar out of our guys on Saturday.
The combination of SHU beating UConn and no game for a week should help them stay focused. We could certainly still lose, but I don't think they'll overlook the Hall.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2023, 08:02:38 AM
I think Xavier more had a mental let down game on the road after a big home win on Sunday. I worry about something similar out of our guys on Saturday.
Given Hall's recent success, I suspect MU will be expecting more fight out of them than X was expecting from DePaul.
It's a loss, folks
Quote from: TSmith34, No'er of Bawl on January 19, 2023, 09:42:23 AM
Given Hall's recent success, I suspect MU will be expecting more fight out of them than X was expecting from DePaul.
It has taken a while, but I think Holloway has gotten his team where he wants them. After watching his highly disciplined St. Peter's team take down UK and Purdue, I doubt that BE opponents' coaches will fail to take him seriously. Especially after last night. I'm expecting a really tough game. Last night's show in their second half was really impressive.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 18, 2023, 08:27:44 PM
Re: NLW
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Exactly
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 19, 2023, 09:31:04 AM
The combination of SHU beating UConn and no game for a week should help them stay focused. We could certainly still lose, but I don't think they'll overlook the Hall.
Agreed....Shaka mentioned this post game with Homer. @SH is the last game before a well deserved week off between games.
Shaka will have them focused.....but could still lose.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 19, 2023, 07:26:24 PM
Agreed....Shaka mentioned this post game with Homer. @SH is the last game before a well deserved week off between games.
Shaka will have them focused.....but could still lose.
If I remember correctly, Seton Hall doesn't do a great job of taking care of the ball, so this would be a good game to ratchet up the pressure.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2023, 08:02:38 AM
I think Xavier more had a mental let down game on the road after a big home win on Sunday. I worry about something similar out of our guys on Saturday.
Beware the Reverse Trap!
Quote from: MU82 on January 19, 2023, 09:48:05 PM
Beware the Reverse Trap!
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Beware the nostalgia trap! Where the team thinks of a game that happened sometime in the past and then loses focus on this game!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 20, 2023, 06:24:25 AM
Beware the nostalgia trap! Where the team thinks of a game that happened sometime in the past and then loses focus on this game!
Like if MU played Dayton.
And of course they should always beware of the Escape Trap which happens when a team loses to a quality opponent because they were looking back to the previous game against a substandard opponent and thinking about how relieved they were that they didn't fall victim to the Trap Game.
This is also sometimes referred to as losing a game to a quality opponent.
Al McGuire seemed to have a pretty good understanding of the psychology behind trap games:
"Kids get ready for big games. It's the easy ones you have to worry about."
https://www.facebook.com/100042580727207/posts/pfbid0iFSKdorYsY7J4ptTiAggfmNrV3JVCX8AdhyuSnzRj59SrBnRcAigPSuzEQAaAyHyl/?app=fbl (https://www.facebook.com/100042580727207/posts/pfbid0iFSKdorYsY7J4ptTiAggfmNrV3JVCX8AdhyuSnzRj59SrBnRcAigPSuzEQAaAyHyl/?app=fbl)
Anyone see DePaul fans stormed the court after X? I know they've been down and out but seriously an 8th ranked team warrants a court storming? Top 3 maybe, only no 1 for sure and you can't be ranked
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
Anyone see DePaul fans stormed the court after X? I know they've been down and out but seriously an 8th ranked team warrants a court storming? Top 3 maybe, only no 1 for sure and you can't be ranked
Ehh, if DePaul actually had enough fans there to storm, I say good for them. When was the last time they beat a top 10 team?
Really the only time I have a problem when fans storm is when you're already ranked. KSU stormed when they were ranked 13th. I kinda understand, big in state rivalry against the no. 2 team, but act like you've been there before. Everyone knows that DePaul hasn't been there before.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
Anyone see DePaul fans stormed the court after X? I know they've been down and out but seriously an 8th ranked team warrants a court storming? Top 3 maybe, only no 1 for sure and you can't be ranked
In 1989, we stormed the court after beating a 1-2 Notre Dame team. When you're down and out, it's amazing what you'll do.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 20, 2023, 02:26:09 PM
In 1989, we stormed the court after beating a 1-2 Notre Dame team. When you're down and out, it's amazing what you'll do.
1989 - ah, the dark years of the Dukiet era. 😳
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2023, 02:52:13 PM
1989 - ah, the dark years of the Dukiet era. 😳
At least we had
The Greentree to forget about the play on the court in the Dukiet era.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 20, 2023, 02:54:29 PM
At least we had The Greentree to forget about the play on the court in the Dukiet era.
Lots of great dive bars there back in the day.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2023, 02:57:59 PM
Lots of great dive bars there back in the day.
Those weren't dive bars. Those were home. I enjoyed the Ardmore (import night), the Gym, O'Donohue's, Hegarty's, O'Pagets. (so many pool tables)
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Those weren't dive bars. Those were home. I enjoyed the Ardmore (import night), the Gym, O'Donohue's, Hegarty's, O'Pagets. (so many pool tables)
All great spots, along with the 'Lanche'.
Ive always wondered why people opine on when another fan base storms the court.
Who gives a sheet?
KSU has played second fiddle to KU for a hundred years.......If I were the AD at DePaul I would absolutely welcome a court storming ......kids want to storm the court?
I say have at it!
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 20, 2023, 03:12:59 PM
Ive always wondered why people opine on when another fan base storms the court.
Who gives a sheet?
KSU has played second fiddle to KU for a hundred years.......If I were the AD at DePaul I would absolutely welcome a court storming ......kids want to storm the court?
I say have at it!
Would beating no. 6 UConn warrant a court storming? Wouldn't you rather have the collective attitude that you expected to win and therefore making a huge deal of the fact by storming the court, unnecessary?
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Those weren't dive bars. Those were home. I enjoyed the Ardmore (import night), the Gym, O'Donohue's, Hegarty's, O'Pagets. (so many pool tables)
+ a million!
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Those weren't dive bars. Those were home. I enjoyed the Ardmore (import night), the Gym, O'Donohue's, Hegarty's, O'Pagets. (so many pool tables)
Yes. Murphy's Law, and One cannot forget the VFW attached to West Hall.
I swear that Murphy's was Grunts at one time, but I am not sure when the switch was or which way it went.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 20, 2023, 03:59:02 PM
Yes. Murphy's Law, and One cannot forget the VFW attached to West Hall.
Most definitely. And the State House and the Glocc.
Friends from other colleges would come to visit for the weekend (80's)
Are we going to any frat parties?
Me: (Belly laugh) Nah, we'll be fine.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 20, 2023, 03:12:59 PM
Ive always wondered why people opine on when another fan base storms the court.
Who gives a sheet?
KSU has played second fiddle to KU for a hundred years.......If I were the AD at DePaul I would absolutely welcome a court storming ......kids want to storm the court?
I say have at it!
Facts
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 20, 2023, 03:19:04 PM
Would beating no. 6 UConn warrant a court storming? Wouldn't you rather have the collective attitude that you expected to win and therefore making a huge deal of the fact by storming the court, unnecessary?
I would rather people do what they want. It's just sports.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
I would rather people do what they want. It's just sports.
Right? Go nuts.
If MU locks up a league title on Senior Day I'd be all for a good court storm
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
I would rather people do what they want. It's just sports.
Go for it I guess, but if KSU wants to lose the little brother syndrome that their fans get so upset that people associate with them in relation to Kansas, they shouldn't storm when they're a top 15 team.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
I would rather people do what they want. It's just sports.
IT'S JUST SPORTSScoop has posters mad about announcers 24/7
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 20, 2023, 03:19:04 PM
Would beating no. 6 UConn warrant a court storming? Wouldn't you rather have the collective attitude that you expected to win and therefore making a huge deal of the fact by storming the court, unnecessary?
If the students want to rush the court....so be it.
If you read my post, I was talking about scoopers opining about OTHER teams rushing the court.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 20, 2023, 04:42:53 PM
If the students want to rush the court....so be it.
If you read my post, I was talking about scoopers opining about OTHER teams rushing the court.
I read your post, you specifically mention a top 15 team that felt like they needed to storm. That just screams little brother syndrome, which their fans gets upset when you bring up. Can't have it both ways.
Nova and The Johnnies tied at half at The Garden.
I think thats the end of any chance for the Johnnies to be a Q1 road game.
Curbelo is absolutely rancid. Its mind boggling that hes on a second high major. And even more insane he plays in crunch time.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2023, 08:05:24 PM
Curbelo is absolutely rancid. Its mind boggling that hes on a second high major. And even more insane he plays in crunch time.
You watch Kolek and he takes great risks passing but he knows when to. Then you have Curbelo who has to be one of the most over confident passers in the BE, which = turnovers
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 20, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
You watch Kolek and he takes great risks passing but he knows when to. Then you have Curbelo who has to be one of the most over confident passers in the BE, which = turnovers
Hes bad at everything. Dumb passes. Travels when he forgets to dribble. Over dribbles. Drives out of control. SJU fans are full tilt.
I firmly believe that adding Curbelo is the main reason Posh has been terrible this year too
Solid much needed win for Nova. The Johnnies just don't seem to have any consistency or discipline.
Billy Hoyle has been quiet lately. He hasn't updated us on St. John's
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Those weren't dive bars. Those were home. I enjoyed the Ardmore (import night), the Gym, O'Donohue's, Hegarty's, O'Pagets. (so many pool tables)
I lived above O'Pagets '82 & '83
It's still crazy early but MU is in play for #2 seed.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 20, 2023, 04:50:42 PM
I read your post, you specifically mention a top 15 team that felt like they needed to storm. That just screams little brother syndrome, which their fans gets upset when you bring up. Can't have it both ways.
This really seems to bother you. I say more power to them and who gives a sheet
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 20, 2023, 10:01:11 PM
This really seems to bother you. I say more power to them and who gives a sheet
Not really. You make the implication that all court stormings are fine. I ask you about a specific instance that may warrant a court storming, you dodge the question. Kinda tells me all I need to know.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2023, 09:47:26 PM
I lived above O'Pagets '82 & '83
ThIs name does not logically make sense. Pager is essentially Paige but it's an englasized version. The addition of the O' would indicate in Gaelic that you were "of the line of paget" but it doesn't make sense that you'd just put a gaelic ancestral term on an englasized word. Honestly seems like a typical cheap run at an Irish pub to make money.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 01:35:29 AM
ThIs name does not logically make sense. Pager is essentially Paige but it's an englasized version. The addition of the O' would indicate in Gaelic that you were "of the line of paget" but it doesn't make sense that you'd just put a gaelic ancestral term on an englasized word. Honestly seems like a typical cheap run at an Irish pub to make money.
Chris O'Toole on Line 1.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 01:35:29 AM
ThIs name does not logically make sense. Pager is essentially Paige but it's an englasized version. The addition of the O' would indicate in Gaelic that you were "of the line of paget" but it doesn't make sense that you'd just put a gaelic ancestral term on an englasized word. Honestly seems like a typical cheap run at an Irish pub to make money.
englasized or anglicized Galway?
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
Friends from other colleges would come to visit for the weekend (80's)
Are we going to any frat parties?
Me: (Belly laugh) Nah, we'll be fine.
Forgive me if I typed on Scoop before.
My brother was MU '93. I was back in Connecticut working. Two friends of ours had spring break the week after Marquette. One was at UConn and the other went to Bryant College. The three of us flew out to Milwaukee for a long weekend to hang with my brother. It was a typical Marquette weekend on campus and they had a blast. (It included a Pabst and Lakefront Brewery tour when the operation was still in their garage.).
Their respective school friends questioned why Milwaukee instead of Florida or wherever and they always responded with "Sounds like I had a much funner time then you did."
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 08:47:31 AM
Tomato toemahto
I don't think I've ever heard or read englasized.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 21, 2023, 09:11:00 AM
I don't think I've ever heard or read englasized.
Me neither tbh, don't scoop after a poker night.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 09:19:34 AM
Me neither tbh, don't scoop after a poker night.
LOL! If you haven't seen Bashees of I it's worth viewing because of the cinematography.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 01:35:29 AM
ThIs name does not logically make sense. Pager is essentially Paige but it's an englasized version. The addition of the O' would indicate in Gaelic that you were "of the line of paget" but it doesn't make sense that you'd just put a gaelic ancestral term on an englasized word. Honestly seems like a typical cheap run at an Irish pub to make money.
Oh it was, like everything in the 80's ;D
X avoids a double dip disaster and gets a solid win over The Hoyas
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2023, 01:48:26 PM
X avoids a double dip disaster and gets a solid win over The Hoyas
Terrible result for the Big East
Give credit to DePaul this year. They're scrappy and will give you a game, even on the road. I'm not looking forward to the house of horrors that Wintrust has been in recent years. Absolutely no upside to that game.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 21, 2023, 02:52:21 PM
Give credit to DePaul this year. They're scrappy and will give you a game, even on the road. I'm not looking forward to the house of horrors that Wintrust has been in recent years. Absolutely no upside to that game.
That roster is older than the Lakers'.
Neither X nor The Provi covered.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2023, 01:35:29 AM
ThIs name does not logically make sense. Pager is essentially Paige but it's an englasized version. The addition of the O' would indicate in Gaelic that you were "of the line of paget" but it doesn't make sense that you'd just put a gaelic ancestral term on an englasized word. Honestly seems like a typical cheap run at an Irish pub to make money.
Now do Cozy Mel's.
Galway- Mrs 🦵 first took advantage of me at OPs in 1983.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2023, 03:14:12 PM
Neither X nor The Provi covered.
But the best team in the Big East covered with ease.
Solid win for Cooley & Company. They needed to get back to their winning ways .
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2023, 06:50:48 PM
Solid win for Cooley & Company. They needed to get back to their winning ways .
Huge for BE
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 21, 2023, 02:52:21 PM
Give credit to DePaul this year. They're scrappy and will give you a game, even on the road. I'm not looking forward to the house of horrors that Wintrust has been in recent years. Absolutely no upside to that game.
Counterpoint: It's one we need to win to claim the Big East championship.
MU has a week to prepare for The Battle of Wintrust . Hopefully the crowd is majority MU supporters. Always nice to have a home game at the other guys arena
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2023, 07:44:36 PM
MU has a week to prepare for The Battle of Wintrust . Hopefully the crowd is majority MU supporters. Always nice to have a home game at the other guys arena
This game scares me. Biggest game of the Shaka era. Lose this one and the season could unravel
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2023, 07:45:46 PM
This game scares me. Biggest game of the Shaka era. Lose this one and the season could unravel
Haven't we lost there like 3 years in a row? Or 2 of the last 3?
We are due!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2023, 07:45:46 PM
This game scares me. Biggest game of the Shaka era. Lose this one and the season could unravel
Ha! This cracked me up.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 21, 2023, 07:46:48 PM
Haven't we lost there like 3 years in a row? Or 2 of the last 3?
We are due!
No they own MU, loss
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 21, 2023, 07:46:48 PM
Haven't we lost there like 3 years in a row? Or 2 of the last 3?
We are due!
We only lose at Depaul in even years so we're good this season
i tended bar in the 80s at the Midget and the Harp and Shamrock. Interesting, fun places.
Quote from: coffee cup on January 22, 2023, 02:36:11 AM
i tended bar in the 80s at the Midget and the Harp and Shamrock. Interesting, fun places.
Is Maurys on Prospect still around?
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2023, 06:19:52 AM
Is Maurys on Prospect still around?
Morry's closed in 1995. Might want to get out of the basement
Good PR in The Post
https://nypost.com/2023/01/21/seton-hall-ripped-by-no-20-marquette/
Bad PR for The Johnnies in The Post
https://nypost.com/2023/01/21/st-johns-should-be-better-than-this-by-now-under-mike-anderson/
UConn absolutely suffocating Butler at the moment
Huskies are top dog today versus Bulldogs
Helps MU's cause.
Butler is severely undermanned.
UConn is just trying to stay ahead of us in the polls.
Quote from: coffee cup on January 22, 2023, 02:36:11 AM
i tended bar in the 80s at the Midget and the Harp and Shamrock. Interesting, fun places.
They were my group's hangouts from 80-82. When we're you there, cc?
Quote from: coffee cup on January 22, 2023, 02:36:11 AM
i tended bar in the 80s at the Midget and the Harp and Shamrock. Interesting, fun places.
There was a bar named The Midget? WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
There was a bar named The Midget? WTF?
It was a tiny place -- maybe a dozen barstools and hardly even any area to stand. Small glasses of Schlitz for 35 cents. Owned by Frank Herald, one of the nicest men in the world and fondly known as The Senator. He died my senior year (or maybe the year after?), very sad, and his son Kelly took it over. Primary bartender was a goofy but wonderful guy named Mike Duggan, who had the most Milwaukee accent of anybody I personally knew. A few years after we graduated, the Midget burned down.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
There was a bar named The Midget? WTF?
You love it or hate it Muggsy?
I kinda enjoy it
Quote from: romey on January 22, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
UConn is just trying to stay ahead of us in the polls.
No chance.
They will be looking up at us just as they are in the standings!
Probably happy that Hurley changed their mascot too?
https://www.wissports.net/page/show/1600910-hurley-midgets (https://www.wissports.net/page/show/1600910-hurley-midgets)
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
There was a bar named The Midget? WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
There was a bar named The Midget? WTF?
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/remembering-the-midget.5334/?fbclid=IwAR2lOPLLuKZlb8X8mJtLORslbi0qdkcFbbcUD74BKXo5VIT4DYL4V-x8rik
It was no more than 10' wide if that much. A great place. Centerpiece between the bathrooms that shared a sink IIRC.
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.KCI5rb6YExWxMb05xc6y0QHaGi&pid=Api&P=0)
U Conn big win was much needed. Don't want one of our signature victories to be sullied .
In KPom, the Big East has edged into the third best conference, inching past the SEC.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 22, 2023, 12:36:37 PM
You love it or hate it Muggsy?
I kinda enjoy it
I don't mind it Dr. V. Especially if there was a max height requirement. Those Great America signs with Bugs Bunny drove me crazy. :(
Excellent Jerry Carino article on The Hall game. Very complimentary of MU
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/01/21/seton-hall-basketballs-win-streak-snapped-by-marquette-richmond-hurt/69821227007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 23, 2023, 10:10:57 AM
Excellent Jerry Carino article on The Hall game. Very complimentary of MU
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/01/21/seton-hall-basketballs-win-streak-snapped-by-marquette-richmond-hurt/69821227007/
Thanks for posting. Holloway is refreshingly candid.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 23, 2023, 10:10:57 AM
Excellent Jerry Carino article on The Hall game. Very complimentary of MU
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/01/21/seton-hall-basketballs-win-streak-snapped-by-marquette-richmond-hurt/69821227007/
Gotta love this quote tucked in the middle: "Seton Hall (12-9 overall, 5-5 Big East) has dropped four straight to Marquette (16-5, 8-2),
which looks like the favorite to win the Big East as the league schedule hits the halfway mark."
Preach, Jerry.
Kam gets BE POW
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Kam gets BE POW
Also has moved onto the KPom all conference team Top 5
https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=BE
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 23, 2023, 10:45:27 AM
Also has moved onto the KPom all conference team Top 5
https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=BE
Yet he would probably be considered the 3rd/4th most important player on the squad by most scoopers.
Therein lies the beauty of this years team
Quote from: DoctorV on January 23, 2023, 11:01:23 AM
Yet he would probably be considered the 3rd/4th most important player on the squad by most scoopers.
Therein lies the beauty of this years team
Scoop knows ball
86-90
tended bar at both 89-90 (so i guess not just the 80s but into the 90s) Bernie at H&S was Boss #1. Mike D was Boss #2 at the Midget. I believe if had talent as a writer I could make a million describing the characters there.
Wasn't the Midget around 24th and Wells?
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2023, 02:29:38 PM
Wasn't the Midget around 24th and Wells?
Exactly there. Scroll down about 2/3
https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/tom-hagerty-photos
On a Big East related note, gut says Georgetown breaks the streak tonight.
Quote from: Oldgym on January 24, 2023, 03:07:37 PM
Exactly there. Scroll down about 2/3
https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/tom-hagerty-photos
On a Big East related note, gut says Georgetown breaks the streak tonight.
No chance. DePaul will be running the "Blue!, Blue!" defense.
Quote from: Oldgym on January 24, 2023, 03:07:37 PM
On a Big East related note, gut says Georgetown breaks the streak tonight.
I think DePaul is shocked to be playing in front of a crowd smaller than theirs!
Whatever it takes. It's happening!
I can't believe people paid money to watch this game. Of course, I'm watching it on TV.... Got to get ahold of myself!!!!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 24, 2023, 06:06:53 PM
I think DePaul is shocked to be playing in front of a crowd smaller than theirs!
More people attend our local High School game.
DePaul and Hoyas battling like this a tournament game
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 24, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
More people attend our local High School game.
Lots and lots and lots of really good seats still available. 😳
This is terrible basketball. I need to go to sleep early, this will help.
I am doing colonoscopy prep tonight so not seeing much of the game . I guess DePaul is playing crappy ...
I hope the team isn't watching this game; DePaul looks atrocious. And the Georgetown administration should be embarrassed that their home arena is that dead.
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/because-you-never-cvoxlb.jpg)
Is this helping?
What ? 1,200 people at the DP v
Gtown game ?
Is it not time for BE to try and step in regarding both of these disgraceful programs ?
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
What ? 1,200 people at the DP v
Gtown game ?
Is it not time for BE to try and step in regarding both of these disgraceful programs ?
Plenty of room on the court for all of them if Georgetown pulls off a win.
Credit to Georgetown fans for refusing to spend money on this program. This attendance is crazy 😂
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 24, 2023, 07:29:43 PM
I am doing colonoscopy prep tonight so not seeing much of the game . I guess DePaul is playing crappy ...
Sounds like you are as well. Good luck, poop boi
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 24, 2023, 07:48:33 PM
Sounds like you are as well. Good luck, poop boi
The prep work sucks, but it'll be some of the best sleep you'll ever get.
U fucking suck depaul
It's happening. Georgetown is BACK.
Gtown finally gets a win
Quote from: Johnny B on January 24, 2023, 08:00:56 PM
U unnatural carnal knowledgeing suck depaul
The 275 GTown fans in attendance disagree.
Quote from: TwoWords on January 24, 2023, 08:01:17 PM
It's happening. Georgetown is BACK.
All 75 students there are going crazy!
Extension for Ewing tomorrow!
I've never seen a team/fan base more excited to beat a DePaul team at home in my life
Quote from: Johnny B on January 24, 2023, 08:05:39 PM
I've never seen a team/fan base more excited to beat a DePaul team at home in my life
Until Saturday.
Hurts Marquette bad
Hopefully Patrick gets a bonus for each win and this gets him enough money to buy a suit that fits.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 24, 2023, 08:00:56 PM
U unnatural carnal knowledgeing suck depaul
They are so pathetic. Though they will give absolute max effort on Saturday.
Georgetown is literally trying to give this game away. 😳
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2023, 08:08:01 PM
Hurts Marquette bad
No, this is a big boost to the analytics from our earlier Gtown win.
(https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/aVOSkIC.gif)
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Gtown finally gets a win
Spoke too soon... this thing isn't over. lol Dear god GT
FTs gonna matta here
Quote from: coffee cup on January 24, 2023, 02:21:44 PM
86-90
tended bar at both 89-90 (so i guess not just the 80s but into the 90s) Bernie at H&S was Boss #1. Mike D was Boss #2 at the Midget. I believe if had talent as a writer I could make a million describing the characters there.
Bernie was a piece of work. So was Doogie, for that matter.
Main bartender at Harp when we were there was Dan Fischer. For whatever reason, he loved us. We'd put a $5 bill on the bar at the beginning of the night and, many hours of drinking later, it was still there. We'd leave it as his tip. We played lots of darts, pool and Space Invaders at Harp!
Woo hoo Hoyas!!!
"The long darkness, is over"
Extend Ewing.
Not good. Not good at all. Saturday is now the biggest game of the Shaka Smart era
Ewing definitely deserves a contract extension; what an incredible coaching performance to overcome DePaul.
Trap game for DePaul.
By rule our forthcoming road win at GT is automatically a Q1 win
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2023, 08:20:00 PM
Not good. Not good at all. Saturday is now the biggest game of the Shaka Smart era
Depaul is going to be motivated and MU very rusty. Blowout loss, so begins the February fade.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2023, 08:09:47 AM
Depaul is going to be motivated and MU very rusty. Blowout loss, so begins the February fade.
Good thing it's January. The Fade begins when Dgies hits town versus Nova from his VB sun bed. Shaka is winless lifetime when the Shiny Headed One shows up in person.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2023, 08:09:47 AM
Depaul is going to be motivated and MU very rusty. Blowout loss, so begins the February fade.
DuPall only lost because it was a trap game
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2023, 08:09:47 AM
Depaul is going to be motivated and MU very rusty. Blowout loss, so begins the February fade.
I'd recommend everyone get really drunk in their basements and look at their Warriors pennant
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2023, 08:30:20 AM
I'd recommend everyone get really drunk in their basements and look at their Warriors pennant
Basement? Mine's dangling in front of my face, hanging on a string attached to a fishing rod that arches over my head, strapped to a backpack that I wear 24/7, so that I never forget what they did to our beloved nickname.
Quote from: THRILLHO on January 25, 2023, 08:38:58 AM
Basement? Mine's dangling in front of my face, hanging on a string attached to a fishing rod that arches over my head, strapped to a backpack that I wear 24/7, so that I never forget what they did to our beloved nickname.
Good. You're a real Warrior
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 25, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
Good thing it's January. The Fade begins when Dgies hits town versus Nova from his VB sun bed. Shaka is winless lifetime when the Shiny Headed One shows up in person.
At least ron will travel
Big game for both Xavier and UConn today. Xavier trying to prove the team can win on the road, UConn really trying to right the ship. Should be quite intriguing.
Quote from: zcg2013 on January 25, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
Big game for both Xavier and UConn today. Xavier trying to prove the team can win on the road, UConn really trying to right the ship. Should be quite intriguing.
UConn giving 5 and 1/2. Let's go, Huskies - this is not the time we want to get X thinking they can win on the road.
Rooting for Huskies , Blue Jays and Cooley & Company tonight
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 03:53:12 PM
Rooting for Huskies , Blue Jays and Cooley & Company tonight
So rooting for our BE regular season title path to be tougher?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 03:53:12 PM
Rooting for Huskies , Blue Jays and Cooley & Company tonight
Don't get it, Herm. Logic says UConn, Butler, and the Johnnies.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 25, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
Don't get it, Herm. Logic says UConn, Butler, and the Johnnies.
It helps the Big East
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2023, 04:09:36 PM
It helps the Big East
https://t-shirtat.com/shop/tyler-kolek-unnatural carnal knowledge-em-2022-t-shirt/
Stupid Scoop won't let me post this link lol
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 25, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
Don't get it, Herm. Logic says UConn, Butler, and the Johnnies.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 25, 2023, 04:00:01 PM
So rooting for our BE regular season title path to be tougher?
I would like to see as many teams as possible in The Big East with strong records .
Every year I listen to the interview with the NCAA selection Chairman on Selection Sunday. They all say how much they value quality wins when evaluating the respective team sheet
So since we beat Providence and they are playing a weak team I want them to win
Same thing with Creighton , don't want them having any more bad losses
We beat U Conn and they are high in NET so ideally a close win over X would be good .
I am rooting for MU to win regular season Big East title and we can do that by taking care of business in all our remaining games . Beat X at home and come out of Omaha with a win against The Blue Jays . Hopefully win a rock fight with The Huskies at XL
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
I would like to see as many teams as possible in The Big East with strong records .
Every year I listen to the interview with the NCAA selection Chairman on Selection Sunday. They all say how much they value quality wins when evaluating the respective team sheet
So since we beat Providence and they are playing a weak team I want them to win
Same thing with Creighton , don't want them having any more bad losses
We beat U Conn and they are high in NET so ideally a close win over X would be good .
I am rooting for MU to win regular season Big East title and we can do that by taking care of business in all our remaining games . Beat X at home and come out of Omaha with a win against The Blue Jays . Hopefully win a rock fight with The Huskies at XL
Yeah but heres the thing...If we win the BE it does not matter what other teams do our numbers are going to be fine. We want to win the league.
Also, SJU who we beat on the road is just shy of Q1. They beat Creighton tonight and they become a Q1. Creighton can still stay a Q1.
Providence is a Q2 home win Q1 road loss regardless. Why the heck would you want them to win? And to stay tied with us? Butler wins and they still need a lot more but they could become a Q1 road win. And at the very least stay top 100.
Its just not logical to want providence or creighton to win tonight if you are a MU fan.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2023, 04:32:14 PM
https://t-shirtat.com/shop/tyler-kolek-unnatural carnal knowledge-em-2022-t-shirt/
Stupid Scoop won't let me post this link lol
It's like I have to do everything around here...
https://t-shirtat.com/shop/tyler-kolek-f%75ck-em-2022-t-shirt/
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 25, 2023, 04:48:31 PM
Yeah but heres the thing...If we win the BE it does not matter what other teams do our numbers are going to be fine. We want to win the league.
Also, SJU who we beat on the road is just shy of Q1. They beat Creighton tonight and they become a Q1. Creighton can still stay a Q1.
Providence is a Q2 home win Q1 road loss regardless. Why the heck would you want them to win? And to stay tied with us? Butler wins and they still need a lot more but they could become a Q1 road win. And at the very least stay top 100.
Its just not logical to want providence or creighton to win tonight if you are a MU fan.
I agree we want MU to win The Big East
My confidence in St John's following through if they were to upset Creighton is very low. They could go out and keep losing . So would rather see Creighton reinforce their resume with a win than bet on Mike Anderson .
I think Cooley & Company can work it's way up to Q1 ( I may be wrong of course ) and that is the genesis of my support for them against a Butler team missing their top player for most of the rest of the season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 05:08:55 PM
I agree we want MU to win The Big East
My confidence in St John's following through if they were to upset Creighton is very low. They could go out and keep losing . So would rather see Creighton reinforce their resume with a win than bet on Mike Anderson .
I think Cooley & Company can work it's way up to Q1 ( I may be wrong of course ) and that is the genesis of my support for them against a Butler team missing their top player for most of the rest of the season.
If providence becomes Q1 we almost certainly dont win the BE
It turns out UCONN maybe wildly outperformed who they actually are through the 1st 13 games?
I don't understand how they can beat Alabama and Iowa State and lose 6 Big East games in their first 11...unless the Big East is just way better than we all thought?
But man they look terrible.
Xavier is carving UConn into little pieces.
What's going on with the Xavier logo on the FS1 scoreboard. I must be missing something...\
But also, I just found out this is one of their retired logos, lol
(https://goxavier.com/images/2015/4/7/Oldlogo-150.gif)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2023, 05:57:30 PM
It turns out UCONN maybe wildly outperformed who they actually are through the 1st 13 games?
I don't understand how they can beat Alabama and Iowa State and lose 6 Big East games in their first 11...unless the Big East is just way better than we all thought?
But man they look terrible.
I see the score......yikes. WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2023, 06:00:20 PM
I see the score......yikes. WTF?
Good grief - it's been an ass kicking so far.
Hope they get this out of their system by Feb 15
No sh*t. X is getting any shot it wants almost every time down.
Quote from: Oldgym on January 25, 2023, 06:10:14 PM
No sh*t. X is getting any shot it wants almost every time down.
They are just choosing not to guard Andre Jackson and it is working. He has 0 offensive game.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2023, 06:12:24 PM
They are just choosing not to guard Andre Jackson and it is working. He has 0 offensive game.
He should be posting up but usually settles for a three.
Didn't X lose to DePaul?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Didn't X lose to DePaul?
Stuff happens. That's why you should get high
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2023, 06:29:36 PM
Stuff happens. That's why you should get high
I think we should just play the games on paper. Bambu should be fine.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2023, 06:29:36 PM
Stuff happens. That's why you should get high
Why is ganja your answer to everything?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2023, 06:35:27 PM
Why is ganja your answer to everything?
Because it's always the right answer
UConn looks like they got high at half and are playing much better
https://www.fox19.com/2023/01/25/why-xavier-is-wearing-gold-trimmed-jerseys-tonight-against-uconn/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2023, 06:58:39 PM
UConn looks like they got high at half and are playing much better
Some quality ganja
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
https://www.fox19.com/2023/01/25/why-xavier-is-wearing-gold-trimmed-jerseys-tonight-against-uconn/
Super sad. Cute kid
Freemantle fouled out with 5 minutes left, 6 point game. UConn handed this game on a golden platter
UConn down 1. Let's go!
UConn down 4 with the ball. 3:38 left. Official timeout.
hopkins/uconn reminds me a lot of greg elliott, no?
*hawkins
I parlayed Nunge o11.5 with Kaluma o12.5 tonight. That last bucket was big in that regard, but I want UCONN to win!
MU's chances of winning the BE took a hit.
Props to Xavier for an impressive road win.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Didn't X lose to DePaul?
Demonstrating why teams (and their fans) should never take anything for granted.
Providence down 7 early to Butler at home. Trap game
Quote from: wisblue on January 25, 2023, 07:50:24 PM
MU's chances of winning the BE took a hit.
Maybe a small one, but with so many games left who knows.
I view it as Marquette needing to beat Xavier at home in order to win the conference either way. 2 losses apiece and a more favorable schedule remains in our favor. If they beat us at home they deserve it
Bynum finally back for Providence.
Quote from: Carl on January 25, 2023, 08:01:57 PM
I view it as Marquette needing to beat Xavier at home in order to win the conference either way. 2 losses apiece and a more favorable schedule remains in our favor. If they beat us at home they deserve it
Exactly.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2023, 07:56:24 PM
Providence down 7 early to Butler at home. Trap game
2 quick touchdowns and PC is up by 6.
And PC still getting the calls at home. Announcers even mentioned it.
Blue Jays and Johnnies in a scrappy game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 25, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
https://www.fox19.com/2023/01/25/why-xavier-is-wearing-gold-trimmed-jerseys-tonight-against-uconn/
Saw that - nice gesture. And it explains the jerseys, but not the logo (which still confuses me). Xavier hoops on Twitter also used the logo, so it's not like it's was a FS1 thing. Must go along with the uniform stuff, just no explanation.
Clingan only played 7 minutes? If there's ever a time to play double bigs it's against Xavier.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
Clingan only played 7 minutes? If there's ever a time to play double bigs it's against Xavier.
That's bizarre.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 25, 2023, 07:34:41 PM
hopkins/uconn reminds me a lot of greg elliott, no?
*hawkins
+1
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 25, 2023, 08:47:00 PM
Saw that - nice gesture. And it explains the jerseys, but not the logo (which still confuses me). Xavier hoops on Twitter also used the logo, so it's not like it's was a FS1 thing. Must go along with the uniform stuff, just no explanation.
The logo was also on all the coaches' shirts. Definitely not an FS1 thing.
The gap between the top 5 in the BE and the bottom 6 is on full display tonight.
Quote from: wisblue on January 25, 2023, 09:30:02 PM
The gap between the top 5 in the BE and the bottom 6 is on full display tonight.
Especially in home games.
We should not expect to get any help from the bottom 6 in games where they are the road team forsure. So we best keep winning ours against them as well.
Still 4 of those left
Top of the league showing out tonight. In the end UConn dug too big of a hole but they looked pretty impressive in the 2nd half. Can't believe there was a ball in the air to force OT after those first 20 minutes
Cooley & Company with a solid win over The Bulldogs . The Friars seem very comfortable in their home arena .
Creighton puts up 104 in a 28 point win over The Johnnies . Blue Jays starters putting up a lot of production tonight
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 25, 2023, 07:58:55 PM
Maybe a small one, but with so many games left who knows.
I think Xavier's win over UConn was a significant development that makes X the clear favorite.
Until last night none of the top 5 teams had won a home game against any of the other top 5 teams. With that win, and its home win over MU in the bank, MU has to win the rematch with X and win at UConn to keep pace.
X cracked the door open with their loss to DePaul but if they also win at Creighton on Saturday they will be throwing down the gauntlet for MU and Providence.
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2023, 05:32:42 AM
I think Xavier's win over UConn was a significant development that makes X the clear favorite.
Until last night none of the top 5 teams had won a home game against any of the other top 5 teams. With that win, and its home win over MU in the bank, MU has to win the rematch with X and win at UConn to keep pace.
X cracked the door open with their loss to DePaul but if they also win at Creighton on Saturday they will be throwing down the gauntlet for MU and Providence.
No we don't.
We have to win at DePaul where X lost
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 26, 2023, 07:02:21 AM
No we don't.
We have to win at DePaul where X lost
True. Also, there are ni guarantees UCONN will be "top 5". MU controls its own destiny. Obviously beating Xavier at home is critical in our overall quest.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 26, 2023, 07:20:49 AM
True. Also, there are ni guarantees UCONN will be "top 5". MU controls its own destiny. Obviously beating Xavier at home is critical in our overall quest.
Xavier controls its own destiny and has a leg up.
Whether UConn ends up top 5 or not does remain to be seen, but they are likely to be in the NCAA tournament, and they are going to be very hard for MU to beat on the road. They present matchup problems for MU that are much less of a problem for X with their size and experience.
I still hold on to my expectation that MU is not going to go 7-0 in their remaining games against non contenders. I can't single out where the clunker or clunkers will fall, but when you roll dice snake eyes come up occasionally like they did for Xavier at DePaul.
I'm not saying that they have wrapped up the league by any means, but the probability of them winning the conference went up significantly with last night's win.
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2023, 07:44:22 AM
Xavier controls its own destiny and has a leg up.
Whether UConn ends up top 5 or not does remain to be seen, but they are likely to be in the NCAA tournament, and they are going to be very hard for MU to beat on the road. They present matchup problems for MU that are much less of a problem for X with their size and experience.
I still hold on to my expectation that MU is not going to go 7-0 in their remaining games against non contenders. I can't single out where the clunker or clunkers will fall, but when you roll dice snake eyes come up occasionally like they did for Xavier at DePaul.
I'm not saying that they have wrapped up the league by any means, but the probability of them winning the conference went up significantly with last night's win.
Yep. Both Marquette and UCONN took it on the chin last night. Xavier is in the driver's seat for now.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 26, 2023, 08:21:15 AM
Yep. Both Marquette and UCONN took it on the chin last night. Xavier is in the driver's seat for now.
Both Marquette and Xavier have an equal chance of winning the conference outright per Torvik. X is 5-1 in conference games decided by five points or less (MU is 1-2). That's 60% of their games so far that have gone down to the wire and could have gone either way (certainly credit their experience and coaching staff but Lady Luck needs to catch up).
#believe
Interesting last 9 seconds of the X-UConn game.
X was up 3, and during a time-out Brando and Spanarkel made it a major point to say that Miller likes to foul in that situation.
But when the ball was inbounded, Miller clearly had told his guys to defend the 3-point line and NOT foul. They did a great job, and none of UConn's shooters could get a good look. When Claude bumped a non-shooting Newton with about 2 seconds left, Claude's reaction made it clear that Miller definitely did not want a foul there.
Newton made the first FT and tried to miss the second ... but ended up swishing it, much to his dismay. X was able to inbound the ball cleanly, sealing the win.
This is heretical, I know, but if MU goes 15-5 and X goes 16-4 (for example) tip your hat and look back on a really good season.
Quote from: tower912 on January 26, 2023, 08:51:12 AM
This is heretical, I know, but if MU goes 15-5 and X goes 16-4 (for example) tip your hat and look back on a really good season.
It won't matter when we beat them in the Final Four.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2023, 08:49:43 AM
Interesting last 9 seconds of the X-UConn game.
X was up 3, and during a time-out Brando and Spanarkel made it a major point to say that Miller likes to foul in that situation.
But when the ball was inbounded, Miller clearly had told his guys to defend the 3-point line and NOT foul. They did a great job, and none of UConn's shooters could get a good look. When Claude bumped a non-shooting Newton with about 2 seconds left, Claude's reaction made it clear that Miller definitely did not want a foul there.
Newton made the first FT and tried to miss the second ... but ended up swishing it, much to his dismay. X was able to inbound the ball cleanly, sealing the win.
The time out out of the last huddle was at 9 seconds and UCONN was in the double bonus. So Miller's strategy was not to foul and to defend to keep it simple (the rule, is to foul if under 5 seconds in that situation). As it was, as the announcer noted, the accidental foul was a good one as it came at 2 seconds.
Yet that debate will be ongoing as UCONN was still able to get a desperation heave off at the buzzer.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 26, 2023, 09:20:12 AM
The time out out of the last huddle was at 9 seconds and UCONN was in the double bonus. So Miller's strategy was not to foul and to defend to keep it simple (the rule, is to foul if under 5 seconds in that situation). As it was, as the announcer noted, the accidental foul was a good one as it came at 2 seconds.
Yet that debate will be ongoing as UCONN was still able to get a desperation heave off at the buzzer.
One could argue that the accidental foul wasn't a very good one, as UConn had absolutely nothing cooking. If they were able to get any shot at all off, it would have been not that much better than the desperation heave they ended up with. But yes, the accidental foul turned out OK.
One thing that seems to have emerged as a universal truth is that while plenty of coaches do not automatically foul up 3, all announcers, both PBP guys and analysts, now call for doing so. I can't remember the last analyst on a game I was watching who didn't advocate for the strategy.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 26, 2023, 09:20:12 AM
The time out out of the last huddle was at 9 seconds and UCONN was in the double bonus. So Miller's strategy was not to foul and to defend to keep it simple (the rule, is to foul if under 5 seconds in that situation). As it was, as the announcer noted, the accidental foul was a good one as it came at 2 seconds.
Yet that debate will be ongoing as UCONN was still able to get a desperation heave off at the buzzer.
I heard the announcer say that Miller likes to foul when it's between 4 and 11 seconds. (Though maybe my old ears heard 11 when he said 7). IMHO, with 9 seconds left, fouling intentionally before the opponent can get a shot off is going to leave too much time on the clock. So, I agree with what Xavier did.
Ask Rutgers how it worked for them when they fouled intentionally with a 3 point lead and 5 seconds left against Ohio State.
The way I look at it, in simplest terms MU, UConn, PC, Creighton and X would finish at 16-4 (losing on the road to each other and winning all other games).
So far, deviations from that are
MU, PC, Creighton: None, still on schedule to finish 16-4.
UConn: Losses at SHU, home to StJ and X (3 bad) - projection 13-7
X: Win at UConn, loss at DePaul (1 good, 1 bad), so still projected at 16-4
So I just look for deviations from first sentence to see how things are going. Of course, not perfect, but of the five teams only UConn seems to have played their way out of title consideration.
I guess I'm looking beyond pure numbers and the metric sites and concluding that Xavier's veteran team will hold up better as the season gets into the "dog days" of February and March.
MU is saying the right things about avoiding a finish similar to last year that included some losses that nobody would have expected after they completed the sweep of Villanova. Time will tell if they can back that up.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 26, 2023, 08:29:47 AM
Both Marquette and Xavier have an equal chance of winning the conference outright per Torvik. X is 5-1 in conference games decided by five points or less (MU is 1-2). That's 60% of their games so far that have gone down to the wire and could have gone either way (certainly credit their experience and coaching staff but Lady Luck needs to catch up).
#believe
Nope. Marquette controls their own destiny. They didn't take any hits last night. If anything it makes it more clear on what they have to do.
Win. Win. Win. Win. Win.
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
I guess I'm looking beyond pure numbers and the metric sites and concluding that Xavier's veteran team will hold up better as the season gets into the "dog days" of February and March.
MU is saying the right things about avoiding a finish similar to last year that included some losses that nobody would have expected after they completed the sweep of Villanova. Time will tell if they can back that up.
Everyone except Chase, Sean and Ben experienced the grind of the Big East schedule last year, so I'm not worried about how they'll handle it this year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 26, 2023, 11:42:49 AM
Nope. Marquette controls their own destiny. They didn't take any hits last night. If anything it makes it more clear on what they have to do.
Win. Win. Win. Win. Win.
We actually don't know if MU controls its own destiny. Even if we win out, PC could win out or X could win out besides the game against us (they play each other twice so they can't both win out). With either we would be 1-1 in head to head so we have to move to the second tiebreaker, record against the third place team (or teams if there's a tie). We don't know who that third place team will be or how the tiebreakers would shake out. If X or Providence end up in that third spot, we would end up in second because X and Providence have yet to play each other (so if one of them is winning out, they would be 2-0 against the other).
The UConn-X game was a great game to watch. Two very good teams and a great atmosphere. Best part, MU belongs in the same the conversation as those two teams. A crazy amount of progress by the program in 1.5 years.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 26, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
We actually don't know if MU controls its own destiny. Even if we win out, PC could win out or X could win out besides the game against us (they play each other twice so they can't both win out). With either we would be 1-1 in head to head so we have to move to the second tiebreaker, record against the third place team (or teams if there's a tie). We don't know who that third place team will be or how the tiebreakers would shake out. If X or Providence end up in that third spot, we would end up in second because X and Providence have yet to play each other (so if one of them is winning out, they would be 2-0 against the other).
Maybe just semantics, but a tie for first place is in my book a Big East championship.
The tiebreakers are only for purposes of seeding in the conference tournament.
If MU wins out they can do no worse than a 2 way tie for the Big East championship with either Xavier or Providence.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 26, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
We actually don't know if MU controls its own destiny. Even if we win out, PC could win out or X could win out besides the game against us (they play each other twice so they can't both win out). With either we would be 1-1 in head to head so we have to move to the second tiebreaker, record against the third place team (or teams if there's a tie). We don't know who that third place team will be or how the tiebreakers would shake out. If X or Providence end up in that third spot, we would end up in second because X and Providence have yet to play each other (so if one of them is winning out, they would be 2-0 against the other).
When we won the big east in 2013 did you not consider it a championship? I mean for seeding purposes we came in 3rd but we still got a trophy and some cool swag
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2023, 12:24:04 PM
Maybe just semantics, but a tie for first place is in my book a Big East championship.
The tiebreakers are only for purposes of seeding in the conference tournament.
If MU wins out they can do no worse than a 2 way tie for the Big East championship with either Xavier or Providence.
The Big East sees things the same. If two teams tie at the top, they are considered Co-Big East Champions. This also holds true if three teams tie, as Marquette fans should recall.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2023, 12:40:10 PM
When we won the big east in 2013 did you not consider it a championship? I mean for seeding purposes we came in 3rd but we still got a trophy and some cool swag
It is a championship but I'm greedy
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 26, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
We actually don't know if MU controls its own destiny. Even if we win out, PC could win out or X could win out besides the game against us (they play each other twice so they can't both win out). With either we would be 1-1 in head to head so we have to move to the second tiebreaker, record against the third place team (or teams if there's a tie). We don't know who that third place team will be or how the tiebreakers would shake out. If X or Providence end up in that third spot, we would end up in second because X and Providence have yet to play each other (so if one of them is winning out, they would be 2-0 against the other).
In your scenario we almost certainly get the 2 seed because the other one of those two is probably getting 3rd.
Since Creighton would in that scenario would take at least 2 more Ls in either scenario and already be at 5 losses.
Rooting for Creighton over X today
Would also like to see The Hall pick up a road win at Butler
MU will take care of business at WinTrust
Lappas on the X Creighton game on CBS. Officials called two fouls on both Nunge and Freemantle in the first 7 minutes of play. Sean Miller a wee bit apoplectic.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 28, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
Rooting for Creighton over X today
Would also like to see The Hall pick up a road win at Butler
MU will take care of business at WinTrust
Absolutely Herman.
Creighton taking advantage and abusing X at the rim.
Marquettes loss to X looks worse and worse each day
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2023, 11:43:09 AM
Creighton taking advantage and abusing X at the rim.
Also helpful that Creighton performing well on CBS Broadcast . Good visibility for their cause.
We really need CU to beat X today. We can beat CU at their place and pick up a game.
Kalkbrenner not even bothering to go out and guard X bigs who don't shoot 3's. Foreshadowing?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 28, 2023, 11:49:52 AM
We really need CU to beat X today. We can beat CU at their place and pick up a game.
Yep.
Two boneheaded plays by Schierman.
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2023, 11:51:57 AM
Kalkbrenner not even bothering to go out and guard X bigs who don't shoot 3's. Foreshadowing?
Umm.... Nunge and Freemantle both shoot threes and at a high percentrage
Ummm, both sitting when I typed that.
Creighton back to showing that top 10 team potential today
Xavier bricking like crazy from distance.
Xavier makes it to halftime without Freemantle or Nunge picking up their third foul. Maybe they can play defense in the second half as well as running their normal offense.
Creighton is a tough place to play.
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2023, 12:05:42 PM
Xavier makes it to halftime without Freemantle or Nunge picking up their third foul. Maybe they can play defense in the second half as well as running their normal offense.
Creighton is a tough place to play.
Blue Jays have a strong starting lineup. When they are clicking it is fun to watch.
Bluejays better wake up.
Fredrick King ,of Blue Jays ,has shown flashes all year. Has a bright future .
As expected ,for a coach of Sean Millers caliber, X made adjustments and is back in the game .
They woke up. :)
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 28, 2023, 12:40:11 PM
Fredrick King ,of Blue Jays ,has shown flashes all year. Has a bright future .
As expected ,for a coach of Sean Millers caliber, X made adjustments and is back in the game .
And then Creighton made adjustments and took over again.
Creighton is doing their part.
Time for us to do our part.
Creighton has Georgetown next so they'll likely be moving to 8-3 in conference.
Quality win for The Blue Jays
The Hall off to a solid start at Butler.
The Hall gets back on track against The Bulldogs. Next game for The Hall at The Johnnies. Hopefully the Pirates can keep their winning ways up. Our road win over them will be valued highly.
Marquette has 6 games left against the bottom 5 teams in the Big East. Some of these teams are downright terrible. Anything less than 16-4 at this point would be disappointing.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 28, 2023, 05:57:56 PM
The Hall gets back on track against The Bulldogs. Next game for The Hall at The Johnnies. Hopefully the Pirates can keep their winning ways up. Our road win over them will be valued highly.
Butler blows
Creighton with some excellent PR
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/creighton-pounds-xavier-and-looks-like-a-big-east-contender-after-disastrous-december-slump/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 07:33:18 AM
Creighton with some excellent PR
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/creighton-pounds-xavier-and-looks-like-a-big-east-contender-after-disastrous-december-slump/amp/
Thoughts on how we will matchup with Creighton and our chances of winning in Omaha? I had mono a few months ago and know first-hand how, just when you think you are over it, a mild relapse is always possible. I had a few, but that does not mean Kalk did. Translation: Kalk
may have suffered from aftereffects when we played them in Milwaukee. I'm
not a physician- just a guess.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 29, 2023, 07:56:10 AM
Thoughts on how we will matchup with Creighton and our chances of winning in Omaha? I had mono a few months ago and know first-hand how, just when you think you are over it, a mild relapse is always possible. I had a few, but that does not mean Kalk did. Translation: Kalk may have suffered from aftereffects when we played them in Milwaukee. I'm not a physician- just a guess.
Kalkbrenner didn't play our last game and King ate our lunch. I think at CU is our toughest game remaining. We'll need to lock up Nembhard and Alexander like we did last time and figure out a way to contain Schiermann and Kaluma. Kalkbrenner is good, but I don't think he can beat MU himself. He isn't Edey.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 29, 2023, 08:12:20 AM
Kalkbrenner didn't play our last game and King ate our lunch. I think at CU is our toughest game remaining. We'll need to lock up Nembhard and Alexander like we did last time and figure out a way to contain Schiermann and Kaluma. Kalkbrenner is good, but I don't think he can beat MU himself. He isn't Edey.
I think both teams are playing better ball now then when we first met in the league opener. Our schedules are similar except the Bluejays play at home in 2 of the their "tough" games.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 29, 2023, 08:12:20 AM
Kalkbrenner didn't play our last game and King ate our lunch. I think at CU is our toughest game remaining. We'll need to lock up Nembhard and Alexander like we did last time and figure out a way to contain Schiermann and Kaluma. Kalkbrenner is good, but I don't think he can beat MU himself. He isn't Edey.
Oh that's right. Kalk watched from the bench.
As a poster on Holyland pointed out, Creighton has two road games before coming to Milwaukee- Providence on 2/14 and St. Johns on 2/18- while Marquette will have a 6 day break after our home game vs. Xavier.
Agree on Creighton @ Omaha being our toughest remaining game. Judging them by their record vs. what we saw yesterday (yeah, even though it was only one game), I'm going with the Xavier beatdown version of Creighton that we will face. We can definitely take them down in Omaha, but a LOT of things have to go "just right".
I think we have three really tough games remaining. If they could go 2-1, I think that would be a great accomplishment. Creighton might end up being the team to beat for BE title. Hoping PC slips up today because it would be nice to see more room between the top four teams.
Another good article on Creighton from their local writer at RealChili 83s favorite publication the "Omaha Whirld Herald "
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/shatel-creighton-proves-theyve-found-their-identity-after-knocking-out-xavier-defense/article_e853d6da-9ea7-11ed-874d-77b3a8bc019f.html
Rooting for Cooley & Company big win today. They have plenty of hard games left on their schedule .
Also rooting for The Johnnies
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 10:33:23 AM
Rooting for Cooley & Company big win today. They have plenty of hard games left on their schedule .
Also rooting for The Johnnies
Should we want Prov or Nova?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2023, 10:56:24 AM
Should we want Prov or Nova?
Novas season is over and to keep the big east top heavy we need providence to remain winning against all the bad teams. They will take their losses to the top teams in the conference but a loss to a nova team is not only bad for Providence but the whole conference.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 10:33:23 AM
Rooting for Cooley & Company big win today. They have plenty of hard games left on their schedule .
Also rooting for The Johnnies
You literally cannot be a marquette fan
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 29, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Novas season is over and to keep the big east top heavy we need providence to remain winning against all the bad teams. They will take their losses to the top teams in the conference but a loss to a nova team is not only bad for Providence but the whole conference.
Nah.
Providence is a slight favorite.
They can lose by 5 or less and not really be affected in any way other than pushing them further from a BE title and a top 2 seed in the Conf Tournament
Justin Moore is back for Nova today.
That game on Wednesday might not be the cakewalk people seem to think it is. Nova gave MU all it could handle the first time and they will be stronger this time around.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 29, 2023, 11:02:06 AM
You literally cannot be a marquette fan
Want MU to have as many quality wins as possible for seeding . We finished both our games with Cooley & Company. So for todays purposes rooting for them.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
Justin Moore is back for Nova today.
That game on Wednesday might not be the cakewalk people seem to think it is. Nova gave MU all it could handle the first time and they will be stronger this time around.
Yup.
In the Jay Wright era we used to say that Marquette always plays Villanova tough.
I'm the Shaka Smart era that changes to Villanova always plays Marquette tough.
Good place to be.
That said, Wednesday won't be easy.
Heightened expectations and pressure due to rise in ranking and first place in conference.
Add to that a few distractions due to injury concerns and pending National Marquette Day hoopla on Saturday, along with a hungry Villanova team with its leader back.
Dare I say trap game? 😂
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
Morry's closed in 1995. Might want to get out of the basement
Sorry, havent lived in the area for a long time. guess that means that you should get out of the basement also, since you were clueless to that.
I don't understand taking more than a passing interest in what MU opponents do when it comes to NCAA seeding.
MU's seeding will be based largely on what they do themselves the rest of the way and only minimally on what other conference teams do.
Given the parity in college basketball these days, the path to advance in the NCAA tournament isn't going to be significantly affected one way or another based on a change of one or two spots in the seed list. Those little things can be important for teams squarely on the bubble, not for teams safely in the field.
That having been said I care more about MU winning the BE championship than I do about their specific spot on the NCAA seed list. So, Go Nova, beat Providence.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
Justin Moore is back for Nova today.
That game on Wednesday might not be the cakewalk people seem to think it is. Nova gave MU all it could handle the first time and they will be stronger this time around.
I'm thinking along the same line. The announcers made a good point that Moore being back not only improves Nova overall but also allows Whitmore some breathing room since defending against Nova just got a lot more difficult. So glad we played them earlier in the season in Philly! I still think we will win, but as you said, it will not be a cakewalk.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 11:52:35 AM
I don't understand taking more than a passing interest in what MU opponents do when it comes to NCAA seeding.
MU's seeding will be based largely on what they do themselves the rest of the way and only minimally on what other conference teams do.
Given the parity in college basketball these days, the path to advance in the NCAA tournament isn't going to be significantly affected one way or another based on a change of one or two spots in the seed list. Those little things can be important for teams squarely on the bubble, not for teams safely in the field.
That having been said I care more about MU winning the BE championship than I do about their specific spot on the NCAA seed list. So, Go Nova, beat Providence.
It matters a lot when you're on the bubble which is where we've mostly been with Wojo.
Not so much when you're actually good.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
Justin Moore is back for Nova today.
That game on Wednesday might not be the cakewalk people seem to think it is. Nova gave MU all it could handle the first time and they will be stronger this time around.
I don't recall anyone saying it would be a cakewalk Blue.
Moore makes Nova a hell of a lot more dangerous.
Would love to see them win the BET if it's not us.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 29, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Novas season is over and to keep the big east top heavy we need providence to remain winning against all the bad teams. They will take their losses to the top teams in the conference but a loss to a nova team is not only bad for Providence but the whole conference.
Nova's season is not over. They can go 9-2 in their last 11 and be in the conversation. I want them to win today to give us a better chance for the conference title. We can hurt their tournament chances on Wednesday
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2023, 12:24:41 PM
I don't recall anyone saying it would be a cakewalk Blue.
Not directly, but whenever anyone talks about MUs record the rest of the way, the only games mentioned are UConn, Creighton, and sometimes Xavier. Nobody mentions Nova as a tough game.
Bynum waa huge in the clutch for Providence today. Nova really misses Jay Wright.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2023, 01:00:08 PM
Bynum waa huge in the clutch for Providence today. Nova really misses Jay Wright.
It's his roster
Blue
Nova is not a cakewalk, but again, MU is a much better team. I would have to think few Nova fans are thinking about them pulling an upset at MU this week.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2023, 01:00:08 PM
Bynum waa huge in the clutch for Providence today. Nova really misses Jay Wright.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2023, 01:00:08 PM
Bynum waa huge in the clutch for Providence today. Nova really misses Jay Wright.
MU has had some good luck this year facing Creighton without Kalkbrenner and PC without Bynum.
John Fanta on the call for The Johnny /Hoya game at The Garden. No Posh for The Johnnys
Really wish Nova hadn't pissed that one away. Terrible defense and too many missed bunnies in the final two minutes. If Chris Arcidiacano was half the player his brother was that team would be a load.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
It's his roster
True, but minus Gillespie. He was amazing.
Too bad for Nova that Moore's first game back was vs. Providence. Add in the coaching matchup and the result was not surprising.
Kudos to Nova for exploiting Hopkin's fear of a fourth foul.
Once PC got their 3 point shooting in gear, I knew my hopes for a Nova win were dimming.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 01:04:36 PM
MU has had some good luck this year facing Creighton without Kalkbrenner and PC without Bynum.
True. And DePaul, playing at home, got to face Marquette basically without our leading scorer. Score was just about tied when Kam left for good. On great teams, others take up the slack ... as Joplin did for Kam.
Law ... I disagree
Nova's season is pretty much over.
They are not good .., and have a back breaking schedule the rest of the way:
Road games AT: MU, X, Prov, SH and
Creighton!
They will finish below.500 in the BE and
overall
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2023, 01:24:02 PM
True. And DePaul, playing at home, got to face Marquette basically without our leading scorer. Score was just about tied when Kam left for good. On great teams, others take up the slack ... as Joplin did for Kam.
I would say that it is easier to pick up the slack against DePaul (who is also missing several key players) than against the top teams in the league. I hope we don't have to see how MU would fare against a better team with both of the Joneses unavailable.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 02:00:21 PM
I would say that it is easier to pick up the slack against DePaul (who is also missing several key players) than against the top teams in the league. I hope we don't have to see how MU would fare against a better team with both of the Joneses unavailable.
Xavier wants to have a word with you about playing at DePaul.
Hoyas building some separation from The Johnnies .
A Hoya winning streak may be happening ....
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2023, 02:00:21 PM
I would say that it is easier to pick up the slack against DePaul (who is also missing several key players) than against the top teams in the league. I hope we don't have to see how MU would fare against a better team with both of the Joneses unavailable.
My point is that stuff happens. Hopefully, the Joneses are healthy soon.
Ok, this St John's/Georgetown game has been pretty entertaining.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 29, 2023, 03:18:07 PM
Ok, this St John's/Georgetown game has been pretty entertaining.
That win will help St. John's NIT bid
Hugely devastating win?
St. John's is not going to the NIT. It's not 1973 anymore.
Winning is better then losing , so helpful win by The Johnnies .
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
It's his roster
He undoubtedly would have coached it much better. Nova is 2-5 in games settled by 5 points or less, and 0-3 in games settled by 3 or less. I imagine they may have flipped that with Wright on the bench.
Kyle Neptune may be a good coach one day, but right now Nova has to be second-guessing itself about turning over a well-oiled machine to a guy with so little experience.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2023, 04:49:51 PM
He undoubtedly would have coached it much better. Nova is 2-5 in games settled by 5 points or less, and 0-3 in games settled by 3 or less. I imagine they may have flipped that with Wright on the bench.
Kyle Neptune may be a good coach one day, but right now Nova has to be second-guessing itself about turning over a well-oiled machine to a guy with so little experience.
Sounds like they're unlucky. No strategy could possibly flip that script.
Quote from: panda on January 29, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Sounds like they're unlucky. No strategy could possibly flip that script.
#coachingnomatta?
Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2023, 05:03:32 PM
#coachingnomatta?
Nope. It takes no specific skills or strategy from a coaching standpoint to win close games.
Quote from: panda on January 29, 2023, 05:04:34 PM
Nope. It takes no specific skills or strategy from a coaching standpoint to win close games.
Coaching only wins the easy games.
Quote from: panda on January 29, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Sounds like they're unlucky. No strategy could possibly flip that script.
They're #77 in Pomeroy with losses to Temple, Portland St, DePaul, and Butler. And it's just a matter of bad luck?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 29, 2023, 03:18:07 PM
Ok, this St John's/Georgetown game has been pretty entertaining.
It was a good game to watch. Georgetown lost their 7 point lead. Was exciting finish
Quote from: Daniel on January 29, 2023, 05:44:31 PM
It was a good game to watch. Georgetown lost their 7 point lead. Was exciting finish
Their fans have to be thrilled. They should do great with the high draft pick.
The comments in one of the Nova fan sites game thread is good reading .
Coach Neptune not endearing himself to the Wildcat Nation.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/1/29/23572964/villanova-vs-providence-chat-time-tv-channel-odds-how-to-watch
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 06:56:08 PM
The comments in one of the Nova fan sites game thread is good reading .
Coach Neptune not endearing himself to the Wildcat Nation.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/1/29/23572964/villanova-vs-providence-chat-time-tv-channel-odds-how-to-watch
He's just unlucky.
I'll ask anyone that watched today's game what coaching changes should have been made? I'm legitimately curious. It's easy to blame coaches and it's possible Neptune is in over his head but what in today's game should be have done different?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2023, 10:01:35 PM
I'll ask anyone that watched today's game what coaching changes should have been made? I'm legitimately curious. It's easy to blame coaches and it's possible Neptune is in over his head but what in today's game should be have done different?
Shoulda played Ben Gold more.
Wednesdays game could prove to be huge for the Conference Title race...obviously every game matters, but Nova is set up perfectly to be that spoiler team now that they have a full roster back.
Nova plays:
Marquette once
Xavier once
Providence once
UConn once
Creighton twice
and they will inevitably pick off a few of those teams with Moore back in the fold.
Dixon
Slater
Whitmore
Daniels
Moore
is a high level starting five. If Marquette can get the season sweep of the full strength spoiler it could prove to be the difference! Big week ahead!
A close look at the remaining schedules shows how extraordinarily close the BE conference race is, and how none of the 4 teams has a clear scheduling advantage.
If all 4 teams win all of their home games and lose only road games against the league's 5 apparently NCAA bound teams, the race will end in a 4 way tie at 16-4. The losses would be:
Marquette: @UConn, @Creighton
Xavier: @Marquette, @Providence
Providence: @Xavier, @UConn
Creighton: @Providence
As the previous post points out, Villanova could be a real spoiler as they have road games against each of the 4 contenders and a home game against Creighton. They have played the contenders tough and will only be tougher as Moore rounds into shape.
Seton Hall could also be a spoiler with home games against Creighton and Xavier and a game at Providence.
Of course, the contenders will also have to avoid upsets against the bottom 4 (DePaul, St. John's, Butler and Georgetown). Xavier's loss at DePaul could really haunt them.
A lot of interesting games ahead.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2023, 10:01:35 PM
I'll ask anyone that watched today's game what coaching changes should have been made? I'm legitimately curious. It's easy to blame coaches and it's possible Neptune is in over his head but what in today's game should be have done different?
Many posts in the comments here pointing out questionable coaching decisions down the stretch.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/1/29/23576529/villanova-justin-moores-return-against-no-23-providence-70-65-college-basketball-recap
Quote from: Pakuni on January 30, 2023, 06:55:32 AM
Many posts in the comments here pointing out questionable coaching decisions down the stretch.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/1/29/23576529/villanova-justin-moores-return-against-no-23-providence-70-65-college-basketball-recap
Sports fans second-guessing coaching decisions? I don't believe you. That never happens.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 30, 2023, 10:48:06 AM
Sports fans second-guessing coaching decisions? I don't believe you. That never happens.
Certainly not here. Scoop would never second-guess a coaching decision in the moment. And definitely not after the fact.
Nova looking to Justin Moore for Leadership
https://villanovan.com/22023/sports/moore-returns-providence-bests-villanova-70-65/
Kinda glad we're running into Moore early in his return
Xavier message board is saying Freemantle could be out for the year with a stress fracture to his foot.
Nothing confirmed at all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 08:56:51 AM
Xavier message board is saying Freemantle could be out for the year with a stress fracture to his foot.
Nothing confirmed at all.
Oof
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 08:56:51 AM
Xavier message board is saying Freemantle could be out for the year with a stress fracture to his foot.
Nothing confirmed at all.
Looks like a Jimmy John's walking boot scenario ....
http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?35479-Freemantle-Hurt&s=f016181a56600b066ab9a392f0b408ba
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 08:56:51 AM
Xavier message board is saying Freemantle could be out for the year with a stress fracture to his foot.
Nothing confirmed at all.
Would suck. I still remember the eerie silence in the BC when Dom broke his foot versus UCONN. You just knew a magical season came to an immediate end.
Just want Xavier to beat Providence tomorrow. They can implode after that.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2023, 09:34:59 AM
Looks like a Jimmy John's walking boot scenario ....
http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?35479-Freemantle-Hurt&s=f016181a56600b066ab9a392f0b408ba
Haha reading that thread.
We GE03 in tip top form jumping to massive conclusions
Not a single person on there is "saying he could be out for the year" Its literally a bunch of people saying they hope it isnt bad and they have no information at all haha
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 09:44:35 AM
Would suck. I still remember the eerie silence in the BC when Dom broke his foot versus UCONN. You just knew a magical season came to an immediate end.
First thing I thought of too. Hate to see that happen.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2023, 09:34:59 AM
Looks like a Jimmy John's walking boot scenario ....
http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?35479-Freemantle-Hurt&s=f016181a56600b066ab9a392f0b408ba
Tough to see a board jump to conclusions and fly off the handle. Glad we don't do that here.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
Haha reading that thread.
We GE03 in tip top form jumping to massive conclusions
Not a single person on there is "saying he could be out for the year" Its literally a bunch of people saying they hope it isnt bad and they have no information at all haha
The "out for the year" speculation is mostly coming from Twitter based on the message board post, but there were some in the message board speculating a reinjury of the foot that he had surgically repaired last year.
If any of this is true, that sucks for Xavier and that young man. Plus I would much rather beat them when they're at full strength so I don't ever have to hear "yeah but if Freemantle was healthy we would have won easily" kind of nonsense. With all that in mind, let's hope it's nothing too serious.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 09:44:35 AM
Would suck. I still remember the eerie silence in the BC when Dom broke his foot versus UCONN. You just knew a magical season came to an immediate end.
Worst day in MU history.
Quote from: UWW2MU on January 31, 2023, 12:00:35 PM
If any of this is true, that sucks for Xavier and that young man. Plus I would much rather beat them when they're at full strength so I don't ever have to hear "yeah but if Freemantle was healthy we would have won easily" kind of nonsense. With all that in mind, let's hope it's nothing too serious.
I'd rather win
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2023, 02:21:10 PM
Kinda glad we're running into Moore early in his return
Was thinking the same thing. Nova is p
going to build momentum for the remainder of the season, and will be a tough match up in the BE tournament too.
I know that on this board it's hard to separate actual information from some of the stuff coming from the posters who think their sarcastic comments are hilarious. So, take this for what it's worth.
When I saw the story about Fremantle I texted a friend who serves as the official scorer at Xavier's home games. He said that he has heard that they expect Fremantle to be out 3-4 weeks.
Norlander says Freemantle is out for at least 4 weeks (first posted in recruiting thread):
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/zach-freemantle-injury-xaviers-leading-rebounder-out-at-least-four-weeks-after-hurting-foot/
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 09:44:35 AM
Would suck. I still remember the eerie silence in the BC when Dom broke his foot versus UCONN. You just knew a magical season came to an immediate end.
The crowd tried to pick the team up in the second half but everyone was more interested in getting information on the extent of Dom's injury than we were in the game. We could have beaten anybody with our full team that year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 10:49:16 AM
The "out for the year" speculation is mostly coming from Twitter based on the message board post, but there were some in the message board speculating a reinjury of the foot that he had surgically repaired last year.
Sucks for Xavier and Freemantle. Always want to beat other teams at their best.
Door is wide open for Marquette though. Take care of business.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 02:01:46 PM
Sucks for Xavier and Freemantle. Always want to beat other teams at their best.
Door is wide open for Marquette though. Take care of business.
Definitely a bummer for Xavier. At least they should have him back in March.
Once again Providence has a horse shoe up it's ass as they still have both games with Xavier in the next month.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 02:01:46 PM
Sucks for Xavier and Freemantle. Always want to beat other teams at their best.
Door is wide open for Marquette though. Take care of business.
You as well as a few other scoopers post this fairly often. To be very clear, I
never hope that an opponent is injured or ill. With that said, the very same injuries and illnesses happen to Marquette sometimes, so that door swings both ways. I do not care if we get an advantage due to injury or illness of an opponent that
may (impossible to prove) have been the reason we won. We could just as easily lose a game due to an injury/illness on our team, but again....that's impossible to prove.
A W is a W. If we take down Xavier, Freemantle's absence is just too bad for X.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2023, 02:07:01 PM
Once again Providence has a horse shoe up it's ass as they still have both games with Xavier in the next month.
Perfect!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2023, 02:13:21 PM
A W is a W. If we take down Xavier, Freemantle's absence is just too bad for X.
Agreed. Every Big East team has had the good fortune of playing us without Wrightsil who was supposedly going to be a starter level type player according to what Shaka had said earlier in the year.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2023, 02:13:21 PM
You as well as a few other scoopers post this fairly often. To be very clear, I never hope that an opponent is injured or ill. With that said, the very same injuries and illnesses happen to Marquette sometimes, so that door swings both ways. I do not care if we get an advantage due to injury or illness of an opponent that may (impossible to prove) have been the reason we won. We could just as easily lose a game due to an injury/illness on our team, but again....that's impossible to prove.
A W is a W. If we take down Xavier, Freemantle's absence is just too bad for X.
Agreed but we could also lose to Xavier without Freemantle. In a perfect world, everyone is all healthy and we still win.
The UConn @NoEscalators twitter account is doing a survey of most liked and hated Big East fan bases.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdahK6LR7SILxGSsHcGPQoc9yNTJ91pgcaSKEJwQfgh2iJ8ag/viewform
It doesn't even take a minute to complete. According to his post he's received over 1,000 responses most of which are from Marquette fans.
https://twitter.com/NoEscalators/status/1620475297568260096?s=20
My Hated: Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton
My Liked: Villanova, Xavier, Georgetown
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 02:38:39 PM
Agreed but we could also lose to Xavier without Freemantle. In a perfect world, everyone is all healthy and we still win.
No way, Marquette could not win without Kam, no way Xavier can win without Freemantle...
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
The UConn @NoEscalators twitter account is doing a survey of most liked and hated Big East fan bases.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdahK6LR7SILxGSsHcGPQoc9yNTJ91pgcaSKEJwQfgh2iJ8ag/viewform
It doesn't even take a minute to complete. According to his post he's received over 1,000 responses most of which are from Marquette fans.
https://twitter.com/NoEscalators/status/1620475297568260096?s=20
My Hated: Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton
My Liked: Villanova, Xavier, Georgetown
Goes without saying.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2023, 03:14:06 PM
No way, Marquette could not win without Kam, no way Xavier can win without Freemantle...
Why can't Marquette win without Kam?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
The UConn @NoEscalators twitter account is doing a survey of most liked and hated Big East fan bases.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdahK6LR7SILxGSsHcGPQoc9yNTJ91pgcaSKEJwQfgh2iJ8ag/viewform
It doesn't even take a minute to complete. According to his post he's received over 1,000 responses most of which are from Marquette fans.
https://twitter.com/NoEscalators/status/1620475297568260096?s=20
My Hated: Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton
My Liked: Villanova, Xavier, Georgetown
I filled it out before reading your answers. Same, except swap Nova for DaPaw. They're just so happy I'm there watching basketball during their non MU games. Talk about die hard fans showing up to the Wintrust after all these years of suck.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
The UConn @NoEscalators twitter account is doing a survey of most liked and hated Big East fan bases.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdahK6LR7SILxGSsHcGPQoc9yNTJ91pgcaSKEJwQfgh2iJ8ag/viewform
It doesn't even take a minute to complete. According to his post he's received over 1,000 responses most of which are from Marquette fans.
https://twitter.com/NoEscalators/status/1620475297568260096?s=20
My Hated: Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton
My Liked: Villanova, Xavier, Georgetown
As someone who's been to some of the Creighton games this year, I wouldn't say most hated but they definitely are the whiniest. In the second half of the Xavier game, Creighton had 1 team foul with 4 minutes left. When the officials finally got around to calling a second foul on Creighton, you'd have thought the refs had been screwing Creighton the entire game based on the fan reaction.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2023, 03:14:06 PM
No way, Marquette could not win without Kam, no way Xavier can win without Freemantle...
Maybe it's late in the day, but what does this mean? Neither team could win without these players? What if they played each other?
Or, is it no way Marquette could not win without Kam? If so, Crean him.
I'm glad MU fans are identifying PC fans as the worst. It will be a shame if we don't win the BE because of the travesty there.
Freemantle is out
U Conn comfortably up first half versus The Blue Demons at WinTrust
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 03:39:51 PM
Why can't Marquette win without Kam?
per the chicken littles here...
Solid road win for The Huskies
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2023, 08:22:35 PM
per the chicken littles here...
Funny how people interpret "The game will be tougher without Kam" to "MU can't win without Kam", and then call anyone who says the game will be tougher a "Chicken Little".
If anyone here has said that MU CAN'T win, I must have missed it. But then it is hard to sift out rational comments from all of the humorous and witty sarcasm.
Kam knows ball.
Quote from: wisblue on January 31, 2023, 09:24:10 PM
Funny how people interpret "The game will be tougher without Kam" to "MU can't win without Kam", and then call anyone who says the game will be tougher a "Chicken Little".
If anyone here has said that MU CAN'T win, I must have missed it. But then it is hard to sift out rational comments from all of the humorous and witty sarcasm.
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Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2023, 09:52:27 PM
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It's all those budget cuts.
Is there a clear rooting interest for the Providence/Xavier game tonight in terms of helping MU's BE title chances? TRank suggests Xavier is the biggest threat but wonder if Freemantle's injury changes things...
Quote from: SturgeonGeneralWarrior on February 01, 2023, 11:40:12 AM
Is there a clear rooting interest for the Providence/Xavier game tonight in terms of helping MU's BE title chances? TRank suggests Xavier is the biggest threat but wonder if Freemantle's injury changes things...
I guess I'd cheer for Xavier because it means we control our own destiny, but I don't think it matters too much.
Quote from: SturgeonGeneralWarrior on February 01, 2023, 11:40:12 AM
Is there a clear rooting interest for the Providence/Xavier game tonight in terms of helping MU's BE title chances? TRank suggests Xavier is the biggest threat but wonder if Freemantle's injury changes things...
Pulling for Xavier. Puts PC on 3 losses, and allows us to be in position to take the league lead by beating X at home.
Root for Xavier to hold serve at home. They can lose at Providence and Marquette later.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-court-report-how-xavier-senior-souley-boum-emerged-as-one-of-college-basketballs-most-valuable-transfers/
4 minutes in, X looks like they will be OK.
Cooley with a TO 90 seconds in.
Providence might consider guarding one or more opposing players.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 05:39:38 PM
4 minutes in, X looks like they will be OK.
Cooley with a TO 90 seconds in.
Xavier with a crazy good offensive start.
Quote from: statnik on February 01, 2023, 05:40:25 PM
Xavier with a crazy good offensive start.
Freemantle is out for a few weeks
X on pace to score 150 points.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 05:42:28 PM
Freemantle is out for a few weeks
Did not know it was that long, would be nice if they keep their play going, and then MU can be the team that brings them back down to earth.
X saying Freemantle No Matta
Cooley worked up is always good theater.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 05:42:28 PM
Freemantle is out for a few weeks
They're better without him....
Providence D really stepped it up
The Blue Jays comfortably up at half at Georgetown on CBS Sports Network. Jays have something like a 10 game winning streak on CBS .
Providence righted the ship.
Dence all over X now like a dog on stink
Can Kunkel and Carter somehow both by obliterated by a meteor?
Let's go Georgetown. Get this thing.
Are we allowed to point out horrible calls in Big East games not involving MU? Is so, how did Hopkins not get called for an offensive foul when he turned the defender into a projectile
Who do we want here?
Being that close to Kentucky appears to have caused Hopkins to regress.
I'm with Brewcity. xavier pushes providence down and MU takes down the X @home. I enjoy watching because it's BE bb. Neither team is shooting well. It got better in the 2nd half. Just getting primed and ready for the next game. Will the team be able to score enough without Kam? No question about it. That's a yes. You adapt. I guess you'd call it evolution. And the team will be stronger because of it. You know me, I walk on the sunny side of the street.
Moving on after tonight we can expect to see more of the quicker freewheeling bb until Kam comes back. Joplin will be a monster soon. I know he could take anyone on in the league right now in a one on one. If he can slash into the lane for a dunk he's ready (and he's so quick you need to see it on replay) or if he's speeding up the court after a to he's ready for the 3. He's patient in the offense in half-court. He needs minutes. And when Kam comes back? MU will have 6-7 players who can compete with anyone. Ben Gold needs to pull a car across the parking lot outside the Al Center. I'm not saying he's soft. I'm just saying he needs to remember the history of Marquette. And what it takes to be your best. Best Wishes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 01, 2023, 07:17:47 PM
Who do we want here?
X. I don't know what helps MU more but I don't like Providence and I hope they lose.
Is Cooley auditioning for the Bucky job with all his whining to the refs?
That shot by Bynum??? OMG.
Lotta fouls called in this game that I've been told before were just "playing strong" when providence played us before
Big win by X over Cooley & Company.
Solid road win for The Blue Jays
Johnnies building a lead on The Hall midway through second half
Hopefully The Hall can rally and get the road win
The Hall has a big rally and wins by 12 on the road against The Johnnies .
Definitely Helps the MU cause
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 01, 2023, 09:59:05 PM
The Hall has a big rally and wins by 12 on the road against The Johnnies .
Definitely Helps the MU cause
Beginning to think St. John's won't make the NIT
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 01, 2023, 09:59:05 PM
The Hall has a big rally and wins by 12 on the road against The Johnnies .
Definitely Helps the MU cause
UConn, 12 games in, is sixth. Who would have thought that after their non-con? This is reminding me of that Natl Champ team that went 9-9 in a brutal BE, and was undefeated against all non-BE competition for the season.
Not saying they win a Natty, but would not be surprised by a BET title, and an Elite Eight.
Hall continues to be the clear "best of the rest"
They are winless vs the top 4.
1-0 against Uconn
6-0 against the NIT/CBI teams.
The two marquee games in the conference last night were outstanding. So many things to love about the conference and the true round robin format. The fact that there has been a true fight to win the conference the past two years only makes things better. Kudos to Nova for the stranglehold they had for years, but it is so much more exciting with multiple teams in the mix. Obviously more fun when MU is one of those teams, but even if not, it makes for great viewing and drama from a fan perspective. Have to love the Big East.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2023, 10:30:41 AM
The two marquee games in the conference last night were outstanding. So many things to love about the conference and the true round robin format. The fact that there has been a true fight to win the conference the past two years only makes things better. Kudos to Nova for the stranglehold they had for years, but it is so much more exciting with multiple teams in the mix. Obviously more fun when MU is one of those teams, but even if not, it makes for great viewing and drama from a fan perspective. Have to love the Big East.
The Big East tournament is gonna be fantastic.
Cincinnati Enquirer article on X battle with Cooley & Company
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2023/02/02/big-east-basketball-no-16-xavier-tops-no-17-providence-in-overtime/69853902007/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Beginning to think St. John's won't make the NIT
The dumbest thing St John's did was taking Curabello from the portal. Last nite was the second time he got kicked out of a game.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 02, 2023, 02:10:26 PM
The dumbest thing St John's did was taking Curabello from the portal. Last nite was the second time he got kicked out of a game.
I think its safe to say hes directly responsible to the massive step back for Posh this year too
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2023, 02:17:03 PM
I think its safe to say hes directly responsible to the massive step back for Posh this year too
Posh is now a poor man's Stevie Mitchell
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 02, 2023, 02:10:26 PM
The dumbest thing St John's did was taking Curabello from the portal. Last nite was the second time he got kicked out of a game.
Agree. Heck of a talent but his downside outweighs the flashes of huge upside. He was a great contributor to MU's win over #7 ranked IL last year.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2023, 02:39:42 PM
Agree. Heck of a talent but his downside outweighs the flashes of huge upside. He was a great contributor to MU's win over #7 ranked IL last year.
Was thinking the same thing. I'm ever grateful for his contributions against us last season!!
Looking forward to the Nova at Creighton game tonight . Will be interesting to see how The Wildcats respond after their loss to MU.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2023, 10:22:36 AM
Looking forward to the Nova at Creighton game tonight . Will be interesting to see how The Wildcats respond after their loss to MU.
I really like Villanova in that game.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 04, 2023, 10:24:20 AM
I really like Villanova in that game.
Nova just isn't playing like Nova this year. I find it hard to root for them. And Creighton has been playing so well.
Where do you see the cracks?
It has been noted nationally, so I will just pile on. If Nova had one of their good/great PG's, or even a TKo type, they would be the type of Nova team we are used to seeing. They don't, so they aren't.
Hoyas making a game of it in first half versus Huskies
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 04, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
Bold.
Why?
Just a feeling.
Logic says that's probably off, but the talent is obviously there on that Nova side and they played with heart for a big portion of their game against MU.
There is pride in that locker room and they just need to put it all together.
They've been close a lot and are due for a breakthrough.
Creighton is good, really good at home, but Nova plays at a slow pace and is organized, doesn't turn it over much.
The spread just seems too large imo, but I can also see Villanova pulling off the upset.
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2023, 10:46:03 AM
It has been noted nationally, so I will just pile on. If Nova had one of their good/great PG's, or even a TKo type, they would be the type of Nova team we are used to seeing. They don't, so they aren't.
Would also help if they had a HOF coach on the sidelines instead of some nobody.
Wow. Gtown only down 3.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 04, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
Would also help if they had a HOF coach on the sidelines instead of some nobody.
Probably. Of course, that HOF coach ran off his HS all-American PG a couple of years ago. And never really recruited an adequate replacement.
Hoyas showing some life in recent games. A team that needs to be taken seriously.
X on the Fox Broadcast
Good exposure for the Big East with loud crowd at Cintas
X-STJ is staring late, no? Heard something about a flight problem.
edit: nvm. Brando just talked about it.
X just slicing up St. John's
Pretty jarring watching the difference between the two teams.
X ability to win without Fremantle is building their confidence .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2023, 04:38:18 PM
X ability to win without Fremantle is building their confidence .
They're a very good team
St. John's needs a new coach. The offense is a disaster and the defense clueless.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2023, 05:14:12 PM
St. John's needs a new coach. The offense is a disaster and the defense clueless.
Reasonable take.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2023, 05:14:12 PM
St. John's needs a new coach. The offense is a disaster and the defense clueless.
Their is a very attractive woman in a black turtle neck sitting behind The Johnnie bench . Maybe Coach Anderson is distracted today....🤓
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2023, 05:23:42 PM
Reasonable take.
They don't communicate on defense at all and if they're scouting and game planning, the players aren't paying attention. The offense is a lot of one-on-one.
There is talent there but not remotely cohesive or capable of consistency
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2023, 05:30:16 PM
Their is a very attractive woman in a black turtle neck sitting behind The Johnnie bench . Maybe Coach Anderson is distracted today....🤓
Beats watching his team play
X showing how to jump on a bad team early and not let them up.
Johnnies not helping. Bottom half of the league hasn't helped us at all, except for DePaul.
So we know that MU cannot count on help.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 04, 2023, 05:52:00 PM
Johnnies not helping. Bottom half of the league hasn't helped us at all, except for DePaul.
I wouldn't be counting on help from any of those teams.
Quote from: wisblue on February 04, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
X showing how to jump on a bad team early and not let them up.
They should have taken their own lesson before playing DePaul. ;)
We got help from DePaul vs. X. As others have said, not likely to get much more help.
Seton Hall could steal one from a top team if everything goes well for them. And I think Nova, if Moore can be a real contributor, is the most likely to knock off a good team or two. Not much chance at Creighton tonight IMHO, but could get one at The Provi, at X or vs Creighton at home.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2023, 05:34:37 PM
Beats watching his team play
Every year we hear from the media in the fall about watch out for Mike Anderson and the Johnnies, this is the year...and then they enter conference play and evaporate.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2023, 05:30:16 PM
Their is a very attractive woman in a black turtle neck sitting behind The Johnnie bench . Maybe Coach Anderson is distracted today....🤓
I agree with that assessment
I always enjoying watching Creighton play on their arena . They move the ball well and the loud crowd is a lot of fun .
Looking forward to when MU plays The Jays.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2023, 07:22:24 PM
I always enjoying watching Creighton play on their arena . They move the ball well and the loud crowd is a lot of fun .
Looking forward to when MU plays The Jays.
Been there for a game. First class arena, great crowds, very good game production. I mean, not on St Thomas' level but not shabby. ;)
I hope Shaka adjusts his switch everything strategy on defense when we play Creighton. If not, Kalkbrenner could hang 40 on us.
Nova has slowed the pace of the game with Creighton much the same way they did to us the other nite.
We have a game in omaha
Is Cam Whitmore the most overrated frosh with the most hype? Chase Ross is better
Ross has no pressure. Whitmore feels like he has to make thing happen.
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:08 PM
Ross has no pressure. Whitmore feels like he has to make thing happen.
I have not seen much from him in the last two games, tonight particularly bad
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 04, 2023, 08:43:21 PM
I have not seen much from him in the last two games, tonight particularly bad
Wright left a weak roster
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 04, 2023, 08:37:13 PM
Is Cam Whitmore the most overrated frosh with the most hype? Chase Ross is better
He's one of the top 2 freshmen in the conference. He's been bad the last two but he's been great most of the (once he got healthy)
So is it's Neptune's fault that Daniels had a horrible turnover with 15 seconds left?
Bet Villanova would have liked a decent PG in the last minute.
Damn, we need Nova to get theirs spoiler act together.
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:08 PM
Ross has no pressure. Whitmore feels like he has to make thing happen.
Nailed it! announcer's comment "he's a freshman....and playing like it" was spot on.
I think Villanova going to be tough down the stretch. Gave MU and now Creighton tough battles on the road .
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 04, 2023, 08:51:28 PM
So is it's Neptune's fault that Daniels had a horrible turnover with 15 seconds left?
Daniels is rather bad at basketballing this year, or at least when it counts.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 04, 2023, 09:05:33 PM
Daniels is rather bad at basketballing this year, or at least when it counts.
That was awful.
Nova keeps finding ways to lose.
Also ... McDermott chose not to foul up 3.
Rooting for The Hall to get a big win today
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-avoids-spoiler-from-villanova-nabs-sixth-straight-win/article_8caec32c-a428-11ed-be5e-331805d6c5f6.html
Bad Press for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2023/02/04/st-johns-continue-slump-in-blowout-loss-to-xavier/amp/
https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/seton-halls-kadary-richmond-thriving-under-shaheen-holloway/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 05, 2023, 07:26:23 AM
Rooting for The Hall to get a big win today
They may have forgotten what time the game started.
If Hall fans stand until the first FG like we do, they finally sat down at 10:38 remaining.
The Hall battles back to a 4 point halftime lead .
The Hall creating some separation in the second half versus The Blue Demons.
They certainly should.
The Hall avoids a bad loss
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 05, 2023, 01:25:29 PM
The Hall avoids a bad loss
It wasn't for lack of trying. Hopefully they play better on Wednesday against Creighton.
Quote from: MU82 on February 04, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
Nova keeps finding ways to lose.
Also ... McDermott chose not to foul up 3.
I realize it is so easy to pretend that you know better than a coach, but why did Nova, with what should have been the final possession with 20 some seconds left and down 1, pass the ball around so much inside the arc rather than camping farther out and going for one "win or lose" shot? I could almost see a TO coming.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 05, 2023, 01:34:48 PM
It wasn't for lack of trying. Hopefully they play better on Wednesday against Creighton.
Yep. I would like to see Creighton with at least one more loss to anyone other than PC or X. They are @ PC on 2/14.
A 3 way fight for the #1 position is tough enough. I do not want to see Creighton becoming the 4th team to enter the race to the top.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 05, 2023, 01:41:36 PM
Yep. I would like to see Creighton with at least one more loss to anyone other than PC or X. They are @ PC on 2/14.
A 3 way fight for the #1 position is tough enough. I do not want to see Creighton becoming the 4th team to enter the race to the top.
Creighton only has 3 conference losses - I think they're already in the race.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 05, 2023, 01:36:00 PM
I realize it is so easy to pretend that you know better than a coach, but why did Nova, with what should have been the final possession with 20 some seconds left and down 1, pass the ball around so much inside the arc rather than camping farther out and going for one "win or lose" shot? I could almost see a TO coming.
Not a fan of Nova's offense in general. Lots of bouncy-ball, often in traffic.
They were only hitting about 30% of their 3s, though. So maybe Neptune liked his chances better of going inside, maybe drawing a foul.
Quote from: MU82 on February 05, 2023, 03:09:40 PM
Not a fan of Nova's offense in general. Lots of bouncy-ball, often in traffic.
They were only hitting about 30% of their 3s, though. So maybe Neptune liked his chances better of going inside, maybe drawing a foul.
Neptune may not be the answer there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 05, 2023, 03:15:47 PM
Neptune may not be the answer there.
Wildcat faithful hoping to get back on track with home stand against DePaul , The Hall and Butler
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/2/4/23586220/villanovas-comeback-falls-short-against-creighton-college-basketball-big-east
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 05, 2023, 03:46:18 PM
Wildcat faithful hoping to get back on track with home stand against DePaul , The Hall and Butler
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/2/4/23586220/villanovas-comeback-falls-short-against-creighton-college-basketball-big-east
Too little too late. Barring a run like Ewing's in '21, they're toast for this season.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 05, 2023, 04:10:18 PM
Too little too late. Barring a run like Ewing's in '21, they're toast for this season.
I would say they have the team to pull of a run like that if Moore gets back to 85% of who he was.
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/triston-newton-goes-goes-uconn-17764193.php
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2023/2/3/23583802/a-year-ago-jerome-hunter-had-one-fan-now-hes-xaviers-most-important-player
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 05, 2023, 08:19:47 AM
Bad Press for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2023/02/04/st-johns-continue-slump-in-blowout-loss-to-xavier/amp/
Not a problem at Georgetown, where the Washington Post hasn't filed a game report since January 4th.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 05, 2023, 09:59:56 PM
Not a problem at Georgetown, where the Washington Post hasn't filed a game report since January 4th.
You couldn't get a write up for breaking the 29 game streak?!?!
Good PR for freshman Alex Karaban who hit shot to put Huskies up against Hoyas toward the ens of their game . Talks about his love for the game .
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-mens-basketball-alex-karaban-comes-up-big-for-huskies-20230204-20230204-4gr37pzt3nhjtecormnakatjga-story.html
NM
This poor guy just wanted to talk Big East Hoops with Fanta on Twitter Spaces and instead gets called the worst father in the World by his wife.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1622715647091253248?t=uAG4S-WYvg0DCe8qtCAPkw&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2023, 04:01:36 PM
This poor guy just wanted to talk Big East Hoops with Fanta on Twitter Spaces and instead gets called the worst father in the World by his wife.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1622715647091253248?t=uAG4S-WYvg0DCe8qtCAPkw&s=19
Fanta coming to Pete's defense
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 06, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
Fanta coming to Pete's defense
"Pete just suffered a devastating loss and finds himself in the 1st 4 out right now."
I laughed out loud at that Fanta comment.
Bulldogs take a bite out The Johnnies season with a solid win.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 08, 2023, 07:05:26 AM
Bulldogs take a bite out The Johnnies season with a solid win.
Mike Anderson is a solid contender for worst coaching job in the Big East this season.
One win at UConn when the Huskies were in the midst of their doldrums but otherwise 3 wins over crap teams and a bunch of horrible losses.
That overrated winning-record streak of his could be in serious danger.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2023, 09:34:04 AM
Mike Anderson is a solid contender for worst coaching job in the Big East this season.
One win at UConn when the Huskies were in the midst of their doldrums but otherwise 3 wins over crap teams and a bunch of horrible losses.
That overrated winning-record streak of his could be in serious danger.
I mentioned it previously, but taking Curabello was a huge mistake.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 08, 2023, 10:12:39 AM
I mentioned it previously, but taking Curabello was a huge mistake.
Yeah, that was a terrible match of player and program. Honestly not sure what either party was thinking that led them to believe it would work out well.
And somehow he has broken Posh's will. Posh simply isn't the same disruptive force this year. Coupled with multiple suspensions, it is clear that Anderson is not having a great year.
Wojo to St. John's.
Creighton not on their favorite CBS Sports network , can they win at The Hall tonight on FS1?
Blue Jays up 1 at half on the road over The Hall . Gritty Big East game .
Glad we got our two wins over The Hall. They are playing Creighton very tough.
Blue Jays just went on a nice run
Since this thread isn't just "Mens" big east bball......
The ladies just took down Geno and #4 UConn. Ring out ahoya!
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 08, 2023, 08:54:14 PM
Since this thread isn't just "Mens" big east bball......
The ladies just took down Geno and #4 UConn. Ring out ahoya!
Hot damn!!!
Cooley & Company with a solid win over The Hoyas.
Obviously the Uconn women suffered from fatigue.
Quote from: MUUWUWM on February 08, 2023, 09:13:11 PM
Obviously the Uconn women suffered from fatigue.
1st time they've lost back to back games since 1993 according to Fanta.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 08, 2023, 08:54:14 PM
Since this thread isn't just "Mens" big east bball......
The ladies just took down Geno and #4 UConn. Ring out ahoya!
I'm not one to yell "Superbar," but just FYI if you want to read more about that game there is a stand-alone MU Women's Hoops thread over there.
Nova gets a much needed win against The Blue Demons
Stolen from Matt St. Jean on Twitter.
So for this season, 16 Big East games have been decided by 20+ points.
Eight of those were Butler losses.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2023, 10:49:40 PM
I'm not one to yell "Superbar," but just FYI if you want to read more about that game there is a stand-alone MU Women's Hoops thread over there.
Did not know that. Noted.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2023, 10:49:40 PM
I'm not one to yell "Superbar," but just FYI if you want to read more about that game there is a stand-alone MU Women's Hoops thread over there.
...but that thread should be here: Hangin at the Al, Message board for all things related Marquette Basketball - recruiting, coaching, game strategy, etc.
The Mods should move it, don't you think?
I agree 1,000+ ! ! ! I always wondered why it was in the "Superbar" ! ! ! Come on mods make the change, the MU Ladies are doing MU BB proud! ! ! 8-)
Mike Anderson streak of consecutive losing seasons is in jeopardy . The Johnnies have 14 wins. Need two more to get to 16. Their Games against The Blue Demons and Hoyas are both on the road ....
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on February 09, 2023, 04:54:18 PM
I agree 1,000+ ! ! ! I always wondered why it was in the "Superbar" ! ! ! Come on mods make the change, the MU Ladies are doing MU BB proud! ! ! 8-)
I second this. I didn't even know there was a thread on the ladies but I would click on it to see what's happening with them. Shouldn't be in Superbar.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2023, 10:56:51 AM
Stolen from Matt St. Jean on Twitter.
So for this season, 16 Big East games have been decided by 20+ points.
Eight of those were Butler losses.
One of those was also Butler's 80-51 win over Georgetown.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2023, 04:42:42 PM
...but that thread should be here: Hangin at the Al, Message board for all things related Marquette Basketball - recruiting, coaching, game strategy, etc.
The Mods should move it, don't you think?
Sure, that would be great.
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1624081885130260481?s=46&t=1AndTufCq62bGzNZ7kvy3g
Good news for the Big East opponents of St. John's
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 10, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1624081885130260481?s=46&t=1AndTufCq62bGzNZ7kvy3g
Good news for the Big East opponents of St. John's
Any time you can come out in the middle of the season and say you won't part ways with your coach, it's a good sign for the coach.
Uh-oh, Should we be concerned that Shaka hasn't received a vote of confidence?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 10, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1624081885130260481?s=46&t=1AndTufCq62bGzNZ7kvy3g
Good news for the Big East opponents of St. John's
One of the best jobs going is to get a multi year Big East contract at a school that can't afford or doesn't want to pay the buyout . Coach Anderson sitting pretty as is Coach Ewing .
Funny, if you look at the replies somebody posted a photo of Tom Crean. That would be interesting.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 10, 2023, 12:50:22 PM
One of the best jobs going is to get a multi year Big East contract at a school that can't afford or doesn't want to pay the buyout . Coach Anderson sitting pretty as is Coach Ewing .
https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1624123942662176775?s=46&t=11_efSGV-sCfuwSoIZH1WA
Or not 🤔😂
X at Hinkle tonight facing The Bulldogs. Good local rivalry game . Should be a good crowd as X fans will likely make the quick drive over to Indy.
X looking for its third straight win .
X is only giving 7. Could Butler jump up and bite 'em?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 10, 2023, 05:01:10 PM
X is only giving 7. Could Butler jump up and bite 'em?
Doubtful, but I think St. John's could surprise Providence tomorrow as a 4 point home dog.
Bulldogs out to a 15-4 lead over X with 13 minutes left first
Still 25 minutes of basketball left
But X looks AWFUL right now.
Ass kickin', hey?
Butler up 10 over X 2:51 left first
Boum had an ankle injury. No word yet how serious .
Bulldogs up 35-21 at half over X
Bates playing masterfully tonight . Really strokin it from the inside
Pics, hey?
35-21? Bulldogs?
Need to catch X on a day like this. Butler has blocked a ton of shots
We've got ourselves a game at Hinkle.
Ton of time to go but it would be awesome for Marquette if Butler managed to pull one out tonight.
Not only could Marquette be back in first in Conference after tomorrow, but they could be all alone in first after Wednesday so they Serve would be rocking.
Not to mention that X is neck and neck with MU in seeding.
I mentioned a few weeks ago that Hinkle is a tough place to play, and was told to stop thinking about the past.
Hinkle is a tough place to play, past or present
Loud crowd having fun on a Friday night at Hinkle.
Bulldogs up 57-49 5:25 left
Nothing like a Friday night Big East battle among rivals
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 10, 2023, 07:45:46 PM
Loud crowd having fun on a Friday night at Hinkle.
Bulldogs up 57-49 5:25 left
Nothing like a Friday night Big East battle among rivals
Gonna come down to the wire.
What a flop
What a defensive play by Manny on Souley
Wow what a freakin game
Jayden Taylor!!!
Souley drains a cutthroat 3
Omg - Chris Webber 2.0!
Omg Nunge called TO with none left.
Can't believe Taylor fell over like that
Quote from: DoctorV on February 10, 2023, 08:05:14 PM
Omg Nunge called TO with none left.
Can't believe Taylor fell over like that
And the Nunge drains a three - what a player.
WTF is Butler doing.
Wojo level call there
That was a huge mistake omg .... Up 2. Oops
Wow gave them a decent look with 2.5. Wow! Let's take GT down tomorrow
What a finish!
DOWN GOES XAVIER AT HINKLE
Not sure that was a goal-tend but oh well. 😊
"First win against AP top 10 since.."
Uh...13
We are! Butler!
Coaching Matta
Bulldogs with a well played game tonight
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 10, 2023, 08:14:27 PM
Not sure that was a goal-tend but oh well. 😊
I'm not sure either.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 10, 2023, 08:14:27 PM
Not sure that was a goal-tend but oh well. 😊
Jones absolutely touched the rim. Not sure what the right call is there.
hey take it and run.....didn't expect this..nice!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 10, 2023, 08:16:16 PM
Jones absolutely touched the rim. Not sure what the right call is there.
Me either - it would have been interesting because Butler got the rebound.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 10, 2023, 08:16:16 PM
Jones absolutely touched the rim. Not sure what the right call is there.
Part of the goaltending rule:
"Basket interference occurs when a player...
Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder."
He clearly held the rim and made the basket vibrate. Was the ball in the cylinder?? IDK...
It looked like the ball was well out of the cylinder when Jones grabbed the rim. I'd love to hear the refs' interpretation; hopefully there is a pool reporter to ask them.
Had the call been overturned, it would have been ruled an inadvertent whistle and alternate possession would have been awarded to Butler (at least that's where the arrow was pointing on the TV graphic).
Either way, X let the game come down to that against a bad team. They've now lost to DePaul and Butler.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 10, 2023, 08:26:55 PM
Part of the goaltending rule:
"Basket interference occurs when a player...
Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder."
He clearly held the rim and made the basket vibrate. Was the ball in the cylinder?? IDK...
Figured that was the case. Don't see how they could have overturned the call after seeing that on the replay.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 10, 2023, 08:14:27 PM
Not sure that was a goal-tend but oh well. 😊
It was both a goaltend on Nunge and basket interference on Jones. In blocking the dunk from behind, Nunge was blocking a shot that was on its downward trajectory and over the cylinder. Jones grabbing and pulling the rim was just icing on a goaltending cake.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2023, 09:05:45 PM
It was both a goaltend on Nunge and basket interference on Jones. In blocking the dunk from behind, Nunge was blocking a shot that was on its downward trajectory and over the cylinder. Jones grabbing and pulling the rim was just icing on a goaltending cake.
Thats what I saw. Butler guy was fouled twice before the shot as well.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2023, 09:05:45 PM
It was both a goaltend on Nunge and basket interference on Jones. In blocking the dunk from behind, Nunge was blocking a shot that was on its downward trajectory and over the cylinder. Jones grabbing and pulling the rim was just icing on a goaltending cake.
I mean if that's the case then every dunk attempt is actually an offensive goaltend.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2023, 09:05:45 PM
It was both a goaltend on Nunge and basket interference on Jones. In blocking the dunk from behind, Nunge was blocking a shot that was on its downward trajectory and over the cylinder. Jones grabbing and pulling the rim was just icing on a goaltending cake.
I've seen many dunks blocked over the rim without being called goaltending. So either those were bad no-calls or this was a bad call (if they called Nunge and not Jones).
Again, I'd like to hear the official interpretation.
Can't call goaltend if offensive player still has hand on ball. So you can block a dunk.
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2023, 09:25:17 PM
I've seen many dunks blocked over the rim without being called goaltending. So either those were bad no-calls or this was a bad call (if they called Nunge and not Jones).
Again, I'd like to hear the official interpretation.
From the replay the ball ended dislodged from hands and the rim was grabbed while ball was on cylinder? And defender pulled down rim so goal tend. Best interpretation I could see.
Looks like the Xavier February fade is underway
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 10, 2023, 09:31:55 PM
Can't call goaltend if offensive player still has hand on ball. So you can block a dunk.
Can you find that in the rule book? Because I did look and didn't see that mentioned at all.
The goaltending call we can argue, the severity of the loss for Xavier we cannot.
Next for them is Wednesday at Marquette.
Their schedule after that includes 3 winnable home games and roadies at SH and Providence.
Not easy, but not brutal either.
Creighton gets UConn and MU at home, road game at Providence all in the next 4 before a softer end.
Providence gets Creighton and X at home, UConn on the road. Of note is a road game at StJ tomorrow which could be tricky imo.
Marquette gets @Creighton and @Butler, two softer home games after that game versus X.
This conference is Marquette's to take, if they can figure out how to get back to the MU we've known
Quote from: DoctorV on February 10, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Marquette gets @Creighton and @Butler, two softer home games after that game versus X.
Oh no. Doc V is overlooking Georgetown. Doomed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2023, 09:45:57 PM
Can you find that in the rule book? Because I did look and didn't see that mentioned at all.
In fairness I was parroting the announcer, so it may be completely and utterly wrong.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2023, 09:51:42 PM
Oh no. Doc V is overlooking Georgetown. Doomed.
Rocky right.
If MU loses to Georgetown tomorrow I won't be worried about a conference title, I'll be worried about a Feb fade
Let the pants pissing over the @Butler game begin.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 10, 2023, 10:43:58 PM
Let the pants pissing over the @Butler game begin.
Xavier February Fade? We'll find out on Wednesday.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 10, 2023, 11:19:42 PM
Xavier February Fade? We'll find out on Wednesday.
What if it is February Fade vs February Fade? Who wins?
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 11, 2023, 12:06:50 AM
What if it is February Fade vs February Fade? Who wins?
Creighton fans.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 10, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
In fairness I was parroting the announcer, so it may be completely and utterly wrong.
Makes sense, lots of postgame debate on that one. But if the way I read the rule is right, it would seem to indicate you can only block dunks legally from a hoop side position.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 10, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
The goaltending call we can argue, the severity of the loss for Xavier we cannot.
Next for them is Wednesday at Marquette.
Their schedule after that includes 3 winnable home games and roadies at SH and Providence.
Not easy, but not brutal either.
Creighton gets UConn and MU at home, road game at Providence all in the next 4 before a softer end.
Providence gets Creighton and X at home, UConn on the road. Of note is a road game at StJ tomorrow which could be tricky imo.
Marquette gets @Creighton and @Butler, two softer home games after that game versus X.
This conference is Marquette's to take, if they can figure out how to get back to the MU we've known
Absolutely. I was not surprised X lost yesterday. MU has the tools and the team to win the BEast outright and the most favorable schedule. Period and end of discussion. Let's get our mojo back in a few hours and back on track.
Jay Whitehead versus Cornbread Maxwell play where players were contending the dunk, but minus a Colby Jones hitting the net and hanging on the rim as the ball is in/entering the cylinder. Basket interference on Jones
As 82 says, this is rarely called but should be (like 3 seconds). Anderson didn't take much time to review it other than get the clock right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_interference
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2023, 04:58:24 AM
Makes sense, lots of postgame debate on that one. But if the way I read the rule is right, it would seem to indicate you can only block dunks legally from a hoop side position.
Here is the rule in question:
"Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exception: Rule 10-4.1.h)
1. The ball is on its downward flight; and
2. The ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder."
If you look at the phrase "flight" as it is used throughout the rulebook, I think the assumption is that it means that the ball has left the hands of the shooter. I am 99% sure that was called basket interference.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 10, 2023, 10:43:58 PM
Let the pants pissing over the @Butler game begin.
Already began about 2 weeks ago ... although the pissin' could really pick up steam now.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 11, 2023, 12:06:50 AM
What if it is February Fade vs February Fade? Who wins?
What if every team in the country has a February Fade? Should we just declare every game a tie through 2/28?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2023, 06:37:52 AM
Here is the rule in question:
"Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exception: Rule 10-4.1.h)
1. The ball is on its downward flight; and
2. The ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder."
If you look at the phrase "flight" as it is used throughout the rulebook, I think the assumption is that it means that the ball has left the hands of the shooter. I am 99% sure that was called basket interference.
I believe you are correct. There is nothing "flight"-y about a dunk. Ball is still in a shooter's hand. We've all seen many blocks of dunks. Before I saw any replays last night, I thought maybe Nunge's hand had come up through the hoop and that was the call.
But it had to have been basket interference. The first several times I saw the play, I thought the ball was away from the cylinder by the time Jones contacted the rim. But I just watched it a half-dozen more times and it's very, very close. Too close to over-rule the call that was made on the court.
In an NCAA tournament game, a pool reporter would have been allowed to ask the crew chief. But in a regular-season game, I don't know if the NCAA allows its officials to be interviewed.
I ref a lot of youth basketball (4th-8th grades, mostly), but I don't have to worry too much about making above-the-rim calls. Thankfully, I never had to ref any games involving Ners when he was 10!!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 10, 2023, 08:09:22 PM
Not so sure that's on the coach.
Yeah. A player not knowing the score with 10 seconds left is one thing. A head coach doing the same is incompetence on a whole other level.
I've pissed my pants so bad about that game at Hinkle that I decided last night that I'm actually going to go to Indianapolis on that Tuesday wearing depends.
You see, I'm off Tuesday's and it's an easy trip. If Marquette still has a chance to win the Big East I'll be there, pissed pants and all.
Excellent Exposure for The Big East today. 2 games on Fox Broadcast Network. Cooley & Company traveling to The Johnnies at The Garden. Then the big U Conn Blue Jay brawl in Omaha .
MU wins and we are in sole possession of Big East lead.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2023, 06:37:52 AM
Here is the rule in question:
"Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exception: Rule 10-4.1.h)
1. The ball is on its downward flight; and
2. The ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder."
If you look at the phrase "flight" as it is used throughout the rulebook, I think the assumption is that it means that the ball has left the hands of the shooter. I am 99% sure that was called basket interference.
I'd love to hear an official explanation because there's definitely a lot of contention on that one. I've seen pretty credible arguments in both directions.
The relevant rule is basket interference and it clearly was. Forcibly touched the basket while ball was in the cylinder (as defined).
Section 15. Basket Interference and Goaltending
Art. 1. It is a violation to commit basket interference or goaltending.
Art. 2. Basket interference.
a. Basket interference occurs when a player:
1. Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket. If the touching of the basket involves contact with the net only, the official must determine if the touching had any effect on the ball which would rise to the level of basket interference;
2. Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has the ring as its lower base;
3. Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it enters the cylinder;
4. Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position; and
5. Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder.
b. The cylinder is the imaginary geometric figure that has the ring as its base and is formed by the upward extension of that ring.
c. The ball shall be considered to be within the basket when any part of the ball is below the cylinder and the level of the ring
. d. A player may have a hand legally in contact with the ball, when this contact continues after the ball enters the cylinder or when, during such action, the player touches or grabs the basket.
From Lavall Jordan:
Explanation of BUTLER/Xavier goal-tend: Part of the 🏀 is in cylinder when the 🏀 is touched by the defender. If offensive player dunking forces defender's 🤚🏾 into cylinder, there's no goaltending. In this case w/defender coming from behind that didn't occur. 🤷🏾♂️
So call was on Nunge, not Jones. In order to review basket interference or goaltending play, official has to call a violation. When they go to monitor they need indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the floor. Don't think I have ever seen a play like that at end of game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2023, 09:12:39 AM
From Lavall Jordan:
Explanation of BUTLER/Xavier goal-tend: Part of the 🏀 is in cylinder when the 🏀 is touched by the defender. If offensive player dunking forces defender's 🤚🏾 into cylinder, there's no goaltending. In this case w/defender coming from behind that didn't occur. 🤷🏾♂️
So call was on Nunge, not Jones. In order to review basket interference or goaltending play, official has to call a violation. When they go to monitor they need indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the floor. Don't think I have ever seen a play like that at end of game.
Interesting. Does Jordan say who his source is?
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2023, 09:15:05 AM
Interesting. Does Jordan say who his source is?
I'd point out he lost his job & isn't coaching
I have seen blocks like that before and I have never seen them called goaltending. But it was clearly basket interference.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2023, 06:23:06 AM
Absolutely. I was not surprised X lost yesterday. MU has the tools and the team to win the BEast outright and the most favorable schedule. Period and end of discussion. Let's get our mojo back in a few hours and back on track.
I don't think MU has a clear advantage in the schedule. The Top 4 teams have 2-3 games against the other ranked BE teams and then a mixed bag of the bottom 6(including Seton hall here because UConn is ranked team and better). MU plays Xavier at home and Creighton on the road.
Xavier plays @MU and @Providence. You could say as MU is playing one at home they have the advantage but I think Creighton is better than Providence so MU has a much harder game to win on the road.
Creighton has UConn and MU at home and then @Providence.
Providence has 3 ranked teams @UConn and then home against Xavier and Creighton.
If we assume the home team wins every game and they don't get upset by the bottom 6. Xavier goes 0-2. Providence goes 2-1. Creighton goes 2-1 and MU goes 1-1. This would mean a three way tie at the top. If anyone upsets on the road then it comes even harder to win outright. Moral of the story is if MU wants to win outright they need to win out the rest of the way. To tie they need to go 5-1 and either they beat both X and Creighton or get some help so as I said their schedule isn't that favorable.
I can't say Nova or Hall are that much better than the bottom 4 and it could be argued that Butler is playing better now so again I don't see the mixed bag of the bottom 6 favoring one of the top 4 or the other.
Coach K at St. John's game.
🤔
Hang in there, Johnnies!
Johnnies playing tough against Cooley & Company
Johnnie's up 9 with under 2
I used to hate Providence players, but watching the end of this game, I realize hate isn't strong enough word.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 11, 2023, 01:06:33 PM
I used to hate Providence players, but watching the end of this game, I realize hate isn't strong enough word.
They complain they were fouled on every play. It's something I'd hate to watch if they were my team.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 11, 2023, 01:06:33 PM
I used to hate Providence players, but watching the end of this game, I realize hate isn't strong enough word.
Most annoying team and fans in the conference by a wide margin.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 11, 2023, 01:08:55 PM
Most annoying team and fans in the conference by a wide margin.
The Hall says Hi
That time-out by Prov was unnecessary.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 11, 2023, 01:08:46 PM
They complain they were fouled on every play. It's something I'd hate to watch if they were my team.
Just emulating what their head coach does every second of every game
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
The Hall says Hi
Genuinely starting to think you're a providence fan
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 12:28:07 PM
Johnnies playing tough against Cooley & Company
The Greatest Coach Ever loses to a Johnnies team that Shaka crushed on the road.
I get a warm feeling when Providence loses.
The Johnnies with a win on Johnnie Day
Mike Anderson only one win away from extending his streak
Cooley & Company laid an egg
Another big result for MU. An even bigger game starting now — let's go Huskies.
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Providence gets Creighton and X at home, UConn on the road. Of note is a road game at StJ tomorrow which could be tricky imo.
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Tricky indeed!!!
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
The Hall says Hi
That's actually a good call. I was at the last BET game against them and their fans were huge douches.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 11, 2023, 01:08:55 PM
Most annoying team and fans in the conference by a wide margin.
And coach.
Quote from: BallBoy on February 11, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
I don't think MU has a clear advantage in the schedule. The Top 4 teams have 2-3 games against the other ranked BE teams and then a mixed bag of the bottom 6(including Seton hall here because UConn is ranked team and better). MU plays Xavier at home and Creighton on the road.
Xavier plays @MU and @Providence. You could say as MU is playing one at home they have the advantage but I think Creighton is better than Providence so MU has a much harder game to win on the road.
Creighton has UConn and MU at home and then @Providence.
Providence has 3 ranked teams @UConn and then home against Xavier and Creighton.
If we assume the home team wins every game and they don't get upset by the bottom 6. Xavier goes 0-2. Providence goes 2-1. Creighton goes 2-1 and MU goes 1-1. This would mean a three way tie at the top. If anyone upsets on the road then it comes even harder to win outright. Moral of the story is if MU wants to win outright they need to win out the rest of the way. To tie they need to go 5-1 and either they beat both X and Creighton or get some help so as I said their schedule isn't that favorable.
I can't say Nova or Hall are that much better than the bottom 4 and it could be argued that Butler is playing better now so again I don't see the mixed bag of the bottom 6 favoring one of the top 4 or the other.
Glass half empty guy.
Quote from: Tha Hound on February 11, 2023, 01:13:53 PM
Genuinely starting to think you're a providence fan
Nah, he is dead
Adams Sanogo 3-5 from 3 in the 1H as UConn down 2 at the break in Omaha
Quote from: DoctorV on February 11, 2023, 02:09:21 PM
Adams Sanogo 3-5 from 3 in the 1H as UConn down 2 at the break in Omaha
Theo like
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 11, 2023, 01:46:13 PM
Glass half empty guy.
No it's someone pointing out the schedule isn't what is going to win it for us.
There was no commentary on what was achievable or not so bad take kind of guy.
Enjoying this battle in Omaha.
Great D and offensive rebounding by UConn, but the Huskies can't shoot straight today.
Jordan Hawkins looks and acts like Greg Elliott lol
Damn he was on the line
That's a two
Kalkbrenner has 0 fouls today. Hasn't gotten 4 fouls in a game this year.
Marquette won't win if he's getting away with contact at his size. I guess we will worry about that when we get there!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2023, 03:08:44 PM
Kalkbrenner has 0 fouls today. Hasn't gotten 4 fouls in a game this year.
Marquette won't win if he's getting away with contact at his size. I guess we will worry about that when we get there!
I'm already worried because it's February, now I'm really worried
What did Danny draw up there?
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 11, 2023, 03:13:53 PM
What did Danny draw up there?
He called it the "get to the plane"
Big win for The Blue Jays. Continuing their winning streak .
The race for the Regular Season Big East Championship continues . I like MU position at the top of the league.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2023, 03:02:21 PM
Great D and offensive rebounding by UConn, but the Huskies can't shoot straight today.
Difference in the game. So many chances and just misfiring. Really hurts them that Jackson can't shoot.
What a luxury to have a beast like Sanogo on the boards.
If the jays play like this next time we see them, I think we win.
Too bad, it was close. I hope to God I don't have to root for Prov when Creighton goes there.
The obvious solution is to just beat X and the Jays.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 11, 2023, 03:26:25 PM
Too bad, it was close. I hope to God I don't have to root for Prov when Creighton goes there.
The obvious solution is to just beat X and the Jays.
Creighton goes there on Tuesday, you'll have to root for Providence.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2023, 03:08:44 PM
Kalkbrenner has 0 fouls today. Hasn't gotten 4 fouls in a game this year.
Marquette won't win if he's getting away with contact at his size. I guess we will worry about that when we get there!
Premature pants pissing is a part of the scoop experience.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2023, 09:15:05 AM
Interesting. Does Jordan say who his source is?
I'm going to guess it came from either the Big East or one of the referees. Jordan tweeted this from the Fox Sports desk because he was on the halftime show for the X/BU game. He was probably in contact with the announce crew that was in the building.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
I'm going to guess it came from either the Big East or one of the referees. Jordan tweeted this from the Fox Sports desk because he was on the halftime show for the X/BU game. He was probably in contact with the announce crew that was in the building.
Thanks.
In other news ... too bad Hawkins was wearing KD's shoes. Woulda loved to have seen UConn pull that one out. It's still all ahead for our alma mater, though. We're in great position!
Home game against us and their road match up against Providence, not withstanding, Creighton's schedule looks much more favorable than it once did. Yeah you need to win ok the road, but ending with GT and DePaul is a real gift
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 11, 2023, 04:47:42 PM
Home game against us and their road match up against Providence, not withstanding, Creighton's schedule looks much more favorable than it once did. Yeah you need to win ok the road, but ending with GT and DePaul is a real gift
The schedule sets up perfectly for us. We got to rest everyone today, come in fresh against Xavier. Then we get a week off before Creighton while they have to travel to Providence and St. John's, so crisscrossing the country in the week before our game.
After that, we have 2/3 at home (DePaul and St. John's) with a Butler road trip sandwiched in the middle. Can't ask for a much better schedule than that. Though admittedly, I'll be cheering hard for Providence on Tuesday.
Yep, really need Ed to come up with some more what is formerly known as the Dunk magic.
Hope the refs are active too.
Hope it's within 5 at the under 4 😂
I will be cheering for Kalk to foul out in the first 10 and for there to be a 50 FTA disparity as is canon
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2023, 03:08:44 PM
Kalkbrenner has 0 fouls today. Hasn't gotten 4 fouls in a game this year.
Marquette won't win if he's getting away with contact at his size. I guess we will worry about that when we get there!
He had two feet and his entire body in the semi circle defending and Driscoll called an offensive on Sanogo. That call happens less frequently than a three second violation.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 11, 2023, 05:29:18 PM
He had two feet and his entire body in the semi circle defending and Driscoll called an offensive on Sanogo. That call happens less frequently than a three second violation.
That was an offensive foul. Kalk was the primary defender and Sanogo initiated contact. That was a dumb play by Sanogo. He just had to go up
Big game for The Hall and Nova at The Wells Fargo Center .
The Hall needs to keep winning as they are in the first four out per Lunardi
Nova needs to keep improving with the return of Justin Moore and hope they can be in playing well enough to replicate what The Hoyas did a few years ago and win The BET.
From MU perspective I would prefer to see The Hall win since they have a hiring NET and we beat them twice already. Although not a big deal either way if Nova wins.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
The Hall says Hi
Providence players and SH fan base are the worst.
Villanova Seton Hall looks like every Wisconsin game.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2023, 07:24:09 PM
Villanova Seton Hall looks like every Wisconsin game.
Couple of observations:
1. Pretty sure Jay Wright knew this roster was flawed. Just not a good shooting team for Villanova standards and inefficient too many times down the court
2. Seton Hall looks a lot like Holloway's St. Peter's teams. Ugly on offense and mucking things up on defense
3. Can Nova find shooters for 23-24? Can Holloway coach better talent to be better on offense?
Hall down 37-32 to 'Nova. I think this game is do or die for their NCAA hopes. They need to go 4-2 the rest of the way, but if they lose at Villanova, that means they have to win four of five out of...
Georgetown
@ UConn
Xavier
Villanova
@ Providence
Two looks very doable, three looks reasonable, but if they need four of those? Good luck.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2023, 05:33:21 PM
That was an offensive foul. Kalk was the primary defender and Sanogo initiated contact. That was a dumb play by Sanogo. He just had to go up
Didn't say it wasn't as my footnote said. That said, Kalk is the only defender who gets that call.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 11, 2023, 08:39:25 PM
Didn't say it wasn't as my footnote said. That said, Kalk is the only defender who gets that call.
Fair
Nova in control of the game versus The Hall.
This Nova squad not up to prior years talents , however I think they could get hot and win a few in The BET.
Nova fans support their team at the Garden and fill the place up the further they go in the tournament .
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 11, 2023, 03:26:25 PM
Too bad, it was close. I hope to God I don't have to root for Prov when Creighton goes there.
The obvious solution is to just beat X and the Jays.
Beating Creighton there will be daunting. They just might win BEast.
Only way it happens for us is that we push tempo whole game. Run the legs out from Kalkenberger and we then can really dance
Quote from: willie warrior on February 11, 2023, 09:06:40 PM
Beating Creighton there will be daunting. They just might win BEast.
Only way it happens for us is that we push tempo whole game. Run the legs out from Kalkenberger and we then can really dance
McDermott does not have a lot of faith in his bench, so I think some full court pressure makes sense.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 11, 2023, 09:06:40 PM
Beating Creighton there will be daunting. They just might win BEast.
Only way it happens for us is that we push tempo whole game. Run the legs out from Kalkenberger and we then can really dance
Do you think Kalkenberger is better with or without lettuce?
The Hall came close to tieing it up on what could have potentially been 4 point play , when their shooter pump faked and shot a 3 .
That's pretty much it. Big East is a 5-bid league, barring a bid thief. No realistic path for any of the bottom six to get an at-large.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2023, 09:22:37 PM
That's pretty much it. Big East is a 5-bid league, barring a bid thief. No realistic path for any of the bottom six to get an at-large.
Seton Hall probably blew their chance the other nite when they went ice cold down the stretch against Creighton.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 11, 2023, 09:29:33 PM
Seton Hall probably blew their chance the other nite when they went ice cold down the stretch against Creighton.
No, had they won tonight, beat Georgetown and 'Nova at home, they would've just needed one of their other three games to get in. It's tonight that shuts the door because they aren't taking 2/3 out of @ UConn, Xavier, and @ Providence.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2023, 09:12:37 PM
Do you think Kalkenberger is better with or without lettuce?
With lettuce and the onions embedded in his kielbasa. Dont like the guy.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2023, 05:23:46 AM
With lettuce and the onions embedded in his kielbasa. Dont like the guy.
Huh
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/shatel-creighton-uconn-shows-what-this-version-of-the-big-east-is-all-about/article_5fe8c3f2-aa67-11ed-bebd-9346fbc6c543.html
Creighton at Cooley & Company. The Creighton Athletics Website article points out that Creighton has the best February record in The Big East dating back to 2020 .
Will be interesting to see what condition the floor will be in at The AMP (F/K/A The Dunc)
https://gocreighton.com/news/2023/2/13/-18-mens-basketball-opens-road-week-at-24-providence.aspx
I see a fair probability of a final four way tie atop the standings at 15-5....
Quote from: CAGASS24 on February 13, 2023, 03:01:21 PM
I see a fair probability of a final four way tie atop the standings at 15-5....
I think the league champion will end up with 3 or 4 losses at the most.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 13, 2023, 02:47:41 PM
Creighton at Cooley & Company. The Creighton Athletics Website article points out that Creighton has the best February record in The Big East dating back to 2020 .
Will be interesting to see what condition the floor will be in at The AMP (F/K/A The Dunc)
https://gocreighton.com/news/2023/2/13/-18-mens-basketball-opens-road-week-at-24-providence.aspx
Kalk got called for 2 fouls just stepping on the court for shootaround.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 13, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
Kalk got called for 2 fouls just stepping on the court for shootaround.
Let's hope so. But Creighton gets a pretty favorable whistle too, so we'll see.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2023, 04:55:08 PM
Let's hope so. But Creighton gets a pretty favorable whistle too, so we'll see.
It's gonna be fascinating to see which way the whistles go, because I would say these two teams benefit the most in the Big East from favorable officiating.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2023, 04:55:08 PM
Let's hope so. But Creighton gets a pretty favorable whistle too, so we'll see.
Kalkbrenner played 36 minutes on Saturday at home v. UConn WITHOUT A SINGLE FOUL.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 13, 2023, 05:23:16 PM
Kalkbrenner played 36 minutes on Saturday at home v. UConn WITHOUT A SINGLE FOUL.
When they played Xavier a few weeks back, they were called for one foul in the first 16 minutes of the second half. 😳
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 13, 2023, 05:23:16 PM
Kalkbrenner played 36 minutes on Saturday at home v. UConn WITHOUT A SINGLE FOUL.
Yup. Going up against Sanogo no less.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 13, 2023, 05:23:16 PM
Kalkbrenner played 36 minutes on Saturday at home v. UConn WITHOUT A SINGLE FOUL.
This is why I really want Shaka to win BECOY this year. The refs seem to give extra leash to coaches that have that award. Two of the last three winners are McDermott and Cooley.
The other is Mike Anderson, but they suck.
Butler at Nova should be a fun game . Both have little winning streaks going . So should be a classic Big East rock fight .
Sigh. Our coach has coached in a Final Four, at the University of Texas, and now at Marquette. This isn't some up and coming young guy that has to cut his teeth in the industry to get respect from officials. He (and Marquette) gets plenty of respect. Refs don't hate us. We got jobbed in one game at Providence. Sometimes that happens on the road over the course of a season.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 14, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
Sigh. Our coach has coached in a Final Four, at the University of Texas, and now at Marquette. This isn't some up and coming young guy that has to cut his teeth in the industry to get respect from officials. He (and Marquette) gets plenty of respect. Refs don't hate us. We got jobbed in one game at Providence. Sometimes that happens on the road over the course of a season.
It's actually a little more than one game. We are dead last in FTR in conference play at 24.3. That's after a recent three game streak (NOVA, BUT, @UCONN) of getting a lot of calls. Before that we were hovering close to 20 with the second worse team sitting at 25.2 (the third worst team is at 26 before there is group of five teams within a point of each other 28.2-29.2). Meanwhile, our season FTR is 26.9, meaning that in non-conference play we had a FTR significantly higher than 26.9.
Now that doesn't mean that Shaka is getting screwed because he hasn't won a coach of the year award. I don't buy that personally (though it likely wouldn't hurt). I think a more likely culprit is that Big East officials call things differently than other conferences and Shaka either hasn't been able to or has decided not to adjust to it. Theoretically, this should give us an advantage in March.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
This is why I really want Shaka to win BECOY this year. The refs seem to give extra leash to coaches that have that award. Two of the last three winners are McDermott and Cooley.
The other is Mike Anderson, but they suck.
I was curious about this. This is a really rudimentary analysis but I subtracted defensive FTR (how many fouls you get called for) from offensive FTR (how many fouls your opponent gets called for) to see who has had the biggest advantage at the line in conference play:
Georgetown 8.9 (maybe not even FTR matta!)
Creighton 8.7
Providence 7.7
Seton Hall 5.9
Butler 4.7
Xavier 1.9
Villanova 1.2
Marquette -7.3
St. John's -8.1
UConn -10.7
DePaul -13.5
So...in the Big East this year, FTs are either a positive for you or they are a huge negative.
Maybe Brew is on to something, of the 7 teams in the positive you have 7 guys with lengthy Big East histories, several of them dating back to their playing days. The four deep negatives are all guys who are new to the Big East in the past few years....and Dan Hurley who probably deserves it
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
I was curious about this. This is a really rudimentary analysis but I subtracted defensive FTR (how many fouls you get called for) from offensive FTR (how many fouls your opponent gets called for) to see who has had the biggest advantage at the line in conference play:
Georgetown 8.9 (maybe not even FTR matta!)
Creighton 8.7
Providence 7.7
Seton Hall 5.9
Butler 4.7
Xavier 1.9
Villanova 1.2
Marquette -7.3
St. John's -8.1
UConn -10.7
DePaul -13.5
So...in the Big East this year, FTs are either a positive for you or they are a huge negative.
Maybe Brew is on to something, of the 7 teams in the positive you have 7 guys with lengthy Big East histories, several of them dating back to their playing days. The four deep negatives are all guys who are new to the Big East in the past few years....and Dan Hurley who probably deserves it
And it's not like we're strictly a jump shooting team - plain and simple, we aren't getting as favorable a whistle as Creighton and Providence.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:23:02 PM
It's actually a little more than one game. We are dead last in FTR in conference play at 24.3. That's after a recent three game streak (NOVA, BUT, @UCONN) of getting a lot of calls. Before that we were hovering close to 20 with the second worse team sitting at 25.2 (the third worst team is at 26 before there is group of five teams within a point of each other 28.2-29.2). Meanwhile, our season FTR is 26.9, meaning that in non-conference play we had a FTR significantly higher than 26.9.
Now that doesn't mean that Shaka is getting screwed because he hasn't won a coach of the year award. I don't buy that personally (though it likely wouldn't hurt). I think a more likely culprit is that Big East officials call things differently than other conferences and Shaka either hasn't been able to or has decided not to adjust to it. Theoretically, this should give us an advantage in March.
MU was last in FTR last season too and it doesn't really look like Shaka teams have ever had a high FTR.
We get a lot of good looks, even at the rim. Part of me wonders if our offense is so efficient that even our shots at the rim are fairly open and less chances for fouls. At least earlier in the year, we had a lot of open Oso dunks or open backdoor plays.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
I was curious about this. This is a really rudimentary analysis but I subtracted defensive FTR (how many fouls you get called for) from offensive FTR (how many fouls your opponent gets called for) to see who has had the biggest advantage at the line in conference play:
Georgetown 8.9 (maybe not even FTR matta!)
Creighton 8.7
Providence 7.7
Seton Hall 5.9
Butler 4.7
Xavier 1.9
Villanova 1.2
Marquette -7.3
St. John's -8.1
UConn -10.7
DePaul -13.5
So...in the Big East this year, FTs are either a positive for you or they are a huge negative.
Maybe Brew is on to something, of the 7 teams in the positive you have 7 guys with lengthy Big East histories, several of them dating back to their playing days. The four deep negatives are all guys who are new to the Big East in the past few years....and Dan Hurley who probably deserves it
Given that Gtown and Butler are probably outliers because teams getting hammered tend to get a favorable whistle, especially in the 2nd half, I would say that it is significant that Creighton, Seton Hall, Villanova and Xavier haven't played at Providence yet.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:23:02 PM
It's actually a little more than one game. We are dead last in FTR in conference play at 24.3. That's after a recent three game streak (NOVA, BUT, @UCONN) of getting a lot of calls. Before that we were hovering close to 20 with the second worse team sitting at 25.2 (the third worst team is at 26 before there is group of five teams within a point of each other 28.2-29.2). Meanwhile, our season FTR is 26.9, meaning that in non-conference play we had a FTR significantly higher than 26.9.
Now that doesn't mean that Shaka is getting screwed because he hasn't won a coach of the year award. I don't buy that personally (though it likely wouldn't hurt). I think a more likely culprit is that Big East officials call things differently than other conferences and Shaka either hasn't been able to or has decided not to adjust to it. Theoretically, this should give us an advantage in March.
That's how the roster is built. We don't have bruisers and bangers and slashers. We have guys who shoot floaters, open dunks, and 3s.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
I was curious about this. This is a really rudimentary analysis but I subtracted defensive FTR (how many fouls you get called for) from offensive FTR (how many fouls your opponent gets called for) to see who has had the biggest advantage at the line in conference play:
Georgetown 8.9 (maybe not even FTR matta!)
Creighton 8.7
Providence 7.7
Seton Hall 5.9
Butler 4.7
Xavier 1.9
Villanova 1.2
Marquette -7.3
St. John's -8.1
UConn -10.7
DePaul -13.5
So...in the Big East this year, FTs are either a positive for you or they are a huge negative.
Maybe Brew is on to something, of the 7 teams in the positive you have 7 guys with lengthy Big East histories, several of them dating back to their playing days. The four deep negatives are all guys who are new to the Big East in the past few years....and Dan Hurley who probably deserves it
Lol man we go really deep to put our tin foil hats on here sometimes.
What "lengthy Big East history" have Sean Miller or Thad Matta had? They'd never coached a game in the Big East prior to this season. I'd argue Kyle Neptune at least has been an assistant coach in the Big East, but I doubt refs are favoring him for that either. And we're going to go back to playing days for Shaheen Halloway? So 4 of the 7 teams that have a positive are literally coaching their first games ever in the Big East.
But yes. MU gets screwed because Shaka hasn't been around enough to earn the respect of the refs, and doesn't have a BECOY award.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 14, 2023, 03:31:34 PM
That's how the roster is built. We don't have bruisers and bangers and slashers. We have guys who shoot floaters, open dunks, and 3s.
Lol man we go really deep to put our tin foil hats on here sometimes.
What "lengthy Big East history" have Sean Miller or Thad Matta had? They'd never coached a game in the Big East prior to this season. I'd argue Kyle Neptune at least has been an assistant coach in the Big East, but I doubt refs are favoring him for that either. And we're going to go back to playing days for Shaheen Halloway? So 4 of the 7 teams that have a positive are literally coaching their first games ever in the Big East.
False.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 14, 2023, 03:31:34 PM
What "lengthy Big East history" have Sean Miller had?
I mean Sean played at Pitt iirc
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
I mean Sean played at Pitt iirc
True.
But my eyes couldn't roll further back in my head at the idea that guys who finished their Big East playing days 22 years ago are getting better whistles than other coaches in the Big East. The woe is me attitude of the fanbase sometimes is absurd.
If it was Allen Iverson or if it's Patrick Ewing I guess I could see how people could talk themselves into that. They're legends and maybe the refs get caught up in that. But Shaheen Holloway or Sean Miller? Nah.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
I was curious about this. This is a really rudimentary analysis but I subtracted defensive FTR (how many fouls you get called for) from offensive FTR (how many fouls your opponent gets called for) to see who has had the biggest advantage at the line in conference play:
Georgetown 8.9 (maybe not even FTR matta!)
Creighton 8.7
Providence 7.7
Seton Hall 5.9
Butler 4.7
Xavier 1.9
Villanova 1.2
Marquette -7.3
St. John's -8.1
UConn -10.7
DePaul -13.5
So...in the Big East this year, FTs are either a positive for you or they are a huge negative.
Maybe Brew is on to something, of the 7 teams in the positive you have 7 guys with lengthy Big East histories, several of them dating back to their playing days. The four deep negatives are all guys who are new to the Big East in the past few years....and Dan Hurley who probably deserves it
Maybe its just because the coaches with long Big East histories understand how the refs call the games in this conference and build their teams accordingly. My guess is if Shaka wins BECOY, and plays the exact same style next season, we will be near last in FTR again.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 14, 2023, 03:31:34 PM
That's how the roster is built. We don't have bruisers and bangers and slashers. We have guys who shoot floaters, open dunks, and 3s.
Lol man we go really deep to put our tin foil hats on here sometimes.
What "lengthy Big East history" have Sean Miller or Thad Matta had? They'd never coached a game in the Big East prior to this season. I'd argue Kyle Neptune at least has been an assistant coach in the Big East, but I doubt refs are favoring him for that either. And we're going to go back to playing days for Shaheen Halloway? So 4 of the 7 teams that have a positive are literally coaching their first games ever in the Big East.
But yes. MU gets screwed because Shaka hasn't been around enough to earn the respect of the refs, and doesn't have a BECOY award.
I didn't mention it in the second post because I put it in the first post, I really don't buy into any of this. I was just curious if the numbers even backed up what Brew was saying. Turns out they do a little bit but I think that's better explained by style of play (like you said) and not adjusting to the Big East's style of reffing.
I was wrong about Matta. My head just thought "he coached at Butler and Xavier" without remembering that his time there predated them being in the Big East.
When they had Cooley & Company on the all miked up games, Ed Cooley spent about 75 percent of the game jaw boning refs . Multiply that vigorous harassment activity over the course of many years and am guessing that gives him some sort of advantage , even if it's only one or two calls a game .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 14, 2023, 04:27:27 PM
When they had Cooley & Company on the all miked up games, Ed Cooley spent about 75 percent of the game jaw boning refs . Multiply that vigorous harassment activity over the course of many years and am guessing that gives him some sort of advantage , even if it's only one or two calls a game .
Every coach works the officials. Shaka works the officials. Marquette fans ignore it because he's Marquette's coach. I guarantee fans of opposing teams believe Shaka "overworks" the officials
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Every coach works the officials. Shaka works the officials. Marquette fans ignore it because he's Marquette's coach. I guarantee fans of opposing teams believe Shaka "overworks" the officials
I just think we ignore it/don't notice because he gives off more subtle and casual body language when talking to them so it doesn't seem as aggressive and obnoxious.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 04:42:14 PM
I just think we ignore it/don't notice because he gives off more subtle and casual body language when talking to them so it doesn't seem as aggressive and obnoxious.
Different ways to handle it and no one way is the correct way, unless physically violent
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 14, 2023, 04:27:27 PM
When they had Cooley & Company on the all miked up games, Ed Cooley spent about 75 percent of the game jaw boning refs . Multiply that vigorous harassment activity over the course of many years and am guessing that gives him some sort of advantage , even if it's only one or two calls a game .
Even to the extent that he calls a timeout with 20 on the shot clock and the ball is still in the backcourt an it's not a violation.
Ok guys. MU has a chance to win the big east. If providence beats creighton tonight MU will have a bigger chance to win it for sure!
Creighton favored by 2.
Do I place a small reverse jinx bet on creighton so they lose?
Or do I bet a small chunk on providence cause I think provi might actually Win.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 14, 2023, 04:27:27 PM
When they had Cooley & Company on the all miked up games, Ed Cooley spent about 75 percent of the game jaw boning refs . Multiply that vigorous harassment activity over the course of many years and am guessing that gives him some sort of advantage , even if it's only one or two calls a game .
Cooley is a class act.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
Every coach works the officials. Shaka works the officials. Marquette fans ignore it because he's Marquette's coach. I guarantee fans of opposing teams believe Shaka "overworks" the officials
Cooley is working them during warm-ups, introductions, every whistle, during free throws, during time outs, and as they run by. Jay Wright was no different, maybe worse.
Big Opportunity tonight for Mike Anderson to keep his streak of non losing seasons going. Will be a battle for The Johnnies against The Blue Demons though on the road at Wintrust.
CU-PC is a high quality game so far.
I'm rooting for the Friars, but the consolation prize if they lose is that it lowers the possibility that MU would get the 4 seed in the conference tournament and be paired against UConn.
Quote from: wisblue on February 14, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
CU-PC is a high quality game so far.
I'm rooting for the Friars, but the consolation prize if they lose is that it lowers the possibility that MU would get the 4 seed in the conference tournament and be paired against UConn.
UConn would be the 6 if the season ended today, no?
Seton Hall beat them. They have to play again Saturday, but Hall is the 5 as of now.
Hey Herman. Is it possible your boy Ed Cooley actually is on creighton payroll?
How do they not go inside against Brian Kalkenberger at least once in the last 5 min when he has 2 fouls?
They are going to need one of Hopkins or Bynum to have a big second half to pull it off
Quote from: fjm on February 14, 2023, 06:50:39 PM
Hey Herman. Is it possible your boy Ed Cooley actually is on creighton payroll?
How do they not go inside against Brian Kalkenberger at least once in the last 5 min when he has 2 fouls?
It has been chronicled that Cooley and McDermott are very close friends .
Quote from: wisblue on February 14, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
CU-PC is a high quality game so far.
I'm rooting for the Friars, but the consolation prize if they lose is that it lowers the possibility that MU would get the 4 seed in the conference tournament and be paired against UConn.
Switched to bucks at half but saw they talked about player of year
Kolek mentioned??
Quote from: dajudge on February 14, 2023, 07:02:50 PM
Switched to bucks at half but saw they talked about player of year
Kolek mentioned??
Yes. He was the very first one mentioned!
Quote from: dajudge on February 14, 2023, 07:02:50 PM
Switched to bucks at half but saw they talked about player of year
Kolek mentioned??
He was Lavall's current leader
Quote from: Miss Katie's on February 14, 2023, 07:07:34 PM
Yes. He was the very first one mentioned!
Nice! And I think accurate.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 06:44:42 PM
UConn would be the 6 if the season ended today, no?
Seton Hall beat them. They have to play again Saturday, but Hall is the 5 as of now.
The season doesn't end today and I am expecting that, based on the remaining schedules and the quality of the teams, UConn will claim the 5 seed.
What a game.
The top of the Big East is a joy to watch.
yep, both teams playing hard and smart.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 14, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
What a game.
The top of the Big East is a joy to watch.
Yes, both teams very impressive tonight.
Kalky with a brain fart kick-out there.
Yeah this Jays - Dence game is great.
Really want Cooley and the gang to get the W for us. But man either loser of this game is gonna be heart broken
PC walking it up - tired? The CU turns it over X 2. Hard to figure.
Hopkins getting erased tonight.
Kalky might be eliminating him from the POY race
Two huge shots from Nembhard.
Now what?
Wow. The kid is on fire.
This Providence defense is putrid. Hard to understand how MU didn't torch them, even at the Dunk.
Man.
Creighton about to escape with another close win?
Come on providence.
What a pitiful possession from Providence.
Absolutely abysmal possession by Prov there.
And with a TO in hand. Putrid coaching by Cooley as you could clearly see they had no idea what to set up.
Awful possession there for Providence. Why? And Bynum held the ball for like 20 secs.
Good grief.
Wow. Great D from Cooley
Great trap!
Was that over and back?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 14, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
Awful possession there for Providence. Why? And Bynum held the ball for like 20 secs.
13 second differential too. So holding it makes no sense because regardless Creighton gets loads of time.
Made up for it with that D possession there though. That was impressive.
How about Ed calling a trap there?!
Fantastic stuff
Did Cooley and McDermott simulataneously fail and/or pass the test(s)
They won't review that goaltending call?? Wow.
That didn't look like goaltending to me.
Didnt see goaltending there
Terrible D on Nembhard imo.
The one time in the last two years the Prov is doing everything to not put a game away in final 2 minutes, is when we want them.
That last possession by Bynum should have him benched.
Creighton realizing, driving on the Prov D is basically a auto bucket and/or foul.
Gonna have to hope they settle for a shot
Announcers "If you are here for DePaul St. John's "
My thought was why?
Bynum is brutal holy hell.
Stop giving him the ball in these late situations.
Does Providence have a time-out? If so why did they wait like 8 secs?
That was ugly.
My god
As I said, the one game Prov decides to forget how to execute is when we need it.
Hopkins f'd up 2x
D holds again.
Hell of a job by Carter.
Good lord, Providence's offense is terrible to watch. Their shot selection is awful. No situational awareness, no patience, just poorly coached all around. Really makes me appreciate this Marquette team even more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 08:16:58 PM
Good lord, Providence's offense is terrible to watch. Their shot selection is awful. No situational awareness, no patience, just poorly coached all around. Really makes me appreciate this Marquette team even more.
They play hard though...effort does them well.
I feel like nobody has missed a free throw.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 08:16:58 PM
Good lord, Providence's offense is terrible to watch. Their shot selection is awful. No situational awareness, no patience, just poorly coached all around. Really makes me appreciate this Marquette team even more.
The lack of situational awareness is glaring. They seemed to have no clue they only had 7 seconds on the shot clock coming out of a timeout. Just nuts.
Love Carter...
The worst lack of awareness is every player and Cooley not realizing Carter should have the ball at all times. And Bynum should go sit in the corner and pick his ass
Bynum should never shoot again.
The self-loathing of rooting for Prov is worth it if Jays get another L.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 14, 2023, 08:21:59 PM
Bynum should never shoot again.
The self-loathing of rooting for Prov is worth it if Jays get another L.
This, all of this. I'm gonna need a shower after this.
Hopefully Scheirmann shoots 8/11 from deep on Saturday rather than against us.
Cause hes gonna be due.
Have I mentioned how much I like this Providence team?
Gotta do our own job tomorrow now
Good bounce back in the second OT.
I can't stand providence. But I am thankful for them tonight.
Watching the end of Prov vs CU - "Clutch" Ed Copley's team was horrific on offense. Just awful execution. But, they'll skate out with a win nonetheless. Good for MU!
No subs for either team until 45 seconds left for Providence in both Overtime's.
Basically ten players played mid second half and 2 OTs straight.
Players exhausted, beat up, tired, all shots short, mental mistakes, missed free throws.
MU would have used some bench guys. Good win for MU standings.
Whew.
Good to see some Big East hate forming amongst the member schools. The kumbaya post-reformation was nice, but time for some good old-fashioned rivalries
Great game.
Was this good for the Big East?
Excellent win for Cooley & Company. Helps MU's Cause.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2023, 08:31:12 PM
Good to see some Big East hate forming amongst the member schools. The kumbaya post-reformation was nice, but time for some good old-fashioned rivalries
Agree. Want that "Go Big East" spirit but also the "we despise you and your fans" spirit.
Let's take care of business tomorrow nite against X and get in the driver's seat for the Big East title!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2023, 07:58:21 PM
Did Cooley and McDermott simulataneously fail and/or pass the test(s)
Fail
Love the transition from Providence creighton to the DePaul game.
From a crAzed ramped up fan base to an arena with maybe 1k people. MAAAYBE.
Reminds me of a G-League game.
Quote from: fjm on February 14, 2023, 08:37:49 PM
Love the transition from Providence creighton to the DePaul game.
From a crAzed ramped up fan base to an arena with maybe 1k people. MAAAYBE.
I honestly thought my audio went bad for a second...until I remembered who was playing
Villanova will have something to say about the final standings.
Their last 5 games are @Providence, @Xavier, Creighton, @Seton Hall, UConn
The @Butler game is going to be a slog
Friars 9-1 in OT games under Cooley. Dude is annoying but he gets results.
Quote from: wisblue on February 14, 2023, 08:45:15 PM
Villanova will have something to say about the final standings.
Their last 5 games are @Providence, @Xavier, Creighton, @Seton Hall, UConn
Yikes, don't like their chances in any of those.
Quote from: LAZER on February 14, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Yikes, don't like their chances in any of those.
They played Creighton super tough in Omaha, so they'll have a punchers' chance in that game - probably not the road games.
Unfortunately for Coach Cooley they won by too much, so his record in games decided by 5 or less doesn't improve...
All kidding aside, I meant to mention earlier today that because of all the homes games they have left, I feel like Providence is being a bit disrespected in the "odds to win the conference" conversations.
Not that I care, because Marquette is gonna win the damn thing, but Providence is tough as nails at home and they are defending whats currently theirs.
They probably don't care, they weren't thought of highly all of last season.
I think after tonight's result Creighton, with those road games at StJ and Nova, and home game versus Marquette, have a tougher stretch than Providence with a tough home slate and extremely tough road game at UConn.
Hopefully all of X, Providence, and Creighton end up with 5 or 6 losses and Marquette ends up with 4 or less!
Quote from: fjm on February 14, 2023, 08:37:49 PM
Love the transition from Providence creighton to the DePaul game.
From a crAzed ramped up fan base to an arena with maybe 1k people. MAAAYBE.
Sad really. I'm from Chicago. This is going back a long time, but back in the Aguire Cummings, etc days, tickets to the Blue Deamons were hard to get.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 14, 2023, 08:55:03 PM
Unfortunately for Coach Cooley they won by too much, so his record in games decided by 5 or less doesn't improve...
All kidding aside, I meant to mention earlier today that because of all the homes games they have left, I feel like Providence is being a bit disrespected in the "odds to win the conference" conversations.
Not that I care, because Marquette is gonna win the damn thing, but Providence is tough as nails at home and they are defending whats currently theirs.
They probably don't care, they weren't thought of highly all of last season.
I think after tonight's result Creighton, with those road games at StJ and Nova, and home game versus Marquette, have a tougher stretch than Providence with a tough home slate and extremely tough road game at UConn.
Hopefully all of X, Providence, and Creighton end up with 5 or 6 losses and Marquette ends up with 4 or less!
Its not impossible they win it but its going to be tough. Even after todays win.
They are 1 loss behind us. They have X at home just like us. We play at Creighton and they play at Uconn so thats basically a wash.
We get Depaul and SJU at home. They have Nova and SHU. Thats definitely an edge to us.
We play at Butler they play at Gtown. Thats a edge to them.
So we have one game in hand and a slightly easier finishing schedule even if records were equal. Then you factor in beating Creighton only brought that to a tie. And X is still ahead of them.
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 14, 2023, 08:47:38 PM
Friars 9-1 in OT games under Cooley. Dude is annoying but he gets results.
Shaka should have never lost that game to Cooley.
Nova climbs back to .500 with win over The Bulldogs .
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 14, 2023, 08:56:09 PM
Sad really. I'm from Chicago. This is going back a long time, but back in the Aguire Cummings, etc days, tickets to the Blue Deamons were hard to get.
Back in that time, I heard a student went into the steam tunnels late one Friday night and popped up in the Mecca. Rumor was he was detained as the security guard was convinced he was trying to sneak into the Mecca to see the game the next day. Thankfully, the student pleaded ignorance and the guard agreed. ;D
Or so I've been told. ;D
Fun game to watch from a semi-detached POV. Obviously, I wanted The Provi to win, but I really enjoyed the outstanding plays by both teams -- and scratched my head at some of the dumb stuff.
Kalkbrenner passing up a dunk to set up Scheierman for a fade-away 3 (that was missed) stands out to me for some reason; reminded me of Bobby Simmons in the playoffs for the Sixers. Just dunk it! Kalkbrenner made up for it with a spectacular two-hand block of Hopkins. Nembhardt totally taking over the game for about 5 minutes. Really nice plays by Carter. Some incredibly poor clock management by Providence on several possessions. That great trap called by Cooley and executed perfectly by his players.
And the right team winning.
After we win tomorrow, we assume control of the Big East race.
Thank you, Ed Cooley and the Friars.
Now let's take care of business tomorrow night!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2023, 08:31:12 PM
Good to see some Big East hate forming amongst the member schools. The kumbaya post-reformation was nice, but time for some good old-fashioned rivalries
+1
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 14, 2023, 08:56:09 PM
Sad really. I'm from Chicago. This is going back a long time, but back in the Aguire Cummings, etc days, tickets to the Blue Deamons were hard to get.
Sad seeing the montage of great DePaul players. The most recent one was from the 1980's.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 14, 2023, 09:08:07 PM
Back in that time, I heard a student went into the steam tunnels late one Friday night and popped up in the Mecca. Rumor was he was detained as the security guard was convinced he was trying to sneak into the Mecca to see the game the next day. Thankfully, the student pleaded ignorance and the guard agreed. ;D
Or so I've been told. ;D
Pix or it didn't happen
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2023, 10:03:29 PM
Pix or it didn't happen
Thankfully a time when recorded pictures of stupidity was rare.
OT for St John's DePaul. Isn't there something about cruel and unusual punishment?
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 14, 2023, 10:21:23 PM
OT for St John's DePaul. Isn't there something about cruel and unusual punishment?
The two hundred fans there seem to enjoy it.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2023, 10:03:29 PM
Pix or it didn't happen
It didn't happen. Those tunnels are locked at every entrance. The tunnels are filled with large pipes which carry 400+ degree steam. A very hot and dangerous place for those trained to be there. Sorry, but no members of the public are randomly accessing the tunnels as an alternate route home from the bars.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 14, 2023, 10:29:43 PM
The two hundred fans there seem to enjoy it.
It's pretty high comedy.
The Hall with a win that helps their win loss optics .
Looking over Villanova's final 5 games... would be nice for them to find their form and run the table... not likely, but they will have a role to play in who finishes at the top of the standings.
Quote from: noblewarrior on February 15, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Looking over Villanova's final 5 games... would be nice for them to find their form and run the table... not likely, but they will have a role to play in who finishes at the top of the standings.
Hell it would be helpful if they win 2 or 3 of those games. Especially if SHU isnt one of them.
Quote from: noblewarrior on February 15, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Looking over Villanova's final 5 games... would be nice for them to find their form and run the table... not likely, but they will have a role to play in who finishes at the top of the standings.
They'd be in if they did- has to be motivating
Must win game for The Hall against U Conn
Rooting for the underdogs today, but expect DePaul to get absolutely pummeled today.
Quote from: Badgerhater on February 18, 2023, 10:43:47 AM
Rooting for the underdogs today, but expect DePaul to get absolutely pummeled today.
I wouldn't want to be DePaul today. Think X is going to take a lot of frustration out on them
Go DePaul, Villanova, and St. John's.
I'd love to guarantee at least a share of the Conference Title next weekend against DePaul. Why not!?!
Solid win for The Huskies over The Hall
I'd love to see Villanova find a rhythm as their next 3 games are against PC, Xavier, and Creighton. They have played the top teams tough, but just keep falling short. They could be a big ally for MU these last two weeks.
Quote from: wisblue on February 18, 2023, 02:20:33 PM
I'd love to see Villanova find a rhythm as their next 3 games are against PC, Xavier, and Creighton. They have played the top teams tough, but just keep falling short. They could be a big ally for MU these last two weeks.
They don't want to help us become The Next Villanova!
Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
They don't want to help us become The Next Villanova!
Nova hates us
X taking out some frustration on DP
Nova down 5 at the half. Would be nice if they pull one out.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 18, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
Nova down 5 at the half. Would be nice if they pull one out.
Paging 4ever
Quote from: noblewarrior on February 15, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Looking over Villanova's final 5 games... would be nice for them to find their form and run the table... not likely, but they will have a role to play in who finishes at the top of the standings.
Would be surprised. They are so poorly coached. They should hit the reset button on that fiasco.
X avenges their loss earlier this season to The Blue Demons
I'm surprised by Nova's inability to win basketball games. Sure their coaching may be bad, but these are Final Four players. Really really good basketball players that just can't find ways to win.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
I'm surprised by Nova's inability to win basketball games. Sure their coaching may be bad, but these are Final Four players. Really really good basketball players that just can't find ways to win.
I think we know better than most the impact coaching can have.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
I'm surprised by Nova's inability to win basketball games. Sure their coaching may be bad, but these are Final Four players. Really really good basketball players that just can't find ways to win.
Not many have won in that place though
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2023, 05:25:54 PM
Not many have won in that place though
Nova got close, so here come the officials.
I think Nova will be just fine long term. Their roster wasn't good enough at the beginning of the year. Now healthy, they are competing with the best teams in the Big East on the road.
60 ft of back to back 3's for Providence should ice it.
Cooley & Company with another win at The Amp. Tremendous crowd support really helps their cause .
Could St.John's help us?
Blue Jay Johnnie game at Carnesecca could be a real rock fight .
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
I'm surprised by Nova's inability to win basketball games. Sure their coaching may be bad, but these are Final Four players. Really really good basketball players that just can't find ways to win.
We're doing this again? They lost the 2 best players (Samuels and Gilliespe) from the FF team. The 3rd best player, Justin Moore, is back but a shell of himself and not close to 100%. He averaged 15 a game switch an eFG of 49%, 36% from behind the arc. That's down to 8.6 PPG on 39% EFG and 26% from 3 since he's been back.
Daniels has stepped up, but Slater was a role player who still is just a role player, and they have no depth. Whitmore is good but he's a mercurial freshman. Given the roster and injuries, even with Wright, this isn't a FF roster and likely 3rd or 4th in conference at best.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 18, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
We're doing this again? They lost the 2 best players (Samuels and Gilliespe) from the FF team. The 3rd best player, Justin Moore, is back but a shell of himself and not close to 100%. He averaged 15 a game switch an eFG of 49%, 36% from behind the arc. That's down to 8.6 PPG on 39% EFG and 26% from 3 since he's been back.
Daniels has stepped up, but Slater was a role player who still is just a role player, and they have no depth. Whitmore is good but he's a mercurial freshman. Given the roster and injuries, even with Wright, this isn't a FF roster and likely 3rd or 4th in conference at best.
Some would argue we lost our two best players.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2023, 04:48:28 PM
Paging 4ever
Eye'm heer fore ya kemosabe. Takes lottsa mental strength ta pull out, hey?
Blue Jays with a nice run. When they play fast and move the ball it's always impressive .
Johnnies pull to within 2 .
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2023, 07:13:56 PM
Eye'm heer fore ya kemosabe. Takes lottsa mental strength ta pull out, hey?
Lost art
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2023, 08:26:44 PM
They have some issues for sure.
Johnnies throwing the ball all over the place...sloppy and careless unforced turnovers. Had a chance but gave way too many possessions away while Creighton wasn't scoring. Good news - Creighton looks pretty gassed.
Creighton has looked like dogcrap the last two games, which means they'll be the 1973 UCLA Bruins on Tuesday.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 18, 2023, 08:29:21 PM
Johnnies throwing the ball all over the place...sloppy and careless unforced turnovers. Had a chance but gave way too many possessions away while Creighton wasn't scoring. Good news - Creighton looks pretty gassed.
St. John's might not make the NIT
No help from the Big East's bottom half today. Feels like Marquette will have to go 4-0 to win the Big East alone or even just lock up the #1 BET seed.
Quote from: TwoWords on February 18, 2023, 08:37:37 PM
No help from the Big East's bottom half today. Feels like Marquette will have to go 4-0 to win the Big East alone or even just lock up the #1 BET seed.
Most likely. I don't think anyone else is beating Creighton. Villanova is only good enough to lose close.
Quote from: wisblue on February 18, 2023, 08:40:22 PM
Most likely. I don't think anyone else is beating Creighton. Villanova is only good enough to lose close.
Nova is the only one with a prayer. Other than us, of course. Let's make it happen.
Blue Jays made a nice run last five minutes of game .
Should be a great game Tuesday night
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2023, 08:47:00 PM
Blue Jays made a nice run last five minutes of game .
Should be a great game Tuesday night
Good run by Creighton coupled with incredibly undisciplined play from St John's.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 18, 2023, 09:38:33 PM
Good run by Creighton coupled with incredibly undisciplined play from St John's.
That's a much nicer description than what I was thinking, but if I wrote what I thought, the mods would nail me for the words I would have used. Until whatever the Hell that was, SJ had a chance of pulling off the upset. Not saying a great chance, but it was doable.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2023, 09:58:34 PM
That's a much nicer description than what I was thinking, but if I wrote what I thought, the mods would nail me for the words I would have used. Until whatever the Hell that was, SJ had a chance of pulling off the upset. Not saying a great chance, but it was doable.
Yes
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 19, 2023, 12:00:01 AM
Yes
Anderson's great coaching on full display. But remember...."he's never had a losing season!" Who cares? He's a loser as a coach.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 19, 2023, 12:00:01 AM
Yes
Cease and desist statements of whether a win remains "doable".
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 19, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
Cease and desist statements of whether a win remains "doable".
Or
what?
Poor PR in The Post for The Johnnies after Creighton loss.
Article speaks to Curbelo DNP Coaches Decision and Pinzon suspended . Picture of Curbelo at game in sunglasses .
Also discusses Anderson large buyout number as job security of sorts........
https://nypost.com/2023/02/18/st-johns-falls-to-creighton-as-two-stars-dont-play/
Sounds like the St. John's AD needs to be fired for that contract extension, too.
Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2023, 08:48:43 AM
Sounds like the St. John's AD needs to be fired for that contract extension, too.
I'd like to propose Big East relegation
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 19, 2023, 07:47:02 AM
Or what?
He will invoice me and his invoices are painful. He knows where I live, no escaping him.
Looks like a good crowd will be at Hinkle today as The Bulldogs face the Hoyas . If Manny Bates can't play though it may be an opportunity for another Hoya win.
https://www.kxnet.com/scoreboard/butler-aims-to-take-care-of-business-vs-lowly-georgetown/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 19, 2023, 11:19:34 AM
Looks like a good crowd will be at Hinkle today as The Bulldogs face the Hoyas . If Manny Bates can't play though it may be an opportunity for another Hoya win.
https://www.kxnet.com/scoreboard/butler-aims-to-take-care-of-business-vs-lowly-georgetown/amp/
Now there is a game that impacts.....absolutely....nothing.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 19, 2023, 11:28:59 AM
Now there is a game that impacts.....absolutely....nothing.
It does to the student athletes playing in the game
Dickie Simpkins on the call for The Bulldog Hoya game. Always must watch TV for me.
You stay classy Providence fans.
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1627092653883142145?s=46&t=F1oyXY-l-LFTz2YzWxd_wg
Embarrassing from the Providence students. Beer thrown on the court and all over the media section. Got drenched and got beer all over my laptop.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 19, 2023, 02:09:46 PM
You stay classy Providence fans.
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1627092653883142145?s=46&t=F1oyXY-l-LFTz2YzWxd_wg
Embarrassing from the Providence students. Beer thrown on the court and all over the media section. Got drenched and got beer all over my laptop.
Shouldn't we support PC fans harassing the media that hates us?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2023, 02:13:22 PM
Shouldn't we support PC fans harassing the media that hates us?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Hoyas up 2 40 seconds left....
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 19, 2023, 02:09:46 PM
You stay classy Providence fans.
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1627092653883142145?s=46&t=F1oyXY-l-LFTz2YzWxd_wg
Embarrassing from the Providence students. Beer thrown on the court and all over the media section. Got drenched and got beer all over my laptop.
That's to get back at all the media memebers calling them lucky last year
Hoyas get the win
Dickie Simpkins willed them to victory :)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2023, 08:35:42 PM
St. John's might not make the NIT
If they lose out and leave the Big East Tourney 16-16, I don't think they'd accept the invite. Can't risk Mike Anderson's no losing seasons streak.
Preview of tonights Nova at X game. Key game for X to stay within range of Big East lead.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2023/02/20/can-no-16-xavier-protect-home-court-against-villanova/69923402007/
I think Nova gets them tonight
Providence has a good chance for a loss tomorrow at UConn.
Xavier has two good chances for a loss this week with Nova visiting and having to go to Seton Hall on Friday (considering their injury issues).
We beat Creighton, UConn beats Providence, and X goes 1-1 over the next three days....and we are playing DePaul at home to lock up a guaranteed share of the conference title on Saturday.
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Knower of ball dreaming big, love to see it.
Knower of dreams.
Xavier sleepwalks through the last 6 min of the half. 2 points on a putback off a brick until a Boum prayer from the logo to end the half. Nova was horrible early which is why they are still down 6
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Providence has a good chance for a loss tomorrow at UConn.
Xavier has two good chances for a loss this week with Nova visiting and having to go to Seton Hall on Friday (considering their injury issues).
We beat Creighton, UConn beats Providence, and X goes 1-1 over the next three days....and we are playing DePaul at home to lock up a guaranteed share of the conference title on Saturday.
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Let's go for the flush and win it outright.
muwarrior69 who knows squat but can still hope.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 21, 2023, 06:18:44 PM
Xavier sleepwalks through the last 6 min of the half. 2 points on a putback off a brick until a Boum prayer from the logo to end the half. Nova was horrible early which is why they are still down 6
Kind of hilarious looking at my CBS Sports App for where they marked that Boum Prayer . It was almost exactly a half court shot .
Enjoy listening to Coach Miller in the huddle .
Justin Moore is back....
WTF?? That was not a travel on Dixon.
Sean Miller and Kyle Neptune just got in each other's faces at half court, for those not watching.
Replay made it look a bit more questionable. Though nowhere near as blatant as Kunkel's.
Frickin moore
Trash can Dixon should give up the rock or learn to dribble
X just lost any chance at sole possession of the BE title
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 21, 2023, 07:31:01 PM
X just lost any chance at sole possession of the BE title
Boum didn't lower the Boom there. Poor decision.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 21, 2023, 07:32:14 PM
Boum didn't lower the Boom there. Poor decision.
Was unfortunate for the young man
Fantastic
Let's go!! WIN TONIGHT.
Horrible take by Boum. You can't chuck up a prayer and beg for a foul
Quote from: JWags85 on February 21, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
Horrible take by Boum. You can't chuck up a prayer and beg for a foul
Boum had a great game against Marquette until the end of the game, but he's been less and less effective in the last 3/4 weeks.
It's been a large reason for their struggles of late, on top of the injuries
Marquette won.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with tonight's results...
Marquette clinches a share of the Big East title with a Providence loss tomorrow at UConn and a win at home vs DePaul Saturday?
Marquette clinches the outright title with three wins, or two wins and at least one Providence loss (or I suppose 1 win and more X, CU, and PC losses)?
All of that is correct.
It'd be cool to win the BE outright and I'm not trying to start anything by asking, but does it really matter if it's outright or split from a records standpoint? I'd think we'd be considered BE champs either way but it'd still be awesome to be the only team.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 21, 2023, 10:12:18 PM
It'd be cool to win the BE outright and I'm not trying to start anything by asking, but does it really matter if it's outright or split from a records standpoint? I'd think we'd be considered BE champs either way but it'd still be awesome to be the only team.
Just looks better not having that tie. We forsure get the 1 seed. Which may matter to avoid a team like Nova game 1. But also puts us with Uconn.
Mostly though, it would be the first time doing it. Just cool to take it from everyone.
Exactly. Hanging a banner either way. But why not beat up on some inferior teams and take it solo?
Going into today, the top 4 Big East teams were undefeated at home in conference play. And then ...
MU has all but locked up the number 1 seed for the BET tourney.
They could move even closer if UConn beats Providence tomorrow.
To lose it I think they would then have to lose all 3 remaining games or lose 2 and end up in a tie at 15-5 that includes Xavier.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Providence has a good chance for a loss tomorrow at UConn.
Xavier has two good chances for a loss this week with Nova visiting and having to go to Seton Hall on Friday (considering their injury issues).
We beat Creighton, UConn beats Providence, and X goes 1-1 over the next three days....and we are playing DePaul at home to lock up a guaranteed share of the conference title on Saturday.
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Two down, one to go
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Haha great stuff
Kolek 'em, aina?
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
Going into today, the top 4 Big East teams were undefeated at home in conference play. And then ...
The league realized the committee looks at road wins more than home losses, so the fix was in. Hopefully, its in for tonight as well.
X is definitely missing Zach Freemantle.
Big Opportunity Game for The Johnnies and The Hoyas Tonight . Johnnies can clinch a winning season with the win and keep their fragile NIT hopes alive.Georgetown has opportunity for a two game winning streak .
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 22, 2023, 08:26:41 AM
X is definitely missing Zach Freemantle.
Hoping he can come back - I want to see all of the BE teams do well in the tournament.
Butler at DePaul game gives our MU coaching staff an efficient vehicle to scout our next two opponents .
Staying focused one game at a time.
I'm not sure how they do it but I like watching PU
Huskies in a battle with Cooley & Company. Love these Big East rock fights .
I know intellectually that I want Providence to lose. It is just really difficult to make myself root for UConn.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2023, 06:52:59 PM
I know intellectually that I want Providence to lose. It is just really difficult to make myself root for UConn.
I just told my wife that rooting for UConn made me feel like I needed a shower.
Both Prov and UCONN look really good. What a conference.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2023, 05:50:53 PM
I'm not sure how they do it but I like watching PU
Y wood ya like watching Pepperdine, hey?
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 22, 2023, 06:56:58 PM
Both Prov and UCONN look really good. What a conference.
Going through 20 game season of dog fights has Big East well positioned for NCAA tournament success.
The Big East is a joy to watch. The conference reformation has gone as good as anyone could have hoped.
Clingan is going to be a monster if he sticks around for another couple years.
Looking like we're gonna have a 2 game lead with 3 to play.
Good Uconn is back.
Not ideal for us in the BE semis.
But great for the league. Providence has absolutely no answer to this run
Good UConn is capable of cutting down the nets. Can they do it for 6 games?
They were 14-0 for a reason.
Hurley sending a message about the BE not getting the respect it deserves and he's right
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 22, 2023, 07:37:28 PM
Hurley sending a message about the BE not getting the respect it deserves and he's right
What did he say?
It's been a good week for MU. The last time things were looking this good, some petulant prick wrote a letter.
The good news is twofold. For one, I don't think we have a similar jerk to write it. Secondly, we now have a coach who a) wouldn't provoke such a letter, and b) would handle it without the team dissolving.
I like our odds.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2023, 07:39:52 PM
What did he say?
They asked him about not being in the top 16 bracket special and he said the top 5 BE is as good as any conference in the country but the BE doesn't get the credit it deserves
In the DePaul/Butler game, Lisa Byington looks like she's wearin' her bathrobe to call da game and Devin Harris has gotten fat, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 22, 2023, 07:44:50 PM
In the DePaul/Butler game, Lisa Byington looks like she's wearin' her bathrobe to call da game and Devin Harris has gotten fat, hey?
House coat, Mrs. Lubner.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2023, 05:50:53 PM
I'm not sure how they do it but I like watching PU
Unless you're talking about Purdue or Princeton, don't let a Friar fan hear you say that. They will very quickly inform you that it's Providence College (PC).
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 22, 2023, 07:44:50 PM
In the DePaul/Butler game, Lisa Byington looks like she's wearin' her bathrobe to call da game and Devin Harris has gotten fat, hey?
Sexist!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 22, 2023, 07:44:50 PM
In the DePaul/Butler game, Lisa Byington looks like she's wearin' her bathrobe to call da game and Devin Harris has gotten fat, hey?
Yes saw devin behind the desk on some show.....I had to flip back when i heard his name announced....I said old boy put on a few lbs.
Love hearing The Blue Demons Coach in the sideline huddle . Cracks me up.
Apparently beer is cheaper in Gampel.
No Marquette student could afford to do this in the Fiserv.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpnflskaYAACaOY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Also, love that bucket hat in the foreground.
Watching DePaul and Butler at Wintrust reminds me of watching a G league game.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2023, 08:52:39 PM
Watching DePaul and Butler at Wintrust reminds me of watching a G league game.
is it worse than Wisky/Iowa? Or UNC/ND?
Indifferent basketball in an empty arena.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 22, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
Apparently beer is cheaper in Gampel.
No Marquette student could afford to do this in the Fiserv.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpnflskaYAACaOY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Also, love that bucket hat in the foreground.
It was $2 beer night.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2023, 11:43:10 PM
Two down, one to go
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3 for 3. Now beat Depaul
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 22, 2023, 09:20:04 PM
3 for 3. Now beat Depaul
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Almighty 🏀 Knower has spoken!
Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
It was $2 beer night.
Fiserv would never have a $2 beer night. And certainly not with Miller products.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 22, 2023, 09:22:56 PM
Fiserv would never have a $2 beer night. And certainly not with Miller products.
Is the best we've gotten $3 Hamms before the game?
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 22, 2023, 09:29:48 PM
Is the best we've gotten $3 Hamms before the game?
To the best of my memory. And for a very limited time before the game.
Have they done that at all this year?
Best I've seen this year is $5 Busch Light at select stands.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2023, 09:36:56 PM
Best I've seen this year is $5 Busch Light at select stands.
Vendors have been doing $5 Natty Lights.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 22, 2023, 09:35:49 PM
To the best of my memory. And for a very limited time before the game.
Have they done that at all this year?
$5 Busch lights
Quote from: warriorchick on February 22, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
Apparently beer is cheaper in Gampel.
No Marquette student could afford to do this in the Fiserv.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpnflskaYAACaOY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Also, love that bucket hat in the foreground.
Saw that during the game...i must be getting old cuz thise kids looked like they were 17 years old.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 22, 2023, 09:39:40 PM
Saw that during the game...i must be getting old cuz thise kids looked like they were 17 years old.
Yep you're old!!!! lol
Johnnies clinch a winning season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 22, 2023, 10:22:17 PM
Johnnies clinch a winning season.
Mike Anderson must be very happy. That seems to be his benchmark for success.
Hope he gets an extension.....thank you for your interest Mr Pitino but we are all set
Announced crowd for St. John's-Georgetown at 20,600 seat at Capital One Arena: 3,076. You make the call...
(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_413.jpg)
I might be in the minority here but a Pitino return to the BE is something I would love.
Quote from: Carl on February 22, 2023, 11:07:56 PM
I might be in the minority here but a Pitino return to the BE is something I would love.
I'm with ya, would be a ton of fun. There's a part of me that misses hearing those Karen Sypher chants.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 22, 2023, 11:33:00 PM
I'm with ya, would be a ton of fun. There's a part of me that misses hearing those Karen Sypher chants.
Yes, Porcinis could cash in also with a promotional "Rent a Table to Celebrate Rick's Return to BEast"
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2023, 05:50:53 PM
I'm not sure how they do it but I like watching PU
U don't know ball, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 23, 2023, 06:36:03 AM
U don't know ball, hey?
I mean, they just won a Big East title and beat Marquette this year 🤷🏼♂️
Quote from: Strokin 3s on February 22, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
$5 Busch lights
They are going to have to pay me more than $5 to drink a Busch light.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
It was $2 beer night.
You don't want to celebrate Fiserv $16 beer night?
Quote from: Carl on February 22, 2023, 11:07:56 PM
I might be in the minority here but a Pitino return to the BE is something I would love.
💯
Quote from: warriorchick on February 22, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
Apparently beer is cheaper in Gampel.
No Marquette student could afford to do this in the Fiserv.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpnflskaYAACaOY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Also, love that bucket hat in the foreground.
Lite is not beer, it is diluted horse piss.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 23, 2023, 05:56:21 PM
Lite is not beer, it is diluted horse piss.
Have you tried horse piss? Otherwise, how would you know? 🤔
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 06:18:04 PM
Have you tried horse piss? Otherwise, how would you know? 🤔
Wanker is a horse piss connoisseur. Didn't you know?
That's like 2k in beer
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 06:18:04 PM
Have you tried horse piss? Otherwise, how would you know? 🤔
In Germany they train beer drinkers by drinking rams piss maybe he's training for a drinking competition?
Road win opportunity for X. Article includes picture of Zach Freemantle in a walking boot.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2023/02/23/scouting-report-can-no-16-xavier-get-back-on-track-at-seton-hall/69934544007/
Richmond out for SHU tonight. Thats a killer
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 24, 2023, 05:09:05 PM
Road win opportunity for X. Article includes picture of Zach Freemantle in a walking boot.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2023/02/23/scouting-report-can-no-16-xavier-get-back-on-track-at-seton-hall/69934544007/
If they can get Fremantle back, they'll be a dangerous team in the tournament, and the Big East would have 5 legitimate teams capable of making deep runs.
Not looking good for the Hall
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 05:39:18 PM
Richmond out for SHU tonight. Thats a killer
X romping in the first half against The Hall
Pirates NCAA at large hopes are going from slim to none.
lookings like our wins of X and SHU will swap.
X hopefully befcomes Q1 again. SHU goes Q2 100%
1. Absolutely wild that Boum is playing the whole game in a blowout.
2. Boum and his mouth were asking for a shoving like that for weeks every game I watch.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 07:53:49 PM
lookings like our wins of X and SHU will swap.
X hopefully befcomes Q1 again. SHU goes Q2 100%
Excellent win for X
Some spirited commentary on last nights win over The Hall from the Xavier Fan website
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2023/2/24/23614321/xavier-cruises-to-victory-at-seton-hall
Do we want Nova here?
Dixon is on fire. Creighton with no answers early on.
Creighton is getting pounded...MU took a lot out of them it seems.
Or, Nova is healthy and ergo dangerous.
Nice.
Lets get Nova to a Q1 road win.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2023, 11:41:29 AM
Nice.
Lets get Nova to a Q1 road win.
I'd be cool with a Nova autobid in BET if we aren't the ones winning
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
Or, Nova is healthy and ergo dangerous.
It hasn't been Moore. Dixon is flinging darts from distance.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
It hasn't been Moore. Dixon is flinging darts from distance.
Correct. But just having Moore there is another Final Four starter that you have to defend. Which allows guys like Dixon more room to operate.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
Correct. But just having Moore there is another Final Four starter that you have to defend. Which allows guys like Dixon more room to operate.
As compared to Archie Junior that makes a huge difference.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
Correct. But just having Moore there is another Final Four starter that you have to defend. Which allows guys like Dixon more room to operate.
True. They're also better defensively with Moore. That said we destroyed Creighton''s entire mojo Tues both physically and psychologically. They may never recover.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
Or, Nova is healthy and ergo dangerous.
Yes.
Whitmore injury early in season. Now healthy
Moore injury, more than half season. Now fairly healthy.
Longino injury, now healthy. Huge upgrade off bench
Freshman Armstrong received a lot of playing time due to injuries.
Don't really want to see them or UConn in BET.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 12:02:46 PM
True. They're also better defensively with Moore. That said we destroyed Creighton''s entire mojo Tues both physically and psychologically. They may never recover.
We'll see if Creighton handles the first 12 minutes of the second half today better than they did on Tuesday.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2023, 12:08:11 PM
We'll see if Creighton handles the first 12 minutes of the second half today better than they did on Tuesday.
They finally hit a 3.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2023, 12:15:29 PM
Yes
Would be nice to get Nova and Seton Hall road wins into the Q1 column.
Nice watching Nova vs Creighton with the commentators gushing over both teams knowing there are 4 losses to Marquette playing on the floor.
Dixon having the game of his life
Dixon is taking Kalky to school.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 25, 2023, 12:18:30 PM
Would be nice to get Nova and Seton Hall road wins into the Q1 column.
Plus Creighton is safely in NCAAT, if NOVA can play their way in, more $$$ for BE
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 12:02:46 PM
True. They're also better defensively with Moore. That said we destroyed Creighton''s entire mojo Tues both physically and psychologically. They may never recover.
Moore
6 pts 8 assists 0 TOs
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2023, 12:32:24 PM
Plus Creighton is safely in NCAAT, if NOVA can play their way in, more $$$ for BE
I would think they need the BET title to get in.
So, good PG play makes Nova play better. Who knew?
Nice Marquette reference again by Brando.
This result makes Creighton the most likely team to get the 4 seed and the matchup with UConn in the BET.
C'mon triple overtime.
Quote from: wisblue on February 25, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
This result makes Creighton the most likely team to get the 4 seed and the matchup with UConn in the BET.
I think thats best.
While I think id rather play both X and Prov. I really dont want Uconn.
And Creighton I think gives the best chance at beating Uconn
Quote from: wisblue on February 25, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
This result makes Creighton the most likely team to get the 4 seed and the matchup with UConn in the BET.
Who has the tiebreaker between Prov and Creighton?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 12:51:55 PM
Who has the tiebreaker between Prov and Creighton?
Creighton got swept by us.
Prov and X will both have tiebreaker on them
I have felt for some time that Nova has the ability to go on a BET run. Today supports that notion .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 25, 2023, 12:55:32 PM
I have felt for some time that Nova has the ability to go on a BET run. Today supports that notion .
Yes you have Herman. Good call.
A healthy Nova is a tough out at MSG.
Agreed with others. I think the ideal BET outcome at this point is for Creighton to end up in the 4 to hopefully take out UConn in the second round. Hopefully allows us to avoid UConn and repay the Jays for their 3-0 performance against us last season.
Meanwhile, Nova winning today guarantees that they will be on the 2/3 seed side of the bracket which is a good thing. I like how we match up with them but they could do us a favor and take out X and PC.
If MU doesn't win the BET, I'm still hoping for the funniest possible result. Ewing repeats his magical run to a BET championship and forces GTWN to give him another year ;D
Road win at The Johnnies for The Huskies.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 12:37:28 PM
I would think they need the BET title to get in.
If they win their 2 regular season BE games (final is UCONN) I can se them getting in by getting to semis or if they get to finals almost certain they're in. They will get some very good wins if they can so that, don't think they need the BET.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2023, 04:21:39 PM
If they win their 2 regular season BE games (final is UCONN) I can se them getting in by getting to semis or if they get to finals almost certain they're in. They will get some very good wins if they can so that, don't think they need the BET.
I guess it's conceivable. It would be great if they got in.
It is conceivable for Nova to get in but it would take a huge dose of concession for their injury issues. Their blind resume doesn't justify a bid even with a couple more wins.
I do know who I think would win if they played Wisconsin on a neutral court or maybe even in Madison.
I will be rooting for them in the BET.
If MU doesn't win the BET then I want Nova to win so there are 6 BEAST teams in the dance... as it should be.
U Conn considers MSG "Storrs South" per this post game article after yesterdays win over The Johnnies .
https://nypost.com/2023/02/25/st-johns-cant-pull-upset-this-time-in-loss-to-uconn/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 26, 2023, 07:41:01 AM
U Conn considers MSG "Storrs South" per this post game article after yesterdays win over The Johnnies .
https://nypost.com/2023/02/25/st-johns-cant-pull-upset-this-time-in-loss-to-uconn/
I'm counting on a ton of UConn fans looking to dump tickets to the BET finals after MU knocks them out. 😉
We are now at least CO-BEAST champs. I'd say very few saw this coming. The only person I recall even being this hyped was goose or one of the Crackedsideways pod guys.
Other people said we'd be good! I love all the people coming back to scoop to talk and MUBB twitter blowing up.
Having said that, we won last night... and a lot of good teams lost yesterday. How about the BEAST and nova... glad we don't play them again. And I think providence gets a game today from Gtown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2023, 12:37:28 PM
I would think they need the BET title to get in.
If Nova wins last 2 and runs deep into BEast tourney, they will squeak in.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2023, 08:47:56 AM
If Nova wins last 2 and runs deep into BEast tourney, they will squeak in.
Villanova isn't even in the consideration discussion
Yeah I think Nova has to win the BET.
Cooley & Company with a chance to showcase their wares on Fox Broadcast Network . On the road against The Hoyas .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 26, 2023, 10:44:45 AM
Cooley & Company with a chance to showcase their wares on Fox Broadcast Network . On the road against The Hoyas .
No way Providence can beat GT on their Senior day. Those carnations for the players' families have super powers, even for a team like GT.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2023, 08:54:38 AM
Villanova isn't even in the consideration discussion
They definitely would be in the scenario above. Your smugness is only outweighed by your lack of sane reasoning.
I am not sure what is more sad - the heart wrenching ASPCA commercials or a look at a Patrick Ewing timeout huddle.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 26, 2023, 12:01:16 PM
I am not sure what is more sad - the heart wrenching ASPCA commercials or a look at a Patrick Ewing timeout huddle.
I think we need a mashup tbh
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2023, 11:42:47 AM
They definitely would be in the scenario above. Your smugness is only outweighed by your lack of sane reasoning.
They have to win the Big East tournament
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
They have to win the Big East tournament
Agree, it's too late for anything else. Historically the committee largely ignores conference tourney results beyond auto-bids.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 26, 2023, 12:12:33 PM
Agree, it's too late for anything else. Historically the committee largely ignores conference tourney results beyond auto-bids.
Yup. Anyone with sane reasoning knows this
Georgetown's Senior Day emotional boost lasted about 4 minutes.
Then an 18-2 run by Providence happened.
Quote from: wisblue on February 26, 2023, 12:23:40 PM
Georgetown's Senior Day emotional boost lasted about 4 minutes.
Then an 18-2 run by Providence happened.
They looked pretty good for a second there, lol. Georgetown is really beating themselves, while Providence is playing pretty good team ball.
Fox goes to halftime of the G'town v Providence game playing "X gon' give it to ya" is so disrespectful lol
Anyone want to guess the score of Georgetown at Creighton this week?
Hopkins 6 and 4 today.
Its TK and it wont be close
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 26, 2023, 01:31:18 PM
Anyone want to guess the score of Georgetown at Creighton this week?
And it's senior nite to boot - gonna be ugly.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2023, 08:47:56 AM
If Nova wins last 2 and runs deep into BEast tourney, they will squeak in.
Under that scenario, I don't think they would. At-large hopes ended with their 14th regular season loss, which insures 15 losses to have an at-large case. TAMU proved last year that deep conference tourney runs, no matter how impressive, are irrelevant to making an at-large case. If you are as far outside as Villanova is, you need to win the autobid or you're headed to the NIT.
This was the article after Butlers game versus DePaul
They won this game with out Manny Bates.
Will Bates be healthy for the MU game?
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2023/02/22/butler-basketball-bulldogs-use-late-game-stop-to-defeat-depaul/69920695007/
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2023, 02:10:44 PM
Not a chance
Then I honestly don't see any other contenders.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 26, 2023, 06:19:16 PM
Then I honestly don't see any other contenders.
I would guess contenders are the most prominent players on the top teams
Tyler Kolek
Bryce Hopkins
Adama Sanogo
Souley Boum/maybe Zach Freemantle prior to injury
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Tyler compares favorably to all of them.
The Coaches vote ( can't vote for their own guy)
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 26, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
I would guess contenders are the most prominent players on the top teams
Tyler Kolek
Bryce Hopkins
Adama Sanogo
Souley Boum/maybe Zach Freemantle prior to injury
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Tyler compares favorably to all of them.
The Coaches vote ( can't vote for their own guy)
There's your first team all Big East.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 26, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
I would guess contenders are the most prominent players on the top teams
Tyler Kolek
Bryce Hopkins
Adama Sanogo
Souley Boum/maybe Zach Freemantle prior to injury
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Tyler compares favorably to all of them.
The Coaches vote ( can't vote for their own guy)
Uh oh, TK's in trouble. Remember what he told the coaches after they picked us ninth?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 26, 2023, 07:36:24 PM
There's your first team all Big East.
You'd need 6 players then since in the BE first team of 5 and then BEPOY
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
You'd need 6 players then since in the BE first team of 5 and then BEPOY
I've always thought having 6 is silly.
throw in like hawkins? Nunge? Soriano? that 6th spot is competitive.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Under that scenario, I don't think they would. At-large hopes ended with their 14th regular season loss, which insures 15 losses to have an at-large case. TAMU proved last year that deep conference tourney runs, no matter how impressive, are irrelevant to making an at-large case. If you are as far outside as Villanova is, you need to win the autobid or you're headed to the NIT.
Will be a big boost for the conference winning both the NCAAT and the NIT
Big Game tonight For MU. Must win game to keep enhanced seeding hopes alive.
Expecting a spirited performance from The Bulldogs
Need to come out strong and sustained .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 28, 2023, 06:14:25 AM
Big Game tonight For MU. Must win game to keep enhanced seeding hopes alive.
Expecting a spirited performance from The Bulldogs
Need to come out strong and sustained .
A good start for MU will be big tonight. Interest has definitely waned at Butler after early season optimism. They will get fired up if, like last year, they hit some early shots and sense a possible upset. Contrarily, if we can jump on them early I expect it could be a fairly quiet Hinkle as the here we go again feeling sets in. Take care of business game for MU for sure where you don't want to give them reason for optimism.
C'mon Nova.
Probably woulda been more ideal for 1 team to boat race the other.
Get one of them into Q1.
Now they both probably just stay put haha.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2023, 09:46:59 PM
Probably woulda been more ideal for 1 team to boat race the other.
Get one of them into Q1.
Now they both probably just stay put haha.
I'm wondering if the committee looks at their last few weeks and Moore returning? I would like to see them sneak in.
Huge game tomorrow night
Winner of X/Prov officially gets blah SHU. Loser gets streaking threat Nova.
Huge swing.
Also,
Saying "Nova wont win the BE tournament" isnt really going out on a limb considering 1. they finished 6th 2. There are 5 other really, really good teams in this league and 3. Taking the field is never bold.
But, I gotta say without how often every talking head the last two weeks keeps acting like they are being bold taking Nova to win the BET(when in reality every single one of them are saying it).
Has me thinking they might face plant right off the bat.
Honestly hope not though, would like a 6th team to get in.,
Yep I think Villanova is getting too much hype going into the BET and that's not as favorable as going under the radar.
Marquette fans want them in the top 75, so hopefully they win on Saturday and game 1 in the tournament, but I'd be surprised if they steal a bid.
The Big East is too strong at the top they would have to go thru a gauntlet
X at Cooley & Company should be a rock fight tonight .
Both squads trying to put some respect on their name for seeding purposes
Nova won't win the BET, but they're good enough that had they been healthy all season they'd be right up there with the other top 5 teams in the BE. When they go down, it'll be a tight game against a good team.
My confusion is people on scoop and MUBB twitter bashing nova saying they are not that good.
They just beat creighton and X. By similar or larger margins than we won. Sooo are these people saying we are not that good either then after beating creighton and X?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 01, 2023, 10:19:10 AM
Nova won't win the BET, but they're good enough that had they been healthy all season they'd be right up there with the other top 5 teams in the BE. When they go down, it'll be a tight game against a good team.
After Georgetown a couple years ago I'm never saying any team "won't win the BET" again.
Villanova spun their wheels for most of the season. Now they are healthy with adequate PG play. They are now scary.
Quote from: tower912 on March 01, 2023, 10:37:40 AM
Villanova spun their wheels for most of the season. Now they are healthy with adequate PG play. They are now scary.
Yep. Glad we played them in Milwaukee before Moore got back into his game. Visiting UCONN may have their hands full this Saturday.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
Yep. Glad we played them in Milwaukee before Moore got back into his game. Visiting UCONN may have their hands full this Saturday.
Nova was 22-23 from the line yesterday to close out Seton Hall - damn impressive.
Xavier at Providence tonight in a game that will likely decide the 2 and 3 seeds and then possibly the difference between facing Villanova or Seton Hall next Thursday. NCAA seeding could be affected too.
How awesome is it to be able to enjoy the next three days of college basketball knowing we are already the Big East champs!
X ponding the Dence in the Prov.
Surprised that Cooley & Company laying an Egg at The AMP.
Rooting for X though as I would like our victory over them to be seen in a positive light .
9 point game at half. X has no depth, and a lot of foul trouble. Shaping up to be an interesting second half.
That tightened up pretty quickly and X is in foul trouble with their short bench.
UConn is off to a quick 29-2 lead over DePaul.
Who do we want to win this game?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 06:31:01 PM
Who do we want to win this game?
Any of them as long as they have fun and play hard
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 06:31:01 PM
Who do we want to win this game?
X 100%.
So there is no chance we lose our Q1 win
And because frankly Cooley and Prov are insufferable.
Per usual at home they were in double bonus while only having 6 fouls themselves. Cooley and every player still bit ched at every single call. Got T'd up. Its annoying.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 01, 2023, 06:47:18 PM
X 100%.
So there is no chance we lose our Q1 win
And because frankly Cooley and Prov are insufferable.
Per usual at home they were in double bonus while only having 6 fouls themselves. Cooley and every player still bit ched at every single call. Got T'd up. Its annoying.
Okay. Ty.
7-1 fouls second half in Prov. I've never seen such a differential consistently. Are there stats for this?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 01, 2023, 07:08:50 PM
7-1 fouls second half in Prov. I've never seen such a differential consistently. Are there stats for this?
The Rhode Island Family keeps those records.
Glad X won. I have gotten real tired of PC's BS, especially this season. Often wet court that I think they have learned to handle and therefore have an advantage (and the annual "we're going to get it fixed this year" promise from the arena owners). Foul discrepancies that are real head scratchers. Obnoxious fans.
Will Georgetown score before the under 12?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2023, 07:58:47 PM
Will Georgetown score before the under 12?
Cut them some slack. It's 19-1. Just a slow start.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2023, 08:04:21 PM
Cut them some slack. It's 19-1. Just a slow start.
19-3 😳
I'm at the game - I knew it would be bad, but this is even worse than I thought.
With a late rally, Georgetown closes to 51-24 at the half.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 01, 2023, 08:38:43 PM
With a late rally, Georgetown closes to 51-24 at the half.
What's the general consensus on who Hoya fans want as their coach?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 01, 2023, 08:39:37 PM
What's the general consensus on who Hoya fans want as their coach?
Hopefully some one that can't get the job done
Who wins the tie breaker between Creighton and Providence?
I'd like to see Georgetown be good again. It'd be great for the conference. Same with DePaul.
Excellent big win for Creighton over The Hoyas
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 08:44:42 PM
Hopefully some one that can't get the job done
Eh. I'd prefer someone that can at least get them into the Top 100 in NET.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 01, 2023, 08:53:49 PM
I'd like to see Georgetown be good again. It'd be great for the conference. Same with DePaul.
Georgetown feels like a strange short term down turn.
DePaul feels like a helpless cause. So bad for so long. I know it is a complete farce of an idea, but some DePaul fans feel like moving to the A10 would be best. They truly believe DePaul has no interest in investing in a BigEast quality program.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2023, 07:54:07 PM
Glad X won. I have gotten real tired of PC's BS, especially this season. Often wet court that I think they have learned to handle and therefore have an advantage (and the annual "we're going to get it fixed this year" promise from the arena owners). Foul discrepancies that are real head scratchers. Obnoxious fans.
Including little brothers who walk on to the court and attempt to start a fight with the opposing team's players .....
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Georgetown feels like a strange short term down turn.
DePaul feels like a helpless cause. So bad for so long. I know it is a complete farce of an idea, but some DePaul fans feel like moving to the A10 would be best. They truly believe DePaul has no interest in investing in a BigEast quality program.
How are they not accidentally "good"( like 5th in BE) at least once every 5 or 6 years. They get some decent recruits. At least on paper some 4 stars.
Doesn't make sense. And Georgetown at a level of bad beyond what was thought possible at this point. Not sure if they can recover.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 06:08:44 PM
Surprised that Cooley & Company laying an Egg at The AMP.
4-4 since Feb. 1.
It's a myth that Cooley always has Providence rolling late in seasons.
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 01, 2023, 08:51:47 PM
Who wins the tie breaker between Creighton and Providence?
Providence because they have a win over Marquette.
My question is who gets the the three seed if Providence loses, Creighton loses, and UConn wins, leading them all to be 13-7. Cause I would love for UConn to end up on the other side of the bracket.
All we need is.....DePaul to beat Creighton.....well poop
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 01, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
My question is who gets the the three seed if Providence loses, Creighton loses, and UConn wins, leading them all to be 13-7. Cause I would love for UConn to end up on the other side of the bracket.
All we need is.....DePaul to beat Creighton.....well poop
In that unlikely event, I think the result would be:
Creighton gets the 5 because UConn and Providence both beat Marquette once.
UConn would get the 3 over Providence based on its better NET rank.
It's pretty amazing that PC and UConn would have identical conference losses: 1 to MU, 2 to Xavier, 1 to each other, 1 to Creighton, 1 to Seton Hall, and 1 to SJU.
At this point, bring on UConn again. Would love another shot at it. Prove we can take on anyone and put our offense on display.
If UConn wins the BET do they jump ahead of MU on the NCAA seed list?
They would have to leap ahead of a few other teams to get there, but it wouldn't be out of the question considering their overall metrics. Adding wins over Creighton, MU, and PC/Xavier would make their impressive resume even stronger.
There is a Billboard off Hwy 94 near Pewaukee and Waukesha with Marquette Big East Champions on it
Saw that—-fantastic!
Put one up in Madison. Just for giggles.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 02, 2023, 11:48:15 AM
There is a Billboard off Hwy 94 near Pewaukee and Waukesha with Marquette Big East Champions on it
Anyone have a picture?
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2023, 10:02:23 PM
4-4 since Feb. 1.
It's a myth that Cooley always has Providence rolling late in seasons.
Hmm...February fade?
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2023, 11:55:40 AM
Put one up in Madison. Just for giggles.
Is there a sign outside the MECCA Sports Bar & Grill?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Georgetown feels like a strange short term down turn.
Last eight years is not "short term".
15-18
14-18
15-15
19-14
15-17
13-13
6-25
7-24
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 02, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
Last eight years is not "short term".
15-18
14-18
15-15
19-14
15-17
13-13
6-25
7-24
But it came with a BE championship! 😂
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 02, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
Hmm...February fade?
Yeah, it became a popular myth here during a couple of our fades, but it's pretty easy to look at Cooley's year-by-year record and see a lot of second-half and late-season failure.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 02, 2023, 12:56:02 PM
But it came with a BE championship! 😂
It also came with an attendance drop it has not recovered from.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_414.jpg)
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 02, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
It also came with an attendance drop it has not recovered from.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_414.jpg)
Would you pay to go to a game after watching their borderline embarrassing performance last nite?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 02, 2023, 04:00:24 PM
Would you pay to go to a game after watching their borderline embarrassing performance last nite?
Borderline embarrassing?
Quote from: wisblue on March 02, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
If UConn wins the BET do they jump ahead of MU on the NCAA seed list?
They would have to leap ahead of a few other teams to get there, but it wouldn't be out of the question considering their overall metrics. Adding wins over Creighton, MU, and PC/Xavier would make their impressive resume even stronger.
Nope
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 02, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
It also came with an attendance drop it has not recovered from.
I just read Dana O'Neil's The Big East. Great stories. Fun read.
No doubt I hold some outmoded romanticized notion of what the leagues is, and somebody has to absorb the losses in this conference. DePaul and Hall are fine. Don't like seeing Gtown this low.
(https://images4.penguinrandomhouse.com/cover/9780593237953)
Tomorrows U Conn Villanova will be a good preview for the BET. If Nona can pull off a win it would. Ode well for their chances of potentially winning the conference tournament .
Excellent John Fanta article on Nova
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/is-villanova-peaking-at-right-time-the-fabric-of-our-program-is-to-fight
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 02, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
It also came with an attendance drop it has not recovered from.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_414.jpg)
The saddest part of the attendance is 2/3 of those attending are likely supporting the opposition.
I was channel surfing the other evening and saw all o college gymnastics competition during the week at Oklahoma. There were more fans in the stands there than at a Georgetown basketball game.
Cooley & Company getting hammered in a rock fight with The Hall at The AMP
Cooley's team is getting the Wojo treatment — booed by the home crowd.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2023, 11:39:26 AM
Cooley's team is getting the Wojo treatment — booed by the home crowd.
Or the Al treatment.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2023, 11:39:26 AM
Cooley's team is getting the Wojo treatment — booed by the home crowd.
Really hate to see it ;)
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2023, 11:39:26 AM
Cooley's team is getting the Wojo treatment — booed by the home crowd.
Maybe they are saying Coooooooooley.
Not a good start for higher ranked teams. Uh oh.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 02, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
It also came with an attendance drop it has not recovered from.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_414.jpg)
The saddest part of the attendance is 2/3 of those attending are likely supporting the opposition.
Can a monster road win bring up their Net 10 spots to make them a Q1 win?
Quote from: CrowdOf5 on March 04, 2023, 12:10:57 PM
Can a monster road win bring up their Net 10 spots to make them a Q1 win?
Would be great if Hall and Nova both worked their way into Quad 1
Let's hope Providence can upset UCONN on Thursday
A 27pt lead for the Hall??? WTH?
Not any more
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 04, 2023, 12:21:54 PM
Let's hope Providence can upset UCONN on Thursday
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: war1980rior on March 04, 2023, 10:22:21 AM
The saddest part of the attendance is 2/3 of those attending are likely supporting the opposition.
Quote from: war1980rior on March 04, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
The saddest part of the attendance is 2/3 of those attending are likely supporting the opposition.
It was funnier the second time.
Looks like the Xavier game is turning into a 2 loss game for Providence.
https://twitter.com/JohnLeuzziMU/status/1632082214048485377?t=H2t5V9-o1YExQmQvS4L6Rg&s=19
Emarion Ellis suiting up today.
Some booing in the AMP today. Man, those fans are hard to take.
Gotta say, when he's not doing UConn games, Donny Marshall is a really good analyst.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2023, 12:38:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnLeuzziMU/status/1632082214048485377?t=H2t5V9-o1YExQmQvS4L6Rg&s=19
Emarion Ellis suiting up today.
Worked hard to come back.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2023, 12:38:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnLeuzziMU/status/1632082214048485377?t=H2t5V9-o1YExQmQvS4L6Rg&s=19
Emarion Ellis suiting up today.
I can't imagine they'd burn his red shirt
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 04, 2023, 12:47:57 PM
I can't imagine they'd burn his red shirt
Pretty certain he could play and still Redshirt.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2023, 12:49:43 PM
Pretty certain he could play and still Redshirt.
JB will be along anon to dissuade you.
Yet another second half of the season Coolapse for The Provi.
Cooley & Company totally spanked today.
MU better figure out some way to stop SJ from scoring every time downcourt between now and Thursday or it's going to be a short visit to NYC.
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2023, 02:26:29 PM
MU better figure out some way to stop SJ from scoring every time downcourt between now and Thursday or it's going to be a short visit to NYC.
I have a hard time seeing SJ playing better or getting a better whistle than they did today.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 04, 2023, 03:31:44 PM
I have a hard time seeing SJ playing better or getting a better whistle than they did today.
The Johnnies have a lot of talented individuals . Every so often they show up all at the same time.
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2023, 02:26:29 PM
MU better figure out some way to stop SJ from scoring every time downcourt between now and Thursday or it's going to be a short visit to NYC.
Not even a little concerned. It's twice as likely that St. John's loses to Butler on Wednesday than it is they beat us on Thursday.
Zach Freemantle of X still in Walking Boot .
Coach Miller said Zach may be available for BET. Although my guess is they probably hold Freemantle out till NCAA first round.
Nova and UConn in a classic Big East battle at Wells Fargo Center in Philly
That was a horrendous charge call. Not even close to set.
X comfortably in control of the game against The Bulldogs
U Conn looking strong like they did earlier this year
more than likely will be st johnnies on their home floor(essentially). ok, here we go again...and why is the big east tournament traditionally(always)held in new york? things change all the time-hell, they even have a pitch clock in baseball now
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 04, 2023, 08:30:02 PM
more than likely will be st johnnies on their home floor(essentially). ok, here we go again...and why is the big east tournament traditionally(always)held in new york? things change all the time-hell, they even have a pitch clock in baseball now
It will always be at MSG, as it should be.
If DePaul can upset Creighton it would push UConn to the 3 seed. 🤞
SJU only played four games this year at MSG and went 2-2.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 04, 2023, 08:30:02 PMand why is the big east tournament traditionally(always)held in new york?
You know who else complains that the Big East tournament is always at MSG? The other conferences who
wish they could have their conference tournaments at MSG.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 04, 2023, 08:30:02 PM
more than likely will be st johnnies on their home floor(essentially). ok, here we go again...and why is the big east tournament traditionally(always)held in new york? things change all the time-hell, they even have a pitch clock in baseball now
The most colossally stupid thing the Big East could do is move the conference tournament out of MSG
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 04, 2023, 08:38:59 PM
The most colossally stupid thing the Big East could do is move the conference tournament out of MSG
Agreed. I've never heard a single person complain about it being there.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 04, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Agreed. I've never heard a single person complain about it being there.
My dad, who is 59 years old now, and making his first trip to MSG next week is like a kid in a candy store.
Can't move it out of the Garden. It's such an incredible draw.
All our games in The BET will essentially have the feel of road games .
I have been to that event many times and the fans of the other schools root for the Underdog. Since we are Top Dog there will be the usual 2 to 3,000 MU fans and 18,000 for the bad guys .
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 04, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
My dad, who is 59 years old now, and making his first trip to MSG next week is like a kid in a candy store.
Can't move it out of the Garden. It's such an incredible draw.
He'll have a great time. Amazing experience.
I know people will complain about Marquette not getting the respect they deserve, but it's hard to argue with UConn being the favorite to win the BET.
Willie is right once again. Nova looks like a tourney team tonight, even without a Big East title
Blue Jays up 15 at half at Wintrust .
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 04, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
My dad, who is 59 years old now, and making his first trip to MSG next week is like a kid in a candy store.
Can't move it out of the Garden. It's such an incredible draw.
Take it from this 68 year old who has seen MU play a number of times at the Garden, he will enjoy it immensely.
Everyone who is a sports fan should once see a game at MSG, Lambeau Field and Fenway Park.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 04, 2023, 08:35:40 PM
You know who else complains that the Big East tournament is always at MSG? The other conferences who wish they could have their conference tournaments at MSG.
This is why I absolutely cannot stand tributes to Jim Delaney, the former Big 10 commish. He was trying to get MSG for an occasional B10 tourney, just to screw the BE. They turned him down and Val made a quick trip to MSG to extend our contract.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 04, 2023, 08:55:31 PM
Take it from this 68 year old who has seen MU play a number of times at the Garden, he will enjoy it immensely.
Everyone who is a sports fan should once see a game at MSG, Lambeau Field and Fenway Park.
I'm 8 years older than you. I have been to the Polo Grounds, Ebbits Field, Old Yankee Stadium before the '76 refit, Shea stadium and of course the New Yankee stadium. Yes Lambeau is special and I prefer Wrigley over Fenway.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 04, 2023, 09:56:04 PM
I'm 8 years older than you. I have been to the Polo Grounds, Ebbits Field, Old Yankee Stadium before the '76 refit, Shea stadium and of course the New Yankee stadium. Yes Lambeau is special and I prefer Wrigley over Fenway.
Inside Wrigley is better, outside the stadium Fenway is better.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 04, 2023, 09:26:13 PM
This is why I absolutely cannot stand tributes to Jim Delaney, the former Big 10 commish. He was trying to get MSG for an occasional B10 tourney, just to screw the BE. They turned him down and Val made a quick trip to MSG to extend our contract.
Yes. Yes. J
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2023, 12:49:43 PM
Pretty certain he could play and still Redshirt.
I am certain he could not
Excellent Jerry Carino article on The Hall thrashing of Cooley & Company.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/03/04/seton-hall-basketball-shorthanded-romps-20th-ranked-providence/69966328007/
Fremantle out for the remainder of the season per Rothstein.
Bummer for X.
Quote from: bananahammock on March 05, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
Fremantle out for the remainder of the season per Rothstein.
That sucks - they'll still do well in the tournament but they could have really done some damage with him in the lineup.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 05, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
That sucks - they'll still do well in the tournament but they could have really done some damage with him in the lineup.
I saw Goodman tweeted the same thoughts I was going to post but i don't think it makes much difference unless one of their guys gets in foul trouble. They've have a tougher defense recently.
Quote from: bananahammock on March 05, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
Fremantle out for the remainder of the season per Rothstein.
Tough break for the young man. I liked his style of play.
He's having surgery on his foot on Tuesday.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 06, 2023, 07:32:09 AM
He's having surgery on his foot on Tuesday.
I guess increases the chance Zach may return for his extra year of eligibility (Covid Year) as he will miss out on all pro related activities this spring and summer
*NM
Some analysis on why Cooley & Company is slumping .....
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3458472/not-a-coincidence-providence-basketball-is-0-2-after-changing-their-alcohol-rules-and-preventing-fun
When is Fremantle supposed to return?
Next season. If he chooses.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 08:32:10 AM
Next season. If he chooses.
Ah geeze, I thought it was a matter of weeks. Dunno where I got that impression
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2023, 08:45:50 PM
Tough break for the young man. I liked his style of play.
Competent scorer that doesn't play defense?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 06, 2023, 08:36:20 AM
Ah geeze, I thought it was a matter of weeks. Dunno where I got that impression
When he was first injured they said 4-5 weeks which would be a return in time for tournaments. Yesterday they announced he's having foot surgery so now done for season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35741915/predictions-all-32-men-college-basketball-2023-conference-tournament-champions (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35741915/predictions-all-32-men-college-basketball-2023-conference-tournament-champions)
Four ESPN analysts made their conference tournament selections. None of them picked MU. F@ck'em.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2023, 08:47:58 AM
Competent scorer that doesn't play defense?
Lol. Talk about underrating a player. "Competent scorer?" "Doesn't play defense?"
10th in the Big East in scoring average (0.1 behind Kam and Colby Jones). And extremely efficient. I'd say that's a little more than "competent."
We love to praise OMax's defense. Freemantle's defensive rating is 100.6 (best on Xavier). OMax's is 104.7. His defensive rating would be 3rd on Marquette, behind Stevie (100.3) and Chase (100.4).
He was at worst a Second Team All Big East player. Top 10 in scoring, top 5 in rebounding.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on March 06, 2023, 09:09:41 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35741915/predictions-all-32-men-college-basketball-2023-conference-tournament-champions (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35741915/predictions-all-32-men-college-basketball-2023-conference-tournament-champions)
Four ESPN analysts made their conference tournament selections. None of them picked MU. F@ck'em.
Hard to say that those are unreasonable picks.
UConn will be a solid favorite over MU if they meet in the second round and Xavier's lack of depth might make it hard for them to win 3 days in a row.
Creighton's depth is suspect too, which is why I would be picking UConn if I could do it without being branded as a member of COLE.
I made the UConn argument a couple of weeks ago. Bully ball with depth and a friendly crowd.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:03:32 AM
I made the UConn argument a couple of weeks ago. Bully ball with depth and a friendly very loud and obnoxious crowd.
FIFY. Get ready for the Dan Hurley clones.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:03:32 AM
I made the UConn argument a couple of weeks ago. Bully ball with depth and a friendly crowd.
So you made an argument for the team that has had the highest metrics in the conference all year long, playing a 2.5 hour drive from their campus (closer than anyone other than Nova and St. John's, who doesn't have fans), the largest alumni base and student enrollment in the conference by a wide margin, to win the BET? Wow. Really went out on a limb there.
Agreed. Acknowledging another team is good is normal.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2023, 09:57:12 AM
if I could do it without being branded as a member of COLE.
Blue you should change your name to Nat King Cole
Quote from: withoutbias on March 06, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
So you made an argument for the team that has had the highest metrics in the conference all year long, playing a 2.5 hour drive from their campus (closer than anyone other than Nova and St. John's, who doesn't have fans), the largest alumni base and student enrollment in the conference by a wide margin, to win the BET? Wow. Really went out on a limb there.
gotta imagine seton hall is closer, no? Yeah, it for sure is
If we are lucky enough to scrape by the powerful Johnnies, I just hope that Big East honchos let Marquette take the court for the semifinals - even if we're destined to lose by 40 to unbeatable UConn.
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2023, 11:52:54 AM
If we are lucky enough to scrape by the powerful Johnnies, I just hope that Big East honchos let Marquette take the court for the semifinals - even if we're destined to lose by 40 to unbeatable UConn.
Yep, that's exactly what I and others have been saying.
Marquette will be lucky to beat St. John's and has zero chance against UConn.
::)
Was that you that I saw in the Wizard of Oz singing "If I Only had a Brain"? The original Straw Man.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2023, 09:38:13 AM
Lol. Talk about underrating a player. "Competent scorer?" "Doesn't play defense?"
10th in the Big East in scoring average (0.1 behind Kam and Colby Jones). And extremely efficient. I'd say that's a little more than "competent."
We love to praise OMax's defense. Freemantle's defensive rating is 100.6 (best on Xavier). OMax's is 104.7. His defensive rating would be 3rd on Marquette, behind Stevie (100.3) and Chase (100.4).
He was at worst a Second Team All Big East player. Top 10 in scoring, top 5 in rebounding.
All the more reason defense stats are so hard to quantify, because Freemantle is slow-footed and not nearly the defender O-Max has been. If you sort the season, Xavier's defense was rated #112 on Torvik from the start of the season until January 28th, Freemantle's last game played. Since then, their defense has been ranked #52. Maybe it's coincidence, but maybe it's the slow-footed guy with a reputation as a poor defender being replaced by Jerome Hunter.
And competent means "having the skill to do something successfully." It's not a slight.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2023, 12:26:39 PM
Yep, that's exactly what I and others have been saying.
Marquette will be lucky to beat St. John's and has zero chance against UConn.
::)
Was that you that I saw in the Wizard of Oz singing "If I Only had a Brain"? The original Straw Man.
What you and others don't seem to understand is that just because some of us express confidence in a team we have watched grow -- and a team we have watched go 17-3 in the Big East, beating every team (most of them twice) in the process -- it doesn't mean we lack "respect" for opponents.
We are well aware that any team can beat any other, that UConn is very good, that St. John's at MSG is likely more of a test than Butler, etc, etc, etc. You and others have every right to keep repeating that stuff -- this is 'Merica! -- but it doesn't mean we are unaware of it.
I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist. I think my optimism has been pretty well served this season. I also think that, realistically, the Big East regular-season champion has a heck of a chance to win the Big East tournament and several NCAA tournament games. Saying so doesn't mean I disrespect UConn or Nova or Kansas or Houston.
It's a beautiful week here in Charlotte. Gonna take the grandkids for a walk in a little bit, and then tomorrow gonna hit the links for the first time in 2023. A few Charlotte-area MU fans are gonna get together to watch Thursday's game.
It's great to be alive, and great to be a Warrior (and/or Golden Eagle)!
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2023, 01:35:40 PM
What you and others don't seem to understand is that just because some of us express confidence in a team we have watched grow -- and a team we have watched go 17-3 in the Big East, beating every team (most of them twice) in the process -- it doesn't mean we lack "respect" for opponents.
We are well aware that any team can beat any other, that UConn is very good, that St. John's at MSG is likely more of a test than Butler, etc, etc, etc. You and others have every right to keep repeating that stuff -- this is 'Merica! -- but it doesn't mean we are unaware of it.
I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist. I think my optimism has been pretty well served this season. I also think that, realistically, the Big East regular-season champion has a heck of a chance to win the Big East tournament and several NCAA tournament games. Saying so doesn't mean I disrespect UConn or Nova or Kansas or Houston.
It's a beautiful week here in Charlotte. Gonna take the grandkids for a walk in a little bit, and then tomorrow gonna hit the links for the first time in 2023. A few Charlotte-area MU fans are gonna get together to watch Thursday's game.
It's great to be alive, and great to be a Warrior (and/or Golden Eagle)!
We Are Marquette!
If you understand all that about respecting opponents and recognizing that any team can beat any other, why mock people who come right out and say it? It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the season and their lives in general. That really comes off as pretty arrogant and condescending. It certainly doesn't add anything to a discussion.
I want 82 challenging my opinion.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2023, 12:48:48 PM
All the more reason defense stats are so hard to quantify, because Freemantle is slow-footed and not nearly the defender O-Max has been. If you sort the season, Xavier's defense was rated #112 on Torvik from the start of the season until January 28th, Freemantle's last game played. Since then, their defense has been ranked #52. Maybe it's coincidence, but maybe it's the slow-footed guy with a reputation as a poor defender being replaced by Jerome Hunter.
And competent means "having the skill to do something successfully." It's not a slight.
Fair enough on the competent comment. I usually use "competent" when describing an athlete in the context of, "not good, but not a liability." As in, "Unlike Rowsey, Markus Howard was at least a competent defender."
And that's interesting about the defense. Maybe it's Freemantle going out. Maybe it was Xavier figuring some things out defensively regardless of Freemantle in or out, kind of like how Marquette's defensive numbers seemed to have turn for the better around the same point in the season without losing (or adding) any players.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2023, 02:02:39 PM
If you understand all that about respecting opponents and recognizing that any team can beat any other, why mock people who come right out and say it? It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the season and their lives in general. That really comes off as pretty arrogant and condescending. It certainly doesn't add anything to a discussion.
And, just about all season long, following a Scooper's expressions of optimism with something along the lines of, "But we could lose Saturday because so-and-so is better than you think," could be interpreted as obvious and not adding a whole lot to a discussion.
But I really don't think you're doing it to be rude or argumentative, wisblue. I think you're just more on the cautious side and you view yourself as more of a voice of reason. Please don't take it personally if I tell ya to chill and enjoy this historic season!
We want the same thing. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
And, just about all season long, following a Scooper's expressions of optimism with something along the lines of, "But we could lose Saturday because so-and-so is better than you think," could be interpreted as obvious and not adding a whole lot to a discussion.
But I really don't think you're doing it to be rude or argumentative, wisblue. I think you're just more on the cautious side and you view yourself as more of a voice of reason. Please don't take it personally if I tell ya to chill and enjoy this historic season!
We want the same thing. We Are Marquette!
I am and have been enjoying this historic season. I'm not sure why you think otherwise just because I'm more on the cautious side.
A statement by someone that a team may be tougher than someone thinks certainly adds more to a discussion than the kind of pure sarcastic hyperbole from you that I responded to.
If we eliminated sarcasm and hyperbole, the board might as well shut down.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2023, 03:22:04 PM
I am and have been enjoying this historic season. I'm not sure why you think otherwise just because I'm more on the cautious side.
A statement by someone that a team may be tougher than someone thinks certainly adds more to a discussion than the kind of pure sarcastic hyperbole from you that I responded to.
OK, have a nice day. See you in the next discussion. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 03:23:59 PM
If we eliminated sarcasm and hyperbole, the board might as well shut down.
Not to mention the amateur psychoanalysis.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 03:23:59 PM
If we eliminated sarcasm and hyperbole, the board might as well shut down.
There is always sardonicism.
And schaum tortes.
Wait...
My gut is that Shaka can lock up national COY Friday night against UConn. Might get it regardless, but that would go a long way
Tyler getting good PR in Rhode Island
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/2023/03/06/providences-basketballs-bryce-hopkins-ri-native-tyler-kolek-in-hunt-for-big-east-player-of-year/69974379007/
Marquette is a good team. With out a doubt. They don't have 5 star guys. And that's why they get no respect. Even now, after winning the Big East regular season championship. It's all about Uconn coming on and Creighten and blah blah blah. FU. We'll see come Thursday morning.
They have a lot of great athletes like other teams. I think I see something different in this team. I see a team that passes the ball in the half-court that makes scoring easier. Or they pass out and make a three. Not complicated, if you make shots. If you miss, obviously you need to rebound, which I truly believe MU is getting better at. I hope it's not wishful thinking after DP & STJ.
MU should win the Big East Tournament Championship this Saturday.
They will win two games in the NCAA tournament and go home disappointed but satisfied.
I didn't think they would make the tournament this year. I figured next year would be different. And it will be. With out a doubt. Just look at the starting 5. Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, O-Max, Oso and Stevie Mitchell. You got Gold and Joplin. Ross.
And coming in: Zaide Lowery, Al Amadou & Tre Norman. Up grades. Up and up. I sympathize for the guys that came to MU and will get passed up. Some to injuries. Emarion Ellis & Keeyan Itejere. So much hope and anticipation. Heartbreak. Some local freshmen. They're happy to wear a uni. And you never know what talent a kid might possess. Even a kid from Fond du Lac.
And then, the program gets even stronger. And in 2024 you add Damarius Thomas? Whoa. He could be a one and done. He will leave Marquette as a lottery pick. You can quote me on it.
Quote from: oilcan on March 06, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
Marquette is a good team. With out a doubt. They don't have 5 star guys. And that's why they get no respect. Even now, after winning the Big East regular season championship. It's all about Uconn coming on and Creighten and blah blah blah. FU. We'll see come Thursday morning.
They have a lot of great athletes like other teams. I think I see something different in this team. I see a team that passes the ball in the half-court that makes scoring easier. Or they pass out and make a three. Not complicated, if you make shots. If you miss, obviously you need to rebound, which I truly believe MU is getting better at. I hope it's not wishful thinking after DP & STJ.
MU should win the Big East Tournament Championship this Saturday.
They will win two games in the NCAA tournament and go home disappointed but satisfied.
I didn't think they would make the tournament this year. I figured next year would be different. And it will be. With out a doubt. Just look at the starting 5. Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, O-Max, Oso and Stevie Mitchell. You got Gold and Joplin. Ross.
And coming in: Zaide Lowery, Al Amadou & Tre Norman. Up grades. Up and up. I sympathize for the guys that came to MU and will get passed up. Some to injuries. Emarion Ellis & Keeyan Itejere. So much hope and anticipation. Heartbreak. Some local freshmen. They're happy to wear a uni. And you never know what talent a kid might possess. Even a kid from Fond du Lac.
And then, the program gets even stronger. And in 2024 you add Damarius Thomas? Whoa. He could be a one and done. He will leave Marquette as a lottery pick. You can quote me on it.
Always love when you come out of the clouds with a gem. You've got my 'Scoop vote' for Most Optimistic Rambler. And I sincerely mean that with complimentary respect.
Quote from: oilcan on March 06, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
Marquette is a good team. With out a doubt. They don't have 5 star guys. And that's why they get no respect. Even now, after winning the Big East regular season championship. It's all about Uconn coming on and Creighten and blah blah blah. FU. We'll see come Thursday morning.
They have a lot of great athletes like other teams. I think I see something different in this team. I see a team that passes the ball in the half-court that makes scoring easier. Or they pass out and make a three. Not complicated, if you make shots. If you miss, obviously you need to rebound, which I truly believe MU is getting better at. I hope it's not wishful thinking after DP & STJ.
MU should win the Big East Tournament Championship this Saturday.
They will win two games in the NCAA tournament and go home disappointed but satisfied.
I didn't think they would make the tournament this year. I figured next year would be different. And it will be. With out a doubt. Just look at the starting 5. Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, O-Max, Oso and Stevie Mitchell. You got Gold and Joplin. Ross.
And coming in: Zaide Lowery, Al Amadou & Tre Norman. Up grades. Up and up. I sympathize for the guys that came to MU and will get passed up. Some to injuries. Emarion Ellis & Keeyan Itejere. So much hope and anticipation. Heartbreak. Some local freshmen. They're happy to wear a uni. And you never know what talent a kid might possess. Even a kid from Fond du Lac.
And then, the program gets even stronger. And in 2024 you add Damarius Thomas? Whoa. He could be a one and done. He will leave Marquette as a lottery pick. You can quote me on it.
Might wanna learn his name before making such a bold guarantee.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 07, 2023, 06:49:57 AM
Might wanna learn his name before making such a bold guarantee.
Absolutely not.
Quote from: oilcan on March 06, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
Marquette is a good team. With out a doubt. They don't have 5 star guys. And that's why they get no respect. Even now, after winning the Big East regular season championship. It's all about Uconn coming on and Creighten and blah blah blah. FU. We'll see come Thursday morning.
They have a lot of great athletes like other teams. I think I see something different in this team. I see a team that passes the ball in the half-court that makes scoring easier. Or they pass out and make a three. Not complicated, if you make shots. If you miss, obviously you need to rebound, which I truly believe MU is getting better at. I hope it's not wishful thinking after DP & STJ.
MU should win the Big East Tournament Championship this Saturday.
They will win two games in the NCAA tournament and go home disappointed but satisfied.
I didn't think they would make the tournament this year. I figured next year would be different. And it will be. With out a doubt. Just look at the starting 5. Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, O-Max, Oso and Stevie Mitchell. You got Gold and Joplin. Ross.
And coming in: Zaide Lowery, Al Amadou & Tre Norman. Up grades. Up and up. I sympathize for the guys that came to MU and will get passed up. Some to injuries. Emarion Ellis & Keeyan Itejere. So much hope and anticipation. Heartbreak. Some local freshmen. They're happy to wear a uni. And you never know what talent a kid might possess. Even a kid from Fond du Lac.
And then, the program gets even stronger. And in 2024 you add Damarius Thomas? Whoa. He could be a one and done. He will leave Marquette as a lottery pick. You can quote me on it.
Excellent Report .
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 07, 2023, 06:49:57 AM
Might wanna learn his name before making such a bold guarantee.
Yeah, he should probably learn Owens' name if he's going to project him as a one-and-done. On the lottery-pick front, maybe he's confusing him with the kid at a school a few miles away from Owens' school who likely
is a one-and-done (Darryn Peterson). Shaka might as well pick Peterson up too when he's down visiting Owens.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 07, 2023, 06:49:57 AM
Might wanna learn his name before making such a bold guarantee.
To borrow from Aminal House...
Let him go. He's on a roll.
Oopsie.. Of course I meant Damarius Owens. Thank God for the fact checkers on Scoop or I'd stumble around like Mr. Magoo. Ring Out Ahoya.
Quote from: oilcan on March 07, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
Oopsie.. Of course I meant Damarius Owens. Thank God for the fact checkers on Scoop or I'd stumble around like Mr. Magoo. Ring Out Ahoya.
Lucky for you, scoop is a mistake free zone
Quote from: oilcan on March 07, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
Oopsie.. Of course I meant Damarius Owens. Thank God for the fact checkers on Scoop or I'd stumble around like Mr. Magoo. Ring Out Ahoya.
Some are simply fact checkers and do not take cheap shots, and others love the lyrics from a country song from years ago: "Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in so many ways..."
There are definitely some benefits for MU as the number 1 seed. The Johnnies and Butler play Wednesday at 3:00 PM . Then the Winner of that has to play MU at Noon Thursday.
Warriors come out strong and put a scalp on the wall.
Not really sure where to put this, so this seems as good as anywhere. Andrei at Paint Touches brought it up this morning in a group chat. You can sort Torvik by Quadrant. So instead of looking at a date range, you look at an opponent quality range. Much has been made about Marquette's defense, but if you sort by Quadrant 1, and limit it to teams that played 5+ Q1 games (so you get out the low majors that only played a couple road buy games) Marquette ranks 4th in the country. The Offense is 11th and Defense is 19th.
What that indicates is that in the biggest games, our team is at their best. The lower the Quadrant, the worse this team does. Against Q3+4, for instance, they are ranked 36th. Against Q4 only, they're 42nd. But when they play a big game, they bring their best and they deliver, even on the defensive end (which explains some of the lockdown performances we've seen and been unable to explain why they aren't consistent. Feels like this bodes well for March. Here's the top-10 against Q1 only:
1. Houston
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. Marquette
5. Gonzaga
6. UCLA
7. Purdue
8. Tennessee
9. Kansas
10. Alabama
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Not really sure where to put this, so this seems as good as anywhere. Andrei at Paint Touches brought it up this morning in a group chat. You can sort Torvik by Quadrant. So instead of looking at a date range, you look at an opponent quality range. Much has been made about Marquette's defense, but if you sort by Quadrant 1, and limit it to teams that played 5+ Q1 games (so you get out the low majors that only played a couple road buy games) Marquette ranks 4th in the country. The Offense is 11th and Defense is 19th.
What that indicates is that in the biggest games, our team is at their best. The lower the Quadrant, the worse this team does. Against Q3+4, for instance, they are ranked 36th. Against Q4 only, they're 42nd. But when they play a big game, they bring their best and they deliver, even on the defensive end (which explains some of the lockdown performances we've seen and been unable to explain why they aren't consistent. Feels like this bodes well for March. Here's the top-10 against Q1 only:
1. Houston
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. Marquette
5. Gonzaga
6. UCLA
7. Purdue
8. Tennessee
9. Kansas
10. Alabama
Thanks for sharing this. I think once MU gets out of conference, our style of play is going to cause a lot of problems for opponents.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 07, 2023, 07:50:32 PM
Thanks for sharing this. I think once MU gets out of conference, our style of play is going to cause a lot of problems for opponents.
Agreed Herman.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Not really sure where to put this, so this seems as good as anywhere. Andrei at Paint Touches brought it up this morning in a group chat. You can sort Torvik by Quadrant. So instead of looking at a date range, you look at an opponent quality range. Much has been made about Marquette's defense, but if you sort by Quadrant 1, and limit it to teams that played 5+ Q1 games (so you get out the low majors that only played a couple road buy games) Marquette ranks 4th in the country. The Offense is 11th and Defense is 19th.
What that indicates is that in the biggest games, our team is at their best. The lower the Quadrant, the worse this team does. Against Q3+4, for instance, they are ranked 36th. Against Q4 only, they're 42nd. But when they play a big game, they bring their best and they deliver, even on the defensive end (which explains some of the lockdown performances we've seen and been unable to explain why they aren't consistent. Feels like this bodes well for March. Here's the top-10 against Q1 only:
1. Houston
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. Marquette
5. Gonzaga
6. UCLA
7. Purdue
8. Tennessee
9. Kansas?
10. Alabama
2 Big East teams in the Final 4
Kenpom weenies - please explain Creighton with 5 more L's than Marquette (including 2 to Marquette) being rated higher than Marquette.
Glad they are more "efficient" stat wise but on real on the court results they lose twice to Marquette.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2023, 03:06:19 AM
Kenpom weenies - please explain Creighton with 5 more L's than Marquette (including 2 to Marquette) being rated higher than Marquette.
Glad they are more "efficient" stat wise but on real o the court results the lose twice to Marquette.
Sounds like you know the answer, you just don't like it. You may also recall that most of those losses took place when Kalkbrenner was out
https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/fran-fraschilla-on-st-johns-next-hire-if-they-fire-mike-anderson/amp/
All other points negated by praising Dayton
RESPECT
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/35805195/ncaab-betting-odds-conference-championship-picks-2023 (https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/35805195/ncaab-betting-odds-conference-championship-picks-2023)
Eric Hunter academically ineligible today for Butler . Bates Injured .
Other thread has it as academic for both Bates and Hunter.
In 90 minutes or so, it's not gonna matter.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 08, 2023, 02:32:55 PM
Other thread has it as academic for both Bates and Hunter.
In 90 minutes or so, it's not gonna matter.
Johnnies comfortably in charge.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Some are simply fact checkers and do not take cheap shots, and others love the lyrics from a country song from years ago: "Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in so many ways..."
You are misquoting the lyric. It's "when you are perfect in every way".
The irony.
I think The Johnnies are better without Curbelo and Pinzon
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 03:51:58 PM
I think The Johnnies are better without Curbelo and Pinzon
That's a given
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 08, 2023, 06:39:17 AM
Sounds like you know the answer, you just don't like it. You may also recall that most of those losses took place when Kalkbrenner was out
The second time they lost to Marquette, they were at home and Kalkbrenner was healthy (which you already knew); the loss cost them a shot at a conference title.
None of which has much to do with kenpom's season-long ratings, of course.
I think Coach Stubblefield is going to have The Blue Demons come out strong against The Hall.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 04:09:54 PM
I think Coach Stubblefield is going to have The Blue Demons come out strong against The Hall.
I don't!
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 04:09:54 PM
I think Coach Stubblefield is going to have The Blue Demons come out strong against The Hall.
Based on...?
DePaul up at half over The Hall
Oh my. What a finish!
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 04:09:54 PM
I think Coach Stubblefield is going to have The Blue Demons come out strong against The Hall.
Coach Stubblefield got it done . Congrats .
Seton Hall boots it away.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 06:46:16 PM
Coach Stubblefield got it done . Congrats .
Yeah, that was a heck of a blocked shot by Stubblefield there. Didn't know he still had ups like that.
The rubber match between X and DePaul is going to be a good one tommorow.
That's why I watch bb. It doesn't have to be a championship game to see amazing plays. Get fouled shooting a desperation three. Hit the 3 free throws and defend Seton Hall's run up the court. Perfect pass and and shot. But time expires before the goal tend. I'm glad I saw it. Wow!
Personal observation. I watch a lot of basketball games. And I notice empty arenas. My friends shrug their shoulders. "Well that's because it's two crummy teams playing each other." And I say, "You need to watch Big East basketball." And I watch today and I notice the Garden is packed from the floor to the rafters. And I know why I love this sport and this league. Take care of business tomorrow. No finish line.
Quote from: oilcan on March 08, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
That's why I watch bb. It doesn't have to be a championship game to see amazing plays. Get fouled shooting a desperation three. Hit the 3 free throws and defend Seton Hall's run up the court. Perfect pass and and shot. But time expires before the goal tend. I'm glad I saw it. Wow!
Personal observation. I watch a lot of basketball games. And I notice empty arenas. My friends shrug their shoulders. "Well that's because it's two crummy teams playing each other." And I say, "You need to watch Big East basketball." And I watch today and I notice the Garden is packed from the floor to the rafters. And I know why I love this sport and this league. Take care of business tomorrow. No finish line.
Dennis:
It was a great game very fun to watch.
The end of that DePaul game was a great example of how much time 3.9 seconds is. I can't count the number of times I've seen guys panic and take a half court shot when they actually have time to run the entire length of the floor.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
The end of that DePaul game was a great example of how much time 3.9 seconds is. I can't count the number of times I've seen guys panic and take a half court shot when they actually have time to run the entire length of the floor.
Indeed and how much can happen in :20 of game time. Can't relax
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
The end of that DePaul game was a great example of how much time 3.9 seconds is. I can't count the number of times I've seen guys panic and take a half court shot when they actually have time to run the entire length of the floor.
yes, Sean Jones can probably go coast to coast in less than 3 seconds
Was delighted to see The Hall lose . Their crappy fans won't be at our game tomorrow .
Ewing collecting paychecks . How long will this go on?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 08:29:39 PM
Ewing collecting paychecks . How long will this go on?
See what I heard in the other thread covering the BET, not this thread. Not good.
Reporting today that Ewing is finished, not that that really needed confirmation.
Students want Ewing out
https://georgetownvoice.com/2023/03/03/cut-your-losses-patrick-ewing/
Jerry Carino earning his paycheck with an excellent article on The Halls loss to The Blue Demons .
I like Carino because he votes MU high.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/03/08/seton-hall-basketball-stunned-by-depaul-in-big-east-tournament/69977927007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 07:47:18 PM
Was delighted to see The Hall lose . Their crappy fans won't be at our game tomorrow .
We lost a Q1 win.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 08:29:39 PM
Ewing collecting paychecks . How long will this go on?
He didn't even acknowledge the crowd when introduced and as sitting alone on the bench. Kind looked like he knew it was his last game.
Cooley & Company need to show up today. Klingan had an ankle injury at end of Nova game , seems like he is expected to play.
https://www.courant.com/2023/03/08/rivalry-rubber-match-uconn-mens-basketball-prepares-for-third-intense-battle-with-providence-in-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals/
Cooley & Company need to show up against The Huskies
Cooley & Company skating on thin ice.....
Well at least Cooley & Company made it respectable at the end . I leave it to the seeding gurus to access where they will be in the tournament .
Another late-season fade for Cooley.
Meanwhile, unbeatable UConn came pretty close to blowing a 26-point lead.
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2023, 05:13:22 PM
Another late-season fade for Cooley.
Meanwhile, unbeatable UConn came pretty close to blowing a 26-point lead.
I think we do well tomorrow - everyone will pick UConn and the team plays better with a chip on their shoulders.
DePaul fought hard against X .
Would like to see X play Creighton again. Creighton has to get by Nova though.
Creighton comfortably spanking Nova
Nembhard playing with a little chip on his shoulder . Had a good season and got no Big East awards .
I like that we are playing the 6:30 game tonight. That 9 game which could get delayed , if the first game runs late makes for a lot of sitting around all day.
Key to the game shut down Hawkins. That kid can really shoot it . Also don't let the freshman ,Karaban, and Calcaterra get open looks .
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 07:05:11 AM
I like that we are playing the 6:30 game tonight. That 9 game which could get delayed , if the first game runs late makes for a lot of sitting around all day.
Key to the game shut down Hawkins. That kid can really shoot it . Also don't let the freshman ,Karaban, and Calcaterra get open looks .
I like the idea of using some full court pressure early, especially if they continue to use Jackson as one of the ball handlers.
Kalkbrenner played well last night
Should be a good game to watch tonight Blue Jays versus X
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/ryan-kalkbrenner-creighton-holds-off-villanovas-late-run-to-reach-big-east-semifinals/article_cad41dcc-be82-11ed-925e-27e72038ce3a.html
X can score but they are going to need to play better defense against Creighton than they did against DePaul .
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Article/xavier-musketeers-depaul-blue-demons-recap-colby-jones-206112212/Amp/
I love the sound of 27-6. 28-6 will be even better.
We have now won 19 out of 22 Big East games. That is special season.
Rooting for Creighton. Should be a shoot out tonight versus X.
X and The Blue Jays are both playing nervous and sloppy
X seems to the least ugly tonight so far.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 08:38:46 PM
X seems to the least ugly tonight so far.
As good as our game was is how ugly this has been.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 10, 2023, 08:40:36 PM
As good as our game was is how ugly this has been.
Miller owning McDermott tonight so far.
40-26 half X. Creighton needs a big run to start second.
Should be a good MU crowd at The Garden Saturday.
Looking forward to Shaka's game plan to neutralize Boum.
Announcer comparing Kunkel to JP Macura
Is there any chance X is moving to a 3 seed after tonight's performance?
Rubber Match with X tomorrow.
Will be a great game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Jerry Carino earning his paycheck with an excellent article on The Halls loss to The Blue Demons .
I like Carino because he votes MU high.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/03/08/seton-hall-basketball-stunned-by-depaul-in-big-east-tournament/69977927007/
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
LOL.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
I hereby withdraw my endorsement of Carino.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
"I'm sorry, did we ruin your league by beating the east coast teams"?
X had everyone playing well last night .
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2023/3/11/23634955/xavier-dominates-creighton-to-advance-to-the-big-east-tournament-final
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 10:23:23 PM
"I'm sorry, did we ruin your league by beating the east coast teams"?
Exactly.....what are you bitching about?
It would have been so much better if our team would have won........yeah...but they didn't.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2023, 07:16:14 AM
X had everyone playing well last night .
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2023/3/11/23634955/xavier-dominates-creighton-to-advance-to-the-big-east-tournament-final
Was surprised by the Creighton effort. Didn't show up from the get go.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2023, 07:23:13 AM
Was surprised by the Creighton effort. Didn't show up from the get go.
X played good defense , which isn't always the case , took some of Creighton key players out of the flow of the game early.
Other thing Carino is forgetting in his pathetic rant is that The Garden is literally the easiest Arena in The whole country to get to . Two train systems feed right into it .
Over the years have seen many MU fans at the train stations for games .
Given that this is a Championship will see The Connecticut and Westchester crowds coming in from the North on Metro North The Long Island people coming in on the LIRR right into the Garden. Jersey types can take NJ Transit . Will get MU fans from as far as Philly and Washington taking Amtrakright into the Garden as well. Plus all the Manhattan and outer borough types
Same holds true for X fan base
Plus all the fans from other teams who are staying for the duration .
Will be a loud and crazy environment .
I'm going tonight with XU daughter. She firmly requested we attend.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 11, 2023, 10:26:04 AM
I'm going tonight with XU daughter. She firmly requested we attend.
Good you offset her . 🤓
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
That's such a joke of a comment. The BET delivered some fantastic games this year and the east coast teams/fans played a large part in them. Nothing about this tournament was "not great for the league." This event is about much more than who makes it to the final.
When St Johns and Georgetown turn it around, sure it'll be good for the league. We'll have a lot of fun beating them in the semifinals also.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 11, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
That's such a joke of a comment. The BET delivered some fantastic games this year and the east coast teams/fans played a large part in them. Nothing about this tournament was "not great for the league." This event is about much more than who makes it to the final.
When St Johns and Georgetown turn it around, sure it'll be good for the league. We'll have a lot of fun beating them in the semifinals also.
Actually it was quite nice that the low life Seton Hall crowd wasn't around. A bunch of Drunk guys yelling "Shiver me Timbers " does t necessarily add to the cachet of the event .
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
He's a moron.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1634369813190410241
Funniest reply - Kenpom will still think UConn won.
John Fanta Initial write up of Championship win.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/big-east-final-takeaways-marquette-xavier
Beat the Catamounts and we face the Fightin Joeys
I think the Big East did well in the seeding process.
-MU with a 2 in the East Region is fantastic
-X got a 3 which showed a lot of respect for them and the league
-U Conn's 4 is decent considering their bad performance streak
-Creighton Better than I would have thought at 6 and have a winnable game against NC State.
-Cooley & Company made the cut with an 11 ,have turmoil,but if they get their act together they can beat Kentucky and they are also in the East
Andy Katz reviews X first round game versus Kennesaw State
https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2023-03-14/mens-game-previews-xavierkennesawst
Well, Villanova and Seton Hall didn't have a good showing in the NIT. A couple mediocre seasons come to an end.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 15, 2023, 12:19:15 AM
Well, Villanova and Seton Hall didn't have a good showing in the NIT. A couple mediocre seasons come to an end.
Didn't Villanova's best players opt out? Hard to blame them
Quote from: Carl on March 15, 2023, 12:42:41 AM
Didn't Villanova's best players opt out? Hard to blame them
i don't recall hearing basketball players opting out of a "show case" game. despite being ONLY the NIT, i can't imagine it was to save themselves for the NBA combine err sumpin. says a little about character? don't know however, because i haven't read anything else about it...anyone here care to add? no biggie
Looks like Moore and the five star frosh didn't play.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2023, 01:41:03 AM
i don't recall hearing basketball players opting out of a "show case" game. despite being ONLY the NIT, i can't imagine it was to save themselves for the NBA combine err sumpin. says a little about character? don't know however, because i haven't read anything else about it...anyone here care to add? no biggie
If I were a potential NBA draft pick, no way in Hell I would play in the NIT. I am sure the coaches were fine with it too. Getting the bench players some minutes to see what they have.
I was happy to see Greg play for Pitt last night. A couple of steals, 13 points, 2/6 on 3s. And Pitt won, 60-59.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2023, 01:41:03 AM
i don't recall hearing basketball players opting out of a "show case" game. despite being ONLY the NIT, i can't imagine it was to save themselves for the NBA combine err sumpin. says a little about character? don't know however, because i haven't read anything else about it...anyone here care to add? no biggie
It has zero to do with character. It's a glorified exhibition.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2023, 01:41:03 AM
i don't recall hearing basketball players opting out of a "show case" game. despite being ONLY the NIT, i can't imagine it was to save themselves for the NBA combine err sumpin. says a little about character? don't know however, because i haven't read anything else about it...anyone here care to add? no biggie
Hell, the entire UNC program opted out of the NIT based on nothing more than ego. That might say something about character, but I have no issue with Cam Whitmore declining to put the financial future of his entire family on the line to play a game against Liberty University.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 15, 2023, 05:27:52 AM
If I were a potential NBA draft pick, no way in Hell I would play in the NIT. I am sure the coaches were fine with it too. Getting the bench players some minutes to see what they have.
Yes, absolutely, however...without scanning the list and/or those who opted out, did any of them have a realistic shot at NBA? Can't imagine Villanova being loaded up with that kind of talent given they didn't make the big dance
Justin Moore -senior(12.5/34% 3's)and cam whitmore-freshman (13.5/ 34% 3's)not on game roster
Dixon is their stud imho and he was there
Liberty playing on their home floor wanted this one more
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2023, 06:09:04 AM
Yes, absolutely, however...without scanning the list and/or those who opted out, did any of them have a realistic shot at NBA? Can't imagine Villanova being loaded up with that kind of talent given they didn't make the big dance
Justin Moore -senior(12.5/34% 3's)and cam whitmore-freshman (13.5/ 34% 3's)not on game roster
Dixon is their stud imho and he was there
Liberty playing on their home floor wanted this one more
Are you really not aware of the fact that Cam Whitnore is a projected lottery pick?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 06:11:16 AM
Are you really not aware of the fact that Cam Whitnore is a projected lottery pick?
No, sorry EG, although I follow hoops better than the average, I didn't have his card, but thank you for the info. I will now be interested to see where his career takes him. Understand I just haven't heard of guys opting out in basketball as you do in football bowl games. I guess when you get into the lower tier tournaments, this becomes more common 8-)
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2023, 06:18:23 AM
No, sorry EG, although I follow hoops better than the average, I didn't have his card, but thank you for the info. I will now be interested to see where his career takes him. Understand I just haven't heard of guys opting out in basketball as you do in football bowl games. I guess when you get into the lower tier tournaments, this becomes more common 8-)
If Cam Whitmore were my son, I'd personally do everything in my power to prevent him from playing in the NIT. There is too much at stake for his future to tear an ACL or something in an essentially meaningless game.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 06:23:57 AM
If Cam Whitmore were my son, I'd personally do everything in my power to prevent him from playing in the NIT. There is too much at stake for his future to tear an ACL or something in an essentially meaningless game.
👍💪👍
If Cam Whitmore were my son, I'd also have quite a few questions for my wife, as those abilities are not in the genome.
Road game for The Hall against The Buffalos . Tough one point loss . Year one for Shaheen has some ups and downs . Let's see how things work out in The Transfer Portal for The Pirates .
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 06:32:43 AM
If Cam Whitmore were my son, I'd also have quite a few questions for my wife, as those abilities are not in the genome.
Since this is the internet, I know I need to find something to be offended by today. I've chosen this post as my daily "offended by" content. This is clearly some sort of attack on adopted children, as you are clearly saying that an adopted child of your own genetic makeup couldn't possibly be your "real" son. How dare you! You're the worst human being alive.
Quote from: UWW2MU on March 15, 2023, 08:14:23 AM
Since this is the internet, I know I need to find something to be offended by today. I've chosen this post as my daily "offended by" content. This is clearly some sort of attack on adopted children, as you are clearly saying that an adopted child of your own genetic makeup couldn't possibly be your "real" son. How dare you! You're the worst human being alive.
I'll be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to adopt Cam Whitmore. Given his future earning capacity, I should look into that possibility!
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 08:59:22 AM
I'll be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to adopt Cam Whitmore. Given his future earning capacity, I should look into that possibility!
Wait I though Kyle Neptune already adopted him to save a schollie
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 08:59:22 AM
I'll be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to adopt Cam Whitmore. Given his future earning capacity, I should look into that possibility!
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 15, 2023, 09:58:53 AM
Wait I though Kyle Neptune already adopted him to save a schollie
So, all EG needs to do is marry Kyle Neptune.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 06:23:57 AM
If Cam Whitmore were my son, I'd personally do everything in my power to prevent him from playing in the NIT. There is too much at stake for his future to tear an ACL or something in an essentially meaningless game.
But isn't that a risk every time you show up for basketball practice? Or play pickup ball with some friends?
I think it would be a shame if players start treating the NIT like football players treat the Pro Bowl.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 11:07:48 AM
I think it would be a shame if players start treating the NIT like football players treat the Pro Bowl.
There both just glorified exhibitions.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 11:07:48 AM
But isn't that a risk every time you show up for basketball practice? Or play pickup ball with some friends?
I think it would be a shame if players start treating the NIT like football players treat the Pro Bowl.
This
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 11:07:48 AM
But isn't that a risk every time you show up for basketball practice? Or play pickup ball with some friends?
I think it would be a shame if players start treating the NIT like football players treat the Pro Bowl.
Yea, there is certainly a risk every day, but it's heightened during a competitive basketball game. If anyone cared about the NIT, it would be one thing, but there just is no reason to add to your risk for so little upside.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 01:44:09 PM
Yea, there is certainly a risk every day, but it's heightened during a competitive basketball game. If anyone cared about the NIT, it would be one thing, but there just is no reason to add to your risk for so little upside.
This pretty much sums up the argument for not playing. I don't agree. You play to support your teammates - it may not draw a lot of fan interest but its is a tournament where you play for a championship in MSG - that provides a lot of motivation to the players themselves. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely comparable. If you are a competitor and a good teammate you should play. Just my 2 cents...
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on March 15, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
This pretty much sums up the argument for not playing. I don't agree. You play to support your teammates - it may not draw a lot of fan interest but its is a tournament where you play for a championship in MSG - that provides a lot of motivation to the players themselves. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely comparable. If you are a competitor and a good teammate you should play. Just my 2 cents...
When the options are "Play a meaningless game" or "Sit out and protect my draft stock for those sweet sweet millions in generational wealth for a first round contract" I always go with the latter. There are 30 regular season games showing that they were a good competitor and teammate. A game that means nothing isn't worth it.
The whole Dayton team skipped the NIT this year and they don't have any NBA prospects. I wonder how often that happens.
Quote from: source? on March 15, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
The whole Dayton team skipped the NIT this year and they don't have any NBA prospects. I wonder how often that happens.
They had a bunch of injuries that required surgery.
Quote from: source? on March 15, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
The whole Dayton team skipped the NIT this year and they don't have any NBA prospects. I wonder how often that happens.
Thought Holmes was a prospect? Or was that just announcer hype?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 15, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
When the options are "Play a meaningless game" or "Sit out and protect my draft stock for those sweet sweet millions in generational wealth for a first round contract" I always go with the latter. There are 30 regular season games showing that they were a good competitor and teammate. A game that means nothing isn't worth it.
This 100%, If you have a legit shot at millions of dollars it doesn't matter if the risk is negligible, if it's 1/100 and you're the 1 who loses their chance then a lot of good those stats did.
Plus if you aren't coming back anyways there's no point is supporting your teammates on the court by taking away development from the next generation. Sit on the sideline and be a supportive teammate sure but if you're graduating that's development time for the next batch of players.
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on March 15, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
but its is a tournament where you play for a championship in MSG -
This isn't your father's NIT. The NIT finals are no longer in MSG but in Las Vegas like seemingly everything else.
This is the third year of a rotating NIT, only the second time not in NYC. '24- Indy, '23- Vegas, '22- Madison Square Garden, '21- Texas. Badger fans are buying up the Indy tickets ahead of next season.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 15, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
When the options are "Play a meaningless game" or "Sit out and protect my draft stock for those sweet sweet millions in generational wealth for a first round contract" I always go with the latter. There are 30 regular season games showing that they were a good competitor and teammate. A game that means nothing isn't worth it.
So you would have been okay with Markus sitting out the NIT the year we played in it?
i'd rather go to vegas over NYC 1000%
Quote from: source? on March 15, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
The whole Dayton team skipped the NIT this year and they don't have any NBA prospects. I wonder how often that happens.
i know a team that skipped the ncaa in favor of the NIT 8-)
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 04:01:26 PM
So you would have been okay with Markus sitting out the NIT the year we played in it?
His senior year? Not a problem at all.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2023, 04:04:25 PM
His senior year? Not a problem at all.
You can get injured your junior year at the NIT as well. What's the difference?
Don't forget that he hadn't announced whether he was going to stay or not at that point.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 04:25:50 PM
You can get injured your junior year at the NIT as well. What's the difference?
They would be sitting out to protect their draft status. Like the Nova players are.
Cooley on Kentucky
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/ed-cooley-compares-kentuckys-size-length-big-east-foe-uconn/
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2023, 04:01:26 PM
So you would have been okay with Markus sitting out the NIT the year we played in it?
His senior year, yeah. But that wasn't his senior year. College is great, but blowing your knee out and losing out on potential millions a few months after for a glorified exhibition doesn't make sense for an NBA prospect. This is why football players also sit out of the TaxAct 1099 Bowl Presented by swisher sweet vape pens for a 6 win team. There's nothing worth playing for unless you're trying to build on something for next year--and those guys aren't because they won't be there next year.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 15, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
When the options are "Play a meaningless game" or "Sit out and protect my draft stock for those sweet sweet millions in generational wealth for a first round contract" I always go with the latter. There are 30 regular season games showing that they were a good competitor and teammate. A game that means nothing isn't worth it.
You're right, they're wrong. No sense arguing. Always just end up with some self righteous sentiment about seeing things through, being a good teammate, "the risk is so low". Meaningless games are just that. Only problem I've had with it had some huge caveats. I think there was a star OSU football player this year that sat out the playoff game. Buttttt..... he was a projected top 10 pick that had been hurt all year and had just gotten cleared to play from yet another injury. That guy gets a big time hall pass. Do what everybody in every other walk of life does and maximize your chances for a successful, happy life
Quote from: Carl on March 15, 2023, 11:52:31 PM
You're right, they're wrong. No sense arguing. Always just end up with some self righteous sentiment about seeing things through, being a good teammate, "the risk is so low". Meaningless games are just that. Only problem I've had with it had some huge caveats. I think there was a star OSU football player this year that sat out the playoff game. Buttttt..... he was a projected top 10 pick that had been hurt all year and had just gotten cleared to play from yet another injury. That guy gets a big time hall pass. Do what everybody in every other walk of life does and maximize your chances for a successful, happy life
At that point, being a "good teammate" would be to let the underclassmen/bench players get some minutes.
Ok, but then why should any athlete play any meaningless game. If you are an NBA prospect and it's clear your team is out of contention for the tournament by February, why not shut it down then? Are those remaining games any more meaningful than the NIT?
Quote from: 1SE on March 16, 2023, 05:43:07 AM
Ok, but then why should any athlete play any meaningless game. If you are an NBA prospect and it's clear your team is out of contention for the tournament by February, why not shut it down then? Are those remaining games any more meaningful than the NIT?
Conference tournament to get the autobid.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 15, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
When the options are "Play a meaningless game" or "Sit out and protect my draft stock for those sweet sweet millions in generational wealth for a first round contract" I always go with the latter. There are 30 regular season games showing that they were a good competitor and teammate. A game that means nothing isn't worth it.
Then Villanova should have passed on the invite like UNC did.
Are there really Scoopers who think that a projected top-10 pick who already missed a chunk of this season with a serious injury should have participated in the effen NIT?
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2023, 09:08:59 AM
Are there really Scoopers who think that a projected top-10 pick who already missed a chunk of this season with a serious injury should have participated in the effen NIT?
In a Venn diagram, probably the same ones who don't think players should make $$
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2023, 09:08:59 AM
Are there really Scoopers who think that a projected top-10 pick who already missed a chunk of this season with a serious injury should have participated in the effen NIT?
How is this any different than football players who opt out of bowl games?
I will give the opposite side of the argument. The NIT is a bona fide tournament with a long history. It is not the NCAA tournament for sure, but still lots of good quality players on teams that are fighting to win the tournament. For example , last year when X and Buzz got to the final it was a real battle in The Championship.
So this is an opportunity to put up to 5 decent games of film in a playoff situation where its win or out. That is of value to some talent evaluators.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 16, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
I will give the opposite side of the argument. The NIT is a bona fide tournament with a long history. It is not the NCAA tournament for sure, but still lots of good quality players on teams that are fighting to win the tournament. For example , last year when X and Buzz got to the final it was a real battle in The Championship.
So this is an opportunity to put up to 5 decent games of film in a playoff situation where its win or out. That is of value to some talent evaluators.
So you would've advised Grimes to play in the NIT then I guess.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 16, 2023, 02:41:36 PM
So you would've advised Grimes to play in the NIT then I guess.
Remember he is dead, no financial worries.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 16, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
I will give the opposite side of the argument. The NIT is a bona fide tournament with a long history. It is not the NCAA tournament for sure, but still lots of good quality players on teams that are fighting to win the tournament. For example , last year when X and Buzz got to the final it was a real battle in The Championship.
So this is an opportunity to put up to 5 decent games of film in a playoff situation where its win or out. That is of value to some talent evaluators.
Projected top ten picks don't need to get more film.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 16, 2023, 10:37:32 AM
How is this any different than football players who opt out of bowl games?
It's not.
I'd advise any legit NFL prospect to skip a non-playoff (in other words, exhibition) bowl game, too.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2023, 07:37:41 PM
It's not.
I'd advice any legit NFL prospect to skip a non-playoff (in other words, exhibition) bowl game, too.
Would they be expected to return their NIL money to companies that they contracted with? What about the bettors? Or fans who bought tickets to travel to see the games?
Skipping games when there was just a scholarship as a payment was easier to answer this question a few years ago but the landscape of college sports has changed a lot in the past few years. Pro sports have lists they publish (injuries, PUP, etc) that legally protects them from liability but college sports has no such thing currently.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2023, 09:08:59 AM
Are there really Scoopers who think that a projected top-10 pick who already missed a chunk of this season with a serious injury should have participated in the effen NIT?
Yes. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely close. Villanova likely competes for a championship if their best players play - which benefits everyone. Its part of building a culture. Your logic btw is awful: he should not have come back at all once injured - he should not have played college ball - whats the point? He would likely remained a top ten pick if he sat and worked with a top flight trainer the remainder of/or instead of the season. This whole "the NIT is meaningless" is also basically nonsense. So is the NCAA tournament when compared with making millions of dollars in the NBA. Players play and compete for championships whether its before conference play or after. Thats my 2 cents and I think you know where you can "effen" stick it...
All 5 Big East squads playing today. Lets hope they can all make it to Sunday. Would be good for The Big East cause. Especially with TV negotiations coming up, sets a nice table.
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on March 17, 2023, 07:22:05 AM
Yes. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely close. Villanova likely competes for a championship if their best players play - which benefits everyone. Its part of building a culture. Your logic btw is awful: he should not have come back at all once injured - he should not have played college ball - whats the point? He would likely remained a top ten pick if he sat and worked with a top flight trainer the remainder of/or instead of the season. This whole "the NIT is meaningless" is also basically nonsense. So is the NCAA tournament when compared with making millions of dollars in the NBA. Players play and compete for championships whether its before conference play or after. Thats my 2 cents and I think you know where you can "effen" stick it...
Lol
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on March 17, 2023, 07:22:05 AM
Yes. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely close. Villanova likely competes for a championship if their best players play - which benefits everyone. Its part of building a culture. Your logic btw is awful: he should not have come back at all once injured - he should not have played college ball - whats the point? He would likely remained a top ten pick if he sat and worked with a top flight trainer the remainder of/or instead of the season. This whole "the NIT is meaningless" is also basically nonsense. So is the NCAA tournament when compared with making millions of dollars in the NBA. Players play and compete for championships whether its before conference play or after. Thats my 2 cents and I think you know where you can "effen" stick it...
Wow, you're really hepped up about this. Cool. We'll agree to disagree. Most importantly, athletes will continue to agree to disagree with you, so you'll have plenty of clouds to shake your fist at every year.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2023, 06:09:22 AM
Would they be expected to return their NIL money to companies that they contracted with? What about the bettors? Or fans who bought tickets to travel to see the games?
Skipping games when there was just a scholarship as a payment was easier to answer this question a few years ago but the landscape of college sports has changed a lot in the past few years. Pro sports have lists they publish (injuries, PUP, etc) that legally protects them from liability but college sports has no such thing currently.
We'll have to see if lawsuits and/or NIL claw-backs come out of these situations, which will only grow in the future as athletes protect themselves by sitting out non-playoff bowls and non-NCAAT postseason events. I'm guessing there won't be a run of lawsuits, but maybe there will be.
I wish Whitmore and Moore nothing but success after making what, in my mind, was a sound business decision. And if they had chosen to play, I'd have supported that decision, too, though I might have advised otherwise.
Now ... bigger fish to fry today. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on March 17, 2023, 07:22:05 AM
Yes. Basketball is not football - the risk isn't remotely close. Villanova likely competes for a championship if their best players play - which benefits everyone. Its part of building a culture. Your logic btw is awful: he should not have come back at all once injured - he should not have played college ball - whats the point? He would likely remained a top ten pick if he sat and worked with a top flight trainer the remainder of/or instead of the season. This whole "the NIT is meaningless" is also basically nonsense. So is the NCAA tournament when compared with making millions of dollars in the NBA. Players play and compete for championships whether its before conference play or after. Thats my 2 cents and I think you know where you can "effen" stick it...
I'm sure that the players feel ashamed that they decided not to perform for you for the glory of the 69th (nice) place trophy.
Quote from: MU82 link=topic=63698.msg1535376#msg1535376 date=
Wow, you're really hepped up about this. Cool. We'll agree to disagree. Most importantly, athletes will continue to agree to disagree with you, so you'll have plenty of clouds to shake your fist at every year.
We'll have to see if lawsuits and/or NIL claw-backs come out of these situations, which will only grow in the future as athletes protect themselves by sitting out non-playoff bowls and non-NCAAT postseason events. I'm guessing there won't be a run of lawsuits, but maybe there will be.
I wish Whitmore and Moore nothing but success after making what, in my mind, was a sound business decision. And if they had chosen to play, I'd have supported that decision, too, though I might have advised otherwise.
Now ... bigger fish to fry today. We Are Marquette!
The question this raises is whether feelings would be the same with respect to the NCAA tournament itself. Or the Big East tournament. Or even late-season games after a player is already identified as a sure-fire lottery pick.
If one is going to make the argument that Whitmore is right to sit out the NIT because of the chance of injury, doesn't that also apply to the NCAA tournament? Yes, the NCAA is a more important tournament, but it doesn't provide any less chance of injury, and it's not going to have much of an impact on a guy who's already going to be picked among the top 10 in the NBA draft.
If someone wants to sit out the NCAA tournament, feel free. They won't because it's a tournament with actual meaning.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2023, 08:03:10 AM
Wow, you're really hepped up about this. Cool. We'll agree to disagree. Most importantly, athletes will continue to agree to disagree with you, so you'll have plenty of clouds to shake your fist at every year.
We'll have to see if lawsuits and/or NIL claw-backs come out of these situations, which will only grow in the future as athletes protect themselves by sitting out non-playoff bowls and non-NCAAT postseason events. I'm guessing there won't be a run of lawsuits, but maybe there will be.
I wish Whitmore and Moore nothing but success after making what, in my mind, was a sound business decision. And if they had chosen to play, I'd have supported that decision, too, though I might have advised otherwise.
Now ... bigger fish to fry today. We Are Marquette!
Pardon me but that's "effen" shake my fists at clouds lol. Go Marquette!
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 17, 2023, 08:31:42 AM
The question this raises is whether feelings would be the same with respect to the NCAA tournament itself. Or the Big East tournament. Or even late-season games after a player is already identified as a sure-fire lottery pick.
If one is going to make the argument that Whitmore is right to sit out the NIT because of the chance of injury, doesn't that also apply to the NCAA tournament? Yes, the NCAA is a more important tournament, but it doesn't provide any less chance of injury, and it's not going to have much of an impact on a guy who's already going to be picked among the top 10 in the NBA draft.
I'm not gonna engage in a hypothetical situation that I doubt will happen.
When McCaffrey and Fournette wisely decided to sit out exhibition bowl games after the 2016 season, hypotheticals were the rage -- "It's only a matter of time before some selfish prima donna sits out the national championship game." But it hasn't happened, and I don't think it will. Nor do I think top college basketball players who spent half their lives dreaming of "One Shining Moment" will sit out the NCAA tournament.
OTOH, I guess there is precedent (kinda). Al McGuire has been canonized for a number of things over the years -- one of them being advising Jim Chones to quit school to go pro late in the 1971-72 season, quashing the title hopes of one of the best Marquette teams ever.
It was a business decision.
X battles back to get a first round win. Each win earns the Big East NCAA units . More money is a good thing.
Pitino up 2 over Huskies at the Half
Excellent win for The Blue Jays. Picking up more NCAA units for The Big East. Also nice to beat an ACC team.
BEast about to get to 4-0. Hopefully Providence finds a way vs Kentucky.
Cooley screwed The Big East out of some NCAA units , too busy playing footsie with The Hoyas.
4-1 Big East still solid for First Round
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2023, 07:51:57 AM
All 5 Big East squads playing today. Lets hope they can all make it to Sunday.
Sorry, Prov. Hard to beat a better team, eh, Cooley, when you don't get 49 FT's to 19. See ya.
Glad for the other BE squads, don't feel bad about PC at all.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 17, 2023, 08:45:37 PM
Sorry, Prov. Hard to beat a better team, eh, Cooley, when you don't get 49 FT's to 19. See ya.
Glad for the other BE squads, don't feel bad about PC at all.
In recent weeks I have become bearish on Cooley, primarily for throwing his team under the bus before the season was over. I actually hope The Hoyas hire the Penn State Coach, but doubt he would leave a Big Ten program.
Another fine ending to a season by The Great Ed Cooley.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2023, 09:08:53 PM
In recent weeks I have become bearish on Cooley, primarily for throwing his team under the bus before the season was over. I actually hope The Hoyas hire the Penn State Coach, but doubt he would leave a Big Ten program.
Yea had to be a distraction for his team. And who would run to GT? The PennState guy is in a better spot now than he would be at GT. And Cooley has lost his tem with his distractions and leaving them in the lurch.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2023, 09:08:53 PM
In recent weeks I have become bearish on Cooley, primarily for throwing his team under the bus before the season was over. I actually hope The Hoyas hire the Penn State Coach, but doubt he would leave a Big Ten program.
No one on here has had the love for Cooley and company like you have Herman.
Thats a huge turnaround for someone who has always had his back. Strange end of the season for PC.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 17, 2023, 10:10:36 PM
No one on here has had the love for Cooley and company like you have Herman.
Thats a huge turnaround for someone who has always had his back. Strange end of the season for PC.
Not all that strange. I think because Wojo had so many fades and Cooley had a couple good finishes, lots of Scoopers think Cooley was some kind of late-season wizard. But his record shows otherwise.
22-23: 14-3 start; 7-9 finish, including losses in 5 of last 6 games.
21-22: Good all season long and earned 2 of the only 3 NCAAT wins of his 17-year career.
20-21: 6-10 over final 2 months, including first-round BET loss to DePaul.
19-20: Won final 6 games in season that was ended by COVID-19.
18-19: After 10-3 start, had 8-13 finish, including losses in 9 of last 14 games to miss NCAAs.
17-18: After 14-6 start, went 7-8.
16-17: Won last 6 regular-season games to make the NCAAs but then lost first BET game and NCAAT game.
2015-16: After 14-1 start got Prov into top-10 with 2 future NBA players, went 10-10 in stretch that began with first of 2 losses to mediocre Marquette team.
2014-15: After 17-6 start, went 5-6.
2013-14: Strong finish, including BET title, but did lose in first-round NCAAT game.
2012-13: Lost final regular-season game and then BET game to miss NCAAT.
2011-12: After 11-2 start, went 4-15.
Cooley had a couple very good finishes, a few OK finishes, and a bunch of meh. He's a better finisher than Wojo was -- welcome to the club!
Creighton Press Conference.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHDVvaAJQHw
Should be a good game against The Bears on Sunday.
Game in Denver . So Rabid Blue Jay fans have enough time to drive to the game
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2023, 10:59:45 PM
Not all that strange. I think because Wojo had so many fades and Cooley had a couple good finishes, lots of Scoopers think Cooley was some kind of late-season wizard. But his record shows otherwise.
22-23: 14-3 start; 7-9 finish, including losses in 5 of last 6 games.
21-22: Good all season long and earned 2 of the only 3 NCAAT wins of his 17-year career.
20-21: 6-10 over final 2 months, including first-round BET loss to DePaul.
19-20: Won final 6 games in season that was ended by COVID-19.
18-19: After 10-3 start, had 8-13 finish, including losses in 9 of last 14 games to miss NCAAs.
17-18: After 14-6 start, went 7-8.
16-17: Won last 6 regular-season games to make the NCAAs but then lost first BET game and NCAAT game.
2015-16: After 14-1 start got Prov into top-10 with 2 future NBA players, went 10-10 in stretch that began with first of 2 losses to mediocre Marquette team.
2014-15: After 17-6 start, went 5-6.
2013-14: Strong finish, including BET title, but did lose in first-round NCAAT game.
2012-13: Lost final regular-season game and then BET game to miss NCAAT.
2011-12: After 11-2 start, went 4-15.
Cooley had a couple very good finishes, a few OK finishes, and a bunch of meh. He's a better finisher than Wojo was -- welcome to the club!
Wasnt comparing him to Wojo...but Ok.
Sean Miller at X playing his alma mater Pitt tomorrow.
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/03/18/xavier-hc-sean-miller-reflects-on-pitt-career-panthers-job-opening-years-ago/
Warren Buffett Berkshire employee has a lot riding on Creighton....
https://omaha.com/news/local/one-lucky-berkshire-employee-has-100-000-riding-on-creighton-in-ncaa-tournament/article_dee88848-c52b-11ed-83f0-0f8d9440a19f.html
Creighton facing tough Baylor back court
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/triple-threat-baylor-backcourt-stands-in-creighton-s-path-to-sweet-16/article_31f74902-c5c2-11ed-ae66-334085a461c6.html
Quote from: Herman Cain link=topic=63698.msg1536850#msg1536850 date=
Sean Miller at X playing his alma mater Pitt tomorrow.
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/03/18/xavier-hc-sean-miller-reflects-on-pitt-career-panthers-job-opening-years-ago/
No doubt planned by the committee because they love arranging this sort of matchup.
Pregame Analysis from X fan website. Has some good tale of the tape player comparisons.
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2023/3/18/23646469/xavier-v-pitt-ncaa-tournament-preview-basketball-march-madness-matchups-keys-to-the-game
Could Greg be the X factor today............ 8-)
Hope Greg goes off and has a great last game but the big east needs some serious success this first year without Nova so go X.
X playing well early
X winning big , despite Boum not playing well. Nunge and Kunkel doing their thing.
X with an excellent win over Greg and The Panthers
1 Big East in S16 now we need next 3 to do their part
MU turn to hold serve now
U Conn depth expected to be an asset against St. Mary's
https://www.courant.com/2023/03/19/depth-of-its-rotation-is-the-biggest-ncaa-tournament-asset-for-the-uconn-mens-basketball-team/
So, the same as every game this season.
Hard to believe Butler actually beat K State earlier this year 76-64.
Delighted to see The Wildcats beat The Wildcats .
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 19, 2023, 04:02:56 PM
Hard to believe Butler actually beat K State earlier this year 76-64.
Using the transitive property, which is full-proof, K State has no chance against us.
U Conn and Creighton both with 11 point leads. Would like to see these two get into S16.
Pulling hard for our BE brethren- earn credits!
Look at the rest of the BE pulling their weight
U Conn gives The Big East 2 teams in the Sweet 16
Blue Jays need continue playing strong in second half against Baylor
When Creighton is doing their thing , they are sure fun to watch.
Blue Jays up 15 with 4:52 left
Creighton advances to their 2nd Sweet 16 in 3 years.
So we got 3 Big East Sweet 16. Better than a kick in a butt.
Brutal we're not there, but BE leads in S16 representation and winning pct. by conference so far. Not that it matter much, but nice validation for our BE titles.
Hopefully we get at least 2 (if not all 3) to the E8.
Nembhard had a great game at the right time .
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/ryan-nembhard-explodes-for-career-high-30-to-lead-creighton-to-second-sweet-16-in/article_9e123a52-c68f-11ed-bf34-4f1b61ee7a1b.html
U Conn pounding The Hogs.
X and Creighton need to show up Friday and play strong. If both win that will be huge for The Big East.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 23, 2023, 10:44:46 PM
X and Creighton need to show up Friday and play strong. If both win that will be huge for The Big East.
I would be heavily surprised if Xavier won...they just aren't that good without Freemantle.
I would be even more surprised if Creighton lost. They should cruise.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 23, 2023, 10:44:46 PM
X and Creighton need to show up Friday and play strong. If both win that will be huge for The Big East.
Agreed....would be great. LFG BEAST
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 11:29:52 PM
I would be heavily surprised if Xavier won...they just aren't that good without Freemantle.
I would be even more surprised if Creighton lost. They should cruise.
Boum has not olayed his best lately. X will need a big game from Souley.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 11:29:52 PM
I would be heavily surprised if Xavier won...they just aren't that good without Freemantle.
I would be even more surprised if Creighton lost. They should cruise.
What?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 11:29:52 PM
I would be heavily surprised if Xavier won...they just aren't that good without Freemantle.
I would be even more surprised if Creighton lost. They should cruise.
Texas is very tough, so I would definitely not call X favorites. That said, they are arguably (and statistically) better without Freemantle, though vulnerable given the depth shortage. The improvement on defense as a team has been substantial, and Claude and Hunter have made significant strides offensively. Fatigue hurt them in the BET Championship, but with the NCAA tourney schedule riding with seven is very doable. In X's case, it may be more of 6.5 because Edwards is a sizable drop off. The TX guards may be able to exploit Boum and Kunkel defensively, which I suspect will be the difference in the game unless X has a hot shooting night. Boum is due.
UConn on the court, all is well. Off the court UConn cant get a break in Vegas. After the dirty rooms issue no this.
https://www.nhregister.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/ncaa-tournament-las-vegas-connecticut-bus-theft-17857039.php?utm_campaign=nhregister_breakingnews_20230324&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
UConn men's basketball team has personal items stolen from bus while practicing for NCAA Tournament
Mike Anthony
March 24, 2023
Updated: March 24, 2023 8:48 a.m.
LAS VEGAS — Before the UConn men's basketball team used the visible portion of its workweek Thursday night to show that it can and maybe should win a national championship with the way it demolished Arkansas in the Sweet 16, the Huskies found themselves uniquely challenged in trying to settle into NCAA Tournament life on and off the Vegas Strip.
Players and coaches did not figure on having to contact local police regarding the theft of numerous personal belongings from the team bus, for example.
Already on Tuesday the Huskies had checked into one hotel only to find room conditions it considered deplorable, and worked toward finding another. As that process played out over the afternoon hours, the team practiced at the Thomas & Mack Center on the University of Nevada, Las Vegas campus.
There, several items were stolen off the bus as the Huskies were inside, according to several players, athletic director David Benedict and coach Dan Hurley. A police report was filed, players and Benedict said. The report and further details from police were not immediately available Thursday night.
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"Disaster," Hurley said after the Huskies swept past the Razorbacks like a desert wind storm, 88-65, to move into an Elite Eight game Saturday against Gonzaga. "Then stuff gets stolen. It was a debacle. Obviously when you play at UConn, you have tremendous resources. The way we travel gives us a chance to pursue championships. It wasn't what you expected when you got to Las Vegas for the Sweet 16. We didn't know there would be police reports from day one. We didn't know we'd be moving with our tails between our legs back into the hotel just to get our bags and leave. It was an awkward situation. But now we're in a much better place."
In total, Benedict said, a handful of UConn players were theft victims. Freshman center Donovan Clingan was among them.
"My iPad," Clingan said. "A manager had his laptop stolen. I had to go buy a new [iPad]. We were practicing at UNLV and my backpack was on the bus. I remember leaving my backpack on the bus, on the seat. I came back, it's opened up. They didn't take my Beats [headphones]. They didn't take my laptop. But my iPad was gone."
Clingan said he used an app on his phone to track the iPad's location.
"And there it was, like three miles away," he said, shaking his head in a UConn locker room, all around him another round of happy basketball conversations taking place. "The only way to turn this week around is to win two games."
One down.
UConn looked like 1985 Georgetown or 1991 UNLV or, heck, 2004 UConn on Thursday. Adama Sanogo and Jordan Hawkins were today's version of Emeka Okafor and Ben Gordon. The Huskies built a 29-point lead, playing nearly perfect basketball, to move within one victory of the Final Four.
Essentially displaced, then ripped off, they owned the T-Mobile court. The played as an immovable force, suffocating the Razorbacks, who had knocked off top-seeded Kansas in the second round. They rebounded and moved the ball so precisely through all nine options in the rotation, the team's depth applying the final spin to some narratives or concerns.
Remember in another lifetime, or a week-plus ago, when it was easy to wonder if UConn, given its recent NCAA shortcomings, would get by Rick Pitino and Iona in the first round? How quickly everything has changed with three emphatic victories.
Remember the midseason struggles when this team talked about identity but lost six of eight games while searching for it? The Huskies didn't need a travel agent or a cop to find it.
Remember when it was fair to wonder if Dan Hurley could win a close game? Well, he hasn't had to because his team is apparently wired so properly to meet this moment. UConn has planned and executed at an elite level and three opponents have been cast aside as if they were playing a different sport in the decisive moments, which came immediately on Thursday. Arkansas had no chance.
"I just feel like this group, I'll be honest, had a look about us before we even got to this tournament," senior guard Nahiem Alleyne said. "We had a devastating loss in the Big East Tournament to Marquette. That really hurt us because we knew we had them, we knew we had that. Coming in, we just had to worry about the little details that would help us win. We've done a really good job during all the games."
UConn, despite what it went through upon arrival, hasn't looked this ready for a task in years. And they've been better with each passing game.
The Huskies had gotten off to slow starts against Iona and St. Mary's. They wasted no time Thursday. Hawkins, whose first-half struggles had been particularly glaring, had 24 points, 10 before halftime.
"I could see in practice, this guy was going to go off," Sanogo said.
Sanogo himself is going off. He had 18 points, making 9 of 11 shots, and is now 33-for-44 in the tournament. Alex Karaban was 5-for-5 and had 11 points, one of nine players to score. UConn shot 57.4 percent and had 22 assists.
Long stretches of this game were a show. It was 46-29 at halftime. Arkansas coach Eric Musselman spent a lot of time with his hands on his hips, seemingly perplexed. A Karaban 3-pointer made it 53-31. An Alleyne 3 made it 56-33. A 3 by Hawkins, followed by his making three consecutive free throws because he was fouled on another attempt, made it 62-33 and it was all over.
There was more than 15 minutes remaining. Even a 10-0 Arkansas spurt did nothing to affect the vibe. Hawkins hit a 3, then Alleyne hit another.
"The inside, the outside, and the rebounding dominance," Hurley said. "Really where we are right now is exactly where we talked about where we would be when we got together."
By this time last year, the season was over and a rebuilding project had begun.
This is the result. The team is so good.
Hurley mentioned several years ago that, "It's coming." It's here. The program is so solid, first-round losses in 2021 and 2022 just footnotes, if that.
"I apologized to them for not having enough around them in that New Mexico State game in terms of enough shooting and enough different ways to open up things for them, and that I'm going to build a roster around you," Hurley said of talking to returning core players. "You're going to have enough help around you, both through Donovan and Karaban coming in, and then some strategic additions via transfer that we will not be back in this position feeling like we do again next March."
UConn is comfortable now. What a week this is becoming, no matter how it started.
"The stuff stolen off the bus, we're still trying to get to the bottom of it," said graduate guard Joey Calcaterra, who was not among the victims. "I just feel bad for the guys who had some stuff taken."
Clingan's iPad and the manager's laptop were said to be the most valuable items. Some hats and other such items were stolen, too.
But UConn players could go to sleep Thursday night — in their new, sufficient hotel — knowing that the team is getting, so far, all it wanted out of this trip. The Huskies are playing their best basketball heading into the biggest game in recent program history.
"I think we played good but I think we can definitely do better," Sanogo said. "I think we can play better than this."
Already, they're playing at the level that national champions do.
"When we start clicking, we're really clicking," Calcaterra said. "We don't get too up, don't get too down. We still have a lot of work to do. The coaches have been killing the scouts and it's just a locked in group. So we're not going to get too high on this one. We're just focused on the Elite Eight now. I feel one coming where we can say that was truly our best 40."
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ADVERSITY
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2023, 08:58:43 AM
Don't understand? Or don't agree?
Don't agree at all about X being worse without Fremantle. I think they've been better defensively. Hurts their depth. Not saying they win tonight but I doubt it'll because of no Fremantle
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2023, 09:17:27 AM
Don't agree at all about X being worse without Fremantle. I think they've been better defensively. Hurts their depth. Not saying they win tonight but I doubt it'll because of no Fremantle
Their depth has just not been good. Finished the season 6-3 without Freemantle including a loss to Butler and then were clearly dead against Marquette in the title game at MSG.
Doesn't bode too well for a tournament setting.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2023, 09:28:43 AM
Their depth has just not been good. Finished the season 6-3 without Freemantle including a loss to Butler and then were clearly dead against Marquette in the title game at MSG.
Doesn't bode too well for a tournament setting.
Didn't bode too well for the Big East Tournament setting, where a team has to play 3 straight days.
In the NCAA tournament, X has now had 5 full days off. Then, if they win, they'll get another day off -- and will have played once in a week -- before having to play again.
Having said that, Texas is simply the better team. I don't bet, but if I did the 4-point spread looks pretty inviting.
Creighton with a good opportunity tonight to make Elite 8
It's been a crazy tournament, but tonight's games involving the 2 Big East teams are going pretty much exactly as they should be going. So far, at least.
Creighton helping The Big East cause with tonights win. Impressed how The Blue Jays battled back this season from the lousy pre-season.
SDSU is going to be a tough physical opponent .
Big East with two teams in Elite 8 is a very good post Jay Wright Nova performance
U Conn needs to impose its will early on Gonzaga.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/creighton-ends-princetons-cinderella-run-sweet-16
Fantastic win for U Conn. This really helps The Big East Cause .
Now Creighton has to hold serve against SDSU
https://nypost.com/2023/03/26/doug-mcdermott-is-in-comfort-zone-at-creighton/amp/
The last I heard he was a lock for ND.
Unfortunate way to lose for Creighton.
I am sure Creighton scoop is melting down.
Quote from: tower912 on March 26, 2023, 03:42:22 PM
I am sure Creighton scoop is melting down.
Oh, you mean cus coop?
U Conn the sole Big East hope now. Need to beat Miami from ACC to assert our league superiority.
I am delighted none of the vaunted Big 12 squads made the Final Four.
Big East trending up .
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 26, 2023, 09:26:34 PM
U Conn the sole Big East hope now. Need to beat Miami from ACC to assert our league superiority.
I am delighted none of the vaunted Big 12 squads made the Final Four.
Big East trending up .
Depending on transfers, NBA, the Big East may have 3 teams hanging around the Top 10 all year (UConn, CU, and MU). Not sure about X, but wouldn't count them out, and STJ may have a load of talent if Pittino's NIL deals go through.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 27, 2023, 08:18:39 AM
Depending on transfers, NBA, the Big East may have 3 teams hanging around the Top 10 all year (UConn, CU, and MU). Not sure about X, but wouldn't count them out, and STJ may have a load of talent if Pittino's NIL deals go through.
I think Xavier has a chance to plummet in the Big East rankings next year.
Nunge, Kunkel, Jones, Boum all gone.
Freemantle possible as well.
Miller could easily retool but those don't always play out perfectly in year 1. Will be interesting to see.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2023, 09:31:25 AM
I think Xavier has a chance to plummet in the Big East rankings next year.
Nunge, Kunkel, Jones, Boum all gone.
Freemantle possible as well.
Miller could easily retool but those don't always play out perfectly in year 1. Will be interesting to see.
I have faith that Miller will nail the transfer markets. Looks like he'll add Kerr Kiirsa who is a volatile but good point guard. All that's really left from him to recruit is a front court. And Miller can offer any big men in the portal a starting role instantly.
Torvik has Xavier outside the top-100, but I think we'll see Kriisa and likely a proven big and wing. They probably won't be as good (Marquette, UConn, Creighton likely the top of the league) but they'll be competitive. My guess is we have three protected seeds again, with a handful of teams (Xavier, St. John's, Georgetown) pushing for bids as well.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 27, 2023, 09:37:48 AM
I have faith that Miller will nail the transfer markets. Looks like he'll add Kerr Kiirsa who is a volatile but good point guard. All that's really left from him to recruit is a front court. And Miller can offer any big men in the portal a starting role instantly.
I don't think Kerr Kriisa is what everyone thinks. He's a hothead that is extremely streaky, but I guess better than what X has now. Also was on a visit to West Virginia all weekend.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2023, 09:41:41 AM
I don't think Kerr Kriisa is what everyone thinks. He's a hothead that is extremely streaky, but I guess better than what X has now. Also was on a visit to West Virginia all weekend.
Isn't that exactly what everyone thinks Kriisa is? But good lord, he would be a terrible fit for Huggins. It would be as bad as St. John's trying to force Curbelo into their system. I think Huggins would probably kill him in a timeout before the end of December.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2023, 09:46:40 AM
Isn't that exactly what everyone thinks Kriisa is? But good lord, he would be a terrible fit for Huggins. It would be as bad as St. John's trying to force Curbelo into their system. I think Huggins would probably kill him in a timeout before the end of December.
I believe old friend Jose Perez hosted him all weekend.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2023, 09:48:52 AM
I believe old friend Jose Perez hosted him all weekend.
Huggy's going to have an aneurysm with that lineup.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2023, 09:51:27 AM
Huggy's going to have an aneurysm with that lineup.
The comments from West Virginia fans seem to agree hahaha
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1639845282836824064?t=gXoniN9Thu33nYgeGmfgVg&s=19
For those with a subscription to The Athletic, awesome article on Hurley:
https://theathletic.com/4348076/2023/03/27/final-four-uconn-ncaa-tournament-dan-hurley/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983
He almost quit basketball entirely as a 20-year-old because he "hated" it, and he felt like he'd never live up to his family name. Now look at him.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2023, 09:31:25 AM
I think Xavier has a chance to plummet in the Big East rankings next year.
Nunge, Kunkel, Jones, Boum all gone.
Freemantle possible as well.
Miller could easily retool but those don't always play out perfectly in year 1. Will be interesting to see.
Jones likely gone, but that's not certain. Per X fans at Holyland of Hoops site, Nunge could actually have a chance of returning to use his covid year, but he would be in his 7th year (had two years out at Iowa). But a 7th year would be new territory for the NCAA. X fans also say he might be enticed by NIL $$ if he were to get a waiver. Who knows, but that whole scenario seems dubious.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2023, 09:31:25 AM
I think Xavier has a chance to plummet in the Big East rankings next year.
Nunge, Kunkel, Jones, Boum all gone.
Freemantle possible as well.
Miller could easily retool but those don't always play out perfectly in year 1. Will be interesting to see.
Colby Jones is only a Junior.
Kunkel is Senior and out of eligibility and Jerome Hunter is a Senior also.
Colby Jones is a certain first-round draft pick. He's going, going, gone, goodbye.
Xavier may take a step back next year but they do have the 13th best recruiting class according to 247.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2023, 11:11:41 AM
Colby Jones is a certain first-round draft pick. He's going, going, gone, goodbye.
I don't know about certain. I just clicked on about 10 different mock drafts. Most have him late first or early second. Saw him as high as late teens but as low as 50.
Good at all things, great at not much in my opinion. He probably should come out given that he's a junior and I'm not sure he has much more to prove. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the second round.
Marquette #5 in The Sporting News way-too-early 23/24 top 25. UConn #1.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2023, 11:31:32 AM
I don't know about certain. I just clicked on about 10 different mock drafts. Most have him late first or early second. Saw him as high as late teens but as low as 50.
Good at all things, great at not much in my opinion. He probably should come out given that he's a junior and I'm not sure he has much more to prove. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the second round.
Thanks, wades. I hadn't looked at mock drafts the last couple weeks. I had seen him as a mid to late first-round pick.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2023, 10:11:03 AM
For those with a subscription to The Athletic, awesome article on Hurley:
https://theathletic.com/4348076/2023/03/27/final-four-uconn-ncaa-tournament-dan-hurley/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983
He almost quit basketball entirely as a 20-year-old because he "hated" it, and he felt like he'd never live up to his family name. Now look at him.
I guess you either love Hurley or you hate him!
Big East Earns 15 NCAA Units. Paid out $30 million over 6 years. Don't know how this is distributed ,assuming equal plus a share for Conference, would be pretty good coin for each school in the Conference.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1640093396344664064?cxt=HHwWgMCz-aOQ5MItAAAA
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 28, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Big East Earns 15 NCAA Units. Paid out $30 million over 6 years. Don't know how this is distributed ,assuming equal plus a share for Conference, would be pretty good coin for each school in the Conference.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1640093396344664064?cxt=HHwWgMCz-aOQ5MItAAAA
Assuming that's correct, with one share to the Conference and one to each of the 11 schools, that's $2,500,000 per school, paid $416,666 per year per school.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 28, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Big East Earns 15 NCAA Units. Paid out $30 million over 6 years. Don't know how this is distributed ,assuming equal plus a share for Conference, would be pretty good coin for each school in the Conference.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1640093396344664064?cxt=HHwWgMCz-aOQ5MItAAAA
Tax filings appear to indicate an uneven distribution, but sometimes people mess up on their taxes, so who knows
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
Assuming that's correct, with one share to the Conference and one to each of the 11 schools, that's $2,500,000 per school, paid $416,666 per year per school.
Straight to the NIL fund!
Scoop should agitate for a share to cover operating costs. The crapshoot discussion alone probably required an additional server and storage space.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 28, 2023, 04:25:40 PM
Schools can have no NIL fund
You don't think schools find a way to get their money into NIL funds that are already created for them?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 28, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
You don't think schools find a way to get their money into NIL funds that are already created for them?
You're not familiar with his pedantic loser schtick?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 28, 2023, 04:34:49 PM
You're not familiar with his pedantic loser schtick?
No. I usually read quickly through that stuff.
I almost forgot Bucky was playing in the NIT semis tonite. Does this mean they had a more successful season than us? 👀
Badgers did not score for the final 9:08 of the game?
Wow
Lol at that Badger showing in 2H. Pitiful.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2023, 08:04:08 PM
Badgers did not score for the final 9:08 of the game?
Wow
13 pts in the 2nd half.
Bucky's last possession trying to tie the game was embarrassing. Where's NLW when you need him?
The badgers still exceeded expectations this year. Picked 9th in the B1G and made the NIT final four. Hard to expect more than that.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 28, 2023, 08:09:03 PM
The badgers still exceeded expectations this year. Picked 9th in the B1G and made the NIT final four. Hard to expect more than that.
Teams picked ninth should get a 2 seed in the NCAA.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 28, 2023, 08:07:42 PM
Bucky's last possession trying to tie the game was embarrassing. Where's NLW when you need him?
nlw should get this framed:
(https://images2.imgbox.com/fa/45/21ZxnxWz_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/21ZxnxWz)
UVA prospect Isaac Traudt may be heading to Creighton
https://www.streakingthelawn.com/2023/3/27/23654116/uva-basketball-virginia-cavaliers-isaac-traudt-transfer-portal-creighton-nebraska
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 28, 2023, 08:09:03 PM
The badgers still exceeded expectations this year. Picked 9th in the B1G and made the NIT final four. Hard to expect more than that.
Except they didn't finish 9th they were 12th
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 29, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
Except they didn't finish 9th they were 12th
you are correct, sir
Bryce Hopkins and Devin Carter announced they will return to Providence next season.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 31, 2023, 11:10:21 AM
Bryce Hopkins and Devin Carter announced they will return to Providence next season.
Must've lost to Kim English in 1 on 1.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 31, 2023, 11:10:21 AM
Bryce Hopkins and Devin Carter announced they will return to Providence next season.
I thought Hopkins would make the jump to the pros. Big addition for the Friars.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2023, 11:45:23 AM
I thought Hopkins would make the jump to the pros. Big addition for the Friars.
Total rebuild for Sean Miller after year 1. Now you see why Shaka built his year 1 with a strong base of young guys.
Colby Jones now will forego his remaining eligibility and enter the draft.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2023, 12:31:29 PM
Total rebuild for Sean Miller after year 1. Now you see why Shaka built his year 1 with a strong base of young guys.
Colby Jones now will forego his remaining eligibility and enter the draft.
Was just going to post. My daughter just texted me.
Per UConn, Jordan Hawkins was feeling under the weather this morning with a non-COVID illness and is resting in the team hotel. He won't participate in open practice today.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
Per UConn, Jordan Hawkins was feeling under the weather this morning with a non-COVID illness and is resting in the team hotel. He won't participate in open practice today.
Crapshoot
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2023, 12:31:29 PM
Total rebuild for Sean Miller after year 1. Now you see why Shaka built his year 1 with a strong base of young guys.
Colby Jones now will forego his remaining eligibility and enter the draft.
My kid said Colby is still going to classes. She's seen him all week.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 31, 2023, 03:04:23 PM
My kid said Colby is still going to classes. She's seen him all week.
Must be a nerd
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 link=topic=63698.msg1542740#msg1542740 date=
Total rebuild for Sean Miller after year 1. Now you see why Shaka built his year 1 with a strong base of young guys.
Seriously?
Shaka chose to rebuild in year 1 because there simply wasn't a deep talent pool to build around. He tried to keep Carton and Garcia, but they chose not to stay and had to be replaced. He wisely chose to cut Akanno, Torrance and Perez loose and take a chance with replacements. And Stevie and Kam were already committed.
And you're forgetting that two of his year 1 starters were 5th-year grad transfer seniors (Morsell and Kuath).
If Shaka had inherited a roster built like Xavier's, he would have done exactly like Miller did in trying to retain everyone who contributed to the NIT championship and then filling the lone gap at PG.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 31, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
Seriously?
Shaka chose to rebuild in year 1 because there simply wasn't a deep talent pool to build around. He tried to keep Carton and Garcia, but they chose not to stay and had to be replaced. He wisely chose to cut Akanno, Torrance and Perez loose and take a chance with replacements. And Stevie and Kam were already committed.
And you're forgetting that two of his year 1 starters were 5th-year grad transfer seniors (Morsell and Kuath).
If Shaka had inherited a roster built like Xavier's, he would have done exactly like Miller did in trying to retain everyone who contributed to the NIT championship and then filling the lone gap at PG.
Nothing you just said disputes anything I said.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2023, 03:59:20 PM
Nothing you just said disputes anything I said.
It pretty much does. You claim we see why Shaka "chose" to build the roster like he did instead of doing it how Miller "chose" to because now Miller has a "total rebuild."
The rosters they inherited were entirely different. They didn't have the same "choice" to make. Also, you can build a roster either way and have success (or fail). Guys like Muss and Chris Beard are constantly building through 1 and done freshman and 1 and done transfers and have success.
To play my best GE03 impersonation, "Maybe Miller will rebuild with 1 year guys and have success. Or maybe he won't have success. We'll find out!"
Quote from: withoutbias link=topic=63698.msg1542835#msg1542835 date=
It pretty much does. You claim we see why Shaka "chose" to build the roster like he did instead of doing it how Miller "chose" to because now Miller has a "total rebuild."
The rosters they inherited were entirely different. They didn't have the same "choice" to make. Also, you can build a roster either way and have success (or fail). Guys like Muss and Chris Beard are constantly building through 1 and done freshman and 1 and done transfers and have success.
To play my best GE03 impersonation, "Maybe Miller will rebuild with 1 year guys and have success. Or maybe he won't have success. We'll find out!"
Exactly.
It sounded like GE03 was trying to suggest that Shaka made a better decision with his year 1 roster than Miller did.
I dispute that because the situations were very different and handled very differently. Nothing about what Miller did tells you anything about "why Shaka built his year 1 with a strong base of young guys."
Quote from: withoutbias on March 31, 2023, 04:20:43 PM
It pretty much does. You claim we see why Shaka "chose" to build the roster like he did instead of doing it how Miller "chose" to because now Miller has a "total rebuild."
The rosters they inherited were entirely different. They didn't have the same "choice" to make. Also, you can build a roster either way and have success (or fail). Guys like Muss and Chris Beard are constantly building through 1 and done freshman and 1 and done transfers and have success.
To play my best GE03 impersonation, "Maybe Miller will rebuild with 1 year guys and have success. Or maybe he won't have success. We'll find out!"
Shaka could have quite easily recruited portal guys that were all Morsell/Kuath/Greg Elliot types that had experience. I'm not knocking what Miller did, because quite frankly I don't care how he does it. I was just simply saying we see why Shaka built his year 1 roster the way he did, because now Kolek, OMax, Joplin, Kam, Stevie, Oso are core pieces that expect to be around awhile.
I think you're reaching a bit too deep there.
There are multiple ways to build a roster. Some will try to reload upperclassmen with the portal every season. Others will try to bring in high school and young transfers and develop them over multiple seasons. Neither is inherently better than the other, both present challenges. Shaka elected for the latter of the two options. Would he have chosen differently with a different starting roster? Maybe, I don't know.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2023, 04:39:56 PM
There are multiple ways to build a roster. Some will try to reload upperclassmen with the portal every season. Others will try to bring in high school and young transfers and develop them over multiple seasons. Neither is inherently better than the other, both present challenges. Shaka elected for the latter of the two options. Would he have chosen differently with a different starting roster? Maybe, I don't know.
Agreed. I'm not saying Shaka would have done it differently if he were in Miller's spot. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't have. I'm sure Miller will have a good squad next year too.
But we see why Shaka did it the way he did. Stability with a chance at early returns of success. It couldn't have worked any better. Add a few veterans to a main core of young guys and let them grow. And now he really doesn't have to add anything but young talent, unless an opportunity for a splash presents itself.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 link=topic=63698.msg1542847#msg1542847 date=
Agreed. I'm not saying Shaka would have done it differently if he were in Miller's spot. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't have. I'm sure Miller will have a good squad next year too.
But we see why Shaka did it the way he did. Stability with a chance at early returns of success. It couldn't have worked any better. Add a few veterans to a main core of young guys and let them grow. And now he really doesn't have to add anything but young talent, unless an opportunity for a splash presents itself.
Except we knew why he did it the way he did two years ago--he told us as much at the time he landed all the young guys.
I don't get your comment that "Now we see. . . " as if we didn't know before this year. Nor the comparison to Xavier.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 31, 2023, 11:10:21 AM
Bryce Hopkins and Devin Carter announced they will return to Providence next season.
Excellent News for English Enterprises
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 31, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
Seriously?
Shaka chose to rebuild in year 1 because there simply wasn't a deep talent pool to build around. He tried to keep Carton and Garcia, but they chose not to stay and had to be replaced. He wisely chose to cut Akanno, Torrance and Perez loose and take a chance with replacements. And Stevie and Kam were already committed.
And you're forgetting that two of his year 1 starters were 5th-year grad transfer seniors (Morsell and Kuath).
If Shaka had inherited a roster built like Xavier's, he would have done exactly like Miller did in trying to retain everyone who contributed to the NIT championship and then filling the lone gap at PG.
How do you know that he tried to keep Carton and Garcia?
After the hiring, Carton was effusive in his praise of Shaka, said he looked forward to playing for him. After Shaka met with him he was gone. We got Morsell and were better off. After Garcia left, we got OMax and were better off.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 31, 2023, 06:04:15 PM
How do you know that he tried to keep Carton and Garcia?
After the hiring, Carton was effusive in his praise of Shaka, said he looked forward to playing for him. After Shaka met with him he was gone. We got Morsell and were better off. After Garcia left, we got OMax and were better off.
I think both were welcome if they bought into the culture Shaka was building.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 31, 2023, 03:04:23 PM
My kid said Colby is still going to classes. She's seen him all week.
He announced his declaration for the draft and said his thank yous and goodbyes on Twitter.
I guess that doesn't preclude him from finishing out the last few weeks of the semester.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2023, 06:17:15 PM
I think both were welcome if they bought into the culture Shaka was building.
Don't disagree.
Annoying UConn guy wins the internet today.
https://twitter.com/noescalators/status/1641908284579004416?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Adam Zagoria: Dan Hurley says it won't take Rick Pitino long to get St. John's back in NCAA Tournament.
NoEscalators: No one has ever disputed the man gets things done quickly
Excellent pick up for The Blue Jays getting Isaac Traudt. Redshirted at UVA so he Has four years of eligibility left. Classic Creighton Big who can shoot it.
If the Blue Jays can keep their core lineup intact they should be in good shape heading into next year.
https://gocreighton.com/news/2023/3/31/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-adds-virginia-transfer-isaac-traudt.aspx
After the near miss The Blue Jays should be coming out strong next season. Was an emotional moment in their locker room after the SDSU loss.
https://youtu.be/2CiIE0reWRk
Rooting for U Conn to stay strong down the stretch.
Excellent outcome for The Big East getting another team to the final helps the leagues cause .
As expected Colby Jones declares for the draft. I have enjoyed watching him play for X.
https://twitter.com/kovajoness/status/1641848384909705217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1641848384909705217%7Ctwgr%5E88ff3f9359a8b4bf6e760bb1523c74263c4944be%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fxavier%2F2023%2F03%2F31%2Fcolby-jones-xavier-musketeers-guard-declares-for-2023-nba-draft%2F70069682007%2F
UConn should be required to play Marquette best 2 out of 3 for a real National Championship...
UCONN has done the Big East an incredible solid with this run. Feels like their run coupled with the coaching changes the last few years has pushed the Big East over the top as the premier hoops conference once again. Kenpom numbers will lag a bit since the bottom few teams suck but nobody cares about that.
I picture the ACC just red in the face shaking right now with jealousy. They may try to go after some of the BE teams out of pure desperation.
Quote from: mcderjim on April 01, 2023, 10:35:53 PM
UConn should be required to play Marquette best 2 out of 3 for a real National Championship...
They already did. We won.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 01, 2023, 10:45:25 PM
UCONN has done the Big East an incredible solid with this run. Feels like their run coupled with the coaching changes the last few years has pushed the Big East over the top as the premier hoops conference once again. Kenpom numbers will lag a bit since the bottom few teams suck but nobody cares about that.
I picture the ACC just red in the face shaking right now with jealousy. They may try to go after some of the BE teams out of pure desperation.
Agree. I was really hoping that Creighton made it into the FF, better yet into the championship game vs. UCONN. What a way to not only impress everyone in college bball, but also we would have gotten to watch the ESPN guys having to acknowledge the BE success in the tourney. ;D
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2023, 11:45:23 AM
I thought Hopkins would make the jump to the pros. Big addition for the Friars.
Yep. English is off to a good start at Providence.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 09:20:00 AM
Yep. English is off to a good start at Providence.
English bringing in his two time All A-10 6-9 235 center helps the cause as well.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 09:20:00 AM
Yep. English is off to a good start at Providence.
We'll see. He has a lot of holes to fill before I'm willing to say it's a good start. I'm also curious to see how he handles the Breed gun charges. And all of that is before he even coaches a game
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2023, 10:23:38 AM
We'll see. He has a lot of holes to fill before I'm willing to say it's a good start. I'm also curious to see how he handles the Breed gun charges. And all of that is before he even coaches a game
Breed is no longer listed on the teams website .
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 02, 2023, 10:25:34 AM
Breed is no longer listed on the teams website .
That's a quick response. Details must be bad
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2023, 10:23:38 AM
We'll see. He has a lot of holes to fill before I'm willing to say it's a good start. I'm also curious to see how he handles the Breed gun charges. And all of that is before he even coaches a game
We'll see long term over the years. Pretty good first week on the job. Not sure what else he was supposed to accomplish the first week on the job. And sure it will take a few years to see how it goes.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 10:35:35 AM
We'll see long term over the years. Pretty good first week on the job. Not sure what else he was supposed to accomplish the first week on the job. And sure it will take a few years to see how it goes.
Not have a player arrested for a gun charge? (Joking obviously not his fault)
Didn't say anything about him not accomplishing enough in week. Just that a week isn't enough time for me to say he's off to a good start
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2023, 11:07:53 AM
Not have a player arrested for a gun charge? (Joking obviously not his fault)
Didn't say anything about him not accomplishing enough in week. Just that a week isn't enough time for me to say he's off to a good start
It is for me. He's off to a good start in his first week. I don't really think that's all that polarizing to say.
We'll see how he does the next few to several years.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 11:21:17 AM
It is for me. He's off to a good start in his first week. I don't really think that's all that polarizing to say.
We'll see how he does the next few to several years.
I don't think I said it was polarizing
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2023, 11:28:59 AM
I don't think I said it was polarizing
Yet here we are having a multiple post back and forth because of the simple comment that he's off to a good start.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 11:32:49 AM
Yet here we are having a multiple post back and forth because of the simple comment that he's off to a good start.
My dude, you said he was off to a good start. I said we'll see and said the the things I would like to see before I join your opinion. That's what message boards are for, sharing and discussing our opinions on sports. It doesn't mean I found your post polarizing, I didn't even disagree with it . Was just trying to add to the discussion
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2023, 12:02:17 PM
My dude, you said he was off to a good start. I said we'll see and said the the things I would like to see before I join your opinion. That's what message boards are for, sharing and discussing our opinions on sports. It doesn't mean I found your post polarizing, I didn't even disagree with it . Was just trying to add to the discussion
I posted that a couple of Providence players were coming back. You posted that it was good for Providence. I then said, yep, good start his first week. Seems simple enough.
Not everything is a slight.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2023, 01:01:47 PM
Not everything is a slight.
No one is saying it is a slight.
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Quote from: shoothoops on April 02, 2023, 01:03:52 PM
No one is saying it is a slight.
You're certainly acting like you think a slight has been thrown your way.
Maybe we won't have to wring our hands about Donovan Clingan every time we play UConn the next year or two: https://mobile.twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1642344046122225666
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
You're certainly acting like you think a slight has been thrown your way.
No. I mentioned the return of two players. Someone else mentioned it was good for their team. I then said yes it was a good start for them.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on April 02, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
Maybe we won't have to wring our hands about Donovan Clingan every time we play UConn the next year or two: https://mobile.twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1642344046122225666
That's just one guy's opinion. Doesn't mean Clingan is leaving.
Although one can hope.
U Conn helped The Big East cause last night .
GM of Villanova Basketball:
https://villanova.com/news/2023/4/13/mens-basketball-dunleavy-named-general-manager-of-villanova-basketball.aspx
Quote from: shoothoops on April 13, 2023, 10:28:47 AM
GM of Villanova Basketball:
https://villanova.com/news/2023/4/13/mens-basketball-dunleavy-named-general-manager-of-villanova-basketball.aspx
Very interesting that Baker left a Head Coaching job where he had some success , for this. Really says a lot about Nova commitment to winning .
Quote from: shoothoops on April 13, 2023, 10:28:47 AM
GM of Villanova Basketball:
https://villanova.com/news/2023/4/13/mens-basketball-dunleavy-named-general-manager-of-villanova-basketball.aspx
"William B. Finneran Endowed Men's Head Coach Kyle Neptune" -- Nothing against Bill, I'm sure he's a great guy and obviously very generous ($26+ million)...but that's just annoying. At the very least they should limit it to the first reference.
https://twitter.com/owhjays/status/1646561816288296972?s=61&t=6afNftLCovYex1xAhVrbgg
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1646561030984564742?cxt=HHwWjICwjZWi4dktAAAA
Didn't see if he's retaining eligibility.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1646578325492572160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Blow for X. Can't blame him though.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 13, 2023, 01:41:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1646578325492572160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Blow for X. Can't blame him though.
That one was expected. Hes married and been graduated. Time to move on.
Ashworth and Rohde both visiting Creighton tomorrow with Scheierman locked in to return.
Kalkbrenner
Kaluma
Alexander
all likely have similar decisions to OMax and Oso.
Good news for the 'emcee
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1646582263218405377?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 13, 2023, 12:25:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1646561030984564742?cxt=HHwWjICwjZWi4dktAAAA
Didn't see if he's retaining eligibility.
I hadn't seen this - that's pretty funny.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1646576119406112768
Quote from: 1SE on April 13, 2023, 05:44:56 PM
I hadn't seen this - that's pretty funny.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1646576119406112768
What game was that after?
English Enterprises stock rising . Garwey Dual recommits .
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2023/04/13/four-star-guard-garwey-dual-re-commits-to-providence-basketball-after-ed-cooley-left-for-georgetown/70112374007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 13, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
English Enterprises stock rising . Garwey Dual recommits .
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2023/04/13/four-star-guard-garwey-dual-re-commits-to-providence-basketball-after-ed-cooley-left-for-georgetown/70112374007/
Respectfully, how about something other than english Enterprises. How about English et al?
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 13, 2023, 06:56:13 PM
Respectfully, how about something other than english Enterprises. How about English et al?
I vote for "Providence."
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 13, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
English Enterprises stock rising . Garwey Dual recommits .
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2023/04/13/four-star-guard-garwey-dual-re-commits-to-providence-basketball-after-ed-cooley-left-for-georgetown/70112374007/
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Herman, stop trying to make English Enterprises happen.
UConn's Sanogo is gone to draft and will sign with an agent.
Also lost Hawkins to draft and key sub Alleyne to portal.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 13, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
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Herman, stop trying to make English Enterprises happen.
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As an aside, malt liquor is due for a comeback.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 13, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
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Herman, stop trying to make English Enterprises happen.
Cooley & Company can go too
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2023, 06:56:55 PM
I vote for "Providence."
Me too. Hey Herman, how about putting it up for a vote? It would be interesting to see how many scoopers find your alternate names for Providence amusing rather than annoying.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2023, 07:23:48 PM
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As an aside, malt liquor is due for a comeback.
awesome answer to Bud Light, imo
Quote from: Viper on April 14, 2023, 08:14:07 AM
awesome answer to Bud Light, imo
Dude, a glass of water is an awesome answer to Bud Light. And that was before it started turning people gay.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 14, 2023, 08:18:27 AM
Dude, a glass of water is an awesome answer to Bud Light. And that was before it started turning people gay.
👍
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 14, 2023, 08:18:27 AM
Dude, a glass of water is an awesome answer to Bud Light. And that was before it started turning people gay.
Back in the 90s?
Also, Malt Liquor always has a a come back... but usually up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 14, 2023, 08:18:27 AM
Dude, a glass of water is an awesome answer to Bud Light. And that was before it started turning people gay.
I thought that was Schmitt's.
TJ Bamba to Villanova:
https://www.on3.com/college/villanova-wildcats/news/washington-state-transfer-tj-bamba-commits-to-villanova/
Quote from: shoothoops on April 14, 2023, 09:30:54 AM
TJ Bamba to Villanova:
https://www.on3.com/college/villanova-wildcats/news/washington-state-transfer-tj-bamba-commits-to-villanova/
They'll be an interesting team with a healthy Justin Moore, Eric Dixon an improved mark Armstrong and now Bamba.
Super strong defender, straight line driver and an improved three point shot.
I would love it if Georgetown and St. Johns finished 10 and 11 in conference.
I know that won't happen at the end of the day but those 2 teams still have major holes to fill and the league keeps getting stronger and stronger everywhere else.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2023, 09:51:49 AM
I would love it if Georgetown and St. Johns finished 10 and 11 in conference.
I know that won't happen at the end of the day but those 2 teams still have major holes to fill and the league keeps getting stronger and stronger everywhere else.
If Georgetown and St. John's are 10/11, this Butler roster will find a way to finish 12th.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2023, 09:53:38 AM
If Georgetown and St. John's are 10/11, this Butler roster will find a way to finish 12th.
I think Seton Hall may have the worst roster and coach.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2023, 10:28:58 AM
I think Seton Hall may have the worst roster and coach.
I'm not sure what to make out of Holloway. St. Peters impressed me as a very disciplined team in last year's tourney but SH last season? It will be interesting to see how Holloway does this year.
We may have one more season to (hopefully) sweep St. Johns and Georgetown, and I am basing that simply on the hope that Cooley and Pitino need a season to get their teams performing the way they want them. After that, I fully expect them to be tough opponents.
I think Brew's comments some days ago regarding Matta are spot on. The guy simply does not have it anymore. And Coach Blue Blue? We went 17-3. He went 3-17. 'Nuff said.
Pitino is really surprising me. Finally added someone yesterday, but Jenkins is probably the lesser of the two Iona guards that were in the portal (Walter Clayton went home to Florida). Posh and Storr both made a lot of sense in that system, but they left. Not sure whose choice that was, but I think they would've been useful for Pitino. I really thought we'd see a quick and significant transfer haul, but it's been pretty quiet in Queens. They are a long way from even putting a capable lineup on the floor right now. At least Cooley has some portal/recruiting wins under his belt.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
Pitino is really surprising me. Finally added someone yesterday, but Jenkins is probably the lesser of the two Iona guards that were in the portal (Walter Clayton went home to Florida). Posh and Storr both made a lot of sense in that system, but they left. Not sure whose choice that was, but I think they would've been useful for Pitino. I really thought we'd see a quick and significant transfer haul, but it's been pretty quiet in Queens. They are a long way from even putting a capable lineup on the floor right now. At least Cooley has some portal/recruiting wins under his belt.
Might he be biding his time? He can probably afford to wait until players start pulling out of the draft and snatch them up.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
Pitino is really surprising me. Finally added someone yesterday, but Jenkins is probably the lesser of the two Iona guards that were in the portal (Walter Clayton went home to Florida). Posh and Storr both made a lot of sense in that system, but they left. Not sure whose choice that was, but I think they would've been useful for Pitino. I really thought we'd see a quick and significant transfer haul, but it's been pretty quiet in Queens. They are a long way from even putting a capable lineup on the floor right now. At least Cooley has some portal/recruiting wins under his belt.
He should get Sean Conway and bring Quinn Slazinski with him, those guys arn't great but they are solid.
I heard they might get Noah Thomasson. Iona was the only team that could slow him down really in that conference.
But its Rick Pitino so watch him land Chris Ledlum, Chance Westry, Brady Dunlap, and Mackenzie Mgbako a week from now.
Looks like Butler is busily bringing in some new bodies.
https://247sports.com/college/butler/Season/2023-Basketball/Commits/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 15, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
Looks like Butler is busily bringing in some new bodies.
https://247sports.com/college/butler/Season/2023-Basketball/Commits/
New bodies no matta.
After an uninspiring 6-14 BE season, will the additions make Matta matter? I doubt it. I imagine the Butler fans are really disappointed with him. He's past his sell by date.
https://mobile.twitter.com/StevenMartens23/status/1646525979198894088
Excellent interview with Coach McDermott
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/shatel-catching-up-with-greg-mcdermott-as-creighton-begins-to-retool-in-a-busy-offseason/article_f74b864a-dbad-11ed-9516-bfb000749227.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHjays
So.......anybody have a comment to make about BE 23-24 Offseason Activity?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 15, 2023, 08:14:00 PM
Excellent interview with Coach McDermott
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/shatel-catching-up-with-greg-mcdermott-as-creighton-begins-to-retool-in-a-busy-offseason/article_f74b864a-dbad-11ed-9516-bfb000749227.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHjays
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
Pitino is really surprising me. Finally added someone yesterday, but Jenkins is probably the lesser of the two Iona guards that were in the portal (Walter Clayton went home to Florida). Posh and Storr both made a lot of sense in that system, but they left. Not sure whose choice that was, but I think they would've been useful for Pitino. I really thought we'd see a quick and significant transfer haul, but it's been pretty quiet in Queens. They are a long way from even putting a capable lineup on the floor right now. At least Cooley has some portal/recruiting wins under his belt.
Pitino clearly implied in his intro presser attitudes he didn't like were going to be shown the door so it's much more than just a system fit he's building.
He'll get it rolling but it won't be next season. Every stop he's been year 1 has been a much more competitive team with so-so results and then year 2 they take off and never look back.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 16, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
Pitino clearly implied in his intro presser attitudes he didn't like were going to be shown the door so it's much more than just a system fit he's building.
He'll get it rolling but it won't be next season. Every stop he's been year 1 has been a much more competitive team with so-so results and then year 2 they take off and never look back.
Hope you are proven correct regarding SJ next year, as I would like to see another sweep of SJ (and Gtown) before they recover. While I have a lot of faith in Shaka and the team, I would like to see us take advantage of SJ and GT so that we have another impressive BE record, even though the quality of the opponents may not be great. In the '24-'25 season, the BE will be tougher, and Marquette will be better established as a top tier team. We will be this season as well, but I'll take a little help while SJ and GT are still recovering.
How good do we expect Nova to be next year?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2023, 09:12:09 AM
How good do we expect Nova to be next year?
Depends
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2023, 09:12:09 AM
How good do we expect Nova to be next year?
I think they'll end up middle of the pack, probably a bubble team. Don't have a Whitmore level difference maker, but a decent veteran team. Good enough to be a challenge any given night, but not good enough to challenge for the league.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
I think they'll end up middle of the pack, probably a bubble team. Don't have a Whitmore level difference maker, but a decent veteran team. Good enough to be a challenge any given night, but not good enough to challenge for the league.
And your thoughts about Neptune going forward? This coming season and, if you are brave enough to guess, in the next 1-2.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 16, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
Pitino clearly implied in his intro presser attitudes he didn't like were going to be shown the door so it's much more than just a system fit he's building.
He'll get it rolling but it won't be next season. Every stop he's been year 1 has been a much more competitive team with so-so results and then year 2 they take off and never look back.
F Pitino. He is a surly scumbag.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 16, 2023, 05:59:18 PM
F Pitino. He is a surly scumbag.
Two-time national champion
Excellent foil.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 16, 2023, 04:32:45 PM
And your thoughts about Neptune going forward? This coming season and, if you are brave enough to guess, in the next 1-2.
Too soon to tell. His first year he was hamstrung by expectations and injuries. He was never going to meet the former nor overcome the latter. Seems to be doing okay in the portal, but I think it's the high school & 3-year transfers that will determine program success.
If they're a tourney team this year and Armstrong & Hausen develop into quality Big East starters going forward, Neptune could be okay. But with a barren freshman class, if those two aren't the future, then 2-3 years down the line it looks pretty bleak.
Steven Ashworth an excellent addition to the Blue Jays. A very good shooter.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36218728/guard-steven-ashworth-commits-transfer-creighton
I know he said he'd be back minutes after the Championship Game, but as expected, Andre Jackson declares for the NBA Draft.
https://twitter.com/charlie_parent/status/1648395656627646465?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 18, 2023, 01:58:54 PM
I know he said he'd be back minutes after the Championship Game, but as expected, Andre Jackson declares for the NBA Draft.
https://twitter.com/charlie_parent/status/1648395656627646465?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
I'm surprised Carraban hasn't had any NBA hype. I figured he'd be testing the waters also
So Kalkbrenner , Kaluma and Alexander have entered the NBA draft . All maintaining college eligibility . I wonder how many will return back to Creighton?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 26, 2023, 07:00:38 AM
So Kalkbrenner , Kaluma and Alexander have entered the NBA draft . All maintaining college eligibility . I wonder how many will return back to Creighton?
Kaluma wont
With Parham and Owens committed for 2024 (and possibly another real good player or two on the way from that class) ... and with us only losing O-Max from our rotation (and maybe not even losing O-Max) ... and with 3 talented 2023 recruits coming in ... and with rotation players such as Ross and Gold likely to improve significantly, just as several guys did this past season ...
... the defending Big East regular-season and tournament champions have had a tremendous offseason so far.
Arguably the best of any BE team.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 01:22:39 PM
With Parham and Owens committed for 2024 (and possibly another real good player or two on the way from that class) ... and with us only losing O-Max from our rotation (and maybe not even losing O-Max) ... and with 3 talented 2023 recruits coming in ... and with rotation players such as Ross and Gold likely to improve significantly, just as several guys did this past season ...
... the defending Big East regular-season and tournament champions have had a tremendous offseason so far.
Arguably the best of any BE team.
Sounds about right. I agree!
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 01:22:39 PM
With Parham and Owens committed for 2024 (and possibly another real good player or two on the way from that class) ... and with us only losing O-Max from our rotation (and maybe not even losing O-Max) ... and with 3 talented 2023 recruits coming in ... and with rotation players such as Ross and Gold likely to improve significantly, just as several guys did this past season ...
... the defending Big East regular-season and tournament champions have had a tremendous offseason so far.
Arguably the best of any BE team.
Marquette under Shaka is in prime position to be extremely formidable over the next two decades. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 26, 2023, 08:09:42 PM
Marquette under Shaka is in prime position to be extremely formidable over the next two decades. :)
Muggsy:
Shaka has shown an ability to bring in the 6-7 to 6-9 Pogo Stick types with length and defensive attitude necessary to compete at a high level. We haven't had that configuration at MU since Al.
MU is going to be in a dog-fight to be at the top of the best conference in college bball for years to come...love shaka...love mu...love the BEAST. great time to be an mu fan.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 26, 2023, 10:33:12 PM
MU is going to be in a dog-fight to be at the top of the best conference in college bball for years to come...love shaka...love mu...love the BEAST. great time to be an mu fan.
Until it all implodes with conference realignment. I kid, I kid. Or maybe not. Let's enjoy it while we can.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 27, 2023, 06:08:59 AM
Until it all implodes with conference realignment. I kid, I kid. Or maybe not. Let's enjoy it while we can.
What is the agreement holding the BEAST together?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2023, 06:24:08 AM
What is the agreement holding the BEAST together?
Jesus
So, ESPN is cutting staff. Fox just got hit with a huge bill with possibly more to come. How will that impact the Big East's next media deal?
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 06:52:45 AM
So, ESPN is cutting staff. Fox just got hit with a huge bill with possibly more to come. How will that impact the Big East's next media deal?
It won't. Seriously, it won't. For years I've thought the bubble will burst on this stuff. It doesn't because it's inventory and the Big East is still a brand, especially with UConn being back. They're not going to sniff Big Ten/SEC money but they'll be fine
It is inventory. It is a name. And the Big East has three national championships in the last decade. I can also see Fox shifting emphasis to sports and entertainment and away from news when Rupert passes and the next generation takes over.
None of that makes it a done deal-slam dunk.
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 07:30:13 AM
It is inventory. It is a name. And the Big East has three national championships in the last decade. I can also see Fox shifting emphasis to sports and entertainment and away from news when Rupert passes and the next generation takes over.
None of that makes it a done deal-slam dunk.
I agree. It's a valid concern and question. Markets matter, too. For us, St. John's and DePaul sucking is funny, for the league's bottom line, probably not. If SJU and GTown look rejuvenated next year, it won't hurt in that regard
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 07:30:13 AM
It is inventory. It is a name. And the Big East has three national championships in the last decade. I can also see Fox shifting emphasis to sports and entertainment and away from news when Rupert passes and the next generation takes over.
None of that makes it a done deal-slam dunk.
I'm hoping (and thinking) that Rico is right, but I share your concerns to some degree. Maybe the scoop legal eagles could weigh in on this, but could Fox split off their sports as an entirely separate entity? I believe there are laws that do not allow certain legal maneuvers to shield assets from litigation.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 27, 2023, 07:34:05 AM
I agree. It's a valid concern and question. Markets matter, too. For us, St. John's and DePaul sucking is funny, for the league's bottom line, probably not. If SJU and GTown look rejuvenated next year, it won't hurt in that regard
I think you are saying we can afford one perennial cellar dweller. If so, I agree. Doesn't every conference have one? The fact that ours-DP- is in a major market is disappointing. At least the two other major markets you mentioned show promise of revival, so we will be OK. My referring to markets rather than teams is deliberate since we are talking about the business of bball here.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 27, 2023, 07:43:32 AM
I think you are saying we can afford one perennial cellar dweller. If so, I agree. Doesn't every conference have one? The fact that ours-DP- is in a major market is disappointing. At least the two other major markets you mentioned show promise of revival, so we will be OK. My referring to markets rather than teams is deliberate since we are talking about the business of bball here.
Correct. I'm sure the leagues financials would like the big markets to have marketable teams. At this point, even if DePaul becomes good again, I'm not sure how much it "moves the needle".
SJU, playing at MSG, and GTown still can "move the needle".
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 06:52:45 AM
So, ESPN is cutting staff. Fox just got hit with a huge bill with possibly more to come. How will that impact the Big East's next media deal?
There will be multiple bidders for The Big East media deal.
Dylan Addae-Wusu is an excellent fit with The Hall
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2023/04/seton-hall-adds-st-johns-transfer-dylan-addae-wusu.html?outputType=amp
Another in-conference transfer for a former St. John's player
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1651617213944569861
"NEWS: St. John's transfer Posh Alexander has committed to Butler, he tells @On3sports"
Quote from: mumi27 on April 27, 2023, 11:05:55 AM
Another in-conference transfer for a former St. John's player
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1651617213944569861
"NEWS: St. John's transfer Posh Alexander has committed to Butler, he tells @On3sports"
Excellent news for The Bulldogs. I think Matta can help Posh return to his freshman Big East Defensive Player of the year form.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2023, 11:49:02 AM
Excellent news for The Bulldogs. I think Matta can help Posh return to his freshman Big East Defensive Player of the year form.
Why
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2023, 11:49:02 AM
Excellent news for The Bulldogs. I think Matta can help Posh return to his freshman Big East Defensive Player of the year form.
You rooting for Gard to turn AJ Storrs into an NBA player as well?
Patrick Ewing's last Georgetown recruit gives his notice to decommit. A former five star recruit, averaged just 1.6 ppg his senior season at Monteverde.
https://www.on3.com/college/georgetown-hoyas/news/marvel-allen-requests-release-from-nli-with-georgetown/
Quote from: DFW HOYA on April 28, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
Patrick Ewing's last Georgetown recruit gives his notice to decommit. A former five star recruit, averaged just 1.6 ppg his senior season at Monteverde.
Shaka should sign him in case OMax doesn't come back.
Kind of crazy that a kid that (according to 247 (https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Marvel-Allen-at-Montverde-Academy-293522/RecruitRankHistory/)) was ranked top 20 (and 0.9919) eighteen months ago is now ranked 132 (and 0.9348). He was 62/0.9734 when he signed with the Hoyas. I'm guessing some of the programs that pursued him the first time around (https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Marvel-Allen-141352/RecruitInterests/) might not throw their hats back in the ring.
You've got to figure Cooley had a heart to heart with the kid, right?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 28, 2023, 12:27:46 PM
You've got to figure Cooley had a heart to heart with the kid, right?
Allen was one of three LSU players/recruits that followed former assistant Kevin Nickelberry when he arrived at Georgetown last year, along with Brandon Murray and Bradley Ezewiro.
Nickelberry is gone and all three now are as well. This led someone at the HoyaTalk board to dub them "the traveling Nickelberrys".
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2023, 08:04:16 AM
There will be multiple bidders for The Big East media deal.
FS1 needs the 100 plus windows, even though they are gaining some Big 12 basketball inventory. CBS/CBSSN has lost ACC and soon SEC games. They love buying 20 plus games from Fox Sports. Maybe in the new deal they will want 30.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 30, 2023, 02:36:23 PM
FS1 needs the 100 plus windows, even though they are gaining some Big 12 basketball inventory. CBS/CBSSN has lost ACC and soon SEC games. They love buying 20 plus games from Fox Sports. Maybe in the new deal they will want 30.
Mr. Nielsen :
It would be excellent if CBS upped their Big East inventory, and put a few more games on their CBS Broadcast Network.
More Pete Gillen...
Cannot have too much Steve Lappas.
@JonRothstein
Memphis transfer Johnathan Lawson has committed to Creighton, per his Twitter page
Quote from: Pakuni on May 03, 2023, 09:52:08 AM
@JonRothstein
Memphis transfer Johnathan Lawson has committed to Creighton, per his Twitter page
Excellent pick up for The Blue Jays. They also pick up 6-11 high schooler Brock Vice. The two are High School teammates reuniting with Mason Miller currently at Creighton.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/high-school/2023/05/03/johnathan-lawson-memphis-basketball-transfer-creighton-brock-vice-commit/70179507007/
Pitino grinding hard on the recruiting circuit. Johnnies land an attractive prospect, Brady Dunlap. Bradys father was a long time D1 assistant and endorsed the move.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/rick-pitino-keeps-momentum-going-as-st-johns-lands-brady-dunlap/
Johnnies also pick up an excellent transfer
https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/glenn-taylor-jr-transferring-to-st-johns-in-win-for-rick-pitino/
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 06, 2023, 06:49:22 PM
Pitino grinding hard on the recruiting circuit. Johnnies land an attractive prospect, Brady Dunlap. Bradys father was a long time D1 assistant and endorsed the move.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/rick-pitino-keeps-momentum-going-as-st-johns-lands-brady-dunlap/
Johnnies also pick up an excellent transfer
https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/glenn-taylor-jr-transferring-to-st-johns-in-win-for-rick-pitino/
That's crazy, the father of the player endorsed his son's decision?
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 06:52:45 AM
So, ESPN is cutting staff. Fox just got hit with a huge bill with possibly more to come. How will that impact the Big East's next media deal?
Tucker will be the lead-in show for all big East games.
Creighton picks up another 2023 commit. Looks like an excellent prospect for The Blue Jays.
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Article/Sterling-Knox-commits-to-Creighton-208727646/
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 07, 2023, 11:41:23 AM
Creighton picks up another 2023 commit. Looks like an excellent prospect for The Blue Jays.
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Article/Sterling-Knox-commits-to-Creighton-208727646/
How does Shaka even compete with all these excellent pickups by all the other BEast teams?
In all seriousness. The best pickup of the day in the big east is Chuchill Abass for Depaul. https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/DePaul-lands-commitment-from-international-big-man-Churchill-Abass-209794046/ .
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 07, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
How does Shaka even compete with all these excellent pickups by all the other BEast teams?
Shaka is even more excellent.
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 07, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
How does Shaka even compete with all these excellent pickups by all the other BEast teams?
By being Smart.
More St. Johns roster activity--
Incoming: Another transfer from Iona 6'7" SF Sadiku Ibine Ayo, scored 2.5 ppg as a frosh.
Outgoing: Jason Simpson--injured and little used--did not score in five appearances over two years.
Excellent article on Creighton late blooming recruit Sterling Knox.
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/under-the-radar-recruit-sterling-knox-ready-to-develop-and-take-next-leap-at-creighton/article_2fdd80a4-e512-11ed-a040-b3ba62eabc8b.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHjays
As expected, Kaluma enters the transfer portal. Personally not surprised as he just had an off year. Pretty sure he got in his own head of how good he was.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1656405517172973568
Quote from: zcg2013 on May 10, 2023, 04:18:18 PM
As expected, Kaluma enters the transfer portal. Personally not surprised as he just had an off year. Pretty sure he got in his own head of how good he was.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1656405517172973568
Incoming Transfer Jonathan Lawson has a lot of potential as a replacement for Kaluma.
Quote from: zcg2013 on May 10, 2023, 04:18:18 PM
As expected, Kaluma enters the transfer portal. Personally not surprised as he just had an off year. Pretty sure he got in his own head of how good he was.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1656405517172973568
I think he had a lot of people whispering in his year this past season. He's got a bunch of talent, but played some really dumb basketball.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on May 10, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
I think he had a lot of people whispering in his year this past season. He's got a bunch of talent, but played some really dumb basketball.
Creighton was also a horrible spot for him with the way their roster was constructed.
Quote from: zcg2013 on May 10, 2023, 04:18:18 PM
As expected, Kaluma enters the transfer portal. Personally not surprised as he just had an off year. Pretty sure he got in his own head of how good he was.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1656405517172973568
Id give him Omax spot
Penn transfer Jordan Dingle, the Ivy League Player of the Year and the nation's second-leading scorer, has committed to St. John's. Averaged 23.4 points last season.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on May 12, 2023, 08:27:36 AM
Penn transfer Jordan Dingle, the Ivy League Player of the Year and the nation's second-leading scorer, has committed to St. John's. Averaged 23.4 points last season.
Nice pick up for them
Sju with a high quality roster. Should be very competitive year 1
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 06, 2023, 06:49:22 PM
Pitino grinding hard on the recruiting circuit. Johnnies land an attractive prospect, Brady Dunlap. Bradys father was a long time D1 assistant and endorsed the move.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/rick-pitino-keeps-momentum-going-as-st-johns-lands-brady-dunlap/
Johnnies also pick up an excellent transfer
https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/glenn-taylor-jr-transferring-to-st-johns-in-win-for-rick-pitino/
The only place Pitino grinds hard at is Porcinis table. And it is a premature grind at that.
Quote from: willie warrior link=topic=63698.msg1550953#msg1550953 date=
The only place Pitino grinds hard at is Porcinis table. And it is a premature grind at that.
Time to retire this anti-Italian slur.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 13, 2023, 01:59:40 PM
Time to retire this anti-Italian slur.
Pretty sure this is just an anti-Pitino slur
Quote from: willie warrior on May 13, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
The only place Pitino grinds hard at is Porcinis table. And it is a premature grind at that.
Hahahaha
Never saw this joke!
U Conn and Gonzaga have a home and home. They are billing it as a neutral site deal, Seattle and MSG.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2023/5/16/23725714/report-uconn-huskies-gonzaga-bulldogs-to-play-two-neutral-site-games
Some other notable Big East non con games recently announced for 2023 (other than Gavitt and BE/B12 challenge):
Louisville @ DePaul
Xavier @ Wake Forest
Villanova vs UCLA
UConn vs UNC (MSG)
Alabama @ Creighton
Creightons Trey Alexander and Ryan Kalkbrenner analyzing their options...
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/lorenzi-trey-alexander-ryan-kalkbrenner-weigh-nba-draft-2nd-round-hopes-vs-creighton-return/article_1668c524-f96d-11ed-846e-2774f15d9591.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 27, 2023, 09:57:17 PM
Creightons Trey Alexander and Ryan Kalkbrenner analyzing their options...
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/lorenzi-trey-alexander-ryan-kalkbrenner-weigh-nba-draft-2nd-round-hopes-vs-creighton-return/article_1668c524-f96d-11ed-846e-2774f15d9591.html
Good lord, who waits until paragraph SEVEN to mention the topic of your article? Talk about completely burying the lead.
Kalkbrenner returning to Creighton.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on May 29, 2023, 08:22:18 PM
Kalkbrenner returning to Creighton.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/creighton-star-ryan-kalkbrenner-withdraws-from-nba-draft-returning-for-senior-year
Good news for The Big East and The Blue Jays.
Will Trey Alexander come back?
I'd rather that he left.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/rick-pitino-adds-lefteris-liotopoulos-to-st-johns-2024-recruiting-class/
Tyler Kolek and Kam Jones are in LA working out with Juan Toscano-Anderson's trainer.
Pretty cool! TK and Kam are going to have a special connection this year...just wait.
"Sources: Villanova has emerged as a strong potential destination for Richmond transfer Tyler Burton. Burton is also an early entrant for the 2023 NBA Draft. Averaged 19 PPG and 7.4 RPG last season."
- Rothstein
Nova would probably leap in front to take the best odds to win the Big East.
Moore
Bamba
Hart
Burton
Dixon
Is an unreal starting 5. WOW.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 03:43:04 PM
"Sources: Villanova has emerged as a strong potential destination for Richmond transfer Tyler Burton. Burton is also an early entrant for the 2023 NBA Draft. Averaged 19 PPG and 7.4 RPG last season."
- Rothstein
Nova would probably leap in front to take the best odds to win the Big East.
Moore
Bamba
Hart
Burton
Dixon
Is an unreal starting 5. WOW.
That's alot of NIL money for very little point guard play. Maybe they'll finish 4th in the big east this year.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 30, 2023, 03:49:42 PM
That's alot of NIL money for very little point guard play. Maybe they'll finish 4th in the big east this year.
Mark Armstrong has the potential to be one of the best PGs in the Big East.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 03:57:19 PM
Mark Armstrong has the potential to be one of the best PGs in the Big East.
He does, but with that group he is the guy coming off the bench playing twenty.... and they still might be 4th in the big east. That is lot of NIL money for that team. Like they are paying Ware for 8 minutes per game now?
Also there is still a chance between Marquette, Uconn, and Crieghton, they each have multiple players who could easily be better than any of Nova's best player. Like between them like 6-8 guys. Somewhere around there.
Kolek, Oso, Kam, Clingan, Castle, Newton, Ashworth, Kalkbrenner, Schiermann...
vs.
Hakim Hart? Moore post achilles tear? Dixon?
Quote from: jfp61 on May 30, 2023, 04:14:28 PM
He does, but with that group he is the guy coming off the bench playing twenty.... and they still might be 4th in the big east. That is lot of NIL money for that team. Like they are paying Ware for 8 minutes per game now?
Also there is still a chance between Marquette, Uconn, and Crieghton, they each have multiple players who could easily be better than any of Nova's best player. Like between them like 6-8 guys. Somewhere around there.
Kolek, Oso, Kam, Clingan, Castle, Newton, Ashworth, Kalkbrenner, Schiermann...
vs.
Hakim Hart? Moore post achilles tear? Dixon?
Sure, any of those teams could be better. I just said Big East Title favorites in Vegas. Systems will love that team on paper.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 04:45:57 PM
Sure, any of those teams could be better. I just said Big East Title favorites in Vegas. Systems will love that team on paper.
They'll probably love the team that won the Big East by multiple games and return all but 1 rotation player and the team that won the national title more.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 03:43:04 PM
Nova would probably leap in front to take the best odds to win the Big East.
Is an unreal starting 5. WOW.
...but who's their coach, hey?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 04:45:57 PM
I just said Big East Title favorites in Vegas.
Betting odds for the national champions are live. Per DraftKings. (Wouldn't recommend using it, bad lines)
Nova is 4th in the big East.
There are also lines for a final four appearance.
They are tied for 4th in the big East with Xavier.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 30, 2023, 03:43:04 PM
"Sources: Villanova has emerged as a strong potential destination for Richmond transfer Tyler Burton. Burton is also an early entrant for the 2023 NBA Draft. Averaged 19 PPG and 7.4 RPG last season."
- Rothstein
Nova would probably leap in front to take the best odds to win the Big East.
Moore
Bamba
Hart
Burton
Dixon
Is an unreal starting 5. WOW.
Not sure if you're serious here, but...they'd be okay. Moore is good, but we don't know how healthy he'll be (was clearly never up to 100% last year). Bamba and Hart were fine role-players. Burton I like, but he still has to prove it at this level. Dixon is a solid high-major starter, but not exactly what would lead me to any "unreal" conclusions.
Looks like a 7-11 seed on paper.
Burton to Nova
Trey Alexander is likely to stay in the draft.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 31, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
Trey Alexander is likely to stay in the draft.
I think he has the most NBA upside of any of the Creighton players, but I'm not sure he's ready yet.
I texted two different Creighton connected people. And they each have conflicting messages.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 31, 2023, 01:00:50 PM
I texted two different Creighton connected people. And they each have conflicting messages.
A Creighton fan account tweeted that he's coming back per a "source".
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 31, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
A Creighton fan account tweeted that he's coming back per a "source".
Well that settles it.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 31, 2023, 01:22:23 PM
Well that settles it.
#donedeal I believe is the appropriate terminology
Quote from: wadesworld on May 31, 2023, 01:22:23 PM
Well that settles it.
From their PaintTouches equivalent.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 31, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
A Creighton fan account tweeted that he's coming back per a "source".
Goodman reporting Alexander is headed back to Creighton.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 31, 2023, 01:46:15 PM
Goodman reporting Alexander is headed back to Creighton.
Source?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 30, 2023, 05:10:08 PM
...but who's their coach, hey?
Neptune doesn't know Jupiter from Uranus.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 31, 2023, 01:46:15 PM
Goodman reporting Alexander is headed back to Creighton.
Where did Goodman report that?
Quote from: jfp61 on May 31, 2023, 01:00:50 PM
I texted two different Creighton connected people. And they each have conflicting messages.
these guys?
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 31, 2023, 02:10:06 PM
Where did Goodman report that?
On his Twitter feed. He said Trey Alexander is his source. May have deleted it as I don't see it there anymore, but at least one person copy/pasted the Goodman tweet into their own feed.
Trey Alexander back to Creighton.
Andre Jackson to the NBA.
Unrelated to Big East activity, but relevant to Marquette, Terrance Shannon Jr. back to Illinois.
Trey Alexander and Kalkbrenner were both on that dreaded end of second round draft zone . Got good advice to come back.
https://twitter.com/TrickyTrey23/status/1664070367982280707
Trey Jackson back to Creighton, that is massive for them, and for the big east. 3 top ten teams now.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 31, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Trey Alexander and Kalkbrenner were both on that dreaded end of second round draft zone . Got good advice to come back.
https://twitter.com/TrickyTrey23/status/1664070367982280707
Trey Alexander is a good player, but guards that produce like him in college are all over the place. Creighton needed him to come back because of how their roster is structured but he doesn't move the needle for me that much. I say that knowing people have him pegged as a 1st rounder next year and he very well may end up being that. I just don't see the next level talent in his game.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 31, 2023, 08:19:23 PM
Trey Alexander is a good player, but guards that produce like him in college are all over the place. Creighton needed him to come back because of how their roster is structured but he doesn't move the needle for me that much. I say that knowing people have him pegged as a 1st rounder next year and he very well may end up being that. I just don't see the next level talent in his game.
This stat show Alexander is relatively elite in his production
https://twitter.com/_robanderson/status/1648399180073672709
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 31, 2023, 08:19:23 PM
Trey Alexander is a good player, but guards that produce like him in college are all over the place. Creighton needed him to come back because of how their roster is structured but he doesn't move the needle for me that much. I say that knowing people have him pegged as a 1st rounder next year and he very well may end up being that. I just don't see the next level talent in his game.
He is better than tyler burton, i know that much.
Creighton hit a near home run this summer.
Based on college production last year, Creighton somehow improved at point guard with Ashworth. (I don't think he is better than Nembhard but last year is evidence of it)
They lost Kaluma sure, but he was always been rather overrated. Kaluma was clearly the weak link in their starting five.
Between Mason Miller and Isaac Traudt, they should have a viable 4 man with offensive talent.
And with Johnathan Lawson, the forward who doesn't start, Farbello, and Fredrick King becoming a sophomore they will actually have a viable bench for once.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 31, 2023, 08:14:02 PM
Trey Jackson back to Creighton, that is massive for them, and for the big east. 3 top ten teams now.
We might end up having four top 10 teams with the way Nova has loaded up this offseason.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 link=topic=63698.msg1554371#msg1554371 date=
We might end up having four top 10 teams with the way Nova has loaded up this offseason.
However, with the latest NBA draft withdrawals and portal moves, T-Rank only has one Big East team in the top 10.
#4 Creighton
#13 UConn
#14 Villanova
#16 MU
It's easier to see 4 top 10 teams at the start of the season than at the end. Once these four teams play one another, someone has to take the loss in each game. And if any of the Big East's top 4 goes winless or 1-5 against the other three, they're going to fall out of the top 10.
And here's how they rank the rest of the Big East today:
#39 Xavier
#50 Providence
#55 Seton Hall
#79 St. Johns
#93 Butler
#132 DePaul
#144 Georgetown
U Conn has some strong opponents in non conference
In addition to Gonzaga , they are playing in the Jimmy V versus UNC and Empire which includes Texas and Indiana
https://www.courant.com/2023/05/05/report-uconn-mens-basketball-to-play-north-carolina-in-2023-jimmy-v-classic/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 01, 2023, 08:22:28 AM
U Conn has some strong opponents in non conference
In addition to Gonzaga , they are playing in the Jimmy V versus UNC and Empire which includes Texas and Indiana
Not to mention playing Kansas in the Phog
https://www.courant.com/2023/05/05/report-uconn-mens-basketball-to-play-north-carolina-in-2023-jimmy-v-classic/
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 13, 2023, 01:59:40 PM
Time to retire this anti-Italian slur.
Just reporting the facts.
Will McNair to Providence.
Decent pickup.
:-X
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 06, 2023, 03:07:59 PM
Will McNair to Providence.
Decent pickup.
English Enterprises stock is rising . Keeping Providence Philly Pipeline Producing
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/will-mcnair-providence-mississippi-state-new-mexico-state-20230606.html?outputType=amp
Marquette might be the third best team in the big east. Cam Spencer Commits to Uconn
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1666268907861078018?s=20
(at least providence got worse today)
Butler picking up talent from NBA Latin America
https://butlersports.com/news/2023/4/13/mens-basketball-nba-global-academys-augusto-cassia-signs-with-butler.aspx
https://basketball.latinbasket.com/Brazil/news/802180/Butler-adds-Cruz-to-their-roster
Posh Alexander to run the show
https://news.yahoo.com/butler-basketball-gets-point-guard-161100112.html
Quote from: jfp61 on June 06, 2023, 09:32:25 PM
Marquette might be the third best team in the big east. Cam Spencer Commits to Uconn
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1666268907861078018?s=20
(at least providence got worse today)
They were the third best team last year and still won the conference and Big East tournament title.
Blue Jays receive first 2024 commitment
https://www.al.com/sports/2023/06/mountain-brook-basketball-star-ty-davis-says-he-will-play-for-creighton.html?outputType=amp
Quote from: bilsu on June 19, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
They were the third best team last year and still won the conference and Big East tournament title.
By what metric were they 3rd best?
They had the 2nd best pomeroy rating......were the highest seeded team in the tournament.
So UConn was better......even though they finished 4 games behind us in the conference and lost 2 out of 3......ok,I can buy that.
But Creighton? Xavier?
I'm not buying that.
Quote from: MuMark on June 27, 2023, 09:27:31 PM
By what metric were they 3rd best?
They had the 2nd best pomeroy rating......were the highest seeded team in the tournament.
So UConn was better......even though they finished 4 games behind us in the conference and lost 2 out of 3......ok,I can buy that.
But Creighton? Xavier?
I'm not buying that.
Before Freemantle got hurt, Xavier was the best team. They beat UConn twice and Marquette once with Freemantle. UConn won the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 08:48:03 AM
Before Freemantle got hurt, Xavier was the best team. They beat UConn twice and Marquette once with Freemantle. UConn won the NCAA tournament.
They were 9-2 in the Big East when he became injured (same record as MU). However, they had a loss against DePaul.We were the better team at that time, and at the end of the season.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 28, 2023, 09:44:08 AM
They were 9-2 in the Big East when he became injured (same record as MU). However, they had a loss against DePaul.We were the better team at that time, and at the end of the season.
Yes. Also, X #23 KenPom heading into first game post-ZF... same time we were #8
bilsu just doing his Eeyore routine...
Quote from: bilsu on June 19, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
They were the third best team last year and still won the conference and Big East tournament title.
With all due respect this is complete nonsense.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 08:48:03 AM
Before Freemantle got hurt, Xavier was the best team. They beat UConn twice and Marquette once with Freemantle. UConn won the NCAA tournament.
Didn't we also beat UConn twice? Beating us by 4 at home isn't the smoking gun that you think it is.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 28, 2023, 09:44:08 AM
They were 9-2 in the Big East when he became injured (same record as MU). However, they had a loss against DePaul.We were the better team at that time, and at the end of the season.
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
And? 🙄
Princeton was better than Marquette. Fire Shaka.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
And Purdue lost to FDU.........so?
Like I said you can certainly argue based on full body of work and analytics that UConn was better......even though MU was 4 games better in conference and won 2 out of 3.
There is no argument for Xavier being better........Creighton was at least close in the end of season Pomeroy's.......and went further in the NCAAT.........but to judge who,is better we do need to consider the the whole season.......
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
Bilsu,
We won the BEast by two full games. We won the BEast tournament with tremendous performances against UCONN and X. Then Tyko got injured and we crapped the bed in the NCAA tournament. Period. Michigan St. was not a better team than Purdue just as X was not as good a team as Marquette. End of discussion.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
(https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=OIP.6EYnmpNEe--F41P2c4biZwHaEK&pid=Api&P=0&h=180)
MU will finish in the Top 5 in the conference, hope they lose right away in the Big East tourney, then wins 3 or 4 games in the NCAA, that would be a good year!
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Xavier won two games in NCAA tournament, which was one more than MU did.
Has this been reported anywhere else?
Why haven't we heard more about it?
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 28, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
MU will finish in the Top 5 in the conference, hope they lose right away in the Big East tourney, then wins 3 or 4 games in the NCAA, that would be a good year!
Top 5? I hope we shoot higher than that. This is a legit final four contender.
Also at least playing on friday in the BET would be my expectation.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 28, 2023, 05:18:51 PM
Top 5? I hope we shoot higher than that. This is a legit final four contender.
Not sold yet if they have enough depth upfront. I would say that it seems that they have at least 10 solid players with Al being the only question mark
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on June 28, 2023, 05:44:59 PM
Also at least playing on friday in the BET would be my expectation.
We're at the point with this administration that Friday night at the Garden should be a given. Give the alums who bought a plane ticket a couple of good games each year. No need to win em all though, the Empire State Building has already been Blue + Gold. Save the trophies for April.
Quote from: bilsu on June 28, 2023, 08:48:03 AM
Before Freemantle got hurt, Xavier was the best team. They beat UConn twice and Marquette once with Freemantle. UConn won the NCAA tournament.
Stop the nonsense. Marquette was the best team in the Big East last year and UConn is lucky Tyler hurt his hand because if he's healthy in the tournament, the road we had would've put us against them to beat the team we had proven we were better in both in league play and the BET.
And UConn is the only team you can remotely include on the "maybe better than Marquette" list. Xavier was better without Freemantle because he was such a defensive liability.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2023, 04:32:33 AM
Stop the nonsense. Marquette was the best team in the Big East last year and UConn is lucky Tyler hurt his hand because if he's healthy in the tournament, the road we had would've put us against them to beat the team we had proven we were better in both in league play and the BET.
And UConn is the only team you can remotely include on the "maybe better than Marquette" list. Xavier was better without Freemantle because he was such a defensive liability.
☝🏻💯
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2023, 04:32:33 AM
Stop the nonsense. Marquette was the best team in the Big East last year and UConn is lucky Tyler hurt his hand because if he's healthy in the tournament, the road we had would've put us against them to beat the team we had proven we were better in both in league play and the BET.
And UConn is the only team you can remotely include on the "maybe better than Marquette" list. Xavier was better without Freemantle because he was such a defensive liability.
Come on ... we were barely better than St. John's. And we clearly weren't as good as Mississippi State. That's why we were 7-29 last season.
Quote from: MU82 on June 29, 2023, 09:09:06 AM
Come on ... we were barely better than St. John's. And we clearly weren't as good as Mississippi State. That's why we were 7-29 last season.
And just squeaked by Radford.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2023, 04:32:33 AM
Stop the nonsense. Marquette was the best team in the Big East last year and UConn is lucky Tyler hurt his hand because if he's healthy in the tournament, the road we had would've put us against them to beat the team we had proven we were better in both in league play and the BET.
And UConn is the only team you can remotely include on the "maybe better than Marquette" list. Xavier was better without Freemantle because he was such a defensive liability.
Ya...
Marquette steamrolled Xavier at MSG in a Tournament setting and won against UConn under the brightest of lights on that Friday night.
Xavier needed every second of the clock to beat Arkansas Pine Bluff(or whoever they played) in R1 and got a Pitt team in R2 that many didn't think deserved to be in.
Marquette won 20 of 23 Big East games last year. There is no debate who the best team was.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 29, 2023, 09:31:43 AM
Ya...
Marquette steamrolled Xavier at MSG in a Tournament setting and won against UConn under the brightest of lights on that Friday night.
Xavier needed every second of the clock to beat Arkansas Pine Bluff(or whoever they played) in R1 and got a Pitt team in R2 that many didn't think deserved to be in.
Marquette won 20 of 23 Big East games last year. There is no debate who the best team was.
Yup, the tournament is a crapshoot
The way this is worded sounds scary. Hopefully it is minor and Jerome Hunter is back soon.
https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1678841655594713088?t=QNGG8KxHJsHec-Ap47hdvw&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 11, 2023, 03:50:53 PM
The way this is worded sounds scary. Hopefully it is minor and Jerome Hunter is back soon.
https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1678841655594713088?t=QNGG8KxHJsHec-Ap47hdvw&s=19
Rumor a few days ago was potential cardiac issue. Very scary. They'll take the time to get him checked out before clearing him. Hope it's nothing too serious and he can get back on the court soon.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 11, 2023, 03:50:53 PM
The way this is worded sounds scary. Hopefully it is minor and Jerome Hunter is back soon.
https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1678841655594713088?t=QNGG8KxHJsHec-Ap47hdvw&s=19
I just held the door open for him July 4th weekend when I was moving the daughter out of her XU apartment. He was coming from the apartment complex pool with his 3 little brothers to beat out a thunderstorm.
Oso officially listed at 6'11" on the team site.
Ross and Kam each up to 6'5" as well.
Starters next year will go
6'3"
6'3"
6'5"
6'8"
6'11"
Bench
5'10"
6'4"
6'5"
6'5"
6'9"
6'11"
Growth or just new shoes?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 21, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
Oso officially listed at 6'11" on the team site.
Ross and Kam each up to 6'5" as well.
Starters next year will go
6'3"
6'3"
6'5"
6'8"
6'11"
Bench
5'10"
6'4"
6'5"
6'5"
6'9"
6'11"
Ross was listed as 6'5 coming out of high school then MU listed him at 6'4. Glad he got that inch back over the summer!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 21, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Ross was listed as 6'5 coming out of high school then MU listed him at 6'4. Glad he got that inch back over the summer!
Shaka knocks recruits down, then builds them back.
Excellent transfer pickup for Rick Pitino and The Johnnies
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1681744119733837824?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 22, 2023, 07:40:58 AM
Excellent transfer pickup for Rick Pitino and The Johnnies
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1681744119733837824?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
F the slimeball Pitino
Quote from: willie warrior on July 23, 2023, 08:20:05 AM
F the slimeball Pitino
Two-time national champion and Hall of Fame coach, Rick Pitino
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2023, 08:40:22 AM
Two-time national champion and Hall of Fame coach, Rick Pitino
Winning championships and getting elected to the HOF, and being a slimeball, are not mutually exclusive .
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on July 23, 2023, 09:28:17 AM
Winning championships and getting elected to the HOF, and being a slimeball, are not mutually exclusive .
Nope, but the guy wins
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2023, 09:28:55 AM
Nope, but the guy wins
Yup, he sure does. And in sports I can even root for slimeballs like Pitino, Huggins, and a hundred others. Just as long as we recognize them for what they are.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2023, 09:28:55 AM
Nope, but the guy wins
Crime pays, aina?
QuoteSo now schools are going over the scholarship by paying players enough to cover school. This is getting off putting to say the least.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2023, 08:40:22 AM
Two-time national champion and Hall of Fame coach, Rick Pitino
https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2023/07/19/rick-pitino-is-making-st-johns-a-recruiting-powerhouse
More than a few Scoopers were pushing for Pitino to be hired by Marquette.
Certainly would have spiced things up.
As some know, Pitino wanted the Georgetown job but the interest was not mutual. He's a short term play and will leave St. John's in much the same mess that he's left other programs.
Likely.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on July 23, 2023, 07:40:27 PM
As some know, Pitino wanted the Georgetown job but the interest was not mutual. He's a short term play and will leave St. John's in much the same mess that he's left other programs.
My guess is he leaves St John's in less of a mess than Georgetown currently finds itself.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 23, 2023, 10:55:19 PM
My guess is he leaves St John's in less of a mess than Georgetown currently finds itself.
They would be bad without him and need a rebuild in a few years and they will be better with him and need a rebuild in a few years.
Yes, Pitino will win at StJ, and will likely win the conference championship before he leaves. Certainly, the guy can coach and will do whatever it takes to get the players he wants. I don't know a lot about StJ as an institution, but hiring Pitino certainly does not reflect on any school in a positive way. To me, it simply says that a school is willing to bypass any measure of ethical conduct just to win basketball games.
Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
More than a few Scoopers were pushing for Pitino to be hired by Marquette.
Certainly would have spiced things up.
Shaka seems to be the perfect match, but I would've taken Pitino. I get the questions around him and am not a big fan of his personal conduct, but the NCAA cleared him and he's taken every high major he's coached to the Final Four in his first four years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2023, 09:17:09 AM
Shaka seems to be the perfect match, but I would've taken Pitino. I get the questions around him and am not a big fan of his personal conduct, but the NCAA cleared him and he's taken every high major he's coached to the Final Four in his first four years.
Interesting take. I know it wouldn't have negatively affected my MU fandom.
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 24, 2023, 09:05:26 AM
Yes, Pitino will win at StJ, and will likely win the conference championship before he leaves. Certainly, the guy can coach and will do whatever it takes to get the players he wants. I don't know a lot about StJ as an institution, but hiring Pitino certainly does not reflect on any school in a positive way. To me, it simply says that a school is willing to bypass any measure of ethical conduct just to win basketball games.
just win, baby! I'd have taken RickyP in a heartbeat.
Quote from: MU82 on July 24, 2023, 09:52:36 AM
Interesting take. I know it wouldn't have negatively affected my MU fandom.
I get that, but after 7 years of Wojo I was desperate for a competent winning coach.
I went to the STJ fan site the other day and was amazed to see 100% enthusiasm for Pitino. I am equally amazed to see MU fans saying here that they would have been fine with Pitino. I get the fan urge to win after the Wojo era, but is winning really so important that you are willing to have a total sleaze of a human being as the coach in order to do it? Call me whatever you want, but if MU had hired Pitino, I personally would have severed my fan relationship with the team. I love to see the team win, but not that much. Fortunately, MU made a great hire and we can let STJ deal with the Pitino aftermath in a few years. (As I remember, he has left every program he has been at in a total mess.) Just ask a Kentucky or Louisville fan what they think about Pitino.
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 24, 2023, 12:28:57 PM
I went to the STJ fan site the other day and was amazed to see 100% enthusiasm for Pitino. I am equally amazed to see MU fans saying here that they would have been fine with Pitino. I get the fan urge to win after the Wojo era, but is winning really so important that you are willing to have a total sleaze of a human being as the coach in order to do it? Call me whatever you want, but if MU had hired Pitino, I personally would have severed my fan relationship with the team. I love to see the team win, but not that much. Fortunately, MU made a great hire and we can let STJ deal with the Pitino aftermath in a few years. (As I remember, he has left every program he has been at in a total mess.) Just ask a Kentucky or Louisville fan what they think about Pitino.
He didn't leave Kentucky "a total mess." The won the national championship under Tubby Smith the year after he left. And they had a nice, sustained run after that. It can be argued that he resurrected that program after Eddie Sutton got them in so much trouble.
I would also add that he left neither Providence or Iona "in a mess" as well. Really the only time he faced serious NCAA trouble was the back-half of his tenure at Louisville. (Outside of when he was an assistant at Hawaii.)
These days with NIL, people really don't care all that much that shoe companies paid players to attend certain schools. In retrospect, it sounds ridiculous that schools used to get in trouble for that stuff.
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 24, 2023, 12:28:57 PM
I went to the STJ fan site the other day and was amazed to see 100% enthusiasm for Pitino. I am equally amazed to see MU fans saying here that they would have been fine with Pitino. I get the fan urge to win after the Wojo era, but is winning really so important that you are willing to have a total sleaze of a human being as the coach in order to do it? Call me whatever you want, but if MU had hired Pitino, I personally would have severed my fan relationship with the team. I love to see the team win, but not that much. Fortunately, MU made a great hire and we can let STJ deal with the Pitino aftermath in a few years. (As I remember, he has left every program he has been at in a total mess.) Just ask a Kentucky or Louisville fan what they think about Pitino.
Louisville fans would take him back in a second
As I said, ask any Kentucky or Louisville fan what they think about him. I have talked to a lot of them, and neither school's fan base would want him again. As for him not leaving Iona in a mess, are you referring to the same Iona he vowed never to leave over and over again - and then left and took the meat of their roster with him? Is that the same Iona you're talking about?
Look, I get that fans get all excited about Pitino delivering a winning team. The guy can recruit and coach as well as anyone and better than most. STJ will undoubtedly be the most improved team in the BE this year and may well get a tournament bid. There are a few coaches who are bigger than whatever school they coach at -Coach K was certainly one, Bill Self may be one, Tom Izzo is one, etc. And, Pitino is one of those too for a variety of reasons - both good and bad. His name attracts players and, once he gets them, he knows what to do with them.
My point simply is that, from my perspective, winning with Pitino is not worth the loss of dignity that goes with hiring him.
My point is simply
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 24, 2023, 01:49:50 PM
As I said, ask any Kentucky or Louisville fan what they think about him. I have talked to a lot of them, and neither school's fan base would want him again. As for him not leaving Iona in a mess, are you referring to the same Iona he vowed never to leave over and over again - and then left and took the meat of their roster with him? Is that the same Iona you're talking about?
Look, I get that fans get all excited about Pitino delivering a winning team. The guy can recruit and coach as well as anyone and better than most. STJ will undoubtedly be the most improved team in the BE this year and may well get a tournament bid. There are a few coaches who are bigger than whatever school they coach at -Coach K was certainly one, Bill Self may be one, Tom Izzo is one, etc. And, Pitino is one of those too for a variety of reasons - both good and bad. His name attracts players and, once he gets them, he knows what to do with them.
My point simply is that, from my perspective, winning with Pitino is not worth the loss of dignity that goes with hiring him.
My point is simply
So you're doubling down on things that are provably false. And now a coach leaving a low major for a better job is "leaving the program a mess". Iona dominated the conference before he arrived, and they hired one of the hottest low major names in the market who knows the region well so they will likely be just fine. Not a mess.
And interesting how you've talked to a couple UK and UL fans and thus surmised neither of their sizeable fanbase want anything to do with him, which is provably false. UK would trade Cal for Pitino in a heartbeat and probably pack up Cal's home and office for him. UL fans would forget about everything related to Porcini's and sanctions to bring Pitino back if it meant freeing them from their current doldrums.
The positives and negatives of Pitino are clear without exaggerating untrue nonsense to make him seem like CBB's Voldemort.
Being a native of Kentucky and having lived in various parts of the state for a big chunk of my life, and having dozens of family members there (all ardent b'ball fans) as well as numerous friends and associates that are graduates of both UK and UL, yes, I think I have a fairly decent idea of their feelings. But, think what you will.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 24, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
So you're doubling down on things that are provably false. And now a coach leaving a low major for a better job is "leaving the program a mess". Iona dominated the conference before he arrived, and they hired one of the hottest low major names in the market who knows the region well so they will likely be just fine. Not a mess.
And interesting how you've talked to a couple UK and UL fans and thus surmised neither of their sizeable fanbase want anything to do with him, which is provably false. UK would trade Cal for Pitino in a heartbeat and probably pack up Cal's home and office for him. UL fans would forget about everything related to Porcini's and sanctions to bring Pitino back if it meant freeing them from their current doldrums.
The positives and negatives of Pitino are clear without exaggerating untrue nonsense to make him seem like CBB's Voldemort.
I get what you're saying, but is it "provably true" that UK would trade Cal for Pitino in a heartbeat?
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 24, 2023, 12:28:57 PMI get the fan urge to win after the Wojo era, but is winning really so important that you are willing to have a total sleaze of a human being as the coach in order to do it?
I don't know what Pitino went through, what all he was involved in, or what all he regrets. Everyone has their own story and I've often found when someone is able to explain their actions in their own words, things I initially judged harshly seemed pretty reasonable in retrospect.
The older I get, the more uncommon I think "total sleaze" human beings are. Pitino and I likely have a different moral center, but that doesn't make him wrong and me right, or vice versa.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on July 24, 2023, 12:56:35 PM
He didn't leave Kentucky "a total mess." The won the national championship under Tubby Smith the year after he left. And they had a nice, sustained run after that. It can be argued that he resurrected that program after Eddie Sutton got them in so much trouble.
I would also add that he left neither Providence or Iona "in a mess" as well. Really the only time he faced serious NCAA trouble was the back-half of his tenure at Louisville. (Outside of when he was an assistant at Hawaii.)
These days with NIL, people really don't care all that much that shoe companies paid players to attend certain schools. In retrospect, it sounds ridiculous that schools used to get in trouble for that stuff.
All true. The NCAA has basically eliminated cheating by saying anything goes as relates to giving cash. So kind of silly to worry about coaches who gave a kid money. Now the coaches who gave a kid ride? Or a tshirt? Those are the dangerous ones. I hope the NCAA is still monitoring them to keep the game we all love clean.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 24, 2023, 03:08:30 PM
All true. The NCAA has basically eliminated cheating by saying anything goes as relates to giving cash. So kind of silly to worry about coaches who gave a kid money. Now the coaches who gave a kid ride? Or a tshirt? Those are the dangerous ones. I hope the NCAA is still monitoring them to keep the game we all love clean.
I honestly dont know how one can both be a fan of college basketball and outraged by 'cheating'. The sport is what it is - the money and other bad behavior is so pervasive that if your team is toward the top they are winning a certain way...clean and dirty is a perception about who hid it better.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on July 24, 2023, 03:22:39 PM
I honestly dont know how one can both be a fan of college basketball and outraged by 'cheating'. The sport is what it is - the money and other bad behavior is so pervasive that if your team is toward the top they are winning a certain way...clean and dirty is a perception about who hid it better.
It's what you get when you limit someone's compensation relative to their value. Unless you have a common set of standards in place (like a collective bargaining arrangement) which provides a common set of understanding between all parties.
The NCAAs historic problem is that they want to limit who gets compensated and how much they get compensated, while also limiting their liability. And that just doesn't work.
Pitino will always be a slimeball. Speaks volumes about that great Catholic institution St. Johns hiring the slime ball.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 24, 2023, 05:40:45 PM
Pitino will always be a slimeball. Speaks volumes about that great Catholic institution St. Johns hiring the slime ball.
Why?
Quote from: willie warrior on July 24, 2023, 05:40:45 PM
Pitino will always be a slimeball. Speaks volumes about that great Catholic institution St. Johns hiring the slime ball.
Or does it speak more about you that you don't seem to believe in concepts like forgiveness or redemption?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
I get that, but after 7 years of Wojo I was desperate for a competent winning coach.
I would have been happy with Sister Jean replacing Wojo.
Or a chimp, aina?
Shaka Smart was the right choice my friends. And there will never be any regrets in my mind. Pitino yeah I get it but then you'd always have to apologize for his past, and I stand with those who said, "I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole." Smart has his best years ahead of him. Rick will coach at St. John's for 2 years, get to the 32 once and move on to the Charlotte Hornets. When you have a coach that truly makes you proud you don't waver, you don't second guess. Integrity and commitment means something. Or it should.
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
Money talks.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
Wouldn't "some tourney appearances" in the next few years mean success at St John's?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
I thought that too when he was struggling to put a roster together, but now that they look to have high major talent, I think they will win sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 24, 2023, 10:21:15 PM
Wouldn't "some tourney appearances" in the next few years mean success at St John's?
Not enough to satisfy St. John's fans.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2023, 10:34:42 PM
I thought that too when he was struggling to put a roster together, but now that they look to have high major talent, I think they will win sooner rather than later.
We'll see. This is just a gut feeling on my part. I don't think he's the guarantee others seem to
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
The question isn't whether they meet some nebulously defined binary criteria for success. It's "will be be better then the alternative," which is more Mike Anderson or whatever replacement level coach they would've hired if Pitino wasn't on a redemption tour. I guess it boils down to return on investment though. Not sure how that math works out.
Quote from: THRILLHO on July 25, 2023, 12:12:53 AM
The question isn't whether they meet some nebulously defined binary criteria for success. It's "will be be better then the alternative," which is more Mike Anderson or whatever replacement level coach they would've hired if Pitino wasn't on a redemption tour. I guess it boils down to return on investment though. Not sure how that math works out.
I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.
I agree with you.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 25, 2023, 02:14:44 AM
I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.
I don't think that's true in most cases. Look at PC and Ed Cooley. That guy used to walk on water in Providence and he never made any deep tourney runs. He just brought the program back to relevancy and wasn't Keno Davis.
I think Rick can do the same and SJU fans will be ecstatic that they aren't a laughingstock anymore. But I actually think he's actually going to build a behemoth that will be a problem for the next 5 years until he retires. In four months he's already put together SJU's best roster in 25 years.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 25, 2023, 02:14:44 AM
I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.
The guy is 70 years old...I doubt there is even time for your scenario to play out. Who knows how long he wants to do this, but I would be shocked if its 5 years regardless of results.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 25, 2023, 02:14:44 AM
I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.
In the last 20 years St John's overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They've made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 25, 2023, 12:43:15 PM
In the last 20 years St John's overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They've made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.
I don't disagree with you but I don't think that's what most have in mind for Pitino. The impression I've gotten is that many expect that he will have them at the top of the Big East within a year or two.
The key for Johnnies success is a coach who can capture the vibe of the city and sell that to recruits.
Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake
It took Mullin a few years to get momentum, he eventually did his last year with some talent on the roster. Unfortunately he lost his enthusiasm and quit
Anderson was never in sync with the city
Pitino will have frequent appearances on the back page of The Post and will generate excitement . I think he is pushing to have move more games back to The Garden which will help
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 25, 2023, 12:59:00 PM
Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake
IDK about that.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 25, 2023, 12:48:18 PM
I don't disagree with you but I don't think that's what most have in mind for Pitino. The impression I've gotten is that many expect that he will have them at the top of the Big East within a year or two.
He might, but getting them to UCONN or MU status is an awfully big ask. Middle of the conference, 6-10 seed in the tournament would constitute success imo. So basically we're in agreement.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 25, 2023, 12:43:15 PM
In the last 20 years St John's overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They've made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.
New York sports fans aren't exactly the most rational sports fans out there.
Please list the rational fanbases.
Quote from: tower912 on July 25, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
Please list the rational fanbases.
We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.
Shaka got MU back to low MU standards in Year 1. Even higher in Year 2.
Slick Rick will get SJU back quickly.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 25, 2023, 12:59:00 PM
The key for Johnnies success is a coach who can capture the vibe of the city and sell that to recruits.
Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake
It took Mullin a few years to get momentum, he eventually did his last year with some talent on the roster. Unfortunately he lost his enthusiasm and quit
Anderson was never in sync with the city
Some teams sell its city relationship better than others. DePaul and St. John's have more city ties. Georgetown and Villanova, less so.
Fellow New Yorkers will remember this ad campaign:
Norlander referred to "The Brand Former Known as Syracuse" when discussing Maui on the Eye on College Bball podcast, and I almost lost it.
English Enterprises with a European Trip This year. Should help their cause.
https://twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1684578046165360643/photo/1
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 25, 2023, 02:15:48 PM
We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.
Unless you are a CBS writer.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 25, 2023, 02:15:48 PM
We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.
You serious, Clark?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2023, 06:23:20 PM
Or does it speak more about you that you don't seem to believe in concepts like forgiveness or redemption?
Nice try. The topic is Pitino who is a slimeball. You have no idea of my beliefs of forgiveness and redemption.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 27, 2023, 02:01:42 PM
Nice try. The topic is Pitino who is a slimeball. You have no idea of my beliefs of forgiveness and redemption.
Sorry, I'm sure you're not judgmental at all. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: willie warrior on July 27, 2023, 02:01:42 PM
Nice try. The topic is Pitino who is a slimeball. You have no idea of my beliefs of forgiveness and redemption.
What would Jesus do? Forgive the sinner. And I bet Jesus has his warriors pennant in his living room, not in his basement
I'm interested to see how Clingan looks this year. I think there's a decent chance it was a pretty big mistake not to leave after last year. He was a 4 star recruit and was obviously good last year, but I'm not sure he showed a skillset that fits super well at the NBA level. But he was young, really productive in a limited roll, and a big dude so there was a chance of a late first round pick being used on him. This year if he shows to be more of an Edey than anything else, are teams spending a first round pick on him? I have my doubts.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 27, 2023, 02:01:42 PM
Nice try. The topic is Pitino who is a slimeball. You have no idea of my beliefs of forgiveness and redemption.
wwjd
I really like how MU stacks up against the rest of the conference after the draft and transfers . U Conn has lost a lot of players as has X.
MU certainly has the advantage of returning the most experienced players who are used to playing with each other in a system. That should be a help in the early going. But, coaches like Hurley, McDermott, Miller, etc know how to incorporate new players into their systems and those teams will gel pretty quickly. Creighton, at first glance, looks like the biggest threat to win the conference, but it will be a dogfight between them, MU, and UConn with X also being in the mix. Those four should certainly finish at the top of the conference, but the order they finish in is anyone's guess. StJ may well be right behind this group given how quickly Pitino has rebuilt the roster. The BE is now more a battle of coaches than a battle of players.
Quote from: rgoode57 on July 29, 2023, 08:49:01 AM
MU certainly has the advantage of returning the most experienced players who are used to playing with each other in a system. That should be a help in the early going. But, coaches like Hurley, McDermott, Miller, etc know how to incorporate new players into their systems and those teams will gel pretty quickly. Creighton, at first glance, looks like the biggest threat to win the conference, but it will be a dogfight between them, MU, and UConn with X also being in the mix. Those four should certainly finish at the top of the conference, but the order they finish in is anyone's guess. StJ may well be right behind this group given how quickly Pitino has rebuilt the roster. The BE is now more a battle of coaches than a battle of players.
I agree with this analysis
MU in Chicago having a good time on the River
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1685032370317987840?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Excellent Article previewing The Johnnies.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2023/7/31/23664471/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-st-johns-red-storm-pitino-soriano-dingle-ledlum
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 01, 2023, 05:16:40 PM
Excellent Article previewing The Johnnies.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2023/7/31/23664471/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-st-johns-red-storm-pitino-soriano-dingle-ledlum
Don't tell Johnnies fans that.
The Post loves Pitino
https://nypost.com/2023/08/01/st-johns-rick-pitino-embracing-massive-expectations/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 02, 2023, 11:17:59 AM
The Post loves Pitino
https://nypost.com/2023/08/01/st-johns-rick-pitino-embracing-massive-expectations/
The Post loves sex scandals.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2023/08/rick-pitino-big-east-in-great-shape-amid-massive-college-realignment-because-basketball-is-still-king.html?outputType=amp
Creighton CBS Outllok
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6UGxcVOmg
Former MU recruit/UCLA big man Mac Etienne is transferring to DePaul.
Big East is the place to be
Pitino and Johnnies bring back a top recruiter
https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/matt-abdelmassih-makes-st-johns-return-to-head-nil-push/
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2023/8/8/23664476/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-xavier-musketeers-miller-freemantle-hunter-claude-green
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2023/8/4/23664473/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-seton-hall-pirates-holloway-dawes-richmond-davis-coleman
I meant to post earlier. Just getting around to. From this Sunday's New Haven Register.
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/big-east-rick-pitino-dan-hurley-18291682.php
Sizing up UConn, Big East men's basketball conference ahead of season: 'This league will be loaded'
David Borges
Staff Writer
Aug. 18, 2023
Yes, college football is right around the corner.
Yes, Jim Mora seems to have UConn on the right trajectory.
No, this isn't college football territory (Shhhh!, don't tell that to the Big 12 or ACC or whoever!)
This is Big East country, home of the defending national-champion UConn men's basketball team. In fact, this league has spawned three of the last seven national champs. Go back a little further and it's provided five of the last 12 champions, though that would have to include Louisville, which UConn fans might be loathe to do, and wouldn't include the 2014 UConn national champs who came out of the AAC (another sore spot with Husky fans).
Either way, the Big East is as strong as its been since perhaps its halcyon days of the mid-1980s, when three of the teams in the 1985 Final Four hailed from the league. Or at least in the past decade.
"I was around when there were 11 teams that got in the (2011) NCAA Tournament," Rick Pitino recalled. "And I see it happening all over again."
Ah yes, Pitino. He's back for his third and, presumably, final go-round in the league, taking over an ailing St. John's program. Ed Cooley is still in the league, but he's skipped over from Providence, his hometown school where he seemingly had a contract for life, to Georgetown.
Both figure to pump life into their respective programs, who happened to be two of those three Final Four contestants in 1985. Most would argue the Big East is better when St. John's and Georgetown are strong and relevant. Pitino doesn't necessarily agree.
"Certainly, when more teams are competitive, it makes for a better league," the Hall of Famer noted. "But last year, with three teams in the (Sweet 16) and the national champion coming out of the conference, I don't think you can get better than that. St. John's and Georgetown were not good at all."
UConn, Creighton and Xavier reached the Sweet 16 last season, tied for the most of any league, and Creighton nearly joined UConn in the Final Four but for a heartbreaking Elite Eight loss to San Diego State. UConn avenged that loss on the conference's behalf.
And yet, it was Marquette that was the best team in the conference during the regular season and Big East Tournament. And the Golden Eagles have just about everybody back.
"This league," Creighton coach Greg McDermott promised, "will be loaded."
The Big East should have three teams ranked in the preseason top-15 (Marquette, UConn, Creighton). The league could easily match or even top seven NCAA tourney bids, the most it's had so far since the "new Big East" took shape.
Some of the best big men in the country (Creighton's Ryan Kalkbrenner, UConn's Donovan Clingan, St. John's Joel Soriano) reside in the league. And, of course, some of the best coaches.
Not bad for a league left for dead a little over a decade ago, when the Catholic 7 broke away, Syracuse, Louisville, Rutgers & Co. scattered to Power Five leagues and UConn was left in the AAC.
"Requiem for the Big East?" Hardly.
"It makes you extremely proud to be part of it," McDermott said, "because, obviously, we had to navigate a very difficult time. Jay Wright's leadership from the start was really important to get this league on the right foot and making sure that all the coaches understood we might have to make some decisions that, while they might not be in the best interests of each individual program, if they're in the best interest of the league, we all have to be on board with that. I think that's continued the last decade."
And so, let's take a midsummer's look at what a powerhouse the Big East should be this season.
Penthouse
UConn: We all know the situation. Three cornerstone players — the Final Four Most Outstanding Player, an NBA lottery pick and a second-round pick — are gone. One of the country's best five-man recruiting classes is here. Donovan Clingan and Stephon Castle could be lottery picks. Alex Karaban could be a first-rounder. Tristen Newton could be the team's leading scorer. Cam Spencer could be next-level Joey California. Samson Johnson could have wall potential. If all (or most) of the above fall into place, these Huskies could repeat. But it won't be easy. Just ask Pitino. Or Billy D. or Coach K.
Marquette: The Golden Eagles won the Big East regular season by a full two games. They won their first Big East Tournament in program history, beating UConn and Creighton along the way. They went 2-1 against the national champs last season.
Marquette has the reigning Big East Player of the Year (Tyler Kolek), Coach of the Year (Shaka Smart) and Sixth Man Award winner (David Joplin) back in the fold. It's got four of its five starters back, including leading scorer Kam Jones and talented big Oso Ighodaro. The Golden Eagles' only loss was a big one — Olivier-Maxence Prosper, a first-round draft pick by Dallas. But Joplin could step into the starting rotation and fill the gap rather seamlessly.
UConn was the best team in the country last season, but Marquette was the best in the Big East. If that makes any sense. There's no reason why the Golden Eagles shouldn't be picked to win the league again.
Creighton: Everyone had the Bluejays winning the Big East and rumbling to the Final Four last season. An illness to Kalkbrenner and an ensuing six-game losing streak thwarted those plans, but maybe those predictions were just a year early? In Kalkbrenner, Trey Alexander and Baylor Scheierman, the Bluejays have arguably the top trio in the league. And for the second straight year, they've brought in perhaps the league's best portal pick-up. Last year it was Scheierman, this year it's Steven Ashworth, a point guard who was top-10 nationally in 3-pointers made (111) and percentage (43.4) last season for a very good Utah State team. He should ease the surprise transfer of Ryan Nembhard to Gonzaga. If Mason Miller or Virginia transfer Isaac Traudt can alleviate the departure of Arthur Kaluma to Kansas State ... watch out.
Upper-middle class
Villanova: The Wildcats had a change of residency last year following Wright's retirement. It took first-year coach Kyle Neptune a while to find his groove, and a first-round NIT loss to Liberty ensued. Not good. But 'Nova has the talent to get back into the upper tier of the league. Eric Dixon has been one of the league's best bigs (and a UConn-killer) for a while now. Justin Moore is presumably much more healthy after coming back from a torn Achilles last season. Sophomore Mark Armstrong's got game. And Neptune has brought in perhaps the league's best batch from the portal in high-scoring TJ Bamba (Washington State), Tyler Burton (Richmond) and Hakim Hart (Maryland).
"I mean, that roster's going to be loaded," said McDermott. "And they were playing very good basketball at the end of the year."
Xavier: The Musketeers were the only team that played and never lost to UConn last season, but they've lost a lot of talent. Jack Nunge, the 7-footer, is gone, and his 6-6 brother Bob, a walk-on, isn't a suitable replacement. Leading scorer Souley Boum and second-round draft pick Colby Jones are also gone. But program stalwart Zach Freemantle is back, a host of talent has been brought in through the portal, and Sean Miller can coach a little bit. Freshman Reid Ducharme, Caroline's little brother, could be key as a freshman shooter. But the lynchpin to it all could be New Haven's own Desmond Claude, who may be handed the keys to the car as a sophomore starting point guard.
St. John's: Pitino has to be good for at least a few spots up in the standings. He may be the greatest coach of his generation, even if he doesn't always do it in the most pristine of ways. For instance, booting all but two players from last year's squad and bringing in more players from the portal than he has scholarships for. Apparently, that'll be taken care of through name, image and likeness money. Ew. Still, you can't deny the talent, from the return of Soriano to the arrival of the nation's second leading scorer (Jordan Dingle of Penn), the Ivy League's leading rebounder (Chris Ledlum of Harvard) and four-star prospect Simeon Wilcher, a North Carolina decommit. And let's not forget old pal Nahiem Alleyne, who helped UConn win last year's title despite apparently battling an eye issue all season, and ex-Fairfield Warde star Sean Conway, a grad transfer from VMI.
Mid or major?
Providence: The Friars have one of the best returning combos in the league in a pair of All-Big East players, unanimous first-teamer Bryce Hopkins and defensive whiz Devin Carter. Old pal Corey Floyd Jr. could be ready to emerge after not getting much run last season from Cooley. New coach Kim English has jumped in with great energy and enthusiasm and is saying all the right things. He's brought a few good players along with him from George Mason. But English didn't exactly set the world on fire in his two seasons as GMU's head coach. And he's just 34, in a league with sharks like Pitino and Hurley and Smart and McDermott and Miller ... and Cooley ... lurking about. He may wind up being the perfect hire, but it may take some time to get his bearings in this league.
Meh
Seton Hall: Pirates are a real enigma. There's talent in Al-Amir Dawes, Husky-killer Kadary Richmond and Dre Davis. The defense should be stout again, and Shaheen Holloway certainly proved his coaching chops two years ago at Saint Peter's. But there's not a lot of offensive firepower here. Dylan Addae-Wusu, an interconference transfer from St. John's, is an intriguing addition.
Lower level
Georgetown: Cooley's road trips won't always be fun this season. His return to Providence, which reportedly will be when students are still on campus and on a weekend, will be the event of the winter in Friartown. And would it surprise anyone if Gampel Pavilion has dollar beer night this season when the Hoyas come to town? While Cooley's decision to depart PC remains odd, he's probably the right man to turn the Hoyas around. "Oh, definitely," Pitino said. "I think Ed's a terrific recruiter and a very good coach. He wouldn't have left Providence if he didn't believe Georgetown could be something special."
But it certainly won't happen overnight. He's brought in some talent via the portal (Illinois' Jayden Epps) and high school (Drew McKenna), but anything above a ninth-place finish would be a shock. Oh, and apparently he's lost Akok Akok.
Outhouse
DePaul: The Blue Demons have finished 10th in the Big East in Tony Stubblefield's first two seasons at the helm, and a third straight such finish seems about right. Maybe Zion Cruz becomes a star. Maybe not. Who knows? Who cares? Certainly not Chicago sports fans.
Butler: Hard to know exactly what Thad Matta has here. Five of his departing players averaged double figures scoring last season. But then, so did five of his portal additions, including St. John's transfer Posh Alexander, who should keep things fun, if nothing else. Too bad director of basketball operations Greg Oden can't suit up.
Written By
David Borges
UConn men's basketball beat writer
"They won their first Big East Tournament in program history, beating UConn and Creighton along the way."
#FakeNews #Lies
DePaul launches fundraising campaign to upgrade facilities, including construction of a new basketball practice facility,
https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2023/8/31/athletics-depaul-university-announces-campaigns-to-enhance-campus-athletics-facilities-academics.aspx
Quote from: Pakuni on August 31, 2023, 01:17:22 PM
DePaul launches fundraising campaign to upgrade facilities, including construction of a new basketball practice facility,
https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2023/8/31/athletics-depaul-university-announces-campaigns-to-enhance-campus-athletics-facilities-academics.aspx
$60 million, $80 million or $100 million - it doesn't matter. Wintrust is still Fiserv south until further notice.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 24, 2023, 10:26:19 AM
I meant to post earlier. Just getting around to. From this Sunday's New Haven Register.
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/big-east-rick-pitino-dan-hurley-18291682.php
Sizing up UConn, Big East men's basketball conference ahead of season: 'This league will be loaded'
David Borges
Staff Writer
Aug. 18, 2023
...
"It makes you extremely proud to be part of it," McDermott said, "because, obviously, we had to navigate a very difficult time. Jay Wright's leadership from the start was really important to get this league on the right foot and making sure that all the coaches understood we might have to make some decisions that, while they might not be in the best interests of each individual program, if they're in the best interest of the league, we all have to be on board with that. I think that's continued the last decade."
...
Written By
David Borges
UConn men's basketball beat writer
Can someone with greater insight than I explain what this might refer to? Is it recruiting battles? Is it scheduling? It seems like McD is being pretty specific about 'guidance' from Wright, but I don't know what he would be referring to.
Quote from: mug644 on August 31, 2023, 11:41:12 PM
Can someone with greater insight than I explain what this might refer to? Is it recruiting battles? Is it scheduling? It seems like McD is being pretty specific about 'guidance' from Wright, but I don't know what he would be referring to.
My guess would be referring to non conference scheduling. In the early years The league got off to a strong start non conference , which led to lots of Tournament Bids. Nova had few classic cupcakes, cause they always have their traditional Big 5 rivalry games factored into the mix . Other teams in the league loaded up on quality games as well and won their fair share of them
Here is the Providence Board on McNair.
https://247sports.com/college/providence/board/102629/Contents/mcnair-enters-portal-215533470/?page=1
Not a big loss for English Enterprises
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2023, 06:14:26 PM
Here is the Providence Board on McNair.
https://247sports.com/college/providence/board/102629/Contents/mcnair-enters-portal-215533470/?page=1
Not a big loss for English Enterprises
He averaged 18 minutes a game on their foreign tour and was one of four guys on their roster who could conceivably play the 5. The other three:
1. Was an All-A10 player for a meh George Mason team (Oduro)
2. Averaged 6.5 mpg for the Friars last season (Castro)
3. Is a freshman who was ranked outside the top 100 in the 2024 class, reclassed he's likely more like a sub 200 recruit. He also committed TODAY and has not had any practice time with the squad. (DeLaurier)
It is a significant loss. Not a crippling one but he was going to get plenty of minutes this season. The main issue is that this likely means Oduro playing the 5 a lot more than the 4 where he's probably a better fit at the Big East level. This has a domino effect with Hopkins who will now need to spend more time at the 4 instead of at the 3 where he can physically dominate most wings in the BEast. McNair gave them 15-20 minutes a game where Hopkins and Oduro could play at their ideal positions. I don't think Castro or DeLaurier can replicate that.
Last year, the Big East schedule came out the Friday of Labor Day week. I wonder if we'll get this season's schedule tomorrow.
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
Last year, the Big East schedule came out the Friday of Labor Day week. I wonder if we'll get this season's schedule tomorrow.
Rothstein tweeted a couple days ago that it'll be announced within the next 2 weeks. Pretty vague and a large timeline but that's what he said
Quote from: swoopem on September 07, 2023, 10:15:02 AM
Rothstein tweeted a couple days ago that it'll be announced within the next 2 weeks. Pretty vague and a large timeline but that's what he said
Thanks for the info. I'd have preferred tomorrow!
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Thanks for the info. I'd have preferred tomorrow!
Technically tomorrow is in his timeline so it's possible
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
Last year, the Big East schedule came out the Friday of Labor Day week. I wonder if we'll get this season's schedule tomorrow.
I heard next week, but who knows.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2023, 06:14:26 PM
Here is the Providence Board on McNair.
https://247sports.com/college/providence/board/102629/Contents/mcnair-enters-portal-215533470/?page=1
Not a big loss for English Enterprises
I think English Inc. sounds better when said aloud.
So what has Cooley and Company become? Cooley's Supreme Court?
Quote from: barfolomew on September 07, 2023, 11:53:39 AM
So what has Cooley and Company become? Cooley's Supreme Court?
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Quote from: swoopem on September 07, 2023, 10:15:02 AM
Rothstein tweeted a couple days ago that it'll be announced within the next 2 weeks. Pretty vague and a large timeline but that's what he said
That's basically the "sources say what has always happened will happen again." You don't need sources to say that.
Looks like Coach Cooley has his staff in place . Appears to be a well rounded group
https://www.casualhoya.com/2023/8/18/23837503/staff-ed-cooley-coaches-listed-on-georgetown-roster-page-hoyas-big-east-thomas-battle-blaney
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 07, 2023, 01:01:03 PM
Looks like Coach Cooley has his staff in place . Appears to be a well rounded group
https://www.casualhoya.com/2023/8/18/23837503/staff-ed-cooley-coaches-listed-on-georgetown-roster-page-hoyas-big-east-thomas-battle-blaney
What a terrible staff
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 07, 2023, 01:01:03 PM
Looks like Coach Cooley has his staff in place . Appears to be a well rounded group
https://www.casualhoya.com/2023/8/18/23837503/staff-ed-cooley-coaches-listed-on-georgetown-roster-page-hoyas-big-east-thomas-battle-blaney
Which one is his Jezebel?
Goodman reporting that Freemantle's foot is not healing.
Quote from: tower912 on September 09, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
Goodman reporting that Freemantle's foot is not healing.
Hate to see these things happen. Hopefully, the next surgery will go better.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1700542643355128216?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 09, 2023, 02:10:09 PM
Hate to see these things happen. Hopefully, the next surgery will go better.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1700542643355128216?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I don't. Hope he's out all year
I can't wish ill health on a kid just because he wears a different jersey. I hope he recovers completely and lives a full, pain-free life.
Quote from: tower912 on September 09, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
I can't wish ill health on a kid just because he wears a different jersey. I hope he recovers completely and lives a full, pain-free life.
You must have not been alive during Al's era.
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
Last year, the Big East schedule came out the Friday of Labor Day week. I wonder if we'll get this season's schedule tomorrow.
My source says we won't, aina?
Bluejays non conference not as tough as MU. Will give them time to adjust to roster changes.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/7/27/23664466/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-creighton-bluejays-mcdermott-kalkbrenner-scheierman-alexander
Rothstein is starting to leak conference games. Hopefully that means they'll announce the full schedule today
Quote from: swoopem on September 13, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Rothstein is starting to leak conference games. Hopefully that means they'll announce the full schedule today
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1701950446615625836?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
That's some nice math by Rothstein.
Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2023, 09:21:55 AM
That's some nice math by Rothstein.
People who read twitter usually need help doing simple addition/subtraction
Rothstein:
MU at PC Dec 19th
Quote from: swoopem on September 13, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Rothstein is starting to leak conference games. Hopefully that means they'll announce the full schedule today
Per Dave Borges, full schedule is coming Friday.
After opening at Providence on 12/19, I imagine we either host either Butler or Georgetown on 12/23 or play at Creighton on 12/25.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 13, 2023, 11:21:42 AM
Per Dave Borges, full schedule is coming Friday.
After opening at Providence on 12/19, I imagine we either host either Butler or Georgetown on 12/23 or play at Creighton on 12/25.
Why?
Looks like our game at St. John's is also being held at MSG.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1702049413764411833?s=19
Quote from: SlowJoe on September 13, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
Looks like our game at St. John's is also being held at MSG.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1702049413764411833?s=19 (https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1702049413764411833?s=19)
Zach had Georgetown playing twice at MSG.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 13, 2023, 03:32:17 PM
Zach had Georgetown playing twice at MSG.
I saw that as well. My guess would be Creighton once, and Gtown once.
Quote from: MUbiz on September 13, 2023, 04:32:26 PM
I saw that as well. My guess would be Creighton once, and Gtown once.
The Big East is actually punishing Ed for being a traitor so they'll play all road games this season.
Quote from: SlowJoe on September 13, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
Looks like our game at St. John's is also being held at MSG.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1702049413764411833?s=19
AKA the world's most umami arena
Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2023, 03:01:05 PM
Why?
Per Rothstein, here are the Big East openers:
Marquette at Providence (12/19)
UConn at Seton Hall
Villanova at Creighton
Xavier at St John's
And he's reporting these are the current 12/23 games:
Villanova at DePaul
St John's at UConn
Seton Hall at Xavier
If we open with Providence, we won't play them again. That leaves just Butler, Georgetown, and Creighton. Butler and Georgetown likely play each other or host DePaul to open Big East play. I expect whichever team hosts that game will travel to Fiserv on 12/22 or 12/23.
Creighton's Christmas game was so popular with the fans both in person and on TV, I'm guessing they'll do that again. Not impossible to imagine us playing at Providence 12/19, hosting BU/GT on 12/22, then playing on Christmas in Omaha.
Regular season will end March 9th at Cintas. Marquette closes the Big East campaign at Xavier. X has parking passes for sale that reveal all their home games.
Some at Creighton leaked the CU schedule.
MU @ Creighton 1/6
Creighton @ MU 2/3
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 14, 2023, 08:21:41 AM
Some at Creighton leaked the CU schedule.
MU @ Creighton 1/6
Creighton @ MU 2/3
Feels like that could be NMD.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 14, 2023, 08:21:41 AM
Some at Creighton leaked the CU schedule.
MU @ Creighton 1/6
Creighton @ MU 2/3
So their place on xmas break and out place on a Saturday? Yes please!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
So their place on xmas break and out place on a Saturday? Yes please!
It's Omaha, NE. Their building will be packed and loud.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 14, 2023, 09:25:17 AM
It's Omaha, NE. Their building will be packed and loud.
Exactly. Creigton is the pro team in town. Place is a Zoo, 365.
Georgetown at Marquette 12/22
So Freemantle AND Hunter likely out for the year? Ooofta (sic)
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2023, 03:09:31 PM
So Freemantle AND Hunter likely out for the year? Ooofta (sic)
Is Freemantle official? I still have him stated for 1/2 of his minutes.
Xavier could fall into that Georgetown and Butler tier.
Abou Ousmane will need to be great for them.
Quote from: jfp61 on September 14, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Is Freemantle official? I still have him stated for 1/2 of his minutes.
No but Cbs sports reporting someone from "within the program" saying they don't expect him at all this season
Quote from: jfp61 on September 14, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Is Freemantle official? I still have him stated for 1/2 of his minutes.
Xavier could fall into that Georgetown and Butler tier.
Abou Ousmane will need to be great for them.
They have a lot of interesting pieces and Miller can coach...but that is a lot of fresh blood on one roster without Hunter and Freemantle. Claude would be the only returner who played in even half their games list season. I have no idea what to expect from the Serbian and the Lithuanian they just picked up.
Pretty unlikley they pick up that much foreign size if they are not expecting him to likely be out all year or close to it.
Quote from: jfp61 on September 14, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Is Freemantle official? I still have him stated for 1/2 of his minutes.
Xavier could fall into that Georgetown and Butler tier.
Abou Ousmane will need to be great for them.
I heard last week both were likely out for the year, but chalked it up to rumor. Not sure if this is just that same rumor getting picked up nationally or if Freemantle will join Hunter on the shelf.
Schedule comes out at 10am
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 15, 2023, 07:27:17 AM
Schedule comes out at 10am
Here it is: https://www.bigeast.com/news/2023/9/15/big-east-announces-2023-24-mens-basketball-schedule.aspx
MU Only Schedule:
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1702699190772437226
Really hope NMD isn't on a Sunday again for us out of town travelers.
Edit: looks like it's 2/10 lfg
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 15, 2023, 10:07:39 AM
MU Only Schedule:
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1702699190772437226
7-13
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
So their place on xmas break and out place on a Saturday? Yes please!
So that turned out to be wildly wrong... We have them here at break and there in March.
It's ridiculous that MU marketing can't have their Outlook/iCal/Google calendar feeds updated immediately as the schedule comes out.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 15, 2023, 10:18:05 AM
It's ridiculous that MU marketing can't have their Outlook/iCal/Google calendar feeds updated immediately as the schedule comes out.
Marketing has summer fridays year round
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 15, 2023, 10:20:39 AM
Marketing has summer fridays year round
Typical Millennials.
Tough 3 game stretch to close out the year.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 15, 2023, 10:18:05 AM
It's ridiculous that MU marketing can't have their Outlook/iCal/Google calendar feeds updated immediately as the schedule comes out.
Probably waiting on times, right?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 15, 2023, 10:34:49 AM
Tough 3 game stretch to close out the year.
Depends on what Xavier is. Might be shite.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 15, 2023, 10:34:49 AM
Tough 3 game stretch to close out the year.
Yup back stretch is much tougher.
Should start hot though.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 15, 2023, 10:35:41 AM
Depends on what Xavier is. Might be crape.
Yeah the injuries definitely hurt them. But Miller can coach and the Cintas is a tough place to play.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 15, 2023, 10:38:53 AM
Yup back stretch is much tougher.
Should start hot though.
February Fade has begun
Ugh St. John's should never be Senior Day or National Marquette Day. Al's Night doesn't have the same focus when it's an afterthought for a bigger occasion.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 15, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Ugh St. John's should never be Senior Day or National Marquette Day. Al's Night doesn't have the same focus when it's an afterthought for a bigger occasion.
Al is on our court
Al is on our practice facility
Al is on our jerseys
I think we'll survive with a toned down Al's Day.
Quote from: The Lens on September 15, 2023, 10:52:17 AM
Al is on our court
Al is on our practice facility
Al is on our jerseys
I think we'll survive with a toned down Al's Day.
Right? I never want to minimize what he meant to the program but I think we have it covered.
Yeah I think the "Al's Night" stuff has become a bit of overkill anyway.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 15, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
Probably waiting on times, right?
Now we have to wait on game times? What a disservice! This is a top 10 preseason team and MU is treating it like St. Louis.
Only 2 home games between January 15 and February 21. That'll be a quiet month at the Fiserv
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 15, 2023, 10:58:10 AM
Yeah I think the "Al's Night" stuff has become a bit of overkill anyway.
Oh, boy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2023, 11:02:37 AM
Oh, boy.
I wouldn't say it's overkill, but it's definitely been watered down.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 15, 2023, 11:01:54 AM
Only 2 home games between January 15 and February 21. That'll be a quiet month at the Fiserv
Monster Jam, Muppets on Ice, Badgers hockey, Mac Davis Live all had higher priority.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 15, 2023, 11:00:30 AM
Now we have to wait on game times? What a disservice! This is a top 10 preseason team and MU is treating it like St. Louis.
Yeah! Why does UConn have their TV + Times listed but we don't!!!!
Pre-Conference re-alignment when we weren't guaranteed a home game with every opponent, wasn't Al's night occasionally when we hosted DePaul? Seems like there's a solution out there, should the athletic department decide to pursue it.
Quote from: The Lens on September 15, 2023, 10:52:17 AM
Al is on our court
Al is on our practice facility
Al is on our jerseys
I think we'll survive with a toned down Al's Day.
Heresy!?!?! Turn in your MU alumni card.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 15, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
Monster Jam, Muppets on Ice, Badgers hockey, Mac Davis Live all had higher priority.
Mac Davis Live
Legend
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 15, 2023, 11:01:54 AM
Only 2 home games between January 15 and February 21. That'll be a quiet month at the Fiserv
Disney on Ice has one weekend in February so I knew there would be no MU games then.
X picks up another body from overseas ,With Freemantle and Hunter out
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38385366/international-basketball-prospect-sasa-ciani-commits-xavier
Quote from: LloydsLegs on September 15, 2023, 11:16:24 AM
Mac Davis Live
Legend
He will be a bigger legend after his "Back from the Dead" tour. Epic.
On a serious Al note: Next season is the 50th anniversary of the national runner up team. Al will get his due.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 15, 2023, 11:26:31 AM
X picks up another body from overseas ,With Freemantle and Hunter out
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38385366/international-basketball-prospect-sasa-ciani-commits-xavier
Remember the good old days when players would have to be on campus when classes started, and that players would have to go through NCAA eligibility which could take months.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 15, 2023, 10:18:05 AM
It's ridiculous that MU marketing can't have their Outlook/iCal/Google calendar feeds updated immediately as the schedule comes out.
They are busy creating game highlights and box scores from the Italy trip...
2 home games in 5 weeks ?
( followed by 3 home games in a week)
WTF ?
It's amazing that MU is not even treated like a 2d class citizen at the FF. More like a problem stepchild...
Overall, some positives, some negatives to the schedule.
- I like opening with Providence. No students in a historically tough building against a team that may need time to gel is good.
- Don't like having 3 home games and 2 road games with students away.
- On the positive, two of those three home games are Georgetown and Butler, which we should win if our team plays blindfolded.
- Expecting Marquette/Creighton on 12/30 to be a top-5 matchup, possibly between undefeated teams. Could even be 1/2.
- 4/5 and 6/8 on the road starting in mid-January. That's a tough travel stretch, particularly ending with a trip to UConn. Upside, as that's a Saturday we probably play in Hartford instead of on campus.
- Ultimately, we couldn't go 11-0 in non-con until we had a schedule, and the same goes for getting to 20-0 in the Big East. Win them all, secure the #1 overall seed, and cut down nets four times. Let's go.
Quote from: Mu8891 on September 15, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
2 home games in 5 weeks ?
( followed by 3 home games in a week)
WTF ?
It's amazing that MU is not even treated like a 2d class citizen at the FF. More like a problem stepchild...
The Bucks organization serves Budweiser, that's literally all you need to know.
Lens - Great point. That sums it up
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 15, 2023, 10:58:10 AM
Yeah I think the "Al's Night" stuff has become a bit of overkill anyway.
A LOT of overkill ( and that from someone who loved every minute of Al's time here).
Quote from: The Lens on September 15, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Yeah! Why does UConn have their TV + Times listed but we don't!!!!
UConn is a championship caliber program with a marketing department with similar chops.
MU's marketing department can't handle the weight of Shaka's success.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 15, 2023, 04:45:53 PM
UConn is a championship caliber program with a marketing department with similar chops.
MU's marketing department can't handle the weight of Shaka's success.
(Hope you meant teal)
YOU REALIZE UCONN DOESN'T HAVE TIME
OR TV YET EITHER.
NO ONE IN BIG EAST DOES.
Time and TV hates us.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 15, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
Time and TV hates us.
DePaul hates us too. Back to mid-week games in The Winnie. And to think, last year they finally fixed their beer delivery issues. 🤷
Quote from: The Lens on September 15, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
(Hope you meant teal)
YOU REALIZE UCONN DOESN'T HAVE TIME
OR TV YET EITHER.
NO ONE IN BIG EAST DOES.
Yes.
We're slighted again, no respect as a national championship contender!
Hopefully MU avoids those big nationally televised games! We never win those, always a huge disappointment.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 15, 2023, 11:01:54 AM
Only 2 home games between January 15 and February 21. That'll be a quiet month at the Fiserv
My bad, it's actually three home games during that stretch. I missed that we were playing DePaul at our other home arena
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 15, 2023, 11:01:54 AM
Only 2 home games between January 15 and February 21. That'll be a quiet month at the Fiserv
4
Jan 15 Villanova
Jan 27 Seton Hall
Feb 10 St. John's
Feb. 21 DePaul
Quote from: The Lens on September 15, 2023, 10:52:17 AM
Al is on our court
Al is on our practice facility
Al is on our jerseys
I think we'll survive with a toned down Al's Day.
agreed, but I did like AL on the jersey rather than last season on the shorts waistband.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 15, 2023, 08:48:16 PM
4
Jan 15 Villanova
Jan 27 Seton Hall
Feb 10 St. John's
Feb. 21 DePaul
I think TAMU's point was the 6/8 on the road stretch. Probably easier to look at 1/20 to 2/20.
I guess the upside is we open with 4/6 at home (though 3 of those without students) and close with 4/6 at home.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 15, 2023, 08:48:16 PM
4
Jan 15 Villanova
Jan 27 Seton Hall
Feb 10 St. John's
Feb. 21 DePaul
Between Jan 15 and Jan 21, as in between those two days, not including them
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 16, 2023, 08:56:56 AM
Between Jan 15 and Jan 21, as in between those two days, not including them
Fix the typo
Friends, I don't think I've ever posted on scoop, but I read it every day. I'm an MU alum (PhD 1999) and I will be in DC for the Georgetown game on Feb 3. I need two tickets.. Anyone with leads, connections? Does MU have road tickets for sale?
Based on the average Georgetown attendance, the simplest thing may be to simply go through the venue.
Quote from: mittelstadtm on September 16, 2023, 09:12:59 AM
Friends, I don't think I've ever posted on scoop, but I read it every day. I'm an MU alum (PhD 1999) and I will be in DC for the Georgetown game on Feb 3. I need two tickets.. Anyone with leads, connections? Does MU have road tickets for sale?
Marquette usually has a big allotment in DC because of the Aspin Center. A lot of alumni attend. Also GTown has no fans so there are more than enough seats. If you want to sit with MU fans follow the DC MU Alumni Facebook page. They will also host a pre/post game party.
Quote from: mittelstadtm on September 16, 2023, 09:12:59 AM
Friends, I don't think I've ever posted on scoop, but I read it every day. I'm an MU alum (PhD 1999) and I will be in DC for the Georgetown game on Feb 3. I need two tickets.. Anyone with leads, connections? Does MU have road tickets for sale?
I have road tripped to DC for MU/Georgetown games. Tickets at the Capitol Center were never a problem because the Hoyas sucked. I suspect ticket demand will be much higher with Ed Cooley coming in.
I would call the Georgetown Athletic Ticket Office ASAP and ask them when single game tickets go on sale. They will probably tell you that Georgetown doesn't sell the tickets and re-dirct you to Ticket master or some such service. If you're looking for the more expensive, quality seats, you may have to go to the secondary market.
As far as getting any help from MU in purchasing road game tickets, your success will be in direct proportion to the size of the checks you write out every year. My experience is that MU gets X amount of tickets for road games and they naturally look to take care of their largest donors first. I get this completely and understand. But they're likely to tell you to check back a few days before the game and if they have uncommitted tickets they'll sell them to you. That's generally too long to wait, at least for me.
Happy travels.
" much higher " demand for tics at
Gtown ? I doubt it ...
But, even if demand doubles they go from what ? 2k to 4K per game?
I've been to GT multiple times. Even on StubHub, Vivid, etc. tickets are very available and very reasonable. If Cooley turns things around that could change.
Quote from: mittelstadtm on September 16, 2023, 09:12:59 AM
Friends, I don't think I've ever posted on scoop, but I read it every day. I'm an MU alum (PhD 1999) and I will be in DC for the Georgetown game on Feb 3. I need two tickets.. Anyone with leads, connections? Does MU have road tickets for sale?
Georgetown has very little current fan support. Just go straight to their ticket office and you can get some great seats.
Even if GT gets better under Cooley, its not going to happen that fast.
Johnnies increase number of games at The Garden. Also playing 3 games at UBS arena on Long Island.
https://nypost.com/2023/09/15/st-johns-big-east-schedule-fulfills-rick-pitinos-msg-promise/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 17, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
Johnnies increase number of games at The Garden. Also playing 3 games at UBS arena on Long Island.
https://nypost.com/2023/09/15/st-johns-big-east-schedule-fulfills-rick-pitinos-msg-promise/amp/
That UBS news caught my eye, have they played there before?
Hope Rick doesn't get urritable bowel syndrome during those games
Quote from: The Lens on September 17, 2023, 10:32:19 AM
That UBS news caught my eye, have they played there before?
Johnnies played there once , when the facility opened in 2021, lost to Kansas. It will be easy for their Long Island fan base to get to UBS, so expecting good crowds.
Excellent article on Big East Tiers
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/big-east-basketball-marquette-creighton-villanova-uconn-huskies-dan-hurley-st-johns-rick-pitino-xavier-sean-miller-providence-georgetown-hoyas-216391284/#2245174
Blue Jay beat writer positive on MU
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-mailbag-who-will-the-jays-miss-the-most-way-too-early-big-east-rankings/article_bea54160-5703-11ee-9447-234d979f98da.html
https://nypost.com/2023/09/18/rick-pitino-snags-another-big-time-commitment-for-st-johns/amp/
What's da NIL payout, hey?
Times and network schedule is out. ND @8pm St. John's @ 5pm
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2023/9/27/big-east-announces-2023-24-mens-basketball-tv-coverage.aspx
MCDermott with some optimism
https://www.wowt.com/2023/09/27/practice-begins-greg-mcdermott-talks-new-additions-expectations-creighton-mens-basketball/?outputType=amp
He should be. Creighton returns almost as much as MU. From a really good team.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1707498188842647684?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
.@XavierMBB
graduate student Zach Freemantle underwent successful surgery on his left foot on 9/18.
No timetable has been set for his return to basketball activities.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 28, 2023, 03:56:08 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1707498188842647684?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
.@XavierMBB
graduate student Zach Freemantle underwent successful surgery on his left foot on 9/18.
No timetable has been set for his return to basketball activities.
Hopefully the foot heals properly this time. The good news is Zach graduated and will hopefully earn a Graduate Degree
Donovan Clingan out for a month:
https://twitter.com/DaveBorges/status/1707860206472896828
Gronk working out with English Enterprises
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2023/09/26/rob-gronkowski-was-on-campus-for-a-workout-at-pcs-ruane-development-center/70964881007/
Quote from: warriorchick on September 30, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Donovan Clingan out for a month:
https://twitter.com/DaveBorges/status/1707860206472896828
I think there's a much larger chance he regrets returning than most borderline first rounders who return. He may come back and really help himself, but there's also a chance that he has his weaknesses exposed as a more prominent player than there was as a 15 mpg guy. Plus injures are always a concern, especially to such big guys.
Boeheim bullish on The Johnnies with Pitino in charge
https://collegehoops.today/rothstein-files/jim-boeheim-on-st-johns-theyre-going-to-be-at-worst-a-top-20-team-this-season/
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on September 27, 2023, 03:27:32 PM
Times and network schedule is out. ND @8pm St. John's @ 5pm
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2023/9/27/big-east-announces-2023-24-mens-basketball-tv-coverage.aspx
You can add another FOX game
Dec. 2 11:30am at Wisconsin
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on October 03, 2023, 10:18:34 AM
You can add another FOX game
Dec. 2 11:30am at Wisconsin
That is helpful exposure for MU
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 03, 2023, 12:06:58 PM
That is helpful exposure for MU
NAY, GOOD SIR!
I SAY IT IS WISCONSIN THAT WILL BE EXPOSED!
Fanta preview-complete takeaway
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1709735359930630213
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/7/25/23664454/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-butler-bulldogs-matta-thomas-alexander-davis-telfort-screen
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 16, 2023, 02:39:46 PM
Georgetown has very little fan support. Just go straight to their ticket office and you can get some great seats.
Georgetown has fan support but the base has been burned out, a lot like the NFL fans of the area. There was a time a Redskins ticket was absolute gold in DC, now they can't given them away. Last in the NFL in attendance even after taking over 20,000 seats out of the upper deck--they draw fewer fans than the Bears.
https://twitter.com/WashingtonComs/status/1657148356198580225/photo/1
https://frontofficesports.com/the-downward-spiral-of-the-washington-commanders/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 05, 2023, 10:29:04 AM
Fanta preview-complete takeaway
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1709735359930630213
Excited to see what Stevie looks like if he really noticeably hit the weight room. Dude has been a bulldog since day 1 at Marquette.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 05, 2023, 02:42:32 PM
Excited to see what Stevie looks like if he really noticeably hit the weight room. Dude has been a bulldog since day 1 at Marquette.
So, are the Courtside Cougars, by all accounts.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on October 05, 2023, 12:09:04 PM
Georgetown has fan support but the base has been burned out, a lot like the NFL fans of the area. There was a time a Redskins ticket was absolute gold in DC, now they can't given them away. Last in the NFL in attendance even after taking over 20,000 seats out of the upper deck--they draw fewer fans than the Bears.
https://twitter.com/WashingtonComs/status/1657148356198580225/photo/1
https://frontofficesports.com/the-downward-spiral-of-the-washington-commanders/
Correction noted in original post
Georgetown Outlook
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2023/9/14/23664468/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-georgetown-hoyas-cooley-heath-bristol-cook-epps
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 05, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
So, are the Courtside Cougars, by all accounts.
Not worried. There is such a thing as too bulked up.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/8/4/23664473/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-seton-hall-pirates-holloway-dawes-richmond-davis-coleman
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1713263220595528068
I don't know how good Wake Forest is going to be...but Jayden Epps dropping 46 in a game is something
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 14, 2023, 10:56:19 PM
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1713263220595528068
I don't know how good Wake Forest is going to be...but Jayden Epps dropping 46 in a game is something
Time to write a letter!
Nova should be a strong squad
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/8/7/23664474/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-villanova-wildcats-neptune-moore-dixon-burton-hart
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/7/26/23664461/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-connecticut-uconn-huskies-hurley-newton-clingan-karaban
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/7/31/23664471/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-st-johns-red-storm-pitino-soriano-dingle-ledlum
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 21, 2023, 08:46:11 AM
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2023/7/31/23664471/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-st-johns-red-storm-pitino-soriano-dingle-ledlum
Out of curiosity, why are you reposting months old articles every time I post a preview?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 21, 2023, 08:55:43 AM
Out of curiosity, why are you reposting months old articles every time I post a preview?
Anonymous Eagle doesn't post here anymore and Herm doesn't like that you guys do a better job covering Marquette than Dodds
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 21, 2023, 08:55:43 AM
Out of curiosity, why are you reposting months old articles every time I post a preview?
Check out the Aaron Rodgers post GBP thread. He just reposts articles that no one comments on.
He's just that guy.
Johnnies defeat Rutgers in Overtime Exhibition game
https://nypost.com/2023/10/21/st-johns-wins-ot-exhibition-thriller-to-kick-off-rick-pitino-era/amp/
Notre Dame beat Xavier 91-84. For more details have to subscribe to the Xavier Premium 247
Friars beat St Joes in secret scrimmage
https://twitter.com/pcbb1917/status/1715811654204555428
Pitt blasts Hoyas in secret scrimmage
https://www.casualhoya.com/platform/amp/2023/10/21/23926661/assault-at-allegany-pitt-posts-lowlights-of-georgetown-hoyas-secret-scrimmage-cooley-massoud
This is 0T but what the hell. Last week was talking to a long time buddy who really bleeds Badger red. He told me that this past Spring he was worried that Chuckie Hepburn would leave Madison and transfer home to Omaha and play at Creighton . I told him that move would prove to be good news and bad news for Chuck. He would be playing for a better coach ( McDermott) in a better basketball conference (BE), but that I doubted he would play a lot at Creighton. Since I generally know how to yank this guys chain, I thought this would start a friendly brawl. But the guy thought I might be on to something given the quality of CU's guards.
Would Hepburn be a star at Creighton??
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 24, 2023, 04:22:18 PM
This is 0T but what the hell. Last week was talking to a long time buddy who really bleeds Badger red. He told me that this past Spring he was worried that Chuckie Hepburn would leave Madison and transfer home to Omaha and play at Creighton . I told him that move would prove to be good news and bad news for Chuck. He would be playing for a better coach ( McDermott) in a better basketball conference (BE), but that I doubted he would play a lot at Creighton. Since I generally know how to yank this guys chain, I thought this would start a friendly brawl. But the guy thought I might be on to something given the quality of CU's guards.
Would Hepburn be a star at Creighton??
I think he'd be the same. Not sure there's more there in a different system
I'm also not convinced that McDermott is that much better than Gard.
Recruits better on the plantation
Looks like Creighton beat Iowa State in a secret scrimmage
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/17df5hi/demarinis_closed_scrimmage_report_8_creighton/
MU Secret Scrimmage today versus Michigan.
Apparently MU had a wake up call today versus Michigan
https://twitter.com/davismoseley/status/1718361557418020973?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1718371260055334988?t=QYQOlaPSRPrgvXwTZX_9tQ&s=19
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 28, 2023, 03:57:57 PM
Apparently MU had a wake up call today versus Michigan
https://twitter.com/davismoseley/status/1718361557418020973?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1718371260055334988?t=QYQOlaPSRPrgvXwTZX_9tQ&s=19
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65143.0
There's a topic for it. Can't miss it
The Johnnies lose to Pace in an Exhibition
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1718747290020512117?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Butler beat Ohio Northern 78-46 in an Exhibition
The Hall beat NJIT 68-60 in an Exhibition at NJIT. NJIT was up 10 but The Hall rallied for the win.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2023/10/28/seton-hall-basketball-richmond-stars-in-exhibition-win-over-njit/71297335007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 29, 2023, 05:00:28 PM
The Johnnies lose to Pace in an Exhibition
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1718747290020512117?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Butler beat Ohio Northern 78-46 in an Exhibition
Soriano and Dingle were out for the Johnnies. Still a bad result but maybe not as bad as one might think
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 29, 2023, 08:50:14 PM
Soriano and Dingle were out for the Johnnies. Still a bad result but maybe not as bad as one might think
https://nypost.com/2023/10/29/sports/st-johns-takes-step-back-with-exhibition-loss-to-dii-pace/?itm_source=parsely-api
Great quote from Pitino:
"If I asked for anything for a Christmas present, it was this loss because Stony Brook just beat Manhattan by 50 points and they'll come in and take us to the woodshed if we rebound like that. ... We learned a lot about what we need to work on tonight. That's what exhibition games are for."
If MU lost to Pace I would be a little concerned, even without three starters. That must have been a slap in the face to St John's fans. And I know.......it's just an exhibition game.
If memory serves, Boeheim basically tanked an exhibition game against a D2 team playing straight man to man to prove a point.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 30, 2023, 07:09:57 AM
If MU lost to Pace I would be a little concerned, even without three starters. That must have been a slap in the face to St John's fans. And I know.......it's just an exhibition game.
If I were to guess, Slick Rick lost the game on purpose. Part of the reason will be to show people what a great coach he is later in the year. What an improvement from losing to Pace to being middle of the pack in the Big East!
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2023, 07:10:27 AM
If memory serves, Boeheim basically tanked an exhibition game against a D2 team playing straight man to man to prove a point.
I remember them losing to Belmont, but didn't know/remember that was why
Boeheim lost to Le Moyne. Whoever they are.
And went on to get a 1 seed and lose to Butler in the sweet 16 that year.
Quote from: MU90620 on October 30, 2023, 08:46:17 AM
And went on to get a 1 seed and lose to Butler in the sweet 16 that year.
Also won the Big East that year. The Le Moyne game shows just how consequential these are. There was serious overreaction to that one in the moment.
The Big 5 is being restructured , with a Championship triple beader and adding Drexel. Nova will end up playing 3 big Big 5 games instead of 4.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/philadelphia/news/say-goodbye-to-tradition-philadelphias-big-5-gets-facelift/
Providence apparently dropped their exhibition game against East Carolina. Hopefully everyone in the league is getting these losses out of their system before they impact SOS.
https://x.com/jamieshaw5/status/1719387183398756505?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Butler beat Franklin college 91-54 in an Exhibition game
DePaul beat North Park in an exhibition 74-63
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 02, 2023, 10:02:57 PM
DePaul beat North Park in an exhibition 74-63
North Park sounds like a Rec League team
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 31, 2023, 12:22:17 PM
Providence apparently dropped their exhibition game against East Carolina. Hopefully everyone in the league is getting these losses out of their system before they impact SOS.
https://x.com/jamieshaw5/status/1719387183398756505?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Providence seems to have made a habit of some bad non-conference losses early on and then playing tough in the conference season. Certainly not beneficial to the other teams in the conference. Hopefully they can avoid those losses early this year that create a drag on the conference overall.
U Conn with a solid halftime lead over Northern Arizona
How good are da 🦚🦚🦚?
Solid win for Bulldogs over EMU
Solid rivalry win for The Hall over The Cocks
Desmond Claude had an excellent game to night for X in their win over Bob Morris
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2023, 09:03:34 PM
Solid win for Bulldogs over EMU
Butler may surprise a few teams this year
https://x.com/ButlerMBB/status/1721747906917519426?s=20
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2023, 10:43:08 PM
Butler may surprise a few teams this year
https://x.com/ButlerMBB/status/1721747906917519426?s=20
Yea by finishing 9th instead of 10th
Solid wins for Nova and The Friars .
Big East finished the day 7-0. That definitely helps The Cause .
Cooley getting out of the gates quickly at Georgetown with a solid cupcake win.
https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1722079573624402149?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Solid win for The Johnnies
DePaul being DePaul-----yet again. Late first half trailing Purdue-Fort Wayne by 11 at home----in front of what looks like about 400 people.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 07, 2023, 08:53:23 PM
DePaul being DePaul-----yet again. Late first half trailing Purdue-Fort Wayne by 11 at home----in front of what looks like about 400 people.
Losing to Purdue in Fort Wayne isn't so bad.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 07, 2023, 09:05:48 PM
:o
What? Losing to Indiana University in Pennsylvania would be worse.
I'm a dad and these are my jokes. ;D
It's all so confusing.
DePaul seems worse than usual. That said I really hope they don't loose this game.
Quote from: Hoops92 on November 07, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
DePaul seems worse than usual. That said I really hope they don't loose this game.
Isn't it in the BigEast Bylaws that any loss to PFW results in expulsion from the league?
It will not help the Big East Cause if DePaul loses this game
DePaul should not be in the BEast.
PFW 75 DPU 70, 0:53 left. >:(
Everyone loves Mastadons but you cannot lose to them. Period.
PFW 82 DPU 74. FINAL.
Not even OT or a buzzer beater. Maybe PFW is a decent team but the optics are bad.
DePaul screwed the Big East by losing to The Mastodons .
MASTADONS WIN. MASTADONS WIN.
Really nothing to do with this DPU loss; is there a point that DePaul leaves the BE? There has to be a certain breaking point, 20 or 30 more years at the current level of play?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 07, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
Really nothing to do with this DPU loss; is there a point that DePaul leaves the BE? There has to be a certain breaking point, 20 or 30 more years at the current level of play?
Swap them out for Loyola
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on November 07, 2023, 11:02:40 PM
Swap them out for Loyola
100% even if Loyola was another doormat at least we took a chance as opposed to this crap
That's what happens when the coach calls out "Blue Blue Blue!" but the team only executes "Blue Blue."
Stubblefield blames this on DePaul players? "I'm not blaming nobody on this team."
Official attendance was 931. Obviously the on the floor results bad for league, but not even getting a thousand paid customers for your home opener is bad for the league, too.
931 ?? Seriously?
Do they not have ANY season ticket holders ? They are beyond a farce.
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
Leitao was doing a good job by DePaul standards, had a couple NBA players , had a 7 win conference year, got them to 12-1 non—con another year before they collapses etc
I think when they made the change they would have been better off going with a young up and comer
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
931 ?? Seriously?
Do they not have ANY season ticket holders ? They are beyond a farce.
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
I double-checked and saw that # in two different places, the 2nd time on the official DePaul SID box score.
Buddy who's a UL fan, considering doing a UL - DU, MU - ND DH in December, guessing it would cheaper to sit in a suite or a dozen rows up at halfcourt for UL - DU than it will be to get in the building for MU - ND.
For reference, the NAIA volleyball match I did PA for last weekend drew 550.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
Leitao was doing a good job by DePaul standards, had a couple NBA players , had a 7 win conference year, got them to 12-1 non—con another year before they collapses etc
I think when they made the change they would have been better off going with a young up and comer
Where does DePaul spend their money since it is clearly not invested into men's basketball?
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
Sleeping giant!
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
931 ?? Seriously?
Do they not have ANY season ticket holders ? They are beyond a farce.
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
Honestly, the Chicago market and the fact that kicking out a member is a nuclear level move. The only time i can remember this happening in my lifetime is when the BEast kicked Temple out and they were a football only member. I vaguely recall a mid major school being kicked out of their conference for NCAA violations in like the 70s. I'm not sure if there are any other examples
Maybe the Big East kicking them out would be a precedent setting move? I mean the schools themselves kick students out for not performing to standards, jobs have PIP programs and will fire you for not performing to standards, why should this be any different?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 08, 2023, 10:05:34 AM
Maybe the Big East kicking them out would be a precedent setting move? I mean the schools themselves kick students out for not performing to standards, jobs have PIP programs and will fire you for not performing to standards, why should this be any different?
I love the idea of a conference putting a team on a PIP. Publicly, preferably.
I've been saying college basketball needs a relegation system for a while. DePaul needs to be relegated to the A-10.
TAMU's mention of the Chicago market is, to me, front and center although I think of it more as the potential Chicago market for college bball. With less than 1,000 in attendance last night, how many people will watch the DP aired games this season?
If the reports of Coach Blue Blue's pay are accurate, DP was unwilling to pony up for a coach who could turn things around. Their lack of commitment to men's bball over quite a long period of time, their unwillingness to fire their former AD, etc. leaves little reason for hope.
I get that booting them out would be a huge deal, and also unlikely, but if we brought in Gonzaga and kicked out DP, we would still have the round robin format at least for a while. Not gonna happen, but I can dream about it, right?
Put them on a relegation program like international soccer
I love this talk. Its dumb. Let Depaul burn money and loss to everyone. Who cares.
Unless you can 1 for 1 swap with Gonzaga it is better to just keep a school in chicago with a large alumni base than it is to do anything else.
All the A10 schools are terrible options that add nothing unless one of their public schools gets really good.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 08, 2023, 09:34:57 AM
Where does DePaul spend their money since it is clearly not invested into men's basketball?
Women's sports- DePaul spends nearly an equal amount of money on men's and women's sports due to a equity initiative.
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
931 ?? Seriously?
Do they not have ANY season ticket holders ? They are beyond a farce.
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
Imagine what kind of masochist one would have to be to be a DePaul MBB season ticket holder.
931 is especially troubling because DePaul has been called out as having repeatedly inflated their attendance figures over the years. It may have been worse.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 08, 2023, 11:22:45 AM
I love this talk. Its dumb. Let Depaul burn money and loss to everyone. Who cares.
Unless you can 1 for 1 swap with Gonzaga it is better to just keep a school in chicago with a large alumni base than it is to do anything else.
All the A10 schools are terrible options that add nothing unless one of their public schools gets really good.
Agreed.
And we get an extra "home" game every year for all Chicago alums.
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
931 ?? Seriously?
Do they not have ANY season ticket holders ? They are beyond a farce.
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
What is the argument for kicking them out of the BE??
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 08, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
What is the argument for kicking them out of the BE??
Fair question. I am unaware of any requirements of the BE that they have violated. However, I would argue that they have failed to make a bona fide effort to develop their bball program for quite some time. But that's just my opinion.
It's just some of us scoopers venting our displeasure with a BE member that doesn't seem to give a rat's ass that they are perennial cellar dwellers. DP is here to stay.
DePaul only potentially hurts the BE if they are a Q4 game 2x (or, God forbid, 3x) a year for the rest of the league.
Of course, there are always two solutions to that: don't be a BE bubble team, and #DLTD
The BE will never kick out DP. But, I honestly wonder if DP ever resigns from the BE. I'm talking long term failure of 30 or 40 years with no real fans left and the economics catching up to them.
Saw a DePaul alum on Reddit saying they could hire calipari because he's friends with the AD and he's made enough money that it wouldn't be the main motivator.
If that ever happened we will have truly hit the darkest timeline
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 08, 2023, 01:38:38 PM
The BE will never kick out DP. But, I honestly wonder if DP ever resigns from the BE. I'm talking long term failure of 30 or 40 years with no real fans left and the economics catching up to them.
Not as long as they're cashing revenue sharing checks.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 08, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
Saw a DePaul alum on Reddit saying they could hire caliphate because he's friends with the AD and he's made enough money that it wouldn't be the main motivator.
If that ever happened we will have truly hit the darkest timeline
I assume you mean Calipari and not caliphate.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 01:42:16 PM
Not as long as they're cashing revenue sharing checks.
I understand, but does the FOX money carry the full cost of being a BE member? I assume they have to get some level of ticket sales and local media to round out the budget.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 08, 2023, 12:21:14 PM
Fair question. I am unaware of any requirements of the BE that they have violated. However, I would argue that they have failed to make a bona fide effort to develop their bball program for quite some time. But that's just my opinion.
It's just some of us scoopers venting our displeasure with a BE member that doesn't seem to give a rat's ass that they are perennial cellar dwellers. DP is here to stay.
No, I understand completely.
I don't have any idea how the BE Bylaws read, but I would be shocked if expulsion could be based on anything short of "just cause." ( which I doubt would include sucking perpetually). Second, I doubt that the BE would want to be a trendsetter and start kicking people out, even if they could. Not a good loo.
I think we're stuck with the Blue Demons.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2023, 01:45:35 PM
I assume you mean Calipari and not caliphate.
Haha that's a fantastic auto correct and yes.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 08, 2023, 01:46:02 PM
I understand, but does the FOX money carry the full cost of being a BE member? I assume they have to get some level of ticket sales and local media to round out the budget.
Not sure, TAMU, Brew, or Sultan can probably get me that answer.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 08, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
Saw a DePaul alum on Reddit saying they could hire calipari because he's friends with the AD and he's made enough money that it wouldn't be the main motivator.
If that ever happened we will have truly hit the darkest timeline
Better off targeting a Chicago legend like Ditka.
Ozzie Guillen is available. Pat Fitzgerald needs a gig.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 08, 2023, 09:34:57 AM
Where does DePaul spend their money since it is clearly not invested into men's basketball?
Womens Basketball?
Academics.
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
At this point what is the argument for keeping them in the BE ?
They did not hire Wojo.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2023, 02:11:00 PM
Ozzie Guillen is available. Pat Fitzgerald needs a gig.
David Ross is recently unemployed, too.
If DePaul hires mini-Ditka, MU should move to the A10 ASAP.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 08, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
They did not hire Wojo.
The bar is set so low that Wojo would be a massive upgrade.
Quote from: Miss Katie's on November 08, 2023, 03:29:47 PM
David Ross is recently unemployed, too.
How about Bob Ross?
How about Betsy Ross?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 07, 2023, 10:04:00 PM
Everyone loves Mastadons but you cannot lose to them. Period.
Oh yeah, they were supposedly very tasty.
Next home game for DePaul: Saturday vs. Long Beach State, a 9:00 pm tip-off at Wintrust.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 08, 2023, 09:53:31 PM
Next home game for DePaul: Saturday vs. Long Beach State, a 9:00 pm tip-off at Wintrust.
LBSU may have more fans there...
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 08, 2023, 06:06:54 PM
Oh yeah, they were supposedly very tasty.
That's no joke...
https://cgab.yale.edu/projects/ancient-dna/was-frozen-mammoth-or-giant-ground-sloth-served-dinner-explorers-club-past#:~:text=Famously%2C%20members%20of%20The%20Explorers,Alaska%2C%20USA%2C%20in%201951.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 08, 2023, 10:31:36 PM
That's no joke...
https://cgab.yale.edu/projects/ancient-dna/was-frozen-mammoth-or-giant-ground-sloth-served-dinner-explorers-club-past#:~:text=Famously%2C%20members%20of%20The%20Explorers,Alaska%2C%20USA%2C%20in%201951.
Who was joking?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 08, 2023, 09:53:31 PM
Next home game for DePaul: Saturday vs. Long Beach State, a 9:00 pm tip-off at Wintrust.
Why in the world are they playing a 9 p.m. home game? This topic just won't die.
Quote from: Eye on November 09, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
Why in the world are they playing a 9 p.m. home game? This topic just won't die.
Maybe hoping a show will sell out at Reggie's and they'll get the spillover crowd.
Quote from: Eye on November 09, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
Why in the world are they playing a 9 p.m. home game? This topic just won't die.
Obviously catering to 98% of the viewers(Long Beach) with a 7PT start.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 09, 2023, 11:21:21 AM
Obviously catering to 98% of the viewers(Long Beach) with a 7PT start.
Saturday night television in Los Angeles, you make the call:
Football:
USC vs. #6 Oregon (FOX)
Basketball:
Long Beach St. at DePaul (FS2)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 09, 2023, 09:15:45 AM
Maybe hoping a show will sell out at Reggie's and they'll get the spillover crowd.
LOLLL
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 09, 2023, 09:15:45 AM
Maybe hoping a show will sell out at Reggie's and they'll get the spillover crowd.
This wins.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 09, 2023, 02:11:39 PM
Saturday night television in Los Angeles, you make the call:
Football:
USC vs. #6 Oregon (FOX)
Basketball:
Long Beach St. at DePaul (FS2)
Who score more points Oregon or DePaul? Seriously.
Quote from: Eye on November 09, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
Why in the world are they playing a 9 p.m. home game? This topic just won't die.
Sometimes, there's a simple answer. Take a look at the FS2 schedule for Saturday:
https://www.tvinsider.com/network/fox-sports-2/schedule/ (https://www.tvinsider.com/network/fox-sports-2/schedule/)
FS2 has a sextuple-header, with Big East games at Noon, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 Eastern. A solid 12-hour block is good for the conference. And ratings wise, the afternoon games are the top draws, hence UConn and Creighton go first.
Noon: UConn
2pm is Creighton
4pm is Seton Hall
6pm is Providence
8pm is Georgetown
10pm is DePaul
Someone had to go last, and DePaul is the only midwest team left. It would make even less sense to have Georgetown with a 10PM local start.
VMI up 32-16 on Christendom with 4:47 left in the first half
Christendom should be in the Big East before VCU, imo
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2023, 06:32:21 PM
VMI up 32-16 on Christendom with 4:47 left in the first half
Christendom should be in the Big East before VCU, imo
Do you smell burnt toast?
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on November 09, 2023, 07:42:12 PM
Do you smell burnt toast?
Christendom down 34 in the final minutes. Christendom hasn't taken a beating like this since Saladin retook Jerusalem
Took a worse beat from VMI 4 years ago. Historically bad.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2023, 07:46:38 PM
Christendom down 34 in the final minutes. Christendom hasn't taken a beating like this since Saladin retook Jerusalem
I like it!
I can't believe I didn't know the WAC/CUSA Challenge was going on. :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 09, 2023, 08:05:19 PM
I can't believe I didn't know the WAC/CUSA Challenge was going on. :o
What is the challenge, keeping fans awake??
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 09, 2023, 11:18:03 PM
What is the challenge, keeping fans awake??
Actually the Challenge is if you can name 50% of the schools in the WAC and CUSA you win free tacos.
UW-M plays at Providence tonight.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on November 10, 2023, 11:34:22 AM
UW-M plays at Providence tonight.
I'm curious to see how the Panthers do here.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on November 10, 2023, 11:34:22 AM
UW-M plays at Providence tonight.
Think that's tomorrow? Anyway, nice to see one Big East school unafraid of Milwaukee
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2023, 02:15:32 PM
Think that's tomorrow? Anyway, nice to see one Big East school unafraid of Milwaukee
ZING!!!! ;D
X comfortably ahead of Jacksonville
Butler solid win over Southeast Missouri State . Posh Alexander seems to have acclimated well to The Bulldogs
Quote from: Eye on November 09, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
Why in the world are they playing a 9 p.m. home game? This topic just won't die.
Before you know it, other P6 teams are going to be calling DePaul to schedule buy games.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
Butler solid win over Southeast Missouri State . Posh Alexander seems to have acclimated well to The Bulldogs
Anytime you win at home over KenPom number 321, it's solid
Nova with a solid start to their season notching second win over LeMoyne. It is helpful to the cause when the league wins cupcakes. Cant have any more Mastodon debacles .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2023, 07:56:39 AM
Nova with a solid start to their season notching second win over LeMoyne. It is helpful to the cause when the league wins cupcakes. Cant have any more Mastodon debacles .
LeMoyne is one of the worst teams in the nation, could be the worst in all of America. They shouldn't be on the schedule and having them on the schedule hurts the Big East cause
In fact, Nova's first two games are an embarrassment to the Big East
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
Butler solid win over Southeast Missouri State . Posh Alexander seems to have acclimated well to The Bulldogs
True frosh Boden Kapke (Holy Family HS, my AAU team's practice spot; Victoria mn) with 11 & 6 in 14 for Butler
U Conn crushes Stonehill.Big wins help The Big East Cause
::)
Isaac Traudt was a nice catch for Creighton on the transfer portal. Seems to have an ability to shoot from distance . McDermott does well with Bigs who can fill it up from distance .
Two things, Herman?
1. Who doesn't?
2. How many 6'10 players who shoot from distance has he had?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2023, 01:45:49 PM
Isaac Traudt was a nice catch for Creighton on the transfer portal. Seems to have an ability to shoot from distance . McDermott does well with 6-10 guys who can fill it up from distance .
He seemed like a good fit coming out of high school, but I guess he wanted to see if the grass was greener in Virginia.
Creighton is extremely dangerous.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Two things, Herman?
1. Who doesn't?
2. How many 6'10 players who shoot from distance has he had?
Herman is dead, you do know....
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2023, 01:33:15 PM
U Conn crushes Stonehill.Big wins help The Big East Cause
Playing a team as bad as Stonehill does the opposite
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Two things, Herman?
1. Who doesn't?
2. How many 6'10 players who shoot from distance has he had?
I was thinking Ethan Wragge , Toby Hegner and Martin Krampelj in particular . I just checked and Wragge was listed at 6-7 and Krampelj was 6-9 both seemed to play bigger . Modification noted on original post
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 11, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
Creighton is extremely dangerous.
Yes. May as well give up.
The sight lines in the Seton Hall high school gym must be atrocious, since SHU and FDU are shooting 3's like a scoop pick up game.
FS2 for those that bored.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2023, 03:40:42 PM
The sight lines in the Seton Hall high school gym must be atrocious, since SHU and FDU are shooting 3's like a scoop pick up game.
FS2 for those that bored.
Speak for yourself man. I can knock 'em down (as long as I'm standing still and don't have to move).
Blue Jays swarm a solid NDSU Bison squad. Win by 29 and move to 3-0.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2023, 03:40:42 PM
The sight lines in the Seton Hall high school gym must be atrocious, since SHU and FDU are shooting 3's like a scoop pick up game.
FS2 for those that bored.
The Hall wins the 3 point shoot out.
Sometimes I think The Hall would be better off scheduling a local cupcake game like this as a road game , rather than playing in Walsh Gymnasium.
Providence sticking it to UW-Milwaukee right now on FS2.
Holy Cross and Georgetown is competitive at halftime.
Announcer: ....when you switch one through five, you will get rebounding mismatches...
Holy Cross only down 2 points vs G-Town with 3 minutes left.
They are shooting the Georgetown/Holy Cross game from very tight angle. You can't even see both baselines in the TV shot. Seems like they're trying to hide the crowd.
EDIT: Seems odd because when you see shots from other angles, the crowd really doesn't look that bad.
Wow Georgetown has a terrible schedule. 7 buy games
Feel bad for the Holy Cross kid who fired up the shot when he clearly should not have. Ouch.
Georgetown with a solid loss to Holy Cross.
Though Holy Cross has a Holy Crap brain melt down the stretch.
That was a terrible final play. Get someone running toward the hoop so you can at least get a decent half-court look at minimum.
Overall should be a really good season for BE.
DePaul and Georgetown showing they are gonna continue being who they are, trash.
Terrible loss. Cooley has some some work to do. DePaul has some competition for the bottom of the conference. GT is gunning for them.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 11, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Terrible loss. Cooley has some some work to do. DePaul has some competition for the bottom of the conference. GT is gunning for them.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
I always liked Ed Cooley at Providence. Not so sure I'm going to be a big fan at Georgetown .
Cooley to go completely bold.
Just saw a wide crowd shot of the DePaul game at Wintrust Arena. Looks like a UW-Milwaukee home game.
This DePaul game is F'ing embarrassing.
I enjoyed Cooley at Georgetown. Now that he is at Georgetown my sincere desire is to see that dumpster fire continue to burn.
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
At this rate, it won't be long before DePaul becomes a buy game for other P6 teams.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
They called all 5 of their timeouts in the 1st 14 minutes of the game. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 11, 2023, 09:48:09 PM
They called all 5 of their timeouts in the 1st 14 minutes of the game. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
You must have missed the Mike Deane era.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
I think in the mid-1990s when DePaul chitcanned Joey Meyer after a good but not spectacular career there, the Meyer family put a hex on the program and all succeeding coaches.
Kind of like the dude from The Billy Goat who put a 70 year whammy on the Cubs because his goat couldn't get into Wrigley for the '45 World Series.
DePaul screwed the Big East royally tonight
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
They are shooting the Georgetown/Holy Cross game from very tight angle. You can't even see both baselines in the TV shot. Seems like they're trying to hide the crowd.
EDIT: Seems odd because when you see shots from other angles, the crowd really doesn't look that bad.
7,621, but that's just 37 percent capacity. Last year's second home game drew 4,583.
BTW, DePaul could have really used a timeout down the stretch. By the looks of it on FS2, official attendance at Wintrust was in the three digits again.
There might be 8,000 Marquette fans at the DePaul game this year. Will be an embarrassing look for them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 11, 2023, 11:24:50 PM
There might be 8,000 Marquette fans at the DePaul game this year. Will be an embarrassing look for them.
DePaul announced before the game that they were giving hats away to all fans "while supplies last".
There may be some left to give away when Marquette plays them on January 24.
Serious question - is there a process to kick a conference member out? At this rate DePaul is going to represent a potential Q4 road loss om the BE schedule.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2023, 02:41:34 PM
I was thinking Ethan Wragge , Toby Hegner and Martin Krampelj in particular . I just checked and Wragge was listed at 6-7 and Krampelj was 6-9 both seemed to play bigger . Modification noted on original post
Also: Kenny Lawson, Will Artino, Justin Patton, Manny Suarez, Jacob Epperson, Sam Froling, and Ryan Kalkbrenner.
Quote from: JayPak on November 12, 2023, 12:34:36 AM
Also: Kenny Lawson, Will Artino, Justin Patton, Manny Suarez, Jacob Epperson, Sam Froling, and Ryan Kalkbrenner.
I don't think you understood the criteria
Lawson was 6'9"
Artino had 0 career 3PM
Patton had 8 career 3PM
Suarez had 5 3PM as a Bluejay
Epperson had 7 career 3PM
Kalkbrenner has 9 career 3PM so far
None of these guys were 6'10" and sharpshooters from three.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 11, 2023, 11:18:21 PM
7,621, but that's just 37 percent capacity. Last year's second home game drew 4,583.
BTW, DePaul could have really used a timeout down the stretch. By the looks of it on FS2, official attendance at Wintrust was in the three digits again.
I saw the student section shots from Bobby Bancroft and it looked like a good turnout. Clearly Ed doesn't have it where he wants it, but he does seem to be injecting some energy back into the fanbase. Ultimately he'll have to win games to keep and grow what he has, but it's a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 11, 2023, 10:42:08 PM
I think in the mid-1990s when DePaul chitcanned Joey Meyer after a good but not spectacular career there, the Meyer family put a hex on the program and all succeeding coaches.
Kind of like the dude from The Billy Goat who put a 70 year whammy on the Cubs because his goat couldn't get into Wrigley for the '45 World Series.
So what you're saying is DePaul need to play Cleveland in the World Series to break the curse?
Maybe they should schedule CSU and see if that does the trick. I'm sure CSU would gladly accept their money, travel to Chicago, and leave town with a W.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 11, 2023, 11:56:07 PM
DePaul announced before the game that they were giving hats away to all fans "while supplies last".
There may be some left to give away when Marquette plays them on January 24.
DePaul Marketing Strategies outlined in this article. Apparently fans from other programs ( wondering if that was MU)commented on the details and the article was corrected at the end lol
https://depauliaonline.com/67068/sports/depaul-athletics-looks-to-boost-student-attendance-at-wintrust/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 12, 2023, 11:03:06 AM
DePaul Marketing Strategies outlined in this article. Apparently fans from other programs ( wondering if that was MU)commented on the details and the article was corrected at the end lol
https://depauliaonline.com/67068/sports/depaul-athletics-looks-to-boost-student-attendance-at-wintrust/
Classic "lipstick on a pig".
Looking to start 0 - 3 ... Duh Paul hosts
S. Dakota on Tues. What do we think the attendance will be ? 500 ?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
You're totally missing the point. It's not about winning or losing, it's about losing the RIGHT way.
How has DePaul been so bad for so long? I almost want them to be good for another good Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. How have they continuously flopped on their coaching hires?
Crusaders rule! Cooley loses to a Patriot league team.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on November 12, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
How has DePaul been so bad for so long? I almost want them to be good for another good Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. How have they continuously flopped on their coaching hires?
I think they hire guys on the wrong side of 50. Wainwright, Purnell, Leitao were all mid to late 50s, Stubblefield was over 50. Coaches can still be effective then, but by and large if you haven't broken through big by then you probably won't. And I think most of those guys knew that was going to be their last prominent stop.
DePaul needs their own Crean. A young, motivated program builder. Still can't believe they turned down Scheyer. Not sure he'd have had similar success there, but that's the kind of hire they need.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 12, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
I think they hire guys on the wrong side of 50. Wainwright, Purnell, Leitao were all mid to late 50s, Stubblefield was over 50. Coaches can still be effective then, but by and large if you haven't broken through big by then you probably won't. And I think most of those guys knew that was going to be their last prominent stop.
DePaul needs their own Crean. A young, motivated program builder. Still can't believe they turned down Scheyer. Not sure he'd have had similar success there, but that's the kind of hire they need.
The more success Scheyer had, the quicker he would have left. A Kevin Willard would do nicely. A Sweet 12 year run before moving on. Where was Willard from? Iona? Why didn't DePaul just go after Iona's coach?
Can't worry about if a guy might leave after 4 or 6 or 8 years. Get a good coach in, let him stop the bleeding, and go from there.
Think about MU's most important (and most successful) coaches post-Al and pre-Shaka -- K.O., Crean, Buzz. The reason they were able to leave after X years was because they were successful. If K.O. had flamed out, nobody would have wanted to steal him from us.
I agree DePaul needs the next K.O. or Crean type.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on November 12, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
How has DePaul been so bad for so long? I almost want them to be good for another good Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. How have they continuously flopped on their coaching hires?
remember those DePaul teams with players such as Strickland, Aguirre, Cummings? Ray Meyer for sure, but Joey Meyer too had some teams! A good DeP team combined with the Chicago market makes the BE better!
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on November 12, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
How has DePaul been so bad for so long? I almost want them to be good for another good Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. How have they continuously flopped on their coaching hires?
The previous athletic director was AD at DePaul for 18 years and apparently ran the department like a family business (including hiring relatives as coaches) which may have steered better coaching candidates elsewhere. Over and above personalities, DePaul has seemingly lost a relationship with the Chicago Public League that brought so many players to DePaul in the Meyer years.
https://depauliaonline.com/49013/sports/depaul-athletics-reflects-on-jean-lenti-ponsettos-retirement/
Quote from: Viper on November 12, 2023, 07:35:55 PM
remember those DePaul teams with players such as Strickland, Aguirre, Cummings? Ray Meyer for sure, but Joey Meyer too had some teams! A good DeP team combined with the Chicago market makes the BE better!
It's better for the big east but a good DePaul does nothing good for MU. Would rather have them be a bottom feeder though would at least like them as Q3 game. Even just playing them hurts the resume.
Quote from: Viper on November 12, 2023, 07:35:55 PM
remember those DePaul teams with players such as Strickland, Aguirre, Cummings? Ray Meyer for sure, but Joey Meyer too had some teams! A good DeP team combined with the Chicago market makes the BE better!
Idk. They've been so bad for so long that I don't think it matters anymore. Unless that success is sustained, it wouldn't be viewed any different than Loyola's run a couple years ago.
Careful. You are going wake all the sleeping scoopers who are going to come out and call DePaul a sleeping giant.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on November 12, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
How has DePaul been so bad for so long? I almost want them to be good for another good Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. How have they continuously flopped on their coaching hires?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 12, 2023, 07:51:17 PM
The previous athletic director was AD at DePaul for 18 years and apparently ran the department like a family business (including hiring relatives as coaches) which may have steered better coaching candidates elsewhere. Over and above personalities, DePaul has seemingly lost a relationship with the Chicago Public League that brought so many players to DePaul in the Meyer years.
https://depauliaonline.com/49013/sports/depaul-athletics-reflects-on-jean-lenti-ponsettos-retirement/
CPS doesn't corner the market on top Chicago players much anymore. Players end up at a catholic school like Fenwick or move to the suburbs for "safety" (proviso east), or they head to a prep school. Gone are the days of King or Simeon running out 8 players with D1 offers.
4 games tonight
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1584715#msg1584715
New DePaul promo. Free Shake Shack if the opposition wins by a dozen or less!
according to my scoop header, we are playing rider again tomorrow-home & home?
Nimari Burnett of Michigan 21 points at the half versus The Johnnies. Wolverines up 48-38. Johnnies have room for improvement on defense .
I see Nova is down 2 to Penn? WTF?
Pitino getting boat raced......60-43 with 14:30 left in game.
Quote from: MuMark on November 13, 2023, 06:53:14 PM
Pitino getting boat raced......60-43 with 14:30 left in game.
Isn't that what got him in trouble at Louisville? 👀
Purdue -17.5 vs. Xavier. Ouch.
Dylan Addae-Wusu, Andre Curbelo, Posh Alexander, David Jones, and O'Mar Stanley would be the best 5 defenders on this St. John's team.
Michigan is good.
Quote from: MuMark on November 13, 2023, 06:53:14 PM
Pitino getting boat raced......60-43 with 14:30 left in game.
I mean... Apparently Shaka did too in a secret scrimmage.
Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2023, 07:09:21 PM
Purdue -17.5 vs. Xavier. Ouch.
What were their spreads vs FDU and the 🦚 🦚 🦚 🦚?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 13, 2023, 07:24:58 PM
I mean... Apparently Shaka did too in a secret scrimmage.
That handful of points. (I know they were down 21 and then cut it back)
Kyle Neptune is bad.
Jordan Longino is 3rd in Minutes.
After bringing in Hakim Hart and TJ Bamba. What is he doing?
Quote from: jfp61 on November 13, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Kyle Neptune is bad.
Jordan Longino is 3rd in Minutes.
After bringing in Hakim Hart and TJ Bamba. What is he doing?
The BEast is in good shape but losing Jay Wright still hurts a lot.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 13, 2023, 07:27:22 PM
That handful of points. (I know they were down 21 and then cut it back)
I'm actually not one to put too much weight on scrimmages, but if we presume Marquette is pretty good, then it stands to reason Michigan is too.
Michigan is definitely good. Still wonder how much Shaka played the main guys.
I just heard the announcers say Xavier's Ciana played professionally in Europe. Is that allowed?
St. Johns SMACKED by Michigan
Villanova loses to Penn.
Purdue about to take control against Xavier.
Butler gets the league's only win of the night against ETSU.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 13, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
St. Johns SMACKED by Michigan
Villanova loses to Penn.
Purdue about to take control against Xavier.
Butler gets the league's only win of the night against ETSU.
Good
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 13, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
St. Johns SMACKED by Michigan
Villanova loses to Penn.
Purdue about to take control against Xavier.
Butler gets the league's only win of the night against ETSU.
Not good GE. Not good at all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 13, 2023, 08:18:47 PM
Not good GE. Not good at all.
Maybe Rider can win at Nebraska for us.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 13, 2023, 08:20:11 PM
Maybe Rider can win at Nebraska for us.
Maybe the league will disband
Big East being annexed.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 13, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
St. Johns SMACKED by Michigan
Villanova loses to Penn.
Purdue about to take control against Xavier.
Butler gets the league's only win of the night against ETSU.
Butler has done very well against their Cupcakes. Nice to see them feasting.
Kyle Neptune screwed the Big East .
I'm a proponent of annexation when civilization is at stake but open to a rational discussion. The BEast is not the problem.
#NovaStrong
Well, at least we have 3 great teams!
X is not marking the spot. We must attack tomorrow.
I don't want to play Purdue. No place. No time.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 13, 2023, 09:25:14 PM
I don't want to play Purdue. No place. No time.
Edey is unstoppable - they never call fouls on him and he puts his shoulder into anyone near him
Considering X is playing on the road ,at a very tough Purdue venue, they performed reasonably well given all the new untested players they have .
Good to see slick Rick lose. Nova losing to Penn?? That's why they play the games eh
I read a lot of positive things about both Nova and StJ coming into this season, many were very high on them.
I mean 5 years to judge and all but I think Neptune might have a hard time over there, so I'm not quite sure Nova will have as good of a year as projected.
As for StJ, the Pitino effect could be real but it'll take time with all those newbies.
Still think both teams could be borderline tourney bubble teams.
Good thing for Marquettes sake this season is that the schedule is so loaded I don't think we need to worry about overall conference success as much as usual.
It always helps the metrics, and these out of conference losses stink on that end, but MU should be so good that it'll take care of itself hopefully.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 13, 2023, 10:26:19 PM
I read a lot of positive things about both Nova and StJ coming into this season, many were very high on them.
I mean 5 years to judge and all but I think Neptune might have a hard time over there, so I'm not quite sure Nova will have as good of a year as projected.
As for StJ, the Pitino effect could be real but it'll take time with all those newbies.
Still think both teams could be borderline tourney bubble teams.
Good thing for Marquettes sake this season is that the schedule is so loaded I don't think we need to worry about overall conference success as much as usual.
It always helps the metrics, and these out of conference losses stink on that end, but MU should be so good that it'll take care of itself hopefully.
Would not bd suprised if the Johnnies suck in the noncon then surprise teams in the conf season. I can think of mutliple seasons in the BE where Looeyvillle played below expectations during the noncon, screwed the BE noncon strength, then played above expectations during the conf season.
Quite annoying.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on November 13, 2023, 10:32:22 PM
Would not bd suprised if the Johnnies suck in the noncon then surprise teams in the conf season. I can think of mutliple seasons in the BE where Looeyvillle played below expectations during the noncon, screwed the BE noncon strength, then played above expectations during the conf season.
Quite annoying.
Yea maybe, but good defense only goes so far, and you've got to be able to put the ball in the basket against teams like Creighton, Marquette, UConn etc.
Rick has always been one of the best defensive minded coaches in all of basketball.
That alone plus some of the talent he's amassed will keep them afloat.
Just like their next door neighbors to the west over at SH, they will realize that elite defense, if Pitino can get this group to buy into that, won't be enough.
They are also one Soriano issue away from being in big trouble.
I just feel like 5-8 range is much more plausible than any top 3/4ish talk, and I love Pitino.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 13, 2023, 11:14:18 PM
Yea maybe, but good defense only goes so far, and you've got to be able to put the ball in the basket against teams like Creighton, Marquette, UConn etc.
Rick has always been one of the best defensive minded coaches in all of basketball.
That alone plus some of the talent he's amassed will keep them afloat.
Just like their next door neighbors to the west over at SH, they will realize that elite defense, if Pitino can get this group to buy into that, won't be enough.
They are also one Soriano issue away from being in big trouble.
I just feel like 5-8 range is much more plausible than any top 3/4ish talk, and I love Pitino.
Agreed. He also has a ton of mercenaries instead of a traditional team that he is used to. In a year or two it'll be much different... but how long will he keep coaching?
I was impressed by X last night. They are even smaller than we are up front but they held their own and kept the game competitive. I shouldn't be surprised but Miller will have this team right there In tourney contention.
When you're playing Edey it's better to sell out on the perimeter and deny passing lanes than to try and guard him in the post. I don't care who you throw at him, it's over when he touches it on the block.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2023, 06:24:20 AM
Agreed. He also has a ton of mercenaries instead of a traditional team that he is used to. In a year or two it'll be much different... but how long will he keep coaching?
Right- if the Johnnies don't play hard for each other, they're not going as far as they otherwise could.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
DePaul paid for this. I mean, this is some masochistic s*** to give someone money to come into your house and do this to you.
It's the epitome of brutal
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2023, 11:36:02 AM
It's the epitome of brutality
FIFY
Gotta get your Rothsteinisms right
Providence off to a hot start.
Friars 21-9 over UW with 12 minutes to play 1st half.
Oh........what do we have here going on in Providence? What a pleasant surprise to gear up for the MU game!!
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 14, 2023, 06:33:01 PM
Oh........what do we have here going on in Providence? What a pleasant surprise to gear up for the MU game!!
The Bucky we all know and love has returned. Get ready for another cheap shot from Wahl.
Nah, the Worriers will still be here.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 14, 2023, 06:50:09 PM
The Bucky we all know and love has returned. Get ready for another cheap shot from Wahl.
Please let us know when Madison will "always get it done" tonight. Thanks!
Would love to see The Blue Jays pull out the victory over The Hawkeyes. Tied at half.
Creighton up 9 with 12 left. They are going to be very tough
DePaul won. That's good news.
Creighton excellent win over Iowa
Pretty good night for the BEast.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2023, 11:00:55 PM
Creighton excellent win over Iowa
There was not an ounce of defense in this game. Aggressive over...and still hit it
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 14, 2023, 11:10:14 PM
Pretty good night for the BEast.
https://www.thegazette.com/iowa-basketball/creighton-bluejays-break-halftime-stalemate-pull-away-from-iowa-for-92-84-win/#
Don't know what to make of the Gavitt Game pasting that Providence layed on a lesser opponent.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1724620314326253718?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
NY media gives no quarter ...
https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/sports/st-johns-handed-ugly-loss-by-michigan-in-rick-pitinos-msg-debut/amp/
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 14, 2023, 11:26:01 PM
There was not an ounce of defense in this game. Aggressive over...and still hit it
Outside of Kalkbrenner, defense appears to be optional for Creighton this year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 15, 2023, 10:02:58 AM
NY media gives no quarter ...
https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/sports/st-johns-handed-ugly-loss-by-michigan-in-rick-pitinos-msg-debut/amp/
Nice comments by Pitino.
He's obviously a brilliant basketball mind. Gives credit where it's due and puts his guys to task, doesn't dodge the issues he saw or make excuses.
If he doesn't lose the locker room and his guys buy in, he should be able to right the ship enough to battle for a tourney bid.
All starts with Sorianos effort and leadership for them this season.
Butler AD Collier retiring. I wonder if Butler will bump up Matta , if he has a decent season, under the theory of keeping with The Butler Way.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38851641/butler-athletic-director-barry-collier-retire-april
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 15, 2023, 06:05:29 PM
Butler AD Collier retiring. I wonder if Butler will bump up Matta , if he has a decent season, under the theory of keeping with The Butler Way.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38851641/butler-athletic-director-barry-collier-retire-april
They'll keep it in the family by hiring this former Marquette staffer.
https://butlersports.com/staff-directory/grant-leiendecker-11/591
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 15, 2023, 07:16:43 PM
They'll keep it in the family by hiring this former Marquette staffer.
https://butlersports.com/staff-directory/grant-leiendecker-11/591
Would be a great move .
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 15, 2023, 07:16:43 PM
They'll keep it in the family by hiring this former Marquette staffer.
https://butlersports.com/staff-directory/grant-leiendecker-11/591
Absolutely. It would be great if they spelled his name correctly, though.
I wish there was a button one could push to skip commercials for stuff that one already has.
I have had USAA insurance for 40 years. I don't need Gronk trying to talk me into buying it 30 times per game.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 15, 2023, 07:43:36 PM
I wish there was a button one could push to skip commercials for stuff that one already has.
I have had USAA insurance for 40 years. I don't need Gronk trying to talk me into buying it 30 times per game.
I've also had USAA for nearly 30 years. What most bugs me about Gronk's appearances in the commercials is that he is trying to get himself something that he doesn't qualify for. Maybe get The Admiral to go the commercials.
Quote from: mug644 on November 15, 2023, 08:22:38 PM
I've also had USAA for nearly 30 years. What most bugs me about Gronk's appearances in the commercials is that he is trying to get himself something that he doesn't qualify for. Maybe get The Admiral to go the commercials.
I am not even sure why they are wasting money on advertising. I am pretty sure that everyone who is eligible for USAA knows about USAA.
Quote from: mug644 on November 15, 2023, 08:22:38 PM
I've also had USAA for nearly 30 years. What most bugs me about Gronk's appearances in the commercials is that he is trying to get himself something that he doesn't qualify for. Maybe get The Admiral to go the commercials.
I mean, if they're trying to find a new audience, I don't think going with an NBA player who was never a spotlight chaser and retired 20 years ago won't really bring that in.
Looks like the Georgetown rebuild is off to kind of a slow start.
Suck town sucking. Member when they were good?
19 TOs with over 7 minutes still left in the game. Not gonna win many doing that.
Would anyone object to DePaul and Gtown being dismissed from the BEast?
The Hall slaughters Dwyane Killings Albany Great Danes
Cooley screwed The Big East with his loss tonight
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 15, 2023, 09:37:04 PM
Would anyone object to DePaul and Gtown being dismissed from the BEast?
I rather like auto punching 4 league wins per year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 15, 2023, 10:20:56 PM
I rather like auto punching 4 league wins per year.
Okay.....but should we have concerns about our NET?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 15, 2023, 09:11:44 PM
Looks like the Georgetown rebuild is off to kind of a slow start.
It's just inexperience: eight available scholarship players, five walk-ons, and three players with any significant college play under their collective belts. Mr. Ewing left an empty cupboard.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 15, 2023, 10:26:02 PM
Okay.....but should we have concerns about our NET?
Beat them by the amount we are supposed to and no, not at all.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2023, 10:35:43 PM
Beat them by the amount we are supposed to and no, not at all.
Fair enough. I sometimes worry about losing to crap teams but I suppose that's just lingering Wojo PTSD.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 15, 2023, 09:37:04 PM
Would anyone object to DePaul and Gtown being dismissed from the BEast?
DePaul and Georgetown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 15, 2023, 10:26:02 PM
Okay.....but should we have concerns about our NET?
We have the power to make Georgetown and Depaul look better. All we have to do is lose to them.
Sometimes it's nice to have a team or two to beat up on.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2023, 10:35:43 PM
Beat them by the amount we are supposed to and no, not at all.
This is correct. In the RPI era it maybe mattered, but now as long as you handle them like your cupcakes, you're fine. If you don't, you probably weren't as good as you thought you were.
To reinforce this, check this post from after we beat Georgetown by 28 on the road on Shaka's first season:
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 09:29:16 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 7,2022
New Old
8 8 Villanova
15 16 UConn
20 20 Xavier
26 26 Seton Hall
33 34 Providence
45 55 Marquette
58 65 Creighton
97 98 DePaul
105 104 St. John's
146 141 Butler
190 157 Georgetown
We jumped up because we took care of business. And honestly, having some games you can without 100% focus in a long season is probably a good thing.
I also think it helps the middle of the league. The Big 12 has a number of top-30, 40, & 50 teams that get left out because their records just aren't good enough for inclusion. If you're in that 40-50 range in the Big East and go 11-9 in league, even if it's 7-9 against the decent teams and 4 wins are against those bottom feeders, it's probably good enough whereas 7-11 or 8-10 in the Big 12 often isn't.
Here's a nice little story I just saw on Yahoo Sports:
Former Ohio State star Aaron Craft will spend the next month working at an Indianapolis hospital as he pursues his medical degree. With his family in Columbus, he's moved in with his former coach, Thad Matta, now at Butler.
Matta: "I think that's the way it's supposed to be. Because when I recruit kids I tell them, 'This is not a four-year deal, this is a lifetime deal.' ... I'll do whatever I can for those guys."
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
Here's a nice little story I just saw on Yahoo Sports:
Former Ohio State star Aaron Craft will spend the next month working at an Indianapolis hospital as he pursues his medical degree. With his family in Columbus, he's moved in with his former coach, Thad Matta, now at Butler.
Matta: "I think that's the way it's supposed to be. Because when I recruit kids I tell them, 'This is not a four-year deal, this is a lifetime deal.' ... I'll do whatever I can for those guys."
Very cool gesture on Matta's part.
Agreed on not wanting 11 of the top whatever in the league. 8 or 9 certainly fine, but want to have a Harry or two (Pitino term) to get a relative breather here and there in league play. The alternative would be the old CUSA days, where you'd play somebody good, look at the schedule and go "We play somebody good again in 3 weeks."
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 15, 2023, 09:11:44 PM
Looks like the Georgetown rebuild is off to kind of a slow start.
Ed seems to be a little stressed.
https://x.com/RutgersRivals/status/1725004880815816873?s=20
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 16, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Ed seems to be a little stressed.
https://x.com/RutgersRivals/status/1725004880815816873?s=20
Jeeze, have to wonder if he's having some second thoughts about moving programs. He could've been the all time great at Providence with very little effort.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 15, 2023, 10:33:43 PM
It's just inexperience: eight available scholarship players, five walk-ons, and three players with any significant college play under their collective belts. Mr. Ewing left an empty cupboard.
Compare this to Shaka bringing in Darryl Morsell and Kur Kuath his first year. Shaka established his culture from day one, made the tourney his first year, won the BE and BET in his second year, and has a national championship contender in his third year. Really underrated moves by Shaka that are paying longterm dividends.
It doesn't look like Cooley is changing Georgetown's culture as quickly. I think Cooley will eventually get Georgetown to the same level he had Providence, but it is going to take time. Probably 3-4 years.
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
Here's a nice little story I just saw on Yahoo Sports:
Former Ohio State star Aaron Craft will spend the next month working at an Indianapolis hospital as he pursues his medical degree. With his family in Columbus, he's moved in with his former coach, Thad Matta, now at Butler.
Matta: "I think that's the way it's supposed to be. Because when I recruit kids I tell them, 'This is not a four-year deal, this is a lifetime deal.' ... I'll do whatever I can for those guys."
Craft might be his nurse hey
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 16, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Ed seems to be a little stressed.
https://x.com/RutgersRivals/status/1725004880815816873?s=20
No context here - were there no questions? were there only a few questions asked by older reporters while college and/or younger reporters just sat there? did somebody tick off cooley by asking question he didn't consider "great"?
Context aside, though, it actually was excellent advice from Cooley.
:-Xb
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2023, 11:40:50 AM
No context here - were there no questions? were there only a few questions asked by older reporters while college and/or younger reporters just sat there? did somebody tick off cooley by asking question he didn't consider "great"?
Context aside, though, it actually was excellent advice from Cooley.
I saw a number of NYC centric reporters (Jerry Carino, Jaden Daly) support Cooley's message. They thought he was trying to help the younger journalists.
Seeing this as Ed has regrets is trying to speak your chosen narrative into existence. Ed will be just fine at Georgetown.
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2023, 11:40:50 AM
No context here - were there no questions? were there only a few questions asked by older reporters while college and/or younger reporters just sat there? did somebody tick off cooley by asking question he didn't consider "great"?
Context aside, though, it actually was excellent advice from Cooley.
Here is the actual press conference . Most of the questions were actually softball and coming from student writers . Context was Mr.Cooley was just giving advice in his blustery tone.
Mr Cooley endorsed Rutgers Coach and Fans.. Kind of interesting that One of Mr. Cooleys guards admitted to playing selfish and poorly.
https://youtu.be/B6av6gsLaUE?si=d7WwYlBhvrErio6U
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 16, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Ed seems to be a little stressed.
https://x.com/RutgersRivals/status/1725004880815816873?s=20
Thought this was totally fine, but not sure what preceded that statement.
Apparently one of Cooley's assistants flipped off the student section as well: https://twitter.com/matt_mooch/status/1724978648648740895
Quote from: BM1090 on November 16, 2023, 12:43:13 PM
Thought this was totally fine, but not sure what preceded that statement.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 16, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Here is the actual press conference . Most of the questions were actually softball and coming from student writers . Context was Mr.Cooley was just giving advice in his blustery tone.
Mr Cooley endorsed Rutgers Coach and Fans.. Kind of interesting that One of Mr. Cooleys guards admitted to playing selfish and poorly.
https://youtu.be/B6av6gsLaUE?si=d7WwYlBhvrErio6U
Reposted with link to Mr Cooley Press Conference
First real look at SJU and they look shaky vs North Texas. Can definitely see the talent if they can start to gel as the season goes on though.
Another positive is while they look pretty sloppy they are not nearly as out of control chaotic as they were every year under Anderson. Dont have to worry nearly as much about them making a game borderline unwatchable with unorganized full speed pick up ball.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 16, 2023, 02:25:44 PM
First real look at SJU and they look shaky vs North Texas. Can definitely see the talent if they can start to gel as the season goes on though.
Another positive is while they look pretty sloppy they are not nearly as out of control chaotic as they were every year under Anderson. Dont have to worry nearly as much about them making a game borderline unwatchable with unorganized full speed pick up ball.
I do miss having Andre Curbelo in the BE though.
If you have followed the Twitter rant of "Joseph" from Villanova, you will enjoy this. Watch to the end.
https://twitter.com/GmingClipz/status/1724922566253437435
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 16, 2023, 11:25:20 AM
Compare this to Shaka bringing in Darryl Morsell and Kur Kuath his first year. Shaka established his culture from day one, made the tourney his first year, won the BE and BET in his second year, and has a national championship contender in his third year. Really underrated moves by Shaka that are paying longterm dividends.
It doesn't look like Cooley is changing Georgetown's culture as quickly. I think Cooley will eventually get Georgetown to the same level he had Providence, but it is going to take time. Probably 3-4 years.
Based on ESPN's rankings, Georgetown has landed the 60th, 71st and 75Th ranked recruits in the 2024 class.
MU best recruit in this class is ranked 77th. In three years Georgetown might be better than MU.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 16, 2023, 02:52:49 PM
If you have followed the Twitter rant of "Joseph" from Villanova, you will enjoy this. Watch to the end.
https://twitter.com/GmingClipz/status/1724922566253437435
Haha, that's great. That kid has taken a beating on twitter.
Quote from: bilsu on November 16, 2023, 02:55:41 PM
Based on ESPN's rankings, Georgetown has landed the 60th, 71st and 75Th ranked recruits in the 2024 class.
MU best recruit in this class is ranked 77th. In three years Georgetown might be better than MU.
I've learned not to worry too much about recruiting rankings with Shaka as our coach. It took me one recruiting cycle, but Shaka's got an eye for talent that is a touch better than ESPN's recruiting analysts, if they even have any left on their payroll. Kolek's recruiting ranking doesn't seem to be holding him back.
I'm no Wojo fan but Justin Lewis, Oso, Kam & Stevie are pretty nice pieces to inherit. Plus the MU infrastructure is light years ahead of Georgetown. What was our lowest attendance average under Wojo? 13,000?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2023, 03:02:20 PM
I've learned not to worry too much about recruiting rankings with Shaka as our coach. It took me one recruiting cycle, but Shaka's got an eye for talent that is a touch better than ESPN's recruiting analysts, if they even have any left on their payroll. Kolek's recruiting ranking doesn't seem to be holding him back.
This. There have been as many "sure things" that have failed as "they weren't recruited heavily" that have succeeded in college basketball. Shaka recruits "the Marquette guys" that fit his system and style of play, and it works amazingly well.
Johnnies eke out a win over The Mean Green
https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/sports/joel-soriano-saves-st-johns-from-disaster-in-win-vs-north-texas/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 16, 2023, 04:04:07 PM
Johnnies eke out a win over The Mean Green
https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/sports/joel-soriano-saves-st-johns-from-disaster-in-win-vs-north-texas/
Awesome Win Saint John's! North Texas won the NIT in 2023 after eking out wins against a couple teams last year!
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2023, 03:02:20 PM
I've learned not to worry too much about recruiting rankings with Shaka as our coach. It took me one recruiting cycle, but Shaka's got an eye for talent that is a touch better than ESPN's recruiting analysts, if they even have any left on their payroll. Kolek's recruiting ranking doesn't seem to be holding him back.
excellent point mr ww! we'll let shaka's recruiting speak for itself in the rankings that matter-team rankings. shaka recruits like my wife shops for home decor. collectively, he puts together a bunch of guys that have to be the right fit=WINNING!!
12 hours of Big East hoops today and late tonight.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1586727#msg1586727
Johnnies guard blames fatigue
https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/sports/st-johns-daniss-jenkins-attributes-turnover-issue-to-fatigue/
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 17, 2023, 08:01:58 AM
12 hours of Big East hoops today and late tonight.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1586727#msg1586727
Butler at MSU should be a good game
https://fieldlevelmedia.com/ncaab/unbeaten-butler-hits-michigan-state-as-thad-matta-tom-izzo-renew-rivalry/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 17, 2023, 08:49:41 AM
Butler at MSU should be a good game
https://fieldlevelmedia.com/ncaab/unbeaten-butler-hits-michigan-state-as-thad-matta-tom-izzo-renew-rivalry/
It'd just break my heart to see MSU and Izzo go to 1-3.
Stephon Castle to miss an undisclosed amount of time for UConn after an MRI determined his injury was more serious than initially thought:
https://x.com/AmoreCourant/status/1725521080025072089?s=20
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 17, 2023, 08:57:45 AM
It'd just break my heart to see MSU and Izzo go to 1-3.
Same.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2023, 08:59:15 AM
Stephon Castle to miss an undisclosed amount of time for UConn after an MRI determined his injury was more serious than initially thought:
https://x.com/AmoreCourant/status/1725521080025072089?s=20
That's a big blow.
Dayton throttles St. John's 88-81
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2023, 08:59:15 AM
Stephon Castle to miss an undisclosed amount of time for UConn after an MRI determined his injury was more serious than initially thought:
https://x.com/AmoreCourant/status/1725521080025072089?s=20
I had heard his camp wants him to shut it down and prep for the draft
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 17, 2023, 04:16:50 PM
I had heard his camp wants him to shut it down and prep for the draft
Yep, as they should.
He was the second best player on that team from day 1.
Big loss for UConn if that comes to be.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2023, 03:42:05 PM
Dayton throttles St. John's 88-81
Oops.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/17/sports/st-johns-fades-down-stretch-in-loss-to-dayton/
MSU comfortably up against Butler early second half in East Lansing
Entertaining providence - ksu finish down the stretch here. K state is a different team with Arthur Kaluma. He's such an interesting NIL case study. Was making 140k at Creighton on a title contender squad and left for KSU for a baffling 750k. We live in a strange new world. Certainly can't blame the kid
Quote from: Carl on November 17, 2023, 07:03:19 PM
Entertaining providence - ksu finish down the stretch here. K state is a different team with Arthur Kaluma. He's such an interesting NIL case study. Was making 140k at Creighton on a title contender squad and left for KSU for a baffling 750k. We live in a strange new world. Certainly can't blame the kid
Rooting for The Friars on the last shot
Seemed like the Friars could have gotten a clean look with 9 seconds left
Friars need to recruit some shooters
Hopkins not effective on the offensive end tonight
English screwed The Big East
Wow Dual gives a Forearm Shiver to the Face.
Posted this in wrong thread earlier - PC doesn't have better players than K St, so K St likely going to win this game in OT, but encouraged English has had a better idea what to do at the end of a close game than Tang has.
Add - Wow that was an amazingly cheap shot by the PC guy This should be maybe a Flagrant 2.
Tough start to the season for the conference.
Oh well, not a tough start for our guys.
Agreed, it's easy to brush off with a "let's just take care of our own business" attitude. But the quality of wins and losses do matter at the end of the year for seeding purposes and 1 seeds statistically have better performance than 2's 3's etc. It'd be nice if our conference had a better month
Nova putting an epic whuppin' on the Terrapins.
Quote from: tower912 on November 17, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
Nova putting an epic whuppin' on the Terrapins.
We need Nova to sustain this pace the whole game and run the score up as high as possible .
Why? MU controls their own destiny.
Quote from: tower912 on November 17, 2023, 09:01:38 PM
Why? MU controls their own destiny.
Big East non-con impacts seeding later in the year, just like it does for all conferences . We want all Big East teams to romp non-con.
Washington Huskies nip X 74-71
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 17, 2023, 09:23:00 PM
Big East non-con impacts seeding later in the year, just like it does for all conferences . We want all Big East teams to romp non-con.
Just look at Gonzaga or Houston from the AAC last year
Banner time ...
DePaul covered!
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2023, 04:17:31 AM
Washington Huskies nip X 74-71
Preseason chatter is this is Washington's HC's swansong. Bad loss for X.
We're a decade into the new Big East. It has 3 national champs in a decade. I'm done cheering for the other programs to be successful. The league has established itself as one of the premier leagues in the nation.
It's time to embrace what UConn fan and old Big East schools learned decades ago, embrace hate and mock your rivals.
Im afraid this is going to be a four-bid league. The three top dogs and then one of Nova or PC.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2023, 07:35:13 AM
We're a decade into the new Big East. It has 3 national champs in a decade. I'm done cheering for the other programs to be successful. The league has established itself as one of the premier leagues in the nation.
It's time to embrace what UConn fan and old Big East schools learned decades ago, embrace hate and mock your rivals.
My brain can only handle angst and anxiety for one team. I do not care what other teams win or lose.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2023, 07:35:13 AM
We're a decade into the new Big East. It has 3 national champs in a decade. I'm done cheering for the other programs to be successful. The league has established itself as one of the premier leagues in the nation.
It's time to embrace what UConn fan and old Big East schools learned decades ago, embrace hate and mock your rivals.
'atta boy. As I've said before, sometimes a little hate...is good!
Quote from: Viper on November 18, 2023, 08:14:45 AM
'atta boy. As I've said before, sometimes a little hate...is good!
It makes the league better, imo, too, when the rivalries are real.
Root against UCONN, Creighton, Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall. Don't care much about the rest
Who you root for or care about is completely immaterial to the fact that MU is judged by the quality of its wins and losses.
So, by that standard would you not want every team in conference (that we will be playing twice) to win as many games as possible unless they are playing MU? I certainly do.
100%
Quote from: Carl on November 18, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
Who you root for or care about is completely immaterial to the fact that MU is judged by the quality of its wins and losses.
If Marquette takes care of business, it doesn't matter.
The American was barely better than the WCC last year and Houston was a consensus 1-seed and arguably the best team in the nation. The only other team in the tournament was Memphis, an 8-seed.
Doesn't matter anyway. The Big East is a basketball power conference
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 18, 2023, 07:39:52 AM
Im afraid this is going to be a four-bid league. The three top dogs and then one of Nova or PC.
That would be surprising.
(not impossible)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2023, 07:35:13 AM
We're a decade into the new Big East. It has 3 national champs in a decade. I'm done cheering for the other programs to be successful. The league has established itself as one of the premier leagues in the nation.
It's time to embrace what UConn fan and old Big East schools learned decades ago, embrace hate and mock your rivals.
Hatin' and mockin'. That's what I'm talking about.
In the real world, hating and mocking are terrible traits to develop and must be avoided. But since sports is not real life but rather the candy store of life, hating and mocking is part of the fun ( at least for me).
So how about those Cornhuskers in a big ass-whoopen of Becky tonight in Madison. Let the hatin' and mockin' begin.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 18, 2023, 10:08:02 AM
Hatin' and mockin'. That's what I'm talking about.
In the real world, hating and mocking are terrible traits to develop and must be avoided. But since sports is not real life but rather the candy store of life, hating and mocking is part of the fun ( at least for me).
So how about those Cornhuskers in a big ass-whoopen of Becky tonight in Madison. Let the hatin' and mockin' begin.
"Violence!" - Shaka Smart
Marquette Worrier club member...
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 18, 2023, 07:39:52 AM
Im afraid this is going to be a four-bid league. The three top dogs and then one of Nova or PC.
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 18, 2023, 07:41:31 AM
My brain can only handle angst and anxiety for one team. I do not care what other teams win or lose.
Yep.
Quote from: Carl on November 18, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
Who you root for or care about is completely immaterial to the fact that MU is judged by the quality of its wins and losses.
OK, but by the same token, who you root for or care about is immaterial because it won't affect the outcome of any game.
You can root for DePaul to win so it helps the league by winning, and I can root for Georgetown to win so it helps the league ... and yet even with all of our rooting, those sh!tbag teams figure to do a lot more losing than winning.
My second priority is for the Big East to win as much as possible, earn as many bids as possible, and all those teams go as deep as they can.
But Marquette winning is my first priority, and I would take a 1-bid league where we win a natty over 7 bids, 6 Sweet 16 teams, 3 in the F4, and another Big East team winning the title.
The Hall moves to 4-0 with another local cupcake win over Wagner . Will be interesting to see how The Pirates perform against high major competition next week.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
The Hall moves to 4-0 with another local cupcake win over Wagner . Will be interesting to see how The Pirates perform against high major competition next week.
My son saw an instagram post with Holloway arguing with the coach. Anybody watch the game know what that was about?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2023, 04:47:58 PM
My son saw an instagram post with Holloway arguing with the coach. Anybody watch the game know what that was about?
Holloway was mad that Wagner fouled when Hall was just dribbling the game out.
Solid win for The Hoyas over Mt St Mary Mountaineers
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
The Hall moves to 4-0 with another local cupcake win over Wagner . Will be interesting to see how The Pirates perform against high major competition next week.
Coach = emotional d bag?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 18, 2023, 05:03:08 PM
Holloway was mad that Wagner fouled when Hall was just dribbling the game out.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 18, 2023, 05:54:20 PM
Coach = emotional d bag?
Holloway was an embarrassment today. What a jackass. Wagner coach was even a former teammate and doesn't sound like they had any issues going into today. Talk about being petty.
I asked a Seton Hall buddy about Holloway and he still clearly has the favored son status. They are critical of his treatment of Copeland, and honestly even his apology came up short in my opinion, but they think he has the roster he wants and is going to start winning. If they don't, my guess is they blame NIL rather than Holloway.
From the outside, he seems like a short-tempered individual that blames his players and criticizes them instead of taking accountability himself. I don't think he'll work out long-term there, but at least for now their fanbase is still on board.
The Friars in a battle with The Georgia Bulldogs . Friars hustle and play hard but have no shooting .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 19, 2023, 12:14:45 PM
The Friars in a battle with The Georgia Bulldogs . Friars hustle and play hard but have no shooting .
Thwy have no shooting unless they play Wisky. :)
Friars in a tough battle down the stretch
Friars up 5
Solid win for The Friars . English Enterprises moves to 4-1.
Huskies Karaban with la strong first half
Friars were without Pierre and Dual today.
Quote from: MuMark on November 19, 2023, 01:09:24 PM
Friars were without Pierre and Dual today.
Dual was suspended for the punk forearm shover he threw at the end of the last game .
DePaul and Georgetown trying to outsuck one another at the moment
DePaul has crawled within 15 of San Francisco with 12:26 left in the second half
Georgetown down 3 to American with 11:07 left
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2023, 04:59:17 PM
DePaul has crawled within 15 of San Francisco with 12:26 left in the second half
Georgetown down 3 to American with 11:07 left
Sweet Jesus!
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2023, 05:02:21 PM
Sweet Jesus!
We need these Big East laggards to up their games and soon.
DePaul and Gtown are unmitigated disasters. It appears the BEast is very top heavy this season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2023, 05:12:05 PM
DePaul and Gtown are unmitigated disasters. It appears the BEast is very top heavy this season.
Georgetown losing to a Patriot League squad is a complete embarrassment.
Hoyas down 8 at the under 4
DePaul losing by 18 now with 4:17 left
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2023, 05:20:04 PM
Hoyas down 8 at the under 4
DePaul losing by 18 now with 4:17 left
A delusion quote from Mr Cooley regarding scheduling back to back cup cakes
"The philosophy behind the back-to-back games was to prepare our men for the Big East tournament and postseason play," Cooley said.
Hoyas cut it to 2 with 1:23 left. American with the ball
Now 1, :25 left on FS2. American going to the line
Hoyas tie it with :06 left on another Epps 3
Game is drunk
Wow, terrible defense by American on the last shot.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on November 19, 2023, 05:38:11 PM
Wow, terrible defense by American on the last shot.
Will Gtown storm the court if they pull this off in OT? :)
Overtime
Hoyas hold off American in overtime
Johnnies up 9 on Utah at half
Mr. Cooley redeemed himself
DePaul is just impossibly bad. Wth
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 19, 2023, 06:25:22 PM
Mr. Cooley redeemed himself
Continues his unfathomably elite winning record in close games at a new University
The classic down 10 with 3 mins left but win by 5 in OT so the computers pretty much call it a wash instead of a 20 spot drop in metrics
X is boat racing St marys
The team many thought might take the crown from Gonzaga this year going to have 3 losses already and in major trouble to even get a bid.
Johnnies come through for The Big East with a win over Utah.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 19, 2023, 08:04:27 PM
X is boat racing St marys
The team many thought might take the crown from Gonzaga this year going to have 3 losses already and in major trouble to even get a bid.
Miller can really coach, and really recruit.
He had those guys right there last season and it gave me the feeling that he will be competing for BE titles for years to come.
Not this year, because of all he's lost, but if he gets this years team in the dance it would be a great performance.
Shaka, Hurley, McDermott, and Miller are an elite top tier of coaches for the conference.
Ed and Rick will really have to work hard to get their teams consistently where the above 4 will be in the near future, not sure if they get there.
The others all have a lot of work to do.
Neptune recruits, but my instinct says he won't last. Stubblefield should already be out. No idea what's happening with Matta but right now he no matta.
Kim and Shaheen I'm pretty confident will have long spells barring something unforeseen, I just don't know that they will ever dip into the upper echelon as long as it's in place.
Duh Paul gets crushed by San Francisco...
Record? 1 - 4 ...
They play NIU next weekend... think they can win that one ?
They are a TOTAL disgrace
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 19, 2023, 09:03:14 PM
Duh Paul gets crushed by San Francisco...
Record? 1 - 4 ...
They play NIU next weekend... think they can win that one ?
They are a TOTAL disgrace
What can be done? I don't think they deserve to be in the BEast.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2023, 05:39:13 PM
Will Gtown storm the court if they pull this off in OT? :)
Not enough people for that--attendance remains low and especially on a football Sunday. The Redskins/Commanders may be bad, but not bad enough to pay to see American vs. Georgetown.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_U82aPXcAABLpv?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 19, 2023, 08:04:27 PM
X is boat racing St marys
The team many thought might take the crown from Gonzaga this year going to have 3 losses already and in major trouble to even get a bid.
St. Mary's has always been a defense-first team that plays slow. If the defense ain't getting stops, they're toast.
Looking at their schedule, there are a few ok wins in non-con left they can get but if they lose to UNLV, Colorado State and/or Utah, you'd think they'd have to be like 14-2 in league to sniff a bid.
Mahaney's offensive rating through 5 games is 84.7. Woof
MU Coaching staff will get a lot out of the tape of the U Conn Texas game
Yeah, UConn could repeat.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 20, 2023, 06:53:39 PM
MU Coaching staff will get a lot out of the tape of the U Conn Texas game
I would imagine Disu is back vs MU.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 20, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
They do look good.
Plus Castle is apparently a stud. Clearly they're good...but Shaka will have us prepared to go at them.
May not matter.
UConn dominated nonconference competition last year as well. Undefeated including the tournament. You're right. It may not matter.
MU is formidable however. I'm only concerned about MU's length and athleticism at the wing position. If Gold and Ross can cobble together an effective hybrid wing presence MU should be dangerous as well.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/20/sports/nahiem-alleyne-makes-good-on-his-rick-pitino-promise-for-st-johns/t
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 20, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
UConn dominated nonconference competition last year as well. Undefeated including the tournament. You're right. It may not matter.
MU is formidable however. I'm only concerned about MU's length and athleticism at the wing position. If Gold and Ross can cobble together an effective hybrid wing presence MU should be dangerous as well.
Meanwhile they're only up 7 vs a depleted Texas. If they're just better than us down the road? We'll tip our caps. But let's withhold judgement until we see how things play out.
Texas making a nice run.
In the end, the Longhorns couldn't dodge Karaban.
Quote from: tower912 on November 20, 2023, 07:57:21 PM
Texas making a nice run.
In the end, the Longhorns couldn't dodge Karaban.
You just had to ram that joke in there
Figuring it out was a challenger, but a punster of my caliber was able to complete the journey.
Quote from: tower912 on November 20, 2023, 08:42:00 PM
Figuring it out was a challenger, but a punster of my caliber was able to complete the journey.
Wow! Tower to the hoop with authority! :D
UConn has won 22 straight non-conference games, all by double digits.
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 21, 2023, 07:25:42 AM
UConn has won 22 straight non-conference games, all by double digits.
UConn has the right coach and the right league. Deadly combo
Some real love festing for us over at uconn land - hurley may be a dick, but he's our dick. Loving the BE unity.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/big-east-ooc-thread-23-24.194206/page-17
Hurley is a yappy, obnoxious in-game coach. He made it abundantly clear last season how much he admires, respects, and appreciates the Big East and the other coaches. So, I will mutter things about him during games, but I respect him. And he once again has a NC contender.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2023, 07:46:19 AM
UConn has the right coach and the right league. Deadly combo
They're real good. The games against them this year are going to be a lot of fun.
Quote from: 1SE on November 22, 2023, 12:44:18 AM
Some real love festing for us over at uconn land - hurley may be a dick, but he's our dick. Loving the BE unity.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/big-east-ooc-thread-23-24.194206/page-17
Fun thread, thanks for posting. One person didn't know that Shaka often plays Oso and Gold together, but that's OK. They'll get to see it for themselves!
Quote from: tower912 on November 22, 2023, 07:39:40 AM
Hurley is a yappy, obnoxious in-game coach. He made it abundantly clear last season how much he admires, respects, and appreciates the Big East and the other coaches. So, I will mutter things about him during games, but I respect him. And he once again has a NC contender.
Yup. I always hated Hurley, but once he was in the BE and I started paying attention to his pressers it became very clear that he's just a guy who goes to bat for his team (much like our own coach). With that perspective, I now even enjoy his sideline craziness. Our guy is crazy on the sidelines too. And it's awesome.
They both walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Not only does the BEast have three of the best teams in the country, we have three of the most exciting teams to watch.
Quote from: tower912 on November 22, 2023, 07:39:40 AM
Hurley is a yappy, obnoxious in-game coach. He made it abundantly clear last season how much he admires, respects, and appreciates the Big East and the other coaches. So, I will mutter things about him during games, but I respect him. And he once again has a NC contender.
Same. I did a 180 on Hurley OFF THE COURT after watching and reading a lot on him during their post-season run last year. In game he is still among the worst...but he knows it and seems to be somewhat working on it. Still don't like UCONN overall, but it is big for the conference to have MU, UConn and Creighton level up just at the right time with Jay Wright's departure. I think Miller will get X back up to perennial top 20 team soon too.
Would be nice to see nova with the battle 4 Atlantis and get another big east team into the top 25 before conference play
I was one of those who pooh-poohed Dan Hurley - not because of his demeanor but because his results had not lived up to his reputation. Coaching at this level is a results business, and his results at UConn were barely better than Wojo's results at Marquette. I mean, that's just a fact.
But then the second half of last season did happen, and their impressive postseason run did happen, and nobody can take that away from him. Then, on top of it all, he has become such a great spokesman for the Big East.
So good on Hurley. He's certainly earning the accolades he's getting now.
Glad we have him in the Big East. It'll be fun to battle him and his team 4x this season!
Quote from: MU82 on November 22, 2023, 10:36:36 AM
I was one of those who pooh-poohed Dan Hurley - not because of his demeanor but because his results had not lived up to his reputation. Coaching at this level is a results business, and his results at UConn were barely better than Wojo's results at Marquette. I mean, that's just a fact.
But then the second half of last season did happen, and their impressive postseason run did happen, and nobody can take that away from him. Then, on top of it all, he has become such a great spokesman for the Big East.
So good on Hurley. He's certainly earning the accolades he's getting now.
Glad we have him in the Big East. It'll be fun to battle him and his team 4x this season!
Agreed on Hurley - I'm not a huge fan of him, but I really like how he has been a great proponent of the Big East.
Hurley understood the value of The Big East and has been able to sell his vision to high quality recruits. His in game coaching produced the results and that adds fuel to the recruiting fire.
The conference is 37-13 so far in non conference.
Nova up 10. Creighton up 10.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2023, 03:38:57 PM
Nova up 10. Creighton up 10.
Solid win for Nova . Creighton took care of business too.
Would like to see Butler beat FAU today
Nova goes to Overtime with The Tar Heels
Happy TG all. I see we have a good one with Nova/UNC. What on Earth is going on with Creighton??
Omg....I just looked at the box score. Alexander and Schiermann are a combined 3-27. Crazy.
Wake up Nova. Get the freaking ball in bounds up 3.
Good win for Nova.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 23, 2023, 04:26:15 PM
Good win for Nova.
Was a good win for Nova. I think Neptune still has a lot of learning to do.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 23, 2023, 04:34:53 PM
Was a good win for Nova. I think Neptune still has a lot of learning to do.
Agreed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 23, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
Omg....I just looked at the box score. Alexander and Schiermann are a combined 3-27. Crazy.
It seems like once a season , Creighton will have a game where all their three point shooters go bad at the same time . Makes for an ugly outcome like today.
Creighton humiliated by Colorado state?
DePaul is home to Northern Illinois (4-1) this weekend. The next three are not as promising:
Iowa St.
at Texas A&M
Louisville
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2023, 08:38:24 PM
DePaul is home to Northern Illinois (4-1) this weekend. The next three are not as promising:
Iowa St.
at Texas A&M
Louisville
Northern Illinois is not exactly a gimmee for DePaul, either.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 23, 2023, 06:52:42 PM
Creighton humiliated by Colorado state?
Is this an actual question?
Quote from: warriorchick on November 23, 2023, 10:02:30 PM
Northern Illinois is not exactly a gimmee for DePaul, either.
Half joke, half semi-serious question. Could the BE persuade DePaul to leave via a buyout?
Bunch of Big East schools in action today...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1590584#msg1590584
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 24, 2023, 07:15:24 AM
Half joke, half semi-serious question. Could the BE persuade DePaul to leave via a buyout?
Anything is hypothetically possible. But I don't know what would motivate either party to make that deal AND make the money work.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 24, 2023, 07:15:24 AM
Half joke, half semi-serious question. Could the BE persuade DePaul to leave via a buyout?
Not picking on you but have seen others here bring it up - DePaul isn't giving the conference bad publicity and scandals, so just leave them be I say. If they were Michigan St with Nasser and Tucker level scandals, then I'd try to kick them out. But having a perennial bottom feeder in the league's marquee attraction, so what. The league is more than strong enough with high quality programs to compensate. It's not so bad everyone having at least one team they should beat consistently. It's a difficult enough league already. Plus, their women's basketball is strong, not sure about their other programs.
Why?
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2023, 07:56:31 AM
Why?
Attendance and performance. It's one thing being bad, another when the apathy is so bad, you can only fill your arena with opposing fans.
They won't get kicked out nor do I think they should but the conversations aren't crazy.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2023, 08:38:24 PM
DePaul is home to Northern Illinois (4-1) this weekend. The next three are not as promising:
Iowa St.
at Texas A&M
Louisville
Louisville is winnable for them.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2023, 08:05:20 AM
Attendance and performance. It's one thing being bad, another when the apathy is so bad, you can only fill your arena with opposing fans.
They won't get kicked out nor do I think they should but the conversations aren't crazy.
Yep. And Hutch's take is very fair. I'm just venting. They seem to take the attitude "we don't care if we are the perennial bottom feeder." Crappy attitudes in bball programs, people, businesses etc. just piss me off.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 24, 2023, 08:14:35 AM
Yep. And Hutch's take is very fair. I'm just venting. They seem to take the attitude "we don't care if we are the perennial bottom feeder." Crappy attitudes in bball programs, people, businesses etc. just piss me off.
Agree completely it's a frustrating situation. They aren't even decent once every 5 years or so. They haven't been respectable since their C-USA days.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 24, 2023, 08:14:35 AM
Yep. And Hutch's take is very fair. I'm just venting. They seem to take the attitude "we don't care if we are the perennial bottom feeder." Crappy attitudes in bball programs, people, businesses etc. just piss me off.
They're in a market where unless they win, they'll always be an afterthought. It's a tough gig, imo.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2023, 08:05:20 AM
Attendance and performance. It's one thing being bad, another when the apathy is so bad, you can only fill your arena with opposing fans.
They won't get kicked out nor do I think they should but the conversations aren't crazy.
DePaul has (finally) begun a capital campaign in order to raise funds for a practice facility on campus. 25 years too late, but at least they are beginning the process to become barely relevant.
It's too bad that they can't rewrite the Big East TV deal so that the revenue distribution that is at least partially based on performance.
Maybe DePaul would try a little harder if otherwise, they couldn't afford to be in the Big East.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 23, 2023, 04:44:22 PM
It seems like once a season , Creighton will have a game where all their three point shooters go bad at the same time . Makes for an ugly outcome like today.
Was watching one of the ESPN halftime shows and Crean was saying he doesn't think Creighton was at the same level as Marquette and UConn because they are too perimeter oriented. Interesting take.
Butler beats Penn State.
Nova housing Memphis by 30 with :30 left in the first half
I suppose 44-16 is acceptable at the half. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2023, 03:57:25 PM
I suppose 44-16 is acceptable at the half. :)
Think Nova is a Sweet 16 caliber team. Not as good as the top 3 in the league but a clear 4.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2023, 04:00:44 PM
Think Nova is a Sweet 16 caliber team. Not as good as the top 3 in the league but a clear 4.
I'm still not certain about Creighton. They should be good, but I'm not sold that the defense will be what it was last year
Nova may be better than Creighton...
And - looks like - will be tough for MU and UCONN
Quality win for Butler. They may be better than expected.
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 24, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
Nova may be better than Creighton...
And - looks like - will be tough for MU and UCONN
They also lost to Penn who isn't exactly a juggernaut.
Board used to be adamant they are a sleeping giant.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on November 24, 2023, 08:32:44 AM
DePaul has (finally) begun a capital campaign in order to raise funds for a practice facility on campus. 25 years too late, but at least they are beginning the process to become barely relevant.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2023, 08:36:46 PM
They also lost to Penn who isn't exactly a juggernaut.
The Big 5 isn't chopped liver. Also, that was earlier. Teams learn, improve. I mean, one of Buzz's teams lost to UW-Green Bay.
What we know about Nova is they have some good, experienced players who were on their last Final Four team, as well as some role players who transferred in.
Quote from: MU82 on November 24, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
The Big 5 isn't chopped liver. Also, that was earlier. Teams learn, improve. I mean, one of Buzz's teams lost to UW-Green Bay.
What we know about Nova is they have some good, experienced players who were on their last Final Four team, as well as some role players who transferred in.
The Quakers followed up their win over Nova with a loss to Maryland Eastern Shore and then a 2pt win today over Lafayette. Nova is a good team but that was an abysmal loss to Penn. And the Big 5(6) actually isn't particularly good. Nova is probably the only tourney team.
Xaviers Dayvion McKnight lost his brother unexpectedly. Thoughts and prayers for another Big East player
Quote from: warriorchick on November 24, 2023, 09:01:13 AM
It's too bad that they can't rewrite the Big East TV deal so that the revenue distribution that is at least partially based on performance.
Maybe DePaul would try a little harder if otherwise, they couldn't afford to be in the Big East.
Serious question: does any conference's TV package include revenue distribution based on performance? Might that just ultimately lead to greater disparities between the top and the bottom? Do teams that play on national broadcasts or higher revenue time slots already make more money (and so do better performing teams already get more of the revenue from the network?)?
Quote from: mug644 on November 25, 2023, 02:41:00 AM
Serious question: does any conference's TV package include revenue distribution based on performance? Might that just ultimately lead to greater disparities between the top and the bottom? Do teams that play on national broadcasts or higher revenue time slots already make more money (and so do better performing teams already get more of the revenue from the network?)?
The Zags have some special deal with the WCC idk if it's performance based or just based on the expectation they're worlds better than everyone except St Mary's who they're only miles better than.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/24/sports/keys-for-st-johns-ahead-of-big-east-conference-play/amp/
Jackson St. is up 3 on Georgetown with 11 mins left. Yikes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2023, 12:32:22 PM
Jackson St. is up 3 on Georgetown with 11 mins left. Yikes.
Also won at Mizzou a couple weeks ago.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2023, 10:07:32 PM
The Quakers followed up their win over Nova with a loss to Maryland Eastern Shore and then a 2pt win today over Lafayette. Nova is a good team but that was an abysmal loss to Penn. And the Big 5(6) actually isn't particularly good. Nova is probably the only tourney team.
Cool. They're rivalry games. Losses happen.
Saying Nova is no good because of one bad loss is like saying Nova is great because of a couple nice wins.
Good teams lose to inferior teams sometimes.
We don't know yet how good Nova is or isn't this season, but they looked pretty tough to me against UNC.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2023, 12:35:53 PM
Also won at Mizzou a couple weeks ago.
And that's their only win.
Quote from: MU82 on November 25, 2023, 12:39:13 PM
Cool. They're rivalry games. Losses happen.
Saying Nova is no good because of one bad loss is like saying Nova is great because of a couple nice wins.
Good teams lose to inferior teams sometimes.
We don't know yet how good Nova is or isn't this season, but they looked pretty tough to me against UNC.
No one said Nova isn't good. That's a bad loss for sure.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
No one said Nova isn't good. That's a bad loss for sure.
At least they're not afraid to play other local teams
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
No one said Nova isn't good. That's a bad loss for sure.
Yep. Bad loss. Similar to the dozens of other bad losses that happen every season, even to many teams that go on to win a lot of games, even to many that go on to win NCAA titles.
Mr. Cooley happy with any win he can get .Hoyas 5-2
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/jayden-epps-34-points-leads-georgetown-past-tough-jackson-state/
Hoyas have a number of winnable games left . Could emerge from non conference with a decent record
X may not have the beat roster this year after the two key injuries. However , they are well coached and could surprise some folks in conference play
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2023/11/24/23974793/xavier-dismantles-bryant-to-keep-positive-momentum
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2023, 04:13:08 PM
Mr. Cooley happy with any win he can get .Hoyas 5-2
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/jayden-epps-34-points-leads-georgetown-past-tough-jackson-state/
Hoyas have a number of winnable games left . Could emerge from non conference with a decent record
Hopefully they can do better than the predicted .500 record of MU.
Wow DePaul down 22 early 2nd half versus Northern Illinois
Does Stubblefield survive the weekend?
Does DePaul win a game in the Big East this year?
Blown out by a bunny. Wow. Looking like a Q4 road game.
Quote from: MU82 on November 25, 2023, 04:08:48 PM
Yep. Bad loss. Similar to the dozens of other bad losses that happen every season, even to many teams that go on to win a lot of games, even to many that go on to win NCAA titles.
Or do not make it to the title game because they lost to Fairleigh Dickinson, St. Peters or UMBC in the Big Dance.
This is not ending well for Tony Stubblefield.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 25, 2023, 10:16:02 PM
This is not ending well for Tony Stubblefield.
I'm sure he's feeling very blue, blue right now.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 25, 2023, 10:03:45 PM
Blown out by a bunny. Wow. Looking like a Q4 road game.
Never had a lead. Oof.
I'd say it's going to be a long year for Blue Demon fans, but rightfully nobody from DePaul is paying attention. Obviously Stubblefield needs to go after this season.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 25, 2023, 10:16:02 PM
This is not ending well for Tony Stubblefield.
Did it start well?
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 25, 2023, 10:03:45 PM
Blown out by a bunny. Wow. Looking like a Q4 road 2nd home game.
FIFY
there was nobody at the game either-listed attendance 2700? they could've had that at the Al with room to spare. saturday night? embarrassing. the best the city of chicago could do was 2700?? my bro in law and his son each went to depaul and they bring up marquette more
BE needs to have serious conversations about their commitment to basketball. Every year I think it can't get more pathetic, yet here we are.
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2023, 07:15:06 AM
BE needs to have serious conversations about their commitment to basketball. Every year I think it can't get more pathetic, yet here we are.
I think they're committed to basketball. They hired an athletic director from outside the DePaul community in Peevy, but he just made a terrible hire in Stubblefield. Brew said that they just hire too many older guys when what the program needs is a young guy with some energy - a Kevin O'Neill or Tom Crean type of hire.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2023, 07:26:09 AM
I think they're committed to basketball. They hired an athletic director from outside the DePaul community in Peevy, but he just made a terrible hire in Stubblefield. Brew said that they just hire too many older guys when what the program needs is a young guy with some energy - a Kevin O'Neill or Tom Crean type of hire.
They could have hired Jon Scheyer and took Stubblefield instead. We can say what we want about Scheyer but I bet that program is a lot more competitive with him there and even if he leaves, a foundation gets laid. Just a disastrous decision
Johnnies taking care of business
https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/sports/st-johns-belts-holy-cross-to-begin-lighter-stretch-in-style/
Burno is having a good year..next man up?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2023, 07:26:09 AM
I think they're committed to basketball. They hired an athletic director from outside the DePaul community in Peevy, but he just made a terrible hire in Stubblefield. Brew said that they just hire too many older guys when what the program needs is a young guy with some energy - a Kevin O'Neill or Tom Crean type of hire.
How about Stan Johnson?
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 26, 2023, 08:05:46 AM
How about Stan Johnson?
I like Stan too much to wish the DePaul head coaching job on him...
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 26, 2023, 08:05:46 AM
How about Stan Johnson?
Eh. Middling at LMU so far. Largely a west coast guy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2023, 07:26:09 AM
I think they're committed to basketball. They hired an athletic director from outside the DePaul community in Peevy, but he just made a terrible hire in Stubblefield. Brew said that they just hire too many older guys when what the program needs is a young guy with some energy - a Kevin O'Neill or Tom Crean type of hire.
According to brew - they're probably one competent marketing department hire away from filling the place.
I'm in the put up or shut up camp for DePaul. Their extended track record speaks contrary towards any sort of serious commitment to hoops.
Serious question- what, if anything, can the BE realistically do to nudge, encourage, push DePaul? I see no way (again, realistically) that DePaul can be expelled. They really need to go to the Missouri Valley Conference where they might be able to win enough games that they would not need to lie about their attendance numbers at Wintrust. The program is such a train wreck!
If the rumors are true regarding Coach Blue Blue's hire, he got the job partially because he was willing to take their relatively low pay offer. If true, that's a Hell of a way to try to refloat a ship that is near sinking.
DePaul's going nowhere. Stubbs will be fired and hopefully they make a good hire.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2023, 08:51:27 AM
Serious question- what, if anything, can the BE realistically do to nudge, encourage, push DePaul? I see no way (again, realistically) that DePaul can be expelled. They really need to go to the Missouri Valley Conference where they might be able to win enough games that they would not need to lie about their attendance numbers at Wintrust. The program is such a train wreck!
If the rumors are true regarding Coach Blue Blue's hire, he got the job partially because he was willing to take their relatively low pay offer. If true, that's a Hell of a way to try to refloat a ship that is near sinking.
Every conference has bottom feeders. You'd hope DePaul alum and athletic department would be embarrassed by their flagship program but maybe not
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2023, 08:54:55 AM
DePaul's going nowhere. Stubbs will be fired and hopefully they make a good hire.
The Bradley Braves have started their season 7-0. Mr. Wardle has received a contract extension , reportedly to 2029, Has the program averaging about 5,000 a game for home games at Carver Arena. Seems like he is enjoying life in Peoria and it may be hard for DePaul to hire a Coach of his quality and track record.
https://www.pjstar.com/story/sports/college/basketball/bradley-hoops/2023/06/27/ncaa-college-basketball-bradley-braves-coach-brian-wardle-contract-extension/70363244007/
To turn DePaul around it will take a coach like Mr. Wardle who can operate out of strategic plan that has worked before in less than attractive situations.
Good for Wardle. He's a good guy ...
As someone said above ( re: Stan ) I would not wish that job on him.
And ... I watched a few mins last night ....
2,700 (?) lolllll ... more like 1,000. Max
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 26, 2023, 11:03:10 AM
Good for Wardle. He's a good guy ...
As someone said above ( re: Stan ) I would not wish that job on him.
And ... I watched a few mins last night ....
2,700 (?) lolllll ... more like 1,000. Max
Plus Wardle is waiting for Marquette to open up after Shaka takes the Kentucky job
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2023, 11:08:48 AM
Plus Wardle is waiting for Marquette to open up after Shaka takes the Kentucky job
...come on, Shaka is waiting out Gard
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2023, 08:54:55 AM
DePaul's going nowhere. Stubbs will be fired and hopefully they make a good hire.
I can't think of a worse high major program in the country. Much of the reason is because they chose to put absolutely no effort into the basketball program
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2023, 11:08:48 AM
Plus Wardle is waiting for Marquette to open up after Shaka takes the Kentucky job
There actually are a lot of Louisville people who believe they will target Shaka after they fire Payne. Im not worried about him leaving but Marquette will need pony up again next offseason just to be safe.
Quote from: JTJ3 on November 26, 2023, 12:39:09 PM
There actually are a lot of Louisville people who believe they will target Shaka after they fire Payne. Im not worried about him leaving but Marquette will need pony up again next offseason just to be safe.
There's a better chance I'm coaching Louisville next year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
There's a better chance I'm coaching Louisville next year
I agree completely, Shaka isnt leaving.
Louisville fans delusionally thinking theyre still a top 10 level job is very entertaining though!
Rico knows ball. He would tick off all of the fans lacking a sense of humor. No idea if he can recruit.
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2023, 01:01:25 PM
Rico knows ball. He would tick off all of the fans lacking a sense of humor. No idea if he can recruit.
Writing checks wins titles at Louisville, buddy. Recruiting would be easy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2023, 01:04:55 PM
Writing checks wins titles at Louisville, buddy. Recruiting would be easy
And hookers.
Butler with a good opportunity to up their non conference record. Coming off excellent win over Penn State .
Commentary from Bulldogs announcers
https://twitter.com/ButlerMBB/status/1728852386750292416/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1728852386750292416¤tTweetUser=ButlerMBB
Quote from: JTJ3 on November 26, 2023, 12:39:09 PM
There actually are a lot of Louisville people who believe they will target Shaka after they fire Payne. Im not worried about him leaving but Marquette will need pony up again next offseason just to be safe.
Marquette is a better program than the 'Ville (credit to Shaka), imo, and without any stank.
I said it last year and will say it every year, if Shaka were to leave MU, he would receive about 12 minute standing ovation from me. Every top program with an opening will try to get him and I think all will be disappointed with the answer.
Marquette is a top program.
If we've got alums who will step up to dump a coach, I like to think we've got alums who will step up to keep a coach.
Butler appears to be much better this year than last. I realize that isn't saying a lot, but after a ton of turnover it looked like things could be getting even worse under Matta. Up 19 on Boise State late in game after beating Penn State.
I have no idea what to make of Butler but I don't think we can glean much from wins over Penn St. or Boise St. They're better than DePaul and Gtown but that's all we know.
Big East now 49-19 in Non Conference play. Like to see that league win loss percentage above 75 . However ,DePaul dragging the league down with its 1-5 record and cupcake losses .
Would like to see the league , as a whole finish up non conference strong .
The only ones that care about conference non-conference win percentage are bubble teams. This is a non-factor to Marquette.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 26, 2023, 05:39:40 PM
Big East now 49-19 in Non Conference play. Like to see that league win loss percentage above 75 . However ,DePaul dragging the league down with its 1-5 record and cupcake losses .
Would like to see the league , as a whole finish up non conference strong .
The talk about Louisville trying to hire Shaka is interesting. UL is a very good job - a really good job - despite some of the issues. The facilities are top-notch and it is a large and rabid fan base. They will secure a really good coach, but it is not likely to be Shaka. I am not sure why they hired Payne except for his playing days there, and he may do a lot better this year and keep his job. But, unless there is significant improvement this year, they will get rid of him. But, I do agree with Goose. If, by some miracle, another school lured Shaka away, I would be very grateful to him for having restored our program.
I think the lure of some of these jobs aren't what you think they might be. Do you think Chris Mack regrets leaving Xavier for that gig? Outside of the money, it sounds like he had a miserable experience. I think a lot of coaches who are in solid situations aren't going to make that leap unless they just feel the need to try something new.
There is less than a .5% chance Shaka leaves MU any time soon.
Someone should start a prediction thread about the number of times Scoopers will fret about losing Shaka.
Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2023, 08:24:00 AM
Someone should start a prediction thread about the number of times Scoopers will fret about losing Shaka.
Just wait til we win a Natty!
Quote from: DoctorV on November 27, 2023, 08:44:08 AM
Just wait til we win a Natty!
If they win a natty, Shaka can go wherever he wants
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 08:47:18 AM
If they win a natty, Shaka can go wherever he wants
Absolutely, but that doesn't mean we can't fret about him leaving.
He would need one of those lifetime contracts Billy Self got
I hear Tepper might hire Shaka to coach the Panthers.
He'd do better than the tripe Carolina's had!
Quote from: DoctorV on November 27, 2023, 08:49:43 AM
Absolutely, but that doesn't mean we can't fret about him leaving.
He would need one of those lifetime contracts Billy Self got
Then Marquette should give him one.
I think MU knows what they have in Shaka. It looks like the four game Xmas break student tickets sold out in under an hour and MU knows the driving force behind it.
Quote from: Goose on November 27, 2023, 11:55:09 AM
I think MU knows what they have in Shaka. It looks like the four game Xmas break student tickets sold out in under an hour and MU knows the driving force behind it.
Wow. That is impressive. An awesome deal by the marketing department, and the fans and city are out supporting. The MU basketball fever is real.
If Shaka already didn't have his Texas tenure I'd be a bit worried, but unless Duke comes calling my concern level for him leaving is zero.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 27, 2023, 04:08:00 PM
If Shaka already didn't have his Texas tenure I'd be a bit worried, but unless Duke comes calling my concern level for him leaving is zero.
I think it's always easy to have a blind spot for your own coach, but when I see Louisville fans pining for Shaka, I just chuckle. I really think he's here for a good long time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 27, 2023, 05:44:07 PM
I think it's always easy to have a blind spot for your own coach, but when I see Louisville fans pining for Shaka, I just chuckle. I really think he's here for a good long time.
Unless Willie runs him off
Oakland boat racing X, up 1 at half
Xavier down 8 versus Oakland
What on God's Green Earth is going on with XU? They best wake the fk up.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2023, 06:59:02 PM
What on God's Green Earth is going on with XU? They best wake the fk up.
I heard they were at the stripper clubs
Good to see Joey Hauser's former roommate, Rocket Watts, playing for Oakland.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:01:04 PM
I heard they were at the stripper clubs
The bottom line is that they must get it together. No pun intended.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
Good to see Joey Hauser's former roommate, Rocket Watts, playing for Oakland.
I think DJ Carton was "recruiting" him to Marquette via Twitter before he ultimately decided to go pro and not stick it out with Shaka as the new coach.
Oakland up 3 with 1:15 left
Brutal sequence for X
Excellent hard fought loss for Xavier.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2023, 07:34:04 PM
Excellent hard fought loss for Xavier.
Helps the cause with it being a hard fought loss
UConn up big
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:36:37 PM
Helps the cause with it being a hard fought loss
What cause? Is this supposed to be one of your Oscar Wilde like attempts at wit or humor??
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
What cause? Is this supposed to be one of your Oscar Wilde like attempts at wit or humor??
The Big East cause
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:40:50 PM
The Big East cause
You don't help the BEast cause by losing on your home floor to Oakland. Although they have a decent squad.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2023, 07:44:20 PM
You don't help the BEast cause by losing on your home floor to Oakland. Although they have a decent squad.
Agree to disagree
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 05:53:49 PM
Unless Willie runs him off
Shaka-Wojo-Dukiet-Hickey-Winter
Somebody has to finish near the bottom. Who will join DePaul and Georgetown?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:45:48 PM
Agree to disagree
It's not really debatable. Since when does one help the "cause" of a conference by losing?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2023, 07:50:42 PM
It's not really debatable. Since when does one help the "cause" of a conference by losing?
Illinois beat Oakland which beat X which means Marquette's win over Illinois means Oakland beating X is a good win
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:54:03 PM
Illinois beat Oakland which beat X which means Marquette's win over Illinois means Oakland beating X is a good win
Major stretch.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2023, 07:54:03 PM
Illinois beat Oakland which beat X which means Marquette's win over Illinois means Oakland beating X is a good win
Love this thread. Next level.
Sean Miller screwed The Big East tonight by losing to Oakland. X needs to get its act together quickly.
Sean Miller addressing the loss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm7crdNOzgM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 27, 2023, 08:37:46 PM
Oh Muggs
I think he set a scoop record for the number of consecutive hook, line and sinker replies to bait.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2023, 08:48:21 PM
I think he set a scoop record for the number of consecutive hook, line and sinker replies to bait.
MuggsyB must be tired tonite. 😊
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2023, 08:48:21 PM
I think he set a scoop record for the number of consecutive hook, line and sinker replies to bait.
Just another Monday night.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2023, 07:10:48 PM
The bottom line is that they must get it together. No pun intended.
Where's the pun?
Looking like pretty big drop offs between the BE tier 1a, 1b, 2 and 3. If the four tier 2 team all beat up on each other and drop a game here or.there to t3 it could be a tall.order getting 6 in - although the bubble is always weak
I feel Nova, Uconn, Marquette and Creighton are locks. Providence and Xavier will be bubble teams the whole year and no other team will be close.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on November 28, 2023, 07:42:21 AM
I feel Nova, Uconn, Marquette and Creighton are locks. Providence and Xavier will be bubble teams the whole year and no other team will be close.
If the Johnnies start to gel they could easily push their way in the picture.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
Good to see Joey Hauser's former roommate, Rocket Watts, playing for Oakland.
Oakland puts players in the NBA
(https://media.bleacherreport.com/image/upload/w_970,h_500,c_fill/c_crop,h_1.00,w_1.00,x_0.00,y_0.00/v1701197352/lvs7yolhewwiqvcliodz.png)
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on November 28, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
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Very interesting decision to play the game at the Library.
Lavall Jordan would be a good coaching prospect for DePaul.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 28, 2023, 04:41:49 PM
Very interesting decision to play the game at the Library.
Bad dad jokes? I like it.
Solid win for The Friars . Move to 6-1
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 28, 2023, 08:28:25 PM
Lavall Jordan would be a good coaching prospect for DePaul.
Drunk?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 28, 2023, 08:28:25 PM
Lavall Jordan would be a good coaching prospect for DePaul.
Very good compared to the current guy, sure. Very good compared to good Big East coaches? Uh ... no.
Honestly curious if Wardle would take the job, didn't he go to Hinsdale central or Hinsdale south HS?
Nova getting hamblasted by St. Joe's, 7-6 with 15:56 left in the first half
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
Nova getting hamblasted by St. Joe's, 7-6 with 15:56 left in the first half
So unkosher.
Things are a bit challenging tonight for Nova in their Big 5 Game versus St. Joes
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2023, 06:19:15 PM
Things are a bit challenging tonight for Nova in their Big 5 Game versus St. Joes
St Joes 73.2% efg% & high def to rate in the first half means they betta b scurred cause they r knot repeatin
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2023, 06:19:15 PM
Things are a bit challenging tonight for Nova in their Big 5 Game versus St. Joes
Good Grief Herman! I just saw the score.
Looks like nova blew their load in the Bahamas
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 29, 2023, 06:29:54 PM
St Joes 73.2% efg% & high def to rate in the first half means they betta b scurred cause they r knot repeatin
You will probably claim victory since St. Joe's will not have the exact same efficiency, but still...
Losing to St. Joe's isn't a bad loss, imo. St. Joe's only losses are to Kentucky in overtime and to Texas A-M Commerce
All those Big 5 teams get way up for Villanova (And Kyle Neptune probably isn't a great coach)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2023, 07:28:55 PM
Losing to St. Joe's isn't a bad loss, imo. St. Joe's only losses are to Kentucky in overtime and to Texas A-M Commerce
Texas A&M Commerce?????? Point shaving situation there?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 29, 2023, 07:30:25 PM
All those Big 5 teams get way up for Villanova (And Kyle Neptune probably isn't a great coach)
This is why Marquette is afraid to play UWM
Lynn Greer, Xzayvier Brown, Anthony Finkley, I believe Christ Essandoko.
Shoutout these St. Joes players wojo recruited and offered
Nova with the reverse cover
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 07:21:26 PM
You will probably claim victory since St. Joe's will not have the exact same efficiency, but still...
Yes!!! I win!!! (But for the game it was Nova's 8th worst def efg% game this century. Yuck)
Kyle Neptune screwed The Big East tonight by losing to St. Joes.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2023, 08:04:32 PM
Kyle Neptune screwed The Big East tonight by losing to St. Joes.
No, he didn't
Shaheen got the job done to tonight for The Hall
(https://images2.imgbox.com/b7/27/XfKB6Qfy_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/XfKB6Qfy)
Will you guys think less of me if I'm rooting for the Merrimak College Warriors to beat Georgetown tonight ( currently up 4 in D.C on FS1).
I know Georgetown is quite the project after Ewing did less than the bare minimum, but I thought Cooley would have had them playing better than this
Georgetown trying to get through their gauntlet of a November schedule which includes:
Le Moyne
Holy Cross
Mount St Marys
American
Jackson St
Merrimack
Mr Cooley ekes out the win.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 29, 2023, 09:12:55 PM
I know Georgetown is quite the project after Ewing did less than the bare minimum, but I thought Cooley would have had them playing better than this
Eight available scholarship players.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2023, 09:46:59 PM
Mr Cooley ekes out the win.
Just padding his close game stats
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2023, 02:08:20 AM
Honestly curious if Wardle would take the job, didn't he go to Hinsdale central or Hinsdale south HS?
He went to Central.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 29, 2023, 09:42:50 PM
Georgetown trying to get through their gauntlet of a November schedule which includes:
Le Moyne
Holy Cross
Mount St Marys
American
Jackson St
Merrimack
Rico covers these schools extensively
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 30, 2023, 07:38:29 AM
Rico covers these schools extensively
Only thanks to his generous sponsor.
Pitino bringing accountability To Johnnies , with harsh assessment of teams performance so far .
https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/sports/rick-pitino-bringing-accountability-to-st-johns/amp/
Big Opportunity at hime tonight for Butler. Transfer Pierre Brooks has been playing well.
https://fieldlevelmedia.com/ncaab/texas-tech-aims-to-keep-rolling-in-first-road-test-at-butler/
Bulldogs looking solid early second half versus The Red Raiders. Butler may surprise some folks in Big East play this season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 06:47:44 PM
Bulldogs looking solid early second half versus The Red Raiders. Butler may surprise some folks in Big East play this season.
They look like dog sh*t.
Great to see posh balling out again. Such a fun player to watch
An excellent non-loss for Butler.
Quote from: panda on November 30, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
Great to see posh balling out again. Such a fun player to watch
I forgot he went to Butler - nice to see him get away from Curabello. He's got a triple double tonite.
Butler got the win? They looked bad in the few minutes I watched
Excellent win for Butler tonight. I like how Matta has this team moving the ball.
Creighton tends to lay one big egg a year and then bounce right back with a quality . Looks like they are on schedule to tonight versus The Cowboys, up 18 at half on the road.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 08:59:48 PM
Creighton tends to lay one big egg a year and then bounce right back with a quality . Looks like they are on schedule to tonight versus The Cowboys, up 18 at half on the road.
Nbm
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 08:59:48 PM
Creighton tends to lay one big egg a year and then bounce right back with a quality . Looks like they are on schedule to tonight versus The Cowboys, up 18 at half on the road.
Nice to hear the Big 12 announcers in the game debate the best conference, Big12 or Big East.
Two big games tomorrow in the BEast with Houston/XU and UCONN/Kansas.
Creighton had 4 starters score 74 of their 79 points. Kind of insane
Quote from: Carl on November 30, 2023, 10:00:30 PM
Creighton had 4 starters score 74 of their 79 points. Kind of insane
They have four top quality starters, that played 32, 36,37 and 38 minutes tonight. The reserves and 5th starter took a total of 3 shots .
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
They have four top quality starters, that played 32, 36,37 and 38 minutes tonight. The reserves and 5th starter took a total of 3 shots .
It will be interesting to see how they hold up over the course of a long season. Probably what we've seen so far - can play with anyone if they're on, but will also drop a non-negligible number of games that they shouldn't.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
Excellent win for Butler tonight. I like how Matta Posh has this team moving the ball.
FIFY
Quote from: panda on November 30, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
Great to see posh balling out again. Such a fun player to watch
Efg% up to 45.8%. Pretty good for him
I usually can't get excited about guards who can't shoot, and he's not an exception. Yuck
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
They have four top quality starters, that played 32, 36,37 and 38 minutes tonight. The reserves and 5th starter took a total of 3 shots .
One of McDermott's weaknesses over the years has been the inability to develop quality depth on his teams. Luckily for him, the refs rarely call fouls on Creighton.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 01, 2023, 06:58:09 AM
Efg% up to 45.8%. Pretty good for him
I usually can't get excited about guards who can't shoot, and he's not an exception. Yuck
I made a highly subjective statement. I enjoy watching him play and have fun. He's an exciting player in my eyes.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2023, 06:47:44 PM
Bulldogs looking solid early second half versus The Red Raiders. Butler may surprise some folks in Big East play this season.
We'll see. They mauled cupcakes and beat K-State in non-con last year, but were the worst efficiency margin team in the Big East once conference play started (worse than Georgetown or DePaul). Matta has then looking good, but it's a little too early to crown them a contender.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 01, 2023, 09:38:53 AM
We'll see. They mauled cupcakes and beat K-State in non-con last year, but were the worst efficiency margin team in the Big East once conference play started (worse than Georgetown or DePaul). Matta has then looking good, but it's a little too early to crown them a contender.
They're definitely not a contender but already look far better than DePaul, Georgetown and imo seton hall.
I heard that Thad does not take time practice for shots from the foul line.
Because Matta no free throws.
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
I heard that Thad does not take time practice for shots from the foul line.
Because Matta no free throws.
He has, which is stupid
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 01, 2023, 09:38:53 AM
We'll see. They mauled cupcakes and beat K-State in non-con last year, but were the worst efficiency margin team in the Big East once conference play started (worse than Georgetown or DePaul). Matta has then looking good, but it's a little too early to crown them a contender.
Agree they are likely not a contender, but it is a completely different team than last year so not much to draw from that. Virtually all the players from last year are gone. They look more like a mid-tier conference team rather than bottom quarter. Would not be surprised to see them as a bubble team come March.
Games, networks & crews the next two days.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1592332#msg1592332
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2023, 01:02:40 PM
Games, networks & crews the next two days.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1592332#msg1592332
I wish they'd put Brando out to pasture.
X needs to take care of the damn ball
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2023, 06:24:42 PM
X needs to take care of the damn ball
Down 13?? Very disappointing.
Houston might once again be legit.
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2023, 06:54:26 PM
Houston might once again be legit.
Clearly they're good. Kelvin looks upset Tower.
His guy just picked up an odd foul and KS got a T. Big foul trouble. Yeah, he is upset.
Lets hope X doesnt get the same officiating edge when we play them at their place
They suck at free throws though so not even fully taking advantage.
If MU gets whistles like Houston is getting, scoop will explode.
Johnnies in a dog fight with Mountaineers tied at half. Too bad Huggy Bear lost control of his deinking , would have a Pitino Huggy Bear match up would have been fun
Ya...that was a very strange call on Shead.
Hoping X hangs close , anything can happen at the end in that arena.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 01, 2023, 07:06:20 PM
Too bad Huggy Bear lost control of his deinking
How many tattoos did he have removed?
X is on a 10-0 run but over 6 minutes with basically their entire offense being free throws while Houston has guys out with foul trouble
Hopefully they pull this out for a good win, but X is not good.
Not exactly Curryesque touch for either team at the FT line.
Houston picking up a lot of legit fouls now with their aggressive D
This is insane though cause its literally the only way X can score. And they just keep sending em to line.
x is 4/14 this half and its 14 minutes into the half.
Now these teams cant stop setting illegal screens haha
Can no one set a proper screen?
#ghostofchrisgrimm
So
Many
Fouls
Ugly hoops. X with atrocious execution.
Miller might wanna coach some offense at practice
These guys have no clue what they are doing every possession
Houston is just better.
Watch McKnight be that random scrub that wont miss against us
He is WOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
X has no talent
Miller has not been recruiting/buying . A couple of injuries has exposed this.
X was winning 52 to 51 with 6:45 left in the game. They now have 54 with 1 min left.
I think it's possible northwestern pulls the upset tonight against Purdue
DePaul gets off to a good start versus MU West
Dickie Simpkins on the call
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 01, 2023, 07:57:11 PM
DePaul gets off to a good start versus MU West
Dickie Simpkins on the call
ISU on a 20-8 run
Not a good start for UCONN. St. John's on the verge of a W.
Insane how loud it is at Allen Fieldhouse
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2023, 08:22:51 PM
Not a good start for UCONN. St. John's on the verge of a W.
Dickenson already with a better game tonite than against MU.
Pitino helping The Big East Cause with a quality win tonight versus Mountaineers
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 01, 2023, 08:25:31 PM
Dickenson already with a better game tonite than against MU.
Tough matchup for Clingan having to defend the 3 and chase so much. Not sure he's used to that. Sucking a lot of wind early.
Said it when he returned, say it now. Clingan should've taken the money and run. Far greater chance he gets exposed than shoots up into the top 10.
UCONN is fortunate they're in range. They need to pick up their intensity defensively.
DePaul needs to save face and just self evict themselves from the league
Iowa State now BLASTING Duh Paul ...
Up 18 !
The ( very ) Blue Demons looking at a
5 or 6 win season. Maybe
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2023, 08:50:39 PM
DePaul needs to save face and just self evict themselves from the league
Sleeping giant. They're just one hire away from competing
Feel bad for my guy Dickie Simpkins having to cover this DePaul game . Thats a tough living .
We're gonna need Stevie to lock down Newton when we play UConn. He's the only reason UConn is in the game.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 01, 2023, 09:01:07 PM
We're gonna need Stevie to lock down Newton when we play UConn. He's the only reason UConn is in the game.
Clingan has been brutal thus far.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2023, 08:33:12 PM
Said it when he returned, say it now. Clingan should've taken the money and run. Far greater chance he gets exposed than shoots up into the top 10.
I agree with this analysis
Newton has been incredible tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2023, 09:40:51 PM
Newton has been incredible tonight.
Showing up in a big game
Any road win is a good win
https://nypost.com/2023/12/01/sports/st-johns-escapes-west-virginia-with-win-in-big-east-big-12-battle/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 01, 2023, 08:27:34 PM
Pitino helping The Big East Cause with a quality win tonight versus Mountaineers
F Pitino. He belongs in the same clown car as Badgers and anything No Dick.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 02, 2023, 06:04:20 AM
F Pitino. He belongs in the same clown car as Badgers and anything No Dick.
Helluva coach
Quote from: willie warrior on December 02, 2023, 06:04:20 AM
F Pitino. He belongs in the same clown car as Badgers and anything No Dick.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/9e/81/5Hsygv52_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/5Hsygv52)
Quote from: panda on December 01, 2023, 09:52:41 AM
They're definitely not a contender but already look far better than DePaul, Georgetown and imo seton hall.
Just like in non-con play last year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 02:14:17 PM
Just like in non-con play last year.
Remember you had MU losing 2 games all year?
Now Nova lost to Drexel
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Now Nova lost to Drexel
Neptune pulled an 0fer against Philly teams on the schedule. Imagine if we did that against UW, UWM, and UWGB.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
You have gotta be shiiiiiting me?
Really not all that sold on Neptune. Should have done a national search and could have easily landed a top tier coach.
Nova sucks
Neptune screwed The Big East again
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 02, 2023, 02:58:31 PM
Ok bud
Your reading comprehension is failing you. Try reading the post again, slower this time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 03:50:05 PM
Your reading comprehension is failing you. Try reading the post again, slower this time.
29-2.
But let me know when you get Ken's cock out of your mouth.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 02:14:17 PM
Just like in non-con play last year.
Anyone with two eyes and half a basketball sense can say they're better than Georgetown, DePaul and seton hall. No neeed to argue
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 02, 2023, 04:00:27 PM
29-2.
But let me know when you get Ken's cock out of your mouth.
Let's try this again ::)
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 03:50:05 PM
Your reading comprehension is failing you. Try reading the post again, slower this time.
So far, you made an incorrect statement, posted a pic that proves your statement is incorrect, and doubled down when again called on being wrong.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 06:25:52 PM
Let's try this again ::)
So far, you made an incorrect statement, posted a pic that proves your statement is incorrect, and doubled down when again called on being wrong.
Didn't you predict 29-2?
Quote from: panda on December 02, 2023, 06:33:58 PM
Didn't you predict 29-2?
Am I the only one who doesn't know who Ken is?
Georgetown loses on unbelievably controversial buzzer beater. TCU player throws up a prayer 3 for the win but had clearly stepped out of bounds on replay. Refs said they aren't allowed to review that. Ouch. Reminds of that movie glory road
Quote from: Johnny B on December 02, 2023, 06:49:18 PM
Georgetown loses on unbelievably controversial buzzer beater. TCU player throws up a prayer 3 for the win but had clearly stepped out of bounds on replay. Refs said they aren't allowed to review that. Ouch. Reminds of that movie glory road
. That was crazy.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 02, 2023, 06:47:55 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't know who Ken is?
Guessing it would be Mr pomeroy
Quote from: panda on December 02, 2023, 06:51:06 PM
Guessing it would be Mr pomeroy
Makes sense I guess. I was thinking it was Ken from Kewaskum.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 02, 2023, 06:57:26 PM
Makes sense I guess. I was thinking it was Ken from Kewaskum.
Neither would surprise me tbh
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2023, 07:55:17 PM
All year long? No.
So what did you mean by the post when you went game by game and predicted a 29-2 record?
Quote from: panda on December 02, 2023, 08:08:10 PM
So what did you mean by the post when you went game by game and predicted a 29-2 record?
You all are insufferable. He's including his 2-1 BET guess to make it 3 loses for the "whole year".
English Enterprises saves the day for The Big East and goes to 7-1 on the season.
Tough loss for Georgetown after losing on a shot that shouldn't have counted.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 03, 2023, 10:58:44 AM
Tough loss for Georgetown after losing on a shot that shouldn't have counted.
That was bogus.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 02, 2023, 08:12:09 PM
You all are insufferable. He's including his 2-1 BET guess to make it 3 loses for the "whole year".
*losses
From the Georgetown game, a better view of the last shot. The official never looked down.
(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/tcu_402.jpg)
Creighton up big on Nebraska.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2023, 04:14:39 PM
Creighton up big on Nebraska.
Creighton makes up for last years embarrassing loss To The Huskers
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 03, 2023, 01:12:42 PM
From the Georgetown game, a better view of the last shot. The official never looked down.
(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/tcu_402.jpg)
I was amazed that the refs spent so little time reviewing the play before declaring it good. How many times have we seen them slowly review tape over and over to determine possession or a flagrant 1 foul in games on a regular basis? Like Fanta said right after the quick decision, Georgetown was robbed. Not only an awful decision that determined the winner but a rushed one as well.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2023, 08:35:33 PM
I was amazed that the refs spent so little time reviewing the play before declaring it good. How many times have we seen them slowly review tape over and over to determine possession or a flagrant 1 foul in games on a regular basis? Like Fanta said right after the quick decision, Georgetown was robbed. Not only an awful decision that determined the winner but a rushed one as well.
They can't review out of bounds there. They didn't need a long review to see the shot was off in time.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
They can't review out of bounds there. They didn't need a long review to see the shot was off in time.
I've heard the same thing from a few places but my question for the board is what stupid loophole in the rule prevents that? I thought possession was reviewable in the last two minutes?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
They can't review out of bounds there. They didn't need a long review to see the shot was off in time.
Thanks. Did not know that. Agree on the shot/clock. The issue was the out of bounds. Still....a travesty.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2023, 08:20:32 AM
I've heard the same thing from a few places but my question for the board is what stupid loophole in the rule prevents that? I thought possession was reviewable in the last two minutes?
Lipreading what the ref told Cooley: "We would have had to call him out of bounds". So, much like when the ball bounces out of bounds and they can review who last touched it...the out of bounds call apparently has to be made for possession to be reviewable.
Though, I agree it's a bit silly.
Opportunity to get the call right, quickly and easily, and the rules won't allow it. How stoopid is that?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 02, 2023, 06:47:55 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't know who Ken is?
Duh, Barbie's boyfriend
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2023, 03:21:48 PM
Opportunity to get the call right, quickly and easily, and the rules won't allow it. How stoopid is that?
Crème Cheese on a bagel stoopid
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2023, 11:17:25 PM
English Enterprises saves the day for The Big East and goes to 7-1 on the season.
My hot take. English will be more successful at Providence than Cooley was.
Busy night on multiple networks
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1594097#msg1594097
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 04, 2023, 05:54:23 PM
My hot take. English will be more successful at Providence than Cooley was.
English Enterprises agrees
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_QX20YnWzqoabzPPaa42rOHNcCGQxI32N9w&usqp=CAU)
UConn and the always interesting Blue Blood conversation
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39021165/five-national-championships-25-years-uconn-men-basketball-blue-blood
Quote from: Oldgym on December 05, 2023, 04:56:14 PM
UConn and the always interesting Blue Blood conversation
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39021165/five-national-championships-25-years-uconn-men-basketball-blue-blood
Maybe they can hang a banner that says, "Blue Blood since 2023"
Xavier in a close one with Delaware.
They seem to be trying really hard, though.
Villanova hit 5 early 3's and now cannot buy one. In danger of getting rolled by K State.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2023, 06:34:01 PM
Xavier in a close one with Delaware.
They seem to be trying really hard, though.
Sweet Jesus! Delaware?? WTF is happening to the world? XU must wake up Tower. Immediately.
And if they don't?
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2023, 06:48:24 PM
And if they don't?
If they don't the BEast has issues beyond 1-3. Very upsetting.
Meh. Somebody has to finish 9th.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2023, 06:51:51 PM
Meh. Somebody has to finish 9th.
You're not seeing things clearly. X can't be a complete disaster. Because we know how bad DePaul, Gtown, and The Hall are not to mention Nova's probs. This is unfortunate news and needs to be flipped tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2023, 06:56:47 PM
You're not seeing things clearly. X can't be a complete disaster. Because we know how bad DePaul, Gtown, and The Hall are not to mention Nova's probs. This is unfortunate news and needs to be flipped tonight.
MU will be racking up a lot of wins in conference play. It's pretty top heavy.
8. Seton Hall
9. X
10. Hoyas
11. DePaul.
Simple.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2023, 07:04:54 PM
8. Seton Hall
9. X
10. Hoyas
11. DePaul.
Simple.
To hell with Xavier
0.0 excuses if you lose to the Blue Hens at home. That cannot happen. Ever.
No excuses. Delaware is playing better. And how dare you disparage Blue Hens.
8 conference wins
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2023, 07:18:59 PM
No excuses. Delaware is playing better. And how dare you disparage Blue Hens.
8 conference wins
My apologies for disparaging the Bliue Hens.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2023, 06:46:05 PM
Sweet Jesus! Delaware?? WTF is happening to the world? XU must wake up Tower. Immediately.
Very disappointing. Rough home losses to Oakland and now Delaware. Cincinnati on Saturday
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 05, 2023, 07:23:01 PM
Very disappointing. Rough home losses to Oakland and now Delaware. Cincinnati on Saturday
Terrible.
They tried hard and exercised sportsmanship.
Not a good start tonight for the BEast. Extremely disappointing.
Looking more and more like a 4 bid league max
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
Not a good start tonight for the BEast. Extremely disappointing.
I'll take it. We still have the opportunity to get solid W's verse UConn and Creighton. Our non-con schedule was also a beast.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 05, 2023, 07:32:09 PM
Looking more and more like a 4 bid league max
I'll take the over.
SJU or Providence.
Butler needs someone to go for 45 against Buffalo.
Big east won't get 5. This conference sucks minus the 3 top 10 teams.
Wisconsin and Illinois got big wins today. Marquettes resume will be fine no matter what.
Nova just got daggered
This league keeps taking hits.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
Nova just got daggered
This league keeps taking hits.
Ughhh. That absolutely sucked.
Wow he actually about got all the way to the rim
But Nova misses.
Nova made an awful hire. First class program and hired an absolute nobody.
They switched Lance Ware on Tylor Perry on KSUs final possession down by 2.
Villanova with an awful shot at end of regulation.
Tonight was an indictment on Kyle Neptune. Nova has some talent, but they don't realize the other guys in black are there to help them. No team play whatsoever. Too much one on one, isolation, poor shot selection. Guys would rather go 1-on-3 than dish to an open teammate. Hard team to watch.
Agree with Brewcity. Kyle Neptune is not the answer. No movement on offense - just one on one and hope for the best. Hard to watch.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 05, 2023, 08:14:05 PM
They switched Lance Ware on Tylor Perry on KSUs final possession down by 2.
Villanova said I Can Do Bad All By Myself.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on December 05, 2023, 08:28:40 PM
Agree with Brewcity. Kyle Neptune is not the answer. No movement on offense - just one on one and hope for the best. Hard to watch.
You need to at least do a search. You can't just hire who the departing coach prefers.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 05, 2023, 08:39:49 PM
You need to at least do a search. You can't just hire who the departing coach prefers.
Bucky did
Clingan hasn't been particularly impressive to this point in the season.
After SH loses to Baylor, the B12 will be up 7 to 3 over the BE .
Not good.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 05, 2023, 09:38:33 PM
After SH loses to Baylor, the B12 will be up 7 to 3 over the BE .
Not good.
Not at all. UCONN is also falling apart.
Clingan might want to focus. He just mucked a easy dunk.
UCONN woke up.
UConn very impressive, very good offense with a lot of weapons.
Best passing team I have seen this year.
Been traveling on business and didn't see any of the games.
The good news is Butler and U Conn did their jobs .
The bad news is the X , Nova, The Hall and English Enterprises stunk out the joint. This does not help the The Big East cause . Kyle Neptune in particular is a bad hire .
I guess the theory is MU will have an easier time of things come conference play. Offsetting this notion is the dollars and cents of lost NCAA bids.
Even more troubling is this lousy non conference is coming when The Big East TV contract is uo for renewal
MU needs to do its part and brand the Longhorns
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2023, 06:56:47 PM
You're not seeing things clearly. X can't be a complete disaster. Because we know how bad DePaul, Gtown, and The Hall are not to mention Nova's probs. This is unfortunate news and needs to be flipped tonight.
Xavier is a very injured teamm mate.
I watched the end of the K State / Villanova game, and Neptune got completely outcoached in the overtime. Nova played without their point guard (don't know why) but still should have won the game in OT and had a good chance to do so if Neptune had been a coach instead of a cheerleader.
It was interesting to see the KSU coach playing DaDa Ames in critical minutes down the stretch. As I remember, Ames visited MU and was thought to be a heavy MU lean before Shaka got Tre Norman. Ames looked good for KSU, and the coach obviously has confidence in him.
Then I watched a good bit of the Baylor / SH game. Baylor is very impressive. Very athletic and a great passing team. SH was never really in the game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2023, 06:56:47 PM
You're not seeing things clearly. X can't be a complete disaster. Because we know how bad DePaul, Gtown, and The Hall are not to mention Nova's probs. This is unfortunate news and needs to be flipped tonight.
When you say things like "needs to be flipped tonight" what exact steps should we Scoopers be taking to insure this happens? Clearly we failed yesterday, what's the five point plan the posters on this site can follow to flip these performances by non-Marquette programs?
https://twitter.com/joearruda9/status/1732484591837991324
I have a strong feeling this will get posted by some Big East teams to create a chip on the shoulder. All this coming from a freshman with no Big East experience.
Quote from: zcg2013 on December 06, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/joearruda9/status/1732484591837991324
I have a strong feeling this will get posted by some Big East teams to create a chip on the shoulder. All this coming from a freshman with no Big East experience.
He got the narrative mixed up since last year's story was the complete opposite for them.
SJU should be OK tonight.
DePaul down 30 with 2 minutes left in the first half
DePaul has cut it to 28 with :50 seconds left in the first half
3 win season for them
A&M up 32 at half over DePaul
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 06, 2023, 12:36:38 AM
Been traveling on business and didn't see any of the games.
The good news is Butler and U Conn did their jobs .
The bad news is the X , Nova, The Hall and English Enterprises stunk out the joint. This does not help the The Big East cause . Kyle Neptune in particular is a bad hire .
I guess the theory is MU will have an easier time of things come conference play. Offsetting this notion is the dollars and cents of lost NCAA bids.
Even more troubling is this lousy non conference is coming when The Big East TV contract is uo for renewal
MU needs to do its part and brand the Longhorns
How does a ghost travel?
DePaul winning the second half so far. Down 28 with 12 minutes to go.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 06, 2023, 12:36:38 AM
Even more troubling is this lousy non conference is coming when The Big East TV contract is uo for renewal
I'm not troubled by this at all. I'm a fan of a great basketball team.
I can't wait to watch Louisville vs DePaul. Hell, I may get tickets to watch that monstrosity.
Excellent win by The Johnnies .
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 06, 2023, 10:48:50 PM
I can't wait to watch Louisville vs DePaul. Hell, I may get tickets to watch that monstrosity.
From ESPN:
Louisville
@
DePaul
2:00 PM
FS1
Tickets as low as $2
Wintrust Arena, Chicago, IL
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 09, 2023, 05:13:52 AM
From ESPN:
Louisville
@
DePaul
2:00 PM
FS1
Tickets as low as $2
Wintrust Arena, Chicago, IL
What is StubHub's cut on a $2 ticket?
$2.50
Louisville a shocking plus 2. Seems like free money to me. Put the house on them
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 09, 2023, 05:13:52 AM
From ESPN:
Louisville
@
DePaul
2:00 PM
FS1
Tickets as low as $2
Wintrust Arena, Chicago, IL
Do you pay Stubhub or do they pay you?
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9d/01/43/9d0143aef0bc003d628fc228453f747d.jpg)
Butler attempting to bend the rim and damage the backboard with scuds so far against Cal.
Arkansas Pine Bluff hanging with UConn through the first 11.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2023, 11:26:28 AM
Butler attempting to bend the rim and damage the backboard with scuds so far against Cal.
Arkansas Pine Bluff hanging with UConn through the first 11.
Yikes.
APB will ultimately be done in by foul trouble.
Mr. Cooley needs to win this one at Home today versus Cuse. Cuse starting to pull away.
Gtown going down
Another non conference L for the BE.
After the top 3 there's a whole lot of
Nothing in the conference
And Cooley just call a time out down
14 (!) ... w / 22 secs to go.
Poor.
Butler and Uconn in control after early struggles.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2023, 12:35:53 PM
Butler and Uconn in control after early struggles.
I guess we shouldn't overreact until the game is over
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 09, 2023, 12:30:06 PM
Gtown going down
Another non conference L for the BE.
After the top 3 there's a whole lot of
Nothing in the conference
Mr Cooley screwing The Big East
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 09, 2023, 12:47:25 PM
Mr Cooley screwing The Big East
Ed Cooley was 15-17 and 4-14 in his first season at Providence. In the third year, they won the Big East tournament.
Butler/Cal going down to the wire. Yikes.
You can't allow a 3 there if you're Butler.
Butler couldn't close it out , heading to overtime
Butler couldn't close it out. Heading to Double Overtime. Entertaining game.
Two key stops in a row for Butler. Hope they can pull away
Whew. That would have sucked for the conf.
Bulldogs got it done in Second Overtime. Matta has his squad well organized and they have some talent . Fans are responding, it is very loud in Hinkle again . Going to be fun when MU plays there
Quote from: Johnny B on December 09, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
Louisville a shocking plus 2. Seems like free money to me. Put the house on them
Ooof
Day drinking?
Soon
How Payne has not been fired yet is incredible.
Enjoying Dickie Simpkins on The Blue Demons Cardinals game
said no one...
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 09, 2023, 02:21:32 PM
Enjoying Dickie Simpkins on The Blue Demons Cardinals game
Blue Demons playing for draft position.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2023, 02:37:56 PM
Blue Demons playing for draft position.
If DePaul wins, I say they should be allowed to join the ACC
Louisville will recover, but man that's gonna be some project for whoever comes after Payne.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 09, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Louisville will recover, but man that's gonna be some project for whoever comes after Payne.
Still a good job. Whoever they hire will have all the resources in the world. Nate Oats feels like a fit here. I'm sure Dusty May will be a popular name, too.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2023, 02:57:59 PM
Still a good job. Whoever they hire will have all the resources in the world. Nate Oats feels like a fit here. I'm sure Dusty May will be a popular name, too.
Don't forget about Shaka
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 09, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
Don't forget about Shaka
I think he'd kill it there. Give us a chance to bring Brian Wardle home
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
I think he'd kill it there. Give us a chance to bring Brian Wardle home
Nice!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 09, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Louisville will recover, but man that's gonna be some project for whoever comes after Payne.
7 years to judge
Quote from: Johnny B on December 09, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
Louisville a shocking plus 2. Seems like free money to me. Put the house on them
Homeless?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2023, 03:08:15 PM
7 years to judge
Brutal, absolutely brutal. But it made me laugh.
Solid win for The Blue Demons over an ACC squad.
Me, neither.
Excellent running up the score win for The Blue Jays. Helps The Big East cause.
How long is Moore out? He's had some bad injury luck.
X with a spirited performance against cross town rival Bearcats. Hopefully, they can continue playing well down the stretch.
(https://i.imgur.com/pZdwjG7.gif)
I'm kinda rooting for UCLA over Nova....I know BE wins are best because they lift all in conference ....but if UCLA can prove an even higher quality non conf win, that feels good.( Of course MU is not hurting for high quality non conf wins!)
I think Stefanovic for UCLA had a great half against us. But hes been horrendous tonight
Hausen has Rowsey range
X really helped The Big East cause with their win over The Bearcats
Neptune redeemed himself a bit with its win over The Bruins
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 09, 2023, 09:15:59 PM
Neptune redeemed himself a bit woth To ifjts win over The Bruins
Yes.
The Hall missed an opportunity for a quality win losing to The Scarlet Knights
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 09, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Louisville will recover, but man that's gonna be some project for whoever comes after Payne.
I could see that being the next step for Beard and them being a monster by year 2.
English Enterprises with solid rivalry win over The Brown Bears. Move to 8-2 Non Conference . (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oLsAAOSw5p9hDLRS/s-l1200.jpg)
https://nypost.com/2023/12/10/sports/rick-pitinos-culture-rebuild-at-st-johns-started-with-drissa-traore/
St John's might want to wake up. This would be a bad loss for the BEast.
Pitino not holding up his end of the bargain.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
Pitino not holding up his end of the bargain.
Are you betting against him about 6 weeks into his first season there? If so, good luck to you.
Not at all. All timer.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2023, 05:58:43 PM
Not at all. All timer.
I wish this would be his one coaching failure.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 10, 2023, 05:59:39 PM
I wish this would be his one coaching failure.
He's had multiple coaching failures.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 10, 2023, 05:59:39 PM
I wish this would be his one coaching failure.
Season is far from over but they are def behind the 8 ball.
Will need to win 2 against us/Creighton/Uconn without assuming any potential other disaster losses as well.
I don't know why this board keeps acting like the big east is some juggernaut. Outside of Marquette UConn and creighton there's literally no one else. If nova lost to UCLA yesterday they would probably be on the outside looking in at this point. Only other team is Providence who is maybe a 10 seed at best. I get wanting to have a strong conference to boost Marquettes resume but the rest of the league is just downright bad.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 10, 2023, 06:26:05 PM
I don't know why this board keeps acting like the big east is some juggernaut. Outside of Marquette UConn and creighton there's literally no one else. If nova lost to UCLA yesterday they would probably be on the outside looking in at this point. Only other team is Providence who is maybe a 10 seed at best. I get wanting to have a strong conference to boost Marquettes resume but the rest of the league is just downright bad.
It's been rough Howard outside of the presumed top 3. I think 4-9 there are teams with potential but XU has had injuries. Obviously Gtown and DePaul are cataclysmic disasters. I still think we can get 5 but it's been a roller coaster non-c for the BEast.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 10, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Season is far from over but they are def behind the 8 ball.
Will need to win 2 against us/Creighton/Uconn without assuming any potential other disaster losses as well.
I'll enjoy it while it lasts. Get them while you can still this year. He'll have them a contender soon.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2023, 06:47:39 PM
It's been rough Howard outside of the presumed top 3. I think 4-9 there are teams with potential but XU has had injuries. Obviously Gtown and DePaul are cataclysmic disasters. I still think we can get 5 but it's been a roller coaster non-c for the BEast.
If we get 5 it will likely have to come at the expense of a few seed lines for the Top-3 teams. They might need some resume building wins over the top of the conference. Here's hoping they dont get them at marquettes expense
Wrong thread
Quote from: Carl on December 10, 2023, 07:16:49 PM
If we get 5 it will likely have to come at the expense of a few seed lines for the Top-3 teams. They might need some resume building wins over the top of the conference. Here's hoping they dont get them at marquettes expense
You could be right....I just don't know.
BE will get 5 in.
3 locks. With the other 2 being whichever teams get 4/5 in the league standings. Prov and Nova having the best chances.
SJU and Butler would get in if they won enough to finish 4th or 5th.
You make a valid point. In another thread, the relative mediocrity of the B1G is being discussed. Who is going to make the argument there is 5-7 tourney worthy teams there?
Let the season and the league sort itself.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2023, 06:47:39 PM
It's been rough Howard outside of the presumed top 3. I think 4-9 there are teams with potential but XU has had injuries. Obviously Gtown and DePaul are cataclysmic disasters.
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one,
no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE for the next two years and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But as Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
I agree with your assessment that Cooley will turn things around. I think most on this board would agree as well. The Big East is a better brand with Georgetown doing well. Lots of good coaches in this league though. It won't be easy for any program to dominate on a yearly basis. Should be some great battles ahead.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
Georgetown went through its version of the Dukiet years with Ewing. The Hoyas are in a FAR better position now in terms of facilities, resources, etc., than MU was when O'Neill took the reins. And yes, the portal, which Cooley has utilized extremely well in the past, makes the rebuild potentially much faster and easier.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 11, 2023, 10:51:23 AM
Georgetown went through its version of the Dukiet years with Ewing. The Hoyas are in a FAR better position now in terms of facilities, resources, etc., than MU was when O'Neill took the reins. And yes, the portal, which Cooley has utilized extremely well in the past, makes the rebuild potentially much faster and easier.
He also has a good class coming in next year. 247 has them at 11. It'll get there, but he did not have much in terms of on-the-court talent upon arrival.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
Cooley
obviously (word and emphasis for Muggsy) cannot turn Georgetown around in one season, but I have no doubt that he will succeed. The annual trip to DC for the MU/GT game that my wife and I make may result in MU -some year in the future- being on the wrong side of the final score. As you (essentially) said....I will enjoy watching with full confidence of a W while I can.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
Hurley said that a couple years after UCONN had won a national championship.
People have been getting Georgetown for over a decade now.
Quote from: withoutbias on December 11, 2023, 01:18:32 PM
Hurley said that a couple years after UCONN had won a national championship.
People have been getting Georgetown for over a decade now.
Hurley's quote was from 2020. UConn won the title in 2023.
https://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/dan-hurley-quote-viral-uconn-ncaa-national-championship
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 12, 2023, 12:13:53 AM
Hurley's quote was from 2020. UConn won the title in 2023.
https://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/dan-hurley-quote-viral-uconn-ncaa-national-championship
Right. And 6 years prior to that UCONN had won a national title. 4 years prior they went 25-11. Heck, they were 14-18 the last year Ollie was the coach there. They were A LOT further from the bottom than what Georgetown is and has been.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
Does Cooley report directly to the school pres like Ewing did?
Always thought that was such a strange arrangement.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 12, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
Does Cooley report directly to the school pres like Ewing did? Always thought that was such a strange arrangement.
This is an outgrowth of Georgetown employing only part-time coaches well into the 1960s. When the first full time coach was hired in 1967, he was put in an University org chart through the dean of students, not athletics. As a result, the AD would not work with the coach unless the coach reported to him, and the coach could not get Student Affairs to make any changes on his behalf because he wasn't in residence life, which was their primary mission. The Jesuit president at the time would not engage in business with anyone who was not a direct report of his (none of them were), so it went nowhere for six years.
On his way out the door in 1972, Jack Magee told the new coach, John Thompson, to ask to report to the president instead, and Thompson took him up on the suggestion. It's been that way since.
Seton Hall in a grind with Monmouth. Holloway frustrated with team focus.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2023, 07:03:26 PM
Seton Hall in a grind with Monmouth. Holloway frustrated with team focus.
It will be a good experience for them.
I understand why Georgetown doesn't want to play at McDonough, but this crowd is embarrassing. Would the Big East let them play a couple of these week night non-conference games on campus?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 12, 2023, 07:53:13 PM
I understand why Georgetown doesn't want to play at McDonough, but this crowd is embarrassing. Would the Big East let them play a couple of these week night non-conference games on campus?
Another night of "Count The Fans". Georgetown's friends at Capital One Arena (well, friends for now if you've been following that news...) won't allow any games on-campus as part of its "all or nothing" contract. Georgetown pays MSG-level rates to rent the building for games like this.
Georgetown is losing millions on basketball and people don't get it.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_705.jpg)
Solid wins for The Hall and Hoyas tonight.
Yes, monster home wins for Georgetown over the 1-11 Coppin State Eagles—quite literally the worst team in division one basketball—and Seton Hall over the 246th ranked Monmouth Hawks. https://barttorvik.com/# (https://barttorvik.com/#)
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39100527/ted-leonsis-plans-move-wizards-capitals-virginia
I wonder if this changes anything for Georgetown? I suppose their current lease agreement at Capital One will dictate things, but perhaps they'll have more leverage as one of the few remaining tenants?
Highly doubt they'll move to Alexandria with the Wiz and Caps. Not because it's far from campus, but because they won't want to pay even more for the same turnout.
Does the Big East have minimum capacity requirements for an arena? I kind of suspect that Georgetown would not be permitted to play their home games at McDonough which is really is no better than most high school gyms -- and a lot worse than many.
I wonder if they could play where the Mystics play...but that is an awful long way from campus. It's a 4,000 seat arena which is plenty for the team right now. I'm sure they don't want the blow to their ego -- they're a big time team, damnit! But it's silly to repeatedly play in front of fewer than 1000 people in a 20,000 seat arena.
The current SeatGeek prices for Hoyas' home conference games: Creighton ("from" $5); DePaul - a Saturday game ($4); Seton Hall ($4); Butler ($6); Marquette (Saturday) ($24); UConn (Saturday) ($31); Villanova (Friday) ($40); St. John's ($13); Xavier (Saturday) ($17); Providence ($23)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 13, 2023, 08:05:32 AM
Does the Big East have minimum capacity requirements for an arena?
Don't know the answer to that, but Hall has been playing a game or two at Walsh Gymnasium (cap. 1300) the last couple seasons, including one vs. St Johns.
https://shupirates.com/facilities/walsh-gymnasium/1
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 12, 2023, 10:18:21 PM
Solid wins for The Hall and Hoyas tonight.
Saw only a couple minutes of GT, but Seton Hall was an embarrassment to themselves and the BE. Very sloppy bball, and a far cry from the disciplined, focused St. Peters, the giant killer a couple of years ago.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 13, 2023, 08:05:32 AM
Does the Big East have minimum capacity requirements for an arena? I kind of suspect that Georgetown would not be permitted to play their home games at McDonough which is really is no better than most high school gyms -- and a lot worse than many.
I wonder if they could play where the Mystics play...but that is an awful long way from campus. It's a 4,000 seat arena which is plenty for the team right now. I'm sure they don't want the blow to their ego -- they're a big time team, damnit! But it's silly to repeatedly play in front of fewer than 1000 people in a 20,000 seat arena.
The current SeatGeek prices for Hoyas' home conference games: Creighton ("from" $5); DePaul - a Saturday game ($4); Seton Hall ($4); Butler ($6); Marquette (Saturday) ($24); UConn (Saturday) ($31); Villanova (Friday) ($40); St. John's ($13); Xavier (Saturday) ($17); Providence ($23)
I think a certain amount need to be in at 10k arena. From what I recall someone posted that about why Gonzaga couldn't join
Quote from: Skip Intro on December 13, 2023, 07:09:30 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39100527/ted-leonsis-plans-move-wizards-capitals-virginia
I wonder if this changes anything for Georgetown? I suppose their current lease agreement at Capital One will dictate things, but perhaps they'll have more leverage as one of the few remaining tenants?
Highly doubt they'll move to Alexandria with the Wiz and Caps. Not because it's far from campus, but because they won't want to pay even more for the same turnout.
I saw in an article that Monumental would continue to own and operate Capital One Arena. But I can't see them putting much money, if anything, into it when they want to get the other venue online for events outside of basketball and hockey.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 13, 2023, 09:45:26 AM
I think a certain amount need to be in at 10k arena. From what I recall someone posted that about why Gonzaga couldn't join
Hinkle gets an exception?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 13, 2023, 09:49:45 AM
Hinkle gets an exception?
Maybe? Idk for some reason I recall reading that and it's been in my head for years now.
A future agreement with Georgetown was conspicuously not mentioned for either the Alexandria arena nor the MECCA-like future envisioned downtown. That's a troubling sign coming from an owner who graduated from Georgetown and sent his son there for an MBA...and hired its former head coach for a high priced executive job.
https://theorg.com/org/monumentalsports/org-chart/john-thompson-iii.
Didn't Shaheen say he had the best backcourt in the Big East (or maybe even the country)? That's lol funny stuff.
Cameron doesn't seat 10K either.
But I'm thinking that if Duke and Gonzaga said tomorrow that they've worked out all logistics and want to join the Big East, they'd be welcomed with open arms.
It's all about TV eyeballs, no?
Quote from: MU82 on December 13, 2023, 10:58:59 AM
But I'm thinking that if Duke and Gonzaga said tomorrow that they've worked out all logistics and want to join the Big East, they'd be welcomed with open arms.
Val Ackerman has suggested that Gonzaga may not be worth the squeeze as far as the BE presidents are thinking.
Duke would be, of course but that's a long painful road that Duke, Wake Forest, and frankly BC and Syracuse would have to take to walk away from P4 football.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 13, 2023, 11:07:39 AM
Val Ackerman has suggested that Gonzaga may not be worth the squeeze as far as the BE presidents are thinking.
Duke would be, of course but that's a long painful road that Duke, Wake Forest, and frankly BC and Syracuse would have to take to walk away from P4 football.
What do you mean by "not worth the squeeze"? I hadn't heard that term before.
Quote from: MU82 on December 13, 2023, 11:36:45 AM
What do you mean by "not worth the squeeze"? I hadn't heard that term before.
You've never heard the phrase, "the juice isn't worth the squeeze"? I'm assuming that is what Hoya was referring to. It's fairly common, I think. In other words, the benefit isn't worth the effort/cost.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 13, 2023, 11:43:33 AM
You've never heard the phrase, "the juice isn't worth the squeeze"? I'm assuming that is what Hoya was referring to. It's fairly common, I think. In other words, the benefit isn't worth the effort/cost.
I haven't. Thanks for explaining.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 13, 2023, 10:03:10 AM
Didn't Shaheen say he had the best backcourt in the Big East (or maybe even the country)? That's lol funny stuff.
I believe he said from the neck down, indicating they were physically talented but not very mentally savvy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2023, 01:23:14 PM
I believe he said from the neck down, indicating they were physically talented but not very mentally savvy.
Thank God he didn't say from the waist down
Cray-in down by 10 with 17 minutes left with UNLV.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 13, 2023, 09:11:26 PM
Cray-in down by 10 with 17 minutes left with UNLV.
I'm thinking they're not actually very good.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on December 13, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
I'm thinking they're not actually very good.
They're a good team but once again too dependent on hitting threes.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on December 13, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
I'm thinking they're not actually very good.
Creighton's never been a consistent road team, which dooms them in the Big East tournament every year.
Were the NCAA's played in Omaha, they're a Final Four team.
Creighton looks like toast.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2023, 09:25:24 PM
Creighton looks like toast.
They really don't look the part of a top 10 team.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 13, 2023, 09:28:10 PM
They really don't look the part of a top 10 team.
Southern took out UNLV convincingly.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2023, 09:32:36 PM
Southern took out UNLV convincingly.
Wow did not know that.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 13, 2023, 09:41:52 PM
Wow did not know that.
I think they said this was the first game back for one of the unlv bigs, but no excuse for Creighton to look like garbage.
Yeah Creighton is good when they are cooking and can get you on any night(hopefully not at Fiserv in a a couple games)
But depth wise they are just not close to us or Uconn.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 13, 2023, 09:46:53 PM
Yeah Creighton is good when they are cooking and can get you on any night(hopefully not at Fiserv in a a couple games)
But depth wise they are just not close to us or Uconn.
This is McDermott's faillure every year - they never have a good bench.
What shocked me most was how well the UNLV big played against Kalk.
Also, I think Kolek is going to cook Ashworth, unless McDermott tries to hit him on Stevie. Not great on D for him.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 11, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
No one is saying that about Georgetown, at least where it is headed. Patrick Ewing left such an empty cupboard that he didn't even bother signing up for an MTE in 2023 or 2024 and did not have a single recruit signed when he left. As such, Ed Cooley is left with five walk-ons (four of whom had never played in college), a starting center from Fairfield, and a team that doesn't have a lot of team skills yet.
Yes, Georgetown lost to Syracuse. No one, no one walked out of that arena complaining about it. It's all on an upward trajectory even if MU is a 20-25 point favorite next week. But Cooley has a Top 15 recruiting class signed and that's before the portal.
As Dan Hurley said it a few years ago, get us now.
He poster you're quoting speaks in hyperbole all the time. It's sort of his thing.
McDermott screwed the Big East
Creighton is so incredibly three-reliant. More than half their attempts come from beyond the arc, so when they don't shoot well, they lose. In their 8 wins, they shot 34.5% or better from three, in their two losses they shot 27.6% or worse.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 13, 2023, 09:48:19 PM
This is McDermott's faillure every year - they never have a good bench.
Too many players leaving the plantation.
Quote from: zcg2013 on December 13, 2023, 11:23:02 PM
What shocked me most was how well the UNLV big played against Kalk.
One of the more overrated players in college basketball.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2023, 09:11:03 AM
Creighton is so incredibly three-reliant. More than half their attempts come from beyond the arc, so when they don't shoot well, they lose. In their 8 wins, they shot 34.5% or better from three, in their two losses they shot 27.6% or worse.
I completely agree with this, but am a bit surprised that they don't run more post ups for Alexander or Scheyerman when it's obvious the threes aren't falling.
Pitino in promotional mode
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/12/giants-tommy-devito-st-johns-rick-pitino-offer
Solid win for Butler . Game was versus D2 Saginaw Valley so result is not reflected in NET rankings . However, the younger bench players got lots of playing time.
I'll go ahead and say it. UConn has a better basketball team than we do. They look awesome. We won most the battles last year, they obviously won the war. We have our work cut out for us for the BE titles, glad they separate conferences in the big bracket.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 15, 2023, 09:21:32 PM
Solid win for Butler . Game was versus D2 Saginaw Valley so result is not reflected in NET rankings . However, the younger bench players got lots of playing time.
Yea sure
Quote from: Carl on December 15, 2023, 10:00:30 PM
I'll go ahead and say it. UConn has a better basketball team than we do. They look awesome. We won most the battles last year, they obviously won the war. We have our work cut out for us for the BE titles, glad they separate conferences in the big bracket.
100%. Watching the Gonzaga game, UConn is REALLY GOOD. Inside, outside. Hurley knows it.
Not discrediting UConn but Gonzaga isn't all that. They have beat literally no one worth even mentioning.
There's no question UConn deserves the higher rank and to be slight Big East favorites, even with returning conference champs MU having an impressive start to the season.
Well in fairness it helps if you hit 7-8 from downtown. Before tonight UCONN had similar 3pt numbers to us.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 15, 2023, 10:05:41 PM
Not discrediting UConn but Gonzaga isn't all that. They have beat literally no one worth even mentioning.
They don't look great defensively.
When UConn is hitting threes I don't know how you deal with them.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 15, 2023, 10:05:41 PM
Not discrediting UConn but Gonzaga isn't all that. They have beat literally no one worth even mentioning.
Gonzaga has a bunch of nice players, but no real game changers.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2023, 10:13:04 PM
They don't look great defensively.
When UConn is hitting threes I don't know how you deal with them.
True but MU has the ability to turn them over like we did Kansas. The question is whether we can find our peak level offensively with all 5 guys on the floor contributing.
Uconn is really good. And like others are saying if they are hitting shots its basically good night. Men against boys this game
But yes, Zags are also overrated as hell. They have been top 12 all year basically and were just 7th ahead of us. They are more like top 20.
They dont have guards. Its Nembhard(inconsistent efficiency) and Hickman. After that, Ive fielded 8 calls from Few asking if I have eligibility.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 15, 2023, 10:05:41 PM
Not discrediting UConn but Gonzaga isn't all that. They have beat literally no one worth even mentioning.
If Gonzaga doesn't beat both San Diego State and Kentucky, they don't deserve an at large bid (assuming this UCONN game continues).
Gonzaga's zone has a few issues. LOL.
Will be interesting to see if UCONN has any chinks in the armor before we see them. Playing them so late adds a bit of drama.
UCONN's guards are not great ball handlers.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 15, 2023, 10:07:38 PM
There's no question UConn deserves the higher rank and to be slight Big East favorites, even with returning conference champs MU having an impressive start to the season.
COLE.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 15, 2023, 10:56:32 PM
COLE.
UConn is performing like the best team in the country. MU is performing more like a top five team. I think MU's a legitimate national title contender, with similar odds of winning it all to UConn. None of that is COLE.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 15, 2023, 11:01:50 PM
UConn is performing like the best team in the country. MU is performing more like a top five team. I think MU's a legitimate national title contender, with similar odds of winning it all to UConn. None of that is COLE.
Why you being so COLE? I would expect better from you.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 15, 2023, 11:02:55 PM
Why you being so COLE? I would expect better from you.
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MU and UConn had two common non conference opponents. MU went 2-0 with 2 blow out wins. UConn went 1-1 with a close win and a close loss. MU won the series last year and returns more. Suggesting that MU is not the conference favorite is COLE. The fact that you can't see that means you are COLE to the core. I would expect better from you.
It both simultaneously sucks and is awesome that we have to wait until February to see these two teams match up. Those are going to be some incredibly intense games down the stretch run.
I think we have the edge right now, mostly because Oso is better than Clingan and I don't think they have anyone who can guard Tyler. The big question is whether Castle turns into a real player as the season goes along. If Castle can be a threat alongside Newton and Spencer, they'll be a monster.
Excellent win for U Conn. Looking forward to the opportunity to beat them.
Hurley has done a great job filling out his roster this year and has helped out the team immensely. Just a different approach than Shaka, who of course only lost one key player.
UCONN lost Hawkins, Sanogo and Alleyne, all key participants in last years run. Hurley filled out the roster through the portal with addition of Spencer, who is going for 16 ppg and 45% from three. He also is playing two freshman, Castle and Ball, who get about 20 minutes each per game and big man Johnson, who hardly played at all last year, is giving Clingnan some breaks in each half.
Shaka didn't make a portal move, probably believing Joplin could take the Omax role and Ross take the last year's version of Joplin role. MU's freshman, well mainly Norman, basically don't play over three minutes a game.
Looking forward to BE play and the matchups between UCONN, Creighton, Providence and even Nova playing out.
Quote from: nyg on December 16, 2023, 08:01:01 AM
Hurley has done a great job filling out his roster this year and has helped out the team immensely. Just a different approach than Shaka, who of course only lost one key player.
UCONN lost Hawkins, Sanogo and Alleyne, all key participants in last years run. Hurley filled out the roster through the portal with addition of Spencer, who is going for 16 ppg and 45% from three. He also is playing two freshman, Castle and Ball, who get about 20 minutes each per game and big man Johnson, who hardly played at all last year, is giving Clingnan some breaks in each half.
Shaka didn't make a portal move, probably believing Joplin could take the Omax role and Ross take the last year's version of Joplin role. MU's freshman, well mainly Norman, basically don't play over three minutes a game.
Looking forward to BE play and the matchups between UCONN, Creighton, Providence and even Nova playing out.
The Danny Hurley discourse here the last few years always bemused me. Dude can build rosters and coach. He did great work at Rhode Island, a place where bad basketball is a way of life much more often than not. As long as he is at UConn, they will be a force.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2023, 08:07:40 AM
The Danny Hurley discourse here the last few years always bemused me. Dude can build rosters and coach. He did great work at Rhode Island, a place where bad basketball is a way of life much more often than not. As long as he is at UConn, they will be a force.
That's one reason brought it up after watching UCONN a few times. Just a different philosophy than Shaka in roster rebuilding and after three significant player losses from an NCAA Championship, they are right back in the mix. Not a criticism of Shaka in any sense, he appears to be a player development type of coach, not an immediate impact player roster filler. That may be a good thing for each year down the road, see how it works out next year when MU has probable significant players gone. But this year, UCONN going to be a handful and can't wait for MU first matchup.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on December 16, 2023, 12:07:13 AM
It both simultaneously sucks and is awesome that we have to wait until February to see these two teams match up. Those are going to be some incredibly intense games down the stretch run.
I think we have the edge right now, mostly because Oso is better than Clingan and I don't think they have anyone who can guard Tyler. The big question is whether Castle turns into a real player as the season goes along. If Castle can be a threat alongside Newton and Spencer, they'll be a monster.
I'm not sure we have the edge but it's a great match-up with contrasting styles. We have to turn them over (and get more possessions that way) because they're an excellent rebounding team. Newton has also played incredible basketball through the non-conf. The guy that really worries me is Caraban because he can go inside and out. He's really tough to defend, especially on switches.
If UCONN makes threes no one is beating them. That said if we take care of the ball, and win the turns battle significantly, we can absolutely take them out. If our guards play like the best backcourt in America we can punk them for sure. But truthfully I think their ceiling is higher and they have a big advantage on the glass and defensively overall.
Quote from: nyg on December 16, 2023, 08:19:06 AM
That's one reason brought it up after watching UCONN a few times. Just a different philosophy than Shaka in roster rebuilding and after three significant player losses from an NCAA Championship, they are right back in the mix. Not a criticism of Shaka in any sense, he appears to be a player development type of coach, not an immediate impact player roster filler. That may be a good thing for each year down the road, see how it works out next year when MU has probable significant players gone. But this year, UCONN going to be a handful and can't wait for MU first matchup.
My hunch is, Shaka is flexible in roster construction but wants to develop first. The guys Hurley brought in as transfers aren't guys we'd tag as burger boys but solid college basketball players who have become studs at UConn.
Like you mentioned in your original post, Hurley is also getting minutes to Samson Johnson, a guy we could call developmental.
If Shaka gets a five star type to Marquette, they'll play as frosh. My hunch here is he'll get a few of these sooner than later
He may need a point guard next year, not sold on Norman yet and Jones is to small.
Quote from: nyg on December 16, 2023, 08:01:01 AM
Shaka didn't make a portal move, probably believing Joplin could take the Omax role and Ross take the last year's version of Joplin role. MU's freshman, well mainly Norman, basically don't play over three minutes a game.
If TKO, Oso, and Kam all leave after this year, I'd bet Shaka looks to the portal for some senior leadership, just as he did his first year.
Quote from: nyg on December 16, 2023, 08:01:01 AM
Hurley has done a great job filling out his roster this year and has helped out the team immensely. Just a different approach than Shaka, who of course only lost one key player.
UCONN lost Hawkins, Sanogo and Alleyne, all key participants in last years run. Hurley filled out the roster through the portal with addition of Spencer, who is going for 16 ppg and 45% from three. He also is playing two freshman, Castle and Ball, who get about 20 minutes each per game and big man Johnson, who hardly played at all last year, is giving Clingnan some breaks in each half.
Shaka didn't make a portal move, probably believing Joplin could take the Omax role and Ross take the last year's version of Joplin role. MU's freshman, well mainly Norman, basically don't play over three minutes a game.
Looking forward to BE play and the matchups between UCONN, Creighton, Providence and even Nova playing out.
Don't forget they also lost A jax. On the bucks now
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 16, 2023, 09:02:47 AM
He may need a point guard next year, not sold on Norman yet and Jones is to small.
You forgot Stevie
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2023, 08:07:40 AM
The Danny Hurley discourse here the last few years always bemused me. Dude can build rosters and coach. He did great work at Rhode Island, a place where bad basketball is a way of life much more often than not. As long as he is at UConn, they will be a force.
Well, you're as good as your record. And truth is that in his first four seasons as a P6 head coach, his record was very Wojo-like.
Doesn't mean he couldn't coach. He simply didn't win enough to merit all the accolades thrown his way. Obviously, in Year 5, he turned UConn back into a powerhouse, and he's built an enviable program.
And he's even become a little likable because of all the nice things he's said about Marquette - which truly pisses me off!
He is a good coach. He won a nattie, he has a team that can potentially go back to back. He seems to be doing it in a way I can respect. He admires and appreciated the Big East. Yes, he is an annoying little jag during games and has a face and demeanor that just begs to be punched. All of these things can be true.
Quote from: MU82 on December 16, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Well, you're as good as your record. And truth is that in his first four seasons as a P6 head coach, his record was very Wojo-like.
Doesn't mean he couldn't coach. He simply didn't win enough to merit all the accolades thrown his way. Obviously, in Year 5, he turned UConn back into a powerhouse, and he's built an enviable program.
And he's even become a little likable because of all the nice things he's said about Marquette - which truly pisses me off!
About that, I'd look at why his record was the way it was and his time at Rhode Island.
Like Shaka, he was building towards something great and sustainable.
We'll have this discourse with Cooley at G'Town as well, I'll wager. Growing pains, but if successful, sustainable greatness
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2023, 10:07:25 AM
He is a good coach. He won a nattie, he has a team that can potentially go back to back. He seems to be doing it in a way I can respect. He admires and appreciated the Big East. Yes, he is an annoying little jag during games and has a face and demeanor that just begs to be punched. All of these things can be true.
When I say discourse, I meant more coaching ability versus likability. There was a lot of chatter about him as a coach and not being a good one.
Please list the coaches that do NOT have ongoing discussions about their coaching ability. In history.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2023, 10:13:51 AM
Please list the coaches that do NOT have ongoing discussions about their coaching ability. In history.
Tex Winter
Hoyas need to get their act together in second half at South Bend
Solid win for English Enterprises over Sacred Heart. Seems like no games a given this year.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 16, 2023, 09:48:43 AM
You forgot Stevie
Kam has a better chance to play point then Stevie but would like to bring in a transfer which he should of this year to compete against Jop, mistake
As solid as MU's win over the Tommies
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2023, 02:38:27 PM
Solid win for English Enterprises over Sacred Heart. Seems like no games a given this year.
" solid win " over Sacred Heart ??
That's a ridiculous statement
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 16, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
" solid win " over Sacred Heart ??
That's a ridiculous statement
Dude says that after every win for any big east team wins
It's bait guys. Just ignore it.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 16, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
" solid win " over Sacred Heart ??
That's a ridiculous statement
It's just Hermie. There are over 300 games played by BE teams and he will make a cute comment on each one, like posters don't have any access to scores. Screws the BE, helps the "cause", blah.... Rest of the time it's just posts with random internet links attached or his prior woman sexual related interests and hardly anyone replies. Most here let him be and ignore.
Georgetown & Notre Dame going to OT somehow seems very appropriate.
Irish freshman Burton has a real chance at ACC rookie of the year .
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 16, 2023, 03:23:34 PM
Georgetown & Notre Dame going to OT somehow seems very appropriate.
It was smart of ND to reject MU's offer to renew the series. This is a more competitive level for them at this time.
Excellent win for Mr. Cooley. Helps The Big East cause , with road win at South Bend on CW Sports .
No doubt a massive, nationwide audience tuned into CW Sports for that one.
Losing to DePaul better or worse than losing to CSU? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: 1SE on December 16, 2023, 05:06:13 PM
Losing to DePaul better or worse than losing to CSU? Asking for a friend.
Blue blue
I turned the DePaul Northwestern game on and immediately fell asleep on my couch. Not kidding. I was asleep for several minutes and woke up to the same score. Plus I heard the color guy say"he had the ooh, but not the ahh" which was the same line he used when he worked the MU game when Chase missed a drive.
Seriously messing with my time awareness.
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 16, 2023, 05:20:00 PM
I turned the DePaul Northwestern game on and immediately fell asleep on my couch. Not kidding. I was asleep for several minutes and woke up to the same score. Plus I heard the color guy say"he had the ooh, but not the ahh" which was the same line he used when he worked the MU game when Chase missed a drive.
Seriously messing with my time awareness.
At one point there was 19 straight missed shots between NW and Depaul, at that point I switched to the Carolina game
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 16, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
" solid win " over Sacred Heart ??
That's a ridiculous statement
Respect the deceased!
Pitino had a plan...
https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/sports/st-johns-looks-to-fast-track-fix-abominable-defense/
Johnnies with an Emphatic Win
https://nypost.com/2023/12/16/sports/st-johns-defense-clamps-down-for-emphatic-win-over-fordham/amp/
Colossal win for Pitino's Johnnies over #203 ranked Fordham.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 16, 2023, 06:31:09 PM
Colossal win for Pitino's Johnnies over #203 ranked Fordham.
Best win of the noncon for the Big East
Tony Stubblefield: (Very) Blue.
7-4, DFW. Not the worst.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 16, 2023, 06:35:12 PM
Best win of the noncon for the Big East
It will greatly help BE
Kalkbrenner with an ankle injury.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2023, 07:29:37 PM
Kalkbrenner with an ankle injury.
How serious are we talking?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 16, 2023, 07:44:56 PM
How serious are we talking?
These things happen regularly on a plantation, I'm told
Done for the night. Alabama driving with impunity and crashing the boards.
Announcer pointed that Alabama body language was not good.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2023, 07:55:55 PM
Done for the night. Alabama driving with impunity and crashing the boards.
Ughhh. Very important for the Jays to get this game.
I hope everybody bet the over.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2023, 08:07:44 PM
I hope everybody bet the over.
As a Christian, I hope no one bet.
Not as bad as bearing false witness, but not good.
Kalk back in 2nd half, but Jays still struggling
Kalkbrenner back. Huh. Announcers got it wrong. My bad for believing them.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 16, 2023, 08:25:30 PM
Kalk back in 2nd half, but Jays still struggling
Kalk is a modern day TKO
Creighton better wake up.
Wow 54pts in the paint for Bama.
Creighton has room for improvement on free throws.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2023, 09:00:25 PM
Creighton has room for improvement on free throws.
No matta
Schiremann hooks all the time btw.
McD does not foul up 3.
That was about as in the basket as could be
Whew. Not calling Scheirman's push off for his 5th foul was good for the BEast. :)
It looked like the Creighton cheerleader was disappointed it didn't go in.Anybody else see that?
Excellent win for The Blue Jays. Crimson Tide are a very talented team.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on December 16, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
It looked like the Creighton cheerleader was disappointed it didn't go in.Anybody else see that?
I think she thought it was going in.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 16, 2023, 09:25:58 AM
If TKO, Oso, and Kam all leave after this year, I'd bet Shaka looks to the portal for some senior leadership, just as he did his first year.
No....he won't.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 16, 2023, 09:27:03 PM
No....he won't.
Why you think that? Team would be pretty young with 2 seniors who can barely score!
Creighton had to earn this one. Pringle is a good player and strongly disagreed getting charged with his fourth foul. He got chippy about it.
F four ... hey ... if all those guys leave,
Shaka better go to the portal ...
No way there's enuff talent left on the bench.
In fact ... he will regret not getting another guy ( big or shooter ) this year
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 16, 2023, 09:20:30 PM
Whew. Not calling Scheirman's push off for his 5th foul was good for the BEast. :)
Those fouls will never be called on Creighton in Omaha.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 16, 2023, 10:24:54 PM
Those fouls will never be called on Creighton in Omaha.
Well he hooks and pushes off with his off arm a lot and it's blatant.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 16, 2023, 10:11:41 PM
F four ... hey ... if all those guys leave,
Shaka better go to the portal ...
No way there's enuff talent left on the bench.
In fact ... he will regret not getting another guy ( big or shooter ) this year
Trust the process
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 16, 2023, 09:27:03 PM
No....he won't.
Yes he will. Doesn't mean he'll take anyone, but he will 1000% kick the tires on portal recruits
Quote from: Fred Garvin on December 16, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
It looked like the Creighton cheerleader was disappointed it didn't go in.Anybody else see that?
I didn't see that, did you record it for me?
The Hall is taking care of Mizzou.
Seton hall has too many self destructive guys on their roster, coach included, to be consistent - howeva lots of experienced talent on the team. They'll be a tough out this year.
We'll see. I am sure the SHUscoop game chat is a dystopian hellscape right now.
Hall scoring on 4 possessions in a row. Its over
SHU steadies the ship.
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
Depends on what were the expectations for each team
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 17, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Depends on what were the expectations for each team
You lost me. I'm asking who's the best team?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
Hard to say. Don't see a lot of separation in that group
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
You lost me. I'm asking whose the best team?
You haven't been paying attention, sorry my bad.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 17, 2023, 06:15:17 PM
Hard to say. Don't see a lot of separation in that group
Good way to say it.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 17, 2023, 06:15:18 PM
You haven't been paying attention, sorry my bad.
Muggsy doesn't need to get into the muck of the morons here. Guy just wants to talk roundball none of that other nonsense.
Prov
SJU
Butler
SHU
X
imo
Im pretty confident Prov is the overall best and X the worst.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
Butler
St. John's
Hall
PC
X
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2023, 06:17:41 PM
Muggsy doesn't need to get into the muck of the morons here. Guy just wants to talk roundball none of that other nonsense.
Ok, maybe I sounded too serious?
Quote from: Johnny B on December 17, 2023, 06:15:17 PM
Hard to say. Don't see a lot of separation in that group
This is pretty much where I'm at.
Excellent win for The Hall. It was the equivalent of a road win. However , it goes in the NET as a Neutral court . Next game The Hall hosting U Conn.
https://www.si.com/college/missouri/basketball/missouri-mens-basketball-falls-short-in-comeback-attempt-against-seton-hall-93-87
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
Right now, Providence. They also have the most high-end Big East level talent. But St. John's and Xavier have better coaches. Jury is still out on whether Matta is back (he had similar non-con success last year) and I think Sha is lucky Stubbs is here to keep him from being the worst coach in the league.
I could see Providence, St. John's, and Butler all potentially contending for bids. Not sure anyone else in that group can.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2023, 07:26:14 PM
Right now, Providence. They also have the most high-end Big East level talent. But St. John's and Xavier have better coaches. Jury is still out on whether Matta is back (he had similar non-con success last year) and I think Sha is lucky Stubbs is here to keep him from being the worst coach in the league.
I could see Providence, St. John's, and Butler all potentially contending for bids. Not sure anyone else in that group can.
Providence is going to struggle in this conference without a true big. Also don't have much of any depth.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2023, 07:52:51 PM
Providence is going to struggle in this conference without a true big. Also don't have much of any depth.
PU used the portal to get Josh Oduro from George Mason. 6ft 9 and is averaging 14ppg and 6 rpg.
Along with Carter and MU nemesis Hopkins, they should be very competitive and not be overlooked.
Quote from: nyg on December 17, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
PU used the portal to get Josh Oduro from George Mason. 6ft 9 and is averaging 14ppg and 6 rpg.
Along with Carter and MU nemesis Hopkins, they should be very competitive and not be overlooked.
Well aware of him - he's not quick enough or strong enough to guard Soriano, oso, kalkbrenner, Clingan.
I don't think anyone is overlooking PC and that doesn't change the fact that our A game will introduce them to darkness.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
Best team among Butler, The Hall, XU, Providence, St. John's?
The Friars have the best players among this group.
The Johnnies have the Best Coach . However they don't have competitive talent .
I like what I am seeing from Butler . Well coached , team moving the ball well and hustling. Players are very experienced .
The Hall is not a pretty team but will fight hard
X has an excellent coach with very weak talent
All of these teams will present tough road challenges
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 08:24:18 PM
I don't think anyone is overlooking PC and that doesn't change the fact that our A game will introduce them to darkness.
Why talk about darkness Christmas week?
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 17, 2023, 08:50:40 PM
Why talk about darkness Christmas week?
My apologies. I can be a bit hawkish.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 17, 2023, 06:15:18 PM
You haven't been paying attention, sorry my bad.
I'm convinced Muggsy is write only. Reading is unfathomable, unless it's directly at him. And then...lots of salt.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2023, 10:48:15 PM
I'm convinced Muggsy is write only. Reading is unfathomable, unless it's directly at him. And then...lots of salt.
That's not accurate.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2023, 11:23:08 PM
Only a little salt? :)
I suppose I may have missed something but try to read the responses. As far as the salt narrative/jokes? I believe my rant was fair on that topic.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2023, 11:29:02 PM
I suppose I may have missed something but try to read the responses. As far as the salt narrative/jokes? I believe my rant was fair on that topic.
Saltiness is in the eye of the beholder. Just giving you crap otherwise. Someone mentioned you were "prolific" (though I might have that phrasing wrong too) when you started posting here. All good.
Butler looking solid again to tonight versus Mr. Cooley.
I see the Hall is up 5 on UCONN. And UCONN managed 29 pts at the half just like us.
Wow, a team looks solid against Georgetown. Shocking.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 19, 2023, 07:05:11 PM
Butler looking solid again to tonight versus Mr. Cooley.
Rooting for The Hall , in this classic Big East battle versus The Huskies
Clingan injury didn't look good.
It did not. No obvious roll.
Newton gets too much love. Eff that scrub
I am sure UConn scoop is melting down.
Big East road games are going to be a grind.
Excellent win by The Hall
Misery loves Company
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 20, 2023, 07:31:00 PM
Clingan injury didn't look good.
Foot injuries and big guys are usually no bueno
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 20, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Wow, a team looks solid against Georgetown. Shocking.
He is dead, so different expectations.
The Johnnies with an excellent win over X
Would like to see Porcini Rick have a solid season leading up to Big East media negotiations
https://nypost.com/2023/12/20/sports/nahiem-alleyne-leads-st-johns-to-win-over-xavier-in-big-east-opener/amp/
Driscoll botches a review that almost hands it to Creighton, but to OT they go in Omaha.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 20, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
Driscoll botches a review that almost hands it to Creighton, but to OT they go in Omaha.
Unbelievable - Nova should've had the ball with 6 seconds left.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 10:09:55 PM
Unbelievable - Nova should've had the ball with 6 seconds left.
No, the shot hit the rim but they should have had the ball OB with the 3 seconds left.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 10:09:55 PM
Unbelievable - Nova should've had the ball with 6 seconds left.
Disagree. No shot clock violation and ball never went out of bounds. Inadvertent whistle cost creighton 3 points there.
Quote from: wisblue on December 20, 2023, 10:12:42 PM
No, the shot hit the rim but they should have had the ball OB with the 3 seconds left.
Check the replay. The ball was clearly still in his hands before the shot clock hit zero!!
Quote from: Johnny B on December 20, 2023, 10:15:26 PM
Check the replay. The ball was clearly still in his hands before the shot clock hit zero!!
Agree - it was a shot clock violation.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 20, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
Driscoll botches a review that almost hands it to Creighton, but to OT they go in Omaha.
He had help from Breeding
Nova beats creighton - Marquette may be fighting for 5th in the BEast.
Wow - Creighton the first Big East team to lose at home.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 07:55:39 PM
I am sure UConn scoop is melting down.
Last season UConn suffered through a 1 - 5 stretch in conference play, with a 12 point loss at Providence sprinkled into the tough spate. The Huskies were vanquished at home by St John's. You should have read the posts during that five week span. Marquette is going to be just fine. Where's the equanimity on this board?
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 20, 2023, 10:26:01 PM
Nova beats creighton - Marquette may be fighting for 5th in the BEast.
Or we are back to fighting for first seeing as the other top teams lost. ONe at home and the other to a weaker team than we played.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 10:26:31 PM
Wow - Creighton the first Big East team to lose at home.
What a crazy slate of openers in the league. All three favorites not just losing, but in pretty ugly form. Buckle up.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 20, 2023, 10:18:30 PM
He had help from Breeding
That was a crew I hope to never see MU have. Driscoll, Breeding, and Hampton.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 20, 2023, 10:15:26 PM
Check the replay. The ball was clearly still in his hands before the shot clock hit zero!!
I can't go back and look at the replay again but watching it live the shot was clearly off before the buzzer sounded and on the replay there was still a 1 on the shot clock on the TV screen with the ball on its way to the rim.
If there was another replay that showed something different I didn't see it.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 20, 2023, 09:47:44 PM
https://nypost.com/2023/12/20/sports/nahiem-alleyne-leads-st-johns-to-win-over-xavier-in-big-east-opener/amp/
2 crap teams
Could everybody please stop blaming the refs in the CU-VU game? HutchwasClutch will get upset.
As expected, MU is tied in the standings with UConn and Creighton.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 20, 2023, 10:51:00 PM
Could everybody please stop blaming the refs in the CU-VU game? HutchwasClutch will get upset.
You really are an immature child.
Apparently Nova got jobbed by the refs, on the road in a very difficult arena for visiting teams, yet still found a way to win. Imagine that.
As for the Big East overall, opening week has given many teams reason to believe they can be this year's Marquette. Should be a fun season!
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2023, 07:47:51 AM
Apparently Nova got jobbed by the refs, on the road in a very difficult arena for visiting teams, yet still found a way to win. Imagine that.
As for the Big East overall, opening week has given many teams reason to believe they can be this year's Marquette. Should be a fun season!
That was an excellent road win for Nova. Not easy to win in Omaha. Kudos to Neptune's squad for getting it done in overtime.
MU has to hold serve at home. A massive win over Mr. Cooley would be a good way to start. Then figure out a way to be effective on offense on the road.
From the last two days, with the top 3 teams in the Big East going down, it is clear this conference this year will be more brutal than before. No game is a gimme. A Nova, Seton Hall and PC knocking off the top three teams in the big East is eye opening. Whew. Go Marquette! Let's get a win Friday! One at a time.....
Quote from: Daniel on December 21, 2023, 08:57:46 AM
From the last two days, with the top 3 teams inbthe Big East going down, it is clear this conference this year will be more brutal than before. No game is a gimme. A Nova, Seton Hall and PC knocking off the top three teams in the big East is eye opening. Whew. Go Marquette! Let's get a win Friday! One at a time.....
Yes sir. The coaching is phenomenal and physical play is allowed. Teams know each other strengths and weaknesses. Should be fun.
Villanova absolutely hammered Memphis and beat UNC. But they also lost to the Philly schools. That win at Creighton without Moore is pretty stunning. Especially that 2nd half.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2023, 09:38:08 AM
Villanova absolutely hammered Memphis and beat UNC. But they also lost to the Philly schools. That win at Creighton without Moore is pretty stunning. Especially that 2nd half.
Nova will be able to build off this big road win.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 21, 2023, 09:32:08 AM
Yes sir. The coaching is phenomenal and physical play is allowed. Teams know each other strengths and weaknesses. Should be fun.
I agree with this analysis.
Great article about DePaul (or, an excellent one to some).
https://sports.yahoo.com/move-over-jets--depauls-postseason-drought-is-even-longer-145640283.html
My favorite line- "Each time the program seems to hit rock- bottom, it finds a way to drill down deeper."
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 21, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Great article about DePaul (or, an excellent one to some).
https://sports.yahoo.com/move-over-jets--depauls-postseason-drought-is-even-longer-145640283.html
My favorite line- "Each time the program seems to hit rock- bottom, it finds a way to drill down deeper."
Sleeping giant
Progress isn't elusive for DePaul, it's all but unattainable. Twenty years of poor decisions, from coaching to recruiting to basic management put Tony Stubblefield in a literal no-win predicament, and a new practice facility doesn't change that.
The first step on the road to recovery is acknowledging you have a problem. It took Georgetown a decade or more, but they finally closed the books on the House of Thompson and Ed Cooley is, as he says, not "rebuilding" but simply "building". The Hoyas may not look all that good tomorrow night but with players like Jayden Epps, Rowan Brumbaugh and Drew Fielder it's got a brighter future, something which cannot be said at Lincoln Park right now.
Winning brings in dollars to English Enterprises
https://friars.com/news/2023/12/21/athletic-department-5-million-commitment-from-an-anonymous-donor-to-support-friar-athletics-institutional-initiatives.aspx
4 games today!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1601252#msg1601252
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 23, 2023, 07:27:18 AM
4 games today!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65157.msg1601252#msg1601252
Matta versus English Enterprises should be a fun game.
Looking forward to Dickie Simpkins call of The Hall versus X
Will anyone show up to see Nova at DePaul
Marquee evening event , will see if Pitinos Johnnies are up to the test against The Huskies
Big Game tonight for Alleyne tonight against old teammates
https://nypost.com/2023/12/22/sports/st-johns-guard-nahiem-alleyne-working-on-consistency-to-earn-major-role/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 22, 2023, 09:57:16 PM
Winning brings in dollars to English Enterprises
https://friars.com/news/2023/12/21/athletic-department-5-million-commitment-from-an-anonymous-donor-to-support-friar-athletics-institutional-initiatives.aspx
While a very impressive donation, the crazy thing is that is about 1 hours worth of fund raising at SMU.
Butler hanging with Providence at the Dunk.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 23, 2023, 12:01:21 PM
Butler hanging with Providence at the Dunk.
Funny thing about game is that I believe 9 out of the ten starters are portal transfers. How the game has changed.
9 out of 10 are transfers ?
Good lord. That's ridiculous...
Tho, I think Prov has 2 or 3 returning starters
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 23, 2023, 12:30:43 PM
9 out of 10 are transfers ?
Good lord. That's ridiculous...
Tho, I think Prov has 2 or 3 returning starters
Yes, it is 9
Jayden Pierre from PU only recruit. All others portal guys.
Wow what a battle in Providence
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Wow what a battle in Providence
Regardless of the outcome, props to Butler, especially given their problems getting to Providence. They're not gonna be a pushover this year.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 23, 2023, 12:58:52 PM
Regardless of the outcome, props to Butler, especially given their problems getting to Providence. They're not gonna be a pushover this year.
Butler has some dudes. Would be nice to have Stevie back against them.
This game reiterates why Marquette stinks
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2023, 01:00:11 PM
This game reiterates why Marquette stinks
I'll bet our walk-ons are better than their walk-ons.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 23, 2023, 01:01:43 PM
I'll bet our walk-ons are better than their walk-ons.
No chance
Clingan out 3-4 weeks
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 23, 2023, 12:59:29 PM
Butler has some dudes. Would be nice to have Stevie back against them.
Butler should have fouled on the drive to the basket before the kick out. The clock was down to three seconds. A Providence 3 sends it to OT.
Overtime . Fanta celebrating Festivus lol
Quote from: bradforster on December 23, 2023, 01:05:38 PM
Butler should have fouled on the drive to the basket before the kick out. The clock was down to three seconds. A Providence 3 sends it to OT.
Either that or not sag off Gaines to help out on a guy dribbling inside the arc who couldn't beat you.
There were still 5 seconds on the clock when the kick out pass came. Gaines was in the air shooting at 4.
Thad Matta sucks
Quote from: bradforster on December 23, 2023, 01:05:38 PM
Butler should have fouled on the drive to the basket before the kick out. The clock was down to three seconds. A Providence 3 sends it to OT.
Yup. Under five seconds when he passed the ball.
That along with horrendous foul shooting cost them the game. Should have won on the road.
Said it last week, that Oduro guy that came from George Mason with English has really changed PU. He was highly sought after portal transfer, but quickly went with English. He had like 19/13/6 today?
Maybe next year for MU portal guys.
English Enterprises stock rising.
Future is bright in Friartown.
Quote from: nyg on December 23, 2023, 01:17:38 PM
Yup. Under five seconds when he passed the ball.
That along with horrendous foul shooting cost them the game. Should have won on the road.
Said it last week, that Oduro guy that came from George Mason with English has really changed PU. He was highly sought after portal transfer, but quickly went with English. He had like 19/13/6 today?
Maybe next year for MU portal guys.
Had a perfect chance to foul, so I think it was Matta's orders. If so, he deserves an NCIS Leroy Gibbs dope slap for that.
PC with 59% vs Butler 55 on FTs.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 23, 2023, 01:32:14 PM
Had a perfect chance to foul, so I think it was Matta's orders. If so, he deserves an NCIS Leroy Gibbs dope slap for that.
PC with 59% vs Butler 55 on FTs.
Like I said above, if you don't want to foul (which a lot of coaches don't want to do) you at least have to teach your players in that situation to protect the 3 point line and not collapse inside to challenge someone inside the arc.
If Matta had a TO left maybe he should have used it to remind his players of that after the second FT that put them up by 3. .
Was just curious as to last game.
Between Seton Hall and Xavier, 8 out of 10 starters are portal transfers. All five for SH and three of five for Xavier, only the Serbian guy and Claude.
So between two games, that's 17 out of 20 starters are portal transfers. Then St. Johns tonight has 10 transfers alone.
Crazy. Changes the whole game.
Quote from: wisblue on December 23, 2023, 01:40:09 PM
Like I said above, if you don't want to foul (which a lot of coaches don't want to do) you at least have to teach your players in that situation to protect the 3 point line and not collapse inside to challenge someone inside the arc.
If Matta had a TO left maybe he should have used it to remind his players of that after the second FT that put them up by 3. .
If your point is that it is easy to criticize after the fact, that's fair. It's just that when the PC player was almost under the basket and so near the line, why not force him out? The chances that he is going to take a 2 pointer and hope for an "and one" seem highly unlikely. Admittedly, I am second guessing Matta. Agree if Matta had a TO left, he should have used it to go over plan A and plan B.
Shaka might be back I. The transfer portal particularly a point guard, if Kam decides to leave will not a shooter as well
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 23, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Shaka might be back I. The transfer portal particularly a point guard, if Kam decides to leave will not a shooter as well
Didn't realize the full numbers on BE teams, well, the totality at least.
Shaka has stated he don't like portals, so we'll see how he answers next year for BE play, especially Kolek and as of now I have no faith in Sean Jones as a BE starter.
Sidenote, last night, channel surfing. On ESPNU, they had high school game and a MU 2025 target, Nyk Lewis was on as starting point guard for Long Island Luthern. Oh my......Shaka needs a super push for this guy, he was outstanding and only a junior. They mentioned he visited MU and now blue bloods coming. Guess he is on tonight at 9:00pm, ESPNU.
Quote from: nyg on December 23, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
Didn't realize the full numbers on BE teams, well, the totality at least.
Shaka has stated he don't like portals, so we'll see how he answers next year for BE play, especially Kolek and as of now I have no faith in Sean Jones as a BE starter.
Sidenote, last night, channel surfing. On ESPNU, they had high school game and a MU 2025 target, Nyk Lewis was on as starting point guard for Long Island Luthern. Oh my......Shaka needs a super push for this guy, he was outstanding and only a junior. They mentioned he visited MU and now blue bloods coming. Guess he is on tonight at 9:00pm, ESPNU.
I think Tre gets a chance to run the point next year if Tyler leaves.
Wrong player it was Nigel James
X getting job done at home versus The Hall.
Sean Miller overcoming lack of elite talent today.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 23, 2023, 02:52:49 PM
I think Tre gets a chance to run the point next year if Tyler leaves.
He will get a chance, that's about it, like portal transfer
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 23, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
He will get a chance, that's about it, like portal transfer
Either way, I don't think Sean will be a starter next year.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 23, 2023, 02:09:05 PM
If your point is that it is easy to criticize after the fact, that's fair. It's just that when the PC player was almost under the basket and so near the line, why not force him out? The chances that he is going to take a 2 pointer and hope for an "and one" seem highly unlikely. Admittedly, I am second guessing Matta. Agree if Matta had a TO left, he should have used it to go over plan A and plan B.
It is easy to criticize after the fact but that isn't my main point.
My point really is that Matta should have emphasized to his players what their main responsibilities are. Telling them to foul if there are fewer than X seconds left as long as the player with the ball can't anticipate the foul and draw an "and one" presents a lot of variables that can be hard for a player to process in the heat of battle. You don't want to foul too early either.
Emphasizing that they should protect the 3 point line is pretty straightforward, and in this case it should have prevented a shooter like Gaines from getting a wide open 3 point shot toed up to the line.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 23, 2023, 02:53:35 PM
Wrong player it was Nigel James
Right, thank you.
James was outstanding last night. Ball handling, passing off the charts. Hope MU makes a super push.
His teammate, VJ Edgecombe, undecided, is a one and done. Another oh my... Guess they play Cooper Flagg and that center, Queen who is a beast, tonight.
Nm
Might just be easier for you to become a Providence fan...
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 01:28:51 PM
English Enterprises stock rising.
Future is bright in Friartown.
Nice start to the Big East season for Kyle Neptune
Neptune showing Shaka how to bury a team
Nova holds a garbage team under 50 and wins by 36. That's how you do it
Nova goes to 2-0 with both wins on the road.
Nova must be Over The Moon with respect Neptunes Performance to start the season
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 05:01:11 PM
Nova goes to 2-0 with both wins on the road.
Nova must be Over The Moon with respect Neptunes Performance to start the season
Much to the surprise of the Scoop ball analyzers
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 05:01:11 PM
Nova goes to 2-0 with both wins on the road.
Nova must be Over The Moon with respect Neptunes Performance to start the season
Uranus.
Clingan out 3-4 weeks.
Combined with their terrible 3 point shooting....
That is rough. Opportunity is knocking
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2023, 05:21:44 PM
Clingan out 3-4 weeks.
Combined with their terrible 3 point shooting....
That is rough. Opportunity is knocking
We need to answer the door .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 05:37:16 PM
We need to answer the door .
MU doesn't play UCONN until 2/17/24. That's almost 8 weeks.
Quote from: nyg on December 23, 2023, 05:46:23 PM
MU doesn't play UCONN until 2/17/24. That's almost 8 weeks.
Opportunity is to pile up wins against other teams and stay near top league while U Conn has its challenges
Classic Big East battle in Hartford. U Conn hanging in there without Clingan.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2023, 07:47:57 PM
Classic Big East battle in Hartford. U Conn hanging in there without Clingan.
They are just not scary without him. They need him healthy.
So much fun to watch. St. John's defense is outstanding. Back court, front court. Studs on top of studs. Wow. I'm impressed.
Even without Clingan this is surprising. UCONN looks lost.
Samson Johnson is playing with a lot of energy for The Huskies.
I know UConn has been very good this year and I'd expect this "skid" to be a short one.
But they did lose a ton. Sanogo, Jackson, Hawkins, Alleyne, Calcaterra. I'm not completely surprised they're struggling.
Cam Spencer has real talent . Hopefully we have Stevie back when we meet The Huskies.
Pitino dye his hair? Kind of looks unnatural.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 23, 2023, 08:40:46 PM
Pitino dye his hair? Kind of looks unnatural.
Is that a wig? It's either dyed or a hair piece.
Or the the old do was a dye job and this is a 70 year old going natural.
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2023, 08:45:01 PM
Or the the old do was a dye job and this is a 70 year old going natural.
Lol.
How in tbe world do miss a traveling call there?
Wow. St. John's in position to get this one.
Quite a game. Clingan is missed for UCONN
Free throws matter...
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2023, 08:43:40 PM
Is that a wig? It's either dyed or a hair piece.
Change his name to Patina.
Johnnies have been poor shooters for a long time . Missed key shots and free throws down the stretch.
Huskies still going to tough even without Clingan
This game will probably be the difference in missing the tournament for St. John's
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 23, 2023, 09:32:26 PM
This game will probably be the difference in missing the tournament for St. John's
It's definitely possible.
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2023, 08:45:01 PM
Or the the old do was a dye job and this is a 70 year old going natural.
Dark brown/black to light brown is natural for a 70 year old? Yeah, not likely.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 23, 2023, 09:32:26 PM
This game will probably be the difference in missing the tournament for St. John's
Way too early to say "probably" with 18 games to go.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/24/sports/rj-luis-jr-s-return-could-make-st-johns-very-scary-with-added-dynamic/amp/
https://nypost.com/2023/12/23/sports/st-johns-lets-upset-chance-slip-away-in-loss-to-no-5-uconn/amp/
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2023, 08:51:51 PM
How in tbe world do miss a traveling call there?
when i saw that...nba refs were blushing. guy took off from the free throw line taking what? 5 steps?? it happened so quickly and blatantly and out in the open everyone just kinda sat there and watched like it was a dunking contest play
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 24, 2023, 07:33:17 AM
Way too early to say "probably" with 18 games to go.
I get that but they stand 8-4 now and the best win out of those 8 is Utah. Going .500 on conference isn't going to cut it for St.John's
Quote from: HowardsWorld on December 24, 2023, 09:57:10 AM
I get that but they stand 8-4 now and the best win out of those 8 is Utah. Going .500 on conference isn't going to cut it for St.John's
Agree regarding the unimpressive record so far, but I can see them doing better than .500 and surprising at least one of the other two of the "Big Three" enroute to the remainder of the season and squeaking into the Big Dance. You may be underestimating Slick Rick. I will
not be relaxing during our game in NYC. Even after factoring Clingman being out, it was a home game for UCONN (even though it was off-campus).
I got what you said with the exception of the word "probably". I think "possibly" was more fitting, but I guess I am guilty of nitpicking. ;D
Merry Christamas Howard!
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/shatel-no-excuse-for-creighton-basketball-loss-to-villanova/article_338a2156-9fc7-11ee-a6f3-83ccccca3279.html
Hofstra versus Johnnies preview
https://fieldlevelmedia.com/ncaab/hofstra-st-johns-meet-for-first-time-since-2009/
Chicago State favored over The Blue Demons...
https://nypost.com/2023/12/29/sports/st-johns-rj-luis-excited-to-be-back-after-injury-riddled-start/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2023, 07:54:41 AM
Chicago State favored over The Blue Demons...
Win one for the Joey!
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2023, 07:54:41 AM
Chicago State favored over The Blue Demons...
DePaul is -6.5
Treat it as sarcasm.
Treat it as performance art
Tough battle for The Johnnies versus Speedy Claxton's Pride at UBS Arena
Should be a fun second half
Solid win for The Johnnies . Overcame The James Breeding factor
There appear to be slightly more people at the DePaul-Chicago State game than are in my basement. And I'm watching alone
Yep, so solid, almost the textbook definition of solid...
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Solid win for The Johnnies . Overcame The James Breeding factor
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 30, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
There appear to be slightly more people at the DePaul-Chicago State game than are in my basement. And I'm watching alone
I may tune in. Before anyone asks why....because I'm easily amused.
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 30, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
There appear to be slightly more people at the DePaul-Chicago State game than are in my basement. And I'm watching alone
That's funny. Watch the Orange Bowl and Kansas Wichita State game.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 30, 2023, 03:23:51 PM
I may tune in. Before anyone asks why....because I'm easily amused.
There's a reason why people rubberneck a car accident
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 30, 2023, 03:23:51 PM
I may tune in. Before anyone asks why....because I'm easily amused.
You'll educated that CSU and DePaul are only 16 miles apart. (the most discussed storyline of the game)
At least Chicago St. isn't afraid to game game on a city rival like Marquette with UWM
Former MU Prospect Darlinstone Dubar had 23 5 and 1 shooting 10-17 from field playing all 40 minutes today for Hofstra.
Darlinstone is having a big season for The Pride. Nice to see him doing well. Still has another year of eligibility
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4598640/darlinstone-dubar
Oh come on there have to be at least 250 people at the Duh Paul game
If DP wins today ... do you think they can get to 5 wins on the year ??
Solid win for DePaul in their intra city rivalry with Chicago State .
Can somebody other than Herman dole out the "solid win" comments?
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2023, 06:49:33 PM
Solid win for DePaul in their intra city rivalry with Chicago State .
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
You'll educated that CSU and DePaul are only 16 miles apart. (the most discussed storyline of the game)
I find that information absolutely fascinating. I ended up not watching the DePaul game because my wife did a load of laundry and I thought watching the clothes go round and round in a random pattern would be a whole lot more fun than watching the DP game.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/sports/st-johns-survives-scare-from-hofstra-in-shaky-performance/
My early thoughts regarding the BEast is that MU and UCONN are the two best teams by a significant margin. 3-9 may be a bit of a crapshoot? As of now I'd go:
MU
UCONN
Prov
Nova
Creighton
Hall
St. J
Butler
X
Gtown
DePaul
* I'd actually be concerned if I was a Jays fan. That team has no depth or much of a margin for error. They also don't really have a PG. They are pretty solid defensively but truth be told they have not impressed me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2023, 08:36:15 AM
My early thoughts regarding the BEast is that MU and UCONN are the two best teams by a significant margin. 3-9 may be a bit of a crapshoot? As of now I'd go:
MU
UCONN
Prov
Nova
Creighton
Hall
St. J
Butler
X
Gtown
DePaul
* I'd actually be concerned if I was a Jays fan. That team has no depth or much of a margin for error. They also don't really have a PG. They are pretty solid defensively but truth be told they have not impressed me.
I'd agree with your ranking, except you have DePaul way too high.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2023, 08:36:15 AM
My early thoughts regarding the BEast is that MU and UCONN are the two best teams by a significant margin. 3-9 may be a bit of a crapshoot? As of now I'd go:
MU
UCONN
Prov
Nova
Creighton
Hall
St. J
Butler
X
Gtown
DePaul
* I'd actually be concerned if I was a Jays fan. That team has no depth or much of a margin for error. They also don't really have a PG. They are pretty solid defensively but truth be told they have not impressed me.
I think of the BE in terms of four tiers this early in the season. I do not think there is enough evidence yet to rank 1-11. Top 3 MU, UCONN and maybe Providence. Second and third tiers TBD. E.G., Nova has been too flukey in non con to be pegged and I am not willing to write off Creighton. Butler just may surprise us. But the bottom feeders? GT and DP work for me.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 31, 2023, 08:52:11 AM
I'd agree with your ranking, except you have DePaul way too high.
Lol.
How in the world did Nova lose to Drexel and Penn?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
Lol.
How in the world did Nova lose to Drexel and Penn?
Those teams played better or Nova didn't attack without mercy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2023, 10:31:51 AM
Those teams played better or Nova didn't attack without mercy
I always assume that's a given.
Providence is really good at home and have won both of their conference home games. But one of them was an OT game against Butler.
I will wait to see how they fare on the road before I elevate them to the Top 3 in the conference.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 31, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
Providence is really good at home and have won both of their conference home games. But one of them was an OT game against Butler.
I will wait to see how they fare on the road before I elevate them to the Top 3 in the conference.
I agree with this as PC was 5-5 last year on road in conference play.
nm
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 31, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
Providence is really good at home and have won both of their conference home games. But one of them was an OT game against Butler.
I will wait to see how they fare on the road before I elevate them to the Top 3 in the conference.
I don't disagree with you.
MU hasn't come close to playing their A game, and that includes when we spanked Kansas.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/sports/rick-pitino-planning-for-st-johns-uconn-at-carnesecca-arena-next-season/
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
Lol.
How in the world did Nova lose to Drexel and Penn?
In the unlimited transfer era, we are going to see a lot more of these kinds of results in November and early December as the teams that are bringing in veteran players work their way into a new system and new group of teammates. They are going to be prone to getting upset by Lower level opponents that may have less talented, but more cohesive teams.
It's probably a good idea to ignore some of these early results as the season wears on.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 31, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
Providence is really good at home and have won both of their conference home games. But one of them was an OT game against Butler.
I will wait to see how they fare on the road before I elevate them to the Top 3 in the conference.
I'm with you, Fletch.
Muggs ... please ...
MU has " not come close to playing their A game - not even v. Kansas "
That's a joke right ?
How much " better " can they play than they did v. KU ... or TX ... ?
Please explain
My early reaction to the first rounds of big east games is that the conference might be a lot tighter than it was last year.
With the exception of Depaul and Georgetown, who may not win many except against each other, I see all of the other teams as being potentially dangerous at home and not pushovers on the road.
I'm still going with my projection of MU at 15-5;(same as Pomeroy), and if they do that, I would expect them to be in the thick of the conference title race.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 31, 2023, 02:16:02 PM
Muggs ... please ...
MU has " not come close to playing their A game - not even v. Kansas "
That's a joke right ?
How much " better " can they play than they did v. KU ... or TX ... ?
Please explain
We went 6/25 (24%) from three. Many of those misses were wide open. Imagine if we played the exact same AND had a decent shooting game? Could've won by 25+
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 31, 2023, 03:15:00 PM
We went 6/25 (24%) from three. Many of those misses were wide open. Imagine if we played the exact same AND had a decent shooting game? Could've won by 25+
Exactly. We also kicked the ball away a bit. We did not play our best game offensively.
A decent shooting game from 3 is 33%, or 8-24.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2023, 03:40:54 PM
A decent shooting game from 3 is 33%, or 8-24.
Yep. That gets us to 20+. Raise it to 40% which is reasonable especially for an A game, and its 10/25
https://www.creightonian.com/sports/article_b793026e-a6ad-11ee-8fab-a32a1500a28c.html
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/rick-pitino-dan-hurley-big-east-msg-18584273.php
Providence no Matta. Offensive offense, plus coach of questionable character* (*based solely on the Mizzou / MU game)
UConn eking it out against DePaul.
This Butler/SJU game could have massive Big East implications as the season develops.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
This Butler/SJU game could have massive Big East implications as the season develops.
Yeah. Who finishes 6th will be massive.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2024, 07:55:17 PM
Yeah. Who finishes 6th will be massive.
It will because both of them have a shot to dance, but it is probably unlikely that they both do.
Might only be room for one of them.
Final:
Creighton 77
Georgetown 60
15,620 empty seats in downtown Washington DC saw Creighton shoot 13 for 17 to open the second half. Good seats available for Saturday's matchup with DePaul.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
This Butler/SJU game could have massive Big East implications as the season develops.
Soriano is my least favorite player in the BE. Go Butler.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 02, 2024, 08:12:13 PM
Soriano is my least favorite player in the BE. Go Butler.
I'm cool with that. Soriano bothers me as well.
Watching this SJU-Butler game, I'm much more concerned by RJ Luis than I am by Soriano. That kid can ball. They're missing a top flight PG, but SJU can beat anyone in the league any given night.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 07:58:59 PM
It will because both of them have a shot to dance, but it is probably unlikely that they both do.
Might only be room for one of them.
That's not how it works. Game 3 of the Big East season isn't a win and in, lose and go home.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2024, 09:28:30 PM
That's not how it works. Game 3 of the Big East season isn't a win and in, lose and go home.
No chit.
But they'll both be bubbling all season and that could be the difference one way or they other.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 09:32:53 PM
No chit.
But they'll both be bubbling all season and that could be the difference one way or they other.
Sorry. When you said game 3 had massive implications and that there's only going to be room for one of the two teams and not both, sitting here on January 2, I took it as you stated it. If that's not how you intended it, I apologize.
Excellent win for The Johnnies
That trip to St. Johns won't be fun. They're not great, but they have some dudes. MU should handle their pressure far better than Butler did.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2024, 07:25:48 PM
UConn eking it out against DePaul.
🤣 but seriously that is pathetic even by their standards. Stubbs has GOT to go
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2024, 09:43:56 PM
Sorry. When you said game 3 had massive implications and that there's only going to be room for one of the two teams and not both, sitting here on January 2, I took it as you stated it. If that's not how you intended it, I apologize.
I just meant it as in the Big East looks like a 5 bid league and one of those teams will need to separate to make a 6th. Very bubbly. St. Johns looked very clearly better than Butler IMO. Didn't seem like the home court was the difference, just felt like the Johnnie's were better.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 02, 2024, 08:52:47 PM
I'm cool with that. Soriano bothers me as well.
But he loves manatees.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 09:32:53 PM
No chit.
But they'll both be bubbling all season and that could be the difference one way or they other.
Yeah, I'm not buying Butler bubbling all season. Losing at StJ ain't getting them in - they need a few against the big dawgs (eg next two are big for then).
But the reality is Posh is a guy who can't shoot but racks up turnovers. Gross
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2024, 10:47:14 PM
I just meant it as in the Big East looks like a 5 bid league and one of those teams will need to separate to make a 6th. Very bubbly. St. Johns looked very clearly better than Butler IMO. Didn't seem like the home court was the difference, just felt like the Johnnie's were better.
Again, that's not how it works. There aren't a certain number of bids allocated to each conference.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 03, 2024, 09:13:34 AM
Again, that's not how it works. There aren't a certain number of bids allocated to each conference.
There's not, but teams play each other twice in this league and only 1 team can win each game. It's going to come down to a few games for both teams and these games can be deciding factors on a resume.
In the 17 calendar days from 12/20 to 1/5, Marquette played just two games.
It may just be me wanting more basketball, but that seems unusual, no?
Seems to be on the longer end of the spectrum but a slow holiday season isn't unusual. I'm itching for more bball too
Quote from: barfolomew on January 03, 2024, 12:41:56 PM
In the 17 calendar days from 12/20 to 1/5, Marquette played just two games.
It may just be me wanting more basketball, but that seems unusual, no?
Having a week between games this early in the conference season is unusual.
I agree. And yet, as of right now, Marquette is the only BEast team to have played three conference games.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 02, 2024, 10:24:46 PM
That trip to St. Johns won't be fun. They're not great, but they have some dudes. MU should handle their pressure far better than Butler did.
F Pitino
I don't understand why we get a bye week one. Stick DePaul with ill-timed bye week.
Quote from: The Lens on January 03, 2024, 02:19:25 PM
I don't understand why we get a bye week one. Stick DePaul with ill-timed bye week.
It gives dodds an "insightful excuse" in the case that we slip up on Saturday
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 02, 2024, 10:24:46 PM
That trip to St. Johns won't be fun. They're not great, but they have some dudes. MU should handle their pressure far better than Butler did.
I'll be there.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 03, 2024, 01:40:20 PM
Having a week between games this early in the conference season is unusual.
Creighton played Nova on 12/21 then MU on 12/30; 9 days between games.
Such is the life of being in a conference with an odd number of teams. Happens to everyone in the league at some point.
Stevie has time to heal the rest of the way and get his conditioning back.
Is it time to fear Seton Hall?
Hall hanging with Prov on the road
But per usual Prov will probably find a way to pull this one outta their ass. They always do at home.
Hopkins on the ground wailing in pain grabbing his knee does not bode well for anyone.
Yikes
Hopkins definitely yelling in pain like his season just ended.
Ok that replay was no bueno
Cringe inducing. That is not good for Prov
What a shame that would be. Hope he is alright.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 03, 2024, 06:54:25 PM
What a shame that would be. Hope he is alright.
I missed it. That's terrible.
Do we want the Hall though?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
I missed it. That's terrible.
Do we want the Hall though?
Hyperextensions don't usually yield season ending injuries, but that one looked extreme. Hopefully he's alright.
I'd prefer the Hall to win, but I don't think it really matters.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
I missed it. That's terrible.
Do we want the Hall though?
Yeah im rooting for the Hall
Dont like Prov. Dont want them starting 3-0. And im also hoping to play a good road game Saturday and would love if Hall can become a Q1 road game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
I missed it. That's terrible.
Do we want the Hall though?
No
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2024, 07:01:06 PM
Hyperextensions don't usually yield season ending injuries, but that one looked extreme. Hopefully he's alright.
I'd prefer the Hall to win, but I don't think it really matters.
That's a blown ACL. He's toast. Stick a fork in him
Quote from: The Lens on January 03, 2024, 02:19:25 PM
I don't understand why we get a bye week one. Stick DePaul with ill-timed bye week.
MU didn't really get a bye. They just played their third game ahead of everybody else. Fox obviously wanted some basketball programming last Saturday.
I think the MU-Creighton game was the only conference game played between December 23 and January 2. A few teams snuck in a nonconference game in the week between Christmas and New Years but it's pretty common for the players to get several days off around Christmas.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2024, 07:02:15 PM
That's a blown ACL. He's toast. Stick a fork in him
Damn. That sucks.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2024, 07:02:15 PM
That's a blown ACL. He's toast. Stick a fork in him
Possible. That was nasty looking.
Providence only 7 fouls called on them in 32 minutes.
Lol...
Yeah we will see maybe the injury wont be as bad as it looks.
But on first sight, calling that a Hyper extended knee seemed a little generous to me.
Seton Hall in total meltdown mode.
Here comes Prov pulling out yet another close one
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 07:10:38 PM
Seton Hall in total meltdown mode.
Here comes Prov pulling out yet another close one
Yep. That missed lay-up was ugly.
Didn't see the Hopkins play (yet). If it's bad, feel bad for him but TS for Prov. They've become a pet peeve.
A couple views:
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1742710112395972699?s=20
https://x.com/BigEastBarroom/status/1742709543006564511?s=20
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 07:10:38 PM
Seton Hall in total meltdown mode.
Here comes Prov pulling out yet another close one
Nvm Hall making some huge plays now
They are gonna be a tough one on Saturday
Sure, especially with all the massive implications.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 02, 2024, 09:54:14 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies
Seton Hall up 6 with two minutes left despite what you may have read here
That was a phantom foul call.
Lol. No foul call there on Prov.
That was a travel wow
Prov still might pull this one outta their ass.
Wow. But he traveled first.
Good win for SHU
They are gonna need more than that to get to Q1. But hopefully we beat them and they eventually get there
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 07:36:43 PM
Good win for SHU
They are gonna need more than that to get to Q1. But hopefully we beat them and they eventually get there
They now have 2 Q1 wins of their own though with UConn and Providence. Big game Saturday!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2024, 07:43:33 PM
They now have 2 Q1 wins of their own though with UConn and Providence. Big game Saturday!
Yup but currently they are a Q3 loss for Prov
Really need them to move up so that on the road for us they are a Q1. They came in 15 spots away dont think today alone will do it.
Seton Hall has no quits in them, we have better talent, but they play very hard. Gonna be a battle.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 07:49:03 PM
Yup but currently they are a Q3 loss for Prov
Really need them to move up so that on the road for us they are a Q1. They came in 15 spots away dont think today alone will do it.
I don't think so either, but they did outperform expectation by 11 points. Depends how close the teams above them are. They moved from 80-73 in Kenpom so it's not completely impossible.
Good luck, Mr. Hopkins.
Quality Road win for The Hall helpful for their tournament resume.
I hope the Hopkins injury is not season ending. Hate to see something like that happen.
Yep hope Hopkins is back for when we play them at home.
Should the pants pissers commence pissing?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 07:25:45 PM
Nvm Hall making some huge plays now
They are gonna be a tough one on Saturday
Sweet Jesus Zebras. Make a decision.
Wow Claude had the go ahead bucket and biffed it.
Kinda torn on this one. Nova being 3-0 with a good road win isnt ideal. But they are also currently a Q1 home game for us so them staying there would be nice
X shouldnt lose Q1 road status anytime soon
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 09:50:46 PM
Wow Claude had the go ahead bucket and biffed it.
Kinda torn on this one. Nova being 3-0 with a good road win isnt ideal. But they are also currently a Q1 home game for us so them staying there would be nice
X shouldnt lose Q1 road status anytime soon
I can't believe he mucked that.
Wow. Claude had another chance after two Dixon free throw biffs
Buckle up for these league games.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2024, 09:54:08 PM
Wow. Claude had another chance after two Dixon free throw biffs
Buckle up for these league games.
MU is much better than the teams we saw tonight imo. Gotta get our edge/mojo back and start draining buckets all over thr floor. Saturday I expect to see a MU team kick up their tenacity and take care of business.
This league season is gonna be annoying as hell. From what I've seen, only UConn, Creighton, PC, and maybe St Johns will try to play basketball. The rest will try to make it a wrestling match.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 09:58:52 PM
MU is much better than the teams we saw tonight imo. Gotta get our edge/mojo back and start draining buckets all over thr floor. Saturday I expect to see a MU team kick up their tenacity and take care of business.
Going to be a Classic Big East all out battle for 40 minutes against The Hall.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 09:58:52 PM
MU is much better than the teams we saw tonight imo. Gotta get our edge/mojo back and start draining buckets all over thr floor. Saturday I expect to see a MU team kick up their tenacity and take care of business.
Seton Hall has some guards that can play, but they got 0 points from their bench today and our guards are better.
I think their bigs are far too slow to hang with Oso. As long as he stays on the court we should be fine.
Seton Hall also had 6 assists tonight as a team. All by Kadary Richmond.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2024, 10:44:35 PM
Seton Hall also had 6 assists tonight as a team. All by Kadary Richmond.
I was stunned how little ball movement Seton Hall has on offense. They basically just set a double high ball screen at the top of the key, Kardary picks a side, one guy rolls and the other guy pops and usually Kadary is just left stuck guarded about 12 feet from the rim.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 04, 2024, 05:51:56 AM
I was stunned how little ball movement Seton Hall has on offense. They basically just set a double high ball screen at the top of the key, Kardary picks a side, one guy rolls and the other guy pops and usually Kadary is just left stuck guarded about 12 feet from the rim.
The Hall has one of the slowest tempo teams in the country. They will try to muck it up.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 03, 2024, 10:35:37 PM
Going to be a Classic Big East all out battle for 40 minutes against The Hall.
It shouldn't be. We are a significantly better team. If we take care of business we win going away.
I'm disappointed any time we lose, but a few of the remaining slate @Uconn, maybe @creighton or @nova would be palatable. Saturday is not one of those palatable games. These games (@X, @SH, @SJU) are games we win if we want to repeat and grab a 1 seed.
Quote from: 1SE on January 04, 2024, 06:35:31 AM
It shouldn't be. We are a significantly better team. If we take care of business we win going away.
I'm disappointed any time we lose, but a few of the remaining slate @Uconn, maybe @creighton or @nova would be palatable. Saturday is not one of those palatable games. These games (@X, @SH, @SJU) are games we win if we want to repeat and grab a 1 seed.
I agree, my expectations are maybe too high but I figured no more than 3-4 losses in BE/BET to even have a chance at a 1. So @PV,@UC,@CR and one more in BET was it for me (or 1 more @ loss and BET win). But even then 6 losses....I don't know...on the edge.
The one seed is going to come down to the Big 12 IMO. Houston and Kansas one of them will more than likely get a 1 seed if I had to guess its Kansas. Purdue barring injury to Edey is a virtual lock with the resume they have. That leaves Marquette, Houston, Uconn and Tennessee going for the final 2 (1) seeds. Obviously this is if everything holds pat which it wont. I don't see Marquette getting the 1 seed outside going 17-3 in conference. Our resume last year in the non conference was not good at all. The only win worth anything was Baylor. This year we have Kansas, Texas and @ Illinois so we have some wiggle room. If we go 16-4 and win the BET we are a lock.
Quote from: 1SE on January 04, 2024, 06:35:31 AM
It shouldn't be. We are a significantly better team. If we take care of business we win going away.
I'm disappointed any time we lose, but a few of the remaining slate @Uconn, maybe @creighton or @nova would be palatable. Saturday is not one of those palatable games. These games (@X, @SH, @SJU) are games we win if we want to repeat and grab a 1 seed.
I will be happy to have Saturday's game in the rear-view mirror and hope you are right. The fact that SH took UCONN down by 15 has me nervous. When our BE brethren have 5 games under the belt, I think we will have a clearer idea of what we will be facing.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 04, 2024, 08:35:40 AM
The one seed is going to come down to the Big 12 IMO. Houston and Kansas one of them will more than likely get a 1 seed if I had to guess its Kansas. Purdue barring injury to Edey is a virtual lock with the resume they have. That leaves Marquette, Houston, Uconn and Tennessee going for the final 2 (1) seeds. Obviously this is if everything holds pat which it wont. I don't see Marquette getting the 1 seed outside going 17-3 in conference. Our resume last year in the non conference was not good at all. The only win worth anything was Baylor. This year we have Kansas, Texas and @ Illinois so we have some wiggle room. If we go 16-4 and win the BET we are a lock.
Depends on who the wins and losses are against as well as their margins. It's not going to happen but I would imagine getting swept by DePaul would hurt more than sweeping UConn would help, although it would again depend on margins too. Too many variables/data points still unknown at this point to say.
Quote from: 1SE on January 04, 2024, 06:35:31 AM
It shouldn't be. We are a significantly better team. If we take care of business we win going away.
I'm disappointed any time we lose, but a few of the remaining slate @Uconn, maybe @creighton or @nova would be palatable. Saturday is not one of those palatable games. These games (@X, @SH, @SJU) are games we win if we want to repeat and grab a 1 seed.
I couldn't agree more with your synopsis. It's time to take control of our conference and put to sleep the Hall on Saturday.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2024, 08:39:41 AM
I will be happy to have Saturday's game in the rear-view mirror and hope you are right. The fact that SH took UCONN down by 15 has me nervous. When our BE brethren have 5 games under the belt, I think we will have a clearer idea of what we will be facing.
...not to mention the Pirates were picked to finish 9th in the BE. We know what happens when you're picked 9th.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 04, 2024, 05:51:56 AM
I was stunned how little ball movement Seton Hall has on offense. They basically just set a double high ball screen at the top of the key, Kardary picks a side, one guy rolls and the other guy pops and usually Kadary is just left stuck guarded about 12 feet from the rim.
Their best strategy is to throw the ball in the general direction of the hoop and let Bediako go get it. Hopefully we get a similar rebounding effort to the one that we got in our last game.
Very impressed with Bediakos numbers given his limited success at Santa Clara
If our big 3 play like the all-BE-caliber players they are, and if 1-2 of the role players perform well, Marquette can and will beat any team in the league ... with the possible exception of UConn. And I'm not saying we can't beat UConn, because we can (and probably will, at least once), just that they alone among BE schools have the talent to match ours (if Clingan returns at full strength).
But even top players have poor games, especially poor-shooting games. And our role players have had some outstanding games but also lots of duds. So that's the challenge going forward.
Hoping some of these posts age better than when we heard we were a ton better than Wisconsin and Providence and that a team looking for a 1 seed takes care of business in those games.
SH just beat UCONN by 15 at home. I'm not ready to say we're significantly better than them yet. We haven't looked all that impressive over our last 4 games.
MU is a better basketball team. Hall's style has proven difficult for MU to deal with this season.
I'd take a win any way we can get it Saturday.
Quote from: 1SE on January 04, 2024, 06:35:31 AM
It shouldn't be. We are a significantly better team. If we take care of business we win going away.
I'm disappointed any time we lose, but a few of the remaining slate @Uconn, maybe @creighton or @nova would be palatable. Saturday is not one of those palatable games. These games (@X, @SH, @SJU) are games we win if we want to repeat and grab a 1 seed.
I think SJU is better than your giving them credit for but I agree with everything else. Saturday should be a Marquette double digit victory.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 04, 2024, 09:22:51 AM
Hoping some of these posts age better than when we heard we were a ton better than Wisconsin and Providence and that a team looking for a 1 seed takes care of business in those games.
SH just beat UCONN by 15 at home. I'm not ready to say we're significantly better than them yet. We haven't looked all that impressive over our last 4 games.
SH ambushing UCONN is what makes me nervous. No argument with your pregame UW and PC comments. I'm hoping-and thinking-that we will get the W, but doubt that it will be by double digits as at least one scooper has stated.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2024, 10:11:52 AM
SH ambushing UCONN is what makes me nervous. No argument with your pregame UW and PC comments. I'm hoping-and thinking-that we will get the W, but doubt that it will be by double digits as at least one scooper has stated.
I was one of the few who didn't think we were head and shoulders above PC or UW. I think we are better, but doesn't mean a win on the road.
I do however think we are head and shoulders above Seton Hall.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1742946510625542197?t=rRVOJswfX_P6mRR3W4HD2w&s=19
Hopkins out for the year. Damn...
Always feel bad for a kid.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 04, 2024, 09:22:51 AM
Hoping some of these posts age better than when we heard we were a ton better than Wisconsin and Providence and that a team looking for a 1 seed takes care of business in those games.
SH just beat UCONN by 15 at home. I'm not ready to say we're significantly better than them yet. We haven't looked all that impressive over our last 4 games.
And many of us were substantially disappointed by both of those losses. The team that lost those games isn't a 1 seed.
Torvik has this as the 9th most difficult of our remaining 17 games. Given that we probably need to win at least 14 of those to be in the 1 seed conversation, it is absolutely a game we need to win.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2024, 10:31:08 AM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1742946510625542197?t=rRVOJswfX_P6mRR3W4HD2w&s=19
Hopkins out for the year. Damn...
Always feel bad for a kid.
Sole Surviving Bridge Club Member Didn't Want To Win Like This
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2024, 10:19:30 AM
I was one of the few who didn't think we were head and shoulders above PC or UW. I think we are better, but doesn't mean a win on the road.
I do however think we are head and shoulders above Seton Hall.
I get what you are saying. I guess my question is how the Hell did SH beat UCONN by 15. Was it just a really good day for SH and a really bad one for UCONN? That is the sole reason for my nervousness.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2024, 10:31:08 AM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1742946510625542197?t=rRVOJswfX_P6mRR3W4HD2w&s=19
Hopkins out for the year. Damn...
Always feel bad for a kid.
Not surprised. Hearing his pain and seeing the replay made it fairly obvious. Good luck, young man.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2024, 10:31:08 AM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1742946510625542197?t=rRVOJswfX_P6mRR3W4HD2w&s=19
Hopkins out for the year. Damn...
Always feel bad for a kid.
Huge loss for PU. First Team All BE, 17ppg and 9rpg.
No real bench guy to take his place and if Oduro gets in foul trouble, PU is in big time trouble. Probably rely upon a three point barrage now with Floyd becoming a starter.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2024, 10:38:32 AM
I get what you are saying. I guess my question is how the Hell did SH beat UCONN by 15. Was it just a really good day for SH and a really bad one for UCONN? That is the sole reason for my nervousness.
UConn shot 19% from three and turned it over a bunch. Once Clingan exited with the injury Hall had their way at the rim. I want to say it was a four point game when he got hurt.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2024, 10:38:32 AM
I get what you are saying. I guess my question is how the Hell did SH beat UCONN by 15. Was it just a really good day for SH and a really bad one for UCONN? That is the sole reason for my nervousness.
They were utilizing Clingan down low bigtime and he left with injury. Tough to regroup on the road when your primary focus offensively goes out.
Marquette also has Big physical guards to throw at Richmond all day. Not everyone has the bodies we do in the backcourt.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 04, 2024, 09:25:01 AM
MU is a better basketball team. Hall's style has proven difficult for MU to deal with this season.
I'd take a win any way we can get it Saturday.
Gotta turn them over a buttload like Creighton 2H. I think we will (unless the Jersey refs put us in a hole and we have to play passive)
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 04, 2024, 10:54:57 AM
Gotta turn them over a buttload like Creighton 2H. I think we will (unless the Jersey refs put us in a hole and we have to play passive)
The refs have already ejected Stevie Mitchell from the SHU game because he was going to wear number 4.
Watched a good bit of the SH / Prov game last night. SH works hard on defense bit is limited on offense. They will be a challenge. Not an automatic win for our guys, though they should win it. Prov not the same team without Hopkins.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 04, 2024, 11:24:13 AM
The refs have already ejected Stevie Mitchell from the SHU game because he was going to wear number 4.
Stevie too? I mean....I
get that Shaka has already been tossed as a preemptive move, but Stevie?
#4 is the operative thing, not Stevie.
Seton Hall got to play the second half of home games against UConn and Providence after each team's most irreplaceable player went out with an injury. It's difficult enough to compensate for an injury; when that injury happens during a game, it's doubly difficult. Not saying Seton Hall didn't earn the wins, just that the task became easier in each game once Clingan and Hopkins got hurt.
For MU, it's a road game against a team that plays really hard, that slows tempo and that has some good players. Of course we could lose.
As is the case with any BE road game except GT and DePaul, I'll be happy to get out of there with any win. I don't care if Kam has to bank in a 3 at the buzzer, I'll take it.
Big thing about SHU is that they literally dont have a bench.
Im not talking just production here. They play Dawes/Davis/Richmond/SJu Kid like crazy barring foul trouble. All played 36 minutes yesterday. Other 2 BE games were similar and both were blow outs even.
Have to find a way to run them into ground and tire them out. We have so far under Shaka
Which of our irreplaceable players is SH planning on injuring? Don't go trying to tell me that Clingan's and Hopkins' injuries playing against them is just a coincidence.
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2024, 01:52:38 PM
Which of our irreplaceable players is SH planning on injuring? Don't go trying to tell me that Clingan's and Hopkins' injuries playing against them is just a coincidence.
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Teal?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2024, 02:08:44 PM
Teal?
Gotta be. If anything I'd blame PC's court.
It's been a known issue for years. Chase Ross slipped and rolled an ankle there a few weeks ago, Bryce Hopkins seem to slip yesterday with no contact. Something about that surface just ain't right.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2024, 09:45:42 PM
Sweet Jesus Zebras. Make a decision.
I think zebras are majestic animals, why the hate?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2024, 03:19:54 PM
Gotta be. If anything I'd blame PC's court.
It's been a known issue for years. Chase Ross slipped and rolled an ankle there a few weeks ago, Bryce Hopkins seem to slip yesterday with no contact. Something about that surface just ain't right.
The court covers an ice rink.
Hate to see that Bryce Hopkins tore his ACL and is out for the season. Enjoyed watching him and was looking forward to the rematch at Home. Hopefully, he can rehab and be ready for next years Big East Conference Season.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 04, 2024, 06:36:20 PM
I think zebras are majestic animals, why the hate?
I apologize. True zebras are very, very, cool.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 04, 2024, 08:58:35 PM
Hate to see that Bryce Hopkins tore his ACL and is out for the season. Enjoyed watching him and was looking forward to the rematch at Home. Hopefully, he can rehab and be ready for next years Big East Conference Season.
Terrible news for Prov.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2024, 09:30:11 PM
I apologize. True zebras are very, very, cool.
Ebony and ivory...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2024, 09:50:32 PM
Ebony and ivory...
People for some reason don't grasp that Zebras can run 45 mph.
And their kick is 3000 psi.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2024, 10:20:25 PM
People for some reason don't grasp that Zebras can run 45 mph.
And their kick is 3000 psi.
Zebras best trait is the opportunity for a unique living room pelt
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2024, 10:25:52 PM
Zebras best trait is the opportunity for a unique living room pelt
They can kick a lion with their back legs and cripple them permanently with one strike.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2024, 10:28:54 PM
They can kick a lion with their back legs and cripple them permanently with one strike.
That lion would snap its neck in one mauling bite
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2024, 10:28:54 PM
They can kick a lion with their back legs and cripple them permanently with one strike.
Zebras are idiots
Forget zebras. Which bear...is best?
Quote from: Oldgym on January 05, 2024, 08:04:28 AM
Forget zebras. Which bear...is best?
I had a family member who used to work in animal safety at the County Zoo, and he said that if a polar bear ever got loose, to get as far away ASAP.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 05, 2024, 08:09:10 AM
I had a family member who used to work in animal safety at the County Zoo, and he said that if a polar bear ever got loose, to get as far away ASAP.
Hell yes! In the extreme Northern areas, people know that polar bears consider us as prey and will stalk humans. Other species of bear, even many grizzlies, will usually avoid contact with humans. Polar bears see us and think "Dinner!"
Bears, Beets, BattleStar Galactica.
For those of you who don't get this reference I strongly suggest you start a new binge worthy series pronto.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2024, 09:30:11 PM
I apologize. True zebras are very, very, cool.
Okapi fall into the fake zebra category
Eff zebras. Marquette would be 1,000-0 over the last X number of years if not for the zebras costing us every game.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2024, 11:48:16 AM
Eff zebras. Marquette would be 1,000-0 over the last X number of years if not for the zebras costing us every game.
Wojo would have actually turned us to Duke north!
Quote from: The Thing on January 05, 2024, 08:22:31 AM
Bears, Beets, BattleStar Galactica.
For those of you who don't get this reference I strongly suggest you start a new binge worthy series pronto.
Beat me to it.
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Butler playing like they want to defend their home floor against UConn.
Do you remember the good old days when the bottom 7 in the Big East were considered soft?
Butler might kick themselves if Uconn can close out this half strong.
Hinkle was rocking and Butler up 8 with Karaban and Johnson both having 2 fouls.
Uconn out here running lineups with no one taller than 6"7 but DJ Davis starts taking 35 foot jumpers and Posh throws a behind his head pass for a TO on 3 straight possessions.
Butler still up 5 going to the line and playing really well. But they gotta close strong and use the Uconn foul trouble to advantage.
The 7 footer for Butler has 59% free throw for the year which is like right in line with his career.
But his stroke at the line tonight looks very good. Hes a solid bench piece for them when they go bigger.
This Spencer dude is giving me Floppy McNutpuncher vibes
Was Butler up 7? Heck of a ball game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2024, 06:51:22 PM
Was Butler up 7? Heck of a ball game.
7 at half
But 8 with 7 minutes left in half and Uconn with massive foul trouble.
Letting Uconn survive meant the run was ineitable. Butler has to weather the storm fast cause they are getting owned defensively right now
Castle is a handful. We'll need Stevie to velcro himself to that guy
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2024, 07:00:42 PM
7 at half
But 8 with 7 minutes left in half and Uconn with massive foul trouble.
Letting Uconn survive meant the run was ineitable. Butler has to weather the storm fast cause they are getting owned defensively right now
Both teans seem to be playing well.
Yikes. That whiffed chippie may haunt Butler.
Uconn scoring at will
They are scary when clicking
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2024, 07:09:47 PM
Uconn scoring at will
They are scary when clicking
They've imposed their will. Diarra with 3 huge hoops. Butler has played well since I've watched.
Wow Posh with a 3.
Crowd is alive.
Butler gotta get stops though
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2024, 07:17:16 PM
Wow Posh with a 3.
Crowd is alive.
Butler gotta get stops though
Caraban is a really touch match-up when he's on his game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2024, 07:18:59 PM
Caraban is a really touch match-up when he's on his game.
Yup hes murdering them, hence the importance of taking advantage when he was in foul trouble
Uconn wants it more. Even when you get a stop they find the big rebound.
Impressive win for UCONN.
Butler has failed to close out two big wins already now 1-3 and coming to Fiserv. They gonna be desperate
Would have been nice for Uconn to start 0-2 on the road. But they are winners and they went and took it.
Posh is a poor man's Stevie
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2024, 07:29:57 PM
Impressive win for UCONN.
Road wins always well earned in Big East.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2024, 07:32:41 PM
Butler has failed to close out two big wins already now 1-3 and coming to Fiserv. They gonna be desperate
Desperate doesn't equal good. MU should handle them easily. They don't do anything particularly well.
They score a lot.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 05, 2024, 07:35:16 PM
Road wins always well earned in Big East.
Yes, but they needed to hit some big shots and go for 80+ on the road to get this one.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 05, 2024, 07:37:04 PM
Desperate doesn't equal good. MU should handle them easily. They don't do anything particularly well.
I mean I fear no one in our building so dont think I was saying it out of fear.
Just saying 1-4 start would be very bad for them to they gonna come out swinging. I expect we will as well.
Posh w the ball blows
super impressive for the national champs, picked to win the conference (Kenpom #5) to be beat the team picked to finish 8th in the conference (Kenpom #63)
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 05, 2024, 07:29:57 PM
Impressive win for UCONN.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 05, 2024, 10:05:51 PM
super impressive for the national champs, picked to win the conference (Kenpom #5) to be beat the team picked to finish 8th in the conference (Kenpom #63)
If you watched the 2nd half I don't think you would mock that take. Butler played very well. UCONN (without Clingan) had to earn that win with timely shots on tbe road. Kenpom has nothing to do with what happened between the lines yesterday.
Butler played a good 1st half wouldn't say they played a great complete game. The game completely turned in the second half with 3 straight turnover resulting in two uncontested layups and the third was an and 1. Instead of being up by 7 with the ball the game was tied and they never really recovered.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 06, 2024, 07:51:11 AM
Butler played a good 1st half wouldn't say they played a great complete game. The game completely turned in the second half with 3 straight turnover resulting in two uncontested layups and the third was an and 1. Instead of being up by 7 with the ball the game was tied and they never really recovered.
Agree. They blew it with unforced turnovers.
In the first half, the announcers talked about Butler switching defenses and their speed causing problems for UCONN. Music to the ears of any MU fan.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 06, 2024, 07:51:11 AM
Butler played a good 1st half wouldn't say they played a great complete game. The game completely turned in the second half with 3 straight turnover resulting in two uncontested layups and the third was an and 1. Instead of being up by 7 with the ball the game was tied and they never really recovered.
They were still incredibly efficient offensively. Much higher than I have seen from past performances. UCONN needed to play well to win, that's all I'm saying.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 06, 2024, 08:46:22 AM
They were still incredibly efficient offensively. Much higher than I have seen from past performances. UCONN needed to play well to win, that's all I'm saying.
Butler has a solid team this season. Yes, as Matta said , they need to learn to play hard all 40 minutes. That will eventually happen.
This doesnt take anything away from Uconn because they were a machine in the second half and did a fantastic job holding serve the final 8 of the 1st half
But Butler played a really really good 12 min. The rest after that they bombed.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 06, 2024, 09:44:56 AM
Butler has a solid team this season. Yes, as Matta said , they need to learn to play hard all 40 minutes. That will eventually happen.
No, it won't
Solid win for Mr Cooley
Excellent win for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/01/05/sports/brady-dunlap-rewarded-rick-pitino-with-breakout-st-johns-game/amp/
the same Butler Marquette needs to be afraid of at home?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 06, 2024, 03:13:25 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/01/05/sports/brady-dunlap-rewarded-rick-pitino-with-breakout-st-johns-game/amp/
https://nypost.com/2024/01/06/sports/seton-hall-upsets-no-7-marquette-for-third-ranked-win-this-season/amp/
Pitono channeling his inner Al
https://nypost.com/2024/01/09/sports/rick-pitino-adds-lou-carnesecca-twist-to-uconn-arena-drama/amp/
Hoyas giving SHU quite a battle.
Addae-Wusu may have just flopped SHU to a win.
And he may have clinched it with another stellar defensive play.
I can't believe the refs fell for that flop.
Also I can't believe a team as physical as Hall only had 4 fouls in the second half.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 09, 2024, 07:33:37 PM
I can't believe the refs fell for that flop.
Also I can't believe a team as physical as Hall only had 4 fouls in the second half.
Hoyas fall to a brutal 3-43 vs. Big East opponents (incl. BE tournament) since 2021.
Next up: At UConn.
I was impressed with Georgetown for 37 minutes. A bad call, a couple of defensive plays by SHU, and a loss of composure at crunch time. Alas.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2024, 07:47:02 PM
I was impressed with Georgetown for 37 minutes. A bad call, a couple of defensive plays by SHU, and a loss of composure at crunch time. Alas.
When Mr Cooley gets his team to play hard for 40 minutes some upsets will happen
DePaul trails by 30+ for most of the 2H eventually losing to Creighton by 26 at home 🤣
Legit worst team in Big East history, any iteration
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 09, 2024, 10:36:40 PM
DePaul trails by 30+ for most of the 2H eventually losing to Creighton by 26 at home 🤣
Legit worst team in Big East history, any iteration
Blue, Blue, Blue defense not working.
St. Johns playing like they belong in the convo with UConn, Marquette, Creighton.
They look pretty dang good.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 10, 2024, 07:18:24 PM
St. Johns playing like they belong in the convo with UConn, Marquette, Creighton.
They look pretty dang good.
Leaving the door open for providence
Excellent win for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/sports/st-johns-holds-off-providence-to-move-into-share-of-big-east-lead/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 10, 2024, 10:25:22 PM
https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/sports/st-johns-holds-off-providence-to-move-into-share-of-big-east-lead/amp/
Always dedicated to the cause, impressive quality
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 10, 2024, 07:18:24 PM
St. Johns playing like they belong in the convo with UConn, Marquette, Creighton.
Well, maybe in the convo with Marquette the way we are playing.
Beating a Hopkins-less Providence team by 2 at home doesn't really scream "in the convo with UConn and Creighton"
Hausen has five 3's in the first half for Nova. :'(
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2024, 08:24:07 PM
Hausen has five 3's in the first half for Nova. :'(
Better today than Monday.
Excellent win for The Wildcats over The Blue Demons
Villanova is going to be tough for MU. They really don't have anyone to match up with Dixon and Moore is back to join their stable of veteran transfers.
Two first place teams on the schedule next week and unless MU can turn things around quickly they'll be lucky to win one.
The Hall at Butler big game for both squads .
Excellent road win for The Hall. They are building a solid resume for inclusion in the tournament .
Is St. John's gonna win the Big East?
Nothing special offensively but they just grind you defensively.
Xavier looks close to being respectable, but something just is a bit off. Could be a spoiler if they figure things out. Solid talent.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 13, 2024, 01:33:09 PM
Is St. John's gonna win the Big East?
Nothing special offensively but they just grind you defensively.
No.
I wouldn't expect St. John's to win the Big East but, from what I've seen of them, they should be solid favorites against MU next week.
Quote from: wisblue on January 13, 2024, 02:06:54 PM
I wouldn't expect St. John's to win the Big East but, from what I've seen of them, they should be solid favorites against MU next week.
I agree. But I bet it's like a 3 point spread.
Huge game for us on Monday first though. Foot on the gas from the jump. Thinking about making the trip roads permitting.
One thing I find myself thinking as I watch these games is that a lot of these Big East teams have players that can take and make shots that nobody on MU can make.
Specifically there are (1) a classic 3 point shot off a dribble (like Hausen on Nova was draining at will last night, (2) a player driving into the lane then planting a foot and taking a fall away jump shot from just inside the free throw line. When taken straight on those are high percentage shots, (3) posting up a taller guard who backs in and puts up a short fall away jumper, often over a shorter defender.
When you think about what shooting skills every MU player has and doesn't have, you can only conclude that they need to rely on shots right at the rim (which are getting harder for them to get as teams pack in their defenses) and open 3 point shots.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 13, 2024, 02:09:10 PM
I agree. But I bet it's like a 3 point spread.
Huge game for us on Monday first though. Foot on the gas from the jump. Thinking about making the trip roads permitting.
3 points might be about right, but who would have thought that before the season started?
MU got a bad break playing Providence before Hopkins got hurt.
That might have cost them a game against the rest of the field.
Solid win for The Blue Jays over a very tough Johnnie Squad. Watch out for the Johnnies now that Pitino has got the team playing tough.
Scratch Xavier off the list of easy wins.
Quote from: wisblue on January 13, 2024, 02:31:10 PM
Scratch Xavier off the list of easy wins.
Xavier has an excellent coach. They will be right there when we play them at Home or on The Road.
In conference play per KPom, MU has the 2nd best defense. On the other hand, only DePaul has a worse offense.
What say you, Nevada?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 13, 2024, 02:55:52 PM
In conference play per KPom, MU has the 2nd best defense. On the other hand, only DePaul has a worse offense.
What say you, Nevada?
"Hit the wide open threes like you do in practice."
This Freshman, Green, on Xavier is making everything. Wow!
Good win for Xavier.
I love this conference
https://x.com/tyleriam/status/1746294852868846071?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Quote from: panda on January 13, 2024, 04:38:12 PM
I love this conference
https://x.com/tyleriam/status/1746294852868846071?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
So do it!
Quote from: Viper on January 13, 2024, 06:08:25 PM
you wouldn't take Pitino?
I'd take him in about 13 seconds
Quote from: panda on January 13, 2024, 06:17:14 PM
I'd take him in about 13 seconds
That's about how long he took at Porcini's.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 13, 2024, 06:25:20 PM
That's about how long he took at Porcini's.
Jokes are always funnier when you explain them.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2024, 06:29:43 PM
Jokes are always funnier when you explain them.
It's even less funny now
Hmm.... the Pirate were picked to finish 9th in the Conference; now they're 5-1 at the top of the standings. Will history repeat itself?
Gtown only down 8 st UCONN. 26 FT attempts.
Talent is very thin at Georgetown, but the trajectory is promising.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 14, 2024, 01:19:51 PM
Talent is very thin at Georgetown, but the trajectory is promising.
Yep. You guys are giving BE teams respectable games while establishing a culture. Get more talent in through recruiting and the portal and Georgetown should be competitive shortly. Hopefully the Fox executives are optimistic about that as well.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 14, 2024, 11:42:11 AM
Hmm.... the Pirate were picked to finish 9th in the Conference; now they're 5-1 at the top of the standings. Will history repeat itself?
MU picked 9th, finished 1st.
MU picked 1st, finishes ??
Pomeroy projection has fallen to 11-9
6 point favorite against Villanova tomorrow. That seems high for a shorthanded team that can't shoot.
Quote from: wisblue on January 14, 2024, 09:42:50 PM
MU picked 9th, finished 1st.
MU picked 1st, finishes ??
Pomeroy projection has fallen to 11-9
6 point favorite against Villanova tomorrow. That seems high for a shorthanded team that can't shoot.
Sadly, middle to low end of the non-Georgetown/DePaul conference feels very realistic. Not giving up on this group, but it will take a significant reversal in their body of work over the last several weeks to climb to the upper echelon of the conference.
Quote from: wisblue on January 14, 2024, 09:42:50 PM
MU picked 9th, finished 1st.
MU picked 1st, finishes ??
Pomeroy projection has fallen to 11-9
6 point favorite against Villanova tomorrow. That seems high for a shorthanded team that can't shoot.
Blue, we had a cataclysmic dumpster fire performance. Do not give up on our guys.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 15, 2024, 08:47:24 AM
Blue, we had a cataclysmic dumpster fire performance. Do not give up on our guys.
I'm not giving up but I've seen enough teams over the years go into big slides and this team is showing the signs. Most conference teams are improving and MU is stagnating.
Quote from: wisblue on January 15, 2024, 08:59:25 AM
I'm not giving up but I've seen enough teams over the years go into big slides and this team is showing the signs. Most conference teams are improving and MU is stagnating.
Your reality checks are not what I want to hear, but you make too much sense to be dismissed. I'm not giving up on our guys either, but (no pun intended) the ball is in their court. Let's hope today they prove that they still have what it takes. I think they do.
Everytime I watch Seton Hall nothing stands out as really impressive, but here they are still winning.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2024, 08:34:20 PM
Everytime I watch Seton Hall nothing stands out as really impressive, but here they are still winning.
They're bludgeoning St.J.
X has been strong the last few games .
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2024, 08:56:17 PM
They're bludgeoning St.J.
SHU now on a 28-0 run against SJU. Wow.
28-0 seton hall scoring run. Wow
Pitino out with Covid.......
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 16, 2024, 08:59:21 PM
X has been strong the last few games .
Yep, their metrics are really strong too. Some high quality wins. Up to 29 in Net I think.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2024, 08:34:20 PM
Everytime I watch Seton Hall nothing stands out as really impressive, but here they are still winning.
You can only play the teams in front of you but...
They beat Uconn without Clingan
Providence without Hopkins
Marquette without Ross
St Johns without Dingle and Pitino
Georgetown by 4
The only fully healthy non georgetown big east team that they've played beat them by 20
Yep, it's a long season. We'll see where Seton Hall is in the standings 4 or 6 or 8 weeks from now.
Excellent performance by The Hall. They have a very strong starting line up.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 16, 2024, 09:53:07 PM
Yep, their metrics are really strong too. Some high quality wins. Up to 29 in Net I think.
29 KenPom
45 NET
Kinda doesn't make much sense, bit of a head scratcher.
TLDR version
Run up the score.
9-8 ovrl
Lost to Oakland (16pt favorites)
Lost to Delaware (11,5 pt favorites)
Lost to Washington (slight favorites)
Lost to Purdue by 12 (17,5 pt dawgs)
Houston by 6 (8,5 pt dawgs)
Blew out St Mary's (KenPom 38) by 17 as 5,5 pt dawgs. That looks to be the major metric coup OOC.
Also blew out cupcakes by bigger than expected margins.
In conference 20 pt wins over SH and Providence and 14 pt win over Butler also huge margins over expected spread.
So, it seems like they are really feasting on the metrics via blowout wins and big margins, which seems to be one of the flaws of those systems.
9-8 overall record while losing to not one, but two cupcakes that you were double digit favorite in would seem crippling, especially with no big signature wins.
Not so crippling to the computers when you trounce all your cupcakes, keep it close against the elites, and then get some "nice but not great" wins by 20 points instead of 5-10.
C - Donovan Clingan
PF - Bryce Hopkins
SF - ???
SG - Chase Ross
PG - Jordan Dingle
HC - Rick Pitino
Seton Hall is assembling an All-Big East caliber roster of people to get injured or miss games when they win. Baylor Scheierman better watch himself on Saturday.
Pitino's Dingle injured. Insert joke here________________________
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2024, 08:34:20 PM
Everytime I watch Seton Hall nothing stands out as really impressive, but here they are still winning.
It does not matter, they were picked 9th.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 17, 2024, 08:13:18 AM
It does not matter, they were picked 9th.
What does this even mean?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 17, 2024, 06:22:02 AM
C - Donovan Clingan
PF - Bryce Hopkins
SF - ???
SG - Chase Ross
PG - Jordan Dingle
HC - Rick Pitino
Seton Hall is assembling an All-Big East caliber roster of people to get injured or miss games when they win. Baylor Scheierman better watch himself on Saturday.
My souce tells me the NJ mob is involved.
That Seton Hall game was a throw in game on my mini plan. I am sure of it. Others were ND, Creighton and UConn. Looks like a damn good game to be at now. Looking forward to being there.
One thing I've observed in the NET era is that it helps to minimize the number of games against the worst of the bad teams.
At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300's, that's an even bigger drag.
Related to that is the OOC schedule strength. The Committee has often said that they encourage teams to challenge themselves and their selections often reflect that. Xavier's OOC SOS is 31, Hall's is 203.
Quote from: wisblue on January 17, 2024, 09:31:18 AM
One thing I've observed in the NET era is that it helps to minimize the number of games against the worst of the bad teams.
At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300's, that's an even bigger drag.
Related to that is the OOC schedule strength. The Committee has often said that they encourage teams to challenge themselves and their selections often reflect that. Xavier's OOC SOS is 31, Hall's is 203.
Ehh, as long as you win your Q4 games by more than you're supposed to, you'll be fine. Houston has 8 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is over 36 and their closest win was 31. They're 1 in NET. Win by more than you're supposed to, lose by less than you're supposed to and your NET will be fine.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 17, 2024, 09:50:57 AM
Ehh, as long as you win your Q4 games by more than you're supposed to, you'll be fine. Houston has 8 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is over 36 and their closest win was 31. They're 1 in NET. Win by more than you're supposed to, lose by less than you're supposed to and your NET will be fine.
Of course Houston is fine, but I would bet that if the season ended today they wouldn't be the number one overall seed. For teams that find themselves on the bubble that OOC SOS could be the difference between getting a bid or not.
Quote from: wisblue on January 17, 2024, 01:19:05 PM
Of course Houston is fine, but I would bet that if the season ended today they wouldn't be the number one overall seed. For teams that find themselves on the bubble that OOC SOS could be the difference between getting a bid or not.
But that's different than what you originally said, the committee and NET ranking are two different things. The committee might look at SOS, but SOS does not explain the difference in NET ratings referenced here.
Quote from: wisblue on January 17, 2024, 09:31:18 AM
At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300's, that's an even bigger drag.
Number of games in each quadrant doesn't play a factor in NET ranking, only margins of victory/defeat. BYU is another good example, their 8 Q4 games isn't hurting them because they won by an average of over 32 points per game, NET ranking of 4. Syracuse has only played 3 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is only 11, NET ranking of 73 despite having no losses outside of Q1.
You're right. I am jumping past the NET and looking at how teams may be viewed for selection and seeding purposes.
I have little doubt that if the season ended today Seton Hall would be higher than Xavier in the pecking order despite being significantly lower today in the NET.
Quote from: wisblue on January 17, 2024, 02:08:03 PM
You're right. I am jumping past the NET and looking at how teams may be viewed for selection and seeding purposes.
Yep, NET is an organization tool used to help the selection committee, but it is certainly not an exact science. This is why Xavier only appears on one bracket on bracketmatrix and Seton Hall appears on 58, despite Xavier being ranked 20 spots higher by NET.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 17, 2024, 02:12:36 PM
Yep, NET is an organization tool used to help the selection committee, but it is certainly not an exact science. This is why Xavier only appears on one bracket on bracketmatrix and Seton Hall appears on 58, despite Xavier being ranked 20 spots higher by NET.
And there are always at least a few teams in the top 40 of the NET who have virtually no chance of getting on the Seed List as high as their NET ranking and might miss the NCAA altogether if they don't get an auto bid.
UConn is completely suffocating Creighton
Return of Clingan.
Quote from: wisblue on January 17, 2024, 07:10:11 PM
UConn is completely suffocating Creighton
The Creighton players look like deer in the headlights. I think they should go into the tunnel on the next commercial break and sneak out a back door of Gampel.
Creighton 3-pt% tonight = MU 3-pt% v. Butler.
(https://c.tenor.com/NdeCwLKy-coAAAAM/the-result-is-the-same-mariam-mclusky.gif)
Excellent win for U Conn. Blue Jays live by the 3 die by the 3.
UConn good enough to go back-to-back
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2024, 08:35:39 PM
UConn good enough to go back-to-back
Unless they win the regular season and tournament conference titles.
DePaul situation is really bad. There is like 1,000 fans in the stands, if that, and half are Providence sitting behind the bench.
DePaul is about to lose 21 straight BE games, 0-21 and its last BE win was on January 18th, 2023.
Tony Stubblefield is a strange coach. Just watch him. He has his hands on his hips and paces up and down the sideline, constantly yelling instructions or something at his players. He does this on offense and defense and is non stop. How his players react to this constant barrage of yacking on both sides, must drive them nuts. Let the guys play and if you need to give some instructions, so be it, but every second.....come on.
Get rid of Stubblefield now and replace him with the 400 pound assistant coach on the bench. Would love to see him running the sidelines. No way Stubblefield makes it after thi year.
Meanwhile... Duh Paul down 20 to
Prov at start of 2d half... in front of a
" crowd " of maybe 300 people?!
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 17, 2024, 09:20:50 PM
Meanwhile... Duh Paul down 20 to
Prov at start of 2d half... in front of a
" crowd " of maybe 300 people?!
Quote from: nyg on January 17, 2024, 09:19:45 PM
DePaul situation is really bad. There is like 1,000 fans in the stands, if that, and half are Providence sitting behind the bench.
DePaul is about to lose 21 straight BE games, 0-21 and its last BE win was on January 18th, 2023.
Tony Stubblefield is a strange coach. Just watch him. He has his hands on his hips and paces up and down the sideline, constantly yelling instructions or something at his players. He does this on offense and defense and is non stop. How his players react to this constant barrage of yacking on both sides, must drive them nuts. Let the guys play and if you need to give some instructions, so be it, but every second.....come on.
Get rid of Stubblefield now and replace him with the 400 pound assistant coach on the bench. Would love to see him running the sidelines. No way Stubblefield makes it after thi year.
DePaul should consider hiring the next scandal ridden but good perforing Coach that is available. Kelvin Sampson, Chris Beard, Rick Pitino all found people willing to take chances on them. Maybe Gregg Marshall or Huggy Bear would be willing to step in as means to reform their images.
Stubblefield seems completely clueless
One min to go ... DePaul down 38.
They should really just quit. Close down the program or go D 3.
Quote from: nyg on January 17, 2024, 09:19:45 PM
Get rid of Stubblefield now and replace him with the 400 pound assistant coach on the bench. Would love to see him running the sidelines. No way Stubblefield makes it after thi year.
PC wins 100-62. There are two people sitting in the front three rows behind the scorers table.
Stubblefield is a symptom of a larger problem. Simply replacing him with Tony Harvey is no better than Jerry Wainwright or Oliver Purnell.
DePaul has won one NCAA tournament game since 1989 and hasn't seen the tournament since 2004.
For all the Big East fans who look down at Georgetown and shake their heads at 3,000 a game, DePaul would jump for joy for 3,000 in that building. There is no fan base left and likely no NIL base. Players aren't going there, and if players don't want to go there, coaches won't either, and nothing changes.
Who turns this around?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 17, 2024, 10:13:25 PM
PC wins 100-62. There are two people sitting in the front three rows behind the scorers table.
Stubblefield is a symptom of a larger problem. Simply replacing him with Tony Harvey is no better than Jerry Wainwright or Oliver Purnell.
DePaul has won one NCAA tournament game since 1989 and hasn't seen the tournament since 2004.
For all the Big East fans who look down at Georgetown and shake their heads at 3,000 a game, DePaul would jump for joy for 3,000 in that building. There is no "core" DePaul fan base left and likely no "core" NIL base. Players aren't going there, and if players don't want to go there, coaches won't either, and nothing changes.
Who turns this around?
A commuter school that doesn't have a student body that has cared about hoops in decades shouldn't be in the BE.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 17, 2024, 10:13:25 PM
PC wins 100-62. There are two people sitting in the front three rows behind the scorers table.
Stubblefield is a symptom of a larger problem. Simply replacing him with Tony Harvey is no better than Jerry Wainwright or Oliver Purnell.
DePaul has won one NCAA tournament game since 1989 and hasn't seen the tournament since 2004.
For all the Big East fans who look down at Georgetown and shake their heads at 3,000 a game, DePaul would jump for joy for 3,000 in that building. There is no fan base left and likely no NIL base. Players aren't going there, and if players don't want to go there, coaches won't either, and nothing changes.
Who turns this around?
Didn't mean the big man is permanent replacement, just an interim as Stubblefield needs to go now and start an attempt to overall a complete, continuing disaster. The sooner start, the better.
I have never attended a Depaul game, have no idea what the arena is like or their practice facilities, where the athletes live, etc. Your point on NIL is valid. But to have such a losing streak, no NCAA appearances, and attendance issues is an embarrassment to the school itself and the BE.
I actually agree with Hermie that a coach needs to be hired in an attempt to bring in more than the two current players that can actually play basketball. Scandals or not. The NIL issue may preclude that, but someone has to step forward.
Georgetown a different school. Cooley will turn it around in time, he already has a Top 15 2024 recruiting class and the portal will be his friend. People will hop on the Metro and start to fill Capital One Arena again.
DePaul needs to be removed from the BEast.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2024, 10:00:01 PM
DePaul should consider hiring the next scandal ridden but good perforing Coach that is available. Kelvin Sampson, Chris Beard, Rick Pitino all found people willing to take chances on them. Maybe Gregg Marshall or Huggy Bear would be willing to step in as means to reform their images.
The coaches you listed did not step into the dogsh!t that you are suggesting that Marshall or Huggy would if they took the job. Those two could do much better. I get the basic idea of a coach getting DP up to a level of semi-competency, but that guy would be a little known coach and use DP as a career stepping stone as a reward for his efforts.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 18, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
DePaul needs to be removed from the BEast.
Problem is that it's a nice extra game that I get to see Marquette play in person every season.
I just wish it was more of a lock than it's been in the last decade at the AllState/Wintrust.
If there's a hiccup this season I'm just going to stop going in an attempt to reverse the curse.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2024, 08:27:30 AM
Problem is that it's a nice extra game that I get to see Marquette play in person every season.
I just wish it was more of a lock than it's been in the last decade at the AllState/Wintrust.
If there's a hiccup this season I'm just going to stop going in an attempt to reverse the curse.
Loyola would happily be our annual hiccup I'm sure.
I'm at the point where I think having legit discussions about excommunicating DePaul from the Big East is warranted, even if it's just a threat to begin with to try and get them to be serious.
We're going on 20 years of not being ranked. They've made 2 tournament appearances this century, none since joining the Big East. Asking them to reach Providence level of respectability shouldn't be a tall task.
The attendance numbers are an embarrassment to the league. The apathy in the community is embarrassing and a massive problem.
It's easy to say they need their Tom Crean or Kevin O'Neill but even Marquette at their deepest depths did not have a run of futility this lengthy that lead to this much institutional apathy. Is there a historical equivalent of what has happened to DePaul where a once thriving program has been resurrected after nearly 30 years of irrelevance?
Kicking them out isn't likely. Whatever TV partner the Big East has will still see them as a viable market to sell advertisers and replacing them with a school like Loyola whose gym holds less than 5,000 people isn't likely.
Having a perennial doormat is one thing. When it gets this bad, though, asking the questions is a fair thing to do
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2024, 09:02:57 AM
Is there a historical equivalent of what has happened to DePaul where a once thriving program has been resurrected after nearly 30 years of irrelevance?
San Francisco's about to take Gonzaga's place in the WCC and return to prominence
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 18, 2024, 09:13:02 AM
San Francisco's about to take Gonzaga's place in the WCC and return to prominence
Even they've had more recent tournament appearances than DePaul.
In seriousness, they need continuity at the head coach spot to do that and they haven't had that as each of the previous 3 coaches have bolted
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 18, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
DePaul needs to be removed from the BEast.
DePaul is #309 in NET this morning. BigEast needs to do something about this. Just having to play them twice brings down everyone else in the conference. If we only beat them by 10 each time instead of 25, it could drop us a seed line or two. They are that bad and nothing is gained by playing them. A bit of hyperbole, but they are terrible for the conference and have been since they joined.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 18, 2024, 09:13:02 AM
San Francisco's about to take Gonzaga's place in the WCC and return to prominence
Lars is on it!
Quote from: nyg on January 17, 2024, 09:19:45 PM
DePaul situation is really bad. There is like 1,000 fans in the stands, if that, and half are Providence sitting behind the bench.
DePaul is about to lose 21 straight BE games, 0-21 and its last BE win was on January 18th, 2023.
Tony Stubblefield is a strange coach. Just watch him. He has his hands on his hips and paces up and down the sideline, constantly yelling instructions or something at his players. He does this on offense and defense and is non stop. How his players react to this constant barrage of yacking on both sides, must drive them nuts. Let the guys play and if you need to give some instructions, so be it, but every second.....come on.
Get rid of Stubblefield now and replace him with the 400 pound assistant coach on the bench. Would love to see him running the sidelines. No way Stubblefield makes it after thi year.
Legit embarrassing. WAY past embarrassing. Their fan must be livid. It doesn't take much besides being willing to pay for a coach with a pulse. Stubblefield is in way over his head, no plan, no cohesion, morale in the dumpster. Find a highly successful long time D2 or D3 HC that's had a toe dipped in D1, knows X's & O's, and can coach up lesser guys that are team-focused and at least understand the game. Sell him on this being an underdog opportunity of a lifetime on top of a big raise from his current level. Focus on Indiana 2* & borderline 3* types (for the pedants it doesn't
have to be Indiana just a figure of speech), mid-major transfers, build it from the ground up like Butler and Loyola. Or hell a young hungry guy with a couple years' mid major HC experience like Kim English that just took them to the woodshed missing his star player, coming off 4 straight conference losses and treated them like the slump buster they've become. They have to AT LEAST care
a little bit at the AD level and up. Stubblefield might be the nicest guy ever. Might be beloved by all as a human being in the building (I have no idea if that's true). Doesn't matter, give him his golden parachute and move on.
I wonder what next Wednesday's crowd will look like. Will MU fans even show up? It's almost like bullying a special ed kid at this point, seems cruel. And 8 p.m. start time, guessing a lot will want to be able to turn it off at half time and go to bed early rather than make the trip downtown to witness a train wreck. I'll be there though! LOL
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 18, 2024, 09:22:21 AM
DePaul is #309 in NET this morning. BigEast needs to do something about this. Just having to play them twice brings down everyone else in the conference. If we only beat them by 10 each time instead of 25, it could drop us a seed line or two. They are that bad and nothing is gained by playing them. A bit of hyperbole, but they are terrible for the conference and have been since they joined.
100% correct. Well said.
DePaul attendance will be fixed soon. MU will have 5,000+ at game next Wednesday. It would be 8,000 if on a Saturday.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2024, 09:55:14 AM
I wonder what next Wednesday's crowd will look like. Will MU fans even show up? It's almost like bullying a special ed kid at this point, seems cruel. And 8 p.m. start time, guessing a lot will want to be able to turn it off at half time and go to bed early rather than make the trip downtown to witness a train wreck. I'll be there though! LOL
I was planning on making the trip down there for the late tip but no longer going out of spite when I saw the ticket prices. They are on average 8x more than the amount of their next game against first place Seton Hall. Not giving DePaul fans any satisfaction of making a dollar off that game.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 18, 2024, 08:11:36 AM
The coaches you listed did not step into the dogsh!t that you are suggesting that Marshall or Huggy would if they took the job. Those two could do much better. I get the basic idea of a coach getting DP up to a level of semi-competency, but that guy would be a little known coach and use DP as a career stepping stone as a reward for his efforts.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2024, 09:55:14 AM
Legit embarrassing. WAY past embarrassing. Their fan must be livid. It doesn't take much besides being willing to pay for a coach with a pulse. Stubblefield is in way over his head, no plan, no cohesion, morale in the dumpster. Find a highly successful long time D2 or D3 HC that's had a toe dipped in D1, knows X's & O's, and can coach up lesser guys that are team-focused and at least understand the game. Sell him on this being an underdog opportunity of a lifetime on top of a big raise from his current level. Focus on Indiana 2* & borderline 3* types (for the pedants it doesn't have to be Indiana just a figure of speech), mid-major transfers, build it from the ground up like Butler and Loyola. Or hell a young hungry guy with a couple years' mid major HC experience like Kim English that just took them to the woodshed missing his star player, coming off 4 straight conference losses and treated them like the slump buster they've become. They have to AT LEAST care a little bit at the AD level and up. Stubblefield might be the nicest guy ever. Might be beloved by all as a human being in the building (I have no idea if that's true). Doesn't matter, give him his golden parachute and move on.
I wonder what next Wednesday's crowd will look like. Will MU fans even show up? It's almost like bullying a special ed kid at this point, seems cruel. And 8 p.m. start time, guessing a lot will want to be able to turn it off at half time and go to bed early rather than make the trip downtown to witness a train wreck. I'll be there though! LOL
I think going to DePaul for a young up and comer, or some one proven at lower levels is career death. No reason for them to do that, there are better opportunities with much less risk.
Reason I am advocating for the rehabilitation of scandal ridden successful coaches, is that those kind of coaches are Persona Non Grata at other high majors. So they have no alternatives , and if they want to get into coaching they need to take a chance on DePaul.
Yet reality is the Scandal Crowd can still coach and recruit well enough and have the connections and ability to recruit transfers etc and jump start the program in a meaningful way. In the case of DePaul, it has been proven they can get the program to the Leitao- Second Term of Office level, which is solid mediocrity with some competitive strength to have a few upsets each year. I think Gregg Marshall or Huggy Bear can accomplish that.
Coach Stubblefield was a hire that didn't work out and the sooner the DePaul AD acknowledges his mistake the better off everyone will be.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2024, 09:55:14 AM
Legit embarrassing. WAY past embarrassing. Their fan must be livid.
I saw what you did there.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 18, 2024, 10:08:09 AM
I was planning on making the trip down there for the late tip but no longer going out of spite when I saw the ticket prices. They are on average 8x more than the amount of their next game against first place Seton Hall. Not giving DePaul fans any satisfaction of making a dollar off that game.
Haha I haven't looked into it yet but guessing stub hub will have <$5 tickets? Or if you bring some spare newspaper you can check the alleyways near the building and exchange it with a bum who was going to use extra tickets as kindling for their old timey trash can fire? Alternatively, you could negotiate with the box office to see if they'd pay you to go in and hopefully do better than break even on concession sales?
Huggy Bear would be a boon to the local economy near DePaul. Tax revenue on liquor sales would boom. Of course, could be offset by him killing someone while driving drunk but that's the risk DePaul might have to take
This place is gonna be rough after our L at WinTrust aina
I think Chris Mack is enjoying that buyout life but that's the type of guy I'd go after if I were Peevy. I don't think you can gamble on a hot assistant who has never sat in the big chair.
Realistically a guy like Wardle is probably who they get. Looking for the power conference gig after being at a mid major. Maybe the guy at Indiana State.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 18, 2024, 10:58:26 AM
This place is gonna be rough after our L at WinTrust aina
If there was ever a game for this board to rightfully be on fire........it would be following that
Ok, so no one is confusing Tony Stubblefield with Jay Wright, but there's a larger issue there.
Six coaches have led the Blue Demons since Joey Meyer was forced out: Pat Kennedy, Dave Leitao, Jerry Wainwright, Tracy Webster, Oliver Purnell, and Tony Stubblefield. None succeeded. DePaul left the cavernous arena in Rosemont for a 10,000 seat arena built largely for them: it's not working. Yes, DePaul athletics were run as a family business by Jean Lenti Ponsetto for too long, but DeWayne Peevy has been AD for four years. And it's still not working.
At some point, someone in that university's administration has to look in a mirror and ask what institutional impediments prevent DePaul basketball from being competitive.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2024, 01:12:39 PM
Ok, so no one is confusing Tony Stubblefield with Jay Wright, but there's a larger issue there.
Six coaches have led the Blue Demons since Joey Meyer was forced out: Pat Kennedy, Dave Leitao, Jerry Wainwright, Tracy Webster, Oliver Purnell, and Tony Stubblefield. None succeeded. DePaul left the cavernous arena in Rosemont for a 10,000 seat arena built largely for them: it's not working. Yes, DePaul athletics were run as a family business by Jean Lenti Ponsetto for too long, but DeWayne Peevy has been AD for four years. And it's still not working.
At some point, someone in that university's administration has to look in a mirror and ask what institutional impediments prevent DePaul basketball from being competitive.
*gestures at everything*
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 18, 2024, 11:00:45 AM
I think Chris Mack is enjoying that buyout life but that's the type of guy I'd go after if I were Peevy. I don't think you can gamble on a hot assistant who has never sat in the big chair.
Realistically a guy like Wardle is probably who they get. Looking for the power conference gig after being at a mid major. Maybe the guy at Indiana State.
Mack would be amazing for them if they are willing to fork over the dough. Would be exactly like Buzz going to VA Tech 😉
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 18, 2024, 10:58:26 AM
This place is gonna be rough after our L at WinTrust aina
I have to admit, it would be pretty damn funny
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 18, 2024, 10:58:26 AM
This place is gonna be rough after our L at WinTrust aina
The L stop is about 2 blocks away. Not too rough.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2024, 01:12:39 PM
Ok, so no one is confusing Tony Stubblefield with Jay Wright, but there's a larger issue there.
Six coaches have led the Blue Demons since Joey Meyer was forced out: Pat Kennedy, Dave Leitao, Jerry Wainwright, Tracy Webster, Oliver Purnell, and Tony Stubblefield. None succeeded. DePaul left the cavernous arena in Rosemont for a 10,000 seat arena built largely for them: it's not working. Yes, DePaul athletics were run as a family business by Jean Lenti Ponsetto for too long, but DeWayne Peevy has been AD for four years. And it's still not working.
At some point, someone in that university's administration has to look in a mirror and ask what institutional impediments prevent DePaul basketball from being competitive.
I think if they stuck with Leitao-second term the program would have stayed solidly mediocre ( 6-7 wins in conference and have .500 ish overall season if they schedule mostly cupcakes. Leitao was at least able to bring in NBA level talent and get some respectable transfers .
I believe if DePaul sustained mediocrity, they may have been a good enough platform to recruit a real up and comer type coach/ or some one who got fired from a decent program for having a losing season .
Right now they can only get a guy permanent D1 Assistant Stubblefield who will take low pay and gamble , because he literally has nothing to lose. I don't think those guys work out.
So I think for DePaul they can't change the program over night they need to do it in 6 stages.
Dumpster Fire to Lousy to Solidly Mediocre to Mediocre to Solid to Excellent.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2024, 01:12:39 PM
Ok, so no one is confusing Tony Stubblefield with Jay Wright, but there's a larger issue there.
Six coaches have led the Blue Demons since Joey Meyer was forced out: Pat Kennedy, Dave Leitao, Jerry Wainwright, Tracy Webster, Oliver Purnell, and Tony Stubblefield. None succeeded. DePaul left the cavernous arena in Rosemont for a 10,000 seat arena built largely for them: it's not working. Yes, DePaul athletics were run as a family business by Jean Lenti Ponsetto for too long, but DeWayne Peevy has been AD for four years. And it's still not working.
At some point, someone in that university's administration has to look in a mirror and ask what institutional impediments prevent DePaul basketball from being competitive.
Pat Kennedy and DL succeeded a little. The former had an NIT and NCAA appearance the later had two NITs and an NCAA appearance... and a CBI runner up which compared to now is an accomplishment for DePaul.
Wainwright, Purnell and Stubs have brought a whole new meaning to the word bad. I don't even remember Tracy webster
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 18, 2024, 03:16:59 PM
Wainwright, Purnell and Stubs have brought a whole new meaning to the word bad. I don't even remember Tracy webster
Jerry Wainwright was fired mid-season in 2010 with a 7-8 record. Webster took over, and went 1-15.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2024, 03:23:06 PM
Jerry Wainwright was fired mid-season in 2010 with a 7-8 record. Webster took over, and went 1-15.
With the one win being...over Marquette.
I was listening to a Chicago radio station this morning. It was recapping last nights games. They led with the Northwestern win over Maryland and then talked about Bradley, UIC, and even Drake. No mention of the Depaul game. They are completely off the radar down here, nobody cares about them. They've had multiple decades of ineptitude and irrelevance. It's time for them to leave the BE and join any mid-major that will take them.
Quote from: Superfan on January 18, 2024, 05:20:34 PM
I was listening to a Chicago radio station this morning. It was recapping last nights games. They led with the Northwestern win over Maryland and then talked about Bradley, UIC, and even Drake. No mention of the Depaul game. They are completely off the radar down here, nobody cares about them. They've had multiple decades of ineptitude and irrelevance. It's time for them to leave the BE and join any mid-major that will take them.
I've still never read anyone posting an example of a school that has voluntarily left, or even been kicked out of, a major conference for incompetence, ineptitude, irrelevance. Or anything. Can anyone name one?
Without at least one precedent, I just don't see it happening.
Peevy is holding a Zoom Townhall. Scoopers should call in and ask the questions that need to be asked.
https://clk.depaulbluedemons.com/e/es?s=464899&e=1605&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=f6c93a64c4b548dabcdf829b3c08a2ac&elqaid=253&elqat=1
Quote from: mug644 on January 18, 2024, 06:00:58 PM
I've still never read anyone posting an example of a school that has voluntarily left, or even been kicked out of, a major conference for incompetence, ineptitude, irrelevance. Or anything. Can anyone name one?
Without at least one precedent, I just don't see it happening.
They can become precedent. They're a drain in every way. If they're just around to collect a check I could see them getting removed for lack of willingness to put a quality product on the floor.
https://www.reddit.com/r/depaul/comments/18d7q7l/depaul_mens_basketball_program_is_a_dumpster_fire/
This was a fun read, btw
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 18, 2024, 06:02:57 PM
Peevy is holding a Zoom Townhall. Scoopers should call in and ask the questions that need to be asked.
https://clk.depaulbluedemons.com/e/es?s=464899&e=1605&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=f6c93a64c4b548dabcdf829b3c08a2ac&elqaid=253&elqat=1
That has disaster written all over it LOLLLLLLLLL
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2024, 09:55:14 AM
Legit embarrassing. WAY past embarrassing. Their fan must be livid. It doesn't take much besides being willing to pay for a coach with a pulse. Stubblefield is in way over his head, no plan, no cohesion, morale in the dumpster. Find a highly successful long time D2 or D3 HC that's had a toe dipped in D1, knows X's & O's, and can coach up lesser guys that are team-focused and at least understand the game. Sell him on this being an underdog opportunity of a lifetime on top of a big raise from his current level. Focus on Indiana 2* & borderline 3* types (for the pedants it doesn't have to be Indiana just a figure of speech), mid-major transfers, build it from the ground up like Butler and Loyola. Or hell a young hungry guy with a couple years' mid major HC experience like Kim English that just took them to the woodshed missing his star player, coming off 4 straight conference losses and treated them like the slump buster they've become. They have to AT LEAST care a little bit at the AD level and up. Stubblefield might be the nicest guy ever. Might be beloved by all as a human being in the building (I have no idea if that's true). Doesn't matter, give him his golden parachute and move on.
I wonder what next Wednesday's crowd will look like. Will MU fans even show up? It's almost like bullying a special ed kid at this point, seems cruel. And 8 p.m. start time, guessing a lot will want to be able to turn it off at half time and go to bed early rather than make the trip downtown to witness a train wreck. I'll be there though! LOL
They have a fan?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 18, 2024, 06:07:18 PM
They can become precedent. They're a drain in every way. If they're just around to collect a check I could see them getting removed for lack of willingness to put a quality product on the floor.
https://www.reddit.com/r/depaul/comments/18d7q7l/depaul_mens_basketball_program_is_a_dumpster_fire/
This was a fun read, btw
^^^exactly, there's a first time for everything. At least make the threat of you don't get the sense that they're doing what needs to be done
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 18, 2024, 06:42:52 PM
They have a fan?
🤣🤣🤣
I actually know one*. He's awesome. This is personal for me! He deserves way better than this
*him
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2024, 06:42:14 PM
That has disaster written all over it LOLLLLLLLLL
DeWayne, when will we be joining the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin?
Quote from: mug644 on January 18, 2024, 06:00:58 PM
I've still never read anyone posting an example of a school that has voluntarily left, or even been kicked out of, a major conference for incompetence, ineptitude, irrelevance. Or anything. Can anyone name one?
Temple was escorted out of Big East football in 2004.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/09/07/Temple-to-leave-Big-East-after-2004-season/2657999835200/
I feel like MUScoop is more passionate about DePaul basketball than DePaul fans are
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2024, 07:24:27 PM
I feel like MUScoop is more passionate about DePaul basketball than DePaul fans are
Fact
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 18, 2024, 07:03:07 PM
DeWayne, when will we be joining the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin?
🤣🤣
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2024, 07:24:27 PM
I feel like MUScoop is more passionate about DePaul basketball than DePaul fans are
🤣🤣
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2024, 07:24:27 PM
I feel like MUScoop is more passionate about DePaul basketball than DePaul fans are
At least DePaul Mods name a SOTG when they win....
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2024, 10:00:01 PM
DePaul should consider hiring the next scandal ridden but good perforing Coach that is available. Kelvin Sampson, Chris Beard, Rick Pitino all found people willing to take chances on them. Maybe Gregg Marshall or Huggy Bear would be willing to step in as means to reform their images.
If I were DePaul, Will Wade would be high on my list.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 18, 2024, 08:41:34 PM
If I were DePaul, Will Wade would be high on my list.
those desk drawers of cash can't spend themselves
Mr Cooley up at halftime versus X on the road.
Whoa. Gtown up 7 in Cincy.
Xavier will win going away due to Georgetown foul issues.
Unless, of course Georgetown makes shots and Xavier doesn't attack the basket on every trip down.
Growm finds a way to throw the game away.
I don't think Xavier is a tourney team, but if they have a shot, tonight may save their chances.
Not looking forward to playing either X or Mr. Cooley on the road.
If gtown can hang 90 on them Im not concerned about that end of the floor
Just a poor, dispiriting finish. This team hasn't won a meaningful regular season game in nearly a decade.
And while it won't be Marquette or UConn, Georgetown is going to cost some Big East team an at-large bid with a Quad 4 loss. Should have been X.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 19, 2024, 09:10:38 PM
Just a poor, dispiriting finish. This team hasn't won a meaningful regular season game in nearly a decade.
And while it won't be Marquette or UConn, Georgetown is going to cost some Big East team an at-large bid with a Quad 4 loss. Should have been X.
Hang in there DFW. Cooley is going to need pretty much the entire season to refloat the ship. My
Gawd, Ewing was such a disaster. At least GT is salvageable, unlike DePaul. Scoopers keep speculating on what coaches could resurrect them and I keep arguing that any decent coach can do a Hell of lot better than DePaul if they are willing to take on a total overhaul project.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 18, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
DePaul needs to be removed from the BEast.
Sleeping giant
https://nypost.com/2024/01/19/sports/st-johns-looking-to-move-past-brutal-80-hour-stretch-vs-no-17-marquette/
Blue Jays hanging in there at The Hall
Double OT for Creighton and Seton Hall.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 20, 2024, 01:18:40 PM
Double OT for Creighton and Seton Hall.
Going to triple OT. Creighton almost chokes away a 4 point lead with under 30 seconds left.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 20, 2024, 01:27:22 PM
Going to triple OT. Creighton almost chokes away a 4 point lead with under 30 seconds left.
Missed free throws are contagious. Both sides missed at the end of 2OT
Foulng a guy taking a three-point shot is always stupid. But doing it with a four point lead and 10 seconds left is really stupid.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 20, 2024, 01:28:22 PM
Missed free throws are contagious. Both sides missed at the end of 2OT
Creighton also fouled on a 3-pointer in the last 30 seconds to pay tribute to Marquette. :D
The one time Creighton gets called for a foul is a ticky tack call after a turnover which wiped out a SH layup to take the lead at the end of the second OT.
Basketball Gods love SHU.
If its not star players getting hurt. Its key role players. If its not them its coaches being out. If its not that its Creighton booting away the game fouling the 3 shooter up 4 then turning over the inbound.
Crazy.
We need to blast em next week.
Not surprising but these teams got no legs in OT 3
Creightons last 2 3s were misses before they even left the hand.
That foul that Ashworth drew was pretty bogus.
Quote from: wisblue on January 20, 2024, 01:39:44 PM
That foul that Ashworth drew was pretty bogus.
Great acting job.
Trey took over
the Hall lucky charm couldnt stop him
Blue Jay's finally finding their dawg. Gutting out road wins is tough, aina?
What a game.
Even with a loss today, Seton Hall has an argument to be ranked.
I want revenge next Saturday.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:43:44 PM
Blue Jay's finally finding their dawg. Gutting out road wins is tough, aina?
Terrible win for Creighton
Excellent win for The Blue Jays
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 01:50:17 PM
Excellent win for The Blue Jays
Nope. Seton Hall stinks and probably couldn't beat Long Island
Creighton got outworked.
Best conference in the country - two March-worthy games on a random January Saturday
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:53:27 PM
Creighton got outworked.
They outrebounded Creighton by 19.
They're simply a worse team than Creighton. Marquette is not a worse team than St. John's.
Standings getting a lot tighter with the MU and Creighton wins. If Villanova beats UConn, it will be 6 teams within one game of first place.
Quote from: mug644 on January 20, 2024, 02:10:17 PM
Standings getting a lot tighter with the MU and Creighton wins. If Villanova beats UConn, it will be 6 teams within one game of first place.
Ugh
Quote from: mug644 on January 20, 2024, 02:10:17 PM
Standings getting a lot tighter with the MU and Creighton wins. If Villanova beats UConn, it will be 6 teams within one game of first place.
That would be cool. I have my doubts about Nova hanging with UConn ... but I sure hope they do.
Seton Hall was very close to going 7-1 to start their conference season on several occasions...
I'm glad they didn't get there.
I placed by first BE parlay of the season
MU ML and the under
Creighton -2,5 and the over.
Extremely lucky hit, great payout.
Considered Marquette alternate line at -1,5...
Nice hit, Doctor.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2024, 01:34:14 PM
Basketball Gods love SHU.
If its not star players getting hurt. Its key role players. If its not them its coaches being out. If its not that its Creighton booting away the game fouling the 3 shooter up 4 then turning over the inbound.
Crazy.
We need to blast em next week.
Jinxed SHU
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 03:13:04 PM
Jinxed SHU
Now lets hope I didnt jinx us for next weekend
Because Im fully muggsy for that game. I think we introduce them to darkness at Fiserv
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2024, 03:18:08 PM
Now lets hope I didnt jinx us for next weekend
Because Im fully muggsy for that game. I think we introduce them to darkness at Fiserv
Fully Muggsy? Oh F,we are doomed
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 03:20:33 PM
Fully Muggsy? Oh F,we are doomed
Nope. Muggsy has a 5 point plan for us to win, but he's keeping #2-5 to himself. #1 is to go Full Medieval.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 03:25:52 PM
Nope. Muggsy has a 5 point plan for us to win, but he's keeping #2-5 to himself. #1 is to go Full Medieval.
#2 introduce them to darkness, #3 unleash polar bears on opposing teams, #4 don't play like manatees, #5 usurp the game, this is my best guess
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 01:49:46 PM
Terrible win for Creighton
Agree. Should have killed them. I wonder if No Longer is on the Bluejay board?
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 03:30:20 PM
#2 introduce them to darkness, #3 unleash polar bears on opposing teams, #4 don't play like manatees, #5 usurp the game, this is my best guess
Not bad. Not bad at all.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 20, 2024, 03:31:09 PM
Agree. Should have killed them. I wonder if No Longer is on the Bluejay board?
Nah, McDermott is the right shade of pale
Carino lobbying hard for Richmond as Big East Player of Year frontrunner and top 25 for The Hall
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/20/seton-hall-basketball-richmond-triple-double-not-enough-vs-creighton/72267931007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 03:43:58 PM
Carino lobbying hard for Richmond as Big East Player of Year frontrunner and top 25 for The Hall
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/20/seton-hall-basketball-richmond-triple-double-not-enough-vs-creighton/72267931007/
"Raucous sold out crowd.." oh but expect for the fact that the upper deck is tarped off.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 03:43:58 PM
Carino lobbying hard for Richmond as Big East Player of Year frontrunner and top 25 for The Hall
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/20/seton-hall-basketball-richmond-triple-double-not-enough-vs-creighton/72267931007/
Tell me you don't understand basketball without telling me you don't understand basketball.
Richmond was 8/31 from the field and had an 83 ORtg. He was not a net positive today, despite the triple double.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 04:00:11 PM
Tell me you don't understand basketball without telling me you don't understand basketball.
Richmond was 8/31 from the field and had an 83 ORtg. He was not a net positive today, despite the triple double.
8-32. Even worse.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2024, 04:01:24 PM
8-32. Even worse.
We'd be thrilled if we had guys shooting 25%
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-rally-falls-short-in-crushing-loss-to-no-17-marquette/amp/
We should all aspire to better.
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/ive-gotta-make-my-point-greg-mcdermott-discusses-suspect-officiating-after-creightons-3ot-win/article_b1148b34-b7cd-11ee-a23b-376aa012caf0.html
Tough injury for Johnnies today
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-nahiem-alleyne-suffers-pretty-bad-injury/
Pitino confirmed a sprain.
Who ya got Nova or UCONN?
Pitino gives all the credit to MU
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-not-sealing-statement-win-only-raises-stakes/
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 20, 2024, 06:50:09 PM
Who ya got Nova or UCONN?
Game is at Wells Fargo center. Lots if tickets available for U Conn fans. If game was at Nova on Campus arena I think they would have had a better chance
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 06:53:01 PM
Pitino gives all the credit to MU
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-not-sealing-statement-win-only-raises-stakes/
NY media getting a bit excited with the "must have" and "must win" tags.
Today wasn't a must win for them, as Rick said nice moral victory despite the loss. Won't affect the metrics outside of a lost opportunity as a Q1 win for them.
Wednesday versus Villanova is not a must win either.
Should, would be a nice win against a *likely* tournament team, but there's like 12 games left for them and their metrics are solid for a bid at the moment.
Way too early in a long season to be calling "must wins" for a resurrected program like StJ with Rick at the helm
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 06:09:22 PM
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/ive-gotta-make-my-point-greg-mcdermott-discusses-suspect-officiating-after-creightons-3ot-win/article_b1148b34-b7cd-11ee-a23b-376aa012caf0.html
Completely side with McDermott. Part of Seton Halls game is to rachet up the physicality to where flagrants are not called. Somebody should do an analysis of opponent injuries against them.
It does the Big East no favors that player after player is getting injured before the tourney. Esp.when Seton Hall will easily get 20 fouls in the tourney as they call actual fouls once it starts.
UConn is good.
Villanova locked in on defense. Giving up 2 points in 13 possessions.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 20, 2024, 07:15:48 PM
Completely side with McDermott. Part of Seton Halls game is to rachet up the physicality to where flagrants are not called. Somebody should do an analysis of opponent injuries against them.
It does the Big East no favors that player after player is getting injured before the tourney. Esp.when Seton Hall will easily get 20 fouls in the tourney as they call actual fouls once it starts.
Pat Driscoll on the whistle!
UConn with a pair of 11-0 runs. Up 29-24 at the half.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 06:53:01 PM
Pitino gives all the credit to MU
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-not-sealing-statement-win-only-raises-stakes/
I think I saw that Shaka had Gold on Jenkins for the final shot I thought that was brilliant as he had been hot from the 3. That must have had some effect on his shot
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 06:53:01 PM
Pitino gives all the credit to MU
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/sports/st-johns-not-sealing-statement-win-only-raises-stakes/
Really nice after game talk by Pitino. He is building for the future, not afraid to say what he wants to say, and gave Marquette credit Nice. Worth a listen for sure
Do we want Nova?
Would rather not say. if you root for Nova it will jinx them.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 08:30:30 PM
Would rather not say. if you root for Nova it will jinx them.
Darkness
Dis you just see that no-call on UCONN?
What the refs see instead of fouls.
Villanova commits two offensive fouls in the last minute of a tight game. Sad trombone. Both legit.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 09:14:50 PM
Villanova commits two offensive fouls in the last minute of a tight game. Sad trombone. Both legit.
Neptune seems fine
Was a fun game , glad U Conn won though. Want the Huskies to be ranked #1 when MU beats them🤓
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 09:38:39 PM
Was a fun game , glad U Conn won though. Want the Huskies to be ranked #1 when MU beats them🤓
That would be nice, but I'd prefer that MU beats them to take over first place in the conference standings, and that will mean UConn losing at least once before we play them.
I'll be at the @UConn game on Feb 17th with a bunch of alum friends who are flying in for the game.
Quote from: mug644 on January 21, 2024, 07:50:05 AM
That would be nice, but I'd prefer that MU beats them to take over first place in the conference standings, and that will mean UConn losing at least once before we play them.
I'll be at the @UConn game on Feb 17th with a bunch of alum friends who are flying in for the game.
They can be #1 both times we beat them. Especially if we are #2 by the second time.
The Press putting some respect on Coach Holloways name...
https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/sports/shaheen-holloways-seton-hall-turnaround-has-come-out-of-nowhere/amp/
I just looked at the box score of the Creighton/Hall game. Wow.
Richmond was 8/32. Only 1 of those 32 shots was a 3.
Creighton played a 3 OT game with a 6 man rotation. SHU bench usage not much mroe and it was helped by foul outs.
Hall in a 55 minute game took 14 3s all game
Teams combined for a impressive 15 total TOs.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2024, 01:16:40 PM
I just looked at the box score of the Creighton/Hall game. Wow.
Richmond was 8/32. Only 1 of those 32 shots was a 3.
Creighton played a 3 OT game with a 6 man rotation. SHU bench usage not much mroe and it was helped by foul outs.
Hall in a 55 minute game took 14 3s all game
Teams combined for a impressive 15 total TOs.
Kind of an old school type game. Was an excellent win for Creighton to win in a grind it out game like that.
Pierre Brooks was an outstanding portal addition for Butler. Having another excellent night tonight. Bulldogs comfortably ahead of the The Hoyas on the road.
FS1's Dave Sims on the Georgetown crowd: "It's like the COVID year [in here]".
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 23, 2024, 07:11:51 PM
FS1's Dave Sims on the Georgetown crowd: "It's like the COVID year [in here]".
Cooley will have the Hoyas competing for an NCAA bid next year I think, but I am a bit surprised he wasn't able to put more butts in the seat in year one.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 23, 2024, 07:29:07 PM
Cooley will have the Hoyas competing for an NCAA bid next year I think, but I am a bit surprised he wasn't able to put more butts in the seat in year one.
The fan base hasn't come back. It's in DePaul territory.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 23, 2024, 07:04:10 PM
Pierre Brooks was an outstanding portal addition for Butler. Having another excellent night tonight. Bulldogs comfortably ahead of the The Hoyas on the road.
Definitely. They played the portal well in completely building a new roster.
X playing some good ball. Their offense been on fire lately
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2024, 08:29:40 PM
X playing some good ball. Their offense been on fire lately
Who do we want here?
Johnnies looking to end losing streak
https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/sports/st-johns-needs-to-end-skid-vs-villanova-for-sanitys-sake/amp/
The Jays are on upset alert. Getting torched in transition.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 23, 2024, 08:52:20 PM
The Jays are on upset alert. Getting torched in transition.
Trey Alexander is a lot of fun to watch. Another excellent Big East guard.
Creighton played well down the stretch.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 23, 2024, 07:29:07 PM
Cooley will have the Hoyas competing for an NCAA bid next year I think, but I am a bit surprised he wasn't able to put more butts in the seat in year one.
Just finished the "Divine Providence" documentary by Big East Films on YouTube. At the end, they said that tickets for Ed's return to Providence on the 27th are going for as much as $6400.
Interesting watch. Lots of commentary by John Fanta. If you follow Casual Hoya on Twitter, he's in it as well.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 23, 2024, 09:33:07 PM
Creighton played well down the stretch.
Blue Jays having a solid season.
For the people expressing concern about major minutes by our starters. Start watching some of these games around the league. A lot of teams play their guys full games especially this time of the year. These kids are young.
Dont get me wrong I want Chase back ASAP. And would love if Zaide can keep giving 15 good minutes and if Tre can find something too.
But we can play the studs too(hopefully tomorrow they wont be needed for a full game)
Schierman has sat 43 SECONDS in the last FOUR games for Creighton. That includes 3 OT.
Kansas has had a brutal bench all year and with Furphy emerging and taking Jacksons role their bench is even worse. They run their 5.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2024, 09:40:15 PM
For the people expressing concern about major minutes by our starters. Start watching some of these games around the league. A lot of teams play their guys full games especially this time of the year. These kids are young.
Dont get me wrong I want Chase back ASAP. And would love if Zaide can keep giving 15 good minutes and if Tre can find something too.
But we can play the studs too(hopefully tomorrow they wont be needed for a full game)
Schierman has sat 43 SECONDS in the last FOUR games for Creighton. That includes 3 OT.
Kansas has had a brutal bench all year and with Furphy emerging and taking Jacksons role their bench is even worse. They run their 5.
The thing is Shaka's style of defense is better if you rotate and give guys rest.
Not watching but The Hall with 2 total fouls at half. Either Providence is only taking 3s or once again no fouls being called.
Sounds like Richmond got benched/suspended for tonights game.
"undisclosed reasons" but doesnt appear to be injury related.
The Hall performing well without their star
Herman jinx.
This would be a heck of a win for Prov. I've just caught the last few mins but the game looks super physical.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 07:22:53 PM
This would be a heck of a win for Prov. I've just caught the last few mins but the game looks super physical.
Very physical
Richmond is out?
Three putrid possessions by Providence. But they still might get the win.
I admire Addae-Wusu being 0-11 from the floor and still being willing to shoot a mid shot clock 3 down 3 late in the game.
Chutzpah
Wow. Huge win for Prov.
0/13 in a 4 pt loss is a tough one to shoulder
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 07:38:49 PM
Wow. Huge win for Prov.
Excellent road win for The Friars
https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/sports/st-johns-needs-to-end-skid-vs-villanova-for-sanitys-sake/
Inexcusable for Seton Hall to lose
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 07:42:36 PM
Inexcusable for Seton Hall to lose
I think their best player was out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 07:44:43 PM
I think their best player was out.
Doesn't matter. Next man up.
Richmond was out.
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2024, 07:51:03 PM
Richmond was out.
With Illness or injury? Any idea if he'll be back Saturday.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2024, 07:57:05 PM
With Illness or injury? Any idea if he'll be back Saturday.
undisclosed
He was there and walking around in warm ups and on bench. Discipline is most likely
St.J taking care of Nova pretty comfortably.
Fouls ate driving me up the freaking wall.
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Pitino has that team playing a much better style of basketball than their prior coaches .
Nova perhaps hasn't figured it out despite Moore being back and them being a "completely different team" that lost to Penn, St. Joe's, and Drexel.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 10:03:16 PM
Nova perhaps hasn't figured it out despite Moore being back and them being a "completely different team" that lost to Penn, St. Joe's, and Drexel.
SJU is a horrid match up for them too imo
Dixon is not the type of big to be able to expose Soriano. And Nova just launches 3s which doesnt work into the paint and get him moving either.
Then SJU way more athletic on other end.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2024, 07:57:05 PM
With Illness or injury? Any idea if he'll be back Saturday.
Apparently not even Sha knows.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2024, 10:12:46 PM
SJU is a horrid match up for them too imo
Dixon is not the type of big to be able to expose Soriano. And Nova just launches 3s which doesnt work into the paint and get him moving either.
Then SJU way more athletic on other end.
It's hard to evaluate the BEast other than UCONN. That said I think even with 2 rotational players out MU is at worst 3rd. Kam needs to find his mojo for sure but I'm just responding to certain posters who gave us little chance vs Nova because of our debacle vs Butler. They're frankly average at best and wildly inconsistent.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 23, 2024, 07:11:51 PM
FS1's Dave Sims on the Georgetown crowd: "It's like the COVID year [in here]".
🤣
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 10:03:16 PM
Nova perhaps hasn't figured it out despite Moore being back and them being a "completely different team" that lost to Penn, St. Joe's, and Drexel.
Nova hasn't figured out it's got the wrong coach.
Takes 5 years to judge
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2024, 10:17:34 PM
Apparently not even Sha knows.
"He's got some soreness going on with his body," Holloway said of Richmond, declining to specify where. "I found out he wasn't going to play at the shootaround. I don't know the timetable (for a return). I don't know too much; he's got some soreness going on."
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 24, 2024, 09:47:08 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Pitino has that team playing a much better style of basketball than their prior coaches .
It also helps when your entire roster consists of Division I experienced transfer portal guys (including Soriano), a Top 30 freshman recruit in Wilcher and an overachieving freshman in Dunlap. Give Pitino credit for filling out the roster and let's see how second half of BE play goes with the players getting use to each other.
Richmond had back issues last season.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2024, 06:54:36 AM
Richmond had back issues last season.
Mutiny in Jersey is what I'm hearing
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 25, 2024, 06:52:26 AM
"He's got some soreness going on with his body," Holloway said of Richmond, declining to specify where. "I found out he wasn't going to play at the shootaround. I don't know the timetable (for a return). I don't know too much; he's got some soreness going on."
That dude needs to learn that saying nothing is free.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 25, 2024, 08:35:39 AM
That dude needs to learn that saying nothing is free.
Definitely my least favorite Big East coach.
Yeah I guess the reason for undisclosed on Richmond was he has soreness and doesnt know where???
I listed to twitter and assumed disciplinary since they said undisclosed and he might play off bench. He wasnt even dressed.
Will be interesting to see if he can go Saturday.
When I heard the "soreness" part, I assumed he had a hurt ego. Those are tricky injuries.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2024, 10:03:16 PM
Nova perhaps hasn't figured it out despite Moore being back and them being a "completely different team" that lost to Penn, St. Joe's, and Drexel.
Nova is also a team that won at Creighton and took UConn to the last minute.
They are going to be tough for MU to beat next week, especially if they can figure out a way to keep MU from getting 20 or 30 uncontested layups and dunks.
Quote from: wisblue on January 25, 2024, 02:44:25 PM
Nova is also a team that won at Creighton and took UConn to the last minute.
They are going to be tough for MU to beat next week, especially if they can figure out a way to keep MU from getting 20 or 30 uncontested layups and dunks.
Ya.....how exactly are they different than every other team projected 4-9 in the BEast Blue?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2024, 03:22:13 PM
Ya.....how exactly are they different than every other team projected 4-9 in the BEast Blue?
They have three guys who were on a Final Four team. Till they're gone I'm not counting them out of being able to pull off big wins... in spite of Neptune.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2024, 03:22:13 PM
Ya.....how exactly are they different than every other team projected 4-9 in the BEast Blue?
I would say 2-9 instead of 4-9.
Maybe they aren't much different than some of the other BE teams that have been and will be tough for MU to beat. St. John's is apparently just a bad match up for them.
They must have some redeeming qualities for Ken Pom to project them with a 51% chance of beating MU next week and to finish 11-9 in the BE, just one game behind MU.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2024, 04:47:07 PM
They have three guys who were on a Final Four team. Till they're gone I'm not counting them out of being able to pull off big wins... in spite of Neptune.
I think everyone in the BEast can pull off some big wins minus DePaul and Gtown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2024, 05:24:33 PM
I think everyone in the BEast can pull off some big wins minus DePaul and Gtown.
DePaul is gonna get someone now that they have a competent coach.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 25, 2024, 07:19:27 PM
DePaul is gonna get someone now that they have a competent coach.
Yep.
Johnnies getting good press with Pitino in charge
https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/sports/st-johns-provides-another-big-glimpse-of-what-they-can-be/
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 25, 2024, 06:52:26 AM
"He's got some soreness going on with his body," Holloway said of Richmond, declining to specify where. "I found out he wasn't going to play at the shootaround. I don't know the timetable (for a return). I don't know too much; he's got some soreness going on."
JFB like
https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/sports/shaheen-holloways-seton-hall-turnaround-has-come-out-of-nowhere/
Mr Cooley returning to Providence . Hoyas keeping it close.
Watching this butler nova game. Just can't over that loss ugh so bad lol, trying to write it off as fluke but damn
Quote from: Johnny B on January 27, 2024, 03:44:24 PM
Watching this butler nova game. Just can't over that loss ugh so bad lol, trying to write it off as fluke but damn
Kentucky lost at home to UNC-Wilmington. Madison got beat by a dreadful Penn State team. Northwestern lost at home to probably the worst college basketball program of the past several decades.
It's sports.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2024, 03:49:24 PM
Kentucky lost at home to UNC-Wilmington. Madison got beat by a dreadful Penn State team. Northwestern lost at home to probably the worst college basketball program of the past several decades.
It's sports.
Is my phone wrong or did Butler lose to Villanova?
Butler wins in double OT.
I've had a feeling that Villanova might not dance this year, and I'm more confident now that they might implode.
New coach gonna be gone in a few years
Quote from: DoctorV on January 27, 2024, 06:01:03 PM
Butler wins in double OT.
I've had a feeling that Villanova might not dance this year, and I'm more confident now that they might implode.
New coach gonna be gone in a few years
But according to some people here "they have Final 4 experience" and "are a different team that lost to Drexel and Penn and St.Joe's". Now, that doesn't mean they can't beat us or anyone in the BEast Dr. V. They nearly beat UCONN and beat UNC. But this idea that they're different/better than any of the 2-9 teams in the league is total nonsense.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 27, 2024, 06:01:03 PM
Butler wins in double OT.
I've had a feeling that Villanova might not dance this year, and I'm more confident now that they might implode.
New coach gonna be gone in a few years
Matta getting the most out of The Bulldogs .
Quote from: DoctorV on January 27, 2024, 06:01:03 PM
Butler wins in double OT.
I've had a feeling that Villanova might not dance this year, and I'm more confident now that they might implode.
New coach gonna be gone in a few years
I think "New coach gonna be gone" before that.
They look so different from the finely tuned team that Jay created. Nova always looked cool, calm, and in control no matter what. I get that every coach needs to create his own systems, offense and defense, but saving what was good from your predecessor shows wisdom. And that's what Neptune lacks. He inherited talent, but wisdom is not inherited.
I like our chances in Philly.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 27, 2024, 06:05:14 PM
But according to some people here "they have Final 4 experience" and "are a different team that lost to Drexel and Penn and St.Joe's". Now, that doesn't mean they can't beat us or anyone in the BEast Dr. V. They nearly beat UCONN and beat UNC. But this idea that they're different/better than any of the 2-9 teams in the league is total nonsense.
They do have final experience that's fact not opinion, it's your opinion that that doesn't hold any weight
They beat UNC, Texas Tech, and Memphis, and Creighton. That sets them apart from all the middle of the pack teams.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 27, 2024, 06:00:26 PM
Is my phone wrong or did Butler lose to Villanova?
They won a home game in 2 OT. Your point?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2024, 06:49:49 PM
They do have final experience that's fact not opinion, it's your opinion that that doesn't hold any weight
They beat UNC, Texas Tech, and Memphis, and Creighton. That sets them apart from all the middle of the pack teams.
Do we just completely neglect that they're 11-9 and not take into account their losses? And it was mentioned numerous times that they're a different team than they were at the beginning of the year and Moore was out. As far as the Creighton win in particular that was very similar to our loss vs Butler. Creighton literally could not make an open shot. I think it's extremely difficult to argue that they've distinguished themselves from the projected middle of the pack teams in our league.
Quote from: wisblue on January 27, 2024, 06:56:35 PM
They won a home game in 2 OT. Your point?
My point is you're grasping at straws with respect to how good Nova is relative to the rest of the teams in our league minus DePaul and Gtown. They are who they are. Wildly inconsistent with a coach many think is marginal at best. And I also heard they blew a comfortable lead at Hinkle.
Muggsy I think they have plenty of talent, but are just extremely poorly coached.
I couldn't believe my eyes in the first 10 minutes of Marquettes game against them when MU went to the hoop time after time for a layup and dunk clinic.
Our guys were coming off of SEVERAL consecutive brutal shooting games and had a lot of problems, and it was almost as if Neptune had no idea.
His squad came out pressuring the ball miles away from the hoop and got burned.
I think it really helped Marquette tbh. Kolek has been much better as a distributor since that game.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 27, 2024, 08:09:15 PM
Muggsy I think they have plenty of talent, but are just extremely poorly coached.
I couldn't believe my eyes in the first 10 minutes of Marquettes game against them when MU went to the hoop time after time for a layup and dunk clinic.
Our guys were coming off of SEVERAL consecutive brutal shooting games and had a lot of problems, and it was almost as if Neptune had no idea.
His squad came out pressuring the ball miles away from the hoop and got burned.
I think it really helped Marquette tbh. Kolek has been much better as a distributor since that game.
Neptune is a good guy but in way over his head, imo. I'd like to see Nova get burned on that hire because he doesn't have the resume to have deserved that job. Didn't Jay Wright have a lot of influence in that hire?
Muggsy
Based on a good number of wusblue's posts, I am not sure he is very bullish on MU and appears bullish on other BE teams. From my perspective, being water boarded by Fluff would be more enjoyable than debating blue.
Blue Jays with Solid win over Blue Demons on Pink Out Day in Omaha.
Seems like the Blue Demons have had a little more energy the last few games coming out of the gate.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 27, 2024, 08:41:16 PM
Blue Jays with Solid win over Blue Demons on Pink Out Day in Omaha.
Seems like the Blue Demons have had a little more energy the last few games coming out of the gate.
Only up 3 at halftime. Took 20 minutes to get going.
Mr Cooley return to Providence was emotional for all
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/georgetown-coach-ed-cooley-returns-to-providence-but-handles-loss-hostile-reception-by-friar-fans-with-class/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 27, 2024, 08:41:16 PM
Blue Jays with Solid win over Blue Demons on Pink Out Day in Omaha.
Seems like the Blue Demons have had a little more energy the last few games coming out of the gate.
Blue, blue! The Stubblefield legacy persists!
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 27, 2024, 07:06:12 PM
My point is you're grasping at straws with respect to how good Nova is relative to the rest of the teams in our league minus DePaul and Gtown. They are who they are. Wildly inconsistent with a coach many think is marginal at best. And I also heard they blew a comfortable lead at Hinkle.
I don't think I ever said that Nova is significantly better than the teams in the big pack in the Big East.There are now 8 teams with between 3 and 5 conference losses and some of that difference is a function of who has played more home games and who has had key injuries.
But, if pressed, I would argue that Nova is better than several of the teams in that pack, and ratings like Pomeroy and NET would back that up. They may be wildly (and for their fans, maddeningly) inconsistent, but I think their better games show how dangerous they could be. If MU has to face them on Tuesday with Kam Jones joining Ross and Sean Jones on the injured list, it could be a long night.
I do agree after seeing more of them that they appear to be poorly coached. Their defensive strategy in the first half against MU was laughably incompetent. As was their defense at the end of regulation and the first OT when they allowed uncontested layups in the final seconds to tie the game.
Quote from: Goose on January 27, 2024, 08:28:05 PM
Muggsy
Based on a good number of wusblue's posts, I am not sure he is very bullish on MU and appears bullish on other BE teams. From my perspective, being water boarded by Fluff would be more enjoyable than debating blue.
You are correct that I am less bullish on MU and more bullish on other BE teams than the posters who predicted MU to go 18-2 in the conference and who considered anyone who predicted as many as 5 conference losses to be COLE.
Quote from: wisblue on January 27, 2024, 09:50:23 PM
You are correct that I am less bullish on MU and more bullish on other BE teams than the posters who predicted MU to go 18-2 in the conference and who considered anyone who predicted as many as 5 conference losses to be COLE.
That's good on you. You were right.
How bullish were you on MU before last season?
I'm not trying to deride you at all; you consistently make reasonable points, and it's probably good that we have a few less rah-rah posters here. But I'll be
real impressed with your prognosticating ability if you went against the grain in November 2022 and said Marquette would challenge for the 2023 Big East title.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2024, 09:54:39 PM
That's good on you. You were right.
How bullish were you on MU before last season?
I'm not trying to deride you at all; you consistently make reasonable points, and it's probably good that we have a few less rah-rah posters here. But I'll be real impressed with your prognosticating ability if you went against the grain in November 2022 and said Marquette would challenge for the 2023 Big East title.
I did not expect MU to challenge for the BE title last year, though after seeing them in the OOC games I would not have picked them 9th, and I don't think most of the league coaches would have either.
Before the season I had very low expectations, but by the time the conference started I thought they had a good shot to make the NCAA tournament with a conference record over .500. Obviously they significantly exceeded those expectations.
I don't claim to be a great prognosticator, but I do have my opinions and expectations and will express them even if they offend homers. I also think that opinions and expectations can and should change as a season progresses and more evidence becomes available.
There are still two teams at the top (MU, UConn), two at the bottom (Georgetown, DePaul), and seven you could pick out of a hat.
Quote from: wisblue on January 27, 2024, 09:59:50 PM
I did not expect MU to challenge for the BE title last year, though after seeing them in the OOC games I would not have picked them 9th, and I don't think most of the league coaches would have either.
Before the season I had very low expectations, but by the time the conference started I thought they had a good shot to make the NCAA tournament with a conference record over .500. Obviously they significantly exceeded those expectations.
Do you have higher expectations for Nova than you do MU? Name the teams other than UCONN that you have higher expectations for over Marquette.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 27, 2024, 07:00:45 PM
Do we just completely neglect that they're 11-9 and not take into account their losses? And it was mentioned numerous times that they're a different team than they were at the beginning of the year and Moore was out. As far as the Creighton win in particular that was very similar to our loss vs Butler. Creighton literally could not make an open shot. I think it's extremely difficult to argue that they've distinguished themselves from the projected middle of the pack teams in our league.
No? I believe I indicated that they could beat anyone, they can as their wins indicate. I'm not sure qualifying a loss with us as the comparison is the best argument when talking about how we should easily beat them lol. Who of the middle of the pack has equivalent wins in the non con?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 28, 2024, 01:41:23 AM
No? I believe I indicated that they could beat anyone can as their wins indicate. I'm not sure qualifying a loss with us as the comparison is the best argument when talking about how we should easily beat them lol. Who of the middle of the pack has equivalent wins in the non con?
Yes, they can beat anyone but also lose to any team 1-9. The fact that they have better wins in the n-c doesn't mean the other teams can't beat anyone. Butler beat us in Milwaukee. Seton Hall and Xavier lost nailbiters to Creighton when Creighton was making shot after shot after shot. Against Villanova in Omaha Creighton had an atrocious wide open shooting game just like we did vs Butler. Now maybe Providence has too much to overcome losing Hopkins, but every team in the BEast 1-8 or 9 can beat each other. Since Nova got that fortunate win in Omaha a month ago there isn't anything they've shown on the court that separates them from the log-jam.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2024, 12:27:08 AM
Do you have higher expectations for Nova than you do MU? Name the teams other than UCONN that you have higher expectations for over Marquette.
You're really moving the goalposts now aren't you?
Did I ever say that Nova was better than MU or that I expected them to finish ahead of MU in the conference standings?
But, since you asked, no I don't have higher expectations for Nova than for MU. I still expect MU to finish a game or two ahead of Nova in the conference standings. If MU can beat Nova on its home court those expectations will change.
Do you think because Nova lost to Penn, Drexel, St. Joseph's and Butler that MU should have no trouble with them?
I really think nova needs to pull the plug on Neptune after this year. They can only live off the Jay wright glow for so long and need to capitalize on a bigger name while they still can.
*saying this without any idea of the buyout situation
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 28, 2024, 01:41:23 AM
No? I believe I indicated that they could beat anyone, they can as their wins indicate. I'm not sure qualifying a loss with us as the comparison is the best argument when talking about how we should easily beat them lol. Who of the middle of the pack has equivalent wins in the non con?
Muggsy still hasn't recovered from a comment I made before Nova's first game against MU that Nova has a talented, veteran team that is better than it was in November and December when they took those OOC losses. Somehow he interpreted that as being negative about MU.
Quote from: wisblue on January 27, 2024, 09:59:50 PM
I did not expect MU to challenge for the BE title last year, though after seeing them in the OOC games I would not have picked them 9th, and I don't think most of the league coaches would have either.
Before the season I had very low expectations, but by the time the conference started I thought they had a good shot to make the NCAA tournament with a conference record over .500. Obviously they significantly exceeded those expectations.
I don't claim to be a great prognosticator, but I do have my opinions and expectations and will express them even if they offend homers. I also think that opinions and expectations can and should change as a season progresses and more evidence becomes available.
I agree with all of that, and I thank you for your honest response.
FWIW (not much), I think we have a very good team this season that is currently reaping a weird kind of reward from the injuries we've suffered. Gold, Joplin and Mitchell, in particular, have made progress, as has Lowery. When Ross and Kam are healthy, we will be deeper and better-suited for March (and hopefully April).
But I'm an glass-half-full kind of guy who tends to have high expectations, so that probably limits my ability to be a great prognosticator, too.
Thanks for the conversation.
Really would be nice if UConn played a Sunday morning dud today...
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2024, 07:33:35 AM
I agree with all of that, and I thank you for your honest response.
FWIW (not much), I think we have a very good team this season that is currently reaping a weird kind of reward from the injuries we've suffered. Gold, Joplin and Mitchell, in particular, have made progress, as has Lowery. When Ross and Kam are healthy, we will be deeper and better-suited for March (and hopefully April).
But I'm an glass-half-full kind of guy who tends to have high expectations, so that probably limits my ability to be a great prognosticator, too.
Thanks for the conversation.
I agree with the middle paragraph 82. The players getting more minutes are having to step up their game. The rotations Shaka has to play with Gold, Joplin and Oso in at the same time are demonstrating a lineup that can rebound and play really good interior defense when needed. Hell they are even disruptive on the perimeter. This may not have happened as often with everyone healthy.
Cant wait for Ross to get back though. Having that extra athletic lock down defender will be nice when they play UConn twice and Creighton on the road.
Hopefully this team is rounding into form. Just have to keep making threes to keep defenses honest and they should be able to beat anyone.
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2024, 07:33:35 AM
I agree with all of that, and I thank you for your honest response.
FWIW (not much), I think we have a very good team this season that is currently reaping a weird kind of reward from the injuries we've suffered. Gold, Joplin and Mitchell, in particular, have made progress, as has Lowery. When Ross and Kam are healthy, we will be deeper and better-suited for March (and hopefully April).
But I'm an glass-half-full kind of guy who tends to have high expectations, so that probably limits my ability to be a great prognosticator, too.
Thanks for the conversation.
I think the bolded gets to the heart of the discussion. I do not see blue as either a glass half full/half empty guy (and I do not think you were implying that) and I like reading his posts because I think his opinions are a reality check. He pulls no punches. BAM! Because of this MO, his opinions contribute to discussions.
I pride myself on being a hard-nosed realist in almost all matters, but I confess that my soft spot for Marquette is an exception. Wisblue's posts sometimes are like Leroy Gibbs' dope slaps on older NCIS episodes.
Crowd chant at the Amp was impressive
https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/sports/ed-cooley-showered-with-boos-vulgar-chant-in-providence-return/
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2024, 05:52:26 AM
You're really moving the goalposts now aren't you?
Did I ever say that Nova was better than MU or that I expected them to finish ahead of MU in the conference standings?
But, since you asked, no I don't have higher expectations for Nova than for MU. I still expect MU to finish a game or two ahead of Nova in the conference standings. If MU can beat Nova on its home court those expectations will change.
Do you think because Nova lost to Penn, Drexel, St. Joseph's and Butler that MU should have no trouble with them?
No, nor did I ever remotely say that. They're 11-9 and 9th in our conference. Maybe they wind up 5th but I don't see anything to suggest they're automatically better than the teams ahead of them. They also blew a 11 point lead with 4:30 to go yesterday. We laid an Emu egg against Butler, which sucks. We have two rotational players out, that also sucks. That said I think we're fighting and are more than capable of winding up a 2 or 3 seed.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 28, 2024, 09:23:08 AM
Crowd chant at the Amp was impressive
https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/sports/ed-cooley-showered-with-boos-vulgar-chant-in-providence-return/
Doc pic? NY Post hey?
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 28, 2024, 07:34:09 AM
Really would be nice if UConn played a Sunday morning dud today...
Like almost all teams that have to work a number of freshmen and transfers into their systems, Xavier has been a work in progress. So, I don't focus too much on their overall record of 10-9 and the fact that they lost home games against Oakland and Delaware in late November and early December.
I think they have improved a lot since then, as evidenced by playing UConn tough in their first meeting and routing Seton Hall, Butler, and Providence. But, they are inconsistent. In their last two games they were fortunate to come from behind to beat Georgetown at home, then turned around and took Creighton to the wire in Omaha.
I can't say I'm too confident that the Muskies have what it takes to take down the Huskies today. With Clingan back (he didn't play in the first meeting) UConn's defense has been suffocating in their wins over Creighton and Villanova. Maybe they won't cover the 12 point spread, but I'll be pretty shocked if they don't win.
wisblue
There still some time to see how good the BE is and I'm not ready to say this is even a good year for the BE. IMO, UConn and MU are the best two teams, followed by Creighton. At this point, I think SJ is the best of the rest and not a lot behind that.
That said, MU might lose 3-4 more BE games before it is over, but I don't that is because of a strong BE this season. If I was predicting right now, I think UConn runs away with it and second place ends up with a minimum of 5 losses and probably more. MU shot themselves in the foot with the Butler loss and pick Providence of SH as major hiccups. Good news, they will end up a 3 seed or better.
FS1 just had on their bottom line that Xavier was the only team to UCONN twice last year. Smh.
Not a good start for XU.
31-7 now for UConn. Hurley needs to be reminded that the US Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm not sure I've seen 36-7 before In the BEast. Will XU break 15 by half-time?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2024, 11:34:57 AM
I'm not sure I've seen 36-7 before In the BEast. Will XU break 15 by half-time?
What an absolute beat down.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2024, 11:08:32 AM
FS1 just had on their bottom line that Xavier was the only team to UCONN twice last year. Smh.
No doubt referring to the regular season.
Maybe they should have said only BE team not to lose to UConn last year.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 28, 2024, 11:47:25 AM
What an absolute beat down.
Like a piñata at a Mexican birthday party.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2024, 11:34:57 AM
I'm not sure I've seen 36-7 before In the BEast. Will XU break 15 by half-time?
I'm reminded of the one time we went to the BE Tournament because it came during our daughters' spring break from MU.
At halftime of their first game MU led St. John's 39-10.
Nice halftime feature.
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2024, 11:56:36 AM
I'm reminded of the one time we went to the BE Tournament because it came during our daughters' spring break from MU.
At halftime of their first game MU led St. John's 39-10.
Probably the same game my wife and I were at. If so, I think we won by a tad over 30. I posted this before, but a fairly small woman in SJ gear just in front of us loudly cheered on her team non-stop. She was a two-legged megaphone.
What UConn has done to Xavier is criminal
What did Sean Miller do to deserve that carnage?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 12:37:57 PM
What UConn has done to Xavier is criminal
Ha! Yes it was. UConn was dominant. MU's defense will have to be just as suffocating for us to have a chance. Damn they looked good.
If Villanova can't beat us on Tuesday with our 7 man rotation, stick a fork in em, they don't deserve to dance.
(Assuming Kam is out of course)
Kolek
Mitchell
Joplin
Gold
Ighodaro
Lowery
Norman
Maaaaaybe Amadou
I'm excited from our perspective to see this group battle. Young guys gain some experience, Kolek and Oso lead the charge, Joplin and Gold get expanded roles and Stevie is Stevie. Q1 game either way so we have nothing to lose. Should be a blast.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 01:39:16 PM
If Villanova can't beat us on Tuesday with our 7 man rotation, stick a fork in em, they don't deserve to dance.
(Assuming Kam is out of course)
Kolek
Mitchell
Joplin
Gold
Ighodaro
Lowery
Norman
Maaaaaybe Amadou
I'm excited from our perspective to see this group battle. Young guys gain some experience, Kolek and Oso lead the charge, Joplin and Gold get expanded roles and Stevie is Stevie. Q1 game either way so we have nothing to lose. Should be a blast.
You are forgetting Chase
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 28, 2024, 01:41:59 PM
You are forgetting Chase
He has not been practicing, just some light shooting per Shaka. Still rehabbing.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 28, 2024, 01:41:59 PM
You are forgetting Chase
He'll be out a few weeks at minimum yet.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 01:48:29 PM
He'll be out a few weeks at minimum yet.
I don't think he's back Tuesday but I strongly doubt he's out 3 more weeks at minimum, either.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2024, 01:53:54 PM
I don't think he's back Tuesday but I strongly doubt he's out 3 more weeks at minimum, either.
Shaka said yesterday he hasn't been cleared for contact. Next step is getting cleared for contact and when he does they will get him practicing and see how that goes. Sounds like we are a couple weeks away yet based on those words.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 02:01:33 PM
Shaka said yesterday he hasn't been cleared for contact. Next step is getting cleared for contact and when he does they will get him practicing and see how that goes. Sounds like we are a couple weeks away yet based on those words.
We will see but Shaka likes to play poker too.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 28, 2024, 08:35:26 AM
I agree with the middle paragraph 82. The players getting more minutes are having to step up their game. The rotations Shaka has to play with Gold, Joplin and Oso in at the same time are demonstrating a lineup that can rebound and play really good interior defense when needed. Hell they are even disruptive on the perimeter. This may not have happened as often with everyone healthy.
Cant wait for Ross to get back though. Having that extra athletic lock down defender will be nice when they play UConn twice and Creighton on the road.
Hopefully this team is rounding into form. Just have to keep making threes to keep defenses honest and they should be able to beat anyone.
Yep.
Someone asked Shaka a question about this lineup in the presser (I think Ben, solid question) and Shaka responded with something along the lines of how he was forced into it due to Kam's injury and how surprised he was that it worked so well.
He then said they would likely be trying it again.
Hopefully it's not just small sample size and a one off, because if this team can play with those 3 guys on the court at the same time, rebounding and making shots the way they are capable, along with TyKo and any other guard- Kam for the most elite offensive package, Stevie for the added defense, Zaide or Chase for jumbo size plus elite defense- it completely changes the trajectory of this years team and its abilities.
Benny and Joplins abilities to defend and rebound, as well as make some open shots, how pretty quickly become my biggest keys to this team being a Final Four caliber squad.
I just couldn't help but think to myself on several occasions yesterday "man imagine this team with these bigs playing this way AND TyKo+Kam+Stevie on their games.
Makes me giddy as hell.
As an aside, I also think that Jop/Benny/Stevie improvements that we've seen since the injuries allow Chase to fall back into his previous role of elite energy defensive stopper off the bench, which will suit him better after injury and take the pressure off him to jump to that next gear. Any offense/scoring is just icing and the cake and hopefully it comes easier with less pressure.
Sure seems like things are coming together nicely, if we can get "the best backcourt in the country" to play like it!
I don't see Ross playing next week if he hasn't even practiced yet.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see Kam Jones playing on Tuesday.
In my younger days I played about 40 years of basketball at various levels of competition and had my share of sprained, twisted, and tweaked ankles. Some were bad enough to keep me sidelined for a week or two, but if Kam felt good enough to try to see if he could go yesterday his injury probably isn't that bad. With a couple more days of professional treatment he could be ready to go by Tuesday.
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2024, 02:40:18 PM
I don't see Ross playing next week if he hasn't even practiced yet.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see Kam Jones playing on Tuesday.
In my younger days I played about 40 years of basketball at various levels of competition and had my share of sprained, twisted, and tweaked ankles. Some were bad enough to keep me sidelined for a week or two, but if Kam felt good enough to try to see if he could go yesterday his injury probably isn't that bad. With a couple more days of professional treatment he could be ready to go by Tuesday.
Good point. Anybody who's played any amount of hoops has sprained his or her ankle, sometimes fairly badly. But few of us had a medical team working OT to get us healthy.
My daughter had a pretty bad sprain in high school and the injury lingered for 3 weeks. She had an injury in college that she said the day it happened was worse. But she was back within a week thanks in part to a full-time professional training staff. And that was just at the D3 level.
I don't want Kam to play unless he's darn close to 100% because he is too important for the overall goal. But you definitely might be right about our medical/training staff being able to get him right back out there.
U Conn with Excellent win over X
Will be interesting to see how much X NET goes down. Not necessarily helping The Big East cause
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 01:39:16 PM
If Villanova can't beat us on Tuesday with our 7 man rotation, stick a fork in em, they don't deserve to dance.
(Assuming Kam is out of course)
Kolek
Mitchell
Joplin
Gold
Ighodaro
Lowery
Norman
Maaaaaybe Amadou
I'm excited from our perspective to see this group battle. Young guys gain some experience, Kolek and Oso lead the charge, Joplin and Gold get expanded roles and Stevie is Stevie. Q1 game either way so we have nothing to lose. Should be a blast.
Al will only be playing for the last 2 minutes if we are in a blowout. He is not in any rotation.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 02:01:33 PM
Shaka said yesterday he hasn't been cleared for contact. Next step is getting cleared for contact and when he does they will get him practicing and see how that goes. Sounds like we are a couple weeks away yet based on those words.
It doesn't sound at all like he's a couple of weeks away. He's day-to-day. If he's cleared for practice this week and he doesn't have any setbacks it's not going to take another 2 weeks to be ready.
Well, Marquette beat them 3 times
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2024, 11:08:32 AM
FS1 just had on their bottom line that Xavier was the only team to UCONN twice last year. Smh.
Win in Milwaukee
Loss in Storrs
Win in MSG.
Two wins
Ugh. In my head we did. Creighton we beat 3 times
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2024, 06:00:44 PM
Win in Milwaukee
Loss in Storrs
Win in MSG.
Two wins
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 28, 2024, 05:21:50 PM
Al will only be playing for the last 2 minutes if we are in a blowout. He is not in any rotation.
Makes you wonder if he should have shopped from the red shirt section.
Next years "bigs" will be VERY interesting to monitor.
Shaka definitely expects a lot from the 5 spot and you don't play if you don't give it- although a lot of that could be the Oso effect.
We will be looking at
Ben, Al, Caedin, and Royce in play at the 5.
Jop, Ben, Royce, Damarius, Zaide/Chase (way more at the 3) in play at the 4.
Those two spots should comprise of the above guys with 1-3 spots having a lot of variability depending on Kam/Tyko and/or any possible additions.
I still think the play for Shaka this offseason- if he decides to add- is the best scorer available at any position, whether a big/wing/pg.
If Kolek AND Kam leave the above is a necessity imo. If only Kolek leaves Kam and Jop will score in bunches on their own so it's not as important.
I think the team will be rock solid defensively no matter what with guys like Stevie, Chase, Zaide etc getting plenty of minutes to go along with the length and athleticism that will be on the court at all times.
I'd salivate at an athletic wing/big that can fill it up and join a lineup with Kam and Jop to go along with all the solid defensive options.
Is it November yet?!?
Jk MU82 don't kill me I'm not looking ahead, not this year!
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 28, 2024, 06:20:07 PM
Ugh. In my head we did. Creighton we beat 3 times
Also two. December 16 in Milwaukee and February 21 in Omaha. Didn't play them at MSG because they lost to Xavier in the semis. The only team we beat 3 times was St. John's.
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2024, 06:00:44 PM
Win in Milwaukee
Loss in Storrs
Win in MSG.
Two wins
Hartford
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 28, 2024, 06:20:07 PM
Ugh. In my head we did. Creighton we beat 3 times
MUWBB beat UCONN once so three was correct
Quote from: DoctorV on January 28, 2024, 06:39:14 PM
Jk MU82 don't kill me I'm not looking ahead, not this year!
No weapons drawn. I like to look ahead sometimes, though usually only a game or three ahead. In fact, I laugh at those who say fans talking about a game 2 weeks away somehow influences how the team plays the next game.
I do implore folks to enjoy the specialness of this season, and you usually do.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 28, 2024, 06:39:14 PM
Makes you wonder if he should have shopped from the red shirt section.
Next years "bigs" will be VERY interesting to monitor.
Shaka definitely expects a lot from the 5 spot and you don't play if you don't give it- although a lot of that could be the Oso effect.
We will be looking at
Ben, Al, Caedin, and Royce in play at the 5.
Jop, Ben, Royce, Damarius, Zaide/Chase (way more at the 3) in play at the 4.
Those two spots should comprise of the above guys with 1-3 spots having a lot of variability depending on Kam/Tyko and/or any possible additions.
I still think the play for Shaka this offseason- if he decides to add- is the best scorer available at any position, whether a big/wing/pg.
If Kolek AND Kam leave the above is a necessity imo. If only Kolek leaves Kam and Jop will score in bunches on their own so it's not as important.
I think the team will be rock solid defensively no matter what with guys like Stevie, Chase, Zaide etc getting plenty of minutes to go along with the length and athleticism that will be on the court at all times.
I'd salivate at an athletic wing/big that can fill it up and join a lineup with Kam and Jop to go along with all the solid defensive options.
Is it November yet?!?
Jk MU82 don't kill me I'm not looking ahead, not this year!
How MU plays this year, it probably be a different type of offense next year
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 28, 2024, 09:00:27 PM
How MU plays this year, it probably be a different type of offense next year
I think it will be very similar.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 28, 2024, 09:00:27 PM
How MU plays this year, it probably be a different type of offense next year
Only if Nevada leaves. This is his offense. It will be a 5 out motion with minor adjustments that we are already seeing. More pick and pop with Ben. Perhaps some pick and pop with Jop. Still going to see the same series of screens and ghost screens. There will be some tweaking due to personnel. Concepts will be the same, similar to Nova under Wright.
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2024, 09:10:06 PM
Only if Nevada leaves. This is his offense. It will be a 5 out motion with minor adjustments that we are already seeing. More pick and pop with Ben. Perhaps some pick and pop with Jop. Still going to see the same series of screens and ghost screens. There will be some tweaking due to personnel. Concepts will be the same, similar to Nova under Wright.
This. Royce and Damarius fit really well in that system. They are recruiting athletes that can grow into shooters/passers/drivers that work here. Ideally all 3. The two mentioned above seem to be checking the box for all 3.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 28, 2024, 04:26:47 PM
Ok bruh
I said it once and I'll say it again - do not take any medical guidance from goldeneagles03
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2024, 09:58:22 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again - do not take any medical guidance from goldeneagles03
He told me I had to buy more herbalife.
Is there any reason to believe that Villanova will change their strategy and pack the paint or is Tuesdays pick-em matchup the gambling opportunity of a lifetime? We are a horrible matchup for them right?
FWIW, Chase was bringing his arm overhead to make the X for the "kill" sign on Saturday. I think he's back within a couple of weeks, possible NMD?
Quote from: MUDPT on January 29, 2024, 06:55:13 AM
FWIW, Chase was bringing his arm overhead to make the X for the "kill" sign on Saturday. I think he's back within a couple of weeks, possible NMD?
Possibly sooner.
Quote from: Carl on January 29, 2024, 05:46:36 AM
Is there any reason to believe that Villanova will change their strategy and pack the paint or is Tuesdays pick-em matchup the gambling opportunity of a lifetime? We are a horrible matchup for them right?
Main reason to think they'll switch it up is bc we just dunked all over their gd heads a couple of weeks ago
I feel like we always draw Nova at their campus arena. It seems a lot better home court advantage that 76ers' arena.
Getting Chase back for NMD would be such a boost to an already wild day.
Our rotation just becomes so much scarier adding him back to the fold.
We'll see if Villanova makes any adjustments tomorrow or if Neptune continues to coach like Uranus.
Quote from: marqfan22 on January 29, 2024, 08:55:46 AM
I feel like we always draw Nova at their campus arena. It seems a lot better home court advantage that 76ers' arena.
Generally, all the older BE teams (UConn, Hall, PC, GT) play at Wells Fargo (76ers). I am guessing that is because those colleges are closer and easier to travel to PHL for a game. I have been to both Wells Fargo and the Finn (worked in PHL for a few years) and agree that its definitely louder at the Finn.
Maybe has to do with ticket sale too.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 29, 2024, 09:14:00 AM
Generally, all the older BE teams (UConn, Hall, PC, GT) play at Wells Fargo (76ers). I am guessing that is because those colleges are closer and easier to travel to PHL for a game. I have been to both Wells Fargo and the Finn (worked in PHL for a few years) and agree that its definitely louder at the Finn.
Games at Wells Fargo are generally weekend games while Finneran gets mid-week games. Only one weekend game is at Finneran this season.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 29, 2024, 06:55:13 AM
FWIW, Chase was bringing his arm overhead to make the X for the "kill" sign on Saturday. I think he's back within a couple of weeks, possible NMD?
In his presser Shaka said that Chase is cleared for everything but contact. Said he's doing shooting drills, dunking, and "everything you'd do in basketball outside of contact."
I am of the opinion that he may see contact today in order to have him available tomorrow.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2024, 10:04:18 AM
In his presser Shaka said that Chase is cleared for everything but contact. Said he's doing shooting drills, dunking, and "everything you'd do in basketball outside of contact."
Aka he could play in the ACC right now but not in the Big East
Can a conference meet with refs before the season and lay out how they want games called? Big East fans always say "the Big East is the toughest league", Big Ten fans do the same, etc. Any of this based in fact by direction of the league office on how games are called? I wouldn't think so. But just curious what others think or perceive to be true.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 29, 2024, 10:31:35 AM
Can a conference meet with refs before the season and lay out how they want games called? Big East fans always say "the Big East is the toughest league", Big Ten fans do the same, etc. Any of this based in fact by direction of the league office on how games are called? I wouldn't think so. But just curious what others think or perceive to be true.
I have had this debate with Dodds. He would often complain about how "Big East refs" call games.
Of course, there is no such thing as "Big East refs" as those officials are independent contractors who work games in multiple leagues. It isn't unusual to see a referee working a game in one conference one night and a game in another conference the next night.
IMHO refereeing is hard enough as it is without expecting officials to apply a different set of standards based on what conference they are in.
Does anyone know if this actually happens, or if it's in the imagination of fans. Dodds insists that the leagues do provide officials with different points of emphasis that causes them to call things differently from one league to the next.
One thing for sure based on various message boards that I have followed over the years. Fans of all teams think the refs in their conference are the worst and that their favorite teams get the short end more often than not.
I am about 99% sure that the reason for any differentiation in how games are called in the BE, if there is any differentiation at all, is mostly due to style of play.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2024, 10:56:53 AM
I have had this debate with Dodds. He would often complain about how "Big East refs" call games.
Of course, there is no such thing as "Big East refs" as those officials are independent contractors who work games in multiple leagues. It isn't unusual to see a referee working a game in one conference one night and a game in another conference the next night.
IMHO refereeing is hard enough as it is without expecting officials to apply a different set of standards based on what conference they are in.
Does anyone know if this actually happens, or if it's in the imagination of fans. Dodds insists that the leagues do provide officials with different points of emphasis that causes them to call things differently from one league to the next.
One thing for sure based on various message boards that I have followed over the years. Fans of all teams think the refs in their conference are the worst and that their favorite teams get the short end more often than not.
The biggest issue I see with how the Big East is generally officiated is that once the less than elite teams get into the tourney, the more physical teams seem to struggle to advance as games get officiated much tighter. Of course some leagues have a good amount of overlap on refs - see big east refs doing Big Ten games the next night, etc. But those refs rarely get the big east in tourney games.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2024, 10:56:53 AM
I have had this debate with Dodds. He would often complain about how "Big East refs" call games.
Of course, there is no such thing as "Big East refs" as those officials are independent contractors who work games in multiple leagues. It isn't unusual to see a referee working a game in one conference one night and a game in another conference the next night.
IMHO refereeing is hard enough as it is without expecting officials to apply a different set of standards based on what conference they are in.
Does anyone know if this actually happens, or if it's in the imagination of fans. Dodds insists that the leagues do provide officials with different points of emphasis that causes them to call things differently from one league to the next.
One thing for sure based on various message boards that I have followed over the years. Fans of all teams think the refs in their conference are the worst and that their favorite teams get the short end more often than not.
I agree that it is highly unlikely and probably too complicated to emphasize specific points to the various crossover referees. But maybe a general "let them play, only call the obvious fouls" directive? Probably not, but again I'd like other's thoughts and appreciate yours Wisblue.
Really, my only complaint is that sometimes a game is called one way for the first half or first 30 minutes, and then all of a sudden it's called completely differently down the stretch.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2024, 01:53:38 PM
Really, my only complaint is that sometimes a game is called one way for the first half or first 30 minutes, and then all of a sudden it's called completely differently down the stretch.
Maybe the refs get a call from the league office at halftime telling them to crack down.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 29, 2024, 09:12:13 AM
We'll see if Villanova makes any adjustments tomorrow or if Neptune continues to coach like Uranus.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/29/sports/kyle-neptune-lacks-answers-as-losses-threaten-to-derail-villanova/
Quote from: MUDPT on January 29, 2024, 06:55:13 AM
FWIW, Chase was bringing his arm overhead to make the X for the "kill" sign on Saturday. I think he's back within a couple of weeks, possible NMD?
He can certainly return but the risk of dislocation and further damage to the joint space increases significantly.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 28, 2024, 11:06:02 PM
He told me I had to buy more herbalife.
lol sounds about right
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2024, 10:56:53 AM
I have had this debate with Dodds. He would often complain about how "Big East refs" call games.
Of course, there is no such thing as "Big East refs" as those officials are independent contractors who work games in multiple leagues. It isn't unusual to see a referee working a game in one conference one night and a game in another conference the next night.
IMHO refereeing is hard enough as it is without expecting officials to apply a different set of standards based on what conference they are in.
Does anyone know if this actually happens, or if it's in the imagination of fans. Dodds insists that the leagues do provide officials with different points of emphasis that causes them to call things differently from one league to the next.
One thing for sure based on various message boards that I have followed over the years. Fans of all teams think the refs in their conference are the worst and that their favorite teams get the short end more often than not.
It's easier for refs to work a certain geographical area because they're paying their way around the region. So in that case, we see the same guys often. But no, there are no specific referees for each conference.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2024, 10:56:53 AM
I have had this debate with Dodds. He would often complain about how "Big East refs" call games.
Of course, there is no such thing as "Big East refs" as those officials are independent contractors who work games in multiple leagues. It isn't unusual to see a referee working a game in one conference one night and a game in another conference the next night.
IMHO refereeing is hard enough as it is without expecting officials to apply a different set of standards based on what conference they are in.
Does anyone know if this actually happens, or if it's in the imagination of fans. Dodds insists that the leagues do provide officials with different points of emphasis that causes them to call things differently from one league to the next.
One thing for sure based on various message boards that I have followed over the years. Fans of all teams think the refs in their conference are the worst and that their favorite teams get the short end more often than not.
There actually is such a thing as "Big East Refs". The conference has operated its own bureau of officials since 1983. They're listed in the media guide (this one from 22-23). Turn to page 26:
https://www.bigeast.com/documents/2022/10/17/2022_23_Media_Guide.pdf (https://www.bigeast.com/documents/2022/10/17/2022_23_Media_Guide.pdf)
And I strongly suspect that John Cahill, the Big East's supervisor of officials, provides guidance on what the league expects from their refs.
https://www.bigeast.com/staff.aspx?staff=22 (https://www.bigeast.com/staff.aspx?staff=22)
That's not to say that refs don't often work for multiple conferences.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 29, 2024, 09:41:37 PM
There actually is such a thing as "Big East Refs". The conference has operated its own bureau of officials since 1983. They're listed in the media guide (this one from 22-23). Turn to page 26:
https://www.bigeast.com/documents/2022/10/17/2022_23_Media_Guide.pdf (https://www.bigeast.com/documents/2022/10/17/2022_23_Media_Guide.pdf)
There were Big East refs even before that: Hank Nichols, Tim Higgins, Jim Burr, Dick Paparo, and Larry Lembo, some of which had various ties to the other schools as parents or former staff.
The Big East and ACC have had a basketball officials alliance with a number of smaller conferences since 2016.
DePaul gets its opening basket of tonight's home game with Seton Hall... at the 12:59 mark of the 1st half.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 02:01:33 PM
Shaka said yesterday he hasn't been cleared for contact. Next step is getting cleared for contact and when he does they will get him practicing and see how that goes. Sounds like we are a couple weeks away yet based on those words.
Thanks, doctor.
Duh Paul down 43 to 20 in front of
200 people.
Great seats available in 2d row, mid Ct
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 30, 2024, 08:53:11 PM
Thanks, doctor.
Glad to be wrong. There is nothing people in here like more than telling someone they were wrong lol.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2024, 09:24:11 PM
Glad to be wrong. There is nothing people in here like more than telling someone they were wrong lol.
Yeah, it's super fun when someone makes a confident statement that doesn't make much sense.
Like....maybe we will see Al tonight.....still nope.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 30, 2024, 09:33:46 PM
Yeah, it's super fun when someone makes a confident statement that doesn't make much sense.
"Sounds like" and "maybe" far from guarantees. Chase is back, we are all happy. At least I am!
And....DePaul does not clear 40 points versus the Hall.
Final: 72-39. Good seats now available for the Blue Demons' next game versus Xavier.
Good Result for Hall
Needed to spank them to keep themselves in the top 75 of NET
DePaul shoots 1 for 17 to end the game and 11 for 50 overall.
Alleged attendance: 2,990.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 30, 2024, 10:10:06 PM
DePaul shoots 1 for 17 to end the game and 11 for 50 overall.
Alleged attendance: 2,990.
Checked Ticketmaster before the game. Half Court, Row AA. $6
Excellent win for The Hall. Helps MU Cause.
Not as confident on this one as I was on Villanova but I have a feeling StJ could go the way of Nova in the next stretch of games.
Rick Pitino is galaxies beyond Villanovas coach, and I'd be more confident if Anderson was still there, but I don't like what I see for the Johnnies.
@X, Marquette, and Providence and v UConn, SH, Creighton in the next 8 (2 gimmes)
Knowing Rick he will find a way to beat UConn on Sat or make our lives difficult next Sat, but a big "trap" game in Cincy tomorrow and they've lost 3 of the last 4 going into it.
Don't be fully floored if they are the next BE team that drops to bubble territory in the next month.
Only 5-4 currently so losing 5 of the next 8 would be no bueno for them.
DePaul was really DePauling tonight. Live ball just threw it out of bounds to the ref.
Man...
https://twitter.com/kreyme8/status/1752548956909789244?t=fWPQ_6KG30Wlx4ms_yV9wg&s=19
Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2024, 11:11:52 PM
Not as confident on this one as I was on Villanova but I have a feeling StJ could go the way of Nova in the next stretch of games.
I think they could just as easily find themselves moving up to the 4/5 range. Their toughest games are at home, where since the bizarre Michigan debacle their only loss is by 1-point to us in a game they could've won at the buzzer. They only have one road game against the top of the league (NMD) and they've got Pitino. I have a lot more faith in them than Neptune.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/30/sports/st-johns-not-running-away-from-ncaa-tournament-hopes/amp/
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 30, 2024, 10:02:53 PM
And....DePaul does not clear 40 points versus the Hall.
Final: 72-39. Good seats now available for the Blue Demons' next game versus Xavier.
And that blowout was on their home court. It is going to take a ton of NIL $ to get halfway decent players to sign up at DP once a new coach is on board.
We want St.J over X? Correct?
X is not a great team overall.
But they got 3 great guards which makes them formidable game to game.
X wins at home.
UCONN looks really flat so far tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 31, 2024, 08:26:42 PM
UCONN looks really flat so far tonight.
Could be diarrhea
Ugly game. Huge foul disparity.
Excellent win for X
Missed opportunity to pick up quality win for The Johnnies
UConn looked very beatable tonight. If PC had made even 60% of their FTs I think they steal it. Oduro is a monster.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 31, 2024, 10:19:40 PM
UConn looked very beatable tonight. If PC had made even 60% of their FTs I think they steal it. Oduro is a monster.
They had a dud performance but found a way to win.
Staff issues earlier in the evening meant I really wanted a distraction. But what a horrible game to watch...there is such a thing as too many fouls. And Donny Marshall should not call UConn games...just a touch of bias.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 31, 2024, 10:19:40 PM
UConn looked very beatable tonight. If PC had made even 60% of their FTs I think they steal it. Oduro is a monster.
Yep. There is no unstoppable juggernaut in college basketball this season, including UConn and Purdue. Numerous very good teams having very good nights can beat either.
It's not easy to do so. It's not supposed to be. But it's not some impossible dream.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2024, 10:15:25 PM
Excellent win for X
Missed opportunity to pick up quality win for The Johnnies
When they lose on Saturday it'll be 5 of their last 6.
Then they travel to Marquette, Providence, Butler and host SH and Creighton outside of GTown and DePaul (4 left)
Seem like a play in game type of squad to me unless they can knock off UConn, Marquette or Creighton.
Don't really have any big wins, 2-6 in Q1 with best win on a neutral court over Utah.
Overall, the BE is starting to look like a 4 or 5 max bid league again.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 31, 2024, 11:01:36 PM
When they lose on Saturday it'll be 5 of their last 6.
Then they travel to Marquette, Providence, Butler and host SH and Creighton outside of GTown and DePaul (4 left)
Seem like a play in game type of squad to me unless they can knock off UConn, Marquette or Creighton.
Don't really have any big wins, 2-6 in Q1 with best win on a neutral court over Utah.
Overall, the BE is starting to look like a 4 or 5 max bid league again.
Unless DePaul and Georgetown win about 4 games each the rest of the way
There is a better chance that I start at SG for Northern Illinois in the FF this year than the BE getting only 4 bids.
Only getting 5 is even a very, very slim chance.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on January 31, 2024, 10:27:27 PM
And Donny Marshall should not call UConn games...just a touch of bias.
Agreed..... was listening for awhile and after several homer comments I said ohhhh yeah thats Donny Marshall doing the UCONN game. Drooling over Hurley and players all game.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2024, 11:15:24 PM
Unless DePaul and Georgetown win about 4 games each the rest of the way
There is a better chance that I start at SG for Northern Illinois in the FF this year than the BE getting only 4 bids.
Only getting 5 is even a very, very slim chance.
Kind of depends on how the "bubble" teams of StJ, Providence, SH, X, Butler do against UConn, Creighton, and Marquette.
Many have 6-7 Q1 games left, most against the 3 front runners. They will also canibalize each other some.
So, I know conference record no matta, but a .500 or sub .500 BE team is gonna have a heckuva time getting in, especially in a season with pretty much 4 guaranteed wins.
It'll work itself out, and the team(s) that beats those top 3 will slide in, but plenty of work to do for them all, even StJ.
5 is way more likely than 4, but I'd be willing to bet that the 5th is a first 4 squad.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say SH gets in and StJ is in the play in game.
X, Providence, Nova and Butler will have a lot to say in it though.
Should be pretty exciting to watch, a nice conference battle for the end of the season.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2024, 08:58:35 AM
Kind of depends on how the "bubble" teams of StJ, Providence, SH, X, Butler do against UConn, Creighton, and Marquette.
Many have 6-7 Q1 games left, most against the 3 front runners. They will also canibalize each other some.
So, I know conference record no matta, but a .500 or sub .500 BE team is gonna have a heckuva time getting in, especially in a season with pretty much 4 guaranteed wins.
It'll work itself out, and the team(s) that beats those top 3 will slide in, but plenty of work to do for them all, even StJ.
5 is way more likely than 4, but I'd be willing to bet that the 5th is a first 4 squad.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say SH gets in and StJ is in the play in game.
X, Providence, Nova and Butler will have a lot to say in it though.
Should be pretty exciting to watch, a nice conference battle for the end of the season.
Some of our BE brethren were, umm, unimpressive in the OOC games early in the season. It may have been a case of getting high level transfers melded into a team rather than just a bunch of guys with the same unis, but they hurt themselves and, because we play them, Marquette as well since their value as opponents will be weighed by the entire season by the Selection Committee.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2024, 08:58:35 AM
Kind of depends on how the "bubble" teams of StJ, Providence, SH, X, Butler do against UConn, Creighton, and Marquette.
Many have 6-7 Q1 games left, most against the 3 front runners. They will also canibalize each other some.
So, I know conference record no matta, but a .500 or sub .500 BE team is gonna have a heckuva time getting in, especially in a season with pretty much 4 guaranteed wins.
It'll work itself out, and the team(s) that beats those top 3 will slide in, but plenty of work to do for them all, even StJ.
5 is way more likely than 4, but I'd be willing to bet that the 5th is a first 4 squad.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say SH gets in and StJ is in the play in game.
X, Providence, Nova and Butler will have a lot to say in it though.
Should be pretty exciting to watch, a nice conference battle for the end of the season.
Bracket Matrix last updated on 1/30. St. John's was the 3rd 8 seed. Going from there to an 11 seed is a pretty steep price to pay for a Q1 road loss.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2024, 09:50:12 AM
Bracket Matrix last updated on 1/30. St. John's was the 3rd 8 seed. Going from there to an 11 seed is a pretty steep price to pay for a Q1 road loss.
If they win saturday vs Uconn which I believe they will then it wont matter. If they lose they will drop to 5-6 in conference and at best will finish .500 and there best win will be @nova who is also .500. I said three weeks ago that they blew their opportunity for the dance when they lost at UConn in a game they should have won. Regardless. 500 in the Big East this year is not worth of a spot and their resume shows it. Even if they go .500 in conference its all q3 wins.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/sports/rj-luis-struggles-in-st-johns-loss-to-xavier-with-practice-limited/amp/
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2024, 09:55:46 AM
If they win saturday vs Uconn which I believe they will then it wont matter. If they lose they will drop to 5-6 in conference and at best will finish .500 and there best win will be @nova who is also .500. I said three weeks ago that they blew their opportunity for the dance when they lost at UConn in a game they should have won. Regardless. 500 in the Big East this year is not worth of a spot and their resume shows it. Even if they go .500 in conference its all q3 wins.
I think people forget that you need to put 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament.
St. John's is currently 22nd at Torvik, 36th at KenPom. Torvik has them at 7-7 in Q1/2 games, projected to be 10-10 by year end. He projects them to finish 12-8 in the BE, with 5 of the 6 games they're favored in being by 7 or more points. So even if they lose every game they're projected to (under 1 point dogs at Butler and at Providence) and lose the one somewhat (though not really) tossup (2.8 point favorites against Creighton), they'll still finish 11-9. They have 4 games against Georgetown and DePaul remaining and a home game against Seton Hall. Is it possible for them to finish below .500? Sure. But it'd be a bad collapse. As of right now, they're in very good shape.
Pick 16 teams (the number of spots above the at large cutoff they are in Bracket Matrix right now) from the list below and tell me why all 16 of those teams deserve to be ahead of SJU:
- Northwestern (currently 43rd at KenPom, 37th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-8)
- Memphis (currently 70th at KenPom, 90th at Torvik, 6-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-6)
- Mississippi State (currently 33rd at KenPom, 28th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-9)
- Michigan State (currently 17th at KenPom, 15th at Torvik, 4-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-11)
- Ole Miss (currently 61st at KenPom, 48th at Torvik, 4-3 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-7)
- Texas A&M (currently 47th at KenPom, 62nd at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-11)
- Nebraska (currently 55th at KenPom, 55th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-10)
- Villanova (currently 42nd at KenPom, 46th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-12)
- Seton Hall (currently 57th at KenPom, 52nd at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-10)
- Colorado (currently 25th at KenPom, 30th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-8)
- Texas (currently 35th at KenPom, 29th at Torvik, 4-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-9)
- Boise State (currently 51st at KenPom, 39th at Torvik, 7-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 11-7)
- Providence (currently 48th at KenPom, 47th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-12)
- Cincinnati (currently 34th at KenPom, 42nd at Torvik, 3-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 3-12)
- Kansas State (currently 72nd at KenPom, 71st at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-12)
- Washington State (currently 44th at KenPom, 44th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-7)
- Richmond (currently 76th at KenPom, 63rd at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-5, although just 1-2 in Q1)
- Florida (currently 31st at KenPom, 27th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-9)
- Gonzaga (currently 19th at KenPom, 25th at Torvik, 3-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 5-7)
- Oregon (currently 50th at KenPom, 61st at Torvik, 3-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-8)
- Nevada (currently 59th at KenPom, 67th at Torvik, 3-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 5-8)
- Virginia (currently 58th at KenPom, 60th at Torvik, 5-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-9)
- Virginia Tech (currently 56th at KenPom, 56th at Torvik, 4-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-11)
- Wake Forrest (currently 41st at KenPom, 45th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-9)
- Butler (currently 53rd at KenPom, 53rd at Torvik, 4-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-12)
- Drake (currently 54th at KenPom, 57th at Torvik, 4-2 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-2)
- Xavier (currently 39th at KenPom, 41st at Torvik, 6-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-12)
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2024, 10:37:10 AM
I think people forget that you need to put 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament.
St. John's is currently 22nd at Torvik, 36th at KenPom. Torvik has them at 7-7 in Q1/2 games, projected to be 10-10 by year end. He projects them to finish 12-8 in the BE, with 5 of the 6 games they're favored in being by 7 or more points. So even if they lose every game they're projected to (under 1 point dogs at Butler and at Providence) and lose the one somewhat (though not really) tossup (2.8 point favorites against Creighton), they'll still finish 11-9. They have 4 games against Georgetown and DePaul remaining and a home game against Seton Hall. Is it possible for them to finish below .500? Sure. But it'd be a bad collapse. As of right now, they're in very good shape.
Pick 16 teams (the number of spots above the at large cutoff they are in Bracket Matrix right now) from the list below and tell me why all 16 of those teams deserve to be ahead of SJU:
- Northwestern (currently 43rd at KenPom, 37th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-8)
- Memphis (currently 70th at KenPom, 90th at Torvik, 6-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-6)
- Mississippi State (currently 33rd at KenPom, 28th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-9)
- Michigan State (currently 17th at KenPom, 15th at Torvik, 4-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-11)
- Ole Miss (currently 61st at KenPom, 48th at Torvik, 4-3 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-7)
- Texas A&M (currently 47th at KenPom, 62nd at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-11)
- Nebraska (currently 55th at KenPom, 55th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-10)
- Villanova (currently 42nd at KenPom, 46th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-12)
- Seton Hall (currently 57th at KenPom, 52nd at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-10)
- Colorado (currently 25th at KenPom, 30th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-8)
- Texas (currently 35th at KenPom, 29th at Torvik, 4-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-9)
- Boise State (currently 51st at KenPom, 39th at Torvik, 7-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 11-7)
- Providence (currently 48th at KenPom, 47th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-12)
- Cincinnati (currently 34th at KenPom, 42nd at Torvik, 3-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 3-12)
- Kansas State (currently 72nd at KenPom, 71st at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-12)
- Washington State (currently 44th at KenPom, 44th at Torvik, 6-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-7)
- Richmond (currently 76th at KenPom, 63rd at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-5, although just 1-2 in Q1)
- Florida (currently 31st at KenPom, 27th at Torvik, 5-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-9)
- Gonzaga (currently 19th at KenPom, 25th at Torvik, 3-5 in Q1/2, projected to finish 5-7)
- Oregon (currently 50th at KenPom, 61st at Torvik, 3-6 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-8)
- Nevada (currently 59th at KenPom, 67th at Torvik, 3-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 5-8)
- Virginia (currently 58th at KenPom, 60th at Torvik, 5-4 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-9)
- Virginia Tech (currently 56th at KenPom, 56th at Torvik, 4-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 7-11)
- Wake Forrest (currently 41st at KenPom, 45th at Torvik, 5-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-9)
- Butler (currently 53rd at KenPom, 53rd at Torvik, 4-7 in Q1/2, projected to finish 8-12)
- Drake (currently 54th at KenPom, 57th at Torvik, 4-2 in Q1/2, projected to finish 6-2)
- Xavier (currently 39th at KenPom, 41st at Torvik, 6-8 in Q1/2, projected to finish 9-12)
You are right, I am not disagreeing. The only explanation in my opinion is that college basketball is down as a whole this year. You need 68 teams, 32 are auto bids. Then the top 36 best which comes to roughly 5 per power conference on avg. When you look at the Big Ten, Big East Pac 12. Truly there are probably 9 teams that are tournament worthy. Pac 12 has 2 at best with Arizona and Oregon. Big 10 with Wisconsin, Purdue and Illinois. Big east with Uconn, Marquette, Creighton and Seton Hall. The tournament committee just from those 3 conferences has to choose 5 teams that truly aren't deserving and thats if none of the top 3 teams from each conference get auto bids.
Just look at Gonzaga. They have a horrible resume that would not normally get them in. If they don't win their conference tournamnent they should not get in. But given how poor the 9-11 seeds are going to be this year they will take a name like Gonzaga over a 5-6 team from a power 5 conference.
I kinda chuckle at where the "National Media" views Marquette right now.
A lot of "Ya they are good, but something seems to be missing. When Kolek and Jones are off they are toast" takes.
Marquette beat Kansas with subpar Kolek and Jones, beat Seton Hall by 18 with non existent Kam and Kolek. I can tell you what's missing...it's continuity. Since Conference play started there has been a new injury every week.
To me, the ceiling on this team remains higher than last year. Joplin and Gold are knocking down shots. The defense is improved and one of the best in the Country per KenPom. Offense has been CLICKING the past few weeks.
If we get a healthy Kam and Tuesday's version of Chase Ross back for good, this team is as scary as there is in America 🤷♂️.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2024, 10:56:14 AM
You are right, I am not disagreeing. The only explanation in my opinion is that college basketball is down as a whole this year. You need 68 teams, 32 are auto bids. Then the top 36 best which comes to roughly 5 per power conference on avg. When you look at the Big Ten, Big East Pac 12. Truly there are probably 9 teams that are tournament worthy. Pac 12 has 2 at best with Arizona and Oregon. Big 10 with Wisconsin, Purdue and Illinois. Big east with Uconn, Marquette, Creighton and Seton Hall. The tournament committee just from those 3 conferences has to choose 5 teams that truly aren't deserving and thats if none of the top 3 teams from each conference get auto bids.
Just look at Gonzaga. They have a horrible resume that would not normally get them in. If they don't win their conference tournamnent they should not get in. But given how poor the 9-11 seeds are going to be this year they will take a name like Gonzaga over a 5-6 team from a power 5 conference.
That's not how it works at all. They don't need to give any conference any number of bids. If only 2 deserve to be in from the Pac 12, only 2 will get in.
Also, being below .500 in conference doesn't disqualify a team. West Virginia went 7-11 in the Big 12 last year and was a 9 seed.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2024, 10:56:14 AM
You are right, I am not disagreeing. The only explanation in my opinion is that college basketball is down as a whole this year. You need 68 teams, 32 are auto bids. Then the top 36 best which comes to roughly 5 per power conference on avg. When you look at the Big Ten, Big East Pac 12. Truly there are probably 9 teams that are tournament worthy. Pac 12 has 2 at best with Arizona and Oregon. Big 10 with Wisconsin, Purdue and Illinois. Big east with Uconn, Marquette, Creighton and Seton Hall. The tournament committee just from those 3 conferences has to choose 5 teams that truly aren't deserving and thats if none of the top 3 teams from each conference get auto bids.
Just look at Gonzaga. They have a horrible resume that would not normally get them in. If they don't win their conference tournamnent they should not get in. But given how poor the 9-11 seeds are going to be this year they will take a name like Gonzaga over a 5-6 team from a power 5 conference.
I don't think Gonzaga gets in without the auto-bid. It's gonna be close.
I think you might need to recalibrate your expectations of who deserves to be in. With how competitive the top conferences (Big 12, SEC, Big 10, Big East) are, it's a reasonable expectation that AT LEAST 40-50% of the teams from those conferences deserve to dance, sometimes more. The next tier down (ACC, Pac 12, MWC) will get about 30% of their squads in on average.
50% of Big 12: 7 teams
40-50% of Big East: 5 teams
40-50% of SEC: 6-7 teams
40-50% of Big 10: 6-7 teams
30% of ACC: 4-5 teams
30% of MWC: 4-5 teams
20-30% of Pac12: 3-4 teams
That gets you to between 35 and 38 teams in the dance. Add the auto bids and the occasional at large from a mid major conference (Dayton this year would probably qualify, for example) and there's your field of 68.
Gonzaga most likely has to win 2 out of SMC, @SMC, @UK to get an at-large. Teams just don't get in when their best win is Syracuse.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2024, 11:03:38 AM
I kinda chuckle at where the "National Media" views Marquette right now.
A lot of "Ya they are good, but something seems to be missing. When Kolek and Jones are off they are toast" takes.
Marquette beat Kansas with subpar Kolek and Jones, beat Seton Hall by 18 with non existent Kam and Kolek. I can tell you what's missing...it's continuity. Since Conference play started there has been a new injury every week.
To me, the ceiling on this team remains higher than last year. Joplin and Gold are knocking down shots. The defense is improved and one of the best in the Country per KenPom. Offense has been CLICKING the past few weeks.
If we get a healthy Kam and Tuesday's version of Chase Ross back for good, this team is as scary as there is in America 🤷♂️.
To be fair, the average game eFG% for MU's first five BE games was 43.7%. For the last five, it's 61.9%. The media remembers the first five as that was similar to OOC.
The reality as we discussed here is that in either window, MU had wide open shots. However, MU went from "can't shoot" to "can shoot".
Without the home loss to Butler, nobody would have blinked. Road losses to decent teams that play well at home are essentially shrugged off as the price of doing business. Losing at home to Butler made all of the naysayers sit up and start sniffing.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2024, 12:05:50 PM
To be fair, the average game eFG% for MU's first five BE games was 43.7%. For the last five, it's 61.9%. The media remembers the first five as that was similar to OOC.
The reality as we discussed here is that in either window, MU had wide open shots. However, MU went from "can't shoot" to "can shoot".
But also came into the season as a "can shoot". I'd like to think the past 5 are more like the team we are.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2024, 09:39:57 PM
"Sounds like" and "maybe" far from guarantees. Chase is back, we are all happy. At least I am!
But that's not all you said.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2024, 01:48:29 PM
He'll be out a few weeks at minimum yet.
You made a stupid claim. Just own it - no one believed you in the first place any way.
tower
When it is all said and done, the Butler loss might have been the best thing to happen to the guys. They definitely learned they can be beat by a much less talented team, took some of the positive national narrative down a couple of notches and they likely heard there were naysayers in the MU fanbase. IMO, it might have been exactly what they needed at the time.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2024, 12:08:48 PM
But also came into the season as a "can shoot". I'd like to think the past 5 are more like the team we are.
A few well-informed posters here had questions preseason, including me. MU has a tough stretch to end the season upcoming so let's hope the building blocks continue. Consistency is what I look for with the goal being peaking in March.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2024, 12:28:07 PM
But that's not all you said.
You made a stupid claim. Just own it - no one believed you in the first place any way.
I didn't realize getting cleared for contact in practice would also clear him for game activity immediately.
I already owned it. I was wrong and I'm fine with it. You're happier I was wrong than Chase being back and that is also fine!
Quote from: Goose on February 01, 2024, 12:34:27 PM
tower
When it is all said and done, the Butler loss might have been the best thing to happen to the guys. They definitely learned they can be beat by a much less talented team, took some of the positive national narrative down a couple of notches and they likely heard there were naysayers in the MU fanbase. IMO, it might have been exactly what they needed at the time.
It stunk. As you say, it may have had the effect of focusing the team.
Get everybody healthy and finish strong.
Quote from: Goose on February 01, 2024, 12:34:27 PM
tower
When it is all said and done, the Butler loss might have been the best thing to happen to the guys. They definitely learned they can be beat by a much less talented team, took some of the positive national narrative down a couple of notches and they likely heard there were naysayers in the MU fanbase. IMO, it might have been exactly what they needed at the time.
Disagree. A last second, come-from-behind win? Sure. I think it would have accomplished pretty much what the loss did. Not exactly, but close enough.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2024, 01:46:00 PM
Disagree. A last second, come-from-behind win? Sure. I think it would have accomplished pretty much what the loss did. Not exactly, but close enough.
I was hoping they would take their medicine after that pretty embarrassing showing against St Thomas. I don't think the message was fully delivered and received until losing that Butler game.
I also think that playing shorthanded has helped focus the team over this recent stretch. The margin of error is much smaller and the guys have been playing with a desperation that was missing for a few weeks in December/early January.
Quote from: MDMU04 on February 01, 2024, 02:47:49 PM
I was hoping they would take their medicine after that pretty embarrassing showing against St Thomas. I don't think the message was fully delivered and received until losing that Butler game.
I also think that playing shorthanded has helped focus the team over this recent stretch. The margin of error is much smaller and the guys have been playing with a desperation that was missing for a few weeks in December/early January.
Good points regarding St Thomas and playing shorthanded. At the risk of sounding like a wacko conspiracy theorist, I think there was some tension between Kolek and the rest of the team that
may have contributed to (but not necessarily caused) the poor performances. He seemed to have briefly lost the ability to focus his
enormous energy on playing and, to me, seemed somewhat out of control and venting his anger. Strictly a judhement call on my part by its very nature admittedly.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2024, 02:56:50 PM
Good points regarding St Thomas and playing shorthanded. At the risk of sounding like a wacko conspiracy theorist, I think there was some tension between Kolek and the rest of the team that may have contributed to (but not necessarily caused) the poor performances. He seemed to have briefly lost the ability to focus his enormous energy on playing and, to me, seemed somewhat out of control and venting his anger. Strictly a judhement call on my part by its very nature admittedly.
SS:
Can you provide examples of what you think were the tensions? I am not sure that was evident.
It seems to me what happened in the losses was that defenses heavily overplayed TyKo's left hand , and used aggressive body contact to push him off his spots, because he has not developed an ability to easily go to the right.
Seems to me that TyKo made the necessary adjustments and moved back to pass first (49 assists in 5 games) with opportunistic scoring and the result is a nice winning streak .
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 01, 2024, 05:02:35 PM
SS:
Can you provide examples of what you think were the tensions? I am not sure that was evident.
It seems to me what happened in the losses was that defenses heavily overplayed TyKo's left hand , and used aggressive body contact to push him off his spots, because he has not developed an ability to easily go to the right.
Seems to me that TyKo made the necessary adjustments and moved back to pass first (49 assists in 5 games) with opportunistic scoring and the result is a nice winning streak .
The one thing that comes to mind is when Kolek seemed to throw the ball
at rather than
to a teammate-I think it was Joplin- in a game. As I said, my comments are
highly subjective and based upon the much ridiculed "body language" observations that are, to put it mildly, unwelcome on Scoop. I have nothing to offer that is concrete.
Go back listen to Shaka's presser after the losses. Listen to what he says about attitude. Listen to who he praises and who he name checks. Listening to Shaka, I wouldn't say there was 'tension'. There was frustration, and perhaps not all pulling in the same direction and not enough EGBs.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2024, 05:16:07 PM
There was frustration, and perhaps not all pulling in the same direction and not enough EGBs.
Shaka should've done the Gordon Bombay drill where you tie everyone in a circle and yell "move together!"
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2024, 12:08:30 PM
Without the home loss to Butler, nobody would have blinked. Road losses to decent teams that play well at home are essentially shrugged off as the price of doing business. Losing at home to Butler made all of the naysayers sit up and start sniffing.
Maybe so, but that St John's win could have just as well went the other way. We nearly blew a 13 point lead and failed to score in the last 4 minutes. That could have been a pretty ugly loss to just essentially shrug off; as it was, it was a pretty ugly first road win. That win however got us over the hump.
So, MU won on the road in conference. Once upon a time it was understood that conference road wins were worth their weight in gold. Style points no matta. What ifs no matta. Any conference road win is perfect.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2024, 06:35:32 PM
So, MU won on the road in conference. Once upon a time it was understood that conference road wins were worth their weight in gold. Style points no matta. What ifs no matta. Any conference road win is perfect.
100%. It ain't a beauty contest.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2024, 05:23:35 PM
Maybe so, but that St John's win could have just as well went the other way.
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Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2024, 08:58:35 AM
Kind of depends on how the "bubble" teams of StJ, Providence, SH, X, Butler do against UConn, Creighton, and Marquette.
Many have 6-7 Q1 games left, most against the 3 front runners. They will also canibalize each other some.
So, I know conference record no matta, but a .500 or sub .500 BE team is gonna have a heckuva time getting in, especially in a season with pretty much 4 guaranteed wins.
It'll work itself out, and the team(s) that beats those top 3 will slide in, but plenty of work to do for them all, even StJ.
5 is way more likely than 4, but I'd be willing to bet that the 5th is a first 4 squad.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say SH gets in and StJ is in the play in game.
X, Providence, Nova and Butler will have a lot to say in it though.
Should be pretty exciting to watch, a nice conference battle for the end of the season.
St Johns is currently projected as an 8 seed. Seton Hall is currently projected as a play in game. St. Johns has also been playing better in conference efficiency wise. I think you have those two backwards.
Right now Providence is the last team in a X and Butler are out on bracket matrix. Without Hopkins, it'll be hard for PC to stay in. I also think Hall is fraudy and will drop off too. I think theres a reasonable path to the BEast only having 4 bids... but the Johnnies will be one of those four.
Looking forward to a Fun Friday Night Fight featuring The Bulldogs at The Blue Jays
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2024, 09:32:43 AM
St Johns is currently projected as an 8 seed. Seton Hall is currently projected as a play in game. St. Johns has also been playing better in conference efficiency wise. I think you have those two backwards.
Right now Providence is the last team in a X and Butler are out on bracket matrix. Without Hopkins, it'll be hard for PC to stay in. I also think Hall is fraudy and will drop off too. I think theres a reasonable path to the BEast only having 4 bids... but the Johnnies will be one of those four.
Yes, right now.
I know what it currently is, I pay attention to it all.
That doesn't mean it's what it'll be in 3-4 weeks.
Everyone had Villanova as the 4th best team and a near tourney lock 3 weeks ago, and I said immediately after the MU game that their coach is putrid- which many of us knew- and that they would go on a massive slide and miss the dance.
3 weeks later they are projected out. Doesn't mean they won't right the ship, but I don't see it, and they are likely one of the most talented of the "bunch" of others.
I said before the X game that it was a trap game and StJ was looking at a possible slide with a weak resume left on the table once/if it comes.
Now, they get a ton more respect because of Rick alone, and they may just beat UConn tomorrow and end most/all doubt, but I don't like the way it shapes up for them with UConn, MU, Providence, SH, Creighton coming up outside of the bottom feeders.
If anything, having the bottom feeders 4x is also a detriment because of a possible slip up.
SH already has wins over UConn and Marquette in the bag and what I consider an easier road ahead.
We will see what happens, but Rick should consider winning tomorrow or next Saturday because the road will start to get tougher than it previously looked to be
Shoot out in Omaha so far
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 08:32:33 PM
Shoot out in Omaha so far
Very entertaining game . Dunk by Scheireman ,using non dominant hand in traffic ,was impressive
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 02, 2024, 08:46:25 PM
Very entertaining game . Dunk by Scheireman ,using non dominant hand in traffic ,was impressive
No defense. High scoring game but Butler looking very strong
Quote from: Daniel on February 02, 2024, 09:35:48 PM
No defense. High scoring game but Butler looking very strong
Definitely a defense-optional game.
We rooting for Butler here? That's where I'm at.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2024, 09:51:20 PM
We rooting for Butler here? That's where I'm at.
Would like to see Butler pull it out. Would be nice to be in sole possession of second. Also better for the BE to get Butler on the right side of the bubble.
Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 06:54:32 PM
He can certainly return but the risk of dislocation and further damage to the joint space increases significantly.
No it doesn't.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2024, 09:51:20 PM
We rooting for Butler here? That's where I'm at.
Yup. Give us clear leg up on Creighton for time being.
And as bad as our Butler loss was, this should almost certainly keep that loss from falling to Q3 barring a major collapse now.
Jeez Butler
Miss the front end. Give up open 3. Dont get rebound. Give up another open 3. Miss rebound and let it go out of bounds.
Creighton will have a 3rd chance to try and tie it, 11 seconds left.
Not so sure about the decision to foul with 11 seconds left.
Now up 1. Butler turns it over on the inbound unreal.
Davis is right "why bounce it"
Annnnnnnnnnd now Creighton turns it over trying to inbound it
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 10:13:43 PM
Annnnnnnnnnd now Creighton turns it over trying to inbound it
Kalk basicxaky rips the butler players eye out and no flagrant
This ending is on acid
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 10:20:05 PM
This ending is on acid
How is this Creighton ball?? Matta call to foul too early twice
Huge win for Butler
Creighton is a wild ass team. Literally rely on 4 guys. They scored 94 of their 98 and still lost.
Major major props to Butler - what an effort.
Coaching Matta....
Butler had a very good one
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 10:22:31 PM
Huge win for Butler
Creighton is a wild ass team. Literally rely on 4 guys. They scored 94 of their 98 and still lost.
Butler going to be tough for us on the road. Whew
Lol unnatural carnal knowledge creighton... also unnatural carnal knowledge butler
Best case scenario. CU loss.....Butler gets another legit win to lessen our sting.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 02, 2024, 10:24:36 PM
Best case scenario. CU loss.....Butler gets another legit win to lessen our sting.
Yeah for a moment there Butlers only wins aside from us were Depaul and Gtown.
Now they got Nova and Creighton back to back.
Creighton's season is over
Butler should be in if they are anywhere near the bubble. Hard to imagine too many bubble teams would have a better pair of road wins (assuming MU and Creighton stay right around Q1A).
And like I said yesterday,
Outside of Depaul and Gtown pulling off numerous wins agianst teams 4-9
There is literally no chance that the BE only gets 4 bids. Zero.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2024, 10:10:57 PM
Not so sure about the decision to foul with 11 seconds left.
I'm pretty sure it was a terrible decision. Few coaches foul up 3 with that much time left for the exact reason we saw in this instance.
Even the second one almost came back to bite Butler. The Creighton guard who stole the inbounds pass, Farabello, idiotically tried to drive through two Butler defenders and lost the ball rather than throw it out to a teammate who's actually good.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 10:47:06 PM
And like I said yesterday,
Outside of Depaul and Gtown pulling off numerous wins agianst teams 4-9
There is literally no chance that the BE only gets 4 bids. Zero.
I think 6 make it for sure. Possibly 7 or even 8 but that would mean we probably lost several more times to middle of the pack teams.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2024, 10:52:10 PM
I'm pretty sure it was a terrible decision. Few coaches foul up 3 with that much time left for the exact reason we saw in this instance.
Even the second one almost came back to bite Butler. The Creighton guard who stole the inbounds pass, Farabello, idiotically tried to drive through two Butler defenders and lost the ball rather than throw it out to a teammate who's actually good.
two high major games today. Both teams did it.
Iowa fouled with like 20 seconds left.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 02, 2024, 10:23:08 PM
Coaching Matta....
Butler had a very good one
coaching matta's
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2024, 10:41:57 PM
Butler should be in if they are anywhere near the bubble. Hard to imagine too many bubble teams would have a better pair of road wins (assuming MU and Creighton stay right around Q1A).
Definitely in at this point, but bubbly. The Creighton and Marquette wins are excellent, while Texas Tech and Boise have aged well. But metrics are just okay (will be interesting to see resume metrics after the CU win, was a 58.5 avg yesterday) and their record vs Q1-3 is just 8-7. They have 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games left. They need to be .500 in those and win at DePaul and they should be okay. 5-4 should get them in, but they are only favored in 3 of their remaining 9 per kenpom (DePaul being one).
They control their destiny, but they still have work to do.
I didn't see the game but this is why I stated UCONN had an impressive win over them at Hinkle. Butler did not shoot quite that well when they beat us (45%) but obviously did last night and scored 80+ vs UCONN. I guess the D wasn't great but Creighton is a pretty good defensive team. Butler shot 59% from three and hit 13-22. The fact that they nearly lost with that stat line is incredible. I wouldn't expect them to have a game like that the rest of the season and I think it's good that it happened last night all things considered.
In conference play at the half way mark, MU has the best defense and the fifth best offense in conference. The offense was languishing near the bottom earlyi until this recent run. Build the moment for March.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 03, 2024, 07:05:08 AM
In conference play at the half way mark, MU has the best defense and the fifth best offense in conference. The offense was languishing near the bottom earlyi until this recent run. Build the moment for March.
Who woulda thunk it
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2024, 06:33:15 AM
Definitely in at this point, but bubbly. The Creighton and Marquette wins are excellent, while Texas Tech and Boise have aged well. But metrics are just okay (will be interesting to see resume metrics after the CU win, was a 58.5 avg yesterday) and their record vs Q1-3 is just 8-7. They have 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games left. They need to be .500 in those and win at DePaul and they should be okay. 5-4 should get them in, but they are only favored in 3 of their remaining 9 per kenpom (DePaul being one).
They control their destiny, but they still have work to do.
Neither team played great defense and the pressure took its toll on both teams as they both blew inbound plays in the last 8 seconds. Give props to the Bulldogs as they beat a very good Creighton team without Posh Alexander.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 11:00:04 PM
two high major games today. Both teams did it.
Iowa fouled with like 20 seconds left.
I don't have evidence, but I'd posit that the majority of coaches don't foul up 3 with 10+ seconds on the clock. Too many bad things can happen. Maybe the exception would be if you had a chance to foul a real bad FT shooter?
Most coaches like 5 seconds or less to be on the clock, and of course some coaches (such as Calipari) usually don't foul up 3.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 03, 2024, 07:22:00 AM
Who woulda thunk it
Lots of us woulda thunk it. Lots of us - I can think of Goose, tower, TAMU, Ners, myself and others - said that missing wide-open 3s was the root of MU's offensive woes. We also said that while MU isn't a great 3-point shooting team, our guys weren't THAT bad - and a reversion to the mean could happen. So it's hardly surprising that there's been a reversion to the mean; nor is it surprising that hitting wide-open 3s has contributed strongly to the offense improving.
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2024, 09:19:46 AM
I don't have evidence, but I'd posit that the majority of coaches don't foul up 3 with 10+ seconds on the clock. Too many bad things can happen. Maybe the exception would be if you had a chance to foul a real bad FT shooter?
Most coaches like 5 seconds or less to be on the clock, and of course some coaches (such as Calipari) usually don't foul up 3.
Could depend on situations too.
While Ohio State is also good at the line. Iowa is best in the conference and OSU had 1 and 1s coming. So Fran may have liked his odds just winning that battle.
And on the second and 3rd times Iowa did foul. OSU made the moronic mistake to inbound to one of their worst overall players and a 64% free throw shooter.
No Karaban today for UCONN.
I don't mind recycling a joke.
SJU managed to dodge Karaban. The game will still be a challenger.
Karaban or not
If SJU is gonna just launch out of rhythm off balance 3s and have the goofy skinny white guy try to split defenders all game, they are gonna get waxed same way as X did.
Pitino refusing to call a time out
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2024, 11:14:26 AM
Karaban or not
If SJU is gonna just launch out of rhythm off balance 3s and have the goofy skinny white guy try to split defenders all game, they are gonna get waxed same way as X did.
It's still a little early but St.J bricking FT's doesn't help.
Pitino refusing to call a time out
SJU got back into it with better offense. Uconn isnt scoring when SJU D is set.
Jenkins chucks one and newton gets a fastbreak layup to stop a FG drought.
Pitino time out right away to let em know. SJU can win this game if they stop forcing their D into bad spots.
Two on Clingan is huge. Hes swallowing up Soriano
I'm surprised StJ's isn't a Jordan Brands school. Enough pedigree. Big Apple location. MSG. I believe in the BE only Gtown and MU are. Cool!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2024, 06:33:15 AM
Definitely in at this point, but bubbly. The Creighton and Marquette wins are excellent, while Texas Tech and Boise have aged well. But metrics are just okay (will be interesting to see resume metrics after the CU win, was a 58.5 avg yesterday) and their record vs Q1-3 is just 8-7. They have 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games left. They need to be .500 in those and win at DePaul and they should be okay. 5-4 should get them in, but they are only favored in 3 of their remaining 9 per kenpom (DePaul being one).
They control their destiny, but they still have work to do.
Butler seems like a team who will get in because of their resume but their seeding will be capped because of their metrics.
Fun game so far. Tim Brando still sucks.
Good half.
Will be interesting if Johnnies have same regrets Butler ended up with at home vs Uconn.
Not fully taking advantage of key foul trouble.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2024, 11:09:26 AM
I don't mind recycling a joke.
SJU managed to dodge Karaban. The game will still be a challenger.
Nice.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 03, 2024, 11:45:22 AM
Fun game so far. Tim Brando still sucks.
I agree with this analysis.
FT's could wind up dooming the Johnnies.
St.J doing some dumb things.
The entire viewing audicence heard Pitino telling the team in the huddle to not turn your shoulders on Spencer
Maybe should listen to your coach and guard the guy that can shoot
Off the subject, why would anyone need a foot long churros or cookie? We clearly have societal issues.
No Karaban
Clingan with 4, Johnson with 3. 11 min left
SJu simply has to win this game
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2024, 12:41:42 PM
No Karaban
Clingan with 4, Johnson with 3. 11 min left
SJu simply has to win this game
They fked up and look done to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 03, 2024, 12:44:05 PM
They fked up and look done to me.
Yup they look cooked
UConn just won't lose. Beat 'em twice and win the tie breaker for big east champs eh
Huskies are good.
UCONN is damn good. Best team in BE ... and probably the Country
They have a damn good chance to repeat. If MU can split w / them this year I will be very happy
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2024, 12:51:39 PM
Huskies are good.
We might want to guard Spencer in a couple of weeks.
Soriano stinks
I question if any talking head who hypes him actually watches him play
All SJU has to do is hold UConn without a basket for the last 6 minutes like they did to MU.
ETA: even that wouldn't save them once they went into frantic mode in offense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 03, 2024, 12:44:05 PM
They fked up and look done to me.
They are done. The pervert coach is thinking about dinner and dessert at Porcinis
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2024, 12:59:17 PM
Soriano stinks
I question if any talking head who hypes him actually watches him play
He is stinking it up today. Will probably go off against us.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 03, 2024, 12:55:17 PM
We might want to guard Spencer in a couple of weeks.
That guy is moving closer to the Dippendork hate list
Quote from: willie warrior on February 03, 2024, 01:14:29 PM
That guy is moving closer to the Dippendork hate list
Do you hate him or Stevie more?
Excellent road win for U Conn, they simply have more talent than The Johnnies.
Quote from: Viper on February 03, 2024, 11:42:40 AM
I'm surprised StJ's isn't a Jordan Brands school. Enough pedigree. Big Apple location. MSG. I believe in the BE only Gtown and MU are. Cool!!
I think they used to be. I thought early 2000s them and Cal were kind of random Jordan schools.
My opinion is next two games bigger than @Uconn. We should beat STJ at home...but they are good and a slipup is possible. @Butler will prove the home loss was a down fluke.
Of course we'll need to sweep UCONN to win the BE.
I don't believe this has been posted. Here's the post game press conference from today's game (It starts 9:30 into the video):
https://www.youtube.com/live/K7olw0iiPLM?si=ICzcpZE1POSUX0o-
https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/sports/big-easts-elite-teams-are-still-a-notch-above-st-johns/amp/
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2024, 09:19:46 AM
I don't have evidence, but I'd posit that the majority of coaches don't foul up 3 with 10+ seconds on the clock. Too many bad things can happen. Maybe the exception would be if you had a chance to foul a real bad FT shooter?
Most coaches like 5 seconds or less to be on the clock, and of course some coaches (such as Calipari) usually don't foul up 3.
You missed my point.
I moreso meant the best defense in conference, and not the best offense.
Many of us thought this offense was destined to be top 5 in the country easy mode, myself included
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 03, 2024, 06:50:41 PM
My opinion is next two games bigger than @Uconn. We should beat STJ at home...but they are good and a slipup is possible. @Butler will prove the home loss was a down fluke.
Of course we'll need to sweep UCONN to win the BE.
For sure they are.
Until Marquette wins them and the top 5 matchup is here in Hartford on the mothership 2/17 2PM.
That one could get Marquette to #1.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2024, 10:47:06 PM
And like I said yesterday,
Outside of Depaul and Gtown pulling off numerous wins agianst teams 4-9
There is literally no chance that the BE only gets 4 bids. Zero.
Current bracketmatrix has 6 BEast teams in... but two in Dayton, Hall and PC. PC is missing their best player and Hall is fraudy. Villanova and Butler are lurking in first four out/next four out territory. Xavier probably on the fringe of the bubble.
I think 5 or 6 is more likely, but there's definitely a path to 4. If the top 4 win all their remaiming games against those 5 and no one emerges as a clear 5th, they could all end up on the wrong side of the bubble. Especially if we get a bid theif or two (Looking at you Missouri Valley, WCC, and American)
I'm concerned we're a bubble conference... So many bubblers. I wonder if I should root for Providence over Villanova just to sac Nova for the greater good.
But in the big picture I only really care about MU, MU, MU winning, winning, winning!
6 BE teams though makes us look good.
Lance Jones is really freaking good.
He and Smith are the team right now with Edey being a nonfactor.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 04, 2024, 01:10:16 PM
Lance Jones is really freaking good.
He and Smith are the team right now with Edey being a nonfactor.
Wrong thread.
Do we want Prov or Nova?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2024, 05:14:27 PM
Do we want Prov or Nova?
Doesnt really matter much. 51 and 53 in the NET. A close game is nice to keep both teams metrics steady.
Personally I want Nova tho. Would be nice to see them make a run at the tourney. Also Prov fans are annoying as hell so can always enjoy their Ls
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2024, 05:17:17 PM
Doesnt really matter much. 51 and 53 in the NET. A close game is nice to keep both teams metrics steady.
Personally I want Nova tho. Would be nice to see them make a run at the tourney. Also Prov fans are annoying as hell so can always enjoy their Ls
That sounds reasonable. Neither team is exactly lighting it up early.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2024, 05:19:04 PM
That sounds reasonable. Neither team is exactly lighting it up early.
Nova just launching up bricks
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2024, 05:22:12 PM
Nova just launching up bricks
When does the Neptune countdown start?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2024, 05:19:04 PM
That sounds reasonable. Neither team is exactly lighting it up early.
I feel like that's an understatement this is painful to watch. 20% of the game's over and it's 6 to 5... this is painful
Nova making a few shots now.
But yeah, brutal game so far
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2024, 05:26:32 PM
Nova making a few shots now.
But yeah, brutal game so far
First to 35 gets the win?
Providence is on a 3-0 run.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2024, 05:40:31 PM
Providence is on a 3-0 run.
Jesus Christmas on a donkey this game is terrible.
Still better than Big10 basketball!
16 points at the half is pretty bad.
Providence might be cooked.
They looked gassed from the jump. Their season is slipping away fast.
16 points in 24 minutes is BAD!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 04, 2024, 06:14:43 PM
Providence might be cooked.
They looked gassed from the jump. Their season is slipping away fast.
16 points in 24 minutes is BAD!
Gassed from what? The Divine Providence thing?
Turned it off before the half. My eyes were bleeding
10 minutes gone and score was 8 to 6
Nova needed this.
Go 2-0 in their games next week and they are back on right side of bubble
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2024, 06:31:49 PM
Nova needed this.
Go 2-0 in their games next week and they are back on right side of bubble
I didn't realize they already have 10 losses.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2024, 06:31:49 PM
Nova needed this.
Go 2-0 in their games next week and they are back on right side of bubble
Excellent Win for Nova. Helps MU's Cause.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2024, 08:26:13 PM
Excellent Win for Nova. Helps MU's Cause.
Mixed bag for MU. We beat Nova, but lost to Friars.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 04, 2024, 06:14:43 PM
Providence might be cooked.
They looked gassed from the jump. Their season is slipping away fast.
16 points in 24 minutes is BAD!
Dodds would say they had a UConn Hangover.
Quote from: wisblue on February 04, 2024, 09:30:40 PM
Dodds would say they had a UConn Hangover.
Maybe their UConn game was a Georgetown hangover.
Jerome Hunter of Xavier tore his achilles yesterday in practice.
Good luck, young man.
.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 02:33:39 PM
Jerome Hunter of Xavier tore his achilles yesterday in practice.
Good luck, young man.
am i missing something, Jerome Hunter was on the team last year. Doesn't look like he's still on the team for 23/24.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 02:33:39 PM
Jerome Hunter of Xavier tore his achilles yesterday in practice.
Good luck, young man.
A tough blow for a player who hasn't been able to play in a game this year because of a heart issue.
He has missed the entire season - recovering from heart surgery. He was practicing, plans to return next season.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/05/sports/ed-cooleys-georgetown-team-looks-painfully-familiar/amp/
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Looking for to our battle with them Saturday.
Spencer is the guy you cannot let go off for UCONN.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 08:15:18 PM
Spencer is the guy you cannot let go off for UCONN.
Spencer has been consistently effective.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/06/sports/st-johns-record-night-from-deep-propels-blowout-win-over-depaul/amp/
DJ Davis is only shooting 97% from the FT line.
Butler is hanging tough.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on February 06, 2024, 02:53:04 PM
am i missing something, Jerome Hunter was on the team last year. Doesn't look like he's still on the team for 23/24.
He was on the roster. He was sitting due to a cardiac issue. Just got cleared to practice like a week ago
UConn no cover, but that no (thad) matta.
UCONN is good. We must eliminate Spencer. I'm not advocating violence or anything but we simply cannot allow that kid to get open looks. Get in his grill and dog him for 40 mins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 09:42:49 PM
Get in his grill and dog him for 40 mins.
Smoke him on the grill like a NY street hot dog...
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 06, 2024, 09:45:47 PM
Smoke him on the grill like a NY street hot dog...
All I know is we must make a concerted effort and eliminate him Dr.B. He should not be treated with kid gloves.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 09:59:56 PM
All I know is we must make a concerted effort and eliminate him Dr.B. He should not be treated with kid gloves.
Stevie, Ross and Zaide will be ready for the assignment.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 06, 2024, 10:03:00 PM
Stevie, Ross and Zaide will be ready for the assignment.
I think we all realize there are a handful of players you can't eliminate. Spencer is not Steph Curry. Make sure he doesn't get clean looks and frustrate him to death.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 09:42:49 PM
UCONN is good. We must eliminate Spencer. I'm not advocating violence or anything but we simply cannot allow that kid to get open looks. Get in his grill and dog him for 40 mins.
Why is this the time youre going soft on us??
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 09:59:56 PM
All I know is we must make a concerted effort and eliminate him Dr.B. He should not be treated with kid gloves.
I am more worried about Clingan and Karaban. Bad match up for MU.
For some reason I'm not worried about UConn.
Sure, they are good, very good, but so is Marquette.
You'd think that the pressure would fall on Marquette's shoulders in that 2/17 game as BE Champ, but it won't because UConn will be #1, at home, defending National Champ.
They will have a lot of incentive to run Marquette out of the building in front of the nation to see on FOX, and things can get out of hand on the road, but I think our guys will play more pressure free than I would've expected and I like that.
Gotta beat StJ and Butler first though.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 06, 2024, 10:09:33 PM
I am more worried about Clingan and Karaban. Bad match up for MU.
They're a very good team but we can cause issues for them as well. I do think their A game is better than our A game but we absolutely can punk them in Hartford.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 06, 2024, 10:14:24 PM
For some reason I'm not worried about UConn.
Sure, they are good, very good, but so is Marquette.
You'd think that the pressure would fall on Marquette's shoulders in that 2/17 game as BE Champ, but it won't because UConn will be #1, at home, defending National Champ.
They will have a lot of incentive to run Marquette out of the building in front of the nation to see on FOX, and things can get out of hand on the road, but I think our guys will play more pressure free than I would've expected and I like that.
Gotta beat StJ and Butler first though.
100% correct Dr.V. Take care of business and then come into UCONN fast and loose.
Ill be stunned if we win in Uconn. Have we even been competitive there since they returned to BE?
Get em in Milwaukee at least
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 06, 2024, 10:09:33 PM
I am more worried about Clingan and Karaban. Bad match up for MU.
Yep. Karaban especially... He is so good at finding space in their offense.
If Uconn is hitting threes no one is beating them. Gotta hope they're off and MU doesn't get totally run off the boards.
We can beat UConn. Last year's UConn team had more talent and we beat them twice. They have won 11 in a row but they haven't all been pretty; this isn't the invincible juggernaut people are making them out to be.
I think the key is Oso exploiting Clingan off the dribble and getting him in foul trouble. If we remove the ogre from the middle then I think MU matches up relatively favorably 1-4, and Oso is a lot better than Samson Johnson.
Johnnie Family Dynasty
https://nypost.com/2024/02/06/sports/rick-pitino-wants-son-richard-to-take-st-johns-job-when-he-leaves/amp/
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on February 06, 2024, 11:55:55 PM
We can beat UConn. Last year's UConn team had more talent and we beat them twice. They have won 11 in a row but they haven't all been pretty; this isn't the invincible juggernaut people are making them out to be.
I think the key is Oso exploiting Clingan off the dribble and getting him in foul trouble. If we remove the ogre from the middle then I think MU matches up relatively favorably 1-4, and Oso is a lot better than Samson Johnson.
I've come around to being close to the bolded, but they are damn good. Didn't Clingan somehow manage to get 4 fouls in 5 minutes recently? We simply
must get him somewhat under control and then yes, we can take UCONN down.
See, Karaban is a worry on offense, but he is easily exposed on Defense. Not quick at all. I remember O-Max driving past him often
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 06, 2024, 11:18:56 PM
Yep. Karaban especially... He is so good at finding space in their offense.
If Uconn is hitting threes no one is beating them. Gotta hope they're off and MU doesn't get totally run off the boards.
Was texting with another MU fan about this upcoming game, and he made a good point. Their most impressive win is UNC on a neutral. Good scheduling of Gonzaga but zags don't have it this year. We all know about Texas.
Lost at Kansas.
We will be their toughest test in quite some time.
Here's how I look it: Yes, UCONN is a nightmare to beat if they're hitting threes. There's no doubt about that. But of the three guys that are capable of making threes Spencer should be the target to stop. Why? Because he's their best shooter and he usually doesn't drop the triple going off the bounce and then unloading. He has more trouble getting his shot off than Newton and Caraban is significantly taller. If Newton goes off there aren't a lot of answers and Caraban is a very difficult cover inside and out. Spencer is a guy you can smother imo and pestiferous defenders, with the elimination philosophy, can in fact take him out of his game.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on February 06, 2024, 11:55:55 PM
We can beat UConn. Last year's UConn team had more talent and we beat them twice. They have won 11 in a row but they haven't all been pretty; this isn't the invincible juggernaut people are making them out to be.
I think the key is Oso exploiting Clingan off the dribble and getting him in foul trouble. If we remove the ogre from the middle then I think MU matches up relatively favorably 1-4, and Oso is a lot better than Samson Johnson.
We without question can beat this tean El Guerrero. It's a difficult challenge for sure but MU has the arsenal to play with them and come out on top. It will take our A game and a complete performance.
Quote from: zcg2013 on February 07, 2024, 09:01:00 AM
See, Karaban is a worry on offense, but he is easily exposed on Defense. Not quick at all. I remember O-Max driving past him often
Was texting with another MU fan about this upcoming game, and he made a good point. Their most impressive win is UNC on a neutral. Good scheduling of Gonzaga but zags don't have it this year. We all know about Texas.
Lost at Kansas.
We will be their toughest test in quite some time.
Agree about the teams that you listed except Kansas. Their home court advantage is crazy, and their fans are absolutely deafening. There is no shame to losing @ Kansas.
Let's add Seton Hall to the discussion. How did they take down UCONN?
Edit: Visiting St. Johns stayed with them until very late in the game. UCONN has some chinks in its armor.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2024, 09:34:11 AM
Agree about the teams that you listed except Kansas. Their home court advantage is crazy, and their fans are absolutely deafening. There is no shame to losing @ Kansas.
Let's add Seton Hall to the discussion. How did they take down UCONN?
Injured Clingan.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2024, 09:40:12 AM
Injured Clingan.
Oh, that's
right. So let's injure him.
Still, SH'S margin was solid, but thanks for the post.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2024, 09:42:24 AM
Oh, that's right. So let's injure him.
We don't say injure here. It's introduce to darkness. We aren't a dirty team.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 07, 2024, 09:44:14 AM
We don't say injure here. It's introduce to darkness. We aren't a dirty team.
I stand corrected. Mea Culpa.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2024, 09:42:24 AM
Oh, that's right. So let's injure him.
Still, SH'S margin was solid, but thanks for the post.
It was also their first road conference game. Those games are tough unless you're playing DePaul or Georgetown.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2024, 09:59:53 AM
It was also their first road conference game. Those games are tough unless you're playing DePaul or Georgetown.
OK, OK. No more reality checks from you please.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2024, 09:59:53 AM
It was also their first road conference game. Those games are tough unless you're playing DePaul or Georgetown.
I think it was more this. UConn was already down 6 when Clingan went out.
UConn got trucked at Seton Hall without Clingan. They barely beat Nova; St. John's played them tough in Hartford; Butler gave them 2 good games.
They're really, really good, probably the best team in country.
We're pretty darn good, too, and fully capable of beating them.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 11:02:46 AM
UConn got trucked at Seton Hall without Clingan. They barely beat Nova; St. John's played them tough in Hartford; Butler gave them 2 good games.
They're really, really good, probably the best team in country.
We're pretty darn good, too, and fully capable of beating them.
SJU never had a chance to win in the final 10 minutes.
That was with clingan barely playing. Johnson also in foul trouble. And no Karaban.
I'd put that in the really impressive Uconn column
Edit. Missed the Hartford part. But that was no clingan as well.
It does seem like Clingan has not been as disciplined this year and fouling a lot. Or that's just my eye test when I watch the team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 06, 2024, 10:06:54 PM
I think we all realize there are a handful of players you can't eliminate. Spencer is not Steph Curry. Make sure he doesn't get clean looks and frustrate him to death.
How many times have we seen guys that are not Steph Curry become Steph Curry when they play us.
Quote from: zcg2013 on February 07, 2024, 11:18:19 AM
It does seem like Clingan has not been as disciplined this year and fouling a lot. Or that's just my eye test when I watch the team.
He's actually fouling quite a bit less this year compared to last
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 05:38:14 AM
Johnnie Family Dynasty
https://nypost.com/2024/02/06/sports/rick-pitino-wants-son-richard-to-take-st-johns-job-when-he-leaves/amp/
This will make some Louisville fans sad.
So we're virtually certain that UCONN will be #1 when we play them on 2/17. The fact that they play two borderline D1 teams before us may work to our advantage.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 11:10:56 AM
SJU never had a chance to win in the final 10 minutes.
That was with clingan barely playing. Johnson also in foul trouble. And no Karaban.
I'd put that in the really impressive Uconn column
Edit. Missed the Hartford part. But that was no clingan as well.
Yes to all of that.
UConn is really, really good.
So is Marquette.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 11:38:43 AM
He's actually fouling quite a bit less this year compared to last
Specifically, he's down from 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes last year down to 3.9 this season.
For comparison, that puts him between Ben Gold (4.6) and Oso Ighadoro (2.6).
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 07, 2024, 12:22:53 PM
Specifically, he's down from 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes last year down to 3.9 this season.
For comparison, that puts him between Ben Gold (4.6) and Oso Ighadoro (2.6).
So he fouled out every game he played 40 minutes
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 07, 2024, 12:22:53 PM
Specifically, he's down from 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes last year down to 3.9 this season.
For comparison, that puts him between Ben Gold (4.6) and Oso Ighadoro (2.6).
What? Gold fouls a lot. That just can't be.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 11:10:56 AM
SJU never had a chance to win in the final 10 minutes.
That was with clingan barely playing. Johnson also in foul trouble. And no Karaban.
I'd put that in the really impressive Uconn column
Edit. Missed the Hartford part. But that was no clingan as well.
I guess one needs to define had a chance to win. SJU was down two with the ball with under 30 seconds.
0:37 Chris Ledlum Defensive Rebound. 65 67
0:17 Foul on Tristen Newton. 65 67
0:17 Chris Ledlum missed Free Throw. 65 67
0:17 St. John's Offensive Rebound. 65 67
0:17 St. John's Timeout 65 67
0:17 Chris Ledlum missed Free Throw. 65 67
And to think. I even put in the edit disclaimer
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 02:20:54 PM
And to think. I even put in the edit disclaimer
Sorry about that.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 11:02:46 AM
UConn got trucked at Seton Hall without Clingan. They barely beat Nova; St. John's played them tough in Hartford; Butler gave them 2 good games.
They're really, really good, probably the best team in country.
We're pretty darn good, too, and fully capable of beating them.
Yep.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 04, 2024, 08:40:04 PM
Mixed bag for MU. We beat Nova, but lost to Friars.
Definitely a better result for MU as long as we beat PC at home, which we should relatively easily.
Villanova continues their run of cold shooting starts.
It is possible for Mr Cooley to pull an upset against a non DePaul team. Glad MU got its two big wins and stayed on serve
Matt Norlander, who follows Big East closely, has Butler projected to make tournament. Coaching Matta..
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 06:45:08 PM
Matt Norlander, who follows Big East closely, has Butler projected to make tournament. Coaching Matta..
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust....
Seton Hall needs to put this away. A small win is already bad for metrics
If they blow this one season is over
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 07:11:32 PM
Seton Hall needs to put this away. A small win is already bad for metrics
If they blow this one season is over
Good. I can't stand that fanbase. And like Shaheen even less than the fanbase.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2024, 07:22:52 PM
Good. I can't stand that fanbase. And like Shaheen even less than the fanbase.
Hall is the worst of the BE
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2024, 07:22:52 PM
Good. I can't stand that fanbase. And like Shaheen even less than the fanbase.
Seton Hall can't lose enough as far as I'm concerned. Been to multiple games out east and they are always the worst. Arrogant, vulgar, profane, etc.
Good to see Richmond feeling better.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 07:11:32 PM
Seton Hall needs to put this away. A small win is already bad for metrics
If they blow this one season is over
Yea, I won't be too broken-hearted if they miss the tournament.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 07, 2024, 07:29:04 PM
Seton Hall can't lose enough as far as I'm concerned. Been to multiple games out east and they are always the worst. Arrogant, vulgar, profane, etc.
The year Joey was at MU a couple probably in their 60s and what I assume was their child and in law sat down in front of us. They took their coats off and kind of hung them over their seat and asked if that was okay. I said of course and then saw their Seton Hall gear and made it very clear I was joking, saying "oh no sorry not with that gear on." They looked at me like I was the biggest dick in the world. Then they spent the entire game swearing at the refs, booing Theo, etc. They were clowns. I'm all good for cheering your team on when you go to a road game, but know your surroundings.
Since Dec. 7, 2019, Georgetown has played 46 road games. They have lost 41 of them. That's an astoundingly bad number.
Shooting 10 for 40 from three point range tonight is a good way to keep that run going.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 07, 2024, 07:29:04 PM
Seton Hall can't lose enough as far as I'm concerned. Been to multiple games out east and they are always the worst. Arrogant, vulgar, profane, etc.
All three of them? They don't even show up for their games.
Solid win for X
Perhaps I was correct when I stated repeatedly that Nova wasn't any better than the middle tier in our league? And that their early wins and "F4 experience " meant diddly squat?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2024, 08:18:09 PM
Perhaps I was correct when I stated repeatedly that Nova wasn't any better than the middle tier in our league? And that their early wins and "F4 experience " meant diddly squat?
Muggsy:
Excellent Insight. Nova Coaching Staff adding negative value.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 08:29:28 PM
Muggsy:
Excellent Insight. Nova Coaching Staff adding negative value.
You just don't replace a Jay Wright. It will be interesting to see what Nova does moving forward.
Villanova is 2-7 in their last 9 after starting 3-0 in Conference.
Started with that loss in Milwaukee on MLK Day.
Looks like they are toast
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 08:29:28 PM
Muggsy:
Excellent Insight. Nova Coaching Staff adding negative value.
Agree Herm. The coaching staff is not good and needs to go sooner rather than later.
I don't understand how you don't burn your last TO when you see your play blown up.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 06:45:08 PM
Matt Norlander, who follows Big East closely, has Butler projected to make tournament. Coaching Matta..
Top 8 free throw shooting team in the country!
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 07, 2024, 08:35:42 PM
Agree Herm. The coaching staff is not good and needs to go sooner rather than later.
🔥 🔥 🔥
Nobody gets away with more push offs in the Big East than Scheyerman.
Do we want Providence?
Omg what a shot.
Who is the announcer in this Creighton game? His screaming is driving me crazy.
Should be at least 3 seconds on the clock
Wow. That push could have been called.
Providence dude was fouled on that last play
that was dangerous. he undercut him. Definitely could have been called
Quote from: romey on February 07, 2024, 09:41:51 PM
that was dangerous. he undercut him. Definitely could have been called
I thought it was a foul. Could have cost them the game.
This game went to OT with 7 fouls total in the 2nd half. 1 of them was intentional
Thats the type of ball the people wanna watch
Is this announcers brain on a 10 second delay?
Stupid foul by Kalk
Oduro has been fantastic. Heck of a win for Prov. Sims has some issues as a pbp guy.
Oduro and Kolek would have been a good one-two punch at George Mason for years if they both stayed there.
Great game. Both teams played well
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 06:25:54 PM
It is possible for Mr Cooley to pull an upset against a non DePaul team. Glad MU got its two big wins and stayed on serve
You have always been infactuated by Cooley, with your new moniker "Mr. Cooley"........whatever.
Read this, even though not from NY Post:
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3502979/the-ed-cooley-disaster-rolls-on-doesnt-even-care-about-winning-hes-too-busy-yelling-at-students-that-hes-rich-as-a-motherfucker.-rich-as-crap
Quote from: nyg on February 07, 2024, 09:57:59 PM
You have always been infactuated by Cooley, with your new moniker "Mr. Cooley"........whatever.
Read this, even though not from NY Post:
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3502979/the-ed-cooley-disaster-rolls-on-doesnt-even-care-about-winning-hes-too-busy-yelling-at-students-that-hes-rich-as-a-motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.-rich-as-crap
Goodman raging at this article.
Creighton continues to essentially play with 4 guys since Farabello doesnt provide much and McDermott doesn't use the bench...
Seems like it's catching up to them late in these games.
Nice win for Providence, who is also playing with essentially just its starters.
Has anyone had a worse year in ncaab, or at the very least in the BE than Garwey Dual?
The hype was massive, they were raving about him out of camp and he was a projected very high (lottery?) pick.
Not sure where he's at now but it can't be good, he's stunk.
Quality win for The Friars. McDermott needs to figure out a way to get some depth in his roster. I know he likes to redshirt freshman and hope it pays off in the future. However, I think they will need to buy some players in The Portal this year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 10:34:52 PM
Quality win for The Friars. McDermott needs to figure out a way to get some depth in his roster. I know he likes to redshirt freshman and hope it pays off in the future. However, I think they will need to buy some players in The Portal this year.
Well yeah, their 3 best players are gonna be gone. They will need a lot.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2024, 10:37:07 PM
Well yeah, their 3 best players are gonna be gone. They will need a lot.
I also believe The blue Jays need to get their guys in the Weight Room. Two many 98 pound weaklings. They need more Charles Atlas types.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 10:34:52 PM
Quality win for The Friars. McDermott needs to figure out a way to get some depth in his roster. I know he likes to redshirt freshman and hope it pays off in the future. However, I think they will need to buy some players in The Portal this year.
Hate to be a wet blanket, but we may need to do the same thing.
Who is leaving? After all, assuming TKo and Oso are gone, 12 scholarships are already spoken for.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2024, 07:30:05 AM
Who is leaving? After all, assuming TKo and Oso are gone, 12 scholarships are already spoken for.
Cam is taking Memphis NIL money and hopefully we can run off Jolpin and Gold
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2024, 07:30:05 AM
Who is leaving? After all, assuming TKo and Oso are gone, 12 scholarships are already spoken for.
Don't we always say that things have a way of working themselves out? There were a few transfers last year, and i could easily see a few transfers this year as well.
I disagree with the premise that MU needs an infusion of talent for next season. Yes, it will be different without Oso and TKo and they will be missed. However, every team has to start anew every season. And even if Shaka does use the portal, it is extremely unlikely he finds equivalent talent and leadership.
We will just need one portal player. A PG for TK.
A Gold/Jop front court is a little scary. But Owens, Parham along with Zaire and chase can spell.
Kam, Stevie, Chase is a great veteran guard trio. With Tre and Zaide behind them.
Just need a main ball handler. Kam and Stevie can help but I don't want them focusing on being points.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2024, 08:08:03 AM
We will just need one portal player. A PG for TK.
A Gold/Jop front court is a little scary. But Owens, Parham along with Zaire and chase can spell.
Kam, Stevie, Chase is a great veteran guard trio. With Tre and Zaide behind them.
Just need a main ball handler. Kam and Stevie can help but I don't want them focusing on being points.
Good chance Tre is the main ball handler by next October.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2024, 08:08:03 AM
We will just need one portal player. A PG for TK.
A Gold/Jop front court is a little scary. But Owens, Parham along with Zaire and chase can spell.
Kam, Stevie, Chase is a great veteran guard trio. With Tre and Zaide behind them.
Just need a main ball handler. Kam and Stevie can help but I don't want them focusing on being points.
I totally trust Shaka will get what we need.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2024, 08:08:03 AM
We will just need one portal player. A PG for TK.
A Gold/Jop front court is a little scary. But Owens, Parham along with Zaire and chase can spell.
Kam, Stevie, Chase is a great veteran guard trio. With Tre and Zaide behind them.
Just need a main ball handler. Kam and Stevie can help but I don't want them focusing on being points.
Right, even without Kolek and Oso, there's a lot to be excited about next year. Rotation full of guys in their 3rd and 4th years in the program. Shaka will bet on Gold to take a big step forward so little chance we add a big, especially with Parham and Hamilton already in the fold. I agree that we're one guard short if Kolek leaves, so excited to see what Shaka would do there in that scenario.
The money-men who made Wojo disappear? All we need is for them to open the bag for Kolek. They have businesses begging for a million-dollar college spokesperson, right?
Problem solved!
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2024, 08:04:26 AM
I disagree with the premise that MU needs an infusion of talent for next season. Yes, it will be different without Oso and TKo and they will be missed. However, every team has to start anew every season. And even if Shaka does use the portal, it is extremely unlikely he finds equivalent talent and leadership.
Tyler will most likely be gone. rumor's recently posted here indicate Sean Jones won't be ready to start the season, and may not be ready to go at all next year. So... Who's your PG? ...and don't say Kam Jones, he HAS to play off the ball.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 08, 2024, 08:10:05 AM
Good chance Tre is the main ball handler by next October.
This would be a very poor option. I know that replacing TKO will be hard, but this would be a drop in talent at a "mammoth" proportion.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2024, 08:08:03 AM
We will just need one portal player. A PG for TK.
A Gold/Jop front court is a little scary. But Owens, Parham along with Zaire and chase can spell.
Kam, Stevie, Chase is a great veteran guard trio. With Tre and Zaide behind them.
Just need a main ball handler. Kam and Stevie can help but I don't want them focusing on being points.
Don't forget Amadou and Hamilton in the front court. Not sure what to expect from either but they will be part of the equation if they are here (which I expect them to be)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2024, 07:32:04 AM
Cam is taking Memphis NIL money and hopefully we can run off Jolpin and Gold
You want Stevie on the team?
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 08, 2024, 10:06:32 AM
You want Stevie on the team?
All this time and you never knew Stevie is his nephew?
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 08, 2024, 10:06:32 AM
You want Stevie on the team?
Do I? Yes, but I defer to scoop's game thread ball knowers
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2024, 06:45:08 PM
Matt Norlander, who follows Big East closely, has Butler projected to make tournament. Coaching Matta..
He doesn't follow Bracketology closely though. I have Butler in, but Norlander tends to make declarative statements that are not at all rooted in current data or facts when it comes to who is in and out, and where those teams are seeded.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 08, 2024, 08:57:09 AM
This would be a very poor option. I know that replacing TKO will be hard, but this would be a drop in talent at a "mammoth" proportion.
He's going to be a soph and our only real option until Sean comes back from his injury.
Prepare for it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 08, 2024, 10:49:27 AM
He's going to be a soph and our only real option until Sean comes back from his injury.
Prepare for it.
...Or you have a "project" transfer out (like Keeyan Itejere did last year) free up a scholarship and go find a one year player to allow Tre to develop and Sean to heal.
Kam. That was easy.
People keep doubting Stevie. I keep marveling at this.
Seriously, I believe next year's PG is already on the roster. I believe the answer will reveal itself. And while it really isn't possible for (x) to be Kolek, very few saw Kolek coming.
For Kam's future as a pro, coming back and playing more PG could be beneficial.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2024, 12:24:53 PM
Kam. That was easy.
People keep doubting Stevie. I keep marveling at this.
Seriously, I believe next year's PG is already on the roster. I believe the answer will reveal itself. And while it really isn't possible for (x) to be Kolek, very few saw Kolek coming.
Before Sean's injury I would have bet the farm that Shaka would not get a transfer. Right now, I could see it either way. I think all of the conjecture right now is pretty pointless since we don't even know who's going to be in the portal, who knows a perfect match might reveal itself. Wait to start speculating until April, and even then Shaka seems to usually keep things close to the vest.
Paint Touches had a chart the other day showing Mark Armstrong is statistically the top Big East pick and roll ball handler. If he wants to get out of Nova....
(Kolek was number two with significantly more possessions)
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2024, 12:24:53 PM
Kam. That was easy.
People keep doubting Stevie. I keep marveling at this.
Seriously, I believe next year's PG is already on the roster. I believe the answer will reveal itself. And while it really isn't possible for (x) to be Kolek, very few saw Kolek coming.
People doubting Stevie are 💯 idiots
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 08, 2024, 12:36:11 PM
Wait to start speculating until April
You're new here, aintcha?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2024, 12:47:33 PM
People doubting Stevie are 💯 idiots
now now, an idiots comment will definitely get misconstrued on Scoop, hey
a 25 recruit at PG might reclassify to 24
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2024, 12:47:33 PM
People doubting Stevie are 💯 idiots
Agreed, but are there really more than one or two people on here that continue to doubt Stevie, even now? This is being asked by someone who does not go near the game thread.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 08, 2024, 09:53:21 PM
Agreed, but are there really more than one or two people on here that continue to doubt Stevie, even now? This is being asked by someone who does not go near the game thread.
Willie called Stevie dung and constantly complains about him and Jolp and Gold
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2024, 10:13:23 PM
Willie called Stevie dung and constantly complains about him and Jolp and Gold
Ha! Take that like a grain of salt. Willie seems to have interesting opinions. And some people just need to complain. But he does seem to care about MU and likely is celebrating this program's success as much as anyone in his own way.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 08, 2024, 10:22:59 PM
Ha! Take that like a grain of salt. Willie seems to have interesting opinions. And some people just need to complain. But he does seem to care about MU and likely is celebrating this program's success as much as anyone in his own way.
Once again Rita is outright lying, which is his MO in life. I never said Mitchell was dung, ever. But Meathead Rita did. He has no credibility and he knows it.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 09, 2024, 05:42:43 AM
Once again Rita is outright lying, which is his MO in life. I never said Mitchell was dung, ever. But Meathead Rita did. He has no credibility and he knows it.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 11:37:44 AM
This is bar none atrocious. Mitchell cannot shoot either. What a pile of dung.
Give willie this..."Meathead Rita" is a much better user name than "Uncle Rico."
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 09, 2024, 07:06:00 AM
Give willie this..."Meathead Rita" is a much better user name than "Uncle Rico."
Someday, I'll share why I chose that moniker and it was to mock a poster here because I'm a bad person
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2024, 07:11:27 AM
Someday, I'll share why I chose that moniker and it was to mock a poster here because I'm a bad person
Should have probably gone with Dunkle Rico then, aina?
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 08, 2024, 01:54:14 PM
a 25 recruit at PG might reclassify to 24
The last thing I want to count on is a reclassified point guard. Markus Howard types at that position are rare, and even when they work out it's usually with mixed results at best like Elliott Cadeau at North Carolina.
"Reports: Josh Oduro did not travel with the team to Indianapolis today due to the expected birth of his first child.
Prayers to Josh, his wife, and his baby who's soon on the way 🙏.
#pcbb"
That poor kid is gonna be hated in Providence if they lose and ultimately miss the tournament.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 03:38:59 PM
"Reports: Josh Oduro did not travel with the team to Indianapolis today due to the expected birth of his first child.
Prayers to Josh, his wife, and his baby who's soon on the way 🙏.
#pcbb"
That poor kid is gonna be hated in Providence if they lose and ultimately miss the tournament.
Why the teal?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 09, 2024, 03:51:06 PM
Why the teal?
Ha. I guess you make a point with it being Providence and all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 03:38:59 PM
"Reports: Josh Oduro did not travel with the team to Indianapolis today due to the expected birth of his first child.
Prayers to Josh, his wife, and his baby who's soon on the way 🙏.
#pcbb"
That poor kid is gonna be hated in Providence if they lose and ultimately miss the tournament.
Hopefully the Mother and Child are both healthy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2024, 09:59:39 AM
The last thing I want to count on is a reclassified point guard. Markus Howard types at that position are rare, and even when they work out it's usually with mixed results at best like Elliott Cadeau at North Carolina.
Agreed. I don't want another Symir Torrence
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 08, 2024, 12:43:43 PM
Paint Touches had a chart the other day showing Mark Armstrong is statistically the top Big East pick and roll ball handler. If he wants to get out of Nova....
He would be perfect with MU offense
(Kolek was number two with significantly more possessions)
https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/sports/rick-pitino-kidding-about-nepotistic-st-johns-plan-of-succession/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 10, 2024, 06:42:32 AM
https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/sports/rick-pitino-kidding-about-nepotistic-st-johns-plan-of-succession/
Typical of politicians and other people in the news when something they said blows up in their faces: "I was joking". Bull!
Was just looking at some BEast teams' schedules and couldn't help noticing how big a week Butler has coming up with three huge home games at Hinkle:
Providence today ... Marquette on Tuesday ... Creighton next Saturday.
Like most here, I am always thinking about Marquette, but other teams obviously have enormous motivation to win, too. We've already seen that Butler is a pretty good team, and they certainly could win all 3 games during this stretch.
But they'll have to settle for 2-1!
I'm still not sold on Butler. They're better than i thought they would be but I think they come crashing down before the end
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2024, 10:20:35 AM
Was just looking at some BEast teams' schedules and couldn't help noticing how big a week Butler has coming up with three huge home games at Hinkle:
Providence today ... Marquette on Tuesday ... Creighton next Saturday.
Like most here, I am always thinking about Marquette, but other teams obviously have enormous motivation to win, too. We've already seen that Butler is a pretty good team, and they certainly could win all 3 games during this stretch.
But they'll have to settle for 2-1!
I'll go 1-2, maybe even 0-3 which would be wild.
If they go 2-1 they might dance, and that's a big props to Matta
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 10, 2024, 11:08:08 AM
I'm still not sold on Butler. They're better than i thought they would be but I think they come crashing down before the end
If so, I hope the crash commences on Tuesday.
Creighton decided they did not want to give a 3rd straight BE team a resume win.
These teams are bad. How did we lose to them both?
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2024, 01:52:01 PM
These teams are bad. How did we lose to them both?
Basketball happens.
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2024, 01:52:01 PM
These teams are bad. How did we lose to them both?
Well with Providence this is kinda a dumb question
1. It was in Prov where they are like 48-5 in their last 53 or some sh it
2. They had Hopkins
3. They had Oduru
The Prov today could not be any different then the one we faced.
Butler........well, we missed 18 uncontested 3s. We simply played a all time bad game.
Dad, do you even know what rhetorical means?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2024, 01:14:12 PM
Creighton decided they did not want to give a 3rd straight BE team a resume win.
Excellent Road win for The Blue Jays
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2024, 01:54:20 PM
Well with Providence this is kinda a dumb question
1. It was in Prov where they are like 48-5 in their last 53 or some sh it
2. They had Hopkins
3. They had Oduru
And we didn't have Stevie for that game.
The Prov today could not be any different then the one we faced.
Butler........well, we missed 18 uncontested 3s. We simply played a all time bad game.
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2024, 01:57:37 PM
Dad, do you even know what rhetorical means?
It appears you dont
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2024, 02:45:29 PM
It appears you dont
Oh dear, how did your Jesuit education fail you so badly?
Devin Carter going to win BE POY
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2024, 02:59:12 PM
Devin Carter going to win BE POY
That hair... just bic it man
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2024, 02:59:12 PM
Devin Carter going to win BE POY
Maybe not. Prov chokes. Try for the game winning dunk in traffic.
Was fouled though
Wow.....shocked no foul call there.
Providence finding out what it's like to be the Big East road team not getting any calls. 👀
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2024, 03:12:21 PM
Wow.....shocked no foul call there.
Just got clobbered. But in the Big East, if you are at home and just barely get the ball... no foul.
Taking the ball to the basket on the road is a high risk proposition. Good chance the refs swallow their whistles like they did there.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 10, 2024, 03:13:31 PM
Just got clobbered. But in the Big East, if you are at home and just barely get the ball... no foul.
I get the swallow the whistle thing but that was not even close to borderline.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2024, 03:14:58 PM
I get the swallow the whistle thing but that was not even close to borderline.
Going to be a tough game at Hinkle coming up for us if the refs let that stuff go.
Excellent win for Butler
Coaching Matta....
I'm hoping for Nova to hang a loss on Seton Hall today.
Do we want Nova or the Hall?
Quote from: wisblue on February 11, 2024, 11:11:53 AM
I'm hoping for Nova to hang a loss on Seton Hall today.
Me too. Obnoxious SH fans and the fact that they are just one W behind us in BE standings are the reasons why I would like to see SH go down. But can Neptune figure out how to do it?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2024, 11:12:55 AM
Do we want Nova or the Hall?
You gotta come to the realization that teams 4-9 are jumbled at all times and consistently playing each other multiple times a week and ultimately they dont matter at all for us. We play them all twice. We are far ahead of them all
Hell on 1 hand if Nova wins they could become a Q1A road win for us. ON the other hand SHU NET is 67 and if they fall apart they go from Q1 loss and Q2 win to a Q2 and Q3.
4-9 is chaos.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2024, 11:17:21 AM
You gotta come to the realization that teams 4-9 are jumbled at all times and consistently playing each other multiple times a week and ultimately they dont matter at all for us. We play them all twice. We are far ahead of them all
Hell on 1 hand if Nova wins they could become a Q1A road win for us. ON the other hand SHU NET is 67 and if they fall apart they go from Q1 loss and Q2 win to a Q2 and Q3.
4-9 is chaos.
Fair enough. I'm guessing we'll be #5 tomorrow. If UNC is ahead of us it's a travesty. Boy is Gillen annoying.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2024, 11:17:21 AM
You gotta come to the realization that teams 4-9 are jumbled at all times and consistently playing each other multiple times a week and ultimately they dont matter at all for us. We play them all twice. We are far ahead of them all
Hell on 1 hand if Nova wins they could become a Q1A road win for us. ON the other hand SHU NET is 67 and if they fall apart they go from Q1 loss and Q2 win to a Q2 and Q3.
4-9 is chaos.
My rationale for wanting Nova has nothing to do with how it affects MU's resume because, as you point out, the impact of the conference teams can be something of a zero sum game.
I am just looking at the conference standings and ahead to conference tournament seedings. If MU can't get the 1 seed I would want them to get the 2 or 3 to get a first round bye in the bracket opposite UConn.
A Seton Hall loss would put MU 2 losses clear of third place. As we were reminded yesterday, , MU still has 7 difficult games and can use a cushion.
Nova 39 SH 24 at the half. I wonder how many SH fans will leave at halftime and enjoy their Superbowl parties a little early, especially the alcohol related parts.
Excellent first half performance at home by Nova. Let's see what adjustments The Hall makes in the second half.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2024, 11:57:28 AM
Excellent first half performance at home by Nova. Let's see what adjustments The Hall makes in the second half.
OOPs! I had the home team/visitor reversed. Still- I'm sure there are plenty of SH fans there. Or were. :D
"Watching" on the computer due to CBSSN.
Nova with their Classic 3 point ahooting today
Didn't see that one coming.
Nova went medieval on Shaheen and Co.
That should really help Villanovas metrics and hurt Seton Halls already struggling metrics.
SHU might be outta the top 75 now. No bueno
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2024, 03:14:55 PM
SHU might be outta the top 75 now. No bueno
It'll be close. We could add a Q1A win (Nova) while also adding a Q2 loss. The Nova win also helps St. John's, who swept them.
I hope SHU loses out.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2024, 03:14:55 PM
SHU might be outta the top 75 now. No bueno
SHU falls to 76. Villanova up to 42. (NET rankings came out early)
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2024, 08:17:26 PM
I hope SHU loses out.
Shame we don't play them next. Would love a chance to bury them further. I wouldn't lose any sleep if we end their season in the BET.
In the least shocking news of the day
TK named BE POW
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2024, 10:43:01 AM
In the least shocking news of the day
TK named BE POW
Well deserved honor
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2024, 10:43:01 AM
In the least shocking news of the day
TK named BE POW
There is definitely an assumption from some people that Carter is the BE POY. What would it take for Kolek to take it from him? I think if we beat them twice Kolek should be BE POY.
Quote from: TheGym on February 12, 2024, 12:19:05 PM
There is definitely an assumption from some people that Carter is the BE POY. What would it take for Kolek to take it from him? I think if we beat them twice Kolek should be BE POY.
If Tyler keeps playing the way he has he won't be caught.
IMO, Devin Carter is in 2nd at the moment.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 12, 2024, 12:21:51 PM
If Tyler keeps playing the way he has he won't be caught.
IMO, Devin Carter is in 2nd at the moment.
In last seven games:
19.8 points (including a total of 4 against SH)
10 Assists
Incredible play.
These were after his two brutal games against SH and Butler. If he keeps this pace or even close, he is BE POY and back in play for AA recognition.
Quote from: TheGym on February 12, 2024, 12:19:05 PM
There is definitely an assumption from some people that Carter is the BE POY. What would it take for Kolek to take it from him? I think if we beat them twice Kolek should be BE POY.
Can't beat them twice. They can beat us twice.
But ya if TK keeps around what he's doing now he should win it no doubt unless bias voter fatigue. He accounts for way more pts with his assists.
Also if we are a runaway top 2 team in the league while Providence finishes around 10-10. That'll swing to TK too
Quote from: nyg on February 12, 2024, 12:29:02 PM
In last seven games:
19.8 points (including a total of 4 against SH)
10 Assists
Incredible play.
These were after his two brutal games against SH and Butler. If he keeps this pace or even close, he is BE POY and back in play for AA recognition.
He also had 15/6 at half vs Gtown and then went cruise control as Kam went bonkers.
His numbers that game coulda been far more gaudy but wasn't necessary.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2024, 12:39:53 PM
He also had 15/6 at half vs Gtown and then went cruise control as Kam went bonkers.
His numbers that game coulda been far more gaudy but wasn't necessary.
TyKo is deserving of the BEPOW Honor. Unfortunately, this may be a similar circumstance to Markus in his Senior Year, when Markus was highly deserving, however the Coaches gave the award to Myles ("Cry Baby")Powell.
Quote from: TheGym on February 12, 2024, 12:19:05 PM
There is definitely an assumption from some people that Carter is the BE POY. What would it take for Kolek to take it from him? I think if we beat them twice Kolek should be BE POY.
Carter is playing on a bubble team in the bottom half of the league. I don't think that will equate to a Big East POY award. Team success matters. I think it's between Kolek and Tristen Newton, though if you go by performance in Big East play, it's Kolek and it's not particularly close.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 12, 2024, 01:03:05 PM
TyKo is deserving of the BEPOW Honor. Unfortunately, this may be a similar circumstance to Markus in his Senior Year, when Markus was highly deserving, however the Coaches gave the award to Myles ("Cry Baby")Powell.
Powell wasn't even the best player on his team.
And then he sued them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2024, 12:37:44 PM
Can't beat them twice. They can beat us twice.
But ya if TK keeps around what he's doing now he should win it no doubt unless bias voter fatigue. He accounts for way more pts with his assists.
Also if we are a runaway top 2 team in the league while Providence finishes around 10-10. That'll swing to TK too
Sorry, I got Castle and Carter mixed up
Quote from: TheGym on February 12, 2024, 02:18:55 PM
Sorry, I got Castle and Carter mixed up
Castle has no shot at POY.
If a Uconn player is winning it'll be Newton. Even tho imo I think it should be Spencer.
Johnnies are cooked
Tough first half for The Johnnies so far on the road
I didn't even know who SJU was playing so I went to see, expecting a 30 point deficit. They're down 6 with 24 minutes to play.
I swear some posters come on here and proclaim a game over and a team having quit on its season if a team starts down 4-0.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2024, 06:53:19 PM
I didn't even know who SJU was playing so I went to see, expecting a 30 point deficit. They're down 6 with 24 minutes to play.
I swear some posters come on here and proclaim a game over and a team having quit on its season if a team starts down 4-0.
It was 22-9 at one point. 13 points with 30 minutes left is scientifically impossible to overcome
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 06:56:27 PM
It was 22-9 at one point. 13 points with 30 minutes left is scientifically impossible to overcome
Yeah we should've taken a knee down 15 Saturday. Or down 17 to UCLA.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2024, 06:57:12 PM
Yeah we should've taken a knee down 15 Saturday. Or down 17 to UCLA.
Fact: Basketball is NOT a game of runs
Solid win for English Enterprises
The Creighton-Georgetown game is so bad that the announcers are reduced to hyping the possibility that Scheierman is looking to become the first Creighton player ever to get a points, rebounds, assists triple double.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 06:26:16 PM
Johnnies are cooked
Something tells me that Ricky is going to have to go portalling for another 8-10 guys after this season.
Going to be hard to establish a defensive culture doing that...
He needs a spark and a run to get in the dance and then make some noise to help his cause
Quote from: wisblue on February 13, 2024, 09:06:06 PM
The Creighton-Georgetown game is so bad that the announcers are reduced to hyping the possibility that Scheierman is looking to become the first Creighton player ever to get a points, rebounds, assists triple double.
He got it: 15/11/11.
17 Creighton threes won the game, however.
Hoyas' 9-game losing streak now third longest in school history. That said, all but one of its remaining games are among teams in the bottom half of the conference including two with St. John's, two with Villanova, and one with DePaul. Someone is going to get a Quad 4 loss hung on their schedule.
Lots going on with The Johnnies. Good news is they are receiving extensive coverage in The Post
https://nypost.com/2024/02/14/sports/lineup-shakeup-doesnt-provide-spark-st-johns-hoped/
https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/sports/st-johns-letdown-vs-providence-may-end-tournament-hopes/
https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/sports/rick-pitino-benches-joel-soriano-in-huge-st-johns-shakeup/
Enjoy Omaha media heralding a Tradition Triple Double for Baylor Scheierman.
https://www.ketv.com/article/creighton-basketball-baylor-scheierman-makes-history-again/46777985
Out of curiosity, does anybody have stats on Marquettes historical triple doubles? Seems like guys like TyKo, Dominic James, Diener would have ended up with one here or there when the stars align and they grab a few more long rebounds but my gut says there haven't been many (or any) since a notable one in 2003
Kolek just missed one at DePaul last year. Something like 25/9/10.
Tony Miller against Wisconsin and Wade's vs. Kentucky are the only two I can remember.
TK was a rebound shy of one at DePaul, as Titan said.
Are we forgetting the Scoop controversy from Oso's "Marquette Triple Double" from last year?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63795.msg1483915#msg1483915
Quote from: Carl on February 14, 2024, 02:41:47 PM
Out of curiosity, does anybody have stats on Marquettes historical triple doubles? Seems like guys like TyKo, Dominic James, Diener would have ended up with one here or there when the stars align and they grab a few more long rebounds but my gut says there haven't been many (or any) since a notable one in 2003
I believe that the guys on the Scrambled Eggs podcast mentioned this week that there has not been a triple double since Wade's in 2003.
Xavier is looking horrible tonight. 1 FG and 7 turnovers while falling behind 18-2 after 8 minutes.
I thought this would be the competitive BE game tonight.
Is anyone going to emerge from the mosh pit in the 4-9 spots in the conference standings or are they going to beat themselves up and leave the conference with just 3 NCAA bids?
Quote from: wisblue on February 14, 2024, 06:29:28 PM
Xavier is looking horrible tonight. 1 FG and 7 turnovers while falling behind 18-2 after 8 minutes.
I thought this would be the competitive BE game tonight.
Is anyone going to emerge from the mosh pit in the 4-9 spots in the conference standings or are they going to beat themselves up and leave the conference with just 3 NCAA bids?
33-13 now.
Should help seton hall stay in the Q1/Q2 for us
Solid halftime performance by The Hall
Turned on UConn at DePaul and it looks like there are 500 people at the game. Or maybe most of the fans left since DePaul is down by 24 with 4 minutes left in the first half.
CBS Sports Network announcers seem to be promoting a new practice facility to turn DePaul around. It's not the driver it once was.
Solid win for the huskies over the blue demons
The merciful thing would be to just let DePaul forfeit the rest of their games, shut their season down and file paperwork to move to DIII.
Only half joking - what's the point of playing these games given the injury risk.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 14, 2024, 07:07:28 PM
Solid halftime performance by The Hall
Goes a long way to helping them punch their ticket. We need a little separation if we want the BE to get 5 or 6 teams in.
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/dan-hurley-huskies-big-east-schedule-18668711.php
Would be helpful to MU cause if Nova had a large win over Mr. Cooley tonight.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 16, 2024, 06:58:55 PM
Would be helpful to MU cause if Nova had a large win over Mr. Cooley tonight.
Villanova 70, Georgetown 54. Last four home losses by an average of 24.7 points.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-why-marquette-deserves-to-be-the-fourth-no-1-seed-edging-arizona/amp/
Posh took his benching against MU to heart.
Kalkbrenner making 3s.
Of course Bizjack with 0 points for Butler today.
Creighton looking really good in the 2nd half combined with Bulter looking bad.
Going to be tough to grab a win in Omaha.
Creighton blowing out Butler.
The Big East is going to have trouble getting even 4 teams in the tournament if the middle teams only win home games against each other and games against DePaul and Georgetown the rest of the way.
Creighton is really tough when Schiermann goes off.
Excellent win for The Blue Jays on the road.
Kalkbrenner 3/6 from 3
Big conference game between SH and StJ today. One of those that seems to have a lot of implications for both sides.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2024, 01:20:02 PM
Big conference game between SH and StJ today. One of those that seems to have a lot of implications for both sides.
I hope SJ wins.
I'm not a fan of either program but I want to remove the possibility of MU falling behind them in the BET seeding.
St. John's is not so good playing with a big lead.
38-19 lead, now tied at 45.
Quote from: wisblue on February 18, 2024, 05:44:17 PM
St. John's is not so good playing with a big lead.
38-19 lead, now tied at 45.
4 points in the 2nd half with 8:13 left
Shaheen trying to punch a ticket despite the metrics arguing otherwise.
They might want to shoot better than 2/14 from 3 though...
Ricky trying to cap off an unsuccessful year 1 with the Johnnies.
Let's see how it ends
What a collapse by the Johnnie's. Wow.
Pitino looks unhappy.
They've scored 14pts in the 2H?????
Immediate dismissal???
:)
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2024, 06:04:13 PM
Pitino looks unhappy.
It's been such an ugly collapse he might have to consider stepping down.
Not good for his health.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2024, 06:06:31 PM
It's been such an ugly collapse he might have to consider stepping down.
Not good for his health.
I have no idea what to make of the BEast 4-8.
A lot of comments here suggesting that he's going to turn SJU around. But I don't know... He seems to have plenty of energy and is a good teacher of the game no doubt, but he's 71. And St. John's is still St. John's.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2024, 06:11:53 PM
A lot of comments here suggesting that he's going to turn SJU around. But I don't know... He seems to have plenty of energy and is a good teacher of the game no doubt, but he's 71. And St. John's is still St. John's.
He looks 10 years older. Perhaps he will step down.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2024, 06:15:09 PM
He looks 10 years older. Perhaps he will step down.
Meh, he is a pervert.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2024, 06:04:13 PM
Pitino looks unhappy.
Boy do I have a Tweet for you to read, Muggsy...some unbelievable quotes in here from him. What a jagoff.
https://twitter.com/mjdemarinis/status/1759383548685897777?t=w9W_sfhCjX1O0aoSktZWzQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2024, 08:36:10 PM
Boy do I have a Tweet for you to read, Muggsy...some unbelievable quotes in here from him. What a jagoff.
https://twitter.com/mjdemarinis/status/1759383548685897777?t=w9W_sfhCjX1O0aoSktZWzQ&s=19
For those that don't have Twitter...these are real quotes from Pitino after tonight's collapse.
Pitino: "After I spent the summer with them, I knew it was gonna be a difficult year. I knew it. I'm hoping we could finish over .500 for the season." #sjubb
Pitino: "I knew this summer that we were in trouble." #sjubb
Pitino: "Look: Joel's slow laterally, he's not fast on the court. Chris Ledlum is slow laterally, Sean Conway's slow laterally. Brady's physically weak, Drissa is slow laterally." #sjubb
Pitino: "It's not the job. You could be at Missouri and recruit slow players. Believe me, it's not St. John's. We had to put together a team at the last second. We will never, ever, do that again." #sjubb
Pitino: "Do we have shitty facilities? Yes, we do. But we're doing something about that." #sjubb
Pitino: "To be honest with you, Zach, I'm just getting ready for Georgetown, because Georgetown can definitely beat us." #sjubb
Rick Pitino: "This is the most unenjoyable experience of my lifetime." #sjubb
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2024, 08:40:30 PM
For those that don't have Twitter...these are real quotes from Pitino after tonight's collapse.
Pitino: "After I spent the summer with them, I knew it was gonna be a difficult year. I knew it. I'm hoping we could finish over .500 for the season." #sjubb
Pitino: "I knew this summer that we were in trouble." #sjubb
Pitino: "Look: Joel's slow laterally, he's not fast on the court. Chris Ledlum is slow laterally, Sean Conway's slow laterally. Brady's physically weak, Drissa is slow laterally." #sjubb
Pitino: "It's not the job. You could be at Missouri and recruit slow players. Believe me, it's not St. John's. We had to put together a team at the last second. We will never, ever, do that again." #sjubb
Pitino: "Do we have crapty facilities? Yes, we do. But we're doing something about that." #sjubb
Pitino: "To be honest with you, Zach, I'm just getting ready for Georgetown, because Georgetown can definitely beat us." #sjubb
Rick Pitino: "This is the most unenjoyable experience of my lifetime." #sjubb
If I was the AD I'd dismiss him before 10 pm EST.
https://x.com/hurleysarmy/status/1759385771214041400?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2024, 06:15:09 PM
He looks 10 years older. Perhaps he will step down.
No chance.
Solid win for The Hall
Johnnies having some growing pains.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2024, 09:13:24 PM
Solid win for The Hall
Johnnies having some growing pains.
Growing pains? A lot of that roster is on their last year of eligibility. They'll likely be hitting the portal hard again, but I don't think Rick did himself any favors attracting talent tonight.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2024, 08:40:30 PM
For those that don't have Twitter...these are real quotes from Pitino after tonight's collapse.
Pitino: "After I spent the summer with them, I knew it was gonna be a difficult year. I knew it. I'm hoping we could finish over .500 for the season." #sjubb
Pitino: "I knew this summer that we were in trouble." #sjubb
Pitino: "Look: Joel's slow laterally, he's not fast on the court. Chris Ledlum is slow laterally, Sean Conway's slow laterally. Brady's physically weak, Drissa is slow laterally." #sjubb
Pitino: "It's not the job. You could be at Missouri and recruit slow players. Believe me, it's not St. John's. We had to put together a team at the last second. We will never, ever, do that again." #sjubb
Pitino: "Do we have crapty facilities? Yes, we do. But we're doing something about that." #sjubb
Pitino: "To be honest with you, Zach, I'm just getting ready for Georgetown, because Georgetown can definitely beat us." #sjubb
Rick Pitino: "This is the most unenjoyable experience of my lifetime." #sjubb
https://twitter.com/RealPitino/status/1658219187595034633?t=PEqh7XcSQ-2NoTfE7N3-KA&s=19
Pitino said the same thing about Soriano that Kolek did. Just different phrasing.
Old guys get cranky. The fallout from this should be entertaining.
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2024, 07:33:02 AM
Pitino said the same thing about Soriano that Kolek did. Just different phrasing.
Old guys get cranky. The fallout from this should be entertaining.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/18/sports/dont-overreact-to-rick-pitinos-first-year-failure-at-st-johns/amp/
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/huskies-unanimous-ap-poll-18676161.php
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2024, 06:15:09 PM
He looks 10 years older. Perhaps he will step down.
Down 8 with 40 seconds left at Houston tonight, T.J. Otzelberger still had Iowa State pressing and fouling. TJO didn't quit the way Pitino did against Marquette.
Judging by what happened at the end of the MU game and the comments after the Seton Hall game, Pitino apparently would rather fight with his players than fight to win games. It'll be interesting to see how the next season or two there goes.
I told a friend before the season started that SJU hiring Pitino felt like the White Sox hiring La Russa. Havent seen anything to dissuade me yet
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 19, 2024, 11:26:46 PM
I told a friend before the season started that SJU hiring Pitino felt like the White Sox hiring La Russa. Havent seen anything to dissuade me yet
Ha! Im a White Sox fan. That may turn out to be a great comparison.
Pitino didn't have time to put a team together and ended up with a number of selfish players that can't come together...
Quote from: avid1010 on February 20, 2024, 05:33:34 AM
Pitino didn't have time to put a team together and ended up with a number of selfish players that can't come together...
Maybe he shouldn't have ran off some of his former players.
I'd bet on SJU a consistent top 25 team within the next 2 years.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2024, 10:23:03 AM
I'd bet on SJU a consistent top 25 team within the next 2 years.
Well, I wouldn't make that bet. But I wouldn't bet against it.
Looking forward to seeing if Pitino paints a masterpiece there ... or if he quits in a huff. Either way, it's a great story.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are a consistent top 25 team, but if I had to bet on it, I would say "no."
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2024, 10:23:03 AM
I'd bet on SJU a consistent top 25 team within the next 2 years.
I'd probably be willing to take that bet, but only if we do not count pre-season and the first several weeks of the season where voters will be ranking them based upon Pitino's reputation. I'd be surprised if they are "consistently" ranked after January 15 in the next two years.
I will take that bet. They will not be a
" consistent " Top 25 team. No way.
When I see or hear "consistent top 25 team," I'm think that means for multiple years.
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2024, 11:02:10 AM
Well, I wouldn't make that bet. But I wouldn't bet against it.
Looking forward to seeing if Pitino paints a masterpiece there ... or if he quits in a huff. Either way, it's a great story.
There are two things that are certainties with Coach Rick
1- he's a brilliant basketball mind, a hall of fame coach
2- his patience and "trust in the process" so to speak aren't what they need to be at this point in his life.
He also says what he wants when he wants, and takes a my way or the highway approach.
It'll be a roller coaster no matter what, but the outbursts we've seen with this seasons failed last month lead me to believe he will probably step away and ride off into the sunset sooner rather than later.
Wouldn't be in the least surprised if his take to that was "yea right" and he waltzed to another FF with the Johnnies though.
The LaRussa comp was a decent one- and this won't be a popular take but Coach Tony had the Sox on a decent path despite some of his limitations.
Most Sox fans won't agree, but look at where they are at now in comparison.
Everyone turned on Tony from day 1, and it was always destined to fail.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2024, 10:23:03 AM
I'd bet on SJU a consistent top 25 team within the next 2 years.
Why?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 20, 2024, 12:45:08 PM
There are two things that are certainties with Coach Rick
1- he's a brilliant basketball mind, a hall of fame coach
2- his patience and "trust in the process" so to speak aren't what they need to be at this point in his life.
He also says what he wants when he wants, and takes a my way or the highway approach.
It'll be a roller coaster no matter what, but the outbursts we've seen with this seasons failed last month lead me to believe he will probably step away and ride off into the sunset sooner rather than later.
Wouldn't be in the least surprised if his take to that was "yea right" and he waltzed to another FF with the Johnnies though.
The LaRussa comp was a decent one- and this won't be a popular take but Coach Tony had the Sox on a decent path despite some of his limitations.
Most Sox fans won't agree, but look at where they are at now in comparison.
Everyone turned on Tony from day 1, and it was always destined to fail.
Plus he is a pervert
Probably not the first time Rick has shifted into gaslighting mode.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39560839/rick-pitino-stands-criticism-st-john-players-says-was-not-ripping-anybody
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 20, 2024, 01:45:36 PM
Why?
Because nothing in Rick Pitino's coaching career suggests he'd be anything but great relative to the job he has.
Should be a fun game in Omaha tonite.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2024, 02:32:02 PM
Because nothing in Rick Pitino's coaching career suggests he'd be anything but great relative to the job he has.
Celtics and Knicks fans beg to differ.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 20, 2024, 03:28:11 PM
Celtics and Knicks fans beg to differ.
I also kinda wonder if being 71 years old matters a little bit more when it comes to building a program versus continuing with one you already built. I guess we will have to see what next year brings.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 20, 2024, 03:22:17 PM
Should be a fun game in Omaha tonite.
UConn only a 2.5-point favorite. If forced to bet, I'd sure give the points. Creighton's gonna hafta shoot lights out to stay in the game.
Creighton looking to make some noise tonight
https://twitter.com/HurrdatSports/status/1760009892797075556?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
In terms of the conference standings and the battle for seeds for the NCAA tournament, it would be better for MU if Creighton would lose tonight.
However, I would at least like to see Creighton give UConn enough of a game to make them look less invincible.
Maybe the ideal result would be a tough game with UConn pulling out a narrow win.
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2024, 04:44:24 PM
UConn only a 2.5-point favorite. If forced to bet, I'd sure give the points. Creighton's gonna hafta shoot lights out to stay in the game.
I'll take Creighton, and Baylor on the road.
Both games should be good watches
https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/sports/the-scathing-insults-rick-pitino-blasted-his-st-johns-players-with/
Solid first half for Nova at home versus The Bulldogs
Nova beats Butler. Dont think itll be enough to move them to Q1
Will probably jump Texas who also failed to jump up again.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2024, 07:33:22 PM
Nova beats Butler. Dont think itll be enough to move them to Q1
Will probably jump Texas who also failed to jump up again.
The BEast is a total guess as far as tournament teams after the top 3.
Solid win for Nova
Creighton shooting out of their ass right now
Creighton is starting to knock down the 3-Ball.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/20/sports/rick-pitino-takes-responsibility-for-st-johns-season-spiraling/amp/
UCONN looking beatable tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 20, 2024, 08:13:16 PM
Creighton is starting to knock down the 3-Ball.
Much like Saturday, the threes are there to be had. The Jays are cashing in on open looks. Marquette did the opposite. There's hope for the rematch on 3/6.
Well,
Uconn is in fact capable of getting rattled
They are just blindly throwing balls up to the rim now
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 20, 2024, 08:13:16 PM
Creighton is starting to knock down the 3-Ball.
Hopefully they keep it up. Will help MU's Cause if Blue Jays win.
Quote from: bradforster on February 20, 2024, 08:22:02 PM
Much like Saturday, the threes are there to be had. The Jays are cashing in on open looks. Marquette did the opposite. There's hope for the rematch on 3/6.
They're defending better than we did as well.
So what exactly is Clingan good at on a basketball court besides being immense?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 20, 2024, 08:23:28 PM
So what exactly is Clingan good at on a basketball court besides being immense?
He played well against us.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 20, 2024, 08:23:28 PM
So what exactly is Clingan good at on a basketball court besides being immense?
He's a very good player. Don't be silly now. The guy is a projected lottery pick because he's skilled.
22-6 run for the Jays. Wow.
FS1 just put up a graphic during the Creighton/UConn game that UConn has lost 20 straight road games against ranked opponents
Uconn was getting any shot they wanted for the first 10 minutes.
They have stopped even trying to go to Karaban and are completely rattled due to Creighton going super nova.
Tried to chase points
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2024, 08:31:52 PM
Uconn was getting any shot they wanted for the first 10 minutes.
They have stopped even trying to go to Karaban and are completely rattled due to Creighton going super nova.
Tried to chase points
Sounds like another team that tried to do the same last Saturday. Creighton gave up 99 points on this floor to Butler. That's not happening again. The Jays are so well coached.
Quote from: bradforster on February 20, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
He's a very good player. Don't be silly now. The guy is a projected lottery pick because he's skilled.
maybe it's how they use him. Does he have a post game? All he does is set screen after screen and hang around the 3 point line with the occasional roll to the basket.
McDermott, once the season ends, if Creighton pulls this off.
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Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2024, 08:22:28 PM
Hopefully they keep it up. Will help MU's Cause if Blue Jays win.
I think it's just the opposite.
A win over UConn will bring Creighton into the picture competing with MU for seed position.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 08:36:59 PM
I think it's just the opposite.
A win over UConn will bring Creighton into the picture competing with MU for seed position.
They would have to win out for starters. And probably beat us or UCONN in the BET.
UConn playing like dung, super undisciplined fouling everywhere.
Butler the next BE team to be in trouble after Nova and StJ as I predicted.
Problem is, they all seem to be following suit of "being in trouble"
I'd say that SH, with their 5 Q1s, 10 conference wins and Butler, Nova, DePaul left at home have to be sitting in the best shape despite the worst of the metrics. They have closed the gap on the metrics with the other bubble fodder.
After that Villanova might've gotten themselves back into it with 3 Q1s, the best metrics, and 3 "winnable" Q1s left (@Uconn a loss) @Providence, SH and v Creighton last 3 of the season.
I don't trust their coach to make it happen though.
-I'll call StJ done without an autobid, they are in shambles.
-X would need to sweep Marquette to get in the convo.
-Butler only has @SH left as a Q1 and their big road wins @MU+Creighton probably won't be enough.
-Providence has @X&MU, v Nova and UConn so they've still got a path with a solid finish.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say that Seton Hall gets the 4th BE bid and Providence forces their way into a play in game.
I think those two squads, although not the most talented "of the rest" and with currently the worst metrics of the rest, are the two toughest squads in that group and have played the best.
Villanova has it there for the taking but from what I've seen I don't think they will take it.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2024, 08:22:28 PM
Hopefully they keep it up. Will help MU's Cause if Blue Jays win.
I don't know. At this stage of the season and UCONN having a 3 game lead over MU in the loss column, I'd almost rather concede the BE regular season to UCONN, even if we beat them in Milwaukee. Have them tag Creighton with another loss tonight so that MU has a better chance of locking up the #2 seed for the BET. Wouldn't have to play UCONN until championship game of BET.
Go Huskies. Beat Jays.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on February 20, 2024, 08:48:49 PM
I don't know. At this stage of the season and UCONN having a 3 game lead over MU in the loss column, I'd almost rather concede the BE regular season to UCONN, even if we beat them in Milwaukee. Have them tag Creighton with another loss tonight so that MU has a better chance of locking up the #2 seed for the BET. Wouldn't have to play UCONN until championship game of BET.
Go Huskies. Beat Jays.
I'm fine with either the 2nd or 3rd seed in the BET. Creighton is making their shots tonite which we did not do on Saturday.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 20, 2024, 08:35:54 PM
maybe it's how they use him. Does he have a post game? All he does is set screen after screen and hang around the 3 point line with the occasional roll to the basket.
He's playing with foul trouble. We need the same from him on March 6th. Why is he a solid NBA prospect? He can score and rebound. His defensive presence altered many MU shots on Saturday. He's a guy who can shoot with both hands and pass the ball well. He is sneaky good from the outside. He's also just a sophomore. I'd love to have him on our team. There's a ton of upside here.
10 threes for Creighton, 1 for UCONN.
Scorching hot
Creighton might roll Marquette by 50.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 20, 2024, 08:55:11 PM
Creighton might roll Marquette by 50.
Everyone needs to calm down about the debacle on Saturday.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 20, 2024, 08:56:23 PM
Everyone needs to calm down about the debacle on Saturday.
Creighton's making their shots which is keeping UConn from their transition offense. We did not do that.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 20, 2024, 08:55:11 PM
Creighton might roll Marquette by 50.
They'll make a lot of teams look bad shooting like this. But they don't do it very often.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 20, 2024, 08:55:11 PM
Creighton might roll Marquette by 50.
Creighton is a better shooting team than Marquette.
They are also a much "softer" and less physical team than UConn, they hate fouling, and that plays into Marquettes hands.
It's partly because Dougy plays no bench.
They are a much better matchup for Marquette than UConn is.
Won't be an easy game, but Marquette won't get blown out
I know we should be cheering for UConn, but I'm cheering for Creighton
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 20, 2024, 08:39:42 PM
They would have to win out for starters. And probably beat us or UCONN in the BET.
With their convincing win at Butler and this game Creighton has significantly improved their position in the last few days.
With only 4 games left winning out for them is not that tall an order.
They might have a shot at getting two wins over MU so they are definitely in a position where they could pass MU on the seed list.
MU really needs to win these 3 upcoming home games to maintain their position.
Maybe Creighton will have a letdown after this and have a clunker at St. John's.
Give Creighton credit for taking Spencer and Karaban out of the game, great D, Castle looked like a freshman tonight.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 09:34:32 PM
With their convincing win at Butler and this game Creighton has significantly improved their position in the last few days.
With only 4 games left winning out for them is not that tall an order.
They might have a shot at getting two wins over MU so they are definitely in a position where they could pass MU on the seed list.
MU really needs to win these 3 upcoming home games to maintain their position.
Maybe Creighton will have a letdown after this and have a clunker at St. John's.
It's body of work Blue, not two games.
Excellent win for Blue Jays. Very helpful to MU's cause.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 09:34:32 PM
With their convincing win at Butler and this game Creighton has significantly improved their position in the last few days.
With only 4 games left winning out for them is not that tall an order.
They might have a shot at getting two wins over MU so they are definitely in a position where they could pass MU on the seed list.
MU really needs to win these 3 upcoming home games to maintain their position.
Maybe Creighton will have a letdown after this and have a clunker at St. John's.
Creighton wasn't even in the top 16 of the reveal. They're probably a 4 seed after beating UConn. But they had a a lot of ground to make up on MU.
They've been playing better of late and were terrific tonight.
But I still don't trust em.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2024, 09:46:51 PM
Excellent win for Blue Jays. Very helpful to MU's cause.
Explain yourself.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2024, 09:46:51 PM
Excellent win for Blue Jays. Very helpful to MU's cause.
Not sure if this is good for MU (could argue either way), but definitely good for the Big East to have Creighton climb back near the top 10. In that sense, good for the league, ultimately good for MU.
Shaka on SVP sports center tonight?
Shaka going to be on SportsCenter.
So this makes UConn 1-21 on the road against Top 25?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PM
So this makes UConn 1-21 on the road against Top 25?
Over what time period?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 20, 2024, 09:43:57 PM
It's body of work Blue, not two games.
I understand that, but MU's body of work is not that much better than Creighton's right now and CU has more opportunities to close that gap. Adding another 1A win by beating MU would be a big step in that direction.
MU will not have another opportunity for a Quad 1 win until they play at Creighton.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 10:11:03 PM
I understand that, but MU's body of work is not that much better than Creighton's right now and CU has more opportunities to close that gap. Adding another 1A win by beating MU would be a big step in that direction.
MU will not have another opportunity for a Quad 1 win until they play at Creighton.
We still have 3/6 remaining games as Q1
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2024, 04:44:24 PM
UConn only a 2.5-point favorite. If forced to bet, I'd sure give the points.
And this is I hardly ever bet on sports.
UConn got outscored by 33 points from the 3-point line; very difficult for any team - even the best team - to overcome that.
I wanted UConn to win because I want us to stay ahead of Creighton in the standings. But UConn being proven to be mortal ... I can live with that.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 10:11:03 PM
I understand that, but MU's body of work is not that much better than Creighton's right now and CU has more opportunities to close that gap. Adding another 1A win by beating MU would be a big step in that direction.
MU will not have another opportunity for a Quad 1 win until they play at Creighton.
Which is all of like 10 days away.
MU was 7 overall in the bracket reveal, which most likely didn't even include our Q1 road win over Butler. Creighton wasn't in the top 16. There's a big gap between the 2.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 20, 2024, 09:47:29 PM
Creighton wasn't even in the top 16 of the reveal. They're probably a 4 seed after beating UConn. But they had a a lot of ground to make up on MU.
All I said is that they have moved into the picture to challenge MU for seed position. They are already ahead of MU in NET and KenPom and have picked up two Quad 1 wins in 4 days while MU took a metric damaging pounding.
They had a lot of ground to make up and they made up a significant amount with the results of the last few days. They could make up a lot more by beating MU in Omaha and again in the BET where there is a pretty good chance they could meet in the semifinals.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 10:27:11 PM
All I said is that they have moved into the picture to challenge MU for seed position. They are already ahead of MU in NET and KenPom and have picked up two Quad 1 wins in 4 days while MU took a metric damaging pounding.
They had a lot of ground to make up and they made up a significant amount with the results of the last few days. They could make up a lot more by beating MU in Omaha and again in the BET where there is a pretty good chance they could meet in the semifinals.
You're not wrong. Of course, in the scenario you present, we also have a chance to pick up two Q1 wins over Creighton.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 10:11:03 PM
I understand that, but MU's body of work is not that much better than Creighton's right now and CU has more opportunities to close that gap. Adding another 1A win by beating MU would be a big step in that direction.
MU will not have another opportunity for a Quad 1 win until they play at Creighton.
Creighton has 4 games left 3 are quad 1.
MU has 6 games left 3 are Quad 1 and 2 are Quad 2. So yeah, MU won't have another quad 1 until Creighton and then they have 2 more.
I didn't have Hurley telling a fan "I will knock you out" on my 2024 Bingo card: https://twitter.com/CreighTakes/status/1760180372925554709?t=n6Z5MXEBoREV9I-TilDt-g&s=19
Quote from: MUbiz on February 21, 2024, 12:12:46 AM
I didn't have Hurley telling a fan "I will knock you out" on my 2024 Bingo card: https://twitter.com/CreighTakes/status/1760180372925554709?t=n6Z5MXEBoREV9I-TilDt-g&s=19
Love it.
Best part about the BE couching crew is that
1- it's elite
2- you don't have to worry about controversy if you're shaka
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PM
So this makes UConn 1-21 on the road against Top 25?
This has to go back several years and would cover some pretty bad UConn teams.
A team isn't likely to play that many ranked teams on the road in a given season unless its conference has several ranked teams.
Last night's game was UConn's second road game against a ranked team (the other was at Kansas) and they had 4 last year, all in conference.
Purdue has had 1 road game against a ranked team this year (Wisconsin) and had 2 last year.
The relevance of a stat like that for games this year is pretty low.
It goes back 10 years. The last ranked team that UConn beat on the road was Memphis in 2014. 21 straight losses.
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2024, 10:32:35 PM
You're not wrong. Of course, in the scenario you present, we also have a chance to pick up two Q1 wins over Creighton.
Right, but for a team that's chasing another, head to head games against the team they're chasing presents an opportunity.
The bottom line is that a convincing win over UConn provides Creighton with a big boost, both objectively and to the extent any Committee members resort to an eye test.
Maybe MU can match that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2024, 05:41:12 AM
It goes back 10 years. The last ranked team that UConn beat on the road was Memphis in 2014. 21 straight losses.
I hope we aren't their slump buster in a couple weeks!
Quote from: DoctorV on February 21, 2024, 12:08:59 AM
What did he say
SVP just gave him soft ball questions about MU, Kolek, the UConn loss, how good the Big East is, etc. Good pub on the other network. People were tuned in after the Baylor loss on the road (go figure) to a ranked BYU team.
Quote from: wisblue on February 21, 2024, 05:57:17 AM
Right, but for a team that's chasing another, head to head games against the team they're chasing presents an opportunity.
The bottom line is that a convincing win over UConn provides Creighton with a big boost, both objectively and to the extent any Committee members resort to an eye test.
Maybe MU can match that.
Agree with all of that. It's a great opportunity for Marquette, too!
Good line in The Athletic's Pulse email newsletter:
Rick Pitino says he totally wasn't ripping anyone when he ripped everyone. OK, man.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on February 21, 2024, 05:57:50 AM
I hope we aren't their slump buster in a couple weeks!
If we are their slump buster in a couple weeks, then we'll just have to beat them on a Monday in April.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2024, 09:46:51 PM
Excellent win for Blue Jays. Very helpful to MU's cause.
Still waiting to hear your rationale for this post Herman.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 21, 2024, 11:41:40 AM
Still waiting to hear your rationale for this post Herman.
Dead people don't have rationale.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 21, 2024, 06:00:02 AM
SVP just gave him soft ball questions about MU, Kolek, the UConn loss, how good the Big East is, etc. Good pub on the other network. People were tuned in after the Baylor loss on the road (go figure) to a ranked BYU team.
This is an accurate summary. Shaka replied "Absolutely" to every SVP question. Hit all the usual Shaka talking points (culture, violence) but minimal discussion. Seemed very scripted. Shaka came off kind of bland, to tell the truth. Wasn't worth staying up the additional 30 minutes to see it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 21, 2024, 11:41:40 AM
Still waiting to hear your rationale for this post Herman.
1. Enhances The Stature and Quality of MU's previous win over The Blue Jays. Blue Jays have a strong NET Ranking ;This Excellent Win confirms they are actually a formidable Squad worthy of a high seed.
2. Enhances The Stature and Quality of Other Teams in The Big East who previously beat The Blue Jays. More Teams from Big East that Make Tournament =More money long term for MU=More Justification for high MU Seed
3. Preserves MU's ability to still Tie or Win The Big East( Long Shot)
4. Demonstrates that MU loss to U Conn was a garden variety road loss to a top ranked team, versus an Empire Has No Clothes scenario. Helps with our seeding and maintaining our Poll Ranking.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 21, 2024, 01:22:39 PM
1. Enhances The Stature and Quality of MU's previous win over The Blue Jays. Blue Jays have a strong NET Ranking ;This Excellent Win confirms they are actually a formidable Squad worthy of a high seed.
2. Enhances The Stature and Quality of Other Teams in The Big East who previously beat The Blue Jays. More Teams from Big East that Make Tournament =More money long term for MU=More Justification for high MU Seed
3. Preserves MU's ability to still Tie or Win The Big East( Long Shot)
4. Demonstrates that MU loss to U Conn was a garden variety road loss to a top ranked team, versus an Empire Has No Clothes scenario. Helps with our seeding and maintaining our Poll Ranking.
Spot on with #4 - Creighton made 14 threes and shot 55% from the field last nite, while we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last Saturday. Make some threes and we're fine.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 21, 2024, 01:22:39 PM
1. Enhances The Stature and Quality of MU's previous win over The Blue Jays. Blue Jays have a strong NET Ranking ;This Excellent Win confirms they are actually a formidable Squad worthy of a high seed.
2. Enhances The Stature and Quality of Other Teams in The Big East who previously beat The Blue Jays. More Teams from Big East that Make Tournament =More money long term for MU=More Justification for high MU Seed
3. Preserves MU's ability to still Tie or Win The Big East( Long Shot)
4. Demonstrates that MU loss to U Conn was a garden variety road loss to a top ranked team, versus an Empire Has No Clothes scenario. Helps with our seeding and maintaining our Poll Ranking.
Thanks. Creighton's
home court win vs. our
road loss accounts for a LOT, but even still....the contrast between the 2 UCONN games is embarrassing for Marquette. Creighton is in a much better position to run the table than Marquette and leave us in 3rd place for BET seeding. Let's hope that they do not create any problems for us in the Big Dance seeding. Beat UCONN in Milwaukee and we will still be in great shape, even if our trip to Omaha doesn't play out the way we hope it will,
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 21, 2024, 02:32:33 PM
Spot on with #4 - Creighton made 14 threes and shot 55% from the field last nite, while we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last Saturday. Make some threes and we're fine.
Creighton was also taking and making mid-range shots <ducks>.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2024, 03:23:55 PM
Creighton was also taking and making mid-range shots <ducks>.
No need to duck. I couldn't help but notice that, too, and when Scheierman hit his down the stretch I actually chuckled a bit. Alexander, especially, is quite good at them - he hit a few against us. It would appear to be a difference in philosophy between Shaka/Nevada and McCormick.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 21, 2024, 02:52:43 PM
Creighton is in a much better position to run the table than Marquette and leave us in 3rd place for BET seeding.
I'm pretty unconcerned about the difference between #2 and #3 in the BET. So we play Villanova or Xavier instead of Butler, big whoop. We'd draw Creighton in the semis either way.
But the difference between #3 and #4 IS a big deal. We want to avoid UConn until Saturday, because it means someone else might have a chance to knock them off first. And the 4/5 matchup is between two rested teams versus playing someone who played the previous night.
Right now we're only .5 games ahead of Seton Hall (10-4 vs 10-5)
Inside The Big East is in FS1 right now. The lead story: Pitino talking about how wonderful Soriano is. Taped a bit ago methinks.
In another segment, Oso is profiled.
College game day at UConn this week? Wtf is woman's still with espn
Quote from: Johnny B on February 21, 2024, 06:16:45 PM
College game day at UConn this week? Wtf is woman's still with espn
What?
Solid win for The Johnnies
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 21, 2024, 09:19:27 PM
Solid win for The Johnnies
Solid loss for Cooley & Company as well. Everyone comes out smelling like roses after that matchup.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 21, 2024, 09:19:27 PM
Solid win for The Johnnies
Yeah, against the 1-14 powerhouse Georgetown.
Looking forward to the NY Post articles detailing the win, press conferences and player reactions.
Quote from: nyg on February 21, 2024, 09:23:31 PM
Yeah, against the 1-14 powerhouse Georgetown.
Looking forward to the NY Post articles detailing the win, press conferences and player reactions.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/sports/st-johns-tops-georgetown-after-rick-pitino-criticized-team/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 21, 2024, 10:02:46 PM
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/sports/st-johns-tops-georgetown-after-rick-pitino-criticized-team/
Your a bad man Hermie.....
Is it possible Herman was an early implement of AI? Incredible stuff.
Nice win by Providence on the road at X.
Impressive first year for Kim English, especially after losing a 1st team All BE player.
In other news, over in the Nations Capital...
In March 2021, Georgetown won four straight Big East games in one week to win the Big East Tourney. Since then, they haven't won four TOTAL conference games. In its last 54 conference games, they are 3-51
Quote from: DoctorV on February 21, 2024, 10:20:56 PM
Nice win by Providence on the road at X.
Impressive first year for Kim English, especially after losing a 1st team All BE player.
In other news, over in the Nations Capital...
In March 2021, Georgetown won four straight Big East games in one week to win the Big East Tourney. Since then, they haven't won four TOTAL conference games. In its last 54 conference games, they are 3-51
Thats mind boggling. Depaul I believe is 1-28 in last 29 games. Yes, they have lost 27 straight BE games.
Good seats now available for Saturday's game at Wintrust.
I think Ed Cooley sees the outline of a problem much bigger than coaching at Georgetown. There comes a point, where like DePaul, you cannot dig out of the ditch. Georgetown has had one season in men's basketball above .500 since 2015.
After a while, the ditch becomes overwhelming and destroys the base. Attendance tonight: 4,839.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on February 21, 2024, 10:10:31 PM
Is it possible Herman was an early implement of AI? Incredible stuff.
No, he is just a spirit roaming the living.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 21, 2024, 10:36:02 PM
I think Ed Cooley sees the outline of a problem much bigger than coaching at Georgetown.
Cooley will be just fine and win there. Crowds will return. Past glory, I'm not so sure.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 21, 2024, 10:36:02 PM
Good seats now available for Saturday's game at Wintrust.
I think Ed Cooley sees the outline of a problem much bigger than coaching at Georgetown. There comes a point, where like DePaul, you cannot dig out of the ditch. Georgetown has had one season in men's basketball above .500 since 2015.
After a while, the ditch becomes overwhelming and destroys the base. Attendance tonight: 4,839.
That many? DePaul would kill for those kind of numbers.
I believe St.Johns is going to upset Creighton on Saturday. Creighton will be high off being #1 and will lose giving MU some breathing room.
Former Pitino player Tony Delk says players have to get used to a coach who is "brutally honest."
Yeah ... except when he flat-out lies by claiming he doesn't publicly criticize individual players.
Big NIL $ backing The Johnnies and Pitino
https://nypost.com/2024/02/22/sports/st-johns-receiving-nil-lifeline-from-billionaire-alum-mike-repole/amp/
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2024, 08:39:38 AM
Former Pitino player Tony Delk says players have to get used to a coach who is "brutally honest."
Yeah ... except when he flat-out lies by claiming he doesn't publicly criticize individual players.
Air is the only thing he might care about more than his players. Think about that for a second. I'm willing to suit up for anyone who considers me as important as air.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
No need to duck. I couldn't help but notice that, too, and when Scheierman hit his down the stretch I actually chuckled a bit. Alexander, especially, is quite good at them - he hit a few against us. It would appear to be a difference in philosophy between Shaka/Nevada and McCormick.
All games against the top defensive teams require it. They force you into it. It's good to have it in the arsenal. God forbid.
UConn, playing at home, favored by 12 over Nova. I don't bet, but that sure is tempting. Then again, I foolishly thought them being favored by only 2.5 at Creighton woulda been a good play.
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2024, 12:58:50 PM
UConn, playing at home, favored by 12 over Nova. I don't bet, but that sure is tempting. Then again, I foolishly thought them being favored by only 2.5 at Creighton woulda been a good play.
I think Villanova is gonna get the same treatment we gave DePaul coming off the UConn loss. It could get ugly.
UConn will crush Nova
G'Town at DePaul today
A chance for DePaul to get off the mat and salvage their season and make a run into the BET
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2024, 02:17:15 PM
G'Town at DePaul today
Game of the year.
Extremely movable force vs easily stoppable object.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2024, 02:17:15 PM
G'Town at DePaul today
A chance for DePaul to get off the mat and salvage their season and make a run into the BET
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2024, 03:46:57 PM
Game of the year.
Extremely movable force vs easily stoppable object.
Does it get any better than this? Deserves its own game thread.
G'Town with an insurmountable 9-3 lead
Any DePaul fans at this game that aren't friends or family of players/coaches, mad respect.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2024, 05:22:32 PM
Any DePaul fans at this game that aren't friends or family of players/coaches, mad respect.
Well put. 😂
Mr. Cooley with a solid halftime lead on the road versus The Blue Demons.
Can't hardly wait to know which team you call this an excellent win for.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 24, 2024, 06:04:45 PM
Mr. Cooley with a solid halftime lead on the road versus The Blue Demons.
Depaul rallying
Love seeing that fraud Cooley lose. The fact the roster he has this year is performing this poorly is comical.
66-65 DePaul......4 minutes left.......will we see a court storm if they win......and if so will anyone notice?
For some strange reason, I find myself drawn to the DePaul game.
What could be worse than DePaul Georgetown? Overtime between them.
DePaul has the ball down 1 with 8 seconds to go. If they pull this off, will there be a court storming?
Solid win for Georgetown
Poor kid misses a lay up
DePaul just lost in the most DePaul way possible. 😳
I actually turned it on for the last 2 minutes and that was the most DePaul way to lose. Wow.
Such a DePaul way to lose..........i was rooting for them.......Cooley stealing money at Georgetown..
I watched a few minutes of the second half. Georgetown was running the same offense we ran when I was in junior high.
The highlight, though, was when one of the announcers said "Georgetown has no answers for this DePaul offense". I almost choked on my sandwich.
Quote from: Jockey on February 24, 2024, 07:14:01 PM
The highlight, though, was when one of the announcers said "Georgetown has no answers for this DePaul offense". I almost choked on my sandwich.
Corrected: Georgetown has no answers for
any offense. They lost a 13 point lead at the half. Seven of DePaul's last nine attempts were layups or within five feet.
DePaul gets 38 points in the paint and 48 points overall in the second half. They got 39 points in a single game versus Seton Hall.
Nova hanging around. Totally controlling the tempo vs UCONN. They also have zero turns.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2024, 08:19:03 PM
Nova hanging around. Totally controlling the tempo vs UCONN. They also have zero turns.
Nova could make their season with a win
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2024, 08:19:03 PM
Nova hanging around. Totally controlling the tempo vs UCONN. They also have zero turns.
I really thought UConn was gonna take them behind the woodshed after the Creighton game - full marks to Nova.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 24, 2024, 08:22:12 PM
I really thought UConn was gonna take them behind the woodshed after the Creighton game - full marks to Nova.
Caraban has been awful ans Clingan hasn't done much either. Hard to believe Nova is within range when they're like 2-14 from distance. UCONN is surprisingly looking pretty ordinary in n a slow and methodical half-court game.
I'm sorry but Fox should not be conducting an interview with a former player in the middle of the game. I'll say it: Inexcusable.
U Conn games at Gampel are entertaining
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 24, 2024, 08:39:08 PM
U Conn games at Gampel are entertaining
Yeah. The one last Saturday was their most entertaining game this season.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 24, 2024, 08:50:35 PM
Yeah. The one last Saturday was their most entertaining game this season.
Last Saturday was at the XL Center but your point is well taken.
Getting sick of Gus Johnson campaigning for Newton to get a triple-double.
Butler is probably done. They'll fall to 9-12 in Q1-3, and even if they win out will be at 11-12. Teams rarely get at-large bids with sub .500 records in the top three quadrants. Win out, they likely get Georgetown or DePaul in their first MSG game, which wouldn't help at all. They would need to go 2-1 after Wednesday, which would mean a conference tourney final, but at that point you would probably need to cut nets because teams don't often play their way in during conference tourney week.
Glad to see UConn win. I want them to arrive n Milwaukee next week ranked #1. I hope a big picture of Cam Spencer is hanging in our locker room before the game.
Quote from: Superfan on February 24, 2024, 10:27:48 PM
Glad to see UConn win. I want them to arrive n Milwaukee next week ranked #1. I hope a big picture of Cam Spencer is hanging in our locker room before the game.
I think Houston will probably jump to #1 on Monday.
Agreed that is most likely. Doesn't change a thing
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2024, 10:41:57 PM
I think Houston will probably jump to #1 on Monday.
Whut? And who is Caraban?
Quote from: Superfan on February 24, 2024, 10:27:48 PM
Glad to see UConn win. I want them to arrive n Milwaukee next week ranked #1. I hope a big picture of Cam Spencer is hanging in our locker room before the game.
That guy is moving up oon the Deefendork Hate List
https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/sports/simeon-wilcher-happy-at-st-johns-despite-lack-of-playing-time/
Is Pitino performing magic tricks for half-time at MSG?
Trap game for Creighton
I am starting to think that winning conference road games is difficult.
Stevie on Alexander or on Scheierman?
This game is long from over but St.J has made one three and 2 FT's. They've made a ton of midrange shots in this one and Creighton doesn't defend that shot.
Terrible foul call there. St. J could be in trouble.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2024, 12:34:20 PM
Terrible foul call there. St. J could be in trouble.
St. John's clearly fouled Scheierman's elbow with his sternum.
Trying to figure out if it's Saturday Night Fever or Colonel Sanders day. Nice suit Slick Rick.
That's a foul or a travel.
Jenkins absolutely owning that 14 foot spot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2024, 12:42:55 PM
Jenkins absolutely owning that 14 foot spot.
He's a really good player - I still can't figure out why Pitino pulled him at the end of the game in Milwaukee.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 12:44:23 PM
He's a really good player - I still can't figure out why Pitino pulled him at the end of the game in Milwaukee.
He's been terrific today.
looks like StJ has this
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2024, 12:45:35 PM
He's been terrific today.
He was killing us in Milwaukee too.
Wow.
Blueprint for beating Creighton is eliminating Scheirmann. He's done nothing out there. Guard the guy, don't let him get open looks offf multiple screens.
Another ridiculous foul call.
Good lord, Creighton gets the benefit of the most BS foul calls of any team I know.
MU loses on the road to UConn, who loses on the road to Creighton, who loses on the road to SJU, all in 9 days. I love the Big East.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 12:56:56 PM
Good lord, Creighton gets the benefit of the most BS foul calls of any team I know.
They use their off arm a lot. Everyone does it a little bit but this is more blatant. Kind of in the Wahl and Crowl category.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2024, 01:00:18 PM
They use their off arm a lot. Everyone does it a little bit but this is more blatant. Kind of in the Wahl and Crowl category.
And they literally throw themselves into defenders going vertical and get the call.
Their choice. MU eschews contact on their drives and doesn't shoot free throws.
Huge win for StJ. If they win their last 3 (butler, DePaul, gtown), they should be in. Some of those MWC teams like Boise St and New Mexico just don't belong. Boise St 0-4 against high majors and New Mexico hasn't played a high major all season.
St. John's win helps the Marquette cause
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 25, 2024, 01:05:38 PM
St. John's win helps the Marquette cause
Absolutely - I want to finish either 2nd or 3rd and this helps with that.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 01:01:53 PM
And they literally throw themselves into defenders going vertical and get the call.
Excellent point.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 01:01:53 PM
And they literally throw themselves into defenders going vertical and get the call.
UConn does this as well. Refs should not reward shooters who intentionally land 5 feet forward on jump shots. It's not their space to land it is actually behind the defender when the jump shot starts. Basically a forward flop.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2024, 01:03:19 PM
Their choice. MU eschews contact on their drives and doesn't shoot free throws.
I disagree. The only MU guard who eschews contact on their drives is Kam. Kolek, Stevie, Chase all go pretty strong.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 25, 2024, 01:42:33 PM
I disagree. The only MU guard who eschews contact on their drives is Kam. Kolek, Stevie, Chase all go pretty strong.
1000% this.
Excellent win for The Johnnies . Much needed signature victory. Pitino got thr most out of his squad today.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/sports/st-johns-tops-creighton-to-keep-march-madness-hopes-alive/
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 25, 2024, 01:42:33 PM
I disagree. The only MU guard who eschews contact on their drives is Kam. Kolek, Stevie, Chase all go pretty strong.
Agree with the exception of the extended left hand high off the glass finish we see from Kolek 2-4 times a game
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 25, 2024, 01:42:33 PM
I disagree. The only MU guard who eschews contact on their drives is Kam. Kolek, Stevie, Chase all go pretty strong.
I think Tower was being sarcastic.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 12:44:23 PM
He's a really good player - I still can't figure out why Pitino pulled him at the end of the game in Milwaukee.
McDermott was still trying to win this game down 10 with under a minute to go.
Against us, Pitino was too distracted screaming at Jenkins to bother trying, down 8 with a minute to go. It was coaching malpractice. In this game, it was like the real Rick Pitino was back, white suit and all.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2024, 03:31:58 PM
McDermott was still trying to win this game down 10 with under a minute to go.
Against us, Pitino was too distracted screaming at Jenkins to bother trying, down 8 with a minute to go. It was coaching malpractice. In this game, it was like the real Rick Pitino was back, white suit and all.
Nope. The Marquette game was over. No idea why you keep bringing this back up to get it swatted back in your face.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 01:10:20 PM
Absolutely - I want to finish either 2nd or 3rd and this helps with that.
Second would be great, but we should still want first. It can be done.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 25, 2024, 03:40:06 PM
Nope. The Marquette game was over. No idea why you keep bringing this back up to get it swatted back in your face.
The game was likely over. It was still an unusual decision by Pitino. Look what just happened to IL against Penn St.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 25, 2024, 03:43:32 PM
Second would be great, but we should still want first. It can be done.
I agree, but if we can't win the title, I would want UConn in the final of the BET.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/sports/rick-pitinos-white-suit-provides-st-johns-spark-in-creighton-upset/
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2024, 04:09:49 PM
The game was likely over. It was still an unusual decision by Pitino. Look what just happened to IL against Penn St.
Meh. Keep yer stinkin' facts to yerself!
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 25, 2024, 12:56:56 PM
Good lord, Creighton gets the benefit of the most BS foul calls of any team I know.
You must not know many teams. Creighton ranks 351st/362 in FTR (ability to draw fouls)
They do benefit from fouls not being called on them (1st in FTR allowed)
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 26, 2024, 12:19:46 AM
You must not know many teams. Creighton ranks 351st/362 in FTR (ability to draw fouls)
They do benefit from fouls not being called on them (1st in FTR allowed)
Creighton's defense avoids contact more than Kam Jones while driving.
Miller, taking a page from the Pitino playbook, was quoted yesterday as saying his players weren't ready to play in Milwaukee and there are some who do not deserve to play anymore.
I have to believe that is why he put a walk-on in very early. Frustrated with effort and sending a message.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2024, 12:05:20 PM
Miller, taking a page from the Pitino playbook, was quoted yesterday as saying his players weren't ready to play in Milwaukee and there are some who do not deserve to play anymore.
I have to believe that is why he put a walk-on in very early. Frustrated with effort and sending a message.
He also only played their usual starting PF a total of 4 minutes, same as the walk on. Didn't seem to be hurt so I assume he may have been who Miller was referring to
Sean Miller and Shaka making the case for Stewie to win BE defensive player of the year (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/02/27/marquettes-stevie-mitchell-is-one-of-the-big-east-best-defenders/72751268007/)
That block by Stevie - when he went up with his left hand but actually got the basketball when he went back up with his right - was insane. He really is a defensive stud.
We're fortunate to have 3 great defenders in Stevie, Oso and Ross. Several others are no slouches, either. Kolek's D is underrated, and I've been quite impressed with Gold's work on that end in recent games.
Nova with an excellent first half versus Mr Cooley
Georgetown is a bad bad team.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 27, 2024, 06:33:57 PM
Georgetown is a bad bad team.
Bigger problems than that.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 07:35:17 PM
Bigger problems than that.
You have a good recruiting class.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 27, 2024, 07:45:58 PM
You have a good recruiting class.
Structural problems, ones that Cooley did not expect. Bad for Georgetown and indirectly bad for the conference.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 07:55:24 PM
Structural problems, ones that Cooley did not expect. Bad for Georgetown and indirectly bad for the conference.
Please explain "structural problems".
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 07:55:24 PM
Structural problems, ones that Cooley did not expect. Bad for Georgetown and indirectly bad for the conference.
Are you writing about the basketball program or University?
Excellent win for Nova.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 27, 2024, 08:05:51 PM
Are you writing about the basketball program or University?
Basketball program.
I don't see how Cooley can blame the administration for this team. He had a clean slate, plenty of NIL, and whoever he wanted to hire as staff.
I'm honestly hoping he hits with this next recruiting class. The Big East needs GTown to at least not be an embarrassment.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on February 27, 2024, 09:20:41 PM
I don't see how Cooley can blame the administration for this team. He had a clean slate, plenty of NIL, and whoever he wanted to hire as staff.
I'm honestly hoping he hits with this next recruiting class. The Big East needs GTown to at least not be an embarrassment.
Cooley is not blaming anyone--credit to him for steering clear of this. The NIL talk is a little premature (lots of "sources" from bloggers and not much else), but there's more institutional rot than he probably envisioned: the fan base is visibly shrinking (down by half in the past decade), local support isn't there including DC recruits; student interest, even less so. The Washington Post no longer covers games. Its last sellout was 11 years ago.
In its first 110 years of basketball, Georgetown had just one 20-loss season. With its next loss, Georgetown will have its third consecutive 20-loss season. It cannot continue to spend like a Top 25 program with the revenue base it does not have without reaching a point where such spending is unsustainable.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 10:22:18 PM
Cooley is not blaming anyone--credit to him for steering clear of this. The NIL talk is a little premature (lots of "sources" from bloggers and not much else), but there's more institutional rot than he probably envisioned: the fan base is visibly shrinking (down by half in the past decade), local support isn't there including DC recruits; student interest, even less so. The Washington Post no longer covers games. Its last sellout was 11 years ago.
In its first 110 years of basketball, Georgetown had just one 20-loss season. With its next loss, Georgetown will have its third consecutive 20-loss season. It cannot continue to spend like a Top 25 program with the revenue base it does not have without reaching a point where such spending is unsustainable.
If you had to go back in time would you still fire JT3?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 10:22:18 PM
Cooley is not blaming anyone--credit to him for steering clear of this. The NIL talk is a little premature (lots of "sources" from bloggers and not much else), but there's more institutional rot than he probably envisioned: the fan base is visibly shrinking (down by half in the past decade), local support isn't there including DC recruits; student interest, even less so. The Washington Post no longer covers games. Its last sellout was 11 years ago.
In its first 110 years of basketball, Georgetown had just one 20-loss season. With its next loss, Georgetown will have its third consecutive 20-loss season. It cannot continue to spend like a Top 25 program with the revenue base it does not have without reaching a point where such spending is unsustainable.
Oh, and by the way, it may not have a home arena in four more years, but that's another topic.
11years ago they were a perennial Top 25 team and finished regularly in the top quarter of the best basketball conference in the country. They had some bad beats in the NCAA tourney including FGCU.
They fired GTIII and have sucked since. The sellout has more to do with the fact it has been nearly a decade since they were good. Not that GTIII's last seasons were any good but they followed him up with a horrible coach. They had a remarkable run in the BET but that didn't change anything when they followed it up with a blowout loss. During Ewing's tenure he had very high recruiting classes which significantly underperformed.
If Cooley can turn it around, get some momentum, and recruit a good player or two they will sellout again. Local players and coaches will open up to the school. Whether he has it is another thing. They need someone like Crean when he took over for MU.
My wife and I went to the MU at GU game in January 2020. It wasn't sold out, but there were more than 12K fans. It was a close game that went back and forth, and the atmosphere was really good.
GU had McClung, Yurtseven, Pickett and a couple other decent players. They were 12-6 going into the game, with wins over ranked Creighton and Texas teams, and a narrow defeat to then-#1 Duke. A good (not great) MU team had to work to win 84-80.
That was kind of the beginning of the end for Georgetown. Starting with that loss, they went 3-11 the rest of the season, and except for the fluke BET run the following year they've sucked ever since.
SJU-Butler likely an elimination game for the loser (barring BET title). Will be interesting to see Slick Rick's reaction if they lose.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 27, 2024, 10:44:08 PM
If you had to go back in time would you still fire JT3?
I'm not DFW, but I think the problem wasn't firing JT3. It was staying loyal to the Thompson coaching family long after they should have. The Ewing hire was a horrendous mistake.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 28, 2024, 07:36:11 AM
I'm not DFW, but I think the problem wasn't firing JT3. It was staying loyal to the Thompson coaching family long after they should have. The Ewing hire was a horrendous mistake.
It really was. Ewing was very knowledgeable...a perfect fit for an NBA assistant where he could just share his knowledge and teach elite players. He was
not a good fit to run a college program and everything that comes with that. And they stuck with him way, way too long after it became apparent that it wasn't working -- and he didn't even seem to be overly interested in trying to pretend that he wanted it to work. For the last couple seasons, Ewing really did seem like a coach who just had a "I guess I'll keep collecting these checks as long as they keep paying me" attitude. Which eventually turned into a "I honestly can't believe they're still paying me" attitude.
Incredibly dumb hypothetical:
If Georgetown were to somehow win the Big East Tournament, what seed do you think they would get in the NCAA tournament?
Even dumber hypothetical:
If DePaul were to somehow follow up an 0-20 Big East season with a Big East Tournament, what seed do you think they would get in the NCAA tournament?
For reference, Georgetown finished the 2020-21 regular season 9-12 (7-9 BE) and got a 12-seed.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on February 27, 2024, 09:20:41 PM
I don't see how Cooley can blame the administration for this team. He had a clean slate, plenty of NIL, and whoever he wanted to hire as staff.
Source & specifics?
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 28, 2024, 08:46:26 AM
Source & specifics?
It was my understanding that Gtown did not have very good NIL this year - but it would be top third of conference next year. Same goes for St. John's. So am I too curious as well.
Next year $4M - $5M per a student reporter: https://twitter.com/JohnKurkjian_/status/1760726625384321092
Quote from: MUbiz on February 28, 2024, 09:24:22 AM
It was my understanding that Gtown did not have very good NIL this year - but it would be top third of conference next year. Same goes for St. John's. So am I too curious as well.
sChOoLs CaNt UsE NIl tooooo ReCrUiT
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2024, 09:27:27 AM
sChOoLs CaNt UsE NIl tooooo ReCrUiT
They can in Tennessee!
Quote from: MUbiz on February 28, 2024, 09:26:52 AM
Next year $4M - $5M per a student reporter: https://twitter.com/JohnKurkjian_/status/1760726625384321092
What's Marquette's budget?
Quote from: MUbiz on February 28, 2024, 09:26:52 AM
Next year $4M - $5M per a student reporter: https://twitter.com/JohnKurkjian_/status/1760726625384321092
He's not a reporter. He runs a blog. No serious numbers have come from any local journalist.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 28, 2024, 09:26:52 AM
Next year $4M - $5M per a student reporter: https://twitter.com/JohnKurkjian_/status/1760726625384321092
I think that reports like this illustrate one of the questions about how NIL will work in the long-term. Will donors be willing to continue feeding the NIL beast year after year after year? Thank goodness that someone stepped up for the one-time payment to buy out Wojo. But in order to be competitive on the NIL front, that kind of money will need to keep coming in. And, even if the report of $4M is accurate, what will it take the next year? The year after that? If they've managed to find donor(s) who are willing to fund that, will they be willing to continue contributing in future years to keep things moving? If so, will they change their mind if the team is 4-16 in conference the following year?
It's been a at least a couple of decades since I shared with my father my opinion that professional athlete salaries could not continue to increase. At the time he told me that he agreed...but that he'd already felt that way for a couple of decades yet they'd continued going up.
It is in that context that I say that I just don't believe the current NIL model is sustainable and that after the newness of the concept wears off people won't keep contributing the money to feed the beast year after year. I'm fully prepared for that prediction to be as inaccurate as my decades-old prediction on professional sports.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2024, 10:22:18 PM
Cooley is not blaming anyone--credit to him for steering clear of this. The NIL talk is a little premature (lots of "sources" from bloggers and not much else), but there's more institutional rot than he probably envisioned: the fan base is visibly shrinking (down by half in the past decade), local support isn't there including DC recruits; student interest, even less so. The Washington Post no longer covers games. Its last sellout was 11 years ago.
In its first 110 years of basketball, Georgetown had just one 20-loss season. With its next loss, Georgetown will have its third consecutive 20-loss season. It cannot continue to spend like a Top 25 program with the revenue base it does not have without reaching a point where such spending is unsustainable.
Mr. Cooley has the ability to bring in strong recruiting classes and transfers. My guess is we see that in Year 2. Next season the results should be much improved and I believe the Hoyas will be back to being an upper half team in The Big East with fan support and interest.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 28, 2024, 10:33:36 AM
Mr. Cooley has the ability to bring in strong recruiting classes and transfers. My guess is we see that in Year 2. Next season the results should be much improved and I believe the Hoyas will be back to being an upper half team in The Big East with fan support and interest.
Cooley and Company ::) (you abandoned Mr. Ed, Herman!) may be quite a bit better but the bar is so low that this would be nothing to brag about. Now about your "with fan support and interest"...where and when has a fan base magically reappeared when a team has risen from their long confinement to their conference's cellar?
OK, experts on such things ...
What results (in addition to Marquette crushing The Provi) do we want in tonight's Big East games?
Seton Hall at Creighton
St. John's at Butler
DePaul at Xavier
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
OK, experts on such things ...
What results (in addition to Marquette crushing The Provi) do we want in tonight's Big East games?
Seton Hall at Creighton
St. John's at Butler
DePaul at Xavier
Guessing X, Butler and Creighton.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
OK, experts on such things ...
What results (in addition to Marquette crushing The Provi) do we want in tonight's Big East games?
Seton Hall at Creighton
St. John's at Butler
DePaul at Xavier
Seton Hall (Creighton is locked as a Q1/Q1 game, Hall could fall to a Q2/Q3 with bad results, plus I'd rather have UConn and Creighton play each other in the BET semis)
Kind of a toss up but I'd go St. John's (could turn the road game from a Q1B to a Q1A win, Butler probably won't fall to Q2/Q3)
Xavier (Depaul will never not be a Q4/Q4 game. X is biggest threat to drop to a Q2/Q3 game with a NET of 64)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 28, 2024, 10:49:17 AM
Guessing X, Butler and Creighton.
You're far from the only one.
But I do not understand why people are not seeing we clearly want Hall over a Creighton tonight
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 11:00:56 AM
Seton Hall (Creighton is locked as a Q1/Q1 game, Hall could fall to a Q2/Q3 with bad results, plus I'd rather have UConn and Creighton play each other in the BET semis)
Kind of a toss up but I'd go St. John's (could turn the road game from a Q1B to a Q1A win, Butler probably won't fall to Q2/Q3)
Xavier (Depaul will never not be a Q4/Q4 game. X is biggest threat to drop to a Q2/Q3 game with a NET of 64)
Given Hall is closer to us in the standings could you explain the Creighton over hall reasoning more? Is it based on an expected win tonight?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2024, 11:03:55 AM
You're far from the only one.
But I do not understand why people are not seeing we clearly want Hall over a Creighton tonight
I'm not sure I'd agree with it, but Creighton staying Q1A would be the train of thought. Plus I guess if SH's metrics really took a hit between @CU and @UConn, they still have DePaul at home to correct it, and it would really take some blow outs to drop them 15 spots at this point of the year.
Other than DePaul who we want to be blown out every time they step on the court, they're all pretty minimal impact games at this point IMO.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 11:08:31 AM
I'm not sure I'd agree with it, but Creighton staying Q1A would be the train of thought. Plus I guess if SH's metrics really took a hit between @CU and @UConn, they still have DePaul at home to correct it, and it would really take some blow outs to drop them 15 spots at this point of the year.
Other than DePaul who we want to be blown out every time they step on the court, they're all pretty minimal impact games at this point IMO.
Hall winning keeps their metrics in great shape. Gets them a bid.
Makes it so Creighton basically cannot catch us in BE play
Makes it so that Creighton has a chance to face Uconn in the semis.
Makes it so that Creighton can't challenge our seed(unlikely anyways)
It's a no brainer for the Hall tonight.
A hot shooting Creighton can beat uconn, they already have. We want them as the 4.
I want Creighton to win tonight for one simple reason- if they lose, they will vent their frustrations on Marquette. As it is, our chances of a W in Omaha are, to use a British term, "a bit dicey".
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2024, 11:15:40 AM
Hall winning keeps their metrics in great shape. Gets them a bid. Metrics unlikely to significantly move this late, they get a bid with two more wins regardless and still have DeaPaul
Makes it so Creighton basically cannot catch us in BE play. We take care of business, doesn't matter.
Makes it so that Creighton has a chance to face Uconn in the semis. Excellent point I hadn't considered, haven't looked that far ahead tbh.
Makes it so that Creighton can't challenge our seed(unlikely anyways). As you said, unlikely.
It's a no brainer for the Hall tonight.
A hot shooting Creighton can beat uconn, they already have. We want them as the 4.
Mostly agree, just pointing out that I'm not sure it's this clear cut. Think at this point, regardless of who wins, it doesn't really move the needle much at all.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 28, 2024, 09:46:11 AM
What's Marquette's budget?
I do not know for sure, but Goodman mentioned a while back on a show that Nova was $2.5-3M this year and followed it up by UConn and MU are in the ball park of Nova. So an educated guess for MU would be $2-2.5M. It is pretty widely known than Nova, UConn and MU are the top 3 in the BE NIL wise.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 28, 2024, 11:04:25 AM
Given Hall is closer to us in the standings could you explain the Creighton over hall reasoning more? Is it based on an expected win tonight?
Most posters seem to be focusing on the potential impact of the Creighton game on MU's NCAA resume.
One reason to hope for Creighton to lose is that it would drop them to 7 losses and increase the possibility that they could end up 4th in the conference and in the bracket with UConn in the BET. That could be positive if you think Seton Hall would be a more favorable matchup for MU in a potential semifinal game. I'm not sure there is that much difference. IMHO MU would be a slight, but not overwhelming favorite over either on the neutral MSG court.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
OK, experts on such things ...
What results (in addition to Marquette crushing The Provi) do we want in tonight's Big East games?
Seton Hall at Creighton
St. John's at Butler
DePaul at Xavier
Blue Jays to win. We want Creighton to continue with top 15 NET ranking for our seeding purpose. High quality wins matter
Johnnies to Win. We want them in tournament for Benefit of Big East and keeps our wins at Quad 1 and 2
X to win big would help . We want our potential road win to be Quad 1
St. John's is the BE team that can realistically help us the most.
Four more spots and our win in NY becomes Q1A.
That alone would bring our Q1A winning percentage much closer to Arizona with at least three more Q1A games than they will have.
And it would give us an outside shot to end the season having played more Q1A's than anyone but Tennessee.
It does not matter as long as Marquette has no losses after Apr 8th.
Thanks all.
It's always fun to have a bit of a rooting interest, so I'll be going for Seton Hall, St. John's and X.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 28, 2024, 11:33:53 AM
It is pretty widely known than Nova, UConn and MU are the top 3 in the BE NIL wise.
Pretty widely known? Source & specifics?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 28, 2024, 11:04:25 AM
Given Hall is closer to us in the standings could you explain the Creighton over hall reasoning more? Is it based on an expected win tonight?
I don't care if we finished 2nd or 3rd in the BEast. I would like Creighton to finish in 4th if possible
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 02:49:32 PM
I don't care if we finished 2nd or 3rd in the BEast. I would like Creighton to finish in 4th if possible
Bingo. Avoid Creighton and UCONN till Saturday.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 02:49:32 PM
I don't care if we finished 2nd or 3rd in the BEast. I would like Creighton to finish in 4th if possible
Ah got it, I was working off the premise we were still hoping to finish as high as possible. Makes sense now.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
OK, experts on such things ...
What results (in addition to Marquette crushing The Provi) do we want in tonight's Big East games?
Seton Hall at Creighton
St. John's at Butler
DePaul at Xavier
Personal thoughts:
1. SH. Agree with others and I would like to avoid Creighton and UConn in the semis. Though, I've never once been upset when SH loses a game.
2. SJU. Like Pitino or not, him having a relevant NCAA team is good for the BE. He's a good ambassador for the league.
3. DePaul. I actually felt bad for those kids seeing how dejected they looked after the Gtown game. Would like to see them experience at least one win lol
Creighton's second performance against UCONN was certainly impressive, but a healthy Seton Hall looked better to me than the Creighton team we've seen for most of the BE season.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 28, 2024, 03:14:37 PM
Personal thoughts:
1. SH. Agree with others and I would like to avoid Creighton and UConn in the semis. Though, I've never once been upset when SH loses a game.
2. SJU. Like Pitino or not, him having a relevant NCAA team is good for the BE. He's a good ambassador for the league.
3. DePaul. I actually felt bad for those kids seeing how dejected they looked after the Gtown game. Would like to see them experience at least one win lol
No to DePaul
Unless your goal is to make our remaining schedule significantly worse
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 02:49:32 PM
I don't care if we finished 2nd or 3rd in the BEast. I would like Creighton to finish in 4th if possible
2nd is better cuz it's a 7pm game rather than a 9:30pm game.
I'm still undecided on if I'm going to the BET this year but either way, 7pm will be much better
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2024, 12:34:43 PM
It does not matter as long as Marquette has no losses after Apr 8th.
I mean...we definitely won't have any losses after April 8th. At least not until next season. I can say that with 100% certainty.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2024, 04:16:10 PM
I mean...we definitely won't have any losses after April 8th. At least not until next season. I can say that with 100% certainty.
Don't discount the possibility that the zombie apocalypse caused by the eclipse could delay the championship game by a few days.
I assume we want Creighton and St.John's?
I can't ever root for Seton Hall so Creighton for sure.
On a side note, Bediako for the Hall looks like the offspring of Sweetums and Animal from the Muppets.
Yeah Like I said, we wanted Hall. Wasnt gonna happen.
But yeah insane to rather play Creighton
And now the Hall metrics gonna take a curb stomping.
Butler gonna wind up falling to Q2 and Q3
Four big blowouts in the BE tonight.
Excellent win for Creighton.Looking forward to our battle with The Blue Jays
Yes, the "excellent win". What were Sam Hauser's stats tonight?
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 28, 2024, 09:46:32 PM
Excellent win for Creighton.Looking forward to our battle with The Blue Jays
Quote from: DoctorV on February 20, 2024, 08:42:40 PM
UConn playing like dung, super undisciplined fouling everywhere.
Butler the next BE team to be in trouble after Nova and StJ as I predicted.
Problem is, they all seem to be following suit of "being in trouble"
I'd say that SH, with their 5 Q1s, 10 conference wins and Butler, Nova, DePaul left at home have to be sitting in the best shape despite the worst of the metrics. They have closed the gap on the metrics with the other bubble fodder.
After that Villanova might've gotten themselves back into it with 3 Q1s, the best metrics, and 3 "winnable" Q1s left (@Uconn a loss) @Providence, SH and v Creighton last 3 of the season.
I don't trust their coach to make it happen though.
-I'll call StJ done without an autobid, they are in shambles.
-X would need to sweep Marquette to get in the convo.
-Butler only has @SH left as a Q1 and their big road wins @MU+Creighton probably won't be enough.
-Providence has @X&MU, v Nova and UConn so they've still got a path with a solid finish.
If I had to handicap right now I'd say that Seton Hall gets the 4th BE bid and Providence forces their way into a play in game.
I think those two squads, although not the most talented "of the rest" and with currently the worst metrics of the rest, are the two toughest squads in that group and have played the best.
Villanova has it there for the taking but from what I've seen I don't think they will take it.
Update...
Nailed it on Butler. They were the next to crash and burn after Villanova and StJ- who went from 5-8 seed territory to out in the span of a month.
Valiant effort by Coach Matta but that the end of the day it won't matta unless he wins the BET, if you catch my drift.
The thing about several teams crashing and burning is that the victors of those spoils rise from the ashes to find life again- so, Villanova and StJ back in play.
I stand by my claim that SH gets the 4th bid. I think even if they lose the next two and beat DePaul sitting at 12-8 in a round robin BE, with 5 Q1s will be enough. I know conference record no matta they say, but neither did conference and conference tourney titles, until the committee decided they did... (they always have).
Despite dung metrics SH will only sweat if they only beat DePaul and lose the rest of their games including BET first game, in which case I think they still get Dayton.
StJ becomes interesting because of recency bias in whooping that Butler arse on the road, along with the hoopla that is Pitino, but as Brew pointed out it's quite thin. 3-10 in Q1 with the wins at Nova and at Butler (possible non tourney teams) and versus Creighton. Hardly a tournament resume.
Brew- how does their metric and predictive average compare to past tourney inclusion? While you're at it, can you remind me what is used to find those averages and how I readily find them? I should know that but I seemingly always forget.
Hard for me to look being that crappy Q1 record for the Johnnies.
Villanova at Providence and then at SH in the next two is great, that'll clear things up. I still believe Providence, despite tonight, will make a push for that last spot that goes to Dayton from the BE. I'm eyeing that last home game against UConn as a great way to punch that ticket for them, that's a tough place to win at and they will have all the motivation in the world.
Also, a BET game of StJ versus Providence or Villanova would be a great elimination type of game. Unfair towards the StJ opponent via home field advantage but a nice way for Rick to pack his bags on the season and try again next year.
As a whole, BE still currently closer to 4 than 6 bids but I'm hoping for 5 with the last one in Dayton. I think SH and Providence have S16 chops this year if they get in, despite getting a nice lesson in getting owned tonight.
Unless someone loses to DePaul, the BE will have 5 in. 2 of SJU,Nova,PC,Butler,SH will be in. Gotta get to 68. But I agree it could pretty mich be any of those 5 (although Butler probably need BET finals at this point)
https://nypost.com/2024/02/28/sports/st-johns-bashes-butler-to-revive-ncaa-tournament-hopes/amp/
Beating Creighton in Omaha is going to be difficult.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2024, 09:23:05 PM
Yeah Like I said, we wanted Hall. Wasnt gonna happen.
But yeah insane to rather play Creighton
And now the Hall metrics gonna take a curb stomping.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2024, 09:27:58 PM
Butler gonna wind up falling to Q2 and Q3
So neither SH or BU really fell all that much. When there's already 27 data points, that 28 can't really move the needle all that much. Only way BU actually falls to Q2/Q3 is if they lose to DePaul, and if you lose to DePaul you kinda deserve it.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 29, 2024, 07:04:08 AM
So neither SH or BU really fell all that much. When there's already 27 data points, that 28 can't really move the needle all that much. Only way BU actually falls to Q2/Q3 is if they lose to DePaul, and if you lose to DePaul you kinda deserve it.
Butler fell 5 spots. That's a ton.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 07:09:58 AM
Butler fell 5 spots. That's a ton.
Not when all we need them to do is stay top 75. They would need to drop almost as much after each of their final two games, which I don't see happening.
Quote from: tower912 on February 29, 2024, 06:34:33 AM
Beating Creighton in Omaha is going to be difficult.
Beating
any Big East team not named DePaul or Georgetown on the road is difficult. But you are correct -- Creighton will be particularly difficult.
Road wins have been unusually hard to come by in all the major conferences this season.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 29, 2024, 07:13:00 AM
Not when all we need them to do is stay top 75. They would need to drop almost as much after each of their final two games, which I don't see happening.
8 more spots in 3 games. And that assumes other teams don't climb.
Nova is up like 8 or 9 spots from 2 days ago.
There's plenty of room to tank or rise. If Butler continues to show no pulse they can fall.
As for Hall, every spot matters for their overall metrics not necessarily their quad.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 07:44:08 AM
8 more spots in 3 games. And that assumes other teams don't climb.
Nova is up like 8 or 9 spots from 2 days ago.
There's plenty of room to tank or rise. If Butler continues to show no pulse they can fall.
As for Hall, every spot matters for their overall metrics not necessarily their quad.
Yes, but look at who they're playing. They have a bye this weekend and then close with an X team whose season is just as over as theirs. Even then, it would likely take another StJ type blow out in NY for them to drop out of the top 75. Possible sure, but I don't see it happening. There's nothing better for a losing streak than playing DePaul.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 29, 2024, 07:58:16 AM
Yes, but look at who they're playing. They have a bye this weekend and then close with an X team whose season is just as over as theirs. Even then, it would likely take another StJ type blow out in NY for them to drop out of the top 75. Possible sure, but I don't see it happening. There's nothing better for a losing streak than playing DePaul.
Yes if they do their job vs DePaul they should be ok.
But god forbid they only win by like 15. It opens it for two more blow outs.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 08:01:03 AM
Yes if they do their job vs DePaul they should be ok.
But god forbid they only win by like 15. It opens it for two more blow outs.
Teal?
I'm sure Mr. N will tell us, but I would only expect the line to be around 10. I don't remember our NET dropping that much when we only won by 13 in Chicago. Really, it would take a loss there for me to actually be worried about BU, there's just not enough time left IMO.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 29, 2024, 08:04:19 AM
Teal?
I'm sure Mr. N will tell us, but I would only expect the line to be around 10. I don't remember our NET dropping that much when we only won by 13 in Chicago. Really, it would take a loss there for me to actually be worried about BU, there's just not enough time left IMO.
X won by 34 and went up 2
Butler winning by 15ish is just going to hold serve.
Where again, if they continue to blow against teams with a pulse can see them drop 8 spots quite quickly
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 09:36:25 AM
X won by 34 and went up 2
Butler winning by 15ish is just going to hold serve.
Where again, if they continue to blow against teams with a pulse can see them drop 8 spots quite quickly
But all we need is them to hold serve, they don't need to climb anywhere to get to Q1/Q2, just stop the fall. When DePaul hosted Nova the line was 10.5. PC, 8.5. SH, 10.5. X, 13.5. If BU only wins by 10, their ranking will likely not change at all. Then, as long as they either win, or keep it close against X, their ranking will only marginally move. Then do it again (most likely against X) in NY. They could easily go 1-2 to close the year and still finish with an NET better than 75.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 29, 2024, 09:44:38 AM
But all we need is them to hold serve, they don't need to climb anywhere to get to Q1/Q2, just stop the fall. When DePaul hosted Nova the line was 10.5. PC, 8.5. SH, 10.5. X, 13.5. If BU only wins by 10, their ranking will likely not change at all. Then, as long as they either win, or keep it close against X, their ranking will only marginally move. Then do it again (most likely against X) in NY. They could easily go 1-2 to close the year and still finish with an NET better than 75.
Correct. And it's why they probably are fineS
But again, the issue is if they just hold service vs DePaul. With the way they are playing vs everyone else. Staying at 68ish has them toeing the line.
The danger is catching X when all 3 guards are great. Best thing they have going for them is it would have to likely be the same team X that crushes them twice. Rather than two diff teams.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 10:53:44 AM
Correct. And it's why they probably are fineS
But again, the issue is if they just hold service vs DePaul. With the way they are playing vs everyone else. Staying at 68ish has them toeing the line.
The danger is catching X when all 3 guards are great. Best thing they have going for them is it would have to likely be the same team X that crushes them twice. Rather than two diff teams.
How they are playing vs "everyone else" isn't quite accurate though, it's just the blowout. When they lost to us by 6 (the line was 3.5), their NET didn't move. When they lost @SH by 12 (the line was 5.5) their NET dropped by one. As long as they don't have a CU or StJ type blow out they'll be fine. Also, considering that X has one non DePaul win since Jan I think the chances that they blow BU out in Indy are slim. Again, it would take them losing to DePaul to actually be worried about them.
Analysis of Johnnies Tournament hopes
https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/sports/breaking-down-ways-st-johns-can-make-ncaa-tournament/
Nova has an opportunity for a quality win at The Friars today
Anyone else joining me in rooting for Nova over Providence today.
Quote from: wisblue on March 02, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
Anyone else joining me in rooting for Nova over Providence today.
Yes. After Wednesday PC has replaced Hall as the BE team I hate.
We finally agree on something. Feeling salty toward the Friars right now.
Oduro/Providence again allowed to throw elbows with impunity. And immunity.
Oduro is going to fk with the wrong guy one of these days. And it's not going to end well for him.
Fk Providence. Total punk ass program. 100% rooting for Nova.
Kyle Neptune huddles give me Wojo flashbacks.
Donny Marshall really needs to expand his schtick beyond turning every observation into an opportunity to remind us all where he played college basketball.
Donny Marshall is really brutal.
Quote from: wisblue on March 02, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
Anyone else joining me in rooting for Nova over Providence today.
Add one more scooper to your tally. PC and their fans are
so easy to root against. Glad that Shaka gave the bench some PT, but I have to admit that I wanted a bigger winning margin.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 02, 2024, 12:07:39 PM
Add one more scooper to your tally. PC and their fans are so easy to root against. Glad that Shaka gave the bench some PT, but I have to admit that I wanted a bigger winning margin.
It's the under 16 timeout and Providence still hasn't scored, which has left their fans standing since the start of the half - hilarious.
Providence getting run off their home court.
Oduro is a Thug
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 12:27:44 PM
Providence getting run off their home court.
Good. Notice English crying to the refs after Oduro throws another elbow.
Providence was really bad in this game. Could they be in for a late season bubble burst?
This could move Nova closer to a Q1 home win for us.
Excellent road win for Nova. Another Quad 1 foe their tournament resume
Solid win for Butler
Nova is making their case as the fourth best team in the BE. Their last two games are against Seton Hall and Creighton.
I'd like to see them win both to keep MU out of the 4 seed in the BET and set up a 4-5 game between Nova and SH.
Nova is making a claim to being the fourth best team in the BE.
Their last two games are against Seton Hall and Creighton. I'd like to see them win both to keep MU out of the 4 seed in the BET and set up a 4-5 game between them and SH.
How do they do tiebreakers? Would we be 4?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 02, 2024, 04:14:11 PM
How do they do tiebreakers? Would we be 4?
EXTREMELY unlikely we end up at 4.
First tiebreaker is head to head, we don't with both. Next is the record against the highest seeded team, which is UConn. They have both beaten UConn, so if we lose this week to them, we lose that tiebreaker.
As far as I am concerned, I want UConn to beat Seton Hall tomorrow, to lessen any chance of ending up 4th. They already have a share of the title anyway.
2 or 3 is basically the same thing.
I agree. Just want to stay out of four.
I meant to say, we split with both. So it would go to the next tiebreaker.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 04:19:40 PM
EXTREMELY unlikely we end up at 4.
It becomes less likely if Seton Hall loses tomorrow to UConn. It becomes impossible if Seton Hall also loses to Nova.
It could come down to MU needing a win at Xavier, and no road game not against DePaul or Georgetown is a gimme, especially if Kolek is still out.
If Seton Hall were to win tomorrow, the possibility of a three-way tie looms, as their remaining games are Villanova and DePaul, and Creighton's remaining game is Villanova. Hence I am pulling for UConn tomorrow.
Will be rooting hard for UConn tomorrow. Not that they'll need it. I expect a decisive victory for a far superior team playing at home.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on March 02, 2024, 05:23:29 PM
If Seton Hall were to win tomorrow, the possibility of a three-way tie looms, as their remaining games are Villanova and DePaul, and Creighton's remaining game is Villanova. Hence I am pulling for UConn tomorrow.
I'm pulling for UCONN too, but what's with the ''effin "hence"? Are you an English teacher or a snooty Brit? Huh?
Huh?
I watch British television 🤣.
I like the word.
Georgetown beating Xavier by 12 at halftime. That could be interesting.
Mr Cooley has his squad playing well
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 02, 2024, 07:59:07 PM
Mr Cooley has his squad playing well
Mr. Cooley is 0-17 against Big East teams not named Mr. DePaul. But yeah, he's doing a bang-up job.
Georgetown may end up playing walk ons, considering the foul situation.
Yep. Real well.
2-16. Again.
Herm - are you going to tell us this was an excellent win for Xavier?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 02, 2024, 07:59:07 PM
Mr Cooley has his squad playing well
Excellent comeback on the road by Xavier. Excellent character building by Cooley.
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2024, 09:10:20 PM
Excellent comeback on the road by Xavier. Excellent character building by Cooley.
Character building doesn't allow 73% from the field after halftime.
I admire and respect the history of your program. It has been a rough few years.
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2024, 09:14:52 PM
I admire and respect the history of your program. It has been a rough few years.
1907-2021: One losing season of 20 or more games.
2021-2024: Three losing seasons of 20 or more games.
Average attendance, 2011: 12,675
Average attendance, 2024: 6,826
Excellent comeback win by X.
Friars up next for Mr.Cooley
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 03, 2024, 08:33:59 AM
Friars up next for Mr.Cooley
I'm sure it will be another excellent triumph for Mr. Cooley, who is doing an excellent, excellent job.
Not quite as excellent as his total of 3 excellent NCAA tournament wins in his first 17 years as a D1 head coach, but excellent nonetheless.
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2024, 08:40:41 AM
I'm sure it will be another excellent triumph for Mr. Cooley, who is doing an excellent, excellent job.
Not quite as excellent as his total of 3 excellent NCAA tournament wins in his first 17 years as a D1 head coach, but excellent nonetheless.
Georgetown has three NCAA wins since 2007 and hasn't seen the the AP Top 25 in nine years. This ditch wasn't built by Cooley but by two men that will never coach college basketball again.
UConn rolling over Seton Hall as expected.
All MU needs now to avoid the 4 seed in the BET is a win in one of the next 2 or a Villanova win over Seton Hall or Creighton.
Providence, St. John's, and Villanova are all looming as possible first game opponents.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 03, 2024, 12:14:50 PM
Georgetown has three NCAA wins since 2007 and hasn't seen the the AP Top 25 in nine years. This ditch wasn't built by Cooley but by two men that will never coach college basketball again.
Yes, just enjoying another excellent post from the dearly departed 9-9-9.
Excellent win by UConn or excellent for SH to keep it under a 30 pt loss?
Maybe it's both - Herm?
Excellent win for The Huskies. Hurley was focused on pay back for the loss to The Hall earlier in the season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 03, 2024, 01:04:02 PM
Excellent win for The Huskies. Hurley was focused on pay back for the loss to The Hall earlier in the season.
UConn is just a very good team.
UConn is dismantling teams- outside of the game in Omaha- with Karaban being cold af from the outside
1-6
1-7
1-3
1-6 in his last 4.
This time around it was Castle, Clingan, and Newton carrying the load.
I've been down on Newton in the past but it seems like he's picking it up in the shooting department and stuffing the box score in every category.
They've just got so many different weapons to turn to.
I can still see them dipping out before the EE this year in a scenario where Karaban is cold and Newton is playing sloppy and turning it over, but I'm not as confident as before.
Hard to see Tristen not winning BEPOY at this point.
Providence wins at Georgetown.
Ed Cooley's first season at Providence, they went 15-17, 4-14 in the Big East and finished 126th in KenPom
His first season at Georgetown, he is 9-20 and 2-17 in the Big East and currently 193rd in KenPom.
Can't define what his tenure at GTown will be after one year, but concerns the fanbase might have, probably shouldn't be ignored
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2024, 08:09:29 PM
Providence wins at Georgetown.
Ed Cooley's first season at Providence, they went 15-17, 4-14 in the Big East and finished 126th in KenPom
His first season at Georgetown, he is 9-20 and 2-17 in the Big East and currently 193rd in KenPom.
Can't define what his tenure at GTown will be after one year, but concerns the fanbase might have, probably shouldn't be ignored
35 home losses in three seasons, 12 this season. Tickets are now mostly road fans. 15,000 empty seats a night and no relief in sight.
The ditch is deep. Sooner or later, it becomes too deep.
Nah, Herm is expecting a solid season from Cooley & Co next year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2024, 08:09:29 PM
Providence wins at Georgetown.
Ed Cooley's first season at Providence, they went 15-17, 4-14 in the Big East and finished 126th in KenPom
His first season at Georgetown, he is 9-20 and 2-17 in the Big East and currently 193rd in KenPom.
Can't define what his tenure at GTown will be after one year, but concerns the fanbase might have, probably shouldn't be ignored
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 05, 2024, 08:14:08 PM
25 home losses in three seasons, 12 this season. Tickets can be had for $6.00 and are now mostly road fans. 15,000 empty seats a night and no relief in sight.
The ditch is deep. Sooner or later, it becomes too deep.
There is a lot of pressure for them to show a lot of improvement next year.
Nice class coming in and I think Fielder and Brumbaugh are good young players but they need to win more next year and really show improvement, especially on defense. Has to be the worst defensive Hoyas team in decades
Announced attendance: 5,287 (25 percent capacity)
How many were from Providence?
Excellent road win for Friars over Mr Cooley. Tough season for The Hoyas, outlook is solid though. Have some recruits on the way and probably get some talent in the portal.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2024, 08:47:16 PM
Excellent road win for Friars over Mr Cooley. Tough season for The Hoyas, outlook is solid though. Have some recruits on the way and probably get some talent in the portal.
Looks like Georgetown will suck next year
Johnnies introducing Blue Demons to Darkness on the road
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2024, 08:52:39 PM
Johnnies introducing Blue Demons to Darkness on the road
DePaul may be the worst D-1 team I've ever seen Herman.
Should have watched UDM v UWM
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2024, 08:53:42 PM
DePaul may be the worst D-1 team I've ever seen Herman.
DePaul lost 13 of their last 14 BE games last year. Lone win was a one pointer over SH.
Probably 0-20 this year, making them 1-33 in past 34. Putrid to say the least, but Georgetown, a once powerhouse, to have fallen not far behind is a shame. Georgetown will be back, but DePaul very doubtful. No recruits are going there.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 03, 2024, 12:14:50 PM
Georgetown has three NCAA wins since 2007 and hasn't seen the the AP Top 25 in nine years. This ditch wasn't built by Cooley but by two men that will never coach college basketball again.
Tom Crean and Steve Wojo?
SJU running up the score tryna boost the metrcis.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2024, 08:53:42 PM
DePaul may be the worst D-1 team I've ever seen Herman.
I assume you mean P6 team. There are much worse teams - even this year.
Quote from: 1SE on March 06, 2024, 12:01:48 AM
I assume you mean P6 team. There are much worse teams - even this year.
They are 315 on kenpom. This is should be near impossible for a p6 team.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 06, 2024, 01:46:02 AM
They are 315 on kenpom. This is should be near impossible for a p6 team.
Oh, they are definitely historically horrible for a p6 team - but Muggsy said D1 - there's a least a couple dozen teams worse than them this year - including Detroit Mercy and MVSU
https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/sports/st-johns-uses-104-point-barrage-to-drub-depaul-for-fourth-straight-win/amp/
Quote from: 1SE on March 06, 2024, 02:10:35 AM
Oh, they are definitely historically horrible for a p6 team - but Muggsy said D1 - there's a least a couple dozen teams worse than them this year - including Detroit Mercy and MVSU
I mean, Chicago State has been dreadful for nearly 40 years - literally one winning season since 1986-87. And most of those years they had records similar to DePaul's this season. Their .400 winning percentage this season was their best in 10 years and 3rd best in 36 years.
But yes, I can't remember a P6 team as bad as this DePaul team ... probably the worst team in Big East history?
Quote from: 1SE on March 06, 2024, 12:01:48 AM
I assume you mean P6 team. There are much worse teams - even this year.
Not sure when you posted this, but Pitino put in the bench with 5 minutes to go, but they did already have 99 at that point. If he REALLY wanted to run it up...they would have scored 105+ against DePaul like Marquette did. ;)
Rooting for Nova tonight to clinch MU's spot in the evening session next Thursday.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2c2e1895cee41265ef3713f8cee80270/tenor.gif?itemid=10629587)
Freakin' Nova.
Starting to look like MU might have to beat Xavier to avoid the 4 seed in the BET.
I really thought Nova had a good shot to take Hall.
7 points in 45 seconds helps mitigate the 6 minute scoreless streak.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2024, 07:07:46 PM
Starting to look like MU might have to beat Xavier to avoid the 4 seed in the BET.
I really thought Nova had a good shot to take Hall.
They're just wildly inconsistent Blue.
Or maybe they beat UConn? Are they forfeiting the UConn game to save their energy for Xavier?
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2024, 07:07:46 PM
Starting to look like MU might have to beat Xavier to avoid the 4 seed in the BET.
I really thought Nova had a good shot to take Hall.
Shaheen Holloway sounds kind of like Mike Tyson.
Excellent win for The Hall. Much needed for their tournament hopes.
Nova probably has to get to the BET Final to make the dance.
Solid win for Butler. Bulldogs finish regular season 18-13. Made nice year over year progress.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2024, 07:16:25 PM
They're just wildly inconsistent Blue.
But Seton Hall is too. I thought Nova could take them.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2024, 07:07:46 PM
Starting to look like MU might have to beat Xavier to avoid the 4 seed in the BET.
I really thought Nova had a good shot to take Hall.
Would Seton Hall own the tie breaker over us? I just booked my flight yesterday and it leaves Detroit at 2:30pm Thursday which is the tip time for the 4/5 seed. That would SUCK
Quote from: swoopem on March 07, 2024, 07:16:04 AM
Would Seton Hall own the tie breaker over us? I just booked my flight yesterday and it leaves Detroit at 2:30pm Thursday which is the tip time for the 4/5 seed. That would SUCK
https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/sports/what-seton-halls-win-means-for-st-johns-big-east-tourney-seeding/amp/
Quote from: swoopem on March 07, 2024, 07:16:04 AM
Would Seton Hall own the tie breaker over us? I just booked my flight yesterday and it leaves Detroit at 2:30pm Thursday which is the tip time for the 4/5 seed. That would SUCK
Yes, Seton Hall would get it. It goes head to head first and then record against the top team in the standings. They were 1-1 vs UConn. Had we been tied with them with UConn, the comparison proceeds down the standings until there is a difference.
Quote from: swoopem on March 07, 2024, 07:16:04 AM
Would Seton Hall own the tie breaker over us? I just booked my flight yesterday and it leaves Detroit at 2:30pm Thursday which is the tip time for the 4/5 seed. That would SUCK
Yes... unless Creighton loses at Nova too. Then we would finish in 3rd.
Phuck
Good thing is we control our own destiny and I'll also be in building on Saturday to beat X
X has one non-DePual/Gtown win since January. If we play the way we have without TKO thus far, we should come out with a win. Lock up that 2/3 and see who we draw in NY.
On this date in 1982 ...
The NCAA tournament selection show was broadcast on TV for the first time. The No. 1 seeds were North Carolina, Virginia ... and DePaul and Georgetown.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2024, 07:55:53 AM
X has one non-DePual/Gtown win since January. If we play the way we have without TKO thus far, we should come out with a win. Lock up that 2/3 and see who we draw in NY.
Do you want someone to look it up or are you just not going to tell?
Quote from: wisblue on March 07, 2024, 08:19:58 AM
Do you want someone to look it up or are you just not going to tell?
They beat Nova at home on Feb 7th, but that's not really the point. If you're looking for a bounce back game and can't get either DePaul or Gtown, X right now is about as good as you can ask for. The fact that's it'll still be a Q1 game is an added bonus.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2024, 08:22:23 AM
They beat Nova at home on Feb 7th, but that's not really the point. If you're looking for a bounce back game and can't get either DePaul or Gtown, X right now is about as good as you can ask for. The fact that's it'll still be a Q1 game is an added bonus.
I was referring to the part about seeing who they draw in NYC.
If you know, just tell us. Otherwise, give me a few minutes.
Here's what I get assuming that Marquette beats Xavier and that DePaul and Georgetown both lose Saturday and in the first round of the BET. No reason to think either of those teams is suddenly going to do something they haven't done in 34 combined tries so far this season.
The only two games that could have any impact on MU's first opponent are Creighton at Villanova and UConn at Providence.
If Villanova wins, MU would get the 2 seed and play Providence (beware of more injuries).
If Creighton and UConn both win MU would be the 3 seed vs Villanova.
If Creighton and Providence win, MU would be the 3 seed vs St. John's (a road game).
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 11:29:33 AM
Kyle Neptune huddles give me Wojo flashbacks.
YEP, I give him one more year before that seat becomes red hot
If the seats not red hot yet, it's certainly headed in that direction. Guessing Wright been asked a whole bunch of times if he'd like to come out of retirement.
Quote from: Eye on March 08, 2024, 09:38:33 AM
If the seats not red hot yet, it's certainly headed in that direction. Guessing Wright been asked a whole bunch of times if he'd like to come out of retirement.
I seriously doubt the bolded. It will be interesting to see if Nova gives him another year or they decide that a with program like theirs, it would be best to get this over with and move on. Squandered talent this season.
Looks like Providence, SJ and Villanova all fighting tomorrow for the last first round bye in the BET.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/joel-soriano-cherishes-st-johns-journey-ahead-of-home-finale/amp/
If you want good St. John's coverage instead of the garbage in the NY Post, try these:
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/
https://stormthepaint.com/
Johnnies in a Dog fight with Mr Cooley
St Johns is doing their best to blow torch their tourney chances
Looks like St. John's will get a huge win against Georgetown. Helps the Golden Eagles cause
Sold win for The Johnnies. Mr Cooley tried his best to spoil the day.
Not looking like Nova is going to be any help today.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 09, 2024, 01:25:22 PM
Sold win for The Johnnies. Mr Cooley tried his best to spoil the day.
Actually, Ed Cooley didn't do his best. His roster sucks and his coaching this year has been terrible
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/rj-luis-plays-hero-as-st-johns-squeaks-beats-georgetown/
Nova badly sh*tting the bed so far.
Nova not realizing there is a game going on
Quote from: wisblue on March 09, 2024, 01:41:50 PM
Not looking like Nova is going to be any help today.
Would Creighton for sure steal Indy from us? Memphis is almost the same distance.
21-3 six minutes into the game! Nova fans booing at TO. Neptune may soon be Nova's shortest term coach.
27-5. Creighton 7/10 from 3.
Yikes.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2024, 01:55:29 PM
Nova not realizing there is a game going on
Still basking in the emotion of Senior Day.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 09, 2024, 01:55:41 PM
Would Creighton for sure steal Indy from us? Memphis is almost the same distance.
They beat MU on Weds and are dismantling Nova in last BE game.
MU can't lose to a 15-15 Xavier team with two out of their three top bench players not playing.
Will be a close call if MU wins, probably comes down to what plays out in BE Tournament. Long way to go.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2024, 01:46:34 PM
Actually, Ed Cooley didn't do his best. His roster sucks and his coaching this year has been terrible
The coaching has been the least of the problems. This program is in a ditch and the talent is insufficient. Then again, try selling Georgetown to a 17 year old.
I'm hoping that Kalkbrenner and Schierman are gone at the end of the season. Both are seniors. I'm not sure in either has (or would use) a covid year.
Nova wakes up and cuts it to 10.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 09, 2024, 02:05:28 PM
The coaching has been the least of the problems. This program is in a ditch and the talent is insufficient. Then again, try selling Georgetown to a 17 year old.
His team hasn't gotten better.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2024, 02:21:58 PM
His team hasn't gotten better.
No it hasn't, and Georgetown hasn't improved for the last 6-8 years. It's not a destination.
Cooley wasn't left with much. Ewing had not bothered to sign more than one recruit for 2023 who decommitted immediately. Nine left, only three returned from last season, and one if the three doesn't even play. NIL transfers didn't want to come to Georgetown and thus Cooley had to fill the roster with four walk-ons.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 09, 2024, 02:36:04 PM
No it hasn't, and Georgetown hasn't improved for the last 6-8 years. It's not a destination.
Cooley wasn't left with much. Ewing had not bothered to sign more than one recruit for 2023 who decommitted immediately. Nine left, only three returned from last season, and one if the three doesn't even play. NIL transfers didn't want to come to Georgetown and thus Cooley had to fill the roster with four walk-ons.
so let me get this straight...essentially no one who Ewing had wanted to play for a new coach coming in with a better coaching repertoire ??
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 09, 2024, 02:44:52 PM
so let me get this straight...essentially no one who Ewing had wanted to play for a new coach coming in with a better coaching repertoire ??
A lot of them left before Cooley was even hired:
Denver Anglin, left for SMU
D'Ante Bass, left for Alabama St.
Jordan Riley, left for Temple
Malcolm Wilson, left for Queens NC
Qudus Wahab, left for Penn St.
Marvel Allen (recruit, recommitted to Dayton)
Left after Cooley was announced:
Brandon Murray, left for Ole Miss the day of the hiring
Primo Spears, left for Florida St. along with a Ewing assistant coach
Brad Ezewiro, left for St. Louis
Akok Akok, took a West Virginia NIL offer and left in the summer.
What was left:
Jay Heath
Wayne Bristol
Ryan Mutombo, doesn't play
Victor Muresan, walk-on, quit in mid-season
How many PC recruits followed Cooley?
Nova making one last push
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2024, 03:18:10 PM
Nova making one last push
Trey Alexander. What a mid range game from this young man. He just won it for Creighton after Nova tied it.
Thats a kick to the balls
Nova showing like they did against MU that when you fall behind by 20 in the first half you're probably going to lose no matter how you play the rest of the way.
Master McDermott with a nice win. Helps the Big East cause
Quincy Olivari just got introduced for Xavier's senior day. One of his presenters was his Uncle Rico.
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2024, 03:52:16 PM
Quincy Olivari just got introduced for Xavier's senior day. One of his presenters was his Uncle Rico.
That'll help the Xavier cause
McDermott earned his contract extension
Nova will probably have to win the BET to make tournament
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 09, 2024, 04:06:08 PM
McDermott earned his contract extension
Nova will probably have to win the BET to make tournament
The 4/5 game (likely Seton Hall vs. St. John's) is an NCAA elimination game.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 09, 2024, 04:19:56 PM
The 4/5 game (likely Seton Hall vs. St. John's) is an NCAA elimination game.
I think both could get in assuming SHU doesn't lose to DePaul today.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 09, 2024, 04:19:56 PM
The 4/5 game (likely Seton Hall vs. St. John's) is an NCAA elimination game.
It'll be Marquette in that game if they don't win today
Does anybody know who wins the tiebreaker for the 6 seed between Providence and Villanova?
Can Pitino cox a MSG Miracle out of Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/03/07/sports/rick-pitinos-fiery-rant-a-st-johns-turning-point/
I like he quoted Al in the interview.
Much better recap about the St. John's game here:
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/3/9/24095453/st-johns-leans-on-clutch-defense-outlasts-georgetown-to-preserve-march-madness-hopes
https://stormthepaint.com/posts/st-johns-basketball-gets-spark-rj-luis-survive-georgetown-upset
Friars off to a solid start at The AMP
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 09, 2024, 06:29:29 PM
Does anybody know who wins the tiebreaker for the 6 seed between Providence and Villanova?
Nova beat PC twice.
Friars with that NIT #mindset
Huskies comfortably ahead at the AMP
Hurley has his squad peaking at the right time again
Congratulation to Marquette on a second place Big East Conference finish.
Looking forward to the tournaments.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 09, 2024, 08:35:03 PM
Congratulation to Marquette on a second place Big East Conference finish.
Looking forward to the tournaments.
I agree with this analysis
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2024, 08:41:30 AM
If you want good St. John's coverage instead of the garbage in the NY Post, try these:
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/
https://stormthepaint.com/
Nope remember who he is, needs to be Post.
Do we know who they play?
UConn becomes the winningest team in BE history.
Marquette won 17 last season, UConn 18 this season.
Quote from: Carl on March 09, 2024, 08:46:28 PM
Do we know who they play?
I believe the winner between Nova and De Paul.
Correct. Creighton draws providence. Hope to see them in the semis with 2 fully healthy squads!
https://www.bigeast.com/tournaments/?id=166
The Hall feels good about their Coach and outlook going into BET.
Going to be a classic battle versus Johnnies .
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/03/09/seton-hall-basketball-romps-depaul-locks-up-ncaa-tournament-berth/72879081007/
Big East Tournament is Still Magical
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/big-east-tournament-at-the-garden-is-still-magical/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 09:08:19 AM
Big East Tournament is Still Magical
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/big-east-tournament-at-the-garden-is-still-magical/amp/
Jesus, that was a terrible article
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not make honorable mention
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 01:27:34 PM
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not many honorable mention
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65878.0
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 01:27:34 PM
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not make honorable mention
Kam and Karaban both got screwed.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 01:27:34 PM
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not make honorable mention
Kam should have been ranked higher. The BEast is an awesome league with a wealth of great players. Also great coaches, some whom have very kick in the nuts worthy groins, and we all know who they are.
Kam started league play in a shooting
slump (everybody should go back and read some of THAT comedy) and then sprained his ankle. He has been money lately. But, take the whole body of work and, though I disagree with it, I understand it.
Quote from: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 01:56:45 PM
Kam started league play in a shooting
slump (everybody should go back and read some of THAT comedy) and then sprained his ankle. He has been money lately. But, take the whole body of work and, though I disagree with it, I understand it.
It's fine when he wins BET MVP - after dropping 100 pts in 3 games.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/survive-and-advance-has-arrived-early-in-march-for-st-johns/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 02:21:04 PM
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/sports/survive-and-advance-has-arrived-early-in-march-for-st-johns/
Here's a much better article than the pedantic trash in the NY Post
https://stormthepaint.com/posts/ed-cooley-says-st-johns-basketball-clearly-ncaa-tournament-team
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 01:27:34 PM
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not make honorable mention
Congratulations to Tyler and Oso. Kam may have a chip on his shoulder like Butch Lee in the 1976 Olympics.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 10, 2024, 04:31:27 PM
Congratulations to Tyler and Oso. Kam may have a chip on his shoulder like Butch Lee in the 1976 Olympics.
I'm ready for that
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2024, 02:31:38 PM
Here's a much better article than the pedantic trash in the NY Post
https://stormthepaint.com/posts/ed-cooley-says-st-johns-basketball-clearly-ncaa-tournament-team
Generally considered the best NY Post headline ever ...
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/16/toplesshead_sq-1c55a008bd13a2d2d390bbbceac28416992e075b-s400-c85.webp)
https://www.vuhoops.com/2024/3/9/24095704/creightons-alexander-shuts-down-villanova-comeback-big-east-college-basketball-game-recap
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 01:27:34 PM
All Big East Teams
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/10/mens-basketball-all-big-east-teams-announced.aspx
Kam did not make honorable mention
Big East Defensive Player of The Year , Sixth Man of The Year , Sportmanship and Most Improved to be announced Monday at 11am
Hoping Stevie wins Defensive Player of The Year
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 10, 2024, 01:43:55 PM
Kam and Karaban both got screwed.
Completely agreed on Karaban. He was the best player on the floor last Wednesday.
Quote from: Eye on March 11, 2024, 08:52:58 AM
Completely agreed on Karaban. He was the best player on the floor last Wednesday.
Problem is he's a low-usage guy, with blah rebounding & assist percentages. Capable of big games, but has some very quiet nights
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2024, 08:25:17 PM
Big East Defensive Player of The Year , Sixth Man of The Year , Sportmanship and Most Improved to be announced Monday at 11am
Hoping Stevie wins Defensive Player of The Year
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/11/mens-basketball-big-east-announces-individual-mbb-awards.aspx
Kalkbrenner DPOY, Diarra of U Conn Sixth Man of The Year, Ashworth of Creighton Sportsmanship and Desmond Claude of X , Most Improved.
Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, Scholar Athlete and Freshman of Year Announced Wednesday March 13 at 1:30 PM.
Hoping Stevie wins Scholar Athlete.
Finding it hard for myself to complain about any of the awards. Lot of good guys in the league who are deserving of the honors. Think Stevie's reputation will probably give him a big leg up on DPOY for next year.
It's gotta be Halloway or Hurley for COTY right?
Should be Hurley. Sha has overachieved, but Hurley has put on a NCOY performance.
Pitino manipulating schedule for next season. Mr. Cooley is disgruntled about it.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/10/sports/georgetown-may-not-have-msg-on-2024-25-schedule/
https://nypost.com/2024/03/11/sports/2024-big-east-tournament-odds-prediction-back-uconn/
Will Mr Cooley be the spoiler for Providence season Wednesday. 3rd game of the year between the two squads .
From MU perspective would prefer no upset. Would rather see Creighton have a challenging game on Thursday
Final episode of The Pitino Chronicles discussed Big East Tournament
https://youtu.be/4UC5Lgk0nAM?si=pS9RHfypeFADJzci
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 12, 2024, 08:10:11 AM
Will Mr Cooley be the spoiler for Providence season Wednesday. 3rd game of the year between the two squads .
From MU perspective would prefer no upset. Would rather see Creighton have a challenging game on Thursday
Among other things in this article, Mr. Cooley makes case for why he voted for Devin Carter for Big East Player of the Year
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/providence-aims-to-oust-ed-cooley-georgetown-in-big-east-tourney/
Tristen Newton is Aaron Jones' nephew?
Sorry-cousin
Looking at things glass half full, MU has an excellent opportunity to prove they are a worthy 2 seed in the next couple games. Demonstrate they can win with out TyKo would be a big positive.
This is Excellent News for Oso and MU
https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/3/13/mens-basketball-marquettes-ighodaro-named-mens-basketball-scholar-athlete-of-the-year
Excellent win for X.
If they can pull the upset , Miller will continue his streak of non losing seasons.
Solid win for The Friars.
Helps The Big East cause if English Enterprises can make it into The NCAA Tournament .
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 13, 2024, 04:37:57 PM
This is Excellent News for Oso and MU
https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/3/13/mens-basketball-marquettes-ighodaro-named-mens-basketball-scholar-athlete-of-the-year
"He will complete his MBA this summer" I find interesting.
What about Stevie? He has a 4.0 in Finance.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 09:31:59 PM
"He will complete his MBA this summer" I find interesting.
Typo. Should read, "He will complete his NBA this summer."
Hoping DePaul can steal one from Neptune.
Cue up the its happening GIF
Nova got their clunker out of their system.
Quote from: wisblue on March 13, 2024, 10:21:42 PM
Nova got their clunker out of their system.
Blue,
As I told you months ago Nova is wildly inconsistent.
Wow
When the block went out of bounds, I told my wife, "A shot clock violation followed be a Villanova three would be a very DePaul way to lose this."
Yep. Check and check.
Will that entire team enter the portal?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 13, 2024, 10:24:34 PM
Wow
Wow is correct. This is the same team that was in prime position to beat UCONN and took out UNC.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:23:43 PM
Blue,
As I told you months ago Nova is wildly inconsistent.
You've told me a lot of things that are wrong too.
Nova was terrible
But ... Duh Paul is so damn bad that they don't get out to contest the 3 pt shot that he's already made multiple times??
WTF ?!
Quote from: wisblue on March 13, 2024, 10:27:36 PM
You've told me a lot of things that are wrong too.
Yes, I've been wrong.. But you were way off with Nova and should admit it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:30:27 PM
Yes, I've been wrong.. But you were way off with Nova and should admit it.
What exactly did I say that was way off?
They have beaten several good teams, lost to UConn and Creighton by one possession, and gave MU two tough games.
They might be inconsistent but they are also very dangerous.
Going to be a battle to tonight. After being nearly Put to Darkness, Wildcats will be out to maul us.
Crowd should pumped up
https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/sports/st-johns-seton-hall-battle-has-big-ncaa-tournament-implications/
Excellent win For The Huskies.
Losing season for Miller unless the X goes to some lower level tournament
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Also helps The Big East cause to get another team in tournament .
Having a Pitino led squad in the dance , his first year as Johnnies coach will also help with TV negotiations
Rooting for The Johnnies on Friday
https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/sports/st-johns-beats-seton-hall-to-likely-punch-march-madness-ticket/
Excellent win for Providence
Helps the Big East Cause to get another team in The Tournament
Will Tyler push to play against The Friars?
Excellent coverage of our win last night
https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/sports/marquette-squeezes-out-victory-over-villanova-in-overtime/amp/
kam's shot at the buzzer was called good on the floor
there was NOT OVERWHELMING evidence it was not good
we had to win that game twice
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 14, 2024, 09:23:54 PM
Excellent win for Providence
Helps the Big East Cause to get another team in The Tournament
Will Tyler push to play against The Friars?
If it were anyone other than Providence I would say yes. However they tend to play physical borderline dirty so I will say no. There were enough events that happened yesterday with Duke and Creighton losing that our 2 seed should not matter whether we win or lose tonight. If they get to Uconn I say he at minimum sees minutes.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 06:42:09 AM
kam's shot at the buzzer was called good on the floor
there was NOT OVERWHELMING evidence it was not good
we had to win that game twice
The correct call was made. Had the teams been reversed and they called that good, this board would have been apoplectic.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 07:25:43 AM
The correct call was made. Had the teams been reversed and they called that good, this board would have been apoplectic.
This looks good to me. Certainly it's close as it can be but I don't know how you can claim it's the correct call.
https://x.com/troymachir/status/1768486177319850374?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 07:35:33 AM
This looks good to me. Certainly it's close as it can be but I don't know how you can claim it's the correct call.
https://x.com/troymachir/status/1768486177319850374?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Because of the way his fingertips were still on the ball.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 07:35:33 AM
This looks good to me. Certainly it's close as it can be but I don't know how you can claim it's the correct call.
https://x.com/troymachir/status/1768486177319850374?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Yeah you can't tell anything from that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 07:45:42 AM
Yeah you can't tell anything from that.
Is that the point for a reversal?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 08:00:24 AM
Is that the point for a reversal?
Well they saw more than that shot. They may have seen shots that we didn't see. I don't know.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 07:44:45 AM
Because of the way his fingertips were still on the ball.
Yeah, as much as I wanted it to be good, I thought it was late. I think they made a good call.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 08:06:11 AM
Well they saw more than that shot. They may have seen shots that we didn't see. I don't know.
That's as close as any I can remember. Amazing. Agree, it would be a crappy way to end it. Play on, I guess.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 08:11:38 AM
That's as close as any I can remember. Amazing. Agree, it would be a crappy way to end it. Play on, I guess.
I think if it was going to end the game and not OT they'd have called the shot good.
I don't mind ridiculously close calls going against my team. Any call on any bang-bang play is going to anger 1/2 of the audience. I am more ticked about Stevie getting taken out in front of the ref without a call.
I know they review when the shot is released, but is the moment the clock starts reviewable? In this case, say the timer starts the clock a couple tenths before the ball was actually touched. Could the refs adjust the clock by that much time, meaning the shot would have counted (even though it was still on his fingertips when the lights went on)?
I haven't seen a good angle on it so I'm not saying that's what happened here, just wondering about the rule.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 08:25:53 AM
I don't mind ridiculously close calls going against my team. Any call on any bang-bang play is going to anger 1/2 of the audience. I am more ticked about Stevie getting taken out in front of the ref without a call.
Yeah, I'm still pissed about that. I'm getting a little sick of this crap (https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/1763217087168749654?s=20).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 15, 2024, 08:39:06 AM
Yeah, I'm still pissed about that. I'm getting a little sick of this crap (https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/1763217087168749654?s=20).
Good no call
Quote from: Warrior Code on March 15, 2024, 08:37:50 AM
I know they review when the shot is released, but is the moment the clock starts reviewable? In this case, say the timer starts the clock a couple tenths before the ball was actually touched. Could the refs adjust the clock by that much time, meaning the shot would have counted (even though it was still on his fingertips when the lights went on)?
I haven't seen a good angle on it so I'm not saying that's what happened here, just wondering about the rule.
Yes. They can review everything related to the clock.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 08:40:34 AM
Yes. They can review everything related to the clock.
Got it, thanks
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 08:25:53 AM
I don't mind ridiculously close calls going against my team. Any call on any bang-bang play is going to anger 1/2 of the audience. I am more ticked about Stevie getting taken out in front of the ref without a call.
I agree. I tend to lean more to Sultan's way of thinking on the refs. In general, they're not too good, they're influenced too much by the crowd, but they are not consciously biased for any team.
But it sure does feel like you can just beat the hell out of Stevie for some reason and it's ok.
Also, it occurred to me while watching the Creighton-Providence game that every screen Oduro sets is a moving screen and always adds a little hip check or nudge or whatever he can.
Quote from: Warrior Code on March 15, 2024, 08:37:50 AM
I know they review when the shot is released, but is the moment the clock starts reviewable? In this case, say the timer starts the clock a couple tenths before the ball was actually touched. Could the refs adjust the clock by that much time, meaning the shot would have counted (even though it was still on his fingertips when the lights went on)?
I haven't seen a good angle on it so I'm not saying that's what happened here, just wondering about the rule.
Reviewable but note it is the floor official who starts the clock in that instance, not the timer.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 15, 2024, 09:08:15 AM
Also, it occurred to me while watching the Creighton-Providence game that every screen Oduro sets is a moving screen and always adds a little hip check or nudge or whatever he can.
This is why I don't want Tyler playing tonight.
Surely with a win tonight we would lock up a 2 seed? I know the committee didn't rate us as highly as the AP in its original reveal but who could realistically be the 8 teams ahead of us if we win tonight?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 06:42:09 AM
kam's shot at the buzzer was called good on the floor
there was NOT OVERWHELMING evidence it was not good
we had to win that game twice
Fair point, but there is no contraversy over who won OT.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 06:42:09 AM
kam's shot at the buzzer was called good on the floor
there was NOT OVERWHELMING evidence it was not good
we had to win that game twice
Yup. No angle showed any evidence that it wasn't off in time. So unless they had alternate angles, they were making a guess to push this game to OT.
Quote from: Cream Biggums on March 15, 2024, 09:46:08 AM
Surely with a win tonight we would lock up a 2 seed? I know the committee didn't rate us as highly as the AP in its original reveal but who could realistically be the 8 teams ahead of us if we win tonight?
IMO, it is already locked in.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 15, 2024, 09:58:18 AM
Yup. No angle showed any evidence that it wasn't off in time. So unless they had alternate angles, they were making a guess to push this game to OT.
We won anyway. Two downsides to the refs' call (besides not having the W)-
Our team lost some of their advantage over PC in regard to being better rested for the game tonight.
That last play in regulation was/would have been one for the ages. Waving it off sends it to circular file #13.
One last look mainly because of Fanta's reaction. The shot definitely beat the buzzer but the backboard light, I am still not sure. Amazing
https://x.com/bigeastbarstool/status/1768487709490790887?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 11:27:44 AM
One last look mainly because of Fanta's reaction. The shot definitely beat the buzzer but the backboard light, I am still not sure. Amazing
https://x.com/bigeastbarstool/status/1768487709490790887?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Great—are we now going to have a scoop argument analyzing the speed of sound versus the speed of light in an arena setting?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 15, 2024, 11:31:37 AM
Great—are we now going to have a scoop argument analyzing the speed of sound versus the speed of light in an arena setting?
A classic...
(http://media.mlive.com/spartans_impact/photo/10410040-large.jpg)
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 11:27:44 AM
One last look mainly because of Fanta's reaction. The shot definitely beat the buzzer but the backboard light, I am still not sure. Amazing
https://x.com/bigeastbarstool/status/1768487709490790887?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
I know Fanta gets a lot of flack, but the man just truly loves college basketball.
I thought the shot was good.
And ... even w / out TKO, MU will beat Prov tonight.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 12:35:13 PM
I know Fanta gets a lot of flack, but the man just truly loves college basketball.
Who doesn't like Fanta? That guy is awesome. Sports are supposed to be fun and he's always having a good time.
I really wanted the shot to be good, obviously. But like the refs, I'm convinced the basketball was still on Kam's fingertips when the backboard lit up. Needed another tenth of a second!
Quote from: Shark on March 15, 2024, 01:28:13 PM
Who doesn't like Fanta? That guy is awesome. Sports are supposed to be fun and he's always having a good time.
Soulless internet dickheads who think he is fake.
The whole Big East show picked Providence tonight, stating how great of D providence has been playing... some forget how Providence played a few weeks back in Fiserv.
How the hell is Karaban only a sophomore? He looks 30 years old.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2024, 04:57:41 PM
How the hell is Karaban only a sophomore? He looks 30 years old.
It's his 2nd year of school
He's a first grader!? Going to get sick of that kid for sure
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 07:35:33 AM
This looks good to me. Certainly it's close as it can be but I don't know how you can claim it's the correct call.
https://x.com/troymachir/status/1768486177319850374?s=46&t=StvuKADFPFLgSGJ6HMVH4g
Agreed. I think it was off his fingertips from every angle i've seen. Definitely not irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the floor. Breeding & McConnell strike again!
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 15, 2024, 05:35:25 PM
Agreed. I think it was off his fingertips from every angle i've seen. Definitely not irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the floor. Breeding & McConnell strike again!
Also agree and I think it was on Paint Touches that made the argument it was a push shot so the finger tips were not actually in play. Regardless amazing how different people perceive the same replays - I could not discern anything like definitive evidence, it was still touching any part of his hands. At best it appeared that maybe it was but just as likely or more likely it wasn't. Oh well moot point.
U Conn pulling away from Johnnies. Huskies have so much talent hard to overcome
Nice tackling by the Jonnies to get a 5 sec call.
Pitino winning over NY Press
https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/sports/the-best-is-still-yet-to-come-for-rick-pitinos-red-storm/
Best part of the BET is all the media coverage we get
https://nypost.com/2024/03/16/sports/marquette-clips-providence-will-face-uconn-in-big-east-tourney-final/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 16, 2024, 12:37:21 PM
Best part of the BET is all the media coverage we get
https://nypost.com/2024/03/16/sports/marquette-clips-providence-will-face-uconn-in-big-east-tourney-final/amp/
Only idiots and perverts read the NY Post
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 01:08:05 PM
Only idiots and perverts read the NY Post
So like 90% of NYC? ;D
I like the Bracket that all the Big East Teams are in.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 16, 2024, 01:15:08 PM
So like 90% of NYC? ;D
[/quBTW.
Picking on the New York Post? Why just them? All of the media is perverted, including the Post. All of it. If you trust one side or the other, you are living a false reality my friend. Trust only the BIBLE.
Seton Hall in First Four out. They screwed themselves by not getting a signature non conference win.
Johnnies got hurt by Bid Thieves.
Nova screwed the Big East by losing the 3 Big 5 games.
Providence did well all year without Bryce Hopkins
X got unlikely with losing Freemantle and Hunter before the season started.
Interesting conversation with Committee Chairman. Said it was the toughest process in many many years with all the Big Thieves.
Shows how important Non Conference is to staying off the bubble.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2024, 05:50:38 PM
Interesting conversation with Committee Chairman. Said it was the toughest process in many many years with all the Big Thieves.
We salute the Committee Chairman for a very tough job done Well.
Pitino says NET is fraudulent
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/
Pitino says no to NIT
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2024, 05:43:09 PM
Seton Hall in First Four out. They screwed themselves by not getting a signature non conference win.
Johnnies got hurt by Bid Thieves.
Nova screwed the Big East by losing the 3 Big 5 games.
Providence did well all year without Bryce Hopkins
X got unlikely with losing Freemantle and Hunter before the season started.
You are
completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 17, 2024, 10:14:52 PM
You are completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.
Disagree. Other conferences have proven that clobbering Q3 opponents is fine for NET.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 17, 2024, 10:14:52 PM
You are completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.
How much money does the conference lose out on having 2 or 3 less teams in?
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 17, 2024, 10:27:54 PM
How much money does the conference lose out on having 2 or 3 less teams in?
Lots.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 17, 2024, 10:19:08 PM
Disagree. Other conferences have proven that clobbering Q3 opponents is fine for NET.
Yeah. I need to mostly walk my post back. Focusing just on DePaul with a NET in the 300's, they didn't help anyone in the BE. As has been shown in the DP/GT thread, the teams that didn't get an invite could have scheduled (and performed) better in OOC.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2024, 09:50:35 PM
Pitino says NET is fraudulent
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/
Pitino says no to NIT
Don't lose to Michigan and Boston College then.
Honestly, I didn't realize how bad they were OOC. They really have little room to b*tch.
Shaka pointing out the middle class in Big East got hurt by U Conn great year and DePaul bad year.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/depauls-worst-year-ever-led-to-big-east-snubs-shaka-smart/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2024, 08:04:52 AM
Don't lose to Michigan and Boston College then.
Honestly, I didn't realize how bad they were OOC. They really have little room to b*tch.
Left unsaid about the OOC results is the impact of the portal and how long it takes to gel with near complete roster turnover (with a bunch of transfers from different systems). Roster continuity matters.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2024, 12:35:47 PM
Left unsaid about the OOC results is the impact of the portal and how long it takes to gel with near complete roster turnover (with a bunch of transfers from different systems). Roster continuity matters.
Agree, but didn't Pitino all but chase off most of the players from the previous regime and choose to rebuild through the portal?
I mean, he would have used the portal heavily anyway, but he made some philosophical choices.
I have a hard time feeling too sorry for any team that, if they just won another game or two, they'd have not had to beyotch because they'd have been in. The old "control what you can control" thing.
Pitino opting out saying he is going to focus on Portal
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/
Crean outraged at Teams declining NIT invite.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/furious-tom-crean-goes-off-on-teams-declining-nit-invite/
What Crean is missing is with Portal the way it is now, a team can completely turnover ever year. So his logic of working with players doesn't make sense for teams that are going to do a wholesale change of roster.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2024, 01:44:40 PM
Pitino opting out saying he is going to focus on Portal
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/
Crean outraged at Teams declining NIT invite.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/furious-tom-crean-goes-off-on-teams-declining-nit-invite/
What Crean is missing is with Portal the way it is now, a team can completely turnover ever year. So his logic of working with players doesn't make sense for teams that are going to do a wholesale change of roster.
Hmmm, the current players are being penalized in a case like SJU.....?
According to The Athletic's model, MU has a 1.4% chance of winning the tournament, 3.7% chance of making the finals, 9.1% chance of making the Final Four, 23.4% chance of making the Elite 8, 46.3% chance of making the Sweet 16 and 86.&% chance of winning Friday.
Has WKU has the 15 seed most likely to win.
Seems down on MU and strangely high on the WCC (St. Mary's and Gonzaga with a 13.1% and 9.4% chance of making the Final Four, respectively).
Also has Tennessee as the third mostly likely to win it all and make the Final Four. The model apparently wasn't fed Rick Barnes' record in March.
https://theathletic.com/5351206/2024/03/18/ncaa-tournament-projections-model/
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived). Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important. In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.
The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume. If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some. I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both. If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA). Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team. And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference. The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 18, 2024, 03:05:05 PM
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived). Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important. In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.
The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume. If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some. I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both. If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA). Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team. And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference. The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.
The conference should have issued a press release as follows:
"F*** 'Em"
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 18, 2024, 03:05:05 PM
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived). Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important. In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.
The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume. If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some. I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both. If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA). Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team. And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference. The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.
The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct? Of the 200 brackets, all but two of the schools were listed on 190+. Texas A&M on 167 and Virginia on 20. (UVa is an obvious head scratcher.)
Schedule tough non-conference games. Win most of them. Perform well in conference.
And the conference shouldn't say anything because the reasons SJU and SHU were excluded were pretty obvious. What Pitino wants to for the committee to ignore the beginning of the year and look at the latest results. Well unfortunately that's not how it works. The late season eye-test can't cancel out your horrid start.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2024, 03:17:10 PM
The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct? Of the 200 brackets, all but two of the schools were listed on 190+. Texas A&M on 167 and Virginia on 20. (UVa is an obvious head scratcher.)
Schedule tough non-conference games. Win most of them. Perform well in conference.
And the conference shouldn't say anything because the reasons SJU and SHU were excluded were pretty obvious. What Pitino wants to for the committee to ignore the beginning of the year and look at the latest results. Well unfortunately that's not how it works. The late season eye-test can't cancel out your horrid start.
Michigan State should be staying home, you can't change my mind on this.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 18, 2024, 03:20:41 PM
Michigan State should be staying home, you can't change my mind on this.
LOL, I am not planning to!
We can discuss whether or not the criteria they are using is wrong, but it certainly isn't all that ambiguous.
I don't think the committee is doing itself any favors when they come out and say things like they discounted SHs win against UConn because Clingan was hurt. He got hurt in the 2nd half after SH already had a decent lead. Just keep your mouth shut about the specifics and say that overall their resume wasn't good enough.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 18, 2024, 03:05:05 PM
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived). Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important. In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.
The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume. If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some. I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both. If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA). Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team. And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference. The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.
My plan to show the committee up is by getting 2 or 3 Big East Teams in the Final Four and a BE team win the national championship.
Also, do the same with the NIT even if it's just the NIT.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2024, 03:17:10 PM
The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct? Of the 200 brackets, all but two of the schools were listed on 190+. Texas A&M on 167 and Virginia on 20. (UVa is an obvious head scratcher.)
Schedule tough non-conference games. Win most of them. Perform well in conference.
And the conference shouldn't say anything because the reasons SJU and SHU were excluded were pretty obvious. What Pitino wants to for the committee to ignore the beginning of the year and look at the latest results. Well unfortunately that's not how it works. The late season eye-test can't cancel out your horrid start.
Yep, performance over the season counts. Win some games.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2024, 03:17:10 PM
The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct?
Yeah, it's hard to argue that it's impossible to understand the criteria (i.e., that it's "ambiguous") when the bracketologists pretty much correctly predict the entire field before it is announced. Take out UVA - which pretty much everyone seems to agree is inexplicable - and bracketmatrix project nailed the entire field.
Don't you just miss the wonderful annual Jim Boeheim crying over the selection committee? ::)
That guy was a whinny mess his last few years. Good riddance.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 18, 2024, 04:10:26 PM
Don't you just miss the wonderful annual Jim Boeheim crying over the selection committee? ::)
That guy was a whinny mess his last few years. Good riddance.
His nickname was "Cryin' Jim". Successful coach, but really hated listening to the guy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2024, 01:44:40 PM
Pitino opting out saying he is going to focus on Portal
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/
Crean outraged at Teams declining NIT invite.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/furious-tom-crean-goes-off-on-teams-declining-nit-invite/
What Crean is missing is with Portal the way it is now, a team can completely turnover ever year. So his logic of working with players doesn't make sense for teams that are going to do a wholesale change of roster.
cream: oh sh!t, that's right...never mind
Quote from: Pakuni on March 18, 2024, 02:00:19 PM
According to The Athletic's model, MU has a 1.4% chance of winning the tournament, 3.7% chance of making the finals, 9.1% chance of making the Final Four, 23.4% chance of making the Elite 8, 46.3% chance of making the Sweet 16 and 86.&% chance of winning Friday.
Has WKU has the 15 seed most likely to win.
Seems down on MU and strangely high on the WCC (St. Mary's and Gonzaga with a 13.1% and 9.4% chance of making the Final Four, respectively).
Also has Tennessee as the third mostly likely to win it all and make the Final Four. The model apparently wasn't fed Rick Barnes' record in March.
https://theathletic.com/5351206/2024/03/18/ncaa-tournament-projections-model/
If only the betting lines reflected these projections!
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 18, 2024, 03:05:05 PM
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived). Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important. In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.
The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume. If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some. I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both. If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA). Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team. And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference. The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.
Ask and ye shall receive.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1769851269525504314/photo/1
Both the Johnnies and SH were screwed. Best BB conference in country only gets 3 bids? Must be payback by the committee for MU sandbagging Kolek. Or they think that the conference is really weak after UConn. some real head scratchers in the selections.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2024, 05:48:42 PM
Both the Johnnies and SH were screwed. Best BB conference in country only gets 3 bids? Must be payback by the committee for MU sandbagging Kolek. Or they think that the conference is really weak after UConn. some real head scratchers in the selections.
Nope. It was obvious why neither was chosen.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2024, 05:48:42 PM
Both the Johnnies and SH were screwed. Best BB conference in country only gets 3 bids? Must be payback by the committee for MU sandbagging Kolek. Or they think that the conference is really weak after UConn. some real head scratchers in the selections.
Big XII was better by every metric
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2024, 05:50:59 PM
Nope. It was obvious why neither was chosen.
Interesting, what was obvious about it? And then explain to me why Virginia is in the tournament. Saint John's has a much better resume than Virginia, and it's not particularly close.
Team A: Virginia
Won 3 of their last 7 games
NET 54
Q1 record -2-7
Kenpom - 69
NCSOS - 236
Team B: St. John's
Won 6 of their last 7 games
NET 32
Q1 record - 4-10
Kenpom - 25
NCSOS - 145
Why on earth is Virginia in, and St. John's staying home? Show me, please.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/dan-hurley-on-how-many-big-east-teams-should-make-ncaa-tourney/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2024, 06:25:15 AM
Interesting, what was obvious about it? And then explain to me why Virginia is in the tournament. Saint John's has a much better resume than Virginia, and it's not particularly close.
Team A: Virginia
Won 3 of their last 7 games
NET 54
Q1 record -2-7
Kenpom - 69
NCSOS - 236
Team B: St. John's
Won 6 of their last 7 games
NET 32
Q1 record - 4-10
Kenpom - 25
NCSOS - 145
Why on earth is Virginia in, and St. John's staying home? Show me, please.
I'm not saying Virginia deserved it. Pretty much everyone is scratching their heads over that one. But that doesn't mean SJU did - it was obvious why the committee didn't think much of them or Seton Hall. Their OOC results were terrible, and their performance in conference wasn't enough to make up for it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 08:03:48 AM
I'm not saying Virginia deserved it. Pretty much everyone is scratching their heads over that one. But that doesn't mean SJU did - it was obvious why the committee didn't think much of them or Seton Hall. Their OOC results were terrible, and their performance in conference wasn't enough to make up for it.
A 13-7 Big East team with wins over UCONN and Marquette should be plenty to get in the tournament. Yes, they had a poor non-con, but a 13-7 BE team should be in comfortably.
I am really really really against tournament expansion. I even hated when they added the first four just because it messed with something that I felt was perfect. I am not for changing it to 96 or whatever the number is. However, I believe they could solve some issues by doubling the play in games from 4 to 8, 4 games a day Tuesday/Wednesday at 2 different locations. This will allow 6 more power conference or bubble teams to get in. It would also allow teams grabbing bids in the 15 seed that should be in the 16/16 play in to be put in the 16/16 matchup and push 2 on the play in teams from the 10/10 11/11 12/12 to actual first four byes
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2024, 08:08:27 AM
A 13-7 Big East team with wins over UCONN and Marquette should be plenty to get in the tournament. Yes, they had a poor non-con, but a 13-7 BE team should be in comfortably.
You can't just throw out "yes they had a poor non-con." It was dreadful. They lost to USC, Iowa and Rutgers - two of which finished under .500.
And, with all due respect to the BE, its a top-heavy conference this year. Racking up wins v. Butler and Xavier doesn't do a lot to move the needle.
Did SHU deserve to get in over Virginia? IMO yes. But it was obvious why they didn't get the nod in the end - especially with the bid stealing going on out there.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 08:23:09 AM
You can't just throw out "yes they had a poor non-con." It was dreadful. They lost to USC, Iowa and Rutgers - two of which finished under .500.
And, with all due respect to the BE, its a top-heavy conference this year. Racking up wins v. Butler and Xavier doesn't do a lot to move the needle.
Did SHU deserve to get in over Virginia? IMO yes. But it was obvious why they didn't get the nod in the end - especially with the bid stealing going on out there.
Butler and Xavier are 56 and 67 in Kenpom and 68 and 64 in the NET. Might not move the needle, but hardly games that are a drag on your schedule - all the other major conferences have plenty of teams that ranked out worse.
The Big East had a really poor non-con in general. I was worried about a 4 bid league heading into league play. A few weeks ago it looked like as many as 8 teams could dance. It ultimately was a bit of a perfect storm with UCONN, Depaul and Gtown. But 3 bids is ridiculous. Seton Hall might have the best resume of the four bubble teams due to their 13-7 record in BE play, but they're probably the 4th best team including SJU, Providence and Villanova. All those teams could make the 2nd weekend. Its a shame none of them will get the chance.
Oh I have no doubt whatsoever that SJU especially could have made the second weekend. But their resume was worse than Seton Hall's - they just couldn't overcome the damage done to their resume during the non conference portion of their schedule.
Let's face it, the committee was prepared to put Seton Hall in the field. The first three out were 1) Oklahoma, 2) Seton Hall, and 3) Indiana State.
Those three teams lost their spots to Oregon, New Mexico, and North Carolina State. Three improbable autobids from multibid conferences.
I won't even include the A-10 and AAC tournaments. Dayton and FAU were the only two at large teams from those conferences. In those situations, I expected the field to win both of those tournaments. Dayton and/or FAU winning autobids would have been a bonus for bubble teams.
FAU didn't deserve that auto bid.
Couldn't we also use this argument about MSU? Dreadful non con, but they didn't have near the marquee wins as SHU.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 08:03:48 AM
I'm not saying Virginia deserved it. Pretty much everyone is scratching their heads over that one. But that doesn't mean SJU did - it was obvious why the committee didn't think much of them or Seton Hall. Their OOC results were terrible, and their performance in conference wasn't enough to make up for it.
No, that's what you're saying when you say it was obvious why St. John's was left off. The implication is that the team that got in got in for an obvious reason.
Virginia doesn't deserve to be in, and St. John's should have been invited. It's pretty cut and dry.
If not St. John's, then who?
For the record, using the same metrics outlined before:
Seton Hall
Won 4 of their last 7 games
NET 67
Q1 record - 5-8
Kenpom - 62
NCSOS - 242
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2024, 08:46:38 AM
FAU didn't deserve that auto bid.
Couldn't we also use this argument about MSU? Dreadful non con, but they didn't have near the marquee wins as SHU.
Metrics loved Sparty. The biggest fraud is Virginia who after their great January were terrible. 69th in KenPom and blown out in multiple games. They don't remotely pass the sniff test. Hope Colorado State takes cares of business tonight
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 08:37:33 AM
Oh I have no doubt whatsoever that SJU especially could have made the second weekend. But their resume was worse than Seton Hall's - they just couldn't overcome the damage done to their resume during the non conference portion of their schedule.
I think this brings up a good question and that of conference strength. The Committee clearly stated that conference affiliation and balancing is NOT a consideration (to be fair to non-Power conferences). But why not when conference schedules expand to more teams and earlier games while the # of OOS games shrink?
The answer is expansion.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2024, 08:49:44 AM
Metrics loved Sparty. The biggest fraud is Virginia who after their great January were terrible. 69th in KenPom and blown out in multiple games. They don't remotely pass the sniff test. Hope Colorado State takes cares of business tonight
Only 2 teams in the field lost to Notre Dame: Clemson and Virginia. And Va lost to ND by 22 effen points. That should have eliminated Bennett's band right there.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 19, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
I am really really really against tournament expansion. I even hated when they added the first four just because it messed with something that I felt was perfect. I am not for changing it to 96 or whatever the number is. However, I believe they could solve some issues by doubling the play in games from 4 to 8, 4 games a day Tuesday/Wednesday at 2 different locations. This will allow 6 more power conference or bubble teams to get in. It would also allow teams grabbing bids in the 15 seed that should be in the 16/16 play in to be put in the 16/16 matchup and push 2 on the play in teams from the 10/10 11/11 12/12 to actual first four byes
Any expansion IMO can't take away from the first and second rounds on Thursday and Friday. That's why an expansion to 96, where the 9-24 seeds in each region play on Tuesday and Wednesday, is just a bad idea IMO.
Anything they do should try to generate the interest and urgency on a smaller scale - something like the NBA play-in games. For example, turn the conference champion play-in games to a Monday through Wednesday play in tournament for the eight worst conference champions for one spot. You could still have play-in games for the at-larges as well.
Something that will be fun for the die-hards to watch, but not take away from that first four-day weekend.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2024, 08:48:14 AM
No, that's what you're saying when you say it was obvious why St. John's was left off. The implication is that the team that got in got in for an obvious reason.
You are being too black and white. I'm talking shades of grey here. SJU, SHU and Oklahoma all had legit arguments for being in over Virginia. I wouldn't have had an argument against any of them.
However I can completely understand why they weren't. That is the context in which I responded to willie.
In the end, we are talking about team #68. The ones who missed out only have themselves to blame - they could have done more, but just didn't.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 09:12:37 AM
You are being too black and white. I'm talking shades of grey here. SJU, SHU and Oklahoma all had legit arguments for being in over Virginia. I wouldn't have had an argument against any of them.
However I can completely understand why they weren't. That is the context in which I responded to willie.
In the end, we are talking about team #68. The ones who missed out only have themselves to blame - they could have done more, but just didn't.
That's fair... I guess. But you started this out pretty black and white when you used, "obvious". lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 09:07:57 AM
Any expansion IMO can't take away from the first and second rounds on Thursday and Friday. That's why an expansion to 96, where the 9-24 seeds in each region play on Tuesday and Wednesday, is just a bad idea IMO.
Anything they do should try to generate the interest and urgency on a smaller scale - something like the NBA play-in games. For example, turn the conference champion play-in games to a Monday through Wednesday play in tournament for the eight worst conference champions for one spot. You could still have play-in games for the at-larges as well.
Something that will be fun for the die-hards to watch, but not take away from that first four-day weekend.
I read this weekend that the most likely scenario is expansion to 72 or 76. I read 80 max was being evaluated but there seemed to be a consensus at 72 or 76 by adding more play-in games only.
Per ESPN article:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39724097/ncaa-tournament-expansion-future-80-teams-march-madness
What if the NCAA tourney absorbs the NIT and expands to 100? The NIT tourney could essentially be used to play into the NCAA tourney proper.
I'm sure some will think that's too many, but it could be a way of expanding while giving new importance to the NIT (or just getting rid of it altogether!).
Has this been discussed/proposed at all or have I just been living under a rock?
Also, could include both conference regular season and tourney winners. This year there would've been 52 winners across 32 conferences and there'd be 48 at-larges available.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on March 19, 2024, 10:28:35 AM
Also, could include both conference regular season and tourney winners.
No expansion will include regular season winners, or any other teams from low level conferences. Why let a bunch of bad teams into the tournament?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2024, 10:03:33 AM
I read this weekend that the most likely scenario is expansion to 72 or 76. I read 80 max was being evaluated but there seemed to be a consensus at 72 or 76 by adding more play-in games only.
Per ESPN article:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39724097/ncaa-tournament-expansion-future-80-teams-march-madness
Short term yes. Would like to see what happens after 2032.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 10:30:15 AM
No expansion will include regular season winners, or any other teams from low level conferences. Why let a bunch of bad teams into the tournament?
Just keeping in spirit with the NIT up until this year. It's a pipe dream, I get it.
The only change that needs to be made to the NCAA tournament is to strip Dayton of having the exclusive rights to the first round. It makes no sense why it is always there.
The change I'd make is to make all 16 seeds play in games and put those games at the site of their first round game to minimize travel and so that their fans can easily attend both games. Let's be honest, the last four high majors in the first four to generate more interest has been a dud and an overall failure.
If expansion goes to 72, then do the same for the 15 seeds. If it goes to 80, then do the same for 13 and 14 seeds.
Whatever the case, there needs to be 64 teams remaining at the start of Thursday and from there the format needs to be remain the same.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
The only change that needs to be made to the NCAA tournament is to strip Dayton of having the exclusive rights to the first round. It makes no sense why it is always there.
The change I'd make is to make all 16 seeds play in games and put those games at the site of their first round game to minimize travel and so that their fans can easily attend both games.
The problem is that it is often difficult to reserve arenas for a couple extra days. Dayton is centrally located, gets fans to turn out for the games, and teams get chartered to their next location. It works.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
The only change that needs to be made to the NCAA tournament is to strip Dayton of having the exclusive rights to the first round. It makes no sense why it is always there.
The change I'd make is to make all 16 seeds play in games and put those games at the site of their first round game to minimize travel and so that their fans can easily attend both games. Let's be honest, the last four high majors in the first four to generate more interest has been a dud and an overall failure.
If expansion goes to 72, then do the same for the 15 seeds. If it goes to 80, then do the same for 13 and 14 seeds.
Whatever the case, there needs to be 64 teams remaining at the start of Thursday and from there the format needs to be remain the same.
I suspect those games would be played in front of minimal crowds in most locations. Dayton has a nice stadium and the crowd really turns out for those games to create a great atmosphere. Between that and central location as Sultan referenced, it is tough to beat.
I did not see previously. Big East statement.
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/18/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-on-ncaa-tournament-selections.aspx
BIG EAST Statement on NCAA Tournament Selections
We are very proud that UConn earned the No. 1 overall seed in this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament following another tremendous season that included both the Big East regular season and tournament titles. Marquette, a No. 2 seed, and Creighton, a No. 3 seed, give the Big East three of the top 10 overall seeds in the tournament, as many as any other league. We consider each of them legitimate contenders for a Final Four berth and another Big East national crown on April 8th.
These high seeds follow our most successful Big East Tournament to date, which saw five sellouts and our usual impassioned crowds at The World's Most Famous Arena. Our four-year extension with Madison Square Garden, announced on Friday, means that the event, a New York City staple, will celebrate its 50th anniversary at MSG in 2032, a run unmatched in the college basketball world.
We have great respect for the NCAA men's basketball committee and the time and effort that goes into selecting and seeding the teams for the NCAA tournament. It is a very challenging job, and we have been advised that this year's upsets added to the complexity and contributed to the committee's final bracket selections. Given the high level of play in our league, we are understandably very disappointed that some worthy Big East teams were not selected to participate. We will be working closely with our schools in the coming months to best position the Big East next year and to ensure that we continue to be represented in March Madness in a manner befitting our stature as one of the best conferences in college basketball.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2024, 11:04:23 AM
I did not see previously. Big East statement.
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/18/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-on-ncaa-tournament-selections.aspx
BIG EAST Statement on NCAA Tournament Selections
We are very proud that UConn earned the No. 1 overall seed in this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament following another tremendous season that included both the Big East regular season and tournament titles. Marquette, a No. 2 seed, and Creighton, a No. 3 seed, give the Big East three of the top 10 overall seeds in the tournament, as many as any other league. We consider each of them legitimate contenders for a Final Four berth and another Big East national crown on April 8th.
These high seeds follow our most successful Big East Tournament to date, which saw five sellouts and our usual impassioned crowds at The World's Most Famous Arena. Our four-year extension with Madison Square Garden, announced on Friday, means that the event, a New York City staple, will celebrate its 50th anniversary at MSG in 2032, a run unmatched in the college basketball world.
We have great respect for the NCAA men's basketball committee and the time and effort that goes into selecting and seeding the teams for the NCAA tournament. It is a very challenging job, and we have been advised that this year's upsets added to the complexity and contributed to the committee's final bracket selections. Given the high level of play in our league, we are understandably very disappointed that some worthy Big East teams were not selected to participate. We will be working closely with our schools in the coming months to best position the Big East next year and to ensure that we continue to be represented in March Madness in a manner befitting our stature as one of the best conferences in college basketball.
If that's all you're going to say I feel like it's not worth putting a statement out. If they wanted to put a breakdown highlighting top wins vs comparable bubble teams, or NET rankings, or any other argument you could make then I feel that would've been worth it but this is the most "I'm upset but ok we'll just try another day rather than ask for explanations"
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 19, 2024, 10:53:58 AM
The problem is that it is often difficult to reserve arenas for a couple extra days. Dayton is centrally located, gets fans to turn out for the games, and teams get chartered to their next location. It works.
Ok fine, I'll admit that I'd mostly just like to see their fans upset about losing the location versus any practical considerations.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2024, 11:07:45 AM
If that's all you're going to say I feel like it's not worth putting a statement out. If they wanted to put a breakdown highlighting top wins vs comparable bubble teams, or NET rankings, or any other argument you could make then I feel that would've been worth it but this is the most "I'm upset but ok we'll just try another day rather than ask for explanations"
IMO, the most important two lines are the last two. She's alluding to the fact that she saw what the Big 12 did and was rewarded for and will tell her schools to do the same if that is what makes a team tournament eligible. Playing a 300+ NCSOS to pad NET scores and get easy wins is what the strategy is.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2024, 11:10:19 AM
IMO, the most important two lines are the last two. She's alluding to the fact that she saw what the Big 12 did and was rewarded for and will tell her schools to do the same if that is what makes a team tournament eligible. Playing a 300+ NCSOS to pad NET scores and get easy wins is what the strategy is.
Yup. The related notice sent out to all BE schools will urge them to not let their walk ons play in the non con. Run that score up, baby.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
The change I'd make is to make all 16 seeds play in games and put those games at the site of their first round game to minimize travel and so that their fans can easily attend both games. Let's be honest, the last four high majors in the first four to generate more interest has been a dud and an overall failure.
If expansion goes to 72, then do the same for the 15 seeds. If it goes to 80, then do the same for 13 and 14 seeds.
I realize that I may be in the minority here -- but my preference would be exactly the opposite. I'd rather they throw the last eight (or 12, 16, etc.) at-large teams into the play-in games and let the automatic qualifiers start on Thursday with the field of 64. Let the little guys enjoy being in the "real" tournament rather than shipping them off to Dayton; make the bubble teams from the high major conferences fight it out for the right to play in the "real" tournament.
Someone on here posted that having the auto-qualifiers play that extra game was a way for the NCAA to help them get more money by having another game. Suffice it to say that I'm deeply skeptical of this explanation - history would suggest that when the NCAA claims they're looking out for the little guy...there's almost certainly something else going on. But, in the unlikely event that is true, it would be easy enough for the NCAA to increase the payment to
all the conference tournament winners from one-bid leagues (or all the conference tournament winners) to account for not having them play in the first four games. The NCAA's new-found largesse for the little guys could extend beyond just two teams each year.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 10:50:54 AM
Whatever the case, there needs to be 64 teams remaining at the start of Thursday and from there the format needs to be remain the same.
On this, we agree.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2024, 11:10:19 AM
IMO, the most important two lines are the last two. She's alluding to the fact that she saw what the Big 12 did and was rewarded for and will tell her schools to do the same if that is what makes a team tournament eligible. Playing a 300+ NCSOS to pad NET scores and get easy wins is what the strategy is.
Imagine this non-con home slate next year for MU (this was Oklahoma's, but pick most any other B12 team):
Central Michigan
Miss Valley State
Texas St
UT Rio Grande
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Providence
Green Bay
Central Arkansas
Monmouth
Very Creanesque
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 19, 2024, 11:26:54 AM
I realize that I may be in the minority here -- but my preference would be exactly the opposite.
I actually prefer the same as you. Just think it will go in a direction to minimize the little guys even more.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 19, 2024, 11:26:54 AM
I realize that I may be in the minority here -- but my preference would be exactly the opposite. I'd rather they throw the last eight (or 12, 16, etc.) at-large teams into the play-in games and let the automatic qualifiers start on Thursday with the field of 64. Let the little guys enjoy being in the "real" tournament rather than shipping them off to Dayton; make the bubble teams from the high major conferences fight it out for the right to play in the "real" tournament.
Someone on here posted that having the auto-qualifiers play that extra game was a way for the NCAA to help them get more money by having another game. Suffice it to say that I'm deeply skeptical of this explanation - history would suggest that when the NCAA claims they're looking out for the little guy...there's almost certainly something else going on. But, in the unlikely event that is true, it would be easy enough for the NCAA to increase the payment to all the conference tournament winners from one-bid leagues (or all the conference tournament winners) to account for not having them play in the first four games. The NCAA's new-found largesse for the little guys could extend beyond just two teams each year.
On this, we agree.
This is close to what I would like to see. I would also like to see a change in NET- stop rewarding beatdowns. Cap the margin of victory at a reasonable number.
Drop it back to 23. Al McGuire could barely make the Sweet 16 when it was 23 and when he did, he went to the Final 4 and blew it for his players 😂
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 11:27:27 AM
Imagine this non-con home slate next year for MU (this was Oklahoma's, but pick most any other B12 team):
Central Michigan
Miss Valley State
Texas St
UT Rio Grande
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Providence
Green Bay
Central Arkansas
Monmouth
Very Creanesque
We'd never play that schedule with Green Bay on it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2024, 11:10:19 AM
IMO, the most important two lines are the last two. She's alluding to the fact that she saw what the Big 12 did and was rewarded for and will tell her schools to do the same if that is what makes a team tournament eligible. Playing a 300+ NCSOS to pad NET scores and get easy wins is what the strategy is.
I'll also say, with even bigger mega conferences next season, there will be less room for OOC games. More so, even within conferences, this encourages more gaming presently (see English fouling at FF down big versus Pitino throwing in the towel too early.
Btw, most analytic services not named NET capped off blow outs over cupcakes in the last few years. See Haslam whose system is built on play by play data.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 19, 2024, 11:26:54 AM
I realize that I may be in the minority here -- but my preference would be exactly the opposite. I'd rather they throw the last eight (or 12, 16, etc.) at-large teams into the play-in games and let the automatic qualifiers start on Thursday with the field of 64. Let the little guys enjoy being in the "real" tournament rather than shipping them off to Dayton; make the bubble teams from the high major conferences fight it out for the right to play in the "real" tournament.
Someone on here posted that having the auto-qualifiers play that extra game was a way for the NCAA to help them get more money by having another game. Suffice it to say that I'm deeply skeptical of this explanation - history would suggest that when the NCAA claims they're looking out for the little guy...there's almost certainly something else going on. But, in the unlikely event that is true, it would be easy enough for the NCAA to increase the payment to all the conference tournament winners from one-bid leagues (or all the conference tournament winners) to account for not having them play in the first four games. The NCAA's new-found largesse for the little guys could extend beyond just two teams each year.
On this, we agree.
I had read some time ago that small conference auto-qualifiers don't mind the play-in games because they have a national audience by themselves and a chance for more than one game.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 11:38:15 AM
I actually prefer the same as you. Just think it will go in a direction to minimize the little guys even more.
I guess I misinterpreted your, "They change I'd make..." language to mean that was the change...you'd make.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2024, 12:04:51 PM
I had read some time ago that small conference auto-qualifiers don't mind the play-in games because they have a national audience by themselves and a chance for more than one game.
And because of logistics, this expanded play-in round could be hosted by the higher seed teams at home like the NIT.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2024, 12:04:51 PM
I had read some time ago that small conference auto-qualifiers don't mind the play-in games because they have a national audience by themselves and a chance for more than one game.
My guess is that different teams have different opinions. I can see it both ways. Wagner might prefer a much better chance at a second game, while Howard might prefer to play at one of the "regular" sites and a guaranteed chance to try to knock off UNC. Hell, even the same program might feel differently in successive years based upon their roster and other factors.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 19, 2024, 11:27:27 AM
Imagine this non-con home slate next year for MU (this was Oklahoma's, but pick most any other B12 team):
Central Michigan
Miss Valley State
Texas St
UT Rio Grande
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Providence
Green Bay
Central Arkansas
Monmouth
Very Creanesque
Sounds more like a Buzz schedule, but your point remains the same. If it gets Marquette off the bubble and into the tournament instead of losses to power conference schools then you do it 10 times out of 10. Play the game in front of you, not the one you wish to play.
X rallied at the end but lost to The Bulldogs in Athens. First losing season for Sean Miller.
Friars and The Bulldogs not helping the Big East cause with their losses to tonight
Hopefully the BE NIT teams were uninspired because their NIT showing was pathetic.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 19, 2024, 10:12:47 PM
Hopefully the BE NIT teams were uninspired because their NIT showing was pathetic.
Carter didnt play for Prov
I think this year has made clear beyond a reasonable doubt that NIT results do not matter. It's over for the NIT.
Butler gave it away late with 2 missed free throws (no matta) late by the best free throw shooter in the country and a bad turnover up one in the last minute. Dawson Garcia also took over down the stretch for MN.
Butler snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for sure. Tough look at home.
With all three BE teams going down in the NIT, maybe Val's low-key protest had just the right tone.
Edit: Tower's comment noted, but all teams are subject to star players not playing for any number of reasons. My point is that the BE's winless night in the first round of the NIT is embarrassing to the conference.
Would Carter have played in the NCAA tourney? He didn't in the NIT. Is Providence a better team with Carter?
Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 08:12:47 AM
Would Carter have played in the NCAA tourney? He didn't in the NIT. Is Providence a better team with Carter?
I hope willie is spamming PUScoop
Found this 80 team expansion proposal on Twitter. I think it's really innovative, which means the NCAA will never do it.
https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19
(https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19)
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 20, 2024, 08:43:31 AM
Found this 80 team expansion proposal on Twitter. I think it's really innovative, which means the NCAA will never do it.
https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19
(https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19)
I REALLY like this. It gets more good mid majors in but doesn't allow in regular season champs from the bottom tier leagues. Plus more high major bubble teams.
Why not expand the tourney AND make the NIT relevant again but awarding automatic bids to the final four teams from the previous season's NIT?.
It gives teams that just missed out on the NCAAs - and especially their coaches - a huge incentive to play in the NIT, and it makes the NIT a lot more competitive and interesting. A majority of those four teams are likely to be from P6 schools, so it keeps those conferences happy. And it doesn't take away any NCAA Tournament invites from smaller programs.
Yes, there's a chance previous year's NIT Final Four suck. That's fine. Just seed them in the teens.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 20, 2024, 10:18:41 AM
I REALLY like this. It gets more good mid majors in but doesn't allow in regular season champs from the bottom tier leagues. Plus more high major bubble teams.
I like it too. Though why not just continue to let ADs and Commissioners who don't watch games select additional teams arbitrarily especially when they may have financial interest in selecting certain teams over others?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 20, 2024, 08:43:31 AM
Found this 80 team expansion proposal on Twitter. I think it's really innovative, which means the NCAA will never do it.
https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19
(https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19)
They won't do it, not because its innovative, but because they are going to simply add more at-large spots. Expansion isn't about giving more bids to mid-major conferences.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 20, 2024, 08:43:31 AM
Found this 80 team expansion proposal on Twitter. I think it's really innovative, which means the NCAA will never do it.
https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19
(https://twitter.com/mpsever/status/1757479768805593350?t=fQRFHBoyS6T83vHN8YrD5A&s=19)
Bad math involved. 80 teams. Lowest 8 AQ & lowest 8 at-large play Tue/Wed. That's 8 games, so 8 teams eliminated. That leaves us at 72 teams, not 64.
The Hall is the only Big East squad left in NIT after their win. Game was played on Walsh Gymnasium on campus in front of a crowd of 1,233
Nova finished a very disappointing season for their fans with a loss to VCU
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 21, 2024, 08:12:59 AM
The Hall is the only Big East squad left in NIT after their win. Game was played on Walsh Gymnasium on campus in front of a crowd of 1,233
Nova finished a very disappointing season for their fans with a loss to VCU
Looked like a fun atmosphere
For Nova, when you lose to three of your Big 5 opponents - none of which were particularly good - you're fighting an uphill battle all season. Those losses set the tone for mediocrity, and it's hard to believe that Neptune's seat won't be quite warm next season.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 12:21:59 PM
For Nova, when you lose to three of your Big 5 opponents - none of which were particularly good - you're fighting an uphill battle all season. Those losses set the tone for mediocrity, and it's hard to believe that Neptune's seat won't be quite warm next season.
Villanova fans will be sending him to Neptune.
wrong thread
Excellent win for The Blue Jays over the Zips.
Could potentially match up against Dana Altman, their former Head Coach , now at Oregon. That would be a fun match up for their fans .
Excellent news for MU that Kentucky lost
Nah. Our path to a deep run has been KY. Bad omen!
Excellent win for U Conn. The Huskies basically have 4 straight home games.
Too bad Pitino couldn't bring Walter Clayton from Iona to The Johnnies. Would have had a helluva backcourt this year.
Big game for Bradley today
Solid win for The Hall in NIT today
Creighton has big challenge tonight with The Ducks
Blue Jays and Ducks pecking away at each other .
Excellent win for The Blue Jays. Winning a Double Over Time Tournament game gives them a lot of momentum.
McDermott had Kalkbrenner practicing 3s and it paid off
ESPN article describes McDermott and Altman relationship as "the reason the Bluejays are a mid-major power and a menace inside the brackets." The article then concludes, "Now one of the nation's most consistent winning teams, the Bluejays have outgrown any mid-major label." SMH
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 24, 2024, 07:39:32 AM
ESPN article describes McDermott and Altman relationship as "the reason the Bluejays are a mid-major power and a menace inside the brackets." The article then concludes, "Now one of the nation's most consistent winning teams, the Bluejays have outgrown any mid-major label." SMH
Saw that too. Very strange. Looks like ESPN took the AP article, then maybe someone at ESPN saw the gross misstatement and "fixed" it in the last paragraph.
AP sports articles have felt AI generated for years. This is not a big deal, but symptomatic of the state of AP sports reporting for a long time. We get what we pay (or don't pay) for.
2 Big East in Sweet 16. Need U Conn to complete The Trifecta
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 24, 2024, 01:37:52 PM
2 Big East in Sweet 16. Need U Conn to complete The Trifecta
They will.
Looks like U Conn will comfortably win tonight
Is excellent having 3 Big East Squads in The Sweet 16 2 years in a row.
We want Buzz to win this game
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2024, 08:31:20 AM
AP sports articles have felt AI generated for years. This is not a big deal, but symptomatic of the state of AP sports reporting for a long time. We get what we pay (or don't pay) for.
Let me tell you how AP sports articles work, WT, so you can be a little more informed.
Immediately after a game, the AP reporter files a quick story with the score and the details of the game. It is a "nothing-but-facts" account. Then the reporter goes to the press conferences and/or locker rooms, gets quotes from coaches and athletes, and returns to the press box. There, the reporter writes an updated article with a new angle, lots of quotes and additional perspective.
Just as a person who subscribes to a magazine has the option to read one article, 10 articles, the entire thing, parts of articles, etc, each newspaper or online publication that subscribes to the AP has the option to publish that first version, the updated version or just bits and pieces of articles.
For physical newspapers that still exist, their deadlines usually do not give them the time to publish the updated article. There is only so much space, also. The majority now, of course, are online. They often choose to only publish the original article, and often only the first couple/few paragraphs. They have the choice of updating what they publish with the new article, but many simply choose not to.
Just as some professors or dentists or politicians or engineers or (choose profession) are better than others, some AP reporters are better than others. Some are extraordinarily talented, producing outstanding work under the most extreme deadline pressure in the industry. To use an example you've heard of, Marquette's own Nancy Armour was a multiple-award-winning AP reporter before she left to become a columnist for USA Today. AP reporters have won many prestigious awards, including Pulitzer Prizes.
An AP reporter has absolutely no say about what gets published. So yes, if an online site or newspaper publishes only the first two paragraphs of the right-after-game article, it looks like something AI could have done. But I assure you that for every major sporting event - and by major, I mean every NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, golf, tennis, auto racing and major-college football and basketball game - an updated article also was written that AI couldn't have possibly replicated.
Many AP reporters also work on investigative journalism projects, in-depth feature articles, and the like. It is the world's largest news organization.
Solid media coverage of Big East
https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/sports/creighton-clips-oregon-in-2-ot-thriller-to-advance-into-sweet-16/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 25, 2024, 09:42:23 AM
Solid media coverage of Big East
https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/sports/creighton-clips-oregon-in-2-ot-thriller-to-advance-into-sweet-16/amp/
Wouldn't use this. New York Post was making up stories this past week. Can't believe anyone with a functioning brain cell would read that
Big East Coach's have a text group.
Coach Hurley commenting on only 3 teams.
https://www.espn.in/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39804746/big-east-undefeated-uconn-hurley-says-mistake-was-made
With Big East undefeated, UConn's Hurley says 'mistake was made'
Jordan Raanan, ESPN Staff Writer
Mar 25, 2024, 09:43 AM
NEW YORK -- Only three Big East teams made this year's NCAA tournament. After UConn's dominating 75-58 performance against Northwestern on Sunday at Barclays Center to cap its opening weekend, all three are into the Sweet 16.
Marquette beat Colorado 81-77 Sunday and Creighton outlasted Oregon 86-73 in double overtime Saturday to make it a perfect 6-0 for the conference.
It only further validates UConn coach Dan Hurley's belief that the Big East deserved to have more teams in the tournament.
"Obviously the mistake was made," Hurley said after the defending national champs won their eighth straight tournament game by double digits. "It sucks."
The NCAA tournament selection committee left out the next tier of Big East teams -- Seton Hall, St. John's and Providence. All three reached the 20-win plateau.
Instead, the committee selected two teams from the Mountain West and one each from the ACC and Big 12. The Mountain West sent six teams total.
Hurley and the rest of the Big East coaches, who have their own group chat, seem to have noticed. The Mountain West is 3-5 so far in the tournament. The Big 12 is 3-3.
Meanwhile, the Big East is the first conference to send at least three teams to the NCAA tournament and have none lose a game prior to the Sweet 16 since the SEC in 2014. Before that, it hadn't happened since the Big East in 2003.
"Just the quality of the league; look what we've done in nonconference games," Hurley said in defense of the Big East on Sunday. "I don't know what our record is the last two years, nonconference [multiteam events], NCAA tournament, and Seton Hall beat us by 15. You know, we've won eight straight in this tournament, all by significant margins, and they were good enough to beat us and they were good enough to beat Marquette.
"And there should have been five or six Big East teams in this tournament. You've seen how other leagues that got the bids that our league deserved has underperformed."
Big East commissioner Val Ackerman told reporters before UConn's win Sunday that the conference is still trying to figure out what went wrong with the selection committee.
"We have to abide by the committee's process," she said, according to college basketball broadcaster John Fanta. "Are we working behind the scenes to try to better understand what the committee is looking for? Yes, that is happening. But I don't think screaming at the top of my lungs is going to get us more teams."
For now, the thought process seems to be that the Big East teams having success in the tournament can only help moving forward. So they seem unified in rooting for each other's success.
Hurley said in his postgame news conference that the Big East coaches are offering their staunch support.
"Me, [Marquette coach Shaka Smart] and [Creighton coach Greg McDermott], we've got a group chat going, and the other coaches in our league, I saw [Providence coach] Kim [English] and [Seton Hall coach] Shaheen [Holloway], you know, with the full league group chat that we have got with the coaches. I know everyone is fired up to see us continue to push and rep the league at a high level," Hurley said. "I know Val is excited, too."
UConn remains a heavy favorite to repeat as national champ.
Eh...the Big East was top heavy. Hurley knows this but is playing the good soldier.
I disagree. The Big East's mid-tier is as good as any conference's mid-tier.
I look for Herman to post this tomorrow.
My only nit is that all of the teams were already high seeds. I imagine if Providence, Seton Hall, and Saint John's made the tourney the Big East would prob at best be 7-3 right now versus 6-0.
We will never know for sure but the top was very strong where the middle was just decent this year. Still think St. John's deserved a bid, but there were quite a few bid thieves this year.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 10:12:41 AM
I disagree. Their mid-tier is as good as any conference's mid-tier.
I look for Herman to post this tomorrow.
Both things seem true.
The Big East
was top-heavy, and teams like St. John's and Providence probably were more deserving than Virginia and TCU.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2024, 10:18:28 AM
Both things seem true.
The Big East was top-heavy, and teams like St. John's and Providence probably were more deserving than Virginia and TCU.
Virginia for sure.
But really I don't have much reason to think they were more deserving than anyone else who made the field. And conference record in the tournament isn't any sort of indication of that.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2024, 10:08:12 AM
Big East Coach's have a text group.
Coach Hurley commenting on only 3 teams.
https://www.espn.in/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39804746/big-east-undefeated-uconn-hurley-says-mistake-was-made
With Big East undefeated, UConn's Hurley says 'mistake was made'
Jordan Raanan, ESPN Staff Writer
Mar 25, 2024, 09:43 AM
NEW YORK -- Only three Big East teams made this year's NCAA tournament. After UConn's dominating 75-58 performance against Northwestern on Sunday at Barclays Center to cap its opening weekend, all three are into the Sweet 16.
Marquette beat Colorado 81-77 Sunday and Creighton outlasted Oregon 86-73 in double overtime Saturday to make it a perfect 6-0 for the conference.
It only further validates UConn coach Dan Hurley's belief that the Big East deserved to have more teams in the tournament.
"Obviously the mistake was made," Hurley said after the defending national champs won their eighth straight tournament game by double digits. "It sucks."
The NCAA tournament selection committee left out the next tier of Big East teams -- Seton Hall, St. John's and Providence. All three reached the 20-win plateau.
Instead, the committee selected two teams from the Mountain West and one each from the ACC and Big 12. The Mountain West sent six teams total.
Hurley and the rest of the Big East coaches, who have their own group chat, seem to have noticed. The Mountain West is 3-5 so far in the tournament. The Big 12 is 3-3.
Meanwhile, the Big East is the first conference to send at least three teams to the NCAA tournament and have none lose a game prior to the Sweet 16 since the SEC in 2014. Before that, it hadn't happened since the Big East in 2003.
"Just the quality of the league; look what we've done in nonconference games," Hurley said in defense of the Big East on Sunday. "I don't know what our record is the last two years, nonconference [multiteam events], NCAA tournament, and Seton Hall beat us by 15. You know, we've won eight straight in this tournament, all by significant margins, and they were good enough to beat us and they were good enough to beat Marquette.
"And there should have been five or six Big East teams in this tournament. You've seen how other leagues that got the bids that our league deserved has underperformed."
Big East commissioner Val Ackerman told reporters before UConn's win Sunday that the conference is still trying to figure out what went wrong with the selection committee.
"We have to abide by the committee's process," she said, according to college basketball broadcaster John Fanta. "Are we working behind the scenes to try to better understand what the committee is looking for? Yes, that is happening. But I don't think screaming at the top of my lungs is going to get us more teams."
For now, the thought process seems to be that the Big East teams having success in the tournament can only help moving forward. So they seem unified in rooting for each other's success.
Hurley said in his postgame news conference that the Big East coaches are offering their staunch support.
"Me, [Marquette coach Shaka Smart] and [Creighton coach Greg McDermott], we've got a group chat going, and the other coaches in our league, I saw [Providence coach] Kim [English] and [Seton Hall coach] Shaheen [Holloway], you know, with the full league group chat that we have got with the coaches. I know everyone is fired up to see us continue to push and rep the league at a high level," Hurley said. "I know Val is excited, too."
UConn remains a heavy favorite to repeat as national champ.
Big East Middle Tier deserved to be in tournament .
Unfortunately,The most important thing is to perform well in non conference. Hard to improve once everyone is in conference . That is the case for every conference.
Either win the Multi Team event or win at least two of the games , Beat the traditional rival , win at least one of the games in the Conference to Conference games, win a home and home game and destroy Cup cakes.
In most years Big East has performed to that formula well . I have been following closely since inception of this version of Big East. We have gotten a large number of teams in the tournament as a function of that formula.
This year, unfortunately non conference was worst since inception.
Nova losing The 3 Big 5 games was the most devastating . Nova was a good enough roster to beat quality opponents and also win conference games . So they hurt everyone when they won conference games but ostensibly got no credit because of all the Bad losses. The trickle down impact to the rest of the middle tier was meaningful.
X , which had an excuse due to losing Freemantle and Hunter, still had the two bad losses at home. Then they performed well against mid tier in conference kind of screwing everyone in the process.
The Hall could not put any good quality non con wins on the board and lost its rivalry game to Rutgers so stuck with a crappy NET all year. So despite Stellar Conference they lost on the musical chairs at the end
Johnnies bad loss to Michigan kept them suppressed for most of the season and not taking advantage of Dayton on a neutral court hurt as well
Providence not taking advantage of opportunity to beat K State when they still had Hopkins and getting blown out by Moser
Even Creighton two losses to Mountain West hurt the league cause
Better performance in non con would have kept Nova , Johnnies , The Friars and The Hall off the bubble and less susceptible to bid thieves. Also would have made it much harder for Mountain West to get so many teams in.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1772785995127144714
Very good news for X
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 26, 2024, 09:25:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1772785995127144714
Very good news for X
Excellent news . X should be competitive next year if Freemantle is healthy
Syracuse making headlines again, finally. ;D
Former SU basketball player Brendan Paul, alleged to be 'mule' for rapper Diddy, arrested in Miami. He was Buddy Boeheim's roommate.
https://x.com/syrbasketball/status/1772730254978580799?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Solid piling on on the internet:
Boeheim's players always knew how to take a charge.
To be fair, drug mule is one of the best jobs you can get as a Syracuse grad.
Seton Hall is committing abuse on UNLV
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 27, 2024, 07:14:22 PM
Seton Hall is committing abuse on UNLV
Excellent win for The Hall. Would be ironic if they ended up winning the tournament at Hinkle.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 27, 2024, 10:44:15 PM
Excellent win for The Hall. Would be ironic if they ended up winning the tournament at Hinkle.
Is an "NIT" win really an "excellent" win
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2024, 12:08:31 AM
Is an "NIT" win really an "excellent" win
It may have allowed them to keep Shaheen Holloway, so I guess that's...something.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2024, 12:08:31 AM
Is an "NIT" win really an "excellent" win
Yes. It gives them valuable tournament experience, which will help them next year.
Quote from: bilsu on March 28, 2024, 06:22:26 AM
Yes. It gives them valuable tournament experience, which will help them next year.
Just look how well that worked out for the Badgers.
Quote from: bilsu on March 28, 2024, 06:22:26 AM
Yes. It gives them valuable tournament experience, which will help them next year.
Against a bunch of QIII teams.
Quote from: bilsu on March 28, 2024, 06:22:26 AM
Yes. It gives them valuable tournament experience, which will help them next year.
Yeah, that's not really a thing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 28, 2024, 07:58:19 AM
Yeah, that's not really a thing.
Well, I could see Halloway back in the NIT next year. So they will have this experience to draw on.
Excellent win for U Conn. Helps The Big East Cause
Yes. It gets the Big East more credits.
Big East doing damage so far.
MU and Creighton screwed The Big East tonight.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 29, 2024, 11:30:36 PM
MU and Creighton screwed The Big East tonight.
Creighton lost to a team that was just a bit better than them; unfortunately that was not the case with us.
Excellent Win for U Conn. Another Well Deserved Final Four. Helps The Big East Cause.
First four games in Boston and New York. Home games.
Big East , Big Ten, ACC and SEC represented in Final Four. Hopefully, Big East wins again.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 31, 2024, 07:55:47 PM
Big East , Big Ten, ACC and SEC represented in Final Four. Hopefully, Big East wins again.
East coast bias. Guess Bama has the "regional" edge, followed by Purdue.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 31, 2024, 07:55:47 PM
Big East , Big Ten, ACC and SEC represented in Final Four. Hopefully, Big East wins again.
Would be Big East's 8th title since 2000. Big Ten has zero since 2000.
Excellent win for The Hall. Shaheen csn build off this.
Would be outstanding if Big East won NCAA and NIT in same season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2024, 09:24:37 PM
Excellent win for The Hall. Shaheen csn build off this.
Would be outstanding if Big East won NCAA and NIT in same season.
Not that it really matters given diminished state of NIT, but anyone now how often that happens (same conference wins both)?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2024, 09:24:37 PM
Excellent win for The Hall. Shaheen csn build off this.
Would be outstanding if Big East won NCAA and NIT in same season.
Agree, that would be nice. I have to wonder what that new tournament that was announced this week will do to the NIT? Not easy getting teams for the NIT as it is.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2024, 09:24:37 PM
Excellent win for The Hall. Shaheen csn build off this.
Would be outstanding if Big East won NCAA and NIT in same season.
He can't and won't
Winning the NIT is certainly better than losing in the NIT, so yes it's a good win.
Yeah, if you're gonna play in it, you might as well try to win it. I doubt it has much impact on next year however.
Shaheen has now shown that he can coach at a high major after the miracle run with St Peters, and showed it very quickly.
He has undoubtedly proven that his teams will be elite defensively and battle hard, and that alone can carry a team to tourney bids. He should've gotten one this year imo.
Hopefully for SH he doesn't jump ship for a big gig, but they will have to pay up. He's one of theirs, so they should.
After that, then it's a matter of recruiting well enough and being to navigate the landscape of elite BE coaches to take the next step.
Not sure they get there, but I'm pretty sure they will be competitive as long as he's there, so they should really try to keep him for a long time
Eh, 2 years and 2 NIT appearances has hardly sold me on him yet. If we had a team that started 5 Seniors and couldn't make the tourney, we'd all be worried. You can reload faster in today's game and a couple of guys may use their Covid years but I could easily see a step back for them next year.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2024, 09:05:11 AM
Shaheen has now shown that he can coach at a high major after the miracle run with St Peters, and showed it very quickly.
He has undoubtedly proven that his teams will be elite defensively and battle hard, and that alone can carry a team to tourney bids. He should've gotten one this year imo.
Hopefully for SH he doesn't jump ship for a big gig, but they will have to pay up. He's one of theirs, so they should.
After that, then it's a matter of recruiting well enough and being to navigate the landscape of elite BE coaches to take the next step.
Not sure they get there, but I'm pretty sure they will be competitive as long as he's there, so they should really try to keep him for a long time
Meh. He's 42-28 in 2 years, taking over a program that was in the NCAA Tournament the year he took over and was gifted one of the better players in the Big East.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 05, 2024, 09:40:49 AM
Eh, 2 years and 2 NIT appearances has hardly sold me on him yet. If we had a team that started 5 Seniors and couldn't make the tourney, we'd all be worried. You can reload faster in today's game and a couple of guys may use their Covid years but I could easily see a step back for them next year.
I agree. 2 years in the NIT should be considered an underachievement for any BIG East team.
Also Kim English getting an extension from Providence already seems wild. He had the Conference Player of the Year and got bumped in the 1st Round...of the NIT.
He did lose Bryce Hopkins and still managed to have a decent season. Also don't pay too much attention to extensions...they really don't mean much unless you know the buy-out language.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 05, 2024, 09:40:49 AM
You can reload faster in today's game and a couple of guys may use their Covid years but I could easily see a step back for them next year.
Most teams in the Big East will take a step back next year, UConn excepted:
Creighton: Scheierman done, Ashworth still in flux, Kalkbrenner considering the NBA
St. John's: Six grad students, so Pitino's back to the portal.
Villanova: Moore, Burton, and Hart are done, Dixon considering NBA.
Butler: Four senior starters. Do they all stay?
Xavier: Seven are now in the portal.
Georgetown: It's April, and four spaces are open. It's become a much tougher sell there.
DePaul: Lost all 13 players to the portal. That may not be much, but rebuilding takes time.
UConn easily could take "a step back," too.
For starters ... all the starters could be gone. Plus, once you've won two NCAA titles (or at worst one title and one FF appearance), the only way to take "a step forward" is by winning another title. And that'll be a tall order even for them.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 05, 2024, 09:40:49 AM
Eh, 2 years and 2 NIT appearances has hardly sold me on him yet. If we had a team that started 5 Seniors and couldn't make the tourney, we'd all be worried. You can reload faster in today's game and a couple of guys may use their Covid years but I could easily see a step back for them next year.
Some folks thought Wojo making the quarter finals in the NIT was a success. They would've wanted a parade for an NIT championship
Quote from: DFW HOYA on April 05, 2024, 12:42:50 PM
Most teams in the Big East will take a step back next year, UConn excepted:
Creighton: Scheierman done, Ashworth still in flux, Kalkbrenner considering the NBA
St. John's: Six grad students, so Pitino's back to the portal.
Villanova: Moore, Burton, and Hart are done, Dixon considering NBA.
Butler: Four senior starters. Do they all stay?
Xavier: Seven are now in the portal.
Georgetown: It's April, and four spaces are open. It's become a much tougher sell there.
DePaul: Lost all 13 players to the portal. That may not be much, but rebuilding takes time.
On paper it looks that way. However, let's see how the Portal NBA Draft Musical Chairs plays out .
Every other league has similar issues, as so many teams took advantage of the 5th and 6th year players out there.
I get the skepticism with Sha, all I'm saying is that it's been there every season and will continue to be there, but imo he's over-achieved expectations thus far and id consider him a good hire, not an average one.
I can't say the same for some of the other BE gigs that recently got filled, especially the one at Villanova.
I wouldn't have expected this, but as we sit here today I'd say I'm more confident in Sha and Kim succeeding at their stops than I am of Ed, Rick, Neptune, Matta. I know it's super early, but that to me means that they are doing a decent job so far as younger head coaches in a major basketball conference.
I think Sean Miller will do a good job at X if he stays out of trouble and sticks it out.
The good thing with Holloway is that it seems his teams can win a big game and play elite defense.
The bad news is that he needs to figure out how to not get blown out when they lose.
It was the blowouts that kept them out more than anything, via the metrics tumble
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2024, 07:02:29 PM
I get the skepticism with Sha, all I'm saying is that it's been there every season and will continue to be there, but imo he's over-achieved expectations thus far and id consider him a good hire, not an average one.
I can't say the same for some of the other BE gigs that recently got filled, especially the one at Villanova.
I wouldn't have expected this, but as we sit here today I'd say I'm more confident in Sha and Kim succeeding at their stops than I am of Ed, Rick, Neptune, Matta. I know it's super early, but that to me means that they are doing a decent job so far as younger head coaches in a major basketball conference.
I think Sean Miller will do a good job at X if he stays out of trouble and sticks it out.
The good thing with Holloway is that it seems his teams can win a big game and play elite defense.
The bad news is that he needs to figure out how to not get blown out when they lose.
It was the blowouts that kept them out more than anything, via the metrics tumble
It is worth noting Shaheen led The Hall to a 13-7 conference record this season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 05, 2024, 07:19:42 PM
It is worth noting Shaheen led The Hall to a 13-7 conference record this season.
Thanks Herman, glad you didn't let me forget that part.
Not sure if there's a thread for this, but a pretty weak call guaranteed Iowa's win in the women's tournament.
Yeah, I'd say it was technically a foul but that's a tough one to call at that time of the game.
Muhl played a helluva game on Clark.
Nice move by Geno getting her the ball on that last possession, I wouldn't liked to see her get a shot to win it.
Probably shoulda went to Beuckers to draw defenders and pass out for a "Marquette dreaded" midranger for the dub
Quote from: wisblue on April 05, 2024, 10:33:39 PM
Not sure if there's a thread for this, but a pretty weak call guaranteed Iowa's win in the women's tournament.
Watch it at full speed. Edwards side stepped a foot into the defender's path and threw an elbow. It was an obvious foul.
https://x.com/ncaabuzzerbters/status/1776458407178043400?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
And "let the players decide it" can't only apply to the players on offense. The defender also has to have their chance to decide it. If a moving screen is okay, what about grabbing the jersey? How about a trip? At what point does an obvious rules violation have to be called?
The answer is "when it's a foul" and that was definitely a foul. It doesn't look like it from the back court slow motion angle, but full speed straight on it's clear.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2024, 11:21:16 PM
Watch it at full speed. Edwards side stepped a foot into the defender's path and threw an elbow. It was an obvious foul.
https://x.com/ncaabuzzerbters/status/1776458407178043400?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
And "let the players decide it" can't only apply to the players on offense. The defender also has to have their chance to decide it. If a moving screen is okay, what about grabbing the jersey? How about a trip? At what point does an obvious rules violation have to be called?
The answer is "when it's a foul" and that was definitely a foul. It doesn't look like it from the back court slow motion angle, but full speed straight on it's clear.
If Marquette is in the National semis and Oso or Benny get called for that offensive foul you absolutely lose it.
Maybe it was "clear," but it wasn't clear enough to blow the whistle in the moment.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2024, 11:26:40 PM
If Marquette is in the National semis and Oso or Benny get called for that offensive foul you absolutely lose it.
Maybe it was "clear," but it wasn't clear enough to blow the whistle in the moment.
It's either a foul or not a foul (and it may not have been). But there isn't a separate rule book for the final seconds of close games.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2024, 11:26:40 PM
If Marquette is in the National semis and Oso or Benny get called for that offensive foul you absolutely lose it.
Maybe it was "clear," but it wasn't clear enough to blow the whistle in the moment.
100% was. And if it happens to Marquette, I'll be less likely to be objective, which the refs should be. It wasn't a close or questionable call when you watch it full speed, and it unquestionably impacted Gabby Marshall's ability to be part of the play.
Would it be okay if Edwards grabbed her jersey instead of extending the elbow? Or extending a leg and tripping her? Fully extend the arm and clothesline her? At what point does the offensive player trying to illegally impede the defender become too much?
I'd be willing to bet that a slight moving screen of that variety happens a ton of times at the end of games, massive in importance and not.
We wouldn't know it though, because you rarely see it called.
When you see that play called so rarely, and then called in the final 10s of a massive game, it just raises eyebrows.
Was it an offensive foul? Sure, maybe.
Do you see it called often, or really ever, unless completely egregious at any point in the game let alone in the most important stretch of the game? Nope.
Wasn't egregious enough to call imo, and I'd feel that way if Marquette got the benefit of the doubt on a call like that.
If Marquette was on the other end of that I'd completely lose my crap, and so would 99,9% of the people on this message board.
I'm usually one of the last to ever complain about the refs too, since I just don't think they usually make a difference in the result. That wasn't fair to the UConn squad though.
By the books it was a foul and she sold it. But a lot of contact by the books isn't called throughout any game.
I also thinks some of the "let them play" narrative online is a little over-the-top. You have to call obvious fouls end of game.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 06, 2024, 12:04:58 AM
I'd be willing to bet that a slight moving screen of that variety happens a ton of times at the end of games, massive in importance and not.
We wouldn't know it though, because you rarely see it called.
When you see that play called so rarely, and then called in the final 10s of a massive game, it just raises eyebrows.
Was it an offensive foul? Sure, maybe.
Do you see it called often, or really ever, unless completely egregious at any point in the game let alone in the most important stretch of the game? Nope.
Wasn't egregious enough to call imo, and I'd feel that way if Marquette got the benefit of the doubt on a call like that.
If Marquette was on the other end of that I'd completely lose my crap, and so would 99,9% of the people on this message board.
I'm usually one of the last to ever complain about the refs too, since I just don't think they usually make a difference in the result. That wasn't fair to the UConn squad though.
I noticed this morning all the reactions in the media from the sports world are universally the UConn ladies got robbed of a chance to win. Consensus seems maybe it was a foul and maybe it wasn't but because maybe it wasn't and definitely not egregious enough to be calling with 5 seconds left after the refs let a lot of plays go uncalled both directions the whole game.
I even read several comments that it is was the NCAA pushing for Caitlin Clark in the final. (Which I don't think is the case.)
Would have been a fantastic end of the game to see if UConn could make a basket or miss it.
I thought the one replay they showed the most wasn't a great angle. I thought you could still see her arms outside her body impeding the Iowa player though. The further view out showed her stick her leg out further to make sure she made contact. I think that made it look more obvious.
IMHO, the issue is not as simple as "It's either a foul or it isn't".
There are also questions about how similar plays have been called throughout the game, and the reality (right or wrong) that there is a tendency in all levels of basketball to let more things go at a stage of the game when blowing the whistle will essentially determine the outcome.
Because I only turned that game on after the Brewer game ended and remembered that it was going on, I don't know how many fouls like that were called. And because I rarely watch women's games at all I don't know if things like that are usually called.
But, the whistle there took away what would have been a much more satisfying finish, and to me was reminiscent of the kind of favorable calls that superstars and their teams got that turned me away from the NBA a long time ago. I have my doubts that the same call would have been made against Iowa in that situation.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 06, 2024, 07:29:05 AM
I thought the one replay they showed the most wasn't a great angle. I thought you could still see her arms outside her body impeding the Iowa player though. The further view out showed her stick her leg out further to make sure she made contact. I think that made it look more obvious.
Not even close. Terrible screen. Correct call.
There's "let them play" and then there's what that was. If UConn makes a bucket, Iowa fans would be irate and there is still controversy.
From earlier, where it's asked what happens if Marquette gets called for that foul, what happens if Marquette loses because no foul is called?
Quote from: wisblue on April 06, 2024, 07:55:29 AM
IMHO, the issue is not as simple as "It's either a foul or it isn't".
There are also questions about how similar plays have been called throughout the game, and the reality (right or wrong) that there is a tendency in all levels of basketball to let more things go at a stage of the game when blowing the whistle will essentially determine the outcome.
Because I only turned that game on after the Brewer game ended and remembered that it was going on, I don't know how many fouls like that were called. And because I rarely watch women's games at all I don't know if things like that are usually called.
But, the whistle there took away what would have been a much more satisfying finish, and to me was reminiscent of the kind of favorable calls that superstars and their teams got that turned me away from the NBA a long time ago. I have my doubts that the same call would have been made against Iowa in that situation.
"I don't watch women's basketball and haven't watched the NBA for a long time, but here's my conspiracy theory."
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2024, 07:58:02 AM
Not even close. Terrible screen. Correct call.
There's "let them play" and then there's what that was. If UConn makes a bucket, Iowa fans would be irate and there is still controversy.
From earlier, where it's asked what happens if Marquette gets called for that foul, what happens if Marquette loses because no foul is called?
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Quote from: lawdog77 on April 06, 2024, 08:19:20 AM
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It's text book for Providence, but still illegal 😂
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 06, 2024, 08:19:20 AM
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And she hopped about 4 feet out to get to that spot.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 06, 2024, 08:01:53 AM
"I don't watch women's basketball and haven't watched the NBA for a long time, but here's my conspiracy theory."
Scrappy little programs with no marquee players like UConn can never catch a break.
That was not a questionable call. That was an illegal screen. She jumped out late, was moving, had her feet WAY more than shoulder length apart and did that little chicken arm extension at the end. All illegal. Congrats to the ref for calling that.
That it got called with 5 seconds left in a one-point final four game and the ref not swallowing that whistle like they usually do in those situations is the only reason it is consider a questionable call. Why should the defender and her team be punished in that situation? She was trying to make a play and did nothing wrong.
Refs get blasted all the time. Kudos to them for making the right call.
UConn still had a chance but couldn't grab a rebound on a missed free throw where they could have called a timeout and advanced the ball to half court. Iowa deserved the win. No favoritisms.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 06, 2024, 08:01:53 AM
"I don't watch women's basketball and haven't watched the NBA for a long time, but here's my conspiracy theory."
I was referring to how the NBA was officiated a few decades ago when I did watch.
You didn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that the big stars like Dr J, Bird, and Magic that the league was trying to promote for favorable whistles.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2024, 08:39:24 AM
And she hopped about 4 feet out to get to that spot.
There was no hop. She's huge and has very long legs, she took one long step.
Most of us would've had to hop
Worth noting that when X won the NIT in 21-22 they followed up with a Sweet 16 the next season. So maybe Shaheen and The Hall can use their NIT Championship for similar momentum
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 06, 2024, 01:47:35 PM
Worth noting that when X won the NIT in 21-22 they followed up with a Sweet 16 the next season. So maybe Shaheen and The Hall can use their NIT Championship for similar momentum
They won't and you thinking they will is the clearest sign they won't.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2024, 01:51:04 PM
They won't and you thinking they will is the clearest sign they won't.
Ouch
Excellent win for U Conn and The Big East
Quote from: DoctorV on April 06, 2024, 01:14:38 PM
There was no hop. She's huge and has very long legs, she took one long step.
Most of us would've had to hop
Whatever was the right call the only thing anyone is talking about is the referees decided the game instead of the players. No one is talking about what was a great back and forth game. The call took that discussion away.
The Iowa players apparently were getting hate messages all day which isn't fair and very undeserved.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 06, 2024, 10:04:31 PM
Whatever was the right call the only thing anyone is talking about is the referees decided the game instead of the players. No one is talking about what was a great back and forth game. The call took that discussion away.
The Iowa players apparently were getting hate messages all day which isn't fair and very undeserved.
It was clearly the right call......Basketball should prevail.....Not Big East bully ball by some teams.....If it is a foul.....And clearly is was.....I give the ref credit for calling it.....How many times have we seen a ref swallow a whistle.....There should be no Marquette fan who tries to disparage the timing of the refs call....We have seen too many of those......
Quote from: burger on April 06, 2024, 10:32:50 PM
It was clearly the right call......Basketball should prevail.....Not Big East bully ball by some teams.....If it is a foul.....And clearly is was.....I give the ref credit for calling it.....How many times have we seen a ref swallow a whistle.....There should be no Marquette fan who tries to disparage the timing of the refs call....We have seen too many of those......
I agree....No question it was a foul....I don't understand why people are even questioning it....It was a hard foul....
Bensley Joseph transfers to The Friars. Was a key player on The Canes Final Four team
English beat out Pitino for this prospect
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/4/5/24122185/st-johns-transfer-target-bensley-joseph-commits-to-providence
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 06, 2024, 01:47:35 PM
Worth noting that when X won the NIT in 21-22 they followed up with a Sweet 16 the next season. So maybe Shaheen and The Hall can use their NIT Championship for similar momentum
Just as worth nothing that in the next season, North Texas won that NIT and they followed that up by going 19-15 (after going 31-7 the year before) and lost in the second round of the NIT. So maybe Shaheen and the Hall can use their NIT Championship for similar negative momentum.
Excellent win for U Conn and The Big East.
This Championship will help everyone's recruiting in the league . In addition, it provides a strong foundation for the upcoming Media Rights Negotiations with Fox Sports and Others.
Not exactly a shocker ... but officially buh-bye to Clingan. Several more Huskies to follow.
Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2024, 04:47:41 PM
Not exactly a shocker ... but officially buh-bye to Clingan. Several more Huskies to follow.
Providence picks up the same Big Man for the second time. In the article, Kim English says The Friars supporters will spend whatever is necessary to compete.
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2024/04/10/7-foot-center-christ-essandoko-commits-to-providence-again/73282315007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 12, 2024, 09:47:06 PM
Providence picks up the same Big Man for the second time. In the article, Kim English says The Friars supporters will spend whatever is necessary to compete.
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2024/04/10/7-foot-center-christ-essandoko-commits-to-providence-again/73282315007/
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 08:22:02 AM
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
Good luck with that
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 08:22:02 AM
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
I appreciate a bold prediction.
Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2024, 08:31:37 AM
I appreciate a bold prediction.
Worth the toilet paper it was written on. I have no clue where Creighton is headed this offseason as I haven't heard anything on Kalk yet but I assume he is gone.
Pitino has several portal visitors on the way
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1778904137523953735?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 08:22:02 AM
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
Up until his injury, Hopkins was not performing well. It may have helped team with him out as it put the ball squarely in Carter's hands.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 08:22:02 AM
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
If by early favorite you mean a top 7 BE team, yeah probably currently.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 13, 2024, 10:00:38 AM
If by early favorite you mean a top 7 BE team, yeah probably currently.
Your pick now (understanding everything is in flux)?
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on April 13, 2024, 09:04:15 AM
Up until his injury, Hopkins was not performing well.
What?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 13, 2024, 09:02:14 AM
Pitino has several portal visitors on the way
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1778904137523953735?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sleazeball Riclk just may compete for title in BEast. But punchable Hurley will just reload. He has the Midas touch.
MU needs major roster upgrades
Quote from: willie warrior on April 13, 2024, 01:04:20 PM
Sleazeball Riclk just may compete for title in BEast. But punchable Hurley will just reload. He has the Midas touch.
MU needs major roster upgrades
Quit eating lead paint
Quote from: willie warrior on April 13, 2024, 01:04:20 PM
Sleazeball Riclk just may compete for title in BEast. But punchable Hurley will just reload. He has the Midas touch.
MU needs major roster upgrades
You don't reload a Clingan.
Article in today's Cincinnati Enquirer that Zach Freemantle confirmed to return next season.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2024/04/12/xavier-forward-zach-freemantle-will-return-to-musketeers-next-season/73306421007/
Xavier forward Zach Freemantle will return to the Musketeers next season
Quote from: willie warrior on April 13, 2024, 01:04:20 PM
Sleazeball Riclk just may compete for title in BEast. But punchable Hurley will just reload. He has the Midas touch.
MU needs major roster upgrades
Your insight has all of Scoop tumescent, Dung Willie
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 13, 2024, 03:08:10 PM
Article in today's Cincinnati Enquirer that Zach Freemantle confirmed to return next season.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2024/04/12/xavier-forward-zach-freemantle-will-return-to-musketeers-next-season/73306421007/
Xavier forward Zach Freemantle will return to the Musketeers next season
This is Excellent news for X
Quote from: mugrad_89 on April 13, 2024, 02:51:55 PM
You don't reload a Clingan.
We will see next season. You don't reload a Kolek either. So Shaka needs to giddyup.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 08:22:02 AM
With Hopkins returning, PC has to be an early favorite to win the Big East as it stands today. Kim's philosophy is all portal, all the time.
HAHAHAHHAA
WHAT?
They didn't even make the tournament with the Big East POY and you think they are just gonna win the Big East with their best player coming back from ACL surgery?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 13, 2024, 08:45:01 PM
We will see next season. You don't reload a Kolek either. So Shaka needs to giddyup.
True enlightenment falls gracefully from your lips, like guano from a diarrhetic condor, Dung Willie
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2024, 10:37:24 AM
Your pick now (understanding everything is in flux)?
Your pick currently of Prov being a BE favorite is insane
Slick Rick immediately accepted Popes challenge of a home and home with UK
Good scheduling
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 15, 2024, 11:54:43 AM
Slick Rick immediately accepted Popes challenge of a home and home with UK
Good scheduling
Gutsy by Pope. If they lose the home game, that won't make it any easier for Pope to gain support from the fans.
Gtown closing in on getting Malik Mack
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 15, 2024, 11:54:43 AM
Slick Rick immediately accepted Popes challenge of a home and home with UK
Good scheduling
Smart Move
https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/sports/rick-pitino-says-st-johns-accepts-kentucky-offer-for-home-and-home/
Is Oduro out of eligibility or is the human moving screen back as well?
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on April 17, 2024, 03:05:58 PM
Is Oduro out of eligibility or is the human moving screen back as well?
He's done, I believe.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 17, 2024, 03:36:29 PM
He's done, I believe.
Good. They need dirty players in Europe or Asia, too.
Providence and Oregon the reported frontrunners for UW-Milwaukee star BJ Freeman
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on April 17, 2024, 11:14:56 PM
Providence and Oregon the reported frontrunners for UW-Milwaukee star BJ Freeman
Speaking of Oregon, kind of surprised Altman is still the coach. The PAC12 tournament saved his job I guess. He may not be long for the the B10.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 18, 2024, 08:47:00 AM
Speaking of Oregon, kind of surprised Altman is still the coach. The PAC12 tournament saved his job I guess. He may not be long for the the B10.
What? Surprised he's still the coach? He's been to 7 Sweet 16s in the last 11 years (not including 2020 when there was no Tourney, but his team was ranked 13 in the Final AP poll so could very easily have been 8 of the past 12), including a Final Four and an Elite Eight. He won a Tourney game this year, and was in overtime in the 2nd round. He's been an awesome coach for a very long time, but is cut of the same cloth as Tom Izzo.
I am more surprised because there was a lot of talk he was going to retire.
Lots of internal activity for The Blue Jays
https://hurrdatsports.com/creighton-mens-basketball/2024-creighton-mens-basketball-offseason-primer/
There been any whisperings about Richmond or Wusu? I believe both still have a Covid year should they choose, but if neither does, Sha could be in a world or hurt. Lose 5 starters and as far as I can tell no incoming transfers yet.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2024, 12:16:50 PM
There been any whisperings about Richmond or Wusu? I believe both still have a Covid year should they choose, but if neither does, Sha could be in a world or hurt. Lose 5 starters and as far as I can tell no incoming transfers yet.
Kadary Richmond? Rumor was he was gonna portal but now might've changed his mind
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 18, 2024, 08:47:00 AM
Speaking of Oregon, kind of surprised Altman is still the coach. The PAC12 tournament saved his job I guess. He may not be long for the the B10.
This is a wild comment. Dana Altman has been one of the most successful coaches in America over the last 10-15 years.
Nationally may have been more under the radar because the PAC-12 was such a dumpster fire on marketing their league, but still an incredible coach.
Xavier adds Toledo transfer Dante Maddox. 15.6 ppg last year.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1781065955348500975?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Karaban declares while maintaining eligibility.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2024, 04:08:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1781065955348500975?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Karaban declares while maintaining eligibility.
It totally makes sense to get the NBA evaluation.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 18, 2024, 09:05:09 AM
What? Surprised he's still the coach? He's been to 7 Sweet 16s in the last 11 years (not including 2020 when there was no Tourney, but his team was ranked 13 in the Final AP poll so could very easily have been 8 of the past 12), including a Final Four and an Elite Eight. He won a Tourney game this year, and was in overtime in the 2nd round. He's been an awesome coach for a very long time, but is cut of the same cloth as Tom Izzo.
Not arguing with anything you point out. There was some chatter about him stepping down (not so voluntarily) late in the season when it was clear they would not make the tournament. The chatter went so far as to speculate on replacements.
I don't follow Oregon to know much, but maybe they expect more there. (The stain of losing to Wojo in 2018 is hard to wash off :D)
Malik Mack = Excellent Pickup for Mr. Cooley
https://www.casualhoya.com/2024/4/17/24128022/hoya-saxa-transfer-guard-malik-mack-commits-to-georgetown-hoyas-ed-cooley-oxon-hill-transfer-harvard
Why does the Georgetown coach's father want Malik Mack?
Dante Maddox Jr. going through his commitment to X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUdI4Xqt9hc
Looks like The Johnnies have a commitment from a Mystery Player
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1782045000143966554?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Battle of Pitinos at The Garden
https://www.abqjournal.com/sports/pitino-vs-pitino-in-the-garden-lobo-basketball-will-play-st-johns-in-new-york/article_28f56fdc-fb9a-11ee-b7ac-1b575ebdb6cb.html
Wusu to the portal. Sha better have a few big names coming in.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 22, 2024, 04:02:06 PM
Wusu to the portal. Sha better have a few big names coming in.
I wonder if Kadary is next. Not much left on that team.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 22, 2024, 04:02:06 PM
Wusu to the portal. Sha better have a few big names coming in.
They're going to lose all that valuable NIT experience
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2024, 04:53:52 PM
They're going to lose all that valuable NIT experience
Don't they realize they'll miss the NIT banner raising ceremony?
Why is everyone leaving Shaheen?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2024, 08:02:33 PM
Why is everyone leaving Shaheen?
He hasn't made the tournament at Seton Hall yet and their NIL is probably not comparable to the rest of the league.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2024, 08:17:35 PM
He hasn't made the tournament at Seton Hall yet and their NIL is probably not comparable to the rest of the league.
He also likes to publically talk down his players, can only imagine what he says privately
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 21, 2024, 09:23:01 AM
Looks like The Johnnies have a commitment from a Mystery Player
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1782045000143966554?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Vince Iwuchukwu- USC center
UConn and Texas finalizing a home and home starting next season in Austin then back to CT in 2025-26
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on April 23, 2024, 01:38:32 PM
UConn and Texas finalizing a home and home starting next season in Austin then back to CT in 2025-26
UCONN to the SEC
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2024, 10:08:17 AM
He also likes to publically talk down his players, can only imagine what he says privately
I was lucky enough to sit by their bench when we played them in Milwaukee. The contrast between his demeanor and Shaka's is night and day. I don't see him having much success there.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 23, 2024, 02:06:54 PM
I was lucky enough to sit by their bench when we played them in Milwaukee. The contrast between his demeanor and Shaka's is night and day. I don't see him having much success there.
He has Jeff Goodman on speed dial and the valuable experience of winning the NIT this year should help a lot next season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2024, 02:58:27 PM
He has Jeff Goodman on speed dial and the valuable experience of winning the NIT this year should help a lot next season
Especially with transfers and graduation leaving only one starter left right now in Richmond who will likely declare for the draft.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on April 23, 2024, 10:46:31 AM
Vince Iwuchukwu- USC center
https://nypost.com/2024/04/23/sports/st-johns-lands-usc-center-vince-iwuchukwu-in-transfer-portal/
Shaheen should have job jumped while he could. He's a good coach, but the resources at SHU are pretty bad.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2024, 01:47:24 PM
Shaheen should have job jumped while he could. He's a good coach, but the resources at SHU are pretty bad.
Agreed completely. Very curious if Louisville wised up and moved on or if Shaheen pulled his own name out of the search.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2024, 01:49:42 PM
Agreed completely. Very curious if Louisville wised up and moved on or if Shaheen pulled his own name out of the search.
It's strange. I think he has some loyalty to the program, which is admirable. Plus he kind of just got there. But if they're not repaying that loyalty with resources he should recognize that and move on.
Personal opinion, I think he's one of the most overrated coaches in college basketball. Outside of a wildly unexpected Elite 8 run and an NIT title, he's been mediocre his entire career. But because of the outsized importance that is placed on March results, people think he's a blossoming star.
In non-con play those two seasons, his teams went 0-7 against top-100 non-con opponents to start the year, but in March they went a combined 8-1. Yet no one treats those records anything close to the .500 they are because we overvalue March. I think he's an average at best coach who is outspoken and because of that a media darling.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2024, 02:26:19 PM
Personal opinion, I think he's one of the most overrated coaches in college basketball. Outside of a wildly unexpected Elite 8 run and an NIT title, he's been mediocre his entire career. But because of the outsized importance that is placed on March results, people think he's a blossoming star.
In non-con play those two seasons, his teams went 0-7 against top-100 non-con opponents to start the year, but in March they went a combined 8-1. Yet no one treats those records anything close to the .500 they are because we overvalue March. I think he's an average at best coach who is outspoken and because of that a media darling.
I agree with this as well, even though many do not hold this opinion.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2024, 02:26:19 PM
Personal opinion, I think he's one of the most overrated coaches in college basketball. Outside of a wildly unexpected Elite 8 run and an NIT title, he's been mediocre his entire career. But because of the outsized importance that is placed on March results, people think he's a blossoming star.
In non-con play those two seasons, his teams went 0-7 against top-100 non-con opponents to start the year, but in March they went a combined 8-1. Yet no one treats those records anything close to the .500 they are because we overvalue March. I think he's an average at best coach who is outspoken and because of that a media darling.
Totally agree.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2024, 02:26:19 PM
Personal opinion, I think he's one of the most overrated coaches in college basketball. Outside of a wildly unexpected Elite 8 run and an NIT title, he's been mediocre his entire career. But because of the outsized importance that is placed on March results, people think he's a blossoming star.
In non-con play those two seasons, his teams went 0-7 against top-100 non-con opponents to start the year, but in March they went a combined 8-1. Yet no one treats those records anything close to the .500 they are because we overvalue March. I think he's an average at best coach who is outspoken and because of that a media darling.
The experience that team got winning the NIT will be invaluable in the Big East next year
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2024, 02:26:19 PM
Personal opinion, I think he's one of the most overrated coaches in college basketball. Outside of a wildly unexpected Elite 8 run and an NIT title, he's been mediocre his entire career. But because of the outsized importance that is placed on March results, people think he's a blossoming star.
In non-con play those two seasons, his teams went 0-7 against top-100 non-con opponents to start the year, but in March they went a combined 8-1. Yet no one treats those records anything close to the .500 they are because we overvalue March. I think he's an average at best coach who is outspoken and because of that a media darling.
That is how the game is played . Perform in March and be quotable will endear a Head Coach to the Media especially in NY. Shaheen is also gritty. That is the type of player that The Hall typically recruits
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/seton-hall-feels-disrespected-on-every-level-after-march-madness-snub/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 26, 2024, 12:37:07 PM
That is how the game is played . Perform in March and be quotable will endear a Head Coach to the Media especially in NY. Shaheen is also gritty. That is the type of player that The Hall typically recruits
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/seton-hall-feels-disrespected-on-every-level-after-march-madness-snub/amp/
Good. Keep him in Jersey. Makes the league easier
St. John's trying to end the NCAA's eligibility limits after two of their players got denied an additional year. I guess if one judge ruled that NIL is more important than a sexual assault charge then nothing it off the table when one claims NIL earnings:
https://twitter.com/WinterSportsLaw/status/1783908006893064518?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1783908006893064518%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2024, 02:25:37 PM
St. John's trying to end the NCAA's eligibility limits after two of their players got denied an additional year. I guess if one judge ruled that NIL is more important than a sexual assault charge then nothing it off the table when one claims NIL earnings:
https://twitter.com/WinterSportsLaw/status/1783908006893064518?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1783908006893064518%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Is this the summer the other shoe drops?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2024, 02:25:37 PM
St. John's trying to end the NCAA's eligibility limits after two of their players got denied an additional year. I guess if one judge ruled that NIL is more important than a sexual assault charge then nothing it off the table when one claims NIL earnings:
https://twitter.com/WinterSportsLaw/status/1783908006893064518?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1783908006893064518%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
This feels like a silly and frivolous lawsuit. It wasn't a fifth year of eligibility, it was that the 2020-21 season wasn't counted against the 4 seasons of eligibility. Ledlum and Dingle both already got their fifth years of eligibility this past year. Four full seasons, plus whatever happened in 2020-21. Same as everyone else. It's not the NCAAs fault their schools didn't schedule any games for them in 2020-21.
I get their frustration. My understanding of the spirit of the COVID year was to give players an extra year because COVID screwed up the 20-21 season. I'd argue that the Ivy League players were more screwed by COVID than anyone else. That being said, the letter of the law trumps the spirit of the law most times in lawsuits so I don't think this will go their way.
Arguably best shooter in the 2024 HS class and recent Indiana decommit Liam McNeeley commits to UConn.
UConn needed the help.
He will probably be on one of the all BE teams, frosh of the year, and a top 15 pick.
Hope I'm wrong but smart choice by that kid- follow the winners, especially when there's a ton of minutes to be had.
I'd also handicap UConn as favorite to win the BE agains, and I'm sure Hurley has a lot more talent still coming.
I'm not impressed with UConn at all. Hurley hasn't won any kind of title for weeks now!
Trey Alexander going pro.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on April 27, 2024, 12:29:35 PM
Trey Alexander going pro.
Should get Kalkbrenner decision soon
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 01:22:25 PM
Should get Kalkbrenner decision soon
My sense is he's coming back.
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 05:47:31 PM
UConn needed the help.
Koby Brea from Dayton cancelled his visit to Duke while visiting UConn. Safe to say he'll be joining the Huskies.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 27, 2024, 03:04:27 PM
Koby Brea from Dayton cancelled his visit to Duke while visiting UConn. Safe to say he'll be joining the Huskies.
Obviously not the same player, but pretty easy for Danny to say "hey kid, look what Cam Spencer did here in our system, and how successful he was."
Success begets success, winning brings winning.
For Hurley, it's the ultimate level of success in short order, what Jay Wright did in Nova and what he hope Shaka could accomplish at some point here.
I love the system we have in place, it's a dream compared to prior ways, but Shaka winning even 1 natty would seem like a dream, let alone B2b.
What Hurley is doing seems like Heaven.
I suppose Shaka has to stay the course and keep his system and style in place until the breakthrough comes.
It'll be interesting to see what comes first- him going short fix/all in portaling in certain years in a reach to win it all, or the ultimate success with high level studs begging to come to Marquette and Shaka having to decide between staying the course with the next few years crop or making the move to add some of the "elites."
It's a good problem to have, Marquette and Shaka just need the breakthrough.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 27, 2024, 03:32:55 PM
Obviously not the same player, but pretty easy for Danny to say "hey kid, look what Cam Spencer did here in our system, and how successful he was."
Success begets success, winning brings winning.
For Hurley, it's the ultimate level of success in short order, what Jay Wright did in Nova and what he hope Shaka could accomplish at some point here.
I love the system we have in place, it's a dream compared to prior ways, but Shaka winning even 1 natty would seem like a dream, let alone B2b.
What Hurley is doing seems like Heaven.
I suppose Shaka has to stay the course and keep his system and style in place until the breakthrough comes.
It'll be interesting to see what comes first- him going short fix/all in portaling in certain years in a reach to win it all, or the ultimate success with high level studs begging to come to Marquette and Shaka having to decide between staying the course with the next few years crop or making the move to add some of the "elites."
It's a good problem to have, Marquette and Shaka just need the breakthrough.
Doctor V:
I think Shaka system is one that fits MU circumstances well. MU can compete well on signing 4 year players and coaching them up so by the time they are juniors and seniors they are able to make big contributions to winning. The NIL dollars are available to support that kind of program.
At this point Transfers will come in if Shaka and staff recruit someone that clearly doesn't work out , there is a major injury or if someone leaves early and there is no one in the internal pipeline to replace. For example , if it appeared that Jones The Younger had to sit out another season to become healthy, maybe Shaka brings in a one year point guard rental.
If one looks at the pool of available transfers in any given year how many are there , after guys looking for a bag , that are meaningfully better than what we already have?
X seems to be able to get transfers year after year
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2024/4/27/24142992/former-long-beach-state-forward-lassina-traore-commits-to-xavier
lol. Yes. When almost your entire team transfers out, you are likely to get transfers in.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 27, 2024, 06:23:05 PM
lol. Yes. When almost your entire team transfers out, you are likely to get transfers in.
In Herm's defense, he's an idiot
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 27, 2024, 06:33:27 PM
In Herm's defense, he's an idiot
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Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 06:21:11 PM
X seems to be able to get transfers year after year
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2024/4/27/24142992/former-long-beach-state-forward-lassina-traore-commits-to-xavier
They do. Because last year's team underperformed and most did not want to run it back. Is that preferable to returning everyone and stability?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 27, 2024, 06:33:27 PM
In Herm's defense, he's an idiot
Don't be an anti-deadite.
Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2024, 07:13:47 PM
Don't be an anti-deadite.
Herm is making Marquette fans look like idiots
Quote from: Viper on April 27, 2024, 07:44:25 PM
🙄
True, he didn't say Kolek won't play in the NBA
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2024, 07:13:31 PM
They do. Because last year's team underperformed and most did not want to run it back. Is that preferable to returning everyone and stability?
No it is not preferable .
Creighton picks up Pop Isaacs from Texas Tech to replace Trey Alexander. Nice get for The Blue Jays
https://www.wowt.com/2024/04/27/creighton-basketball-lands-texas-tech-transfer-pop-isaacs/?outputType=amp
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 05:58:29 PM
Doctor V:
I think Shaka system is one that fits MU circumstances well. MU can compete well on signing 4 year players and coaching them up so by the time they are juniors and seniors they are able to make big contributions to winning. The NIL dollars are available to support that kind of program.
At this point Transfers will come in if Shaka and staff recruit someone that clearly doesn't work out , there is a major injury or if someone leaves early and there is no one in the internal pipeline to replace. For example , if it appeared that Jones The Younger had to sit out another season to become healthy, maybe Shaka brings in a one year point guard rental.
If one looks at the pool of available transfers in any given year how many are there , after guys looking for a bag , that are meaningfully better than what we already have?
Haha this was a very fair comment and then immediately after you dropped the traore to X link.
There aren't many is the answer.
There are plenty of good options is the other answer.
See: Hurley, Dan at University of Connecticut.
I know he's the elixir, but those guys he brought in last year were absolutely as perfect as it gets for what he was looking to do.
Of course it helps when you get top 10 portallers like Cam Spencer or Dalton Knecht when you're trying to win a ship
Seton Hall getting Gus Yalden from Wisconsin. Seriously.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 27, 2024, 06:23:05 PM
lol. Yes. When almost your entire team transfers out, you are likely to get transfers in.
unless you are Wisconsin.
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2024, 08:53:54 PM
Seton Hall getting Gus Yalden from Wisconsin. Seriously.
I hear he's getting $8.4M in NIL.
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2024, 08:53:54 PM
Seton Hall getting Gus Yalden from Wisconsin. Seriously.
He and Sha may have a short relationship. Then again, Gus's relationships are always short.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2024, 07:37:12 AM
I hear he's getting $8.4M in NIL.
Based on his freshman year, is it fair to speculate what he is spending it on?
Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2024, 08:53:54 PM
Seton Hall getting Gus Yalden from Wisconsin. Seriously.
Sha=Disciplinarian
Sha also picked up Scotty Middleton from The Buckeyes
https://www.on3.com/news/ohio-state-transfer-combo-guard-scotty-middleton-commits-to-seton-hall/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 08:19:44 PM
Creighton picks up Pop Isaacs from Texas Tech to replace Trey Alexander. Nice get for The Blue Jays
https://www.wowt.com/2024/04/27/creighton-basketball-lands-texas-tech-transfer-pop-isaacs/?outputType=amp
It's a nice pickup but still a downgrade from Alexander.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 27, 2024, 03:32:55 PM
Obviously not the same player, but pretty easy for Danny to say "hey kid, look what Cam Spencer did here in our system, and how successful he was."
Success begets success, winning brings winning.
For Hurley, it's the ultimate level of success in short order, what Jay Wright did in Nova and what he hope Shaka could accomplish at some point here.
I love the system we have in place, it's a dream compared to prior ways, but Shaka winning even 1 natty would seem like a dream, let alone B2b.
What Hurley is doing seems like Heaven.
I suppose Shaka has to stay the course and keep his system and style in place until the breakthrough comes.
It'll be interesting to see what comes first- him going short fix/all in portaling in certain years in a reach to win it all, or the ultimate success with high level studs begging to come to Marquette and Shaka having to decide between staying the course with the next few years crop or making the move to add some of the "elites."
It's a good problem to have, Marquette and Shaka just need the breakthrough.
Yes, UCONN continues to widen the gap. Now we can have the haters here descend with the name calling because somebody objectively points out the obvious. Hater namecallers like Hardon Alumni., etc.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on April 28, 2024, 10:59:32 AM
It's a nice pickup but still a downgrade from Alexander.
Also looks like Pop is coming off hip labrum surgery. Has two years of eligibility.
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/article/jays-add-pop-isaacs-from-transfer-portal-231103404/amp/
Quote from: willie warrior on April 28, 2024, 11:29:37 AM
Yes, UCONN continues to widen the gap. Now we can have the haters here descend with the name calling because somebody objectively points out the obvious. Hater namecallers like Hardon Alumni., etc.
Like the lotus flower you open your thoughts to us one petal at a time, Dung Willie
The king of Scoop name-callers calls others out for name-calling. The lack of self-awareness is precious.
Good news for Butler with Finley Bizjack opting to return. The kid has his best game of the season against us at Hinkle. He'll likely start at the point, replacing Posh.
https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1784682159803896152?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Aaron Scott Excellent defensive minded pick up for Pitino and The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/sports/st-johns-lands-aaron-scott-from-north-texas-in-transfer-portal/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 28, 2024, 04:10:23 PM
Good news for Butler with Finley Bizjack opting to return. The kid has his best game of the season against us at Hinkle. He'll likely start at the point, replacing Posh.
https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1784682159803896152?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Word is he got a $12.2 million NIL deal.
U Conn picks up highly regarded 2024 Prospect
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40032229/liam-mcneeley-no-9-overall-recruit-2024-chooses-uconn
Kalk listed as an early entrant in the draft. Still can withdraw, but he's testing waters again. If he goes, I think Creighton's preseason hype drops drastically.
Quote from: zcg2013 on April 30, 2024, 10:29:50 AM
Kalk listed as an early entrant in the draft. Still can withdraw, but he's testing waters again. If he goes, I think Creighton's preseason hype drops drastically.
They'll be overrated if he stays. Underrated if he leaves.
Rams head coach Sean McVay on Shaka Smart: https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1785354412283568622
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on April 30, 2024, 12:12:28 PM
Rams head coach Sean McVay on Shaka Smart: https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1785354412283568622
Love this. We got a good one. And its pretty cool multiple NFL coaches are associated with Shaka as well.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on April 30, 2024, 12:12:28 PM
Rams head coach Sean McVay on Shaka Smart: https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1785354412283568622
Sure, but what does he know?
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on April 30, 2024, 12:12:28 PM
Rams head coach Sean McVay on Shaka Smart: https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1785354412283568622
Meh. He's a football coach, what does he know? Besides, all of that gobbledygook gets MU no closer to that dead eye shooting, experienced 7 ft point guard that would push MU over the top.
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2024, 12:20:36 PM
Meh. He's a football coach, what does he know? Besides, all of that gobbledygook gets MU no closer to that dead eye shooting, experienced 7 ft point guard that would push MU over the top.
Your point above is true, but I do not think its ever a bad thing to get your name out there. You never know if there is a dead eye shooter in high school watching these press conferences.
I think the shout out is awesome. Channeling my inner Martyr Reeves and the Waaah-ndellas.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 30, 2024, 12:18:19 PM
Love this. We got a good one. And its pretty cool multiple NFL coaches are associated with Shaka as well.
Puts us in a position to get some real aircraft carriers, does it not?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 30, 2024, 02:06:47 PM
Puts us in a position to get some real aircraft carriers, does it not?
Do Julius Peppers or Tony Gonzalez still have eligibility?
Quote from: zcg2013 on April 30, 2024, 10:29:50 AM
Kalk listed as an early entrant in the draft. Still can withdraw, but he's testing waters again. If he goes, I think Creighton's preseason hype drops drastically.
https://whiteandbluereview.com/kalkbrenner-enters-2024-nba-draft-but-maintains-eligibility/
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2024, 07:37:12 AM
I hear he's getting $8.4M in NIL.
of course, he's from Appleton, and they need to give him big dollars to pry him away from Shaka...
Kalkbrenner back is excellent news for Blue Jays. Solidifies their position near top of conference.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 28, 2024, 11:29:37 AM
Yes, UCONN continues to widen the gap. Now we can have the haters here descend with the name calling because somebody objectively points out the obvious. Hater namecallers like Hardon Alumni., etc.
The only gap that is widening is the empty space between your ears, no willie.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 03, 2024, 02:22:34 PM
The only gap that is widening is the empty space between your ears, no willie.
That alleged gap you just mentioned pales in comparison to the gap your intelligence falls below moron level Hardon. Alumni of Grammer school
Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2024, 05:16:27 AM
That alleged gap you just mentioned pales in comparison to the gap your intelligence falls below moron level Hardon. Alumni of Grammer school
Did he learn weights and measures at "grammer" school?
This gets 5 🫏 out of 5. A real masterpiece
Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2024, 05:16:27 AM
That alleged gap you just mentioned pales in comparison to the gap your intelligence falls below moron level Hardon. Alumni of Grammer school
If you're going to call someone a moron, at least remember to use commas where necessary, and remember to spell check your work.
I'll leave you be, Richie, because I'd hate to be a Dick.
Posh Alexander to Dayton.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 04, 2024, 09:15:16 AM
If you're going to call someone a moron, at least remember to use commas where necessary, and remember to spell check your work.
I'll leave you be, Richie, because I'd hate to be a Dick.
Comma not necessary in that sentence. Obviously you are not an alumni of English. But you are a Hardon, Hardon. Comma inserted because necessary. And you show you are a Dick every day.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2024, 02:44:19 PM
Posh Alexander to Dayton.
This article says that Dayton was a focus school for Posh as part of his High School recruitment .
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/former-butler-st-johns-guard-transfers-to-dayton/U3ECWZ5PKBB4BIRHHEKLRI4RSE/
Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2024, 02:49:58 PM
Comma not necessary in that sentence. Obviously you are not an alumni of English. But you are a Hardon, Hardon. Comma inserted because necessary. And you show you are a Dick every day.
Your words cut with the exquisite sharpness of a Notre Dame graduate, Dung Willie
Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2024, 02:49:58 PM
Comma not necessary in that sentence. Obviously you are not an alumni of English. But you are a Hardon, Hardon. Comma inserted because necessary. And you show you are a Dick every day.
I'm not surprised you didn't understand.
pretty big signing for St. John's from the Portal in Devion Smith from Utah. https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1787482461414244817
I think this is their third portal signing and they're still in the hunt for Richmond too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 06, 2024, 12:35:28 PM
pretty big signing for St. John's from the Portal in Devion Smith from Utah. https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1787482461414244817
I think this is their third portal signing and they're still in the hunt for Richmond too.
Excellent addition for The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2024/05/06/sports/st-johns-lands-utah-transfer-deivon-smith-in-huge-get/amp/
Mark Armstrong staying in the draft. I don't think he was going back to Nova, but still I think Nova could be in the bottom 3 next year in the big east.
Quote from: zcg2013 on May 06, 2024, 03:07:34 PM
Mark Armstrong staying in the draft. I don't think he was going back to Nova, but still I think Nova could be in the bottom 3 next year in the big east.
Nova fans were already salty. Neptune's seat is getting warmer by the minute.
Quote from: zcg2013 on May 06, 2024, 03:07:34 PM
Mark Armstrong staying in the draft. I don't think he was going back to Nova, but still I think Nova could be in the bottom 3 next year in the big east.
Curious what advice he's getting, I don't see anyone that thinks he has a shot at being drafted. Guessing he's just done with college, Villanova fans seem as baffled as we are.
Vander Blue Syndrome.
Kadary Richmond to St. John's.
The Big East keeps getting better
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 12:48:40 PM
Kadary Richmond to St. John's.
The Big East keeps getting better
And worse........
Gauntlet.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 12:48:40 PM
Kadary Richmond to St. John's.
The Big East keeps getting better
Still four open scholarships at Georgetown. Anyone else close to that?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2024, 12:48:40 PM
Kadary Richmond to St. John's.
The Big East keeps getting better
Considering Fierceness finished 15th in the Derby on Saturday I wonder what Richmond would have gotten had the horse won. Maybe future payments will be dependent upon Preakness, Belmont, and Breeders Cup finishes for Richmond won't pout and refuse to play during the upcoming season.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/22/sports/st-johns-receiving-nil-lifeline-from-billionaire-alum-mike-repole/
Quote from: DFW HOYA on May 07, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Still four open scholarships at Georgetown. Anyone else close to that?
What's the deal with Bumbraugh? Seemed like he had a promising first season at Georgetown, and Tulane is a big step down.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on May 07, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Still four open scholarships at Georgetown. Anyone else close to that?
Seton Hall has 5 available.
If you assume Dixon is gowne, Villanova also has four available
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 07, 2024, 02:22:10 PM
Seton Hall has 5 available.
If you assume Dixon is gowne, Villanova also has four available
Maybe they can just combine rosters for this season?
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 07, 2024, 01:43:12 PM
What's the deal with Bumbraugh? Seemed like he had a promising first season at Georgetown, and Tulane is a big step down.
Really? I thought he was fairly terrible. Tulane seems more like his level.
Pitino is in an Excellent position for next season. This is what the Johnnie fans have been hoping for.
Hoping this offseason haul translates into a meaningful TV contract for The Big East.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/sports/st-johns-lands-seton-halls-kadary-richmond-in-seismic-transfer/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 07, 2024, 07:33:59 PM
Pitino is in an Excellent position for next season. This is what the Johnnie fans have been hoping for.
Hoping this offseason haul translates into a meaningful TV contract for The Big East.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/sports/st-johns-lands-seton-halls-kadary-richmond-in-seismic-transfer/amp/
lol
Quote from: DFW HOYA on May 07, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Still four open scholarships at Georgetown. Anyone else close to that?
Let Ed know I have all of my remaining eligibility remaining.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 08, 2024, 08:50:20 AM
Let Ed know I have all of my remaining eligibility remaining.
Ed needs to get busy recruiting instead of having socials with politicians: https://twitter.com/GeorgetownHoyas/status/1787941796732887267
Quote from: MUbiz on May 08, 2024, 08:58:42 AM
Ed needs to get busy recruiting instead of having socials with politicians: https://twitter.com/GeorgetownHoyas/status/1787941796732887267
Maybe Ed was looking for some insider stock trading tips?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on May 08, 2024, 09:31:17 AM
Maybe Ed was looking for some insider stock trading tips?
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Quote from: MUbiz on May 08, 2024, 08:58:42 AM
Ed needs to get busy recruiting instead of having socials with politicians: https://twitter.com/GeorgetownHoyas/status/1787941796732887267
Jeff Goodman spoke about this on the Field of 68 last night: kids have no memory that Georgetown is anything special and don't want to go there.
New Xavier pick up. Depth piece: https://www.zagsblog.com/2024/05/09/boise-state-transfer-guard-roddie-anderson-iii-commits-to-xavier/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 09, 2024, 03:16:50 PM
New Xavier pick up. Depth piece: https://www.zagsblog.com/2024/05/09/boise-state-transfer-guard-roddie-anderson-iii-commits-to-xavier/
That's 10 transfers out (plus a decommit) and 8 transfers in (plus getting Freemantle and Hunter back from injury). Helluva way to build a team.
Wonder if Miller is hoping to jump to a better job next offseason. He's set to have 8 players lose eligibilty after this year. 3 of those have been in the program at least 2 years, but the other 5 are guys transferring in for their last year of eligibility
Kalkbrenner outlines what he hopes his 5th season will be .
https://www.ketv.com/article/creighton-basketball-ryan-kalkbrenner-on-next-season/60737422
Also more on his decision to come back. Wants a full summer to get better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxlWXA6yIk
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 09, 2024, 04:26:08 PM
Kalkbrenner outlines what he hopes his 5th season will be .
https://www.ketv.com/article/creighton-basketball-ryan-kalkbrenner-on-next-season/60737422
Also more on his decision to come back. Wants a full summer to get better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxlWXA6yIk
Read about it here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66124.0
Much better analysis
big pickup for PC - 5 star kid: https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1789744551126532485?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789744551126532485%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Creighton with a high level visitor over the weekend (he's now on a visit to BYU): https://twitter.com/CreighTakes/status/1789364704403399082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789364704403399082%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 14, 2024, 10:47:08 AM
big pickup for PC - 5 star kid: https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1789744551126532485?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789744551126532485%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Creighton with a high level visitor over the weekend (he's now on a visit to BYU): https://twitter.com/CreighTakes/status/1789364704403399082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789364704403399082%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Impressive grab for Kim English
Obviously, he didn't have the grades to get into Marquette.
There seems to be a lot of Kim English doubt, but I don't really see why. I'd take him over Holloway any day of the week.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on May 14, 2024, 03:25:42 PM
There seems to be a lot of Kim English doubt, but I don't really see why. I'd take him over Holloway any day of the week.
I was pretty bullish on English as a future HC. Wasn't sure how successful he could be at Providence. It's a hard place to stack success.
I think people see a lot of coaches have come out of Providence thinking they had a lot of success there but if you look at Rick Barnes and Pete Gillen's records there, they weren't special at all. Cooley
Doubt English is there 12 years like Cooley if he's successful. Cooley was easily their best coach from a program standpoint since Dave Gavitt. I know Pitino got them a Final 4 but he was done right after and the bottom dropped out the next season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 14, 2024, 03:36:27 PM
I was pretty bullish on English as a future HC. Wasn't sure how successful he could be at Providence. It's a hard place to stack success.
I think people see a lot of coaches have come out of Providence thinking they had a lot of success there but if you look at Rick Barnes and Pete Gillen's records there, they weren't special at all. Cooley
Doubt English is there 12 years like Cooley if he's successful. Cooley was easily their best coach from a program standpoint since Dave Gavitt. I know Pitino got them a Final 4 but he was done right after and the bottom dropped out the next season
All good points. I don't know enough about resources available in Providence, but wonder if the infrastructure is stronger than ever after a long run of success with Cooley.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 14, 2024, 10:47:08 AM
big pickup for PC - 5 star kid: https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1789744551126532485?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789744551126532485%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Creighton with a high level visitor over the weekend (he's now on a visit to BYU): https://twitter.com/CreighTakes/status/1789364704403399082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1789364704403399082%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Excellent News for English Enterprises. Friars continue to be solid top half of league team.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 14, 2024, 11:02:37 PM
Friars continue to be solid top half of league team.
Have they or other BE teams played 2024-25 games yet that none of us know about?
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on May 14, 2024, 11:00:52 PM
All good points. I don't know enough about resources available in Providence, but wonder if the infrastructure is stronger than ever after a long run of success with Cooley.
it is, and is definitely more on par with current BE schools than when the BE included larger public an football schools.
Also, PC made some further investments in hoops as a response to Cooley bailing. Spite spending is still spending.
Dixon returning to Villanova.
Quote from: tower912 on May 28, 2024, 01:50:18 PM
Dixon returning to Villanova.
ILLEGAL, per BeeJay.
Yes, he said that on the other board.
Hammer shall drop! #Suspended
I heard a rumor that Gottlieb landed a top 30 7 footer for UW-GB.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 28, 2024, 03:58:58 PM
I heard a rumor that Gottlieb landed a top 30 7 footer for UW-GB.
A transfer who will be at his third schools in as many years. Started at NC State but redshirted. Got injured at Okie State last year after three games.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 28, 2024, 03:58:58 PM
I heard a rumor that Gottlieb landed a top 30 7 footer for UW-GB.
Good thing Marquette is afraid to schedule them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2024, 04:29:13 PM
Good thing Marquette is afraid to schedule them
Makes you wish Marquette was afraid to schedule St Thomas...
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 28, 2024, 05:22:15 PM
Makes you wish Marquette was afraid to schedule St Thomas...
After last years loss, they will be
Telfort withdraws from the draft and is heading back to Butler. Big news for the Bulldogs to vault them into the top 8 in the conference.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1795814738221556171?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/adamfinkelstein/status/1795892995926937975?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Now THAT one is big.
Crazy move. But big for Uconn
Quote from: tower912 on May 29, 2024, 02:25:55 PM
Now THAT one is big.
I'm shocked he's coming back, unless he had a bad combine.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on May 29, 2024, 03:46:21 PM
I'm shocked he's coming back, unless he had a bad combine.
Actually, he played well. Dont know about the rest of the testing and measurements.
Karaban has a good shot from deep, but isn't terribly athletic and not really all that explosive. If he had a Sam Hauser 3 point shot, and it hasn't shown that yet, he might find a role in the NBA. But even Sam wasn't drafted.
Karaban early candidate for Big East Player of The Year along with Kam
Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on May 30, 2024, 12:22:52 AM
Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.
Same with many of the returners. I don't understand the mentality other than they're betting on themselves.
Better NIL deals than two way deals?
Quote from: tower912 on May 30, 2024, 06:15:43 AM
Better NIL deals than two way deals?
I guess? Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year? Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year. Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.
Quote"I got good feedback from the NBA," Sears told ESPN. "But I can still get better in a few areas. I want to show I am a dog on defense next season, continue to bring vocal leadership and work on my body and get into better shape. NIL has changed basketball and NBA teams told me that age isn't a factor in today's game, so I was comfortable coming back to try and bring home a national championship to Alabama."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 30, 2024, 06:23:22 AM
I guess? Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year? Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year. Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.
My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.
Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 30, 2024, 08:10:07 AM
My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.
Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.
I agree with you. And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year. He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 30, 2024, 08:13:29 AM
I agree with you. And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year. He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.
No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.
He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 30, 2024, 08:22:10 AM
No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.
He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.
your second point is dead on. Caraban is likely getting mid-six figures or more to stay. In the past, a low six figure deal overseas was more appealing than another year of playing college ball. Now they can stay and make more while still staying on the NBA radar.
Quote from: tower912 on May 30, 2024, 06:15:43 AM
Better NIL deals than two way deals?
It's possible, but the real value in the NBA is getting to that second contract. I'm sure there are better NIL offers than the roughly $560k cap for a two-way deal (though how many actually pay better at the end of the day is an open question) but if you're someone like Karaban who was looking at the back end of the first round, you're not just giving up the $2M per year (roughly) for four years, but delaying how soon you can get to a deal that pays you $5M+.
If I'm a potential first round pick, I'd be telling boosters that NIL deal has to be worth more than the first year of my second contract, but it seems most of these guys aren't thinking that far out.
But I don't think Karaban was going to be a first round pick. My guess is that if he had that feedback, he may have gone. But almost everything I have seen indicates mid-second round at best.
247 Way to Early Big East power rankings
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/uconn-xavier-creighton-highlight-way-too-early-big-east-basketball-power-rankings-231989950/#2422361
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 01, 2024, 06:52:30 PM
247 Way to Early Big East power rankings
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/uconn-xavier-creighton-highlight-way-too-early-big-east-basketball-power-rankings-231989950/#2422361
Georgetown #8? As low as that program has fallen, that seems unrealistic.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 01, 2024, 07:03:02 PM
Georgetown #8? As low as that program has fallen, that seems unrealistic.
Two questions:
1. Where would you rank them?
2. How does this change?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on June 02, 2024, 04:15:54 PM
Two questions:
1. Where would you rank them?
2. How does this change?
Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:
League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier
At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler
Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul
So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.
You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.
I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.
So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.
Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in. And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.
Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 02, 2024, 04:47:43 PM
Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:
League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier
At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler
Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul
So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.
You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.
I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.
So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.
Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in. And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.
Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.
MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 02, 2024, 08:49:43 PM
MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .
No it isn't.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 02, 2024, 08:49:43 PM
MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .
Generally speaking, well coached teams (MU under Shaka) are better than the sum of their parts and poorly coached teams (Nova under Neptune) are worse than the sum of their parts. So for the time being anyway, yeah.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 01, 2024, 06:52:30 PM
247 Way to Early Big East power rankings
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/uconn-xavier-creighton-highlight-way-too-early-big-east-basketball-power-rankings-231989950/#2422361
I get that Kalkbrenner coming back is big, but I think trying to replace Alexander and Scheyerman is gonna be harder than a lot of folks seem to think.
Am I the only one thinking there's a bit too much hype surrounding Xavier? Lost their best player from last year and relying on two bigs who have an injury history....
Quote from: zcg2013 on June 03, 2024, 12:38:30 PM
Am I the only one thinking there's a bit too much hype surrounding Xavier? Lost their best player from last year and relying on two bigs who have an injury history....
second is too high for them but getting Freemantle and Hunter back is big and they have some really good transfers coming in who score, especially Conwell and Maddox. Traore averaged a double/double last year at LBSU and he's slated to come off the bench. They have a very strong freshman class too. X will have solid depth this year.
Quote from: zcg2013 on June 03, 2024, 12:38:30 PM
Am I the only one thinking there's a bit too much hype surrounding Xavier? Lost their best player from last year and relying on two bigs who have an injury history....
They have a lot of talent coming in...but I really don't trust that Millere will be able to get that many new pieces to mesh together. I think Freemantle and Hunter are the only scholarship players who have actually played in a game together before.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on June 03, 2024, 12:26:01 PM
I get that Kalkbrenner coming back is big, but I think trying to replace Alexander and Scheyerman is gonna be harder than a lot of folks seem to think.
I may end up being crazy, but I think gaining Pop and losing Alexander will be about a wash. Trading Neal for Scheirman is a big downgrade, but I think they make up for it through the development of other guys and the freshmen they bring in. Creighton should actually have a bench this season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 03, 2024, 11:07:03 PM
I may end up being crazy, but I think gaining Pop and losing Alexander will be about a wash. Trading Neal for Scheirman is a big downgrade, but I think they make up for it through the development of other guys and the freshmen they bring in. Creighton should actually have a bench this season.
Isaacs and Alexander are a wash as far as Hair goes. Isaacs will have to make another leap forward in productivity to match what Alexander put up in his excellent junior season. It may be possible for Pop to achieve that in the Creighton system.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 03, 2024, 11:07:03 PM
Creighton should actually have a bench this season.
Good. It seemed unfair that they were the only team in the country whose coaches and inactive players had to stand all game.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 03, 2024, 11:07:03 PM
I may end up being crazy, but I think gaining Pop and losing Alexander will be about a wash. Trading Neal for Scheirman is a big downgrade, but I think they make up for it through the development of other guys and the freshmen they bring in. Creighton should actually have a bench this season.
hard to say. Isaacs is a worse shooter overall, especially from three, and I liked how Alexander would drive the paint more as the season went on. How they mix Isaacs and Ashworth at the point will be interesting, since Isaacs is smaller than Alexander and less of a combo guard. Miller really needs to step it up to replace what Schierman brought as an outside threat.
Wooga Poplar to 'Nova. This probably moves them ahead of GTown in the standings, still not enough to save Neptune after the upcoming season
https://www.zagsblog.com/2024/06/05/miami-transfer-wooga-poplar-heading-commits-to-villanova-per-reports/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2024, 02:41:45 PM
Wooga Poplar to 'Nova. This probably moves them ahead of GTown in the standings, still not enough to save Neptune after the upcoming season
https://www.zagsblog.com/2024/06/05/miami-transfer-wooga-poplar-heading-commits-to-villanova-per-reports/
Is Wooga Gooda?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 05, 2024, 06:43:37 PM
Is Wooga Gooda?
He's a good college basketball player. Nothing special but certainly not a negative. I think he'll be good for Villanova but not someone that makes them a tourney lock all of a sudden
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 05, 2024, 06:43:37 PM
Is Wooga Gooda?
Wooga is well liked by his teammates,
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 05, 2024, 06:43:37 PM
Is Wooga Gooda?
Will probably be Novas second best player. Still don't think they make the tourney
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 05, 2024, 09:29:33 PM
Will probably be Novas second best player. Still don't think they make the tourney
I think he takes them from fighting with DePaul for 10th to fighting with Georgetown for 8th. How quickly Nova has fallen.
Just looking at the scoring averages of returning players and transfers in:
Xavier has 6 double digit scorers
DePaul has 5 double digit scorers.
Creighton has 4 double digit scorers
Butler, Georgetown and Villanova have 3 double digit scorers.
Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall and UConn have 2 double digit scorers.
The bolded teams are considered to be the top 5 teams.
UConn being considered a possible repeat NCAA champion depends greatly on their high-ranking freshmen class.
Villanova adding Poplar gets them up to 4 double digit scorers.
Quote from: bilsu on June 06, 2024, 03:32:11 AM
UConn being considered a possible repeat NCAA champion depends greatly on their high-ranking freshmen class.
...and their coach not bolting for the NBA
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 06, 2024, 06:16:31 AM
...and their coach not bolting for the NBA
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40289529/sources-lakers-preparing-massive-offer-uconn-dan-hurley
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 06, 2024, 07:08:31 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40289529/sources-lakers-preparing-massive-offer-uconn-dan-hurley
Woj reporting Lakers gonna offer Dan Hurley as well: https://x.com/wojespn/status/1798696993277218997
Quote from: MUbiz on June 06, 2024, 08:23:00 AM
Woj reporting Lakers gonna offer Dan Hurley as well: https://x.com/wojespn/status/1798696993277218997
Really? Are you sure?
Hurley helped The Big East cause in an important way today. Demonstrates our league can compete in the NIL environment among other things. So no reason to leave.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/10/sports/dan-hurley-speaks-out-on-spurning-lakers-to-stay-at-uconn/amp/
Intriguing pick up for St John's
https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/sports/rick-pitino-lands-ruben-prey-to-complete-st-johns-roster/
https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/ruben-prey-scouting-report
At 6'10", Prey has the size to play as a full-time five. With close to 220 pounds, he has a fairly thin frame that'll need development at the next level. With a consistent motor, Prey plays with toughness around the rim, but against better competition, the lack of strength is visible, that's an area of development for him at the next level.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 19, 2024, 09:27:00 AM
Intriguing pick up for St John's
https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/sports/rick-pitino-lands-ruben-prey-to-complete-st-johns-roster/
https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/ruben-prey-scouting-report
At 6'10", Prey has the size to play as a full-time five. With close to 220 pounds, he has a fairly thin frame that'll need development at the next level. With a consistent motor, Prey plays with toughness around the rim, but against better competition, the lack of strength is visible, that's an area of development for him at the next level.
He'll enjoy hearing his name repeatedly during Marquette's pregame video.
Trey Alexander to Denver on two way contract
Nice outcome for him
https://www.ketv.com/article/creighton-basketball-trey-alexander-signs-two-way-contract-with-nba/61446091
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 27, 2024, 09:17:25 PM
Trey Alexander to Denver on two way contract
Nice outcome for him
https://www.ketv.com/article/creighton-basketball-trey-alexander-signs-two-way-contract-with-nba/61446091
I'm a bit surprised he didn't get drafted. I think he has a chance for a nice pro career.
Clingan planned to return and Hurley told him hell no.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/29/sports/dan-hurley-told-donovan-clingan-to-get-the-hell-out-out-of-uconn/?utm_campaign=nypost_sports&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&sr_share=twitter
Johnnies well positioned for Pitino Year 2
https://nypost.com/2024/06/22/sports/st-johns-looks-like-a-classic-second-year-rick-pitino-team/
Good to get official word that Johnnies will suck.
Creighton releases their non Conference schedule. One interesting quirk is they could end up playing Alabama twice. The Bluejays face The Crimson Tide on the road as the part of a previously scheduled home and home. Both terms are in The Players Era multi team event so conceivably they could end up meeting in a championship game .
https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/6/27/mens-basketball-creighton-mens-basketball-announces-non-conference-schedule.aspx
Johnnies announce their preseason schedule. Hopefully , for the benefit of the Big East, they get out of the gates stronger this season than they did last year.
https://stormthepaint.com/posts/st-johns-basketball-schedule-daunting-stretch-soft-close
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 08, 2024, 02:11:12 PM
Johnnies announce their preseason schedule. Hopefully , for the benefit of the Big East, they get out of the gates stronger this season than they did last year.
https://stormthepaint.com/posts/st-johns-basketball-schedule-daunting-stretch-soft-close
as usual, other than a MTE they don't leave NYC or the state of NY for a non-conference schedule.
Not playing a single road game in non-con is a choice.
nice get for Butler for the upcoming season.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1811160291788607902?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1811160291788607902%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Langdon was ranked as the No. 105 overall player in the 2025 class, according to On3. With his move to the 2024 class, the Raleigh, North Carolina native will now be ranked No. 140 nationally.
Way to Early Big East Power Rankings has MU 4th in Conference
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/big-east-basketball-power-rankings-uconn-creighton/
Going to be fun to see how Pitino Year 2 squad jells
https://nypost.com/2024/07/17/sports/st-johns-transfers-kadary-richmond-deivon-smith-already-feed-off-each-other/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 27, 2024, 10:47:11 AM
Going to be fun to see how Pitino Year 2 squad jells
https://nypost.com/2024/07/17/sports/st-johns-transfers-kadary-richmond-deivon-smith-already-feed-off-each-other/
until they get in games and don't pass to one another
Butler schedules home and home with new ACC member SMU
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/2024/07/25/smu-mustangs-butler-bulldogs-basketball-series-2024/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
Way to Early Big East Power Rankings has MU 4th in Conference
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/big-east-basketball-power-rankings-uconn-creighton/
Hmmmm....
I would flip Xavier and St. John's, and do think that 1-5 is really murky. I think you can make a case for anyone, even UConn, to be anywhere in that mix. Only other change I'd have is Butler might be a bit higher.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
Way to Early Big East Power Rankings has MU 4th in Conference
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/big-east-basketball-power-rankings-uconn-creighton/
DePaul - key departures - Everyone.
:)
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on July 28, 2024, 07:32:29 AM
DePaul - key departures - Everyone.
Someone is going to finish last and it won't be DePaul--Chris Holtmann can coach and he can recruit.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on July 28, 2024, 09:06:01 AM
Someone is going to finish last and it won't be DePaul--Chris Holtmann can coach and he can recruit.
I guess he just decided to do neither at OSU.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 28, 2024, 01:56:33 PM
I guess he just decided to do neither at OSU.
His first 5 years at tOSU were decent to good as he made the NCAAs each year but for the pandemic year. The last 2 tailed off which probably speaks to the recruiting.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 28, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
His first 5 years at tOSU were decent to good as he made the NCAAs each year but for the pandemic year. The last 2 tailed off which probably speaks to the recruiting.
255th and 361st in Luck the last two seasons didn't help.
Poor Villanogo. Looks like Marquette under Wojo also.
https://x.com/JpCarlesimo/status/1817671245070008476
Quote from: MUDPT on July 28, 2024, 02:50:29 PM
255th and 361st in Luck the last two seasons didn't help.
Keep in mind that Luck is an invented stat to explain why actual performance differed from what the mathematical models predicted.
In other words, bad Luck didn't cause poor performance . . . poor performance resulted in a low Luck rank.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 29, 2024, 04:16:00 PM
Keep in mind that Luck is an invented stat to explain why actual performance differed from what the mathematical models predicted.
In other words, bad Luck didn't cause poor performance . . . poor performance resulted in a low Luck rank.
Correct, but it could indicate that they weren't as bad as they might appear at first glance
"The harder I work, the luckier I get."
-Ben Hogan
"The answer is in the dirt."
-also Ben Hogan
"Digging in the dirt, find the places I got hurt"
-Peter Gabriel
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2024, 09:42:56 PM
Correct, but it could indicate that they weren't as bad as they might appear at first glance
So, seeing is not believing?
Friars could potentially be a strong team if Hopkins recovers and The Chicago State transfer plays well.
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/article/big-east-2024-25-providence-friars-basketball-preview-234937974/
Johnnie's starting out season with a robbery
https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/sports/st-johns-coach-rick-pitinos-nyc-office-robbed-of-memorabilia-cops/
Interesting signing for Creighton.
https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/8/22/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-signs-fedor-ugi.aspx
https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1826754108185084221
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 22, 2024, 08:11:44 PM
Johnnie's starting out season with a robbery
https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/sports/st-johns-coach-rick-pitinos-nyc-office-robbed-of-memorabilia-cops/
Pitino's sex life just got a little more boring.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 23, 2024, 08:26:08 AM
Interesting signing for Creighton.
https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/8/22/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-signs-fedor-ugi.aspx
https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1826754108185084221
Seems like Coach McDermott has a steady flow of these Europeans over the years.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 23, 2024, 08:26:08 AM
Interesting signing for Creighton.
https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/8/22/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-signs-fedor-ugi.aspx
https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1826754108185084221
It'll be fun to see if this guy is any good compared to NCAA talent.
Marquette staff determined that the German sharpshooter stunk and wasn't worth it, but Doug and Co like the looks of this guy apparently.
Euros are tough to project, but sounds like this guy has been playing against pros the last couple years. Creighton fans are very high on him and honestly I don't understand how he's even eligible. Will be interesting to see if he can make an instant impact.
Quote from: DoctorV on August 23, 2024, 09:00:56 AM
It'll be fun to see if this guy is any good compared to NCAA talent.
Marquette staff determined that the German sharpshooter stunk and wasn't worth it, but Doug and Co like the looks of this guy apparently.
Xavier brought in three Eastern Euro guys late for last season (one classified as a senior because he'd played for a reserve pro team) and the staff and fan base were quite disappointed with them and their lack of production. Walking out of Cintas after the MU game I was talking with some X fans (a very gracious fan base, in my experience) and they talked about Miller bringing in the Euros who were too soft and couldn't adjust to Big East hoops. All three have moved on from X to lower level programs. We'll see if this guy follows a similar path at CU.
Most of those foreign kids that came to play for Lloyd at Az were underwhelming too if I recall
Creighton new recruit touted as immediately contributing
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/nba-draft-fedor-zugic-could-dominate-for-creighton-out-of-the-gate
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 27, 2024, 08:19:09 AM
Creighton new recruit touted as immediately contributing
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/nba-draft-fedor-zugic-could-dominate-for-creighton-out-of-the-gate
Saying he could be one of the best players in college basketball is a lot of hype. We'll see.
Georgetown's non-conference schedule has been released with EIGHT buy games. Two road games, at WVU and at 'Cuse. The only legit home game is against ND.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1828475128881041874
Isn't that basically the same thing Cooley did at Providence?
This does not take MTEs into account, but Providence having a lower quality of schedule (based on T-rank) than DePaul is incredible:
https://x.com/Road2TheGarden/status/1828492095319159262
MU is #1 for SOS :D
This is probably a good thing for the BE. Georgetown should have the physical talent to beat these teams by 40. If Cooley doesn't let his foot off the gas, Georgetown can get 8 boosts to its NET ranking. And then lose a bunch in the Big East.
Smart move by Mr. Cooley. Needs some momentum.
Nova's AD is heading to Northwestern. That's three high level BE AD jobs open.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 29, 2024, 10:54:12 AM
Nova's AD is heading to Northwestern. That's three high level BE AD jobs open.
Three rats who saw the water coming over the bulkhead.
Xavier picks up former MU target Nyk Lewis. He chose X over The Hall, Gtown, and Creighton
Quote from: swoopem on August 29, 2024, 05:32:13 PM
Xavier picks up former MU target Nyk Lewis. He chose X over The Hall, Gtown, and Creighton
Nice pick up for The Big East
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/article/scouting-nyk-lewis-and-his-fit-at-xavier-235283579/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 29, 2024, 07:21:23 PM
Nice pick up for The Big East
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/article/scouting-nyk-lewis-and-his-fit-at-xavier-235283579/
It'll be interesting to see
A) who's the better BE player out of the gate in year 1 and
B) who ends up as the better BE player in the long term
Between Nigel James and Nyk Lewis.
Similar size around 6ft, although Nyk has the edge by an inch or so and 10+ lbs, but if my memory isn't mistaken their games aren't exactly apples to apples.
Nyk with the slight edge in the national rankings as well.
Shaka was highly interested in both so it'll be interesting to follow. Seems as if there was a shift to Nigel but that could be because he realized Nyk was heading elsewhere.
One of the sneaky smart moves in recruiting a 6'2 or smaller PGs, imo, is that even if he lights the world on fire you've got a much higher chance of keeping him around for 3/4 years because the NBA doesn't leap at "little" guys anymore. In that sense, we should get to see them going against each other for several years.
For that reason, my money is on our guy to answer part B above.
As an aside, I always felt bad for Markus because of what 3-5 extra inches would've done to his life when it comes to income and NBA success.
I know there's no guarantee he would be the shooter/scorer he was at 6'4, but man that kid had a talent that needed just a few extra inches.
I digress, but that's what she said after all...
Yes, a 6'4 Markus.probably leaves after his sophomore year, is on his second contract in the NBA, and is compared to Curry.
Excellent Preview of Butler prospects this season.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/8/23/24183991/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-butler-bulldogs-matta-telfort-brooks
Excellent Preview of Providence prospects this season
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/9/3/24183998/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-providence-friars-english-hopkins
Excellent Preview of Johnnie prospects this season
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/9/7/24184000/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-st-johns-red-storm-pitino-luis-richmond-scott-smith
Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2024, 05:55:39 AM
Yes, a 6'4 Markus.probably leaves after his sophomore year, is on his second contract in the NBA, and is compared to Curry.
Except that Curry is an amazing ball handler and Markus's handle is loose.
You and I remember Budapest very differently.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 04:38:13 PM
You and I remember Budapest very differently.
Steph Curry turnover rate his 3 seasons:
FR: 17.3
SOPH: 14.3
JR: 16.1
Markus turnover rate his 3 seasons:
FR: 20.5
SOPH: 15.7
JR: 18.4
SR: 15.2
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 05:00:03 PM
Steph Curry turnover rate his 3 seasons:
FR: 17.3
SOPH: 14.3
JR: 16.1
Markus turnover rate his 3 seasons:
FR: 20.5
SOPH: 15.7
JR: 18.4
SR: 15.2
My numbers per basketball reference:
TOV %: FR Markus 17.4 Steph 13.8
SOPH. 13.0 11.3
JR. 15.7 13.5
ASST % FR 19.9. N/A
SO 18.4. N/A
JR. 27.3. 40.2
Only used there first 3 college years as Steph was in the NBA in what would have been his senior season. Don't know why BR doesn't have Assist % numbers but the numbers that they do have shows he handled it (your numbers agree) and passed it much better than Markus. What happened between Tower and Markus in Budapest is anyone's guess.
Curry was marginally better in the Southern Conference than Howard was in the Big East, from a turnover perspective.
Clearly, Howard should have shot more.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 06:29:43 PM
Curry was marginally better in the Southern Conference than Howard was in the Big East, from a turnover perspective.
Clearly, Howard should have shot more.
Correct. No one will ever confuse Markus for Steph.
However, as far as handles, in college, they were fairly similar.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 06:29:43 PM
Curry was marginally better in the Southern Conference than Howard was in the Big East, from a turnover perspective.
20.7% better, 13.1% better and 14.0% better. With a 50% better ASST%.
Marginally? LOL
nm
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 10, 2024, 06:53:17 PM
nm
Steph's JR. season assist rate was 40%, it was 18% his SOPH year.
Markus SR. season assist rate was 27%.
Steph is and was better than Markus. Markus was a two-time All-American and one of the great Marquette players of all-time. Both things can be true. Really not a big story here
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 06:56:58 PM
Steph's JR. season assist rate was 40%, it was 18% his SOPH year.
Markus SR. season assist rate was 27%.
Steph is and was better than Markus. Markus was a two-time All-American and one of the great Marquette players of all-time. Both things can be true. Really not a big story here
I agree. The only story here was the false one that with a bit more height Markus = Steph. It was BS and I called it out. You do that once in a while. a'ina?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 10, 2024, 07:36:24 PM
I agree. The only story here was the false one that with a bit more height Markus = Steph. It was BS and I called it out. You do that once in a while. a'ina?
If he was 6' 4", he would absolutely be in the NBA
I do not accept your premise. Who knows what being 5 inches taller would have done if he had the same shooting ability?
I know, you have to lash out at somebody. There, there, get it all out.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 07:43:50 PM
I do not accept your premise. Who knows what being 5 inches taller would have done if he had the same shooting ability?
I know, you have to lash out at somebody. There, there, get it all out.
lol.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 07:43:14 PM
If he was 6' 4", he would absolutely be in the NBA
Sure, but there's a big difference between between being in the NBA and being Steph Curry.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 07:43:50 PM
I do not accept your premise. Who knows what being 5 inches taller would have done if he had the same shooting ability?
I know, you have to lash out at somebody. There, there, get it all out.
I couldn't care less whether r not you accept my premise. Your position is still dumb. So is trying to characterize me pointing out the obvious as "lashing out". LOL
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 10, 2024, 08:08:25 PM
Sure, but there's a big difference between between being in the NBA and being Steph Curry.
Nah, you just hate Markus even though he's one of the great Marquette players and alum of all time
Lenny, you have always disliked and continue to tear down the all time leading MU scorer, the all time leading Big East scorer, a two time all American. To the point that when I praise him, you stalk the post and lash out. This isn't new. It is 5 years on. There is no logical reason to continue this lashing out crusade, no reason to not move on. Do you, man, but let me ask you for one thing.
Spell it out. Be specific.
5'8" or 6'4", doesn't matter to me. Hang 0 in the Fiserv rafters ASAP. Should've just raised the framed jersey straight to the rafters on his Senior Day, to be honest.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 08:13:24 PM
Nah, you just hate Markus even though he's one of the great Marquette players and alum of all time
Stick to the Anders Carlson update. Only factual stuff you've shared since you got your computer back.
Markus saved our program
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2024, 08:28:30 PM
Markus saved our program
You rightly called Markus to the NBA when he reclassified and committed to MU.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 08:21:29 PM
Lenny, you have always disliked and continue to tear down the all time leading MU scorer, the all time leading Big East scorer, a two time all American. To the point that when I praise him, you stalk the post and lash out. This isn't new. It is 5 years on. There is no logical reason to continue this lashing out crusade, no reason to not move on. Do you, man, but let me ask you for one thing.
Spell it out. Be specific.
Tower, not only have I not "always disliked Markus", I've always actually liked him, been a fan. Great representative of the university, great scorer, exciting player - if they decide to raise his jersey in the rafters I might disagree slightly but wouldn't lodge much of a complaint. But I'm not (unlike you and others) a fanboy. He had limitations defensively and the ball was in his hands far too much. I never blamed him for the latter and was quick to point out he was doing exactly what his coach (a very poor one) wanted him to do.
So you continue to do you. Be a fanboy, exaggerate the player he was. But get a grip and stop with the nonsense about him being a slightly shorter version of Steph Curry. That's crazy. So is you accusing me of "lashing out" just because of a mild difference of opinion.
Lol
Two time All American
All time leading scorer at MU
All time leading scorer in the Big East
Hell, yes, I am a fan.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 10, 2024, 08:48:28 PM
Tower, not only have I not "always disliked Markus", I've always actually liked him, been a fan. Great representative of the university, great scorer, exciting player - if they decide to raise his jersey in the rafters I might disagree slightly but wouldn't lodge much of a complaint. But I'm not (unlike you and others) a fanboy. He had limitations defensively and the ball was in his hands far too much. I never blamed him for the latter and was quick to point out he was doing exactly what his coach (a very poor one) wanted him to do.
So you continue to do you. Be a fanboy, exaggerate the player he was. But get a grip and stop with the nonsense about him being a slightly shorter version of Steph Curry. That's crazy. So is you accusing me of "lashing out" just because of a mild difference of opinion.
lol
Excellent Preview of U Conn prospects this season
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/8/25/24183993/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-connecticut-uconn-huskies-hurley-karaban-mahaney-mcneeley
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1833861140654227735?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
MU opening BE play Dec 18 vs Butler at home
Excellent Preview of Pirates Prospects for the coming season
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/9/11/24184001/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-seton-hall-pirates-holloway-addae-wusu-coleman-harmon-jenkins
In other Big East news, Creighton got a commitment from their highest ranked recruit in the modern area of rankings (27th by ESPN), choosing them over Alabama and Kansas: https://hurrdatsports.com/creighton-mens-basketball/creighton-lands-2025-four-star-commit-hudson-greer/#:~:text=by%20Jacob%20PadillaSep%2013,other%20finalists%20Kansas%20and%20Alabama.
And St. John's hiring Ed Kull is a huge deal for them. I know he was someone on MU's short list.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/9/17/24247516/ed-kull-formally-introduced-as-st-johns-athletic-director-in-a-homecoming-for-queens-native
Intersting addition for DePaul. I would not be surprised if he redshirted since he didn't have the summer to practice with the team. https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2024/9/16/mens-basketball-depaul-adds-pierre-justin-to-2024-25-roster
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 20, 2024, 10:15:56 AM
In other Big East news, Creighton got a commitment from their highest ranked recruit in the modern area of rankings (27th by ESPN), choosing them over Alabama and Kansas: https://hurrdatsports.com/creighton-mens-basketball/creighton-lands-2025-four-star-commit-hudson-greer/#:~:text=by%20Jacob%20PadillaSep%2013,other%20finalists%20Kansas%20and%20Alabama.
And St. John's hiring Ed Kull is a huge deal for them. I know he was someone on MU's short list.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/9/17/24247516/ed-kull-formally-introduced-as-st-johns-athletic-director-in-a-homecoming-for-queens-native
Intersting addition for DePaul. I would not be surprised if he redshirted since he didn't have the summer to practice with the team. https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2024/9/16/mens-basketball-depaul-adds-pierre-justin-to-2024-25-roster
In reading the DePaul story, I did not realize that Chris Holtmann hired Lavall Jordan as an Assistant Coach/General Manager . That is an interesting development for The Blue Demons . Gives them someone who can help with Player Development
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2024, 06:05:27 PM
In reading the DePaul story, I did not realize that Chris Holtmann hired Lavall Jordan as an Assistant Coach/General Manager . That is an interesting development for The Blue Demons . Gives them someone who can help with Player Development
Holtmann does seem to be putting together a good staff. DePaul's AD has opened up the checkbook because he knows this hire makes or breaks him. That said, it's still DePaul.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2024, 06:05:27 PM
In reading the DePaul story, I did not realize that Chris Holtmann hired Lavall Jordan as an Assistant Coach/General Manager . That is an interesting development for The Blue Demons . Gives them someone who can help with Player Development
He did a bang up job developing Butler's talent
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2024, 09:11:40 AM
He did a bang up job developing Butler's talent
He's best suited as an assistant coach and was successful in that role at Michigan. He was over his head at Butler and would have never been considered if they weren't wedded to "The Butler Way."
"In six seasons as an assistant coach under Michigan head coach John Beilein, Michigan advanced to the NCAA tournament each year except 2015, won Big Ten Conference regular season championships in 2012 and 2014 and appeared in the Elite 8 in 2014 and the National Championship in 2013."
"Jordan is often given credit in greatly aiding in the development of Michigan's guards, especially point guards. During the time he spent there, Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Darius Morris all played under Jordan."
and speaking of Butler, another nice pick-up for them. The conference keeps getting stronger!
https://www.zagsblog.com/2024/09/22/butler-adds-four-star-wing-jackson-keith-giving-bulldogs-no-2-ranked-class/
RIP to former DePaul guard Joe Tulley. Played from 1999-2003 and later served as their DBO.
Went to my high-school. Still holds the conference record for points in a game.
24/7 Big East Conference Preview. MU Starts at 18:07. They have MU 5th behind U- Conn, Creighton, Johnnies and X. Safely in NCAA Tournament. Bullish on Kam. One of commentators has questions on MU's D and lack of rim protection and is why they have the squad rated where they are at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNIQZezFJ8
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 03, 2024, 03:09:23 PMOne of commentators has questions on MU's D and lack of rim protection and why they have the squad rated where they are at.
Good news is both our 2fg% defense and efg% def overall has been weak the past two years. The comp's aren't scary tbh
JB....you posted where you think this team will be this season about a month ago or so. I cant find it. Can you post that again or point me in the right direction? Thanks
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 04, 2024, 08:49:41 AM
Good news is both our 2fg% defense and efg% def overall has been weak the past two years. The comp's aren't scary tbh
Yup - that again is my biggest question for the year - our rim protection and interior defense. We were not very good with BG as the primary big on the court last year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 03, 2024, 03:09:23 PM
24/7 Big East Conference Preview. MU Starts at 18:07. They have MU 5th behind U- Conn, Creighton, Johnnies and X. Safely in NCAA Tournament. Bullish on Kam. One of commentators has questions on MU's D and lack of rim protection and why they have the squad rated where they are at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNIQZezFJ8
Kolek 'em!
I'll say it now and go on the record. This team will only finish ahead of DePaul and Georgetown. #longyear
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 04, 2024, 09:35:18 AM
JB....you posted where you think this team will be this season about a month ago or so. I cant find it. Can you post that again or point me in the right direction? Thanks
Two months ago already! I only covered the offense, but here's what I think you're referring to:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66301.0
That is it. Thanks again.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 10:19:13 AM
I'll say it now and go on the record. This team will only finish ahead of DePaul and Georgetown. #longyear
If Georgetown finishes last, there will be problems.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on October 04, 2024, 04:51:57 PM
If Georgetown finishes last, there will be problems.
Wouldn't surprise me if they finish ahead of Marquette. We don't have any jump shooters or aircraft carriers. There's little evidence players develop or get better under Shaka Smart as well. #longyear
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 05:04:28 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they finish ahead of Marquette. We don't have any jump shooters or aircraft carriers. There's little evidence players develop or get better under Shaka Smart as well. #longyear
No doubt. Player development is not a thing. Looking forward to 2025-26 after we hit the portal.
Excellent Preview of Georgetown prospects for the coming season. Mr. Cooley has a number of promising recruits and transfers to work with.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/10/8/24183997/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-georgetown-hoyas-cooley-epps-fielder-sorber-mack-mulready
Tough blow for Xavier...per Sean Miller's Twitter
"Last Wednesday, Lassina Traore suffered a season ending knee injury in our practice.
Lassina was a starter on this year's team. He had a great summer and preseason, where he improved his game as much as any player in our program. He emerged to be our team's best rebounder, low post defender and shot blocker. He was in superior condition and became a tone setter for everything that impacts winning.
There is no silver lining here for us.
It now becomes our players and coaching staff's collective responsibility to rebuild our team. We look forward to embracing the many challenges that lie ahead. However, make no mistake about this - we will miss Lassina's ability and presence. No one player can replace him. All of us will have to do more, be better and step up in our respective roles.
We look forward to supporting Lassina through his surgery later this month and the rehabilitation that will follow. And, we will eagerly await his return to the basketball court in our 25-26 Season."
Eric Dixon suspensed 1 game for participating in the Portsmouth Invitational.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on October 14, 2024, 12:52:09 PM
Eric Dixon suspensed 1 game for participating in the Portsmouth Invitational.
He will have to miss that huge grudge game against Layayette!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on October 14, 2024, 12:52:09 PM
Eric Dixon suspensed 1 game for participating in the Portsmouth Invitational.
Better than nothin'!!
— Signed, Mr. Principles
Excellent Preview of X Prospects This season. Written before loss of Lassina Traore
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/9/24/24184002/big-east-mens-basketball-team-preview-xavier-musketeers-miller-mcknight-freemantle-hunter
X absolutely pounded our future opponent Dayton in a scrimmage
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 21, 2024, 08:55:39 PM
X absolutely pounded our future opponent Dayton in a scrimmage
X picked up some solid transfers . I expect them to be back in winning form this season.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 21, 2024, 08:55:39 PM
X absolutely pounded our future opponent Dayton in a scrimmage
ABD
No Big East players on the AP preseason All-America team, but several were among others receiving votes, including Kam.
https://sports.yahoo.com/duke-freshman-cooper-flagg-joins-seniors-rj-davis-mark-sears-caleb-love-on-preseason-ap-all-america-team-195105546.html?
Here are the others receiving votes:
Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton (15 votes); Alex Karaban, UConn (10); LJ Cryer, Houston (5); Braden Smith, Purdue (5); Kam Jones, Marquette (2); Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State (2); Wade Taylor IV, Texas A&M; Johnell Davis, Arkansas; Norchad Omier, Baylor; Ace Bailey, Rutgers; Robbie Avila, Saint Louis; Tucker DeVries, West Virginia; Tre Johnson, Texas
CBS broadcast schedule released. No games on the mothership for us until the Tourney, but four on CBSSN. Only two Big East conference games on CBS, both on March 1: UConn at Providence and Seton Hall at St. John's
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/cbs-and-cbs-sports-network-2024-25-college-basketball-schedule-features-nearly-300-games/
Quote from: MU82 on October 22, 2024, 10:21:14 AM
No Big East players on the AP preseason All-America team, but several were among others receiving votes, including Kam.
https://sports.yahoo.com/duke-freshman-cooper-flagg-joins-seniors-rj-davis-mark-sears-caleb-love-on-preseason-ap-all-america-team-195105546.html?
Here are the others receiving votes:
Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton (15 votes); Alex Karaban, UConn (10); LJ Cryer, Houston (5); Braden Smith, Purdue (5); Kam Jones, Marquette (2); Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State (2); Wade Taylor IV, Texas A&M; Johnell Davis, Arkansas; Norchad Omier, Baylor; Ace Bailey, Rutgers; Robbie Avila, Saint Louis; Tucker DeVries, West Virginia; Tre Johnson, Texas
I'm taking a lot of players over Hunter Dickinson.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 22, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
I'm taking a lot of players over Hunter Dickinson.
One of the best memories from last season was Oso completely dominating him. Set a great tone for the season.
Quote from: MU82 on October 22, 2024, 10:21:14 AM
No Big East players on the AP preseason All-America team, but several were among others receiving votes, including Kam.
https://sports.yahoo.com/duke-freshman-cooper-flagg-joins-seniors-rj-davis-mark-sears-caleb-love-on-preseason-ap-all-america-team-195105546.html?
Here are the others receiving votes:
Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton (15 votes); Alex Karaban, UConn (10); LJ Cryer, Houston (5); Braden Smith, Purdue (5); Kam Jones, Marquette (2); Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State (2); Wade Taylor IV, Texas A&M; Johnell Davis, Arkansas; Norchad Omier, Baylor; Ace Bailey, Rutgers; Robbie Avila, Saint Louis; Tucker DeVries, West Virginia; Tre Johnson, Texas
Players like Kam who jas proven he can post 30 plus points ,while playing within a team concept and generating assists,are exceptionally rare.
My guess is at end of season Kam will be recognized on all major AA polls.
Lots of buzz around Omaha for Bluejays charity exhibition versus Boilermakers
https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/10/24/-15-mens-basketball-hosts-14-purdue-saturday-in-charity-exhibition.aspx
Interesting Data Point for MU future opponents
Maryland Romps over Hall
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1850247054036975944
Bluejays beat Boilermakers in Charity Exhibition in Omaha 93-87
Shot almost 50 percent from 3
https://gocreighton.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbb&id=15933
https://www.wowt.com/video/2024/10/27/no-15-creighton-mens-basketball-beats-no-14-purdue-charity-exhibition-game/
Some decent games to open Big East Season. There are some local bragging rights type games. Would be help everyone's cause if there was an opening night Big East sweep.
Fordham at Johnnies
Missouri State at Butler
Central Connecticut at Providence
Saint Peter's at The Hall
Texas Southern at X
Southern Indiana at DePaul
Lafayette at Nova
Stony Brook at MU
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 31, 2024, 05:57:33 PMSome decent games to open Big East Season. There are some local bragging rights type games. Would be help everyone's cause if there was an opening night Big East sweep.
Fordham at Johnnies
Missouri State at Butler
Central Connecticut at Providence
Saint Peter's at The Hall
Texas Southern at X
Southern Indiana at DePaul
Lafayette at Nova
Stony Brook at MU
These games are pure trash
Johnnies play solid defense in exhibition win over Towson
https://nypost.com/2024/10/26/sports/st-johns-gets-exactly-what-it-wants-from-defense-bench-in-final-tune-up/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 01, 2024, 07:54:21 AMJohnnies play solid defense in exhibition win over Towson
https://nypost.com/2024/10/26/sports/st-johns-gets-exactly-what-it-wants-from-defense-bench-in-final-tune-up/
What a test
Enquiring minds want to know the answer to these Johnnie questions
https://nypost.com/2024/11/03/sports/five-burning-questions-gnawing-at-st-johns-before-2024-25-season/
https://nypost.com/2024/11/04/sports/st-johns-can-finally-start-to-wash-away-bad-taste-lingering-from-last-season/
Here we go! Big East Schedule is pinned at the top of the page. Enjoy.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66393.msg1684342#msg1684342
Johnnies looking solid versus Rams
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 04, 2024, 06:52:52 PMJohnnies looking solid versus Rams
No, they look like crap.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 04, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNo, they look like crap.
He's not watching. He's a big-time CEO
X, Prov and Butler all being severely tested for 1 half
New era of DePaul basketball off to an excellent start. Draining 3s at will
The seton hall/st. Peters game is an abomination
MU is barely shown on FS1 tonight with all these close games
Quote from: marqfan22 on November 04, 2024, 08:46:31 PMMU is barely shown on FS1 tonight with all these close games
Use the fox sports app...
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 04, 2024, 07:20:32 PMNew era of DePaul basketball off to an excellent start. Draining 3s at will
Old Era of Depaul rearing it's ugly head down 2 with 38.8 left
What is this nova team. All new guys
DePaul is about to go down.
Wow. DePaul is still alive vs the powerhouse known as Southern Indy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 04, 2024, 09:13:24 PMWow. DePaul is still alive vs the powerhouse known as Southern Indy.
Helps the BE's cause.
DePaul didn't court storm???
I didn't expect to see UCONN and Creighton tied for last place in the standings this year
Quote from: marqfan22 on November 04, 2024, 09:48:28 PMDamn. My bad. Next time.
Should only be for the tip off games.
Excellent unbeaten first night for The Big East. Even DePaul came through with a win.
Johnnies going to be tough this season.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 04, 2024, 08:51:41 PMUse the fox sports app...
Did that with Airplay and had it on my 80" television on the patio.
Picture quality was weak but at least I saw the game.
The big east needs to have serious discussions about depauls future in the conference eh?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 04, 2024, 11:20:43 PMThe big east needs to have serious discussions about depauls future in the conference eh?
I'm sure the 26 fans that showed up really appreciated getting 5 more minutes of basketball for free
We had to show the rest of the Big East how to eat a damn cupcake
Quote from: 1SE on November 05, 2024, 12:56:38 AMI'm sure the 26 fans that showed up really appreciated getting 5 more minutes of basketball for free
Actually was a surprising turnout last night. More fans than I've seen at a non Midwest conference game since probably 2007.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 04, 2024, 09:31:14 PMDePaul didn't court storm???
they would have needed students there to do that.
They got lucky USI wasn't able to execute the foul up three. The defender grabbed his arm but the ref didn't see it. Also, a terrible final possession for USI and the coach rightfully chewed out his PG for it. The announcers mentioned he was looking at the game clock, not the shot clock.
It wasn't exactly an impressive night for the BEast other than Marquette and perhaps St. J.
An undefeated night is a great night.
Shaheen broke his wrist doing coaching stuff at halftime of the SHU game.
Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2024, 04:25:57 PMShaheen broke his wrist doing coaching stuff at halftime of the SHU game.
The parts of that game that I watched looked like everyone was playing with two broken wrists.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2024, 04:25:57 PMShaheen broke his wrist doing coaching stuff at halftime of the SHU game.
Thoughts and prayers.
Checks out.
SUPER early reaction.
But Im interested if Nova is even much better with Dixon then without.
Through 10 minutes their offense is basically Dixon 85% of the time. Which has every other player render essentially useless outside of the occasional foul drawn when dribble probing.
I'm also not sure this is even a bad strategy for Neptune. When your job is on the line might as well live or die with the best player collecting social security.
Georgetown playing much better. Only down a bucket to Lehigh with 9:43 left in the first half
Georgetown, Nova, and UConn all struggling with much lesser opponents right now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 06, 2024, 06:40:04 PMGeorgetown, Nova, and UConn all struggling with much lesser opponents right now.
Gonna take about 2 full seasons for me to begin to doubt a Hurley team.
But the 10ish minutes I watched the half court offense did not look smooth.
Of course its game 1 and when they play a team with a pulse when it matters, will probably be a well oiled machine.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 06, 2024, 06:40:04 PMGeorgetown, Nova, and UConn all struggling with much lesser opponents right now.
I'll be surprised if this is a multi-bid league this year
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 06:29:50 PMSUPER early reaction.
But Im interested if Nova is even much better with Dixon then without.
Through 10 minutes their offense is basically Dixon 85% of the time. Which has every other player render essentially useless outside of the occasional foul drawn when dribble probing.
I'm also not sure this is even a bad strategy for Neptune. When your job is on the line might as well live or die with the best player collecting social security.
Unleash Ramsey on Dixon
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 06:43:48 PMGonna take about 2 full seasons for me to begin to doubt a Hurley team.
I remember Xavier going up 10-0 on UConn in the Big East quarters and Hurley wasn't even fazed. They won by 27.
Nova down 56-55 and Dixon has 29
Might want to try and let some other players participate.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 07:35:58 PMNova down 56-55 and Dixon has 29
Might want to try and let some other players participate.
While i understand the sentiment, it looks like they have a dearth of other options right now. If he didn't have 29 I think they are being blown out right now.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 06, 2024, 07:45:17 PMWhile i understand the sentiment, it looks like they have a dearth of other options right now. If he didn't have 29 I think they are being blown out right now.
Idk. When I watched the first half. When he sat, they went on a little run and built a lead as Longino and the big guy got going. Popular hit one
Columbia got hot at the same time. Then Dixon came in and everything went through him again.
Its kinda like I said in my first post. I'm leaning towards it being close a wash. Without him, they are less talented but everyone is involved. With him its Dixon vs the opponent.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 07:35:58 PMNova down 56-55 and Dixon has 29
Might want to try and let some other players participate.
Dixon is 10/15 and 5/7 from 3. The rest of the team is 10/30 and 4/16 from 3. They should probably NOT let anyone else participate.
Does Neptune make it through the season?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 07:48:56 PMDixon is 10/15 and 5/7 from 3. The rest of the team is 10/30 and 4/16 from 3. They should probably NOT let anyone else participate.
Wrong.
As already stated.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 06, 2024, 06:40:04 PMGeorgetown, Nova, and UConn all struggling with much lesser opponents right now.
Well, this didn't age well.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 07:51:16 PMWrong.
As already stated.
Lol. If the facts don't agree with you just yell "Wrong."
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 06, 2024, 07:53:29 PMWell, this didn't age well.
Did you expect UConn to struggle for the full 40?
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 06, 2024, 07:49:14 PMDoes Neptune make it through the season?
Does he make it through the weekend?
This conference sucks outside of the top 4
Most non-triumphant.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 07:58:54 PMLol. If the facts don't agree with you just yell "Wrong."
The facts of what?
You're right. Every single team should just feed their best player. Nova is proving it works well.
People never bitch about Markus ball.
Its great coaching. Have everyone stand and watch. Play the final minute hoping to keep the home loss to Columbia under 10
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 08:10:54 PMThe facts of what?
You're right. Every single team should just feed their best player. Nova is proving it works well.
People never bitch about Markus ball.
Its great coaching. Have everyone stand and watch. Play the final minute hoping to keep the home loss to Columbia under 10
Sure. Have the rest of the squad that is shooting 33% take more shots because you don't want your dude shooting 66% to take too many.
You nailed it on Markus though. Once he was finally gone Wojo's teams were awesome.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 08:25:27 PMSure. Have the rest of the squad that is shooting 33% take more shots because you don't want your dude shooting 66% to take too many.
You nailed it on Markus though. Once he was finally gone Wojo's teams were awesome.
Yeah the facts state always run through one guy
The facts state that when not playing through Dixon for 30 minutes straight, Poplar was terrible. And Nova lost.
Lafayette isn't factually only like 17 spots worse than Columbia entering tonight.
Facts are in your words never let other guys shoot. Just let one guys shoot. It works.
Facts.
Villanova may just be bad. I was flipping between big East games so I did not see all of the Villanova game but nothing stood out as efficient or good except for Dixon. The point guard kept throwing the ball away on inbounds passes. They were terrible against the zone. Their defense gave up over 80 points. No one stood out. I was trying to give Neptune the benefit of the doubt but he looks like a really average to bad coach. Villanova has to make a move sooner rather than later. Has to be painful for their fans after two Nattys and a final four so recently.
Kalkbrenner shooting 3s as part of the offense.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 06, 2024, 08:47:10 PMVillanova may just be bad. I was flipping between big East games so I did not see all of the Villanova game but nothing stood out as efficient or good except for Dixon. The point guard kept throwing the ball away on inbounds passes. They were terrible against the zone. Their defense gave up over 80 points. No one stood out. I was trying to give Neptune the benefit of the doubt but he looks like a really average to bad coach. Villanova has to make a move sooner rather than later. Has to be painful for their fans after two Nattys and a final four so recently.
Correct. But their problem was Eric Dixon shot the ball too much. He was 11/16 and 5/7 from 3. Should've let guys like Wuga shoot the ball more. He really took over when Dixon was on the bench. Really efficient 6/14 night for him. Maybe let Longino get going. 4/13, just not enough attempts for a guy like that. Dixon wouldn't let anyone else touch the rock. Sad.
UTRGV is giving the Jays some probs.
Kalky has gone straight medieval.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 08:52:38 PMCorrect. But their problem was Eric Dixon shot the ball too much. He was 11/16 and 5/7 from 3. Should've let guys like Wuga shoot the ball more. He really took over when Dixon was on the bench. Really efficient 6/14 night for him. Maybe let Longino get going. 4/13, just not enough attempts for a guy like that. Dixon wouldn't let anyone else touch the rock. Sad.
The facts broke the man hahaha
Kalk was insane
But Creighton might wanna shore up the defense. Even with no Isaacs, not sure having Kenpom 306 within striking distance in the final minutes is ideal.
Ashworth going 16/16 at the line also pretty nuts
Kalkbrenner scores 49 points, 20/22 including 2/2 3 pointers vs. UT Rio Grande. C wins 99-86.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 06, 2024, 09:56:59 PMThe facts broke the man hahaha
Correct. Nova's problem was letting a guy who made 11 shots get 2 shots more than a guy who made 6 shots and 3 shots more than a guy who made 4 shots. The facts prove it out.
Your take was terrible. It's okay to admit you got it wrong. Dixon was by far the best player for Nova. Wasn't even remotely close. The idea that Nova's problem was Dixon is a wild take.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 06, 2024, 10:04:23 PMKalkbrenner scores 49 points, 20/22 including 2/2 3 pointers vs. UT Rio Grande. C wins 99-86.
Creighton should probably let other guys shoot the ball.
Dixon=Cancer=Markus
Creighton has issues defensively. We can attack them with relentless and painful barrages imo.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 06, 2024, 08:47:10 PMVillanova may just be bad. I was flipping between big East games so I did not see all of the Villanova game but nothing stood out as efficient or good except for Dixon. The point guard kept throwing the ball away on inbounds passes. They were terrible against the zone. Their defense gave up over 80 points. No one stood out. I was trying to give Neptune the benefit of the doubt but he looks like a really average to bad coach. Villanova has to make a move sooner rather than later. Has to be painful for their fans after two Nattys and a final four so recently.
Preview of Virginia
Big East Coaches Review
I think Neptune's fate is sealed but we will see how the season goes.
Holloway and English really need to take leaps.
Matta still doesn't seem like a good idea this go around.
Can't (yet) say the same thing about Miller
Pitino is old and will be doing the annual build a team thing.
Cooley and Holtman have A LOT of work to do.
Hurley, Shaka and McDermott are the best of the bunch.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 10:40:48 AMBig East Coaches Review
I think Neptune's fate is sealed but we will see how the season goes.
Holloway and English really need to take leaps.
Matta still doesn't seem like a good idea this go around.
Can't (yet) say the same thing about Miller
Pitino is old and will be doing the annual build a team thing.
Cooley and Holtman have A LOT of work to do.
Hurley, Shaka and McDermott are the best of the bunch.
I agree with this. Honestly, I do not get the English hype. He has a little over 50% career win percentage and an nearly identical resume to Ineptune. But the PC fanbase does not see it - yet.
That looks like a good summary Sultan
Quote from: MUbiz on November 07, 2024, 10:44:40 AMI agree with this. Honestly, I do not get the English hype. He has a little over 50% career win percentage and an nearly identical resume to Ineptune. But the PC fanbase does not see it - yet.
I disagree on Matta. He's stabilized Butler after the Jordan era. He's getting more talent than Butler should with their facilities and funding. He's exactly what they needed at the time.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 07, 2024, 11:15:35 AMI disagree on Matta. He's stabilized Butler after the Jordan era. He's getting more talent than Butler should with their facilities and funding. He's exactly what they needed at the time.
Really? He's been mediocre his first two seasons back on the bench which continues a trend we saw at Ohio State before he went on a five year hiatus. And the pre-season poll has them predicted to finish 8th.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 07, 2024, 10:44:40 AMI agree with this. Honestly, I do not get the English hype. He has a little over 50% career win percentage and an nearly identical resume to Ineptune. But the PC fanbase does not see it - yet.
He's young, energetic, and chirps on social media like they do. We'll see what happens if they don't make more progress.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 07, 2024, 11:15:35 AMI disagree on Matta. He's stabilized Butler after the Jordan era. He's getting more talent than Butler should with their facilities and funding. He's exactly what they needed at the time.
Base this on something. He's finished 9th and 8th since he got back to town.
Plus their current roster is not great.
BTW, thanks to UTRGV last night for fouling Ashworth at the end and securing Markus' BE scoring record for the time being.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 11:01:00 PMCorrect. Nova's problem was letting a guy who made 11 shots get 2 shots more than a guy who made 6 shots and 3 shots more than a guy who made 4 shots. The facts prove it out.
Your take was terrible. It's okay to admit you got it wrong. Dixon was by far the best player for Nova. Wasn't even remotely close. The idea that Nova's problem was Dixon is a wild take.
Huh?? Where did I say Dixon was the problem. That's what you are clearly too incapable to understand
I said RUNNING EVERYTHING through Dixon was the problem. And not getting anyone involved
If you actually watched the game(you very clearly didn't) you would have seen everyone standing around for an entire half as they ran zero offense except get it to Dixon. If he can't get a shot toss it out. And have nothing else.
The fact you think baskebtall coaches everywhere have just randomly missed the boat on "hey let's just only give it to the guy currently scoring" as a strategy is insane. You and Kyle Neptune. Party of 2. Elite company.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 11:01:24 PMCreighton should probably let other guys shoot the ball.
Creighton being up 5 late to Kenpom 305. Not sure this has the effect you were going for.
Its wild you cant grasp the concept of Nova running an offense centered around more than everyone just standing and watching Dixon, being different than Dixon scoring in the game flow.
Watch the games, or shut up. Its embarrassing.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 01:48:36 PMCreighton being up 5 late to Kenpom 305. Not sure this has the effect you were going for.
Its wild you cant grasp the concept of Nova running an offense centered around more than everyone just standing and watching Dixon, being different than Dixon scoring in the game flow.
Watch the games, or shut up. Its embarrassing.
Lol. You should coach every team in every sport. Sports would be way better for it. You obviously know more than every person who is responsible for coaching any athletic event right now.
You're acting like Dixon shot the ball 35 times and the next highest shot total for a player was 7. Dixon shot the ball 16 times (and made 11), while Poplar shot the ball 14 times (and made 6) and Longino shot the ball 13 times (and made 4).
You think guys like Longino and Poplar should be getting more shots. I think the guy who shot 69% (BeeJay chiming in in 3...2...1...) should probably be getting more of the shots, rather than giving them to guys who shot 42% or 30%. Or maybe you want Brickus who shot 33%, Perkins who shot 33%, Parker who shot 33%, or Boakye who shot 0% to get more shots.
You're also acting like Villanova went on this wild run when Dixon went out in the first half. Dixon went out when they were up by 3, and returned to the game with Villanova up by 5. Lol.
I watched the last 25 minutes and they struggled because 1) Neptune's halfcourt offense blows and 2) They don't have anyone else to stretch the floor with Hausen and Armstrong gone.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2024, 11:01:00 PMCorrect. Nova's problem was letting a guy who made 11 shots get 2 shots more than a guy who made 6 shots and 3 shots more than a guy who made 4 shots. The facts prove it out.
Your take was terrible. It's okay to admit you got it wrong. Dixon was by far the best player for Nova. Wasn't even remotely close. The idea that Nova's problem was Dixon is a wild take.
You're both wrong and right, IMO. Dixon should be the focal point but last night it seemed like an effort to get other guys in rhythm could have made a difference. They needed to diversify their attack.
That said, it could just be that Neptune is terrible and incapable of getting the other guys in advantageous positions.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 07, 2024, 02:02:04 PMLol. You should coach every team in every sport. Sports would be way better for it. You obviously know more than every person who is responsible for coaching any athletic event right now.
You're acting like Dixon shot the ball 35 times and the next highest shot total for a player was 7. Dixon shot the ball 16 times (and made 11), while Poplar shot the ball 14 times (and made 6) and Longino shot the ball 13 times (and made 4).
You think guys like Longino and Poplar should be getting more shots. I think the guy who shot 69% (BeeJay chiming in in 3...2...1...) should probably be getting more of the shots, rather than giving them to guys who shot 42% or 30%. Or maybe you want Brickus who shot 33%, Perkins who shot 33%, Parker who shot 33%, or Boakye who shot 0% to get more shots.
You're also acting like Villanova went on this wild run when Dixon went out in the first half. Dixon went out when they were up by 3, and returned to the game with Villanova up by 5. Lol.
This is insane that you still cant grasp anything.
There is nothing about the shot attempts. You also while on a "fact kick" tried to incorrectly state I said at any time it was Dixons fault. THe issue with Nova and their offense is it had everyone standing around watching it pound into Dixon. Zero flow. Zero attempts to get anyone else going with sets.
I should be a coach? Because I said Kyle Neptune cant run an offense? Like everyone else who follows basketball accept apparently you? Holy hell all time.
Wades new facts are Kyle Neptune basketball guru.
I didn't act like anything happened when Dixon went out. Except their offense flowed well from other guys. Facts. Longino got going. Facts. Nova won a game without Dixon. Facts. You said it yourself Nova in a game they lost by 10 was plus 2 without Dixon. Facts, thanks bro.
Incredible stuff.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 07, 2024, 02:30:00 PMYou're both wrong and right, IMO. Dixon should be the focal point but last night it seemed like an effort to get other guys in rhythm could have made a difference. They needed to diversify their attack.
That said, it could just be that Neptune is terrible and incapable of getting the other guys in advantageous positions.
Ohh Neptune is 100% terrible and probably incapable.
That's where wades who doesn't watch the game(I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that its not a lack of knowledge just ignorance) is still living in some alternate reality.
Dixon isn't bad. Dixon isn't at fault. He's not some selfish teammate. But Nova should try running offense for other guys. That's on Neptune.
Any stat Wades comes back with about Poplar being 6/14(honestly not even terrible) just further proves exactly what anyone who watched the game is saying. THey didn't run any sort of set offense for the team outside of Dixon
Dixon absolutely should be the top priority. Just not the only.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 02:47:08 PMThis is insane that you still cant grasp anything.
There is nothing about the shot attempts. You also while on a "fact kick" tried to incorrectly state I said at any time it was Dixons fault. THe issue with Nova and their offense is it had everyone standing around watching it pound into Dixon. Zero flow. Zero attempts to get anyone else going with sets.
I should be a coach? Because I said Kyle Neptune cant run an offense? Like everyone else who follows basketball accept apparently you? Holy hell all time.
Wades new facts are Kyle Neptune basketball guru.
I didn't act like anything happened when Dixon went out. Except their offense flowed well from other guys. Facts. Longino got going. Facts. Nova won a game without Dixon. Facts. You said it yourself Nova in a game they lost by 10 was plus 2 without Dixon. Facts, thanks bro.
Incredible stuff.
Haha you're all over the place buddy. You claim you aren't talking shot attempts, yet you claim the offensive issue is "it had everyone standing around watching it pound into Dixon." So...it is about shot attempts then?
You said that Nova "might want to let some other players participate." Once you realized that other players "participated" you shifted the goalposts to be about "running sets."
Love how butthurt you get when you claim people are saying you claimed something you never said, then say I said Neptune is a basketball guru.
Anyway, can't wait for your next meltdown about the next millionaire being a moron for his coaching! It's a nightly Scoop tradition I would never want to miss.
Looked to me that they were attacking a zone like they were coached by Crean.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2024, 03:36:08 PMLooked to me that they were attacking a zobe like they were coached by Crean.
Or Buzz
DePaul and Prairie View is riveting.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2024, 07:20:30 PMDePaul and Prairie View is riveting.
Blue Demons up 12-2. Game is available on FS1
DePaul is having fun hoisting 3s.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2024, 07:30:24 PMDePaul is having fun hoisting 3s.
Going to be a tough roadtrip this year for the Golden Eagles
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2024, 07:20:30 PMDePaul and Prairie View is riveting.
Yep. And the 40-50 fans in the stands are making themselves heard. My guess is that there are no long lines at the concession stands.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 07, 2024, 07:55:58 PMYep. And the 40-50 fans in the stands are making themselves heard. My guess is that there are no long lines at the concession stands.
Too bad. Probably chicago style hot dogs.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 07, 2024, 03:32:27 PMHaha you're all over the place buddy. You claim you aren't talking shot attempts, yet you claim the offensive issue is "it had everyone standing around watching it pound into Dixon." So...it is about shot attempts then?
You said that Nova "might want to let some other players participate." Once you realized that other players "participated" you shifted the goalposts to be about "running sets."
Love how butthurt you get when you claim people are saying you claimed something you never said, then say I said Neptune is a basketball guru.
Anyway, can't wait for your next meltdown about the next millionaire being a moron for his coaching! It's a nightly Scoop tradition I would never want to miss.
You're the one thats all over the place. Picking and choosing facts haha.
I have been consistent. Having players participate is literally a part of running sets.They just stand around. For the 10th time if you watched the game you'd see that. Hell if you followed any college basketball you'd see it as a major talking point.
You claim facts and then made some outrageous insinuation that I blamed Dixon. Never once did. Fail.
You keep weirdly talking coaching. Like you think Neptune is a good coach. Deflecting to me calling out bad coaching in other sports(more facts) is you admitting you are clearly a dumbass here but in too deep. Your specialty. As a mental midget addicted to arguing no matter how stupid they are
Keep spamming the page with non facts.
Dixon usage under Neptune has sky rocketed. They have been bad every year. More facts.
Nova lost yesterday. Fact. They won the first game. Fact.
You argue just to argue and spin and circles. And then made the most insane comment that a team should strictly run through one guy and have him only shoot. MENTAL
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 08:49:32 PMYou're the one thats all over the place. Picking and choosing facts haha.
I have been consistent. Having players participate is literally a part of running sets.They just stand around. For the 10th time if you watched the game you'd see that. Hell if you followed any college basketball you'd see it as a major talking point.
You claim facts and then made some outrageous insinuation that I blamed Dixon. Never once did. Fail.
You keep weirdly talking coaching. Like you think Neptune is a good coach. Deflecting to me calling out bad coaching in other sports(more facts) is you admitting you are clearly a dumbass here but in too deep. Your specialty. As a mental midget addicted to arguing no matter how stupid they are
Keep spamming the page with non facts.
Dixon usage under Neptune has sky rocketed. They have been bad every year. More facts.
Nova lost yesterday. Fact. They won the first game. Fact.
You argue just to argue and spin and circles. And then made the most insane comment that a team should strictly run through one guy and have him only shoot. MENTAL
LOL! Someone's big mad. And a very classy kid.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 07, 2024, 09:18:32 PMLOL! Someone's big mad. And a very classy kid.
Coming from the guy so mentally unraveled he changed his username?!?!?!
Hahah. There is no lower form of loser. Shifting goal posts and rage changing a user name.
Honestly, ALL TIME.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 09:26:15 PMComing from the guy so mentally unraveled he changed his username?!?!?!
Hahah. There is no lower form of loser. Shifting goal posts and rage changing a user name.
Honestly, ALL TIME.
Keep going.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 07, 2024, 09:31:22 PMKeep going.
You're the one who keeps quoting me. Like you cant stop.
Use that as your next name change "Cant Stop".
Blue Demons with a solid win.
Nova screwed the Big East with their home loss .
Quote from: MUbiz on November 07, 2024, 10:44:40 AMI agree with this. Honestly, I do not get the English hype. He has a little over 50% career win percentage and an nearly identical resume to Ineptune. But the PC fanbase does not see it - yet.
I was mildly impressed that he kept PC respectable after Hopkins went down last season. But how much of that was him and how much was Carter becoming a first round draft pick? Game 1 this season was not inspiring.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 09:39:23 PMYou're the one who keeps quoting me. Like you cant stop.
Use that as your next name change "Cant Stop".
Oh better idea. I could use any number of derogatory terms for cognitively disabled people you throw around on here.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 07, 2024, 09:56:38 PMOh better idea. I could use any number of derogatory terms for cognitively disabled people you throw around on here.
You should probably journal about it. That and my disdain for bad coaching.
Its all got you unhinged.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 10:01:17 PMYou should probably journal about it. That and my disdain for bad coaching.
Its all got you unhinged.
Yes I'm the unhinged one here. Any other terms you want to use to disparage cognitively disabled people here? I know I'm enjoying it.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 07, 2024, 10:08:03 PMYes I'm the unhinged one here. Any other terms you want to use to disparage cognitively disabled people here? I know I'm enjoying it.
Yeah you are unhinged.
You quoted me. You then got so off track you talked about things I do irrelevant to here. Kept responding to me. Changed your online user name because of me. Came back to comment more. Complain about being called mental when you display the before mentioned behavior. You then like my comments. Then spend 3 minutes thinking of a reply.
I couldn't be anymore in your head. And you are going to keep coming back for more.
Looks like the non-Wolves fan got rattled on here again.
Quote from: withoutbias on November 07, 2024, 10:16:54 PMLooks like the non-Wolves fan got rattled on here again.
Well this is rich,
COming from the guy who only stalks me. Is the only person on this board whose entire post history is fighting with someone different on non MU topics. And first post on here during season is about me
But thank you for at least correctly identifying my NBA fandom. Baby steps.
Enjoying all the BE results being discussed
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 11:22:49 AMReally? He's been mediocre his first two seasons back on the bench which continues a trend we saw at Ohio State before he went on a five year hiatus. And the pre-season poll has them predicted to finish 8th.
Considering the circumstances and money at Butler, I think he did excellent last year. Improved Butler from 119 at kenpom in 2023 and projected 96 to a finish at 61 in 2024. Wins over Boise, Texas Tech, Marquette, and Creighton along the way, all tourney teams. Was in the bubble hunt until mid-February.
I think that's become a really tough job in the NIL era and while I don't expect them to get to the top of the league, I think getting them to the point of competing for a bid with guys that are mid-major players or high-major castoffs is about as good as you can hope for.
I certainly think Hurley, Shaka, and McDermott are the class of the league, but I think Miller and Matta in terms of coaching are pretty close.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 08, 2024, 09:11:17 AMConsidering the circumstances and money at Butler, I think he did excellent last year. Improved Butler from 119 at kenpom in 2023 and projected 96 to a finish at 61 in 2024. Wins over Boise, Texas Tech, Marquette, and Creighton along the way, all tourney teams. Was in the bubble hunt until mid-February.
I think that's become a really tough job in the NIL era and while I don't expect them to get to the top of the league, I think getting them to the point of competing for a bid with guys that are mid-major players or high-major castoffs is about as good as you can hope for.
I certainly think Hurley, Shaka, and McDermott are the class of the league, but I think Miller and Matta in terms of coaching are pretty close.
Butler is garbage and Matta should retire to Goblin Island
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 10:26:48 PMWell this is rich,
COming from the guy who only stalks me. Is the only person on this board whose entire post history is fighting with someone different on non MU topics. And first post on here during season is about me
But thank you for at least correctly identifying my NBA fandom. Baby steps.
Haha. Do I "only stalk you" or is my "entire post history fighting with someone different?"
Quote from: withoutbias on November 08, 2024, 10:13:01 AMHaha. Do I "only stalk you" or is my "entire post history fighting with someone different?"
Uhhhh both?
Not sure how those things have to be one or the other. This should absolutely be rhetorical btw. I am sure you will find a way to defy the odds.
Why in the world did Nova bring back Neptune for another season? Insane.
Austin Peay is thumping Butler?? At Hinkle? WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2024, 06:55:01 PMAustin Peay is thumping Butler?? At Hinkle? WTF?
And X let IU Indy the 2nd worst Kenpom team in the country semi hang around and drop 80 pts
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2024, 07:01:53 PMAnd X let IU Indy the 2nd worst Kenpom team in the country semi hang around and drop 80 pts
Wow.
League continuing to look collectively not great.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 08, 2024, 07:32:17 PMLeague continuing to look collectively not great.
Brutal Brew. WTF is Matta thinking vs the Peay? Complete meltdown. Does he know one guy is killing them?
Some pretty borderline stolen valor by AP's coach?
The freshman dwarf gave Butler a chance to win it at the horn.
But Brooks missed
Woof. Bad loss.
Matta won't be back next year.
Solid win for X
Butler embarrassing Big East with loss to Austin Peay
Herman I've never seen you so pissed about a loss.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 08, 2024, 10:25:13 PMHerman I've never seen you so pissed about a loss.
Nah, he is dead
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2024, 09:15:08 PMButler embarrassing Big East with loss to Austin Peay
Is that really worse than Villanova's loss to Columbia earlier this week? At least, though, Nova won demonstrably tonight.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2024, 09:15:08 PMButler embarrassing Big East with loss to Austin Peay
Was The Fly open?
Nova reasserted themselves against NJIT. League can not afford another Neptune lousy season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 09, 2024, 11:04:26 AMNova reasserted themselves against NJIT. League can not afford another Neptune lousy season.
Of course it can. And it will.
The Hall in a tight one with Fordham.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 09, 2024, 12:29:17 PMThe Hall in a tight one with Fordham.
Fordham is stacked this year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2024, 12:39:02 PMFordham is stacked this year
Does 183 on Kenpom count as "stacked"?
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on November 09, 2024, 01:03:32 PMDoes 183 on Kenpom count as "stacked"?
For Buffoon Cain, it does, and he knows ball
Seton Hall lol
This league wooooooooooooooooof
Buzzer beater for Fordham. Seton Hall has zero offense.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1855327938847121461?t=uu2OtALAGHSN7frSxTQc3w&s=19
Good. Shaheen is a fake tough guy.
That's a good loss for Seton Hall. Will help them refocus and won't hurt their RPI
St Johns down 4 at half to Quinnipiac. Jeez.
As a college hockey and most importantly gopher hockey fan. I know all too well the dangers of the bobcats
But basketball? That's #237 in Kenpom.
MU hopefully can get some resume wins in non-con because the Big East kinda really sucks so far.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 09, 2024, 01:15:01 PMBuzzer beater for Fordham. Seton Hall has zero offense.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1855327938847121461?t=uu2OtALAGHSN7frSxTQc3w&s=19
Are those Kyle Neptune recruits?
There's always a lot of fretting over the quality of the Big East, but it sure seems warranted this season.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 09, 2024, 02:10:49 PMThere's always a lot of fretting over the quality of the Big East, but it sure seems warranted this season.
No excuses for Shaka this year who everybody says is the best coach in the Big East
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 09, 2024, 01:17:54 PMGood. Shaheen is a fake tough guy.
Not wanting to dox you, this sounds just like Wadesworld, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 09, 2024, 02:38:30 PMNot wanting to dox you, this sounds just like Wadesworld, aina?
Feel free my dude. I don't pretend to be tough at all. I've already had good buddies of yours contacting my HR department. You know, what real tough guys do.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 09, 2024, 02:53:15 PMFeel free my dude. I don't pretend to be tough at all. I've already had good buddies of yours contacting my HR department. You know, what real tough guys do.
That's because they're snowflakes
St. John's wins by 23. Oddly, the game wasn't over at halftime. Huh.
Anyway, Georgetown and Fairfield tied at 31 at half. Big East sucks
FDU at Creighton tomorrow. Terrence Brown to ski-u-mah aina
The Hall Embarrasses The Big East. Will Shaheen be on hot seat soon?
Hermie isn't f-ing around this season. He's seen enough.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 09, 2024, 09:30:11 PMHermie isn't f-ing around this season. He's seen enough.
Yep. He's going hard on his obvious observations this year!
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 09, 2024, 02:10:49 PMThere's always a lot of fretting over the quality of the Big East, but it sure seems warranted this season.
Agree, not the best version of the Big East this year, but for context, yesterday the B10 went 2-2 with a win margin in the 2 games of 9 versus Omaha and Bethune-Cookman.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 09, 2024, 09:39:14 PMYep. He's going hard on his obvious observations this year!
Give him credit, he is dead.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 10, 2024, 08:19:54 AMGive him credit, he is dead.
Good, he can't sexually harass women anymore
6-7 Brady Dunlap ,Johnnie 3 Point Specialist goes 5-7 from distance to defeat Bobcats
https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/sports/brady-dunlap-rises-to-occasion-with-career-high-20-points-to-power-st-johns-over-quinnipiac/
Hammerin dat FDU +35.5. Let's get rich!
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 10, 2024, 01:01:43 PMHammerin dat FDU +35.5. Let's get rich!
Already 36 and sinned
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 10, 2024, 07:46:44 AMAgree, not the best version of the Big East this year, but for context, yesterday the B10 went 2-2 with a win margin in the 2 games of 9 versus Omaha and Bethune-Cookman.
How dare you try to provide perspective. This is Scoop, sir!!
Creighton scoop melting down about how the coaching stinks, the scheme stinks, why didn't Kalkbrenner go pro, too many 3s, not enough midrange
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2024, 04:43:50 PMCreighton scoop melting down about how the coaching stinks, the scheme stinks, why didn't Kalkbrenner go pro, too many 3s, not enough midrange
Do you think the Creighton Dental school alums are afraid of Omaha
Starting to exhibit the Blue Jay way.
Maybe FDU can help out MU by beating Nebraska on Wednesday.
Creighton Scoop Viper is worried about them losing to RED - Nebraska in this case. Hoiberg knows ball.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 10, 2024, 04:53:18 PMCreighton Scoop Viper is worried about them losing to RED - Nebraska in this case. Hoiberg knows ball.
You saying Hoiberg owns McDermott
Creighton loss....
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 10, 2024, 01:01:43 PMHammerin dat FDU +35.5. Let's get rich!
Easy money. #Eating
Solid win for Creighton. So the big question is who gets Big East Player of The Week? Kam or Kalk?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2024, 06:24:24 PMSolid win for Creighton. So the big question is who gets Big East Player of The Week? Kam or Kalk?
They didn't cover, not a solid win
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2024, 06:24:24 PMSolid win for Creighton. So the big question is who gets Big East Player of The Week? Kam or Kalk?
Has to be Kalk. 36.5 ppg on 90.6% shooting. That's insane. Kam will rack up plenty of POYs this year.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 11, 2024, 09:49:46 AMHas to be Kalk. 36.5 ppg on 90.6% shooting. That's insane. Kam will rack up plenty of POYs this year.
I love the optimism.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 11, 2024, 10:45:13 AMI love the optimism.
Well since it's Veterans Day it would have been bad form to say he'd rack up POWs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2024, 07:35:09 PMBrutal Brew. WTF is Matta thinking vs the Peay? Complete meltdown. Does he know one guy is killing them?
Matta's back is about to start hurting again.
Sore back? No Matta.
Sore back? Thad to hear.
DePaul throttling Mercer
DePaul up 32 at half over Mercer
Butler and Depaul with excellent wins tonight. Helps the Big East cause for their continuous feast on weaker teams.
Nova down 4 to St. Joe's at the U16 in the 2nd half.
Providence leads Hampton, 8-6 midway in the 1st half. What an exciting game!
Former MU target Mathew Hodge who ended up at Nova, eligibility stymied by NCAA
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-basketball-matthew-hodge-ncaa-eligibility-20241111.html
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 12, 2024, 05:58:24 PMProvidence leads Hampton, 8-6 midway in the 1st half. What an exciting game!
Hampton on a 5-0 run
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 06:03:23 PM8-0 now. Friars officially in peril
Damn! I turned the game off just before it got really exciting.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 12, 2024, 05:58:24 PMProvidence leads Hampton, 8-6 midway in the 1st half. What an exciting game!
Providence was up 8-0 with 15:13 to go in the half.
They then trailed 11-8 with 8:38 left. What in the world.
We can probably go ahead and speculate on who the next Villanova coach is going to be
St. Joe's outclasses Nova in the Big 5
Hampton up 8 late in the 1st half against the Dence.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 06:12:22 PMWe can probably go ahead and speculate on who the next Villanova coach is going to be
Yup, mid season firing looms, and rightfully so. Try to get a leg up on your next hire by not wasting any more time imo.
Wojo might be available on an interim basis 😂
Quote from: DoctorV on November 12, 2024, 06:32:41 PMYup, mid season firing looms, and rightfully so. Try to get a leg up on your next hire by not wasting any more time imo.
Wojo might be available on an interim basis 😂
Don't get Herm so excited
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 06:22:13 PMSt. Joe's outclasses Nova in the Big 5
Hampton up 8 late in the 1st half against the Dence.
You have got to be S-iiiing me? What in the H is going on here?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 06:48:48 PMYou have got to be S-iiiing me? What in the H is going on here?
The league isn't clubbing enough manatees for bonding and luck
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2024, 06:56:15 PMThe league isn't clubbing enough manatees for bonding and luck
No need to bring one of our tremendous marine mammals into this discussion.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 06:59:52 PMNo need to bring one of our tremendous marine mammals into this discussion.
I just had manatee bacon, paired well with PinotNoir
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 06:59:52 PMNo need to bring one of our tremendous marine mammals into this discussion.
You asked what was going on!
The Dence wins, holding Hampton to 21 points in half two.
Not a pretty win but a win
Nova embarrassing the Big East again this year .
How hot is Neptunes seat?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 12, 2024, 07:55:19 PMNova embarrassing the Big East again this year .
How hot is Neptunes seat?
They screwed the BE.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2024, 06:56:15 PMThe league isn't clubbing enough manatees for bonding and luck
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 06:59:52 PMNo need to bring one of our tremendous marine mammals into this discussion.
How does this work? Does Scoop have a feature that alerts you when someone mentions manatees (or otherwise disparages extremely valuable members of the animal kingdom)? Do you have a macro that responds automatically?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 13, 2024, 07:55:23 AMHow does this work? Does Scoop have a feature that alerts you when someone mentions manatees (or otherwise disparages extremely valuable members of the animal kingdom)? Do you have a macro that responds automatically?
He lives here 24/7
AI
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 13, 2024, 07:55:23 AMHow does this work? Does Scoop have a feature that alerts you when someone mentions manatees (or otherwise disparages extremely valuable members of the animal kingdom)? Do you have a macro that responds automatically?
Yep. Rocky included it in the new server setup.
Not a great start for the BE. I bet St. Joe's moneyline last night; Nova has looked TURRRRIBBBLLE when I've watched this season. Might keep betting against them until they show some life.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 13, 2024, 08:34:29 AMNot a great start for the BE. I bet St. Joe's moneyline last night; Nova has looked TURRRRIBBBLLE when I've watched this season. Might keep betting against them until they show some life.
Pretty bad defensively. In their losses, they haven't been able to get stops at all
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 06:22:13 PMSt. Joe's outclasses Nova in the Big 5
Hampton up 8 late in the 1st half against the Dence.
Neptune has now lost three straight in the Big Five (two straight to St Joe's) and also has losses to Temple, Drexel and Penn in Big Five games. They have also lost to traditional powerhouses Columbia (home), Portland, DePaul, Liberty, and VCU, the latter at home in the NIT. He gone...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2024, 09:00:05 AMNeptune has now lost three straight in the Big Five (two straight to St Joe's) and also has losses to Temple, Drexel and Penn in Big Five games. They have also lost to traditional powerhouses Columbia (home), Portland, DePaul, Liberty, and VCU, the latter two at home in the NIT. He gone...
Neptune is genuinely what many on here claimed Wojo was.
Wojo to Nova would be tremendous content
Quote from: Hidden User on November 13, 2024, 02:31:43 PMWojo to Nova would be tremendous content
And Scoop would collapse if Nova beat MU with Woj as coach.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 13, 2024, 02:50:38 PMAnd Scoop would collapse if Nova beat MU with Woj as coach.
I will recreate this photo and post it on scoop/make my profile pic if Wojo beats Marquette as the Villanova head coach at any point. Not joking, I will travel to this spot and trespass if I need to.
(https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/09/20073149/D8CB02A2-9429-4FDE-840E-DCF56AECDAFB_1_105_c.jpeg)
Neptune will be gone, but unfortunately, nothing will be able to happen until Villanova hires its new AD (Jackson was hired at Northwestern earlier this Fall). That hire will be interesting to see what type of experience he/she has, and what connections they have to respective basketball coaches and/or agents.
Quote from: Hidden User on November 13, 2024, 03:27:03 PMI will recreate this photo and post it on scoop/make my profile pic if Wojo beats Marquette as the Villanova head coach at any point. Not joking, I will travel to this spot and trespass if I need to.
(https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/09/20073149/D8CB02A2-9429-4FDE-840E-DCF56AECDAFB_1_105_c.jpeg)
Why are you doing this 😂
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 12, 2024, 07:55:19 PMNova embarrassing the Big East again this year .
How hot is Neptunes seat?
Hotter than Uranus!
St. John's up 31-22 at half over Wagner
13-22 from the charity stripe. Interestingly, hadn't gotten to the line a ton in their first two games
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2024, 06:34:12 PMSt. John's up 31-22 at half over Wagner
13-22 from the charity stripe. Interestingly, hadn't gotten to the line a ton in their first two games
One possession game, 10 minutes to go.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2024, 07:15:17 PMOne possession game, 10 minutes to go.
Wagner 3-15 from 3, St. John's 2-10. Weird game
SJU may have righted the ship.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2024, 07:17:20 PMSJU may have righted the ship.
3 triples in 5 possessions will fix a lot of things
MU should try it.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2024, 07:21:20 PMMU should try it.
Since it was 39-37, the Johnnies have made 5 3's, dunked, had a layup, 2-3 from the line and 1 jump shot
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2024, 07:31:01 PMSince it was 39-37, the Johnnies have made 5 3's, dunked, had a layup, 2-3 from the line and 1 jump shot
Who is winning? My math is dentist math.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 13, 2024, 07:49:24 PMWho is winning? My math is dentist math.
St. John's won.
Hall 24 Hofstra 22 at half
Solid win for Johnnies over Wagner
Solid win for Johnnies over Wagner.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/13/sports/no-22-st-johns-staves-off-wagner-scar/
Lots of good pictures in article.
The Hall loses to Hofstra.
Brutal 1-2 start to the season for them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 13, 2024, 09:54:57 PMThe Hall loses to Hofstra.
Brutal 1-2 start to the season for them.
Uh-Oh. Not good.
Nothing like putting up 48 points against Hofstra.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 13, 2024, 11:51:41 PMNothing like putting up 48 points against Hofstra.
Sha not looking like the home run hire anymore.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2024, 07:40:20 AMSha not looking like the home run hire anymore.
I think Sha is overrated and annoying so don't wanna defend him too much
But not sure John Wooden could win with this roster
Of course, sha brought this roster in this year so that's his fault.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2024, 08:01:27 AMI think Sha is overrated and annoying so don't wanna defend him too much
But not sure John Wooden could win with this roster
Of course, sha brought this roster in this year so that's his fault.
Well that's really it. He's hard to play for, and there isn't enough money for what he wants to build.
Really, what it boils down to is that SHU isn't a great job.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2024, 08:07:00 AMWell that's really it. He's hard to play for, and there isn't enough money for what he wants to build.
Really, what it boils down to is that SHU isn't a great job.
The last part is correct and his St. Peter's teams were always terrible offensive teams. They got hot in March and the rest is history. He hasn't shown me that he can coach a competent offensive team
Kalkbrenner's PPG average takes a hit after only dropping 16 points last night against Houston Christian (f.k.a. Houston Baptist). CU went on a 34-2 run in the first half to blow the game open.
The Hall screwed The Big East.
Speedy Claxton doing a great job for Hofstra.
Hopefully, Nova reaches out to Speedy after Neptune gets shown the door. I doubt if The Hall would have a chance to hire Speedy if Sha gets canned
Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2024, 04:36:22 PMHotter than Uranus!
According to NASA data, Neptune is slightly warmer than Uranus, with an average temperature of around -330°F (-200°C) compared to Uranus's average of -320°F (-195°C); however, Uranus holds the record for the coldest temperature ever measured in the solar system, reaching significantly lower temperatures than Neptune at times due to its unusual tilt.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2024, 11:48:29 AMThe Hall screwed The Big East.
Speedy Claxton doing a great job for Hofstra.
Hopefully, Nova reaches out to Speedy after Neptune gets shown the door. I doubt if The Hall would have a chance to hire Speedy if Sha gets canned
The last time Nova hired a MBB coach from Hofstra it worked our pretty well for them. They should be talking to his agent now.
I would be surprised if the Hall cut bait with Sha after only three years. He's a beloved alumnus and he has three years left on his contract and the Hall doesn't have deep pockets. And, at a place like SH, the NIT title last year will have some meaning. They also recognize they don't have the NIL infrastructure in place that other BE schools do.
Sha was trying to get out this off-season. Wouldn't surprise me if he jumped.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 14, 2024, 02:18:33 PMHe's a beloved alumnus
One of the responses during Sha's postgame presser (courtesy of Jaden Daly):
On a message to the fans:
"Already? That question? I'm not sure how you guys want me to answer that question. I think that question is really not a good question right now. It's three games in and you guys are worried about the fan base. Why would the fan base worry right now? I know it's two tough games, but you guys gotta look at it like this, right? Fordham is an Atlantic 10 school, it's not a MEAC school. And I'm not disrespecting the MEAC, so let me be very clear with what I'm saying right now: It's an Atlantic 10 school, that's a quality opponent. Hofstra is a Colonial, very good opponent. Hofstra wins 20 games a year. Should we have lost this game? I don't think so, right? But these are the games that you gotta have early on so you could have success later. So what should I say to the fan base, because everybody keeps asking me that same question? Step by step. We're gonna put it together, we're gonna figure it out. I gotta get back in the lab and tweak some things, and get the guys ready for Saturday against a good Wagner team."
He may return to beloved status after his Ewing moment, but I don't know if he's too beloved right now.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 14, 2024, 12:39:37 PMAccording to NASA data, Neptune is slightly warmer than Uranus, with an average temperature of around -330°F (-200°C) compared to Uranus's average of -320°F (-195°C); however, Uranus holds the record for the coldest temperature ever measured in the solar system, reaching significantly lower temperatures than Neptune at times due to its unusual tilt.
You coulda just said, "Yep, you're right."
Quote from: barfolomew on November 14, 2024, 03:54:31 PMOne of the responses during Sha's postgame presser (courtesy of Jaden Daly):
On a message to the fans:
"Already? That question? I'm not sure how you guys want me to answer that question. I think that question is really not a good question right now. It's three games in and you guys are worried about the fan base. Why would the fan base worry right now? I know it's two tough games, but you guys gotta look at it like this, right? Fordham is an Atlantic 10 school, it's not a MEAC school. And I'm not disrespecting the MEAC, so let me be very clear with what I'm saying right now: It's an Atlantic 10 school, that's a quality opponent. Hofstra is a Colonial, very good opponent. Hofstra wins 20 games a year. Should we have lost this game? I don't think so, right? But these are the games that you gotta have early on so you could have success later. So what should I say to the fan base, because everybody keeps asking me that same question? Step by step. We're gonna put it together, we're gonna figure it out. I gotta get back in the lab and tweak some things, and get the guys ready for Saturday against a good Wagner team."
He may return to beloved status after his Ewing moment, but I don't know if he's too beloved right now.
"....against a good Wagner team" Hedging against a loss.
Quote from: barfolomew on November 14, 2024, 03:54:31 PMOne of the responses during Sha's postgame presser (courtesy of Jaden Daly):
On a message to the fans:
"Already? That question? I'm not sure how you guys want me to answer that question. I think that question is really not a good question right now. It's three games in and you guys are worried about the fan base. Why would the fan base worry right now? I know it's two tough games, but you guys gotta look at it like this, right? Fordham is an Atlantic 10 school, it's not a MEAC school. And I'm not disrespecting the MEAC, so let me be very clear with what I'm saying right now: It's an Atlantic 10 school, that's a quality opponent. Hofstra is a Colonial, very good opponent. Hofstra wins 20 games a year. Should we have lost this game? I don't think so, right? But these are the games that you gotta have early on so you could have success later. So what should I say to the fan base, because everybody keeps asking me that same question? Step by step. We're gonna put it together, we're gonna figure it out. I gotta get back in the lab and tweak some things, and get the guys ready for Saturday against a good Wagner team."
He may return to beloved status after his Ewing moment, but I don't know if he's too beloved right now.
Sha makes some solid points. However what he is leaving out, is that his own team Is effectively at the A-10 or Colonial level talent wise. Doesn't mean he can get a lot out of his squad and mold them to play in the scrappy underdog role all season. I think Seton Hall fan base was hoping for more of a top half Big East program that they consistently had under Willard
Virginia up 5 at the half against Nova
Big East probably going to take another loss as Nova is down 10 in the 2nd half against Virginia...and looking lifeless.
Amazing how fast bad coaching can kill a program.
Kyle Neptune announced his retirement during halftime, citing his desire to spend more time with Tony Bennett.
"The college basketball landscape has just changed so much since the game started this afternoon." said Neptune. "I owe it to my team to be 100% fully vested in the second half, and that's just not where I'm at right now."
Down 17 now...to Virginia.
Outrageous.
Villanova down 17 to Virginia
Quote from: barfolomew on November 15, 2024, 05:28:16 PMKyle Neptune announced his retirement during halftime, citing his desire to spend more time with Tony Bennett.
"The college basketball landscape has just changed so much since the game started this afternoon." said Neptune. "I owe it to my team to be 100% fully vested in the second half, and that's just not where I'm at right now."
Well done - you win the internet today!
I just saw the score. Neptune will not last long. I'm honestly not sure why they brought him back.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 15, 2024, 05:26:40 PMAmazing how fast bad coaching can kill a program.
Were you around for the Dukiet years?! I survived them.
Dukiet was the nadir of the last 55 years.
Excellent win for Butler
Quote from: mug644 on November 15, 2024, 06:32:23 PMWere you around for the Dukiet years?! I survived them.
If I'm not mistaken, my time at Marquette ('87-'91) was the worst four year stretch in the program's history.
Quote from: mug644 on November 15, 2024, 06:32:23 PMWere you around for the Dukiet years?! I survived them.
I was actually. My freshman year was his last year.
Villanova better do something quick. Good coaches make big money for a reason.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 16, 2024, 07:19:39 AMI was actually. My freshman year was his last year.
Villanova better do something quick. Good coaches make big money for a reason.
Unless there is consistent improvement over the course of the season, they will move on.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 16, 2024, 07:04:05 AMIf I'm not mistaken, my time at Marquette ('87-'91) was the worst four year stretch in the program's history.
Yep. (Class of '91 here)
Good start for X. Of course one of their players is 25.
I'm not certain if this is something that has become more the norm in the past two or three years, and perhaps it coincides with analytics, and a change in how the selection committee assembles the tournament bracket, but I love how there seem to be so many more legitimate non-conference games now. WF vs X is a game I want to see. The cupcake games are still there, obviously, but it's awesome to watch high level CBB in November.
Quote from: romey on November 16, 2024, 11:48:48 AMI'm not certain if this is something that has become more the norm in the past two or three years, and perhaps it coincides with analytics, and a change in how the selection committee assembles the tournament bracket, but I love how there seem to be so many more legitimate non-conference games now. WF vs X is a game I want to see. The cupcake games are still there, obviously, but it's awesome to watch high level CBB in November.
Believe this is a Skip Prosser matchup to honor him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2024, 11:54:54 AMBelieve this is a Skip Prosser matchup to honor him
Cool. It wasn't that long ago we had to wait until Thanksgiving Holiday tourneys to see very many quality games.
Quote from: romey on November 16, 2024, 11:58:37 AMCool. It wasn't that long ago we had to wait until Thanksgiving Holiday tourneys to see very many quality games.
I think this might one of the good things of conference realignment that conference games have to start earlier, we're seeing these games earlier
I'm currently sitting at the bar Tombs on Georgetown's campus which is supposedly their main bar and the Gtown/ND game is on one TV. Other than me and my MU friends no one is watching. This program is dead. The bartended is in grad school here and she undergrad too and said she's never been to a game. I can't imagine that
Quote from: swoopem on November 16, 2024, 12:21:19 PMI'm currently sitting at the bar Tombs
Sounds like that bar is pretty dead.
Quote from: romey on November 16, 2024, 11:48:48 AMWF vs X is a game I want to see. The cupcake games are still there, obviously, but it's awesome to watch high level CBB in November.
To each their own...
X wins by 15 at home against Wake Forest who has a home win against Michigan
Seton Hall beats Wagner, 54-28 in a game no one should ever discuss ever again
And Georgetown down 15 at home at half against Notre Dame. Good job, Hoyas
X with an excellent win. Zach Freemantle looks healthy
Georgetown is just a disaster.
Ed Cooley fraud watch never been on higher alert.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 16, 2024, 01:56:16 PMEd Cooley fraud watch never been on higher alert.
I knew he was a fraud when Hermie started praising him. Not quite the 4ever kiss of death, but pretty close.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 16, 2024, 01:59:09 PMI knew he was a fraud when Hermie started praising him. Not quite the 4ever kiss of death, but pretty close.
Herm liked Cooley because he cheated on his wife. That's a plus for Herm
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2024, 02:48:35 PMHerm liked Cooley because he cheated on his wife. That's a plus for Herm
Very Christian Evangelical
Georgetown's problems are more than Ed Cooley.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 16, 2024, 12:56:56 PMTo each their own...
So you'd rather watch MU at CMU or Xavier at Wofford?
Quote from: romey on November 16, 2024, 04:28:32 PMSo you'd rather watch MU at CMU or Xavier at Wofford?
Yes to MU Vs anyone, but read what I quoted. Bro is calling WF "high level CBB"
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 16, 2024, 04:40:24 PMYes to MU Vs anyone, but read what I quoted. Bro is calling WF "high level CBB"
Fair enough. "Bro" is me. I guess I meant D-1 major conference basketball instead of high level. That's all. When I'm channel surfing I'm not likely to stop on a broadcast of the games Rico posts every day, but I did stop to watch X and WF.
To each their own.
Quote from: romey on November 16, 2024, 05:06:09 PMFair enough. "Bro" is me. I guess I meant D-1 major conference basketball instead of high level. That's all. When I'm channel surfing I'm not likely to stop on a broadcast of the games Rico posts every day, but I did stop to watch X and WF.
To each their own.
So you don't watch the important games that impact #mubb
Not everyone can be a true ball knower
The Dence up 9 over UWGB with 5 and change left
What an absolute debacle Georgetown has been.
Mr. Cooley embarrassing the Big East. Year 2 of Shrewsberry at ND looking solid
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 16, 2024, 05:52:09 PMWhat an absolute debacle Georgetown has been.
Suggestions?
The Hall with solid win almost doubling Wagners point total.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 16, 2024, 08:03:57 PMThe Hall with solid win almost doubling Wagners point total.
Wagner is #306 in Ken Pom.........
Quote from: Nukem2 on November 16, 2024, 08:20:52 PMWagner is #306 in Ken Pom.........
Lutherans can't ball.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2024, 07:55:47 PMSuggestions?
I root for Georgetown to do well, but I want Cooley to crash and burn. I'm conflicted.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 16, 2024, 08:52:47 PMI root for Georgetown to do well, but I want Cooley to crash and burn. I'm conflicted.
If he is not successful, the budget is likely to get cut significantly. There's not a line of coaches eager to jump into underfunded programs.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2024, 10:30:05 PMIf he is not successful, the budget is likely to get cut significantly. There's not a line of coaches eager to jump into underfunded programs.
Then they should drop to D3 and stop pretending to be serious about college basketball.
Quote from: Nukem2 on November 16, 2024, 08:20:52 PMWagner is #306 in Ken Pom.........
Herman watches Ken Pom like he watches the roofs of the numerous plants he operates in hurricane stricken areas
Quote from: Hidden User on November 17, 2024, 02:40:36 AMHerman watches Ken Pom like he watches the roofs of the numerous plants he operates in hurricane stricken areas
In other words, he doesn't know what he's talking about
New Mexico is tough. Hopefully the Johnnies get the W today. -7.5 seems like a lot to me.
Slick Rick and Johnnies imposing their will on lil Rich and UNM in this first half.
UNM getting some good looks tho so they may be able to go on a run to answer. But getting killed on the glass.
Pitino appears to have successfully recruited a bigger, more athletic team. For this game, rebounding is the difference.
St. J is a tough cover with their 6'6 attackers.
New Mexico made a game of it but 7/18 at the line is gonna hurt ya.
Johnnies with a nice win
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 16, 2024, 10:30:05 PMIf he is not successful, the budget is likely to get cut significantly. There's not a line of coaches eager to jump into underfunded programs.
Georgetown's athletic department outside of basketball is surprisingly under-funded. It was surprising to me when my daughter went there. They have had such high visibility for so long, I always assumed their athletics were well funded. Definitely not.
Father Knows best. Excellent win for Johnnies.
Villanova makes a very good AD hire - former Nova SA who most recently was at Oregon as their basketball administrator. Neptune's seat gets hotter:
https://goducks.com/staff-directory/eric-roedl/13
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1858956175867605340
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 19, 2024, 01:47:44 PMVillanova makes a very good AD hire - former Nova SA who most recently was at Oregon as their basketball administrator. Neptune's seat gets hotter:
https://goducks.com/staff-directory/eric-roedl/13
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1858956175867605340
Targeting #donedeal
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2024, 05:17:48 PMTargeting #donedeal
Need a second source, Thamel isn't very reliable.
Excellent win bu Nova in a Big 5 game. Big East needed that.
DePaul smart job of scheduling plenty of winnable non conference game. Blue Demons improve to 5-0. When NET rankings come out in December they wont be buries in 300s again. Big East will benefit as a result.
Solid win for X . Freemantle continuing to play starter minutes bodes well for their Season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 21, 2024, 07:26:41 AMSolid win for X . Freemantle continuing to play starter minutes bodes well for their Season.
Siena is 297 in KenPom for anyone following along
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 07:31:18 AMSiena is 297 in KenPom for anyone following along
I've noticed more cognitive decline from Herm, maybe his spirit time coming to an end.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 21, 2024, 07:26:41 AMSolid win for X . Freemantle continuing to play starter minutes bodes well for their Season.
X has several guys who can score, and yes, Freemantle looks invested and healthy thus far. Interesting post-game comments from Sean Miller after the last game about some guys not carrying their weight on D, and that now that they have had a few games to identify that he will not be playing those guys. Will be interesting to see how their minutes shift from what they have been. The way he was talking, I almost expected him to mention Marquette's D from the Purdue game as being what it takes in the Big East.
Unlike some past X teams, they can really shoot from outside. Definitely should be in that top 3-5 in conference. They lack a post-presence on offense, so may be vulnerable on off nights from 3.
None of this should come as a surprise to Xavier. Small mid-major players in the backcourt, bigs that are slow-footed, they will score but Miller recruited the kind of roster that struggles on the defensive end. If they can get into first-to-80 type games, they will have a shot, but if they actually have to get stops, they are going to struggle.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 21, 2024, 10:25:41 AMNone of this should come as a surprise to Xavier. Small mid-major players in the backcourt, bigs that are slow-footed, they will score but Miller recruited the kind of roster that struggles on the defensive end. If they can get into first-to-80 type games, they will have a shot, but if they actually have to get stops, they are going to struggle.
Buffoon Cain thinks they'll be good and his track record is impeccable
Big East off to a decent start from Win Loss perspective. Only Nova and The Hall causing problems for the others with their poor performance. Hopefully those two can rally by the time first NET rankings come out.
VCU up 28-25 on the Hall at half. Entirely possible the Hall fails to break 40 in a game this year, looking at you Marquette
The Hall/VCU going down to the wire.
St. John's up 15 on the dirty Baylor Bears with 4:49 left in the first half. Feel bad for Coach Pitino sharing the court with a dirtbag like Scott Drew
Yes, Pitino is a paragon of virtue.
Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2024, 06:42:14 PMYes, Pitino is a paragon of virtue.
Of course he is. It is carved into the table at Porcinis
Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2024, 06:42:14 PMYes, Pitino is a paragon of virtue.
Compared to Scott Drew he is
A win for The Hall.
Good win by Seton Hall.
FWIW, Holloway didn't foul up 3.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 06:52:15 PMThat's a huge W for the league
It's a decent win. Huge is a bit hyperbolic.
Rico is mocking Herman. First day on scoop?
Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2024, 07:01:59 PMRico is mocking Herman. First day on scoop?
Wrong. It is a huge win. Seton Hall beating VCU will help our NET
::)
It is better than a loss.
Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2024, 07:04:47 PM::)
It is better than a loss.
Some losses are good, like if they build team character and teach you about life
I stand corrected. I didn't realize VCU punked mighty Boston College.
The Hall escapes another ugly loss. Winning helps the Big East Clause.
lol
Pitino's team better wake up. So much for that 18 pt lead.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 07:06:48 PMSome losses are good, like if they build team character and teach you about life
Totally. Just look at how Marquette has played since the loss to Central Michigan.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 07:31:53 PMPitino's team better wake up. So much for that 18 pt lead.
Little doubt Scott Drew has done something very untoward to tilt this game
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 07:39:42 PMLittle doubt Scott Drew has done something very untoward to tilt this game
Such as?? Both of them are scumbags. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 07:43:06 PMSuch as?? Both of them are scumbags. :)
I don't know but wouldn't be surprised by his skullduggery
Pitino doesn't look particularly happy. Baylor got away with a foul.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 07:58:01 PMPitino doesn't look particularly happy. Baylor got away with a foul.
Refs not calling any fouls. Wow.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2024, 08:21:03 PMRefs not calling any fouls. Wow.
Ya....seems like there has been more than normal contact.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 08:22:55 PMYa....seems like there has been more than normal contact.
Refs know Drew hangs with shady characters. Probably afraid for their lives
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 08:25:22 PMRefs know Drew hangs with shady characters. Probably afraid for their lives
Mob type guys?
What a terrible shot there. Fortunate for St J.
Richmond looks hurt.
Well, with the lack of fouls called for most of this game both teams are able to play their main guys well into double OT
That was a bad call.
Ball don't lie.
Woooooooof
Some bad ball now.
Baylor 5 missed free throws in 2OT
Baylor gets a stop and the freshman doesn't watch for defender coming behind him
SJU has a chance to essentially kill the clock up 4/get fouled. Ejefor tries to drive and dunk and get its stripped off his knee
About to be a good win for the JOhnnies tho
Doesnt take a bball genius to say missing 5 free throws in 2OT while the other team drills 3s, is sub optimal.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:40:35 PMWoooooooof
Some bad ball now.
Baylor 5 missed 5 throws in 2OT
Baylor gets a stop and the freshman doesn't watch for defender coming behind him
SJU has a chance to essentially kill the clock up 4/get fouled. Ejefor tries to drive and dunk and get its stripped off his knee
100% correct.
St. John's blows a 18 point lead.
Baylor looked to control the overtime up by 5.
St. John's now up in 2OT, 98-93.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:41:30 PMAbout to be a good win for the JOhnnies tho
Doesnt take a bball genius to say missing 5 free throws in 2OT while the other team drills 3s, is sub optimal.
Anyday a Drew family member loses, it's a great day
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:41:30 PMAbout to be a good win for the JOhnnies tho
Doesnt take a bball genius to say missing 5 free throws in 2OT while the other team drills 3s, is sub optimal.
Do they play again tomorrow?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 08:43:20 PMDo they play again tomorrow?
Yes winner of Tennessee and Virginia. So likely another big resume game with Tennessee
Then they play Georgia Sunday after us
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:45:23 PMYes winner of Tennessee and Virginia. So likely another big resume game with Tennessee
Then they play Georgia Sunday after us
That's gonna be brutal.
Oh, boy.
Zuby needs to learn how to focus. Ouch.
LMAO nvm
What a crippling loss
I'm sure Pitino and his team are thrilled to play tomorrow and Sunday.
Wow.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:50:21 PMLMAO nvm
What a crippling loss
Not to mention Richmond may be injured.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 08:43:20 PMDo they play again tomorrow?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:45:23 PMYes winner of Tennessee and Virginia. So likely another big resume game with Tennessee
Then they play Georgia Sunday after us
Ooof:0
St.J shot better from distance than the FT line.
Awful day for America
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2024, 08:41:30 PMAbout to be a good win for the JOhnnies tho
Doesnt take a bball genius to say missing 5 free throws in 2OT while the other team drills 3s, is sub optimal.
The irony here is St Johns proceeded to miss 3 free throws while Baylor drilled 2 3s.
Crazy game of trying to out choke the choker.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1859793963563221151?t=Hd2Qfjz_lsI_iPANAt9x9A&s=19
From the 4:10 mark of the second half onwards, St. John's goes 12/20 from the charity stripe (60%), including missing 3/4 in the final 18 seconds of double OT.
Johnnies screwed The Big East with that loss. Was a great opportunity to out a quality win on the record and they blew it .
Also screwed MU cause Baylor ranked ahead of us and a Baylor loss would have helped our ranking( assuming we best Bulldogs)
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 21, 2024, 09:23:22 PMJohnnies screwed The Big East with that loss. Was a great opportunity to out a quality win on the record and they blew it .
Also screwed MU cause Baylor ranked ahead of us and a Baylor loss would have helped our ranking( assuming we best Bulldogs)
Why are you surprised? Pitino is a well-know screwer.
Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2024, 07:01:59 PMRico is mocking Herman. First day on scoop?
It is Muggsy Tower, he has no understanding of sarcasm.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 21, 2024, 09:23:22 PMJohnnies screwed The Big East with that loss. Was a great opportunity to out a quality win on the record and they blew it .
Also screwed MU cause Baylor ranked ahead of us and a Baylor loss would have helped our ranking( assuming we best Bulldogs)
Not sure if you really mean this or it's just a schtick because you've been doing it for a while? Are you actually Herman Cain doe?
I used to really care about BE results much much more than I do now.
I still watch and root for the conference to win, but don't care anywhere near as much as I used to.
Call it the Shaka effect.
Maybe Marquette's NCAA tourney fate will be affected by 1 seed line at the end of the day (if that), but we are getting accustomed to MU figuring out how to have seasons that control their own destiny with regards to NCAA tourney seeding.
Still want to see more BE teams in rather than less, but just don't care as much.
As an aside- I used to really like Rick Pitino more a few years ago than now for some reason.
I'm OK with the talk of the BE being the defending champs, Marquette, and Creighton and everyone else fights for the middle of the pack lower half seeded tourney bids.
By the looks of things plenty of BE teams scheduled kinda trash OOC schedules and the OOC season is beyond half way thru, so barring something unforeseen we should be looking at
3 bids- UConn, MU, Creighton
2 bubble- StJ and X
Going to take an elite conference run for the others to dance, despite Providence not having a loss yet.
Of course a lot of basketball to play, but I'm not quite sure the conference will be looking at more than 3-5 bids. That's a shame, but it is what it is
I get what you are saying Doc and am tired of Herman's "screwed the BE" schtick, but I want the BE opponents that we defeat to be as good as possible so that they are solid Q1 or Q2 wins. Cellar dwellers like DePaul and Georgetown do not help, but all conferences have cellar dwellers. Now Villanova, Seton Hall and Butler with their embarrassing losses will be of lesser value to Marquette's resume'.
To be clear, I know that you are not writing off the weaker BE teams' poor performances. I guess we disagree as to their importance on Selection Sunday. I think the losses could result in us getting knocked down seed line. Note that I did not say will.
LOL, really??
The St.John's loss could hurt the BEast a bit if they go 0-3 in the Bahamas. They may not have a marquee game left before BEast play. It's also a little concerning UVA blew out Nova. St. John's has solid talent, they threw that game away.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 08:26:30 PMMob type guys?
If you see a ref running funny, he was likely kneecapped for calling a game straight. He won't make that mistake again.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2024, 10:41:05 PMThe St.John's loss could hurt the BEast a bit if they go 0-3 in the Bahamas. They may not have a marquee game left before BEast play. It's also a little concerning UVA blew out Nova. St. John's has solid talent, they threw that game away.
BE suxs
I think Nebraska surpises and beats Creighton tonight.
They just played in a tough game against St. Mary's and have size to throw at Kalkbrenner.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 03:29:58 PMI think Nebraska surpises and beats Creighton tonight.
They just played in a tough game against St. Mary's and have size to throw at Kalkbrenner.
I do not.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2024, 03:36:56 PMI do not.
Big Least can't afford another troublesome loss
Yeah put me in the Creighton rolls camp
Would be a very bad loss for the league. Home game, and that Nebraska team is not very good. They are not awful, but I'd be surprised if they make the tourney much less win this game.
Seton Hall's offense looks worse every week.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 04:46:03 PMSeton Hall's offense looks worse every week.
Their best offensive performance of the season was...yesterday.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2024, 04:56:18 PMTheir best offensive performance of the season was...yesterday.
1st time they scored in the 60s all season...and they are on pace to not get there tonight.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 05:09:16 PM1st time they scored in the 60s all season...and they are on pace to not get there tonight.
Right. So "their offense gets worse every week," yet they got to 60 points for the first time all year...this week.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 04:46:03 PMSeton Hall's offense looks worse every week.
And their defense looks even worse getting carved up by a Vandy team picked to finish last in the SEC
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 04:46:03 PMSeton Hall's offense looks worse every week.
What an absolute disaster. Vanderbilt??
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 05:41:29 PMWhat an absolute disaster. Vanderbilt??
[/quoteQuote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 05:41:29 PMWhat an absolute disaster. Vanderbilt??
Brutal. At they rate it looks like they won't have enough offense to win much more than 5 or so Big East games.
Two more W's for MU.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 05:44:55 PMBrutal. At they rate it looks like they won't have enough offense to win much more than 5 or so Big East games.
How long will Shaheen last?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 05:50:36 PMHow long will Shaheen last?
Probably too long because he played there. I think he is so highly overrated as a coach.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 05:50:36 PMHow long will Shaheen last?
He's in zero sort of danger. And while I think he's overrated and quite frankly annoying. They are not doing any better than him either.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2024, 05:29:02 PMRight. So "their offense gets worse every week," yet they got to 60 points for the first time all year...this week.
46 for 118 in these 2 Charleston games ~38%. It isn't getting better.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 05:53:58 PMHe's in zero sort of danger. And while I think he's overrated and quite frankly annoying. They are not doing any better than him either.
Perhaps you're right.
Kalkbrenner's best trait is his conditioning. Tall and well conditioned. His skillset isn't really that extensive.
Creighton really is not scary IMO. Good enough to beat good teams, but not scary.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 07:14:07 PMKalkbrenner's best trait is his conditioning. Tall and well conditioned. His skillset isn't really that extensive.
Creighton really is not scary IMO. Good enough to beat good teams, but not scary.
The Jays might want to get their act together.
Welp.
Brutal half for Creighton
17 of their first 21 shots are from 3.
SHould probably stop launching.
Big 18 is stacked this year. Nebraska looks legit.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 07:30:44 PMThe Jays might want to get their act together.
As I mentioned before the game, Nebraska has the size to throw at Kalkbrenner and they just played a close one against a solid St. Mary's team. Meah is the same size as Kallbrenner and Morgan/Berke have size as well. Really liked them in this spot.
Lotta game left though.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2024, 07:37:38 PMBig 18 is stacked this year. Nebraska looks legit.
Sorry to let you know, Ramsey is currently playing in US FIBA team. He won't be available for tomorrow's game.
Butler outscoring Merrimack 29-4 through the first 16 minutes of the second half
There goes Kalk's POY hopes
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2024, 07:42:00 PMButler outscoring Merrimack 29-4 through the first 16 minutes of the second half
!!!
Nebraska starting to get into foul trouble.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 22, 2024, 07:41:33 PMSorry to let you know, Ramsey is currently playing in US FIBA team. He won't be available for tomorrow's game.
Pure dung
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on November 22, 2024, 07:42:51 PMThere goes Kalk's POY hopes
He has no offensive skillset. Tough to win a POY in a league with guards that create their own offense and have skills.
Villanova getting dominated by this Virginia team should have been his final nail
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 07:45:44 PMVillanova getting dominated by this Virginia team should have been his final nail
I alluded to that yesterday PG. Virginia is not a good basketball team.
Butler doubles up Merrimack 78-39, outscoring the Warriors 41-8 in the second half
Anyone else visualizing Marquette's defense doing the same thing to Creighton when we go to Omaha? Better yet, take it up a notch? Shaka's going to love the tape.
Brick city for Creighton from distance. And Kalky has only taken 1 shot.
How in the world could Kalky have one shot attempt with under 12 mins left in the game. No adjustment for McD?
The Huskers look not horrible.
They'll be in that middle of the pack in the Big eighTeEN.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 08:28:07 PMHow in the world could Kalky have one shot attempt with under 12 mins left in the game. No adjustment for McD?
Because he can't create his own offense and his teammates can't get him the ball because of the pressure and size he is facing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 08:28:07 PMHow in the world could Kalky have one shot attempt with under 12 mins left in the game. No adjustment for McD?
Because he's probably the most overrated player I've ever seen in this league.
He's good. But has zero skill set to get anything all on his own against a team with even remote size and athleticism.
This is a really bad performance by Creighton but give Hoiberg and Nebraska credit.
3x D POY just got cooked off the bounce by Sam Hoiberg haha
Get out of here with this guy
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 08:36:49 PM3x D POY just got cooked off the bounce by Sam Hoiberg haha
Get out of here with this guy
He's been terrible on both ends of the floor. Very bad body language as well.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 08:34:31 PMThis is a really bad performance by Creighton but give Hoiberg and Nebraska credit.
Top 2 team in the big ten if you ask me
Oh....boy.
Just turned into an even worse night for Creighton.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 22, 2024, 08:52:13 PMJust turned into an even worse night for Creighton.
He could be out for the year.
That may be a season changer for Creighton if that is anything other than a sprain. It did not look good.
Who got hurt? Haven't been watching.
Hey goldeneagle, I was wrong on Nebraska. Good call!
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 08:53:51 PMHe could be out for the year.
Looked like an ankle sprain. They all heal different.
Don't go 10-40 from 3.
Always hard to beat big brother.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2024, 08:59:02 PMWho got hurt? Haven't been watching.
Hey goldeneagle, I was wrong on Nebraska. Good call!
Ashworth rolled his ankle trying to flail for a 3.
Nebraska just caught them in the perfect spot.
Kalkbrenner hasn't taken a 2. Just 1 3 point attempt. 1 minute left in the game.
Creighton doesn't have anyone that can attack downhill.
I REPEAT 38 MINUTES FOR KALKBRENNER...HE HAS TAKEN 1 SHOT...A SINGULAR 3 POINT ATTEMPT THAT HE MISSED
Creighton took 52 shots. 42 of them were 3s.
Probably shoulda tried mixing it up
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 09:29:31 PMCreighton took 42 shots. 52 of them were 3s.
Probably shoulda tried mixing it up
Thats gotta be a record to have over 100% of shots being threes
Quote from: THRILLHO on November 22, 2024, 09:30:50 PMThats gotta be a record to have over 100% of shots being threes
Sh it.
Honestly, think that woulda been better tho
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 09:29:31 PMCreighton took 52 shots. 42 of them were 3s.
Probably shoulda tried mixing it up
???
Hope he is okay because injuries suck. Especially when you're a 24 year old married man playing his final (I think, at least) season. But he's overrated as well. Stevie had him afraid to dribble the ball last year.
Is it ok that, as a Marquette fan, I don't give a rat's rump that Creighton lost?
In fact, I rather enjoyed watching it.
Quote from: MU82 on November 22, 2024, 09:38:22 PMIs it ok that, as a Marquette fan, I don't give a rat's rump that Creighton lost?
In fact, I rather enjoyed watching it.
We want a strong BEast conference. This wasn't an ideal result. Nor was St.J blowing their game last night.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 09:45:09 PMWe want a strong BEast conference. This wasn't an ideal result. Nor was St.J blowing their game last night.
Meh. It's fun watching Pitino's team choke away a big lead, and it's fun watching the extremely overrated Kalkbrenner take one effen shot in 39 minutes.
The good news for Creighton is it does sound like, while a bad one, it was just a sprained ankle for Ashworth.
Bad news is, McDermott thinks he will be out a while.
Definitely seemed like the type that will require multiple weeks if not a month in a boot.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2024, 09:29:31 PMCreighton took 52 shots. 42 of them were 3s.
Probably shoulda tried mixing it up
Nebraska declared the paint on Creighton's end as their private property and sicced dogs on them when they tried to enter it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 09:45:09 PMWe want a strong BEast conference. This wasn't an ideal result. Nor was St.J blowing their game last night.
I can't
believe it. I actually agree with one of Muggsy's posts. Crap! I'm not going to let that happen again. ;D
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 03:29:58 PMI think Nebraska surpises and beats Creighton tonight.
They just played in a tough game against St. Mary's and have size to throw at Kalkbrenner.
Nailed. Hat tip.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 09:45:09 PMWe want a strong BEast conference. This wasn't an ideal result. Nor was St.J blowing their game last night.
Eff dem kids
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2024, 09:45:09 PMWe want a strong BEast conference. This wasn't an ideal result. Nor was St.J blowing their game last night.
I'm pissed! Going to do bong hits before the game, pray
Solid win for Mr. Cooley. 5-1 helps the Big East cause. His PR stunt comment re: Epps will get attention as well.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 23, 2024, 03:13:34 PMSolid win for Mr. Cooley. 5-1 helps the Big East cause. His PR stunt comment re: Epps will get attention as well.
How does his 5-1 help the BE? Look at the teams and tell me how mighty they are. And he has 3 more cupcakes on the schedule before finally facing West Virginia.
I want all the BE teams to win all their non-cons, but if a BE team wants to help themselves as well as their BE brethren, don't load up on cupcakes. Cooley did. That's why he's fat.
It's just Herman.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2024, 03:27:05 PMHow does his 5-1 help the BE?
It's great for the league's RPI, so it'll help if we time travel to 2017.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2024, 03:27:05 PMHow does his 5-1 help the BE? Look at the teams and tell me how mighty they are. And he has 3 more cupcakes on the schedule before finally facing West Virginia.
I want all the BE teams to win all their non-cons, but if a BE team wants to help themselves as well as their BE brethren, don't load up on cupcakes. Cooley did. That's why he's fat.
SS:
High Efficiency Wins over cupcakes are always preferable to losses to Cupcakes. Last year Mr Cooley and DePaul were losing to cupcakes and that really hurt The Big East
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 23, 2024, 04:21:06 PMSS:
High Efficiency Wins over cupcakes are always preferable to losses to Cupcakes. Last year Mr Cooley and DePaul were losing to cupcakes and that really hurt The Big East
Dude
They were in a dog fight today against a terrible team missing their best player and 6th man haha
DePaul looks great
against NIU
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 23, 2024, 04:21:06 PMSS:
High Efficiency Wins over cupcakes are always preferable to losses to Cupcakes. Last year Mr Cooley and DePaul were losing to cupcakes and that really hurt The Big East
(Bolded) You mean like Seton Hall, Butler and Villanova this year?
Of course not losing to cupcakes is "preferable. I guess my point is that all BE teams should win
all their cupcake games AND Cooley should not be padding his schedule with them. We are not the A10 or MVC. St. Johns got pissed off when the Selection Committee had the audacity to take their soft scheduling into account.
Cooley could improve his ooc schedule if he could quickly schedule a worthy opponent. Maybe Illinois would work something out with him.
Oh...one more thing. I still think Cooley's love of cupcakes is why he's fat.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2024, 04:26:58 PMDude
They were in a dog fight today against a terrible team missing their best player and 6th man haha
It's easy to understand his posts when you remember he's an idiot
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2024, 03:27:05 PMHow does his 5-1 help the BE? Look at the teams and tell me how mighty they are. And he has 3 more cupcakes on the schedule before finally facing West Virginia.
I want all the BE teams to win all their non-cons, but if a BE team wants to help themselves as well as their BE brethren, don't load up on cupcakes. Cooley did. That's why he's fat.
You know he is dead...
When you sort T-Rank to this year's data only, here are the Big East rankings:
13-St. John's
15-Marquette
16-UConn
42-DePaul :o
72-Creighton
75-Xavier
89-Butler
105-Seton Hall
118-Villanova
141-Providence
162-Georgetown
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2024, 07:36:04 PMWhen you sort T-Rank to this year's data only, here are the Big East rankings:
13-St. John's
15-Marquette
16-UConn
42-DePaul :o
72-Creighton
75-Xavier
89-Butler
105-Seton Hall
118-Villanova
141-Providence
162-Georgetown
DePaul will be better with Holtmann. Like Shaka at Texas, Holtmann at Ohio State didn't work. He did good work at Butler.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2024, 03:27:05 PMI want all the BE teams to win all their non-cons, but if a BE team wants to help themselves as well as their BE brethren, don't load up on cupcakes. Cooley did. That's why he's fat.
Georgetown's schedule is soft, but it didn't get invited to any MTE and TV did not arrange any opponents outside the Big East-Big 12 finale. If Ed Cooley went 5-6 with a tougher schedule, it doesn't help the Big East and probably puts him on a warmer seat.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2024, 09:57:28 PMGeorgetown's schedule is soft, but it didn't get invited to any MTE and TV did not arrange any opponents outside the Big East-Big 12 finale. If Ed Cooley went 5-6 with a tougher schedule, it doesn't help the Big East and probably puts him on a warmer seat.
I'm guessing not going to an MTE was a choice as much as anything (and the choice MU made this year). Athletic Directors have relationships with the event organizers, if they wanted to be in an MTE they certainly could be on name recognition alone, even if it meant a second-tier MTE.
Going 5-6 would depend on who they beat, who they lost to, and what the margins looked like. You blow out 5 cupcakes by 40+ and lose single-digit results to tourney teams, that does a lot more good for the rest of the league than narrowly beating teams like Lehigh and Fairfield while getting blown out by ND.
Depaul with another high efficiency cupcake feast over Northern Illinois. Having a solid coach is helpful.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 23, 2024, 09:57:28 PMGeorgetown's schedule is soft, but it didn't get invited to any MTE and TV did not arrange any opponents outside the Big East-Big 12 finale. If Ed Cooley went 5-6 with a tougher schedule, it doesn't help the Big East and probably puts him on a warmer seat.
While I agree with Brew's post below yours, I hope you know that I do not wish Georgetown or any other BE team to lose
any OOC games. A couple here enjoyed Creighton's loss to Nebraska. :o As if that was good for the BE. Yeah...
riiight.
It's difficult for me to imagine what you must be feeling with Georgetown destroying their program over quite a few years. As you have articulated very well....resurrecting it is a massive project. I expect a W when we go to the game in DC in March, but the '26 game may be a bit dicey, as the Brits say.
Johnnies trying their hardest to keep up with Georgia in the first half.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 24, 2024, 10:57:02 AMJohnnies trying their hardest to keep up with Georgia in the first half.
Jonnies in a dog fight
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 24, 2024, 10:57:02 AMJohnnies trying their hardest to keep up with Georgia in the first half.
I assume Scoopers want St.J even though we punked Georgia?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 11:03:22 AMI assume Scoopers want St.J even though we punked Georgia?
Yes. Always pull for Rick Pitino to do well
At least Slick Rick got their game on real TV.
Shaka could learn a thing or two.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 24, 2024, 11:07:57 AMAt least Slick Rick got their game on real TV.
Shaka could learn a thing or two.
You probably don't want to know what he had to do to make that happen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2024, 11:03:52 AMYes. Always pull for Rick Pitino to do well
That's not the point. I'm talking from an MU/BEast conf perspective.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 11:12:28 AMThat's not the point. I'm talking from an MU/BEast conf perspective.
Yes we want Johnnie win
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 11:12:28 AMThat's not the point. I'm talking from an MU/BEast conf perspective.
I could care less about the Big East perspective. Marquette takes care of itself.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 11:26:15 AMYes we want Johnnie win
Who is "we"? This is a tough call and a purely academic question as we have absolutely no influence on the outcome. I think a Georgia win benefits Marquette more, but we play St. Johns twice and could win both games. Just watch the game.
St. J isn't exactly tickling the twine fron downtown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 11:03:22 AMI assume Scoopers want St.J even though we punked Georgia?
For me, Georgia and it's not close.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 11:37:46 AMSt. J isn't exactly tickling the twine fron downtown.
They're not making their threes either.
Georgia could be a solid squad if they didnt turn the ball over
Georgia has 3 guys foul out, hope they hang on!
Wtf did SJU do to Richmonds shooting form
Guy was never a great outside shooter but he looks borderline handicapped shooting free throws
Onions
The one thing I love about Shaka is his lineups are compatible and fit together great.
Then you got a team like Maryland where QUeen and Reese basically make the other redundant
Or St Johns where Richmond plays a bunch off the ball(as a horrendous shooter) because they also start Smith.
Johnnies need to get more out of Kadary.
What is it about New York teams that they aren't getting what they pay for?
Villanova beating up Maryland.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2024, 12:52:08 PMVillanova beating up Maryland.
Helps Big East Cause if Wildcats can hang on in second half
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2024, 12:50:38 PMWhat is it about New York teams that they aren't getting what they pay for?
Has been that way for decades. Teams keep making same mistake thinking Big names will attract fan and media interest.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 12:53:56 PMHelps Big East Cause if Wildcats can hang on in second half
It would help the Marquette cause more if Maryland wins. Nova already lost to 3 games that they really needed to win. The damage is done. A Nova win makes our sweep of them a little more valuable. A Maryland win yields greater benefit to Marquette.
I need to walk back my comment earlier that I always want the BE team to win an OOC game. There are exceptions-specifically when Marquette benefits more from a BE team losing. Then it's "screw 'em".
We are way too obsessed with what other teams do. Just win games and Marquette is fine.
Indeed.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 24, 2024, 01:04:25 PMIt would help the Marquette cause more if Maryland wins. Nova already lost to 3 games that they really needed to win. The damage is done. A Nova win makes our sweep of them a little more valuable. A Maryland win yields greater benefit to Marquette.
I need to walk back my comment earlier that I always want the BE team to win an OOC game. There are exceptions-specifically when Marquette benefits more from a BE team losing. Then it's "screw 'em".
Everyone in the Big East Benefits when Nova wins. Maryland has plenty of chances to pad their resume against other Big Ten Schools this season
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 01:22:54 PMEveryone in the Big East Benefits when Nova wins. Maryland has plenty of chances to pad their resume against other Big Ten Schools this season
Eyes rolled out of my head
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 01:22:54 PMEveryone in the Big East Benefits when Nova wins. Maryland has plenty of chances to pad their resume against other Big Ten Schools this season
Not Marquette. Marquette does not benefit when a tough opponent they already beat on the road loses to a team they haven't yet played. Go Terps.
Terps overtake Nova. Up 2, 8:00 to play.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 24, 2024, 01:11:53 PMWe are way too obsessed with what other teams do. Just win games and Marquette is fine.
I said this last year and got read the riot act. I get it's good for exposure but to say Marquette benefits by nova or UConn winning championships while Marquette is at home is nothing short of ludicrous
Quote from: HowardsWorld on November 24, 2024, 01:44:31 PMI said this last year and got read the riot act. I get it's good for exposure but to say Marquette benefits by nova or UConn winning championships while Marquette is at home is nothing short of ludicrous
I actually don't agree with this. It's good that the BE wins championships.
I am talking about what individual teams do in a particular game. The BE rise and fall doesn't hinge on a Villanova / Maryland game in November.
Conference strength matters more when your team is middle of the pack. I've never understood the "we need DePaul/Georgetown to be good" line of thinking. I'd like to hear an argument of how that benefits MU. I mean I guess it'd be nice if they became better than a terrible buy level opponent, but other than that I don't get it.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 24, 2024, 02:03:05 PMConference strength matters more when your team is middle of the pack. I've never understood the "we need DePaul/Georgetown to be good" line of thinking. I'd like to hear an argument of how that benefits MU. I mean I guess it'd be nice if they became better than a terrible buy level opponent, but other than that I don't get it.
Exactly.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on November 24, 2024, 12:16:31 PMGeorgia has 3 guys foul out, hope they hang on!
Not sure if final was posted here but Georgia beat Saint John's 66-63
Not sure if this final was posted here but Maryland beat Villanova 76-75
The benefits to the BE conference are only slight when the teams near the bottom win OOC games. No doubt. But the metrics used by the Selection Committee, which will also evaluate teams like Georgia and Maryland, do matter.
Let me present two scenarios-both admittedly ridiculous- but they are simply to illustrate a point, and not to be taken seriously.
At the end of the season: A) Georgia and Maryland win all but 2-3 of their games this year. B) Georgia and Maryland lose all but 3 of their games this year. No difference between A and B on Marquette's seeding prospects? :o
Every game by our major opponents counts, even if only a little bit. If we win at Iowa State, I hope they win all of their remaining games.
I think the main pushback on this thread is Herman's insistence on focusing on what he calls "the Big East cause" and how the teams that lost an OOC game "screwed the Big East". Marquette first by a mile. The Big East is clearly secondary.
Of course the cumulative impact matters, but the individual impact of a specific game really doesn't matter all that much.
I hope Georgia and Maryland have great seasons. But losing a few here and there isn't going to worry me much if Marquette keeps winning.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 24, 2024, 02:30:38 PMNot sure if final was posted here but Georgia beat Saint John's 66-63
Not gonna win many games going 2-19 from 3
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 24, 2024, 03:10:57 PMOf course the cumulative impact matters, but the individual impact of a specific game really doesn't matter all that much.
I hope Georgia and Maryland have great seasons. But losing a few here and there isn't going to worry me much if Marquette keeps winning.
No argument from me. I think this is all about the effect a win or loss will have. There is some, even if a just little. The cheer I hear at the end of our games is WE ARE...MARQUETTE!.
Not WE ARE...the BIG EAST!
Not a good day for St. J or Nova. I'd be shocked if Neptune is back next season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 05:10:01 PMNot a good day for St. J or Nova. I'd be shocked if Neptune is back next season.
Thanks.
It doesn't bother me at all when Creighton or St. John's loses a game here and there. They win plenty. I don't like them, and I like rooting against them.
And I can't think of a scenario that would make me root for Madison.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2024, 05:26:30 PMThere's no next keep thanking me Fluffy.
I must have misread this that muggsy was done here.
Pitino not afraid to bench stars
https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/sports/slow-st-johns-falls-to-georgia-in-dismal-end-to-bahamas-trip/
Why do some posters have such a hang up that there are other posters who like getting into the minutiea of fandom regarding things like AP poll ranking, analytics, and on this thread with opponent outcomes?
What has become of your lives that you feel compelled to announce that other people's interests are of no interest to you? Get over yourself already, take a walk, meet a new friend or something. Maybe get a puppy? Good golly...
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 09:46:23 PMPitino not afraid to bench stars
https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/sports/slow-st-johns-falls-to-georgia-in-dismal-end-to-bahamas-trip/
What stars?
Quote from: MU82 on November 14, 2024, 08:13:19 PMYou coulda just said, "Yep, you're right."
But then the middle schooler in me wouldn't have been able to post facts about Uranus. ;D
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 24, 2024, 09:46:23 PMPitino not afraid to bench stars
https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/sports/slow-st-johns-falls-to-georgia-in-dismal-end-to-bahamas-trip/
LOL not what happened. Sounds like big problems in Queens.
Pitino wanted Smith to go back in, he refused. When they got back to NYC, he wouldn't get on the team bus and left on his own.
Quote from: UWW2MU on November 24, 2024, 09:50:50 PMMaybe get a puppy? Good golly...
I'm allergic to puppies. Jerk!
(How are peanuts banned on airplanes but dogs are allowed)
Solid win for The Hall over FAU. Much needed.
Quote from: UWW2MU on November 24, 2024, 09:50:50 PMWhy do some posters have such a hang up that there are other posters who like getting into the minutiea of fandom regarding things like AP poll ranking, analytics, and on this thread with opponent outcomes?
What has become of your lives that you feel compelled to announce that other people's interests are of no interest to you? Get over yourself already, take a walk, meet a new friend or something. Maybe get a puppy? Good golly...
This post doesn't interest me either.
No score :18 seconds into the UConn-Memphis game.
Is UConn and the Big East overrated?
I am sure UConn scoop wants to fire Hurley's azz.
Not a crisp first 10 minutes for UConn.
Yeah they have their hands full. Some nice athleticism on this Memphis team. I'm sure it'll end up a 20 point win by the end of it
UConn struggling with some of the Memphis ball pressure
Samson Johnson also got his usual two quick fouls
Big production by the husky bench tho.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2024, 02:16:41 PMUConn struggling with some of the Memphis ball pressure
Samson Johnson also got his usual two quick fouls
Big production by the husky bench tho.
What's your overall assessment on how they look? They haven't played anyone until now. I just saw the score and was a bit surprised. Ty.
Big East stinks
Quote from: Carl on November 25, 2024, 02:08:16 PMYeah they have their hands full. Some nice athleticism on this Memphis team. I'm sure it'll end up a 20 point win by the end of it
Not to mention how well Kam is playing for them after taking big-time NIL from Penny.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 25, 2024, 02:48:54 PMWhat's your overall assessment on how they look? They haven't played anyone until now. I just saw the score and was a bit surprised. Ty.
Still very good. Even with some of the struggles. They didn't turn it over and put up 40 pts in first half. Just was tougher than usual to get into their sets.
Defensively they've been shaky tho. The athletic Memphis guards are driving at will and drawing loads of fouls off quickness
Reed should be the starter over Johnson. Stewart having a break out game. Karaban is Karaban. So smooth
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2024, 02:56:06 PMStill very good. Even with some of the struggles. They didn't turn it over and put up 40 pts in first half. Just was tougher than usual to get into their sets.
Defensively they've been shaky tho. The athletic Memphis guards are driving at will and drawing loads of fouls off quickness
Reed should be the starter over Johnson. Stewart having a break out game. Karaban is Karaban. So smooth
Ty PG.
I had forgotten Tyrese Hunter transferred to Memphis. Looks like he's playing well.
PS- It feels like a lifetime ago when Scoop was lamenting Wojo taking Stevie Mitchell instead. Interesting how things worked out.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 25, 2024, 03:01:52 PMI had forgotten Tyrese Hunter transferred to Memphis. Looks like he's playing well.
PS- It feels like a lifetime ago when Scoop was lamenting Wojo taking Stevie Mitchell instead. Interesting how things worked out.
Thank god Wojo took Mitchell over Hunter
UConn has a brutal stretch coming up. Maui, Baylor, at Texas, Gonzaga...
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 25, 2024, 03:01:52 PMI had forgotten Tyrese Hunter transferred to Memphis. Looks like he's playing well.
PS- It feels like a lifetime ago when Scoop was lamenting Wojo taking Stevie Mitchell instead. Interesting how things worked out.
Having an excellent game. Him and Haggarty causing lots of problems
UConn needs a run soon. Memphis not backing down
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2024, 03:04:40 PMHaving an excellent game. Him and Haggarty causing lots of problems
UConn needs a run soon. Memphis not backing down
Ughhh. Gotta get back to work but holy hell. Hopefully UCONN finds a way.
Hunter is feeling it
Not usually a great shooter but he's draining everything. Plus the foul
Stick a fork in UConn. Honestly, Big East might be 2-3 bid league tops
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2024, 03:14:41 PMStick a fork in UConn. Honestly, Big East might be 2-3 bid league tops
Two bid BE? Are you assuming Marquette fails to get the autobid?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 25, 2024, 03:17:26 PMTwo bid BE? Are you assuming Marquette fails to get the autobid?
We never win the BET, so, yeah. Wonder if Hurley is wishing he were coaching the 🐐 right now instead of dealing with Memphis
Soooooo many fouls. Let them play Pat!
Hurley will make the most of it as year goes on I'm sure
But woof. Mahaney is not even in the same stratosphere of Jackson, or Hawkins, or Newton, or Castle or Spencer.
Just getting picked on defensively. And not nearly good enough on O
That's game. UConn down 12
They look like crap. Memphis has more talent.
I'm sure UConn will be fine as the year goes on, but there's zero reason we can't win this conference.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 25, 2024, 03:27:29 PMThey look like crap. Memphis has more talent.
I'm sure UConn will be fine as the year goes on, but there's zero reason we can't win this conference.
Other than...
Can't shoot 3.
No bench
Joplin, Gold, Mitchell, Kam, and Chase are all playing starter minutes.
Shaka can't beat the Big 10.
Can't rebound.
Scoop being full of sarcasm.
Not dead yet.
Yup.
The forwards are draining triples
Very much alive
UCONN DOWN 4 with 1:53 left
8-0 run in last minute and a half.
Hurley has obviously found a successful formula, but my goodness is he an a$$hole.
Turnover
UConn has a chance to tie down 3
UCONN DOWN 3 with 14.2 left
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 25, 2024, 03:44:52 PMHurley has obviously found a successful formula, but my goodness is he an a$$hole.
If he was your coach you would love him. He is insane during games. Very punchable face. Outside of games, he is thoughtful, respects MU, the Big East, the game.
Tie
Onions
Never count them out
Whoa
Quote from: tower912 on November 25, 2024, 03:47:21 PMIf he was your coach you would love him. He is insane during games. Very punchable face. Outside of games, he is thoughtful, respects MU, the Big East, the game.
Yup.
Memphis should have fouled when UConn had the ball in the paint with 2 seconds left.
I guess the Big East might get 3 teams in the dance
That was so fun.
Overtime
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 25, 2024, 03:48:27 PMMemphis should have fouled when UConn had the ball in the paint with 2 seconds left.
Probably, but that's tough to do when the possession turns into a scramble like that. The players on the court aren't going to know exactly how much time is left.
That's gonna be a UConn T.
Classic Driscoll double-T.
Quote from: tower912 on November 25, 2024, 03:47:21 PMIf he was your coach you would love him. He is insane during games. Very punchable face. Outside of games, he is thoughtful, respects MU, the Big East, the game.
I would like the success he brings...that I will agree with.
Oh man and Hurley is going to cost them the game. T for arguing with the refs.
The gym in Maui always has the softest rims you ever see in college hoops.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 25, 2024, 03:48:27 PMMemphis should have fouled when UConn had the ball in the paint with 2 seconds left.
There it is haha. Just saving it for OT.
Great game. The difference was the Hurley T.
2-bid league
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 25, 2024, 04:14:09 PMThere it is haha. Just saving it for OT.
Even then it came dangerously close to backfiring.
That was a lot easier situation to foul than when UConn started the possession with 15 seconds left in regulation.
Couldn't watch, but from when the game was tied 92-92 every single point came from the line? Blech.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 25, 2024, 04:14:59 PMGreat game. The difference was the Hurley T.
Hurley is the player of the game.
The tape of this game will be pure gold. :D
Quote from: 1SE on November 25, 2024, 04:31:04 PMDePaul and Marquette?
Nah. The CMU game sunk us. Cooley is going to take Georgetown to the tourney and beat every bullsh!t team in his path.
Quote from: 1SE on November 25, 2024, 04:31:04 PMDePaul and Marquette?
I don't think the Purdue or Maryland wins will hold up
That was an incredible game. Really impressed by Memphis, thought they would fold in overtime having given up the big lead and with Haggerty fouled out. Hurley cost UConn the win, no doubt. Still a fun watch.
November neutral floor game. Helluva game, lots of teachable moments and lessons to be learned. A lot of fun.
After his presser, it's clear college basketball needs more Danny Hurley's on the sideline
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2024, 05:35:45 PMAfter his presser, it's clear college basketball needs more Danny Hurley's on the sideline
Used to hate him. He's a nut, but he's awesome.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2024, 05:37:28 PMUsed to hate him. He's a nut, but he's awesome.
I get why people hate him but that's a big part of what makes him great for the game.
Hurley screwed The Big East today with the T. Will have a couple bites at the Apple of redemption the rest of the tournament.
Hurley has done his share for the Big East and will be just fine.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 25, 2024, 04:22:42 PMHurley is the player of the game.
UConn got bailed out with a double technical call after Johnson of UConn pushed a Memphis player late in the game. Memphis kid bailed them out getting in Johnson's face after and earning his own T, which nullified Johnson's. Dumb play by Johnson, but it got me thinking, how could Hurley ever get on a player about losing their composure when he has no composure from start to finish of a game? I'd love to ask him that.
I've come around on Hurley to some degree based on his demeanor and introspection in interviews (and MU compliments), but there is no denying he is a lunatic on the sidelines during a game.
I have no problem with UConn losing ... even if it somehow "hurts" Marquette (which it really doesn't).
It's nice to know UConn ain't invincible, fun to see Danny get T'd up, and good to see that big pressure from great defensive guards can take them out of their game sometimes.
a lot of people hated al and that was all fine except when it affected calls or seedings today, I can't imagine the same happening to hurley
UConn looked like a work in progress, like most teams do in November.
They have a lot of talent. I kind of wish MU played them once earlier in the season.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 25, 2024, 05:51:54 PMHurley screwed The Big East today with the T. Will have a couple bites at the Apple of redemption the rest of the tournament.
This is really getting old Herman.
It sounds like Memphis outplayed them despite the comeback.
Quote from: StillWarriors on November 25, 2024, 06:38:32 PMUConn got bailed out with a double technical call after Johnson of UConn pushed a Memphis player late in the game. Memphis kid bailed them out getting in Johnson's face after and earning his own T, which nullified Johnson's. Dumb play by Johnson, but it got me thinking, how could Hurley ever get on a player about losing their composure when he has no composure from start to finish of a game? I'd love to ask him that.
I've come around on Hurley to some degree based on his demeanor and introspection in interviews (and MU compliments), but there is no denying he is a lunatic on the sidelines during a game.
No question that the Memphis player blew their chance when he pushed Johnson, but no surprise that he did that. Coaches are supposed to be better at self-control and should rarely get T'd up. I think Hurley was close to a T earlier and
I believe that refs will typically give a coach a one time "knock it off" warning that is not always picked up by the cameras.
As in any game, many things could be blamed or credited for the outcome-poor FT shooting, questionable foul calls, a key player fouling out, etc. In this case, Hurley is charged with losing the game if for no other reason, he was on the sideline and had he been in full self-control the game MIGHT have ended differently.
X getting it together now in the second half. Really need them to win
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 25, 2024, 07:32:48 PMNo question that the Memphis player blew their chance when he pushed Johnson, but no surprise that he did that. Coaches are supposed to be better at self-control and should rarely get T'd up. I think Hurley was close to a T earlier and I believe that refs will typically give a coach a one time "knock it off" warning that is not always picked up by the cameras.
As in any game, many things could be blamed or credited for the outcome-poor FT shooting, questionable foul calls, a key player fouling out, etc. In this case, Hurley is charged with losing the game if for no other reason, he was on the sideline and had he been in full self-control the game MIGHT have ended differently.
Al did get T'd up at crucial games
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2024, 09:20:26 PMX getting it together now in the second half. Really need them to win
W
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 25, 2024, 09:26:32 PMAl did get T'd up at crucial games
Uh huh. Like the Natty game in '74.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2024, 05:37:28 PMUsed to hate him. He's a nut, but he's awesome.
and he has incredible respect for Shaka and MU.
X with solid win over Cocks. Miller doing an excellent so far with Musketeers this year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 26, 2024, 11:39:42 AMX with solid win over Cocks. Miller doing an excellent so far with Musketeers this year.
X shot 4-22 from 3.
41st in KenPom. 37 on offense, 58 on defense. Started the year 33 in KenPom.
Your definition of excellence is pathetic
Creighton is in another battle. God Kalkenbrenner is so confusing. He can have dominant defensive performances and put up 49 against cupcakes but just seems so so soft to me
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 01:45:05 PMCreighton is in another battle. God Kalkenbrenner is so confusing. He can have dominant defensive performances and put up 49 against cupcakes but just seems so so soft to me
If he was really all that great, he would have left for the NBA long ago.
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 01:45:05 PMCreighton is in another battle. God Kalkenbrenner is so confusing. He can have dominant defensive performances and put up 49 against cupcakes but just seems so so soft to me
Same old Kalkbrenner. He will have success against teams that don't have a big that can stand with him height-wise and will struggle against anyone that does.
He has no skill. His 2 best traits are his size and conditioning. That's all he's got.
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 01:45:05 PMCreighton is in another battle. God Kalkenbrenner is so confusing. He can have dominant defensive performances and put up 49 against cupcakes but just seems so so soft to me
As Sultan said, it's really not very confusing
He's 7'2 and has a reputation(even if overblown imo) as a elite defender
And still in college for a 5th year. That's how flawed his actual non defensive skills are.
Their injured PG is cheering them on from the sidelines, so there's that, but...2nd game in a row in which they sure do not look like a #21 team, and it is not just Kalk.
2-bid league
Creighton is in big trouble
Woof
I'm going to post this early and beat Herman to it:
Creighton screwed the Big East.
Let's hope this level of performance is what we see in Milwaukee and Omaha.
Kalkbrenner needs guards able to get him the ball. Think Jamil Wilson and Davante Gardner.
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2024, 02:44:50 PMKalkbrenner needs guards able to get him the ball.
Then he's not the best player in the BE.
The difference between creighton this year and last is they don't have the sharp shooter from 3 that hit 60%
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2024, 02:29:16 PMCreighton is in big trouble
Woof
Yes Creighton ended up losing 71-53 against San Diego State.
Ashworth did not play. Ashworth is Creighton's second-leading scorer with 16 points per game and leads the team with 6.4 assists per game.
Agree with the above Creighton needs to shoot the 3 better and get the ball to Kalkbrenner more.
Interesting Creighton only committed 6 fouls in the game and had only one steal in the game.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 26, 2024, 03:03:56 PMInteresting Creighton only committed 6 fouls in the game and had only one steal in the game.
Not very interesting that's been their MO. Don't foul and don't turn ya over.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on November 26, 2024, 02:54:37 PMThe difference between creighton this year and last is they don't have the sharp shooter from 3 that hit 60%
McDermott may have thought the international kid he brought in at the last minute, Fedor ZugiC, was going to fit the Schierman role in the offense but he is not yet eligible (and may never get cleared after playing pro ball for six years). Schierman was the guy who kept the defenses honest. Mason Miller has been a big disappointment for them in that area too.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 26, 2024, 03:03:56 PMYes Creighton ended up losing 71-53 against San Diego State.
Ashworth did not play. Ashworth is Creighton's second-leading scorer with 16 points per game and leads the team with 6.4 assists per game.
Agree with the above Creighton needs to shoot the 3 better and get the ball to Kalkbrenner more.
Interesting Creighton only committed 6 fouls in the game and had only one steal in the game.
I do not think Ashworth could have saved them from this...
.whatever that was, but then again, I do not think you were really saying that he would.
Too soon to draw conclusions regarding their BE play, but they will need both Ashworth and a shake-up by McDermott to right their ship.
In 4 games against cupcakes, Kalkbrenner averaged 25.8 points (on 89% shooting!) and 8.5 rebounds.
In 2 games against decent (but unranked) teams, Kalkbrenner averaged 7.5 points (on 38% shooting) and 8 rebounds. But he did block some shots, yes.
Oh, and Ashworth played 35 minutes vs. Nebraska, so Kalkbrenner The Great had his PG for almost all of the game in which he managed to take only 1 shot in 39 minutes.
Sometimes this is what happens when you pretty much only play 5 guys, and have no bench to speak of, especially when your squad is anemic to defense.
One guy goes down and the ship takes in water super fast.
Dougies got Buzz, Kansas, Alabama in the next 4....
He's not some work to do
UConn is in deep foul trouble against Colorado.
Colorado down one, 14 min to go.
Enjoying seeing a more vulnerable UConn.
Hurley's head might actually explode after (or during) this one.
The announcers sound sick of Hurley too lol.
At least we have DePaul.
Might be a one-bid league
UCONN's perimeter defense is....not great.
Also Mahaney sucks. He's nonexistent.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 26, 2024, 03:59:57 PMAt least we have DePaul.
Raise your hand if you had DePaul listed first in the Big East standings after 6 games.
Quote from: barfolomew on November 26, 2024, 04:06:34 PMRaise your hand if you had DePaul listed first in the Big East standings after 6 games.
Marquette and DePaul with the third longest winning streaks in the nation. (Behind Columbia and Wisconsin)
UConn and Colorado tied at the under 8 TO.
Anyone else have some cautious optimism that Marquette might be the BE team to beat this year? I know it's early
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 04:28:58 PMAnyone else have some cautious optimism that Marquette might be the BE team to beat this year? I know it's early
Hurley will have Uconn dangerous for league play. He always does.
But they are definitely flawed.
We won the BE two years ago in a year where they had to take lumps for a month to figure things out and that Uconn team was much less flawed.
Cue the 1 bid league
Never underestimate Tad Boyle
JFC
Drew up a play and it ended up with Diarra having to settle for shot sheeeeeeeeeesh
Shocked they didn't go to the bucket on the last possession down one. Another brutal non-con day for the Big East. Losses in conference will be costly at this rate.
UConn won't make the tournament. A disaster for the Big East. I hope the new TV deal is signed otherwise we'll be on the CW
Wow. But at least UConn gets to play for 7th place.
McD and Hurley have work to do. History indicates they will figure it out. Go, MU!
And Flohoops for 25 games next year.
Its our future opponents fighting it out for the friendship of Maui
Dayton vs ISU tonight.
Loser faces Uconn.
Someone going 0-3
Thankfully this does not appear to be a year where Marquette will be relying on getting the BE 4th of 5th bid to make the tourney. This non-con performance is still detrimental to all involved and might be the worst since the Catholic re-org
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 04:28:58 PMAnyone else have some cautious optimism that Marquette might be the BE team to beat this year? I know it's early
"Cautious optimism" and "I know it's early". You think like I do on bball, and the answer to your question is a big
yes!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2024, 04:42:19 PMJFC
Drew up a play and it ended up with Diarra having to settle for shot sheeeeeeeeeesh
Quote from: StillWarriors on November 26, 2024, 04:43:02 PMShocked they didn't go to the bucket on the last possession down one. Another brutal non-con day for the Big East. Losses in conference will be costly at this rate.
That's why joyless willie calls him Hurley-Wojo.
Really should've pulled the trigger on Marquette to win the Big East +550 a week ago.
Quote from: MU82 on November 26, 2024, 04:44:28 PMWow. But at least UConn gets to play for 7th place.
Better hope Dayton loses because UConn will lose to Iowa state
Is it too late to join the A-10?
Quote from: Carl on November 26, 2024, 04:46:07 PMThankfully this does not appear to be a year where Marquette will be relying on getting the BE 4th of 5th bid to make the tourney. This non-con performance is still detrimental to all involved and might be the worst since the Catholic re-org
Yep. I hate Herman's "screwed the Big East" schtick, but the BE overall in non-con is looking really sad.
As of today, Marquette is the best BE team.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2024, 04:54:33 PMIs it too late to join the A-10?
I guess you forgot. As that A10 poster warned us just before the "new" BE was formed, we needed to act quickly to join the A10 before that door closed. Too late now. We're stuck here.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2024, 04:54:33 PMIs it too late to join the A-10?
We'd have to deal with that Flyer dude too much. It's either the Ohio Valley or the MVC.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 26, 2024, 04:52:16 PMReally should've pulled the trigger on Marquette to win the Big East +550 a week ago.
It's still +550 on DK
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 05:03:34 PMWe'd have to deal with that Flyer dude too much. It's either the Ohio Valley or the MVC.
Tough call. I can't decide. How about going independent?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2024, 05:07:54 PMTough call. I can't decide. How about going independent?
If it was good enough for Al...
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 05:03:34 PMWe'd have to deal with that Flyer dude too much. It's either the Ohio Valley or the MVC.
Arch Madness looks fun
Can't we just get Rocky to ban Fieldhouse and join the A10?
Full disclosure: I would get 3 easily drivable games in with this deal-U of Richmond, VCU, and George Mason. Works for me! More games if I go to Philly.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on November 26, 2024, 05:04:46 PMIt's still +550 on DK
Giddyup. It's actually +650 on MGM. Seems like it should be +400 at worst.
Waiting for Herman to post that UCONN screwed the BE twice.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2024, 05:18:45 PMWaiting for Herman to post that UCONN screwed the BE twice.
He won't know they lost until he reads it in the Post. Everyone could post the scores here and he'd still not know
When I said that I didn't really care how other BE teams did because it doesn't really matter as much in the Shaka era, I didn't expect EVERY Big East team to lose (sans DePaul) and several to lose multiple times.
Guess Marquette just has to go 17-3/16-4 in conference to get a #1 seed now, sheesh.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2024, 05:18:45 PMWaiting for Herman to post that UCONN screwed the BE twice.
I agree with this analysis.
Guess Marquette is going to have to take the Villanova/UConn role of getting the Big East multiple nattys.
UConn has fallen behind us in KenPom.
MU to 10.
Quote from: Jockey on November 26, 2024, 05:28:37 PMI agree with this analysis.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you can't be fooled again
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 26, 2024, 05:43:59 PMUConn has fallen behind us in KenPom.
MU to 10.
Poll voters know ball?
I wouldn't write off UConn too quickly. They have a lot of talent but need some time to gel.
They had a lot of foul trouble today and lost one of their star freshmen for about 20 minutes when he took a shot to the hip.
Yes. Hurley has lost consecutive games before and still won a title. He and UConn are perfectly capable of doing it again.
I'm still really surprised Tower. Colorado is not the same team as last year
Quote from: DoctorV on November 26, 2024, 05:27:10 PMWhen I said that I didn't really care how other BE teams did because it doesn't really matter as much in the Shaka era, I didn't expect EVERY Big East team to lose (sans DePaul) and several to lose multiple times.
Guess Marquette just has to go 17-3/16-4 in conference to get a #1 seed now, sheesh.
I'm open to suggestions Dr.V. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 26, 2024, 06:26:32 PMI'm still really surprised Tower. Colorado is not the same team as last year
Why? It is early in the year. Most teams are still figuring out who they are and how the pieces fit together. UConn has lost two games where several close calls did not go their way. They are a good team.
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2024, 06:52:45 PMWhy? It is early in the year. Most teams are still figuring out who they are and how the pieces fit together. UConn has lost two games where several close calls did not go their way. They are a good team.
They suck
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2024, 06:52:45 PMWhy? It is early in the year. Most teams are still figuring out who they are and how the pieces fit together. UConn has lost two games where several close calls did not go their way. They are a good team.
Because I think Colorado is in the 12-16 range of the B12. Not to mention they lost badly to Mich St. UCONN always gets better but perhaps this team has a few issues? I dunno, I'm just throwing it out there.
UConn is a different team. They will be fine.
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2024, 06:56:55 PMUConn is a different team. They will be fine.
Fine meaning a 5-8 seed or still a bona fide contender?
Bona fide contender.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 26, 2024, 06:59:24 PMFine meaning a 5-8 seed or still a bona fide contender?
Bona fide garbage
Quote from: tower912 on November 26, 2024, 06:56:55 PMUConn is a different team. They will be fine.
UConn set the bar impossibly high. They're a good team and should compete for a top 3 big east finish.
I think creighton looks a little weak. Would take X and StJ over them.
https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1844423023962820695
For now this has aged well
Georgetown is ham blasting Wagner
Was walking on the beach for a couple hours and wow what the hell happened to The Big East in the meantime?
At least Mr Cooley held up his ens of the bargain.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 26, 2024, 08:00:22 PMWas walking on the beach for a couple hours and wow what the hell happened to The Big East in the meantime?
At least Mr Cooley held up his ens of the bargain.
Yeah, that big win over Wagner will really help the BE cause. ::) I took care of posting that Creighton and UCONN screwed the BE, and in UCONN's case, that it was twice.
Embarrassing performances, but as others have said, don't count UCONN out after the back-to-back losses. Not sure what to make of Creighton though. I think it was much more than Ashworth's absence. Marquette will be tested by Iowa St., UW and UD, so we shall see. If we lose a game and you post "Marquette screwed the BE", I will hunt you down and go full Muggsy on you. You've been warned Herman.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2024, 07:48:53 PMGeorgetown is ham blasting Wagner
This is huge for Marquettes net
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 26, 2024, 05:16:11 PMGiddyup. It's actually +650 on MGM. Seems like it should be +400 at worst.
Quite a while ago I got MU to win the Natty at +7500 (it's +4500 now) and to go to the FF at +2000 (it's +1300 now). I would sure love to have those two bets pay.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 27, 2024, 08:17:25 AMQuite a while ago I got MU to win the Natty at +7500 (it's +4500 now) and to go to the FF at +2000 (it's +1300 now). I would sure love to have those two bets pay.
I've got zilch-not a bettor-but we would both be very happy and you would be richer. What's not to like?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 27, 2024, 08:17:25 AMQuite a while ago I got MU to win the Natty at +7500 (it's +4500 now) and to go to the FF at +2000 (it's +1300 now). I would sure love to have those two bets pay.
Slacker! I put a whopping $10 at +10000 for the MU Natty. Big spender, I know.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 27, 2024, 10:51:43 AMSlacker! I put a whopping $10 at +10000 for the MU Natty. Big spender, I know.
I'm the last person that will ever give someone crap for being a "big spender" bettor. As ridiculous as it is, my typical bet is a measly $2. I resisted betting for a long time. When I finally decided to go ahead and do it, I decided that it would be very small time bets and typically only events that I am going to be watching (or the occasional futures bet on "my" teams). I'm fully aware of the absurdity of a $2 bet, but it has provided what I'm looking for -- a bit more interest in some of the games. I'm not looking for the adrenaline rush of winning (or losing) big amounts.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 27, 2024, 08:17:25 AMQuite a while ago I got MU to win the Natty at +7500 (it's +4500 now) and to go to the FF at +2000 (it's +1300 now). I would sure love to have those two bets pay.
I would sure love to have those two bets pay you, too!
The Creighton game stream on Max isn't perfect. I think this is the first Max livestream I've watched.
The Dence about to hurt the Quette's Net
You'd think Providence would have been prepared to play on slippery ass courts
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on November 27, 2024, 06:06:59 PMYou'd think Providence would have been prepared to play on slippery ass courts
Wow Providence game
That was a fascinating rules interpretation.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2024, 06:45:34 PMThat was a fascinating rules interpretation.
Agree
In high school I walked on the court too early and they let me get away with it. Later hit a half court shot. But we ended up losing
Marquette is 6th in the nation in holding opponents to 31.2% from the field
Big East is really hurting itself the last 3 days.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2024, 06:45:34 PMThat was a fascinating rules interpretation.
What happened?
Ashworth already back is good for Creighton though
Creighton bricking a lot of shots again though around him and Kalk
Lucky for them they are playing Taylor and Phelps who as I always say, love to out chuck
Will X and UCONN win tonight?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2024, 07:07:05 PMWill X and UCONN win tonight?
Hopefully Yes
I would also prefer that Buzz doesn't screw the Big East tonight
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 27, 2024, 07:26:41 PMHopefully Yes
I would also prefer that Buzz doesn't screw the Big East tonight
He won't. But he may beat Creighton.
This Creighton team is absolutely pathetic
Another L
Kalkbrenner chokes again. He stinks
Creighton loses by not even being able to inbounds out of time out down 3 at half court.
Absolute debacle this league.
Creighton better learn NIT
Big East is a laughingstock. TV deal gone. Probably won't finish ahead of the WAC
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2024, 07:56:01 PMCreighton better learn NIT
Big East is a laughingstock. TV deal gone. Probably won't finish ahead of the WAC
Not a good result. X better wake up as well.
Marquette needs to expedite a football team so we can be admitted to the ACC
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 27, 2024, 07:55:03 PMThis Creighton team is absolutely pathetic
Another L
Kalkbrenner chokes again. He stinks
Creighton loses by not even being able to inbounds out of time out down 3 at half court.
Absolute debacle this league.
Big East has room for improvement.
Marquette might be the only big East team ranked after today
WTH is X doing???
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2024, 08:45:00 PMWTH is X doing???
Losing at the moment. They'll probably lose again this year, too.
X looks brutal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2024, 08:48:47 PMX looks brutal.
Probably worried about finals coming up
X needs to get going
Clearly a 1 bid league
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 27, 2024, 09:01:50 PMBetter academics
I'd rather have a league of solid academics than a bunch of good basketball teams. These kids are here to get an education, first and foremost. Basketball is just a diversion
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2024, 09:06:21 PMI'd rather have a league of solid academics than a bunch of good basketball teams. These kids are here to get an education, first and foremost. Basketball is just a diversion
S T U D E N T A T H L E T E S
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 27, 2024, 09:01:10 PMX needs to get going
They did. Now they're gone. As in obliterated.
BE teams are 6-7 games into the season with several cupcakes each along with some good to really good teams as opponents. Only Marquette and one other BE team are undefeated.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2024, 10:05:51 PMThey did. Now they're gone. As in obliterated.
BE teams are 6-7 games into the season with several cupcakes each along with some good to really good teams as opponents. Only Marquette and one other BE team are undefeated.
The giant has awakened
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2024, 10:05:51 PMThey did. Now they're gone. As in obliterated.
BE teams are 6-7 games into the season with several cupcakes each along with some good to really good teams as opponents. Only Marquette and one other BE team are undefeated.
Pray tell, which other team
Neptune with a modest contribution to Big East cause . X crapped the bed .
Hurley could snap if this game goes South.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 27, 2024, 11:49:37 PMHurley could snap if this game goes South.
That Lakers offer must be looking good with 20/20 Hindsight
When was the last time MU was the highest ranked team in the BE? With all the UCONN and NOVA dominance has to be a while or ever? The 20-2 Wojo miracle? The amigos? Anyway, new Shaka achievement unlocked
Edit - the 2019 season - March 11 poll MU highest at 23rd - man that was a down BE year..
Edit - woops - I guess with the past two years I was just thinking about UCONN's titles - clearly March results/April stick in my head much more than the regular season!
Quote from: 1SE on November 28, 2024, 12:37:13 AMWhen was the last time MU was the highest ranked team in the BE? With all the UCONN and NOVA dominance has to be a while or ever? The 20-2 Wojo miracle? The amigos? Anyway, new Shaka achievement unlocked
Last year
Quote from: 1SE on November 28, 2024, 12:37:13 AMWhen was the last time MU was the highest ranked team in the BE? With all the UCONN and NOVA dominance has to be a while or ever? The 20-2 Wojo miracle? The amigos? Anyway, new Shaka achievement unlocked
Edit - the 2019 season - March 11 poll MU highest at 23rd - man that was a down BE year..
I believe the answer is last year...but even if you forgot about that...didn't we just win dual Big East Titles or am I imagining that?
Mahaney seems like a total bust for UCONN. I saw one of his games up close in Vegas last year and came away unimpressed. He belongs at the mid major level. Think they were expecting a lot more from him.
Quote from: 1SE on November 28, 2024, 12:37:13 AMWhen was the last time MU was the highest ranked team in the BE? With all the UCONN and NOVA dominance has to be a while or ever? The 20-2 Wojo miracle? The amigos? Anyway, new Shaka achievement unlocked
Edit - the 2019 season - March 11 poll MU highest at 23rd - man that was a down BE year..
Dude.
Weve been highest ranked team in the BE each of the last two years. Last year early when we were in Maui and before Uconn flat out stopped losing
But how in God's name could you forget 2 years ago. You know when we ran away and hide with the BE title. Then won the BET. While Uconn at one point lost 6 games in a row.
We were the highest ranked BE team for like 8 weeks in a row I'm guessing
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 28, 2024, 12:52:53 AMMahaney seems like a total bust for UCONN. I saw one of his games up close in Vegas last year and came away unimpressed. He belongs at the mid major level. Think they were expecting a lot more from him.
Its been bizarre ever since he announced he was transferring. Immediately became a hugely hyped transfer when anyone who watched him should clear see quality mid major player but very tweener. Good not great shooter. Not small but not a big guard either. Can handle the ball but not a dominant play maker.
Uconn gets him and everyone goes nuts(Yes I get it Hurley factor helps). But by late summer/early fall the buzz basically plummeted. There's been heavy speculation long before the season actually started that he was not looking good and wasn't even guranteed to start.
Now the season starts and he looks even worse than that.
I still don't doubt Hurley. But I'm thinking its much more likely Uconn rights the ship because of other guys not Mahaney.
UCONN getting pounded on the boards. I recall rebounding as a strength of UCONN last year.
Mahaney still sucks
No Clingan
Big East - woof.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2024, 12:59:00 AMI still don't doubt Hurley. But I'm thinking its much more likely Uconn rights the ship because of other guys not Mahaney.
Yep agree. It's been a tough 72 hours for them, but they will right the ship and be a tougher out by season's end. Not even close to contending for a three peat though...and that's ok considering all they lost the last 2 years.
PS: @dayton looks like a tough one
UCONN can now call this week the Maui Massacre.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2024, 12:54:29 AMDude.
Weve been highest ranked team in the BE each of the last two years. Last year early when we were in Maui and before Uconn flat out stopped losing
But how in God's name could you forget 2 years ago. You know when we ran away and hide with the BE title. Then won the BET. While Uconn at one point lost 6 games in a row.
We were the highest ranked BE team for like 8 weeks in a row I'm guessing
Ooofff - yeah, clearly the titles stick in the front of my head more than the in-season results - does really point to our March struggles to some extent!
Nobody frets about Big East results more than the Scoop, but this truly has been a hideous non-conference slate for every contender but MUBB (and STJ, who's been OK).
UConn hanging on as the +145 favorite to win the conference is delusional at this point. They may well win it, but they should be a marginal favorite at absolute best. Logically, MUBB should be the favorite, STJ a close second, and UConn a bit further behind at third.
I think MU is showing the early season benefit of having a team full of players who have spent their entire college careers in the program.
The teams that are relying heavily on transfers and freshmen are going to take longer to gel.
When was the last time a BE team finished last in the Maui Tournament. OMG that's embarrassing. Wouldn't want to be on that plane ride home.
Last night's win over Huskies should be a confidence for Flyers. MU will have a tough road game in Dayton. An opportunity to keep building resume though.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 27, 2024, 06:53:15 PMMarquette is 6th in the nation in holding opponents to 31.2% from the field
You might want to read that tweet a little closer.
Marquette is, but the Marquette men's basketball team most certainly is not holding opponents to 31.2% from the field.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on November 28, 2024, 07:26:29 AMWhen was the last time a BE team finished last in the Maui Tournament. OMG that's embarrassing. Wouldn't want to be on that plane ride home.
UConn = Chaminade
it's amazing how UConn's defense is significantly worse this season without a 7-2 monster patrolling the paint.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2024, 12:59:00 AMIts been bizarre ever since he announced he was transferring. Immediately became a hugely hyped transfer when anyone who watched him should clear see quality mid major player but very tweener. Good not great shooter. Not small but not a big guard either. Can handle the ball but not a dominant play maker.
Uconn gets him and everyone goes nuts(Yes I get it Hurley factor helps). But by late summer/early fall the buzz basically plummeted. There's been heavy speculation long before the season actually started that he was not looking good and wasn't even guranteed to start.
Soooo this. This is why the off-season portal stuff is so dumb. Everyone was also talking about IU winning the portal wars. You can't just drop in a guy from a mid-major into a prominent role on a top 10 team and expect business as usual.
Now the season starts and he looks even worse than that.
I still don't doubt Hurley. But I'm thinking its much more likely Uconn rights the ship because of other guys not Mahaney.
The Dence getting stuffed by Davidson early
What the f guys
Providence with a fantastic showing for the league
Butler with a nice win over Northwestern out in Arizona. Telfort is a stud for them. Two big ones coming up for them, @Houston and Bucky at the Pacers arena.
Butler did everything they could to give away the game to Northwestern who refused to accept the gift.
Masterclass end of game by Butler. Get the win. All that matters. Going to win some Big East games that cause agita for some fanbases
Ughhhhhhh. Butler somehow won.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2024, 08:16:44 PMUghhhhhhh. Butler somehow won.
Take the win and offer no apologies
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 28, 2024, 08:15:07 PMButler did everything they could to give away the game to Northwestern who refused to accept the gift.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 28, 2024, 08:15:07 PMButler did everything they could to give away the game to Northwestern who refused to accept the gift.
It's time to "reconfigure" the Big East again. The NCAA will probably require that we wait until the end of the season. We will have to pay other conferences to take our rejects, so this will not be cheap.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2024, 08:16:44 PMUghhhhhhh. Butler somehow won.
You can't whine about the Big East OOC performance and then say 'ugh' that Butler won.
Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:22:01 PMYou can't whine about the Big East OOC performance and then say 'ugh' that Butler won.
He can't help it. He's a compulsive whiner.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 28, 2024, 08:20:50 PMIt's time to "reconfigure" the Big East again. The NCAA will probably require that we wait until the end of the season. We will have to pay other conferences to take our rejects, so this will not be cheap.
Promotion/Relegation with the A10?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2024, 08:26:38 PMPromotion/Relegation with the A10?
Or poach some good teams from other conferences. We should have taken Gonzaga while they were available.
I appreciate any help you offer. I'm open to Canadian teams. Maybe the BE can buy a underperforming NBA team and convert it into a college team.
Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:22:01 PMYou can't whine about the Big East OOC performance and then say 'ugh' that Butler won.
My ughhhh was about Providence.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2024, 08:34:59 PMMy ughhhh was about Providence.
I love seeing providence get made to look like fools
Butler has a solid starting lineup . Glad to see them putting a much needed win on the board.
Providence getting stomped by an A-10 is not helpful to the Big East Cause
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2024, 08:36:26 PMI love seeing providence get made to look like fools
Not so fast. They got it down to 12. 63-51 with under 6 minutes to go. They're gonna win this one after all.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 28, 2024, 08:40:19 PMButler has a solid starting lineup . Glad to see them putting a much needed win on the board.
Providence getting stomped by an A-10 is not helpful to the Big East Cause
Hurts Marquette's Sagarin ratings
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2024, 08:43:59 PMHurts Marquette's Sagarin ratings
Hurts my eyes to watch them.
Providence's Lunardi position rapidly and worryingly dropping.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2024, 08:59:13 PMMy advice? Don't watch them
Oh, now you're an advisor, huh? I'm a masochist, so I will watch them every chance I get.
Valpo @ DePaul tomorrow, courtside seats under $100 on Seat Geek. I know it's winter break but still.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 28, 2024, 10:01:57 PMValpo @ DePaul tomorrow, courtside seats under $100 on Seat Geek. I know it's winter break but still.
After the disappointment from a couple years ago when they had a one loss non con I don't think the price will jump till they prove it in conference
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 28, 2024, 10:01:57 PMValpo @ DePaul tomorrow, courtside seats under $100 on Seat Geek. I know it's winter break but still.
They're only paying people $100 apiece to sit courtside? No thanks!
I picked up a couple of 3rd row, center section, aisle seats for $25 for the DePaul Valpo game today. It's going to take everything in me not to wear MU gear.
It's difficult to sell any tickets on this weekend. At least DePaul has some ownership in Wintrust Arena so they're not paying market rate to rent an arena for thousands of empty seats as is the case in Washington and Newark.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 29, 2024, 09:54:50 AMIt's difficult to sell any tickets on this weekend. At least DePaul has some ownership in Wintrust Arena so they're not paying market rate to rent an arena for thousands of empty seats as is the case in Washington and Newark.
DFW Hoya, your posts on Georgetown are both informative and depressing. I really hope you guys turn it around under Cooley not only for your sake, because you seem like a great fan, but for the conference brand going forward as well.
Prov down 10 at half.
But don't worry, some national basketball analyst will tweet something like "Walter Clayton is the most underrated guard in the sport"
And 100 prov fans will comment to respect some trash can prov player
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2024, 10:10:27 AMDFW Hoya, your posts on Georgetown are both informative and depressing. I really hope you guys turn it around under Cooley not only for your sake, because you seem like a great fan, but for the conference brand going forward as well.
It's not meant to be depressing but there are a number of headwinds facing the Georgetown program, and a presidential search (the first since 2000) adds an layer of uncertainty. The previous administration was very accommodating to men's basketball (and to coaching salaries) and there is no guarantee the next one will be as generous.
2025 marks ten years since Georgetown's last Associated Press ranking and 10 years since it received an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. Within that stretch, one winning season. That's 10 years of young alumni and future donors with a poor customer experience and less likely to be there for the long haul. They've moved on with their lives and basketball isn't as important anymore.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 29, 2024, 11:02:31 AM2025 marks ten years since Georgetown's last Associated Press ranking and 10 years since it received an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. Within that stretch, one winning season. That's 10 years of young alumni and future donors with a poor customer experience and less likely to be there for the long haul. They've moved on with their lives and basketball isn't as important anymore.
Well said. Your post illustrates why it is not just a matter of turning a team around and enthusiastic fans will fill the seats. I do not think that it will take anywhere near 10 years to turn Georgetown around. I think they will get there well before that. Of course, your next president absolutely
has to be onboard.
From ESPN:
UConn forward Alex Karaban was taken to a hospital for a head injury after an 85-67 loss to Dayton on Wednesday that sent the No. 2 Huskies to an 0-3 finish at the Maui Invitational.
Karaban's head hit the floor after being fouled with about 2½ minutes left. He stayed in the game but was later placed in the concussion protocol and sent to the hospital for further testing.
I'm no doctor (or even a dentist), so maybe someone can explain to me what good is a concussion policy if it lets a player with a possible concussion get back into the game?
The Dence gets throttled by Indiana. Hurts Marquette's FICO score
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2024, 12:14:44 PMThe Dence gets throttled by Indiana. Hurts Marquette's FICO score
In all seriousness though, when did the Big East as a whole had this bad of a non-con? It hasn't been pretty.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 29, 2024, 11:02:31 AM2025 marks ten years since Georgetown's last Associated Press ranking and 10 years since it received an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. Within that stretch, one winning season. That's 10 years of young alumni and future donors with a poor customer experience and less likely to be there for the long haul. They've moved on with their lives and basketball isn't as important anymore.
College basketball was such a big part of my undergraduate experience - and remains such a big part of my sports/entertainment interests - it's really disappointing for me that my Georgetown daughter didn't have a similar experience. She went to a few games freshman year, but stopped going completely before long. I'm not sure she went to any her last couple years.
My daughter that went to Purdue had a very different experience.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on November 29, 2024, 11:02:31 AMIt's not meant to be depressing but there are a number of headwinds facing the Georgetown program, and a presidential search (the first since 2000) adds an layer of uncertainty. The previous administration was very accommodating to men's basketball (and to coaching salaries) and there is no guarantee the next one will be as generous.
2025 marks ten years since Georgetown's last Associated Press ranking and 10 years since it received an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. Within that stretch, one winning season. That's 10 years of young alumni and future donors with a poor customer experience and less likely to be there for the long haul. They've moved on with their lives and basketball isn't as important anymore.
DFW:
If Mr.Cooley can have two solid recruiting years in a row( including transfers) the program can still be revived. The Georgetown Name and reputation of the school still has resonance in the market.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 29, 2024, 02:41:07 PMDFW:
If Mr.Cooley can have two solid recruiting years in a row( including transfers) the program can still be revived. The Georgetown Name and reputation of the school still has resonance in the market.
lol
DePaul beats Valpo at home. Now 7-0. This was there first "real" test. They do look ok. Coaching makes a difference.
Quote from: The Lens on November 29, 2024, 03:44:29 PMDePaul beats Valpo at home. Now 7-0. This was there first "real" test. They do look ok. Coaching makes a difference.
100% coaching makes a difference. I have a couple friends who have their kids at DePaul and they keep saying they haven't played anyone. While I agree, they were losing to those teams the last two years. Holtman will hopefully have them consistently respectable again. Would be nice to add some juice to this regional rivalry again.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2024, 04:02:10 PM100% coaching makes a difference. I have a couple friends who have their kids at DePaul and they keep saying they haven't played anyone. While I agree, they were losing to those teams the last two years. Holtman will hopefully have them consistently respectable again. Would be nice to add some juice to this regional rivalry again.
Yeah even if these were wins in past seasons, they were sweaty wins. Now DePaul is cruising through cupcakes. A step in the right direction. They've got a mid-table squad.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 29, 2024, 04:07:42 PMYeah even if these were wins in past seasons, they were sweaty wins. Now DePaul is cruising through cupcakes. A step in the right direction. They've got a mid-table squad.
I watched part of the game. Yep. Glad to see them step up a bit.
That Valpo gold looked a lot like Marquette gold. You could have worn your Marquette gear after all and blended in with the Valpo fans. All 8 of them.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 29, 2024, 04:13:53 PMI watched part of the game. Yep. Glad to see them step up a bit.
That Valpo gold looked a lot like Marquette gold. You could have worn your Marquette gear after all and blended in with the Valpo fans. All 8 of them.
Yelling in an unintelligible Indiana accent is second nature to any Wisconsinite with a steady flow of beer.
MU fans need to get Wintrust tickets locked up now to maintain historical hime court advantage
Quote from: The Lens on November 29, 2024, 03:44:29 PMDePaul beats Valpo at home. Now 7-0. This was there first "real" test. They do look ok. Coaching makes a difference.
Don't tell that to the Wojo faithful.
Butler up 6 at half over Mississippi State. Win by the Bulldogs will help Marquette's structured finance rating
McCaffery with a complete meltdown blowing a no footer. Butler lost major momentum. They better wake up.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 29, 2024, 10:22:05 PMMcCaffery with a conplete meltdown blowing a no footer. Butler lost major momentum. They better wake up.
They smoked too much weed, they're sleepy....
How did Butler lose to the Govs? They've looked pretty solid tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 29, 2024, 10:30:34 PMHow did Butler lose to the Govs? They've looked pretty solid tonight.
They're not. They are throwing up prayers and making 'em. Mississippi State can't hit bunnies
Looks like Marquette will be able to get that loan on the Chevy Caprice with the Butler win tonight
It's pushing midnight here, so I am heading to bed and rather than watching the foul fest in the final :46.
The Butler did it.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 29, 2024, 10:36:16 PMThey're not. They are throwing up prayers and making 'em. Mississippi State can't hit bunnies
It didn't look that way to me. They're not worldbeaters but I don't think they're terrible.
Butler wins. BE should be a 7 bid league now
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2024, 10:40:13 PMButler wins. BE should be a 7 bid league now
The announcer mentioned 4 teams in the BEast that "should be there". Marquette was not one of those teams. Lol.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 29, 2024, 10:39:44 PMIt didn't look that way to me. They're not worldbeaters but I don't think they're terrible.
Other than one drive and kick their entire offense in the last 10 minutes was letting Telfort and Brooks go one one-on-one and trying to make step back jumpers and circus shots. Fortunately for them, they made them.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 29, 2024, 10:45:28 PMOther than one drive and kick their entire offense in the last 10 minutes was letting Telfort and Brooks go one one-on-one and trying to make step back jumpers and circus shots. Fortunately for them, they made them.
They're pretty good iso players. I saw a few circus shots but not a plethora of them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 29, 2024, 10:49:55 PMThey're pretty good iso players. I saw a few circus shots but not a plethora of them.
Blind
Well they were 12/22 from 3 which is higher than normal.
Excellent Butler win.Restores some dignity and respect to The Big East.
Coaching Matta..... 8-)
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2024, 08:05:03 AMExcellent Butler win.Restores some dignity and respect to The Big East.
Coaching Matta..... 8-)
Yep. Counterbalances UCONN's face planting in Maui. We're respected again.
That crowd for the Creighton- ND game is embarrassing.
I wasn't necessarily a fan of MU's game in the Bahamas, but I am glad Shaka doesn't seem interested in just playing in an MTE just to say that they did.
Ummm
DePaul may be improved. Gtown could be pretty improved
But Seton Hall is just taking their place. What a horrific basketball team
Monmouth could get their first win. Big day for them.
Monmouth!!!! Seriously? Wow just wow.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 30, 2024, 12:23:45 PMThat crowd for the Creighton- ND game is embarrassing.
I wasn't necessarily a fan of MU's game in the Bahamas, but I am glad Shaka doesn't seem interested in just playing in an MTE just to say that they did.
What happened to Kalky?
Quote from: tower912 on November 30, 2024, 12:32:25 PMMonmouth could get their first win. Big day for them.
In their history?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 30, 2024, 12:59:00 PMIn their history?
First win of season and first win ever against Hall
That's degrading enough for Shaheen
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 12:59:47 PMFirst win of season and first win ever against Hall
That's degrading enough for Shaheen
PGs I was just being sarcastic. What a horrible loss though for the Hall.
Georgetown sweating against Albany
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 12:59:47 PMFirst win of season and first win ever against Hall
That's degrading enough for Shaheen
I guess that reclaimed "respect and dignity" for the BE that Herman wrote about due to Butler's win last night just went down the toilet.
I remember Brew posting something about warning that SH might have "buyer's remorse" after hiring Holloway. Just like his prediction that UCONN would lose to Dayton, he's entitled to do a victory lap.
It is entirely possible that Nova and SH will be fighting it out for last place in the BE at the end of the season, giving DePaul and Georgetown a breather. I'm putting my money on SH.
Someone tell FS2 that you can't "UCONN" Albany by making it UALBANY
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 12:31:20 PMUmmm
DePaul may be improved. Gtown could be pretty improved
But Seton Hall is just taking their place. What a horrific basketball team
Couldn't happen to a better fanbase.
Well, I guess Providence actually...oh and Dayton.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 12:59:47 PMFirst win of season and first win ever against Hall
That's degrading enough for Shaheen
Great rule of thumb for hiring a coach:
Never let the departing coach have an influence on who the new hire is. Hall and Nova getting burned badly on that.
Monmouth should not be anywhere close to The Hall. Something is rotten in Denmark.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 30, 2024, 04:07:28 PMCouldn't happen to a better fanbase.
Well, I guess Providence actually...oh and Dayton.
Yup Prov and SHU I will never root for. Rest of BE I mostly root to see do well
SHU I actually don't mind their fans online. Prov fans are legit insanely annoying morons. But Ill never like SHU from those Powell and Mamu years and Theo being treated as the villain why those guys could get away with murder
Seton Hall is now #313 in offense on Kenpom
Holy Sh it
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 04:19:14 PMYup Prov and SHU I will never root for. Rest of BE I mostly root to see do well
SHU I actually don't mind their fans online. Prov fans are legit insanely annoying morons. But Ill never like SHU from those Powell and Mamu years and Theo being treated as the villain why those guys could get away with murder
SHU fans were the douchiest fans in the BE I have dealt with. Xavier, Butler, Creighton fans were all just fine. Haven't been around most of the rest of the BE for a game.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 04:22:22 PMSeton Hall is now #313 in offense on Kenpom
Holy Sh it
Not surprised at all by that. He's not a good offensive coach at all. His St. Peter's offenses were bad. Seton Hall is headed to the Big East basement, replacing DePaul
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 30, 2024, 04:19:14 PMYup Prov and SHU I will never root for. Rest of BE I mostly root to see do well
SHU I actually don't mind their fans online. Prov fans are legit insanely annoying morons. But Ill never like SHU from those Powell and Mamu years and Theo being treated as the villain why those guys could get away with murder
I especially enjoyed watching Williard lose in person at the Maryland game. That SH/MU BET game where Powell was let back in after being ejected was a mind-boggling decision by the refs. This season they could end up being the BE cellar dweller.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 04:39:56 PMI especially enjoyed watching Williard lose in person at the Maryland game. That SH/MU BET game where Powell was let back in after being ejected was a mind-boggling decision by the refs. This season they could end up being the BE cellar dweller.
That was a complete disgrace.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 30, 2024, 04:44:25 PMThat was a complete disgrace.
This is great Muggsy. This is the second time in a week that we agree on something. The next thing you know, we'll be BFFs.
I do not normally get worked up by horrible calls. I just take them as part of the game and accept that referee-ing is almost inherently imperfect. But THAT one? When Nova took them down in the championship game, there was quite a delay before the ceremonious presentation of the trophy by Val. Did the SH fans go home. Hell no! They stuck around just to boo loudly. No class, No class at all.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 03:58:03 PMIt is entirely possible that Nova and SH will be fighting it out for last place in the BE at the end of the season, giving DePaul and Georgetown a breather. I'm putting my money on SH.
Anything's possible but I'd be very surprised in Nova is one of the bottom 2 in the BE.
Creighton getting back into winning column is helpful to Big East cause . Notre Dame is improved so todays Bluejay win is solid.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 30, 2024, 05:48:31 PMAnything's possible but I'd be very surprised in Nova is one of the bottom 2 in the BE.
Other than a one point loss to Maryland, their year-to-date performance looks pretty bad. Penn clobbered them. I'm basing my comment on
what they have shown so far. Not much!
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 30, 2024, 06:00:27 PMCreighton getting back into winning column is helpful to Big East cause . Notre Dame is improved so todays Bluejay win is solid.
Ashworth played. Kalkbrenner did not.
Quote from: tower912 on November 30, 2024, 06:48:19 PMAshworth played. Kalkbrenner did not.
DOesnt help the Kalkbrenner is some irreplaceable superstar cause.
Johnnie win over Harvard was much needed.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 06:03:51 PMOther than a one point loss to Maryland, their year-to-date performance looks pretty bad. Penn clobbered them. I'm basing my comment on what they have shown so far. Not much!
They clobbered Penn. Nova's best win of the season
https://villanova.com/news/2024/11/19/mens-basketball-wildcats-clamp-down-on-penn-to-post-a-93-49-win.aspx
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 30, 2024, 03:59:45 PMSomeone tell FS2 that you can't "UCONN" Albany by making it UALBANY
It's not FS2, it's the university. They are known for marketing purposes as the University at Albany. Like UWM athletics teams are now "Milwaukee."
https://ualbanysports.com/splash.aspx?id=splash_127&path=mbball
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 01, 2024, 10:58:12 AMThey clobbered Penn. Nova's best win of the season
https://villanova.com/news/2024/11/19/mens-basketball-wildcats-clamp-down-on-penn-to-post-a-93-49-win.aspx
My bad. Too quick of a look and flip flopped it.
X is tied with South Carolina St. 13 mins left in the 2H.
nm
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2024, 04:56:33 PMX is tied with South Carolina St. 13 mins left in the 2H.
X in a serious Dog fight at home against Bulldogs of South Carolina State
Yikes. X better hold on.
That was nuts. X survives.
X survives. Yeeeeeeesh
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2024, 05:55:01 PMThat was nuts. X survives.
Trey Green in discussion for X SOTG. Clutch free throws at end.
The SC State kid who threw the ball away after stolen inbounds going to be thinking about that for a while
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2024, 05:55:15 PMX survives. Yeeeeeeesh
So they foul up 3 at 9 secs and 7 secs, but not at 4 secs? The kid had a good look.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 01, 2024, 06:01:55 PMSo they foul up 3 at 9 secs and 7 secs, but not at 4 secs? The kid had a good look.
Did not understand that at all. Fortunately for X they made their free throws.
Good result for the Big East's stock portfolio
Jenkins sounds bored.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 06:03:51 PMOther than a one point loss to Maryland, their year-to-date performance looks pretty bad. Penn clobbered them. I'm basing my comment on what they have shown so far. Not much!
So when you turn out to be wrong you won't be wrong. Nice.
Excellent win for Mr Cooley over UMBC. Wins are a good thing for Big East right now.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2024, 10:34:11 PMExcellent win for Mr Cooley over UMBC. Wins are a good thing for Big East right now.
Helps Marquette's gas mileage
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2024, 10:34:11 PMExcellent win for Mr Cooley over UMBC. Wins are a good thing for Big East right now.
They've always been a good thing but especially wins vs. teams that are above cupcake level. I would not call a win over UMBC excellent regardless of the score.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2024, 08:21:08 AMThey've always been a good thing but especially wins vs. teams that are above cupcake level. I would not call a win over UMBC excellent regardless of the score.
It's a huge win
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2024, 08:21:08 AMI would not call a win over UMBC excellent regardless of the score.
Tony Bennett disagrees.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2024, 08:21:08 AMThey've always been a good thing but especially wins vs. teams that are above cupcake level. I would not call a win over UMBC excellent regardless of the score.
for Georgetown (and DePaul) any win is a huge win.
Depaul got three votes in yesterday's AP poll. I can't help but be a little happy for whatever fans of the program remain.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2024, 08:21:08 AMThey've always been a good thing but especially wins vs. teams that are above cupcake level. I would not call a win over UMBC excellent regardless of the score.
Virginia disagrees.
Rico, Wades, Tower, and Billy-
Thanks for your responses to my blowing off UMBC. ;D
Now if Nova takes down Cincinnati tonight...THAT would "help the Big East cause."
Quote from: Oldgym on December 03, 2024, 10:27:03 AMDepaul got three votes in yesterday's AP poll. I can't help but be a little happy for whatever fans of the program remain.
They got three points but only 1 vote. From a guy that voted for 16 of the 17 remaining undefeated teams, including kenpom #142 Columbia.
Quote from: tower912 on December 03, 2024, 10:27:52 AMVirginia disagrees.
This year's UVA team might meet the same fate as they did before if they played UMBC. :D
That game, with (I think) UVA as the overall #1 seed, was mind boggling. I think the game was tied at the half and I said to my wife "there is going to be a 20 point difference at the end of the second half". Hey, I got that part right. Not quite in the order I was thinking of though.
Quote from: MUpugnacity on December 03, 2024, 10:46:46 AMThey got three points but only 1 vote. From a guy that voted for 16 of the 17 remaining undefeated teams, including kenpom #142 Columbia.
Fair enough. DP fan(s) still got to see the school name in the bright spotlight of ORV.
Karaban out tomorrow vs Baylor
Yikes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2024, 04:39:41 PMExcellent
This should make MU82 very happy. He thoroughly enjoyed the Maui Massacre.
BE is currently on pace to win every game of the Big12 challenge
Nova might just pull this one out
Up 10. Under 8 to go.
Cmon Neptune
Cincinnati ranked #14 for beating...absolutely nobody. Big East needs this one.
Absolutely CR. It's vital Nova gets the W here.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 03, 2024, 07:05:27 PMCincinnati ranked #14 for beating...absolutely nobody. Big East needs this one.
When you have a player named Jizzle James, what more do you really need?
Nova implosion is bubbling. Can they avoid it.
Up 11 and they miss multiple chances at D rebounds. Finally give up a scramble 3.
Dixon TO. Foul Cincy on other end.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 07:13:17 PMNova implosion is bubbling. Can they avoid it.
Up 11 and they miss multiple chances at D rebounds. Finally give up a scramble 3.
Dixon TO. Foul Cincy on other end.
Excellent
Wildcats with a chance for a quality win over Bearcats. Neptune needs the squad to stay focused last 5 minutes.
Dixon was launching bricks for a little bit there
But two big ones should be the dagger
Big win for the league
Providence winning tonight is also important.
Can't wait to see Nova's NET leap up 25 spots tomorrow.
Excellent Nova win will help our US World & News rankings
Hopkins is playing. 11 months.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2024, 07:43:30 PMExcellent Nova win will help our US World & News rankings
And interests going down, will help MU cause
Butler with a nice win....
The Dence 5 over infidel mormons
Pretty good half for the Dence.
Quote from: Oldgym on December 03, 2024, 10:27:03 AMDepaul got three votes in yesterday's AP poll. I can't help but be a little happy for whatever fans of the program remain.
This is what they're posting on FB.
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Prov rolling now
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 07:21:14 PMDixon was launching bricks for a little bit there
But two big ones should be the dagger
Big win for the league
And from a team destined to be in the bottom 2 of the Big East - lol.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 03, 2024, 08:26:40 PMThis is what they're posting on FB.
(https://scontent-ord5-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/469049726_10230618780525967_2961637726453089573_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=qmwGnwSDSJoQ7kNvgFlnDZn&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-3.xx&_nc_gid=A5TpdneLAe5tOUbgx-KmFox&oh=00_AYDDaAov3_RpuohthMrtDuj9WpL0xCALzFqwXpKzkvzdng&oe=6755A3DE)
Definitely hang this banner at Wintrust.
The big east will be a subtle pisser this year. Just a bummer those teams were so garbage this non-con season. Oh well.
PC completes the blowout. Nice
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 03, 2024, 09:26:09 PMAnd from a team destined to be in the bottom 2 of the Big East - lol.
They won't be bottom 2. But they won't be good either.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 03, 2024, 09:38:46 PMThe big east will be a subtle pisser this year. Just a bummer those teams were so garbage this non-con season. Oh well.
Good news is that pretty much every Big East team has a few games against high major competition left to remedy that. Tonight was a start—hopefully December can get the league back on track.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 03, 2024, 09:38:46 PMThe big east will be a subtle pisser this year. Just a bummer those teams were so garbage this non-con season. Oh well.
Hopkins is a game changer for PC.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2024, 08:24:10 AMHopkins is a game changer for PC.
Definitely. Things should look up for PC from here, but this seems to be a trend with them having some early damaging losses and then they present a challenge for intra-conference opponents. At least this year with Hopkins' situation there is a legit explanation.
The first step to DePaul proving they at least have a shot to be better than the DePaul of the last many years is if they can cover the 15.5 tonight at Texas Tech.
Through 14 minutes UConn's defense still stinks.
Karaban's absence is not helpful.
I still can't believe St.J blew that game vs Baylor. UCONN is only down 1 Tower. Slow start?
UConn beats Baylor, both teams short handed.
Helps the Big East get a small business loan
Good result.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2024, 07:58:03 PMGood result.
I know. We can open that coffee shop we always dreamed about
UConn wins. Let's go Creighton
Excellent win for U Conn. Bog East needed it
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2024, 08:06:29 PMExcellent win for U Conn. Bog East needed it
In other Bog East news, DePaul is down 14-2 at Texas Tech
Creighton up 10 at half over Kansas
DePaul has tied up Texas Tech at 21
Texas Tech 38 DePaul 37 at half
Court storm coming relatively soon in Omaha.
Nice win for Creighton.
The Big East is cookin, just in time for Marquette to stumble...
Marquette would've been #1 this week with 2 wins.
Big one Saturday
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2024, 08:06:29 PMExcellent win for U Conn. Bog East needed it
Yep. The Bog East had really bigged down.
Hang a banner - DePaul beat the spread!
Excellent win for Creighton . Puts some respect on The Big East name again.
Marquette screwed the Big East.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2024, 10:28:52 PMExcellent win for Creighton . Puts some respect on The Big East name again.
FINALLY! Yes, it was an
excellent win. The laws of probability were that eventually you would get one right Herman.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 04, 2024, 10:28:52 PMExcellent win for Creighton . Puts some respect on The Big East name again.
FINALLY! Yes, it was an
excellent win. The laws of probability were that eventually you would get one right Herman.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2024, 01:10:00 AMMarquette screwed the Big East.
Oh don't you start. I
finally got Heman to stop saying (fill in the blank) "screwed the Big East" whenever a BE team lost, and you do this. Shut up 82!.
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2024, 10:16:16 PMHang a banner - DePaul beat the spread!
DePaul was down 14-0. Came all the way back to tie it at 21. Fell down by 18 points in the 2nd half at 67-49 Pulled within 9 at 67-58.
Will X respond tonight?
X not looking good early.
Looking better in the 2nd half.
That was a jump ball? Lol.
Wow. X cannot foul there.
3 self-inflicted errors by X to close the game.
Lol. No foul on that. Smh.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 09:04:23 PM3 self-inflicted errors by X to close the game.
They're not a good team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 09:10:56 PMThey have some issues, true.
Dropped 30 spots in KenPom since opening night. Hard to do with only 1-loss but they just haven't been very good, even when winning
Georgetown drops one to West Virginia tonight.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:28:56 PMGeorgetown drops one to West Virginia tonight.
Their goes our PairWise
Thank you to Creighton for participating in the 2024-25 college basketball season.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1865417296237199728
Pop was gonna win them games but also lose them games. This happening now Vs later may be good, and may have been "planned" for some time
Day-umm. Opportunities await.
"The young freshman stepped in to start today and put up 18 points in MU's win!"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 07, 2024, 09:42:15 AMThank you to Creighton for participating in the 2024-25 college basketball season.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1865417296237199728
Excellent
Not a good start for St.John's.
K-State with an insurmountable 1-point lead with 10:29 left in the first half. Brutal
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 10:52:48 AMK-State with an insurmountable 1-point lead with 10:29 left in the first half. Brutal
Did I say the lead was insurmountable? They don't look particularly good early.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 11:03:27 AMDid I say the lead was insurmountable? They don't look particularly good early.
No, I said it was insurmountable and I stand by it.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 11:05:30 AMNo, I said it was insurmountable and I stand by it.
They may have woken up after you attacked them.
Hausen is on 🔥. Neptune let him get away.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 11:05:30 AMNo, I said it was insurmountable and I stand by it.
The 1-point lead wasn't but the 4-point halftime lead may be too big a hill to climb.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2024, 11:24:29 AMThe 1-point lead wasn't but the 4-point halftime lead may be too big a hill to climb.
Guess it was mountable. SMDH
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 11:54:45 AMGuess it was mountable. SMDH
I assume St. John's is cheating.
Zuby has taken over.
Excellent for Johnnies. Any win over Tang is a good one as Tang stole Shakas Coach Of The Year sweep two years ago . Of course win helps restore Big East Honor
I liked Pitino wearing the Lou sweater.
At my age?
Providence let the Big East down today. Needed to win that rivalry game against unbeaten Rams.
I'd go as far as to say that Providence screwed the Big East.
Kalky isn't moving particularly well.
Tonje is a fraud. 500 FT's vs Zona.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 03:39:31 PMTonje is a fraud. 500 FT's vs Zona.
He's probably weighed with all the work he must be doing in medical school
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 07, 2024, 02:53:15 PMProvidence let the Big East down today. Needed to win that rivalry game against unbeaten Rams.
The Dence suxs
Creighton will move back into the Top 25 - maybe take Madison's spot.
Butler is competing but having some issues.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 06:07:12 PMButler is competing but having some issues.
They're a tough team. Not super talented, but tough.
Getting blasted now
But tough to blame them. Even with this Houston team being more flawed then the past few. Facing them with their D in their building.
Yeah, not likely to be competitive.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2024, 06:16:09 PMGetting blasted now
But tough to blame them. Even with this Houston team being more flawed then the past few. Facing them with their D in their building.
Yeah, not likely to be competitive.
48 points isn't gonna work.
Hahah Muggs acting like that's even close to the first time Rico has said that got quite the chuckle outta me
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2024, 06:27:28 PMHahah Muggs acting like that's even close to the first time Rico has said that got quite the chuckle outta me
He also disparaged Shaboozey.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 06:29:51 PMHe also disparaged Shaboozey.
You asked where Shaboozey came from. I answered.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 06:31:50 PMYou asked where Shaboozey came from. I answered.
It was a nuanced slight and unnecessary.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 06:33:51 PMIt was a nuanced slight and unnecessary.
There was no nuance. He came from his parents.
And it was excellent that Butler lost. Eff 'em
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 06:35:31 PMThere was no nuance. He came from his parents.
And it was excellent that Butler lost. Eff 'em
I like Shaboozey. No reason to attack him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 06:50:00 PMI like Shaboozey. No reason to attack him.
I mean, he came from his parents
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 06:51:23 PMI mean, he came from his parents
I'm well versed in your sarcasm, humor, and wit. That said, lay off Shaboozey. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 06:50:00 PMI like Shaboozey. No reason to attack him.
I like Shaboozey's hit song.
Excellent win by Bluejays. They are without Pops for the rest of season now.
Nova romp also helped Big East cause.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 07:26:54 PMI'm well versed in your sarcasm, humor, and wit. That said, lay off Shaboozey. :)
Shaboozey suxs
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2024, 08:53:34 PMSuxs
That's not an answer. Shaboozey seems like a solid dude.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 08:56:25 PMThat's not an answer. Shaboozey seems like a solid dude.
Nah, suxs
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 08:56:25 PMThat's not an answer. Shaboozey seems like a solid dude.
You are a professional at feeling slighted on behalf of other people/things
Shaboozey would be a perennial doormat if he were in the Big East.
The Hall is getting bulldozed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 08, 2024, 11:48:48 AMThe Hall is getting bulldozed.
They may be historically bad for a big east team. Worst ranked offense in the big east since 2008 by adjOE (t rank) at #318. Only 2016 St. John's at #306 comes anywhere close to as bad.
I'd rather be a DePaul fan with holtmann over the next few years than a hall fan with Holloway.
Is there any chance Seton Hall gets away from Holloway next year? The writing is on the wall, but seems like they're pot committed to the tune of 1-2 more seasons.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 08, 2024, 03:58:14 PMIs there any chance Seton Hall gets away from Holloway next year? The writing is on the wall, but seems like they're pot committed to the tune of 1-2 more seasons.
Feels like the same question could be asked at Villanova, Georgetown, and Providence. I'd put the over/under at 1.5 of those actually pulling the trigger though.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 04:38:39 PMFeels like the same question could be asked at Villanova, Georgetown, and Providence. I'd put the over/under at 1.5 of those actually pulling the trigger though.
I would take the under as Nova is the only one in the BE at which I could see a coaching change happening. Cooley's buyout at Gtown is likely too rich for them to cut bait now (Gtown athletics doesn't have the money the institution has), this is English's second season at PC and they won 21 games last year after losing Hopkins to a season ending injury, at which time they were 11-2 overall and had just beaten us by 15. He also signed a one year extension in April, giving him six years left on his contract. PC isn't buying out five years.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 08, 2024, 03:58:14 PMIs there any chance Seton Hall gets away from Holloway next year? The writing is on the wall, but seems like they're pot committed to the tune of 1-2 more seasons.
Seton hall reportedly has a terrible NIL situation. I think it's a pretty unattractive job right now so they may not want to fire Holloway and pay his buyout unless they already have someone better lined up.
UConn wins at Texas. May want to postpone the post-mortems
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 08, 2024, 06:24:45 PMUConn wins at Texas. May want to postpone the post-mortems
Probably but Texas hasn't beaten anyone.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 08, 2024, 06:47:16 PMProbably but Texas hasn't beaten anyone.
Still haven't.
UConn will be fine.
Excellent win for Huskies over Longhorns. Helps the Big East cause and nice momentum after the win over Baylor. Gonzaga game will be another opportunity for Quality Win.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 04:38:39 PMFeels like the same question could be asked at Villanova, Georgetown, and Providence. I'd put the over/under at 1.5 of those actually pulling the trigger though.
It's a little early to start up the carousel, isn't it?
Ed Cooley could have a 13-18 record this season. Good? No. But there's no Plan B and with an interim president through 2025-26 there's not going to be a lot of changes. Cooley came to Georgetown because of its president and now that relationship will change. How and when, we don't know.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 04:38:39 PMFeels like the same question could be asked at Villanova, Georgetown, and Providence. I'd put the over/under at 1.5 of those actually pulling the trigger though.
Barring a miraculous run this postseason, I can't imagine Neptune returns next year. For the reasons others posted above, I'd think English and Cooley are safer than Neptune.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 08, 2024, 08:31:26 PMIt's a little early to start up the carousel, isn't it?
Ed Cooley could have a 13-18 record this season. Good? No. But there's no Plan B and with an interim president through 2025-26 there's not going to be a lot of changes. Cooley came to Georgetown because of its president and now that relationship will change. How and when, we don't know.
Early? Are you kidding me? Everyone knew Neptune was coaching for his job on day one and last year everyone knew Kenny Payne was a dead man walking. Tony Stubblefield was fired about 6 weeks later into the season than we are now. The carousel is always spinning.
Seton Hall is a poverty program. Seton Hall Twitter says they have no NIL. Which would make sense, given that Kadary Richmond left for St. John's.
Plus, if Shaka is a player's coach, I think Shaheen is the complete opposite. Nobody's going to want to stick around to play for pretty boy coaches in the portal era, especially if their NIL prospects are better elsewhere. Even if Shaheen somehow has a strong year next year, the chances of building off that success are low.
But as a poverty program, Seton Hall is pretty much stuck with Shaheen until they get their act together. I could see them becoming the new DePaul. Perennial doormat with a revolving door of D list coaches.
My other BE coaching bullet points:
Georgetown: Cooley will get more time. The turnaround is going slowly, but I can't see Georgetown pulling the plug for a couple years. Makes me appreciate how quickly Shaka turn Marquette around.
Villanova: Obviously Neptune's seat is burning hot. Miss the tourney and he's toast. Make the tournament and he skates by. Can he Wojo his way to 7 years?
Providence: The bloom is fading. After a 6-4 start, Providence Twitter is starting to question Kim English. He'll get a couple more years, but safe to say the honeymoon is over.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 09, 2024, 07:20:38 AMSeton Hall is a poverty program. Seton Hall Twitter says they have no NIL. Which would make sense, given that Kadary Richmond left for St. John's.
Plus, if Shaka is a player's coach, I think Shaheen is the complete opposite. Nobody's going to want to stick around to play for pretty boy coaches in the portal era, especially if their NIL prospects are better elsewhere. Even if Shaheen somehow has a strong year next year, the chances of building off that success are low.
But as a poverty program, Seton Hall is pretty much stuck with Shaheen until they get their act together. I could see them becoming the new DePaul. Perennial doormat with a revolving door of D list coaches.
This got me wondering about Big East endowments, and I didn't realize that some of them were pretty low compared to others.
https://x.com/hoyatalk/status/1635754047025164291
Xavier and Butler are under $300 million, with PC and Seton Hall just above.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2024, 07:55:02 AMThis got me wondering about Big East endowments, and I didn't realize that some of them were pretty low compared to others.
https://x.com/hoyatalk/status/1635754047025164291
Xavier and Butler are under $300 million, with PC and Seton Hall just above.
Not sure on the source (and it may be right) but I thought MU had an endowment right around 1 billion (997) this year. Seems like that 865 has been the number for a couple of years now.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 09, 2024, 08:14:30 AMNot sure on the source (and it may be right) but I thought MU had an endowment right around 1 billion (997) this year. Seems like that 865 has been the number for a couple of years now.
I think you are correct. The tweet is from over a year agao and this is self-reported information that was likely dated even then.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2024, 08:22:10 AMI think you are correct. The tweet is from over a year agao and this is self-reported information that was likely dated even then.
I would think MU'S number is higher, as Lovell's final fundraiser was successful.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 08:40:36 AMI would think MU'S number is higher, as Lovell's final fundraiser was successful.
And the market's been great.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 09, 2024, 08:14:30 AMNot sure on the source (and it may be right) but I thought MU had an endowment right around 1 billion (997) this year. Seems like that 865 has been the number for a couple of years now.
Those were the published numbers for 2022. Marquette's FY24 endowment totals are found on its most recent financial statements, which lists an endowment total of $990.07 million as of June 30, 2024 (page 20).
https://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/MUFY24Audit.pdf
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 09, 2024, 08:46:34 AMThose were the published numbers for 2022. Marquette's FY24 endowment totals are found on its most recent financial statements, which lists an endowment total of $990.07 million as of June 30, 2024 (page 20).
https://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/MUFY24Audit.pdf
So just a hair under $1B. (The endowment description is under Note 4 that starts on page 18.)
My larger point however is that some of our BE bretheren have significantly less endowment than I thought they did.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2024, 07:55:02 AMThis got me wondering about Big East endowments, and I didn't realize that some of them were pretty low compared to others.
https://x.com/hoyatalk/status/1635754047025164291
Xavier and Butler are under $300 million, with PC and Seton Hall just above.
Some of these schools are pretty small. UCONN really surprises me. Don't they have like 35K students every year? Their alumni base has to be ginormous.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2024, 12:09:00 PMSome of these schools are pretty small. UCONN really surprises me. Don't they have like 35K students every year? Their alumni base has to be ginormous.
Public universities almost always have smaller endowments than their private school peers on a per student basis. Texas and A&M's are huge due to state law directing a portion of oil leases on state lands to be directed to their endowments.
And UConn was an afterthought until about 40 years ago when it started to change. They were always overshadowed by the large number of known private universities in Connecticut.
In excellent news, North Dakota State is up 19-11 over Butler at the under-12 timeout in the first half
North Dakota St. up 31-16 over Butler with 7:03 left in an excellent half for the Bison
NDSU making it rain from 3. Butler is completely out of sync on both ends.
Jacari White outscored Butler in the first half 24-23.
North Dakota State up excellently, 44-23 at half over Butler. Coaching Matta's
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2024, 06:17:46 PMNorth Dakota State up excellently, 44-23 at half over Butler. Coaching Matta's
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Three point shooting is the great equalizer.
Do we want DePaul or the Dence?
Blue Demons! Prov is evil.
Butler coming back. Playing very physically in the second half.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2024, 07:09:58 PMButler coming back. Playing very physically in the second half.
Not excellent
Apparently Butler got mad?
Boooooo
Butlers missed 4 straight.
But maybe not mad enough? WTF?
Butler quit doing what got them the lead and the Bison made them pay.
Yikes.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2024, 07:30:39 PMButler quit doing what got them the lead and the Bison made them pay.
Not good at all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 10, 2024, 07:36:59 PMNot good at all.
Losing multiple buy games is unacceptable.
Excellent news
Buy games can go either way.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2024, 07:45:08 PMBuy games can go either way.
10-0 run for Butler to take a 5 point lead, misses multiple bunnies, and NDSU finishes on a 8-0 run. NDSU's first win over a BE opponent since beating us in 2006.
Xavier with 116 points with 46.1 seconds left
Wintrust still a ghost town, even with a decent team.
On an unrelated note: I had no idea that Bryce Hopkins is a Fenwick grad.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 10, 2024, 08:02:55 PMWintrust still a ghost town, even with a decent team.
On an unrelated note: I had no idea that Bryce Hopkins is a Fenwick grad.
MU fans need to buy up Wintrust tickets to maintain our traditional home court advantage in Chicago.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 10, 2024, 08:35:20 PMMU fans need to buy up Wintrust tickets to maintain our traditional home court advantage in Chicago.
We do it every year and we will again, this time on a Tuesday night
Quote from: warriorchick on December 10, 2024, 08:02:55 PMWintrust still a ghost town, even with a decent team.
When fans walk away, they just don't come back that fast.
Is Bryce Hopkins mid
DePaul OT Loss to PV. Tough.
This is gonna be a classic Providence start to the year
Lose bad non con games.
Start hot in league play. And of course we get them early at their place again in what will probably wind up being a joke of a game.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 10, 2024, 09:41:58 PMWhen fans walk away, they just don't come back that fast.
I will hold judgement on if Depaul is a "decent team".
How did UConn already catch up to us on Kenpom??
St. Thomas is 9 spots ahead of Seton Hall currently.
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 10, 2024, 10:14:38 PMHow did UConn already catch up to us on Kenpom??
St. Thomas is 9 spots ahead of Seton Hall currently.
They did better on their finals. (Wait, there's no teal on the new platform?!)
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 10, 2024, 10:14:38 PMHow did UConn already catch up to us on Kenpom??
St. Thomas is 9 spots ahead of Seton Hall currently.
They beat Maryland Eastern Shore by 54 points and won at Texas by 11, in a game they were underdogs in.
Hurley has also beaten
Sacred Heart by 36
New Hampshire by 39
Le Moyne by 41
East Texas AM by 35
If you're going to ask if those margins really matter the answer is yes.
They get a pass of sorts because they are b2b champs, but it's a loophole in the system when you demolish really bad teams and never take your foot off the gas
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 10, 2024, 10:14:38 PMHow did UConn already catch up to us on Kenpom??
St. Thomas is 9 spots ahead of Seton Hall currently.
Big East audition.
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 10, 2024, 10:14:38 PMHow did UConn already catch up to us on Kenpom??
St. Thomas is 9 spots ahead of Seton Hall currently.
That's if you only look at ranking. Net rating still shows a sizeable gap.
10. Marquette +24.95
12. UConn +21.96 (2.99 behind Marquette)
32. Dayton +19.21 (2.75 behind UConn)
UConn is closer to Dayton than Marquette.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 10, 2024, 08:02:55 PMWintrust still a ghost town, even with a decent team.
On an unrelated note: I had no idea that Bryce Hopkins is a Fenwick grad.
That was part of why Holtmann tried to poach him in the summer, using Chicago connections to try to bring him home. Kim got pretty salty about that.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 11, 2024, 06:54:32 AMThat's if you only look at ranking. Net rating still shows a sizeable gap.
10. Marquette +24.95
12. UConn +21.96 (2.99 behind Marquette)
32. Dayton +19.21 (2.75 behind UConn)
UConn is closer to Dayton than Marquette.
Correct. KenPom always seperates itself into tiers near the top of the rankings.
Tier 1:
1. Auburn 32.16
Tier 2:
2. Tennessee 30.96
3. Duke 30.77
4. Gonzaga 29.95
5. Houston 29.83
6. Iowa State 28.30
Tier 3:
7. Alabama 25.53
8. Florida 25.29
9. Kentucky 24.99
10. Marquette 24.95
11. Kansas 23.51
Tier 4
12. UConn 21.96
20 other teams before the next gap
UConn climbed to the top of their tier, which is good, but its a big jump from Tier 4 to Tier 3. We have an even bigher jump if we want to go from Tier 3 to Tier 2
Quote from: DoctorV on December 10, 2024, 08:45:43 PMWe do it every year and we will again, this time on a Tuesday night
Just bought mine. Great seats still available direct from DU.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 10, 2024, 08:35:20 PMMU fans need to buy up Wintrust tickets to maintain our traditional home court advantage in Chicago.
MU has the traditional home crowd advantage, but still loses there more than they should.
Thank you for those ball knowers smarter than me explaining in detail the Kenpom breakout. Santa has you on his nice list.
Excellent Schedule provides a lot of opportunities today for Big East redemption.
Several rivalry games plus a lot of Quad1 opponents .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 14, 2024, 07:41:16 AMExcellent Schedule provides a lot of opportunities today for Big East redemption.
Several rivalry games plus a lot of Quad1 opponents .
Will help our NIL
Looking at the schedule, one win would be a good day for the Big East. Don't see a win on the docket
DePaul down 5 at home at half against Wichita State.
Eventually, the sugar buzz wears off.
Depaul shithousing Wichita St, 74-66 with 8 min to play.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 01:37:31 PMDepaul craphousing Wichita St, 74-66 with 8 min to play.
DePaul might not be terrible.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 01:37:31 PMDepaul craphousing Wichita St, 74-66 with 8 min to play.
Might be a top-2 team in the Big East
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 01:48:19 PMI love this gag.
You should have been around for Radford.
Butler needs to wake up. Terrible start.
Butler with a god awful first 3 minutes.
Need Wisconsin to win to help our SOS
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 01:51:29 PMYou should have been around for Radford.
What I said in the Radford thread:
I don't think Marquette is going to be bad and I'm not worried about them, I love this team but Game 1 of a new season is always a question mark. It's always tough to deal with an older team too.
Antoine got 19 minutes in the Final 4 for Nova last year, DaQuan Smith played 33 games for a team that went to Round 2 in the NCAA Tournament. Not a typical Radford. They are old have guys that have played in high level games and they have guys returning from last years team.
I don't think Marquette should lose, but it probably won't be easy either.What WadesWorld said in the Radford thread:
I do like Shaka but I think he needs to start adding more talent. I think Sean Jones is a total steal and is the type of player we can build with. But I see a lot of role guys and not a ton of studs.
I think Shaka is good. He's definitely very likable. But I do have some concerns. He has gone just as many years without a Tournament win as Wojo did. I hope he changed that this year.
I don't get Cincy's unis. Hopefully X punks them.
Not sure Syracuse is much of anything but Georgetown looks competent at least.
They are going to beat Providence once this year and PC fanbase might melt.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 02:10:57 PMWhat I said in the Radford thread:
I don't think Marquette is going to be bad and I'm not worried about them, I love this team but Game 1 of a new season is always a question mark. It's always tough to deal with an older team too.
Antoine got 19 minutes in the Final 4 for Nova last year, DaQuan Smith played 33 games for a team that went to Round 2 in the NCAA Tournament. Not a typical Radford. They are old have guys that have played in high level games and they have guys returning from last years team.
I don't think Marquette should lose, but it probably won't be easy either.
What WadesWorld said in the Radford thread:
I do like Shaka but I think he needs to start adding more talent. I think Sean Jones is a total steal and is the type of player we can build with. But I see a lot of role guys and not a ton of studs.
I think Shaka is good. He's definitely very likable. But I do have some concerns. He has gone just as many years without a Tournament win as Wojo did. I hope he changed that this year.
I didn't like that Radford had more talent than us.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2024, 02:14:04 PMI didn't like that Radford had more talent than us.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Seton Hall/Rutgers is a brick fest.
Butler has settled down and its now tied 14-14
Excellent win for DePaul and The Big East . Blue Demons Romping like that helps everyone .
Wisconsin up excellently by 7 over Butler
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 02:17:48 PMSeton Hall/Rutgers is a brick fest.
Is there a drone or two observing?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 02:28:13 PMWisconsin up excellently by 7 over Butler
Unfortunately this is one of those instances where I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not lol.
From a pure resume standpoint, who are we rooting for here? A Wisconsin win
might save them from becoming unranked. But a Butler win should help keep them sub-75 in the NET.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 02:48:41 PMUnfortunately this is one of those instances where I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not lol.
From a pure resume standpoint, who are we rooting for here? A Wisconsin win might save them from becoming unranked. But a Butler win should help keep them sub-75 in the NET.
Always root against UW-M IMO.
We play Butler twice anyways!
Sean Miller looks beyond furious over the last two calls.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 02:49:36 PMAlways root against UW-M IMO.
We play Butler twice anyways!
^ This
Always root for the conference because play them twice.
X with a complete meltdown. Disappointing.
X meltdown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 02:11:37 PMI don't get Cincy's unis. Hopefully X punks them.
Not a fan of Cincinnati but I actually think those unis are pretty cool. Still hope they lose but not looking like it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 02:47:00 PMIs there a drone or two observing?
There are some things even the drones don't want to spy on.
Sean Miller may tackle that ref.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 03:03:51 PMThere are some things even the drones don't want to spy on.
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Lol.
WTH was Cincy thinking there up 3? They're damn lucky Freemantle missed that wide open three.
McCaffery missing a wide open no footer on a 2 on 1 cannot happen.
Telfort with his 1st points 26 minutes into the game.
There's mo explanation why Matta is playing McCaffery this half.
Butler is not very good.
Quote from: 1SE on December 14, 2024, 03:35:15 PMButler is not very good.
They aren't terrible. Telfort is an All Big East Player and their starting center is out with an injury similar to Zaide.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 03:39:23 PMThey aren't terrible. Telfort is an All Big East Player and their starting center is out with an injury similar to Zaide.
Great.
He said not very good. Which is very accurate word choice.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 02:10:57 PMWhat I said in the Radford thread:
Any time you wonder if you are being unfairly treated for a bad old take, the best thing to do is to pull it back up and try to justify it. I'm sure that'll quiet the critics. Keep it up!
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2024, 03:42:59 PMAny time you wonder if you are being unfairly treated for a bad old take, the best thing to do is to pull it back up and try to justify it. I'm sure that'll quiet the critics. Keep it up!
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2024, 03:42:59 PMAny time you wonder if you are being unfairly treated for a bad old take, the best thing to do is to pull it back up and try to justify it. I'm sure that'll quiet the critics. Keep it up!
I don't care if they critique or not. This is a free platform to do as they please.
Matta doesn't seem to possess the ability to adapt. Butler has been torched by the same play about 15 times.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 03:47:49 PMMatta doesn't seem to possess the ability to adapt. Butler has be torched by the same play about 15 times.
They also fouled way too much.
Telfort has been an absolute disaster today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 03:51:38 PMTelfort has been an absolute disaster today.
If we open anything worse than -8 against them Wednesday I'll cash in my 401k and double up
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 03:47:26 PMI don't care if they critique or not. This is a free platform to do as they please.
Saying this:
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 02:10:57 PMWhat I said in the Radford thread:
I don't think Marquette is going to be bad and I'm not worried about them, I love this team but Game 1 of a new season is always a question mark. It's always tough to deal with an older team too.
Antoine got 19 minutes in the Final 4 for Nova last year, DaQuan Smith played 33 games for a team that went to Round 2 in the NCAA Tournament. Not a typical Radford. They are old have guys that have played in high level games and they have guys returning from last years team.
I don't think Marquette should lose, but it probably won't be easy either.
What WadesWorld said in the Radford thread:
I do like Shaka but I think he needs to start adding more talent. I think Sean Jones is a total steal and is the type of player we can build with. But I see a lot of role guys and not a ton of studs.
I think Shaka is good. He's definitely very likable. But I do have some concerns. He has gone just as many years without a Tournament win as Wojo did. I hope he changed that this year.
In a response to this:
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 01:51:29 PMYou should have been around for Radford.
Is a strange way of showing you don't care.
Undisciplined offense by the Hall on 5 straight possessions.
SH is the new Depaul
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 14, 2024, 04:17:01 PMSH is the new Depaul
Some of the worst possessions you'll ever see in a tight game down the stretch.
Went out to get some product for tonight's game and came back to see Butler lost to Wisconsin. Great result for our NET. Also great to see X and Seton Hall lose
Providence is not very good.
Not exactly a ft exhibition happening in Jersey.
The Hall plays defense for 39:54, loses at the buzzer.
Another poor coaching decision by Shaheen.
Glad Hall did lose
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 01:51:29 PMYou should have been around for Radford.
You should have been around here for Georgia Tech.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 03:39:23 PMThey aren't terrible. Telfort is an All Big East Player and their starting center is out with an injury similar to Zaide.
Anything to make the Badgers look better.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2024, 04:42:33 PMAnything to make the Badgers look better.
With this win over Butler, Wisconsin shows they would probably be 1-2 in the Big East
Butler, Xavier, and Seton Hall all dishonored the Big East, Herman.
Kudos to DePaul.
DFW, I know that it is a very tall order to turn around cellar dwellers, especially with the factors that you have delineated so well, but if DePaul can start to look promising (not saying they are great, OK?) Georgetown can do it.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 04:20:16 PMWent out to get some product for tonight's game and came back to see Butler lost to Wisconsin. Great result for our NET. Also great to see X and Seton Hall lose
What you get? Have some really nice Jamaican burning
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 14, 2024, 04:59:30 PMWhat you get? Have some really nice Jamaican burning
Some Girl Scout cookies
Excellent rivalry win for Mr Cooley. Helps in a small way to soothe the pain of The Hall and X not being able to close .
The reports of UConn's demise have been greatly exaggerated
Of course they were.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 09:28:47 PMOf course they were.
I'm surprised they're even still playing the season after Maui. Guess they didn't read message boards or press reports.
No official report anywhere, but in true Scoop fashion, the Xavier Board is reporting that Freemantle could again miss significant time with a knee injury.
Marquette plays at X on Saturday.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 16, 2024, 12:27:45 PMNo official report anywhere, but in true Scoop fashion, the Xavier Board is reporting that Freemantle could again miss significant time with a knee injury.
Marquette plays at X on Saturday.
Official word from Fanta that Freemantle will be out indefinitely.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1868732261329519091
That could be the career ender. Brutal injury plagued career for that kid at X.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 16, 2024, 01:33:36 PMOfficial word from Fanta that Freemantle will be out indefinitely.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1868732261329519091
Well that's why middle aged men shouldn't play college basketball.
In all seriousness, sucks for him. Hopefully he can get back this season
Quote from: DoctorV on December 16, 2024, 10:04:29 PMThat could be the career ender. Brutal injury plagued career for that kid at X.
My now XU alum daughter, Freemantle was supposed to grad with her in '23, said last night that "The injury sucks but I hope he's not planning to rehab and then petition for another year of eligibility."
St. John's battering DePaul, 63-37 with a dozen minutes left in NYC
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2024, 07:08:17 PMSt. John's battering DePaul, 63-37 with a dozen minutes left in NYC
That's the DePaul we all know and love.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2024, 07:08:17 PMSt. John's battering DePaul, 63-37 with a dozen minutes left in NYC
BE is dung
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Did a nice job defensively against DePaul 3 Point shooting.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/17/sports/st-johns-crushes-improved-depaul-for-impressive-win-in-big-east-opener/
Solid win for Nova over The Hall.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 17, 2024, 09:26:18 PMExcellent win for The Johnnies. Did a nice job defensively against DePaul 3 Point shooting.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/17/sports/st-johns-crushes-improved-depaul-for-impressive-win-in-big-east-opener/
Solid win for Nova over The Hall.
This will hurt the BE
Creighton down at half to Georgetown, BE is dung.
Is there a path for Georgetown to come back from this? The lower bowl is about 10% full. Do they have a poor alumni base in the dc area or have they just driven anyone who ever cared away the last several years? They're 8-2 and this is a top 4 conference home game they'll have all year
Win more.
Gtown up 16. Wow.
I turned this game on and first thing I saw was Epps on GT catch the ball with both feet well inside the 3-point line and without dribbling he ended up with both feet outside the 3-point line before starting a drive. Creighton looks TERRIBLE
I have no idea what to think of Creighton, but they appear to have severe problems guarding.
BE is dung
Creighton looks so bad. In the other game X playing some tough D.
1 bid BE
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 18, 2024, 07:09:37 PMBE is dung
Holloway and English were massive misses by SH and PC. Cooley was a weird settle for GTown.
The league is in a weird spot. The top is good. The middle is the bottom. The bottom is the middle...if that makes sense...idk, weird league. Just glad to be a part of the good.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 18, 2024, 07:13:00 PMHolloway and English were massive misses by SH and PC. Cooley was a weird settle for GTown.
The league is in a weird spot. The top is good. The middle is the bottom. The bottom is the middle...if that makes sense...idk, weird league. Just glad to be a part of the good.
X is giving UCONN a game without Freemantle. I think St.John's has talent but it's pretty apparent the conference is way down this year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 18, 2024, 07:21:13 PMX is giving UCONN a game without Freemantle. I think St.John's has talent but it's pretty apparent the conference is way down this year.
Excellent
Excellent win for Mr Cooley over his friend Coach McDermott.
The Big East 20 game round robin is a gauntlet that is very helpful to all. Provides opportunities for teams like Bluejays to make up for these kind of lousy nights
Bluejays will miss the NCAA tourney, and will have to make up for it next season.
Pop Isaacs injury won't be overcome
Good freaking grief. Will we start on FS2 if this goes to OT?
Wow. That's an insane call off tbe ball.
That call is absolutely absurd.
Imagine if thaf call was against UCONN?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2024, 08:04:30 PMThat call is absolutely absurd.
I'm completely dumbfounded.
WTF??
Make up call, apparently.
What the f are these refs doing?
The is absolutely fking ridiculous. It seems like the refs screwed up the other call so they made up for it on tbe other end.
Haha both calls absolutely terrible. But at least it was consistent.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 18, 2024, 07:42:55 PMExcellent win for Mr Cooley over his friend Coach McDermott.
The Big East 20 game round robin is a gauntlet that is very helpful to all. Provides opportunities for teams like Bluejays to make up for these kind of lousy nights
They're are not friends, they hate each other
Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2024, 08:08:55 PMHaha both calls absolutely terrible. But at least it was consistent.
Yes but those calls simply cannot be made. It was embarrassing and totally inexcusable.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 18, 2024, 09:04:05 PMThey're are not friends, they hate each other
They are good friends off the court and went to dinner last night, per the broadcast. Not every Big East head coach carries a grudge off the court, unless Dan Hurley is in the conversation.
So you're saying Dan Hurley is a c u next Tuesday?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 18, 2024, 11:03:08 PMThey are good friends off the court and went to dinner last night, per the broadcast. Not every Big East head coach carries a grudge off the court, unless Dan Hurley is in the conversation.
You're lost
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 18, 2024, 11:34:18 PMYou're lost
Not an unexpected answer from you yet this made me laugh out loud.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 18, 2024, 11:03:08 PMThey are good friends off the court and went to dinner last night, per the broadcast. Not every Big East head coach carries a grudge off the court, unless Dan Hurley is in the conversation.
I guessing that as the winner, Cooley treated him with the understanding that he got to choose what to order for McDermott. Crow?
Creighton is not that good, but tough beating a team that shoots 60% from 3 - hopefully the pack of mediocrity gets those out against each other and we don't run into many unexpected road traps.
Quote from: 1SE on December 19, 2024, 09:46:15 AMCreighton is not that good, but tough beating a team that shoots 60% from 3 - hopefully the pack of mediocrity gets those out against each other and we don't run into many unexpected road traps.
Creighton doesn't defend and didn't have a true identity on offense, even with Issacs. Nebraska showed the whole country how to defend Kalk. Two things have stuck out to me: Schierman was their MVP the past two seasons and Mason Miller sucks. They were putting too much hope in Žugic who may not get eligible.
Hurley loves Marquette.
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1869579594652946571?t=-_rVIyr01iYZIcobjVNR7g&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 19, 2024, 04:37:07 PMHurley loves Marquette.
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1869579594652946571?t=-_rVIyr01iYZIcobjVNR7g&s=19
Should we have just hired Hurley from UConn?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 04:44:33 PMShould we have just hired Hurley from UConn?
He can run the marketing department and handle the men's basketball scheduling.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 19, 2024, 05:04:39 PMHe can run the marketing department and handle the men's basketball scheduling.
Likely no hot dogs missed at a Hurley scrimmage.
Providence up 38-22 over St. John's late in the 1st half.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 20, 2024, 07:46:09 PMProvidence up 38-22 over St. John's late in the 1st half.
WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 20, 2024, 07:54:17 PMWTF?
St. Johns settling for mid-range jumpers.PC shooting at the rim and beyond the arc. Basketball FAFO
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 20, 2024, 08:28:30 PMSt. Johns settling for mid-range jumpers.PC shooting at the rim and beyond the arc. Basketball FAFO
But here comes their run!
Down 5.
I think Kim English hates his players. Similar to Holloway, it appears there is nothing but anger in his coaching style.
Hope Providence gets the dub
I see Bryce Hopkins isn't playing, hurt again?
Aggravated it.
Prob better for MU if Pc hangs on.
Even though I hate to see PC win in the AMP.
Zuby is Zuby.
StJ wins going 3/18 from 3 and 11/26 from the line.
Some strange stat lines early on in the BE this season
That'll hurt Marquette's net
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 20, 2024, 09:26:36 PMGreat player.
I was rooting for Prov but it's impossible not to like Zuby.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 20, 2024, 09:30:13 PMI was rooting for Prov but it's impossible not to like Zuby.
I hate him
Scooper's attacking Zuby is totally uncalled for. Seems like a really solid dude.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:16:55 AMScooper's attacking Zuby is totally uncalled for. Seems like a really solid dude.
He isn't
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:16:55 AMScooper's attacking Zuby is totally uncalled for. Seems like a really solid dude.
Rumors are he practices seal clubbing in the off season for grip strength on the tough rebounds.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2024, 10:27:19 AMRumors are he practices seal clubbing in the off season for grip strength on the tough rebounds.
He's a drone enthusiast. Do the math
UConn holds on for only a 4-point victory at Butler. Have to question how good UConn is
Marquette holds on for a 2 pt win at Xavier.
Have to question how good Marquette is
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 01:16:51 PMMarquette holds on for a 2 pt win at Xavier.
Have to question how good Marquette is
Precisely
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 01:16:51 PMMarquette holds on for a 2 pt win at Xavier.
Have to question how good Marquette is
It is a loss, didn't cover
So UConn, Marquette, and StJ all squeak out their first tough road challenge in the BE.
It's looking more and more like those 3 will be the players for the league crown.
I'm not quite sold on the Johnnies yet, they get Creighton and X on the road in their next two, so we will know more after that.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 01:16:51 PMMarquette holds on for a 2 pt win at Xavier.
Have to question how good Marquette is
That implies any goodness to begin with
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 01:16:51 PMMarquette holds on for a 2 pt win at Xavier.
Have to question how good Marquette is
Barely better than DePaul.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/20/sports/relentless-zuby-ejiofor-has-proved-himself-as-st-johns-best-player/
DePaul with an abysmal start in Evanston.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 21, 2024, 03:15:17 PMhttps://nypost.com/2024/12/20/sports/relentless-zuby-ejiofor-has-proved-himself-as-st-johns-best-player/
Trash newspaper and trash player
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2024, 10:27:19 AMRumors are he practices seal clubbing in the off season for grip strength on the tough rebounds.
Rumors? There is video
Creighton's Zugic is gonna kick Zuby's ass when their teams meet.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 21, 2024, 04:01:29 PMCreighton's Zugic is gonna kick Zuby's ass when their teams meet.
Zugic may have game. I dunno. But let's not get carried away. Zuby is a good kid and continues to improve.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 04:06:04 PMZugic may have game. I dunno. But let's not get carried away. Zuby is a good kid and continues to improve.
Zuby is evil and must be destroyed
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2024, 04:09:34 PMZuby is evil and must be destroyed
He's evil when we play them but not against the other teams.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 21, 2024, 03:54:27 PMRumors? There is video
Yeah, ever since the video surfaced, there's no question he clubs baby seals. The "rumor" - started by the SJU marketing department - is that he does it to improve his grip strength. I think he just enjoys clubbing baby seals.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 04:12:22 PMHe's evil when we play them but not against the other teams.
No he is evil, known Satan worshipper.
Creighton uses home court to their advantage versus Nova. Remains to be seen if the Bluejays can get back on track.
DePaul blew an opportunity to help the conference by losing to Northwestern
I'm not sure Shaheen is gonna last very long.
Crazy stat of the night at Newark? Take your pick:
1. Georgetown's 61-60 victory at Seton Hall snaps a 57-game losing streak when the Hoyas scored 65 or less. (@D1scourse)
2. Seton Hall had 18 offensive rebounds after halftime on 27 missed shots. Despite four players over 6-8, Georgetown had three.
3. Seton Hall's last field goal outside the paint came with 9:05 to play. Outside of layups, they finished 0 for 6 to end the game.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 22, 2024, 08:57:02 PMCrazy stat of the night at Newark? Take your pick:
1. Georgetown's 61-60 victory at Seton Hall snaps a 57-game losing streak when the Hoyas scored 65 or less. (@D1scourse)
2. Seton Hall had 18 offensive rebounds after halftime on 27 missed shots. Despite four players over 6-8, Georgetown had three.
3. Seton Hall's last field goal outside the paint came with 9:05 to play. Outside of layups, they finished 0 for 6 to end the game.
Nice road win.
Hope and change begin with the smallest of sparks.
Solid road win for Mr.Cooley. 10-2 nice optic for Big East.
Will someone please buy Cooley a tuque.
Quote from: PJDunn on December 22, 2024, 09:59:25 PMWill someone please buy Cooley a tuque.
Sorry that someone else's medical condition is bothering you. It must be a real inconvenience.
Excellent in depth article on Big East season so far
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-12-23/christmas-big-east-basketball-holiday-tune-triumphs-and-trials
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 24, 2024, 07:26:05 PMExcellent in depth article on Big East season so far
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-12-23/christmas-big-east-basketball-holiday-tune-triumphs-and-trials
Marquette got 3 sentences and not much in depth.
Excellent 30 point win for Hoyas over Coppin State , they move to 11-2. Optics matter .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2024, 01:39:50 PMExcellent 30 point win for Hoyas over Coppin State , they move to 11-2. Optics matter .
Not really.......
Quote from: MuMark on December 28, 2024, 01:50:53 PMNot really.......
They do if you're an idiot and Buffoon Cain checks the box
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2024, 02:53:28 PMThey do if you're an idiot and Buffoon Cain checks the box
It's stuff like that, that makes me lose respect for posters. Much of what you post I like, but don't dump on HC. He doesn't step on, or troll people, just posts like he's a fan of MU and BE BB.
I disagree that GT is good. HC is a Cooley fan and maybe clouds his judgement but calling him names just looks bad for you Rico.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 28, 2024, 05:08:52 PMIt's stuff like that, that makes me lose respect for posters. Much of what you post I like, but don't dump on HC. He doesn't step on, or troll people, just posts like he's a fan of MU and BE BB.
I disagree that GT is good. HC is a Cooley fan and maybe clouds his judgement but calling him names just looks bad for you Rico.
LOL what? Herman's entire gig here is being a troll.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 28, 2024, 05:15:05 PMLOL what? Herman's entire gig here is being a troll.
It's possible I'm missing it. I'm not the most experienced Scoop poster.
Excellent win for Blue Demons over Greyhounds. These non conference rimps help the Big East Cause.
Holtman doing a solid job reviving DePaul from a near death experience from Coach Stubblefield
MU fans need to keep buying Wintrust tickets to keep our home court advantage in Chicago
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 28, 2024, 05:21:52 PMIt's possible I'm missing it. I'm not the most experienced Scoop poster.
He tells some great lies. But when he's serving you drinks, he keeps them fresh
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 28, 2024, 05:08:52 PMIt's stuff like that, that makes me lose respect for posters. Much of what you post I like, but don't dump on HC. He doesn't step on, or troll people, just posts like he's a fan of MU and BE BB.
I disagree that GT is good. HC is a Cooley fan and maybe clouds his judgement but calling him names just looks bad for you Rico.
LOL ok
Excellent win for The Johnnies. Move to 11-2 with big win over Delaware.
Pitino earns sixth win in a row. Nice momentum and optics of won loss record.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/sports/st-johns-uses-balanced-attack-to-rip-delaware-for-sixth-straight-win/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 28, 2024, 08:53:34 PMExcellent win for The Johnnies. Move to 11-2 with big win over Delaware.
Pitino earns sixth win in a row. Nice momentum and optics of won loss record.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/sports/st-johns-uses-balanced-attack-to-rip-delaware-for-sixth-straight-win/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
most importantly is was "Coming to America Day" in Queens, commemorating the SJU/Marist game attended by Prince Akeem. No word if Randy Watson and Sexual Chocolate were the halftime entertainment.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 24, 2024, 07:26:05 PMExcellent in depth article on Big East season so far
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-12-23/christmas-big-east-basketball-holiday-tune-triumphs-and-trials
The author must have ADHD considering how that article was laid out.
Pitino finding ways to motivate performance
https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/sports/st-johns-deivon-smith-has-big-night-after-rick-pitinos-challenge/
The break is starting to get to me. I just went back and read some of our Big East Tournament Game Threads from the Big East Titles Season. Some absolute gems.
I need that MU/PC Game Thread to pop up on the timeline ASAP.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 29, 2024, 04:51:44 PMThe break is starting to get to me. I just went back and read some of our Big East Tournament Game Threads from the Big East Titles Season. Some absolute gems.
I need that MU/PC Game Thread to pop up on the timeline ASAP.
How many times did you belly laugh?
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2024, 05:23:28 PMHow many times did you belly laugh?
A pretty good amount actually lol. The one that got me good was HowardsWorld saying "I am erect" after MU rolled X in the Title game and PGsHeroes replying "Wanna compare?"
We needed to see success and that amount of success so soon was clearly a shock to our systems 😂
MU opened as 6.5 point favorites, dropped to 5 quickly after the open, but back up to 6.5 as of now.
Should be a fun test in a raucous environment.
Given Big East lackluster Non Conference results, winning Quad 1 road games like MU has today against The Friars is essential.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2024, 09:52:35 AMGiven Big East lackluster Non Conference results, winning Quad 1 road games like MU has today against The Friars is essential.
MU will be fine even if they lose today.
X stuffing the Hall into a locker.
Do we want St.J or Creighton?
The Hall = Complete Disaster.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2024, 03:14:43 PMDo we want St.J or Creighton?
The Hall = Complete Disaster.
St. John's. Pitino winning helps the Big East cause. Optics matter
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2024, 03:15:56 PMSt. John's. Pitino winning helps the Big East cause. Optics matter
Fair enough.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2024, 03:15:56 PMSt. John's. Pitino winning helps the Big East cause. Optics matter
This is art.
Creighton.
SHU is god-awful.
That could pretty much end Creighton's season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2024, 03:35:36 PMThat could pretty much end Creighton's season.
Mismatched roster. Not McDermott's finest job putting a team together. The Pop Isaacs injury is a killer, though I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference season long.
Does Ashworth play soccer? He looked like he'd been shot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 31, 2024, 03:35:36 PMThat could pretty much end Creighton's season.
Someone get hurt?
51 fouls in XU SH. As god intended basketball to be played.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on December 31, 2024, 03:51:13 PM51 fouls in XU SH. As god intended basketball to be played.
Announcers said this game might not end until 2025 with all the fouls.
Double T Patty D for MU/PC tonight.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 31, 2024, 03:54:06 PMAnnouncers said this game might not end until 2025 with all the fouls.
You'll see a lot of that with Seton Hall methinks the rest of year. They can't run offense worth squat, so it'll be a lot of mucking up the game. Gross basketball
Ugly SJU/CU. Neither of these teams can make a shot.
I'd say we want CU, Muggs. We want to win the conference so SJU taking losses is good. And I'd like CU to get a bit more safely inside the top 75.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2024, 04:00:03 PMYou'll see a lot of that with Seton Hall methinks the rest of year. They can't run offense worth squat, so it'll be a lot of mucking up the game. Gross basketball
I'm guessing they will be chasing the Head Coach of a Northeast school that makes a Cinderella run in the tournament this year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 31, 2024, 04:39:21 PMI'm guessing they will be chasing the Head Coach of a Northeast school that makes a Cinderella run in the tournament this year.
That's the best they'll be able to do until they decide to be a big boy college basketball school. They aren't that right now.
Can't wait for UCONN game. Is that really going to be the only big challenge this year. STJ in the Garden will be tough but what else? BE needs to step up. I'm concerned so many are bubble or lower.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 05:50:12 PMCan't wait for UCONN game. Is that really going to be the only big challenge this year. STJ in the Garden will be tough but what else? BE needs to step up. I'm concerned so many are bubble or lower.
1 game at a time. 1 game at a time.
More fun that way! But this version of MU beats anyone and I think they'd tell you they could've been even better.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 05:50:12 PMCan't wait for UCONN game. Is that really going to be the only big challenge this year. STJ in the Garden will be tough but what else? BE needs to step up. I'm concerned so many are bubble or lower.
So are we sure we're a good team yet?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 05:50:12 PMCan't wait for UCONN game. Is that really going to be the only big challenge this year. STJ in the Garden will be tough but what else? BE needs to step up. I'm concerned so many are bubble or lower.
FWE, don't worry. Just win and let the chips fall where they may and enjoy the journey
Excellent win for X . Helps MU cause for sure.
Creighton defending home court should help their cause and not hurt Johnnies
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2024, 05:52:37 PMSo are we sure we're a good team yet?
Oh, we are good!...but I'm holding off on "Great"...we only get that label when we prove it on the court.
I'm just concerned that UCONN and STJ are the only road games to prove it. Great teams in my mind are those with just a few losses and beat good teams on the road (ie their place). We got MD and X. Undermanned Providence doesn't qualify.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 05:50:12 PMCan't wait for UCONN game. Is that really going to be the only big challenge this year. STJ in the Garden will be tough but what else? BE needs to step up. I'm concerned so many are bubble or lower.
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Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 06:03:39 PMOh, we are good!...but I'm holding off on "Great"...we only get that label when we prove it on the court.
I'm just concerned that UCONN and STJ are the only road games to prove it. Great teams in my mind are those with just a few losses and beat good teams on the road (ie their place). We got MD and X. Undermanned Providence doesn't qualify.
So you'll just keep bumping it back if we keep winning the games you say will show we're great, then?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 31, 2024, 06:03:39 PMOh, we are good!...but I'm holding off on "Great"...we only get that label when we prove it on the court.
I'm just concerned that UCONN and STJ are the only road games to prove it. Great teams in my mind are those with just a few losses and beat good teams on the road (ie their place). We got MD and X. Undermanned Providence doesn't qualify.
What is MU'S record in the Big 10? The SEC?
U Conn length was impossible for DePaul to overcome. MU will need to be on its 3 point game versus Huskies
Matta moves like his back is still a problem.
Butler is hinkling down their leg. Giving up a 16-0 run to Nova at home.
Butler with an epic collapse. Nova on a 16-0 run in like the final 5 min
Butler in process of crapping the bed at home. From up 13 to down 3 with 1 minute left.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2025, 07:21:44 PMButler with an epic collapse. Nova on a 16-0 run in like the final 5 min
Up to 18-0
Hinkle Magic be damned
Butler up 13 with 6 to go and a 22-1 Villanova run seals it.
Game ending rally on the road versus Bulldogs will definitely help build Wildcats confidence.
Thud Matta
Through tonight, home team is .500 in BEast games
Thad No Matta
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 01, 2025, 08:08:27 PMThrough tonight, home team is .500 in BEast games
Thad No Matta
Your English sux aina?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2025, 08:57:58 PMYour English sux aina?
I have to buy Trulys for him when at games, weak!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 01, 2025, 08:06:05 PMThud Matta
The Butler Way worked for a long time. Think they need to wipe the slate clean and begin anew. Another program that needs to decide what they want to be in the new landscape.
Butler is fascinating to me. They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it. They have the famous gym, which isn't that great. They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND. They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about.
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2025, 07:18:07 AMButler is fascinating to me. They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it. They have the famous gym, which isn't that great. They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND. They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about.
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?
Butler had a slew of good head coaches prior to Stevens with less tournament success but plenty of wins. The challenges are immense and that is why I ask what do they want to be? It takes a lot of resources to be successful and to want to be successful.
I think Creighton will be fine post-McDermott. He inherited a stable program from Dana Altman. They want to be a successful program and will do what it takes. That fan base and alum base is more rabid than we think. They used to own Arch Madness and still travel to NYC for the BET
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2025, 07:18:07 AMLikewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?
A good friend from Omaha has told me more than once of the sense of ownership in that city of Creighton athletics. I believe it. Unlike Indianapolis, there's no NFL, MLB, NHL, or NBA in Omaha, and the power conference competition is the Cornhuskers. I think CU will be fine when Mac hangs it up, assuming the continued relevance of the Big East.
Agree that Butler is an anomaly at this level.
I think Creighton will be fine post McDermott. I doubt that Butler will regain their past level of success. They seem to be destined to be, at best. a middle -of-the-pack team. I have consistently been in favor of a collectively strong top-to-bottom BE as being best for Marquette.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2025, 07:18:07 AMButler is fascinating to me. They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it. They have the famous gym, which isn't that great. They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND. They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about.
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?
Creighton will be fine as they are Omaha's pro team. They've got a vast NIL network, a strong fan base outside of alumni, excellent facilities, and will almost always draw 15k plus.
Butler, however, you are spot on. Hinkle is really cool, but it isn't an intimidating place to play in and the practice facility is a dingy gym attacked to Hinkle. They don't have the facilities that will impress four and five star kids. Butler doesn't have much money either, budgetarily or for NIL. For years they rejected invites from the MVC because it would have required an increased financial commitment, but then the Final Four runs happened and they forgot about that when the Big East invited them. The Jordan hire hurt the program and they haven't recovered. They hired Matta to try and reestablish the foundation he built leading to Stevens but it's not working and with a new AD (with ties to MU) I can see them transitioning Matta into a fundraising role and looking outside of the family for a coach, even though the AD played for Stevens under "The Butler Way."
Looks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.
Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 03:55:53 PMLooks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.
Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.
I mean his comment on Dixon being clearly better was just a stupid take and he obviously hasn't looked at much outside scoring output
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 03:55:53 PMLooks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.
Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.
We're 3 games into the conference season. It'll work itself out.
Who cares, having the POY didn't get PC into the tourney last year, having the POY won't get Nova into the tourney this year.
Oh, man. I'm irate
(FAUXRAGE)!
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:03:58 PMWho cares, having the POY didn't get PC into the tourney last year, having the POY won't get Nova into the tourney this year.
Forgive me for wanting Marquette to have the Big East POY.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:10:51 PMForgive me for wanting Marquette to have the Big East POY.
Forgive me for preferring team success to individual awards.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:12:19 PMForgive me for preferring team success to individual awards.
Who said I prefer individual awards over team success?
Nobody. Because that would be stupid. Of course team success is more important, but it is pretty easy to have both in this case.
Kam is better and deserves the award should he continue this pace. 🤷
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:13:49 PMWho said I prefer individual awards over team success?
Nobody. Because that would be stupid. Of course team success is more important, but it is pretty easy to have both in this case.
Kam is better and deserves the award should he continue this pace. 🤷
To fixate on an 2 opinions concerning an individual award this early into the season shows how important you think it is. The other responses suggesting that nobody cares shows that nobody cares.
Nova can go but their POY banner up next to their 1st round NIT loss banner while they search for a new coach come April.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:16:50 PMTo fixate on an 2 opinions concerning an individual award this early into the season shows how important you think it is. The other responses suggesting that nobody cares shows that nobody cares.
Nova can go but their POY banner up next to their 1st round NIT loss banner while they search for a new coach come April.
Lol. Ok. Thank you for telling me what I care more about.
What I'm telling you is that I care more about team success, but it is pretty easy in this case to have both...because the team is succeeding and Kam is the best player in the league.
But thanks for your input.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:18:38 PMLol. Ok. Thank you for telling me what I care more about.
What I'm telling you is that I care more about team success, but it is pretty easy in this case to have both...because the team is succeeding and Kam is the best player in the league.
But thanks for your input.
If you care more about team success why are you posting two opinions about an individual award? You're bringing up a topic and then saying that you don't care about it. Feel free to now shift the goalposts the way you always do.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 03:55:53 PMLooks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.
Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.
Yeah, well that's what broadcasters do. They're dumb-asses with a microphone. Especially the color guy doing a game... it's sort of his job to glaze the players and be hyperbolic about the game in front of him.
Neither of them get votes for BEPOY, and we've only just began the season.
CYT
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:21:20 PMIf you care more about team success why are you posting two opinions about an individual award? You're bringing up a topic and then saying that you don't care about it. Feel free to now shift the goalposts the way you always do.
I do care about it. Just not more than team success though. How are you this incapable of comprehension? Lmao, it is honestly impressive.
Kam Jones is a player for Marquette. He was robbed of All Conference last season, he shouldn't be robbed of POY this year too. I would like to see Marquette players rewarded for their success and Kam joining Crowder, Howard, and Kolek would be both cool and good for the program.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:26:25 PMI do care about it. Just not more than team success though. How are you this incapable of comprehension? Lmao, it is honestly impressive.
Kam Jones is a player for Marquette. He was robbed of All Conference last season, he shouldn't be robbed of POY this year too. I would like to see Marquette players rewarded for their success and Kam joining Crowder, Howard, and Kolek would be both cool and good for the program.
Again, who cares? From the looks of things, its just you, per usual. I did like the goalpost shift to complain about last year though, one of your better ones.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2025, 04:28:29 PMYou should be. Hurts our NET
But what does it do for the BE cause as a whole?
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:28:16 PMAgain, who cares? From the looks of things, its just you, per usual. I did like the goalpost shift to complain about last year though, one of your better ones.
Haha what is with you and goalposts?
This has been about Kam Jones the whole time. I care about Marquette players getting individual awards because it is cool for the program.
You have a knack for putting words into my mouth just like you did here bringing up team success when it was never even mentioned.
Team success isn't voted on. Individual awards are.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 02, 2025, 04:32:52 PMBut what does it do for the BE cause as a whole?
Optics would be bad
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:33:00 PMHaha what is with you and goalposts?
This has been about Kam Jones the whole time. I care about Marquette players getting individual awards because it is cool for the program.
You have a knack for putting words into my mouth just like you did here bringing up team success when it was never even mentioned.
Team success isn't voted on. Individual awards are.
Shifting goalposts is a sign of a weak argument. You know you're wrong, so you try to twist it by bringing up another point. You took exception to two (non-voters) talking about Dixon's chances for the 2024-25 POY award. Once it was pointed out how stupid that was, you started shifting to the 2023-24 all conference team. That fact that you cannot have a discussion staying on point proves that all the points you make are incredibly weak. Were you freaking out about Kalk's chances of winning the award when he was averaging 49 ppg? If not, why do you care about Dixon now?
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 04:38:56 PMShifting goalposts is a sign of a weak argument. You know you're wrong, so you try to twist it by bringing up another point. You took exception to two (non-voters) talking about Dixon's chances for the 2024-25 POY award. Once it was pointed out how stupid that was, you started shifting to the 2023-24 all conference team. That fact that you cannot have a discussion staying on point proves that all the points you make are incredibly weak. Were you freaking out about Kalk's chances of winning the award when he was averaging 49 ppg? If not, why do you care about Dixon now?
There is nothing to be wrong about lol.
You are just so obsessed with needing to be right so your trying to create a reason that you could be.
I want Kam Jones to win BE POY so I thought I'd call out how ridiculous it is that multiple media members are sharing their opinion on someone else being the favorite. Good grief.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2025, 04:28:29 PMYou should be. Hurts our NET
But oddly, it improves our RIM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:48:25 PMThere is nothing to be wrong about lol.
You are just so obsessed with needing to be right so your trying to create a reason that you could be.
I want Kam Jones to win BE POY so I thought I'd call out how ridiculous it is that multiple media members are sharing their opinion on someone else being the favorite. Good grief.
If there's nothing to be wrong about, why shift goalposts.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 05:18:56 PMIf there's nothing to be wrong about, why shift goalposts.
There were no goalposts.
I sent a message stating that 2 media members said that Dixon was better than Kam Jones. That's all I said.
Then you attacked me right off the bat saying "why do you care about individual awards over team success."
I simply stated what I saw on Twitter and heard on TV and you...you were the one moving goalposts 😂
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 05:26:26 PMThere were no goalposts.
I sent a message stating that 2 media members said that Dixon was better than Kam Jones. That's all I said.
Then you attacked me right off the bat saying "why do you care about individual awards over team success."
I simply stated what I saw on Twitter and heard on TV and you...you were the one moving goalposts 😂
"Attacked you"? Where did I attack you? I expressed the same opinion as everyone else has since you brought up Dixon, that 2 people on twitter is a big nothing burger. You were the one that shifted goalposts from 2024-25 POY race to 2023-24 all conference team.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 05:29:26 PM"Attacked you"? Where did I attack you? I expressed the same opinion as everyone else has since you brought up Dixon, that 2 people on twitter is a big nothing burger. You were the one that shifted goalposts from 2024-25 POY race to 2023-24 all conference team.
Fwiw I don't understand what you're talking about either
Quote from: THRILLHO on January 02, 2025, 05:44:19 PMFwiw I don't understand what you're talking about either
Once it was pointed out that 2 people on twitter having an opinion different than GE03 on January 2nd was a pretty stupid thing to be brought up, he shifted goalposts to Kam was robbed of all conference last year. Probably true, but irreverent to this years POY race. He does this often, I call him out for it. Apparently that's attacking him. I just hope that the mods aren't as sensitive as him.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 05:47:30 PMOnce it was pointed out that 2 people on twitter having an opinion different than GE03 on January 2nd was a pretty stupid thing to be brought up, he shifted goalposts to Kam was robbed of all conference last year. Probably true, but irreverent to this years POY race. He does this often, I call him out for it. Apparently that's attacking him. I just hope that the mods aren't as sensitive as him.
I think you're wrong about what's happening in this conversation
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 02, 2025, 05:47:30 PMProbably true, but irreverent to this years POY race.
Irreverent is scoops middle name.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 02, 2025, 04:26:25 PMI do care about it. Just not more than team success though. How are you this incapable of comprehension? Lmao, it is honestly impressive.
Kam Jones is a player for Marquette. He was robbed of All Conference last season, he shouldn't be robbed of POY this year too. I would like to see Marquette players rewarded for their success and Kam joining Crowder, Howard, and Kolek would be both cool and good for the program.
If Kam wins Big East Player of Year it will definitely be Excellent for MU .
The issue as I see it is that Kam is in an unfair fight .
Dixon is a fifth year senior , leading the nation in scoring and shooting 50 percent from 3 and his team has a winning recors so far.
Kam is actually playing two positions. He is MU's point guard and also MU's scoring guard. Kams assist total and assist to turnover ratio , while very impressive, would be significantly higher if his teammates made more of the wide open looks he is getting them.
In order for Kam to beat Dixon, MU will need to win Big East regular season championship.That could require winning 17 Conference games. The award is voted on by Coaches. So Kam has to get 6 other than Shaka who can't vote for him.
MU Team Interest and Kam Individual Interest are in complete alignment
If it's close Kam will win it imo.
Big East aren't dummies and they will realize what Kam means to Marquettes success this season, and understand that MU is the better team.
If Marquette falls off, and Kam personally falls off statistically then Dixon could win, assuming things continue to trend well for him
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 02, 2025, 06:51:23 PMIf Kam wins Big East Player of Year it will definitely be Excellent for MU .
The issue as I see it is that Kam is in an unfair fight .
Dixon is a fifth year senior , leading the nation in scoring and shooting 50 percent from 3 and his team has a winning recors so far.
Kam is actually playing two positions. He is MU's point guard and also MU's scoring guard. Kams assist total and assist to turnover ratio , while very impressive, would be significantly higher if his teammates made more of the wide open looks he is getting them.
In order for Kam to beat Dixon, MU will need to win Big East regular season championship.That could require winning 17 Conference games. The award is voted on by Coaches. So Kam has to get 6 other than Shaka who can't vote for him.
MU Team Interest and Kam Individual Interest are in complete alignment
AI is doing better lately
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 02, 2025, 06:51:23 PMIf Kam wins Big East Player of Year it will definitely be Excellent for MU .
Source?
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Nah. Seems way more one sided to me.
Some Excellent MU analysis and preview from Creighton Fan board
https://whiteandbluereview.com/pregame-primer-creighton-plays-rare-friday-night-big-east-game-tonight-at-8-marquette/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 03, 2025, 02:19:30 PMSome MU analysis and preview from Creighton Fan board
https://whiteandbluereview.com/pregame-primer-creighton-plays-rare-friday-night-big-east-game-tonight-at-8-marquette/
Not excellent, not even looking.
It was excellent. The writer thinks far more highly of MU than many scoopers.
Does he have any insight on when Sean Jones might be ready?
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2025, 03:41:14 PMIt was excellent. The writer thinks far more highly of MU than many scoopers.
Agreed, but I did chuckle at this statistical cherry:
"Kalkbrenner is the nation's only Division I player (men's or women's) in the last 15 seasons who has had any three-game stretch with at least one made three-pointer, 10 blocks and no fouls."
Good point about Gold or Jop being able to pull kalk out of the paint. Get it done Brick.
Friday Night X at Georgetown. Mr. Cooley 11-2. Over under on attendance? Season Average 3,984.
How does 5,000 sound?
Freemantle just entered the game. Holy cow.
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2025, 07:17:07 PMFreemantle just entered the game. Holy cow.
Holy cow is right. I thought I heard he was out for the year. He was out 3 games?
4 pts in 8 mins for X? WTH?
Either Georgetown is playing really good d or X is just having one of those nights. Or both.
Looks like Mugs enacted his 5 point plan on the Xavier team lunch instead of Creightons.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2025, 07:28:04 PMLooks like Mugs enacted his 5 point plan on the Xavier team lunch instead of Creightons.
Why would I do that?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2025, 07:29:04 PMWhy would I do that?
Mistake. Short people are generally forgetful.
Musta slipped your mind we got the Blue Jays tonight
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2025, 07:32:47 PMMistake. Short people are generally forgetful.
Musta slipped your mind we got the Blue Jays tonight
Actually he needs to make bail
Cooley and Miller rocking spectacularly bad retro sweaters.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 03, 2025, 07:40:28 PMActually he needs to make bail
Damn, the lil guy needs to stop making the scoop community getting arrested all the time
Brutal collision Sorber and Conwell hope their is no comcussions.
Mr Cooley has his Mojo back. Hoyas going to be a tough road game.
So I'm watching the Nevada-New Mexico game on FS1 after the MU game. Is Rick Pitino's son actually wearing a hoodie on the sideline? I always thought it was weird when coaches wore suits, but a hoodie? Seriously?
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 03, 2025, 10:25:48 PMSo I'm watching the Nevada-New Mexico game on FS1 after the MU game. Is Rick Pitino's son actually wearing a hoodie on the sideline? I always thought it was weird when coaches wore suits, but a hoodie? Seriously?
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Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 04, 2025, 10:12:06 AMQuote from: MUEng92 on January 03, 2025, 10:25:48 PMSo I'm watching the Nevada-New Mexico game on FS1 after the MU game. Is Rick Pitino's son actually wearing a hoodie on the sideline? I always thought it was weird when coaches wore suits, but a hoodie? Seriously?
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A senator can wear a hoodie, why not a coach?
Just like a gangsta
Rocking my MU hoodie today. But it is cold as hell.
Wes Matthews and Johnny Fanta on the call for DePaul/Nova...electric!
Sidenote: It was nice to see Vander was at the game last night and welcomed by the crowd. Hadn't seen him back in a while.
Wes is still learning. He talks A LOT, dare say too much. Also pretty monotone. Of course the crowd seems like they are asleep so consistent with the atmosphere
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2025, 10:50:00 AMRocking my MU hoodie today. But it is cold as hell.
I hope it keeps your bald noggin toasty.
Me too.
Nova taking DePaul behind the woodshed wow. Honest thought though, is this what you want as a Nova fan? They are starting 5 seniors today, one of which is a stud who was a Jay Wright recruit. I'm not sure Neptune coaching himself off the hot seat is a good thing long term for them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 04, 2025, 12:32:41 PMNova taking DePaul behind the woodshed wow. Honest thought though, is this what you want as a Nova fan? They are starting 5 seniors today, one of which is a stud who was a Jay Wright recruit. I'm not sure Neptune coaching himself off the hot seat is a good thing long term for them.
UConn at Finneran on Wednesday will be interesting. Nova appears to have found their offensive footing. Defense was good today but that might be part DePaul offense. Might be a first one to 100 type game
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 04, 2025, 12:32:41 PMNova taking DePaul behind the woodshed wow. Honest thought though, is this what you want as a Nova fan? They are starting 5 seniors today, one of which is a stud who was a Jay Wright recruit. I'm not sure Neptune coaching himself off the hot seat is a good thing long term for them.
That is for Nova Scoop to decide
DePaul has rediscovered its DePaulness.
https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/1874934949314486276
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 04, 2025, 12:32:41 PMNova taking DePaul behind the woodshed wow. Honest thought though, is this what you want as a Nova fan? They are starting 5 seniors today, one of which is a stud who was a Jay Wright recruit. I'm not sure Neptune coaching himself off the hot seat is a good thing long term for them.
It's not what I want as a scooper. I'm the guy who posted some time ago that Nova might end up in the BE bottom 2 at season's end. :-[
some spectacularly bad basketball is being played between Butler and St. John's today.
I'm starting to think the BE may be a 2 bid league. Georgetown is going to be beaten back to reality against us and UConn (having the 4th worst non-conference SOS is a huge negative). St. John's currently looks like five guys playing for themselves. Unless Zugic figures things out and lives up to his billing Creighton is going to be left out. Maybe Xavier gets into a groove with Freemantle returning, but I don't see anyone else capable of getting into the conversation.
https://x.com/joearruda9/status/1875637909203906825?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on January 04, 2025, 02:34:21 PMhttps://x.com/joearruda9/status/1875637909203906825?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Crazy that Chase has sprained his ankle 2 seasons in a row and played the next game in both. Kolek too. Kam missed just 1 I believe last year with his.
Just never know with those darn ankles.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 04, 2025, 02:55:27 PMCrazy that Chase has sprained his ankle 2 seasons in a row and played the next game in both. Kolek too. Kam missed just 1 I believe last year with his.
Just never know with those darn ankles.
high ankle sprains are a bitch.
Johnnies in a dog fight with Bulldogs
Are we finally seeing the "mid-majorness" we were warned about?
We knew since the beginning of the catholic 7 that Seton Hall, St. Johns, and depaul suck.
Georgetown dropped the ball hard, providence has always been mid, marquette finally got moving 4 years ago, nova and uconn have had mad success.
But the outliers of Butler, Creighton, and Xavier... the "mid majors" who were brought on to bring our conference to 10.
Will they be able to have success over the course of 15-20 years?
Or, maybe they already have and I'm just stupid. I am pretty high, and I've had much cerveso
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 04, 2025, 02:21:21 PMIt's not what I want as a scooper. I'm the guy who posted some time ago that Nova might end up in the BE bottom 2 at season's end. :-[
Now I'm concerned about Nova and next year
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 04, 2025, 03:01:23 PMAre we finally seeing the "mid-majorness" we were warned about?
We knew since the beginning of the catholic 7 that Seton Hall, St. Johns, and depaul suck.
Georgetown dropped the ball hard, providence has always been mid, marquette finally got moving 4 years ago, nova and uconn have had mad success.
But the outliers of Butler, Creighton, and Xavier... the "mid majors" who were brought on to bring our conference to 10.
Will they be able to have success over the course of 15-20 years?
Or, maybe they already have and I'm just stupid. I am pretty high, and I've had much cerveso
Creighton has exceeded my expectations from when they joined. With their fan support, facilities, financial backing, and NIL operation they'll be fine. They are a strong department overall. Butler is the concern long term.
Big East is solidly the 4th best conference this season.........SEC in a tier of its own.....then the Big 12/big 10........gap to the big east.........then a gap to the ACC..........then everyone else.
I wouldn't worry too much.......stuff goes in cycles........and yes we will have bad teams in the conference in every season most likely.
Will the Big 10 drop Minnesota?
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2025, 04:12:22 PMWill the Big 10 drop Minnesota?
No, they won a bowl last night. Mayo for all B1G teams. I'm working on some bowls today.
Kadary played well down the stretch
https://nypost.com/2025/01/04/sports/kadary-richmond-awakens-to-rally-st-johns-to-win-over-butler/
But low key, can we drop depaul?
Look at this assbag. (second video below)
https://x.com/winchesterjerry/status/1875659182545961395?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 04, 2025, 06:49:57 PMLook at this assbag. (second video below)
https://x.com/winchesterjerry/status/1875659182545961395?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Precisely why I have zero interest in sports betting.
Pitino apologizes to Butler for Wilcher end of game behavior
https://nypost.com/2025/01/04/sports/rick-pitino-slams-st-johns-simeon-wilcher-for-late-dunk-attempt/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 04, 2025, 07:19:16 PMPitino apologizes to Butler for Wilcher end of game behavior
https://nypost.com/2025/01/04/sports/rick-pitino-slams-st-johns-simeon-wilcher-for-late-dunk-attempt/
Slick Rick sounds like he's not going to hang around much longer.
Young people today are different. I'm struggling with it. I'm not quitting. like some coaches, but I really am struggling right now with a lot of things," Pitino said. "The work ethic is great, the listening is really bothering me. I gave up drinking for New Year's, but I think I'm going to have the shortest resolution in the history of mankind and I'm going to jump right back in."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 04, 2025, 09:46:00 PMSlick Rick sounds like he's not going to hang around much longer.
Young people today are different. I'm struggling with it. I'm not quitting. like some coaches, but I really am struggling right now with a lot of things," Pitino said. "The work ethic is great, the listening is really bothering me. I gave up drinking for New Year's, but I think I'm going to have the shortest resolution in the history of mankind and I'm going to jump right back in."
Every restaurant in Manhattan is replacing the glassware on its tables with a bottle of viagra.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 04, 2025, 09:46:00 PMSlick Rick sounds like he's not going to hang around much longer.
Young people today are different. I'm struggling with it. I'm not quitting. like some coaches, but I really am struggling right now with a lot of things," Pitino said. "The work ethic is great, the listening is really bothering me. I gave up drinking for New Year's, but I think I'm going to have the shortest resolution in the history of mankind and I'm going to jump right back in."
Young people are different? Ok Rick...
Plenty of teams are in that same situation and just run the clock out. That decision along with not shaking hands is a direct reflection of his arrogance. Teams take on the identity of their coaches.
This is ridiculous:
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1875656560502055012
Seriously, screw guys like Larranaga and Pitino for these kind of takes. Larranaga spent LifeWallet money to buy a Final Four, then walks out the door bemoaning the impact of NIL on college sports? Pitino brags about how he'll never have to sit in a high school kid's living room again, how St. John's will just buy success, and he's wondering why the mercenary squad he assembled is prioritizing their own interests over the team?
The same guys complaining about the environment and culture are the ones who created it.
Is it harder to get players to "listen" who move from program to program every year chasing the money? Does culture suffer when there is no roster continuity? Just another reason to say thank God for Shaka. We reap what we sow.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 05, 2025, 07:57:52 AMIs it harder to get players to "listen" who move from program to program every year chasing the money? Does culture suffer when there is no roster continuity? Just another reason to say thank God for Shaka. We reap what we sow.
In addition to the points you made, coaches could "enter the portal" for years while players had to sit out a year. Their new schools happily bought out their contracts and they were
gone with more $ in their pockets. The contracts were one way streets.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2025, 06:09:30 AMThis is ridiculous:
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1875656560502055012
Seriously, screw guys like Larranaga and Pitino for these kind of takes. Larranaga spent LifeWallet money to buy a Final Four, then walks out the door bemoaning the impact of NIL on college sports? Pitino brags about how he'll never have to sit in a high school kid's living room again, how St. John's will just buy success, and he's wondering why the mercenary squad he assembled is prioritizing their own interests over the team?
The same guys complaining about the environment and culture are the ones who created it.
Yep. So sick of these whining multi-millionaire hypocrites.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2025, 08:17:22 AMIn addition to the points you made, coaches could "enter the portal" for years while players had to sit out a year. Their new schools happily bought out their contracts and they were gone with more $ in their pockets. The contracts were one way streets.
Yep yep yep.
And many of the same fans who shrugged their shoulders at what you describe are outraged that athletes finally have some freedom and control over their own names, images and likenesses.
I have been lurking on the sidelines on scoop for more years than I can count. I appreciate the dialogue from the sidelines for the most part. And I know this has been discussed (ad nauseam, perhaps?) elsewhere. So what is the answer? Or is there really an "answer"?
I guess we start with what is the question?
Are we in a college basketball world where players can move freely and coaches just build programs with no guarantee of their roster for next year? Even the pros have a contract.
I'm an old man by the standards of scoop (I think). Class of 83, so I have adapted to a lot of change in college hoops viewing. This one is harder to get my arms around.
Talk amongst yourselves. :)
NIL is a minimal portion of the money they receive. Just call it like it is, pay for play. "Control over their name, image and likeness" seems about as antiquated as the concept of amateurism.
Quote from: romey on January 05, 2025, 10:53:05 AMI have been lurking on the sidelines on scoop for more years than I can count. I appreciate the dialogue from the sidelines for the most part. And I know this has been discussed (ad nauseam, perhaps?) elsewhere. So what is the answer? Or is there really an "answer"?
I guess we start with what is the question?
Are we in a college basketball world where players can move freely and coaches just build programs with no guarantee of their roster for next year? Even the pros have a contract.
I'm an old man by the standards of scoop (I think). Class of 83, so I have adapted to a lot of change in college hoops viewing. This one is harder to get my arms around.
Talk amongst yourselves. :)
I'd say, expecting member institutions to work together for a solution is unlikely. I'm afraid they punt to the government looking for a solution that won't hold up long-term for a variety of reasons and this discussion will continue for a long time.
I've said this before and I'll continue to say it, this all should have been adjudicated a long time ago and the blame lays at the feet of administrators of the schools and the leagues that have chased every dollar they could get.
I understand the discomfort and dislike of the current landscape. Conferences are bloated and nonsensical. Players jumping all over the place make following more difficult and less than easy to grow any allegiance. These are the results of decades long kicking the can down the road.
Would not have predicted Providence being up 12 on the road at UConn at halftime.
Prov up 12 at Uconn at half
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Classic Big East battle in Storrs today. Excellent crowd energy for Nationally broadcast game .
Providence is playing out of their minds. Well done. And a reminder that conference games are a challenge, regardless of where and whom. Appreciate every win.
College games are 40 min for a reason. Here comes the Huskies
Indeed. They are UConn at home.
Still 9 minutes to right the ship and steady the momentum swing
But Prov looks about as rattled as they were in that first half vs us right now. Panicked on every dribble
Yeah its Uconn domination now. Not sure when Providence last scored even
UConn putting a run on Providence like MU did to Providence and Creighton.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2025, 11:00:27 AMI'd say, expecting member institutions to work together for a solution is unlikely. I'm afraid they punt to the government looking for a solution that won't hold up long-term for a variety of reasons and this discussion will continue for a long time.
I've said this before and I'll continue to say it, this all should have been adjudicated a long time ago and the blame lays at the feet of administrators of the schools and the leagues that have chased every dollar they could get.
I understand the discomfort and dislike of the current landscape. Conferences are bloated and nonsensical. Players jumping all over the place make following more difficult and less than easy to grow any allegiance. These are the results of decades long kicking the can down the road.
Thanks for the response. I love that Shaka, and a few others (Painter), are accepting the challenge.
Quote from: romey on January 05, 2025, 11:57:40 PMThanks for the response. I love that Shaka, and a few others (Painter), are accepting the challenge.
I'd argue that coaches who build in other ways also are "accepting the challenge."
The landscape is the landscape, and there is more than one way to succeed within the landscape.
For decades and decades, coaches were lords and many of them repeatedly broke rules in pursuit of glory.
Now there are few if any rules, and athletes actually have some power. I get some of the frustration among fans, especially those who only knew the old ways for so long, but I personally have no less love of college basketball today.
Quote from: romey on January 05, 2025, 11:57:40 PMThanks for the response. I love that Shaka, and a few others (Painter), are accepting the challenge.
There will be a few more old schools coaches that retire and bemoan the state of the game. That's fine, that's their right.
But like you say with your examples, others will come along and accept the challenge and find success.
Quote from: romey on January 05, 2025, 11:57:40 PMThanks for the response. I love that Shaka, and a few others (Painter), are accepting the challenge.
Presuming the inference here is that Shaka and Painter are doing things in a better and more righteous way by refusing the take transfers. There seems to be a common theme here that refusing the "play the transfer game" is not just making Shaka more successful--it's being presented as a morally superior approach than those lowlifes who *gasp*
accept transfers.
Now consider that stance in light of the hard-won rights of players to transfer with limited restrictions.
What would happen now if all coaches start to adopt the same position espoused by Shaka (and Painter) and simply stop taking transfers (except in very rare instances)?
It seems to me that if someone is going to argue that Shaka's way is better for the coaches, teams and players, then the NCAA's mistake was not "kicking the can down the road so long" but rather not holding firm to the previous restrictive rules on transfers.
In other words, if transfers are a bad thing, then then rules that made them more difficult should have been maintained for the good of the players, teams and coaches.
And if transfers are a good thing, we shouldn't single out and lionize the coaches that refuse to take them.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2025, 11:33:05 AMPresuming the inference here is that Shaka and Painter are doing things in a better and more righteous way by refusing the take transfers. There seems to be a common theme here that refusing the "play the transfer game" is not just making Shaka more successful--it's being presented as a morally superior approach than those lowlifes who *gasp* accept transfers.
Now consider that stance in light of the hard-won rights of players to transfer with limited restrictions.
What would happen now if all coaches start to adopt the same position espoused by Shaka (and Painter) and simply stop taking transfers (except in very rare instances)?
It seems to me that if someone is going to argue that Shaka's way is better for the coaches, teams and players, then the NCAA's mistake was not "kicking the can down the road so long" but rather not holding firm to the previous restrictive rules on transfers.
In other words, if transfers are a bad thing, then then rules that made them more difficult should have been maintained for the good of the players, teams and coaches.
And if transfers are a good thing, we shouldn't single out and lionize the coaches that refuse to take them.
I think you're reading way to much into things. There's no right or wrong way. There's different ways. Shaka and Painter are in the minority and have both had success. There are coaches that have relied heavily on transfers that have had success. I don't think anyone here has displayed a "more righteous" mindset because we haven't taken a transfer recently, and if there are, they shouldn't have that mindset since we've pursued transfers both of that last two off-seasons.
There is no right way or wrong way. Head coaches need to do what fits their programs. Doing it Shaka's way takes a lot of hard work and "stick-to-it every moment" frame of mind.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2025, 11:33:05 AMPresuming the inference here is that Shaka and Painter are doing things in a better and more righteous way by refusing the take transfers. There seems to be a common theme here that refusing the "play the transfer game" is not just making Shaka more successful--it's being presented as a morally superior approach than those lowlifes who *gasp* accept transfers.
Now consider that stance in light of the hard-won rights of players to transfer with limited restrictions.
What would happen now if all coaches start to adopt the same position espoused by Shaka (and Painter) and simply stop taking transfers (except in very rare instances)?
It seems to me that if someone is going to argue that Shaka's way is better for the coaches, teams and players, then the NCAA's mistake was not "kicking the can down the road so long" but rather not holding firm to the previous restrictive rules on transfers.
In other words, if transfers are a bad thing, then then rules that made them more difficult should have been maintained for the good of the players, teams and coaches.
And if transfers are a good thing, we shouldn't single out and lionize the coaches that refuse to take them.
Youre reading into things that are not present on this board.
Saying something is a challenge is not inferring that it is righteous.
Besides, Shaka HAS taken transfers. His most decorated player during his time at Marquette so far - a popular, pass-first PG who turned out to be an All-American - arrived at Marquette as a transfer. Two of the three players he put in the NBA so far were transfers. They were "different" transfers than those being brought into programs now because they predated NIL, but they were transfers.
And as many have said, Shaka has continued to look at D1 transfers every offseason. He has weighed what each might bring - and what each might cost and/or how each might affect chemistry - and so far he has opted not to sign any. But he might.
And Painter has.
13.5 point favorites against the Hoyas.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 12:57:29 PMBesides, Shaka HAS taken transfers. His most decorated player during his time at Marquette so far - a popular, pass-first PG who turned out to be an All-American - arrived at Marquette as a transfer. Two of the three players he put in the NBA so far were transfers. They were "different" transfers than those being brought into programs now because they predated NIL, but they were transfers.
And as many have said, Shaka has continued to look at D1 transfers every offseason. He has weighed what each might bring - and what each might cost and/or how each might affect chemistry - and so far he has opted not to sign any. But he might.
And Painter has.
And when/if Shaka signs a transfer, it seems that player will have received full disclosure - we have a "system" here and you should consider if it's a system you fit into. Obviously Shaka has recruits that have bought in and understand the heirarchy/meritocracy here. If you want big time NIL money, this is not necessarily the destination for you (so far anyway).
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2025, 11:33:05 AMIt seems to me that if someone is going to argue that Shaka's way is better for the coaches, teams and players, then the NCAA's mistake was not "kicking the can down the road so long" but rather not holding firm to the previous restrictive rules on transfers.
In other words, if transfers are a bad thing, then then rules that made them more difficult should have been maintained for the good of the players, teams and coaches.
And if transfers are a good thing, we shouldn't single out and lionize the coaches that refuse to take them.
Blame the courts for that, not the NCAA.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 12:57:29 PMBesides, Shaka HAS taken transfers. His most decorated player during his time at Marquette so far - a popular, pass-first PG who turned out to be an All-American - arrived at Marquette as a transfer. Two of the three players he put in the NBA so far were transfers. They were "different" transfers than those being brought into programs now because they predated NIL, but they were transfers.
And as many have said, Shaka has continued to look at D1 transfers every offseason. He has weighed what each might bring - and what each might cost and/or how each might affect chemistry - and so far he has opted not to sign any. But he might.
And Painter has.
Shaka's first year at MU was obviously a special case because without transfers he would've had trouble fielding a team, much less a competitive team.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2025, 12:43:41 PMYoure reading into things that are not present on this board.
Saying something is a challenge is not inferring that it is righteous.
It doesn't really take a lot of searching to find an example of what you say isn't present:
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on November 19, 2024, 11:22:43 PMMatt Painter speaks to Marquette's program and how guys can stick with it and get more minutes as time goes on and you're playing in front of 17,000 people, etc.
He and Shaka are both strong proponents of development and not using transfers. Another guy who is doing it the right way and has had a lot of success.
Note that the OP wasn't referencing that Shaka and Painter are doing it a "different" way or a "challenging" way. The reference to Shaka and Painter doing things the "right way" certainly implies that others are doing it the "wrong way".
Or that there's more than one "right way". Whatever way works is the "right way". Whatever way doesn't work is the "wrong way". Just because two coaches are doing it the "right way" does not mean that those that don't do it that way are doing it the "wrong way", just that they've had success. Again, I think you are trying to interpret things that aren't there. I can't speak for BL though, this is all my interpretation of posts here.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2025, 05:50:06 PMIt doesn't really take a lot of searching to find an example of what you say isn't present:
Note that the OP wasn't referencing that Shaka and Painter are doing it a "different" way or a "challenging" way. The reference to Shaka and Painter doing things the "right way" certainly implies that others are doing it the "wrong way".
Fine not present in this thread. If you had quoted that guy and said what you said, it would have made sense. But quoting a guy who said "up for the challenge" and saying that he was getting holier than thou is beyond a stretch.
Lament of The Friar Fans.... 8-)
https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/which-is-worse-pc-losing-or-cooley-winning
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 07, 2025, 08:43:07 AMLament of The Friar Fans.... 8-)
https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/which-is-worse-pc-losing-or-cooley-winning
Let's plan on giving them a little happiness tonight.
SJU-X already physical. Freemantle starting.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/06/sports/st-johns-aaron-scott-finding-ways-to-contribute-despite-struggles/
Solid first half for Johnnies.
Johnnies physical play led to win over X
https://nypost.com/2025/01/07/sports/st-johns-storms-past-xavier-despite-more-3-point-land-woes/
UConn @ Villanova today — Nova's favored by 1.5. Would be nice to see them cover and make us the last unbeaten in the BE.
Nova up 4 over UConn with 10 minutes left
DePaul up 5 in Jersey with nearly 12 minutes left
Nova TO?? Lol
Absolutely wild ending for UConn/Nova. The ball DON'T lie
Last unbeaten team remaining in the league and we don't play until Tuesday.
Quote from: K1 Lover on January 08, 2025, 07:38:45 PMAbsolutely wild ending for UConn/Nova. The ball DON'T lie
That was a terrible call.
DePaul kicking one away in Jersey
Seeing Georgetown last night and Nova tonight serves as a reminder how much more difficult the second half of MU's conference schedule is going to be compared to the first half.
Road games against UConn, St, John's, Creighton, Georgetown,and Nova, plus the home games against UConn and St. John's.
Yes, there will be conference losses. There always are. Even for UConn.
Quote from: wisblue on January 08, 2025, 07:50:30 PMSeeing Georgetown last night and Nova tonight serves as a reminder how much more difficult the second half of MU's conference schedule is going to be compared to the first half.
Road games against UConn, St, John's, Creighton, Georgetown,and Nova, plus the home games against UConn and St. John's.
Was thinking the same thing. Weird shifts of power in middle of the Big East.
Quote from: wisblue on January 08, 2025, 07:50:30 PMSeeing Georgetown last night and Nova tonight serves as a reminder how much more difficult the second half of MU's conference schedule is going to be compared to the first half.
Road games against UConn, St, John's, Creighton, Georgetown,and Nova, plus the home games against UConn and St. John's.
Not to mention that UConn & Georgetown are both missing their second-best scorers currently. They'll each be much better than they are now when we meet them again.
Edit: Just remembered Freemantle, so same goes for Xavier too.
I don't think Marquette wins 7 conference games this year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 08:19:46 PMI don't think Marquette wins 7 conference games this year
Same.
Crazy how one game went from "I don't see us losing in the next 6 games, so do we lose to UCONN and if not then who?" to canceling the season because our schedule gets harder in the second half of the season.
Almost every night will be a battle. The BE is always tough. We're everyone's best chance at a good win, one that moves the needle. We'll have to play pretty well most nights. The good news is, we have a tough team with a tough coach. We'll have a dud at some point, but we're going to win a lot of games.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2025, 08:28:46 PMSame.
Crazy how one game went from "I don't see us losing in the next 6 games, so do we lose to UCONN and if not then who?" to canceling the season because our schedule gets harder in the second half of the season.
Almost every night will be a battle. The BE is always tough. We're everyone's best chance at a good win, one that moves the needle. We'll have to play pretty well most nights. The good news is, we have a tough team with a tough coach. We'll have a dud at some point, but we're going to win a lot of games.
Maybe 6
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 08:19:46 PMI don't think Marquette wins 7 conference games this year
Ha! Agree Rico. People are chicken littles. Of course there will be losses. Of course it will be tough. Rarely does a UConn come along and thump everyone by double digits on the way to back to back national championships.
Opponents get better over the course of a season. Hopefully MU will too and most likely will. Should be fun to watch. I'm ready for some disappointment along the way. But I'm still optimistic about finishing first!
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 08, 2025, 08:30:39 PMHa! Agree Rico. People are chicken littles. Of course there will be losses. Of course it will be tough. Rarely does a UConn come along and thump everyone by double digits on the way to back to back national championships.
Opponents get better over the course of a season. Hopefully MU will too and most likely will. Should be fun to watch. I'm ready for some disappointment along the way. But I'm still optimistic about finishing first!
Amen
I'm liking the big east now. I know with every BE win there's a BE loss. BUT we're talking about a top 5 taking shape not just a top 2. MU and UCONN still the class but it's bad to just have two elite teams and a bunch of zombies that eat each other. GT,NOVA,STJ showing up. I want 5 BE in tourney.
I still think
1. we win next 5
2. go 2/3 UC,@STJ, @CR.
3. win 4 more
4. go 2/3 @GT, @UC, STJ.
=18-2 BE
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 08:19:46 PMI don't think Marquette wins 7 conference games this year
Like exactly 7? Me neither.
Yeah, there'll be losses, every night will be a battle, etc. I'll sleep just a bit better tonight with a UConn loss in the books.
I know with every BE win there's a BE loss.
I need to figure out how to make this my tagline.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 08, 2025, 09:39:06 PMI know with every BE win there's a BE loss.
I need to figure out how to make this my tagline.
Try "signature". Or even "Personal text" if you're feeling frisky.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=forumprofile
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 08:19:46 PMI don't think Marquette wins 7 conference games this year
Yeah, Unk, it's lucky for the rest of the teams on our schedule that they don't have to play Marquette.
I hear Marquette is pretty good ... but after reading Scoop, I realize that might not be true.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2025, 10:27:04 PMI hear Marquette is pretty good ... but after reading Scoop, I realize that might not be true.
It may, or may not be true. But I still put $10 on em at +10000 for a NC. There was big betting thread before last season (I didn't put $ on them last year).
What a spectacular choke job that was by Karaban!!
Brick 3 ... gets another chance and gets blocked ... gets another chance and gets blocked again but he's bailed out by a terrible call ... bricks BOTH free throws.
We might not see a bigger choke in the Big East this season.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2025, 10:39:26 PMWhat a spectacular choke job that was by Karaban!!
Brick 3 ... gets another chance and gets blocked ... gets another chance and gets blocked again but he's bailed out by a terrible call ... bricks BOTH free throws.
We might not see a bigger choke in the Big East this season.
You watching on delay tonight? It was an incredible, terrible, incredible, wtf ending no matter which side you were rooting for. The timeout with 2 seconds by Nova was mind boggling.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 10:42:27 PMYou watching on delay tonight? It was an incredible, terrible, incredible, wtf ending no matter which side you were rooting for. The timeout with 2 seconds by Nova was mind boggling.
Yes, all of that's true.
As is that UConn's star choked like a dog.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 07:46:01 PMDePaul kicking one away in Jersey
I stopped paying attention to that one when DePaul led by 18 in the second half.
Thank you to all of the Captain Obvious "there will be losses" and Chicken Little comments.
But they all miss the real point of my comment. That is that this year's Marquette conference schedule is exceptionally unbalanced between the first 10 games and the last 10 games.
If you listed the expected difficulty of the 20 conference games from 1 to 20, there are probably about 7 of the most difficult games packed into the second half of the schedule.
Posters made the connection between tougher games and possible losses.
Quote from: wisblue on January 09, 2025, 05:38:38 AMThank you to all of the Captain Obvious "there will be losses" and Chicken Little comments.
But they all miss the real point of my comment. That is that this year's Marquette conference schedule is exceptionally unbalanced between the first 10 games and the last 10 games.
If you listed the expected difficulty of the 20 conference games from 1 to 20, there are probably about 7 of the most difficult games packed into the second half of the schedule.
It's a good thing our coach and our team are tougher than some of our fans, because Scoopers get upset and/or worry about the most mundane things.
Seven of our toughest conference games will be in the second half of the BE schedule? Oh no!!
Quote from: wisblue on January 09, 2025, 05:38:38 AMThank you to all of the Captain Obvious "there will be losses" and Chicken Little comments.
But they all miss the real point of my comment. That is that this year's Marquette conference schedule is exceptionally unbalanced between the first 10 games and the last 10 games.
If you listed the expected difficulty of the 20 conference games from 1 to 20, there are probably about 7 of the most difficult games packed into the second half of the schedule.
Your posts would be more well received if they weren't always negative or "realistic". I have a habit of just reading posts without looking at the poster and trying to guess who it is. I'm about a 100% on you. Granted, it's a pretty easy game. People are remarkably consistent in their posts.
I don't like it when people who are negative are automatically accused of not being fans. Some fans just are like that. It's not right or wrong. Be a fan anyway you want. But you have kind of become the board Eeyore and you'd be a little naive not to expect push back from fans that are more positive.
But hey, you do you. It's a free country. Just expect resistance.
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2025, 12:39:34 AMYes, all of that's true.
As is that UConn's star choked like a dog.
Saw on twitter he had never missed consecutive free throws in 151 attempts. Tough time for the first. That was shocking, but appropriate, because that sure looked like a clean block leading to the free throws.
Nova's time out when they had a clear path to run out the clock could have cost them. That would have been a Chicago Bears level clock mismanagement had Karaban's last heave gone in.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 07:58:08 AMIt's a good thing our coach and our team are tougher than some of our fans, because Scoopers get upset and/or worry about the most mundane things.
Seven of our toughest conference games will be in the second half of the BE schedule? Oh no!!
And MU's opponents for those games know they have a tall challenge on their schedule for that game.
MU's growth going forward will be with its bench. There will be games where a bench player or two will take that next step.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 09, 2025, 08:30:27 AMSaw on twitter he had never missed consecutive free throws in 151 attempts. Tough time for the first. That was shocking, but appropriate, because that sure looked like a clean block leading to the free throws.
Nova's time out when they had a clear path to run out the clock could have cost them. That would have been a Chicago Bears level clock mismanagement had Karaban's last heave gone in.
anybody know who called that timeout? Was a weird choice to say the least.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 09, 2025, 08:30:27 AMSaw on twitter he had never missed consecutive free throws in 151 attempts. Tough time for the first. That was shocking, but appropriate, because that sure looked like a clean block leading to the free throws.
Nova's time out when they had a clear path to run out the clock could have cost them. That would have been a Chicago Bears level clock mismanagement had Karaban's last heave gone in.
That was one of the worst timeouts I've ever seen. It's like Wojo not knowing the score of the Butler game. Which makes sense cuz Wojo and Neptune are the exact same
Love that Villanova took down Hurley/UConn. Hope this is the year that UConn loses a lot (although not likely) Hats off to Villanova. maybe Hurley is starting to wonder why he did not take the Lakers job and hang out with LaBum.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 08, 2025, 08:45:30 PMI'm liking the big east now. I know with every BE win there's a BE loss. BUT we're talking about a top 5 taking shape not just a top 2. MU and UCONN still the class but it's bad to just have two elite teams and a bunch of zombies that eat each other. GT,NOVA,STJ showing up. I want 5 BE in tourney.
I still think
1. we win next 5
2. go 2/3 UC,@STJ, @CR.
3. win 4 more
4. go 2/3 @GT, @UC, STJ.
=18-2 BE
I hope you're right, but this seems almost certain to be setting yourself up to be disappointed. Since the new BE was formed, only 4 teams have had 2 or fewer (and none actually had fewer) losses in the BE. The first 3 were Villanova in the first 3 seasons of the NBE, when there were only 18 conference games.
On top of that, UCONN was one of the more dominant teams in recent college basketball memory, and they went 18-2 in conference last year. UCONN won the national title 2 years ago after going 13-7 in the BE. Villanova went to the Final Four in 2022 after going 16-4 in the BE. Villanova won the national title after going 14-4 in the BE in 2018. Villanova won the national title after going 16-2 in the BE.
We've already had battles at home with Butler, Creighton, and Georgetown, and needed to barely hold on on the road against Xavier. We're a very good team, but not a historically good team. We're going to take losses in the BE.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 09, 2025, 09:44:29 AMLove that Villanova took down Hurley/UConn. Hope this is the year that UConn loses a lot (although not likely) Hats off to Villanova. maybe Hurley is starting to wonder why he did not take the Lakers job and hang out with LaBum.
LeBron? The goat?
He didn't mess with happy. And Mrs. Hurley is part of happy.
My take is Hurley is waiting for a NE job to open up. Nets, 76ers etc. Then he takes the NBA job.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 09, 2025, 10:49:04 AMMy take is Hurley is waiting for a NE job to open up. Nets, 76ers etc. Then he takes the NBA job.
You could be right. He has nothing to prove anymore as a college coach
I'm really surprised Nova beat UCONN. Even without McNeeley. Sounds like Karaban gagged gargantuanally. As for a scooper or two stating MU's schedule is crazy easy early in the BEast and crazy difficult to close the year?? Good. We should want better competition heading into the NCAAA tournament.
There is absolutely 0.0 reason we shouldn't bludgeon every team in the BEast. This is not a biased opinion. We're frankly better and by a significant margin. Now, we've had a few poor performances at Home but again, good teams find ways to win with subpar games. Ross exploding vs Gtown is a very good thing Scoopers. We are more than capable of putting it all together and peaking at the right time. Kam will be fine. Here are ultimately my concerns about this team other than our overall health and a bad shooting night:
Did I miss anything? We should fear NO ONE. I repeat, NO ONE. Get back to playing medievally like we did at the Dence and attack from all positions and angles. Play with confidence, poise, precision, and ZERO MERCY. This is an excellent basketball team than has yet to play consistently, especially with open trifectas. Shaka will have us prepared vs zone moving forward. Good things happen when MU attacks.
Bludgeoning people is certainly violence.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 09, 2025, 10:49:04 AMMy take is Hurley is waiting for a NE job to open up. Nets, 76ers etc. Then he takes the NBA job.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 09, 2025, 12:00:38 PMYou could be right. He has nothing to prove anymore as a college coach
He could win without Clingan...
We barely beat Xavier, when they were missing Freemantle and we barely beat Georgetown and they were missing a key starter. I would not say we are significantly better than those two teams. However, I expect to lose no more than 4 games in Big East. The Big East is weak.
Quote from: MU90620 on January 09, 2025, 08:19:41 AMYour posts would be more well received if they weren't always negative or "realistic". I have a habit of just reading posts without looking at the poster and trying to guess who it is. I'm about a 100% on you. Granted, it's a pretty easy game. People are remarkably consistent in their posts.
I don't like it when people who are negative are automatically accused of not being fans. Some fans just are like that. It's not right or wrong. Be a fan anyway you want. But you have kind of become the board Eeyore and you'd be a little naive not to expect push back from fans that are more positive.
But hey, you do you. It's a free country. Just expect resistance.
Do you think being "realistic" is the same as being negative?
The post in question was stating what is an irrefutable fact. MU's second half conference schedule is significantly tougher than the first half.
Personally I think some realistic comments from a relatively low volume poster adds more to the board than the constant drumbeat from posters who think they are funny.
They are pretty funny. They probably will miss their sparring partners.
Quote from: bilsu on January 09, 2025, 03:42:11 PMWe barely beat Xavier, when they were missing Freemantle and we barely beat Georgetown and they were missing a key starter. I would not say we are significantly better than those two teams. However, I expect to lose no more than 4 games in Big East. The Big East is weak.
Also played significantly crapity for prolonged stretches of those games...
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 09, 2025, 03:14:10 PMThere is absolutely 0.0 reason we shouldn't bludgeon every team in the BEast. This is not a biased opinion. We're frankly better and by a significant margin.
I appreciate your optimism and predicted no more than 4 league losses, myself. But I personally wouldn't go
this far.
Although I agree we're overall better than both UConn and St. John's, those are still very problematic matchups for us since each of their strengths line up with our weaknesses. They're physically dominant down low and very heavy on rebounding. Not saying those aren't winnable games, but they're not gonna be as easy as you think, either. And the same goes for the rest of the league.
Like wadesworld said before, every night in the BE is going to be a battle.
Quote from: K1 Lover on January 09, 2025, 05:50:46 PMI appreciate your optimism and predicted no more than 4 league losses, myself. But I personally wouldn't go this far.
Although I agree we're overall better than both UConn and St. John's, those are still very problematic matchups for us since each of their strengths line up with our weaknesses. They're physically dominant down low and very heavy on rebounding. Not saying those aren't winnable games, but they're not gonna be as easy as you think, either. And the same goes for the rest of the league.
Like wadesworld said before, every night in the BE is going to be a battle.
Manatees and mammoths will be key factors
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 09, 2025, 08:37:05 PMManatees and mammoths will be key factors
Is this the new "thoughts and prayers"? "Manatees and mammoths." Has a nice ring to it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 09, 2025, 03:14:10 PMThere is absolutely 0.0 reason we shouldn't bludgeon every team in the BEast. This is not a biased opinion. We're frankly better and by a significant margin. Now, we've had a few poor performances at Home but again, good teams find ways to win with subpar games. Ross exploding vs Gtown is a very good thing Scoopers. We are more than capable of putting it all together and peaking at the right time. Kam will be fine. Here are ultimately my concerns about this team other than our overall health and a bad shooting night
It's a very biased opinion.
0.0 reason? You actually offered 2.0 possible reasons yourself: The occasional poor performance, which can happen to even the nation's #1 team (see Tennessee losing to Florida by 842 points) ... and a bad shooting night (4-31 vs an inferior NC State team - ugh).
Add that MU players and coaches are human and therefore imperfect, and that every opponent is motivated to beat us, and you have 2.0 more reasons.
And of course there are more - and those are reasons we could lose, let alone fail to bludgeon every opponent.
But, as always, love the enthusiasm, Muggs.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 09, 2025, 08:37:05 PMManatees and mammoths will be key factors
Wooleys could set some devastating screens for MU. They should be brought back.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 10, 2025, 09:03:18 PMWooleys could set some devastating screens for MU. They should be brought back.
Dangerous to bring back species
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2025, 09:39:05 PMIt's a very biased opinion.
0.0 reason? You actually offered 2.0 possible reasons yourself: The occasional poor performance, which can happen to even the nation's #1 team (see Tennessee losing to Florida by 842 points) ... and a bad shooting night (4-31 vs an inferior NC State team - ugh).
Add that MU players and coaches are human and therefore imperfect, and that every opponent is motivated to beat us, and you have 2.0 more reasons.
And of course there are more - and those are reasons we could lose, let alone fail to bludgeon every opponent.
But, as always, love the enthusiasm, Muggs.
I don't think I'm biased here. I mentioned those two points because this can happen to every team in the country. I absolutely get perfection isn't possible, but believe strongly that we have not played as consistently as we are capable. Very few teams have the spurtability, coaching, and experience of MU. I think our A game holds up very well against pretty much anyone.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 10, 2025, 09:12:18 PMDangerous to bring back species
It was god's to end wooly mammoths. Are you questioning god?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2025, 09:19:42 PMIt was god's to end wooly mammoths. Are you questioning god?
I did a lot of CPR after a lot of cardiac arrests. Contesting God's will.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2025, 09:21:46 PMI did a lot of CPR after a lot of cardiac arrests. Contesting God's will.
Sinner
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 10, 2025, 09:12:18 PMDangerous to bring back species
🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 can save the Tundra.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 10, 2025, 09:25:22 PM🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 can save the Tundra.
Wooly Mammoths were worthless space eaters
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 10, 2025, 09:25:22 PM🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 🦣 can save the Tundra.
They release too much methane gas, so no.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 10, 2025, 09:17:53 PMI don't think I'm biased here. I mentioned those two points because this can happen to every team in the country. I absolutely get perfection isn't possible, but believe strongly that we have not played as consistently as we are capable. Very few teams have the spurtability, coaching, and experience of MU. I think our A game holds up very well against pretty much anyone.
Me too. But that's not what you said earlier.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 10, 2025, 10:19:37 PMThey release too much methane gas, so no.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2025, 12:57:43 AMMe too. But that's not what you said earlier.
Context matters, but reading these back to back made me chuckle.
I don't think you are being sensitive enough to posters need to actualize their personhood and feelings through posts.
Kalkbrenner and Ashworth no longer being guarded by MU. Both having a productive first half.
Triple double alert.
But Creighton can't guard.
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2025, 11:33:14 AMKalkbrenner and Ashworth no longer being guarded by MU. Both having a productive first half.
Triple double alert.
But Creighton can't guard.
Fouls are 5-1 at half
And 3 of the Butler fouls were on purpose to close the half
Defense has been very optional
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2025, 11:46:02 AMFouls are 5-1 at half
And 3 of the Butler fouls were on purpose to close the half
Defense has been very optional
Perfect wording.
Curious what the crowd is like for GTown hosting UConn
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2025, 11:51:28 AMCurious what the crowd is like for GTown hosting UConn
They all thought it was at Uconn and accidentally went there instead
Creighton basically just does everything through Ashworth with how limited they are at guard
Near triple double at half with 14/9/7.
But even with the 7 dimes he's also taken 13 shots in 1st half and has 4 Tos
Just highlights how much its with him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2025, 11:33:14 AMKalkbrenner and Ashworth no longer being guarded by MU. Both having a productive first half.
Triple double alert.
But Creighton can't guard.
Ashworth still 0-7 on 3s!
Would've been nice if Butler would have hung tough.
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2025, 11:33:14 AMKalkbrenner and Ashworth no longer being guarded by MU. Both having a productive first half.
Triple double alert.
But Creighton can't guard.
Yet they're right there
More defense in the second half.
Agreed
I think Creighton should be doing better than han they are. The game in Omaha will be tough.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 11, 2025, 01:07:10 PMI think Creighton should be doing better than han they are. The game in Omaha will be tough.
18-2 minimum here we come!
Announcer: "Peavy is the best defender in the BE"
NOPE
Georgetown apparently not used to selling tickets to games.
https://x.com/hblethh__/status/1878169928173244845?t=frSzfRacV2ZjM2riq-toQQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 11, 2025, 02:07:04 PMGeorgetown apparently not used to selling tickets to games.
All the tickets go through the arena. Blame them.
Georgetown gets nothing out of that agreement: no concessions revenue, no parking, no merch, no box seat revenue. They get one banner in the rafters. Other than MSG, it's the highest priced arena rental in the market.
UConn has opened one up on GTown over the first 5+ minutes of the second half
Marquette vs. UConn on February 1st is going to be one hell of a matchup.
Energy in that building should be the best any Big East Arena sees all season.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 11, 2025, 02:38:54 PMMarquette vs. UConn on February 1st is going to be one hell of a matchup.
Energy in that building should be the best any Big East Arena sees all season.
I will be risking my life to go
UConn creaming Georgetown with a cherry on top. I want to believe town is good and they're game in MKE wasn't a fluke but idk
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 10, 2025, 10:19:37 PMThey release too much methane gas, so no.
Glass houses, all of us
Gtown hung tough with UConn until they eventually pulled away, which we obvious;y had trouble doing. Tough stretch of the schedule for the Hoyas
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2025, 03:02:50 PMUConn creaming Georgetown with a cherry on top. I want to believe town is good and they're game in MKE wasn't a fluke but idk
I definitely feel like they are a decent team at least, but that 1st half in Milwaukee felt like it was Marquette's fault and they kinda proved that a bit in the 2nd half. It took them getting punched in the mouth to be ready.
1st time really paying close attention to DePaul.
They look to have a much better roster than recent years. They've got some elite shooters and some good athletes playing above the rim. Somehow still 0-5 in league play.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 11, 2025, 02:38:54 PMMarquette vs. UConn on February 1st is going to be one hell of a matchup.
Energy in that building should be the best any Big East Arena sees all season.
What we've seen is that UConn does not have the killer instinct to obliterate opponents late in games this season. They shot 1 for 9 to end this game and a 24 point lead at the 7:00 mark ended at eight.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 11, 2025, 03:26:22 PM1st time really paying close attention to DePaul.
They look to have a much better roster than recent years. They've got some elite shooters and some good athletes playing above the rim. Somehow still 0-5 in league play.
And somehow, they are down by 17 on their home court early in the 2nd half as I write this. ::)
Edit: Now 22
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 11, 2025, 04:08:43 PMAnd somehow, they are down by 17 on their home court early in the 2nd half as I write this. ::)
Ya. Crazy.
They are shooting 38% from 3 as a team this season. You'd think they'd be able to keep games closer with that number.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 11, 2025, 03:53:30 PMWhat we've seen is that UConn does not have the killer instinct to obliterate opponents late in games this season. They shot 1 for 9 to end this game and a 24 point lead at the 7:00 mark ended at eight.
Why not give your team some credit for turning an embarrassing blowout into a modest loss?
My wife and I make the 3 1/2-hour trip to DC every year for the MU/GT game and stay overnight. This year we will not be casually watching the game as we have been able to for years. Your team looks very good, and in addition to home court advantage and wanting to deliver payback, they will improve as the season goes on. I wish the game was scheduled earlier in the BE conference season rather than near the end.
DePaul's gonna be on a 38-game conference losing streak when MU goes in there.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2025, 04:35:11 PMDePaul's gonna be on a 38-game conference losing streak when MU goes in there.
Don't underestimate the Sleeping Giant
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 11, 2025, 04:42:34 PMDon't underestimate the Sleeping Giant
I've seen some pretty good Marquette teams lose to some absolutely horrendous DePaul teams. So I won't. Put me in, Coach!
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2025, 04:35:11 PMDePaul's gonna be on a 38-game conference losing streak when MU goes in there.
Good Lord that's bad
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 11, 2025, 04:08:43 PMAnd somehow, they are down by 17 on their home court early in the 2nd half as I write this. ::)
Edit: Now 22
He was really hoping for a close game so he could warn us how scary DePaul is before Tuesday's game.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 11, 2025, 05:06:09 PMHe was really hoping for a close game so he could warn us how scary DePaul is before Tuesday's game.
MU by 26
Just surprised how DePaul shoots so well and still can't win.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2025, 04:35:11 PMDePaul's gonna be on a 38-game conference losing streak when MU goes in there.
When I saw this, I thought "okay, let's not very overly hyperbolic here."
Then I looked at the record. Good lord. It reminds me of when they lost 24 straight, managed to win one, then dropped another 24 straight.
Of course, the sandwich win was Marquette in Chicago. :-X
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 11, 2025, 04:42:34 PMDon't underestimate the Sleeping Giant
I've filed for the Trademark for "Holtmann just gets it done" so all you losers have to pay me soon
Good one going on between Nova and St. John's. Very physical so far.
I think I'd like for Villanova to win this one.
You can always count on Neptune to fold and lose games later on
The refs have made their choice.
Lappas just loves foul calls. There can't be enough fouls called as far as he's concerned. It's weird.
RJ Luis loves exaggerating contact
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2025, 08:07:22 PMThe refs have made their choice.
Ugh.
Though Nova also played cruddy down the stretch.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 11, 2025, 08:12:38 PMRJ Luis loves exaggerating contact
Maybe we can pay him to teach our guys how to do it convincingly. Scoopers bitching we don't make it to the line often enough, so...
St. John's plays very good defense and rebounds well but is a lousy shooting team team.
The Johnnies did a good job controlling Dixon who had just 2 rebounds, and shot 6 of 19 getting 18 points for the game.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 11, 2025, 12:41:02 PMAshworth still 0-7 on 3s!
Would've been nice if Butler would have hung tough.
The natives are restless at Butler, but Matta reportedly has a $4 million buyout and Butler cannot afford that.
They also allegedly have their highest ever rated recruiting class signed (we'll see if any ask for a release) so Matta is likely to get another year while making changes to the staff. They'll keep McCaffery around to ensure another season of Caitlin Clark sightings at Hinkle. Butler will still have trouble getting any impact transfers due to their low NIL budget.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 14, 2025, 08:55:21 AMThe natives are restless at Butler, but Matta reportedly has a $4 million buyout and Butler cannot afford that.
They also allegedly have their highest ever rated recruiting class signed (we'll see if any ask for a release) so Matta is likely to get another year while making changes to the staff. They'll keep McCaffery around to ensure another season of Caitlin Clark sightings at Hinkle. Butler will still have trouble getting any impact transfers due to their low NIL budget.
It's a decent class for them but their top 4 scorers are out of eligibility after this season. They theoretically get Jaimie Kaiser next season. Kaiser was either their best or second beat pickup last summer but they lost him to ankle surgery.
It's going to get worse before it gets better for Butler
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 14, 2025, 09:22:39 AMIt's a decent class for them but their top 4 scorers are out of eligibility after this season. They theoretically get Jaimie Kaiser next season. Kaiser was either their best or second beat pickup last summer but they lost him to ankle surgery.
It's going to get worse before it gets better for Butler
for sure. Butler's "highest rated class ever" would be considered a disappointment at most BE schools. I think Bizjack will enter the Portal again and take an offer from somewhere else, realizing he's not worth what he thought he was worth during the last cycle, which led him back to Butler.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 14, 2025, 10:23:06 AMfor sure. Butler's "highest rated class ever" would be considered a disappointment at most BE schools. I think Bizjack will enter the Portal again and take an offer from somewhere else, realizing he's not worth what he thought he was worth during the last cycle, which led him back to Butler.
Sorry, every time I hear this kid's name I think of pancake batter. ;D
Like Bisquick and Hungry Jack!
I think of Bizjack Horseman.
Quote from: MU82 on January 14, 2025, 04:15:02 PMI think of Bizjack Horseman.
I must've been living under a rock. I googled Bizjack Horseman and of course, BoJack Horseman came up. I recognized the animation, but can honestly say I never saw the show. I see it's on Netlix. Bingeworthy?
Quote from: romey on January 14, 2025, 04:30:38 PMI must've been living under a rock. I googled Bizjack Horseman and of course, BoJack Horseman came up. I recognized the animation, but can honestly say I never saw the show. I see it's on Netlix. Bingeworthy?
We liked it a lot. In addition to being surprisingly edgy, it was incredibly clever. So much going on in the background of scenes that sometimes we'd be like, "Wait, was that a cat with a chicken head walking around in the background," and we'd have to rewind it to see it again. Also, they get lots of great guest voice actors.
As for bingeworthy ... If I watch more than a couple/few episodes of just about anything, I start to get sick of it, even if it's a good show. So I wouldn't binge BoJack. But if you like to watch 5-10 episodes of something in a row ... sure. Episodes are nice and short, too.
I'm predicting an incredible game thread
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2025, 05:04:08 PMI'm predicting an incredible game thread
Will we get Willard, up/under
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 14, 2025, 05:14:37 PMWill we get Willard, up/under
Early start probably means some incredible rectal insight
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2025, 05:24:09 PMEarly start probably means some incredible rectal insight
Colonoscopy
Johnnies hang on to beat GTown, X beats Nova and Creighton up 13 on Dence
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2025, 09:12:03 PMJohnnies hang on to beat GTown, X beats Nova and Creighton up 13 on Dence
Georgetown could be down two starters vs. DePaul Friday. Sorber gets one field goal attempt after halftime vs the Redmen and Hoyas give up 19 turnovers once again.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 14, 2025, 10:23:06 AMfor sure. Butler's "highest rated class ever" would be considered a disappointment at most BE schools. I think Bizjack will enter the Portal again and take an offer from somewhere else, realizing he's not worth what he thought he was worth during the last cycle, which led him back to Butler.
Big commitment for Butler yesterday with a four star kid. They're now up to the 14th rated class and have a kid redshirting this year who reclassified. If they can keep this class (that's a big if these days though) they should be able to reverse their fortunes and climb out of the bottom of the conference.
https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/1878954481251209536
They have a Scoop inspired scholarship table.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 15, 2025, 09:21:48 AMBig commitment for Butler yesterday with a four star kid. They're now up to the 14th rated class and have a kid redshirting this year who reclassified. If they can keep this class (that's a big if these days though) they should be able to reverse their fortunes and climb out of the bottom of the conference.
Perhaps a stupid question, but can someone who understands recruiting rankings better than I explain how Recruiting Class B is ranked so much higher than Recruiting Class A?
Recruiting Class A (https://247sports.com/college/marquette/season/2025-basketball/commits/)Player 1 - 4*; 91; Nat'l Rank 83
Player 2 - 4*; 91; Nat'l Rank 89
Player 3 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 103
Player 4 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 152
Recruiting Class B (https://247sports.com/college/butler/season/2025-basketball/commits/)Player 1 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 91
Player 2 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 139
Player 3 - 3*; 89; Nat'l Rank 160
Player 4 - 4*; 90; Nat'l rank 125
I'm aware that there are a variety of ranking services and that some are more credible than others, but all of the information above and the overall class rankings are from the same site.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 15, 2025, 12:10:14 PMPerhaps a stupid question, but can someone who understands recruiting rankings better than I explain how Recruiting Class B is ranked so much higher than Recruiting Class A?
Recruiting Class A (https://247sports.com/college/marquette/season/2025-basketball/commits/)
Player 1 - 4*; 91; Nat'l Rank 83
Player 2 - 4*; 91; Nat'l Rank 89
Player 3 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 103
Player 4 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 152
Recruiting Class B (https://247sports.com/college/butler/season/2025-basketball/commits/)
Player 1 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 91
Player 2 - 4*; 90; Nat'l Rank 139
Player 3 - 3*; 89; Nat'l Rank 160
Player 4 - 4*; 90; Nat'l rank 125
I'm aware that there are a variety of ranking services and that some are more credible than others, but all of the information above and the overall class rankings are from the same site.
I think it's just a little unclear on their site. Their overall class rankings are from the Composite but the individual rankings they show are from 247. The composite rankings are significantly lower than the 247 rankings for our guys. If they showed the 247 class rankings, we would be higher than Butler.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 15, 2025, 12:30:57 PMI think it's just a little unclear on their site. Their overall class rankings are from the Composite but the individual rankings they show are from 247. The composite rankings are significantly lower than the 247 rankings for our guys. If they showed the 247 class rankings, we would be higher than Butler.
Thank you.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 15, 2025, 12:30:57 PMI think it's just a little unclear on their site. Their overall class rankings are from the Composite but the individual rankings they show are from 247. The composite rankings are significantly lower than the 247 rankings for our guys. If they showed the 247 class rankings, we would be higher than Butler.
I wondered the same too. I think your analysis is right on.
I don't know if it exists anymore but the most ridiculous ranking was Hoop Scoop. They would rank kids with a 1-10 than classes based on total points. So a class of two kids rated a 10 would be behind a class of 3 guys rated 5s and 3 guys rated a 2.
Seton Hall-Butler is surprisingly entertaining.
https://x.com/hoyatalk/status/1880418752170528936?t=wnuhwetqU1YKeKGJjby0TQ&s=19
Ok then...
Last 30 seconds of Providence/Villanova has left a lot to be desired.
That was one of the more incompetent endings all around I have ever seen.
Neptune fouling up 3 with like 11 seconds left, predictably did not work. Guy is such an idiot.
English having like 3 attempts to draw up a tying/winning play and all of them being ghastly. Also terrible coach.
The refs didn't have any idea what was going on. Players couldn't even dribble
Wild stuff
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2025, 08:19:18 PMThat was one of the more incompetent endings all around I have ever seen.
Neptune fouling up 3 with like 11 seconds left, predictably did not work. Guy is such an idiot.
English having like 3 attempts to draw up a tying/winning play and all of them being ghastly. Also terrible coach.
The refs didn't have any idea what was going on. Players couldn't even dribble
Wild stuff
I don't think players could read
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2025, 08:14:29 PMLast 30 seconds of Providence/Villanova has left a lot to be desired.
Best argument for Elam ending ever.
DePaul looking like they are trying to get that coveted first dub that Shaka was talking about against the Hoyas on the road.
Don't be surprised if they DePaul it down their leg...
In other news, I'm glad I was a voice of reason on Georgetown not being anywhere good enough to be a tournament team after they played well against Marquette.
This would be 4 consecutive for them.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 17, 2025, 08:45:35 PMDePaul looking like they are trying to get that coveted first dub that Shaka was talking about against the Hoyas on the road.
Don't be surprised if they DePaul it down their leg...
In other news, I'm glad I was a voice of reason on Georgetown not being anywhere good enough to be a tournament team after they played well against Marquette.
This would be 4 consecutive for them.
They dont have Sorber. Hes basically their team.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 17, 2025, 08:45:35 PMDePaul looking like they are trying to get that coveted first dub that Shaka was talking about against the Hoyas on the road.
Don't be surprised if they DePaul it down their leg...
In other news, I'm glad I was a voice of reason on Georgetown not being anywhere good enough to be a tournament team after they played well against Marquette.
This would be 4 consecutive for them.
Rivera has 2 points and is 0-2 from 3. That's typical.
DePaul gets its first BE win in 739 days.
The 39 game winning streak is over.
Thankfully 3 nights late
Quote from: warriorchick on January 17, 2025, 08:31:26 PMBest argument for Elam ending ever.
There is no argument for the Elam ending. Ever.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2025, 08:53:58 PMThey dont have Sorber. Hes basically their team.
It wasn't just Sorber but Jayden Epps that was out as well. Together, that's 35 percent of the team's scoring with another two reserve players (incl. Sorber's backup) already out for the season.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2025, 08:14:29 PMLast 30 seconds of Providence/Villanova has left a lot to be desired.
Terrible officiating at the end.
One review they announced the outcome as an inadvertent whistle.
They then blew the whistle with 0.2 seconds left for no reason and reviewed that with no announced reason or outcome.
Did anyone also notice the Nova player about three feet out-of-bounds when guarding the inbound?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2025, 12:19:20 AMIt wasn't just Sorber but Jayden Epps that was out as well. Together, that's 35 percent of the team's scoring with another two reserve players (incl. Sorber's backup) already out for the season.
Im on record saying I am not sure how much Epps himself matters
But yeah, his loss is compounded with Sorber being out too though.
So, do we want UConn to lose to Creighton? Is it better to have them win as much as possible (until we play them)?
In a down year for the Big East I'm just wondering what others think about the other better teams in the league.
Quote from: The Thing on January 18, 2025, 11:27:49 AMSo, do we want UConn to lose to Creighton? Is it better to have them win as much as possible (until we play them)?
In a down year for the Big East I'm just wondering what others think about the other better teams in the league.
I want a BE title. We need a Uconn home loss for that
Good first half in Creighton-UConn game. I agree that it helps MU if Creighton can hold on for the win.
Quote from: mug644 on January 18, 2025, 12:06:13 PMGood first half in Creighton-UConn game. I agree that it helps MU if Creighton can hold on for the win.
Announcers talked about Creighton's record vs. UCONN. 7-2. Including their worst defeat (19 points) in 5 years at Omaha last year.
Creighton needs to D rebound.
Going back and forth between UConn game and Auburn-Ga.
Auburn looks like the real deal. They are whomping Ga. right now.
Creighton with a 5 point lead in 2nd half. Hurley being the usual prick browbeating the refs. Never saw a call he did not whine about.
Hurley now getting the home cooking with refs as game enters the stretch drive
Ashworth launches one in from 35 feet. Man Kalkbammer has huge feet.
Neal bitching about a no call cost Creighton there. Can't do that.
Throwing lobs to overrated Kalk is a choice
Bit Creighton. The uncoordinated 5 year goof face planted and Uconn ran down court for a lay up
Creighton has imploded a bit.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2025, 12:47:50 PMThrowing lobs to overrated Kalk is a choice
Bit Creighton. The uncoordinated 5 year goof face planted and Uconn ran down court for a lay up
Help me out here PG. Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post?
Ashworth launches a 30 foot airball.
UConn in trouble now.
I would take the big, Sheldon Cooper looking doofus in a heartbeat.
Really bad foul by Diarra.
Ashworth and Kalkbammer are both 24 years old?
UConn fouling Ashworth who leads NCAA at 97% Ft is a mistake
Quote from: willie warrior on January 18, 2025, 01:02:54 PMUConn fouling Ashworth who leads NCAA at 97% Ft is a mistake
There's 20 seconds left and they're down 1. What choice do they have?
Ashworth looks like a hobbit running around with all the big guys out there
They don't even call those shooting fouls in the NBA.
That could have easily been a shooting foul. Wow.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 18, 2025, 01:03:45 PMThere's 20 seconds left and they're down 1. What choice do they have?
Yeah they literally tried not to there but they couldn't get him to give it up.
They did bump him in the half court a possession before which was really bad though with like 40 seconds left.
Please, please no OT.
Did they say Ashworth just became a dad. How old is he?
That said, Hurley is out of his mind.
Creighton looks good.
Huge win for Creighton.
Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2025, 12:56:22 PMI would take the big, Sheldon Cooper looking doofus in a heartbeat.
Double-double machine.
Creighton wins. They own UConn 8-2 last 10 meetings. Hurley got screwed on a bad call by refs.
It makes me happy when UConn loses.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2025, 01:05:35 PMYeah they literally tried not to there but they couldn't get him to give it up.
They did bump him in the half court a possession before which was really bad though with like 40 seconds left.
Yes. That was a terrible foul no doubt. And if that's what Willie was talking about, my apologies.
This guy is elite at being an A$$hole
https://x.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1880821531238175022?t=l9yZ6ZEW6_iFsw_TRpnOwA&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2025, 09:45:42 PMThis guy is elite at being an A$$hole
https://x.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1880821531238175022?t=l9yZ6ZEW6_iFsw_TRpnOwA&s=19
He's right though.
Shaheen's problem for 2025-26 is not the AD or the fan base, it's the major donors. If they send a message that they'll stop giving, he's got nothing.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2025, 09:45:42 PMThis guy is elite at being an A$$hole
https://x.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/1880821531238175022?t=l9yZ6ZEW6_iFsw_TRpnOwA&s=19
he's not being an A$$hole he's being honest. If anything it is a call out to donors at the Hall.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 18, 2025, 10:29:39 PMShaheen's problem for 2025-26 is not the AD or the fan base, it's the major donors. If they send a message that they'll stop giving, he's got nothing.
Does the Hall even have "major donors?"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2025, 10:23:17 AMDoes the Hall even have "major donors?"
They do. But they are not a wealthy institution. Diocesan in governance, with a lot of commuter students is not the profile of a wealthy school. Their endowment is only larger than Butler's and Providence's - and about the same as Xavier's.
Dixon probably deserves BE POY. Just consistent superstar nearly
Every game. Also just incredible 3 pt shooting at 46.5% on the year.
Johnny B jinx.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 20, 2025, 06:48:55 PMDixon probably deserves BE POY. Just consistent superstar nearly
Every game. Also just incredible 3 pt shooting at 46.5% on the year.
Long year. When Kam gets going again he will be right up there with Dixon with the better team and record hopefully.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2025, 07:07:57 PMJohnny B jinx.
wtf happened? Turned it off with 3 min to go figured it w as over.. yikes what a choke
Quote from: Johnny B on January 20, 2025, 07:15:10 PMwtf happened? Turned it off with 3 min to go figured it w as over.. yikes what a choke
Dixon did not play like a POY.
Ugh now Nova will be extra angry when we play them this week! But that's not a good loss for Neptune..
Quote from: Johnny B on January 20, 2025, 06:48:55 PMDixon probably deserves BE POY. Just consistent superstar nearly
Every game. Also just incredible 3 pt shooting at 46.5% on the year.
No chance.
If we had to watch Markus lose a POY to Myles Powell because Seton Hall won more...then absolutely not. They lose a lot of games because Dixon does nothing but chuck shots.
Kam produces more points and contributes more to a Top 10 team.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2025, 08:00:59 PMNo chance.
If we had to watch Markus lose a POY to Myles Powell because Seton Hall won more...then absolutely not. They lose a lot of games because Dixon does nothing but chuck shots.
Kam produces more points and contributes more to a Top 10 team.
Dixon is playing a lot better than Kam in Big East games.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 20, 2025, 08:05:15 PMDixon is playing a lot better than Kam in Big East games.
As long as Kam picks it back up and Marquette keeps winning, there should be no debate. Plenty of production left to be had in 13 games.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2025, 08:00:59 PMNo chance.
If we had to watch Markus lose a POY to Myles Powell because Seton Hall won more...then absolutely not. They lose a lot of games because Dixon does nothing but chuck shots.
Kam produces more points and contributes more to a Top 10 team.
Any evidence that the bolded was the reason?
I think Johnny B and Wadesworld are right
as of today. Dixon is better so far this season. We all hope that Kam wins BE POY, but the W/L record of Marquette or Villanova is not a factor as far as I know. If this is not the case, someone please let me know.
Death, taxes, and Neptune finding a way to fail...
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2025, 08:27:50 PMAny evidence that the bolded was the reason?
I think Johnny B and Wadesworld are right as of today. Dixon is better so far this season. We all hope that Kam wins BE POY, but the W/L record of Marquette or Villanova is not a factor as far as I know. If this is not the case, someone please let me know.
Markus had 806 points and 95 assists shooting 41% from 3.
Myles Powell had 589 points and 81 assists shooting 30% from 3.
That's pretty good evidence that more winning matters.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 20, 2025, 07:19:16 PMUgh now Nova will be extra angry when we play them this week! But that's not a good loss for Neptune..
Now I'm concerned
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2025, 08:36:52 PMMarkus had 806 points and 95 assists shooting 41% from 3.
Myles Powell had 589 points and 81 assists shooting 30% from 3.
That's pretty good evidence that more winning matters.
No, it is
not! Do you know what the factors were or not? My guess is that you
don't know. Was it strange? Hell yes! That does not mean it was because of the W/L records of the two teams. It was not a TOY (team of the year)) award, it was a POY award. Expecting scoopers to take something as factual just because you said it is Muggsy's M.O.
If someone who actually knows how the choice was made comes forth and supports your statement, then I will walk it back.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2025, 08:00:59 PMNo chance.
If we had to watch Markus lose a POY to Myles Powell because Seton Hall won more...then absolutely not. They lose a lot of games because Dixon does nothing but chuck shots.
Kam produces more points and contributes more to a Top 10 team.
Kolek lost it last year, and nobody from UConn or Creighton got it. I think the winning is less emphasized than we think
The coaches vote. It's whatever criteria they want it to be. Winning might be important to some and less so to others. Trying to pin down the exact criteria is impossible
Quote from: MU90620 on January 21, 2025, 11:06:34 AMThe coaches vote. It's whatever criteria they want it to be. Winning might be important to some and less so to others. Trying to pin down the exact criteria is impossible
Exactly! It's OK to speculate-which is what I am about to do-but I suspect defensive performance is a large part of it to coaches. Inability of opponents to take the POY out of his game may be another.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2025, 11:00:27 AMKolek lost it last year, and nobody from UConn or Creighton got it. I think the winning is less emphasized than we think
Kolek didn't play the last 7 games of the season. He was never going to win it that way. He would have walked into that award had he not missed 30-35% of the Conference season.
GE03: It's BS that Markus was a clearly better player than Powell but Powell won BEPOY because his team was better.
Also GE03: I don't care that Dixon has been clearly the better basketball player this year, if we keep winning Kam should win BEPOY.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2025, 03:55:13 PMGE03: It's BS that Markus was a clearly better player than Powell but Powell won BEPOY because his team was better.
Also GE03: I don't care that Dixon has been clearly the better basketball player this year, if we keep winning Kam should win BEPOY.
I'm just pointing out how they've voted in the past...and if they change it up now, yes it is BS.
Where you are wrong is the last part. Kam produces more points than Dixon. I don't think Dixon has been a clearly better player. Kam has more of an impact on the game and impact towards winning.
https://x.com/BanteredB_/status/1881869457712406555?t=TIX_iOW1FtQK2Slfm8qMPQ&s=19
He isn't wrong.
UConn and Butler tied at 68, under a minute left
Tied with Butler at home with 57 seconds left
Sure looked off UCONN from the side angle.
Jesus NMD might not even be a top 25 match up
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2025, 08:03:26 PMUConn and Butler tied at 68, under a minute left
UConn suxs
Quote from: Johnny B on January 21, 2025, 08:14:41 PMJesus NMD might not even be a top 25 match up
Jesus NMD is a helluva rapper, even if he's too woke.
Marquette and StJ are 7-1, b2b National Champ UConn is 6-2.
None of the teams have played each other yet.
Marquette hosts UConn on 2/1 for NMD. MU at StJ 2/4. StJ at UConn 2/7.
Then this repeats to end the season.
Kudos to the BE, you nailed the scheduling here.
PS, Marquette has UConn, @StJ, @Creighton in 1 week from 2/1-2/8
GiddyUp!
But first, beats Villanova and Butler
Quote from: DoctorV on January 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMMarquette and StJ are 7-1, b2b National Champ UConn is 6-2.
None of the teams have played each other yet.
Marquette hosts UConn on 2/1 for NMD. MU at StJ 2/4. StJ at UConn 2/7.
Then this repeats to end the season.
Kudos to the BE, you nailed the scheduling here.
PS, Marquette has UConn, @StJ, @Creighton in 1 week from 2/1-2/8
GiddyUp!
But first, beats Villanova and Butler
Creighton has as good a chance as any to win the league. They only have 2 league losses.
They play Marquette, UConn, and St. Johns one more time each...if you group those 4 teams Marquette, UConn and St. Johns have 5 remaining (each) against the grouping.
DePaul with 3 starters combining for 1 pt. Oooofffff
Quote from: 1SE on January 22, 2025, 03:47:58 AMDePaul with 3 starters combining for 1 pt. Oooofffff
Sleeping Giant
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 21, 2025, 10:53:49 PMCreighton has as good a chance as any to win the league.
No they don't.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2025, 09:48:52 AMNo they don't.
Yes they do. They've already beat St. Johns and UConn. They have both Marquette and UConn at home yet to play. Only back 1 game in the standings.
T Rank has them losing just 3 more games the rest of the way which would put them at 15-5 in the league.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2025, 07:55:13 PMHe isn't wrong.
Did anybody catch Hurley's explanation of this? The guy is a psychopath. He talked about how he wishes the cameras were looking at the other coach more and that he's not the victim but then goes on to explain how he's the victim.
Really bad look on his part and he is getting absolutely blasted on social media.
Hurley doesn't care.
And I think he's great.
Pretty big loss for SJU. Xavier with a huge opportunity to back up their win against Marquette and get back into the Tournament mix.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1882053698798641447?t=V3EbBuq2TudULDa8qncVTg&s=19
Quote from: The Sultan on January 22, 2025, 11:06:40 AMHurley doesn't care.
And I think he's great.
I like that he's in the Big East but come on. The refs need to throw some technicals his way. He should not be allowed to do what he does every single game.
Quote from: The Thing on January 22, 2025, 10:53:22 AMDid anybody catch Hurley's explanation of this? The guy is a psychopath. He talked about how he wishes the cameras were looking at the other coach more and that he's not the victim but then goes on to explain how he's the victim.
Really bad look on his part and he is getting absolutely blasted on social media.
I didn't even find his response surprising or controversial. Just typical Danny. Don't get the back lash
Danny loves and respects the game. Loves and respects the Big East. Goes out of his way to praise Shaka for how Shaka does things. Back to back national champ. I have nothing but respect and gratitude for him.
When he gets wound up, it is easy to want to punch him. Hard.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 11:10:04 AMPretty big loss for SJU. Xavier with a huge opportunity to back up their win against Marquette and get back into the Tournament mix.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1882053698798641447?t=V3EbBuq2TudULDa8qncVTg&s=19
He's been out for a few games now. He got injured during the Nova win.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2025, 11:40:13 AMHe's been out for a few games now. He got injured during the Nova win.
He played their last game against Seton Hall. St. Johns fans seem pretty upset that they had him play.
Danny just invokes his version of Patrick Roy's retort to Jeremy Roenick:
"I can't really hear what Jeremy says because I got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears."
Xavier up 5 at the under 4 first half TV timeout and going to the line
Xavier up ten at half at St. John's.
St. John's scoop calling Marquette the class of the league. Sad!
X up 14 with 15 min to play. Glad we don't have to play them again.
Oh. Maybe Xavier doesn't suck.
Oh. Maybe I spoke too soon.
SJU gets every call at MSG. Accept that when MU plays there.
Rugby match going on at MSG.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 07:30:13 PMSJU gets every call at MSG. Accept that when MU plays there.
Came here to post this. Wow
As opposed to Willie, I have watched SJU this season. This isn't the first time I have seen this.
X is gagging this away, TS. Poor TO use by Gleason.
A little concerned about how MU will handle the Johnnies' press, especially if they're allowed to maul us like this.
Complete implosion by Xavier with some help from the refs.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 22, 2025, 07:54:04 PMComplete implosion by Xavier with some help from the refs.
They let us do the same...we just waited too long.
Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2025, 07:53:25 PMA little concerned about how MU will handle the Johnnies' press, especially if they're allowed to mail us like this.
Well, if they use the proper postage.
Swain going down did not look good. I hope he is OK.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 08:05:42 PMSwain going down did not look good. I hope he is OK.
They didn't really show anything. Looked like he was holding his ankle, but the announcers said knee.
That was weird.
Oh Xavier.
The ending of that game really represents the nation as a whole
Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2025, 07:53:25 PMA little concerned about how MU will handle the Johnnies' press, especially if they're allowed to maul us like this.
I'm a lot concerned. Their defense was brutal.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 08:00:55 PMWell, if they use the proper postage.
Nah. They're gonna go postal on us. Unless we provide a sacrificial lamb. I nominate Muggsy. Anyone want to second the motion?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 08:07:55 PMThey didn't really show anything. Looked like he was holding his ankle, but the announcers said knee.
That was weird.
Swain has an ankle sprain. He was in the handshake line at the end of the game. X-rays were negative but he could miss some time.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2025, 10:47:02 AMYes they do. They've already beat St. Johns and UConn. They have both Marquette and UConn at home yet to play. Only back 1 game in the standings.
T Rank has them losing just 3 more games the rest of the way which would put them at 15-5 in the league.
T Rank having them losing 3 more games, doesn't mean that they are going to lose just 3 more games.
Too bad Xavier didn't hold on for that win. Would have been a big help for our winning the conference.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 23, 2025, 05:42:25 AMT Rank having them losing 3 more games, doesn't mean that they are going to lose just 3 more games.
That's kind of implied in saying "which would put them at 15-5 in the league."
They absolutely have as good a chance as any to win the league. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but they control their own destiny and have an easier road ahead than MU, UConn, and St. John's.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 07:30:13 PMSJU gets every call at MSG. Accept that when MU plays there.
That game never gets to OT without the horrendous officiating. Aside from all the hacking they let go, there were at least 4 blatant mis-calls on out of bounds plays, two of which overruled the original call (not on replay), a couple which led to buckets by St. John's. Smart approach by St. John's to beat the hell out of them and see what they could get away with, but that was a brutal showing by the refs.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 23, 2025, 07:24:36 AMThat game never gets to OT without the horrendous officiating. Aside from all the hacking they let go, there were at least 4 blatant mis-calls on out of bounds plays, two of which overruled the original call (not on replay), a couple which led to buckets by St. John's. Smart approach by St. John's to beat the hell out of them and see what they could get away with, but that was a brutal showing by the refs.
Brian O'Connell missed a few of those out of bounds plays.
He and Tim Clougherty did that game and the MU game the night before.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 23, 2025, 08:10:45 AMBrian O'Connell missed a few of those out of bounds plays.
He and Tim Clougherty did that game and the MU game the night before.
Two guys that need to hang it up. Terrible officials.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 23, 2025, 07:24:36 AMThat game never gets to OT without the horrendous officiating. Aside from all the hacking they let go, there were at least 4 blatant mis-calls on out of bounds plays, two of which overruled the original call (not on replay), a couple which led to buckets by St. John's. Smart approach by St. John's to beat the hell out of them and see what they could get away with, but that was a brutal showing by the refs.
Marquette and St. John's are a lot a like in how they approach the game defensively. As far as offensively...Marquette utilizes the perimeter while SJU uses that same bully mindset down low.
SJU was 1-12 from 3 while Xavier was 8-20 and still lost. Can't imagine there have been too many teams that have won shooting under 10% from 3 when their opponent shoots 40%.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 23, 2025, 08:10:45 AMBrian O'Connell missed a few of those out of bounds plays.
He and Tim Clougherty did that game and the MU game the night before.
Normally think O'Connell is pretty good. Can get a little swayed by the crowd, but so can most refs. That said, this games was rough.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 23, 2025, 07:24:36 AMThat game never gets to OT without the horrendous officiating. Aside from all the hacking they let go, there were at least 4 blatant mis-calls on out of bounds plays, two of which overruled the original call (not on replay), a couple which led to buckets by St. John's. Smart approach by St. John's to beat the hell out of them and see what they could get away with, but that was a brutal showing by the refs.
There's no question Xavier had nothing to do with its own demise after jumping out to a 16 point second half lead. Those damn officials love St. John's basketball and the Kansas City Chiefs. What can you do?
Quote from: bradforster on January 23, 2025, 11:16:30 AMThere's no question Xavier had nothing to do with its own demise after jumping out to a 16 point second half lead. Those damn officials love St. John's basketball and the Kansas City Chiefs. What can you do?
Swain going out did them no favors. Neither did making poor decisions with the ball.
Quote from: bradforster on January 23, 2025, 11:16:30 AMThere's no question Xavier had nothing to do with its own demise after jumping out to a 16 point second half lead. Those damn officials love St. John's basketball and the Kansas City Chiefs. What can you do?
No team should ever blow a 16 point lead and expect to win. Every team that has ever had a 16 point lead at some point should never lose....
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2025, 11:22:44 AMSwain going out did them no favors. Neither did making poor decisions with the ball.
I actually thought that was the difference. Swain is really good. I can see why Shaka recruited him.
Quote from: bradforster on January 23, 2025, 11:16:30 AMThere's no question Xavier had nothing to do with its own demise after jumping out to a 16 point second half lead. Those damn officials love St. John's basketball and the Kansas City Chiefs. What can you do?
Never said X had nothing to do with it. Of course they could have overcome the calls, but the fact remains, numerous blatant incorrect calls had a significant impact more than a call or two in a typical game.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 23, 2025, 06:46:18 AMThat's kind of implied in saying "which would put them at 15-5 in the league."
They absolutely have as good a chance as any to win the league. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but they control their own destiny and have an easier road ahead than MU, UConn, and St. John's.
No they don't. Current odds according to Torvik:
St. John's 50.5%
Marquette 45.8%
CREIGHTON 21.5%
F 'em?
Quote from: MUDPT on January 23, 2025, 03:12:53 PMNo they don't. Current odds according to Torvik:
St. John's 50.5%
Marquette 45.8%
CREIGHTON 21.5%
Exactly. Just because a team "controls their own destiny" doesn't mean they have "just as good of a chance" as any of the other teams. Before BE play began, DePaul and Seton Hall did not have just as good of a chance to win the BE as Marquette or UCONN did.
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2025, 03:14:36 PMF 'em?
Kolek 'em sounds much more Marquetteian. Besides, I'm pretty sure I was the first to use "Kolek 'em" on scoop. I haven't contributed anything else since then. Come to think of it, probably nothing before that either.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 23, 2025, 05:41:00 PMKolek 'em sounds much more Marquetteian. Besides, I'm pretty sure I was the first to use "Kolek 'em" on scoop. I haven't contributed anything else since then. Come to think of it, probably nothing before that either.
Means you're a good contributor
Georgetown vs. Providence is entertaining.
How is Georgetown not beating this team?
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 12:54:58 PMGeorgetown vs. Providence is entertaining.
As entertaining as a game thread, I'd say
Watching Sorber today makes me appreciate MU holding him to 11 even more.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2025, 01:12:38 PMHow is Georgetown not beating this team?
Because Georgetown isn't very good and are on the road. UCONN barely beat Providence at home. Same with Providence.
Unbeatable Creighton in a scrap with the team my 5-year-old grandson calls Steven Hall.
Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2025, 01:23:37 PMUnbeatable Creighton in a scrap with the team my 5-year-old grandson calls Steven Hall.
I can't really figure out Creighton. At times they look really solid but other times they are a train wreck. Eliminating Ashworth seems to be a good plan against them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2025, 01:27:42 PMI can't really figure out Creighton. At times they look really solid but other times they are a train wreck. Eliminating Ashworth seems to be a good plan against them.
They're the class of the Big East
I know why ... but it still seems wild to see Xavier at a 1.5-point favorite over UConn.
Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2025, 01:35:55 PMI know why ... but it still seems wild to see Xavier at a 1.5-point favorite over UConn.
UCONN is pretty meh without McNeeley. And even with him I feel strongly we should be able to introduce them to darkness.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2025, 01:27:42 PMI can't really figure out Creighton. At times they look really solid but other times they are a train wreck. Eliminating Ashworth seems to be a good plan against them.
That is what MU'S plan was.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2025, 01:12:38 PMHow is Georgetown not beating this team?
No bench. They combined for 0-0 shooting.
Big game for X tonight.
At home v UConn, one of their last opportunities to get a resume win.
After tonight they have 9 of their last 10 games outside the top 4 in conference- at home v Creighton being the only exception.
Win those two and stack up conference wins, many in blowout fashion to bump the metrics, and they may have a chance to dance
Quote from: DoctorV on January 25, 2025, 05:28:10 PMBig game for X tonight.
At home v UConn, one of their last opportunities to get a resume win.
After tonight they have 9 of their last 10 games outside the top 4 in conference- at home v Creighton being the only exception.
Win those two and stack up conference wins, many in blowout fashion to bump the metrics, and they may have a chance to dance
Dr.V,
MU has yet to kick it into overdrive. Hopefully we put it all together by the tournament. Our ceiling is without question the highest of BEast teams. This is clear as crystal to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2025, 06:08:14 PMDr.V,
MU has yet to kick it into overdrive. Hopefully we put it all together by the tournament. Our ceiling is without question the highest of BEast teams. This is clear as crystal to me.
Muggsy-
There are two things that make me want to agree with you on the ceiling
1- the defense. When all the parts are available and playing to their capabilities, its elite. It'll be easier to win elimination games than years past because of the suffocating defense imo.
2- the shooting. This one might seem strange, but I sense a bit of a reversion to the mean coming late in the season. I feel like Kam and Joplin especially are due to shoot better from the outside in big games down the stretch. Additionally, I'm confident in Chase, Stevie, Benny, Parham, Zaide, and Damarius shooting the 3.
The team has been pretty bad at it so far, but I have a strong suspicion they will finish strong.
Yesterday they seemed much more confident and aggressive driving, partly because Nova stinks defensively, but as that continues it will open things up from the outside.
As far as the ceiling being the highest for all BE teams, I'll say 2nd highest to UConn until Hurley proves me wrong in March
Quote from: DoctorV on January 25, 2025, 07:18:31 PMMuggsy-
There are two things that make me want to agree with you on the ceiling
1- the defense. When all the parts are available and playing to their capabilities, its elite. It'll be easier to win elimination games than years past because of the suffocating defense imo.
2- the shooting. This one might seem strange, but I sense a bit of a reversion to the mean coming late in the season. I feel like Kam and Joplin especially are due to shoot better from the outside in big games down the stretch. Additionally, I'm confident in Chase, Stevie, Benny, Parham, Zaide, and Damarius shooting the 3.
The team has been pretty bad at it so far, but I have a strong suspicion they will finish strong.
Yesterday they seemed much more confident and aggressive driving, partly because Nova stinks defensively, but as that continues it will open things up from the outside.
As far as the ceiling being the highest for all BE teams, I'll say 2nd highest to UConn until Hurley proves me wrong in March
Well said. I agree with your entire post minus Hurley/UCONN. I actually think St.John's athleticism could pose some probs.
If Freemantle could make a shot X would be up 15-20. Has bricked everything outside of 2 feet.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2025, 08:37:59 PMIf Freemantle could make a shot X would be up 15-20. Has bricked everything outside of 2 feet.
He didn't eat his manatee protein before the game
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 08:41:56 PMHe didn't eat his manatee protein before the game
Leave our tremendous vegetarian marine mammals out of this.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 08:41:56 PMHe didn't eat his manatee protein before the game
Does that stuff work? My whey powder ain't doin the trick anymore
X continues to beat themselves. Make a free throw.
Freemantle has sucked this game. He's absolutely killing X. Sit him.
Beyond belief meltdown from XU.
I appreciate the reverse jinx, Muggsy
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 25, 2025, 08:45:26 PMDoes that stuff work? My whey powder ain't doin the trick anymore
It does, one of the greatest foods ever. Fried in coconut oil is tremendous!
And I coulda sworn UConn was "putting distance" between them and the rest of the field with their transfers in the offseason. Those 3 points Tarris Reed scored were all the difference.
UConn making it tough on themselves to stay in the Title race.
2 games behind MU and SJU with 5 games remaining against MU/SJU/CU.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 25, 2025, 09:28:03 PMAnd I coulda sworn UConn was "putting distance" between them and the rest of the field with their transfers in the offseason. Those 3 points Tarris Reed scored were all the difference.
Shaka needs to hit the portal
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 09:27:13 PMIt does, one of the greatest foods ever. Fried in coconut oil is tremendous!
Stop attacking our
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 09:27:13 PMIt does, one of the greatest foods ever. Fried in coconut oil is tremendous!
You have attacked the manatee population and it shows your poor character and heart.
You guys have me to thank for the UConn loss. I made my first ever online bet. I took UConn and the point and a half.
That win for Xavier tonight was only a Q2 win...who would've thought that playing UConn at home isn't a Q1 game.
They are probably about 15 spots in the NET away from being Q1 at home.
With that being said...Xavier is still 1-7 against Q1 and probably still a bit of a ways out of the tournament yet. Not many major opportunities left for them in the Big East and they can't afford to drop any more that they "should" win.
X is really playing well right now. Going 2-1 vs MU, STJ & UCONN is very impressive. Too bad they let St John's off the hook.
Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2025, 01:23:37 PMUnbeatable Creighton in a scrap with the team my 5-year-old grandson calls Steven Hall.
Creighton had a first half like MU has had in most of its conference home games (until Friday).
They may not be unbeatable, but their more favorable remaining schedule makes them a real threat to win the conference.
The next two weeks are going to tell us a lot about the conference race.
MU: @ Butler, UConn, @SJU, @Creighton.
SJU:@ GU, Prov, MU,
@uconnsox CU: XU, @Vill, @Prov, MU
UConn: DP,
@MU, SJU
MU has 3 of the next 4 on the road and plays each of the other 3 contenders, and there are several other pivotal games.
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2025, 06:59:41 AMCreighton had a first half like MU has had in most of its conference home games (until Friday).
They may not be unbeatable, but their more favorable remaining schedule makes them a real threat to win the conference.
The next two weeks are going to tell us a lot about the conference race.
MU: @ Butler, UConn, @SJU, @Creighton.
SJU:@ GU, Prov, MU, @uconnsox
CU: XU, @Vill, @Prov, MU
UConn: DP, @MU, SJU
MU has 3 of the next 4 on the road and plays each of the other 3 contenders, and there are several other pivotal games.
I don't see a path to a Big East title. I'm not even sure we have enough quality wins to get a protected seed. Almost certainly hoping for an 8-9 game and that's only if we fix the offense and defense
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2025, 06:59:41 AMCreighton had a first half like MU has had in most of its conference home games (until Friday).
They may not be unbeatable, but their more favorable remaining schedule makes them a real threat to win the conference.
The next two weeks are going to tell us a lot about the conference race.
MU: @ Butler, UConn, @SJU, @Creighton.
SJU:@ GU, Prov, MU, @uconnsox
CU: XU, @Vill, @Prov, MU
UConn: DP, @MU, SJU
MU has 3 of the next 4 on the road and plays each of the other 3 contenders, and there are several other pivotal games.
Agree with all of that.
It's not easy to win a Big East title.
Not sure any Scooper has said, or even suggested, otherwise.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2025, 09:24:07 AMAgree with all of that.
It's not easy to win a Big East title.
Not sure any Scooper has said, or even suggested, otherwise.
I just hope Marquette doesn't lose at Georgetown by 24 like Creighton did
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2025, 09:14:20 AMI don't see a path to a Big East title. I'm not even sure we have enough quality wins to get a protected seed. Almost certainly hoping for an 8-9 game and that's only if we fix the offense and defense
I would be fine with NIT bid
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 26, 2025, 09:49:57 AMI would be fine with NIT bid
I really enjoy playing in Wednesday games at the BET.
Quote from: Badgerhater on January 26, 2025, 10:51:37 AMI really enjoy playing in Wednesday games at the BET.
Especially the morning game with the crowd about 1/4 full. You get to hear the coaches coach and the players yelling at one another. Like God intended.
Nm
Quote from: The Sultan on January 26, 2025, 10:55:02 AMEspecially the morning game with the crowd about 1/4 full. You get to hear the coaches coach and the players yelling at one another. Like God intended.
There has not been a morning game since 2013. The Wednesday games at at 4, 6:30, and 9.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 26, 2025, 08:03:16 PMThere has not been a morning game since 2013. The Wednesday games at at 4, 6:30, and 9.
I will trust you on this one. As a Georgetown fan, you likely have a photographic memory of the opening round schedule.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 09:27:13 PMIt does, one of the greatest foods ever. Fried in coconut oil is tremendous!
Sounds like could make a nice manatee poke bowl with that.
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2025/01/26/providence-friars-basketball-star-bryce-hopkins-out-for-the-rest-of-season-ncaa-big-east/77958969007/
Hopkins officially shut down for the season. Reinforces the idea that Sean made the right call. Article hints that he'll be back next year, although I thought he was out of eligibility, 1 year at Kentucky, 3 at Providence. Will this year not count?
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 27, 2025, 12:00:02 PMhttps://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2025/01/26/providence-friars-basketball-star-bryce-hopkins-out-for-the-rest-of-season-ncaa-big-east/77958969007/
Hopkins officially shut down for the season. Reinforces the idea that Sean made the right call. Article hints that he'll be back next year, although I thought he was out of eligibility, 1 year at Kentucky, 3 at Providence. Will this year not count?
This year won't count.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 25, 2025, 09:28:03 PMAnd I coulda sworn UConn was "putting distance" between them and the rest of the field with their transfers in the offseason. Those 3 points Tarris Reed scored were all the difference.
Yeah. just checked: Reed averaging 9.4ppg, 7 rpg, and 1.7 blocks pg on 19 minutes per game. Stats even better than Ben. So go ahead and cherry pick one game to make some half assed point
Quote from: willie warrior on January 27, 2025, 06:43:46 PMYeah. just checked: Reed averaging 9.4ppg, 7 rpg, and 1.7 blocks pg on 19 minutes per game. Stats even better than Ben. So go ahead and cherry pick one game to make some half assed point
Yup. UConn is running away with the conference
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 27, 2025, 12:00:02 PMhttps://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2025/01/26/providence-friars-basketball-star-bryce-hopkins-out-for-the-rest-of-season-ncaa-big-east/77958969007/
Hopkins officially shut down for the season. Reinforces the idea that Sean made the right call. Article hints that he'll be back next year, although I thought he was out of eligibility, 1 year at Kentucky, 3 at Providence. Will this year not count?
Redshirt plus coved season. Quite simple.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2025, 06:56:06 PMYup. UConn is running away with the conference
Don't forget patties too.
Quote from: wisblue on January 26, 2025, 06:59:41 AMCreighton had a first half like MU has had in most of its conference home games (until Friday).
They may not be unbeatable, but their more favorable remaining schedule makes them a real threat to win the conference.
The next two weeks are going to tell us a lot about the conference race.
MU: @ Butler, UConn, @SJU, @Creighton.
SJU:@ GU, Prov, MU, @uconnsox
CU: XU, @Vill, @Prov, MU
UConn: DP, @MU, SJU
MU has 3 of the next 4 on the road and plays each of the other 3 contenders, and there are several other pivotal games.
I reduce MUs prospects down to just these 3. UC, @STJ, @CR.
I've said we go 2/3, BE title and 2 seed.
But if we win all 3 then I'm thinking 1 seed.
But if they lose all three were just back to being that better-than-average Marquette. I can't accept that.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 07:40:55 AMI reduce MUs prospects down to just these 3. UC, @STJ, @CR.
I've said we go 2/3, BE title and 2 seed.
But if we win all 3 then I'm thinking 1 seed.
But if they lose all three were just back to being that better-than-average Marquette. I can't accept that.
This is silly.
It makes it seem like you usually think in the extremes.
If winning all 3 makes you think 1 seed, which is a top 4 team in America, losing all 3 shouldn't be "better-than-average."
As much as losing all 3 would stink, and hopefully won't happen, Marquette would still be positioned for a protected seed if they right the ship.
Protected seeds are very good, not just better than average.
What would they be if they won 1/3?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 07:40:55 AMI reduce MUs prospects down to just these 3. UC, @STJ, @CR.
I've said we go 2/3, BE title and 2 seed.
But if we win all 3 then I'm thinking 1 seed.
There are other teams that play games too.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 07:40:55 AMBut if they lose all three were just back to being that better-than-average Marquette. I can't accept that.
If it happens, how will you manifest "I can't accept that"? Will you choose another team to root for? Will you stop donating to Marquette? Will you refuse to watch another second of MU hoops for the rest of the season or maybe for the rest of your life?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 07:40:55 AMBut if they lose all three were just back to being that better-than-average Marquette. I can't accept that.
Seeding started in 1979 We've had 2 2 seeds so let's chill a bit.
It's hardly just a "better than average" year if we don't get a 1 seed. Especially considering we've only been to the tournament 23/40 possible tournaments.
If you total our seeds then divide by the 23 years we've made the tournament then our "above average" is a 6 seed Which we've achieved 13/23 times. Trim that down to 9/23 for 5 or better. 7/23 for 4 or better. 6/23 for 3 or better.
I'd happily take a year on par with the 79, 03, 12, 13 years let alone the past two.
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1884014879272845644?t=YbL3W4VvF8eIMfzUx95L-Q&s=19
Wasn't alcohol banned at the AMP in the last few years for this?
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1883234246829244611?t=sqwd_UVsVlP9SvZ-r1kPDg&s=19
St. John's up 23-3 at Georgetown. Woah.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2025, 05:49:05 PMSt. John's up 23-3 at Georgetown. Woah.
Yeah, they're looking good. Even if MU is pretty good, sometimes there's just another team that's at a different level. Didn't expect STJ to go there (but what do I know :) ).
Need 2/3 UC,@STJ,@CR. What a test!
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 06:16:01 PMYeah, they're looking good. Even if MU is pretty good, sometimes there's just another team that's at a different level. Didn't expect STJ to go there (but what do I know :) ).
Need 2/3 UC,@STJ,@CR. What a test!
Marquette hasn't shown anything to indicate they are good
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 07:40:55 AMI reduce MUs prospects down to just these 3. UC, @STJ, @CR.
I've said we go 2/3, BE title and 2 seed.
But if we win all 3 then I'm thinking 1 seed.
But if they lose all three were just back to being that better-than-average Marquette. I can't accept that.
Let's just beat Butler tonight and prepare for Saturday's game. Never underestimate your opponent.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 06:20:52 PMMarquette hasn't shown anything to indicate they are good
...and Patino is a far superior coach.
Maybe Georgetown isn't "back".
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2025, 09:26:05 AMIf it happens, how will you manifest "I can't accept that"? Will you choose another team to root for? Will you stop donating to Marquette? Will you refuse to watch another second of MU hoops for the rest of the season or maybe for the rest of your life?
So I got a lot of blowback on a couple of posts here...will address this one.
I'm an MU fan. I'll always root for them. I do sulk though when we lose. I didn't post much for a couple days after X got us.
To explain, "I can't accept". Right now at this moment I can't accept the idea that we would lose all three of these tough games. The Wojo days we would accept it even before they're played ...NO MORE! MU is at a different level.
It's possible we could lose all three. If we do I'm bumming' big time. And I'm sure those who've decided sticking it to me is fun will say "ha,ha accept that Fairweather!".....ok, but what does that say about them being MU fans. Scoop is just a place to slam others and feel superior!? What about Marquette basketball and having that hope for a BE regular season Championship? BET winners?, A real nice seed?, (a 1 one day!?), Sweet sweet 16?, final 4 (generational joy!)?. And the nirvana of a (dare I say it) national championship!?!?
MU is real good. I'm a fan. I'm looking for good things. Disappointment comes with the territory...but I don't accept it!
Hate on me if you want.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 06:58:02 PMSo I got a lot of blowback on a couple of posts here...will address this one.
I'm an MU fan. I'll always root for them. I do sulk though when we lose. I didn't post much for a couple days after X got us.
To explain, "I can't accept". Right now at this moment I can't accept the idea that we would lose all three of these tough games. The Wojo days we would accept it even before they're played ...NO MORE! MU is at a different level.
It's possible we could lose all three. If we do I'm bumming' big time. And I'm sure those who've decided sticking it to me is fun will say "ha,ha accept that Fairweather!".....ok, but what does that say about them being MU fans. Scoop is just a place to slam others and feel superior!? What about Marquette basketball and having that hope for a BE regular season Championship? BET winners?, A real nice seed?, (a 1 one day!?), Sweet sweet 16?, final 4 (generational joy!)?. And the nirvana of a (dare I say it) national championship!?!?
MU is real good. I'm a fan. I'm looking for good things. Disappointment comes with the territory...but I don't accept it!
Hate on me if you want.
Don't play the victim card.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 06:58:02 PMSo I got a lot of blowback on a couple of posts here...will address this one.
I'm an MU fan. I'll always root for them. I do sulk though when we lose. I didn't post much for a couple days after X got us.
To explain, "I can't accept". Right now at this moment I can't accept the idea that we would lose all three of these tough games. The Wojo days we would accept it even before they're played ...NO MORE! MU is at a different level.
It's possible we could lose all three. If we do I'm bumming' big time. And I'm sure those who've decided sticking it to me is fun will say "ha,ha accept that Fairweather!".....ok, but what does that say about them being MU fans. Scoop is just a place to slam others and feel superior!? What about Marquette basketball and having that hope for a BE regular season Championship? BET winners?, A real nice seed?, (a 1 one day!?), Sweet sweet 16?, final 4 (generational joy!)?. And the nirvana of a (dare I say it) national championship!?!?
MU is real good. I'm a fan. I'm looking for good things. Disappointment comes with the territory...but I don't accept it!
Hate on me if you want.
MU Iceman! Glad to see you back posting, albeit on a different board. :D
Quote from: The Sultan on January 28, 2025, 07:03:41 PMDon't play the victim card.
You're right, less cards more basketball!
Turning up Homer!
That's six of the last seven for Georgetown, who would have been 0-7 had Villanova not stopped playing in the final three minutes of that game on MLK day.
This team is spent and it's still January: 14 field goals, 16 turnovers.
Micah Peavy: 40 minutes, 3-14
Jayden Epps: 1-8
Caleb Williams: 1-6
Curtis Williams: 0-5
Thomas Sorber: 3-9
Hahaha 14 field goals, 16 turnovers got me
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 28, 2025, 08:16:31 PMThat's six of the last seven for Georgetown, who would have been 0-7 had Villanova not stopped playing in the final three minutes of that game on MLK day.
This team is spent and it's still January: 14 field goals, 16 turnovers.
Micah Peavy: 40 minutes, 3-14
Jayden Epps: 1-8
Caleb Williams: 1-6
Curtis Williams: 0-5
Thomas Sorber: 3-9
DFA - any rumblings of team dissent? That looks like a team of disinterested guys right now
Absurd foul call there
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 28, 2025, 08:16:31 PMThat's six of the last seven for Georgetown, who would have been 0-7 had Villanova not stopped playing in the final three minutes of that game on MLK day.
This team is spent and it's still January: 14 field goals, 16 turnovers.
Micah Peavy: 40 minutes, 3-14
Jayden Epps: 1-8
Caleb Williams: 1-6
Curtis Williams: 0-5
Thomas Sorber: 3-9
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 28, 2025, 08:16:31 PMThat's six of the last seven for Georgetown, who would have been 0-7 had Villanova not stopped playing in the final three minutes of that game on MLK day.
This team is spent and it's still January: 14 field goals, 16 turnovers.
Micah Peavy: 40 minutes, 3-14
Jayden Epps: 1-8
Caleb Williams: 1-6
Curtis Williams: 0-5
Thomas Sorber: 3-9
I know Epps can be a volume shooter/scorer, but he seems like a net negative to me, think GU is better without him on the floor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 09:08:42 PMDFA - any rumblings of team dissent? That looks like a team of disinterested guys right now
No, but the Washington Post, which takes care to never criticize teams, noted this in their write-up: "The Red Storm's ascension in its second season under Rick Pitino stands in stark contrast to the state of Georgetown's program midway through the Big East schedule. [Ed] Cooley also took over last season with the mandate to reclaim the swagger that made the Hoyas a national brand."
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 28, 2025, 11:22:30 PMNo, but the Washington Post, which takes care to never criticize teams, noted this in their write-up: "The Red Storm's ascension in its second season under Rick Pitino stands in stark contrast to the state of Georgetown's program midway through the Big East schedule. [Ed] Cooley also took over last season with the mandate to reclaim the swagger that made the Hoyas a national brand."
At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Cooley-he does not have the coaching resume' that Pitino has. Also, I believe that SJU had plenty of NIL $ available. That does not mean that Cooley cannot do better. Last night was a disgrace.
DePaul 26,UConn 14 with 7 minutes left in the first half.
Bump. Because DePaul is, for now, making UConn look silly.
Good teams make adjustments at halftime. UConn 2-13 from 3 and getting outrebounded. I am sure UConn scoop is apoplectic. Probably some jabroni saying Hurley should have taken the NBA gig, that he isn't actually a good coach.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 07:54:37 PMGood teams make adjustments at halftime. UConn 2-13 from 3 and getting outrebounded. I am sure UConn scoop is apoplectic. Probably some jabroni saying Hurley should have taken the NBA gig, that he isn't actually a good coach.
Someone has called him Karabad, which is still more clever than any Willie name.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 06:58:02 PMSo I got a lot of blowback on a couple of posts here...will address this one.
I'm an MU fan. I'll always root for them. I do sulk though when we lose. I didn't post much for a couple days after X got us.
To explain, "I can't accept". Right now at this moment I can't accept the idea that we would lose all three of these tough games. The Wojo days we would accept it even before they're played ...NO MORE! MU is at a different level.
It's possible we could lose all three. If we do I'm bumming' big time. And I'm sure those who've decided sticking it to me is fun will say "ha,ha accept that Fairweather!".....ok, but what does that say about them being MU fans. Scoop is just a place to slam others and feel superior!? What about Marquette basketball and having that hope for a BE regular season Championship? BET winners?, A real nice seed?, (a 1 one day!?), Sweet sweet 16?, final 4 (generational joy!)?. And the nirvana of a (dare I say it) national championship!?!?
MU is real good. I'm a fan. I'm looking for good things. Disappointment comes with the territory...but I don't accept it!
Hate on me if you want.
I didn't "hate" on you one iota. I asked a couple of questions in response to something you said.
And you still didn't really answer what you would do to show how you would refuse to "accept" losses.
If all you mean is that losses would tick you off ... well sure, welcome to the club.
I hate it when we lose and get cranky on those occasions.
But I know I'll always come back, stay loyal to MU hoops and try to be positive about the next game. I'm a pretty optimistic guy.
If that's "accepting" losses, I plead guilty. Because the alternative - rooting for some other team or not being a college hoops fan at all - is, well, unacceptable.
Creighton putting on a 3 point shooting exhibition to put away Xavier. 7 straight at one point.
Xavier has an interesting end to their season. They've played 7 of 8 games against the top 4 teams (home vs creighton remaining), so they should be favored in most of their remaining 9 games.
Quote from: wisblue on January 29, 2025, 08:56:21 PMCreighton putting on a 3 point shooting exhibition to put away Xavier. 7 straight at one point.
Ashworth hit the 8th and then gave the Night Night cliche.
Even if they only go 4-for-8 in that stretch - still a good 50% - it's a close game to the end.
But good on Creighton hitting em all. I hope there's a reversion to mean when we play them.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2025, 09:02:02 PMAshworth hit the 8th and then gave the Night Night cliche.
Even if they only go 4-for-8 in that stretch - still a good 50% - it's a close game to the end.
But good on Creighton hitting em all. I hope there's a reversion to mean when we play them.
If we beat UConn on Saturday I think it may be down to a 3 team race for the title.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2025, 09:18:09 PMIf we beat UConn on Saturday I think it may be down to a 3 team race for the title.
You already think that.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 29, 2025, 09:28:24 PMYou already think that.
Nope. I wouldn't count UConn out just yet, but if they take their 4th loss while SJ and MU still only have 1 then they are in a tough tough spot.
UCONN moves off the bubble with tonight's win. 🙃
I can't tell if Sean Miller is using it in a joking sense (probably?) or actually kinda complaining about their conference schedule here.
https://x.com/PaulFritschner/status/1884812324063588487?t=-zYCcJjUenHbml3XAvaWYg&s=19
Pierre Brooks from Butler picked up a flagrant when he shoved Sorber in the 1st, now Sorber exits after getting elbowed in the face in the 2nd half.
Physical Big East games right now in D.C.
Friday's game:
Butler 70
Georgetown 73
Capital One Arena
A-6,729
Butler with nine second half turnovers, gave up a 15-0 run mid-second half.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 31, 2025, 08:48:04 PMFriday's game:
Butler 70
Georgetown 73
Capital One Arena
A-6,729
Butler with nine second half turnovers, gave up a 15-0 run mid-second half.
GT wins despite going like 2-for-100 from 3. Nice job!
Not exactly a basketball clinic right now at MSG.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 01, 2025, 11:43:02 AMNot exactly a basketball clinic right now at MSG.
As usual, St. John's can't shoot ... but they can turn over a bad opponent.
Watching Providence run offense is like going to the dentist office
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2025, 12:50:12 PMWatching Providence run offense is like going to the dentist office
Happy gas kicked in for a few minutes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2025, 12:50:12 PMWatching Providence run offense is like going to the dentist office
I'll take it right now! This might be the first time in my life I've rooted for the Friars. 1 point game 2:19 left
Easy W for St. John's. They look unbeatable
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2025, 12:50:12 PMWatching Providence run offense is like going to the dentist office
They all cower from the crime rate?
It's obvious why so many Scoopers fear St. John's and think we have little chance to win Tuesday's game.
I mean, the way they destroyed the powerful Providence Friars ... that's a Johnnie juggernaut. Our team might as well not even bother showing up.
Come on Nova.
Dammit Dixon. A right handed hook??? Focus.
Two utterly asinine shots by Dixon. Poor decisions.
What the F???? They gave Creighton a time-out????? Complete garbage.
Totally inexcusable. And they reviewed it??? Beyond ridiculous.
Unreal.
Clean living
Refreshing seeing St. John's and Creighton find ways to win games. Marquette could learn a lot watching these teams
It's why they're clearly 1-2
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 01, 2025, 02:12:30 PMWhat the F???? They gave Creighton a time-out????? Complete garbage.
Agreed. refs on their kneepads on that call. And then Ashworth slimes one in. BTW, How old are Ashworth and Kalkenbanger, tey both about 25?
Bogus ending.
They shouldn't have gotten the timeout and then he banks in a 3 off the side of the backboards
You talk about brutal? That call cannot be made and cost them the game.
I mean how the F do you even initially make that call in real-time? And they can review it but don't reverse it? Unconcionable. All three refs should be dismissed imo.
Write a letter.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2025, 02:22:21 PMWrite a letter.
It shouldn't be necessary. If this happened to MU I would be extremely unhappy.
Quote from: wisblue on February 01, 2025, 02:16:21 PMBogus ending.
They shouldn't have gotten the timeout and then he banks in a 3 off the side of the backboards
We can no longer complain about not getting any home cooking.
So, who is Nova's next coach?
I know you can't call a TO going out of bounds in the NBA. I guess you can in college.
Also ...
The announcers practically canonized Ashworth - then he made a horrible turnover that gave Nova the lead, fired a scud from 3, and was miles off on a wide-open 3. Only the luckiest break in recent basketball history prevented him from being the Choker of the Game.
He's a good college PG. He's not Chris Paul.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 02:28:29 PMI know you can't call a TO going out of bounds in the NBA. I guess you can in college.
Also ...
The announcers practically canonized Ashworth - then he made a horrible turnover that gave Nova the lead, fired a scud from 3, and was miles off on a wide-open 3. Only the luckiest break in recent basketball history prevented him from being the Choker of the Game.
He's a good college PG. He's not Chris Paul.
Class of the league. Find ways to win
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 02:28:29 PMI know you can't call a TO going out of bounds in the NBA. I guess you can in college.
Also ...
The announcers practically canonized Ashworth - then he made a horrible turnover that gave Nova the lead, fired a scud from 3, and was miles off on a wide-open 3. Only the luckiest break in recent basketball history prevented him from being the Choker of the Game.
He's a good college PG. He's not Chris Paul.
Well said. Donny might want to check himself.
https://x.com/UConntweets/status/1717615447019770079?t=TWJcJAHfDUVArmZyqj4A6A&s=19
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2025, 02:25:51 PMSo, who is Nova's next coach?
Wonder if Jay Wright has a good relationship with Will Wade?
If they can look beyond his indiscretions he would be a good hire imo
Congratulations to Creighton for knowing the rules better than the scoop-igentsia.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 02:28:29 PMI know you can't call a TO going out of bounds in the NBA. I guess you can in college.
Also ...
The announcers practically canonized Ashworth - then he made a horrible turnover that gave Nova the lead, fired a scud from 3, and was miles off on a wide-open 3. Only the luckiest break in recent basketball history prevented him from being the Choker of the Game.
He's a good college PG. He's not Chris Paul.
He may be in college but he's older than a lot of NBA players. just a couple months away from being 25 in his fifth year of college ball.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2025, 02:37:20 PMCongratulations to Creighton for knowing the rules better than the scoop-igentsia.
He didn't have control of the ball.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2025, 02:37:20 PMCongratulations to Creighton for knowing the rules better than the scoop-igentsia.
The question for me was not the rule but whether he actually had possession of the ball before landing OB.
It looked like he was still fumbling it while trying to call timeout and in that case he should have been ruled OB.
Lost in the ending ...
How bout McDermott calling a TO with 1:32 to go - and 8 seconds left on the shot clock - only to have his players be totally unaware about the shot clock once play resumed?
So either McDermott forgot to drive home the point that time was of the essence, or all the old men playing for Creighton ignored their coach. And yes, the great Ashworth was one of the CU guys who casually did nothing while the clock was running out.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 02:46:46 PMLost in the ending ...
How bout McDermott calling a TO with 1:32 to go - and 8 seconds left on the shot clock - only to have his players be totally unaware about the shot clock once play resumed?
So either McDermott forgot to drive home the point that time was of the essence, or all the old men playing for Creighton ignored their coach. And yes, the great Ashworth was one of the CU guys who casually did nothing while the clock was running out.
They just find ways to win, regardless of the coach or players. Class of the league
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 02:46:46 PMLost in the ending ...
How bout McDermott calling a TO with 1:32 to go - and 8 seconds left on the shot clock - only to have his players be totally unaware about the shot clock once play resumed?
So either McDermott forgot to drive home the point that time was of the essence, or all the old men playing for Creighton ignored their coach. And yes, the great Ashworth was one of the CU guys who casually did nothing while the clock was running out.
If it makes you feel better some ESPN announcer just compared Hausen on K.State to Mitch Richmond.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 01, 2025, 02:53:15 PMIf it makes you feel better some ESPN announcer just compared Hausen on K.State to Mitch Richmond.
It doesn't make me feel better or worse. Just makes me shake my head and wonder about these folks.
Rick Pitino is just a hilarious Twitter follow. He Tweets like a Scooper posts in a game thread.
https://x.com/RealPitino/status/1886039702366535819?t=NpFvkO6AX_YgS82XfffVuQ&s=19
I'd love to see how the odds adjust if MU wins in NYC on Tuesday. Would be a 3 way tie at the top with UConn 1 game back and getting stronger with McNeeley returning.
Agree with this poster that the Huskies seem like the best value play at +1000.
https://x.com/BigEastBuckets_/status/1886125682356326585?t=wOofV98TTMFvcKR7BsVbsQ&s=19
Gus Bus getting run for the Hall against DePaul and immediately picks up 2 fouls
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2025, 05:19:13 PMGus Bus getting run for the Hall against DePaul and immediately picks up 2 fouls
You're watching Seton Hall vs. DePaul?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 02, 2025, 05:45:44 PMYou're watching Seton Hall vs. DePaul?
Hell yeah. I have to see who we'll be fighting for last place
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2025, 05:46:25 PMHell yeah. I have to see who we'll be fighting for last place
Smart.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 02, 2025, 05:47:36 PMSmart.
Watching it supports my theory it would have been better if Shaka got hired elsewhere this past off-season. We could have gotten Holtmann
Shaheen and Neptune won't be back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2025, 05:19:13 PMGus Bus getting run for the Hall against DePaul and immediately picks up 2 fouls
I know we all love the idea of a big ole pot smoking white guy from Wisconsin playing high level college basketball but...and hear me out here...that may not actually work in the 2025th year of our Lord.
Just another transfer looking for a bag.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 06:34:02 PMShaheen and Neptune won't be back.
Neptune will be gone but the Hall won't buy out Shaheen. His six year deal ($2.4 million/year) was extended this past off-season.
Enright for DePaul OUT for season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 03, 2025, 02:10:19 PMNeptune will be gone but the Hall won't buy out Shaheen. His six year deal ($2.4 million/year) was extended this past off-season.
Correct. As much as Sha wishes he was gone, he is stuck in Jersey.
Butler raining 3s early
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 05:39:22 PMButler raining 3s early
Providence is 8 NET spots away from being a Q1 road win. Butler is 12 NET spots away from becoming a Q1 road win. Hoping both of them win today to creep closer to giving us that.
Gus Bus!
Seton Hall has given up.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 05:39:22 PMButler raining 3s early
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2025, 05:49:39 PMProvidence is 8 NET spots away from being a Q1 road win. Butler is 12 NET spots away from becoming a Q1 road win. Hoping both of them win today to creep closer to giving us that.
Butler has now led at the half of 9/12 conference games. They will be favored in at least three games (@DPU, GTown and PC at home). They could realistically get to 7-11 and maybe get to Q1 territory for us.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 05, 2025, 08:10:14 PMButler has now led at the half of 9/12 conference games. They will be favored in at least three games (@DPU, GTown and PC at home). They could realistically get to 7-11 and maybe get to Q1 territory for us.
Would be great!
Creighton Providence is worth tuning in for.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 08:56:40 PMCreighton Providence is worth tuning in for.
Eviscerating Providence was quite enjoyable. Hopefully, that MU team reappears.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 08:56:40 PMCreighton Providence is worth tuning in for.
Hopefully they go into double OT.
Kalkbrenner acting the the BEPoY at the moment
Quote from: DoctorV on February 05, 2025, 09:54:52 PMKalkbrenner acting the the BEPoY at the moment
This will be an interesting race. Kam the favorite right now, Kalk gaining, Richmond coming on, Dixon fading.
Kalky will have a nice Euro career.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 05, 2025, 10:09:12 PMThis will be an interesting race. Kam the favorite right now, Kalk gaining, Richmond coming on, Dixon fading.
Kam would be the favorite had he not struggled, not so sure he is now. Kalk has the recent hot streak and is ahead in the Standings. Big East coaches also love him.
May come down to who finishes higher in the standings. A lot to be earned in the last 8 games.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2025, 10:14:46 PMKam would be the favorite had he not struggled, not so sure he is now. Kalk has the recent hot streak and is ahead in the Standings. Big East coaches also love him.
May come down to who finishes higher in the standings. A lot to be earned in the last 8 games.
The focus right now should be dismantling Creighton on Saturday.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2025, 10:14:46 PMKam would be the favorite had he not struggled, not so sure he is now. Kalk has the recent hot streak and is ahead in the Standings. Big East coaches also love him.
May come down to who finishes higher in the standings. A lot to be earned in the last 8 games.
I'm not sure how much standings will play into it considering Devin Carter won last year despite PC finishing tied for sixth.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 06, 2025, 08:13:27 AMI'm not sure how much standings will play into it considering Devin Carter won last year despite PC finishing tied for sixth.
Kolek might have been unanimous had he not gotten injured.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 05, 2025, 10:20:46 PMThe focus right now should be dismantling Creighton on Saturday.
Yes, by talking about things other than the next game, we Scoopers are ruining the season for the team.
Like many Scoopers, I watch a decent amount of Big East hoops. But I rarely look at the schedule and say, "I'm definitely gonna watch this game."
I'm definitely gonna to watch tonight's St. John's-UConn game.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2025, 11:39:36 AMLike many Scoopers, I watch a decent amount of Big East hoops. But I rarely look at the schedule and say, "I'm definitely gonna watch this game."
I'm definitely gonna to watch tonight's St. John's-UConn game.
I'm with you. The other night I worked out instead of watching Butler/SH and only watched the last few minutes of Creighton/PC and X/Gtown (after watching the Netflix OJ documentary instead). But tonight's tilt seems like must see TV.
Strategy time - who should we be rooting for tonight? Do we want to get closer to the Johnnies or want UConn to drop further down from us. I guess it depends if you think we can still get the BE #1 seed for our tourney.
Root for UCONN. Gives us the best chance to win the conference. LOTS of season left.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/1887927695939350677?t=ei9du9Bj_I5r-AX80yPH8A&s=19
Lol. 18 scouts going to watch Sorber against Gus Yalden.
He might slide into the Top 5 after tomorrow.
Quote from: McHenryMU on February 07, 2025, 12:42:08 PMStrategy time - who should we be rooting for tonight? Do we want to get closer to the Johnnies or want UConn to drop further down from us. I guess it depends if you think we can still get the BE #1 seed for our tourney.
For the BE tournament, seed doesn't matter as much to me as matchup. I'd prefer to see Creighton in the semifinals. My second choice is UConn. I think St. Johns is the worst matchup for us between them, UConn and Creighton.
Quote from: wombataholic on February 07, 2025, 03:35:37 PMFor the BE tournament, seed doesn't matter as much to me as matchup. I'd prefer to see Creighton in the semifinals. My second choice is UConn. I think St. Johns is the worst matchup for us between them, UConn and Creighton.
I'd rather see St Johns than UConn, but agree on Creighton.
St Johns offense is bad and when we play them it'd either be the 2nd or 3rd day of back to back to back games. Not scared of St. John's, but UConn is just flat out really good. Especially with McNeeley likely back tonight.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 07, 2025, 01:51:50 PMRoot for UCONN. Gives us the best chance to win the conference. LOTS of season left.
We aint winning the conference. Creighton, St. Johns and UConn will finish ahead of us. We are free falling to these programs and people need to get realistic.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2025, 05:02:55 PMWe aint winning the conference. Creighton, St. Johns and UConn will finish ahead of us. We are free falling to these programs and people need to get realistic.
Thanks, Wlooiuyt
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2025, 05:02:55 PMWe aint winning the conference. Creighton, St. Johns and UConn will finish ahead of us. We are free falling to these programs and people need to get realistic.
I'll bet we will finish top 3. You can have 4th to 11th. Name your price/bet.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 07, 2025, 05:15:03 PMI'll bet we will finish top 3. You can have 4th to 11th. Name your price/bet.
Same.
Quote from: McHenryMU on February 07, 2025, 12:42:08 PMStrategy time - who should we be rooting for tonight? Do we want to get closer to the Johnnies or want UConn to drop further down from us. I guess it depends if you think we can still get the BE #1 seed for our tourney.
I'm hoping for a brawl that leads to a double forfeit and multiple suspensions.
Stewart doesn't look like a bad shooter to me.
UConn has a real chance to run the table and win the league playing like this.
They are way better than St. John's and they looked better than us. Creighton beating them on the road was a huge win for them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 07:28:32 PMUConn has a real chance to run the table and win the league playing like this.
They are way better than St. John's and they looked better than us. Creighton beating them on the road was a huge win for them.
I'll bet against them running the table.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 07:42:34 PMI'll bet against them running the table.
So would I because it is hard to replicate great play for a long stretch, but if they play like this, they got a shot.
Johnnies up 2 at the half.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2025, 08:03:46 PMJohnnies up 2 at the half.
Lol what?! We were saying that UCONN could run the table based on...what then? Like a 3 possession sample size? I haven't paid one bit of attention. Figured UCONN was up 25 or something.
St.J -12 on the glass after 20 mins and up 2.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:14:54 PMLol what?! We were saying that UCONN could run the table based on...what then? Like a 3 possession sample size? I haven't paid one bit of attention. Figured UCONN was up 25 or something.
They were up closer to 25 than 2
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2025, 05:02:55 PMWe aint winning the conference. Creighton, St. Johns and UConn will finish ahead of us. We are free falling to these programs and people need to get realistic.
Marquette is tied for 3 and 4 right now. And with games @creighton, @uconn, vs St John's, 4th is about right. As much as Willie takes shiit, it's hard to argue the trajectory of this team. Had Xavier not lost Fremantle for a few games, Marquette may be 5th.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 07, 2025, 08:26:16 PMMarquette is tied for 3 and 4 right now. And with games @creighton, @uconn, vs St John's, 4th is about right. As much as Willie takes shiit, it's hard to argue the trajectory of this team. Had Xavier not lost Fremantle for a few games, Marquette may be 5th.
Correct. MU only gets the easy wins. Purdue, Wiscy, Maryland, Georgia all stunk when we played them. We'd have 0 good wins if we played them now. Hope the committee sees through us, sees the trajectory, and gives us a CBI Invite.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 07, 2025, 08:26:16 PMMarquette is tied for 3 and 4 right now. And with games @creighton, @uconn, vs St John's, 4th is about right. As much as Willie takes shiit, it's hard to argue the trajectory of this team. Had Xavier not lost Fremantle for a few games, Marquette may be 5th.
Marquette still has the highest ceiling in the BEast.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:29:13 PMCorrect. MU only gets the easy wins. Purdue, Wiscy, Maryland, Georgia all stunk when we played them. We'd have 0 good wins if we played them now. Hope the committee sees through us, sees the trajectory, and gives us a CBI Invite.
Lucky we played Bucky when they played, if they played this Saturday, Bucky would roll by 20...
Extreme luck to beat Depaul - argue this is a top 3 Big East team
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 07, 2025, 08:38:27 PMLucky we played Bucky when they played, if they played this Saturday, Bucky would roll by 20...
Extreme luck to beat Depaul - argue this is a top 3 Big East team
No doubt. We have 0 good wins this season.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:40:57 PMNo doubt. We have 0 good wins this season.
Post volume when Marquette struggles on scoop versus when they're winning Venn diagram
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:40:57 PMNo doubt. We have 0 good wins this season.
Never said they have 0 good wins. Said they are struggling now and on a bad trajectory.
Though to talk since we stink and we also lost to Uconn
But is there a player that has lost more money by coming back to school than Karaban?
He's close to a full blown liability on that team right now.
The Johnnies want that league crown. They turn every game into an ugly war.
UConn scored 21 points in the 1st 5.5 minutes. They've scored 31 in the next 32 minutes.
Stuck on 52 with under 4 to play.
St Johns was frustrating. But they are good at what they do
Losing to Uconn was worse than the Xavier loss. I'm not convinced they are better than Xavier and we lost by more when they were missing their best player.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2025, 09:10:08 PMSt Johns was frustrating. But they are good at what they do
Losing to Uconn was worse than the Xavier loss. I'm not convinced they are better than Xavier and we lost by more when they were missing their best player.
Both St.J and UCONN will lose before the 2nd weekend in the tournament.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 09:11:59 PMBoth St.J and UCONN will lose before the 2hd weekend in the tournament.
And marquette too
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 09:11:59 PMBoth St.J and UCONN will lose before the 2hd weekend in the tournament.
SJU is flawed but have very real strengths. THey can be contenders
Outside of Hurley and Ball drilling 3s I think this Uconn team is as mediocre as it gets. Bad defenders. Offense is against a D with a pulse is a nightmare cause they cant play make or take care of the ball.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 09:15:08 PMMU has the highest ceiling of the three.
agreed if they play well
Seriously though
Karaban returned to be a sit in the corner in crunch time(when you cant make 3s) role guy?!?!?!?!?! for a 3rd year?
His shooting is down this year and he's still just the same off the ball guy with a worst cast.
My take is that St.J will not be able to play bully ball in the tournament like they can in the BEast. They're very good defensively and on the glass but their shooting will doom them. .
As for UCONN I just don't think they have a guy who can take over despite Solo Ball's 7-9 from distance against us.
Huge shot there. Mid-range.
I love Gus Johnson but holy hell the man is losing it.
He said people are comparing Solo Ball to Russell Westbrook. Maybe the worst comp in the history of sports.
Then Luis drills a killer jumper(great play by pitino) on a mid range sideline shot. Gus "And Luis hadnt drilled a 3 all night"
What in the world
What a baseline OOB play call by slick Rick.
Beautiful
This has been a mid range clinic
That hurts our title chances a bit.
If we lose tomorrow it may be a 2 team race.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 08:30:10 PMMarquette still has the highest ceiling in the BEast.
That's an opinion that would be hard to support in an objective discussion.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 09:15:08 PMMU has the highest ceiling of the three.
That ceiling starts with MU getting a elite 8 match up in a gym holding 5K against DePaul.
We have zero extended ceiling with David the mad bomber Joplin doing what he does
And that's without mentioning the other less in your face flaws of the team.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 09:28:05 PMThat's an opinion that would be hard to support in an objective discussion.
Would it?
They are the highest projected seed in the league for a reason with arguably the best player. Ceiling is what they could get to, not what they will get to, and MU has a high ceiling.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:06:19 PMThe Johnnies want that league crown. They turn every game into an ugly war.
UConn scored 21 points in the 1st 5.5 minutes. They've scored 31 in the next 32 minutes.
Stuck on 52 with under 4 to play.
Gonna be hard for them to win the league title when UCONN is running the table.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:32:37 PMWould it?
They are the highest projected seed in the league for a reason with arguably the best player. Ceiling is what they could get to, not what they will get to, and MU has a high ceiling.
If Marquette had mid-range shooters, they'd be unstoppable
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:32:37 PMWould it?
They are the highest projected seed in the league for a reason with arguably the best player. Ceiling is what they could get to, not what they will get to, and MU has a high ceiling.
Lots of people here refuse to deal with reality. We're struggling, that's not the point. We all know what this team is capable of when we're clicking on all cylinders. I believe we can get out of this funk and back on track in the next few weeks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 09:35:24 PMLots of people here refuse to deal with reality. We're struggling, that's not the point. We all know what this team is capable of when we're clicking on all cylinders. I believe we can get out of this funk and back on track in the next few weeks.
What is that though?
We absolutely have some good wins. Like Purdue and at Maryland. Even GEs badgers.
But weve been the same team for a loooooooong time. With Kam in a major slump as the only real turn in BE. Everyone else is who they are. We are 20 games in. Nc State Joplin is clearly who he is at this point. Gold is not going to randomly emerge as consistent scorer. He hasn't all year.
If Kam rights the ship(which also depends on other guys so he's not pressed) then yeah we can beat most teams in 1 game. But this team hasn't shown anything this year that they can win a bunch in a row against teams with a pulse.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 09:33:21 PMGonna be hard for them to win the league title when UCONN is running the table.
You are outrageously extreme. Idk if it's a schtick or your really that crazy. Either way...lol
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2025, 09:40:03 PMWhat is that though?
We absolutely have some good wins. Like Purdue and at Maryland. Even GEs badgers.
But weve been the same team for a loooooooong time. With Kam in a major slump as the only real turn in BE. Everyone else is who they are. We are 20 games in. Nc State Joplin is clearly who he is at this point. Gold is not going to randomly emerge as consistent scorer. He hasn't all year.
If Kam rights the ship(which also depends on other guys so he's not pressed) then yeah we can beat most teams in 1 game. But this team hasn't shown anything this year that they can win a bunch in a row against teams with a pulse.
WadesWorld's Badgers
We all watch a lot of BE hoops, but even this deep into the season I'd argue it's pretty hard to pinpoint which of the big4 has the best chance at a deep Final 4 run
StJ clearly playing the best currently, and their defense and size/length combo gives them a chance, but man they just can't shoot the ball from the outside so they are a wild card. That effective mid range game is such a unicorn these days, and much like MU they have to worry about getting called for a lot of fouls because they play so aggressive. They play a thinner bench than Marquette though.
UConn seems to have the parts- Ball is a rising star that as we saw can be a microwave shooter/scorer. McNeeley can light it up and Reed looked good inside tonight.
Karaban is such a head scratcher- he's so slow and that squad overall is a step slow. They have Hurley though and like StJ that gives them a step up.
Marquette we know about- defense in place, rebounding better but still a weak link, shooting can/should be there but isn't.
I'll agree with Muggsy on the highest ceiling part because if Kam is the Kam of earlier this year Marquette has the biggest room to grow from now until Madness.
Also has the biggest room to fade if they keep shooting like dung and Kam doesn't get right
Creighton we can report back after tomorrow, but it's just hard to see the Kalk and Ash show riding high in March. I doubted StJ a few weeks ago though, and look at where we are now.
One thing is for certain- Hurley, Pitino, McDermott, Shaka are all elite af and any BE team that dances is gonna have a chance at a nice run because of those guys.
Very enjoyable game to watch.
Impressed again by St. John's toughness and tenacity.
UConn again couldn't take care of the ball and St. John's took advantage of it better than we did.
It will be interesting to see who gets "doomed" earlier in the NCAAs: bad-shooting St. John's or sloppy UConn.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:32:37 PMWould it?
They are the highest projected seed in the league for a reason with arguably the best player. Ceiling is what they could get to, not what they will get to, and MU has a high ceiling.
The counter argument would be that MU is currently the highest projected seed, but that seed is based largely on games played in November and early December. Other teams have improved markedly since then while MU has plateaued.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 10:01:06 PMThe counter argument would be that MU is currently the highest projected seed, but that seed is based largely on games played in November and early December. Other teams have improved markedly since then while MU has plateaued.
100%. Bracketologists look at the whole resume because they have to. I think we'd all rather MU go in as a six seed on a heater than a four that's trending the wrong way.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 10:01:06 PMThe counter argument would be that MU is currently the highest projected seed, but that seed is based largely on games played in November and early December. Other teams have improved markedly since then while MU has plateaued.
That's because the Big East only has 4 quality teams, and one of them is Marquette who cannot play themselves.
They are 18-5, 9-3. They've won all year, not just the Non-Con.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 10:12:38 PMThat's because the Big East only has 4 quality teams, and one of them is Marquette who cannot play themselves.
They are 18-5, 9-3. They've won all year, not just the Non-Con.
at this point in time, lets evaluate on March 9.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2025, 09:48:17 PMVery enjoyable game to watch.
Impressed again by St. John's toughness and tenacity.
UConn again couldn't take care of the ball and St. John's took advantage of it better than we did.
It will be interesting to see who gets "doomed" earlier in the NCAAs: bad-shooting St. John's or sloppy UConn.
Anybody here who was confident that SJ could quickly erase a 14-point deficit on UCONN's home court before halftime?
"Bad shooting" SJ is our last game and it is at Fiserv, and "sloppy" UCONN is our 2nd to last and is on the road. I'm
much more interested in the outcome of those 2 games than I am about how they do in the tourney Mike. Marquette could not handle either team on the first try. Let's hope for Ws in the rematches.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 10:12:38 PMThat's because the Big East only has 4 quality teams, and one of them is Marquette who cannot play themselves.
They are 18-5, 9-3. They've won all year, not just the Non-Con.
If you look at just the conference games and factor in Fremantle's injury, Xavier is very comparable to MU today. They just had the misfortune of playing 7 of their first 11 conference games against the fop 4. They played tough in every one of those games but 1.
I could see a MU-Xavier rubber match in the BET quarters and, if it happens, it would be a tossup.
Better roster with a better coach. Not anymore than that
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 10:26:45 PMIf you look at just the conference games and factor in Fremantle's injury, Xavier is very comparable to MU today. They just had the misfortune of playing 7 of their first 11 conference games against the fop 4. They played tough in every one of those games but 1.
I could see a MU-Xavier rubber match in the BET quarters and, if it happens, it would be a tossup.
No we are definitely better than X
But still not confident about us over all
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2025, 09:48:17 PMIt will be interesting to see who gets "doomed" earlier in the NCAAs: bad-shooting St. John's or sloppy UConn.
Or brick laying soft serve on the glass Marquette 🫣
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 10:01:06 PMThe counter argument would be that MU is currently the highest projected seed, but that seed is based largely on games played in November and early December. Other teams have improved markedly since then while MU has plateaued.
They have regressed.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 10:26:45 PMIf you look at just the conference games and factor in Fremantle's injury, Xavier is very comparable to MU today. They just had the misfortune of playing 7 of their first 11 conference games against the fop 4. They played tough in every one of those games but 1.
I could see a MU-Xavier rubber match in the BET quarters and, if it happens, it would be a tossup.
Sure. But MU is very close to Creighton and ahead of Uconn after 12 games. And could be in 2nd place in 16 hours. If Xavier is very close to MU, then they are very close to UConn and Creighton too.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2025, 10:14:24 PMAnybody here who was confident that SJ could quickly erase a 14-point deficit on UCONN's home court before halftime?
"Bad shooting" SJ is our last game and it is at Fiserv, and "sloppy" UCONN is our 2nd to last and is on the road. I'm much more interested in the outcome of those 2 games than I am about how they do in the tourney Mike. Marquette could not handle either team on the first try. Let's hope for Ws in the rematches.
We led St. John's late. We outscored UConn by 16 points over last 25 minutes.
We lost both games, and that sucked, but I really don't think either team owned us or anything.
And none of that contradicts what I said about St. John's being a poor shooting team or UConn committing too many turnovers.
You put things into a Marquette context, which obviously is A-OK, but I was just talking about those two Big East teams here in the Big East thread.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2025, 09:32:27 PMThat ceiling starts with MU getting a elite 8 match up in a gym holding 5K against DePaul.
We have zero extended ceiling with David the mad bomber Joplin doing what he does
And that's without mentioning the other less in your face flaws of the team.
This must be a Willard burner account
Quote from: BM1090 on February 07, 2025, 11:10:51 PMSure. But MU is very close to Creighton and ahead of Uconn after 12 games. And could be in 2nd place in 16 hours. If Xavier is very close to MU, then they are very close to UConn and Creighton too.
Exactly. Their head to head games against the top teams in the conference say they are very close to them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2025, 10:40:28 PMNo we are definitely better than X
But still not confident about us over all
They certainly didn't prove it in the head to head games.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2025, 12:36:39 AMWe led St. John's late. We outscored UConn by 16 points over last 25 minutes.
We lost both games, and that sucked, but I really don't think either team owned us or anything.
And none of that contradicts what I said about St. John's being a poor shooting team or UConn committing too many turnovers.
You put things into a Marquette context, which obviously is A-OK, but I was just talking about those two Big East teams here in the Big East thread.
I usually do not wrestle with you, but the bottom lines are 1) that we
lost to both teams despite their weaknesses and 2) you referred specifically to how they might struggle
in the NCAA tourney. rather than going forward in BE play.
Yes, we had a nice come back vs. UCONN. But have you forgotten how much we were down before that happened? Only the final score matters, and we were on the wrong side of it.
Quote from: wisblue on February 08, 2025, 09:29:22 AMThey certainly didn't prove it in the head to head games.
1. by that logic it means Kstate is far better than ISU
2. We were boat racing them on the road until the ref show took place. And at home needed terrible even by our standards shooting game to lose by two.
And then they have an infinitely worse resume. So yeah, clear cut we are better
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 11:36:51 AM1. by that logic it means Kstate is far better than ISU
2. We were boat racing them on the road until the ref show took place. And at home needed terrible even by our standards shooting game to lose by two.
And then they have an infinitely worse resume. So yeah, clear cut we are better
1. That was not my starting point. If you compare ALL of the conference games and how the teams have done against mutual opponents, there is little to no separation.
2. The two head to head games could hardly be more alike. Road team has big lead and holds off a comeback to win by 2.
MU's resume is clearly better because of the OOC. Freemantle's injury affected X early in the conference season too.
If there is a separation between MU and X it has shrunk significantly since the middle of December.
Slick Rick advocating for BE expansion. Either merging with the ACC in some way or adding SLU, Dayton and Memphis.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/sports/rick-pitino-adamant-big-east-will-miss-the-boat-without-an-expansion/
Rick should stick to basketball
Butler holds on despite their best efforts to give Providence the win. Earlier in the day Cassia was announced as having left the team and planning to transfer (he'd been out injured since early December). He started a few games for Screen before getting injured.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 12:30:11 PMSlick Rick advocating for BE expansion. Either merging with the ACC in some way or adding SLU, Dayton and Memphis.
He's barking up a tree. There's no money for a 29 team conference, 18 of whom are tied to a grant of rights with ESPN until 2036.
Interesting game today.
Xavier at Villanova in a battle for 5th place.
One of these teams is likely to be MU's first BET opponent in the 4-5 or 3-6 game.
Quote from: wisblue on February 09, 2025, 11:02:48 AMInteresting game today.
Xavier at Villanova in a battle for 5th place.
One of these teams is likely to be MU's first BET opponent in the 4-5 or 3-6 game.
Xavier's running musketeer unis are a thing of beauty
Eric Dixon just realized he doesn't have to chuck 3s every possession and he looks dangerous.
That's a tough body to stop from getting to the rim. In total control over Xavier after just 2 points in the 1st half.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2025, 12:30:32 PMEric Dixon just realized he doesn't have to chuck 3s every possession and he looks dangerous.
That's a tough body to stop from getting to the rim. In total control over Xavier after just 2 points in the 1st half.
He's really good, but for a big man it's amazing how much he ends up on the ground.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 09, 2025, 01:06:27 PMHe's really good, but for a big man it's amazing how much he ends up on the ground.
OMax turned it into an NBA career.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2025, 12:30:32 PMEric Dixon just realized he doesn't have to chuck 3s every possession and he looks dangerous.
That's a tough body to stop from getting to the rim. In total control over Xavier after just 2 points in the 1st half.
He's back in the BE POY race after that second half today.
Top tier:
Kam
Kalk
Dixon
Darkhorse:
Luis, Jr
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2025, 03:59:43 PMHe's back in the BE POY race after that second half today.
Top tier:
Kam
Kalk
Dixon
Darkhorse:
Luis, Jr
Probably still swap Luis and Dixon. The Johnnies are the hot topic right now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2025, 04:00:54 PMProbably still swap Luis and Dixon. The Johnnies are the hot topic right now.
I thought about that, but Richmond might get some consideration from people looking at the Johnnies, taking away votes from Luis.
Dixon won't win it.
Luis Jr and Richmond won't either, but both may be 1st team.
Barring injury, it's Kalkbrenner's to lose imo, unless Marquette somehow wins out and Creighton fades.
He's just come on so strong and he's elite on both ends, going to be very hard for him to lose it with those offensive numbers.
It's unfortunate because Kam seemed to be a solid front runner several weeks ago.
Now his 1st Team AA hopes need a jolt too.
I have a 100$ bet with a friend that he's a first teamer, not as confident anymore
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:32:37 PMWould it?
They are the highest projected seed in the league for a reason with arguably the best player. Ceiling is what they could get to, not what they will get to, and MU has a high ceiling.
celling has been lowered by about 4 seed lines in the last 4 weeks...
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 09, 2025, 10:39:10 PMcelling has been lowered by about 4 seed lines in the last 4 weeks...
Seed lines don't determine ceiling. Seed lines place you in a 68 team bracket.
NCAA has ruled St. John's BET games will now be considered neutral court games instead of home games as they have been in the past.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 10, 2025, 11:13:08 AMNCAA has ruled St. John's BET games will now be considered neutral court games instead of home games as they have been in the past.
Ironic, because this time they will have a far more engaged and sizable crowd. I haven't seen the reason why anywhere, but from the conference's standpoint, I guess it will improve their metrics.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 09, 2025, 09:52:44 PMBarring injury, it's Kalkbrenner's to lose imo, unless Marquette somehow wins out and Creighton fades.
He's just come on so strong and he's elite on both ends, going to be very hard for him to lose it with those offensive numbers.
I want to push back on this because I feel the 30-year-old generally has been overrated during his 12 years at Creighton.
But if I'm to be objective instead of just Marquette-centric, Kalkbrenner is having a superb conference season. In Saturday's game, our players had him on their mind almost every time they entered the paint. He "blocked" many, many more shots with just his presence than he actually blocked with his hand.
Given the trajectory of both teams, it's hard to see Kalkbrenner not getting BEPOY over Kam. And though it's painful to say it, he deserves it.
At least as of today. Maybe Kam goes krazy over the next 4 weeks and Kalkbrenner takes a step back.
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2025, 12:41:35 PMMaybe Kam goes krazy over the next 4 weeks and Kalkbrenner takes a step back kools off.
FIFY
McNeeley with all 9 of UConns points against Creighton to start.
Creighton is 8-2 all time against UConn. Surprised to read that today.
UConn on the verge of being run out of Omaha. Down 14.
UConn making a comeback! Perfect.
Gives me a reason to turn it on after ours is over.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 09:29:43 PMUConn making a comeback! Perfect.
Gives me a reason to turn it on after ours is over.
You and Muggsy swing so wildly with ever tiny run in every game. Friday night UCONN was running the table. Now game is over in the first half against Creighton.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2025, 09:35:34 PMYou and Muggsy swing so wildly with ever tiny run in every game. Friday night UCONN was running the table. Now game is over in the first half against Creighton.
It's a you problem. You nitpick anything you can...and that's fine. It's what you're good at.
I never said UConn was running the table, I said they could if they played like they were. I never said the game was over in the 1st half. You just don't read or comprehend well, and like to make overreactions to what you believe is an overreaction. Very good at twisting words.
McNeeley having a monster game. I don't take "wild" swings.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2025, 09:46:43 PMMcNeeley having a monster game. I don't take "wild" swings.
Lolwut
Creighton broke out $1 beer night for Hurley's return.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 09:46:21 PMIt's a you problem. You nitpick anything you can...and that's fine. It's what you're good at.
I never said UConn was running the table, I said they could if they played like they were. I never said the game was over in the 1st half. You just don't read or comprehend well, and like to make overreactions to what you believe is an overreaction. Very good at twisting words.
I don't twist anything. Of course if you take a team's best 4 minutes of pretty much any game they'll look like the best team in the conference. Nobody makes season long statements based on them...except you. Sorry you don't like the words you post on here.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2025, 09:46:43 PMMcNeeley having a monster game. I don't take "wild" swings.
Only mammals related
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 11, 2025, 09:57:35 PMOnly mammals related
Wrong. And we must respect our marine mammals in particular.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2025, 09:57:30 PMI don't twist anything. Of course if you take a team's best 4 minutes of pretty much any game they'll look like the best team in the conference. Nobody makes season long statements based on them...except you. Sorry you don't like the words you post on here.
Again. You don't actually take my words for what they are. You like to add an exaggeration to every single post...and that's fine. You do you.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2025, 09:58:42 PMWrong. And we must respect our marine mammals in particular.
They're only for eating.
Ashworth with a brutal game. Wish that happened Saturday.
UCONN run out of Nebraska tonight. Understandably to the team with just as good of a chance as anyone to win the BE.
Creighton just bizarrely dribbles and passes around the perimeter down 3 for 15 seconds until clock gets under 7 and Uconn intentionally fouls
Absolutely no clue what ashworth was doing especially
What in the H was that?
Some questionable decisions in the final seconds of this game.
Fouling 90 feet from the basket?
UConn comes back from down 14 and gets their 1st ever win in Omaha!
They now own wins at Marquette and at Creighton. The 2 best wins in the league so far?
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 11, 2025, 10:23:27 PMFouling 90 feet from the basket?
That was one of the questionable decisions. The other was missing on purpose down by three with seven seconds left.
I would try to make the free throw to cut it to two and then pressure the inbound pass.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 10:25:09 PMUConn comes back from down 14 and gets their 1st ever win in Omaha!
They now own wins at Marquette and at Creighton. The 2 best wins in the league so far?
X at Quetta
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 10:25:09 PMUConn comes back from down 14 and gets their 1st ever win in Omaha!
They now own wins at Marquette and at Creighton. The 2 best wins in the league so far?
St. John's win at UConn is better. That puts them in the driver's seat to win the conference.
Quote from: wisblue on February 11, 2025, 10:27:45 PMSt. John's win at UConn is better. That puts them in the driver's seat to win the conference.
Yep. Although they beat us without McNeeley.
Quote from: wisblue on February 11, 2025, 10:27:45 PMSt. John's win at UConn is better. That puts them in the driver's seat to win the conference.
Good call. UConn still has a chance to get them back and sweep the 3 road games are MU, CU, and SJ. Would be crazy.
If Nova could steal one at home tomorrow against St. John's, it would make for a very interesting Sunday game between Creighton and St. John's. Need it!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 10:38:32 PMIf Nova could steal one at home tomorrow against St. John's, it would make for a very interesting Sunday game between Creighton and St. John's. Need it!
That would be sweet.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2025, 10:38:32 PMIf Nova could steal one at home tomorrow against St. John's, it would make for a very interesting Sunday game between Creighton and St. John's. Need it!
We need a SJU win, as Creighton already had just as good of a shot as anyone to win the BE (even though they were a game and a half back to SJU and had already played SJU at home).
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2025, 09:48:11 PMI don't. I just can see when games are over.
But you're wrong about that a lot.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2025, 11:01:20 PMWe need a SJU win, as Creighton already had just as good of a shot as anyone to win the BE (even though they were a game and a half back to SJU and had already played SJU at home).
I agree. Real long shot of MU even tying for the conf title but this is one of the first steps of some crazy math. None inconceivable but together ugh!
Nova beats STJ tonight
STJ beats CR
MU runs the table (xSTJ,xUC)
UC beats STJ
3 4-loss teams.
Part of my figuring is that CR and STJ won't lose any of their other games.
Despite whatever happens, if MU runs the table that would be amazing enough. BE title or not. But I doubt it.
Nova up 5 against the Johnnies with 8 minutes left in the first half.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 12, 2025, 05:31:45 PMNova up 5 against the Johnnies with 8 minutes left in the first half.
For all the problems scoop seems to think we have, St Johns has even more offensively. Their offense STINKS
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 12, 2025, 05:36:19 PMFor all the problems scoop seems to think we have, St Johns has even more offensively. Their offense STINKS
21 3's on 30 shots. Eschewing the mid-range tonight.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2025, 05:54:29 PM21 3's on 30 shots. Eschewing the mid-range tonight.
Luis with 0 at half
Villanova hitting from 3. SJU feeling less inevitable on the road.
Wow. I walk away for 5 minutes...
St. John's getting away with a ton of reaching, a ton, but Nova looks like they've never seen a press before.
Tie game.
Major contact off the ball from St.J.
Wow. Deep contested 3 fron Dixon.
Nova up 4.
What on earth is Brickus doing?
Wow. Dixon with a brutal missed 1 and 1.
Basketball can be fun when you can shoot
Enormous shot!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:16:28 PMBasketball can be fun when you can shoot
It's pretty fun when your team is 19-6 and safely in the tournament
Watching this game I think I realized that MU's issue is simply that the guys aren't confident making plays when it matters.
Nova wins.
Good for Nova. Helps MU a bit too if we can turn it around.
Pitino is such an idiot. He needs to fix that offense. They shot 37 3's tonight and made 11. 4-16 in the second half. Some of those guys should shoot some 10' jumpers
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2025, 07:20:06 PMPitino is such an idiot. He needs to fix that offense. They shot 37 3's tonight and made 11. 4-16 in the second half. Some of those guys should shoot some 10' jumpers
With that 3pt percentage, Marquette would have hit 7 last night and covered.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:23:30 PMWith that 3pt percentage, Marquette would have hit 7 last night and covered.
Pitino and Shaka clueless
Creighton with a massive opportunity to grab the 1 seed on Sunday. Also, this guy remains PERFECT.
https://x.com/JohnniesTape/status/1868807303639744946?t=Ui51NW8HfClF75M1CMSyaw&s=19
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2025, 07:20:06 PMPitino is such an idiot. He needs to fix that offense. They shot 37 3's tonight and made 11. 4-16 in the second half. Some of those guys should shoot some 10' jumpers
Is this really supposed to be some kind of statement arguing there is nothing wrong with MU team right now?
It says MU is not unique or alone.
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2025, 07:34:48 PMIt says MU is not unique or alone.
Marquette's problems are definitely unique from the problems St. John's had tonight. But yay? We're not alone.
Torvik already had Marquette as very slight dogs to Nova before this game. That's not gonna get better.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:47:17 PMMarquette's problems are definitely unique from the problems St. John's had tonight. But yay? We're not alone.
Torvik already had Marquette as very slight dogs to Nova before this game. That's not gonna get better.
SJU played Nova at Finneran tonight while the MU game is at Wells Fargo. fwiw
MU has two problems. Health. Shooting.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:47:17 PMMarquette's problems are definitely unique from the problems St. John's had tonight. But yay? We're not alone.
Torvik already had Marquette as very slight dogs to Nova before this game. That's not gonna get better.
They're different probs with different margins for error. A lot of teams brick threes. St.J has been terrible all year. But they get a ton of offensive rebs. We're not great on the rebounding front and have games where we can't get to the FT line. Ergo, our margin for error is relatively small when we are abysmal from downtown.
This result doesn't make me feel any better about the game on the 21st.
Why even travel to Philly? Forfeit, not winning anyway. Just rest the guys up and get healthy.
This place is so full of chicken littles.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 12, 2025, 08:13:17 PMThis result doesn't make me feel any better about the game on the 21st.
We played pretty well at Creighton in the 2H. It's conceivable we can get it together, although I get being concerned.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 12, 2025, 08:15:39 PMWhy even travel to Philly? Forfeit, not winning anyway. Just rest the guys up and get healthy.
This place is so full of chicken littles.
Right, because that's totally what people are saying. Or, you could admit Marquette might need to play better than they have been to beat the Villanova team of the past couple weeks. It's ok to say that.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 08:18:45 PMRight, because that's totally what people are saying. Or, you could admit Marquette might need to play better than they have been to beat the Villanova team of the past couple weeks. It's ok to say that.
They can't play better. This will be a loss and Wades is right.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:47:17 PMMarquette's problems are definitely unique from the problems St. John's had tonight. But yay? We're not alone.
Torvik already had Marquette as very slight dogs to Nova before this game. That's not gonna get better.
Torvik doesn't take into account that Shaka simply doesn't lose to Nova.
X with a huge second half lead on PU. sigh
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Nova doesn't have a shot blocker. We got to to the line a lot vs them at Fiserv and did damage in the paint. I would be in full attack mode from the opening tip.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 08:18:45 PMRight, because that's totally what people are saying. Or, you could admit Marquette might need to play better than they have been to beat the Villanova team of the past couple weeks. It's ok to say that.
I have said that many times. We're playing bad basketball. But the idea that a result from another game makes someone feel even more worried about a game is chicken little crap. It's college basketball. Matchups matter. Teams are inconsistent. Worrying about a game that is no different than all but maybe 2 Big East road games. They're all winnable, but they're all tough.
And this whole time I just thought Brent Hampton was incompetent...
https://x.com/TheMorningHang/status/1889863432608030848?t=v5hLMw5VGcOnBZqlVXDrSA&s=19
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2025, 07:56:52 PMMU has two problems. Health. Shooting.
Forgot some, confidence, rebounding, defensive lapses.However, you are spot on with shooting. Hope the guys coming in next year can shoot.
Does making the tourney save Neptune's job?
Quote from: 1SE on February 13, 2025, 05:36:27 AMDoes making the tourney save Neptune's job?
Of course. I doubt it's much in jeopardy even if he makes the NIT.
MU won't cover @Nova
Smith may be done for the rest of the regular season:
https://x.com/Jaydimaio/status/1889850279556006211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1889850279556006211%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Another extremely entertaining Big East game last night.
Nova has now beaten UConn and St. John's, and it lost to Creighton only because of a banked-in 3 from the deep corner.
Of course, Nova also lost to us by 13 in the rare game that Marquette controlled all night long, and they barely beat a Providence team we beat by 100 points on the road.
We match up pretty well with Nova, and I look forward to us collecting another Q1 win.
Xavier blows out DePaul. If they finish higher than us in the Big East they will get a better seed than us. Needed DePaul to win
Sorber couldn't put weight on his foot as he leaves against Butler. Couldn't tell if it was foot or ankle, but I believe they said foot.
No video of the actual injury that I can find.
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1890850034280693786?t=txAtyh8ZxogJDv0L2E1i-w&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 02:04:03 PMNo video of the actual injury that I can find.
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1890850034280693786?t=txAtyh8ZxogJDv0L2E1i-w&s=19
Georgetown radio says he fractured his third metatarsal
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 02:04:03 PMNo video of the actual injury that I can find.
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1890850034280693786?t=txAtyh8ZxogJDv0L2E1i-w&s=19
Looks like he's putting all of his weight on it.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2025, 02:05:58 PMLooks like he's putting all of his weight on it.
Just read Twitter and flipped over quickly to hear them talking about the food.
https://x.com/MDtheDream/status/1890848835947094114?t=IoK3asRyzScisVR_stjB2A&s=19
Seton Hall may be the best team in the Big East
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 15, 2025, 02:24:14 PMSeton Hall may be the best team in the Big East
I'm fine with that narrative heading into Tuesday.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 01:08:23 PMXavier blows out DePaul. If they finish higher than us in the Big East they will get a better seed than us. Needed DePaul to win
playing better than marquette, beat marquette on the road more recently, may have same record, if they have the same record, why would they not have a higher seed?
marquette may have to beat them in yhe BE tourney to earn a higher seed.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 15, 2025, 02:26:13 PMplaying better than marquette, beat marquette on the road more recently, may have same record, if they have the same record, why would they not have a higher seed?
marquette may have to beat them in yhe BE tourney to earn a higher seed.
I'm scared.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 15, 2025, 02:26:13 PMplaying better than marquette, beat marquette on the road more recently, may have same record, if they have the same record, why would they not have a higher seed?
marquette may have to beat them in yhe BE tourney to earn a higher seed.
Drunk or high?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 02:09:43 PMJust read Twitter and flipped over quickly to hear them talking about the food.
https://x.com/MDtheDream/status/1890848835947094114?t=IoK3asRyzScisVR_stjB2A&s=19
[/quotQuote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 02:09:43 PMJust read Twitter and flipped over quickly to hear them talking about the food.
https://x.com/MDtheDream/status/1890848835947094114?t=IoK3asRyzScisVR_stjB2A&s=19
They have good concessions?
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 15, 2025, 02:26:13 PMplaying better than marquette, beat marquette on the road more recently, may have same record, if they have the same record, why would they not have a higher seed?
marquette may have to beat them in yhe BE tourney to earn a higher seed.
Is this a bit?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 02:29:52 PMDrunk or high?
At the moment Xavier would roll Radford while Marquette would struggle. Hope that helps in explaining in your terms.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 15, 2025, 02:37:51 PMAt the moment Xavier would roll Radford while Marquette would struggle. Hope that helps in explaining in your terms.
You just said that Marquette and Xavier may have the same record.
Your attempts at a troll get rescinded after comments like that.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 15, 2025, 02:36:38 PMMore like, "I'm miserable". Oh well.
Me? I'm not sitting around lamenting over how good Madison is.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 15, 2025, 02:52:43 PMMe? I'm not sitting around lamenting over how good Madison is.
No. I was talking about Point. Sorry I wasn't clear.
I guess I missed that story about Eric Cobb who Hurley coached. Wow....just wow.
Fox should not be interviewing former players in the middle of the game they are broadcasting. They've done this for some time too. Totally ridiculous.
Seton Hall getting hosed by the refs and still up 7.
A game at Seton Hall, they can't buy a call, and the announcers are interviewing Donovan Clingan for a huge stretch of this 2nd half. That'd be so annoying to sit through as a fan of the home team.
Addae-Wusu back for the Hall is bad news for our boys.
NVM!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:31:46 PMAddae-Wusu back for the Hall is bad news for our boys.
Worried.
What is Seton Halls record with him? Is he that big of a difference maker?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 03:37:54 PMI've actually soiled myself in fear
Rico a Jimmy Burner?
https://x.com/BricksCenter/status/1889915565466329442?t=_d_pzO5tJEyoUgb_MUlJkQ&s=19
Are you all even watching the game? Makes one wonder
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:42:26 PMAre you all even watching the game? Makes one wonder
He has 7 points and 2 assists
I flipped over to Alabama/Auburn.
A 5 second call!!!!!!!
SH has a glimpse of hope.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 03:48:02 PMA 5 second call!!!!!!!
SH has a glimpse of hope.
Quick 2 or do you unload from distance?
Omg.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 03:50:12 PMQuick 2 or do you unload from distance?
NO WAYYYY.
WHAT A COLLAPSE BY UCONN. SETON HALL GETS IT TO OT
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 03:51:08 PMNO WAYYYY.
WHAT A COLLAPSE BY UCONN. SETON HALL GETS IT TO OT
What happened?
Hopefully Fox interviews Cam Spencer during overtime.
That's why you foul up three
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:31:46 PMAddae-Wusu back for the Hall is bad news for our boys.
I know ball
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:52:18 PMWhat happened?
UConn blew a 7 point lead with like a minute left. SHU hit a 3 with 3 seconds left to force OT.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:52:18 PMWhat happened?
Incredible sequence. The Hall misses a dunk, it bounces to about 35 feet from the rim, swing pass, A-Wussu hits the triple.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 15, 2025, 03:52:46 PMThat's why you foul up three
They contested a missed dunk which actually hurt them. Just let him slam it and you have the ball up one. Instead, he misses and the long rebound causes chaos.
Weird. UConn is clearly better but are in overtime at Seton Hall. That has to be the biggest surprise in the history of college basketball.
Foul off the ball on The Hall?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 03:42:26 PMAre you all even watching the game? Makes one wonder
I'm not watching. How many games has he been out this year? Would they have been top 100 Ken Pom with him in the lineup?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 03:55:26 PMFoul off the ball on The Hall?
Seton Hall only in the single bonus too. Foul would've been ideal for UConn.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 15, 2025, 03:55:58 PMI'm not watching. How many games has he been out this year? Would they have been top 100 Ken Pom with him in the lineup?
No
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 15, 2025, 03:55:58 PMI'm not watching. How many games has he been out this year? Would they have been top 100 Ken Pom with him in the lineup?
No. Although I should probably play the lottery with the way that satirical comment turned out to be prescient
I know one thing. Had he played against MU we would've lost.
The Hall with some brutal possessions to put it mildly.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 15, 2025, 02:26:13 PMplaying better than marquette, beat marquette on the road more recently, may have same record, if they have the same record, why would they not have a higher seed?
marquette may have to beat them in yhe BE tourney to earn a higher seed.
LOL
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 15, 2025, 03:52:46 PMThat's why you foul up three
There was way too much time left to set the defense to foul intentionally.
Wow. Not exactly good execution by UCONN there.
So, is Georgetown still back? Butler hangs 97 on them at Hinkle
Missing chippies is death.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 04:09:05 PMWow. Not exactly good execution by UCONN there.
Seton Hall walking the ball up the court down 3 with 12 seconds left
Omg!!!
UConn collapses more than once.
Seton Hall beats UConn at home like the 5th straight year
UCON & Hurley sux
Massive choke job by UConn.
Uh.....Hurley does not look particularly happy.
And that's why fouling up by 3 with too much time left is no guarantee of success.
That was incredible
Wow. Announcers kind of lost their mind with the "should he miss the second?" (With 9 seconds left). UConn really choked.
Is that the first time ever a team with a losing record beat a team with a winning record in college basketball in the month of February?
Hope everyone enjoyed our last win of the season on Tuesday.
Hurley secretly wanted his alma mater to win
I'm not sure I've seen two blown leads like that in regulation and then overtime.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 04:13:12 PMWow. Announcers kind of lost their mind with the "should he miss the second?" (With 9 seconds left). UConn really choked.
Their minds weren't there all game long.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 04:14:01 PMIs that the first time ever a team with a losing record beat a team with a winning record in college basketball in the month of February?
Yes. Biggest upset in the history of college basketball.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 04:13:12 PMWow. Announcers kind of lost their mind with the "should he miss the second?" (With 9 seconds left). UConn really choked.
Hurley inbound play sux
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 04:13:12 PMWow. Announcers kind of lost their mind with the "should he miss the second?" (With 9 seconds left). UConn really choked.
McNeely lost his mind fouling that early too.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2025, 04:14:21 PMHope everyone enjoyed our last win of the season on Tuesday.
Are we the worst team in the Big East?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 04:15:25 PMTheir minds weren't there all game long.
Welcome to Donny Marshall calling a UConn game.
Seton Hall sucks but nice reminder to the team not to take them lightly on Tuesday.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2025, 04:15:37 PMYes. Biggest upset in the history of college basketball.
You simply can't lose that game. Wonder if Hurley is on the hot seat? Good teams never lose to bad teams.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2025, 04:17:37 PMCountry.
If we can't beat UConn at home like Seton Hall did, it's proof we're not good. Good teams don't lose to bad teams. Ever.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 04:16:48 PMYou simply can't lose that game. Wonder if Hurley is on the hot seat? Good teams never lose to bad teams.
Your Wildesque wit aside Rico, that was a bad loss. It's how they lost dude. Up 7 with 36 secs left in regulation, and then up 5, with the ball in overtime, and 48 secs left.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 04:19:18 PMYour Wildesque wit aside Rico, that was a bad loss. It's how they lost dude. Up 7 with 36 secs left in regulation, and then up 5, with the ball in overtime, and 48 secs left.
Stuff happens. That's why you play 40 minutes and sometimes 45
Between this game, and UW beating Purdue, I'm pretty sure we are now on the bubble.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 04:15:58 PMWelcome to Donny Marshall calling a UConn game.
Donny near end of regulation: "Glad to see Karaban get out of his slump"
Karaban shot 2 for 7 from three today, real slump breaker.... Coming into the game he was 4 for his last 37 three attempts, making him now six for his last 44 (13%). He has lost some big time money from not declaring for NBA draft last year. And maybe Tre Norman is not currently the worst outside shooter in BE.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2025, 04:16:32 PMSeton Hall sucks but nice reminder to the team not to take them lightly on Tuesday.
Won't cover
Quote from: nyg on February 15, 2025, 04:26:16 PMDonny near end of regulation: "Glad to see Karaban get out of his slump"
Karaban shot 2 for 7 from three today, real slump breaker.... Coming into the game he was 4 for his last 37 three attempts, making him now six for his last 44 (13%). He has lost some big time money from not declaring for NBA draft last year. And maybe Tre Norman is not currently the worst outside shooter in BE.
He also acted like Karaban was Larry Bird when he got a lay-up cutting off the ball. "That's why Karaban is so valuable" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So far, no scooper has had the balls to claim "I knew Seton Hall was going to win", but if someone shows up? I'm calling Bullsh!t!
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1890886984287084625?t=hCDLTyjQIrbXms7adOjqng&s=19
Quote from: nyg on February 15, 2025, 04:26:16 PMDonny near end of regulation: "Glad to see Karaban get out of his slump"
Karaban shot 2 for 7 from three today, real slump breaker.... Coming into the game he was 4 for his last 37 three attempts, making him now six for his last 44 (13%). He has lost some big time money from not declaring for NBA draft last year. And maybe Tre Norman is not currently the worst outside shooter in BE.
Quote from: nyg on February 15, 2025, 04:26:16 PMDonny near end of regulation: "Glad to see Karaban get out of his slump"
Karaban shot 2 for 7 from three today, real slump breaker.... Coming into the game he was 4 for his last 37 three attempts, making him now six for his last 44 (13%). He has lost some big time money from not declaring for NBA draft last year. And maybe Tre Norman is not currently the worst outside shooter in BE.
Karaban is the Pete Alonso of college basketball. Bet on himself and now paying the price.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2025, 04:35:58 PMSo far, no scooper has had the balls to claim "I knew Seton Hall was going to win", but if someone shows up? I'm calling Bullsh!t!
I knew Seton Hall was going to win.
Seriously, I recorded the game and just now watched it. Holy sh!t.
UConnScoop must be going wild!
I had three big parlays riding on that game. Seems like Dan Hurley's teams are always finding new ways to ruin my day.
The Dence up 12 at the half on Nova.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 05:54:23 PMThe Dence up 12 at the half on Nova.
Will help MU's cause
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2025, 05:21:37 PMI knew Seton Hall was going to win.
Seriously, I recorded the game and just now watched it. Holy sh!t.
UConnScoop must be going wild!
The rumor is that Hurley is going to take the Virginia job before Shaka even has a chance for an interview. Hurley knows that the AD and UCONN's board is going to fire him for this game.
Tear up that lifetime contract.
The Dence is treating Nova like a hs team. Wow.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 06:24:02 PMThe Dence is treating Nova like a hs team. Wow.
Shouldn't bother showing up to Nova after they beat SJU. Shouldn't bother showing up against SHU since they beat UCONN. Shouldn't show up to play Providence because they're beating Nova, who beat SJU. And obviously shouldn't bother showing up against SJU or UCONN because they beat us.and Georgetown should've beat us, so might as well skip that game too.
Fun season everyone!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 04:18:55 PMIf we can't beat UConn at home like Seton Hall did, it's proof we're not good. Good teams don't lose to bad teams. Ever.
That's not true, Bucky lost to Marquette
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2025, 06:39:55 PMShouldn't bother showing up to Nova after they beat SJU. Shouldn't bother showing up against SHU since they beat UCONN. Shouldn't show up to play Providence because they're beating Nova, who beat SJU. And obviously shouldn't bother showing up against SJU or UCONN because they beat us.and Georgetown should've beat us, so might as well skip that game too.
Fun season everyone!
Works for me!
Above and beyond UConn choking, so many crazy things had to happen for Seton Hall to win that game.
The two that stood out to me were: SH missing a dunk but chasing down the long rebound that led to the tying 3; and a 25% FT shooter with about the ugliest pair of makes possible (including banking one in).
And I haven't even mentioned how the team run by "the best coach in the f%cking sport" was repeatedly unable to inbound the ball against the worst team in the f%cking Big East.
Almost an impossible outcome. Ya gotta love sports!
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2025, 07:22:59 PMAbove and beyond UConn choking, so many crazy things had to happen for Seton Hall to win that game.
The two that stood out to me were: SH missing a dunk but chasing down the long rebound that led to the tying 3; and a 25% FT shooter with about the ugliest pair of makes possible (including banking one in).
And I haven't even mentioned how the team run by "the best coach in the f%cking sport" was repeatedly unable to inbound the ball against the worst team in the f%cking Big East.
Almost an impossible outcome. Ya gotta love sports!
Yep, an improbable win for the Pirates. But they did it. UConn was unable to inbound with the pressure.
Can't remember which Eeyore it was who said UConn woulda gonna 20-0 in the Big East had McNeeley played in every game.
Willie w-eeyore-ior?
So I've been off scoop for some days and hope to read some of y'alls takes on some crazy results.
I really like the UCONN humbling we've seen this year. Certainly their success is good for the BE but Hurley can be unbearable! They will be a dangerous matchup for a higher seed.
My very unlikely parlay that ends with MU tied for the BE crown is still alive.
STJ lost the one-off game to NOVA and if they can beat CR today at home and lose to UC, ALL that's left is MU runs the table....that's all😉
Side note: I figure Creighton wins out after STJ today so they have to lose.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 16, 2025, 09:21:29 AMSo I've been off scoop for some days and hope to read some of y'alls takes on some crazy results.
I really like the UCONN humbling we've seen this year. Certainly their success is good for the BE but Hurley can be unbearable! They will be a dangerous matchup for a higher seed.
My very unlikely parlay that ends with MU tied for the BE crown is still alive.
STJ lost the one-off game to NOVA and if they can beat CR today at home and lose to UC, ALL that's left is MU runs the table....that's all😉
Side note: I figure Creighton wins out after STJ today so they have to lose.
This is Hurley's worst defensive team in his time in Storrs. It's somewhat perplexing how bad/mediocre their defense is
I'm more interested in Marquette getting up to a #4 seed than I am with finding a way of getting a share of the BE regular season title, but both require a nice finish in the BE. The 5/12 NCAA matchups are kind of scary for the 5s.
BUT...the thread is BE Results so let's hope we find a way to finish strong and that SJU stumbles a bit. Just to watch Pitino get pissed off if for no other reason.
I'm torn today.
Part of me thinks I'd rather have Creighton win to keep our BE hopes alive, but the other part of me would rather see St. John's win a BE Title than Creighton. Creighton has become one of my least favorite BE schools so I don't want to see them win a title.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 10:57:07 AMI'm torn today.
Part of me thinks I'd rather have Creighton win to keep our BE hopes alive, but the other part of me would rather see St. John's win a BE Title than Creighton. Creighton has become one of my least favorite BE schools so I don't want to see them win a title.
Actually I think STJ win gives MU a better chance. I think CR wins out after today without much of a sweat. So MU winning BE needs CR to lose and UC getting STJ. It's all unlikely. I also like STJ as a nicer story than CR.
MU just needs to win I know and a good finish to the season, will be what we really want.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 16, 2025, 11:06:29 AMActually I think STJ win gives MU a better chance. I think CR wins out after today without much of a sweat. So MU winning BE needs CR to lose and UC getting STJ. It's all unlikely. I also like STJ as a nicer story than CR.
MU just needs to win I know and a good finish to the season, will be what we really want.
You may be right...an added element too though, is that MU may need St Johns to lose to pass them in the protected seed ranks.
Still torn!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 11:41:02 AMYou may be right...an added element too though, is that MU may need St Johns to lose to pass them in the protected seed ranks.
Still torn!
This is the bigger deal imo. We want Michigan and St.J to lose today.
Wow I turned the uconn game off when they were up 7 with 3? To go or so. Just saw the result now damn
So much for Smith being out for the year.
https://x.com/RogRubin/status/1891198190763794802?t=4ZCkenETP8GDCVEXskAhNA&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 12:59:15 PMSo much for Smith being out for the year.
https://x.com/RogRubin/status/1891198190763794802?t=4ZCkenETP8GDCVEXskAhNA&s=19
A coach trying to use an injury to throw off his opponent's preparation going into a game that could just about lock up at least a share for a BE title? Never seen that before.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2025, 01:03:11 PMA coach trying to use an injury to throw off his opponent's preparation going into a game that could just about lock up at least a share for a BE title? Never seen that before.
I think he's actually injured though. He has looked rough lately.
We'll see if he has any substantial impact.
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2025, 07:22:59 PMAbove and beyond UConn choking, so many crazy things had to happen for Seton Hall to win that game.
The two that stood out to me were: SH missing a dunk but chasing down the long rebound that led to the tying 3; and a 25% FT shooter with about the ugliest pair of makes possible (including banking one in).
And I haven't even mentioned how the team run by "the best coach in the f%cking sport" was repeatedly unable to inbound the ball against the worst team in the f%cking Big East.
Almost an impossible outcome. Ya gotta love sports!
It was an entertaining game to watch (moreso than MU ;) ). Watching UConn's struggles inbounding the ball was great fun considering all the grief MU gets. Especially with the basketball savant Karaban with the ball. Those 2 FTs were epic, especially the missiled second off the backboard. SH had a lot of movement in their offense yesterday, more than MU recently. I always enjoy watching Addae-Wusu play. Perhaps he was the missing piece for the Pirates? This result should make our guys take Tuesday's game seriously.
Game over. St. John's just terrible right now
I think we want St John's here if we want the best shot at a BE title.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 16, 2025, 02:18:18 PMI think we want St John's here if we want the best shot at a BE title.
but Creighton for an even better shot at a Top 4 protected seed. Pick your poison really.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 16, 2025, 02:18:18 PMI think we want St John's here if we want the best shot at a BE title.
Can't do it
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 10:57:07 AMI'm torn today.
Part of me thinks I'd rather have Creighton win to keep our BE hopes alive, but the other part of me would rather see St. John's win a BE Title than Creighton. Creighton has become one of my least favorite BE schools so I don't want to see them win a title.
Creighton is a very good program with an excellent coach who gets the most possible out of his recruits. Nebraska is not a hotbed for basketball and Omaha is not an attractive destination for many recruits.
If Kalkbrenner just broke his foot, Creighton is done for.
He seemed worried. Awkward fall.
Uh oh. Kalkenbanger just went down. Could be curtains for the Bluejays.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 03:43:14 PMCreighton is a very good program with an excellent coach who gets the most possible out of his recruits. Nebraska is not a hotbed for basketball and Omaha is not an attractive destination for many recruits.
Milwaukee is renown as a destination for recruits
The way Kalk was holding his foot makes you think of Dom - 5th metatarsal.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 03:44:38 PMIf Kalkbrenner just broke his foot, Creighton is done for.
He seemed worried. Awkward fall.
Brutal.
St.J's seems to get away with a lot of contact.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 16, 2025, 03:48:07 PMThe way Kalk was holding his foot makes you think of Dom - 5th metatarsal.
Right where my head went too.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 03:43:14 PMCreighton is a very good program with an excellent coach who gets the most possible out of his recruits. Nebraska is not a hotbed for basketball and Omaha is not an attractive destination for many recruits.
I have no idea what this means. Is Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Ames, Lubbock, Gainesville, etc, etc, etc, a "hotbed for basketball"?
He doesn't know what it means either
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 16, 2025, 03:53:44 PMHe doesn't know what it means either
It's a relic of an era where a lot of players stayed near their home. He hasn't figured out how things have changed since then.
Good news for Creighton. You never want to see a guy injured.
It's either a miracle cure or Kalk's a soccer player.
Fanta comparing him to Willis Reed is a bit much.
A bit of a stretch Fanta with Kalky/Willis Reed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 04:02:40 PMGood news for Creighton. You never want to see a guy injured.
Disagree
Kalk definitely not Willis Reeding out there.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 03:43:14 PMCreighton is a very good program with an excellent coach who gets the most possible out of his recruits. Nebraska is not a hotbed for basketball and Omaha is not an attractive destination for many recruits.
Shaka's been better than McDermott. Why the praise for him but constant whining about MU?
Shocked Scoop called Kalk's career over only to have him back within the same game.
Donny Marshall "used to play this game." Nice to see him patting himself on the back for predicting Creighton would foul, down 5, with 1:08 to go.
Who has the tiebreaker between us and Creighton? Ty.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2025, 04:24:17 PMShaka's been better than McDermott. Why the praise for him but constant whining about MU?
I can answer that. Shaka lost his first 3 against McDermott and Wingdings kept saying McDermott owns Shaka and now Shaka is 4-2 over the last 3 years against him and he can't give credit to Shaka
I didn't see anyone on here do that.
A Creighton Twitter account with 13,000 followers did though.
https://x.com/liamkeating7/status/1891246970859110486?t=YdnwCsKCp3TWGUvIevbHqQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 16, 2025, 04:30:14 PMI didn't see anyone on here do that.
A Creighton Twitter account with 13,000 followers did though.
https://x.com/liamkeating7/status/1891246970859110486?t=YdnwCsKCp3TWGUvIevbHqQ&s=19
Is Lis Frank related to Anne?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2025, 04:31:21 PMIs Lis Frank related to Anne?
He was in the ballpark (badum tsss)
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 04:27:30 PMDonny Marshall "used to play this gane." Nice to see him patting himself on the back for predicting Creighton would foul, down 5, with 1:08 to go.
Who has the tiebreaker between us and Creighton? Ty.
Depends on future results and how the standings would end up but Creighton has the inside track with wins in the bank over both St. John's and UConn.
If both teams would win out it would depend on whether Xavier or Georgetown finishes higher in the standings. Otherwise, there are too many combinations and permutations to think about.
A Lisfranc injury is a joint injury, not a fracture.
Those FT's at the end gave me a nice middle.
Was rooting against SJU but the good news is we'll see them again.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 04:22:18 PMKalk definitely not Willis Reeding out there.
Willis Reed was ineffective that game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 04:27:30 PMDonny Marshall "used to play this game." Nice to see him patting himself on the back for predicting Creighton would foul, down 5, with 1:08 to go.
Who has the tiebreaker between us and Creighton? Ty.
All teams who are equal in the standings get a conference championship, no? If the tiebreaker is only for BET seeding, I don't really care who has it.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 03:43:14 PMCreighton is a very good program with an excellent coach who gets the most possible out of his recruits. Nebraska is not a hotbed for basketball and Omaha is not an attractive destination for many recruits.
He does run a tight plantation
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 03:52:44 PMI have no idea what this means. Is Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Ames, Lubbock, Gainesville, etc, etc, etc, a "hotbed for basketball"?
I agree Muggsy, Waco comes to mind...
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2025, 04:44:28 PMWillis Reed was ineffective that game.
You have to remember the famous line from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".
I saw that game on TV in 1970. When Reed hobbled onto the court during warmups, the crowd went berserk. He made two quick jump shots, but those were his only points of the game. He also had 3 rebounds in 27 minutes on the court. (Thank you to Basketball Reference for the box score details).
The legend is that Reed's mere presence inspired the Knicks to a superhuman effort that propelled them to a 69-42 halftime lead from where they coasted to victory.
Some of us watching questioned whether a team of professionals that was the best team in the NBA all season was inspired by Reed in a way they wouldn't have been otherwise with the championship on the line.
But, the legend has lived on.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 16, 2025, 04:58:54 PMHe does run a tight plantation
Willie yearns for our team to have scrappy underdogs like Steven Ashworth, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Ty Davis, Jackson McAndrew, Mason Miller, Isaac Traudt, and Fedor Zugic.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 16, 2025, 05:31:49 PMWillie yearns for our team to have scrappy underdogs like Steven Ashworth, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Ty Davis, Jackson McAndrew, Mason Miller, Isaac Traudt, and Fedor Zugic.
Definitely not the last one. Name's too funny.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 05:05:52 PMYou have to remember the famous line from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".
I saw that game on TV in 1970. When Reed hobbled onto the court during warmups, the crowd went berserk. He made two quick jump shots, but those were his only points of the game. He also had 3 rebounds in 27 minutes on the court. (Thank you to Basketball Reference for the box score details).
The legend is that Reed's mere presence inspired the Knicks to a superhuman effort that propelled them to a 69-42 halftime lead from where they coasted to victory.
Some of us watching questioned whether a team of professionals that was the best team in the NBA all season was inspired by Reed in a way they wouldn't have been otherwise with the championship on the line.
But, the legend has lived on.
Walt Frazier had the least-recognized great game in NBA Finals history - 36 points, 19 assists - because all anybody talks about is Willis Reed.
Frazier himself has said on multiple occasions that he was inspired by Reed playing, FWIW.
You're right that the Knicks were the best team during the season, but the Lakers had just routed the Reed-less Knicks in Game 6, with Wilt going for 45 points and 27 rebounds. I'm guessing the Lakers were overwhelming favorites going into Game 7.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 16, 2025, 05:01:37 PMI agree Muggsy, Waco comes to mind...
Spokane. Maybe I'm missing what hotbed means? My thinking is a place where there are elite young hoopers like a number of cities. Of course if that's the case, there's not really a correlation between these areas and where kids go to school.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 06:13:51 PMSpokane. Maybe I'm missing what hotbed means? My thinking is a place where there are elite young hoopers like a number of cities. Of course if that's the case there's not really a correction between these areas and where kids go to school.
Location matters very little anymore. Creighton was dropping bags for recruits, too, before NIL.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2025, 06:19:55 PMLocation matters very little anymore. Creighton was dropping bags for recruits, too, before NIL.
I'm not sure location of the school ever really mattered that much in the modern era? Maybe UCLA.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 06:28:19 PMI'm not sure location of the school ever really mattered that much in the modern era? Maybe UCLA.
Agree
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 16, 2025, 05:31:49 PMWillie yearns for our team to have scrappy underdogs like Steven Ashworth, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Ty Davis, Jackson McAndrew, Mason Miller, Isaac Traudt, and Fedor Zugic.
I would rather have a team of scrappy underdogs with a 7 foot aircraft carrier than an overrated team that struggles with 3s, can't rebound and centers that think they can shoot the 3 like Dirk.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 03:52:44 PMI have no idea what this means. Is Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Ames, Lubbock, Gainesville, etc, etc, etc, a "hotbed for basketball"?
I didn't talk about those. The post was about Nebraska and Omaha. Sorry you had no idea what that means. Creighton is a good program with an excellent Coach. Is that not clear? Good grief, I have no idea what some posts mean.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:42:49 PMI would rather have a team of scrappy underdogs with a 7 foot aircraft carrier than an overrated team that struggles with 3s, can't rebound and centers that think they can shoot the 3 like Dirk.
Whole plantation of them I bet
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:49:37 PMI didn't talk about those. The post was about Nebraska and Omaha. Sorry you had no idea what that means. Creighton is a good program with an excellent Coach. Is that not clear? Good grief, I have no idea what some posts mean.
Some?
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:49:37 PMI didn't talk about those. The post was about Nebraska and Omaha. Sorry you had no idea what that means. Creighton is a good program with an excellent Coach. Is that not clear? Good grief, I have no idea what some posts mean.
How is McDermott an "excellent" coach in your mind, but you trash the team you follow that is headed by an arguably more accomplished coach?
It's wild how some people hype up their coach when there are others in the league with way more accomplishments. McDermott's solid, but let's not act like he's on the same level as some of the other guys in the conference. Fans are loyal, though, even when the stats don't quite match up.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:49:37 PMI didn't talk about those. The post was about Nebraska and Omaha. Sorry you had no idea what that means. Creighton is a good program with an excellent Coach. Is that not clear? Good grief, I have no idea what some posts mean.
I'm lost, but ty for the explanation Willie.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 07:14:18 PMI'm lost, but ty for the explanation Willie.
The best way to understand a willie post, is to hit yourself in the head a few times with a hammer.
Yep. And one could argue pretty easily that there's not much of an argument.
Compared to McDermott, Shaka has a better career winning percentage, a better D1 winning percentage, a better Big East winning percentage, the only Final Four appearance, and the only full-season Big East championship.
McDermott does have a 3-2 edge in getting beyond the first weekend of the NCAAT.
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2025, 07:21:10 PMYep. And one could argue pretty easily that there's not much of an argument.
Compared to McDermott, Shaka has a better career winning percentage, a better D1 winning percentage, a better Big East winning percentage, the only Final Four appearance, and the only full-season Big East championship.
McDermott does have a 3-2 edge in getting beyond the first weekend of the NCAAT.
Big East Tournament Champion for Shaka as well.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:42:49 PMI would rather have a team of scrappy underdogs with a 7 foot aircraft carrier than an overrated team that struggles with 3s, can't rebound and centers that think they can shoot the 3 like Dirk.
Comedy
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 06:49:37 PMI didn't talk about those. The post was about Nebraska and Omaha. Sorry you had no idea what that means. Creighton is a good program with an excellent Coach. Is that not clear? Good grief, I have no idea what some posts mean.
You have no idea whatsoever
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 07:14:18 PMI'm lost, but ty for the explanation Willie.
No you're not, he is
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2025, 04:27:30 PMDonny Marshall "used to play this game." Nice to see him patting himself on the back for predicting Creighton would foul, down 5, with 1:08 to go.
Who has the tiebreaker between us and Creighton? Ty.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 04:34:44 PMDepends on future results and how the standings would end up but Creighton has the inside track with wins in the bank over both St. John's and UConn.
If both teams would win out it would depend on whether Xavier or Georgetown finishes higher in the standings. Otherwise, there are too many combinations and permutations to think about.
A split with St. John's for Marquette, would make record against UConn as the next tiebreaker.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 16, 2025, 10:48:22 PMA split with St. John's for Marquette, would make record against UConn as the next tiebreaker.
Yes, but if both teams win out, which was my premise, that would be tied too.
As far as the tiebreaker goes I think it's only for seeding purposes. BE has cochamps.
And if somehow we win out and STJ loses to UC (BIG IF), all our records would be 1-1 vs each other and UC, so the next comparison would be to the next highest in the standings...looks to be X and NOVA which we and STJ have our one-off loses....so as wisblue pointed out CR would have the upper hand....but seeding in the BET is pretty moot with 4 good teams I think.
No. Seeding is huge. Would much rather be in 2/3 side with CU and have 1/4 be StJ and UCONN. for game playing purposes but also Thursday game time (night vs afternoon). #pray
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 17, 2025, 09:00:52 AMNo. Seeding is huge. Would much rather be in 2/3 side with CU and have 1/4 be StJ and UCONN. for game playing purposes but also Thursday game time (night vs afternoon). #pray
Seeding is huge. I want to stay out of the 4/5 game, which will be against Xavier.
I just couldn't root for Creighton, and I found myself admiring how hard St. John's competes.
Perhaps MU fans lamenting our missed 3s noticed that Ashworth missed several wide-open looks down the stretch?
Given how our first matchup with the Johnnies turned out, we definitely can beat them at home in the regular-season finale. Lots of work to do before then, though - this is a big week.
Agree with others about seeding for the BET: 2 or 3 is the place to be.
I was rooting for St. John's all the way. Creighton's remaining 5 games should be W's while St. John's still has to play UConn and MU. So our best shot is to win out and have UConn beat St. John's, leaving a 3-way tie for 1st.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 17, 2025, 12:19:39 PMI was rooting for St. John's all the way. Creighton's remaining 5 games should be W's while St. John's still has to play UConn and MU. So our best shot is to win out and have UConn beat St. John's, leaving a 3-way tie for 1st.
For the sake of the record books, a tie is as good as an outright championship. The trophy is the same, the banner looks the same. Though, I'd prefer if they just awarded one champion a year using some kind of tiebreaker. Otherwise, there is that silly hypothetical where every team could get a trophy/banner if they all finished 10-10.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 17, 2025, 01:12:35 PMevery team could get a trophy/banner if they all finished 10-10
Right, that's silly, we know DePaul will never be able to win 10 BE games (they never have before).
Hell, in their non-independent days, they only got to 10+ wins in conference (CUSA) 3 times.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 17, 2025, 12:19:39 PMI was rooting for St. John's all the way. Creighton's remaining 5 games should be W's while St. John's still has to play UConn and MU. So our best shot is to win out and have UConn beat St. John's, leaving a 3-way tie for 1st.
Xavier might trip up Creighton, but I agree that they have a fairly easy path to running the table with the caveat that weird things happen, like Georgetown's 81-57 hosing of Creighton earlier in the season and Seton Hall's W over UCONN.
To me, the best part of the winning out is at least a 4 seed in the NCAA. A shared title is nice, but being one of 2 or 3 teams takes a bit off of the title.
I join the chorus of those saying they'd strongly prefer that Marquette wins out ... all the way through April 7.
https://x.com/CU_Jays_Truther/status/1891540032227328289?t=nuqmWCHGWmuCGA7V9v7M5w&s=19
https://x.com/CU_Jays_Truther/status/1891573926901264620?t=cY428lb4hdmcp-wrye73qA&s=19
<shrug>
They attack the basket and hit the boards. Those things are going to draw fouls.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 17, 2025, 02:52:46 PM<shrug>
They attack the basket and hit the boards. Those things are going to draw fouls.
Especially at home in front of a rabid crowd.
no, it is a conspiracy
Interesting foul statistics.
Villanova up 8 at HT on the road at UConn.
Huskies looking all kinds of out of sorts.
Hurleys got some work tah do
Of course Solo Ball missed 3 fairly wide open 3s in the 5 minutes I watched
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2025, 06:23:41 PMVillanova up 8 at HT on the road at UConn.
Huskies looking all kinds of out of sorts.
Hurleys got some work tah do
Of course Solo Ball missed 3 fairly wide open 3s in the 5 minutes I watched
Was just about to post that regarding Ball. Would have been nice to see that in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2025, 06:27:04 PMWas just about to post that regarding Ball. Would have been nice to see that in Milwaukee.
We might have ptsd and every 3P shot that leaves his hands feels like it should be in
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2025, 06:23:41 PMVillanova up 8 at HT on the road at UConn.
Huskies looking all kinds of out of sorts.
Hurleys got some work tah do
Of course Solo Ball missed 3 fairly wide open 3s in the 5 minutes I watched
Figures. But we want Nova to punk them regardless.
UConn / Hurley sux
That is what Hurley gets for going to the portal and signing 1 and Jones.
Probably allows mid range jumpers, too.
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2025, 06:30:28 PMThat is what Hurley gets for going to the portal and signing 1 and Jones.
Probably allows mid range jumpers, too.
What does UConn Scoop Willie calls him?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2025, 06:28:51 PMWe might have ptsd and every 3P shot that leaves his hands feels like it should be in
I was at the game in Milwaukee so I definitely do.
Brew question-
If UConn loses tonight and again @StJ Sunday should they start feeling some heat when it comes to locking a bid?
You've got them on the 9 line so I'd assume they just have to avoid disaster, meaning something like 3 more wins total should do it?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 18, 2025, 06:34:07 PMBrew question-
If UConn loses tonight and again @StJ Sunday should they start feeling some heat when it comes to locking a bid?
You've got them on the 9 line so I'd assume they just have to avoid disaster, meaning something like 3 more wins total should do it?
They'd be hurtling towards the bubble with little-to-no room for error
Can feel the anxiety of the UConn crowd through the screen.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2025, 06:53:21 PMCan feel the anxiety of the UConn crowd through the screen.
UConn has been a poor defensive team all year and if Nova is 7-13 from 3, that's some tough sledding for the Huskies
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2025, 06:54:46 PMUConn has been a poor defensive team all year and if Nova is 7-13 from 3, that's some tough sledding for the Huskies
What was Hurley complaining about?
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2025, 06:30:28 PMThat is what Hurley gets for going to the portal and signing 1 and Jones.
Probably allows mid range jumpers, too.
Actually Longino has a good mid range game. Been scoring at all three levels tonight. He seems to have really found his groove. Should be a good game this week.
I say that and he just missed one
I will take your word for it regarding tonight. Watching Purdue-MSU.
Peacock feed working tonight.
UConn would be doing better if only Hurley had been able to buy a PG in the transfer portal.
Also, it's obvious that we'll have zero chance when we play UConn in Hartford. They're unbeatable there!
If you're Nova, give Wooga the fking ball. He's abusing McNeeley. That was a dumb possession.
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2025, 07:02:22 PMI will take your word for it regarding tonight. Watching Purdue-MSU.
Peacock feed working tonight.
That's one thing I don't like peacock or other streaming services for. I cant easily flip back and forth. Would love to be catching some of the MSU Purdue game during commercials.
Nova with several garbage possessions. Focus.
Golden bricks from Swirley's star, KaraBAD.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 18, 2025, 07:06:10 PMThat's one thing I don't like peacock or other streaming services for. I cant easily flip back and forth. Would love to be catching some of the MSU Purdue game during commercials.
Agreed.
Do we want Butler or X?
What a ridiculous call.
Refs aren't helping Nova. Lots of questionable foul calls down the stretch.
Who's on the Nova coaching short list?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2025, 07:29:07 PMWho's on the Nova coaching short list?
Hopefully, Shaka
Doesn't count for UConn. Won ugly.
Complete meltdown by Nova.
Death, taxes, and Neptune finding a way
Nova is pathetic.
Dixon didn't touch the ball those last 2 possessions.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2025, 07:33:13 PMNova is pathetic.
Dixon didn't touch the ball those last 2 possessions.
Terrible possessions. They have 5pts in 10 mins.
Wisconsin, Purdue, Maryland are 3-4-5 in the Big 18. Huh.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2025, 07:18:35 PMDo we want Butler or X?
Xavier looking like a 4th place BE team.
https://x.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1892307645471604882?t=dNRPIu-sNf6f0pZghdn2mA&s=19
https://x.com/ThompsonsTowel/status/1892294143423947254?t=xRg2kyvnk4Ea2DQCRKIKgA&s=19
These is the players we get because of $$$$ weak!!
Georgetown is unstoppable. Moving MU'S game against to the L column.
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2025, 06:52:09 PMGeorgetown is unstoppable. Moving MU'S game against to the L column.
My wife and I will be there. It has been such a nice, relaxing game to watch for a number of years. McDermott probably still has nightmares about playing @ Georgetown earlier this season.
You already voted 5-1 for the remainder of the BE season with the L @ UCONN. No fair changing your predictions.
Wouldn't dream of it.
Wow. Did Providence realize they had a game today?
so RJ Luis is playing Sunday
https://x.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1892428686965572078?t=NCM7FfuFDp10GmHzdV6I-w&s=19
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 19, 2025, 07:05:44 PMMy wife and I will be there. It has been such a nice, relaxing game to watch for a number of years. McDermott probably still has nightmares about playing @ Georgetown earlier this season.
Tonight's game drew 5,326, Creighton just 4,062. Taking time to get fans back in the door but should be a few more for MU in 10 days.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 18, 2025, 08:04:26 PMNext year?
Yes, there is always next year for every team, including the Warriors
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 12, 2025, 07:47:17 PMMarquette's problems are definitely unique from the problems St. John's had tonight. But yay? We're not alone.
Torvik already had Marquette as very slight dogs to Nova before this game. That's not gonna get better.
Took some heat on this the past couple weeks. Sadly, it played out.
At Georgetown next Saturday.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/1893639324098277410?t=GEgRWAVEZTOu9t8enzuyaQ&s=19
Who ya got St.J or UCONN?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 11:03:55 AMWho ya got St.J or UCONN?
Still trust UConn more in March, today? Flip a coin.
St.J looks more athletic. Karaban is going to havd to do something.
Look out if St.J is making threes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 11:20:47 AMLook out if St.J is making threes.
They do that, and they are a legit Final Four threat.
Both UConn and (especially) SJ rebound in a physical manner unlike any rebound I've seen MU grab in BE play. Ben Gold doesn't stand a chance against rebounders like these. Very impressive. This is where Hamilton can help as he seems to be the most aggressive front court rebounder MU has.
SJU feeding off that MSG energy and whistle. Will be very tough to beat in the BEast tourney. Not the same team on the road. Still good. But beatable.
Hurley clearly needs to change everything he is doing.
How St.J is officiated in the NCAA tournament could play a major factor.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 23, 2025, 11:56:26 AMBoth UConn and (especially) SJ rebound in a physical manner unlike any rebound I've seen MU grab in BE play. Ben Gold doesn't stand a chance against rebounders like these. Very impressive. This is where Hamilton can help as he seems to be the most aggressive front court rebounder MU has.
Yes. They are way more physical than us at every position and have several guys with bounce.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 12:04:24 PMYes. They are way more physical than us at every position and have several guys with bounce.
That's just not true. Our guards are all more physical. It's just the front court.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 12:04:24 PMYes. They are way more physical than us at every position and have several guys with bounce.
Great necks, too.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:05:53 PMThat's just not true. Our guards are all more physical. It's just the front court.
Their guards are very physical too.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 12:07:58 PMTheir guards are very physical too.
You said they were way more physical than us at every position which just isn't true.
If anything we run into problems because our guards are too physical.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:11:03 PMYou said they were way more physical than us at every position which just isn't true.
If anything we run into problems because our guards are too physical.
I don't know about that...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:11:03 PMYou said they were way more physical than us at every position which just isn't true.
If anything we run into problems because our guards are too physical.
Do you believe Kam or Chase are more physical than Richmond? The guy is a tank and seeks out contact.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2025, 12:14:08 PMDo you believe Kam or Chase are more physical than Richmond? The guy is a tank and seeks out contact.
To me it seemed as if they were discussing it from a rebounding perspective. Offensively? Sure Richmond is physical in seeking contact.
From a defensive and rebounding perspective Chase and Stevie are as physical as any guards in the league.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:19:46 PMTo me it seemed as if they were discussing it from a rebounding perspective. Offensively? Sure Richmond is physical in seeking contact.
From a defensive and rebounding perspective Chase and Stevie are as physical as any guards in the league.
Gotcha. I'm Im on board with you there.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2025, 12:24:27 PMGotcha. I'm Im on board with you there.
Stevie even has a higher OREB rate than RJ Luis...maybe out of necessity because MU doesn't have a glass cleaner like Ejiofor in the front court.
I'll say it like this...I guess when it comes to physicality I'm never worried about our backcourt.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:19:46 PMTo me it seemed as if they were discussing it from a rebounding perspective. Offensively? Sure Richmond is physical in seeking contact.
From a defensive and rebounding perspective Chase and Stevie are as physical as any guards in the league.
Chase and Stevie impact the defensive box score more than Kadary. But that doesn't make you a more physical or better defenders.
Kadary is the best defender on the best defense in the big east because St. John's and his length can force missed shots.
You can blame other Marquette players for them not being the statistical best defenders, but defense is a team game.
Arguably again it comes down to their coach just playing their best players more.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:19:46 PMTo me it seemed as if they were discussing it from a rebounding perspective. Offensively? Sure Richmond is physical in seeking contact.
From a defensive and rebounding perspective Chase and Stevie are as physical as any guards in the league.
Someone can do the percentages. Chase averages 4 rpg, Stevie averages 4.1 rpg, and Kam averages 4.4 rpg.
RJ Luis averages 7.2 rpg, Kadary Richmond averages 8.1 rpg, Deivon Smith averages 5 rpg. They're significantly more physical on the boards, and at least as physical defensively. They're 2nd in defensive efficiency in the country.
The Johnnies defense looks like what ours looked like against Purdue. Absolutely swarming the UConn guards.
This is a total ass kicking right now.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 23, 2025, 12:27:21 PMSomeone can do the percentages. Chase averages 4 rpg, Stevie averages 4.1 rpg, and Kam averages 4.4 rpg.
RJ Luis averages 7.2 rpg, Kadary Richmond averages 8.1 rpg, Deivon Smith averages 5 rpg. They're significantly more physical on the boards, and at least as physical defensively. They're 2nd in defensive efficiency in the country.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:26:12 PMStevie even has a higher OREB rate than RJ Luis...maybe out of necessity because MU doesn't have a glass cleaner like Ejiofor in the front court.
I'll say it like this...I guess when it comes to physicality I'm never worried about our backcourt.
UCONN competing much harder and St.J has gotten sloppy.
St. John's got caught over-helping a bit the last few possessions. Been our biggest issue defensively in my opinion. Play 25 seconds of good defense and give the possession away in the last 5 seconds being too aggressive on a help or steal attempt.
Could be a ballgame now!
Are they just gonna show that Pitino halftime speech during every St. John's game now? Lol.
Absolutely moronic shot by Karaban.
St. John's gets away with so much contact inside the arc.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 12:59:12 PMSt. John's gets away with so much contact inside the arc.
No doubt. We need to beat them on 3/8 and play with a tenacity unlike anything we have seen this year.
What St John's is doing is playing with violence. Our non-conference defense turned up a few notches
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2025, 01:08:40 PMWhat St John's is doing is playing with violence. Our non-conference defense turned up a few notches
They're playing with violence on offense too. They hack for sure but play really hard. And that's a skill.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 01:03:19 PMNo doubt. We need to beat them on 3/7 and play with a tenacity unlike anything we have seen this year.
Your lips to God's ear.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 01:03:19 PMNo doubt. We need to beat them on 3/7 and play with a tenacity unlike anything we have seen this year.
Zero chance we beat them on March 7th.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 23, 2025, 02:31:34 PMZero chance we beat them on March 7th.
Total lack of focus on my part. My apologies.
I thought I heard an announcer say something like St. John's hasn't won a ncca tourny game in 25 years. Just a shocking stat to me
A few observations:
I don't follow UConnScoop, but I kinda wonder what they are saying about Karaban. He is their Joplin, and he has the stats to prove it. He's a mess. Is he for sure leaving after this season? Will he even get drafted?
I really like Aaron Scott. Every time I watch StJ, he makes a ton of winning plays that often don't show up in the box score.
Watching the first 25 minutes, if you didn't know that Hurley was the coach, you'd say, "Wow, UConn is a poorly coached team." Bad shots, sloppy, poor decisions, outhustled, etc.
StJ hits the boards so hard. Impressive. And their defense is so aggressive that refs simply don't call anywhere near all the major contact. The energy they play with is extraordinary.
Luis is playing like a lottery pick.
McNeeley obviously has talent but he gets flustered pretty easily and tries forcing things.
I'm not even sure StJ needs to shoot well to advance far in the NCAAs, but if they hit 36-40% of their 3s they can win the title.
For all our problems, Marquette played StJ much closer for much longer than UConn did. Ours was an actual contest. Yeah I know ... hang a banner!
Clearly, Hurley doesn't know what he is doing. Uses the portal too much/not enough. Doesn't have/relies too much on a system. Ruined Karaban. Not enough/too many one and dones. Can't coach defense. Overworks/doesn't know how to motivate them. And don't even get me started about next season. Will be lucky to not be relegated to the A10.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2025, 02:48:17 PMA few observations:
I don't follow UConnScoop, but I kinda wonder what they are saying about Karaban. He is their Joplin, and he has the stats to prove it. He's a mess. Is he for sure leaving after this season? Will he even get drafted?
I really like Aaron Scott. Every time I watch StJ, he makes a ton of winning plays that often don't show up in the box score.
Watching the first 25 minutes, if you didn't know that Hurley was the coach, you'd say, "Wow, UConn is a poorly coached team." Bad shots, sloppy, poor decisions, outhustled, etc.
StJ hits the boards so hard. Impressive. And their defense is so aggressive that refs simply don't call anywhere near all the major contact. The energy they play with is extraordinary.
Luis is playing like a lottery pick.
McNeeley obviously has talent but he gets flustered pretty easily and tries forcing things.
I'm not even sure StJ needs to shoot well to advance far in the NCAAs, but if they hit 36-40% of their 3s they can win the title.
For all our problems, Marquette played StJ much closer for much longer than UConn did. Ours was an actual contest. Yeah I know ... hang a banner!
They might not have shooters, but they have scorers. And ther ability to rebound and pressure the ball is elite. I still think how they're officiated will play a roll, but they're certainly dangerous. I definitely wouldn't want to play them if you're a team prone to turnovers. I think most people would take Duke & Auburn vs the field. After that it's not crazy to think St.J is in that next tier. And I didn't believe that a few weeks ago.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2025, 03:14:42 PMThey might not have shooters, but they have scorers. And ther ability to rebound and pressure the ball is elite. I still think how they're officiated will play a roll, but they're certainly dangerous. I definitely wouldn't want to play them if you're a team prone to turnovers. I think most people would take Duke & Auburn vs the field. After that it's not crazy to think St.J is in that next tier. And I didn't believe that a few weeks ago.
Agreed Muggsy.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2025, 02:48:17 PMA few observations:
I don't follow UConnScoop, but I kinda wonder what they are saying about Karaban. He is their Joplin, and he has the stats to prove it. He's a mess. Is he for sure leaving after this season? Will he even get drafted?
I really like Aaron Scott. Every time I watch StJ, he makes a ton of winning plays that often don't show up in the box score.
Watching the first 25 minutes, if you didn't know that Hurley was the coach, you'd say, "Wow, UConn is a poorly coached team." Bad shots, sloppy, poor decisions, outhustled, etc.
StJ hits the boards so hard. Impressive. And their defense is so aggressive that refs simply don't call anywhere near all the major contact. The energy they play with is extraordinary.
Luis is playing like a lottery pick.
McNeeley obviously has talent but he gets flustered pretty easily and tries forcing things.
I'm not even sure StJ needs to shoot well to advance far in the NCAAs, but if they hit 36-40% of their 3s they can win the title.
For all our problems, Marquette played StJ much closer for much longer than UConn did. Ours was an actual contest. Yeah I know ... hang a banner!
Idk about Karaban being their Joplin.
He had 17 and 7 today. I'd love to get that from the Jop Wagon again.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 03:42:11 PMIdk about Karaban being their Joplin.
He had 17 and 7 today. I'd love to get that from the Jop Wagon again.
Karaban started Big East play 11/25 from 3 in their first 3 games. 16/69 since then and that includes the 3/6 today.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 23, 2025, 03:54:42 PMKaraban started Big East play 11/25 from 3 in their first 3 games. 16/69 since then and that includes the 3/6 today.
Dang that's bad. I'd still love a 17 and 7 from Joplin at some point haha
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 23, 2025, 03:42:11 PMIdk about Karaban being their Joplin.
He had 17 and 7 today. I'd love to get that from the Jop Wagon again.
Karaban is a mess. Look at some stats (such as those posted by VBMG) before you respond.
Like Joplin, he's lost his 3-ball; like Joplin, that makes him a much lesser player.
As for 17 and 7 ... Joplin had 22 and 8 against Creighton just two weeks ago. A UConn fan might say, "I'd love to get that from the Kara wagon again."
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2025, 04:36:23 PMKaraban is a mess. Look at some stats (such as those posted by VBMG) before you respond.
Like Joplin, he's lost his 3-ball; like Joplin, that makes him a much lesser player.
As for 17 and 7 ... Joplin had 22 and 8 against Creighton just two weeks ago. A UConn fan might say, "I'd love to get that from the Kara wagon again."
The "Kara wagon"?
How about the Kara van"?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2025, 04:40:12 PMThe "Kara wagon"?
How about the Kara van"?
You have earned your money as editor.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 23, 2025, 02:44:52 PMI thought I heard an announcer say something like St. John's hasn't won a ncca tourny game in 25 years. Just a shocking stat to me
1999 when they made the elite 8.
So, BE POY; Kalk's to lose now? St John's doesn't have one go to guy who can win it.
Is Stevie still the leader for DPOY? I'm wondering if Kam has slipped from first team AA at this point too.
Not sure if this has been posted, but even more of a reason to get the 3 seed!
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/1893472979511611776?t=l_CKoatcDQ8SqHtPbSOrLA&s=19
St. John's is incredible. Wow.
https://x.com/theathleticcbb/status/1894493964281286765?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
whew! Maybe we can win that game now.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 25, 2025, 03:23:43 PMwhew! Maybe we can win that game now.
I wish he were playing. We were gonna beat them regardless. We'll win at least 3 of our 4 remaining regular-season games.
Feel bad for Sorber, he's a helluva player.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 25, 2025, 08:34:55 PMFeel bad for Sorber, he's a helluva player.
A very good player and a likely one and done. Held to 11 by MU in the prior meeting.
I wonder if the injury / surgery means Sorber will be back at Georgetown next year instead of going into the draft.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 26, 2025, 08:25:34 AMI wonder if the injury / surgery means Sorber will be back at Georgetown next year instead of going into the draft.
I would think he's gone regardless. I haven't seen a mock that doesn't have him in the 1st round (approx. 50/50 split on lottery or not). I've long since given up trying to predict what 18-22 year old will do, but even with NIL, I would think a 1st round guarantee would be gone regardless.
The one that will be interesting to watch IMO is Hopkins. Would he think his odds at the NBA are slipping? He was generally thought to be a 1st rounder before he got hurt last year. If he thinks he won't get drafted as a 23 year old next year would he look to just get a bag? If that's the case, it won't be at PC.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 26, 2025, 08:25:34 AMI wonder if the injury / surgery means Sorber will be back at Georgetown next year instead of going into the draft.
Unsure. One of the games I watched Georgetown (either against us or Xavier) the announcers said Sorber has said he wants to be the next great Georgetown center, whatever that translates to.
I believe the Bucks now have one second rounder in this draft after the deadline moves. If Sorber were to somehow fall that far, I'd give double whatever guys like Kolek were getting on guaranteed second rounder salaries last year. If Sorber weren't to be around (he wouldn't) I'd do it for Raynaud.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 25, 2025, 03:23:43 PMwhew! Maybe we can win that game now.
I'm sure there will be people gloating about how quiet the board is after we whoop a piss poor team who just lost their best player.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 26, 2025, 12:05:03 PMI'm sure there will be people gloating about how quiet the board is after we whoop a piss poor team who just lost their best player.
There are posters who only come around and whine and complain when the team isn't playing well. We're watching a program that has continued to be ranked for basically 3 entire seasons straight. Of course there are times of frustration. The team hasn't been playing well much lately. But these are champagne problems. Posters can post however they want, but they're going to take crap if all they do is complain about this program, and they should.
As I said to Willie, my energy toward some posters reflects their energy toward the players. If all a poster can say is (Player x) sucks, well, that is my energy toward that poster. It is how I process things and is me expressing my opinion.
Ed Cooley. Overrated as fu ck
Sorber is out, so apparently that means play Fielder all game in foul trouble
Fouls out with 15:37 left. LOL. Not a typo.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2025, 06:50:34 PMEd Cooley. Overrated as fu ck
Sorber is out, so apparently that means play Fielder all game in foul trouble
Fouls out with 15:37 left. LOL. Not a typo.
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Whoops.
Nova hasn't scored in 6.5 minutes vs Hall
They went 12/15 from 3 in 1st half vs us
Ergo, SHU is far better than MU. Weird stuff happens sometimes.
33-21 at half. Biggest halftime lead all year in BE play for the Pirates
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 26, 2025, 08:38:44 PM33-21 at half. Biggest halftime lead all year in BE play for the Pirates
But will they hold on?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 26, 2025, 08:39:07 PMBut will they hold on?
Gonna live dangerously here and say...no.
St. John's 34-30 at Butler (CBSSN)
Creighton 36-32 over DePaul (Peacock)
The Hall is beginning to collapse.
Nova on a 15-0 run, less because they're good and more because Hall hasn't scored since the Ford administration.
Had brief hopes for a Nova loss that would guarantee MU a first round bye in the BET.
A 22-4 run says that will have to wait for another day.
Quote from: Oldgym on February 26, 2025, 09:22:36 PMNova on a 15-0 run, less because they're good and more because Hall hasn't scored since the Ford administration.
You called it correctly.
Seton Hall had 6 points in 17 minutes, then scored 6 in 30 seconds to pull within 1.
Meanwhile, Butler hanging with the Johnnies. 56-56 at the under 8.
Butler looks cooked. Playing spastic/idiotic hoops down the stretch.
So the same St. John's team that Scooprognosticators say will crush Marquette at Fiserv on the last day of the season barely beat the juggernaut that is Butler. We have no chance to win. Zero.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2025, 06:50:34 PMSorber is out, so apparently that means play Fielder all game in foul trouble
Fouls out with 15:37 left. LOL. Not a typo.
He's a PF playing fourth string center. The backup center was lost for the season with a foot injury, too. The potential third stringer, a project, was redshirted.
All three Georgetown centers are freshmen after Supreme Cook left for NIL at Oregon and Ryan Mutombo graduated early and returned home to Atlanta at Georgia Tech.
Does a Nova BET Finals appearance (21-13) give them any chance (because presumably that means another win over us, STJ or UCONN) or are those losses so bad that they have to cut down the nets?
Quote from: 1SE on February 27, 2025, 02:29:19 AMDoes a Nova BET Finals appearance (21-13) give them any chance (because presumably that means another win over us, STJ or UCONN) or are those losses so bad that they have to cut down the nets?
My guess would be that they have to get the auto bid.
BE hoops related. DePaul's new facility was delayed due to Chicago bureaucracy:
DePaul's proposed $60M basketball athletic facility has been delayed by at least a year after the project failed to secure a spot on the city's agenda for zoning approval. The earliest the Blue Demons would be able to break ground on the proposed new facility would now be June 2026. President Robert Manuel: "While we had originally hoped to begin demolition and construction this summer, the City of Chicago has added additional requirements, which we are happy to complete but do extend our timeline." School officials say the delay will allow them more time to finalize zoning approvals and secure additional funding for the facility. So far, the university has raised $11M for the project.
Quote from: Oldgym on February 26, 2025, 09:51:07 PMMeanwhile, Butler hanging with the Johnnies. 56-56 at the under 8.
Butler did a nice job controlling the pace of the game at the offensive end. On D, putting Screen in the middle took away the ability for clean looks on drives inside and the 5-inch height advantage on Zuby affected his ability to shoot over him on post ups. This is the second time Butler has played SJU close.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 27, 2025, 09:24:48 AMBE hoops related. DePaul's new facility was delayed due to Chicago bureaucracy:
DePaul's proposed $60M basketball athletic facility has been delayed by at least a year after the project failed to secure a spot on the city's agenda for zoning approval. The earliest the Blue Demons would be able to break ground on the proposed new facility would now be June 2026. President Robert Manuel: "While we had originally hoped to begin demolition and construction this summer, the City of Chicago has added additional requirements, which we are happy to complete but do extend our timeline." School officials say the delay will allow them more time to finalize zoning approvals and secure additional funding for the facility. So far, the university has raised $11M for the project.
The biggest problem is in the last sentence of that release.
Tomorrow's slate of conference games will go a long way toward determining MU's seed in the BET.
At this point, MU could land anywhere between 2 and 6.
The possibility of MU falling to the 6 seed, and having to play DePaul or Seton Hall on Wednesday, could be removed tomorrow if MU wins at GU, Xavier loses to Creighton, or Villanova loses to Butler.
MU's chances of getting to the 2 seed are pretty slim, and would be all but gone if MU loses to GU or Creighton beats Xavier tomorrow . Creighton would win any tiebreaker against MU.
To get the 3 seed, MU probably has to beat UConn because a loss there would give UConn the tiebreaker. MU's chances to get the 3 would get a boost if PC could knock off UConn tomorrow.
If MU can't get the 3 seed, and doesn't fall to the 6, it doesn't make that much difference if they get the 4 or 5. Either way their first BET game would be Thursday afternoon against either Xavier or Villanova with the winner likely facing SJU in the semis.. If Xavier loses to Creighton tomorrow, Villanova would have the inside track for the 5 seed.
ESPN front page cover story Today is Rick Pitino could give the Big East its 5th Title this Century. If I am not mistaken it would be the 8th Title this Century correct.
UCONN 1999 close but does not count but 2004, 2011,
2014 does not count but 2023 And 2024 do count.
Villanova 2016 And 2018 count correct
Syracuse 2003
That is 9 Total but 2 that are close but do not count for a total of 7 Titles. And if Pitino wins that would be 8 correct
If we're talking about the league, Syracuse in 2003 should count.
ESPN is not an honest broker in Big East discussions,
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 28, 2025, 09:49:29 PMESPN is not an honest broker in Big East discussions,
Wouldn't it be fun if, some year in the future, there was a production titled "Requiem for ESPN"?
Maybe they're just referring to the reconstructed Big East.
In which case the proper presentation would be "its fifth championship in the 12th season since its reconstruction".
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2025, 09:34:04 PMIf we're talking about the league, Syracuse in 2003 should count.
Thank You Correct
Quote from: MU82 on February 26, 2025, 11:36:45 PMSo the same St. John's team that Scooprognosticators say will crush Marquette at Fiserv on the last day of the season barely beat the juggernaut that is Butler. We have no chance to win. Zero.
Will the juggernaut St John's be held off by the Senior Day corsages?
Ok - so rooting order today is Prov, Butler, SH & X (or Creighton if you're COLE)?
Quote from: 1SE on March 01, 2025, 03:09:37 AMOk - so rooting order today is Prov, Butler, SH & X (or Creighton if you're COLE)?
For me, the main reason to root for X is that they still have an outside shot at an NCAA at large bid. A win over Creighton is necessary to keep that alive.
Seton Hall's Isaiah Coleman just took (and missed) one of those tough, hand-in-face, mid-range jumpers that some Scoopers want us to take.
The Seton Hall team that Marquette just unimpressively beat by 1,000 points gave St. Juggernaut fits in the first half.
The beyond idiotic foul by Richmond to give 3 FTs to Addae-Wusu with 0.1 left on the first-half clock shows why Marquette wasn't negligent in refusing to challenge NC State's 75-foot shot. That shot going in was bad luck for MU; a foul would have been beyond idiotic.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2025, 02:07:17 PMSeton Hall's Isaiah Coleman just took (and missed) one of those tough, hand-in-face, mid-range jumpers that some Scoopers want us to take.
Hope Shaka is portalling him
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 28, 2025, 09:29:17 PMESPN front page cover story Today is Rick Pitino could give the Big East its 5th Title this Century. If I am not mistaken it would be the 8th Title this Century correct.
UCONN 1999 close but does not count but 2004, 2011,
2014 does not count but 2023 And 2024 do count.
Villanova 2016 And 2018 count correct
Syracuse 2003
That is 9 Total but 2 that are close but do not count for a total of 7 Titles. And if Pitino wins that would be 8 correct
Screw Pitino, tired of the worship out east for this moral degenerate. And that is exactly what he is. Any defense for this crud is reprehensible.
Did anyone think that maybe Lou Carnesecca was cursed and had to die before St. John's could win the Big East again?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2025, 03:36:59 PMScrew Pitino, tired of the worship out east for this moral degenerate. And that is exactly what he is. Any defense for this crud is reprehensible.
Premature ejaculation happens to a lot of people Willie. Not just you and Rick.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2025, 02:07:17 PMSeton Hall's Isaiah Coleman just took (and missed) one of those tough, hand-in-face, mid-range jumpers that some Scoopers want us to take.
This Marquette team does not have players who have the kind of shot that can be effective in the midrange.
But, even though they don't have to be the focus of the offense, it sure wouldn't hurt to have a couple of players who are capable of getting into the lane and popping up with a 12 foot jumper.
It would also help to have a couple of players who could come around a screen and drop in a 3 point shot off the dribble like a couple of the ones Xavier just had.
Having almost nothing but set shooters does make it easier for the defense.
Quote from: wisblue on March 01, 2025, 05:04:37 PMThis Marquette team does not have players who have the kind of shot that can be effective in the midrange.
But, even though they don't have to be the focus of the offense, it sure wouldn't hurt to have a couple of players who are capable of getting into the lane and popping up with a 12 foot jumper.
X is a bubble team. They're wildly inconsistent.
It's really unfortunate that the Big East did poorly in key games out of conference. Nova and Xavier are better teams than some of the Big10 and SEC teams that are currently "in" the tournament.
Indiana, Nebraska, Ohio State, Arkansas, Texas
All have no business being in the NCAA tournament. They are being lifted up by the the SEC, in particular, having a good out of conference season which allowed teams to rack up "quality" wins against teams that were really over-rated.
Meanwhile, because of some injuries, and a slow start to the season, I think the Big East is under-rated. Remember Marquette who destroyed the 3 best teams in the Big10 is only the 3rd best team in the Big East.
Quote from: forgetful on March 01, 2025, 05:20:13 PMIt's really unfortunate that the Big East did poorly in key games out of conference. Nova and Xavier are better teams than some of the Big10 and SEC teams that are currently "in" the tournament.
Indiana, Nebraska, Ohio State, Arkansas, Texas
All have no business being in the NCAA tournament. They are being lifted up by the the SEC, in particular, having a good out of conference season which allowed teams to rack up "quality" wins against teams that were really over-rated.
Meanwhile, because of some injuries, and a slow start to the season, I think the Big East is under-rated. Remember Marquette who destroyed the 3 best teams in the Big10 is only the 3rd best team in the Big East.
Agreed forgetful.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 05:11:28 PMX is a bubble team. They're wildly inconsistent.
X might be the hottest team in the beast right now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 05:11:28 PMX is a bubble team. They're wildly inconsistent.
Not sure what that has to do with my comment about jump shooters.
I used those shots by Xavier as examples, but if you look around there are a lot of guys on the top teams in the country that can make 3 point jump shots off the dribble.
About Xavier being inconsistent, I made the point a couple of weeks ago that if you look just at the conference games since Fremantle returned, Xavier has been as good as Marquette. Throw in the games since then and they have been better, and T-Rank would back that up.
When the dust settles it looks like the teams might be within a game of each other in the conference standings and facing off in the 4-5 game in the BET.
Quote from: wisblue on March 01, 2025, 06:33:48 PMNot sure what that has to do with my comment about jump shooters.
I used those shots by Xavier as examples, but if you look around there are a lot of guys on the top teams in the country that can make 3 point jump shots off the dribble.
About Xavier being inconsistent, I made the point a couple of weeks ago that if you look just at the conference games since Fremantle returned, Xavier has been as good as Marquette. Throw in the games since then and they have been better, and T-Rank would back that up.
When the dust settles it looks like the teams might be within a game of each other in the conference standings and facing off in the 4-5 game in the BET.
Again, XU is a bubble team. Marquette is not. Everything else is meaningless including you sucking up to them and Freemantle.
Hey, watch the hard talk. He is simply being objective and calling as he sees it. Which is his right. Bully.
Quote from: tower912 on March 01, 2025, 06:55:05 PMHey, watch the hard talk. He is simply being objective and calling as he sees it. Which is his right. Bully.
He constantly disparages MU. Both directly and indirectly. And he's done this for the last several years. Then he jumps on the
bandwagon when we do well.
We all know this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 06:58:09 PMHe constantly disparages MU. Both directly and indirectly. And he's done this for the last several years. Then he jumps on the
bandwagon when we do well.
Haha. MU was a much better team than Xavier in November and December and built up the resume that has made them a lock for the NCAA.
January and February have been a significantly different story, and if you don't see that I can't help you.
Saying I'm a bandwagon fan is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Quote from: wisblue on March 01, 2025, 08:51:47 PMHaha. MU was a much better team than Xavier in November and December and built up the resume that has made them a lock for the NCAA.
January and February have been a significantly different story, and if you don't see that I can't help you.
Saying I'm a bandwagon fan is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Xavier has one quad win Blue, us. They're 1-8 vs quad 1 and you're acting like they're this recent juggernaut.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 06:58:09 PMHe constantly disparages MU. Both directly and indirectly. And he's done this for the last several years. Then he jumps on the
bandwagon when we do well.
He is just an Eeyore, and nowhere near the biggest Eeyore on Scoop. He calls it being a "realist" - as tower says, that's his right.
We're playing good basketball right now. I certainly don't fear Xavier. But I do think they are better and more deserving than the likes of Oklahoma and Nebraska.
So I guess Creighton doesn't have "the inside track" on the Big East title after all.
Congrats to St. John's, a worthy champion and a great story ... even if I think we're gonna beat 'em at Fiserv.
T-Rank since 1/1:
Xavier 28
MU 46
Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2025, 11:09:17 PMHe is just an Eeyore, and nowhere near the biggest Eeyore on Scoop. He calls it being a "realist" - as tower says, that's his right.
We're playing good basketball right now. I certainly don't fear Xavier. But I do think they are better and more deserving than the likes of Oklahoma and Nebraska.
I don't disagree but the SEC has a huge advantage with Q1 win opportunities. So while I think Oklahoma has no business being in the tournament, they have 4 more Q1 wins than X. The truth is X has a lot of work to do to make it, and one home performance vs Creighton means diddly squat.
Nm
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 01, 2025, 11:13:53 PMT-Rank since 1/1:
Xavier 28
MU 46
Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.
It doesn't mean anything though and they're a ton of variables. There's no doubt we haven't played well, but they have one quad 1 win, MU. It's about who you beat, not which teams are "playing better" based on whatever analytics.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 11:21:13 PMIt doesn't mean anything though and they're a ton of variables. There's no doubt we haven't played well, but they have one quad 1 win, MU. It's about who you beat, not which teams are "playing better" based on whatever analytics.
Two things can be true. MU has the far better overall resume, and that X has played better ball than us over the past two months. I guess I don't understand the angst over this.
Xavier needs that "last 10 games" metric added back in.
In all seriousness 21-10, 13-7 in the BE for a very good team is enough to make the dance imo, and Xavier is a very good team in the last 2 months.
The 1 Quad 1 win makes it nearly impossible to include them tough.
1-8 is rough for a bubble team.
Play a shitty out of conference schedule Mr. Miller and get shitty selection Sunday results when you go 1-8 in Quad 1 with mid NET and metrics numbers.
That said, they get UConn or Marquette in the Garden in game 1.
They win that and I think they slide into a first 4 game in Dayton, whether or not they beat StJ.
That's no guarantee though, so they better win the next 3 and keep the fingers crossed for scheduling such out of conference garbage
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 01, 2025, 11:13:53 PMT-Rank since 1/1:
Xavier 28
MU 46
Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.
We're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.
If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 01, 2025, 11:38:25 PMTwo things can be true. MU has the far better overall resume, and that X has played better ball than us over the past two months. I guess I don't understand the angst over this.
I'm just gonna say it, because I looked at their results since Jan 1st, Fk Xavier. They barely beat the Hall recently, they lost at Gtown and barely beat them in Cincy, they were in close games down the stretch vs all the teams in the BEast before tonight, and they're 1-8 in Q1 games. Fk them. You could make an argument that 150 teams have "played better than us" in recent weeks because of our atrocious shooting. But the fact is besides the Nova game, where they were unconscious from distance, we were competitive down the stretch in all of them. What as asinine idea that anyone, let alone Marquette, should be concerned with Xavier.
Never change, Muggs.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2025, 11:43:02 PMWe're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.
If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.
Exactly. Let's just forget about 2 months of the season because Xavier looks like the '96 Bulls with Freemantle. What a bunch of garbage.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 01, 2025, 11:49:58 PMNever change, Muggs.
I'll tell you something else: If Xavier matches up with us in the BEast tournament and beats us it won't change my opinion one iota. They would have to beat us and St.J to get in.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2025, 11:43:02 PMWe're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.
If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.
Lets cool the jets on the "we're playing well" until we beat UCONN. In the last 4 we've looked really good against some really bad teams or one missing theie best player. We also had our worst game of the season against a team that will be playing in the 👑-athon.
The next two tell us if we're back.
Quote from: 1SE on March 02, 2025, 01:57:09 AMLets cool the jets on the "we're playing well" until we beat UCONN. In the last 4 we've looked really good against some really bad teams or one missing theie best player. We also had our worst game of the season against a team that will be playing in the 👑-athon.
The next two tell us if we're back.
I didn't say we were "back." I said we're playing well.
Do you think UConn is "back"? If so, why? Were they "back" against the same Seton Hall team we beat by 6,000 points?
Better start another poll.
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2025, 02:33:14 AMI didn't say we were "back." I said we're playing well.
Do you think UConn is "back"? If so, why? Were they "back" against the same Seton Hall team we beat by 6,000 points?
Better start another poll.
Right - and I responded saying "let's cool the jets on the playing well" talk. I don't think our performance over the last 4 games merits that. Beating UCONN on the road and SJU would make a statement.
If what I write bothers you (or you don't like the polls) feel free to put me on ignore - I won't lose any sleep over it. Or if making snarky comments is your jam, feel free to keep at - you do you.
Phew
You MoFo's need Jesus.
Quote from: 1SE on March 02, 2025, 08:34:37 AMRight - and I responded saying "let's cool the jets on the playing well" talk. I don't think our performance over the last 4 games merits that. Beating UCONN on the road and SJU would make a statement.
If what I write bothers you (or you don't like the polls) feel free to put me on ignore - I won't lose any sleep over it. Or if making snarky comments is your jam, feel free to keep at - you do you.
We haven't played well against the top teams. There's no sugarcoating it. But as I and others have stated many times, we all know what needs to happen for us to make any noise in the tournament.
It's on Kam and he knows this full well. He has to find his jumper. It changes everything for us, we don't have the margin for error St.John's has with their rebounding. If he can get his 3-ball back we're capable of making a deep run. If he can't we're not going to beat good teams. This is where we are and nothing has changed. He has to resemble the Kam we saw earlier in the season. But all that being said? Fk Xavier and this idea we should be worried they've been playing "better basketball".
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 11:55:07 PMI'll tell you something else: If Xavier matches up with us in the BEast tournament and beats us it won't change my opinion one iota. They would have to beat us and St.J to get in.
This has been an amusing exchange.
Muggsy, nobody questions your passion for MU basketball, but sometimes it gets the better of you.
You have made several posts that seem to be addressing the argument that Xavier is a juggernaut that deserves to be in the NCAA tournament as much as, or more than, MU does. Nobody has said anything remotely close to that.
MU's 5 Quad 1 wins, the most recent of which came on December 21 at Xavier, made them a virtual lock for the NCAA barring a collapse in the conference. But, the reality is that MU played like an elite high seed team through December, and then like a bubble team since then.
Xavier played the first two months like a team that would have no shot at the NCAA, but has played like a bubble team since then
The point has been that in conference play, especially since Freemantle returned, Xavier's performance has been very comparable to MU's. The T-Ranks suggest Xavier has been a little better.
Your statement that nobody should be "concerned" about Xavier is absurd. Maybe Creighton should have been concerned about Xavier yesterday, and maybe MU should have been concerned about them when they played here.
Some people on this board seem to take any show of respect for an opponent as an opinion that MU has little or no chance to beat them.
If Xavier does end up being matched up against MU in the BET, I would expect a near tossup point spread leading to a very competitive game. At this point of the season the teams seem to be pretty evenly matched.
Because there have been references to the T-Ranks in this thread, it might help to show how they illustrate the point I have tried to make.
Today, the season to date ranks for the top 6 teams in the Big East are:
SJU 20
MU 27
UConn 36
CU 37
XU 42
Nova 48
Just looking at games through December 31, the ranks were:
MU 10
SJU 25
UConn 27
CU 51
XU 69
Nova 78
Looking just at games from January 1 through yesterday, the ranks are:
SJU 19
CU 28
XU 30
Nova 37
MU 43
UConn 46
Quote from: wisblue on March 02, 2025, 10:32:31 AMBecause there have been references to the T-Ranks in this thread, it might help to show how they illustrate the point I have tried to make.
Today, the season to date ranks for the top 6 teams in the Big East are:
SJU 20
MU 27
UConn 36
CU 37
XU 42
Nova 48
Just looking at games through December 31, the ranks were:
MU 10
SJU 25
UConn 27
CU 51
XU 69
Nova 78
Looking just at games from January 1 through yesterday, the ranks are:
SJU 19
CU 28
XU 30
Nova 37
MU 43
UConn 46
Excuse me. Stats and facts are not welcome here.
Quote from: fjm on March 02, 2025, 10:56:15 AMExcuse me. Stats and facts are not welcome here.
In the words of Mr. Bogues, fk stats and analytics.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2025, 11:21:13 PMIt doesn't mean anything though and they're a ton of variables. There's no doubt we haven't played well, but they have one quad 1 win, MU. It's about who you beat, not which teams are "playing better" based on whatever analytics.
I'd rather have a team playing well now than on December. Xavier is playing well now.
Should do well in the NIT.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 02, 2025, 11:06:53 AMI'd rather have a team playing well now than on December. Xavier is playing well now.
And to be fair so is MU, outside of that Nova game. I can understand the wait and see approach though, given the struggles against the top of the league.
Quote from: fjm on March 02, 2025, 08:50:34 AMYou MoFo's need Jesus.
Gospel reading today was the first part of the signature. Homily was about working on what is bad in your heart and focusing on virtuous habits. I will endeavor to do so. I will endeavor to stop only seeing the splinter in another's eye, while ignoring the plank in my own. Thanks for the reminder.
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2025, 11:20:19 AMGospel reading today was the first part of the signature. Homily was about working on what is bad in your heart and focusing on virtuous habits. I will endeavor to do so. I will endeavor to stop only seeng the splinter in another's eye, while ignoring the plank in my own. Thanks for the reminder.
Woke
Quote from: 1SE on March 02, 2025, 08:34:37 AMRight - and I responded saying "let's cool the jets on the playing well" talk. I don't think our performance over the last 4 games merits that. Beating UCONN on the road and SJU would make a statement.
If what I write bothers you (or you don't like the polls) feel free to put me on ignore - I won't lose any sleep over it. Or if making snarky comments is your jam, feel free to keep at - you do you.
We're playing well.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 02, 2025, 11:16:17 AMAnd to be fair so is MU, outside of that Nova game. I can understand the wait and see approach though, given the struggles against the top of the league.
Have not beat a team with a pulse since Jan 3...
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 01, 2025, 05:03:13 PMPremature ejaculation happens to a lot of people Willie. Not just you and Rick.
You are forgetting a few things arent you slick rick slimer? Like his infidelity, his screwing around with an assistants wife, his cheating at Louisville and Kentucky. Your kind of guy, right ace?
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 02, 2025, 11:06:53 AMI'd rather have a team playing well now than on December. Xavier is playing well now.
So you'd rather be playing well and off to the NIT or 👑, than playing poorly and going to the NCAA tournament?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 02, 2025, 03:19:14 PMYou are forgetting a few things arent you slick rick slimer? Like his infidelity, his screwing around with an assistants wife, his cheating at Louisville and Kentucky. Your kind of guy, right ace?
I did not accuse you of those things Willie. I do not have the emotional bandwidth for your guilty conscience
Since UConn rejoined the BE, Marquette is 0 - 4 against the Huskies in Storrs. UConn's average margin of victory in those games is 17 points. Ouch!
Quote from: bradforster on March 03, 2025, 04:03:56 AMSince UConn rejoined the BE, Marquette is 0 - 4 against the Huskies in Storrs. UConn's average margin of victory in those games is 17 points. Ouch!
I'm worried.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 02, 2025, 02:43:28 PMHave not beat a team with a pulse since Jan 3...
One of those supposedly pulse-less teams recently beat UConn and just gave St. Juggernaut all they could handle. Musta found a temporary pulse before and after we beat them by 638 points.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 02, 2025, 03:19:14 PMYou are forgetting a few things arent you slick rick slimer? Like his infidelity, his screwing around with an assistants wife, his cheating at Louisville and Kentucky. Your kind of guy, right ace?
Yeah, the only cheater and liar you'll support for an important position is ... oh ... never mind.
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2025, 06:25:07 PMOne of those supposedly pulse-less teams recently beat UConn and just gave St. Juggernaut all they could handle. Musta found a temporary pulse before and after we beat them by 638 points.
The "we beat 7-22, 1-13 in their last 14, 194 Kenpom, 203 t-rank, Seton Hall by 24 points so we're playing well!" argument is an interesting hill to die on.
Quote from: 1SE on March 03, 2025, 11:19:51 PMThe "we beat 7-22, 1-13 in their last 14, 194 Kenpom, 203 t-rank, Seton Hall by 24 points so we're playing well!" argument is an interesting hill to die on.
So you think Seton Hall had no pulse vs UConn and St. John's?
Simply stated, we're playing well. You denying it is an interesting hill to die on.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 03:22:40 AMSo you think Seton Hall had no pulse vs UConn and St. John's?
Simply stated, we're playing well. You denying it is an interesting hill to die on.
I think describing a team that's 1-13 in their last 14 and has won 2 games since December 6th (and is 217th in t-rank) as having a "pulse" is pretty interesting. I mean it's certainly better than we beat them by 24 than lost to them by 24 (or 683 points or 1000 points or whatever other hyperbole you've used), but I'll stop short of declaring that win as contributing towards evidence we are "playing well." Not when we lost to a non-NCAAT team 3 days later by 15 points (or 683 or 1000). Had we beat Nova by 15 I'd be much more on board with your thesis - as it stands - I think it is still a question mark.
Let's win the next 2 and be in complete agreement that we're playing well. Winning solves everything.
Criticisms against the team containing hyperbole get responded to with praise for the team containing hyperbole. Such is the way of the internet.
I can't get over how much scoop loves using hyperbole
We had people freaking out that a 28 point lead was cut to 12, even though our win probability never dropped below 97%. This place is less chill than an anxious squirrel who snorts cocaine.
Anyway, we are at the point of the season where its useless to project success or failure based on how the team looks. They just need to win the games in front of them. If it happens...great! No one should care how bad they look doing it. If they don't...well that sucks.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 04, 2025, 08:29:36 AMI can't get over how much scoop loves using hyperbole
It all goes back to the Crean years. Scoop is now the hyperbolic chamber.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 04, 2025, 08:29:36 AMI can't get over how much scoop loves using hyperbole
There's more hyperbole on this site than any other on the internet and I don't think it's particularly close.
Quote from: 1SE on March 04, 2025, 05:36:01 AMI think describing a team that's 1-13 in their last 14 and has won 2 games since December 6th (and is 217th in t-rank) as having a "pulse" is pretty interesting. I mean it's certainly better than we beat them by 24 than lost to them by 24 (or 683 points or 1000 points or whatever other hyperbole you've used), but I'll stop short of declaring that win as contributing towards evidence we are "playing well." Not when we lost to a non-NCAAT team 3 days later by 15 points (or 683 or 1000). Had we beat Nova by 15 I'd be much more on board with your thesis - as it stands - I think it is still a question mark.
Let's win the next 2 and be in complete agreement that we're playing well. Winning solves everything.
I think this would be a good topic to start your 1,683rd poll of the season on.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 04, 2025, 09:23:35 AMThere's more hyperbole on this site than any other on the internet and I don't think it's particularly close.
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Quote from: 1SE on March 04, 2025, 05:36:01 AMI think describing a team that's 1-13 in their last 14 and has won 2 games since December 6th (and is 217th in t-rank) as having a "pulse" is pretty interesting. I mean it's certainly better than we beat them by 24 than lost to them by 24 (or 683 points or 1000 points or whatever other hyperbole you've used), but I'll stop short of declaring that win as contributing towards evidence we are "playing well." Not when we lost to a non-NCAAT team 3 days later by 15 points (or 683 or 1000). Had we beat Nova by 15 I'd be much more on board with your thesis - as it stands - I think it is still a question mark.
Let's win the next 2 and be in complete agreement that we're playing well. Winning solves everything.
We're playing well. Sure, I hope that continues.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 04, 2025, 09:23:35 AMThere's more hyperbole on this site than any other on the internet and I don't think it's particularly close.
This seems like an exaggerated claim to prove a point and not be taken literally
Pretty amazing that Nova made everything vs us and can't make a shot vs Gtown. Must win game for them for any tournament hopes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2025, 08:12:31 PMPretty amazing that Nova made everything vs us and can't make a shot vs Gtown. Must win game for them for any tournament hopes.
Their only hope is to win the BET.
Probably and the same is true of XU.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2025, 08:34:50 PMProbably and the same is true of XU.
X very much has a path to make the tourney without a BET win
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 04, 2025, 08:44:13 PMX very much has a path to make the tourney without a BET win
They seem to have a pretty similar resume. 2 spots apart on the net.
Pretty big gag job from Nova if they lose this one. Up 9 with the ball under 4.5 mins.
Wow. How do you allow a lay-up there?
Yeah NOva collapsed
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2025, 08:55:33 PMThey seem to have a pretty similar resume. 2 spots apart on the net.
Nova with two Q3 losses and 1 Q4 loss. X with only one Q1 win is hurting them but no Q3 or Q4 losses
RIP Kyle Neptune's Nova coaching career
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 04, 2025, 08:44:13 PMX very much has a path to make the tourney without a BET win
I agree. 2 more regular season wins and maybe 1 more in the BET. not easy but X has to be consistent for a few games here.
BE needs 5 in tourney to buoy our reputation in the face of the big conferences.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 04, 2025, 08:57:54 PMYeah NOva collapsed
Their defense was brutal to close the game. It makes our loss to them a bit more upsetting that gtown punked them twice.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 04, 2025, 08:59:05 PMRIP Kyle Neptune's Nova coaching career
That was a horrific loss.
https://x.com/GeorgetownHoops/status/1897119608131457214?t=QgnOmFqBcl4XczQTQDGzzg&s=19
No-Pulse Georgetown deals desperate Nova a terrible defeat.
But our decisive win at Georgetown doesn't count because, you know GT has "no pulse."
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 09:12:53 PMNo-Pulse Georgetown deals desperate Nova a terrible defeat.
But our decisive win at Georgetown doesn't count because, you know GT has "no pulse."
But we still should have won by 35. :)
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 09:12:53 PMNo-Pulse Georgetown deals desperate Nova a terrible defeat.
But our decisive win at Georgetown doesn't count because, you know GT has "no pulse."
One of the teams with no pulse had to win :)
The turnout wasn't great (5,144) but a 40 minute effort really paid off for Georgetown. Had Eric Dixon got anything on the board in the first half (he was 0-8) this is a different outcome.
First season sweep for Georgetown over Villanova in 32 years.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 04, 2025, 10:25:59 PMThe turnout wasn't great (5,144) but a 40 minute effort really paid off for Georgetown. Had Eric Dixon got anything on the board in the first half (he was 0-8) this is a different outcome.
First season sweep for Georgetown over Villanova in 32 years.
Congrats!
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 09:12:53 PMNo-Pulse Georgetown deals desperate Nova a terrible defeat.
But our decisive win at Georgetown doesn't count because, you know GT has "no pulse."
Or, we lost decisively to a team that just lost @ no-pulse Georgetown. Yikes, makes that loss even worse. Or, you know, the last 4 games don't tell us much decisively and we'll find out a lot more about where this team is at tonight.
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2025, 12:05:58 AMOr, we lost decisively to a team that just lost @ no-pulse Georgetown. Yikes, makes that loss even worse. Or, you know, the last 4 games don't tell us much decisively and we'll find out a lot more about where this team is at tonight.
What are you expecting from us 1SE? Furious violence or a disappointing dud performance?
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 04, 2025, 10:25:59 PMThe turnout wasn't great (5,144) but a 40 minute effort really paid off for Georgetown. Had Eric Dixon got anything on the board in the first half (he was 0-8) this is a different outcome.
First season sweep for Georgetown over Villanova in 32 years.
Surely u mean 514?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2025, 12:24:32 AMWhat are you expecting from us 1SE? Furious violence or a disappointing dud performance?
I'm more pessimistic than I'd like to be - namely because we haven't beat a NCAATish on the road since 2024. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised and think that this is the first of an 11 game winning streak.
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2025, 12:05:58 AMOr, we lost decisively to a team that just lost @ no-pulse Georgetown. Yikes, makes that loss even worse. Or, you know, the last 4 games don't tell us much decisively and we'll find out a lot more about where this team is at tonight.
Georgetown and Seton Hall have had a pulse, you just don't want to acknowledge it because you've created a narrative and you're willing to die on that hill.
We're playing well.
It is a testament to the job Shaka has done that 15 point conference road wins and 30 point conference home wins can be sneered at.
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2025, 01:52:54 AMI'm more pessimistic than I'd like to be - namely because we haven't beat a NCAATish on the road since 2024. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised and think that this is the first of an 11 game winning streak.
Last year's team didn't win a road game against an NCAA tournament team after New Year's either. In fact, they only won 1 road game against an NCAA tournament team all year. Same as this year's team. So tonight is an opportunity to double last year's number of road wins over NCAA tournament teams.
Villanova's loss just proves how bad Marquette is right now and how Ed Cooley has GTown on the upswing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2025, 06:40:55 AMVillanova's loss just proves how bad Marquette is right now and how Ed Cooley has GTown on the upswing
Word in DC is that Cooley has some new ladies on his "team" that have reinvigorated him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2025, 12:24:32 AMWhat are you expecting from us 1SE? Furious violence or a disappointing dud performance?
Today is Ash Wednesday, violence from our Catholic team is unacceptable. As good Christians I expect them to turn the other cheek & submit
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2025, 12:24:32 AMWhat are you expecting from us 1SE? Furious violence or a disappointing dud performance?
Nm
Either/or. That's it?
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 05, 2025, 09:12:30 AMToday is Ash Wednesday, violence from our Catholic team is unacceptable. As good Christians I expect them to turn the other cheek & submit
Which cheek? You have Wingding's attention
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2025, 01:11:47 PMWhich cheek? You have Wingding's attention
Depends which one gets it first.
Something stupid people can latch onto as a "jinx" if the Johnnies start losing.
Hopefully we are the team to give people that reason on Saturday!
https://x.com/Davee_8/status/1897396595194520026?t=MYc_O3wi4w2t9ug7BZ46GQ&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2025, 04:26:21 PMSomething stupid people can latch onto as a "jinx" if the Johnnies start losing.
Hopefully we are the team to give people that reason on Saturday!
https://x.com/Davee_8/status/1897396595194520026?t=MYc_O3wi4w2t9ug7BZ46GQ&s=19
Is there a Jimmy Fallon jinx I'm unaware of?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2025, 04:46:16 PMIs there a Jimmy Fallon jinx I'm unaware of?
Some St. Johns fans saying they don't like the spotlight before March.
How would they know?
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We will be on fire tonight and turn the Huskies into ash
https://x.com/XavierMBB/status/1897456762913009673?t=fr5MnOZoPI7r9LAuHvP42A&s=19
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on March 05, 2025, 06:08:22 PMWe will be on fire tonight and turn the Huskies into ash
That works for me! Let's go!!!
DePaul is just so pathetic.
So, is Georgetown still back?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 04:54:46 PMSo, is Georgetown still back?
Progress. Wins over the last four years:
2021-22: 0
2022-23: 2
2023-24: 2
2024-25: 8
Congrats to unbeatable juggernaut Xavier for coming within 3 points of covering against mighty Providence.
Marquette might as not bother showing up at MSG, because X is just too spectacular.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2025, 07:04:21 PMCongrats to unbeatable juggernaut Xavier for coming within 3 points of covering against mighty Providence.
Marquette might as not bother showing up at MSG, because X is just too spectacular.
Bet you an expensive Seattle coffee that Xavier beats Marquette.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 07:07:49 PMBet you an expensive Seattle coffee that Xavier beats Marquette.
I don't drink coffee, but it's a bet if a coffee is a beer.
We're better than Xavier is and we're playing better now than Xavier is, so sure.
I have the added advantage of good mojo, because I'll actually be rooting for our alma mater to win.
Notwithstanding Blue's obsequiousness towards Xavier, we are better than them.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2025, 07:19:39 PMI don't drink coffee, but it's a bet if a coffee is a beer.
We're better than Xavier is and we're playing better now than Xavier is, so sure.
I have the added advantage of good mojo, because I'll actually be rooting for our alma mater to win.
Ok, beer bet at the best micro in Seattle - Sea Pine.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 08:02:31 PMOk, beer bet at the best micro in Seattle - Sea Pine.
Just glanced at their tap list, and I'm already looking forward to the Positron hazy IPA you're gonna be buying me!
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Quote from: MuggsyB on March 08, 2025, 07:24:48 PMNotwithstanding Blue's obsequiousness towards Xavier, we are better than them.
Torvik would disagree, but that's OK.
Somehow my comment several weeks ago that Xavier was playing as well as or better than MU has been translated into "Xavier is an unbeatable juggernaut". Maybe someone can point out when I said anything close to that. If I did, I guess I was also saying that MU is an unbeatable juggernaut.
Of course, that kind of hyperbolic sarcasm is pretty common on this board from posters who think they are staking out the high ground.
An objective observer might say that two teams that have identical conference records at the end of the season are pretty evenly matched. And some would also recognize that one team was handicapped by an injury that affected their best veteran player.
I look forward to MU proving that they are the far better team in a head to head meeting on a neutral court. Of course, you have already declared that you won't accept that Xavier is MU's equal even if they beat MU for a second time.
What do you expect the point spread in that game to be? If I am wrong that the teams are evenly matched, should MU be favored by close to 10 points?
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2025, 08:22:50 PMJust glanced at their tap list, and I'm already looking forward to the Positron hazy IPA you're gonna be buying me!
Last bet I collected on Scoop was from Goose. Look forward to it, Positron Hazy is amazing along with all their other IPA's.
Butler just got outrebounded 53-29 giving up 20+ offensive rebounds to Providence and was never really close to losing control of the game.
Crazy!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 05:05:11 PMButler just got outrebounded 53-29 giving up 20+ offensive rebounds to Providence and was never really close to losing control of the game.
Crazy!
Not that crazy.
Maybe Georgetown isn't "back".
Seton Hall lighting it up tonight. 4 points in the first 7 minutes
Minutes after losing to end their season, Ed Cooley says that if Sorber comes back that Georgetown will be cutting down the nets at MSG next year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 08:35:43 PMMinutes after losing to end their season, Ed Cooley says that if Sorber comes back that Georgetown will be cutting down the nets at MSG next year.
Lol.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 08:35:43 PMMinutes after losing to end their season, Ed Cooley says that if Sorber comes back that Georgetown will be cutting down the nets at MSG next year.
I've heard of teams that will practice cutting down the nets before the season as a part of goal setting. I assume Cooley is saying Gtown will be doing that at MSG during BE Media Days.
Nothing wrong with dreaming big.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 08:35:43 PMMinutes after losing to end their season, Ed Cooley says that if Sorber comes back that Georgetown will be cutting down the nets at MSG next year.
I would think Georgetown will be in the Crown or NIT.
Will Seton Hall make it to 40 points tonight?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 12, 2025, 08:57:36 PMI've heard of teams that will practice cutting down the nets before the season as a part of goal setting. I assume Cooley is saying Gtown will be doing that at MSG during BE Media Days.
Rick Pitino and Shaka both took over a struggling program and won the Big East in their second year and had a top ten team. Cooley just finished his second year as a bottom feeder and all he has are what ifs. Not off to a blazing start.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 13, 2025, 07:40:54 AMRick Pitino and Shaka both took over a struggling program and won the Big East in their second year and had a top ten team. Cooley just finished his second year as a bottom feeder and all he has are what ifs. Not off to a blazing start.
Dude had a .613 winning percentage at Providence in a decade of work... which amounted to one Sweet 16 appearance. I'm not sure why so many people thought he'd be able to fix a Georgetown program that stopped caring about basketball. Certainly, this year has been less embarrassing than others though.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2025, 07:45:30 AMDude had a .613 winning percentage at Providence in a decade of work... which amounted to one Sweet 16 appearance. I'm not sure why so many people thought he'd be able to fix a Georgetown program that stopped caring about basketball. Certainly, this year has been less embarrassing than others though.
I think Herm is the only person who thinks Cooley is a great coach. He's fine. Not Shaka level...not even in the same ballpark as Pitino.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2025, 07:47:43 AMI think Herm is the only person who thinks Cooley is a great coach. He's fine. Not Shaka level...not even in the same ballpark as Pitino.
Herm liked him because he cheated on his wife.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2025, 07:45:30 AMDude had a .613 winning percentage at Providence in a decade of work... which amounted to one Sweet 16 appearance. I'm not sure why so many people thought he'd be able to fix a Georgetown program that stopped caring about basketball. Certainly, this year has been less embarrassing than others though.
Truly overrated. The "his teams get better as the season goes on" defense of him was debunked multiple times, too.
Oh, and what if Sorber doesn't come back, which is entirely possible? Then is Cooley already saying his team will suck again?
Cooley was fighting for his player not winning the Freshmen of the year award. I don't have any issues with that. Seems like his temper got the best of him in the moment. I think Sorber was more impactful than McNeely and should have won it.
Cooley is not a great coach, but he is a good coach who had them trending in the right direction. Georgetown was a dumpster fire. I am sure Georgetown will start slowly rising to the middle of the pack regardless on Sorber's decision.
This Butler St Johns game is horrible lol.
As a side note, if GT could actually pull this off against Duke, Xavier fans would have to feeeel pretty nervous about a spot with a loss today.
That would clear a path for Wake or UNC to make a run.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 13, 2025, 11:35:18 AMThis Butler St Johns game is horrible lol.
As a side note, if GT could actually pull this off against Duke, Xavier fans would have to feeeel pretty nervous about a spot with a loss today.
That would clear a path for Wake or UNC to make a run.
Butler played SJ tough in both games this season. No surprise here.
Indiana losing would be beneficial to Xavier's at-large hopes
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 08:35:43 PMMinutes after losing to end their season, Ed Cooley says that if Sorber comes back that Georgetown will be cutting down the nets at MSG next year.
There's no downside to that prediction because he knows Sorber isn't coming back.
All right history buffs, when was the last time DePaul beat a team three times in one season, and who was it?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 13, 2025, 11:56:09 AMThere's no downside to that prediction because he knows Sorber isn't coming back.
"If Patrick Ewing comes back, we're gonna win the Big East."
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 13, 2025, 12:34:43 PMAll right history buffs, when was the last time DePaul beat a team three times in one season, and who was it?
I spent way more time on this than I should have, but I believe its 99-2000 when they beat Charlotte three times.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 13, 2025, 01:00:52 PMI spent way more time on this than I should have, but I believe its 99-2000 when they beat Charlotte three times.
That's what I was coming up with as well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 13, 2025, 11:35:18 AMThis Butler St Johns game is horrible lol.
As a side note, if GT could actually pull this off against Duke, Xavier fans would have to feeeel pretty nervous about a spot with a loss today.
That would clear a path for Wake or UNC to make a run.
Indiana and OSU's losses don't hurt.
This, from the game thread, wasn't your best prediction:
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 13, 2025, 02:36:13 PMAnother 💩 performance. I should have made a macro for this last half of the season. Do not feel bad about giving up on watching the second half and going back to work.
Prediction - they will go down by 14-16, make a great rally to cut it to 3 or less, and then lose with mental mistakes or missed free throws down the stretch.
Happy for you that you got to work instead of suffer through an exciting comeback victory. And even happier that I'll soon be collecting on this:
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 08:02:31 PMOk, beer bet at the best micro in Seattle - Sea Pine.
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DePaul 6 Creighton 2 at the under 16 TO
Creighton can't shoot or defend and look clueless
I just hope both teams compete in the best tradition of college athletics. With courage and good sportsmanship.
Go DePaul.
Creighton down 11. This program is a joke. Do they care? It's over. Been a nice season but they suck. Kalk should be at Chadron State
McD tanking so IU leaves him alone.
Creighton about to get boat raced
Wow. 11 points in 15+ mins?
They probably win by 10 now?
This is bad for Creighton. The future isn't bright. I can see them losing in the first round next week
Creighton basically quit on the season a month ago. Very similar to the Wojo teams
Looking forward to the optimists telling me Creighton can beat an 8-seed and 1-seed and make the Sweet 16
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2025, 06:48:48 PMLooking forward to the optimists telling me Creighton can beat an 8-seed and 1-seed and make the Sweet 16
But Kalky and Ashworth still have 3 more years of eligibility.
Boat raced
This is a lifeless team.
Unacceptable!
Creighton is not as good as today's opponent. We blew opportunities throughout the season to avoid this buzzsaw of a matchup.
Raff showing he's a bit senile saying that should be an F1 against DePaul. Instead 2 shots for DePaul, like pretty much all other humans would have thought seeing that play.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 13, 2025, 07:30:26 PMRaff showing he's a bit senile saying that should be an F1 against DePaul. Instead 2 shots for DePaul, like pretty much all other humans would have thought seeing that play.
Agreed.
But those were two big misses.
Fouls adding up for DePaul.
Refs completely missed that call. Should have been DePaul ball.
Another 💩 performance by Creighton . I should have made a macro for this last half of the season. I feel bad about not giving up on watching the second half and going back to work.
What in the world is Raft talking about. This is worse defense than the Wojo years
DePaul with a legit shot at seeing Friday night in the Garden.
Sound is on, for the first time tonight, at the DePaul bar I'm at. They are starting to talk serious crap. Big night for DePaul fans!
With all due respect to Raftery, he seems to be openly rooting for Creighton.
Back down 9 to a team not in the tournament. Broken team.
Program definitely needs 3 point shooters. Right now Creighton has 3 point brick layers
Can DePaul hold on? Wow.
Oh DePaul...
11-0 in 1:39.
That was one of the quicker 11 point blown leads you'll see
Creighton started fouling with 1.5 minutes left and only had to do it once.
Good grief DP
Wow. That was bad even for Blue Demon standards.
Never a doubt Creighton would come back.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 13, 2025, 07:58:15 PMWith all due respect to Raftery, he seems to be openly rooting for Creighton.
I think he was a high school teammate of Ashworth.
Ashworth fouled out
That's bad for CU
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 13, 2025, 08:14:47 PMThat's bad for CU
Normally it would be. But DePaul is still DePaul.
DePauling...it's a word
There are meltdowns....and then there's this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 13, 2025, 08:22:51 PMThere are meltdowns....and then there's this.
They scored 2 more in overtime than I thought they would
One of the craziest games I've ever seen.
Now Creighton gags one
Kalk taking that 3 there was certainly a choice
I refuse to watch 50 minutes of DePaul
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2025, 08:28:59 PMI refuse to watch 50 minutes of DePaul
I watched the final 4 or so minutes of regulation and that's been it for me.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2025, 08:30:50 PMI watched the final 4 or so minutes of regulation and that's been it for me.
I kept waiting for the Creighton run as a I copied game thread quotes to put in here and actually thought, huh, DePaul is going to win this. Idiot, I am
Wow.
That's not a step-back 3, that's a travel.
Clear travel on Kalky. That wasn't even close.
Too bad.
45% ft shooter made all four lol.
Quote from: Miss Katie's on March 13, 2025, 08:47:30 PM45% ft shooter made all four lol.
He was 5-11 before tonight in limited PT.
So, 45%.
I wonder if McDermott is grooming his 21 year old, former professional freshman to eventually assume Ashworth's role as a 25 year old leader.
Rooting for Nova.
Hurley finally T'd up.
I am convinced we are the only team Karaban makes threes against.
Mahaney and Tonje should do at clinic on blatantly pushing off with your left hand/arm.
Big half for Wooga.
Wow has Dixon been bad tonight. Wake up dude.
Neptune needs to sit Dix for a minute and calm him down.
Yeah Dixon has been horrible. Taking selfish shots.
Poplar has been amazing
Wooga hasn't gotten any help at all.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 13, 2025, 10:00:14 PMI am convinced we are the only team Karaban makes threes against.
4-6 tonight. Hes heating up at the right time.
I can easily see UConn moving up to the 7 line and beating a 2 seed to get to another S16. That's a nightmare draw for a 2 seed, especially if they play an ounce of defense.
We beat STJ, UC beats CR, WE BEAT UC in finals.
MU ends season having beaten every team in the BE.
Villanova with one basket the final 8 minutes. Woof.
Too bad for DePaul. Can't believe they blew a 11 point lead in 2 minutes. Hard to believe they forced double ot, down by 6. Unbelievable game.
Didn't Dixon have a real long double-figure scoring streak that got broken tonight, leaving Kam with the longest active streak?
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2025, 01:09:22 AMDidn't Dixon have a real long double-figure scoring streak that got broken tonight, leaving Kam with the longest active streak?
Close. He hadn't scored under 15 all year.
Top 4 Big East teams all make the semi-finals.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 06:34:09 AMTop 4 Big East teams all make the semi-finals.
Ummm...
I said what I said. SJU, Creighton, UConn, and MU are the top 4 teams in the Big East.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2025, 01:09:22 AMDidn't Dixon have a real long double-figure scoring streak that got broken tonight, leaving Kam with the longest active streak?
Kam already had the longest active streak.
Going back to that SHU game he gave the old college try and sitting after first TO I believe.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 06:46:37 AMI said what I said. SJU, Creighton, UConn, and MU are the top 4 teams in the Big East.
Well, actually, Xavier is equal or better
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2025, 07:08:37 AMWell, actually, Xavier is equal or better
I assume that is what JB was going for. I am sure they will do quite well in the NIT.
Slightly OT
The Big East schools that went to ACC from 2004-13 finished this basketball season a hilarious 36 games under .500
Miami (7-24) missed ACCT
BC (12-29) missed ACCT
VTech (13-19) 1st rd L
Pitt (17-15) 1st rd L
Notre Dame (15-18) 2nd rd L
Cuse (14-19) 2nd rd L
https://x.com/Licatacs/status/1900143283847798914
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 14, 2025, 10:07:27 AMSlightly OT
The Big East schools that went to ACC from 2004-13 finished this basketball season a hilarious 36 games under .500
Miami (7-24) missed ACCT
BC (12-29) missed ACCT
VTech (13-19) 1st rd L
Pitt (17-15) 1st rd L
Notre Dame (15-18) 2nd rd L
Cuse (14-19) 2nd rd L
https://x.com/Licatacs/status/1900143283847798914
TV money clears, I guess
Quote from: DoctorV on March 13, 2025, 11:24:35 PM4-6 tonight. Hes heating up at the right time.
I can easily see UConn moving up to the 7 line and beating a 2 seed to get to another S16. That's a nightmare draw for a 2 seed, especially if they play an ounce of defense.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 06:34:09 AMTop 4 Big East teams all make the semi-finals.
Last games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2025, 10:23:23 AMLast games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
Nm
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2025, 10:23:23 AMLast games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
Today's game canceled. Shaka decided other teams' benches were too deep, so he took the team home.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2025, 10:23:23 AMLast games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
I have no interest in investigating this, but maybe trying to prove something with one data point isn't a great idea?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2025, 10:23:23 AMLast games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
Or their starters are just worse and less reliable than ours?
If we're cherry picking one game stats.
Or Creighton went to multiple OTs with foul outs and SHJ played a shitty team in a blow out
Nope. All y'all are wrong. Everyone else has Marquette beat, as usual. That's why we're 0-32 this season.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2025, 10:23:23 AMLast games:
St. John's bench: 19 points
UCONN bench: 20 points
Creighton bench: 28 points
Marquette bench: 12 points
Would appear the other teams are deeper than we are.
Bizarre analysis. It's in the 70s today in Minnesota. Would appear to be a warm weather state.
Uhhhhh.....Creighton with an absolute clinic in the 1H.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2025, 09:18:45 PMUhhhhh.....Creighton with an absolute clinic in the 1H.
2 seed. Earned it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2025, 09:18:45 PMUhhhhh.....Creighton with an absolute clinic in the 1H.
Kalk only 2-3 in the first half and they're up 11. Green 7-7 for a career high 15 points. Great ball movement for CU.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 07:10:02 AMI assume that is what JB was going for. I am sure they will do quite well in the NIT.
you don't foresee 5 BE bids?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 14, 2025, 09:20:53 PMKalk only 2-3 in the first half and they're up 11. Green 7-7 for a career high 15 points. Great ball movement for CU.
They're only shooting 75%.
Quote from: Viper on March 14, 2025, 09:23:11 PMyou don't foresee 5 BE bids?
Not with UNC winning a couple and Texas beating A&M. Obviously you never know what the committee will do but Xavier being excluded wouldn't be a screw job.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2025, 09:24:59 PMNot with UNC winning a couple and Texas beating A&M. Obviously you never know what the committee will do but Xavier being excluded wouldn't be a screw job.
UNC is 1-12 in Q1 games. It's a joke if they get in.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 14, 2025, 09:29:16 PMUNC is 1-12 in Q1 games. It's a joke if they get in.
And Xavier is 1-9.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2025, 09:31:35 PMAnd Xavier is 1-9.
2-9.
But the argument isn't just between UNC and X.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2025, 09:31:35 PMAnd Xavier is 1-9.
Neither UNC or X deserve to be in tournament.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2025, 09:34:22 PMNeither UNC or X deserve to be in tournament.
probably true, but X was really down without Freemantle. Had he been healthy they are probably better than 13-7 in conference. Maybe the committee considers this
What a moronic play by McNeeley.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 14, 2025, 09:32:54 PM2-9.
But the argument isn't just between UNC and X.
Right. But that's what I mean about a soft bubble. If not them, then who?
If you look at the alternatives, there's a decent possibility that UNC, Texas, and Xavier all get in.
No need for that.
McDermott is a large man. Hurley was pissed but I noticed he backed up pretty quickly.
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 10:40:48 PMIf you look at the alternatives, there's a decent possibility that UNC, Texas, and Xavier all get in.
Or not.
Congrats to Creighton on the classy ending. And enjoy the arse-whuppin y'all will be getting tomorrow.
Not surprising, but Neptune out at Nova.
https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1900927080763642253?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2025, 10:19:33 AMNot surprising, but Neptune out at Nova.
https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1900927080763642253?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Yep. Who snags that gig?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:20:55 AMYep. Who snags that gig?
Well the rumor is that Ryan Odom prefers it to Virginia.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:20:55 AMYep. Who snags that gig?
Shaka probably since Scoop hates 2 seeds and 4 straight NCAA tourneys after 2 tourneys in 7 years.
And I don't blame him. He needs a reset with a fan base who likes making the tourney.
They should cop Will Wade before Indiana does.
Steve Wojiechowski?
Quote from: DoctorV on March 15, 2025, 02:18:42 PMThey should cop Will Wade before Indiana does.
Steve Wojiechowski?
Wade is going to go to NC State
Creighton not guarding Zuby at all on the perimeter.
Ww definitely don't want Creighton winning this game.
Find myself really pulling for Creighton here. Kalkbrenner altering everything.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 15, 2025, 05:54:24 PMFind myself really pulling for Creighton here. Kalkbrenner altering everything.
Could move us from a 7 to an 8 CR.
Creighton utilizing ultra drop coverage pretty well.
Creighton with 1 foul in tbe 1H.
We led St. John's at halftime, too.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2025, 06:29:55 PMWe led St. John's at halftime, too.
I expect St.J to win but we didn't lead with 1 total foul.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 05:45:52 PMWw definitely don't want Creighton winning this game.
Agreed. But will STJ wear them down to where they start falling apart like MU? we'll see. But definitely don't want Creighton scrubbed up ahead of us.
Kalky has been incredible in this game. I can't imagine though he will have enough gas.
Both games are great.
But flipping between this game and the zona/Houston game is jarring with the atmospheres.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 07:06:08 PMBoth games are great.
But flipping between this game and the zona/Houston game is jarring with the atmospheres.
The BEast is still the best conf tournament.
Wow. That's a T?
All of a sudden it's like a rhino stampede. Too much speed and power.
Think that might be it. The SJU train is rolling now
Creighton had a couple good look 3s miss and ashworth biffed a layup
Johnnies fast break is killing them with Richmond and Luis
Strength and Energy in the last 10 min. That's STJ. watching to see if CR folds. Already missed shots showing they're wearying.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:15:34 PMAll of a sudden it's like a rhino stampede. Too much speed and power.
Rhinos are evil and must be destroyed
STJ might lose to a bad matchup in the tourney ...but they are for real.
Look familiar?
Creighton hung around a little more in the 2nd half than we did
But this was quite the familiar game. The avalanche came
McDermott said in the huddle during the timeout that if they did their jobs they could hold SJU to five or six points the rest of the game.
They then went on to score 14 on their next six possessions.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 15, 2025, 07:21:29 PMLook familiar?
Very similar to our game. Thought both MU and Creighton fought hard but St John's was on another level this week.
Quote from: wisblue on March 15, 2025, 07:23:58 PMMcDermott said in the huddle during the timeout that if they did their jobs they could hold SJU to five or six points the rest of the game.
They then went on to score 14 on their next six possessions.
That was pretty funny..
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 07:16:29 PMRhinos are evil and must be destroyed
Rhinos can run 35 mph at 4000 lbs. They're living tanks. Have a little respect. They also behave exactly like puppies as baby Rhinos.
Creighton was never winning this game with Ashworth going 3/18
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:26:50 PMRhinos can run 35 mph at 4000 lbs. They're living tanks. Have a little respect. They also behave exactly like puppies as baby Rhinos.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:26:50 PMRhinos can run 35 mph at 4000 lbs. They're living tanks. Have a little respect. They also behave exactly like puppies as baby Rhinos.
I'd prefer Marquette Rhinos to Marquette Golden Eagles. Just sayin'
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:26:50 PMRhinos can run 35 mph at 4000 lbs. They're living tanks. Have a little respect. They also behave exactly like puppies as baby Rhinos.
Have some respect for them being big dumb rumbling beasts?
Would love for you to show some concrete data that baby rhinos are exactly like puppies.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 07:36:24 PMHave some respect for them being big dumb rumbling beasts?
Would love for you to show some concrete data that baby rhinos are exactly like puppies.
I've been to a Rhino orphanage in South Africa. They're tremendous animals. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 07:36:24 PM...
Would love for you to show some concrete data that baby rhinos are exactly like puppies.
Amazing whats said in Scoop threads. Maybe I'll miss scoop when fair weather flys off for 7 months after MUs run in March Madness.
Anyone who still thinks that RJ wasn't the player of the year doesn't know basketball.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:45:44 PMI've been to a Rhino orphanage in South Africa. They're tremendous animals. You have no clue what you're talking about.
You shoulda nuked the orphanage.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 15, 2025, 07:47:55 PMAnyone who still thinks that RJ wasn't the player of the year doesn't know basketball.
This is true.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 07:31:31 PMCreighton was never winning this game with Ashworth going 3/18
But at least he trash-talked after each of his three makes. What a poser.
I really like watching St. John's play. I hope they have a long NCAAT run.
As for the T against Luis ... an absolutely horrendous call.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 07:26:50 PMRhinos can run 35 mph at 4000 lbs. They're living tanks. Have a little respect. They also behave exactly like puppies as baby Rhinos.
Love sawing off their horn, it is fun.
I have to imagine that a good St. John's is very good for tv negotiations in the future
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 16, 2025, 10:02:00 AMI have to imagine that a good St. John's is very good for tv negotiations in the future
The current deal started this year and runs through 2031, and by all indications was good for the BE despite a poor St. Johns and DePaul since the new BE started.
Regardless, I'm not sure markets matter as much as they used to.
Quote from: Viper on March 15, 2025, 07:33:20 PMI'd prefer Marquette Rhinos to Marquette Golden Eagles. Just sayin'
But we dont have any rhinos. And none coming in. Oops, sorry, we do have Hamilton.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2025, 11:17:21 AMBut we dont have any rhinos. And none coming in. Oops, sorry, we do have Hamilton.
Did you know Willie, A rhino's erect penis can extend up to two and a half feet (76 cm) long and is shaped like a lightning bolt?
I have only been following MU hoops since 1983. In that time, it has been exceedingly rare for MU to have an Ejiofor style big. 6'9, cut 240 lbs, athletic banger.
Abraham? Only 6'7
Key? Not really athletic.
Merritt/Jackson? Closer
Theo? Physically, yes.
So, yeah, MU has not had an Ejiofor type very often. Caedin and Royce are the right size. Both need more tim in the weight room. Royce is more of the multi-dimensional 4 rather than a banger. Hopefully, he can get strong enough to hold his ground.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 10:07:18 AMThe current deal started this year and runs through 2031, and by all indications was good for the BE despite a poor St. Johns and DePaul since the new BE started.
Regardless, I'm not sure markets matter as much as they used to.
Technology speaking it starts next year. Peacock jumped in a year early with a small package of games.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 16, 2025, 11:27:23 AMDid you know Willie, A rhino's erect penis can extend up to two and a half feet (76 cm) long and is shaped like a lightning bolt?
Oh, he knows it. Intimately.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 16, 2025, 11:27:23 AMDid you know Willie, A rhino's erect penis can extend up to two and a half feet (76 cm) long and is shaped like a lightning bolt?
Ok. We do not have any stud rhinos
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2025, 03:11:21 PMOk. We do not have any stud rhinos
Yeah because Rhinos read scoop and see your posts
Zuby returning to St John's
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1905680249364603014?t=HadnCxEIDbQjQmDdfeKfcQ&s=19
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1906816601351176426?t=f95WQiFW48oAM3kyCPMtxg&s=19
https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1906821081333399791?t=wDl9vcqvHyymBFPB7-iXxg&s=19
RJ Luis, in interview with Stephen A Smith:
"I'm just hurt. Obviously, like I said, it wasn't my best performance, but I think (Pitino) could have done a better job of picking my head up. Just doing a better job of coaching me up, like how he's done the whole year, and it just sucks, it hurts. The way I played and the way we went out in the tournament, I'm gonna take that with me forever.
"I mean, that's my first time participating in March Madness, but definitely just hurt. One of those you can only control what you can control and coach Pitino made a decision which he thought was best for the team and I have to respect that."
So according to the BE POY, his HoF coach, Rick, changed in the way he handled his star athlete in the pressure packed situation of an elimination game in the NCAAt.
According to said HoF coach, his star player was letting his poor offensive performance affect his defensive effort and he therefore was better off on the bench...
Good stuff
And they could both be right.
There's no question that Luis was moping and had poor body language throughout the game.
Did Pitino do something to exacerbate that? Who knows. Did he do anything to help alleviate that and/or to take some pressure off Luis? Apparently not.
Neither covered himself with glory, and as a result St. John's went buh-bye.
Notably, Golden benched Clayton for several minutes in the championship game. And when Clayton re-entered, he was great.
I have no idea if Golden or his assistants said anything to help Clayton during his time on the bench, or if the benching merely cleared Clayton's head and got him to re-focus. Whatever, it worked.
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2025, 12:10:55 PMThere's no question that Luis was moping and had poor body language throughout the game.
Did Pitino do something to exacerbate that? Who knows. Did he do anything to help alleviate that and/or to take some pressure off Luis? Apparently not.
Neither covered himself with glory, and as a result St. John's went buh-bye.
Notably, Golden benched Clayton for several minutes in the championship game. And when Clayton re-entered, he was great.
I have no idea if Golden or his assistants said anything to help Clayton during his time on the bench, or if the benching merely cleared Clayton's head and got him to re-focus. Whatever, it worked.
The one area where the media and commentators have completely missed the boat is where Pitino mentioned three specific players during his press conference and did not mention Luis. That's because the three he mentioned (Richmond, Scott and Smith) were all seniors who had played their last college games.
Luis was definitely moping and giving up points on D both not getting back as well as not boxing out.
a big pick-up for the Johnnies:
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1912525619033747921
It says a lot about the state of college ball these days when guys are willing to give up a potential degree from places like Stanford and Ivy schools to chase an immediate NIL money now.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 16, 2025, 10:37:41 AMa big pick-up for the Johnnies:
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1912525619033747921
It says a lot about the state of college ball these days when guys are willing to give up a potential degree from places like Stanford and Ivy schools to chase an immediate NIL money now.
This is no different than it was a decade ago. Very few basketball or football players are choosing their schools for the degree they get after they're done. That's not new.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 16, 2025, 10:37:41 AMa big pick-up for the Johnnies:
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1912525619033747921
It says a lot about the state of college ball these days when guys are willing to give up a potential degree from places like Stanford and Ivy schools to chase an immediate NIL money now.
This dude was at USC for two years and Sanford for one. Maybe a better example out there if you want too grind that axe
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 16, 2025, 11:14:36 AMThis dude was at USC for two years and Sanford for one. Maybe a better example out there if you want too grind that axe
A USC degree is still worth more in the long term than a St John's degree ever will be.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 16, 2025, 11:36:37 AMA USC degree is still worth more in the long term than a St John's degree ever will be.
I genuinely think this says absolutely nothing about the state of college basketball.
Also, not sure this is even true anymore. And it definitely doesn't matter if his priority is pro basketball somewhere.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 16, 2025, 11:36:37 AMA USC degree is still worth more in the long term than a St John's degree ever will be.
He'll have St. John's and the NYC connections forever if he goes into something other than playing basketball. He'll also have a head start on earnings by quite a bit by making this move.
Again, very few D1 college basketball and football players are choosing a school for the diploma. This isn't something new since NIL became a thing. I'd argue it's easier now with NIL than when kids were leaving the same great schools for lesser schools prior to being able to cash out for the move.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2025, 11:56:35 AMHe'll have St. John's and the NYC connections forever if he goes into something other than playing basketball. He'll also have a head start on earnings by quite a bit by making this move.
Again, very few D1 college basketball and football players are choosing a school for the diploma. This isn't something new since NIL became a thing. I'd argue it's easier now with NIL than when kids were leaving the same great schools for lesser schools prior to being able to cash out for the move.
College ball, players are no longer amateurs, paid athletes, to some kids this might be 4 years that they make more money in there whole life, so until the NCAA decides to do something, go for it.
Why are MU kids not transferring, because MU pays really well, more then you think.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 16, 2025, 01:16:53 PMCollege ball, players are no longer amateurs, paid athletes, to some kids this might be 4 years that they make more money in there whole life, so until the NCAA decides to do something, go for it.
Why are MU kids not transferring, because MU pays really well, more then you think.
How do you know what wades thinks MU pays basketball players?
another Portal pick-up for Creighton.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1916613336596197778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1916613336596197778%7Ctwgr%5Eb3282a51a80ac765591bcea650011bcd5374839c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fmichigan-state%2Fboard%2F93%2Fcontents%2Fbasketball-transfer-portal-thread-246838045%2F
So many of these teams are adding like 6 or 7 guys. Reality is many of them will just ride the bench.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 28, 2025, 01:49:21 PMSo many of these teams are adding like 6 or 7 guys. Reality is many of them will just ride the bench.
it depends on how many they're losing to both transfer and graduation. Creighton, for example, lost four guys to the Portal (Issac, Miller, King and Johnson) and three to graduation (Ashworth, Kalk, Neal). Six of those seven were rotation guys.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 28, 2025, 02:42:14 PMit depends on how many they're losing to both transfer and graduation. Creighton, for example, lost four guys to the Portal (Issac, Miller, King and Johnson) and three to graduation (Ashworth, Kalk, Neal). Six of those seven were rotation guys.
King, Johnson, Miller were very little impact for the most part though. There will be a 19 PPG mid major guy in every conference that joins a power 5 and has a very small role. Happens all the time.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 28, 2025, 03:02:49 PMKing, Johnson, Miller were very little impact for the most part though. There will be a 19 PPG mid major guy in every conference that joins a power 5 and has a very small role. Happens all the time.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4897018/camren-hunter
Textbook example.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 28, 2025, 03:06:07 PMhttps://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4897018/camren-hunter
Textbook example.
Yup. Happens all over.
Karaban returning to UConn.
Not surprised. He wasn't very good in the second half of this past season and had fallen into Round 2 of most mock drafts I've seen. He'll make more in NIL while hoping to improve his lot for 2026.
A very good pickup for Nova. The Willard era is off to a good start picking up the pieces from the Ineptune error, er, era.
https://www.espn.com/recruiting/basketball/story/_/id/44949678/acaden-lewis-top-available-pg-recruit-commits-villanova
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 10:14:29 AMA very good pickup for Nova. The Willard era is off to a good start picking up the pieces from the Ineptune error, er, era.
https://www.espn.com/recruiting/basketball/story/_/id/44949678/acaden-lewis-top-available-pg-recruit-commits-villanova
Neptune (and Willard for that matter) have never had issues getting top talent
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 10:14:29 AMA very good pickup for Nova. The Willard era is off to a good start picking up the pieces from the Ineptune error, er, era.
https://www.espn.com/recruiting/basketball/story/_/id/44949678/acaden-lewis-top-available-pg-recruit-commits-villanova
I like that he said the coach he trusts most is the one who just bolted from a school in the middle of the NCAA Tournament.