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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 13, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
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Nothing to say. Just starting the new season’s topic.
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Same ole Mitch
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What’s the point of drafting Dillon if you’re not going to use him at the 1 yard line.
One game in but looks like the Jordan Love pick lit a fire under Rodgers’ @$$.
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I think it’s more the second year in this system.
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Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.
Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.
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Pack kicked some a$$ today, impressive.
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Lions doing Lions things.
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Lions doing Lions things.
Maaaan Deandre Swift
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Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.
Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.
I stand by this
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Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.
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Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle outthinking himself.
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Occam’s Razor.
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The MVP of the Chicago Bears today was the Detroit Lions receiver who dropped a sure touchdown with five seconds left in the game.
I mean, you had good Mitch and Bad Mitch on display for the world to see today. Good Mitch in the fourth quarter is why Trubisky started over Foles. Bad Mitch in the first three quarters, along with the Bears’ inability to score meaningfully from the Red Zone was why the Lions almost snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.
Someone needs to tell both of these teams you gotta play 60 to win. The Bears got lucky but against Green Bay or New Orleans, they’ll get carved up like a prime rib on Saturday night.
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Not sure if it was just sound mixing but us bank stadium was by far the quietest stadium today.
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Packers need to work on their 'we're up three scores with 3:19 to go' defense. Other than that....
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Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.
Ugh.
It was even worse than it seems because they actually had used the FB to convert a 4th down earlier in the game -- the same exact play -- so it's hard to expect that it would have fooled the D. And the earlier play had only gotten the first down by a few inches, so it's not like it was a great success.
This was a rookie NFL coach and coordinator overthinking things.
The Panthers have what look like some good young players, but it's gonna be a looooong season here.
It was an entertaining game, though.
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Bengals with tough loss. Burrow had some rookie mistakes, but he also looked really good. I’m still all in on him as a future elite NFL QB.
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Derrick Henry's suit:
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1305296581302902784?s=19
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Minnesotan here. I kinda forgot the Vikings/Packers game was on today and missed it.
Reading the results, it's clear the team should start thinking about draft position, since there's nothing else meaningful to hope for.
MN's best path is to fake a COVID outbreak and end the season early.
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Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.
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Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.
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Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.
The fake fan noise at sporting events is annoying. Kind of like the canned laughter on the old sitcoms.
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Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.
You got that right!
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Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.
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Like most others, I wasn't a fan of the fake noise. But I did get a kick out of the fake booing when the refs made a call that went against the Panthers.
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Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.
You may have hit on something there. The time of possession was ridiculously in favor of the Packers (nearly 42 min to 18 min), so not many chances for the fake Vikings fans to cheer.
That said, I do wonder why the huge number of fake Packers fans who always fill US Bank Stadium weren't cheering more. ;D
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Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.
No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
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Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.
No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game. I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.
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Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.
No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Actually, isn’t that a change for McCarthy? I thought he typically went for FGs instead of being more aggressive in the red zone.
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It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game. I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.
My bad. Was going from memory, for some reason I had 5:00 min on my mind. At 12 minutes it isn't terrible.
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Lions doing Lions things.
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass. I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.
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Wow, dropping the winning TD pass. I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.
Ha, I did the exact same thing.
Rookie RB trying to catch a game winning pass. He started to turn around to see where he was before he caught the pass. All he needed to do was keep his eye on the ball and he would have landed in the end zone.
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Wow, dropping the winning TD pass. I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.
Ditto.
I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"
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Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.
No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Multiple Freak season ending injuries in week 1 is also a very Mike McCarthy thing.
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Ditto.
I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"
The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.
The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.
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Didn't see the game. I have seen the replays. Same old, same old. Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.
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The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.
The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.
I had the same thought.
It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.
Lions should trademark these ways to lose.
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Didn't see the game. I have seen the replays. Same old, same old. Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.
Don't sell your lads short, tower. This was an even crazier meltdown than their typical same old, same old!
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I had the same thought.
It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.
Lions should trademark these ways to lose.
How do you trademark infinity? It isn't that they lose. They will. No one ever went broke betting against the Lions. It is the infinite variety. If a single loss like this happened to... the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars. In Detroit, it is just week 1. Something like this happens at least once every year. Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta. It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends. The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired. Calvin Johnson not finishing the process. The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.
Ya gotta embrace the stink. Not take it personally. Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose. Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.
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Tower, were you originally from Michigan?
If so, what city?
Just curious. Worked and lived in Southfield and my mother was from Gaylord.
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I have lived in Michigan since 1971. West side of the state. I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
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How do you trademark infinity? It isn't that they lose. They will. No one ever went broke betting against the Lions. It is the infinite variety. If a single loss like this happened to... the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars. In Detroit, it is just week 1. Something like this happens at least once every year. Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta. It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends. The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired. Calvin Johnson not finishing the process. The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.
Ya gotta embrace the stink. Not take it personally. Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose. Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.
I lived through being a Packer fan in the 80s, but the Lions do take it to a whole new level.
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They should change their name to either the Washington Generals or the Wile E. Coyotes.
Beep beep
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I have lived in Michigan since 1971. West side of the state. I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
Growing up, summer vacations were taking the C&O ferry from Milwaukee to Ludington and then the drive to Gaylord.
Good memories.
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Lions doing Lions things.
so this means everything is back to normal in the world for 2020, right?
My co-workers 18-year-old kid was texting me ribbing me about the game (Seahawks fan). During his lifetime I've seen the same number of Lions playoff wins as he has - zero.
Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.
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Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.
‘Let’s throw it to the sure-handed kid….’
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Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries. Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.
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Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries. Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.
Joff Okudah, the #3 pick in the draft, didn't play because he "wasn't ready" (the injury is an excuse) but a 5th rounder started.
Throw-it for Trevor? Losing for Lawrence? What's going to be the mantra this year?
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Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries. Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.
They probably could use a guy like Darius Slay.
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Okudah has a hammy. Slay was too tired of losing to stay.
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Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF. The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything
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Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF. The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything
82 can relate.
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Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF. The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything
McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.
I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.
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Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days. I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.
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Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days. I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.
McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.
I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.
Agree fully with both of you. Spiegel was clearly the better of the two IMO, so him being booted and Parkins essentially being promoted was baffling. I really liked Goff. I don’t think he played as well with the older white dude demo of the Score, but I thought he was really refreshing and he and Bernstein actually had some great moments. I thought he actually did a good job of pulling Bernstein out of crotchety old man mode and making him truly funny at times.
I’ve talked about it before, but Parkins and McNeil LOVE not knowing stuff and thinking it’s hilarious. Both live in their little bubbles and can’t speak outside it. Last time the Bears were in London, they had a whole 20-30 min discussion how it was probably hard for the Bears to find “normal” stuff to eat, and how bad British food was. And it wasn’t a gag, they were serious. Parkins with his “I did 5 days in Europe when I was 23” know it all schtick and McNeil being xenophobic as usual. It was awful, as their show normally is.
Can McNeil and send Parkins back to some smaller market where he belongs
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Kickers:
https://twitter.com/joshdubowap/status/1305889187921448961
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Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days. I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.
Still listen to Bernstein. Way too pompous, but lots of good takes. But, McNeil is absolutely the worst. Never has a decent take on anything and his fishing stories are just as bad as everyone else’s fishing stories.
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I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.
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I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.
I miss lawrholmes in the evenings. Never get to catch his show in the car during the day. He needs a bigger show, he's earned it.
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McNeil has been fired.
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McNeil has been fired.
Ben Koo
@bkoo
This is to be expected when you’ve made a career out of looking for cheap yucks from an audience whose main advertisers are divorce and bankruptcy attorneys as well as erectile dysfunction solutions.
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Welp...
https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
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Welp...
https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
Packers will trade a young QB for him to improve the Bears starting lineup.
We'll miss you, Tim
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Welp...
https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”
This organization is such a mess
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McNeil has been fired.
We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.
He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.
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Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”
This organization is such a mess
Seems like the PERFECT time to trade Arob and Mack.
Go in next year with a rebuild.
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Welp...
https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
Update: no trade request
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1305998965620518914?s=19
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We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.
He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.
Probably not crazy to think there was a healthy helping of the latter and this gave them a convenient excuse to move on
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Damn you, Matthew Stafford. Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice
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Damn you, Matthew Stafford. Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice
Good for him.
Wonder how many UGa fans will stop cheering for him now....
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TNF ratings last night better than last year's week two game.
Obviously viewers love when players make statements on social issues (because that's what controls ratings, I'm told).
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Damn you, Matthew Stafford. Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice
I’m a big fan of Stafford. Think if he played with a competent line throughout his career he’d be recognized as a top QB in the NFL.
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Competent line. Competent defense, competent organization.
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Competent line. Competent defense, competent organization.
Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.
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Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.
IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there. Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?
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IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there. Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?
Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
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Turns out the Viqueens just suck.
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I think the Vikes should sign Cousins to a lifetime contract.
His QBR today was 15.9.
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Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.
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Fair comp. Archie spent a lot of his career running for his life, too. Only guy on the team you had to game plan for.
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Patricia and Quinn officially on the hot seat.
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Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.
Yep. Whenever I think of a quarterback with great stats and few wins to show for it, Archie comes to mind.
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Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
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So darn proud.
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Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
That takes quite a rare combination of talent and indifference.
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Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.
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"Fox is poised to spend up to $2 Billion per year to keep Sunday Football lineup."
This won't go over well with the people aren't interested in the NFL crowd.
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-21/fox-is-poised-to-spend-up-to-2-billion-to-keep-sunday-football?__twitter_impression=true
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They have money to spend after dropping golf.
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ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF?
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ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF?
It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.
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Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.
Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.
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It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.
Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.
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Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?
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Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.
3 and counting.
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Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?
When you have Get Up, First Take, PTI, SportsCenter, and all those shows in between running 12 months a year, and they have to have content to fill, yes, ESPN/Disney has decided it's worth a billion a year.
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Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?
Yup, used to produce/edit clips for Perform to distribute to their partners.
Highlight restrictions are so ridiculously strict to the point where we had to edit entire 5 set tennis matches down to 30 seconds. Those rights are ridiculously important.
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Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.
The NFL did ESPN a solid this year with a better schedule. Next week's Chiefs/Ravens game is on MNF, and arguably could be the game of the year.
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Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
And they fired Jim Caldwell for going 9-7.
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Classic Philadelphia Fans:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&_recirculation=1
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Classic Philadelphia Fans:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&_recirculation=1
haha, that is some serious /r/nottheonion stuff
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The Al Davis fake eternal flame is tacky as hell. Perfect for both Las Vegas and the Raiders.
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2020 Sucks, Part 7,443:
McCaffrey out 4-6 weeks with high ankle sprain.
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Classic Philadelphia Fans:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&_recirculation=1
Beautiful!
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NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/
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NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/
Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.
Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.
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Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.
Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.
Yep. It's also pretty common to see people with the mask covering their mouth but not their nose. Might work for mouth-breathers, but....
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Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.
Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.
Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?) But optics and stuff.
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Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.
Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?) But optics and stuff.
100% agree
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Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.
Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?) But optics and stuff.
Yep. Especially when they are tested daily.
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Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.
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Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.
Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?) But optics and stuff.
When you are huddled close together in a circle and yelling at each other, not hard to get it at all outside. If you do that with an infected person, I promise you will have it too.
Now Sultan's point of them all being tested is valid, and I agree it is largely optics. But poor optics when the only time the camera is really focusing on them, they remove their masks while in a group.
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Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.
i think that's due to them simulcasting on abc
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Bears stink
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Bears stink
So do the Skol Viqueens.
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Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.
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How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?
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Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?
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How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?
The entire staff should be. Quinn should have never been retained.
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Falcons emulating Detroit, too.
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Bears stink
Falcons stink worse. Much worse.
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Super Bowl LI Corollary: Never count the Falcon's opponent out.
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Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?
Ineffectiveness
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Bears are frauds
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They have beat the teams they are supposed to.
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Falcons stink worse. Much worse.
A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.
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Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.
So the Vikings ‘won.’
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But it was damn close. Titans time management at the two minute warning was shameful.
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Bears are frauds
Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit. :-\
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A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.
Settle down, Wades.
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Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit. :-\
There are pee wee league teams better than Detroit.
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A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.
3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.
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3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.
Shoot, man. Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0. Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.
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Shoot, man. Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0. Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.
But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.
Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.
A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.
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I had always been impressed by Mike Zimmer, but he's really been bad this year.
Of course, not as bad as extending Cousins.
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But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.
Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.
A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.
That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.
A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”
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That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.
A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”
You’re saying a coach has no say in who plays? Or some say? Or only say at certain positions?
Ain’t buying it. A coach with any self-respect would quit in a second. He would also lose all “cred” in the locker room.
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Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.
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Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.
Agreed. Even as a Packers fan, I recognize and respect the greatness of Gale Sayers. When an all-timer like him dies, there is no excuse for not doing something to honor him in the next game.
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Reports in Chicago are that Nagy pulled Trubisky not just because of the interception but also because of two overthrows in the first half.
His problem with Nagy was that Trubisky could not thread the needle on the deep routes. He tends to be ineffective unless he's running a dink and dunk offense. It's too bad because he is a good kid.
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Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.
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Adjustments and second halfs are night and day year over year. Packers first drives last season were always really good and then they just stalled. Now they’re scoring at will in the second half. LaFleur and A Rodg looking good in year two.
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Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.
Devastated. I was rooting for him to play just well enough to get a fat extension
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So just how awful are the Giants this season? The 49ers were missing TEN starters, including QB, RB, WR, and TE...and they still blew out the Giants 36-9 in NY.
On the plus side, they're only one game out of first in the NFC Least.
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Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.
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There seems to be more bad teams than usual in the NFL this year. Even teams that have winning records like the Titans, Bears, Rams etc. I'm not totally convinced on.
Fully expecting KC to roll through everybody this season if they stay healthy.
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Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.
After tonight, 19 teams will have scored as many or more points this season as the Jets and Giants combined.
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Bears are frauds
Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.
That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.
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Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.
That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.
Example 2.
The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.
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Example 2.
The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.
Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?
I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that
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Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?
I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that
Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.
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What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean? I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast. Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?
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What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean? I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast. Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?
I think it's a nice way of saying a defense so bad that the team can only win with a torrid offense.
Think Marquette basketball 2016-2018.
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Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.
Oh
Then your example makes no sense.
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Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?
I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that
Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far
As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/
The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/
So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.
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Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far
As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/
The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/
So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.
Thanks, pakuni. Hyperbolic is a better term than sarcastic, but the point remains the same.
Sarcasm isn’t bad though. I listen to WSCR a lot (because all Wisconsin sports talk radio is so bad), and they are always going on and on about their Championship defense.
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No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles. I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue. They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more. And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).
I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
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Every decade or so, the Bears have a team that has a horseshoe up their backside. It appears we have reached that time.
Here’s the thing about NFL defenses thus far, they all stink
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Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far
As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/
The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/
So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.
Am I missing something here? The ESPN article you cited had the Bears Defense FPI index at 7. The other articles call the Bears a top 5 defense. I think the word "Elite" is being generously thrown around here, first by the person (not Dickerson) who put the ESPN headline together, and then by The Athletic and whoever Fansided is.
They're currently 9th in PPG (they'll most likely move up to 8 at the end of this evening), 7th in sacks, 4th in takeaways, 1st in passing touchdowns against. For context's sake, they are middle of the road in YPG, rushing TDs against.
Small sample size for everyone.
Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.
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What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean? I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast. Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?
I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."
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No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles. I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue. They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more. And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).
I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
Ya.
I can't remember who, but a fairly knowledgeable football guy on twitter yesterday said as soon as Foles came in the Falcons stopped run blitzing as they had to respect the whole field.
The Falcons stink.
But defenses will have to treat the Bears differently with Foles under center.
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I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."
IMO, I don't think the Bears D is "stout" either. They're coached and constructed to play with a lead and pass rush like crazy.
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No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles. I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue. They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more. And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).
I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
I agree. It’s a playoff team if Foles stays healthy.
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Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.
Nobody is saying they're awful.
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I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.
I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.
I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.
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What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean? I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast. Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?
Extrapolating from the evidence, it means making exactly one play per game.
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I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.
Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top
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Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.
I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.
I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.
He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).
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Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top
I think Mitch was more of the girl that gave you a beej in the library, then you wanted to check out obscure periodicals for no damn goid reason.
Mitch is too dull the be the drunk girl on the bar.
Otherwise i like your thought process.
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Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?
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He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).
Reminds me of Rick Mirer of Notre Dame drafted (I think) 3td overall by the Seahawks a number of years ago. Like Trubisky, he was big, fast and had a strong arm. His biggest drawback (like Trubisky) was that his strong arm was not especially accurate. Oh, and (like Trubisky) he didn’t really have a “feel” or instincts for the game. How teams overlook those two things when drafting QBs is beyond me.
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8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.
It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
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8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.
It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
Congrats to the Bears on finishing this year undefeated.
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8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.
It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.
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There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.
MLB had expanded active rosters, 60 man clubs and taxi squads and still shut down the Cards & Fish for a week. Will be interesting to see what happens in TN & MN.
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8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.
It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
Vikings have stopped practices while they figure out how to handle the possible exposures.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/29/vikings-stop-practice-after-titans-players-test-positive-for-covid19
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Thank you, Donald Trump, for bringing back football. I am, indeed, very proud of you.
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8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.
It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
Titans\Steelers game has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.
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Titans\Steelers games has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.
I don’t understand the benefit of a one or two day delay since people might not test positive for several days after exposure. They might just as well play on Sunday....
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Probably because of the quarantine window.
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the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love. aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense. he's gonna show the young fella how it's done
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html
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Probably because of the quarantine window.
In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.
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the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love. aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense. he's gonna show the young fella how it's done
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html
I think it's a little of both. Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it. I think that is what you are seeing.
I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.
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NFL says Steelers-Titans game won't be played in Week 4 after two more positive tests
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30015123/nfl-says-steelers-titans-game-played-week-4-two-more-positive-tests
And here we go....
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In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.
14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.
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I think it's a little of both. Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it. I think that is what you are seeing.
I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.
I think we are seeing Rodgers do a better job of taking what the defense gives him. His time to get the ball out has dropped significantly. I’m thinking he’s a lot more comfortable with the system and receivers.
It sounds like Rodgers is taking Love under his wing. I saw an article about how active he is in meetings explaining what he’s seeing to the other QBs.
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14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.
CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html
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CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html
With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.
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With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.
It might shorten the time frame a bit. But it still often takes several days from exposure until the test turns positive.
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AP source: Titans’ outbreak now up to 17 with 3 more results
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-nfl-tennessee-titans-minnesota-vikings-football-1d47b23f90eb64c79b229c148bd16f83
Another Tennessee Titans player and two staff members tested positive for COVID-19, raising the team’s total to 17 since Sept. 24, a person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press on Saturday.
The person spoke on condition of anonymity because neither the NFL nor the Titans had announced the latest results.
This is the fifth straight day that at least one member of the Titans’ organization has had a positive test result return. The Titans placed a cornerback from their practice squad on the reserve/COVID-19 list on Sept. 24.
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The Titans had hoped to return to work inside their own building Monday or Tuesday. But with continued testing still returning positive results that propect is at risk as is the Titans’ next scheduled game, Oct. 11 against the Buffalo Bills in Nashville.
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Given that positive tests can continue to roll in for a week or two after exposure, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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Cam newton covid positive
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Cam newton covid positive
I just saw that.
I don't know what he did to get it. Maybe was somewhere he shouldn't have been. But I still feel badly for him. Here's a guy who did absolutely everything he had to do to rehab from a number of injuries, he joined a new team and fit in right away, and he was having a great season for a team with SB aspirations, and now this.
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Chiefs practice squad QB positive
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This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.
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This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.
They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.
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They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.
Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.
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Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.
And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?
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And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?
No, because the NFL’s broadcast partners aren’t going to let that happen.
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And just like the initial NFL statement on the Titans' outbreak, they are talking about moving it to 'Monday or Tuesday.' Totally irresponsible, and inconsistent with CDC's quarantine guidelines for direct contacts.
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And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?
Unlike baseball, there's nothing (such as the weather) stopping the NFL from extending the season, if necessary. If they need to push the playoffs back to February and Super Bowl to March, they can. Heck, they can push it into April or May. Not like the stadiums and hotels are going to be booked up.
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Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.
And the NFL can extend the season by a week. Sonething much harder in baseball.
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So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?
No bueno.
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At some point they may just take “your 14 best results” and move on.
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So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?
No bueno.
If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.
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Let me put it this way...
There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.
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Let me put it this way...
There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.
Indeed. The same reason they're playing in the first place.
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Let me put it this way...
There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.
Yup.
If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.
I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.
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Yup.
I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.
There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.
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There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.
I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.
I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.
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I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.
I think that's the key. If their playoff spots are locked in, it could be one of those games where the teams don't take risks, rest their stars to avoid injuries and nobody cares who wins. But if playoff positions, home field or the like are on the line, it could be ratings gold.
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As long as they get the 17 weeks in, the NFL won’t extend the season for a handful of missed games. Most people who were going to watch Pats / Chiefs are just going to watch Bills / Raiders instead.
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Won't someone think of the fantasy football implications????
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I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.
I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.
Bingo. There isn’t a chance in hell CBS is going to give up one of their biggest games of the year to have it be possibly meaningless in Week 18.
Every year, one network gets the short end of the stick on scheduling and this year it was CBS. With a re-negotiation taking place, and CBS already forfeiting an early window next month for The Masters, the NFL will do everything possible to play this game this week.
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I think it's a little of both. Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it. I think that is what you are seeing.
I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.
i'd be cool with that. next year, trade up for lawrence and keep the fire going ;D
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CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html
nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-
" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious
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nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-
" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious
My post was referring to quarantine time since exposure.
Your post talks about something totally different; quarantine time since symptoms appeared and the patient recovered (assuming the person develops symptoms).
The CDC‘s guidance on a minimum of 14 days after exposure has remained unchanged for months.
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Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.
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Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.
Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.
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Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.
Good news in the short term. Still hope they go to hotel bubbles so they have a better chance of getting through the season.
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Weekly update: bears are still frauds
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I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.
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Thank god for the Sunday Ticket, or that would have been a brutal three hours of my life.
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Foles almost threw about 5 interceptions last week, so it's hardly surprising that he was mediocre (at best) today.
He's a journeyman -- pretty much the definition of the term -- who was in the right place at the right time a couple years ago. But I don't blame the Bears for trying him. Trubisky obviously isn't the answer.
The Bears are very fortunate to not be 0-4. Looking forward to when the Panthers get to play 'em in two weeks.
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I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.
But he still made multiple throws and reads that Trubisky never would. Doesn’t make him great, but shows how rough the options are.
Then again, it probably didn’t matter with what Nagy was play calling. 3rd and 1 in a close, still winnable game? Let’s run it with Patterson, not on an end around but up the middle. Umm what? Not to be out done, decides to go for it on 4th and 2 from his own 25 in a 2 possession game with basically the entire 4th quarter left. What does he call? Deep throw to David Montgomery. I mean what? Bailed out by a PI but what a horrific set of decisions.
To quote Denny Green, coincidentally also about the Bears, they are who we thought they were
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Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?
I can’t see it.
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Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?
I can’t see it.
Not a chance. Given the success of the passers chosen behind Trubisky, there isn’t a sane owner who would give Pace another shot at it. He went all in and came up bust.
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Zero positive tests from the Titans today.
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I’m shocked neither of the Patriots or Chiefs have had additional positives. That’s really good news.
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The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.
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He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM. Really has set that franchise back.
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The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.
I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim.
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I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim.
Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.
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Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.
Funny.
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He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM. Really has set that franchise back.
Bill O'Brien's trades:
Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th
Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
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Bill O'Brien's trades:
Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th
Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Wow. Several Scoopers would be better NFL GMs than him. And I'm not joking.
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The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.
Well, they did just lose to the Vikings. Seems like an appropriate response.
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How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?
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How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?
The play was poorly blocked not matter who the RB was.
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Nice timeout Dan Quinn
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Nice timeout Dan Quinn
Goodness gracious that was awful. That’s a McCarthy special.
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He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM. Really has set that franchise back.
What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.
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Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?
Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
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Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?
You’re nuts, Wades. It’s Jimmy Graham every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.
Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked. Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.
Like... what the hell.
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We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.
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We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.
Yep, the last couple years, offense was unbelievably stale under him.
Impressive they’re rolling this way even without Adams too. Fun to watch.
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Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked. Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.
Like... what the hell.
That decision was on one guy, Ron Wolf. Wolf was undeniably great for the organization, but what a 💩 to finish a great career. And Harlan, really didn’t want to sign off on Sherman having both jobs, but he had such trust in Wolf.
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Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?
Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.
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They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.
Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
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I'm pretty sure he means just this year.
Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack. @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.
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BTW, after not really watching much of the Falcons over the last couple of years, I've now seen them in back to back weeks. Two thoughts:
1. They should have fired Quinn after last year. Not sure what hanging onto him has done.
2. Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot.
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I'm pretty sure he means just this year.
Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack. @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses. BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
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I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses. BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
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I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses. BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
I don't really get hung up on this stuff after four games regardless. The Packers are good. Is this season going to be "special?" We will see.
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2. Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot.
Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.
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Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
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That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
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That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
Rodgers can flick it 20-25 yards with his wrist alone, like a classic power hitter in baseball. Ryan, OTOH, appears to be trending towards end-stage Peyton Manning.
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And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
You get what you get when you date a Bear fan.
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I'm pretty sure he means just this year.
Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack. @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.
A little bit more maybe...but probably not much, since the upcoming opponents look only marginally better than the first four.
Houston (0-4) is as bad as any team GB has played, and GB has already beaten MN (1-3). Tampa (3-1) has a decent record...but they lost to NO and their wins are against teams with a collective 4-8 record. SF (2-2) looks worse than Tampa, with losses to teams that are 3-4-1 (Philly?!?) and wins over the 0-8 Giants/Jets.
If the Packers lose more than 1 of those games, then yeah - we will have learned something. But if they go another 4-0 or 3-1, it'll just be more wins against so-so competition.
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So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
So the Packers dont have a 51 point margin of victory in those games. Never mind, not worth arguing the point, Sultan is right only 4 games in. The eye test looks pretty good to me though
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Through a quarter of the season, the Pack is the best team in the NFC. Shouldn’t be too much angst out there. A lot can change over next 13 weeks, but if they stay healthy and with their favorable schedule, they should be a legit one seed.
It’s not the Packers fault that the North plays the bad AFC South or the mediocre NFC South. They’re taking care of business with little doubt.
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I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses. BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
That same "weak" argument was true last year. The packers were probably the weakest 13-3 team in 50 years. The barely squeeked by against very weak teams, usually with blown calls going their way. Then they got anhilated twice by San Francisco. Down 34 to 7 at the end of the 3rd in the nfc championship.
This year so far they are much better.
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Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.
It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.
It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
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It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.
It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.
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On other thing. The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying. I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge. Just keep it silent.
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Yeah, I think the virtual crowd noise is silly. It's rarely *actively* distracting, but it's never a benefit.
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On other thing. The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying. I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge. Just keep it silent.
Yep. Same with basketball, baseball, whatever. It's like the canned laughter of the old sitcoms.
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On other thing. The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying. I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge. Just keep it silent.
I agree. Do the networks stick with it becuase they want to keep the low level on-field audio, and its the only way to drown out all the problems the censors would have? E.g. the NFL broadcasts want to keep enough of the on field audio to make out the QBs' hard count, the lines smacking against each other on the snap, that type of thing. But even at that low level, without any other ambient noise, how much cussing would the mics also pick up? Maybe they need some kind of crowd/white noise to both keep the same level of field audio and also stay on the FCC's good side?
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Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.
Ryan is no quick thinking genius. He uses s hard count to get GB to jump offsides and then just slides for a 2 yard gain. There is never a reason not to throw downfield when that happens. What was even the purpose for Ryan’s hardcount?
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Two more Titans players test positive, putting their second straight game in jeopardy, and another Patriots player tests positive so practice has been halted.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060584/source-tennessee-titans-player-tests-positive-coronavirus
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060441/source-new-england-patriots-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-covid-19-no-practice-team
Where is the NFL on creating hotel bubbles?
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Titans broke protocol and held practice.
Now have more positive tests.
How should they be punished?
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Titans broke protocol and held practice.
Now have more positive tests.
How should they be punished?
Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.
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Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.
https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week
The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week. I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive. That's going to happen. But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.
And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC. Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.
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https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week
The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week. I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive. That's going to happen. But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.
And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC. Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.
I'm on board. Unless the Packers do this.
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I'm on board. Unless the Packers do this.
Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.
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Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.
I was just joking. :)
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https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19
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https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19
That would sure send a strong message (and the right message).
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This officiating crew sure loves their camera time.
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They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.
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Defense was impeccable that second half and it was still barely enough. Gonna be a very up and down season for the Bears.
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Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.
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Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.
Also 0-2 in the handshakes with BDN
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The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.
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The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.
Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.
Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?
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Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.
Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?
Sid Luckman has been spotted warming up.
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So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result? ;)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test
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So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result? ;)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test
Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
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Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.
That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.
He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.
Looked 43.
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That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.
He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.
Looked 43.
Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.
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Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.
I thought Brady said something like "like it was poor execution," which was him basically admitting he forgot without him saying he forgot.
Ariens said "of course he remembered" which, although completely false, was the right thing for a coach to say.
Anyway he made a couple of nice throws early but as the game wore on, his accuracy and zip seemed to slip. It's gotta be tough to be one of these older quarterbacks, who have so much understanding of what a defense is trying to do and where they want to go with the ball, but they are physically not able to do what they used to.
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That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.
He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.
Looked 43.
His yelling was after Ryan Jensen played maybe the worst drive I've ever seen from an individual OL, so that one felt justified. But to your point, he looked an awful lot like a game manager
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They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.
So Buffalo has to play Tennessee Tuesday night and then turn around and play Kansas City on Thursday? When was the last time an NFL team had to play two games in three days? Seems insane/unfair.
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They moved the Thursday game to Sunday.
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Another TN staff member tested positive. Time to make them start forfeiting games. Lost revenue, sure, but for the sake of the whole pie
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New England and Tennessee shutting down their football compounds.
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Broncos-Patriots cancelled. Adjust your fantasy rosters accordingly AMD call your bookies ASAP
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And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.
Time for a football bubble?
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Put Kushner in charge.
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And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.
Time for a football bubble?
Priority one for the NFL and its owners is protecting the shield. Players and personnel are well down that list
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First-place Panthers!
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I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.
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I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.
We’ll see. He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game. Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.
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In retrospect, here is what the NFL should have done with its schedule.
Each team plays 15 games over 17 weeks. No inter-conference games. There are AFC only bye weeks in November and December. Ditto the NFC. Any games that need to be postponed are moved into those weeks.
Having an early bye week makes no sense. What are the Packers going to do if they, or their opponent, has positives now? The NFL didn't make any schedule adjustments and here we are...
Then they need to take a week off after the season and move into postseason bubbles in different locations a la MLB. I don't know what they are going to do if they have positives during a playoff week.
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Sounds like Dan Quinn is finally on his way out.
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Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.
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Why would they not have put him on a stretcher and lifted him onto the cart? Or at the very least pull the cart right up next to Dak? Having had a pretty ugly ankle injury in middle school, I can’t imagine them handling that any worse. It’s obviously excruciating no matter what, but any movement is going to be an absurd amount of added pain. Trying to hold his leg while he hops 10-15 feet over to the cart? What?
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Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.
This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.
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Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?
12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.
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12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.
Where?
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We’ll see. He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game. Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.
Totally agree. I was being goofy. If I had to bet today, I’d bet on them to win it all again.
Meanwhile ...
Panthers better without McCaffrey?
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Where?
Las Vegas.
Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.
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Las Vegas.
Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.
Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.
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Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.
The Draft Kings line was up before the season. Once the Season started they would either adjust the line or stop taking bets on the prop. Maybe the only way to play it now is with a book who will allow a big open ended parlay.
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The Vikings, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
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If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.
The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.
Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.
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If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.
The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.
Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.
I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid. He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half. Hate watching it.
But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful. Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.
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This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.
100%
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Looks like the Vikings are trying to out-Lions the Lions.
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I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid. He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half. Hate watching it.
But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful. Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.
I think you go for that every time. They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line. If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.
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I think you go for that every time. They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line. If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.
I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."
But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.
Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.
Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.
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I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."
But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.
Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.
Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.
One other aspect is Matthison was killing them on the ground. He had a gaping hole but missed it. Kicking the FG gives Seattle 20 yards of field position with a touchback and them needing a TD anyways. Then you get into OT with Seattle who have played a much better second half.
Maybe I’m scarred by the Packers giving up so many tying/losing touchdowns at the end of games, but I think going for it was the right call. Russ just showed why he’s a top flight QB. Going for it was the only way to have the chance of him not touching the ball again.
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Part of this is the culture that decries risk-adverse coaches. But of course we then criticize them when the risky move doesn't work out.
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It was the right decision, IMO. Game over if you can get a yard. Seahawks have a chance if a FG is attempted, make or miss. End the game when you get a chance. Unfortunately the RB just missed the hole.
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Again, I'm saying what I would have done. I fully understand the rationale for going for it. You make the foot, you win the game. It's understandable.
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Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.
People who kick the field goal are science deniers.
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Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.
People who kick the field goal are science deniers.
I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.
That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.
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Now that Quinn is gone, how much time does Zimmer have left?
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Ordinarily, I would agree with the decision to go for it. However, they were playing a backup RB. He had been having a great game after Cook’s injury, but still that’s a lot of pressure to put on an inexperienced player’s shoulders.
Then again, I’m glad they lost, so I fully support the decision to go for it, even with an inexperienced RB. ;)
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This Saints team has 8-8 written all over it.
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Brees doesn’t look very good.
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Brees doesn’t look very good.
Age has a way of catching up with people. Both Brady and Brees are great quarterbacks, but they clearly are well past their prime.
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Would love to
see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.
Fixed it for myself.
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I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.
That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.
Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.
Sorta like
God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God
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Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.
Sorta like
God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God
Well ... duh!
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Would love to see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.
Fixed it for myself.
It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.
This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.
My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry
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Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks. Do what Cleveland did.
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It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.
This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.
My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry
Yep. Going into the prevent offense too soon has cost teams many games over the years.
It also happens in college hoops. <Cough - four corners - cough>
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At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks. Do what Cleveland did.
If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
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If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
I disagree. A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster. A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined. Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco. I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team. As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.
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If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
And if I’m Trevor Lawrence, I ain’t going there unless they have a competent new GM and coach
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I disagree. A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster. A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined. Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco. I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team. As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.
The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.
If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.
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The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.
If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.
The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.
But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.
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The Lions were terrible before they drafted Stafford. Oh, wait...
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The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.
But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.
Broncos were 8-8, 10-6, 2-7 (strike) previous 3 seasons. I'm not gonna get into a silly Scoop semantics war. I said they "sucked" before he went there. 2-7. But sure, at 20-21 previous 3 seasons I'll happily move to "mediocre" for the sake of harmony.
Good points about the staffing changes on other teams. The Jets certainly should be looking to do the same, but maybe they won't.
I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.
I think we probably will get to see, because the Jets sure as shyte ain't winning many games.
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I disagree. A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster. A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined. Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco. I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team. As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.
What MU82 said.
The Bungles have pretty much the same roster as last year, but just adding Burrow - who's not the prospect Lawrence is - has made them competitive.
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB, especially not one seen as the top QB prospect in a decade.
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I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.
If there is anyone who may be the one to turn down NY, I feel like it could be Lawrence. From small town Georgia, very religious, already engaged to a GF that doesn’t even go to Clemson. Now many have started on that path and veered sharply once fame and riches of the big show beckoned, but on paper I could see it.
Burrow I think was also unique cause the Bengals allowed him to be a hero in his home state after not having the chance at OSU
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Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.
It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....
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Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.
It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....
Lawrence is light years ahead of the guys you mentioned but your point stands
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Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge
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Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.
It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....
None of those guys were considered surefire.
And Lawrence isn't surefire either, but he's the closest to it since Luck.
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I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta. (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)
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I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta. (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)
You think so? I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.
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You think so? I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.
I just mean from a headcase comparison. Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.
I agree that he is better than Mariotta.
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I just mean from a headcase comparison. Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.
I agree that he is better than Mariotta.
Gotcha! Agree on that, too
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I just mean from a headcase comparison. Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.
I agree that he is better than Mariotta.
I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.
With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.
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So where does Le’Veon end up?
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I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.
With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.
And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations.
I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around
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https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20
Oh.
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https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20
Oh.
And the play officially never occurred due to offsetting penalties.
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https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20
Oh.
Reminiscent of the time Bo Jackson carried Brian Bosworth into the end zone. Don’t think Boz even slowed him down…
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And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations.
I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around
In his rookie year, Manning threw a league-worst 28 interceptions and led his team to a 3-13 record.
But I think the pick worked out OK.
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Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge
Maybe they should go to Gainesville.
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In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.
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In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.
Counterpoint: Justin Fields couldn't take playing time from Jake Fromm.
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Just because Kirby made a poor decision...
And I say that with understanding WHY he made that decision at the time. But in retrospect, it wasn't the correct one.
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In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.
Fields needs to improve his decision making. He made some really stupid throws last year. He has a bit of Terrelle Pryor in him being just a freakish athlete and being able to overcome some stuff as a result of that. But I do agree that he projects very well if he lands in a good spot
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Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html
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Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html
Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.
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Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.
Wait ... you mean they haven't shut down their season already?
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Can you shut down something that never really started in the first place?
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Fair point. I sit corrected.
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RIP Fred Dean.
Died after going to the hospital for COVID.
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Vaughn McClure, who covered the Bears for the Tribune when I was in Chicago and most recently has been the Falcons reporter for ESPN, died at age 48. No cause was given.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30122237/vaughn-mcclure-espn-atlanta-falcons-reporter-dies-48
Vaughn was a very good reporter and a great guy.
He is the third journalist I knew well to die in the last 2 1/2 weeks. Bill Rood, who hired me as a columnist with Copley and later became a Tribune executive, died at age 78 on Sept. 30; and former AP hockey writer Ken Rappoport, who probably was the nicest person I've ever met in journalism, died earlier this week at 85.
Man, 2020 sucks.
Interesting side note ...
Bill Rood probably is best known for writing a detailed defense of John Kerry after Kerry had been "swift-boated" during the 2004 election run-up.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0408220342aug22-story.html
There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago--three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.
One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other.
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Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.
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Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.
Refs have been terrible in this game. Horrible interference call on each team, and an awful roughing the passer call. Need to drug-test the refs!!
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Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.
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Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.
Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture
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So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.
Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?
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So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.
Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?
Jets might not win a game.
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Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture
I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.
Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?
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Wow. Thanks for not running the ball, Nagy.
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Shyte. Doesn’t matter.
Bears D better than Panthers O. Deserved to win.
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Moot point but I really don’t understand how Aaron’s rush wasn’t a td.
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Football's Boo Birds Are All Cooped Up
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/sports/football/philadelphia-eagles-fans-boo-jets-giants.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
NFL fans in the Northeast, lusty booers in normal times, have had to watch their teams' dim performances Fromm afar, without recourse. "I have no way to release my venom," one Jets fan said.
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Might be time for yoga or meditation.....
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Jets might not win a game.
Can they fire Gase at halftime? Lifeless doesn’t even begin to describe that team right now
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Badly missed offside on Rodger’s 2nd INT
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Ass kickin', aina?
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Ass kickin', aina?
Yes.
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I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.
Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?
During the 3-game winning streak, he was outstanding. He sucked today. Could have made up for it if he held onto that last one ... but alas he didn’t.
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Ass kickin', aina?
They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too. Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.
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They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too. Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.
Hard to compare bc this year they were all stuck in GB (or maybe Door Co / Dells / Blue Harbor) vs somewhere sandy & warm.
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They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too. Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.
Rogers sucked major ass, too. He threw off his back foot often and probably was rattled with the hit (spearing) at the goal line, hey?
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Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.
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Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.
Vrabel looks and sounds like a meathead, but he's turning out to be a really smart hire.
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I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.
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I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.
And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.
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And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.
Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place.
This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history. Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.
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The Cardinals gelled a bit in the 2nd quarter, but that first quarter was some of the worst NFL football you will ever see. Cowboys were terrible but the Zona offense was beyond out of sync. The announcers mentioned Murray was hyped up to play back home, but he looked like he didn’t even practice with the team the last week and change with how bad he was missing WRs. McCarthy has his work cut out for him cause my goodness they look terrible.
Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management. That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting
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Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place.
This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history. Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.
Agreed...but it ain't gonna happen.
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Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management. That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting
So that's where Nagy gets it from, huh?
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ITS TUA TIME!!!!!
I like it. I have been worried that Miami would rush Tua, and while this is still a bit earlier than I'd like to see him in there, it seems to be coming from a position of strength. Fitzpatrick has been fine-to-good, they've won 3 of 4 with the loss an 8 pointer to Seattle, and they're arguably in playoff contention in a weak AFC East. They had their bye moved to this week from week 11 due to schedule reshuffling, so that probably plays a role here too, but the time seems right enough.
Also, there is no overstating how much it helps to have as cool a customer as Fitzpatrick on the other side of this. If Tua starts taking too much punishment or starts losing confidence, I think Miami could go back and forth between them without having a true QB controversy. A lot of credit for the Dolphins' ability to bring Tua along at his own pace goes to Fitzpatrick. If he doesn't want to hunt a starting job for a QB needy 6 win team this offseason, I hope Miami finds a front office landing spot for him.
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After a week of listening to the Seahawks try to sell an Antonio brown signing as a redemption tour he’s headed to Tampa Bay.
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I don’t like smug Sean Payton very much but I do like the way he coaches. He just went for a TD on the last play of the half in a situation that probably the other 31 coaches would have kicked a FG.
Defense has been optional in this entertaining Panthers-Saints game.
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Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
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Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
True. Somehow, they even managed to make the Washington [ ] look pretty good.
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Davante Adams is so good.
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JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.
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Davante Adams is so good.
Yep. Crazy good stat line today. 13 rec for 196 yards and 2 TDS.
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The last hour of football is what makes Sunday Ticket totally worth it.
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The last two weeks, the Lions have beaten a really bad team and a team that is out choking them this year.
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The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.
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The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.
Dish
I was just about to post the same thing. Newton is as bad as Brady is good. And Brady is really, really good.
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JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.
I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.
Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.
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Belichick forgot how to coach. 8-)
Every coach needs great players to win - even great coaches.
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The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.
Sad to see Cam struggle like this, but glad that if he has to struggle it's for the Patriots!
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I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.
Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.
You think Nagy is innovative?
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You think Nagy is innovative?
I do. The problem is that he is not a good head coach. As an OC, I think he could do great things with Watson.
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Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.
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Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.
Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.
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Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.
Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.
Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.
I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years. I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.
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Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.
Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.
If I’m Lawrence and the Jets don’t make changes, especially the head coach, I’d Eli my way out of there.
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Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.
Seems a bit unnecessary. I mean obviously would take him in a heartbeat if the price is right but do the Bears even have enough cap room?
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Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.
I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years. I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.
Mertz might not start next week. Positive covid test.
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Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?
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Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus? And then get drafted by an NFL team?
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I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.
Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.
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Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus? And then get drafted by an NFL team?
;D
Actually, though, it will be 2years if he develops into the QB they think he will be.
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Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus? And then get drafted by an NFL team?
Covid long-hauler. Then he's gonna resort to bleach and UV light injections and be miraculously cured.
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I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.
Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.
Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.
I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.
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Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus? And then get drafted by an NFL team?
Being a skill player in that offense sets you back about that long
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Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.
I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.
IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.
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IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.
Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.
Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.
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Bears are still frauds.
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Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.
Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.
It’s amazing how Lockett has went from a burner deep threat to a legit discussion as a top 10 WR. He’s just remarkable with his footwork.
As for the Bears, Trestman was a joke but I’ve not hated a coach like I hate Nagy. His arrogance and baffling game mismanagement is just something else. Just went turnover on downs from 1st and goal from inside the 5 and never once looked to Robinson. Just a joke
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Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you? They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on. Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team. Cowboys are dreadful, though.
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What is bad about the Cowboys IMO is that the strength of that team just a couple of years ago, the offensive line, has gotten old and hurt quickly, and the replacements aren't there.
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You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you? They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on. Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team. Cowboys are dreadful, though.
Last 20 games record:
Jets 7-13
Cowboys 7-13
One of the Jets 7 wins...versus Dallas.
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You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you? They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on. Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team. Cowboys are dreadful, though.
Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand. They also lost by 9 to Denver.
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Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand. They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Do you get to play the Bears this year?
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Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand. They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Wow, a fellow sufferer. I stand corrected. I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.
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You think Nagy is innovative?
I was wrong. You are right.
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I was wrong. You are right.
I’m not here to defend Nagy, but he doesn’t have much to work with. Kmet looks like a dude and ARob can play but the rest of the skill players aren’t very good, especially the QB
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Wow, a fellow sufferer. I stand corrected. I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.
Accurate. And yes, the stat I had heard was the first single-possession game result. Sadly.
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In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.
I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.
I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.
Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason
2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid
2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara
2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.
2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder
Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).
In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.
The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.
Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.
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In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.
I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.
I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.
Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason
2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid
2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara
2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.
2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder
Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).
In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.
The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.
Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.
Appreciate the info, Dish.
Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?
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Great post, Dish.
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Appreciate the info, Dish.
Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?
No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.
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If D'Andre Swift holds on to that pass on the goal line, the narrative of two teams changes.
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No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.
Typo? Or Freudian slip?
Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.
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DEAD ON, NAILED IT POST
You established a beachhead on Nagy early and never waivered, kudos. I fought you on it cause I was refreshed to see some “modern” wrinkles in the offense and in general some promising signs after the moribund end of the Lovie tenure and dumpster fire which was John Fox. But Nagy has taken this team to a place where my desire to watch them is more in line with a 2-3 win mess of a team, not a team that’s finishing with 8-9 wins.
Nagy’s arrogance and stubbornness is what grinds on me. See what McVay and the Rams do with Robert Woods running the ball? It’s usually well timed and schemed (fumble for TD not withstanding) and it’s pretty effective. Contrast that with Nagy running Patterson. Starting him in a single back position, running him between the F-ing tackles, or slow sideways stretch runs, just terrible. Hell, the 4th down run that got completely and utterly stuffed yesterday? He already tried that same play with Patterson early in the season with the same damn result. Couple that with terrible game management like coaching scared and not calling a TO in the first half and you get a joke of a HC.
Also, there is no way it was a “miscommunication” between Griese and Foles when Foles told him he knew certain play calls wouldn’t work before they were ran cause of timing. That was CYA by Foles for saying too much. More classic Nagy “smartest guy in the room who is actually not that smart” nonsense
Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.
It’s also why you see a great defense start to fold in certain games. They run out of gas/generally get demotivated when the offense isn’t helping drive their pass rush. It’s beyond frustrating to watch.
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Monty in the backfield and QB under center? Monty run up the middle.
Patterson in the backfield and QB under center? Patterson run outside.
Any other formation/alignment is a pass.
I don't know actual percentages, but I bet that's ridiculously close to being accurate.
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Typo? Or Freudian slip?
Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.
Good catch, typo on my part.
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Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.
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Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.
Can't throw the ball downfield much in 30-40 MPH winds
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Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.
The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
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The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
True. Defense is so soft.
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Pathetic and apathetic showing from the packers today. Vikings defense is decimated and they can’t do anything.
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True. Defense is so soft.
Hopefully, this is Pettine’s last year.
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Classic case of PI and refs pick up the flag.
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Packers terrible today.
Also, probably one of the most obvious pass interference calls, and they pick up the flag.
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Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?
Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.
The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.
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Ass kickin', hey?
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All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.
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Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.
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That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.
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Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.
Receivers have to get down there. He was almost sacked against the Lions when he completed the Hail Mary.
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All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.
With a lower salary cap next year and Jones and Williams becoming fee agents, I think the Dillon pick was OK.
The Love pick was brutal - I didn’t think he was special in college, and I think he projects as a Trubisky comp. You can’t punt on 1st round picks.
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That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.
That is a really out there stat, interesting find.
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Minnesotan here. Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.
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Minnesotan here. Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.
The trip pretty much ends their season anyway, doesn’t it? Between Green Bay and Orlando, they are bound to have a major Covid outbreak.
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Wtf is Chuck Pagano doing? Garbage defense with 1:30 to go in the half.
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This Bears third quarter has been...interesting.
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Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.
It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y
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Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.
It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y
They need to root for Houston to lose and hope Tua plays well. Miami has the Texans pick and they will demand a king’s ransom but it it might be worth it for a number of teams.
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Wrong.
Bears need about 3 OL picks before even considering ruining any potential QB
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Refs getting caught up in the Soldier Field mystique!
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This bears offense is so, so bad.
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This bears offense is so, so bad.
Yet, infinitely better than anyone in the NFC East.
Man, the Dallas/Philly game is terrible.
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Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?
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Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?
Now that’s funny, Doc.
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Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?
Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.
The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.
I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.
Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen. And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.
The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.
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They've lacked speed and physicality on defense for the better part of a decade. I thought Gutey might fix it, but it's not looking great.
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I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.
Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen. And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.
The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.
I have been a doubter of Gutekunst since day one. I just don't see it. You have a team go to an NFC Title game, have some huge holes exposed, and your response to it is to...draft a QB3, RB3, (your 2 strongest positions), TE4, and don't have a 4th round draft pick. But hey, at least you addressed the ILB by signing an ILB that has always been hurt. And guess what? He got hurt in GB, too.
He came in and spent a lot of money on the defense right away. But is the defense that much better than it was when Ted was the GM? It's better against the pass, but if you're smart with your game plan all you have to do is not make your average or bad quarterback throw the ball down field and you win. Look at what the Bucs, 9ers, and Vikings have done, and the defense really doesn't stop anyone. They can't stop the run, they can't get to the quarterback, and they can't create turnovers. Not a recipe for a great defense.
On the offensive side of the ball, he seems to love good size with no speed, athleticism, or hands at the skill positions.
Packers will rack up wins in the division like they always do, get a 2 or 3 seed, and get the doors blown off by a team with speed defensively and discipline offensively in the Playoffs.
And having Mark Murphy as your president doesn't help anything.
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I don't necessarily mind the idea of picking Rodgers' successor in the draft in concept. I'm just highly doubtful that Love will end up being worth the pick.
But yeah, the rest is pretty spot on.
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I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.
Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen. And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.
The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.
I think Gary is going to end up being a solid player who has a long career. My concern is that he's going to start playing well year 4 right when he's due for more money. He was always going to be a project and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn into a player after leaving GB.
Agreed with the rest.
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Well apparently AJ Dillon has tested positive. So who knows what's going to happen this week.
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What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:
**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.
Bubble in two locations for playoffs.
**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.
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What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:
**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.
Bubble in two locations for playoffs.
**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.
Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.
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What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:
**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.
Bubble in two locations for playoffs.
**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.
But what about the pro bowl???
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Very strategic move by the Pack. Covid outbreak. Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.
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Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.
I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.
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Still a full half left, but another game that makes no sense. Giants completely handling the Bucs. Brady looking terrible. Bucs mismanaging the game while Daniel Jones has been calm and clinical.
Their schedule is fortunate in this regard, but not that surprising to see a 43 year old QB struggling in cooler temps. But man Brady has been terrible. Missing on their second drive over the middle to put them nearly in the red zone. Incompletion to a WIDE OPEN Evans who torched his man cause Brady wobbled it in there. Throwing short of the sticks in bounds on 3rd down to end the half. Yikes. Maybe weeknight football doesn’t work with the TB12 method
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I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.
Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?
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Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?
Yes.
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With a few minutes left last night, Bruce Arians opted to kick a FG for an 8-point lead rather than go for it on 4th-and-a-foot; had the Bucs made it, the game would have been over for all intents and purposes.
The Bucs made the field goal for the 8-point lead but the Giants drove down the field, converting several long 4th-down passes, and scored a TD. However, the Giants failed on the 2-point conversion when Brown passed too late to hit an open receiver.
Mike Zimmer faced almost the exact same decision last month in the Vikings game against Seattle (something several of us discussed on Scoop when it happened).
Zimmer decided to go for the half yard rather than the chip-shot FG for the 8-point lead, the RB was stopped, and Russell Wilson marched the Seahawks down the field for the win.
I believe "the sheet" says that Zimmer played the odds better than Arians did. I hope that's a comfort to him.
FWIW, I would just about always kick there and take my chances on the opponent being able to drive 75 yards, score a TD, get the 2-point conversion and then beat me in OT.
It's a fun discussion, kind of like the defend-the-3-or-foul debate in basketball.
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And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.
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And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.
If the price was truly a second rounder for Fuller, I can see why they didn’t bite.
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And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.
I won’t know how to react until Aaron Nagler and Jason Wilde defend the front office
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The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.
It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.
Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.
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The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.
It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.
Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.
Hey man, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahck you
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Very strategic move by the Pack. Covid outbreak. Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.
49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive. At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.
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49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive. At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.
Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.
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Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.
Because Fox wants a Thursday game.
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Because Fox wants a Thursday game.
I could start at QB tomorrow night for the Pack, and that game would be played. Fox and the NFL are not moving this game.
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Ironically, the audience could get significantly cut if there is a Presidential announcement this evening.
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With the covid warning signs coming out of SF and the stakes for the NFL/FOX to play tonight's game, it feels like Green Bay has a much higher percentage likelihood of playing the game tonight than the Jacksonville game on the 15th - which is kind of messed up.
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The Bears have zero healthy backup QB's on their roster, and are basically down to two healthy offensive linemen.
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Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.
Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.
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Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.
Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.
I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.
And on offense. Davate and ????
This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.
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I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.
And on offense. Davate and ????
This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.
Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.
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Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.
I meant as receivers but yeah you are correct.
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After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3
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Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.
Ervin when spelling Jones.
Rest of this offense blows.
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Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.
Ervin when spelling Jones.
Rest of this offense blows.
Yeah. Tonyan would be a nice 5th pass catching option. But being the third best (and your second being a RB) is not great.
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I like Lazard when he's healthy
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I like Lazard when he's healthy
I like what I saw early this year. But it’s a tiny, tiny sample size.
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Well, Scantling caught that one.
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Well, Scantling caught that one.
Redemption
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Mullens is horrendous
Find it hard to believe Beathard is worse
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After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3
They should be up 41-3 against this team.
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They should be up 41-3 against this team.
They are playing fine tonight.
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Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
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Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
This
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I’ve noticed this year that the refs almost always mark the ball exactly on the hash marks when a team gets a 1st down. It’s a good move since it eliminates virtually all measurements.
But did it just start this year or did they do it last year too?
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Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
Other than Jaire, have they drafted anyone worth their draft position in the first 3 rounds under Gutey?
I forgot about Jenkins.
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Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.
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Chiefs only 10.5 point home favorite over Panthers.
I’m not a betting man, but the Chiefs sure are tempting.
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After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance. All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.
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After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance. All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.
Crosby is also dealing with an injury. I think he has more distance in him than he showed there.
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Geez, I wish the Bears had the kind of offensive problems you guys are complaining about. I’d happily trade spots.
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328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.
I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.
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328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.
I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.
Half of those came on the last two drives when nobody was playing on either side of the ball.
The Packers played fine tonight. They did what they should have. Blown a depleted team out. Nothing more and nothing less.
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328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.
I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.
Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.
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Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.
You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?
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You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?
Brett Favre threw a lot of 1-yard TD passes early in his career
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Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.
Someone had Aaron Jones in his fantasy lineup ...
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I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.
I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
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Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.
They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.
Pettine will be gone after this year.
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They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.
Pettine will be gone after this year.
Why would they not have reached 100 yards against the Bears offense?
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They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.
Pettine will be gone after this year.
Bears are more of a bend don't break defense who gives up a decent amount of yards while limiting points.
So...
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I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.
I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
Yep. Just the nature of fans, though. Many are happy only when everything goes perfectly. When things are going very well but with a few warts, people come out of the woodwork to nitpick the details.
But it’s good that fans are talking about the game at all...because if they weren’t, it would mean the team was at the bottom of the league. Fans of those teams don’t complain about specific games or plays; they complain more broadly about the woes of the franchise, and who they should pick in next year’s draft.
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I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.
I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
Most sports fans are idiots
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Most sports fans are idiots
I think this board is hard evidence of that.
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Most sports fans are idiots
So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't? ;)
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I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.
I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.
Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.
There is one more big consideration. With Rodgers, GB leads the NFL in time of possession. That means other teams are getting fewer possessions per game yet still putting up big yardage numbers.
A lot of people here don’t get Packer games since they don’t live in Wisco. But, believe me, many game announcers have talked about GB’s soft defense. It is talked about often on national talk shows. Lack of toughness and bad tackling aren’t hard to spot.
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Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.
Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.
Mainly because there was absolutely nothing to complain about last night, offensively or defensively. They gave up 3 meaningful points and 150 meaningful yards. The defense can't stop the run, can't create turnovers, and can't get to the quarterback. But last night they did all 3 until the last 2 drives in a 31-3 football game. There was nothing to complain about.
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So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't? ;)
I’ve come to grips with my sports idiocy and yet I still watch. Sadly.
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Harbaugh to the bears?
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Harbaugh to the bears?
Buzz to Michigan football?
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If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.
Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.
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Good thing Philip Rivers isn't called upon to make many tackles....
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1325507558207991808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325507558207991808%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Fcolts-philip-rivers-makes-hilarious-attempt-at-a-tackle-after-ravens-recover-fumble%2F
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Bears offense sure is something.
It's amazing that their defense still tries.
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Bears offense sure is something.
It's amazing that their defense still tries.
The back to back false start penalties on fourth and one made me LOL.
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The Bears are who we thought they are
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Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).
The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).
But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.
As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.
Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.
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Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).
The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).
But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.
As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.
Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.
Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team
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The Chargers are Charlie Brown and the rest of the NFL is Lucy.
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Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team
He looked good ... though he was flexing his shoulder or neck late in the game and seemed in pain. Hopefully it's not bad.
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Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
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This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.
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This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.
I was pretty excited for this game tonight. Shows what I know.
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This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.
And here I thought this game was going to be a good one and the one tomorrow night a stinker. What do I know though ;D
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Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
Get Michael Thomas back and that Saints offense goes from "deliberate" to "high speed" ai'nna?
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Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
Are the Bucs better without Antonio Brown?
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Matt Patricia watch. Harbaugh to the Lions!
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Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
Say it with me folks:
TOM BRADY IS A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK!!!
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If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.
One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.
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If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.
One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.
What's the record since he's been at new England without. Brady? Or is that what you're referring to?
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If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.
One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.
But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.
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Well, the Pats made the Jets work for that one, but a couple clutch plays (12 men on the field for FGA, a dreadful pick, a sack and an incomplete pass to save NE time, running exactly pne offensive play the first 13 minutes of the 4th qtr) but the Jets kept their perfect season alive.
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But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.
I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.
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I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.
You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.
If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.
The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.
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I think Belichick could have been successful without Brady. But to “replicate“ the level of success he had? Six Super Bowl wins? Maybe...as long as he had a guy like Manning or Brees or Rodgers.
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You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.
If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.
The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.
Belichick could not have replicated his success without an all-time great QB. No coach is good enough to win consistently without great players.
How many titles would Phil Jackson have without MJ and Kobe? Kerr without Curry and Durant?
Great players allow a team to win consistently.
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I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.
That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?
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BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.
There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age. And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche
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I believe NE had a lot of defensive guys opt out this year as well.
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found a way to stop the Steelers
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30291133/ben-roethlisberger-4-added-pittsburgh-steelers-covid-19-list
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BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.
There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age. And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche
I agree that Belichick is among the best coaches ever. However, it is plain as day that he would not be in that group without Brady.
My point still stands, though. Great players are everything.
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That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?
None. that was my point.
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If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.
Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.
I only saw him throw 2 passes and that was exactly my thought. Pro arm, pro body, pro accuracy.
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Matt Patricia watch. Harbaugh to the Lions!
How long have you been a fan of this franchise? You shouldn't put that in teal, I believe it will actually happen.
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I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance.
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NFL owners have agreed to expand the playoffs to 16 teams - four division winners and four wild cards - if the regular season can't be completed.
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I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance.
I would say I’d be shocked if he got another look, but he’s only 44 and given the way this league goes, he probably does. Though I think he’s hoping he gets the nod when BB decides to retire.
But otherwise, it’s really the perfect storm of “stay away” for him. Bad track record in Denver both on field and in the locker room/FO plus the BS in Indy. Generally thought of to be a jackass. Offense has looked terrible not just this year, but the last year or two, too gimmicky and cutesy. Then top it off with most BB disciples flaming out quickly in head gigs. So I’m sure the Bears will hire him when Nagy gets tossed ::)
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Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team
Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.
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I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a faster fall off from an elite kicker than Gostkoswki. I don’t know if it’s lingering issues from his hip injury or what, but if he was a young or non-“name” kicker, He would have been cut 3 times already. He’s horrific. Career 86%+ on FGs and he’s kicking a cool 12 for 20 this year, and most of the misses have been BAD.
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Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.
Had to trade a 1st round pick for James conner =(
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RIP Paul Hornung.
A decent Domer.
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RIP Paul Hornung.
A decent Domer.
This guy?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)
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Got his tit in a wringer like Ted Perry, aina?
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This guy?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)
I said decent. Didn’t say great. 😉😉😉
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RIP Golden Boy
He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever. Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.
Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life.
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RIP Golden Boy
He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever. Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.
Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life.
His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired. Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy. I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.
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His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired. Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy. I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.
I remember the uproar over letting Ferragamo wear it. At least he was worth it, lol
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Still 2nd all-time on the single-season scoring record.
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Packers flat. Offensive game plan is awful.
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Pack better hope the Bears get the 6 seed by some miracle. Don’t see this team beating any NFC West/South teams in the Playoffs. They are just not good.
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Soft.
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If I cared enough, I would rhapsodize poetic about the facemask flag against Washington on Stafford being picked up. How if it had been Detroit against Rogers, it would have been an ejection, not picked up. But, alas, I just can't generate an adequate level of caring.
Topped by a horrendous PI call on 4th down to extend the game for Washington.
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I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.
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I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.
You jinxed him into a sack.
Seriously, unless he turns it around down the stretch, I think he’ll be cut at the end of the season.
Lower production + lower cap = a good way to save $8 mil.
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Packers are frauds
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Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.
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Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.
Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.
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Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.
Have to believe that closes the door on bringing Jones back
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Packers are frauds
It sure seems that way. A 7-2 record looks great, but they have beaten only one team (N’awlins) with a record above .500. They might still end up with 12 or 13 wins, but it will be almost exclusively from beating up on non-playoff teams.
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Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.
Or maybe Jordan Love’s backup.
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Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it
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Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it
Lol. From what I see, Vegas has the Packers at +425 to get there. I’d happily give you those odds.
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There is no great team in the NFC.
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There is no great team in the NFC.
Yeah I agree with this. I could make a case for a few teams right now. All have exploitable weaknesses.
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The Packers aren't great but the offense can win a shootout against anyone if there aren't 25 MPH winds.
I think the Rams are probably the most complete team.
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Mr. Unliiiiiiimited (Turnovers)
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Kyler Murray and Deandre Hopkins, a wing and a prayer
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There is no great team in the NFC.
True.
The Packers certainly have flaws, but so do New Orleans, Tampa, Seattle, Arizona and the Rams...and one of 'em is likely heading to the Super Bowl.
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Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB. Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense. What's the issue?
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I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB. Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense. What's the issue?
Because the replacement QB they drafted wasn't being talked about as the #1 overall draft pick that just happened to fall to them in the mid 20s. He was a guy who led all of college football in interceptions while playing mid-major competition and they moved up to draft him, while being a team that played in an NFC Title game and had some obvious holes to fill while their top 5 QB in the history of the sport is approaching his 40s, in a draft that was deep on a position of need for them. Instead of getting some help (whether it be stopping the run or giving Rodgers some weapons), the Packers will see 0 players from the first 4 rounds contribute to any kind of real success for the team this year.
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I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB. Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense. What's the issue?
I agree with you in concept. In 2005 when Rodgers was drafted, Brett Favre was younger than Rodgers is now. Two years later, they were 13-3 and in the NFC Championship Game. "Wasting" a first round pick on Rodgers didn't seem harm them in the short-term.
The real question is if Jordan Love is actually THE guy to succeed Rodgers. And no one really knows the answer to that yet.
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I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB. Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense. What's the issue?
I don't take issue with #2 and #3. The tight end was actually the rookie who was most impressive in camp.
But for a top team with a couple major needs, you can't punt on a #1 pick. It seemed more like a Trubisky-type flyer than a legit pick.
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I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB. Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense. What's the issue?
Usually, I’d say fans are idiots but in this instance, this team is ready to win a Super Bowl now. The QB is ready to win now. Win when you can and worry about 2022 in 2022, especially with one of the great QBs of all time
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At least, Tower has the Lions.
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Mitchell is back
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It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).
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It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1328550797529985030?s=19
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I look forward to the 2022 draft when the Bears come off a 4-12 year, and meatball fans don’t want Sam Howell because he went to Carolina like Mitch did
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Well, at the very least I can enjoy the Vikings playing some meaningful games coming up.
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The was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen. Two first downs in the second half. One in garbage time.
The play calling apparently was not the problem.
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IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them. And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.
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IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them. And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.
Eh. Cook is incredible. But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.
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But their defense is rounding into shape. It was bad early.
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Eh. Cook is incredible. But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.
Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.
That said, this team is still 4-5
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Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.
That said, this team is still 4-5
Not to mention a very reliable TE
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Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.
Awful.
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Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.
For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.
This one is for none of the marbles!
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Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.
Awful.
Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.
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Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.
And 79 tight ends.
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Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.
For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.
This one is for none of the marbles!
Detroit made Alex Smith a hero. Look for your offense to be just fine.
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Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.
Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice
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Detroit made Alex Smith a hero. Look for your offense to be just fine.
The Panthers' offense is decent. They just tend to take off a quarter or more ... and because the defense really blows, they can't afford that.
If Stafford and Bridgewater are healthy, we could have a high-scoring game.
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Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice
Great timing as the reports are the Bears are bringing in Deshone Kizer for workouts. What a joke
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918602-jaguars-fans-push-for-yannick-ngakoue-to-make-pro-bowl-to-improve-trade-return
This is hilarious.
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Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.
Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.
Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.
Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.
Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.
When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."
Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.
RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.
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No McCaffrey ... AND no Bridgewater.
While McCaffrey's replacement is quite good (Mike Davis), the backup QB -- P.J. Walker -- will be making his first NFL start.
Two starting offensive linemen (including the LT) and their best CB out, too.
Folks shoulda gotten their bets down on the Lions while they had a chance.
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The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.
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The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.
A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.
Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.
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A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.
Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.
The Bears wanna question this.
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Ugh. Joe Burrow out with a knee injury.
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Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.
Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.
Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.
Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.
Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.
When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."
Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.
RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.
Great story. Scott was a great player. RIP.
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The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.
Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.
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I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter. Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.
I recognized this loss template. It bores me.
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I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter. Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.
I recognized this loss template. It bores me.
Good move. If one wasn't a Panthers fan, one would have gotten zip from this game (just as the Lions did).
Does this activity mean you are feeling better?
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I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter. Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.
I recognized this loss template. It bores me.
Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
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I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter. Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.
I recognized this loss template. It bores me.
Glad to hear you are feeling well enough to go out for a walk, and that Covid did not impair your ability to recognize the familiar pattern in the game… ;)
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Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.
I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
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Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Did this need politics for some reason?
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I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season. Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.
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Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Speaking of loser templates I recognize.
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Absolute trash second half for the packers
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Soft, weak defense. Petrine is always a step behind.
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Did this need politics for some reason?
U new round here?
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Rodgers absolutely terrible in the second half. throwing at receivers feet on the first two their downs and then throwing short of the chains when Tonyan had plenty of room for a first.
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Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?
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Eye cee Pa plays write guard four da Colts, hey?
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In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.
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Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?
Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?
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Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept
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Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept
The defense is just terrible and it all falls on Zimmer.
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Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.
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The Packers refusal to use Jones like a true star back is gonna bury them.
Guy should be getting 20 touches a game minimum.
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Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?
He rarely played prior to covid. Draftin' has been a disaster, aina?
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Dey don't wanna pay 'im, hey?
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In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.
From about the 2:10 mark of the 4Q, that was TERRIBLE football. First GB commits 2 penalties, then the Colts get flagged on 5 straight, and some to like 8 of 10. If they had lost, it would have been all about that stretch. Like you, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it.
But ultimately, the Packers were in more of a giving mood, and they literally handed the game to Indy. Wow.
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Bold prediction: This is 12’s last year in Green Bay
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Bold prediction: This is 12’s last year in Green Bay
Nah too big a cap hit. Earliest will be after 2021.
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How 'bout Pettine, hey?
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How 'bout dat Jonathan Taylor, hey?
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How 'bout Pettine, hey?
Gotta go.
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Gotta go.
Shepherd should be first to go. Just an inexcusable fumble. And he’s shown nothing as a receiver or returner.
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Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.
Totally agree.
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The defense has issues no doubt and Pettine has not done a good job. But two inexcusable fumbles by two idiot, unreliable receivers just not being mindful at all of securing the ball in mid fourth quarter and OT is why this was a loss. Can’t have guys like that.
Shepherd should be released tomorrow. MVS only gets another chance because of occasional big play ability. But you cannot trust him at all either.
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Fun game between the Chiefs and Raiders. Dang, Mahomes is fun to watch ... and pretty much impossible to defend. Love watching him play QB.
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Bold prediction: This is 12’s last year in Green Bay
Not a chance. They’d be fighting to stay out of last place without ARod.
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/
Fans are the worst aspect of sports
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/
Hutchwasclutch?
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Fans are the worst aspect of sports
Yup, embarassing.
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Hutchwasclutch?
:)
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I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season. Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.
unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him. I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.
The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
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unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him. I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.
The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.
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After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.
Indiana has an excellent defense. They have at least two takeaways in every game.
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I think Fields' biggest problem is that he held onto the ball too long, which works when you are the Ohio State QB throwing to future NFL receivers, and if no one gets open, you can just run away. But that doesn't work in the NFL.
That being said, I have felt similarly about other QBs in the past, and it has worked out for them as they have adjusted. So I think Fields can adjust as well.
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After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.
Fields is definitely talented and has the potential to be a really quality NFL QB
But the people(thankfully not too many) that have suggested at points this fall that he may be a better prospect than Lawrence are absolutely insane. It really isn't close, at all.
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I think Fields' biggest problem is that he held onto the ball too long, which works when you are the Ohio State QB throwing to future NFL receivers, and if no one gets open, you can just run away. But that doesn't work in the NFL.
That being said, I have felt similarly about other QBs in the past, and it has worked out for them as they have adjusted. So I think Fields can adjust as well.
Fields seemed like he didn’t take IU seriously. A lot of careless decisions and throws and holding onto the the ball too long thinking he was invincible. He’ll get over that, but it was pretty inexcusable.
Fun game between the Chiefs and Raiders. Dang, Mahomes is fun to watch ... and pretty much impossible to defend. Love watching him play QB.
The contrast between their final drive and the Packers’ Tying FG final drive was pretty remarkable. It’s gotta be coaching cause it’s not like Rodgers is flighty. Chiefs moved in between snaps with such purpose and poise. Mahomes always the last one getting set and making sure all was in order. Packers on all of the spikes, including the unnecessary one, seemed to be in shambolic hurry mode.
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WATCH: Ravens Coach John Harbaugh Snubs Mike Vrabel Postgame Handshake
Dude learned from da best, aina?
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Last night, Brady had a ton of time and a time-out to use. I thought a tying FG was a done deal, and there was a good chance of a TD to win it. But he threw an interception on what was as poor a decision/pass as anything Cutler or Winston or Trubisky or Ryan Freakin' Leaf ever threw.
It's still legit to argue that Brady is the best QB ever, but he's no longer great, and on many days not even good. Even for him, Father Time's clock is ticking.
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Last night, Brady had a ton of time and a time-out to use. I thought a tying FG was a done deal, and there was a good chance of a TD to win it. But he threw an interception on what was as poor a decision/pass as anything Cutler or Winston or Trubisky or Ryan Freakin' Leaf ever threw.
It's still legit to argue that Brady is the best QB ever, but he's no longer great, and on many days not even good. Even for him, Father Time's clock is ticking.
Watching numerous Bucs games this year, beyond the failing arm strength, it’s been really interesting to watch Brady be completely lost. Terrible reads, bad decisions, no pocket presence, holding onto the ball too long.
I don’t know how much is Father Time like you said, how much is unfamiliarity with a system when he played in the same one for nearly 2 decades, and how much is that system really taking him from very good to great.
Regardless of how the Pats have played this year, not paying Brady was clearly the absolute right call
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Watching numerous Bucs games this year, beyond the failing arm strength, it’s been really interesting to watch Brady be completely lost. Terrible reads, bad decisions, no pocket presence, holding onto the ball too long.
I don’t know how much is Father Time like you said, how much is unfamiliarity with a system when he played in the same one for nearly 2 decades, and how much is that system really taking him from very good to great.
Regardless of how the Pats have played this year, not paying Brady was clearly the absolute right call
Good points, Wags. Brady isn't Willie-with-the-Mets bad, but he obviously is not the Tom Brady we saw for most of his 849 years in New England. The signs of him struggling (relatively speaking) were there last season.
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I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?
Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.
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I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?
Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.
Former Bear Markus Paul.
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I'm losing a lot of respect for Brady as a person for the repeated handshake snubs when he loses. Dude is 40+ years old, has more SB rings than he can count, yet he pouts his way off the field without shaking hands with guys like Foles and Goff when he loses. Dude needs to grow up....
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Cmon...
NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes. Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.
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I'm losing a lot of respect for Brady as a person for the repeated handshake snubs when he loses. Dude is 40+ years old, has more SB rings than he can count, yet he pouts his way off the field without shaking hands with guys like Foles and Goff when he loses. Dude needs to grow up....
C'mon man, there is a pandemic.
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Cmon...
NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes. Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.
Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant
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Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant
Yep. And he was quite happy to shake Rodgers' hand after they beat the Packers.
It'd be one thing if he always just walked off the field without handshakes, but he typically just does it when they lose.
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Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant
Yep. And he was quite happy to shake Rodgers' hand after they beat the Packers.
It'd be one thing if he always just walked off the field without handshakes, but he typically just does it when they lose.
Yeah none of this bothers me.
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I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?
Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.
Or not??? https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/ (https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/)
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Or not??? https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/ (https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/)
Yes, glad the reporting appears to have been wrong. Reading he is on life support, hoping he pulls through.
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Yeah none of this bothers me.
Press conferences, after game handshakes, none of that matters.
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Cmon...
NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes. Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.
As iz da playin' of da National Anthem prior ta sportin' events, aina?
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Yes, glad the reporting appears to have been wrong. Reading he is on life support, hoping he pulls through.
Agreed. Weird story with diehl posting RIP prematurely apparently. Hopefully he pulls through.
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As iz da playin' of da National Anthem prior ta sportin' events, aina?
Correct.
It makes no more sense to play that before a sporting event than it does to play it before an opera, the ballet, a Broadway play, concerts, movies, or any other public gathering.
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Correct.
It makes no more sense to play that before a sporting event than it does to play it before an opera, the ballet, a Broadway play, concerts, movies, or any other public gathering.
It's kinda silly but until people started obsessing over it, it was just harmless pageantry.
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Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.
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Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.
Dang. It had been the only T-Day game worth watching.
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Dang. It had been the only T-Day game worth watching.
Crap. I thought there would be a back-up college game, but no...
Damn now what am I going to watch during my "I really shouldn't have ate or drank that much" phase. (Which usually occurs just before my "Yeah I'll have another piece of pie and a couple fingers of bourbon" phase.)
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Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.
So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?
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So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?
Maybe the fact that there are two other games this Thursday. Packers and Niners postponement would have meant no Thursday football.
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So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?
My understanding is that it’s because Ravens players still tested positive today.
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Yeah none of this bothers me.
I’m not ‘bothered’ by it either, but it does show that Brady is a petulant loser.
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I’m not ‘bothered’ by it either, but it does show that Brady is a petulant loser.
You seem bothered.
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You seem bothered.
Clear evidence that things are not always as they seem.
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Must’ve learned it from Vander.
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Patricia watch.
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Is it just me, or are the Lions not very good?
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Is it just me, or are the Lions not very good?
No TD’s given up with only 10 men on the field today. Progress....
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Packers are 8.5-point favorites over the Bears.
That's a darn big number against a team with as good a defense as the Bears have ... but there aren't many offenses as putrid as Chicago's.
This is why I don't bet!
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The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.
First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.
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The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.
First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.
And then they have to move the Ravens-Cowboys game now which was supposed to be on Thu. Dec. 3rd.
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The NFL has ordered teams to close their facilities on Monday and Tuesday with teams playing those days being exempt:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30403539/nfl-closing-team-facilities-monday-tuesday-amid-coronavirus-spike-holiday-guests
From the article:
"The NFL cited the spike in coronavirus cases around the country as well as the "understanding that a number of players and staff celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday with out-of-town guests" as reasons for closing facilities."
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The NFL has ordered teams to close their facilities on Monday and Tuesday with teams playing those days being exempt:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30403539/nfl-closing-team-facilities-monday-tuesday-amid-coronavirus-spike-holiday-guests
From the article:
"The NFL cited the spike in coronavirus cases around the country as well as the "understanding that a number of players and staff celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday with out-of-town guests" as reasons for closing facilities."
How were players supposed to know that could be a problem? ::)
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And Patricia still has a job.
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How were players supposed to know that could be a problem? ::)
Yeah - what could possibly go wrong?!?
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The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.
First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Matt Patricia future endeavored.
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Along with Quinn, the GM. Two more failures from the New England coaching tree.
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I believe Matt Campbell will get the Lions job.
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I believe Matt Campbell will get the Lions job.
What a risky hire that would be. I know he’s the hot name right now but I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s going to be an NFL success.
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What a risky hire that would be. I know he’s the hot name right now but I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s going to be an NFL success.
If he isn’t going to be an NFL success, it’s almost certain the Lions will hire him.
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This week is getting pretty nuts. Broncos sent home their entire QB room due to close contact to Jeff Driskel’s positive test. A few Steelers have tested positive. SF isn’t allowed to practice/play in Santa Clara.
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This week is getting pretty nuts. Broncos sent home their entire QB room due to close contact to Jeff Driskel’s positive test. A few Steelers have tested positive. SF isn’t allowed to practice/play in Santa Clara.
It really is starting to snowball. If it gets worse I would consider a two week shutdown and required quarantine because pretty soon they are going to run out of options.
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It really is starting to snowball. If it gets worse I would consider a two week shutdown and required quarantine because pretty soon they are going to run out of options.
Yeah it seemed like the shutting down Monday and Tuesday was trying to help with this snowball effect. But I don't think that will help much at this point.
I want to know who is going to play QB for the Broncos.
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Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.
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Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.
We already do
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Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.
Sid Luckman says hi.
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Saints now -15 tomorrow. I’ll guess that line gets pummeled, especially in teasers. I’d be surprised if it’s not -17 by kick.
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Covid-19 wreaks havoc on the NFL with the Broncos having no quarterbacks, the 49ers having nowhere to practice or play home games for a few weeks and the Ravens-Steelers game rescheduled for Tuesday in doubt now with 6 more Ravens players added to the Covid list today:
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/nfl-covid-spike-49ers-broncos-ravens-steelers-1.5820887
According to one source from the article, the 4 Broncos quarterbacks weren't wearing their masks the whole time they were together in practice which is the requirement of the league's pandemic protocols.
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The NFL required the Broncos either to play or forfeit. This puts way too much pressure on a team to play undermanned or possibly even with infected players. Crazy... and dangerous.
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The NFL required the Broncos either to play or forfeit. This puts way too much pressure on a team to play undermanned or possibly even with infected players. Crazy... and dangerous.
Yeah they're making an example of them for not wearing the masks like they were supposed to but at what cost. It is dangerous as you say and it also gives New Orleans a great advantage as they try to lock up the top seed in the NFC (of course they still could have beaten a Broncos team with a quarterback but it got a whole lot easier now).
USA Today columnist about this and the NFL refusing to acknowledge reality of Covid:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/11/28/nfl-needs-hit-pause-now-if-wants-finish-season/6454197002/
Oh but that's right they told the teams to shut down their facilities on Monday and Tuesday (with the exception of teams playing on those days) - yeah - don't think that's going to help at all...
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USA Today columnist about this and the NFL refusing to acknowledge reality of Covid:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/11/28/nfl-needs-hit-pause-now-if-wants-finish-season/6454197002/
Oh but that's right they told the teams to shut down their facilities on Monday and Tuesday (with the exception of teams playing on those days) - yeah - don't think that's going to help at all...
"If the Saints do end up as the No. 1 seed – the only one that gets a first-round a bye this year, remember – it’ll be with an asterisk. Should they make it all the way to Tampa Bay, site of this year’s Super Bowl, there will be plenty who will look at them sidewise and say, “Yes, but …” while pointing to Sunday’s game."
This is a league that had a nine game season in 1992 due to a player's strike, and a 15 game season in 1987 with three games played with replacements because of another. If the Saints go on to win the Super Bowl, no one will view them with an asterisk because of this game.
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"If the Saints do end up as the No. 1 seed – the only one that gets a first-round a bye this year, remember – it’ll be with an asterisk. Should they make it all the way to Tampa Bay, site of this year’s Super Bowl, there will be plenty who will look at them sidewise and say, “Yes, but …” while pointing to Sunday’s game."
This is a league that had a nine game season in 1992 due to a player's strike, and a 15 game season in 1987 with three games played with replacements because of another. If the Saints go on to win the Super Bowl, no one will view them with an asterisk because of this game.
For the record, strike was in 1982, not ‘92.
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For the record, strike was in 1982, not ‘92.
Oh thank you. That was a typo.
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Not for nothing, but Lions fans really hate Matt Patricia.
One of the league's best trends is now occurring in Detroit, where Lions fans are giving to the charity of Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson as a thank you for his role in Thursday's win. Watson was near-flawless on Thanksgiving with a multi-score victory over Detroit that clinched the firing of head coach Matt Patricia and GM Bob Quinn.
https://www.nfl.com/news/lions-fans-donate-to-deshaun-watson-s-charity-in-droves-after-texans-win
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The Broncos asked the NFL if they could use one of their offensive quality control coaches as quarterback today but the NFL said no. The Broncos will be using practice squad receiver Kendall Hinton at quarterback today:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/29/nfl-declined-broncos-request-to-let-assistant-coaches-suit-up-and-play-qb/
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Everyone knows you have to get pressure on Cousins. He will fold like an accordion.
Well, everyone except the Carolina coach. You never rush 3 guys.
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Anthony Lynn should have to walk home from Buffalo to LA, that was a coaching catastrophe today.
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Everyone knows you have to get pressure on Cousins. He will fold like an accordion.
Well, everyone except the Carolina coach. You never rush 3 guys.
The Vikings tried real hard to give the Panthers this game. The Panthers refused to take it.
I actually like this first-year coaching staff and think they've done a good job with a young, talent-shy team, but they really had a bad game today.
As you said, they had to put pressure on Cousins, and they were doing a decent job of it till that last drive.
And on offense, they kept throwing incomplete passes when all they had to do was eat the clock by running the ball; the Vikings' run defense sucks and the Panthers had a lot of success when they did run.
Plus, they burned all 3 time-outs for no reason earlier in the half so they had none left at the end. Just terrible play-calling and clock-management.
I knew they were gonna lose as soon as they threw that incomplete pass on third-and-goal from the 3 with just under 2 minutes to go. Run the ball! You very well might score. And even if you don't, you take 40 seconds off the clock. Terrible.
After that, Cousins did whatever he wanted. Carolina's defense, which had played well, was so passive that the Vikings almost scored too quickly and easily, but the Panthers' kicker effen sucks.
The Panthers aren't going anywhere this season, and in the big picture it's probably better to move up in the draft, but it's still disgusting as a fan that your team can't win a game when you score two defensive TDs and get handed a muffed punt with 2:10 to play. Ugh.
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I bet Josh McDaniels is coaching in Tampa next season.
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Jags fire Caldwell, just means they’ll wait to fire Marrone on Black Monday.
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The Vikings tried real hard to give the Panthers this game. The Panthers refused to take it.
I actually like this first-year coaching staff and think they've done a good job with a young, talent-shy team, but they really had a bad game today.
As you said, they had to put pressure on Cousins, and they were doing a decent job of it till that last drive.
Well, in the coaches’ defense, I’ve seen other teams do this far too often.
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An NFL game with 73 totals passing yards - by 2 teams combined.
Well, it is 1920, after all.
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I’m thinking the Rams are gonna be in purgatory for years. Bloated contract for a mid level QB and a defense that routinely just lacks any finishing ability despite elite talent. Nick Mullens is not a starting level QB and he’s just picked them apart today. Shanahan is a great offensive mind but this is pretty pathetic at home from LA. Every single yard the Niners needed in the 4th, they got. And now commit and offsides to make the kick even easier. They aren’t a danger to anyone in the NFC
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Brady shook hands with Mahomes!
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The Bears shouldn’t have more than 10 throws tonight. I know they can’t run the ball. But anyone can run the ball against the Pack.
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The Bears shouldn’t have more than 10 throws tonight. I know they can’t run the ball. But anyone can run the ball against the Pack.
Great defense on the Montgomery run. No linebacker in the middle.
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Lol. Literally the only way to get the Packers some stops is to throw the ball down field. So thank you, Bears, for not being able to see what a football illiterate like myself can see.
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Well, Savage WAS wide open.....
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Ass kickin', hey?
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Things seem to be going well.
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Wow. How bad would Mitch be with a bad week of practice.
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Wow. How bad would Mitch be with a bad week of practice.
Lol.
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This really is sad to watch.
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At what point does the NFL stop promoting this as a rivalry game?
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At least the bears still have their defense.
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Lots of business decisions being made on the field now.
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I really, really hope the Jordan Love pick does not end up as bad as the Mitchell Trubisky pick is. He is really, really bad.
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Lots of business decisions being made on the field now.
Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?
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2 observations.
1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.
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Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?
My personal preference is Mac Jones.
They aren’t bad enough to get Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, or Lance, but Jones will be there when they pick, and I really like Jones.
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2 observations.
1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.
Boyle > Love.
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Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?
Maybe Jordan Love will be available ... or maybe Kendall Hinton!
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Maybe Jordan Love will be available ... or maybe Kendall Hinton!
Hinton has taken more snaps this year...
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Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer
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Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer
Yup. Only 40 less total yards than GB. Almost all of it meaningless.
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Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer
Bears have never won a game off a bye week under Nagy. Bears have 7 offensive points (7!!!) in the third quarter through 11 games.
Coaches get bye weeks and halftimes to make adjustments. Just sayin’.
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Bears have never won a game off a bye week under Nagy. Bears have 7 offensive points (7!!!) in the third quarter through 11 games.
Coaches get bye weeks and halftimes to make adjustments. Just sayin’.
Say no more. I feel your pain.
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As bad as things have been for the Bears, switch them for any team in the NFC East and they would be the #4 seed in the NFC playoffs as of today. Yikes!
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Another thing...
Why the hell was Virginia at the game? 97 year old woman going up to a Covid hot bed? That’s just irresponsible and stupid.
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As bad as things have been for the Bears, switch them for any team in the NFC East and they would be the #4 seed in the NFC playoffs as of today. Yikes!
True, but every team in the NFC East has won Super Bowl(s) more recently than Chicago.
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Another thing...
Why the hell was Virginia at the game? 97 year old woman going up to a Covid hot bed? That’s just irresponsible and stupid.
Given that “irresponsible and stupid” describes how she and her offspring have ran the Bears for the last decade, seems pretty on brand
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My personal preference is Mac Jones.
They aren’t bad enough to get Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, or Lance, but Jones will be there when they pick, and I really like Jones.
Guys, long before the Bears get a game changing quarterback, they better get some offensive linemen who can pass block and open holes for the run. No self-respecting quarterback who values his life would want to play behind that line. Not a one!
Not as sold on Jones as you are, Brother Dish. He plays for Alabama, which probably could beat any team in the NFC North not clad in Green and Gold. I think his team makes him good.
If the Bears go for a quarterback, trade for a high enough draft pick to get someone who will make a difference.
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Mike LaFleur to the Bears?
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2 observations.
1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.
Because if Rodgers gets hurt during the game, Boyle is your main back up.
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Eye'd trade Love two da Bears four a kickin' tee wright now, hey?
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Why do people assume that he is bad? We have nothing to go on. No preseason. No snaps this season.
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Panthers coach:
“Instead of pointing fingers, I’d rather point the thumb back at me and just say, hey, that’s not good enough, that falls back on me. That’s not like coachspeak. I’m disappointed in myself and my staff tonight.”
I'm disappointed in them, too, but I'm glad he honestly took responsibility.
The players could have and should have executed better. But from clock management to time-out management to play-calling on both sides of the ball, the coaches gave away an almost certain victory. I'm still amazed the Panthers found a way to lose that game.
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Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to do once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?
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Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?
Right. He will have a lot to prove. Every quarterback does. But I have said this before, drafting Rodgers' potential successor this year was not necessarily a bad move. Rodgers is actually older than Favre was when he was drafted. The real question is if Love is actually that guy. And I don't know enough to know if that's the case or not - no one really does outside of the organization.
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Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?
Substitute 'Favre' for 'ARod' and 'ARod' for 'Love' and you coulda said the same thing when ARod was drafted. (And don't let the 2005 record fool you; the Packers were plagued with injuries at RB and WR).
Also FYI: Favre was 36 when the Pack drafted Rodgers. Rodgers was 36 when they drafted Love.
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Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?
ARod was not that great last year. Even the last few he wasn’t the Rodgers of old. This year, he’s back to getting the ball out quickly.
The worst time to draft a qb is when you need one. Now, moving up to grab Love, I don’t know. But I get the thought behind it.
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Substitute 'Favre' for 'ARod' and 'ARod' for 'Love' and you coulda said the same thing when ARod was drafted. (And don't let the 2005 record fool you; the Packers were plagued with injuries at RB and WR).
Also FYI: Favre was 36 when the Pack drafted Rodgers. Rodgers was 36 when they drafted Love.
Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far. And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.
Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick
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Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far. And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.
Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick
I'm not saying Love will become the next ARod or that there is a perfect parallel; I was just reacting to the statement I quoted.
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49ers to play December home games in Arizona, due to sports moratorium in Santa Clara County.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-will-play-december-home-games-in-cardinals-stadium-after-santa-clara-county-halts-all-sports/
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Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far. And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.
Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick
I get all of that. I am reacting more to the "why draft a QB who can't help you" crowd.
And I don't really care about accolades or hype. I care if they can get the job done, and only time will tell if that's the case.
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Steelers/Ravens moved to Wednesday.
Fantasy football is chaos.
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Steelers/Ravens moved to Wednesday.
Fantasy football is chaos.
Fantasy football takes on a whole new meaning this year....
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Will Fuller suspended 6 games.
Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.
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Will Fuller suspended 6 games.
Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.
First Thursday, then Sunday, then Tuesday, now Wednesday.
The NFL looks like a bunch of clowns. Just cancel it, for crying out loud.
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Will Fuller suspended 6 games.
Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.
I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime.
Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.
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I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime.
Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.
They also know that there is a chance the game could be “postponed“ even further.
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I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime.
Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.
Agreed, I had no idea there was a tree lighting show on Wednesday night on NBC. It’s the best marketing that show could have ever received.
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What an all time bad beat. Holy hell
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According to announcers...
Nagy last week: Mitch is different. The benching helped him.
<plays like crap>
Nagy this week: Mitch is different. He’s going to bounce back better than he has in year’s past.
Guys, maybe he just sucks and Nagy’s blowing smoke up your a$$.
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Patricia was hired because he was a defensive savant. Now, the defense that he and Quinn created can't tackle, can't stop the run, can't cover, can't pressure the quarterback. The outcome was inevitable.
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Patricia was hired because he was a defensive savant. Now, the defense that he and Quinn created can't tackle, can't stop the run, can't cover, can't pressure the quarterback. The outcome was inevitable.
The lions need to put paper bags over the heads of their cardboard cutouts in their stadium.
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The lions need to put paper bags over the heads of their cardboard cutouts in their stadium.
Woulda been taken care of if they had just used real fan pics from past seasons....
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Lol Trubi.
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I’ll speak for Dish here: Matt Nagy should be fired before he leaves the locker room.
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Lol ARob too.
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No words.
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Out Lioned the Lions.
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NFL giving RedZone a great 200th episode anniversary gift today. Lots of action in the witching hour today.
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And the Jets are gonna win....
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And the Jets are gonna win....
Or not...
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What in the world are the Vikings doing? Final timeout with 23 seconds left?
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I’ll speak for Dish here: Matt Nagy should be fired before he leaves the locker room.
I think you mean before he GETS to the locker room.
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Bears need to start over from scratch. Guy the whole thing
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So the Falcons throw a Hail Mary with 7 seconds left. Time runs out on the play. They can replay it to see if any time is left. The ball hits the ground with 1 second remaining on the clock, but the clock needs to show 2 seconds to add time back on. Why would that be the rule? That makes no sense at all.
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Actually, I’ll say this...
For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).
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Why aren’t teams running 50 times a game against GB?
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I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers’ second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.
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Saints 8-0 without Drew Brees since 2019. :-X
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I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.
You spelled Marcedes Lewis wrong.
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Actually, I’ll say this...
For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).
The worst thing is that the defense has packed it in. Awful against GB giving up 41 by the 3rd quarter and then close to 500 yards against a Lions team without their best receiver and RB.
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Bevell turned Stafford loose and called more deep routes than Patricia would ever permit. Stafford is still pretty good when he is (a) able to stay upright and (b) allowed to sling it around like on a playground.
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Saints 8-0 without Drew Brees since 2019. :-X
Their last 3 wins have been against a Falcons team which has competed packed it in and doesn’t really care. And a bad Broncos team with no QB. Hill has been pretty mediocre. Against a real team they would be struggling
Actually, I’ll say this...
For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).
Total agree. I could do nothing but laugh. It’s just so predictable. But needed cause there can’t be ANY silver lining that prevents the muppets at Halas Hall from keeping Pace and Nagy around.
Im always amazed at how many short sighted fans exist that parrot “how can you root against your team? How can you not want them to win every game?!” It’s not like I was cheering for the Lions, but you know wins don’t help your franchise right now. This isn’t a team or coaching staff that’s gonna contend for anything. So why cheer for meaningless win that keep you in purgatory?
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I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers’ second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.
I think I once said here that Jared Boykin had a brighter future. 😂😂😂
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Wow. I think that is 5 missed PATs in the division today.
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Rodgers set a record for the fewest games to reach 400 TDs, a record that will last as long as the amount of games it will take Patrick Mahomes to reach 400 TDs.
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Rodgers set a record for the fewest games to reach 400 TDs, a record that will last as long as the amount of games it will take Patrick Mahomes to reach 400 TDs.
True, unless a serious injury derails his career.
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Worst special teams in the league, year after year.
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Russ Wilson ain’t getting any MVP votes this year. What a brutal loss.
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Have I mentioned how brutal GB special teams are?
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Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.
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Well, Bevell has been a HC candidate for a while, so, depending on how the Lions finish, there is a good chance he stays in Detroit.
Probably Saleh, Daboll, or one of the Colts' coordinators.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064
I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.
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Looks like my Giants are on their way to winning their next Super Bowl.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064
I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.
Tyreke didn’t think it was a catch.
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Bears need to start over from scratch. Guy the whole thing
Mitch was having a good game and found a way to wreck it in one play.
A professional QB simply cannot cough-up the ball in that situation.
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Mitch was having a good game and found a way to wreck it in one play.
A professional QB simply cannot cough-up the ball in that situation.
Mitch ain't it but to put the loss on him is ludicrous. PLENTY of blame to go around.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064
I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.
You are correct. Apparently Hill thought it hit the ground. KC punted before anyone saw the replay. I don’t recall ever seeing that happen.
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Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.
The Panthers' OC, Joe Brady (who was the architect of the LSU passing game in 2019), is supposedly a hot commodity. I don't really see it. It's his first season as full OC anywhere, and the Panthers' offense has only been decent. Plus, he's like 14 years old. But there have been reports that he could be 1-and-done from Carolina.
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I think the MVP race is going to end up being a popularity contest this year. Mahoney and Rodgers are equally deserving.
My guess is that (if nothing changes) Rodgers will win it because voters will figure Mahomes is going to have many more chances to win another one.
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I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.
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Mahoney?
The guy who lived on my floor at McCormick? He played next to me on the offensive line for our dorm-championship touch football team, but I didn't know he was an MVP candidate!
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I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.
Was stunned the Broncos, down by 3 pts, didn't go for it on 4th-and-3 at midfield with about 6 minutes to go. They're 4-7, going nowhere, and they have a chance to upset probably the best team in the NFL.
What the eff does a punt get you -- other than a solid chance of never getting to touch the football again? Denver did get it back, but only had about a minute to get a TD, which they had no chance of doing.
Stoopid.
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Mahoney?
The guy who lived on my floor at McCormick? He played next to me on the offensive line for our dorm-championship touch football team, but I didn't know he was an MVP candidate!
Spell checker ::)
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Spell checker ::)
Yeah, I know ... but had to have a little fun.
And I really did play next to a guy named Mahoney on our dorm team our freshman year. Won the dorm title but suffered a devastating, last-second loss to the frat champs for the all-university championship.
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I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.
It sounds cliche, but it really feels like there are games that the Chiefs know they will win and they just mess around out of boredom. We’ve all seen the clinical precision of the Chiefs offense, but they did so much dumb, gimmick for gimmick’s sake stuff in the Red Zone, it seemed more like purposeful nonsense than some amazing Broncos effort.
That doesn’t explain the clock management, but it does explain the play calling. We’ve seen the Chiefs and Mahomes get countered and frustrated, that didn’t look like this. It reminded me off the game early in the season where Reid just ran 90% of the time to get CEH action cause he knew they would win and who cares, this was more important than balanced offense.
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Mitch ain't it but to put the loss on him is ludicrous. PLENTY of blame to go around.
The play call was dumb.
But Mitch deserves a ton of blame there.
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Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.
As far as "retreads," I think Jason Garrett and Leslie Frazier are going to get some looks. Maybe Dennis Allen too.
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Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.
I'd be surprised if Bienemy isn't already Detroit's guy, though perhaps he'll have better options.
I see MU82 mentioned Brady, but I think his age and lack of NFL experience will keep that happening for at least another year.
Giants DC Patrick Graham could be a hot name if his defense continues to play as it has.
Saints OC Pete Carmichael might get his arguably overdue chance.
Bills OC Brian Daboll should also get some looks. Has a recent track record developing QBs and might be a good fit for the Jets or any other team taking a QB in the first.
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I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?
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The play call was dumb.
But Mitch deserves a ton of blame there.
On that play, sure. I'm just saying there are a variety of other reasons the Bears lost that game. It wasn't just that play.
As it has been stated, in the long run it was probably best for the franchise. The problem is you can't really have confidence the Bears will make the right hires if Ted Phillips is still in charge. The Bears need a structure similar to the Cubs where they split business and player operations.
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Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.
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Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.
Gotta think his NFL career is finally, mercifully, over. Between Saints-gate, throwing Gase under the bus earlier this year, and now this little stunt, he's not remotely worth the trouble.
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I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?
It’s NFL or bust
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Gotta think his NFL career is finally, mercifully, over. Between Saints-gate, throwing Gase under the bus earlier this year, and now this little stunt, he's not remotely worth the trouble.
To be fair, I think going out on an all out blitz, zero coverage call on a hail mary is exactly how he would have wanted it to end.
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To be fair, I think going out on an all out blitz, zero coverage call on a hail mary is exactly how he would have wanted it to end.
He probably did the Jets a favor. Win 1 game and they likely lose the top pick to Jacksonville.
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I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?
Unless he really loves the college scene -- and it's hard to imagine why he would -- he certainly should go back to the NFL, where he had a high level of success, and where he won't have to lie to 18-year-old's mothers (thanks to K.O. for that latter reference).
He probably did the Jets a favor. Win 1 game and they likely lose the top pick to Jacksonville.
Yep yep.
The problem is you can't really have confidence the Bears will make the right hires if Ted Phillips is still in charge.
I was surprised to read a few days ago that he was still in charge. I haven't followed the Bears closely since I left Chicago in 2010, and I thought that by now he certainly must have been dumped.
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Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.
Williams dialed up an all-out blitz. He left rookie corners Lamar Jackson (undrafted) and Bryce Hall (fifth round) in man coverage while safety Marcus Maye picked up wideout Hunter Renfrow.
According to the NFL’s NextGen Stats, the Jets are the only team to send eight or more pass rushers on a play in the last 30 seconds of a game this season. According to ESPN Stats, the Jets are the only team to rush six-plus in that situation (252 other times) in the last 15 years.
Yeah, I think the firing was appropriate.
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Bears just plain suck.
Nagy was brought into to be an offensive genius. Some genius.
Is Mike Holmgren available????????
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So is "the Bears never fire a coach mid-season" considered a point of pride within the organization? Because I don't think it's the honor that they think it is.
In reality, Pace and Nagy should be out right now. Get a new GM on board ASAP so when the season ends, you can go through the hiring process for a new coach. Waiting for it to end doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
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So is "the Bears never fire a coach mid-season" considered a point of pride within the organization? Because I don't think it's the honor that they think it is.
In reality, Pace and Nagy should be out right now. Get a new GM on board ASAP so when the season ends, you can go through the hiring process for a new coach. Waiting for it to end doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.
Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.
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Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html
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It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.
Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.
Best thing the Packers did in 1991 was hire Ron Wolf shortly after Thanksgiving to give him the final month to evaluate the entire organization and how it operates.
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It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.
Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.
The problem is that the family dominates the BoD, I think Kenney and Ryan may be the only non-family on the board.
The team needs to do what GB did back in the early 90's. Clean House and bring in a football guy - ala Ron Wolf - to take over complete control of the football side. McCaskey needs to go back to the BoD only and Phillips, Pace, and Nagy need to be shown the door.
FWIW, Hub Arkush, who is pretty tuned in to the Bears although homer-ish at times, thinks there is at best a 50% chance that Pace and Nagy will be gone after the season. But then, he thought Jimmy Graham was a good signing for the Bears. :-\
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Best thing the Packers did in 1991 was hire Ron Wolf shortly after Thanksgiving to give him the final month to evaluate the entire organization and how it operates.
Beat me to the Wolf comparison by 7 seconds. :(
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The problem is that the family dominates the BoD, I think Kenney and Ryan may be the only non-family on the board.
The team needs to do what GB did back in the early 90's. Clean House and bring in a football guy - ala Ron Wolf - to take over complete control of the football side. McCaskey needs to go back to the BoD only and Phillips, Pace, and Nagy need to be shown the door.
FWIW, Hub Arkush, who is pretty tuned in to the Bears although homer-ish at times, thinks there is at best a 50% chance that Pace and Nagy will be gone after the season. But then, he thought Jimmy Graham was a good signing for the Bears. :-\
When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.
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Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html
That would be a gigantic mistake for both sides.
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Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html
Fitz gets pumped for NFL jobs every year and turns them down. Considering him being an alumnus of NW and his closeness to Randy Walker who tragically died and Fitz succeeded him, I doubt he'd leave. Plus, NW has actually made a substantial investment into football.
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When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.
No, he was not bashing the Bears today - at least not the management team. That might be even worse than if he would have gone after them.
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When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.
I listened to him postgame yesterday and today with Bernstein. I still feel like Hub’s a McCaskey apologist.
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I listened to him postgame yesterday and today with Bernstein. I still feel like Hub’s a McCaskey apologist.
I listened to Bernstein as well and got the same impression. That’s a change as until the last month or so, he had been pretty even-handed.
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Fitz gets pumped for NFL jobs every year and turns them down. Considering him being an alumnus of NW and his closeness to Randy Walker who tragically died and Fitz succeeded him, I doubt he'd leave. Plus, NW has actually made a substantial investment into football.
Except the guy who pays his salary at NU also is an owner of the Bears.
Also Kaplan reporting that Phillips will (may) retire at the end of the year.
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Good company.
With 10 catches for 121 yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, Davante Adams matched Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice as the only receivers in the Super Bowl era with 1,000 yards and 12 touchdowns in their first 10 games of the season.
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Good company.
With 10 catches for 121 yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, Davante Adams matched Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice as the only receivers in the Super Bowl era with 1,000 yards and 12 touchdowns in their first 10 games of the season.
And he missed two games. Don’t remember if he missed any of the Lions game, which is the game he got hurt in. 3 catches on 3 targets that game.
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Re: Bears
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1335770020840869896?s=19
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And he missed two games. Don’t remember if he missed any of the Lions game, which is the game he got hurt in. 3 catches on 3 targets that game.
They aren't counting the games he missed; it is just the 1st 10 games he played - which are actually 9 1/2 because he missed half the Lions game.
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The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears
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The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears
Washington has a very good defense. Steelers have given up trying to run, so Washington has been able to play pass
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They aren't counting the games he missed; it is just the 1st 10 games he played - which are actually 9 1/2 because he missed half the Lions game.
Ahh yeah.
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The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears
Roethlisberger makes some terrible decisions. That sidearm sling on 3rd down late to Smith-Schuster didn’t have a prayer, and then throwing to your third back on the depth chart on 4th and 1. To be fair, his receivers dropped way too many catches tonight as well.
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Roethlisberger makes some terrible decisions. That sidearm sling on 3rd down late to Smith-Schuster didn’t have a prayer, and then throwing to your third back on the depth chart on 4th and 1. To be fair, his receivers dropped way too many catches tonight as well.
I feel like a core tenant of both BR’s game, and the Steelers offense, is those quick soft/floated throws that rely on both surprise and guts from him to make. When he’s off, or the WRs are off, or the run game is non existent like tonight, it can look positively awful
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As a huge fan of the early 70s Dolphins, I always enjoy it when the last unbeaten team takes a loss.
Long live Larry Csonka, Manny Fernandez, Paul Warfield and the rest of the only unbeaten, untied, championship team in NFL history!
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Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html
Harbaugh!
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Harbaugh!
I kind of think the bloom is a little bit off that rose. But maybe he's better suited for the NFL than for college because I don't really think he like recruiting.
And part of my concern would be that he would want more control than his track record warrants.
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As a huge fan of the early 70s Dolphins, I always enjoy it when the last unbeaten team takes a loss.
Long live Larry Csonka, Manny Fernandez, Paul Warfield and the rest of the only unbeaten, untied, championship team in NFL history!
Funny thing is, if the Steelers were 'ranking' their remaining opponents before last night, the 'Football Team' would have been one of the least likely to upset them. Buffalo, Cleveland and Indy looked like far bigger risks.
Shows that when you have that target on your back, you need to show up every game....
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So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.
The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”
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Funny thing is, if the Steelers were 'ranking' their remaining opponents before last night, the 'Football Team' would have been one of the least likely to upset them. Buffalo, Cleveland and Indy looked like far bigger risks.
Shows that when you have that target on your back, you need to show up every game....
Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.
The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).
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Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.
The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).
Yeah prior to 1975 the NFL rotated the playoff hosts. That was the reason the Packers hosted the Ice Bowl in 1967. Also, the week prior they played the LA Rams in Milwaukee for the Western Conference championship, even though LA had by far the better record and beat the Packers head-to-head earlier in the season.
The year prior, the Packers had to travel to the Cotton Bowl for the NFL Championship even though Green Bay had the better record.
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So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.
The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”
I think a guy could test positive while coughing on his teammates at the 50 yard line, and the NFL wouldn’t cancel. Now that they can’t use bye weeks to adjust the schedule, I think they will be playing no matter what.
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So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.
The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”
15 minutes of sustained contact under 6 feet is harder to achieve then you think. Personally, I think that pretty lenient description of contact has helped the virus spread.
I understand that the likelihood you get the virus is significantly less beyond this criteria, but it is still certainly not zero.
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15 minutes of sustained contact under 6 feet is harder to achieve then you think. Personally, I think that pretty lenient description of contact has helped the virus spread.
I understand that the likelihood you get the virus is significantly less beyond this criteria, but it is still certainly not zero.
He received his 1st positive on a quick test right before the game. Was negative the day before and inconclusive the morning of. So he probably would not have been infectious when he had contact with the team before the game.
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A name that's apparently making rounds on the coaching carousel ... Marvin Lewis.
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Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.
That’s the other amazing thing. They put in a backup quarterback after the starter gets injured, and the backup goes on to win the MVP. Has that happened in any other time, in any sport?
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Kurt Warner?
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Umm...Tom Brady?
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Warner is a closer comparison. He replaced Trent Green, who was hurt in the preseason, and then won the MVP and Super Bowl.
After replacing an injured Bledsoe in 2001, Brady led the Pats to the Super Bowl. Statistically he was good but not great that season, and was largely a game manager.
A parallel with what happened with the 72 Dolphins would have been this:
Brady replaces an injured Bledsoe but then, despite Brady leading the Pats to an unbeaten record, winning the MVP and taking the Pats to the AFC title game, Belichick goes back to Bledsoe at halftime of the conference championship game.
Shula, who loved Morrall, agonized over the decision to go back to Griese. It was a good one.
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Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.
The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).
22yr old naginiF played in the Earl Morrall charity golf tournament. After a couple of pops at the bar and right before the banquet I go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal a gentleman asks me how the round was, was I enjoying myself, etc. I turn around and BAM Ed Morrall naked and dripping from the shower just standing there with his hands on his hips........back to the bar I went.
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22yr old naginiF played in the Earl Morrall charity golf tournament. After a couple of pops at the bar and right before the banquet I go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal a gentleman asks me how the round was, was I enjoying myself, etc. I turn around and BAM Ed Morrall naked and dripping from the shower just standing there with his hands on his hips........back to the bar I went.
That's hilarious.
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They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese --
I thought Earl Morral won his NFL MVP when he replaced an injured Johnny U for the Baltimore Colts in 1967.
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That’s the other amazing thing. They put in a backup quarterback after the starter gets injured, and the backup goes on to win the MVP. Has that happened in any other time, in any sport?
Doug Williams
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Doug Williams
He was the Super Bowl MVP. Not the NFL MVP.
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I thought Earl Morral won his NFL MVP when he replaced an injured Johnny U for the Baltimore Colts in 1967.
1968. Yes. He did not win the MVP replacing Griese in 1972.
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He was the Super Bowl MVP. Not the NFL MVP.
Ditto Nick Foles, I think.
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Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.
Kurt Warner?
Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.
Umm...Tom Brady?
Brady started all 16 games in 2007, the first year he won the MVP.
Edit: I stand corrected, in that Morrall didn't win MVP the year he came off the bench either. Oops.
It does then beg an interesting question: Has any player begun the season as a backup, and ended up winning the NFL MVP award?
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Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.
Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.
Right, but only because starter Trent Green got hurt in the third preseason game.
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Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.
Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.
Brady started all 16 games in 2007, the first year he won the MVP.
Edit: I stand corrected, in that Morrall didn't win MVP the year he came off the bench either. Oops.
It does then beg an interesting question: Has any player begun the season as a backup, and ended up winning the NFL MVP award?
Thanks for the correction.
And to make your question more interesting add on ... “and then get benched in the playoffs?”
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I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.
I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned
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I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.
I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned
A QB who can’t throw a 10-yard pass is not a QB.
I loved watching Cam for his first 7 years. And as a Charlotte resident, I loved the way he grew up from petulant brat to altruistic community leader.
But he can no longer do QB things. The NFL chewed him up and spit him out.
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I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.
I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned
A few years ago Damian Lillard went vegan to get leaner and found he lost too much weight and felt sluggish.
Though with Cam I think the beatings he was allowed to take, and COVID, have broken him.
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A few years ago Damian Lillard went vegan to get leaner and found he lost too much weight and felt sluggish.
Though with Cam I think the beatings he was allowed to take, and COVID, have broken him.
Arian Foster tried too and it didn’t last long. I’m sure there are many ways to be vegan and stay athletic and very active. But needing to maintain extreme muscle mass and prodigious strength to not only do your job, but to stay healthy...it’s just not enough
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Ugliest uniforms ever?
With respect to the Pittsburgh Bumblebees.
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Excellent article today in the Chicago Tribune (www.chicagotribune.com) as to the process by which Mitch Trubisky was selected over DeShawn Watson. Probably the best documentation of a sports management breakdown I ever read.
Proves once again why the Bears suck and why the Bears will suck as long as the McCaskeys are involved.
You had two all-world quarterbacks available and you ended up with Mitch Trubisky. Sorta like the Packers trading for Brett Favre and keeping him on the bench in favor of Don Majikowski.
DUMB!!!!!!
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Having SO much fun watching Panthers-Broncos game. Not only are the Panthers getting thumped by a bad Denver team, but they keep showing clips of the SB50 loss to Denver.
Ugh.
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Who was that guy wearing the Trubisky uniform?
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Mark Schlereth is very talkative.
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I think Stafford gets kept by the next regime. There just aren't better options out there and Detroit is not going to draft early enough to get a franchise QB. But if I am wrong, Stafford may have thrown his last pass as a Lion. That was a nasty hit on that scramble. Not dirty. But an illustration as to why QBs slide.
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Teddy Bridgewater is just good enough to keep bad teams in games but lose them ... and to "help" good teams go 9-7 or 10-6. He is a placeholder QB. He isn't bad, but the Panthers need better.
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Today was a perfect example of Sean Payton’s hubris. You may “trust” Hill more, or think his versatility is better for the offense, but by the second half, the Philly secondary was shattered and on life support. And he kept trotting out a QB who couldn’t attack it. The strip sack on 4th down was a perfect Taysom Hill moment. Dude has terrible pocket presence and misses receivers with absurd regularity. Even with the early deficit, the Saints comfortably come back and win that game with any decent QB
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Today was a perfect example of Sean Payton’s hubris. You may “trust” Hill more, or think his versatility is better for the offense, but by the second half, the Philly secondary was shattered and on life support. And he kept trotting out a QB who couldn’t attack it. The strip sack on 4th down was a perfect Taysom Hill moment. Dude has terrible pocket presence and misses receivers with absurd regularity. Even with the early deficit, the Saints comfortably come back and win that game with any decent QB
Is Winston that bad?
Anyway that was a nice surprise as a Packer fan. Now they have three outdoor games to end the season and hopefully clinch home field.
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Is Winston that bad?
Anyway that was a nice surprise as a Packer fan. Now they have three outdoor games to end the season and hopefully clinch home field.
One is against Tractorcito in the height of Tractorcito season, though.
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Mark Schlereth is very talkative.
I remember being annoyed by him on ESPN NFL shows. Never thought broadcasting was in his future. I still feel like that assessment was right.
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Brother Fluff is right. Nice day to be a Packers fan. They played well enough to win, but damn, the defensive penalties in the second half, especially defensive holding, was a bit much.
Aaron Rodgers is something else!
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Excellent article today in the Chicago Tribune (www.chicagotribune.com) as to the process by which Mitch Trubisky was selected over DeShawn Watson. Probably the best documentation of a sports management breakdown I ever read.
Proves once again why the Bears suck and why the Bears will suck as long as the McCaskeys are involved.
You had two all-world quarterbacks available and you ended up with Mitch Trubisky. Sorta like the Packers trading for Brett Favre and keeping him on the bench in favor of Don Majikowski.
DUMB!!!!!!
While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes. He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him.
Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him. Fact is no one knew he would be this good.
Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.
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NFL Ratings Drop Leaves Networks Scrambling to Make Advertisers Whole
TV networks are using ad inventory to make good on their earlier audience commitments
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-ratings-drop-leaves-networks-scrambling-to-make-advertisers-whole-11607781600
But this year, NFL ratings have taken a hit as pandemic-related postponements have pushed some games to less desirable times and the coronavirus has sidelined some star players. Unexpected competition from other sports leagues whose seasons were delayed from earlier in the year also has taken a toll on ratings.
Much of the ratings drop is attributed to the 2020 presidential election coverage siphoning away viewers and the pandemic’s wreaking havoc on the league. Aside from reschedulings and some sidelined stars, the league has faced a backlash from some fans over its social justice efforts, including its embrace of Black Lives Matter. These factors are compounded by the secular decline of traditional TV viewing, in which ratings have been eroded by the uptick in ad-free streaming services.
NBC was perhaps the hardest-hit this Thanksgiving, typically a big day for NFL viewership. The Ravens-Steelers game, which originally cost advertisers an average of $1 million for 30 seconds of commercial time, drew only 11 million viewers, almost a 50% decline from the audience for last year’s Thanksgiving game on NBC.
Some Thanksgiving advertisers that appeared in the NBC game on Wednesday didn’t pay at all, instead accepting the commercial time as a make-good for games earlier in the season that delivered disappointing ratings, according to people familiar with the matter.
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Inevitable.
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While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes. He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him.
Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him. Fact is no one knew he would be this good.
Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.
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Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.
Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.
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Who was that guy wearing the Trubisky uniform?
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! to a 7 yr, 200M contract
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While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes. He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him.
Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him. Fact is no one knew he would be this good.
Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.
:o :o :o They made a "conscious decision" to pass on Mahomes as well.
They made a "conscious decision" to draft a bad quarterback. It's happened before but let's not sugar coat it here.
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Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes. He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.
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Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes. He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.
Yep. It would be nice if he stays, but the shelf life of a RB is too short to get worked up about it.
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Yep. It would be nice if he stays, but the shelf life of a RB is too short to get worked up about it.
The Packers getting Kenny Clark and Bakhtiari under contract gives some flexibility. If the Packers are desperate, they can franchise him.
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The Packers getting Kenny Clark and Bakhtiari under contract gives some flexibility. If the Packers are desperate, they can franchise him.
I think Linsley's going to be a higher priority than Jones. Maybe even King too, although they are going to have to shell out for Jaire soon.
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If the Packers trot out AJ Dillon on 1st and 2nd down next year, and Tyler Ervin for 3rd down next year, we will be fine. Weber can backup either role.
I'd hate to lose Jones and Jamaal, but this is a business where you don't pay RBs... unfortunately for them.
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Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes. He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.
Pack dont use the poor guy. Hes gonna look elsewhere.
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Pack dont use the poor guy. Hes gonna look elsewhere.
??? He's their leading rusher and third leading receiver. Unless you have Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry, this is how you use a running back these days.
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??? He's their leading rusher and third leading receiver. Unless you have Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry, this is how you use a running back these days.
He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.
Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.
His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.
Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.
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He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.
Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.
His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.
Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.
Disagree with you on Jones. They keep him fresh for the entire season by not giving him 25-30 touches a game like Henry. Henry is 250 pounds, Jones is 205.
Same reason why Murray gets so many carries in NO. Come playoffs, Kamala isn’t beaten up.
If GB wants a guy who is perhaps the best passer in history to throw a lot, I am good with it.
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Disagree with you on Jones. They keep him fresh for the entire season by not giving him 25-30 touches a game like Henry. Henry is 250 pounds, Jones is 205.
Same reason why Murray gets so many carries in NO. Come playoffs, Kamala isn’t beaten up.
If GB wants a guy who is perhaps the best passer in history to throw a lot, I am good with it.
JOnes gets like 14.5 touches per game. Long way to go before we start talking 25-30.
Kamara has about 40 more catches than Jones, he gets his touches in different ways.
Jones is good enough to be a weapon in the red zone(and everywhere on the field). So this is strictly about him seeing himself as such and looking elsewhere. It's not about whether the Packers should limit Rodgers.
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AJ will go where the money takes him.
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JOnes gets like 14.5 touches per game. Long way to go before we start talking 25-30.
Kamara has about 40 more catches than Jones, he gets his touches in different ways.
Jones is good enough to be a weapon in the red zone(and everywhere on the field). So this is strictly about him seeing himself as such and looking elsewhere. It's not about whether the Packers should limit Rodgers.
Then maybe you shouldn’t label it as “stat padding.”
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Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.
Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.
Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed. That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year. E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this. What you wrote is not the way it went down.
And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes. Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL? And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.
Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good., Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him. No one did.
This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections. See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.
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Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed. That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year. E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this. What you wrote is not the way it went down.
And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes. Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL? And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.
Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good., Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him. No one did.
This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections. See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.
Alex Smith's serious leg injury was in Washington, not KC.
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Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed. That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year. E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this. What you wrote is not the way it went down.
And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes. Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL? And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.
Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good., Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him. No one did.
This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections. See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.
Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.
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Stick with your sell Apple exhortations.
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Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.
In fact, Smith made the Pro Bowl that year yet the Chiefs decided to trade him in the off-season anyway.
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Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed. That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year. E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this. What you wrote is not the way it went down.
And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes. Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL? And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.
Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good., Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him. No one did.
This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections. See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.
I stopped reading after your second sentence. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.
Did they know he was a transformational QB when they drafted him? Or is that your after the fact revisionist history?
And if "everyone knew?" Why only get not the bears case for passing on him? Why not get all 31 teams for not trying to get him?
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Did they know he was a transformational QB when they drafted him? Or is that your after the fact revisionist history?
And if "everyone knew?" Why only get not the bears case for passing on him? Why not get all 31 teams for not trying to get him?
So you’re going to ignore your obvious error and change the argument again?
The Chiefs thought he was great. He looked so good in practice as a rookie that they traded away their all pro quarterback.
And I never said “everybody knew.” The fact is the Bears chose a terrible quarterback when a very good one and possibly a generational one were on the board. Keep making excuses but the facts are right there.
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Heisey going back in this topic, no one said “everybody knew” Mahomes would be this good. That’s was another made up quote to shift goalposts, which is your usual go to when you’ve been dunked on.
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Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).
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Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).
This game is seriously insane. I’ve seen three TDs since switching.
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Wow...that safety was significant to many.
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Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).
That was awesome.
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Heisey going back in this topic, no one said “everybody knew” Mahomes would be this good. That’s was another made up quote to shift goalposts, which is your usual go to when you’ve been dunked on.
Umm ... he did
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570
Chief's management would like to have a word -
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Umm ... he did
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570
LOL, so Chief's management is "everyone?"
Keep digging Heisey.
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Then maybe you shouldn’t label it as “stat padding.”
When it takes 3 tries and you're already up 21 and you don't give it to the running back.....it kinda is.
The stats are the stats. He doesn't get the opportunities other top end backs get(Jones is really good back imo)and hes probably moving on. Unless the Pack flip the switch and offer him a crazy deal.
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LOL, so Chief's management is "everyone?"
Keep digging Heisey.
Now your goal post shifting.
(you mocked "everyone knew" and I gave you one)
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When it takes 3 tries and you're already up 21 and you don't give it to the running back.....it kinda is.
The stats are the stats. He doesn't get the opportunities other top end backs get(Jones is really good back imo)and hes probably moving on. Unless the Pack flip the switch and offer him a crazy deal.
You play to win. You win by scoring points the best way you can. No GM is going to give Aaron Jones more or less money because he doesn't score a touchdown in a goal to go situation. Smart GMs know his value.
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Interesting thing happened near the end of the Panthers game. With Panthers losing by 5 and facing a 3rd-and-8 at their 35, the final seconds ticked down to the 2-minute warning. Everybody was running around like chickens with their heads off, and the coaches told QB Teddy Bridgewater to just let the clock go down to 2 minutes so they could get a good play in. They still had 1 time-out, and plenty of time remaining.
But Bridgewater sensed that the Broncos weren't ready, hustled the team to the line and took the snap just as the clock hit 2. He then threw a terrible pass out of bounds, forcing a 4th-and-8; the next play (the first after the 2-minute warning) failed, effectively ending the game.
Afterward, the coach was clearly disappointed that Bridgewater had ignored instructions, and Bridgewater admitted he probably shouldn't have. And even the next day (yesterday), the coach -- who has been a players' coach big-time -- was still saying: “Teddy made a decision to run a play when we asked him not to.”
In the NFL, you usually don't hear this kind of frankness.
Bridgewater hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good. He has had a chance to lead a winning or tying drive 7 times, and he is 0-for-7. All of the failures weren't his fault, but he certainly was not part of the solution. He is a caretaker QB, holding the position warm for whomever the Panthers deem is their QB of the future. I'm not in love with any of the QBs not named Trevor in this draft, but I admit that I don't follow college football as closely as many.
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Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.
Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.
Fun fact:
One of the picks the Bears traded to get Trubisky ended up being Alvin Kamara. The Saints acquired it from San Fran.
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I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.
Bridgewater hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good. He has had a chance to lead a winning or tying drive 7 times, and he is 0-for-7. All of the failures weren't his fault, but he certainly was not part of the solution. He is a caretaker QB, holding the position warm for whomever the Panthers deem is their QB of the future. I'm not in love with any of the QBs not named Trevor in this draft, but I admit that I don't follow college football as closely as many.
It’s not 1983, but it’s not a terrible QB draft. Fields and Lawrence are gone in the first 2 picks, so that is what it is. But Zach Wilson from BYU, Mac Jones from Bama, Trask from Florida, and Trey Lance from ND St are all really solid looking pro prospects. Especially somewhere like Carolina where they can sit for a year or two with Teddy at the helm and a great back like CMC to aid them
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I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.
It’s not 1983, but it’s not a terrible QB draft. Fields and Lawrence are gone in the first 2 picks, so that is what it is. But Zach Wilson from BYU, Mac Jones from Bama, Trask from Florida, and Trey Lance from ND St are all really solid looking pro prospects. Especially somewhere like Carolina where they can sit for a year or two with Teddy at the helm and a great back like CMC to aid them
I've read similar, so thanks for the confirmation. The Panthers have some nice, young parts but they still need so much that drafting a QB who isn't a sure thing makes me a little nervous, but I guess I have little choice but to trust the decision-makers.
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I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.
Exactly. Although that can backfire too.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ravens-lewis-went-a-pick-too-soon-for-packers-308j3sf-189135481.html/
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Umm ... he did
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570
and yes, the Chiefs management absolutely knew he was their franchise QB when they drafted him. Is that 'everybody'? no. did he get the start his rookie season because Smith broke his leg 10 months in the future while starting for a different team? no.
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and yes, the Chiefs management absolutely knew he was their franchise QB when they drafted him. Is that 'everybody'? no. did he get the start his rookie season because Smith broke his leg 10 months in the future while starting for a different team? no.
Smith's injury was SO BAD, it apparently made a now non-existent Chief's quarterback lose his starting job to Patrick Mahomes.
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The NFL will prohibit mandatory local bubbles during the postseason. But it will continue to allow teams to voluntarily house players in hotels:
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/nfl-memo-mandatory-bubbles-postseason-play/story?id=74749874
Other things their memo today mandated:
-Mandated that daily testing continue for seven days after the completion of a team's season.
• Clarified that players who are cleared on game day from isolation protocols will be eligible to participate.
• Changed return-to-play protocols for asymptomatic individuals, who will no longer be allowed to return after two consecutive negative tests and instead must wait a full 10 days after the positive specimen was passed while also getting clearance from a physician.
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He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.
Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.
His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.
Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.
I look at this entire season as a tendency breaker. Jones scored 26 TDs last year, many of them in goal to go or redzone situations. Rodgers is infinitely more comfortable in the offense. Take your pick.
Jones is incredibly valuable for what he does, as well as what he's a constant threat to do. He's every bit as good as Kamara. I don't know if the Packers re-sign him, but it would change the entire complexion of the offense.
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I look at this entire season as a tendency breaker. Jones scored 26 TDs last year, many of them in goal to go or redzone situations. Rodgers is infinitely more comfortable in the offense. Take your pick.
Jones is incredibly valuable for what he does, as well as what he's a constant threat to do. He's every bit as good as Kamara. I don't know if the Packers re-sign him, but it would change the entire complexion of the offense.
Jones had 19 touchdowns last year.
He was averaging 18.9 touches per game last year. He’s averaging 19.0 touches per game this year.
He’s a great back. But he’s also running behind an incredible offensive line. He’ll go wherever the money takes him.
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I don’t think the Packers would’ve drafted AJ Dillon so high if they planned on paying Jones big $$.
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I don’t think the Packers would’ve drafted AJ Dillon so high if they planned on paying Jones big $$.
Which isn't great, because he has not looked impressive at all in the little bit of time he's found himself on the field.
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Which isn't great, because he has not looked impressive at all in the little bit of time he's found himself on the field.
23 rushes for 97 yards averaging 4.2/carry. As a rookie. Against three pretty good defenses.
He will be fine.
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23 rushes for 97 yards averaging 4.2/carry. As a rookie. Against three pretty good defenses.
He will be fine.
He's also missed half the season with Covid. At the very least the jury is out on him.
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Will we have the space to sign Williams? I can’t see us paying top dollar for Jones, but if Williams’ price is reasonable, I could see it.
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Will we have the space to sign Williams? I can’t see us paying top dollar for Jones, but if Williams’ price is reasonable, I could see it.
Please no. He averages under 4 per carry for his career. He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.
IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere. What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect. RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish. Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.
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Please no. He averages under 4 per carry for his career. He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.
IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere. What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect. RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish. Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.
Absolutely re-sign him - if you can do it for backup money.
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Williams is great at picking up blitzes and catching the ball out of the backfield. I know the organization thinks highly of him for those two reasons.
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Please no. He averages under 4 per carry for his career. He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.
IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere. What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect. RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish. Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.
That’s the best approach with running backs. Good ones can be had in later rounds and their shelf life is short and drop off sudden. Aaron Jones is a special one though so they may pony up for him. Generally, the Packers won’t pay running backs, centers, guards or middle linebackers. They will let those guys walk and replace them with the draft. Corners, Tackles, Def line and edge rushers are their priorities it seems.
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That’s the best approach with running backs. Good ones can be had in later rounds and their shelf life is short and drop off sudden. Aaron Jones is a special one though so they may pony up for him. Generally, the Packers won’t pay running backs, centers, guards or middle linebackers. They will let those guys walk and replace them with the draft. Corners, Tackles, Def line and edge rushers are their priorities it seems.
Aaron Jones will be forgotten in two years, just like Eddie Lacy, Ahman Green, and Ryan Grant.
And Ahman Green was a 4 time pro bowler... Jones is a good back, love having him, but he has zero pro bowls and his tires will fall off on his next contract. He is 5'9 200 lbs. The hits he takes will take a toll.
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What a cluster eff of a finish.
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Raiders had second and goal at the 3 in OT. If I am them, that gives me three downs to score. Losing two yards on the next play was a problem, but you still have two downs to go five there. Incomplete and FG.
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I expect the Packers to get lots of pressure on Bridgewater and several sacks. Meanwhile, Rodgers will do pretty much whatever he wants to do against my Panthers' secondary. I'd be pretty surprised if GB doesn't win by 2 TDs or more.
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Perfect. A terrible athlete with shot knees tries to leap over the pile, extends the football and blows what should have been a sure TD drive.
I'm so over Teddy Bridgewater. And I'm so tired of hearing that Joe Brady is a genius.
I hope Packers fans, or just smart gamblers, got their bets in on this game.
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Teddy and Cassius Winston look alike to me.
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Unusual bad coaching by LeFluer.
Running at will for a quarter and a half and then he turns into Matt Nagy.
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Packers managed to not cover. Stunned.
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For the second straight week, Panthers coach publicly calls out Bridgewater for making boneheaded mistakes ...
“That (fumble) was emblematic. You talk about a dramatic shift, had he done that on fourth down, I can live with it, right. But just not on first down, especially when I thought we ran the ball well when we did run it tonight,” Rhule said. “That’s a principle of our team, we don’t reach the ball across the goal line until fourth down.”
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Unusual bad coaching by LeFluer.
Running at will for a quarter and a half and then he turns into Matt Nagy.
I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can. The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide. They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.
They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.
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I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can. The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide. They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.
They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.
I don’t know about that at all. If your standard for “taking the foot off the gas” is, “well, they didn’t score 20+ in the second half like they did in the first!” Then yeah I guess. But that seems like a pretty absurd expectation. Scoring 20+ points in a half is not an easy thing to do in the NFL.
In 2 years how many times have the Packers blown a 2 score lead and lost? Colts this year. Otherwise his 6 other losses were either getting dominated from start to finish or tight games the whole way. It really hasn’t been a problem at all.
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If you’re fine with “it was close but they still won” then ok. But the Jax and Carolina games had no business being one possession games late with no second half offense to speak of. The Philly game while a bit fluke, was close late cause they coasted. The Packers have been fortunate for the most part and got the job done, but letting mediocre teams hang around is a recipe for disaster in the NFL. There is a difference between scoring 20 in the second half and scoring 3 or 7/8.
Again, LaFleur is a good coach and is a far cry from pathetic game management like Nagy or Lynn. But it’s just a curious divergence from an offense that often comes out firing on all cylinders.
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The problem was overcoaching. They built the big lead by running the ball early and often.
For some reason, that meant they had to change for the 2nd half.
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If the Jets hang on today, I might get asked to play QB for the Pats in Week 17.
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Jets can't even lose right!
Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?
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Jets can't even lose right!
Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?
Jags right now are in the drivers seat.
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REALLY excited for the Bears to finish 8-8 and Mitch playing moderately respectable the last few games. Resign Mitch, keep Nagy cause he finished with promise...and we can all ignore the Bears for the next 3 years as they chill in purgatory
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Patricia, the defensive savant, created the worst defense in the league.
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REALLY excited for the Bears to finish 8-8 and Mitch playing moderately respectable the last few games. Resign Mitch, keep Nagy cause he finished with promise...and we can all ignore the Bears for the next 3 years as they chill in purgatory
The only saving grace would be if the Packers annihilate the Bears in Week 17.
There’s always been a high degree of meatball attitude in the McCaskey family. If three straight wins over bad/mediocre teams convinces them to bring the whole gang back. What would be hilarious is them franchising Mitch.
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I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can. The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide. They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.
They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.
Mike McCarthy used to do the same thing. Drives me absolutely insane.
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If you’re fine with “it was close but they still won” then ok. But the Jax and Carolina games had no business being one possession games late with no second half offense to speak of. The Philly game while a bit fluke, was close late cause they coasted. The Packers have been fortunate for the most part and got the job done, but letting mediocre teams hang around is a recipe for disaster in the NFL. There is a difference between scoring 20 in the second half and scoring 3 or 7/8.
Again, LaFleur is a good coach and is a far cry from pathetic game management like Nagy or Lynn. But it’s just a curious divergence from an offense that often comes out firing on all cylinders.
I don't know. I guess I just don't see it as a big deal, or see him "letting his foot off the gas too early" as being a trend. Sure, they let some bad teams back door cover on them. Does that concern me? Not really. Did you ever feel like the Packers were at a real risk of losing Saturday, or to the Jags, or to Philly? I didn't. If your team needs to A) get an onside kick, then score, then get a 2 point conversion, then win in overtime, or B) get a 3 and out and then drive 90 yards with 35 seconds and no timeouts and then get a 2 point conversion and then win in overtime, I'm not really concerned about losing in those situations.
In almost 2 seasons, I think LeFleur has lost a game he had the lead at any point twice (Colts and Bucs this year, and the lead was gone very quickly in the Bucs game). Maybe one of the blowouts last year they scored first and then the blowout began? But yeah, I just don't see this as a worrisome trend. When the Packers have had the lead in the 2nd half of games, they've just about always won the game under LeFleur.
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The Packers are first in the league in first half scoring. They are also first in the league in drop off to second half scoring. But they only drop down to 11th in second half scoring overall. I am not sure this is a problem, and I am definitely not sure it is a case of letting off the gas. I think it is a combination of teams making adjustments to an excellent initial game plan, and the Packers defense setting up so not as to give up big plays.
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I was really shocked listening to WSCR this morning. Almost to a man, they are convinced Mitch has turned the corner.
Never once did I hear them mention that it has been against two of the absolute worst defenses in the league. And now they get Jacksonville.
Bears fans need to prepare to have Nagy and Trubisky around for a few more years.
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I was really shocked listening to WSCR this morning. Almost to a man, they are convinced Mitch has turned the corner.
Never once did I hear them mention that it has been against two of the absolute worst defenses in the league. And now they get Jacksonville.
Bears fans need to prepare to have Nagy and Trubisky around for a few more years.
Yup
Seeing the offense/mitch succeed against bad defenses is some fool's gold.
However, the Oline and the playcalling does appear to be improved compared to earlier in the season. Injuries forced oline changes. And playcalls appear to favor individual strengths rather than trying to force any one style/scheme
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Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.
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Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.
I truly believe that was more a conflict of style/personality than ability. I'm not convinced Nagy likes mitch or thinks he can be successful (at least within the system Nagy wants to use). If Nagy could get rid of Mitch while keeping his own job, he'd be able to get his preferred QB.
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Jets can't even lose right!
Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?
Sooooo....does Lawrence refuse to go to Jacksonville? I mean, they're an even more dysfunctional franchise than the Jets and probably won't be in Jacksonville within a few years.
Here's one for you 82, keep him in the Carolinas and have him force a trade to the Panthers.
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Yup
Seeing the offense/mitch succeed against bad defenses is some fool's gold.
However, the Oline and the playcalling does appear to be improved compared to earlier in the season. Injuries forced oline changes. And playcalls appear to favor individual strengths rather than trying to force any one style/scheme
Isn’t the fact that the offensive line has improved an even bigger negative for Nagy? That he waited until the team was 10 games in before he made the personnel changes that led to the improvement? Those guys were there from the beginning of the season and he kept throwing Cowart out there every week?
These are the same guys who were anxious to get the human turnstyle (Jason Spriggs) back from injury so the O-line could improve.
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Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.
2-0, they won the Falcons game after benching Trubisky.
Against the Lions in Week 1, he was 12-27 for 150 yards and a pick until the 4th quarter when the Lions do what they do and collapsed. He also took a bad sack and fumbled that almost would have ended it if Leno didn’t fall on it.
In week 2, up 17-0 at halftime against a bad Giants team, Trubisky went 5-10 for 20 yards and 2 picks in the second half and they almost lost the game.
In that Falcons game, he was completely ineffective and threw another bad pick early in the 3rd quarter when they were already down 23-10 to a bad Falcons team before they made the switch and Foles lead the comeback.
The Bears were “undefeated” in spite of Trubisky. He had been mediocre at best before he was benched.
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Truly a nightmare scenario for Bears fans.
Running into what may literally be the worst 4 defenses in the league in a row at the end of a disastrous season.
Look good the last month and keep Pace and Nagy. Sign Trubisky to a six year, $100+ million contract.
Too good to be true for us GB fans?
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From what I’m hearing/seeing Thinking Pat Fitzgerald to the NFL this offseason may actually be a reality.
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If I understand the NFL tiebreakers correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the Packers game against the Titans does not matter. Win or lose against the Titans, beating the Bears will guarantee the 1 seed and losing to the Bears will guarantee a 2 or 3 seed depending on the results of the Saints and Seahawks games (except for a very convoluted situation where the Packers/Saints/Seahawks go 0-2 and the Bucs/Rams go 1-1, letting the Packers keep the 1 seed at 11-5).
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From what I’m hearing/seeing Thinking Pat Fitzgerald to the NFL this offseason may actually be a reality.
I really could understand if he wants to move on. I am not sure what else he could accomplish at NW.
That being said, the history of coaches going from college to the NFL is obviously not very good. Its even worse for coaches with zero NFL experience. The only one I can think of, and is going into the WAY back machine, is Don Coryell. And he succeeded because he was so damn innovative.
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RIP Kevin Greene. Will never forget the moment captured by NFL Films when he spoke to Clay Matthews right before his forced fumble in the Super Bowl.
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I really could understand if he wants to move on. I am not sure what else he could accomplish at NW.
Yep. And there's no worse than a 40% chance that if the NFL doesn't work out, that job will be there if he wants it back. Most coaches at Northwestern are going to have a rough go, and bringing Fitzgerald back will always be a popular move. I doubt that leaving for an NFL gig at this point would leave any bad blood, especially if the report is true that nine teams have asked after him over the past five years. He's been the head man since '06 and been on staff there since '01. He won a bunch and got those beautiful new facilities built - he's done plenty to take a shot.
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Heard from a NU buddy of mine that if the Bears come calling he’s gone.
Would probably explain a bunch of their players declaring for the draft and entering the transfer portal. Not even backups, but starters are transferring out.
Hank announces his retirement, AD is leaving for the ACC, just too much smoke.
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Sooooo....does Lawrence refuse to go to Jacksonville? I mean, they're an even more dysfunctional franchise than the Jets and probably won't be in Jacksonville within a few years.
Here's one for you 82, keep him in the Carolinas and have him force a trade to the Panthers.
If only.
I wonder how much it would cost the Panthers to move up from #4 or 5, where it looks like they'll be, to #1.
The Panthers need so much that they really can't afford to give up something like three #1s and two #2, or whatever. So it probably won't happen. But damn!
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If I understand the NFL tiebreakers correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the Packers game against the Titans does not matter. Win or lose against the Titans, beating the Bears will guarantee the 1 seed and losing to the Bears will guarantee a 2 or 3 seed depending on the results of the Saints and Seahawks games (except for a very convoluted situation where the Packers/Saints/Seahawks go 0-2 and the Bucs/Rams go 1-1, letting the Packers keep the 1 seed at 11-5).
Mostly correct. Unless both Seattle and NO lose Sunday and GB wins. Then the Bears game would be meaningless to GB. I would still expect GB to use their starters (at least for most of the game against Chi) as you don't want a 3 week layoff.
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Brady might only be a “system quarterback,” as his few critics claim, but the coach who devised that system made the playoffs (and usually won big in those playoffs) when he had Brady ... but is oh-fer without Brady.
Meanwhile, Brady’s gonna make the playoffs in a whole nother system with a sad-sack franchise.
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Brady might only be a “system quarterback,” as his few critics claim, but the coach who devised that system made the playoffs (and usually won big in those playoffs) when he had Brady ... but is oh-fer without Brady.
Meanwhile, Brady’s gonna make the playoffs in a whole nother system with a sad-sack franchise.
I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.
Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges
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I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.
Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges
Also, I think a bunch of Patriot defensive starters opted out this year.
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I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.
Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges
I would suggest that BB the GM has been the biggest problem.
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I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.
Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges
I won't dispute any of that.
I was going to say I won't dispute all the facts in my post ... except I will. In looking up Belichick's record just now, I was reminded that he actually did make the playoffs once with a QB not named Brady. The 1994 Browns made the playoffs, and they won their first playoff game, over New England, with Vinny Testaverde at QB. So I sit corrected.
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How 'bout the Steelers?
That went real bad real fast.
11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.
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Mostly correct. Unless both Seattle and NO lose Sunday and GB wins. Then the Bears game would be meaningless to GB. I would still expect GB to use their starters (at least for most of the game against Chi) as you don't want a 3 week layoff.
Packers would not need a Saints loss if they win, only Seattle. Saints already have 4 losses and the Packers won head to head.
If Seattle loses to the Rams, the Packers can clinch the 1 seed Sunday night against the Titans. And, as was said, the Packers get the 1 seed if they beat the Bears regardless of what else happens.
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How 'bout the Steelers?
That went real bad real fast.
11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.
There has to be something wrong with Ben. He looks shot.
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How 'bout the Steelers?
That went real bad real fast.
11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.
If the Cleveland wins this week against the Jets and Pittsburgh loses this week against the Colts - neither of which would be particularly shocking - week 17 in Cleveland will be wild. The Browns and the Steelers will be tied and playing for the division title on the last day of the season. I hope the NFL would flex this game to Sunday night.
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There has to be something wrong with Ben. He looks shot.
He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career. It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.
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There has to be something wrong with Ben. He looks shot.
Ethanol and chasin' tail kinda duz dat after a bit, aina?
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He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career. It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.
Sure, but look at his stats early in the year versus the last couple games. It’s not just the defenses they were playing, he can’t throw a long ball and has no accuracy anymore. That wasn’t the case early in the season. It looks like he’s nursing something they haven’t disclosed. His arm is stiff and weak.
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If the Cleveland wins this week against the Jets and Pittsburgh loses this week against the Colts - neither of which would be particularly shocking - week 17 in Cleveland will be wild. The Browns and the Steelers will be tied and playing for the division title on the last day of the season. I hope the NFL would flex this game to Sunday night.
In the olden days (such as all the way back to last season), this would have been a huge deal. But only the No. 1 seed gets a first-round bye this season, so it doesn't matter as much. Still, for the Browns to win the division after years of futility, for the Steelers to blow it after an 11-0 start, and for the Browns to beat the Steelers to make all that happen, yep, that would be something.
He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career. It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.
Was thinking the same. But ESPN is reporting that he doesn't want to retire after the season.
Cam Newton says he wants to keep playing, too, and his arm looks even more shot than Ben's.
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Sure, but look at his stats early in the year versus the last couple games. It’s not just the defenses they were playing, he can’t throw a long ball and has no accuracy anymore. That wasn’t the case early in the season. It looks like he’s nursing something they haven’t disclosed. His arm is stiff and weak.
Without a running game the LBs are able to drop back making the intermediate passes more difficult.
They will be lucky to win one game in the playoffs.
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Lions requested their Saturday night game be moved to Sunday due to COVID. Because Detroit, the league said no. So most of the coaching staff will still be in quarantine and the Lions will be coached by assistants far down the food chain, none of whom having ever called plays in am NFL game. It should be interesting to see how the line responds to this.
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Lions requested their Saturday night game be moved to Sunday due to COVID. Because Detroit, the league said no. So most of the coaching staff will still be in quarantine and the Lions will be coached by assistants far down the food chain, none of whom having ever called plays in am NFL game. It should be interesting to see how the line responds to this.
It certainly can't hurt, can it?
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Should just let Stafford call his own plays.
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They NFL has moved how many games around? But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available. One day. Back to the regular day. Detroit.
If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...
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They NFL has moved how many games around? But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available. One day. Back to the regular day. Detroit.
If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...
It’s because it’s a Saturday game in a dedicated time slot.
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It’s because it’s a Saturday game in a dedicated time slot.
That, and the outbreak is controlled I assume. Similar to Denver having to use a WR at QB.
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They NFL has moved how many games around? But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available. One day. Back to the regular day. Detroit.
If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...
Might be an improvement, hey.
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Saints running through Vikings like a warm knife through butter.
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Saints running through Vikings like a warm knife through butter.
Good effort by the Quitter Queens.
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5 seconds after Buck and Aikman said Payton knew about the record and would give Kamara a chance for TD#6, Payton took Kamara out of the game.
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Kamara killing me in both my fantasy championships. Of course.
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That, and the outbreak is controlled I assume. Similar to Denver having to use a WR at QB.
Yeah, that’s why the league said Denver had to play as scheduled. As long as you have the designated minimum number of players, you play. Apparently there was no similar requirement for coaches.
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Alvin Kamara (and Aaron Jones) are why you don't take a back in the 1st round anymore (waves to Jerry Jones).
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Alvin Kamara (and Aaron Jones) are why you don't take a back in the 1st round anymore (waves to Jerry Jones).
But Kamara also got a huge payday which you’re not supposed to do anymore either
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With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.
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With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.
(Except Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday)
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So after the Jacksonville game yesterday, the Bears will have played the 4 worst defenses in the NFL in a row.
Chicago sports talk radio would have us believe the Bears are scoring more points because Mitch has figured things out. They are talking about the need to bring Mitch back next year.
Please do.
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With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.
What? They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.
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The Cleveland Browns will be without 4 wide receivers for their game tomorrow due to contact tracing after a positive Covid test:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30600941/cleveland-browns-delay-flight-player-tests-positive-covid-19
Their flight to New York was delayed for 4 hours while they did the contact tracing. Starting receivers Jarvis Landry and Rashard Higgins, along with key backups Donovan Peoples-Jones and KhaDarel Hodge are out tomorrow and they had to call up two players from the practice sqad.
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What? They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.
They tied a record by playing all their games on days ending in "Y."
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What? They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.
it was a graphic on ESPN this morning
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it was a graphic on ESPN this morning
An NFL game has been played on every day of the week for the first time. Not limoted to the Vikings.
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What a lousy final drive by the Cardinals. 6 yard pass completions to the middle of the field down 8, inside your own territory with no timeouts.
Just terrible.
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Nice choke job by Kliff Kingsbury, Kyler Murray and the AZ Cardinals.
Door is open for the magnificent Bears!
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Can’t figure out if the cardinals are any good. They have a couple wins but some really bad losses.
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Nice choke job by Kliff Kingsbury, Kyler Murray and the AZ Cardinals.
Door is open for the magnificent Bears!
Making the playoffs would be the worst thing for the Bears franchise.
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An NFL game has been played on every day of the week for the first time. Not limoted to the Vikings.
Lol.
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My hot take...
Cardinals should fire Kingsbury and hire Saleh as HC. Kingsbury is not a good coach. Saleh already knows the NFC West, the Cardinals problems are a below average defense and lack of TE and a burner on offense. I think Saleh would be very successful there.
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Can’t figure out if the cardinals are any good. They have a couple wins but some really bad losses.
Yeah ... like their loss to the inept Panthers.
My hot take...
Cardinals should fire Kingsbury and hire Saleh as HC. Kingsbury is not a good coach. Saleh already knows the NFC West, the Cardinals problems are a below average defense and lack of TE and a burner on offense. I think Saleh would be very successful there.
Makes sense ... so it won’t happen.
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First time watching Miami this year.
Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.
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First time watching Miami this year.
Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.
I hate Tuna too. Smells awful.
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Making the playoffs would be the worst thing for the Bears franchise.
I can’t emphasize this enough. I’m f-ing livid at all the morons who are excited about the Bears having an outside chance at the playoffs. It would be beyond a disaster in terms of both buying Nagy multiple years and a likely long term $$$$ deal for Mitch.
First time watching Miami this year.
Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.
He’s looked good at times. The Dolphins are just in a weird situation at the position. They know Tua is the future and he has moments, but they are also in the thick of a playoff race and can’t let him learn and fail on the job. Fitz is a far better QB and team manager now
Speak of the devil, wow
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What a game.
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Unbelievable.
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Unbelievable.
Take the damn points.
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I honestly have no idea how Fitzpatrick made that throw with his head literally turned 90 degrees.
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I told my wife at the time - I’d rather have an 8 point lead with 50 seconds that a 2 point lead with 23 seconds left.
Smart for Jacobs to go down on 1st and 2nd down, but go for the points on 3rd down.
Always try to win rather than try not to lose
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Two other baffling Raiders decisions:
On 3rd and goal, knowing you are going to kick it, why not have Carr take a couple yards back and kneel to kill 2 more seconds? If you re-watch, Carr kneels instantly, burning no additional time off.
On the last kickoff, make the Dolphins return it. A kickoff to the 10 will either be fair caught or returned and burn 7ish seconds. The reward is greater than the risk in that situation.
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Two other baffling Raiders decisions:
On 3rd and goal, knowing you are going to kick it, why not have Carr take a couple yards back and kneel to kill 2 more seconds? If you re-watch, Carr kneels instantly, burning no additional time off.
On the last kickoff, make the Dolphins return it. A kickoff to the 10 will either be fair caught or returned and burn 7ish seconds. The reward is greater than the risk in that situation.
Solid observations.
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Gruden’s team collapses - lost 5 of their last 6.
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Gruden’s team collapses - lost 5 of their last 6.
Wasn't the only game that they won against the Jets when Greg Williams was worse than Chuckie?
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I’m an absolute sucker for basketball and football manipulation of the clock with the rulebook. I think it’s incredibly smart to do things outside the box.
I can’t take credit for these ideas, but I love them both.
On third and goal, the Raiders could have told everyone on the line of scrimmage to tackle/hold their defender, and had Carr sprint back to the 7 yard line. As soon as a defender gets near Carr, he simply takes a knee. The Dolphins would of course decline the penalty, so the game clock would restart and run.
When the Fins got the ball with 19 seconds left, every Raider defender in coverage commits illegal contact or holding (blatantly tackling the receiver). The risk here is someone gets up, completes a reception and gets out of bounds before getting to Fitz. Most likely Fitz scrambles and runs out of bounds, but the clock burns here. Downside is the five yard penalty gives Miami at least one more play. However, the ball at this point is at the Miami 30, now with most likely the clock under ten seconds.
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I’m an absolute sucker for basketball and football manipulation of the clock with the rulebook. I think it’s incredibly smart to do things outside the box.
I can’t take credit for these ideas, but I love them both.
On third and goal, the Raiders could have told everyone on the line of scrimmage to tackle/hold their defender, and had Carr sprint back to the 7 yard line. As soon as a defender gets near Carr, he simply takes a knee. The Dolphins would of course decline the penalty, so the game clock would restart and run.
When the Fins got the ball with 19 seconds left, every Raider defender in coverage commits illegal contact or holding (blatantly tackling the receiver). The risk here is someone gets up, completes a reception and gets out of bounds before getting to Fitz. Most likely Fitz scrambles and runs out of bounds, but the clock burns here. Downside is the five yard penalty gives Miami at least one more play. However, the ball at this point is at the Miami 30, now with most likely the clock under ten seconds.
I think the easiest way to do it would’ve just been to score the touchdown, go for 2 and make them score a touchdown (regardless of the 2 point attempt) in 50 seconds with no timeouts.
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The Kmet end around when a QB sneak would do on the half yard line is why Nagy should be fired
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Holy hell Trubi is terrible.
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Impressive display of football to end the half in the Bears/Jags game.
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The Kmet end around when a QB sneak would do on the half yard line is why Nagy should be fired
This is why Nagy is a complete and utter a**hole. Dude thinks he is the smartest guy not only in the room, but the entire league. And it’s not “you take the good with the bad”, cause 95% of his gadget run plays are complete and utter trash.
Holy hell Trubi is terrible.
Cant wait to watch that highlight again in my mind in 3 months after the Bears extend him.
Other highlights from that miserable last 2 min...Smith making a great pick, running it back, and seemingly looking to, at best, switch hands to continue to be a return hero, at worst, looking to f-ing lateral it. Either way, he fumbles and is SUPER lucky to get it back.
Then, Bears actually smartly take the quick slant to the wide open middle of the field with the Jags in prevent...but then Kmet IMMEDIATELY sits down despite tons of field and tons of time. Id much rather have a 35 yarder than a 40. It’s not the worst thing ever, but it just feels like further lack of coaching and game awareness and field sense that the Bears are plagued with
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It certainly can't hurt, can it?
It's the Lions. It can hurt.
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I don't think I've ever seen a team go from "Dolphins watch" to "I hope we play them in the playoffs" as fast as the Steelers....
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That was a hit.
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Will be interesting to watch Henry bounce off the packers defense in the snow tonight.
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Kind of funny that among the teams that benefit from a loss, the team that DGAF the most today...is the Chiefs. Reid is treating it like practice. Mahomes is disinterested and lazy with his throws. They’ll still win cause the Falcons and Matt Ryan suck. But my god they are uninspired.
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Will be interesting to watch Henry bounce off the packers defense in the snow tonight.
Get that big ole contract ready, Pace. You were right all along - Mitch was a steal at #2.
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The NFC East and the AFC Wild Card pictures are absolutely nuts.
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Nice of the Panthers to shake up the QB situation even further in Washington by not even attempting to try while Heinicke was in there late.
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Nice of the Panthers to shake up the QB situation even further in Washington by not even attempting to try while Heinicke was in there late.
It can be quite difficult to distinguish between when the Panthers are trying and when they aren’t.
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Meaningless game for the packers tonight. Will be interesting to see how they approach the game. No injuries please.
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Meaningless game for the packers tonight. Will be interesting to see how they approach the game. No injuries please.
Um..
No its not.
They lose tonight. And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield. Assuming the Saints dont lose to Panthers next week.
Pack need to win tonight to lock up the bye and homefield
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Um..
No its not.
They lose tonight. And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield. Assuming the Saints dont lose to Panthers next week.
Pack need to win tonight to lock up the bye and homefield
Wrong. If the Packers lose tonight and then beat the Bears, they get home field throughout the Playoffs.
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Wrong. If the Packers lose tonight and then beat the Bears, they get home field throughout the Playoffs.
Uhh no sh it. I literally said that.
"And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield"
My post was exactly right. The Pack have something to play for tonight because nothing is wrapped up yet
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Uhh no sh it. I literally said that.
"And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield"
My post was exactly right. The Pack have something to play for tonight because nothing is wrapped up yet
No you said if they lose tonight and next week then they lose home field as long as NO wins.
That’s wrong. Tonight’s game doesn’t matter. If they beat the Bears, they have the bye. Whether they win or lose tonight.
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No you said if they lose tonight and next week then they lose home field as long as NO wins.
That’s wrong. Tonight’s game doesn’t matter. If they beat the Bears, they have the bye. Whether they win or lose tonight.
Dude yes todays game does matter. Because If they win tonight(which they are going to). They wrap up the bye. Its over. Done. Next week they could lose by 300 million.
If they lose tonight. They must win next week(assuming Saints win next week).
I literally said that in the post you quoted. Like word for word. My god.
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Dude yes todays game does matter. Because If they win tonight(which they are going to). They wrap up the bye. Its over. Done. Next week they could lose by 300 million.
Dude go do some research.
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Dude go do some research.
What research?
The packers are 11-3
The Saints are 11-4
If the Packers lose to the Titans they are 11-4 as well.
The Packers beat the Saints head to head and own the Tiebreaker. Therefore the Packers clinch the bye next week IF they beat the Bears or the Saints lose the Panthers.
But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.
It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
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But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.
It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
Ahh, I see you didn’t go do your research.
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ANYWAYS, hope that failed 4th down wasn’t a momentum killer. Titans finally figuring things out on offense. Packers need a score on their first drive of the second half.
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What research?
The packers are 11-3
The Saints are 11-4
If the Packers lose to the Titans they are 11-4 as well.
The Packers beat the Saints head to head and own the Tiebreaker. Therefore the Packers clinch the bye next week IF they beat the Bears or the Saints lose the Panthers.
But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.
It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
A win tonight doesn't clinch anything. They have to win next week or seattle loss.
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Ahh, I see you didn’t go do your research.
Oh my bad I forgot about Seattle still being in it with 4 losses. So they can't clinch this week.
But this week still matters because winning this week lock them at 12 wins. That way they automatically take out the Saints from the equation and they make it so that Seattle must win while the Pack lose to Chicago.(Saints can only win a 3 way tie)
If the Pack win tonight. They can clinch with a loss next week(albeit unlikely) with Seattle losing next week as well.
If Pack lose tonight and next week. They will also need NO to lose to Carolina.
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Oh my bad I forgot about Seattle still being in it with 4 losses. So they can't clinch this week.
But this week still matters because winning this week lock them at 12 wins. That way they automatically take out the Saints from the equation and they make it so that Seattle must win while the Pack lose to Chicago.(Saints can only win a 3 way tie)
If the Pack win tonight. They can clinch with a loss next week(albeit unlikely) with Seattle losing next week as well.
If Pack lose tonight and next week. They will also need NO to lose to Carolina.
We all knew that except for you. But go ahead and continue to be a know-it-all.
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We all knew that except for you. But go ahead and continue to be a know-it-all.
Yet, I said "tonight matters". It does. It increases the odds. Thus mattering.
And again, your initial comment to me was stating, That the Pack can clinch next week with a win verse Chicago. Which I literally said in the post you quoted. And then I requoted.
So if "what you all knew" was that they cannot clinch homefield tonight. You should have said that instead of saying "wrong" and then repeating exactly what I said.
You got yourself to blame. Sorry.
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Packers needed that bad. Yikes Vrabel.
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That was a brutal no challenge by Titans.
Rodgers to Adams is insane.
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This has been a very rough game for the officials.
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LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO THE BIG BOY ON SHORT YARDAGE!
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Really enjoyed the AJ Dillon coming out party. Perfect conditions for his style tonight.
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Really enjoyed the AJ Dillon coming out party. Perfect conditions for his style tonight.
Hopefully we see more of him.
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This has been a very rough game for the officials.
2 major missed calls. Moot point, Packers dominating.
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2 major missed calls. Moot point, Packers dominating.
Packers would have won going away no matter, my point was both calls weren’t even borderline, just egregious misses.
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MVP race is over.
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I’ve been hard on Pettine this year, but he had a plan tonight.
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Packers would have won going away no matter, my point was both calls weren’t even borderline, just egregious misses.
Right, the out of bounds play could have been challenged. Packers probably go down and score anyway.
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Probably the most consistent performance by the packers this season. Good time to start peaking.
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Just heard a stunning factoid: Panthers and Hornets won on the same day for the first time since October 2017.
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Just heard a stunning factoid: Panthers and Hornets won on the same day for the first time since October 2017.
NBA capped off a WEIRD sports day. Browns lose a near MUST win to the f-ing Jets. Chiefs sneak by a hapless Falcons team at home. Then you move to the NBA, Nets lose to the Hornets who were on a back to back. Bucks look HORRIFIC against a bad Knicks team who are also on a back to back. And the Celtics lose their second in a row, after beating the Bucks, to a Pacers team also on a back to back resting Oladipo. Pro sports can be bizarre
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NBA capped off a WEIRD sports day. Browns lose a near MUST win to the f-ing Jets. Chiefs sneak by a hapless Falcons team at home. Then you move to the NBA, Nets lose to the Hornets who were on a back to back. Bucks look HORRIFIC against a bad Knicks team who are also on a back to back. And the Celtics lose their second in a row, after beating the Bucks, to a Pacers team also on a back to back resting Oladipo. Pro sports can be bizarre
We have some folks here who love betting on anything and everything, but your comment highlights why I pass on that activity. Sincere props for those good enough to make real money on those wagers.
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Hey, the Bears can sign Dwayne Haskins.
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Hey, the Bears can sign Dwayne Haskins.
Talk about a dumpster fire. He was SOOOO bad yesterday against the Panthers, and he obviously has other issues, too.
There are coaches/OCs who believe they can "save" players like this, especially if they believe he really is talented. I mean, even Ryan Leaf got second and third chances.
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If I were a Fins fan, I’d be both excited about my team’s future, and going crazy at the “what if?”. Considering where the Texans pick will end up, most likely third, it’s fascinating to me if they would have drafted Herbert over Tua. If one assumes Herbert would have excelled in Miami like he is in LA, the Fins could (potentially) have gotten Sewell at 3 in 2021. They’d have a franchise QB and a franchise LT both on rookie deals. They’d still have their own first rounder, the Texans second rounder (pick 35 or 36) and their own second rounder. That’s three other high end, extremely inexpensive starters. That’s just the first two rounds, they can add depth or a potential starter or two from the rest of their picks.
Now they still have all that capital, and have a tough decision to make at three because Tua is still an unknown. I don’t think they’d do it, but it’d be an interesting godfather offer to Jacksonville to offer Tua, both first rounders this year, and both second rounders this year for the #1 overall pick. That offer might even require next years first.
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I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.
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I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.
The talent is there. The consistency is not yet. Very high ceiling, obviously.
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I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.
It seems something has clicked in his head and he put it together this year.
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A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.
How things have changed!
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Panthers had been allowing 5000-6000 fans per game but not allowing any other than family members for season finale vs Saints. We aren't the worst COVID-19 state, but things aren't good here.
Saints would get No. 1 seed in the NFC with a win, a Packers loss and a Seahawks win, all of which are viable. Panthers are playing very hard and, at times, fairly well.
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A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.
How things have changed!
But Detroit is eternal.
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A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.
How things have changed!
I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia."
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I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia."
That was my thought. Beyond weather, the only time they’ve truly been “bad” was under Herm Edwards, and that was only a few years. Haley was bad, but they still won their division. Otherwise it was fairly regular playoff appearances going back 30 years to the start of the Schottenheimer era
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I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia."
I was thinking a few years ago
KC Record
2012 2-14-0
2011 7-9-0
2010 10-6-0
2009 4-12-0
2008 2-14-0
2007 4-12-0
2006 9-7-0
2005 10-6-0
2004 7-9-0
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I was thinking a few years ago
KC Record
2012 2-14-0
2011 7-9-0
2010 10-6-0
2009 4-12-0
2008 2-14-0
2007 4-12-0
2006 9-7-0
2005 10-6-0
2004 7-9-0
In Cleveland, that stretch would have been known as "the good times"!
I'm not disputing what you really said, though. (Or at least what I thought you were saying.) The teams/areas that had been considered part of the NFL wasteland is suddenly at or near the top of the heap.
One of the things I love about sports is the cyclical nature of it. That's doubly true of the NFL. That the Patriots stayed at or near the top for so long was incredible.
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Talk about a dumpster fire. He was SOOOO bad yesterday against the Panthers, and he obviously has other issues, too.
There are coaches/OCs who believe they can "save" players like this, especially if they believe he really is talented. I mean, even Ryan Leaf got second and third chances.
On First Take this morning one the talking heads referred to Haskins being cut as “white privilege.” WTF?
It’s actually a case where Rivera overruled Snyder, the guy who drafted Haskins.
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On First Take this morning one the talking heads referred to Haskins being cut as “white privilege.” WTF?
It’s actually a case where Rivera overruled Snyder, the guy who drafted Haskins.
I have never seen First Take and I'm not about to start now, so I can't comment on what they did or didn't say.
Haskins really, really sucked. That I can comment on.
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First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.
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First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.
The definition of clickbait.
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First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.
Same as Jemele Hill and Cari Champion asking Jake Paul if it was racist to knock out Nate Robinson. Except that was so bad that they immediately tried to back track with “it’s a joke!” And got lauded for “trolling”
Lowest common denominator nonsense
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Yikes, word out that Bakhtiari is out for the year on an injury, maybe torn ACL. Horrible timing for him and the team. Ugh.
Also probably means he’ll miss pretty much all of next season. What a gut punch.
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Yikes, word out that Bakhtiari is out for the year on an injury, maybe torn ACL. Horrible timing for him and the team. Ugh.
Also probably means he’ll miss pretty much all of next season. What a gut punch.
That’s brutal, and a gigantic loss for their playoff run. I’d imagine like you mentioned, his 2021 season is in peril.
For his sake, I’m glad he signed his new paper when he did.
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If I were a Fins fan... I’d be both excited about my team’s future, and going crazy at the “what if?”...
I don’t think they’d do it, but it’d be an interesting godfather offer to Jacksonville to offer Tua, both first rounders this year, and both second rounders this year for the #1 overall pick. That offer might even require next years first.
Pretty much. I was all in on Tua over Herbert going into the draft, so was relieved how it turned out at the time. Maybe its just emotional sunk cost, but I'm still bullish enough on Tua that I don't lose sleep yet on Herbert's results. Herbert is a good player and will rack up stats, but you know Tua's teammates go to his birthday party and his college skills are all still in there somewhere. So while I'm also relieved that the luster is wearing off Fields (think that will get worse again tonight) because it saves one tough decision, the Lawrence question is very real. The Dolphins are the only team with the draft capital to realistically make a run at getting him , and if you think there's a good chance he'll be a top 3 NFL QB in 2024, you have to do it. I still think I want to build around Tua, because even if he doesn't evolve to huck it like those other guys, he doesn't have the personality to go out there and lose you games. But if Jacksonville would be willing to deal, its something Miami has to at least consider.
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I liked Herbert almost as much as Burrow going into the Draft. I thought, and still think, Tua would be a decent but not great starting NFL QB. I wouldn’t give up that much for Lawrence. And if I were the Jags, I wouldn’t give up the top pick for less than that. So I think the Jags stay where they are.
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Jacksonville would never give up that pick. Not only is Lawrence a potential franchise QB, but he could be an iconic figure for a franchise that has never had one.
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Makes so much sense for Jax to hire Urban Meyer and let him build the team around Lawrence. Nobody goes to Jags games; that would change instantly.
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I liked Herbert almost as much as Burrow going into the Draft. I thought, and still think, Tua would be a decent but not great starting NFL QB. I wouldn’t give up that much for Lawrence. And if I were the Jags, I wouldn’t give up the top pick for less than that. So I think the Jags stay where they are.
The feelings on Herbert looking pretty good right now. I agree with everything else you said here. And my aqua-colored glasses say that a good but not great QB can win a super bowl with the type of resources and draft capital Miami has. But swapping a Mahomes for a David Carr certainly gives a team a lot fewer outs.
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Jacksonville would never give up that pick. Not only is Lawrence a potential franchise QB, but he could be an iconic figure for a franchise that has never had one.
Mark Brunell?
As for the Dolphins, no way they should do it. Tua is only 22, he’s been inconsistent but he’s not been bad by any stretch this year. He’s had a short leash cause they are in playoff contention and they have a super sub backup in Fitz who is as good as any coming off the bench cold. I get the Lawrence allure, but they had a pretty good team with a young QB and a ton of good draft capital. They are in a really nice spot
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My three hour old prediction on Fields has aged... poorly.
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The Saints have placed Alvin Kamara on the reserve/Covid list after he tested positive for Covid. He will not play tomorrow against the Panthers and may miss the first playoff game if the Saints don't get the #1 seed in the NFC:
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_59519c62-4c77-11eb-8d02-0fa31a121bcf.html
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The Browns have shut down their facility for now and are doing contact tracing after a member of the Coaching Staff has tested positive for Covid - https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1345371230514409474
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The Bengals apparently have a couple of players test positive and/or are symptomatic.
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Such a Lion way to end a half.
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The Dolphins are going to need to trade up for Lawrence or Fields.
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The Jets have become a friggin' juggernaut.
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Most Lions roughing the passer call ever. Wow.
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The Browns are in! Woo hoo! And looks like they might get the Steelers again - which I think is better than getting matched up with the Bills or Titans.
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Refs already caught up in the Soldier Field mystique!
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I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.
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I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.
Worst special team in the league strikes early.
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This is Fox’s second crew, how did they not have a camera angle from the reverse sideline?
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I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.
Replay was inconclusive either way. I just don’t know how the ref originally called him out at the 1 and then changed his call without replay. Even ran the clock for 1 second.
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Defense got completely outmuscled on the first drive.
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I still don't understand the opening kick off ruling. The ball never went ob
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I still don't understand the opening kick off ruling. The ball never went ob
If the player is out of bounds when he initially touches the ball, the KO is ruled out of bounds.
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Got it. Thanks Fluffster, hey?
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Best part of no fans is some of the onfield audio that picks up, like hearing Davante yelling “are you f-ing serious” to the field judge who didn’t throw the flag on PI.
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I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.
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I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.
Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?
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I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.
Hah. Davante certainly wasn’t happy.
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Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?
Yup, same guy.
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Worst special team in the league strikes early.
How can they be this bad?
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Have I said it yet today?
Worst special teams in the league. Even compared to the crappy ones they have had.
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Deciding on a field goal on 4th and short is less than ideal.
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Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?
It could be that his assignment was the receiver on the sideline.
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I’ll take MVS vs an LB any day.
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Guarding MVS with an LB is not a good scheme.
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Same as the KO. Might be a fumble, but not enough evidence.
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Fire Pagano into the sun.
On the same play where he had an LB cover MVS, akiem Hicks also dropped into coverage.
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Same as the KO. Might be a fumble, but not enough evidence.
Luckily they ruled fumble on the field.
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Luckily they ruled fumble on the field.
I missed that. I thought they called him down.
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Fire Pagano into the sun.
On the same play where he had an LB cover MVS, akiem Hicks also dropped into coverage.
Yea Pagano is awful. Fangio was able to get Mack opportunities to the quarterback. Pagano has done nothing with him in two years.
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19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.
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19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.
Hard to catch the ball when you are that wide open.
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19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.
That is an insane stat. I wonder what the NFL record is for most straight TDs in the red zone.
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Packers D now smothering them. Easy when every play is within 5 yards of LOS.
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I have no idea who was who in those really old flash back videos but the one guy kicking the other guy in the butt who was on his hands and knees is hilarious. I’ve never seen that clip before.
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Bears RB runs out short of a first down. Then Pack jump early for a free play and Trubi throws a swing pass.
Come on Cards. Let the Bears into the Playoffs.
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Nagy is 100% calling the plays today.
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Nagy is 100% calling the plays today.
C’mon. They had a play that went over 10 yards. On a 3 yard pass ::)
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Bears RB runs out short of a first down. Then Pack jump early for a free play and Trubi throws a swing pass.
Come on Cards. Let the Bears into the Playoffs.
I mean, have you been watching AZ/LA? Neither of those QBs should be in the NFL, let alone starting a playoff game.
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MvS Giveth and MVS taketh
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Really poor coverage by Savage on that bomb.
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Deciding on a field goal on 4th and short is less than ideal.
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That drop by MVS really deflated packers momentum. Horrible second drive and now bears are moving a lot easier.
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OL for Bears definitely jumped.
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Barnes is such a faker lol. Second time he’s been “injured” this series, and has come back into the game.
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Eye'd let King walk in free agency. Dude tackles like a complete puu say, aina?
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What a horrendous play call.
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That was the most boring drive that ended with no points in the history of football.
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What a horrendous play call.
Yup. Winning in the trenches all drive and you go from the gun. And then roll him out staring down one guy.
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Cat's in da bag and da bag's in da river, aina?
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There’s the Mitchell we love.
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Dagger!!!
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This Texans/Titans finish has massive implications for multiple franchises.
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MVP won’t be unanimous, but it should be.
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And the McCaskey overlords are pleased.
Sell the damn team.
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Couldn’t figure out why Robinson wasn’t on Kevin King’s side of the field most of the game. Instead they left him on Jaire Island almost all game.
Nagy isn’t capable of making those changes.
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Playoffs! Wecomeback Pace and Nagy.
Hopefully Mitch will join them. He has really grown in the last 5 games.
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Jonathan Taylor comfortably wins the battle of former badger RBs today.
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Hey Bears fans ...
Congrats?
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This Titans/Texans game has been wild.
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Unreal finish.
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Some short handed teams and some schedule reshuffling but shoutout to NFL for getting all the games in this season.
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Since I’m looking forward to the Nickelodeon game next weekend, I’m glad it’s going to be an AFC game.
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Lol what is Vic Fangio doing?
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Mitch is your guy if your plan is to never throw it more than 2 yards past the line of scrimmage.
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Bears stink.
Sell the team.
Start over.
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If the NFL decides to put Bears/Saints on Saturday, Kamara can’t play. If it’s Sunday, he’s eligible.
I think there’s a chance Bears/Saints gets the Saturday primetime slot.
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Bears stink.
Sell the team.
Start over.
Playoff team!
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If the NFL decides to put Bears/Saints on Saturday, Kamara can’t play. If it’s Sunday, he’s eligible.
I think there’s a chance Bears/Saints gets the Saturday primetime slot.
They said they won’t schedule based on covid availability but I just have a hard time seeing them not putting saints on Sunday
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Perfect example of the Nagy experience, that last drive. Meandering down the field, but not just trying to kill the clock. Finally get in range of the end zone with 40 seconds left. Keep bleeding clock, get within the 10 on the scramble, chance for 2-3 shots at the end zone...throw short of the end zone and let the clock expire with a TO. Of course it was a meaningless drive, but it’s also a chance to get Mitch end of game practice...but like everything in his tenure, Nagy has no clear what he wants to do and it’s clearly making it up on the fly. Ultimately meaningless except as a prime example of what a dud he is
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They said they won’t schedule based on covid availability but I just have a hard time seeing them not putting saints on Sunday
The Nickelodeon game will be an AFC game in the Sunday afternoon slot. We have seen the NFL get wonky on not going on a NFC/AFC rotation on Wild Card weekend the last couple years.
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The Nickelodeon game will be an AFC game in the Sunday afternoon slot. We have seen the NFL get wonky on not going on a NFC/AFC rotation on Wild Card weekend the last couple years.
sorry what’s the Nickelodeon game?
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Did Quinn play today? Never heard his name.
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sorry what’s the Nickelodeon game?
NFL and Viacom (CBS) are going to simulcast a AFC Wild Card game next Sunday at 3:30 on Nickelodeon. The broadcast will have its own production and broadcast crew and be geared towards kids.
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My guess
Saturday in order
Colts at Bills
Ravens at Titans
Bucs at East
Sunday
Bears at Saints
Browns at Steelers
Rams at Seahawks
Packers will play prime time Saturday
Chiefs first game Sunday.
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NFL and Viacom (CBS) are going to simulcast a AFC Wild Card game next Sunday at 3:30 on Nickelodeon. The broadcast will have its own production and broadcast crew and be geared towards kids.
I completely missed that. Thanks.
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Unreal finish.
Glad I tuned into the end of that one - the doink was awesome :)
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Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.
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Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.
That’s what it looks like.
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Bears at Saints, 3:40 CST Sunday
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Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.
CBS and NBC won the rights to the 2nd wild card game. In CBS case, conference doesn't matter.
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Rodgers Touchdown Passes: 48
JK Scott punts: 46
4th time in NFL history.
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Saturday, January 9th
Colts @ Bills - 12:05pm CT - CBS
Rams @ Seahawks - 3:40pm CT - Fox
Buccaneers @ Washington/Giants - 7:15pm CT - NBC
Sunday, January 10th
Ravens @ Titans - 12:05pm CT - ESPN/ABC [Megacast]
Bears @ Saints - 3:40pm CT - CBS/Nickelodeon
Browns @ Steelers - 7:15pm CT - NBC/Peacock
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From the looks of the scheduling, both CBS and NBC were rewarded for bidding highest on the extra wild card games. NBC gets both primetime slots, Brady/NFC East, and Pittsburgh. CBS will get the best rated game of the weekend in Bears/Saints.
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Can’t imagine being a giants fan seeing Nate Sudfeld enter this game.
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This game is a real clash of Titans. At least people didn’t have to pay to watch this circus.
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Punt it
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Or do that.
Idiot Eagle
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Eagles bench looks ready for a mutiny.
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Happy for Rivera, but that was some real sh1tty sh1t from Pederson.
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I wonder if Pederson did that on his own, or if it was an organizational decision from Lurie.
I’d also be curious if there were fans in the stands, if the Eagles go the route they did (so blatantly).
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So the NFL world is going apoplectic for a Qb with a 25.4 rating tonight being pulled? What he was ready to get on a roll?
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I wonder if Pederson did that on his own, or if it was an organizational decision from Lurie.
I’d also be curious if there were fans in the stands, if the Eagles go the route they did (so blatantly).
That was all so odd and on the heels of the Wentz stuff today, Pederson comes off looking strange. I get seeing what you have in young guys in meaningless games, but Sudfeld is a 27 year old from Indiana with a ceiling as a game manager. Its not like they were working out some raw 23 year old with crazy physical skills. If Sudfeld had been the backup all year, pulling him to give Hurts some run in this game makes sense. The other way around makes no sense.
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Pederson may have lost the locker room tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go.
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Pederson may have lost the locker room tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go.
That’s one possibility, he got informed before the game, and he didn’t give an eff what happened. There’s ways to do what the Eagles probably were aiming for without it coming across as odd and blatant as it did.
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So the NFL world is going apoplectic for a Qb with a 25.4 rating tonight being pulled? What he was ready to get on a roll?
Hurts absolutely gave the Eagles the best -- really the only -- chance to win that game. He already had scored two TDs. His running skills alone made him dangerous.
And as other Scoopers have said, it would be one thing if he were being pulled to let some kid with potential play, kind of an audition for next season -- in other words, somebody like Hurts. Pederson threw a nobody with no future out there, and simply handed Washington a playoff spot.
I'm not "apoplectic." And I don't think the Giants really have a complaint, because all they had to do was win 7 games all season they'd be in. But IMHO Pederson "disrespected the game."
You're free to disagree. It's more or less a free country.
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"Disrespected the game?" ::)
Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them? Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?
The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles. Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.
Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking. Don't tie draft order to previous year results. Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.
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"Disrespected the game?" ::)
Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them? Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?
The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles. Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.
Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking. Don't tie draft order to previous year results. Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.
I agree with most of this.
I still think playing that stiff was appalling.
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Sports writers gonna hyperbole even when they are no longer sports writers I guess.
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"Disrespected the game?" ::)
Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them? Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?
The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles. Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.
Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking. Don't tie draft order to previous year results. Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.
What about the dudes on the field who were busting their a$$es all game and kept it close only to get slapped in the face by their own coach putting that dude in. You could tell the entire bench just deflated after Sudfeld went in.
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What about the dudes on the field who were busting their a$$es all game and kept it close only to get slapped in the face by their own coach putting that dude in. You could tell the entire bench just deflated after Sudfeld went in.
What about them? They're getting paid. The coach makes the personnel decisions.
The idea that he is going to "lose the locker room" in a meaningless game on the last day of the season is absurd.
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This was pretty funny. Kind of shows media just looking to make headlines.
https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1345972541173755904?s=21
People were shaking their heads and making fun of the Jets for winning. I mean people chuckled about the Jets doing an all-out blitz to lose to the Raiders. Williams got fired, but that was happening anyways.
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This was pretty funny. Kind of shows media just looking to make headlines.
https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1345972541173755904?s=21
People were shaking their heads and making fun of the Jets for winning. I mean people chuckled about the Jets doing an all-out blitz to lose to the Raiders. Williams got fired, but that was happening anyways.
Yep. Fire up the ole outrage machine.
Yet the Steelers sit a couple of starters in a game that was meaningful for teams making the playoffs and....crickets.... I guess that wasn't an appalling example of a team disrespecting the game.
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Teams should play to win in my opinion. The only exception would be resting players if a playoff spot is clinched. I think building a winning culture is more important than getting a higher draft pick. A coach losing his players is real, doesn’t matter what game of the year.
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I guess Pederson said earlier in the week they planned to go to Sudfied at some point. If Hurts tears an ACL in a meaningless game, he’d get questioned the other way I’m sure.
If this wasn’t SNF, it is not a big deal. Also, the Giants could have won more than 6 games.
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I guess Pederson said earlier in the week they planned to go to Sudfied at some point. If Hurts tears an ACL in a meaningless game, he’d get questioned the other way I’m sure.
If this wasn’t SNF, it is not a big deal. Also, the Giants could have won more than 6 games.
You're right. Pederson has no obligation to the Giants. But, why play Sudfield at all? He is NOT part of the future in Philly. If Doug wanted to find out if Sudfield was good enough to play, he should be a fan - not a coach. Every coach was know that Sudfield has as much chance to be a successful NFL QB as Tayler Bray. Zero percent.
If Hurts is gonna be a part of the QB competition next year, than last night is exactly the game where you leave him in for experience. A one possession game in the 4th quarter.
If Pederson makes it through the off-season, I think there is a very good chance he lost the team last night. We'll see. But if he gets fired this week, it will be because the players no longer want him as coach.
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You're right. Pederson has no obligation to the Giants. But, why play Sudfield at all?
+1. You get what you pay for when you need an eliminated team to win, so it isn't a "think of the children" thing. That the game mattered is interesting because that made it 100% foreseeable that Pederson would catch shi!t, and I don't see why you'd bench your raw but promising 22 year old QB prospect with 4 starts to his name. You'd think they would want to get him as many meaningful reps as possible. Especially because there is no "seeing what we have" in Nate Sudfeld. He's a 27 year old that was drafted in a class with Cody Kessler and Jeff Driskel. These guys are what they are, and that is bottom tier backups. The Eagles are either going to pay for an experienced backup to Hurts or draft a mid-late round flier, and either way, letting Sudfeld huck it a dozen times at the end of the game yesterday wasn't going to have any bearing.
The fact that the team's franchise QB/former MVP candidate turned reclamation project intimated earlier in the day that he was willing to give back money to get outta dodge has to be relevant here. I just can't figure out the angle.
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Teams should play to win in my opinion. The only exception would be resting players if a playoff spot is clinched. I think building a winning culture is more important than getting a higher draft pick. A coach losing his players is real, doesn’t matter what game of the year.
a few weeks ago the media and fans were mocking the Jets for winning games and hurting their draft position. Now the media and fans are mocking the Eagles for losing and improving their draft position by three positions. Perhaps a QB at#6 is where they're looking and by losing they moved in front of the Lions, who are likely in the market for a QB.
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a few weeks ago the media and fans were mocking the Jets for winning games and hurting their draft position. Now the media and fans are mocking the Eagles for losing and improving their draft position by three positions. Perhaps a QB at#6 is where they're looking and by losing they moved in front of the Lions, who are likely in the market for a QB.
Yeah I get it, but good teams don't do that. Media and fans are idiots, 1a and 1b it doesn't matter what they say or think.
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Yeah I get it, but good teams don't do that. Media and fans are idiots, 1a and 1b it doesn't matter what they say or think.
That's the point. They're not good teams. And pulling a move like Pederson did is part of the reason why.
Why should players value winning if the coach doesn't value winning. If you coach to lose, you teach your players that a paycheck is all that matters.
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This discussion about the Eagles tanking (and the Jets having the audacity to win a couple) is one reason I prefer college sports to pro. In college, teams won't gain some benefit next season by tanking. So football teams fight like hell even to win meaningless games like the Potato Bowl and the Cheez-It Bowl, and basketball teams battle even if they're doing it in the NIT. Ditto for meaningless late-season games between teams that won't have a post-season.
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That's the point. They're not good teams. And pulling a move like Pederson did is part of the reason why.
Why should players value winning if the coach doesn't value winning. If you coach to lose, you teach your players that a paycheck is all that matters.
Agree, that's exactly what I said above.
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The idea that he is going to "lose the locker room" in a meaningless game on the last day of the season is absurd.
Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.
Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.
I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.
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Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.
Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.
I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.
I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.
First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.
A lot of these reactions were heat of the moment. I think he’s more likely to lose the locker room for being 4-11-1 than how he coached in Week 17.
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I think it would be important to know if pederson made the decision or if it came from GM or owner
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Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson.
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I assume you haven’t played competitive sports.
Poor assumption on your part.
I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.
Exactly. No one is going to give a sh*t come summer.
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I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.
First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.
A lot of these reactions were heat of the moment. I think he’s more likely to lose the locker room for being 4-11-1 than how he coached in Week 17.
You may be right. I differ a bit from what you say.
I was listening to Boomer Esiason a few weeks ago and one thing he kept saying is "you always play to win". Of course, he was talking about the player's viewpoint. I think sometimes we forget how tough the play is in the NFL. These guys are out there putting their bodies on the line every play. Once they feel that the coach no longer has their backs in that effort, it causes damage to the team's psyche.
Eagles' players busted their a$$es trying to win the game and then the coach just said, "nevermind". I think that will be hard for the players to overcome.
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First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.
Moving up a whopping three spots in the draft may be a slightly decent business decision for the franchise - though maybe not, given Eagles recent drafts - but it's far from a good business decision for Pederson. He damaged relationships with his top two QBs and several other veterans, tarnished his reputation around the league, and it's wishful thinking to believe it'll all be forgotten in a few months.
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Moving up a whopping three spots in the draft may be a slightly decent business decision for the franchise - though maybe not, given Eagles recent drafts - but it's far from a good business decision for Pederson. He damaged relationships with his top two QBs and several other veterans, tarnished his reputation around the league, and it's wishful thinking to believe it'll all be forgotten in a few months.
Because he inserted the back up quarterback in the fourth quarter of the meaningless last game of the season?
Seriously, let's try to be less dramatic here.
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Because he inserted the back up quarterback in the fourth quarter of the meaningless last game of the season?
Seriously, let's try to be less dramatic here.
He didn't just insert the backup QB. He inserted a third-string QB who hadn't played a down in more than two years into a competitive game. He clearly was trying to lose.
It may have been meaningless to you, but it clearly wasn't to his players, or the rest of the league.
Not sure what I said that's dramatic, though. If you think that the reports that several Eagles players were and are pissed off about it - including direct quotes from Miles Sanders today - are meaningless drama, that's fine. Wrong, but fine.
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He didn't just insert the backup QB. He inserted a third-string QB who hadn't played a down in more than two years into a competitive game. He clearly was trying to lose.
It may have been meaningless to you, but it clearly wasn't to his players, or the rest of the league.
Not sure what I said that's dramatic, though. If you think that the reports that several Eagles players were and are pissed off about it - including direct quotes from Miles Sanders today - are meaningless drama, that's fine. Wrong, but fine.
Here's what he said:
"If I'm being honest, nobody liked the decision. Nobody. That's all I can say....I don't know who was the main person behind that decision, but all I know is a lot of people on the team were confused."
Wow. Really inflammatory stuff there.
Even if he is toning down his true emotions here, there is really nothing to suggest that Pedersen "damaged relationships" with players in the locker room or "tarnished his reputation" around the league.
This is manufactured drama that will all be forgotten by the time the season rolls around.
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Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.
Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.
I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.
It doesn't seem like the players were on board with the tank job. Football is an intense and violent game, and Pederson's (or the GM's) actions were especially insulting to the defensive guys and O-lineman who were working hard and putting their bodies on the line each and every play.
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rumors that Carson Wentz requested a trade, good luck with that contract.
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Wow. Really inflammatory stuff there.
Easy with the straw man.
Even if he is toning down his true emotions here, there is really nothing to suggest that Pedersen "damaged relationships" with players in the locker room or "tarnished his reputation" around the league.
There's loads of evidence. Players, coaches, former players, former coaches, executives, analysts, etc., across the league have said so. This isn't just Skip Bayless and Stephen A. going on rants. These are his players and his peers around the league, along with the reasonable voices who cover the NFL (i.e. Chris Collinsworth, Steve Marinucci, Charles Robinson).
You're just choosing to ignore and/or downplay their comments because they don't fit the "manufactured drama" hill you're apparently happy to die on.
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rumors that Carson Wentz requested a trade, good luck with that contract.
The incredible decline of Carson Wentz baffles me. I saw him live prior to the knee injury and said at the time that no QB reminded me more of Rodgers in his ability to make smart decisions, deliver pinpoint accurate throws on the run, and use his legs both within the pocket and to pick up yardage when necessary. Now he's just got a big bag of nothing.
I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.
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Easy with the straw man.
There's loads of evidence. Players, coaches, former players, former coaches, executives, analysts, etc., across the league have said so. This isn't just Skip Bayless and Stephen A. going on rants. These are his players and his peers around the league, along with the reasonable voices who cover the NFL (i.e. Chris Collinsworth, Steve Marinucci, Charles Robinson).
You're just choosing to ignore and/or downplay their comments because they don't fit the "manufactured drama" hill you're apparently happy to die on.
I'm not dying on a hill. I'm just not buying the drama. Time will tell.
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The incredible decline of Carson Wentz baffles me. I saw him live prior to the knee injury and said at the time that no QB reminded me more of Rodgers in his ability to make smart decisions, deliver pinpoint accurate throws on the run, and use his legs both within the pocket and to pick up yardage when necessary. Now he's just got a big bag of nothing.
I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.
I have wondered if Reich and DiFilippo leaving the coaching staff after 2017 has had anything to do with his slipping. This is an older article, but it makes me wonder...
https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-carson-wentz-tough-love-john-defilippo-quarterbacks-coach-press-taylor-doug-pederson-mike-groh-20191208.html
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https://youtu.be/OD2qmLoMh4k
wentz analysis
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I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.
Jim Plunkett?
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Jim Plunkett?
Kurt Warner
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Kurt Warner
Ryan Tannehill
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Kurt Warner
I think the difference was Warner was actively playing with a broken hand when he lost form. He probably would have stayed the starter and been good again the very next year in NY if Eli wasn’t there. Wentz is “healthy” and an absolute broken disaster
Ryan Tannehill
Tannehill played on terrible teams his early career. Then the year after he blew out his knee, he was actually pretty good. 17/9, 65% completion percentage. 93 QBR which was actually a bit better than in the past. He was just traded cause Gase wanted his own QB, not cause he fell off. I’d argue he was a decent QB who became very good in Tennessee, not a very good QB who fell off and then became very good again
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Kurt Warner broke his pinky finger in 2000 (the season in between his two Super Bowl seasons in St. Louis) when the backup center thought he was going to line up in shotgun instead of under center. At the time, St. Louis was undefeated and averaging 44 points per game. They lost in the playoffs as Trent Green spent some time filling in.
In 2002 he broke the same finger. He also had career long chronic on and off again thumb issues since his Arena League days. (He finally felt comfortable with a glove on his hand in Arizona and eventually made it back to a third Super Bowl after the other two in St. Louis) He had a lot of issues prior to that gripping the ball.
When with the Giants, he played the opening game with a concussion and shouldn't have played.
Going periods of time not playing and not getting hit as often helped Warner later in his career.
Warner of course originally got his original chance in St. Louis because of Rodney Harrison's pre-season hit on Trent Green Warner's first season in St. Louis, which some would classify as dirty. Green later went on to start 80 consecutive games with Kansas City several years later.
When healthy, and at times not healthy Warner could sling it. (Had HOF support as well with Pace, Faulk, Bruce and soon to be Holt)
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Looking forward to gorging myself in football games this weekend. Already told my wife that I will have my ass planted on the recliner with beer nearby and fire in the fire place all weekend.
Will be rooting for the Bills, Rams and Washington on Saturday and the Ravens, Bears and Steelers on Sunday. I think all those teams win except the Bears. I do think the Bears will be competitive and have a chance if they can rattle Brees and, maybe finally cash in on a turnover or three.
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Redskins aren't playing this weekend.
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Redskins aren't playing this weekend.
Hard to break old habits. fixed it. hope they get a real nickname next year.
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Hard to break old habits. fixed it. hope they get a real nickname next year.
Just pulling your chain. It would be real nice as a Packer fan to see the WFT, Rams and Bears win this weekend. I think the only one with a shot though is WFT because they're playing at home and have a decent defense. Not sure they can score enough points though.
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Just pulling your chain. It would be real nice as a Packer fan to see the WFT, Rams and Bears win this weekend. I think the only one with a shot though is WFT because they're playing at home and have a decent defense. Not sure they can score enough points though.
As a Tom Brady fantasy owner, he does struggle with teams with a good pass rush. Granted, it doesn’t sound like Smith is healthy and they are talking about rotating QBs. They may need a Defensive TD to have a real shot.
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I have zero feel for any of these wild card games this weekend. I could see the Bills blowing out Indy, or Indy gets the ball first, grinds out time of possession, gets an early Allen pick and makes it a game.
Rams/Seahawks...no clue, Seattle is a real unconvincing 12-4.
Tampa should win easy, but WFT has the no one believes in us mantra, and to beat Brady, you have to knock him down, which Washington can do. I have no idea how WFT scores.
I think the wonkiest game will be Bears/Saints. Total gut feeling on that. Saints have lost at home their last two playoff games. Bears have to get to Brees to have a chance.
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I have zero feel for any of these wild card games this weekend. I could see the Bills blowing out Indy, or Indy gets the ball first, grinds out time of possession, gets an early Allen pick and makes it a game.
Rams/Seahawks...no clue, Seattle is a real unconvincing 12-4.
Tampa should win easy, but WFT has the no one believes in us mantra, and to beat Brady, you have to knock him down, which Washington can do. I have no idea how WFT scores.
I think the wonkiest game will be Bears/Saints. Total gut feeling on that. Saints have lost at home their last two playoff games. Bears have to get to Brees to have a chance.
Well good news, based on his regular season performance, I think robert Quinn has been saving his energy for the playoffs
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Looooooooong way to go
But I said all week the value play this opening weekend was Colts ML. With a spread hedge if desired.
Absolutely punching the BIlls in the mouth the first 28 minutes.
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Looooooooong way to go
But I said all week the value play this opening weekend was Colts ML. With a spread hedge if desired.
Absolutely punching the BIlls in the mouth the first 28 minutes.
Immediately after saying that......Colts run a pitch play on 3rd and goal from the 1 and walk away with 0
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Immediately after saying that......Colts run a pitch play on 3rd and goal from the 1 and walk away with 0
And let the Bills drive 96 yards in a minute to end the half, including jumping offsides on 4th and 3 from the 26.
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And let the Bills drive 96 yards in a minute to end the half, including jumping offsides on 4th and 3 from the 26.
The offsides was awful. Bills get the ball to start the half now too.
Colts executed their game plan perfectly in the 1st half but costly miscues and drops got them down now.
Not ideal.
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What a terrible challenge on the Moss non-fumble by Indy. How do they challenge that?
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Josh Allen is pretty darn good.
Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.
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Josh Allen is pretty darn good.
Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.
So is Stefon Diggs. LOL Vikings.
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Colts keep doing stupid sh it. Why go for 2 there???
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So is Stefon Diggs. LOL Vikings.
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The Vikings got Justin Jefferson plus compensation.
It was a brilliant trade. For both teams.
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Josh Allen is pretty darn good.
Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.
They aren’t trading for him, they have little capital to offer, and no where near the capital the Fins or Jets have. Also, they couldn’t trade Mack until after June 1st, even then they won’t. Houston won’t take on a 30 year old Mack with (essentially) 2 years left on his deal.
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Fumble to lose it lol.
Colts really gave this one away.
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Fumble to lose it lol.
Colts really gave this one away.
Uh. What? That was a fumble.
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I am watching this wondering how the calls would be different if the Lions were playing.
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Yeah that seemed to be a clear fumble.
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This drive has been absolutely brutal. Got the ball with 2:34 I believe? At around the 15? And you couldn’t even get within Hail Mary range. Terrible.
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This drive has been absolutely brutal. Got the ball with 2:34 I believe? At around the 15? And you couldn’t even get within Hail Mary range. Terrible.
Yeah that was brutal. Rivers couldn’t even get it to the end zone. Why not put in Jacoby?
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You can not, under any circumstance, burn a timeout in the third quarter if the play clock is running out. The timeout is so much more valuable than the 5 yards.
Don’t even get me started on that awful challenge. Dumpster firing two timeouts in the second half of a playoff game is inexcusable.
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Uh. What? That was a fumble.
That was a crazy non overturn. Clear as day that the guy was up and fumbled.
Colts were all out of wack after the review though so it didnt hurt
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The only thing worse than that bungled review was Rivers and the Colts final drive. Just baffling decision making and clock management. They didn’t deserve to get to OT, much less win that game
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The Rams jerseys always look dingy.
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Why does LA only keep two QBs active when one is already hurt?
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If the Rams find a way to win, Goff is a hellacious story.
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These cameras they’re using coming out of commercial are pretty awesome.
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Rams trying to take the game to halftime. Pete Carroll calls his last timeout even though the Rams would just run the ball, then run the clock down to like 2 or 1 seconds at most and then just run around and throw it out of bounds to end the half. But Bobby Wagner then gets hurt.
Get bent Pete.
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Why does LA only keep two QBs active when one is already hurt?
Wofford going to the hospital in ambulance after what I thought was a really dirty hit by Adams with a fiag that was inexplicably picked up.
Rams only dressed QB now has pins in his hand.
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If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.
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This would be a brutal loss for Seattle.
Rams down to 1 QB who literally cannot throw. When health hes not good and statue. Now he has no thumb.
Hawks D is just awful. Adams turns around on the terrible throw to Kupp and its a pick. D gave up a 50 yard 3rd down dump off.
Russ has been out of wack for like 9 games now. O line is terrible.
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If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.
Packers match up well with Rams. Rams defense is real, but can't see their offense outscoring the Packers.
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If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.
Yeah butt, GB has struggled against quick, physical defense. That's da Rams, hey?
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Packers match up well with Rams. Rams defense is real, but can't see their offense outscoring the Packers.
I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.
But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.
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Any of the underdogs this weekend would be fine with me as a Packers fan. I think the Packers beat any of their potential first game matchups, but I wouldn’t be thrilled to have to play the Bucs. Saints and Bucs scare me the most, with the Rams a bit behind. I think they handle the rest of the NFC pretty easily.
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Any of the underdogs this weekend would be fine with me as a Packers fan. I think the Packers beat any of their potential first game matchups, but I wouldn’t be thrilled to have to play the Bucs. Saints and Bucs scare me the most, with the Rams a bit behind. I think they handle the rest of the NFC pretty easily.
That's how I see it too. It may sound moronic but Bears may pull it off. Just a feeling. This is the best chance for the Packers in many years.
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I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.
But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.
I think Packers would load the box to slow down the run and make a gimpy ineffective Goff beat their strong secondary. Plus they have snacks! (And... Vogue65 says Packers beat anyone because they have 7 days more rest.)
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I never thought I would ever say "make Russ Wilson beat you" but thats the exact strategy right now. Dude is shook.
Rams should literally not throw another pass this game until it is tied.
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I never thought I would ever say "make Russ Wilson beat you" but thats the exact strategy right now. Dude is shook.
Rams should literally not throw another pass this game until it is tied.
“Make Russ beat you from the pocket” is always the way to beat the Seahawks.
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“Make Russ beat you from the pocket” is always the way to beat the Seahawks.
He's even worse when he leaves the pocket today. Guy is a complete mess.
Almost threw another pick as I type this.
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He's even worse when he leaves the pocket today. Guy is a complete mess.
Almost threw another pick as I type this.
Why are Rams challenging this, dumb asses.
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Why are Rams challenging this, dumb asses.
Both teams with brutal challenges in this game.
This is one of the worst games I have ever watched.
Pack have got to be licking their chops.
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Both teams with brutal challenges in this game.
This is one of the worst games I have ever watched.
Pack have got to be licking their chops.
I cant figure out if both defenses are this good or the offenses are just horrific.
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Broken ribs for Donald? They way Rus landed on him it definitely could be. Wouldn’t mind him being out.
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I cant figure out if both defenses are this good or the offenses are just horrific.
Seattles D is pretty poor. They have been most of the year and are giving up the occaisional big plays to a QB who stinks and doesnt have a throwing hand thumb.
Rams D is really good though. Seattle offense is not helping themselves at all however.
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That’s as poor a showing from a 12-4 team without any major injuries as you’ll ever see.
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I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.
But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.
You apparently arent familiar with the pass only offense of matt nagy.
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Lol running a sneak with Goff?
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That’s as poor a showing from a 12-4 team without any major injuries as you’ll ever see.
Apparantly you missed Packers, 49ers last Jan.
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Apparantly you missed Packers, 49ers last Jan.
I should have clarified “...in the Wild Card round.”
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You apparently arent familiar with the pass only offense of matt nagy.
Overall correct. More a statement on Montegomery running the ball pretty darn well over the final 2 months(and the Pack handled him well).
Obviously know they don't actually hand it off nearly as much as Titans do to Henry.
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Enjoy watching Brady Do his thing.
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Tampa has so many weapons
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This Heinicke kid is fun to watch.
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Underdogs are 13-1 against the number in the Wild Card round last 14 games. If WFT holds, it’ll be 15-1 and 3-0 today.
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Underdogs are 13-1 against the number in the Wild Card round last 14 games. If WFT holds, it’ll be 15-1 and 3-0 today.
So you like the Bears getting 10? That does seem like a ton of points.
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I thought that the Panthers stinkin' out the joint the second half of the season might mean OC Joe Brady wouldn't get seriously considered for one of the head-coaching vacancies. But he has had several interviews and somebody certainly could take a flyer on the 31-year-old. He seems to be a bright guy with people skills, but frankly he looked overmatched in the second half of the season.
Opposing coaches seemed to know what the Panthers were going to do much of the time, and on many, many occasions there was confusion between Brady and the offensive huddle. On two of those occasions, indecision on a key play in the closing minute cost the Panthers chances to win.
He is young, and he can improve on all that stuff, but it sure seems a reach to give a young guy with very limited experience a head-coaching gig. But I do know that's the trend now, so we'll see.
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Leave it to the Texans. After they go through the "inmates running the prison" debacle, finally getting rid of Bill O'Brian and having the opportunity to start anew, they go out and hire a search firm to identify potential GM candidates...and promptly ignore all of their recommendations to hire the guy from the Patriots who they weren't allowed to hire a year ago.
And then, after seeking Deshaun Watson's input in the process, they ignore his recommendation to interview Eric Biennemy. So now he wants to be traded.
What a horribly run franchise.
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Leave it to the Texans. After they go through the "inmates running the prison" debacle, finally getting rid of Bill O'Brian and having the opportunity to start anew, they go out and hire a search firm to identify potential GM candidates...and promptly ignore all of their recommendations to hire the guy from the Patriots who they weren't allowed to hire a year ago.
And then, after seeking Deshaun Watson's input in the process, they ignore his recommendation to interview Eric Biennemy. So now he wants to be traded.
What a horribly run franchise.
People were quick to deem it diva behavior when he complained about the GM search, like “how much does he really know about GMs”...completely ignoring the fact that he’s a bright guy and he can clearly see the organization is learning nothing from their failures and just firmly committed to doing the same as before.
The coaching search is even more egregious. To ignore your franchise player, and supposed future, and not even interview the guy is baffling beyond belief. Be interesting to see who is in play for him if they do even explore trading him. We know it won’t be the Bears cause they can’t have nice things
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AJ Brown is becoming one of my fave players.
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People were quick to deem it diva behavior when he complained about the GM search, like “how much does he really know about GMs”...completely ignoring the fact that he’s a bright guy and he can clearly see the organization is learning nothing from their failures and just firmly committed to doing the same as before.
The coaching search is even more egregious. To ignore your franchise player, and supposed future, and not even interview the guy is baffling beyond belief. Be interesting to see who is in play for him if they do even explore trading him. We know it won’t be the Bears cause they can’t have nice things
Jeez. This is bad. All for some doofus who worked his way up from being a "character coach."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/10/report-texans-were-poised-to-hire-omar-khan-as-g-m/
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This Heinicke kid is fun to watch.
Agreed. On a day of generally blah football, he was poised and intriguing. Gritty performance to come back from injury too. Will be interested to see what he does next.
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Me five minutes ago: You know, maybe this Lamar Jackson during the playoffs thing is actually worrisome.
Me now: Nevermind.
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Agreed. On a day of generally blah football, he was poised and intriguing. Gritty performance to come back from injury too. Will be interested to see what he does next.
He played about half a game for the Panthers with a broken arm. Tough kid.
Every once in a long while, a QB who fell through the cracks emerges as legit - Kurt Warner leaps to mind - but more likely he is very limited to what he can do and that's why he can't keep an NFL job. He is the kind of athlete I root for, though.
And speaking of QBs who are fun to watch ...
Lamar Jackson just escaped almost a sure sack, got out of the pocket, and raced to the end zone. Once he got in the clear, it was as if he had been shot out of a cannon. Nobody was gonna catch him.
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Titans first quarter coaching...bueno.
From then on...no bueno.
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Yeah that punt on fourth and 2 from the 40....
https://twitter.com/surrender_idx90/status/1348364467575382021?s=21
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By the way I have generally liked ESPN’s crew on MNF, but they seemed overwhelmed here. No one questioned that punt. It’s like they have their talking points and are sticking to them. Riddick is hardly talking at all.
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Titans first quarter coaching...bueno.
From then on...no bueno.
BAFFLING stubbornness from Vrabel and the Titans. This is wild
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1348360544651272193?s=21
Ravens have been selling out on the run all game and the Titans have just been waltzing right into it.
I was really looking forward to this game and it’s been total garbage
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By the way I have generally liked ESPN’s crew on MNF, but they seemed overwhelmed here. No one questioned that punt. It’s like they have their talking points and are sticking to them. Riddick is hardly talking at all.
Agreed, the ESPN broadcast always feels so over produced and practiced than any other broadcast. I thought from my own personal enjoyment category, I thought the announce crew was vanilla and terrible. It’s like ESPN goes out of its way to not upset the NFL in any way, it hurts the product.
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BAFFLING stubbornness from Vrabel and the Titans. This is wild
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1348360544651272193?s=21
Ravens have been selling out on the run all game and the Titans have just been waltzing right into it.
I was really looking forward to this game and it’s been total garbage
Titans started off torching them through the air too. So they knew it was working.
Just flat out stopped doing it.
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Bears are going to have to throw the ball more than 3 yards down field if they’re going to beat a good team.
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Bears are going to have to throw the ball more than 3 yards down field if they’re going to beat a good team.
Yes, but problem is that’s about all Trubisky is capable of completing.
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What an awful call on the field to let the saints influence an incomplete call.
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Easy overturn.
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No one makes more business decisions than Eddie Jackson. He’s been awful this year.
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Kant blame #10 four dat TD drop, aina?
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Mitchell has thrown some dimes today. Gotta catch that.
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Lol what are they doing?
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Apparently the Bears traded for MVS this week.
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Nagy sent out a Save The Date card with the first round of the Playoffs as the date? I’m sure the team really rallied around that.
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Not gonna win if you are gonna drop the rare Trubisky dime and then if Trubisky is gonna run out of bounds in fear on 4th down.
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Nagy sent out a Save The Date card with the first round of the Playoffs as the date? I’m sure the team really rallied around that.
Nagy is the champ at dumb motivational bullsh*t.
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I know I want my backup QB throwing the ball on 3rd down.
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I don't understand why Sean Payton is so obsessed with giving Hill snaps. It's why the Pack beat them in NO. Brees has a noodle arm, but at least he'll value the ball and get it to all their weapons with room to work.
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What an idiot.
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I don't understand why Sean Payton is so obsessed with giving Hill snaps. It's why the Pack beat them in NO. Brees has a noodle arm, but at least he'll value the ball and get it to all their weapons with room to work.
I think it’s the only way they can stretch the field.
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Bears really not taking advantage of sh it.
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There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.
NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.
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There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.
NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.
Oh god. Not this stuff now.
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There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.
NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.
Sure, ok
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Very impressed with Bears D so far. Playing smart, aggressive, fast and well despite being shorthanded and despite going up against a very talented offense.
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Oh god. Not this stuff now.
Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?
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Refs caught up in the Superdome mystique, aina?
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Saints doing what the packers did and expecting the 2-3 yard dinks and swarming.
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Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?
If you toss the ball to your opponent, penalty is automatic.
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Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?
I think he either said something or thought he threw the ball at Jenkins. Probably just a bad call.
And with that not being a fumble, perhaps we should put to bed the conspiracy ideas.
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I think he either said something or thought he threw the ball at Jenkins. Probably just a bad call.
And with that not being a fumble, perhaps we should put to bed the conspiracy ideas.
If you're talking to me, i have no belief there is some conspiracy. Just a really weak 15- yarder in that situation. He clearly tossed the ball to an official.
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If you toss the ball to your opponent, penalty is automatic.
He clearly didn’t though.
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If you're talking to me, i have no belief there is some conspiracy. Just a really weak 15- yarder in that situation. He clearly tossed the ball to an official.
No I was referring to whomever implied conspiracy. I think the Kmet call was just a bad call.
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Two timeouts just under 2 minutes and they run 3 times?
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Two timeouts just under 2 minutes and they run 3 times?
Was gonna post the same.
You don’t even pretend you want to score? Wow.
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He clearly didn’t though.
Could’ve easily been a no call but the ref and defender were basically on top of each other and he flipped the ball in that direction.
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The guy who dropped the easy touchdown pass for the Bears is the same guy who punched the Saints defender in week 8? Oh.
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The Saints stink. The Bears are likely not going to be the ones to make them pay for that.
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Hard to understand how a professional football team like Bears can have so few offensive threats
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The Saints stink. The Bears are likely not going to be the ones to make them pay for that.
Makes me want to root for Saints as a Packer fan. Bear fans gotta be pulling their hair out. Hard team to watch.
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You drop a TD pass ... you go offside on 4th down ... you don’t even think about trying to score at the end of the half ...
Bears aren’t good enough even if they don’t do that crud. But they did, and they’re effed.
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Hard to understand how a professional football team like Bears can have so few offensive threats
Cohen, Mooney, and now Miller all out.
Not that Miller is any good, but he’s better than whatever 6th string WR is out there.
Mooney hurts because Saints don’t have to worry about anybody going over the top of the defense.
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Cohen, Mooney, and now Miller all out.
Not that Miller is any good, but he’s better than whatever 6th string WR is out there.
Mooney hurts because Saints don’t have to worry about anybody going over the top of the defense.
Good points
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Stickin' a glass rod up yo johnson and slammin' it wit a hammer has gotta hurt, aina?
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My God Sean Payton loves him some Taysom.
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My God Sean Payton loves him some Taysom.
I’d argue Payton had gotten very little out of the talent he has had over the past decade plus.
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I’d argue Payton had gotten very little out of the talent he has had over the past decade plus.
I agree. He and McCarthy were way overrated. They were both lucky to have truly great QBs.
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I’m sorry you guys had to sit through this garbage.
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The improvement of Mitchell is so overblown. He was 3-3 in the last 6 weeks and the wins came against teams with a combined 11 wins and all 3 wins came against teams in bottom 6 defense and he also lost to the worst defense (Lions). I don’t know about other games but all his offense against the packers came in garbage time. Please don’t cut him.
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Mitch sucks but this game isn’t on him.
He was actually throwing some dimes earlier and the coaching staff just gave him zero chances.
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The improvement of Mitchell is so overblown. He was 3-3 in the last 6 weeks and the wins came against teams with a combined 11 wins and all 3 wins came against teams in bottom 6 defense and he also lost to the worst defense (Lions). I don’t know about other games but all his offense against the packers came in garbage time. Please don’t cut him.
He’s a free agent.
Also, you’re missing the point on why he was successful. Lazor didn’t call the plays last week, and judging by their approach today, he ain’t calling this game either. In spite of the competition that was faced, there was a stark contrast between Nagy and Lazor.
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Mitch sucks but this game isn’t on him.
He was actually throwing some dimes earlier and the coaching staff just gave him zero chances.
I mean he didn’t lose the game by any means, but he’s not very good.
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He’s a free agent.
Also, you’re missing the point on why he was successful. Lazor didn’t call the plays last week, and judging by their approach today, he ain’t calling this game either. In spite of the competition that was faced, there was a stark contrast between Nagy and Lazor.
100% this.it was so obvious it was Nagy’s play sheet last week.
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Sean Payton risking Brees and his offense for a totally meaningless TD is stupid.
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Still in it!
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Props to the Bears. Helluva goal line stand.
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#7 couldant even run back ta get da fook up, hey?
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Aka washed up. Pitt shoulda drafted Love, hey?
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Meaningless TD for the Bears at the end, but it was a great catch.
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Go Browns! This has been fun to watch so far :). What a great start by the Browns.
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Aka washed up. Pitt shoulda drafted Love, hey?
Steelers should bring in the back up. Might bring some much needed energy.
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Packers at 3:30 Saturday.
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Tomlin won’t be fired because it’s Pittsburgh, but he’s been unimpressive for a few years now.
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Packers at 3:30 Saturday.
I wish they would’ve put it in primetime. It’ll be the most competitive game next weekend in my opinion.
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I wish they would’ve put it in primetime. It’ll be the most competitive game next weekend in my opinion.
Ravens/ bills?
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Ravens/ bills?
Definitely in the discussion, I just am intrigued by this Rams/Packers the most. I believe it’s going to be a solid game.
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Don’t know why Steelers punted there.
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Tomlin won’t be fired because it’s Pittsburgh, but he’s been unimpressive for a few years now.
That decision to punt, absolutely should be fireable.
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These are billion dollar companies, led by millionaire coaches that consistently make awful, awful, awful in game decisions.
I’ve joked on here that a team should simply hire a 14 year old Madden player to sit up in a booth and tell coaches what decisions to make.
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Sean Payton risking Brees and his offense for a totally meaningless TD is stupid.
He was trying to run the clock down but Numnuts Nagy decided to start calling timeouts down 3 scores with no offense and under 4 minutes. Wasn’t calling them as they moved down the field, literally waited for the Saints to get vanilla inside the red zone. I bet he was the dude to steal the basketball as his opponent eased up and dribbled out the clock up 15.
And it’s not like he has some super aggressive nature, as we saw what he did to end the first half. He’s just such a putz
Can’t wait for Pace to get the ax, Nagy to stay, and god knows what they do at the QB position. Probably trade for Glennon
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I suspect the Browns' game plan involves sending Stefanski to the Chiefs' facility to cough on things(and maybe Mahomes', Hill's and Kelce's houses).
That was fun last night. Sad when a team is up 35-10 at the half and their fans are (rightly) thinking, "That's not enough...gotta put some more points on the board." We thoroughly enjoyed it at my house. It really has been fun watching these games with my kids...they have absolutely no memory of a time when the Browns were a competitive football team.
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I suspect the Browns' game plan involves sending Stefanski to the Chiefs' facility to cough on things(and maybe Mahomes', Hill's and Kelce's houses).
That was fun last night. Sad when a team is up 35-10 at the half and their fans are (rightly) thinking, "That's not enough...gotta put some more points on the board." We thoroughly enjoyed it at my house. It really has been fun watching these games with my kids...they have absolutely no memory of a time when the Browns were a competitive football team.
I was texting during the game with one of my closest friends who is a diehard Browns fan. And hes not so much a defeatist with PTSD, but just watched them this year. Joe Woods, the Browns DC, had one of the most over the top passive "bend dont break" defensive mentalities ever this year. And it was very apparent through the season, even before last night. Browns routinely would get large leads, and then Woods dialed back any and all scheming and pressure to "not get beat". This resulted in teams stringing together tons of drives and momentum to get them back into the game, especially combined with Stefanski's tendency to get insanely conservative with leads in the second half. The Dallas game, the Tennessee game, a few others, featured the Browns jumping out to a lead and then turtling up and letting the opponent storm back.
Stefanski has done an incredible job this year in spite of it. Last night was remarkable too in the second half cause Big Ben has no arm, yet they refused to dare him to go long and let him have everything underneath which made it far closer than it ever should.
Its funny, the Browns won their first playoff game in ages, have a actual bright future instead of fools gold...but they still probably should fire their DC
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I was texting during the game with one of my closest friends who is a diehard Browns fan. And hes not so much a defeatist with PTSD, but just watched them this year. Joe Woods, the Browns DC, had one of the most over the top passive "bend dont break" defensive mentalities ever this year. And it was very apparent through the season, even before last night. Browns routinely would get large leads, and then Woods dialed back any and all scheming and pressure to "not get beat". This resulted in teams stringing together tons of drives and momentum to get them back into the game, especially combined with Stefanski's tendency to get insanely conservative with leads in the second half. The Dallas game, the Tennessee game, a few others, featured the Browns jumping out to a lead and then turtling up and letting the opponent storm back.
Stefanski has done an incredible job this year in spite of it. Last night was remarkable too in the second half cause Big Ben has no arm, yet they refused to dare him to go long and let him have everything underneath which made it far closer than it ever should.
Its funny, the Browns won their first playoff game in ages, have a actual bright future instead of fools gold...but they still probably should fire their DC
Yes, they do play scared and it's maddening as a fan. I can't tell you how many times I've yelled at the TV when the Browns run the ball or throw a six yard pass on 3rd and 15. Hopefully they'll have some much-needed confidence next year and play a little more aggressively.
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Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.
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Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.
Welp, I guess those that said this won't be an issue for Pederson when next season rolls around were correct after all.
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New potential Lions HC.
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Welp, I guess those that said this won't be an issue for Pederson when next season rolls around were correct after all.
<sky point>
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Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.
I was on the other side that said losing the locker room could mean losing his job. It was just an opinion and I still think it was a contributing factor, but I agree with you that it “may” not have been the biggest reason for the firing.
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I was on the other side that said losing the locker room could mean losing his job. It was just an opinion and I still think it was a contributing factor, but I agree with you that it “may” not have been the biggest reason for the firing.
Jay Glazer seems to think so.
Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Pederson was safe heading Into that Week 17 game versus Washington. Lot can happen in a week
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Jay Glazer seems to think so.
Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Pederson was safe heading Into that Week 17 game versus Washington. Lot can happen in a week
Hadn't seen that. Guess my original opinion was righter than I thought.
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Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.
Jets expected to reach out to him considering their General Manager's previous relationship with Pederson in Philadelphia.
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Jets expected to reach out to him considering their General Manager's previous relationship with Pederson in Philadelphia.
Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?
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Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?
As a Jets fan, this answer is a resounding NO for me.
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Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?
I'm not Philly fan so maybe someone can answer this for me. How much of Wentz's regression had to do with the injuries? ACL, back, concussions.
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Pederson lost the locker room. He had already lost Wentz (for better or worse). Some scoff at the “integrity of the game” angle, but I’ll bet it was a factor.
And then there’s the easily measurable stuff - 13-3 and SB champs in 2017 ... 9-7 and second round loss in 2018 ... 9-7 and first round loss in 2019 ... 4-11-1 embarrassment in 2020.
That’s not exactly a wonderful trend.
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Pederson lost the locker room. He had already lost Wentz (for better or worse). Some scoff at the “integrity of the game” angle, but I’ll bet it was a factor.
And then there’s the easily measurable stuff - 13-3 and SB champs in 2017 ... 9-7 and second round loss in 2018 ... 9-7 and first round loss in 2019 ... 4-11-1 embarrassment in 2020.
That’s not exactly a wonderful trend.
Where does it say he lost the locker room?
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Where does it say he lost the locker room?
Sometimes you have to accept the obvious.
Pulling Hurts, who may be the QB of the future (I'm not sold on that) to put in a guy who had no chance, didn't sit well with both offensive and defensive players who had played their hearts out.
A whole different story than when Nagy benched Trubisky and then benched Foles. Then it was obvious he did it for their exact opposite reason as Peterson. Nagy could still get fired (I doubt it), but it would strictly be based on the team's ineptitude and how they are at least as far from overtaking GB as they were 3 years ago.
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Where does it say he lost the locker room?
The players wrote a letter...
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The players wrote a letter...
Had that been the case, Eagles ownership would've rewarded Pederson by giving him an extension with a massive buyout.
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The players wrote a letter...
Didant no da Hausers played four da Eagles, hey?
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Where does it say he lost the locker room?
I said it. It's my opinion, based on numerous accounts I read. You're free to disagree. I'm thinking Lurie agrees, though.
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Bill Belichick declines Presidential Medal of Freedom.
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1348790788046680067?s=10
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The players wrote a letter...
Lol.
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Didant no da Hausers played four da Eagles, hey?
not since leaving MU
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Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.
It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.
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Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.
It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.
Do you think the problem is with Phillips or the McCaskey family?
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Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.
It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.
May be that they don't know what to do. May also be that they've decided to stand pat. They've already leaked that Nagy was expected to return for 2021. If they're not making any changes, don't expect a big announcement that they're not making changes.
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May be that they don't know what to do. May also be that they've decided to stand pat. They've already leaked that Nagy was expected to return for 2021. If they're not making any changes, don't expect a big announcement that they're not making changes.
With their season over, the NFL requires teams to hold year end press conferences within 8 days (I believe I have that right) of their season ending.
At this point, I don’t expect changes, but that’s a post on its own.
If they are standing pat, just say presser next Monday 10am. Them literally not even issuing that by now leads me to believe they have no idea what to do.
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Do you think the problem is with Phillips or the McCaskey family?
Phillips might as well be a McCaskey at this point. They gave him a board seat a while ago, he makes them money, and it’d be hard for them to let him go. He’ll retire soon enough as well.
Pure guess is there is a soft split in the family in how to proceed. It’s odd that they didn’t have decisions made weeks ago. Nobody seems to know anything, it all feels discombobulated. We’ll see.
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Maybe the answer is status quo.
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Phillips might as well be a McCaskey at this point. They gave him a board seat a while ago, he makes them money, and it’d be hard for them to let him go. He’ll retire soon enough as well.
Pure guess is there is a soft split in the family in how to proceed. It’s odd that they didn’t have decisions made weeks ago. Nobody seems to know anything, it all feels discombobulated. We’ll see.
Maybe they did have the decision made weeks ago, but the run to get them into the playoffs either made them change their mind, or say something like "it would be so unBears like to fire a playoff coach."
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Phillips might as well be a McCaskey at this point. They gave him a board seat a while ago, he makes them money, and it’d be hard for them to let him go. He’ll retire soon enough as well.
Pure guess is there is a soft split in the family in how to proceed. It’s odd that they didn’t have decisions made weeks ago. Nobody seems to know anything, it all feels discombobulated. We’ll see.
Yep. Phillips is more of a made man than the most loyal and secure made man in the mob. Dude is bulletproof, despite being utterly clueless on how to run a football team that wins.
As for the FO and end of season, when it comes to the Bears, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. They are likely confused and uncertain, and I’d be completely and utterly unsurprised if they do nothing. They are linear and simple enough to go “hey, we made the playoffs!” and ignore everything else, making this season a resounding success. If Trubisky is a Bear next year however, people need to show up at Halas Hall with pitchforks and torches
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Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.
It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.
A tough position to be in.
They have no QB for next year (Foles is not the answer) and Pace cannot be trusted to get one.
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Bears DC Chuck Pagano is retiring (or "retiring ").
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Bears DC Chuck Pagano is retiring (or "retiring ").
Twitter saying Pace and Nagy will stay through 2021.
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Twitter saying Pace and Nagy will stay through 2021.
Whoo Hoo!!!
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Confirmed by Schefter.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1349388315024351233
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Confirmed by Schefter.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1349388315024351233
"I was impressed with both of them."
That was probably a good time for McCaskey to say nothing at all.
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Not only are they staying McCaskey was “impressed with both of them” and he also said “Ryan and Matt are the people best able to lead us to success”...fire this family into the f-ing sun. I’m sure they are nice “classy” people but they are incompetence personified
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Not only are they staying McCaskey was “impressed with both of them” and he also said “Ryan and Matt are the people best able to lead us to success”...fire this family into the f-ing sun. I’m sure they are nice “classy” people but they are incompetence personified
Let me guess as to the actual reasons.
It's not "Bear-like"...they don't want to pay the buyouts....they like them as people.
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Let me guess as to the actual reasons.
It's not "Bear-like"...they don't want to pay the buyouts....they like them as people.
You’re probably dead on. Stinginess and the classic misguided kindness. It’s amazing how the McCaskeys get lauded for being classy and kind for actions which predominantly harm the actual purpose of a sports franchise
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Sorry, Bears fans.
You have no hope. Except of course, that they are good at collaborating. But really, how do you use a 6 game losing streak as an example of why they should stay.
They started the season with a huge gap between them and GB. That chasm has widened.
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I’ve been pleading for some time for an AFC team to move to Chicago.
Never more so than today.
That was the most tone deaf end of season presser you’ll ever see. In an absolute cutthroat league, the Bears are like a ma and pa shop selling CD Roms across the street from an Apple Store.
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The thing is, I am sure the Bears WANT to win. I think the idea that they just want to cash checks is misguided.
But they have no idea HOW to win. I'm sure that they look at successful franchises and see "stability," but don't have an understanding that "winning" causes stability....not vice versa.
It just reminds me a lot of the Packers of the 80s and early 90s. No concept of how the modern NFL works.
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The thing is, I am sure the Bears WANT to win. I think the idea that they just want to cash checks is misguided.
But they have no idea HOW to win. I'm sure that they look at successful franchises and see "stability," but don't have an understanding that "winning" causes stability....not vice versa.
It just reminds me a lot of the Packers of the 80s and early 90s. No concept of how the modern NFL works.
Dish made some great points and so do you. You are right - they want to win, but don't know how.
They have a GM whose choices for QBs have been Glennon, Trubisky, and Foles. THAT is the guy they want to choose the next QB. But a miss on a QB isn't like a miss on a guard. When - not if - he misses on another QB, that is a decision that hurts the team for 4-5 more years.
Tower's boys will be good before the Bears are.
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The Lions have won one playoff game in the Super Bowl era. Dead cinch lock da Bears win another playoff game before the Lions. Because the Lions are about to start Another ground-up rebuild.
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Sunday's game between the Browns and Steelers was the most watched primetime show since last year's super bowl. Imagine what the ratings would be on a GB-CLE super bowl.....
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Sunday's game between the Browns and Steelers was the most watched primetime show since last year's super bowl. Imagine what the ratings would be on a GB-CLE super bowl.....
Almost as much as a Rodgers - Mahomes matchup. ?-(
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I’ve been pleading for some time for an AFC team to move to Chicago.
Never more so than today.
That was the most tone deaf end of season presser you’ll ever see. In an absolute cutthroat league, the Bears are like a ma and pa shop selling CD Roms across the street from an Apple Store.
Always room for another Packers fan out there...
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I’ve been pleading for some time for an AFC team to move to Chicago.
Never more so than today.
That was the most tone deaf end of season presser you’ll ever see. In an absolute cutthroat league, the Bears are like a ma and pa shop selling CD Roms across the street from an Apple Store.
The Bears would never allow it, and I can't imagine why the NFL would even consider it. The league wants to be in more markets, not fewer.
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Always room for another Packers fan out there...
I just turned it around and imagined myself a Bears fan if the situation were reversed and I threw up in my mouth a little from disgust.
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Dish made some great points and so do you. You are right - they want to win, but don't know how.
They have a GM whose choices for QBs have been Glennon, Trubisky, and Foles. THAT is the guy they want to choose the next QB. But a miss on a QB isn't like a miss on a guard. When - not if - he misses on another QB, that is a decision that hurts the team for 4-5 more years.
Tower's boys will be good before the Bears are.
I don’t even think it’s “don’t know how”, I think that’s superseded by their polluted sense of “how” things should be done, and what should be valued. They are loyal to a fault, have no eye for football front office talent versus “nice people”, and still think “The Bear Way” is as profound and important as it was before Papa Bear died...40 damn years ago.
Glennon was a stop gap, who cares, that doesn’t bother me. Foles was actually not a terrible idea....but the price was wrong and deluded in its thinking this team was ready to win NOW.
More damning for me is, not just Trubisky, Pace has been a colossal disaster in early rounds. Since he’s been GM, in rounds 1-3, he has 5 picks who are no longer Bears, guys who are decent like Whitehair and James Daniels, and then 3 good players in Roquan, Miller, and Eddie Goldman. Kmet could be really good and Jaylon Johnson is TBD. But otherwise that’s terrible, not to mention 2 of 6 years they had ZERO 1st round picks. He’s been a drafting disaster, outside of a few gems later like Cohen and Eddie Jackson
The Bears would never allow it, and I can't imagine why the NFL would even consider it. The league wants to be in more markets, not fewer.
Then why did the NFL move a team from a top 30 market in San Diego to LA concurrently with another team? The Bills, Jaguars, or Bengals moving would be similar
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Then why did the NFL move a team from a top 30 market in San Diego to LA concurrently with another team? The Bills, Jaguars, or Bengals moving would be similar
Both San Diego, St. Louis and Oakland refused to use taxpayer money (or enough public money) to build new stadiums, not unlike Seattle with the NBA (and almost Milwaukee). LA is a large enough they can sustain two teams, with 4 million more people (12 million v. 8 million) than Chicago has.
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Then why did the NFL move a team from a top 30 market in San Diego to LA concurrently with another team? The Bills, Jaguars, or Bengals moving would be similar
1. Because San Diego wouldn't build a stadium.
2. Because the owner of the LA franchise wanted a second team for his stadium (think the Bears want a second team in their market?)
3. Because they hoped San Diego televisions would still tune in to watch the Chargers.
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Yeah getting two teams in LA was about making the stadium project more viable there. Twice as many dates. The only question was if it was going to be Chargers and Rams at current site or Rams and Raiders in Carson.
They will not be moving any teams to Chicago. I get the frustration, but the best thing to happen would be for the family to sell the team.
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I don’t even think it’s “don’t know how”, I think that’s superseded by their polluted sense of “how” things should be done, and what should be valued. They are loyal to a fault, have no eye for football front office talent versus “nice people”, and still think “The Bear Way” is as profound and important as it was before Papa Bear died...40 damn years ago.
I think we are just talking about 2 sides of the same coin, I have no problem with your characterization. So whether it is "don't know How" or just wrong ideas on "how", the result is the same.
Where I really think you nailed it is that they have no eye for front office football talent. That's where Fluffy's comparison of GB in the 70' and 80's hits home. They "thought" they were doing the right thing until finally they hired Wolf and it was plain to all just how bad the football people were.
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The Bears would never allow it, and I can't imagine why the NFL would even consider it. The league wants to be in more markets, not fewer.
It was a bad attempt at humor. Obviously you’re correct.
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I think we are just talking about 2 sides of the same coin, I have no problem with your characterization. So whether it is "don't know How" or just wrong ideas on "how", the result is the same.
Where I really think you nailed it is that they have no eye for front office football talent. That's where Fluffy's comparison of GB in the 70' and 80's hits home. They "thought" they were doing the right thing until finally they hired Wolf and it was plain to all just how bad the football people were.
The thing that turned it around for the Packers was the orginazational structure change when they brought in Bob Harlan. The team president and board no longer made football decisions and they gave that power to the GM, the first being Ron Wolf under that structure. Not familiar with the Bears situation but it sounds like a similar change needs to be made.
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The thing that turned it around for the Packers was the orginazational structure change when they brought in Bob Harlan. The team president and board no longer made football decisions and they gave that power to the GM, the first being Ron Wolf under that structure. Not familiar with the Bears situation but it sounds like a similar change needs to be made.
Actually the Bears structure is fine. Nagy reports to Pace who reports to Ted Philips. The problem is that Nagy is no Holmgren, Pace is no Wolf, and Philips is no Harlan.
And the structure change with the Packers was a little different than you remember. The Board stopped getting involved in personnel matters long before Harlan. Prior to him, the GM (Braatz) and the coach (Infante) both reported to the President (Parins). That structure still exists in some places today - in Kansas City and Seattle for instance. And while I would prefer the way the Packers are structured now, the biggest problem with Braatz, Infante and Parins were they were not very good at their jobs.
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Actually the Bears structure is fine. Nagy reports to Pace who reports to Ted Philips. The problem is that Nagy is no Holmgren, Pace is no Wolf, and Philips is no Harlan.
And the structure change with the Packers was a little different than you remember. The Board stopped getting involved in personnel matters long before Harlan. Prior to him, the GM (Braatz) and the coach (Infante) both reported to the President (Parins). That structure still exists in some places today - in Kansas City and Seattle for instance. And while I would prefer the way the Packers are structured now, the biggest problem with Braatz, Infante and Parins were they were not very good at their jobs.
I think that’s how Murphy changed it up. I believe both Lafleur and Gutey report to Murphy.
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I think that’s how Murphy changed it up. I believe both Lafleur and Gutey report to Murphy.
I thought they changed it when Thompson was outed and both Gutey and McCarthy were in place, but changed it back when LaFluer was hired. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Sounds like Urban Meyer to Jax is almost a thing.
I'll give him credit for trying, and he will get a franchise QB to start with. But this feels more like Steve Spurrier to Washington than Jimmy Johnson to Dallas.
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Jacksonville has 11 draft picks and $100 million in cap space.
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Jacksonville has 11 draft picks and $100 million in cap space.
Which leads me to believe I would rather want an experienced GM running things.
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I don't get the Urban Meyer fascination. His system works in college but looks like a bad fit for the pros. He also won't be able to out athlete the opposition in the pros.
I'd put Eric Bienemy at the top of my list. He helped developed Mahomes and learned from a very successful coach in Andy Reid. That's who I would want developing Trevor Lawrence.
As for the Bears, they remain my favorite comedy show. Bet they re-sign Trubisky on a short term deal. Something like 2 yrs, $25 million.
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Which leads me to believe I would rather want an experienced GM running things.
Yeah we'll see. While I don't have a big rooting interest in the situation, I hope Shad Khan does well. He's taken the long road to get into the NFL owner's club that didn't treat him all that well, (to put it nicely) going back to even before he had an agreement to buy the Stl Rams from Stan Kroenke. And then he didn't let having Kroenke pull the rug out the very last day he could stop his NFL ownership pursuits.
And he owns U.S. friendly Fulham. Challenging market in Jacksonville. We'll see what happens with Meyer and what they can or can't build.
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I don't get the Urban Meyer fascination. His system works in college but looks like a bad fit for the pros. He also won't be able to out athlete the opposition in the pros.
I'd put Eric Bienemy at the top of my list. He helped developed Mahomes and learned from a very successful coach in Andy Reid. That's who I would want developing Trevor Lawrence.
As for the Bears, they remain my favorite comedy show. Bet they re-sign Trubisky on a short term deal. Something like 2 yrs, $25 million.
I don’t know if Meyer will be successful in the NFL, I think he will struggle with a comparative lack of control compared to what you have in college.
However, let’s not run with this whole “he just had better athletes” thing. He took over a BG program that was 15-21 the previous 3 years, including 2-9 the year before, and promptly went 8-3 and 9-3. Utah was a middling Mountain West team who was 5-6 the prior year, Meyer had them 10-2 and 12-0 and playing in a New Years Day bowl immediately. Same with UF. They weren’t a dumpster fire when he got there, but they were just ok with Zook and he won’t a title within 2 seasons.
I can’t stand him, but the dude can coach, flat out. Will it work in the NFL? Not sure, but he’s not the football equivalent of “get studs and roll the ball out there”
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The Lions are hiring Rams Director of College Scouting, Brad Holmes, as their GM. This is the guy who made the move to get Aaron Donald. O'Brien was hit or miss (more miss) with the draft so I'm glad to see the Lions go this route.
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I'd put Eric Bienemy at the top of my list. He helped developed Mahomes and learned from a very successful coach in Andy Reid. That's who I would want developing Trevor Lawrence.
Wasn't this the Bears' rationale for hiring Nagy? He helped revive Alex Smith's career and was Mahomes' tutor through his rookie year in KC. Just the guy you'd want to develop a QB, supposedly.
I'm not pro- or anti-Bienemy, but plenty of teams have gone wrong hiring an Andy Reid offensive assistant (see also: Brad Childress, Pat Shurmur).
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Actually the Bears structure is fine. Nagy reports to Pace who reports to Ted Philips. The problem is that Nagy is no Holmgren, Pace is no Wolf, and Philips is no Harlan.
And the structure change with the Packers was a little different than you remember. The Board stopped getting involved in personnel matters long before Harlan. Prior to him, the GM (Braatz) and the coach (Infante) both reported to the President (Parins). That structure still exists in some places today - in Kansas City and Seattle for instance. And while I would prefer the way the Packers are structured now, the biggest problem with Braatz, Infante and Parins were they were not very good at their jobs.
The Board of Directors' involvement with the Packers ebbs and flows predicated on the strength of the people working in executive positions with the Packers and the quality of the team on the field. Back in the 1950s, the Board was heavily involved with the operation of the Packers. That stopped cold when one Vincent Thomas Lombardi showed up in Green Bay.
I believe both the Packers GM and Coach report directly to the CEO.
As to the Bears, the press conference yesterday was so full of crap, you had to duck when anyone sneezed. When you lose 22 of the last 27 games to your archrival; when you have not been reasonably competitive for a Lombardi in a decade; and, your last Super Bowl win was 35 years ago. your culture stinks. It rewards mediocrity. Simply put, it is crap. The McCaskeys can't do anything about it because you have too many shirttail relatives living off the Bears. Without payouts, those folks would be counter clerks at McDonalds.
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Wasn't this the Bears' rationale for hiring Nagy? He helped revive Alex Smith's career and was Mahomes' tutor through his rookie year in KC. Just the guy you'd want to develop a QB, supposedly.
I'm not pro- or anti-Bienemy, but plenty of teams have gone wrong hiring an Andy Reid offensive assistant (see also: Brad Childress, Pat Shurmur).
Childress just had culture issues. He had some pretty significant success there. And Shurmur had been all over the place, he got his first HC gig largely cause of what he did with the Rams, not so much under Reid.
Comparing Bieniemy to Nagy is unfair. One played in the NFL for a decade and then coached in the NFL under various HCs for a decade, plus stints at the P5 level in college including as an OC. The other had only been a position coach for 5 seasons before getting the Bears gig, and had literally only worked with and under Andy Reid
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cool story from Bobby Tonyan
https://sports.yahoo.com/green-bay-wrote-140108622.html
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Wasn't this the Bears' rationale for hiring Nagy? He helped revive Alex Smith's career and was Mahomes' tutor through his rookie year in KC. Just the guy you'd want to develop a QB, supposedly.
I'm not pro- or anti-Bienemy, but plenty of teams have gone wrong hiring an Andy Reid offensive assistant (see also: Brad Childress, Pat Shurmur).
Nagy was fine to hire. Since then we've learned his play calling stinks. I think Pace is more culpable for Trubisky, both for bad talent evaluation and not consulting with his coach at the time, John Fox.
Bienemy is highly regarded and plays a big role in KC's game plans. He might not be any better than Nagy, but I still would rather see him get a shot before Urban Meyer.
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I don’t know if Meyer will be successful in the NFL, I think he will struggle with a comparative lack of control compared to what you have in college.
However, let’s not run with this whole “he just had better athletes” thing. He took over a BG program that was 15-21 the previous 3 years, including 2-9 the year before, and promptly went 8-3 and 9-3. Utah was a middling Mountain West team who was 5-6 the prior year, Meyer had them 10-2 and 12-0 and playing in a New Years Day bowl immediately. Same with UF. They weren’t a dumpster fire when he got there, but they were just ok with Zook and he won’t a title within 2 seasons.
I can’t stand him, but the dude can coach, flat out. Will it work in the NFL? Not sure, but he’s not the football equivalent of “get studs and roll the ball out there”
Sure Meyer can coach at the college level. I don't see his system translating at the NFL level. His system relied heavily on dual threat QB, read options. That went out of vogue in the NFL years ago.
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Sure Meyer can coach at the college level. I don't see his system translating at the NFL level. His system relied heavily on dual threat QB, read options. That went out of vogue in the NFL years ago.
That’s totally fair and a valid concern I would share if I was a Jags fan. But that’s very different than your previous assertion that he just “out-athleted” his opponents cause he had stacked teams at OSU
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As the Bears fans wail and gnash their teeth about all of the failures of their playoff organization, the Lions have hired a new GM with no experience. Top point of his resume' is that he was the college talent evaluator for the Rams. Brad Holmes. I am sure you are all shaking in your LL Bean boots.
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As the Bears fans wail and gnash their teeth about all of the failures of their playoff organization, the Lions have hired a new GM with no experience. Top point of his resume' is that he was the college talent evaluator for the Rams. Brad Holmes. I am sure you are all shaking in your LL Bean boots.
You never know. I was gnashing my teeth when the Pack announced Gutekunst. I'd give him a positive grade so far.
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I like his references. I like the stories of his character and how his mind works. He is going from around #5 in the Rams heirarchy to the big chair. It may end up being genius. It certainly isn't a safe or experienced choice. 4th straight Detroit GM with no prior GM experience.
Which explains a lot.
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Sure Meyer can coach at the college level. I don't see his system translating at the NFL level. His system relied heavily on dual threat QB, read options. That went out of vogue in the NFL years ago.
...wut?
Have you seen the Ravens with Lamar?
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Sure Meyer can coach at the college level. I don't see his system translating at the NFL level. His system relied heavily on dual threat QB, read options. That went out of vogue in the NFL years ago.
Maybe Kaepernick finally gets another shot.
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Cam Newton was amazing out of the read option, and not all that long ago. In 2017, he ran for a career-high 754 yards and led the Panthers to an 11-5 record and the playoffs.
Hell, he ran for 592 yards for the Pats last year, some out of the read option, though that was partly (maybe even mostly) because his shoulder is string cheese and he can't throw it even 10 yards with zip any more.
Obviously, Newton was a freak -- so big, so fast, such a huge arm. And even he eventually got hurt because of all the pounding. But the read option can still work with the right QB and coach.
I mean ... Lamar Jackson. Hello.
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Urban Meyer going to the Jags is a good move. He will have the number one draft choice to work with, as well as 11 total draft choice and a huge amount of cap room for free agents.
Jacksonville is very much a Florida Gators town and bringing back an old college hero is certain to put fans in the seats.
Meyer has been a big winner everywhere . I am sure he will assemble a top notch coaching staff. His recruiting expertise will now extend to free agents.
Give him a couple of years and The Jags will be a team that can contend for the playoffs.
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Jacksonville is very much a Florida Gators town and bringing back an old college hero is certain to put fans in the seats.
I don't know....I'm friends with a good amount of Gator fans and to a T, they all hate Urban Meyer. I texted a couple of them about Urban to Jacksonville and they all think its hilarious...though to be fair they aren't Jag fans.
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Urban Meyer going to the Jags is a good move. He will have the number one draft choice to work with, as well as 11 total draft choice and a huge amount of cap room for free agents.
Jacksonville is very much a Florida Gators town and bringing back an old college hero is certain to put fans in the seats.
But do they love him in London?
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Urban Meyer going to the Jags is a good move. He will have the number one draft choice to work with, as well as 11 total draft choice and a huge amount of cap room for free agents.
Jacksonville is very much a Florida Gators town and bringing back an old college hero is certain to put fans in the seats.
Meyer has been a big winner everywhere . I am sure he will assemble a top notch coaching staff. His recruiting expertise will now extend to free agents.
Give him a couple of years and The Jags will be a team that can contend for the playoffs.
Contend for the playoffs? That’s not exactly a high bar to clear.
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Have Meyer’s health issues resolved, or was that just an excuse to bolt from tOSU?
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Have Meyer’s health issues resolved, or was that just an excuse to bolt from tOSU?
I think they are legit, easily used as an excuse, and not serious enough to overcome his desire to coach after he sits out for a couple of years.
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Contend for the playoffs? That’s not exactly a high bar to clear.
When you're the Jags, it's one step at a time!
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Arthur Smith is the new Atlanta Falcons Head Coach. He coached under four different head coaches with the Tennessee Titans this past decade.
https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/1350197483343900684?s=19
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I think they are legit, easily used as an excuse, and not serious enough to overcome his desire to coach after he sits out for a couple of years.
They were an excuse at Florida after getting found out by his family for chasing coeds. And at OSU there was the Ryan Smith coverup.
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My niece is dating the author of this story. Side note: he's employed by MU.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/care-one-another-go-pack-my-familys-packer-story-john-knapp?fbclid=IwAR05OV8kvaYFRzD0fXNKLgrICzMmAPXJN10_4wPrZHooF0mlUkiRKmqf9xY
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Pack looking great
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Arthur Smith is the new Atlanta Falcons Head Coach. He coached under four different head coaches with the Tennessee Titans this past decade.
https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/1350197483343900684?s=19
He’s a good offensive mind, but his pops likely was the reason he survived every coaching purge in Nashville. It’s not the main story with him, but it’s no coincidence that his NFL career has been with the two franchises that FedEx is closely connected to
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Pack looking great
Just completely dominated in the trenches.
There’s nothing better than winning the very first game in a Playoff weekend and then just getting to sit back and relax watching the rest of the games.
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Helluva game, just dominated. Rodgers scooping up the loose ball was massive.
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Helluva game, just dominated. Rodgers scooping up the loose ball was massive.
That's why he's the BOAT
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Side note, anyone have an update on Pam Oliver? She looked really concerning with that speech slurring all over the place and then we didn’t hear from here again. People were saying “she was just cold” on Twitter which is silly for seasoned professional in 30-35 degree weather, it’s not exactly the Ice Bowl
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The Rams had 1 Rec for -3 yards on passes where Jaire was the nearest defender. Jalen who?
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Side note, anyone have an update on Pam Oliver? She looked really concerning with that speech slurring all over the place and then we didn’t hear from here again. People were saying “she was just cold” on Twitter which is silly for seasoned professional in 30-35 degree weather, it’s not exactly the Ice Bowl
Sounded like she was drunk or having a stroke. She did the post game interview with Rodgers it's really not that cold
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Sounded like she was drunk or having a stroke. She did the post game interview with Rodgers it's really not that cold
I said to my wife that someone hit the bottle at halftime.
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The Rams had 1 Rec for -3 yards on passes where Jaire was the nearest defender. Jalen who?
“Jaire Island”.
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Side note, anyone have an update on Pam Oliver? She looked really concerning with that speech slurring all over the place and then we didn’t hear from here again. People were saying “she was just cold” on Twitter which is silly for seasoned professional in 30-35 degree weather, it’s not exactly the Ice Bowl
My wife thinks she overdid the Botox.
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Sounded like she was drunk or having a stroke. She did the post game interview with Rodgers it's really not that cold
From November, 2017 on Reddit:
She could barely speak, finished half a report, and then we never heard from her again. It sounded like she was having a medical issue or was whacked out on drugs.
I didn’t realize she is turning 60.
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My wife thinks she overdid the Botox.
I think this is it. She sounded the same way last week.
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nice f in game
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Helluva game, just dominated. Rodgers scooping up the loose ball was massive.
They have that feel, dont want to jinx them but wow. That was against the number 1 defense and they still left plays on the field. Rodgers missed some throws.
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Side note, anyone have an update on Pam Oliver? She looked really concerning with that speech slurring all over the place and then we didn’t hear from here again. People were saying “she was just cold” on Twitter which is silly for seasoned professional in 30-35 degree weather, it’s not exactly the Ice Bowl
She suffers from debilitating migraines. Could have been the issue:
https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/fox-sports-oliver-shares-story-of-migraines/WPHAJP33QZGB5C42HNSR5PZJF4/
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They have that feel, dont want to jinx them but wow. That was against the number 1 defense and they still left plays on the field. Rodgers missed some throws.
Same feel as 2010-11.
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There wasn’t a 2020-20201 KC Chiefs in 2010-2011.
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This Ravens-Bills game seemed really promising...might be the worst game of the playoffs so far. Josh Allen has been trash, Bills have bottled up Lamar, and 3 missed FGs in the first 20 min. Playoff football!
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By the way, the play the Rams ran on the 2 point conversion was an incredible design.
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By the way, the play the Rams ran on the 2 point conversion was an incredible design.
It was very creative. Hope Packers noticed.
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It was very creative. Hope Packers noticed.
Copycat league.
The Rams ran a similar play in 2017 when Matt LaFleur was the OC for the Rams. He's aware:
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1350590847943798784?s=19
Miami also ran the same play this season:
https://twitter.com/NFLBrasil/status/1340754915682082816?s=19
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They have that feel, dont want to jinx them but wow. That was against the number 1 defense and they still left plays on the field. Rodgers missed some throws.
They definitely left plays on the field- Lazard’s drop, Rodgers missing MVS along the sideline that probably would have gone for 6. But they are as impressive offensively as I’ve seen any Packers team. Their running game is unstoppable. Play calling is innovative and unpredictable. Defensively, their pass rush is fierce with the Smith bros., Gary, and Clark. They have a shutdown corner in Alexander. Everything does feel right.
Far from a done deal of course. Last year, I thought sure SF was the best team for several weeks, only for it to all apart for them in one quarter. We shall see.
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Helluva game, just dominated. Rodgers scooping up the loose ball was massive.
That was near disaster and could have changed everything completely. Was still a one score game at the time. Quickly forgotten after the gorgeous play action TD to Lazard just a few plays later.
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Congrats to all Packers fans. Team looks really, really good.
Always fun to win a doubleheader!
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Ouch.
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End zone touchback, for my money, is the worst and stupidest rule in the NFL. No matter the game or scenario, it’s always trash.
Speaking of trash, NFL kickers this weekend, my god. Tucker and Butker are both studs and they’ve looked like Sun Belt freshman kickers
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Mahomes concussed? This could get interesting.
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End zone touchback, for my money, is the worst and stupidest rule in the NFL. No matter the game or scenario, it’s always trash.
Speaking of trash, NFL kickers this weekend, my god. Tucker and Butker are both studs and they’ve looked like Sun Belt freshman kickers
Stupid rule? Maybe, but everyone knows the rule. It was a horrific mistake.
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Browns with some really poor coaching. Not going for 2 and also not challenging that chiefs catch last drive.
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Browns with some really poor coaching. Not going for 2 and also not challenging that chiefs catch last drive.
And now they challenge a clear catch. What the hell.
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And now they challenge a clear catch. What the hell.
They had to screw up to make up for their earlier screwup. :-\
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And now they challenge a clear catch. What the hell.
I think Romo’s explanation made sense.
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Nice pass, Chad. I could miss a guy by 7 yards.
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I think Romo’s explanation made sense.
That’s why you have a person to let the head coach know whether to challenge. It was an impulsive screwup by Stefanski
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I think Romo’s explanation made sense.
No excuse you have to look at that in the booth. They have people just to do that.
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Inexcusable 2nd timeout.
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Inexcusable 2nd timeout.
Be nice to have those time outs now.
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Stefanski really phoning it in now
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That first half Browns fumble looking real big now.
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That’s why you have a person to let the head coach know whether to challenge. It was an impulsive screwup by Stefanski
Well the booth guy missed the first one...
The play calling is a worse problem than that challenge.
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Well the booth guy missed the first one...
The play calling is a worse problem than that challenge.
Agree on play calling. Not running the ball more in first half a big mistake
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Mahomes concussion could be really interesting if they hold on. Would be shocked if they don’t magically clear him for next weekend though.
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How in the world?
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Well the booth guy missed the first one...
The play calling is a worse problem than that challenge.
First one may be excusable as KC ran to the line and snapped the ball real fast. But on the second one, you can’t give up a timeout on a play you can’t see.
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Rope a dope on 4th and inches.
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Gutsy f’in call
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Mahomes concussion could be really interesting if they hold on. Would be shocked if they don’t magically clear him for next weekend though.
Not sure of the concussion protocol but I think it is an independent Dr not associated with the team that makes the call.
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Not sure of the concussion protocol but I think it is an independent Dr not associated with the team that makes the call.
Maybe for an average player or during the regular season.
But Mahomes in the playoffs? Lots of influence will be had over the decision to let him play again
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Maybe for an average player or during the regular season.
But Mahomes in the playoffs? Lots of influence will be had over the decision to let him play again
Agreed. There isn't such thing as an "independent" doctor in this case. I'd be shocked if he isn't playing next week.
If he isn't, its because he can't see straight still. If he is physically capable of playing, the doctor is going to clear him even if he doesn't pass concussion protocol.
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Maybe for an average player or during the regular season.
But Mahomes in the playoffs? Lots of influence will be had over the decision to let him play again
Incredibly irresponsible to risk this guys career and quality of life IF he isn't ready to go. It will be interesting.
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Mahomes looked bad bad stumbling after that hit. Kinda rare cameras catch a player looking that out of it, multiplied by 50 in a playoff game, multiplied by another 100 being the reigning NFL MVP.
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Welp, the battle of HOF QBs...is looking pretty awful so far.
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Incredibly irresponsible to risk this guys career and quality of life IF he isn't ready to go. It will be interesting.
You're not wrong, of course.
But the NFL has consistently risked life/career of players
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Or maybe if he plays, he’s actually cleared protocol.
Gotta love pre-emptive conspiracies.
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Cmon Sultan ... NFL conspiracies are real! That’s why the Jets play the Giants in the Super Bowl every year!
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Or maybe if he plays, he’s actually cleared protocol.
Gotta love pre-emptive conspiracies.
That's why I said "IF" . It's rare someone with a concussion like that plays the following week. Every one is different of course and we really dont know how he will progress. The hit didn't look bad, but his reaction did.
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Great call by Payton. Great execution by Saints.
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Mahomes concussion could be really interesting if they hold on. Would be shocked if they don’t magically clear him for next weekend though.
They better get some of Russell Wilson’s magic concussion clearing water to KC, stat.
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This game is awful
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This game is awful
These quarterbacks look old.
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These quarterbacks look old.
They sure do. Best throw of the 1st half was by Jameis Winston.
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Bucs have 14 pts off the Saints two TO's. Thats why this game is tied.
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I think it’s funny watching guys on the sidelines calling plays. They are wearing masks, but still hold the play lists in front of their faces.
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Brees doesn’t look like he can throw the ball 20 yards downfield.
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Brees certainly looks ready to retire.
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Brees doesn’t look like he can throw the ball 20 yards downfield.
Puss arm. Brady at least still has a little zip.
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Been a hell of a run but yeah, Brees definitely looks shot.
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Tampa is daring Brees to beat them deep. Probably not a coinvidence that the only deep ball was a gadget thrown by Winston.
Brees started the year not throwing deep. Started pushing it and then got hurt. Does he try another season?
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That was a helluva catch by Johnson!
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Tampa is daring Brees to beat them deep. Probably not a coinvidence that the only deep ball was a gadget thrown by Winston.
Brees started the year not throwing deep. Started pushing it and then got hurt. Does he try another season?
He has a big cap number next year. I wonder if Payton will be ready to move on.
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Brees is finished.
Dude is taking himself out to pasture
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He has a big cap number next year. I wonder if Payton will be ready to move on.
There have been a handful of reporters saying he’s going to retire, but nothing from the horse’s mouth yet. This is really rough though.
I wonder if Taysom Hill would be playing right now if he was active.
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He has a big cap number next year. I wonder if Payton will be ready to move on.
Jay Glazer reporting Brees is retiring after the season. This game showing it’s time.
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Alright this is just sad
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This is why as a Packer fan I wanted to play the Saints.
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Brees probably gone. Three home playoff losses and tonight throws for 130 and 3 picks.
Lots of QB changes in off season:
Brees
Newton
Watson
Darnold
Philadelphia situation
Miami trading for Watson, Tua leaving
Jets trading for Watson
Trevor Lawerence
Carolina?
Indy with Philip Rivers
Steelers with Ben, do they pay him 41 million
Bears?
Dallas with Prescott contract issues
SF, happy with Garrofolo, no
Just read LA Rams coach unhappy with Goff
Washington Football Team
Crazy.....
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This is why as a Packer fan I wanted to play the Saints.
Agreed...but Brady looked pretty mortal tonight too. I like the Pack's chances.
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Brees obviously had a great career, but he is not even in the same universe as Brady.
I'd be stunned if the Packers don't win next week.
Chiefs with Mahomes edge the Bills in a thriller. Chiefs without Mahomes lose.
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Agreed...but Brady looked pretty mortal tonight too. I like the Pack's chances.
I agree. Especially if the weather forecast holds out with cold and snow on Sunday.
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Gutsy f’in call
Incredibly gutsy, really. I mean, even if Reid had Mahomes, it would have been gutsy. The fact that Reid had a little-used retread whose end-zone interception kept KC from scoring on the previous possession ... wow, what guts.
I wouldn't be surprised if analytics said going for it there was the right move ... but had that pass fallen incomplete, it would have turned the ball over to Cleveland in KC territory with a minute to play. Had the Browns won, Reid would have been ripped for that decision for the rest of his career - just as Pete Carrol and his OC are still being ripped for the end-zone pass that got intercepted in the Super Bowl.
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Brees obviously had a great career, but he is not even in the same universe as Brady.
I'd be stunned if the Packers don't win next week.
Chiefs with Mahomes edge the Bills in a thriller. Chiefs without Mahomes lose.
Definitely more worried about Brady than I was about Brees. Brady is capable of being a game manager... Brees clearly no longer is.
All of that said, it took 3 turnovers to produce 21 Tampa points and another one to seal it. One of those was on Tampa's side of the field (it was on the 48). Rodgers was killed by uncharacteristic turnovers that changed the early complexion of the first matchup.
Don't turn the ball over and I think GB wins
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Definitely more worried about Brady than I was about Brees. Brady is capable of being a game manager... Brees clearly no longer is.
All of that said, it took 3 turnovers to produce 21 Tampa points and another one to seal it. One of those was on Tampa's side of the field (it was on the 48). Rodgers was killed by uncharacteristic turnovers that changed the early complexion of the first matchup.
Don't turn the ball over and I think GB wins
That’s what I was telling a friend last night. People were falling all over Brady after the game. He was fine, but he had less than 200 yards, barely had a 50% completion percentage and only orchestrated one substantial scoring drive. Otherwise a very opportunistic Bucs defense really changed the game. If GB pressures Brady (he’s seemed pretty uncomfortable in the pocket all year) and takes care of the ball, feels like they will cruise
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Lol they’ve already changed Mahomes’ injury to a “tweaked neck nerve”. He never got a concussion.
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Lol they’ve already changed Mahomes’ injury to a “tweaked neck nerve”. He never got a concussion.
It’s not the league or team that determines if something is a concussion. Its an independent medical professional.
Let the conspiracy theories begin.
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Nowhere in what I said about Brady was I claiming that Brady is still a great QB. He most definitely is not. There are several QBs I'd take ahead of him. Rodgers is so much better than Brady at this point that it's not a fair fight.
I said, "Brees obviously had a great career, but he is not even in the same universe as Brady."
Brees has produced one championship despite being on a lot of talented and well-coached teams. And he has been on the wrong end of a lot of playoff disappointment, some beyond his control but some he certainly had a part in.
In addition to all that regular-season winning, Brady has had an insane amount of postseason success, and he has engineered some incredible moments.
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I said, "Brees obviously had a great career, but he is not even in the same universe as Brady."
I agree with this.
In terms of the basic mechanics - throwing the ball from point A to point B - Brees has been every bit as good as Brady. But in terms of calmly leading the team and making the right decisions at crucial times, Brady has always been light years ahead of Brees. Given that they have both declined physically in recent years, this difference is more noticeable now than ever.
Fortunately for us Packers fans, Rodgers is still excellent physically, and is at least in the same league as Brady in terms of leadership and decision making. All of which gives the Pack a definite edge Sunday.
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Rodgers has been the best QB in the NFL for a number of years, and, IMO, it hasn't been close. Especially when you consider the makeup of the roster around him.
Mahomes is good, but his weapons are better than the Pack.
Wilson is good, but ditto weapons.
Brady had worse weapons in NE, but better coaching staff. And I still don't believe Tom could win very many games on his own. Plus the NE defense was usually much better than GB.
Brees has always had weapons in NO and generally better defenses.
Maybe Manning in his prime at Indy is the last true competition to Rodgers?
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If GB pressures Brady (he’s seemed pretty uncomfortable in the pocket all year) and takes care of the ball, feels like they will cruise
That's what worries me... GB's pass rush isn't very good.
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Rodgers has been the best QB in the NFL for a number of years, and, IMO, it hasn't been close. Especially when you consider the makeup of the roster around him.
Mahomes is good, but his weapons are better than the Pack.
You are insanely underselling Mahomes. Maybe a younger Rodgers, but Mahomes makes some absolutely preposterous plays that nobody, even Rodgers, is making right now. And I’m on record saying I think Rodgers is the best to ever play the position.
Also, Rodgers has Jones, who is better than every RB KC has had since Hunt was waived. Also Davante Adams is as good as Hill. Yes Mahomes has Kelce, but the rest of his WRs are speedy guys who are made useful by the scheme. Hardman and Robinson wouldn’t go set the world on fire elsewhere. Mahomes has a slight talent edge, but that’s certainly not the reason he’s thought of as better to Rodgers right now, that’s just silly
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Rodgers once had a stable of receivers that were the envy of the league in Driver, Jennings and Nelson. And Jones, Finley and Cobb weren't stiffs either.
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Rodgers once had a stable of receivers that were the envy of the league in Driver, Jennings and Nelson. And Jones, Finley and Cobb weren't stiffs either.
It’s a knee-jerk Packers fandom response to always protect the QB, whether 4 or 12. Rodgers has had plenty of weapons and good offensive lines while in GB.
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You are insanely underselling Mahomes. Maybe a younger Rodgers, but Mahomes makes some absolutely preposterous plays that nobody, even Rodgers, is making right now. And I’m on record saying I think Rodgers is the best to ever play the position.
Also, Rodgers has Jones, who is better than every RB KC has had since Hunt was waived. Also Davante Adams is as good as Hill. Yes Mahomes has Kelce, but the rest of his WRs are speedy guys who are made useful by the scheme. Hardman and Robinson wouldn’t go set the world on fire elsewhere. Mahomes has a slight talent edge, but that’s certainly not the reason he’s thought of as better to Rodgers right now, that’s just silly
Saying Davante Adams is as good as Hill is absurd. Davante is the best WR in the NFL.
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Lol they’ve already changed Mahomes’ injury to a “tweaked neck nerve”. He never got a concussion.
Where do you see that? I’m seeing he’s still in the concussion protocol.
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Saying Davante Adams is as good as Hill is absurd. Davante is the best WR in the NFL.
I was trying to be conservative to not completely derail that argument, cause it made it seem like Rodgers was throwing to bums and Mahomes had all the weapons. Adams is a way better WR, Hill is just insanely fast.
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Where do you see that? I’m seeing he’s still in the concussion protocol.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/)
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I am loving the video of Brees and Brady post game, with Brady throwing a pass to Brees' kids.
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I am loving the video of Brees and Brady post game, with Brady throwing a pass to Brees' kids.
The look back as Brees heads into the tunnel gets me every time.
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Lol they’ve already changed Mahomes’ injury to a “tweaked neck nerve”. He never got a concussion.
I’m not a doctor but it didn’t appear that Mahomes was really hit in the head on the play he was injured. It looked more like a neck injury to me.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/)
OK, I have no reason to doubt that wasn't the case.
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Are the Packers really only -3.5?
I haven’t bet on an NFL game in a long time, but that is soooo tempting.
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I’m not a doctor but it didn’t appear that Mahomes was really hit in the head on the play he was injured. It looked more like a neck injury to me.
Agreed. I kept watching to see where the concussion could have occurred. It wasn’t anything like Lamar Jackson. But his actions upon getting up screamed “concussion.”
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30736432/patrick-mahomes-nfl-concussion-protocol-needs-happen-chiefs-star-play-bills
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Are the Packers really only -3.5?
I haven’t bet on an NFL game in a long time, but that is soooo tempting.
Two reasons:
1) Brady
2) TB beat GB by four touchdowns earlier in the season.
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Agreed. I kept watching to see where the concussion could have occurred. It wasn’t anything like Lamar Jackson. But his actions upon getting up screamed “concussion.”
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30736432/patrick-mahomes-nfl-concussion-protocol-needs-happen-chiefs-star-play-bills
A buddy of mine is a former high level wrestler who has done a lot of Muy Thai and grappling in his adult years. He said he’s had a pinched nerve similar to what is being described and if you get get any of those nerves tweaked, it’s very disorienting/immediately light headed and you lose your legs, which would check out
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A buddy of mine is a former high level wrestler who has done a lot of Muy Thai and grappling in his adult years. He said he’s had a pinched nerve similar to what is being described and if you get get any of those nerves tweaked, it’s very disorienting/immediately light headed and you lose your legs, which would check out
He looked like counter customers on a Saturday night at Real Chili.
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Two reasons:
1) Brady
2) TB beat GB by four touchdowns earlier in the season.
Those reasons seem, well, reasonable.
But they also make the Pack a pretty attractive bet IMHO.
I mean, New Orleans had beaten Tampa twice, and that meant a whole lotta nuthin' Sunday.
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Those reasons seem, well, reasonable.
But they also make the Pack a pretty attractive bet IMHO.
I mean, New Orleans had beaten Tampa twice, and that meant a whole lotta nuthin' Sunday.
Agree.
I have never before bet on sports (other than informal bets with friends and March Madness brackets), but this one has me tempted.
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Those reasons seem, well, reasonable.
But they also make the Pack a pretty attractive bet IMHO.
I mean, New Orleans had beaten Tampa twice, and that meant a whole lotta nuthin' Sunday.
Yeah, I'm not predicting the outcome or whether it is a good bet or bad bet, just the reasons the line is closer than many people seem to expect the outcome to be.
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Agree.
I have never before bet on sports (other than informal bets with friends and March Madness brackets), but this one has me tempted.
Uh-oh ... now I’m thinking it’s a sucker bet, with guys like us being set up!
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Uh-oh ... now I’m thinking it’s a sucker bet, with guys like us being set up!
Damn, those guys in Vegas are devious....
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Two reasons:
1) Brady
2) TB beat GB by four touchdowns earlier in the season.
I think this should be replaced with.
1) TB is dominant in the trenches. That is how you win games.
2) TB bet GB by four touchdowns earlier in the season.
If you look throughout Brady's career (and most other elite QBs). They win when their offensive line can dominate the line of scrimmage and give their QB time, and their RBs lanes to run in. Couple that with a D-line that can rush 3 and put pressure on the opposing QB and you win games.
You don't have that, and suddenly your "elite" QB starts to look a lot more average.
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I think this should be replaced with.
1) TB is dominant in the trenches. That is how you win games.
2) TB bet GB by four touchdowns earlier in the season.
If you look throughout Brady's career (and most other elite QBs). They win when their offensive line can dominate the line of scrimmage and give their QB time, and their RBs lanes to run in. Couple that with a D-line that can rush 3 and put pressure on the opposing QB and you win games.
You don't have that, and suddenly your "elite" QB starts to look a lot more average.
That’s the part that worries me most about this game. If we can generate a pass rush, we should be good. That’s a pretty big if.
I’m hoping the cold impacts the Bucs, but obviously Brady has experience in the cold. That’s why I was hoping for the Saints. The change from indoor/turf always seems to give them problems. That and Brady definitely has much more left than Brees.
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That’s the part that worries me most about this game. If we can generate a pass rush, we should be good. That’s a pretty big if.
I’m hoping the cold impacts the Bucs, but obviously Brady has experience in the cold. That’s why I was hoping for the Saints. The change from indoor/turf always seems to give them problems. That and Brady definitely has much more left than Brees.
The first game between Bucs and Packers has about as much meaning as the first game between Tampa and Saints. For whatever reason, Rodgers was not right in that game. It is unlikely that will happen again and extremely unlikely he will throw a pick six and another almost pick six.
Brady isn’t used to the cold. He is acclimated to the warm weather now. I don’t necessarily buy into weather angle, but coming from 80 degrees, the 25 degree temperature is going to feel much colder for Tampa than it will for Packers.
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The first game between Bucs and Packers has about as much meaning as the first game between Tampa and Saints. For whatever reason, Rodgers was not right in that game. It is unlikely that will happen again and extremely unlikely he will throw a pick six and another almost pick six.
Brady isn’t used to the cold. He is acclimated to the warm weather now. I don’t necessarily buy into weather angle, but coming from 80 degrees, the 25 degree temperature is going to feel much colder for Tampa than it will for Packers.
Brady spent his entire career in New England. I doubt he forgot how to handle the cold
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Brady spent his entire career in New England. I doubt he forgot how to handle the cold
Sure, he knows “how” to play in it and how to prepare for it, but playing in New England a year ago does nothing for how it is going to feel for him now. If you live in a cold climate how does 50 degrees feel in September vs how it feels in late January. The body acclimates, it isn’t that hard to figure out.
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Brady spent his entire career in New England. I doubt he forgot how to handle the cold
It’s not handling the cold mentally as much as his body not being equipped for it. He’s 44, he’s looked stiff at times this year. He was not great down the stretch last year in NE in the colder months. And now he’s spent a year, and a full season playing in warm temps. He had 1 game under 50 degrees all seasons. I think it’s a valid point. Same would have held true for Brees.
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In Chicago we called it "Bears Weather", which all worked in '85 when Lake Michigan gusts caused Sean Landetta miss on a punt attempt. Otherwise warm weather teams came into Chicago and beat the Bears in the playoffs.
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The Buccaneers are 1-17 all-time when temp is 32 degrees or below. And Packer fans need to worry about special teams.
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It’s not handling the cold mentally as much as his body not being equipped for it. He’s 44, he’s looked stiff at times this year. He was not great down the stretch last year in NE in the colder months. And now he’s spent a year, and a full season playing in warm temps. He had 1 game under 50 degrees all seasons. I think it’s a valid point. Same would have held true for Brees.
If the Packers don’t get a pass rush on him, he’ll be fine. Whatever team hits the qb the most will win
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It's not the cold that's going to be the only issue. If the snow in the forecast holds up, it's going to make the surface slick. That is an environment that the Packers play in regularly and one Tampa does not. It will mitigate Tampa's speed advantage, and help the Packer receivers.
That being said, the biggest factors are going to be what they usually are - limiting turnovers on offense, creating negative plays on defense, etc.
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And I think the Packer's pass rush is largely fine. They tend to play a pretty bend, but don't break defense. But late in games when they need to make stops or make a big sack, they generally can get pressure when they need to.
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Great piece on Pam Oliver, a pioneer for Women of Color in the game:
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/foxs-pam-oliver-is-a-pioneer-and-she-has-scars-and-respect-to-prove-it-060550995.html?__twitter_impression=true
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It’s not handling the cold mentally as much as his body not being equipped for it. He’s 44, he’s looked stiff at times this year. He was not great down the stretch last year in NE in the colder months. And now he’s spent a year, and a full season playing in warm temps. He had 1 game under 50 degrees all seasons. I think it’s a valid point. Same would have held true for Brees.
I remember against the Giants in the NFC Championship, you could tell Favre was not comfortable in the cold. I think in poor conditions, Rodgers stats are absurdly good compared to others.
Should be a fun one.
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I remember against the Giants in the NFC Championship, you could tell Favre was not comfortable in the cold. I think in poor conditions, Rodgers stats are absurdly good compared to others.
Should be a fun one.
Yes exactly. Just being cold isn't helpful at all. But mid 20 and sloppy definitely benefits Rodgers. Cold for Tampa. Not really cold for Green Bay.
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It’s not handling the cold mentally as much as his body not being equipped for it. He’s 44, he’s looked stiff at times this year. He was not great down the stretch last year in NE in the colder months. And now he’s spent a year, and a full season playing in warm temps. He had 1 game under 50 degrees all seasons. I think it’s a valid point. Same would have held true for Brees.
Yup, Favre looked miserable in the cold his last 2 years in GB, that playoff game against the Giants comes to mind.
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I remember against the Giants in the NFC Championship, you could tell Favre was not comfortable in the cold. I think in poor conditions, Rodgers stats are absurdly good compared to others.
Should be a fun one.
That playoff game you mentioned is an example where the cold definitely made a difference. It clearly affected Favre, it didn’t seem to bother Manning or Plexi glass Burress. Favre also had a miserable game in a cold windy Chicago one year.
To Sultan’s point, its not so much the cold, but how the conditions affects each teams strengths.
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In Chicago we called it "Bears Weather", which all worked in '85 when Lake Michigan gusts caused Sean Landetta miss on a punt attempt. Otherwise warm weather teams came into Chicago and beat the Bears in the playoffs.
Amazing how much Bear Weather helped one of the greatest teams of all-time and seemed less helpful when the Bears were, um, not one of the greatest teams of all-time.
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Great piece on Pam Oliver, a pioneer for Women of Color in the game:
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/foxs-pam-oliver-is-a-pioneer-and-she-has-scars-and-respect-to-prove-it-060550995.html?__twitter_impression=true
The article is a year old?
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Still wondering what is going on with Watson wanting to be traded. After trudging through all the muck, it seems like Watson is giving an ultimatum to the Owner - make a choice, it either me or Easterby. He’s gotta go or I want out of Houston. Now it is up to McNair.
If Houwarrior is around, his opinion would mean a lot.
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Would love to see the Panthers get Watson, but I don’t think they have enough to offer!
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The article is a year old?
Yes, it is. Someone sent it to me. First time I saw it. Good piece.
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Would love to see the Panthers get Watson, but I don’t think they have enough to offer!
Fore season tix ta Hornets games oughta due it, hey?
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Yes, it is. Someone sent it to me. First time I saw it. Good piece.
Woke or woke up, hey?
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Congrats to Sarah Thomas for being named a part of this year's Super Bowl Officiating Crew as Down Judge:
https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1351606371389763590?s=19
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Stafford for Watson?
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Still wondering what is going on with Watson wanting to be traded. After trudging through all the muck, it seems like Watson is giving an ultimatum to the Owner - make a choice, it either me or Easterby. He’s gotta go or I want out of Houston. Now it is up to McNair.
If Houwarrior is around, his opinion would mean a lot.
Don't offer a guy input, then not even bother to seek it and listen to the doofus who was part of the problem.
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Don't offer a guy input, then not even bother to seek it and listen to the doofus who was part of the problem.
You're right, it seems to all go back to Easterby.
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You're right, it seems to all go back to Easterby.
I mean, why keep that guy around? It makes no sense.
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Congrats to Sarah Thomas for being named a part of this year's Super Bowl Officiating Crew as Down Judge:
https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1351606371389763590?s=19
Awesome!
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Congrats to Sarah Thomas for being named a part of this year's Super Bowl Officiating Crew as Down Judge:
https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1351606371389763590?s=19
How cool - I was pretty excited to read about this today.
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I mean, why keep that guy around? It makes no sense.
Why did Czar Nicolas keep Rasputin around? Who knows?
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Why did Czar Nicolas keep Rasputin around? Who knows?
Did he really have a choice?
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Did he really have a choice?
the first 6 times? no, clearly not. the 7th time? absolutely!
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the first 6 times? no, clearly not. the 7th time? absolutely!
;D
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My question was rhetorical - but I enjoyed the responses.
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So, apparently Colin Cowherd thinks that the NFL should delay the Chiefs-Bills game until Mahomes is cleared to play (https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1351579818769473540?s=20). What a mind-numbingly stupid take.
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Colin Cowherd? Stupid takes? That phrase has never been used in conjunction with that name before. :o
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Colin Cowherd? Stupid takes? That phrase has never been used in conjunction with that name before. :o
Absolutely fair point. But this is stupid even when grading on the Cowherd Curve.
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So, apparently Colin Cowherd thinks that the NFL should delay the Chiefs-Bills game until Mahomes is cleared to play (https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1351579818769473540?s=20). What a mind-numbingly stupid take.
The dude is a freaking idiot. I stopped paying attention to him a few years back. This is a reminder why.
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Absolutely fair point. But this is stupid even when grading on the Cowherd Curve.
Nah, not really. Cowherd, Bayliss, etc. and paid good money to come up with the most ridiculous takes, the ones that will get people talking about them. They aren't intended to be well thought out, smart, or accurate, just as outrageous as possible.
Mission accomplished.
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Nah, not really. Cowherd, Bayliss, etc. and paid good money to come up with the most ridiculous takes, the ones that will get people talking about them. They aren't intended to be well thought out, smart, or accurate, just as outrageous as possible.
Mission accomplished.
How do you get that job exactly? Get paid a small fortune, to not think, but just blurt out the most absurd thoughts.
I'm pretty sure I'm qualified for that, where can I sign up?
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Nah, not really. Cowherd, Bayliss, etc. and paid good money to come up with the most ridiculous takes, the ones that will get people talking about them. They aren't intended to be well thought out, smart, or accurate, just as outrageous as possible.
Mission accomplished.
His ongoing vendetta against Baker Mayfield was aging terribly as he played fantastic...so he pivoted to Baker wearing his hat backwards in a Zoom interview as a reason why he’s not good or won’t be successful in the playoffs. That tells you all you need to know about Cowherd and his MO
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Packers apparently signing Tramon Williams.
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Why did Czar Nicolas keep Rasputin around? Who knows?
Happy wife, happy life.
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Packers apparently signing Tramon Williams.
Hmmm, what's Charles Woodson doing?
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How do you get that job exactly? Get paid a small fortune, to not think, but just blurt out the most absurd thoughts.
I'm pretty sure I'm qualified for that, where can I sign up?
Apply to Scoop as they have moderator spots open.
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Apply to Scoop as they have moderator spots open.
Dare to dream....
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Hmmm, what's Charles Woodson doing?
I will forever have a soft spot for Tramon. My one and only unrealistic called shot was his INT return against the Falcons in the playoffs.
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No wonder Brees couldn't throw deep. Played all year with a torn rotator cuff.
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No wonder Brees couldn't throw deep. Played all year with a torn rotator cuff.
The man had a pretty good year for playing with a torn rotator cuff, torn fascia in his foot, and then suffering 11 fractured ribs and a collapsed lung.
The guy is a legend. This is impressive.
Also, this is partially why Brady left NE, and went to TB. His only chance to have success is to be on a team that can keep him upright. NE's line wasn't going to cut it, TB had one of the best O-lines in the league. At their ages, they aren't mobile enough to avoid being hit, and can't take the hits.
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Did Brees really give them the best chance to win with a torn rotator cuff?
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Fluffy beat me to it. The question is whether or not a younger, more mobile quarterback with normal arm strength would have served that team better.
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Did Brees really give them the best chance to win with a torn rotator cuff?
The honest answer is no
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Fluffy beat me to it. The question is whether or not a younger, more mobile quarterback with normal arm strength would have served that team better.
That quarterback couldn't beat out a TE for starter QB minutes when Brees was out.
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Did Brees really give them the best chance to win with a torn rotator cuff?
Nope that would be Jameis. (Taysom fans don't @ me). But benching Drew Brees for Jameis Winston midseason in a year that ends in anything less than a super bowl win cuts years off a coach's career.
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Nope that would be Jameis. (Taysom fans don't @ me). But benching Drew Brees for Jameis Winston midseason in a year that ends in anything less than a super bowl win cuts years off a coach's career.
You think the Saints would have fired Sean Payton for that? Highly doubtful.
My guess is that Payton was going down swinging with his guy no matter what.
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You think the Saints would have fired Sean Payton for that? Highly doubtful.
My guess is that Payton was going down swinging with his guy no matter what.
Certainly not immediately, no. But then Brees retires, New Orleans flails for a year or two trying to figure out if Jameis the answer or to draft a guy or whatever, and I think in the long run it goes on the pile of things that costs Payton an extra year or two to figure it out. I'm more just saying that no one is going to really question Payton riding or dying with Brees, and he'd be putting himself out there to bench him for a not particularly popular Jameis Winston.
And in Payton's defense, who knows the vibe of the locker room, etc. There could be a bunch of soft reasons that sticking with a bruised and battered Brees was the right answer. I don't blame him necessarily, but from a hard football skills standpoint, Jameis absolutely would have raised the offense's ceiling.
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Did Brees really give them the best chance to win with a torn rotator cuff?
They had no chance to win with an injured Brees. People in TB (and I) would say they had no chance to win with Winston, either.
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Certainly not immediately, no. But then Brees retires, New Orleans flails for a year or two trying to figure out if Jameis the answer or to draft a guy or whatever, and I think in the long run it goes on the pile of things that costs Payton an extra year or two to figure it out. I'm more just saying that no one is going to really question Payton riding or dying with Brees, and he'd be putting himself out there to bench him for a not particularly popular Jameis Winston.
If Jameis doesn't work in the next couple of years, Payton could be out regardless. I don't think this one decision would have any bearing on that.
And in Payton's defense, who knows the vibe of the locker room, etc. There could be a bunch of soft reasons that sticking with a bruised and battered Brees was the right answer. I don't blame him necessarily, but from a hard football skills standpoint, Jameis absolutely would have raised the offense's ceiling.
I get that. And that is why I think he was just sticking with him regardless.
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They had no chance to win with an injured Brees. People in TB (and I) would say they had no chance to win with Winston, either.
Eh. Higher ceiling, lower floor. If your QB can't throw the ball 20 yards down the field, you aren't going very far.
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Eh. Higher ceiling, lower floor. If your QB can't throw the ball 20 yards down the field, you aren't going very far.
Brees still had a RTG of 106.4. No one on the NO roster can put up that type of efficiency with the lineup they put on the field this year. Thomas injured all year, and would have been on IR if it wasn't Brees last year.
They didn't have an O-line that could provide enough time for people to get open down field, and didn't have the receivers to do it either. Despite that, Brees put up the 6th best RTG amongst QBs. Better than Brady (102.2), and his TD long of the year (52 yards) also exceeded that of Brady (50 yards).
Brady couldn't through a TD longer than 50 yards with arguably the best receiver lineup in the league and one designed for a deep ball, all while behind one of the best offensive lines in the league.
This criticism of Brees and glorification of Brady isn't supported by data. Brees and Brady are both well past their prime, their long TDs of the year are amongst the worst in the league. But, their efficiency still makes them far far better options than their replacements.
Swap teams and give Brees the TB O-line and receiving corps, and give Brady the Saints. And Brees wins. That doesn't mean Brees is better than Brady or vice versa. It just means your actual team and the entirety of the situation matters a heck of a lot more than people think.
The idea that the Saints were better with Winston is nonsense. It would be equally nonsense to say they would be better without Thomas, who was also playing way below ability due to injuries.
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Brees still had a RTG of 106.4. No one on the NO roster can put up that type of efficiency with the lineup they put on the field this year. Thomas injured all year, and would have been on IR if it wasn't Brees last year.
They didn't have an O-line that could provide enough time for people to get open down field, and didn't have the receivers to do it either. Despite that, Brees put up the 6th best RTG amongst QBs. Better than Brady (102.2), and his TD long of the year (52 yards) also exceeded that of Brady (50 yards).
Brady couldn't through a TD longer than 50 yards with arguably the best receiver lineup in the league and one designed for a deep ball, all while behind one of the best offensive lines in the league.
This criticism of Brees and glorification of Brady isn't supported by data. Brees and Brady are both well past their prime, their long TDs of the year are amongst the worst in the league. But, their efficiency still makes them far far better options than their replacements.
Swap teams and give Brees the TB O-line and receiving corps, and give Brady the Saints. And Brees wins. That doesn't mean Brees is better than Brady or vice versa. It just means your actual team and the entirety of the situation matters a heck of a lot more than people think.
The idea that the Saints were better with Winston is nonsense. It would be equally nonsense to say they would be better without Thomas, who was also playing way below ability due to injuries.
I didn't compare to Brady. I also didn't say they were better. I said they they had a higher ceiling and lower floor with Winston, which is undoubtedly true. If a QB can't throw the ball 20 yards downfield, they can't manage the game when they fall behind. Which is exactly what happened.
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Eh. Higher ceiling, lower floor. If your QB can't throw the ball 20 yards down the field, you aren't going very far.
You’re point is correct. The problem is that when Jamie’s threw it more than 20 yards, it was often to the wrong team. That’s why Hill started when Brees was hurt.
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RIP Ted Thompson. Passed away last night per Silverstein. Lots of frustration with his team building but he did draft Rodgers and got GB a super bowl.
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You’re point is correct. The problem is that when Jamie’s threw it more than 20 yards, it was often to the wrong team. That’s why Hill started when Brees was hurt.
There was a very small chance they were coming back against TB if Jameis is inserted into the game. I doubt he would have been the difference. But everyone could see there was zero chance they were coming back with Brees.
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RIP Ted Thompson. Passed away last night per Silverstein. Lots of frustration with his team building but he did draft Rodgers and got GB a super bowl.
Yup. He definitely had his process and it lead to the Packers being very good for a long time.
Very sad.
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Yup. He definitely had his process and it lead to the Packers being very good for a long time.
Very sad.
I think history will look back at Ted Thompson quite fondly.
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https://twitter.com/burchie_kid/status/1352296687134498817?s=21
This will end spectacularly.
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https://twitter.com/burchie_kid/status/1352296687134498817?s=21
This will end spectacularly.
So same old Detroit. Got it.
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Lions gotta Lions. Rebuild, fail, repeat.
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So same old Detroit. Got it.
"Take on the identity of the city."
Jesus, do people still fall for that crap?
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This already feels like the Marinelli hire.
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Ted Thompson passes away - https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/01/21/green-bay-packers-former-general-manager-ted-thompson-dies-68/6657178002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/01/21/green-bay-packers-former-general-manager-ted-thompson-dies-68/6657178002/)
Great quote upon drafting Aaron Rodgers: “I just think when you look back five years from now you’ll say, ‘This was a hell of a pick.’”
Indeed.
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"Take on the identity of the city."
Jesus, do people still fall for that crap?
If the Lions take on the identity of Detroit, they will play like a bunch of abandoned factories.
Wait - isn’t that what they have been doing all along?!?
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"Take on the identity of the city."
Jesus, do people still fall for that crap?
If you've been anywhere in the US of A you know the general public LOVES platitudes. A lot of people even decorate their houses full of them!
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If you've been anywhere in the US of A you know the general public LOVES platitudes. A lot of people even decorate their houses full of them!
It is what it is.
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If you've been anywhere in the US of A you know the general public LOVES platitudes. A lot of people even decorate their houses full of them!
Or put them on Facebook incessantly. It's way easier than actually thinking.
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If you've been anywhere in the US of A you know the general public LOVES platitudes. A lot of people even decorate their houses full of them!
"Do we really need a sign that says 'Live, Laugh and Love?'"
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The Lions hired a GM that was on no one else's radar and a coach that was on no one else's radar. I WISH we had problems like the Bears.
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If the Lions take on the identity of Detroit, they will play like a bunch of abandoned factories.
Wait - isn’t that what they have been doing all along?!?
Now it would be hipsters riding fixed gear bikes and left Brooklyn because it was becoming too mainstream.
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What are the Steelers doing? Really gonna start Haskins?
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What are the Steelers doing? Really gonna start Haskins?
I don't think so. Haven't seen the $ on Haskins but its only a one year deal. Dobbs is a free agent so I think this is just a former top draft pick for depth and development for free. If Roethlisberger retires, I assume they'll bring someone else in. Handicapping now, I think Rudolph is more likely to be their starter next year than Haskins.
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What are the Steelers doing? Really gonna start Haskins?
Low risk signing
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I’m very curious to know what Bieniemy interviews like, cause something has to be off. I’m not naive enough to ignore the racial issues within the NFL, but I refuse to believe that it’s solely a racial thing. Ron Rivera, Brian Flores, and now Robert Salah have all been hired as minority candidates since he became a hot name. And interestingly, 2 of the most recent openings were filled by African American GMs
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I don't think so. Haven't seen the $ on Haskins but its only a one year deal. Dobbs is a free agent so I think this is just a former top draft pick for depth and development for free. If Roethlisberger retires, I assume they'll bring someone else in. Handicapping now, I think Rudolph is more likely to be their starter next year than Haskins.
Makes sense. Thanks.
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I also think the fact that he has been in the AFC Championship Game three years in a row is a problem. Everyone is in a rush to hire a coach and doesn't want to wait.
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I’m very curious to know what Bieniemy interviews like, cause something has to be off. I’m not naive enough to ignore the racial issues within the NFL, but I refuse to believe that it’s solely a racial thing. Ron Rivera, Brian Flores, and now Robert Salah have all been hired as minority candidates since he became a hot name. And interestingly, 2 of the most recent openings were filled by African American GMs
From what I have read, he has prior arrest, some past personal issues and actually does not call the offensive plays during the game. Other writers have said anybody could call plays with Mahomes and his offensive weapons. Other past coaches, I think Nagy, have also not called plays, but... Maybe GMs have additional info or he just flopped in the interviews, but something happened. He was probably the number one hot coaching prospect few weeks ago, so not a racial thing to me. Maybe Texans pick him, maybe not.
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From what I have read, he has prior arrest, some past personal issues and actually does not call the offensive plays during the game. Other writers have said anybody could call plays with Mahomes and his offensive weapons. Other past coaches, I think Nagy, have also not called plays, but... Maybe GMs have additional info or he just flopped in the interviews, but something happened. He was probably the number one hot coaching prospect few weeks ago, so not a racial thing to me. Maybe Texans pick him, maybe not.
Bieniemy's legal issues date back to his college days except for a DUI in 2001.
I get the "not calling plays" criticism, but the legal one would be kind of nuts.
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Bieniemy's legal issues date back to his college days except for a DUI in 2001.
I get the "not calling plays" criticism, but the legal one would be kind of nuts.
Just posting what I read, not beliefs. Some organizations don't care about time frame, just the fact it's there. Again, there must be something else going on.
Here is article read a few hours ago, good points.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eric-bieniemy-still-isnt-an-nfl-head-coach-and-every-excuse-why-falls-flat-205139525.html
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Nothing like watching some old Packers clip to get fired up for the big game.
https://twitter.com/packers/status/1051194786202316800
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Bieniemy's legal issues date back to his college days except for a DUI in 2001.
I get the "not calling plays" criticism, but the legal one would be kind of nuts.
There his involvement with recruiting scandals involving sexual assault at CU too when he was a coach there.
So, if you hire him you’ve hired a woman beater and alleged rape enabler. If you don’t you’re a discriminatory racist. What group do you piss off more?
By the way, his own Alma mater didn’t hire him as head coach but has hired other minority coaches.
And, apparently he’s sucks at interviewing. Comes off as aloof and arrogant. I think we’ve all had job candidates come in whom were great on paper but not in person. And, maybe, he’s just not taking the jobs that have been out there.
https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-rumors-eric-bieniemy-coach/
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Nick Sirianni didn't call plays for the Colts; hired by Eagles.
Urban Meyer has off field baggage ranging from health issues to rumored affairs with coeds; hired by Jaguars.
Dan Campbell talks about biting people's kneecaps in a press conference but apparently interviewed well enough to be hired by the Lions.
Strange league.
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Nick Sirianni didn't call plays for the Colts; hired by Eagles.
Urban Meyer has off field baggage ranging from health issues to rumored affairs with coeds; hired by Jaguars.
Dan Campbell talks about biting people's kneecaps in a press conference but apparently interviewed well enough to be hired by the Lions.
Strange league.
Leslie Frazier will likely get the Texans job. He knows the right people . He shares the same agent as the Texans GM.
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There his involvement with recruiting scandals involving sexual assault at CU too when he was a coach there.
So, if you hire him you’ve hired a woman beater and alleged rape enabler. If you don’t you’re a discriminatory racist. What group do you piss off more?
By the way, his own Alma mater didn’t hire him as head coach but has hired other minority coaches.
And, apparently he’s sucks at interviewing. Comes off as aloof and arrogant. I think we’ve all had job candidates come in whom were great on paper but not in person. And, maybe, he’s just not taking the jobs that have been out there.
https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-rumors-eric-bieniemy-coach/
Him not interviewing well or calling plays are legit concerns.
Him having a DUI and issues with player behavior when he was a position coach isn't relevant at all. As Lazar's says, those are issues that don't apply to other coaches and are likely just being floated as excuses now. (And I don't see where it says he beat a woman.)
That being said, I don't think this is a racial issue.
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There his involvement with recruiting scandals involving sexual assault at CU too when he was a coach there.
So, if you hire him you’ve hired a woman beater and alleged rape enabler. If you don’t you’re a discriminatory racist. What group do you piss off more?
By the way, his own Alma mater didn’t hire him as head coach but has hired other minority coaches.
And, apparently he’s sucks at interviewing. Comes off as aloof and arrogant. I think we’ve all had job candidates come in whom were great on paper but not in person. And, maybe, he’s just not taking the jobs that have been out there.
https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-rumors-eric-bieniemy-coach/
In no particular order:
Almost twenty years ago, Eric Bieniemy was an assistant coach at Colorado in 2001-2002. In 2003 during rape investigation, authorities didn't question Bieniemy, nor did they take any depositions from him. They did question, and take depositions from some others.
Twenty seven years ago, shortly after college, while a running back for the San Diego Chargers, Eric Bieniemy and others were cutting across a parking lot. While walking he he put his hand on the back of the neck of a female parking lot attendant jokingly startling her, (This is not okay and not acceptable) kept walking and urinated with the group at a different part of the parking lot. Later a male parking lot attendant was allegedly struck on the side of the face by someone else. Bieniemy wasn't there.
Eric Bieniemy turned down the Head Coaching Position at the University of Colorado.
It's been widely reported that Bieniemy would like to be an NFL Head Coach, but hasn't received the opportunity to do so.
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In no particular order:
Almost twenty years ago, Eric Bieniemy was an assistant coach at Colorado in 2001-2002. In 2003 during rape investigation, authorities didn't question Bieniemy, nor did they take any depositions from him. They did question, and take depositions from some others.
Twenty seven years ago, shortly after college, while a running back for the San Diego Chargers, Eric Bieniemy and others were cutting across a parking lot. While walking he he put his hand on the back of the neck of a female parking lot attendant jokingly startling her, (This is not okay and not acceptable) kept walking and urinated with the group at a different part of the parking lot. Later a male parking lot attendant was allegedly struck on the side of the face by someone else. Bieniemy wasn't there.
Exactly. This is the stuff floated as excuses for one candidate that all sorts of teams would completely overlook for others.
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Dan Campbell has a documented case of yelling an inappropriate slur at a pep rally while in college.
New coach of the Lions.
Patricia had an alleged sexual assault from college. Also hired by the Lions.
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The implicit bias at work here is an offense vs defense thing. African American coaches with offense backgrounds aren't head coaches for the same reasons talented African American kids didn't/don't get played at QB in high school. Here's a list of recent black head coaches with backgrounds coaching defense: Mike Tomlin, Brian Flores, Ron Rivera, Marvin Lewis, Vance Joseph, Leslie Frazier, Steve Wilks, Todd Bowles, Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith. List of recent black head coaches with offense background: Anthony Lynn, Jim Caldwell, Hue Jackson. I might have missed a couple but you get the idea.
When the next offensive whiz kid head coaching candidate is white, certain personality traits show "eccentricity" and are seen as proof that the offensive guru-ness is real. Guys like Gase, McDaniels, Lane Kiffin, and Trestman all got one and sometimes two chances because teams will do anything and take risks despite red flags to find the next offensive whiz.
Do those guys get the same treatment and opportunities if they were African American? I certainly don't think so. Bienemy is an example of that, and his red flags are far fewer.
Hopefully some of this disparity washes out as the old inequities become less common, like we're seeing at QB.
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Another test case upcoming is Byron Leftwich, who as OC at Tampa, also calls plays.
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Him not interviewing well or calling plays are legit concerns.
Him having a DUI and issues with player behavior when he was a position coach isn't relevant at all. As Lazar's says, those are issues that don't apply to other coaches and are likely just being floated as excuses now. (And I don't see where it says he beat a woman.)
That being said, I don't think this is a racial issue.
I don’t care about the DUI but the assault and alleged covering up/enabling sexual assault. That’s an issue.
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Him not interviewing well or calling plays are legit concerns.
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I don't think any of us have been privy to his interviews.
Saleh, Staley, Sirianni, Campbell - have they ever called plays for any offense?
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I don’t care about the DUI but the assault and alleged covering up/enabling sexual assault. That’s an issue.
Dude, he is not alleged to have covered up anything. Here is the sentence: "Bieniemy also worked on Colorado’s coaching staff when the program had multiple players facing rape allegations."
So now NFL teams aren't going to want to hire an assistant coach (who was never questioned or directly implicated) who was on a coaching staff when players were facing rape allegations (though never charged)?
Urban Meyer coached a player who killed a guy.
So please spare me that stuff.
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I don't think any of us have been privy to his interviews.
Saleh, Staley, Sirianni, Campbell - have they ever called plays for any offense?
Saleh and Staley are defensive coaches, so no. I have no idea about the other two.
My point is there are plenty of legit reasons why teams may not want to hire him. It very well could be that they simply don't want to wait another 2+ weeks.
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Dude, he is not alleged to have covered up anything. Here is the sentence: "Bieniemy also worked on Colorado’s coaching staff when the program had multiple players facing rape allegations."
So now NFL teams aren't going to want to hire an assistant coach (who was never questioned or directly implicated) who was on a coaching staff when players were facing rape allegations (though never charged)?
Urban Meyer coached a player who killed a guy.
So please spare me that stuff.
https://dailybruin.com/2004/04/05/football-bieniemy-to-likely-fa
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If Eric Bieniemy was white, he’d have a job by now. The excuses are garbage. If Urban Meyer is hireable, then so is Bieniemy. His resume far exceeds many coaches recently hired, including Matt Laflure
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https://dailybruin.com/2004/04/05/football-bieniemy-to-likely-fa
Nothing that article says disputes what I posted.
EDIT: And let's just cut to the chase here. Despite all of these allegations that happened while he was an assistant coach at Colorado, HE WAS OFFERED THEIR HEAD COACHING JOB LAST YEAR!
So let's stop pretending that he isn't getting a head coaching job because of that. NFL teams have hired coaches with similar issues.
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If Eric Bieniemy was white, he’d have a job by now. The excuses are garbage. If Urban Meyer is hireable, then so is Bieniemy. His resume far exceeds many coaches recently hired, including Matt Laflure
Urban Meyer is a scumbag and plays up health issues to his benefit, but come on. The only people with a higher winning percentage in college that coached more than 200 games are Larry Kehres from Mount Union and another D3 coach. He’s arguably a top college coach of all time. Acting like he’s “not hireable” is silly, dude could get any job he showed legit interest in.
People have posed very logical reasons, not related to DUI or scandal, why he’s not been hired. It’s not automatically a race thing, especially when he’s been a hot name while other coaches of color have been hired. If he interviews like crap, it’s not race that keeps him from being hired
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I think the Lafleur and McCarthy hiring show that why fans look for may not be what front offices value. They were offensive coordinators coming from offenses that weren’t particularly successful.
Maybe Bieniemy is incredibly picky about where he goes. Maybe he’s already agreed in principle with Houston and just playing coy. Maybe he’s a Gregg Marshall type and his personality would not be great as a head coach.
He’s clearly a hot name and it’s not like any GM is going to have an upset fanbase if they hire him. So it feels like there’s something behind the scenes that may give teams pause.
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Saleh and Staley are defensive coaches, so no. I have no idea about the other two.
My point is there are plenty of legit reasons why teams may not want to hire him. It very well could be that they simply don't want to wait another 2+ weeks.
I think your last point may be most valid. We always look at the HC and, obviously he is the most important guy. But let's not underestimate getting a jump on rounding out the staff. The sooner you get the HC, the more options you have at the coordinator positions.
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Lafluer was hired based on him coming from the Kyle Shanahan tree and for his job working as the OC for the Rams. He left the Rams so he could call his own plays for the Titans. They wanted someone with a modern approach to offensive football, and that is what they got.
McCarthy was considered a pretty innovative offensive mind at the time, and used to work with Favre as QB coach. There was actually some talk that Favre was going to retire had they not hired Steve Mariucci, which Thompson had no interest in doing. So my guess is that they was a bit of a "compromise candidate."
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I think your last point may be most valid. We always look at the HC and, obviously he is the most important guy. But let's not underestimate getting a jump on rounding out the staff. The sooner you get the HC, the more options you have at the coordinator positions.
Yeah, and I don't know how you work around that. I get why teams don't want their coordinators hired away before the Super Bowl, but maybe there has to be some give there.
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I don’t think this will make Watson want to stay.
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1352728155648389123?s=21
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I don’t think this will make Watson want to stay.
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1352728155648389123?s=21
Any "WKRP in Cincinnati" fans here? Do you remember the episode where Art Carlson was running for city council and called his opponent an alcoholic? He was so ashamed that he intentionally tried to lose the election.
I kinda feel that's the Texans right now.
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I don’t think this will make Watson want to stay.
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1352728155648389123?s=21
What a disaster. Also a disaster, that terrible cringy reply from Magary underneath it. Get a grip dude
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Any "WKRP in Cincinnati" fans here? Do you remember the episode where Art Carlson was running for city council and called his opponent an alcoholic? He was so ashamed that he intentionally tried to lose the election.
I kinda feel that's the Texans right now.
My son's theory (which I'm sure he heard/stole from someone else) is that Houston is now a cursed sports town because of the Astros' shenanigans.
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Any "WKRP in Cincinnati" fans here? Do you remember the episode where Art Carlson was running for city council and called his opponent an alcoholic? He was so ashamed that he intentionally tried to lose the election.
I kinda feel that's the Texans right now.
The best episode of WKRP was when they did the Thanksgiving turkey drop.
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Lions moving on from Matthew Stafford. Will look to trade him. He’s only 32 though he’s taken plenty of damage and has a huge contract.
Both Stafford and Watson available this off-season. With that floating around, can’t wait for the Bears to start Trubisky or some retread POS like Jeff Driskel or Nick Mullens next year
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Lions moving on from Matthew Stafford. Will look to trade him. He’s only 32 though he’s taken plenty of damage and has a huge contract.
Both Stafford and Watson available this off-season. With that floating around, can’t wait for the Bears to start Trubisky or some retread POS like Jeff Driskel or Nick Mullens next year
I could see a team like Indy taking a flyer on him.
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The best episode of WKRP was when they did the Thanksgiving turkey drop.
Lol, the moment I saw the previous WKRP reverence my first thought was...
"I swear to god I thought turkeys could fly."
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Lol, the moment I saw the previous WKRP reverence my first thought was...
"I swear to god I thought turkeys could fly."
Thank goodness for YouTube and being able to go back and watch that again every year. I loved WKRP and that episode was a classic and is so funny...
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So everyone keeps saying this is Rodgers first NFC Championship Game at home. But he was the back up to Favre in 2008. Does that count?
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Lol, the moment I saw the previous WKRP reverence my first thought was...
"I swear to god I thought turkeys could fly."
"Oh my god, they're hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement!"
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Don’t feel comfortable about the game. Fox really wants Brady to win. Bucs could really pound it today.
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No clue what King was doing on that TD.
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No clue what King was doing on that TD.
2 big worries:
1. Mike Pettine
2. Special teams
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Couldn’t have had much of a worse start
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Couldn’t have had much of a worse start
Yup. Defense needs a turnover here or to get some hits on Brady. Did a good job getting to third down, but once there struggled.
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30 yard KO return. Short punt.
No defense on 1st possession.
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They haven’t played a good QB in weeks.
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How was that not an ineligible receiver down field? They had 2 lineman out in front of Godwin before he caught the ball.
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How was that not an ineligible receiver down field? They had 2 lineman out in front of Godwin before he caught the ball.
That must’ve been what MLF was pissed about. Finally a stop. Time to move
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MVS Giveth
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If GB wins, the pass to Lazard from the 5 yard line will be the biggest play of the game.
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Absolutely nothing Savage could do and then once again just terrible defense.
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Absolutely nothing Savage could do and then once again just terrible defense.
Two terrible defensive plays. Savage was in better position to catch that ball and got turned around.
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Absolutely ridiculous that had to be challenged.
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Lazard was WIDE open on 3rd and goal
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That’s a massive missed opportunity.
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A stop here can turn the game around.
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Lazard was WIDE open on 3rd and goal
That whole series inside the 10 just felt like a “Adams no matter what” force after the first play
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Refs certainly not caught up in the Lambeau mystique today.
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Rodgers dodged a bullet but man points were really needed that drive.
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Thoughts so far.
Tampa Bay is winning the battle of the trenches. They are putting pressure on Rodgers, and for the most part Brady has had a ton of time.
Tampa Bay has way more weapons at the receiver position.
Refs, gifting some big plays to TB.
Green Bay is going to have to step it up. GB's big play makers are going to have to way outperform to give GB a shot (Rodgers, Adams, and Jones). Tampa Bay just has to play their normal game.
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Kevin King has absolutely screwed this team today.
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Uncalled hold.
Missed easy interception.
Horrible CB play.
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Pettine is a moron. Maybe He asked Greg Williams for advice.
Arians vs. Pettine is like a professor vs. a 1st grader.
On the last play of a half, you can’t be in a defense that gives up a deep ball in 1-on1 coverage.
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Last play just made me sick. Bucs with all the momentum. Packers don’t score a td on next possession and it’s ball game. Defense trending towards another absolute choke job.
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Defense trending towards another absolute choke job.
Pretty good on 1st and 2nd down, horrendous on 3rd and 4th.
Also, Billy Turner. Oooof.
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getting embarrased to old man tom twice in a season. horrific last play. they look bad.
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On the last play of a half, you can’t be in a defense that gives up a deep ball in 1-on1 coverage.
That last defensive play was so bad. It is an example of why people think professional sports are rigged.
Absolutely no defense for that defensive scheme there. Quite honestly possibly through away the game.
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Game over, I’m done. Choke job. Nothing less.
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Game over. Their defense is just mile ahead of GB's defense.
Their OL miles ahead of our DL.
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Nice coverage - again.
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Game over. Their defense is just mile ahead of GB's defense.
Their OL miles ahead of our DL.
They had a first and ten with less than a minute left in the half down four. Less than two minutes of game time and they are down 18.
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getting embarrased to old man tom twice in a season. horrific last play. they look bad.
Not bad for a "system quarterback."
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They had a first and ten with less than a minute left in the half down four. Less than two minutes of game time and they are down 18.
Criminal clock management at the end of the half. After the play that gave them the first down, they needed to call time out. Instead, they wasted time, never got organized and then got sacked. Next play was the INT. Brutal.
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Not bad for a "system quarterback."
ye making tom look like hes in his prime out there
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They had a first and ten with less than a minute left in the half down four. Less than two minutes of game time and they are down 18.
TB can rush 5 or 6 on most downs with no worry, because we do not have the WRs to punish them (just double Adams).
We can only rush 3 or 4, and even then we usually leave one WR running free some how. Embarrassing.
They are just playing pitch and catch. Easy football.
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Finally a pick. Brady has been throwing a lot of bad passes up for grabs. Finally we come up with one.
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There's the special teams coming through ::)
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All the momentum and Special Teams gives it up. As expected.
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Finally a pick. Brady has been throwing a lot of bad passes up for grabs. Finally we come up with one.
Brady has thrown a lot of great passes his receivers have dropped, including one that Evans should have just caught for a long gainer or TD.
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King gets beat again - got lucky.
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Sullivan and King both suck
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Good job, Pettine
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TB's receivers have had stone hands today
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I like the commercial that labels Singletary as a HoF player and, ahem, coach.
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Uhhhh, how do you not go for it there?
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Uhhhh, how do you not go for it there?
They won’t get the ball back - AND they still need a TD
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Brady has thrown a lot of great passes his receivers have dropped, including one that Evans should have just caught for a long gainer or TD.
Brady under threw that ball by about 10 yards. Evans had to basically stop, which allowed the defender to contest the pass.
Evans should have still caught it, but that was a bad pass.
Brady has thrown a ton of bad passes. Things that should be easy completions that were not on target.
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Haha. Refs DEFINITELY not caught up in the Lambeau mystique.
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Right call. Quite the jersey pull.
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Right call. Quite the jersey pull.
You must not have watched the previous 59 minutes of football today.
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Good bye Kevin king. You lost a lot of money today.
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That wasn't called all game. You didn't throw that same flag on two of the last three Packer possessions, and on the key interception.
Penalty. yes. But kind of BS when you ignore it all game when TB did it over and over again.
Also, he didn't even need to hold. The ball was way overthrown, was uncatchable.
Could have also called a hold on TB's OL. TB hooked the defender around the neck/head to stop him from getting to Brady.
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They had to call that. That was very obvious. King should have just let him go.
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Uhhhh, how do you not go for it there?
Rodgers should have run the ball on third. But yeah.
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They had to call that. That was very obvious. King should have just let him go.
Agreed it was very obvious. So was the one they didn’t call that had Lazard’s entire shoulder pad out of his jersey which resulted in an interception and a touchdown before half for the Bucs. And the two holds on Adam’s in the same play on the Packers last drive.
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Agreed it was very obvious. So was the one they didn’t call that had Lazard’s entire shoulder pad out of his jersey which resulted in an interception and a touchdown before half for the Bucs. And the two holds on Adam’s in the same play on the Packers last drive.
Or the two hold on Lazard the possession before that, where the announcers said it was normally an obvious penalty, but that they've been letting it go.
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Not a Packer fan, but I’d have FAR less issue with that call if the flag wasn’t 5 seconds late
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Refs weren’t the problem. Crap defense, not taking advantage of turnovers, and a boneheaded coaching decision were the problems.
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Our long, regional nightmare is over.
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Not a Packer fan, but I’d have FAR less issue with that call if the flag wasn’t 5 seconds late
That doesn’t matter. Early...late... same thing.
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CAN’T kick the FG. If it’s Trubisky, fine. Not against Brady.
Brutal mistake.
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CAN’T kick the FG. If it’s Trubisky, fine. Not against Brady.
Brutal mistake.
Yep. And LaFleur usually is better than that.
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6 points off 3 Tampa turnovers, Rodgers not trying to run it in on 3rd and goal, an egregious decision by Lafleur to kick an absolutely meaningless field goal... lot of easy blame to go around in Green Bay. That was a no bueno performance all around in a winnable game.
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Refs weren’t the problem. Crap defense, not taking advantage of turnovers, and a boneheaded coaching decision were the problems.
If the refs throw the flag on the obvious PI that led to an interception. The Packers win this game. Period.
Yes, their defense sucked. Yes, they didn't take advantage of the TOs, in part because of officials not throwing flags on some important obvious PIs.
Yes, there were some bad coaching decisions. So yes, they could have still won this game (and should have).
But, if the refs through the flag on an obvious PI at the end of the half. The Packers on in the super bowl.
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Refs weren’t the problem. Crap defense, not taking advantage of turnovers, and a boneheaded coaching decision were the problems.
Sure. But if you don’t miss a holding where the WRs shoulder pad is pulled out of his jersey the Bucs don’t get 7 to end the first half. And the Pack have a first down with 1:40ish to get points of their own.
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6 points off 3 Tampa turnovers, Rodgers not trying to run it in on 3rd and goal, an egregious decision by Lafleur to kick an absolutely meaningless field goal... lot of easy blame to go around in Green Bay. That was a no bueno performance all around in a winnable game.
Yep. The screw up at the end of the half, the early TO in the second...
Fact is they should have won. Packers have maybe one more season before their window closes. Maybe two.
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Sure. But if you don’t miss a holding where the WRs shoulder pad is pulled out of his jersey the Bucs don’t get 7 to end the first half. And the Pack have a first down with 1:40ish to get points of their own.
Look when you have to rely on the refs to not call something obvious, when you frankly should have won, I’m just not going to be upset about it.
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You must not have watched the previous 59 minutes of football today.
Exactly!
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idk whats worse. getting blown out or almost coming back and not capitlizing on so many oppurtunties. rodgers talent has been wasted. these guy blow ass
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idk whats worse. getting blown out or almost coming back and not capitlizing on so many oppurtunties. rodgers talent has been wasted. these guy blow ass
I would have preferred them to have been blown out versus how that ended.
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Rodgers to the Bears
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Rodgers should have run the ball on third. But yeah.
Feels like if Rodgers was told it was 4 down territory, the run would have set up a decent 4th down chance at worst.
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TB's td at the end of the first half after, what should have been a GB interception, coupled with Jones' fumble at the start of the second half were killers. I agree there was no point of kicking a field goal down 8 pts. While we're at it, why defer after winning the coin toss, hey?
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For me King cost the packers the game. Two touchdowns against him, numerous bad coverages and poor tackling. Pulling the Jersey on the third down at the end is inexcusable. The touchdown given up at the end of the half is a mind boggling bone head play. He should be gone they can easily find a replacement to play at least that bad.
Pettine should go too. Two 12 men on the field penalties is on him. Piss poor play of the defense in the second half.
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For me King cost the packers the game. Two touchdowns against him, numerous bad coverages and poor tackling. Pulling the Jersey on the third down at the end is inexcusable. The touchdown given up at the end of the half is a mind boggling bone head play. He should be gone they can easily find a replacement to play at least that bad.
Pettine should go too. Two 12 men on the field penalties is on him. Piss poor play of the defense in the second half.
King is a UFA so he’ll be gone anyway.
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One of my Marquette roommates just texted me that even with that call by LaFleur Wojo is still the worst coach in Wisconsin.
I got a chuckle.
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You must not have watched the previous 59 minutes of football today.
Mostly true. Watching golf until Kang missed the tying putt. Watching football during lulls.
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The thing is, TB got away with non-stop holds on receivers against New Orleans too. At least one of Bree's interceptions was due to an obvious hold (led to a TD) on a receiver. Very similar play as the hold leading to an interception in the GB game.
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King is a UFA so he’ll be gone anyway.
No crap, we all know that, and they better not resign him.
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The curse of the State Farm commercial?
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Watched the game with several family members. Not a one of us could believe how idiotic that 4th-down decision was. We were yelling at LaFleur through the TV.
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No crap, we all know that, and they better not resign him.
Ok well it wasn’t clear from your post.
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TB's td at the end of the first half after, what should have been a GB interception, coupled with Jones' fumble at the start of the second half were killers. I agree there was no point of kicking a field goal down 8 pts. While we're at it, why defer after winning the coin toss, hey?
I think the defer thing is trusting the defense to get a stop right away. It also allows the double up opportunity to end the first half and start the second.
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Watched the game with several family members. Not a one of us could believe how idiotic that 4th-down decision was. We were yelling at LaFleur through the TV.
The logic is, in any circumstance you have to get a stop to win. Kicking the field goal gives them the chance to win with a stop. I dont agree with it either, but I understand the logic. What I dont understand why Rodgers didnt run it in on 3rd down.
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The logic is, in any circumstance you have to get a stop to win. Kicking the field goal gives them the chance to win with a stop. I dont agree with it either, but I understand the logic. What I dont understand why Rodgers didnt run it in on 3rd down.
Illogical.
Agree about running on 3rd down, too.
A massive choke-job by GB, from the coach on down.
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Rodgers sounds like he wants out. Rodgers, Love, and a pick or two (since Guty doesn’t seem to like guys who will contribute anyway) for Watson?
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Illogical.
Agree about running on 3rd down, too.
A massive choke-job by GB, from the coach on down.
If they dont get touchdown, they have to get a stop, if they get touchdown and miss conversion they still have to get a stop. If they get touchdown and make 2 point conversion, they still have to get a stop with 2 minutes left. Where is spock when you need him.
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Rodgers sounds like he wants out. Rodgers, Love, and a pick or two (since Guty doesn’t seem to like guys who will contribute anyway) for Watson?
Yeah, Texans would have to give packers several picks for that and probably players. He just lost a frustrating game, I would take anything he said with a grain of salt.
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Rodgers sounds like he wants out. Rodgers, Love, and a pick or two (since Guty doesn’t seem to like guys who will contribute anyway) for Watson?
C'mon man, trade 'im fore Woj, hey?
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Yeah, Texans would have to give packers several picks for that and probably players. He just lost a frustrating game, I would take anything he said with a grain of salt.
Huh?
Watson is close to the player Rodgers is, but will have an extra decade of high level play after Rodgers retires.
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Rodgers isn’t going anywhere in 2021, his contract is as untradeable as any contract in the league for 2021. Any trade will wallop the Pack with $25.5 mil in dead cap for next year.
I do believe 2021 is his last season in Green Bay however. Much more manageable dead cap hit in 2022.
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Rodgers isn’t going anywhere in 2021, his contract is as untradeable as any contract in the league for 2021. Any trade will wallop the Pack with $25.5 mil in dead cap for next year.
I do believe 2021 is his last season in Green Bay however. Much more manageable dead cap hit in 2022.
Hmmm ... that's also when the Panthers won't be burdened by Bridgewater's contract.
See ya back here a year from now: Teddy for Mr. State Farm!
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If they dont get touchdown, they have to get a stop, if they get touchdown and miss conversion they still have to get a stop. If they get touchdown and make 2 point conversion, they still have to get a stop with 2 minutes left. Where is spock when you need him.
This is 100% correct.
The TD on 4th down isn't a given, the 2 point conversion isn't a given, stopping Brady in a 2 minute drill isn't a given, and winning in OT isn't a given.
Down 4, 5, or 6 I would say definitely go for it. But given the time left and TOs remaining, I'm not bothered by a FG down by 8.
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The only thing I would say is that if you don't get the TD on 4th down, you still have Tampa pinned fairly deep versus giving them yardage after a kick off.
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How the hell was the line for the Bills/Chiefs game only Chiefs -3.5? Opened at -3, I put more money on the Chiefs than I’ve ever put on one bet on Monday when they said Mahomes just had a "pinched nerve." Figured that line would balloon throughout the week. This team was 16-1 going into today, defending Super Bowl champs, and at home. And it's not like the Bills looked overly impressive last weekend.
The Chiefs are a wagon. They’re the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime, and I wish Lenny had been right that there was a way to bet on them going 18-1 after they had lost to the Raiders.
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How the hell was the line for the Bills/Chiefs game only Chiefs -3.5? Opened at -3, I put more money on the Chiefs than I’ve ever put on one bet on Monday when they said Mahomes just had a "pinched nerve." Figured that line would balloon throughout the week. This team was 16-1 going into today, defending Super Bowl champs, and at home. And it's not like the Bills looked overly impressive last weekend.
The Chiefs are a wagon. They’re the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime, and I wish Lenny had been right that there was a way to bet on them going 18-1 after they had lost to the Raiders.
You would have already lost that bet.
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Chiefs need to get their backups on the field.
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An interesting take from Brett Favre on who the Jags should take with Number 1 pick
https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/24/brett-favre-trevor-lawrence-devonta-smith-nfl-draft-jaguars/
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How the hell was the line for the Bills/Chiefs game only Chiefs -3.5? Opened at -3, I put more money on the Chiefs than I’ve ever put on one bet on Monday when they said Mahomes just had a "pinched nerve." Figured that line would balloon throughout the week. This team was 16-1 going into today, defending Super Bowl champs, and at home. And it's not like the Bills looked overly impressive last weekend.
It was super suspicious. That basically had them as a pick em on a neutral field. I could only think it was related to Mahomes health. His toe, not just his residual effects from the hit last week. If I had known that’s how Buffalo would treat Kelce, I would have maxed out every CC betting on them.
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How the hell was the line for the Bills/Chiefs game only Chiefs -3.5? Opened at -3, I put more money on the Chiefs than I’ve ever put on one bet on Monday when they said Mahomes just had a "pinched nerve." Figured that line would balloon throughout the week. This team was 16-1 going into today, defending Super Bowl champs, and at home. And it's not like the Bills looked overly impressive last weekend.
The Chiefs are a wagon. They’re the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime, and I wish Lenny had been right that there was a way to bet on them going 18-1 after they had lost to the Raiders.
Wow. Just wow.
1. There was a way to make that bet, which I explained to you but I guess it went over your head.
2. The Chiefs can’t go 18-1 since they have already lost twice. So the bet would have been a loser.
3. Before tonight, the “wagon” that is Kansas City had scored a grand total of 15 points more than their opponents in their previous nine (9) games. Their largest margin of victory were 6 point wins over Denver and Miami. Included in their run were a 2 point win over Carolina and a miracle 3 point win over Atlanta. Going into tonight, I believe they were 0-9 ATS in their last 9 games. I may be wrong as they may have one “push” in that span. Too lazy to look it up, I’ll leave that to you. Bottom line: they may win the Super Bowl, but they haven’t been anything close to the best team ever this year.
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It was impossible to know Covid was going to happen at the time, but I wonder if NBC has any regrets swapping the 2021 Super Bowl for the 2022 Super Bowl. I know NBC’s goal was to package the 2022 Winter Olympics with the Super Bowl to advertisers, but Brady/Mahomes should be gigantic ratings.
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You’ve got the best QB in the world and you’ve already picked Brady 3x.
Go for it on 4th down.
Of course there are no guarantees. Even the FG wasn’t guaranteed.
As Sultan said, even if you don’t make it, TB gets the ball on the 8; let’s see how willing TB is to take chances from there.
Go for it.
But no ... kick the FG ... and never see the ball again.
And now, Brady has won as many NFC titles as Rodgers has.
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Wow. Just wow.
1. There was a way to make that bet, which I explained to you but I guess it went over your head.
2. The Chiefs can’t go 18-1 since they have already lost twice. So the bet would have been a loser.
3. Before tonight, the “wagon” that is Kansas City had scored a grand total of 15 points more than their opponents in their previous nine (9) games. Their largest margin of victory were 6 point wins over Denver and Miami. Included in their run were a 2 point win over Carolina and a miracle 3 point win over Atlanta. Going into tonight, I believe they were 0-9 ATS in their last 9 games. I may be wrong as they may have one “push” in that span. Too lazy to look it up, I’ll leave that to you. Bottom line: they may win the Super Bowl, but they haven’t been anything close to the best team ever this year.
Apologies. For some reason I thought they won their game where they sat their starters in week 17. And I’m fairly confident they were not -14.5 or more at the Raiders, but I could be wrong. They were also up 22-10 and driving against the Browns before Mahomes had to leave the game.
Glad the spread was -3 as of Monday. That was very easy money.
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You’ve got the best QB in the world and you’ve already picked Brady 3x.
Go for it on 4th down.
Of course there are no guarantees. Even the FG wasn’t guaranteed.
As Sultan said, even if you don’t make it, TB gets the ball on the 8; let’s see how willing TB is to take chances from there.
Go for it.
But no ... kick the FG ... and never see the ball again.
And now, Brady has won as many NFC titles as Rodgers has.
I wouldn't have been mad if Lafleur went for it, but frankly your argument is leaning a little too much on hindsight.
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Look guys, we can bitch about the flag all we want, but our coach and HOF QB lost that game. 3 picks into zero points, and 3rd down was an easy run in. Plus not going for it on 4th down.
If Rodgers wants to dip after this season, then that's fine.
The worst thing about the entire season was that our #1 pick was inactive most of the season. What the hell.
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3 picks into zero points.
Not correct. Packers scored a touchdown off of the second interception. That's where they went for the two-point conversion and failed.
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Look guys, we can bitch about the flag all we want, but our coach and HOF QB lost that game. 3 picks into zero points, and 3rd down was an easy run in. Plus not going for it on 4th down.
If Rodgers wants to dip after this season, then that's fine.
The worst thing about the entire season was that our #1 pick was inactive most of the season. What the hell.
If you rewatch the third down play, Rodgers was getting to the 3 yard line at best on that play. They weren’t at like the 3 yard line. They were at the 8 I think. He had room, but not that much.
And the worst is that they drafted all offensive players through 4 rounds of the draft and they combined for under 500 total yards I believe.
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I wouldn't have been mad if Lafleur went for it, but frankly your argument is leaning a little too much on hindsight.
I would agree ... if I and the 3 others in the room weren't literally saying things like, "What are you doing? You gotta go for it!" in real time.
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Greg Olsen announced his retirement yesterday.
Not HOF material, but a really really good TE who was Newton's security blanket for 8 years. First TE with 3 straight 1,000-yard seasons, multiple Pro Bowls. Arrived from Chicago in the best trade in Panthers history.
A valuable contributor to the Charlotte community, too. Gave millions of dollars and countless hours to the local children's hospital.
He'll step right into the Fox booth and do a great job. He has worked for them some when injured these past few years and was really good.
I only own a few jerseys, and I don't really like wearing active players' jerseys. I'll happily wear my Olsen jersey for many years.
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I wouldn't have been mad if Lafleur went for it, but frankly your argument is leaning a little too much on hindsight.
Rodgers said yesterday that had he known they would have kicked on the 8, he would have run the ball. I think he should have anyway. He likely doesn't get in but they are inside the five.
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Wouldn't shock me if #12 demaned to be traded or released, hey?
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Wouldn't shock me if #12 demaned to be traded or released, hey?
With three years on his deal, the Packers aren't releasing him. And with the amount of deadcap that a trade would cause, that is likely not going to happen either. A straight up Rodgers for Deshaun Watson trade would be kind of fun to think about though.
I actually think you might see the opposite. Extend him a couple of years and throw some money at him now to lessen the cap hit later.
But I am like Dish. I think we see one more year.
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https://youtu.be/SnEOmjr5K5g
The offensive lineman isn’t holding Rashan Gary, though.
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Rodgers said yesterday that had he known they would have kicked on the 8, he would have run the ball. I think he should have anyway. He likely doesn't get in but they are inside the five.
Yes on all of the above.
Rodgers should have run, and I am 100% certain LaFleur should have gone for it.
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Rodgers said yesterday that had he known they would have kicked on the 8, he would have run the ball. I think he should have anyway. He likely doesn't get in but they are inside the five.
That’s surprising. I would think I’d 3rd down was your last chance to score, running wouldn’t have been an option. He wasn’t going to score running. But, if he thought they had another down, gaining 5 more yards would make it easier to score on 4th.
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With three years on his deal, the Packers aren't releasing him. And with the amount of deadcap that a trade would cause, that is likely not going to happen either. A straight up Rodgers for Deshaun Watson trade would be kind of fun to think about though.
I actually think you might see the opposite. Extend him a couple of years and throw some money at him now to lessen the cap hit later.
But I am like Dish. I think we see one more year.
My guess is they will most likely restructure to save cap space and then keep him at least through next year maybe through 2022. They still have 4 first team all pros and 2 second team all pros so no reason they cant make a run again next year. After next year they will know more of what they have in Jordan Love.
But who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him after June 1st either.
In the 90's it took a few playoff losses for them to get over the hump. The same maybe true here for LeFluer. They played well enough to win yesterday for most of the game. It's not like they were outclassed like they were last year. One playoff loss doesnt slam the window shut. They will still fundamentally be the same team next year. It's up to Gutey to make the right moves this off season, but it doesnt feel like a blow it up and start over team.
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Apologies. For some reason I thought they won their game where they sat their starters in week 17. And I’m fairly confident they were not -14.5 or more at the Raiders, but I could be wrong. They were also up 22-10 and driving against the Browns before Mahomes had to leave the game.
Glad the spread was -3 as of Monday. That was very easy money.
They weren’t -14.5 against the Raiders. That much you have right. But my recollection is they only beat them by 4 (35-31). Look, KC is a very good team this year. Maybe they’re peaking at the right time and will dominate in the super Bowl. But nobody who has paid any kind of attention would say they’re a team for the ages. Before yesterday, they hadn’t won a game by more than 6 points in two and a half months. And many of those squeakers were against bad teams (Carolina, Denver, Atlanta).
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They weren’t -14.5 against the Raiders. That much you have right. But my recollection is they only beat them by 4 (35-31). Look, KC is a very good team this year. Maybe they’re peaking at the right time and will dominate in the super Bowl. But nobody who has paid any kind of attention would say they’re a team for the ages. Before yesterday, they hadn’t won a game by more than 6 points in two and a half months. And many of those squeakers were against bad teams (Carolina, Denver, Atlanta).
So a team coming off of a Super Bowl and pretty much a lock for the 1 seed in the Playoffs for the last month of the season played uninspiring football for the last month of the season and are now dominating the playoffs, with the exception of the 1.5 quarters their future HOF quarterback missed.
But maybe the Falcons and Jets are almost as good of football teams as the Chiefs.
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How the hell was the line for the Bills/Chiefs game only Chiefs -3.5? Opened at -3, I put more money on the Chiefs than I’ve ever put on one bet on Monday when they said Mahomes just had a "pinched nerve." Figured that line would balloon throughout the week. This team was 16-1 going into today, defending Super Bowl champs, and at home. And it's not like the Bills looked overly impressive last weekend.
The Chiefs are a wagon. They’re the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime, and I wish Lenny had been right that there was a way to bet on them going 18-1 after they had lost to the Raiders.
I thought -3 was insane value too.
Being able to get a push in a FG win was enticing enough. And I really never had a thought they Bills would win. So I hit it hard.
Needed it cause GB did me no favors.
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So, is a generational talent like AR and the Pack, going just 1-4 in NFC championships with one Super Bowl win with him at the helm, a bigger disappointment than the 1985 Bears in terms of unfulfilled legacies?
No wonder AR is upset.
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Rodgers said yesterday that had he known they would have kicked on the 8, he would have run the ball. I think he should have anyway. He likely doesn't get in but they are inside the five.
You could tell that entire drive was rife with indeicison, right up to the point Crosby's fg split the uprights. It wasn't a hurry up, out of fear of leaving TB too much time. But LaFleur also wasn't willing to run clock in case they didn't get in or didn't get the 2 pt conversion. La Fleur was in clock no man's land, and he sort of just never made any decision and then boom, the game was over. Always easy to second guess, but in addition to Rodgers not tucking it on 3rd down, the playcalling in the redzone seemed really uncreative/clock conservative too.
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I'm not a Tom Brady fan. At all. But, knowing how competitive people like he and Belichick are, I'm guessing Brady is feeling pretty vindicated right about now.
I'm not saying it's justified...but I'm sure he's feeling pretty good.
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So a team coming off of a Super Bowl and pretty much a lock for the 1 seed in the Playoffs for the last month of the season played uninspiring football for the last month of the season and are now dominating the playoffs, with the exception of the 1.5 quarters their future HOF quarterback missed.
But maybe the Falcons and Jets are almost as good of football teams as the Chiefs.
The last month of the season? Seriously? The last time the Chiefs won a game by more than 6 points before yesterday was November 1st against the mighty NY Jets. That’s two and three quarter months ago, basically the last 60% of the season.
Carolina, Atlanta, Denver and the Jets all suck. The Raiders and Chargers do too. But the greatest team ever either squeaked by them or lost outright to them over the past 2.5 months. Your eye test just isn’t borne out by the facts.
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So, is a generational talent like AR and the Pack, going just 1-4 in NFC championships with one Super Bowl win with him at the helm, a bigger disappointment than the 1985 Bears in terms of unfulfilled legacies?
No wonder AR is upset.
I don't think history treats the Bears as an "unfulfilled legacy" as time goes on. And I don't think time will treat the Rodgers era, or the back to back Favre/Rodgers that way as well. Time tends to treat people more positively.
As a Packer fan, it sucks no doubt. But it's better than 0-4ing in Super Bowls like the Vikings and Bills, and better than being a fan of a perennial disappointing team like the Lions. Rodgers has played a lot of great football with dozens of memorable moments. I will choose to remember those.
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You could tell that entire drive was rife with indeicison, right up to the point Crosby's fg split the uprights. It wasn't a hurry up, out of fear of leaving TB too much time. But LaFleur also wasn't willing to run clock in case they didn't get in or didn't get the 2 pt conversion. La Fleur was in clock no man's land, and he sort of just never made any decision and then boom, the game was over. Always easy to second guess, but in addition to Rodgers not tucking it on 3rd down, the playcalling in the redzone seemed really uncreative/clock conservative too.
I thought the playcalling was even worse in the two drives after the Jaire interceptions. They moved away from what got them the last touchdown - controlled passing game. Both had "kill shot" type 20+ yard passes, and (I believe) running attempts that went nowhere. Then relied on Rodgers to make a couple of tough 3rd down conversions, which he didn't do. (Granted I am not sure if that was play calling or Rodgers audibling too.)
I think that entire fourth quarter was FULL of missed opportunities.
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Once I watched the Bills 30 for 30, I stopped getting too down on “wasting” Rodgers prime. It’s really hard to win a Super Bowl. Other than NE, it’s not like there’s a ton of QBs with multiple Super Bowls in that time. Ben and Elite Eli. Both won their first before Rodgers was a starter.
The two previous NFCC games I didn’t have high hopes for the Packers. I thought we were a clear step below. This one stings because I thought they were better than Tampa.
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The last month of the season? Seriously? The last time the Chiefs won a game by more than 6 points before yesterday was November 1st against the mighty NY Jets. That’s two and three quarter months ago, basically the last 60% of the season.
Carolina, Atlanta, Denver and the Jets all suck. The Raiders and Chargers do too. But the greatest team ever either squeaked by them or lost outright to them over the past 2.5 months. Your eye test just isn’t borne out by the facts.
The fact is they're on their way to a 17-2 season and back to back Super Bowls. I never claimed they were the greatest team ever. They're definitely the best I've ever seen, though. Or at least was old enough to remember having seen.
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Best long-stretch teams I've seen since I've been old enough to know better (chronological order):
1972-73 Dolphins
1974-79 Steelers
1985 Bears
1988-89 49ers
1992-95 Cowboys
2001-04 Patriots
One thing all of those teams had in common is that they were excellent for a long time in the years before, after and/or between championships.
For example, the Dolphins made the playoffs for the first time in 1970, lost SB6 the following year, capped the only undefeated season in NFL history by winning SB7, absolutely dominated the league en route to a decisive win in SB8, and lost an epic playoff game to Oakland in 1974. That's a 5-year run for a team filled with HOF players. The Chiefs aren't there, at least not yet.
The Steelers won 4 SBs in 6 years, first with one of the dominant defenses ever and then with a spectacular offense. The Aikman-Smith-Irvin Cowboys won 3 SBs in 4 years and were a great team for a long time. In addition to the back-to-back SBs, the 49ers won 2 other SBs in the '80s and were still competing with the Cowboys (and winning yet another SB) well into the '90s; until Brady came along Montana was considered GOAT by many. The Patriots, I probably could have included 12-15 years in their greatness.
The Bears only won the single SB, but their 85 team was as dominant as any team ever and the franchise owned its division for a decade.
KC has a chance to stake its claim among these greats. First let's see what they do in two weeks. Then let's see what they do for the next couple/few years.
One thing for sure: These Chiefs sure are fun to watch. Mahomes is a blast - both supremely talented and extraordinarily exciting. I hope this proves to be a "generational team," because that means Mahomes will have stayed healthy and effective for years.
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I thought it was kind of wild that KC played the AFC title game at home 3 years in row, no other AFC team had done it. The only other NFC team to do it (or at least most recent)...Andy Reid in Philly.
Really happy the Chiefs are doing what they’re doing cause Reid is an awesome coach and a great guy who has always had baffling time/end of game situations tarnish what is really a pretty incredible coaching resume
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Best long-stretch teams I've seen since I've been old enough to know better (chronological order):
1972-73 Dolphins
1974-79 Steelers
1985 Bears
1988-89 49ers
1992-95 Cowboys
2001-04 Patriots
One thing all of those teams had in common is that they were excellent for a long time in the years before, after and/or between championships.
For example, the Dolphins made the playoffs for the first time in 1970, lost SB6 the following year, capped the only undefeated season in NFL history by winning SB7, absolutely dominated the league en route to a decisive win in SB8, and lost an epic playoff game to Oakland in 1974. That's a 5-year run for a team filled with HOF players. The Chiefs aren't there, at least not yet.
The Steelers won 4 SBs in 6 years, first with one of the dominant defenses ever and then with a spectacular offense. The Aikman-Smith-Irvin Cowboys won 3 SBs in 4 years and were a great team for a long time. In addition to the back-to-back SBs, the 49ers won 2 other SBs in the '80s and were still competing with the Cowboys (and winning yet another SB) well into the '90s; until Brady came along Montana was considered GOAT by many. The Patriots, I probably could have included 12-15 years in their greatness.
The Bears only won the single SB, but their 85 team was as dominant as any team ever and the franchise owned its division for a decade.
KC has a chance to stake its claim among these greats. First let's see what they do in two weeks. Then let's see what they do for the next couple/few years.
One thing for sure: These Chiefs sure are fun to watch. Mahomes is a blast - both supremely talented and extraordinarily exciting. I hope this proves to be a "generational team," because that means Mahomes will have stayed healthy and effective for years.
I would add the Bart Star Era Packers in the 1960s. I was explaining to my kids, that the Saban Alabama dynasty is what the Packers effectively had in the Pros in the 60s, A great game manager QB with almost an entire lineup of All Stars, no drama and just grinding out championships.
From my perspective would also Add the Cowboys in the 70s to the list above. They were in 5 super Bowls and won 2 in that time span, which was dominated by the Dolphins and Steelers as you point out. Their games with the Steelers were classics.
KC is positioned for great things. Mahomes has extreme talent, a very good head coach and some incredible supporting cast teammates.
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Not that they have any inside knowledge at all, but Kornheiser and Wilbon each is certain that Rodgers has played his last game for the Packers.
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Not that they have any inside knowledge at all, but Kornheiser and Wilbon each is certain that Rodgers has played his last game for the Packers.
Maybe I should ask my 80 year old neighbor who moved here from England two years ago. That’s just as meaningful.
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Not that they have any inside knowledge at all, but Kornheiser and Wilbon each is certain that Rodgers has played his last game for the Packers.
I cannot believe the noise nationally about this. It is beyond ridiculous and will not happen! The Packers are not going to force Rodgers out after this season with 3 years left on his contract to give our QB job to a guy who was a healthy inactive all season and hasn’t thrown an NFL pass. He’s never appeared in a preseason game even. Just because he’s being groomed to replace Rodgers, he’s nowhere near ready and won’t be in 8 months.
Boyle is an UDFA, so count him as no chance either.
The media touting this story are either just trying to get attention with their hot take, or just unbelievably stupid.
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I cannot believe the noise nationally about this. It is beyond ridiculous and will not happen! The Packers are not going to force Rodgers out after this season with 3 years left on his contract to give our QB job to a guy who was a healthy inactive all season and hasn’t thrown an NFL pass. He’s never appeared in a preseason game even. Just because he’s being groomed to replace Rodgers, he’s nowhere near ready and won’t be in 8 months.
Boyle is an UDFA, so count him as no chance either.
The media touting this story are either just trying to get attention with their hot take, or just unbelievably stupid.
Except it wouldn’t be GB forcing him out. Maybe before popping off, actually pay attention to what caused people to run with that theory...
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Except it wouldn’t be GB forcing him out. Maybe before popping off, actually pay attention to what caused people to run with that theory...
Heat of the moment comments after a devastating loss. He loves LaFleur’s offense and has consistently said he wants to finish his career a Packer. He’s never hinted before a desire to play anywhere else.
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Except it wouldn’t be GB forcing him out. Maybe before popping off, actually pay attention to what caused people to run with that theory...
And it would certainly be Packers pulling the trigger to move on based on his contract. Rodgers has zero leverage to make anything happen other than retiring.
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And it would certainly be Packers pulling the trigger to move on based on his contract. Rodgers has zero leverage to make anything happen other than retiring.
Stars always have leverage.
But I don't think he is going anywhere - except maybe to another NFC Championship game in GB next year.
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Not that they have any inside knowledge at all, but Kornheiser and Wilbon each is certain that Rodgers has played his last game for the Packers.
I agree he'll now force his way out, hey?
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Of course he has leverage.
He has the same kind of leverage Emmitt Smith did years ago when he forced the Cowboys to give him a new contract, and at least as much leverage as Watson does now in Houston.
I tend to think this will be smoothed over, and he'll be back at the helm in GB next season. But I obviously don't know that for sure, and neither does anybody else. Not even Rodgers or LaFleur.
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Rodgers will not finish his career in Green Bay, his contact and the drafting of Love guarantee it. Pay no attention to him having three years left on his contract. There’s a 0.0% chance he plays year 2023 on that current deal.
If, big if, he wanted out for the 2021 season, the Packers wouldn’t do anything until after June 1st. Time will heal whatever perceived wounds exist, the Packers can make moves in the draft and free agency to help address any perceived roster issues.
After 2021 is when things were always going to get interesting. Rodgers carries a modest dead cap number in 2022, and your now in an odd position with Love where you’ve lost two years to help decide on the looming fifth year option. This was always eventually going to be an issue they were going to have to deal with.
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Tom goes to Tampa and suddenly the Rays go to the World Series, Bucs go to the Super Bowl, and Lightning win the Stanley Cup. Greatness is contagious.
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Belichick was holding him back.
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Amazing what a top tier defense with a hellacious pass rush and the best WR grouping in the NFL can do for you. Let’s you win a NFC championship game despite being horrific and throwing 3 picks in critical moments
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Amazing what a top tier defense with a hellacious pass rush and the best WR grouping in the NFL can do for you. Let’s you win a NFC championship game despite being horrific and throwing 3 picks in critical moments
I mean, he was pretty dang good in the first half (and first possession of the second half) in getting them an 18 point lead.
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Favre thinks the comments were in the moment and nothing to worry about.
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Belichick was holding him back.
This made me chuckle, but ...
As a head coach, Belichick has never been to a Super Bowl without Tom Brady as his QB ... but Tom Brady has been to a Super Bowl without Belichick as his coach.
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I mean, he was pretty dang good in the first half (and first possession of the second half) in getting them an 18 point lead.
He threw a single 8 yard TD pass ::) And then was 2-6 for 15 yards and 2 picks his next 2 possessions. He was good in the first half, but if the Packers did ANYTHING in the second half, he would single handed my have given the game away (shrug)
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Rodgers will not finish his career in Green Bay, his contact and the drafting of Love guarantee it. Pay no attention to him having three years left on his contract. There’s a 0.0% chance he plays year 2023 on that current deal.
If, big if, he wanted out for the 2021 season, the Packers wouldn’t do anything until after June 1st. Time will heal whatever perceived wounds exist, the Packers can make moves in the draft and free agency to help address any perceived roster issues.
After 2021 is when things were always going to get interesting. Rodgers carries a modest dead cap number in 2022, and your now in an odd position with Love where you’ve lost two years to help decide on the looming fifth year option. This was always eventually going to be an issue they were going to have to deal with.
I agree with this if Love has a good preseason and is showing that he may be able to be the guy. If he sucks or they have doubts, they aren't going to force Rodgers out. They could trade Love next year for peanuts, draft another QB early in 2022 and move on from Rodgers after 2023.
They could also restructure the contract if they desire.
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I agree with this if Love has a good preseason and is showing that he may be able to be the guy. If he sucks or they have doubts, they aren't going to force Rodgers out. They could trade Love next year for peanuts, draft another QB early in 2022 and move on from Rodgers after 2023.
They could also restructure the contract if they desire.
Probably the path of least resistance would be for Green Bay to approach Rodgers about ripping up his current deal and negotiate new paper. He will never play in 2023 in GB under his current deal, there’s no chance.
He’d probably (rightfully) ask for $40 M AAV. It’d probably be 4 years on paper, but in reality a two year deal, and push the cap consequences into Love’s fifth year option. They can manipulate the signing bonus to create needed cap space for 2021. They’ll pay the piper from ‘23-‘24.
I could see that happening in the end here.
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He threw a single 8 yard TD pass ::) And then was 2-6 for 15 yards and 2 picks his next 2 possessions. He was good in the first half, but if the Packers did ANYTHING in the second half, he would single handed my have given the game away (shrug)
And if Rodgers would’ve thrown an 8 yard touchdown pass the Packers might have gone to the Super Bowl. He was great in the first half and bad in the second half and he’s on his way to his 10th Super Bowl.
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Probably the path of least resistance would be for Green Bay to approach Rodgers about ripping up his current deal and negotiate new paper. He will never play in 2023 in GB under his current deal, there’s no chance.
He’d probably (rightfully) ask for $40 M AAV. It’d probably be 4 years on paper, but in reality a two year deal, and push the cap consequences into Love’s fifth year option. They can manipulate the signing bonus to create needed cap space for 2021. They’ll pay the piper from ‘23-‘24.
I could see that happening in the end here.
Yeah there was an article written by Rob Demovsky today that basically said that an option could be the Packers recommitting to Rodgers by guaranteeing more of his money and even trading Love as a fire sale.
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From Mike Sando, The Athletic's NFL writer:
It was impossible finding anyone in the league who thought LaFleur was correct in trying the field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8-yard line with 2:09 remaining, the Packers possessing all three timeouts and Tampa Bay leading 31-23.
Sando also said he thinks Rodgers will be a Packer next season but that anything is possible after that.
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From Mike Sando, The Athletic's NFL writer:
It was impossible finding anyone in the league who thought LaFleur was correct in trying the field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8-yard line with 2:09 remaining, the Packers possessing all three timeouts and Tampa Bay leading 31-23.
Sando also said he thinks Rodgers will be a Packer next season but that anything is possible after that.
Interesting. I did see somewhere that it did raise our win chance from 25% to 27.5%. Not sure if that’s accurate.
Mi would have been interested to see what it would have been if it was 4th and Goal from the 3. I think giving Rodgers the option to run knowing there was another down would have helped.
You also could have gotten a penalty on the 4th down play. Granted, with the way the game was being called, that was unlikely. Well, except for one play.
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Favre thinks the comments were in the moment and nothing to worry about.
That is a red flag for me, because if there is one thing I know about Brett Favre is that he is famously wrong about almost everything.
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Interesting. I did see somewhere that it did raise our win chance from 25% to 27.5%. Not sure if that’s accurate.
The stats I saw said that it went from 9% to 10% by going for it. However if they succeeded in going for it, they had a 24% chance of winning versus 9% with made FG. Had they failed going for it, their chances of winning were only 4% if they missed, but 4 v. 9 isn't that much of a difference.
The leap to 24% on the upside, versus little downside risk, is why going for it makes sense.
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Yeah there was an article written by Rob Demovsky today that basically said that an option could be the Packers recommitting to Rodgers by guaranteeing more of his money and even trading Love as a fire sale.
Trading Love now would be stupid, no need. Rodgers will be 38 he could go down at any time.
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LeFleur has about (generously) 1/2 the weapons that Mac had to work with and made an offense that is much better than Mac's offenses were towards the end of his time in Green Bay. The Packers defense would've needed a stop even if they got a touchdown and a two point conversion. With the two minute warning and all 3 timeouts left, having given up 10 second half points, 7 of which came after the offense turned the ball over and gave it to the Bucs in a first and goal situation on their first drive of the second half, it gives you a chance to win the game rather than needing to convert a 4th and 8, then a 2 point conversion, then get a stop, then win the game in overtime.
The problem came when the Packers couldn't move the ball off of turnovers that were keeping them in the game.
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The stats I saw said that it went from 9% to 10% by going for it. However if they succeeded in going for it, they had a 24% chance of winning versus 9% with made FG. Had they failed going for it, their chances of winning were only 4% if they missed, but 4 v. 9 isn't that much of a difference.
The leap to 24% on the upside, versus little downside risk, is why going for it makes sense.
Interesting numbers.
Several times in the game, it seemed LaFleur was playing not to lose. Kicking that FG stood out, of course, because it was at the end of the game. But LaFleur's horrendous clock management at the end of the first half was even more egregious to me.
The way he treated that situation and the way Arians treated it were so night-and-day that it was almost comical. One guy played not to lose and kitten-footed around even wanting to let his HOF QB set up a FG attempt; the other went for the jugular and let his HOF QB throw a TD bomb. It ended up resulting in at least a 10-point swing. Ballgame!
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So Rodgers' words look like they were overblown
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1354144683455348737?s=20
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So Rodgers' words look like they were overblown
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1354144683455348737?s=20
Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he’s a little more like Favre than we’d probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.
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Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he’s a little more like Favre than we’d probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.
Undoubtedly. And it plays on fan's insecurities too.
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Packers fired their special teams guy.
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Packers fired their special teams guy.
I didn’t realize until reading this sorry that Pettine’s contract is also expiring and has not been extended yet.
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Packers fired their special teams guy.
You mean I won't get to say "the worst special teams" ad nauseum? :'(
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I didn’t realize until reading this sorry that Pettine’s contract is also expiring and has not been extended yet.
They’d be crazy to bring him back and I don’t think they will. His fate was sealed on end of first half TD.
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Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he’s a little more like Favre than we’d probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.
100%
But I think what Rodgers is demanding is some clarity on his future. What are GB's plans for JLove? He has certainly earned that right. Also, he may want his contract re-worked as proof of that. Right now, he is in the same salary bracket as Wentz and Goff. It is not unreasonable to expect to be paid like Watson or Mahomes.
Reworking the contract could also give some salary relief - as well as setting his future with the team.
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They’d be crazy to bring him back and I don’t think they will. His fate was sealed on end of first half TD.
Please. Please.
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Packers fired their special teams guy.
Needed to do it. One of worst in NFL.
Please let the replacement be someone whose coordinated good NFL ST units before. They’ve sucked forever in this area because they always hire guys with zero track record leading their own NFL unit. Time to stop on the job learning.
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Please. Please.
Are you advocating keeping Pettine?
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Are you advocating keeping Pettine?
No. I've been pretty clear that I wanted him gone.
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No. I've been pretty clear that I wanted him gone.
I think we’ll get our wish. He was damn near fired after disaster in last season’s NFC championship game
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Oh, did the Pack have a Special Teams coach, hey!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronNagler/status/1354620875019071491
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Texans hire Ravens asst coach David Culley. Believe he is 65 years old, was passing coordinator and wr coach. Never an offensive coordinator, so never called plays.
Pretty shocking to be honest
That should go over real well with Texan players and fans.
As Jets fan, we’ll give them #2 overall this year, Seattle’s #1 next year, and another #1 down the road for Watson. He is good as gone now, probably to Miami, where he requested though.
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So the Texans hire a 65 year old first time head coach, who has never been a coordinator, never called plays and was the "passing game coordinator" for a team that rarely passed the ball and when they did was pretty simplistic.
And they like him because he commands the room and will be like a CEO. He will leave it to the coordinators to run the show.
OK then...
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In comparison, the Lions look smart. And that ain't easy.
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So the Texans hire a 65 year old first time head coach, who has never been a coordinator, never called plays and was the "passing game coordinator" for a team that rarely passed the ball and when they did was pretty simplistic.
And they like him because he commands the room and will be like a CEO. He will leave it to the coordinators to run the show.
OK then...
I kind of find it hilarious that with all the Bieniemy drama and discussions of minority coaches being hired, Leslie Frazier is an option...the Texans go and hire an minority coach on NOBODY’s radar that makes very little sense. Just totally on brand for that mess of an organization.
That’s no disrespect to Culley and he may end up being a good hire, the optics are just a bit amusing
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Needed to do it. One of worst in NFL.
Please let the replacement be someone whose coordinated good NFL ST units before. They’ve sucked forever in this area because they always hire guys with zero track record leading their own NFL unit. Time to stop on the job learning.
Lol looks like they'll be promoting from within with their #2 from the special teams staff.
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Dan Culley worked with Andy Reid for 16 years. He also recently worked with Sean McDermott in Buffalo. McDermott of course, also worked with Reid for a decade, some of it with Culley.
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Dan Culley worked with Andy Reid for 16 years. He also recently worked with Sean McDermott in Buffalo. McDermott of course, also worked with Reid for a decade, some of it with Culley.
He's been a lifetime position coach. Its pretty rare for a first time coach at 60+ years old to be a success, much less someone who has never even been a coordinator before.
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He's been a lifetime position coach. Its pretty rare for a first time coach at 60+ years old to be a success, much less someone who has never even been a coordinator before.
Can't disagree that it's not common. But that's part of his background of explaining why in part he's getting an opportunity.
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Lol looks like they'll be promoting from within with their #2 from the special teams staff.
Oh. My. Lord.
This is why their special teams has been near bottom of the league almost every year.
It is mind boggling to fire a guy because you’re unhappy with performance and feel it can be improved, only to replace him with the fired guy’s assistant. Beyond stupid!! If Drayton is qualified for the job, why was there special teams a disaster with his help coordinating???
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Oh. My. Lord.
This is why their special teams has been near bottom of the league almost every year.
It is mind boggling to fire a guy because you’re unhappy with performance and feel it can be improved, only to replace him with the fired guy’s assistant. Beyond stupid!! If Drayton is qualified for the job, why was there special teams a disaster with his help coordinating???
Everybody that wants Stan to replace Wojo is firing up their talking points.
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Wasn't Ron Zook promoted in the same way that Drayton was, and the special teams got even worse?
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Everybody that The one Scooper who wants Stan to replace Wojo is firing up their his talking points.
FIFY
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Wasn't Ron Zook promoted in the same way that Drayton was, and the special teams got even worse?
Zook did get promoted that way, but their special teams were actually decent, nothing great, under him. Probably best they’ve been in McCarthy/ LaFleur years.
Think the guy you’re talking about is Shawn Slocum. Promoted from assistant after guy ahead of him was fired, and they got worse under his watch. He was terrible.
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Zook did get promoted that way, but their special teams were actually decent, nothing great, under him. Probably best they’ve been in McCarthy/ LaFleur years.
Think the guy you’re talking about is Shawn Slocum. Promoted from assistant after guy ahead of him was fired, and they got worse under his watch. He was terrible.
No, no. Ron Zook's special teams were abysmal too. Cost us games. Of course the punter and fg kicker were pretty good... but the coverage and return teams were abysmal.
And I'm pretty sure they cost us some important games. ;)
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No, no. Ron Zook's special teams were abysmal too. Cost us games. Of course the punter and fg kicker were pretty good... but the coverage and return teams were abysmal.
And I'm pretty sure they cost us some important games. ;)
It was a mixed bag under him, but he lifted their units to 17th in 2015 after a last place finish the year before under Slocum, and 16th place in 2017. His other two years weren’t good.
I honestly don’t remember important game his unit blew? Bostick/ Seattle was under Slocum.
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Confirmed Pettine won’t be renewed.
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Confirmed Pettine won’t be renewed.
I suppose they’ll promote from within instead of getting someone who can get the job done.
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Be prepared for them to promote from within. IMO Jerry Gray was brought here on a parallel move in the off-season for a reason.
And I know they like some of the other position coaches, like Jerry Montgomery on the DL, so they are going to want to keep some of those guys around.
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Be prepared for them to promote from within. IMO Jerry Gray was brought here on a parallel move in the off-season for a reason.
And I know they like some of the other position coaches, like Jerry Montgomery on the DL, so they are going to want to keep some of those guys around.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all either. I just think they’re doing team a disservice by not seriously considering outside candidates, which Drayton’s hire seems to have been.
I might be ok with Gray and think too he’ll get the job. He’s been a coordinator, although think his results were just ok. But he is apparently well respected around the league.
A guy I read about last night that is very intriguing to me is 49ers defensive line coach, Kris Kocurek. Part of Saleh’s staff, defensive line was excellent under him, players love him apparently. Seems like he checks all the boxes of rising coaching star, and more than ready for promotion. Someone will give him the opportunity soon I bet. Wish it would be Green Bay.
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I have no idea if he’d be any better than Gray. And I have no idea if Gray will be the guy. At this point I just have to trust those making the decisions.
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Maebee dale resurrect Wade Phillips, hey?
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Maebee dale resurrect Wade Phillips, hey?
He’s a great coordinator.
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Maebee dale resurrect Wade Phillips, hey?
Honestly not a bad idea.
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Honestly not a bad idea.
He’ll be 74 by next summer. How long before you’re looking for his replacement, 3 years at the outside?
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Realistically, that's the upper limit for Rodgers and his window of opportunity anyway, hey?
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Realistically, that's the upper limit for Rodgers and his window of opportunity anyway, hey?
Yeah, I agree. I’d put it probably two years. But that’s a good point with respect to Phillips. Has to be win now and urgency.
I’d be shocked if they would do it. Very un Packer like for such a bold move on their coaching staff.
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I didn't realize he was that old, but still 3 years is fine for a coordinator. A good young one could be a head coach in that time.
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Yeah, I agree. I’d put it probably two years. But that’s a good point with respect to Phillips. Has to be win now and urgency.
I’d be shocked if they would do it. Very un Packer like for such a bold move on their coaching staff.
Him and Lafleur were on the same staff in LA. Might not be a total long shot.
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Stafford to the rams for goff and 2 first round picks, per adam schefter
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That’s a lot for a guy with a couple years left.
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Texans have to be licking their lips.
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Hmm...
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Stafford to the rams for goff and 2 first round picks, per adam schefter
The Lions actually won a trade. This is the best I’ve felt about anything the Lions have done since ???
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That’s a lot for a guy with a couple years left.
More than a lot... Good for Detroit.
Stafford turning 33 next week, so he has more than a couple left. Always liked him, let’s see how a change of scenery and different offense does for him.
Goff probably devastated, going from LA to Detroit, good grief. But, he has a massive salary and he’ll survive.
Houston going to want four number ones now for Watson, Jets not gonna do that.
Should be very interesting now that the first QB domino has fallen.
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Essentially all that happened here is the Lions are paying $43 million for two firsts and a third.
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Who even has the capital to get Watson at this point?
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Stafford 27 million a year, believe two years left.
Goff 33 million a year.
Detroit only gets a third rounder this year, then number ones in 2022 and 2023.
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I don't think this is going to have much bearing on a Watson trade.
The Rams had to pay a ton to get the Goff contract off their hands.
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This trade should have zero bearing on Watson and any trade compensation. This was a classic NBA style trade.
I don’t know if Goff will ever play a down for Detroit. The Lions simply paid cash for three draft picks.
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https://twitter.com/BearDownJohnson/status/1355722250129985540?s=19
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Goff probably devastated, going from LA to Detroit, good grief. But, he has a massive salary and he’ll survive.
Lifelong Cali kid playing in LA for an innovative offense driven HC....now goes to Detroit with meathead Campbell. Sheesh. At least he has Anthony Lynn to work with
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The Rams chasing bad money by throwing assets away. That Goff contract should be a valuable lesson for any team to not extend a first round pick after year 3. I should re-state something, I don’t think Goff starts for Detroit. He’s just going to be there because he contractually has to be for at least two years. He’s simply the cost of doing business in this deal.
It’s a weird NFL trade, in the sense that both teams were openly public about trading their QB’s. The Rams were desperate to get out of Goff’s contract, the Lions were most likely getting offers of a 2021 1st and a mid round pick for Stafford. I don’t know if either team really “wins” here. The Lions get that capital, but now carry a player with negative value at a massive dollar amount for two years.
The Watson takes that are out there are so dumb. Whatever Watson is worth isn’t changing based on this deal, at all.
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This trade should have zero bearing on Watson and any trade compensation.
Agree with you (and Sultan) here.
But I also agree with jesmu's suggestion that few if any teams have what the Texans seem to want for Watson.
I'd love the Panthers to get him, and they're often mentioned as a possibility, but I just don't see how it could happen.
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I don’t think Goff starts for Detroit. He’s just going to be there because he contractually has to be for at least two years. He’s simply the cost of doing business in this deal.
I agree that he’s likely not their long term QB of the future, but you really believe he’s not going to start? He’s not elite, but he was good enough to get them to the playoffs 3 of 4 years, 2 Pro Bowls, and a Super Bowl. Surely that’s better than Blough or a 35 year old Chase Daniel. I can’t see them paying money for a guy in free agency when they have a starting caliber QB on a huge deal for a few years. And they have other big needs in the draft.
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I agree that he’s likely not their long term QB of the future, but you really believe he’s not going to start? He’s not elite, but he was good enough to get them to the playoffs 3 of 4 years, 2 Pro Bowls, and a Super Bowl. Surely that’s better than Blough or a 35 year old Chase Daniel. I can’t see them paying money for a guy in free agency when they have a starting caliber QB on a huge deal for a few years. And they have other big needs in the draft.
I think Detroit’s starter next year is going to be drafted in April. If anything, this trade gives them capital to move up from 7.
I mean maybe Goff starts weeks 1-6 as a seat warmer for Fields or Wilson, but if you asked me to put an o/u for Goff career starts as a Lion, I’d have it at 8.5.
Now if the Lions decide to tank 2021, that’s a different story. That option exists where they throw Goff out there with a bad offensive group, and they tank for Howell. The Lions are not going to be good in ‘21 no matter who they draft. Their roster is thin, all of their wideouts are UFA’s, Okudah needs to stay on the field and improve...it’s not pleasant.
I’ll put it a different way, if Goff was their clear cut starter, I don’t think this trade happens at 10pm on a Saturday night.
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Goff starts next year in Detroit unless they ship him out for more picks. Pencil the Rams in for the NFC championship game.
New Lions GM came from the Rams.
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Goff starts next year in Detroit unless they ship him out for more picks. Pencil the Rams in for the NFC championship game.
New Lions GM came from the Rams.
I would certainly not pencil the Rams in for the NFC Championship game. Heck, playing in the West, I wouldn’t even guarantee a Playoff spot. If the 49ers get a quarterback and get healthy, they’re not guaranteed to be better than anyone in their own division.
Then the Packers will still be good, the Bucs will still be good, if the Saints get a quarterback they will still be good. Stafford is good and makes the Rams better. But I don’t think he takes them from a 6 seed and makes them a machine.
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Stafford out of Detroit is going to be a revelation.
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I think the Rams will be better with Stafford, but I never viewed Stafford as a guy who would be elite if he were out of Detroit. That being said, with that defense I can certainly see the Rams taking that next step. They were only one step away from the conference championship this year so that's hardly a preposterous notion.
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Two 1st round picks sounds great, but a huge difference between top 5-10 pick and 25-30 pick. These are 2late 1st rounders and a late 3rd. Plus a very average (at best QB).
My opinion is a win for the Rams. Got rid of Goff contract and can re-work Stanford’s to open cap space.
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Stafford gives the Rams a shot at the Super Bowl. Lion are into their latest rebuild. Win, win.
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I would certainly not pencil the Rams in for the NFC Championship game. Heck, playing in the West, I wouldn’t even guarantee a Playoff spot. If the 49ers get a quarterback and get healthy, they’re not guaranteed to be better than anyone in their own division.
Then the Packers will still be good, the Bucs will still be good, if the Saints get a quarterback they will still be good. Stafford is good and makes the Rams better. But I don’t think he takes them from a 6 seed and makes them a machine.
On paper I think they are definitely better than the Cards in the West. And right now certainly better than the 49ers(this could change with health and adding a QB of their own).
To be honest, barring some significant moves I think Stafford also makes them better than Seattle. They have a massive edge on D. The offensive skill players are about equal. O line is edge to the Rams. Now Seattle loses their heavy QB edge(Russ is still better of course).
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If Stafford stays healthy, I'd definitely make the Rams the favorite out West.
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Anywhere but New England. Not seeking a reunion with Patricia? Weird.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2021/01/31/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-trade-new-england-patriots-matt-patricia/4331785001/
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Is my dislike of the Badgers clouding my judgement? I feel like Jim Leonhard would be an underwhelming choice for DC.
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Is my dislike of the Badgers clouding my judgement? I feel like Jim Leonhard would be an underwhelming choice for DC.
They were talking a bunch about him as an option last week on MKE sports radio, and I figured it was just standard local nonsense chatter like “oh let’s mention the homegrown DC of the Badgers, what a cool story if he went to GB too”. But I agree with you. And I’m not even a Packers fan. Just feel like they could do better than a fairly inexperienced college coordinator
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Disagree. Who knows if anyone will be good or not. Lefleur, while he had NFL coachin' experience was a "gamble." Maybe bringing in some young stuff, who played in the League, will be someone the playas can relate to, rather than recycling the old farts, aina?
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I'm with 4ever. Leonhard is a 3-4 guy who played in Pettine's system so he knows what the player's know. He had a tremendous reputation in the league as a player and will likely be a college coach somewhere in the next couple of years if he wants to go in that direction.
I am not saying he would be the best option. I really don't know enough to know. But I can certainly see why they would be interested.
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Meanwhile, you have GOT to be F-ing kidding me.
https://twitter.com/brobnfl/status/1357764256398270466?s=10
Don’t fire Pace and give him another year to absolutely obliterate the franchise from the inside. Can’t wait to see what they give up for a dude who was HORRIFIC all season
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Meanwhile, you have GOT to be F-ing kidding me.
https://twitter.com/brobnfl/status/1357764256398270466?s=10
Don’t fire Pace and give him another year to absolutely obliterate the franchise from the inside. Can’t wait to see what they give up for a dude who was HORRIFIC all season
(https://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Nick-Offerman-%E2%80%93-Lol.gif)
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Meanwhile, you have GOT to be F-ing kidding me.
https://twitter.com/brobnfl/status/1357764256398270466?s=10
Don’t fire Pace and give him another year to absolutely obliterate the franchise from the inside. Can’t wait to see what they give up for a dude who was HORRIFIC all season
unnatural carnal knowledge. Me.
There was absolutely zero question Pace was going to do whatever it took to get the best QB out there (in his opinion) so there would be some chance at success next year so that he could keep his job.
Translate: Ownership gave Pace the ability to screw-over the future of the franchise in order to keep his own job. They permitted a culture of individual>team.
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There are rumors that the Raiders wanna gun for Watson so Carr would be available. If the Bears were in that sweepstakes, I would get it. I don’t love Carr but he’s played at a high level recently and just had a nice season.
Wentz, for any meaningful value like they are reporting the Eagles want, is just...wow
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Jim Leonard to GB? He's the heir apparent in Madison, but I don't see Chryst leaving for quite a while.
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Yikes, Britt Reid, Andy Reid’s kid, hit a couple vehicles, one of which had run out of gas in KC last night. Life threatening injuries to one kid, injuries to another. Admitted to having a few drinks. Not good.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30842264/kansas-city-chiefs-assistant-coach-britt-reid-involved-multi-car-crash-life-threatening-injuries (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30842264/kansas-city-chiefs-assistant-coach-britt-reid-involved-multi-car-crash-life-threatening-injuries)
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britt has a little history with "stuff" going back to 2007-2008 or so. hope the victims, particularly the 5 year old is ok. if that kid doesn't make it, britt's story is a whole lot different. interesting they said britt's injuries were minimal but he is being holed up in a hospital some where.
odds are still kc -3/56
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I'm with 4ever. Leonhard is a 3-4 guy who played in Pettine's system so he knows what the player's know. He had a tremendous reputation in the league as a player and will likely be a college coach somewhere in the next couple of years if he wants to go in that direction.
I am not saying he would be the best option. I really don't know enough to know. But I can certainly see why they would be interested.
Dont know much about Leonhard because I do not follow the Badgers. He does seem highly regarded. My concern is if you didnt like Pettine and his system, why would you hire a Pettine disciple who runs a variation of the same system?
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Jim Leonard to GB? He's the heir apparent in Madison, but I don't see Chryst leaving for quite a while.
He turned down the Packers, so now you know where he has thrown his lot.
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Dont know much about Leonhard because I do not follow the Badgers. He does seem highly regarded. My concern is if you didnt like Pettine and his system, why would you hire a Pettine disciple who runs a variation of the same system?
Maybe LaFleur doesn’t think the system was the problem. Calls and execution were.
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Looks like Packers are going with Rams LB coach Joe Barry, per Demovsky
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yuck!!
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yuck!!
No one knows how these guys are going to do.
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Yeah, I have no idea if this is a good hire or not. But the Rams defense was great this year.
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Big shocker that a McVay guy grabbed a McVay guy
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John Lynch getting to the HOF before Leroy Butler is a load of horsesh*t.
But Charles Woodson is absolutely deserving on the first ballot.
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No one knows how these guys are going to do.
True. But he does have a history as a DC. Not pretty.
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John Lynch getting to the HOF before Leroy Butler is a load of horsesh*t.
But Charles Woodson is absolutely deserving on the first ballot.
I'd have been happy to see Woodson out there a couple of weeks ago rather than King and Sullivan.
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John Lynch getting to the HOF before Leroy Butler is a load of horsesh*t.
But Charles Woodson is absolutely deserving on the first ballot.
The only justification is that they're taking John Lynch's career after playing into account. But he's being inducted as a safety. Butler not being in is a travesty. Been retired for almost two decades, and he is the only player from the All-90s decade team (I don't count the special teamers) in the HOF.
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Looks like a pretty full stadium in Tampa for the Stuper Bowl. Oh, the irony! Money talks and bullchit walks, aina?
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Oh yeah, its Florida, the land of the free, aina?
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Optical illusion...
https://t.co/RIaJAqO1qE
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DDS easily fooled again?
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Surprised at how competitive the Bucs have been so far.
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Chiefs makeshift OL is TERRIBLE. Mahomes may get lucky with the Bucs OL gassing out cause they keep sprinting past turnstiles
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Old guys rock!
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Did McCarthy call those timeouts for KC?
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If TB holds on here, it will cement Brady as GOAT. Mahomes will never be able to pass him.
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This game sucks ass, hey?
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If TB holds on here, it will cement Brady as GOAT.
I’m not a Brady fan, but it’s pretty hard to argue otherwise.
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Certainly not the refs from Lambeau in this one.
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Did McCarthy call those timeouts for KC?
Exact same thought I had.
Reid really screwed that one up. Risk/reward was almost non-existent. Absolute best case is KC gets the ball with 30 seconds left, no timeouts, and80 yards to go.
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Reid could not possibly have handled those timeouts any worse. Overthinking it. Absolutely handed TB 7 points. Terrible.
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Chiefs look horrendous. Both sides of the ball. Not sure if they came in overconfident, but that was one of the poorer first halves in the Super Bowl of recent memory.
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This game sucks ass, hey?
No, the Chiefs do.
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Tom isn’t the greatest talent to ever play. But he’s the greatest competitor and winner by a wide margin. If the gameplan calls for him to hand it off 40 times in a Super Bowl, he will. If it calls for him to drop back and dink and dunk a team to death, he will.
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The end zone PI into that absurd Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was vintage Patriots Brady nonsense.
The Chiefs really struggling with a terrible pass block and their secondary is scrambling, but they have had EVERY break go against them
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Those two pass interference calls on bucs last drive were ridiculous. Pure bull crap calls basically gave bucs 7 points.
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Those two pass interference calls on bucs last drive were ridiculous. Pure bull crap calls basically gave bucs 7 points.
Evans call wasn’t. He had a shot at least at that ball. And was clearly tripped up.
Call in the end zone I agree.
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Evans call wasn’t. He had a shot at least at that ball. And was clearly tripped up.
Call in the end zone I agree.
Disagree, the contact was incidental. He tripped over Breelands feet while they were both running. That should have been a no call.
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Evans call wasn’t. He had a shot at least at that ball. And was clearly tripped up.
Call in the end zone I agree.
Call on the Evan's play was absurdly bad. Feet getting tangled is not pass interference, it is considered incidental contact. The defenders foot got tangled with Evans, they both went down.
The defender even went out of his way to not contact Evan's besides the foot tangle.
The officials have been gifting calls to Tampa Bay all game. TB is holding non-stop on the perimeter, none of them are being called. Every single possible one is being called against KC...and I hate Mahomes and KC, but they are being screwed.
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Call on the Evan's play was absurdly bad. Feet getting tangled is not pass interference, it is considered incidental contact. The defenders foot got tangled with Evans, they both went down.
The defender even went out of his way to not contact Evan's besides the foot tangle.
The officials have been gifting calls to Tampa Bay all game. TB is holding non-stop on the perimeter, none of them are being called. Every single possible one is being called against KC...and I hate Mahomes and KC, but they are being screwed.
I can understand disliking the Chiefs (Hill is in the team, after all), but why the hate for Mahomes? He’s awesome and seems like a good guy.
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https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1358577773279924225?s=19
Hmmm .
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Nm
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Disagree, the contact was incidental. He tripped over Breelands feet while they were both running. That should have been a no call.
Looked at it again, Evans foot did kick back and hit Breeland’s left foot. So you’re right, shouldn’t have been flagged.
Very tough for ref to see that however because they didn’t get tangled. And Breeland was beat on the play. That’s going to draw a flag nearly every time.
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Looked at it again, Evans foot did kick back and hit Breeland’s left foot. So you’re right, shouldn’t have been flagged.
Very tough for ref to see that however because they didn’t get tangled. And Breeland was beat on the play. That’s going to draw a flag nearly every time.
You are right about being beat it makes it look like pass interference
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Call on the Evan's play was absurdly bad. Feet getting tangled is not pass interference, it is considered incidental contact. The defenders foot got tangled with Evans, they both went down.
The defender even went out of his way to not contact Evan's besides the foot tangle.
The officials have been gifting calls to Tampa Bay all game. TB is holding non-stop on the perimeter, none of them are being called. Every single possible one is being called against KC...and I hate Mahomes and KC, but they are being screwed.
Some money riding on the Chiefs?
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I can understand disliking the Chiefs (Hill is in the team, after all), but why the hate for Mahomes? He’s awesome and seems like a good guy.
Same reason people hate Giannis
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I probably would have lost some money if someone would have offered me action on “Chiefs won’t score a TD in first half.”
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I can understand disliking the Chiefs (Hill is in the team, after all), but why the hate for Mahomes? He’s awesome and seems like a good guy.
I need to eventually get over my dislike of Mahomes. The more I look into him, he does seem like just a pretty genuinely good guy. It initially stems from four things:
1. I hate the Chiefs.
2. I hate Kansas City.
3. I hate how Kansas City had a bunch of despicable people on their roster, and still do with Hill.
3. I genuinely dislike it when people are immediately crowned the "best".
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Some money riding on the Chiefs?
Nope. I don't be on sports. Just call it like I see it.
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Like a practice for Brady. Drop back and have plenty of time to go through the entire progression. Zero pas rush by KC.
Mahoney? Running for his life on at least half of his snaps.
This game is all about the contrast between the two defenses.
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Officiating has been bad and one-sided. It sucks to have this happen in the Super Bowl.
And yet those officials didn’t force Reid to call those TOs. Nor did they force Kelce to drop a huge third-down pass. Nor did they force a 29-yard punt. Etc, etc, etc. I thought KC would have some trouble in this game. I didn’t think they’d be this bad.
Almost as bad as The Weekend!
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Refs are mattering in this one. Too bad the Pack laid an egg two weeks ago.
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Officiating has been bad and one-sided. It sucks to have this happen in the Super Bowl.
And yet those officials didn’t force Reid to call those TOs. Nor did they force Kelce to drop a huge third-down pass. Nor did they force a 29-yard punt. Etc, etc, etc. I thought KC would have some trouble in this game. I didn’t think they’d be this bad.
Almost as bad as The Weekend!
They are flat getting embarrassed.
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The Bears beat this team.
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The Bears beat this team.
Relax.
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Same old, same old.
Mahomes sacked. Next play - Mahomes chased leading to int. Brady will get MVP but this game is about the 2defenses. Same as the GB game.
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Relax.
I don’t think you appreciate my sense of humor.
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Game, set, match. Chiefs got their collective asses handed to 'em, aina?
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Game, set, match. Chiefs got their collective asses handed to 'em, aina?
Damn Wojo.
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Yeah Nads, itz like he's coachin' KC, hey?
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Yeah Nads, itz like he's coachin' KC, hey?
Absolutely. He can’t do nuttin’ right.
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Covid couldn't save Woj in this game, doe. Too bad da Pack peed down their leg. It wuz der fore da takin', hey?
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Same old, same old.
Mahomes sacked. Next play - Mahomes chased leading to int. Brady will get MVP but this game is about the 2defenses. Same as the GB game.
seems like the chiefs peaked earlier in the year. GB would have done well tonight. Oh well, all about the defense, you're right. best D in the league right there tonight, that's the difference
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Mahomes is running for his life as soon as it is snapped.
Shaggy commercial was great.
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I think Mahomes has about 350 yards tonight. Most of it backwards and sideways.
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seems like the chiefs peaked earlier in the year. GB would have done well tonight. Oh well, all about the defense, you're right. best D in the league right there tonight, that's the difference
Yes, Tampa’s D is really good at all levels. Very underrated unit.
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Between Bruce Sprinateen, Edward Scissohands and Jason Alexander, these adds really seemed geared to people my age. Which is odd.
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These announcers are absolutely awful. I know the game is a blowout, but their tone makes it sound as though they are doing voiceovers for a funeral.
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Chiefs a fart in the wind?
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Chiefs a fart in the wind?
They kicked butt one quarter last year, and have otherwise been terrible the other 7 quarters of Super Bowl play.
I’d say yes.
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Chiefs a fart in the wind?
how long can they afford all the playmakers they have with Mahomes’ contract?
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Chiefs a fart in the wind?
I was thinking that this reminded me a lot of 32.
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I was thinking that this reminded me a lot of 32.
Me too although 32 was closer
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I know you can’t pull your superstar QB out of the game in the Super Bowl for his own protection, but...
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Chiefs got hosed by injured OL this game.
And the refs.
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how long can they afford all the playmakers they have with Mahomes’ contract?
His contract will be restructured after 2022, his cap number is actually very team friendly.
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Chiefs got hosed by injured OL this game.
The LT for Chiefs also was RT for Panthers 5 years ago. Remmers is an accessory to the Super Bowl murders of both Mahomes and Newton.
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How many blitzes did TB run? Any? I don’t remember many games where a team was this dominant with just a four man rush. If you can get that kind of pressure on the QB with just a four man rush, you’re going to win.
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Chiefs got hosed by injured OL this game.
And the refs.
Against GB and KC, 3 of 4 starting tackles were out with injuries. That helps make a defense look good.
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Between Bruce Sprinateen, Edward Scissohands and Jason Alexander, these adds really seemed geared to people my age. Which is odd.
Shaggy was right in the wheelhouse for my generation.
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TB defense deserves SB MVP
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Shaggy was right in the wheelhouse for my generation.
So...not the one from Scooby Doo right?
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Incredible that Kansas City didn’t score a TD.
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We call hate ‘em but Brady will forever be GOAT.
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We call hate ‘em but Brady will forever be GOAT.
There’s no legit argument for anybody else.
LeBron has a better argument vs MJ than the No. 2 all-time QB has vs Brady.
Who’s No. 2? I’m thinking Montana.
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There’s no legit argument for anybody else.
LeBron has a better argument vs MJ than the No. 2 all-time QB has vs Brady.
Who’s No. 2? I’m thinking Montana.
I really like Mahomes, but I wish these announcers would hold off on the “one of the greatest ever” for a few years. I think he might get there, but it strikes me as premature at this point. And that has absolutely nothing to do with this game...just a general comment on throwing those kind of accolades on such a young player.
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Chiefs a fart in the wind?
Best team Wades has ever seen. In his defense, maybe he doesn’t watch much football.
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Best team Wades has ever seen. In his defense, maybe he doesn’t watch much football.
Ahh there was Lenny! Had to definitely wait until the game was over to speak up! Very courageous. Lol.
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Very impressive team win from Tampa Bay. Smart offensive game plan and Defense did what it had to do to neutralize Tyreke Hill and put pressure on Mahomes
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The Bucs defense created absolute chaos, held Mahomes without a TD for the first time ever, made him run FIVE HUNDRED YARDS in scrambles before passes...but sure, give the MVP to Brady who had 200 yards and an average completion of under 7 yards. Lmao, what a joke. Gronk had more of an argument than he did. Brady is a legend but didn’t have a single memorable throw all night
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Chiefs really missed Fisher at LT tonight. I don’t think his playing tonight would have changed outcome though.
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Ahh there was Lenny! Had to definitely wait until the game was over to speak up! Very courageous. Lol.
To be fair, he could have puffed his chest at halftime.
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Chiefs really missed Fisher at LT tonight. I don’t think his playing tonight would have changed outcome though.
A Pro Bowl LT allowing an MVP caliber QB time to make plays, instead of running for his life literally every snap, would have absolutely made a difference. It’s not like they swapped out a mediocre LT for a backup, Fisher is a beast
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To be fair, he could have puffed his chest at halftime.
Right. He could’ve. But there would’ve been a chance he celebrated too early.
Happy for him though. He needed a win.
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Ahh there was Lenny! Had to definitely wait until the game was over to speak up! Very courageous. Lol.
Lol. I was already on record pointing out how lucky they had been this year. They had’t won a game by more than 6 points in more than 2 months before they covered against the Bills. You remember the Bills game, right? AFTER the game was over you came on Scoop bragging about the easy money you won. So are the Bucs now the best team you’ve ever seen? Lol.
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Mahomes ran 497 yards before passed/sacks tonight. Most this year.
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How many blitzes did TB run? Any? I don’t remember many games where a team was this dominant with just a four man rush. If you can get that kind of pressure on the QB with just a four man rush, you’re going to win.
5 blitzes
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5 blitzes
Yeah, I heard them mention that after the game. It was an impressive performance by the DL (obviously aided by injuries).
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The Bucs defense created absolute chaos, held Mahomes without a TD for the first time ever, made him run FIVE HUNDRED YARDS in scrambles before passes...but sure, give the MVP to Brady who had 200 yards and an average completion of under 7 yards. Lmao, what a joke. Gronk had more of an argument than he did. Brady is a legend but didn’t have a single memorable throw all night
I live bet Gronk MVP at +3300 after his first TD.
Having said that, for a defense to hold KC to zero TDs, Devin White should have been MVP.
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I can't recall a SB where the refs had a more outsized effect on the results. They absolutely gifted Brady 14 point in the 1st half. Bucs might still have won because of their defense and KC's makeshift line, but they might as well have handed Brady the trophy.
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I live bet Gronk MVP at +3300 after his first TD.
Having said that, for a defense to hold KC to zero TDs, Devin White should have been MVP.
He was who I thought, too. All over the field. But it was obvious they were going to give it to Brady, and I'm not one to get outraged by awards and other silliness.
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He was who I thought, too. All over the field. But it was obvious they were going to give it to Brady, and I'm not one to get outraged by awards and other silliness.
Yep. Before the game even started, the MVP was gonna be Brady or Mahomes. Que será será....
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There was no more sentimental favorite than Peyton Manning was in SB50, but Von Miller absolutely wrecked the Panthers and was a pretty obvious MVP.
So if one Buc had a game like that, he could have been MVP even over Brady. But it was a great team defensive performance by the Bucs, and Brady did have 3 TD passes, so it was pretty easy to pick the GOAT.
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Jason Pierre- Paul:
2012 he wrecks havoc and Giants win at Lambeau on their way to winning Super Bowl
2021 He wrecks havoc and Bucs win at Lambeau on their way to winning Super Bowl
in between he blows off 3 fingers playing with fireworks.
https://www.nfl.com/news/former-giants-teammates-support-for-jason-pierre-paul-means-rooting-for-once-ene?campaign=Twitter_atn
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Plus he can do 14 consecutive back flips.
https://nypost.com/2010/04/23/video-pierre-paul-turns-14-backflips/
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Pack shoulda hired TB's DC, aina?
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Should have watched the puppy bowl. More competitive.
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I really like Mahomes, but I wish these announcers would hold off on the “one of the greatest ever” for a few years. I think he might get there, but it strikes me as premature at this point. And that has absolutely nothing to do with this game...just a general comment on throwing those kind of accolades on such a young player.
Case in point: Patrick Mahomes’ quest to overtake Tom Brady as the GOAT has been put on hold (https://theundefeated.com/features/patrick-mahomes-quest-to-overtake-tom-brady-as-the-goat-has-been-put-on-hold/). Patrick Mahomes is an extremely talented, creative and exciting young quarterback. I think he's more fun to watch than any other QB in the league. Two Super Bowls (and one SB MVP) in his first four years is an extremely impressive accomplishment and a great start on what I think will be an impressive career. But I'd like to respectfully ask sportswriters to place a moratorium on using GOAT and Mahomes in the same sentence for at least five years or three more Super Bowls -- whichever comes first -- to give us all a little more time to assess whether he'll realistically be in the "among the all-time greats" conversation.
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Big shocker that a McVay guy grabbed a McVay guy
That and he’ll run the defensive system LaFleur wants seems his primary qualifications getting the job after Leonhard said no. Very good position coach, not so much as coordinator appears how league views him. Results as coordinator were bad, maybe Detroit wasn’t completely on him they were such a mess then. But results in Washington weren’t good either, and he was their coordinator just two seasons. McVay took a pass on promoting him when the coordinator job was open.
Nothing about this hire indicates a good decision. Pettine’s track record is better.
Very disappointing and doesn’t bode well to get over the top one more time with Rodgers. They better upgrade talent significantly this offseason.
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I really like Mahomes, but I wish these announcers would hold off on the “one of the greatest ever” for a few years. I think he might get there, but it strikes me as premature at this point. And that has absolutely nothing to do with this game...just a general comment on throwing those kind of accolades on such a young player.
Yeah I thought the whole Romo saying "he'll have to win eight now" was absurd. A lot of great quarterbacks have never returned to that pinnacle (Favre, Rodgers, Brees). So the idea that Mahomes is destined to make regular appearances a la Brady is dumb.
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I can't recall a SB where the refs had a more outsized effect on the results. They absolutely gifted Brady 14 point in the 1st half. Bucs might still have won because of their defense and KC's makeshift line, but they might as well have handed Brady the trophy.
I don't think the refs had much impact at all. KC wasn't going to score enough regardless.
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Yeah I thought the whole Romo saying "he'll have to win eight now" was absurd. A lot of great quarterbacks have never returned to that pinnacle (Favre, Rodgers, Brees). So the idea that Mahomes is destined to make regular appearances a la Brady is dumb.
I hate that people act like winning the Super Bowl, suddenly makes you the GOAT.
Marv Fleming has more super bowl victories than any other TE, does that make him the TE GOAT?
How bout Mike Wilson as a WR?
We seem to only do that for QBs, despite the fact that typically, the team that dominates the trenches wins. A QB is really only as good as his OL. Sure, some are genuinely more talented than others, but give an average NFL QB an elite OL, and they suddenly look MVP caliber.
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Yeah I thought the whole Romo saying "he'll have to win eight now" was absurd. A lot of great quarterbacks have never returned to that pinnacle (Favre, Rodgers, Brees). So the idea that Mahomes is destined to make regular appearances a la Brady is dumb.
He also said something along the lines of, "If Mahomes and Brady match up again next year and Mahomes wins, he'll be in the conversation." No. No, he won't. It will be an amazing accomplishment, but three Super Bowls in a row with two wins doesn't put you in the GOAT conversation. It means that you've got an historic start to what looks to be a stellar career (and perhaps the best three-year stretch ever for a QB). But it takes longevity and sustained high-level play to be in the GOAT conversation. Admittedly, SB victories help an awful lot too.
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I hate that people act like winning the Super Bowl, suddenly makes you the GOAT.
Marv Fleming has more super bowl victories than any other TE, does that make him the TE GOAT?
How bout Mike Wilson as a WR?
We seem to only do that for QBs, despite the fact that typically, the team that dominates the trenches wins. A QB is really only as good as his OL. Sure, some are genuinely more talented than others, but give an average NFL QB an elite OL, and they suddenly look MVP caliber.
I don't agree with you that a "QB is only as good as his OL" and that if you give an "average QB an elite OK, and they suddenly look MVP caliber."
Sure if you give them an awful line, they will look ineffective like Mahomes did last night. But the QB is the most important position in the game. And its pretty obvious when one is bad and the other is good.
Look at Tampa. They went 7-9 in 2019 with Winston at QB. They make one change on the OL (Wirfs), not counting Cappa's playoff injury, and they win the Super Bowl. Do you think the OL was significantly better this year? Doubtful. It was the quarterback.
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There’s a certain type of person that seemingly can’t rest until they narrow something down to one thing, even if it can’t be done. Others perhaps just get caught up in the moment.
There’s no such thing as goat, any player, any team,
in any sport. All players/teams, cannot and do not play in all eras under the same circumstances. So it is endless apples to oranges comparison.
Training, coaching, technology, medical, nutrition, playing surface, you could go on and on all change and evolve over time.
The best anyone can say is that team or player is the best or among the best in her or his era. And that’s plenty, it’s fine.
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Some of the Tampa coaching staff:
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It’s all about the defense. If your defense is elite, your chances of winning it all are very good. You just need a competent quarterback who can just make enough plays and avoid game turning mistakes. Peyton Manning’s title with Denver. Trent Dilfer with Baltimore. The ‘85 Bears. The Bucs and Brady. It’s been repeated often.
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I don't think the refs had much impact at all. KC wasn't going to score enough regardless.
That may be true. But the game has an entirely different complexion if Brady isn't gifted those two touchdowns via the refs and it is 7-6 at halftime, and then KC comes out a takes the lead 9-7 after their first 2nd half drive. Bucs defense might still have been too good to lose, I think it is a different ball game.
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That may be true. But the game has an entirely different complexion if Brady isn't gifted those two touchdowns via the refs and it is 7-6 at halftime, and then KC comes out a takes the lead 9-7 after their first 2nd half drive. Bucs defense might still have been too good to lose, I think it is a different ball game.
I don't think they were gifted two. But KC has as much to blame for the TD before half than anything. They were getting the ball to start the 2nd have. Going in at 14-6 would have been just fine. Bad calls happen, but KC put them in a place to let them happen.
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It’s all about the defense. If your defense is elite, your chances of winning it all are very good. You just need a competent quarterback who can just make enough plays and avoid game turning mistakes. Peyton Manning’s title with Denver. Trent Dilfer with Baltimore. The ‘85 Bears. The Bucs and Brady. It’s been repeated often.
You just need good enough balance to win. Balance can be achieved in a variety of ways, equally in all phases, dominant in one area, good enough in others. There have been football teams that have won with better offenses than defenses. Just as in baseball, pitching doesn’t always win championships.
In the NFL, winning the line of scrimmage on one or even better, both, sides is very helpful to being successful. But even that doesn’t guarantee it.
Last night, Tampa was better with both D line and O line, both sides pf t he ball. And they were better on special teams too.
It also didn’t help KC that while getting pressure often with front four, at times a recently injured Mahomes wasn’t able to go lore North South and or get outside laterally as well as he he has done before. Tampa had protection on offense, and played high percentage ball.
There are a variety of ways to win and be successful. The key is to not be very deficient in one or
more areas.
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I don't agree with you that a "QB is only as good as his OL" and that if you give an "average QB an elite OK, and they suddenly look MVP caliber."
Sure if you give them an awful line, they will look ineffective like Mahomes did last night. But the QB is the most important position in the game. And its pretty obvious when one is bad and the other is good.
Look at Tampa. They went 7-9 in 2019 with Winston at QB. They make one change on the OL (Wirfs), not counting Cappa's playoff injury, and they win the Super Bowl. Do you think the OL was significantly better this year? Doubtful. It was the quarterback.
Tampa also went from the 29th best defense (2019-20), to arguably the best defense in the league.
The OL can improve without major changes. Growth in players is important.
Winston was heavily pressured all season last year, had 49 sacks.
Brady had all day, only 21 sacks. The OL was much improved.
And even then, Winston is by no means an "average QB," he went from TB to a backup. Even then, with TB's receivers, and behind an average-poor OL, he led the league in Passing yards last year. He had a ton of interceptions, often because the had to gamble to get back in games.
But...
There’s a certain type of person that seemingly can’t rest until they narrow something down to one thing, even if it can’t be done. Others perhaps just get caught up in the moment.
There’s no such thing as goat, any player, any team,
in any sport. All players/teams, cannot and do not play in all eras under the same circumstances. So it is endless apples to oranges comparison.
Training, coaching, technology, medical, nutrition, playing surface, you could go on and on all change and evolve over time.
The best anyone can say is that team or player is the best or among the best in her or his era. And that’s plenty, it’s fine.
This is the answer. I hate the fact that people insist on naming someone a GOAT, especially when they base it strictly off winning team championships.
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This is the answer. I hate the fact that people insist on naming someone a GOAT, especially when they base it strictly off winning team championships.
Oh I agree with you and shoot here. This is all manufactured sports debate nonsense.
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I can't recall a SB where the refs had a more outsized effect on the results. They absolutely gifted Brady 14 point in the 1st half. Bucs might still have won because of their defense and KC's makeshift line, but they might as well have handed Brady the trophy.
First broad ref in history. Lots of biased calls in favor of Brady. Coincidence? I think not.
(Sarcasm, for the humorless.)
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I was just looking at how insane Charles Woodson's stats were. In his seven seasons with the Packers, he had TEN defensive returns for TDs. (And remember in his last year he only played in seven games due to injury.) In the last seven seasons, they Packers as a team have only had 11.
The second most important FA signing behind Reggie.
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As a Packer fan, I couldn’t help but think if we capitalized on the interceptions against Brady, we’d have a Super Bowl. But at the same time, I don’t know that the Packers defense could have put that much pressure on Mahomes. That was the game changer.
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As a Packer fan, I couldn’t help but think if we capitalized on the interceptions against Brady, we’d have a Super Bowl. But at the same time, I don’t know that the Packers defense could have put that much pressure on Mahomes. That was the game changer.
As a Brown's fan, I can't help but think that if the refs would have called what I think was an obvious targeting penalty, KC wouldn't have even been in the Super Bowl this year (it would have probably been the Bills).
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A few more thoughts on Mahomes:
- I love how he handled himself after the game last night. He's a class act and a good leader. I commented late in the game that I was interested to see how he would respond. He didn't disappoint. Made no excuses, admitted he didn't play as well has he'd like and gave TB all the credit. I really do think he's going to have an exceptional career and I'm looking forward to watching hit happen.
- I really wish he would have connected for the TD on that play in the 4th when he was falling down when he threw it. Wow. I don't know anyone else who could have made that throw. It would have been a great TD to have on his highlight real.
- I wonder if he's going to ask his Mom to stop tweeting.
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After watching that game, I can't help but think that the Britt Reid situation may have had a quietly large impact on the outcome of the game. With Fischer out, I still thought the Chiefs were going to win big, and it was mostly because I thought the Chiefs had the personnel and coaching staff to adjust. I thought Hill would have mvp numbers running 5 yard drag routes with a ton of yac, the screen game would be strong, Kelce would have a big hitter up the seam once the safeties had to drop down. If the Chiefs got out in front, I thought that second half Brady from the GB game would show up, toss a couple to the wrong team, and KC would run away with it.
Instead all KC had was meaningless pre-snap motion and bad rolling pockets that got blown up when the roll side tackle whiffed. We all knew going in that it would be TB's pass rush vs KC's depleted line, and I thought that with two weeks to prepare and the most athletic skill position players in the league, Reid and Bienememy would draw up something a lot better than that.
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I don't think they were gifted two. But KC has as much to blame for the TD before half than anything. They were getting the ball to start the 2nd have. Going in at 14-6 would have been just fine. Bad calls happen, but KC put them in a place to let them happen.
Agree, it was monumentally stupid for Reid to call those timeouts are dare TB to score. The flag on the deep ball was ridiculous, though, the receiver did his best soccer flop.
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I don't think the refs had much impact at all. KC wasn't going to score enough regardless.
Agree. Tampa Bay whipped ‘em at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. 31-9 could have been 38-9 but for a goal line stand. Add the fact that KC was trying to score the entire game and TB did little but run up the middle to eat clock for a quarter. It was a rout that could have been worse.
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Agree. Tampa Bay whipped ‘em at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. 31-9 could have been 38-9 but for a goal line stand. Add the fact that KC was trying to score the entire game and TB did little but run up the middle to eat clock for a quarter. It was a rout that could have been worse.
Bienemy got exposed. He didn't make any adjustments to try and get Hill open, the only thing they had was Kelce. The bloom is off.
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I hate that people act like winning the Super Bowl, suddenly makes you the GOAT.
Marv Fleming has more super bowl victories than any other TE, does that make him the TE GOAT?
How bout Mike Wilson as a WR?
We seem to only do that for QBs, despite the fact that typically, the team that dominates the trenches wins. A QB is really only as good as his OL. Sure, some are genuinely more talented than others, but give an average NFL QB an elite OL, and they suddenly look MVP caliber.
Robert Horry was a greater player than MJ.
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First broad ref in history. Lots of biased calls in favor of Brady. Coincidence? I think not.
(Sarcasm, for the humorless.)
You should be destroyed for this. A good portion of my posts are sarcasm and I get crap all the time. Some broad needs to slap you down (unless of course, that's your thing).
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Bienemy got exposed. He didn't make any adjustments to try and get Hill open, the only thing they had was Kelce. The bloom is off.
Bucs were playing two deep safeties yet Chiefs refused to run the ball much in the first half. The pass rush was obviously getting to Mahomes, why not slow the pass rush down with the run and get the ball out quick on short routes. No, they played right into to Bucs hands.
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First broad ref in history. Lots of biased calls in favor of Brady. Coincidence? I think not.
(Sarcasm, for the humorless.)
All of the other refs have been narrow?
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Super Bowl victories DO matter, especially for QBs. They are the leaders of their teams and the pace-setters of their offenses. Even back in Bob Griese's day -- when he threw 11 and 7 passes as the Dolphins went back-to-back in SB7 and SB8 -- he called the team's plays and made the offense "work." (Though it's notable that he wasn't in the MVP conversation either year, nor should he have been.)
So I think the fact that Brady has won 7 and Montana has won 4 are extremely meaningful in determining in where they rank among QBs all-time.
But SB wins would be less meaningful if they didn't also have great regular-season stats and great playoff performances that helped their teams get to Super Bowls. Bradshaw also won 4, and you rarely him mentioned even in the top 10 all-time. He's an obvious HoFer, but he didn't have the numbers to put him in the same conversation as the likes of Rodgers or Marino.
That Brady went to an entirely different system AT AGE 43, not to mention to a franchise that had mostly been a laughingstock and, in Year 1, led them to the championship ... that's pretty incredible. Talk about the defense and other factors all you want, but Brady absolutely set the tone and the expectations for the Bucs. Heck with winning a title ... TB couldn't have even imagined one without Brady. He made it all possible -- period.
Montana actually played very well KC after he was all but run out of San Fran to make room for Steve Young, just as Favre played superbly for the Vikings. But neither could get their new team to the promised land. Obviously wasn't all their fault (though lots was Favre's fault IMHO), but results are results.
Favre, Rodgers, Marino, Elway, Brees, Fouts, Kelly, Unitas and so many other stars were great great great QBs, obviously. But frankly, I don't see anybody particularly close to Brady. Accomplishments matter. Results matter. Sure, he benefited from those around him ... but lots of fine QBs had lots of fine talent around them and didn't win 2 SBs, let alone effen SEVEN.
As for Mahomes, he is a blast to watch and he's supremely talented. As others have noted, his postgame was class personified. He very well could win more titles -- or could win zero more. I mean, at the time Favre and Rodgers were winning the Super Bowl, is there anybody here who thought neither would ever win another?
It's HARD to win, no matter how good you are or the team around you is -- another reason Brady is by far the GOAT.
I agree with those who thought Romo said a lot of dopey things ... and I really think Romo is a good analyst. He had a lot of time to fill last night!
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You should be destroyed for this. A good portion of my posts are sarcasm and I get crap all the time. Some broad needs to slap you down (unless of course, that's your thing).
LMFAO
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Bucs were playing two deep safeties yet Chiefs refused to run the ball much in the first half. The pass rush was obviously getting to Mahomes, why not slow the pass rush down with the run and get the ball out quick on short routes. No, they played right into to Bucs hands.
Absolutely agree on this take. The way the Chiefs came out running in the second half showed they recognized this failure. But they couldn’t continue doing it very long because their defense wasn’t stopping Tampa.
Surprised Reid wasn’t better prepared. Maybe overconfident Mahomes and their passing game wouldn’t be stopped no matter the defense, his missing tackles, etc.
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I agree with those who thought Romo said a lot of dopey things ... and I really think Romo is a good analyst. He had a lot of time to fill last night!
Honestly, one of the more interesting -- and prescient -- things I heard Romo say was when KC got called for defensive holding the first time. He commented that the KC DBs hold a lot and said, "let's look at the other side on that play and see what happened...see, there it is again..." (obviously paraphrasing). Whether you agree with the calls or not, Romo noted in the first quarter that the Chiefs' DBs tend to have a lot of contact with receivers and it became a big story in the game. Now some might suggest that the fact that Romo noted it and the refs called seems extremely coincidental.
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We seem to only do that for QBs, despite the fact that typically, the team that dominates the trenches wins. A QB is really only as good as his OL. Sure, some are genuinely more talented than others, but give an average NFL QB an elite OL, and they suddenly look MVP caliber.
This comes pretty close to describing Terry Bradshaw. Now he was well above average, but his 4 SB wins were as much a product of the Hall of Famers that protected and surrounded him as anything else. Mike Webster, Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth. And that doesn't touch the incredible 'Steel Curtain' defense.
Yet if you just looked at SB wins, you might think he's the second best QB ever (tied with Montana). But he clearly isn't.
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Honestly, one of the more interesting -- and prescient -- things I heard Romo say was when KC got called for defensive holding the first time. He commented that the KC DBs hold a lot and said, "let's look at the other side on that play and see what happened...see, there it is again..." (obviously paraphrasing). Whether you agree with the calls or not, Romo noted in the first quarter that the Chiefs' DBs tend to have a lot of contact with receivers and it became a big story in the game. Now some might suggest that the fact that Romo noted it and the refs called seems extremely coincidental.
I think part of the story is calling things in the SB. Historically it doesn't happen as often as other times. new England for example, in part won a few Super Bowls grabbing and holding a lot defensively that weren't called as often.
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Honestly, one of the more interesting -- and prescient -- things I heard Romo say was when KC got called for defensive holding the first time. He commented that the KC DBs hold a lot and said, "let's look at the other side on that play and see what happened...see, there it is again..." (obviously paraphrasing). Whether you agree with the calls or not, Romo noted in the first quarter that the Chiefs' DBs tend to have a lot of contact with receivers and it became a big story in the game. Now some might suggest that the fact that Romo noted it and the refs called seems extremely coincidental.
You're right. That was an excellent observation by Romo.
Brady completely got in Mathieu's head, too. By midway through the third quarter, Mathieu was so effed up he couldn't play as well as he usually does. Of course, the game was mostly over by then, too.
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Winston was heavily pressured all season last year, had 49 sacks.
Brady had all day, only 21 sacks. The OL was much improved.
I wanted to look at this a little more deeply. Tampa's average "pocket time" actually decreased this year from 2.5 seconds to 2.4.
So I think that Brady gets the ball out faster. And stats show he usually throws it shorter than Winston did last year. (IDK if that is by coach's design or simply preference.)
So I think a lot of the OL's improvement is due to a quarterback that makes faster decisions and gets the ball out.
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Super Bowl victories DO matter, especially for QBs. They are the leaders of their teams and the pace-setters of their offenses. Even back in Bob Griese's day -- when he threw 11 and 7 passes as the Dolphins went back-to-back in SB7 and SB8 -- he called the team's plays and made the offense "work." (Though it's notable that he wasn't in the MVP conversation either year, nor should he have been.)
So I think the fact that Brady has won 7 and Montana has won 4 are extremely meaningful in determining in where they rank among QBs all-time.
But SB wins would be less meaningful if they didn't also have great regular-season stats and great playoff performances that helped their teams get to Super Bowls. Bradshaw also won 4, and you rarely him mentioned even in the top 10 all-time. He's an obvious HoFer, but he didn't have the numbers to put him in the same conversation as the likes of Rodgers or Marino.
That Brady went to an entirely different system AT AGE 43, not to mention to a franchise that had mostly been a laughingstock and, in Year 1, led them to the championship ... that's pretty incredible. Talk about the defense and other factors all you want, but Brady absolutely set the tone and the expectations for the Bucs. Heck with winning a title ... TB couldn't have even imagined one without Brady. He made it all possible -- period.
Montana actually played very well KC after he was all but run out of San Fran to make room for Steve Young, just as Favre played superbly for the Vikings. But neither could get their new team to the promised land. Obviously wasn't all their fault (though lots was Favre's fault IMHO), but results are results.
Favre, Rodgers, Marino, Elway, Brees, Fouts, Kelly, Unitas and so many other stars were great great great QBs, obviously. But frankly, I don't see anybody particularly close to Brady. Accomplishments matter. Results matter. Sure, he benefited from those around him ... but lots of fine QBs had lots of fine talent around them and didn't win 2 SBs, let alone effen SEVEN.
As for Mahomes, he is a blast to watch and he's supremely talented. As others have noted, his postgame was class personified. He very well could win more titles -- or could win zero more. I mean, at the time Favre and Rodgers were winning the Super Bowl, is there anybody here who thought neither would ever win another?
It's HARD to win, no matter how good you are or the team around you is -- another reason Brady is by far the GOAT.
I agree with those who thought Romo said a lot of dopey things ... and I really think Romo is a good analyst. He had a lot of time to fill last night!
Mike
This is A+ analysis. Well done.
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You're right. That was an excellent observation by Romo.
Brady completely got in Mathieu's head, too. By midway through the third quarter, Mathieu was so effed up he couldn't play as well as he usually does. Of course, the game was mostly over by then, too.
Mathieu is also an All-Pro safety who plays a certain style all season, and suddenly in the SB, the refs tightened the collar on him out of nowhere, so that was a big factor. If an elite perimeter defender in the NBA plays physical and hand checks and then is called for it aggressively and in an uncharacteristic way, he’s gonna be twisted up. Also, Mathieu got an ABSURD unsportsmanlike penalty for an altercation Brady started AND escalated, right after the terrible PI call in the end zone. That’s some brutal officiating getting in his head more than Brady.
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Mathieu is also an All-Pro safety who plays a certain style all season, and suddenly in the SB, the refs tightened the collar on him out of nowhere, so that was a big factor. If an elite perimeter defender in the NBA plays physical and hand checks and then is called for it aggressively and in an uncharacteristic way, he’s gonna be twisted up. Also, Mathieu got an ABSURD unsportsmanlike penalty for an altercation Brady started AND escalated, right after the terrible PI call in the end zone. That’s some brutal officiating getting in his head more than Brady.
Although I do think Brady got into his head, I agree that he was the victim of terrible officiating.
I am not one who likes to blame the refs for much, and I'm not gonna blame them for KC's loss here either, but they were very very bad last night, and KC was victimized by bad calls repeatedly. The NFL should be ashamed about it.
Part of me is glad that KC was so inept -- especially on both lines and in coaching -- that they saved the officials from being scrutinized even more closely.
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Lol. I was already on record pointing out how lucky they had been this year. They had’t won a game by more than 6 points in more than 2 months before they covered against the Bills. You remember the Bills game, right? AFTER the game was over you came on Scoop bragging about the easy money you won. So are the Bucs now the best team you’ve ever seen? Lol.
Yeah, it was easy money. Glad you showed up AFTER the game last night with your take on how the game went. Very courageous.
And no, the Bucs beating a team without either starting left tackle and a quarterback going under the knife next this offseason doesn't do it for me.
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Yeah, it was easy money. Glad you showed up AFTER the game last night with your take on how the game went. Very courageous.
And no, the Bucs beating a team without either starting left tackle and a quarterback going under the knife next this offseason doesn't do it for me.
KC was unable to utilize their revolutionary double left tackle strategy.
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Seems weird when Mcauley is tweeting out during the game his confusion about the calls.
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Yeah, it was easy money. Glad you showed up AFTER the game last night with your take on how the game went. Very courageous.
And no, the Bucs beating a team without either starting left tackle and a quarterback going under the knife next this offseason doesn't do it for me.
Was it me who came on Scoop bragging about how much easy money I made betting on a football game AFTER the game was over? No? That wasn’t me? It was who? You? Two weeks ago? Right.
And who was it that called the team that he bragged about betting on two weeks ago AFTER the game was over the best team he’d ever seen? Me? No? You again? And who pointed out then (before the Super Bowl) how lucky (rather than great) those Chiefs had been this year? You? No? Oh, that was me? Right.
And who is now claiming that all it took to reduce the greatest team he’d ever seen two weeks earlier into embarrassing cannon fodder for the Tampa Bay Bucs was the loss of one offensive lineman? You again?
Stay wrong. Stay stubborn. Don’t change, stay you.
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Was it me who came on Scoop bragging about how much easy money I made betting on a football game AFTER the game was over? No? That wasn’t me? It was who? You? Two weeks ago? Right.
And who was it that called the team that he bragged about betting on two weeks ago AFTER the game was over the best team he’d ever seen? Me? No? You again? And who pointed out then (before the Super Bowl) how lucky (rather than great) those Chiefs had been this year? You? No? Oh, that was me? Right.
And who is now claiming that all it took to reduce the greatest team he’d ever seen two weeks earlier into embarrassing cannon fodder for the Tampa Bay Bucs was the loss of one offensive lineman? You again?
Stay wrong. Stay stubborn. Don’t change, stay you.
One offensive lineman? They were missing both starting tackles. And the best player in the world is having surgery later this week.
But you’re right. Definitely didn’t affect the Chiefs. Who lucked their way to 14-2, with 1 of the losses being when they sat everyone in week 17 after the 1 seed was wrapped up. Nope didn’t affect them at all. Beat Tampa at Tampa when healthy. Smoked when not healthy.
And yeah I didn’t come around saying the Chiefs were awesome until after the AFC Title game. I only asked where I could bet on them going 19-0 because I thought they sucked all year.
Congrats on your win Lenny. You desperately needed one.
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One offensive lineman? They were missing both starting tackles. And the best player in the world is having surgery later this week.
But you’re right. Definitely didn’t affect the Chiefs. Who lucked their way to 14-2, with 1 of the losses being when they sat everyone in week 17 after the 1 seed was wrapped up. Nope didn’t affect them at all. Beat Tampa at Tampa when healthy. Smoked when not healthy.
And yeah I didn’t come around saying the Chiefs were awesome until after the AFC Title game. I only asked where I could bet on them going 19-0 because I thought they sucked all year.
Congrats on your win Lenny. You desperately needed one.
I’m well aware that you were on “the greatest team I’ve ever seen” train early. First you said undefeated, then you said one loss. While they were going through a two and a half month period of never covering, never winning a game by more than 6 points, you were quiet. But after they beat and covered vs the Bills, you were back on the “greatest” team bandwagon. And they beat the Bills without one of those tackles for the entire game and the other one for part of it. So, it’s 100% true that they were down one (1) offensive lineman from the team whose greatness you reaffirmed after the AFC title game. Post season surgeries? I’m sure they’ll be multiple ones on both teams. That’s football. Bottom line, this was never a team for the ages. It was a very good team with some exciting playmakers and a great QB, cardiac kids who pulled out a bunch of close game throughout the 2nd half of the season. But not the greatest. Not even great.
Don’t admit the obvious (that you were wrong). Make excuses instead. And by all means get back to knowingly and intentionally misrepresenting and misinterpreting things I (and others) say. Whatever makes you happy.
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Per ESPN Stats and Info, Mahomes was pressured on 29 of 56 dropbacks, the most of any quarterback in Super Bowl history. The Buccaneers sent extra pass rushers on just two of those plays.
He was under pressure in 2.5 seconds or less 43% of the time (24 plays), per Pro Football Focus. Mahomes accumulated 497 yards scrambling prior to throwing the ball or being sacked, according to Next Gen Stats. It was the most scramble yards in a game by any quarterback since 2016.
This is a cautionary tale to those teams who think that getting a QB - even one as talented as Deshaun Watson - guarantees anything. Hell, Watson had a great season in 2020 and the Texans still only went 4-12.
Brady was obviously the story in TB, but they only won because they improved the rest of the team. KC, without its OTs and with no pass rush of its own, couldn't protect Mahomes and couldn't get after Brady.
So sure, I'd love the Panthers to get Watson ... but they would have to give up so much, and they already have a sh!t offensive line. I don't see how they (or any team in a similar situation) would really benefit from making such a deal.
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I think the game turned positively for Tampa when they committed early to the running game. KC adjusted at half to commit to the running game and came out giving it to the Prince (successfully), but then went away from it...and it was too late.
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92 Million TV, 6 Million Streaming for Super Bowl. Numbers are down 9% overall. Regular Season waa down 7%. Streaming is up 65%.
It was the least watched Super Bowl since 2007.
(It's still 40-50 Million more than any other program for the year.)
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92 Million TV, 6 Million Streaming for Super Bowl. Numbers are down 9% overall. Regular Season waa down 7%. Streaming is up 65%.
It was the least watched Super Bowl since 2007.
(It's still 40-50 Million more than any other program for the year.)
Do we know how many viewers turned away after halftime or after the game became a blowout?
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Do we know how many viewers turned away after halftime or after the game became a blowout?
I don’t have that but I believe a lopsided game, (most lopsided score in 18 years I believe) was in part a factor for the ratings decline. Pandemic, poor weather many places, story lines, lots of opportunity to put up a bit better numbers than it did.
The Pandemic and Streaming have changed viewing habits as well.
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I'm also not sure how big a draw Tampa is even with Brady. Maybe I'm wrong...
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I’m well aware that you were on “the greatest team I’ve ever seen” train early. First you said undefeated, then you said one loss. While they were going through a two and a half month period of never covering, never winning a game by more than 6 points, you were quiet. But after they beat and covered vs the Bills, you were back on the “greatest” team bandwagon. And they beat the Bills without one of those tackles for the entire game and the other one for part of it. So, it’s 100% true that they were down one (1) offensive lineman from the team whose greatness you reaffirmed after the AFC title game. Post season surgeries? I’m sure they’ll be multiple ones on both teams. That’s football. Bottom line, this was never a team for the ages. It was a very good team with some exciting playmakers and a great QB, cardiac kids who pulled out a bunch of close game throughout the 2nd half of the season. But not the greatest. Not even great.
Don’t admit the obvious (that you were wrong). Make excuses instead. And by all means get back to knowingly and intentionally misrepresenting and misinterpreting things I (and others) say. Whatever makes you happy.
Got it, so you're sticking with the fact that injuries didn't affect the outcome of the game. Good stuff as always Lenny!
Also, was it you who said, "As Al Davis says, 'Just cover baby!'"
Not sure what's I "knowingly and intentionally misrepresented and misrepresented things you (and others) say." But sorry I hurt your feelings!
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Per ESPN Stats and Info, Mahomes was pressured on 29 of 56 dropbacks, the most of any quarterback in Super Bowl history. The Buccaneers sent extra pass rushers on just two of those plays.
He was under pressure in 2.5 seconds or less 43% of the time (24 plays), per Pro Football Focus. Mahomes accumulated 497 yards scrambling prior to throwing the ball or being sacked, according to Next Gen Stats. It was the most scramble yards in a game by any quarterback since 2016.
This is a cautionary tale to those teams who think that getting a QB - even one as talented as Deshaun Watson - guarantees anything. Hell, Watson had a great season in 2020 and the Texans still only went 4-12.
Brady was obviously the story in TB, but they only won because they improved the rest of the team. KC, without its OTs and with no pass rush of its own, couldn't protect Mahomes and couldn't get after Brady.
So sure, I'd love the Panthers to get Watson ... but they would have to give up so much, and they already have a sh!t offensive line. I don't see how they (or any team in a similar situation) would really benefit from making such a deal.
At least it had nothing to do with their injured offensive line, or so I've heard here.
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Lots of big parties reducing the number of screens, hey?
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92 Million TV, 6 Million Streaming for Super Bowl. Numbers are down 9% overall. Regular Season waa down 7%. Streaming is up 65%.
It was the least watched Super Bowl since 2007.
(It's still 40-50 Million more than any other program for the year.)
Maybe they should have moved it to Saturday night.
/ducks/
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That Wentz to the Bears rumor started by the Eagles radio sideline reporter was one of the dumbest things I saw over the weekend. The Eagles using her to float a terrible rumor to gain leverage with the Colts was laughable.
Tarik Cohen’s contract is untradeable in 2021. If the Bears trade Cohen, it would trigger negative $2 million in cap space ($5 mil dead cap minus $3 mil 2021 salary). And why would Philly take on Cohen’s contract?
The entire charade was so dumb. I don’t know why Schefter or other insiders bought into Wentz being traded “immediately”. Philly has until early March when Wentz’s roster bonus is converted to trade him. Philly trying to stir up leverage by using the media means they’re desperate to get another team outside the Colts to bite.
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That Wentz to the Bears rumor started by the Eagles radio sideline reporter was one of the dumbest things I saw over the weekend. The Eagles using her to float a terrible rumor to gain leverage with the Colts was laughable.
Tarik Cohen’s contract is untradeable in 2021. If the Bears trade Cohen, it would trigger negative $2 million in cap space ($5 mil dead cap minus $3 mil 2021 salary). And why would Philly take on Cohen’s contract?
The entire charade was so dumb. I don’t know why Schefter or other insiders bought into Wentz being traded “immediately”. Philly has until early March when Wentz’s roster bonus is converted to trade him. Philly trying to stir up leverage by using the media means they’re desperate to get another team outside the Colts to bite.
So you don't think bears are involved? At least in an serious capacity?
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So you don't think bears are involved? At least in an serious capacity?
I’m sure conversations have taken place between the Bears and Eagles. I’m also sure both the Bears and Colts balked at whatever Philly was asking for, hence the leaked rumor. Any trade for Wentz is going to be “what else am I getting?” more so than about Wentz.
If Philly insists on a first round pick back, I’d stand firm on this offer and wouldn’t budge:
Wentz, Philly’s 2021 2nd, 2021 3rd
Bears 2021 1st, Foles
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Got it, so you're sticking with the fact that injuries didn't affect the outcome of the game. Good stuff as always Lenny!
Facts I’m “sticking with”:
1 The Chiefs were routed worse than any Super Bowl loser in nearly two decades.
2. Of the 22 players who started vs Cleveland and Buffalo (where the Chiefs were “easy money”), one (1) missed the game against Tampa Bay.
Opinions I derive from those facts:
1. An offensive lineman (or two, if you go back a month or two) wouldn’t have made enough of a difference to turn an embarrassing defeat into a victory.
2. Whether you’re 3, 33 or 63, sticking with the claim that this year’s version of the KC Chiefs is the best team you’ve ever see is absurd.
But good stuff as always, BLM!
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Facts I’m “sticking with”:
1 The Chiefs were routed worse than any Super Bowl loser in nearly two decades.
2. Of the 22 players who started vs Cleveland and Buffalo (where the Chiefs were “easy money”), one (1) missed the game against Tampa Bay.
Opinions I derive from those facts:
1. An offensive lineman (or two, if you go back a month or two) wouldn’t have made enough of a difference to turn an embarrassing defeat into a victory.
2. Whether you’re 3, 33 or 63, sticking with the claim that this year’s version of the KC Chiefs is the best team you’ve ever see is absurd.
But good stuff as always, BLM!
Yeah, continuing to ignore that the best player in the world is going under the knife tomorrow and is expected to miss most of the offseason team activities. But fair enough. You think it doesn't make the difference. Here's a fact for you. It did make the difference. The Chiefs beat the Bucs in Tampa when they were relatively healthy earlier in the year.
But you don't like that fact. So ignore it!
Anyways, I found the Lennys Tap Year End NFL Power Rankings!
1) Miami
2) Buffalo
3) Baltimore
4) Green Bay
5) Tampa Bay
6) Pittsburgh
7) Washington
8) LA Chargers
9) Denver
10) Carolina
11) NY Giants
12) Cincinnati
13) New Orleans
14) LA Rams
15) Indianapolis
16) Las Vegas
17) Seattle
18) Chicago
19) Cleveland
20) Jacksonville
21) Atlanta
22) Arizona
23) San Francisco
24) New England
25) Detroit
26) Kansas City
27) Tennessee
28) Philadelphia
29) NY Jets
30) Minnesota
31) Houston
32) Dallas
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Yeah, continuing to ignore that the best player in the world is going under the knife tomorrow and is expected to miss most of the offseason team activities. But fair enough. You think it doesn't make the difference. Here's a fact for you. It did make the difference. The Chiefs beat the Bucs in Tampa when they were relatively healthy earlier in the year.
But you don't like that fact. So ignore it!
Anyways, I found the Lennys Tap Year End NFL Power Rankings!
1) Miami
2) Buffalo
3) Baltimore
4) Green Bayp
5) Tampa Bay
6) Pittsburgh
7) Washington
8) LA Chargers
9) Denver
10) Carolina
11) NY Giants
12) Cincinnati
13) New Orleans
14) LA Rams
15) Indianapolis
16) Las Vegas
17) Seattle
18) Chicago
19) Cleveland
20) Jacksonville
21) Atlanta
22) Arizona
23) San Francisco
24) New England
25) Detroit
26) Kansas City
27) Tennessee
28) Philadelphia
29) NY Jets
30) Minnesota
31) Houston
32) Dallas
Who cares what Mahomes is doing tomorrow? As I said, tons of players have off seasons surgeries. Sunday he ran all over the field (although mostly sideways and backwards) and nobody was outrunning him.
The Bucs were ordinary early (7-5) as Brady got used to his personnel and they got used to him. The Chiefs were a little better than the Bucs when they beat them by 3 points in the regular season. So what? The Bucs were 8-0 down the stretch, won at New Orleans and Green Bay in the playoffs and smoked KC in the most important game of the season.
Why you just can’t admit the obvious - that you overrated this year’s Chiefs - is silly. But whatever.
As for my fictional “power ratings” - WTF?
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Who cares what Mahomes is doing tomorrow? As I said, tons of players have off seasons surgeries. Sunday he ran all over the field (although mostly sideways and backwards) and nobody was outrunning him.
The Bucs were ordinary early (7-5) as Brady got used to his personnel and they got used to him. The Chiefs were a little better than the Bucs when they beat them by 3 points in the regular season. So what? The Bucs were 8-0 down the stretch, won at New Orleans and Green Bay in the playoffs and smoked KC in the most important game of the season.
Why you just can’t admit the obvious - that you overrated this year’s Chiefs - is silly. But whatever.
As for my fictional “power ratings” - WTF?
What I've learned form Lenny.
1) Just about every starting quarterback in the league will have had a major surgery the week after their last game of the season (I haven't heard of one, but I'll trust Lenny knows what he's talking about).
2) The Chiefs being down two starting tackles didn't affect them.
3) Patrick Mahomes wasn't getting chased down all night by defenders, he was outrunning everyone (ignore the 52% pressure, 29 pressures, a Super Bowl record. Nope. The defense could not catch him).
4) Bucs proved they were the better team even without the injuries because they only lost at home by 3 and then they won 8 straight games. (Ignore that the overrated, average Chiefs had won 12 of 13 games going into the Super Bowl, with the only loss being week 17 when they sat everyone).
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What I've learned form Lenny.
1) Just about every starting quarterback in the league will have had a major surgery the week after their last game of the season (I haven't heard of one, but I'll trust Lenny knows what he's talking about).
2) The Chiefs being down two starting tackles didn't affect them.
3) Patrick Mahomes wasn't getting chased down all night by defenders, he was outrunning everyone (ignore the 52% pressure, 29 pressures, a Super Bowl record. Nope. The defense could not catch him).
4) Bucs proved they were the better team even without the injuries because they only lost at home by 3 and then they won 8 straight games. (Ignore that the overrated, average Chiefs had won 12 of 13 games going into the Super Bowl, with the only loss being week 17 when they sat everyone).
He’s so very Chico’s.
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Did I read that the cars Britt Ried hit were parked? Not a good situation. Hope the young girl is able to recover, for everyone involved.
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What I've learned form Lenny.
1) Just about every starting quarterback in the league will have had a major surgery the week after their last game of the season (I haven't heard of one, but I'll trust Lenny knows what he's talking about).
2) The Chiefs being down two starting tackles didn't affect them.
3) Patrick Mahomes wasn't getting chased down all night by defenders, he was outrunning everyone (ignore the 52% pressure, 29 pressures, a Super Bowl record. Nope. The defense could not catch him).
4) Bucs proved they were the better team even without the injuries because they only lost at home by 3 and then they won 8 straight games. (Ignore that the overrated, average Chiefs had won 12 of 13 games going into the Super Bowl, with the only loss being week 17 when they sat everyone).
Things I learned from BLM:
1.Pointing out the fact that it’s common in the NFL for guys to continue to play with conditions that end up requiring off season surgery translates to “just about every starting quarterback will have a major surgery the week after their last game”.
2.Being down one offensive lineman from three fourths of the AFC championship game is worth 4 touchdowns. Or 5 or 6 if Tampa had decided to keep scoring down the stretch.
3.Being “pressured” and being able to run away from it without being caught is proof that you can’t run at all.
4. If you go 6-2 over your last 8, outscore your opponents by 5 points total and lose the championship game by 22 you’re the best team in history. If you go 8-0, outscore
your opponents by 118 points total and beat the greatest team to ever lace ‘em up in the championship game you’re nothing.
5. If the greatest team ever assembled loses an offensive lineman in October it will cost them a Super Bowl 4 months later.
6. Almost forgot. Wojo will be legendary at Marquette. He’ll turn us into Duke North (pre covid Duke, of course).
Of course he hasn’t always been right. He’s had some misses, too.
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Things I learned from BLM:
1.Pointing out the fact that it’s common in the NFL for guys to continue to play with conditions that end up requiring off season surgery translates to “just about every starting quarterback will have a major surgery the week after their last game”.
2.Being down one offensive lineman from three fourths of the AFC championship game is worth 4 touchdowns. Or 5 or 6 if Tampa had decided to keep scoring down the stretch.
3.Being “pressured” and being able to run away from it without being caught is proof that you can’t run at all.
4. If you go 6-2 over your last 8, outscore your opponents by 5 points total and lose the championship game by 22 you’re the best team in history. If you go 8-0, outscore
your opponents by 118 points total and beat the greatest team to ever lace ‘em up in the championship game you’re nothing.
5. If the greatest team ever assembled loses an offensive lineman in October it will cost them a Super Bowl 4 months later.
6. Almost forgot. Wojo will be legendary at Marquette. He’ll turn us into Duke North (pre covid Duke, of course).
Of course he hasn’t always been right. He’s had some misses, too.
Yup. You only had to go back 7 years to find my misses. Like I said, you desperately needed a win, glad you got it big guy!
The pretzels you’ve twisted yourself into are hilarious.
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Yup. You only had to go back 7 years to find my misses. Like I said, you desperately needed a win, glad you got it big guy!
The pretzels you’ve twisted yourself into are hilarious.
7 years? How about two days? Or more accurately, 30 minutes?
Glad you found my pretzels hilarious. They were meant to be. They were in response to the mean spirited ones you’ve been twisting.
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7 years? How about two days? Or more accurately, 30 minutes?
Glad you found my pretzels hilarious. They were meant to be. They were in response to the mean spirited ones you’ve been twisting.
Lol. Mean spirited? Apologies Lenny. I didn’t realize bringing up the Super Bowl record for pressures in a game was “mean spirited.”
I’ll stop questioning you. Your response to having a banged up quarterback playing behind an offensive line missing 40% of its starters is “So what?”. You watched the game and came away thinking the defense could not catch Patrick Mahomes. How you possibly came away with that conclusion when pretty much anyone else watching that game was wondering if the Chiefs should pull Mahomes so he didn’t get murdered once the game was out of reach is beyond me, but ignorance is bliss so I apologize for being “mean spirited.”
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Knock it off, kids.
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This Tweet (https://twitter.com/NFLFilms/status/1359248885856804867?s=20) about Mahomes is fantastic and shows what some of the Bucs thought about him.
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Saw some interesting viewing numbers for Super Bowl.
18-49 years old.
Past 20 years or so.
2000 to 2010 viewership up a little bit from roughly 36M to close to 40M, peaking in 2012 at just over 40M. Viewership has declined every year since. In particular, since 2017 to now, it has dropped fast, down 10M to roughly 26/27M now.
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Saw some interesting viewing numbers for Super Bowl.
18-49 years old.
Past 20 years or so.
2000 to 2010 viewership up a little bit from roughly 36M to close to 40M, peaking in 2012 at just over 40M. Viewership has declined every year since. In particular, since 2017 to now, it has dropped fast, down 10M to roughly 26/27M now.
The age of NFL viewership continues to increase. And I mentioned this earlier, but advertisers know this. The ads seemed to be geared toward people my age (53). I mean...Jason Alexander???
And the NFL knows this too. (The Nickelodeon telecast is an attempt to change this.) But that's not a long term solution. They would do good to tighten up the telecast (less advertisements) and loosen up on social media.
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Things I learned from BLM:
6. Almost forgot. Wojo will be legendary at Marquette. He’ll turn us into Duke North (pre covid Duke, of course).
Of course he hasn’t always been right. He’s had some misses, too.
come to think about it, both MU and Duke are under .500 this year. Maybe he was right about Wojo!
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Oh look.. wades on another thread rampage about something stupid.
The chiefs lost, were not the greatest team ever.
Arrieta didn't do roids.
Wojo isn't the answer.
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Oh look.. wades on another thread rampage about something stupid.
The chiefs lost, were not the greatest team ever.
Arrieta didn't do roids.
Wojo isn't the answer.
So you’re buying that an injured QB behind a line missing both its tackles makes no difference. Despite the Chiefs having beaten the Bucs earlier in the season when healthy.
Sounds about right for you lol.
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So you’re buying that an injured QB behind a line missing both its tackles makes no difference. Despite the Chiefs having beaten the Bucs earlier in the season when healthy.
Sounds about right for you lol.
There's tackles we're fine in the afc championship.
Mahomes is repairing a turf toe. It looked like he ran pretty good. Let me know how that effected his throwing ability. Remember that he threw a pass while he was sideways 40 yards.
You're right, we should just had the championship to whoever wins over Thanksgiving. Because teams have no ability to improve or correct mistakes. With that theory the packers should have just handed the bucs the nfc championship.
As I've said before, please seek help. You have a serious issue.
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There's tackles we're fine in the afc championship.
Mahomes is repairing a turf toe. It looked like he ran pretty good. Let me know how that effected his throwing ability. Remember that he threw a pass while he was sideways 40 yards.
You're right, we should just had the championship to whoever wins over Thanksgiving. Because teams have no ability to improve or correct mistakes. With that theory the packers should have just handed the bucs the nfc championship.
As I've said before, please seek help. You have a serious issue.
Right. Their tackles were fine against the Bills. Too bad one of them tore his Achilles and couldn’t play against the Bucs lol.
You’re right. Mobility is unimportant for quarterback. Especially when their two starting tackles are out. Lol.
You do realize the Packers lost to the Bucs again? Lol.
Thanks for the laughs. Your self awareness is second to none.
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Yup, I forgot the packers got blown out for a 2nd time. Oh wait.. it was a one possession game. Who were the bucs missing that caused that one to become a game?
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Yup, I forgot the packers got blown out for a 2nd time. Oh wait.. it was a one possession game. Who were the bucs missing that caused that one to become a game?
Well, I mean Antione Winfield and Antonio Brown weren’t insignificant losses. Thanks for even more laughs. Guess we can count this as a Packers Super Bowl! Only lost to the Bucs by 5, count it as a win!
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Well, I mean Antione Winfield and Antonio Brown weren’t insignificant losses. Thanks for even more laughs. Guess we can count this as a Packers Super Bowl! Only lost to the Bucs by 8, count it as a win!
Antonio brown was a free agent the first go around there guy.
But I mean, I'd probably argue the lose of Aaron Jones was probably more significant then both of them combined. But you're wades..... so, back to the mute.
Get help, you have a serious problem.
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Antonio brown was a free agent the first go around there guy.
But I mean, I'd probably argue the lose of Aaron Jones was probably more significant then both of them combined. But you're wades..... so, back to the mute.
Get help, you have a serious problem.
The guy who got hurt when the Packers were down 11, and was why they went down 18 less than a minute later? Oh. Okay.
Your lack of self awareness is impressive.
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There's tackles we're fine in the afc championship.
Mahomes is repairing a turf toe. It looked like he ran pretty good. Let me know how that effected his throwing ability. Remember that he threw a pass while he was sideways 40 yards.
You're right, we should just had the championship to whoever wins over Thanksgiving. Because teams have no ability to improve or correct mistakes. With that theory the packers should have just handed the bucs the nfc championship.
As I've said before, please seek help. You have a serious issue.
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Wades doesn’t REALLY believe that missing one (1) offensive lineman for 4 quarters (Super Bowl) rather than 1 quarter (AFC Championship game) is worth 5 or 6 touchdowns.
And while his toe probably hurt (if the Chiefs don’t use painkillers, LOL), there was zero evidence that Mahome’s legs or arm weren’t fully functional. Everyone, including Wades, saw that.
This is all about defending a position (Chiefs the greatest team ever seen) that has become indefensible. As you pointed out, he does it regularly.
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Wades doesn’t REALLY believe that missing one (1) offensive lineman for 4 quarters (Super Bowl) rather than 1 quarter (AFC Championship game) is worth 5 or 6 touchdowns.
And while his toe probably hurt (if the Chiefs don’t use painkillers, LOL), there was zero evidence that Mahome’s legs or arm weren’t fully functional. Everyone, including Wades, saw that.
This is all about defending a position (Chiefs the greatest team ever seen) that has become indefensible. As you pointed out, he does it regularly.
Aye, my favorite has always been his defense of Wojo.
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Wades doesn’t REALLY believe that missing one (1) offensive lineman for 4 quarters (Super Bowl) rather than 1 quarter (AFC Championship game) is worth 5 or 6 touchdowns.
And while his toe probably hurt (if the Chiefs don’t use painkillers, LOL), there was zero evidence that Mahome’s legs or arm weren’t fully functional. Everyone, including Wades, saw that.
This is all about defending a position (Chiefs the greatest team ever seen) that has become indefensible. As you pointed out, he does it regularly.
Yeah. A hobbled quarterback who was outrunning everyone (seriously, what game were you watching? Lol) with a turnstile offensive line due to injuries doesn’t make a difference. We know that already.
Glad we know who thinks the best team always wins in a one and done playoff bracket here though. Not surprised to see who those people are.
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No Pettine to Bears chatter?
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No Pettine to Bears chatter?
He’s not a position coach or coordinator, shrug. Assuming Desai stays the 3-4 that Pagano ran and the Bears have ran since Fangio, Pettine is an experienced sounding board/voice at the least
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Wow, pretty pathetic the Chiefs couldn't beat Tom Brady on a bum knee
Source: Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Tom Brady to have minor knee surgery during offseason (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882306/source-tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-minor-knee-surgery-offseason)
(ducks)
Also Houston releasing JJ Watt
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JJ Watt two da Pack, hey?
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Wow, pretty pathetic the Chiefs couldn't beat Tom Brady on a bum knee
Source: Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Tom Brady to have minor knee surgery during offseason (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882306/source-tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-minor-knee-surgery-offseason)
(ducks)
Also Houston releasing JJ Watt
I learned that doesn't matter.
Hell. I'm not quite sure why Alex Smith sat at all after his leg injury. He's a quarterback. His leg doesn't prevent him from throwing a football.
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JJ Watt two da Pack, hey?
He's been good one year of the last 5. Hard pass. I know he wants to probably come home a hero, and I can already see all the commercials with him and Rodgers... but he's well past his prime. If he wants to show up with a huge discount and not play every play, sure... do it. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and been injured a lot
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He's been good one year of the last 5. Hard pass. I know he wants to probably come home a hero, and I can already see all the commercials with him and Rodgers... but he's well past his prime. If he wants to show up with a huge discount and not play every play, sure... do it. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and been injured a lot
He's been great one year of the last 5. He's been pretty good the other 4.
As an outside pass rushing force, yes he is past his prime. As an inside 3-technique rusher, he may have several good years left.
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JJ Watt two da Pack, hey?
I think he's going to TB.
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He's been great one year of the last 5. He's been pretty good the other 4.
As an outside pass rushing force, yes he is past his prime. As an inside 3-technique rusher, he may have several good years left.
He's played 48 out of 80 possible games in those 5 years. In one of those years, he has had a respectable sack total.... over 5.
So, no he has not been pretty good. He's been injured and a very expensive burden to his team. Sure, he is still a physical specimen and will demand attention no matter where he goes... but remember watching Clay his last couple of years in GB? That's what you'd be getting.
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Pretty tone deaf of Urban Meyer to hire the racist former Iowa strength coach for the Jaguars.
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Pretty tone deaf of Urban Meyer to hire the racist former Iowa strength coach for the Jaguars.
I mean, it’s Urban Meyer, what do you expect. Doyle is a POS, but he’s a very good strength coach who will help the Jaguars, that’s all Meyer cares about. Toss in a false statement about working together in Utah and we’re off
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Pretty tone deaf of Urban Meyer to hire the racist former Iowa strength coach for the Jaguars.
Well, the Urban Meyer vetting process is second to none.
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Pretty tone deaf of Urban Meyer to hire the racist former Iowa strength coach for the Jaguars.
Those guys stick together.
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Wow, pretty pathetic the Chiefs couldn't beat Tom Brady on a bum knee
Source: Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Tom Brady to have minor knee surgery during offseason (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882306/source-tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-minor-knee-surgery-offseason)
Brady beat the greatest team ever on a knee that will require off season surgery? Impossible!! BLM says you can’t throw a pass with a bad toe, let alone a bad knee. And Patrick Mahomes is the only QB ever to play on a limb that requires off season surgery.
This just in: Villanova didn’t really beat us (Duke North) by 32 the other night. Justin Lewis’s injury robbed us of a sure victory.
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Brady beat the greatest team ever on a knee that will require off season surgery? Impossible!! BLM says you can’t throw a pass with a bad toe, let alone a bad knee. And Patrick Mahomes is the only QB ever to play on a limb that requires off season surgery.
This just in: Villanova didn’t really beat us (Duke North) by 32 the other night. Justin Lewis’s injury robbed us of a sure victory.
Late to the party. No idea why Alex Smith missed so much football.
If we want to go off topic we can discuss Bailey leaving Marquette because he didn’t want to play with a player who had already graduated Marquette. But your own words hurt your feelings so I’ll leave that alone.
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JJ Watt two da Pack, hey?
Would be a great move
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Would be a great move
in the espn article, no mention of the packers?? he wants to go to a team giving him his best chance to win a super bowl? and their big mention is pittsburgh?? what? i love tj and believe the packers made a BIG mistake passing him up in the draft, but come on man!! no mention of green bay?? even if it's a long shot, it's got to be mentioned! is there a green bay stink in there because they avoided da bodadem guyses?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30886997/houston-texans-part-ways-jj-watt-asks-release
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in the espn article, no mention of the packers?? he wants to go to a team giving him his best chance to win a super bowl? and their big mention is pittsburgh?? what? i love tj and believe the packers made a BIG mistake passing him up in the draft, but come on man!! no mention of green bay?? even if it's a long shot, it's got to be mentioned! is there a green bay stink in there because they avoided da bodadem guyses?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30886997/houston-texans-part-ways-jj-watt-asks-release
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It’s kind of hilarious to me that they keep hammering this JJ coming home to Wisconsin angle. If the money and situation works, then maybe the Packers happen. But he’s a professional who has worked for a decade outside of Wisconsin. Just cause he pretends to be a rugged outdoorsman at his million dollar lake house in Pewaukee in the offseason doesn’t mean he’s always yearned to “come home” to the Packers. Pittsburgh with his brothers or even Chicago with his wife seem far more likely/compelling for a human interest angle, beyond simply the best career choice
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Pretty tone deaf of Urban Meyer to hire the racist former Iowa strength coach for the Jaguars.
Chris Doyle we hardly knew thee
Jacksonville Jaguars director of sports performance Chris Doyle resigns amid backlash (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30890476/jacksonville-jaguars-director-sports-performance-chris-doyle-resigns-amid-backlash)
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Chris Doyle we hardly knew thee
Jacksonville Jaguars director of sports performance Chris Doyle resigns amid backlash
(https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30890476/jacksonville-jaguars-director-sports-performance-chris-doyle-resigns-amid-backlash)
Really goes to show why diversifying NFL staffs keeps running into roadblocks. Here is a guy who is accused of being an absolute prick, but since Urban has known him for 20 years and they had some "hard conversations" he gets a job.
But at least he didn't kneel for the anthem right?
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in the espn article, no mention of the packers?? he wants to go to a team giving him his best chance to win a super bowl? and their big mention is pittsburgh?? what? i love tj and believe the packers made a BIG mistake passing him up in the draft, but come on man!! no mention of green bay?? even if it's a long shot, it's got to be mentioned! is there a green bay stink in there because they avoided da bodadem guyses?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30886997/houston-texans-part-ways-jj-watt-asks-release
They don't really need him and he will be expensive for a team that is already bumping up against the cap. If he were from Iowa, this wouldn't even be a discussion, but because he is from Wisconsin, and sports is often hopelessly romantic, the Packers all of the sudden gets mentioned.
Gute has to find a quality defensive back and get Jaire on a long-term contract. He also has to find a way to economically sign either Jones or Williams. Signing an oft-injured defensive lineman just isn't in the cards. He isn't Julius Peppers.
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Add signin' Linsley ta da "gotta get it dun" list, hey?
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Add signin' Linsley ta da "gotta get it dun" list, hey?
Absolutely. He would be the most devastating loss from last year.
BTW Fluffy, let Jones and Williams walk. Go with Dillon and see what we have from Mike Weber and Dexter Williams. Draft a RB in the 5th and hope you get something there too.
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Linsley is going to get more on the open market than the Packers will be able to do with their cap situation. I’d love to have him back for obvious reasons, but their other needs and cap situation won’t allow it. From what I’ve read, there hasn’t even been dialogue between he and the Packers about a new contract. This close to the new league year and free agency beginning, that’s a very ominous sign he won’t be back.
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Linsley is going to get more on the open market than the Packers will be able to do with their cap situation. I’d love to have him back for obvious reasons, but their other needs and cap situation won’t allow it. From what I’ve read, there hasn’t even been dialogue between he and the Packers about a new contract. This close to the new league year and free agency beginning, that’s a very ominous sign he won’t be back.
They have room to sign him, but it is tricky. They can save a good chunk of salary cap by cutting:
Preston Smith ($8M-12M depending on when he is cut)
Ricky Wagner ($4.25M)
Extend:
Davante ($9.3M)
Za'Darius ($12.4M)
Restructure and extend:
Aaron Rodgers ($14.6M)
Doing all of them can save $48.55-52.55M.
That's enough room to sign Lindsey and 1-2 other major players (depending on the new cap #'s), and locks up our most important players for a while.
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Really goes to show why diversifying NFL staffs keeps running into roadblocks. Here is a guy who is accused of being an absolute prick, but since Urban has known him for 20 years and they had some "hard conversations" he gets a job.
But at least he didn't kneel for the anthem right?
These kinds of things are always tough for me, because I am a big believer in second chances. But this was just a bad hire, and the result was almost inevitable.
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These kinds of things are always tough for me, because I am a big believer in second chances. But this was just a bad hire, and the result was almost inevitable.
I also believe in 2nd chances. The fact of the matter is, this country gives 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th chances to those in power. Those in the bottom, get 1 chance. One mistake and their life is over.
There are countless people in this country who got caught with pot when they were a kid, who then were banned from federal financial aid, so couldn't get a college education, who then were forced into low paying jobs.
CEOs can bankrupt multiple companies, and still get another CEO position. Coaches can fail for multiple teams and still get another $1M salary. An average Jane/Joe gets fired for missing too many days of work taking care of sick children/family members and they have a hard time getting rehired anywhere, because they have to say they were fired from a previous job.
Let's have equity.
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I also believe in 2nd chances. The fact of the matter is, this country gives 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th chances to those in power. Those in the bottom, get 1 chance. One mistake and their life is over.
There are countless people in this country who got caught with pot when they were a kid, who then were banned from federal financial aid, so couldn't get a college education, who then were forced into low paying jobs.
CEOs can bankrupt multiple companies, and still get another CEO position. Coaches can fail for multiple teams and still get another $1M salary. An average Jane/Joe gets fired for missing too many days of work taking care of sick children/family members and they have a hard time getting rehired anywhere, because they have to say they were fired from a previous job.
Let's have equity.
Great post. I will add one more thing.
I also believe in 2nd chances - but the person needs to take actions first, in order to deserve that chance. More than simple lip service is required.
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Centers are replaceable. You hardly noticed when Linlsey missed games. Compare that to Bakhtiari.
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Superbly stated, forgetful and Jockey.
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Late to the party. No idea why Alex Smith missed so much football.
If we want to go off topic we can discuss Bailey leaving Marquette because he didn’t want to play with a player who had already graduated Marquette. But your own words hurt your feelings so I’ll leave that alone.
LOL Keep digging. You’ll be in China soon.
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They don't really need him and he will be expensive for a team that is already bumping up against the cap. If he were from Iowa, this wouldn't even be a discussion, but because he is from Wisconsin, and sports is often hopelessly romantic, the Packers all of the sudden gets mentioned.
Gute has to find a quality defensive back and get Jaire on a long-term contract. He also has to find a way to economically sign either Jones or Williams. Signing an oft-injured defensive lineman just isn't in the cards. He isn't Julius Peppers.
He's also a shadow of his former self. Still fine. Maybe even above average, but he's nowhere near what he was when he terrorized offenses.
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They don't really need him and he will be expensive for a team that is already bumping up against the cap. If he were from Iowa, this wouldn't even be a discussion, but because he is from Wisconsin, and sports is often hopelessly romantic, the Packers all of the sudden gets mentioned.
Gute has to find a quality defensive back and get Jaire on a long-term contract. He also has to find a way to economically sign either Jones or Williams. Signing an oft-injured defensive lineman just isn't in the cards. He isn't Julius Peppers.
As with anything else, it comes down to cost. Watt would be an upgrade on the defensive line over anybody else they have except Clark. Not only that you can’t underestimate the leadership and locker room influence. He is worth having for the right price as a go for it now piece. I read one source from Houston that said Packers are most likely landing spot.
I think the Peppers comparison is accurate both in terms of stats and leadership.
Watt in 2020: 16 games, 5 sacks, 52 tackles, 17 QB hits
Peppers last year as a Bear: 16 games, 7 sacks, 45 tackles, 6 QB hits
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But Peppers was an ironman. Watt really isn't. But you are right that if the price is right, it makes sense. But I have a feeling the price is going to push the Packers out of the picture.
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But Peppers was an ironman. Watt really isn't. But you are right that if the price is right, it makes sense. But I have a feeling the price is going to push the Packers out of the picture.
I think a more accurate comparison to Packer free agents of yore would be Sean Jones, in terms of the impact Watt might have if he were to land in GB.
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But Peppers was an ironman. Watt really isn't. But you are right that if the price is right, it makes sense. But I have a feeling the price is going to push the Packers out of the picture.
And it really doesn't matter. He's going to TB.
The only reason that doesn't happen, is if he really wants to play with his brothers. The sentimental option isn't GB, it is Pitt.
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That Wentz to the Bears rumor started by the Eagles radio sideline reporter was one of the dumbest things I saw over the weekend. The Eagles using her to float a terrible rumor to gain leverage with the Colts was laughable.
Tarik Cohen’s contract is untradeable in 2021. If the Bears trade Cohen, it would trigger negative $2 million in cap space ($5 mil dead cap minus $3 mil 2021 salary). And why would Philly take on Cohen’s contract?
The entire charade was so dumb. I don’t know why Schefter or other insiders bought into Wentz being traded “immediately”. Philly has until early March when Wentz’s roster bonus is converted to trade him. Philly trying to stir up leverage by using the media means they’re desperate to get another team outside the Colts to bite.
Another team sounds to at least be sniffing around...
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As with anything else, it comes down to cost. Watt would be an upgrade on the defensive line over anybody else they have except Clark. Not only that you can’t underestimate the leadership and locker room influence. He is worth having for the right price as a go for it now piece. I read one source from Houston that said Packers are most likely landing spot.
I just saw something that said the Browns are the betting favorite to land Watt (https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/browns-betting-favorites-jj-watt/95-d2761641-e4c0-4524-bb61-9f093b31ca9d#:~:text=But%20as%20of%20Tuesday%2C%20the,150%20favorite%20to%20sign%20Watt.) (at least with one site). As a Browns fan, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that...aside from the fact that it absolutely blows my mind that the Browns would be mentioned in connection with a significant free agent. Whether they sign Watt or not, that's a welcome sign of how far the Browns have come in the last couple years.
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I just saw something that said the Browns are the betting favorite to land Watt (https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/browns-betting-favorites-jj-watt/95-d2761641-e4c0-4524-bb61-9f093b31ca9d#:~:text=But%20as%20of%20Tuesday%2C%20the,150%20favorite%20to%20sign%20Watt.) (at least with one site). As a Browns fan, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that...aside from the fact that it absolutely blows my mind that the Browns would be mentioned in connection with a significant free agent. Whether they sign Watt or not, that's a welcome sign of how far the Browns have come in the last couple years.
Yes, I saw that also and the article I read said it is down to 3 teams, Browns, Titans and Packers.
It would be a good signing for Browns to bring more credibility and winning culture to the team. However, to me they are not a JJ watt away from the Super Bowl and might be better served to invest in younger guys with upside.
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Yes, I saw that also and the article I read said it is down to 3 teams, Browns, Titans and Packers.
It would be a good signing for Browns to bring more credibility and winning culture to the team. However, to me they are not a JJ watt away from the Super Bowl and might be better served to invest in younger guys with upside.
Yeah...I am not at all convinced that Watt is a good investment for the Browns. I'd much prefer to see them invest in a linebacker or defensive back. But, I do think that signing Watt could have an impact beyond what he brings on the field by showing that the Browns can be a respectable landing spot for a free agent. The price has to be reasonable, though. I don't want the Browns to be the suckers who overpaid for Watt.
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Yeah...I am not at all convinced that Watt is a good investment for the Browns. I'd much prefer to see them invest in a linebacker or defensive back. But, I do think that signing Watt could have an impact beyond what he brings on the field by showing that the Browns can be a respectable landing spot for a free agent. The price has to be reasonable, though. I don't want the Browns to be the suckers who overpaid for Watt.
This generations Reggie White to Green Bay moment but Cleveland? I’m not sure adding him legitimizes Cleveland like Reggie did in Green Bay. I think Watt’s best years are behind him and Reggie had a number of great years in GB. And with yearly roster shakeups, I’m not sure a guy going somewhere legitimizes an organization anymore. Interesting to ponder and discuss, though
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This generations Reggie White to Green Bay moment but Cleveland? I’m not sure adding him legitimizes Cleveland like Reggie did in Green Bay. I think Watt’s best years are behind him and Reggie had a number of great years in GB. And with yearly roster shakeups, I’m not sure a guy going somewhere legitimizes an organization anymore. Interesting to ponder and discuss, though
I suppose I might be overstating things a little bit, and I am certainly not equating JJ with Reggie. I suppose that there are levels of legitimizing. Cleveland has been a relative free agent wasteland for quite a while. So, while I don't think that a significant free agent signing would signal, "Oh my gawd...the Brownies are going to the Superb Owl!!!1!" It might signal that they're not a complete dumpster fire longer and maybe can sign a decent FA every now and again. And I'll take that.
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I suppose I might be overstating things a little bit, and I am certainly not equating JJ with Reggie. I suppose that there are levels of legitimizing. Cleveland has been a relative free agent wasteland for quite a while. So, while I don't think that a significant free agent signing would signal, "Oh my gawd...the Brownies are going to the Superb Owl!!!1!" It might signal that they're not a complete dumpster fire longer and maybe can sign a decent FA every now and again. And I'll take that.
I’m 100% on the Browns bandwagon and if he signed with Cleveland and not the Packers, I’d be swimming in the takes with a big smile
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Unless he's coming at a severely discounted price, I'm fine with the Packers not having JJ Watt on their roster.
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That Wentz to the Bears rumor started by the Eagles radio sideline reporter was one of the dumbest things I saw over the weekend. The Eagles using her to float a terrible rumor to gain leverage with the Colts was laughable.
Tarik Cohen’s contract is untradeable in 2021. If the Bears trade Cohen, it would trigger negative $2 million in cap space ($5 mil dead cap minus $3 mil 2021 salary). And why would Philly take on Cohen’s contract?
The entire charade was so dumb. I don’t know why Schefter or other insiders bought into Wentz being traded “immediately”. Philly has until early March when Wentz’s roster bonus is converted to trade him. Philly trying to stir up leverage by using the media means they’re desperate to get another team outside the Colts to bite.
Yup.
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ESPN was pushing a Watson to the Panthers for three No. 1s and McCaffrey this week. I've seen that rumor a couple other places, too.
It's known that the Panthers' owner, Tepper, who also happens to be the richest guy in the league, wants to make a big splash by getting a big-time QB. But I think (and hope) that the voices in the room who actually know something about football will not make such a dopey deal.
Watson is a superb talent, obviously, but he was 4-12 for the Texans despite putting up great numbers last season because he didn't have enough around him. The Panthers' OL sucks, they have 2 good (not great) WRs but no TE, they would have no NFL RBs on their roster if McCaffrey goes, and their defense has promise but significant shortcomings (CB, LB, DT).
So yeah, let's trade three No. 1s so we can't build up talent, and let's get rid of our best player, too.
I like thinking bold, but such a trade makes zero sense for the Panthers. I certainly can see why Houston would like it, though.
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Three number ones is excessive. But McCaffrey is MUCH more replaceable than a quarterback would be. McC and two number ones would be a decent deal IMO.
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Three number ones is excessive. But McCaffrey is MUCH more replaceable than a quarterback would be. McC and two number ones would be a decent deal IMO.
McCaffrey is not your run-of-the-mill RB, but I do agree that he's more replaceable than a QB. Him and two No. 1s? Hmmm ... maybe.
That still doesn't help the OL that Watson would play behind for at least a year or two, unless the Panthers get lucky and strike gold in the second and third rounds of a couple drafts.
Watson has a no-trade clause. He's from Georgia and he played in S.C., so maybe he'd like to come back to the southeast, but I assume he'd also like to not get killed behind a bad OL.
Another factor: Bridgewater's salary is high (and his cap hit is severe if you cut him before or during the 2021 season). So if you trade for Watson, you're carrying 2 QBs who would represent about a third of the '21 salary cap. Yikes! Another impediment to putting a decent team around Watson.
I just don't see it.
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Unless he's coming at a severely discounted price, I'm fine with the Packers not having JJ Watt on their roster.
This is where I’m at as well. Can’t afford novelty items right now.
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The sad thing about QB Watson is he needs to be playing for a team ready to compete. But no team on the threshold of greatness is going to offer Houston what it wants for one of the better QBs in the league.
Nobody.
If the Bears were to somehow get Watson, he would end up being another Jay Cutler. Great quarterback, limited talent around him and crappy offensive line. He's be running for his life. Inevitably, like Cutler, Watson would take chances that would lead to interceptions.
Houston inevitably will find nobody will pay the price they want for Watson. They're marketing to teams with horrible competing needs and draft quarterbacks starting from scratch.
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Nothing gets a team more "ready to compete" than an elite quarterback. And Watson is a WAY better quarterback than Jay Cutler ever was.
Look what Brady did in Tampa. Get a good QB, have a couple good drafts, and you compete.
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My biggest semi-realistic QB hope for the Bears is Marcus Mariota. He’s still only 27, looked good in his sub for Carr this year, and I think he fits the mold of a guy who was in a wrong situation and needs a change of scenery to succeed. Which means he probably ends up in NE while the Bears sign and start Matt Barkley
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Nothing gets a team more "ready to compete" than an elite quarterback. And Watson is a WAY better quarterback than Jay Cutler ever was.
Look what Brady did in Tampa. Get a good QB, have a couple good drafts, and you compete.
And Mitch was statistically the best QB in Bears' history, better than Jay. Go for Watson!
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I thought the Lions choosing Holmes and Campbell was going to be a disaster. I thought Campbell's introductory press conference was a bad joke. In my the deepest recesses of my mind, I saw another 0-16 season coming.
The Stafford trade really impressed me. Set the market for QB's and really handcuffed some other teams. Can't believe what they got in exchange. Yes, the number 1's will probably be later in the first round. They become bargaining chips or depth.
The coaching staff they have put together around Campbell impresses me.
Here is the problem. The moves they have made are enough to spark a glimmer of long term hope. And that is always a problem when you are a Lion's fan.
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My biggest semi-realistic QB hope for the Bears is Marcus Mariota. He’s still only 27, looked good in his sub for Carr this year, and I think he fits the mold of a guy who was in a wrong situation and needs a change of scenery to succeed. Which means he probably ends up in NE while the Bears sign and start Matt Barkley
If jets decide to go QB in the draft, I can see Darnold ending up in Chicago
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The Stafford trade really impressed me. Set the market for QB's and really handcuffed some other teams. Can't believe what they got in exchange. Yes, the number 1's will probably be later in the first round. They become bargaining chips or depth.
The Lions got a first round pick for Stafford and another first round pick for taking Goff's contract.
Cap hits of $27.8 million, $25.5 million, $25 million and $26 million over the next four years.
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But they got Goff as well as his contract. He isn't transcendent. He has more playoff wins than all of the Lions quarterbacks of the last 50 years combined. His presence means they dont need a quarterback this year and can focus on other needs. This is a multi-year process.
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My biggest semi-realistic QB hope for the Bears is Marcus Mariota. He’s still only 27, looked good in his sub for Carr this year, and I think he fits the mold of a guy who was in a wrong situation and needs a change of scenery to succeed. Which means he probably ends up in NE while the Bears sign and start Matt Barkley
Mariotta makes a lot of sense for some team looking for a short-term answer at QB. He's on a relatively reasonable 1-year deal ($10.6 million, virtually none of it guaranteed) and probably wouldn't cost you a late third or early fourth to acquire. The risk is he hasn't be fully healthy for three years. Didn't even make it out of Raiders training camp last year healthy.
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But they got Goff as well as his contract. He isn't transcendent. He has more playoff wins than all of the Lions quarterbacks of the last 50 years combined. His presence means they dont need a quarterback this year and can focus on other needs. This is a multi-year process.
Sure, sure .... but it's pretty telling that the coach and GM with whom he had those playoff wins couldn't wait to get rid of him and replacing him with Stafford (and his zero playoff wins) as an upgrade worth two first-round picks.
Barring a huge reversal in form, Goff isn't leading the Lions anywhere Stafford couldn't. If I'm the Lions and I love a QB in this draft, do I let Goff's presence keep me from taking him? I probably don't.
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If I am taking a long view in Detroit, I draft defense in the first round. If there is a project QB in round 3-4, ok. But Detroit is going to stink next year. Start the rebuild elsewhere.
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If I am taking a long view in Detroit, I draft defense in the first round. If there is a project QB in round 3-4, ok. But Detroit is going to stink next year. Start the rebuild elsewhere.
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For over 50 years the Lions have proven their incompetence and inability to rebuild. They have never lacked for star players, Lem Barney , Charlie Sanders, Steve Owens, Billie Sims, Barrie Sanders , Calvin Johnson, Eddie Murray, Doug English etc but management always gets in the way.
The Lions need a change of ownership.
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I basically agree
But, they have a different member of the Ford family running it now. We shall see.
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And Mitch was statistically the best QB in Bears' history, better than Jay. Go for Watson!
Last great Bears quarterback was Sid Luckman
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Packers release Christian Kirksey and Rick Wagner
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Packers release Christian Kirksey and Rick Wagner
Those are cap moves... Watt is going on in Green Bay guys?
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Those are cap moves... Watt is going on in Green Bay guys?
They were way over the cap and needed to slash salary anyway to potentially re-sign free agents like Linsley, Jones, etc.
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They were way over the cap and needed to slash salary anyway to potentially re-sign free agents like Linsley, Jones, etc.
Neither of those guys will be back, they'll be too expensive anyway.
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Kirksey became expendable with Barnes play this year. That move would have been made regardless of Watt or any other FA need.
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Neither of those guys will be back, they'll be too expensive anyway.
I assume as much.
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I wonder if the lack of immediate activity on the JJ Watt free agency means he is not get the dollars he is looking for. That could be an opening for teams that have less cap room.
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I think most teams he'd be interested in are trying fervently to clear cap space in a down year
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For over 50 years the Lions have proven their incompetence and inability to rebuild. They have never lacked for star players, Lem Barney , Charlie Sanders, Steve Owens, Billie Sims, Barrie Sanders , Calvin Johnson, Eddie Murray, Doug English etc but management always gets in the way.
The Lions need a change of ownership.
Billy and Barry.
And Eddie Murray was a kicker (not as good as Jason Hanson), not exactly a star one can with a title with.
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I still don't think the Panthers are going to get Watson, and I really don't want them to trade as much as ESPN says they want to ... but they did clear more than $20M in cap space last week, and they are now one of the 10 most under-the-cap teams in the league headed into free agency.
As painful as it might be, I'd stick with Bridgewater one more year, and use the draft and free agency to build up several positions that desperately need building. Then they can make the big splash for a QB next season, when the cap hit on cutting Bridgewater would be relative pennies rather than $20M.
If the QB of their dreams falls to them at No. 8, I guess they have to take him. He could sit and learn most of the season while Bridgewater, who you're paying big bucks anyway, gets most of the starts - and most of the punishment behind that mediocre (at best) line.
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If they're not sold on Bridgewater, you make the trade for Watson today.
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With the Cap going down, there are going to be some interesting high priced veterans potentially on the market. We have already seen the Texans release JJ Watt. Will the Broncos release Von Miller?
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If they're not sold on Bridgewater, you make the trade for Watson today.
They definitely are not sold on Bridgewater, it's obvious by the comments of the owner, GM and coach. They were very much in on the Stafford trades but didn't get him.
Watson is great. He also was 4-12 last year because he played behind a shyte line and Houston's defense sucked. Giving up the farm for him, which would keep the Panthers from improving their shyte line and their mediocre defense, seems questionable to me. But don't get me wrong ... if they happen to get him, I'll be glad it happened.
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82, what would you say to this?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/deshaun-watson-trade-texans-nfl-fmia-peter-king/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/deshaun-watson-trade-texans-nfl-fmia-peter-king/)
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82, what would you say to this?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/deshaun-watson-trade-texans-nfl-fmia-peter-king/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/deshaun-watson-trade-texans-nfl-fmia-peter-king/)
That deal would rob Watson of the Panthers' best offensive player (McCaffrey), a very good receiver (Anderson), and the draft picks that they would need to get him help on the OL and defense. Watson has a no-trade clause, so why would he agree to go to a bad team with a bad OL that is setting itself up to be rebuilding for at least 2 more years? Doesn't make sense.
I just don't see it, but who knows.
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I certainly don't think the Panthers have the most compelling collection of assets. The Dolphins are in a class all by themselves (thanks to the Texans), and the Jets are not too far behind. But I guess it depends on if the Texans want picks or player assets (which inherently increase value of any picks)
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I certainly don't think the Panthers have the most compelling collection of assets. The Dolphins are in a class all by themselves (thanks to the Texans), and the Jets are not too far behind. But I guess it depends on if the Texans want picks or player assets (which inherently increase value of any picks)
Agree with those good points.
And again ... Watson has a no-trade clause. So ultimately, he will get a say where he goes.
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Russ basically demanding a trade out of Seattle. I’m sure the Bears will be a key player ;D ;D....:'( :'( :'(
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Reading the tea leaves, I think it’s far more likely Wilson gets traded than Watson.
I’m not shocked Chicago is on his list. There’s two QB’s I believe have (at some point in their careers) a desire to play in Chicago. One is Wilson, the other is Rodgers.
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Reading the tea leaves, I think it’s far more likely Wilson gets traded than Watson.
I’m not shocked Chicago is on his list. There’s two QB’s I believe have (at some point in their careers) a desire to play in Chicago. One is Wilson, the other is Rodgers.
Why would Rodgers want to play in Chicago?
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Why would Rodgers want to play in Chicago?
Because he owns Soldier Field???
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Why would Rodgers want to play in Chicago?
Why did Favre want to play in Minnesota? To stick it to the Packers organization
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Why did Favre want to play in Minnesota? To stick it to the Packers organization
It was a little more than that. He knew the Vikings were right on the cusp. He knew they needed a quarterback. And he had a history with Darrell Bevell, who was Favre's QB coach for awhile in GB and was the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. He was good friends with Ryan Longwell.
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This whole QB shuffling chaos is kinda fun. Now I just kinda want to see how far it can go. How many teams get a new starter next year? Aim for the sky, who else wants to get on the carousel?
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Why did Favre want to play in Minnesota? To stick it to the Packers organization
I understand Favre having that motivation. I think they're are still quite a few dominos that would need to fall for Rodgers to want to "stick it to the Packers."
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Why would Rodgers want to play in Chicago?
Gut feeling based on some whispers that have been out there. He’s not shy about his love for the city itself either.
I don’t think he’ll ever be a Bear, but if he was ever released and had his pick of where to go, I wouldn’t be stunned in the least if it was Chicago.
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Gut feeling based on some whispers that have been out there. He’s not shy about his love for the city itself either.
I don’t think he’ll ever be a Bear, but if he was ever released and had his pick of where to go, I wouldn’t be stunned in the least if it was Chicago.
Thanks for the response.
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Thanks for the response.
Just to add context, he gets asked about playing for the Bears way more often than he should in interviews. Some of it is playfulness on his part. I think he just enjoys the city more than anything of substance here.
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Gut feeling based on some whispers that have been out there. He’s not shy about his love for the city itself either.
I don’t think he’ll ever be a Bear, but if he was ever released and had his pick of where to go, I wouldn’t be stunned in the least if it was Chicago.
Knowing the Bears, they will always have an opening at QB ;)
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It was a little more than that. He knew the Vikings were right on the cusp. He knew they needed a quarterback. And he had a history with Darrell Bevell, who was Favre's QB coach for awhile in GB and was the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. He was good friends with Ryan Longwell.
All that as well, yes
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This whole QB shuffling chaos is kinda fun. Now I just kinda want to see how far it can go. How many teams get a new starter next year? Aim for the sky, who else wants to get on the carousel?
Agreed. If Dish is right that there is a fair chance Wilson gets dealt, have to think Jerrah will want to get involved. They have to figure out the money for Dak anyway, not a stretch they just allocate it to Russ. And on and on it goes.
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Agreed. If Dish is right that there is a fair chance Wilson gets dealt, have to think Jerrah will want to get involved. They have to figure out the money for Dak anyway, not a stretch they just allocate it to Russ. And on and on it goes.
If reports are to be believed, his list is Cowboys, Bears, Saints, and Raiders.
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If you read The Athletic article, it seems pretty clear that Wilson and the Seahawks are past breaking up. I don’t know how he could play there another year with Carroll. Certainly interesting timing by his agent proactively throwing out for public consumption the names of the four teams Wilson would go to.
Problem for Seattle is his contract isn’t tradeable until after June 1st. The Cowboys will have to make a decision on Prescott in the next two weeks. I have no idea how the Saints could squeeze Wilson in under their brutal cap situation. I think Carr and a couple first round picks would get Wilson to Vegas.
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This whole QB shuffling chaos is kinda fun. Now I just kinda want to see how far it can go. How many teams get a new starter next year? Aim for the sky, who else wants to get on the carousel?
Someone will end up with Big Mitch...
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If reports are to be believed, his list is Cowboys, Bears, Saints, and Raiders.
Saints would be interesting. They'd be dangerous with Wilson.
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Saints would be interesting. They'd be dangerous with Wilson.
I don’t care for Wilson as a personality. I think he’s a corny doofus and his concussion water is a sham. But he’s an incredible QB who is fun to watch who I could bring myself to be very excited about on the Bears. So now that I’ve framed my thinking as such...he’s absolutely going to go tear it up with Payton in NO or be the key to the Raiders breaking through
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I don’t care for Wilson as a personality. I think he’s a corny doofus and his concussion water is a sham. But he’s an incredible QB who is fun to watch who I could bring myself to be very excited about on the Bears. So now that I’ve framed my thinking as such...he’s absolutely going to go tear it up with Payton in NO or be the key to the Raiders breaking through
Never heard of this before. Looked it up! Wow what a scam. Honestly shameful, makes me have a ton less respect for him.
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1. The Seahawks would take on $39 million in dead cap space by dealing Russ.
2. The cap is shrinking $19 million, to $180 million.
3. No team wants, or can build a competitive roster, with 22 percent of its cap dedicated to a guy playing elsewhere.
4. Russ stays in Seattle.
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I don’t care for Wilson as a personality. I think he’s a corny doofus and his concussion water is a sham. But he’s an incredible QB who is fun to watch who I could bring myself to be very excited about on the Bears. So now that I’ve framed my thinking as such...he’s absolutely going to go tear it up with Payton in NO or be the key to the Raiders breaking through
100% agree, and yet he gets idolized here in Wisconsin. Rose bowl tinted glasses and all that.
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I don’t care for Wilson as a personality. I think he’s a corny doofus and his concussion water is a sham. But he’s an incredible QB who is fun to watch who I could bring myself to be very excited about on the Bears. So now that I’ve framed my thinking as such...he’s absolutely going to go tear it up with Payton in NO or be the key to the Raiders breaking through
Not a fan of Mr. Unlimited?!?
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100% agree, and yet he gets idolized here in Wisconsin. Rose bowl tinted glasses and all that.
I can't stand Russell Wilson and I am not sure he gets idolized in Wisconsin. Most people in Wi seem to dislike him, of course I don't equate Badger fans to people, but even some of them are not Wilson fans.
He is just so fake and in my opinion over rated. He has won in the past mainly because of their defense. The Rams made him look like Trubisky in the playoff game. I don't buy the he has no weapons argument either, he has arguably a top 5 receiver in the league and a pretty good number 2.
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Yeah I don't think he is idolized much in Wisconsin these days. Maybe right after he made the league and won the SB, but that feels like a long time ago.
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Yeah I don't think he is idolized much in Wisconsin these days. Maybe right after he made the league and won the SB, but that feels like a long time ago.
I think if he wasn’t with Seattle and Carroll, it would be a lot different. With the heartbreak and frustrating things with Seattle (Fail Mary, NFCCG, general dislike of Carroll) it probably changed views.
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Yeah, I agree with the "I can't stand Russel Wilson" crowd. He's extremely offputting, a brandbot par excellence.
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1. The Seahawks would take on $39 million in dead cap space by dealing Russ.
2. The cap is shrinking $19 million, to $180 million.
3. No team wants, or can build a competitive roster, with 22 percent of its cap dedicated to a guy playing elsewhere.
4. Russ stays in Seattle.
I mentioned this earlier, if he’s traded, it’s post June 1st. They’ll net $6 million in cap space this year, and absorb the dead cap hit next year (when the cap will rise with the new tv deals).
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I mentioned this earlier, if he’s traded, it’s post June 1st. They’ll net $6 million in cap space this year, and absorb the dead cap hit next year (when the cap will rise with the new tv deals).
From my reading, a post June 1 trade would allow them to spread the $39 million over three years (i.e. $13 million per season). It also means you get no immediate draft compensation and what you do get will probably be worse ... because whichever team Russ goes to is almost certainly drafting in the 20s in 2022 and 2023, barring injury.
Honestly, if you're going to tear it down - which makes no sense when you have a contending team and top 5 QB still in his prime - why drag it out?
Anyhow, this is all just another reason a trade is highly unlikely, IMO. There's no way I can figure this makes sense for Seattle.
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100% agree, and yet he gets idolized here in Wisconsin. Rose bowl tinted glasses and all that.
Of my many gripes with UW, the inclusion of Wilson among their cherished alumni featured in posters or videos or whatnot is hysterical to me. Dude was literally in Madison for 6 months and they didn’t win a Rose Bowl. Yet he’s viewed as a beloved Badger.
I’d agree, a decade later, his NFL time has colored more perception of him in Wisconsin and his favorability isn’t as high.
He is just so fake and in my opinion over rated. He has won in the past mainly because of their defense. The Rams made him look like Trubisky in the playoff game. I don't buy the he has no weapons argument either, he has arguably a top 5 receiver in the league and a pretty good number 2.
Fake? Sure. Overrated? Not a chance. Go back and watch some of the throws he made this season. He has good weapons, but he has an incredible arm and accuracy and is insane at extending plays. He’s properly rated as a stud QB. Also, Tyler Lockett is very good, but no way in hell is he top 5.
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Of my many gripes with UW, the inclusion of Wilson among their cherished alumni featured in posters or videos or whatnot is hysterical to me. Dude was literally in Madison for 6 months and they didn’t win a Rose Bowl. Yet he’s viewed as a beloved Badger.
I’d agree, a decade later, his NFL time has colored more perception of him in Wisconsin and his favorability isn’t as high.
That's fair. It also probably has something to do with where I'm located. ;D
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Of my many gripes with UW, the inclusion of Wilson among their cherished alumni featured in posters or videos or whatnot is hysterical to me. Dude was literally in Madison for 6 months and they didn’t win a Rose Bowl. Yet he’s viewed as a beloved Badger.
I’d agree, a decade later, his NFL time has colored more perception of him in Wisconsin and his favorability isn’t as high.
Fake? Sure. Overrated? Not a chance. Go back and watch some of the throws he made this season. He has good weapons, but he has an incredible arm and accuracy and is insane at extending plays. He’s properly rated as a stud QB. Also, Tyler Lockett is very good, but no way in hell is he top 5.
Lockett isn't top 5, but Metcalf might be. Certainly top 10.
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Lockett isn't top 5, but Metcalf might be. Certainly top 10.
I wasn’t sure who he was referring to. Lockett has been their number 1, has more receptions and targets, so that’s why I assumed that. Metcalf will be. He’s probably a year or two away from being a top 5 guy, but his trajectory is there
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I can't stand Russell Wilson and I am not sure he gets idolized in Wisconsin. Most people in Wi seem to dislike him, of course I don't equate Badger fans to people, but even some of them are not Wilson fans.
He is just so fake and in my opinion over rated. He has won in the past mainly because of their defense. The Rams made him look like Trubisky in the playoff game. I don't buy the he has no weapons argument either, he has arguably a top 5 receiver in the league and a pretty good number 2.
My buddy, a Seattle lifer who wears a "12" jersey, and refers to him as "Our Phony Russ." Everything Russ does is run through a PR guy first. Russ used to hang out at the El Gaucho by my buddy's Belltown condo and he saw first hand that public Russ was nothing like private Russ (remember the "born again virgin" phase? Yeah, right...).
That said, Russ does have legit complaints. He's had a turnstile offensive line for years (one multi-year starter went to UC-Irvine. They don't have football) and there was a stretch of really bad WR's he had to throw to. But there is no arguing your point that he rode that defense to the title. And I do not doubt Richard Sherman's contention that the pass play against New England was designed to make sure Russ, not Lynch, got the MVP.
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I don't know enough about Wilson's personality to have an opinion on it.
He's been a hell of a quarterback and likely will be a Hall of Famer. Don't let dislike for the person affect the ability to judge performance.
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100% agree, and yet he gets idolized here in Wisconsin. Rose bowl tinted glasses and all that.
I know people who quit being Packers fans and adopted Seattle because of his Badgers ties. It’s amazing
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I know people who quit being Packers fans and adopted Seattle because of his Badgers ties. It’s amazing
There aren’t a lot of those people around anymore.
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There aren’t a lot of those people around anymore.
The fact there are any still blows my mind.
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I know people who quit being Packers fans and adopted Seattle because of his Badgers ties. It’s amazing
That would be one of the most brilliant damning statements about Wisconsin’s place in CFB. Pledging your fealty to a dude who spent 15 min on campus, only came out of convenience cause he got into a fight with his school who wouldn’t let him have a fun summer break playing baseball, didn’t win you a Rose Bowl (much less a natty), and who wasn’t even the best offensive player on the team that year. That’s the kind of stuff you’d expect out of Wyoming fans with Josh Allen or David Johnson and Northern Iowa alums.
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Of my many gripes with UW, the inclusion of Wilson among their cherished alumni featured in posters or videos or whatnot is hysterical to me. Dude was literally in Madison for 6 months and they didn’t win a Rose Bowl. Yet he’s viewed as a beloved Badger.
I’d agree, a decade later, his NFL time has colored more perception of him in Wisconsin and his favorability isn’t as high.
Fake? Sure. Overrated? Not a chance. Go back and watch some of the throws he made this season. He has good weapons, but he has an incredible arm and accuracy and is insane at extending plays. He’s properly rated as a stud QB. Also, Tyler Lockett is very good, but no way in hell is he top 5.
Metcalf. Maybe top 10 but quickly ascending.
I think wilson is a good qb but he is over rated. He was being pushed as mvp early on this season, he is nowhere near that and did not play well to close out season. 0 votes for mvp.
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Metcalf. Maybe top 10 but quickly ascending.
I think wilson is a good qb but he is over rated. He was being pushed as mvp early on this season, he is nowhere near that and did not play well to close out season. 0 votes for mvp.
Because his stats had him in that position.
Do you understand that?
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Because his stats had him in that position.
Do you understand that?
My point is he is overrated. Do you understand that? That's my opinion.
He was being crowned mvp 2 fricking games into the season, that's my point. The media swarms all over this guy and it ended up being unwarranted.
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My point is he is overrated. Do you understand that?
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What does your thought that he's overrated have to do with his stats in the early part of the season that demonstrated he was an MVP candidate?
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My point is he is overrated. Do you understand that?
That’s not a point. It’s an opinion, not backed up by facts.
You bring up him being talked about as an MVP candidate but not getting any votes as proof. Which completely ignores the fact that the beginning of the year his stats were tremendous. That’s why he was talked about, not cause he was some media darling.
He’s an 8 time Pro Bowler, been to 2 SBs and probably should have won both, and has a top 5 passer rating of all time. I’ve already said I don’t care for the dude, but calling him overrated just makes you sound like a petty hater
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My point is he is overrated. Do you understand that?
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What does your thought that he's overrated have to do with his stats in the early part of the season that demonstrated he was an MVP candidate?
See my revised post above. It was too early to call any mvp, yet people were all over him. Then it turned out that he wasnt even top 5 in mvp race, that's being over rated imo
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That’s not a point. It’s an opinion, not backed up by facts.
You bring up him being talked about as an MVP candidate but not getting any votes as proof. Which completely ignores the fact that the beginning of the year his stats were tremendous. That’s why he was talked about, not cause he was some media darling.
He’s an 8 time Pro Bowler, been to 2 SBs and probably should have won both, and has a top 5 passer rating of all time. I’ve already said I don’t care for the dude, but calling him overrated just makes you sound like a petty hater
I already said it was my opinion and acknowledged he was a good player. I simply feel like he gets more run than he should. And btw you look like a petty nitpicker. Settle down it's not that big of a deal. really, it's a fricking message board.
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See my revised post above. It was too early to call any mvp, yet people were all over him. Then it turned out that he wasnt even top 5 in mvp race, that's being over rated imo
I still don't think that makes sense.
He had all the stats early in the season to be in the MVP race. Rest of the season was not as good. So he wasn't in the race.
By your logic, is any player who got MVP votes at the end, but wasn't discussed early in the season, underrated?
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I still don't think that makes sense.
He had all the stats early in the season to be in the MVP race. Rest of the season was not as good. So he wasn't in the race.
By your logic, is any player who got MVP votes at the end, but wasn't discussed early in the season, underrated?
Ok last post on this. No player should get run as mvp in the first 2 games of the season regardless of stats. Yet he was being crowned early on by many.
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Going to agree with Harry here. There was a lot of "Russ has never won MVP" and "let Russ cook" narrative early on. But then when they let him cook too much, he turned the ball over a bunch and made a bunch of bad decisions.
Russ is a good quarterback. Is he an elite, HOF quarterback like Rodgers, Brady or Brees? IMO, no. And I am not sure he will get there.
If the Hawks could trade him to the Raiders, get Carr in return plus a couple high level draft picks, I would take that in a second.
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Going to agree with Harry here. There was a lot of "Russ has never won MVP" and "let Russ cook" narrative early on. But then when they let him cook too much, he turned the ball over a bunch and made a bunch of bad decisions.
Russ is a good quarterback. Is he an elite, HOF quarterback like Rodgers, Brady or Brees? IMO, no. And I am not sure he will get there.
If the Hawks could trade him to the Raiders, get Carr in return plus a couple high level draft picks, I would take that in a second.
All of this. There is a cult of the quarterback when it comes to football, that the qb (at least the one on your team) can do now wrong. There’s always an excuse. They lack playmakers or an offensive line or the defense fails them. Rarely does the qb take the blame. How about Russ take some of the blame for the Seahawks coming up short? This holds true in Green Bay and elsewhere. When the QB position sucks up a chunk of your salary cap, you are going to have spots on the team you have to overcome and that’s on the “elite” QB. Can’t have it both ways
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Ok last post on this. No player should get run as mvp in the first 2 games of the season regardless of stats. Yet he was being crowned early on by many.
Understood.
I don't necessarily disagree. But media has to talk about something. So if someone is playing well with outstanding stats, they're going to be talked about.
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All of this. There is a cult of the quarterback when it comes to football, that the qb (at least the one on your team) can do now wrong. There’s always an excuse. They lack playmakers or an offensive line or the defense fails them. Rarely does the qb take the blame. How about Russ take some of the blame for the Seahawks coming up short? This holds true in Green Bay and elsewhere. When the QB position sucks up a chunk of your salary cap, you are going to have spots on the team you have to overcome and that’s on the “elite” QB. Can’t have it both ways
I don't know how much of this is true. There's a reason the "backup quarterback is the most popular guy in town" is a thing. Rather than the QB can do no wrong, fans and media tend to.place an inordinate amount of blame for losing on the starting QB, deserved or not.
Case in point, the aforementioned Derek Carr. By nearly any statistical measure, he's been a top 10-12 QB the past couple years, despite having only one legit threat in the passing game (Darren Waller). Yet a large contingent of Raiders fans want to run the guy out of town because the defense gives up a million points per game and they lose. No lie, there are Raiders fans who want to dump Carr and start Mariotta. Oof.
As for Russ, he's a top 5ish QB, and unless you have one of the other four you'd be foolish not to at least kick the tires here. But I still don't think he's going anywhere.
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Jesus, this is like 3 fill pages of Russell Wilson hate.
He's a great qb.
Did he piss in your Wheaties guys?
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Jesus, this is like 3 fill pages of Russell Wilson hate.
He's a great qb.
Did he piss in your Wheaties guys?
Fruit loops, but that's another topic.
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I don't know how much of this is true. There's a reason the "backup quarterback is the most popular guy in town" is a thing. Rather than the QB can do no wrong, fans and media tend to.place an inordinate amount of blame for losing on the starting QB, deserved or not.
Case in point, the aforementioned Derek Carr. By nearly any statistical measure, he's been a top 10-12 QB the past couple years, despite having only one legit threat in the passing game (Darren Waller). Yet a large contingent of Raiders fans want to run the guy out of town because the defense gives up a million points per game and they lose. No lie, there are Raiders fans who want to dump Carr and start Mariotta. Oof.
As for Russ, he's a top 5ish QB, and unless you have one of the other four you'd be foolish not to at least kick the tires here. But I still don't think he's going anywhere.
I think both can be true and prove both points. QBs like Wilson and Brees get passes because they’ve got ringZ while a QB like Carr is questioned because he hasn’t gotten it done.
It’s a lot of goal post shifting for both view points. Carr needs to overcome the talent, Wilson can’t overcome the talent by himself.
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JJ Watt to the Cardinals.
Another Midwesterner heads to suburban Phoenix to retire.
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Looks like the Packers play in Arizona this year, so he will be able to experience a Packers home game.
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JJ Watt to the Cardinals.
Another Midwesterner heads to suburban Phoenix to retire.
2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
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2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
I’ve been told JJ was chasing rings and not dollars
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2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
Way too much.
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I’ve been told JJ was chasing rings and not dollars
Not by JJ, you weren't.
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2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
Way too much.
Yeah, I kind of would have liked to see him on the Browns...but I'm glad they didn't blow that kind of money on him. Here's to hoping that the Browns can figure out another, better way to spend $31 million over the next couple years.
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2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
That’s insane.
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2 years, $31 Million, $23 Million guaranteed.
Have to think that means Hassan Reddick is gone. About as under the radar a 12 sack season free agent pickup as you'll see.
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That Watt contract is a monstrosity, $23 mil guaranteed for 2 years. Good for him getting a massive above market deal, but if I’m a Packers/Bills fan, your team is way better off today not having that ridiculous contract on the books.
I honestly thought it was a typo when I read it.
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Tremendous deal for JJ Watt. JJ extracted top dollar and a great location in Phoenix , also the Cardinals 2021 schedule is very favorable in terms of playing in warm weather.
Arizona was 8-8 in 2020 so if JJ can help win a few more games and get the team in the playoffs then maybe he is worth it to the Cardinals.
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Tremendous deal for JJ Watt. JJ extracted top dollar and a great location in Phoenix , also the Cardinals 2021 schedule is very favorable in terms of playing in warm weather.
Arizona was 8-8 in 2020 so if JJ can help win a few more games and get the team in the playoffs then maybe he is worth it to the Cardinals.
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You missed at Cleveland, which will be their 17th game.
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You missed at Cleveland, which will be their 17th game.
Hopefully that one will be early in the year.
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That Watt contract is a monstrosity, $23 mil guaranteed for 2 years. Good for him getting a massive above market deal, but if I’m a Packers/Bills fan, you’re team is way better off today not having that ridiculous contract on the books.
I honestly thought it was a typo when I read it.
Top 10 money at his position for a guy who hasn't been dominant since 2015, and has only been good one season out of the last 5, constantly injured, and on the wrong side of 30. His agent is a wizard.
In other news, Tom Herman to the Bears as an offensive assistant. Kind of interesting yet doubt he has a ton of impact. However, The Admiral and Polekatz are now in stiff competition for a new VIP customer
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Top 10 money at his position for a guy who hasn't been dominant since 2015, and has only been good one season out of the last 5, constantly injured, and on the wrong side of 30. His agent is a wizard.
He's been a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
He's not what he was five years ago, but according to Pro Football Focus' metrics, he's been top 10 at his position each of the past three seasons.
Whether he can still be top 10 the next two seasons is a good question, but he's been very good of late.
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Every season J.J. Watt has qualified, he has finished as a top-10 player at his position:
2011 - 75.1 (8th)
2012 - 92.3 (2nd)
2013 - 93.2 (1st)
2014 - 92.7 (1st)
2015 - 91.6 (2nd)
2018 - 90.5 (3rd)
2019 - 87.0 (9th)
2020 - 85.5 (7th)
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Top 10 money at his position for a guy who hasn't been dominant since 2015, and has only been good one season out of the last 5, constantly injured, and on the wrong side of 30. His agent is a wizard.
In other news, Tom Herman to the Bears as an offensive assistant. Kind of interesting yet doubt he has a ton of impact. However, The Admiral and Polekatz are now in stiff competition for a new VIP customer
Watt is still a very good, borderline Pro-Bowler. The problem is injuries. Lots of them + he is getting older and older players don't generally get healthier. For 2 years / $16 Mil, I would have loved him in GB. For the money he got? No way you pay that for a guy whose ability to stay on the field is questionable.
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He's been a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
He's not what he was five years ago, but according to Pro Football Focus' metrics, he's been top 10 at his position each of the past three seasons.
Whether he can still be top 10 the next two seasons is a good question, but he's been very good of late.
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Every season J.J. Watt has qualified, he has finished as a top-10 player at his position:
2011 - 75.1 (8th)
2012 - 92.3 (2nd)
2013 - 93.2 (1st)
2014 - 92.7 (1st)
2015 - 91.6 (2nd)
2018 - 90.5 (3rd)
2019 - 87.0 (9th)
2020 - 85.5 (7th)
Someone pointed out his PFF position rank earlier in his free agency and I had the same reaction then as I'm having now... I'm not an analytics wonk, but he sure didn't seem like the 7th best DE in the NFL last year. Earlier in his career, the PFF rank bore out the reality that he shifted the field around him (like when he was PFF #1 in '14, and '14), but after the Packers played the Texans this year I was texting my friends saying "Watt isn't what he used to be." Maybe I'm wrong, maybe with a better team around him he returns to being a world beater, but that's a lot of money to pay an aging, oft-injured, guy.
Does anyone know how PFF runs its numbers? Is this one of those things like how Kenpom's algos routinely overrate the badgers?
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Someone pointed out his PFF position rank earlier in his free agency and I had the same reaction then as I'm having now... I'm not an analytics wonk, but he sure didn't seem like the 7th best DE in the NFL last year. Earlier in his career, the PFF rank bore out the reality that he shifted the field around him (like when he was PFF #1 in '14, and '14), but after the Packers played the Texans this year I was texting my friends saying "Watt isn't what he used to be." Maybe I'm wrong, maybe with a better team around him he returns to being a world beater, but that's a lot of money to pay an aging, oft-injured, guy.
Does anyone know how PFF runs its numbers? Is this one of those things like how Kenpom's algos routinely overrate the badgers?
Id be curious too, cause his raw numbers in 19 and 20 weren't all that great comparatively. 2019 he only averaged a sack every other game and no additional TFL. Somehow thats top 10 worthy?
And not for nothing, regardless of comparative ranking, there is VERY clear downward trend in that PFF score year over year. When you're projecting out if he's worth almost $12 a year guaranteed over the next 2.
Then again, Watt's best season in recent memory was 2018 where he was playing with Clowney. Now he gets to play with Chandler Jones who has a similar effect on the game. Plus Isaiah Simmons behind them.
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JJ Watt is a hard working guy who puts team and teammates first before JJ Watt. JJ Watt has never made it about JJ Watt. JJ Watt has made sure to let everyone know JJ Watt is only as good as his teammates and coaches. JJ Watt only cares about winning football games with JJ Watt’s teammates.
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He was the most double teamed defensive player in the NFL last season. I'm guessing that helps his grades.
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JJ Watt is a hard working guy who puts team and teammates first before JJ Watt. JJ Watt has never made it about JJ Watt. JJ Watt has made sure to let everyone know JJ Watt is only as good as his teammates and coaches. JJ Watt only cares about winning football games with JJ Watt’s teammates.
And this is why I wanted him on Packers.
However that money is not worth it. Cardinals taking a risk for sure but they have qb on rookie contract so they can afford the gamble.
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Does anyone know how PFF runs its numbers? Is this one of those things like how Kenpom's algos routinely overrate the badgers?
Basically, their grading system favors consistently beating your man and executing your assignment over stats and highlight reel plays. The theory being those plays can be the result of luck - a missed assignment along the offensive line or another defensive lineman forcing the QB to scramble into your arms could lead to a sack when the defensive lineman really did nothing exceptional - whereas winning or losing your assignment is largely within the player's control.
They re-watch the game and grade each player play-by-play based on how well or poorly the assignment was executed.
It's not a perfect system, and I find some of their grading odd at times, but it's more objective and worthwhile than only considering sacks or some other statistic.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-grade-offensive-and-defensive-linemen
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And this is why I wanted him on Packers.
However that money is not worth it. Cardinals taking a risk for sure but they have qb on rookie contract so they can afford the gamble.
You missed his point completely
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You missed his point completely
Ok, I get it now, didnt read it close enough. (Few drinks in) I am not sure I agree though. The media made it a big deal, Watt played along to some degree. Ok. He has earned it. At the end of the day he is a positive influence for a team.
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Ok, I get now didnt read it close enough. (Few drinks in) I am not sure I agree though. The media made it a big deal, Watt played along to some degree. Ok. He has earned it. At the end of the day he is a positive influence for a team.
He’s a great player, but nobody loves JJ Watt the persona more than JJ Watt. Like his “rugged rural cabin” where he works out during the offseason...that’s actually a multi million dollar Pewaukee lake house. Or his absurd performance during Hard Knocks.
He’s a good teammate, but if you want to know how hard he works or what a great teammate he is...ask JJ, he’ll be the first to tell you. FIGJAM personified
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Id be curious too, cause his raw numbers in 19 and 20 weren't all that great comparatively. 2019 he only averaged a sack every other game and no additional TFL. Somehow thats top 10 worthy?
And not for nothing, regardless of comparative ranking, there is VERY clear downward trend in that PFF score year over year. When you're projecting out if he's worth almost $12 a year guaranteed over the next 2.
Then again, Watt's best season in recent memory was 2018 where he was playing with Clowney. Now he gets to play with Chandler Jones who has a similar effect on the game. Plus Isaiah Simmons behind them.
Sacks and tfls are really random stats honestly. Defense is much more of a collective team than offense and stats don't tell much of a tale.
A lot of great defenders are guys who get limited stats because offenses won't go there way.
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Sacks and tfls are really random stats honestly. Defense is much more of a collective team than offense and stats don't tell much of a tale.
A lot of great defenders are guys who get limited stats because offenses won't go there way.
I don’t disagree. I just mention cause all of his “best” seasons that got him all the accolades and reputation were gaudy stat seasons. He was never just an attention drawer/disruptor, he was a dude who threw up huge defensive stat numbers
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Ok, I get it now, didnt read it close enough. (Few drinks in) I am not sure I agree though. The media made it a big deal, Watt played along to some degree. Ok. He has earned it. At the end of the day he is a positive influence for a team.
JJ loves the cameras.
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I endorse the Ravens overtime proposal for Spot & Choose as opposed to a coin flip. Would make for some interesting strategy and remove luck from who gets the ball first.
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All that talk about the NFL being in danger of falling out of the TV-rights stratosphere?
Never mind.
Apparently athletes who take a knee for the anthem, owners who take social-rights stances, and any of the other bashing points du jour are not deterring those who are clamoring to pay ever bigly to televise games.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3669084-amazon-in-talks-for-more-exclusive-nfl-games-most-tv-rights-fees-set-to-double-wsj?mail_subject=amzn-dis-amazon-in-talks-for-more-exclusive-nfl-games-most-tv-rights-fees-set-to-double-wsj&utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha
Amazon.com is in talks with the NFL to carry more exclusive games, as high-profile rights talks are shaping up for TV networks to pay nearly twice as much as they currently do, The Wall Street Journal reports.
Those new deals may arrive as early as next week, according to the report.
An Amazon deal wouldn't take effect until Fox's deal for Thursday night games - currently valued at $660M/season - expires after the 2022 season. But it could see the retail behemoth making its biggest move into streaming. And more exclusive games means Amazon might pay $1B or more.
Deals with CBS and NBC also wouldn't kick in until after the 2022-2023 season, but a new deal with ESPN would go into effective after the 2021-2022 season. Most of the deals are likely to run as long as 11 years, according to the report.
Fox's annual average fee for Sunday afternoon games is expected to jump to around $2B from a current $1.1B, while CBS would similarly see its Sunday afternoon fees per season go from the $1B to the $2B range. And NBC's deal would more than double from an average $960M to around $2b.
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I endorse the Ravens overtime proposal for Spot & Choose as opposed to a coin flip. Would make for some interesting strategy and remove luck from who gets the ball first.
Sure, but if you want to eliminate luck, get rid of the opening coin toss also. The team that wins the opening coin toss wins the game at about the same rate as the team that wins the OT coin toss.
Just let the home team decide and it will all even out in the regular season, and be an added incentive for home-field advantage in the playoffs.
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Sure, but if you want to eliminate luck, get rid of the opening coin toss also. The team that wins the opening coin toss wins the game at about the same rate as the team that wins the OT coin toss.
Just let the home team decide and it will all even out in the regular season, and be an added incentive for home-field advantage in the playoffs.
How would 17 games change that equation? Some teams are playing an extra road game
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How would 17 games change that equation? Some teams are playing an extra road game
It would even out every other year, I suppose.
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Dish,
Would love your insight on Bears QB search. Media is sure making it sound like Bears are offering the most for Watson and Russ
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Dish,
Would love your insight on Bears QB search. Media is sure making it sound like Bears are offering the most for Watson and Russ
Kind of hard to keep up. Earlier in the week, Rappaport as saying Alex Smith (ok), Mariota (sure), and Darnold (dear god no) as realistic options for the Bears. Which isn’t scintillating but seems reasonable coming from a solid source.
Now all of a sudden, it seems like I’m the last 36 hours Pace has started firing calls and texts off. Or someone in Halas Hall cause the smoke has popped up everywhere.
Trade every 1st rounder till 2028 for all I care. This organization has been terrible with them anyways. Wilson supposedly wanting to turn around a historic franchise is the exact kind of silly heroic thinking that a desperate Bears fan like we would welcome right now.
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Kind of hard to keep up. Earlier in the week, Rappaport as saying Alex Smith (ok), Mariota (sure), and Darnold (dear god no) as realistic options for the Bears. Which isn’t scintillating but seems reasonable coming from a solid source.
Now all of a sudden, it seems like I’m the last 36 hours Pace has started firing calls and texts off. Or someone in Halas Hall cause the smoke has popped up everywhere.
Trade every 1st rounder till 2028 for all I care. This organization has been terrible with them anyways. Wilson supposedly wanting to turn around a historic franchise is the exact kind of silly heroic thinking that a desperate Bears fan like we would welcome right now.
The problem starts with ownership giving Nagy/Pace 1 year to turn this around. Those two will mortgage the future of the franchise to try and have 1 good season to hold on to their jobs/paychecks.
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The problem starts with ownership giving Nagy/Pace 1 year to turn this around. Those two will mortgage the future of the franchise to try and have 1 good season to hold on to their jobs/paychecks.
I’m with you. But it’s kind of historic to have 2 top 10 QBs, one who is a SB winning HOF-ish track QB and the other arguably #2 of the “next gen” guys, available. Chances like that just don’t come around much. Especially for a franchise that’s been so snakebitten at the most important position in football.
Both guys would be welcomed by any future GM or Coach if the Bears still move on. It’s not like going all in for OBJ or someone to jolt the offense
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I got a text last night from an old friend I hadn’t talked to in years. Ironically he now lives in the Pacific Northwest now (works for Adidas). He said “lots and lots of smoke on Russ heading your way”.
I personally have felt strongly Russ gets traded (more so than Watson). If it’s to Chicago, the Bears are desperate, and I could see something crazy like Jaylon Johnson and three first rounders going to Seattle.
The issue with getting a trade done now is Wilson would have to cut a $20 mil (I believe that’s the number) check to Seattle to pay back his signing bonus by March 16th. The Bears (or whoever) would then extend or create new paper, that offsets the $20 mil.
Long story short, Wilson is either traded in the next 11 days, or after June 1st.
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I got a text last night from an old friend I hadn’t talked to in years. Ironically he now lives in the Pacific Northwest now (works for Adidas). He said “lots and lots of smoke on Russ heading your way”.
I personally have felt strongly Russ gets traded (more so than Watson). If it’s to Chicago, the Bears are desperate, and I could see something crazy like Jaylon Johnson and three first rounders going to Seattle.
The issue with getting a trade done now is Wilson would have to cut a $20 mil (I believe that’s the number) check to Seattle to pay back his signing bonus by March 16th. The Bears (or whoever) would then extend or create new paper, that offsets the $20 mil.
Long story short, Wilson is either traded in the next 11 days, or after June 1st.
Ug.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Ug.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The Bears only have two players with trade value, Jaylon Johnson and Roquan. Issue with Roquan is another team is only getting two years left on his rookie deal, and then will have to give him a significant contract in 2023. Johnson is arguably the most valuable asset on the roster in terms of trade capital.
Don’t believe any of that Mooney has value or that Mack will be part of any trade (he won’t be).
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The Bears only have two players with trade value, Jaylon Johnson and Roquan. Issue with Roquan is another team is only getting two years left on his rookie deal, and then will have to give him a significant contract in 2023. Johnson is arguably the most valuable asset on the roster in terms of trade capital.
Don’t believe any of that Mooney has value or that Mack will be part of any trade (he won’t be).
Oh. I understand the player value.
I'm talking about giving up that much draft capital.
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Oh. I understand the player value.
I'm talking about giving up that much draft capital.
Meh. Pace will just piss away the draft picks.
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Oh. I understand the player value.
I'm talking about giving up that much draft capital.
You're giving up draft picks for a proven commodity. I FAR prefer this to giving up draft picks to move up or whatnot for a college QB. Even if the Bears had a decent first round track record, would you rather 1 Pro Bowl OL or Linebacker or a proven SB winning QB? People overvalue draft picks. The last 10 picks at #20 have yielded good OLineman but not much else. I can miss out on a Brandin Cooks or Noah Fant for a QB. Assuming that all 3 picks would be very good or contributing players is a mistaken bias.
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You're giving up draft picks for a proven commodity. I FAR prefer this to giving up draft picks to move up or whatnot for a college QB. Even if the Bears had a decent first round track record, would you rather 1 Pro Bowl OL or Linebacker or a proven SB winning QB? People overvalue draft picks. The last 10 picks at #20 have yielded good OLineman but not much else. I can miss out on a Brandin Cooks or Noah Fant for a QB. Assuming that all 3 picks would be very good or contributing players is a mistaken bias.
The problem with that is that you have to fill a roster with a set amount of money and therefore a set amount of talent.
Removing draft picks removes the opportunity for cheap, high level talent
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As a Packer fan I'd worry about the Bears if they got Watson. Russell has God on his side, but I think Watson is significantly better at football.
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As a Packer fan I'd worry about the Bears if they got Watson. Russell has God on his side, but I think Watson is significantly better at football.
Bears won’t have concussions anymore since he invented concussion water
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As a Packer fan I'd worry about the Bears if they got Watson. Russell has God on his side, but I think Watson is significantly better at football.
What is Deshaun going to do in Chicago with no line or skill players? They're going to suck ass regardless of who they get.
There is some decent help on defense, but they have a new coordinator, so that could be a roll of the dice.
Personally, Chicago is headed for a worse record than last year... unless they make a TON of moves.
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What is Deshaun going to do in Chicago with no line or skill players? They're going to suck ass regardless of who they get.
There is some decent help on defense, but they have a new coordinator, so that could be a roll of the dice.
Personally, Chicago is headed for a worse record than last year... unless they make a TON of moves.
Allen Robinson would like a word. That’s not Bears homer talk, dude is an absolute stud who was wasted all year.
Cole Kmet was a top half of a second round pick who looked good and is only 21.
Cohen is supposed to be healthy. And he’s a problem.
If you want to say none of that matters cause Nagy is a bum who can’t play call for shiz. I won’t argue with you. But assuming a legitimate QB who can make plays and actually hit an open target, it’s not like the Bears have no weapons. Mooney would also benefit HUGE from a QB who can actually throw a deep ball.
The OL is a mess, but for my many challenges with the Bears, skill players aren’t the most glaring issue for me
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Allen Robinson would like a word. That’s not Bears homer talk, dude is an absolute stud who was wasted all year.
Cole Kmet was a top half of a second round pick who looked good and is only 21.
Cohen is supposed to be healthy. And he’s a problem.
If you want to say none of that matters cause Nagy is a bum who can’t play call for shiz. I won’t argue with you. But assuming a legitimate QB who can make plays and actually hit an open target, it’s not like the Bears have no weapons. Mooney would also benefit HUGE from a QB who can actually throw a deep ball.
The OL is a mess, but for my many challenges with the Bears, skill players aren’t the most glaring issue for me
No Monte love?
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No Monte love?
I have no clue if Nagy can call even a reasonable run game. Cohen at least is a major threat catching the ball or split out
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Allen Robinson would like a word. That’s not Bears homer talk, dude is an absolute stud who was wasted all year.
Cole Kmet was a top half of a second round pick who looked good and is only 21.
Cohen is supposed to be healthy. And he’s a problem.
If you want to say none of that matters cause Nagy is a bum who can’t play call for shiz. I won’t argue with you. But assuming a legitimate QB who can make plays and actually hit an open target, it’s not like the Bears have no weapons. Mooney would also benefit HUGE from a QB who can actually throw a deep ball.
The OL is a mess, but for my many challenges with the Bears, skill players aren’t the most glaring issue for me
Isn’t Robinson a free agent?
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Isn’t Robinson a free agent?
Yup, and they won't be able to afford him.
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Yup, and they won't be able to afford him.
Pretty sure they're going to tag him
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Pretty sure they're going to tag him
Then they're going to be out of money. It's not a great situation they are in.
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If need be...cut Jimmy Graham. Also, for all their failings, the Bears have been pretty good restructuring contracts, so I can see them reworking Fuller and Hicks deals. Maybe Eddie Jackson.
They don’t have tons of flexibility, but they will keep A Rob and make room for a QB if need be.
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Pretty sure they're going to tag him
Bump
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Cowboys 4 years 160 million for Dak Prescott. I guess one less team for Russell Wilson to be traded to .
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USA Today’s most recent mock had a bevy of trades. Seahawks trading Wilson to the Jets and moving up to #2. Texans trading Watson to Miami for Tua and picks....and then Bears trading with the Giants to move up to 11 to get Mac Jones. Which is probably the most Bears prediction actually. Trade up and forfeit draft capital needed to shore up various holes in the roster...for a QB not in the establish top 4 projected as top 10 picks and who may be around late in the first if not later.
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USA Today’s most recent mock had a bevy of trades. Seahawks trading Wilson to the Jets and moving up to #2. Texans trading Watson to Miami for Tua and picks....and then Bears trading with the Giants to move up to 11 to get Mac Jones. Which is probably the most Bears prediction actually. Trade up and forfeit draft capital needed to shore up various holes in the roster...for a QB not in the establish top 4 projected as top 10 picks and who may be around late in the first if not later.
I am quite worried that the Panthers might do something stoopid like this, too. I don't want Mac Jones, and I certainly don't want to trade up to get him.
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USA Today’s most recent mock had a bevy of trades. Seahawks trading Wilson to the Jets and moving up to #2. Texans trading Watson to Miami for Tua and picks....and then Bears trading with the Giants to move up to 11 to get Mac Jones. Which is probably the most Bears prediction actually. Trade up and forfeit draft capital needed to shore up various holes in the roster...for a QB not in the establish top 4 projected as top 10 picks and who may be around late in the first if not later.
I'd the Bears can fucc up in the draft, they will.
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Tampa Bay re signs Lavonte David 2 years $25 million . A key player on their defense.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lavonte-david-inks-two-year-25-million-extension-with-buccaneers-per-report/
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Chiefs had to release both of their OTs and saved $18 million.
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Chiefs had to release both of their OTs and saved $18 million.
Interesting move based on how the Super Bowl went down.
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Interesting move based on how the Super Bowl went down.
I believe both were hurt and not playing... so yeah very interesting decision.
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Achilles and Back Injuries are tough to come back from. These two may be out the full season recovering so that is likely why they were cut. NFL is a pretty brutal place at times.
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Tom Brady signs contract extension and frees up cap space for the Bucs. Looks like they may be able to sign most of their own free agents
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NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap. Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.
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NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap. Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.
Sounds like Packers are not going to make any noise.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/3/12/22324024/free-agency-predictions-packers-will-sign-some-cap-casualties-but-sit-out-silly-season
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Sounds like Packers are not going to make any noise.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/3/12/22324024/free-agency-predictions-packers-will-sign-some-cap-casualties-but-sit-out-silly-season
Unless Rodgers restructures his contract, they really don't have the cap space to do much. They are still over the cap.
Even then, they might prefer to save that cap space in case Jones wants to resign.
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NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap. Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.
They've just moved to a debt model. Mortgaging your future for the current... which makes sense. CEOs do this all the time. Short term profits over long term sustainability. GMs are beholden to the Owners the same way that CEOs are beholden to their stock holders. If they screw up and get fired, oh well, its the new guy's problem.
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In the NFL it makes sense. Push everything out until your quarterback leaves or retires, then get rid of all your big contracts, take the cap hit, and get some good draft picks in the process.
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GB cuts Tim Boyle. Obviously a $$$ move as they would have had to offer him $2+ mil.
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GB cuts Tim Boyle. Obviously a $$$ move as they would have had to offer him $2+ mil.
*Non-tendered
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NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap. Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.
Agree. But it's not just GMs. I'm quite sure every franchise has a "cap specialist" now, as well as other financial experts. The GM says, "I want Player X, can we figure out a way to get him?" And the cap specialists work their magic. Undoubtedly, some GMs have gotten good at much of the cap stuff themselves, but pretty much all of them get help.
But yes, for some franchises, dealing with the cap used to be a royal cluster.
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*Non-tendered
Right. Amounts to the same thing. They would have had to offer $2.1 mil - and that ain't happening with the lower salary cap when they plan on Love being #2 this year.
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This was an interesting article about the past season written by Leonard Fournette.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/leonard-fournette-nfl-football-tampa-bay-buccaneers
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The "sit this one out" Packers - according to Scoop - re-sign Jones for 4 years.
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Anytime you’re up against the cap and you want to overpay you’re running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.
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Anytime you’re up against the cap and you want to overpay you’re running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.
Your point is well taken, but I think this is a great signing for a couple reasons.
One, you need (at least) two good RBs - both in individual games and over the course of a long year. If they are complimentary, that is even better. I expect they will draft a 3rd in the late rounds.
Second, GB's offense is built off of the run and play action passing. That will continue to be the case now.
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Anytime you’re up against the cap and you want to overpay you’re running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.
They got an amazing deal for him, but I hate signing RBs.
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Drew Brees retiring.
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Personally happy to have AJ back. Love his talent and his attitude and the packers have never really overused him.
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Anytime you’re up against the cap and you want to overpay you’re running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.
Packers rarely franchise anyone. They got Jones for below market value on a team friendly contract.
Typically Packers dont pay running backs either, but Jones is such a dynamic important part of what they do. Dillon's is a good thunder to Jones lightening, they dont do the same things. Losing Jones would have been a big hit to the offense.
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I’ll wait on the final Jones contract details, but I have a very difficult time understanding why they just didn’t franchise him. His cap hit is going to have to be $6 mil or below in 2021 for this to make sense. Packers are going to end up eating Jones dead money eventually while trying to figure out what to pay Dillon.
My guess is Jones gets $19 million in cash in 2021, $6 mil cap hit this year, next year a $14 mil cap hit. Voidable years will have a dead money conversion of $10 million.
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I’ll wait on the final Jones contract details, but I have a very difficult time understanding why they just didn’t franchise him. His cap hit is going to have to be $6 mil or below in 2021 for this to make sense. Packers are going to end up eating Jones dead money eventually while trying to figure out what to pay Dillon.
My guess is Jones gets $19 million in cash in 2021, $6 mil cap hit this year, next year a $14 mil cap hit. Voidable years will have a dead money conversion of $10 million.
The cap hit for this signing will likely be lower than the franchise tag cap number. It also puts him under contract at below market rate for 4-years.
If they franchise him, the chance of him staying longer term is near zero. It also shows other players that GB will not trap you with a franchise tag.
Lots of wins with this deal, I don't see many negatives.
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The cap hit for this signing will likely be lower than the franchise tag cap number. It also puts him under contract at below market rate for 4-years.
If they franchise him, the chance of him staying longer term is near zero. It also shows other players that GB will not trap you with a franchise tag.
Lots of wins with this deal, I don't see many negatives.
Yes, that’s why I targeted $6 mil in 2021. Any number above that would make no sense.
The negative is Green Bay taking on the risk of injury or lack of performance in year 2. Franchise tag means no risk and you franchise him again in 22 when he’ll be 28.
Oh, also...
THEY DRATED A RUNNING BACK IN THE 2ND ROUND.
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Yes, that’s why I targeted $6 mil in 2021. Any number above that would make no sense.
The negative is Green Bay taking on the risk of injury or lack of performance in year 2. Franchise tag means no risk and you franchise him again in 22 when he’ll be 28.
Oh, also...
THEY DRATED A RUNNING BACK IN THE 2ND ROUND.
Yes, the injury risk is always a potential problem. But I like the idea of rewarding players. I think long-term that type of treatment can go a long way.
On the drafted running back. GB needs that power-back compliment. I think the tandem of Jones and Dillon could be brilliant. We'll see, and I'm far from an NFL expert, but I like the possibilities.
The biggest downside I see is that unless they get really creative cap wise, this doesn't really allow them to bring in an impact WR. Possibly sign long term deals for Rodgers, Z'darius, and Adams. Then go sign Golladay. Could be a pretty solid team in that case.
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Yes, that’s why I targeted $6 mil in 2021. Any number above that would make no sense.
The negative is Green Bay taking on the risk of injury or lack of performance in year 2. Franchise tag means no risk and you franchise him again in 22 when he’ll be 28.
Oh, also...
THEY DRATED A RUNNING BACK IN THE 2ND ROUND.
Which is great news. Both guys should be in the 15-17 touches per game range.
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Tagging a player may have saved them some money, but now the Packers have two really good backs that compliment each other tied up for a few years. Tagging a player doesn't always work out well for the team. Lets see how well it works out for the Bears and Robinson. I see that as a distraction coming soon. Remarkably the Packers are going to be keeping nearly everyone save Lindsley after being over 30 million over the cap. Many other teams can't say the same.
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Yes, the injury risk is always a potential problem. But I like the idea of rewarding players. I think long-term that type of treatment can go a long way.
On the drafted running back. GB needs that power-back compliment. I think the tandem of Jones and Dillon could be brilliant. We'll see, and I'm far from an NFL expert, but I like the possibilities.
The biggest downside I see is that unless they get really creative cap wise, this doesn't really allow them to bring in an impact WR. Possibly sign long term deals for Rodgers, Z'darius, and Adams. Then go sign Golladay. Could be a pretty solid team in that case.
Do the Packers really need an impact receiver? I think they need more work on the defensive side of the ball. It would be nice to have an ILB with some speed.
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Do the Packers really need an impact receiver? I think they need more work on the defensive side of the ball. It would be nice to have an ILB with some speed.
Hopefully they address the defense now. I think they are ok at receiver. The bigger need is at cornerback, d line and middle linebacker.
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Aaron Jones averaged 5.5 yards per carry last year. He is an effective receiver and he wants to be in Green Bay. I think this is a good move all the way around.
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I'm split on the Jones signing. On one hand, I don't like tying up lots if cap space in the RB position.
On the other hand, Jones is a playmaker and letting him go would have created a hole on offense.
I really want to see the full contract structure before making a final judgment.
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Hopefully they address the defense now. I think they are ok at receiver. The bigger need is at cornerback, d line and middle linebacker.
Not that he's a world beater but Devin Funchess opted out last year, so there's another body for the receiving corps.
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Not surprising Jamaal Williams headed to Free Agency.
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Corey Linsley headed to the Chargers.
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Anytime you can let arguably the best center in football walk, while paying a 27 year old RB, nearly the same dollars as said all pro center in year 1, after you draft a RB in the second round the year before...ya gotta do it.
Comical.
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Anytime you can let arguably the best center in football walk, while paying a 27 year old RB, nearly the same dollars as said all pro center in year 1, after you draft a RB in the second round the year before...ya gotta do it.
Comical.
Agreed. This was a poor move. Linsley > Jones
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You’re hung up on this drafting a RB thing. It’s a total non issue. The Packers had 2 or more backs on the field more than any team in the NFL last season. They were certainly not going to be going into the season with Dillon as the only back with snaps on the Packers. So either they were drafting a back high after taking a back high last year, or they were bringing back a back after drafting a back high last year. And they’re very different backs. AJ is incredibly dynamic, on an offense with very few playmakers.
You can replace a center very easily, as the Packers showed when Linsley went out.
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Anytime you can let arguably the best center in football walk, while paying a 27 year old RB, nearly the same dollars as said all pro center in year 1, after you draft a RB in the second round the year before...ya gotta do it.
Comical.
Anyone who has followed the Packers for the last year knew Linsley was gone. They could never afford him. I'm not defending the Jones contract, because I agree. Never pay running backs. There are bigger needs in GB than OL... and locking up a center for 5 years 62.5 mil.... I hope that the Chargers enjoy him. Spend money on OTs, not centers.
But, for the record. I'm FULLY on board with the fire Gute crowd. I'd like to spearhead that operation.
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Yeah I’m not worried about Linsley at all. Jones was way more valuable but yeah that contract...
But no way they are going to dish out big bucks for a center. They never have.
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Agreed. This was a poor move. Linsley > Jones
Linsley was never an option. It was never and either or thing.
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The team has a salary cap and they have to fit players into that into a relative value matrix . This incorporates talent and positional need .
My view is Aaron Jones was worth the money . The Packers have a very solid backfield with one explosive guy and one grind it out guy. Packers need good running backs for a credible play action game.
Linemen can be found. The premium offensive line position is left tackle for which the Packers are paying up well.
The only problem the Packers had last year was their coach making a terrible play call on fourth and goal with the game on the line versus Tampa Bay
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You’re hung up on this drafting a RB thing. It’s a total non issue. The Packers had 2 or more backs on the field more than any team in the NFL last season. They were certainly not going to be going into the season with Dillon as the only back with snaps on the Packers. So either they were drafting a back high after taking a back high last year, or they were bringing back a back after drafting a back high last year. And they’re very different backs. AJ is incredibly dynamic, on an offense with very few playmakers.
You can replace a center very easily, as the Packers showed when Linsley went out.
Agreed. They don't want Jones as a 25 touches per game guy. They want it closer to 15-17. Having a good 2nd back is necessary for LaFluer's offense.
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Anytime you can let arguably the best center in football walk, while paying a 27 year old RB, nearly the same dollars as said all pro center in year 1, after you draft a RB in the second round the year before...ya gotta do it.
Comical.
Silly comment. You may not agree with it, but it is not as slam dunk and “comical” as you make it. Linsley is approaching the wrong side of 30 and already has missed games with back issues. They have players on the roster that can replace Linsley now. Drafting a running back in the second last year has nothing to do with it. Le Fleur’s offense is based on running the ball. They need at least two good backs and Jones catches passes out of the back field and occasionally lines up wide.
You could make an argument either way, but its not like it’s clear cut as you make it out to be.
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Dalton to the Bears for 10 million.
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Outside of him being Andy Dalton...THEY COULD HAVE SIGNED HIM A YEAR AGO...and not forfeited a 4th round pick for Foles.
Dumb/Stupid/Idiotic...I give up.
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Hold on....$10 million?
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Outside of him being Andy Dalton...THEY COULD HAVE SIGNED HIM A YEAR AGO...and not forfeited a 4th round pick for Foles.
Dumb/Stupid/Idiotic...I give up.
The Bears continue to make being a Bears fan increasingly difficult.
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Does this mean no Russ?
Edit: just saw a schefter say they’re not trading him.
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Does this mean no Russ?
Edit: just saw a schefter say they’re not trading him.
They never were going to trade Russ.
Poor Allen Robinson.
Who has been passing to him in his career:
372 att - Blake Bortles
301 att - Mitchell Trubisky
69 att - Nick Foles
29 att - Chase Daniel
11 att - Chad Henne
1 att - Bryan Walters
1 att - Tyler Bray
And now, the Red Rifle (who's actually be the best of the bunch)
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Just keep Trubisky at that point
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Outside of him being Andy Dalton...THEY COULD HAVE SIGNED HIM A YEAR AGO...and not forfeited a 4th round pick for Foles.
Dumb/Stupid/Idiotic...I give up.
They franchise Robinson, delay his payday for a year and likely create some tension and mild animosity...and now add Dalton. Just unreal front office malpractice. Cant wait for a sh**show of a draft in a few weeks. Probably trade up for Kellen Mond a round too early and rush him out in week 7 to save their jobs making the Dalton money a waste.
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Honestly I hope Robinson refuses to play
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They never were going to trade Russ.
Poor Allen Robinson.
Who has been passing to him in his career:
372 att - Blake Bortles
301 att - Mitchell Trubisky
69 att - Nick Foles
29 att - Chase Daniel
11 att - Chad Henne
1 att - Bryan Walters
1 att - Tyler Bray
And now, the Red Rifle (who's actually be the best of the bunch)
And Pace is responsible for 6/7th of that list, failing to get a RPO QB for Nagy's system. GM Malpractice is right.
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Belichick gone wild! Just signed Hunter Henry, which means 2 TEs in 2 days for nearly $60M guaranteed - in addition to all the other dough they’ve spent.
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I don’t understand the urgency to sign Dalton. Just wait out the market, see what happens around the league. If you lose out on Andy Dalton (?!?!!), who cares.
The play was to wait things out, and of course the Bears did the exact opposite.
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Just keep Trubisky at that point
He can’t go back. It would be a disaster.
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I don’t understand the urgency to sign Dalton. Just wait out the market, see what happens around the league. If you lose out on Andy Dalton (?!?!!), who cares.
The play was to wait things out, and of course the Bears did the exact opposite.
Right.
Vegas is likely to cut Mariotta unless they can trade him, and he'd have been a far better scheme fit and - if healthy - a QB with some upside.
Seems like this a precursor to them drafting a QB.
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They never were going to trade Russ.
Poor Allen Robinson.
Who has been passing to him in his career:
372 att - Blake Bortles
301 att - Mitchell Trubisky
69 att - Nick Foles
29 att - Chase Daniel
11 att - Chad Henne
1 att - Bryan Walters
1 att - Tyler Bray
And now, the Red Rifle (who's actually be the best of the bunch)
The list of Bears QBs during the time the Packers have had 2 is always good for a chuckle.
And Pace is responsible for 6/7th of that list, failing to get a RPO QB for Nagy's system. GM Malpractice is right.
Didn't Nagy have some input on at least a few of those? And Dalton?
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So they whiffed on watson and wilson and decided to pay Dalton for about the same performance level as Foles?
Wtf?
And, in case you're considering that Dalton is going to mentor a young rookie that the Bears would draft.. there's no way you pay $10mil/1 year for a backup. I hope.
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So they whiffed on watson and wilson and decided to pay Dalton for about the same performance level as Foles?
Wtf?
And, in case you're considering that Dalton is going to mentor a young rookie that the Bears would draft.. there's no way you pay $10mil/1 year for a backup. I hope.
Look what they did with Glennon. Overpay for a “stopgap” then ditch them midstream for the rookie anyways. I see the same thing happening, but there is no way they get a top QB in this draft so it will be even more excruciating
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Look what they did with Glennon. Overpay for a “stopgap” then ditch them midstream for the rookie anyways. I see the same thing happening, but there is no way they get a top QB in this draft so it will be even more excruciating
Probably trade up for mac jones.
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Bears have had trouble at the quarterback position since Sid Luckman retired.
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I’m glad my teams debatable move is signing Aaron Jones rather than a center.
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I’m glad my teams debatable move is signing Aaron Jones rather than a center.
Raider cut their center 3 time pro bowl center. Maybe he can be lured to Green Bay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjEvTVxeZI
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I mean this makes me feel a little better
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1372193691041996803?s=21
And there are rumors going around that it was going to happen until Pete Carroll blocked it.
But still, why rush to sign Andy Dalton...
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I mean this makes me feel a little better
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1372193691041996803?s=21
And there are rumors going around that it was going to happen until Pete Carroll blocked it.
But still, why rush to sign Andy Dalton...
That makes me feel 0% better. They still didn’t get it done and then hurriedly panicked signed a bum. This franchise is doomed
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They should have gotten rid of Pace and Nagy.
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I mean this makes me feel a little better
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1372193691041996803?s=21
And there are rumors going around that it was going to happen until Pete Carroll blocked it.
But still, why rush to sign Andy Dalton...
Gee, I wonder who would have the motivation to anonymously leak these reports?
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Gee, I wonder who would have the motivation to anonymously leak these reports?
Andy Dalton's agent? 😝
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The breakdown of this Aaron Jones deal sounds like a heck of a deal for the Packers.
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The breakdown of this Aaron Jones deal sounds like a heck of a deal for the Packers.
No kidding. Essentially a 2 yr $20 million deal, but the cap hit is spread out over 3 seasons.
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Rumor is Jamaal Williams to Detroit. 2 years 7 mil.
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Detroit media reporting it as done.
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He's a good back. If Jones got away, I would have been perfectly happy retaining Williams.
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That makes me feel 0% better. They still didn’t get it done and then hurriedly panicked signed a bum. This franchise is doomed
Glennon, Trubiskey, Daniels, Foles, Dalton are more than "a" bum. That's 5 bums.
Now I expect these idiots to draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round (maybe even 1st) to be a 3rd stringer who will get 0 reps in practice. The Bearsy-ish guy out there is Ian Book.
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Detroit media reporting it as done.
Good deal for Detroit and Williams. Average runner. Above average receiver and pass protector.
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Detroit media reporting it as done.
And the Lions search for a post-Barry running game plods on.
They've drafted six RBs in the first or second round since 2010 and have very little to show for it.
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Eternally. Swift, Williams, and probably Kerryon Johnson. And they are going to have to contribute behind Goff.
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Rather than stay with the coaching staff that knew how to use him (the Panthers), WR Curtis Samuel signed with the Washington team ... and a coaching staff that spent 3 years under-utilizing him when that same staff ran the Panthers.
The WFT had more money to spend, so I guess I don't blame him for bolting. And maybe Rivera's people actually learned a few things watching how the Panthers deployed him.
I'll miss Samuel, who became one of my favorite players last season. But the Panthers have a ton of needs, and the draft is deep in WRs.
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Larry Fitzgerald is a free agent for the first time in his career.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/17/larry-fitzgerald-is-officially-a-free-agent-for-the-first-time/
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My gosh, do the Bears suck.
Even the old lady is growling under her breath, "Good God, my team sucks!"
Virginia McCaskey will go straight to heaven because Purgatory for her has been putting up with the piece of s*it team her sons and grandsons have driven into the ground.
The only team with more loyal fans than the Bears is the Packers and at least Packer fans are periodically rewarded. Bear fans are still living in the twilight shadow of a Super Bowl victory from 35 years ago.
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I'm pretty sure Virginia is part of the problem.
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I'm pretty sure Virginia is part of the problem.
Indeed
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My gosh, do the Bears suck.
Even the old lady is growling under her breath, "Good God, my team sucks!"
Virginia McCaskey will go straight to heaven because Purgatory for her has been putting up with the piece of s*it team her sons and grandsons have driven into the ground.
The only team with more loyal fans than the Bears is the Packers and at least Packer fans are periodically rewarded. Bear fans are still living in the twilight shadow of a Super Bowl victory from 35 years ago.
This is just being kind cause she’s a very elderly woman...
I'm pretty sure Virginia is part of the problem.
Precisely. She created the culture of McCaskey nepotism and complacency. She put her unqualified son in charge of the team and let him run it into the ground. Keeping with the family carte blanche, they have allowed Ted Phillips to run the team terribly for decades. It’s one of the premier franchises in the NFL and they haven’t had a true football person in one of the 3 most important seats for 30 years. Virginia is also part of the reason they live in purgatory cause they refuse to bottom out as she’s been quoted as saying she wants to win now repeatedly. I don’t wish the end of life on anyone but I won’t miss her when she’s gone and her dipcrap offspring are forced to sell the team.
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This is just being kind cause she’s a very elderly woman...
Precisely. She created the culture of McCaskey nepotism and complacency. She put her unqualified son in charge of the team and let him run it into the ground. Keeping with the family carte blanche, they have allowed Ted Phillips to run the team terribly for decades. It’s one of the premier franchises in the NFL and they haven’t had a true football person in one of the 3 most important seats for 30 years. Virginia is also part of the reason they live in purgatory cause they refuse to bottom out as she’s been quoted as saying she wants to win now repeatedly. I don’t wish the end of life on anyone but I won’t miss her when she’s gone and her dipcrap offspring are forced to sell the team.
Michael was incompetent. George is timid. Ted is a bean counter.
No surprise the franchise has done very little during their tenures. This franchise is lost until Virginia dies. But, at this point, she's going to live to be 110.
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Reports of Trubisky to the Bills, 1 year 2.5 million
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Reports of Trubisky to the Bills, 1 year 2.5 million
Pace and Nagy are playing chess while rest of NFL is playing checkers. Send Mitch out for a year to learn under an all-pro then bring him back to lead the Bears to a super bowl.
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Michael was incompetent. George is timid. Ted is a bean counter.
No surprise the franchise has done very little during their tenures. This franchise is lost until Virginia dies. But, at this point, she's going to live to be 110.
Gang, there's too many shirt-tail Halases and McCaskeys who are living off that team. You've got a family that if they didn't have the Bears would be barely qualified to manage a low-end food cart, much less a multi-billion empire. They'll NEVER sell. Someone would have to offer them about $15 billion to even think about it.
The Green Bay Packers will be sold before the McCaskeys sell the Bears -- and we all know when the Packers will be sold -- NEVER!!!!
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Gang, there's too many shirt-tail Halases and McCaskeys who are living off that team. You've got a family that if they didn't have the Bears would be barely qualified to manage a low-end food cart, much less a multi-billion empire. They'll NEVER sell. Someone would have to offer them about $15 billion to even think about it.
The Green Bay Packers will be sold before the McCaskeys sell the Bears -- and we all know when the Packers will be sold -- NEVER!!!!
As long as Virginia is living, this is true.
However, once she is gone, different ballgame. The structure of the ownership shares after her passing is reportedly very complex and convoluted. Shares going to family members across the generations. Some are involved with the team, many others are not. George McCaskey is going to have his hands full keeping it all together.
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As long as Virginia is living, this is true.
However, once she is gone, different ballgame. The structure of the ownership shares after her passing is reportedly very complex and convoluted. Shares going to family members across the generations. Some are involved with the team, many others are not. George McCaskey is going to have his hands full keeping it all together.
Exactly. They structured it in a way to potentially avoid inheritance tax issues when she dies, but it could end up biting them. Plus, the Bears are supremely undervalued due to the McCaskeys being inept. So while nobody is making a bid while Virginia is alive, the windfall from a deep pocketed owner to be could be very inviting to the hangers on and there will be plenty
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Bears just released Fuller because they signed Dalton when they already have Foles.
Just a staggering level of incompetence.
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Guys, call me crazy, but I’m disliking these Bears moves.
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Guys, call me crazy, but I’m disliking these Bears moves.
Cutting Fuller before Graham is completely bizarre to me but these are the Bears so....
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Guys, call me crazy, but I’m disliking these Bears moves.
At least Robert Quinn is still on the roster
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Guys, call me crazy, but I’m disliking these Bears moves.
Quinn + Dalton = Fuller release.
Will Hicks be next?
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At least Robert Quinn is still on the roster
Thank you, Mr. Pace. Terrible contract so they would take a huge cap hit by releasing Quinn.
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Is this where Arod says re-do my contract to open cap room for Fuller. It would take some work, but gotta act when the window is open.
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10 year/$100 billion for the NFL. Wow.
I'm assuming cables prices will continue to increase.
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Quinn + Dalton = Fuller release.
Will Hicks be next?
Hicks wants a trade
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They’re such a $hit show. I hope they luck into some guys in this draft and then rightfully have the dumpster fire of a season that is forthcoming. Everyone in that organization deserves misery. I’m eff’n miserable.
I was busy yesterday but that Jones contract voidable years aren’t as bad as I anticipated. I’ve been adamant on my stance on paying or drafting RB’s (for years on here), but his contract is fine. I’d still have preferred they signed Linsley, but that’s me.
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A Rob looked at the dried up WR free agent market and took the guaranteed $18 million. Smart move.
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DISNEY - The Walt Disney Company, ESPN and National Football League Reach Landmark Long-Term Agreement
23 regular season games (up from 17)
Includes 3 weeks with a separate game on ABC
Saturday doubleheader in the season's final week (both simulcast on ABC and ESPN) [Starts with the 2021 season]
1 Sunday morning game on ESPN+
Rights to the Pro Bowl
Flex scheduling (12 days' notice) starting in week 12
1 divisional playoff game each year
NBCU -NBCUNIVERSAL AND NFL REACH 11-YEAR EXTENSION & EXPANSION FOR SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, PRIMETIME TV’S #1 SHOW
All games streamed on Peacock
New exclusive, expanded postgame show on Peacock
1 game each year from 2023 through 2028 exclusively on Peacock (an additional ergular season game)
2 Wild Card games following 2023, 2026, and 2031 seasons (1 wild card game in other years)
CBS - VIACOMCBS AND NFL REACH NEW LONG-TERM MULTIPLATFORM RIGHTS AGREEMENT THROUGH THE 2033 SEASON
All games on CBS Television Network will be streamed on Paramount+
Remains home of the AFC, but includes "expanded schedule of games featuring teams from the NFC"
10 doubleheader weekends and 8 singleheaders
2 wild card games in 2024, 2029, and 2033 seasons (1 game in other years)
Fox -Fox Corporation Announces New Eleven-Year Media Rights Agreement with the National Football League
Remains home of the NFC
New NFL experience on Tubi including VOD and condensed games
Rights to special Christmas Day games if scheduled
Amazon - Amazon Prime Video Makes History as the First Streaming Service to Secure an Exclusive National Broadcast Package From the NFL, Becoming the Home for Thursday Night Football Beginning in 2023
10 year agreement [** - NOT 11 years like the other contracts]
Exclusive home to 15 Thursday Night Football games (up from 11 in the previous deal
Games will remain available free and over-the-air in the markets of the 2 teams playing
Super Bowls by network (by season, not by the year the game is played)
CBS - 2023, 2027, 2031
Fox - 2024, 2028, 2032
NBC - 2025, 2029, 2033
ABC/ESPN - 2026, 2030
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Here are the money figures tallied up with regard to the last deal:
ESPN: $2 billion to $2.7 billion
CBS: $1 billion to $2.1 billion
FOX: $1.1 billion to $2 billion, but they save $600 million now that TNF is gone (that package is averaging $400 million in losses)
NBC: $950 million to $2 billion.
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I guess sports on TV aren't quite dead yet.
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I guess sports on TV aren't quite dead yet.
For football at least I thought the opposite was true. The television experience is so much better than being there, at least in terms of viewing the game.
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Is this where Arod says re-do my contract to open cap room for Fuller. It would take some work, but gotta act when the window is open.
Maybe, Packers made an offer on his tender in 2018 forcing the Bears to match. Based on the Packers activity in the free agent market so far it doesn't seem likely.
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I'm wondering if Rodgers is holding off on a restructure based on what he wants to see added to the team.
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I'm wondering if Rodgers is holding off on a restructure based on what he wants to see added to the team.
Thats what I am thinking. They probably have an agreement in place and are waiting until they find someone they need to sign. No need to announce anything now as long as they are under the cap. Adams too.
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I'm wondering if Rodgers is holding off on a restructure based on what he wants to see added to the team.
I'm worried that it's Gutey holding off. I would think a re-structure would mean Aaron is in GB for at least 3 more years. Gutey may want to go Jerry Krause on us all and show that he can build a team on his own with his anointed guy at QB. And, just like with Krause, that would be a huge mistake.
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Tony Buzbee is now up to 12 women and allegedly speaking to 10 more about claims against Deshaun Watson. And contrary to what’s been said or reported, the Houston PD stated today that they have received no contact or communication as of yet about criminal charges. So all the cases are civil.
Sexual assault is not something to be brushed aside and victims deserve to be heard and not shamed, but my god is this fishier by the day.
Either Deshaun Watson is a prolific and rampant sexual predator who has been terrorizing women with no smoke or rumor around him for the last few years, despite a sterling reputation around Houston (my cousin’s husband is an assistant with the Texans and couldn’t rave more about him), allegations that have rapidly came to light as he’s openly and publicly been feuding with the team and requesting a trade.
Or this is a PR hit by a lawyer with a history of attention seeking public behavior who happens to be a good friend and neighbor of Cal McNair.
Regardless, this is as wild a story as I’ve seen in awhile
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Tony Buzbee is now up to 12 women and allegedly speaking to 10 more about claims against Deshaun Watson. And contrary to what’s been said or reported, the Houston PD stated today that they have received no contact or communication as of yet about criminal charges. So all the cases are civil.
Sexual assault is not something to be brushed aside and victims deserve to be heard and not shamed, but my god is this fishier by the day.
Either Deshaun Watson is a prolific and rampant sexual predator who has been terrorizing women with no smoke or rumor around him for the last few years, despite a sterling reputation around Houston (my cousin’s husband is an assistant with the Texans and couldn’t rave more about him), allegations that have rapidly came to light as he’s openly and publicly been feuding with the team and requesting a trade.
Or this is a PR hit by a lawyer with a history of attention seeking public behavior who happens to be a good friend and neighbor of Cal McNair.
Regardless, this is as wild a story as I’ve seen in awhile
Who knows, definitely a crazy story that just exploded in a few days. The connection between McNair and Buzbee does raise an eyebrow. That said, the fact they know each other doesn't mean the allegations against Watson are false.
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Need to see if there is an email trail between Buzbee and Rasputin.
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Is Wilson to the bears not dead yet? Some smoke going around.
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Is Wilson to the bears not dead yet? Some smoke going around.
Until its definitively reported, im not even letting myself consider it. Im just assuming its another season of misery with Dalton.
In other QB news, SF sending a bunch of picks to Miami to move up to 3? Dang. That changes up the calculus of the top 5 picks a bit.
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Until its definitively reported, im not even letting myself consider it. Im just assuming its another season of misery with Dalton.
In other QB news, SF sending a bunch of picks to Miami to move up to 3? Dang. That changes up the calculus of the top 5 picks a bit.
The Dolphins get extra mileage out of the Tunsil deal.
Jimmy G got the dreaded vote of confidence today from the 49ers. But the 49ers didn't give up that much draft capital to not select a QB. Trey Lance is the name being throw out there.
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Leonard Fournette signs with Bucs. Tampa now has all 22 starters from Super Bowl returning
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/03/26/bucs-reach-agreement-with-running-back-leonard-fournette/
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With yesterday's trades, it looks like the top 3 picks are set: Jax - Lawrence; NYJ - Wilson; SF - Fields (unless SF prefers Lance to Fields).
The next few will be interesting. Will Atl take Fields/Lance as heir apparent to Ryan? Will Cinci go OT or WR/TE? Mia likely takes one of the stud WR, but will Det go QB if Fields/Lance available even though they traded for Goff? Caro apparently wants Fields or Lance; is there any chance one will still be there at 8 or will they have to trade up?
With all the legal stuff buzzing around him, it's hard to believe Hou will be able to trade Watson in less than a month.
QB intrigue!
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The Dolphins overall return on Tunsil is truly staggering.
4 1sts
2 2nds
1 3rd
The Bengals are gigantic winners with all this trade action. The best spot (IMO) to be in the draft is the first team that doesn’t have to draft a QB. I personally would take Sewell if I were Cincy, and lock down a stud left tackle for the next decade. They’ll be plenty of WR’s they can take early in Round 2.
It won’t happen, but it’s be funny to see ATL say “eff it” and take Chase at 4, then they line up Julio/Ridley/Chase.
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The Dolphins overall return on Tunsil is truly staggering.
4 1sts
2 2nds
1 3rd
The Bengals are gigantic winners with all this trade action. The best spot (IMO) to be in the draft is the first team that doesn’t have to draft a QB. I personally would take Sewell if I were Cincy, and lock down a stud left tackle for the next decade. They’ll be plenty of WR’s they can take early in Round 2.
It won’t happen, but it’s be funny to see ATL say “eff it” and take Chase at 4, then they line up Julio/Ridley/Chase.
Still need to win and Tua is still a question mark, but Chris Grier has been extremely impressive in his 5 years.
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What do folks think of Mac Jones' potential as an NFL QB?
He seems mechanical to me, and judging from photos I've seen of his workouts, he looks like he enjoys 6-packs rather than having 6-pack abs. But he actually moves quite well - 4.7 time in the 40 - and it's impossible to argue with his production at Bama.
Aside from Lawrence, he's arguably the most known quantity among all the QBs available. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.
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What do folks think of Mac Jones' potential as an NFL QB?
He seems mechanical to me, and judging from photos I've seen of his workouts, he looks like he enjoys 6-packs rather than having 6-pack abs. But he actually moves quite well - 4.7 time in the 40 - and it's impossible to argue with his production at Bama.
Aside from Lawrence, he's arguably the most known quantity among all the QBs available. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.
I think Jones is good. 2nd round good. I think it is tough to judge someone when they have weapons all over the place on offense, but he throws the ball well.
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I think Jones is good. 2nd round good. I think it is tough to judge someone when they have weapons all over the place on offense, but he throws the ball well.
You could make the same weapons case against Lawrence and Fields, I suppose.
Jones to me is one of those guys whose whole is better than the sum of his parts. Not a stellar athlete. Good, but not great, size. Good enough arm, but won't wow you like Zach Wilson. His one outstanding trait is that he reads the game really well and knows his limitations, and thus rarely makes the wrong throw.
In the right situation, I think he can be a good NFL QB, but maybe not the guy who's going to carry a team on his back.
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Yeah, it's hard to get a read on Jones. He said his strength was executing whatever the coach's game plan was -- he would always listen to the coach. That's a good thing, mostly, but again it suggest a bit of a robotic playing style.
Mel Kiper has him going 3rd overall to SF. Others have him going late first round or early second. The Panthers, who desperately want a QB, don't appear to be high on him, though Rhule has said nice things about him after working with him at the Senior Bowl.
I'm not excited about him ... which means he'll probably be a superstar - ha!
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Yeah, it's hard to get a read on Jones. He said his strength was executing whatever the coach's game plan was -- he would always listen to the coach. That's a good thing, mostly, but again it suggest a bit of a robotic playing style.
Mel Kiper has him going 3rd overall to SF. Others have him going late first round or early second. The Panthers, who desperately want a QB, don't appear to be high on him, though Rhule has said nice things about him after working with him at the Senior Bowl.
I'm not excited about him ... which means he'll probably be a superstar - ha!
That 3rd pick is solely based on the Niners trading up and Shanahan going to his pro day/supposedly liking him. I think it’s all a bit crazy. But hey, if it means the Bears don’t try to trade up into the teens to take him, I’m good.
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Yeah, it's hard to get a read on Jones. He said his strength was executing whatever the coach's game plan was -- he would always listen to the coach. That's a good thing, mostly, but again it suggest a bit of a robotic playing style.
Mel Kiper has him going 3rd overall to SF. Others have him going late first round or early second. The Panthers, who desperately want a QB, don't appear to be high on him, though Rhule has said nice things about him after working with him at the Senior Bowl.
I'm not excited about him ... which means he'll probably be a superstar - ha!
I think the fact that he is all over the board in the 1st round is a good thing. The great coaches and GMs are looking for a guy that will fit their system - not just the most physically gifted QB.
What we know is that teams will reach for a QB. We also know that the majority of them will fail.
That’s why studies have shown that the secret to a good draft is having more picks than other teams.
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What do folks think of Mac Jones' potential as an NFL QB?
He seems mechanical to me, and judging from photos I've seen of his workouts, he looks like he enjoys 6-packs rather than having 6-pack abs. But he actually moves quite well - 4.7 time in the 40 - and it's impossible to argue with his production at Bama.
Aside from Lawrence, he's arguably the most known quantity among all the QBs available. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.
Jones is a polished Quarterback who ran the Alabama system well. It appears from casual observation to make good reads. If that continues he will find a place in the NFL if not as a starter, then definitely a 2nd or 3rd string QB. Guys who can throw the ball on the money to the right receiver are worth something.
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That 3rd pick is solely based on the Niners trading up and Shanahan going to his pro day/supposedly liking him. I think it’s all a bit crazy. But hey, if it means the Bears don’t try to trade up into the teens to take him, I’m good.
I got the Panthers’ #8 overall pick for ya, Wags. It’ll only cost you an extra first and second!
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The more quarterbacks going early, the better the defender who never produces for the Lions.
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I’m a Bears fan and this off-season has made it harder to be than ever.
Dalton signing is baffling, but I put it all on the owners. What did they expect when you bring back a lame duck coach and GM scrambling to save their jobs. You don’t get the one thing we need..... a plan.
Nagy and pace should’ve gone, then you run Foles out there next year, take your lumps, and build the team. Go hard at rebuilding that OL to start.
Wilson was never coming, and you dodged a bullet not getting Watson.
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Texans may be worried that Watsons troubles may end up in his suspension . They may pick up Alex Smith as insurance
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Deshaun-Watson-investigation-Houston-Texas-could-sign-Alex-Smith-Washington-Football-Team-163552874/
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The more quarterbacks going early, the better the defender who never produces for the Lions.
Even though the Panthers need a QB, and there are some decent prospects, I'm not really digging any of them other than Lawrence. And there are so many incredible receivers, as well as offensive tackles, the latter of which is an area of huge need. So part of me is hoping all the QBs go before the Panthers draft so my team can get one of the much higher-ranked players.
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Even though the Panthers need a QB, and there are some decent prospects, I'm not really digging any of them other than Lawrence. And there are so many incredible receivers, as well as offensive tackles, the latter of which is an area of huge need. So part of me is hoping all the QBs go before the Panthers draft so my team can get one of the much higher-ranked players.
The Florida Tight End looks very good to me.
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The Florida Tight End looks very good to me.
Herman, this is a family friendly board...
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Hey, he didn't say anything about the loose end, aina?
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The Florida Tight End looks very good to me.
I agree, 9-9-9.
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I know Jalen Suggs is going to be a very high NBA draft pick and will get three years of good money guaranteed. However, his NBA tenure may not work out.
However, would it be worth the Vikings ( or any other team) using their 7th round pick to select Jalen Suggs? Theory being many of the 7th rounders don't work out. Suggs was a great high school quarterback and someday may fancy playing the game professionally. Drafting him locks up the rights to his professional services. Was thinking the Vikings since that is his hometown team.
Many years ago the St. Louis Football Cardinals did this with Kirk Gibson knowing he had already chosen baseball. Gibson was a tremendous college football player, who only played one year of baseball, but made the decision to play baseball for longer career potential. So he was drafted by the Tigers and had a very good long career as planned. If things didn't work out so fast in Baseball as they did for Gibson , he very well might have gone the football route.
Obviously Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson played both football and baseball. Charlie Wood was a better football player and played pro basketball.
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However, would it be worth the Vikings ( or any other team) using their 7th round pick to select Jalen Suggs?
No.
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Charlie Wood was a better football player and played pro basketball.
Charlie Ward won a Heisman and still chose basketball.
As for the question, short of completely and utterly flaming out so badly that no NBA teams would touch him like Anthony Bennett, Suggs should never think about football ever again. The money is just not even close.
There are 5 QBs with contracts that guarantee at least $70MM over its lifetime. There are 17 players in the NBA who are guaranteed that much in the next 2 seasons alone. Joe Burrow signed a 4 year $36MM contract, which actually puts him in the top half of QBs. That entire contract is less than what Jrue Holiday is getting per year.
If Suggs would be the #1 pick in the NFL draft at QB or a lottery pick in the NBA, it’s still a complete no brainer to pick basketball.
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No team is wasting a draft pick on Suggs.
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No team is wasting a draft pick on Suggs.
Also, he’s not draft eligible until the 2023 draft, so there’s that.
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Also, he’s not draft eligible until the 2023 draft, so there’s that.
I guess some ideas are better than others lol
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Charlie Wood was a better football player and played pro basketball.
Ward also went undrafted by the NFL, so it made the decision to play basketball an easy one for him.
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Looks like MU82 has got his new QB ... Sam Darnold to the Panthers for 2nd and 4th round picks in 2022 and a 6th round pick in 2021.
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I actually think this could be a sneaky good trade for Carolina. I think Darnold is better than he has shown.
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Looks like MU82 has got his new QB ... Sam Darnold to the Panthers for 2nd and 4th round picks in 2022 and a 6th round pick in 2021.
Yeah, I just saw that.
First, I haven't seen Darnold enough to know if he's good, bad or just meh. He had enough raw talent to be drafted No. 3 overall, but the Jets had very few offensive weapons and bad coaching, so it's hard for me to know what happened there.
Second, didn't give up much for him, as you stated. If he ends up flourishing in Charlotte, that will have been a microscopic price to have paid.
And third (and mostly), I wasn't in love with the QB options the Panthers would have had on draft day. The Panthers have serious needs at LT, CB and TE, and now they absolutely will get a stud at one of those positions because they don't have to reach for a QB. Or they can even trade down and maybe fill two of those positions. So I really like the draft flexibility they'll have now.
Worst part of getting Darnold, to me, is that by next month the Panthers have to decide if they want to exercise his fifth-year option of $18.9 million guaranteed for 2022. That's a ton of money for a guy who hasn't done squadoosh, but I'll try to look at it more like a two-year, $23.6M deal, because he has such a low salary this season.
And if Watson gets out of his legal entanglements and hits the trade market, they now have a young QB to include in a trade for him if all parties are still interested.
All in all, I'm open-minded about this. Rhule has been a pretty good judge of talent so far, and if he likes Darnold, I'm gonna be optimistic about it, too.
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With the high rate of 1st round QB flops, I think this was a good decision for Carolina.
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Feels like it was a tad too much to give up for Darnold, but it wasn’t egregious. I think the 4th round pick was the too steep portion. They’ll have to pick up the fifth year option due to the picks they gave up, but the cap should go up (instead of down) next season. Overall seems fine to take two years to see, and go from there.
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Looks like MU82 has got his new QB ... Sam Darnold to the Panthers for 2nd and 4th round picks in 2022 and a 6th round pick in 2021.
This has a been a frequent discussion on New York sports talk radio for the last 3 months.
The consensus seems to be that Sam was ruined by two horrible coaching regimes of the Jets. Neither knew what the hell they were doing with him. He has top flight talent and needs a reset somewhere else with a good coach so he can flourish.
Jets have seem set on Zach Wilson since the Saleh hire.
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All in all, I'm open-minded about this. Rhule has been a pretty good judge of talent so far, and if he likes Darnold, I'm gonna be optimistic about it, too.
Rhule gave Tedy Bridgewater $33 million guaranteed 12 months ago, and now is trading three draft picks for his replacement ... a replacement who's going to be owed $18 million next year or he's a one-year rental.
So, how much do you really trust his judgement?
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Rhule gave Tedy Bridgewater $33 million guaranteed 12 months ago, and now is trading three draft picks for his replacement ... a replacement who's going to be owed $18 million next year or he's a one-year rental.
So, how much do you really trust his judgement?
Well, as I said, I’m open minded and I’m an optimist.
Bridgewater was pretty good last season before he got hurt.
We’ll see how it works out.
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Texans may be worried that Watsons troubles may end up in his suspension . They may pick up Alex Smith as insurance
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Deshaun-Watson-investigation-Houston-Texas-could-sign-Alex-Smith-Washington-Football-Team-163552874/
has any pro player done the huber thing?
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The Watson case continues to get more and more complex and wild. Character witnesses coming forward by name to support Watson is what I believe forced Buzzbee’s hand to bring forth the public testimony of the masseuse who had the presser yesterday.
Heard a good breakdown on the radio about how though the cases/plaintiffs are piling up, the evidence is still a bit in the hearsay realm and not super strong. Also, interesting comments on how Buzzbee seems to be angling to go to law enforcement authorities above the state/local level, but still not sure if that’s a bluff or not. Additionally, kind of bizarre how he’s seemingly choosing to stage this in the court of public opinion instead of legal channels.
Best related tweet I saw today was “At this point, Watson is either Bill Cosby...or Rubin Carter. No middle ground anymore”
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The Watson case continues to get more and more complex and wild. Character witnesses coming forward by name to support Watson is what I believe forced Buzzbee’s hand to bring forth the public testimony of the masseuse who had the presser yesterday.
Heard a good breakdown on the radio about how though the cases/plaintiffs are piling up, the evidence is still a bit in the hearsay realm and not super strong. Also, interesting comments on how Buzzbee seems to be angling to go to law enforcement authorities above the state/local level, but still not sure if that’s a bluff or not. Additionally, kind of bizarre how he’s seemingly choosing to stage this in the court of public opinion instead of legal channels.
Best related tweet I saw today was “At this point, Watson is either Bill Cosby...or Rubin Carter. No middle ground anymore”
Buzzbee really seems to be pushing to publicly embarrass Watson to a point where he might decide to just pay a big settlement to get this out of the public eye. That type of approach makes it look like a sham of a case.
Really a disservice to so many people out there that have been victims, and possibly even his clients (depending on evidence). Victims need to go to police, need to have their voice heard in court, and the perpetrators held accountable. Pushing this as a public narrative is a disservice to everyone involved except for the lawyer picking up a paycheck.
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Buzzbee really seems to be pushing to publicly embarrass Watson to a point where he might decide to just pay a big settlement to get this out of the public eye. That type of approach makes it look like a sham of a case.
Really a disservice to so many people out there that have been victims, and possibly even his clients (depending on evidence). Victims need to go to police, need to have their voice heard in court, and the perpetrators held accountable. Pushing this as a public narrative is a disservice to everyone involved except for the lawyer picking up a paycheck.
Sexual assault victims often use civil courts in high profile cases because the threshold of evidence is lower than in criminal courts. (As it should be.) To claim that this route does a "disservice" to other alleged victims shows that you don't understand the realities of trying to prove criminal assault took place. This is probably their best shot at justice.
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Sexual assault victims often use civil courts in high profile cases because the threshold of evidence is lower than in criminal courts. (As it should be.) To claim that this route does a "disservice" to other alleged victims shows that you don't understand the realities of trying to prove criminal assault took place. This is probably their best shot at justice.
I'm not talking about trying this in civil courts. I support that. My criticism is in Buzzbee trying to push the story, and have the victims speaking out in public. That is designed to put a public pressure campaign on Watson to settle out of court to stop the constant press.
When I said have their voice heard in court, I meant civil or criminal. Whichever is chosen, they should still speak to police, who may take on their own criminal investigations. Trying something in civil court is different than in the court of public opinion, the latter does a disservice to victims.
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I'm not talking about trying this in civil courts. I support that. My criticism is in Buzzbee trying to push the story, and have the victims speaking out in public. That is designed to put a public pressure campaign on Watson to settle out of court to stop the constant press.
When I said have their voice heard in court, I meant civil or criminal. Whichever is chosen, they should still speak to police, who may take on their own criminal investigations. Trying something in civil court is different than in the court of public opinion, the latter does a disservice to victims.
OK I get that.
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Buzzbee really seems to be pushing to publicly embarrass Watson to a point where he might decide to just pay a big settlement to get this out of the public eye. That type of approach makes it look like a sham of a case.
Really a disservice to so many people out there that have been victims, and possibly even his clients (depending on evidence). Victims need to go to police, need to have their voice heard in court, and the perpetrators held accountable. Pushing this as a public narrative is a disservice to everyone involved except for the lawyer picking up a paycheck.
Victims don't need to go to police or need to go to court. They don't need to do anything. Provided the allegations are true, I am for victims seeking justice (within the confines of the law) in whatever way helps them the most. I don't think it does a disservice to any law abiding citizen.
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Why is it only in sexual assault/harassment cases do we talk about victims needing to behave in a particular way, and if they don't, they're harming other victims?
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I could have put this in the mass shooting thread, but the suspect here is a former NFL player, so ...
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article250520194.html?
Former NFL player Phillip Adams, who had a number of injuries during his journeyman’s career in the league, is at the center of a mass shooting case in South Carolina.
He was identified as the suspect who shot six people in York County Wednesday, killing five, before later killing himself, sources told The Herald of Rock Hill.
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horrifying
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The NFL wants you to know there is no way, none at all, this had ANYTHING to do with CTE. Not from someone who got 2 concussions within 3 weeks. Please move along.
Yes that may be jumping to conclusions, but smoke and fire, etc...
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The NFL wants you to know there is no way, none at all, this had ANYTHING to do with CTE. Not from someone who got 2 concussions within 3 weeks. Please move along.
Yes that may be jumping to conclusions, but smoke and fire, etc...
Yep. Nothing to see here ...
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The NFL wants you to know there is no way, none at all, this had ANYTHING to do with CTE. Not from someone who got 2 concussions within 3 weeks. Please move along.
Yes that may be jumping to conclusions, but smoke and fire, etc...
"Our findings suggest homicidal violence among NFL players is rare, as NFL players have substantially lower rates of dying and being arrested as a consequence of homicidal violence compared to the general US population."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6490588/
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Is the NFL trying to be (gasp!) fun?
@brgridiron
The NFL is expected to pass a rule that will relax jersey number restrictions, per @peter_king
— QB: 1-19
— WR: 1-49, 80-89
— RB: 1-49, 80-89
— TE: 1-49, 80-89
— DB: 1-49
— LB: 1-59, 90-99
— OL: 50-79
— DL: 50-79, 90-99
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Is the NFL trying to be (gasp!) fun?
@brgridiron
The NFL is expected to pass a rule that will relax jersey number restrictions, per @peter_king
— QB: 1-19
— WR: 1-49, 80-89
— RB: 1-49, 80-89
— TE: 1-49, 80-89
— DB: 1-49
— LB: 1-59, 90-99
— OL: 50-79
— DL: 50-79, 90-99
So the college numbering system. I'm cool with that.
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So the college numbering system. I'm cool with that.
My only complaint is not allowing DLs to wear lower numbers like in college, i.e. Chase Young #2 or Derrick Brown #5.
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Is the NFL trying to be (gasp!) fun?
@brgridiron
The NFL is expected to pass a rule that will relax jersey number restrictions, per @peter_king
— QB: 1-19
— WR: 1-49, 80-89
— RB: 1-49, 80-89
— TE: 1-49, 80-89
— DB: 1-49
— LB: 1-59, 90-99
— OL: 50-79
— DL: 50-79, 90-99
Kickers and Punters restricted to 0 and 00?
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My only complaint is not allowing DLs to wear lower numbers like in college, i.e. Chase Young #2 or Derrick Brown #5.
I think those are guys classified as OLBs.
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I think those are guys classified as OLBs.
Brown is a 325-pound DT.
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Yeah and college football numbering rules are only strong recommendations. Not requirements. My bad.
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Is the NFL trying to be (gasp!) fun?
@brgridiron
The NFL is expected to pass a rule that will relax jersey number restrictions, per @peter_king
— QB: 1-19
— WR: 1-49, 80-89
— RB: 1-49, 80-89
— TE: 1-49, 80-89
— DB: 1-49
— LB: 1-59, 90-99
— OL: 50-79
— DL: 50-79, 90-99
Flash forward 4 months after huge turnover in numbers drives people to nfl.com to the "NFL jersey sales are at a 10 year high. Huge surge in popularity for the sport" article
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Hate the college number system.
NFL move could be tied to the numbers of numbers in the 50s and 90s retired. I know the Bears have issues with uniform numbers.
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So the college numbering system. I'm cool with that.
I dislike it but I've got bigger fish to fry than NFL jersey numbering.
Though I did enjoy hassling my friends who insisted on watching minor league football when a dude wearing like number 8 would drop back in coverage on a TE and get burned, allowing me to ask him why a punter was covering the flat.
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"Our findings suggest homicidal violence among NFL players is rare, as NFL players have substantially lower rates of dying and being arrested as a consequence of homicidal violence compared to the general US population."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6490588/
They announced today that they will test Adams' brain for CTE.
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They announced today that they will test Adams' brain for CTE.
And I'm sure they'll find it, just as they do with the vast majority of former athletes in contact sports.
But that doesn't mean CTE made him a killer. As the study proves, there's no link between having played professional football and homicidal tendencies. Instead, it shows that a former NFL player is less likely to be involved in a homicide than the general public.
I get that the NFL deserves every bit of criticism it gets for having turned a blind eye to brain trauma for so long, but let's not blame the sport every time a current or former player commits a crime. NFL players are like anyone else. Some suffer mental illnesses unrelated to football. And some are sh*tty people who do sh*tty things.
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But we know the availability of guns had nothing to do with it.
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And I'm sure they'll find it, just as they do with the vast majority of former athletes in contact sports.
But that doesn't mean CTE made him a killer. As the study proves, there's no link between having played professional football and homicidal tendencies. Instead, it shows that a former NFL player is less likely to be involved in a homicide than the general public.
I get that the NFL deserves every bit of criticism it gets for having turned a blind eye to brain trauma for so long, but let's not blame the sport every time a current or former player commits a crime. NFL players are like anyone else. Some suffer mental illnesses unrelated to football. And some are sh*tty people who do sh*tty things.
I neither said nor suggested otherwise, Pak, but OK.
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I read an interesting take on The Athletic about the Panthers probably being able to recover most if not all of the draft picks they dealt for Darnold.
The theory is that because now they are no long QB shopping, they can trade back in the first round if they want to (and/or second round, too). Plus, the writer seems to think they'll be able to get a draft pick for Bridgewater, but I'm skeptical of that.
Or they can just stay where they are in the draft and use the pick on either a stud LT or a generational talent at TE (assuming one or the other is available at 8). So rather than spending a bunch of draft picks for the next 3 years to move up a few spots and get a QB who might never be a star, they end up with both their QB (who is only 23) and with a LT (or TE) who can be a foundational piece for a decade.
Of course, it all only works if Darnold is not broken beyond repair.
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Brady making progress.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31286010/tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-says-knee-recovering-well-surgery
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Antonio Brown settles legal case. This may clear the way for him to re-sign with Bucs ( or anyone else)
https://nypost.com/2021/04/21/antonio-brown-settles-civil-dispute-with-rape-accuser-britney-taylor/
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Tough news on Steve McMichael and his battle with ALS. He's always been a great personality, both during his career and post career, a larger than life guy.
If you have access to the Chicago Tribune, the story on his battle is worth reading (and a difficult read).
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Tough news on Steve McMichael and his battle with ALS. He's always been a great personality, both during his career and post career, a larger than life guy.
If you have access to the Chicago Tribune, the story on his battle is worth reading (and a difficult read).
Love Mongo! I didn’t know he had this. Will check out the story and pray for him.
I’m very glad he finished with the Packers so he wasn’t on an arch rival his whole career. He was a really good, underrated player too.
Thanks for the mention Dish.
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Tough news on Steve McMichael and his battle with ALS. He's always been a great personality, both during his career and post career, a larger than life guy.
If you have access to the Chicago Tribune, the story on his battle is worth reading (and a difficult read).
Mongo is one of the most underrated players in Bears history. Perhaps, the most. A consistent durable performer who played at a high level for a decade. He was a hell of a find for the Bears. Cut from Patriots after his first season, he went on and started over 150 games for the Bears.
To me, he's the perfect example of why I both love and loathe the '85 Bears too. On one hand, I'm not sure anyone lived more in the past and embraced everything '85 than McMichael (perhaps Otis Wilson). Then again, he really was a unique and fan-friendly character that made it easy as a Bears fan to want to relive that season.
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ALS sucks.
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Gronk sets new world record catches a football dropped 600 feet in the air
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1385988544611639296
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Gronk sets new world record catches a football dropped 600 feet in the air
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1385988544611639296
Damn, I thought my 599-yard airdrop catch record woulda lasted a little longer!
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Bucs re-sign Antonio Brown. They have a very formidable set of receivers.
https://247sports.com/Article/Antonio-Brown-signs-one-year-contract-with-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-NFL-free-agency-2021-164752963/
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Panthers trade Bridgewater to Broncos for 6th-round draft pick, save money against cap
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article250460581.html?
The Carolina Panthers are officially moving on from quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.
The team has traded Bridgewater to the Denver Broncos in exchange for a sixth-round pick. The Panthers now have pick No. 191 in this year’s draft and eight total selections. The team is scheduled to pick three times in the sixth round.
Bridgewater, 28, spent just one season with the Panthers after signing a three-year, $63 million deal last offseason that allowed for the team to get out of the contract easily before Year 3.
The deal required a restructuring of Bridgewater’s contract. The Panthers will be paying Bridgewater $7 million this year, with the Broncos paying him the remaining $3 million. Trading Bridgewater saves the Panthers $6 million in cap space this year and $26 million next year. He will account for $17 million in dead cap in 2021 and none in 2022.
A necessary move, though it certainly doesn't reflect wonderfully on management's decision to give so much to sign Bridgewater last year. They got back the 6th-round pick they traded for Sam Darnold, meaning that deal essentially cost them next year's 2nd- and 4th-round picks. We'll see soon enough if that was too much. It also gives them some salary-cap relief this year as well as next year, when the cap is expected to move considerably higher if COVID-19 is not an issue.
Bridgewater is limited but he's not a "bad" QB, and he might help the Broncos. At the very least, he is a quality backup.
Based on what I'm reading in The Athletic and elsewhere from people who follow all this stuff, the Panthers still could draft Fields if he falls to them at No. 8. If Sewell, Chase or Pitts happen to be there, I would think they'd take him. But if those guys are gone (as expected), I think they will trade back 1-10 spots and choose either an OT or CB.
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Amidst the draft hype and the Bridgewater trade, the Panthers all but sneaked out the news that they were changing the surface of their stadium from grass to Field Turf. Players aren't happy.
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Amidst the draft hype and the Bridgewater trade, the Panthers all but sneaked out the news that they were changing the surface of their stadium from grass to Field Turf. Players aren't happy.
NGL, maybe I'm just showing my age, but I don't like fieldturf. I guess it's better than astroturf, but that's not really saying much. A natural surface seems superior in almost all ways and everywhere from pro stadiums down to my old hs have fieldturf now. Something about those little black pebbles weirds me out.
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Field turf makes sense for football stadiums above the Mason Dixon line. Grass goes to hell in those colder months and you get terrible surfaces. A place like Charlotte it doesn’t. It’s easier to maintain obviously, probably a cost savings in the long run, but I get why players are pissed
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The Panthers are saying that because they're adding an MLS team in 2022, and they also want more concerts and events, it would be too difficult to maintain a high-quality grass field. Not sure I'm buying it, but that's what they're saying.
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Rodgers requesting out of GB
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Trade him to Jacksonville for 1 overall. Start Love until the offensive line gets healthy/good.
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Rodgers requesting out of GB
Fine, trade him. If he wants out, you don't force him to play for you.
It really unnatural carnal knowledge;ng sucks to be a Packer fan right now.
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Fine, trade him. If he wants out, you don't force him to play for you.
It really unnatural carnal knowledge;ng sucks to be a Packer fan right now.
It never sucks to be a Packer fan.
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It never sucks to be a Packer fan.
HOF QB asking out? We're still not the Bears, but its the worst day in franchise history probably since the early 90s.
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I hope the Dolphins make a call. If there is actually a deal to be made here (remains to be seen), they have the cap space and the draft capital. I was lukewarm on them making the same type of deal for Watson pre-allegations, but I'd be all in on a Rodgers trade if he's willing to go somewhere other than San Fran. Only downside is that Tua wouldn't appeal to the Packers with Love on the roster, but they should be able to move Tua somewhere else for a decent second day pick.
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HOF QB asking out? We're still not the Bears, but its the worst day in franchise history probably since the early 90s.
They have given me more joy than I have ever expected they would. It never sucks to be a Packer fan.
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Also - does the timing of this make anyone else think there's a real chance something happens in the next 6 hours? For this to come out now makes me wonder if there is actually some traction on a trade, and this is a little preliminary PR work on the part of the Packers front office before a bomb drops.
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Also - does the timing of this make anyone else think there's a real chance something happens in the next 6 hours? For this to come out now makes me wonder if there is actually some traction on a trade, and this is a little preliminary PR work on the part of the Packers front office before a bomb drops.
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Statement from GM Brian Gutekunst: "As we've stated since the season ended, we are committed to Aaron in 2021 and beyond. Aaron has been a vital part of our success and we look forward to competing for another championship with him leading our team."
That would be hard to walk back.
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Also - does the timing of this make anyone else think there's a real chance something happens in the next 6 hours? For this to come out now makes me wonder if there is actually some traction on a trade, and this is a little preliminary PR work on the part of the Packers front office before a bomb drops.
If the Packers let this out without a #donedeal trade they've shot themselves in the foot... or started a bidding war.
There were tweets earlier today that said teams had made inquiries about Rodgers this off-season, and the Packers claimed to have turned them down flatly.
I think SF was one, and it was today.
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Trade him to Jacksonville for 1 overall. Start Love until the offensive line gets healthy/good.
No thanks. I don’t want to battle the Lions for last place.
This is why Gutey needs to be fired. NOW!!! He wants to pull a Jerry Krause. He thinks since he fell into a HOF QB, that he built something.
I fully expected this after Gutey’s “vote of confidence” thAt was actually a “F**k you, Aaron”.
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Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
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Statement from GM Brian Gutekunst: "As we've stated since the season ended, we are committed to Aaron in 2021 and beyond. Aaron has been a vital part of our success and we look forward to competing for another championship with him leading our team."
That would be hard to walk back.
Then again....
ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Apr 29
Source with knowledge of dynamics says Aaron Rodgers could indeed be traded this weekend. The question is where?
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No thanks. I don’t want to battle the Lions for last place.
This is why Gutey needs to be fired. NOW!!! He wants to pull a Jerry Krause. He thinks since he fell into a HOF QB, that he built something.
I fully expected this after Gutey’s “vote of confidence” thAt was actually a “F**k you, Aaron”.
They aren't firing the GM. Don't be silly.
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Fine, trade him. If he wants out, you don't force him to play for you.
It really unnatural carnal knowledge;ng sucks to be a Packer fan right now.
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Yes, very much so.
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You guys are probably right, and I don't mean to be too tinfoil hat. The report that this has been known all offseason, the Packers have been flying people out to see him to try to address it, and today it comes out to multiple sources ("league and team sources told ESPN") hours befopre the draft just feels really intentional by someone.
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No thanks. I don’t want to battle the Lions for last place.
This is why Gutey needs to be fired. NOW!!! He wants to pull a Jerry Krause. He thinks since he fell into a HOF QB, that he built something.
I fully expected this after Gutey’s “vote of confidence” thAt was actually a “F**k you, Aaron”.
If you replace Rodgers with Lawrence, have your 29th pick, and trade Love for a 3rd you'd still be the best team in the NFC North if your offensive line can hold up until Bakhtiari is back. The Jags would never even consider trading 1 overall for Rodgers, though.
Trade Rodgers for 3 and a number of other picks from the 9ers, take Pitts at 3 and Bateman at 29, and show Rodgers what weapons look like with Adams, MVS, Bateman, and two TEs (Pitts and Tonion) and two RBs (Jones and Dillon).
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Yes, very much so.
Well you won't get much sympathy from this Bears fan, haha
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Rodgers to Da Bears?? :)
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Well you won't get much sympathy from this Bears fan, haha
I expect exactly zero haha
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Rodgers is shy like a fox. He waited 'til basically the clock struck midnight and leaked wanting out of GB. Thereby, painting the Pack into a corner and greatly reducing their bargaining power within 4 hours of the draft. Never underestimate an MVP scorned, aina?
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I suddenly appreciate the new Lions front office moving so quickly with Stafford.
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Rodgers is shy like a fox. He waited 'til basically the clock struck midnight and leaked wanting out of GB. Thereby, painting the Pack into a corner and greatly reducing their bargaining power within 4 hours of the draft. Never underestimate an MVP scorned, aina?
I'm not understanding why he is "scorned" though. He has a coach that runs a modern offense. They have an All Pro receiver, OLT, RB, and have played in the last two NFC Championship Games. They have offered him an extension but doesn't seem willing to listen.
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They aren't firing the GM. Don't be silly.
Obviously.
I just wish they would. Gutey is the root of this.
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I'm not understanding why he is "scorned" though. He has a coach that runs a modern offense. They have an All Pro receiver, OLT, RB, and have played in the last two NFC Championship Games. They have offered him an extension but doesn't seem willing to listen.
I'm honestly wondering if a big part of this is the new woman in his life has zero interest in being in Green Bay, and would like him to move to California all year.
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If you replace Rodgers with Lawrence, have your 29th pick, and trade Love for a 3rd you'd still be the best team in the NFC North if your offensive line can hold up until Bakhtiari is back. The Jags would never even consider trading 1 overall for Rodgers, though.
Trade Rodgers for 3 and a number of other picks from the 9ers, take Pitts at 3 and Bateman at 29, and show Rodgers what weapons look like with Adams, MVS, Bateman, and two TEs (Pitts and Tonion) and two RBs (Jones and Dillon).
If Lawrence is as good as claimed, why would Jacksonville do this. A couple more years of Rodgers for a generational 21 year old? No way.
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If Lawrence is as good as claimed, why would Jacksonville do this. A couple more years of Rodgers for a generational 21 year old? No way.
The line of "generational" 1st overall picks that amount to squat is pretty long.
You take the sure thing HOF guy 10 out of 10 times, imo.
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If Lawrence is as good as claimed, why would Jacksonville do this. A couple more years of Rodgers for a generational 21 year old? No way.
That's why I ended the first part of the post with "The Jags would never even consider trading 1 overall for Rodgers, though."
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I'm not understanding why he is "scorned" though. He has a coach that runs a modern offense. They have an All Pro receiver, OLT, RB, and have played in the last two NFC Championship Games. They have offered him an extension but doesn't seem willing to listen.
The offered him an extension that was probably suitable to them but not him. He wants to be the highest paid QB. Everything else is window dressing.
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Would bet a lot of $ that he'll be back.
Russ demanded a trade two months ago and now everything is fine. He'll get his extension.
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That's why I ended the first part of the post with "The Jags would never even consider trading 1 overall for Rodgers, though."
I missed that :-[
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I'm not understanding why he is "scorned" though. He has a coach that runs a modern offense. They have an All Pro receiver, OLT, RB, and have played in the last two NFC Championship Games. They have offered him an extension but doesn't seem willing to listen.
He's pissed they drafted Love last year. Petty, I agree. But, his bank account is dwarfed only by his ego, hey?
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This was inevitable, and not much of a surprise to me. Rodgers has all the leverage and timed this news to come out perfectly.
People that think Rodgers contract keeps him playing in GB this year and beyond are not understanding the full context here. There’s a reason teams kept calling the Packers this offseason, the league knows he wants out.
I don’t think he gets traded today, but I also don’t think this ends well.
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This was inevitable, and not much of a surprise to me. Rodgers has all the leverage and timed this news to come out perfectly.
People that think Rodgers contract keeps him playing in GB this year and beyond are not understanding the full context here. There’s a reason teams kept calling the Packers this offseason, the league knows he wants out.
I don’t think he gets traded today, but I also don’t think this ends well.
Yep. I said this with Watson, but when a player of this caliber wants out, and has the leverage, there really isn't much of a choice. (Of course Watson lost that leverage spectacularly, but I don't think that happens with Rodgers.)
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I'm not understanding why he is "scorned" though. He has a coach that runs a modern offense. They have an All Pro receiver, OLT, RB, and have played in the last two NFC Championship Games. They have offered him an extension but doesn't seem willing to listen.
This.
I dont understand either. He is signed with a monster contract for 3 more years. Why is he dictating to the packers who they should draft? Sounds like it's all about him and not the team. What leverage does Rodgers have?
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This.
I dont understand either. He is signed with a monster contract for 3 more years. Why is he dictating to the packers who they should draft? Sounds like it's all about him and not the team. What leverage does Rodgers have?
Himself, of course.
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I’m guessing this is his way of forcing their hand to draft more offensive talent. Maybe I’m being optimistic, but he seems to put something out every offseason that he’s unhappy in hopes of more weapons or a better contract.
For a guy that wanted to be the anti-Favre, he’s following a similar script. Although, maybe that’s just what happens with elite QBs at the end of their careers.
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Himself, of course.
He is coming across like a selfish ass in my opinion. His leverage is himself, but also his cap number.
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This.
I dont understand either. He is signed with a monster contract for 3 more years. Why is he dictating to the packers who they should draft? Sounds like it's all about him and not the team. What leverage does Rodgers have?
He has a lot of leverage. What good is having an All Pro quarterback if he is not on the field? He doesn't need the money. The team will lose if he doesn't show up. He knows that they will eventually have to see what they can get for him because otherwise he is just a non-performing asset.
The Packers are playing hardball publicly, but I'm sure they have been weighing options privately for awhile.
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He is coming across like a selfish ass in my opinion. His leverage is himself, but also his cap number.
Oh, I don't disagree. This may go down as one of the most shrewd moves in NFL history by a player.
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He is coming across like a selfish ass in my opinion.
Why do you think he cares? He understands the nature of fandom. He knows that he would get booed at Lambeau, but eventually fans will forgive. (If he actually cares about that.)
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Reading the tea leaves, he can’t come back to GB. He was probably not playing in GB in 2022 (2023 for sure he wasn’t), and the lack of faith and trust is beyond broken. I trust the Packers internally had to have talked this through, but minus a massive extension, they didn’t play their options here very well (at least not yet).
The window to trade him to get 95 cents on the dollar is right now, like right right now. Once the draft starts, his 2021 trade value falls (simply because of the unknown 2022 draft positions). I just don’t know how they can reasonably get 95 cents for him. Niners lack future first rounders, other west coast options are meh with value they can send back.
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Why do you think he cares? He understands the nature of fandom. He knows that he would get booed at Lambeau, but eventually fans will forgive. (If he actually cares about that.)
Well I dont think he cares, obviously. Still coming across as a selfish guy. Why? Because they drafted a qb. Btw, I'm not sure the fans will be so fast to forgive, eventually yes. Rodgers isn't as beloved as Favre was. Different scenario.
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trey wingo
@wingoz
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40m
Also per sources: as of last night Rodgers was convinced he was headed to San Francisco. Draft day is the best...
trey wingo
@wingoz
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1h
Sources: The Packers reportedly told Aaron Rodgers they were going to trade him in the off season, then backed off. It’s been a bleep show between them ever since. And within the last week Rodgers told the team.. trade or no trade I’m not coming back. Buckle up folks
trey wingo
@wingoz
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1h
Understand this Aaron Rodgers thing has been building for a while: Packers fired his QB coach after 2017 season.. Aaron campaigned for someone else to get the GM job, went to Guetenkuenst. Then they trade BACK into the 1st round last year to take his successor.
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This.
I dont understand either. He is signed with a monster contract for 3 more years. Why is he dictating to the packers who they should draft? Sounds like it's all about him and not the team. What leverage does Rodgers have?
Who did he tell them to draft?
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Who did he tell them to draft?
Maybe he told them someone in specific maybe not, how would I know. It is well reported that he didnt like the Jordan Love pick and it is still a problem to the point now that he wants out. That is indirectly dictating to the team what type of players to draft and how to run the team. That's not his job.
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trey wingo
@wingoz
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1h
Understand this Aaron Rodgers thing has been building for a while: Packers fired his QB coach after 2017 season.. Aaron campaigned for someone else to get the GM job, went to Guetenkuenst. Then they trade BACK into the 1st round last year to take his successor.
As I said earlier, this is more about Gutey than Rodgers.
If Gutey follows through, GB will be a bottom feeder and Gutey will be gone in 2 years after destroying one of the NFL’s greatest franchises.
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As I said earlier, this is more about Gutey than Rodgers.
If Gutey follows through, GB will be a bottom feeder and Gutey will be gone in 2 years after destroying one of the NFL’s greatest franchises.
I disagree. Players aren't bigger than the team and shouldn't force the hand of the gm. Gutey has to be accountable to himself and the organization, he doesn't work for Aaron Rodgers.
The team didnt back down for Favre and it worked out ok.
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hairy
Rodgers always appeared to be a "me" first guy and took far too much pride in "being the smartest guy in the room" IMO. Great, great QB with limited success compared to the talent he brought to the field. Granted, I am admittedly a Favre guy for life, but I definitely learned to appreciate Rodgers high level of talent. Truthfully, I will remember him as guy that tried too hard to be the guy.
All that said, I definitely am not looking forward to return the 1970's-80's Packers. We have been spoiled and I enjoyed every minute of it, especially the Favre era.
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trey wingo
@wingoz
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40m
Also per sources: as of last night Rodgers was convinced he was headed to San Francisco. Draft day is the best...
trey wingo
@wingoz
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1h
Sources: The Packers reportedly told Aaron Rodgers they were going to trade him in the off season, then backed off. It’s been a bleep show between them ever since. And within the last week Rodgers told the team.. trade or no trade I’m not coming back. Buckle up folks
trey wingo
@wingoz
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1h
Understand this Aaron Rodgers thing has been building for a while: Packers fired his QB coach after 2017 season.. Aaron campaigned for someone else to get the GM job, went to Guetenkuenst. Then they trade BACK into the 1st round last year to take his successor.
Silverstein already has tweeted against the “Packers told Rodgers they would trade him” talk.
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hairy
Rodgers always appeared to be a "me" first guy and took far too much pride in "being the smartest guy in the room" IMO. Great, great QB with limited success compared to the talent he brought to the field. Granted, I am admittedly a Favre guy for life, but I definitely learned to appreciate Rodgers high level of talent. Truthfully, I will remember him as guy that tried too hard to be the guy.
All that said, I definitely am not looking forward to return the 1970's-80's Packers. We have been spoiled and I enjoyed every minute of it, especially the Favre era.
Agreed, except I dont see the team returning to 70-80s level of futility. The packers are very talented other than Rodgers and the front office structure is light years better now.
Rodgers will be 38 next year, he isn't playing forever. The Packers shouldn't sell out their future to placate this guy. The ironic and hypocritical thing is Rodgers was drafted to replace a legend and hall of famer, now he is bent because it happened again with him?
Just a hunch but I think another driving factor for Rodgers is playing in bay area.
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hairy
Rodgers always appeared to be a "me" first guy and took far too much pride in "being the smartest guy in the room" IMO. Great, great QB with limited success compared to the talent he brought to the field. Granted, I am admittedly a Favre guy for life, but I definitely learned to appreciate Rodgers high level of talent. Truthfully, I will remember him as guy that tried too hard to be the guy.
All that said, I definitely am not looking forward to return the 1970's-80's Packers. We have been spoiled and I enjoyed every minute of it, especially the Favre era.
Goose,
Do you really think Rodgers is any more spoiled than Brady? Brady has been very open about making player recommendations to his teams.
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Goose,
Do you really think Rodgers is any more spoiled than Brady? Brady has been very open about making player recommendations to his teams.
I HATE Brady and have always very much respected Rodgers more as a player, but I think so. Brady played under BB his entire career and was largely tied to him. Rodgers threw McCarthy under the bus plenty of times.
Rodgers has always been the king of “oh my gosh look how hurt I am” only to move just fine on the next series to look like a gritty hero. Rodgers is a winner, but his narrative, his ego, his stats/perception has always been just as important as team success (eg: taking sacks to not screw up his completion percentage). Everything about his off the field image and brand and perception has always been closely managed and curated.
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I HATE Brady and have always very much respected Rodgers more as a player, but I think so. Brady played under BB his entire career and was largely tied to him. Rodgers threw McCarthy under the bus plenty of times.
Rodgers has always been the king of “oh my gosh look how hurt I am” only to move just fine on the next series to look like a gritty hero. Rodgers is a winner, but his narrative, his ego, his stats/perception has always been just as important as team success (eg: taking sacks to not screw up his completion percentage). Everything about his off the field image and brand and perception has always been closely managed and curated.
Rodgers is a phony but so was Favre.
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Trade his ass for Trevor Lawrence and a few other picks and the Pack is good. Love can be the back-up, hey?
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Rodgers threw McCarthy under the bus plenty of times.
Wasn’t that the proper thing to do once it was obvious the game had passed McCarthy by?
It is exactly what I want my star player to do. Lebron has done it a couple times and time proved him right. Superstars want championships. They SHOULD speak out if they feel it will help the team win
Of course, Rodgers is prickly and carries a huge log on his shoulder. It is what has made him what he is.
Interesting that there was very little criticism of Giannis last off season when he told the Bucks they needed to make moves to improve the team or he wasn’t going to re-sign. As I said, that is what invested superstars should be doing
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Trade his ass for Trevor Lawrence and a few other picks and the Pack is good. Love can be the back-up, hey?
GB would have to throw in the picks - not Jacksonville.
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Broncos rumors heating up...
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Broncos gonna get him
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I may look dumb in anywhere from one minute to five months but I think he is a Packer this season.
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Packers don’t play the Broncos until 2023. Not at home until 2027.
Unless in the Super Bowl.
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I may look dumb in anywhere from one minute to five months but I think he is a Packer this season.
I’m not saying you are dumb, but you’re not going to be right.
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I’m not saying you are dumb, but you’re not going to be right.
Hey I said look dumb, which I'm more than capable of doing.
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https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/1387921249398108162
Seems like nobody has any idea what's going on.
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I’m not saying you are dumb, but you’re not going to be right.
Wishful thinking on your part, or do you have actual inside info?
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1387926718598500353?s=20
Why anyone would listen to Florio or Schlereth is beyond me.
But the night is still young!
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I may look dumb in anywhere from one minute to five months but I think he is a Packer this season.
I agree. Well see how smart we are. :)
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I’m not saying you are dumb, but you’re not going to be right.
So we all know the Bears should stay at #20 and take the best tackle available?
Do you think they will or will Pace do his Pace thing again?
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The #3 player in the draft played for the Bison? Cool.
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So we all know the Bears should stay at #20 and take the best tackle available?
Do you think they will or will Pace do his Pace thing again?
I have no idea what they’ll do because I don’t think they know what they’re going to do.
I’m not excited to say the least, and I’m about to be on a flight for 3 hours, so anyone feel free to mock their pick for me.
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Wishful thinking on your part, or do you have actual inside info?
Zero info. However, the bridge is fully on fire as we speak. Letting this info from Rodgers side become public hours before the draft is a gigantic eff you to GB’s front office.
Rodgers contract was always going to be a major problem going into ‘22. A major extension with a lot of guaranteed dollars behind it is “maybe” the only fix here. Rodgers being MVP and having $0.00 guaranteed money on his existing deal was always eventually going to bite GB.
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I have no idea what they’ll do because I don’t think they know what they’re going to do.
I’m not excited to say the least, and I’m about to be on a flight for 3 hours, so anyone feel free to mock their pick for me.
I fully expect the Bears to trade up and still not get the QB they want. Cause Pace things.
Or draft a CB to replace the Pro Bowler they just let go cause they paid Andy Dalton
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I fully expect the Bears to trade up and still not get the QB they want. Cause Pace things.
Or draft a CB to replace the Pro Bowler they just let go cause they paid Andy Dalton
I do have financial considerations on their first pick being a corner.
The exacta of Lance/Pitts/Chase paid out well (+900).
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Nice for the Lions.
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I do have financial considerations on their first pick being a corner.
The exacta of Lance/Pitts/Chase paid out well (+900).
Newsome
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Seems like the Panthers could have traded down and still gotten Horn. Must not be anybody who wanted to trade up.
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Newsome
That’s who I was thinking too.
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I fully expect the Bears to trade up and still not get the QB they want. Cause Pace things.
Or draft a CB to replace the Pro Bowler they just let go cause they paid Andy Dalton
I think it was the Robert Quinn contract that cost them Fuller. As bad as the Trubisky pick was, Pace’s decision to sign Quinn may be his biggest mistake.
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Man, Cowboys are kinda eff’d.
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Zero info. However, the bridge is fully on fire as we speak. Letting this info from Rodgers side become public hours before the draft is a gigantic eff you to GB’s front office.
Rodgers contract was always going to be a major problem going into ‘22. A major extension with a lot of guaranteed dollars behind it is “maybe” the only fix here. Rodgers being MVP and having $0.00 guaranteed money on his existing deal was always eventually going to bite GB.
Let me tell you why I disagree, Dish. I listened to a discussion between Mike Florio and Bernstein on the Score. Florio said people don’t understand that when you get to a superstar level, the money is secondary. They know they are getting a lot of money, so the bigger concern is pecking order. I would bet that almost 100% of Rodgers complaint is because he didn’t get a new contract reflecting his status as the MVP.
I think he will get it - that is why I disagreed with you on whether he will be back.
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Uh oh...
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Fields for bears?
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I’m not a fan of this move. That’s an overprice for a guy (Fields) I’ve flip flopped on probably thirty times over the last 8 months.
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Oh Bears.
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Da Bears.
Fields will be the best player in this draft. :)
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I’m happy. Not Mac Jones.
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Eagles with maybe the pick of the draft.
Smith is a top 3 talent in this draft. They shoulda just taken him with their original 6th pick.
Traded back to 12 instead. Then went back up to 10 to get him.
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I’m not a fan of this move. That’s an overprice for a guy (Fields) I’ve flip flopped on probably thirty times over the last 8 months.
What did they give up to move up
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Eagles with maybe the pick of the draft.
Smith is a top 3 talent in this draft. They shoulda just taken him with their original 6th pick.
Traded back to 12 instead. Then went back up to 10 to get him.
That kid is an absolute stud. Tremendous speed with great hands. Shocked he wasn't in the top 3.
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I’m happy. Not Mac Jones.
Exactly. I don’t like giving up a first but I’m really pumped to have a dynamic proven (in college) guy back there. Booger saying Mac Jones over Fields cause Fields was like Trubisky was unfathomably stupid
What did they give up to move up
A 1st and 4th next year and a 5th this year
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Da Bears.
Fields will be the best player in this draft. :)
I thought he was the 2nd best QB. But there is no indication they have a coach to develop him. And much like GB last year, they drafted a guy who probably won’t see the field next year unless there is an injury.
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That kid is an absolute stud. Tremendous speed with great hands. Shocked he wasn't in the top 3.
Actually his 40 yard times were very average for a 1st round receiver.
I liked Waddle a lot more.
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Actually his 40 yard times were very average for a 1st round receiver.
I liked Waddle a lot more.
Agree, Jockey. Liked Waddle better than Smith or the LSU receiver.
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I thought he was the 2nd best QB. But there is no indication they have a coach to develop him. And much like GB last year, they drafted a guy who probably won’t see the field next year unless there is an injury.
Guess the Bears are out of the Aaron Rodgers sweepstake.
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I like Smith but don't know much about football. As for Fields? It's impossible to know but if he can breathe and walk he'll be better than Trumisky.
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Think that’s a great move by the Bears. Whether Fields can overcome the organization, that’s another story
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Think that’s a great move by the Bears. Whether Fields can overcome the organization, that’s another story
The Bears have had their struggles and Pace is a complete disaster. But remember the NFL doesn't exist without Papa Bear and Da Bears organization.
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Please give more freedom to a GM and coach who won't be around next year.
Also smart to continue to pay Foles, go get Dalton, then trade up for a rookie QB.
So dumb
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Please give more freedom to a GM and coach who won't be around next year.
Also smart to continue to pay Foles, go get Dalton, then trade up for a rookie QB.
So dumb
Dalton makes no sense if this was the plan all along, but I am very happy with Fields.
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Please give more freedom to a GM and coach who won't be around next year.
Also smart to continue to pay Foles, go get Dalton, then trade up for a rookie QB.
So dumb
I don't understand why Nagy and Pace are back.
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Good twitter thread if you're a bears fan
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1387952222844108803?s=19
But I still hate this ownership and management
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I don't understand why Nagy and Pace are back.
Cause the McCaskeys are idiots with twisted senses of “loyalty” who are easily won over by platitudes and enthusiasm.
Fields will have a top 10 WR, a healthy Cohen, Kmet, and some speed in the slot. The Bears are not without offensive weapons.
His accuracy alone is going to make him a huge upgrade over Too High Trubisky
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Cause the McCaskeys are idiots with twisted senses of “loyalty” who are easily won over by platitudes and enthusiasm.
Fields will have a top 10 WR, a healthy Cohen, Kmet, and some speed in the slot. The Bears are not without offensive weapons.
His accuracy alone is going to make him a huge upgrade over Too High Trubisky
What are they gonna do with foles/dalton?
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Tebow gets workout with Jags
https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/tim-tebow-attempting-stunning-nfl-comeback-as-tight-end/amp/
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Dalton makes no sense if this was the plan all along, but I am very happy with Fields.
It's hard to defend Bears management, but ... I'm guessing that when they got Dalton, they thought that Fields would go much higher and that they wouldn't be able to trade up that high to get him. In the time since then, as it became apparent that Fields might drop, they saw an opportunity to get a QB they like.
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Should the Bears trade Mack? I thought he was incredibly disappointing last season. I'm just curious what we could get for him?
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It's hard to defend Bears management, but ... I'm guessing that when they got Dalton, they thought that Fields would go much higher and that they wouldn't be able to trade up that high to get him. In the time since then, as it became apparent that Fields might drop, they saw an opportunity to get a QB they like.
Bingo.
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It's hard to defend Bears management, but ... I'm guessing that when they got Dalton, they thought that Fields would go much higher and that they wouldn't be able to trade up that high to get him. In the time since then, as it became apparent that Fields might drop, they saw an opportunity to get a QB they like.
Yep. When they signed Dalton, the Panthers hadn’t traded for Darnold. The Broncos hasn’t traded for Bridgewater. The Falcons were being talked about heavily for Fields. The Patriots wanted to trade up from a better position than the Bears. The Bears would have likely had to trade up for Mac Jones, much less Fields. I agree they overpaid, but to even be in that scenario was a big sea change compared to a few weeks ago.
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Think that’s a great move by the Bears. Whether Fields can overcome the organization, that’s another story
This.
And the Dalton/Foles thing doesn't matter at all. Dalton is on a one year deal and they can cut Foles after this season with only $3.6M dead cap. All it costs is more 2021 money than you'd like. But top backup QBs cost $5M per year anyway. $14M over one season for Dalton/Foles is whatever. Don't let the fear of wasting $10M stop you from getting your guy when the draft winds shift direction.
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Now, they can be terrible next year and Pace/ Nagy will have no worries about being fired.
Cuz the savior will be ready in ‘22.
Be careful what you hope for.
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Yep. When they signed Dalton, the Panthers hadn’t traded for Darnold. The Broncos hasn’t traded for Bridgewater. The Falcons were being talked about heavily for Fields. The Patriots wanted to trade up from a better position than the Bears. The Bears would have likely had to trade up for Mac Jones, much less Fields. I agree they overpaid, but to even be in that scenario was a big sea change compared to a few weeks ago.
Is it really that much of an overpay, though? The only pick of real consequence is next year's 1st, which absolutely could be a high pick. But if Fields is the guy that doesn't matter. Of course that's a big if. I also have no idea who the top QBs might be in next year's draft.
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The Packers War Room looked like an interrogation room.
I know nothing about college football, but hope Stokes can take King’s spot.
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Whether people like it or not, part of the cost to get Fields was Kyle Fuller. It wasn’t known at the time, but it’s not wrong.
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Whether people like it or not, part of the cost to get Fields was Kyle Fuller. It wasn’t known at the time, but it’s not wrong.
You’re right. But only because of the Quinn fiasco.
When you have to use high draft picks to make up for horrible previous high draft picks (Trubisky, Shaheen, etc.), you are wasting extremely valuable resources.
The defense will be worse, maybe much worse, and Andy Dalton will be at QB.
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Guess the Bears are out of the Aaron Rodgers sweepstake.
I still think Murphy steps in. Rodgers’ tantrum is all about Gutey.
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Please give more freedom to a GM and coach who won't be around next year.
Also smart to continue to pay Foles, go get Dalton, then trade up for a rookie QB.
So dumb
In other words - same old Bears.
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You’re right. But only because of the Quinn fiasco.
When you have to use high draft picks to make up for horrible previous high draft picks (Trubisky, Shaheen, etc.), you are wasting extremely valuable resources.
The defense will be worse, maybe much worse, and Andy Dalton will be at QB.
We get it, you’ll never throw a compliment the Bears way ever.
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We get it, you’ll never throw a compliment the Bears way ever.
Actually the Bears made a better pick than GB. Stokes was Kiper’s lowest rated player taken in the 1st round. And for the Kiper-haters, Stokes wasn’t rated at a 1st rounder by most of the top guys.
BTW, should I compliment the Bears for trading up and losing draft capital AGAIN?
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You guys know where I’m going here...
I hated Pittsburgh and especially Jax taking RB’s in round 1. Pittsburgh’s running game was awful last year because their offensive line can not (still can’t) run block. I like Harris, but if they can’t block anyone, it doesn’t matter who is back there.
That Etienne pick is the worst of the first round. The Jags had an undrafted back who was really good (borderline great) last year. So dumb and value wasted.
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Gutey tonight: “We’re not going to trade Aaron”
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Gutey tonight: “We’re not going to trade Aaron”
I have news for him
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Is there a fan base that dislikes successful GMs as much as the Packers?
I can’t really be too upset about the Love pick. It’s following the same game plan that got us a second HOF QB in a row.
Let’s also not pretend Rodgers was playing at an MVP level prior to that pick. He had injuries and frankly was a bit of a mess. Footwork was bad and holding out for the deep play.
Rodgers is under contract for a few more years. If Rodgers continues to be a top QB and Love doesn’t progress, we stick with Rodgers. If Rodgers’ last year was a bit of a fluke and he struggles, a decision is made and financially it’s easy for the Packers to move on.
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Is there a fan base that dislikes successful GMs as much as the Packers?
I can’t really be too upset about the Love pick. It’s following the same game plan that got us a second HOF QB in a row.
Let’s also not pretend Rodgers was playing at an MVP level prior to that pick. He had injuries and frankly was a bit of a mess. Footwork was bad and holding out for the deep play.
Rodgers is under contract for a few more years. If Rodgers continues to be a top QB and Love doesn’t progress, we stick with Rodgers. If Rodgers’ last year was a bit of a fluke and he struggles, a decision is made and financially it’s easy for the Packers to move on.
Yes guys have fluke years and are the MVP. Stop defending the front office in GB. They've bungled the Rodgers situation, and our last two first round picks have been unequivocal head scratchers around the NFL. You can like Stokes as a player, but also realize that you could have gotten him a round later. Probably the same with Jordan Love last year. That's why people are pissed. The GM picks who he likes not realizing these guys could probably be gotten later.
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Is there a fan base that dislikes successful GMs as much as the Packers?
I can’t really be too upset about the Love pick. It’s following the same game plan that got us a second HOF QB in a row.
Let’s also not pretend Rodgers was playing at an MVP level prior to that pick. He had injuries and frankly was a bit of a mess. Footwork was bad and holding out for the deep play.
Rodgers is under contract for a few more years. If Rodgers continues to be a top QB and Love doesn’t progress, we stick with Rodgers. If Rodgers’ last year was a bit of a fluke and he struggles, a decision is made and financially it’s easy for the Packers to move on.
This is correct. It clearly looked like Rodgers was in decline Not only that, he was disrespectful to the coach. Changing plays and clowning him during games. Many examples of it.
Rodgers has nothing to be upset about, nothing. He is one year in on a 4 year deal that made him the highest paid qb at the time. The team had the number 1 rated offense in the league last year. The gm drafted a qb, BFD. Be a man and shut your mouth and play. Does Rodgers not realize he was the Jordan Love 16 years ago. What an arrogant ass. I would like to see Rodgers return and think he ultimately will, but is it worth kissing this guys ass and ruining the long term success of the team in the process for maybe 3 more years of an effective Rodgers?
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This is correct. It clearly looked like Rodgers was in decline Not only that, he was disrespectful to the coach. Changing plays and clowning him during games. Many examples of it.
Rodgers has nothing to be upset about, nothing. He is one year in on a 4 year deal that made him the highest paid qb at the time. The team had the number 1 rated offense in the league last year. The gm drafted a qb, BFD. Be a man and shut your mouth and play. Does Rodgers not realize he was the Jordan Love 16 years ago. What an arrogant ass. I would like to see Rodgers return and think he ultimately will, but is it worth kissing this guys ass and ruining the long term success of the team in the process for maybe 3 more years of an effective Rodgers?
Absolute revisionist history. He was a Pro bowler in 2019. 4000 yards. 26 TD 4 INT... And his WR group was miserable. His 2nd best WR had 35 catches, which was 5th most on the team.
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Absolute revisionist history. He was a Pro bowler in 2019. 4000 yards. 26 TD 4 INT... And his WR group was miserable. His 2nd best WR had 35 catches, which was 5th most on the team.
The other revisionist history is Rodgers is never to blame for any of the teams shortcomings. The same nonsense was spewed with Favre apologists from 2000 until his departure. Rodgers is a diva. He can suck it up and be a leader for once instead of pouting and playing his word games with the media. The Packers have and continue to pay him handsomely and went all in with him in 2008. The much maligned defense gave him 3 turnovers in the second half of last years NFC title game and the “goat” didn’t capitalize.
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Whether people like it or not, part of the cost to get Fields was Kyle Fuller. It wasn’t known at the time, but it’s not wrong.
Why? The salary difference between the 11th pick and the 20th pick is about $5 million over four years.
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Absolute revisionist history. He was a Pro bowler in 2019. 4000 yards. 26 TD 4 INT... And his WR group was miserable. His 2nd best WR had 35 catches, which was 5th most on the team.
He had two of his worst Completion % years in 18 and 19. He only played 7 games in 2017. I think it was very fair for the front office to worry he was starting to decline and think about the future. That’s their jobs.
He bounced back and had a great 2020. Career highs in TDs and completion percentage. It seemed like he bought into Lafleur’s system and was super successful.
I like Rodgers. I hope he’s our QB for as long as he’s playing at a high level. I just don’t think our front office is incompetent.
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The other revisionist history is Rodgers is never to blame for any of the teams shortcomings. The same nonsense was spewed with Favre apologists from 2000 until his departure. Rodgers is a diva. He can suck it up and be a leader for once instead of pouting and playing his word games with the media. The Packers have and continue to pay him handsomely and went all in with him in 2008. The much maligned defense gave him 3 turnovers in the second half of last years NFC title game and the “goat” didn’t capitalize.
Spot on Rico. He couldn’t deliver a TD with three cracks at it late in the game. As much as Brady struggled in the 2nd half, he made more plays than Rodgers that game and delivered the dagger in the end. Which is why he’s won so many championships and why Rodgers is 1-4 in NFC championship games.
People can excuse those losses away on defense, Bostick, McCarthy, etc. all they want, but the fact is Rodgers has stunk in those games and numbers prove it. Yes, he’s had a lot of great moments and games, but elite QB’s are judged on getting it done and winning it all, not getting close, only to fall short again. So Rodgers can enjoy his company with the Dilfers and Flaccos of NFL history with his one SB appearance and title.
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Spot on Rico. He couldn’t deliver a TD with three cracks at it late in the game. As much as Brady struggled in the 2nd half, he made more plays than Rodgers that game and delivered the dagger in the end. Which is why he’s won so many championships and why Rodgers is 1-4 in NFC championship games.
People can excuse those losses away on defense, Bostick, McCarthy, etc. all they want, but the fact is Rodgers has stunk in those games and numbers prove it. Yes, he’s had a lot of great moments and games, but elite QB’s are judged on getting it done and winning it all, not getting close, only to fall short again. So Rodgers can enjoy his company with the Dilfers and Flaccos of NFL history with his one SB appearance and title.
5 NFC championship games- 83.7 QBR, 9 TD, 8 INT.
#notevenindiscussionforgoat
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Absolute revisionist history. He was a Pro bowler in 2019. 4000 yards. 26 TD 4 INT... And his WR group was miserable. His 2nd best WR had 35 catches, which was 5th most on the team.
No, wrong, He was in decline 2018 and 2019. Still had decent numbers, but a decline from his standard. Those numbers above don't tell the whole picture. He missed throws, held the ball too long among other things. Now of course he rebounded in 2020, but Gutey didn't know that when he drafted Love. The wide receiver argument is valid, but is it the receivers then or Rodgers. Look, I think Rodgers is the best of all time, but he has his share of mistakes and poor play.
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Spot on. GOAT's deliver in the biggest games. Rodgers record against teams with winning records (small favorite or underdog) is very poor. Everyone said that Brady had six wins in the bag playing in AFC East and Rodgers had same stiffs in NFC North. To me, I never had confidence in Rodgers delivering in the clutch against good teams.
I really believe that he bought into the GOAT hype early on and was more worried about not throwing a pick than winning. He has come across as arrogant for long time and it got old to me. I love arrogant but only if winning comes along with it. Great QB with very limited hardware to show for it.
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Fun fact: Since 2009, the Bears have invested 13 draft picks in QBs, including five first-rounders. Fourteen if you count the pick used on Kyle Orton, who was part of the Cutler trade.
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Watch, Bridgewater will end up starting in GB this fall.
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Fun fact: Since 2009, the Bears have invested 13 draft picks in QBs, including five first-rounders. Fourteen if you count the pick used on Kyle Orton, who was part of the Cutler trade.
As a Bears fan “fun” is not the word I’d use to describe that fact. I do think the move for Fields is worth the risk, though.
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Yes guys have fluke years and are the MVP. Stop defending the front office in GB. They've bungled the Rodgers situation, and our last two first round picks have been unequivocal head scratchers around the NFL. You can like Stokes as a player, but also realize that you could have gotten him a round later. Probably the same with Jordan Love last year. That's why people are pissed. The GM picks who he likes not realizing these guys could probably be gotten later.
I'll defend him. He took a depleted roster, added talent through FA and the draft, hired a good young coach, resigned all of the key offensive players, and has been to two straight NFC Championship Games.
And they have offered Rodgers an extension. But he won't sign it because they drafted Jordan Love without telling him? No offense, but that's not the GM's fault. That's a petulant quarterback.
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Spot on Rico. He couldn’t deliver a TD with three cracks at it late in the game. As much as Brady struggled in the 2nd half, he made more plays than Rodgers that game and delivered the dagger in the end. Which is why he’s won so many championships and why Rodgers is 1-4 in NFC championship games.
People can excuse those losses away on defense, Bostick, McCarthy, etc. all they want, but the fact is Rodgers has stunk in those games and numbers prove it. Yes, he’s had a lot of great moments and games, but elite QB’s are judged on getting it done and winning it all, not getting close, only to fall short again. So Rodgers can enjoy his company with the Dilfers and Flaccos of NFL history with his one SB appearance and title.
QBs get too much credit and too much blame. The idolatry of QBs is so over-the-top nowadays, it’s actually insulting to their teammates.
Rodgers playoff run in 2010 was arguably the greatest in football history. It was nearly impeccable save the NFC Title game and I’ll go to my grave convinced he was concussed on his TD run. Since then, he hasn’t been nearly as sharp in the playoffs. Asking him to match 2010 is ridiculous but no one can argue he hasn’t been part of why they lost games
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Shut up and pass, aina?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand all the talking heads speculating about what the Packers have to do, where they'll trade Rodgers, what they'll get in return, etc...
The Packers don't have to do anything. He's under contract for 3 more years. Let him whine, he has zero leverage. What is AR going to do, sit out this season at age 37 and give up $30 million? The Pack can just keep the money (by fining him), keep him under contract and see what they have in Love. That's the nuclear option and won't realistically happen. But that will absolutely happen before they trade him, because they won't trade him. Gute is calling his bluff, and he's right to do so.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand all the talking heads speculating about what the Packers have to do, where they'll trade Rodgers, what they'll get in return, etc...
The Packers don't have to do anything. He's under contract for 3 more years. Let him whine, he has zero leverage. What is AR going to do, sit out this season at age 37 and give up $30 million? The Pack can just keep the money (by fining him), keep him under contract and see what they have in Love. That's the nuclear option and won't realistically happen. But that will absolutely happen before they trade him, because they won't trade him. Gute is calling his bluff, and he's right to do so.
Yeah, his main leverage is not playing. But like you said, it’s not like he is early in his career. He’s got limited years left and is on a team that made two NFCC games in a row.
The fact the Packers offered him an extension surprises me. Just due to the fact I thought this was mostly about forcing the Packers hand to improve his contract situation.
In some of his interviews, he sounds like kind of an interesting dude. Me being the armchair GM wonders where could he reasonably go that’s a better situation. Although Brady went to a team that didn’t look like a contender the year before and won a Super Bowl.
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The Packers don't have to do anything. He's under contract for 3 more years. Let him whine, he has zero leverage. What is AR going to do, sit out this season at age 37 and give up $30 million?
Rodgers is petty enough to where he will do exactly that and go host jeopardy.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand all the talking heads speculating about what the Packers have to do, where they'll trade Rodgers, what they'll get in return, etc...
The Packers don't have to do anything. He's under contract for 3 more years. Let him whine, he has zero leverage. What is AR going to do, sit out this season at age 37 and give up $30 million? The Pack can just keep the money (by fining him), keep him under contract and see what they have in Love. That's the nuclear option and won't realistically happen. But that will absolutely happen before they trade him, because they won't trade him. Gute is calling his bluff, and he's right to do so.
People really don’t know Aaron Rodgers at all. If you don’t think he’d willingly walk away from that money over principle, you simply haven’t paid attention to him at all. He’s the pettiest athlete I’ve seen since Michael Jordan.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand all the talking heads speculating about what the Packers have to do, where they'll trade Rodgers, what they'll get in return, etc...
The Packers don't have to do anything. He's under contract for 3 more years. Let him whine, he has zero leverage. What is AR going to do, sit out this season at age 37 and give up $30 million? The Pack can just keep the money (by fining him), keep him under contract and see what they have in Love. That's the nuclear option and won't realistically happen. But that will absolutely happen before they trade him, because they won't trade him. Gute is calling his bluff, and he's right to do so.
Assuming he is absolutely dead set against playing for the Packers next year, the Packers can either....
...refuse to move him. Sure they get to keep his contract $$$, but then a cloud hangs over the organization all off season. What if he shows up just before the season starts? Or halfway through the season? It would be a mess.
...or trade him now. Get something for their asset. Draft picks, a player of some sort, etc. He becomes less valuable if the situation above happens because teams know they will be desperate to trade him. (See what happened with Favre.)
I think they should continue to talk with him. Continue to try to make amends and extend him. But if it doesn't work, trade him after June 1 when the cap hit is easier to deal with. Ship him to an AFC team that might be desperate to overpay...I am looking at you Raiders.
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Rodgers is petty enough to where he will do exactly that and go host jeopardy.
Yeah, Rodgers has never struck me as a guy who needs football, the way Tom Brady or Drew Brees need football. The guy has nearly $241 million in career earnings just from football and millions and millions more from sponsorships. And opportunities to earn money in other ways once he leaves the game. He doesn't need the Packers' money.
Honestly, this could be a golden ticket for the Packers to set themselves up for the next decade, if they play their cards right. As crazy as it sounds to trade away a top 2-3 QB, they'd be foolish to not at least take calls.
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Actually, I think AR showing the world that he can still play at MVP levels into his 40's is VERY important to him. If Brady didn't just do it, then maybe not. But he is showing his desperation, because claiming he won't play is his only move. It's really not that smart, IMO. Just play better than Jordan Love, that's all you need to do. Him being so but-hurt by that is not a good look.
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Why? The salary difference between the 11th pick and the 20th pick is about $5 million over four years.
You’re not following my logic. What was the rush to sign Dalton? What was the rush to commit $9 million on top of that? They did not let the market settle, and they knew they had to make a decision on Fuller. They already had Foles under contract. By jumping on Dalton, they ultimately sacrificed Fuller for the cap space.
Either they sign Dalton later at a less expensive price, or they wait until the draft to decide what to do at QB. Signing Dalton when they did sacrificed keeping Fuller.
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Rodgers has a ton of leverage.
If he plays, the Packers can contend for the conference title; if he refuses to play, the Packers almost surely will suck. That's a ton of leverage.
Plus, he simply doesn't need the money. He wants the money, of course. He wants even more money. But he doesn't need it, and that's also a ton of leverage.
He also saw what Brady did going to a different franchise and winning a Super Bowl immediately. The Bucs had some talent, but they still had sucked for years and they didn't go all-in on winning until Brady signed on. And plenty of people thought Brady was no longer a great QB going into last season. You don't think Rodgers has the confidence/ego to believe he could do similar with any number of other teams?
NFL contracts famously favor the teams and not the players, making it different from basketball and baseball. I'd argue that Rodgers has about as much leverage as an NFL player can have.
As for whether he's the GOAT ... of course not. He simply hasn't won enough in the postseason. He isn't in Brady's league when it comes to the single most important "stat," and I'm not sure why he would have any more claim to GOAT than Favre, Brees, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, Elway, etc.
And I am saying that as a football fan (but not a Packers fan) who loves watching Rodgers play, and who believes he absolutely is among the best dozen (maybe even best half-dozen) QBs ever.
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I think Rodgers is the most insecure superstar I have ever seen. We have been lucky enough to see three of the greatest competitors in the history of sports over the past 40 years, Tiger, MJ and Brady. All three of these guys have winning in their DNA are freaks in that regard. Winners and leaders are born that way and they come around infrequently. We have been lucky to witness three of them in our lifetimes. Great winners/leaders/competitors seldom tell others they possess those skills because they do not need to. Rodgers has to remind everyone about the chip on his shoulder, holding grudges and being smart because IMO he is very insecure.
Aaron Rodgers is off the charts talented and that should be appreciated, but he is not a winner. Look up his numbers against teams with winning records, NFC championship games, road record, etc..and it is not impressive. Tom Brady had 19 game road winning streak end a few years ago. Winners almost always win on the biggest stage and Rodgers has not.
I will say this,Brett Favre broke my heart countless times and Rodgers has never broke my heart as a Packer fan. A guy that calls a hail mary pass against the Lions in the regular season one of his greatest career highlights convinced me he was not a team player. I just listened again to Rory talking about a recent visit to Tiger's house and a discussion they had over his trophies and what meant to the most to Tiger. My guess is Tiger has had more "hail mary" moments than Rodgers and picking up hardware is what he cherishes.
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Rodgers has a ton of leverage.
If he plays, the Packers can contend for the conference title; if he refuses to play, the Packers almost surely will suck. That's a ton of leverage.
I don’t know that he has a ton of leverage if the goal is to get out of GB. They likely won’t trade him before June 1 as I think he costs more to trade than stay until then.
The Packers will have Love start whether he holds out or is off the team, so I wonder if you keep him and see if he changes his mind. As Fluffy points out, the drama may torpedo the season, but Love at QB probably already limits your ceiling.
I’m surprised he wants to go the trade route unless he’s just that unhappy. The Packers control where he goes. Although, Rodgers’ leverage is impacting what the Packers can get by saying who he’d sign an extension with. He is still under contract for 3 more years, so would the new team need to extend him?
It’s all pretty fascinating. The Packers are perfectly set up to make a decision next year of go with Love or commit to Rodgers and find a new project QB. Rodgers threw a wrench by bouncing back and playing great. Now he’s forcing that decision a year early. Granted I think we all figured this would come to a head at this point.
This might mean Love is doing well otherwise Rodgers probably wouldn’t feel all that threatened.
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I'll defend him. He took a depleted roster, added talent through FA and the draft, hired a good young coach, resigned all of the key offensive players, and has been to two straight NFC Championship Games.
And they have offered Rodgers an extension. But he won't sign it because they drafted Jordan Love without telling him? No offense, but that's not the GM's fault. That's a petulant quarterback.
I don't disagree, but people telling me that 'Rodgers lost a step' are kidding themselves.
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Pettiness aside, I think Rodgers is most like Lebron in his insecurity and need for constant affirmation and knack for needlessly reminding people of how great he is or how hard things are for him or how he’s treated. Both insane physical gifts and all time talent/performance but demeanor and media presence which doesn’t line up with it
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I don’t know that he has a ton of leverage if the goal is to get out of GB. They likely won’t trade him before June 1 as I think he costs more to trade than stay until then.
The Packers will have Love start whether he holds out or is off the team, so I wonder if you keep him and see if he changes his mind. As Fluffy points out, the drama may torpedo the season, but Love at QB probably already limits your ceiling.
I’m surprised he wants to go the trade route unless he’s just that unhappy. The Packers control where he goes. Although, Rodgers’ leverage is impacting what the Packers can get by saying who he’d sign an extension with. He is still under contract for 3 more years, so would the new team need to extend him?
It’s all pretty fascinating. The Packers are perfectly set up to make a decision next year of go with Love or commit to Rodgers and find a new project QB. Rodgers threw a wrench by bouncing back and playing great. Now he’s forcing that decision a year early. Granted I think we all figured this would come to a head at this point.
This might mean Love is doing well otherwise Rodgers probably wouldn’t feel all that threatened.
That is the fascinating part in all this. AR being hurt by them drafting Love shouldn't really mean anything, why would one of the greatest of all time, playing at an MVP level be worried about Love? Why would the Packers just cut the reigning MVP to play an unproven rookie? Of course they wouldn't- no team ever would do that. If he was that threatened by them drafting Love he would have been saying this stuff last year, not now. But he didn't say that last year, because Love wasn't a threat last year. The only thing that changed is they played a full season- where they were essentially one or two plays from the Super Bowl. Why is he so threatened now? He should be MORE confident that he's not close to losing his job after an MVP season, not less so.
Of course- he may not be threatened at all by Love, and he is just being a petulant diva. I love AR, so I hope that isn't true, but it might be that simple. This is all so stupid.
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That is the fascinating part in all this. AR being hurt by them drafting Love shouldn't really mean anything, why would one of the greatest of all time, playing at an MVP level be worried about Love? Why would the Packers just cut the reigning MVP to play an unproven rookie? Of course they wouldn't- no team ever would do that. If he was that threatened by them drafting Love he would have been saying this stuff last year, not now. But he didn't say that last year, because Love wasn't a threat last year. The only thing that changed is they played a full season- where they were essentially one or two plays from the Super Bowl. Why is he so threatened now? He should be MORE confident that he's not close to losing his job after an MVP season, not less so.
Of course- he may not be threatened at all by Love, and he is just being a petulant diva. I love AR, so I hope that isn't true, but it might be that simple. This is all so stupid.
Wasn't it less to do with another qb being a threat to his job and more him being mad that they could have used the pick on another offensive weapon?
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Actually, I think AR showing the world that he can still play at MVP levels into his 40's is VERY important to him. If Brady didn't just do it, then maybe not. But he is showing his desperation, because claiming he won't play is his only move. It's really not that smart, IMO. Just play better than Jordan Love, that's all you need to do. Him being so but-hurt by that is not a good look.
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He also saw what Brady did going to a different franchise and winning a Super Bowl immediately. The Bucs had some talent, but they still had sucked for years and they didn't go all-in on winning until Brady signed on. And plenty of people thought Brady was no longer a great QB going into last season. You don't think Rodgers has the confidence/ego to believe he could do similar with any number of other teams?
exactly this.
People who don't think Rodgers is a competitor haven't been watching the same guy I have for the last decade and a half. I think his desire to win championships is what is fueling this behavior. This isn't about money. This is 100% about getting more trophies so he can be in the running for one of the best of all time.
BTW Goose, Brett Favre is/was a chump QB compared to Rodgers. Favre was fun to watch, but he flushed a lot more games down the toilet than Rodgers.
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Wasn't it less to do with another qb being a threat to his job and more him being mad that they could have used the pick on another offensive weapon?
That's my opinion as well. They could have taken players to help a 13-3 team get over the hump. Instead they took a player they didn't really need.
You guys can call Rodgers a diva, and maybe some of that is true. But the media makes up narratives to make money. How would Brady have reacted if the Pats had taken a QB in the first round a year after going 13-3?
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Rodgers is a much better pure QB than Favre and no argument from me. Rodgers being a competitor, that is a different story. Not impressed one bit by Rodgers competitive nature. In that regard, he is just another guy to me.
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Wasn't it less to do with another qb being a threat to his job and more him being mad that they could have used the pick on another offensive weapon?
Why do they need another offensive weapon? That's another thing I keep hearing that makes no sense. They had the #1 offense in the league. They had the best offensive line, the best WR, one of the best RB's (and the best pair of backup RB's), one of the best sets of TE's. So the #2 and #3 WR weren't also the best, boo-f'ing-hoo. They were good enough.
They made 2 straight league championship games. That's f'ing awesome, not some reason to complain. Imagine you are a Bears fan, and hear Packer fans complain that they didn't win another SB.
The reason they lost both NFC championship games had NOTHING to do with their offensive weapons. The SF game was the run defense (duh). The TB game was 1) a crapty ref call that turned a PI call into an AR interception, followed by 2) a Kevin King/Pettine brain fart. Neither of those things were the offensive's fault.
AR being pissy about that bothers me.
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hards
Rodgers is a much better pure QB than Favre and no argument from me. Rodgers being a competitor, that is a different story. Not impressed one bit by Rodgers competitive nature. In that regard, he is just another guy to me.
Honestly I just don't see this. I think Rodgers is extremely competitive.
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My definition of competitive is a guy that does not accept losing. Plenty of people say they are competitive and all they do is lose. True competitors will do anything to win, even cheat to win. I will never be convinced that Rodgers is a competitor, at least by my definition of competitor.
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Although Brady went to a team that didn’t look like a contender the year before and won a Super Bowl.
To be pedantic about it, sure the Bucs didn't look like contenders but they were absolutely loaded with talent and were 1 QB away. Shaq Barrett was coming off a year where he led the league in sacks and they had probably the most talented receiving corps in football. Obviously they added some additional pieces too.
Point is, there's a very good reason the Rams and 49ers wanted Rodgers bad, despite his age. They're both a star QB away from winning it all. In fact I expect the Rams to be legit contenders this year with Stafford.
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On a related note to the head-scratching 2020 draft.
Drafting AJ Dillon makes even less sense now in hindsight. I 100% thought Dillon was meant to be Jones' replacement. Love Aaron Jones but I was shocked the day they signed him to a new deal.
It's getting harder to defend Gute and the management when you look at all these moves, which are bizarre at best.
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Why do they need another offensive weapon? That's another thing I keep hearing that makes no sense. They had the #1 offense in the league. They had the best offensive line, the best WR, one of the best RB's (and the best pair of backup RB's), one of the best sets of TE's. So the #2 and #3 WR weren't also the best, boo-f'ing-hoo. They were good enough.
They made 2 straight league championship games. That's f'ing awesome, not some reason to complain. Imagine you are a Bears fan, and hear Packer fans complain that they didn't win another SB.
The reason they lost both NFC championship games had NOTHING to do with their offensive weapons. The SF game was the run defense (duh). The TB game was 1) a crapty ref call that turned a PI call into an AR interception, followed by 2) a Kevin King/Pettine brain fart. Neither of those things were the offensive's fault.
AR being pissy about that bothers me.
I am a Bears fan, and that's all I heard when I lived in Wisconsin. (Along with "Cutler suuuuucckks")
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On a related note to the head-scratching 2020 draft.
Drafting AJ Dillon makes even less sense now in hindsight. I 100% thought Dillon was meant to be Jones' replacement. Love Aaron Jones but I was shocked the day they signed him to a new deal.
It's getting harder to defend Gute and the management when you look at all these moves, which are bizarre at best.
They're entirely different backs. Dillon is a smasher. Jones is fast, strong and can catch passes. Dillon was the backup to whichever guy they retained. And they got Jones for a song.
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I am a Bears fan, and that's all I heard when I lived in Wisconsin. (Along with "Cutler suuuuucckks")
Imagine having 30 years of HOF QBs and 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Getting excited about winning the NFC North is for loser franchises. ;D
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I don't see every Packers game, let alone every play, so I can't say for certain where Rodgers ranks on the "great competitor" scale. He sure seems to compete when I do watch him - plays hurt, keeps plays alive, willing to take a hit, etc. Do I know that he won't "accept losing"? No I do not. I don't know how I'd know that.
But no, Goose, he's no Jordan, Tiger or Brady. Nobody is. The results certainly confirm that. He's no Russell, Messier or Magic, either.
Wags, the comparison to LeBron ... maybe personality-wise you're right. Of course, the difference between them is that LeBron has 4 rings, won with 3 different franchises, in which he was the star of each team. He also has more than one trip to his sport's championship round. Lots of people hate LeBron, but he desperately wants to win, and it's pretty much all he has done. Hell, he went to the NBA Finals with a Cleveland team that would have had trouble winning the Big Ten without him (that's hyperbole). But yes, he is a diva. And it appears Rodgers is, too.
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I am a Bears fan, and that's all I heard when I lived in Wisconsin. (Along with "Cutler suuuuucckks")
As a Packers fan I say this with great self awareness: We've earned the upcoming 40 years in the desert and will deserve sympathy from no one.
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They're entirely different backs. Dillon is a smasher. Jones is fast, strong and can catch passes. Dillon was the backup to whichever guy they retained. And they got Jones for a song.
I don't disagree they are totally different styles of back. But how often is a running back drafted out of the 2nd round to be a long term backup? We got Williams and Jones in the 4th and 5th rounds, respectively.
I hope I end up being wrong, but when you got a guy as talented as Jones, prioritizing a RB in the 2nd seems like an odd strategy unless you're anticipating letting him walk in free agency.
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I don't see every Packers game, let alone every play, so I can't say for certain where Rodgers ranks on the "great competitor" scale. He sure seems to compete when I do watch him - plays hurt, keeps plays alive, willing to take a hit, etc. Do I know that he won't "accept losing"? No I do not. I don't know how I'd know that.
But no, Goose, he's no Jordan, Tiger or Brady. Nobody is. The results certainly confirm that. He's no Russell, Messier or Magic, either.
Wags, the comparison to LeBron ... maybe personality-wise you're right. Of course, the difference between them is that LeBron has 4 rings, won with 3 different franchises, in which he was the star of each team. He also has more than one trip to his sport's championship round. Lots of people hate LeBron, but he desperately wants to win, and it's pretty much all he has done. Hell, he went to the NBA Finals with a Cleveland team that would have had trouble winning the Big Ten without him (that's hyperbole). But yes, he is a diva. And it appears Rodgers is, too.
I’m no Rodgers fan but he’s wildly competitive. Favre’s “gunslinging” doesn’t make him more of a competitor. They approach how they play QB differently. Rodgers is way more cerebral and tries to outsmart the other team much to his teams detriment just as Favre tried to make things happen with his arm to his detriment. Rodgers doesn’t throw back breaking interceptions and between the two, he’s the one I’d take all the time.
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On a related note to the head-scratching 2020 draft.
Drafting AJ Dillon makes even less sense now in hindsight. I 100% thought Dillon was meant to be Jones' replacement. Love Aaron Jones but I was shocked the day they signed him to a new deal.
It's getting harder to defend Gute and the management when you look at all these moves, which are bizarre at best.
See, that's another odd comment to me. At the time I honestly thought the Rashan Gary pick was strange. But he turned out to be really good. I initially thought the AJ Dillon pick was strange, but I'm super excited about him now. Given that both GB's Rbs had only one year left on their contract at last year's draft (and it was possible at the time that A Jones was gonna be too expensive), Dillon was a fantastic pick. Turns out he was meant to be Jamal Williams' replacement. AJ is way better than Williams, smart move.
I also thought the Love pick was strange at the time, but I ultimately understood it given what they knew at the time. GB's front office is NOT the problem. In fact, I think they are proving to be one of the smartest groups in the league.
Expecting pretty much ANY rookie to contribute meaningfully in their first year is foolish thinking. Smart front offices draft for two years out. I'm guessing they may take 2 WR's between today and tomorrow, cuz most of their wideouts have one year left on their contracts. Maybe another CB or safety. Not sure they need to take an O lineman if Bakt is really rehabbing quickly- because they drafted 3 last year for this very reason- they new Linsley was gonna be too expensive this offseason and needed to prep his replacement. If the Bakt stuff was bullsh*t (very possible), then they probably take an OT in the 2nd round.
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I don't disagree they are totally different styles of back. But how often is a running back drafted out of the 2nd round to be a long term backup? We got Williams and Jones in the 4th and 5th rounds, respectively.
I hope I end up being wrong, but when you got a guy as talented as Jones, prioritizing a RB in the 2nd seems like an odd strategy unless you're anticipating letting him walk in free agency.
Wiliams and Jones were both up for FA this off season. They were only ever going to keep one. If Jones gets hurt, Dillon can shoulder the load just fine. The Dillon pick was fine, it offered them flexibility... and he looked like a monster last season even after having covid. I think he's going to be really good next year with more touches.
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Rico
I do not believe I ever said Favre was a great competitor. I love Brett Favre but he was the dumbest QB I ever saw play at very high level. Rodgers is far more gifted and has one less SB appearance than Favre.
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I have said for years that Brady could hand the ball off on every offensive play and be happy if the team won. That is a competitor to me. Rodgers keeps plays alive, has played hurt and a lot of guys do that. Again, to me, a competitor is someone that wins on the biggest stage more times than not.
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Wags, the comparison to LeBron ... maybe personality-wise you're right. Of course, the difference between them is that LeBron has 4 rings, won with 3 different franchises, in which he was the star of each team. He also has more than one trip to his sport's championship round. Lots of people hate LeBron, but he desperately wants to win, and it's pretty much all he has done. Hell, he went to the NBA Finals with a Cleveland team that would have had trouble winning the Big Ten without him (that's hyperbole). But yes, he is a diva. And it appears Rodgers is, too.
That’s all I was saying. Performance and results wise, totally agree. But they both are so desperate to be liked and fawned over. Every star athlete wants to be loved and receive accolades, but Lebron and Rodgers both need to be liked by all, be fawned over, and appear to be the smartest, most clever person in the room
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See, that's another odd comment to me. At the time I honestly thought the Rashan Gary pick was strange. But he turned out to be really good. I initially thought the AJ Dillon pick was strange, but I'm super excited about him now. Given that both GB's Rbs had only one year left on their contract at last year's draft (and it was possible at the time that A Jones was gonna be too expensive), Dillon was a fantastic pick. Turns out he was meant to be Jamal Williams' replacement. AJ is way better than Williams, smart move.
I also thought the Love pick was strange at the time, but I ultimately understood it given what they knew at the time. GB's front office is NOT the problem. In fact, I think they are proving to be one of the smartest groups in the league.
Expecting pretty much ANY rookie to contribute meaningfully in their first year is foolish thinking. Smart front offices draft for two years out. I'm guessing they may take 2 WR's between today and tomorrow, cuz most of their wideouts have one year left on their contracts. Maybe another CB or safety. Not sure they need to take an O lineman if Bakt is really rehabbing quickly- because they drafted 3 last year for this very reason- they new Linsley was gonna be too expensive this offseason and needed to prep his replacement. If the Bakt stuff was bullsh*t (very possible), then they probably take an OT in the 2nd round.
Bolded part... exactly, they have no choice. Almost none of the guys on the roster currently will be there after this year.
I'd be looking at WRs, LB, and OL as needs, and take value picks where available for the rest. With all those picks, they could be on the move to trade up for someone they're targetting.
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Fun fact: Since 2009, the Bears have invested 13 draft picks in QBs, including five first-rounders. Fourteen if you count the pick used on Kyle Orton, who was part of the Cutler trade.
Does this include the #1's they traded too?
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That’s all I was saying. Performance and results wise, totally agree. But they both are so desperate to be liked and fawned over. Every star athlete wants to be loved and receive accolades, but Lebron and Rodgers both need to be liked by all, be fawned over, and appear to be the smartest, most clever person in the room
Can't argue with that. LeBron is downright embarrassing sometimes with his pursuit of adulation. Rodgers, I just don't know his persona well enough, but I'll take the word of those who watch him a lot more closely.
I have said for years that Brady could hand the ball off on every offensive play and be happy if the team won. That is a competitor to me. Rodgers keeps plays alive, has played hurt and a lot of guys do that. Again, to me, a competitor is someone that wins on the biggest stage more times than not.
I'm not sure I agree with all this, Goose. But I don't want to have a Scoop semantics battle, so I'll just say that different folks can have different opinions on stuff that can't be "proven."
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I do not believe I ever said Favre was a great competitor. I love Brett Favre but he was the dumbest QB I ever saw play at very high level. Rodgers is far more gifted and has one less SB appearance than Favre.
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I have said for years that Brady could hand the ball off on every offensive play and be happy if the team won. That is a competitor to me. Rodgers keeps plays alive, has played hurt and a lot of guys do that. Again, to me, a competitor is someone that wins on the biggest stage more times than not.
By that criteria, a lot of QBs wouldn’t be considered a competitor
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hards
Rodgers is a much better pure QB than Favre and no argument from me. Rodgers being a competitor, that is a different story. Not impressed one bit by Rodgers competitive nature. In that regard, he is just another guy to me.
Goose, Favre was a drunk, a drug addict, and a womanizer, who really didn't pride himself in staying in shape or training/practicing in most off seasons.
I can make a better argument for Rodgers being a competitor than Favre.
Favre was a disgusting human being.
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OK. Never have I said Favre was a better competitor or QB to Rodgers but thanks for stating your thoughts on the topic.
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Does this include the #1's they traded too?
Yes.
Two firsts and a third for Cutler.
Two firsts, a fourth and a fifth for Fields.
A first, two thirds and a fourth for Money Mitch.
Drafted David Fales, Nathan Enderle and Dan LeFevour.
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Yes.
Two firsts and a third for Cutler.
Two firsts, a fourth and a fifth for Fields.
A first, two thirds and a fourth for Money Mitch.
Drafted David Fales, Nathan Enderle and Dan LeFevour.
From that jewel of a 2011 draft that got Angelo fired. Not only did they have only 5 picks, none of them played for the Bears for more than 2 seasons, except for 1...Chris f-ing Conte.
Picking Enderle instead of Tyrod Taylor was stupid then and looked even stupider later
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The Washington Post's Mark Maske did a list of "winners" and "losers" from the draft's first night. The first two he named in the "Losers" column:
Aaron Rodgers: If Rodgers hoped to force the Packers into trading him by telling the team, according to people familiar with the situation, that he might not return to play for Green Bay in the 2021 season, it didn’t work, at least not during Thursday night’s opening round of the draft. Rodgers remains under contract to the Packers through the 2023 season. The Packers could, if they want, force him to play for them or play for no one in 2021.
Packers: This stalemate is not good for anyone. The Packers have managed to alienate an all-time-great quarterback and the reigning league MVP. Their use of a first-round pick in last year’s NFL draft on quarterback Jordan Love was the beginning of the end of Rodgers’s tenure in Green Bay. Love was an idle bystander as the Packers lost a second straight NFC championship game, and now there is plenty of room to wonder if the relationship between Rodgers and the organization is irreparable.
My team was another loser:
Panthers: How about giving quarterback Sam Darnold some help? The Panthers traded for Darnold after Darnold failed with the Jets, in large part because of that franchise’s inability to surround him with enough capable players on offense. Carolina could have fortified Darnold’s offensive line by using the No. 8 pick on tackle Rashawn Slater. Instead, the Panthers chose cornerback Jaycee Horn and allowed Slater to be taken five choices later by the Chargers. Darnold’s loss was Justin Herbert’s gain.
If Horn emerges as the lock-down corner that the Panthers say he can be, I am totally fine with this pick. Slater has been projected to be a guard by most, and the Panthers need a LT. I'd rather have a great CB than a misplaced LT. But if Slater turns out to be a very good LT and if Horn can't cover anybody, then yeah, the pick sucked. Nobody knows yet, including Mark Maske.
The first team listed among Maske's "winners":
Bears: The Bears clearly weren’t as enamored with Andy Dalton being their starter at quarterback as they appeared before the draft. They made a bold and aggressive move by trading up nine spots in the opening-round to take Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields 11th overall. Many regarded Fields as the second-best quarterback available in the draft. It was only four years ago the Bears passed on Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson to draft Mitchell Trubisky as their would-be franchise quarterback. Now, trading up to land Fields could end up saving the jobs of Coach Matt Nagy and General Manager Ryan Pace.
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forgetful
OK. Never have I said Favre was a better competitor or QB to Rodgers but thanks for stating your thoughts on the topic.
Am I misreading the quote from you below? Very possible, the internet is a poor way to carry on discussions, but I read the quote as saying that Favre is a much better competitor than Rodgers.
My apologies if I misread it.
hards
Rodgers is a much better pure QB than Favre and no argument from me. Rodgers being a competitor, that is a different story. Not impressed one bit by Rodgers competitive nature. In that regard, he is just another guy to me.
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forgetful
NP. I was addressing two different points hards had mentioned and can see how it could be confusing.
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Just got off the phone with my son. He said he had a softball game at Hamlin Park last night, and in the middle of the game one guy who was in the batting team's dugout yells, "Hey, the Bears just made a trade!" And the softball game stops while they wait to hear the details. And when it's announced that the Bears have picked Fields, a huge cheer goes out. The umpire even high-fives the batter!
So if nothing else, this probably will energize the fanbase for the offseason -- much the same way getting Shaka has energized most of the Marquette fanbase.
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Yea I’ve never seen Bears fans so universally in agreement about anything.
Whether Fields is good or not is a whole different matter, but energizing is certainly the right phrase for it.
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Yea I’ve never seen Bears fans so universally in agreement about anything.
Whether Fields is good or not is a whole different matter, but energizing is certainly the right phrase for it.
People were pretty pumped when they traded for Smokin' Jay, IIRC.
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I may be the only Bears fan lukewarm on Fields that exists. I’m hopeful of course, but I’m not nearly as out of the box excited as seemingly everyone else. I’m going to wait to see on Fields.
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I may be the only Bears fan lukewarm on Fields that exists. I’m hopeful of course, but I’m not nearly as out of the box excited as seemingly everyone else. I’m going to wait to see on Fields.
I'm lukewarm on Fields only because I'm cold on the Mcaskeys/Pace/Nagy/entire Bears franchise.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3361710/its-happening-again...-chicago-bears-fans-need-an-intervention
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I'd like to see GB trade up and grab Elijah Moore.
I think they need to trade up and grab someone who can play on day 1, preferentially a receiver.
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I'm lukewarm on Fields only because I'm cold on the Mcaskeys/Pace/Nagy/entire Bears franchise.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3361710/its-happening-again...-chicago-bears-fans-need-an-intervention
Dante is a smug Patriots fan who likes to masquerade as a Chicago sports expert. Half this blog made me roll my eyes.
That being said, I get where trepidation about the Bears in general exist, for VERY good reason. But I don’t think that should be narrowed into Fields.
Fields is very accurate, a playmaker, and if he has sat out this season for COVID reasons, he would have been the #2 pick. Going into the draft, I felt he was the most “turnaround ready” QB.
Nagy and Pace are mostly fools, but they didn’t reach many picks too high for him, and he’s not a project. That’s why I’m excited. Blind squirrels can find nuts
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Is this...what competence feels like?
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That second Bears draft trade sucks. There is plenty of good OL depth to get in the 2nd round.
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That second Bears draft trade sucks. There is plenty of good OL depth to get in the 2nd round.
That was a mid first round value pick though. I hate losing the 3rd, but that’s a high quality pick.
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I may be the only Bears fan lukewarm on Fields that exists. I’m hopeful of course, but I’m not nearly as out of the box excited as seemingly everyone else. I’m going to wait to see on Fields.
QBs in the draft are tricky and I’m no expert - but I was surprised and skeptical when they traded up and took Trubisky instead of Watson (I didn’t know enough about Mahomes to hate the move even more!)
This pick seems as logical to me as that one seemed illogical. Two thumbs up from me.
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That was a mid first round value pick though. I hate losing the 3rd, but that’s a high quality pick.
My issue is they very much need effective, inexpensive starters/depth. They aren’t contenders in ‘21. Losing all these picks is no bueno.
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My issue is they very much need effective, inexpensive starters/depth. They aren’t contenders in ‘21. Losing all these picks is no bueno.
I don’t disagree. I was honestly hoping for Rondale Moore and then an OT in the 3rd
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I had hoped the Panthers wouldn’t take Fields, so the Panthers’ braintrust and I are either gonna be very wrong or very right.
Meanwhile, the Panthers keep trading down in Round 2. One more and there won’t be a R2 anymore!!
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My issue is they very much need effective, inexpensive starters/depth. They aren’t contenders in ‘21. Losing all these picks is no bueno.
Again, ownership.
They're letting 2 guys on their last year jeopardize the future of the franchise to keep their jobs. It's so dumb
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I don’t disagree. I was honestly hoping for Rondale Moore and then an OT in the 3rd
I would have loved taking a shot on Moore but it turns out he would have been gone by the 52nd pick. Depth is great but so are all pros. I’ve seen Teven Jenkins as high as 17 in mock drafts. Trading up to get him makes sense to me.
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I would have loved taking a shot on Moore but it turns out he would have been gone by the 52nd pick. Depth is great but so are all pros. I’ve seen Teven Jenkins as high as 17 in mock drafts. Trading up to get him makes sense to me.
When your team has many holes and lack of depth, having fewer draft picks doesn't make any sense to me.
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That second Bears draft trade sucks. There is plenty of good OL depth to get in the 2nd round.
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Ooh ... I actually like the pick the Panthers finally made.
Ended up getting a 1st-round talent late in the 2nd (Terrace Marshall) and picked up two extra 3rd-rounders in the process via those trade-downs.
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When your team has many holes and lack of depth, having fewer draft picks doesn't make any sense to me.
Sure. But the goal of early rounds is also to get starters and Jenkins should start Week 1. Like I said, losing the 3rd upset me a bit, but having the QB of the future and a starting tackle who people talked about potentially being their pick yesterday at 20 makes it hard to be too upset.
They got the 5th back that they traded yesterday. So really they just lost a 3rd and a 6th. And they have a bunch of 6ths anyways.
Both picks have been highly praised and regarded, which feels abnormal for the Bears
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Bucs have done well the first two rounds. They re-signed all their own free agents , so now they are using the old Dallas Cowboys theory of drafting the best available player late in.
They selected a high quality Outside Linebacker in the first round and a decent QB in the second. Bucs can take the time to groom both for the future .
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Packers 3rd round pick WR Amari Rodgers should be an interesting target for Aaron Rodgers .
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Packers 3rd round pick WR Amari Rodgers should be an interesting target for Aaron Rodgers .
Jordan Love will love throwing to him
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Sure. But the goal of early rounds is also to get starters and Jenkins should start Week 1. Like I said, losing the 3rd upset me a bit, but having the QB of the future and a starting tackle who people talked about potentially being their pick yesterday at 20 makes it hard to be too upset.
They got the 5th back that they traded yesterday. So really they just lost a 3rd and a 6th. And they have a bunch of 6ths anyways.
Both picks have been highly praised and regarded, which feels abnormal for the Bears
I understand what the early rounds are for. And the Bears seemingly have nailed both picks.
But they don't have the draft capital to build a deep, successful franchise.
Again, Pace is mortgaging the future to save his job. Ownership is terrible.
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I understand what the early rounds are for. And the Bears seemingly have nailed both picks.
But they don't have the draft capital to build a deep, successful franchise.
Again, Pace is mortgaging the future to save his job. Ownership is terrible.
If Fields is the guy that trade will be well worth it. That could also be a big help with the cap over the next 4-5 seasons.
I figured trading down today was much more likely than trading up again and I don't like losing the 3rd but I'm having trouble getting too upset because I love the pick itself.
Will be interested to see how tomorrow goes before making any final judgments.
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I understand what the early rounds are for. And the Bears seemingly have nailed both picks.
But they don't have the draft capital to build a deep, successful franchise.
Again, Pace is mortgaging the future to save his job. Ownership is terrible.
They weren’t going to do it in just this draft. It’s really just a 3rd round pick they gave up this year, for Fields and Jenkins, that would have thought to be an impact player. They have a full year to acquire some draft picks for next year. Not for nothing, Pace has always done his better draft work in the later rounds. Him seemingly nailing 2 early pics is what is rare. Wish he had a 4 and another 5, instead of a pile of 6s, but otherwise I’m not too upset by what could have been this year. 2 slam dunk picks (for now) is worth a 3rd for me
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I like those 2 picks.
But still ultimately disagree.
It is not a viable strategy for long term success to reduce draft picks. And this team isn't in "win now" mode to be able to sacrifice picks.
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The history of QBs drafted in the 1st round says Love & Fields will both be busts.
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Most quarterbacks are busts regardless of where they are selected.
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The interesting thing about the "Pace has to win now" thing, is that for coaches/GMs who are feeling the pressure to win immediately, starting a rookie QB is usually the very last thing they want to be doing. I mean, Manning was 3-13 as a rookie. Elway, Bradshaw, could list dozens. Even Newton, as good as he was, couldn't save the Panthers as a rookie. Same with Herbert last season.
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Jordan Love will love throwing to him
Maybe this will be the theme song when they connect together on a TD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFlx2Lnr9Q
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Jordan Love will love throwing to him
Rodgers ultimately will not walk away from all that money for his high school little pi$$ fit. Not only that, read last night he’ll have to pay back Packers $11.5m if he retires and another $11.5m in ‘22 if he stays retired.
So he can huff and puff like the diva he is and play his little games through media leaks, but he’ll cave with all those millions on the line. It is all about the money for him too.
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Packers 3rd round pick WR Amari Rodgers should be an interesting target for Aaron Rodgers .
Love the pick. Wish he were a little taller, but about time they invested higher draft choice on a receiver. Group after Adams is so pedestrian. When unreliable Valdes-Scantling is your 2nd best guy, that’s an issue.
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My personal draft philosophy is get as many second, third, and first half of round four picks as you can.
Obviously you need other teams willing to trade with you to do that, but the more lotto tickets from picks 33-110 you can get, the more likely you’ll hit on finding star players and starters.
I certainly hope that both Jenkins and Fields are great, and both fill big needs. I just have major concerns about this roster still for ‘21 and beyond.
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My personal draft philosophy is get as many second, third, and first half of round four picks as you can.
Obviously you need other teams willing to trade with you to do that, but the more lotto tickets from picks 33-110 you can get, the more likely you’ll hit on finding star players and starters.
I certainly hope that both Jenkins and Fields are great, and both fill big needs. I just have major concerns about this roster still for ‘21 and beyond.
Pace really isn't a third round guy. Only Monty wasn't a bust.
In fact, Pace is best on Draft Day 3 which pretty much explains the Bears' issues.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-draft-picks-ryan-pace-era/amp/
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The interesting thing about the "Pace has to win now" thing, is that for coaches/GMs who are feeling the pressure to win immediately, starting a rookie QB is usually the very last thing they want to be doing. I mean, Manning was 3-13 as a rookie. Elway, Bradshaw, could list dozens. Even Newton, as good as he was, couldn't save the Panthers as a rookie. Same with Herbert last season.
During the absurd end-of-season press conference multiple questions were asked about the contract statuses of Nagy and Pace. In bizarre fashion no one would provide any details. Some wondered if extensions were given and not announced so maybe these guys aren’t on the proverbial hot seat that most think they are. It’s the McCaskeys, after all.
I fully agree that trading up is not a viable long-term strategy. More picks and more inexpensive young talent is needed. It would be nice to go into a draft with a full allotment of picks. But if they were able to obtain a franchise QB and a 10-year starter at RT the past couple of days I’ll take it. Sure, it’s a big “if” but to get who many rated as the #2 QB and #3-4 OT at 11 and 39 is solid.
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My personal draft philosophy is get as many second, third, and first half of round four picks as you can.
Obviously you need other teams willing to trade with you to do that, but the more lotto tickets from picks 33-110 you can get, the more likely you’ll hit on finding star players and starters.
I certainly hope that both Jenkins and Fields are great, and both fill big needs. I just have major concerns about this roster still for ‘21 and beyond.
This has been Rick Spielman's MO forever. And as a Vikings fan I can attest that it is a proven approach to success.........as long as success is defined as having the second day of the draft be your most exciting day of the NFL year.
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The interesting thing about the "Pace has to win now" thing, is that for coaches/GMs who are feeling the pressure to win immediately, starting a rookie QB is usually the very last thing they want to be doing. I mean, Manning was 3-13 as a rookie. Elway, Bradshaw, could list dozens. Even Newton, as good as he was, couldn't save the Panthers as a rookie. Same with Herbert last season.
I don’t expect Field’s to start right away.
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Most quarterbacks are busts regardless of where they are selected.
Yes, they are. But the bust rate for QBs is higher in the 1st round than any other position.
Of course part of the reason is that the position is so important that teams overreach and take guys who have no business going that early.
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So Rodgers wants Gutey fired or he’s done in GB? Bring on the Love era then.
Plus, if the Packers fire Gutey, Rodgers would be petty enough to want out if Murphy sent him the wrong color toaster for his wedding.
A part of me still feels this is for contract leverage, but some of the more reliable names are going with it.
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Hoping Stone Forsythe falls into the Bears laps in round 6.
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Hoping Stone Forsythe falls into the Bears laps in round 6.
I figure they look elsewhere after taking Borom in the 5th
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So Rodgers wants Gutey fired or he’s done in GB? Bring on the Love era then.
Plus, if the Packers fire Gutey, Rodgers would be petty enough to want out if Murphy sent him the wrong color toaster for his wedding.
A part of me still feels this is for contract leverage, but some of the more reliable names are going with it.
Where did Rodgers say that?
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Where did Rodgers say that?
He hasn’t, but some reports out there. Obviously there’s a riff. The Gutey stuff may not be true.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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He hasn’t, but some reports out there.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-wont-return-to-packers-under-gm-brian-gutekunst-could-also-hold-out-of-camp-per-report/
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He hasn’t, but some reports out there. Obviously there’s a riff. The Gutey stuff may not be true.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Yeah. As I stated a couple days ago, it was always a Gutey issue. And it is all about respect regarding his contract. His salary is loser to Goff, Wentz, Cousins, Tannyhill, than it is to the top guys. Any good GM would have already dealt with this. It is about respect more than money.
I think any MVP caliber QB would be unhappy.
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Yeah. As I stated a couple days ago, it was always a Gutey issue. And it is all about respect regarding his contract. His salary is loser to Goff, Wentz, Cousins, Tannyhill, than it is to the top guys. Any good GM would have already dealt with this. It is about respect more than money.
I think any MVP caliber QB would be unhappy.
When he signed his contract it was above all of the guys you listed and only Goff gets as much. The QBs currently ahead of him are Mahomes, Prescott, Watson and Wilson. Mahomes, Watson and Prescott signed deals after Rodgers.
If he wants to be mad because they drafted a qb without getting his approval, fine, be mad. But if he thinks the fans will rally around him like they did Favre in the summer of 2008, he’s wrong. The backlash against him is far stronger than it ever was for Bert until he went to Minnesota.
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When he signed his contract it was above all of the guys you listed and only Goff gets as much. The QBs currently ahead of him are Mahomes, Prescott, Watson and Wilson. Mahomes, Watson and Prescott signed deals after Rodgers.
If he wants to be mad because they drafted a qb without getting his approval, fine, be mad. But if he thinks the fans will rally around him like they did Favre in the summer of 2008, he’s wrong. The backlash against him is far stronger than it ever was for Bert until he went to Minnesota.
You are correct, but this is about respect mor than money.
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Yeah. As I stated a couple days ago, it was always a Gutey issue. And it is all about respect regarding his contract. His salary is loser to Goff, Wentz, Cousins, Tannyhill, than it is to the top guys. Any good GM would have already dealt with this. It is about respect more than money.
I think any MVP caliber QB would be unhappy.
As Rico noted, when he signed the contract he was at the top.
And remember, GB has offered him a new deal, that he has refused to sign. I guarantee you that deal pays him near or at the top again. So, the low salary cannot really be an argument. If he wants more, sign the deal.
I really think this is him wanting control of the entire ship, which plays very poorly. Lost a good deal of respect for Rodgers over this. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken when he finds out.
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You are correct, but this is about respect mor than money.
I shouldn’t pretend to know the dynamic between him and the front office but I really don’t understand how they’ve disrespected him. This isn’t the NBA where you “need” a star. It’s such a different creature than that. If it’s about 2022, that’s right around the corner. He really can’t accept one more year and then be “free”? When he signed that deal, he knew what the future held with regard to what control Green Bay had and what control he had. That’s why Brady played out the string like he did. This is all avoided if Rodgers does the same. The Packers are beholden to 52 other players and the long term health of the organization. They’ve given him a lot of leeway and despite what people say, they’ve put a lot of talent around him. I have little doubt the front office could have done more with regards to pacifying him. He’s a diva, no one can argue that and massaging that ego of his had to be part of the front office’s duty. They misread how much that entailed. All that said, he’s the one leaking the stories, not the Packers. He looks bad and he’s out the franchise in an almost no-win situation. Time heals all wounds but when he gets traded this summer and I firmly believe that’s where this is headed, a lot of packers fans won’t welcome him back and rightly so
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I shouldn’t pretend to know the dynamic between him and the front office but I really don’t understand how they’ve disrespected him. This isn’t the NBA where you “need” a star. It’s such a different creature than that. If it’s about 2022, that’s right around the corner. He really can’t accept one more year and then be “free”? When he signed that deal, he knew what the future held with regard to what control Green Bay had and what control he had. That’s why Brady played out the string like he did. This is all avoided if Rodgers does the same. The Packers are beholden to 52 other players and the long term health of the organization. They’ve given him a lot of leeway and despite what people say, they’ve put a lot of talent around him. I have little doubt the front office could have done more with regards to pacifying him. He’s a diva, no one can argue that and massaging that ego of his had to be part of the front office’s duty. They misread how much that entailed. All that said, he’s the one leaking the stories, not the Packers. He looks bad and he’s out the franchise in an almost no-win situation. Time heals all wounds but when he gets traded this summer and I firmly believe that’s where this is headed, a lot of packers fans won’t welcome him back and rightly so
You may be right, but the 52 other players know full well that they will be fighting for 3rd place in the division if Love is the QB. That costs everybody 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars.
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You may be right, but the 52 other players know full well that they will be fighting for 3rd place in the division if Love is the QB. That costs everybody 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars.
Those other 52 might be sick of hearing about how number 12 doesn’t have any help, too
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I think you guys are wrong on Gutey offering a new contract. GB has only offered a re-structure. Aaron is looking for an extension.
Why? Because he wants a guarantee that he can finish his career in GB. What I have said repeatedly is that this is about Rodgers wanting respect in the form of a commitment. As Dish has so adamantly put it, without an extension he would be gone after this year.
If he is traded, any team in the league would give him that extension. Gutey would be fired in 2 years.
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I think you guys are wrong on Gutey offering a new contract. GB has only offered a re-structure. Aaron is looking for an extension.
This was the initial older story. GB offered a restructure. They found out Aaron was angry about this and wanted an extension when he leaked that he was thinking about not returning.
They then offered him an extension and he refused to sign.
They likely offered the initial restructure to simply find cap room to be active on the free agent market, with the plan of then having more time to do an actual extension.
It really appears that Rodgers is being absurd here.
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Rodgers wants a guaranteed long term contract . Green Bay balking at paying up. These things are always about show me the money.
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Rodgers wants a guaranteed long term contract . Green Bay balking at paying up. These things are always about show me the money.
Well apparently what he really wants is Gutekunst fired. As I mentioned above, as far as the reports say, when it was known he wanted an extension, one was offered. That doesn't really seem to be the source of problems.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/01/report-aaron-rodgers-wants-the-packers-to-fire-g-m-brian-gutekunst/
Also, this article clearly indicates the Rodgers camp wanted more money, in a 2-year contract. So not an extension just more money over the next two years.
It would appear that either there is a lot of wrong information coming out, or Rodgers really just wants out, or he really just wants revenge on Gutekunst, who he feels wronged him.
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Knot sure hoo's got hoo bye da tucas, butt woodant bee shockin' if #12 got his wey, hey?
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Some old news.
A report from NBC Sports Boston -- suggested Brady left because he didn't feel wanted and that he didn't feel like the Patriots were in it for the long haul, which is something the quarterback hinted at in an article that he wrote for the Player's Tribune. It's also believed that Brady was getting frustrated with the fact that the Patriots weren't adding any playmakers on offense even though he was giving them the financial room to make a few moves by signing below-market deals.
Sound familiar?
One other item. I doubt anyone here knows what Aaron was or wasn’t offered - even though we have some very definite posts from several people.
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I think the Packers leaked the “Rodgers wants Gutey fired” stuff because it make him look unreasonable.
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I think the Packers leaked the “Rodgers wants Gutey fired” stuff because it make him look unreasonable.
According to the stories, the source on that item are members of Rodgers's camp.
Looking through all of the supposed "news" now has me convinced that no one knows the true story and much of this is people claiming a source, and the sources themselves being pretty ill-informed.
I'm just going to sit back and watch how all this plays out instead of trying to infer what is actually going on.
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I think the Packers leaked the “Rodgers wants Gutey fired” stuff because it make him look unreasonable.
Maybe, but from an outside perspective (I couldn’t care less about the Packers/NFC North and don’t live in midwest), lots of folks side with Rodgers.
The Brady comparison seems apt. Constantly passing on big offensive prospects, then followed by the decision to trade up for Love. It made absolutely no sense at the time and still doesn’t.
Rodgers should leave GB and he will thrive. Hilarious to watch either way!
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Maybe, but from an outside perspective (I couldn’t care less about the Packers/NFC North and don’t live in midwest), lots of folks side with Rodgers.
The Brady comparison seems apt. Constantly passing on big offensive prospects, then followed by the decision to trade up for Love. It made absolutely no sense at the time and still doesn’t.
Rodgers should leave GB and he will thrive. Hilarious to watch either way!
It makes perfect sense if you believe that Jordan Love is worth that price. And no one knows if he is or not yet.
Furthermore why would they add offensive weapons to one of the top offenses in football? That’s not the reason they have fallen short the last two seasons.
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With all the other stuff going on, I’m convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.
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With all the other stuff going on, I’m convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.
Which a lot of people will cry about but will undoubtably be more convenient for everyone.
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With all the other stuff going on, I’m convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.
That's been talked about since old man Halas was running things. I think it would be a good thing.
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There’s a lot of timing that is coming together to potentially have something happen. If the Bears (or White Sox) don’t pounce on Arlington now, a better/convenient lot of land won’t surface again soon. Logistically it makes too much sense for all involved. I think Chicago will ask for some type of amusement tax tied in to account for the early lease exit. The city will also have a valuable piece of real estate then available on the lakefront. It doesn’t fit with the museum campus, but it’s be an interesting spot for the much maligned downtown casino.
I think the NFL will do the Bears a solid in helping with preferential financing as well. Be interesting to see if this movement happens before Virginia is gone.
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How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn’t be a tough sell to move from there?
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How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn’t be a tough sell to move from there?
I liked the Bears games when they played at Wrigley Field
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How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn’t be a tough sell to move from there?
I think it depends. I think the renovation/expansion ruined some of the historical fondness/cache. I’m a diehard Bears fan since childhood, but since I didn’t grow up in the metro and didn’t start going to games until my 20s. It’s cool that it’s on the lake, but it’s not stunning from the outside, it’s kind of a pain to get to, and the wind off the lake is TERRIBLE in colder months. I personally haven’t, and wouldn’t, buy a ticket to a Bears game past Week 6 or so. A move to Arlington Heights would change a good chunk of that negative.
Also, it likely won’t be maintained by the trash ass Chicago Parks Department so it will be a much better playing surface
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Personally would be devastated if it moved to Arlington Heights. For me though that's more of a born and raised in Chicago proper kind of thing, and hate to see a stadium go to the burbs. It would be the only professional stadium outside city limits. The current location of the stadium is wayyyyyy more convenient for me than trekking out to Arlington Heights.
Not attached to the stadium itself, though I do think the sight lines are quite nice all things considered.
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How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn’t be a tough sell to move from there?
It would be a nice by product of a retractable roof stadium to get rid of the silly notion of “Bear Weather”.
The meatball fans will hate it, the city people that hate the suburbs will be mad, but for the other 90% of Bear fans it would be great. Soldier Field is brutal to get to, the re-design has great sightlines, but there’s no charm that will go missing. There’s a Metra stop already outside Arlington as well.
What will be interesting (to me at least) is if Reinsdorf makes a play for Arlington. It hasn’t been brought up much (that I know of), but the Sox sweetheart lease deal is up in 2029 (4 years before the Bears lease is up). I don’t know who will be owning either team (Bears/Sox) at the end of this decade, but both teams stadium situations bear watching.
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It would be a nice by product of a retractable roof stadium to get rid of the silly notion of “Bear Weather”.
The meatball fans will hate it, the city people that hate the suburbs will be mad, but for the other 90% of Bear fans it would be great. Soldier Field is brutal to get to, the re-design has great sightlines, but there’s no charm that will go missing. There’s a Metra stop already outside Arlington as well.
What will be interesting (to me at least) is if Reinsdorf makes a play for Arlington. It hasn’t been brought up much (that I know of), but the Sox sweetheart lease deal is up in 2029 (4 years before the Bears lease is up). I don’t know who will be owning either team (Bears/Sox) at the end of this decade, but both teams stadium situations bear watching.
Pretty sure your 90% estimation is WAY overshooting the amount of people that would think it would be great.
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I've done client entertaining + events + media production at both Lambeau and Soldier. It's night and day. The Packers visiting locker room is twice as nice as the Bears home locker room. The amenities for sponsors is very much lacking at Soldier. As a team sponsor you want to be able to activate beyond just the sponsor sign. Lambeau offers so much more. It's Green Bay's home 365 days a year. The Bears have Soldier for 10 days a year.
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It would be a nice by product of a retractable roof stadium to get rid of the silly notion of “Bear Weather”.
The meatball fans will hate it, the city people that hate the suburbs will be mad, but for the other 90% of Bear fans it would be great. Soldier Field is brutal to get to, the re-design has great sightlines, but there’s no charm that will go missing. There’s a Metra stop already outside Arlington as well.
What will be interesting (to me at least) is if Reinsdorf makes a play for Arlington. It hasn’t been brought up much (that I know of), but the Sox sweetheart lease deal is up in 2029 (4 years before the Bears lease is up). I don’t know who will be owning either team (Bears/Sox) at the end of this decade, but both teams stadium situations bear watching.
LOL @ only 10% of Bears fans falling into either meatball or city-dwelling buckets. Gonna go with like 60%+ falling into at least one of those categories (with a lot of venn diagram overlap obviously)
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Yea put me into the “suburban-hating city boy” category.
It takes me 15-20 minutes to get to solder field and nearly an hour to get to Arlington Heights and I live on the far north side. That also doesn’t take into account the four block walk I have to the red line.
Also there’s no way Arlington Heights would be more convenient for anybody who lives south of the loop
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Is moving the Bears to the 'burbs something that has been seriously discussed/considered by the owners, or is this just speculation on a message board?
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Pretty sure your 90% estimation is WAY overshooting the amount of people that would think it would be great.
92% of Bears season ticket holders do not live in Chicago proper (at least as of 2018, can’t imagine that percentage has changed greatly).
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I've done client entertaining + events + media production at both Lambeau and Soldier. It's night and day. The Packers visiting locker room is twice as nice as the Bears home locker room. The amenities for sponsors is very much lacking at Soldier. As a team sponsor you want to be able to activate beyond just the sponsor sign. Lambeau offers so much more. It's Green Bay's home 365 days a year. The Bears have Soldier for 10 days a year.
Lambeau is a football temple.
Soldier Field used to be a dump. Now it's just OK.
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Yea put me into the “suburban-hating city boy” category.
It takes me 15-20 minutes to get to solder field and nearly an hour to get to Arlington Heights and I live on the far north side. That also doesn’t take into account the four block walk I have to the red line.
Also there’s no way Arlington Heights would be more convenient for anybody who lives south of the loop
How does it only take you 15 min to get to Soldier Field? I lived literally across the street from the Red Line in Old Town and it was 30 min+. Soldier Field is literally nowhere near any public transit.
The only people from the North Side, aka North of the River, that can get to Soldier Field in 15 min are those who are less than 5 min (once they get in the car) from Lake Shore Drive. Certainly not any public transit
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LOL @ only 10% of Bears fans falling into either meatball or city-dwelling buckets. Gonna go with like 60%+ falling into at least one of those categories (with a lot of venn diagram overlap obviously)
I was referring to what I know/knew of the season ticket holder base (from a few years ago). Yes, there are way more meatball fans and city dwelling fans (and they cross over).
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How does it only take you 15 min to get to Soldier Field? I lived literally across the street from the Red Line in Old Town and it was 30 min+. Soldier Field is literally nowhere near any public transit.
The only people from the North Side, aka North of the River, that can get to Soldier Field in 15 min are those who are less than 5 min (once they get in the car) from Lake Shore Drive. Certainly not any public transit
My apologies. I meant driving distance is 15 minutes. I am one of those few who live less than 5 minutes from a LSD ramp.
(Not that I would ever pay for parking, I do quite enjoy the walk under the drive to the stadium)
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Yea put me into the “suburban-hating city boy” category.
It takes me 15-20 minutes to get to solder field and nearly an hour to get to Arlington Heights and I live on the far north side. That also doesn’t take into account the four block walk I have to the red line.
Also there’s no way Arlington Heights would be more convenient for anybody who lives south of the loop
There is a Metra station at Arlington Park. Taking the train to a station literally a few hundred yards from the front gate would be pretty convenient.
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There is a Metra station at Arlington Park. Taking the train to a station literally a few hundred yards from the front gate would be pretty convenient.
Line doesn’t connect for me. Have to go into the city to get back out of the city.
Admittedly though, The northwest burbs are far and away the least convenient place for me to get to. I get the sentiment, but selfishly it is the WORST commute from where I am.
I’m far enough away from I-90 to where it doesn’t make sense to go out of my way to get on the highway, metro lines don’t connect, so I end up having to take northwest highway/Rand or 94 to Willow all the way up there.
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The Bears are cutting Charles Leno and making Teven Jenkins their LT.
So, they drafted a guy who played RT the great majority of his college career and are going to immediately pencil him on the left side before even seeing him in rookie or mini camp.
RIP Andy Dalton.
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Line doesn’t connect for me. Have to go into the city to get back out of the city.
If you're up on the north side, it can't be that hard to get to Jefferson Park or Irving Park.
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The Bears are cutting Charles Leno and making Teven Jenkins their LT.
So, they drafted a guy who played RT the great majority of his college career and are going to immediately pencil him on the left side before even seeing him in rookie or mini camp.
RIP Andy Dalton.
Not defending Pace, cause he hasnt done much to deserve it, but he was quoted as saying they see Jenkins potential as an LT right after they drafted him on Saturday.
They desperately need the cap space, so I get it, but man they just cycle through OLs
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I mentioned it in a previous post, but should expand on it here too. Don't underestimate the political play here, as the Bears moving to Arlington Heights would have an enormous domino effect. I personally believe that if the city is still hellbent on a downtown casino (I'm fairly confident they are), the Bears moving should open up perhaps the most ideal spot for this casino location.
I'm not a real estate expert or lawyer, but I would think the city would still own the land at Soldier Field, and then build a casino and lease it out to whomever (?). There's more intelligent people that can speak to this than I can. My point being that coveted land in Chicago is expensive and tough to come by, and the city would already be able to lay claim here.
Parking structures are already in place, and of course, it's close enough to McCormick Place, which seems to be a major point for the city.
I don't know who would pay for the new Bears stadium (that's the billion(s) dollar question), but losing the Bears may be good financially for the city (?).
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The Bears are cutting Charles Leno and making Teven Jenkins their LT.
So, they drafted a guy who played RT the great majority of his college career and are going to immediately pencil him on the left side before even seeing him in rookie or mini camp.
RIP Andy Dalton.
Not a fan of this and surprised Leno was cut instead of Graham, despite Graham being effective in the red zone last year.
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Is moving the Bears to the 'burbs something that has been seriously discussed/considered by the owners, or is this just speculation on a message board?
There was talk of them moving to the suburbs prior to the renovation of Soldier Field in 2001. The McCaskeys signed an agreement to move the Bears to Gary, Indiana back in the mid 1990s before their last lease at Soldier Field expired in 1999. The deal for Lake County, IN to build them a stadium fell through, and now we're stuck with the tiny atrocity on the lakeshore where the Bears play now.
The Bears have never owned the building they play in. The Bears aren't owned by a family like the Ricketts or Reinsdorfs. Unlike them, the McCaskey family has no independent wealth or business interests beyond the Bears. I cannot imagine them being willing to expand their costs enough to accommodate building and maintaining their own stadium. They would probably have to liquidate a significant portion of their ownership stake in the team to raise the cash to build, and I am fairly certain they would never do that.
The Bears and White Sox had their current stadiums built for them by the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority. I seriously doubt the ISFA will have the appetite to build the Bears another stadium, especially when they already own the building the Bears currently play in and are more than $450 million in debt from building Comiskey Park and Soldier Field. Illinois also happens to have the worst fiscal situation out of all 50 states, and it is not getting better any time soon...so public financing is probably out of the question as well.
So unless Ken Griffin or the Pritzker family would be willing to spend a billion dollars to build and operate a stadium for the Bears without the McCaskeys having to sell them a significant ownership stake in the team, I believe they'll be in 61,000 seat Soldier Field until the place falls apart.
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There was talk of them moving to the suburbs prior to the renovation of Soldier Field in 2001. The McCaskeys signed an agreement to move the Bears to Gary, Indiana back in the mid 1990s before their last lease at Soldier Field expired in 1999. The deal for Lake County, IN to build them a stadium fell through, and now we're stuck with the tiny atrocity on the lakeshore where the Bears play now.
The Bears have never owned the building they play in. The Bears aren't owned by a family like the Ricketts or Reinsdorfs. Unlike them, the McCaskey family has no independent wealth or business interests beyond the Bears. I cannot imagine them being willing to expand their costs enough to accommodate building and maintaining their own stadium. They would probably have to liquidate a significant portion of their ownership stake in the team to raise the cash to build, and I am fairly certain they would never do that.
The Bears and White Sox had their current stadiums built for them by the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority. I seriously doubt the ISFA will have the appetite to build the Bears another stadium, especially when they already own the building the Bears currently play in and are more than $450 million in debt from building Comiskey Park and Soldier Field. Illinois also happens to have the worst fiscal situation out of all 50 states, and it is not getting better any time soon...so public financing is probably out of the question as well.
So unless Ken Griffin or the Pritzker family would be willing to spend a billion dollars to build and operate a stadium for the Bears without the McCaskeys having to sell them a significant ownership stake in the team, I believe they'll be in 61,000 seat Soldier Field until the place falls apart.
Thanks for the info
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Not defending Pace, cause he hasnt done much to deserve it, but he was quoted as saying they see Jenkins potential as an LT right after they drafted him on Saturday.
They desperately need the cap space, so I get it, but man they just cycle through OLs
I get that. I'm just saying it's a big risk to stick a second-round pick at LT from day one, much less one who spent most of his college career on the right side. Especially when you haven't even seen the kid in camp. It's one thing for a rookie to come in and earn the job by beating out a veteran, but handing it over without a hint of competition seems odd.
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Panthers are all-in on Sam Darnold.
Not only did they pass on Fields and Jones in the draft, but they picked up Darnold's $18.9 million option for the 2022 season.
They also drafted several skill-position players to make plays for him, and a couple of offensive linemen to block for him.
According to The Athletic, the Panthers are betting that a change of scenery and the Joe Brady offense will help Darnold enjoy a career resurgence. “We brought Sam here because we believe he can win for us,” Rhule said. “When we look at him over his last three years, we see a guy with tons of potential. We see a guy that we think in our situation, in our offense is gonna do really good things.”
I hope like heck they're right.
The Panthers did sign Northwestern QB Peyton Ramsey as an undrafted free agent to compete for the backup job.
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According to The Athletic, the Panthers are betting that a change of scenery and the Joe Brady offense will help Darnold enjoy a career resurgence. “We brought Sam here because we believe he can win for us,” Rhule said. “When we look at him over his last three years, we see a guy with tons of potential. We see a guy that we think in our situation, in our offense is gonna do really good things.”
How do you enjoy a resurgence when you haven't even surged yet?
But, I thought Darnold was better than he looked when playing for the Jets. Hope it works out.
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How do you enjoy a resurgence when you haven't even surged yet?
But, I thought Darnold was better than he looked when playing for the Jets. Hope it works out.
Great point on "resurgence." It's one of those overused, meaningless words, like "consistent."
Lots of athletes who are bad at what they do actually are VERY consistent. Consistently bad. I think Darnold was one of them with the Jets! Hoping the change of scenery makes a difference.
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Time to start the 21-22 thread.
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Panthers are all-in on Sam Darnold.
Not only did they pass on Fields and Jones in the draft, but they picked up Darnold's $18.9 million option for the 2022 season.
They also drafted several skill-position players to make plays for him, and a couple of offensive linemen to block for him.
According to The Athletic, the Panthers are betting that a change of scenery and the Joe Brady offense will help Darnold enjoy a career resurgence. “We brought Sam here because we believe he can win for us,” Rhule said. “When we look at him over his last three years, we see a guy with tons of potential. We see a guy that we think in our situation, in our offense is gonna do really good things.”
I hope like heck they're right.
The Panthers did sign Northwestern QB Peyton Ramsey as an undrafted free agent to compete for the backup job.
How good he ultimately is definitely remains to be seen. But I think we will see massive improvement in a new spot from him.
Jets handled that terribly. And will be funny if Wilson ends up a bust.
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How good he ultimately is definitely remains to be seen. But I think we will see massive improvement in a new spot from him.
Jets handled that terribly. And will be funny if Wilson ends up a bust.
I'd be chuckling. And I'd really be laughing if Darnold goes on to realize the potential that made him a high draft pick a few years ago.
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Contract timing aside, I'd rather have Darnold than Mac Jones straight up. So I think Carolina took a nice flyer on Darnold.
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How good he ultimately is definitely remains to be seen. But I think we will see massive improvement in a new spot from him.
Jets handled that terribly. And will be funny if Wilson ends up a bust.
I'm trying to think of an "aspirational comparison" for Darnold to shoot for.
He's made 38 starts. His career QB rating is 78.6. In 2020, he was dead last in passer rating among quarterbacks with enough attempts to qualify.
Of course it depends on your definition of "massive improvement," but I'm kind of thinking that this type of improvement from a player that has played that much is incredibly rare.
Maybe Rich Gannon? IDK...
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I'm trying to think of an "aspirational comparison" for Darnold to shoot for.
He's made 38 starts. His career QB rating is 78.6. In 2020, he was dead last in passer rating among quarterbacks with enough attempts to qualify.
Of course it depends on your definition of "massive improvement," but I'm kind of thinking that this type of improvement from a player that has played that much is incredibly rare.
Maybe Rich Gannon? IDK...
I'd be interested in the stats for all of Adam Gase's QBs.
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I'm trying to think of an "aspirational comparison" for Darnold to shoot for.
He's made 38 starts. His career QB rating is 78.6. In 2020, he was dead last in passer rating among quarterbacks with enough attempts to qualify.
Of course it depends on your definition of "massive improvement," but I'm kind of thinking that this type of improvement from a player that has played that much is incredibly rare.
Maybe Rich Gannon? IDK...
Alex Smith. He made 50 starts and had a significant injury before starting to put it together with Harbaugh in his 7th season and then becoming a Pro Bowler.
Then I mean, to a lesser extent, Tannehill was pretty awful his first 2 years in Miami, got a new OC and became much more serviceable, borderline pretty good, before his injury. That’s not even including his time in Tennessee
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I'm trying to think of an "aspirational comparison" for Darnold to shoot for.
He's made 38 starts. His career QB rating is 78.6. In 2020, he was dead last in passer rating among quarterbacks with enough attempts to qualify.
Of course it depends on your definition of "massive improvement," but I'm kind of thinking that this type of improvement from a player that has played that much is incredibly rare.
Maybe Rich Gannon? IDK...
Brees didn't get it figured out in San Diego until year 4. 11 less starts thru year 3 but some similarities.
Darnold:
Year 1: 13 starts, 77.6 rating
Year 2 + 3: 25 games started, 28TD, 24 Int, 79.1 Rating
Year 3: Rating of 72.7. 35 of 35 QBs w/ enough attempts
Overall QB rating years 1 thru 3: 78.6
Brees:
Year 1: only 27 attempts (backup to Flutie)
Year 2 + 3: 27 games started; 28TD, 31 Int, 73.1 Rating
Year 3: Rating of 67.5. 28 of 32 QBs w/ enough attempts
Overall QB rating years 1 thru 3: 73.7
Aside: just glanced at Gannon's stats. He was 34 (!) before he threw more than 16TDs in a season and threw more after age 34 than before.
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Brees didn't get it figured out in San Diego until year 4. 11 less starts thru year 3 but some similarities.
Darnold:
Year 1: 13 starts, 77.6 rating
Year 2 + 3: 25 games started, 28TD, 24 Int, 79.1 Rating
Year 3: Rating of 72.7. 35 of 35 QBs w/ enough attempts
Overall QB rating years 1 thru 3: 78.6
Brees:
Year 1: only 27 attempts (backup to Flutie)
Year 2 + 3: 27 games started; 28TD, 31 Int, 73.1 Rating
Year 3: Rating of 67.5. 28 of 32 QBs w/ enough attempts
Overall QB rating years 1 thru 3: 73.7
OK. That's decent. I doubt that Darnold will be an all pro in year four but one can dream...
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OK. That's decent. I doubt that Darnold will be an all pro in year four but one can dream...
Agree. More likely Jeff George or Rick Mirer (two guys I felt were always purported to be on the verge of greatness) than Brees.
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I believe Matt Campbell will get the Lions job.
Reported that Matt Campbell was indeed the Lions first choice, and he turned down an 8 yr/$68.5 mil contract.
I don’t have as many friends in the NFL as I used to, but had heard mid season last year if the Lions fired Patricia, their first choice was going to be Matt Campbell.
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Julio Jones to the Titans for a 2nd rounder next year, and the teams swap 4th and 6th round selections in ‘23, Falcons getting the 4th.
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Pretty good deal if you’re the Titans.
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Falcons not paying any of the $15.3 mil due to Julio is a huge win.
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Falcons not paying any of the $15.3 mil due to Julio is a huge win.
Yeah, Julio takes up way too much cap space for a receiver IMO.
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Julio’s injury history, age, and contract were gonna prevent the Falcons from getting any massive haul. But if he can stay healthy for a couple years, what a steal for the Titans. Brown, Julio, and Henry is a pretty gnarly 3 headed monster of skill positions.
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Julio’s injury history, age, and contract were gonna prevent the Falcons from getting any massive haul. But if he can stay healthy for a couple years, what a steal for the Titans. Brown, Julio, and Henry is a pretty gnarly 3 headed monster of skill positions.
Agree. Even if you get one typical Julio Jones season and one decent one, this was a great deal for the Titans.
And as a Panthers fan, I am thrilled to get him out of the division.
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Aaron holding out.
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Aaron holding out.
Raised my nervousness a bit, but not overly concerned yet. The money won’t really impact him, so it’s an easy way to make a statement. That’s if the Packers even fine him. If he starts missing Training Camp, then I’ll be really worried.
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I'm not worried. Because I have come to the conclusion awhile ago that Rodgers is done in GB. IMO, he will sit out this year and be traded in the off-season.
At best, he will play one more year under an agreement with the organization that he be traded to a list of agreed upon teams in the off-season.
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Adios and next man up, hey?
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Adios and next man up, hey?
Love says he is ready.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/09/jordan-love-a-hundred-percent-ready-to-start-if-aaron-rodgers-stays-away/
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Love says he is ready.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/09/jordan-love-a-hundred-percent-ready-to-start-if-aaron-rodgers-stays-away/
Heck, I’m ready, too.
I would suck and my guess is that Love will too, if he has to play. I will root for him, but I don’t expect much.
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Comments from Vander on Rodgers Imbroglio
https://twitter.com/veezy_SQ/status/1402396682608791554
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Murphy having some fun
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-president-on-aaron-rodgers-hes-a-complicated-fella-as-ted-thompson-used-to-say/
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Murphy having some fun
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-president-on-aaron-rodgers-hes-a-complicated-fella-as-ted-thompson-used-to-say/
My emerging theory is that they know this isn’t going to work out, so want him to sit out the year and they’ll trade him next year.
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Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
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Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
The Packers benefit from not having him count against the cap in any way this year, which they would even with a trade. Furthermore the Packers will be trading him for picks in next year's draft. The thought is you can get a much better deal after the season is over when you know exactly who will be in the market for a quarterback, and where those picks actually are. For instance, if you trade him to the Raiders today, a case could be made that their #1 pick will be anywhere from #8 to #20.
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Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
My logical self says yup you are correct. My vindicative self says make his ass squirm and make him sit out.
I dont think there will be much difference in compensation after the season and they will know who holds the best draft picks. The problem to me is the distraction. I really cant see Rodgers sitting out. He will try to come back at some point, in which case Gutey should use the old, train has left the station, line and sit Rodgers on the bench. It wouldn't happen, but I would love to see that especially if Love looks the part.
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The compromise that Peter King posted is that he comes back this year with a promise to trade him to an agreed upon list of teams in the off-season.
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The compromise that Peter King posted is that he comes back this year with a promise to trade him to an agreed upon list of teams in the off-season.
Bad idea
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James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he’ll be at training camp. That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I’m not going with what I want to hear and believe either.
It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he’s one of the highest paid players in the league. Real easy during June OTA’s. Let’s see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren’t coming in. He’ll probably take this into training camp and report finally.
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Bad idea
Yes it is. Par for the course for King though.
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Bad idea
I tend to agree.
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James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he’ll be at training camp. That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I’m not going with what I want to hear and believe either.
It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he’s one of the highest paid players in the league. Real easy during June OTA’s. Let’s see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren’t coming in. He’ll probably take this into training camp and report finally.
That's my guess too. They will announce some bs agreement so everyone saves face and go on from there.
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I tend to agree.
I guess I get it on the surface, but something like that wont work on different levels
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That's my guess too. They will announce some bs agreement so everyone saves face and go on from there.
IMO at best Rodgers has one more year in a Packer uniform. I think the Packers are going to sell reasonably high.
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Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
One of my old stock market friends, a guy named Doug Kass, always told me "Never be ashamed to ring the register"
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James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he’ll be at training camp. That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I’m not going with what I want to hear and believe either.
It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he’s one of the highest paid players in the league. Real easy during June OTA’s. Let’s see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren’t coming in. He’ll probably take this into training camp and report finally.
You make a great point. When someone from A. A. Ron’s inner circle speaks, it carries almost the same weight as when Rodgers speaks. These guys have Rodgers’ trust and they aren’t going to jeopardize that by speaking out of turn.
I haven’t seen Jones’ remarks, but if he said Rodgers will be at TC, I’d bank on it.
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The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They’d have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.
Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.
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The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They’d have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.
Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.
The Lions effectively used this tactic by trading Matt Stafford before the draft. Seem to have gotten a good deal potentially very good if Jarrod Goff turns out to be a quality starter.
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The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They’d have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.
Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.
It not only wasn’t ideal to trade him during the draft, it would have been insane to do it then or anytime pre June 2 - an almost 40 million salary cap hit and dead money the rest of the league year.
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It not only wasn’t ideal to trade him during the draft, it would have been insane to do it then or anytime pre June 2 - an almost 40 million salary cap hit and dead money the rest of the league year.
Right. But absent that dish is right. But it is completely understandable why they don’t trade him now versus after the season.
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12 is playing both sides of the fence. His agent is leaking to the media and he’s leaking to his friends (Jones, Kuhn). He is many things but stupid isn’t one of them. By having Jones “speak” for him, he can have his agent do the dirty work in spilling to the media his desire to get out and pressure the Packers. That isn’t working at the moment so he can still save face and show up at some point and say something along the lines of “fake news” and half the fan base will eat it up since they blame the media when they clog their toilets. He wants out. It’s isn’t working so far and he’s covering all angles.
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12 is playing both sides of the fence. His agent is leaking to the media and he’s leaking to his friends (Jones, Kuhn). He is many things but stupid isn’t one of them. By having Jones “speak” for him, he can have his agent do the dirty work in spilling to the media his desire to get out and pressure the Packers. That isn’t working at the moment so he can still save face and show up at some point and say something along the lines of “fake news” and half the fan base will eat it up since they blame the media when they clog their toilets. He wants out. It’s isn’t working so far and he’s covering all angles.
Spoken like a member of the Scoop media. You're the reason Rodgers is leaving. Or not leaving.
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No laughing matter: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix has tried out for the Panthers.
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Just a smoe, aina?
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Just a smoe, aina?
If Khris Middleton is "just a smoe" for the Bucks, then Ha Ha is nowhere close to being "not even worthy of smoe status," nu?
Oh, and BTW, the word is "schmoe."
As in: "Only a schmoe would try to act clever by using another language without knowing how to spell the words he uses."
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If Khris Middleton is "just a smoe" for the Bucks, then Ha Ha is nowhere close to being "not even worthy of smoe status," nu?
Oh, and BTW, the word is "schmoe."
As in: "Only a schmoe would try to act clever by using another language without knowing how to spell the words he uses."
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Hey Bears fans ...
(https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)
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With all the other stuff going on, I’m convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.
Yup...
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The Chicago vs Suburbs Civil War is at Gettysburg level already, and this news just broke like 45 minutes ago.
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The Chicago vs Suburbs Civil War is at Gettysburg level already, and this news just broke like 45 minutes ago.
I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.
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I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.
Leverage
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I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.
This deal would significantly increase the value of the team when selling.
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This deal would significantly increase the value of the team when selling.
Depends on the deal.
Rumor is Pat Ryan and Andy McKenna - who together own about 20% of the team - are driving the bus on this, and it may be part of a larger effort to get a controlling stake from the McCaskeys. While the McCaskeys don't have the wealth/wherewithal to make a stadium happen, Ryan does.
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Couple of things I find interesting (may only be interesting to me)...
-This was not a Friday news dump, this was very public news (on purpose)
-The rumor has been out there, but the formal statement didn't get leaked, the Bears put it out there
-They probably could have formed some type of shell company to keep their identity unknown and put a bid in on the land (I honestly don't think the family is sly enough to have pulled that off anyway)
-There's zero chance that George didn't run this past the NFL league office first...
-...is an AFC team (current or expansion) going to jump in here for some type of 50/50 split?
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Depends on the deal.
Rumor is Pat Ryan and Andy McKenna - who together own about 20% of the team - are driving the bus on this, and it may be part of a larger effort to get a controlling stake from the McCaskeys. While the McCaskeys don't have the wealth/wherewithal to make a stadium happen, Ryan does.
I find it kind of hilarious that the McCaskey's sale of the Bears hinging on the presumed passing of a 98 year old Virginia McCaskey and the power players and money behind anything new are an 84 year old Pat Ryan and a 91 year old Andy McKenna.
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Wherever the Bears end up, I'm positive there will be a TON of corruption and bribery surrounding the whole thing because Chi/IL politics.
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I find it kind of hilarious that the McCaskey's sale of the Bears hinging on the presumed passing of a 98 year old Virginia McCaskey and the power players and money behind anything new are an 84 year old Pat Ryan and a 91 year old Andy McKenna.
It's the Bears. ::)
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Hopefully this comment doesn't come back to haunt me, but ...
Panthers top draft pick Jaycee Horn is getting rave reviews, being compared to Jalen Ramsey for his coverage skills, size and closing ability.
My team so desperately needs a great (or even good) CB ... fingers crossed!
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So apparently Cole Beasley is an idiot.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html
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So apparently Cole Beasley is an idiot.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html
"Forced into retirement" ... what a dope.
He wouldn't be missed.
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So apparently Cole Beasley is an idiot.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/19/aaron-rodgers-renews-his-membership-at-the-green-bay-country-club/
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So apparently Cole Beasley is an idiot.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html
Also Josh Allen and numerous others.
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Raiders DE Carl Nassib came out as gay today. He's the first active NFL player to come out.
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Raiders DE Carl Nassib came out as gay today. He's the first active NFL player to come out.
It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.
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It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.
Well, a few Scoopers might react like this, but we'll see.
This took a tremendous amount of courage on Nassib's part, and it was nice to see both the NFL and the Raiders immediately give him public support:
From the NYT:
In a statement Monday, Comissioner Roger Goodell said he was “proud of Carl for courageously sharing his truth today. Representation matters. We share his hope that someday soon statements like his will no longer be newsworthy as we march toward full equality for the LGBTQ+ community. We wish Carl the best of luck this coming season.”
The Raiders quickly showed their support for Nassib’s announcement, writing “proud of you, Carl” in a post to the team’s Twitter account that also included his original statement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/21/sports/football/carl-nassib-gay-nfl.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210621&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline®i_id=108420427&segment_id=61329&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
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Think it's hugely important that players in the Raiders locker room come out in vocal support. This is where the change really happens. Important to have the NFL and organization behind him, but the players and NFLPA will have the most pivotal role
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It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.
I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it’s still a pretty big deal. We’ll all celebrate when it’s a non story.
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I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it’s still a pretty big deal. We’ll all celebrate when it’s a non story.
I was referring to my own reaction, Lenny. I understand the media is gonna make a bigger deal out of it because it is a "first". Hopefully, the next time a guy (or a woman) comes out, it will be a ho-hum reaction.
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I was referring to my own reaction, Lenny. I understand the media is gonna make a bigger deal out of it because it is a "first". Hopefully, the next time a guy (or a woman) comes out, it will be a ho-hum reaction.
See I actually think the media making a big deal out of it is important and necessary. Cause as mentioned above, it took a massive amount of courage and confidence to be the forerunner. Nassib himself even said in his statement, “hopefully we get to a place where announcements like this are unnecessary”. But until we do, and until there are a number of similar stories across the NFL, much less the rest of pro sports, drawing positive media attention and praise is important IMO.
It’s only notable because, with demographic statistics alone, we know there are tens more like him, if not likely over 100. But it’s taken so long for one to speak out.
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See I actually think the media making a big deal out of it is important and necessary. Cause as mentioned above, it took a massive amount of courage and confidence to be the forerunner. Nassib himself even said in his statement, “hopefully we get to a place where announcements like this are unnecessary”. But until we do, and until there are a number of similar stories across the NFL, much less the rest of pro sports, drawing positive media attention and praise is important IMO.
It’s only notable because, with demographic statistics alone, we know there are tens more like him, if not likely over 100. But it’s taken so long for one to speak out.
I certainly don’t disagree with you, Wags.
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I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it’s still a pretty big deal. We’ll all celebrate when it’s a non story.
yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.
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yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.
You can be our resident expert on The View.
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yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.
do you expect anybody to come to her defense? i have never seen her for 3 seconds.
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So apparently Cole Beasley is an idiot.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html
It is known.
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Stafford out of Detroit is going to be a revelation.
Bump
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Bump
Stanford had the arm skills . Now he has a coach , multiple threats and an elite pass rusher .
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I’ve said for years he’s been underrated.
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I am glad he is getting a chance with a good coach, a complete team, and a functional, competent organization. He has earned it.
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Goff starts next year in Detroit unless they ship him out for more picks. Pencil the Rams in for the NFC championship game.
New Lions GM came from the Rams.
Bump. 51 weeks ago.
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Matthew Stafford now has more playoff wins than the Detroit Lions franchise in the Super Bowl era.
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Matthew Stafford now has more playoff wins than the Detroit Lions franchise in the Super Bowl era.
I am not a huge Stafford fan, buy yeah, he should have won that game easily if the rest of the team wasn't so intent on self-immolating.
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I am glad he is getting a chance with a good coach, a complete team, and a functional, competent organization. He has earned it.
so he's doing basically what Goff did, but with an even better team than the one Goff took to the Super Bowl.
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so he's doing basically what Goff did, but with an even better team than the one Goff took to the Super Bowl.
I don't think there's much chance that Goff makes that pass to Kupp at the end of that game.
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Stafford gives the Rams a shot at the Super Bowl.
Yep