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Title: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 13, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
Nothing to say. Just starting the new season’s topic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 12:36:21 PM
Same ole Mitch
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 12:47:53 PM
What’s the point of drafting Dillon if you’re not going to use him at the 1 yard line.

One game in but looks like the Jordan Love pick lit a fire under Rodgers’ @$$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 13, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
I think it’s more the second year in this system.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 02:56:31 PM
Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.

Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
Pack kicked some a$$ today, impressive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
Lions doing Lions things.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 03:20:04 PM
Lions doing Lions things.
Maaaan Deandre Swift
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 03:33:20 PM
Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.

Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.

I stand by this
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 03:46:33 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 03:53:42 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle outthinking himself.
.

Occam’s Razor.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 13, 2020, 05:46:11 PM
The MVP of the Chicago Bears today was the Detroit Lions receiver who dropped a sure touchdown with five seconds left in the game.

I mean, you had good Mitch and Bad Mitch on display for the world to see today. Good Mitch in the fourth quarter is why Trubisky started over Foles. Bad Mitch in the first three quarters, along with the Bears’ inability to score meaningfully from the Red Zone was why the Lions almost snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Someone needs to tell both of these teams you gotta play 60 to win. The Bears got lucky but against Green Bay or New Orleans, they’ll get carved up like a prime rib on Saturday night.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
Not sure if it was just sound mixing but us bank stadium was by far the quietest stadium today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 05:54:03 PM
Packers need to work on their 'we're up three scores with 3:19 to go' defense. Other than that....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.

Ugh.

It was even worse than it seems because they actually had used the FB to convert a 4th down earlier in the game -- the same exact play -- so it's hard to expect that it would have fooled the D. And the earlier play had only gotten the first down by a few inches, so it's not like it was a great success.

This was a rookie NFL coach and coordinator overthinking things.

The Panthers have what look like some good young players, but it's gonna be a looooong season here.

It was an entertaining game, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Bengals with tough loss. Burrow had some rookie mistakes, but he also looked really good. I’m still all in on him as a future elite NFL QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 13, 2020, 07:31:01 PM
Derrick Henry's suit:

https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1305296581302902784?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 13, 2020, 08:16:00 PM
Minnesotan here.  I kinda forgot the Vikings/Packers game was on today and missed it. 

Reading the results, it's clear the team should start thinking about draft position, since there's nothing else meaningful to hope for.

MN's best path is to fake a COVID outbreak and end the season early. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 13, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.


The fake fan noise at sporting events is annoying. Kind of like the canned laughter on the old sitcoms.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2020, 11:28:42 PM
Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.

You got that right!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2020, 05:55:24 AM
Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 07:52:35 AM
Like most others, I wasn't a fan of the fake noise. But I did get a kick out of the fake booing when the refs made a call that went against the Panthers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 14, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.


You may have hit on something there. The time of possession was ridiculously in favor of the Packers (nearly 42 min to 18 min), so not many chances for the fake Vikings fans to cheer.

That said, I do wonder why the huge number of fake Packers fans who always fill US Bank Stadium weren't cheering more.  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 14, 2020, 09:35:54 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 14, 2020, 09:54:02 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.


It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game.  I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 14, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.

Actually, isn’t that a change for McCarthy? I thought he typically went for FGs instead of being more aggressive in the red zone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 14, 2020, 10:05:07 AM

It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game.  I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.

My bad. Was going from memory, for some reason I had 5:00 min on my mind. At 12 minutes it isn't terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 10:11:54 AM
Lions doing Lions things.
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 14, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.

Ha, I did the exact same thing.

Rookie RB trying to catch a game winning pass. He started to turn around to see where he was before he caught the pass. All he needed to do was keep his eye on the ball and he would have landed in the end zone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.

Ditto.

I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Multiple Freak season ending injuries in week 1 is also a very Mike McCarthy thing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on September 14, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
Ditto.

I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"

The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.

The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
Didn't see the game.  I have seen the replays.  Same old, same old.   Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 14, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.

The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.

I had the same thought.

It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.

Lions should trademark these ways to lose.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Didn't see the game.  I have seen the replays.  Same old, same old.   Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.

Don't sell your lads short, tower. This was an even crazier meltdown than their typical same old, same old!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
I had the same thought.

It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.

Lions should trademark these ways to lose.

How do you trademark infinity?   It isn't that they lose.    They will.    No one ever went broke betting against the Lions.    It is the infinite variety.    If a single loss like this happened to...   the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars.    In Detroit, it is just week 1.      Something like this happens at least once every year.     Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta.    It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends.    The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired.    Calvin Johnson not finishing the process.    The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.     

Ya gotta embrace the stink.    Not take it personally.    Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose.    Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 12:46:44 PM
Tower, were you originally from Michigan?
If so, what city?
Just curious.  Worked and lived in Southfield and my mother was from Gaylord.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
I have lived in Michigan since 1971.    West side of the state.   I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 14, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
How do you trademark infinity?   It isn't that they lose.    They will.    No one ever went broke betting against the Lions.    It is the infinite variety.    If a single loss like this happened to...   the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars.    In Detroit, it is just week 1.      Something like this happens at least once every year.     Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta.    It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends.    The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired.    Calvin Johnson not finishing the process.    The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.     

Ya gotta embrace the stink.    Not take it personally.    Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose.    Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.

I lived through being a Packer fan in the 80s, but the Lions do take it to a whole new level.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 02:11:36 PM
They should change their name to either the Washington Generals or the Wile E. Coyotes.

Beep beep
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 04:04:53 PM
I have lived in Michigan since 1971.    West side of the state.   I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
Growing up, summer vacations were taking the C&O ferry from Milwaukee to Ludington and then the drive to Gaylord.
Good memories.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
Lions doing Lions things.

so this means everything is back to normal in the world for 2020, right?

My co-workers 18-year-old kid was texting me ribbing me about the game (Seahawks fan). During his lifetime I've seen the same number of Lions playoff wins as he has  - zero.

Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 14, 2020, 04:55:40 PM

Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.


‘Let’s throw it to the sure-handed kid….’
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.

Joff Okudah, the #3 pick in the draft, didn't play because he "wasn't ready" (the injury is an excuse) but a 5th rounder started.

Throw-it for Trevor? Losing for Lawrence? What's going to be the mantra this year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 14, 2020, 08:13:49 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.

They probably could use a guy like Darius Slay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
Okudah has a hammy.   Slay was too tired of losing to stay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 12:56:03 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 15, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything

82 can relate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 15, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything

McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.

I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 15, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 10:20:23 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.

McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.

I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.

Agree fully with both of you. Spiegel was clearly the better of the two IMO, so him being booted and Parkins essentially being promoted was baffling. I really liked Goff. I don’t think he played as well with the older white dude demo of the Score, but I thought he was really refreshing and he and Bernstein actually had some great moments. I thought he actually did a good job of pulling Bernstein out of crotchety old man mode and making him truly funny at times.

I’ve talked about it before, but Parkins and McNeil LOVE not knowing stuff and thinking it’s hilarious. Both live in their little bubbles and can’t speak outside it. Last time the Bears were in London, they had a whole 20-30 min discussion how it was probably hard for the Bears to find “normal” stuff to eat, and how bad British food was. And it wasn’t a gag, they were serious. Parkins with his “I did 5 days in Europe when I was 23” know it all schtick and McNeil being xenophobic as usual. It was awful, as their show normally is.

Can McNeil and send Parkins back to some smaller market where he belongs
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 15, 2020, 10:26:53 AM
Kickers:

https://twitter.com/joshdubowap/status/1305889187921448961
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 15, 2020, 10:43:54 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.

Still listen to Bernstein. Way too pompous, but lots of good takes. But, McNeil is absolutely the worst. Never has a decent take on anything and his fishing stories are just as bad as everyone else’s fishing stories.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 15, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 15, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.

I miss lawrholmes in the evenings.  Never get to catch his show in the car during the day.  He needs a bigger show, he's earned it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 15, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
McNeil has been fired.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 15, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
McNeil has been fired.

Ben Koo
@bkoo
This is to be expected when you’ve made a career out of looking for cheap yucks from an audience whose main advertisers are divorce and bankruptcy attorneys as well as erectile dysfunction solutions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 03:55:19 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 15, 2020, 04:24:13 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Packers will trade a young QB for him to improve the Bears starting lineup.

We'll miss you, Tim
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 04:57:51 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”

This organization is such a mess
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 15, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
McNeil has been fired.

We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.

He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 06:00:22 PM
Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”

This organization is such a mess

Seems like the PERFECT time to trade Arob and Mack.

Go in next year with a rebuild.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Update: no trade request

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1305998965620518914?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 16, 2020, 08:57:01 AM
We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.

He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.

Probably not crazy to think there was a healthy helping of the latter and this gave them a convenient excuse to move on
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 18, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 18, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice


Good for him.

Wonder how many UGa fans will stop cheering for him now....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 18, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
TNF ratings last night better than last year's week two game.
Obviously viewers love when players make statements on social issues (because that's what controls ratings, I'm told).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 19, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice

I’m a big fan of Stafford. Think if he played with a competent line throughout his career he’d be recognized as a top QB in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 19, 2020, 06:44:24 PM
Competent line.   Competent defense, competent organization.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 19, 2020, 07:56:34 PM
Competent line.   Competent defense, competent organization.

Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 19, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.

IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there.  Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 19, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there.  Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?

Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 20, 2020, 01:58:52 PM
Turns out the Viqueens just suck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
I think the Vikes should sign Cousins to a lifetime contract.

His QBR today was 15.9.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on September 20, 2020, 07:21:34 PM
Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
Fair comp.  Archie spent a lot of his career running for his life, too.   Only guy on the team you had to game plan for.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 07:35:15 PM
Patricia and Quinn officially on the hot seat.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.


Yep. Whenever I think of a quarterback with great stats and few wins to show for it, Archie comes to mind.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 20, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 08:58:55 PM
So darn proud.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.


That takes quite a rare combination of talent and indifference.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on September 20, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 21, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
"Fox is poised to spend up to $2 Billion per year to keep Sunday Football lineup."

This won't go over well with the people aren't interested in the NFL crowd.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-21/fox-is-poised-to-spend-up-to-2-billion-to-keep-sunday-football?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 21, 2020, 10:41:50 AM
They have money to spend after dropping golf.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF?

It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 21, 2020, 10:58:47 AM
Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.

Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 21, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.

Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 21, 2020, 11:41:14 AM
Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.


3 and counting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 12:13:40 PM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?

When you have Get Up, First Take, PTI, SportsCenter, and all those shows in between running 12 months a year, and they have to have content to fill, yes, ESPN/Disney has decided it's worth a billion a year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 21, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?

Yup, used to produce/edit clips for Perform to distribute to their partners.

Highlight restrictions are so ridiculously strict to the point where we had to edit entire 5 set tennis matches down to 30 seconds. Those rights are ridiculously important.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.

The NFL did ESPN a solid this year with a better schedule. Next week's Chiefs/Ravens game is on MNF, and arguably could be the game of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 21, 2020, 02:56:10 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.

And they fired Jim Caldwell for going 9-7.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Trump Loves The Big East on September 21, 2020, 04:19:33 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on September 21, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

haha, that is some serious /r/nottheonion stuff
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
The Al Davis fake eternal flame is tacky as hell.  Perfect for both Las Vegas and the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2020, 07:44:14 PM
2020 Sucks, Part 7,443:

McCaffrey out 4-6 weeks with high ankle sprain.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 21, 2020, 07:54:58 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

Beautiful!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 21, 2020, 11:43:41 PM
NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 22, 2020, 08:06:24 AM
NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/

Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 02:10:32 PM

Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.



Yep. It's also pretty common to see people with the mask covering their mouth but not their nose. Might work for mouth-breathers, but....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 22, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.

Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 22, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.
100% agree
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 23, 2020, 03:46:00 AM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.

Yep. Especially when they are tested daily.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 23, 2020, 07:24:04 AM
Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 23, 2020, 08:00:24 AM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.

When you are huddled close together in a circle and yelling at each other, not hard to get it at all outside. If you do that with an infected person, I promise you will have it too.

Now Sultan's point of them all being tested is valid, and I agree it is largely optics. But poor optics when the only time the camera is really focusing on them, they remove their masks while in a group.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jfmu on September 23, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.

i think that's due to them simulcasting on abc
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
Bears stink
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
Bears stink

So do the Skol Viqueens.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:13:57 PM
Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 27, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?

The entire staff should be. Quinn should have never been retained.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:23:18 PM
Falcons emulating Detroit, too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 03:24:58 PM
Bears stink

Falcons stink worse. Much worse.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 27, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
Super Bowl LI Corollary: Never count the Falcon's opponent out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?

Ineffectiveness
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
Bears are frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
They have beat the teams they are supposed to.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Falcons stink worse. Much worse.

A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 27, 2020, 03:50:57 PM
Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.


So the Vikings ‘won.’
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:52:26 PM
But it was damn close.   Titans time management at the two minute warning was shameful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:08:02 PM
Bears are frauds

Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit.  :-\
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.

Settle down, Wades.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit.  :-\

There are pee wee league teams better than Detroit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.

3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 04:29:09 PM
3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.

Shoot, man.  Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0.  Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:52:00 PM
Shoot, man.  Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0.  Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.

But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.

Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.

A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 27, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
I had always been impressed by Mike Zimmer, but he's really been bad this year.

Of course, not as bad as extending Cousins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 27, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.

Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.

A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.

That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.

A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 05:48:13 PM
That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.

A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”

You’re saying a coach has no say in who plays? Or some say? Or only say at certain positions?

Ain’t buying it. A coach with any self-respect would quit in a second. He would also lose all “cred” in the locker room. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 27, 2020, 06:09:13 PM
Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 27, 2020, 06:18:29 PM
Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.


Agreed. Even as a Packers fan, I recognize and respect the greatness of Gale Sayers. When an all-timer like him dies, there is no excuse for not doing something to honor him in the next game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 27, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Reports in Chicago are that Nagy pulled Trubisky not just because of the interception but also because of two overthrows in the first half.

His problem with Nagy was that Trubisky could not thread the needle on the deep routes. He tends to be ineffective unless he's running a dink and dunk offense. It's too bad because he is a good kid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 10:11:28 PM
Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 27, 2020, 10:25:32 PM
Adjustments and second halfs are night and day year over year. Packers first drives last season were always really good and then they just stalled. Now they’re scoring at will in the second half. LaFleur and A Rodg looking good in year two.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 28, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.

Devastated. I was rooting for him to play just well enough to get a fat extension
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 28, 2020, 09:18:20 AM
So just how awful are the Giants this season? The 49ers were missing TEN starters, including QB, RB, WR, and TE...and they still blew out the Giants 36-9 in NY.

On the plus side, they're only one game out of first in the NFC Least.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 28, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 28, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
There seems to be more bad teams than usual in the NFL this year. Even teams that have winning records like the Titans, Bears, Rams etc. I'm not totally convinced on.

Fully expecting KC to roll through everybody this season if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 10:44:09 AM
Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.

After tonight, 19 teams will have scored as many or more points this season as the Jets and Giants combined.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
Bears are frauds

Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.

That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.

That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.


Example 2.

The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 02:00:42 PM

Example 2.

The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.

Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that

Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on September 28, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 28, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?

I think it's a nice way of saying a defense so bad that the team can only win with a torrid offense.

Think Marquette basketball 2016-2018.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.

Oh

Then your example makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that

Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.

Thanks, pakuni. Hyperbolic is a better term than sarcastic, but the point remains the same.

Sarcasm isn’t bad though. I listen to WSCR a lot (because all Wisconsin sports talk radio is so bad), and they are always going on and on about their Championship defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Every decade or so, the Bears have a team that has a horseshoe up their backside.  It appears we have reached that time.

Here’s the thing about NFL defenses thus far, they all stink
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 28, 2020, 03:38:06 PM
Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.

Am I missing something here? The ESPN article you cited had the Bears Defense FPI index at 7. The other articles call the Bears a top 5 defense. I think the word "Elite" is being generously thrown around here, first by the person (not Dickerson) who put the ESPN headline together, and then by The Athletic and whoever Fansided is.

They're currently 9th in PPG (they'll most likely move up to 8 at the end of this evening), 7th in sacks, 4th in takeaways, 1st in passing touchdowns against. For context's sake, they are middle of the road in YPG, rushing TDs against.

Small sample size for everyone.

Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 28, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone? 


I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

Ya.

I can't remember who, but a fairly knowledgeable football guy on twitter yesterday said as soon as Foles came in the Falcons stopped run blitzing as they had to respect the whole field.

The Falcons stink.

But defenses will have to treat the Bears differently with Foles under center.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 04:07:13 PM

I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."

IMO, I don't think the Bears D is "stout" either. They're coached and constructed to play with a lead and pass rush like crazy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

I agree. It’s a playoff team if Foles stays healthy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 04:41:37 PM
Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.

Nobody is saying they're awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2020, 04:50:33 PM

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.

I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.

I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 28, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?

Extrapolating from the evidence, it means making exactly one play per game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2020, 08:16:57 PM
I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.

Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 28, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.

I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.

I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.

He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed  the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 28, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top

I think Mitch was more of the girl that gave you a beej in the library, then you wanted to check out obscure periodicals for no damn goid reason.

Mitch is too dull the be the drunk girl on the bar.

Otherwise i like your thought process. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 28, 2020, 09:09:15 PM
Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed  the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).

Reminds me of Rick Mirer of Notre Dame drafted (I think) 3td overall by the Seahawks a number of years ago. Like Trubisky, he was big, fast and had a strong arm. His biggest drawback (like Trubisky) was that his strong arm was not especially accurate. Oh, and (like Trubisky) he didn’t really have a “feel” or instincts for the game. How teams overlook those two things when drafting QBs is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 29, 2020, 10:07:47 AM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 29, 2020, 10:45:09 AM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

Congrats to the Bears on finishing this year undefeated.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 29, 2020, 12:18:53 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on September 29, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.

MLB had expanded active rosters, 60 man clubs and taxi squads and still shut down the Cards & Fish for a week.  Will be interesting to see what happens in TN & MN.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 29, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.


Vikings have stopped practices while they figure out how to handle the possible exposures.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/29/vikings-stop-practice-after-titans-players-test-positive-for-covid19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 29, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Thank you, Donald Trump, for bringing back football. I am, indeed, very proud of you.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on September 30, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

Titans\Steelers game has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 30, 2020, 08:24:48 PM
Titans\Steelers games has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.


I don’t understand the benefit of a one or two day delay since people might not test positive for several days after exposure. They might just as well play on Sunday....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 30, 2020, 08:26:25 PM
Probably because of the quarantine window.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 30, 2020, 08:37:25 PM
the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love.   aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense.  he's gonna show the young fella how it's done

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 30, 2020, 08:47:42 PM
Probably because of the quarantine window.


In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2020, 08:23:16 AM
the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love.   aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense.  he's gonna show the young fella how it's done

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html


I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
NFL says Steelers-Titans game won't be played in Week 4 after two more positive tests

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30015123/nfl-says-steelers-titans-game-played-week-4-two-more-positive-tests

And here we go....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on October 01, 2020, 09:46:16 AM

In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.

14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 01, 2020, 10:16:05 AM

I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.

I think we are seeing Rodgers do a better job of taking what the defense gives him. His time to get the ball out has dropped significantly. I’m thinking he’s a lot more comfortable with the system and receivers.

It sounds like Rodgers is taking Love under his wing. I saw an article about how active he is in meetings explaining what he’s seeing to the other QBs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.

CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 01, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html

With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.


It might shorten the time frame a bit. But it still often takes several days from exposure until the test turns positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
AP source: Titans’ outbreak now up to 17 with 3 more results

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-nfl-tennessee-titans-minnesota-vikings-football-1d47b23f90eb64c79b229c148bd16f83

Another Tennessee Titans player and two staff members tested positive for COVID-19, raising the team’s total to 17 since Sept. 24, a person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press on Saturday.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because neither the NFL nor the Titans had announced the latest results.

This is the fifth straight day that at least one member of the Titans’ organization has had a positive test result return. The Titans placed a cornerback from their practice squad on the reserve/COVID-19 list on Sept. 24.
...

The Titans had hoped to return to work inside their own building Monday or Tuesday. But with continued testing still returning positive results that propect is at risk as is the Titans’ next scheduled game, Oct. 11 against the Buffalo Bills in Nashville.


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Given that positive tests can continue to roll in for a week or two after exposure, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
Cam newton covid positive
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2020, 10:53:28 AM
Cam newton covid positive

I just saw that.

I don't know what he did to get it. Maybe was somewhere he shouldn't have been. But I still feel badly for him. Here's a guy who did absolutely everything he had to do to rehab from a number of injuries, he joined a new team and fit in right away, and he was having a great season for a team with SB aspirations, and now this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 10:56:57 AM
Chiefs practice squad QB positive
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 03, 2020, 11:16:47 AM
This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2020, 11:42:26 AM
This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.

They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 11:49:45 AM
They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.

Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.

And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 12:31:17 PM
And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?

No, because the NFL’s broadcast partners aren’t going to let that happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
And just like the initial NFL statement on the Titans' outbreak, they are talking about moving it to 'Monday or Tuesday.' Totally irresponsible, and inconsistent with CDC's quarantine guidelines for direct contacts.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?

Unlike baseball, there's nothing (such as the weather) stopping the NFL from extending the season, if necessary. If they need to push the playoffs back to February and Super Bowl to March, they can. Heck, they can push it into April or May. Not like the stadiums and hotels are going to be booked up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on October 03, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.

And the NFL can extend the season by a week. Sonething much harder in baseball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?

No bueno.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
At some point they may just take “your 14 best results” and move on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 05:01:33 PM
So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?

No bueno.

If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 05:05:45 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.

Indeed. The same reason they're playing in the first place.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.

Yup.

If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.

I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
Yup.

I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.

There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.

I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.

I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 05:57:57 PM

I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.



I think that's the key. If their playoff spots are locked in, it could be one of those games where the teams don't take risks, rest their stars to avoid injuries and nobody cares who wins. But if playoff positions, home field or the like are on the line, it could be ratings gold.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
As long as they get the 17 weeks in, the NFL won’t extend the season for a handful of missed games. Most people who were going to watch Pats / Chiefs are just going to watch Bills / Raiders instead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 06:32:19 PM
Won't someone think of the fantasy football implications????
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 06:58:13 PM
I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.

I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.

Bingo. There isn’t a chance in hell CBS is going to give up one of their biggest games of the year to have it be possibly meaningless in Week 18.

Every year, one network gets the short end of the stick on scheduling and this year it was CBS. With a re-negotiation taking place, and CBS already forfeiting an early window next month for The Masters, the NFL will do everything possible to play this game this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2020, 10:21:43 PM

I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.

 i'd be cool with that.  next year,  trade up for lawrence and keep the fire going ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2020, 10:32:37 PM
CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html

  nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-

" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."

 https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
  nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-

" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."

 https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious


My post was referring to quarantine time since exposure.

Your post talks about something totally different; quarantine time since symptoms appeared and the patient recovered (assuming the person develops symptoms).

The CDC‘s guidance on a minimum of 14 days after exposure has remained unchanged for months.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 11:35:25 PM
Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 04, 2020, 07:05:54 AM
Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.

Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 04, 2020, 08:20:14 AM
Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.


Good news in the short term. Still hope they go to hotel bubbles so they have a better chance of getting through the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 04, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Weekly update: bears are still frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 04, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 04, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
Thank god for the Sunday Ticket, or that would have been a brutal three hours of my life.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2020, 06:39:02 PM
Foles almost threw about 5 interceptions last week, so it's hardly surprising that he was mediocre (at best) today.

He's a journeyman -- pretty much the definition of the term -- who was in the right place at the right time a couple years ago. But I don't blame the Bears for trying him. Trubisky obviously isn't the answer.

The Bears are very fortunate to not be 0-4. Looking forward to when the Panthers get to play 'em in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2020, 07:28:03 PM
I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.

But he still made multiple throws and reads that Trubisky never would. Doesn’t make him great, but shows how rough the options are. 

Then again, it probably didn’t matter with what Nagy was play calling. 3rd and 1 in a close, still winnable game? Let’s run it with Patterson, not on an end around but up the middle. Umm what?  Not to be out done, decides to go for it on 4th and 2 from his own 25 in a 2 possession game with basically the entire 4th quarter left.  What does he call?  Deep throw to David Montgomery.  I mean what?  Bailed out by a PI but what a horrific set of decisions.

To quote Denny Green, coincidentally also about the Bears, they are who we thought they were
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 04, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?

I can’t see it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2020, 07:42:11 PM
Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?

I can’t see it.

Not a chance.  Given the success of the passers chosen behind Trubisky, there isn’t a sane owner who would give Pace another shot at it.  He went all in and came up bust. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 07:58:11 AM
Zero positive tests from the Titans today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 09:38:28 AM
I’m shocked neither of the Patriots or Chiefs have had additional positives. That’s really good news.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 05, 2020, 04:12:37 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2020, 04:25:27 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2020, 04:25:59 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.

I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim.

Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.

Funny.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 05, 2020, 06:03:29 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.

Bill O'Brien's trades:

Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th

Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Bill O'Brien's trades:

Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th

Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Wow. Several Scoopers would be better NFL GMs than him. And I'm not joking.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 05, 2020, 08:05:14 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.


Well, they did just lose to the Vikings. Seems like an appropriate response.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 08:43:27 PM
How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?

The play was poorly blocked not matter who the RB was.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
Nice timeout Dan Quinn
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Nice timeout Dan Quinn

Goodness gracious that was awful. That’s a McCarthy special.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 05, 2020, 10:03:24 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.

What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 05, 2020, 10:04:01 PM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?

Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 10:16:06 PM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?


You’re nuts, Wades. It’s Jimmy Graham every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 05, 2020, 10:49:59 PM
What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.

Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked.  Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.

Like... what the hell.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 11:00:17 PM
We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.

Yep, the last couple years, offense was unbelievably stale under him. 

Impressive they’re rolling this way even without Adams too. Fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2020, 11:19:33 PM
Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked.  Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.

Like... what the hell.

That decision was on one guy, Ron Wolf. Wolf was undeniably great for the organization, but what a 💩 to finish a great career.  And Harlan, really didn’t want to sign off on Sherman having both jobs, but he had such trust in Wolf.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 06:34:47 AM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?

Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 08:15:05 AM
They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.

Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:18:34 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:20:17 AM
BTW, after not really watching much of the Falcons over the last couple of years, I've now seen them in back to back weeks.  Two thoughts:

1. They should have fired Quinn after last year.  Not sure what hanging onto him has done.

2.  Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.

I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2020, 08:31:21 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.

And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.


I don't really get hung up on this stuff after four games regardless.  The Packers are good.  Is this season going to be "special?"  We will see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
2.  Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot.
Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 06, 2020, 08:56:05 AM
That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 09:16:44 AM
That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
Rodgers can flick it 20-25 yards with his wrist alone, like a classic power hitter in baseball. Ryan, OTOH, appears to be trending towards end-stage Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 09:27:29 AM
And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
You get what you get when you date a Bear fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 06, 2020, 09:34:23 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.


A little bit more maybe...but probably not much, since the upcoming opponents look only marginally better than the first four.

Houston (0-4) is as bad as any team GB has played, and GB has already beaten MN (1-3). Tampa (3-1) has a decent record...but they lost to NO and their wins are against teams with a collective 4-8 record. SF (2-2) looks worse than Tampa, with losses to teams that are 3-4-1 (Philly?!?) and wins over the 0-8 Giants/Jets.

If the Packers lose more than 1 of those games, then yeah - we will have learned something. But if they go another 4-0 or 3-1, it'll just be more wins against so-so competition.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
So the Packers dont have a 51 point margin of victory in those games.  Never mind, not worth arguing the point, Sultan is right only 4 games in. The eye test looks pretty good to me though
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
Through a quarter of the season, the Pack is the best team in the NFC. Shouldn’t be too much angst out there. A lot can change over next 13 weeks, but if they stay healthy and with their favorable schedule, they should be a legit one seed.

It’s not the Packers fault that the North plays the bad AFC South or the mediocre NFC South. They’re taking care of business with little doubt.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on October 06, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.

That same "weak" argument was true last year. The packers were probably the weakest 13-3 team in 50 years. The barely squeeked by against very weak teams, usually with blown calls going their way. Then they got anhilated twice by San Francisco. Down 34 to 7 at the end of the 3rd in the nfc championship.

This year so far they are much better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 06, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.

It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.

It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.

It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 06, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
Yeah, I think the virtual crowd noise is silly. It's rarely *actively* distracting, but it's never a benefit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 06, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.


Yep. Same with basketball, baseball, whatever. It's like the canned laughter of the old sitcoms.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 06, 2020, 03:41:52 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.

I agree. Do the networks stick with it becuase they want to keep the low level on-field audio, and its the only way to drown out all the problems the censors would have? E.g. the NFL broadcasts want to keep enough of the on field audio to make out the QBs' hard count, the lines smacking against each other on the snap, that type of thing.  But even at that low level, without any other ambient noise, how much cussing would the mics also pick up?  Maybe they need some kind of crowd/white noise to both keep the same level of field audio and also stay on the FCC's good side?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 06, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.

Ryan is no quick thinking genius. He uses s hard count to get GB to jump offsides and then just slides for a 2 yard gain. There is never a reason not to throw downfield when that happens. What was even the purpose for Ryan’s hardcount?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Two more Titans players test positive, putting their second straight game in jeopardy, and another Patriots player tests positive so practice has been halted.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060584/source-tennessee-titans-player-tests-positive-coronavirus

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060441/source-new-england-patriots-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-covid-19-no-practice-team

Where is the NFL on creating hotel bubbles?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 07, 2020, 02:14:45 PM
Titans broke protocol and held practice.

Now have more positive tests.

How should they be punished?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
Titans broke protocol and held practice.

Now have more positive tests.

How should they be punished?


Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 07, 2020, 02:49:34 PM

Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.


https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week

The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week.  I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive.  That's going to happen.  But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.

And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC.  Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 07, 2020, 02:55:17 PM

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week

The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week.  I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive.  That's going to happen.  But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.

And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC.  Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.

I'm on board.  Unless the Packers do this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 05:35:11 PM
I'm on board.  Unless the Packers do this.


Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 08, 2020, 08:13:55 AM

Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.

I was just joking. :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 08, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 08, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19

That would sure send a strong message (and the right message).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 08, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
This officiating crew sure loves their camera time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 08, 2020, 09:52:12 PM
They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 08, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Defense was impeccable that second half and it was still barely enough. Gonna be a very up and down season for the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 08, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 08, 2020, 10:58:59 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.

Also 0-2 in the handshakes with BDN
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 09, 2020, 01:34:53 PM
The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 09, 2020, 02:04:49 PM
The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.

Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.

Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.

Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?

Sid Luckman has been spotted warming up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 09, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result?  ;)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 09, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result?  ;)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test

Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.

That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 10, 2020, 07:01:06 AM
That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.

Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 10, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.


I thought Brady said something like "like it was poor execution," which was him basically admitting he forgot without him saying he forgot.

Ariens said "of course he remembered" which, although completely false, was the right thing for a coach to say.

Anyway he made a couple of nice throws early but as the game wore on, his accuracy and zip seemed to slip.  It's gotta be tough to be one of these older quarterbacks, who have so much understanding of what a defense is trying to do and where they want to go with the ball, but they are physically not able to do what they used to.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 10, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.

His yelling was after Ryan Jensen played maybe the worst drive I've ever seen from an individual OL, so that one felt justified. But to your point, he looked an awful lot like a game manager
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 11, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.

So Buffalo has to play Tennessee Tuesday night and then turn around and play Kansas City on Thursday?  When was the last time an NFL team had to play two games in three days?  Seems insane/unfair.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 05:53:36 AM
They moved the Thursday game to Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 11, 2020, 08:00:50 AM
Another TN staff member tested positive. Time to make them start forfeiting games. Lost revenue, sure, but for the sake of the whole pie
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2020, 08:09:11 AM
New England and Tennessee shutting down their football compounds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Broncos-Patriots cancelled.  Adjust your fantasy rosters accordingly AMD call your bookies ASAP
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 11, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.

Time for a football bubble?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
Put Kushner in charge.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.

Time for a football bubble?


Priority one for the NFL and its owners is protecting the shield.  Players and personnel are well down that list
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 02:59:08 PM
First-place Panthers!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.

We’ll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
In retrospect, here is what the NFL should have done with its schedule.

Each team plays 15 games over 17 weeks.  No inter-conference games.  There are AFC only bye weeks in November and December.  Ditto the NFC.  Any games that need to be postponed are moved into those weeks.

Having an early bye week makes no sense.  What are the Packers going to do if they, or their opponent, has positives now?  The NFL didn't make any schedule adjustments and here we are...

Then they need to take a week off after the season and move into postseason bubbles in different locations a la MLB.  I don't know what they are going to do if they have positives during a playoff week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 11, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
Sounds like Dan Quinn is finally on his way out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 05:40:43 PM
Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 05:46:34 PM
Why would they not have put him on a stretcher and lifted him onto the cart? Or at the very least pull the cart right up next to Dak? Having had a pretty ugly ankle injury in middle school, I can’t imagine them handling that any worse. It’s obviously excruciating no matter what, but any movement is going to be an absurd amount of added pain. Trying to hold his leg while he hops 10-15 feet over to the cart? What?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 11, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.

This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?

12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 06:58:34 PM
12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.

Where?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
We’ll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.

Totally agree. I was being goofy. If I had to bet today, I’d bet on them to win it all again.

Meanwhile ...

Panthers better without McCaffrey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
Where?

Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.



Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 07:33:47 PM
Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.

Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 07:56:22 PM
Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.

The Draft Kings line was up before the season. Once the Season started they would either adjust the line or stop taking bets on the prop. Maybe the only way to play it now is with a book who will allow a big open ended parlay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 11, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
The Vikings, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 10:32:26 PM
If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 11, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.

I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 10:55:48 PM
This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.

100%
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 11, 2020, 11:04:13 PM
Looks like the Vikings are trying to out-Lions the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 07:47:03 AM
I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.


I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 09:46:07 AM

I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.

I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 12, 2020, 11:13:03 AM
I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.

One other aspect is Matthison was killing them on the ground. He had a gaping hole but missed it.  Kicking the FG gives Seattle 20 yards of field position with a touchback and them needing a TD anyways. Then you get into OT with Seattle who have played a much better second half.

Maybe I’m scarred by the Packers giving up so many tying/losing touchdowns at the end of games, but I think going for it was the right call. Russ just showed why he’s a top flight QB. Going for it was the only way to have the chance of him not touching the ball again.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Part of this is the culture that decries risk-adverse coaches.  But of course we then criticize them when the risky move doesn't work out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on October 12, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
It was the right decision, IMO. Game over if you can get a yard. Seahawks have a chance if a FG is attempted, make or miss. End the game when you get a chance. Unfortunately the RB just missed the hole.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
Again, I'm saying what I would have done. I fully understand the rationale for going for it. You make the foot, you win the game. It's understandable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 12, 2020, 01:13:32 PM

Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.

People who kick the field goal are science deniers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.

People who kick the field goal are science deniers.

I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.

That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 12, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Now that Quinn is gone, how much time does Zimmer have left?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 12, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
Ordinarily, I would agree with the decision to go for it. However, they were playing a backup RB. He had been having a great game after Cook’s injury, but still that’s a lot of pressure to put on an inexperienced player’s shoulders.

Then again, I’m glad they lost, so I fully support the decision to go for it, even with an inexperienced RB.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 12, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
This Saints team has 8-8 written all over it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Brees doesn’t look very good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 12, 2020, 08:41:54 PM
Brees doesn’t look very good.


Age has a way of catching up with people. Both Brady and Brees are great quarterbacks, but they clearly are well past their prime.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 09:12:59 PM
Would love to see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.

Fixed it for myself.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 12, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.

That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.

Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.

Sorta like

God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.

Sorta like

God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God

Well ... duh!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2020, 01:19:33 AM
Would love to see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.

Fixed it for myself.

It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.

This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.

My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 13, 2020, 09:26:55 AM
Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks.  Do what Cleveland did.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 09:34:40 AM
It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.

This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.

My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry


Yep. Going into the prevent offense too soon has cost teams many games over the years.

It also happens in college hoops. <Cough - four corners - cough>
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks.  Do what Cleveland did.

If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 13, 2020, 10:29:16 AM
If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 11:05:18 AM
If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.

And if I’m Trevor Lawrence, I ain’t going there unless they have a competent new GM and coach
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.

The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.

If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.

If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.


The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.

But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 13, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
The Lions were terrible before they drafted Stafford.   Oh, wait...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 02:57:31 PM

The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.

But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.

Broncos were 8-8, 10-6, 2-7 (strike) previous 3 seasons. I'm not gonna get into a silly Scoop semantics war. I said they "sucked" before he went there. 2-7. But sure, at 20-21 previous 3 seasons I'll happily move to "mediocre" for the sake of harmony.

Good points about the staffing changes on other teams. The Jets certainly should be looking to do the same, but maybe they won't.

I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.

I think we probably will get to see, because the Jets sure as shyte ain't winning many games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.

What MU82 said.
The Bungles have pretty much the same roster as last year, but just adding Burrow - who's not the prospect Lawrence is - has made them competitive.
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB, especially not one seen as the top QB prospect in a decade.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2020, 05:07:55 PM

I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.

If there is anyone who may be the one to turn down NY, I feel like it could be Lawrence. From small town Georgia, very religious, already engaged to a GF that doesn’t even go to Clemson. Now many have started on that path and veered sharply once fame and riches of the big show beckoned, but on paper I could see it.

Burrow I think was also unique cause the Bengals allowed him to be a hero in his home state after not having the chance at OSU
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 05:54:18 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 06:15:31 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....

Lawrence is light years ahead of the guys you mentioned but your point stands
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 13, 2020, 07:10:39 PM
Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....

None of those guys were considered surefire.
And Lawrence isn't surefire either, but he's the closest to it since Luck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 07:14:49 PM
I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta.  (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta.  (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)

You think so?  I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 07:39:09 PM
You think so?  I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.   


I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 07:41:18 PM

I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta.

Gotcha!  Agree on that, too
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 08:11:57 PM

I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta.


I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.

With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 13, 2020, 08:17:09 PM
So where does Le’Veon end up?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 08:17:59 PM

I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.

With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.

And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations. 

I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 13, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 08:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.

And the play officially never occurred due to offsetting penalties.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 08:48:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.


Reminiscent of the time Bo Jackson carried Brian Bosworth into the end zone. Don’t think Boz even slowed him down…
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2020, 09:38:32 PM
And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations. 

I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around

In his rookie year, Manning threw a league-worst 28 interceptions and led his team to a 3-13 record.

But I think the pick worked out OK.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 10:44:54 PM
Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge

Maybe they should go to Gainesville.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 14, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.

Counterpoint: Justin Fields couldn't take playing time from Jake Fromm.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 14, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
Just because Kirby made a poor decision...

And I say that with understanding WHY he made that decision at the time.  But in retrospect, it wasn't the correct one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 15, 2020, 12:04:11 AM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.

Fields needs to improve his decision making. He made some really stupid throws last year. He has a bit of Terrelle Pryor in him being just a freakish athlete and being able to overcome some stuff as a result of that. But I do agree that he projects very well if he lands in a good spot
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 15, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 15, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html

Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.

Wait ... you mean they haven't shut down their season already?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 15, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
Can you shut down something that never really started in the first place?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
Fair point. I sit corrected.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 15, 2020, 01:36:35 PM
RIP Fred Dean.
Died after going to the hospital for COVID.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 16, 2020, 10:01:42 AM
Vaughn McClure, who covered the Bears for the Tribune when I was in Chicago and most recently has been the Falcons reporter for ESPN, died at age 48. No cause was given.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30122237/vaughn-mcclure-espn-atlanta-falcons-reporter-dies-48

Vaughn was a very good reporter and a great guy.

He is the third journalist I knew well to die in the last 2 1/2 weeks. Bill Rood, who hired me as a columnist with Copley and later became a Tribune executive, died at age 78 on Sept. 30; and former AP hockey writer Ken Rappoport, who probably was the nicest person I've ever met in journalism, died earlier this week at 85.

Man, 2020 sucks.

Interesting side note ...

Bill Rood probably is best known for writing a detailed defense of John Kerry after Kerry had been "swift-boated" during the 2004 election run-up.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0408220342aug22-story.html

There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago--three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 18, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.

Refs have been terrible in this game. Horrible interference call on each team, and an awful roughing the passer call. Need to drug-test the refs!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 18, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 02:50:20 PM
Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.

Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 18, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.

Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.

Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?

Jets might not win a game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 18, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture

I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.

Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
Wow. Thanks for not running the ball, Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Shyte. Doesn’t matter.

Bears D better than Panthers O. Deserved to win.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 18, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
Moot point but I really don’t understand how Aaron’s rush wasn’t a td.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 18, 2020, 04:03:47 PM
Football's Boo Birds Are All Cooped Up

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/sports/football/philadelphia-eagles-fans-boo-jets-giants.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

NFL fans in the Northeast, lusty booers in normal times, have had to watch their teams' dim performances Fromm afar, without recourse. "I have no way to release my venom," one Jets fan said.

-------------

Might be time for yoga or meditation.....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 18, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
Jets might not win a game.

Can they fire Gase at halftime? Lifeless doesn’t even begin to describe that team right now
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 18, 2020, 04:39:56 PM
Badly missed offside on Rodger’s 2nd INT
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 18, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
Ass kickin', aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 18, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Ass kickin', aina?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.

Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?

During the 3-game winning streak, he was outstanding. He sucked today. Could have made up for it if he held onto that last one ... but alas he didn’t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 19, 2020, 07:43:21 AM
Ass kickin', aina?


They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on October 19, 2020, 08:44:24 AM

They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.

Hard to compare bc this year they were all stuck in GB (or maybe Door Co / Dells / Blue Harbor) vs somewhere sandy & warm.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 19, 2020, 10:22:14 AM

They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.




Rogers sucked major ass, too. He threw off his back foot often and probably was rattled with the hit (spearing) at the goal line, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 19, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 19, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.

Vrabel looks and sounds like a meathead, but he's turning out to be a really smart hire.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 19, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 19, 2020, 11:09:06 PM
I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.

And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 20, 2020, 08:38:27 AM
And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.


Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place. 

This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history.  Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 20, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
The Cardinals gelled a bit in the 2nd quarter, but that first quarter was some of the worst NFL football you will ever see.  Cowboys were terrible but the Zona offense was beyond out of sync. The announcers mentioned Murray was hyped up to play back home, but he looked like he didn’t even practice with the team the last week and change with how bad he was missing WRs.   McCarthy has his work cut out for him cause my goodness they look terrible.

Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management.  That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 20, 2020, 08:59:31 AM

Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place. 

This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history.  Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.


Agreed...but it ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 20, 2020, 03:23:09 PM
Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management.  That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting

So that's where Nagy gets it from, huh?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 21, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
ITS TUA TIME!!!!!

I like it.  I have been worried that Miami would rush Tua, and while this is still a bit earlier than I'd like to see him in there, it seems to be coming from a position of strength.  Fitzpatrick has been fine-to-good, they've won 3 of 4 with the loss an 8 pointer to Seattle, and they're arguably in playoff contention in a weak AFC East.  They had their bye moved to this week from week 11 due to schedule reshuffling, so that probably plays a role here too, but the time seems right enough.

Also, there is no overstating how much it helps to have as cool a customer as Fitzpatrick on the other side of this. If Tua starts taking too much punishment or starts losing confidence, I think Miami could go back and forth between them without having a true QB controversy.  A lot of credit for the Dolphins' ability to bring Tua along at his own pace goes to Fitzpatrick.  If he doesn't want to hunt a starting job for a QB needy 6 win team this offseason, I hope Miami finds a front office landing spot for him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 23, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
After a week of listening to the Seahawks try to sell an Antonio brown signing as a redemption tour he’s headed to Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
I don’t like smug Sean Payton very much but I do like the way he coaches. He just went for a TD on the last play of the half in a situation that probably the other 31 coaches would have kicked a FG.

Defense has been optional in this entertaining Panthers-Saints game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 25, 2020, 01:39:21 PM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.


True. Somehow, they even managed to make the Washington [          ] look pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 25, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Davante Adams is so good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 25, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 25, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
Davante Adams is so good.


Yep. Crazy good stat line today. 13 rec for 196 yards and 2 TDS.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 03:28:55 PM
The last hour of football is what makes Sunday Ticket totally worth it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2020, 03:31:02 PM
The last two weeks, the Lions have beaten a really bad team and a team that is out choking them this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.

Dish

I was just about to post the same thing. Newton is as bad as Brady is good. And Brady is really, really good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 04:45:24 PM
JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.

I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.

Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 04:58:33 PM
Belichick forgot how to coach.   8-)


Every coach needs great players to win - even great coaches.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.

Sad to see Cam struggle like this, but glad that if he has to struggle it's for the Patriots!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2020, 05:30:52 PM
I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.

Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.

You think Nagy is innovative?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
You think Nagy is innovative?

I do. The problem is that he is not a good head coach. As an OC, I think he could do great things with Watson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 05:43:48 PM
Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 25, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.

Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.

I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years.  I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 25, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.

If I’m Lawrence and the Jets don’t make changes, especially the head coach, I’d Eli my way out of there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 25, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.

Seems a bit unnecessary. I mean obviously would take him in a heartbeat if the price is right but do the Bears even have enough cap room?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 25, 2020, 07:22:04 PM
Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.

I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years.  I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.

Mertz might not start next week.  Positive covid test.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 26, 2020, 09:55:35 AM
Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 26, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?

Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 26, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.

Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 26, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?

 ;D

Actually, though, it will be 2years if he develops into the QB they think he will be.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 26, 2020, 12:18:46 PM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?


Covid long-hauler. Then he's gonna resort to bleach and UV light injections and be miraculously cured.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.

Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.

Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.

I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 26, 2020, 01:27:07 PM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?

Being a skill player in that offense sets you back about that long
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.

I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.

IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.

Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.

Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Bears are still frauds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 26, 2020, 09:56:26 PM
Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.

Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.

It’s amazing how Lockett has went from a burner deep threat to a legit discussion as a top 10 WR. He’s just remarkable with his footwork.


As for the Bears, Trestman was a joke but I’ve not hated a coach like I hate Nagy. His arrogance and baffling game mismanagement is just something else.  Just went turnover on downs from 1st and goal from inside the 5 and never once looked to Robinson. Just a joke
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 27, 2020, 07:36:04 AM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 27, 2020, 07:45:07 AM
What is bad about the Cowboys IMO is that the strength of that team just a couple of years ago, the offensive line, has gotten old and hurt quickly, and the replacements aren't there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 08:45:14 AM
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.

Last 20 games record:

Jets 7-13
Cowboys 7-13

One of the Jets 7 wins...versus Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on October 27, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.

Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.

Do you get to play the Bears this year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 27, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Wow, a fellow sufferer.  I stand corrected.  I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
You think Nagy is innovative?

I was wrong. You are right.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
I was wrong. You are right.

I’m not here to defend Nagy, but he doesn’t have much to work with.  Kmet looks like a dude and ARob can play but the rest of the skill players aren’t very good, especially the QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on October 27, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Wow, a fellow sufferer.  I stand corrected.  I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.

Accurate.  And yes, the stat I had heard was the first single-possession game result.  Sadly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 03:16:50 PM
In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.

I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.

I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.

Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason

2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid

2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara

2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.

2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder

Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).

In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.

The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.

Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.

I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.

I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.

Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason

2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid

2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara

2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.

2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder

Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).

In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.

The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.

Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.

Appreciate the info, Dish.

Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
Great post, Dish.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 03:47:54 PM
Appreciate the info, Dish.

Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?

No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 27, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
If D'Andre Swift holds on to that pass on the goal line, the narrative of two teams changes.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 04:42:33 PM
No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.

Typo? Or Freudian slip?

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
DEAD ON, NAILED IT POST

You established a beachhead on Nagy early and never waivered, kudos. I fought you on it cause I was refreshed to see some “modern” wrinkles in the offense and in general some promising signs after the moribund end of the Lovie tenure and dumpster fire which was John Fox.  But Nagy has taken this team to a place where my desire to watch them is more in line with a 2-3 win mess of a team, not a team that’s finishing with 8-9 wins.

Nagy’s arrogance and stubbornness is what grinds on me. See what McVay and the Rams do with Robert Woods running the ball? It’s usually well timed and schemed (fumble for TD not withstanding) and it’s pretty effective. Contrast that with Nagy running Patterson. Starting him in a single back position, running him between the F-ing tackles, or slow sideways stretch runs, just terrible. Hell, the 4th down run that got completely and utterly stuffed yesterday? He already tried that same play with Patterson early in the season with the same damn result. Couple that with terrible game management like coaching scared and not calling a TO in the first half and you get a joke of a HC.

Also, there is no way it was a “miscommunication” between Griese and Foles when Foles told him he knew certain play calls wouldn’t work before they were ran cause of timing. That was CYA by Foles for saying too much. More classic Nagy “smartest guy in the room who is actually not that smart” nonsense

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.


It’s also why you see a great defense start to fold in certain games. They run out of gas/generally get demotivated when the offense isn’t helping drive their pass rush.  It’s beyond frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 06:31:59 PM
Monty in the backfield and QB under center? Monty run up the middle.

Patterson in the backfield and QB under center? Patterson run outside.

Any other formation/alignment is a pass.

I don't know actual percentages, but I bet that's ridiculously close to being accurate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 06:54:16 PM
Typo? Or Freudian slip?

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.

Good catch, typo on my part.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 01:20:13 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 01, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.

Can't throw the ball downfield much in 30-40 MPH winds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.


The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 01:56:28 PM

The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
True. Defense is so soft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
Pathetic and apathetic showing from the packers today. Vikings defense is decimated and they can’t do anything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 02:18:00 PM
True. Defense is so soft.

Hopefully, this is Pettine’s last year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
Classic case of PI and refs pick up the flag.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 01, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Packers terrible today.

Also, probably one of the most obvious pass interference calls, and they pick up the flag.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 01, 2020, 02:39:49 PM
Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?

Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.

The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 01, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
Ass kickin', hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 03:02:55 PM
All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 01, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.

Receivers have to get down there. He was almost sacked against the Lions when he completed the Hail Mary. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.

With a lower salary cap next year and Jones and Williams becoming fee agents, I think the Dillon pick was OK.

The Love pick was brutal - I didn’t think he was special in college, and I think he projects as a Trubisky comp. You can’t punt on 1st round picks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.

That is a really out there stat, interesting find.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on November 01, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Minnesotan here.  Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 01, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Minnesotan here.  Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.


The trip pretty much ends their season anyway, doesn’t it? Between Green Bay and Orlando, they are bound to have a major Covid outbreak.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 04:52:26 PM
Wtf is Chuck Pagano doing? Garbage defense with 1:30 to go in the half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
This Bears third quarter has been...interesting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 01, 2020, 05:56:24 PM
Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.

It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.

It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y

They need to root for Houston to lose and hope Tua plays well. Miami has the Texans pick and they will demand a king’s ransom but it it might be worth it for a number of teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 06:15:16 PM
Wrong.

Bears need about 3 OL picks before even considering ruining any potential QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 01, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
Refs getting caught up in the Soldier Field mystique!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
This bears offense is so, so bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 01, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
This bears offense is so, so bad.

Yet, infinitely better than anyone in the NFC East.

Man, the Dallas/Philly game is terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2020, 05:37:12 AM
Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 02, 2020, 06:33:06 AM
Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?

Now that’s funny, Doc.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:02:01 AM
Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?

Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.

The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.


I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUfan12 on November 02, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
They've lacked speed and physicality on defense for the better part of a decade. I thought Gutey might fix it, but it's not looking great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 02, 2020, 10:16:35 AM

I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.

I have been a doubter of Gutekunst since day one.  I just don't see it.  You have a team go to an NFC Title game, have some huge holes exposed, and your response to it is to...draft a QB3, RB3, (your 2 strongest positions), TE4, and don't have a 4th round draft pick.  But hey, at least you addressed the ILB by signing an ILB that has always been hurt.  And guess what?  He got hurt in GB, too.

He came in and spent a lot of money on the defense right away.  But is the defense that much better than it was when Ted was the GM?  It's better against the pass, but if you're smart with your game plan all you have to do is not make your average or bad quarterback throw the ball down field and you win.  Look at what the Bucs, 9ers, and Vikings have done, and the defense really doesn't stop anyone.  They can't stop the run, they can't get to the quarterback, and they can't create turnovers.  Not a recipe for a great defense.

On the offensive side of the ball, he seems to love good size with no speed, athleticism, or hands at the skill positions.

Packers will rack up wins in the division like they always do, get a 2 or 3 seed, and get the doors blown off by a team with speed defensively and discipline offensively in the Playoffs.

And having Mark Murphy as your president doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:21:31 AM
I don't necessarily mind the idea of picking Rodgers' successor in the draft in concept.  I'm just highly doubtful that Love will end up being worth the pick.

But yeah, the rest is pretty spot on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 02, 2020, 10:23:34 AM

I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.

I think Gary is going to end up being a solid player who has a long career. My concern is that he's going to start playing well year 4 right when he's due for more money. He was always going to be a project and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn into a player after leaving GB.

Agreed with the rest.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:31:38 AM
Well apparently AJ Dillon has tested positive.  So who knows what's going to happen this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:45:37 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 02, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.

Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 02, 2020, 10:57:03 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.

But what about the pro bowl???
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 02, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Very strategic move by the Pack.  Covid outbreak.  Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 11:04:26 AM
Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.


I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 02, 2020, 08:47:22 PM
Still a full half left, but another game that makes no sense. Giants completely handling the Bucs. Brady looking terrible. Bucs mismanaging the game while Daniel Jones has been calm and clinical.

Their schedule is fortunate in this regard, but not that surprising to see a 43 year old QB struggling in cooler temps. But man Brady has been terrible. Missing on their second drive over the middle to put them nearly in the red zone. Incompletion to a WIDE OPEN Evans who torched his man cause Brady wobbled it in there. Throwing short of the sticks in bounds on 3rd down to end the half. Yikes. Maybe weeknight football doesn’t work with the TB12 method
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 02, 2020, 09:12:23 PM

I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.

Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2020, 05:58:50 AM
Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM
With a few minutes left last night, Bruce Arians opted to kick a FG for an 8-point lead rather than go for it on 4th-and-a-foot; had the Bucs made it, the game would have been over for all intents and purposes.

The Bucs made the field goal for the 8-point lead but the Giants drove down the field, converting several long 4th-down passes, and scored a TD. However, the Giants failed on the 2-point conversion when Brown passed too late to hit an open receiver.

Mike Zimmer faced almost the exact same decision last month in the Vikings game against Seattle (something several of us discussed on Scoop when it happened).

Zimmer decided to go for the half yard rather than the chip-shot FG for the 8-point lead, the RB was stopped, and Russell Wilson marched the Seahawks down the field for the win.

I believe "the sheet" says that Zimmer played the odds better than Arians did. I hope that's a comfort to him.

FWIW, I would just about always kick there and take my chances on the opponent being able to drive 75 yards, score a TD, get the 2-point conversion and then beat me in OT.

It's a fun discussion, kind of like the defend-the-3-or-foul debate in basketball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 03, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2020, 05:18:52 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.

If the price was truly a second rounder for Fuller, I can see why they didn’t bite.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.

I won’t know how to react until Aaron Nagler and Jason Wilde defend the front office
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 03, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.

It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.

Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 03, 2020, 07:21:54 PM
The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.

It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.

Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.

Hey man, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahck you
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on November 04, 2020, 01:47:28 PM
Very strategic move by the Pack.  Covid outbreak.  Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.

49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive.  At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 04, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive.  At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.

Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 04, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.


Because Fox wants a Thursday game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2020, 10:13:48 PM

Because Fox wants a Thursday game.

I could start at QB tomorrow night for the Pack, and that game would be played. Fox and the NFL are not moving this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
Ironically, the audience could get significantly cut if there is a Presidential announcement this evening.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 05, 2020, 10:03:53 AM
With the covid warning signs coming out of SF and the stakes for the NFL/FOX to play tonight's game, it feels like Green Bay has a much higher percentage likelihood of playing the game tonight than the Jacksonville game on the 15th - which is kind of messed up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2020, 03:22:03 PM
The Bears have zero healthy backup QB's on their roster, and are basically down to two healthy offensive linemen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 07:53:14 PM
Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.

Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.

Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.

I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.

And on offense. Davate and ???? 

This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.

And on offense. Davate and ????

This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.

Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.

I meant as receivers but yeah you are correct.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.

Ervin when spelling Jones.

Rest of this offense blows.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.

Ervin when spelling Jones.

Rest of this offense blows.

Yeah. Tonyan would be a nice 5th pass catching option. But being the third best (and your second being a RB) is not great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
I like Lazard when he's healthy
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:42:18 PM
I like Lazard when he's healthy

I like what I saw early this year. But it’s a tiny, tiny sample size.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
Well, Scantling caught that one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 05, 2020, 08:45:07 PM
Well, Scantling caught that one.

Redemption
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Mullens is horrendous

Find it hard to believe Beathard is worse
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:21:42 PM
After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3

They should be up 41-3 against this team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
They should be up 41-3 against this team.

They are playing fine tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2020, 09:25:03 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on November 05, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
This
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
I’ve noticed this year that the refs almost always mark the ball exactly on the hash marks when a team gets a 1st down. It’s a good move since it eliminates virtually all measurements.

But did it just start this year or did they do it last year too?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.

Other than Jaire, have they drafted anyone worth their draft position in the first 3 rounds under Gutey?

I forgot about Jenkins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 09:38:21 PM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2020, 09:58:24 PM
Chiefs only 10.5 point home favorite over Panthers.

I’m not a betting man, but the Chiefs sure are tempting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 05, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance.  All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 10:08:16 PM
After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance.  All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.

Crosby is also dealing with an injury. I think he has more distance in him than he showed there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2020, 10:09:26 PM
Geez, I wish the Bears had the kind of offensive problems you guys are complaining about. I’d happily trade spots.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Half of those came on the last two drives when nobody was playing on either side of the ball.

The Packers played fine tonight. They did what they should have. Blown a depleted team out. Nothing more and nothing less.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 06, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.

You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 07:25:57 AM
You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?

Brett Favre threw a lot of 1-yard TD passes early in his career
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 06, 2020, 07:44:57 AM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.

Someone had Aaron Jones in his fantasy lineup ...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2020, 08:03:08 AM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2020, 10:19:37 AM
Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.

They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 06, 2020, 11:52:37 AM
They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.

Why would they not have reached 100 yards against the Bears offense?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 06, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.

Bears are more of a bend don't break defense who gives up a decent amount of yards while limiting points.

So...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2020, 03:59:56 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Yep. Just the nature of fans, though. Many are happy only when everything goes perfectly. When things are going very well but with a few warts, people come out of the woodwork to nitpick the details.

But it’s good that fans are talking about the game at all...because if they weren’t, it would mean the team was at the bottom of the league. Fans of those teams don’t complain about specific games or plays; they complain more broadly about the woes of the franchise, and who they should pick in next year’s draft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 04:23:35 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Most sports fans are idiots
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 06, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Most sports fans are idiots

I think this board is hard evidence of that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
Most sports fans are idiots

So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't?  ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2020, 05:34:46 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.

Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.

There is one more big consideration. With Rodgers, GB leads the NFL in time of possession. That means other teams are getting fewer possessions per game yet still putting up big yardage numbers.

A lot of people here don’t get Packer games since they don’t live in Wisco. But, believe me, many game announcers have talked about GB’s soft defense. It is talked about often on national talk shows. Lack of toughness and bad tackling aren’t hard to spot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 06, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.

Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.

Mainly because there was absolutely nothing to complain about last night, offensively or defensively.  They gave up 3 meaningful points and 150 meaningful yards.  The defense can't stop the run, can't create turnovers, and can't get to the quarterback.  But last night they did all 3 until the last 2 drives in a 31-3 football game.  There was nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 06:00:37 PM
So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't?  ;)

I’ve come to grips with my sports idiocy and yet I still watch.  Sadly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 07, 2020, 05:03:12 PM
Harbaugh to the bears?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Harbaugh to the bears?

Buzz to Michigan football?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2020, 10:17:05 PM
If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.

Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 08, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
Good thing Philip Rivers isn't called upon to make many tackles....

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1325507558207991808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325507558207991808%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Fcolts-philip-rivers-makes-hilarious-attempt-at-a-tackle-after-ravens-recover-fumble%2F
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2020, 01:51:23 PM
Bears offense sure is something.

It's amazing that their defense still tries.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 08, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Bears offense sure is something.

It's amazing that their defense still tries.

The back to back false start penalties on fourth and one made me LOL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
The Bears are who we thought they are
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).

The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).

But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.

As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.

Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 08, 2020, 06:56:16 PM
Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).

The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).

But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.

As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.

Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.

Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 08, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
The Chargers are Charlie Brown and the rest of the NFL is Lucy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team

He looked good ... though he was flexing his shoulder or neck late in the game and seemed in pain. Hopefully it's not bad.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 08, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 08, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.

I was pretty excited for this game tonight. Shows what I know.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 08, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.

And here I thought this game was going to be a good one and the one tomorrow night a stinker.  What do I know though  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 09, 2020, 07:39:13 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Get Michael Thomas back and that Saints offense goes from "deliberate" to "high speed" ai'nna?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 09, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Are the Bucs better without Antonio Brown?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
Matt Patricia watch.  Harbaugh to the Lions!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 09, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Say it with me folks:

TOM BRADY IS A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK!!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2020, 09:38:08 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.

What's the record since he's been at new England without. Brady? Or is that what you're referring to?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 09, 2020, 10:50:36 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.

But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on November 09, 2020, 11:01:12 PM
Well, the Pats made the Jets work for that one, but a couple clutch plays (12 men on the field for FGA, a dreadful pick, a sack and an incomplete pass to save NE time, running exactly pne offensive play the first 13 minutes of the 4th qtr) but the Jets kept their perfect season alive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2020, 11:24:28 PM
But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.

I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 09, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.

If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.

The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 09, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
I think Belichick could have been successful without Brady. But to “replicate“ the level of success he had? Six Super Bowl wins? Maybe...as long as he had a guy like Manning or Brees or Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.

If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.

The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.

Belichick could not have replicated his success without an all-time great QB. No coach is good enough to win consistently without great players.

How many titles would Phil Jackson have without MJ and Kobe? Kerr without Curry and Durant?

Great players allow a team to win consistently.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 10, 2020, 10:03:20 AM
BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.

There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age.  And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 10, 2020, 10:26:35 AM
I believe NE had a lot of defensive guys opt out this year as well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on November 10, 2020, 10:27:02 AM
found a way to stop the Steelers

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30291133/ben-roethlisberger-4-added-pittsburgh-steelers-covid-19-list
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:08:20 AM
BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.

There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age.  And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche

I agree that Belichick is among the best coaches ever. However, it is plain as day that he would not be in that group without Brady.

My point still stands, though. Great players are everything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?

None. that was my point.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.

Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.

I only saw him throw 2 passes and that was exactly my thought. Pro arm, pro body, pro accuracy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 10, 2020, 12:00:09 PM
Matt Patricia watch.  Harbaugh to the Lions!

How long have you been a fan of this franchise?  You shouldn't put that in teal, I believe it will actually happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 10, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
NFL owners have agreed to expand the playoffs to 16 teams  - four division winners and four wild cards - if the regular season can't be completed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 11, 2020, 01:27:11 AM
I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance.

I would say I’d be shocked if he got another look, but he’s only 44 and given the way this league goes, he probably does. Though I think he’s hoping he gets the nod when BB decides to retire.

But otherwise, it’s really the perfect storm of “stay away” for him. Bad track record in Denver both on field and in the locker room/FO plus the BS in Indy. Generally thought of to be a jackass. Offense has looked terrible not just this year, but the last year or two, too gimmicky and cutesy. Then top it off with most BB disciples flaming out quickly in head gigs. So I’m sure the Bears will hire him when Nagy gets tossed  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team

Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2020, 10:00:10 PM
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a faster fall off from an elite kicker than Gostkoswki. I don’t know if it’s lingering issues from his hip injury or what, but if he was a young or non-“name” kicker, He would have been cut 3 times already. He’s horrific. Career 86%+ on FGs and he’s kicking a cool 12 for 20 this year, and most of the misses have been BAD.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 13, 2020, 08:31:07 AM
Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.

Had to trade a 1st round pick for James conner =(
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
RIP Paul Hornung. 

A decent Domer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 13, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
RIP Paul Hornung. 

A decent Domer.

This guy?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 13, 2020, 12:00:48 PM
Got his tit in a wringer like Ted Perry, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
This guy?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)

I said decent. Didn’t say great. 😉😉😉
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2020, 12:22:33 PM
RIP Golden Boy

He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever.  Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.

Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
RIP Golden Boy

He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever.  Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.

Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life. 


His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired.  Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy.  I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2020, 12:42:55 PM

His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired.  Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy.  I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.

I remember the uproar over letting Ferragamo wear it.  At least he was worth it, lol
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 13, 2020, 01:40:44 PM
Still 2nd all-time on the single-season scoring record.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 01:08:37 PM
Packers flat. Offensive game plan is awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Pack better hope the Bears get the 6 seed by some miracle. Don’t see this team beating any NFC West/South teams in the Playoffs. They are just not good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Soft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 15, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
If I cared enough, I would rhapsodize poetic about the facemask flag against Washington on Stafford being picked up.   How if it had been Detroit against Rogers, it would have been an ejection, not picked up.   But, alas, I just can't generate an adequate level of caring.


Topped by a horrendous PI call on 4th down to extend the game for Washington. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 15, 2020, 03:07:09 PM
I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.

You jinxed him into a sack.

Seriously, unless he turns it around down the stretch, I think he’ll be cut at the end of the season.

Lower production + lower cap = a good way to save $8 mil.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Packers are frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 03:34:19 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.

Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.

Have to believe that closes the door on bringing Jones back
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 15, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
Packers are frauds

It sure seems that way. A 7-2 record looks great, but they have beaten only one team (N’awlins) with a record above .500. They might still end up with 12 or 13 wins, but it will be almost exclusively from beating up on non-playoff teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.

Or maybe Jordan Love’s backup.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: baumu on November 15, 2020, 04:25:19 PM
Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 04:34:49 PM
Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it

Lol. From what I see, Vegas has the Packers at +425 to get there. I’d happily give you those odds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.

Yeah I agree with this. I could make a case for a few teams right now. All have exploitable weaknesses.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 15, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
The Packers aren't great but the offense can win a shootout against anyone if there aren't 25 MPH winds.

I think the Rams are probably the most complete team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
Mr. Unliiiiiiimited (Turnovers)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
Kyler Murray and Deandre Hopkins, a wing and a prayer
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 15, 2020, 07:11:44 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.


True.

The Packers certainly have flaws, but so do New Orleans, Tampa, Seattle, Arizona and the Rams...and one of 'em is likely heading to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on November 16, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.

I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 16, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

Because the replacement QB they drafted wasn't being talked about as the #1 overall draft pick that just happened to fall to them in the mid 20s.  He was a guy who led all of college football in interceptions while playing mid-major competition and they moved up to draft him, while being a team that played in an NFC Title game and had some obvious holes to fill while their top 5 QB in the history of the sport is approaching his 40s, in a draft that was deep on a position of need for them.  Instead of getting some help (whether it be stopping the run or giving Rodgers some weapons), the Packers will see 0 players from the first 4 rounds contribute to any kind of real success for the team this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 16, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?


I agree with you in concept.  In 2005 when Rodgers was drafted, Brett Favre was younger than Rodgers is now.  Two years later, they were 13-3 and in the NFC Championship Game.  "Wasting" a first round pick on Rodgers didn't seem harm them in the short-term.

The real question is if Jordan Love is actually THE guy to succeed Rodgers.  And no one really knows the answer to that yet.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

I don't take issue with #2 and #3. The tight end was actually the rookie who was most impressive in camp.

But for a top team with a couple major needs, you can't punt on a #1 pick. It seemed more like a Trubisky-type flyer than a legit pick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2020, 02:08:08 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

Usually, I’d say fans are idiots but in this instance, this team is ready to win a Super Bowl now.  The QB is ready to win now.  Win when you can and worry about 2022 in 2022, especially with one of the great QBs of all time
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2020, 10:13:57 PM
At least, Tower has the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 16, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Mitchell is back
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 16, 2020, 10:22:12 PM
It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).

https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1328550797529985030?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
I look forward to the 2022 draft when the Bears come off a 4-12 year, and meatball fans don’t want Sam Howell because he went to Carolina like Mitch did
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 16, 2020, 11:06:08 PM
Well, at the very least I can enjoy the Vikings playing some meaningful games coming up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 05:25:01 AM
The was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen. Two first downs in the second half. One in garbage time.

The play calling apparently was not the problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 08:55:26 AM
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them.  And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 17, 2020, 08:58:43 AM
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them.  And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.

Eh.  Cook is incredible.  But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
But their defense is rounding into shape.  It was bad early.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 17, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Eh.  Cook is incredible.  But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.

Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.

That said, this team is still 4-5
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.

That said, this team is still 4-5

Not to mention a very reliable TE
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 17, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.

Awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.

For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.

This one is for none of the marbles!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 18, 2020, 01:42:38 PM
Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.

Awful.

Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 18, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.

And 79 tight ends.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2020, 01:49:31 PM
Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.

For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.

This one is for none of the marbles!

Detroit made Alex Smith a hero.   Look for your offense to be just fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.

Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2020, 03:49:25 PM
Detroit made Alex Smith a hero.   Look for your offense to be just fine.


The Panthers' offense is decent. They just tend to take off a quarter or more ... and because the defense really blows, they can't afford that.

If Stafford and Bridgewater are healthy, we could have a high-scoring game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 18, 2020, 08:47:14 PM
Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice

Great timing as the reports are the Bears are bringing in Deshone Kizer for workouts. What a joke
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 19, 2020, 08:40:38 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918602-jaguars-fans-push-for-yannick-ngakoue-to-make-pro-bowl-to-improve-trade-return

This is hilarious.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 20, 2020, 08:28:45 AM
Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.

Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.

Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.

Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.

Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.

When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."

Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.

RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
No McCaffrey ... AND no Bridgewater.

While McCaffrey's replacement is quite good (Mike Davis), the backup QB -- P.J. Walker -- will be making his first NFL start.

Two starting offensive linemen (including the LT) and their best CB out, too.

Folks shoulda gotten their bets down on the Lions while they had a chance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.

A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.

Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 01:52:56 PM
A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.

Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.


The Bears wanna question this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 02:09:07 PM
Ugh. Joe Burrow out with a knee injury.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.

Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.

Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.

Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.

Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.

When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."

Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.

RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.


Great story. Scott was a great player. RIP.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.

Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.

Good move. If one wasn't a Panthers fan, one would have gotten zip from this game (just as the Lions did).

Does this activity mean you are feeling better?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.

Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 05:05:52 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.


Glad to hear you are feeling well enough to go out for a walk, and that Covid did not impair your ability to recognize the familiar pattern in the game… ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.

I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 22, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?

Did this need politics for some reason?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:20 PM
I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season.   Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Speaking of loser templates I recognize.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 22, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Absolute trash second half for the packers
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
Soft, weak defense. Petrine is always a step behind.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
Did this need politics for some reason?

U new round here?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 22, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
Rodgers absolutely terrible in the second half. throwing at receivers feet on the first two their downs and then throwing short of the chains when Tonyan had plenty of room for a first.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
Eye cee Pa plays write guard four da Colts, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on November 22, 2020, 06:33:02 PM
In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 22, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?

Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 22, 2020, 06:49:52 PM
Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept

The defense is just terrible and it all falls on Zimmer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2020, 06:55:42 PM
Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
The Packers refusal to use Jones like a true star back is gonna bury them.

Guy should be getting 20 touches a game minimum.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?



He rarely played prior to covid. Draftin' has been a disaster, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:05:16 PM
Dey don't wanna pay 'im, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.

From about the 2:10 mark of the 4Q, that was TERRIBLE football. First GB commits 2 penalties, then the Colts get flagged on 5 straight, and some to like 8 of 10. If they had lost, it would have been all about that stretch. Like you, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it.

But ultimately, the Packers were in more of a giving mood, and they literally handed the game to Indy. Wow.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 07:16:15 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay

Nah too big a cap hit. Earliest will be after 2021.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
How 'bout Pettine, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:25:24 PM
How 'bout dat Jonathan Taylor, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
How 'bout Pettine, hey?

Gotta go.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Gotta go.

Shepherd should be first to go. Just an inexcusable fumble. And he’s shown nothing as a receiver or returner.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.

Totally agree. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
The defense has issues no doubt and Pettine has not done a good job.  But two inexcusable fumbles by two idiot, unreliable receivers just not being mindful at all of securing the ball in mid fourth quarter and OT is why this was a loss.  Can’t have guys like that.

Shepherd should be released tomorrow. MVS only gets another chance because of occasional big play ability.  But you cannot trust him at all either.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 10:29:49 PM
Fun game between the Chiefs and Raiders. Dang, Mahomes is fun to watch ... and pretty much impossible to defend. Love watching him play QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 11:02:49 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay

Not a chance. They’d be fighting to stay out of last place without ARod.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2020, 11:02:00 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/

Fans are the worst aspect of sports
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 23, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/

Hutchwasclutch?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 23, 2020, 12:58:17 PM
Fans are the worst aspect of sports

Yup, embarassing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Hutchwasclutch?


 :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season.   Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.

unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him.  I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.

The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on November 23, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him.  I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.

The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.

Indiana has an excellent defense. They have at least two takeaways in every game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
I think Fields' biggest problem is that he held onto the ball too long, which works when you are the Ohio State QB throwing to future NFL receivers, and if no one gets open, you can just run away.  But that doesn't work in the NFL.

That being said, I have felt similarly about other QBs in the past, and it has worked out for them as they have adjusted.  So I think Fields can adjust as well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.

Fields is definitely talented and has the potential to be a really quality NFL QB

But the people(thankfully not too many) that have suggested at points this fall that he may be a better prospect than Lawrence are absolutely insane. It really isn't close, at all.