Big East 2024 Offseason

[Herman Cain]

I like the Bracket that all the Big East Teams are in.

[DavidBoone2inchesTaller]

So like 90% of NYC?
[/quBTW.

Picking on the New York Post? Why just them? All of the media is perverted, including the Post.  All of it. If you trust one side or the other, you are living a false reality my friend. Trust only the BIBLE.

[Herman Cain]

Seton Hall in First Four out. They screwed themselves by not getting a signature non conference win.

Johnnies got hurt by Bid Thieves.

Nova screwed the Big East by losing the 3 Big 5 games. 

Providence did well all year without Bryce Hopkins

X got unlikely with losing Freemantle and Hunter before the season started.

[Herman Cain]

Interesting conversation with Committee Chairman. Said it was the toughest process in many many years with all the Big Thieves.

Shows how important Non Conference is to staying off the bubble.

[Tyler COLEk]

Interesting conversation with Committee Chairman. Said it was the toughest process in many many years with all the Big Thieves.

We salute the Committee Chairman for a very tough job done Well.

[Herman Cain]

Pitino says NET is fraudulent

https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/

Pitino says no to NIT

[Scoop Snoop]

Seton Hall in First Four out. They screwed themselves by not getting a signature non conference win.

Johnnies got hurt by Bid Thieves.

Nova screwed the Big East by losing the 3 Big 5 games. 

Providence did well all year without Bryce Hopkins

X got unlikely with losing Freemantle and Hunter before the season started.

You are completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.

[rocky_warrior]

You are completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.

Disagree.  Other conferences have proven that clobbering Q3 opponents is fine for NET. 

[CountryRoads]

You are completely missing the central problems-DP and GT. THEY are the ones that "screwed the Big East" by being essentially cupcakes masquerading as BE conference members. Not Nova. Not any of the other teams. DP and GT. The other 9 BE teams played four games against those two embarrassments and as a result had their NET dragged down.

How much money does the conference lose out on having 2 or 3 less teams in?

[rocky_warrior]

How much money does the conference lose out on having 2 or 3 less teams in?

Lots.

[Scoop Snoop]

Disagree.  Other conferences have proven that clobbering Q3 opponents is fine for NET.

Yeah. I need to mostly walk my post back. Focusing just on DePaul with a NET in the 300's, they didn't help anyone in the BE. As has been shown in the DP/GT thread, the teams that didn't get an invite could have scheduled (and performed) better in OOC.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Pitino says NET is fraudulent

https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/

Pitino says no to NIT

Don't lose to Michigan and Boston College then.

Honestly, I didn't realize how bad they were OOC. They really have little room to b*tch.

[Herman Cain]

Shaka pointing out the middle class in Big East got hurt by U Conn great year and DePaul bad year.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/depauls-worst-year-ever-led-to-big-east-snubs-shaka-smart/

[Dr. Blackheart]

Don't lose to Michigan and Boston College then.

Honestly, I didn't realize how bad they were OOC. They really have little room to b*tch.

Left unsaid about the OOC results is the impact of the portal and how long it takes to gel with near complete roster turnover (with a bunch of transfers from different systems). Roster continuity matters.

[MU82]

Left unsaid about the OOC results is the impact of the portal and how long it takes to gel with near complete roster turnover (with a bunch of transfers from different systems). Roster continuity matters.

Agree, but didn't Pitino all but chase off most of the players from the previous regime and choose to rebuild through the portal?

I mean, he would have used the portal heavily anyway, but he made some philosophical choices.

I have a hard time feeling too sorry for any team that, if they just won another game or two, they'd have not had to beyotch because they'd have been in. The old "control what you can control" thing.

[Herman Cain]

Pitino opting out saying he is going to focus on Portal

https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/

Crean outraged at Teams declining NIT invite. 

https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/furious-tom-crean-goes-off-on-teams-declining-nit-invite/

What Crean is missing is with Portal the way it is now, a team can completely turnover ever year. So his logic of working with players doesn't make sense for teams that are going to do a wholesale change of roster.

 

[Nukem2]

Pitino opting out saying he is going to focus on Portal

https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/sports/rick-pitino-rails-on-fraudulent-march-madness-metrics-with-st-johns-out/

Crean outraged at Teams declining NIT invite. 

https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/sports/furious-tom-crean-goes-off-on-teams-declining-nit-invite/

What Crean is missing is with Portal the way it is now, a team can completely turnover ever year. So his logic of working with players doesn't make sense for teams that are going to do a wholesale change of roster.

Hmmm, the current players are being penalized in a case like SJU…..?

[Pakuni]

According to The Athletic's model, MU has a 1.4% chance of winning the tournament, 3.7% chance of making the finals, 9.1% chance of making the Final Four, 23.4% chance of making the Elite 8, 46.3% chance of making the Sweet 16 and 86.&% chance of winning Friday.
Has WKU has the 15 seed most likely to win.

Seems down on MU and strangely high on the WCC (St. Mary's and Gonzaga with a 13.1% and 9.4% chance of making the Final Four, respectively).
Also has Tennessee as the third mostly likely to win it all and make the Final Four. The model apparently wasn't fed Rick Barnes' record in March.

https://theathletic.com/5351206/2024/03/18/ncaa-tournament-projections-model/

[Warrior2008]

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived).  Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important.  In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.

The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume.  If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some.  I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both.  If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA).  Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team.  And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference.  The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.

[StillWarriors]

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived).  Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important.  In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.

The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume.  If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some.  I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both.  If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA).  Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team.  And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference.  The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.

The conference should have issued a press release as follows:

"F*** 'Em"

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived).  Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important.  In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.

The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume.  If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some.  I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both.  If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA).  Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team.  And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference.  The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.

The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct?  Of the 200 brackets, all but two of the schools were listed on 190+. Texas A&M on 167 and Virginia on 20. (UVa is an obvious head scratcher.)

Schedule tough non-conference games. Win most of them. Perform well in conference.

And the conference shouldn't say anything because the reasons SJU and SHU were excluded were pretty obvious. What Pitino wants to for the committee to ignore the beginning of the year and look at the latest results. Well unfortunately that's not how it works.  The late season eye-test can't cancel out your horrid start.

[Hards Alumni]

The selection criteria really aren't that ambiguous. Otherwise why would the 200 brackets a part of Bracket Matrix get almost everything correct?  Of the 200 brackets, all but two of the schools were listed on 190+. Texas A&M on 167 and Virginia on 20. (UVa is an obvious head scratcher.)

Schedule tough non-conference games. Win most of them. Perform well in conference.

And the conference shouldn't say anything because the reasons SJU and SHU were excluded were pretty obvious. What Pitino wants to for the committee to ignore the beginning of the year and look at the latest results. Well unfortunately that's not how it works.  The late season eye-test can't cancel out your horrid start.

Michigan State should be staying home, you can't change my mind on this.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Michigan State should be staying home, you can't change my mind on this.

LOL, I am not planning to!

We can discuss whether or not the criteria they are using is wrong, but it certainly isn't all that ambiguous.

[Its DJOver]

I don't think the committee is doing itself any favors when they come out and say things like they discounted SHs win against UConn because Clingan was hurt.  He got hurt in the 2nd half after SH already had a decent lead. Just keep your mouth shut about the specifics and say that overall their resume wasn't good enough.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that the conference hasn't responded to the snubbing(whether real or perceived).  Obviously there isn't much Val or the BE can do after the fact to change anything, but I do think showing member institutions that you have their back is important.  In their statement, I would also push for selection criteria to be less ambiguous too.

The most frustrating aspect of the bubble ever year is pointing to specific criteria for one team's resume while ignoring it for another's resume.  If you're going to value metrics, then use them for everyone and not just some.  I heard the chairman yesterday point to a couple MW schools metrics(Colorado St and Boise St) while ignoring St Johns who has better metrics than both.  If you're going to value Q1 wins, then take teams who have more Q1 wins(SH and Prov) before taking one's with less(Dayton, Mich St., and VA).  Dayton doesn't even have a single win over a tournament team.  And lastly if you're gonna value non-con scheduling and wins, don't put half of the Mountain West in who played few games of quality outside of their conference.  The Big East is right to be pissed about the snubbing, but the ham-handed nature of the selection process is only going to lead to calls for expansion of the tournament which I think everyone agrees is a bad idea.

My plan to show the committee up is by getting 2 or 3 Big East Teams in the Final Four and a BE team win the national championship.
Also, do the same with the NIT even if it's just the NIT.