2020-21 NFL Season

[MU82]

I guess Mahomes isn't invincible after all.

[wadesworld]

I guess Mahomes isn't invincible after all.

We'll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.

[The Sultan]

In retrospect, here is what the NFL should have done with its schedule.

Each team plays 15 games over 17 weeks.  No inter-conference games.  There are AFC only bye weeks in November and December.  Ditto the NFC.  Any games that need to be postponed are moved into those weeks.

Having an early bye week makes no sense.  What are the Packers going to do if they, or their opponent, has positives now?  The NFL didn't make any schedule adjustments and here we are...

Then they need to take a week off after the season and move into postseason bubbles in different locations a la MLB.  I don't know what they are going to do if they have positives during a playoff week.

[CreightonWarrior]

Sounds like Dan Quinn is finally on his way out.

[The Sultan]

Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.

[wadesworld]

Why would they not have put him on a stretcher and lifted him onto the cart? Or at the very least pull the cart right up next to Dak? Having had a pretty ugly ankle injury in middle school, I can't imagine them handling that any worse. It's obviously excruciating no matter what, but any movement is going to be an absurd amount of added pain. Trying to hold his leg while he hops 10-15 feet over to the cart? What?

[forgetful]

Ugh. I hope Dak will be able to recover from that.

This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.

[Lennys Tap]

Anywhere I can place a bet on the Chiefs going 19-0?

12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.

[wadesworld]

12 days ago you could have. Now you can bet on them going 18-1.

Where?

[MU82]

We'll see.  He lost a pretty meaningless regular season football game.  Nobody has said he would never lose another game in his career.

Totally agree. I was being goofy. If I had to bet today, I'd bet on them to win it all again.

Meanwhile ...

Panthers better without McCaffrey?

[Lennys Tap]

Where?

Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can't find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.

[wadesworld]

Las Vegas.

Draft Kings sports book would have given you 25-1 odds before the season started. 3 weeks in (when you wanted to make the bet) my guess is you could have gotten around 18-1. If you can't find the actual prop bet, play a 14 team open parlay and take the Chiefs vs the money line every week through the Super Bowl.

Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight's game and tomorrow night's game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.

[Lennys Tap]

Never used Draftkings. As far as I can see on their site, they only have game lines for tonight's game and tomorrow night's game. Only futures I can find on KC are their Division and Conference winner odds.

The Draft Kings line was up before the season. Once the Season started they would either adjust the line or stop taking bets on the prop. Maybe the only way to play it now is with a book who will allow a big open ended parlay.

[forgetful]

The Vikings, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.

[MU82]

If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.

[JWags85]

If I'm the Vikings, I kick the FG and take the 8-point lead. Then you can't lose the game in regulation.

The "sheet" says go for it, though. So it's hard to blame Zimmer doing what he's "supposed" to do.

Russell Wilson ... wow. I don't know if he's frontrunner for MVP or not, but did I hear right ... he's never received a single MVP vote in his entire career? If that's true, given all that he has accomplished, it's totally effen amazing.

I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He's the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that's your move at home in front of 80K fans when you're on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it's just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.

[MU82]

This is exactly why players should hold out in contract negotiations.

100%

[GooooMarquette]

Looks like the Vikings are trying to out-Lions the Lions.

[The Sultan]

I hate the way Zimmer coaches, and this was completely out of his style, and thus perfectly stupid.  He's the sort of dude that would LOVE to to win 14-0 with you having 2 possessions, one per half.  Hate watching it.

But to the play, maybe that's your move at home in front of 80K fans when you're on D, but on the road against an MVP candidate, it's just awful.  Loved the way it turned out. Though it was EXCRUCIATING to lose the over, which was dead all game, on a dropped 2 pt conversion after all of that.

I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.

[MU82]

I think you go for that every time.  They had the right call, it was blocked well, but the back just kinda ran into the line.  If he cuts, he gets it, and the game is over.

I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.

[cheebs09]

I wasn't jumping up and down and screaming at the TV. I just texted my son and said, "I'd be kicking the field goal."

But I don't think it's a "go for it every time" situation, either, because all kinds of bad things can happen ... including the back running into the line, and then a future HOF QB in the prime of his career taking his team downfield with 2 minutes remaining, a time-out in his pocket, and not even needing an extra point to win.

Of course, in wet conditions, bad things can happen on even a short FG attempt, too, I fully recognize that. And then there's the old, "If you can't gain less than a yard when you need to, you don't deserve to win." Over the years, that thinking has helped -- and hurt -- numerous teams.

Collinsworth said he would kick the FG but then kinda fudged because he didn't want it to seem he was ripping Zimmer.

One other aspect is Matthison was killing them on the ground. He had a gaping hole but missed it.  Kicking the FG gives Seattle 20 yards of field position with a touchback and them needing a TD anyways. Then you get into OT with Seattle who have played a much better second half.

Maybe I'm scarred by the Packers giving up so many tying/losing touchdowns at the end of games, but I think going for it was the right call. Russ just showed why he's a top flight QB. Going for it was the only way to have the chance of him not touching the ball again.

[The Sultan]

Part of this is the culture that decries risk-adverse coaches.  But of course we then criticize them when the risky move doesn't work out.

[BM1090]

It was the right decision, IMO. Game over if you can get a yard. Seahawks have a chance if a FG is attempted, make or miss. End the game when you get a chance. Unfortunately the RB just missed the hole.

[MU82]

Again, I'm saying what I would have done. I fully understand the rationale for going for it. You make the foot, you win the game. It's understandable.

[Lennys Tap]

Math says go for it.
Math is science.
Therefore science says go for it.

People who kick the field goal are science deniers.