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Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 17, 2021, 02:25:23 PM
The Chicago vs Suburbs Civil War is at Gettysburg level already, and this news just broke like 45 minutes ago.

I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.

Leverage

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
I know I posted the GIF above and all, but there are still a LOT of obstacles to this happening, biggest of all being who the heck is going to pay for it. The Bears don't have the money, and neither does the state (and if it did, the Chicago delegation wouldn't give the Bears money to move out of town anyways). Arlington Heights will create an amusement/ticket tax to pitch in, but that would be a drop in the bucket.
Unless selling a majority stake is in the McCaskeys' plans, this is far from #donedeal territory.

This deal would significantly increase the value of the team when selling.

Pakuni

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 17, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
This deal would significantly increase the value of the team when selling.

Depends on the deal.
Rumor is Pat Ryan and Andy McKenna - who together own about 20% of the team - are driving the bus on this, and it may be part of a larger effort to get a controlling stake from the McCaskeys. While the McCaskeys don't have the wealth/wherewithal to make a stadium happen, Ryan does.

Dish

Couple of things I find interesting (may only be interesting to me)...

-This was not a Friday news dump, this was very public news (on purpose)
-The rumor has been out there, but the formal statement didn't get leaked, the Bears put it out there
-They probably could have formed some type of shell company to keep their identity unknown and put a bid in on the land (I honestly don't think the family is sly enough to have pulled that off anyway)
-There's zero chance that George didn't run this past the NFL league office first...
-...is an AFC team (current or expansion) going to jump in here for some type of 50/50 split?

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2021, 03:32:32 PM
Depends on the deal.
Rumor is Pat Ryan and Andy McKenna - who together own about 20% of the team - are driving the bus on this, and it may be part of a larger effort to get a controlling stake from the McCaskeys. While the McCaskeys don't have the wealth/wherewithal to make a stadium happen, Ryan does.

I find it kind of hilarious that the McCaskey's sale of the Bears hinging on the presumed passing of a 98 year old Virginia McCaskey and the power players and money behind anything new are an 84 year old Pat Ryan and a 91 year old Andy McKenna.

jesmu84

Wherever the Bears end up, I'm positive there will be a TON of corruption and bribery surrounding the whole thing because Chi/IL politics.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on June 17, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
I find it kind of hilarious that the McCaskey's sale of the Bears hinging on the presumed passing of a 98 year old Virginia McCaskey and the power players and money behind anything new are an 84 year old Pat Ryan and a 91 year old Andy McKenna.

It's the Bears.  ::)

MU82

Hopefully this comment doesn't come back to haunt me, but ...

Panthers top draft pick Jaycee Horn is getting rave reviews, being compared to Jalen Ramsey for his coverage skills, size and closing ability.

My team so desperately needs a great (or even good) CB ... fingers crossed!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


Herman Cain

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Jockey


Pakuni

Raiders DE Carl Nassib came out as gay today. He's the first active NFL player to come out.

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2021, 04:58:45 PM
Raiders DE Carl Nassib came out as gay today. He's the first active NFL player to come out.

It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on June 21, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.

Well, a few Scoopers might react like this, but we'll see.

This took a tremendous amount of courage on Nassib's part, and it was nice to see both the NFL and the Raiders immediately give him public support:

From the NYT:

In a statement Monday, Comissioner Roger Goodell  said he was "proud of Carl for courageously sharing his truth today. Representation matters. We share his hope that someday soon statements like his will no longer be newsworthy as we march toward full equality for the LGBTQ+ community. We wish Carl the best of luck this coming season."

The Raiders quickly showed their support for Nassib's announcement, writing "proud of you, Carl" in a post to the team's Twitter account that also included his original statement.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/21/sports/football/carl-nassib-gay-nfl.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210621&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=61329&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

GB Warrior

Think it's hugely important that players in the Raiders locker room come out in vocal support. This is where the change really happens. Important to have the NFL and organization behind him, but the players and NFLPA will have the most pivotal role

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Jockey on June 21, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
It's kinda nice that we see something like this and just move on. No big deal anymore.

I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it's still a pretty big deal. We'll all celebrate when it's a non story.

Jockey

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2021, 09:47:34 PM
I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it's still a pretty big deal. We'll all celebrate when it's a non story.


I was referring to my own reaction, Lenny. I understand the media is gonna make a bigger deal out of it because it is a "first". Hopefully, the next time a guy (or a woman) comes out, it will be a ho-hum reaction.

JWags85

Quote from: Jockey on June 21, 2021, 09:52:43 PM

I was referring to my own reaction, Lenny. I understand the media is gonna make a bigger deal out of it because it is a "first". Hopefully, the next time a guy (or a woman) comes out, it will be a ho-hum reaction.

See I actually think the media making a big deal out of it is important and necessary.  Cause as mentioned above, it took a massive amount of courage and confidence to be the forerunner.  Nassib himself even said in his statement, "hopefully we get to a place where announcements like this are unnecessary".  But until we do, and until there are a number of similar stories across the NFL, much less the rest of pro sports, drawing positive media attention and praise is important IMO.

It's only notable because, with demographic statistics alone, we know there are tens more like him, if not likely over 100.  But it's taken so long for one to speak out.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2021, 09:58:27 PM
See I actually think the media making a big deal out of it is important and necessary.  Cause as mentioned above, it took a massive amount of courage and confidence to be the forerunner.  Nassib himself even said in his statement, "hopefully we get to a place where announcements like this are unnecessary".  But until we do, and until there are a number of similar stories across the NFL, much less the rest of pro sports, drawing positive media attention and praise is important IMO.

It's only notable because, with demographic statistics alone, we know there are tens more like him, if not likely over 100.  But it's taken so long for one to speak out.

I certainly don't disagree with you, Wags.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2021, 09:47:34 PM
I think the reactions so far indicate how far society has come on this issue - but it's still a pretty big deal. We'll all celebrate when it's a non story.

yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.

felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on June 22, 2021, 09:21:10 PM
yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.


You can be our resident expert on The View.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

#2924
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on June 22, 2021, 09:21:10 PM
yes, most people, except joe ee harhar on the view...holy cow she needs some training.

do you expect anybody to come to her defense? i have never seen her for 3 seconds.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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