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ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: JWags85 on March 09, 2021, 08:46:59 PM
USA Today's most recent mock had a bevy of trades.  Seahawks trading Wilson to the Jets and moving up to #2.  Texans trading Watson to Miami for Tua and picks....and then Bears trading with the Giants to move up to 11 to get Mac Jones.  Which is probably the most Bears prediction actually.   Trade up and forfeit draft capital needed to shore up various holes in the roster...for a QB not in the establish top 4 projected as top 10 picks and who may be around late in the first if not later.

I'd the Bears can fucc up in the draft, they will.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Hards Alumni

Chiefs had to release both of their OTs and saved $18 million.

cheebs09

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 12, 2021, 06:17:38 AM
Chiefs had to release both of their OTs and saved $18 million.

Interesting move based on how the Super Bowl went down.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 12, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
Interesting move based on how the Super Bowl went down.

I believe both were hurt and not playing... so yeah very interesting decision.

Herman Cain

Achilles and Back Injuries are tough to come back from. These two may be out the full season recovering so that is likely why they were cut. NFL is a pretty brutal place at times.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

Tom Brady signs contract extension and frees up cap space for the Bucs. Looks like they may be able to sign most of their own free agents
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

The Sultan

NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap.  Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Herman Cain

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2021, 06:34:25 AM
NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap.  Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.
Sounds like Packers are not going to make any noise. 
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/3/12/22324024/free-agency-predictions-packers-will-sign-some-cap-casualties-but-sit-out-silly-season
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

forgetful

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 13, 2021, 07:27:43 AM
Sounds like Packers are not going to make any noise. 
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/3/12/22324024/free-agency-predictions-packers-will-sign-some-cap-casualties-but-sit-out-silly-season

Unless Rodgers restructures his contract, they really don't have the cap space to do much. They are still over the cap.

Even then, they might prefer to save that cap space in case Jones wants to resign.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2021, 06:34:25 AM
NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap.  Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.

They've just moved to a debt model.  Mortgaging your future for the current... which makes sense.  CEOs do this all the time.  Short term profits over long term sustainability.  GMs are beholden to the Owners the same way that CEOs are beholden to their stock holders.  If they screw up and get fired, oh well, its the new guy's problem.

The Sultan

In the NFL it makes sense.  Push everything out until your quarterback leaves or retires, then get rid of all your big contracts, take the cap hit, and get some good draft picks in the process.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

GB cuts Tim Boyle.  Obviously a $$$ move as they would have had to offer him $2+ mil.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: Jockey on March 13, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
GB cuts Tim Boyle.  Obviously a $$$ move as they would have had to offer him $2+ mil.

*Non-tendered

MU82

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2021, 06:34:25 AM
NFL GMs have gotten so much better at managing the cap.  Some of these breathless reports about being over the cap don't really mean the same thing as they did 10-15 years ago.

Agree. But it's not just GMs. I'm quite sure every franchise has a "cap specialist" now, as well as other financial experts. The GM says, "I want Player X, can we figure out a way to get him?" And the cap specialists work their magic. Undoubtedly, some GMs have gotten good at much of the cap stuff themselves, but pretty much all of them get help.

But yes, for some franchises, dealing with the cap used to be a royal cluster.
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Jockey

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 13, 2021, 11:45:08 AM
*Non-tendered

Right. Amounts to the same thing. They would have had to offer $2.1 mil  - and that ain't happening with the lower salary cap when they plan on Love being #2 this year.

Herman Cain

This was an interesting article  about the past season written by Leonard Fournette.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/leonard-fournette-nfl-football-tampa-bay-buccaneers
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Jockey

The "sit this one out" Packers - according to Scoop - re-sign Jones for 4 years.

Dish

Anytime you're up against the cap and you want to overpay you're running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.

Jockey

Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
Anytime you're up against the cap and you want to overpay you're running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.

Your point is well taken, but I think this is a great signing for a couple reasons.

One, you need (at least) two good RBs - both in individual games and over the course of a long year. If they are complimentary, that is even better. I expect they will draft a 3rd in the late rounds.

Second, GB's offense is built off of the run and play action passing. That will continue to be the case now.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
Anytime you're up against the cap and you want to overpay you're running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.

They got an amazing deal for him, but I hate signing RBs.

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

CreightonWarrior

Personally happy to have AJ back. Love his talent and his attitude and the packers have never really overused him.

hairy worthen

Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
Anytime you're up against the cap and you want to overpay you're running back (when you could have tagged him for far less money), a year after drafting a RB in the second round...you got to do it.
Packers rarely franchise anyone. They got Jones for below market value on a team friendly contract.

Typically Packers dont pay running backs either, but Jones is such a dynamic important part of what they do. Dillon's is a good thunder to Jones lightening, they dont do the same things. Losing Jones would have been a big hit to the offense.

Dish

I'll wait on the final Jones contract details, but I have a very difficult time understanding why they just didn't franchise him. His cap hit is going to have to be $6 mil or below in 2021 for this to make sense. Packers are going to end up eating Jones dead money eventually while trying to figure out what to pay Dillon.

My guess is Jones gets $19 million in cash in 2021, $6 mil cap hit this year, next year a $14 mil cap hit. Voidable years will have a dead money conversion of $10 million.

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