Big East 2024 -25 Results

[Billy Hoyle]

Telfort withdraws from the draft and is heading back to Butler. Big news for the Bulldogs to vault them into the top 8 in the conference.

https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1795814738221556171?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[MuMark]

https://x.com/adamfinkelstein/status/1795892995926937975?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

[tower912]

Now THAT one is big.

[PGsHeroes32]

Crazy move. But big for Uconn

[mugrad_89]

Now THAT one is big.

I'm shocked he's coming back, unless he had a bad combine. 

[Nukem2]

I'm shocked he's coming back, unless he had a bad combine.

Actually, he played well. Dont know about the rest of the testing and measurements.

[The Sultan]

Karaban has a good shot from deep, but isn't terribly athletic and not really all that explosive. If he had a Sam Hauser 3 point shot, and it hasn't shown that yet, he might find a role in the NBA. But even Sam wasn't drafted.

[Herman Cain]

Karaban early candidate for Big East Player of The Year along with Kam

[Tyler COLEk]

Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.

[Hards Alumni]

Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.

Same with many of the returners.  I don't understand the mentality other than they're betting on themselves.

[tower912]

Better NIL deals than two way deals?

[Hards Alumni]

Better NIL deals than two way deals?

I guess?  Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year?  Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year.  Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.

"I got good feedback from the NBA," Sears told ESPN. "But I can still get better in a few areas. I want to show I am a dog on defense next season, continue to bring vocal leadership and work on my body and get into better shape. NIL has changed basketball and NBA teams told me that age isn't a factor in today's game, so I was comfortable coming back to try and bring home a national championship to Alabama."

[The Sultan]

I guess?  Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year?  Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year.  Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.

My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.

Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.

[Hards Alumni]

My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.

Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.

I agree with you.  And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year.  He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.

[The Sultan]

I agree with you.  And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year.  He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.

No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.

He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.

[Billy Hoyle]

No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.

He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.

your second point is dead on. Caraban is likely getting mid-six figures or more to stay. In the past, a low six figure deal overseas was more appealing than another year of playing college ball. Now they can stay and make more while still staying on the NBA radar.

[brewcity77]

Better NIL deals than two way deals?

It's possible, but the real value in the NBA is getting to that second contract. I'm sure there are better NIL offers than the roughly $560k cap for a two-way deal (though how many actually pay better at the end of the day is an open question) but if you're someone like Karaban who was looking at the back end of the first round, you're not just giving up the $2M per year (roughly) for four years, but delaying how soon you can get to a deal that pays you $5M+.

If I'm a potential first round pick, I'd be telling boosters that NIL deal has to be worth more than the first year of my second contract, but it seems most of these guys aren't thinking that far out.

[The Sultan]

But I don't think Karaban was going to be a first round pick. My guess is that if he had that feedback, he may have gone. But almost everything I have seen indicates mid-second round at best.

[Herman Cain]

247 Way to Early Big East power rankings

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/uconn-xavier-creighton-highlight-way-too-early-big-east-basketball-power-rankings-231989950/#2422361

[HutchwasClutch]

247 Way to Early Big East power rankings

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/uconn-xavier-creighton-highlight-way-too-early-big-east-basketball-power-rankings-231989950/#2422361

Georgetown #8?  As low as that program has fallen, that seems unrealistic. 

[DFW HOYA]

Georgetown #8?  As low as that program has fallen, that seems unrealistic.

Two questions:

1. Where would you rank them?

2. How does this change?

[brewcity77]

Two questions:

1. Where would you rank them?

2. How does this change?

Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:

League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier

At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler

Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul

So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.

You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.

I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.

So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.

Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in.  And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.

Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.

[Herman Cain]

Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:

League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier

At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler

Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul

So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.

You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.

I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.

So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.

Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in.  And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.

Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.

MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts . 

[wadesworld]

MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .

No it isn't.

[Lennys Tap]

MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .

Generally speaking, well coached teams (MU under Shaka) are better than the sum of their parts and poorly coached teams (Nova under Neptune) are worse than the sum of their parts. So for the time being anyway, yeah.