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Title: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 13, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
Nothing to say. Just starting the new season’s topic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 12:36:21 PM
Same ole Mitch
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 12:47:53 PM
What’s the point of drafting Dillon if you’re not going to use him at the 1 yard line.

One game in but looks like the Jordan Love pick lit a fire under Rodgers’ @$$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 13, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
I think it’s more the second year in this system.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 02:56:31 PM
Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.

Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
Pack kicked some a$$ today, impressive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
Lions doing Lions things.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 03:20:04 PM
Lions doing Lions things.
Maaaan Deandre Swift
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 03:33:20 PM
Mitch must be amazing in practice and Foles terrible in practice.

Regardless, mitch doesn't have it on game days. Bring in Foles next week.

I stand by this
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 03:46:33 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 03:53:42 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle outthinking himself.
.

Occam’s Razor.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 13, 2020, 05:46:11 PM
The MVP of the Chicago Bears today was the Detroit Lions receiver who dropped a sure touchdown with five seconds left in the game.

I mean, you had good Mitch and Bad Mitch on display for the world to see today. Good Mitch in the fourth quarter is why Trubisky started over Foles. Bad Mitch in the first three quarters, along with the Bears’ inability to score meaningfully from the Red Zone was why the Lions almost snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Someone needs to tell both of these teams you gotta play 60 to win. The Bears got lucky but against Green Bay or New Orleans, they’ll get carved up like a prime rib on Saturday night.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
Not sure if it was just sound mixing but us bank stadium was by far the quietest stadium today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 05:54:03 PM
Packers need to work on their 'we're up three scores with 3:19 to go' defense. Other than that....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Carolina had 4th and inches down a score under two minutes and decide not to hand it off to Christian McCaffery.
Matt Ruhle Rhule outthinking himself.

Ugh.

It was even worse than it seems because they actually had used the FB to convert a 4th down earlier in the game -- the same exact play -- so it's hard to expect that it would have fooled the D. And the earlier play had only gotten the first down by a few inches, so it's not like it was a great success.

This was a rookie NFL coach and coordinator overthinking things.

The Panthers have what look like some good young players, but it's gonna be a looooong season here.

It was an entertaining game, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Bengals with tough loss. Burrow had some rookie mistakes, but he also looked really good. I’m still all in on him as a future elite NFL QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 13, 2020, 07:31:01 PM
Derrick Henry's suit:

https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1305296581302902784?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 13, 2020, 08:16:00 PM
Minnesotan here.  I kinda forgot the Vikings/Packers game was on today and missed it. 

Reading the results, it's clear the team should start thinking about draft position, since there's nothing else meaningful to hope for.

MN's best path is to fake a COVID outbreak and end the season early. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 13, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
Fake noise at the Rams stadium is louder than it ever gets for the Rams in real life.


The fake fan noise at sporting events is annoying. Kind of like the canned laughter on the old sitcoms.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2020, 11:28:42 PM
Watching the majority of games this week, there’s no football reason for preseason football. At all.

You got that right!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2020, 05:55:24 AM
Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 07:52:35 AM
Like most others, I wasn't a fan of the fake noise. But I did get a kick out of the fake booing when the refs made a call that went against the Panthers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 14, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
Were the Vikings the only ones not doing fake noise though? Flipping to red zone to during commercials and then having it on the rest of the day the Vikings game was by far the quietest. Unless the fake fans just never had anything to cheer about.


You may have hit on something there. The time of possession was ridiculously in favor of the Packers (nearly 42 min to 18 min), so not many chances for the fake Vikings fans to cheer.

That said, I do wonder why the huge number of fake Packers fans who always fill US Bank Stadium weren't cheering more.  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 14, 2020, 09:35:54 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 14, 2020, 09:54:02 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.


It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game.  I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 14, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.

Actually, isn’t that a change for McCarthy? I thought he typically went for FGs instead of being more aggressive in the red zone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 14, 2020, 10:05:07 AM

It was with almost 12 minutes left in the game.  I'm not saying it was the right call, but I don't think it was THAT bad.

My bad. Was going from memory, for some reason I had 5:00 min on my mind. At 12 minutes it isn't terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 10:11:54 AM
Lions doing Lions things.
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 14, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.

Ha, I did the exact same thing.

Rookie RB trying to catch a game winning pass. He started to turn around to see where he was before he caught the pass. All he needed to do was keep his eye on the ball and he would have landed in the end zone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
Wow, dropping the winning TD pass.  I had to yell out a scream and I am not even a Lions fan.

Ditto.

I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
Different team same Mike McCarthy, passes up a FG to tie with about 5 minutes left in the game.

No one scores again, and the Cowboys lose.
Multiple Freak season ending injuries in week 1 is also a very Mike McCarthy thing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on September 14, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
Ditto.

I believe my words were, "You're fu@#in' kidding me!"

The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.

The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
Didn't see the game.  I have seen the replays.  Same old, same old.   Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 14, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
The first thing that crossed my mind was oh no, poor Tower.

The Lions truly do lose games in the weirdest, most heartbreaking ways.

I had the same thought.

It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.

Lions should trademark these ways to lose.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 14, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Didn't see the game.  I have seen the replays.  Same old, same old.   Gotta indoctrinate those rookies into the culture early.

Don't sell your lads short, tower. This was an even crazier meltdown than their typical same old, same old!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
I had the same thought.

It’s not bad enough to blow a 17 point lead late. Then you drive down the field and have a game-winning TD pass dropped.

Lions should trademark these ways to lose.

How do you trademark infinity?   It isn't that they lose.    They will.    No one ever went broke betting against the Lions.    It is the infinite variety.    If a single loss like this happened to...   the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars.    In Detroit, it is just week 1.      Something like this happens at least once every year.     Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta.    It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends.    The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired.    Calvin Johnson not finishing the process.    The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.     

Ya gotta embrace the stink.    Not take it personally.    Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose.    Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 12:46:44 PM
Tower, were you originally from Michigan?
If so, what city?
Just curious.  Worked and lived in Southfield and my mother was from Gaylord.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
I have lived in Michigan since 1971.    West side of the state.   I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 14, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
How do you trademark infinity?   It isn't that they lose.    They will.    No one ever went broke betting against the Lions.    It is the infinite variety.    If a single loss like this happened to...   the Cowboys.....Patriots..... Packers.... it would be talked about for a decade in bars.    In Detroit, it is just week 1.      Something like this happens at least once every year.     Golden Tate scores a touchdown against Atlanta.    It is overturned by an inch and because it happened in the last 10 seconds, there is a runoff and the game ends.    The Lions miss the playoffs by a game and Caldwell gets fired.    Calvin Johnson not finishing the process.    The only PI flag ever picked up in a playoff game.     

Ya gotta embrace the stink.    Not take it personally.    Marvel at the ability to dream up these stranger than fiction ways to lose.    Appreciate the sublime greatness for what it is.

I lived through being a Packer fan in the 80s, but the Lions do take it to a whole new level.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 02:11:36 PM
They should change their name to either the Washington Generals or the Wile E. Coyotes.

Beep beep
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2020, 04:04:53 PM
I have lived in Michigan since 1971.    West side of the state.   I was just near your mom's youthful stomping grounds.
Growing up, summer vacations were taking the C&O ferry from Milwaukee to Ludington and then the drive to Gaylord.
Good memories.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
Lions doing Lions things.

so this means everything is back to normal in the world for 2020, right?

My co-workers 18-year-old kid was texting me ribbing me about the game (Seahawks fan). During his lifetime I've seen the same number of Lions playoff wins as he has  - zero.

Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 14, 2020, 04:55:40 PM

Swift dropped a grand total of ZERO passes his final season as Georgia. Welcome to the Lions, kid.


‘Let’s throw it to the sure-handed kid….’
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.

Joff Okudah, the #3 pick in the draft, didn't play because he "wasn't ready" (the injury is an excuse) but a 5th rounder started.

Throw-it for Trevor? Losing for Lawrence? What's going to be the mantra this year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 14, 2020, 08:13:49 PM
Week 2, the more subtle part of the Lion's curse... already auditioning DBs off the street due to injuries.    Lion's DB is the Spinal Tap drummer of NFL football.

They probably could use a guy like Darius Slay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
Okudah has a hammy.   Slay was too tired of losing to stay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 12:56:03 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 15, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything

82 can relate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 15, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Dan McNeil tweeted that Maria Taylor dressed like she should be presenting at the AVN awards, not sideline reporting for MNF.  The justifiable blow black has begun. Hopefully this finally gets him permanently sent out to pasture. Parkins is bad enough without a meathead moron next to him who has nothing to add to sports convos but fishing stories, classic rock anecdotes, or bragging how he didn’t watch the games last night but taped them to watch after he got off the air that afternoon. But given they brought him back from irrelevant exile for a flipping midday spot, the Score likely doesn’t do anything

McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.

I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 15, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 10:20:23 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.

McNeil will hopefully be gone by the end of this week.

I can not stand Parkins. If he was an overnight host or in an off hour timeslot, he'd be fine. His takes are awful, he has a chip on his shoulder that he hasn't earned. That show is a terrible listen, hopefully this is the end.

Agree fully with both of you. Spiegel was clearly the better of the two IMO, so him being booted and Parkins essentially being promoted was baffling. I really liked Goff. I don’t think he played as well with the older white dude demo of the Score, but I thought he was really refreshing and he and Bernstein actually had some great moments. I thought he actually did a good job of pulling Bernstein out of crotchety old man mode and making him truly funny at times.

I’ve talked about it before, but Parkins and McNeil LOVE not knowing stuff and thinking it’s hilarious. Both live in their little bubbles and can’t speak outside it. Last time the Bears were in London, they had a whole 20-30 min discussion how it was probably hard for the Bears to find “normal” stuff to eat, and how bad British food was. And it wasn’t a gag, they were serious. Parkins with his “I did 5 days in Europe when I was 23” know it all schtick and McNeil being xenophobic as usual. It was awful, as their show normally is.

Can McNeil and send Parkins back to some smaller market where he belongs
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 15, 2020, 10:26:53 AM
Kickers:

https://twitter.com/joshdubowap/status/1305889187921448961
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 15, 2020, 10:43:54 AM
Dropping Jason Goff and Matt Spiegel, and bringing back Dan McNeil, was the end of my Score listening days.  I know Goff suffered in comparison to Boers, but they didn't give it time to gel.

Still listen to Bernstein. Way too pompous, but lots of good takes. But, McNeil is absolutely the worst. Never has a decent take on anything and his fishing stories are just as bad as everyone else’s fishing stories.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 15, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 15, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
I think Laurence has done a very good job since he took over noon-2. Earlier in his career, he was too much of a suck up to Boers/Bernstein (in my opinion), but I think the last few years, he's evolved into more of his own voice. His show is much better for it, and I think he's doing as good a job as anyone at the station.

I miss lawrholmes in the evenings.  Never get to catch his show in the car during the day.  He needs a bigger show, he's earned it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 15, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
McNeil has been fired.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 15, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
McNeil has been fired.

Ben Koo
@bkoo
This is to be expected when you’ve made a career out of looking for cheap yucks from an audience whose main advertisers are divorce and bankruptcy attorneys as well as erectile dysfunction solutions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 03:55:19 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 15, 2020, 04:24:13 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Packers will trade a young QB for him to improve the Bears starting lineup.

We'll miss you, Tim
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2020, 04:57:51 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”

This organization is such a mess
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 15, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
McNeil has been fired.

We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.

He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 06:00:22 PM
Trade him for a poor return and hear next year “why don’t the Bears ever have great WRs?!”

This organization is such a mess

Seems like the PERFECT time to trade Arob and Mack.

Go in next year with a rebuild.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 15, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
Welp...

https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=19

Update: no trade request

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1305998965620518914?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 16, 2020, 08:57:01 AM
We’re way too sensitive over a bad joke.

He should be fired for being the worst host on WSCR, not over being insensitive.

Probably not crazy to think there was a healthy helping of the latter and this gave them a convenient excuse to move on
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 18, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 18, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice


Good for him.

Wonder how many UGa fans will stop cheering for him now....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 18, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
TNF ratings last night better than last year's week two game.
Obviously viewers love when players make statements on social issues (because that's what controls ratings, I'm told).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 19, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
Damn you, Matthew Stafford.    Now I actually have to watch a Lion's game and root for you.   

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions-nfl-racial-injustice

I’m a big fan of Stafford. Think if he played with a competent line throughout his career he’d be recognized as a top QB in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 19, 2020, 06:44:24 PM
Competent line.   Competent defense, competent organization.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 19, 2020, 07:56:34 PM
Competent line.   Competent defense, competent organization.

Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 19, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Yes, but just in terms of how Stafford would be viewed I think simply the line would’ve been enough. And competent receivers beyond Megatron early in his career would’ve helped. I think Stafford is one of the more under appreciated players in my time as a football fan.

IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there.  Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 19, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
IDK. I think he’s an above average QB who just never quite gets there.  Maybe a Steve McNair with a worse supporting cast?

Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 20, 2020, 01:58:52 PM
Turns out the Viqueens just suck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
I think the Vikes should sign Cousins to a lifetime contract.

His QBR today was 15.9.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on September 20, 2020, 07:21:34 PM
Stafford is Phil Rivers minus the fun.
Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
Fair comp.  Archie spent a lot of his career running for his life, too.   Only guy on the team you had to game plan for.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 07:35:15 PM
Patricia and Quinn officially on the hot seat.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
Archie Manning. Plenty of stats, few wins.


Yep. Whenever I think of a quarterback with great stats and few wins to show for it, Archie comes to mind.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 20, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2020, 08:58:55 PM
So darn proud.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.


That takes quite a rare combination of talent and indifference.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on September 20, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.
Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 21, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
"Fox is poised to spend up to $2 Billion per year to keep Sunday Football lineup."

This won't go over well with the people aren't interested in the NFL crowd.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-21/fox-is-poised-to-spend-up-to-2-billion-to-keep-sunday-football?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 21, 2020, 10:41:50 AM
They have money to spend after dropping golf.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
ESPN pays nearly twice as much annually for MNF as NBC pays for SNF?

It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 21, 2020, 10:58:47 AM
Impressive but wait until my Vikings give up a safety in 10 consecutive games.

Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 21, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
It's for the rights to highlights, that's just as valuable (maybe more valuable) to ESPN than the MNF rights. The highlights fill so much content for them.

Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 21, 2020, 11:41:14 AM
Just an utterly shocking development that Kirk Cousins lacks self-awareness.


3 and counting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 12:13:40 PM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?

When you have Get Up, First Take, PTI, SportsCenter, and all those shows in between running 12 months a year, and they have to have content to fill, yes, ESPN/Disney has decided it's worth a billion a year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 21, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
Highlights are worth a billion dollars a year?

Yup, used to produce/edit clips for Perform to distribute to their partners.

Highlight restrictions are so ridiculously strict to the point where we had to edit entire 5 set tennis matches down to 30 seconds. Those rights are ridiculously important.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
Interesting. Especially since it seems like SNF has been getting the better matchups.

The NFL did ESPN a solid this year with a better schedule. Next week's Chiefs/Ravens game is on MNF, and arguably could be the game of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 21, 2020, 02:56:10 PM
Another first for the Lions. Today they became the first team in NFL history to blow double digit leads in 4 straight games.

And they fired Jim Caldwell for going 9-7.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Big East on September 21, 2020, 04:19:33 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on September 21, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

haha, that is some serious /r/nottheonion stuff
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 21, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
The Al Davis fake eternal flame is tacky as hell.  Perfect for both Las Vegas and the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2020, 07:44:14 PM
2020 Sucks, Part 7,443:

McCaffrey out 4-6 weeks with high ankle sprain.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 21, 2020, 07:54:58 PM
Classic Philadelphia Fans:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517378-eagles-qb-booed-during-home-game-by-fake-crowd-noise-in-philadelphia?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

Beautiful!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 21, 2020, 11:43:41 PM
NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 22, 2020, 08:06:24 AM
NFL fines three head coaches $100K each for not wearing masks on sidelines

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/21/nfl-fines-coaches-not-wearing-masks-coronavirus-carroll-shanahan-fangio/5861360002/

Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 02:10:32 PM

Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.



Yep. It's also pretty common to see people with the mask covering their mouth but not their nose. Might work for mouth-breathers, but....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 22, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
Funny sight regarding masks in last night games. All refs had a mask on, they run together to all conference, and immediately lower their masks when huddled in a group of 4.

Not sure they understand the purpose of the masks.

Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 22, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.
100% agree
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 23, 2020, 03:46:00 AM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.

Yep. Especially when they are tested daily.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on September 23, 2020, 07:24:04 AM
Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 23, 2020, 08:00:24 AM
Refs, umpires, managers, coaches, etc wearing masks outdoors are all just PR moves.

Next to impossible to get it outside. (Masks in domes, maybe?)  But optics and stuff.

When you are huddled close together in a circle and yelling at each other, not hard to get it at all outside. If you do that with an infected person, I promise you will have it too.

Now Sultan's point of them all being tested is valid, and I agree it is largely optics. But poor optics when the only time the camera is really focusing on them, they remove their masks while in a group.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jfmu on September 23, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
Monday night football week 2 ratings were up 26% from week 2 last year.

i think that's due to them simulcasting on abc
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
Bears stink
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
Bears stink

So do the Skol Viqueens.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:13:57 PM
Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 27, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
How soon after this game is the Falcons OC canned?

The entire staff should be. Quinn should have never been retained.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:23:18 PM
Falcons emulating Detroit, too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 03:24:58 PM
Bears stink

Falcons stink worse. Much worse.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 27, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
Super Bowl LI Corollary: Never count the Falcon's opponent out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
Is Foles in due to injury or ineffectiveness?

Ineffectiveness
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
Bears are frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
They have beat the teams they are supposed to.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Falcons stink worse. Much worse.

A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 27, 2020, 03:50:57 PM
Minnesota and Tennessee competing to see which can be more like the Lions.


So the Vikings ‘won.’
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 03:52:26 PM
But it was damn close.   Titans time management at the two minute warning was shameful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:08:02 PM
Bears are frauds

Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit.  :-\
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.

Settle down, Wades.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
Minnesota sucks. But at 0-3, they are probably better than 3-0 Bears. Hard to quantify the degree of sucktitude of those 2 teams, but they are probably better than Detroit.  :-\

There are pee wee league teams better than Detroit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
A whopping 4 points worse. Yuuuuge gap between the teams. More worse than any two teams have ever been separated by. We’ve never seen anything like it. The biggest gap in history.

3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 27, 2020, 04:29:09 PM
3-0 vs 0-3, so the yuuuugest gap possible at this point of the season. So, yeah, yuuuuge.

Shoot, man.  Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0.  Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 04:52:00 PM
Shoot, man.  Bears 1 of 4 teams that are currently 3-0.  Can't argue with that, undoubtedly one of the four best teams in the NFL.

But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.

Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.

A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 27, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
I had always been impressed by Mike Zimmer, but he's really been bad this year.

Of course, not as bad as extending Cousins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 27, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
But they are well-coached. Nagy knew trubisky was the better QB. Big improvement from last year. Knows the offense better.

Nagy might need a couple eyeball transplants.

A clash of titans. Quinn vs. Nagy.

That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.

A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 05:48:13 PM
That was a Ryan Pace decision to start Trubisky at the start of the year, don’t kid yourself.

A head coach doesn’t pull a QB who is 2-0 to start the season if that’s “his guy”

You’re saying a coach has no say in who plays? Or some say? Or only say at certain positions?

Ain’t buying it. A coach with any self-respect would quit in a second. He would also lose all “cred” in the locker room. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 27, 2020, 06:09:13 PM
Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 27, 2020, 06:18:29 PM
Unless I blatantly missed the reason why, it was embarrassing the Bears didn’t have a patch for Sayers on their jerseys today.


Agreed. Even as a Packers fan, I recognize and respect the greatness of Gale Sayers. When an all-timer like him dies, there is no excuse for not doing something to honor him in the next game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 27, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Reports in Chicago are that Nagy pulled Trubisky not just because of the interception but also because of two overthrows in the first half.

His problem with Nagy was that Trubisky could not thread the needle on the deep routes. He tends to be ineffective unless he's running a dink and dunk offense. It's too bad because he is a good kid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2020, 10:11:28 PM
Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 27, 2020, 10:25:32 PM
Adjustments and second halfs are night and day year over year. Packers first drives last season were always really good and then they just stalled. Now they’re scoring at will in the second half. LaFleur and A Rodg looking good in year two.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 28, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Unless Foles gets hurt, the Trubisky “era” is over.

Devastated. I was rooting for him to play just well enough to get a fat extension
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 28, 2020, 09:18:20 AM
So just how awful are the Giants this season? The 49ers were missing TEN starters, including QB, RB, WR, and TE...and they still blew out the Giants 36-9 in NY.

On the plus side, they're only one game out of first in the NFC Least.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 28, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 28, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
There seems to be more bad teams than usual in the NFL this year. Even teams that have winning records like the Titans, Bears, Rams etc. I'm not totally convinced on.

Fully expecting KC to roll through everybody this season if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 10:44:09 AM
Giants and Jets are probably the two worst teams right now.

After tonight, 19 teams will have scored as many or more points this season as the Jets and Giants combined.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
Bears are frauds

Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.

That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
Example. Bears beat giants by 2 on a questionable last-second defensive stop.

That same giants squad was rolled by a 49ers squad missing 10 starters including their QB.


Example 2.

The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 02:00:42 PM

Example 2.

The bear's vaunted "#1" defense has given up more yards in the 1st 3 games than Green Bay's "built for a shootout" defense.

Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that

Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on September 28, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 28, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?

I think it's a nice way of saying a defense so bad that the team can only win with a torrid offense.

Think Marquette basketball 2016-2018.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Sarcasm. That’s why it was in quotes.

Oh

Then your example makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
Source for the bears being the "number 1" defense?

I certainly don't think anyone in this thread has said that

Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.

Thanks, pakuni. Hyperbolic is a better term than sarcastic, but the point remains the same.

Sarcasm isn’t bad though. I listen to WSCR a lot (because all Wisconsin sports talk radio is so bad), and they are always going on and on about their Championship defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Every decade or so, the Bears have a team that has a horseshoe up their backside.  It appears we have reached that time.

Here’s the thing about NFL defenses thus far, they all stink
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 28, 2020, 03:38:06 PM
Well, ESPN did label them "Elite."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29811646/chicago-bears-2020-season-preview-elite-defense-only-carry-far

As did Fansided
https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/nfl-season-preview-chicago-bears-2020/

The Athletic put them in the top 5.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/08/chicago-bears-defense-ranks-5th-in-nfl-the-athletic-ranking/

So, obviously Jockey was being intentionally hyperbolic, but suffice to say the Bears' defense has not yet lived up to the hype.

Am I missing something here? The ESPN article you cited had the Bears Defense FPI index at 7. The other articles call the Bears a top 5 defense. I think the word "Elite" is being generously thrown around here, first by the person (not Dickerson) who put the ESPN headline together, and then by The Athletic and whoever Fansided is.

They're currently 9th in PPG (they'll most likely move up to 8 at the end of this evening), 7th in sacks, 4th in takeaways, 1st in passing touchdowns against. For context's sake, they are middle of the road in YPG, rushing TDs against.

Small sample size for everyone.

Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 28, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone? 


I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

Ya.

I can't remember who, but a fairly knowledgeable football guy on twitter yesterday said as soon as Foles came in the Falcons stopped run blitzing as they had to respect the whole field.

The Falcons stink.

But defenses will have to treat the Bears differently with Foles under center.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2020, 04:07:13 PM

I think it just means that they are a defense that relies on creating chaos and turnovers rather than one that is "stout."

IMO, I don't think the Bears D is "stout" either. They're coached and constructed to play with a lead and pass rush like crazy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
No Bears fan is saying this is a great team, but it’s an infinitely more interesting team with Foles.  I’m a huge Bears fan, but I watched yesterday’s game like I watched the second half of the Giants game, with Red Zone on and following the PBP on one of the sports apps. You know exactly what they are with Trubisky. However, I flipped it over immediately once Foles came in. Cause at least there is some potential and intrigue.  They have weapons, I’d love to see Foles not waste A Rob any more.  And the defense really seems to take cues from the offense. There’s almost like a “what’s the point” vibe when the offense is sputtering (which is entirely on coaching obviously).

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

I agree. It’s a playoff team if Foles stays healthy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2020, 04:41:37 PM
Do I think they are elite? No. Is any NFL defense this year elite? No. But they aren't awful like they are being portrayed here.

Nobody is saying they're awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2020, 04:50:33 PM

I’m sad for Mitch the person, cause he seems like a really good guy who handled this with class and poise. But from a football perspective, I’m thrilled. He just didn’t have it and hopefully he can find it under tutelage elsewhere.

Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.

I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.

I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 28, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
What does "built for a shoot out" defense even mean?  I know Collinsworth mentioned it during the broadcast.  Does it mean let a runner break several tackles and dance into the end zone?

Extrapolating from the evidence, it means making exactly one play per game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2020, 08:16:57 PM
I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.

Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 28, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Actually, so am I. He is a regular at my Parish in the off-season and by all measures, a decent, well-meaning and caring person.

I wanted him to be successful because football life in the Midwest is eminently more interesting when the Bears and the Packers are competing for dominance in all of football.

I know the Bears have been quarterback challenged since Bill Wade retired but, geez, this guy was drafted in the top eighth of the draft. He had to have something special. That, or the Bears were idiots.

He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed  the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 28, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
Unfortunately it’s the latter. They were the guy looking for love at the bar. You have the gorgeous chick who won pageants and beauty competitions but for some reason they assumed her beauty would soon fade (Watson), the late bloomer who was unassuming in HS but had become super attractive and was potentially going to become the most beautiful girl from her class when all was said and done (Mahomes)...but the Bears became enamored with the chick that randomly appeared and drunkenly danced on the bar. Nobody knew much about her but she was flashy and seemed like she COULD be a all out hottie, so they paid off the dudes standing close to the bar with shots and beers to get to be the one to catch her when she drunkenly slipped off the bar top

I think Mitch was more of the girl that gave you a beej in the library, then you wanted to check out obscure periodicals for no damn goid reason.

Mitch is too dull the be the drunk girl on the bar.

Otherwise i like your thought process. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 28, 2020, 09:09:15 PM
Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
He only started one year at UNC. People were enamored with his arm strength and physical stature. That’s why Russell Wilson fell as he did, he failed  the eye test while Trubisky passed it (as did Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Paxton Lynch, Sam Darnold...).

Reminds me of Rick Mirer of Notre Dame drafted (I think) 3td overall by the Seahawks a number of years ago. Like Trubisky, he was big, fast and had a strong arm. His biggest drawback (like Trubisky) was that his strong arm was not especially accurate. Oh, and (like Trubisky) he didn’t really have a “feel” or instincts for the game. How teams overlook those two things when drafting QBs is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 29, 2020, 10:07:47 AM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 29, 2020, 10:45:09 AM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

Congrats to the Bears on finishing this year undefeated.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 29, 2020, 12:18:53 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on September 29, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
There's a reason why practice squads were expanded to 16 players this year.

MLB had expanded active rosters, 60 man clubs and taxi squads and still shut down the Cards & Fish for a week.  Will be interesting to see what happens in TN & MN.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 29, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.


Vikings have stopped practices while they figure out how to handle the possible exposures.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/29/vikings-stop-practice-after-titans-players-test-positive-for-covid19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on September 29, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Thank you, Donald Trump, for bringing back football. I am, indeed, very proud of you.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on September 30, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
8 people in the Titans organization tested positive. 3 players.

It will be interesting how the NFL handles this. They can’t do double headers like MLB.

Titans\Steelers game has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 30, 2020, 08:24:48 PM
Titans\Steelers games has been pushed back until Monday or Tuesday.


I don’t understand the benefit of a one or two day delay since people might not test positive for several days after exposure. They might just as well play on Sunday....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 30, 2020, 08:26:25 PM
Probably because of the quarantine window.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on September 30, 2020, 08:37:25 PM
the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love.   aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense.  he's gonna show the young fella how it's done

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 30, 2020, 08:47:42 PM
Probably because of the quarantine window.


In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2020, 08:23:16 AM
the big apple likes aaron, but i beg to differ about his concern for jordan love.   aaron is more familiar with and liking matt's offense.  he's gonna show the young fella how it's done

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/sports/football/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers.html


I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
NFL says Steelers-Titans game won't be played in Week 4 after two more positive tests

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30015123/nfl-says-steelers-titans-game-played-week-4-two-more-positive-tests

And here we go....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on October 01, 2020, 09:46:16 AM

In most cases I have seen, the window used is 14 days. I thought the players and staff just tested positive a few days ago.

14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 01, 2020, 10:16:05 AM

I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.

I think we are seeing Rodgers do a better job of taking what the defense gives him. His time to get the ball out has dropped significantly. I’m thinking he’s a lot more comfortable with the system and receivers.

It sounds like Rodgers is taking Love under his wing. I saw an article about how active he is in meetings explaining what he’s seeing to the other QBs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
14 days went out the window months and months ago. Its usually 3 to 7 now.

CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 01, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html

With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
With the frequency of testing the NFL players get, does that shorten the timeframe? I figured the 14 days was in lieu of getting tested.


It might shorten the time frame a bit. But it still often takes several days from exposure until the test turns positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
AP source: Titans’ outbreak now up to 17 with 3 more results

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-nfl-tennessee-titans-minnesota-vikings-football-1d47b23f90eb64c79b229c148bd16f83

Another Tennessee Titans player and two staff members tested positive for COVID-19, raising the team’s total to 17 since Sept. 24, a person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press on Saturday.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because neither the NFL nor the Titans had announced the latest results.

This is the fifth straight day that at least one member of the Titans’ organization has had a positive test result return. The Titans placed a cornerback from their practice squad on the reserve/COVID-19 list on Sept. 24.
...

The Titans had hoped to return to work inside their own building Monday or Tuesday. But with continued testing still returning positive results that propect is at risk as is the Titans’ next scheduled game, Oct. 11 against the Buffalo Bills in Nashville.


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Given that positive tests can continue to roll in for a week or two after exposure, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
Cam newton covid positive
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2020, 10:53:28 AM
Cam newton covid positive

I just saw that.

I don't know what he did to get it. Maybe was somewhere he shouldn't have been. But I still feel badly for him. Here's a guy who did absolutely everything he had to do to rehab from a number of injuries, he joined a new team and fit in right away, and he was having a great season for a team with SB aspirations, and now this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 10:56:57 AM
Chiefs practice squad QB positive
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 03, 2020, 11:16:47 AM
This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2020, 11:42:26 AM
This season ain’t ending unless they bubble up.

They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 11:49:45 AM
They said the same thing about MLB when the Marlins and Cardinals had outbreaks. If they have their measures in place, they will weather this just fine.

Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.

And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 12:31:17 PM
And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?

No, because the NFL’s broadcast partners aren’t going to let that happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
And just like the initial NFL statement on the Titans' outbreak, they are talking about moving it to 'Monday or Tuesday.' Totally irresponsible, and inconsistent with CDC's quarantine guidelines for direct contacts.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
And in the end everyone didn’t play the same number of games. Will the NFL do the same?

Unlike baseball, there's nothing (such as the weather) stopping the NFL from extending the season, if necessary. If they need to push the playoffs back to February and Super Bowl to March, they can. Heck, they can push it into April or May. Not like the stadiums and hotels are going to be booked up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on October 03, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
Baseball can play doubleheaders. And back to back game days.

And the NFL can extend the season by a week. Sonething much harder in baseball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?

No bueno.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
At some point they may just take “your 14 best results” and move on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 05:01:33 PM
So if a team misses 3 weeks due to covid either on their own rosters or their opponents rosters they’ll play “weeks 18-20.” And the teams that played all 16 games as scheduled and get a 1 seed need to sit 4 weeks between the end of their regular season and their first playoff game?

No bueno.

If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 05:05:45 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.

Indeed. The same reason they're playing in the first place.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Let me put it this way...

There’$ a rea$on the NFL and CB$ want Pat$/Chief$ played thi$ week and not added on after week 17.

Yup.

If the choice is that or walking away from millions in TV revenue ... what do you think?
I think no one is eager to let perfect be the enemy of good.

I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
Yup.

I think their choice would be a few random games don’t get played but they get a 17 week season and a full Playoff schedule.

There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 03, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
There's nothing special about a 17-week season. And there's no reason there won't be a full playoff schedule.

I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.

I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 05:57:57 PM

I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.



I think that's the key. If their playoff spots are locked in, it could be one of those games where the teams don't take risks, rest their stars to avoid injuries and nobody cares who wins. But if playoff positions, home field or the like are on the line, it could be ratings gold.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
As long as they get the 17 weeks in, the NFL won’t extend the season for a handful of missed games. Most people who were going to watch Pats / Chiefs are just going to watch Bills / Raiders instead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2020, 06:32:19 PM
Won't someone think of the fantasy football implications????
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 06:58:13 PM
I’m not sold the NFL would be thrilled to have a Patriots vs. Chiefs game by itself in “week 18” when their playoff spots may already be locked in.

I don’t see the NFL just extending its regular season as much as long as it needs to to get all 16 games played for every team in the NFL. Again, I don’t think it’s in the NFL’s best interest to have a team sitting 3-5 weeks between their last regular season game and the start of the Playoffs while other teams are playing their makeup games.

Bingo. There isn’t a chance in hell CBS is going to give up one of their biggest games of the year to have it be possibly meaningless in Week 18.

Every year, one network gets the short end of the stick on scheduling and this year it was CBS. With a re-negotiation taking place, and CBS already forfeiting an early window next month for The Masters, the NFL will do everything possible to play this game this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on October 03, 2020, 10:21:43 PM

I think it's a little of both.  Apparently Rodgers, Lafleur, Hackett and Getsy spent days on Zoom calls taking about the offense...what worked...what didn't...and how to improve it.  I think that is what you are seeing.

I am sure though that a lot of this was motivated by the Love draft.

 i'd be cool with that.  next year,  trade up for lawrence and keep the fire going ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on October 03, 2020, 10:32:37 PM
CDC still says 14. If people are following 3 to 7, it might be a factor in the recent surge in cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html

  nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-

" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."

 https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 03, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
  nothing is set in stone as we are constantly learning more about this virus-

" That said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has established minimal criteria for your return to whatever passes for “normal life” these days. If you’ve been sick with COVID-19, whether your illness was confirmed by testing or symptom-based criteria, the CDC recommends that you remain isolated for at least 10 days after your symptoms first appeared AND at least three days (72 hours) after recovery."

 https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/recovery-covid-19-how-long-someone-contagious


My post was referring to quarantine time since exposure.

Your post talks about something totally different; quarantine time since symptoms appeared and the patient recovered (assuming the person develops symptoms).

The CDC‘s guidance on a minimum of 14 days after exposure has remained unchanged for months.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2020, 11:35:25 PM
Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 04, 2020, 07:05:54 AM
Saints/Lions on verge of being postponed tomorrow. The NFL is going to quickly create 32 hotel bubbles this week.

Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 04, 2020, 08:20:14 AM
Appears that the re-test was negative so the game will be played as scheduled.


Good news in the short term. Still hope they go to hotel bubbles so they have a better chance of getting through the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 04, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Weekly update: bears are still frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 04, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 04, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
Thank god for the Sunday Ticket, or that would have been a brutal three hours of my life.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2020, 06:39:02 PM
Foles almost threw about 5 interceptions last week, so it's hardly surprising that he was mediocre (at best) today.

He's a journeyman -- pretty much the definition of the term -- who was in the right place at the right time a couple years ago. But I don't blame the Bears for trying him. Trubisky obviously isn't the answer.

The Bears are very fortunate to not be 0-4. Looking forward to when the Panthers get to play 'em in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2020, 07:28:03 PM
I guess I can see why they initially went with Trubisky.

But he still made multiple throws and reads that Trubisky never would. Doesn’t make him great, but shows how rough the options are. 

Then again, it probably didn’t matter with what Nagy was play calling. 3rd and 1 in a close, still winnable game? Let’s run it with Patterson, not on an end around but up the middle. Umm what?  Not to be out done, decides to go for it on 4th and 2 from his own 25 in a 2 possession game with basically the entire 4th quarter left.  What does he call?  Deep throw to David Montgomery.  I mean what?  Bailed out by a PI but what a horrific set of decisions.

To quote Denny Green, coincidentally also about the Bears, they are who we thought they were
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 04, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?

I can’t see it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2020, 07:42:11 PM
Will they keep Pace around to draft their next QB?

I can’t see it.

Not a chance.  Given the success of the passers chosen behind Trubisky, there isn’t a sane owner who would give Pace another shot at it.  He went all in and came up bust. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 07:58:11 AM
Zero positive tests from the Titans today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 09:38:28 AM
I’m shocked neither of the Patriots or Chiefs have had additional positives. That’s really good news.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 05, 2020, 04:12:37 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2020, 04:25:27 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2020, 04:25:59 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.

I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
I’d say it’s a good gig since you have the QB in place but their draft board next year is grim.

Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
Yup, just a good WR away from having a nice offense.

Funny.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 05, 2020, 06:03:29 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.

Bill O'Brien's trades:

Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th

Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Bill O'Brien's trades:

Got: Laremy Tunsil, David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, Kenny Stills, Jakob Martin, Barkevious Mingo, Gareon Conley, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th

Lost: DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Davenport, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Wow. Several Scoopers would be better NFL GMs than him. And I'm not joking.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 05, 2020, 08:05:14 PM
The Houston Texans have fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and GM, all at once.


Well, they did just lose to the Vikings. Seems like an appropriate response.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 08:43:27 PM
How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
How bad has AJ Dillon been in practice that they refuse to use him on goal line runs?

The play was poorly blocked not matter who the RB was.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 05, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
Nice timeout Dan Quinn
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Nice timeout Dan Quinn

Goodness gracious that was awful. That’s a McCarthy special.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 05, 2020, 10:03:24 PM
He was a decent coach but a terrible, terrible GM.  Really has set that franchise back.

What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 05, 2020, 10:04:01 PM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?

Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 10:16:06 PM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?


You’re nuts, Wades. It’s Jimmy Graham every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 05, 2020, 10:49:59 PM
What a quiet disaster of an organization too. He just got the GM hat last year! Literally everyone agrees that his personnel decisions have been a series of complete disasters, but lord, have a sense of organizational direction. Whatever the fever dream that leads an owner to put all that faith in him shouldn’t evaporate after four games.

Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked.  Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.

Like... what the hell.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 05, 2020, 11:00:17 PM
We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
We are seeing so many plays that McCarthy could never even dream of running.

Yep, the last couple years, offense was unbelievably stale under him. 

Impressive they’re rolling this way even without Adams too. Fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2020, 11:19:33 PM
Sort of reminds me of when the Packers didn't want Holmgren to be GM and head coach so he walked.  Then after a year of Ray Rhodes and one year of Mike Sherman the team was like... you know what, let's let Mike Sherman be GM and head coach.

Like... what the hell.

That decision was on one guy, Ron Wolf. Wolf was undeniably great for the organization, but what a 💩 to finish a great career.  And Harlan, really didn’t want to sign off on Sherman having both jobs, but he had such trust in Wolf.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 06:34:47 AM
Who would you rather have, Kittle, Kelce, or Tonyan?

Also, how many rings do the Packers have if they have LeFleur instead of Big Mac for Rodgers’s entire career?
They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 08:15:05 AM
They've been fun to watch, but realistically their competition so far have been collectively awful.

Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:18:34 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:20:17 AM
BTW, after not really watching much of the Falcons over the last couple of years, I've now seen them in back to back weeks.  Two thoughts:

1. They should have fired Quinn after last year.  Not sure what hanging onto him has done.

2.  Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.

I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2020, 08:31:21 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.

And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.


I don't really get hung up on this stuff after four games regardless.  The Packers are good.  Is this season going to be "special?"  We will see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
2.  Matt Ryan is still good, but his arm looks like it's lost a lot.
Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
Wait, is this a joke? I have been waiting for this post. 17-3 in regular season games 18-4 overall is not because of poor competition. They still have to win those games.
So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 06, 2020, 08:56:05 AM
That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 09:16:44 AM
That throw to Ridley that Amos broke up in the end zone at the end really highlights how good Rodgers is. Ryan was on the move to his right and got nothing on the throw. Rodgers would have had that in there for an easy touchdown. His arm strength is just ridiculous.
Rodgers can flick it 20-25 yards with his wrist alone, like a classic power hitter in baseball. Ryan, OTOH, appears to be trending towards end-stage Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 09:27:29 AM
And Rogers dumped dat broad finely, eh?
You get what you get when you date a Bear fan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 06, 2020, 09:34:23 AM
I'm pretty sure he means just this year.

Anyway, we will know after the break more about the Pack.  @Tampa, @Houston, v. Minnesota, @San Francisco.


A little bit more maybe...but probably not much, since the upcoming opponents look only marginally better than the first four.

Houston (0-4) is as bad as any team GB has played, and GB has already beaten MN (1-3). Tampa (3-1) has a decent record...but they lost to NO and their wins are against teams with a collective 4-8 record. SF (2-2) looks worse than Tampa, with losses to teams that are 3-4-1 (Philly?!?) and wins over the 0-8 Giants/Jets.

If the Packers lose more than 1 of those games, then yeah - we will have learned something. But if they go another 4-0 or 3-1, it'll just be more wins against so-so competition.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on October 06, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
So Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta, and NO are NOT collectively awful? Outside of playing each other they have a collective 2 wins, one of which was against the 0-4 Texans.
So the Packers dont have a 51 point margin of victory in those games.  Never mind, not worth arguing the point, Sultan is right only 4 games in. The eye test looks pretty good to me though
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
Through a quarter of the season, the Pack is the best team in the NFC. Shouldn’t be too much angst out there. A lot can change over next 13 weeks, but if they stay healthy and with their favorable schedule, they should be a legit one seed.

It’s not the Packers fault that the North plays the bad AFC South or the mediocre NFC South. They’re taking care of business with little doubt.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on October 06, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
I know, but that same weak argument was made all of last year. At what point do you say, Yeah they are a good team, without making excuses.  BTW Packers margin of victory highest in the NFL. So its not only that they are winning, but how they are winning and the improvement in Rodgers and the offense.

That same "weak" argument was true last year. The packers were probably the weakest 13-3 team in 50 years. The barely squeeked by against very weak teams, usually with blown calls going their way. Then they got anhilated twice by San Francisco. Down 34 to 7 at the end of the 3rd in the nfc championship.

This year so far they are much better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 06, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
Agree, most of his throws looked like floaters. I also thought his decision making was poor at times. Definitely on the downside of his career IMO.

It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.

It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on October 06, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
It’s like he knows his arm is bad too. The number of check downs he throws is insane. Plays clearly set up to take deep shots, and it’s not like Ridley or Julio can’t get open, and Ryan seems to set, second guess himself, and throw a dump off or short pass across the middle.

It also doesn’t help that Dan Quinn is a buffoon
Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 06, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 06, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
Yeah, I think the virtual crowd noise is silly. It's rarely *actively* distracting, but it's never a benefit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 06, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.


Yep. Same with basketball, baseball, whatever. It's like the canned laughter of the old sitcoms.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 06, 2020, 03:41:52 PM
On other thing.  The virtual fan noise is really starting to get annoying.  I've watched hundreds of games at Lambeau Field and the difference between what an actual crowd sounds like and the fake crowd is huge.  Just keep it silent.

I agree. Do the networks stick with it becuase they want to keep the low level on-field audio, and its the only way to drown out all the problems the censors would have? E.g. the NFL broadcasts want to keep enough of the on field audio to make out the QBs' hard count, the lines smacking against each other on the snap, that type of thing.  But even at that low level, without any other ambient noise, how much cussing would the mics also pick up?  Maybe they need some kind of crowd/white noise to both keep the same level of field audio and also stay on the FCC's good side?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 06, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
Yeah, that is in part what I meant wrt decision making, and you are right it is probably sometimes due to failing arm strength. He was constantly checking down when ATL needed to rip off big chunks to have any chance.

Ryan is no quick thinking genius. He uses s hard count to get GB to jump offsides and then just slides for a 2 yard gain. There is never a reason not to throw downfield when that happens. What was even the purpose for Ryan’s hardcount?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Two more Titans players test positive, putting their second straight game in jeopardy, and another Patriots player tests positive so practice has been halted.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060584/source-tennessee-titans-player-tests-positive-coronavirus

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30060441/source-new-england-patriots-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-covid-19-no-practice-team

Where is the NFL on creating hotel bubbles?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 07, 2020, 02:14:45 PM
Titans broke protocol and held practice.

Now have more positive tests.

How should they be punished?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
Titans broke protocol and held practice.

Now have more positive tests.

How should they be punished?


Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 07, 2020, 02:49:34 PM

Whenever either occurs: Individual(s) who break protocol should be suspended w/o pay. Team should forfeit games.


https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week

The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week.  I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive.  That's going to happen.  But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.

And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC.  Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 07, 2020, 02:55:17 PM

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/titans-broke-protocols-gathered-for-a-workout-last-week

The Steelers should be awarded a forfeit for last week and the Bills for this week.  I would not say this if protocols were followed and someone simply happened to test positive.  That's going to happen.  But an egregious breaking of protocols should be punished in this manner.

And BTW, those players who were determined to have been close contacts with Cam Newton should not have been able to fly to KC.  Now NE is going to have a mess on their hands.

I'm on board.  Unless the Packers do this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 07, 2020, 05:35:11 PM
I'm on board.  Unless the Packers do this.


Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 08, 2020, 08:13:55 AM

Yeah normally I’d be with you on that. But with the skyrocketing rates in Wisconsin (and particularly the northeastern corner of the state), the Packers should be walking around in hazmat suits right now.

I was just joking. :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 08, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 08, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JaredStillman/status/1314298836022632451?s=19

That would sure send a strong message (and the right message).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 08, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
This officiating crew sure loves their camera time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 08, 2020, 09:52:12 PM
They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 08, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Defense was impeccable that second half and it was still barely enough. Gonna be a very up and down season for the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 08, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 08, 2020, 10:58:59 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.

Also 0-2 in the handshakes with BDN
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 09, 2020, 01:34:53 PM
The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 09, 2020, 02:04:49 PM
The 2020 Bears are a poor man's 2019 Packers.

Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.

Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
Uh. This doesn't make any sense to me.

Do the Bears have a HOF QB I don't know about?

Sid Luckman has been spotted warming up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 09, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result?  ;)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 09, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
So would the 0-4 Jets consider it a good thing or bad if the second test confirms the positive result?  ;)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test

Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Brady apparently can't count to 4 anymore. Didn't realize it was 4th down on the last play.

That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 10, 2020, 07:01:06 AM
That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.

Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 10, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
Both he and his coach told media afterward that of course he knew what down it was. So makes mistakes, blames others, and won't even admit when he obviously made an error.


I thought Brady said something like "like it was poor execution," which was him basically admitting he forgot without him saying he forgot.

Ariens said "of course he remembered" which, although completely false, was the right thing for a coach to say.

Anyway he made a couple of nice throws early but as the game wore on, his accuracy and zip seemed to slip.  It's gotta be tough to be one of these older quarterbacks, who have so much understanding of what a defense is trying to do and where they want to go with the ball, but they are physically not able to do what they used to.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 10, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
That, after yelling at teammates for making mistakes.

He also threw a bunch of shytty passes.

Looked 43.

His yelling was after Ryan Jensen played maybe the worst drive I've ever seen from an individual OL, so that one felt justified. But to your point, he looked an awful lot like a game manager
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 11, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
They really need to go to Thursday night games being between two teams coming off their bye weeks. Give them 10 days off between games, and then you get another 10 day break before you play again. As it is, the product almost always sucks with just 3 days off between games.

So Buffalo has to play Tennessee Tuesday night and then turn around and play Kansas City on Thursday?  When was the last time an NFL team had to play two games in three days?  Seems insane/unfair.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 05:53:36 AM
They moved the Thursday game to Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 11, 2020, 08:00:50 AM
Another TN staff member tested positive. Time to make them start forfeiting games. Lost revenue, sure, but for the sake of the whole pie
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2020, 08:09:11 AM
New England and Tennessee shutting down their football compounds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Broncos-Patriots cancelled.  Adjust your fantasy rosters accordingly AMD call your bookies ASAP
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 11, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.

Time for a football bubble?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
Put Kushner in charge.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
And thus ends the fantasy that teams can/should plan to play only a couple days after players test positive, when they clearly have been in close contact with other members of the team. You would have thought that the White House lesson was clear enough, but no. Maybe they will take this more seriously now that numerous games are in serious jeopardy of being cancelled.

Time for a football bubble?


Priority one for the NFL and its owners is protecting the shield.  Players and personnel are well down that list
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 02:59:08 PM
First-place Panthers!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
I guess Mahomes isn’t invincible after all.

We’ll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
In retrospect, here is what the NFL should have done with its schedule.

Each team plays 15 games over 17 weeks.  No inter-conference games.  There are AFC only bye weeks in November and December.  Ditto the NFC.  Any games that need to be postponed are moved into those weeks.

Having an early bye week makes no sense.  What are the Packers going to do if they, or their opponent, has positives now?  The NFL didn't make any schedule adjustments and here we are...

Then they need to take a week off after the season and move into postseason bubbles in different locations a la MLB.  I don't know what they are going to do if they have positives during a playoff week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 11, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
Sounds like Dan Quinn is finally on his way out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 11, 2020, 05:40:43 PM
Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 05:46:34 PM
Why would they not have put him on a stretcher and lifted him onto the cart? Or at the very least pull the cart right up next to Dak? Having had a pretty ugly ankle injury in middle school, I can’t imagine them handling that any worse. It’s obviously excruciating no matter what, but any movement is going to be an absurd amount of added pain. Trying to hold his leg while he hops 10-15 feet over to the cart? What?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 11, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.

This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?

12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 06:58:34 PM
12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.

Where?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
We’ll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.

Totally agree. I was being goofy. If I had to bet today, I’d bet on them to win it all again.

Meanwhile ...

Panthers better without McCaffrey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
Where?

Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.



Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 11, 2020, 07:33:47 PM
Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can’t find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.

Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2020, 07:56:22 PM
Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight’s game and tomorrow night’s game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.

The Draft Kings line was up before the season. Once the Season started they would either adjust the line or stop taking bets on the prop. Maybe the only way to play it now is with a book who will allow a big open ended parlay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 11, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
The Vikings, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 10:32:26 PM
If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 11, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.

I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2020, 10:55:48 PM
This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.

100%
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 11, 2020, 11:04:13 PM
Looks like the Vikings are trying to out-Lions the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 07:47:03 AM
I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He’s the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that’s your move at home in front of 80K fans when you’re on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it’s just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.


I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 09:46:07 AM

I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.

I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 12, 2020, 11:13:03 AM
I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.

One other aspect is Matthison was killing them on the ground. He had a gaping hole but missed it.  Kicking the FG gives Seattle 20 yards of field position with a touchback and them needing a TD anyways. Then you get into OT with Seattle who have played a much better second half.

Maybe I’m scarred by the Packers giving up so many tying/losing touchdowns at the end of games, but I think going for it was the right call. Russ just showed why he’s a top flight QB. Going for it was the only way to have the chance of him not touching the ball again.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Part of this is the culture that decries risk-adverse coaches.  But of course we then criticize them when the risky move doesn't work out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on October 12, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
It was the right decision, IMO. Game over if you can get a yard. Seahawks have a chance if a FG is attempted, make or miss. End the game when you get a chance. Unfortunately the RB just missed the hole.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
Again, I'm saying what I would have done. I fully understand the rationale for going for it. You make the foot, you win the game. It's understandable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 12, 2020, 01:13:32 PM

Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.

People who kick the field goal are science deniers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.

People who kick the field goal are science deniers.

I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.

That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 12, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Now that Quinn is gone, how much time does Zimmer have left?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 12, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
Ordinarily, I would agree with the decision to go for it. However, they were playing a backup RB. He had been having a great game after Cook’s injury, but still that’s a lot of pressure to put on an inexperienced player’s shoulders.

Then again, I’m glad they lost, so I fully support the decision to go for it, even with an inexperienced RB.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 12, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
This Saints team has 8-8 written all over it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 12, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Brees doesn’t look very good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 12, 2020, 08:41:54 PM
Brees doesn’t look very good.


Age has a way of catching up with people. Both Brady and Brees are great quarterbacks, but they clearly are well past their prime.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2020, 09:12:59 PM
Would love to see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.

Fixed it for myself.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 12, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
I love you.
All the world loves a lover.
You are all the world to me.
Therefore, you love me.

That was one my Logic 1 prof taught us. I tried it on a few girls; it finally worked on one of them! 37 years later, she's starting to think she was scammed.

Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.

Sorta like

God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
Facts instead of junk (all the world loves a lover? Really?) change things just a little.

Sorta like

God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God

Well ... duh!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2020, 01:19:33 AM
Would love to see have seen Chargers win not blow this effen game.

Fixed it for myself.

It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.

This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.

My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 13, 2020, 09:26:55 AM
Fortunately (?) for the Jets, it was a false positive.
At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks.  Do what Cleveland did.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 09:34:40 AM
It’s fascinating how many coaches in this league just have zero ability or understanding of how to play with a lead.

This is the second week in a row that the Chargers went into halftime with a lead, with their young QB playing well and confident, and Anthony Lynn went into the second half deciding to run the ball and eat clock. Do that in the 4th up 10-14, sure. But I can fathom how these coaches don’t try to attack in the 3rd with what’s working.

My best friend is a Browns fan, and it’s the same issue. Scoring 20-30+ pts in the first half and then letting your opponent back into the game late as you play not to lose, instead of going for a win. They’ve pulled the last 4 games out, but not without worry


Yep. Going into the prevent offense too soon has cost teams many games over the years.

It also happens in college hoops. <Cough - four corners - cough>
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
At this point the Jets need to get that 0-16/1-15, get that first draft pick and trade it for a slew of picks.  Do what Cleveland did.

If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 13, 2020, 10:29:16 AM
If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 11:05:18 AM
If the Jets get the first pick, they should and will draft Trevor Lawrence.
Nothing matters more to a team's long-term success than having a franchise QB. Sam Darnold ain't it, and you don't pass on a potential generational talent at the position.

And if I’m Trevor Lawrence, I ain’t going there unless they have a competent new GM and coach
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.

The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.

If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
The Colts were crap when Manning got drafted. Same with the Cowboys when Aikman got picked. Broncos sucked when Elway went there. The Panthers were brutal when they got Cam. Etc etc etc. All took their lumps. That’s way more likely than a rookie lighting it up for a very good team.

If the Jets think Lawrence is the best, they should draft him -and they probably will.


The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.

But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 13, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
The Lions were terrible before they drafted Stafford.   Oh, wait...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 02:57:31 PM

The Broncos were one season removed from a winning record when Elway forced the Colts to trade him.

But the Colts and Cowboys made wholesale front office and coaching changes before drafting Manning and Aikman. If the Jets don't do something similar and they hold the #1 pick, I'm either pulling an Eli Manning or I'm going back to school. There is zero way I am tying my future to Adam Gase if I'm Lawrence.

Broncos were 8-8, 10-6, 2-7 (strike) previous 3 seasons. I'm not gonna get into a silly Scoop semantics war. I said they "sucked" before he went there. 2-7. But sure, at 20-21 previous 3 seasons I'll happily move to "mediocre" for the sake of harmony.

Good points about the staffing changes on other teams. The Jets certainly should be looking to do the same, but maybe they won't.

I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.

I think we probably will get to see, because the Jets sure as shyte ain't winning many games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
I disagree.  A franchise QB would be wasted with this roster.  A quality QB on this roster, with its poor O line and no running game and no weapons would get pounded and potentially ruined.  Look at what happened to Shane "Footsteps" Falco.  I don't like Darnold much either, as he too often misses receivers on the rare occasions they are open, but he's never been given a real chance with a competent team.  As a Jets fan, I'd actually feel sorry for Lawrence if the Jets drafted him, unless they let him back up for a year and let Darnold take the lumps, which this franchise would never be patient enough to do.

What MU82 said.
The Bungles have pretty much the same roster as last year, but just adding Burrow - who's not the prospect Lawrence is - has made them competitive.
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB, especially not one seen as the top QB prospect in a decade.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2020, 05:07:55 PM

I would think it would be difficult for Lawrence to turn down the trappings of NY, but maybe he will do what you say. They don't have great leverage, though. For every Elway or Eli situation, there are lots of Joe Burrows who just go where they're drafted.

If there is anyone who may be the one to turn down NY, I feel like it could be Lawrence. From small town Georgia, very religious, already engaged to a GF that doesn’t even go to Clemson. Now many have started on that path and veered sharply once fame and riches of the big show beckoned, but on paper I could see it.

Burrow I think was also unique cause the Bengals allowed him to be a hero in his home state after not having the chance at OSU
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 05:54:18 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 06:15:31 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....

Lawrence is light years ahead of the guys you mentioned but your point stands
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 13, 2020, 07:10:39 PM
Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Agree the Jets should take Lawrence if they have a chance...but I also agree that he very well could become just the next in a long line of 'sure-fire' QBs who went bust. See, e.g., Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, etc, etc.

It takes a unique mix of talent, chemistry and coaching to get from here to there....

None of those guys were considered surefire.
And Lawrence isn't surefire either, but he's the closest to it since Luck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 07:14:49 PM
I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta.  (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
I think a better comp for Lawrence than those three knuckleheads is a guy like Marcus Mariotta.  (Although he has a stronger arm than Mariotta does.)

You think so?  I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 07:39:09 PM
You think so?  I think he’s a lot better than Marriotta and I like him a lot.   


I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 07:41:18 PM

I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta.

Gotcha!  Agree on that, too
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 08:11:57 PM

I just mean from a headcase comparison.  Comparing Lawrence to three guys who were clearly headcases is odd because he seems nothing like those guys.

I agree that he is better than Mariotta.


I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.

With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 13, 2020, 08:17:09 PM
So where does Le’Veon end up?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 08:17:59 PM

I was not comparing their mental stability. I was comparing the way NFL teams were talking about them being franchise-saving QBs before the draft.

With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy easy to that Lawrence is better than any of those guys. But at the time, all the players I mentioned were viewed as guys who had a very real chance of turning franchises around. Just like Lawrence.

And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations. 

I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 13, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2020, 08:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.

And the play officially never occurred due to offsetting penalties.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 08:48:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Titans/status/1316168490752118785?s=20

Oh.


Reminiscent of the time Bo Jackson carried Brian Bosworth into the end zone. Don’t think Boz even slowed him down…
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2020, 09:38:32 PM
And in fairness to the guys you mentioned, they ended up in bad spots and situations. 

I think Lawrence is the surest thing since Peyton Manning but if he ended up with the status quo Jets, it would be quite the feat to turn that mess around

In his rookie year, Manning threw a league-worst 28 interceptions and led his team to a 3-13 record.

But I think the pick worked out OK.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 10:44:54 PM
Saints unhappy with New Orleans, so they're going to take their ball to Baton Rouge

Maybe they should go to Gainesville.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 14, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.

Counterpoint: Justin Fields couldn't take playing time from Jake Fromm.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 14, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
Just because Kirby made a poor decision...

And I say that with understanding WHY he made that decision at the time.  But in retrospect, it wasn't the correct one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 15, 2020, 12:04:11 AM
In my opinion, I don't think the dropoff is far from Trevor Lawrence to Justin Fields. Part of me thinks Fields ceiling might be higher and he hasn't hit it yet. If I were an NFL GM, I'd be happy with either.

Fields needs to improve his decision making. He made some really stupid throws last year. He has a bit of Terrelle Pryor in him being just a freakish athlete and being able to overcome some stuff as a result of that. But I do agree that he projects very well if he lands in a good spot
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 15, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 15, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Falcons shutting down facility after 1 new positive COVID-19 test

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-falcons-shutting-down-facility-after-multiple-positive-covid-19-tests-124712638.html

Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Looking at the body of their work, they should probably just shut down for the rest of the season.

Wait ... you mean they haven't shut down their season already?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 15, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
Can you shut down something that never really started in the first place?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
Fair point. I sit corrected.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 15, 2020, 01:36:35 PM
RIP Fred Dean.
Died after going to the hospital for COVID.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 16, 2020, 10:01:42 AM
Vaughn McClure, who covered the Bears for the Tribune when I was in Chicago and most recently has been the Falcons reporter for ESPN, died at age 48. No cause was given.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30122237/vaughn-mcclure-espn-atlanta-falcons-reporter-dies-48

Vaughn was a very good reporter and a great guy.

He is the third journalist I knew well to die in the last 2 1/2 weeks. Bill Rood, who hired me as a columnist with Copley and later became a Tribune executive, died at age 78 on Sept. 30; and former AP hockey writer Ken Rappoport, who probably was the nicest person I've ever met in journalism, died earlier this week at 85.

Man, 2020 sucks.

Interesting side note ...

Bill Rood probably is best known for writing a detailed defense of John Kerry after Kerry had been "swift-boated" during the 2004 election run-up.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0408220342aug22-story.html

There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago--three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 18, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
Absolute unnatural carnal knowledgeing gift of a touchdown. Brutal.

Refs have been terrible in this game. Horrible interference call on each team, and an awful roughing the passer call. Need to drug-test the refs!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 18, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 02:50:20 PM
Horrible reffing. Horrible football. Turned in decade old Shark Tank episodes instead.

Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 18, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.

Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
So the Vikings just gave up 40 points...at home...to an 0-5 team.

Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes?

Jets might not win a game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 18, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
Agreed. Ugly as sin. Panthers and Bears fans are only ones subjecting themselves to this torture

I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.

Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
Wow. Thanks for not running the ball, Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Shyte. Doesn’t matter.

Bears D better than Panthers O. Deserved to win.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 18, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
Moot point but I really don’t understand how Aaron’s rush wasn’t a td.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 18, 2020, 04:03:47 PM
Football's Boo Birds Are All Cooped Up

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/sports/football/philadelphia-eagles-fans-boo-jets-giants.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

NFL fans in the Northeast, lusty booers in normal times, have had to watch their teams' dim performances Fromm afar, without recourse. "I have no way to release my venom," one Jets fan said.

-------------

Might be time for yoga or meditation.....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 18, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
Jets might not win a game.

Can they fire Gase at halftime? Lifeless doesn’t even begin to describe that team right now
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 18, 2020, 04:39:56 PM
Badly missed offside on Rodger’s 2nd INT
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 18, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
Ass kickin', aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 18, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Ass kickin', aina?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
I turned it off for a Pittsburgh - Cleveland pukefest.

Has DJ Moore ever played wide receiver before today’s game?

During the 3-game winning streak, he was outstanding. He sucked today. Could have made up for it if he held onto that last one ... but alas he didn’t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 19, 2020, 07:43:21 AM
Ass kickin', aina?


They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on October 19, 2020, 08:44:24 AM

They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.

Hard to compare bc this year they were all stuck in GB (or maybe Door Co / Dells / Blue Harbor) vs somewhere sandy & warm.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 19, 2020, 10:22:14 AM

They got the doors blown off last year at San Francisco coming off of a bye too.  Makes you wonder if LaFleur and/or the players aren't handling the off-week well, especially in light of Rodgers' comments about not practicing well this week.




Rogers sucked major ass, too. He threw off his back foot often and probably was rattled with the hit (spearing) at the goal line, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 19, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 19, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
Mike Vrabel's intentional 12 men on the field penalty yesterday was brilliant. I've thought about that scenario before, and don't understand why more coaches don't do it. Houston is not going to decline that penalty, they're already in field goal range. There was nothing to lose and all to gain by intentionally taking a 12 men on the field penalty and pocketing the 40 seconds with the defensive penalty clock stoppage.

Vrabel looks and sounds like a meathead, but he's turning out to be a really smart hire.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 19, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 19, 2020, 11:09:06 PM
I know their QB is out, and the o-line is banged up, but this Cowboys team just flat out sucks.

And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 20, 2020, 08:38:27 AM
And yet they may be as good as any team in their division.


Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place. 

This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history.  Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 20, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
The Cardinals gelled a bit in the 2nd quarter, but that first quarter was some of the worst NFL football you will ever see.  Cowboys were terrible but the Zona offense was beyond out of sync. The announcers mentioned Murray was hyped up to play back home, but he looked like he didn’t even practice with the team the last week and change with how bad he was missing WRs.   McCarthy has his work cut out for him cause my goodness they look terrible.

Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management.  That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 20, 2020, 08:59:31 AM

Again, my belief is that a division winner needs to be .500 to make the playoffs, unless there are no other .500 teams to take their place. 

This year's NFC East may be the worst division in NFL history.  Considering their history, that is quite an accomplishment.


Agreed...but it ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 20, 2020, 03:23:09 PM
Speaking of terrible, he’s the defending SB champ and has a juggernaut again, but it’s good to see Andy Reid hasn’t lost his charming “what in the hell is he thinking” clock management.  That sequence to end the first half was something. Not using TOs when they sacked the Bills even though they had 3. And then further not using any getting the ball back with Mahomes and almost 2 min on the clock and a full compliment of TOs and then not using any until you were under 40 seconds. The Kelce fumble and brain dead defensive lapse almost leading to a FG would have been fitting

So that's where Nagy gets it from, huh?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 21, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
ITS TUA TIME!!!!!

I like it.  I have been worried that Miami would rush Tua, and while this is still a bit earlier than I'd like to see him in there, it seems to be coming from a position of strength.  Fitzpatrick has been fine-to-good, they've won 3 of 4 with the loss an 8 pointer to Seattle, and they're arguably in playoff contention in a weak AFC East.  They had their bye moved to this week from week 11 due to schedule reshuffling, so that probably plays a role here too, but the time seems right enough.

Also, there is no overstating how much it helps to have as cool a customer as Fitzpatrick on the other side of this. If Tua starts taking too much punishment or starts losing confidence, I think Miami could go back and forth between them without having a true QB controversy.  A lot of credit for the Dolphins' ability to bring Tua along at his own pace goes to Fitzpatrick.  If he doesn't want to hunt a starting job for a QB needy 6 win team this offseason, I hope Miami finds a front office landing spot for him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 23, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
After a week of listening to the Seahawks try to sell an Antonio brown signing as a redemption tour he’s headed to Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
I don’t like smug Sean Payton very much but I do like the way he coaches. He just went for a TD on the last play of the half in a situation that probably the other 31 coaches would have kicked a FG.

Defense has been optional in this entertaining Panthers-Saints game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 25, 2020, 01:39:21 PM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.


True. Somehow, they even managed to make the Washington [          ] look pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 25, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Davante Adams is so good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 25, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 25, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
Davante Adams is so good.


Yep. Crazy good stat line today. 13 rec for 196 yards and 2 TDS.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 03:28:55 PM
The last hour of football is what makes Sunday Ticket totally worth it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2020, 03:31:02 PM
The last two weeks, the Lions have beaten a really bad team and a team that is out choking them this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.

Dish

I was just about to post the same thing. Newton is as bad as Brady is good. And Brady is really, really good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 04:45:24 PM
JJ Watt is done
Deshaun Watson is being misused.

I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.

Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 04:58:33 PM
Belichick forgot how to coach.   8-)


Every coach needs great players to win - even great coaches.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
The Cam hot takes through the first couple of weeks were always dumb. He’s terrible, there’s no way of sugarcoating it.

Sad to see Cam struggle like this, but glad that if he has to struggle it's for the Patriots!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2020, 05:30:52 PM
I said the same thing about Watt a couple weeks ago. Just a guy, now.

Watson definitely needs an innovative coach (LaFluer, Shanahan, Nagy, etc.) to reach potential.

You think Nagy is innovative?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
You think Nagy is innovative?

I do. The problem is that he is not a good head coach. As an OC, I think he could do great things with Watson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2020, 05:43:48 PM
Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 25, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.

Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.

I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years.  I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 25, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
Herbert and Burrow are both going to be very good NFL quarterbacks. People are talking like Lawrence is already Peyton Manning in his prime, but I don’t see him as that much better than Burrow was going into the draft last year.

Also, people say Lawrence needs to go back to Clemson if the Jets end up picking first this year. Okay, so what does he do when the Jets go 1-15 next year and get the #1 pick again? Now you’ve wasted a year of earnings and you added a year into your career where you’re stuck on the Jets. And even if the Jets don’t wind up with the top pick without Lawrence, you’re going to end up with someone like the Jaguars. Your team is going to be in a terrible position no matter who it is.

If I’m Lawrence and the Jets don’t make changes, especially the head coach, I’d Eli my way out of there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 25, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Wonder if the Stephen Gilmore trade rumors (to Chicago) pick up steam this week.

Seems a bit unnecessary. I mean obviously would take him in a heartbeat if the price is right but do the Bears even have enough cap room?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 25, 2020, 07:22:04 PM
Lawrence would be dumb to stay in college and those telling him to stay in college because the Jets might draft him are even dumber.

I’ve seen Badger fans bragging Graham Mertz is going to start for the next 4 years.  I’ve got news for them, I’ve he’s as good as they think he is, he ain’t going to be in Madison for very long.

Mertz might not start next week.  Positive covid test.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 26, 2020, 09:55:35 AM
Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on October 26, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
Ya mite cee dudes tryin' ta get da rona if it helps their draft stock like Mertz, aina?

Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 26, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.

Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 26, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?

 ;D

Actually, though, it will be 2years if he develops into the QB they think he will be.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 26, 2020, 12:18:46 PM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?


Covid long-hauler. Then he's gonna resort to bleach and UV light injections and be miraculously cured.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
I heard a great comp on the radio today for Kyler Murray.

Allen Iverson. Like Iverson, Murray has burst and speed that is apart from anyone else including Watson and Jackson.

Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.

I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 26, 2020, 01:27:07 PM
Mertz is going to have a 3 year battle with caronavirus?  And then get drafted by an NFL team?

Being a skill player in that offense sets you back about that long
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
Agreed, whoever came up with the comp is spot on. I have no idea how Murray does it, there's no way he's 5'10''. His rushing though is fantastic, and maybe it is because he's so short, but the angles he takes and the way he moves is like no other rusher (I'm not even talking just rushing QB's). He generally avoids hits, throws a pretty good deep ball. Just really fun to watch.

I'm glad Burrow and Hebert both look like superstars. I love watching NFL football, no matter who's playing, and games are so much more fun when more teams have star QB's. For a position that is the hardest in sports, and for certain teams (Bears, cough cough) that have a hard time finding true star QB's, the more star QB's there are, the better for football. That game last night was so much fun. That throw Wilson made to Lockett on 4th and goal in the 4th quarter, across the field to the back of the end zone...that throw and catch were perfect.

IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
IMO, not as good as his earlier deep pass to Lockett for the TD over the outstretched arms of Peterson. That throw was ridiculous.

Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.

Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Bears are still frauds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 26, 2020, 09:56:26 PM
Both were crazy great throws. I thought the one I picked was better (splitting hairs here) simply because of how Wilson had only 15 yards to drop a perfect dime in to Lockett, and it was across the field. The amount of room for error on these throws is next to nothing.

Not neglecting the receivers either here. Some of these catches where guys drag their tip toes, hold on to the ball while being blanket covered, next to the sidelines, it's ridiculous.

It’s amazing how Lockett has went from a burner deep threat to a legit discussion as a top 10 WR. He’s just remarkable with his footwork.


As for the Bears, Trestman was a joke but I’ve not hated a coach like I hate Nagy. His arrogance and baffling game mismanagement is just something else.  Just went turnover on downs from 1st and goal from inside the 5 and never once looked to Robinson. Just a joke
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 27, 2020, 07:36:04 AM
Hot take...right now the Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL.
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 27, 2020, 07:45:07 AM
What is bad about the Cowboys IMO is that the strength of that team just a couple of years ago, the offensive line, has gotten old and hurt quickly, and the replacements aren't there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 08:45:14 AM
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.

Last 20 games record:

Jets 7-13
Cowboys 7-13

One of the Jets 7 wins...versus Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on October 27, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
You haven't seen the Jets yet, have you?  They did lose by single digits Sunday (18-10) for the first time this season, so I suppose that is something to build on.  Their point differential is 50 points worse than the next worse team.  Cowboys are dreadful, though.

Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.

Do you get to play the Bears this year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on October 27, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Ahem, as one of the few Jets fans here, I cannot let this stand.  They also lost by 9 to Denver.
Wow, a fellow sufferer.  I stand corrected.  I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
You think Nagy is innovative?

I was wrong. You are right.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
I was wrong. You are right.

I’m not here to defend Nagy, but he doesn’t have much to work with.  Kmet looks like a dude and ARob can play but the rest of the skill players aren’t very good, especially the QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on October 27, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Wow, a fellow sufferer.  I stand corrected.  I guess this past Sunday was merely the first time they finished a game within a single score of their opponent.

Accurate.  And yes, the stat I had heard was the first single-possession game result.  Sadly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 03:16:50 PM
In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.

I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.

I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.

Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason

2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid

2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara

2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.

2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder

Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).

In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.

The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.

Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
In Nagy's 40 games as head coach, the Bears have scored above 21 points a total of 16 times. If you take away defensive scores, and go just with the offense, that number goes down to 12 times in 40 games that the offense has scored above 21 points.

I may have been the Neil Armstrong/Rosa Parks of the "Nagy is a fraud" club. Some of you old timers on this board will recall me calling him a fraud during his first season (when he won NFL Head Coach of the Year). There were things I just saw with my eye test that led me to believe he is a poor play caller and designer of offensive schemes. Nagy is like a bad blackjack player. He'll split 10's against a dealer holding 6 one hand, and the next four hands, he'll hit on 16 against a 4.

I haven't forgotten about his boss, Ryan Pace either. I'll give Pace some credit, he's done a good/decent job on the defensive side of the ball. More hits than misses there. But the below is really, really bad.

Since Pace took over in 2015, his offensive draft picks for the first three rounds:
2015 - Kevin White, 7th overall, next WR taken Devante Parker (White is out of football)
2015 - Hroniss Grasu, next C taken Shaq Mason

2016 - Cody Whitehair - No issue, he's been solid

2017 - Trubisky - Traded up one spot and also sent 2017 3rd, 4th, 2018 3rd (!!!)
2017 - Adam Shaheen (45th overall), next TE taken Jonnu Smith
The #67 pick, that the Bears traded to SF (then got traded to NO) was Alvin Kamara

2018 - James Daniels #39 overall - he's ok, but Courtland Sutton was the next pick, which leads to...
2018 - Anthony Miller #51 overall - Pace trades a 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder here. Between the Bears pick at 39 and 51, wideouts taken are Sutton, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis. The 2nd round pick the Bears give up ends up being Mecole Hardman. Awful, awful, awful.

2019 - David Montgomery #73 overall - Pace trades up, also picks up a 6th rounder, but swaps the third round with NE, and sends a 5th rounder and 2020 4th rounder

Over his tenure, Pace's has traded up three times. Discounting the same round swaps, he's surrendered the following: 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks, and a 5th round pick for Trubisky (DNP last night, 5th year option not picked up), Miller (averaging 3 receptions and 29 yards a game...a guy who's teammates voted him "Most Likely to Show Up Late For Practice"), and Montgomery (Bears currently dead last in the NFL in rushing yards).

In his six seasons, Pace never uses a pick in the first three rounds on an offensive tackle. Instead he's paying Bobbie Massie top ten tackle money and Charles Leno Jr top half of the league tackle money.

The McCaskey's won't do it, because they are by no means progressive, but everyone should go. To say the Bears are frauds this year is complimenting fraudlent people everywhere.

Burn it to the ground already, enough is enough from both Nagy and Pace.

Appreciate the info, Dish.

Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
Great post, Dish.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 03:47:54 PM
Appreciate the info, Dish.

Do you still have any contacts in chicago? What's the talk inside Halas Hall?

No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 27, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
If D'Andre Swift holds on to that pass on the goal line, the narrative of two teams changes.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 04:42:33 PM
No, my time there was 20 years ago now, and the guys/gals I worked with are now either gone or retired. I'd imagine inside Halas Hall the kook aid is being drunk on their 5-2 record, but anyone with a set of eyes knows this is not a 5-2 team. The next two weeks should be rough, Sean Payton hasn't lost to the Bears since 2008, and I'd imagine Derrick Henry will run circles through the Bears in two weeks.

Typo? Or Freudian slip?

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
DEAD ON, NAILED IT POST

You established a beachhead on Nagy early and never waivered, kudos. I fought you on it cause I was refreshed to see some “modern” wrinkles in the offense and in general some promising signs after the moribund end of the Lovie tenure and dumpster fire which was John Fox.  But Nagy has taken this team to a place where my desire to watch them is more in line with a 2-3 win mess of a team, not a team that’s finishing with 8-9 wins.

Nagy’s arrogance and stubbornness is what grinds on me. See what McVay and the Rams do with Robert Woods running the ball? It’s usually well timed and schemed (fumble for TD not withstanding) and it’s pretty effective. Contrast that with Nagy running Patterson. Starting him in a single back position, running him between the F-ing tackles, or slow sideways stretch runs, just terrible. Hell, the 4th down run that got completely and utterly stuffed yesterday? He already tried that same play with Patterson early in the season with the same damn result. Couple that with terrible game management like coaching scared and not calling a TO in the first half and you get a joke of a HC.

Also, there is no way it was a “miscommunication” between Griese and Foles when Foles told him he knew certain play calls wouldn’t work before they were ran cause of timing. That was CYA by Foles for saying too much. More classic Nagy “smartest guy in the room who is actually not that smart” nonsense

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.


It’s also why you see a great defense start to fold in certain games. They run out of gas/generally get demotivated when the offense isn’t helping drive their pass rush.  It’s beyond frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 27, 2020, 06:31:59 PM
Monty in the backfield and QB under center? Monty run up the middle.

Patterson in the backfield and QB under center? Patterson run outside.

Any other formation/alignment is a pass.

I don't know actual percentages, but I bet that's ridiculously close to being accurate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2020, 06:54:16 PM
Typo? Or Freudian slip?

Ya. Bears defense appears to be built around stopping the pass/rushing the QB. Not well-positioned for a team whose offense can't put up tons of points.

Good catch, typo on my part.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 01:20:13 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 01, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.

Can't throw the ball downfield much in 30-40 MPH winds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
Not sure why the packers are opting for a grind it out game against such a decimated Vikings secondary.


The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 01:56:28 PM

The offensive game plan isn’t the problem.
True. Defense is so soft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
Pathetic and apathetic showing from the packers today. Vikings defense is decimated and they can’t do anything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 02:18:00 PM
True. Defense is so soft.

Hopefully, this is Pettine’s last year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
Classic case of PI and refs pick up the flag.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 01, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Packers terrible today.

Also, probably one of the most obvious pass interference calls, and they pick up the flag.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 01, 2020, 02:39:49 PM
Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?

Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.

The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 01, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
Ass kickin', hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 03:02:55 PM
All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 01, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 01, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
Sack fumble on a 3 man rush. Unbelievable.

Receivers have to get down there. He was almost sacked against the Lions when he completed the Hail Mary. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
All the holes and needs and packers draft a Qb3, RB4, and TE3.

With a lower salary cap next year and Jones and Williams becoming fee agents, I think the Dillon pick was OK.

The Love pick was brutal - I didn’t think he was special in college, and I think he projects as a Trubisky comp. You can’t punt on 1st round picks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
That's seven straight losses for the Packers on time change weekend. Weird streak.

That is a really out there stat, interesting find.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on November 01, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Minnesotan here.  Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 01, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Minnesotan here.  Vikings plane redirected to Disney, they won their Superbowl today, no other games matter.


The trip pretty much ends their season anyway, doesn’t it? Between Green Bay and Orlando, they are bound to have a major Covid outbreak.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 04:52:26 PM
Wtf is Chuck Pagano doing? Garbage defense with 1:30 to go in the half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
This Bears third quarter has been...interesting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 01, 2020, 05:56:24 PM
Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.

It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Bears need to trade for the first or second choice in the draft and get either Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.

It would cost a fortune but without a quarterback, they’re hopeless. The Bears also need offensive linemen, B A D L Y

They need to root for Houston to lose and hope Tua plays well. Miami has the Texans pick and they will demand a king’s ransom but it it might be worth it for a number of teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 06:15:16 PM
Wrong.

Bears need about 3 OL picks before even considering ruining any potential QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 01, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
Refs getting caught up in the Soldier Field mystique!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
This bears offense is so, so bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 01, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
This bears offense is so, so bad.

Yet, infinitely better than anyone in the NFC East.

Man, the Dallas/Philly game is terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2020, 05:37:12 AM
Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 02, 2020, 06:33:06 AM
Blue Hens beat da Cowboys, aina?

Now that’s funny, Doc.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:02:01 AM
Opposite effect of the mystique causing refs to give Packers calls they don’t deserve when there are no fans in the stadium?

Glad the Packers and 9ers game is a Thursday. Things can get weird with Thursday night games. 9ers would beat the Pack by 17+ if it’s a Sunday game.

The lack of speed on the Packers is incredible.


I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUfan12 on November 02, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
They've lacked speed and physicality on defense for the better part of a decade. I thought Gutey might fix it, but it's not looking great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 02, 2020, 10:16:35 AM

I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.

I have been a doubter of Gutekunst since day one.  I just don't see it.  You have a team go to an NFC Title game, have some huge holes exposed, and your response to it is to...draft a QB3, RB3, (your 2 strongest positions), TE4, and don't have a 4th round draft pick.  But hey, at least you addressed the ILB by signing an ILB that has always been hurt.  And guess what?  He got hurt in GB, too.

He came in and spent a lot of money on the defense right away.  But is the defense that much better than it was when Ted was the GM?  It's better against the pass, but if you're smart with your game plan all you have to do is not make your average or bad quarterback throw the ball down field and you win.  Look at what the Bucs, 9ers, and Vikings have done, and the defense really doesn't stop anyone.  They can't stop the run, they can't get to the quarterback, and they can't create turnovers.  Not a recipe for a great defense.

On the offensive side of the ball, he seems to love good size with no speed, athleticism, or hands at the skill positions.

Packers will rack up wins in the division like they always do, get a 2 or 3 seed, and get the doors blown off by a team with speed defensively and discipline offensively in the Playoffs.

And having Mark Murphy as your president doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:21:31 AM
I don't necessarily mind the idea of picking Rodgers' successor in the draft in concept.  I'm just highly doubtful that Love will end up being worth the pick.

But yeah, the rest is pretty spot on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 02, 2020, 10:23:34 AM

I am actually increasingly of the belief that Gutekunst isn't getting it done.

Jaire Alexander looks like a stud CB, Savage will pan out well as a S, and Jenkins looks to be really nice on the OL, but there hasn't been a lot of "above replacement level" talent drafted in the three drafts he has overseen.  And it's clear that Jackson and Burks are just busts from 2018, as well as Gary from 2019.

The best players have either been FA signings, or were acquired by the organization prior to him getting the GM role.

I think Gary is going to end up being a solid player who has a long career. My concern is that he's going to start playing well year 4 right when he's due for more money. He was always going to be a project and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn into a player after leaving GB.

Agreed with the rest.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:31:38 AM
Well apparently AJ Dillon has tested positive.  So who knows what's going to happen this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 10:45:37 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on November 02, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.

Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 02, 2020, 10:57:03 AM
What the NFL should have done scheduling-wise:

**14 game, conference only schedule played over 17 weeks (Six division games, four games against everyone from another division, four games against two teams from remaining two divisions.)
**Dedicated NFC and AFC bye weeks in November and December to play make up games.
**Last week held for any remaining games with playoff implications.

Bubble in two locations for playoffs.

**NFC plays Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Wild Card round
**AFC plays Saturday, Sunday, Monday
**First seed joins to play normal Saturday, Sunday double headers in Divisional Rounds
**Championship games stay at those locations
**Super Bowl played with one week off.

But what about the pro bowl???
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 02, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Very strategic move by the Pack.  Covid outbreak.  Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 02, 2020, 11:04:26 AM
Playing that many games on the same field though... Come Monday that field is going to be trashed.


I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 02, 2020, 08:47:22 PM
Still a full half left, but another game that makes no sense. Giants completely handling the Bucs. Brady looking terrible. Bucs mismanaging the game while Daniel Jones has been calm and clinical.

Their schedule is fortunate in this regard, but not that surprising to see a 43 year old QB struggling in cooler temps. But man Brady has been terrible. Missing on their second drive over the middle to put them nearly in the red zone. Incompletion to a WIDE OPEN Evans who torched his man cause Brady wobbled it in there. Throwing short of the sticks in bounds on 3rd down to end the half. Yikes. Maybe weeknight football doesn’t work with the TB12 method
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on November 02, 2020, 09:12:23 PM

I was thinking domes with artificial turf like Indy or Dallas.

Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2020, 05:58:50 AM
Can even artifical take that kind of abuse?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM
With a few minutes left last night, Bruce Arians opted to kick a FG for an 8-point lead rather than go for it on 4th-and-a-foot; had the Bucs made it, the game would have been over for all intents and purposes.

The Bucs made the field goal for the 8-point lead but the Giants drove down the field, converting several long 4th-down passes, and scored a TD. However, the Giants failed on the 2-point conversion when Brown passed too late to hit an open receiver.

Mike Zimmer faced almost the exact same decision last month in the Vikings game against Seattle (something several of us discussed on Scoop when it happened).

Zimmer decided to go for the half yard rather than the chip-shot FG for the 8-point lead, the RB was stopped, and Russell Wilson marched the Seahawks down the field for the win.

I believe "the sheet" says that Zimmer played the odds better than Arians did. I hope that's a comfort to him.

FWIW, I would just about always kick there and take my chances on the opponent being able to drive 75 yards, score a TD, get the 2-point conversion and then beat me in OT.

It's a fun discussion, kind of like the defend-the-3-or-foul debate in basketball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 03, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2020, 05:18:52 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.

If the price was truly a second rounder for Fuller, I can see why they didn’t bite.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
And once again the Packers do absolutely nothing to help Aaron Rodgers.

I won’t know how to react until Aaron Nagler and Jason Wilde defend the front office
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 03, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.

It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.

Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 03, 2020, 07:21:54 PM
The real issue Packer fans should be mad about is picks 26 & 62 were used on assets adding minimal value to the 2020 roster, when this should be win now mode. If one is upset they didn’t get Fuller for a 2nd rounder, it’s hindsight to look back and see Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Claypool, Mims, Shenault go from picks 22-59.

It’s not like it was just one guy either, all those guys are good and have good ceilings.

Trust me, as a Bears fan seeing them pick Kmet (jury far from coming back), it’s silly they took him with all the wideout talent on the board.

Hey man, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahck you
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on November 04, 2020, 01:47:28 PM
Very strategic move by the Pack.  Covid outbreak.  Can't play the 9ers in SF and get smoked by a team throwing the ball 6 times against them for the 3rd time in roughly a 12 month period.

49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive.  At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 04, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
49ers have closed their team facility today after at least one player has tested positive.  At this point, the game is still on for Thursday though.

Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 04, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
Why would they not push it back to Sunday? Both teams have cases. By the time they push it back GB will be in SF.


Because Fox wants a Thursday game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2020, 10:13:48 PM

Because Fox wants a Thursday game.

I could start at QB tomorrow night for the Pack, and that game would be played. Fox and the NFL are not moving this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
Ironically, the audience could get significantly cut if there is a Presidential announcement this evening.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 05, 2020, 10:03:53 AM
With the covid warning signs coming out of SF and the stakes for the NFL/FOX to play tonight's game, it feels like Green Bay has a much higher percentage likelihood of playing the game tonight than the Jacksonville game on the 15th - which is kind of messed up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2020, 03:22:03 PM
The Bears have zero healthy backup QB's on their roster, and are basically down to two healthy offensive linemen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 07:53:14 PM
Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.

Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
Wow. This is one weak-a$$ Defense. Petrine needs to go.

Savage has yet to show me one thing that made him a 1st rounder.

I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.

And on offense. Davate and ???? 

This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
I’m not a fan of the guy but there isn’t much talent at all out there. The inside LBs are slow. The Smith Bros have slumped.

And on offense. Davate and ????

This looks like a team in decline with a quarterback keeping them competitive.

Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 05, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Aaron Jones and a great o line. Aka basically all Ted holdovers. Seriously, Ted left Guty with a great o line, an all time great QB, and a top 5 RB and WR to build upon. And the offense has just declined.

I meant as receivers but yeah you are correct.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.

Ervin when spelling Jones.

Rest of this offense blows.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
Rodgers, Jones and Adams should really be the only Pack touching the ball.

Ervin when spelling Jones.

Rest of this offense blows.

Yeah. Tonyan would be a nice 5th pass catching option. But being the third best (and your second being a RB) is not great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
I like Lazard when he's healthy
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 08:42:18 PM
I like Lazard when he's healthy

I like what I saw early this year. But it’s a tiny, tiny sample size.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
Well, Scantling caught that one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 05, 2020, 08:45:07 PM
Well, Scantling caught that one.

Redemption
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Mullens is horrendous

Find it hard to believe Beathard is worse
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:21:42 PM
After reading these comments, I didn't expect the packers to be up 14-3

They should be up 41-3 against this team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
They should be up 41-3 against this team.

They are playing fine tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2020, 09:25:03 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on November 05, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.
This
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
I’ve noticed this year that the refs almost always mark the ball exactly on the hash marks when a team gets a 1st down. It’s a good move since it eliminates virtually all measurements.

But did it just start this year or did they do it last year too?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
Josh Jackson is such a bust. Really disappointing.

Other than Jaire, have they drafted anyone worth their draft position in the first 3 rounds under Gutey?

I forgot about Jenkins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2020, 09:38:21 PM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2020, 09:58:24 PM
Chiefs only 10.5 point home favorite over Panthers.

I’m not a betting man, but the Chiefs sure are tempting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 05, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance.  All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 10:08:16 PM
After watching Crosby sneak that 53 yarder over the bar in garbage time, I gotta say its refreshing to have a team stick with an accurate kicker at the expense of some distance.  All these Kyle Boller-ass kickers banging it through the end zone from their own 40 but then regularly shanking 40 yarders from the right hash is tiring.

Crosby is also dealing with an injury. I think he has more distance in him than he showed there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2020, 10:09:26 PM
Geez, I wish the Bears had the kind of offensive problems you guys are complaining about. I’d happily trade spots.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 05, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Half of those came on the last two drives when nobody was playing on either side of the ball.

The Packers played fine tonight. They did what they should have. Blown a depleted team out. Nothing more and nothing less.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 05, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
328 yards by what is the worst offensive group I have seen since the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs. Yes, I am including this year’s Jets.

I know, lots of backups, but they were goin’ against an awful lot of taxi squad guys.

Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 06, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.

You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 07:25:57 AM
You’re complaining about a play schemed so well that it left a TE with no one within ten yards of him?

Brett Favre threw a lot of 1-yard TD passes early in his career
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 06, 2020, 07:44:57 AM
Really wish they would stop Rodgers stat padding for 1 play and let Jones get a damn 1 yard TD.

Someone had Aaron Jones in his fantasy lineup ...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2020, 08:03:08 AM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2020, 10:19:37 AM
Man, it was 34-3 with 5 minutes left in the game. They took their foot off the gas at the end and gave up a bunch of yards and two TDs that didn't matta. Defense was fine.

They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 06, 2020, 11:52:37 AM
They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.

Why would they not have reached 100 yards against the Bears offense?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 06, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
They wouldn’t have reached 100 yards against the Bears defense. I think the 49ers had 3 starters on offense. All of their WRs except for one guy were from the taxi squad. The QB made Trubisky look like a master marksman.

Pettine will be gone after this year.

Bears are more of a bend don't break defense who gives up a decent amount of yards while limiting points.

So...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2020, 03:59:56 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Yep. Just the nature of fans, though. Many are happy only when everything goes perfectly. When things are going very well but with a few warts, people come out of the woodwork to nitpick the details.

But it’s good that fans are talking about the game at all...because if they weren’t, it would mean the team was at the bottom of the league. Fans of those teams don’t complain about specific games or plays; they complain more broadly about the woes of the franchise, and who they should pick in next year’s draft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 04:23:35 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Most sports fans are idiots
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 06, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Most sports fans are idiots

I think this board is hard evidence of that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
Most sports fans are idiots

So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't?  ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2020, 05:34:46 PM
I only watched about 20 minutes of the game last night because I was busy watching political claptrap. But every time I clicked over to Fox, Rodgers was throwing another TD pass.

I can't believe Packers fans would actually complain about that total annihilation of last year's NFC Super Bowl representative (albeit a team that's now depleted).

Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.

Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.

There is one more big consideration. With Rodgers, GB leads the NFL in time of possession. That means other teams are getting fewer possessions per game yet still putting up big yardage numbers.

A lot of people here don’t get Packer games since they don’t live in Wisco. But, believe me, many game announcers have talked about GB’s soft defense. It is talked about often on national talk shows. Lack of toughness and bad tackling aren’t hard to spot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 06, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
Mike, I made no complaint about the offense. They played as expected. My complaint was strictly about the defense. It is the same defense that was abused by SF last year and by TB and Minny this year.

Many others here have called GB’s defense soft over the last year. Now some of those same people are upset when I go after the defense.

Mainly because there was absolutely nothing to complain about last night, offensively or defensively.  They gave up 3 meaningful points and 150 meaningful yards.  The defense can't stop the run, can't create turnovers, and can't get to the quarterback.  But last night they did all 3 until the last 2 drives in a 31-3 football game.  There was nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2020, 06:00:37 PM
So, Rico, who besides the two of us aren't?  ;)

I’ve come to grips with my sports idiocy and yet I still watch.  Sadly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 07, 2020, 05:03:12 PM
Harbaugh to the bears?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Harbaugh to the bears?

Buzz to Michigan football?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2020, 10:17:05 PM
If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.

Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 08, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
Good thing Philip Rivers isn't called upon to make many tackles....

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1325507558207991808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325507558207991808%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Fcolts-philip-rivers-makes-hilarious-attempt-at-a-tackle-after-ravens-recover-fumble%2F
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2020, 01:51:23 PM
Bears offense sure is something.

It's amazing that their defense still tries.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 08, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Bears offense sure is something.

It's amazing that their defense still tries.

The back to back false start penalties on fourth and one made me LOL.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
The Bears are who we thought they are
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).

The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).

But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.

As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.

Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on November 08, 2020, 06:56:16 PM
Panthers played probably their best game of the season in KC and still lost to the too-good Chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most entertaining NFL game all weekend (albeit one that few people saw).

The Panthers' coach pulled out all the stops: fake punt for a first down; went for it on 4th-and-4 for a TD; went for it on 4th-and-14 and Bridgewater made an amazing play for a first down; tried an onside kick (KC didn't expect it but the kicker, who was supposed to recover it, touched the football about a foot too soon).

But a desperation 67-yard FG attempt had no chance, and the Chiefs hung on 33-31. The Panthers could neither pressure nor corral Mahomes most of the game, and Kelce is an absolute freakin' stud.

As I said a few days ago, I would have given the 10.5 points, so the Panthers really beat the spread. Moral victory only, though.

Bonus note: Daryl Johnston is a very solid TV analyst.

Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 08, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
The Chargers are Charlie Brown and the rest of the NFL is Lucy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team

He looked good ... though he was flexing his shoulder or neck late in the game and seemed in pain. Hopefully it's not bad.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 08, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 08, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.

I was pretty excited for this game tonight. Shows what I know.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 08, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
This may end up being the worst SNF/MNF weekend of the year.

And here I thought this game was going to be a good one and the one tomorrow night a stinker.  What do I know though  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 09, 2020, 07:39:13 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Get Michael Thomas back and that Saints offense goes from "deliberate" to "high speed" ai'nna?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 09, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Are the Bucs better without Antonio Brown?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
Matt Patricia watch.  Harbaugh to the Lions!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 09, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Well Brees vs. Brady, was interesting. One stands out as nearly flawless, the other was a dumpster fire (despite tons and tons of weapons).

Say it with me folks:

TOM BRADY IS A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK!!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2020, 09:38:08 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.

What's the record since he's been at new England without. Brady? Or is that what you're referring to?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 09, 2020, 10:50:36 PM
If NE loses tonight, Belichick will have a career record BELOW .500 in games where Brady was not his QB.

One more item under the heading "great players make coaches great" - not the other way around.

But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on November 09, 2020, 11:01:12 PM
Well, the Pats made the Jets work for that one, but a couple clutch plays (12 men on the field for FGA, a dreadful pick, a sack and an incomplete pass to save NE time, running exactly pne offensive play the first 13 minutes of the 4th qtr) but the Jets kept their perfect season alive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2020, 11:24:28 PM
But just for context, Belichick went 5-13 in his first 18 games in New England, i.e. before Brady's first start. Since then, he's 16-11 without Brady. That's maybe not setting the earth on fire, but I imagine not many coaches set the earth on fire with their backup quarterbacks.
Obviously I'm not including Cleveland here because, well, Cleveland. But also because I'm not sure Belichick the coach from 27 years ago says much about Belichick the coach today.

I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 09, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.

If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.

The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 09, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
I think Belichick could have been successful without Brady. But to “replicate“ the level of success he had? Six Super Bowl wins? Maybe...as long as he had a guy like Manning or Brees or Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
You have immediately assumed that Belichick couldn't replicate the success with another QB. The 2001 Super Bowl was won because of their defense, and Bledsoe stepping in and winning them the AFC championship.

If you go back and look, the seasons where they did well, they always had one of the top offensive lines and strong defenses.

The bottom line is Belichick and Brady will forever be linked. It is impossible to know if one made the other "great" or if they simply made each other great.

Belichick could not have replicated his success without an all-time great QB. No coach is good enough to win consistently without great players.

How many titles would Phil Jackson have without MJ and Kobe? Kerr without Curry and Durant?

Great players allow a team to win consistently.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
I guess my point was that no one would consider Belichick to be in the running for the GOAT coach if he hadn’t had Brady.

That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 10, 2020, 10:03:20 AM
BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.

There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age.  And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 10, 2020, 10:26:35 AM
I believe NE had a lot of defensive guys opt out this year as well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on November 10, 2020, 10:27:02 AM
found a way to stop the Steelers

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30291133/ben-roethlisberger-4-added-pittsburgh-steelers-covid-19-list
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:08:20 AM
BB went 11-5 with Matt Cassell who wasn’t starting in the league a few years later. And that first Super Bowl with Brady. He was 2nd year guy with no experience and who wasn’t a world beater at Michigan. That was all scheme and putting people in the right positions, it wasn’t cause Brady came in as a ready made great.

There is likely some give and take, but I gonna give the benefit to a guy who has nearly complete control over personnel and football operations as opposed to a single player on one side of the ball who has looked markedly human once he’s left, regardless of age.  And that’s coming from a omeone who doesn’t really like BB and thinks he’s a douche

I agree that Belichick is among the best coaches ever. However, it is plain as day that he would not be in that group without Brady.

My point still stands, though. Great players are everything.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
That's quite possible, but how many coaches have won multiple titles - or even had sustained success - in the modern NFL without an elite QB?

None. that was my point.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
If Uiagalelei were draft eligible this year, he’d be a top 3 pick this year.

Barring injury, he’s the 2023 #1 overall pick.

I only saw him throw 2 passes and that was exactly my thought. Pro arm, pro body, pro accuracy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 10, 2020, 12:00:09 PM
Matt Patricia watch.  Harbaugh to the Lions!

How long have you been a fan of this franchise?  You shouldn't put that in teal, I believe it will actually happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 10, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 10, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
NFL owners have agreed to expand the playoffs to 16 teams  - four division winners and four wild cards - if the regular season can't be completed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 11, 2020, 01:27:11 AM
I think Josh McDaniel probably should have jumped at another head coaching gig while he had the chance.

I would say I’d be shocked if he got another look, but he’s only 44 and given the way this league goes, he probably does. Though I think he’s hoping he gets the nod when BB decides to retire.

But otherwise, it’s really the perfect storm of “stay away” for him. Bad track record in Denver both on field and in the locker room/FO plus the BS in Indy. Generally thought of to be a jackass. Offense has looked terrible not just this year, but the last year or two, too gimmicky and cutesy. Then top it off with most BB disciples flaming out quickly in head gigs. So I’m sure the Bears will hire him when Nagy gets tossed  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
Bonus points, McCaffery is finally back to his starting spot on my fantasy dynasty team

Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2020, 10:00:10 PM
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a faster fall off from an elite kicker than Gostkoswki. I don’t know if it’s lingering issues from his hip injury or what, but if he was a young or non-“name” kicker, He would have been cut 3 times already. He’s horrific. Career 86%+ on FGs and he’s kicking a cool 12 for 20 this year, and most of the misses have been BAD.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on November 13, 2020, 08:31:07 AM
Looks like McCaffrey will have to miss at least 1 game with a shoulder injury. Sucks. He was great last week.

Had to trade a 1st round pick for James conner =(
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
RIP Paul Hornung. 

A decent Domer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 13, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
RIP Paul Hornung. 

A decent Domer.

This guy?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 13, 2020, 12:00:48 PM
Got his tit in a wringer like Ted Perry, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
This guy?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-01-0404010377-story.html)

I said decent. Didn’t say great. 😉😉😉
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2020, 12:22:33 PM
RIP Golden Boy

He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever.  Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.

Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
RIP Golden Boy

He was Lombardi’s favorite and one of the greatest Packers ever.  Shouldn’t have won the Heisman but still was part of college football’s greatest fraternity.

Growing up through the dark years of Packer football, tales of Hornung always made him seem larger than life. 


His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired.  Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy.  I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2020, 12:42:55 PM

His number isn't officially retired by the Packers, but #5 has only been worn a couple times since Hornung retired.  Forrest Gregg let Vince Ferragamo wear it, which caused all sorts of controversy.  I also think Majik had it during pre-season before he made the team and was forced to switch.

I remember the uproar over letting Ferragamo wear it.  At least he was worth it, lol
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 13, 2020, 01:40:44 PM
Still 2nd all-time on the single-season scoring record.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 01:08:37 PM
Packers flat. Offensive game plan is awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Pack better hope the Bears get the 6 seed by some miracle. Don’t see this team beating any NFC West/South teams in the Playoffs. They are just not good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Soft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 15, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
If I cared enough, I would rhapsodize poetic about the facemask flag against Washington on Stafford being picked up.   How if it had been Detroit against Rogers, it would have been an ejection, not picked up.   But, alas, I just can't generate an adequate level of caring.


Topped by a horrendous PI call on 4th down to extend the game for Washington. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 15, 2020, 03:07:09 PM
I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
I don’t think I’ve heard Preston Smith’s name called more than twice in a single game this season.

You jinxed him into a sack.

Seriously, unless he turns it around down the stretch, I think he’ll be cut at the end of the season.

Lower production + lower cap = a good way to save $8 mil.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Packers are frauds
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 03:34:19 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.

Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
Big extension for Baktiari. $105M for four years. $30M bonus.

Have to believe that closes the door on bringing Jones back
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 15, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
Packers are frauds

It sure seems that way. A 7-2 record looks great, but they have beaten only one team (N’awlins) with a record above .500. They might still end up with 12 or 13 wins, but it will be almost exclusively from beating up on non-playoff teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.

Or maybe Jordan Love’s backup.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: baumu on November 15, 2020, 04:25:19 PM
Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 04:34:49 PM
Packers going to the Super Bowl, book it

Lol. From what I see, Vegas has the Packers at +425 to get there. I’d happily give you those odds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 15, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.

Yeah I agree with this. I could make a case for a few teams right now. All have exploitable weaknesses.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 15, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
The Packers aren't great but the offense can win a shootout against anyone if there aren't 25 MPH winds.

I think the Rams are probably the most complete team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 15, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
Mr. Unliiiiiiimited (Turnovers)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
Kyler Murray and Deandre Hopkins, a wing and a prayer
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 15, 2020, 07:11:44 PM
There is no great team in the NFC.


True.

The Packers certainly have flaws, but so do New Orleans, Tampa, Seattle, Arizona and the Rams...and one of 'em is likely heading to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on November 16, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Yup. Looking forward to Guty taking a LT at 28 in the Draft to run the scout team OL for the next 3 years.

I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 16, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

Because the replacement QB they drafted wasn't being talked about as the #1 overall draft pick that just happened to fall to them in the mid 20s.  He was a guy who led all of college football in interceptions while playing mid-major competition and they moved up to draft him, while being a team that played in an NFC Title game and had some obvious holes to fill while their top 5 QB in the history of the sport is approaching his 40s, in a draft that was deep on a position of need for them.  Instead of getting some help (whether it be stopping the run or giving Rodgers some weapons), the Packers will see 0 players from the first 4 rounds contribute to any kind of real success for the team this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 16, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?


I agree with you in concept.  In 2005 when Rodgers was drafted, Brett Favre was younger than Rodgers is now.  Two years later, they were 13-3 and in the NFC Championship Game.  "Wasting" a first round pick on Rodgers didn't seem harm them in the short-term.

The real question is if Jordan Love is actually THE guy to succeed Rodgers.  And no one really knows the answer to that yet.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

I don't take issue with #2 and #3. The tight end was actually the rookie who was most impressive in camp.

But for a top team with a couple major needs, you can't punt on a #1 pick. It seemed more like a Trubisky-type flyer than a legit pick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2020, 02:08:08 PM
I'll never understand Packers fans questioning the decision to draft a replacement QB.  Beyond that Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 1st in passer rating.  Their 2nd and 3rd round picks were designed for LaFluer's offense.  What's the issue?

Usually, I’d say fans are idiots but in this instance, this team is ready to win a Super Bowl now.  The QB is ready to win now.  Win when you can and worry about 2022 in 2022, especially with one of the great QBs of all time
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2020, 10:13:57 PM
At least, Tower has the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 16, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Mitchell is back
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 16, 2020, 10:22:12 PM
It won’t happen, but with the bye next week, the Pace/Nagy era should end immediately (like tomorrow).

https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1328550797529985030?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
I look forward to the 2022 draft when the Bears come off a 4-12 year, and meatball fans don’t want Sam Howell because he went to Carolina like Mitch did
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 16, 2020, 11:06:08 PM
Well, at the very least I can enjoy the Vikings playing some meaningful games coming up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 05:25:01 AM
The was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen. Two first downs in the second half. One in garbage time.

The play calling apparently was not the problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 08:55:26 AM
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them.  And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 17, 2020, 08:58:43 AM
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, no one is going to want to play them.  And if they expand the playoffs further to 8 teams, and they end up the 8th seed, I would rather finish 2nd.

Eh.  Cook is incredible.  But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 17, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
But their defense is rounding into shape.  It was bad early.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 17, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Eh.  Cook is incredible.  But no team quarterbacked by Kirk Cousins scares me.

Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.

That said, this team is still 4-5
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Kirk definitely shouldn't fear anyone. But if Dalvin is hummin he doesn't have to do much. And the Vikes have 2 really, really good receivers. All Kirk really has to do is what he did last. Quick balls over the middle and let the guys go to work.

That said, this team is still 4-5

Not to mention a very reliable TE
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 17, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.

Awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.

For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.

This one is for none of the marbles!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 18, 2020, 01:42:38 PM
Bears offensive line is terrible. A guy could be killed playing behind that line.

Awful.

Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 18, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.

And 79 tight ends.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2020, 01:49:31 PM
Tower-MU82 Bowl this Sunday.

For my side, McCaffrey not expected to play. Still no word on Bridgewater.

This one is for none of the marbles!

Detroit made Alex Smith a hero.   Look for your offense to be just fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
Ryan Pace has drafted 39 players as Bears GM.
Two of them - sixth and seventh round picks, respectively - are offensive tackles.
But he's taken five running backs.

Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2020, 03:49:25 PM
Detroit made Alex Smith a hero.   Look for your offense to be just fine.


The Panthers' offense is decent. They just tend to take off a quarter or more ... and because the defense really blows, they can't afford that.

If Stafford and Bridgewater are healthy, we could have a high-scoring game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 18, 2020, 08:47:14 PM
Retaining Pace after this season is franchise malpractice

Great timing as the reports are the Bears are bringing in Deshone Kizer for workouts. What a joke
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 19, 2020, 08:40:38 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918602-jaguars-fans-push-for-yannick-ngakoue-to-make-pro-bowl-to-improve-trade-return

This is hilarious.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 20, 2020, 08:28:45 AM
Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.

Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.

Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.

Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.

Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.

When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."

Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.

RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
No McCaffrey ... AND no Bridgewater.

While McCaffrey's replacement is quite good (Mike Davis), the backup QB -- P.J. Walker -- will be making his first NFL start.

Two starting offensive linemen (including the LT) and their best CB out, too.

Folks shoulda gotten their bets down on the Lions while they had a chance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.

A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.

Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 01:52:56 PM
A real offensive explosion between our two Kittykats.

Panthers have been worst 3rd quarter team in the league.


The Bears wanna question this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 02:09:07 PM
Ugh. Joe Burrow out with a knee injury.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
Jake Scott, one of my favorite players from my days rooting for the great Dolphins teams of the 70s, died yesterday at age 75.

Playing alongside Dick Anderson, one of the great safety pairings ever, Scott intercepted 2 passes in SB7 to cap the only undefeated season in NFL history and was named MVP of the game. A true ballhawk, with 49 career picks in 126 games.

Scott was a hippy and a rebel. He feuded with both Georgia coach Vince Dooley and Dolphins coach Don Shula, and he left both teams as a result. He left Georgia after his junior year but couldn't go to the NFL because of the league's rules at the time. So he played a season in Canada and the Dolphins got him by taking him in the 7th round of that year's draft -- one of the best picks in franchise history.

Interesting factoid: Jimmy the Greek cited Scott's shoulder injury as a reason he made Washington the favorite over the 16-0 Dolphins. That the Dolphins not only won but Scott intercepted 2 passes to be MVP haunted Greek for years.

Greek should have known Scott would play. The previous year, he played in SB6 (a loss to Dallas) despite having broken bones in both wrists.

When he had those injuries, Scott famously joked: "I know who my friends are when I go to the bathroom."

Scott wore No. 13 before Dan Marino did. The number has since been retired by the Dolphins.

RIP Jake Scott. When the Steelers lose, I hope the remaining Dolphins will toast Jake, Shula and Jim Kiick, all of whom died this year. Effen 2020.


Great story. Scott was a great player. RIP.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
The Lions have a long and glorious history of making unknown quarterbacks a lot of money.

Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.

Good move. If one wasn't a Panthers fan, one would have gotten zip from this game (just as the Lions did).

Does this activity mean you are feeling better?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.

Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 05:05:52 PM
I went for a walk in the woods after the first quarter.   Got home at 20-0 with two minutes to go.   

I recognized this loss template.   It bores me.


Glad to hear you are feeling well enough to go out for a walk, and that Covid did not impair your ability to recognize the familiar pattern in the game… ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Wow ... what a miserable performance by your guys. They didn’t make the Panthers’ nobody QB look like a star, but they did make a horrendous defense look like the 85 Bears. I felt sorry for Stafford.

I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 22, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?

Did this need politics for some reason?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:20 PM
I don’t. He racks up stats but not wins against winning teams and gets paid because he’s the best Lions QB since Bobby Layne, which isn’t like being the least obnoxious Harbaugh kid. Hopefully Statford and his loony wife will head out of town next year along with Patricia and O’Brien.
I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season.   Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
Did ya find Hillary or Comey out der, hey?
Speaking of loser templates I recognize.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 22, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Absolute trash second half for the packers
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
Soft, weak defense. Petrine is always a step behind.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
Did this need politics for some reason?

U new round here?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 22, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
Rodgers absolutely terrible in the second half. throwing at receivers feet on the first two their downs and then throwing short of the chains when Tonyan had plenty of room for a first.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
Eye cee Pa plays write guard four da Colts, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on November 22, 2020, 06:33:02 PM
In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 22, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
Why waste a high draft choice on a big back, if you don't play him on 3rd and 1, hey?

Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 22, 2020, 06:49:52 PM
Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins contract helping to waste the best RB in the NFL, an incredible young WR, and a good defense. The Vikings are hilariously inept

The defense is just terrible and it all falls on Zimmer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2020, 06:55:42 PM
Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
The Packers refusal to use Jones like a true star back is gonna bury them.

Guy should be getting 20 touches a game minimum.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Are you referring to the guy who can't play because of COVID?



He rarely played prior to covid. Draftin' has been a disaster, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:05:16 PM
Dey don't wanna pay 'im, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
In my 51 years, I have never seen so many holding calls called.

From about the 2:10 mark of the 4Q, that was TERRIBLE football. First GB commits 2 penalties, then the Colts get flagged on 5 straight, and some to like 8 of 10. If they had lost, it would have been all about that stretch. Like you, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it.

But ultimately, the Packers were in more of a giving mood, and they literally handed the game to Indy. Wow.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 07:16:15 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay

Nah too big a cap hit. Earliest will be after 2021.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
How 'bout Pettine, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 07:25:24 PM
How 'bout dat Jonathan Taylor, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 22, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
How 'bout Pettine, hey?

Gotta go.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Gotta go.

Shepherd should be first to go. Just an inexcusable fumble. And he’s shown nothing as a receiver or returner.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Spiking the ball at the 15 on 1st and 10 with 42 seconds left seemed incredibly dumb at the time, and indeed it was.

Totally agree. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 22, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
The defense has issues no doubt and Pettine has not done a good job.  But two inexcusable fumbles by two idiot, unreliable receivers just not being mindful at all of securing the ball in mid fourth quarter and OT is why this was a loss.  Can’t have guys like that.

Shepherd should be released tomorrow. MVS only gets another chance because of occasional big play ability.  But you cannot trust him at all either.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 10:29:49 PM
Fun game between the Chiefs and Raiders. Dang, Mahomes is fun to watch ... and pretty much impossible to defend. Love watching him play QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 22, 2020, 11:02:49 PM
Bold prediction:  This is 12’s last year in Green Bay

Not a chance. They’d be fighting to stay out of last place without ARod.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2020, 11:02:00 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/

Fans are the worst aspect of sports
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 23, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/23/green-bay-packers-valdes-scantling-says-he-received-death-threats/6389544002/

Hutchwasclutch?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 23, 2020, 12:58:17 PM
Fans are the worst aspect of sports

Yup, embarassing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Hutchwasclutch?


 :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
I think Stafford survives the inevitable regime change this off-season.   Keep one more year of stability starting to build around him and then get a young QB.

unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him.  I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.

The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on November 23, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
unfortunately the cap hit is too high to get rid of him.  I am hopeful that after getting embarrassed Thursday that Patricia will be shown the door, similar to Mooch in 2005.

The draft pick will be in the top 10. Too low to get Lawrence or Fields, but this is a pretty good QB class (Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance) so maybe the future begins next year.
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.

Indiana has an excellent defense. They have at least two takeaways in every game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
I think Fields' biggest problem is that he held onto the ball too long, which works when you are the Ohio State QB throwing to future NFL receivers, and if no one gets open, you can just run away.  But that doesn't work in the NFL.

That being said, I have felt similarly about other QBs in the past, and it has worked out for them as they have adjusted.  So I think Fields can adjust as well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
After watching Fields versus Indiana, he does not seem to be a good decision maker. He relies too much on his athletic ability. Granted, that might be only one game.

Fields is definitely talented and has the potential to be a really quality NFL QB

But the people(thankfully not too many) that have suggested at points this fall that he may be a better prospect than Lawrence are absolutely insane. It really isn't close, at all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
I think Fields' biggest problem is that he held onto the ball too long, which works when you are the Ohio State QB throwing to future NFL receivers, and if no one gets open, you can just run away.  But that doesn't work in the NFL.

That being said, I have felt similarly about other QBs in the past, and it has worked out for them as they have adjusted.  So I think Fields can adjust as well.

Fields seemed like he didn’t take IU seriously. A lot of careless decisions and throws and holding onto the the ball too long thinking he was invincible.  He’ll get over that, but it was pretty inexcusable.


Fun game between the Chiefs and Raiders. Dang, Mahomes is fun to watch ... and pretty much impossible to defend. Love watching him play QB.

The contrast between their final drive and the Packers’ Tying FG final drive was pretty remarkable. It’s gotta be coaching cause it’s not like Rodgers is flighty.  Chiefs moved in between snaps with such purpose and poise. Mahomes always the last one getting set and making sure all was in order. Packers on all of the spikes, including the unnecessary one, seemed to be in shambolic hurry mode.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 23, 2020, 06:25:54 PM
WATCH: Ravens Coach John Harbaugh Snubs Mike Vrabel Postgame Handshake




Dude learned from da best, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2020, 10:31:32 AM
Last night, Brady had a ton of time and a time-out to use. I thought a tying FG was a done deal, and there was a good chance of a TD to win it. But he threw an interception on what was as poor a decision/pass as anything Cutler or Winston or Trubisky or Ryan Freakin' Leaf ever threw.

It's still legit to argue that Brady is the best QB ever, but he's no longer great, and on many days not even good. Even for him, Father Time's clock is ticking.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
Last night, Brady had a ton of time and a time-out to use. I thought a tying FG was a done deal, and there was a good chance of a TD to win it. But he threw an interception on what was as poor a decision/pass as anything Cutler or Winston or Trubisky or Ryan Freakin' Leaf ever threw.

It's still legit to argue that Brady is the best QB ever, but he's no longer great, and on many days not even good. Even for him, Father Time's clock is ticking.

Watching numerous Bucs games this year, beyond the failing arm strength, it’s been really interesting to watch Brady be completely lost. Terrible reads, bad decisions, no pocket presence, holding onto the ball too long.

I don’t know how much is Father Time like you said, how much is unfamiliarity with a system when he played in the same one for nearly 2 decades, and how much is that system really taking him from very good to great.

Regardless of how the Pats have played this year,  not paying Brady was clearly the absolute right call
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2020, 10:51:25 AM
Watching numerous Bucs games this year, beyond the failing arm strength, it’s been really interesting to watch Brady be completely lost. Terrible reads, bad decisions, no pocket presence, holding onto the ball too long.

I don’t know how much is Father Time like you said, how much is unfamiliarity with a system when he played in the same one for nearly 2 decades, and how much is that system really taking him from very good to great.

Regardless of how the Pats have played this year,  not paying Brady was clearly the absolute right call

Good points, Wags. Brady isn't Willie-with-the-Mets bad, but he obviously is not the Tom Brady we saw for most of his 849 years in New England. The signs of him struggling (relatively speaking) were there last season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 24, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?

Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?

Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.

Former Bear Markus Paul.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 12:23:10 PM
I'm losing a lot of respect for Brady as a person for the repeated handshake snubs when he loses. Dude is 40+ years old, has more SB rings than he can count, yet he pouts his way off the field without shaking hands with guys like Foles and Goff when he loses. Dude needs to grow up....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
Cmon...

NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes.  Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 24, 2020, 01:02:16 PM
I'm losing a lot of respect for Brady as a person for the repeated handshake snubs when he loses. Dude is 40+ years old, has more SB rings than he can count, yet he pouts his way off the field without shaking hands with guys like Foles and Goff when he loses. Dude needs to grow up....

C'mon man, there is a pandemic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2020, 01:40:54 PM
Cmon...

NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes.  Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.

Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant


Yep. And he was quite happy to shake Rodgers' hand after they beat the Packers.

It'd be one thing if he always just walked off the field without handshakes, but he typically just does it when they lose.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 24, 2020, 03:18:54 PM
Sure, but they are still procedure/protocol followed by most of the league and 99% of QBs and head coaches. If Brady eschewed it all together, fair enough, but he has no problem yukking it up after a win but vanishes when they lose. It’s petulant


Yep. And he was quite happy to shake Rodgers' hand after they beat the Packers.

It'd be one thing if he always just walked off the field without handshakes, but he typically just does it when they lose.



Yeah none of this bothers me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on November 24, 2020, 04:09:35 PM
I’m not trying to recklessly speculate, but is Mike McCarthy ok?

Edit: The Cowboys strength and conditioning coach died. Prayers up to his family.

Or not???  https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/ (https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 24, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
Or not???  https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/ (https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/dallas-cowboys-cancel-practice-after-staffer-suffers-serious-medical-issue/)

Yes, glad the reporting appears to have been wrong. Reading he is on life support, hoping he pulls through.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2020, 05:06:09 PM

Yeah none of this bothers me.

Press conferences, after game handshakes, none of that matters. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2020, 05:30:51 PM
Cmon...

NFL postgame handshakes are like all postgame handshakes.  Dumb, unnecessary and a source of manufactured drama.




As iz da playin' of da National Anthem prior ta sportin' events, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on November 24, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
Yes, glad the reporting appears to have been wrong. Reading he is on life support, hoping he pulls through.

Agreed. Weird story with diehl posting RIP prematurely apparently. Hopefully he pulls through.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2020, 11:58:35 AM



As iz da playin' of da National Anthem prior ta sportin' events, aina?

Correct.

It makes no more sense to play that before a sporting event than it does to play it before an opera, the ballet, a Broadway play, concerts, movies, or any other public gathering.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 25, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
Correct.

It makes no more sense to play that before a sporting event than it does to play it before an opera, the ballet, a Broadway play, concerts, movies, or any other public gathering.

It's kinda silly but until people started obsessing over it, it was just harmless pageantry.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on November 25, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2020, 04:04:44 PM
Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.

Dang. It had been the only T-Day game worth watching.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2020, 04:11:38 PM
Dang. It had been the only T-Day game worth watching.

Crap. I thought there would be a back-up college game, but no...

Damn now what am I going to watch during my "I really shouldn't have ate or drank that much" phase.  (Which usually occurs just before my "Yeah I'll have another piece of pie and a couple fingers of bourbon" phase.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 25, 2020, 04:47:57 PM
Steelers-Ravens game moved from Thursday night to sometime on Sunday due to Ravens COVID situation.

So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChuckyChip on November 25, 2020, 05:00:25 PM
So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?

Maybe the fact that there are two other games this Thursday.  Packers and Niners postponement would have meant no Thursday football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
So what makes this different than when the Packers and Niners played with a skeleton crew?

My understanding is that it’s because Ravens players still tested positive today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 05:28:03 PM

Yeah none of this bothers me.



I’m not ‘bothered’ by it either, but it does show that Brady is a petulant loser.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 25, 2020, 05:46:14 PM

I’m not ‘bothered’ by it either, but it does show that Brady is a petulant loser.

You seem bothered.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 06:11:04 PM
You seem bothered.

Clear evidence that things are not always as they seem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 25, 2020, 06:33:02 PM
Must’ve learned it from Vander.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 26, 2020, 02:20:30 PM
Patricia watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2020, 04:57:01 PM
Is it just me, or are the Lions not very good?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2020, 05:36:21 PM
Is it just me, or are the Lions not very good?

No TD’s given up with only 10 men on the field today. Progress....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2020, 08:15:10 AM
Packers are 8.5-point favorites over the Bears.

That's a darn big number against a team with as good a defense as the Bears have ... but there aren't many offenses as putrid as Chicago's.

This is why I don't bet!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 27, 2020, 07:59:59 PM
The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.

First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 27, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.

First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.

And then they have to move the Ravens-Cowboys game now which was supposed to be on Thu. Dec. 3rd. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 27, 2020, 08:45:23 PM
The NFL has ordered teams to close their facilities on Monday and Tuesday with teams playing those days being exempt:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30403539/nfl-closing-team-facilities-monday-tuesday-amid-coronavirus-spike-holiday-guests

From the article:

"The NFL cited the spike in coronavirus cases around the country as well as the "understanding that a number of players and staff celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday with out-of-town guests" as reasons for closing facilities."
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 27, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
The NFL has ordered teams to close their facilities on Monday and Tuesday with teams playing those days being exempt:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30403539/nfl-closing-team-facilities-monday-tuesday-amid-coronavirus-spike-holiday-guests

From the article:

"The NFL cited the spike in coronavirus cases around the country as well as the "understanding that a number of players and staff celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday with out-of-town guests" as reasons for closing facilities."


How were players supposed to know that could be a problem?  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 27, 2020, 09:00:16 PM
And Patricia still has a job.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 27, 2020, 09:33:28 PM

How were players supposed to know that could be a problem?  ::)


Yeah - what could possibly go wrong?!?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 27, 2020, 11:55:34 PM
The NFL’s handling of the Ravens-Steelers game is making it look like they won’t cancel as long as they can find 22 COVID-negative guys willing to wear a uniform.

First Thursday, then Sunday, now Tuesday.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2020, 01:45:25 PM
Matt Patricia future endeavored.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 28, 2020, 02:00:36 PM
Along with Quinn, the GM.   Two more failures from the New England coaching tree.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2020, 02:09:05 PM
I believe Matt Campbell will get the Lions job.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 28, 2020, 03:15:41 PM
I believe Matt Campbell will get the Lions job.

What a risky hire that would be.  I know he’s the hot name right now but I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s going to be an NFL success.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
What a risky hire that would be.  I know he’s the hot name right now but I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s going to be an NFL success.


If he isn’t going to be an NFL success, it’s almost certain the Lions will hire him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 28, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
This week is getting pretty nuts. Broncos sent home their entire QB room due to close contact to Jeff Driskel’s positive test. A few Steelers have tested positive. SF isn’t allowed to practice/play in Santa Clara.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 28, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
This week is getting pretty nuts. Broncos sent home their entire QB room due to close contact to Jeff Driskel’s positive test. A few Steelers have tested positive. SF isn’t allowed to practice/play in Santa Clara.

It really is starting to snowball. If it gets worse I would consider a two week shutdown and required quarantine because pretty soon they are going to run out of options.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 28, 2020, 05:29:10 PM
It really is starting to snowball. If it gets worse I would consider a two week shutdown and required quarantine because pretty soon they are going to run out of options.

Yeah it seemed like the shutting down Monday and Tuesday was trying to help with this snowball effect.  But I don't think that will help much at this point. 

I want to know who is going to play QB for the Broncos.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 28, 2020, 05:35:14 PM
Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.
We already do
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 28, 2020, 06:44:51 PM
Bears fans can only dream about playing without quarterbacks.

Sid Luckman says hi.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2020, 07:07:40 PM
Saints now -15 tomorrow. I’ll guess that line gets pummeled, especially in teasers. I’d be surprised if it’s not -17 by kick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 28, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Covid-19 wreaks havoc on the NFL with the Broncos having no quarterbacks, the 49ers having nowhere to practice or play home games for a few weeks and the Ravens-Steelers game rescheduled for Tuesday in doubt now with 6 more Ravens players added to the Covid list today:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/nfl-covid-spike-49ers-broncos-ravens-steelers-1.5820887

According to one source from the article, the 4 Broncos quarterbacks weren't wearing their masks the whole time they were together in practice which is the requirement of the league's pandemic protocols.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 10:08:55 PM
The NFL required the Broncos either to play or forfeit. This puts way too much pressure on a team to play undermanned or possibly even with infected players. Crazy... and dangerous.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 28, 2020, 10:18:31 PM
The NFL required the Broncos either to play or forfeit. This puts way too much pressure on a team to play undermanned or possibly even with infected players. Crazy... and dangerous.

Yeah they're making an example of them for not wearing the masks like they were supposed to but at what cost.  It is dangerous as you say and it also gives New Orleans a great advantage as they try to lock up the top seed in the NFC (of course they still could have beaten a Broncos team with a quarterback but it got a whole lot easier now). 

USA Today columnist about this and the NFL refusing to acknowledge reality of Covid:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/11/28/nfl-needs-hit-pause-now-if-wants-finish-season/6454197002/

Oh but that's right they told the teams to shut down their facilities on Monday and Tuesday (with the exception of teams playing on those days) - yeah - don't think that's going to help at all...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2020, 06:37:13 AM
USA Today columnist about this and the NFL refusing to acknowledge reality of Covid:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/11/28/nfl-needs-hit-pause-now-if-wants-finish-season/6454197002/

Oh but that's right they told the teams to shut down their facilities on Monday and Tuesday (with the exception of teams playing on those days) - yeah - don't think that's going to help at all...

"If the Saints do end up as the No. 1 seed – the only one that gets a first-round a bye this year, remember – it’ll be with an asterisk. Should they make it all the way to Tampa Bay, site of this year’s Super Bowl, there will be plenty who will look at them sidewise and say, “Yes, but …” while pointing to Sunday’s game."

This is a league that had a nine game season in 1992 due to a player's strike, and a 15 game season in 1987 with three games played with replacements because of another.  If the Saints go on to win the Super Bowl, no one will view them with an asterisk because of this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on November 29, 2020, 07:26:15 AM
"If the Saints do end up as the No. 1 seed – the only one that gets a first-round a bye this year, remember – it’ll be with an asterisk. Should they make it all the way to Tampa Bay, site of this year’s Super Bowl, there will be plenty who will look at them sidewise and say, “Yes, but …” while pointing to Sunday’s game."

This is a league that had a nine game season in 1992 due to a player's strike, and a 15 game season in 1987 with three games played with replacements because of another.  If the Saints go on to win the Super Bowl, no one will view them with an asterisk because of this game.

For the record, strike was in 1982, not ‘92.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2020, 07:28:58 AM
For the record, strike was in 1982, not ‘92.

Oh thank you.  That was a typo. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 29, 2020, 08:20:25 AM
Not for nothing, but Lions fans really hate Matt Patricia.

One of the league's best trends is now occurring in Detroit, where Lions fans are giving to the charity of Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson as a thank you for his role in Thursday's win. Watson was near-flawless on Thanksgiving with a multi-score victory over Detroit that clinched the firing of head coach Matt Patricia and GM Bob Quinn.

https://www.nfl.com/news/lions-fans-donate-to-deshaun-watson-s-charity-in-droves-after-texans-win
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 29, 2020, 08:50:23 AM
The Broncos asked the NFL if they could use one of their offensive quality control coaches as quarterback today but the NFL said no.  The Broncos will be using practice squad receiver Kendall Hinton at quarterback today:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/29/nfl-declined-broncos-request-to-let-assistant-coaches-suit-up-and-play-qb/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
Everyone knows you have to get pressure on Cousins. He will fold like an accordion.

Well, everyone except the Carolina coach. You never rush 3 guys.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 03:21:14 PM
Anthony Lynn should have to walk home from Buffalo to LA, that was a coaching catastrophe today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
Everyone knows you have to get pressure on Cousins. He will fold like an accordion.

Well, everyone except the Carolina coach. You never rush 3 guys.

The Vikings tried real hard to give the Panthers this game. The Panthers refused to take it.

I actually like this first-year coaching staff and think they've done a good job with a young, talent-shy team, but they really had a bad game today.

As you said, they had to put pressure on Cousins, and they were doing a decent job of it till that last drive.

And on offense, they kept throwing incomplete passes when all they had to do was eat the clock by running the ball; the Vikings' run defense sucks and the Panthers had a lot of success when they did run.

Plus, they burned all 3 time-outs for no reason earlier in the half so they had none left at the end. Just terrible play-calling and clock-management.

I knew they were gonna lose as soon as they threw that incomplete pass on third-and-goal from the 3 with just under 2 minutes to go. Run the ball! You very well might score. And even if you don't, you take 40 seconds off the clock. Terrible.

After that, Cousins did whatever he wanted. Carolina's defense, which had played well, was so passive that the Vikings almost scored too quickly and easily, but the Panthers' kicker effen sucks.

The Panthers aren't going anywhere this season, and in the big picture it's probably better to move up in the draft, but it's still disgusting as a fan that your team can't win a game when you score two defensive TDs and get handed a muffed punt with 2:10 to play. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2020, 04:14:57 PM
I bet Josh McDaniels is coaching in Tampa next season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
Jags fire Caldwell, just means they’ll wait to fire Marrone on Black Monday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 04:53:18 PM
The Vikings tried real hard to give the Panthers this game. The Panthers refused to take it.

I actually like this first-year coaching staff and think they've done a good job with a young, talent-shy team, but they really had a bad game today.

As you said, they had to put pressure on Cousins, and they were doing a decent job of it till that last drive.


Well, in the coaches’ defense, I’ve seen other teams do this far too often.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 06:08:50 PM
An NFL game with 73 totals passing yards - by 2 teams combined.

Well, it is 1920, after all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 29, 2020, 06:16:50 PM
I’m thinking the Rams are gonna be in purgatory for years. Bloated contract for a mid level QB and a defense that routinely just lacks any finishing ability despite elite talent. Nick Mullens is not a starting level QB and he’s just picked them apart today. Shanahan is a great offensive mind but this is pretty pathetic at home from LA. Every single yard the Niners needed in the 4th, they got. And now commit and offsides to make the kick even easier. They aren’t a danger to anyone in the NFC
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 29, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
Brady shook hands with Mahomes!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2020, 07:47:44 PM
The Bears shouldn’t have more than 10 throws tonight. I know they can’t run the ball. But anyone can run the ball against the Pack.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
The Bears shouldn’t have more than 10 throws tonight. I know they can’t run the ball. But anyone can run the ball against the Pack.

Great defense on the Montgomery run. No linebacker in the middle.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
Lol. Literally the only way to get the Packers some stops is to throw the ball down field. So thank you, Bears, for not being able to see what a football illiterate like myself can see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 08:05:08 PM
Well, Savage WAS wide open.....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 29, 2020, 08:19:24 PM
Ass kickin', hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
Things seem to be going well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 29, 2020, 08:25:16 PM
Wow. How bad would Mitch be with a bad week of practice.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2020, 08:27:09 PM
Wow. How bad would Mitch be with a bad week of practice.

Lol.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2020, 08:30:49 PM
This really is sad to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Warrior Code on November 29, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
At what point does the NFL stop promoting this as a rivalry game?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 09:41:44 PM
At least the bears still have their defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 09:47:19 PM
Lots of business decisions being made on the field now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
I really, really hope the Jordan Love pick does not end up as bad as the Mitchell Trubisky pick is. He is really, really bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Lots of business decisions being made on the field now.

Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: WithoutBias on November 29, 2020, 09:59:20 PM
2 observations.

1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 10:00:18 PM
Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?

My personal preference is Mac Jones.

They aren’t bad enough to get Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, or Lance, but Jones will be there when they pick, and I really like Jones.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 10:08:55 PM
2 observations.

1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.

Boyle > Love.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2020, 10:09:32 PM
Where do the Bears go for a QB next year?

Maybe Jordan Love will be available ... or maybe Kendall Hinton!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Maybe Jordan Love will be available ... or maybe Kendall Hinton!


Hinton has taken more snaps this year...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 29, 2020, 10:21:39 PM
Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2020, 10:29:42 PM
Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer

Yup. Only 40 less total yards than GB. Almost all of it meaningless.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 10:35:54 PM
Another classic Nagy hallmark. Get blown TF out, go balls to the wall with all your creative and effective play calls in the 4th when the other team has eased up, especially in a bizarre COVID season, and score a bunch of garbage points to pat your stats and margins and make it seem like you actually had a prayer

Bears have never won a game off a bye week under Nagy. Bears have 7 offensive points (7!!!) in the third quarter through 11 games.

Coaches get bye weeks and halftimes to make adjustments. Just sayin’.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2020, 10:43:52 PM
Bears have never won a game off a bye week under Nagy. Bears have 7 offensive points (7!!!) in the third quarter through 11 games.

Coaches get bye weeks and halftimes to make adjustments. Just sayin’.

Say no more. I feel your pain.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 10:51:54 PM
As bad as things have been for the Bears, switch them for any team in the NFC East and they would be the #4 seed in the NFC playoffs as of today. Yikes!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2020, 11:11:58 PM
Another thing...

Why the hell was Virginia at the game? 97 year old woman going up to a Covid hot bed? That’s just irresponsible and stupid.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Warrior Code on November 29, 2020, 11:14:30 PM
As bad as things have been for the Bears, switch them for any team in the NFC East and they would be the #4 seed in the NFC playoffs as of today. Yikes!

True, but every team in the NFC East has won Super Bowl(s) more recently than Chicago.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 29, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
Another thing...

Why the hell was Virginia at the game? 97 year old woman going up to a Covid hot bed? That’s just irresponsible and stupid.

Given that “irresponsible and stupid” describes how she and her offspring have ran the Bears for the last decade, seems pretty on brand
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 29, 2020, 11:44:09 PM
My personal preference is Mac Jones.

They aren’t bad enough to get Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, or Lance, but Jones will be there when they pick, and I really like Jones.

Guys, long before the Bears get a game changing quarterback, they better get some offensive linemen who can pass block and open holes for the run. No self-respecting quarterback who values his life would want to play behind that line. Not a one!

Not as sold on Jones as you are, Brother Dish. He plays for Alabama, which probably could beat any team in the NFC North not clad in Green and Gold. I think his team makes him good.

If the Bears go for a quarterback, trade for a high enough draft pick to get someone who will make a difference.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Retire0 on November 30, 2020, 06:45:27 AM
Mike LaFleur to the Bears?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2020, 07:33:05 AM
2 observations.

1. Fuller loves standing over guys and talking trash for a guy whose team is down 30.
2. Is Jordan Love so bad you can’t even dress him and give him some snaps in a blowout? In a season you didn’t get a preseason and had a shortened offseason, I’d think getting him some reps would have some value.


Because if Rodgers gets hurt during the game, Boyle is your main back up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2020, 07:39:40 AM
Eye'd trade Love two da Bears four a kickin' tee wright now, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2020, 07:54:03 AM
Why do people assume that he is bad?  We have nothing to go on.  No preseason.  No snaps this season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
Panthers coach:

“Instead of pointing fingers, I’d rather point the thumb back at me and just say, hey, that’s not good enough, that falls back on me. That’s not like coachspeak. I’m disappointed in myself and my staff tonight.”

I'm disappointed in them, too, but I'm glad he honestly took responsibility.

The players could have and should have executed better. But from clock management to time-out management to play-calling on both sides of the ball, the coaches gave away an almost certain victory. I'm still amazed the Panthers found a way to lose that game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2020, 07:58:25 AM
Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to do once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2020, 08:02:24 AM
Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?


Right.  He will have a lot to prove.  Every quarterback does.  But I have said this before, drafting Rodgers' potential successor this year was not necessarily a bad move.  Rodgers is actually older than Favre was when he was drafted.  The real question is if Love is actually that guy.  And I don't know enough to know if that's the case or not - no one really does outside of the organization.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 08:30:37 AM
Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?


Substitute 'Favre' for 'ARod' and 'ARod' for 'Love' and you coulda said the same thing when ARod was drafted. (And don't let the 2005 record fool you; the Packers were plagued with injuries at RB and WR).

Also FYI: Favre was 36 when the Pack drafted Rodgers. Rodgers was 36 when they drafted Love.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 30, 2020, 08:35:59 AM
Pack didn't need to select him. ARod is at the top of his game and the team has other needs. So, fans are pissed at what is perceived as a wasted draft choice and Love will, therefore, have a lot of proving to due once GB shows Aaron the door, hey?

ARod was not that great last year. Even the last few he wasn’t the Rodgers of old. This year, he’s back to getting the ball out quickly.

The worst time to draft a qb is when you need one. Now, moving up to grab Love, I don’t know. But I get the thought behind it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2020, 08:54:34 AM

Substitute 'Favre' for 'ARod' and 'ARod' for 'Love' and you coulda said the same thing when ARod was drafted. (And don't let the 2005 record fool you; the Packers were plagued with injuries at RB and WR).

Also FYI: Favre was 36 when the Pack drafted Rodgers. Rodgers was 36 when they drafted Love.

Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far.  And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.

Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 09:17:27 AM
Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far.  And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.

Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick

I'm not saying Love will become the next ARod or that there is a perfect parallel; I was just reacting to the statement I quoted.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
49ers to play December home games in Arizona, due to sports moratorium in Santa Clara County.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-will-play-december-home-games-in-cardinals-stadium-after-santa-clara-county-halts-all-sports/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
Rodgers was considered by many as a potential #1 overall pick after an impressive season at Cal where he was first team all PAC 10 and set a bunch of records. The biggest storyline of the draft was how shocked people were that he fell so far.  And Favre had not made a Pro Bowl in a couple years.

Love had none of the accolades or hype of Rodgers and the Packers traded up to get him. It%u2019s a significant difference beyond just QB age and pick

I get all of that.  I am reacting more to the "why draft a QB who can't help you" crowd. 

And I don't really care about accolades or hype.  I care if they can get the job done, and only time will tell if that's the case.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 30, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
Steelers/Ravens moved to Wednesday.

Fantasy football is chaos.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 05:13:30 PM
Steelers/Ravens moved to Wednesday.

Fantasy football is chaos.


Fantasy football takes on a whole new meaning this year....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 30, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
Will Fuller suspended 6 games.

Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 07:38:42 PM
Will Fuller suspended 6 games.

Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.


First Thursday, then Sunday, then Tuesday, now Wednesday.

The NFL looks like a bunch of clowns. Just cancel it, for crying out loud.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 30, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
Will Fuller suspended 6 games.

Steelers/Ravens at 3:40 Wednesday because NBC is committing to broadcasting the Rockefeller tree lighting.


I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime. 

Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 07:52:34 PM

I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime. 

Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.


They also know that there is a chance the game could be “postponed“ even further.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 30, 2020, 07:54:08 PM

I bet they will get better ratings for an afternoon NFL game PLUS the tree lighting, than just the NFL game in primetime. 

Plus my guess is that NBC is a little annoyed with the NFL right now.

Agreed, I had no idea there was a tree lighting show on Wednesday night on NBC. It’s the best marketing that show could have ever received.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2020, 10:38:54 PM
What an all time bad beat. Holy hell
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 06, 2020, 01:05:36 PM
According to announcers...

Nagy last week: Mitch is different. The benching helped him.

<plays like crap>

Nagy this week: Mitch is different. He’s going to bounce back better than he has in year’s past.

Guys, maybe he just sucks and Nagy’s blowing smoke up your a$$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
Patricia was hired because he was a defensive savant.    Now, the defense that he and Quinn created can't tackle, can't stop the run, can't cover, can't pressure the quarterback.    The outcome was inevitable.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 06, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Patricia was hired because he was a defensive savant.    Now, the defense that he and Quinn created can't tackle, can't stop the run, can't cover, can't pressure the quarterback.    The outcome was inevitable.   

The lions need to put paper bags over the heads of their cardboard cutouts in their stadium.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 06, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
The lions need to put paper bags over the heads of their cardboard cutouts in their stadium.


Woulda been taken care of if they had just used real fan pics from past seasons....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
Lol Trubi.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 06, 2020, 03:06:18 PM
I’ll speak for Dish here: Matt Nagy should be fired before he leaves the locker room.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2020, 03:06:37 PM
Lol ARob too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 06, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
No words.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Out Lioned the Lions.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
NFL giving RedZone a great 200th episode anniversary gift today. Lots of action in the witching hour today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 06, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
And the Jets are gonna win....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 06, 2020, 03:10:44 PM
And the Jets are gonna win....


Or not...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
What in the world are the Vikings doing? Final timeout with 23 seconds left?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
I’ll speak for Dish here: Matt Nagy should be fired before he leaves the locker room.

I think you mean before he GETS to the locker room.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2020, 03:21:02 PM
Bears need to start over from scratch.  Guy the whole thing
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2020, 03:21:10 PM
So the Falcons throw a Hail Mary with 7 seconds left. Time runs out on the play. They can replay it to see if any time is left. The ball hits the ground with 1 second remaining on the clock, but the clock needs to show 2 seconds to add time back on. Why would that be the rule? That makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 06, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
Actually, I’ll say this...

For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Why aren’t teams running 50 times a game against GB?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers’ second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
Saints 8-0 without Drew Brees since 2019.   :-X
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2020, 04:25:59 PM
I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.
You spelled Marcedes Lewis wrong.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 04:31:02 PM
Actually, I’ll say this...

For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).

The worst thing is that the defense has packed it in. Awful against GB giving up 41 by the 3rd quarter and then close to 500 yards against a Lions team without their best receiver and RB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2020, 04:44:24 PM
Bevell turned Stafford loose and called more deep routes than Patricia would ever permit.     Stafford is still pretty good when he is (a) able to stay upright and (b) allowed to sling it around like on a playground.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 06, 2020, 04:53:44 PM
Saints 8-0 without Drew Brees since 2019.   :-X

Their last 3 wins have been against a Falcons team which has competed packed it in and doesn’t really care. And a bad Broncos team with no QB. Hill has been pretty mediocre. Against a real team they would be struggling

Actually, I’ll say this...

For the sake of the franchise, that was the best thing that could have happened. Now the people ultimately making the decisions (McCaskey’s) will mess it up, but there should be no doubt that everything should be blown up. The improved draft position “should” help (quotation marks needed because they’ll probably mess that up too).

Total agree.  I could do nothing but laugh. It’s just so predictable. But needed cause there can’t be ANY silver lining that prevents the muppets at Halas Hall from keeping Pace and Nagy around.

Im always amazed at how many short sighted fans exist that parrot “how can you root against your team? How can you not want them to win every game?!”  It’s not like I was cheering for the Lions, but you know wins don’t help your franchise right now. This isn’t a team or coaching staff that’s gonna contend for anything. So why cheer for meaningless win that keep you in purgatory?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 06, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
I remember thinking Davante might not get a second contract from the Packers during his second year. For my money, he’s the best wideout in the game. The fact that he still gets open when the Packers’ second best receiving option is Bobbi Tonyan or Allen Lazard is insane.

I think I once said here that Jared Boykin had a brighter future. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Wow. I think that is 5 missed PATs in the division today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Rodgers set a record for the fewest games to reach 400 TDs, a record that will last as long as the amount of games it will take Patrick Mahomes to reach 400 TDs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 06, 2020, 05:42:03 PM
Rodgers set a record for the fewest games to reach 400 TDs, a record that will last as long as the amount of games it will take Patrick Mahomes to reach 400 TDs.

True, unless a serious injury derails his career.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
Worst special teams in the league, year after year.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 06, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
Russ Wilson ain’t getting any MVP votes this year. What a brutal loss.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 06:16:04 PM
Have I mentioned how brutal GB special teams are?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 06, 2020, 07:28:40 PM
Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 07:51:59 PM
Well, Bevell has been a HC candidate for a while, so, depending on how the Lions finish, there is a good chance he stays in Detroit.

Probably Saleh, Daboll, or one of the Colts' coordinators.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 06, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064

I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 06, 2020, 08:21:00 PM
Looks like my Giants are on their way to winning their next Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 08:38:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064

I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.

Tyreke didn’t think it was a catch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 06, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
Bears need to start over from scratch.  Guy the whole thing

Mitch was having a good game and found a way to wreck it in one play.
A professional QB simply cannot cough-up the ball in that situation.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 06, 2020, 09:06:55 PM
Mitch was having a good game and found a way to wreck it in one play.
A professional QB simply cannot cough-up the ball in that situation.

Mitch ain't it but to put the loss on him is ludicrous.  PLENTY of blame to go around. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 06, 2020, 09:08:31 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1335768585101144064

I believe this was not called a catch and not challenged.

You are correct. Apparently Hill thought it hit the ground. KC punted before anyone saw the replay. I don’t recall ever seeing that happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2020, 09:37:03 PM
Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.

The Panthers' OC, Joe Brady (who was the architect of the LSU passing game in 2019), is supposedly a hot commodity. I don't really see it. It's his first season as full OC anywhere, and the Panthers' offense has only been decent. Plus, he's like 14 years old. But there have been reports that he could be 1-and-done from Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 10:12:20 PM
I think the MVP race is going to end up being a popularity contest this year. Mahoney and Rodgers are equally deserving.

My guess is that (if nothing changes) Rodgers will win it because voters will figure Mahomes is going to have many more chances to win another one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 06, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2020, 10:26:58 PM
Mahoney?

The guy who lived on my floor at McCormick? He played next to me on the offensive line for our dorm-championship touch football team, but I didn't know he was an MVP candidate!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2020, 10:40:19 PM
I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.

Was stunned the Broncos, down by 3 pts, didn't go for it on 4th-and-3 at midfield with about 6 minutes to go. They're 4-7, going nowhere, and they have a chance to upset probably the best team in the NFL.

What the eff does a punt get you -- other than a solid chance of never getting to touch the football again? Denver did get it back, but only had about a minute to get a TD, which they had no chance of doing.

Stoopid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2020, 10:46:21 PM
Mahoney?

The guy who lived on my floor at McCormick? He played next to me on the offensive line for our dorm-championship touch football team, but I didn't know he was an MVP candidate!

Spell checker ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2020, 11:13:27 PM
Spell checker ::)

Yeah, I know ... but had to have a little fun.

And I really did play next to a guy named Mahoney on our dorm team our freshman year. Won the dorm title but suffered a devastating, last-second loss to the frat champs for the all-university championship.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 06, 2020, 11:29:39 PM
I know the Chiefs won, but that was an old school Andy Reid special. Terrible red zone play calling, poor clock management. Talent won out, but yuck.

It sounds cliche, but it really feels like there are games that the Chiefs know they will win and they just mess around out of boredom. We’ve all seen the clinical precision of the Chiefs offense, but they did so much dumb, gimmick for gimmick’s sake stuff in the Red Zone, it seemed more like purposeful nonsense than some amazing Broncos effort.

That doesn’t explain the clock management, but it does explain the play calling. We’ve seen the Chiefs and Mahomes get countered and frustrated, that didn’t look like this. It reminded me off the game early in the season where Reid just ran 90% of the time to get CEH action cause he knew they would win and who cares, this was more important than balanced offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2020, 07:40:07 AM
Mitch ain't it but to put the loss on him is ludicrous.  PLENTY of blame to go around. 


The play call was dumb.

But Mitch deserves a ton of blame there. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.


As far as "retreads," I think Jason Garrett and Leslie Frazier are going to get some looks.  Maybe Dennis Allen too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 07, 2020, 09:01:55 AM
Who is going to be the top head coaching candidate this year? Eric Bienemy? Just have to know who to hope the NFC North teams don’t hire.

I'd be surprised if Bienemy isn't already Detroit's guy, though perhaps he'll have better options.
I see MU82 mentioned Brady, but I think his age and lack of NFL experience will keep that happening for at least another year.
Giants DC Patrick Graham could be a hot name if his defense continues to play as it has.
Saints OC Pete Carmichael might get his arguably overdue chance.
Bills OC Brian Daboll should also get some looks. Has a recent track record developing QBs and might be a good fit for the Jets or any other team taking a QB in the first.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 07, 2020, 09:57:27 AM
I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2020, 10:07:01 AM

The play call was dumb.

But Mitch deserves a ton of blame there.

On that play, sure.  I'm just saying there are a variety of other reasons the Bears lost that game.  It wasn't just that play. 

As it has been stated, in the long run it was probably best for the franchise.  The problem is you can't really have confidence the Bears will make the right hires if Ted Phillips is still in charge.  The Bears need a structure similar to the Cubs where they split business and player operations. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 07, 2020, 10:12:44 AM
Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 07, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.

Gotta think his NFL career is finally, mercifully, over. Between Saints-gate, throwing Gase under the bus earlier this year, and now this little stunt, he's not remotely worth the trouble.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?

It’s NFL or bust
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
Gotta think his NFL career is finally, mercifully, over. Between Saints-gate, throwing Gase under the bus earlier this year, and now this little stunt, he's not remotely worth the trouble.


To be fair, I think going out on an all out blitz, zero coverage call on a hail mary is exactly how he would have wanted it to end.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on December 07, 2020, 11:18:20 AM

To be fair, I think going out on an all out blitz, zero coverage call on a hail mary is exactly how he would have wanted it to end.

He probably did the Jets a favor.  Win 1 game and they likely lose the top pick to Jacksonville.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
I guess Harbaugh could be an option out there. Would he go to another college job after Michigan or get back in the NFL?

Unless he really loves the college scene -- and it's hard to imagine why he would -- he certainly should go back to the NFL, where he had a high level of success, and where he won't have to lie to 18-year-old's mothers (thanks to K.O. for that latter reference).

He probably did the Jets a favor.  Win 1 game and they likely lose the top pick to Jacksonville.

Yep yep.

The problem is you can't really have confidence the Bears will make the right hires if Ted Phillips is still in charge.

I was surprised to read a few days ago that he was still in charge. I haven't followed the Bears closely since I left Chicago in 2010, and I thought that by now he certainly must have been dumped.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 01:38:31 PM
Gregg Williams fired by the Jets for the best reason ever.


Williams dialed up an all-out blitz. He left rookie corners Lamar Jackson (undrafted) and Bryce Hall (fifth round) in man coverage while safety Marcus Maye picked up wideout Hunter Renfrow.

According to the NFL’s NextGen Stats, the Jets are the only team to send eight or more pass rushers on a play in the last 30 seconds of a game this season. According to ESPN Stats, the Jets are the only team to rush six-plus in that situation (252 other times) in the last 15 years.

Yeah, I think the firing was appropriate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on December 07, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Bears just plain suck.

Nagy was brought into to be an offensive genius. Some genius.

Is Mike Holmgren available????????
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
So is "the Bears never fire a coach mid-season" considered a point of pride within the organization?  Because I don't think it's the honor that they think it is.

In reality, Pace and Nagy should be out right now.  Get a new GM on board ASAP so when the season ends, you can go through the hiring process for a new coach.  Waiting for it to end doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 07, 2020, 02:47:05 PM
So is "the Bears never fire a coach mid-season" considered a point of pride within the organization?  Because I don't think it's the honor that they think it is.

In reality, Pace and Nagy should be out right now.  Get a new GM on board ASAP so when the season ends, you can go through the hiring process for a new coach.  Waiting for it to end doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.

Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 07, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.

Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.

Best thing the Packers did in 1991 was hire Ron Wolf shortly after Thanksgiving to give him the final month to evaluate the entire organization and how it operates.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 03:03:30 PM
It’s because it’s the way they’ve always done things, and there’s no strong voice in the room to change it.

Their mentality towards everything they do will never change as long as the family owns the team.

The problem is that the family dominates the BoD, I think Kenney and Ryan may be the only non-family on the board.

The team needs to do what GB did back in the early 90's. Clean House and bring in a football guy - ala Ron Wolf - to take over complete control of the football side. McCaskey needs to go back to the BoD only and Phillips, Pace, and Nagy need to be shown the door.

FWIW, Hub Arkush, who is pretty tuned in to the Bears although homer-ish at times, thinks there is at best a 50% chance that Pace and Nagy will be gone after the season. But then, he thought Jimmy Graham was a good signing for the Bears. :-\
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
Best thing the Packers did in 1991 was hire Ron Wolf shortly after Thanksgiving to give him the final month to evaluate the entire organization and how it operates.

Beat me to the Wolf comparison by 7 seconds.  :(
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 07, 2020, 03:06:46 PM
The problem is that the family dominates the BoD, I think Kenney and Ryan may be the only non-family on the board.

The team needs to do what GB did back in the early 90's. Clean House and bring in a football guy - ala Ron Wolf - to take over complete control of the football side. McCaskey needs to go back to the BoD only and Phillips, Pace, and Nagy need to be shown the door.

FWIW, Hub Arkush, who is pretty tuned in to the Bears although homer-ish at times, thinks there is at best a 50% chance that Pace and Nagy will be gone after the season. But then, he thought Jimmy Graham was a good signing for the Bears. :-\

When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 07, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html

That would be a gigantic mistake for both sides.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 07, 2020, 03:10:55 PM
Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html

Fitz gets pumped for NFL jobs every year and turns them down. Considering him being an alumnus of NW and his closeness to Randy Walker who tragically died and Fitz succeeded him, I doubt he'd leave. Plus, NW has actually made a substantial investment into football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.

No, he was not bashing the Bears today - at least not the management team. That might be even worse than if he would have gone after them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 07, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
When Hub bashes the bears, it's gotten extremely bad.

I listened to him postgame yesterday and today with Bernstein. I still feel like Hub’s a McCaskey apologist.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 05:02:12 PM
I listened to him postgame yesterday and today with Bernstein. I still feel like Hub’s a McCaskey apologist.

I listened to Bernstein as well and got the same impression. That’s a change as until the last month or so, he had been pretty even-handed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2020, 06:01:02 PM
Fitz gets pumped for NFL jobs every year and turns them down. Considering him being an alumnus of NW and his closeness to Randy Walker who tragically died and Fitz succeeded him, I doubt he'd leave. Plus, NW has actually made a substantial investment into football.

Except the guy who pays his salary at NU also is an owner of the Bears.

Also Kaplan reporting that Phillips will (may) retire at the end of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 06:01:35 PM
Good company.

With 10 catches for 121 yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, Davante Adams matched Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice as the only receivers in the Super Bowl era with 1,000 yards and 12 touchdowns in their first 10 games of the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 07, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
Good company.

With 10 catches for 121 yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, Davante Adams matched Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice as the only receivers in the Super Bowl era with 1,000 yards and 12 touchdowns in their first 10 games of the season.

And he missed two games. Don’t remember if he missed any of the Lions game, which is the game he got hurt in. 3 catches on 3 targets that game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 07, 2020, 06:09:16 PM
Re: Bears

https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1335770020840869896?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2020, 06:26:30 PM
And he missed two games. Don’t remember if he missed any of the Lions game, which is the game he got hurt in. 3 catches on 3 targets that game.

They aren't counting the games he missed; it is just the 1st 10 games he played - which are actually 9 1/2 because he missed half the Lions game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears

Washington has a very good defense.  Steelers have given up trying to run, so Washington has been able to play pass
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 07, 2020, 07:19:09 PM
They aren't counting the games he missed; it is just the 1st 10 games he played - which are actually 9 1/2 because he missed half the Lions game.

Ahh yeah.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 07, 2020, 07:40:25 PM
The weirdest weekend in football continues. WFT is about to beat the undefeated Steelers, in Pittsburgh, after being down double digits. Steelers offense looks almost as bad as the Bears

Roethlisberger makes some terrible decisions. That sidearm sling on 3rd down late to Smith-Schuster didn’t have a prayer, and then throwing to your third back on the depth chart on 4th and 1. To be fair, his receivers dropped way too many catches tonight as well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
Roethlisberger makes some terrible decisions. That sidearm sling on 3rd down late to Smith-Schuster didn’t have a prayer, and then throwing to your third back on the depth chart on 4th and 1. To be fair, his receivers dropped way too many catches tonight as well.

I feel like a core tenant of both BR’s game, and the Steelers offense, is those quick soft/floated throws that rely on both surprise and guts from him to make. When he’s off, or the WRs are off, or the run game is non existent like tonight, it can look positively awful
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2020, 09:26:02 PM
As a huge fan of the early 70s Dolphins, I always enjoy it when the last unbeaten team takes a loss.

Long live Larry Csonka, Manny Fernandez, Paul Warfield and the rest of the only unbeaten, untied, championship team in NFL history!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2020, 07:55:08 AM
nm
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 08, 2020, 08:09:42 AM
Dan Wetzel pimping Pat Fitzgerald for the Bears job.
That would be a mistake for both sides, IMO.

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-solution-to-the-bears-sloppiness-is-already-in-chicago-but-would-pat-fitzgerald-want-the-job-235117877.html

Harbaugh!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2020, 08:14:38 AM
Harbaugh!


I kind of think the bloom is a little bit off that rose.  But maybe he's better suited for the NFL than for college because I don't really think he like recruiting.

And part of my concern would be that he would want more control than his track record warrants.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 08, 2020, 08:42:44 AM
As a huge fan of the early 70s Dolphins, I always enjoy it when the last unbeaten team takes a loss.

Long live Larry Csonka, Manny Fernandez, Paul Warfield and the rest of the only unbeaten, untied, championship team in NFL history!


Funny thing is, if the Steelers were 'ranking' their remaining opponents before last night, the 'Football Team' would have been one of the least likely to upset them. Buffalo, Cleveland and Indy looked like far bigger risks.

Shows that when you have that target on your back, you need to show up every game....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 08, 2020, 07:45:00 PM
So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.

The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2020, 10:11:06 PM

Funny thing is, if the Steelers were 'ranking' their remaining opponents before last night, the 'Football Team' would have been one of the least likely to upset them. Buffalo, Cleveland and Indy looked like far bigger risks.

Shows that when you have that target on your back, you need to show up every game....

Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.

The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2020, 06:00:29 AM
Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.

The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).


Yeah prior to 1975 the NFL rotated the playoff hosts.  That was the reason the Packers hosted the Ice Bowl in 1967.  Also, the week prior they played the LA Rams in Milwaukee for the Western Conference championship, even though LA had by far the better record and beat the Packers head-to-head earlier in the season.

The year prior, the Packers had to travel to the Cotton Bowl for the NFL Championship even though Green Bay had the better record.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 09, 2020, 07:54:54 AM
So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.

The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”

I think a guy could test positive while coughing on his teammates at the 50 yard line, and the NFL wouldn’t cancel. Now that they can’t use bye weeks to adjust the schedule, I think they will be playing no matter what.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 09, 2020, 09:03:47 AM
So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.

The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”

15 minutes of sustained contact under 6 feet is harder to achieve then you think. Personally, I think that pretty lenient description of contact has helped the virus spread.

I understand that the likelihood you get the virus is significantly less beyond this criteria, but it is still certainly not zero.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 11:20:40 AM
15 minutes of sustained contact under 6 feet is harder to achieve then you think. Personally, I think that pretty lenient description of contact has helped the virus spread.

I understand that the likelihood you get the virus is significantly less beyond this criteria, but it is still certainly not zero.

He received his 1st positive on a quick test right before the game. Was negative the day before and inconclusive the morning of. So he probably would not have been infectious when he had contact with the team before the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
A name that's apparently making rounds on the coaching carousel ... Marvin Lewis.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 09, 2020, 03:56:44 PM

Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.



That’s the other amazing thing. They put in a backup quarterback after the starter gets injured, and the backup goes on to win the MVP. Has that happened in any other time, in any sport?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
Kurt Warner?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on December 09, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
Umm...Tom Brady?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
Warner is a closer comparison. He replaced Trent Green, who was hurt in the preseason, and then won the MVP and Super Bowl.

After replacing an injured Bledsoe in 2001, Brady led the Pats to the Super Bowl. Statistically he was good but not great that season, and was largely a game manager.

A parallel with what happened with the 72 Dolphins would have been this:

Brady replaces an injured Bledsoe but then, despite Brady leading the Pats to an unbeaten record, winning the MVP and taking the Pats to the AFC title game, Belichick goes back to Bledsoe at halftime of the conference championship game.

Shula, who loved Morrall, agonized over the decision to go back to Griese. It was a good one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on December 09, 2020, 05:06:36 PM
Yup. The Dolphins had a lot of unimpressive wins that season, but they kept grinding 'em out. In the playoffs, they barely got by an OK Cleveland team. Then, even though they were 15-0, they had to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game because for a couple years there they rotated the playoff hosts (the way baseball used to). They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese -- and put in Griese. The Dolphins pulled that one out and then, at 16-0, were 3-point underdogs against Washington in the SB.

The '73 Dolphins actually were a much more dominant team, even though they went 15-2 (including playoffs).

22yr old naginiF played in the Earl Morrall charity golf tournament. After a couple of pops at the bar and right before the banquet I go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal a gentleman asks me how the round was, was I enjoying myself, etc. I turn around and BAM Ed Morrall naked and dripping from the shower just standing there with his hands on his hips........back to the bar I went.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2020, 06:35:48 PM
22yr old naginiF played in the Earl Morrall charity golf tournament. After a couple of pops at the bar and right before the banquet I go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal a gentleman asks me how the round was, was I enjoying myself, etc. I turn around and BAM Ed Morrall naked and dripping from the shower just standing there with his hands on his hips........back to the bar I went.

That's hilarious.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2020, 06:39:13 PM
They were struggling in the first half against a young, not-yet-great Steelers team when Shula benched Earl Morrall -- who was the NFL MVP that season after replacing an injured Griese --

I thought Earl Morral won his NFL MVP when he replaced an injured Johnny U for the Baltimore Colts in 1967.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 10, 2020, 11:05:20 AM

That’s the other amazing thing. They put in a backup quarterback after the starter gets injured, and the backup goes on to win the MVP. Has that happened in any other time, in any sport?

Doug Williams
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 10, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Doug Williams


He was the Super Bowl MVP.  Not the NFL MVP.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 10, 2020, 11:20:53 AM
I thought Earl Morral won his NFL MVP when he replaced an injured Johnny U for the Baltimore Colts in 1967.


1968.  Yes.  He did not win the MVP replacing Griese in 1972.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on December 10, 2020, 12:15:38 PM

He was the Super Bowl MVP.  Not the NFL MVP.
Ditto Nick Foles, I think.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 10, 2020, 01:24:32 PM
Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.

Kurt Warner?

Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.

Umm...Tom Brady?

Brady started all 16 games in 2007, the first year he won the MVP.



Edit: I stand corrected, in that Morrall didn't win MVP the year he came off the bench either. Oops.

It does then beg an interesting question: Has any player begun the season as a backup, and ended up winning the NFL MVP award?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 10, 2020, 02:56:51 PM
Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.

Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.

Right, but only because starter Trent Green got hurt in the third preseason game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2020, 10:02:24 PM
Morrall started the 1972 season on the bench, where he remained until Griese got injured in game 6.

Warner started all 16 games in 1999, the first year he won the MVP.

Brady started all 16 games in 2007, the first year he won the MVP.



Edit: I stand corrected, in that Morrall didn't win MVP the year he came off the bench either. Oops.

It does then beg an interesting question: Has any player begun the season as a backup, and ended up winning the NFL MVP award?

Thanks for the correction.

And to make your question more interesting add on ... “and then get benched in the playoffs?”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 11, 2020, 01:09:37 AM
I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.

I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2020, 04:46:23 PM
I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.

I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned

A QB who can’t throw a 10-yard pass is not a QB.

I loved watching Cam for his first 7 years. And as a Charlotte resident, I loved the way he grew up from petulant brat to altruistic community leader.

But he can no longer do QB things. The NFL chewed him up and spit him out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 11, 2020, 06:32:13 PM
I’m a big Cam Newton fan but he looks toast. His arm looks really bad and as a result his decision making is poor and he’s seeing ghosts. Being vegan likely isn’t helping either.

I hope he can bounce back but he’s on the wrong side of 30 with all the other issues I just mentioned

A few years ago Damian Lillard went vegan to get leaner and found he lost too much weight and felt sluggish.

Though with Cam I think the beatings he was allowed to take, and COVID, have broken him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 11, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
A few years ago Damian Lillard went vegan to get leaner and found he lost too much weight and felt sluggish.

Though with Cam I think the beatings he was allowed to take, and COVID, have broken him.

Arian Foster tried too and it didn’t last long. I’m sure there are many ways to be vegan and stay athletic and very active. But needing to maintain extreme muscle mass and prodigious strength to not only do your job, but to stay healthy...it’s just not enough
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Ugliest uniforms ever?

With respect to the Pittsburgh Bumblebees.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 12:15:52 PM
Excellent article today in the Chicago Tribune (www.chicagotribune.com) as to the process by which Mitch Trubisky was selected over DeShawn Watson. Probably the best documentation of a sports management breakdown I ever read.

Proves once again why the Bears suck and why the Bears will suck as long as the McCaskeys are involved.

You had two all-world quarterbacks available and you ended up with Mitch Trubisky. Sorta like the Packers trading for Brett Favre and keeping him on the bench in favor of Don Majikowski.

DUMB!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
Having SO much fun watching Panthers-Broncos game. Not only are the Panthers getting thumped by a bad Denver team, but they keep showing clips of the SB50 loss to Denver.

Ugh.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 13, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
Who was that guy wearing the Trubisky uniform?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 13, 2020, 06:00:18 PM
Mark Schlereth is very talkative. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 13, 2020, 06:33:03 PM
I think Stafford gets kept by the next regime.   There just aren't better options out there and Detroit is not going to draft early enough to get a franchise QB.   But if I am wrong, Stafford may have thrown his last pass as a Lion.   That was a nasty hit on that scramble.  Not dirty.   But an illustration as to why QBs slide.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2020, 06:46:55 PM
Teddy Bridgewater is just good enough to keep bad teams in games but lose them ... and to "help" good teams go 9-7 or 10-6. He is a placeholder QB. He isn't bad, but the Panthers need better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 07:12:46 PM
Today was a perfect example of Sean Payton’s hubris. You may “trust” Hill more, or think his versatility is better for the offense, but by the second half, the Philly secondary was shattered and on life support. And he kept trotting out a QB who couldn’t attack it. The strip sack on 4th down was a perfect Taysom Hill moment. Dude has terrible pocket presence and misses receivers with absurd regularity.  Even with the early deficit, the Saints comfortably come back and win that game with any decent QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 13, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
Today was a perfect example of Sean Payton’s hubris. You may “trust” Hill more, or think his versatility is better for the offense, but by the second half, the Philly secondary was shattered and on life support. And he kept trotting out a QB who couldn’t attack it. The strip sack on 4th down was a perfect Taysom Hill moment. Dude has terrible pocket presence and misses receivers with absurd regularity.  Even with the early deficit, the Saints comfortably come back and win that game with any decent QB

Is Winston that bad?

Anyway that was a nice surprise as a Packer fan. Now they have three outdoor games to end the season and hopefully clinch home field.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 13, 2020, 08:16:05 PM
Is Winston that bad?

Anyway that was a nice surprise as a Packer fan. Now they have three outdoor games to end the season and hopefully clinch home field.

One is against Tractorcito in the height of Tractorcito season, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 13, 2020, 09:21:08 PM
Mark Schlereth is very talkative.

I remember being annoyed by him on ESPN NFL shows. Never thought broadcasting was in his future. I still feel like that assessment was right.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 09:33:49 PM
Brother Fluff is right. Nice day to be a Packers fan. They played well enough to win, but damn, the defensive penalties in the second half, especially defensive holding, was a bit much.

Aaron Rodgers is something else!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 14, 2020, 12:54:36 PM
Excellent article today in the Chicago Tribune (www.chicagotribune.com) as to the process by which Mitch Trubisky was selected over DeShawn Watson. Probably the best documentation of a sports management breakdown I ever read.

Proves once again why the Bears suck and why the Bears will suck as long as the McCaskeys are involved.

You had two all-world quarterbacks available and you ended up with Mitch Trubisky. Sorta like the Packers trading for Brett Favre and keeping him on the bench in favor of Don Majikowski.

DUMB!!!!!!

While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes.  He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him. 

Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him.  Fact is no one knew he would be this good.

Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 14, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
NFL Ratings Drop Leaves Networks Scrambling to Make Advertisers Whole
TV networks are using ad inventory to make good on their earlier audience commitments
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-ratings-drop-leaves-networks-scrambling-to-make-advertisers-whole-11607781600

But this year, NFL ratings have taken a hit as pandemic-related postponements have pushed some games to less desirable times and the coronavirus has sidelined some star players. Unexpected competition from other sports leagues whose seasons were delayed from earlier in the year also has taken a toll on ratings.

Much of the ratings drop is attributed to the 2020 presidential election coverage siphoning away viewers and the pandemic’s wreaking havoc on the league. Aside from reschedulings and some sidelined stars, the league has faced a backlash from some fans over its social justice efforts, including its embrace of Black Lives Matter. These factors are compounded by the secular decline of traditional TV viewing, in which ratings have been eroded by the uptick in ad-free streaming services.

NBC was perhaps the hardest-hit this Thanksgiving, typically a big day for NFL viewership. The Ravens-Steelers game, which originally cost advertisers an average of $1 million for 30 seconds of commercial time, drew only 11 million viewers, almost a 50% decline from the audience for last year’s Thanksgiving game on NBC.

Some Thanksgiving advertisers that appeared in the NBC game on Wednesday didn’t pay at all, instead accepting the commercial time as a make-good for games earlier in the season that delivered disappointing ratings, according to people familiar with the matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 14, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
Inevitable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on December 14, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes.  He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him. 

Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him. Fact is no one knew he would be this good.

Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.
Chief's management would like to have a word -
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 14, 2020, 01:40:46 PM
Chief's management would like to have a word -

Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.

Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 14, 2020, 01:45:38 PM
Who was that guy wearing the Trubisky uniform?

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! to a 7 yr, 200M contract
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 01:57:11 PM
While I agree with the sentiment of this post, it is unfair to blame the bears for passing on Mahomes.  He was the 10th pick so nine teams passed on him. 

Actually, if anyone had any idea how good he was going to be, all 32 teams would have been mortgaging the farm to get him.  Fact is no one knew he would be this good.

Yes, the bears made a conscious decision to pass on Watson, blame them for that.


 :o :o :o  They made a "conscious decision" to pass on Mahomes as well.

They made a "conscious decision" to draft a bad quarterback.  It's happened before but let's not sugar coat it here.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes.  He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 14, 2020, 02:06:04 PM
Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes.  He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.


Yep. It would be nice if he stays, but the shelf life of a RB is too short to get worked up about it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 14, 2020, 02:13:38 PM

Yep. It would be nice if he stays, but the shelf life of a RB is too short to get worked up about it.

The Packers getting Kenny Clark and Bakhtiari under contract gives some flexibility. If the Packers are desperate, they can franchise him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 02:32:29 PM
The Packers getting Kenny Clark and Bakhtiari under contract gives some flexibility. If the Packers are desperate, they can franchise him.


I think Linsley's going to be a higher priority than Jones.  Maybe even King too, although they are going to have to shell out for Jaire soon.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 14, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
If the Packers trot out AJ Dillon on 1st and 2nd down next year, and Tyler Ervin for 3rd down next year, we will be fine.  Weber can backup either role.

I'd hate to lose Jones and Jamaal, but this is a business where you don't pay RBs... unfortunately for them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Aaron Jones firing his agent is probably not a good sign as far as him signing a team-friendly extension goes.  He's a good back, but I don't like tying up running backs on big contracts, but it will be a shame if he leaves.

Pack dont use the poor guy. Hes gonna look elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 03:50:02 PM
Pack dont use the poor guy. Hes gonna look elsewhere.


???  He's their leading rusher and third leading receiver.  Unless you have Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry, this is how you use a running back these days. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2020, 05:31:46 PM

???  He's their leading rusher and third leading receiver.  Unless you have Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry, this is how you use a running back these days.

He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.

Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.

His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.

Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2020, 06:01:55 PM
He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.

Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.

His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.

Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.

Disagree with you on Jones. They keep him fresh for the entire season by not giving him 25-30 touches a game like Henry. Henry is 250 pounds, Jones is 205.

Same reason why Murray gets so many carries in NO. Come playoffs, Kamala isn’t beaten up.

If GB wants a guy who is perhaps the best passer in history to throw a lot, I am good with it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2020, 06:26:28 PM
Disagree with you on Jones. They keep him fresh for the entire season by not giving him 25-30 touches a game like Henry. Henry is 250 pounds, Jones is 205.

Same reason why Murray gets so many carries in NO. Come playoffs, Kamala isn’t beaten up.

If GB wants a guy who is perhaps the best passer in history to throw a lot, I am good with it.

JOnes gets like 14.5 touches per game. Long way to go before we start talking 25-30.

Kamara has about 40 more catches than Jones, he gets his touches in different ways.

Jones is good enough to be a weapon in the red zone(and everywhere on the field). So this is strictly about him seeing himself as such and looking elsewhere. It's not about whether the Packers should limit Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 14, 2020, 06:31:54 PM
AJ will go where the money takes him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
JOnes gets like 14.5 touches per game. Long way to go before we start talking 25-30.

Kamara has about 40 more catches than Jones, he gets his touches in different ways.

Jones is good enough to be a weapon in the red zone(and everywhere on the field). So this is strictly about him seeing himself as such and looking elsewhere. It's not about whether the Packers should limit Rodgers.


Then maybe you shouldn’t label it as “stat padding.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 14, 2020, 07:09:47 PM
Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.

Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.

Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed.  That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year.  E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this.  What you wrote is not the way it went down.

And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes.  Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL?  And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.

Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good.,  Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him.  No one did.

This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections.  See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 14, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed.  That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year.  E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this.  What you wrote is not the way it went down.

And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes.  Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL?  And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.

Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good.,  Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him.  No one did.

This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections.  See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.

Alex Smith's serious leg injury was in Washington, not KC.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 07:20:25 PM
Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed.  That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year.  E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this.  What you wrote is not the way it went down.

And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes.  Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL?  And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.

Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good.,  Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him.  No one did.

This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections.  See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.

Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 14, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Stick with your sell Apple exhortations.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 14, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.

In fact, Smith made the Pro Bowl that year yet the Chiefs decided to trade him in the off-season anyway.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 14, 2020, 08:08:07 PM
Alex Smith broke his leg and nearly died from the staff infection that followed.  That is why Mahomes got his shot his rookie year.  E-60 did an entire 1-hour special on this.  What you wrote is not the way it went down.

And I have read up on what Andy Reid thought of Mahomes.  Show me the part where he thought Mahomes was a once in a generation QB, the Michael Jordan of the NFL?  And Reid was so sure of this the Chiefs were willing to wait for the 10th pick to get him, knowing that at least the Bears were picking a QB ahead of them. And then he was going to let this unbelievable talent sit for 12 games behind Alex Smith until Smith broke his leg before he got his shot.

Yes, he thought Mahomes would be good.,  Bit NO ONE thought he was going to be this good. If anyone did think Mahomes was going to be this good, they would give whatever was necessary to jump up in the draft to get him.  No one did.

This is not the first time this has happened in the NFL, QB vastly outperformed their projections.  See Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, etc.

I stopped reading after your second sentence. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 14, 2020, 08:12:47 PM
Lol you are wrong. Hilariously wrong. Alex Smith already was on Washington when he broke his leg. The Chiefs let him leave because they knew Mahomes was better.

Did they know he was a transformational QB when they drafted him? Or is that your after the fact revisionist history?

And if "everyone knew?" Why only get not the bears case for passing on him?  Why not get all 31 teams for not trying to get him?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 08:54:30 PM
Did they know he was a transformational QB when they drafted him? Or is that your after the fact revisionist history?

And if "everyone knew?" Why only get not the bears case for passing on him?  Why not get all 31 teams for not trying to get him?

So you’re going to ignore your obvious error and change the argument again?

The Chiefs thought he was great. He looked so good in practice as a rookie that they traded away their all pro quarterback.

And I never said “everybody knew.”  The fact is the Bears chose a terrible quarterback when a very good one and possibly a generational one were on the board. Keep making excuses but the facts are right there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 08:57:33 PM
Heisey going back in this topic, no one said “everybody knew” Mahomes would be this good. That’s was another made up quote to shift goalposts, which is your usual go to when you’ve been dunked on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 10:37:57 PM
Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).

This game is seriously insane. I’ve seen three TDs since switching.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2020, 10:44:43 PM
Wow...that safety was significant to many.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:09:46 PM
Going from that MU win to this MNF game is like snorting cocaine (...I think).

That was awesome.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 14, 2020, 11:42:39 PM
Heisey going back in this topic, no one said “everybody knew” Mahomes would be this good. That’s was another made up quote to shift goalposts, which is your usual go to when you’ve been dunked on.

Umm ... he did

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570


Chief's management would like to have a word -
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2020, 07:46:18 AM
Umm ... he did

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570




LOL, so Chief's management is "everyone?"

Keep digging Heisey. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 15, 2020, 08:24:05 AM
Then maybe you shouldn’t label it as “stat padding.”

When it takes 3 tries and you're already up 21 and you don't give it to the running back.....it kinda is.


The stats are the stats. He doesn't get the opportunities other top end backs get(Jones is really good back imo)and hes probably moving on. Unless the Pack flip the switch and offer him a crazy deal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 15, 2020, 08:39:44 AM

LOL, so Chief's management is "everyone?"

Keep digging Heisey.

Now your goal post shifting. 
(you mocked "everyone knew" and I gave you one)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2020, 09:10:45 AM
When it takes 3 tries and you're already up 21 and you don't give it to the running back.....it kinda is.


The stats are the stats. He doesn't get the opportunities other top end backs get(Jones is really good back imo)and hes probably moving on. Unless the Pack flip the switch and offer him a crazy deal.


You play to win.  You win by scoring points the best way you can.  No GM is going to give Aaron Jones more or less money because he doesn't score a touchdown in a goal to go situation.  Smart GMs know his value.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
Interesting thing happened near the end of the Panthers game. With Panthers losing by 5 and facing a 3rd-and-8 at their 35, the final seconds ticked down to the 2-minute warning. Everybody was running around like chickens with their heads off, and the coaches told QB Teddy Bridgewater to just let the clock go down to 2 minutes so they could get a good play in. They still had 1 time-out, and plenty of time remaining.

But Bridgewater sensed that the Broncos weren't ready, hustled the team to the line and took the snap just as the clock hit 2. He then threw a terrible pass out of bounds, forcing a 4th-and-8; the next play (the first after the 2-minute warning) failed, effectively ending the game.

Afterward, the coach was clearly disappointed that Bridgewater had ignored instructions, and Bridgewater admitted he probably shouldn't have. And even the next day (yesterday), the coach -- who has been a players' coach big-time -- was still saying: “Teddy made a decision to run a play when we asked him not to.”

In the NFL, you usually don't hear this kind of frankness.

Bridgewater hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good. He has had a chance to lead a winning or tying drive 7 times, and he is 0-for-7. All of the failures weren't his fault, but he certainly was not part of the solution. He is a caretaker QB, holding the position warm for whomever the Panthers deem is their QB of the future. I'm not in love with any of the QBs not named Trevor in this draft, but I admit that I don't follow college football as closely as many.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 15, 2020, 10:20:25 AM
Exactly. Read up on what Ried thought about him after the Chiefs worked him out. Heck, Alex Smith had them at like 12-4 and was in the MVP discussion the first half of the year Mahomes’s rookie year and they traded him away.

Also, while “all 32 teams didn't mortgage the farm,” not all 32 teams traded picks to move up a single spot to take a guy who would’ve been there had they stayed where they were and who had started one year in college.

Fun fact:

One of the picks the Bears traded to get Trubisky ended up being Alvin Kamara.   The Saints acquired it from San Fran.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2020, 10:46:22 AM
I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.


Bridgewater hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good. He has had a chance to lead a winning or tying drive 7 times, and he is 0-for-7. All of the failures weren't his fault, but he certainly was not part of the solution. He is a caretaker QB, holding the position warm for whomever the Panthers deem is their QB of the future. I'm not in love with any of the QBs not named Trevor in this draft, but I admit that I don't follow college football as closely as many.

It’s not 1983, but it’s not a terrible QB draft. Fields and Lawrence are gone in the first 2 picks, so that is what it is. But Zach Wilson from BYU, Mac Jones from Bama, Trask from Florida, and Trey Lance from ND St are all really solid looking pro prospects.  Especially somewhere like Carolina where they can sit for a year or two with Teddy at the helm and a great back like CMC to aid them
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 10:56:35 AM
I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.

It’s not 1983, but it’s not a terrible QB draft. Fields and Lawrence are gone in the first 2 picks, so that is what it is. But Zach Wilson from BYU, Mac Jones from Bama, Trask from Florida, and Trey Lance from ND St are all really solid looking pro prospects.  Especially somewhere like Carolina where they can sit for a year or two with Teddy at the helm and a great back like CMC to aid them

I've read similar, so thanks for the confirmation. The Panthers have some nice, young parts but they still need so much that drafting a QB who isn't a sure thing makes me a little nervous, but I guess I have little choice but to trust the decision-makers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2020, 10:57:55 AM
I personally liked the inference that Reid and the Chiefs couldn’t have known Mahomes was good or loved him that much if they didn’t trade up to get him. Almost like part of a coach and GM’s job in the draft is knowing where other teams are leading and when to hold for value.


Exactly.  Although that can backfire too.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ravens-lewis-went-a-pick-too-soon-for-packers-308j3sf-189135481.html/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on December 15, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
Umm ... he did

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60782.msg1287570#msg1287570
and yes, the Chiefs management absolutely knew he was their franchise QB when they drafted him. Is that 'everybody'? no. did he get the start his rookie season because Smith broke his leg 10 months in the future while starting for a different team? no.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2020, 11:15:58 AM
and yes, the Chiefs management absolutely knew he was their franchise QB when they drafted him. Is that 'everybody'? no. did he get the start his rookie season because Smith broke his leg 10 months in the future while starting for a different team? no.


Smith's injury was SO BAD, it apparently made a now non-existent Chief's quarterback lose his starting job to Patrick Mahomes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on December 15, 2020, 09:29:30 PM
The NFL will prohibit mandatory local bubbles during the postseason.  But it will continue to allow teams to voluntarily house players in hotels:

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/nfl-memo-mandatory-bubbles-postseason-play/story?id=74749874

Other things their memo today mandated:

-Mandated that daily testing continue for seven days after the completion of a team's season.

• Clarified that players who are cleared on game day from isolation protocols will be eligible to participate.

• Changed return-to-play protocols for asymptomatic individuals, who will no longer be allowed to return after two consecutive negative tests and instead must wait a full 10 days after the positive specimen was passed while also getting clearance from a physician.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 16, 2020, 12:35:40 AM
He doesn't get the ball in the red zone. Hes basically a time share with Williams and thats god forbid if they do run the ball. HIs attempts and percentage of attempts are far lower than most of the other top 10ish backs.

Pack love their Rodgers td stat padding they will let Aaron throw 4 times from the 1 before giving it to Jones.

His average carries per game are more middling compared to other top flight backs as well.

Rodgers is the MVP right now so it's not exactly a bad thing to let him fling it. Unless youre Jones and you are looking to get paid and treated like a top NFL back. Which is why I think he goes elsewhere.

I look at this entire season as a tendency breaker. Jones scored 26 TDs last year, many of them in goal to go or redzone situations. Rodgers is infinitely more comfortable in the offense. Take your pick.

Jones is incredibly valuable for what he does, as well as what he's a constant threat to do. He's every bit as good as Kamara. I don't know if the Packers re-sign him, but it would change the entire complexion of the offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 16, 2020, 06:32:11 AM
I look at this entire season as a tendency breaker. Jones scored 26 TDs last year, many of them in goal to go or redzone situations. Rodgers is infinitely more comfortable in the offense. Take your pick.

Jones is incredibly valuable for what he does, as well as what he's a constant threat to do. He's every bit as good as Kamara. I don't know if the Packers re-sign him, but it would change the entire complexion of the offense.

Jones had 19 touchdowns last year.

He was averaging 18.9 touches per game last year. He’s averaging 19.0 touches per game this year.

He’s a great back. But he’s also running behind an incredible offensive line. He’ll go wherever the money takes him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 16, 2020, 06:52:18 AM
I don’t think the Packers would’ve drafted AJ Dillon so high if they planned on paying Jones big $$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 16, 2020, 08:35:05 AM
I don’t think the Packers would’ve drafted AJ Dillon so high if they planned on paying Jones big $$.

Which isn't great, because he has not looked impressive at all in the little bit of time he's found himself on the field.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 16, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
Which isn't great, because he has not looked impressive at all in the little bit of time he's found himself on the field.

23 rushes for 97 yards averaging 4.2/carry.   As a rookie.  Against three pretty good defenses.

He will be fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 16, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
23 rushes for 97 yards averaging 4.2/carry.   As a rookie.  Against three pretty good defenses.

He will be fine.


He's also missed half the season with Covid.  At the very least the jury is out on him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 16, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
Will we have the space to sign Williams? I can’t see us paying top dollar for Jones, but if Williams’ price is reasonable, I could see it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 16, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
Will we have the space to sign Williams? I can’t see us paying top dollar for Jones, but if Williams’ price is reasonable, I could see it.

Please no.  He averages under 4 per carry for his career.  He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.

IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere.  What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect.  RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish.  Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
Please no.  He averages under 4 per carry for his career.  He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.

IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere.  What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect.  RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish.  Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.

Absolutely re-sign him - if you can do it for backup money.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 16, 2020, 02:48:48 PM
Williams is great at picking up blitzes and catching the ball out of the backfield.  I know the organization thinks highly of him for those two reasons.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 16, 2020, 02:54:19 PM
Please no.  He averages under 4 per carry for his career.  He is a fine backup, but they'd better not throw money at him.

IMO, its better to draft a RB every year or two and just ride em until their rookie deal is done and then let them chase money elsewhere.  What the Packers did with Eddie Lacy is perfect.  RBs take too much abuse, and signing them to a deal after their rookie deal for a pile of money is generally foolish.  Spend the money on the OL and any college back can run behind some great blockers.
That’s the best approach with running backs. Good ones can be had in later rounds and their shelf life is short and drop off sudden.  Aaron Jones is a special one though so they may pony up for him.  Generally, the Packers won’t pay running backs, centers, guards or middle linebackers. They will let those guys walk and replace them with the draft. Corners, Tackles, Def line and edge rushers are their priorities it seems.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 16, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
That’s the best approach with running backs. Good ones can be had in later rounds and their shelf life is short and drop off sudden.  Aaron Jones is a special one though so they may pony up for him.  Generally, the Packers won’t pay running backs, centers, guards or middle linebackers. They will let those guys walk and replace them with the draft. Corners, Tackles, Def line and edge rushers are their priorities it seems.

Aaron Jones will be forgotten in two years, just like Eddie Lacy, Ahman Green, and Ryan Grant.

And Ahman Green was a 4 time pro bowler... Jones is a good back, love having him, but he has zero pro bowls and his tires will fall off on his next contract.  He is 5'9 200 lbs.  The hits he takes will take a toll.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 17, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
What a cluster eff of a finish.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2020, 07:48:15 AM
Raiders had second and goal at the 3 in OT.  If I am them, that gives me three downs to score.  Losing two yards on the next play was a problem, but you still have two downs to go five there.  Incomplete and FG.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
I expect the Packers to get lots of pressure on Bridgewater and several sacks. Meanwhile, Rodgers will do pretty much whatever he wants to do against my Panthers' secondary. I'd be pretty surprised if GB doesn't win by 2 TDs or more.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2020, 08:05:46 PM
Perfect. A terrible athlete with shot knees tries to leap over the pile, extends the football and blows what should have been a sure TD drive.

I'm so over Teddy Bridgewater. And I'm so tired of hearing that Joe Brady is a genius.

I hope Packers fans, or just smart gamblers, got their bets in on this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 19, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Teddy and Cassius Winston look alike to me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
Unusual bad coaching by LeFluer.

Running at will for a quarter and a half and then he turns into Matt Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2020, 10:22:14 PM
Packers managed to not cover. Stunned.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2020, 10:16:04 AM
For the second straight week, Panthers coach publicly calls out Bridgewater for making boneheaded mistakes ...

“That (fumble) was emblematic. You talk about a dramatic shift, had he done that on fourth down, I can live with it, right. But just not on first down, especially when I thought we ran the ball well when we did run it tonight,” Rhule said. “That’s a principle of our team, we don’t reach the ball across the goal line until fourth down.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2020, 12:15:40 PM
Unusual bad coaching by LeFluer.

Running at will for a quarter and a half and then he turns into Matt Nagy.

I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can.  The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide.  They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.

They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 20, 2020, 12:28:24 PM
I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can.  The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide.  They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.

They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.

I don’t know about that at all. If your standard for “taking the foot off the gas” is, “well, they didn’t score 20+ in the second half like they did in the first!” Then yeah I guess. But that seems like a pretty absurd expectation. Scoring 20+ points in a half is not an easy thing to do in the NFL.

In 2 years how many times have the Packers blown a 2 score lead and lost? Colts this year. Otherwise his 6 other losses were either getting dominated from start to finish or tight games the whole way. It really hasn’t been a problem at all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
If you’re fine with “it was close but they still won” then ok. But the Jax and Carolina games had no business being one possession games late with no second half offense to speak of. The Philly game while a bit fluke, was close late cause they coasted. The Packers have been fortunate for the most part and got the job done, but letting mediocre teams hang around is a recipe for disaster in the NFL.  There is a difference between scoring 20 in the second half and scoring 3 or 7/8.

Again, LaFleur is a good coach and is a far cry from pathetic game management like Nagy or Lynn.  But it’s just a curious divergence from an offense that often comes out firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 20, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
The problem was overcoaching. They built the big lead by running the ball early and often.

For some reason, that meant they had to change for the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 20, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
If the Jets hang on today, I might get asked to play QB for the Pats in Week 17.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2020, 06:43:30 PM
Jets can't even lose right!

Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 20, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
Jets can't even lose right!

Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?

Jags right now are in the drivers seat.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2020, 07:48:19 PM
REALLY excited for the Bears to finish 8-8 and Mitch playing moderately respectable the last few games. Resign Mitch, keep Nagy cause he finished with promise...and we can all ignore the Bears for the next 3 years as they chill in purgatory
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 20, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Patricia, the defensive savant, created the worst defense in the league.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 20, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
REALLY excited for the Bears to finish 8-8 and Mitch playing moderately respectable the last few games. Resign Mitch, keep Nagy cause he finished with promise...and we can all ignore the Bears for the next 3 years as they chill in purgatory

The only saving grace would be if the Packers annihilate the Bears in Week 17.

There’s always been a high degree of meatball attitude in the McCaskey family. If three straight wins over bad/mediocre teams convinces them to bring the whole gang back. What would be hilarious is them franchising Mitch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 21, 2020, 07:18:44 AM
I’ve talked about it here before. LaFleur is one of the worst coaches I’ve seen with a lead (insert joke about being with the Falcons for the SB collapse). He and Rodgers go into cruise control so early, and it comes back to bite them. One thing that sets the Chiefs apart the last few years is the killer instinct to bury teams when they can.  The Packers seem to want to get 2 scores up and then glide.  They are good enough and fortunate enough to escape, but there is little reason they shouldn’t be putting up even more points. They have scored over 40 just 3 times, only once since week 3, but have had over 20 points in the first half in about 5-6 other games.

They are a very good team, LaFleur is a good coach and a good offensive mind, but he’s just inflicted with the gun shy conservatism that 90% of the coaches in the league seem to have the minute the 3rd quarter begins and they are ahead.

Mike McCarthy used to do the same thing.  Drives me absolutely insane. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 21, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
If you’re fine with “it was close but they still won” then ok. But the Jax and Carolina games had no business being one possession games late with no second half offense to speak of. The Philly game while a bit fluke, was close late cause they coasted. The Packers have been fortunate for the most part and got the job done, but letting mediocre teams hang around is a recipe for disaster in the NFL.  There is a difference between scoring 20 in the second half and scoring 3 or 7/8.

Again, LaFleur is a good coach and is a far cry from pathetic game management like Nagy or Lynn.  But it’s just a curious divergence from an offense that often comes out firing on all cylinders.

I don't know.  I guess I just don't see it as a big deal, or see him "letting his foot off the gas too early" as being a trend.  Sure, they let some bad teams back door cover on them.  Does that concern me?  Not really.  Did you ever feel like the Packers were at a real risk of losing Saturday, or to the Jags, or to Philly?  I didn't.  If your team needs to A) get an onside kick, then score, then get a 2 point conversion, then win in overtime, or B) get a 3 and out and then drive 90 yards with 35 seconds and no timeouts and then get a 2 point conversion and then win in overtime, I'm not really concerned about losing in those situations.

In almost 2 seasons, I think LeFleur has lost a game he had the lead at any point twice (Colts and Bucs this year, and the lead was gone very quickly in the Bucs game).  Maybe one of the blowouts last year they scored first and then the blowout began?  But yeah, I just don't see this as a worrisome trend.  When the Packers have had the lead in the 2nd half of games, they've just about always won the game under LeFleur.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 21, 2020, 08:59:36 AM
The Packers are first in the league in first half scoring.  They are also first in the league in drop off to second half scoring.  But they only drop down to 11th in second half scoring overall.  I am not sure this is a problem, and I am definitely not sure it is a case of letting off the gas.  I think it is a combination of teams making adjustments to an excellent initial game plan, and the Packers defense setting up so not as to give up big plays.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
I was really shocked listening to WSCR this morning. Almost to a man, they are convinced Mitch has turned the corner.

Never once did I hear them mention that it has been against two of the absolute worst defenses in the league. And now they get Jacksonville.

Bears fans need to prepare to have Nagy and Trubisky around for a few more years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 21, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
I was really shocked listening to WSCR this morning. Almost to a man, they are convinced Mitch has turned the corner.

Never once did I hear them mention that it has been against two of the absolute worst defenses in the league. And now they get Jacksonville.

Bears fans need to prepare to have Nagy and Trubisky around for a few more years.

Yup

Seeing the offense/mitch succeed against bad defenses is some fool's gold.

However, the Oline and the playcalling does appear to be improved compared to earlier in the season. Injuries forced oline changes. And playcalls appear to favor individual strengths rather than trying to force any one style/scheme
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 21, 2020, 11:24:41 AM
Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 21, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.

I truly believe that was more a conflict of style/personality than ability. I'm not convinced Nagy likes mitch or thinks he can be successful (at least within the system Nagy wants to use). If Nagy could get rid of Mitch while keeping his own job, he'd be able to get his preferred QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2020, 11:49:11 AM
Jets can't even lose right!

Who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jags?

Sooooo....does Lawrence refuse to go to Jacksonville? I mean, they're an even more dysfunctional franchise than the Jets and probably won't be in Jacksonville within a few years.

Here's one for you 82, keep him in the Carolinas and have him force a trade to the Panthers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2020, 12:40:40 PM
Yup

Seeing the offense/mitch succeed against bad defenses is some fool's gold.

However, the Oline and the playcalling does appear to be improved compared to earlier in the season. Injuries forced oline changes. And playcalls appear to favor individual strengths rather than trying to force any one style/scheme

Isn’t the fact that the offensive line has improved an even bigger negative for Nagy? That he waited until the team was 10 games in before he made the personnel changes that led to the improvement? Those guys were there from the beginning of the season and he kept throwing Cowart out there every week?

These are the same guys who were anxious to get the human turnstyle (Jason Spriggs) back from injury so the O-line could improve.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 21, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Well, they probably shouldn't have made a QB change when they were sitting at 3-0.

2-0, they won the Falcons game after benching Trubisky.

Against the Lions in Week 1, he was 12-27 for 150 yards and a pick until the 4th quarter when the Lions do what they do and collapsed.  He also took a bad sack and fumbled that almost would have ended it if Leno didn’t fall on it.

In week 2, up 17-0 at halftime against a bad Giants team, Trubisky went 5-10 for 20 yards and 2 picks in the second half and they almost lost the game.

In that Falcons game, he was completely ineffective and threw another bad pick early in the 3rd quarter when they were already down 23-10 to a bad Falcons team before they made the switch and Foles lead the comeback.

The Bears were “undefeated” in spite of Trubisky. He had been mediocre at best before he was benched.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2020, 03:26:04 PM
Truly a nightmare scenario for Bears fans.

Running into what may literally be the worst 4 defenses in the league in a row at the end of a disastrous season.

Look good the last month and keep Pace and Nagy. Sign Trubisky to a six year, $100+ million contract.

Too good to be true for us GB fans?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 21, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
From what I’m hearing/seeing Thinking Pat Fitzgerald to the NFL this offseason may actually be a reality.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 21, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
If I understand the NFL tiebreakers correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the Packers game against the Titans does not matter. Win or lose against the Titans, beating the Bears will guarantee the 1 seed and losing to the Bears will guarantee a 2 or 3 seed depending on the results of the Saints and Seahawks games (except for a very convoluted situation where the Packers/Saints/Seahawks go 0-2 and the Bucs/Rams go 1-1, letting the Packers keep the 1 seed at 11-5).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 21, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
From what I’m hearing/seeing Thinking Pat Fitzgerald to the NFL this offseason may actually be a reality.


I really could understand if he wants to move on.  I am not sure what else he could accomplish at NW.

That being said, the history of coaches going from college to the NFL is obviously not very good.  Its even worse for coaches with zero NFL experience.  The only one I can think of, and is going into the WAY back machine, is Don Coryell.  And he succeeded because he was so damn innovative.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 21, 2020, 04:22:54 PM
RIP Kevin Greene. Will never forget the moment captured by NFL Films when he spoke to Clay Matthews right before his forced fumble in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 21, 2020, 04:27:07 PM

I really could understand if he wants to move on.  I am not sure what else he could accomplish at NW.


Yep. And there's no worse than a 40% chance that if the NFL doesn't work out, that job will be there if he wants it back. Most coaches at Northwestern are going to have a rough go, and bringing Fitzgerald back will always be a popular move.  I doubt that leaving for an NFL gig at this point would leave any bad blood, especially if the report is true that nine teams have asked after him over the past five years. He's been the head man since '06 and been on staff there since '01. He won a bunch and got those beautiful new facilities built - he's done plenty to take a shot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 21, 2020, 04:30:43 PM
Heard from a NU buddy of mine that if the Bears come calling he’s gone.

Would probably explain a bunch of their players declaring for the draft and entering the transfer portal. Not even backups, but starters are transferring out.

Hank announces his retirement, AD is leaving for the ACC, just too much smoke.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
Sooooo....does Lawrence refuse to go to Jacksonville? I mean, they're an even more dysfunctional franchise than the Jets and probably won't be in Jacksonville within a few years.

Here's one for you 82, keep him in the Carolinas and have him force a trade to the Panthers.

If only.

I wonder how much it would cost the Panthers to move up from #4 or 5, where it looks like they'll be, to #1.

The Panthers need so much that they really can't afford to give up something like three #1s and two #2, or whatever. So it probably won't happen. But damn!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
If I understand the NFL tiebreakers correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the Packers game against the Titans does not matter. Win or lose against the Titans, beating the Bears will guarantee the 1 seed and losing to the Bears will guarantee a 2 or 3 seed depending on the results of the Saints and Seahawks games (except for a very convoluted situation where the Packers/Saints/Seahawks go 0-2 and the Bucs/Rams go 1-1, letting the Packers keep the 1 seed at 11-5).


Mostly correct. Unless both Seattle and NO lose Sunday and GB wins. Then the Bears game would be meaningless to GB. I would still expect GB to use their starters (at least for most of the game against Chi) as you don't want a 3 week layoff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
Brady might only be a “system quarterback,” as his few critics claim, but the coach who devised that system made the playoffs (and usually won big in those playoffs) when he had Brady ... but is oh-fer without Brady.

Meanwhile, Brady’s gonna make the playoffs in a whole nother system with a sad-sack franchise.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 21, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
Brady might only be a “system quarterback,” as his few critics claim, but the coach who devised that system made the playoffs (and usually won big in those playoffs) when he had Brady ... but is oh-fer without Brady.

Meanwhile, Brady’s gonna make the playoffs in a whole nother system with a sad-sack franchise.

I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.

Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 21, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.

Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges

Also, I think a bunch of Patriot defensive starters opted out this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 21, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.

Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges



I would suggest that BB the GM has been the biggest problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2020, 09:42:11 PM
I mean, he won 11 games with Matt Cassell and made history in not making the playoffs that year with their record. He also has a good record with Brissett and Jimmy G in their starts. This year he has a QB with a shot shoulder off major surgery and tons of hard miles in addition to the worst team the Pats have had in years outside of the QB position.

Meanwhile Brady has EASILY the best receiving core in the league, a likely Pro Bowler at RB, and an offensive minded HC who has covered up his failing arm and bad decision making. They aren’t riding his exceptional play to victory. Not quite apples to oranges

I won't dispute any of that.

I was going to say I won't dispute all the facts in my post ... except I will. In looking up Belichick's record just now, I was reminded that he actually did make the playoffs once with a QB not named Brady. The 1994 Browns made the playoffs, and they won their first playoff game, over New England, with Vinny Testaverde at QB. So I sit corrected.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2020, 07:52:42 AM
How 'bout the Steelers?

That went real bad real fast.

11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Lazar's Headband on December 22, 2020, 08:00:33 AM

Mostly correct. Unless both Seattle and NO lose Sunday and GB wins. Then the Bears game would be meaningless to GB. I would still expect GB to use their starters (at least for most of the game against Chi) as you don't want a 3 week layoff.

Packers would not need a Saints loss if they win, only Seattle.   Saints already have 4 losses and the Packers won head to head.

If Seattle loses to the Rams, the Packers can clinch the 1 seed Sunday night against the Titans.  And, as was said, the Packers get the 1 seed if they beat the Bears regardless of what else happens.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 22, 2020, 08:16:23 AM
How 'bout the Steelers?

That went real bad real fast.

11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.


There has to be something wrong with Ben.  He looks shot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 22, 2020, 08:19:02 AM
How 'bout the Steelers?

That went real bad real fast.

11-0 ... and then 0-3, with each loss worse than the one before.

If the Cleveland wins this week against the Jets and Pittsburgh loses this week against the Colts - neither of which would be particularly shocking - week 17 in Cleveland will be wild. The Browns and the Steelers will be tied and playing for the division title on the last day of the season. I hope the NFL would flex this game to Sunday night.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Hards_Alumni on December 22, 2020, 08:33:29 AM

There has to be something wrong with Ben.  He looks shot.

He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career.  It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2020, 10:36:09 AM

There has to be something wrong with Ben.  He looks shot.




Ethanol and chasin' tail kinda duz dat after a bit, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 22, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career.  It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.

Sure, but look at his stats early in the year versus the last couple games. It’s not just the defenses they were playing, he can’t throw a long ball and has no accuracy anymore. That wasn’t the case early in the season. It looks like he’s nursing something they haven’t disclosed. His arm is stiff and weak.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
If the Cleveland wins this week against the Jets and Pittsburgh loses this week against the Colts - neither of which would be particularly shocking - week 17 in Cleveland will be wild. The Browns and the Steelers will be tied and playing for the division title on the last day of the season. I hope the NFL would flex this game to Sunday night.

In the olden days (such as all the way back to last season), this would have been a huge deal. But only the No. 1 seed gets a first-round bye this season, so it doesn't matter as much. Still, for the Browns to win the division after years of futility, for the Steelers to blow it after an 11-0 start, and for the Browns to beat the Steelers to make all that happen, yep, that would be something.

He's going to be 39 in 3 months and has been injured almost every year of his career.  It had to catch up with him eventually... just surprised his body has held out this long.

Was thinking the same. But ESPN is reporting that he doesn't want to retire after the season.

Cam Newton says he wants to keep playing, too, and his arm looks even more shot than Ben's.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 22, 2020, 01:21:27 PM
Sure, but look at his stats early in the year versus the last couple games. It’s not just the defenses they were playing, he can’t throw a long ball and has no accuracy anymore. That wasn’t the case early in the season. It looks like he’s nursing something they haven’t disclosed. His arm is stiff and weak.

Without a running game the LBs are able to drop back making the intermediate passes more difficult.

They will be lucky to win one game in the playoffs.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 24, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
Lions requested their Saturday night game be moved to Sunday due to COVID.   Because Detroit, the league said no.   So most of the coaching staff will still be in quarantine and the Lions will be coached by assistants far down the food chain, none of whom having ever called plays in am NFL game.   It should be interesting to see how the line responds to this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
Lions requested their Saturday night game be moved to Sunday due to COVID.   Because Detroit, the league said no.   So most of the coaching staff will still be in quarantine and the Lions will be coached by assistants far down the food chain, none of whom having ever called plays in am NFL game.   It should be interesting to see how the line responds to this.


It certainly can't hurt, can it?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 24, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
Should just let Stafford call his own plays.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 25, 2020, 08:32:24 AM
They NFL has moved how many games around?   But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available.   One day.   Back to the regular day.   Detroit.

If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 25, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
They NFL has moved how many games around?   But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available.   One day.   Back to the regular day.   Detroit.

If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...

It’s because it’s a Saturday game in a dedicated time slot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 25, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
It’s because it’s a Saturday game in a dedicated time slot.

That, and the outbreak is controlled I assume. Similar to Denver having to use a WR at QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 25, 2020, 01:18:59 PM
They NFL has moved how many games around?   But when all Detroit asked was to play on Sunday so their coaches would be available.   One day.   Back to the regular day.   Detroit.

If Tampa had asked so Brady could be available...
Might be an improvement, hey.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2020, 04:56:26 PM
Saints running through Vikings like a warm knife through butter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 25, 2020, 06:18:09 PM
Saints running through Vikings like a warm knife through butter.

Good effort by the Quitter Queens.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2020, 06:20:49 PM
5 seconds after Buck and Aikman said Payton knew about the record and would give Kamara a chance for TD#6, Payton took Kamara out of the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 25, 2020, 06:27:05 PM
Kamara killing me in both my fantasy championships. Of course.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 25, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
That, and the outbreak is controlled I assume. Similar to Denver having to use a WR at QB.


Yeah, that’s why the league said Denver had to play as scheduled. As long as you have the designated minimum number of players, you play. Apparently there was no similar requirement for coaches.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on December 25, 2020, 08:10:05 PM
Alvin Kamara (and Aaron Jones) are why you don't take a back in the 1st round anymore (waves to Jerry Jones).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 25, 2020, 11:11:18 PM
Alvin Kamara (and Aaron Jones) are why you don't take a back in the 1st round anymore (waves to Jerry Jones).

But Kamara also got a huge payday which you’re not supposed to do anymore either
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 26, 2020, 12:55:30 PM
With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 26, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.
(Except Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
So after the Jacksonville game yesterday, the Bears will have played the 4 worst defenses in the NFL in a row.

Chicago sports talk radio would have us believe the Bears are scoring more points because Mitch has figured things out. They are talking about the need to bring Mitch back next year.

Please do.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 26, 2020, 03:39:46 PM
With the game yesterday (Friday), the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play every day of the week in the same season.

What?  They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on December 26, 2020, 05:48:26 PM
The Cleveland Browns will be without 4 wide receivers for their game tomorrow due to contact tracing after a positive Covid test:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30600941/cleveland-browns-delay-flight-player-tests-positive-covid-19

Their flight to New York was delayed for 4 hours while they did the contact tracing.  Starting receivers Jarvis Landry and Rashard Higgins, along with key backups Donovan Peoples-Jones and KhaDarel Hodge are out tomorrow and they had to call up two players from the practice sqad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
What?  They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.

They tied a record by playing all their games on days ending in "Y."
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 26, 2020, 06:14:51 PM
What?  They've played 13 games on Sunday, 1 game on Monday, and 1 game on Friday.

it was a graphic on ESPN this morning
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 26, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
it was a graphic on ESPN this morning

An NFL game has been played on every day of the week for the first time.  Not limoted to the Vikings.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2020, 06:29:38 PM
What a lousy final drive by the Cardinals. 6 yard pass completions to the middle of the field down 8, inside your own territory with no timeouts.

Just terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
Nice choke job by Kliff Kingsbury, Kyler Murray and the AZ Cardinals.

Door is open for the magnificent Bears!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 26, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
Can’t figure out if the cardinals are any good. They have a couple wins but some really bad losses.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 26, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Nice choke job by Kliff Kingsbury, Kyler Murray and the AZ Cardinals.

Door is open for the magnificent Bears!

Making the playoffs would be the worst thing for the Bears franchise.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 26, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
An NFL game has been played on every day of the week for the first time.  Not limoted to the Vikings.

Lol.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2020, 09:06:21 PM
My hot take...

Cardinals should fire Kingsbury and hire Saleh as HC. Kingsbury is not a good coach. Saleh already knows the NFC West, the Cardinals problems are a below average defense and lack of TE and a burner on offense. I think Saleh would be very successful there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 09:23:30 PM
Can’t figure out if the cardinals are any good. They have a couple wins but some really bad losses.

Yeah ... like their loss to the inept Panthers.

My hot take...

Cardinals should fire Kingsbury and hire Saleh as HC. Kingsbury is not a good coach. Saleh already knows the NFC West, the Cardinals problems are a below average defense and lack of TE and a burner on offense. I think Saleh would be very successful there.

Makes sense ... so it won’t happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2020, 09:47:54 PM
First time watching Miami this year.

Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 26, 2020, 09:57:16 PM
First time watching Miami this year.

Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.

I hate Tuna too. Smells awful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 26, 2020, 10:03:35 PM
Making the playoffs would be the worst thing for the Bears franchise.

I can’t emphasize this enough. I’m f-ing livid at all the morons who are excited about the Bears having an outside chance at the playoffs. It would be beyond a disaster in terms of both buying Nagy multiple years and a likely long term $$$$ deal for Mitch.

First time watching Miami this year.

Tuna is really bad. I had a stronger arm in junior high.

He’s looked good at times. The Dolphins are just in a weird situation at the position. They know Tua is the future and he has moments, but they are also in the thick of a playoff race and can’t let him learn and fail on the job. Fitz is a far better QB and team manager now

Speak of the devil, wow
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 26, 2020, 10:19:22 PM
What a game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 26, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
Unbelievable.

Take the damn points. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2020, 10:26:00 PM
I honestly have no idea how Fitzpatrick made that throw with his head literally turned 90 degrees.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
I told my wife at the time - I’d rather have an  8 point lead with 50 seconds that a 2 point lead with 23 seconds left.

Smart for Jacobs to go down on 1st and 2nd down, but go for the points on 3rd down.

Always try to win rather than try not to lose
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2020, 10:34:53 PM
Two other baffling Raiders decisions:

On 3rd and goal, knowing you are going to kick it, why not have Carr take a couple yards back and kneel to kill 2 more seconds? If you re-watch, Carr kneels instantly, burning no additional time off.

On the last kickoff, make the Dolphins return it. A kickoff to the 10 will either be fair caught or returned and burn 7ish seconds. The reward is greater than the risk in that situation.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 26, 2020, 10:51:15 PM
Two other baffling Raiders decisions:

On 3rd and goal, knowing you are going to kick it, why not have Carr take a couple yards back and kneel to kill 2 more seconds? If you re-watch, Carr kneels instantly, burning no additional time off.

On the last kickoff, make the Dolphins return it. A kickoff to the 10 will either be fair caught or returned and burn 7ish seconds. The reward is greater than the risk in that situation.
Solid observations.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Gruden’s team collapses - lost 5 of their last 6.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
Gruden’s team collapses - lost 5 of their last 6.

Wasn't the only game that they won against the Jets when Greg Williams was worse than Chuckie?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 27, 2020, 12:29:39 AM
I’m an absolute sucker for basketball and football manipulation of the clock with the rulebook. I think it’s incredibly smart to do things outside the box.

I can’t take credit for these ideas, but I love them both.

On third and goal, the Raiders could have told everyone on the line of scrimmage to tackle/hold their defender, and had Carr sprint back to the 7 yard line. As soon as a defender gets near Carr, he simply takes a knee. The Dolphins would of course decline the penalty, so the game clock would restart and run.

When the Fins got the ball with 19 seconds left, every Raider defender in coverage commits illegal contact or holding (blatantly tackling the receiver). The risk here is someone gets up, completes a reception and gets out of bounds before getting to Fitz. Most likely Fitz scrambles and runs out of bounds, but the clock burns here. Downside is the five yard penalty gives Miami at least one more play. However, the ball at this point is at the Miami 30, now with most likely the clock under ten seconds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 27, 2020, 10:13:07 AM
I’m an absolute sucker for basketball and football manipulation of the clock with the rulebook. I think it’s incredibly smart to do things outside the box.

I can’t take credit for these ideas, but I love them both.

On third and goal, the Raiders could have told everyone on the line of scrimmage to tackle/hold their defender, and had Carr sprint back to the 7 yard line. As soon as a defender gets near Carr, he simply takes a knee. The Dolphins would of course decline the penalty, so the game clock would restart and run.

When the Fins got the ball with 19 seconds left, every Raider defender in coverage commits illegal contact or holding (blatantly tackling the receiver). The risk here is someone gets up, completes a reception and gets out of bounds before getting to Fitz. Most likely Fitz scrambles and runs out of bounds, but the clock burns here. Downside is the five yard penalty gives Miami at least one more play. However, the ball at this point is at the Miami 30, now with most likely the clock under ten seconds.

I think the easiest way to do it would’ve just been to score the touchdown, go for 2 and make them score a touchdown (regardless of the 2 point attempt) in 50 seconds with no timeouts.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 27, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
The Kmet end around when a QB sneak would do on the half yard line is why Nagy should be fired
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 27, 2020, 01:20:27 PM
Holy hell Trubi is terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on December 27, 2020, 01:26:57 PM
Impressive display of football to end the half in the Bears/Jags game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 27, 2020, 01:30:33 PM
The Kmet end around when a QB sneak would do on the half yard line is why Nagy should be fired

This is why Nagy is a complete and utter a**hole. Dude thinks he is the smartest guy not only in the room, but the entire league. And it’s not “you take the good with the bad”, cause 95% of his gadget run plays are complete and utter trash.

Holy hell Trubi is terrible.

Cant wait to watch that highlight again in my mind in 3 months after the Bears extend him.

Other highlights from that miserable last 2 min...Smith making a great pick, running it back, and seemingly looking to, at best, switch hands to continue to be a return hero, at worst, looking to f-ing lateral it.  Either way, he fumbles and is SUPER lucky to get it back.

Then, Bears actually smartly take the quick slant to the wide open middle of the field with the Jags in prevent...but then Kmet IMMEDIATELY sits down despite tons of field and tons of time. Id much rather have a 35 yarder than a 40.  It’s not the worst thing ever, but it just feels like further lack of coaching and game awareness and field sense that the Bears are plagued with
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 27, 2020, 01:36:44 PM

It certainly can't hurt, can it?
It's the Lions.   It can hurt.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 27, 2020, 01:42:48 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a team go from "Dolphins watch" to "I hope we play them in the playoffs" as fast as the Steelers....
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 27, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
That was a hit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 02:15:13 PM
Will be interesting to watch Henry bounce off the packers defense in the snow tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 27, 2020, 02:16:32 PM
Kind of funny that among the teams that benefit from a loss, the team that DGAF the most today...is the Chiefs. Reid is treating it like practice. Mahomes is disinterested and lazy with his throws.  They’ll still win cause the Falcons and Matt Ryan suck. But my god they are uninspired.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 02:18:38 PM
Will be interesting to watch Henry bounce off the packers defense in the snow tonight.

Get that big ole contract ready, Pace. You were right all along - Mitch was a steal at #2.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 05:02:09 PM
The NFC East and the AFC Wild Card pictures are absolutely nuts.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 27, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Nice of the Panthers to shake up the QB situation even further in Washington by not even attempting to try while Heinicke was in there late.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 27, 2020, 06:18:12 PM
Nice of the Panthers to shake up the QB situation even further in Washington by not even attempting to try while Heinicke was in there late.


It can be quite difficult to distinguish between when the Panthers are trying and when they aren’t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
Meaningless game for the packers tonight. Will be interesting to see how they approach the game. No injuries please.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 06:56:30 PM
Meaningless game for the packers tonight. Will be interesting to see how they approach the game. No injuries please.

Um..

No its not.

They lose tonight. And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield. Assuming the Saints dont lose to Panthers next week.

Pack need to win tonight to lock up the bye and homefield
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
Um..

No its not.

They lose tonight. And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield. Assuming the Saints dont lose to Panthers next week.

Pack need to win tonight to lock up the bye and homefield


Wrong. If the Packers lose tonight and then beat the Bears, they get home field throughout the Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 07:41:50 PM

Wrong. If the Packers lose tonight and then beat the Bears, they get home field throughout the Playoffs.

Uhh no sh it. I literally said that.

"And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield"

My post was exactly right. The Pack have something to play for tonight because nothing is wrapped up yet
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 08:13:56 PM
Uhh no sh it. I literally said that.

"And lose again next week against Chicago(who has everything to play for as well) and they lose homefield"

My post was exactly right. The Pack have something to play for tonight because nothing is wrapped up yet

No you said if they lose tonight and next week then they lose home field as long as NO wins.

That’s wrong. Tonight’s game doesn’t matter. If they beat the Bears, they have the bye. Whether they win or lose tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 08:23:02 PM
No you said if they lose tonight and next week then they lose home field as long as NO wins.

That’s wrong. Tonight’s game doesn’t matter. If they beat the Bears, they have the bye. Whether they win or lose tonight.

Dude yes todays game does matter. Because If they win tonight(which they are going to). They wrap up the bye. Its over. Done. Next week they could lose by 300 million.

If they lose tonight. They must win next week(assuming Saints win next week).

I literally said that in the post you quoted. Like word for word. My god.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 08:29:21 PM
Dude yes todays game does matter. Because If they win tonight(which they are going to). They wrap up the bye. Its over. Done. Next week they could lose by 300 million.
Dude go do some research.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Dude go do some research.

What research?

The packers are 11-3

The Saints are 11-4

If the Packers lose to the Titans they are 11-4 as well.

The Packers beat the Saints head to head and own the Tiebreaker. Therefore the Packers clinch the bye next week IF they beat the Bears or the Saints lose the Panthers.

But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.

It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 08:35:32 PM

But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.

It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
Ahh, I see you didn’t go do your research.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 08:41:25 PM
ANYWAYS, hope that failed 4th down wasn’t a momentum killer. Titans finally figuring things out on offense. Packers need a score on their first drive of the second half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 27, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
What research?

The packers are 11-3

The Saints are 11-4

If the Packers lose to the Titans they are 11-4 as well.

The Packers beat the Saints head to head and own the Tiebreaker. Therefore the Packers clinch the bye next week IF they beat the Bears or the Saints lose the Panthers.

But the Packers can clinch the bye right here tonight with a WIN.


It's really that simple. This game matters. They can wrap up homefield in the next 32 minutes. And rest all they want next week.
A win tonight doesn't clinch anything. They have to win next week or seattle loss.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 08:49:10 PM
Ahh, I see you didn’t go do your research.

Oh my bad I forgot about Seattle still being in it with 4 losses. So they can't clinch this week.

But this week still matters because winning this week lock them at 12 wins. That way they automatically take out the Saints from the equation and they make it so that Seattle must win while the Pack lose to Chicago.(Saints can only win a 3 way tie)

If the Pack win tonight. They can clinch with a loss next week(albeit unlikely) with Seattle losing next week as well.

If Pack lose tonight and next week. They will also need NO to lose to Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Oh my bad I forgot about Seattle still being in it with 4 losses. So they can't clinch this week.

But this week still matters because winning this week lock them at 12 wins. That way they automatically take out the Saints from the equation and they make it so that Seattle must win while the Pack lose to Chicago.(Saints can only win a 3 way tie)

If the Pack win tonight. They can clinch with a loss next week(albeit unlikely) with Seattle losing next week as well.

If Pack lose tonight and next week. They will also need NO to lose to Carolina.

We all knew that except for you. But go ahead and continue to be a know-it-all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
We all knew that except for you. But go ahead and continue to be a know-it-all.

Yet, I said "tonight matters". It does. It increases the odds. Thus mattering.

And again, your initial comment to me was stating, That the Pack can clinch next week with a win verse Chicago. Which I literally said in the post you quoted. And then I requoted.

So if "what you all knew" was that they cannot clinch homefield tonight. You should have said that instead of saying "wrong" and then repeating exactly what I said.

You got yourself to blame. Sorry.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
Packers needed that bad. Yikes Vrabel.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2020, 09:09:11 PM
That was a brutal no challenge by Titans.


Rodgers to Adams is insane.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 27, 2020, 09:21:52 PM
This has been a very rough game for the officials.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO THE BIG BOY ON SHORT YARDAGE!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
Really enjoyed the AJ Dillon coming out party. Perfect conditions for his style tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 27, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Really enjoyed the AJ Dillon coming out party. Perfect conditions for his style tonight.
Hopefully we see more of him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 27, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
This has been a very rough game for the officials.
2 major missed calls. Moot point, Packers dominating.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 27, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
2 major missed calls. Moot point, Packers dominating.

Packers would have won going away no matter, my point was both calls weren’t even borderline, just egregious misses.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 10:02:09 PM
MVP race is over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 27, 2020, 10:04:59 PM
I’ve been hard on Pettine this year, but he had a plan tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 27, 2020, 10:07:01 PM
Packers would have won going away no matter, my point was both calls weren’t even borderline, just egregious misses.
Right,  the out of bounds play could have been challenged. Packers probably go down and score anyway.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2020, 10:08:59 PM
Probably the most consistent performance by the packers this season. Good time to start peaking.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2020, 10:35:17 PM
Just heard a stunning factoid: Panthers and Hornets won on the same day for the first time since October 2017.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 27, 2020, 11:44:28 PM
Just heard a stunning factoid: Panthers and Hornets won on the same day for the first time since October 2017.

NBA capped off a WEIRD sports day. Browns lose a near MUST win to the f-ing Jets. Chiefs sneak by a hapless Falcons team at home. Then you move to the NBA, Nets lose to the Hornets who were on a back to back. Bucks look HORRIFIC against a bad Knicks team who are also on a back to back. And the Celtics lose their second in a row, after beating the Bucks, to a Pacers team also on a back to back resting Oladipo. Pro sports can be bizarre
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2020, 07:35:13 AM
NBA capped off a WEIRD sports day. Browns lose a near MUST win to the f-ing Jets. Chiefs sneak by a hapless Falcons team at home. Then you move to the NBA, Nets lose to the Hornets who were on a back to back. Bucks look HORRIFIC against a bad Knicks team who are also on a back to back. And the Celtics lose their second in a row, after beating the Bucks, to a Pacers team also on a back to back resting Oladipo. Pro sports can be bizarre

We have some folks here who love betting on anything and everything, but your comment highlights why I pass on that activity. Sincere props for those good enough to make real money on those wagers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
Hey, the Bears can sign Dwayne Haskins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2020, 01:38:06 PM
Hey, the Bears can sign Dwayne Haskins.

Talk about a dumpster fire. He was SOOOO bad yesterday against the Panthers, and he obviously has other issues, too.

There are coaches/OCs who believe they can "save" players like this, especially if they believe he really is talented. I mean, even Ryan Leaf got second and third chances.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 28, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
If I were a Fins fan, I’d be both excited about my team’s future, and going crazy at the “what if?”. Considering where the Texans pick will end up, most likely third, it’s fascinating to me if they would have drafted Herbert over Tua. If one assumes Herbert would have excelled in Miami like he is in LA, the Fins could (potentially) have gotten Sewell at 3 in 2021. They’d have a franchise QB and a franchise LT both on rookie deals. They’d still have their own first rounder, the Texans second rounder (pick 35 or 36) and their own second rounder. That’s three other high end, extremely inexpensive starters. That’s just the first two rounds, they can add depth or a potential starter or two from the rest of their picks.

Now they still have all that capital, and have a tough decision to make at three because Tua is still an unknown. I don’t think they’d do it, but it’d be an interesting godfather offer to Jacksonville to offer Tua, both first rounders this year, and both second rounders this year for the #1 overall pick. That offer might even require next years first.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2020, 09:37:19 PM
I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 28, 2020, 09:41:40 PM
I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.

The talent is there. The consistency is not yet. Very high ceiling, obviously.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 29, 2020, 12:33:19 AM
I'm starting to see Josh Allen make throws I thought only ARod and Mahomes could make.

It seems something has clicked in his head and he put it together this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 29, 2020, 12:35:55 AM
A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.

How things have changed!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2020, 07:31:17 AM
Panthers had been allowing 5000-6000 fans per game but not allowing any other than family members for season finale vs Saints. We aren't the worst COVID-19 state, but things aren't good here.

Saints would get No. 1 seed in the NFC with a win, a Packers loss and a Seahawks win, all of which are viable. Panthers are playing very hard and, at times, fairly well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2020, 07:39:06 AM
A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.

How things have changed!

But Detroit is eternal.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 29, 2020, 07:40:52 AM
A few years ago the NFL version is being sent to Siberia was Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City.

How things have changed!


I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia." 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 29, 2020, 08:37:43 AM

I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia."

That was my thought. Beyond weather, the only time they’ve truly been “bad” was under Herm Edwards, and that was only a few years. Haley was bad, but they still won their division. Otherwise it was fairly regular playoff appearances going back 30 years to the start of the Schottenheimer era
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 29, 2020, 10:22:24 AM

I don't think anyone ever considered Kansas City the NFL's "Siberia."

I was thinking a few years ago

KC Record

2012    2-14-0   
2011    7-9-0
2010    10-6-0
2009    4-12-0
2008    2-14-0
2007    4-12-0
2006    9-7-0
2005    10-6-0
2004    7-9-0
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2020, 11:15:50 AM
I was thinking a few years ago

KC Record

2012    2-14-0   
2011    7-9-0
2010    10-6-0
2009    4-12-0
2008    2-14-0
2007    4-12-0
2006    9-7-0
2005    10-6-0
2004    7-9-0

In Cleveland, that stretch would have been known as "the good times"!

I'm not disputing what you really said, though. (Or at least what I thought you were saying.) The teams/areas that had been considered part of the NFL wasteland is suddenly at or near the top of the heap.

One of the things I love about sports is the cyclical nature of it. That's doubly true of the NFL. That the Patriots stayed at or near the top for so long was incredible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 29, 2020, 12:09:26 PM
Talk about a dumpster fire. He was SOOOO bad yesterday against the Panthers, and he obviously has other issues, too.

There are coaches/OCs who believe they can "save" players like this, especially if they believe he really is talented. I mean, even Ryan Leaf got second and third chances.

On First Take this morning one the talking heads referred to Haskins being cut as “white privilege.” WTF?

It’s actually a case where Rivera overruled Snyder, the guy who drafted Haskins.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2020, 02:36:43 PM
On First Take this morning one the talking heads referred to Haskins being cut as “white privilege.” WTF?

It’s actually a case where Rivera overruled Snyder, the guy who drafted Haskins.

I have never seen First Take and I'm not about to start now, so I can't comment on what they did or didn't say.

Haskins really, really sucked. That I can comment on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on December 29, 2020, 03:49:07 PM
First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 29, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.


The definition of clickbait.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 29, 2020, 04:40:24 PM
First Take has always been produced to create inane positions to make people react strongly. I sincerely doubt there’s one person alive who thinks white privilege caused Haskins to get cut... including whoever said that this morning.

Same as Jemele Hill and Cari Champion asking Jake Paul if it was racist to knock out Nate Robinson. Except that was so bad that they immediately tried to back track with “it’s a joke!” And got lauded for “trolling”

Lowest common denominator nonsense
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 31, 2020, 06:08:21 PM
Yikes, word out that Bakhtiari is out for the year on an injury, maybe torn ACL. Horrible timing for him and the team. Ugh.

Also probably means he’ll miss pretty much all of next season. What a gut punch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 31, 2020, 06:40:15 PM
Yikes, word out that Bakhtiari is out for the year on an injury, maybe torn ACL. Horrible timing for him and the team. Ugh.

Also probably means he’ll miss pretty much all of next season. What a gut punch.

That’s brutal, and a gigantic loss for their playoff run. I’d imagine like you mentioned, his 2021 season is in peril.

For his sake, I’m glad he signed his new paper when he did.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 01, 2021, 03:33:24 PM
If I were a Fins fan... I’d be both excited about my team’s future, and going crazy at the “what if?”...
 I don’t think they’d do it, but it’d be an interesting godfather offer to Jacksonville to offer Tua, both first rounders this year, and both second rounders this year for the #1 overall pick. That offer might even require next years first.

Pretty much.  I was all in on Tua over Herbert going into the draft, so was relieved how it turned out at the time. Maybe its just emotional sunk cost, but I'm still bullish enough on Tua that I don't lose sleep yet on Herbert's results. Herbert is a good player and will rack up stats, but you know Tua's teammates go to his birthday party and his college skills are all still in there somewhere. So while I'm also relieved that the luster is wearing off Fields (think that will get worse again tonight) because it saves one tough decision, the Lawrence question is very real.  The Dolphins are the only team with the draft capital to realistically make a run at getting him , and if you think there's a good chance he'll be a top 3 NFL QB in 2024, you have to do it. I still think I want to build around Tua, because even if he doesn't evolve to huck it like those other guys, he doesn't have the personality to go out there and lose you games. But if Jacksonville would be willing to deal, its something Miami has to at least consider.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 01, 2021, 03:39:51 PM
I liked Herbert almost as much as Burrow going into the Draft. I thought, and still think, Tua would be a decent but not great starting NFL QB. I wouldn’t give up that much for Lawrence. And if I were the Jags, I wouldn’t give up the top pick for less than that. So I think the Jags stay where they are.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 01, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
Jacksonville would never give up that pick. Not only is Lawrence a potential franchise QB, but he could be an iconic figure for a franchise that has never had one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
Makes so much sense for Jax to hire Urban Meyer and let him build the team around Lawrence. Nobody goes to Jags games; that would change instantly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 01, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
I liked Herbert almost as much as Burrow going into the Draft. I thought, and still think, Tua would be a decent but not great starting NFL QB. I wouldn’t give up that much for Lawrence. And if I were the Jags, I wouldn’t give up the top pick for less than that. So I think the Jags stay where they are.

The feelings on Herbert looking pretty good right now. I agree with everything else you said here.  And my aqua-colored glasses say that a good but not great QB can win a super bowl with the type of resources and draft capital Miami has. But swapping a Mahomes for a David Carr certainly gives a team a lot fewer outs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
Jacksonville would never give up that pick. Not only is Lawrence a potential franchise QB, but he could be an iconic figure for a franchise that has never had one.

Mark Brunell?

As for the Dolphins, no way they should do it. Tua is only 22, he’s been inconsistent but he’s not been bad by any stretch this year. He’s had a short leash cause they are in playoff contention and they have a super sub backup in Fitz who is as good as any coming off the bench cold.  I get the Lawrence allure, but they had a pretty good team with a young QB and a ton of good draft capital. They are in a really nice spot
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 01, 2021, 09:46:39 PM
My three hour old prediction on Fields has aged... poorly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on January 02, 2021, 08:00:09 AM
The Saints have placed Alvin Kamara on the reserve/Covid list after he tested positive for Covid.  He will not play tomorrow against the Panthers and may miss the first playoff game if the Saints don't get the #1 seed in the NFC:

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_59519c62-4c77-11eb-8d02-0fa31a121bcf.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on January 02, 2021, 08:12:23 AM
The Browns have shut down their facility for now and are doing contact tracing after a member of the Coaching Staff has tested positive for Covid - https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1345371230514409474
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 02, 2021, 08:16:34 AM
The Bengals apparently have a couple of players test positive and/or are symptomatic. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 03, 2021, 01:27:11 PM
Such a Lion way to end a half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 01:32:02 PM
The Dolphins are going to need to trade up for Lawrence or Fields.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 03, 2021, 02:00:24 PM
The Jets have become a friggin' juggernaut.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 03, 2021, 02:31:16 PM
Most Lions roughing the passer call ever.  Wow.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 03, 2021, 03:11:38 PM
The Browns are in! Woo hoo! And looks like they might get the Steelers again - which I think is better than getting matched up with the Bills or Titans.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 03:29:24 PM
Refs already caught up in the Soldier Field mystique!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 03:31:05 PM
I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.

Worst special team in the league strikes early.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
This is Fox’s second crew, how did they not have a camera angle from the reverse sideline?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 03:35:43 PM
I really think Patterson touched that ball before he went out of bounds but understand why it didn’t get reversed.

Replay was inconclusive either way. I just don’t know how the ref originally called him out at the 1 and then changed his call without replay. Even ran the clock for 1 second.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 03:42:14 PM
Defense got completely outmuscled on the first drive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 03, 2021, 03:45:27 PM
I still don't understand the opening kick off ruling. The ball never went ob
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 03, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
I still don't understand the opening kick off ruling. The ball never went ob

If the player is out of bounds when he initially touches the ball, the KO is ruled out of bounds.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 03, 2021, 03:58:15 PM
Got it. Thanks Fluffster, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Best part of no fans is some of the onfield audio that picks up, like hearing Davante yelling “are you f-ing serious” to the field judge who didn’t throw the flag on PI.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 03:59:50 PM
I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:03:05 PM
I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.
Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 04:03:34 PM
I can’t believe that Field Judge didn’t throw a flag. Adams had every right to MF that guy.

Hah. Davante certainly wasn’t happy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?

Yup, same guy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:07:29 PM
Worst special team in the league strikes early.
How can they be this bad?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 04:09:02 PM
Have I said it yet today?

Worst special teams in the league. Even compared to the crappy ones they have had.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 04:11:55 PM
Deciding on a field goal on 4th and short is less than ideal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 03, 2021, 04:12:18 PM
Uh yeah. Not sure on ref positioning but is that the same guy that ruled Patterson out of bounds?

It could be that his assignment was the receiver on the sideline.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:17:18 PM
I’ll take MVS vs an LB any day.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 03, 2021, 04:17:35 PM
Guarding MVS with an LB is not a good scheme.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
Same as the KO. Might be a fumble, but not enough evidence.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 03, 2021, 04:24:33 PM
Fire Pagano into the sun.

On the same play where he had an LB cover MVS, akiem Hicks also dropped into coverage.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:25:05 PM
Same as the KO. Might be a fumble, but not enough evidence.
Luckily they ruled fumble on the field.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 04:27:02 PM
Luckily they ruled fumble on the field.

I missed that. I thought they called him down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2021, 04:27:23 PM
Fire Pagano into the sun.

On the same play where he had an LB cover MVS, akiem Hicks also dropped into coverage.

Yea Pagano is awful. Fangio was able to get Mack opportunities to the quarterback. Pagano has done nothing with him in two years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:32:31 PM
19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 04:34:05 PM
19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.

Hard to catch the ball when you are that wide open.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 04:36:26 PM
19 straight TDs on drives that get goal to go feels like a really good stat and speaks to LaFleurs play calling this year.

That is an insane stat. I wonder what the NFL record is for most straight TDs in the red zone.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:36:37 PM
Packers D now smothering them. Easy when every play is within 5 yards of LOS.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 04:39:17 PM
I have no idea who was who in those really old flash back videos but the one guy kicking the other guy in the butt who was on his hands and knees is hilarious. I’ve never seen that clip before.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
Bears RB runs out short of a first down. Then Pack jump early for a free play and Trubi throws a swing pass.

Come on Cards. Let the Bears into the Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2021, 04:46:30 PM
Nagy is 100% calling the plays today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 04:51:07 PM
Nagy is 100% calling the plays today.

C’mon. They had a play that went over 10 yards. On a 3 yard pass ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 05:00:13 PM
Bears RB runs out short of a first down. Then Pack jump early for a free play and Trubi throws a swing pass.

Come on Cards. Let the Bears into the Playoffs.

I mean, have you been watching AZ/LA? Neither of those QBs should be in the NFL, let alone starting a playoff game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
MvS Giveth and MVS taketh
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 05:17:25 PM
Really poor coverage by Savage on that bomb.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Deciding on a field goal on 4th and short is less than ideal.

*
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
That drop by MVS really deflated packers momentum. Horrible second drive and now bears are moving a lot easier.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 05:41:52 PM
OL for Bears definitely jumped.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
Barnes is such a faker lol. Second time he’s been “injured” this series, and has come back into the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 03, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
Eye'd let King walk in free agency. Dude tackles like a complete puu say, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 05:50:00 PM
What a horrendous play call.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
That was the most boring drive that ended with no points in the history of football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 05:50:42 PM
What a horrendous play call.

Yup. Winning in the trenches all drive and you go from the gun.  And then roll him out staring down one guy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 03, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
Cat's in da bag and da bag's in da river, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 06:06:42 PM
There’s the Mitchell we love.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 06:06:49 PM
Dagger!!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 06:10:00 PM
This Texans/Titans finish has massive implications for multiple franchises.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
MVP won’t be unanimous, but it should be.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2021, 06:19:41 PM
And the McCaskey overlords are pleased.

Sell the damn team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 06:22:37 PM
Couldn’t figure out why Robinson wasn’t on Kevin King’s side of the field most of the game. Instead they left him on Jaire Island almost all game.

Nagy isn’t capable of making those changes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 06:27:20 PM
Playoffs! Wecomeback Pace and Nagy.

Hopefully Mitch will join them. He has really grown in the last 5 games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Jonathan Taylor comfortably wins the battle of former badger RBs today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2021, 06:32:03 PM
Hey Bears fans ...

Congrats?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
This Titans/Texans game has been wild.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 06:39:07 PM
Unreal finish.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 06:44:25 PM
Some short handed teams and some schedule reshuffling but shoutout to NFL for getting all the games in this season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 06:47:42 PM
Since I’m looking forward to the Nickelodeon game next weekend, I’m glad it’s going to be an AFC game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 06:51:08 PM
Lol what is Vic Fangio doing?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on January 03, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
Mitch is your guy if your plan is to never throw it more than 2 yards past the line of scrimmage.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 03, 2021, 07:02:47 PM
Bears stink.

Sell the team.

Start over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 07:23:25 PM
If the NFL decides to put Bears/Saints on Saturday, Kamara can’t play. If it’s Sunday, he’s eligible.

I think there’s a chance Bears/Saints gets the Saturday primetime slot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Bears stink.

Sell the team.

Start over.

Playoff team!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 07:27:49 PM
If the NFL decides to put Bears/Saints on Saturday, Kamara can’t play. If it’s Sunday, he’s eligible.

I think there’s a chance Bears/Saints gets the Saturday primetime slot.
They said they won’t schedule based on covid availability but I just have a hard time seeing them not putting saints on Sunday
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 03, 2021, 07:29:03 PM
Perfect example of the Nagy experience, that last drive. Meandering down the field, but not just trying to kill the clock. Finally get in range of the end zone with 40 seconds left.  Keep bleeding clock, get within the 10 on the scramble, chance for 2-3 shots at the end zone...throw short of the end zone and let the clock expire with a TO.  Of course it was a meaningless drive, but it’s also a chance to get Mitch end of game practice...but like everything in his tenure, Nagy has no clear what he wants to do and it’s clearly making it up on the fly.  Ultimately meaningless except as a prime example of what a dud he is
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 07:34:25 PM
They said they won’t schedule based on covid availability but I just have a hard time seeing them not putting saints on Sunday

The Nickelodeon game will be an AFC game in the Sunday afternoon slot. We have seen the NFL get wonky on not going on a NFC/AFC rotation on Wild Card weekend the last couple years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 07:36:21 PM
The Nickelodeon game will be an AFC game in the Sunday afternoon slot. We have seen the NFL get wonky on not going on a NFC/AFC rotation on Wild Card weekend the last couple years.
sorry what’s the Nickelodeon game?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 07:37:43 PM
Did Quinn play today? Never heard his name.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 07:39:52 PM
sorry what’s the Nickelodeon game?

NFL and Viacom (CBS) are going to simulcast a AFC Wild Card game next Sunday at 3:30 on Nickelodeon. The broadcast will have its own production and broadcast crew and be geared towards kids.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 03, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
My guess

Saturday in order

Colts at Bills
Ravens at Titans
Bucs at East

Sunday

Bears at Saints
Browns at Steelers
Rams at Seahawks

Packers will play prime time Saturday
Chiefs first game Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
NFL and Viacom (CBS) are going to simulcast a AFC Wild Card game next Sunday at 3:30 on Nickelodeon. The broadcast will have its own production and broadcast crew and be geared towards kids.

I completely missed that. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on January 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
Unreal finish.

Glad I tuned into the end of that one - the doink was awesome :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 03, 2021, 08:14:35 PM
Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.

That’s what it looks like.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 03, 2021, 08:21:15 PM
Bears at Saints, 3:40 CST Sunday
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 03, 2021, 08:25:22 PM
Now I’m confused, as Bears/Saints is the Sunday 2:30 pm game. Unless conferences don’t matter and CBS is producing an NFC game.

CBS and NBC won the rights to the 2nd wild card game. In CBS case, conference doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 08:28:30 PM
Rodgers Touchdown Passes: 48
JK Scott punts: 46

4th time in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 03, 2021, 08:31:20 PM
Saturday, January 9th
Colts @ Bills - 12:05pm CT - CBS
Rams @ Seahawks - 3:40pm CT - Fox
Buccaneers @ Washington/Giants - 7:15pm CT - NBC

Sunday, January 10th
Ravens @ Titans - 12:05pm CT - ESPN/ABC [Megacast]
Bears @ Saints - 3:40pm CT - CBS/Nickelodeon
Browns @ Steelers - 7:15pm CT - NBC/Peacock
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 08:44:20 PM
From the looks of the scheduling, both CBS and NBC were rewarded for bidding highest on the extra wild card games. NBC gets both primetime slots, Brady/NFC East, and Pittsburgh. CBS will get the best rated game of the weekend in Bears/Saints.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 09:45:40 PM
Can’t imagine being a giants fan seeing Nate Sudfeld enter this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2021, 09:55:31 PM
This game is a real clash of Titans. At least people didn’t have to pay to watch this circus.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2021, 10:13:17 PM
Punt it
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Or do that.

Idiot Eagle
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
Eagles bench looks ready for a mutiny.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
Happy for Rivera, but that was some real sh1tty sh1t from Pederson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 10:30:12 PM
I wonder if Pederson did that on his own, or if it was an organizational decision from Lurie.

I’d also be curious if there were fans in the stands, if the Eagles go the route they did (so blatantly).
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 03, 2021, 10:35:13 PM
So the NFL world is going apoplectic for a Qb with a 25.4 rating tonight being pulled? What he was ready to get on a roll?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 03, 2021, 10:37:47 PM
I wonder if Pederson did that on his own, or if it was an organizational decision from Lurie.

I’d also be curious if there were fans in the stands, if the Eagles go the route they did (so blatantly).

That was all so odd and on the heels of the Wentz stuff today, Pederson comes off looking strange.  I get seeing what you have in young guys in meaningless games, but Sudfeld is a 27 year old from Indiana with a ceiling as a game manager.  Its not like they were working out some raw 23 year old with crazy physical skills. If Sudfeld had been the backup all year, pulling him to give Hurts some run in this game makes sense.  The other way around makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 03, 2021, 10:40:13 PM
Pederson may have lost the locker room tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 03, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
Pederson may have lost the locker room tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go.

That’s one possibility, he got informed before the game, and he didn’t give an eff what happened. There’s ways to do what the Eagles probably were aiming for without it coming across as odd and blatant as it did.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2021, 11:53:07 PM
So the NFL world is going apoplectic for a Qb with a 25.4 rating tonight being pulled? What he was ready to get on a roll?

Hurts absolutely gave the Eagles the best -- really the only -- chance to win that game. He already had scored two TDs. His running skills alone made him dangerous.

And as other Scoopers have said, it would be one thing if he were being pulled to let some kid with potential play, kind of an audition for next season -- in other words, somebody like Hurts. Pederson threw a nobody with no future out there, and simply handed Washington a playoff spot.

I'm not "apoplectic." And I don't think the Giants really have a complaint, because all they had to do was win 7 games all season they'd be in. But IMHO Pederson "disrespected the game."

You're free to disagree. It's more or less a free country.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 04, 2021, 07:52:32 AM
"Disrespected the game?"  ::)

Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them?  Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?

The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles.  Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.

Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking.  Don't tie draft order to previous year results.  Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 04, 2021, 07:58:55 AM
"Disrespected the game?"  ::)

Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them?  Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?

The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles.  Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.

Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking.  Don't tie draft order to previous year results.  Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.

I agree with most of this.

I still think playing that stiff was appalling.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 04, 2021, 08:02:25 AM
Sports writers gonna hyperbole even when they are no longer sports writers I guess.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 04, 2021, 08:04:39 AM
"Disrespected the game?"  ::)

Did they "disrespect the game" when they held out a bunch of marginally injured players who likely would have played had the game meant something to them?  Did they "disrespect the game" when they sat their healthy back up QB?

The Eagles are under no obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit the Eagles.  Whether or not they put him in to give him some reps to see what they have, or because they tried to improve their draft status, it doesn't matter.

Again, there is a very easy way of getting rid of tanking.  Don't tie draft order to previous year results.  Otherwise teams are going to do what is in their best interests.
What about the dudes on the field who were busting their a$$es all game and kept it close only to get slapped in the face by their own coach putting that dude in. You could tell the entire bench just deflated after Sudfeld went in.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 04, 2021, 08:08:59 AM
nm

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 04, 2021, 08:19:42 AM
What about the dudes on the field who were busting their a$$es all game and kept it close only to get slapped in the face by their own coach putting that dude in. You could tell the entire bench just deflated after Sudfeld went in.


What about them?  They're getting paid.  The coach makes the personnel decisions.

The idea that he is going to "lose the locker room" in a meaningless game on the last day of the season is absurd. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 04, 2021, 08:43:31 AM
This was pretty funny. Kind of shows media just looking to make headlines.

https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1345972541173755904?s=21

People were shaking their heads and making fun of the Jets for winning. I mean people chuckled about the Jets doing an all-out blitz to lose to the Raiders. Williams got fired, but that was happening anyways.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 04, 2021, 09:00:24 AM
This was pretty funny. Kind of shows media just looking to make headlines.

https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1345972541173755904?s=21

People were shaking their heads and making fun of the Jets for winning. I mean people chuckled about the Jets doing an all-out blitz to lose to the Raiders. Williams got fired, but that was happening anyways.


Yep.  Fire up the ole outrage machine. 

Yet the Steelers sit a couple of starters in a game that was meaningful for teams making the playoffs and....crickets....  I guess that wasn't an appalling example of a team disrespecting the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 04, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
Teams should play to win in my opinion. The only exception would be resting players if a playoff spot is clinched. I think building a winning culture is more important than getting a higher draft pick. A coach losing his players is real, doesn’t matter what game of the year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 04, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
I guess Pederson said earlier in the week they planned to go to Sudfied at some point. If Hurts tears an ACL in a meaningless game, he’d get questioned the other way I’m sure.

If this wasn’t SNF, it is not a big deal. Also, the Giants could have won more than 6 games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2021, 11:20:36 AM
I guess Pederson said earlier in the week they planned to go to Sudfied at some point. If Hurts tears an ACL in a meaningless game, he’d get questioned the other way I’m sure.

If this wasn’t SNF, it is not a big deal. Also, the Giants could have won more than 6 games.


You're right. Pederson has no obligation to the Giants. But, why play Sudfield at all? He is NOT part of the future in Philly. If Doug wanted to find out if Sudfield was good enough to play, he should be a fan - not a coach. Every coach was know that Sudfield has as much chance to be a successful NFL QB as Tayler Bray. Zero percent.

If Hurts is gonna be a part of the QB competition next year, than last night is exactly the game where you leave him in for experience. A one possession game in the 4th quarter.

If Pederson makes it through the off-season, I think there is a very good chance he lost the team last night. We'll see. But if he gets fired this week, it will be because the players no longer want him as coach.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 04, 2021, 11:53:48 AM

You're right. Pederson has no obligation to the Giants. But, why play Sudfield at all?

+1.  You get what you pay for when you need an eliminated team to win, so it isn't a "think of the children" thing. That the game mattered is interesting because that made it 100% foreseeable that Pederson would catch shi!t, and I don't see why you'd bench your raw but promising 22 year old QB prospect with 4 starts to his name.  You'd think they would want to get him as many meaningful reps as possible. Especially because there is no "seeing what we have" in Nate Sudfeld.  He's a 27 year old that was drafted in a class with Cody Kessler and Jeff Driskel.  These guys are what they are, and that is bottom tier backups. The Eagles are either going to pay for an experienced backup to Hurts or draft a mid-late round flier, and either way, letting Sudfeld huck it a dozen times at the end of the game yesterday wasn't going to have any bearing.

The fact that the team's franchise QB/former MVP candidate turned reclamation project intimated earlier in the day that he was willing to give back money to get outta dodge has to be relevant here. I just can't figure out the angle.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 04, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
Teams should play to win in my opinion. The only exception would be resting players if a playoff spot is clinched. I think building a winning culture is more important than getting a higher draft pick. A coach losing his players is real, doesn’t matter what game of the year.

a few weeks ago the media and fans were mocking the Jets for winning games and hurting their draft position. Now the media and fans are mocking the Eagles for losing and improving their draft position by three positions. Perhaps a QB at#6 is where they're looking and by losing they moved in front of the Lions, who are likely in the market for a QB. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 04, 2021, 12:42:45 PM
a few weeks ago the media and fans were mocking the Jets for winning games and hurting their draft position. Now the media and fans are mocking the Eagles for losing and improving their draft position by three positions. Perhaps a QB at#6 is where they're looking and by losing they moved in front of the Lions, who are likely in the market for a QB.

Yeah I get it, but good teams don't do that.  Media and fans are idiots, 1a and 1b it doesn't matter what they say or think.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2021, 12:53:34 PM
Yeah I get it, but good teams don't do that.  Media and fans are idiots, 1a and 1b it doesn't matter what they say or think.

That's the point. They're not good teams. And pulling a move like Pederson did is part of the reason why.

Why should players value winning if the coach doesn't value winning. If you coach to lose, you teach your players that a paycheck is all that matters.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 04, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
This discussion about the Eagles tanking (and the Jets having the audacity to win a couple) is one reason I prefer college sports to pro. In college, teams won't gain some benefit next season by tanking. So football teams fight like hell even to win meaningless games like the Potato Bowl and the Cheez-It Bowl, and basketball teams battle even if they're doing it in the NIT. Ditto for meaningless late-season games between teams that won't have a post-season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 04, 2021, 01:12:31 PM
That's the point. They're not good teams. And pulling a move like Pederson did is part of the reason why.

Why should players value winning if the coach doesn't value winning. If you coach to lose, you teach your players that a paycheck is all that matters.
Agree, that's exactly what I said above.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 05, 2021, 11:13:30 AM

The idea that he is going to "lose the locker room" in a meaningless game on the last day of the season is absurd.


Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.


I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 05, 2021, 11:31:07 AM

Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.


I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.

I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.

 First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.

A lot of these reactions were heat of the moment. I think he’s more likely to lose the locker room for being 4-11-1 than how he coached in Week 17.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 05, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
I think it would be important to know if pederson made the decision or if it came from GM or owner
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson.

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I assume you haven’t played competitive sports.

Poor assumption on your part.


I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.

Exactly.  No one is going to give a sh*t come summer.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 05, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
I don’t know. I feel when pre-season rolls around, this will all be in the past. People will be excited about their new draft pick that will hopefully give them the best chance to win in 2021.

 First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.

A lot of these reactions were heat of the moment. I think he’s more likely to lose the locker room for being 4-11-1 than how he coached in Week 17.

You may be right. I differ a bit from what you say.

I was listening to Boomer Esiason a few weeks ago and one thing he kept saying is "you always play to win". Of course, he was talking about the player's viewpoint. I think sometimes we forget how tough the play is in the NFL. These guys are out there putting their bodies on the line every play. Once they feel that the coach no longer has their backs in that effort, it causes damage to the team's psyche.

Eagles' players busted their a$$es trying to win the game and then the coach just said, "nevermind". I think that will be hard for the players to overcome.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 05, 2021, 02:53:28 PM
First and foremost, it’s a business. We hear that all the time. The best business decision was for Philly to lose that game.

Moving up a whopping three spots in the draft may be a slightly decent business decision for the franchise - though maybe not, given Eagles recent drafts - but it's far from a good business decision for Pederson. He damaged relationships with his top two QBs and several other veterans, tarnished his reputation around the league, and it's wishful thinking to believe it'll all be forgotten in a few months.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 02:58:28 PM
Moving up a whopping three spots in the draft may be a slightly decent business decision for the franchise - though maybe not, given Eagles recent drafts - but it's far from a good business decision for Pederson. He damaged relationships with his top two QBs and several other veterans, tarnished his reputation around the league, and it's wishful thinking to believe it'll all be forgotten in a few months.


Because he inserted the back up quarterback in the fourth quarter of the meaningless last game of the season?

Seriously, let's try to be less dramatic here.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 05, 2021, 03:22:46 PM

Because he inserted the back up quarterback in the fourth quarter of the meaningless last game of the season?

Seriously, let's try to be less dramatic here.

He didn't just insert the backup QB. He inserted a third-string QB who hadn't played a down in more than two years into a competitive game. He clearly was trying to lose.
It may have been meaningless to you, but it clearly wasn't to his players, or the rest of the league.
Not sure what I said that's dramatic, though. If you think that the reports that several Eagles players were and are pissed off about it - including direct quotes from Miles Sanders today - are meaningless drama, that's fine. Wrong, but fine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
He didn't just insert the backup QB. He inserted a third-string QB who hadn't played a down in more than two years into a competitive game. He clearly was trying to lose.
It may have been meaningless to you, but it clearly wasn't to his players, or the rest of the league.
Not sure what I said that's dramatic, though. If you think that the reports that several Eagles players were and are pissed off about it - including direct quotes from Miles Sanders today - are meaningless drama, that's fine. Wrong, but fine.


Here's what he said:

"If I'm being honest, nobody liked the decision. Nobody. That's all I can say....I don't know who was the main person behind that decision, but all I know is a lot of people on the team were confused."

Wow. Really inflammatory stuff there.

Even if he is toning down his true emotions here, there is really nothing to suggest that Pedersen "damaged relationships" with players in the locker room or "tarnished his reputation" around the league.

This is manufactured drama that will all be forgotten by the time the season rolls around.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 05, 2021, 03:57:19 PM

Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.


I assume you haven’t played competitive sports. Once the coach loses respect, he has lost the team.

It doesn't seem like the players were on board with the tank job.  Football is an intense and violent game, and Pederson's (or the GM's) actions were especially insulting to the defensive guys and O-lineman who were working hard and putting their bodies on the line each and every play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 05, 2021, 04:01:21 PM
rumors that Carson Wentz requested a trade, good luck with that contract.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 05, 2021, 04:18:52 PM

Wow. Really inflammatory stuff there.

Easy with the straw man.

Quote
Even if he is toning down his true emotions here, there is really nothing to suggest that Pedersen "damaged relationships" with players in the locker room or "tarnished his reputation" around the league. 

There's loads of evidence. Players, coaches, former players, former coaches, executives, analysts, etc., across the league have said so. This isn't just Skip Bayless and Stephen A. going on rants. These are his players and his peers around the league, along with the reasonable voices who cover the NFL (i.e. Chris Collinsworth, Steve Marinucci, Charles Robinson).
You're just choosing to ignore and/or downplay their comments because they don't fit the "manufactured drama" hill you're apparently happy to die on.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on January 05, 2021, 04:19:17 PM
rumors that Carson Wentz requested a trade, good luck with that contract.
The incredible decline of Carson Wentz baffles me. I saw him live prior to the knee injury and said at the time that no QB reminded me more of Rodgers in his ability to make smart decisions, deliver pinpoint accurate throws on the run, and use his legs both within the pocket and to pick up yardage when necessary. Now he's just got a big bag of nothing.

I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 04:21:59 PM
Easy with the straw man.

There's loads of evidence. Players, coaches, former players, former coaches, executives, analysts, etc., across the league have said so. This isn't just Skip Bayless and Stephen A. going on rants. These are his players and his peers around the league, along with the reasonable voices who cover the NFL (i.e. Chris Collinsworth, Steve Marinucci, Charles Robinson).
You're just choosing to ignore and/or downplay their comments because they don't fit the "manufactured drama" hill you're apparently happy to die on.

I'm not dying on a hill.  I'm just not buying the drama.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
The incredible decline of Carson Wentz baffles me. I saw him live prior to the knee injury and said at the time that no QB reminded me more of Rodgers in his ability to make smart decisions, deliver pinpoint accurate throws on the run, and use his legs both within the pocket and to pick up yardage when necessary. Now he's just got a big bag of nothing.

I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.


I have wondered if Reich and DiFilippo leaving the coaching staff after 2017 has had anything to do with his slipping.  This is an older article, but it makes me wonder...

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-carson-wentz-tough-love-john-defilippo-quarterbacks-coach-press-taylor-doug-pederson-mike-groh-20191208.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 05, 2021, 04:56:08 PM
https://youtu.be/OD2qmLoMh4k

wentz analysis
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 05, 2021, 05:00:01 PM
I don't even know if he is worth a flier as a backup QB. I can't think of a QB that has fallen so far out of form and then regained a high level of play.

Jim Plunkett?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2021, 05:19:11 PM
Jim Plunkett?

Kurt Warner
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
Kurt Warner

Ryan Tannehill
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 05, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
Kurt Warner

I think the difference was Warner was actively playing with a broken hand when he lost form.  He probably would have stayed the starter and been good again the very next year in NY if Eli wasn’t there.  Wentz is “healthy” and an absolute broken disaster

Ryan Tannehill

Tannehill played on terrible teams his early career.  Then the year after he blew out his knee, he was actually pretty good.  17/9, 65% completion percentage. 93 QBR which was actually a bit better than in the past.  He was just traded cause Gase wanted his own QB, not cause he fell off.  I’d argue he was a decent QB who became very good in Tennessee, not a very good QB who fell off and then became very good again
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on January 05, 2021, 06:26:57 PM
Kurt Warner broke his pinky finger in 2000 (the season in between his two Super Bowl seasons in St. Louis) when the backup center thought he was going to line up in shotgun instead of under center. At the time, St. Louis was undefeated and averaging 44 points per game. They lost in the playoffs as Trent Green spent some time filling in.

In 2002 he broke the same finger. He also had career long chronic on and off again thumb issues since his Arena League days. (He finally felt comfortable with a glove on his hand in Arizona and eventually made it back to a third Super Bowl after the other two in St. Louis) He had a lot of issues prior to that gripping the ball.

When with the Giants, he played the opening game with a concussion and shouldn't have played.

Going periods of time not playing and not getting hit as often helped Warner later in his career.

Warner of course originally got his original chance in St. Louis because of Rodney Harrison's pre-season hit on Trent Green Warner's first season in St. Louis, which some would classify as dirty. Green later went on to start 80 consecutive games with Kansas City several years later.

When healthy, and at times not healthy Warner could sling it. (Had HOF support as well with Pace, Faulk, Bruce and soon to be Holt)

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 08, 2021, 07:37:01 AM
Looking forward to gorging myself in football games this weekend. Already told my wife that I will have my ass planted on the recliner with beer nearby and fire in the fire place all weekend. 

Will be rooting for the Bills, Rams and Washington on Saturday and the Ravens, Bears and Steelers on Sunday.  I think all those teams win except the Bears. I do think the Bears will be competitive and have a chance if they can rattle Brees and, maybe finally cash in on a turnover or three.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 08, 2021, 08:03:41 AM
Redskins aren't playing this weekend. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 08, 2021, 08:06:08 AM
Redskins aren't playing this weekend.
Hard to break old habits. fixed it. hope they get a real nickname next year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 08, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
Hard to break old habits. fixed it. hope they get a real nickname next year.


Just pulling your chain.  It would be real nice as a Packer fan to see the WFT, Rams and Bears win this weekend.  I think the only one with a shot though is WFT because they're playing at home and have a decent defense.  Not sure they can score enough points though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 08, 2021, 09:57:39 AM

Just pulling your chain.  It would be real nice as a Packer fan to see the WFT, Rams and Bears win this weekend.  I think the only one with a shot though is WFT because they're playing at home and have a decent defense.  Not sure they can score enough points though.

As a Tom Brady fantasy owner, he does struggle with teams with a good pass rush. Granted, it doesn’t sound like Smith is healthy and they are talking about rotating QBs. They may need a Defensive TD to have a real shot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 07:50:26 AM
I have zero feel for any of these wild card games this weekend. I could see the Bills blowing out Indy, or Indy gets the ball first, grinds out time of possession, gets an early Allen pick and makes it a game.

Rams/Seahawks...no clue, Seattle is a real unconvincing 12-4.

Tampa should win easy, but WFT has the no one believes in us mantra, and to beat Brady, you have to knock him down, which Washington can do. I have no idea how WFT scores.

I think the wonkiest game will be Bears/Saints. Total gut feeling on that. Saints have lost at home their last two playoff games. Bears have to get to Brees to have a chance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 09, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
I have zero feel for any of these wild card games this weekend. I could see the Bills blowing out Indy, or Indy gets the ball first, grinds out time of possession, gets an early Allen pick and makes it a game.

Rams/Seahawks...no clue, Seattle is a real unconvincing 12-4.

Tampa should win easy, but WFT has the no one believes in us mantra, and to beat Brady, you have to knock him down, which Washington can do. I have no idea how WFT scores.

I think the wonkiest game will be Bears/Saints. Total gut feeling on that. Saints have lost at home their last two playoff games. Bears have to get to Brees to have a chance.

Well good news, based on his regular season performance, I think robert Quinn has been saving his energy for the playoffs
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Looooooooong way to go


But I said all week the value play this opening weekend was Colts ML. With a spread hedge if desired.

Absolutely punching the BIlls in the mouth the first 28 minutes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 01:17:22 PM
Looooooooong way to go


But I said all week the value play this opening weekend was Colts ML. With a spread hedge if desired.

Absolutely punching the BIlls in the mouth the first 28 minutes.

Immediately after saying that......Colts run a pitch play on 3rd and goal from the 1 and walk away with 0
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2021, 01:43:05 PM
Immediately after saying that......Colts run a pitch play on 3rd and goal from the 1 and walk away with 0

And let the Bills drive 96 yards in a minute to end the half, including jumping offsides on 4th and 3 from the 26.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 01:49:39 PM
And let the Bills drive 96 yards in a minute to end the half, including jumping offsides on 4th and 3 from the 26.

The offsides was awful. Bills get the ball to start the half now too.

Colts executed their game plan perfectly in the 1st half but costly miscues and drops got them down now.

Not ideal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
What a terrible challenge on the Moss non-fumble by Indy. How do they challenge that?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 09, 2021, 02:38:19 PM
Josh Allen is pretty darn good.

Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on January 09, 2021, 02:39:37 PM
Josh Allen is pretty darn good.

Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.
So is Stefon Diggs. LOL Vikings.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 02:39:42 PM
Colts keep doing stupid sh it. Why go for 2 there???
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
So is Stefon Diggs. LOL Vikings.

????

The Vikings got Justin Jefferson plus compensation.

It was a brilliant trade. For both teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 02:48:58 PM
Josh Allen is pretty darn good.

Dish what would you give up to trade for Watson? I’d offer Mack and 3 first rounders.

They aren’t trading for him, they have little capital to offer, and no where near the capital the Fins or Jets have. Also, they couldn’t trade Mack until after June 1st, even then they won’t. Houston won’t take on a 30 year old Mack with (essentially) 2 years left on his deal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 03:15:40 PM
Fumble to lose it lol.

Colts really gave this one away.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2021, 03:17:39 PM
Fumble to lose it lol.

Colts really gave this one away.

Uh. What?  That was a fumble.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 09, 2021, 03:18:45 PM
I am watching this wondering how the calls would be different if the Lions were playing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
Yeah that seemed to be a clear fumble.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 09, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
This drive has been absolutely brutal. Got the ball with 2:34 I believe? At around the 15? And you couldn’t even get within Hail Mary range. Terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
This drive has been absolutely brutal. Got the ball with 2:34 I believe? At around the 15? And you couldn’t even get within Hail Mary range. Terrible.
Yeah that was brutal. Rivers couldn’t even get it to the end zone. Why not put in Jacoby?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 03:24:23 PM
You can not, under any circumstance, burn a timeout in the third quarter if the play clock is running out. The timeout is so much more valuable than the 5 yards.

Don’t even get me started on that awful challenge. Dumpster firing two timeouts in the second half of a playoff game is inexcusable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 03:26:04 PM
Uh. What?  That was a fumble.

That was a crazy non overturn. Clear as day that the guy was up and fumbled.

Colts were all out of wack after the review though so it didnt hurt
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2021, 03:28:43 PM
The only thing worse than that bungled review was Rivers and the Colts final drive. Just baffling decision making and clock management. They didn’t deserve to get to OT, much less win that game
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2021, 04:00:19 PM
The Rams jerseys always look dingy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 04:40:08 PM
Why does LA only keep two QBs active when one is already hurt?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 09, 2021, 04:47:04 PM
If the Rams find a way to win, Goff is a hellacious story.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 09, 2021, 05:07:12 PM
These cameras they’re using coming out of commercial are pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 09, 2021, 05:16:20 PM
Rams trying to take the game to halftime. Pete Carroll calls his last timeout even though the Rams would just run the ball, then run the clock down to like 2 or 1 seconds at most and then just run around and throw it out of bounds to end the half. But Bobby Wagner then gets hurt.

Get bent Pete.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Why does LA only keep two QBs active when one is already hurt?
Wofford going to the hospital in ambulance after what I thought was a really dirty hit by Adams with a fiag that was inexplicably picked up.

Rams only dressed QB now has pins in his hand.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 09, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 05:30:23 PM
This would be a brutal loss for Seattle.

Rams down to 1 QB who literally cannot throw. When health hes not good and statue. Now he has no thumb.

Hawks D is just awful. Adams turns around on the terrible throw to Kupp and its a pick. D gave up a 50 yard 3rd down dump off.

Russ has been out of wack for like 9 games now. O line is terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 05:32:12 PM
If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.
Packers match up well with Rams. Rams defense is real, but can't see their offense outscoring the Packers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2021, 05:42:55 PM
If I’m the Packers, I would love to play the Rams.



Yeah butt, GB has struggled against quick, physical defense. That's da Rams, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 05:49:33 PM
Packers match up well with Rams. Rams defense is real, but can't see their offense outscoring the Packers.

I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.

But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 09, 2021, 05:52:37 PM
Any of the underdogs this weekend would be fine with me as a Packers fan. I think the Packers beat any of their potential first game matchups, but I wouldn’t be thrilled to have to play the Bucs. Saints and Bucs scare me the most, with the Rams a bit behind. I think they handle the rest of the NFC pretty easily.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 06:03:18 PM
Any of the underdogs this weekend would be fine with me as a Packers fan. I think the Packers beat any of their potential first game matchups, but I wouldn’t be thrilled to have to play the Bucs. Saints and Bucs scare me the most, with the Rams a bit behind. I think they handle the rest of the NFC pretty easily.
That's how I see it too. It may sound moronic but Bears may pull it off. Just a feeling.  This is the best chance for  the Packers in many years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 06:07:10 PM
I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.

But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.
I think Packers would load the box to slow down the run and make a gimpy ineffective Goff beat their strong secondary. Plus they have snacks!  (And... Vogue65 says Packers beat anyone because they have 7 days more rest.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
I never thought I would ever say "make Russ Wilson beat you" but thats the exact strategy right now. Dude is shook.


Rams should literally not throw another pass this game until it is tied.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 09, 2021, 06:11:55 PM
I never thought I would ever say "make Russ Wilson beat you" but thats the exact strategy right now. Dude is shook.


Rams should literally not throw another pass this game until it is tied.

“Make Russ beat you from the pocket” is always the way to beat the Seahawks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
“Make Russ beat you from the pocket” is always the way to beat the Seahawks.

He's even worse when he leaves the pocket today. Guy is a complete mess.

Almost threw another pick as I type this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
He's even worse when he leaves the pocket today. Guy is a complete mess.

Almost threw another pick as I type this.
Why are Rams challenging this, dumb asses.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 06:16:42 PM
Why are Rams challenging this, dumb asses.

Both teams with brutal challenges in this game.

This is one of the worst games I have ever watched.

Pack have got to be licking their chops.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 06:20:28 PM
Both teams with brutal challenges in this game.

This is one of the worst games I have ever watched.

Pack have got to be licking their chops.
I cant figure out if both defenses are this good or the offenses are just horrific.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 06:20:53 PM
Broken ribs for Donald? They way Rus landed on him it definitely could be. Wouldn’t mind him being out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 06:22:27 PM
I cant figure out if both defenses are this good or the offenses are just horrific.

Seattles D is pretty poor. They have been most of the year and are giving up the occaisional big plays to a QB who stinks and doesnt have a throwing hand thumb.

Rams D is really good though. Seattle offense is not helping themselves at all however.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
That’s as poor a showing from a 12-4 team without any major injuries as you’ll ever see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 09, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
I def think Pack would win. Considerable edge on O.

But the Rams have a good ground and pound game thats not a great match up for Pack. Although they have handedly the Titans and Bears recently with ease who love to run.

You apparently arent familiar with the pass only offense of matt nagy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Lol running a sneak with Goff?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 07:12:37 PM
That’s as poor a showing from a 12-4 team without any major injuries as you’ll ever see.
Apparantly you missed Packers, 49ers last Jan.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 07:29:12 PM
Apparantly you missed Packers, 49ers last Jan.

I should have clarified “...in the Wild Card round.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
You apparently arent familiar with the pass only offense of matt nagy.

Overall correct. More a statement on Montegomery running the ball pretty darn well over the final 2 months(and the Pack handled him well).

Obviously know they don't actually hand it off nearly as much as Titans do to Henry.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Big East on January 09, 2021, 08:11:40 PM
Enjoy watching Brady Do his thing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
Tampa has so many weapons
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 09, 2021, 09:34:36 PM
This Heinicke kid is fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2021, 09:40:29 PM
Underdogs are 13-1 against the number in the Wild Card round last 14 games. If WFT holds, it’ll be 15-1 and 3-0 today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 12:34:10 AM
Underdogs are 13-1 against the number in the Wild Card round last 14 games. If WFT holds, it’ll be 15-1 and 3-0 today.

So you like the Bears getting 10? That does seem like a ton of points.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 09:02:29 AM
I thought that the Panthers stinkin' out the joint the second half of the season might mean OC Joe Brady wouldn't get seriously considered for one of the head-coaching vacancies. But he has had several interviews and somebody certainly could take a flyer on the 31-year-old. He seems to be a bright guy with people skills, but frankly he looked overmatched in the second half of the season.

Opposing coaches seemed to know what the Panthers were going to do much of the time, and on many, many occasions there was confusion between Brady and the offensive huddle. On two of those occasions, indecision on a key play in the closing minute cost the Panthers chances to win.

He is young, and he can improve on all that stuff, but it sure seems a reach to give a young guy with very limited experience a head-coaching gig. But I do know that's the trend now, so we'll see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 11:25:43 AM
Leave it to the Texans.  After they go through the "inmates running the prison" debacle, finally getting rid of Bill O'Brian and having the opportunity to start anew, they go out and hire a search firm to identify potential GM candidates...and promptly ignore all of their recommendations to hire the guy from the Patriots who they weren't allowed to hire a year ago.

And then, after seeking Deshaun Watson's input in the process, they ignore his recommendation to interview Eric Biennemy.  So now he wants to be traded.

What a horribly run franchise.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2021, 12:00:30 PM
Leave it to the Texans.  After they go through the "inmates running the prison" debacle, finally getting rid of Bill O'Brian and having the opportunity to start anew, they go out and hire a search firm to identify potential GM candidates...and promptly ignore all of their recommendations to hire the guy from the Patriots who they weren't allowed to hire a year ago.

And then, after seeking Deshaun Watson's input in the process, they ignore his recommendation to interview Eric Biennemy.  So now he wants to be traded.

What a horribly run franchise.

People were quick to deem it diva behavior when he complained about the GM search, like “how much does he really know about GMs”...completely ignoring the fact that he’s a bright guy and he can clearly see the organization is learning nothing from their failures and just firmly committed to doing the same as before.

The coaching search is even more egregious.  To ignore your franchise player, and supposed future, and not even interview the guy is baffling beyond belief.  Be interesting to see who is in play for him if they do even explore trading him.   We know it won’t be the Bears cause they can’t have nice things
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 12:24:08 PM
AJ Brown is becoming one of my fave players.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
People were quick to deem it diva behavior when he complained about the GM search, like “how much does he really know about GMs”...completely ignoring the fact that he’s a bright guy and he can clearly see the organization is learning nothing from their failures and just firmly committed to doing the same as before.

The coaching search is even more egregious.  To ignore your franchise player, and supposed future, and not even interview the guy is baffling beyond belief.  Be interesting to see who is in play for him if they do even explore trading him.   We know it won’t be the Bears cause they can’t have nice things


Jeez.  This is bad.  All for some doofus who worked his way up from being a "character coach."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/10/report-texans-were-poised-to-hire-omar-khan-as-g-m/
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2021, 01:05:51 PM
This Heinicke kid is fun to watch.

Agreed. On a day of generally blah football, he was poised and intriguing. Gritty performance to come back from injury too. Will be interested to see what he does next.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 01:08:08 PM
Me five minutes ago: You know, maybe this Lamar Jackson during the playoffs thing is actually worrisome.

Me now:  Nevermind.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
Agreed. On a day of generally blah football, he was poised and intriguing. Gritty performance to come back from injury too. Will be interested to see what he does next.

He played about half a game for the Panthers with a broken arm. Tough kid.

Every once in a long while, a QB who fell through the cracks emerges as legit - Kurt Warner leaps to mind - but more likely he is very limited to what he can do and that's why he can't keep an NFL job. He is the kind of athlete I root for, though.

And speaking of QBs who are fun to watch ...

Lamar Jackson just escaped almost a sure sack, got out of the pocket, and raced to the end zone. Once he got in the clear, it was as if he had been shot out of a cannon. Nobody was gonna catch him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
Titans first quarter coaching...bueno.

From then on...no bueno.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 02:34:36 PM
Yeah that punt on fourth and 2 from the 40....

https://twitter.com/surrender_idx90/status/1348364467575382021?s=21
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 02:39:34 PM
By the way I have generally liked ESPN’s crew on MNF, but they seemed overwhelmed here. No one questioned that punt. It’s like they have their talking points and are sticking to them. Riddick is hardly talking at all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2021, 02:51:10 PM
Titans first quarter coaching...bueno.

From then on...no bueno.

BAFFLING stubbornness from Vrabel and the Titans. This is wild

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1348360544651272193?s=21

Ravens have been selling out on the run all game and the Titans have just been waltzing right into it.

I was really looking forward to this game and it’s been total garbage
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 02:54:46 PM
By the way I have generally liked ESPN’s crew on MNF, but they seemed overwhelmed here. No one questioned that punt. It’s like they have their talking points and are sticking to them. Riddick is hardly talking at all.

Agreed, the ESPN broadcast always feels so over produced and practiced than any other broadcast. I thought from my own personal enjoyment category, I thought the announce crew was vanilla and terrible. It’s like ESPN goes out of its way to not upset the NFL in any way, it hurts the product.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 10, 2021, 03:33:09 PM
BAFFLING stubbornness from Vrabel and the Titans. This is wild

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1348360544651272193?s=21

Ravens have been selling out on the run all game and the Titans have just been waltzing right into it.

I was really looking forward to this game and it’s been total garbage

Titans started off torching them through the air too. So they knew it was working.

Just flat out stopped doing it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 03:52:42 PM
Bears are going to have to throw the ball more than 3 yards down field if they’re going to beat a good team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 10, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Bears are going to have to throw the ball more than 3 yards down field if they’re going to beat a good team.

Yes, but problem is that’s about all Trubisky is capable of completing. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 04:08:48 PM
What an awful call on the field to let the saints influence an incomplete call.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 04:09:26 PM
Easy overturn.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
No one makes more business decisions than Eddie Jackson. He’s been awful this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
Kant blame #10 four dat TD drop, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Mitchell has thrown some dimes today. Gotta catch that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
Lol what are they doing?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
Apparently the Bears traded for MVS this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 10, 2021, 04:15:45 PM
Nagy sent out a Save The Date card with the first round of the Playoffs as the date? I’m sure the team really rallied around that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 10, 2021, 04:21:18 PM
Not gonna win if you are gonna drop the rare Trubisky dime and then if Trubisky is gonna run out of bounds in fear on 4th down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 04:22:33 PM
Nagy sent out a Save The Date card with the first round of the Playoffs as the date? I’m sure the team really rallied around that.

Nagy is the champ at dumb motivational bullsh*t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 04:39:37 PM
I know I want my backup QB throwing the ball on 3rd down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 10, 2021, 04:40:02 PM
I don't understand why Sean Payton is so obsessed with giving Hill snaps. It's why the Pack beat them in NO. Brees has a noodle arm, but at least he'll value the ball and get it to all their weapons with room to work.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
What an idiot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 04:43:49 PM
I don't understand why Sean Payton is so obsessed with giving Hill snaps. It's why the Pack beat them in NO. Brees has a noodle arm, but at least he'll value the ball and get it to all their weapons with room to work.

I think it’s the only way they can stretch the field.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 10, 2021, 04:45:21 PM
Bears really not taking advantage of sh it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 04:49:16 PM
There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.

NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 04:50:12 PM
There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.

NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.

Oh god. Not this stuff now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 10, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
There’s some shady crap already going on in this game.

NFL wants another week of Brees so bad.
Sure, ok
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 04:52:24 PM
Very impressed with Bears D so far. Playing smart, aggressive, fast and well despite being shorthanded and despite going up against a very talented offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on January 10, 2021, 04:54:12 PM
Oh god. Not this stuff now.

Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 10, 2021, 04:57:30 PM
Refs caught up in the Superdome mystique, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 04:57:55 PM
Saints doing what the packers did and expecting the 2-3 yard dinks and swarming.

Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 04:58:14 PM
Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?

If you toss the ball to your opponent, penalty is automatic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 04:59:11 PM
Agreed, except, what did kmet do for the 15 yarder?

I think he either said something or thought he threw the ball at Jenkins. Probably just a bad call.

And with that not being a fumble, perhaps we should put to bed the conspiracy ideas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on January 10, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
I think he either said something or thought he threw the ball at Jenkins. Probably just a bad call.

And with that not being a fumble, perhaps we should put to bed the conspiracy ideas.

If you're talking to me, i have no belief there is some conspiracy. Just a really weak 15- yarder in that situation. He clearly tossed the ball to an official.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
If you toss the ball to your opponent, penalty is automatic.

He clearly didn’t though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 05:10:25 PM
If you're talking to me, i have no belief there is some conspiracy. Just a really weak 15- yarder in that situation. He clearly tossed the ball to an official.

No I was referring to whomever implied conspiracy. I think the Kmet call was just a bad call.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 05:11:13 PM
Two timeouts just under 2 minutes and they run 3 times?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 05:13:49 PM
Two timeouts just under 2 minutes and they run 3 times?

Was gonna post the same.

You don’t even pretend you want to score? Wow.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 05:14:29 PM
He clearly didn’t though.
Could’ve easily been a no call but the ref and defender were basically on top of each other and he flipped the ball in that direction.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 10, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
The guy who dropped the easy touchdown pass for the Bears is the same guy who punched the Saints defender in week 8? Oh.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 05:37:58 PM
The Saints stink. The Bears are likely not going to be the ones to make them pay for that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Big East on January 10, 2021, 05:44:33 PM
Hard to understand how a professional football team like Bears can have so few offensive threats
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 10, 2021, 05:47:09 PM
The Saints stink. The Bears are likely not going to be the ones to make them pay for that.
Makes me want to root for Saints as a Packer fan. Bear fans gotta be pulling their hair out. Hard team to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 05:55:47 PM
You drop a TD pass ... you go offside on 4th down ... you don’t even think about trying to score at the end of the half ...

Bears aren’t good enough even if they don’t do that crud. But they did, and they’re effed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 06:03:43 PM
Hard to understand how a professional football team like Bears can have so few offensive threats

Cohen, Mooney, and now Miller all out.

Not that Miller is any good, but he’s better than whatever 6th string WR is out there.

Mooney hurts because Saints don’t have to worry about anybody going over the top of the defense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Big East on January 10, 2021, 06:12:19 PM
Cohen, Mooney, and now Miller all out.

Not that Miller is any good, but he’s better than whatever 6th string WR is out there.

Mooney hurts because Saints don’t have to worry about anybody going over the top of the defense.
Good points
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2021, 06:12:41 PM
Stickin' a glass rod up yo johnson and slammin' it wit a hammer has gotta hurt, aina?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: BLM on January 10, 2021, 06:13:30 PM
My God Sean Payton loves him some Taysom.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 06:20:39 PM
My God Sean Payton loves him some Taysom.

I’d argue Payton had gotten very little out of the talent he has had over the past decade plus.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2021, 06:23:41 PM
I’d argue Payton had gotten very little out of the talent he has had over the past decade plus.

I agree. He and McCarthy were way overrated. They were both lucky to have truly great QBs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
I’m sorry you guys had to sit through this garbage.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 06:25:57 PM
The improvement of Mitchell is so overblown. He was 3-3 in the last 6 weeks and the wins came against teams with a combined 11 wins and all 3 wins came against teams in bottom 6 defense and he also lost to the worst defense (Lions). I don’t know about other games but all his offense against the packers came in garbage time. Please don’t cut him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 06:28:18 PM
Mitch sucks but this game isn’t on him.

He was actually throwing some dimes earlier and the coaching staff just gave him zero chances.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
The improvement of Mitchell is so overblown. He was 3-3 in the last 6 weeks and the wins came against teams with a combined 11 wins and all 3 wins came against teams in bottom 6 defense and he also lost to the worst defense (Lions). I don’t know about other games but all his offense against the packers came in garbage time. Please don’t cut him.

He’s a free agent.

Also, you’re missing the point on why he was successful. Lazor didn’t call the plays last week, and judging by their approach today, he ain’t calling this game either. In spite of the competition that was faced, there was a stark contrast between Nagy and Lazor.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 06:31:38 PM
Mitch sucks but this game isn’t on him.

He was actually throwing some dimes earlier and the coaching staff just gave him zero chances.

I mean he didn’t lose the game by any means, but he’s not very good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2021, 06:34:53 PM
He’s a free agent.

Also, you’re missing the point on why he was successful. Lazor didn’t call the plays last week, and judging by their approach today, he ain’t calling this game either. In spite of the competition that was faced, there was a stark contrast between Nagy and Lazor.

100% this.it was so obvious it was Nagy’s play sheet last week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 06:42:07 PM
Sean Payton risking Brees and his offense for a totally meaningless TD is stupid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2021, 06:43:06 PM
Still in it!
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 10, 2021, 06:45:13 PM
Props to the Bears. Helluva goal line stand.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2021, 07:19:27 PM
#7 couldant even run back ta get da fook up, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2021, 07:24:47 PM
Aka washed up. Pitt shoulda drafted Love, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 10, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
Meaningless TD for the Bears at the end, but it was a great catch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on January 10, 2021, 07:49:56 PM
Go Browns!  This has been fun to watch so far :).  What a great start by the Browns.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: The Big East on January 10, 2021, 07:58:38 PM
Aka washed up. Pitt shoulda drafted Love, hey?
Steelers should bring in the back up. Might bring some much needed energy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
Packers at 3:30 Saturday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2021, 08:22:19 PM
Tomlin won’t be fired because it’s Pittsburgh, but he’s been unimpressive for a few years now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Packers at 3:30 Saturday.

I wish they would’ve put it in primetime. It’ll be the most competitive game next weekend in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on January 10, 2021, 08:57:57 PM
I wish they would’ve put it in primetime. It’ll be the most competitive game next weekend in my opinion.

Ravens/ bills?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Ravens/ bills?

Definitely in the discussion, I just am intrigued by this Rams/Packers the most. I believe it’s going to be a solid game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2021, 09:51:18 PM
Don’t know why Steelers punted there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 10, 2021, 09:56:17 PM
Tomlin won’t be fired because it’s Pittsburgh, but he’s been unimpressive for a few years now.

That decision to punt, absolutely should be fireable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
These are billion dollar companies, led by millionaire coaches that consistently make awful, awful, awful in game decisions.

I’ve joked on here that a team should simply hire a 14 year old Madden player to sit up in a booth and tell coaches what decisions to make.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2021, 11:13:26 PM
Sean Payton risking Brees and his offense for a totally meaningless TD is stupid.

He was trying to run the clock down but Numnuts Nagy decided to start calling timeouts down 3 scores with no offense and under 4 minutes. Wasn’t calling them as they moved down the field, literally waited for the Saints to get vanilla inside the red zone.  I bet he was the dude to steal the basketball as his opponent eased up and dribbled out the clock up 15.

And it’s not like he has some super aggressive nature, as we saw what he did to end the first half. He’s just such a putz

Can’t wait for Pace to get the ax, Nagy to stay, and god knows what they do at the QB position.  Probably trade for Glennon
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 11, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
I suspect the Browns' game plan involves sending Stefanski to the Chiefs' facility to cough on things(and maybe Mahomes', Hill's and Kelce's houses).

That was fun last night. Sad when a team is up 35-10 at the half and their fans are (rightly) thinking, "That's not enough...gotta put some more points on the board." We thoroughly enjoyed it at my house. It really has been fun watching these games with my kids...they have absolutely no memory of a time when the Browns were a competitive football team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 11, 2021, 12:27:22 PM
I suspect the Browns' game plan involves sending Stefanski to the Chiefs' facility to cough on things(and maybe Mahomes', Hill's and Kelce's houses).

That was fun last night. Sad when a team is up 35-10 at the half and their fans are (rightly) thinking, "That's not enough...gotta put some more points on the board." We thoroughly enjoyed it at my house. It really has been fun watching these games with my kids...they have absolutely no memory of a time when the Browns were a competitive football team.

I was texting during the game with one of my closest friends who is a diehard Browns fan.  And hes not so much a defeatist with PTSD, but just watched them this year.  Joe Woods, the Browns DC, had one of the most over the top passive "bend dont break" defensive mentalities ever this year.  And it was very apparent through the season, even before last night.  Browns routinely would get large leads, and then Woods dialed back any and all scheming and pressure to "not get beat".  This resulted in teams stringing together tons of drives and momentum to get them back into the game, especially combined with Stefanski's tendency to get insanely conservative with leads in the second half.   The Dallas game, the Tennessee game, a few others, featured the Browns jumping out to a lead and then turtling up and letting the opponent storm back.

Stefanski has done an incredible job this year in spite of it.  Last night was remarkable too in the second half cause Big Ben has no arm, yet they refused to dare him to go long and let him have everything underneath which made it far closer than it ever should.

Its funny, the Browns won their first playoff game in ages, have a actual bright future instead of fools gold...but they still probably should fire their DC
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 11, 2021, 12:45:24 PM
I was texting during the game with one of my closest friends who is a diehard Browns fan.  And hes not so much a defeatist with PTSD, but just watched them this year.  Joe Woods, the Browns DC, had one of the most over the top passive "bend dont break" defensive mentalities ever this year.  And it was very apparent through the season, even before last night.  Browns routinely would get large leads, and then Woods dialed back any and all scheming and pressure to "not get beat".  This resulted in teams stringing together tons of drives and momentum to get them back into the game, especially combined with Stefanski's tendency to get insanely conservative with leads in the second half.   The Dallas game, the Tennessee game, a few others, featured the Browns jumping out to a lead and then turtling up and letting the opponent storm back.

Stefanski has done an incredible job this year in spite of it.  Last night was remarkable too in the second half cause Big Ben has no arm, yet they refused to dare him to go long and let him have everything underneath which made it far closer than it ever should.

Its funny, the Browns won their first playoff game in ages, have a actual bright future instead of fools gold...but they still probably should fire their DC

Yes, they do play scared and it's maddening as a fan. I can't tell you how many times I've yelled at the TV when the Browns run the ball or throw a six yard pass on 3rd and 15. Hopefully they'll have some much-needed confidence next year and play a little more aggressively.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 11, 2021, 01:24:45 PM
Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2021, 01:36:11 PM
Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.

Welp, I guess those that said this won't be an issue for Pederson when next season rolls around were correct after all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 11, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
New potential Lions HC.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 11, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Welp, I guess those that said this won't be an issue for Pederson when next season rolls around were correct after all.


<sky point>
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2021, 01:47:04 PM
Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.

I was on the other side that said losing the locker room could mean losing his job. It was just an opinion and I still think it was a contributing factor, but I agree with you that it “may” not have been the biggest reason for the firing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
I was on the other side that said losing the locker room could mean losing his job. It was just an opinion and I still think it was a contributing factor, but I agree with you that it “may” not have been the biggest reason for the firing.

Jay Glazer seems to think so.

Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Pederson was safe heading Into that Week 17 game versus Washington. Lot can happen in a week
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2021, 02:42:35 PM
Jay Glazer seems to think so.

Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Pederson was safe heading Into that Week 17 game versus Washington. Lot can happen in a week

Hadn't seen that. Guess my original opinion was righter than I thought.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 11, 2021, 03:21:16 PM
Pederson fired today. I guess I was wrong about the impact that last game had. I’m not sure it was the deciding factor, but it sounded like he was on track to coming back before that game.

Jets expected to reach out to him considering their General Manager's previous relationship with Pederson in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2021, 03:44:27 PM
Jets expected to reach out to him considering their General Manager's previous relationship with Pederson in Philadelphia.

Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: copious1218 on January 11, 2021, 04:03:23 PM
Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?

As a Jets fan, this answer is a resounding NO for me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 11, 2021, 04:39:31 PM

Given the last couple years of steep regression from Carson Wentz, is Pederson the guy you want to develop a young QB, whether they draft one or stick with Darnold?

I'm not Philly fan so maybe someone can answer this for me. How much of Wentz's regression had to do with the injuries? ACL, back, concussions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 04:46:59 PM
Pederson lost the locker room. He had already lost Wentz (for better or worse). Some scoff at the “integrity of the game” angle, but I’ll bet it was a factor.

And then there’s the easily measurable stuff - 13-3 and SB champs in 2017 ... 9-7 and second round loss in 2018 ... 9-7 and first round loss in 2019 ... 4-11-1 embarrassment in 2020.

That’s not exactly a wonderful trend.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 11, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
Pederson lost the locker room. He had already lost Wentz (for better or worse). Some scoff at the “integrity of the game” angle, but I’ll bet it was a factor.

And then there’s the easily measurable stuff - 13-3 and SB champs in 2017 ... 9-7 and second round loss in 2018 ... 9-7 and first round loss in 2019 ... 4-11-1 embarrassment in 2020.

That’s not exactly a wonderful trend.

Where does it say he lost the locker room? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2021, 05:25:27 PM
Where does it say he lost the locker room?

Sometimes you have to accept the obvious.

Pulling Hurts, who may be the QB of the future (I'm not sold on that) to put in a guy who had no chance, didn't sit well with both offensive and defensive players who had played their hearts out.

A whole different story than when Nagy benched Trubisky and then benched Foles. Then it was obvious he did it for their exact opposite reason as Peterson. Nagy could still get fired (I doubt it), but it would strictly be based on the team's ineptitude and how they are at least as far from overtaking GB as they were 3 years ago.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2021, 06:37:49 PM
Where does it say he lost the locker room?

The players wrote a letter...
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 11, 2021, 06:47:16 PM
The players wrote a letter...

Had that been the case, Eagles ownership would've rewarded Pederson by giving him an extension with a massive buyout.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 11, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
The players wrote a letter...




Didant no da Hausers played four da Eagles, hey?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 07:23:45 PM
Where does it say he lost the locker room?

I said it. It's my opinion, based on numerous accounts I read. You're free to disagree. I'm thinking Lurie agrees, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Bill Belichick declines Presidential Medal of Freedom.

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1348790788046680067?s=10
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 11, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
The players wrote a letter...

Lol. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 12, 2021, 11:08:21 AM



Didant no da Hausers played four da Eagles, hey?

not since leaving MU
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 12, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.

It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2021, 03:19:10 PM
Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.

It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.


Do you think the problem is with Phillips or the McCaskey family?
Title: Re: 2020-21 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 12, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
Insert your own jokes, but I think Bears management literally has no idea what to do.

It’s ridiculous it’s mid Tuesday afternoon and they haven’t said a word.