Big East 2024 Offseason

[wadesworld]

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.

Money talks.

[Lennys Tap]

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.

Wouldn’t “some tourney appearances” in the next few years mean success at St John’s?

[brewcity77]

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.

I thought that too when he was struggling to put a roster together, but now that they look to have high major talent, I think they will win sooner rather than later.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wouldn’t “some tourney appearances” in the next few years mean success at St John’s?

Not enough to satisfy St. John's fans.

I thought that too when he was struggling to put a roster together, but now that they look to have high major talent, I think they will win sooner rather than later.

We'll see. This is just a gut feeling on my part. I don't think he's the guarantee others seem to

[THRILLHO]

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.

The question isn't whether they meet some nebulously defined binary criteria for success. It's "will be be better then the alternative," which is more Mike Anderson or whatever replacement level coach they would've hired if Pitino wasn't on a redemption tour. I guess it boils down to return on investment though. Not sure how that math works out.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The question isn't whether they meet some nebulously defined binary criteria for success. It's "will be be better then the alternative," which is more Mike Anderson or whatever replacement level coach they would've hired if Pitino wasn't on a redemption tour. I guess it boils down to return on investment though. Not sure how that math works out.

I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Pitino will succeed at St. John's. I think they'll spin their wheels for a few seasons before he retires. Maybe some tourney appearances but no top seeds. Obviously just a prediction but I think St. John's is harder place to win than people think.

I agree with you.

[lawdog77]

I agree with you.

+2

[El Guerrero 2]

I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.

I don’t think that’s true in most cases. Look at PC and Ed Cooley. That guy used to walk on water in Providence and he never made any deep tourney runs. He just brought the program back to relevancy and wasn’t Keno Davis.

I think Rick can do the same and SJU fans will be ecstatic that they aren’t a laughingstock anymore. But I actually think he’s actually going to build a behemoth that will be a problem for the next 5 years until he retires. In four months he’s already put together SJU’s best roster in 25 years.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.

The guy is 70 years old...I doubt there is even time for your scenario to play out.  Who knows how long he wants to do this, but I would be shocked if its 5 years regardless of results.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't think that's how fans or schools measure success. If Pitino isn't getting them high seeds in the NCAAT and/or deep runs in March, they will run him out of town. Doesn't matter what another coach they could have hired would have accomplished.

In the last 20 years St John’s overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They’ve made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In the last 20 years St John’s overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They’ve made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.

I don't disagree with you but I don't think that's what most have in mind for Pitino. The impression I've gotten is that many expect that he will have them at the top of the Big East within a year or two.

[Herman Cain]

The key for Johnnies success is a coach who can capture the vibe of the city and sell that to recruits.

Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake

It took Mullin a few years to get momentum, he eventually did his last year with some talent on the roster. Unfortunately he lost his enthusiasm and quit

Anderson was never in sync with the city

Pitino will have frequent appearances on the back page of The Post and will generate excitement . I think he is pushing to have move more games back to The Garden which will help

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake

IDK about that.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't disagree with you but I don't think that's what most have in mind for Pitino. The impression I've gotten is that many expect that he will have them at the top of the Big East within a year or two.

He might, but getting them to UCONN or MU status is an awfully big ask. Middle of the conference, 6-10 seed in the tournament would constitute success imo. So basically we’re in agreement.

[wadesworld]

In the last 20 years St John’s overall record (including cupcakes) is 17 games UNDER .500. They’ve made the NCAA tournament 3 times and won zero games in it. Given that, anyone (fan or otherwise) who measures success as high tournament seeds and deep runs is either being unfair or delusional. I expect a marked improvement in the product which (imo) equals success. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.

New York sports fans aren't exactly the most rational sports fans out there.

[tower912]

Please list the rational fanbases.

[MUfan12]

Please list the rational fanbases.

We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Shaka got MU back to low MU standards in Year 1.  Even higher in Year 2. 

Slick Rick will get SJU back quickly.

[DFW HOYA]

The key for Johnnies success is a coach who can capture the vibe of the city and sell that to recruits.

Steve Lavin did a good job recruiting but got booted which was a mistake

It took Mullin a few years to get momentum, he eventually did his last year with some talent on the roster. Unfortunately he lost his enthusiasm and quit

Anderson was never in sync with the city

Some teams sell its city relationship better than others. DePaul and St. John's have more city ties. Georgetown and Villanova, less so.

[shoothoops]

Fellow New Yorkers will remember this ad campaign:

[El Guerrero 2]

Norlander referred to “The Brand Former Known as Syracuse” when discussing Maui on the Eye on College Bball podcast, and I almost lost it.

[Herman Cain]

English Enterprises with a European Trip This year. Should help their cause.

https://twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1684578046165360643/photo/1

[cheebs09]

We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.

Unless you are a CBS writer.

[Uncle Rico]

We're all nuts, but I do have to say that the MU twitter contingent is pretty solid in that regard. A lot of reasonable basketball people in that group.

You serious, Clark?