Big East 2024 Offseason

[MU82]

Yep, it's a long season. We'll see where Seton Hall is in the standings 4 or 6 or 8 weeks from now.

[Herman Cain]

Excellent performance by The Hall. They have a very strong starting line up.

[DoctorV]

Yep, their metrics are really strong too. Some high quality wins. Up to 29 in Net I think.

29 KenPom
45 NET

Kinda doesn’t make much sense, bit of a head scratcher.

TLDR version
Run up the score.

9-8 ovrl
Lost to Oakland (16pt favorites)
Lost to Delaware (11,5 pt favorites)
Lost to Washington (slight favorites)
Lost to Purdue by 12 (17,5 pt dawgs)
Houston by 6 (8,5 pt dawgs)

Blew out St Mary’s (KenPom 38) by 17 as 5,5 pt dawgs. That looks to be the major metric coup OOC.
Also blew out cupcakes by bigger than expected margins.

In conference 20 pt wins over SH and Providence and 14 pt win over Butler also huge margins over expected spread.

So, it seems like they are really feasting on the metrics via blowout wins and big margins, which seems to be one of the flaws of those systems.

9-8 overall record while losing to not one, but two cupcakes that you were double digit favorite in would seem crippling, especially with no big signature wins.
Not so crippling to the computers when you trounce all your cupcakes, keep it close against the elites, and then get some “nice but not great” wins by 20 points instead of 5-10.

 

[brewcity77]

C - Donovan Clingan
PF - Bryce Hopkins
SF - ???
SG - Chase Ross
PG - Jordan Dingle
HC - Rick Pitino

Seton Hall is assembling an All-Big East caliber roster of people to get injured or miss games when they win. Baylor Scheierman better watch himself on Saturday.

[lawdog77]

Pitino's Dingle injured. Insert joke here________________________

[muwarrior69]

Everytime I watch Seton Hall nothing stands out as really impressive, but here they are still winning.

It does not matter, they were picked 9th.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It does not matter, they were picked 9th.

What does this even mean?

[Scoop Snoop]

C - Donovan Clingan
PF - Bryce Hopkins
SF - ???
SG - Chase Ross
PG - Jordan Dingle
HC - Rick Pitino

Seton Hall is assembling an All-Big East caliber roster of people to get injured or miss games when they win. Baylor Scheierman better watch himself on Saturday.

My souce tells me the NJ mob is involved.

[mug644]

It does not matter, they were picked 9th.

What does this even mean?

F*** 'em.

[Shooter McGavin]

That Seton Hall game was a throw in game on my mini plan.  I am sure of it.  Others were ND, Creighton and UConn.  Looks like a damn good game to be at now.  Looking forward to being there.

[GoldenEagles03]

It does not matter, they were picked 9th.

Good point!

[wisblue]

One thing I’ve observed in the NET era is that it helps to minimize the number of games against the worst of the bad teams.

At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300’s, that’s an even bigger drag.

Related to that is the OOC schedule strength. The Committee has often said that they encourage teams to challenge themselves and their selections often reflect that. Xavier’s OOC SOS is 31, Hall’s is 203.

[Its DJOver]

One thing I’ve observed in the NET era is that it helps to minimize the number of games against the worst of the bad teams.

At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300’s, that’s an even bigger drag.

Related to that is the OOC schedule strength. The Committee has often said that they encourage teams to challenge themselves and their selections often reflect that. Xavier’s OOC SOS is 31, Hall’s is 203.

Ehh, as long as you win your Q4 games by more than you're supposed to, you'll be fine. Houston has 8 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is over 36 and their closest win was 31.  They're 1 in NET. Win by more than you're supposed to, lose by less than you're supposed to and your NET will be fine.

[wisblue]

Ehh, as long as you win your Q4 games by more than you're supposed to, you'll be fine. Houston has 8 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is over 36 and their closest win was 31.  They're 1 in NET. Win by more than you're supposed to, lose by less than you're supposed to and your NET will be fine.

Of course Houston is fine, but I would bet that if the season ended today they wouldn't be the number one overall seed. For teams that find themselves on the bubble that OOC SOS could be the difference between getting a bid or not.

[Its DJOver]

Of course Houston is fine, but I would bet that if the season ended today they wouldn't be the number one overall seed. For teams that find themselves on the bubble that OOC SOS could be the difference between getting a bid or not.

But that's different than what you originally said, the committee and NET ranking are two different things. The committee might look at SOS, but SOS does not explain the difference in NET ratings referenced here.

At this point Xavier only has 2 Q4 games while Seton Hall has 6. That could partly explain why Xavier is rated higher than Hall. And if those Q4 games are against REALLY bad teams, like ones in the 300’s, that’s an even bigger drag.
 

Number of games in each quadrant doesn't play a factor in NET ranking, only margins of victory/defeat.  BYU is another good example, their 8 Q4 games isn't hurting them because they won by an average of over 32 points per game, NET ranking of 4.  Syracuse has only played 3 Q4 games but their average margin of victory is only 11, NET ranking of 73 despite having no losses outside of Q1.

[wisblue]

You’re right. I am jumping past the NET and looking at how teams may  be viewed for selection and seeding purposes.

I have little doubt that if the season ended today Seton Hall would be higher than Xavier in the pecking order despite being significantly lower today in the NET.

[Its DJOver]

You’re right. I am jumping past the NET and looking at how teams may  be viewed for selection and seeding purposes.

Yep, NET is an organization tool used to help the selection committee, but it is certainly not an exact science.  This is why Xavier only appears on one bracket on bracketmatrix and Seton Hall appears on 58, despite Xavier being ranked 20 spots higher by NET.

[wisblue]

Yep, NET is an organization tool used to help the selection committee, but it is certainly not an exact science.  This is why Xavier only appears on one bracket on bracketmatrix and Seton Hall appears on 58, despite Xavier being ranked 20 spots higher by NET.

And there are always at least a few teams in the top 40 of the NET who have virtually no chance of getting on the Seed List as high as their NET ranking and might miss the NCAA altogether if they don’t get an auto bid.

[wisblue]

UConn is completely suffocating Creighton

[tower912]

Return of Clingan.

[Scoop Snoop]

UConn is completely suffocating Creighton

The Creighton players look like deer in the headlights. I think they should go into the tunnel on the next commercial break and sneak out a back door of Gampel.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Creighton 3-pt% tonight = MU 3-pt% v. Butler.

[Herman Cain]

Excellent win for U Conn. Blue Jays live by the 3 die by the 3.

[Uncle Rico]

UConn good enough to go back-to-back

[MurphysTillClose]

UConn good enough to go back-to-back

Unless they win the regular season and tournament conference titles.