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The Sultan

#2875
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 13, 2021, 02:57:56 AM
Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?

The Packers benefit from not having him count against the cap in any way this year, which they would even with a trade.  Furthermore the Packers will be trading him for picks in next year's draft.  The thought is you can get a much better deal after the season is over when you know exactly who will be in the market for a quarterback, and where those picks actually are.  For instance, if you trade him to the Raiders today, a case could be made that their #1 pick will be anywhere from #8 to #20.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

hairy worthen

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 13, 2021, 02:57:56 AM
Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
My logical self says yup you are correct. My vindicative self says make his ass squirm and make him sit out. 

I dont think there will be much difference in compensation after the season and they will know who holds the best draft picks. The problem to me is the distraction. I really cant see Rodgers sitting out. He will try to come back at some point, in which case Gutey should use the old, train has left the station, line and sit Rodgers on the bench. It wouldn't happen, but I would love to see that especially if Love looks the part.

The Sultan

The compromise that Peter King posted is that he comes back this year with a promise to trade him to an agreed upon list of teams in the off-season.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

hairy worthen

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2021, 07:15:03 AM
The compromise that Peter King posted is that he comes back this year with a promise to trade him to an agreed upon list of teams in the off-season.

Bad idea

HutchwasClutch

James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he'll be at training camp.  That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I'm not going with what I want to hear and believe either. 

It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he's one of the highest paid players in the league.  Real easy during June OTA's.  Let's see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren't coming in. He'll probably take this into training camp and report finally. 

HutchwasClutch


The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

hairy worthen

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 13, 2021, 07:45:13 AM
James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he'll be at training camp.  That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I'm not going with what I want to hear and believe either. 

It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he's one of the highest paid players in the league.  Real easy during June OTA's.  Let's see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren't coming in. He'll probably take this into training camp and report finally.
That's my guess too. They will announce some bs agreement so everyone saves face and go on from there.

hairy worthen

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2021, 07:51:21 AM
I tend to agree.
I guess I get it on the surface, but something like that wont work on different levels

The Sultan

Quote from: hairy worthen on June 13, 2021, 07:52:18 AM
That's my guess too. They will announce some bs agreement so everyone saves face and go on from there.


IMO at best Rodgers has one more year in a Packer uniform.  I think the Packers are going to sell reasonably high.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Herman Cain

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 13, 2021, 02:57:56 AM
Stupid on the Pack's part. His trade value drops significantly in a year after sitting out. Act like business men and get what you can now. Don't make it personal, aina?
One of my old stock market friends, a guy named Doug Kass, always told me "Never be ashamed to ring the register"
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Jockey

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 13, 2021, 07:45:13 AM
James Jones has had recent direct interaction with Rodgers and said he'll be at training camp.  That holds way more weight than anything the media is speculating about. And I'm not going with what I want to hear and believe either. 

It also has never made sense that Rodgers will forfeit millions of dollars and a whole seasons salary when he's one of the highest paid players in the league.  Real easy during June OTA's.  Let's see how principled his beefs with the Packers are when the regular season starts and his giant checks aren't coming in. He'll probably take this into training camp and report finally.

You make a great point. When someone from A. A. Ron's inner circle speaks, it carries almost the same weight as when Rodgers speaks. These guys have Rodgers' trust and they aren't going to jeopardize that by speaking out of turn.

I haven't seen Jones' remarks, but if he said Rodgers will be at TC, I'd bank on it.

Dish

The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They'd have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.

Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.

Herman Cain

Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 13, 2021, 12:55:26 PM
The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They'd have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.

Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.
The Lions effectively used this tactic by trading Matt Stafford before the draft. Seem to have gotten a   good deal potentially very good if Jarrod Goff turns out to be a quality starter.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 13, 2021, 12:55:26 PM
The time to trade Rodgers ideally was on draft night. They'd have gotten 90 cents on the dollar then, trading him between now and the in season trade deadline would fetch probably 75 cents on the dollar. After the season, probably 85 cents.

Biggest eff you Rodgers can give the Packers is to show up the Wednesday of Week 1 or anytime there after.

It not only wasn't ideal to trade him during the draft, it would have been insane to do it then or anytime pre June 2 - an almost 40 million salary cap hit and dead money the rest of the league year. 

The Sultan

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 13, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
It not only wasn't ideal to trade him during the draft, it would have been insane to do it then or anytime pre June 2 - an almost 40 million salary cap hit and dead money the rest of the league year. 


Right. But absent that dish is right. But it is completely understandable why they don't trade him now versus after the season.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

12 is playing both sides of the fence.  His agent is leaking to the media and he's leaking to his friends (Jones, Kuhn).  He is many things but stupid isn't one of them.  By having Jones "speak" for him, he can have his agent do the dirty work in spilling to the media his desire to get out and pressure the Packers.  That isn't working at the moment so he can still save face and show up at some point and say something along the lines of "fake news" and half the fan base will eat it up since they blame the media when they clog their toilets.  He wants out.  It's isn't working so far and he's covering all angles.
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 14, 2021, 06:17:54 AM
12 is playing both sides of the fence.  His agent is leaking to the media and he's leaking to his friends (Jones, Kuhn).  He is many things but stupid isn't one of them.  By having Jones "speak" for him, he can have his agent do the dirty work in spilling to the media his desire to get out and pressure the Packers.  That isn't working at the moment so he can still save face and show up at some point and say something along the lines of "fake news" and half the fan base will eat it up since they blame the media when they clog their toilets.  He wants out.  It's isn't working so far and he's covering all angles.

Spoken like a member of the Scoop media. You're the reason Rodgers is leaving. Or not leaving.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MU82

No laughing matter: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix has tried out for the Panthers.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

#2895
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 15, 2021, 07:32:59 AM
Just a smoe, aina?

If Khris Middleton is "just a smoe" for the Bucks, then Ha Ha is nowhere close to being "not even worthy of smoe status," nu?

Oh, and BTW, the word is "schmoe."

As in: "Only a schmoe would try to act clever by using another language without knowing how to spell the words he uses."
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

GB Warrior

Quote from: MU82 on June 15, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
If Khris Middleton is "just a smoe" for the Bucks, then Ha Ha is nowhere close to being "not even worthy of smoe status," nu?

Oh, and BTW, the word is "schmoe."

As in: "Only a schmoe would try to act clever by using another language without knowing how to spell the words he uses."


Pakuni


Dish

Quote from: DegenerateDish on May 02, 2021, 03:55:00 PM
With all the other stuff going on, I'm convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.

Yup...

Dish

The Chicago vs Suburbs Civil War is at Gettysburg level already, and this news just broke like 45 minutes ago.

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